farg YOU ANDY!!
THANKS FOR ALMOST GETTING MCNABB MURDERED OUT THERE YA JERK!
Quote from: Avenger on October 09, 2005, 07:16:48 PM
farg YOU ANDY!!
THANKS FOR ALMOST GETTING MCNABB MURDERED OUT THERE YA JERK!
I second that.
It's weird how not playing effective defense and calling passing plays one million percent of the time will lose games.
You actually need someone to block.
i wonder if westy will talk contract during the post game interviews.
I'm not going to go that far, but can the Eagles actually look like they are ready to play the game after opening kick off?
That last few games we've seen the Defense play like total shtein in the first half. What the heck is up with that!!
The offense doesn't seem to get off the bench most games till the 3rd or 4th quarter.
Special teams are playing like ass outside of the kicking game. Fumbles, bad returns, and miss tackles oh my!!
Is the team just tired or something?
Worst game since McNabb became the starter.
1) Cowboys O must have come in with something completely different than expected. I've never seen a Jimmy J Defense look so baffled.
2) Special teams have sucked all year - any thoughts as to why?
3) Andy Reid is not only stubbon, but spiteful. He won't run the ball because he wants to prove to the press that he is in charge.
4) AR is one of the best GMs in the game, and the absolute best GM who is a coach. He makes innovative game plans that exploit matchups. But AR is the WORST game-day head coach in the league.
5) Sometimes a player just isn't on his game - sometimes you have to bench him and give your team a chance to win. McNabb needed to be benched today.
C
We lost the game. :boom
On to the bye week.
Then play again- hopefully much better.
I don't like our chances against the bye.
2 whole weeks to sit on this ish? :boom
Emotions aside is this worse than the Colts loss in 02? Steelers last year?
Quote from: Don Ho on October 09, 2005, 07:29:01 PM
Emotions aside is this worse than the Colts loss in 02? Steelers last year?
Without a doubt
Quote from: Don Ho on October 09, 2005, 07:29:01 PM
Emotions aside is this worse than the Colts loss in 02? Steelers last year?
This one blows them out of the water.
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 09, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
2 whole weeks to sit on this ish? :boom
What I hope is that Reid and the Eagles' players and coaches sit on it. Let it eat at them. Get FREAKING READY for the game against the Chargers. Because if we play like we did today, the Chargers will score 50+.
Are the Eagles good enough to win? Yes. But not when they play like they did today.
I hope that they practice every freaking day during the bye week.
Quote from: Cerevant on October 09, 2005, 07:23:19 PM
Worst game since McNabb became the starter.
1) Cowboys O must have come in with something completely different than expected. I've never seen a Jimmy J Defense look so baffled.
2) Special teams have sucked all year - any thoughts as to why?
3) Andy Reid is not only stubbon, but spiteful. He won't run the ball because he wants to prove to the press that he is in charge.
4) AR is one of the best GMs in the game, and the absolute best GM who is a coach. He makes innovative game plans that exploit matchups. But AR is the WORST game-day head coach in the league.
5) Sometimes a player just isn't on his game - sometimes you have to bench him and give your team a chance to win. McNabb needed to be benched today.
C
1.Agreed,Sean Payton called a good game and Bledsoe dropped balls in like Roger Staubach
2.Special teams have been brutal.Personally I think talented players can play special teams well(ex. Trotter)There just is't the talent depth.
3.stubborn -yes but spiteful for that reason is far fetched.The Eagles were down early.
4.JJ didn't exactly pass the test today either.
5.don't you mean lito
i love how people in this town blame the coach when the team plays like ass. Sure they deserve some blame, but the players on the field deserve more. Every last one of em was awful.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 09, 2005, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on October 09, 2005, 07:29:01 PM
Emotions aside is this worse than the Colts loss in 02? Steelers last year?
Without a doubt
Do you recall what our total yards were in the Steeler game? time of possesion? I thought Pittsburgh shut it off in the second half. That score could have been a lot worse.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 09, 2005, 07:31:09 PM
I hope that they practice every freaking day during the bye week.
And how, I hope Ried runs them into the ground.
the sky is falling, the sky is falling....
just calm down, they have one of these every year.
I hope TO and his indifferent ass get cut this week. I hate him.
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2005, 07:32:12 PM
i love how people in this town blame the coach when the team plays like ass. Sure they deserve some blame, but the players on the field deserve more. Every last one of em was awful.
I agree, but having McNabb still out there when he looked to have to be in the shotgun because he couldn't have done the five step drop was a little out of hand.
The whole team sucked ass.
Bledsoe wasn't sacked once, hardly even pressured.
Quote from: shorebird on October 09, 2005, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2005, 07:32:12 PM
i love how people in this town blame the coach when the team plays like ass. Sure they deserve some blame, but the players on the field deserve more. Every last one of em was awful.
I agree, but having McNabb still out there when he looked to have to be in the shotgun because he couldn't have done the five step drop was a little out of hand.
wouldnt have a made a difference between a win and a loss. the team sucked ass. the coaches sucked ass. but you can win games with crappy coaching, its happened before. teams dont tend to win games when the entire team plays like total ass.
AR gave them the week off :-D :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 09, 2005, 07:34:54 PM
the sky is falling, the sky is falling....
just calm down, they have one of these every year.
Two, usually. AFC and NFC each get one.
Quote from: shorebird on October 09, 2005, 07:36:30 PM
Bledsoe wasn't sacked once, hardly even pressured.
Keyshawn got closer to him on the sidelines than our D did all game.
Quote from: shorebird on October 09, 2005, 07:36:30 PM
Bledsoe wasn't sacked once, hardly even pressured.
Far and away the most disappointing part of the game. This defensive front has been manhandled.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 09, 2005, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: shorebird on October 09, 2005, 07:36:30 PM
Bledsoe wasn't sacked once, hardly even pressured.
Keyshawn got closer to him on the sidelines than our D did all game.
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Have there been any sacks since Darwin went down?
Quote from: General_Failure on October 09, 2005, 07:37:54 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 09, 2005, 07:34:54 PM
the sky is falling, the sky is falling....
just calm down, they have one of these every year.
Well the NFC got 2 this year.
Two, usually. AFC and NFC each get one.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 09, 2005, 07:38:55 PM
Have there been any sacks since Darwin went down?
Kearse got one last week.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 09, 2005, 07:38:28 PM
Quote from: shorebird on October 09, 2005, 07:36:30 PM
Bledsoe wasn't sacked once, hardly even pressured.
Far and away the most disappointing part of the game. This defensive front has been manhandled.
Not to mention that Dallas ran over them like a flattened Coke can.
Payton's has good success calling plays vs. JJ's defense. He may be Reid's John Fox.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 09, 2005, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 09, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
2 whole weeks to sit on this ish? :boom
What I hope is that Reid and the Eagles' players and coaches sit on it. Let it eat at them. Get FREAKING READY for the game against the Chargers. Because if we play like we did today, the Chargers will score 50+.
Are the Eagles good enough to win? Yes. But not when they play like they did today.
I hope that they practice every freaking day during the bye week.
Screw AR and the Eagles... I'm talking about ME! :boom
No comment.
We have one of these every year.
I'm too pissed right now.
I feel disrespected.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 07:53:55 PM
No comment.
We have one of these every year.
I'm too pissed right now.
i thought the one of these was week 1.
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2005, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 07:53:55 PM
No comment.
We have one of these every year.
I'm too pissed right now.
i thought the one of these was week 1.
Week 1 = regular loss
Today = Indy in 2002 ; Pittsburgh in 2004
You couldn't pay me enough money to listen to WIP tomorrow. (Not that I listen to it anyway, but this game is like WIP hitting the MegaMillions)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 07:57:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2005, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 07:53:55 PM
No comment.
We have one of these every year.
I'm too pissed right now.
i thought the one of these was week 1.
Week 1 = regular loss
Today = Indy in 2002 ; Pittsburgh in 2004
those were losses against 2 good teams....today wasn't.
there's going to be a lot of overreaction from this game (the defense sucks, McNabb is done, etc...)
however, one truley tangible thing to take from this blowout, and something that has been building the entire season: the special teams is not good and they need to correct the coverages and get someone who can flip the field position once in awhile. i was all for giving Wynn a chance early in the year, but he just can't get the job done.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 09, 2005, 07:34:54 PM
the sky is falling, the sky is falling....
just calm down, they have one of these every year.
true, but this game isn't really an isolated incident. they came out flat in game one agains the falcons and lost. they did show up and played a complete game against the awful 49ers, but then they came out uninspired against an average at best raiders team and barely held on to win. they didn't show up for the first half last week, but were able to pull it out - a great comeback that overshadowed some of the problems that were evident from the first half. and now we get this complete disaster of a game.
of course last year was the only year they actually made the super bowl and when they had the pittsburgh blow out, they had just won 7 straight games including 4 really convincing wins and had a 2 game lead and a tie breaker for the division and the game was against an afc opponent. this loss comes against a division opponent when they weren't leading the division and hadn't looked all that great to open the year.
the sky certainly isn't falling, but the way the Eagles have played so far this year, they look nothing like a Super Bowl team. the special teams have been a disaster, there is no running game, and McNabb is going to have to play the whole season hurt. there is plenty of time to get things rolling, they have the players to do it, and they've done it before, but don't kid yourself - this game wasn't some weird fluke let down game.
The overreaction is to be expected. That's why I am cooling off now before I start talking about the game.
It's never as bad as it seems and its never as good as it looks.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 09, 2005, 08:00:28 PM
there's going to be a lot of overreaction from this game (the defense sucks, McNabb is done, etc...)
however, one truley tangible thing to take from this blowout, and something that has been building the entire season: the special teams is not good and they need to correct the coverages and get someone who can flip the field position once in awhile. i was all for giving Wynn a chance early in the year, but he just can't get the job done.
Agreed
Quote from: PhillyFan on October 09, 2005, 08:01:03 PM
but don't kid yourself - this game wasn't some weird fluke let down game.
yes it was. why do people keep bringing up the Falcons and this game as similar games? the Falcons came out on fire, their entire offseason building to that moment, Trotter got tossed and the defense was left naked in the middle, and the Falcons are pretty good.
this game is totally different from the Falcons game, so to say that this is the second "letdown" game of the year is just not correct.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 08:01:46 PM
It's never as bad as it seems and its never as good as it looks.
Touche. A little Reidism. :)
I expect the PC to be similar. A lot of "We'll see"..."I've got to do a better job"..."Dallas did a heckuva job"..."We gotta get things tightened up here"
My biggest concern coming out of this game is McNabb. He had a terrible game, and whether he just had a bad day or it was all because of the abdomen remains to be seen. If he's going to start off slow every game then this is not good news at all. He may end up getting that surgery after all if these slow starts keep up. I just hope he's not going to have bad games like this often because of this abdomen injury.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 07:57:56 PMWeek 1 = regular loss
Today = Indy in 2002 ; Pittsburgh in 2004
Nah, aside from the playoffs, no loss hurts as much as a thorough whoopin by the Boys. Why? The cockroaches will be out in their jerseys tomorrow ...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 08:01:46 PM
The overreaction is to be expected. That's why I am cooling off now before I start talking about the game.
It's never as bad as it seems and its never as good as it looks.
Not to be overly 'me' about this, but I'll bet that when you look back on what happened in this game you will actually be MORE steamed about the team. This was a dismantling. Period. We got beat up and down in every aspect of the game. 'Cooling off' probably isn't going to help.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 09, 2005, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 08:01:46 PM
It's never as bad as it seems and its never as good as it looks.
Touche. A little Reidism. :)
I expect the PC to be similar. A lot of "We'll see"..."I've got to do a better job"..."Dallas did a heckuva job"..."We gotta get things tightened up here"
That's exactly what he said after the game. He used every one of those lines. Classic. :-D
Damnit it I missed it!
OK here are all the things that need immediate work:
1. Special teams. We got owned in all phases of it. We need better return coverage, and a better KR. Hood sucks, Wynn sucks, and the blocking sucks. Activate Moats or sign someone because this is an absolute joke.
2. Defensive pass rush was awful as usual. The most immobile QB wasn't even touched, with a mediocre offensive line at that. DISGRACE. Kearse.. you were the highest paid DE ever when you signed that deal. You aren't playing up to a quarter of that money. They dismantled us in every aspect of the defense. They ran all over us, they threw all over us. Multiple guys were open on every play. Worst defensive effort since the Colts loss at home a few years back.
3. Lito got torched. He's not as good as Sheldon, and he makes me nervous at times because he can get beat, but he was beat all day. Was Lito exposed or just a bad day? We'll see against the Chargers who have a good offense and decent receivers.
4. No protection for McNabb. No execution. No run game. McNabb was awful. He threw into the turf all day. He also overthew at times. Was it the abdomen acting up? Just a bad game because he was pressured? No one was getting open either. Pathetic effort.
5. Terrible coaching effort. The team looked unprepared, and not ready. They weren't focused, and Andy left McNabb in WAY too long. What are you thinking man? Terrible play calls. I remember it was like 3rd and 6 and he ran a screen to TO. WTF? :-D
Quote from: Avenger on October 09, 2005, 08:15:01 PM
OK here are all the things that need immediate work:
1. Special teams. We got owned in all phases of it. We need better return coverage, and a better KR. Hood sucks, Wynn sucks, and the blocking sucks. Activate Moats or sign someone because this is an absolute joke.
2. Defensive pass rush was awful as usual. The most immobile QB wasn't even touched, with a mediocre offensive line at that. DISGRACE. Kearse.. you were the highest paid DE ever when you signed that deal. You aren't playing up to a quarter of that money. They dismantled us in every aspect of the defense. They ran all over us, they threw all over us. Multiple guys were open on every play. Worst defensive effort since the Colts loss at home a few years back.
3. Lito got torched. He's not as good as Sheldon, and he makes me nervous at times because he can get beat, but he was beat all day. Was Lito exposed or just a bad day? We'll see against the Chargers who have a good offense and decent receivers.
4. No protection for McNabb. No execution. No run game. McNabb was awful. He threw into the turf all day. He also overthew at times. Was it the abdomen acting up? Just a bad game because he was pressured? No one was getting open either. Pathetic effort.
5. Terrible coaching effort. The team looked unprepared, and not ready. They weren't focused, and Andy left McNabb in WAY too long. What are you thinking man? Terrible play calls. I remember it was like 3rd and 6 and he ran a screen to TO. WTF? :-D
Translation... not one thing was positive. Offense, defense, speacial teams, coaching, playing, that pretty much covers it.
Quote from: mhunt on October 09, 2005, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 07:57:56 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2005, 07:54:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2005, 07:53:55 PM
No comment.
We have one of these every year.
I'm too pissed right now.
i thought the one of these was week 1.
Week 1 = regular loss
Today = Indy in 2002 ; Pittsburgh in 2004
those were losses against 2 good teams....today wasn't.
Either you are a Helen Keller and did not see or even hear the game today or you are simply:
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"Yeah, it was embarrassing. There is no other way to sugarcoat this loss.." - Spadaro
When Spads can't sugarcoat a game, you know it's bad.
There has to be some sort of change on the special teams. Their ineffectiveness is leading to these fast starts by the other teams--we've been behind 4 out of the 5 games.
Need to improve the coin toss calling too.
Quote from: Larry on October 09, 2005, 08:48:41 PM
There has to be some sort of change on the special teams. Their ineffectiveness is leading to these fast starts by the other teams--we've been behind 4 out of the 5 games.
Trade Wynn and a 4th round pick for Ike. Then get Urlacher and Kevin Johnson.
pathetic. no protection for McNabb always equals disaster. how can the o-line go from awesome last week to non-existent this week? is dallas that good? i think not. we'll see them at home again.
we need to come back from this game bigtime against the chargers. they need to come into the game pumped up and ready to go from the first kick-off. None of this oh we'll wait to the second half shtein. if not we are going to get destroyed by the chargers. they are a very good team with alot of offensive weapons.
Lito and Brown were exposed today badley. While Lito got burnt today more than anyone, I saw Brown give up the first touchdown and give up alot of other passes too. Dawkins and Lewis were nowhere. The D-line has serious issues. Was Bledsoe hurried more than 2 times the entire game?
This was a really disappointing game...they gave up and didn't even try in the second half. The coaches need a good ass reaming, especially JJ. I could barf repeatedley for the next few hours, but im not, because the team playing today doesn't deserve anything but a big farg you from me. :boo :boo :boo :boo :boo :boo :boom
Quote from: Larry on October 09, 2005, 08:48:41 PM
There has to be some sort of change on the special teams. Their ineffectiveness is leading to these fast starts by the other teams--we've been behind 4 out of the 5 games.
perhaps if they werent trying to win the salary cap war, and the "number of undrafted FA's and 7th round picks" war...they would have some talent in the backups and could put together a decent special teams package.
Quote from: Larry on October 09, 2005, 08:48:41 PM
There has to be some sort of change on the special teams. Their ineffectiveness is leading to these fast starts by the other teams--we've been behind 4 out of the 5 games.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
yea and then the defense just gets rolled over. what happened to the " New Mentality" of defense they were supposed to be performing. What a joke they were today. They couldn't stop anything. Super Bowl or bust!
Any word on Little John? If he's ok?
He's healthy, but he's come down with a terrible case of suck. It's believed he caught it from the defense.
The special teams are the sluts who have been spreading that shtein if you ask me. Which you did.
I asked no such question and you know it. Please stop thrusting your opinion into conversations.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 09, 2005, 09:05:31 PM
I asked no such question and you know it. Please stop thrusting your opinion into conversations.
Fat farging chance.
Quote from: Avenger on October 09, 2005, 07:16:48 PM
farg YOU ANDY!!
THANKS FOR ALMOST GETTING MCNABB MURDERED OUT THERE YA JERK!
suck it. if the defense hadn't given up a bajillion points, it would have been a different situation. take the good with the bad or just go away. it's early in the season.
If the defense hadn't given up a bajillion points. If the offense had scored any points. If the special teams hadn't put both the offense and defense in a hole to start every drive.
Excuse me while I jump on the WTF is up with our effing D bandwagon for a bit. I mean, I know that our D-line is in pretty bad shape right now and all but that problem is being seriously compounded by the players who aren't showing up on Sunday. On the interior we need Walker back in a major way and Rayburn has been a disappointment thus far. On the outside everybody should be reminded now of why ND Kalu shouldn't be considered a 3-down lineman by any standards. And I didn't come into this season thinking that I'd miss Derrick Burgess but then again I didn't think that McDougle would get his ass shot in a carjacking either. The rooks have been doing a decent job but 2/3 of them were too gimpy to help us today. At the LB position we're also weaker than I expected us to be because Jones is still up-and-down and Keith Adams is playing badly enough to be steadily losing playing time to Simoneau for farg's sake. In the secondary Lewis hasn't been having a great year so far and Lito's channeling Izell Jenkins a little to much for my liking, especially in today's outing which by the way has convinced me that it's past time for Matt Ware's candy ass to be cut.
Ultimately I hope that our D can bounce back once the line is more healthy providing that some of the above mentioned slackjaws can get their shtein together and start playing some football. We've got far too much talent to be looking like the Houston Texans out there, people, and I for one would like to see our D effing act like it for the rest of the season/postseason. >:(
That is all.
This defensive front has been manhandled.
jevon kearse is stealing money....what a friggin disgrace he is
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 09, 2005, 09:38:39 PM
This defensive front has been manhandled.
jevon kearse is stealing money....what a friggin disgrace he is
He had a great game last week, other than that he's been non-existent.
P_H
I brought up the Rayburn point a few weeks ago but figured it was still too early to judge him. But yeah, he's been awful. He's really playing straight up against the Offensive Lineman. What happened to shooting gaps like our D-line used to do. I think Michael Lewis hit the nail on the head, they overhyped themselves and need to come back down to earth.
Kearse needs somebody else out there getting pressure, maybe two to get one on one matchups once in a while.
Kearse doesn't get doubled enough for this kind of lack of production.
no doubt....nd is a joke....that doesnt excuse the freak tho...where are jj's blitz packages...andy is overrating his secondary...they are game tight..but i dont care how good they are if yous dont get up in the qb's grill then yous are gonna lose
I believe the big-time TE handicaps JJ's scheme...he's forced to help the SLB to cover up that mismatch.
Well it's a good thing there's no decent TEs in this division.
Quote from: Larry on October 09, 2005, 10:03:03 PM
I believe the big-time TE handicaps JJ's scheme...he's forced to help the SLB to cover up that mismatch.
That would be a rather glaring hole in a defensive scheme, don't you think?
When the special teams has the defense starting everydrive in their own half it has to take its toll.. The biggest difference between this day and last weeks comeback is field placement.. The def can only keep the team from driving 20 yards to fg range or 50 to td range so often.
Usually teams can start on the 30, give up 40 yards an still not worry about giving up points.. not this def.. Give up 20 yards and its guarenteed points.. now you are playing to allow only a fg and stop the TD, instead of playing to not give up points
Quote from: Mad-Lad on October 09, 2005, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Avenger on October 09, 2005, 07:16:48 PM
farg YOU ANDY!!
THANKS FOR ALMOST GETTING MCNABB MURDERED OUT THERE YA JERK!
suck it. if the defense hadn't given up a bajillion points, it would have been a different situation. take the good with the bad or just go away. it's early in the season.
The defense did give up a ton of points, so he shouldn't have been in the game. Your point is moot.
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2005, 07:32:12 PM
i love how people in this town blame the coach when the team plays like ass. Sure they deserve some blame, but the players on the field deserve more. Every last one of em was awful.
:yay THe Defense was AWFULL!! Our coverage blew.
Quote4) AR is one of the best GMs in the game, and the absolute best GM who is a coach. He makes innovative game plans that exploit matchups. But AR is the WORST game-day head coach in the league.
Mike Tice :sly
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 09, 2005, 09:48:26 PM
P_H
I brought up the Rayburn point a few weeks ago but figured it was still too early to judge him. But yeah, he's been awful. He's really playing straight up against the Offensive Lineman. What happened to shooting gaps like our D-line used to do. I think Michael Lewis hit the nail on the head, they overhyped themselves and need to come back down to earth.
Yeah, I remember that and he hasn't accounted for himself any better since then. Thing is, Rayburn isn't alone and that's what worries me. I liked what Mike Lewis had to say as far as that goes and such but until these guys grind down a good O or two they're shtein this year.
This team is also not tackling, Ware gives up a first on poor tackling, or at least a 4th and 1.. Lewis takes a bad route giving up an additional 5 yards....
Tackling wasn't even the issue today, unless you mean special teams. Can we tackle better? Sure, but guys were WIDE open, so most of their big plays weren't because of YAC.
Tackling wasn't even the issue today
not at all..covering and pass rushing was the game
I'm trashing the farging coach because I'm sick of his stubborn bullshtein "I have to do a better job putting my players in position to make plays". farg you fat butt, if every loss is your fault, why haven't we corrected the problem?
The piss poor pass protection is a direct relation to the fact that this offense is 100% predictable. When you pass 80+% of the time, it is real farging easy to scheme a pass rush. The poor bastiches are backing up all game, trying to fight off these guys who are pinning their ears back and coming hell-bent to pound our hobbled QB.
Ok, "pass to set up the run" and the "short pass is the running game" bullshtein - well, they did neither today. The reason for my game-day coaching comment is that instead of trying to get all the points back with farging home-run balls, this team should have been trying to control the ball with the short, high-percentage passing game - you know, the west coast offense instead of this farging run and shoot bullshtein. Control the ball, keep the D off the field. Pick up the farging slack for a change.
It looks like JJ might be getting a bit predictable too - it seems like every blitz was picked up and/or met with a screen going the other direction. Still, that doesn't change the fact that the front 4 was getting no pressure without the blitz, or that Lito was getting his ass torched.
Special teams just makes me stutter inchoerently. As has already been said, you can't give away the field position battle this way and expect to win.
C
Quote from: phillymic2000 on October 09, 2005, 10:09:35 PM
Quote4) AR is one of the best GMs in the game, and the absolute best GM who is a coach. He makes innovative game plans that exploit matchups. But AR is the WORST game-day head coach in the league.
Mike Tice :sly
Hm, you might have me there, but let me try to defend myself. On the continum of game-day coaching, you have:
Absolute best: can throw the entire game plan out the window and call plays that you didn't even practice, and even make a few up. (Belechick)
Absolute worst: must call every play, situation by situation, exactly as it is written on the game plan. (Reid)
I must admit, I'm not sure where calling random plays (Tice) or just making shtein up no matter how stupid it is (Martz) fits in this - I'll blame that on game planning. :P
This is the first time in a while that I thought the team gave up after the first quarter. Totally uncharacteristic of this team.
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I'd say bring back that gum chewing doofus Danny Smith, which is the last time our special teams looked so bad, but he actually has been a charter member of the good ol boys club since leaving. He's actually maintained continuous employment with the Lions, Bills, and now the taterskins since being fired here.
I watched the game at bobbyinlondon's house. I wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't invited back.
In fact, C, I remember in the 3rd quarter, it was stone silent in the stadium. Bledsoe audibles, and you could actually hear Trotter yell, "It's coming left, it's coming left." What happened? Run, off left guard, 15 yd gain. Are you farging kidding me? Trotter recognized the play correctly, and they still blew us up. Ridiculous.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 10, 2005, 09:11:41 AM
In fact, C, I remember in the 3rd quarter, it was stone silent in the stadium. Bledsoe audibles, and you could actually hear Trotter yell, "It's coming left, it's coming left." What happened? Run, off left guard, 15 yd gain. Are you farging kidding me? Trotter recognized the play correctly, and they still blew us up. Ridiculous.
I heard that.
That happened in the Super Bowl too on a screen pass. Trotter is screaming "screen left, screen left, screen left!! Mark, watch the screen!"
What happens? Pats run a screen to the left and Simoneau gets blown up.
I'm glad I was unable to watch this game.
WIP is bitching because TO wore a Michael Irvin jersey on the plane home...
Just showing that he, indeed, did get owned.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 10, 2005, 09:45:51 AM
WIP is bitching because TO wore a Michael Irvin jersey on the plane home...
I'm not surprised. I'm glad I'm not listening today.
But the Inky and DN people are making a big deal out of it too.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 10, 2005, 09:45:51 AM
WIP is bitching because TO wore a Michael Irvin jersey on the plane home...
Yeah that's what they should be worried about. Irvin shows T.O. the most luv in the media.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 10, 2005, 09:45:51 AM
WIP is bitching because TO wore a Michael Irvin jersey on the plane home...
I have a problem with this.I guess I have a hatred for that jersey and anyone wearing it.If the team had some hate in them yesterday it would have been different.This game was lost in the locker room.
I've completely lost faith in our defensive line, even Kearse. The only way I can trust them again if Kearse gets 4 sacks, Hollis Thomas gets a fumble recovery and a sack, and Mike Patterson gets an interception in the next two weeks....and that includes the bye.
The farg you AndyBrad... I mean post-game thread
Eckel sez: "Kearse was never good in the first place. Look at his sack numbers each year."
Who knew that we may have to depend on McDougle as the defensive savior. :-D :'(
Speaking of, is there a guesstimate (from the eagles) as to when he may return?
Quote from: Purple_Hayz on October 09, 2005, 09:29:26 PM
At the LB position we're also weaker than I expected us to be because Jones is still up-and-down and Keith Adams is playing badly enough to be steadily losing playing time to Simoneau for farg's sake.
I think Simoneau made a sacrifice to the overhead football deities - I haven't seen much of Simonizer hitting people and bouncing off this year.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 10, 2005, 11:35:23 AM
Eckel sez: "Kearse was never good in the first place. Look at his sack numbers each year."
Yeah, I have to admit, he's been voerrated since he's been on the Eagles. His sack numbers have been declining. Even though being a DE is mroe than sacks, he hasn't been putting on pressure either.
what did Eckel say the day they signed kearse.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 10, 2005, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 10, 2005, 09:11:41 AM
In fact, C, I remember in the 3rd quarter, it was stone silent in the stadium. Bledsoe audibles, and you could actually hear Trotter yell, "It's coming left, it's coming left." What happened? Run, off left guard, 15 yd gain. Are you farging kidding me? Trotter recognized the play correctly, and they still blew us up. Ridiculous.
I heard that.
That happened in the Super Bowl too on a screen pass. Trotter is screaming "screen left, screen left, screen left!! Mark, watch the screen!"
What happens? Pats run a screen to the left and Simoneau gets blown up.
You sure that wasn't Adams and not Simoneau? IIRC Sims was pretty gimped up and didn't play much in the latter half of last season. Either way the thing that stood out to me about those screens that NE was running was that they were just reading our D like a book. Whenever we tried to bring pressure they were able to run the play away from it and capitalize on their superior positioning. They just flat-out got more blockers out in front of the ball carrier than we had defenders.
Unfortunatley for us, that little problem has carried over to this season. The Chiefs exposed our weakness at the edges last week and Dallas took notes and exploited our inability to consistently contain the ball-carrier. With our D-line getting manhandled the way that it has been it often only takes one good block on an Eagles linebacker to make a big play so if I'm Sean Payton I want to attack the edges like crazy because I like matching a lineman or Whitten one-on-one with little 225 lb. Simoneau all day.
Quote from: Catapult on October 10, 2005, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: Purple_Hayz on October 09, 2005, 09:29:26 PM
At the LB position we're also weaker than I expected us to be because Jones is still up-and-down and Keith Adams is playing badly enough to be steadily losing playing time to Simoneau for farg's sake.
I think Simoneau made a sacrifice to the overhead football deities - I haven't seen much of Simonizer hitting people and bouncing off this year.
Actually, he happens to have a Keith Adams voodoo doll that he abuses pretty regularly. ;)
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on October 10, 2005, 10:59:32 AM
I've completely lost faith in our defensive line, even Kearse. The only way I can trust them again if Kearse gets 4 sacks, Hollis Thomas gets a fumble recovery and a sack, and Mike Patterson gets an interception in the next two weeks....and that includes the bye.
Mike Patterson has been playing damn good for a rookie.
Was Sean Payton the O-coordinator for the Giants during the Fassel era?
Yep.
Don't forget that at some point Fossil started calling the plays himself.
Didn't the G-men beat us 10 straight with him calling plays? I said years ago that guy has JJ's number. Hope he doesn't share the secret with anyone else.
One more gripe I have, why does it take so damned long to get the play in? Its like they're taking their time on purpose. I'm pretty sure they know there's a play clock so where's the problem? I'm so sick of seeing Donovan with that 'oh shtein' look on his face when he hurries to take a Timeout to avoid a delay of game.
Quote from: stillupfront on October 10, 2005, 10:02:24 PM
Didn't the G-men beat us 10 straight with him calling plays? I said years ago that guy has JJ's number. Hope he doesn't share the secret with anyone else.
Yes. Yes they did. :( We were eventually able to put the clamps on his style by laying off the blitzes and playing more basic football and I think Payton reminded JJ on Sunday of why that was a good idea.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 10, 2005, 10:15:33 PM
One more gripe I have, why does it take so damned long to get the play in? Its like they're taking their time on purpose. I'm pretty sure they know there's a play clock so where's the problem? I'm so sick of seeing Donovan with that 'oh shtein' look on his face when he hurries to take a Timeout to avoid a delay of game.
It's part of AR's gameplan. The patented first-drive-of-the-first-quarter timeout. It's a difference maker.
Could have used Corey Simon out there.
Nah, the defense was able to get run over just fine I thought.
Mike Patterson has been playing damn good for a rookie
key words...for a rookie...why is a rookie out there being depended on to start on a superbowl winning team...he is right smack in the middle of his learning curve and should be doing so behind simon walker and hollis...and he hasnt even hit the rookie wall yet...and at his size you can be guaranteed he will
but no get rid of your best lineman and on october 12 still be 12 mil under the cap...meanwhile kenyonta marshall is getting run...inexcusable
Oh good, this nonsense again. Simon never signed the tender, dipshtein.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2005, 01:27:29 PM
Mike Patterson has been playing damn good for a rookie
key words...for a rookie...why is a rookie out there being depended on to start on a superbowl winning team...
what, like Jamal Lewis for the Ravens in 2000? like Richard Seymour for the Pats in 2001? Or Ty Warren for the Pats in 2003? Or Vince Wilfork for the Pats in 2004?
MURP 6.5 Troll 1.5
jamal is a running back...no comparison to an undersized dt...furthermore jamal took eric rhetts place... couldnt get much worse than that
and theres no comparison btwn the eagles and the patriots...the patriots have proven to be genius like in plugging in almost anyone and still winning superbowls...the eagles have trouble even getting to superbowls
You get two points for that? I call shenanigans.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2005, 02:24:56 PM
jamal is a running back...no comparison to an undersized dt...furthermore jamal took eric rhetts place... couldnt get much worse than that
and theres no comparison btwn the eagles and the patriots...the patriots have proven to be genius like in plugging in almost anyone and still winning superbowls...the eagles have trouble even getting to superbowls
ha, i give you 4 examples in the past 5 seasons... 3 of which are DT's and thats the best excuse you can come up with.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 12, 2005, 02:25:17 PM
You get two points for that? I call shenanigans.
nah, I was at 5.5 for a previous victory. Igy just doesnt want to add any points to further distance himself. ;)
ha, i give you 4 examples in the past 5 seasons... 3 of which are DT's
you gave me a rb who replaced a guy that couldnt play anymore
and three patriots
if the eagles had won the superbowl last year then they get a pass for not improving or at the very least keeping the team as good...but they didnt...they were a pubic hair away...and what they did is weaken their roster...that is what is inexcusable
lol. whatever man. You couldnt believe that a rookie would be asked to play well on a SB team. You failed to realize that on many winning SB teams that there were rookies who contributed in a big way. You try and make up an excuse for every single situation but the Eagles. hilarious.
lol. whatever man. You couldnt believe that a rookie would be asked to play well on a SB team
no i didnt i was talking about the eagles THIS year and you started bring up the 2000 ravens and the complete history of the new england patriots...
what i said was how could the eagles be 12 mil under the cap and let their best dt go and replace him with an undersized rookie...ive yet to hear a legit answer for that one
I call shenanigans! I know this has been posted elsewhere on this board but I can't find the thread so anyway here's your legit answer:
2005 Tackles Asst Sacks Pass Def
Simon 9 6 0 2
Patterson 14 1 2 0
Yeah we sure miss Corey Simon there, yessirree. Wotta stud. :flipoff
Quote from: MURP on October 12, 2005, 02:40:29 PM
lol. whatever man. You couldnt believe that a rookie would be asked to play well on a SB team. You failed to realize that on many winning SB teams that there were rookies who contributed in a big way. You try and make up an excuse for every single situation but the Eagles. hilarious.
no rookies ever have played on a superbowl team. EVER!
rookies only speak when spoken to! damnit!!
I call shenanigans! I know this has been posted elsewhere on this board but I can't find the thread so anyway here's your legit answer:
2005 Tackles Asst Sacks Pass Def
Simon 9 6 0 2
Patterson 14 1 2 0
Yeah we sure miss Corey Simon there, yessirree.
lolol...geek
fyi sporto i never said get rid of patterson and keep simon so i have no idea why youd compare their stats
because it makes the kool-aid taste better.
i just want somebody to tell me that a rotation of Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn, Marshall is better than a rotation of Simon, Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2005, 04:24:38 PM
lolol...geek
fyi sporto i never said get rid of patterson and keep simon so i have no idea why youd compare their stats
No, what you
actually said that prompted my post was:
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2005, 03:57:08 PM
what i said was how could the eagles be 12 mil under the cap and let their best dt go and replace him with an undersized rookie...ive yet to hear a legit answer for that one
So I replied:
Quote from: Purple_Hayz on October 12, 2005, 04:05:33 PM
I call shenanigans! I know this has been posted elsewhere on this board but I can't find the thread so anyway here's your legit answer:
2005 Tackles Asst Sacks Pass Def
Simon 9 6 0 2
Patterson 14 1 2 0
Yeah we sure miss Corey Simon there, yessirree. Wotta stud. :flipoff
Reading comprehension is your friend. ;)
Hey! Let's all talk about something that happened 7 weeks ago!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 12, 2005, 04:37:14 PM
because it makes the kool-aid taste better.
i just want somebody to tell me that a rotation of Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn, Marshall is better than a rotation of Simon, Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn.
it's not
but Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn, Walker
could be
Quote from: rjs246 on October 12, 2005, 04:40:19 PM
Hey! Let's all talk about something that happened 7 weeks ago!
something that happened 7 weeks ago, but still has ramifications today.
It's over. We can't bring Simon back. farging move on.
i just want somebody to tell me that a rotation of Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn, Marshall is better than a rotation of Simon, Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn
simon is lazy fat piece of shtein blah blah blah
patterson> simon blah blah blah
anyone and everyone that needs to be extended...will be...before the end of the season blah blah blah
Quote from: Wingspan on October 12, 2005, 04:40:38 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 12, 2005, 04:37:14 PM
because it makes the kool-aid taste better.
i just want somebody to tell me that a rotation of Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn, Marshall is better than a rotation of Simon, Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn.
it's not
but Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn, Walker could be
so basically, you are saying Rayburn > Simon?
hasn't the date passed this season where contract extensions will go onto this year's cap?
Not yet, but <beatles> getting closer all the time </beatles>
something that happened 7 weeks ago, but still has ramifications today.
when kenyonta marshall is getting burn id say its more relevant than ever
Once again, slowly now:
Quote from: General_Failure on October 12, 2005, 01:40:33 PM
Oh good, this nonsense again. Simon never signed the tender, dipshtein.
Quote from: Purple_Hayz on October 12, 2005, 04:47:26 PM
Once again, slowly now:
Quote from: General_Failure on October 12, 2005, 01:40:33 PM
Oh good, this nonsense again. Simon never signed the tender, dipshtein.
Purple, don't defeat an argument with your irrelevant facts.
The Eagles kicked out Simon when he was begging to play for us!
He was doing everything he could to show his desire to play for the team, if you exclude the minor details of signing a contract, showing up for camp and practicing!
Jeebus! always taking the FO's side.
it was well known and widely accepted that Simon was going to report after the last preseason game, if you thought he was going to hold out the entire year you stink.
Quote from: methdeez on October 12, 2005, 04:49:52 PM
Quote from: Purple_Hayz on October 12, 2005, 04:47:26 PM
Once again, slowly now:
Quote from: General_Failure on October 12, 2005, 01:40:33 PM
Oh good, this nonsense again. Simon never signed the tender, dipshtein.
Purple, don't defeat an argument with your irrelevant facts.
The Eagles kicked out Simon when he was begging to play for us!
He was doing everything he could to show to show his desire to play for the team, if you exclude the minor details of signing a contract, showing up for camp and practicing!
Jeebus! always taking the FO's side.
I know dude. I know.
I've been a Lurielapper since the day
Hoyda invented the term Lurielapper. In fact, I guess you could say that in addition to being one of CF's OG Trotta-Hatas I'm also an OG LurieLapper! :D
Oh good, this nonsense again. Simon never signed the tender, dipshtein
true he never signed it before he was released...which made sure he never would sign it
anyone who thinks simon would have held out into the season is just reaching for any possible way to try and defend the god reid
simon would have been there week one...but for arguments sake lets say he holds out the whole year...or lets say he holds out four weeks and then comes back...how would either of those scenarios have hurt the birds
its better to have simon than to not have him...period
I wasn't pissed about him leaving because I thought we could survive without him, but it is true that with Simon we are a better team than without him.
The salary cap contest is more important though I guess.
The salary cap contest is more important though I guess
unless they use their 12 mil before the end of the season then the salary cap is not in play here...simon would have made 5 mil for this season then never be been paid again
Quoteso basically, you are saying Rayburn > Simon?
along with trotter last season, it was the DT set of Hollis and Walker that shored up the run defense.
and i am not saying anything, dont be foolish by putting words in my mouth. simon was an above average DT, borderline very good. but was also an underacheiver. simon's overall production went down each year he was here. it's supposed to be the other way around, no?
what i am saying is, darwin walked could be better than simon was...and in fact was better over the 1st two games, hopefully walker will not miss a step after being out with an injury.
i'm not being foolish at all, you said that the DT rotation of Walker, Patterson, Hollis, and Rayburn could be better than Walker, Patterson, Hollis, and Simon. so basically, you are saying that Rayburn is better than Simon.
Rayburn isn't better than Simon. Let's get real here. Simon gets a much better push up the middle on that offensive line to help collapse the pocket. I love Patterson, but Simon only makes the team better. I don't care how overweight he got.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 12, 2005, 05:05:10 PM
i'm not being foolish at all, you said that the DT rotation of Walker, Patterson, Hollis, and Rayburn could be better than Walker, Patterson, Hollis, and Simon. so basically, you are saying that Rayburn is better than Simon.
bull.
you did not have walker in your post, you had marshall. i am saying that walker very well could be (and had showed signs) better than simon was. considering that simon was about 75lbs overweight, and had completely disappeared for half a season last year.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 12, 2005, 04:37:14 PM
because it makes the kool-aid taste better.
i just want somebody to tell me that a rotation of Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn, Marshall is better than a rotation of Simon, Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn.
that's because Marshall has played the past 2 games. they let Simon go and they depleted their dline depth. so, when Walker did get hurt, they had to play Marshall instead of having Rayburn or Patterson be the guy to get more playing time because of the injury.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 12, 2005, 05:11:20 PM
that's because Marshall has played the past 2 games. they let Simon go and they depleted their dline depth. so, when Walker did get hurt, they had to play Marshall instead of having Rayburn or Patterson be the guy to get more playing time because of the injury.
i answered your original post...."no, it wasnt better"
i am saying that Darwin Walker
is better than simon was. to jim johnson having a 4 man rotation of Hollis Thomas, Darwin Walker, Mike Patterson, Sam Rayburn was as good if not better than last year, and it was convincing enough to them to let Simon go. unless Corey Simon took a bite out of Walker's leg, it's a completely irrelevant point to bring up walkers injury.
it's irrelevant that they have to play a guy from the practice squad in the dline rotation if ONE more guy get's hurt?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 12, 2005, 05:18:24 PM
it's irrelevant that they have to play a guy from the practice squad in the dline rotation if ONE more guy get's hurt?
what team in the NFL that plays a 4-3 defense is 6 deep at DT?
who's talking 6 deep?
i'm saying Walker, Simon, Hollis, Patterson (Rayburn) is better than
Walker, Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn (Marshall)
it's about the 4 man rotation, they had a decent one, gambled because they thought they were going to be good enough, and that isn't proving true so far.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 12, 2005, 05:21:48 PM
who's talking 6 deep?
i'm saying Walker, Simon, Hollis, Patterson (Rayburn) is better than
Walker, Hollis, Patterson, Rayburn (Marshall)
it's about the 4 man rotation, they had a decent one, gambled because they thought they were going to be good enough, and that isn't proving true so far.
before walker was hurt....they were.
they were what?
good enough. (and even better in my opinion)