While I was screaming for Reid to run the ball more in Atlanta and yesterday against Oakland, I figured I'd check to see if the Birds were the most pass-hapy team in the NFL. I wanted to see how they compared balance-wise vs. others. And I still believe they must run more in Kansas City and have a better balance...I am not counting QB runs and I am listing the top 10 teams in passing attempts as they are all over 100.
Eagles (2-1) -- 136 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
Cardinals (0-3) -- 134 passing attempts / 52 rushing attempts
Patriots (2-1) -- 123 passing attempts / 73 rushing attempts
Raiders (0-3) -- 116 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
Rams (2-1) -- 113 passing attempts / 63 rushing attempts
Packers (0-3) -- 112 passing attempts / 66 rushing attempts
Dolphins (2-1) -- 112 passing attempts / 77 rushing attempts
Browns (1-2) -- 104 passing attempts / 59 rushing attempts
Titans (1-2) -- 103 passing attempts / 70 rushing attempts
Saints (1-2) -- 101 passing attempts / 69 rushing attempts
And the other end of the spectrum:
Pittsburgh (2-1) -- 60 passing attempts / 90 rushing attempts
Atlanta (2-1) -- 70 passing attempts / 104 rushing attempts (Vick's 28 carries inc.)
Indianapolis (3-0) -- 87 passing attempts / 91 rushing attempts
Jacksonville (2-1) -- 85 passing attempts / 93 rushing attempts
Kansas City (2-0*) -- 54 passing attempts / 65 rushing attempts
San Diego (1-2) -- 81 pasing attempts / 81 rushing attempts
Tampa Bay (3-0) -- 77 passing attempts / 104 rushing attempts
Pass-first teams are 11-19.
This is not a coincidence.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 26, 2005, 11:52:42 AM
Pass-first teams are 11-19.
This is not a coincidence.
Of course it's not. Teams usually pass when they're behind late, and they run when they're ahead.
Pass-first teams are 11-19.
This is not a coincidence.
perhaps because they are losing more often than not and have to pass
Fair enough, but more running certainly wouldn't hurt.
What would really help is getting rid of the Parry singleback formation. Nobody in the world thinks there's a run coming, no defense is going to respect it. Ever.
This thread is living proof that statistics in the wrong hands can be worse than a monkey with a suitcase nuke.
You gonna take that from him, Phreak?
I took it as a compliment... :D
Now...leave me alone so I can go secure some enriched uranium for this here suitcase nuke. :poison
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 12:03:31 PM
What would really help is getting rid of the Parry singleback formation. Nobody in the world thinks there's a run coming, no defense is going to respect it. Ever.
But, but..Parry is good!
Defenses must respect the playaction to Parry and the 1-yard gain! That is...if he can actually catch the ball.
Parry & Reno...luckiest sumbitches in the NFL.
Because of all this passing, the Eagles have the #1 ranked offense as of today.
I assume Koy is a distant third there because he actually has to go touch the ball for PATs and field goals.
QuoteEagles (2-1) -- 136 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
Cardinals (0-3) -- 134 passing attempts / 52 rushing attempts
Raiders (0-3) -- 116 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
kewel!....look at the only 2 teams that don't run more than the eagles do. :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 26, 2005, 12:28:14 PM
Parry & Reno...luckiest sumbitches in the NFL.
I think you meant "worthlessiest".
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 12:29:29 PM
QuoteEagles (2-1) -- 136 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
Cardinals (0-3) -- 134 passing attempts / 52 rushing attempts
Raiders (0-3) -- 116 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
kewel!....look at the only 2 teams that don't run more than the eagles do. :-D
The kewel thing...um, mighty gay.
Just thought I'd let you know, bro. ;)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 26, 2005, 12:31:08 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 12:29:29 PM
QuoteEagles (2-1) -- 136 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
Cardinals (0-3) -- 134 passing attempts / 52 rushing attempts
Raiders (0-3) -- 116 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
kewel!....look at the only 2 teams that don't run more than the eagles do. :-D
The kewel thing...um, mighty gay.
Just thought I'd let you know, bro. ;)
thank you for your expert opinion.
SNAP!
Quote from: rjs246 on September 26, 2005, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 26, 2005, 12:28:14 PM
Parry & Reno...luckiest sumbitches in the NFL.
I think you meant "worthlessiest".
Nah. Lucky is the word i was shooting for.
They get paid for doing nothing. And they're lucky to be on a roster.
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 26, 2005, 12:31:08 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 12:29:29 PM
QuoteEagles (2-1) -- 136 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
Cardinals (0-3) -- 134 passing attempts / 52 rushing attempts
Raiders (0-3) -- 116 passing attempts / 58 rushing attempts
kewel!....look at the only 2 teams that don't run more than the eagles do. :-D
The kewel thing...um, mighty gay.
Just thought I'd let you know, bro. ;)
thank you for your expert opinion.
SNAP!
Anytime, sir. Anytime. Just ask. :-*
Banner has a dollar sign tattooed on his nutsack. Is that what your avatar is carrying? Banner's teabags?
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 12:33:37 PM
Banner has a dollar sign tattooed on his nutsack. Is that what your avatar is carrying? Banner's teabags?
my avatar is the guy the eagles signed with simon's cap room....thanks for the info on banner's nutsack though... you never know when that kind of information will come in handy. :P
I'm always happy to share.
By the way, we signed a backup kicker with the Simon money. :)
Quote from: rjs246 on September 26, 2005, 11:52:42 AM
Pass-first teams are 11-19.
This is not a coincidence.
the 2 representatives of last years superbowl are also in that group.
In all of this I find this one interesting:
Indianapolis (3-0) -- 87 passing attempts / 91 rushing attempts
I am not opposed to a concept of passing more then running the ball in itself. However, I am opposed to keep passing when it is not working, especially when you seem to have a certain someone looking at times like Barry S jr in the backfield. This is a serious problem I have with Reid...
Quote from: DutchBird on September 26, 2005, 01:44:43 PM
I am not opposed to a concept of passing more then running the ball in itself. However, I am opposed to keep passing when it is not working, especially when you seem to have a certain someone looking at times like Barry S jr in the backfield. This is a serious problem I have with Reid...
i dont understand why.
westbrooks BEST asset is his ability to catch out of the backfield. he has 13 career TD catches, to 11 rush TDs.
why take passes away from him?
Quote from: Wingspan on September 26, 2005, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: DutchBird on September 26, 2005, 01:44:43 PM
I am not opposed to a concept of passing more then running the ball in itself. However, I am opposed to keep passing when it is not working, especially when you seem to have a certain someone looking at times like Barry S jr in the backfield. This is a serious problem I have with Reid...
i dont understand why.
westbrooks BEST asset is his ability to catch out of the backfield. he has 13 career TD catches, to 11 rush TDs.
why take passes away from him?
Because Westbrook
is more then just a receiver out of the backfield. His rushing average is pretty good as well... so why not use that a little more... or get a viable 2nd rushing threat and have them both in at the same time....
you use him more (which i am fine with) and every starts bitching again, that he's gonna get hurt.
besides, he's carried the ball more than 20 times a total of 1 time in his career.
westbrook will continue to get 14-18 carries a game for as long as he is effective in doing that. what they need (for reid to run a little more) is to get the 2nd back a little more effective. look at the run/pass in 2003 with the three headed Injured-Pot-Monster. if Lamar Gordon can pick up more plays, only then will you see reid run more.
despite what westbrook says, he is most effective with about 20-22 touches per game (14-18 carries 4-7 catches), reid will not overuse him.
Well, i kinda agree here. Somehow, some way...they need to either get the OL stronger to create running room. They need a better running game than what they have currently. There are flashes of it shown each week. But, McNabb throwing 52 passes...man that's a lot.
They simply didn't run enough against Atlanta, but I think the Eagles had a good mix against San Fran.
Oakland's D is built to stop the run but has issues with pass rush and in the secondary, so a pass-wacky strategy absolutely made sense yesterday. Sure, you can argue that Westbrook had some success on his runs, but part of that is because the Oakland D was pretty much thinking pass on every play (and can you blame them?).
Overall, balance has to be better, but I think it will be.
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Boom.
Is that a picture of Adrienne's supplier?
not gonna win the Superbowl if you dont run.
Most teams aim for a balance between the run & the pass so as to create a "defensive dilemma": do you put 8-in-the-box to stop the run but open yourself to the play-action pass, or do you drop the safety back in order to defend the pass and trust that your front seven can contain the run.
This team does things a little differently. Reid creates the "defensive dilemma" not as stated above, but rather by using the skills of two players, Owens and Westbrook: do you dare put a LB on Westbrook whom he can almost always beat, or do you put a DB on Westbrook and allow Owens to exploit your weakened secondary.
Since this matchup can only be fully exploited via the passing game, I'd expect to see McNabb continue to throw 40+ times a game. He may even set the pass attempts mark (655 by Warren Moon).