Wah wah wah. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2169781)
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- Brian Westbrook has all the numbers on the field that Oakland's LaMont Jordan has never come close to matching.
What irks Westbrook, Philadelphia's Pro Bowl running back, is how those stats haven't translated into the numbers he's really aiming for: a nice fat contract like the one Jordan has.
While Jordan parlayed a career reserve role with the New York Jets into a a five-year, $27.5 million contract with the Raiders, Westbrook stews that his Pro Bowl season merited him only a one-year, $1.43 million deal from the Eagles.
While Westbrook still wants a long-term deal from the Eagles, he's not going to place any added emphasis on outperforming Jordan when their respective teams play each other Sunday.
"I don't think I'm going to measure my performance comparing what I do compared to what he does," Westbrook said Thursday.
One game won't matter, though. All Westbrook has to do is look at the career numbers to show he deserves a comparable contract (even if the Eagles aren't listening).
Jordan never started at running back in 62 career games with the New York Jets. He never rushed for more than 479 yards or four touchdowns in a season. He's never caught more than 17 passes in four full seasons.
Jordan was a career backup, never asked to carry an offense, catch the ball out of the backfield or become an explosive player other teams have to scheme around.
Westbrook developed into one of the top all-purpose backs, returning punts and often serving as one of the first looks in a premier offense that relies more on the passing game.
"We have different styles," Westbrook said. "It's hard to compare what he does for their offense to what I do for this offense."
The versatile Westbrook is coming off a breakout season in which he led the team with 1,515 total yards and was tops among NFL running backs with 73 catches for 703 yards and six touchdowns, despite sitting out the last two regular-season games.
This year, Westbrook has two TD catches and rushed for 136 yards on only 27 carries. Because Westbrook is asked to do so much else, he doesn't put up the consistent 100-yard games like the other star backs, which he feels affects his value.
"That's one of the things we were having trouble with in my contract negotiations," he said. "How do you rate a player that runs the ball only 15 times a game to a player that runs the ball 20 times a game and doesn't catch any passes?"
When Westbrook skipped a week of training camp to protest his unhappiness with the contract talks, Jordan's contract was often cited as the one Westbrook was trying to get matched.
The Eagles refused to bite. In coach Andy Reid's pass-first West Coast offense, Westbrook simply isn't going to carry the ball 20-plus times a game, making milestones and multi-millions difficult to reach.
"It's difficult, but as a professional you just know that every chance you get you've got to make the most of it," Westbrook said. "If it's 10 carries a game or 12 carries a game, you've got to try and get the most amount of yards in those carries. If you catch the ball out of the backfield, you've got to make the most amount of yards out of those catches, as well."
A third-round pick out of Villanova in 2002, Westbrook has never been happy with his contract, calling his rookie deal "chump change." Still, he says he's put the dispute behind him -- even though Jordan's presence serves as a harsh reminder of the money he's not getting.
"It's still not my No. 1 concern like it was before. I still think about it, though, from time to time," Westbrook said. "I'm not as concerned about it as I was before. It's still in the back of my head. It's still my life, my future."
So one team overpays for an unknown commodity and that somehow means Westbrook needs to be paid that much? Idiots.
I'm sick of his bullshtein. He signed the tender and broke off negotiations with the Eagles regarding a long-term deal.
And he's still blaming the Eagles for not caving in.
Like you said, bro... idiots.
it's called market value
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
And who determines market value? The players?? No. They're not paying the salaries.
The teams set market value and if Westbrook hits the market next year, some team will undoubtedly overpay for him. If that happens, so be it. I doubt he'd ever find a system that would be as tailor made for his talents as Reid's but if he thinks the grass is greener elsewhere, vyo con dios, motherfarger.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
Well then he shouldn't have signed the tender. But, oops, he did. So he should shut his mouth. What makes these goddamned athletes think that anyone cares about their poor little contract situations? 'Wah wah wah, listen to me whine and cry about making millions of dollars. Next year I'll only make tens of millions. Wah wah wah, feel sorry for me!' Shut it.
the fact that the raiders may have overpaid for jordan is irrelevant in regards to westbrook since westbrook is much better...therefore he should be paid at least as much as jordan...thus westbrook would be making what he should and jordan will still be overpaid
Well then he shouldn't have signed the tender. But, oops, he did. So he should shut his mouth
hes not talking about the tender hes talking about what the eagles are offering long term...if they arent even offering jordan money then thats pathetic...i dont see how even the most ardent front office ho could be against the player in this situation
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 08:30:09 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
And who determines market value? The players?? No. They're not paying the salaries.
The teams set market value and if Westbrook hits the market next year, some team will undoubtedly overpay for him. If that happens, so be it. I doubt he'd ever find a system that would be as tailor made for his talents as Reid's but if he thinks the grass is greener elsewhere, vyo con dios, motherfarger.
yeah, no kidding, and the Eagles know that, they know they have him by the nuts and they negotiating that way. nice way to treat a key player to your team, the most valuable weapon besides the quarterback.
well, at least they have his replacement in Moats, oh yeah, if he can ever get himself active for a regular game.
the system may be perfect for Westbrook, but it works the other way around too, Westbrook is perfect for what Reid does and if he isn't here next year there will be a considerable drop off.
do you honestly think westbrook or any other players give a shtein about a system...he wants to get paid, period...and paid as much as he can...hell play in canada if they cake him off
i love how the fans root for the cap money, like the team is going to divide it up among them at the end of the year.
i understand why you can't spend top dollar for every player (i.e. taterskins) but you need to spend the money for certain players and your young, #1 offensive weapon should be one of those players
We'll have to agree to disagree. Jordan to Westbrook is apples to oranges. Westbrook is more valuable to our team, but Jordan would be more valuable to many teams because is a pounder who can also catch. We don't pound the ball, so that's not an issue for us.
And just because the Raiders gave Jordan a stupid deal, doesn't mean the Eagles have to follow suit with that. $13 mil over three years isn't a bad deal. Apples to apples would be Westbrook to D. Davis, and those deals are comparable.
Apples to apples would be Westbrook to D. Davis, and those deals are comparable
are you kidding...a davis type back is a dime a dozen...hes a perfect example of why you dont spend a high pick on a rb or pay thru the roof for one...theres five backs in every draft that can do what davis does...westbrook on the other hand is a special player...yes hes perfect for the eagles system but thats why the eagles need to pay him more than someone like davis...
not to mention whos to tell westbrook that he couldnt carry the ball 20-25 times a game...thats just something teams throw out there so they dont have to pay someone as much as they should...
What you farging morons can't seem to grasp is the Eagles made Westbrook a very fair offer yet he chose not to sign it.
Therefore, from their perspective, they would be over-paying for him if they increased the contract offer and the Eagles simply don't do that.
If that upsets you, try sucking on a binky and curling up with your favorite blanky because the Eagles simply are not going to change their philosophy on paying players exactly what they think they're worth.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 08:48:41 AM
What you farging morons can't seem to grasp is the Eagles made Westbrook a very fair offer yet he chose not to sign it.
Therefore, from their perspective, they would be over-paying for him if they increased the contract offer and the Eagles simply don't do that.
If that upsets you, try sucking on a binky and curling up with your favorite blanky because the Eagles simply are not going to change their philosophy on paying players exactly what they think they're worth.
you really get upset when somebody critices your front office don't you?
Westbrook needs to take a good, hard look at the wall.
He has Moats and the Gordon's Fisherman at the door - and he's going to find himself in the same situation Trotter, Douglas, Simon, Burgess, Taylor, and Vincent have been in - Out the door, watching the Eagles challenge for supremacy, while he gets his cash - and finds out what it's like to be on a team that has a much less chance of sniffing the conference playoff games, much less a SB game.
This is not the town to complain about "Not being paid what I think I deserve." Philadelphia is "blue-collar" town, and its attitude is reflected in that. Putting in 40, 50, 60 hours a week or more makes one less sympathetic to people who make more in one game than the majority of the fans of said player make in a year.
Westbrook (and the next idiot) need to keep this in mind - and refrain from making comments about "pay and respeect." They will not get many backers.
What you farging morons can't seem to grasp is the Eagles made Westbrook a very fair offer yet he chose not to sign it
fair to who??
just because the eagles deem it fair does not make it so
you really get upset when somebody critices your front office don't you?
its almost frightening isnt it
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:51:51 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 08:48:41 AM
What you farging morons can't seem to grasp is the Eagles made Westbrook a very fair offer yet he chose not to sign it.
Therefore, from their perspective, they would be over-paying for him if they increased the contract offer and the Eagles simply don't do that.
If that upsets you, try sucking on a binky and curling up with your favorite blanky because the Eagles simply are not going to change their philosophy on paying players exactly what they think they're worth.
you really get upset when somebody critices your front office don't you?
I don't get upset about the contract squabbles of millionaires & billionaires. In fact, I don't get upset about much of anything when it concerns the NFL. If the Eagles win, I'm happy. If they lose, I'm pissed off. It's pretty simple.
Wah wah wah.
Wah.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2005, 08:45:40 AM
Apples to apples would be Westbrook to D. Davis, and those deals are comparable
are you kidding...a davis type back is a dime a dozen...hes a perfect example of why you dont spend a high pick on a rb or pay thru the roof for one...theres five backs in every draft that can do what davis does...westbrook on the other hand is a special player...yes hes perfect for the eagles system but thats why the eagles need to pay him more than someone like davis...
not to mention whos to tell westbrook that he couldnt carry the ball 20-25 times a game...thats just something teams throw out there so they dont have to pay someone as much as they should...
That's bullshtein. I've been a supporter of Westbrook since people were crying for more of Buckhalter...so I understand what he can do. But Davis is the same kind of back; and if you want to look at the stats, one could argue he's been more productive. Stats don't tell the whole story though. But if Davis were here, he'd be the same sort of back...and there's not a doubt in my mind about that. Westbrook is very good...but let's not get carried away. It's not like he's a guy who's going to run to get you those two yards you need on 3rd and 2. He's a piece of the puzzle, and he's good at what he does. He deserves to be paid...but the money he's been offered is good money for what he brings to the table.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 08:56:25 AM
I don't get upset about the contract squabbles of millionaires & billionaires. In fact, I don't get upset about much of anything when it concerns the NFL. If the Eagles win, I'm happy. If they lose, I'm pissed off. It's pretty simple.
i think the fact that you need to insult anyone who disagrees with you shows that you get a tad defensive when somebody questions the Eagles.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 23, 2005, 09:02:47 AM
That's bullshtein. I've been a supporter of Westbrook since people were crying for more of Buckhalter...so I understand what he can do. But Davis is the same kind of back; and if you want to look at the stats, one could argue he's been more productive. Stats don't tell the whole story though. But if Davis were here, he'd be the same sort of back...and there's not a doubt in my mind about that. Westbrook is very good...but let's not get carried away. It's not like he's a guy who's going to run to get you those two yards you need on 3rd and 2. He's a piece of the puzzle, and he's good at what he does. He deserves to be paid...but the money he's been offered is good money for what he brings to the table.
I believe I just had several agreement orgasms. Gross.
did somebody here have the nerve to insult cap room? >:( >:(
There's a party in my logic and everyone is coming.
I believe I just had several agreement orgasms
you clearly have an agenda against athletes who want to be paid...which is better than being a front office whore...but still you dont count in these discussions
dom davis would put up tomlinson-like numbers in this offense.
kinda looks like they just rehashed old news for this article.
Quote from: MURP on September 23, 2005, 09:09:37 AM
kinda looks like they just rehashed old news for this article.
Completely. I just like throwing rocks at hornets' nests.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 09:02:58 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 08:56:25 AM
I don't get upset about the contract squabbles of millionaires & billionaires. In fact, I don't get upset about much of anything when it concerns the NFL. If the Eagles win, I'm happy. If they lose, I'm pissed off. It's pretty simple.
i think the fact that you need to insult anyone who disagrees with you shows that you get a tad defensive when somebody questions the Eagles.
Excuse me but do you have anything of substance to offer to this discussion?
Care to discuss the merits/shortcomings of Westbrook?
Because if not you're just jerking yourself off at everyone else's expense here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2005, 09:09:15 AM
I believe I just had several agreement orgasms
you clearly have an agenda against athletes who want to be paid...which is better than being a front office whore...but still you dont count in these discussions
I wouldn't call it an agenda, but I do find athletes' demands and pissing and moaning and crying to the media about whether they make $16 million or $18 million to play a game for a living repulsive. Hearing them whine as though anyone should care or feel bad for them makes my skin crawl.
I don't understand all this talk about cap room...probably because I'm slightly retarded. That said, just because there's money to be spent doesn't mean they have to go on a bonehead spending spree. How much money they have under the cap has just about nothing to do with how much they should pay Westbrook. What dictates that is what the market will look like for RBs next year...coming off of a year when Edge James and Shaun Alexander couldn't really get paid. That's market value. The Jordan deal was an abberation, not the standard, and he's a different back who has a different kind of role.
That said, I'd still feel fine if they split the difference between where the team is now and what Westbrook wants. Structure it in a way that makes him feel like a big man, and move on.
Anyway, Westbrook is clearly worth a shteinlode of money. I'm not going to deny that. He's a very valuable weapon in the offense because of his versatility, but to suggest that he should be paid "franchise back" type money is stupid because he's never shown the aptitude to be an everydown back nor does the Eagles offense revolve around an every down back like Tomlinson, Portis, etc.
The bottom line here is, the Eagles are a pass first, run second team. That's why they pay the big money to Donovan and T.O. and not to the running backs in the system. They've made what THEY consider to be a very fair contract offer to Westbrook. He's free to accept it or play on the contract tender he signed. How is that the Eagles front office's fault?
I honestly can't understand how the front office should be criticized for prioritizing positions in terms of payroll expenditures but the use of reason and logic don't seem to be requirements when bashing the front office. In certain quarters, it's plainly obvious that the front office is being vindictive and cheap in not paying Westbrook whatever he asks for or for not renegotiating T.O.'s contract despite all evidence to the contrary.
What were the Birds offering that was so "offensive"? 5MM up front, maybe 1-2MM a year? He won't be nearly as productive on half-2/3 of the teams out there as he will be in Philly, based on his skill set. And those kind of numbers make a nice nest egg. I sure wish I had the potential to earn a tenth of that, ever in my lifetime.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 09:12:20 AM
Excuse me but do you have anything of substance to offer to this discussion?
Care to discuss the merits/shortcomings of Westbrook?
Because if not you're just jerking yourself off at everyone else's expense here.
wow, that's funny from the guy who feels the need to use curse words and call everyone moron because they disagree with him.
where's your "substance"?
1. The Eagles offered more than the $7M signing bonus Jordan got (reports have it at $8M or $9M).
2. Westbrook's beef is with the money over the first three years. The Eagles offer was like $14M and Jordan got $17M+.
3. I see this is going to be a thread where the people who like to say "You're drinkin the green kool-aid because you love the front office" so I'm not even going to get into it much other than this post.
Westbrook deserves an extension. I want him signed because I feel he'd be a HUGE loss.
But what cracks me up is the folks who think that because he isn't signed now he's not going to be signed. Did I miss something? It ain't the off-season yet and it hasn't even hit the deadline to use this years cap money.
So those of you who think Banner is going to sit on that load of cap money are nuts. Just because they're not rushing to accomodate Westbrook when he cries poor doesn't mean they're not going to sign him.
They must sign him. I believe they will sign him.
And I wish Westbrook would shut the farg up. I'm tired of all of these public contract squabbles. It's getting old.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 09:27:35 AM
where's your "substance"?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 09:20:45 AM
Anyway, Westbrook is clearly worth a shteinlode of money. I'm not going to deny that. He's a very valuable weapon in the offense because of his versatility, but to suggest that he should be paid "franchise back" type money is stupid because he's never shown the aptitude to be an everydown back nor does the Eagles offense revolve around an every down back like Tomlinson, Portis, etc.
The bottom line here is, the Eagles are a pass first, run second team. That's why they pay the big money to Donovan and T.O. and not to the running backs in the system. They've made what THEY consider to be a very fair contract offer to Westbrook. He's free to accept it or play on the contract tender he signed. How is that the Eagles front office's fault?
I honestly can't understand how the front office should be criticized for prioritizing positions in terms of payroll expenditures but the use of reason and logic don't seem to be requirements when bashing the front office. In certain quarters, it's plainly obvious that the front office is being vindictive and cheap in not paying Westbrook whatever he asks for or for not renegotiating T.O.'s contract despite all evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 23, 2005, 09:21:25 AM
What were the Birds offering that was so "offensive"? 5MM up front, maybe 1-2MM a year? He won't be nearly as productive on half-2/3 of the teams out there as he will be in Philly, based on his skill set. And those kind of numbers make a nice nest egg. I sure wish I had the potential to earn a tenth of that, ever in my lifetime.
9M up front,
13M over the first 3 years. He wants more than 17M over the first three.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2005, 09:29:42 AM
And I wish Westbrook would shut the farg up. I'm tired of all of these public contract squabbles. It's getting old.
good. Someone else gets it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2005, 09:29:42 AM
They must sign him.
the truth emerges.
QuoteI believe they will sign him
i don't know, we've seen this movie before, and the ending isn't good. unless you like when the player who leaves comes back because the team hasn't replaced him since he left.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
Teams had a chance to pay him MARKET VALUE during the time he was a RFA. What is the difference in paying a back MARKET VALUE who has 3 years experience in the NFL and giving that team their 1st round pick, or maybe a 2nd AND 3rd round pick as compensation, or drafting a complete unknown and lavishing millions on them? Right now, Miami and Chicago are looking foolish for drafting Brown and Benson as their holdouts have apparently retarded their growth. Various media outlets are saying JJ Arrington is already displaying a complete lack of wanting to take punishment--I guess my question for all of those who think Westbrook deserves millions more than the Eagles want to pay him, is WHY DIDN'T THESE TEAMS SIGN HIM WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE?
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 23, 2005, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
Teams had a chance to pay him MARKET VALUE during the time he was a RFA. What is the difference in paying a back MARKET VALUE who has 3 years experience in the NFL and giving that team their 1st round pick, or maybe a 2nd AND 3rd round pick as compensation, or drafting a complete unknown and lavishing millions on them? Right now, Miami and Chicago are looking foolish for drafting Brown and Benson as their holdouts have apparently retarded their growth. Various media outlets are saying JJ Arrington is already displaying a complete lack of wanting to take punishment--I guess my question for all of those who think Westbrook deserves millions more than the Eagles want to pay him, is WHY DIDN'T THESE TEAMS SIGN HIM WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE?
name me ONE restricted free agent that changed teams this year
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 23, 2005, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
Teams had a chance to pay him MARKET VALUE during the time he was a RFA. What is the difference in paying a back MARKET VALUE who has 3 years experience in the NFL and giving that team their 1st round pick, or maybe a 2nd AND 3rd round pick as compensation, or drafting a complete unknown and lavishing millions on them? Right now, Miami and Chicago are looking foolish for drafting Brown and Benson as their holdouts have apparently retarded their growth. Various media outlets are saying JJ Arrington is already displaying a complete lack of wanting to take punishment--I guess my question for all of those who think Westbrook deserves millions more than the Eagles want to pay him, is WHY DIDN'T THESE TEAMS SIGN HIM WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE?
Yeah, but Tampa looks brilliant for drafting Brown's backup.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2005, 09:29:42 AM
They must sign him.
the truth emerges.
QuoteI believe they will sign him
i don't know, we've seen this movie before, and the ending isn't good. unless you like when the player who leaves comes back because the team hasn't replaced him since he left.
I know the Birds FO are some hardasses, but they're not dumb. They know they need Westbrook and what his presence gives that offense.
And Mr. Franchise is publicly saying how great he is to the team. They listen to Donovan.
Westbrook is complaining now because his worst fear is no deal will get done and he'll get the franchise tagged slapped on him next year, which, I believe, is the most likely scenario.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 09:20:45 AM
Anyway, Westbrook is clearly worth a shteinlode of money. I'm not going to deny that. He's a very valuable weapon in the offense because of his versatility, but to suggest that he should be paid "franchise back" type money is stupid because he's never shown the aptitude to be an everydown back nor does the Eagles offense revolve around an every down back like Tomlinson, Portis, etc.
The bottom line here is, the Eagles are a pass first, run second team. That's why they pay the big money to Donovan and T.O. and not to the running backs in the system. They've made what THEY consider to be a very fair contract offer to Westbrook. He's free to accept it or play on the contract tender he signed. How is that the Eagles front office's fault?
I honestly can't understand how the front office should be criticized for prioritizing positions in terms of payroll expenditures but the use of reason and logic don't seem to be requirements when bashing the front office. In certain quarters, it's plainly obvious that the front office is being vindictive and cheap in not paying Westbrook whatever he asks for or for not renegotiating T.O.'s contract despite all evidence to the contrary.
Exactly. the Eagles establish how much they'll pay each position. Their positions of importance--or where they'll invest the most money: QB, WR, OL, DE, CB. As we have all noted, LB and RB in this system will not garner a whole lot of money. In some of his comments he made earlier, it sounded as if Westy was trying to make up for the money that he lost by being a 3rd round pick. But his injury history in college is what made him a 3rd round pick.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 23, 2005, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
Teams had a chance to pay him MARKET VALUE during the time he was a RFA. What is the difference in paying a back MARKET VALUE who has 3 years experience in the NFL and giving that team their 1st round pick, or maybe a 2nd AND 3rd round pick as compensation, or drafting a complete unknown and lavishing millions on them? Right now, Miami and Chicago are looking foolish for drafting Brown and Benson as their holdouts have apparently retarded their growth. Various media outlets are saying JJ Arrington is already displaying a complete lack of wanting to take punishment--I guess my question for all of those who think Westbrook deserves millions more than the Eagles want to pay him, is WHY DIDN'T THESE TEAMS SIGN HIM WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE?
name me ONE restricted free agent that changed teams this year
There weren't any THIS YEAR--but I'm saying, the opportunity was there.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 23, 2005, 09:29:42 AM
But what cracks me up is the folks who think that because he isn't signed now he's not going to be signed. Did I miss something? It ain't the off-season yet and it hasn't even hit the deadline to use this years cap money.
But, but, but... they haven't signed him yet so (1) the front office is cheap, (2) Banner & Reid are deliberately not paying him because their intention is to hurt the team and (3) the sky is falling!
:-D
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 23, 2005, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 23, 2005, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
Teams had a chance to pay him MARKET VALUE during the time he was a RFA. What is the difference in paying a back MARKET VALUE who has 3 years experience in the NFL and giving that team their 1st round pick, or maybe a 2nd AND 3rd round pick as compensation, or drafting a complete unknown and lavishing millions on them? Right now, Miami and Chicago are looking foolish for drafting Brown and Benson as their holdouts have apparently retarded their growth. Various media outlets are saying JJ Arrington is already displaying a complete lack of wanting to take punishment--I guess my question for all of those who think Westbrook deserves millions more than the Eagles want to pay him, is WHY DIDN'T THESE TEAMS SIGN HIM WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE?
Yeah, but Tampa looks brilliant for drafting Brown's backup.
Cadillac Williams was THE STARTER at Auburn, not Brown.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 23, 2005, 09:40:26 AM
There weren't any THIS YEAR--but I'm saying, the opportunity was there.
yes, but my point was that every team values draft picks too much to give them up. nobody ever signs a transition player, franchise player, or hardly ever sign a restricted free agent.
Quote from: Larry on September 23, 2005, 09:38:27 AM
Westbrook is complaining now because his worst fear is no deal will get done and he'll get the franchise tagged slapped on him next year, which, I believe, is the most likely scenario.
They're not going to franchise him, Larry.
They've shown that they're not willing to pay him the average of the top five backs in the league under any circumstances, so why would they slap the tag on him? I mean, if their intention is to arrange a trade, I could see it but if their intention would be to actually pay him that kind of dough - no.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 23, 2005, 09:35:19 AM
Name me ONE restricted free agent that changed teams this year
There weren't any THIS YEAR--but I'm saying, the opportunity was there.
No one will go after our RFAs because we have so much cap room, it's a fruitless exercise.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 09:43:58 AM
Quote from: Larry on September 23, 2005, 09:38:27 AM
Westbrook is complaining now because his worst fear is no deal will get done and he'll get the franchise tagged slapped on him next year, which, I believe, is the most likely scenario.
They're not going to franchise him, Larry.
They've shown that they're not willing to pay him the average of the top five backs in the league under any circumstances, so why would they slap the tag on him? I mean, if their intention is to arrange a trade, I could see it but if their intention would be to actually pay him that kind of dough - no.
They'll franchise him because the possibility of losing both Owens and Westbrook next year would be too much.
And since we always carry a boat load of cap room, the tag amount would not be a hinderance as it is to other teams.
Why would they lose T.O.? He's under contract for 5 more years after next year.
Phreak's right. They will sign Westbrook so all this hand-wringing is pointless.
But what cracks me up is the folks who think that because he isn't signed now he's not going to be signed. Did I miss something? It ain't the off-season yet and it hasn't even hit the deadline to use this years cap money
i have no problem with not having signed him yet...or waiting till after the season...but as i said the whole time they never should have let simon go if this is the case
He won't be nearly as productive on half-2/3 of the teams out there
this is not a valid argument...he doesnt care how productive he will be on another team...its a factor all things considered equal but when the money isnt equal in his mind he doesnt give a damn about a system
Teams had a chance to pay him MARKET VALUE during the time he was a RFA
market value doesnt exists when the cost to the team is multiple first rounds picks
i have a question for everyone...would you sign westbrook today for the exact same contract as jordan got??
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 09:51:01 AM
Why would they lose T.O.? He's under contract for 5 more years after next year.
Yeah. Right. TO's totally not going anywhere. They're definitely going to pay him his massive bonus and put up with his horseshtein for the long run. Definitely.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2005, 09:51:42 AM
i have a question for everyone...would you sign westbrook today for the exact same contract as jordan got??
No. And I wouldn't have signed Jordan to that contract either.
I'm not so sure the Eagles consider Westbrook to be as indispensible as most of the fans do. They're making him what they consider to be a "fair" offer, because they most likely don't expect him to be an effective player in the NFL after 2-3 more seasons, based on his size, durability, and position. That's why Larry's franchise tag scenario looms largely if he doesn't extend...lock him up for one more season, with no future cap ramifications.
If Moats does get on the field later this season and produces when Westbrook inevitably misses a few games, then he is going to be in some serious negotiating trouble.
But, like Phreak said, until the deadline passes for the Eagles to extend and count money towards the 2005 cap, I'm not paying much attention to this issue. Westy should either sign the deal, or stop entertaining questions from the media about it. So far, his production looks on par with last season. If the Eagles passing offense is rolling, he makes huge contributions. If they can't pass, he doesn't give them a viable rushing attack alternative, it's not his strength.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 23, 2005, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2005, 09:51:42 AM
i have a question for everyone...would you sign westbrook today for the exact same contract as jordan got??
No. And I wouldn't have signed Jordan to that contract either.
why? it's not like it's your money
Great point.
why? it's not like it's your money
because it will destroy the cap and prevent them from winning any more superbowls
I'm simply not worried about this at all yet. Plenty of other guys I'd like to see signed:
First two could be Mike Lewis and Roderick Hood.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 23, 2005, 11:04:47 AM
I'm simply not worried about this at all yet. Plenty of other guys I'd like to see signed:
First two could be Mike Lewis and Roderick Hood.
you'd rather see Rod Hood signed over Westbrook?
No, I'm just saying that the Eagles have other players they can spend their 2005 money on, so getting Westbrook signed before the cap year ends is not a huge priority.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 23, 2005, 11:09:24 AM
No, I'm just saying that the Eagles have other players they can spend their 2005 money on, so getting Westbrook signed before the cap year ends is not a huge priority.
gotcha
It is a lot less likely that he remains an Eagle in 2006 and beyond if that happens, but I've learned at this point to let negotiations go on and see what happens. After all, if Westbrook gets injured mid-year (apologies to football gods and karma police for mentioning :evil) and Gordon and/or Moats step in and do an excellent job, then it might seem we wouldn't miss Westy so much.
That said, my best guess is still that Westbrook will sign a long-term deal with the Eagles sometime between now and the 2006 draft, so I just don't care exactly when it happens or if negotiations stall a couple of times.
It would be nice if he STFU, though....
People used to say that Priest Holmes couldn't carry the ball more than 15 or so times a game too. Westbrook just hasn't been given the chance to see if he truly can be a feature back (as if Reids going to call 25-30 running plays a game).
Westbrook is vital to this offense. If he didn't get hurt, the Eagles would have won the game against the Panthers.
Just farging sign him - then he should shut the farg up.
And he'll never, ever get the chance here. If he wants to pretend to be a feature back ala LT, he'll have to go somewhere else. Where he'll probably get killed and have less chance of a SB than if he stays.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 23, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
And he'll never, ever get the chance here. If he wants to pretend to be a feature back ala LT, he'll have to go somewhere else. Where he'll probably get killed and have less chance of a SB than if he stays.
i hate to break it to you, he already is a feature back, you don't have to get 25 carries a game to be a feature back.
Without having read this whole thread how far apart are Bwest and Eagles in $
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 12:00:25 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 23, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
And he'll never, ever get the chance here. If he wants to pretend to be a feature back ala LT, he'll have to go somewhere else. Where he'll probably get killed and have less chance of a SB than if he stays.
i hate to break it to you, he already is a feature back, you don't have to get 25 carries a game to be a feature back.
Whatever you want to call it, Westbrook wants to carry the ball more so it's stats are more reflective of his abilities.
He's fine with the number of carries he's getting as long as he gets paid.
In fact, carrying the ball only 15 times max per game should make his career last longer.
between carries and receptions he touches the ball between 17 - 20 times a game, and he is very productive with those touches
He's fine with the number of carries he's getting as long as he gets paid
right...in fact whether this year or pre-contract negotiations i cant ever recall him saying he needed more carries in the offense...hell say he needs to be properly paid for what he does in the offense but never complains about his role
Quote from: Larry on September 23, 2005, 12:11:19 PM
He's fine with the number of carries he's getting as long as he gets paid.
In fact, carrying the ball only 15 times max per game should make his career last longer.
I don't know about that. My memory of a veritable steel trap tells me that he has said he would like to carry the ball more often.
Does anybody know how far apart the money is ???
I vaguely remember Westbrook mentioning in his first press conference that it was like $3 or $4m.
If it's 3-4 million the Eagles should be ashamed :boom :boom :boom :boom
Quote from: Larry on September 23, 2005, 12:36:09 PM
I vaguely remember Westbrook mentioning in his first press conference that it was like $3 or $4m.
That's bullshtein.
That's bullshtein
bs that he said it or bs that its true??
because he definitely did say it im guessing you dont believe him...yet you will treat as gospel the numbers an 'eagles source' releases to the media
Quote from: fansince61 on September 23, 2005, 12:03:23 PM
Without having read this whole thread how far apart are Bwest and Eagles in $
Well, if you believe all the reports that have been floated around, he wants MORE MONEY than Lamont Jordan over the first three years--so Jordan gets 17M over the first three, which means Westbrook wants between 17.5-18M. The Eagles supposedly have offered him 13M over the first three.
Westbrook has 27 rushes and 10 receptions through two games this year. If the game weren't so lopsided he would have seen more action at the end of the game in week 2.
I think he will average between 20-25 touches a game, closer to 25.
Keep in mind that 13 of his 37 touches went for 1st downs, 4 were for 20+ yards, and 2 for TD's. He's averaging 5.0 ypc and 9.5 ypr. The man will get paid somewhere. Probably by the Eagles.
Let's just trade everyone for draft picks. Then we can start brand new next year with 22 rookies on the field and be even better at the cap then we are now.
we this we that...you dont play for the team bitch
Wah wah wah.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2005, 01:20:50 PM
we this we that...you dont play for the team bitch
there is nothing more irritating in this world...
i was joking...matty is the man and im pretty sure he knows better and was tongue n cheekin it
god i hope he was
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2005, 01:30:23 PM
i was joking...matty is the man and im pretty sure he knows better and was tongue n cheekin it
god i hope he was
either way, it's the thing i hate most in all of the world
Wah wah wah
better than suck slurp suck swallow
I love how calling whiney millionaires out makes me a lap dog for some imaginary entity known as the front office.
Whiners are whiners. These farging idiots need to keep their mouths shut. No one cares.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 23, 2005, 01:45:45 PM
I love how calling whiney millionaires out makes me a lap dog for some imaginary entity known as the front office.
Whiners are whiners. These farging idiots need to keep their mouths shut. No one cares.
who are you calling out on a message board?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 23, 2005, 01:45:45 PM
I love how calling whiney millionaires out makes me a lap dog for some imaginary entity known as the front office.
Whiners are whiners. These farging idiots need to keep their mouths shut. No one cares.
who are you calling out on a message board?
For the love of christ. You know what I meant. Get your head out of Westbrook's ass.
who are you talking to cause i already stated you werent a FO whore
Quote from: rjs246 on September 23, 2005, 01:45:45 PM
Whiners are whiners. These farging idiots need to keep their mouths shut. No one cares.
Why start the thread than? ;D
Eh, my problem with this is not that he thinks he's worth more. Whether you're a professional athlete or a regular joe, we all believe we are worth more than we are paid. I feel I should get more at my job, don't you? I don't believe I've heard of any professional athlete ever say..."Wow, I just signed a contract where I'm totally getting more than I deserve." The only thing close maybe was when Alex Smith signed his deal w/the 49ers where if I remember correctly, I heard he made mention that it was "generous". I know you guys will know so help me here if I'm wrong.
My problem is that he's talking to the media where with them every look, sigh, and comment has a "negative" spin on it. It could be the most innocent comment in the world and of course as we all know and expect they will spin it. My question is how the FO feels about his comments. :-\
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 23, 2005, 01:48:20 PM
who are you talking to cause i already stated you werent a FO whore
Good point.
We can call it whining and all that shtein, but any person who isn't happy about their pay at work will bitch and mope.(don't compare their salaries to regular Joes they're not) He has talent and a limited window to get paid like most Rbs. He saw the other RB deals and hired D-Macs agent trying to be a company guy, this still didn't work for him. He wants to cash in on his one big NFL contract. The team isn't ready to commit to him for that. So he's pissed and it will fester, I just hope he controls himself and doesn't TO. He still gets it done on Sunday and I hope they work it out.
Quote from: fansince61 on September 23, 2005, 12:33:02 PM
Does anybody know how far apart the money is ???
about 2 feet
reid put the money on the top shelf
I can't believe this idiotic farging thread is still active. :-D
What's worse, I can't believe we haven't seen Jessie's ass in it yet! :boom
Well, consider that remedied:
(http://men.style.com/images/gq/features/040105/featureIndex2v.jpg)
Therein lies the rub: Why is he pissed? As FF mentioned, someone will pay him, probably about what he wants. And as several people have mentioned, the athletes don't give a farg who pays them. So why get angry?
Sure, he could pull a Damon Moore, and miss his big payday, that's possible. If he were really worried about that, that 8MM SB should have been attractive enough. If he wants a higher salary than the Birds were offering, that isn't protection from injury.
So why get pissed and bitch and moan to the media? He'll get his payday. Go to work, keep your farging mouth shut, and play for the future.
But if his major concern is a big payday and not risking it, is he really going to go all out on the field?
Something's not right about this whole thing. I mean, the kind of money that the Eagles are supposedly offering would be enough for any of us to last two lifetimes on, so maybe it's a perspective thing that's confusing me.
If I were Westbrook and the Eagles offered me a check with two commas on it, I'd snag it in a heartbeat. But I'm not Westbrook and I don't have any frame of reference to compare his situation to. So instead of wringing my hands over it, I'll trust that the Eagles made him a fair offer, he'll play his ass off for the Eagles this year and then let next year take care of itself.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 02:45:12 PM
But if his major concern is a big payday and not risking it, is he really going to go all out on the field?
Something's not right about this whole thing. I mean, the kind of money that the Eagles are supposedly offering would be enough for any of us to last two lifetimes on, so maybe it's a perspective thing that's confusing me.
If I were Westbrook and the Eagles offered me a check with two commas on it, I'd snag it in a heartbeat. But I'm not Westbrook and I don't have any frame of reference to compare his situation to. So instead of wringing my hands over it, I'll trust that the Eagles made him a fair offer, he'll play his ass off for the Eagles this year and then let next year take care of itself.
Maybe he knows that he's undersized and injury prone. Maybe he realizes that the Eagles are his best bet for stardom, overall success and a superbowl ring. Maybe he's just an idiot like most professional athletes. Who knows. Whatever it is, I wish he would shut up.
QuoteWESTBROOK ADDED TO HURT LIST
September 23, 2005
By BOB KENT
Brian Westbrook was added to the injury report Friday with a knee injury, but he is expected to start Sunday against Oakland.
"He was hit above the knee in the game. He worked the last two days. I gave him the day off just to let that thing rest up and have him ready for Sunday," head coach Andy Reid said.
Reid said everyone else participated in Friday's practice and should be ready to go Sunday. That includes quarterback Donovan McNabb and receiver Terrell Owens, both of whom missed Wednesday's workout.
shtein, I give up. Pay the man. I luv me sum Westy.
note to moats:
"learn offensive playbook asap"
Hurt list?
It's been a long time coming after all the Jessica Alba pics, but her ass is average, and so is she.
thanks
Quote from: Avenger on September 23, 2005, 05:26:12 PM
It's been a long time coming after all the Jessica Alba pics, but her ass is average, and so is she.
thanks
watch yu talkin' bout willis? :o
Thank Jeebus he didn't have to go on the ouchie list for the year.
Quote from: Avenger on September 23, 2005, 05:26:12 PM
It's been a long time coming after all the Jessica Alba pics, but her ass is average, and so is she.
thanks
BLASPHEMER!
Quote from: Avenger on September 23, 2005, 05:26:12 PM
It's been a long time coming after all the Jessica Alba pics, but her ass is average, and so is she.
thanks
As if you hadn't already given us enough reason to discount everything you say. Nail in the coffin. I will sleep well tonight.
Quote from: Avenger on September 23, 2005, 05:26:12 PM
It's been a long time coming after all the Jessica Alba pics, but her ass is average, and so is she.
thanks
Where do you hang out that makes that an average ass, by comparison? Or, you more of a junk-in-the-trunk kinda guy?
Seems to me, that's one smokin' ass. :yay
Quote from: Avenger on September 23, 2005, 05:26:12 PM
It's been a long time coming after all the Jessica Alba pics, but her ass is average, and so is she.
thanks
You are certainly one of the gays.
Maybe he's gay?
She's too young for me, and I'm certainly too married for her, but she's a :yay in my book.
westbrook had a great game yesterday....although i didn't care for his post game interview where he whined about money some more.
the eagles pull out a tough, gutsy win and b-west talks about how productive he is and how he should be paid accordingly....yay team! ::)
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 08:39:13 AM
although i didn't care for his post game interview where he whined about money some more.
DId he really bring up his contract?
Unfargingbelievable. In the middle of the season he's talking about his goddamned contract. farging spoiled brat athletes.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 08:39:13 AM
although i didn't care for his post game interview where he whined about money some more.
DId he really bring up his contract?
i'm not sure who brought it up...probably a reporter...of course, they didn't show that part on csn. but westbrook went on about how productive he is and how he should be paid accordingly...etc.
maybe he was just answering the question but it was a little annoying to hear him talking about that right after a tough win.
its also a little annoying that the eagles wont pay him
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 08:39:13 AM
although i didn't care for his post game interview where he whined about money some more.
DId he really bring up his contract?
i'm not sure who brought it up...probably a reporter...of course, they didn't show that part on csn. but westbrook went on about how productive he is and how he should be paid accordingly...etc.
maybe he was just answering the question but it was a little annoying to hear him talking about that right after a tough win.
It was annoying. I agree. Westbrook should've said "Now's not the time to talk about this".
Of course a reporter brought it up because of the whole Westbrook vs. Jordan showdown. But BWest should've refused to answer it.
If TO brought up his contract at ALL right now, he'd be crucified.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 08:53:19 AM
If TO brought up his contract at ALL right now, he'd be crucified.
And rightfully.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 26, 2005, 08:50:40 AM
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 08:39:13 AM
although i didn't care for his post game interview where he whined about money some more.
DId he really bring up his contract?
i'm not sure who brought it up...probably a reporter...of course, they didn't show that part on csn. but westbrook went on about how productive he is and how he should be paid accordingly...etc.
maybe he was just answering the question but it was a little annoying to hear him talking about that right after a tough win.
It was annoying. I agree. Westbrook should've said "Now's not the time to talk about this".
Of course a reporter brought it up because of the whole Westbrook vs. Jordan showdown. But BWest should've refused to answer it.
yup...that's what i was trying to say but you said it more better. :P
Exactly.
But there are a lot of people who crucified TO and would still now...but are giving Westbrook the free pass to talk about his contract DURING the season, AFTER a big win.
of course, he's a baby for talking about how productive he is. forget the fact that 208 total yards and 2 TDs proves it.
pay him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 08:54:35 AM
Exactly.
But there are a lot of people who crucified TO and would still now...but are giving Westbrook the free pass to talk about his contract DURING the season, AFTER a big win.
yeah, because TO is whining in the 2nd year of a 7 year, 49 million dollar deal. westbrook on a 1 year, BS tender, the situations are different, stop acting like they are the same.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 26, 2005, 09:04:25 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 08:54:35 AM
Exactly.
But there are a lot of people who crucified TO and would still now...but are giving Westbrook the free pass to talk about his contract DURING the season, AFTER a big win.
yeah, because TO is whining in the 2nd year of a 7 year, 49 million dollar deal. westbrook on a 1 year, BS tender, the situations are different, stop acting like they are the same.
Bringing up contract shtein, or talking about it PERIOD, during the season, after a big win is HORSEshtein. No matter WHO the player is and what the situation is. Shut the farg up and play, stop farging whining and maybe you'll get your deal.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 09:05:29 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 26, 2005, 09:04:25 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 08:54:35 AM
Exactly.
But there are a lot of people who crucified TO and would still now...but are giving Westbrook the free pass to talk about his contract DURING the season, AFTER a big win.
yeah, because TO is whining in the 2nd year of a 7 year, 49 million dollar deal. westbrook on a 1 year, BS tender, the situations are different, stop acting like they are the same.
Bringing up contract shtein, or talking about it PERIOD, during the season, after a big win is HORSEshtein. No matter WHO the player is and what the situation is. Shut the farg up and play, stop farging whining and maybe you'll get your deal.
yeah, everybody act like a good quiet little boy and maybe we'll treat you fairly. sounds like communisim to me.
sun...it was like one of those leon commercials.
even a westbrook fan had to be disappointed to see him talking contract after an emotional win.
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 09:07:15 AM
sun...it was like one of those leon commercials.
even a westbrook fan had to be disappointed to see him talking contract after an emotional win.
if he was asked the question, I dont' care. if he brought it up unsolicited, that would bother me.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 09:05:29 AM
Shut the farg up and play, stop farging whining and maybe you'll get your deal.
See, it isn't that hard to figure out. Play well and keep your mouth shut and this team loves you, play well and make a scene and flap your stupid trap and you fall out of favor. It isn't that complicated.
I thought Westbrook said that he & his agent broke off all contract discussions.
He's realizing that inertia is on the side of the Eagles. They can do nothing and he'll have to play for us for the next 2 seasons, at least. He fears that if he doesn't get paid soon, he'll end up being a "franchise tagged" until his usefulness ceases; hence, I expect to hear these complaints from him as the season progresses.
Quote from: Larry on September 26, 2005, 09:14:38 AM
I thought Westbrook said that he & his agent broke off all contract discussions.
Westbrook is sure still "discussing" it. Everywhere he can.
Quote from: Larry on September 26, 2005, 09:14:38 AM
I thought Westbrook said that he & his agent broke off all contract discussions.
He's realizing that inertia is on the side of the Eagles. They can do nothing and he'll have to play for us for the next 2 seasons, at least. He fears that if he doesn't get paid soon, he'll end up being a "franchise tagged" until his usefulness ceases; hence, I expect to hear these complaints from him as the season progresses.
they'll never franchise him. they don't want to pay him as a top back now, why would they pay him the average salary of the 5 highest paid backs in the game. if he's not signed long-term this year, it's bye-bye.
They'll pay him because they don't wanna lose him (and possibly Owens as well.)
Considering Banner will have over $20m of cap space to play with next year -- and that's including Owens' option bonus activated and before any cap space from this season is shuttled forward via the LTBE loophole -- they could franchise Westbrook and still have over $10m in cap room.
Wah.
Pay him the money he deservers!
the first rule about contract club, is DON'T TALK ABOUT CONTRACT CLUB!
Quote from: rjs246 on September 23, 2005, 08:24:38 AM
Wah wah wah. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2169781)
Quote
"I don't think I'm going to measure my performance comparing what I do compared to what he does," Westbrook said Thursday.
"We have different styles," Westbrook said. "It's hard to compare what he does for their offense to what I do for this offense."
"That's one of the things we were having trouble with in my contract negotiations," he said. "How do you rate a player that runs the ball only 15 times a game to a player that runs the ball 20 times a game and doesn't catch any passes?"
"It's difficult, but as a professional you just know that every chance you get you've got to make the most of it," Westbrook said. "If it's 10 carries a game or 12 carries a game, you've got to try and get the most amount of yards in those carries. If you catch the ball out of the backfield, you've got to make the most amount of yards out of those catches, as well."
"It's still not my No. 1 concern like it was before. I still think about it, though, from time to time," Westbrook said. "I'm not as concerned about it as I was before. It's still in the back of my head. It's still my life, my future."
These are the only comments credited to Westbrook in this article. I fail to see how these comments are interrupted as whining.
Basicly in the first three quotes he says he's not compareing himself to other backs with different styles. Doesn't sound like whining to me.
Fourth quote he says he's going to make the most out of every touch. Doesn't sound like whining to me. Matter of fact I like the sound of that.
Last quote, sounds like me. Not on my mind all the time, but from time to time I wonder when my next increase will be and how do get a bigger chunk of that corporate dollar.
The problem is, he starting whining about it in the post game interview, Eagles 3x. THERE Is the biggest issue right now.
he puts up 200+ yards of offense, he can whine all he wants afterwards for all i care
IMO they should pay him and lock up his talent for future seasons, plus it would be a positive story for the FO. He is worth it. It's not like this is the first time he won a game for us.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 26, 2005, 11:06:03 AM
he puts up 200+ yards of offense, he can whine all he wants afterwards for all i care
Definitely. After yesterday...he showed why he deserves the money. If he puts together a day like that again, the national media (if they aren't already) is gonna start asking why he hasn't been paid.
Oh Jeez. He beat linebackers that we all knew couldn't cover him, and now nobody will stop drooling all over his crotch. Sorry guys, but I'm not joining the "PAY HIM NOOOOOOOOOW" mob.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 11:53:55 AM
Oh Jeez. He beat linebackers that we all knew couldn't cover him, and now nobody will stop drooling all over his crotch. Sorry guys, but I'm not joining the "PAY HIM NOOOOOOOOOW" mob.
that's the point, he's a nightmare for ANY defense because NO linebackers can cover him
weak linebackers or not they self admittedly said they game planned for dook all week and he still dropped two bills worth of yardage on that ass
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 26, 2005, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 11:53:55 AM
Oh Jeez. He beat linebackers that we all knew couldn't cover him, and now nobody will stop drooling all over his crotch. Sorry guys, but I'm not joining the "PAY HIM NOOOOOOOOOW" mob.
that's the point, he's a nightmare for ANY defense because NO linebackers can cover him
He was super awesome against the Steelers last year, huh? 21 total yards.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 12:00:58 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 26, 2005, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 11:53:55 AM
Oh Jeez. He beat linebackers that we all knew couldn't cover him, and now nobody will stop drooling all over his crotch. Sorry guys, but I'm not joining the "PAY HIM NOOOOOOOOOW" mob.
that's the point, he's a nightmare for ANY defense because NO linebackers can cover him
He was super awesome against the Steelers last year, huh? 21 total yards.
wow, you had to go back to the middle of last year to a game where he was coming off an injury to prove your point...
actually, you just proved mine, thanks.
I didn't have to, that's just the easiest example to point out.
It doesn't matter what GF thinks...he's the one that hates Trotter and thinks he stinks. Right there...that proves that GF just doesn't know talent when he sees it.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 12:05:42 PM
I didn't have to, that's just the easiest example to point out.
following your logic, TO and Dmac must not be worth a lot of money either because they each had crappy games against the Steelers.
the Pittsburgh game was the lone meaningful loss last year, nobody played well
Quote from: The Waco Kid on September 26, 2005, 12:08:18 PM
It doesn't matter what GF thinks...he's the one that hates Trotter and thinks he stinks. Right there...that proves that GF just doesn't know talent when he sees it.
Buy a clue, dingus.
I'm opinionated...i say what i like. Westbrook deserves the dough. What proof can you show that says he doesn't?
You act like it's an all or nothing deal...it's not a question about whether he deserves "dough"...it's a question of what "the dough" actually means.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on September 26, 2005, 12:12:12 PM
I'm opinionated...i say what i like. Westbrook deserves the dough. What proof can you show that says he doesn't?
Did I say he doesn't, retard? No. I said I'm not going to piss and moan about him not having a new contract. He did what he was expected to do this week. Maybe we should give Pinkston a huge extension right now, he knows how to run streak routes too.
Look, this team isn't the Denver fargin Broncos...we can't just plug any RB in here and expect him to do exactly what Westbrook does. He's a third round pick and he plays like a top 5 pick.
It's not about all or nothing really...Westbrook has proven he's worth more than that crappy tender though.
And he had a deal on the table. He chose not to sign it. Yeah, let's burn down the NovaCare Complex because Westbrook's a farging moron.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on September 26, 2005, 12:12:12 PM
I'm opinionated...i say what i like. Westbrook deserves the dough. What proof can you show that says he doesn't?
Did I say he doesn't, retard? No. I said I'm not going to piss and moan about him not having a new contract. He did what he was expected to do this week. Maybe we should give Pinkston a huge extension right now, he knows how to run streak routes too.
if you expect 200+ total yards from him, that means you see him as an elite back, and if that's the case, you think he should get big money.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on September 26, 2005, 12:12:12 PM
I'm opinionated...i say what i like. Westbrook deserves the dough. What proof can you show that says he doesn't?
Did I say he doesn't, retard? No. I said I'm not going to piss and moan about him not having a new contract. He did what he was expected to do this week. Maybe we should give Pinkston a huge extension right now, he knows how to run streak routes too.
What RB is expected to shred a defense for over 200 yards of offense? None. So he went above and beyond yesterday. McNabb did that and got paid accordingly. Some people will piss and moan about Westbrook deserving money and others won't. That's how it is...if you don't like it, then ban people from talking about it or something. Otherwise, what's the big fargin deal.
Wah wah wah.
Looked to me like he deserves more than Lamont Jordan yesterday...that's for sure.
I expect him to humiliate LBs that shouldn't be starting anywhere in the NFL. He did that.
Waco, there is no problem here. I said I'm not going to bitch about his contract, you two fargtards cried about it. Wah wah wah, let's all go watch Lifetime.
akers didn't look very good yesterday...they should cut him.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on September 26, 2005, 12:21:39 PM
Looked to me like he deserves more than Lamont Jordan yesterday...that's for sure.
Even though I'm in the "get him signed now" camp...
The contract on the table to him is worth more than Jordan in guaranteed money (ie signing bonus)
The beef is with what Jordan got over the first 3 years. He gets like $17M and the Eagles are offering Westbrook about $14M.
Jordan got $7M to sign...Westbrook has been offered $8-9M to sign.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 26, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
I expect him to humiliate LBs that shouldn't be starting anywhere in the NFL. He did that.
Waco, there is no problem here. I said I'm not going to bitch about his contract, you two fargtards cried about it. Wah wah wah, let's all go watch Lifetime.
I hope they show replays of that retarded kid Corky...that was such a cool show.
Quote from: mhunt on September 26, 2005, 12:23:21 PM
akers didn't look very good yesterday...they should cut him.
Shoot him.
No, he should be put on the rack. Draw and Quarter that sumbitch.
I'm taking Akers to the women's Humane Society in Bensalem later today. I'll cry a little bit when they put the needle in him, so I'll problably get a new kicker before I get home.
2/5 on fieldgoals is good right? Practically automatic. What the bloody farg was he even doing on the field yesterday?! Jesus.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 26, 2005, 12:35:31 PM
2/5 on fieldgoals is good right? Practically automatic. What the bloody farg was he even doing on the field yesterday?! Jesus.
He was booting 50-60 yard FGs on Friday, Saturday and in the pregame and felt no pain at all. He was also kicking practice KOs into the endzone consistently. That is why he was out there.
He was out there because Simoneau farged up a PAT.
burn him, burn him now!
During an interview after the game, he said he hit a 60 and 55 yarder during warm ups. He said he was kicking with no problems at all and when he kicked off the first time...it just went.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 26, 2005, 12:35:31 PM
2/5 on fieldgoals is good right? Practically automatic. What the bloody farg was he even doing on the field yesterday?! Jesus.
He was booting 50-60 yard FGs on Friday, Saturday and in the pregame and felt no pain at all. He was also kicking practice KOs into the endzone consistently. That is why he was out there.
Dang, she's fast.
He was booting 50-60 yard FGs on Friday, Saturday and felt no pain at all. He was also kicking practice KOs into the endzone consistently. That is why he was out there.
has anyone not employeed by the eagles confirmed any of this
Quote from: The Waco Kid on September 26, 2005, 12:37:25 PM
During an interview after the game, he said he hit a 60 and 55 yarder during warm ups. He said he was kicking with no problems at all and when he kicked off the first time...it just went.
I had a pretty good view of him warming up before the game and at halftime. He was alright before the game, but at the half he was struggling with PAT distance. I think I got some pics of it ...
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2005, 12:39:12 PM
He was booting 50-60 yard FGs on Friday, Saturday and felt no pain at all. He was also kicking practice KOs into the endzone consistently. That is why he was out there.
has anyone not employeed by the eagles confirmed any of this
Yes, the media saw him doing it all during pregame. Reid even said in his PC..."You guys all saw him in practice and in pregame warmups". And on the way home after the game, they said on WYSP postgame show, that they had seen him before the game as well.
Inexcusable that France wasn't on the active roster.
One of Reid's all time blunders.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 26, 2005, 12:43:32 PM
Inexcusable that France wasn't on the active roster.
One of Reid's all time blunders.
All time blunders?
Did it cost them the game? Even IF France was activated, Akers was FINE before the game. He tore the hammy on the kickoff. He didn't make it worse by his kicks later.
Had the Eagles lost due to missed FGs, or had Akers injured his leg WORSE (which yes, he did...but not as a result of staying out there longer...he felt it pop after the kickoff)...then it would have been an all time blunder.
Too bad it was the Raiders with the Kicker who lost them the game.
Hahaha...Janikowski blows. He's got distance...but he buckles under pressure. And to think, they wasted a 1st rounder on that dumb farg. :-D
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 26, 2005, 12:43:32 PM
Inexcusable that France wasn't on the active roster.
One of Reid's all time blunders.
At first, i thought that also. Then, once i heard the post game stuff about how he was kicking during practice and in warm ups, it was justified for them to not have France active. Akers at 85% is better than 3/4 of the kickers in the league right now.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on September 26, 2005, 12:47:17 PM
Hahaha...Janikowski blows. He's got distance...but he buckles under pressure. And to think, they wasted a 1st rounder on that dumb farg. :-D
LOL...so funny. I know. Loved the closeups on highlights last night after his misses.
I remember when i used to worry about Eagles kickers making FG's. I hated it. Since Akers though, it's just like you really don't have to worry. He's a security blanket or sumthin.
I saw a little blurb on ESPNEWS last night. Akers is the leader in points in the past 6 years for the NFC. Now that is job security.
Hamstrings are notoriously finicky injuries. Yeah, he looked fine for 4 days, and blew it ON THE OPENING KICKOFF!
We got damned lucky it didn't cost us the game. No excuse for having Thonrburg in street clothes while a real kicker sat on the PS. Where'd the Raiders have average field position from? The D stepped up HUGE, especially against the run, and it still took the Raiders blowing up to squeak out a win. Not all on the kicker obviously, but allowing the Raiders to start essentially from midfield all game, combined with an inability to kick any FGs long than 25 yds could have been disastrous, and easily planned for and remedied.
Akers warming up at halftime, and not looking good doing it.
(http://www.concretefield.net/uploads/admin/akers1.jpg)
I guess one big question is, when is the last day a player can sign a contract and have it count againt the 2005 cap? Someone here mentioned October, but I couldn't find a specific date...
I'm thinking that if Westbrook signs before that date, he'll probably be paid more than was originally offered, but not as much as he wants. If he doesn't, he won't be signed at all and will be franchised or cut.
C
remember the good ole days when andy told him to sign the tender get in camp and well take care of you
If the numbers being bantered around here are accurate, he followed through on his promise. Westbrook should've taken the offer. He'll be disappointed on the free market (either in $$ or in quality of his new team).
he absolutely will not be disappointed by the market....players like burgess and lamont jordan caked off hard last year...
on an open market westbrook will blow up like the world trade...like he knew he could...same number same hood...its all good....
And as I thought I clearly stated, he'll be less happy and used less efficiently anywhere else.
This offense is perfect for him, and no one else really uses it the same way.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2005, 04:56:46 PM
he absolutely will not be disappointed by the market....players like burgess and lamont jordan caked off hard last year...
on an open market westbrook will blow up like the world trade...like he knew he could... same number same hood...its all good....
Probably not...
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2005, 04:56:46 PM
he absolutely will not be disappointed by the market....players like burgess and lamont jordan caked off hard last year...
on an open market westbrook will blow up like the world trade...like he knew he could...same number same hood...its all good....
The common denominator there is they were both paid by the Raiders.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2005, 04:56:46 PM
he absolutely will not be disappointed by the market....players like burgess and lamont jordan caked off hard last year...
on an open market westbrook will blow up like the world trade...like he knew he could...same number same hood...its all good....
Just like Alexander and James blew up, huh? They got paid huge in FA-HUGE!
And as I thought I clearly stated, he'll be less happy and used less efficiently anywhere else.
This offense is perfect for him, and no one else really uses it the same way
did you ever think that maybe westbrook wants his 75 catches AND 20-25 carries a game...something he will never get here...
so while its en vogue for front office supporters to bring this up all the time its not necessarily true...i understand its a way of making you feel better about his resigning...omg how could he leave andys offense...and it also will be the rallying cry when he leaves...overrated!...hell stink in another offense!...who does he think he is leaving here!!
Probably not...
true...hes goin from ashy to classy
Just like Alexander and James blew up, huh? They got paid huge in FA-HUGE!
they werent in an open market
im saying if the eagles choose not to franchise him or tag him then let him go as they often do
simon who isnt half the free agent westbrook is got paid..and got paid at a time when no one had money...trust me if westbrook is in an open market he will garner top dollar
and what exactly do you consider "top dollar" ???
and what exactly do you consider "top dollar"
substantially more than the eagles are offering...and thats really all that matters
all i hear from anyone who's anyone is that it will get done.
so, i have taken the approach that won't worry about it until the start of training camp next year, and #36 is being worn by someone not named Westbrook, I will take time at that juncture to be pissed off.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2005, 05:14:39 PM
and what exactly do you consider "top dollar"
substantially more than the eagles are offering...and thats really all that matters
come on, give me a number of what his total contract will be worth.
Quote from: MURP on September 27, 2005, 05:19:02 PM
come on, give me a number of what his total contract will be worth.
I already tried that one with this Westbrook contract situation. No one but me posted anything.
Just proves people love to bitch, moan, and criticize, without having any knowledge base for it whatsoever.
McAllister money.
To those who think Westbrook would only fit and excel in this offense, forget it. Many teams would go after him just for the fact that he creates so many matchup problems. That is the essence of the NFL today--find a player who creates mismatches and build your offense around it.
Westbrook is the closest thing to a modern-day Lenny Moore, which I believe in today's pass-happy NFL, is more important than having a Jim Brown.
Quote from: MURP on September 27, 2005, 05:19:02 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2005, 05:14:39 PM
and what exactly do you consider "top dollar"
substantially more than the eagles are offering...and thats really all that matters
come on, give me a number of what his total contract will be worth.
i have to agree with IGY here, if westbrook hits an open market, someone will pay him a ton. national media is starting to make the marshall faulk comparisons (heard it pre game on sunday somewhere). eagles top dollar may or may not be some other teams top dollar.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 27, 2005, 05:38:42 PM
national media is starting to make the marshall faulk comparisons
Madden made Walter Payton comparisons a couple years ago. The rest are behind the times.
only the few that can actually understand what madden actually says
The NFL trade deadline is 10/18/05 this year according to NFL.com, and I seem to remember the trade deadline and the deadline to extend contracts and count money against the current-year cap as being around the same date...but, I haven't been able to find anything to confirm this on the interwebs yet.
I don't agree with Mark Eckel on basically anything, but one thing I do agree with him on is this team has to bend at least once. I'm getting tired of them "winning" every single time. Can't they just give in once? Man this organization pisses me off. Get the guy signed. Give him what he wants. Westbrook is worth whatever he wants. If the issue is the Eagles don't want to pay a RB that kinda money then they are just stupid. I'm tired of hearing that it will get done from the likes of Spadaro. I want it done NOW.
When they initially brought in Runyan, he signed for over market value. Kearse was given a ridiculous deal too.
Basically, unless you're an ex-Titan, they're not overpaying for you.
Owskoo!
McAllister money
agreed...and due to inflation possibly more
westbrook knows this too...and now that the season has started his price will go up with every game...the closer he gets to ufa the less he has to gain by signing with the ealges....which is why they should have bent a little in the summer as opposed to now having to back up the brinks truck...which we know isnt going to happen
of course the x factor in all this is the frenchy tag
Quote from: Larry on September 27, 2005, 05:31:40 PM
McAllister money.
To those who think Westbrook would only fit and excel in this offense, forget it. Many teams would go after him just for the fact that he creates so many matchup problems. That is the essence of the NFL today--find a player who creates mismatches and build your offense around it.
Westbrook is the closest thing to a modern-day Lenny Moore, which I believe in today's pass-happy NFL, is more important than having a Jim Brown.
So, tell me this--because to my limited knowledge no one has answered this question:
1)The Bucs had an extra 3rd round choice from the McCardell to SD deal--why didn't THEY TRADE a 2nd and a 3rd and pay Westbrook huge money instead of drafting Cadillac Williams--or, better yet, they could have still drafted him and given up a 2nd and 3rd instead of a 1st? Compensation isn't written in stone.
2)Why didn't the Cards sign him and give the Eagles the draft pick? It looks like JJ Arrington isn't going to make it very far in the pros.
3)Why didn't the Bears sign him instead of drafting Cedric Benson and wait 36 days for him to sign?
4)Why didn't the Dolphins sign him and give up a draft pick? Or, I'm sure they could have signed Westbrook, we could have given them their second back, and we would have gotten their 1st round pick.
You see, you say he would excel in ANY OFFENSE, yet when he was out there teams didn't sign him. And the argument of "what RFAs switched teams this year" doesn't fly. The fact is that RFAs have switched teams in the past--Coles to Washington, McCareins to the Jets, Rodney Bailey to the Pats.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 27, 2005, 05:38:42 PMif westbrook hits an open market, someone will pay him a ton. national media is starting to make the marshall faulk comparisons
am i crazy or couldn't someone have picked him up from the eagles for a mid-round draft pick? if what you're saying is the case, wouldn't he have already been gone from the birds by this point in time? don't get me wrong, i love what he brings to this offense, but i truly believe it's this offense that allows him to shine the way he does.
it would have been a #1 pick to sign westbrook
the eagles could have matched any offer and made it well known that they would have done so no matter the size of the deal...whether that was true or not it still scred potential suitors off
the market was loaded with running backs edgerrin james shaun alexander and henry were all on the trading block and all could have been had for less than a first rounder
the draft was loaded with running backs
in the end no one was gonna give a huge deal AND a number one pick for him when other backs could have been had for less
just know that when and if he hits a true open market he will hit the jackpot
QuoteYou see, you say he would excel in ANY OFFENSE, yet when he was out there teams didn't sign him. And the argument of "what RFAs switched teams this year" doesn't fly. The fact is that RFAs have switched teams in the past--Coles to Washington, McCareins to the Jets, Rodney Bailey to the Pats.
I've told you this before, no one will attempt to steal the Eagles RFAs because we have so much cap money that we can match any posion-pill, front-loaded offer. RFA raiding is a function of salary cap health more than it is of talent. Banner could've tendered Westbrook a third-round price -- which would've really pissed-off Westbrook -- and teams still wouldn't have come a-knocking. Doesn't mean teams don't value Westbrook highly....
Quote from: T_Section224 on September 28, 2005, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 27, 2005, 05:38:42 PMif westbrook hits an open market, someone will pay him a ton. national media is starting to make the marshall faulk comparisons
am i crazy or couldn't someone have picked him up from the eagles for a mid-round draft pick? if what you're saying is the case, wouldn't he have already been gone from the birds by this point in time? don't get me wrong, i love what he brings to this offense, but i truly believe it's this offense that allows him to shine the way he does.
thats not an open market though. with the eagles cap room they could have easily matched any offer. and with the current RB situation, would have done just that, at least thats what i beleive. offers to restricted FA's are pretty rare, i would expect the rules regarding franchise and transition players to be different in the next collective bargaining agreement, teams have learned to completely abuse this and hold a player hostage.
when you can have a bidding war without the loss of draft picks its a lot different. teams highly value draft picks, and i thought westbrooks tenure would have brought a 1st rounder? wasnt he tendered mid-level?
big road game against a hated divisional rival today...it was nice to see westbitch whining about his contract again on espn just now. ::) :boo :boo
Quote from: mhunt on October 09, 2005, 12:39:30 PM
big road game against a hated divisional rival today...it was nice to see westbitch whining about his contract again on espn just now. ::) :boo :boo
Yup, I hope he's signed soon so I can stop hearing him bitch. Yes Brian, the team knows you're valuable, going on every possible network and crying about it is not going to help your situation. See TO.
What a farging bitch.
Just to piss him off Reid's going to open the game with three straight handoffs to Reno.
that would be the awesomest.
Glad I missed it.
Wah. :'(
I just hope they get his contract done soon so we can count it against this year's cap. I would like to see most of that 12 mil used up to free up space down the line.
A Mike Lewis extension before the end of October would be nice too.
I wish I missed the ESPN Westbrook crying.
Did you know Westbrook feels...ultimately disrespected? :'(
What kind of shtein did he spew? I missed it.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on October 09, 2005, 03:51:38 PM
What kind of shtein did he spew? I missed it.
Not much really. I didn't think he was really bitching at all. He was basically just saying that he shouldn't be measured by 100 yard games or 1000 yard seasons because he's asked to do so much in the offense and only gets about 12-15 carries per game. He wants a long term contract and while I usually support the front offices hard nosed negetiating I think they are being kind of stupid on this one. Westy is a catalyst of this offense and everyone knows it. Last Sunday was a perfect example of it. The Chiefs focused their entire defense on stopping him which opened up everything for the receivers and tight ends.
The Eagles need to sign him during the bye week. Pay him what he wants even if it's a little overpriced because their aren't many backs in the league who can do everything that he can.
Westbrook has been totally kickass for the past two weeks.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 09, 2005, 07:31:56 PM
Westbrook has been totally kickass for the past two weeks.
yeah, they should cut him, he sucks
Did I say that, assbag? I said he's been really productive during the last two games. and shouldn't be whining and bitching about his contract while he isn't producing on the field.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 09, 2005, 07:37:12 PM
Did I say that, assbag? I said he's been really productive during the last two games. and shouldn't be whining and bitching about his contract while he isn't producing on the field.
nah, it would be alot easier if they cut him, then you'd be really happy.
good point.
duh
This is how players make fans hate them.
QuoteMcNabb: Westbrook deserves new contract
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
IRVING, Texas - Donovan McNabb has dropped the odd hint here or there, but it hasn't seemed to help.
Brian Westbrook still doesn't have a long-term contract to replace that 1-year, $1.43 million restricted free-agent tender he's playing under. So now, McNabb is dropping the subtlety.
In an ESPN feature yesterday about Westbrook, McNabb said if it was up to him, he would pay Westbrook what he wants.
"I've said he's the ultimate weapon," McNabb said after yesterday's game. "What I've said, I feel he should be rewarded for the things he does for this offense... I feel that he deserves whatever he's asking for. We demand a lot of him."
It will be interesting to see how McNabb's friend Terrell Owens reacts to this. Owens, of course, wanted McNabb's support in his bid to get his 7-year contract revised after one season. McNabb declined to get involved, saying other players' contracts are none of his business.
Of course, Westbrook is making, and has made, a lot less money than Owens. And, unlike Owens, his deal is up after this season. But it just barely seems possible such subtleties will elude T.O. It probably won't escape his notice that McNabb spoke out on behalf of another client of McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith.
That's farging fantastic. From bad to worse.
The first order of business during the bye week should be to get some of these contract issues resolved.
That was a mistake, Donnie....
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles will not be able to re-sign tailback Brian Westbrook to a contract extension. And they definitely will not use the "franchise" tag to retain his rights
This is from Pasquarelli's "Morning After" column on ESPN.com in the "heard in the pressbox" sidebar...
And I don't quite understand this. They won't be able to re-sign him? Who was Len getting this information from? They are going to have a load of cap money available to them and they have a load of it now.
the only way they wouldnt be able to resign him is if Westbrook refuses. (assuming they dont use the tag).
Quote from: MURP on October 10, 2005, 02:45:08 PM
the only way they wouldnt be able to resign him is if Westbrook refuses. (assuming they dont use the tag).
I thought that was what he was insinuating.
He's already refused. What else is new?
Quote from: rjs246 on October 10, 2005, 02:49:58 PM
Quote from: MURP on October 10, 2005, 02:45:08 PM
the only way they wouldnt be able to resign him is if Westbrook refuses. (assuming they dont use the tag).
I thought that was what he was insinuating.
maybe, I thought he meant they dont have the $ to pay Westbrook.
Quote from: MURP on October 10, 2005, 02:45:08 PM
the only way they wouldnt be able to resign him is if Westbrook refuses. (assuming they dont use the tag).
I thought that at first too...
But if that was the case it should say "the Eagles will not bring Westbrook back"
The whole "not able to" suggests, IMO, that they will not have the funds to do so.
Quote from: MURP on October 10, 2005, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 10, 2005, 02:49:58 PM
Quote from: MURP on October 10, 2005, 02:45:08 PM
the only way they wouldnt be able to resign him is if Westbrook refuses. (assuming they dont use the tag).
I thought that was what he was insinuating.
maybe, I thought he meant they dont have the $ to pay Westbrook.
Well you were wrong sucker.
oh well, guess we will have to sign Edgerrin James or Shaun Alexander. ha.
Quote from: MURP on October 10, 2005, 03:16:46 PM
oh well, guess we will have to sign Edgerrin James or Shaun Alexander. ha.
Shaun Alexander? are you kidding me? why would the Eagles want a player that runs between the tackles for a couple touchdowns per game?
If the Eagles had traded TO for Santana Moss in the offseason, they OBVIOUSLY would have beat Dallas yesterday.
because they are trading Andy Reid for Norv Turner.
C'mon, Norv Turner is half the man AR is. At least.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 10, 2005, 03:24:24 PM
C'mon, Norv Turner is half the man AR is. At least.
No worries! Start feeding him some cheesesteaks and he'll bulk right up! :D
They'd franchise Westbrook if no deal's reached. They know they cannot afford to lose both Owens and Westbrook. Having over $20m in cap room next season guarantees Westbrook will not be allowed to test the FA market.
A deal will be reached. If somehow one is not reached, then the Eagles will be an absolute disgrace and slap all the fans in their faces.
Quote from: Avenger on October 10, 2005, 04:50:42 PM
A deal will be reached. If somehow one is not reached, then the Eagles will be an absolute disgrace and slap all the fans in their faces.
Whatever happens, their moves have been questioned before, and most of the time, Reid, Banner, and Lurie have been proven right.
Quote from: shorebird on October 10, 2005, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: Avenger on October 10, 2005, 04:50:42 PM
A deal will be reached. If somehow one is not reached, then the Eagles will be an absolute disgrace and slap all the fans in their faces.
Whatever happens, their moves have been questioned before, and most of the time, Reid, Banner, and Lurie have been proven right.
But they haven't won a Superbowl. This one they would be dead wrong. As they were with letting Trotter go, and so far Burgess and Ike go.
Right, because they totally counted on McDougle getting shot when they let Burgess go be a third down specialist in Oakland. Stop pretending he's something special.
Trotter sucked with D.C., and ended up signing with them for less money than the Eagles offered him. He's good in JJ's system, and it was proven he wasn't worth the money he wanted at that time.
The jury is still out on Burgess and Ike. We miss Ike on special teams. He didn't look very good against the Pats yesterday in the time I was watching, but in all fairness, they make a lot of defensive players look bad.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on October 10, 2005, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: MURP on October 10, 2005, 03:16:46 PM
oh well, guess we will have to sign Edgerrin James or Shaun Alexander. ha.
Shaun Alexander? are you kidding me? why would the Eagles want a player that runs between the tackles for a couple touchdowns per game?
If the Eagles had traded TO for Santana Moss in the offseason, they OBVIOUSLY would have beat Dallas yesterday.
LOL!
Have you been taking hits off of stillsmokincrack's pipe again?
:-D
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2005, 06:02:36 PM
Right, because they totally counted on McDougle getting shot when they let Burgess go be a third down specialist in Oakland. Stop pretending he's something special.
Stop pretending like I'm pretending he's something special. He's not special as in an all-star, but is he better than Kalu? Yes. Is he better than Mcdougle? Yes. So far this year is he better than Kearse? Yes. Again, we could've used him, and if not him then someone else besides a cast away from Tennessee.
As for Trotter, I don't care if he sucked in DC. He was good here, and that is all that mattered. Once he left our defense took a huge hit. There is no defense for letting Trotter go. He was missed and that is a fact. Trying to argue that is as ridiculous as the morons who say we are better off without TO. That is just the talk of people who don't know football.
Simon isn't what he used to be, but he could really help us right now. As could Burgess and Ike. Again, if the Eagles really didn't want these guys, then I'd take their word for it, but they did not hit the FA market and bring in adequate replacements. I never liked Kalu, and I said during the draft to you guys, that I thought DE was our #1 priority. Opposite of Kearse we had no pass rush. Well, who would've thought Kearse was going to suck? Now we have no pass rush period. Was there anyone out there that would make a huge impact to our team? I don't know, but they would surely be better than the backups we signed who can't play like Thomas.
Either Kearse is due to start killing people after the bye, or he's a complete bust of a signing.
The thing I don't get is why he's playing this bad. He's not even 30 yet. He looks healthy. He is athletic, he's got speed. What is wrong with Kearse? I don't understand. Was he just overrated from the start? I mean he put up good numbers in his career. That isn't luck.
Kearse does need to step it up.
I was OK with him starting slow after the ATL, OAK & SF games.
But he's not a bust yet.
I thought he was going to start levelling QB's after that sack on Trent Green, but then I noticed that it was just a poor decision on Vermeil's behalf to use Gonzalez to block.
Quote from: Avenger on October 10, 2005, 06:35:47 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2005, 06:02:36 PM
Right, because they totally counted on McDougle getting shot when they let Burgess go be a third down specialist in Oakland. Stop pretending he's something special.
Stop pretending like I'm pretending he's something special. He's not special as in an all-star, but is he better than Kalu? Yes. Is he better than Mcdougle? Yes. So far this year is he better than Kearse? Yes. Again, we could've used him, and if not him then someone else besides a cast away from Tennessee.
As for Trotter, I don't care if he sucked in DC. He was good here, and that is all that mattered. Once he left our defense took a huge hit. There is no defense for letting Trotter go. He was missed and that is a fact. Trying to argue that is as ridiculous as the morons who say we are better off without TO. That is just the talk of people who don't know football.
Simon isn't what he used to be, but he could really help us right now. As could Burgess and Ike. Again, if the Eagles really didn't want these guys, then I'd take their word for it, but they did not hit the FA market and bring in adequate replacements. I never liked Kalu, and I said during the draft to you guys, that I thought DE was our #1 priority. Opposite of Kearse we had no pass rush. Well, who would've thought Kearse was going to suck? Now we have no pass rush period. Was there anyone out there that would make a huge impact to our team? I don't know, but they would surely be better than the backups we signed who can't play like Thomas.
Losing Ike = big time mistake
Losing Burgess to Oakland for a 5 years $17M deal with a $5M SB = smart.
F Burgess and his broke down ass. He parlayed that NFCCG into a fat deal. Good for him for doing that. But he was invisible last year. Oh, and hurt again.
I'm with you dude. We miss Ike fo sho but saying that one gimpy-assed ex-Eagle DE is better than the other DE who is notable for being gimped up for half if not most of his Eagle career is pretty laughable. No I take that back: he is better. Better at taking a paycheck from the Eagles while managing not to play for them. :D
Quote from: Avenger on October 10, 2005, 06:35:47 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2005, 06:02:36 PM
Right, because they totally counted on McDougle getting shot when they let Burgess go be a third down specialist in Oakland. Stop pretending he's something special.
You stop the fact that it shakes and as am I, special something which is he you shake. With his all star the way it is not special, but is he better than Kalu? It is. Is he better than Mcdougle? It is. This year is he good than Kearse for the present? It is. For the second time, we when so was not, him and other someone of casting ones from Tennessee used other human him.
As for Trotter, I don't care if he sucked in DC. He was good here, and that is all that mattered. Once he left our defense took a huge hit. There is no defense for letting Trotter go. He was missed and that is a fact. Trying to argue that is as ridiculous as the morons who say we are better off without TO. That is just the talk of people who don't know football.
As for Simon as for him who is used for having him it is not something which really now can help us. As citizen and アイク can do. When as for ワシ you do not think for the second time, that really we want these people, then I take their words for that, but it did not hit to the market of FA and, it did not have the sufficient exchanging. DE which I thought being our #1 priorities thing, I did not like Kalu under any condition and, in you it was the person between draft. Opposite we of Kearse did not possess the rush of pass. It will be good, someone will think Kearse inhaling and having done? Now we do not pass the rush period of pass. In our teams there the enormous influence which then makes anyone oh it is high. I do not know, but as for those certainly play it cannot or someone like トマス than the backup where we sign it is better.
Third. Down. Specialist. That's all that needs to be said about Burgess. Simon's replacement has been here since the draft. As for Ike, I guess being 1/3rd right isn't too bad. Good for you.
That is why I said then if we lose Burgess then we should've signed someone else to replace him. We didn't sign a legit quality end. We had the cap room. Who was out there? I don't know, but anyone is better than Kalu.
Kalu is a good player. And they were counting on McDougle, who was looking pretty good in camps and the workouts before he got shot. And they had Cole they liked.
That's not the point. They should have signed someone, even though Burgess was at the top of the FA list for DEs.
Yes. They should have signed somebody worse than him.
Is Marco Coleman available? Joby Hamiter? No, no, wait, I got it: Mike Mamula!
We need Greg Jefferson.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 11, 2005, 12:36:27 AM
Yes. They should have signed somebody worse than him.
Someone not as good as him is obviously the right way to improve this defense right now. I can't believe they didn't spend that cool $12 mil on a substandard DE.
Well if Burgess winds up with more sacks than Kearse this year, then it puts things into perspective.
If if's and buts were cherries and nuts we'd all have a Merry fargin Christmas...
You're missing the point.
1. 5 years $17M $5M signing bonus to not even start
2. broken foot ; torn achilles ; separated sternum in back-to-back-to-back years.
3. 2.5 sacks in 2004
STUD! :deion
Indeed.
Bronze his bust and ship it to Canton now!
Or maybe they can put the screws from his foot in there? Or a piece of his achilles? Oooh..how about a chunk of his sternum!
They'll bronze his ass imprint on the Raiders bench and send that to the Hall.
Even better.
Burgess' ass mold and Norv Turner's pockmarked face on aisle 3 of the HOF. $1 to view them.
They probably lock together like squishy LEGOs.
Burgess gets 2 sacks vs the Cowboys on bum legs. Whats Kearse's excuse?
Quote from: Avenger on October 10, 2005, 06:35:47 PM
Simon isn't what he used to be, but he could really help us right now. As could Burgess and Ike. Again, if the Eagles really didn't want these guys, then I'd take their word for it, but they did not hit the FA market and bring in adequate replacements.
yes.
Quote from: Avenger on October 11, 2005, 03:12:36 AM
Burgess gets 2 sacks vs the Cowboys on bum legs. Whats Kearse's excuse?
being double teamed.
i won't argue burress vs kearse but there's no doubt burress is better than both kalu & mcdougle.
Although Kearse's comments after the game were beyond stupid. "Duh, they double teamed me all day, and kept going for it on 4th down. That's disrespectful." So make 'em pay for dumbass!
Quote from: mhunt on October 11, 2005, 09:10:53 AM
i won't argue burress vs kearse but there's no doubt burress is better than both kalu & mcdougle.
yeah, Kalu hasnt caught nearly as many TD's as Burress.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2005, 06:02:36 PM
Right, because they totally counted on McDougle getting shot when they let Burgess go be a third down specialist in Oakland. Stop pretending he's something special.
at no point was ND Kalu ever better, or more healthy then Burgess over the past year. and mcdougle had never shown anything before this season either.
letting burgess go was a mistake.
Quote from: Wingspan on October 11, 2005, 09:18:00 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2005, 06:02:36 PM
Right, because they totally counted on McDougle getting shot when they let Burgess go be a third down specialist in Oakland. Stop pretending he's something special.
at no point was ND Kalu ever better, or more healthy then Burgess over the past year. and mcdougle had never shown anything before this season either.
letting burgess go was a mistake.
not for the money he got.
Quote from: MURP on October 11, 2005, 09:12:54 AM
Quote from: mhunt on October 11, 2005, 09:10:53 AM
i won't argue burress vs kearse but there's no doubt burress is better than both kalu & mcdougle.
yeah, Kalu hasnt caught nearly as many TD's as Burress.
:-D
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2005, 10:43:20 PM
Third. Down. Specialist. That's all that needs to be said about Burgess.
right now there is no existance of a 1st down specialist, or a 2nd down specialist. burgess is missed right now. letting he and ike go without replacing them so far has been proven a mistake.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 11, 2005, 09:18:33 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on October 11, 2005, 09:18:00 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2005, 06:02:36 PM
Right, because they totally counted on McDougle getting shot when they let Burgess go be a third down specialist in Oakland. Stop pretending he's something special.
at no point was ND Kalu ever better, or more healthy then Burgess over the past year. and mcdougle had never shown anything before this season either.
letting burgess go was a mistake.
not for the money he got.
the birds have more room under the cap than any team in the NFL right now. the money was and still is there. i'm tired of this "not for that kinda money" crap. who really cares? especially if you put burgess contract on the birds right now, they'd still be leading the "salary cap standings"
Quote from: MURP on October 11, 2005, 09:12:54 AM
Quote from: mhunt on October 11, 2005, 09:10:53 AM
i won't argue burress vs kearse but there's no doubt burress is better than both kalu & mcdougle.
yeah, Kalu hasnt caught nearly as many TD's as Burress.
damn, what the hell was i thinking.... :-D
you know what i meant! ;D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 11, 2005, 02:02:30 AM
If if's and buts were cherries and nuts we'd all have a Merry fargin Christmas...
You're missing the point.
1. 5 years $17M $5M signing bonus to not even start
2. broken foot ; torn achilles ; separated sternum in back-to-back-to-back years.
3. 2.5 sacks in 2004
they did sign kearse, who at the time hadnt played a full season in 3 years.
Burgess was only effective as a left end, which we have plenty of; Kearse has to play LDE because, as he claims, he gets a better jump from that side since he's launching off his good foot..
As a right end, Burgess did nothing.
this was a huge concern for me in preseason...and i said so on this board...kalu is horrible and kearse has been on a milk carton since about week 10 of last year...this nothing new
This thread is begging for the signature G_F "You're all idiots! Shut up idiots!" post. ^-^
hmmmmmmmmmm (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=14429.0)
There ya go.
Jamaal Green is the answer. 8)
i was just looking at the box score from sunday...bledsoe outrushed westbrook and mcnabb put together
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 11, 2005, 11:03:16 AM
i was just looking at the box score from sunday...bledsoe outrushed westbrook and mcnabb put together
i just threw up in my mouth a little bit
Quote from: Wingspan on October 11, 2005, 09:24:47 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on October 10, 2005, 10:43:20 PM
Third. Down. Specialist. That's all that needs to be said about Burgess.
right now there is no existance of a 1st down specialist, or a 2nd down specialist. burgess is missed right now. letting he and ike go without replacing them so far has been proven a mistake.
You guys love arguing in circles.
Luckily we've got two weeks to piss on each others' shoes before the next game proves us all wrong about everything.
So we're not goin to sign one of those giant space ants to play special teams?
Luckily we've got two weeks to piss on each others' shoes before the next game proves us all wrong about everything
shhhhh...dont tell ANYONE but they arent beating the chargers
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 11, 2005, 09:12:05 AM
Although Kearse's comments after the game were beyond stupid. "Duh, they double teamed me all day, and kept going for it on 4th down. That's disrespectful." So make 'em pay for dumbass!
He said that?! It was fourth and 1 at portions of the field where going for it made more sense than punting. In a divisional game like this, I can certainly understand going for the TD on fourth and goal.
If you don't like them going for it, as MadMarchHare said, farging stop them, punk.
the goaline 4th down call was horrific...but perhaps parcells knew then what we didnt...that the eagles were gonna lay down like dogs...
but at 7-0 you definitely go up two scores...if its already a two score lead then maybe you go for it to try and bury the eagles...but at 7-0 it was an inexcusable call
Parcells always goes for it on 4th and 1. Always.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 11, 2005, 01:19:19 PM
the goaline 4th down call was horrific...but perhaps parcells knew then what we didnt...that the eagles were gonna lay down like dogs...
but at 7-0 you definitely go up two scores...if its already a two score lead then maybe you go for it to try and bury the eagles...but at 7-0 it was an inexcusable call
Under normal circamstances I agree; however, as this was a divisional game and Philly is supposed to be the best in the division, I can understand why Parcells told them to go for it - he wanted to make a statement to his team.
I can understand why Parcells told them to go for it - he wanted to make a statement to his team.
the better statement would have been to go up 10-0...not only do you not get the two score lead...but if the eagles had been functioning it could have...and should have...given them the momentum in a game that dallas was dominating...
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 11, 2005, 01:03:57 PM
Luckily we've got two weeks to piss on each others' shoes before the next game proves us all wrong about everything
shhhhh...dont tell ANYONE but they arent beating the chargers
Don't be ridiculous. Of course we'll win after the bye. AR always wins after the bye. The Chargers might be a better team in the grand scheme of things, but we win that game.
I agree he should've kicked it when he was at the thirty. On the 1, I'd go for it.
the typical rule is always to go for the points early. Jones got stuffed. If the Eagles even showed up to play after that it would have hurt the Turds. oh well.
Dalls won. Maybe Bill isn't as dumb as the geniuses on the message boards and in the media make him out to be. The guy makes what $8 mil to coach an NFL team? Think maybe he knows more than the ass clowns in the media? He had a plan and went with it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 23, 2005, 08:30:09 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 23, 2005, 08:27:32 AM
it's called market value
And who determines market value? The players?? No. They're not paying the salaries.
The teams set market value and if Westbrook hits the market next year, some team will undoubtedly overpay for him. If that happens, so be it. I doubt he'd ever find a system that would be as tailor made for his talents as Reid's but if he thinks the grass is greener elsewhere, vyo con dios, motherfarger.
Be careful here. The CAP goes way up next year. So Westbrook will - unless he is in a train wreck injury - get someone to bite on his $$$$$$$$$$$$ level.
The Eagles would be well served to sign him to something close to what he was asking for.
Gargano is saying on WIP that they are close (of course, he's been saying that for weeks)
he said the Eagles are up to $4.3 million per year(could be $4.6 million with bonuses), with $9 million upfront. he said the main sticking point is that Westbrook is upset that he has to play this year for the $1.43 million
so take that for what it's worth.
Someone chop him up and feed him to Hollis already.
i keep telling everyone a team with all 53 players being 1st or 2nd year undrafted free agents will put a stop to all of this.
you'll have a whole roster of players that are just happy to be there.
doesnt he receive the 9 mil the second he signs the deal...i realize it goes on next years cap but cant he deposit it now
it wont alleviate all their problems but it will give me a little piece of mind if they can wrap him up...and if nothing else it will be a nice little dagger in the gut of TO...the kind that goes in so clean that you dont even bleed from it
Things would be good for like a year or two, but sooner or later someone is going to demand more money.
Good news, Mo.
I trust what Gargano says because he has a pipeline to Tom Heckert. That's his boy.
And a big ol' booooofarginghooo goes out to Westbrook for the whining about playing for "only" $1.43M this year.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 18, 2005, 02:33:24 PM
Things would be good for like a year or two, but sooner or later someone is going to demand more money.
doesnt matter, you just cut them. and bring in the next crop.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 18, 2005, 02:33:51 PM
Good news, Mo.
I trust what Gargano says because he has a pipeline to Tom Heckert. That's his boy.
And a big ol' booooofarginghooo goes out to Westbrook for the whining about playing for "only" $1.43M this year.
yeah, somebody called Gargano and somewhat challenged him on the info and his response was, "It's not just my opinon, I mean I wrote a book on the guy, I have a bit of a connection" or something to that effect.
Quotedoesnt he receive the 9 mil the second he signs the deal
i know, that doesn't make sense
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 18, 2005, 02:36:19 PM
Quotedoesnt he receive the 9 mil the second he signs the deal
i know, that doesn't make sense
It does if you calculate the "value per year" of the contract.
BTW, isn't the point of getting this done now is that it will count against this year's cap?
The bonus will count towards this year's cap, but his salary for this year is what he's allegedly crying about.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 18, 2005, 03:09:57 PM
The bonus will count towards this year's cap, but his salary for this year is what he's allegedly crying about.
Understood - they were separate points. I think he is whining about this year because the new contract will be 6mil / year (for example) over the life if the contract, but if you include this year it drops down to ~5mil/year.
Now he's crying about how he's used also.
Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-westbrook&prov=ap&type=lgns)
QuoteAsked on Wednesday if he could be the best running back in the NFL, Westbrook replied: ``If I was used properly.''
how is that crying? he answered a question.
Did you read the article?
If it was TO saying he needed the ball more, it would be crying.
Quote from: shorebird on October 19, 2005, 04:10:16 PM
If it was TO saying he needed the ball more, it would be crying.
no it wouldn't, not in my opinion anyway.
I love it when players whine for the ball more. I WANT my players whining for the ball more.
However, Westbrook has done a lot of whining this year. He's also done a lot of that 2 step hop shtein when he GETS the ball. He needs to stop with the dancing shtein and just run.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 19, 2005, 04:17:06 PM
I love it when players whine for the ball more. I WANT my players whining for the ball more.
However, Westbrook has done a lot of whining this year. He's also done a lot of that 2 step hop shtein when he GETS the ball. He needs to stop with the dancing shtein and just run.
I still can't find the sarcasm in that post.
Keep looking. Its with the asian porn
If it was TO saying he needed the ball more, it would be crying
it would be because TO gets balls thrown his way more than anyone since don baylor...westbrook on the other hand should get more touches...specifically in the running game
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2005, 04:19:53 PM
it would be because TO gets balls thrown his way more than anyone since don baylor...westbrook on the other hand should get more touches...specifically in the running game
what's that?
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2005, 04:19:53 PM
it would be because TO more balls than anyone since don baylor...westbrook on the other hand should get more touches...specifically TO's balls
fixed
if any of you ever get passed up for a raise you think you deserve. i hope there is no whining about it. ;)
Quote from: Wingspan on October 19, 2005, 04:25:19 PM
if any of you ever get passed up for a raise you think you deserve. i hope there is no whining about it. ;)
Don't get me wrong - I think they should pay the man. I just thought that post had too much touching of balls to be left alone.
Quote from: Wingspan on October 19, 2005, 04:25:19 PM
if any of you ever get passed up for a raise you think you deserve. i hope there is no whining about it. ;)
does coming into work with a semi-automatic and making everybody pay classify as whining?
eXtreme whining.
wave of the future
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2005, 04:19:53 PM
If it was TO saying he needed the ball more, it would be crying
it would be because TO gets balls thrown his way more than anyone since don baylor...westbrook on the other hand should get more touches...specifically in the running game
A proviso in Westbrook's contract should be: cut Parry and re-sign Ritchie.
Quote from: Larry on October 19, 2005, 04:39:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2005, 04:19:53 PM
If it was TO saying he needed the ball more, it would be crying
it would be because TO gets balls thrown his way more than anyone since don baylor...
:-D :-D :-D Thats a good one.
Up 'till now, Bwest hasn't done much when he's had the ball, be it 'cause of blocking or whatever. I didn't like it much when TO went public with his so called problems, and when any player does it through a newpaper, to me it's whining. What purpose does it serve?
he'll get a few more touches returning punts. :-D
stfu & make some plays, westbitch...
Quote from: mhunt on October 19, 2005, 07:37:35 PM
he'll get a few more touches returning punts. :-D
stfu & make some plays, westbitch...
ha! i get it, you changed his name to make fun of him. sweet.
He also removed that Westbitch couldn't hold Tomlinson's jock. While true, I'm willing to argue that neither could 95.8% of all the RBs in the WORLD.
Quote from: shorebird on October 19, 2005, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: Larry on October 19, 2005, 04:39:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2005, 04:19:53 PM
If it was TO saying he needed the ball more, it would be crying
it would be because TO gets balls thrown his way more than anyone since don baylor...
:-D :-D :-D Thats a good one.
Up 'till now, Bwest hasn't done much when he's had the ball, be it 'cause of blocking or whatever. I didn't like it much when TO went public with his so called problems, and when any player does it through a newpaper, to me it's whining. What purpose does it serve?
It looks like the offensive line is off the hook with this quote from Westy:
. ``We should be able to run the ball with the quality offensive line we have."
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 19, 2005, 09:57:44 PM
He also removed that Westbitch couldn't hold Tomlinson's jock. While true, I'm willing to argue that neither could 95.8% of all the RBs in the WORLD.
The percentage is closer to 98.5%. Maybe higher.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 19, 2005, 09:57:44 PM
He also removed that Westbitch couldn't hold Tomlinson's jock. While true, I'm willing to argue that neither could 95.8% of all the RBs in the WORLD.
westbrook can't...but i didn't want the subject to veer off on a tangent so i got rid of that part.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 19, 2005, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: mhunt on October 19, 2005, 07:37:35 PM
he'll get a few more touches returning punts. :-D
stfu & make some plays, westbitch...
ha! i get it, you changed his name to make fun of him. sweet.
thanks sun ho mo :P
Quote from: mhunt on October 20, 2005, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 19, 2005, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: mhunt on October 19, 2005, 07:37:35 PM
he'll get a few more touches returning punts. :-D
stfu & make some plays, westbitch...
ha! i get it, you changed his name to make fun of him. sweet.
thanks sun ho mo :P
i love you fella.
Besides being all over Eli's jock as usual and giving mad props to the Eagles D, Peter King had this interesting nugget in today's MMQ column (cnnsi.com):
QuoteI think Brian Westbrook would be smart to look at the landscape of running backs trying to get paid before he says very much more to tick off Andy Reid. The Eagles have basically valued Westbrook's contributions to the team at about $4 million a year. I think they give him something like four years for $17 million. A ripoff, you say? Not according to the market. Workhorse backs who put up better numbers -- Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James -- couldn't get long-term deals worth $6 million a year and couldn't fetch anything in trade for Seattle or Indianapolis, respectively. And Alexander and James likely will flood the market again this year. What leads Westbrook to think running backs are getting paid hugely in this game? They're not. Maybe it's unfair, but it's just a fact.
lamont jordan > westbrook
Jordan is crap. His ridiculous contract should be the exception, not the rule. One guys gets ludicrously overpaid and all of a sudden eveyone thinks they should also be ridiculously overpaid. Stupid.
Jay Glazer said on FOX yesterday that the Eagles have offered Westbrook a new contract offer...
I didn't catch if he gave out the details or not.
Hopefully he signs it and we can put this to bed.
I'm not doubting Westbrook by any means, he's probably my 2nd favorite player on this team. But do you guys think they Westbrook is a capable running back? IMO it's hard to say at this point because Andy doesn't run enough to find out. Do you think he's capable of being a productive rusher or do you think he is basically a pass receiver that plays RB? I know he's ran well before, but is he capable of giving us the rushing attack that we need if Andy decided to run 20 times per game?
Yes he is a capable RB.
He needs a good blocking FB in front of him and a coach committed to running more than Andy has this year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 04:19:44 AM
Jay Glazer said on FOX yesterday that the Eagles have offered Westbrook a new contract offer...
I didn't catch if he gave out the details or not.
Hopefully he signs it and we can put this to bed.
After seeing him cry like a little girl on the sidelines yesterday I was simultaneously repulsed and gladdened. At least someone was showing some emotion, even if it was little bitchy girl emotion.
He needs a better O-Line...another stud guard and a better center. He can run...he can be the man.
Eskin's stating this obvious... that the new proposal is significantly better and that the deal now has a good chance to get done by the end of this week. He's pretending he has sources, but I think it's just common sense.
It's probably the same sources who told him about Cortez about an hour before it was announced. Howard has good sources, and he's usually on the money. It's just that since people hate the man they just pick out all the stories he got wrong, but for every one he gets wrong he gets 5 right.
Hey I've got an idea. Lets have this conversation about Eskin again. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Quote from: rjs246 on October 31, 2005, 04:26:06 PM
Hey I've got an idea. Lets have this conversation about Eskin again. Wouldn't that be awesome?
i'd rather talk about you...how are you doing?
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 04:25:27 PM
It's probably the same sources who told him about Cortez about an hour before it was announced. Howard has good sources, and he's usually on the money. It's just that since people hate the man they just pick out all the stories he got wrong, but for every one he gets wrong he gets 5 right.
stfu already. I gave ACTUAL REASONS for thinking the guy is a toolbag, and they weren't just "because I hate the man."
So just stfu already. You sound like you want to have his babies, its disgusting already.
i knew an Eskin mention would bring her out :-D
Quote from: rjs246 on October 31, 2005, 04:26:06 PM
Hey I've got an idea. Lets have this conversation about Eskin again. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 31, 2005, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 04:25:27 PM
It's probably the same sources who told him about Cortez about an hour before it was announced. Howard has good sources, and he's usually on the money. It's just that since people hate the man they just pick out all the stories he got wrong, but for every one he gets wrong he gets 5 right.
stfu already. I gave ACTUAL REASONS for thinking the guy is a toolbag, and they weren't just "because I hate the man."
So just stfu already. You sound like you want to have his babies, its disgusting already.
Sweet!
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 04:25:27 PM
It's probably the same sources who told him about Cortez about an hour before it was announced. Howard has good sources, and he's usually on the money. It's just that since people hate the man they just pick out all the stories he got wrong, but for every one he gets wrong he gets 5 right.
being a hour ahead of the curve is so underrated.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 31, 2005, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 04:25:27 PM
It's probably the same sources who told him about Cortez about an hour before it was announced. Howard has good sources, and he's usually on the money. It's just that since people hate the man they just pick out all the stories he got wrong, but for every one he gets wrong he gets 5 right.
stfu already. I gave ACTUAL REASONS for thinking the guy is a toolbag, and they weren't just "because I hate the man."
So just stfu already. You sound like you want to have his babies, its disgusting already.
You can hate whoever you want, I don't care. In the same token, I can like and respect whoever I want as well.
actually, if it's all the same, i'd like to approach the subject of Andy Reid not running the ball
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 31, 2005, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 04:25:27 PM
It's probably the same sources who told him about Cortez about an hour before it was announced. Howard has good sources, and he's usually on the money. It's just that since people hate the man they just pick out all the stories he got wrong, but for every one he gets wrong he gets 5 right.
stfu already. I gave ACTUAL REASONS for thinking the guy is a toolbag, and they weren't just "because I hate the man."
So just stfu already. You sound like you want to have his babies, its disgusting already.
You can hate whoever you want, I don't care. In the same token, I can like and respect whoever I want as well.
go do my laundry and make me dinner, bitch.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 31, 2005, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 04:25:27 PM
It's probably the same sources who told him about Cortez about an hour before it was announced. Howard has good sources, and he's usually on the money. It's just that since people hate the man they just pick out all the stories he got wrong, but for every one he gets wrong he gets 5 right.
stfu already. I gave ACTUAL REASONS for thinking the guy is a toolbag, and they weren't just "because I hate the man."
So just stfu already. You sound like you want to have his babies, its disgusting already.
You can hate whoever you want, I don't care. In the same token, I can like and respect whoever I want as well.
Yes yes! More more! Always more! Never stop!
Ugh.
I knew mentioning Eskin would turn ugly, and I did it anyway. I kind of like chaos.
this thread has run the course.
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