After watching Oakland the last two weeks I have a few observations as to why I think the Birds could possibly drop another 40+ on a team this week.
1. Take a look at the Raiders OLBs. They are playing Grant Irons and Tyler Brayton at OLB. Both of those guys are converted DEs who are too slow to play OLB in a 4-3 defense. Brian Westbrook should probably just motion out of the backfield 20 times on Sunday. Why? Becacuse can you see those lumbering fools trying to cover Westbrook? Ha! And Little John Smith is going to feast on those clowns too.
2. Oh, so you say "well, their OLBs won't be covering Westbrook"? Well let SS Derrick Gibson and/or FS Stuart Schweigert try to cover Westbrook and/or Smith.
3. TO will likely be shadowed by Charles Woodson, which doesn't scare me. But if Woodson isn't on TO or when Andy moves him around in formations (and you know he will) then TO will get to feast on Gibson, Schweigert, Nnamdi Asomugha, Renaldo Hill, Fabian Washington and Stanford Routt. My point? Oakland's secondary sucks.
4. The Raiders run defense is pretty decent. Although they miss a lot of tackles at times. But if the Eagles get Westbrook to those edges like today - big plays are there to be had.
5. Kerry Collins is still as unreliable as ever. The blitz and regular pass rush is going to force him away from that deep ball. He better be ready for a lot of 3 step drops because that is all he's going to have time to complete. Randy Moss has been shut down twice by Jim Johnson's system. That will not change.
The only thing that I see as a concern this week are:
1. Chris Carr's returns. Harbaugh's boys better be disciplined this week. That guy is fast and he can take punts or kicks to the house in a blink.
2. Ted Washington against Hank Fraley/Artis Hicks. That slab of beef is the kind of DT that the Birds struggle to contain. Although he'll never catch Donovan, he could create trouble.
3. LaMont Jordan is a pounding back. The Birds need a lead early to take him out of the game so they can get after Kerry.
I didn't catch the last minute of the KC/Oak game, but one of my roomates (KC/Birds fan) said Sharpe said "The Raiders are going to get embarrassed by the Eagles next week" at the end of the game. Kind of a bold statement if that is what he said.
Anyways, agree on all points Phreak. Burgess looked half decent tonight for the Raiders.
I know we're deep, but when are we going to see Moats, McCoy, and Herremans activated? It'd be nice to see them in mop up duty.
I believe McCoy was active today...just didn't get it.
Speaking of Burgess...they'd be better off playing him at OLB than either one of those tanks they have out there now.
They still overpaid for him though.
The Raiders can stop the run, they showed that the first 2 weeks, but I do think we could throw on them all day.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 19, 2005, 12:58:37 AM
Speaking of Burgess...they'd be better off playing him at OLB than either one of those tanks they have out there now.
They still overpaid for him though.
They're playing him as a third down DE sort of the same way we did his first season here.
Burgess is looking decent over there. Not sure if they put him at ROLB or LOLB...but they flop him back and forth between RDE and LDE.
One thing I noticed watching 2 weeks of Raiders...
ROB RYAN WILL NOT BRING THE BLITZ!!!
This reason, and this reason alone is why I think we'll put up at least 30+
He likes to drop'm back instead of bringing'm. It's going to look like a long day for the Oakland pass D (unless McNabb brings his C- game)
I have a feeling Reid will abandon the run early bc Oak's run D is looking solid...and once our RB's have something like 5 rushes for 14 yards, Reid will just get a hard on and pass for the rest of the game. Although I think we can be as unbalanced as we were on Monday night and still pull this game out bc R.R. does not blitz.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2005, 12:53:02 AM
I didn't catch the last minute of the KC/Oak game, but one of my roomates (KC/Birds fan) said Sharpe said "The Raiders are going to get embarrassed by the Eagles next week" at the end of the game. Kind of a bold statement if that is what he said.
Anyways, agree on all points Phreak. Burgess looked half decent tonight for the Raiders.
I know we're deep, but when are we going to see Moats, McCoy, and Herremans activated? It'd be nice to see them in mop up duty.
Moats. I've read, is having toruble with blitz pickups and because he wasn't a prolific return man like Westbrook was in college, he might not get in until the Eagles nab a playoff spot late in the year; that's when you're likely to see Herremans and Armstrong as well.
Why The Eagles Will Kill Oakland
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I agree that we're gonna' have to watch out for Carr, he's got blazin' speed, and Lamont Jordan could be a big factor if we allow the Raiders to stay close.
I don't think that the Raiders will be close though, McNabb and co. will eat that secondary with bread.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 19, 2005, 12:38:18 AM
2. Oh, so you say "well, their OLBs won't be covering Westbrook"? Well let SS Derrick Gibson and/or FS Stuart Schweigert try to cover Westbrook and/or Smith.
he's target #1 with Westbrook or LJ. he has gotten absolutely abused the 1st 2 games of this season.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2005, 01:32:42 AM
They're playing him as a third down DE sort of the same way we did his first season here.
That's a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a part-time specialist. That couldn't have been the plan when they picked him up.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 19, 2005, 08:45:56 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2005, 01:32:42 AM
They're playing him as a third down DE sort of the same way we did his first season here.
That's a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a part-time specialist. That couldn't have been the plan when they picked him up.
I'm sure they envisioned him as an every down DE when they first signed him. Not all Defensive Coordinators will sacrifice play against the run for added pass rush like JJ will. Phreak hit the nail on the head saying he'd be better off as an OLB. He can't hold the point of attack on run plays for shtein.
Yeah, but it was weird when they signed him...because he was never an every down sort of guy. And they still play some 3-4, which he totally isn't suited for unless he's playing as a rush LB. Was just a odd signing to me, for that kind of money in that kind of defense.
All we have to do is protect the ball and not make mistakes.
Allow Oakland to shoot itself in the foot because they always do.
Kerry Collins will be sacked 5 times next week. Will fumble twice....at the least.
I cannot WAIT to face this team. Moss might have his one TD grab (that will be on the highlights all night), but TO will have 2...at the least. ;D
And Sapp will be owned.
Oakland sucks.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2005, 09:19:01 AM
Moss might have his one TD grab (that will be on the highlights all night)
chances are, the TD grab will be late in the 2nd half with the game out of the Raiders reach.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2005, 12:53:02 AM
I didn't catch the last minute of the KC/Oak game, but one of my roomates (KC/Birds fan) said Sharpe said "The Raiders are going to get embarrassed by the Eagles next week" at the end of the game. Kind of a bold statement if that is what he said.
Yeah, he said something to that affect. I thought it was bold, too.
Also, one of them said (when talking about Moss) that was TO was the best best player in the league. WOOT!
Who said that last week on TV...damn...I forget. That TO was THE best WR in the game today.
TO vs Oakland:
2000 = 12 catches, 176 yds, 2 TDs
2002 = 12 catches, 191 yds
Both times, he was covered by Woodson... :)
LJ Smith and Westbrook could both have 200 yards recieving against Oakland.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2005, 09:19:01 AM
Kerry Collins will be sacked 5 times next week. Will fumble twice....at the least.
I cannot WAIT to face this team. Moss might have his one TD grab (that will be on the highlights all night), but TO will have 2...at the least. ;D
And Sapp will be owned.
LOL Moss and Vick, if they fart its on TV. Cracks me up :-D they are the two most overrated players in the league (although Culpepper may disagree about Moss). Our Offense will eat that team for lunch, dinner and breakfast. I agree with PG, I can't wait to play them.
Moss isn't overrated. Let's not go nuts here. He may be overhyped and over talkedabout but he's far from overrated.
TO will probably have a big game next week because he's TO, but I think that Westbrook is the one might really blow up and have one of those holy-shtein-did-a-running-back-just-notch-a-200-yard-receiving-game games. Who's going to cover him?
Quote from: Mad-Lad on September 19, 2005, 11:52:54 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2005, 09:19:01 AM
Moss might have his one TD grab (that will be on the highlights all night)
chances are, the TD grab will be late in the 2nd half with the game out of the Raiders reach.
I know, like the Vikes games....but I am saying that no matter what, it will be used in the highlights over and over again. lol
Randy made his move going from Culpepper to Collins, and TO made his move going from Garthia to McNabb. Which receiver do you think had the better idea?
Quote from: TempleOwl on September 19, 2005, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2005, 09:19:01 AM
Kerry Collins will be sacked 5 times next week. Will fumble twice....at the least.
I cannot WAIT to face this team. Moss might have his one TD grab (that will be on the highlights all night), but TO will have 2...at the least. ;D
And Sapp will be owned.
LOL Moss and Vick, if they fart its on TV. Cracks me up :-D they are the two most overrated players in the league (although Culpepper may disagree about Moss). Our Offense will eat that team for lunch, dinner and breakfast. I agree with PG, I can't wait to play them.
No way is Moss overrated, but for someone who takes plays off and has a criminal record, somehow he's become the good boy next to TO. lol
raiders D is bad. not as bad as 9ers, but still bad.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2005, 11:53:47 AM
Who said that last week on TV...damn...I forget. That TO was THE best WR in the game today.
Sharpe.
Might have been mentioned already, but Sterling Sharpe was gushing all over Moss last night. Tirico asked him, "So, you think he's the best receiver in the NFL, then?" Sharpe quickly changed his tone, and explained that Moss doesn't do everything a receiver should do well (like make tough catches inside, run great routes, etc). The guy who does it all better than everyone?
Yup. Teeeeeee Oh.
Quote from: mussa on September 19, 2005, 12:50:02 PM
raiders D is bad. not as bad as 9ers, but still bad.
Eh, they may actually be 49ers bad...
Their defense stinks. We'll be up by 14 and won't have to worry about Jordan pounding out yards against us.
if oakland gives up an early big play or two as sf did this game could be a usc type score...they have zero intestinal fortitude and will implode if they face early adversity
mcnabb is gonna blow up in this game...i originally thought his breakout game would be against oakland not sf...but sunday he might only play a half
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 19, 2005, 12:38:18 AM
After watching Oakland the last two weeks I have a few observations as to why I think the Birds could possibly drop another 40+ on a team this week.
1. Take a look at the Raiders OLBs. They are playing Grant Irons and Tyler Brayton at OLB. Both of those guys are converted DEs who are too slow to play OLB in a 4-3 defense. Brian Westbrook should probably just motion out of the backfield 20 times on Sunday. Why? Becacuse can you see those lumbering fools trying to cover Westbrook? Ha! And Little John Smith is going to feast on those clowns too.
2. Oh, so you say "well, their OLBs won't be covering Westbrook"? Well let SS Derrick Gibson and/or FS Stuart Schweigert try to cover Westbrook and/or Smith.
3. TO will likely be shadowed by Charles Woodson, which doesn't scare me. But if Woodson isn't on TO or when Andy moves him around in formations (and you know he will) then TO will get to feast on Gibson, Schweigert, Nnamdi Asomugha, Renaldo Hill, Fabian Washington and Stanford Routt. My point? Oakland's secondary sucks.
4. The Raiders run defense is pretty decent. Although they miss a lot of tackles at times. But if the Eagles get Westbrook to those edges like today - big plays are there to be had.
5. Kerry Collins is still as unreliable as ever. The blitz and regular pass rush is going to force him away from that deep ball. He better be ready for a lot of 3 step drops because that is all he's going to have time to complete. Randy Moss has been shut down twice by Jim Johnson's system. That will not change.
The only thing that I see as a concern this week are:
1. Chris Carr's returns. Harbaugh's boys better be disciplined this week. That guy is fast and he can take punts or kicks to the house in a blink.
2. Ted Washington against Hank Fraley/Artis Hicks. That slab of beef is the kind of DT that the Birds struggle to contain. Although he'll never catch Donovan, he could create trouble.
3. LaMont Jordan is a pounding back. The Birds need a lead early to take him out of the game so they can get after Kerry.
Yup... LaMont Jordan is my only real concern when talking Raiders. But like what was pointed out earlier, I really expect the Eagles O to be rolling again so his running shouldn't be an issue for most of the game.
This is a game tailor made for Westbrook to show his talents out of the backfield. The Raiders really don't have anyone who can stay with him without exposing the big play for TO to exploit. I watched the KC game as well and yeah, their OLB's are dead if they have to handle Westbrook.
On a side note, even more incentive for Westbrook. He wants LaMont Jordan-type money? What better way to make his case than to outperform the guy who's contract he wants to match while he's across the field?
My only concern about this game is that the Raiders are going up with their backs against the wall, if they go 0-3 they will be in serious trouble. That being said I still think the Eagles will win but it may be slightly difficult.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 20, 2005, 05:26:20 PM
My only concern about this game is that the Raiders are going up with their backs against the wall, if they go 0-3 they will be in serious trouble. That being said I still think the Eagles will win but it may be slightly difficult.
The Eagles fear of going 1-2 is greater than the Raiders fear of going 0-3.
We have the :=) 's and Skins to catch for cryin' out loud!
Quote from: Avenger on September 19, 2005, 01:09:22 AM
The Raiders can stop the run, they showed that the first 2 weeks, but I do think we could throw on them all day.
What he said.
Our run defense has been pretty good, but our pass coverage is horrible.
We promise we'll give you a better outing than the 49ers did last week, ok?
Quote from: AutumnWind71 on September 20, 2005, 10:34:09 PM
We promise we'll give you a better outing than the 49ers did last week, ok?
I sure hope so. We were bored in the stands by the 3rd quarter.
Eagles dont run anyway. You might as well try and run the silver dollar defense.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 19, 2005, 11:56:19 AM
TO vs Oakland:
2000 = 12 catches, 176 yds, 2 TDs
2002 = 12 catches, 191 yds
Both times, he was covered by Woodson... :)
that was during a three year stretch when Woodson had a sever case of turf toe... so servere that he wasn't cleared to play. SO he took pain shots and went against the team and played anyway... No excuses and no injuries this time. This is the matchup I've been waiting for!
Quote from: bk on September 21, 2005, 01:23:05 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 19, 2005, 11:56:19 AM
TO vs Oakland:
2000 = 12 catches, 176 yds, 2 TDs
2002 = 12 catches, 191 yds
Both times, he was covered by Woodson... :)
that was during a three year stretch when Woodson had a sever case of turf toe... so servere that he wasn't cleared to play. SO he took pain shots and went against the team and played anyway... No excuses and no injuries this time. This is the matchup I've been waiting for!
Woodson had Turf toe for three straight years?????lol Do you know anything?
Quote from: EaglesRock on September 21, 2005, 01:51:44 AM
Quote from: bk on September 21, 2005, 01:23:05 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 19, 2005, 11:56:19 AM
TO vs Oakland:
2000 = 12 catches, 176 yds, 2 TDs
2002 = 12 catches, 191 yds
Both times, he was covered by Woodson... :)
that was during a three year stretch when Woodson had a sever case of turf toe... so servere that he wasn't cleared to play. SO he took pain shots and went against the team and played anyway... No excuses and no injuries this time. This is the matchup I've been waiting for!
Woodson had Turf toe for three straight years?????lol Do you know anything?
Whole lotta nothing.
Quote from: bk on September 21, 2005, 01:23:05 AM
that was during a three year stretch when Woodson had a sever case of turf toe... so servere that he wasn't cleared to play. SO he took pain shots and went against the team and played anyway... No excuses and no injuries this time. This is the matchup I've been waiting for!
:-D :-D :-D
I sure hope so. We were bored in the stands by the 3rd quarter
i was bangin beers in the parking lot in the third quarter...koy is enough to drive a man to drink
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 21, 2005, 07:46:41 AM
Quote from: bk on September 21, 2005, 01:23:05 AM
that was during a three year stretch when Woodson had a sever case of turf toe... so servere that he wasn't cleared to play. SO he took pain shots and went against the team and played anyway... No excuses and no injuries this time. This is the matchup I've been waiting for!
:-D :-D :-D
So if he severed his toe off - that just proves that he's slow ;D
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 21, 2005, 07:49:23 AM
I sure hope so. We were bored in the stands by the 3rd quarter
i was bangin beers in the parking lot in the third quarter...koy is enough to drive a man to drink
Assuming that man needed an excuse in the first place.
Quote from: bk on September 21, 2005, 01:23:05 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 19, 2005, 11:56:19 AM
TO vs Oakland:
2000 = 12 catches, 176 yds, 2 TDs
2002 = 12 catches, 191 yds
Both times, he was covered by Woodson... :)
that was during a three year stretch when Woodson had a sever case of turf toe... so servere that he wasn't cleared to play. SO he took pain shots and went against the team and played anyway... No excuses and no injuries this time. This is the matchup I've been waiting for!
Reminds me of the time I had a paper cut. That joint didn't heal for 5 years! It was a sever one though.