Forget for a moment that I'm in 4 fantasy leagues, a suicide league, a salary cap league and a pick'em league and help me decide what to do in my keeper league with my friends...
My roster from last year is shtein. We only keep three players and the people that I'm considering are...
Tomlinson
Rudi Johnson
Westbrook
Chad Johnson
Mike Vick
Tomlinson is a lock and considering my options, R. Johnson is also probably a lock, but the rest of my choices are utter shtein.
I've been offered Kevin Jones and Donovan McNabb for Tomlinson.
I've also been offered a late first round pick for Rudi Johnson.
Basically I would be blowing up my team, leaving myself with one keeper (Westbrook or C. Johnson, almost certainly not Vick), McNabb, K. Jones and two late-ish first round picks (#7 & #10).
So either I go into the season with the best player in the league, and shtein else, or I go into the season with three good players and two first round picks. I hate to get rid of Tomlinson, but I like the idea of having more picks and decent players.
Thoughts?
I would:
1. Keep Tomlinson
2. Keep Westbrook
3. Keep Chad Johnson
4. Trade Rudi Johnson for the 1st round pick
You have your 2 starting RB's right there and a stud WR. With two #1's you could really build on that.
The only problem with that is that if I trade a player I have to also 'keep' that player. In other words, my keeper would become the second draft pick... you know what I mean?
how many teams in the league... how many players do you start? big questions there.
Id keep LT, Rudi and Westbrook. You are set at RB for the season. You can always dig up a decent QB.
10 teams, 9 starting positions (2 WR, 2 RB, QB, TE, K, DEF, W/R).
I like the idea of having two starting RBs (b/c I think K. Jones is money) and two draft picks. I also get bored easily and get excited about fantasy football trades... but you guys and your stupid logic are starting to sway me...
Along with Murp's questions, how many players can you keep? Who will be available in the first round. I wouldn't trade Rudi Johnson unless I was sure I could get a really good player. Rudi is money this year. Offense is really going to blossom with Carson Palmer and I think Rudi and Chad Johson will get many redzone opportunities. If you can only keep four, I would get rid of Vick or see if you can trade him for a second rounder. Do not trade Tomlinson.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 25, 2005, 09:42:06 AM
Thoughts?
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Even worse, we can only keep three. I don't have a lot of wiggle room here...
I'm with MURP. Keep LT, Rudi, and Westbrook.
Do you guys relaly think Westbrook is keeper-worthy?
It's a draw in my mind between Westrbook and Chad. But I've convinced myself in the past that a stud WR was more valuable than a Very Good RB, only to get burned every time. So maybe you keep Chad instead, and maybe you regret it.
And yeah, I'm talking Keeper Fantasy here, not Season Fantasy.
depends on your scoring. Westy had the same # of TD's as CJ last year, but he had about 200 or so more yards. Just depends.
I'd keep Tomlinson, Westbrook, and Chad Johnson, personally. Rudi's going to lose carries to Chris Perry by the end of the season.
I can't believe that all of you think that Westbrook is a keeper. And one of you has said that Westbrook should be kept over Rudi Johnson. Makes me wonder why the hell I'm asking any of you what you think in the first place.
Rudi is going to have a huge year. I have both LT and Johnson is my regular Fantasy League, and no way I'd move Westy into one of those slots unless they had a bye or something. I do agree with Dio overall though. WRs even ones like Chad Johnson, aren't worth as much as a very good RB. Keep Westy, Rudi, and LT.
The thing about having Rudi and Chad Johnson on your squad is that they both play for the same team. I'm not a big fan of having a starting RB and WR on the same team because if one has a big day the other probably isn't. Also, if the Bengals go up against a tough defensive team, you've now limited your choices when it comes to selecting favorable matchups.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 25, 2005, 09:59:16 AM
(2 WR, 2 RB, QB, TE, K, DEF, W/R).
that means you can start 3 RB's right? atleast thats what I was going by, hence also keeping Westbrook.
If you're going to keep Rudi, be sure to make that trade. I'm just sayin'.
And I don't understand why you're hating on Westbrook. He racks up the rushing AND receiving yards... and certainly touchdowns as well.
New question... but pretty much the same. Let's say this dude looking for tomlinson throws in a second-round pick as well, giving me:
McNabb
K. Jones
Westbrook
2 first round picks
2 second round picks
My thinking is K.Jones > Rudi Johnson, Westbrook = Westbrook, McNabb < Tomlinson BUT an extra 1st and an extra 2nd and McNabb = Tomlinson.
Can you tell I'm bored with my team?
I think I would take Rudi over Kevin Jones.
Quote from: MURP on August 25, 2005, 01:42:54 PM
I think I would take Rudi over Kevin Jones.
I guess I'm more impressed with Jones than you, or less impressed with Rudi. Jones didn't even really shoulder much of a load until the last 5 games of the season and when he did he tore it up. Rudi is basically worthless with receiving yards, but he does get lots of TDs. shtein I don't know.
nah, I think Jones is gonna be real good. I just think Rudi Johnson will get more touches. They will run him right into the ground. Either RB will good stuff.
I'd take Jones over Johnson in a heartbeat. I think Johnson will start to lose some touches to Chris Perry this year, and Jones is pretty much the only game in town.
Some dude offered my Bubba Franks and Plaxico for Tony Gonzalez. I laughed in his face. His stupid internet face. Now Gonzo will get hurt. Guaranteed.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 26, 2005, 10:25:54 AM
Some dude offered my Bubba Franks and Plaxico for Tony Gonzalez. I laughed in his face. His stupid internet face. Now Gonzo will get hurt. Guaranteed.
I love when people offer me trades like that.
I usually "counter" with something equally retarded in my favor to prove a point.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 26, 2005, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 26, 2005, 10:25:54 AM
Some dude offered my Bubba Franks and Plaxico for Tony Gonzalez. I laughed in his face. His stupid internet face. Now Gonzo will get hurt. Guaranteed.
I love when people offer me trades like that.
I usually "counter" with something equally retarded in my favor to prove a point.
HA! I do the exact same thing, but when I went to do it to this guy I took one look at his roster and realized that he didn't have a single player that i wanted. His running backs are J Lewis, JJ Arrington, C Williams and Mike Anderson. One guy right out of prison, one guy right off of a season where he didn't play and two rookies. His QBs are Eli and McNair.
his team really really sucks. I called him a douche and told him his team sucked and he bet me $100 that it would finish higher than my team. Easy money.
He'll never pay up. Douches are weasels.
Nah he's good people. I just like to get abrasive with my trash talk and got his blood up enough to make a stupid bet. I love it.
A guy in my one league is so thin at RB that he currently has Cedric Benson starting, so he posts that he wants RB help. I offered him Warrick Dunn & T.J. Houshmandzadeh for Javon Walker and Benson.
I think it's fair. For me.
If Benson signs and starts you've got a good deal there. If either of those doesn't happen, he's probably got the better of the deal.
Also, Benson's an idiot for holding out with a good running back on the team already.
P.S. I have Thomas Jones on that team already. So the deal is very good for me and awful for him anyway.
Ah yes, that does make a big difference.
I like Rudi a little more than Jones this year. I'm a big fan of Jones, but they have 3 young stud receivers that I think they are going to try to get the ball to a lot. I think they will look to pass more, and the Bengals will rush Rudi more. Also Rudi is built better and less likely to break down.
Quote from: Monster on August 27, 2005, 05:14:08 AMAlso Rudi is built better and less likely to break down.
Statements like this one just kill me. What do you mean he's "built better?" How can you say he's "less likely to break down?" Garbage.
FYI
I kept the RBs like you jerks suggested. Here is my roster. I'm not a big fan of my receivers or my QBs, but they will get me points and I will dominate as usual.
RB:
Tomlinson
Rudi Johnson
Westbrook
TJ Duckett
Marshall Faulk
WR:
Joe Horn
Hines Ward
Donald Driver
Muhsin Muhammad
Plaxico Burress
Keary Colbert
TE:
Alge Crumpler
Jermaine Wiggins
QB:
Brett Favre
Jake Plummer
K:
Jay Feely
DEF:
Cincinnati
Arizona
Quote from: Diomedes on August 27, 2005, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: Monster on August 27, 2005, 05:14:08 AMAlso Rudi is built better and less likely to break down.
Statements like this one just kill me. What do you mean he's "built better?" How can you say he's "less likely to break down?" Garbage.
He's bigger and stronger and can take more of a pounding than Jones. Bigger guys are more likely to take a lickin and keep on tickin.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2005, 04:00:33 PM
FYI
I kept the RBs like you jerks suggested. Here is my roster. I'm not a big fan of my receivers or my QBs, but they will get me points and I will dominate as usual.
RB:
Tomlinson
Rudi Johnson
Westbrook
TJ Duckett
Marshall Faulk
WR:
Joe Horn
Hines Ward
Donald Driver
Muhsin Muhammad
Plaxico Burress
Keary Colbert
TE:
Alge Crumpler
Jermaine Wiggins
QB:
Brett Favre
Jake Plummer
K:
Jay Feely
DEF:
Cincinnati
Arizona
Try to trade Hines Ward. I don't know if the guys in your league really know their stuff, but a lot of people want Hines Ward because he is a great receiver. He doesn't catch a ton of TDs though, so if you could move him for someone that does it could strengthen your WR corps.
Usually I'd agree with you, but with Burress gone I think he's going to see an uptick in redzone looks.
Either way, as a second WR I'm in pretty good shape.
He could, but they also drafted Heath Miller and TEs are good red zone targets. Plus, they like to run a lot anyway. You should stick with what you believe, but IMO I'd try to get Coles and something small for Ward. It's a keeper league so see if you could swing Coles and a pick. I think Coles back in the Jets offense will have a real productive year, and while he may not have the yard Ward has, he'll have more TDs. Just a gamble that I think might be worth looking into. If not Coles then maybe Steve Smith and a pick instead.
Hines Ward for Lav Coles? Put down the crack pipe, sucker.
and a pick! 8)
Not saying I would do it for sure either, but just something worth looking into. I think Steve Smith will have a great year too. He had 7 TDs in a breakout year in 03 and is only going to get better. Then again Ward last year had a bad year for TDs so maybe he'll get back up to having 10 per year. If you want to keep Ward then try to move Muhammad. If there is a moron in the group, maybe he'll look at what he did last year and give up a lot for him. I think he's going to have a bad year with the Bears compared to last year. I'm not sure who you are playing with so they may not fall for a trade like that, but you said you don't like your receivers so I'm just trying to offer some scenarios that could help.
I'm more excited about Muhammad since I just read this (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2145294).