Poll
Question:
Who do you want to Eagles to sign?
Option 1: nobody
votes: 4
Option 2: Eddie George
votes: 5
Option 3: Lamar Gordon
votes: 10
Option 4: Dorsey Levens
votes: 24
Option 5: Sammy Morris
votes: 3
Option 6: Tyrone Wheatley
votes: 7
Option 7: someone else
votes: 7
lets get it out there, discuss a little more without the nonsense from before.
who do you want?
im going with Dorsey.
Levens
You're all gonna think i'm nuts, but I want Eddie George to fill in. He's big and could be effective with limited carries. He's also a classy guy who would add emotional leadership. Nothing wrong with that.
I going with no one. Let's see what Moats, Perry, Mahe have. If the FO thinks they can't get the job done, then they'll bring someone else in and I think it will have to be someone who can pick up the offense quickly...a la Mr. Dorsey.
eddie george or levens...whoever they get is irrelevant...they need someone to take a few touches away from westbrook...not someone to make plays...regardless of who they bring in...if westbrook gets hurt season is over anyway...
but i can see a gordon/morris type fumbling or missing a blitz pick up that costs them a big game...id rather play it solid and safe with a veteran
I'm going with Wheatley even though I don't think we'll sign him and I'm not even sure I want him. My reasoning is that he is the most proven short-yardage back of the group and that's what I want more than anything right now.
Well, Levens is good enough for me. He can step in when needed and carry the ball a little. He can tutor Moats a little. Get Levens!
I've been saying Wheatley since last year and I voted for him again.
I voted for Levens. He can step in and fulfill the role they need right now, and he did a great job last year.
wheatley cant catch a cold...andy would never bring him in
I wasn't even thinking Weatley, but that is not a bad option. He has experiance with the offense under Gruden and is a proven short yardage guy. The Eagles aren't looking for a back who can catch. They're looking for a change of pace back who can block and pound the ball between the tackles. I voted for Weatley, but Dorsey seems like a viable option as well. I hope they get someone soon so that they can get some reps in and contribute if they bring in anyone at all.
Is Marcus Allen available?
:D
Levens is the path of least resistance.
Levens, knows the system, can step right in .
Are people really voting for Wheatley?
Can he catch the ball?
More importantly, isn't he done? finished?
blutol
i'd go with george. downhill runner, doesn't lose (or gain) alot of yards. but we need a short yardage specialist.
George is cooked, at least as a player. I'd go with Dorsey, cause we're not expecting much play out of him, and he knows the system.
The Eagles aren't looking for a back who can catch. They're looking for a change of pace back who can block and pound the ball between the tackles
they arent actively looking for a pass catcher...but believe whoever they bring in will be required to catch...it comes with the offense...one of the reasons dorsey always comes back other than knowing the offense is his ability to execute the screen perfectly
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 01:47:20 PM
I going with no one. Let's see what Moats, Perry, Mahe have. If the FO thinks they can't get the job done, then they'll bring someone else in and I think it will have to be someone who can pick up the offense quickly...a la Mr. Dorsey.
RENO! RENO! RENO! RENO!(as he's sipping his Starbucks double Espresso in a can - oops Mormon no no)
Gimme Dorsey.
I think that you can sign him up and it's solved. You know what he brings. He knows the offense to the tee... can get the short yeardage... knows all the blocking schemes... which most of these other guys would have to learn. Like IGY said, he can still run the screen play well, which is always a plus with us.
As little as he may (or may not) have left in the tank... I'll bet it's more than what George has left.
I just think you open yourself up to mental mistakes with the other guys because they're thinking instead of playing.
We all know it's gonna be Levens anyway. I'm sure Levens' cell phone has already rung with calls from AR.
yea id have to say dorsey will be in anyday now. im cool with dorsey he did great last year IMO.
ive loved what ive seen from moats but if we need insurance i wouldnt mind levens or george.
i know everyone thinks george is washed up but in a limited role he can help. plus he is a hometown boy and is a great leader...something we might need more with the TO fiasco.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 24, 2005, 03:09:02 PM
We all know it's gonna be Levens anyway. I'm sure Levens' cell phone has already rung with calls from AR.
Yep.
I miss Tapeh. Oh well, more Moats/Perry.
I'm surprised Morris hasn't gotten more votes.
He knows the offense, not as well as Levens obviously, but those 3 years in Buffalo's WCO would make his transition much easier than some of those other backs.
He ran for 6 TDs and averaged 4 yards/attempt behind the worst line in the NFL.
He can catch, block, even play some FB...
And unlike Levens, he excels in special teams. In fact, for those who have this unfounded resentment for the great Reno Mahe, that maybe the only way to extricate him from the roster...find a RB who beats him out on teams.
I want someone as good as Buck when healthy. We can't downgrade in a season where it's all or none. Dorsey can't break the big runs. We have no choice after God chose to be such a farging icehole to buck.
Levens because hes already experienced and hopefully Moats gets enough reps to get a 3 back rotation going.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:24:19 PM
I want someone as good as Buck when healthy. We can't downgrade in a season where it's all or none. Dorsey can't break the big runs. We have no choice after God chose to be such a farging icehole to buck.
The Eagles got to the farging super bowl last year without him, are you serious? Downgrade from WHAT? From Buckhalter on the IR last year? ::)
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 24, 2005, 03:15:06 PM
i know everyone thinks george is washed up but in a limited role he can help. plus he is a hometown boy and is a great leader...something we might need more with the TO fiasco.
I'm with ya, Retard.
I'm the other guy who voted for Sammy Morris. Levens has experience with the offense, but I think he may be washed up.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 01:48:59 PM
Get Levens!
I thought I'd never see that around here again... ;)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:24:19 PM
I want someone as good as Buck when healthy. We can't downgrade in a season where it's all or none. Dorsey can't break the big runs. We have no choice after God chose to be such a farging icehole to buck.
The Eagles got to the farging super bowl last year without him, are you serious? Downgrade from WHAT? From Buckhalter on the IR last year? ::)
Downgrade from what he brings when he's healthy. When he's healthy we all saw what we can do. We are going to need to bring in a carbon copy of that. Someone besides Westbrook who can break 30/40 yard runs. Dorsey can't do that.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 24, 2005, 03:16:53 PM
I miss Tapeh.
What's the deal with him? Is he out for the career or what?
And exactly WHEN have we seen him healthy before? Once in the last 3 years, so how in the farg are we downgrading from a guy who hasn't played?
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:29:13 PM
Downgrade from what he brings when he's healthy. When he's healthy we all saw what we can do. We are going to need to bring in a carbon copy of that. Someone besides Westbrook who can break 30/40 yard runs. Dorsey can't do that.
This! This right here is what drives me insane about Buckhalter fans. Jesus man, he hasn't done anything since 2003 when he was part of a 3-back rotation. The last time he even had a shot at maybe kind of being the starter was his rookie year. Stop living in the past! Buckhalter hasn't done anything for this team in years.
whats with all the 'fargs'
Let me explain again.
I just said downgrade from what he brings when HEALTHY. Dorsey isn't frickin good enough to help our running game. I don't care what he did during the season. Any RB named Joe is going to do what Dorsey did behind this offensive line and under this quality offensive scheme that the coaches put together. If you can't comprehend that, then I will sum it up for you in short. Dorsey isn't good enough, we need a RB who can break big runs besides Westbrook. Last year the Pats shut down Westbrook and no one else on the team could break a big run. Dorsey is too slow, and not explosive enough. If we go into the season with Dorsey again then we will not be equipped to defeat the Pats.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:24:19 PM
I want someone as good as Buck when healthy.
Buckhalter 2 seasons rushing with Eagles: 4.4 ypc
Levens 2 seasons rushing with Eagles: 4.95 ypc
That's nice Murp, forget about Buck's injuries for a second. Who would you rather have between a healthy Buckhalter or a healthy Levens?
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
WTF dreamworld are you LIVING in? :boom
IGY...posts like the one above is what brings out the Fargs.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:35:41 PM
That's nice Murp, forget about Buck's injuries for a second. Who would you rather have between a healthy Buckhalter or a healthy Levens?
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
But this is completely hypothetical. Yes, everyone would rather have a healthy Buck over a healthy Levens, BUT IT WONT HAPPEN. Yes we are aware that Buckhalter WHEN HEALTHY is better then Levens. But he is never healthy.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 24, 2005, 03:16:53 PM
I miss Tapeh.
What's the deal with him? Is he out for the career or what?
Could be, but he sure as hell ain't playing this year.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:35:41 PM
That's nice Murp, forget about Buck's injuries for a second. Who would you rather have between a healthy Buckhalter or a healthy Levens?
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
You can't even guarantee that a healthy Buckhalter this year would have been equivalent to a health Buck from 2003.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:35:41 PM
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
How on Earth is it irrelevant? Are you retarded?
"Would you rather have a hospital patient or a healthy athlete on the football field with your team?"
It's assinine to ask that question. Dorsey blocks better, catches better, IS HEALTHY and has a higher YPC avg than Buckhalter. Who would anyone in their right mind rather have? Oh right, they guy who has played as a part time back for 2 out of the five years of his career. WooHoo! Buckhalter rules!
Christ.
GET AMP LEE!
GET ERIC BIENEMY!
By the way, you all are crazy!
GET CHRIS WARREN!
Just pretend for one minute that Buckhalter didn't hurt his knee, and was going to play this entire season healthy. Can you do that for a minute? Now if he is healthy, we can assume he is going to perform and put up numbers similiar to his 2003 season. Just based on his ability alone. OK, so that production is greater than anything Dorsey can bring. Now, we know Buckhalter is hurt. So we need to replace the production a healthy Buckhalter would've given the team because that would've been greater than anything Dorsey will give us. I really can't explain it any better than that. Yes, I know Buckhalter IS hurt, but just say he was healthy, he would've given us worlds better production than Dorsey could ever give at his age. Now that Buckhalter IS hurt, we need to replace that big play ability that Levens does not have.
I barf on both MURP and Lad's last 2 posts.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 03:40:03 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:35:41 PM
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
How on Earth is it irrelevant? Are you retarded?
"Would you rather have a hospital patient or a healthy athlete on the football field with your team?"
It's assinine to ask that question. Dorsey blocks better, catches better, IS HEALTHY and has a higher YPC avg than Buckhalter. Who would anyone in their right mind rather have? Oh right, they guy who has played as a part time back for 2 out of the five years of his career. WooHoo! Buckhalter rules!
Christ.
:yay
GET REFRIGERATOR PERRY!
Get me my gun. I'm going to put you all out of my misery.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:41:44 PM
Just pretend for one minute that Buckhalter didn't hurt his knee, and was going to play this entire season healthy. Can you do that for a minute?
no, in fact I cannot. I've been saying for a while now that CBUCK is a waste of time. He used to have potential, but after that 2nd knee injury he was as good as gone in my book.
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 24, 2005, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:35:41 PM
That's nice Murp, forget about Buck's injuries for a second. Who would you rather have between a healthy Buckhalter or a healthy Levens?
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
But this is completely hypothetical. Yes, everyone would rather have a healthy Buck over a healthy Levens, BUT IT WONT HAPPEN. Yes we are aware that Buckhalter WHEN HEALTHY is better then Levens. But he is never healthy.
I know it's hypothetical, that was the whole point. We need to be hypothetical here. This whole issue isn't even about Buckhalter. It's about Dorsey not being good enough. Buckhalter is only being used as a comparison here. We need to bring in a RB that can play like a healthy Buckhalter basically.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:41:44 PM
Just pretend for one minute that Buckhalter didn't hurt his knee, and was going to play this entire season healthy. Can you do that for a minute? Now if he is healthy, we can assume he is going to perform and put up numbers similiar to his 2003 season.
That's just it! How can you
assume that a guy on 2 surgically repaired knees is gonna give you the same thing he did before he hurt them? You can't. We have NO IDEA what Buck was gonna bring to the table this year. All we were hoping for was that he could stay on the field and pick up short yardage while giveing Westbrook a breather. Anything more than that was gravy.
We already have Mahe on the farging roster!
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:41:44 PM
Just pretend for one minute that Buckhalter didn't hurt his knee, and was going to play this entire season healthy. Can you do that for a minute? Now if he is healthy, we can assume he is going to perform and put up numbers similiar to his 2003 season. Just based on his ability alone. OK, so that production is greater than anything Dorsey can bring. Now, we know Buckhalter is hurt. So we need to replace the production a healthy Buckhalter would've given the team because that would've been greater than anything Dorsey will give us. I really can't explain it any better than that. Yes, I know Buckhalter IS hurt, but just say he was healthy, he would've given us worlds better production than Dorsey could ever give at his age. Now that Buckhalter IS hurt, we need to replace that big play ability that Levens does not have.
Hey! Broken record! Buckhalter doesn't have any big play ability. He's got farging feta cheese for knees.
"Go to your happy place and pretend that Buckhalter has any value and then pretend that Dorsey has no value and then you'll see my point. Yay! I want to go to Hawaii! Yay!"
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 24, 2005, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:35:41 PM
That's nice Murp, forget about Buck's injuries for a second. Who would you rather have between a healthy Buckhalter or a healthy Levens?
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
But this is completely hypothetical. Yes, everyone would rather have a healthy Buck over a healthy Levens, BUT IT WONT HAPPEN. Yes we are aware that Buckhalter WHEN HEALTHY is better then Levens. But he is never healthy.
I know it's hypothetical, that was the whole point. We need to be hypothetical here. This whole issue isn't even about Buckhalter. It's about Dorsey not being good enough. Buckhalter is only being used as a comparison here. We need to bring in a RB that can play like a healthy Buckhalter basically.
Wow, you are far more deluded than I thought. I'm done attempting conversation with you. This last post gave me a headache from it's stupidity.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:44:04 PM
I know it's hypothetical, that was the whole point. We need to be hypothetical here. This whole issue isn't even about Buckhalter. It's about Dorsey not being good enough. Buckhalter is only being used as a comparison here. We need to bring in a RB that can play like a healthy Buckhalter basically.
Dorsey not being good enough? He has to replace HIS STATS FROM LAST YEAR, not Buckhalter's. We dont need to replace Buckhalter's "big play ability" because WE HAVENT HAD IT.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:35:41 PM
That's nice Murp, forget about Buck's injuries for a second. Who would you rather have between a healthy Buckhalter or a healthy Levens?
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:41:44 PM
Just pretend for one minute that Buckhalter didn't hurt his knee, and was going to play this entire season healthy. Can you do that for a minute? Now if he is healthy, we can assume he is going to perform and put up numbers similiar to his 2003 season. Just based on his ability alone. OK, so that production is greater than anything Dorsey can bring. Now, we know Buckhalter is hurt. So we need to replace the production a healthy Buckhalter would've given the team because that would've been greater than anything Dorsey will give us. I really can't explain it any better than that. Yes, I know Buckhalter IS hurt, but just say he was healthy, he would've given us worlds better production than Dorsey could ever give at his age. Now that Buckhalter IS hurt, we need to replace that big play ability that Levens does not have.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 24, 2005, 03:37:59 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:35:41 PM
That's nice Murp, forget about Buck's injuries for a second. Who would you rather have between a healthy Buckhalter or a healthy Levens?
Just forget about the damn injury for a second it's irrelevant.
But this is completely hypothetical. Yes, everyone would rather have a healthy Buck over a healthy Levens, BUT IT WONT HAPPEN. Yes we are aware that Buckhalter WHEN HEALTHY is better then Levens. But he is never healthy.
I know it's hypothetical, that was the whole point. We need to be hypothetical here. This whole issue isn't even about Buckhalter. It's about Dorsey not being good enough. Buckhalter is only being used as a comparison here. We need to bring in a RB that can play like a healthy Buckhalter basically.
Monster has said similar things in similar posts. You want someone in the backfield like a Shaun Alexander or LaDanian Tomlinson.
ANY running back in the NFL who has a roster spot can break a 40 yard run if it presents itself. You don't seem to have a good understanding of how this works. Whoever comes in will be a situational back. That means no big-dollar, top of the line running backs. Reid has never wanted one, never will. So can it. You can't what if that shtein. If Buckhalter was healthy he would out-perform Dorsey? WELL HE IS NOT HEALTHY. Dorsey is. Answer this, who will put up more yards
this season Levens or Buckhalter? I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. How many yards did Buckhalter have last year? How many carries? TDs? What about Levens' stat lines? OH shtein. Looks like Levens was better last year, and I'd bet he'll still be better than C-Buck this year.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:44:04 PM
This whole issue isn't even about Buckhalter. It's about Dorsey not being good enough. Buckhalter is only being used as a comparison here. We need to bring in a RB that can play like a healthy Buckhalter basically.
I just showed you that Dorsey ran for almost 1/2 yard more per carry than Buckhalter did when he was with the Eagles.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet, I bet you Dorsey's been calling Reid once a week since Buck hurt himself.
Listen fellas, this issue isn't about Buckhalter. Buckhalter is gone for the season, he is done. Now I am only using Buckhalter HYPOTHETICALLY. You can assume he will be healthy when you are talking hypothetically. We need a back that we can bring in, that would give us the same production Buckhalter would give us if he was healthy. Do you understand what I am trying to say?
If you can't understand that still then the only left thing I can say is. We need a RB who can get 800 yards and 9 TDs, that can break a big run in a 3 back rotation.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:47:50 PM
If you can't understand that still then the only left thing I can say is. We need a RB who can get 800 yards and 9 TDs, that can break a big run in a 3 back rotation.
Is that what you envisioned coming out of Buckhalter this year? Are you smoking crack now too? Crack smoker.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:47:50 PM
Listen fellas, this issue isn't about Buckhalter. Buckhalter is gone for the season, he is done. Now I am only using Buckhalter HYPOTHETICALLY. You can assume he will be healthy when you are talking hypothetically. We need a back that we can bring in, that would give us the same production Buckhalter would give us if he was healthy. Do you understand what I am trying to say?
If you can't understand that still then the only left thing I can say is. We need a RB who can get 800 yards and 9 TDs, that can break a big run in a 3 back rotation.
Dude, we didn't have anybody to get 800 yards and 9 TD's on the roster even before Buckhalter got hurt. If we did, you can bet your ass that it was Westbrook... not Buck.
But, since we're talking HYPOTHETICALLY, I'm gonna assume that Levens is gonna come in here and run for 1500 yards and 14 TD's. How's that? Hypothetically, of course.
Why do we need to replace Bucky's hypothetical big-play production? It's quite possible, in fact probable, that as the season goes on, Moats will see more and more of the ball, and I believe he can break a big run or two.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:47:50 PM
We need a RB who can get 800 yards and 9 TDs, that can break a big run in a 3 back rotation.
yet Buckhalter never had more than 586 rushing yards in a season.
Quote from: Larry on August 24, 2005, 03:51:08 PM
Why do we need to replace Bucky's hypothetical big-play production? It's quite possible, in fact probable, that as the season goes on, Moats will see more and more of the ball, and I believe he can break a big run or two.
No way dude. Hypothetically Moats is slow and fat in actual regular season games.
Hypothetically speaking I could stab you all in the face with a pen and then snack on your delicious brains. But instead I'll just do this:
(http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00175/Jessica_Alba__tatt__175740m.jpg)
Hypothetically, I'm revolted by that pic and just the thought of Jessica's ass in my hands is utterly disgusting.
Hypothetically. ;D
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 24, 2005, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:47:50 PM
Listen fellas, this issue isn't about Buckhalter. Buckhalter is gone for the season, he is done. Now I am only using Buckhalter HYPOTHETICALLY. You can assume he will be healthy when you are talking hypothetically. We need a back that we can bring in, that would give us the same production Buckhalter would give us if he was healthy. Do you understand what I am trying to say?
If you can't understand that still then the only left thing I can say is. We need a RB who can get 800 yards and 9 TDs, that can break a big run in a 3 back rotation.
Dude, we didn't have anybody to get 800 yards and 9 TD's on the roster even before Buckhalter got hurt. If we did, you can bet your ass that it was Westbrook... not Buck.
But, since we're talking HYPOTHETICALLY, I'm gonna assume that Levens is gonna come in here and run for 1500 yards and 14 TD's. How's that? Hypothetically, of course.
You can't assume that because he hasn't done that, I don't think ever. Buckhalter would've matched his 2003 numbers this year if he was healthy. What would've stopped him? The 800 was a typo by the way I meant 700, but I think a healthy Buck would've given us something like 670 rushing yards and 8 TDs. With 2 or 3 30+ yard runs. I have no reason not to believe it. He looked great in camp. He showed no signs or lingering from the injury. The only issue with Buck is staying on the field. The previous injuries don't hurt his game. If they did, then how did he bounce back in 03 from a torn ACL?
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:47:50 PM
Listen fellas, this issue isn't about Buckhalter. Buckhalter is gone for the season, he is done. Now I am only using Buckhalter HYPOTHETICALLY. You can assume he will be healthy when you are talking hypothetically. We need a back that we can bring in, that would give us the same production Buckhalter would give us if he was healthy. Do you understand what I am trying to say?
If you can't understand that still then the only left thing I can say is. We need a RB who can get 800 yards and 9 TDs, that can break a big run in a 3 back rotation.
Here's the thing. Buck hasn't given the Eagles a single yard or td since 2003. He wasn't on the field last year. So how can the Eagles need to replace his production if he wasn't there to produce? They brought in Levens last year to replace Buck and he did a fine job. So if anything, we need to replace Dorsey's production. And they can do that by bringing back........guess who?.........Dorsey Levens.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:59:08 PM
The previous injuries don't hurt his game. If they did, then how did he bounce back in 03 from a torn ACL?
Holy shtein. My brain is going to explode if I keep readin this crap. Past injuries didn't effect him? 670 yards and 8 TDs? He never even topped 600 before. And his injured knee is hurt in the EXACT SAME PLACE IT WAS LAST YEAR! That means, for those too cracked out to understand, that his past injuries have indeed effected him. Put down the pipe and call your sponsor. Time to get back on the wagon. Dink.
This thread makes me laugh.
I don't even really care about Buck, I just want a big-play threat a RB. It just so happens I think Buck would've given us that. Rjs, I understand your frustration, but with the Eagles supposedly adding a bunch of new running plays to the play book, combined with me thinking they will run more this year than last year, I think 670 and 8 TDs, it obtainable. If you don't agree, then fine, but I am extremely high on the guy's ability.
So forgetting about Buck for a sec, Sarg, I don't think Dorsey gives us enough. Westbrook can get dinged up as well. If he goes down, I don't like Levens being the guy. We need one more big-play threat in there. Moats is only a rookie, he has the potential, but we need a sure thing in there right now. Dorsey Levens doesn't have enough big play ability for my liking. By big play I mean breaking long runs. Dorsey is a guy who you bring in on short yardage situations and he'll give you a first down. We need more than that. We need dual threats at RB to break big runs. Especially a guy who is good between the tackles.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:59:08 PM
You can't assume that because he hasn't done that, I don't think ever.
Wrong again.
In 1997 he rushed for 1435 yards and 7 touchdowns along with 370 receiving yards and 5 td's giving him a grand total of 1805 yards and 12 td's.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 24, 2005, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:47:50 PM
Listen fellas, this issue isn't about Buckhalter. Buckhalter is gone for the season, he is done. Now I am only using Buckhalter HYPOTHETICALLY. You can assume he will be healthy when you are talking hypothetically. We need a back that we can bring in, that would give us the same production Buckhalter would give us if he was healthy. Do you understand what I am trying to say?
If you can't understand that still then the only left thing I can say is. We need a RB who can get 800 yards and 9 TDs, that can break a big run in a 3 back rotation.
Dude, we didn't have anybody to get 800 yards and 9 TD's on the roster even before Buckhalter got hurt. If we did, you can bet your ass that it was Westbrook... not Buck.
But, since we're talking HYPOTHETICALLY, I'm gonna assume that Levens is gonna come in here and run for 1500 yards and 14 TD's. How's that? Hypothetically, of course.
You can't assume that because he hasn't done that, I don't think ever. Buckhalter would've matched his 2003 numbers this year if he was healthy. What would've stopped him? The 800 was a typo by the way I meant 700, but I think a healthy Buck would've given us something like 670 rushing yards and 8 TDs. With 2 or 3 30+ yard runs. I have no reason not to believe it. He looked great in camp. He showed no signs or lingering from the injury. The only issue with Buck is staying on the field. The previous injuries don't hurt his game. If they did, then how did he bounce back in 03 from a torn ACL?
Not true. In 1997 he ran for 1435 yards and totaled 12 TD's. Hypothetically, he can repeat that performance right? Doesn't mean he will. Why? Because it was almost a decade ago. Similar situation with Buck. Not that he's a decade older but trying to have the same production on what's now to two busted knees... you can't just expect that not to hamper a guy's production. If we were talking about him breaking his hands or forearm or something, then I maybe I can see where you're coming from. But this guy's knees are SHOT. Plain and simple. He's NEVER gonna get that type of production again. Well, at least untill Dorsey puts up 1500 more yards.
Running for 1500 yards and 14 TDs, it a lot different than having 1800 yards and 12 yards total man. You didn't say total yardage.
lol, you act as if big play RB's who are young, healthy, and are good in every phase of the game are just all over the place.
It is rare to find a guy that is both big in size, an excellent blocker and runner between the tackles, AND a "big play threat". That's what Merril Hoge(kins Disease) would call a "factor back".
The Eagles already have one proven "big play threat" at RB in Westbrook and another they drafted to be just that (but not quite as good a receiver and a better runner between the tackles) in Moats. So, Monster, who would you have them bring in to be more of a "big play threat" that is available?
P.S. MURP's making the exact same point more concisely. Feel free to answer either him or me. I can't wait to see what gems you come up with.
Quote from: MURP on August 24, 2005, 04:09:25 PM
lol, you act as if big play RB's who are young, healthy, and are good in every phase of the game are just all over the place.
Thanks for saving me the keystrokes.
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Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 24, 2005, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 03:47:50 PM
Listen fellas, this issue isn't about Buckhalter. Buckhalter is gone for the season, he is done. Now I am only using Buckhalter HYPOTHETICALLY. You can assume he will be healthy when you are talking hypothetically. We need a back that we can bring in, that would give us the same production Buckhalter would give us if he was healthy. Do you understand what I am trying to say?
If you can't understand that still then the only left thing I can say is. We need a RB who can get 800 yards and 9 TDs, that can break a big run in a 3 back rotation.
Dude, we didn't have anybody to get 800 yards and 9 TD's on the roster even before Buckhalter got hurt. If we did, you can bet your ass that it was Westbrook... not Buck.
But, since we're talking HYPOTHETICALLY, I'm gonna assume that Levens is gonna come in here and run for 1500 yards and 14 TD's. How's that? Hypothetically, of course.
You can't assume that because he hasn't done that, I don't think ever. Buckhalter would've matched his 2003 numbers this year if he was healthy. What would've stopped him? The 800 was a typo by the way I meant 700, but I think a healthy Buck would've given us something like 670 rushing yards and 8 TDs. With 2 or 3 30+ yard runs. I have no reason not to believe it. He looked great in camp. He showed no signs or lingering from the injury. The only issue with Buck is staying on the field. The previous injuries don't hurt his game. If they did, then how did he bounce back in 03 from a torn ACL?
Not true. In 1997 he ran for 1435 yards and totaled 12 TD's. Hypothetically, he can repeat that performance right? Doesn't mean he will. Why? Because it was almost a decade ago. Similar situation with Buck. Not that he's a decade older but trying to have the same production on what's now to two busted knees... you can't just expect that not to hamper a guy's production. If we were talking about him breaking his hands or forearm or something, then I maybe I can see where you're coming from. But this guy's knees are SHOT. Plain and simple. He's NEVER gonna get that type of production again. Well, at least untill Dorsey puts up 1500 more yards.
Oh, cmon man let's get real here. If Buckhalter stays on the field, him repeating those numbers are a lock. 2003 is not the "same thing" as 1997. One is 7/8 years ago and the other is 2 years ago. It's much easier to shake off an injury year and come back and play great than it is to shake off veteran rust.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:06:31 PM
We need more than that. We need dual threats at RB to break big runs. Especially a guy who is good between the tackles.
yeah, Andy Reid is an idiot for not trading for Ladainian Tomlinson.
And Reid has publically stated he wants to throw as many "Westbrooks" as he can at a defense. So he clearly could give a rats ass about a "big-play RB" because what he really wants out of his RBs is to create mismatches against LBs and S in the passing game.
Reid will never willing be a 50:50 mix of run:pass. He did it in 2003 out of necessity.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:06:31 PMDorsey is a guy who you bring in on short yardage situations and he'll give you a first down. We need more than that. We need dual threats at RB to break big runs. Especially a guy who is good between the tackles.
I thought the issue was that we wanted someone for those short-yardage situations, not to break "big runs" since we have that already in Moats/Perry?
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:06:31 PM
I don't even really care about Buck, I just want a big-play threat a RB. It just so happens I think Buck would've given us that. Rjs, I understand your frustration, but with the Eagles supposedly adding a bunch of new running plays to the play book, combined with me thinking they will run more this year than last year, I think 670 and 8 TDs, it obtainable. If you don't agree, then fine, but I am extremely high on the guy's ability.
So forgetting about Buck for a sec, Sarg, I don't think Dorsey gives us enough. Westbrook can get dinged up as well. If he goes down, I don't like Levens being the guy. We need one more big-play threat in there. Moats is only a rookie, he has the potential, but we need a sure thing in there right now. Dorsey Levens doesn't have enough big play ability for my liking. By big play I mean breaking long runs. Dorsey is a guy who you bring in on short yardage situations and he'll give you a first down. We need more than that. We need dual threats at RB to break big runs. Especially a guy who is good between the tackles.
Dude, it's called depth. As you progessively go down the depth chart you are going to lose something at each position. NONE of the available runningbacks will bring the "homerun" threat that you are looking for.
Sure Westy could get hurt. He did last year and missed a few games and some guy named Dorsey Levens filled in and the Eagles didn't skip a beat. What do you want the Eagles to do, trade for Priest Holmes? ::)
GET PRIEST HOLMES!
It's a shame Cedric Benson still has not signed. Otherwise, the Eagles could make a trade for Thomas Jones and URLAKKER!! w0ot! holla!
Nah, Priest is just a "scatback". Not big enough, or nearly as productive as Buck would've been.
I don't know why we don't just admit to ourselves that Buckhalter is the best overall RB in the NFL.
You honestly think the Eagles just planned on using Buck for short yardage situations? I think they planned on using him a ton this season running the ball. I know we aren't bringing any big name players in, but Gordon is a better big play threat than Dorsey, and so is Morris. Heck, even bringing Ricky frickin Watters back would have more big play potential than Dorsey. Don't get too carried away with that, I don't want Watters back. Gordon on this team I think could give us 470 yards rushing, 6 TDs, and one or two 30+ yard runs. They aren't huge threats, but better threats than Dorsey. We just need a RB with some juice and some youth. I'm not talking LT here. The Levens story has been read twice already. We know how it ends.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:11:18 PM
Oh, cmon man let's get real here.
That's the first logical thing you've posted in this thread. Maybe you should stop posting today while you're on a roll.
Backup runningbacks get lots of touchdowns in your imagination.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 04:18:24 PM
Backup runningbacks get lots of touchdowns in your imagination.
Dorsey got 4 TDs last year, you don't think a player like Gordon could get 2 more than that?
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:17:18 PM
I think they planned on using him a ton this season running the ball.
You thought wrong. Really, really wrong. The complete opposite of right.
The longest play, rushing or receiving, of Sammy Morris's NFL career... is 35 yards.
GAMEBREAKER!
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:17:18 PM
We just need a RB with some juice and some youth.
See 77th pick in the 2005 NFL Draft.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:17:18 PM
You honestly think the Eagles just planned on using Buck for short yardage situations? I think they planned on using him a ton this season running the ball.
so much so, that they drafted an RB in the 3rd round.
QuoteGordon on this team I think could give us 470 yards rushing, 6 TDs, and one or two 30+ yard runs.
First you say we have to bring in an RB that can go for 800 yards and 9 TD's... now its 470 yards and 6 TD's. Just about any RB can get you that if given the carries, and Dorsey could do it no problem if given the opportunity.
Am I the only who giggles inwardly when someone says "scatback" :paranoid
Lamar Gordon's longest NFL play, rushing or receiving, is 29 yards (his rookie year with St. Louis). His longest play from scrimmage with the Dolphins? A scorching 11 yards.
I'm going to nickname him "BIG PLAY" Lamar Gordon.
I want a RB that could do 700 and 9, but realistically it won't happen. It would be nice to bring in someone who has that potential in a 3 back rotation like Davenport. He is the name that I want.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 24, 2005, 04:08:41 PM
Not true. In 1997 he ran for 1435 yards and totaled 12 TD's. Hypothetically, he can repeat that performance right? Doesn't mean he will. Why? Because it was almost a decade ago. Similar situation with Buck. Not that he's a decade older but trying to have the same production on what's now to two busted knees... you can't just expect that not to hamper a guy's production. If we were talking about him breaking his hands or forearm or something, then I maybe I can see where you're coming from. But this guy's knees are SHOT. Plain and simple. He's NEVER gonna get that type of production again. Well, at least untill Dorsey puts up 1500 more yards.
Oh, cmon man let's get real here. If Buckhalter stays on the field, him repeating those numbers are a lock. 2003 is not the "same thing" as 1997. One is 7/8 years ago and the other is 2 years ago. It's much easier to shake off an injury year and come back and play great than it is to shake off veteran rust.
I said I wasn't going to say anything more, but holy shtein...this is actually dumber than the last post I responded to. :o
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 24, 2005, 04:22:07 PM
Am I the only who giggles inwardly when someone says "scatback" :paranoid
Nobody else likes scat porn the way you do.
Dorsey Levens has had a running play of 45 yards or more in each of the last 2 seasons he played for the Eagles.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:22:46 PM
I want a RB that could do 700 and 9, but realistically it won't happen. It would be nice to bring in someone who has that potential in a 3 back rotation like Davenport. He is the name that I want.
yeah, and it would be nice to have Walter Payton in his prime. no shtein.
im pretty sure all of us would take Davenport over the rest. obviously.
Quote from: MURP on August 24, 2005, 04:20:30 PM
First you say we have to bring in an RB that can go for 800 yards and 9 TD's... now its 470 yards and 6 TD's. Just about any RB can get you that if given the carries, and Dorsey could do it no problem if given the opportunity.
94 carries 410 yards 4 td's for Levens last year.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2005, 04:24:30 PM
Dorsey Levens has had a running play of 45 yards or more in each of the last 2 seasons he played for the Eagles.
And with that, the last of Monster's points has been smooshed.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2005, 04:24:30 PM
Dorsey Levens has had a running play of 45 yards or more in each of the last 2 seasons he played for the Eagles.
No way! Levens doesn't have "big play" ability. Say it ain't so! ::)
Nooooooo, stop.... Levens stinks he isn't good enough. He is so frickin slow. You guys are sick of the Buckhalter talk, like I am sick of this Levens talk. He is brutal. Levens runs in quick sand I can't take it anymore! :boom
The Packers want the world for Davenport.
They plan on increasing his workload this year and beginning to phase out Ahman Green.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2005, 04:24:30 PM
Dorsey Levens has had a running play of 45 yards or more in each of the last 2 seasons he played for the Eagles.
And with that, the last of Monster's points has been smooshed.
Maybe, but if he was hypthetically on his game, and hypothetically no just spewing crap, he could hypthetically flame your ass to oblivion.
GET AHMAN GREEN!!
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:27:18 PM
Nooooooo, stop.... Levens stinks he isn't good enough. He is so frickin slow. You guys are sick of the Buckhalter talk, like I am sick of this Levens talk. He is brutal. Levens runs in quick sand I can't take it anymore! :boom
<chanting to "tune" of Let's go Flyers!>
DOOR-SEE LEVV-INS! (bum, bum, bumbum, bum!)
DOOR-SEE LEVV-INS! (bum, bum, bumbum, bum!)
DOOR-SEE LEVV-INS! (bum, bum, bumbum, bum!)
Goooooo Dorsey!
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2005, 04:24:30 PM
Dorsey Levens has had a running play of 45 yards or more in each of the last 2 seasons he played for the Eagles.
And with that, the last of Monster's points has been smooshed.
No it's not. Dolphins have NO offensive line. Like I said before, any RB named Joe will come in and do what Levens does. Give some of those other backs a chance with this offensive line. See what they can do. They will out-play Levens' production no problem.
all of your points are debated and this is the nonsense you come up with? :
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:27:18 PM
Nooooooo, stop.... Levens stinks he isn't good enough. He is so frickin slow. You guys are sick of the Buckhalter talk, like I am sick of this Levens talk. He is brutal. Levens runs in quick sand I can't take it anymore! :boom
I think it confirms we are debating a 7 year old.
You're right, screw Dorsey and his 4+ ypc, consistently good blocking, and veteran leadership.
I wanna see more 1.5 yard dives from Mahe! Gooooooooo RENO!
Well, then, if any schmoe can come in and repeat Dorsey's numbers, why sign anyone? We can just go with Reno and Bruce.
Quote from: MURP on August 24, 2005, 04:30:33 PM
all of your points are debated and this is the nonsense you come up with? :
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:27:18 PM
Nooooooo, stop.... Levens stinks he isn't good enough. He is so frickin slow. You guys are sick of the Buckhalter talk, like I am sick of this Levens talk. He is brutal. Levens runs in quick sand I can't take it anymore! :boom
I think it confirms we are debating a 7 year old.
I feel so dirty.
Would you prefer me to argue until midnight? This has to end at some point. We aren't going to come to an agreement here, and I'm getting a little annoyed with the Levens praising. It was fun to have a nice little debate with you guys, but it has to end at some point.
That's a two-way street man.
I hope you cry and shtein your pants when they announce Levens is coming back. Go stamp your feet and bitch somewhere else.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/300/baby_crying_closeup.jpg)
OK, well since you guys are so set on bringing Levens back... when the Eagles don't bring him back, then what are you going to say? Would you guys actually disagree with the Eagles for once? Say they got Gordon. Would you... I don't know... actually not take their word for it for once? Could it actually happen?
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:29:16 PM
No it's not. Dolphins have NO offensive line. Like I said before, any RB named Joe will come in and do what Levens does. Give some of those other backs a chance with this offensive line. See what they can do. They will out-play Levens' production no problem.
:-D Im not gonna waste my time looking, but im POSITIVE that Morris was JUST signed onto their team. Youre an idiot. He didnt even start for the Dolphins last year. It was his first year. I live in Buffalo. He was on the Bills drafted in 1999 or 2000. He was horrible here.
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 24, 2005, 04:35:21 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:29:16 PM
No it's not. Dolphins have NO offensive line. Like I said before, any RB named Joe will come in and do what Levens does. Give some of those other backs a chance with this offensive line. See what they can do. They will out-play Levens' production no problem.
:-D Im not gonna waste my time looking, but im POSITIVE that Morris was JUST signed onto their team. Youre an idiot. He didnt even start for the Dolphins last year. It was his first year. I live in Buffalo. He was on the Bills drafted in 1999 or 2000. He was horrible here.
I was talking Gordon.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:35:09 PM
OK, well since you guys are so set on bringing Levens back... when the Eagles don't bring him back, then what are you going to say? Would you guys actually disagree with the Eagles for once? Say they got Gordon. Would you... I don't know... actually not take their word for it for once? Could it actually happen?
If they don't bring him back, that's fine. No big deal. You're point was that Levens isn't good enough and our point is that he is good enough for what we need. The end.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 04:37:03 PM
If they don't bring him back, that's fine. No big deal. You're point was that Levens isn't good enough and our point is that he is good enough for what we need. The end.
exactly.
OK, and if the Eagles don't bring him back, then that means that you guys don't agree with me and a professional organization does.
I can't wait to see what happens, because if Levens comes back I am expecting you guys to rip into me for it. Don't worry, I'm prepared for it. 8)
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:36:05 PM
I was talking Gordon.
It doesnt matter whether you were talking about either, Gordon or Morris. His longest play is an amazing 29 yards. Last time I checked, the Rams and Bills offensive line is 100x better then the Dolphins line. What makes you so sure they would do great in this offense?
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:35:09 PM
OK, well since you guys are so set on bringing Levens back... when the Eagles don't bring him back, then what are you going to say? Would you guys actually disagree with the Eagles for once? Say they got Gordon. Would you... I don't know... actually not take their word for it for once? Could it actually happen?
If the Eagles chose someone over Levens then I'm going to trust their decision. Even though I think Levens is the best available option, I'm not even trying to argue that point. You seem to be set on the fact that Levens is the worst possible option and that Buck can't be replaced. And you are wrong on both points. This isn't a difference of opinion, it's a bonafide fact. Jack.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:39:20 PM
OK, and if the Eagles don't bring him back, then that means that you guys don't agree with me and a professional organization does.
I can't wait to see what happens, because if Levens comes back I am expecting you guys to rip into me for it. Don't worry, I'm prepared for it. 8)
Dude, its not about the organization agreeing or disagreeing with us. Could be that they think Levens is just fine but one of the other guys is better. The point is still the same. What he's done in the past justifies him being a viable option now that Buck is officially gone. Jesus.
Monster, all we're saying is that Levens is a perfectly fine option. We are arguing because you said he is horrible. Thats it.
I took it too far by saying he stinks. He doesn't stink. He fits pretty well here, because he can block and pick up short yardage, but I'm just not a big fan. Too slow for my liking.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:50:03 PM
I took it too far by saying he stinks. He doesn't stink. He fits pretty well here, because he can block and pick up short yardage, but I'm just not a big fan. Too slow for my liking.
5 pages of arguing could have been avoided with this post. Butthole.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 04:53:22 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:50:03 PM
I took it too far by saying he stinks. He doesn't stink. He fits pretty well here, because he can block and pick up short yardage, but I'm just not a big fan. Too slow for my liking.
5 pages of arguing could have been avoided with this post. Butthole.
That wouldn't have been fun though.
This thread stinks!! I can't believe I just read the whole thing.
Get Ricky "for who for what" Waters!! ;)
Quote from: Phanatic on August 24, 2005, 05:08:14 PM
This thread stinks!! I can't believe I just read the whole thing.
You know what? YOU stink.
True, but I never pretend otherwise...
Has it been mentioned at all on here that Davenport said the Eagles have contacted his agent about a potential trade for Simon?
Gotta link for that inside info?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 24, 2005, 05:37:36 PM
Gotta link for that inside info?
It was on DNL today Derrick Gunn said that it was reported on a Sirius Satellite Radio interview with Davenport.
Did you see it yourself, or is this second-hand info?
Haha, guess what picture's on the PE.com homepage with headline "Teammates feel for 'Buck'"....
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/BNHEBNLDDADJ/082405-kalu-HP.jpg)
Looks like he smells Davenport....ha ha.....stinky Davenport.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2005, 05:43:04 PM
Did you see it yourself, or is this second-hand info?
Yes I saw it, but D. Gunn got it from one of the guys who they work with.
Hmmmm... Simon for Davenport. I'd have to think about that one. Davenport gets hurt a lot.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 04:35:09 PM
Would you guys actually disagree with the Eagles for once?
It cracks me up when people come here and say this. If you morons would pay some farging attention instead of coming up with lame threads to pass the time between jerk breaks at work you'd see just how often people disagree with things the team does. Some examples:
Dougie Fresh
Thrash
Pinkston
Trotter
Simon
Mahe
Autry
Koy
That surprises me because it was just the other day that people were telling me I have no business to disagree with the Eagles not getting Andre Davis. The Eagles have the best record over the last 5 years, they probably have another name in mind, if they didn't want to give more than a 5th there is a good reason for it, etc. There was even a post by someone the other day that basically said he is going to always trust the Eagles with their moves, and everyone practically agreed. If I never even made a post in this topic, it would've been funny to see every poster drool all over a signing of Lamar Gordon if it happened, and how he was the guy everyone wanted from the beginning. Then if I came in and criticized it, how everyone would jump down my throat for disagreeing with the Eagles.
You have no business operating heavy machinery.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 06:08:18 PM
That surprises me because it was just the other day that people were telling me I have no business to disagree with the Eagles not getting Andre Davis.
Correct. In Davis' case, the FO was right to not give up more than a 5th.
Basically, your argument is that if general opinion on ONE decision is favorable, this board is full of FO spooners.
Joe Banner is a sexy-ass man.
I have to pick a situation where we disagreed, but if you want another one then I'll give it to you. On draft day I ripped the Eagles for taking Patterson because I thought we were deep enough at DT and wanted another position, but I got criticized for disagreeing with the Eagles then too. Those were 2 situations where I was alone or in the minority in an opinion, and both turned out the same way.
Apparently, the Eagles allegedly have been talking to Levens' agent in the off season:
I've been talking to the Eagles the entire offseason," Engelhard said. "At the same time, we're talking to about three other teams as well."
Engelhard said his last conversation with the Eagles was Friday. He declined to identify the other teams who have shown interest in Levens, but he admitted that the Eagles are his client's first choice.
"We're trying to gauge the Eagles' interest because Dorsey obviously enjoyed playing for the Eagles and they are his first choice," Engelhard said. "He's in better shape this year than he was last year. I don't know if Dorsey is their first choice, but I know Dorsey wants to go back there and win a Super Bowl."
The Eagles do not have interest in Troy Hambrick, who was released by the Arizona Cardinals earlier this week.
http://www.philly.com/sports/eagles
I wasn't thrilled about Andrews last year, but after watching him for one half of a regular season game I'm kinda happy to have him around. $200 happy.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 06:12:30 PM
I have to pick a situation where we disagreed, but if you want another one then I'll give it to you. On draft day I ripped the Eagles for taking Patterson because I thought we were deep enough at DT and wanted another position, but I got criticized for disagreeing with the Eagles then too. Those were 2 situations where I was alone or in the minority in an opinion, and both turned out the same way.
So, you're using an even more idiotic instance of your obviously wrong opinion here. Way to go. I don't only speak as the "official sponsor of Mike Patterson" when I say you're a dumb-ass. Grasmanis is toast, Hollis has some major injury history, and the team could not count on Simon being around for 2005 and certainly not beyond. Keep in mind that defensive line depth is extremely important, especially to the Eagles, and also that the Eagles have not been known as a stellar run-stopping team over the last 3-4 years, and picking the best DT on the board made a hell of a lot of sense.
Now, I want to know, because you're so smart... who would you have taken with pick #31?
Reggie Brown is not a valid answer.
Edited:
P.S. It's funny that I don't see any posts from you in this thread (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=15075.0), considering the portion of your statement in bold.
Simon can be eventually re-signed when he lowers his value(no one will pay him what he wants, he has no choice), we have Walker and Rayburn, and Hollis. Those are 4 quality DTs.
Reggie Brown.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 06:21:17 PM
Simon can be eventually re-signed when he lowers his value(no one will pay him what he wants, he has no choice), we have Walker and Rayburn, and Hollis. Those are 4 quality DTs.
Sure, Simon CAN be re-signed, but you really know he will be? Besides, the Eagles had a deal in place to ship him off on draft day, so they were certainly planning on life without Simon.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 06:21:17 PM
Reggie Brown.
Wow, you're so cool. You would have taken him 4 picks earlier than necessary, then.
Who would you have taken with #35?
Patterson!
I thought you meant who would I have taken with the 35th. I misread.
With the 31st pick I would've tried to trade up and get someone else. We had the picks to trade up. Erasmus James is who I wanted. I also wanted Clayton, but the Eagles tried to get up for him, the Ravens wanted him too much.
Sure, because trades magically happen just like 800 yard backup RBs grow on trees.
I kind of agree with Monster.
Dorsey has no future.
I think we should pick up someone who actually has a chance of being with this team in the years to come.
I will be totally frustrated if they go with Dorsey.
It knid of reminds of the situation a few years ago when the eagles just refused to invest any money or draft picks in getting better WRs.
This is the same thing, you need 2 good RB for a season, and considering we are 10 Million under the cap, I wish we would invest in a medium-level FA.
We traded up to 15 the last couple of years, I think we could've been able to do it again. Do I know for sure? No, but neither does anyone else. I never hated the Patterson pick, I was angry at the time because I preferred an end or a WR, but since we got Reggie Brown in the second it lessened I was cool with everything. Everything still comes down to square one, which is I don't want Levens and you do, and I didn't like Patterson at the time and you did. Nothing much more to it than that.
9 pages just to come to that. You suck.
Quote from: methdeez on August 24, 2005, 06:41:17 PM
Dorsey has no future.
Yeah. Thing is, the Eagles aren't looking to pick up the RB of the future here. They're looking for a guy to take 10 carries a game and not farg them up. Levens would fill that role just fine.
From PE.com
QuoteREID: NO RUSH TO ADD AN RB
August 24, 2005
By BOB KENT
Head coach Andy Reid said Wednesday that he is in no rush to add a veteran running back to replace Correll Buckhalter, who underwent season-ending knee surgery on Tuesday.
"We will let the young guys play and see what they can do. Then we will make a decision after that," Reid said in a press conference following practice.
Last season, after Buckhalter was injured in the Aug. 20 preseason game against Baltimore, Reid quickly dialed up veteran Dorsey Levens.
At 6'1, 230 pounds, Levens fit the mold of a bigger, more powerful back like Buckhalter, a guy who could pick up the blitz as well as pick up the tough yard on third-and-1. Levens came in and averaged 4.4 yards on 94 carries and also executed his blocking assignments.
But Reid doesn't seem as quick to pull the trigger at this point.
"We will see how that goes," Reid said. "I have been pleased up to this point with the backs and we will see how things go here."
Without Buckhalter, the backfield is down to four backs -- Brian Westbrook, Reno Mahe, Ryan Moats and Bruce Perry. All four measure in the 5'8 to 5'10, 200-pound range, but only Westbrook and Mahe have regular season game experience.
Westbrook is the "X" factor, the versatile weapon who can do just about everything. Compared favorably to Westbrook, Moats is a playmaking edge runner who has also had success running between the tackles.
"They are different in their own right. Both can be very productive from the backfield," Reid said. "I wouldn't slight [RB] Bruce [Perry] or [RB] Reno [Mahe] on that either. We have four backs that we feel pretty good about."
Mahe spent the past two seasons with the Eagles, impressing on special teams and out of the backfield. He averaged four yards on 23 carries in 2004. Perry, a seventh round selection in the 2004 draft who spent last season on Injured Reserve, has shown flashes during the preseason.
Collectively, the running backs shouldered the workload in the win over Baltimore -- 150 yards on 27 carries. Moats led all the Eagles' backs with 35 yards on four carries, while Mahe rushed three times for 26 yards. Perry added 34 yards on 11 carries, but he also fumbled in the red zone late in the fourth quarter.
Rumor has it William Green of the Browns could be shown the door pretty soon. He looked okay splitting carries with Suggs last year (ruining one of my fantasy picks). I don't know much about him....thoughts on him?
BRING BACK WILBERT MONTGOMERY! :D
Is this still going on? what a farging joke. Kill yourselves.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 08:13:41 PM
Is this still going on?
TO is responsible for this thread. You know what you have to do.
Here's a name that I was just given: Marcel Shipp.
Just an FYI.
I'll stick you calling you PG.
Marcell Shipp? Let's go back to Davenport. I liked that idea better.
Get Ricky Williams! Not only can he get those tough running yards, maybe he can even "mellow out" TO. ;)
Thank God the Eagles have no interest in Troy Hambrick...
1. Davenport
2. Levens
3. Morris
Thats the order of who I want.
Marcel Shipp is interesting, but is he recovered from his dislocated ankle?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 24, 2005, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 24, 2005, 05:37:36 PM
Gotta link for that inside info?
It was on DNL today Derrick Gunn said that it was reported on a Sirius Satellite Radio interview with Davenport.
I hope this is true. I want Najeh Davenport in Philadelphia. I wanted him signed as a FA.
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 05:56:58 PM
Hmmmm... Simon for Davenport. I'd have to think about that one. Davenport gets hurt a lot.
So says the guy with the hard-on for Buckhalter. ::)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 24, 2005, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 24, 2005, 05:37:36 PM
Gotta link for that inside info?
It was on DNL today Derrick Gunn said that it was reported on a Sirius Satellite Radio interview with Davenport.
I hope this is true. I want Najeh Davenport in Philadelphia. I wanted him signed as a FA.
Why would Davenport be talking about him being traded for Simon? And where would they come up with the money Simon is asking for?
If anything, I'd see this as a trade for picks, not Simon
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 24, 2005, 08:10:12 PM
BRING BACK WILBERT MONTGOMERY! :D
He could wear Wynn's #31 while he's rehabbing his high ankle sprain.
At least we can all agree on wanting Davenport. I've decided that I wouldn't trade Simon for him though. We need to be real deep at DT, and Simon has much higher value than a backup RB on a team with 2 other solid backs. If they could work out a contract with Simon then I would ask for Ferguson back with Davenport and I might do that.
As for William Green and Shipp? It would always be nice to have two Willie Greens in Philly, and Green was good in Boston College. The thing about a RB like him is, he could thrive on a team like the Eagles. For one the Eagles are better than the Browns with a better offensive line. Secondly, the Eagles have better coaches so they might be able to utilize him better. I'd take Green. Shipp has been banged up a few times, but I saw a handful of games he was in and he can look impressive sometimes. He looks strong and solid. I wouldn't mind him either. Not sure if he can catch passes though.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 24, 2005, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 24, 2005, 05:37:36 PM
Gotta link for that inside info?
It was on DNL today Derrick Gunn said that it was reported on a Sirius Satellite Radio interview with Davenport.
I hope this is true. I want Najeh Davenport in Philadelphia. I wanted him signed as a FA.
Why would Davenport be talking about him being traded for Simon? And where would they come up with the money Simon is asking for?
If anything, I'd see this as a trade for picks, not Simon
Where did I say anything about Corey Simon? :P
And from the accounts I've read, Davenport never said Simon either. He said the Eagles have asked about him. I believe Gunn speculated it could be for Simon.
But if they did decide that they wanted Simon and came to an agreement with him, I would like to see Davenport and Ferguson in return.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 08:43:35 PM
Where did I say anything about Corey Simon? :P
And from the accounts I've read, Davenport never said Simon either. He said the Eagles have asked about him. I believe Gunn speculated it could be for Simon.
But if they did decide that they wanted Simon and came to an agreement with him, I would like to see Davenport and Ferguson in return.
You didn't, the other post implied that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 08:43:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 24, 2005, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 24, 2005, 05:37:36 PM
Gotta link for that inside info?
It was on DNL today Derrick Gunn said that it was reported on a Sirius Satellite Radio interview with Davenport.
I hope this is true. I want Najeh Davenport in Philadelphia. I wanted him signed as a FA.
Why would Davenport be talking about him being traded for Simon? And where would they come up with the money Simon is asking for?
If anything, I'd see this as a trade for picks, not Simon
Where did I say anything about Corey Simon? :P
And from the accounts I've read, Davenport never said Simon either. He said the Eagles have asked about him. I believe Gunn speculated it could be for Simon.
But if they did decide that they wanted Simon and came to an agreement with him, I would like to see Davenport and Ferguson in return.
Nice thinking, read my post above. 8)
A backup running back for a starting defensive tackle (even a fat lazy farg like Simon)?
Not so much, guys.
Throw in Ferguson like Phreak said and it's on then.
That being said, I would still prefer the usual 4th & 6th round combo for Davenport if Reid & Co. could swing it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 08:43:35 PM
Where did I say anything about Corey Simon? :P
And from the accounts I've read, Davenport never said Simon either. He said the Eagles have asked about him. I believe Gunn speculated it could be for Simon.
But if they did decide that they wanted Simon and came to an agreement with him, I would like to see Davenport and Ferguson in return.
You didn't, the other post implied that.
I wasn't implying anything, I was just going by what he said. Personally, I would do it in a second, if both could reach multi-year deals and something else was added. Though, I think we all know that it is very unlikely.
As far as Shipp is concerned he is a guy that I would not be opposed to, I like the way he runs if he is healthy (seems to be a recurring trend).
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 24, 2005, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 08:43:35 PM
Where did I say anything about Corey Simon? :P
And from the accounts I've read, Davenport never said Simon either. He said the Eagles have asked about him. I believe Gunn speculated it could be for Simon.
But if they did decide that they wanted Simon and came to an agreement with him, I would like to see Davenport and Ferguson in return.
You didn't, the other post implied that.
I wasn't implying anything, I was just going by what he said. Personally, I would do it in a second, if both could reach multi-year deals and something else was added. Though, I think we all know that it is very unlikely.
As far as Shipp is concerned he is a guy that I would not be opposed to, I like the way he runs if he is healthy (seems to be a recurring trend).
LOL...I didn't mean that YOU personally implied it, but that the info YOU got implied it. Oh nevermind. LOL
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 24, 2005, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 08:43:35 PM
Where did I say anything about Corey Simon? :P
And from the accounts I've read, Davenport never said Simon either. He said the Eagles have asked about him. I believe Gunn speculated it could be for Simon.
But if they did decide that they wanted Simon and came to an agreement with him, I would like to see Davenport and Ferguson in return.
You didn't, the other post implied that.
I wasn't implying anything, I was just going by what he said. Personally, I would do it in a second, if both could reach multi-year deals and something else was added. Though, I think we all know that it is very unlikely.
As far as Shipp is concerned he is a guy that I would not be opposed to, I like the way he runs if he is healthy (seems to be a recurring trend).
LOL...I didn't mean that YOU personally implied it, but that the info YOU got implied it. Oh nevermind. LOL
gotcha
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 05:56:58 PM
Hmmmm... Simon for Davenport. I'd have to think about that one. Davenport gets hurt a lot.
So says the guy with the hard-on for Buckhalter. ::)
Atleast he can get a hard-on.
:paranoid
From PFT:
QuoteNO TRUTH TO EAGLES-PACK TRADE RUMORS
Despite rumors of a trade that would send running back Najeh "Dookie" Davenport from Green Bay to Philly, a league source tells us that such a deal will not happen.
Per the source, there are no talks between the Eagles and Packers on a Davenport trade -- and there likely won't be.
Both of the Packers' top two tailbacks, Ahman Green and the aforementioned Count Dookie, are under contract through the 2005 season, and both will be eligible for unrestricted free agency in 2006. It's possible that the team will choose in the long run to make Dookie the running back of the future, and a trade would definitely hamper (pun intended) those plans.
We're told that the Eagles' plan for replacing Correll Buckhalter will be to monitor the waiver wire in the hopes of acquiring a guy without giving up a draft pick. Currently on the market is Amos Zereoue, whom the Eagles tried to pry away from the Steelers several years ago.
Other recognizable names surely will join him, and at this point Philly's plan is to watch and wait.
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 24, 2005, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 05:56:58 PM
Hmmmm... Simon for Davenport. I'd have to think about that one. Davenport gets hurt a lot.
So says the guy with the hard-on for Buckhalter. ::)
Atleast he can get a hard-on.
:paranoid
And you know this how?
:-D
Count dookie. Har. Har. Har.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 09:05:42 PM
From PFT:
QuoteNO TRUTH TO EAGLES-PACK TRADE RUMORS
Despite rumors of a trade that would send running back Najeh "Dookie" Davenport from Green Bay to Philly, a league source tells us that such a deal will not happen.
Per the source, there are no talks between the Eagles and Packers on a Davenport trade -- and there likely won't be.
Both of the Packers' top two tailbacks, Ahman Green and the aforementioned Count Dookie, are under contract through the 2005 season, and both will be eligible for unrestricted free agency in 2006. It's possible that the team will choose in the long run to make Dookie the running back of the future, and a trade would definitely hamper (pun intended) those plans.
We're told that the Eagles' plan for replacing Correll Buckhalter will be to monitor the waiver wire in the hopes of acquiring a guy without giving up a draft pick. Currently on the market is Amos Zereoue, whom the Eagles tried to pry away from the Steelers several years ago.
Other recognizable names surely will join him, and at this point Philly's plan is to watch and wait.
Hard to take any article seriously that refers to the player as Dookie/Count Dookie.
Repeatedly refers to the player as Dookie. Jeez.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 24, 2005, 09:09:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 09:05:42 PM
From PFT:
QuoteNO TRUTH TO EAGLES-PACK TRADE RUMORS
Despite rumors of a trade that would send running back Najeh "Dookie" Davenport from Green Bay to Philly, a league source tells us that such a deal will not happen.
Per the source, there are no talks between the Eagles and Packers on a Davenport trade -- and there likely won't be.
Both of the Packers' top two tailbacks, Ahman Green and the aforementioned Count Dookie, are under contract through the 2005 season, and both will be eligible for unrestricted free agency in 2006. It's possible that the team will choose in the long run to make Dookie the running back of the future, and a trade would definitely hamper (pun intended) those plans.
We're told that the Eagles' plan for replacing Correll Buckhalter will be to monitor the waiver wire in the hopes of acquiring a guy without giving up a draft pick. Currently on the market is Amos Zereoue, whom the Eagles tried to pry away from the Steelers several years ago.
Other recognizable names surely will join him, and at this point Philly's plan is to watch and wait.
Hard to take any article seriously that refers to the player as Dookie/Count Dookie.
Amos Zereoue.................. :puke
Quote from: General_Failure on August 24, 2005, 09:11:00 PM
Repeatedly refers to the player as Dookie. Jeez.
Painful. I do not like the cut of their jib.
A little bit about Marcel Shipp's return from injury this past weekend:
http://www.azcardinals.com/news/news_details.html?iid=3000
jesus...ive never heard someone contradict themselves so much, munster. if u want your fantasy back...turn on the playstation and fargin create him for us. keep us updated on how he does. otherwise just bite the bullet like the rest of us and deal with whoever is left. we did fine last year without buck. this year we have a rookie named moats who has shown great potential in ripping a 40 yrd run. hell even parry looks like he could do it. so calm the farg down. :-D
William Green is less likely to shake loose now that Lee Suggs is "out indefinitely" with a high ankle sprain.
Here's a little bit of a surprising comparison:
Carries RYDS RTDS YPC
2003 Duce Staley 96 463 5 4.8*
2004 Dorsey Levens 94 410 4 4.4
Duce's receptions/receiving yards were much higher in his last year with the Eagles, but he was being counted on to play a much bigger role in the Eagles 2003 passing game than Dorsey was last year, as Westbrook really excelled as a receiver in 2004.
I think Dorsey is the best choice, given his production for the Eagles in two of the last three seasons, and his familiarity with the offense. Oh, and he'll come cheap. Not that Reid will look to run the ball more this year than last, but a three-headed monster of Westbrook/Moats/Levens can be as effective as Westbrook/Staley/Buckhalter.
I hadn't seen any indication of a let-down from Dorsey, and besides--as his agent says "he's in even better shape this year than last year..." :paranoid
Shipp would be ok too, if he came cheaply. Always liked his game.
* By the way, that was also by far Duce's highest season YPC figure of his career, because the Eagles limited his touches to increase his effectiveness. That's the same approached they used and would use with Levens in 2005.
Quote from: mussa on August 24, 2005, 09:32:55 PM
jesus...ive never heard someone contradict themselves so much, munster. if u want your fantasy back...turn on the playstation and fargin create him for us. keep us updated on how he does. otherwise just bite the bullet like the rest of us and deal with whoever is left. we did fine last year without buck. this year we have a rookie named moats who has shown great potential in ripping a 40 yrd run. hell even parry looks like he could do it. so calm the farg down. :-D
I was plenty calm. I'm not the one who took things way out of hand and got offended. I didn't start the argument, I just defended my opinion. The Levens talk just annoyed me after a while. I don't think we did fine last year with Levens. The reason I am concerned is because I think we lost the Superbowl for two reasons: 1) Unable to stop the Pats offensively, and 2) Unable to establish a running game, which got McNabb beat up and pressured which lead to turnovers. Brian is elusive, but the Pats and their great coaching and scheming took Brian out of the game. Brian had 44 yards rushing on 15 attempts and one of his runs was like 22 yards. That means he had 22 yards on 14 carries. Not good at all. If we expect to win a Superbowl then I think we need someone better than Levens in there, that did absolutely nothing in the Superbowl, that's all. Can we get to the Superbowl with Levens? Absolutely. If we face the Pats again, wouldn't you prefer to come more prepared? I would. I'm not worried about him during the season, I'm just worried about the Superbowl. I'd like to have a stronger running game next time around so it just can't be taken out of our game so easily. Levens can play well against average defensive teams, but when you face top-notch defensive teams like the Pats, you need to roll in stacked. I just don't think Levens is that man. If you do then more power to you. I don't.
It's funny how you require a novel in each post to defend your position and the rest of us require a single sentence to send you into a typing frenzy. Doesn't really give off the impression of 'calm.'
A typing frenzy? I think you mean well explained and thought out. I prefer not to give one liners, because whether you agree with my opinions or not, I like to explain myself and back myself up. If one liners work for you then knock yourself out. 90% of your posts are sarcastic humor anyway. Have you even posted why you would want Levens in this offense? I've been pretty calm in not even asking you to back up your side of the argument. I'm content in my opinions.
You don't explain yourself as much as you use circular logic and spout obviously incorrect opinions.
I stated that he would fit into this offense perfectly because he has all the tools we require. And in fact has many that Buck did not possess (blocking, catching, showing up on time to meetings). I don't care if he's on this team or someone else but your assertion that he sucks is completely inaccurate. See, that wasn't so hard.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2005, 10:11:59 PM
You don't explain yourself as much as you use circular logic and spout obviously incorrect opinions.
A little contradictory.
How's that for a one-liner?
Pretty weak.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 10:12:40 PM
I stated that he would fit into this offense perfectly because he has all the tools we require. And in fact has many that Buck did not possess (blocking, catching, showing up on time to meetings). I don't care if he's on this team or someone else but your assertion that he sucks is completely inaccurate. See, that wasn't so hard.
I'm glad you didn't strain yourself. The last thing I wanted was to provoke a typing frenzy.
As for sucking, I already said I was a little too harsh. He doesn't suck(at least in this system), but I think we can do better. We'll find out of the Eagles agree soon enough.
Very weak.
In Reno we trust :paranoid
Quote from: Monster on August 24, 2005, 10:03:12 PM
blah blah blah..........I don't think we did fine last year with Levens. The reason I am concerned is because I think we lost the Superbowl for two reasons: 1) Unable to stop the Pats offensively, and 2) Unable to establish a running game, which got McNabb beat up and pressured which lead to turnovers....... blah blah blah.
Take a step back and look at the stuff you're saying man. Seriously, pretend that you are someone other than you and read this stuff and then see if you can figure out what's wrong with it.
You're flip flopping more than John Kerry. You've gone from wanting a back up RB who could put up 800 yds and 9 td's to wanting 600 yds and 6 tds. Then you wanted a back up RB who was young and fast but Moats isn't the answer because he's a rookie. Now, you've just gone from wanting a back up RB to calling out the starter for being ineffective. Sure, Westy did not have the best game against the Pats. Then again, it's the Pats and they tend to give offenses a tough time, especially with their running game.
Last year the Pats held Bettis to 64 yards (3.8 ypc) in the playoffs. They also held Edge to 39 yards (2.8 ypc).
Let's make this really simple. Who do you want the Eagles to get? Throw a name out there. Any name. Just name someone who you think is going to give the Eagles whatever it is you think that Westy, Levens and Moats can't.
The reason I went from 800 yards to 600 was because I thought Buckhalter had 786 yards or so in 03. I stand corrected. Those were closer to Westbrook's numbers. I always get their stats from that year confused. Almost every name listed here I would rather have than Levens. I would rather have Gordon, Shipp, William Green, and Davenport from the Packers. I think they are all fresher than Levens, provide more of a threat to break a big run than Levens. I think defenses respect them more, and I think they are faster than Levens. I'm not calling out Westbrook, he is arguably my favorite player in the NFL. I'm just saying we need a second option for Westbrook because he is capable of being taken out of his running game. On top of that because he is a little fragile. I don't feel comfortable personally with Levens if Westbrook gets hurt. Also, I didn't say this point yet, but I'm not sure Levens can keep coming back year after year when we call on him and do a repeat of what he's been doing. He's got to completely break down eventually, right? Also it would be nice to have a big play threat or should I say bigger play threat than Levens when we split Westbrook out wide. Moats has potential to have all of these skills, but I'm not counting on a rookie. Not because I don't think he can do it, but just in case. I want to get back to having a 3-headed monster. It was so effective in 2003. I'm just not a fan of Levens. He runs sluggishly, and doesn't have enough speed for me. All of the backs I listed above I would prefer over him and I think are better players. Forget about what they've done in the past. Levens absolutely STUNK with the Giants in 2003. Then he comes here last year and plays better. Those players that I listed IMO would be far more productive here than on their previous teams. I think we have better coaches, schemes, offensive line, on top of having more weapons to open things up for those backs.
You know what? After thinking about it Lamar Gordon isn't good enough for me either. Cross him off my list. Not good enough.
Paragraphs, man. Think about it.
Amos Zeroway is a farging loser.
And it makes me mad that I can't spell his name.
Wow, I missed a lot today. So the paper mache in Buck's knees got wet again, huh? Can they finally end the Buckhalter experiment now?
Monster... I'll give you one thing, you're a resilient MF'er.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 25, 2005, 12:59:54 AM
Paragraphs, man. Think about it.
I was thinking the same thing...I think my eyes are bleeding after reading that long, continuous block of text.
Quote from: Monster on August 25, 2005, 12:53:29 AM
...Lamar Gordon isn't good enough for me either. Cross him off my list. Not good enough.
I couldn't agree with you more. Good call.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 25, 2005, 06:34:55 AM
Monster... I'll give you one thing, you're a resilient MF'er.
I'd say persistant is more accurate. I don't think he's actually had to bounce back from anything, since I don't think he's actually listening to anything anyone else is saying.
Heard last night that the Eagles contacted Dorsey's agent. I think the Birds may wait until roster cuts before signing anyone. Heard a rumor that Stephen Davis down in Carolina may be cut since Carolina will only keep 4 RBs, and they have Foster, Goings, Eric Shelton (rookie), and Rod Smart (return specialist). And with Davis's recent injury...he could be the odd man out.
Geez, I don't know about Davis. Why replace one lingering injury concern with another one? Davis's knee seems very not right.
Davis just had that microfracture surgery. No thanks on him.
It's going to be Dorsey or Gordon, IMO. I think I'd prefer Dorsey over Gordon too.
Levens > Stephen Davis
Davis won't be cut, first of all....and secondly (HYPOTHETICALLY), if he was....why would you want him a year after that kind of surgery?
I didn't say I wanted Davis...just thought it could make things interesting. And if Davis is 100%, he may sign a 1 yr deal for the vet minimum to prove he's healthy....and where better to showcase his talent on a team heading to the Super Bowl again? Also, when healthy, Davis is an excellent receiver and better than average blocker...
Quote"Philadelphia is Dorsey's preference," agent Hadley Englehard said yesterday. Englehard said he spoke to the Eagles about Levens late last week and was awaiting further word. "The ball's in their court," he said.
Englehard said three other teams also were interested in Levens, whom Englehard said is working out in Atlanta, in excellent shape.
Levens isn't an exciting option, but with Westbrook and Moats slated for most of the work, he could fill a role as a short-yardage back. He's familiar with the Birds' intricate offense, and is a solid blocker. A list of other unemployed running backs would include Troy Hambrick, Eddie George and Tyrone Wheatley.
Last night, the Eagles were rumored to have contacted the Packers about Najeh Davenport. But Davenport's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said he believed the rumor was untrue and that Green Bay was not looking to trade the 6-1, 247-pound running back.
From Les Bowen in today's DN.
Quote from: mikey418 on August 25, 2005, 08:35:54 AM
I didn't say I wanted Davis...just thought it could make things interesting. And if Davis is 100%, he may sign a 1 yr deal for the vet minimum to prove he's healthy....and where better to showcase his talent on a team heading to the Super Bowl again? Also, when healthy, Davis is an excellent receiver and better than average blocker...
No thanks.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2005, 08:36:17 AM
Quote"Philadelphia is Dorsey's preference," agent Hadley Englehard said yesterday. Englehard said he spoke to the Eagles about Levens late last week and was awaiting further word. "The ball's in their court," he said.
Englehard said three other teams also were interested in Levens, whom Englehard said is working out in Atlanta, in excellent shape.
Levens isn't an exciting option, but with Westbrook and Moats slated for most of the work, he could fill a role as a short-yardage back. He's familiar with the Birds' intricate offense, and is a solid blocker. A list of other unemployed running backs would include Troy Hambrick, Eddie George and Tyrone Wheatley.
Last night, the Eagles were rumored to have contacted the Packers about Najeh Davenport. But Davenport's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said he believed the rumor was untrue and that Green Bay was not looking to trade the 6-1, 247-pound running back.
From Les Bowen in today's DN.
Someone is going to look at this and think that those are names being tossed around when its actually just a list of some unemployed backs. lol
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2005, 08:36:17 AM
Quote"Philadelphia is Dorsey's preference," agent Hadley Englehard said yesterday. Englehard said he spoke to the Eagles about Levens late last week and was awaiting further word. "The ball's in their court," he said.
Englehard said three other teams also were interested in Levens, whom Englehard said is working out in Atlanta, in excellent shape.
Levens isn't an exciting option, but with Westbrook and Moats slated for most of the work, he could fill a role as a short-yardage back. He's familiar with the Birds' intricate offense, and is a solid blocker. A list of other unemployed running backs would include Troy Hambrick, Eddie George and Tyrone Wheatley.
Last night, the Eagles were rumored to have contacted the Packers about Najeh Davenport. But Davenport's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said he believed the rumor was untrue and that Green Bay was not looking to trade the 6-1, 247-pound running back.
From Les Bowen in today's DN.
Are they really planning on Moats being that involved in the offense?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 25, 2005, 08:41:49 AM
Are they really planning on Moats being that involved in the offense?
Yes. He will probably get about 10-12 touches/game (about half of what Westbrook will/should get).
I love the fact that they're looking at involving Moats a lot.
Reid is bucking his trend of not using rooks a lot (if Moats & Brown see a lot of time).
Moats is going to be a stud, IMO. I love the fact that he runs inside the tackles well.
Imagine this:
LJ @ TE
TO & Greg Lewis @ WR
Westbrook flanked out in the slot
Moats @ RB
When you spread the field like that, who does a defense cover? Cover Westbrook and TO is singled up. Cover every receiver and you run a draw to Moats and the defenses splits are so wide that Moats can eat a cheeseburger while running down the field.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2005, 08:46:52 AM
Reid is bucking his trend of not using rooks a lot (if Moats & Brown see a lot of time).
It's kind of by necessity, though. If Pinkston & Buck were healthy, they wouldn't see nearly as much action. Still, he'd be quicker to add someone (a la Antonio Freeman or Levens) if he didn't feel the rooks were ahead of the learning curve.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2005, 08:46:52 AM
Moats can eat a cheeseburger while running down the field.
Mmmm... cheeseburgers... :drool
QuoteThe most productive back available on the street is Troy Hambrick, who was released by Arizona earlier in the week. Hambrick, 6-1, 233, spent his first four years with Dallas and gained 932 yards in 2003. He has the size the team needs and can also catch the ball, important in Reid's West Coast offense.
One personnel man familiar with Hambrick said not to count on him coming to the Eagles. "I wouldn't touch that guy, and I doubt (the Eagles) would," he said. "He's not a bad player, but I wouldn't go near him. Why do you think Arizona got rid of him?"
Miami is ridiculously deep at running back, with first-round draft pick Ronnie Brown, the new Ricky Williams, Travis Minor, Sammy Morris, 6-0, 220, and Lamar Gordon, 6-1, 228, and perilously thin everywhere else.
Reportedly, the Dolphins are looking to move Gordon, who they acquired from St. Louis last year for a third-round pick. It's doubtful they would get a third-round pick back for Gordon, but could recoup a lower-round pick and/or a player.
"(Gordon) is a guy you are always waiting to play the way you think he can," the personnel man said. "I guess he's OK if you're not going to use him too much."
In the Sporting News Scouting Guide, Gordon received a 6.5 rating, which was lower than the one it gave Mahe (6.7). It praised his versatility and change-of-direction skills, but worried about his durability. He missed most of last season with injury.
"(Morris) is a better fit for (the Eagles)," the personnel man added. Morris received a 6.8 grade and is considered someone who could play running back and fullback. It mentioned his good vision and change of direction skills, but pointed out his lack of speed and elusiveness.
The Eagles will watch Mahe and Perry closely tomorrow night in their preseason game against Cincinnati and make their decision from there.
"We'll see how it goes," Reid said. "We've been pleased with the backs we have."
This is from Eckel...
And all of the names mentioned are players I can't imagine the Eagles thinking of picking up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2005, 08:46:52 AM
I love the fact that they're looking at involving Moats a lot.
Reid is bucking his trend of not using rooks a lot (if Moats & Brown see a lot of time).
Moats is going to be a stud, IMO. I love the fact that he runs inside the tackles well.
I agree. I think these rooks are just showing a great understanding for the system at this point so AR feels a little more comfortable with them to make plays.
Maybe AR is gonna get the chance to throw some "fastballs" like JJ does.
I've thought all along there's an outside chance of getting Morris, but if someone is acquired, I still find it much more likely that it would be Levens. Lamar Gordon is a no go, especially if the Eagles would have to give up anything more than a conditional 5th rounder. I think he's MAYBE worth a 6th rounder. MAYBE.
The fact is that Levens is probably the best fit, especially if the Eagles are planning to use Moats in a 2nd-string capacity. Basically, you're talking about a guy that can handle 5-7 touches a game, block, get a couple of tough yards. With Levens, you could get all that easy (especially if he's really stayed in shape), and you don't have to give up a draft pick.
All that said, the team unfortunately needs Mahe at PR right now, with Wynn out. I want to see if B. Perry brings anything to the table against the Bengals. Chances are that Levens will still be out there and that a couple other possibilities will shake loose as the cuts progress.
At least they're already in better shape than they were last year when Buck went down.
A bit off-topic, but I hate having Reno as the Eagles punt returner. He'll secure the punt, which is the most important thing...but, he is not a threat for more than a five yard return. He does a nice job on the other special teams units and is at least sure-handed as a PR...but, having him back there is about as exciting as having someone fair catch every punt.
Hope Wynn can return quickly.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 25, 2005, 09:17:38 AM
A bit off-topic, but I hate having Reno as the Eagles punt returner. He'll secure the punt, which is the most important thing...but, he is not a threat for more than a five yard return. He does a nice job on the other special teams units and is at least sure-handed as a PR...but, having him back there is about as exciting as having someone fair catch every punt.
Hope Wynn can return quickly.
Thank you captain obvious. Even Spadaro admits that. Ha.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 25, 2005, 09:17:38 AM
A bit off-topic, but I hate having Reno as the an Eagles punt returner. He'll secure the punt, which is the most important thing...but, he is not a threat for more than a five yard return. He does a nice job on the other special teams units and is at least sure-handed as a PR...but, having him back there on the team is about as exciting as having someone fair catch every punt.
Hope Wynn can return quickly.
Fixed.
:-D
Ok, that's what I really meant but was sugar-coating it.
Buckhalter had 129 carries his rookie year, so I think it's not a stretch to believe Moats should get around that.
Quote from: Larry on August 25, 2005, 09:26:47 AM
Buckhalter had 129 carries his rookie year, so I think it's not a stretch to believe Moats should get around that.
I would be a little bit surprised if he gets that many, but pleasantly surprised assuming he is capable of running between the tackles more effectively than Westbrook.
I dont even understand why Troy Hambricks name ever comes up. The guy is a TURD. He is an average RB and his attitude is grade F. Just remember the rift between he and Emmitt. Or the time he weighed like 260lbs coming into Dallas Camp. Then he screws around in Arizona by not attending workouts among other issues. He shouldnt even be in the NFL.
Quote from: Larry on August 25, 2005, 09:26:47 AM
Buckhalter had 129 carries his rookie year, so I think it's not a stretch to believe Moats should get around that.
He'll get over 150.
Uh, didn't Westbrook only have like 177 last year?
Quote from: MURP on August 25, 2005, 09:40:31 AM
I dont even understand why Troy Hambricks name ever comes up. The guy is a TURD. He is an average RB and his attitude is grade F. Just remember the rift between he and Emmitt. Or the time he weighed like 260lbs coming into Dallas Camp. Then he screws around in Arizona by not attending workouts among other issues. He shouldnt even be in the NFL.
Boom goes the dynamite.
You're right on. I hate Hambrick. He fargin reeks.
Plus his brother is a bona fide douchebag too (Darren Hambrick)
Quote from: rjs246 on August 25, 2005, 09:44:20 AM
Uh, didn't Westbrook only have like 177 last year?
Ok, I meant over 150 TOUCHES. I guess you can't really compare to Buckhalter's rookie season, because the Eagles (for obvious reasons) didn't really use Buckhalter as a receiver much. Moats will probably get around the same amount of carries, but will also get 1-2 passes per game.
QuoteEagles looking for RB?
By REUBEN FRANK
phillyBurbs.com
PHILADELPHIA - Dorsey Levens is a phone call away.
This time, Eagles head coach Andy Reid may not make that phone call.
Although the Eagles yesterday were in contact with the agent who represents Levens and made informal contact with several teams about the availability of their backup running backs, Reid said he is inclined to stick with the Eagles' young running backs for now before making a move.
The Eagles lost one of their two experienced backs when Correll Buckhalter underwent his third season-ending knee operation in the last four years on Tuesday.
The loss of Buckhalter means the Eagles have only one running back with more than 23 career carries - 2004 Pro Bowl pick Brian Westbrook.
Levens, 35, had his best season since 1999 last year, rushing for 410 yards, averaging 4.4 yards per carry, and scoring four touchdowns despite playing sparingly the first nine games of the season.
Other than Westbrook, the Eagles have only the 5-foot-10 Bruce Perry and 5-8 Ryan Moats, neither of whom has an NFL carry; and the 5-10 Reno Mahe, who has 23 career carries.
Levens is available and certainly the most attractive option if the Eagles decide to go in another direction. He replaced Buckhalter after both the 2002 and 2004 seasons.
"He keeps himself in great shape, he knows the offense, and he's a great leader," a team official said of Levens. "I don't know if you could find a better fit."
But for now, Reid said, look for lots of Westbrook and Moats with some Mahe mixed in.
Most likely, the Eagles will see how that rotation goes tomorrow night, when the Eagles face the Bengals in a preseason game at the Linc. The first offense is expected to play the entire first half and perhaps into the third quarter. It will be the first work against a first-team defense for Moats, a rookie third-round pick.
"We will let the young guys play and see what they can do, then we will make a decision after that," Reid said. "I've been pleased up to this point with the backs and we'll see how things go."
Moats this preseason is 10-for-57 rushing (5.7 average) with two touchdowns. Perry is 13-for-48 (3.7) with one TD and Mahe is 5-for-28 (5.6). Westbrook has gained seven yards on eight carries and has four receptions for 81 yards.
Also yesterday, Packers running back Najeh Davenport said in an interview on Sirius Radio that the Eagles have had exploratory trade talks with the Packers about him.
Davenport, who is 6-1, 245 pounds, has a 5.1 career per-carry average in three years backing up Ahman Green. It's not believed the Packers are seriously interested in shipping him.
The Eagles also had informal talks with the Dolphins regarding 25-year-old Lamar Gordon, a 230-pounder who has rushed for 590 yards with a 3.5 average in 26 games over three years.
Childress discounted the notion that the Eagles need a big back or change-of-pace back.
"I am OK with the guys that are here," Childress said. "I think Ryan, in his own way, will be a change-up to Brian, I don't think there's any doubt. They're just different styles. I don't know if you can put words to it and describe it, but you've seen it. They're different kinds of styles how they run the football."
Secret T.O. pact?
The Houston Chronicle posted an audio report on its Web site yesterday suggesting the existence of a secret pact between the Eagles and Terrell Owens in which the Eagles agreed to release Owens from his seven-year contract after this season as long as Owens promised to behave this year.
There was no comment from the Eagles, although if you go back to Joe Banner's statement about Owens in Pittsburgh before the Eagles-Steelers game it is possible.
That night, discussing Owens' return from his seven-day leave of absence, Banner said, "I know T.O. wants to play here and I know he wants a Super Bowl ring. Hopefully he can put the emotions he has behind him and the difference of opinion we have and contribute to that for a year."
The odd thing about this supposed agreement is that the thing that initially infuriated Owens is that he feared the Eagles would release him after the 2005 season to insure that he wouldn't receive $7.5 million in bonus money he's due if he's with the team in 2006.
McNabb, Owens buddies again
Donovan McNabb yelled, "Good job," to Owens after Owens snagged a touchdown catch at practice yesterday
Moats will have the kitchen sink thrown at him tomorrow.
If he look good -- and to Reid that means being able to pick up the blitzes and catching a few balls -- he may just hold off acquiring Levens.
QuoteSecret T.O. pact?
The Houston Chronicle posted an audio report on its Web site yesterday suggesting the existence of a secret pact between the Eagles and Terrell Owens in which the Eagles agreed to release Owens from his seven-year contract after this season as long as Owens promised to behave this year.
There was no comment from the Eagles, although if you go back to Joe Banner's statement about Owens in Pittsburgh before the Eagles-Steelers game it is possible.
That night, discussing Owens' return from his seven-day leave of absence, Banner said, "I know T.O. wants to play here and I know he wants a Super Bowl ring. Hopefully he can put the emotions he has behind him and the difference of opinion we have and contribute to that for a year."
The odd thing about this supposed agreement is that the thing that initially infuriated Owens is that he feared the Eagles would release him after the 2005 season to insure that he wouldn't receive $7.5 million in bonus money he's due if he's with the team in 2006.
While this may be true, its incredible speculation to print this (regarding the Houston Chronicle).
McNabb yelling to Owens, "Good job!" hardly means they're buddies.
yeah I listened that that houston chronicle thing a little bit ago, he also stated that McNabb hates Owens. lol
Quote from: MURP on August 25, 2005, 10:47:41 AM
yeah I listened that that houston chronicle thing a little bit ago, he also stated that McNabb hates Owens. lol
Gee why? ???
all those rb's are garbage....i'll take levens, i guess.
Quote from: mhunt on August 25, 2005, 12:57:57 PM
all those rb's are garbage....i'll take levens, i guess.
I'm for whatever RB is supported by popular opnion & his hypothetical value to the team, regardless of whether he's living or dead.
Quote from: mhunt on August 25, 2005, 12:57:57 PM
all those rb's are garbage....i'll take levens, i guess.
hey Mhunt, remember our big argument between Lamar Gordon and Dorsey last time? Guess you made the switch now eh? linky (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=12105.msg195287#msg195287) ;D
no....i don't.
i said levens because that's who reid will sign...gordon is better though. :yay
Quote from: mhunt on August 25, 2005, 01:13:04 PM
no....i don't.
i said levens because that's who reid will sign...gordon is better though..
The question was "Who do you want to Eagles to sign?" So when you said Levens you meant Gordon? Or were answering a different question altogether?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 25, 2005, 10:19:14 AM
QuoteSecret T.O. pact?
The Houston Chronicle posted an audio report on its Web site yesterday suggesting the existence of a secret pact between the Eagles and Terrell Owens in which the Eagles agreed to release Owens from his seven-year contract after this season as long as Owens promised to behave this year.
There was no comment from the Eagles, although if you go back to Joe Banner's statement about Owens in Pittsburgh before the Eagles-Steelers game it is possible.
That night, discussing Owens' return from his seven-day leave of absence, Banner said, "I know T.O. wants to play here and I know he wants a Super Bowl ring. Hopefully he can put the emotions he has behind him and the difference of opinion we have and contribute to that for a year."
The odd thing about this supposed agreement is that the thing that initially infuriated Owens is that he feared the Eagles would release him after the 2005 season to insure that he wouldn't receive $7.5 million in bonus money he's due if he's with the team in 2006.
While this may be true, its incredible speculation to print this (regarding the Houston Chronicle).
It's true. Owens will still be an idiot though, and that won't help out the running back situation at all.
Here is a link to KFFL free agents list. Garrison Hearst caught my eye, though not sure what's left in the tank. Discuss...
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=RB&y=2005
Jesse Chatman is an UFA?
Just checked, SD cut him. He was good last year filling in for LT, when he was hurt.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 25, 2005, 01:50:07 PM
Jesse Chatman is an UFA?
Yes, he failed his physical with the Chargers. He's a fat-ass.
If Davis is cut I'd take a real good look at him. It's just very hard to see that happening, but then again Foster is definitely capable of being a starter, and Goings played well last year.
I thought of a couple more names that teams might be willing to deal. They are very unlikely, but just to toss out there:
Chris Brown - Now that Titans locked up Henry, any chance they deal him?
Moe Williams - Vikings have a few backs up there, but would they let their vet go, and to a conference rival?
Monster has a crush on RBs with cardboard knees.
yea really :boo
Quote from: Monster on August 25, 2005, 02:34:43 PM
If Davis is cut I'd take a real good look at him. It's just very hard to see that happening, but then again Foster is definitely capable of being a starter, and Goings played well last year.
I thought of a couple more names that teams might be willing to deal. They are very unlikely, but just to toss out there:
Chris Brown - Now that Titans locked up Henry, any chance they deal him?
Moe Williams - Vikings have a few backs up there, but would they let their vet go, and to a conference rival?
If Davis is healthy ??? in a heartbeat! Sign him, he can take it easy the first half of the season, be fresh and pick up some of the slack as we get into the dog days of November and December. He would be a great compliment to Westy only and only if he's healthy.
Every RB has cardboard knees these days. Buckhalters are mash potatoes though. He's a level below.
Quote from: Monster on August 25, 2005, 02:52:56 PM
Every RB has cardboard knees these days. Buckhalters are mash potatoes though. He's a level below.
A short, semi humorous post!
(http://hr.tamu.edu/whatsnew/applause.GIF)
Quote from: Monster on August 25, 2005, 02:52:56 PM
Every RB has cardboard knees these days. Buckhalters are mash potatoes though. He's a level below.
(http://www.iisd.org/publications/images/covers/cover_seing_the_light_dre.jpg) :o
Quote from: rjs246 on August 25, 2005, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 25, 2005, 02:52:56 PM
Every RB has cardboard knees these days. Buckhalters are mash potatoes though. He's a level below.
A short, semi humorous post!
(http://hr.tamu.edu/whatsnew/applause.GIF)
Now that's a cut of jib I like - sorry rjs, last time I bring it up. Really. I promise.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 25, 2005, 03:01:06 PM
Quote from: Monster on August 25, 2005, 02:52:56 PM
Every RB has cardboard knees these days. Buckhalters are mash potatoes though. He's a level below.
(http://www.iisd.org/publications/images/covers/cover_seing_the_light_dre.jpg) :o
But if Buck was healthy I think he's a top 10 RB. 8)
Apparently in a world where Buck is healthy every other RB has polio.
Quote from: Monster on August 25, 2005, 03:06:55 PM
But if Buck was healthy I think he's a top 10 RB. 8)
(http://www.wilk4.com/humor/img/doh-1.jpg)
Quote from: General_Failure on August 25, 2005, 03:07:34 PM
Apparently in a world where Buck is healthy every other RB has polio.
:-D :-D :-D
Here's the guy we need to sign-- Definately a change of pace, very shifty moves:
RB of the Future (http://poststuff2.entensity.net/081505/media.php?media=lifetimechannel.wmv)
I am not clicking that link.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 25, 2005, 03:22:41 PM
I am not clicking that link.
Not like it farging works anyway....
QuotePanthers | S. Davis Working with First-team; Could be Starter?
Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:50:16 -0700
KFFL has learned Carolina Panthers RB Stephen Davis (knee), who has been working with the first-team offense during practice this week, will be the team's opening day starter for the regular season if his surgically repaired knee continues to hold up. Davis has reportedly looked sharp in contact drills, though he hasn't taken a massive hit yet.
For those of you even thinking about S. Davis.
what ever happened to Musa Smith? He was a pretty big back, but broke his leg or something last year.
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i think they will sign levens.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 25, 2005, 10:43:57 AM
McNabb yelling to Owens, "Good job!" hardly means they're buddies.
Just an FYI....that was sarcasm on Roob's part. :-D
QuoteEagles: No secret pact
A high-ranking Eagles official said there is "no truth" to an audio report posted on a Houston newspaper's web site that the team reached some sort of secret pact with Owens to release him after the season if he promised to behave the rest of the year.
The report appeared on the Houston Chronicle's web site.
also from roob
That is worthless information. If there is a pact, they wouldn't tell anyone and if there isn't there isn't. Bottom line. Who cares?
There is an Insider story on ESPN about the Eagles and Levens, can someone with access go thief it?
Houston reporters definitely have the inside track on this story. Great find.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 26, 2005, 10:12:50 AM
Houston reporters definitely have the inside track on this story. Great find.
I was responding to the Chronicle reports from earlier in this thread.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 26, 2005, 10:12:16 AM
There is an Insider story on ESPN about the Eagles and Levens, can someone with access go thief it?
Without reading it I'll paraphrase:
"We at the Insider have learned that Dorsey Levens used to play for the Eagles and currently doesn't play for anyone. Correll "string cheese knees" Buckhalter has just snapped his pesky ligament and is out for the season. Since I refuse to do any research for my job I will state the obvious which is that the Eagles are likely to consider bringing back Levens. I am a monkey."
Quote from: rjs246 on August 26, 2005, 10:17:18 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 26, 2005, 10:12:16 AM
There is an Insider story on ESPN about the Eagles and Levens, can someone with access go thief it?
Without reading it I'll paraphrase:
"We at the Insider have learned that Dorsey Levens used to play for the Eagles and currently doesn't play for anyone. Correll "string cheese knees" Buckhalter has just snapped his pesky ligament and is out for the season. Since I refuse to do any research for my job I will state the obvious which is that the Eagles are likely to consider bringing back Levens. I am a monkey."
:-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 26, 2005, 10:13:53 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on August 26, 2005, 10:12:50 AM
Houston reporters definitely have the inside track on this story. Great find.
I was responding to the Chronicle reports from earlier in this thread.
Will you two get a room? A sexy room. With vibrating everything.
I'd think he'd be more suited to be in a vibrating bed with Josh Parry...considering his apparent inside knowledge of Parry's anatomy.
Something tells me there would be a lot of chest hair in that bed. Vibrating chest hair.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 26, 2005, 10:17:18 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 26, 2005, 10:12:16 AM
There is an Insider story on ESPN about the Eagles and Levens, can someone with access go thief it?
"We at the Insider have learned that Dorsey Levens used to play for the Eagles and currently doesn't play for anyone. Correll "string cheese knees" Buckhalter has just snapped his pesky ligament and is out for the season. Since I refuse to do any research for my job I will state the obvious which is that the Eagles are likely to consider bringing back Levens. I am a monkey."
Dude, you work for ESPN? Can you get me Boomer's autograph?? :yay
:boo
Adam Schefter on NFL Network sayign that the Eagles called for Ron Dayne and were turned down by the Broncos?
Thank God.
Ron Dayne? fargin horrible.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2005, 07:23:42 PM
Thank God.
Ron Dayne? fargin horrible.
Yeah, and they were calling about a TRADE so sayeth Schefeter. NOt sure I believe that though.
I'd prefer Mike Anderson.
And even if the Eagles were calling for a trade, the Broncs are dumbasses for NOT trading Dayne to PHL. They need to recover the pick they're about to lose on Clarett (even though they wouldn't get a 3rd from PHL) and they already have Tatum Bell, Anderson, Quintin Griffin...why do they need Dayne For No Gain?
I thank the Broncs for being stupid in this case. I want nothing to do with that colossal BUST.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2005, 07:30:13 PM
I'd prefer Mike Anderson.
So do the Broncos. Let's not be silly. Want the Eagles to put in a call about Tomlinson?
Quote from: Zanshin on August 26, 2005, 09:22:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2005, 07:30:13 PM
I'd prefer Mike Anderson.
So do the Broncos. Let's not be silly. Want the Eagles to put in a call about Tomlinson?
GET TOMLINSON! :D
Quote from: Zanshin on August 26, 2005, 09:22:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2005, 07:30:13 PM
I'd prefer Mike Anderson.
So do the Broncos. Let's not be silly. Want the Eagles to put in a call about Tomlinson?
I'm sorry...did I say that I wanted Mike Anderson? Did I say that I want them to get him now? I was merely mentioning that out of all the Broncos RBs that Mike Anderson would be the one who I would like. I wanted him last year when they were talking about trading him before he shredded his groin in the pre-season against Houston.
So just to clarify for you ...I prefer Mike Anderson means that would be the only Denver RB I'd like to see in PHL if the Broncos ever decided to trade one of their 632 running backs.
Dayne makes sense in a way (that's why I took a flyer on him with Phreak's 25 questions :evil).
He's somewhat familiar with the WCO thanks to his time in Denver, he's a big back, and he's played under Childress. I thought with him being 4th on the depth chart, he'd be the "most likely available young RB with a shred of talent."
This must mean Denver is not entirely comfortable with either Bell or Griffin as backups.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2005, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on August 26, 2005, 09:22:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2005, 07:30:13 PM
I'd prefer Mike Anderson.
So do the Broncos. Let's not be silly. Want the Eagles to put in a call about Tomlinson?
I'm sorry...did I say that I wanted Mike Anderson? Did I say that I want them to get him now? I was merely mentioning that out of all the Broncos RBs that Mike Anderson would be the one who I would like. I wanted him last year when they were talking about trading him before he shredded his groin in the pre-season against Houston.
So just to clarify for you ...I prefer Mike Anderson means that would be the only Denver RB I'd like to see in PHL if the Broncos ever decided to trade one of their 632 running backs.
On one of the sites, they were saying Denver is likely to keep 5 TBs and 1 FB. It's 6.30 am over here, about to go home, and I don't feel like looking up the site.
Yeah, I'm at work too and on a slowass dial-up connection so I'm not even going to go rooting around for their roster because it will take me 7 hours to bring it up.
Anderson
Dayne
Bell
Griffin
There are rumors out there that Clarett will be cut because he is a moron. And he signed that stupid incentive-laden contract with no signing bonus so cutting him will not hurt them one bit other that look like dumbasses for spending a #3 on him.
Shanahan has to be on the hot seat out there. I mean, I know Pat Bowlen loves him but he hasn't done shtein since Elway retired. He signed Plunger, his drafts stink and basically I can't see how he still has a job.
As for our RB situation, Banner was on Comcast and like Reid was tight-lipped about the RB situation. He said they will still evaulate the talent on the roster and then make a decision in about a week to see where they're at.
Everytime I see Ryan Moats out there, I like him even more. I LOVE his toughness and willingness to run inside.
With what he is showing and with Westbrook, I like what I see as a 1-2 punch. I wouldn't waste a draft pick on trading for Lamar Gordon or Sammy Morris.
I would wait until after the final cut down date and then sign Dorsey Levens like they did last year so his salary is not guaranteed.
Wetsbrook-Moats-Levens is fine with me.
QuoteBirds, Westbrook working toward new contract
The team and the disgruntled running back are reported to be negotiating, with both confident that they can get a deal done.
By Shannon Ryan and Marc Narducci
Inquirer Staff Writers
Talks are alive, and that means hope is alive for the Eagles to work out a contract agreement with running back Brian Westbrook.
Westbrook and his agent, Fletcher Smith, have been in discussions with the Eagles about arriving at a deal, according to a team source. The source said both sides are optimistic that a deal will be reached, whether it is before the season or at the end of it.
Westbrook ended a holdout after skipping the first seven days of training camp in protesting the one-year, $1.43 million restricted-free-agent tender he had signed in June. He has not talked to reporters since showing up.
The Eagles are expected to bring in a bigger running back to back up the 5-foot-8, 203-pound Westbrook. Correll Buckhalter was lost for the season when he suffered the third serious knee injury of his five-year career.
The Eagles are keeping an eye on available running backs, although a team source said they have not spoken to anyone, including 35-year-old Dorsey Levens.
Levens - a 6-1 230-pounder who played for the Eagles last year but is out of football, at least for the time being - has said that he would be interested in returning to the Eagles.
The Birds do not have a running back who is at least 6 feet tall or who weighs at least 220 pounds.
that article says that the deal could get done before, or after the season. i can't believe westbrook would risk playing an entire year on this current contract. they need to get it done pre-9/12
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2005, 02:50:49 AM
Everytime I see Ryan Moats out there, I like him even more. I LOVE his toughness and willingness to run inside.
He was running right up the gut last night and looked awesome. However, I still love how FAST he is in getting tot he outside.
MURP said last night that when you watch Westbrook run now, its almost like he's as fast as a regular RB because Moats is SO fast.
Quote from: Larry on August 26, 2005, 10:47:48 PM
Dayne makes sense in a way (that's why I took a flyer on him with Phreak's 25 questions :evil).
He's somewhat familiar with the WCO thanks to his time in Denver, he's a big back, and he's played under Childress. I thought with him being 4th on the depth chart, he'd be the "most likely available young RB with a shred of talent."
This must mean Denver is not entirely comfortable with either Bell or Griffin as backups.
I'll pass on Ron Dayne. :puke
I don't know how familiar he'd be w/the WCO having spent one off/preseason with the Broncos. Regardless, I don't really care how much he knows about the WCO. He's still Ron Dayne.
There's a thread on the EMB saying Comcast is reporting the Eagles have contacted Davenport and that he'd welcome a trade here (supposedly the last day or so) and would update the situation on the 1AM Sportsnite show. I know there was some talk about this last week, and the Packers supposedly said they wouldn't trade him to a conference rival but....
Quote#44 in your program...
#2 in your laundry basket
:-D
He apparently said it earlier this week on NFL Network, too. Action News had a clip of him talking to reporters about it.... :P
P.S. -- he's a Ro$enhau$ client
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 28, 2005, 11:58:33 PMQuote#44 in your program...
#2 in your laundry basket
:-D :-D
I'd take Davenport in a second, but it seems less likely now that Corey is no longer available for trade. The Eagles don't like to trade them draft picks.
LOL @ Ron Dayne.
please.
Denver isn't letting Dayne go. Shanahan likes him.
Shanahan luvs him sum turds.
I don't really know what to think about Davenport and the fact that he keeps bringing this up. I mean, what could we possibly offer Green Bay for him? Is it even realistic for a trade to happen? Doesn't he want to be 'the guy' somewhere?
on the Map Pooper:
a.) he took a dump in a chick's laundry basket, in her closet, while she was sleeping.
b.) who is gonna backfill his slot in GB? No way they feel as good about Chatman or whoever it is...if I'm GB, I keep him. the Wife Beater ain't getting younger
c.) who would we trade for this guy? one of the RBs would go in the deal? If not, we'd have to cut one, plus fill wherever we traded away.
d.) the Eagles are not giving up the kind of draft pick ......
oh, to hell with it.
Get the Mad Pooper!
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2005, 09:37:35 AM
I don't really know what to think about Davenport and the fact that he keeps bringing this up. I mean, what could we possibly offer Green Bay for him? Is it even realistic for a trade to happen? Doesn't he want to be 'the guy' somewhere?
He said he'd be happy with 10-15 carries a game so I'm assuming Andy would use him in the exact same role he used Buck.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 29, 2005, 10:11:49 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 29, 2005, 09:37:35 AM
I don't really know what to think about Davenport and the fact that he keeps bringing this up. I mean, what could we possibly offer Green Bay for him? Is it even realistic for a trade to happen? Doesn't he want to be 'the guy' somewhere?
He said he'd be happy with 10-15 carries a game so I'm assuming Andy would use him in the exact same role he used Buck.
Putting him on the IR?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 29, 2005, 10:11:49 AM
He said he'd be happy with 10-15 carries a game so I'm assuming Andy would use him in the exact same role he used Buck.
Hm, I supposed we could use someone to fill the pot-smoking, meeting missing, training-room-resident position.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2005, 09:42:19 AM
on the Mad Pooper:
a.) he took a dump in a chick's laundry basket, in her closet, while she was sleeping.
b.) who is gonna backfill his slot in GB? No way they feel as good about Chatman or whoever it is...if I'm GB, I keep him. the Wife Beater ain't getting younger
c.) who would we trade for this guy? one of the RBs would go in the deal? If not, we'd have to cut one, plus fill wherever we traded away.
d.) the Eagles are not giving up the kind of draft pick ......
a.) That's funny. I like his style.
b.) Tony Fisher.
c.) Most likely we'd trade picks and a LB (Simoneau or Labinjo). You have a problem with Mahe and/or Perry getting the axe? Me neither.
d.) Never know... but I agree. Not for a 1-year rental.
Davenport would be the perfect pickup. I hope we get him in. Exactly what this team needs. A big strong guy that can also take one to the house potentially. Unlike Levens.
QuoteTroy (Philly): What are Philly's chances of scoring Najeh Davenport?
Len Pasquarelli: next to none, although he wouold be a terrific fit for what they need
Lenny P had a lot of Eagles questions today...
I respect Len's info around the league, but I'm hoping he's going on his opinion as opposed to what he's heard. Man Davenport would be so perfect.
No way the Mad Pooper comes to Philly. I'd love it, but no way.
Burger King offered a new name today: Tony Hollings, the former supplemental pick of the Texans...
I haven't seen enough of him to compare him to Levens. So I don't know who I'd rather have. The only thing I know is Hollings is pretty young.
An nflplayers.com bio (done his rookie year):
http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=35284§ion=qa
A Q&A after the supplemental draft:
QuoteQ. I'm glad the Texans got Georgia Tech running back Tony Hollings in the supplemental draft, but do you think giving up a second-round pick was too high?
Julio in Chicago
I'll let you be the judge, Julio. As you know, Hollings was a safety during his first two years at Georgia Tech. Because of injuries, he asked coach Chan Gailey for a chance to play running back. Before he suffered a knee injury that required reconstructive surgery, he played four games as a junior last season. Hollings carried 92 times for 633 yards and 11 touchdowns. Now, Julio, here's what I pay the most attention to: National Scouting Combine rated him as one of the top-seven senior prospects in the country. Only four seniors on National's list were rated ahead of Hollings. BLESTO, the combine the Texans are members of, rated Hollings among the top-10 seniors. Only six were rated higher. That means general manager Charley Casserly surrendered the second-round pick he acquired from the Raiders, which should be a low No. 2 pick considering Oakland played in the last Super Bowl, for a player who's among the top-seven or top-10 prospects in the country, depending on which scouting combine you trust the most. By the way, the combines have Hollings at almost 5-11 and 223. He has been timed in the 40 anywhere from 4.39 to 4.44.
It's apparent Hollings is a speed/potential guy. He's not a "big, bruising, power" back.
5-10 218 is a little bigger and bulkier than Westbrook. Still not as big as I would prefer.
Quote from: Monster on August 31, 2005, 04:49:25 PM
5-10 218 is a little bigger and bulkier than Westbrook. Still not as big as I would prefer.
He's oft-injured, but apparently does have a nice mix of speed/power when healthy:
QuoteComing off a knee injury that prematurely ended his junior season at Georgia Tech, where he was leading the nation in rushing yards and touchdowns through four games. Converted from safety after two seasons, Hollings is still raw as a running back. But if he can get back his 4.45 speed, he has the size and shiftiness to be an impact player in the NFL.
One thing that is important is whether or not he can catch passes. I'm not sure if he can or not.
The only guy I know of that can catch passes is Peter Warrick. Everyone else is crap.
So I suppose we're giving up a low draft pick for Hollins. Could be a player though; Casserly likes to wheel-and-deal.
Hollins is boom or bust. Hope Eagles coaches can get him to boom unlike the Texans.
Lamar Gordon...dumped.
Dolphins cut Gordon (http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=4053)
Naturally there'd be interest, right? He's better than Mahe and Perry.
We'll put a waiver claim on him I'd imagine.
Now I hope they really get him and farging dump either Mahe or Perry (preferably Mahe's tired ass)......that is only if they don't bring Levens back.
The Dolphins signed Jesse Chatman also. Obviously, the Eagles FO had no interest with him.
When it comes to Gordon, I'd have to say smoke --> fire. Unfortunately, it will probably be Perry that would get the axe and not Mahe. Spads hints strongly that Perry's around for now but that he might be the first one on the chopping block if the Eagles pick up another RB.
get gordon. :yay
cut perry...cut mahe...who cares.
John Clarke of NBC 10 just called Don McKey on WIP and reported that the Eagles claimed Lamar Gordon off waivers.
It was nice knowin' ya Bruce. :'(
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on September 04, 2005, 01:37:09 PM
John Clarke of NBC 10 just called Don McKey on WIP and reported that the Eagles claimed Lamar Gordon off waivers.
[Burns]ExxxxCCCCeeeeeLLLLeNT![/Burns] :yay
He's better than Mahe and Perry combined.
nice!
i only wish perry knew how to catch punts so they'd get rid of mahe instead of him.
Eh. I'm still holding out hope they ditch Mahe and Perry and bring in Gordon and Levens. :yay
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on September 04, 2005, 01:37:09 PM
John Clarke of NBC 10 just called Don McKey on WIP and reported that the Eagles claimed Lamar Gordon off waivers.
SWEET! I'm almost surprised he made it to the Eagles. You'd think some spiteful team out there would have put in a claim just to keep him from the Birds. Now cut Mahe and keep Perry.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on September 04, 2005, 02:03:13 PM
Eh. I'm still holding out hope they ditch Mahe and Perry and bring in Gordon and Levens. :yay
Since they have Gordon what do they need Levens for?
From a Miami paper:
QuoteLamar Gordon claimed off waivers by Philadelphia
By Alex Marvez
Staff Writer
Posted September 4 2005, 1:20 PM EDT
Former Dolphins running back Lamar Gordon was claimed off waivers Sunday by Philadelphia, a source said.
Gordon was waived Saturday after an unimpressive preseason with the Dolphins. The Dolphins traded a 2005 third-round draft choice to St. Louis for Gordon last season in hopes he could become a stopgap replacement for retired tailback Ricky Williams. Gordon, though, lasted just seven quarters before landing on injured reserve with a dislocated shoulder.
The Eagles were seeking help at tailback after Correll Buckhalter suffered a season-ending knee injury during the preseason.
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 04, 2005, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on September 04, 2005, 02:03:13 PM
Eh. I'm still holding out hope they ditch Mahe and Perry and bring in Gordon and Levens. :yay
Since they have Gordon what do they need Levens for?
I still think for this year, at least the first few games while Gordon is learning the system, Dorsey would be a better option than Mahe or Perry, whichever doesn't get cut from Gordon coming in. It'll take Gordon sometime to pick up everything, and while that is happening, there is still a void from the C-Buck spot.
Ah. I see. I can't imagine them bringing in Levens after getting Gordon, but stranger things have happened.
Quote from: TexasEagle on September 04, 2005, 02:19:25 PM
Ah. I see. I can't imagine them bringing in Levens after getting Gordon, but stranger things have happened.
Like them keeping Mahe and/or Perry.....(Mahe AGAIN!)
From PE.com:
QuoteWAIVER HELP: RB GORDON IN
September 4, 2005
By DAVE SPADARO
The Eagles added the big back many thought they would, having been awarded running back Lamar Gordon off of waivers on Sunday afternoon. Gordon will be at the team's practice on Monday.
To make room for Gordon on the 53-man roster, the team waived running back Bruce Perry.
"Lamar is a big back with good speed and quickness," said head coach Andy Reid. "He also has the ability to catch the ball which will help him in this offense. He's a talented, young running back who should be a good compliment to the rest of the backs on this team. We're look forward to getting him into Philadelphia and onto the practice field this week."
"I am very excited to being joining the Eagles," said Gordon. "I have heard many great things about the organization and they have one of the best teams in the league. They have won a lot of football games; I can't wait to get going in practice tomorrow. I am looking to contribute in anyway I can to help keep that thing going forward."
Gordon (6-1, 223) is in his fourth NFL season after being drafted in the third round by St. Louis in 2002. The 25-year-old Gordon spent two seasons with the Rams before being traded to Miami two days prior to the 2004 regular season opener. During his three-year career, Gordon has played in 26 games (11 starts) and rushed 171 times for 590 yards and 2 touchdowns and caught 51 passes for 411 yards and 2 scores.
In 2004, Gordon played in three games for the Dolphins before being sidelined for the remainder of the season with a dislocated shoulder. As a rookie with the Rams in 2002, he started five games for an injured Marshall Faulk and responded with 228 yards on 65 carries and 30 receptions for 278 yards. In his first offensive action of his NFL career, Gordon rushed four times for 44 yards, including a 21-yard touchdown scamper on Monday Night Football at Tampa Bay on September 23.
A native of Milwaukee, WI, Gordon finished as North Dakota State's all-time leading rusher with 4,700 yards and 62 touchdowns on 783 carries.
Kinda sucks to be Perry, to think you made it then get cut. Do you think they let him know prior to today? That'd be rough, I'd probably go postal on some bitches. :fire
QuoteROSTER CLAIM COSTS PERRY
September 4, 2005
By CHRIS McPHERSON
One day he was on top of the world. Now Bruce Perry is again dealing with the reality of the NFL: It's called the Not For Long league for a reason. Perry was the roster casualty when the Eagles were awarded Lamar Gordon off waivers.
Perry, a Philadelphia native, had been one of the so-called "bubble" players who had to sit through the agonizing wait of what his football future held. Saturday he learned he survived the final cut and would be a member of the Eagles' 53-man roster.
"I'm ecstatic. I found out from my agent," Perry said on Saturday night. "I've been trying to keep my mind off of the process of what could have happened. I feel like I've put in a lot of hard work, time and effort. It's paid off. I'm thankful to God. He gave me the talent to glorify Him. It's a wonderful feeling right now."
It's been a long road for Perry, who was a star at George Washington High School before an outstanding career at the University of Maryland. In his preseason debut a year ago, Perry dislocated his shoulder and spent the entire season on Injured Reserve.
Perry, a seventh-round draft pick in '04, worked out at the NovaCare Complex the entire offseason to make the most of his chance for a roster spot in 2005. But the odds were stacked against him. First, the Eagles re-signed running back Correll Buckhalter in the offseason. Second, the Eagles drafted Ryan Moats in the third round of this year's draft. There were six running backs on the roster heading into camp and the Eagles would keep three, maybe four max. It looked like a numbers crunch for Perry.
But Perry made the most of his chance to shine in the preseason. Perry had a tough and gutsy 8-yard touchdown run in the opener against the Steelers. He contributed to the two preseason wins over the Bengals and Ravens rushing for 52 yards in those games.
He had one final addition to make to his resume in the finale Thursday night against the Jets. Playing in front of his parents, Robbin and Kevin who still live in Philadelphia's East Oak Lane section, Perry rushed for a game-high 76 yards on 11 carries, an astounding 6.9 yards per carry, and a touchdown. He had a brilliant 31-yard run down the left side in the third quarter.
"First and foremost, (my parents) were proud of me," Perry said. "To get to come home and play in front of your folks is a big deal. It was great to have them see me out there playing."
The question was would it all be enough? He finished with 142 rushing yards on 30 carries and two touchdowns in the preseason. That question was answered with a resounding yes.
For one night, anyway.
Perry is now eligible to be claimed by any NFL team. Should he clear waivers, he would seem a good candidate to earn a spot on the Eagles' practice squad.
That farging makes me feel bad. I'll be happy though when Gordon is pounding out the tough yards though. :yay
When you get this sort of endorsement from Spudz, well... :paranoid
QuoteYes, they are looking at their options. You think Bruce Perry has tons of speed? You aren't right there. He's got OK speed. Nothing special.... He's a good player who has played well and who earned the roster spot. If the Eagles claim a player, I think Bruce is the one to go, though.
Quote from: Larry on September 04, 2005, 02:43:32 PM
When you get this sort of endorsement from Spudz, well... :paranoid
You know, I was just about to start a thread about the validity of Spadaro...
How many things was he wrong about in his coverage of the preseason and who would make the team?
QuoteThe 25-year-old Gordon
Didn't realize he was so young. :yay
They had to alter the feel-good story on Perry from earlier. Ha.
I'm glad they were able to get Gordon for nothing. He has a good amount of upside, and it will be interesting to see how he does behind an NFL-caliber offensive line.
P.S. I just voted for Lamar on the poll. I win.
OK, who voted for Eddie George? :o
Quote from: Hokie-Eagles Fan on September 04, 2005, 03:13:43 PM
So is Gordon a better pick-up then Levens? I guess he's younger, but his stats aren't the best and he did get cut from the Dolphins...
Gordon was looking decent as a runner for the Rams, and he also is a capable blocker and receiver.
He did have a rough season last year, but he didn't have time to learn the offense, and their OL last year was so absolutely abysmal that you can't blame him for not running very well.
The Eagles defininitely are going for younger guys with upside for depth this year, even more than in years past.... guys who won't run out of juice before the playoffs and could end up being better than predicted if the right things fall into place. The addition of Gordon instead of a guy like Levens and the cuts of Douglas and Ritchie only cement that.
QuoteThe Dolphins traded a 2005 third-round draft choice to St. Louis for Gordon last season
Miami must hate us :yay
Now I wonder. What do you all see as the future for these backs? They are all young, and all have their respective talents. Now we have the "power" back in Gordon, the Versatility and Match-up breaker in Westy, and the speed and upside of Moats, what do you guys see happening with this group in the coming years? Is Moats the heir to Westy? Is he going to be a more "standard" speedy back? Will Gordon stick around and fill what we wanted from C-Buck? Or be a younger Levens? And what of Westy? I think he'll be used the same way, for the coming years, but again I find myself seeing how closely Moats resembles Westy when he plays.
Pasquerelli's blurb on Gordon after he was cut from the Fins:
QuoteRB Lamar Gordon, Miami (three seasons): Traded from St. Louis to Miami in '04, after the Dolphins lost Ricky Williams to retirement, and suffered several injuries at tailback. Would probably have been the starter all season had a shoulder injury not ended his year after only three games. Good size (6-feet-1, 228), runs with even more power than some people expect, and has some wiggle. Only 25 years old and doesn't have much tread rubbed off the tires yet. Has 11 career starts, and has rushed for 590 yards on 171 carries.
Sweet.
Interesting tidbit: St. Louis picked Gordon exactly 7 picks (#84) before the Eagles picked Westbrook (#91) in 2002.
It begs the rhetorical question... would the Eagles have taken Gordon if he were available? Probably not, but still...
Kiper had him ranked one spot higher than Westbrook. Of course he had McCoo ranked a couple placed behind them as well.. :-D
From the towering coiffure...
QuoteGordon stands 6-0 and weighs 210 pounds; he is kind of an underdog on this draft board but is a great prospect. Gordon showed impressive statistics at Division II North Dakota State and he participated in the Senior Bowl. He has a deadly combination of both power and speed, so much in fact that many teams in the pros will drool over this hot prospect.
Gordon can run the ball inside and still has enough power to turn the corner even in the NFL. He is similar to Michael Bennett last year except he is taller and runs a little upright, which is a weakness.
Gordon has already proved that he is a worthy receiver out of the backfield. Even though that part of him was never utilized at North Dakota State the adjustment will be rapid to take over. Now that Dorsey Levens has been cut loose by the Packers look for them to show an interest. Gordon is expected to go in late round two or early round three.
QuoteGordon stands 6-0 and weighs 210 pounds; he is kind of an underdog on this draft board but is a great prospect. Gordon showed impressive statistics at Division II North Dakota State and he participated in the Senior Bowl. He has a deadly combination of both power and speed, so much in fact that many teams in the pros will drool over this hot prospect.
Gordon can run the ball inside and still has enough power to turn the corner even in the NFL. He is similar to Michael Bennett last year except he is taller and runs a little upright, which is a weakness.
Gordon has already proved that he is a worthy receiver out of the backfield. Even though that part of him was never utilized at North Dakota State the adjustment will be rapid to take over. Now that Dorsey Levens has been cut loose by the Packers look for them to show an interest. Gordon is expected to go in late round two or early round three.
That's some irony for you... Kiper ended up being eventually correct about Gordon supplanting Levens.
Would people here still prefer Levens over Gordon?
Considering we gave up nothing for him ... eh.
Quote from: Monster on September 04, 2005, 03:59:41 PM
Would people here still prefer Levens over Gordon?
It's a wash to me now that Gordon came without having to give up a draft pick. I think Levens would help the Eagles from game 1, whereas we're going to have to work in Gordon. Obviously, Gordon has more upside, but getting him is a little bit more of a roll of the dice... kind of like keeping Parry instead of Ritchie, keeping Thomas and Cole instead of Hugh, and getting McCants instead of Price or another more-established WR.
The Eagles are going young even more than usual. The jury's out.
I think the Eagles signed Gordon because eventually Levens is going to break down. I don't think they could bank on him being productive every season, and at the same time if Gordon works out he could be the future replacement for Buck.
And if he doesn't work out Levens is still just a phone call away.
Quote from: Monster on September 04, 2005, 04:08:17 PM
I think the Eagles signed Gordon because eventually Levens is going to break down. I don't think they could bank on him being productive every season, and at the same time if Gordon works out he could be the future replacement for Buck.
Yep, I agree. At this point, you have to figure Buckhalter's NFL career is over. If Gordon shows any flashes this season and is able to stay healthy, the Eagles have a new "power" back.
I think; if there had been any question as to what direction the Eagles organization was thinking of going as concerns C-Buck's career as an Eagle, the signing of a young runningback erases all doubt.
Best wishes Buck.
I'm not getting football wood over Gordon, but it's nice to see the need was filled. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: Displaced on September 04, 2005, 04:14:34 PM
I think; if there had been any question as to what direction the Eagles organization was thinking of going as concerns C-Buck's career as an Eagle, the signing of a young runningback erases all doubt.
Best wishes Buck.
I hope he's got enough weed money left over to buy himself a small town car dealership.
If Bruce isn't on an NFL team by week 1's end then I think Bruce will be signed(assuming Wynn is ready) and Mahe will be cut.
Gordon's on the final year of his rookie deal. I wonder if they'll try to work him in a bit quicker just to see if he's worth keeping.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 04, 2005, 04:09:29 PM
And if he doesn't work out Levens is still just a phone call away.
I think that's the real issue at hand. There's nothing to lose with Gordon especially since he's a waiver claim. If he sucks ass/gets hurt, Levens is still out there. If they just brought in Levens and passed on Gordon and Levens wasn't up to par, they'd be up the creek with only Perry to grind out the tough yards and he's been fairly brittle since day 1.
Would've preferred Dorsey, but I'm cool with Gordon.
Sucks to see Perry cut.
I was just reading an article that brought up something that intrigued me a bit.
All of our backs besides Gordon, are 5'10" or less, and under 210lbs. Gordon is 6'1" and 223. I'd like to see them standing around during practice in a group, and see how much of a disparity it is.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 04, 2005, 05:35:11 PM
Would've preferred Dorsey, but I'm cool with Gordon.
Ditto. Since we didn't have to give up picks or anything for him, it's no big deal. Hopefully he'll catch on quick so he can start producing.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 04, 2005, 05:35:11 PM
Would've preferred Dorsey, but I'm cool with Gordon.
Sucks to see Perry cut.
I would too in the sense of his pass blocking. Levens knows the system so he can step in week 1 and we don't have to worry about him. With Gordon, there's a lot of learning he's gonna have to do... and I hope that his blocking assignments don't slip through the cracks.
As far as toting the rock though, I'm happy with Gordon over Levens just in the fact that we just don't know how long Dorsey can keep getting it done. I like that Gordon at least got it done spelling Faulk in St. Louis so at 25... there's a lot more long-term potential there.
Quote from: Monster on September 04, 2005, 03:59:41 PM
Would people here still prefer Levens over Gordon?
I would. But Gordon is better than Perry so it doesnt bother me much. Mahe still sneaking in there though... the powers of Mormon.
Reno is god, don't you people get it ::)
I really hope no one grabs Perry and he ends up back on the PS. He's a good guy to have in case of an emergency and was really hoping he'd make the team. :(
It's either him or Andy Hall (or some other QB).
A good sign for Perry is that we have to wait 24 hours for him to clear waivers; maybe that's why we only filled 7 of 8 spots.
Quote from: Larry on September 05, 2005, 11:23:19 AM
It's either him or Andy Hall (or some other QB).
A good sign for Perry is that we have to wait 24 hours for him to clear waivers; maybe that's why we only filled 7 of 8 spots.
Hall is done here. He's shown zero progress and Perry has shown he deserves a spot.
But they do not have a QB on the PS. They usually keep one there.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2005, 11:33:37 AM
But they do not have a QB on the PS. They usually keep one there.
I could be wrong, I just don't see him coming back. He has no upside. He sucks.
Doesn't have to be Andy Hall they bring back..just a QB in general. I was hoping for Josh Harris or Matt Mauck.
AJ Feeley? ;)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2005, 11:36:02 AM
or Matt Mauck.
you really dont want a guy who has more interest in becoming a dentist than in the NFL do ya? ;)
But he could help Adams get rid of the Strahan look...
speaking of. We need a green version of the Strahan smiley... the Adams smiley. :=)
I agree.(http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6676/adams7sm.jpg)
interesting that Lamar Gordon was roomates with Westbrook at the Sr Bowl.
Quote from: MURP on September 05, 2005, 02:30:43 PM
interesting that Lamar Gordon was roomates with Westbrook at the Sr Bowl.
Drinking today murp?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 05, 2005, 02:33:03 PM
Quote from: MURP on September 05, 2005, 02:30:43 PM
interesting that Lamar Gordon was roomates with Westbrook at the Sr Bowl.
Drinking today murp?
?? Lamar said it in his PC
eh...thought the was roomates sounded funny. I need to laugh im stuck at work today :'(
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 05, 2005, 11:12:58 AM
I really hope no one grabs Perry and he ends up back on the PS. He's a good guy to have in case of an emergency and was really hoping he'd make the team. :(
Agreed PG, and I think Chris McPherson's note in his PE.com article today about the PS here indicates that's what they have in mind, assuming he clears waivers. Assuming he clears waivers and is put on the PS, I wonder if they promote him and drop Reno when Wynn is healthy.
QuoteNote that running back and Philadelphia-native Bruce Perry has not yet cleared waivers. Perry is eligible for the practice squad after being released Sunday when the Eagles claimed running back Lamar Gordon.
I asked Spads who he thought they'd fill the final spot with and he said Perry...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2005, 11:33:37 AM
But they do not have a QB on the PS. They usually keep one there.
Timmy Chang!
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on September 05, 2005, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 05, 2005, 11:12:58 AM
I really hope no one grabs Perry and he ends up back on the PS. He's a good guy to have in case of an emergency and was really hoping he'd make the team. :(
Agreed PG, and I think Chris McPherson's note in his PE.com article today about the PS here indicates that's what they have in mind, assuming he clears waivers. Assuming he clears waivers and is put on the PS, I wonder if they promote him and drop Reno when Wynn is healthy.
QuoteNote that running back and Philadelphia-native Bruce Perry has not yet cleared waivers. Perry is eligible for the practice squad after being released Sunday when the Eagles claimed running back Lamar Gordon.
I was saying that same scenario. And since Wynn is out of the boot and practicing again, Reno might want to let the mgr at Chickies and Petes know to put him on next week's host schedule....
I wouldn't be surprised either way, but I have a feeling Andy's going to keep Reno on the roster.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 05, 2005, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2005, 11:33:37 AM
But they do not have a QB on the PS. They usually keep one there.
Timmy Chang!
Tommy Chong is also available... :paranoid
toby...toby who?
Quote from: TempleOwl on September 06, 2005, 08:25:34 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on September 05, 2005, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2005, 11:33:37 AM
But they do not have a QB on the PS. They usually keep one there.
Timmy Chang!
Tommy Chong is also available... :paranoid
Funny you mention Tommy Chong. He's featured on a local commercial for non other than a "head" shop. What a reach for him!