Im just wondering fans thoughts as to why they would be anti TO all season just for the sake of it.
I root for the Eagles as a team. Sure I root for individual players to make plays, but when it is all said and done, its the Eagles who win or lose. When a superbowl is won, its a team effort. It doesnt matter if there are players on the team who are selfish bastiches. Even the almighty Jerry Rice has shown ridiculous selfish attitude issues at times.
So I read that some Eagles fans will hate TO forever, hope he is cut, hope he dies, hope he never plays again. I say, dont you trust in Andy Reid? Shall we look at what happened when we released/didnt sign/cut Trotter, Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent, Carlos Emmons, Duce Staley, Hugh Douglas, Sean Landetta, Brian Mitchell, Sean Barber etc.... Hasnt Reid made the right choice every time? So far he probably has. Right now, Reid chooses to have TO on the team. If TO acts up again and Reid chooses to suspend/cut/trade him then ok... but for now, TO is an Eagle. period.
Do you support the Eagles or root for/against individuals? Do you support the coach that has turned this team around or do you still question his motives? Hey, maybe TO blows up and is let go... than it was the right thing to do, but in the meantime I have to support Andy Reids choice. For all Reid has done to turn this franchise around, he deserves it. If you think your too cool and think its a rah rah to your team, then I'll be sure to slap you in the face when we hoist the Lombardi.
If Andy Reid thinks its ok to keep TO on the team, than its ok for me. And until TO decides to act up enough for Reid to get rid of him, Ill be hoping that TO catches 3 TD's every game of the year. Because in the end, a Superbowl is all that matters. No Eagle fan will give a crap that TO was or wasnt a part of a Super Bowl winning team 10 years from now. All that matters is the final win.
I'm pretty sure that you're asking hypothetical questions, but I root for the team. I'm HAPPY TO is on the team and (seemingly) going to play out the season. If he catches 10 TDs and gets 1000 yards, and the Eagles win, then it's worth it to have him on. And AR and the FO will decide what the best course of action is next season.
But, Go EAGLES. And, as long as TO is on the Eagles, Go TO.....
Trotter sucks. :)
I don't blindly trust the team anymore like I used to. I take their word for things, but when it comes down to it I get mad when they don't do something I want them to, and a very small part of me wants them to get hurt for going against what I want. But that is the vengeful part of me that naturally comes out, I can't control it. If there is a player out there that I really really want for example and the Eagles choose not to sign him for a reason such as them simply not wanting to, then I get mad and a small part of me wants it to come back hurt them to teach them a lesson. That is the way I am in life though, I'm a very vengeful person. If it is a legit reason like money issues or something like that then I don't mind. The whole TO situation I side with them on. I always want things done my way and will get mad when they aren't, but that won't stop me from being 100% behind the team at all times. So for me it really doesn't have anything to do with trust. If Brian Westbrook somehow manages to make it through the season without being signed then I will be extremely angry. I don't care how much success they have. I want him signed by the season's end and if he's not then a small part of me will want them to pay. My fandom for the Eagles is so big that I can hold most of my vengeful feelings back, but not all of them.
I love the birds! You're right Murp, I cheer for the EAGLES. I can't say I have a favorite player(Reno :paranoid). In all seriousness, yes we all get caught up in the McNabbs, Westbrooks, dare to say it TOs, Dawks, Akers, etc. but at the end of the game it's the birds I love. From 2-11-1 in 1972 to 3-13 in 1999, from the misery of losing to Oakland in SB XV to the shock of losing the NFCG at home, last game at the Vet to Tampa I will always support this TEAM.
The only knock on AR is he can't win the big one - well hell at least were getting to the big one. I don't care how he does it as long as he keeps doing it. As long as the TEAM stays competive and continues to put itself in contention I will not complain. Yes I want a Super Bowl victory in the worst way, but let's keep doing what we're doing. It may be a long, bumby haul until we reach the promise land but we'll get there.
Wow, I don't understand your viewpoint even a little bit, Monster...can you give a specific example or two of this, where you wanted them to do something and it didn't work out for the best interests of the team?
QuoteIf there is a player out there that I really really want for example and the Eagles choose not to sign him for a reason such as them simply not wanting to, then I get mad and a small part of me wants it to come back hurt them to teach them a lesson.
I agree with you, Murp...I'm a fan of the Eagles. If the Eagles win the SB and TO is on the team contributing, let him help hoist the trophy. I trust in Reid, Heckert, JJ, Banner, et al...they've earned that trust. To hope the team you have rooted for loses because TO's on the roster makes no sense to me.
first off i wasted...point taken...i was with TO through all this shtein til it got out of control. at this point i don't give a rats ass if hes on the team or not. im sick of hearing it, but im sure most of us ar. given that i don't care how we do it. win a superbowl. if we have to put up with TO than we have to do it. l still like the dude as long as he contributes to us winnin. its a team game...u can't put the blame on one person. some people may say hes disruptive...yadda...its yet to be told how he is going to handle all this. but if the FO is willing to deal with him and move on then i am also. yes the FO has the upper hand..and well if TO ddecides to be a baby then thats how itd gonna be. what can we do? nothing...but say farg the media farg the haters...we can winwithout a player. hes a player not our team. so if this team has really got it together then wwe will prevail and we will win a superbowl. i know this team has it...i know we can go the whole way. lets please move on with the season already...
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 19, 2005, 03:15:03 AM
Wow, I don't understand your viewpoint even a little bit, Monster...can you give a specific example or two of this, where you wanted them to do something and it didn't work out for the best interests of the team?
QuoteIf there is a player out there that I really really want for example and the Eagles choose not to sign him for a reason such as them simply not wanting to, then I get mad and a small part of me wants it to come back hurt them to teach them a lesson.
I agree with you, Murp...I'm a fan of the Eagles. If the Eagles win the SB and TO is on the team contributing, let him help hoist the trophy. I trust in Reid, Heckert, JJ, Banner, et al...they've earned that trust. To hope the team you have rooted for loses because TO's on the roster makes no sense to me.
It's a little hard to explain through a message board, but I'll try. Firstly when the Eagles don't make a move, by the time you found out if it works out or not, I am no longer angry at the Eagles, but for example I was extremely angry when the Eagles didn't try to get Coles when he was a RFA from the Jets. We needed a receiver big-time and I didn't care about giving up a first rounder for him. When the taterskins ended up picking him up, I was very angry and for a second a part of me said I hope he burns the Eagles in both games this year so the Eagles will regret not doing it. Sometimes I am so caught up in revenge I don't care about anything else. Does that mean I want my team to lose? No. That feeling goes away after a few days or weeks too, and it all worked out for the Eagles... sort of. We played well without signing a big name receiver that season, but got smoked against Carolina, and after we lost that game that anger came back. I kept saying I can't believe we didn't pick up Coles. Technically you can say that move would've worked out for us. Mcdougle amounted to nothing and with TO being cut after this season we still haven't won a Superbowl yet. It would be nice to have Coles right now. Anyway that is one example.
Basically my point is that I agree with Murp that it's about the team and not individuals, but I don't agree with always giving the Eagles the benefit of the doubt. I don't care if they always end up being right. When I want a certain thing done and it's not then I get pissed off. Am I a professional GM? No, but that doesn't mean that I can't want something for the team. Does that mean I ever root against them? I'll never even remotely come close to rooting against them, but occasionally I'll hope something comes back uo bite em in the butt just light enough so that they may try something different as far as receivers go(not counting these last 2 seasons since we got TO). For me it's the same thing with the Phillies, except I don't love the Phillies nearly as much as the Eagles, so whenever the Phillies don't make a deadline deal or do something I don't like I will wish failure on them. I'll never do that with the Eagles because I love them too much, but I don't love the Phillies as much as the Eagles because I was never a huge baseball fan.
shut up :puke
Take it like a man you wimp. 8)
When McNabb is hoisting that Super Bowl trophy, all will be forgiven. 8)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 19, 2005, 06:58:36 AM
When TO is hoisting that Super Bowl trophy, all will be forgiven. 8)
I think that's the point.
as long as TO is helping the team win then im all for it
but because he is one of the big jerkoffs of all-time i will have a hard time ever cheering for him
just as i never once ever cheered for brian mitchell...including the ncf championship return
I used to doubt Andy Reid and his ability. But time after time he comes thru in flying colors. The Trotter, Hugh, Vadge, Vincent, the drafting of Shawn Andrews over Stephen Jackson, and the list goes on. While I may question the rhyme or reason to why he does things, I won't question how he runs this team and how he operates with his personel. He is (or will be), in my opinion, the greatest head coach the Eagles have seen...better than Buddy, better than Vermil. I know that him and Banner want to win that Championship just as much as the fans.
As far as TO, I just want to see him and McNabb get along and have a 'working relationship.' I just want that Superbowl win....I could care less if TO is on the field or not, just as long as that happens.
Quote from: mikey418 on August 19, 2005, 08:04:50 AM
He is (or will be), in my opinion, the greatest head coach the Eagles have seen...better than Buddy, better than Vermil.
This time last year I would have said that Reid needs to get this team to the SB in order to oust Vermeil as the best coach in Eagles history. Now that he's done that, I think it's safe to say that he is the best the Eagles have had.
Vermiel - 1976 through 1982 (7 seasons)Regular season record - 54 - 47
Post season record - 3-4
Playoff appearances - 4
Division titles - 1
Conf Champ appearances - 1
Super Bowl Appearances - 1
Reid - 1999 through present (6 seasons)Regular season record - 64-32
Post season record - 6-5
Playoff appearances - 5 *Edited for idiots*
Division titles - 4
Conf Champ appearances - 4
Super Bowl Appearances - 1
That record is good enough for me. Reid can do damn near anything he wants as far as I'm concerned. If he hasn't proven himself to you yet then I think you're just placing unrealistic expectations on the guy.
What SARGE said.
not to nitpick but reid missed the playoffs in his rookie season
>:( I've been upset about some of the moves, but alot has to do with players wanting more money than a reasonable team will pay. I hated when big Hugh left, but I understood he went to a team desperate enough to pay him huge money and gamble on him. Same with Duce, Vincent and Taylor. I also couldn't understand why we disn't go after a wideout before last season. Having said that we are poised to be a contender for years. I like the overall plan for the org. We aren't selling our souls for one season or two. We are consistently Great. Our wins will come and I won't have to sit thru non-playoff years. I hate when the media attepts to belittle or rip Reid for the big game. Only one team wins it each year. Is Marv Levy a failure? I don't think so. I've learned not to be greedy and be happy my team is sucessful and as long as 5 is around I know we can win any game anytime. :cfhead :cfhead
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 19, 2005, 08:53:36 AM
not to nitpick but reid missed the playoffs in his rookie season
:-D
Funny stuff IGY. I knew you had it in you. ;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 19, 2005, 08:53:36 AM
not to nitpick but reid missed the playoffs in his rookie season
Not to nitpick but most 1st year head coaches do....
I root for the team, and I trust that AR believes he can control this situation. That being said, I think TO is a turd and would like nothing better than to win 12 games and go to the SB with Lewis and Brown as our starters. And, as Reid has said repeatedly, we can win with those guys, and I believe him when he says that too.
Not to nitpick but most 1st year head coaches do....
not to nitpick...but your point??
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 19, 2005, 09:26:19 AM
Not to nitpick but most 1st year head coaches do....
not to nitpick...but your point??
That you're a moron.
Sure I trust Reid. Don't mean I have to like or cheer for TO. And Reid should understand that. He's going to play a guy that a good chunk of us dislike. I'll cheer for the Eagles, but if it's TO going into the endzone, I'll be getting another cold one while all the TO fans jerk each other off over his TD.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 19, 2005, 09:29:53 AM
Sure I trust Reid. Don't mean I have to like or cheer for TO. And Reid should understand that. He's going to play a guy that a good chunk of us dislike. I'll cheer for the Eagles, but if it's TO going into the endzone, I'll be getting another cold one while all the TO fans jerk each other off over his TD.
Yep. Pretty much the same boat as Reid, really. Reid isn't pulling for T.O....he's pulling for the team, and T.O. can help the team. I hope T.O. scores a zillion touchdowns, but even if he does...he's still a grade-A icehole. Come to think of it, it's not all that different for me this year than last year...except I'll have less patience for the endzone dance crap.
That you're a moron
why because dook posted that reid has six playoff appearances in six seasons
why dont we say hes won a couple superbowls while were at it??
Sort of harkens me back to a term that was widely used when this board was first developed...LurieLapper!! ;D
That being said, I think this FO has earned the fans' trust (although they could ease up on the prices a bit). No one knows how the TO thing will work out but I'll say that judging from what I see and hear 9 out of 10 fans would prefer to see him go if he is going to be a distraction. I, like Reid, am willing to give him another chance to be a professional and be productive.
Now if he fargs around again and the FO does not take the situation in hand, I'll have a problem with that. I just want the season to start and everyone to shut up about TO. It takes a village to win a superbowl and TO ain't the mayor of this village...
I root for the jersey, but I also believe in Reid and most of the players.
Even if I hate a guy on another team and he's traded or signs here - I cheer for him. If I dislike a guy on the current roster, I still cheer for him. It's a team effort and they need contributions from everyone.
As for TO, I think he's a stone-cold nutcase. But everyone knew what kind of guy he was and 99% of the Birds fans wanted him. I've been a TO fan since he shat on the star. I knew he was a loose cannon and still wanted him here. Everyone wanted a stud WR and even some wanted some personality -- well we got it.
I'm still a fan of TO's. I thinks he's dumber than shtein, but the guy is a phenominal WR. And everyone who says they'd rather lose without him than win him is either brain dead or not a fan.
Eff principle. I want a SB win.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2005, 09:41:43 AMAnd everyone who says they'd rather lose without him than win [with] him is either brain dead or not a fan.
So which am I?
Quote from: Diomedes on August 19, 2005, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2005, 09:41:43 AMAnd everyone who says they'd rather lose without him than win [with] him is either brain dead or not a fan.
So which am I?
Resident Iconoclast?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 19, 2005, 09:26:17 AM
I root for the team, and I trust that AR believes he can control this situation. That being said, I think TO is a turd and would like nothing better than to win 12 games and go to the SB with Lewis and Brown as our starters. And, as Reid has said repeatedly, we can win with those guys, and I believe him when he says that too.
Oh stop. Reid says that stuff because what is he GOING to say? "Nah, we can't win shtein with Lewis and Brown as our starters". Its the same thign when he would say, "We're fine at WR" when we had Small and Johnson and then Pinkston and Thrash. He HAS to say that as the HC. ::) I go by his ACTIONS. The fact that TO is not suspended and is playing on this team, shows me that Reid doesn't believe a lick of what he said. Same way he said that about Thrash and PInkston and then went out and signed TO.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 19, 2005, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2005, 09:41:43 AMAnd everyone who says they'd rather lose without him than win [with] him is either brain dead or not a fan.
So which am I?
Crazy.
Why would you let 1/53rd of a team ruin your season, Dio? So what if he's looney? There are jerks and dopes on teams all over the NFL. Are they bigger dopes than TO? Not really - only a few.
But every teams have bad guys on them.
I hear guys on the radio call in and say "I'd rather go 2-14 without the bum than win the SB with him".
I just don't get it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2005, 09:54:11 AM
I hear guys on the radio call in and say "I'd rather go 2-14 without the bum than win the SB with him".
I just don't get it.
I heard that last night at the Phillies game... from a lot of people. Completely mind-boggling.
I hear guys on the radio call in and say "I'd rather go 2-14 without the bum than win the SB with him".
i would never say that...but a superbowl win with TO would be less satisfying for me...especially if he were a big part of the actual game...ie caught the game winning touchdown...TO could care less about the eagles the city or the fans....the minute the parade ends TO is off to atlanta never to be in philly again...i want a team with local legends who will retire in south jersey...be a part of the community...show at all the reunion functions ect...of course that will not happen with all players but i also dont want someone like TO who is the exact opposite of that
the best part of the championship win for me last year was ike reeses comments after the game re: the fans and city
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 19, 2005, 10:00:05 AM
I hear guys on the radio call in and say "I'd rather go 2-14 without the bum than win the SB with him".
i would never say that...but a superbowl win with TO would be less satisfying for me...especially if he were a big part of the actual game...ie caught the game winning touchdown...TO could care less about the eagles the city or the fans....the minute the parade ends TO is off to atlanta never to be in philly again...i want a team with local legends who will retire in south jersey...be a part of the community...show at all the reunion functions ect...of course that will not happen with all players but i also dont want someone like TO who is the exact opposite of that
the best part of the championship win for me last year was ike reeses comments after the game re: the fans and city
Yeah, you're a fan. ::) As if I didn't already know you were a farce, this cemented it for me.
I don't care if Satan himself scores the game winning TD. I want this team to win a farging Super Bowl.
QuoteIts the same thign when he would say, "We're fine at WR" when we had Small and Johnson and then Pinkston and Thrash. He HAS to say that as the HC. ::) I go by his ACTIONS. The fact that TO is not suspended and is playing on this team, shows me that Reid doesn't believe a lick of what he said. Same way he said that about Thrash and PInkston and then went out and signed TO.
Like Chris Rock says "You drive a car with your feet, that don't make it good farging idea." We can win with Lewis and Brown, that don't mean Owens isn't an upgrade. :-D
Quote from: JailBird-man on August 19, 2005, 10:03:08 AM
QuoteIts the same thign when he would say, "We're fine at WR" when we had Small and Johnson and then Pinkston and Thrash. He HAS to say that as the HC. ::) I go by his ACTIONS. The fact that TO is not suspended and is playing on this team, shows me that Reid doesn't believe a lick of what he said. Same way he said that about Thrash and PInkston and then went out and signed TO.
We can win with Lewis and Brown, that don't mean Owens isn't an upgrade. :-D
Missed the point, but ok.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 19, 2005, 10:00:05 AM
I hear guys on the radio call in and say "I'd rather go 2-14 without the bum than win the SB with him".
i would never say that...but a superbowl win with TO would be less satisfying for me...especially if he were a big part of the actual game...ie caught the game winning touchdown...TO could care less about the eagles the city or the fans....the minute the parade ends TO is off to atlanta never to be in philly again...i want a team with local legends who will retire in south jersey...be a part of the community...show at all the reunion functions ect...of course that will not happen with all players but i also dont want someone like TO who is the exact opposite of that
the best part of the championship win for me last year was ike reeses comments after the game re: the fans and city
So what? Use him for his talents and move on. Baseball teams do it all the time...they rent players and kick 'em to the curb afterwards.
Why not be happy for the fact that we won one finally and look at what the other 52 guys did? If TO scores, give McNabb and the OL love for making it happen.
Football is the ultimate team sport. Root for the team, bro.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 19, 2005, 09:36:08 AM
Yep. Pretty much the same boat as Reid, really. Reid isn't pulling for T.O....he's pulling for the team, and T.O. can help the team. I hope T.O. scores a zillion touchdowns, but even if he does...he's still a grade-A icehole. Come to think of it, it's not all that different for me this year than last year...except I'll have less patience for the endzone dance crap.
But...but..but...I thought Reid's "God Complex" & "huge ego" would lead him to be vindictive against TO & Reid would sit him based on principle, just to prove he can win w/o him. ;)
I had no problem with TO before he came here, though now I have no respect for him as a man. I do have tremendous respect for him as a player though & will cheer for him as long as he's helping my team win. My support is for the team & not an individual player.
i didnt say i dont want it happen...i didnt say i wouldnt love it if they did...i said it would be less satisfying with TO doing it...i cant stand the guy...but im not dumb enough to say id rather lose without than win with him
i dont root for players and i dont even root for the team as much as i root for the city...TO could care less about all three...and i dont like that
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 19, 2005, 09:37:26 AM
That you're a moron
why because dook posted that reid has six playoff appearances in six seasons
why dont we say hes won a couple superbowls while were at it??
Wow, I made a farging typo. Disregard my previous post about you having a sense of humor. Thought you were trying to be funny. Turns out you were being your typical douche bag self. I should have known better.
hater
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Wow, I made a farging typo. Disregard my previous post about you having a sense of humor. Thought you were trying to be funny. Turns out you were being your typical
douche bag self. I should have known better.
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LOL "douche bag" incidentily is what I may have said on the Rosenhaus answering machine. :-D :-D :-D
There's a lot of that Negadelphia going around I think. My Mom's new husband is to the point where he wants the Eagles to lose. She's giving him hell though!! What can you do.
That said I root for the Eagles, and this is one of the best organizations I've been alive for in Eagle history. Sure nothing is ever going to be perfect but I want the Green and Silver to win no matter what. Let TO where headphones after every offensive series and dance by himself in the endzone for all I care. Just get the job done and freaking win.
The media has a lot of skin in this game too. Antonio Gates has been holding out in Diego and just got an ultimatum from his team. You don't see freaking copters following him around town do you? Media spotlight is a big part of the problem now a days. For some reason the Eagles and TO are getting the full brunt of it. Certainly that skews the way we feel about this stuff.
BOYCOTT ESPN!! (except for Monday night football I suppose)
It's simple. Only die-hard football fans are remotely interested by Antonio Gates. You don't have to be a football fan to get a chuckle out of T.O.'s mental retardation/antics/talents.
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 10:46:57 AM
There's a lot of that Negadelphia going around I think. My Mom's new husband is to the point where he wants the Eagles to lose.
Why does he want them to lose?
Because he's a dumb Philly blue-collar schmuck. The minority of fans that gives us all a bad name.
I hate those mother farging pricks.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 19, 2005, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 10:46:57 AM
There's a lot of that Negadelphia going around I think. My Mom's new husband is to the point where he wants the Eagles to lose.
Why does he want them to lose?
He claims he stopped rooting for the Eagles fully back in the Franklin Field days or some such, so I think he's got deeper issues with the team. It didn't take much concerning the TO saga to push him over the edge I think.
Last year my Mom gave him crap every Eagles game because they kept winning. It's all in good fun of course.
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 10:59:24 AM
He claims he stopped rooting for the Eagles fully back in the Franklin Field days or some such, so I think he's got deeper issues with the team. It didn't take much concerning the TO saga to push him over the edge I think.
He's not a fan, obviously. For the past 35 years he stopped rooting for them. Who the farg cares what he thinks. ::)
Meh, we had 12 win seasons with Thrash and ToothPink. 3 of them. One of them when half the starting D was on IR (we had farging Marco Coleman playing DE). Lewis and Brown are upgrades over the former. I say we can win 11-12 games without TO. Probably win more with him, sure, but who farging cares? Once we lock up the No1 seed, the total number of wins is irrelevant. I'd love to see the Birds get to the SB without him. But it's not my job to make sure they get there, it's Reid. And he seems content to put up with some bullshtein to ensure it. Fine. But I firmly believe if TO starts to act up again, he'll get bitchslapped, and the team won't skip a beat.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 19, 2005, 11:02:20 AM
I'd love to see the Birds get to the SB without him.
Technically, we did last year. TO was brought in primarily for the NFCC Game. Everyone knew going into the season that with or without TO, the Eagles were still the class of the NFC. TO just made the team more dominant during the regular season.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 10:59:24 AM
He claims he stopped rooting for the Eagles fully back in the Franklin Field days or some such, so I think he's got deeper issues with the team. It didn't take much concerning the TO saga to push him over the edge I think.
He's not a fan, obviously. For the past 35 years he stopped rooting for them. Who the farg cares what he thinks. ::)
I'm just trying to understand the mentality of those who I think have an irrational or misdirected hatred towards the organization.
I've gotten a lot of insight from some on here already.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 19, 2005, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 10:59:24 AM
He claims he stopped rooting for the Eagles fully back in the Franklin Field days or some such, so I think he's got deeper issues with the team. It didn't take much concerning the TO saga to push him over the edge I think.
He's not a fan, obviously. For the past 35 years he stopped rooting for them. Who the farg cares what he thinks. ::)
I'm just trying to understand the mentality of those who I think have an irrational or misdirected hatred towards the organization.
I've gotten a lot of insight from some on here already.
I meant that towards Phanatic, not you BM. LOL
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 11:25:41 AM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 19, 2005, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 10:59:24 AM
He claims he stopped rooting for the Eagles fully back in the Franklin Field days or some such, so I think he's got deeper issues with the team. It didn't take much concerning the TO saga to push him over the edge I think.
He's not a fan, obviously. For the past 35 years he stopped rooting for them. Who the farg cares what he thinks. ::)
I'm just trying to understand the mentality of those who I think have an irrational or misdirected hatred towards the organization.
I've gotten a lot of insight from some on here already.
I meant that towards Phanatic, not you BM. LOL
I know, I'm just padding my post count. ;D
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 19, 2005, 11:30:49 AMI know, I'm just padding my post count. ;D
and you're almost at 666 too
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I know, I'm just padding my post count. ;D
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Let me congratulate you while I pad mine. How long will I be a lurking Bastich?
5 years.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2005, 09:41:43 AM
I root for the jersey, but I also believe in Reid and most of the players.
Even if I hate a guy on another team and he's traded or signs here - I cheer for him. If I dislike a guy on the current roster, I still cheer for him. It's a team effort and they need contributions from everyone.
As for TO, I think he's a stone-cold nutcase. But everyone knew what kind of guy he was and 99% of the Birds fans wanted him. I've been a TO fan since he shat on the star. I knew he was a loose cannon and still wanted him here. Everyone wanted a stud WR and even some wanted some personality -- well we got it.
I'm still a fan of TO's. I thinks he's dumber than shtein, but the guy is a phenominal WR. And everyone who says they'd rather lose without him than win him is either brain dead or not a fan.
Eff principle. I want a SB win.
I'd rather the Eagles win withOUT him than win with him.
I root for the team and since TO is unfortunately still on the team, I will root for him to do well. I still hope he dies though.
First and foremost I'm a team fan. Period. Have been for many years. Having lived through Tose and the almost midnight-move-Arizona-to-pay-off gambling-debts escapade, Randall, (remember the Dallas playoff game after Peete went down?) Reggie and the God tour, Ricky for-who-for-what, 2 no.1's for Antone and a coach named Marion, what's a little T.O.?
Reid is flat out the best coach the Eagles have seen, (at least in the modern era, I can't really speak to pre 1960's) and while we all make mistakes, the correct choices he and the FO have made far outweigh the bad ones.
Sheese, we have got arguably the most talented football team this town has ever had. From my distance its hard to see why anyone would jump ship just because of this new chapter in team history. TO is one and done this year - if he can help get us the Lombardi, great. If he slips one bit, AR will bounce him. Either way my cheers remain the same.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 10:59:24 AM
He claims he stopped rooting for the Eagles fully back in the Franklin Field days or some such, so I think he's got deeper issues with the team. It didn't take much concerning the TO saga to push him over the edge I think.
He's not a fan, obviously. For the past 35 years he stopped rooting for them. Who the farg cares what he thinks. ::)
Certainly I don't. I avoid football talk when I'm visiting. He's a nice guy outside of that fatal flaw. I think he has some buddies who really influence him, and they have the full on irrational negadelphia thing going against the Eagles. What makes it more irrational is that he's a die hard Phillies fan. Someone explain that one to me. Of the two organizations which one do you feel more let down by now a days?
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 12:54:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 10:59:24 AM
He claims he stopped rooting for the Eagles fully back in the Franklin Field days or some such, so I think he's got deeper issues with the team. It didn't take much concerning the TO saga to push him over the edge I think.
He's not a fan, obviously. For the past 35 years he stopped rooting for them. Who the farg cares what he thinks. ::)
Certainly I don't. I avoid football talk when I'm visiting. He's a nice guy outside of that fatal flaw. I think he has some buddies who really influence him, and they have the full on irrational negadelphia thing going against the Eagles. What makes it more irrational is that he's a die hard Phillies fan. Someone explain that one to me. Of the two organizations which one do you feel more let down by now a days?
Is your mother marrying Chuck Bednarik?
:-D
No but it just might be the same age group...
Quote from: Phanatic on August 19, 2005, 01:59:59 PM
:-D
No but it just might be the same age group...
I'm in no way insinuating this about him but I encountered quite few fans from that era who dislike the team & state of the NFL due to racial makeup of the teams.
Anyone else experienced that?
Yes I have experianced that from the age group actually. I don't know if that is the case here though. I don't think my dear old Ma would stand for that type of thing, but you never know what is at the root of it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 19, 2005, 10:00:05 AM
a superbowl win with TO would be less satisfying for me...especially if he were a big part of the actual game...ie caught the game winning touchdown...
I hope he does catch the winning TD in the Superbowl after having a great season that leads this team to a Superbowl win, which I hope and pray will happen. Then, Ried will look like a genious and all the press, and a few fans, can all eat shtein and die.
I am not sure how I feel about the situation, would it be great to win without him absolutely. Would I take a win with him no doubt. I've said it before I would sell my soul to Randy Moss for a SB title.
i think part of the reason some ppl might be even entertaining the thought of winning without TO being preferred is cause no matter what happens after this upcoming season, considering we win it all, TO will claim it was his doing more so than the teams. not that i care for that crap...as long as they win. TO is arguably the best WR in the game but this was my #1 fear b4 we acquired him last season. he fooled the crap out of me last season but "if it looks like a rat...."
anyway i dont care either way cause i think we can always get it done but i know we have a better chance with him. it wasnt just the talent he brought but this swagger and attitude.
Quote from: Double J on August 19, 2005, 06:49:51 PM
I would sell my soul to Randy Moss for a SB title.
And he'd pawn it off to go by some cigaweed.