We're all in limbo right now as far as Buck's health is concerned. He took the hit on the lower knee/shin area and it did not respond to treatment. He flew to see Dr. Andrews (who is getting a ton of Philadelphia biz lately[Thome, Green, Buck, Wolf]) and they decided to wait a week and let him rehab it more. I'm no doctor nor did I stay at some dumbass hotel last night, but I've been hurt so many times it sounds like a scar tissue problem. I could be wrong, but if it was more they'd be doing more for it.
So I'm listening to WIP today and Gargano is saying that the Eagles will look at one of the extra Dolphins RBs along with a veteran WR from somewhere. I know WIP isn't the best source for info, but Tom Heckert is in Gargano's pocket. That's The Cuz's source.
The extra Dolphins RBs he's talking about are Lamar Gordon, Sammy Morris and Travis Minor.
I would like Gordon or Morris. I believe the Eagles had interest in Morris a few years back too.
There have also been rumors out there that Najeh Davenport or Tony Fisher could be had since GB is worried they won't be able to keep The Mad Pooper after this year.
Ideally I'd love to get Davenport, but he'd be a one-year rental. He's repped by Rosenhaus and they have visions of grandeur for him when he hits UFA.
Hard to say until cuts start coming in. There's options, but who really knows. Plus a lot hinges on Buckhalter either playing or not right now.
Simon, Simoneau for Davenport, Ferguson, 3rd rounder.
I'd kill for that trade.
If Buck can't go, it's Dorsey Levens time.
Quote from: Larry on August 16, 2005, 01:41:52 PM
If Buck can't go, it's Dorsey Levens time.
I just threw up in my mouth. Thanks a lot, dickhead.
I really hate the Rams. If those fargers knew how to tackle Tapeh would be healthy.
Then he'd be the FB and Ritchie wouldn't have been re-signed...
Ritchie would have been resigned and Buck would be home smoking. Also, giant Ants from Neptune would be at war with the Space Marines/Atlanta Falcons.
Really? Wow.
I mean, I always thought Neptune only had normal-sized ants.
The Mad Pooper would be my first choice. Between the other guys it doesnt really matter at this point. And yeah, I would take Dorsey.
Dorsey won't be here this year. God isn't that cruel, trust me.
Quote from: MURP on August 16, 2005, 02:08:52 PM
The Mad Pooper would be my first choice. Between the other guys it doesnt really matter at this point. And yeah, I would take Dorsey.
Who is The Mad Pooper?
Monster, what about Dorsey's 4.6 (?) ypc average last year did you not like? He was extremely effective when called upon.
Mad Pooper = Najeh Davenport
Mad Pooper= Najeh Davenport
The space between "Pooper" and "=" is key.
Man Pooper = Najeh Davenport
Quote from: MURP on August 16, 2005, 04:36:21 PM
Mad Pooper= Najeh Davenport
Tell him why he's known as the "Mad pooper" :o
He took a shtein in some girl's closet.
And cloest isn't slang for anything.
Quote from: MURP on August 16, 2005, 02:08:52 PM
The Mad Pooper would be my first choice. Between the other guys it doesnt really matter at this point. And yeah, I would take Dorsey.
Do you really think they could bank on him yet again? The guys wheels have to fall off sometime don't they? I would try to get someone in here via trade or wait for teams to start waiving guys.
Does it make anyone else completely uncomfortable that our head coach has no desire to have a healthy bruising back on the team? That quote about him wishing he could throw a bunch of Westbrooks at teams is doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I've come to terms with it. He wants a fast, quick offense that can end a game at halftime. It would be nice to make sure that game is over at halftime by running out the clock, but that doesn't help Reid's fantasy football team.
I hope Moats. I'll frigin puke if it's Mahe. :-X :boo
Either Dorsey or another late cut we pick up.
How about instead of the Levens Pick up we start going to another Old Vet that is avalible.
Home town boy Eddie George. 150 Carries a yr would be great for the workout warrior.
Eddie George is completely finished. I'd rather line up Josh Parry at tailback.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 17, 2005, 01:46:15 PM
Eddie George is completely finished. I'd rather line up Josh Parry at tailback.
Agreed. George hasn't been the same since that 400 or so carry season.
i really liked moats from what i saw monday night...that said his style is identical to westbrook and a rookie. i like him to contribute somewhat this yr...cause u know he can shake the pants off some defenders....maybe even on special teams, say PR in the same way westbook was brought up.
anyway as for a good solid back up i wouldnt mind levens as a no other option left pick up but those miami RBs dont sound bad at all. davenport might cost us too much....but yeah id love to have him.
Quote from: Number1EaglesFan on August 16, 2005, 08:10:16 PM
I hope Moats. I'll frigin puke if it's Mahe. :-X :boo
Reno's 2 carries for 2 yards has soldified his role on this team - punt team that is.
I want to see more Bruce Perry.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 17, 2005, 05:09:50 PM
I want to see more Bruce Perry.
That might have been the gayest comment you've ever made. :-D
Gayer than naked limbo? I think not.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 17, 2005, 05:09:50 PM
I want to see more Bruce Perry.
I do too, but we already know he can't stay healthy. From what I saw on Monday he looked pretty solid.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 16, 2005, 08:14:11 PM
Either Dorsey or another late cut we pick up.
I'm fine with Dorsey coming back again if need be. More so than Eddie George. And not because George is beat up but just because he's so unfamiliar with the offense. It's too late in the game at this point to bring someone in who needs to learn the offense. Had it been prior to training camp then it would be a different story. But at this point gimme someone who's played in the WCO.
Not quite sure why the hate for Dorsey is going on over here, but he's done the job for us every time we needed him. He was big in the playoffs for us last year as well.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 17, 2005, 06:00:56 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 17, 2005, 05:09:50 PM
I want to see more Bruce Perry.
That might have been the gayest comment you've ever made. :-D
I think he meant Luke Perry- sideburns and all. ;)
Quote from: Double J on August 17, 2005, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 17, 2005, 05:09:50 PM
I want to see more Bruce Perry.
I do too, but we already know he can't stay healthy. From what I saw on Monday he looked pretty solid.
I hope Perry is able to handle the load and will be interested in seeing him in the second preseason game. I would have no problem with a Westbrook, Moats, Perry backfield if Buck can't come back. Of course, I'm still hoping Buck comes back.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 17, 2005, 08:23:07 PM
Not quite sure why the hate for Dorsey is going on over here, but he's done the job for us every time we needed him. He was big in the playoffs for us last year as well.
I agree, he has done nothing but play VERY well for the Eagles. I think with Moats and Westy, Levens would be the perfect guy to bring in for both $$$$$ reasons, and flat out production in this offense. He showed last year that he can run well between the tackles for us as well.
Dorsey Levens
2002 Philadelphia Eagles -- 75 carries 411 yards 5.5 yards per
2004 Philadelphia Eagles -- 94 carries 410 yards 4.4 yards per
2006 Philadelphia Eagles -- 124 carries 409 yards 3.3 yards per
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 17, 2005, 08:23:07 PM
Not quite sure why the hate for Dorsey is going on over here, but he's done the job for us every time we needed him. He was big in the playoffs for us last year as well.
I don't think it is hate, everybody is probably just wondering when he is not going to be effective. I wouldn't mind them bringing him in if it were the last option, I'd prefer that they got someone that was a little younger and fresher.
At this point, I'd trust Levens to be more durable than Buckhalter.
I just see Levens as a guy who hasnt had to be in camp so he is always fresh, who knows the offense, who knows pass protection, who is a veteran, and who has averaged well over 4ypc in the Eagles offense. The guy has a lot of upside with those abilities. Yes, I agree that at some point his career is done, but you also know that you are getting the positives mentioned above. The Eagles dont ask their RB's to carry the ball 300+ times a year so I dont think he would wear down.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 16, 2005, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: MURP on August 16, 2005, 02:08:52 PM
The Mad Pooper would be my first choice. Between the other guys it doesnt really matter at this point. And yeah, I would take Dorsey.
Who is The Mad Pooper?
Monster, what about Dorsey's 4.6 (?) ypc average last year did you not like? He was extremely effective when called upon.
He's nothing compared to Davenport, really.
I don't care about Dorsey's effectiveness. I don't want effectiveness I want superiority. I'm not one of those people that just settles on someone who's productive. I want the best. Dorsey is not good enough for what I want at RB. He can't break the big runs, and can't take it to the house. That is what I want. Buckhalter brings that. Buckhalter will play this season and will have a very good year, and for all the injury doubters, they will be the first ones to be hanging of his testicles when he's getting in the end zone and breaking big runs.
Yeah, or he'll get hurt and not do any of those things. Until he proves otherwise, he's fragile.
You can be fragile and stay healthy.
No. No you can't. Please stop saying stupid things now.
this thread is for if he isnt healthy....and for that situation we cant have an amazing rb, or superiority as u put it. thats why its called a backup role. working with the possibility he isnt healthy, levens isnt a bad backup to have.
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on August 20, 2005, 12:19:11 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 16, 2005, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: MURP on August 16, 2005, 02:08:52 PM
The Mad Pooper would be my first choice. Between the other guys it doesnt really matter at this point. And yeah, I would take Dorsey.
Who is The Mad Pooper?
Monster, what about Dorsey's 4.6 (?) ypc average last year did you not like? He was extremely effective when called upon.
He's nothing compared to Davenport, really.
Davenport's not really available. I'd rather them sign Levens for a minimum amount than use draft picks on Davenport.
After seeing Moats the last couple of weeks my concerns about the backup Rb position are not as great. The more I think about it the more I would like to see Dorsey back.
Quote from: Magical_Retard on August 20, 2005, 12:18:51 PM
this thread is for if he isnt healthy....and for that situation we cant have an amazing rb, or superiority as u put it. thats why its called a backup role. working with the possibility he isnt healthy, levens isnt a bad backup to have.
Buckhalter is superior to Levens. Can we get someone equal to the talent of Buckhalter if he can't play? Yep.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 20, 2005, 02:06:18 AM
No. No you can't. Please stop saying stupid things now.
You can keep asking, but apparently, it ain't happenin'.
Gargano's reporting we're bringing in a RB from the Phins (Gordon or Minor ???) and that a deal for a WR is in the works (no names or teams mentioned). Guess that means Buck is done for the season. :-\
Gordon or Minor. Now there are a couple of names that strike fear into the opposition. What WR could we possibly be offering? Seriously. McMullen? Yeesh.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2005, 03:26:34 PM
Gordon or Minor. Now there are a couple of names that strike fear into the opposition. What WR could we possibly be offering? Seriously. McMullen? Yeesh.
I'm pretty sure he meant a seperate deal for a wide-out.... 8) You can't expect much for Gordon or Minor, since they suck and Ricky and and the 1st rounder will be on the roster 1 of those dudes will probably get cut anyways....
Quote from: JailBird-man on August 22, 2005, 03:30:42 PM
I'm pretty sure he meant a seperate deal for a wide-out...
Ah right, that makes more sense. Carry on.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2005, 03:26:34 PM
Gordon or Minor. Now there are a couple of names that strike fear into the opposition. What WR could we possibly be offering? Seriously. McMullen? Yeesh.
(From the info I've gathered) we're not offering a WR but looking to bring another one in. I'm assuming we'll be getting Gordon for a late round pick.
If we're going after a Fins' RB, most probably it'll be Sammy Morris since he has played in an offense similar to ours (ie, Buffalo).
Buckhalter just can't be done for the season. It's not possible.
Quote from: Larry on August 22, 2005, 03:41:37 PM
If we're going after a Fins' RB, most probably it'll be Sammy Morris since he has played in an offense similar to ours (ie, Buffalo).
Good point. Hasn't he struggled with injuries too? :-\
Whatever happened with Gordon in St. Louis? They were so high on the guy coming out of North Dakota. He played some his rookie year and than disappeared. I thought the guy was perfect for the Rams. Nice transition from Faulk as Gordon was a bigger more physical back - not that Marshall wasn't a stud but he was wearing down.
He was traded to the Dolphins last season I think it was. A little bit after Ricky retired. He's not very good.
They were supposed to know the prognosis on Buck tonight. My guess is that they know he is done for the season, and they are waiting to announce until a trade has been completed with the Dolphins for Sammy Morris.
--From Eckel:
QuoteThe team also is interested in a veteran backup running back. Arizona released former Cowboy Troy Hambrick yesterday, which could spark some interest.
Hambrick, at 6-foot-1 and 233 pounds, has the size the Eagles covet. The five-year veteran spent his first four years in the league with Dallas. He rushed for 972 yards and five touchdowns in 2003. Last year with the Cardinals, he carried 63 times for 283 yards, an average of 4.5 yards per carry.
There also are rumors the Eagles could be interested in one of two backs from Miami, Sammy Morris (6-foot, 220), or Lamar Gordon (6-1, 228)
I realize that Eckel is just speculating on Hambrick, but I hope to God that he has no sources telling him this is a guy they'd be interested in. He fargin sucks.
Give me Morris or Gordon.
Gordon would be a nice pickup. Morris would be my second choice.
I agree about Handsofbrick. He blows.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 23, 2005, 05:15:18 AM
--From Eckel:
QuoteHambrick, at 6-foot-1 and 233 pounds, has the size the Eagles covet.
And the suckiness the Eagles tend to avoid. I hope they don't give Hambrick even a sniff.
Gordon or Morris? Eh...not sure if either player is worth more than a 7th rounder in trade. I'd rather see them bring back Dorsey, although Eckel said on the WIP morning show this morning that "sources" told him Levens would be a last resort. I'd guess they'd feel more comfortable bringing Dorsey in as a midseason replacement/insurance policy if needed, rather than bring him out of training camp for a full 16 game schedule, at his age.
We want Kevin Johnson!
::) ;)
Spudz and his painted on abs namedropped this morning:
QuoteDo the Eagles need a 230-pound back? And if they decide they do, where do they look?
The usual suspects are out there, led by Dorsey Levens. He had a fine season with the Eagles last year, but would he be a viable option? How about Tyrone Wheatley? Or Eddie George?
Or would the Eagles wait a while and see what shakes down after cuts are made and trade options are presented?
Then again, he also talked about Eckel....lol:
Quote
Reporters have water cooler discussions standing on the sidelines of practice. We gather and chat and share rumors and innuendo and, yes, information.
We speculate and pontificate and wonder if a team's decision makers are thinking as we are thinking.
So on Monday the conversation came down to a few positions regarding the Eagles: Offensive line, wide receiver and running back.
Most of the conversation I had was with Trenton Times reporter Mark Eckel. He and I have certainly had our disagreements over the years, but I truly respect his reporting abilities and his sources. He hits his stories, for the most part.
If Gordon came cheap, he'd be a good pickup. Sammy Morris would have to come VERY cheap. Minor would do nothing for us-- he's very Westbrook/Moats/Perry-like.
Others have said it, I agree completely...Eddie George was done three years ago, and his name shouldn't ever be mentioned even as a possibility.
BREAKING NEWS ON THE EAGLES HOME PAGE ON BUCKHALTER (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=33525)
Anyone else find it odd that there's an article to report that there's nothing to report?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2005, 04:54:07 PM
BREAKING NEWS ON THE EAGLES HOME PAGE ON BUCKHALTER (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=33525)
Anyone else find it odd that there's an article to report that there's nothing to report?
Anyone else find it odd that you're a dink?
my work blocks the Eagles website and i can't read the small font....
what's the deal?
Dink, dink. Dink dink dink, DINK DINK DINK!
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fyi: buck isnt healthy
you mean done for career
yeah, probably. i feel bad for the guy, when healthy he was a good back for this team.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 08:02:10 AM
Then again, he also talked about Eckel....lol:
Quote
Reporters have water cooler discussions standing on the sidelines of practice. We gather and chat and share rumors and innuendo and, yes, information.
We speculate and pontificate and wonder if a team's decision makers are thinking as we are thinking.
So on Monday the conversation came down to a few positions regarding the Eagles: Offensive line, wide receiver and running back.
Most of the conversation I had was with Trenton Times reporter Mark Eckel. He and I have certainly had our disagreements over the years, but I truly respect his reporting abilities and his sources. He hits his stories, for the most part.
I'm not down on Spadaro usually. He's good at what he does. But I have to draw the line here. Dave..you are not a reporter. You're a PR man. There is no "we" when you are standing in a group with reporters.
Nevermind that Eckel hits nothing, for the most part.
Yeah, that does sucks about Buck. Feel bad for the dude. Looks like it'll wrap up his career, unless by some miracle he gets healthy again and walks on somewhere. Wish him luck..... :-\
Whatever. Now that he's cooked the topic of this thread becomes more important. Who do we scoop up? I've gotta say I'm not really psyched about the idea of Sammy Morris.
Anyone else beside Levens that makes any sense?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 08:31:03 AM
Anyone else beside Levens that makes any sense?
Not really. Not to Reid anyway. He told me.
Yeah it does suck that he is out again. I feel bad for him too. :-\
FYI...the injury that he had was another torn patellar tendon in the same knee as last year. He had the season (career) ending surgery yesterday.
And it is going to be a Sammy Morris/Lamar Gordon/Dorsey Levens type back, guys. Nothing to get you excited.
I'd take Gordon or Morris. It's not like either one would be the primary back. But hell, Levens did a great job last year job. I would just rather get someone in who wil be permanent and stay healthy.
That 'type' of back doens't bother me, but I would prefer to get Gordon from that group than Morris. More up side even if he isn't really that WCO-knowledgable.
Well I believe both guys are UFA's after this year so upside isn't really something I'd worry about. Whichever guy is best suited to step in right now and carry the ball about 75-80 times this season, catch 10 or so passes and play STs is who I want.
anyone have confirmation?
Just came across the wire on ESPN radio on Mike N Mike
The Eagles offense is beginning to look like an emergency room and the season hasn't even started yet. :-\
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 08:45:37 AM
Just came across the wire on ESPN radio on Mike N Mike
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 24, 2005, 08:43:50 AM
anyone have confirmation?
Uh... it's been on PhiladelphiaEagles.com...
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 24, 2005, 08:46:23 AM
The Eagles offense is beginning to look like an emergency room and the season hasn't even started yet.
Not really. It's just Buck and Pinkston. And anyone who was counting on Buck to ever do anything for the team again needs to put down the glass dick and call their sponsor.
:-D
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 24, 2005, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 08:45:37 AM
Just came across the wire on ESPN radio on Mike N Mike
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 24, 2005, 08:43:50 AM
anyone have confirmation?
Uh... it's been on PhiladelphiaEagles.com...
sorry i cant view PE.com at work, Something's wrong with the cookies.
QuoteSEASON OVER FOR RB BUCKHALTER
August 23, 2005
By DAVE SPADARO
The Eagles Wednesday announced that RB Correll Buckhalter underwent season-ending surgery on Tuesday, August 23, to repair a torn patellar tendon in his right knee. The surgery was performed by Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Al. Buckhalter was injured in practice on August 5.
This is Buckhalter's second surgery to repair the patellar tendon in his right knee. He was originally injured during the second preseason game of 2004 vs. Baltimore on 8/20/04. He underwent surgery by Dr. Andrews six days later and was placed on the Injured Reserve list.
The fifth-year back suffered his injury during training camp. The injury was initially announced as a contusion of the knee. However, after a few days during which there was no apparent healing, the Eagles decided to have Buckhalter visit Dr. Andrews.
Correll Buckhalter and the Eagles await his test results
After another couple of weeks of rehab, Buckhalter again visited Dr. Andrews on Monday for an evaluation.
Buckhalter tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee in the spring before the 2002 season and then bounced back with a strong 2003 campaign. He then suffered a torn patellar tendon injury during a preseason game last year against Baltimore and missed the entire season.
The Eagles signed Buckhalter two a two-year contract in March after he briefly tested free agency, and Buckhalter made solid strides in his return to the playing field.
But he suffered the injury on August 5 and hasn't played since and now, he'll face another season-long rehabilitation process.
Who's going to smoke all the cheeba in Buck's absence?
Something's wrong with the cookies alright.
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Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 24, 2005, 08:53:07 AM
Who's going to smoke all the cheeba in Buck's absence?
I'll take a wild guess and say Captain Spach.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 08:47:34 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 24, 2005, 08:46:23 AM
The Eagles offense is beginning to look like an emergency room and the season hasn't even started yet.
Not really. It's just Buck and Pinkston. And anyone who was counting on Buck to ever do anything for the team again needs to put down the glass dick and call their sponsor.
And Jenkins. Which wouldn't be that bad of a loss if we didn't have a whiny unpredictable WR backed up by Carlos Perez and Robert Redd.
I'm going to print that picture and then spend all day at work coloring it. I hope I stay in the lines.
Based on what I have seen from Moats, he looks like he is going to be a bad ass, but can anyone imagine him pounding the ball between the tackles? I would prefer a big short yardage back. Dare I say it, but the Skins drafted two big guys late in the draft that don't look horrible, and they can't hold on to all of them. Even if the guy doesn't come from the Dolphins, I really see the FO waiting for everyone to make their cuts and giving up zero to grab someone off the "wire".
what about lawrence phillips???
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2005, 09:06:28 AM
what about lawrence phillips???
Shut up, or I'll pay him off to hit you with his car.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 24, 2005, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2005, 09:06:28 AM
what about lawrence phillips???
Shut up, or I'll pay him off to hit you with his car.
That'll set you back a whopping 35 cents.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 24, 2005, 09:00:33 AM
Based on what I have seen from Moats, he looks like he is going to be a bad ass, but can anyone imagine him pounding the ball between the tackles? I would prefer a big short yardage back. Dare I say it, but the Skins drafted two big guys late in the draft that don't look horrible, and they can't hold on to all of them. Even if the guy doesn't come from the Dolphins, I really see the FO waiting for everyone to make their cuts and giving up zero to grab someone off the "wire".
If you watch Moats' highlights from LaTech you'll see that he has no trouble at all running betwen the tackles. Even Brad Childress sid that yesterday. He said that Moats will take it inside.
Just because he's 5'7/5'8 doesn't mean he cannot go inside, bro. He's got the leg drive, leverage and toughness to take it up in there.
If we're talking about needing a big back to gain third and short yardage, how about look at a big old lineman ala "The Fridge". Run him behind Runyan and Big Sean - an instant 2 yards.
If you watch Moats' highlights from LaTech you'll see that he has no trouble at all running betwen the tackles. Even Brad Childress sid that yesterday. He said that Moats will take it inside
absolutely...in fact he did much more between the tackles than outside of them in college...in fact it was funny to hear moats himself say last week that what he really needs to work on more than anything is his pass catching because he did very little of it at la tech...is he a 25 carry guy in the pros...not at all...but hes much closer to that than he is to being eric metcalf...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
If you watch Moats' highlights from LaTech you'll see that he has no trouble at all running betwen the tackles. Even Brad Childress sid that yesterday. He said that Moats will take it inside.
Just because he's 5'7/5'8 doesn't mean he cannot go inside, bro. He's got the leg drive, leverage and toughness to take it up in there.
I agree with what you are saying, but I don't think I see him being able to "pound" the ball between the tackles play after play to eat up clock. I'm sure he can do it, but I don't think that is A) the best way to use Moats or B) the reason he was drafted. One thing I like from what I've seen from Moats though, is how the defense seems to lose him when he is coming up the middle, hidding behind the tackles and guards....
Is it just me or is rjs really "on" today with the refreshingly miserable sarcastic comments?
:-D
If Reid doesnt think they can pound the ball they wont. He has never been shy to throw a bomb on 3rd and 1.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 24, 2005, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
If you watch Moats' highlights from LaTech you'll see that he has no trouble at all running betwen the tackles. Even Brad Childress sid that yesterday. He said that Moats will take it inside.
Just because he's 5'7/5'8 doesn't mean he cannot go inside, bro. He's got the leg drive, leverage and toughness to take it up in there.
I agree with what you are saying, but I don't think I see him being able to "pound" the ball between the tackles play after play to eat up clock. I'm sure he can do it, but I don't think that is A) the best way to use Moats or B) the reason he was drafted. One thing I like from what I've seen from Moats though, is how the defense seems to lose him when he is coming up the middle, hidding behind the tackles and guards....
But when has Reid ever pounded the ball to eat clock? We're talkin' 'bout Andy Reid here, man. The only time I remember him "pounding" the ball was when Donovan got hurt. And even then he didn't really pound it, just ran it a little more than normal. And maybe his first year as the Birds HC too.
He is a pass happy coach. Has been and always will be, man.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:21:28 AM
But when has Reid ever pounded the ball to eat clock? We're talkin' 'bout Andy Reid here, man. The only time I remember him "pounding" the ball was when Donovan got hurt. And even then he didn't really pound it, just ran it a little more than normal. And maybe his first year as the Birds HC too.
He is a pass happy coach. Has been and always will be, man.
The problem I have is that when he did commit to pounding the ball we were very successful at it. I'm guilty of coveting the kind of offense that we had the year of the 3-headed monster. Granted McNabb was hurt and when Westbrook got hurt for the playoffs the offense went to shtein, but that pounding offense really kicked a lot of ass. Reid HAD to learn something from that... didn't he?
And he's been successful at throwing it around the field like crazy too. I could understand the whole "let's pound the rock more" theory if the Eagles weren't successful at throwing, but they are very good at the scheme they run.
As long as Donovan is the quarterback and the best player on offense, why would the Eagles take the ball out of his hands more often?
I love smashmouth football as much as the next guy but the Eagles have been insanely successful with the pass-first mentality.
Why change that?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:27:11 AM
And he's been successful at throwing it around the field like crazy too. I could understand the whole "let's pound the rock more" theory if the Eagles weren't successful at throwing, but they are very good at the scheme they run.
yeah, but they could use a little more balance. i think if they run the ball more during the season they would able to run out the clock in games later in the year. if you remember last year, there were a couple games when they got the ball back with approx. 5 min left in the game and they would go 3 and out because they couldn't run. and of course, there was the Super Bowl when the run game was pathetic, forcing McNabb to throw 50+ times and wearing him down for the end.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:27:11 AM
And he's been successful at throwing it around the field like crazy too. I could understand the whole "let's pound the rock more" theory if the Eagles weren't successful at throwing, but they are very good at the scheme they run.
No doubt, but (maybe this is my own miserable paranoia seeping through) but I feel like in spite of our ability to throw, we lead the league in three and outs every year. We never have any sort of TOP advantage, even when we're crushing teams, and that makes me nervous. Allows too much time for a patient team to grind its way back or just to stay in the game (like the friggin Browns game from last year. If we control the clock there's no chance that goes into overtime.)
We need to acquire someone to replace Buckhalter. The arguments that we don't are kind of silly.
It occurs to me that now that the Eagles have Runyan and Andrews together, running the football will get considerably easier this season.
Still, Andy's all about the pass. We know that; we accept that; we move on.
PS: I agree with FF here. Buck has to be replaced and not by another scatback type. :-\
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2005, 09:32:12 AM
We need to acquire someone to replace Buckhalter. The arguments that we don't are kind of silly.
Not to play the role of PG but I don't think anyone is saying that we don't need a replacement, I think we're just talking about the type of back that we need and whether or not they'll be utilized in a way that we hope they are. Whatever.
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I would like to nibble her growler repeatedly...
I'd like to have her taint bronzed and mounted on a plaque for future generations to enjoy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 24, 2005, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:11:00 AM
If you watch Moats' highlights from LaTech you'll see that he has no trouble at all running betwen the tackles. Even Brad Childress sid that yesterday. He said that Moats will take it inside.
Just because he's 5'7/5'8 doesn't mean he cannot go inside, bro. He's got the leg drive, leverage and toughness to take it up in there.
I agree with what you are saying, but I don't think I see him being able to "pound" the ball between the tackles play after play to eat up clock. I'm sure he can do it, but I don't think that is A) the best way to use Moats or B) the reason he was drafted. One thing I like from what I've seen from Moats though, is how the defense seems to lose him when he is coming up the middle, hidding behind the tackles and guards....
But when has Reid ever pounded the ball to eat clock? We're talkin' 'bout Andy Reid here, man. The only time I remember him "pounding" the ball was when Donovan got hurt. And even then he didn't really pound it, just ran it a little more than normal. And maybe his first year as the Birds HC too.
He is a pass happy coach. Has been and always will be, man.
Not for one minute am I doubting Reid's pass first mentality. It works great, and it is exciting as hell. He means to end the game at half-time as Madden put it on MNF. But the thing I don't like is once we have a commanding lead, we don't have a way to really chew up a lot of clock. Running the ball inside with a good lead in fourth quarter makes the most sense, and I feel the Eagles need a more punishing back to do so. I am not saying I want to get away from being a pass first offense, but switch a bit with a lead towards the end of the game, and grind down the clock and opposing defenses.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 24, 2005, 09:42:34 AM
I'd like to have her taint bronzed and mounted on a plaque for future generations to enjoy.
I'll sign that petition.
Well, Buck is had season ending surgery. Let's see if Perry and Moats can rise to the occasion.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:27:11 AM
And he's been successful at throwing it around the field like crazy too. I could understand the whole "let's pound the rock more" theory if the Eagles weren't successful at throwing, but they are very good at the scheme they run.
yeah, but they could use a little more balance. i think if they run the ball more during the season they would able to run out the clock in games later in the year. if you remember last year, there were a couple games when they got the ball back with approx. 5 min left in the game and they would go 3 and out because they couldn't run. and of course, there was the Super Bowl when the run game was pathetic, forcing McNabb to throw 50+ times and wearing him down for the end.
I'm not saying that I am opposed to them running the ball more. Hell, I was screaming like hell during the Carolina NFCCG for that to happen because it was so darn effective.
And I don't think the SB is a good example because they were forced to throw the ball since they got behind and the OL couldn't block the Pats. Actually, the OL's inability to block the Pats scheme was the real reason they did not have more success running the ball.
Would I like to see more running? At times, yes. But I am not going to suggest that they scrap the system that has been so great for them in order to go with something that may or may not work with the personnel they have this moment.
I loved Duce and how he ran the ball. I would like to see that type of running mixed in with the passing game, but if it isn't then I will be fine with it.
But we're getting way off topic here I think because regardless of if Buck was here or not - they were still going to throw the majority of the time. The loss of Correll isn't earth shattering.
Like I said earlier - Childress said that they re looking to get Westbrook more touches. So the #2 RB will see less than the 94 carries that Dorsey saw last year.
We need a guy to run it about 80 times this year, catch it, block and play STs.
Moats will also see some carries too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:49:39 AM
We need a guy to run it about 80 times this year, catch it, block and play STs.
Moats will also see some carries too.
Another problem with Moats will be his ability to pick up blitzes. It's always the hardest thing for rookie RBs to learn. Not taking anything away from Moats, but he'll need time before he is adept at reading defenses and picking up defenders.
Let's see if Perry and Moats can rise to the occasion.
if its even possible perry might be more injury prone than buck...wouldnt count on him for nothing
fairhill represent
I think Moats is a little green, and he is the same type of back as Westbrook. C-Buck was our change of pace back. Maybe it's time to bring back Dorsey. Maybe there's another option out there. 3rd and 1 at the 1 yard line. Who's going to punch it in between the tackles?
How about Spach or Ritchie? Fullbacks are pretty big, and Spach played some in college. Just saying....
QuoteWe need a guy to run it about 80 times this year, catch it, block and play STs.
This sounds like a job for.....Reno Mahe. 8)
Quote from: Larry on August 24, 2005, 10:37:39 AM
QuoteWe need a guy to run it about 80 times this year, catch it, block and play STs.
This sounds like a job for.....Reno Mahe. 8)
You guys think Mahe will beat out Perry? I know Mahe is more versataile, and I know what Larry thinks ;D I think Perrys size and strength should give him a shot of making the 53 man.
Mahe sucks so bad. There HAS to be someone else that can catch a punt.
I wouldn't be sending anyone back to that Doc.
I think Perrys size and strength should give him a shot of making the 53 man.
???
You knew things were bad for Buckhalter when the team didn't have any news on his condition on Monday.
At least we found out about this now rather than during the season.
I believe the Birds should see how the compition between Mahe and Perry shakes out. Then when cuts come see if anything better shakes lose. And if not Westbrook, Moats, Mahe. And Dorsey on Retainer is fine with me.
I like Dorsey, but he's 35. Isn't there any other option but that? Let's trade Simon!!
Quote from: TempleOwl on August 24, 2005, 11:39:09 AM
I like Dorsey, but he's 35. Isn't there any other option but that? Let's trade Simon!!
I wouldn't be for rolling Simon into deal for just a running back. At most, the guy would only get 50% of the workload. If another team would be willing to package an OK runningback and some picks, or other players, I'd be fine with it. I'd rather use Simon for trade bait in a better position. WR, Fullback, TE, something like that. At most it'll be a three-headed monster, and Simon is a (would-be) starter.
Also, it's probably high time to take C-Buck of the CF banner. Soon it'll be Akers and Mahe alone up there. :paranoid
I am pleasantly pleased (in some ways) with Buck going down. I've always been a Perry fan and he was battling Mahe to make the roster. Now, if the Birds don't bring in Dorsey for help, then they'd stick with Westy, Moats, Perry, Mahe.
Quote from: TempleOwl on August 24, 2005, 11:39:09 AM
Let's trade Simon!!
If only we could. His demands are too high for anyone to sign him. Twice the Eagles had deals on the table, twice they fell apart because Simon thinks he's some kind of super star.
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 11:48:43 AM
I am pleasantly pleased (in some ways) with Buck going down.
So am I. Buckhalter fans have been making me throw up in my mouth for years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2005, 11:13:50 AM
I think Perrys size and strength should give him a shot of making the 53 man.
???
Perry is a scat back too...
At least the waiting for the inevitable is over. Scrub those letters off the No. 28 jerseys and let's move on.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 24, 2005, 11:51:42 AM
At least the waiting for the inevitable is over. Scrub those letters off the No. 28 jerseys and let's move on.
Amen.
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 11:48:43 AM
I am pleasantly pleased (in some ways) with Buck going down. I've always been a Perry fan and he was battling Mahe to make the roster.
what a stupid thing to say. perry is more injury prone than Buck, i'll be surprised if he can even make the team.
Buckhalter, when healthy, was a good running back and a good compliment to Westbrook
The Dolphins site has Sammy Morris listed at 6'0" and 218lbs.....and list him as a FB :paranoid.
They have Gordon listed at 6'1" and 223. Seems a little light for his size. Considering Ricky in his withered state is 5'10" and 226.
Lamar Gordon's career has been marred with injury too, hasn't it? The Fins traded a 3rd (i think) for him and he barely played for them. Screw that.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:00:44 PMBuckhalter, when healthy, was a good running back and a good compliment to Westbrook
He's just a schmoe on the street now. A schmoe who will be a cripple by the time he's 40, with nothing to show for it.
Why can't people let go of this?
Buck has been done for over a year now. And even when he was healthy, which was rarely, he was so one-dimensional that the coaches didn't trust him to block or run the correct pass patterns. Wah wah wah, Buckhalter's injured. Jesus, stop living in 2001.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 24, 2005, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:00:44 PMBuckhalter, when healthy, was a good running back and a good compliment to Westbrook
He's just a schmoe on the street now. A schmoe who will be a cripple by the time he's 40, with nothing to show for it.
so what? that wasn't my point. rjs made comments about Buckhalter's fans making him throw up or whatever, implying that Buckhalter was never a good back. he's wrong.
You sure don't like to back up your statements with any evidence.
Buckhalter was a good runner. Documentedly TERRIBLE at picking up the blitz and in a pass-first offense that uses the RBs as receivers mustered a whopping 23 career catches.
One dimensional. And Fragile. Yeah, his fans make me throw up in my mouth. Eat it.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 12:23:24 PM
You sure don't like to back up your statements with any evidence.
Buckhalter was a good runner. Documentedly TERRIBLE at picking up the blitz and in a pass-first offense that uses the RBs as receivers mustered a whopping 23 career catches.
One dimensional. And Fragile. Yeah, his fans make me throw up in my mouth. Eat it.
i said he is a good compliment to Westbrook, Westbrook is a good pass reciever, why would you want a compliment back to catch the ball, he's there to get running yards.
I havent read through all the pages, and dont intend to. But imagine if Tapeh didnt get injured. Farg. :boo
Anyone know when hes supposed to come back?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:25:08 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 12:23:24 PM
You sure don't like to back up your statements with any evidence.
Buckhalter was a good runner. Documentedly TERRIBLE at picking up the blitz and in a pass-first offense that uses the RBs as receivers mustered a whopping 23 career catches.
One dimensional. And Fragile. Yeah, his fans make me throw up in my mouth. Eat it.
i said he is a good compliment to Westbrook, Westbrook is a good pass reciever, why would you want a compliment back to catch the ball, he's there to get running yards.
Let's look at it this way. In four years, he has played two. That's fifty percent. That makes him a failure in most circles. The majority of the time he's been with the organization he has not played. So yeah, I think RJS has a point. You can "if" it to death, but when it comes down to it, he was only a good "compliment" fifty percent of the time.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 24, 2005, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:25:08 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 12:23:24 PM
You sure don't like to back up your statements with any evidence.
Buckhalter was a good runner. Documentedly TERRIBLE at picking up the blitz and in a pass-first offense that uses the RBs as receivers mustered a whopping 23 career catches.
One dimensional. And Fragile. Yeah, his fans make me throw up in my mouth. Eat it.
i said he is a good compliment to Westbrook, Westbrook is a good pass reciever, why would you want a compliment back to catch the ball, he's there to get running yards.
Let's look at it this way. In four years, he has played two. That's fifty percent. That makes him a failure in most circles. The majority of the time he's been with the organization he has not played. So yeah, I think RJS has a point. You can "if" it to death, but when it comes down to it, he was only a good "compliment" fifty percent of the time.
the bottom line is, any fan of a team that is happy when one of their players gets hurt is a scumbag.
Oh whatever, everybody shut up. It's time to sign Chris Warren.
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 24, 2005, 12:46:17 PM
Oh whatever, everybody shut up. It's time to sign Chris Warren.
i was leaning towards Heath Sherman or Darnell Autry
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:46:11 PMthe bottom line is, any fan of a team that is happy when one of their players gets hurt is a scumbag.
Proof positive that irony is lost on fools.
I wonder if we could pry Marcel Shipp out from under the AZ Cardinals?? :paranoid
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 12:49:49 PM
I wonder if we could pry Marcel Shipp out from under the AZ Cardinals?? :paranoid
I dont think Zona is going to give up Shipp days after cutting Hambrick when they have a rook starting at RB.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 24, 2005, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:46:11 PMthe bottom line is, any fan of a team that is happy when one of their players gets hurt is a scumbag.
Proof positive that irony is lost on fools.
what's ironic about:
QuoteI am pleasantly pleased (in some ways) with Buck going down.
Oh, well even better then. Get Hambrick! :-\
Didn't Troy Hambrick get released last week?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:46:11 PM
the bottom line is, any fan of a team that is happy when one of their players gets hurt is a scumbag.
Dude, take it easy. I don't think RJS or Dio were cheerleading the fact that Buck was hurt. But just like Monty Python, they were looking on the brightside.....
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Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 24, 2005, 12:55:24 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:46:11 PM
the bottom line is, any fan of a team that is happy when one of their players gets hurt is a scumbag.
Dude, take it easy. I don't think RJS or Dio were cheerleading the fact that Buck was hurt. But just like Monty Python, they were looking on the brightside.....
being "pleasantly pleased" is looking at the bright side
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 11:48:43 AM
I am pleasantly pleased (in some ways) with Buck going down. I've always been a Perry fan and he was battling Mahe to make the roster.
what a stupid thing to say. perry is more injury prone than Buck, i'll be surprised if he can even make the team.
Buckhalter, when healthy, was a good running back and a good compliment to Westbrook
So saying that I was a fan of Perry and that I was happy since before Buck going down, since he was battling with Mahe for the #4 RB spot behind Westy, Buck, Moats, was a stupid thing to say? How so?
I never said Perry was not injury-prone, and if you have followed him it all you'd know that he just has been unlucky the past 3 years...3 unrelated injuries....not to mention he has a late round pick last year but lost any chance of making the active roster when he went on IR thanks to his shoulder. Buck has had more injury problems (specifically to his knees) then Perry has for a RB.
Point is, please read a post and take what's there, nothing more. Should I call you stupid for being a retard? And by the way, I would rather have a healthy Buck(key word=healthy) over Perry, Mahe, etc., but am also a Bruce Perry fan. So in some ways, I was happy to hear about it after the initial disappointment...it opens the door for someone I think has talent. My opinion. If Trent Green never went down in StL, would Kurt Warner be an MVP and have a ring? I doubt it....
How's Brandon Jacobs doing :'(
I don't root for players to get injured. Well sometimes I do, but not OUR players. Well sometimes our players, but only when they suck. Like Buckhalter.
Get a sense of humor and stop taking everything literally for fargs sake. I'm glad he's off the team because he's been nothing but a 'what-if' player, a terrible blocker and an even worse receiver since the first day we drafted him. He's been paid some money to play a game, he's been given better medical attention than any of us will ever receive and now he's going to be out of the league. Peace.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 24, 2005, 12:55:24 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:46:11 PM
the bottom line is, any fan of a team that is happy when one of their players gets hurt is a scumbag.
Dude, take it easy. I don't think RJS or Dio were cheerleading the fact that Buck was hurt. But just like Monty Python, they were looking on the brightside.....
I'll bet if you ask rjs, he'll tell you that he indeed is happy about Buck.
Nevermind...he beat me to it.
Buck is gone...time to fill his roster slot.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 24, 2005, 01:02:04 PM
How's Brandon Jacobs doing :'(
Sorry, I have to do it. ::)
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 01:01:07 PM
Point is, please read a post and take what's there, nothing more.
i did that, you said you were pleased that Buckhalter got hurt. and that's a stupid thing to say. sorry.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 24, 2005, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:46:11 PMthe bottom line is, any fan of a team that is happy when one of their players gets hurt is a scumbag.
Proof positive that irony is lost on fools.
what's ironic about:
QuoteI am pleasantly pleased (in some ways) with Buck going down.
The irony can be found in the part where you call someone a scumbag. Except you're too dumb to appreciate it, so I have to spell it out.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 01:02:42 PM
I don't root for players to get injured. Well sometimes I do, but not OUR players. Well sometimes our players, but only when they suck. Like Buckhalter.
:-D :-D :-D :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead
Actually RJS, I'd bet you'd for just about anyone to get maimed or killed on the field. You'd probably be a big fan of barbed wire and land mines to avoid on the goal line.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 01:02:42 PM
I don't root for players to get injured. Well sometimes I do, but not OUR players. Well sometimes our players, but only when they suck. Like Buckhalter.
Get a sense of humor and stop taking everything literally for fargs sake. I'm glad he's off the team because he's been nothing but a 'what-if' player, a terrible blocker and an even worse receiver since the first day we drafted him. He's been paid some money to play a game, he's been given better medical attention than any of us will ever receive and now he's going to be out of the league. Peace.
i have a great sense of humor. for example, i would laugh for days if you got hit by a drunk driver on the way to a family member's wedding.
Its pretty funny how fired up you're getting about this, Sun_Mo. You're pretty easy to instigate.
Wow...now that is harsh.
Oooh. Tough words on the internet. You're so hard core, Suck More.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 01:06:29 PM
Its pretty funny how fired up you're getting about this, Sun_Mo. You're pretty easy to instigate.
not fired up at all, but thanks for caring.
Harsh yes, but rather funny.
And Mikey, you can call him stupid for being a retard, but your can't call him a stupid retarded dink.
I'd say you're pretty fired up if you make a comment like that.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 24, 2005, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 24, 2005, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 12:46:11 PMthe bottom line is, any fan of a team that is happy when one of their players gets hurt is a scumbag.
Proof positive that irony is lost on fools.
what's ironic about:
QuoteI am pleasantly pleased (in some ways) with Buck going down.
The irony can be found in the part where you call someone a scumbag. Except you're too dumb to appreciate it, so I have to spell it out.
wow, you need to get yourself a dictionary and look up the word ironic.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 01:01:07 PM
Point is, please read a post and take what's there, nothing more.
i did that, you said you were pleased that Buckhalter got hurt. and that's a stupid thing to say. sorry.
I said I was kinda pleased that he got hurt since it gives Perry a legit shot to make the team and contribute. That's all. You have to look at the reasoning too idiot. I could rip apart segments of your posts too if I chose too and point out how you say stupid things too. Point is, you need to learn how to take things in context.
Anyone that is more a fan of Mahe, Perry, Moats than of Buck can be 'pleased' in some way since now someone they like better has a shot at stepping up. Just like I know some people may be 'pleased' in some ways if McNair went down and Volek got moved up to the starter.
Did you support Doug Peterson as the QB or did you hope for an injury and McNabb stepping in? I know i hoped for that Peterson injury....
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 01:08:33 PM
I'd say you're pretty fired up if you make a comment like that.
not at all, we were talking about sense of humor, and i was showing that i have one
I vote for Volek!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 01:08:33 PM
I'd say you're pretty fired up if you make a comment like that.
No way dude. He's not fired up. He's perfectly calm. Perfectly.
:-D :-D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 01:08:33 PM
I'd say you're pretty fired up if you make a comment like that.
not at all, we were talking about sense of humor, and i was showing that i have one
So talking about being involved in a car accident with a drunk driver while on the way to an important wedding is funny? If that is, then you are one sick SOB with a very f-ed up sense of humor.
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 01:08:59 PM
Did you support Doug Peterson as the QB or did you hope for an injury and McNabb stepping in? I know i hoped for that Peterson injury....
And don't think McNabb doesn't thank you for your hopes and wishes which manifested themselves in Peterson's injury, and McNabb's subsequent rise...... :paranoid
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 01:08:33 PM
I'd say you're pretty fired up if you make a comment like that.
No way dude. He's not fired up. He's perfectly calm. Perfectly.
Now RJS - please don't call him a dink....then that will set him off and you will feel online rage like never before.
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 01:08:33 PM
I'd say you're pretty fired up if you make a comment like that.
not at all, we were talking about sense of humor, and i was showing that i have one
So talking about being involved in a car accident with a drunk driver while on the way to an important wedding is funny? If that is, then you are one sick SOB with a very f-ed up sense of humor.
yeah, but at least i don't root for players on my favorite team to get hurt.
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Well i don't know how you could think that not rooting for players to get hurt is better than wishing for someone to be killed by a drunk driver. Unless you were a closet Cowpuke fan?! :o
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 01:15:18 PM
Well i don't know how you could think that not rooting for players to get hurt is better than wishing for someone to be killed by a driver high on crack cocaine. Unless you were a closet Cowpuke fan?! :o
Fixed. He could then also be a Ratbird fan.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 24, 2005, 01:14:38 PM
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With a left and a right and alba butt shot, RJS knocks him out for the count...
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 01:13:46 PM
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 24, 2005, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 24, 2005, 01:08:33 PM
I'd say you're pretty fired up if you make a comment like that.
not at all, we were talking about sense of humor, and i was showing that i have one
So talking about being involved in a car accident with a drunk driver while on the way to an important wedding is funny? If that is, then you are one sick SOB with a very f-ed up sense of humor.
yeah, but at least i don't root for players on my favorite team to get hurt.
And where, in any of my posts did i root for anyone to get hurt? Moron.
And while the word crack is being used...I do bark at that Alba crack.
Quote from: mikey418 on August 24, 2005, 01:16:21 PM
And where, in any of my posts did i root for anyone to get hurt? Moron.
don't be upset because you are a fake fan and I called you on it
QuoteDid you support Doug Peterson as the QB or did you hope for an injury and McNabb stepping in? I know i hoped for that Peterson injury....
From PE.com. Back on topic.
Quote
Examining Depth Of Eagles' RB Situation
August 24, 2005
How many running backs do the Eagles need? That's what Andy Reid and his staff must ponder. They want depth and they want versatility and they want production.
A three-headed monster at running back? It sure would be nice, it sure would be perfect and in light of the news that the Eagles will again be without Correll Buckhalter for the season, the team understands that several options are to be considered if the balance of a three-way RB situation is to be realized.
But do the Eagles need to go that route? Last year's running back picture featured Brian Westbrook, Dorsey Levens and Reno Mahe, not exactly your ideal "three-headed monster" rotation. In fact, the Eagles spread the ball around the entire season. Westbrook had 177 carries, Levens added 94 and Mahe chipped in with 23 carries. The team's third-leading rusher was Donovan McNabb, who ran 41 times for 220 yards.
The team averaged 4.4 yards per carry, again showing that when it wanted to run, it usually ran with success. The Super Bowl, of course, was a different story in that regard. The Eagles ran the ball only 17 times and Westbrook had 15 of those attempts for only 44 yards. More on that later...
What the Eagles have to weigh right now is what they have at running back versus what they can add with another player and, this is key, how they can make it all work within the 53-man roster.
If you were to take it purely, right now, as Westbrook/Levens/Mahe vs. Westbrook/Ryan Moats/Mahe, boy, that's a tough one. Levens was a terrific help last year and there is no denying his physical presence, his intelligence within the system and his all-around skills. But Moats is a special kind of talent. He is a change-of-pace back in the sense that he may have, as offensive coordinator Brad Childress pointed out on Tuesday, "a step on Brian in terms of top-end speed."
In other words, the kid is a potential game-breaking player.
The Eagles can go one of several ways with their backs and, trust me, they've considered their options long before now. Everyone knew that Buckhalter was a risk with his knees and the Eagles signed him to a low-risk, high-reward two-year contract in March. It is a shame that he is hurt again. Such a nice kid and such a talented player ...
But you have to move on and the Eagles know they can do so in the following ways:
1. Keep Things As They Are
They could go into the season with Westbrook, Moats and Mahe -- or Bruce Perry, if Perry beats out Mahe in these final two weeks of the preseason. At this point, Mahe gets the nod based on his versatility and the fact that he's had a fine preseason.
If the Eagles chose that route, they would have three smaller-sized backs. This group would present interesting matchup challenges for defenses, but it would be lacking in sheer jackhammer size. How many times could the Eagles run it up between the tackles in a tight formation with Westbrook and Moats? Who would be the go-to back in a third-and-1 situation? You can't pass all the time, can you? You have to keep the defenses honest, right?
What makes this a more viable option than you think is the 53-man roster. The Eagles are jammed. They have a bunch of young offensive linemen they'd love to keep. They are chock full of keepers at defensive tackle and defensive end. The punter situation, hey, that is going to come right down to the wire. What if Dirk Johnson isn't ready to punt when the 53-man roster must be set? What then? The linebacker depth chart is crammed and is going to be challenging to sift through.
So three backs on the 53-man roster? Maybe. Even if it is for a day or two or three or a week, even. The Eagles yo-yoed Levens early in the 2004 season for that very reason. They had other positions to fill to get to 53 on the active roster.
I would say it's likely the Eagles will add a back here. That is my guess. But it is not out of the realm of possibility that the Eagles goes with only three at the time the final cuts are made. Somehow, they have to fit about 57 worthy players into a 53-man roster. That won't be easy.
2. Add A Power Back Now
There are options out there. Levens is one, of course. He's a superbly-conditioned man who knows this system inside and out and who can jump on a flight and be here tomorrow and help in the game on Friday.
There are also a few other "names" on the streets. Tyrone Wheatley, a short-yardage specialist from his days in Oakland, is available. Eddie George has not yet been signed. Troy Hambrick was recently cut by the Cardinals.
The motive to make this move is to get somebody in here quickly, get him into the scheme and familiar with his surroundings and get him ready for the regular season.
The role of this back is to do some of the dirty work -- especially the pass protection in a single-back set to keep Donovan McNabb clean on the blitz. That's why Levens was so good last year. He blocked well. He was physical. He knew the protection schemes and just did not make mental mistakes.
I can't tell you if Wheatley is a good blocker or if George has ever been called on to block or whether Hambrick is capable of helping here. But don't think the big back is simply the grinder to get to the sticks on third and 1. No. He has to block. That's actually his primary responsibility in this role.
3. Wait, See How Things Shake Out
The cuts are coming in the next two weeks. The Eagles are on top of things. They know a lot more than we do as far as who is expected to come free.
So maybe the team waits. The coaches take a longer look at Mahe and Perry. They figure out how to use Moats, who is clearly a dynamic player with the ball in his hands. The one area in which he needs to improve -- experience is his only teacher here -- is the protection scheme. Bottom line: Can the Eagles rely on Moats in a single-back set to block for McNabb, to take on a charging linebacker? It's obviously better to have a bigger, stronger back in that role, but if Moats demonstrates he can handle the responsibility, then ...
In the end, the Eagles will cover themselves at running back. They didn't run the ball well in the Super Bowl for a number of reasons -- the Patriots battled at the line of scrimmage and plugged up holes and the game plan was to spread the field and throw the ball -- so the Eagles went into the off-season interested in addressing running back.
They signed Buckhalter, whom they hoped would be on the comeback trail. He was, until he took a hit in training camp and that troublesome right knee blew up on him and, well, now you wonder if he will ever play in the NFL again.
They drafted Moats in the third round, and he's clearly got all the talent in the world as a runner and a pass catcher. Is he ready to play a lot in his rookie season, or will he be like Westbrook was in 2002, when the Villanova rookie was a rare participant in the offense as he learned the nuances of the West Coast scheme?
This is not a situation where the Eagles have to, pardon the pun, rush into anything. They have options. They have time. They have a lot of things to consider, which makes the next move so interesting to watch.
This thread has run its course. start a new one on RB's.