I hadn't been looking but the last time I filled my gas tank, gas was $2.16 a gallon for regular. That was about a week ago. I went past that same station today (which has the lowest price in this area) and its farging $2.46 for regular.
Farging farg farg farg! :boom :boom :boom This is farging ridiculous already. :boom :boom :boom
Quit driving then quit bitching.
That's cheap compared to what Europeans pay, and compared to its actual value. Americans are spoiled brats. You too, PG.
Gas in Iraq is about a nickle a gallon.
That's what your ex charges.
I would she would charge all the people she's been banging. At least then she'd have a farging job.
my favorite is when they do a news story on gas prices and they interview people at the pump... classic.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 12, 2005, 02:54:08 PM
That's cheap compared to what Europeans pay, and compared to its actual value. Americans are spoiled brats. You too, PG.
Americans are spoiled brats because the Europeans decide to tax their gas at ridiculous levels (up 75% of its total cost)?
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/price.html
The gas here went from $2.46 to $2.57 in 2 days
Quote from: Joel1972 on August 12, 2005, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 12, 2005, 02:54:08 PM
That's cheap compared to what Europeans pay, and compared to its actual value. Americans are spoiled brats. You too, PG.
Americans are spoiled brats because the Europeans decide to tax their gas at ridiculous levels (up 75% of its total cost)?
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/price.html
Yep. And they have better roads, better cars, better drivers, and better mass transit as a result. Fact is, the stuff should be taxed at that rate. Makes for a better society.
It's close to three bucks in san diego and is past the 2.65 mark over here....and counting. Dio...how much does a full tank of gas on a motorcycle last?(how many miles)
I filled my car up on my lunch break, 2.78 per gallon for regular unleaded, this is in Burbank Ca. P.S. Jay Leno says hi!
Depends how big the tank is and what kind of bike. I average 37 mpg, but I beat the shtein out of it and waste lots of gas. I've got about 4.5 gallon tank/180 range before reserve comes on. It's a new (to me) bike, so I don't know how far I could make it after that..I usually just fill up then.
And I literally don't look at how much it costs. I need it. Who cares how much it costs. It's not work driving to another station for 3 cents per gallon difference on a four gallon fill up.
yea no shtein...i filled my tank up the other day, fargin 37$. son of a bitch. :boom :boom :boom
Gotta love them gas guzzlin' trucks man. ;)
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 12, 2005, 04:45:28 PM
Gotta love them gas guzzlin' trucks man. ;)
yea whoever thinks a v6 mid-size truck is good on gas mileage is a fargin whoron
thank god for public transportation. ;D
Quote from: hbionic on August 12, 2005, 03:57:59 PM
It's close to three bucks in san diego
I just drove by two gas stations, one was $2.89 pg the other was $2.92 :boo
The cheapest is around 2.65 round these parts for the last week (as HB said)
And know we are not spoiled brats Dio. This is a joke, the gas should not be this high. They (and by "they" I mean both people in America and people abroad) are fargin with us, and will keep raising it and raising it. In the next few years we will be happy when we pull up to a gas station and see $2.65.
I wish we could say a big farg you to the oil industry, and get around with an alternative fuel. Then see how all those bastiches feel about the worth/price of oil.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 12, 2005, 05:16:20 PM
thank god for public transportation. ;D
Ladies love the bus.
Quote from: mussa on August 12, 2005, 04:36:12 PM
yea no shtein...i filled my tank up the other day, fargin 37$. son of a bitch. :boom :boom :boom
(http://www.mustangmods.com/data/14045/06_06.jpg)
I can't even start this for $37.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 12, 2005, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 12, 2005, 05:16:20 PM
thank god for public transportation. ;D
Ladies love the bus.
I was thinking more along the lines of the El, but sure, ladies love lots of things. (except guys with broken hands)
I was leaving the market today, and some lady in a mini-tank (giant SUV) asked about my MPG and if the car had a good rate. Which I couldn't answer since I just got the damn thing this past weekend, but anyway, her tank costs $60.00 to fill up here. She said a drive just to get back from Corpus Cristi cost $30.00 and Corpus is about 3 hours (max) from here. Just insane.
I was looking at a picture that me and my friends took of our cars lined up going to a Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords Weekend about 6 years ago. Regular unleaded was $.99 a gallon back then! Amazing.
Now I drive an Expedition. I bought it knowing it was a gas guzzler, just like the Mustangs so I know that I'm going to pay out the ass to fill it up.
I get about 350 miles to a full tank. And I keep my ride up to par with tune-ups and such. Some people ignore than stuff and wonder why they get 200 miles to a tank.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 12, 2005, 02:54:08 PM
That's cheap compared to what Europeans pay, and compared to its actual value. Americans are spoiled brats. You too, PG.
Europeans routinely use mass transportation whereas Americans do not.
Their governments also have tighter energy efficiency standards which American oil companies and car companies have lobbied tooth and nail against for 25 years.
Apples & oranges, Dio.
In any event... regular unleaded went from $2.33 to $2.57 in the last two days here in Daytona.
It's a farging disgrace.
$2.61 tonight in Naples.
The era of cheap gas is over, I'm afraid.
I agree, the development of alternative fuels needs to be better funded and faster.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 12, 2005, 09:02:01 PM
$2.61 tonight in Naples.
The era of cheap gas is over, I'm afraid.
I agree, the development of alternative fuels needs to be better funded and faster.
I always hate hearing that. The problem isn't development, it's advertising. The options are out there.
Hello!!
Live in Canada!!
Quote from: General_Failure on August 12, 2005, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 12, 2005, 09:02:01 PM
$2.61 tonight in Naples.
The era of cheap gas is over, I'm afraid.
I agree, the development of alternative fuels needs to be better funded and faster.
I always hate hearing that. The problem isn't development, it's advertising. The options are out there.
Good, then pay the damn advertising and develop it for mass consumption and get the oil barons and their cartel of crooks out of here.
:evil
I'm a little short on cash right now, try me next week.
Quote from: Yeti on August 12, 2005, 05:31:57 PM
Quote from: mussa on August 12, 2005, 04:36:12 PM
yea no shtein...i filled my tank up the other day, fargin 37$. son of a bitch. :boom :boom :boom
(http://www.mustangmods.com/data/14045/06_06.jpg)
I can't even start this for $37.
is that a yukon? those be nice :yay
$34.00 for a gas today. :boom
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 03:43:51 PM
The gas here went from $2.46 to $2.57 in 2 days
Update: I drove past the same place today and it's now $2.68 :boom :boom :boom
If you think gasoline is bad, wait until you see your natural gas bill this winter.
Gasoline is still cheaper than in the early 80s if you account for inflation. Enjoy gas prices under $3/gal. while they last; in a couple years today's prices will seem like a steal.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 12, 2005, 03:00:12 PM
Gas in Iraq is about a nickle a gallon.
Yeah it's subsidized by the Iraqi government at six cents a gallon. That's an old Saddam policy that I believe is still in place. As a result, smugglers buy up a lot of it and sell it across the borders in other Arab countries. This causes a shortage of legitimate gasoline in Iraq, giving rise to a black market of gasoline that actually costs more than the legitimate stuff. It's basically impossible to have an oil ministry that's not corrupt in a situation like that, so I doubt the ridiculous subsidies are going away anytime soon.
Also interesting that Iraq doesn't have the refinement capacity necessary to fuel all the cars in the country. There's been a boom in car sales since the war (hopefully not just insurgents loading them up with explosives), and the crappy old refineries in Iraq are major sabotage targets. Thus, as crazy as it sounds, Iraq has to import billions of dollars of refined oil.
Iraq's oil money is supposed to pay for the rebuilding of the country, so these problems are big deals that impact all aspects of life for Iraqis.
Quote from: mussa on August 13, 2005, 10:14:51 AM
is that a yukon? those be nice :yay
Close. 94 Blazer with blueprinted 350, 3/4 ton rear, RV cams, 4" lift, off road suspension and a ton of after market crap.
Quote from: Yeti on August 14, 2005, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: mussa on August 13, 2005, 10:14:51 AM
is that a yukon? those be nice :yay
Close. 94 Blazer with blueprinted 350, 3/4 ton rear, RV cams, 4" lift, off road suspension and a ton of after market crap.
u damn yuppy :-D
Last time I filled up was before going up to Lehigh last week...price? $2.27 a gallon.
Today? $2.57 a gallon.
i offically ban driving this week, but the government got us by the balls and knows everyone won't ban driving for a week.
Oil companies are enjoying their greatest profits ever these days.
check these prices out (http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/)
Amsterdam $6.48 a gallon
Venezuela $0.12 a gallon
$2.76 in DC this morning.
Massachusetts broke the $3.00 barrier last week. One place on Cape Cod was $3.399
farging socialists in this state.
link (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/08/15/hybrid.tinkerers.ap/index.html)
QuoteCORTE MADERA, California (AP) -- Politicians and automakers say a car that can both reduce greenhouse gases and free America from its reliance on foreign oil is years or even decades away.
Ron Gremban says such a car is parked in his garage.
hmmmm, automakers with a gazillion dollars dont tell us, uhh, i mean cant figure out what this guy could figure out with a little time and 3K. :sly
I was reading the same article earlier. With little exception, a car that can get 230MPG, like those Prius' in the article, with a twenty gallon fuel tank would get 4600 miles to a tank of gas. You'd change your oil one and a half times before that. Granted, you gotta plug it in to charge up, but it'll go 40-60 miles without needing a charge. I have a pretty long commute in my opinion, about 25 miles, that'd be right in my wheelhouse. The oil companies are like the Cigarette companies though, even though they know for are doing more harm than good, they continue to fight (HARD) to do so.
We I move to Yetiville I am getting a horse. It can cut your lawn and get you to the store.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 12, 2005, 02:46:59 PM
I hadn't been looking but the last time I filled my gas tank, gas was $2.16 a gallon for regular. That was about a week ago. I went past that same station today (which has the lowest price in this area) and its farging $2.46 for regular.
Farging farg farg farg! :boom :boom :boom This is farging ridiculous already. :boom :boom :boom
That number is now up to $2.59, just an fyi. :poison
Quote from: MURP on August 15, 2005, 01:39:59 PM
check these prices out (http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/)
Amsterdam $6.48 a gallon
Venezuela $0.12 a gallon
Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are under $1 cause they have all the oil... :sly
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 15, 2005, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: MURP on August 15, 2005, 01:39:59 PM
check these prices out (http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/)
Amsterdam $6.48 a gallon
Venezuela $0.12 a gallon
Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are under $1 cause they have all the oil... :sly
What are you talking about we are stealing all that oil ;D
$2.81 for regular $2.99 for premium on the south side of Chicago >:(
Some interesting tidbits:
Top 10 Oil Producers, 2004 (In millions of barrels per day):
1. Saudi Arabia 10.37
2. Russia 9.27
3. United States 8.69
4. Iran 4.09
5. Mexico 3.83
6. China 3.62
7. Norway 3.18
8. Canada 3.14
9. Venezuela 2.86
10. United Arab Emirates 2.76
Top 10 Oil Consumers, 2004 (in millions of barrels per day):
1. United States 20.5
2. China 6.5
3. Japan 5.4
4. Germany 2.6
5. Russia 2.6
6. India 2.3
7. Canada 2.3
8. Brazil 2.2
9. South Korea 2.1
10. France 2.0
Top 10 Oil Importers, 2004 (in millions of barrels per day):
1. United States 11.8
2. Japan 5.3
3. China 2.9
4. Germany 2.5
5. South Korea 2.1
6. France 2.0
7. Italy 1.7
8. Spain 1.6
9. India 1.5
10. Taiwan 1.0
Points that came to my mind:
1. The U.S. produces enough oil to supply the needs of every nation PLUS have some left to export- except the United States.
2. In 2003, we were actually 2nd in oil production. Russia snuck in this year.
3. The U.S. and China are the only two nation in the top 10 in oil production that must import crude oil (China imports about 2/5 of it's oil).
4. The U.S. uses more oil per day than #2-6 on the consumpion list- TOGETHER.
Just came across this last year while preparing a lesson on the Arab Oil Embargo, and thought it would be interesting to share.
Does that list include all the K-Y that is used on T-Hawk on his 'dates'.
Gas prices could hit $5 a gallon because of this bitch Rita (http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/21/news/economy/rita_threat/index.htm)
I'm sick of this gas price crap. The gov't could do something about this but they don't. Stick it to the people, they like fargin Americans in the ass.
Quote from: hbionic on August 15, 2005, 06:42:36 PM
Does that list include all the K-Y that is used on T-Hawk on his 'dates'.
K-Y is water based, not petrolium.
:paranoid
WOOOHOOOO (http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/11/markets/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes)
::)
Exxon has to get their record breaking profits somehow
i'm not worried...everybody's gonna stop buying gas from the 2 largest oil companies, which will force prices down. that's what it says in that e-mail i got so it must be true.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 15, 2005, 10:55:57 AM
Oil companies are enjoying their greatest profits ever these days.
Still are nearly a year later...
Why wouldn't they? They have their very own dirty little oil pimp residing in the White House after all.
I'm driving 1500 miles starting tonight. I'm figuring i'm gonna get raped for about $300 while driving to PA. What a shame it is. When i first went to Texas, gas was like 1.20 a gallon and we were bitching then. Sumbitch oil whores!
You had to know they were going to raise prices once the spring/summer time rolled around...they do every year. I paid $2.62 per gallon for regular at the pump this morning.
I paid $2.94 for mid-grade yesterday afternoon.
A new record for me.
Paid 2.69 for regular in Alexandria, VA this morning. Looks like I'm switching with the wife for the TDI Golf again. :-\
I only buy gas at BJ's now. Kind of a pain, but it's always at least $0.10 cheaper for premium.
hopefully gas prices will never reach the point of the phillies staff era.
::)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 11, 2006, 10:44:43 AM
You had to know they were going to raise prices once the spring/summer time rolled around...they do every year. I paid $2.62 per gallon for regular at the pump this morning.
$2.75 down here right now.
Should at least throw in a vial of this with every tank:
(http://games.varms.net/images/vaseline.jpg)
Petroleum jelly?
Ahahaha!
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 11, 2006, 12:03:19 PM
Petroleum jelly?
Ahahaha!
:-D
a little something to ease the pain
i get it, it's a play on words, but also useful for taking it up the butt. well done.
We all know Jerome99 appreciates a good pun, and also puns that aren't really puns.
yeah, romey likes to have phun with puns
Kill yourselves.
Metaphorically, literally, whatever.
Just do it.
BJ's is 8 cents cheaper here, except the basterds don't take cash. only credit.
fargin prices are going through the roof.
It figures when I finally get a chance to get my truck down here to TexAss from PA the prices on petro keep going up. :boom :fire
Quote from: mussa on April 11, 2006, 01:04:11 PM
BJ's is 8 cents cheaper here, except the basterds don't take cash. only credit.
This shouldn't be a problem for you. Whether it be a check card or a credit card, everyone should have at least one, even if you prefer to pay cash more often than not, which I can't fault people for. Way of the world, my man.
it was a problem for me. a gas station should except cash, plain and simple.
Well, I've never paid for gas with cash in my life, and we've already established that I'm always right, so therefore paying for gas with cash is not only ill-advised, but probably a sign of a legally retarded IQ.
I use cash as much as possible.
i use debit card, that's the same as cash, with having to carry cash around, which is nice.
I don't think I've paid for gas with cash in over 10 years.
That's my back-up. It's either cash or the debit card. I haven't used credit in years, don't plan to ever again. Not for consumer items, anyway. I suppose I'll borrow for real estate. But gas, chips, motorcycles, computers, etc...all cash. If I don't have the cash, I can't afford it. I usually carry 200 or so, and that is how I prefer to pay for most things. It's faster and more immediate. Cash gone from pocket is easier to appreciate than gone from bank account.
I'm a simple man. Some say retard.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 11, 2006, 02:27:10 PM
But gas, chips, motorcycles, computers, etc...all cash. If I don't have the cash, I can't afford it.
same here, after finally getting myself out of some credit card debt hell, this is the philosophy i've adapted.
sure it's cost me some superficial shtein over the years, but i'd rather deal with my own disappointment rather than dealing with those debt collection fargs.
I should clarify..for gas I always pay at the pump with the debit card. I looked back and it appears I'm saying I walk in to give them cash every time. That's not what I meant.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 11, 2006, 02:35:27 PM
I should clarify..for gas I always pay at the pump with the debit card. I looked back and it appears I'm saying I walk in to give them cash every time. That's not what I meant.
There is nothing wrong with that. It's people that actually generally make the time to walk in and pay actual cash that have a problem. Pay at the pump is widespread for a reason: it's a better way of paying for gas. Amazing.
i pay for things with corn and beans.
if the fargin prices get any worse, I may have to take public trans to Eagles games >:(....wonder if they'll let me on the subway pulling a bbq grill, cooler full of food, and a few cases of beer.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 11, 2006, 02:38:30 PMIt's people that actually generally make the time to walk in and pay actual cash that have a problem.
Sounds to me like they're doin' fine, and you're the one with the problem. Just sayin'.
i usually pay with my check card, but yesterday it wasn't an option. i rarely carry more than 50 cash on me. so i had to go to the bp and pay 2.69 instead. i regret getting a truck now.
and FF u can lick my sveaty balls again. i dare u to pay with cash.
Quote from: mussa on April 11, 2006, 02:53:25 PM
and FF u can lick my sveaty balls again. i dare u to pay with cash.
Um... ok, boss.
Credit cards are the devil!
I rarely carry more than 3 bucks on me...which makes it very inconvenient and akward when paying for public parking. :boom
I pay at the pump with my debit card.
$2.75 for 93 octane on the way home yesterday.
Quote from: hbionic on April 11, 2006, 07:43:30 PM
which makes it very inconvenient and akward when paying for public parking. :boom
We all know you use the barter system for that,
Chuggie.
2.55 at this place on north broad. of course, going there comes with some loser hounding you for cig money and some hobo sticking his hand in the car in hopes of washing the windshield.
So that's how you're making money in school? Good job!
Here's a tip - use newspaper when you are drying the windows. No streaks.
:-D ha. those dudes can sniff me from a mile away. white boy, late teens, probably at temple, driving car by himself, definatley has money.
Luckily my little car gets me 30-32 mpg. 60 miles each way to work, the cheapest around chicago that I've seen is $2.71 for low grade :boom
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 11, 2006, 08:14:18 PM
Luckily my little car gets me 30-32 mpg. 60 miles each way to work, the cheapest around chicago that I've seen is $2.71 for low grade :boom
You've got me beat. I go about 60 round trip. All my students think I'm nuts.
The only way I can go that far, is that it is all highway.
As bad as public transportation is, it's still floating to work on a cloud compared to commuting by car.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 11, 2006, 09:04:36 PM
The only way I can go that far, is that it is all highway.
(http://www.cchem.berkeley.edu/chem120a_nhy/rod%20farva.jpg)
"I'm all highway."
Quote from: Diomedes on April 11, 2006, 09:05:52 PM
As bad as public transportation is, it's still floating to work on a cloud compared to commuting by car.
a cloud? NYC transit is like riding a cloud :o wow they must have cleaned up the town since I was there last.
Speaking of the cops, one of my schools is in a really rough neighborhood and I usually only drive one of my district's trucks over to it. Well I went with my car and it was really nice yesterday so everyone including the cops were out. A squad car goes by me and does the fast turn around and comes flying up pulling me over. Both officers get out I give him my DL and ins card, he sees I am nowhere near home and asks me what I am doing in his neighborhood? I show him my district ID, he laughs and lets me go on my way.
I run up debt every month on my credit card.
Then I pay the balance off. Each month.
What's the problem?
I don't know. You have a problem?
Quote from: Diomedes on April 11, 2006, 10:31:23 PM
I don't know. You have a problem?
Several, but being irresponsible with credit isn't one of them.
Good for you, Joel.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 11, 2006, 11:05:42 PM
Good for you, Joel.
Thanks for thinking of me when the term "responsibility" came up. I know thats a dirty word for your kind. ;)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 11, 2006, 10:24:13 PM
I run up debt every month on my credit card.
Then I pay the balance off. Each month.
What's the problem?
Ditto. And get about three free roundtrips a year on Southwest. My card costs me $29 a year in annual fees, and I pay no interest.
I win.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 11, 2006, 11:15:14 PMThanks for thinking of me when the term "responsibility" came up.
You're welcome. Anytime a pompous ass makes a smug comment like that, I think of you.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 11, 2006, 11:01:43 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 11, 2006, 10:31:23 PM
I don't know. You have a problem?
Several, but being irresponsible with credit isn't one of them.
good for you, it's a shame we're not all as awesome.
The balance on my M/C as of yesterday was over $5k.
I pay the bill in full every month.
buy me stuff...please
i'm in the middle. i went through credit card hell...paid it off, never used credit cards for about 4 years.
now with rewards cards, i use them as debit cards. if i dont have the cash to cover, i don't buy it, but when i do, i use a credit card. been doing that about 4 years now...and i havent paid more than $200 out of pocket for plane tickets since (flown to spain, cancun, aruba in consecutive years)
95% of the time, i pay the balance in full every month. even the other 5% is paid off within 2.
Quote from: jms246 on April 12, 2006, 08:57:01 AM
buy me stuff...please
Isn't it plainly obvious that I'm already buying plenty of stuff for myself and my wife?
Of course, the cost of an upcoming vacation is in there, so it's out of the ordinary. And last month's bill was due yesterday, so the balance is significantly lower today than it was yesterday morning.
Quote
Exxon Chairman Gets $400 Million Retirement Package Amid Soaring Gas Prices
Exxon Made Record Profits in 2005
April 14, 2006— - Soaring gas prices are squeezing most Americans at the pump, but at least one man isn't complaining.
Last year, Exxon made the biggest profit of any company ever, $36 billion, and its retiring chairman appears to be reaping the benefits.
Exxon is giving Lee Raymond one of the most generous retirement packages in history, nearly $400 million, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes.
Last November, when he was still chairman of Exxon, Raymond told Congress that gas prices were high because of global supply and demand.
"We're all in this together, everywhere in the world," he testified.
Raymond, however, was confronted with caustic complaints about his compensation.
"In 2004, Mr. Raymond, your bonus was over $3.6 million," Sen. Barbara Boxer said.
That was before new corporate documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that revealed Raymond's retirement deal and his $51.1 million paycheck in 2005. That's equivalent to $141,000 a day, nearly $6,000 an hour. It's almost more than five times what the CEO of Chevron made.
"I think it will spark a lot of outrage," said Sarah Anderson, a fellow in the global economy program at the Institute for Policy Studies, an independent think tank. "Clearly much of his high-level pay is due to the high price of gas."
Exxon defends Raymond's compensation, pointing out that during the 12 years he ran the company, Exxon became the largest oil company in the world and that the stock price went up 500 percent.
A company spokesman said the compensation package reflected "a very long and distinguished career."
Some Exxon shareholders are now trying to pass resolutions criticizing the company's executive pay policies. The company is urging other shareholders to vote against those resolutions.
(http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060416/capt.ny11304160537.exxon_riches_ny113.jpg?x=229&y=345&sig=7Xr84S9BLL3o8xtEcJBSxQ--)
Holy farging shtein, that is a lot of money to make in a year. :o
I paid $2.91 this morning for regular. :boom
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 17, 2006, 01:48:18 PM
I paid $2.91 this morning for regular. :boom
And Lee Raymond probably made 50 times that in the time it took you to pump one gallon.
Geesh, i think he should drop at least 1 or 2 mil on some cosmetic surgery, some dental work, and you know if his face looks like that the rest of him probably looks like hell, better make it a cool 3 mil and he should bounce back nicely
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 17, 2006, 02:57:31 PM
Geesh, i think he should drop at least 1 or 2 mil on some cosmetic surgery, some dental work, and you know if his face looks like that the rest of him probably looks like hell, better make it a cool 3 mil and he should bounce back nicely
Seriously... his 2nd chin is like 4 times bigger than his actual chin.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 13, 2005, 04:37:12 PM
$34.00 for a gas today. :boom
Thats nothing. I have an '06 Acura MDX (SUV); $50 to fill up its 20 gallon tank. Good on gas for a 7 passenger truck. Gets 20 MPG city/HW.
Gas in S.J. is 2.58 and rising daily.........This Iran B.S. will run it over $3.50 within the next 6 months IMO
thats it. i am moving to the country. getting a horse and starting a farm.
Quote from: mussa on April 17, 2006, 04:13:44 PM
thats it. i am moving to the country.
Don't forget to eat you a lot of peaches.
(http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/wiki/images/thumb/2/29/225px-The_Presidents_of_the_United_States_of_America-The_Presidents_of_the_United_States_of_America.jpg)
Now that song is stuck in my head.... Thanks!
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Senator rips ex Exxon CEO's retirement package
By Tom Doggett
Tue Apr 18, 4:53 PM ET
Amid record oil prices and soaring gasoline costs, Exxon Mobil's $400 million retirement package to its former CEO is a "shameful display of greed" that should be reviewed by Congress and investigated by federal regulators, Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan said on Tuesday.
Dorgan said he wants Exxon Mobil officials to appear at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing to explain how the corporation "justifies" giving its former boss, Lee Raymond, such a huge retirement package.
He also said the Securities and Exchange Commission should investigate the deal that "appears to shortchange" shareholders.
"There can be no more compelling evidence that the price gouging and market manipulation which has produced record oil prices is out of control, and is working to serve the forces of individual greed and corporate gluttony at the painful expense of millions of American consumers," Dorgan said.
Dorgan's criticism of Raymond's financial package came on the same day that U.S. crude oil prices hit a record high of more than $71 a barrel at the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Higher crude oil prices are helping to push of up gasoline costs. The Energy Department reported prices jumped 10 cents over the last week to a national average of $2.78 a gallon, up 55 cents from a year ago.
President George W. Bush said on Tuesday he was "concerned" about the impact high gasoline prices were having on families and businesses.
Exxon earned the wrath of many lawmakers when it reported more than $36 billion in profits last year as energy prices paid by consumers soared.
Dorgan said he will push to win passage of his legislation that would impose a windfall profits tax on big oil companies and rebate that money to consumers, unless the companies used their earnings to explore for and produce more energy.
"I think a sensible public policy would insist that the big oil companies either invest those windfall profits in things that will increase our own domestic energy supplies, or we should return some of that money to consumers," Dorgan said.
"Using them to drop $400 million dollars in the pocket of a big oil executive is simply unacceptable," he added.
Exxon Mobil has defended Raymond's retirement package, saying it was pegged to the rise in the company's profit and market capitalization that occurred during his tenure.
Good for the Senator. Stop "ripping" and DO something about it. Alternative fuels, additional drilling (in the short term), whatever. Sooner or later the fuel prices are going to cripple the economy.
Talk is cheap... unfortunately, gas is not.
$2.97 this morning for regular.
Wait'll it's over a $100/barrel. That should be a hoot.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 19, 2006, 11:28:14 AM
Wait'll it's over a $100/barrel. That should be a hoot.
that's why President Logan wanted Palmer dead.
Exxon Mobil profit rises on soaring prices (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=businessNews&storyid=2006-04-27T124209Z_01_WAA000191_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENERGY-EXXON-EARNS.xml&rpc=23)
Someone who knows what their talking about explain to me how we continue to pay more and more for gas and Exxon continues to make a boatload of profit. And nothing is done about it.
I'm quickly becoming the "liberal" in my household. I was complaining to the wife about ExxonMobil making record profits, instead of figuring out ways to be more efficient and/or directly passing on the savings to the consumer, and she was spouting all this stuff about free market and Exxon not being the only oil company, and if consumers really cared, they'd really start finding more ways to get from A to B without driving their Expeditions and Suburbans solo to and from work every day...
Even I draw the line at this point. Gas prices are downright looney.
the free market thing has some validity to it, the oil companies have a right to make a profit. if you want the oil companies to go non profit, that means they will be controlled by the govenment, do you want that? however you can pass laws that force them to limit their profits by turning the money around and putting it back into the costs of refining, etc...
the way to combat it is to reduce your usage. there is no way for a family to get buy eliminating the use. but there are things you can do to reduce your usage and reliance on oil/gas.
if your gas heat is still on...lower the thermostat 2 degrees. although this is really a non issue at this point. but if you have a gas hot water heater, turn the temp down on your heating unit, even a degree helps.
wash clothes in cold water. take shorter showers. (better yet, conserve even more and shower with your wife).
stop using a gas powered mower if you have a lawn. use electice, or even the manual mowers, sure it's more work...but you wont need to buy gas for it.
don't drive so much. there isnt a way to eliminate driving, but you surely can find a way to reduce the amount you do drive. and of course driving a monster that barely sees 20mpg, then you pretty much knew coming into buying the car that this could happen.
My biggest problem here is that
a. They have their highest profits ever.
b. Gas prices are skyrocketing.
c. We subsidize them for drilling in the billions.
I work for a farging drug company. We get lambasted daily by the gov't and the media for how expensive our drugs are. Our profits margins don't begin to compare to the energy sector. And the gov't sure as shtein isn't subsidizing our research (average expense to bring a drug to market ~700MM).
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 27, 2006, 10:29:33 AM
I work for a farging drug company. We get lambasted daily by the gov't and the media for how expensive our drugs are. Our profits margins don't begin to compare to the energy sector. And the gov't sure as shtein isn't subsidizing our research (average expense to bring a drug to market ~700MM).
You got your subsidy with the new medicare bill.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
Are you really that farging stupid? Wait, you're a Skins fan. That bill ass fargs Pharma only slightly less than importing from Canada.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 27, 2006, 10:33:51 AM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
Are you really that farging stupid? Wait, you're a Skins fan. That bill ass fargs Pharma only slightly less than importing from Canada.
I don't think you understood my humor.
There are over 40mil seniors that are Medicare patients.
They are projected to utilize 1.8 trillion in drug benefits over the next decade.
The federal government was in a position to negotiate price controls on those drugs. Isn't it reasonable? If you were going to spend a lot of money buying something, wouldn't you try to negotiate price?
There is a law in place prohibiting any kind of attempt to negotiate price. Prices are determined by the drug companies themselves.
It goes against common sense, and benefits only the drug companies
Okay, simpleton. Let's try to get your facts straight.
Hit rate for drugs entering discovery to reaching the market: approximately 1 in 200.
Cost to push a drug through discovery into development (where they are most likely to hit fatal roadblocks): about 100-200MM. Some fall off earlier, some much later.
TORT suits are killing Pharma as well. While the Vioxx suits MAY have a little validity, suits against drugs such as Rezulin are beyond frivolous. When you test a drug in 2000-3000 people, and miss a tox that shows up 1 in 100,000 people, you shouldn't be sued into non-existence, which Warner Lambert was.
That one drug has to pay for the other 199. You want innovation, you gotta pay. Furthermore, the US gov't (and the oft denounced FDA) requires substantially more safety data than any other country in the world. Much cheaper to get drugs approved in the EU/Asia. The ONLY reason they bother to approve drugs here is profit. See what happens when drugs are made unprofitable.
You want an example, you say? OK. Africa, in the late 90s, pushes to defy US and international patent protection on AIDS drugs, claiming they can't afford to treat the epidemic there. Pharma fights it, but international pressure and bad PR wins out. Result? All but one drug company has dropped anti-viral agents as a significant drug discovery platform.
And doofus tried doing the same thing with Bayer's patent on Cipro during the Anthrax scare. While defending Pharma's right to protect it's patents in Africa. Result? Most companies have abandoned anti-bacterials as well. Good thing, too, since, you know, like 60% of TB cases in Estonia, for example, are incurable by the cocktail of drugs we have now.
You pay to play. Period. Pharma is not the enemy. Go bash lawyers and insurers.
The chairman of Exxon just got a 400million dollar retirement package. On top of the obscene salary he had been drawing year after year.
No one has ever in the history of man earned that kind of money. That's theft, plain and simple. It's not the natural, proper order of things, and it's not healthy capitalism.
The chairman's retirement package isn't that big a deal. It was all negotiated in his contract when he joined, based on the company's performance. So, the company making ridiculous profits directly led to that.
It's a symptom, not a root cause.
Agreed. It's the pus, not the wound.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 27, 2006, 10:57:47 AM
Okay, simpleton. Let's try to get your facts straight.
Hit rate for drugs...
TORT suits are killing Pharma...
You pay to play. Period....
You're the one that brought up drug companies in a gas thread.
Now you bring up liability suits as a defense of high drug costs. ::) Which I didn't bring up at all.
You want to complain about the hit rate of drugs or the cost of litigation? Bark up another tree. It wasn't part of the point I made.
You lose sight of the simplicity of the matter. When you buy anything in bulk, you get to negotiate price.
The only reason Medicare does not negotiate price is because of the strength of the Pharmaceutical lobbies. No one benefits from this except the drug companies, no matter what kool-aid you've been drinking. Trying to complicate the issue by discussing the trials and tribulations of getting a drug to market. Implying that somehow if a major consumer of your product negotiates price that you would just fold up shop and leave. The business model would change, but there would be another company to take over right after you left. Trillions of dollars to be made. Someone would take your place.
i'd like to point out that while gas and drugs may have gone up...the cost of internet porn has come down over the past year or so...
so really, it's not a total loss
If you've ever paid for internet pr0n, you're stupid.
I love it, but plenty to be had for free.
2.99-3.05 as i driving up north broad today. this is bull, im not paying for these ridiculous prices. time to cyphon.
You could just make your own ethanol...
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/id36.html
Just don't blow yourself up!
$38 to refill my car today ($3.02)
I spent $78 two weeks ago.
Time to fill up tomorrow. I'm lookin at about $90 now.
i was just watering the garden, and i farted...cost me $4 :(
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2006, 07:45:45 PM
I spent $78 two weeks ago.
Time to fill up tomorrow. I'm lookin at about $90 now.
What do you drive, a tank? :D
Close. An Expedition. :D
:-D
Sucker. You got no right to complain.
Who is complaining? I am just saying what I pay and will have to pay. If I didn't expect to shell out big money on gas I wouldn't have bought it.
At least this gets better than 10-12mpg that my Mustangs got.
A friend of mine had an excursion. Thing looked like a freaking bus.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2006, 09:38:14 PMWho is complaining?
Fair enough. So you're not a whining sucker. You're a cut above that. You're just a plain sucker.
A man's got to have pride!
;)
If I like it, I buy it. I like the Expeditions. But I am going to buy another Mustang soon to have as my 2nd car. The tree huggers will love to know that I am using gas at a rate of a small middle eastern country per day.
Chevron is doing pretty well too. They're first-quarter profit rose 49 percent to $4 billion according AP.
Yup, was just about to post that from CNN.com:
I was getting gas the other day and this hot broad pulled into the station driving a full-size Hummer. Anyway, she got out and I kinda smiled at her and she must have known just what I was thinking too because she looked at the gas pump and said "ouch, this is gonna hurt a bit."
She wasn't whining or anything. She just took it in stride and went about her business filling up her gas-guzzling monster.
Good for her.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/POLITICS/04/27/congress.oil/vt1.bush2.ap.jpg)
Captions anyone?
the prices suck and are what they are. where i have a problem is these prices putting a strain on the economy while oil companies make record profits, that doesn't add up.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 28, 2006, 10:46:54 AM
the prices suck and are what they are. where i have a problem is these prices putting a strain on the economy while oil companies make record profits, that doesn't add up.
agreed.
$37 yesterday to fill up at $2.95
Couldn't get closer to my house which was at $2.85
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 28, 2006, 10:46:54 AM
the prices suck and are what they are. where i have a problem is these prices putting a strain on the economy while oil companies make record profits, that doesn't add up.
I think that's where most people's problems lie.
Yep. Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 28, 2006, 10:48:30 AM
I think that's where most people's problems lie.
well, i thought that everyone would need me to confirm their feelings for them. i mean, if i say it, it has to be right...right?
right
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 28, 2006, 10:46:54 AM...that doesn't add up.
Sure it adds up. Oil man president+Oil man vice president+Oil men-advised energy policy+Frivolous war in oil rich region= Massive profits for oil companies.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2006, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 28, 2006, 10:46:54 AM...that doesn't add up.
Sure it adds up. Oil man president+Oil man vice president+Oil men-advised energy policy+Frivolous war in oil rich region= Massive profits for oil companies.
i suck at that type of math.
I had a limo driver the other night couldn't add 69.74 and 44.50. He came up with 130.24. >:(
you should've kicked him in the balls and ran away.
I should have. Instead, I corrected the charge slip, signed it, and got out.
If you're gonna drive a car for a living, you might wanna learn how to add up the charges properly. Just sayin.'
i think that isn't too much to ask
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 27, 2006, 10:29:33 AM
I work for a farging drug company. We get lambasted daily by the gov't and the media for how expensive our drugs are. Our profits margins don't begin to compare to the energy sector. And the gov't sure as shtein isn't subsidizing our research (average expense to bring a drug to market ~700MM).
Was at the Phils game with my Uncle the Doctor, he told me all the Pharmaceutical companies are owned by the oil industry. Talk about hypocrisy at its finest.
Hey, when are we going to see the cheap oil we are stealingfrom Iraq?
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 28, 2006, 03:05:09 PM
Hey, when are we going to see the cheap oil we are stealingfrom Iraq?
[Dio]Bush and Cheney are stealing it. They're selling it to us at $3.00 a gallon. [/Dio]
:D
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 28, 2006, 03:05:09 PM
Hey, when are we going to see the cheap oil we are stealingfrom Iraq?
Bush/Cheney promised us that the Iraqi oil would pay for reconstruction of Iraq. Ha!
Quote from: Diomedes on April 28, 2006, 03:42:56 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 28, 2006, 03:05:09 PM
Hey, when are we going to see the cheap oil we are stealingfrom Iraq?
Bush/Cheney promised us that the Iraqi oil would pay for reconstruction of Iraq. Ha!
And how many people promised us that we were only over there to steal it. :P
None. Among the dozen or so reasons we were told, that wasn't one of them.
Well, it didn't cost mt $90. I filled up for $74. $2.98 a gallon.
I have less than an qtr tank left and hope to milk that until i leave for jewbille in mid june. dont worry, i can do it. its called drive your crazy grandmother to the bank and dress maker and she pays for your gas.
:-D Jewbilee?
What kind of car do you drive than you can stretch gas like that? Even with dragging Grandma around thats a tough thing to do.
And people still go to dressmakers?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 28, 2006, 10:42:38 AM
I was getting gas the other day and this hot broad pulled into the station driving a full-size Hummer. Anyway, she got out and I kinda smiled at her and she must have known just what I was thinking too because she looked at the gas pump and said "ouch, this is gonna hurt a bit."
She wasn't whining or anything. She just took it in stride and went about her business filling up her gas-guzzling monster.
Good for her.
I love a women who gets unwillingly farged and takes it with a smile.
One thing i've noticed while driving between Reading and King of Prussia on 422 every day...more and more people sitting along the side of the road. People are milking every last drop of gas and would rather run out it seems. I don't know why, because either way, you'll have to fill up.
$39.76 last night to fill up a freaking Kia. 3.07 :boom
In some places, the government realized it's cheaper to just send a truck out and put a couple gallons worth of gas in a car that's run out than it is not to. Safer than sending in tow trucks, etc. So now people are running out of gas, counting on the the highway truck to pull up and give them some free gas.
I just don't see how people run out of gas. Honestly, quit being stubborn and fuel up. At least put another couple of gallons in so you make it to your destination. I have never run out and i'll never let my tank get that low. Lazy people i guess.
$68.51 to fill my tank with premium.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 28, 2006, 10:42:38 AM
I was getting gas the other day and this hot broad pulled into the station driving a full-size Hummer. Anyway, she got out and I kinda smiled at her and she must have known just what I was thinking too because she looked at the gas pump and said "ouch, this is gonna hurt a bit."
She wasn't whining or anything. She just took it in stride and went about her business filling up her gas-guzzling monster.
Good for her.
When I went to gas the other day ($78 to fill it up), a girl pulled up to the pump and did know what the hell to do. The chivalric guy that I am, I helped her out but she was at least 20. How does a 20 year old girl not know how to pump their own gas? When I went back to my car, my wife yelled at me for "flirting". Yes, because nothing says flirting like pumping some chick's gas.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2006, 02:21:07 AM
:-D Jewbilee?
What kind of car do you drive than you can stretch gas like that? Even with dragging Grandma around thats a tough thing to do.
And people still go to dressmakers?
97 camry baby. shes a beauty. yes, my grandmoms is crazy. its this weird place in the northeast with this syrian lady or something. good times.
Quote from: Eagles76ersFan on April 30, 2006, 02:37:04 PM
When I went to gas the other day ($78 to fill it up), a girl pulled up to the pump and did know what the hell to do. The chivalric guy that I am, I helped her out but she was at least 20. How does a 20 year old girl not know how to pump their own gas? When I went back to my car, my wife yelled at me for "flirting". Yes, because nothing says flirting like pumping some chick's gas.
Maybe she was from Jersey? We cannot pump our own gas over here. :-\
I wouldn't trust some of you with handling gas either :P
I wouldn't trust some of you with metal utensils at dinner.
Thats why I use a spork.
You sick farg.
But its blue and plastic! And it has Cookie Monster on it, damn you!
is that common in the sticks, billy bob?
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 30, 2006, 03:14:31 PMWe cannot pump our own gas over here. :-\
Motorcyclists can pump their own gas in New Jersey. Maybe not by law, but I've never had a problem with an attendant. Sometimes, they step my way, but I just wave them off and never gotten an argument for it.
Man, my Citgo card stops the pump at $75 and it still doesn't fill my truck up. I've heard on talk radio that we'll see close to 4 dollars a gallon by the end of the summer.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 30, 2006, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 30, 2006, 03:14:31 PMWe cannot pump our own gas over here. :-\
Motorcyclists can pump their own gas in New Jersey. Maybe not by law, but I've never had a problem with an attendant. Sometimes, they step my way, but I just wave them off and never gotten an argument for it.
I guess you'd feel kind of silly sitting on your bike while someone's filling it.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 30, 2006, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 30, 2006, 03:14:31 PMWe cannot pump our own gas over here. :-\
Motorcyclists can pump their own gas in New Jersey. Maybe not by law, but I've never had a problem with an attendant. Sometimes, they step my way, but I just wave them off and never gotten an argument for it.
They're just afraid of motorcycle-riding iconoclasts in New Jersey, Dio. They aren't about to mess with you.
You would feel damn silly. Whether you ride a Harley, a sport bike, or even a Gold Wing. And by "you," I mean both rider and gas station employee.
Quote from: MDS on April 30, 2006, 07:16:23 PM
is that common in the sticks, billy bob?
What using sporks?
Not really. Its common in jail though. Thats what they get to use. I'm sure you'll see one day though.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 30, 2006, 09:53:53 PM
You would feel damn silly. Whether you ride a Harley, a sport bike, or even a Gold Wing. And by "you," I mean both rider and gas station employee.
Talk about the whole uncomfortable silence thing while the guy is putting the nozzle right by your nuts.
And why does Jersey have that law anyways? Its stupid.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 01:14:03 AM
Quote from: MDS on April 30, 2006, 07:16:23 PM
is that common in the sticks, billy bob?
What using sporks?
Not really. Its common in jail though. Thats what they get to use. I'm sure you'll see one day though.
Ha. A suburban jew in jail. You are a funny hillbilly, you know that.
There's a lot of suburban jewish kids in the county lockup.
And when you say that hilbilly stuff you remind me of that asian dude on King of the Hill. :-D
Are you an asian jewish suburban dude?
Asian? Uhhh no. There are no Jewish Asian people. I think in the entire world there may be like 3 black Jews.
Quote from: MDS on May 01, 2006, 11:32:28 AM
Asian? Uhhh no. There are no Jewish Asian people. I think in the entire world there may be like 3 black Jews.
Fred Sanford was a black jew.
I'm a black jew.
just knocked out 2 em right there. wowie wowie wee wa
Sammy Davis, Jr.
Trifecta.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 01:16:07 AM
And why does Jersey have that law anyways? Its stupid.
Not sure. I know Oregon has the same law as well. All gas stations up there are full service. It's a silly law but at the same time kind of cool because it does create a few new undesirable jobs for immigrants to take.
$50 on the nose to fill up today.
Freddie, what are your gas prices over there in the RDU area? They're about $2.94/gallon over here but I went out to Lillington last week to buy a car and they were only running $2.83/gallon.
It's really pathetic when I'm using the word "only" when referring to gas prices at $2.83/gallon. :boom
And I bought a 2005 Mustang GT. But at least I've still got my 4 Runner. That's my fuel efficient vehicle. :-D :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Here comes another price spike.
When I filled up my tank Fri. evening, gas was $3.05; yet 2 hours later I drove past that exact same station--the price had magically gone up to $3.14.
im getting towards the light with about 2 weeks until i go away. i havent paid for gas since early april. someone help me out.
I paid $2.73 in Orlando this afternoon.
Still ridiculously high. That's okay, though. What's good for Exxon/Mobil is good for America, right?
:puke
at least don't have to pay European prices. FARGIN $0.12/gal in Venezuela??? might be worth a road trip.
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/index.html
Paid 2.59 at Rt 30 and Rt 41 on the way back from Ocean City, MD this afternoon. It was refreshing (sadly enough) that it had dipped that much.
About capping gas prices (http://multiplementality.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2006/05/15/930/)
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About capping gas prices, and capping in general
Hawaii put a cap on gas prices starting in September, and it just made a splash in the news (I believe) last week or the week before. It's not having quite the effect the Hawaiian government wanted. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/05/AR2006050501294.html)
With the average price for regular in Hawaii rising above $3.38 per gallon Friday, Gov. Linda Lingle signed into law a suspension of the cap that sought to keep the oil companies in check and give a fair price to customers.
"It's ridiculous. Prices jumped up 20 cents in the last couple of days," said Calvin Reddick, who paid $15 for just over four gallons of gas for his Volkswagon Beetle. "Usually when you have a cap, it's supposed to freeze prices off. Obviously, their idea of a cap is different from mine."
The next time one of your friends tells you we need a cap on gas prices, show your friend this article, or relate the hard lesson learned by the drivers of Hawaii.
In Georgia, we have a similar cap in place, not on gas prices but on emissions testing. Many cars in this state are required to have a yearly emissions test done, and at some point in the past, the government decided that they should privatize the emissions testing process. They probably saw the gridlock government-run testing caused in Florida in the 90s and learned from that.
I got my emissions tested late last month. It cost me $20, and there was very little hassle. There are three emissions testing stations within three miles of my house; I picked the one that only charged $20, as opposed to the one that charged $25 (the third one was closed for the weekend). While waiting, I read the emissions testing law posted on the wall of the tester's office. It said, among other things, that it is unlawful for an emissions test to cost more than $25.
Which is why so many emissions testing stations charge the full $25. Because there's no reason not to. Some of them charge a little less to try and drive business — like the one I went to — but when prices are capped, retailers tend to charge the full amount because they can, and because they're not free to run their businesses the way they feel is best.
In the end, according to the Consumerist, the gas cap cost Hawaiian drivers $53.3 million more than they would have paid had there been no cap.
Better fill up your cars now (http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/05/markets/oil.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes)
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Oil closes at record above $75
Tensions over Iran, worries about North Korea, send crude soaring.
July 5 2006: 3:30 PM EDT
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Oil closed at a record high above $75 a barrel Wednesday on strong U.S. demand and ongoing tensions over Iran's nuclear program.
U.S. crude closed $1.26 higher at $75.19 a barrel after hitting a record $75.40 a barrel trading high earlier Wednesday. The market was was closed Monday and Tuesday for the Independence Day holiday. London Brent crude was up $1.52 at $74.03.
The previous record close was on April 21, 2006.
A dispute between OPEC nation Iran and the West over Tehran's atomic ambitions helped drive prices to a then-record $75.35 in April as investors feared potential supply disruptions from the world's fourth-biggest crude exporter.
News that Iran had postponed a planned meeting with the European Union to discuss incentives to end the standoff supported crude's rise.
EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana had been due to meet Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani Wednesday. They are now scheduled to meet in Brussels on Thursday and July 11.
Solana, surprised by Larijani's sudden postponement, made clear the West wants a quick answer on its incentives for Iran to halt uranium enrichment.
"From the oil market's perspective, the intensity of the confrontation has not changed," said Michael Wittner of Calyon investment bank. "We're not closer to a resolution of the crisis, but it hasn't escalated. We're trapped in no man's land."
Robust demand
Lingering concern over Iran and still robust consumption in the United States and China, the world's biggest fuel burners, also helped crude climb to record highs.
Gasoline futures rose on forecasts that U.S. demand increased last week ahead of the Independence Day holiday weekend.
U.S. oil inventory data to be released Thursday is expected to show a fall in crude and gasoline supplies last week, according to a Reuters poll of analysts.
U.S. crude rallied more than $3 a barrel last week as U.S. drivers hit the roads for the summer holidays.
"After gasoline inventories began to fall last week the key focus is now where they go this week," said Gerard Burg, energy economist at the National Australia Bank.
"The market wants to see if stocks are adequate to get through the summer driving season, especially as supply could be disrupted by more hurricanes."
U.S. retail unleaded gasoline prices rose nearly 7 cents to average $2.93 a gallon last week, just below the record of $3.056, the Energy Information Administration said on Monday.
European motorists have adjusted their habits as prices soar, however, according to Thierry Desmarest, Chief Executive of French Total.
"The large European countries, for the first half of this year, the consumption of motor fuels has declined," Desmarest told reporters on the sidelines of a conference in London.
Oil also rose as geopolitical tension heightened after North Korea, labeled by President George W. Bush as part of an "axis of evil," launched a series of missiles into the Japan Sea.
The missiles included a long-range one able to reach Alaska, although it apparently failed 40 seconds into its flight, U.S. officials said.
Worries over North Korea sent prices higher?
I see.
:-D
BTW: I paid $2.87 today.
It was $2.81 on my way to work today, and I'm at a quarter tank. We'll see what what it's at in about 30 minutes on my way home.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 05, 2006, 04:44:32 PM
Worries over North Korea sent prices higher?
I farted...thats why gas prices went higher.
With all the derivatives on commodities, and bump in the road will cause oil to climb. So my farting could very well have caused todays price spike. :yay
2.79 for Diesel. I'm actually paying less and getting good mileage. YAY!
Whatever hippy.
Quote from: Father Demon on July 05, 2006, 04:40:03 PM
Quote
Oil closes at record above $75
Someone seriously needs to take journalists aside and explain to them what inflation is, and how to account for it in news stories. Adjusted for inflation, the record price of oil was during the 1980 oil shock, at around $95.
I wouldn't be surprised to see us surpass that sometime in the next couple of years though.
Quote from: Phanatic on July 05, 2006, 05:43:14 PM
2.79 for Diesel. I'm actually paying less and getting good mileage. YAY!
Ha! Just wait until the new diesel regulations kick in. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-low_sulfur_diesel)
3.04 for reg on the way to work, 3.19 on the way home :puke
Whew... still $2.81, so I filled up both cars. I expect tomorrow to be higher.
Seems like I stumbled upon this "work from home" thing at just about the right time. Before -- 22 miles each way. Now -- 3 feet each way. :yay
It's between $3.01 and $3.05 for regular up here.
Wake me up when its back to .99 again.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 05, 2006, 10:22:51 PM
It's between $3.01 and $3.05 for regular up here.
Wake me up when its back to .99 again.
OK, Rip Van Winkle.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 05, 2006, 10:22:51 PM
It's between $3.01 and $3.05 for regular up here.
Wake me up when its back to .99 again.
Sweet dreams princess.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 05, 2006, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on July 05, 2006, 05:43:14 PM
2.79 for Diesel. I'm actually paying less and getting good mileage. YAY!
Ha! Just wait until the new diesel regulations kick in. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-low_sulfur_diesel)
Quote
Because this grade of fuel is comparable to European grades, this standard may increase the availability of diesel-fueled passenger cars in the U.S., since engines will no longer have to be redesigned to cope with higher sulfur content. European diesels are both more advanced technologically and much more popular with buyers than those available in the U.S.
Seems all good to me, plus the June 1st start date has come and gone. With most good being shipped by overland trucking they can't let the prices go up that much. otherwise prices for everything go up as businesses pass the cost onto the consumer.
ExxonMobil just announced a 10.36 billion quarterly profit.
I'm sure they earned every penny, and the grunts on the platform will be seeing a nice chunk of that take.
I guess it's time for a Democrat in the White House.
Either it will prove that it wouldn't have made a God-damn difference, or gas prices will drop because the oil companies will be more strictly policed against fleecing customers.
Or gas prices will increase because of greater regulation on the oil industry. Whatever. I'm willing to take that risk.
P.S. I was excited to only pay $3.049 for premium just off exit 266 (Lebanon/Lancaster) of the PA turnpike.
Did you notice that gas prices in Bethlehem were like $2.86/gallon yet when you get down to Philly, they're like $3.35?
How is that possible? Philly doesn't have a $.50/gallon gas tax, do they?
Did you notice that real estate is much more expensive closer to Philly than it is near Bethlehem?!? WTF!
Real estate prices in and around Philly are absurd.
Phreak & I were talking about that on our extended tour of the Lehigh Valley the other day.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 27, 2006, 11:50:41 AM
Real estate prices in and around Philly are absurd.
Phreak & I were talking about that on our extended tour of the Lehigh Valley the other day.
Did you pick up any more of them Saucon Valley chicks?
I hope you've had your shots.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 27, 2006, 11:53:16 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 27, 2006, 11:50:41 AM
Real estate prices in and around Philly are absurd.
Phreak & I were talking about that on our extended tour of the Lehigh Valley the other day.
Did you pick up any more of them Saucon Valley chicks?
I hope you've had your shots.
Next to girls from Texas & SoCal, Saucon Valley broads are the hottest women in the world.
I mean, you saw all those hotties at the bar, right? Good God.
:D
what bar did yous go to
For lunch? Starter's Pub.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 27, 2006, 11:55:10 AM
I mean, you saw all those hotties at the bar, right? Good God.
You mean, the 2 decent-looking 19-year-olds? Yeah, give 'em 5 years.
Why wait? 19-year olds need fingers in their ass too.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 27, 2006, 12:04:25 PM
Why wait? 19-year olds need fingers in their ass too.
No, I meant that in 5 years, they'll be Saucon Valley trash hags.
Shell (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/earns_netherlands_shell), like Exxon, has announced outrageious numbers for Q2.
QuoteNet profit rose to $7.32 billion from $5.24 billion a year earlier. Sales rose less than 1 percent to $83.1 billion from $82.6 billion.
Chief Executive Jeroen van der Veer said in a statement the earnings were "underpinned by overall good operational performance and not simply high energy prices."
That's right, those numbers are for just three months biz: sales increased one percent, profit increased 40%. But it's not because of outrageous feul costs...it's because Shell is so well run. Yeah, right.
Farg the goddamned Democrats..they won't fix this..they'll drop that number to 38% and claim victory. Big deal. We need a wholesale change. No one earns that much money. People are being robbed, but they are also totally powerless to do anything about it, short of cutting consumption. And their too stupid and weak to do that. And the govenrment certainly ain't gonna help them do so by investing in mass transit.
So this will just go on and on.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 27, 2006, 01:27:52 PM
Farg the goddamned Democrats..they won't fix this..they'll drop that number to 38% and claim victory. Big deal. We need a wholesale change. No one earns that much money. People are being robbed, but they are also totally powerless to do anything about it, short of cutting consumption. And their too stupid and weak to do that. And the govenrment certainly ain't gonna help them do so by investing in mass transit.
So this will just go on and on.
Viva la revolucion?!? I guess we'll go commie then. That'll fix everything.
Well, perhaps not wholesale communism..but I think we can all agree that the current arrangement is not working.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 27, 2006, 01:27:52 PM
Shell (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/earns_netherlands_shell), like Exxon, has announced outrageious numbers for Q2.
QuoteNet profit rose to $7.32 billion from $5.24 billion a year earlier. Sales rose less than 1 percent to $83.1 billion from $82.6 billion.
Chief Executive Jeroen van der Veer said in a statement the earnings were "underpinned by overall good operational performance and not simply high energy prices."
That's right, those numbers are for just three months biz: sales increased one percent, profit increased 40%. But it's not because of outrageous feul costs...it's because Shell is so well run. Yeah, right.
Farg the goddamned Democrats..they won't fix this..they'll drop that number to 38% and claim victory. Big deal. We need a wholesale change. No one earns that much money. People are being robbed, but they are also totally powerless to do anything about it, short of cutting consumption. And their too stupid and weak to do that. And the govenrment certainly ain't gonna help them do so by investing in mass transit.
So this will just go on and on.
of course it will...people arent using less gas than they were before.
thats the absolutle bottom line. no amount if cyberbitching will change it.
use less gas/energy, and you will save money.
start wars
make computers
kill brown people
create disease
mo money...mo...money...mo money
Quote from: Diomedes on July 27, 2006, 01:33:30 PM
Well, perhaps not wholesale communism..but I think we can all agree that the current arrangement is not working.
Stupid, ugly, fat, lazy politicians are only a side-effect of the average American being stupid, ugly, fat, and lazy.
No system would work to govern this country. We're farged.
I test drove a GMC Envoy Denali this afternoon.
http://www.gmc.com/envoy/index.jsp
Nice ride. Gas mileage be damned. I'm driving to the apocalypse in style, baby.
A friend of the family used to say he loved SUVs. They got rid of the oil faster.
my drive to Florida should be awesome with the gas prices
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 27, 2006, 04:07:24 PM
my drive to Florida should be awesome with the gas prices
Mo... gas prices are always cheaper in Georgia. Make sure you plan it so that you'll be able to fill up at the southernmost point in the state.
Usually around Kingsland, GA is the cheapest spot on the drive down here.
Who the farg drives from PA to FL? Buy a plane ticket freaks.
are you crazy? flying would cost an arm and a leg for 5 people. plus the car rental.
No one drives to Florida. In fact, they should close I-95.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 27, 2006, 04:30:54 PM
are you crazy? flying would cost an arm and a leg for 5 people. plus the car rental.
Figure at least $750 for the tickets at minimum and another $300 for the rental car and insurance.
Drive to Florida: At most you're talking $400 even with a gas guzzler.
Any cost is worth it when the result is not spending 16 hours in a car with three kids. Truth.
not spending 15+ hours in a car with screaming kids is worth any amount of money
Oh, werd. Just ask Andrea Yates what kids can do to you..
Quote from: rjs246 on July 27, 2006, 04:36:40 PM
Any cost is worth it when the result is not spending 16 hours in a car with three kids. Truth.
i disagree, we're going to have a great time. we're going to have a sing-a-long, we'll play the license plate game, i can't wait!1!!1
The very thought almost makes me want to castrate myself. Almost. Too bad I like ejaculating so much.
In-car DVD player. Gotta love modern technology.
That's strictly for porn.
problem is, if they flew, it would take at least an hour getting to the airport and parking the minivan then you got two hours in the airport going through security and waiting. then you have an hour and 45 on the plane. then you have another hour getting off the plane, picking up luggage, getting into a rental car.
all the time and aggravation adds up to be about the equivalent of driving.
I refuse to travel with children. little shteinheads always want something, always grabbing at things, crying about this or that. Ugh.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 27, 2006, 04:45:36 PM
In-car DVD player. Gotta love modern technology.
exactly.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 27, 2006, 04:50:15 PM
I refuse to travel with children. little shteinheads always want something, always grabbing at things, crying about this or that. Ugh.
How's that different than traveling with your wife or girlfriend?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 27, 2006, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on July 27, 2006, 04:50:15 PM
I refuse to travel with children. little shteinheads always want something, always grabbing at things, crying about this or that. Ugh.
How's that different than traveling with your wife or girlfriend?
^^^ Talk about truth. ^^^
:-D
unfortunately i drive to florida at least every other year and usually once a year as my lady friends momma live there
Just drove 1000 miles last week -- 16 hours from St. Louis to upstate NY. Me, Mrs. Demon, and three little Demonites (11, 8, and almost 2). We were terrified of the trip, because a) the little one screams on the way to the grocery store (she's really not used to car seats yet), and we don't use a DVD player until the last 2 hours of the trip.
The trip was great. Kids played and laughed, the baby only had two little meltdowns of less than 5 minutes each, and we knocked out the trip in one shot. About $125 in gas, packed lunches, and maybe $30 in miscellaneous stuff here and there. Now, we just have to hope the trip goes just as smoothly on the return in a couple weeks. Doubtful, but there's hope.
Bottom line -- don't fret the trip, Mo. It beats the cost of air travel, and it's good for the family.
Quote from: Father Demon on July 27, 2006, 08:24:09 PM
Bottom line -- don't fret the trip, Mo. It beats the cost of air travel, and it's good for the family.
Kind of like those vacation movies...
where in upstate ny?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2006, 01:31:53 PM
where in upstate ny?
Gloversville, which is just outside of Johnstown, which is just outside of Schenectday, which is just outside of Albany.
Towns are small up there.
went up to upstate NY early this month, watertown/alexandria bay area. we put 1000 on my lady friends little kia. we filled the tank up 3 times, each costing around 24 bucks. that little car gets great gas mileage. :yay
Did you feel gay when you got done driving it?
woohoo (http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/07/news/international/oil_alaska/index.htm?cnn=yes)
::)
meanwhile (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4096335.html), oil company execs continue to redefine the term "obscene wealth."
QuoteThe average pay package for the top executives in this energy-centric city was $6.9 million in 2005 versus $5.4 million in 2004, including salary, bonus and long-term incentives like stock options, according to data compiled for the Chronicle by Longnecker & Associates.
The increase was fueled in large part by a 68 percent jump in the value of stock option grants and a 23 percent increase in bonuses.
No one earns that kind of money. That's theft with a pen.
check out the graph here (http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/06/100/charts/execcomp.html)
interesting how all that loot couldnt be used towards attaining the proper maintence over the years.
BP's cute
Quote from: Diomedes on August 07, 2006, 11:50:54 AMcheck out the graph here (http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/06/100/charts/execcomp.html)
Some, if not all, of those bonuses are absolutely ridiculous.
Quote from: reese125 on August 07, 2006, 11:54:58 AM
interesting how all that loot couldnt be used towards attaining the proper maintence over the years.
Great farging point. These iceholes can't even keep the pipes well maintained?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 31, 2006, 01:12:42 PM
Did you feel gay when you got done driving it?
do u feel like you have a large size meatcicle when you drive that mustang?
QuoteExperts say gas, corporate profits, could hit record highs because of the shutdown.
Precisely. One thing they learned from Katrina, you can make a lot of money off of reduced oil flow.
They farg up, fail to maintain the pipes. So the environment suffers, the pipes get closed down, and the price goes up. Corporate profits go up, executive bonuses go up.
It's a great scenario if you happen to be filthy rich already.
But, on the bright side, I now feel MUCH better about the ability of oil companies not to farg up Denali when they install hundreds of pumping stations. I mean, just look at their track record.
Quote from: mussa on August 07, 2006, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 31, 2006, 01:12:42 PM
Did you feel gay when you got done driving it?
do u feel like you have a large size meatcicle when you drive that mustang?
Only when I'm getting road head from some teenager I picked up at the mall.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 11, 2006, 11:56:00 AMOnly when I'm getting road head from some teenager I picked up at the mall.
Giving the young recruits a taste of military life, are you?
It only cost me $54 to fill up today. What a bargain.
I put eight gallons of premium in and it cost me $28.00.
:-D
Quote from: Diomedes on August 11, 2006, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 11, 2006, 11:56:00 AMOnly when I'm getting road head from some teenager I picked up at the mall.
Giving the young recruits a taste of military life, are you?
A taste indeed.
I wish there was a way to convince these icehole oil execs that they'll survive only making...say....800,000-1 mil a year, instead of farging 6 mil a year... >:(
The people of htis country have to do something...these prices are farging rediculous, the cost of living is too high as it is, let alone with this mother farging gas prices....seriously, the could reduce the prices easily if they weren't so farging greedy, mother fargers...
:boom
It's not that simple, but it would certainly help.
Quote from: Munson on August 14, 2006, 01:24:45 AM
I wish there was a way to convince these icehole oil execs that they'll survive only making...say....800,000-1 mil a year, instead of farging 6 mil a year... >:(
The people of htis country have to do something...these prices are farging rediculous, the cost of living is too high as it is, let alone with this mother farging gas prices....seriously, the could reduce the prices easily if they weren't so farging greedy, mother fargers...
:boom
And if we could convince our athletes (and their agents) the same, perhaps a middle class family of four could go to more than one game a year.
Where's Huey Long when we need him?
whats called collusion and gouging has taken place by these oil companies (and has been happeing for quite some time) to maximize their profits at a time when we cant drill and get cheap crude oil. These high prices of gasoline are auctioned off and bid on by specific oil companies that are sold to consumers. Its a friggin joke and their using the war as an alibi
The gov't is every bit at fault here. They can easily implement price controls, threaten the oil companies with sanctions, etc. Its no coincidence in my book that Exxon posted the largest profit for any corp in recorded history last year--$36 billion dollars
Bush is an oilman, his father is an oilman, and all the people who gave him money that put him in the White House are oilmen.
Wrong. All of the big dollar contributions were from oil money.
Wooing the bible thumpers put him in office.
Hopefully when we get Oil Bush out of the office, we get somebody in there who WILL stand up to the money grubbing mother farging oil company's.
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD START BOILING DOWN SOME DAMN CORN AND GET ME SOME E-85. Or whatever it's called.
Sorry...gas prices make me :boom
Ethanol.
The wife told me over the weekend that if she gets a promotion out of her current sales job (and thus no longer has a company car) that she would like a Toyota Prius. Costs about $23k, but gets 60 MPG city.
Hey, it beats the hell out of the Beetle Cabrio she used to say she wanted.
My dad has a Prius. It's very disorienting when you get to speed on the highway, and the gas engine shuts off.
Drives nice, gets ridiculous mileage.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060817/sc_nm/environment_rations_dc_4
Quote
Carbon cards: lifeline for planet or Big Brother?
OSLO (Reuters) - Filling up the car at the gas station could take a few seconds longer in future -- to deduct points from your personal "greenhouse gas" ration card.
Issuing every citizen with an electronic card to encourage them to reduce energy use is one of the most radical ideas for curbing reliance on fossil fuels, widely blamed for global warming.
But critics say a rationing system, linked to personal financial rewards and penalties for millions of people, could be a costly slide toward Big Brother-style surveillance.
"It is easy to dismiss the idea as too complex administratively, too Utopian or too much of a burden for citizens," British Environment Secretary David Miliband said last month in a speech floating the idea of individual allowances.
"But ... in the long term, there may be potential to make a system work," he said.
Britain has come further than other nations, simply by airing the idea. Most other governments focus on education -- advising people to install energy-saving lightbulbs or turn down the thermostat in winter -- or on taxes as a way to spur lifestyle changes to cut energy use.
And many experts doubt that voters would accept cards, and billion-dollar administrative costs, especially in countries such as the United States which is not part of the United Nations' Kyoto Protocol on capping greenhouse gas emissions.
"The idea is too fraught with problems. It's overkill," said Raymond Kopp, a senior fellow at the Resources for the Future environmental think-tank in Washington. He noted that many people, even in the United States, do not even use credit cards.
He estimated personal rations for carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, might only be worth a dollar or two a day -- a relatively small sum that would not encourage consumers to take part in the scheme by making efforts to cut their consumption.
"Americans wouldn't accept rationing for this -- it would cost less than a latte a day," he said.
IMPOSSIBLE
"In theory, these proposals look very nice but in practice it would be impossible to control," said Paal Prestrud, head of the Center for International Climate and Environmental Research in Oslo. "There must be 100 ways to get round it."
Many scientists say use of fossil fuels in power plants, factories and households will drive up temperatures and could spur floods, heatwaves, and rising sea levels by 2100. Most nations say it makes sense to cut fossil fuel use, especially with oil prices around $75 a barrel.
"In my view there is no alternative to quotas in the long run," said David Fleming, a British policy analyst who suggested the idea a decade ago. "The point is that it opens up the way to achieve serious energy reductions."
Citizens' energy purchases -- mainly to buy petrol, heating fuel or electricity generated by fossil fuels -- make up about 30-40 percent of greenhouse gas emissions in developed nations.
Under rationing, all buyers of energy -- including citizens, companies and the government -- would take part with quotas.
Every adult would get an account with allowances for carbon dioxide emissions linked to an electronic card, perhaps with an emblem like a green planet or a factory belching fumes.
Points would be deducted every time energy was bought. Anyone exceeding their quota would have to pay a higher price for any more energy bought during the year while those below quota could cash in surplus allowances.
Those who felt the system involved too much hassle could simply cash in the allowances and pay higher energy prices year-round as a tax. And every year the allowances would be cut, to squeeze energy use lower and lower.
60 SECONDS
A report by the British Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research estimated that queuing and transaction time at petrol stations could add an average 45-60 seconds to every person's visit, assuming a separate carbon card.
Fleming argues banks could add carbon allowances to existing credit cards, simplifying the system.
"People don't feel neutral about the idea," said Richard Starkey, an author of the Tyndall Center study which broadly concluded quotas were feasible. "They either really like it or they don't. Either it's great or it's Big Brother."
Many governments reckon that education and carbon trading schemes limited to big emitters such as power plants and factories -- as in the European Union market since 2005 -- are better ways to cut back.
"Turn down. Switch off. Recycle. Walk," are the slogans of a European Commission campaign to encourage energy efficiency.
Americans, the world's top emitters of greenhouse gases, emit an average of about 20 tonnes of carbon dioxide a year, with perhaps 7 tonnes from transport and households. On average, the world's 6.5 billion people emit about 3.6 tonnes each.
In the EU market among major industrial emitters of carbon dioxide, prices are around 16 euros ($20.45) a tonne. Assuming identical prices for individuals, seven tonnes would cost each American $143 a year or 40 cents a day.
Starkey said uncertainties included whether some people -- those living in cold northern regions or people with large families -- might demand extra allowances.
And it was unclear whether people would be happy to check their accounts online or if the government would take on the huge extra cost of mailing tens of millions of statements.
...because governments need to make money off of high energy prices too!
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 15, 2006, 09:05:30 AM
My dad has a Prius. It's very disorienting when you get to speed on the highway, and the gas engine shuts off.
Drives nice, gets ridiculous mileage.
It gets better mileage in the city, though, right?
I've heard that people who use them on long commutes aren't seeing the type of wild mileage estimates that the govt. is asserting they get.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 17, 2006, 12:49:54 PM
It gets better mileage in the city, though, right?
I've heard that people who use them on long commutes aren't seeing the type of wild mileage estimates that the govt. is asserting they get.
Most/all hybrids do better in the city than on the highway.
The MPG on the sticker is almost always as overblown as possible, whether the car is a regular gasoline car or not.
My hoopty gets 45mpg-50mpg highway.... VW Diesel and it was more affordable. I beat any car I drive to shtein driving 80 miles a day so I don't care what it looks like. Saw an instant savings of over $100 a month.
Maybe you could use some of that extra cash and throw a blanket or 2 in the backseat. Ya know, just incase it's below freezing outside and you feel like passing out.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 17, 2006, 02:43:22 PM
Maybe you could use some of that extra cash and throw a blanket or 2 in the backseat. Ya know, just incase it's below freezing outside and you feel like passing out.
Awesome...
Quote from: Phanatic on August 17, 2006, 12:55:38 PM
My hoopty gets 45mpg-50mpg highway.... VW Diesel and it was more affordable. I beat any car I drive to shtein driving 80 miles a day so I don't care what it looks like. Saw an instant savings of over $100 a month.
I also have a VW diesel...one of the best kept secrets out there for gas mileage.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/onair/misc/mileage.htm
False Miles Per Gallon on car stickers--missing last year but doubtful its changed
$2.64 in Frisco TX today.
so?
BP and Shell think so:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14788769/site/newsweek/
Dubbya's gonna be pissed. Time to invade another country.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 13, 2006, 01:19:03 PM
Dubbya's gonna be pissed. Time to invade another country.
I don't think its an accident gas and oil prices are dropping fast prior to a mid-term election.
Perhaps, but that still doesn't change the fact that Dubbya wants to invade someone.......if anything, just because it's a Wednesday.
Be careful, or you might actually be deployed somewhere.
Doubt it. Turns out I'm really good at talking other people into deploying for me.
Who is due for a beat down? Canada?
I'd say they're long overdue. I don't understand why we haven't invaded Canada yet.
1. They've got great beer and it would be super if we seized control of it only to farg it up and water it down to meet Hoyda American standards.
2. Half of the country is French which is reason enough to catch a beat down.
3. It's really close so it would be an inexpensive invasion when you think about travel costs.
4. No more CFL.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on September 13, 2006, 01:35:01 PMI don't think its an accident gas and oil prices are dropping fast prior to a mid-term election.
If I said that, you'd crack a snide, tired comment about tin foil hats.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 13, 2006, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on September 13, 2006, 01:35:01 PMI don't think its an accident gas and oil prices are dropping fast prior to a mid-term election.
If I said that, you'd crack a snide, tired comment about tin foil hats.
Only if it was mixed in one of your tired Bush tirades. ;D
Both parties are whores to big oil...I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue against that at this point.
My tirades against Bush are fresh and biting. You lose.
The two parties are the left and right hand of the same ideology. Of course they both whore to big oil.
So are we going to invade Canada or not? I could really go for some french fries and gravy right now.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 13, 2006, 02:13:11 PM
I'd say they're long overdue. I don't understand why we haven't invaded Canada yet.
Aw man...I'm just starting to like it up here, where I don't have to feel like I'm being treated like a criminal all the time.
Quote1. They've got great beer and it would be super if we seized control of it only to farg it up and water it down to meet Hoyda American standards.
Damn fine beer, and the Beer Store keeps it all cold, all the time. Tell ya what, come on up and I'll buy you some.
Quote2. Half of the country is French which is reason enough to catch a beat down.
I wouldn't call Quebec "half". Hey, if it is Quebec you want, maybe Canada will just give them to you...
Quote3. It's really close so it would be an inexpensive invasion when you think about travel costs.
Yeah, but how well does all that new desert camo work in snow? You'd have to re-outfit the entire Army! Maybe Christina Lurie could advise on the design...
Quote4. No more CFL.
Don't be hatin' on the CFL - if it weren't for the CFL, where could Ricky Williams play?
Please don't invade - if the US takes over, I lose my NFL Sunday Ticket on Cable :'(
Tell you what - rather than take over the country, why not just bomb the hell out of all the customs offices (on both sides of the border)? They are the ones making life difficult...
Cheap gas for you Philly dwellers:
http://www.nbc10.com/money/9895290/detail.html
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- There could be a gas riot in South Philly on Friday.
A gas station operator said his frustration will translate into a good deal for drivers as he exits the retail gasoline business after 23 years.
Dave Lalli said he will sell gas at his South Philadelphia Sunoco station for $1.49 a gallon from 5 p.m. Friday until he runs out, drawing crowds of motorists to receive his message of concern about pollution and prices.
Lalli said his station is near the Sunoco refinery in South Philadelphia, "and they pump pollution and toxicity into our air."
Yet instead of low prices six blocks from the Sunoco terminal," Lalli said, "There are times when there's a 50 cents-a-gallon difference between the prices here and in Northeast Pennsylvania, and South Philly is always the highest.
"When they come for the cheap gas, they'll get some information explaining what we can do as a community," said Lalli, who is leaving the retail business to open an auto repair shop.
Gerry Davis, a Sunoco spokesman, declined to comment on relationships with dealers or pricing policies. "Sunoco is committed to operating all our facilities safely, reliably, and in an environmentally sound manner," Davis said.
Lalli's gas station is on the 1800 block of West Oregon Avenue.
Quote from: Cerevant on September 13, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 13, 2006, 02:13:11 PM
I'd say they're long overdue. I don't understand why we haven't invaded Canada yet.
Aw man...I'm just starting to like it up here, where I don't have to feel like I'm being treated like a criminal all the time.
Quote1. They've got great beer and it would be super if we seized control of it only to farg it up and water it down to meet Hoyda American standards.
Damn fine beer, and the Beer Store keeps it all cold, all the time. Tell ya what, come on up and I'll buy you some.
Quote2. Half of the country is French which is reason enough to catch a beat down.
I wouldn't call Quebec "half". Hey, if it is Quebec you want, maybe Canada will just give them to you...
Quote3. It's really close so it would be an inexpensive invasion when you think about travel costs.
Yeah, but how well does all that new desert camo work in snow? You'd have to re-outfit the entire Army! Maybe Christina Lurie could advise on the design...
Quote4. No more CFL.
Don't be hatin' on the CFL - if it weren't for the CFL, where could Ricky Williams play?
Please don't invade - if the US takes over, I lose my NFL Sunday Ticket on Cable :'(
Tell you what - rather than take over the country, why not just bomb the hell out of all the customs offices (on both sides of the border)? They are the ones making life difficult...
beer might be cold and good, but we can get the same stuff in the states for half the price. i payed 37 dollars for a case of busch light, prob around 13-15 dollars in states. i payed somehwere around 45 for a 28 pack of labatts, again maybe 20 a case american. no thanks. how the hell do you guys drink and smoke up there?
Quote from: mussa on September 21, 2006, 02:06:22 PM
beer might be cold and good, but we can get the same stuff in the states for half the price.
Expensive, but not that much more...
Quotei payed 37 dollars for a case of busch light, prob around 13-15 dollars in states.
$29.95 CDN / case bottle - $2.40 CDN deposit = $24.79
(Remember, Busch is an import up here, no matter how nasty it is.)
Quotei payed somehwere around 45 for a 28 pack of labatts, again maybe 20 a case american.
$22 CDN / case = $19.80 US (cans)
$40.58 CDN/28 bottles, - $2.80 CDN deposit = $34 US
Yeah, its bad...but not quite as bad as you say. It certainly wasn't as bad a year or so ago when the exchange rate was another 10% in the US's favor (Dubya has done a wonderful job of tanking the US dollar, thankyouverymuch.)
Quoteno thanks. how the hell do you guys drink and smoke up there?
Well, I don't smoke :) You can also avoid all the taxes if you go to a place that will make "homebrew" for you...you just pitch the yeast and come back in 2 weeks to bottle it. They do the rest.
BTW, there are some local brands up here you can't get down there...I can't say I've seen Upper Canada down there, for example...
Quote from: Diomedes on September 21, 2006, 01:17:35 PM
Cheap gas for you Philly dwellers:
http://www.nbc10.com/money/9895290/detail.html
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- There could be a gas riot in South Philly on Friday.
A gas station operator said his frustration will translate into a good deal for drivers as he exits the retail gasoline business after 23 years.
Dave Lalli said he will sell gas at his South Philadelphia Sunoco station for $1.49 a gallon from 5 p.m. Friday until he runs out, drawing crowds of motorists to receive his message of concern about pollution and prices.
Lalli said his station is near the Sunoco refinery in South Philadelphia, "and they pump pollution and toxicity into our air."
Yet instead of low prices six blocks from the Sunoco terminal," Lalli said, "There are times when there's a 50 cents-a-gallon difference between the prices here and in Northeast Pennsylvania, and South Philly is always the highest.
"When they come for the cheap gas, they'll get some information explaining what we can do as a community," said Lalli, who is leaving the retail business to open an auto repair shop.
Gerry Davis, a Sunoco spokesman, declined to comment on relationships with dealers or pricing policies. "Sunoco is committed to operating all our facilities safely, reliably, and in an environmentally sound manner," Davis said.
Lalli's gas station is on the 1800 block of West Oregon Avenue.
Dave Lalli is my cousin.
Does he hate you too?
Also, I'm going to comment about the recent drop in gas prices. It's still outrageous but gas has dropped about $.60 a gallon in NC. It's sitting right around $2.32/gallon now. It's also sad that I'm excited about that.
Funny how prices are going down preceding an election. Total coincidence, I'm sure.
Calm down Mulder.
I totally agree, by the way.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 22, 2006, 07:20:31 PM
Funny how prices are going down preceding an election. Total coincidence, I'm sure.
I'd be a sucker not to see the connection. But I don't care why gas prices go down. The fact that they are down means I've keeping a few extra bucks in my pocket every time I fill up. Of course, I'm sure the prices will go back up in Nov/Dec but I'm going to enjoy the lower rates while they last. I'm also going to start stocking up. :)
Speaking of elections, I just got some propaganda from the republican candidate in my district, with Melissa Bean's head superimposed on a hippy with a VW bus in the background, saying "Why doesn't MB represent your values? Because she doesn't live in your district."
Problem is, it was sent by a Republican advertising group from DC. So apparently they don't know my values either.
The elections can't happen soon enough.
Quote
'Strong Possibility' Gas Will Rise to $4
Oil Prices Ease After Iran Hostages Are Freed, but Analysts Say High Demand to Keep Gas Prices High
By DAN ARNALL
ABC News Business Unit
April 4, 2007 — - For the past two weeks, Iran has not just been holding 15 British soldiers captive; it's been holding the world's oil markets hostage, too.
"There's been a $5 or $6 premium that's been built into the price of oil over this," said Phil Flynn, vice president and energy analyst at Alaron Trading. "Even though this crisis has ended, the oil market is still on guard that the tensions in the Middle East are going to continue."
Oil prices spiked this morning when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad appeared on television, because of uncertainty over what he was going to announce. When he started awarding medals to the troops who had captured the Britons, traders assumed the worst.
But by the end of Ahmadinejad's television appearance it was apparent that the soldiers were heading home, and the price of a barrel of oil started to retreat from recent highs, giving up more than $1 to drop to about $64.
Analysts say that the price reduction should hold during the coming days but won't translate into lower prices at the pump.
"Things are looking pretty bad for the upcoming summer driving season," said Flynn, citing a new government report showing that the U.S. stockpiles of gasoline fell by 5 million barrels in the past week, much more than analysts were expecting.
Flynn said he believes gasoline prices will head into record territory -- currently a nationwide average of $3.07 -- by the height of the summer season.
"This is the time of year when we're supposed to be building supplies, but it seems like the refiners just can't get ahead of what has been very, very strong demand," he said.
Today's report shows that the national supply of gas is at the low end of its average range for this time of year, meaning the United States will have less gas in the tank before the peak summer driving season in the coming months.
Analysts said that puts the country on the edge, making any disruption in supply -- such as a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico refining regions or an expansion of the crisis in the Middle East -- that much more dangerous.
"Everyone asks me, will we see $4 a gallon? And the answer is, there is a strong possibility that we may see $4 a gallon," said Flynn.
Insane.
Yet these companies make record profits. This is why monopolies / oligopolies are bad, and why there are laws to prevent this kind of thing. Too bad they don't get enforced...
Quote from: Cerevant on April 05, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
Yet these companies make record profits. This is why monopolies / oligopolies are bad, and why there are laws to prevent this kind of thing. Too bad they don't get enforced...
Why do you hate America?
Quote from: Cerevant on April 05, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
Yet these companies make record profits. This is why monopolies / oligopolies are bad, and why there are laws to prevent this kind of thing. Too bad they don't get enforced...
I need to divert some investment money to Exxon Mobile.
I'm flying to Jersey now.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on April 05, 2007, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on April 05, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
Yet these companies make record profits. This is why monopolies / oligopolies are bad, and why there are laws to prevent this kind of thing. Too bad they don't get enforced...
I need to divert some investment money to Exxon Mobile.
I did that exact thing about a year ago.
This is a farging crime....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070407/bs_nm/occidentalpetroleum_pay_dc_4
Quote from: Zanshin on April 07, 2007, 10:35:57 PM
This is a farging crime....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070407/bs_nm/occidentalpetroleum_pay_dc_4
$2.94 at the closest gas station to my house. Was $2.69 a week ago.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 07, 2007, 10:35:57 PM
This is a farging crime....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070407/bs_nm/occidentalpetroleum_pay_dc_4
Two things.
1) I would retire in a second if my crimes paid me off in $400M johnsons in one year.
2) Our gas went through 4 successive 10 cent increases in four days. $2.29, 2,39, 2.49, 2.59, and 2.69, before settling in at $2.65. Horrible.
I hate Republicans.
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2007, 12:09:15 AM
I hate Republicans.
Wouldn't be much different under Democrats, either.
No shtein. But these iceholes are Republican. So they get the formitable wag of the finger.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 07, 2007, 11:01:25 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on April 07, 2007, 10:35:57 PM
This is a farging crime....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070407/bs_nm/occidentalpetroleum_pay_dc_4
$2.94 at the closest gas station to my house. Was $2.69 a week ago.
$2.67 closest to me. I believe up from $2.39 a few days ago.
CAD $1.01/L today - that's US $3.29/G. And this country exports oil...
Cerevant, your prices up there are always higher right? I went up to Houlton, ME last year and i couldnt believe how many people with Ontario tags were filling up in the US
For the most part - last summer when the exchange rate was closer to US$0.90, gas prices were within 10-20 cents. What blows is that Canada lets the world market set oil prices in Canada, so we have to pay through the nose even though there is a huge oil surplus. Alberta makes so much money off of Oil that they don't need a provincial sales tax (I pay 8% PST in addition to the 6% federal sales tax). So, even though Canada never imports oil, we have to pay when there is a hurricane in the gulf of Mexico, or something gets blown up in the middle east.
So yes, when I come up here I make sure to fill up when I hit Watertown, NY - just before I cross the border at the 1000 islands.
Quote1. Exxon Mobil
The oil giant racked up $39.5 billion in earnings last year, the largest-ever profit in U.S. history. That figure topped the previous record of $36.1 billion, also set by Exxon Mobil, in 2005. Profits were up 9.3% from the previous year, while sales rose 2.2%.
I love it when the super rich get super richer. Proof that the system is working as designed.
No seriously, oil costs a lot.
The oil companies are like the fictional crime families in the Godfather who went to Cuba to get away from the U.S. Govt. to be free to make unlimited profits.
Only difference is Bush = Batista so there's no reason for them to move offshore. They have the single greatest ally they've ever had in the White House even more so than Bush I.
January 20, 2009 can't get here soon enough.