CSN reporting TO and Reid had a major blowup today and TO rolled to south jersey.
westbrook and owens must have realized they had each others brains.
Can we just farging light his ass on fire already?
he truly is amazing...i hope his plane to atlanta crashes
that said the eagles made this bed when they traded for him
i wonder if reid accused him of milking the groin...thats gotta be the genesis of the explosion no??
who knows, could be anything. 2 big ego's clashing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2005, 03:16:42 PM
he truly is amazing...i hope his plane to atlanta crashes
that said the eagles made this bed when they traded for him
i wonder if reid accused him of milking the groin...thats gotta be the genesis of the explosion no??
1. You're a farging disgrace with the plane crash comment
2. TO was working out all day today, so I HIGHLY doubt Reid said something about milking his injury.
QuoteOwens Close To Returning
Wide receiver Terrell Owens made an appearance towards the end of practice, working on a separate field with assistant athletic trainer Chris Peduzzi. Owens ran some patterns with Peduzzi throwing him passes. Owens also caught passes from the JUGS machine.
The Eagles will evaluate his progress over the next couple of days before making any conclusive decisions.
WTF :boom
I haven't read the story yet but I wonder if maybe they're exaggerating a bit. ???
LMFAO...Channel 6 has breaking news like someone was killed or something...and its say that TO left camp. LOL
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:20:30 PM
LMFAO...Channel 6 has breaking news like someone was killed or something...and its say that TO left camp. LOL
yeah, real funny.
Is there helicopter coverage of his motorcade heading down I 95?
Its funny because its so pathetic. That he left, that its breaking news, all of it.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 03:21:18 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:20:30 PM
LMFAO...Channel 6 has breaking news like someone was killed or something...and its say that TO left camp. LOL
yeah, real funny.
Her use of LOL offended me.
Well he's a puzzy if he can't take Reid gettin on him about something. The only crappy thing is, we most certainly can't play out the season with Lewis and Brown as our starters. If TO is gonna hold out after this, they'll need to get someone in here ASAP. Now who?
TO was working out all day today, so I HIGHLY doubt Reid said something about milking his injury.
he was working out off to the side by himself...whos to say he wasnt doing this in a sulking manner...reid asked him to join the the whole squad for the afternoon and it blew up from there..of course i could be wrong...but how could you deny that it did happen...seems more than plausible to me
btw i love how you forever rip the press when its something you dont like...yet quote it when it suits your needs
eskin is saying on the radio that the eagles are better off without TO...lol
(http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00175/Jessica_Alba__tatt__175740m.jpg)
:-D
What a baby.
IGY, he was working out with the JUGS machine....when you rehab, you don't work out with the team in normal drills. He was working out with the trainer rehabbing, not working out on regular drills.
Ughh man, someone please change my board name to WEST is GOD. I can't take this guy anymore. He is insane. Literally... insane.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2005, 03:24:07 PM
btw i love how you forever rip the press when its something you dont like...yet quote it when it suits your needs
"While I disagree with Rush Limbaugh that McNabb is overly pimped by the Jew run media because of his ethnicity, I respect that this is his opinion and hope to hear him expand on this idea."
You want something more like that, maybe?
Wtf are you talking about with the media comment?
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:27:06 PM
Ughh man, someone please change my board name to WEST is GOD. I can't take this guy anymore. He is insane. Literally... insane.
How about
TO is DOG instead?
>:D
IGY, he was working out with the JUGS machine....when you rehab, you don't work out with the team in normal drills. He was working out with the trainer rehabbing, not working out on regular drills.
thats not at all what was reported on WIP...the 'camp guy' said he watched TO work out with an assistant trainer running routes and taking balls...they even commented on how the throws were awful to him
thats not to say he wasnt on the machine...but it wasnt as if he spent his whole day rehabbing the specific injury...because he was doing passing drills at least part of the time
I kinda feel bad for him though, because he isn't right in the head. Something is seriously wrong there.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2005, 03:29:59 PM
IGY, he was working out with the JUGS machine....when you rehab, you don't work out with the team in normal drills. He was working out with the trainer rehabbing, not working out on regular drills.
thats not at all what was reported on WIP...the 'camp guy' said he watched TO work out with an assistant trainer running routes and taking balls...they even commented on how the throws were awful to him
thats not to say he wasnt on the machine...but it wasnt as if he spent his whole day rehabbing the specific injury...because he was doing passing drills at least part of the time
That quote was from the official site...and ESPN news reported the same thing.
i agree the guy is certifiable
the problem is his 30 year old body holds an 8 year olds mind
cut him. bench him. just keep him off the field. he's a discgrace to the Eagles.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2005, 03:32:28 PM
i agree the guy is certifiable
the problem is his 30 year old body holds an 8 year olds mind
Yet somehow, you find a way to make it work.
shut up idiots.
Reid probably did call TO on the carpet for milking that groin injury. He knows from Mike McKenzie's malingering last season that it's a tactic Rosenhaus endorses.
Supposedly he was told to leave a meeting and left camp completely instead? ???
Well, now what? Lewis and Brown? :-\
I think it is just about ANYTHING other than that. Only because he was working on it today...not sitting inside somewhere doing nothing about it.
Quote from: unleaded-92 on August 10, 2005, 03:35:14 PM
Well, now what? Lewis and Brown? :-\
whats wrong with the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice and Mike Quick?
According to the depth charts, Justin Jenkins is next up in line. :-X
What a disaster.
Well what happened to the "heated fight" on the sideline with Reid?
The guy was on top of the world in Philly after the Super Bowl, and he pissed it all away because he's a selfish douchebag. Everything has to be about him. It's not the money situation that pisses me off; it's the attitude. At this point I can honestly say I don't give a shtein about TO. I don't give a farg if he plays for the Eagles or not.
Would the Eagles be a worse team without TO? Of course, especially in a season without Pinkston. But at this point I don't care if the Eagles are a worse team if it means they don't have to babysit a dumbass like TO. This assclown should either learn to act like an adult or be shown the door. He's making this team less fun to root for.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:38:29 PM
Well what happened to the "heated fight" on the sideline with Reid?
What heated fight on the sideline? They were in a team meeting and got into a heated discussion and Reid told him to leave...so he did. Camp.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: unleaded-92 on August 10, 2005, 03:35:14 PM
Well, now what? Lewis and Brown? :-\
whats wrong with the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice and Mike Quick?
Sounds good to me! If this is in fact true the Eagles should sit on him for a long time. I am at the point where I just want him gone. I realize our chances of winning a SB decline greatly without him but screw it.
So has anyone heard any actual news yet? Something besides "he kicked Andy in the nuts and went off crying."
We HAVE no chance at winning a SB without TO. Period.
Anyone who thinks they do is delusional.
According to the depth charts, Justin Jenkins is next up in line. :-X
lol...and thats only IF no more wr's get hurt
they are in big trouble
the problem here is because of andys god complex the birds have/had no plan B
I guess I read it wrong. The meeting was supposedly him trying to extort the Eagles.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 03:40:39 PM
So has anyone heard any actual news yet? Something besides "he kicked Andy in the nuts and went off crying."
Nope. Just saw on TV the same thing that was already reported. He left camp.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:40:54 PM
I guess I read it wrong. The meeting was supposedly him trying to extort the Eagles.
THe meeting was a team meeting...with everyone.
Jesus farging Christ.
I'm going to go jump off a bridge.
OK, but Howard said at the meeting he tried to get more money from them with Pinkston out.
So, was it a misunderstanding? Did he think Reid meant leave camp? Or was this his choice?
I still think they can win a SB as long as the defense plays better than they did last year.
Call me delusional or whatever, i could care less.
Would the Eagles be a worse team without TO? Of course, especially in a season without Pinkston. But at this point I don't care if the Eagles are a worse team if it means they don't have to babysit a dumbass like TO. This assclown should either learn to act like an adult or be shown the door. He's making this team less fun to root for
couldnt agree more...the team is bigger than any one player...get him the hell out and keep him out
I'm sure glad Eskin was in this meeting to find everything out for us.
Link (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/12350280.htm)
QuoteReport: Owens leaves Eagles camp
There are reports this afternoon that wide receiver Terrell Owens exchanged words with Head Coach Andy Reid at a team meeting and was asked to leave.
Owens then got his belongings and cleared out of Eagles training camp at Lehigh University, according to one television report.
The Inquirer will update and confirm this information as soon as possible.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 03:40:39 PM
So has anyone heard any actual news yet? Something besides "he kicked Andy in the nuts and went off crying."
No, people are just going to make up shtein & report it on this thread like they have been.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:43:16 PM
OK, but Howard said at the meeting he tried to get more money from them with Pinkston out.
So, was it a misunderstanding? Did he think Reid meant leave camp? Or was this his choice?
They were in a team meeting. Not in a meeting where they'd be talking contract.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: unleaded-92 on August 10, 2005, 03:35:14 PM
Well, now what? Lewis and Brown? :-\
whats wrong with the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice and Mike Quick?
Optimism is a great thing! ;)
I personally think that as long as McNabb and Westbrook are healthy, this team can still win every game. Our defense is going to be sick this year, just sick.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:40:47 PM
We HAVE no chance at winning a SB without TO. Period.
Anyone who thinks they do is delusional.
I'm sick to my stomach with visions of McMullen dropping passes on MNF week one. Ugggggggggggggh... :puke
Call Drunken Robinson.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 10, 2005, 03:48:12 PM
Call Drunken Robinson.
NO. There are better options (with less baggage) than Robinson.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:40:47 PM
We HAVE no chance at winning a SB without TO. Period.
Anyone who thinks they do is delusional.
Are you sponsoring Troy Vincent?
ESPN reporting the same stuff (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2130735)
the real question. How much longer will Reid put up with TO nonsense? tick tick tick...
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 10, 2005, 03:48:12 PM
Call Drunken Robinson.
You know at this point I wouldn't care, but I think Reid's days of picking up players with questionable character are over.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:43:16 PM
OK, but Howard said at the meeting he tried to get more money from them with Pinkston out.
So, was it a misunderstanding? Did he think Reid meant leave camp? Or was this his choice?
They were in a team meeting. Not in a meeting where they'd be talking contract.
Obviously, but TO could bring it up anyway. If not, why else would he ask him to leave? It makes sense.
The only question is did Reid mean go home, or did read me just leave the meeting? Also did TO misunderstand Reid if Reid only meant leave the meeting and not camp?
Quote from: hbionic on August 10, 2005, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:40:47 PM
We HAVE no chance at winning a SB without TO. Period.
Anyone who thinks they do is delusional.
Are you sponsoring Troy Vincent?
Call me crazy, but I think with Pinkston, we'd at least have a veteran WR in there. With a healthy Westbrook and McNabb, we might have been better...but TO is TO. He's one of the best WRs in football. You can't just lose a guy like that and be at the same level.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:43:16 PM
OK, but Howard said at the meeting he tried to get more money from them with Pinkston out.
So, was it a misunderstanding? Did he think Reid meant leave camp? Or was this his choice?
They were in a team meeting. Not in a meeting where they'd be talking contract.
Obviously, but TO could bring it up anyway. If not, why else would he ask him to leave? It makes sense.
The only question is did Reid mean go home, or did read me just leave the meeting? Also did TO misunderstand Reid if Reid only meant leave the meeting and not camp?
I will bet you any amount of money TO didn't bring up his contract in front of the entire team.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 03:49:46 PM
the real question. How much longer will Reid put up with TO nonsense? tick tick tick...
IMO his days with the Eagles are over and they will sit on him and make an example of him. They now are going to have to do something to address the WR situation imo.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 10, 2005, 03:48:12 PM
Call Drunken Robinson.
NO. There are better options (with less baggage) than Robinson.
i'm not saying give him a 7 year deal, i'm just saying bring him in.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:40:47 PM
We HAVE no chance at winning a SB without TO. Period.
Anyone who thinks they do is delusional.
How were the Eagles able to make it to three consecutive NFC Championship Games without Owens? Though WR play was disgraceful in the Carolina game, the Eagles could have won had Westbrook been healthy. The Eagles should have beaten Tampa Bay. This was with Pinkston and Thrash. Lewis and anybody are upgrades over Pinkston and Thrash.
The defense is better than it has been in any of those years. Anyone who believes the Eagles can't make the SuperBowl without Owens is the biggest fargtard ever.
The sky isn't falling. We didn't need TO to get to the super bowl, and we don't need him to win the Super Bowl this year. We'll go out and get another WR, and we'll be fine. I think it's time to extend Westbrook, just to piss TO off more.
Its time to move Westbrook to WR. ;)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:43:16 PM
OK, but Howard said at the meeting he tried to get more money from them with Pinkston out.
So, was it a misunderstanding? Did he think Reid meant leave camp? Or was this his choice?
They were in a team meeting. Not in a meeting where they'd be talking contract.
Obviously, but TO could bring it up anyway. If not, why else would he ask him to leave? It makes sense.
The only question is did Reid mean go home, or did read me just leave the meeting? Also did TO misunderstand Reid if Reid only meant leave the meeting and not camp?
I will bet you any amount of money TO didn't bring up his contract in front of the entire team.
I'm not saying I think he did that for sure either. I'm just saying Howard said that and it makes sense. Can you think of a reason why he would tell TO to leave? We may never find out why, but I can't think of a reason. TO isn't a goof-off, he wouldn't be making fart noises or anything. Unless he purposely ignored Andy just to be a jerk because he's depressed about his contract.
TO probably fell asleep during the team meeting. Where have I heard that one before? :o
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 03:54:02 PMwe don't need him to win the Super Bowl this year. We'll go out and get another WR, and we'll be fine.
Keep telling yourself that...
I drink like a fish and i think i turned out ok.
GET LAD!
Four pages and not one cry of GET KEVIN JOHNSON!
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 03:56:27 PM
Four pages and not one cry of GET KEVIN JOHNSON!
I will now, get Kevin Johnson!
WHO are you suggesting will replace TO and Pinkston? There's nobody out there. No one! There's adequate players such as Tai Streets, but he's not taking us to the promised land. No one will trade for this bipolar headcase.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:40:47 PM
We HAVE no chance at winning a SB without TO. Period.
Anyone who thinks they do is delusional.
is it April 1?
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 10, 2005, 03:53:16 PM
How were the Eagles able to make it to three consecutive NFC Championship Games without Owens? Though WR play was disgraceful in the Carolina game, the Eagles could have won had Westbrook been healthy. The Eagles should have beaten Tampa Bay. This was with Pinkston and Thrash. Lewis and anybody are upgrades over Pinkston and Thrash.
The defense is better than it has been in any of those years. Anyone who believes the Eagles can't make the SuperBowl without Owens is the biggest fargtard ever.
We have Westbrook and Buck at RB...one injury away from being one of those and Reno Maha/Ryan Moats. We have a 3rd and 4th string WR (the 4th string hasn't even proven he can catch a cold). Yes, our defense is tremendous, but on offense, where exactly are you planning on getting points?
Trade Simon and TO for Randy Moss!! Get Moss!! :evil
I posted about Warrick on the Rest of the NFL thread...he's about to be cut unless he takes a pay cut.
Bring back Fryar!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 03:43:16 PM
OK, but Howard said at the meeting he tried to get more money from them with Pinkston out.
So, was it a misunderstanding? Did he think Reid meant leave camp? Or was this his choice?
They were in a team meeting. Not in a meeting where they'd be talking contract.
Obviously, but TO could bring it up anyway. If not, why else would he ask him to leave? It makes sense.
The only question is did Reid mean go home, or did read me just leave the meeting? Also did TO misunderstand Reid if Reid only meant leave the meeting and not camp?
I will bet you any amount of money TO didn't bring up his contract in front of the entire team.
i'll take that bet. i think thats exactly what happened
Did we need TO the last 4 years to make it to where we are?
its unfortunate that TO has possibly killed any trade value whatsoever, because the Eagles could have gotten a nice boatload of picks to get rid of TO and Simon.
Wingspan, I completely disagree.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 10, 2005, 03:53:16 PM
How were the Eagles able to make it to three consecutive NFC Championship Games without Owens? Though WR play was disgraceful in the Carolina game, the Eagles could have won had Westbrook been healthy. The Eagles should have beaten Tampa Bay. This was with Pinkston and Thrash. Lewis and anybody are upgrades over Pinkston and Thrash.
The defense is better than it has been in any of those years. Anyone who believes the Eagles can't make the SuperBowl without Owens is the biggest fargtard ever.
We have Westbrook and Buck at RB...one injury away from being one of those and Reno Maha/Ryan Moats. We have a 3rd and 4th string WR (the 4th string hasn't even proven he can catch a cold). Yes, our defense is tremendous, but on offense, where exactly are you planning on getting points?
They were able to get points with Pinkston and Thrash as receivers. Last I checked Westbrook is healthy. As far as I'm concerned, he'll be healthy all season sans a game or two. Why do you have to always be such a Negadelphian?
TO helped make Pinky and Mitchell better. He gave them confidence.
What about Simon for Moulds? :D
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 10, 2005, 04:00:59 PM
TO helped make Pinky and Mitchell better. He gave them confidence.
I don't think lack of confidence was Freddie's problem.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 10, 2005, 04:00:59 PM
TO helped make Pinky and Mitchell better. He gave them confidence.
yeah, one guy was cut and the other managed 36 catches and 1 TD. ha!
the Raven's had garbage at WR when they won the SB:
Brandon Stokley (not in the Colts offense)
Qadry Ismail
Patrick Johnson (who?)
Jermaine Lewis (who?)
GET LAD!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 10, 2005, 04:00:59 PM
TO helped make Pinky and Mitchell better. He gave them confidence.
Mitchell needed no boost to his confidence, and Pinkston plays like a scared little girl - not exactly the thought of somebody exuding confidence.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 10, 2005, 04:00:59 PM
TO helped make Pinky and Mitchell better. He gave them confidence.
Just like the scarecrow & the lion.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 10, 2005, 04:00:59 PM
TO helped make Pinky and Mitchell better. He gave them confidence.
yeah, one guy was cut and the other managed 36 catches and 1 TD. ha!
I'm talkin about the playoffs know it all. They stepped it up a notch during that time.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:00:27 PM
its unfortunate that TO has possibly killed any trade value whatsoever, because the Eagles could have gotten a nice boatload of picks to get rid of TO and Simon.
I don't TO would have had any trade value anyway. Think about how many teams were actually interested in him when he was up for free agency, it wasn't that many.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 10, 2005, 04:00:55 PM
Why do you have to always be such a Negadelphian?
:-D
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:00:27 PM
its unfortunate that TO has possibly killed any trade value whatsoever, because the Eagles could have gotten a nice boatload of picks to get rid of TO and Simon.
I don't TO would have had any trade value anyway. Think about how many teams were actually interested in him when he was up for free agency, it wasn't that many.
You're right...no one could afford him at that point...and those that could, didn't want baggage. And he had also made it so known he wanted only Philly, that no teams stepped up.
TO will be back for the season to play most definitely. If he somehow isn't then the Eagles will make a trade for someone real good. Like Javon Walker or something. They'll give up 2 future firsts for him because they know they MUST win this year.
The Eagles most certainly can win the Super Bowl without Owens.
Does he make the team better? Well, if he has his head on straight, he does, but not like this.
He's done with the Eagles so we might as well all get in through our heads and accept that.
I tried to read most of this thread but Double J's signature makes me sick.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 10, 2005, 04:06:59 PM
I tried to read most of this thread but Double J's signature makes me sick.
[sarcasm]What, you got a problem with black people? [/sarcasm]
ESPN NFL Live said that TO hadn't been getting enough attention so had to do something.
NOt enough attention? LOL...ESPN had him as the headline every day.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 10, 2005, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on August 10, 2005, 04:00:59 PM
TO helped make Pinky and Mitchell better. He gave them confidence.
yeah, one guy was cut and the other managed 36 catches and 1 TD. ha!
I'm talkin about the playoffs know it all. They stepped it up a notch during that time.
#1, you never said you were talking about the playoffs.
yeah, Freddie had a decent 5 catch game against the Vikings and then had 2 catches agains the falcons.
Pinkston had 4 catches for 59 yards TOTAL in the 2 playoff games. Not what I call stepping it up.
TO basically had as many catches and yards in the Superbowl alone as those two did in the two playoff games.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:09:14 PM
NOt enough attention? LOL...ESPN had him as the headline every day.
Yeah, and that still wasn't enough attention for big baby TO.
Schlereth and Salisbury are jerking off over the fact that the Eagles have problems.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:05:55 PM
TO will be back for the season to play most definitely. If he somehow isn't then the Eagles will make a trade for someone real good. Like Javon Walker or something. They'll give up 2 future firsts for him because they know they MUST win this year.
Why must they win this year? Don't get me wrong I not only hope but also believe they will, but they have a fairly young team that's posed to make a run for years to come.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:10:25 PM
Schlereth and Salisbury are jerking off
what else is new.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:00:39 PM
Wingspan, I completely disagree.
i realize that. but can you think of anything else that would have made reid kick TO out of a meeting?
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 10, 2005, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:05:55 PM
TO will be back for the season to play most definitely. If he somehow isn't then the Eagles will make a trade for someone real good. Like Javon Walker or something. They'll give up 2 future firsts for him because they know they MUST win this year.
Why must they win this year? Don't get me wrong I not only hope but also believe they will, but they have a fairly young team that's posed to make a run for years to come.
Because I'm sick of waiting, that's why. >:D
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:00:27 PM
its unfortunate that TO has possibly killed any trade value whatsoever, because the Eagles could have gotten a nice boatload of picks to get rid of TO and Simon.
I don't TO would have had any trade value anyway. Think about how many teams were actually interested in him when he was up for free agency, it wasn't that many.
well he never really was up for FA was he?
How long before a MenHoge-a-Trois? ^-^
Sal Pal ::) is on the phone with them now.
He has no idea what was said, if he left on his own or was told to leave, what was the team meeting about? They don't usually have team meetings in the middle of the day, so what was the meeting about?
In other words...nothing new.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:10:25 PM
Schlereth and Salisbury are jerking off over the fact that the Eagles have problems.
Weve had problems since TO decided to hire t hat farging "shark". I have not been concerned about the situation once all off-season.
Now though, Im concerned.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:05:55 PM
They'll give up 2 future firsts for him because they know they MUST win this year.
I absolutely, 100% believe that will never happen. They would never mortgage the future for a replacement WR.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:05:55 PM
TO will be back for the season to play most definitely. If he somehow isn't then the Eagles will make a trade for someone real good. Like Javon Walker or something. They'll give up 2 future firsts for him because they know they MUST win this year.
that is just silly talk.
TO is NOT going back to Atlanta.
He is on his way home to Moorestown.
the rumor from a Philaphans poster is:
QuoteT.O is at his home in NJ
Channel 3 had video of him shooting hoops at his house. Channel 10 reported the fight was about Reid asking him ti be at the autograph tent.
Rosenpuke statement said this is between Coach Reid and TO....I will let them handle it.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:05:55 PM
TO will be back for the season to play most definitely. If he somehow isn't then the Eagles will make a trade for someone real good. Like Javon Walker or something. They'll give up 2 future firsts for him because they know they MUST win this year.
that is just silly talk.
Thats all it is. If any of you think TO will be play another game for this team again, you better get your head straight. Additionally, he will not get us anything of value in a trade.
Thia sucks and thats all there is to it.
Someone change the topic of the thread....TO leaves camp and goes to NJ
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 10, 2005, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:10:25 PM
Schlereth and Salisbury are jerking off over the fact that the Eagles have problems.
Weve had problems since TO decided to hire t hat farging "shark". I have not been concerned about the situation once all off-season.
Now though, Im concerned.
Same here, I haven't worried about any of this drama one bit......until now.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:16:16 PM
Someone change the topic of the thread....TO leaves camp and goes to NJ
Maybe goes shopping. I always hated the term "Hotlanta".
He's still going to play this year. For the Eagles. Unless we suspend him and then he doesn't get paid. Which is what they should do. Suspend him for being a douche.
Wingo is SOOOO far off right now.
Saying REid doesn't embarrass players or get in their faces.
Way to be misinformed, clown.
I'm going to head to NJ and help TO pack his bags so he can get to Atlanta then.
I'll wait until tomorrow to be concerned. I was scared when it said he was going to Atlanta but if he's just going to NJ it may turn out to be no big thing.
TO always gets the board hopping... 68 people on now. ha.
EMB and CSN.com are slammed right now. Still no response from Mr. NC, either.. :-\
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:15:13 PM
the rumor from a Philaphans poster is:
QuoteT.O is at his home in NJ
Channel 3 had video of him shooting hoops at his house. Channel 10 reported the fight was about Reid asking him ti be at the autograph tent.
Fighting over
autographs? Wow, that's just retarded.
He cleaned out his locker, so he's done. Reid's not going to let him comeback.
ESPN keeps stressing the fact that there was a team meeting in the middle of 2 a days and how rare that is.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 10, 2005, 04:17:34 PM
He's still going to play this year. For the Eagles. Unless we suspend him and then he doesn't get paid. Which is what they should do. Suspend him for being a douche.
I dont think so..I think AR and the boys work out some sort of a way to get him out of town - to an AFC team which can not hurt us.
Remember what happened when Trot got in AR's face about the franchise tag? That tag was taken off almost immediately and Trot was gone...I understand the situations are different, but the principle remains the same.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:19:52 PM
He cleaned out his locker, so he's done. Reid's not going to let him comeback.
I agree, players don't clean out their lockers at the end of each day.
Is that what you're looking for?
Thats all it is. If any of you think TO will be play another game for this team again, you better get your head straight. Additionally, he will not get us anything of value in a trade.
Thia sucks and thats all there is to it.
pretty much
as far as getting a new wr...its not like they can just wake up one day grab a peter warrick...plug him in this offense...and all will be well...even a decent veteran is not going to contribute much...reid has much more confidence in someone like mcmullen who knows the offense but sucks vs a veteran who may be a nice player but would be clueless as far as the playbook is concerned
essentially this is what they are now and what they will be for the duration
Quote from: unleaded-92 on August 10, 2005, 04:21:10 PM
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:19:52 PM
He cleaned out his locker, so he's done. Reid's not going to let him comeback.
I agree, players don't clean out their lockers at the end of each day.
There's 2.5 days left in camp...
Everyone calling into 610 is siding with TO??? What kind of Kool-AId are these picklesmokers drinking?
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 10, 2005, 04:20:19 PM
I dont think so..I think AR and the boys work out some sort of a way to get him out of town - to an AFC team which can not hurt us.
You may be right but who would want him after seeing what we had to go through with him?
Oakland :-D
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:22:09 PM
Everyone calling into 610 is siding with TO??? What kind of Kool-AId are these picklesmokers drinking?
They must be drinking picklejuice and smoking Kool-Aid. Jerks.
TO is a pansie. When he watches the team on MNF the first week, he'll cringe and when he sits out week two against SF, he'll cry like a baby and be begging Reid to let him back.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:22:09 PM
Everyone calling into 610 is siding with TO??? What kind of Kool-AId are these picklesmokers drinking?
Why in the world would you even listen to it right now? You're not going to get anything but "I hate TO" "I hate YOU" nonsense.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 10, 2005, 04:22:28 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 10, 2005, 04:20:19 PM
I dont think so..I think AR and the boys work out some sort of a way to get him out of town - to an AFC team which can not hurt us.
You may be right but who would want him after seeing what we had to go through with him?
For a 5th round pick? Probably a whole score of teams, and I think TO will keep his current deal just got get out of Philly. Whatever, its too early to speculate but farg, this sucks.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:22:09 PM
Everyone calling into 610 is siding with TO??? What kind of Kool-AId are these picklesmokers drinking?
Dunno, but I hope they break their ankles jumping off the bandwagon they were on.
Saying REid doesn't embarrass players or get in their faces
george hegamin says holla!!
Calling Fred Barnett...calling Fred Barnett...come in Superman!!
By the way...Team G Lew is proud to now hold the role of #1 on the depth chart. Yes, that's right ladies and gentlemen...we are on top of the charts. Praise the Lord!!
I'm sure this has been posted but:
Quote610WIP Sports Radio in Philadelphia reports Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens will not be traded despite him walking away from the team during camp Wednesday, Aug. 10. Owens also will not be fined by the team for leaving early Wednesday, but the team will start fining him $6,000 per day starting Thursday, Aug. 11, should his absence continue. Owens would lose approximately $200,000 per game, should he not be on good terms with the team during the regular season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2005, 04:24:24 PM
Saying REid doesn't embarrass players or get in their faces
george hegamin says holla!!
That's what I meant. Reid has no problem getting into players faces. I've seen him do it at camp a ton of times.
Eagles team without a disruptive TO will win more games then an Eagles team with a disruptive TO constantly causing trouble.
That's what I meant. Reid has no problem getting into players faces. I've seen him do it at camp a ton of times.
often with dorito shards in his moustache
I just knew PE.com wouldn't even mention this. All they have on the site is "TO close to returning."
IGY..change your thread topic to what PG asked like two pages ago...or someone...puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:26:59 PM
Eagles team without a disruptive TO will win more games then an Eagles team with a disruptive TO constantly causing trouble.
You just quoted Howard ESkin. Verbatim.
::)
I just knew PE.com wouldn't even mention this. All they have on the site is "TO close to returning."
are you serious..pathetic
You just quoted Howard ESkin. Verbatim
i thought we werent listening to WIP
I thought you weren't listening???
He speaks the truth. Get off TO's dick for one minute to realize this guy is no good for the team.
Gary Cobb on WIP says that Reid gave TO the day off for rehab etc. TO went out on the field himself to catch passes... REID said well if your ready to go whats going on???
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2005, 04:30:31 PM
I just knew PE.com wouldn't even mention this. All they have on the site is "TO close to returning."
are you serious..pathetic
You just quoted Howard ESkin. Verbatim
i thought we werent listening to WIP
PE.com hasn't updated the site yet. Probably because Spadaro is at camp working on this shtein.
Because I just read on this thread where Eskin said that.
Cobb is saying that TO had the day off and TO decided to come out and put on an exhibition.
According to some of the other Eagles, through WIP reporters, it actually did start with Andy Reid asking him to go out for the autograph session.
Since TO came out to practice on his day off, Andy figured if he's healthy enough to do that, he should go to the autograph tent. Then TO blew it up after that.
Supposedly, it was because Reid saw TO practicing on the side (TO had day off) & confronted him about then playing with the whole team & then it blew up.
EDIT- Damn you PhattyMatt
9 pages in less than and hour and a half. That's gotta be a record. Seeing as I only read the first and last page......would someone clue me in on what I missed. Or didn't I miss anything?
Congratulations TO, you went from one of the most beloved figures in Philadelphia to the most hated one.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 04:33:09 PM
9 pages in less than and hour and a half. That's gotta be a record. Seeing as I only read the first and last page......would someone clue me in on what I missed. Or didn't I miss anything?
rjs plugged in an 'abla ass shot'...but it had no effect other than in my pants.
Didn't miss much, it's summed up on this page. Reid...questioned him...TO got mad...left. That's about it. Much ado about a jerk like TO.
Salisbury, with a big ass smile, just said that the Eagles are no longer the favorite in the NFC or even the division.
Then Wingo says the Cowboys will take advantage of the Eagles who are crumbling from within.
See, that's all crap talk. Yes, they aren't as talented, but the crumbling bullshtein, and the "they're worse because of the sideshow" bullshtein is nonsense.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:33:37 PM
Congratulations TO, you went from one of the most beloved figures in Philadelphia to the most hated one.
For real, I've never seen such a transformation in my life. From what people thought about him after the Super Bowl to now, what a difference 6 months makes.
TO's shooting baskets again, maybe he wants to join the Sixers. We need bench players. :-D
ESPN is just as bad as WIP. need I remind anyone of all the crap and false info they provided last offseason when the Eagles were trying to get TO.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:35:16 PM
Salisbury, with a big ass smile, just said that the Eagles are no longer the favorite in the NFC or even the division.
I'm glad I can't see Salisbury right now.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:35:16 PM
Salisbury, with a big ass smile, just said that the Eagles are no longer the favorite in the NFC or even the division.
Then Wingo says the Cowboys will take advantage of the Eagles who are crumbling from within.
See, that's all crap talk. Yes, they aren't as talented, but the crumbling bullshtein, and the "they're worse because of the sideshow" bullshtein is nonsense.
I don't know about you people, but I can only see that jacking the team up for the season. I'm not happy why it occurred but it's going to set a new tone.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:35:16 PM
Salisbury, with a big ass smile, just said that the Eagles are no longer the favorite in the NFC or even the division.
Then Wingo says the Cowboys will take advantage of the Eagles who are crumbling from within.
See, that's all crap talk. Yes, they aren't as talented, but the crumbling bullshtein, and the "they're worse because of the sideshow" bullshtein is nonsense.
:-DWhat a tool! The Cowboys! :-D
The Cowboys won't score over 10 points against us. McNabb and Westbrook can surely manage that.
Salisbury, with a big ass smile, just said that the Eagles are no longer the favorite in the NFC or even the division.
he can have a huge smile cause he has four chins holding it up
I guess they forgot about the three years prior to TO's arrival. Everyone seems to forget about that. Farg em all...those savage bastiches.
NFC Championship...here we come!!
Now all the idiots who bought the TO jerseys have to go spend another 50 dollars.
They all agree (Schlereth, Wingo and Salisbury) that the Cowboys WRs and team is better than the Eagles now. Especially now that they have a QB ??? that can win games for them.
TO is obviously going to play again. This situation looks bad, but TO will be there for the Atlanta game, whether he comes back to camp or not.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:39:46 PM
They all agree (Schlereth, Wingo and Salisbury) that the Cowboys WRs and team is better than the Eagles now. Especially now that they have a QB ??? that can win games for them.
that is so ridiculous im unable to comment anything more.
I don't want him back. Enough of this headache.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:39:46 PM
They all agree (Schlereth, Wingo and Salisbury) that the Cowboys WRs and team is better than the Eagles now. Especially now that they have a QB ??? that can win games for them.
:-D Quit it, you making my stomach hurt! :-D
:-D :'( :-D :'(
I don't know whether to laugh or cry....Vai is reporting that they had a meeting because Reid wanted him to sign autographs. GCobb is reporting that they had a blow up because of TO practicing on his own after Reid gave him the day off.
Neil Hartman walked up to him on his lawn and TO told him "Get off my property. I don't want you on my property. My publicist will release a statement later and that's how I will talk to y'all".
CBS3 Chopper is flying over his house in Moorestown.
Rosenhaus will be making a statement too...
I cannot imagine how any one person can think that the Cowboys have a team that is even close in comparison. They have forgotten that this team could barely manage six wins last season. What a joke. That team will be lucky to win 9 games this year. Farging ESPN sucks.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:39:57 PM
TO is obviously going to play again. This situation looks bad, but TO will be there for the Atlanta game, whether he comes back to camp or not.
My mother promised me a pet monkey when I was 8 yrs old, I'm expecting it any day now.
I hope it's a military chopper and they launch 5 missiles at his house and blow the thing to kingdom come.
The only thing left in the remains would be his hyperbolic chamber.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 04:33:09 PM
9 pages in less than and hour and a half. That's gotta be a record. Seeing as I only read the first and last page......would someone clue me in on what I missed. Or didn't I miss anything?
TO kicked santa in the balls
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:39:57 PM
TO is obviously going to play again. This situation looks bad, but TO will be there for the Atlanta game, whether he comes back to camp or not.
My mother promised me a pet monkey when I was 8 yrs old, I'm expecting it any day now.
Good for you, back on topic now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 04:41:15 PM
:-D :'( :-D :'(
I don't know whether to laugh or cry....Vai is reporting that they had a meeting because Reid wanted him to sign autographs. GCobb is reporting that they had a blow up because of TO practicing on his own after Reid gave him the day off.
Neil Hartman walked up to him on his lawn and TO told him "Get off my property. I don't want you on my property. My publicist will release a statement later and that's how I will talk to y'all".
CBS3 Chopper is flying over his house in Moorestown.
Rosenhaus will be making a statement too...
The only thing missing will be the clowns, acrobats & trained ponies.
He's suspended for a week.
Howard said he's suspended for a week. :-D
Where's Billy V? Where's Don Tollefson? Where's Phil Andrews Scott Palmer Gary Papa anyone from Action News? :-D
Sal Pal on now again...said the "heated exchange" part is overblown. But TO did stalk out of the meeting.
Sal still doesn't know yet whether Reid sent him or if TO left. I heard on one of he news stations that Reid sent him.
Sal Pal saying that TO has been suspended for 1 week...cannot confirm yet...
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 04:44:37 PM
He's suspended for a week.
and what an important week it was. ha
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 04:44:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 04:41:15 PM
:-D :'( :-D :'(
I don't know whether to laugh or cry....Vai is reporting that they had a meeting because Reid wanted him to sign autographs. GCobb is reporting that they had a blow up because of TO practicing on his own after Reid gave him the day off.
Neil Hartman walked up to him on his lawn and TO told him "Get off my property. I don't want you on my property. My publicist will release a statement later and that's how I will talk to y'all".
CBS3 Chopper is flying over his house in Moorestown.
Rosenhaus will be making a statement too...
The only thing missing will be the clowns, acrobats & trained ponies.
Koy Detmer can fill in for those things...he's a jack of all trades, that guy.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:39:57 PM
TO is obviously going to play again. This situation looks bad, but TO will be there for the Atlanta game, whether he comes back to camp or not.
My mother promised me a pet monkey when I was 8 yrs old, I'm expecting it any day now.
Good for you, back on topic now.
Yes, back to posting ill-conceived & illogical theories.
why cant it be september 12?
Mcnabb should pull a Brett Favre and tell TO to stop being a bitch and play. :)
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:47:57 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 04:44:37 PM
He's suspended for a week.
and what an important week it was. ha
So he gets to leave Lehigh early and doesn't have to travel to Pittsburgh. Geez, how harsh... :paranoid
the WIP update guy says.... apparently Reid told Owens to shut up.... Owens said "im a grown man dont tell me to shut up"
:sly
I thought we weren't listening to WIP!
So this situation is pretty much over now. TO is suspended for a week. Camp is over for him pretty much. If Andy didn't want him to be there for the season he would suspend him for the year.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:52:45 PM
the WIP update guy says.... apparently Reid told Owens to shut up.... Owens said "im a grown man dont tell me to shut up"
:sly
I missed the very beginning of it. What made Andy say shut up?
Also Sal Pal reported that "team leaders" were sick of TO getting special treatment and that is what the meeting was about.
Quote from: MURP on August 10, 2005, 04:52:45 PM
the WIP update guy says.... apparently Reid told Owens to shut up.... Owens said "im a grown man dont tell me to shut up"
:sly
All this over that?
20 says Owens says Reid disrespected him.
He's suspended while we figure out a trade.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 04:55:33 PM
I missed the very beginning of it. What made Andy say shut up?
i dunno. probably just about anything that came out of TO's mouth was enough for Reid to do so. :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 04:41:15 PM
CBS3 Chopper is flying over his house in Moorestown.
Rosenhaus will be making a statement too...
That first thing disgusts me.
Rosenhaus already made a statement that "Its between TO and Coach Reid" and that he wasn't getting involved.
And phillywestbrook36, they are not going to trade him. Period.
Why does the first part piss you off? Who cares if they have a chopper over his house.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:55:42 PM
He's suspended while we figure out a trade.
No one will take him.
They could probably suspend him for the year, take back his SB, fine him and then it'll be disputed by TO & Rosenhaus and go to a grievance hearing.
Someone will take him. Someone took Moss ;)
There will not be a trade. We've discussed this for 6 months...
There is only 1 Al Davis.
TO did not LEAVE camp, he was sent home with a suspension.
and phillywestbrook, enough already, seriously. He WILL NOT BE TRADED.
Barkann says Reid told him to get out and suspended him...now confirmed what Eskin & Sal Pal said
Ok, then let him sit out. I don't want him on this team. He's too much of a problem.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:39:31 PM
Now all the idiots who bought the TO jerseys have to go spend another 50 dollars.
and thank god i resisted ! LMAO
Barkann saying that players have confirmed that it was over the autograph thing. Said players confirmed that Reid became so pissed that he did tell him to STFU like MURP said.
Can we still trade TO for Kevin Johnson?
::)
Who the hell titled this thread? ???
QuoteThe Terrell Owens soap opera took its latest turn Wednesday, as the disgruntled Eagles wide receiver has left training camp and returned to his home in New Jersey, according to a report on Comcast Sportsnet.
FOXSports.com has learned that this latest incident was triggered when Owens refused to participate in a mandatory autograph session for wide receivers. After Owens was told by head coach Andy Reid that today was his turn to sign autographs, the wideout ignored the head coach and simply brushed past him.
In addition to this latest transgression, Owens has pretty much stopped communicating with members of the coaching staff. Sources have said that at times he has completely ignored some in the organization.
While Owens may believe his behavior can get him out of Philadelphia, team sources insist they will absolutely not trade the star wide receiver.
Owens had reported to camp despite suggestions that he might hold out. But after suffering a groin injury last Thursday, Owens had missed five of the last six practices.
On Wednesday, he ran some light routes and caught passes from a machine, but did not work with the team.
link (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3879562)
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what a fargin baby...can't sign a fargin autograph...my god. hes bi-polar or something, really. :puke
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 10, 2005, 04:59:19 PM
Someone will take him. Someone took Moss ;)
Exactly, the one team that would take him already spent their money ..... not enough room in all of Oakland for TO and Moss's egos and salaries ..... Maybe the Yankees will sign him.
Ummmmmmm I TOLD YOU SO! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Remember when someone said they don't care if Satan suits up at wide out? Well this is really starting to feel just like that. If he isn't talking to coaches how the hell is he going to help this team actually win a super bowl?
Bench him and let him sit out his contract for 4 years. No one will want him on their team this year, or any year after that.
As much as this all sucks I think deep down we all had to know that this was possible. We took a flyer on the guy for a year we got to the Super Bowl, now we can let him rot.
Quote from: Jam31 on August 10, 2005, 05:14:16 PM
Ummmmmmm I TOLD YOU SO! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
:flipoff :bash :fire :chair :win :crazy :crazy
QuoteOwens then returned to his home in Moorestown, where he was shooting free throws on his driveway basketball court around 4:15 p.m.
"If the truth needs to be told, that's what I'll do," said Owens, who was wearing black shorts and a black T shirt, with a camouflaged Atlanta Braves baseball cap on backwards, with head phones on.
"I mean, if he (Reid) wants to be a man about it and really have me go on the air and tell people what happened, then I can.
"But it was a difference of opinion. I think the report is now that I was blowing my fans off. That's not the case. My fans have been great. They have been great."
"When I was out there on the field, I was attending to my business. They are telling me to go out there and perform and go out there and practice."
"I'm not going into further detail about the altercation."
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 04:35:16 PM
Salisbury, with a big ass smile, just said that the Eagles are no longer the favorite in the NFC or even the division.
Then Wingo says the Cowboys will take advantage of the Eagles who are crumbling from within.
See, that's all crap talk. Yes, they aren't as talented, but the crumbling bullshtein, and the "they're worse because of the sideshow" bullshtein is nonsense.
Why in the world would you even listen to it right now? You're not going to get anything but "I hate TO" "I hate YOU" nonsense.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 05:20:46 PM
QuoteOwens then returned to his home in Moorestown, where he was shooting free throws on his driveway basketball court around 4:15 p.m.
"If the truth needs to be told, that's what I'll do," said Owens, who was wearing black shorts and a black T shirt, with a camouflaged Atlanta Braves baseball cap on backwards, with head phones on.
"I mean, if he (Reid) wants to be a man about it and really have me go on the air and tell people what happened, then I can.
"But it was a difference of opinion. I think the report is now that I was blowing my fans off. That's not the case. My fans have been great. They have been great."
"When I was out there on the field, I was attending to my business. They are telling me to go out there and perform and go out there and practice."
"I'm not going into further detail about the altercation."
Interesting. How can he spin this?
so i just got out of a 2 hour meeting, what did i miss? TO jack a 7-11 or something?
Summary:
TO = I love the fans. Andy was mean to me.
Andy = TO is bad.
Media = TO murdered OJ's wife and ran. Dallas wins the division now.
Hartman on CSn saying that it is a circus at TO's house now (Hartman back in CSN studios) says that TO threatened to call the police on him.
Now TO is playing FOOTBALL on his front lawn with a friend who helped him unpack his truck....
that's for the cliff-notes version BigEd
"Situation is all business, nothing personal. People are ticked off because I'm not talking to everyone. I'm not paid to talk to people. I wasn't signing autographs because I was rehabbing my groin. I got sent home until Wednesday and that's about it. It was a difference of opinion"
Hartman sounded like he wanted to suck him off....
TO is now doing SIT-UPS on his front lawn :-D :-D
He said that he's suspended until Wednesday, over speaking his mind on a difference of opinion from Coach Reid.
Cut him. Get his ass out of here. I want him gone more than ever so that we can win the division, and the conference without his monkey ass and shut everyone up permanetly about this team. We aren't the favorite in the east? Salisbury can suck my farging beanbag.
For the latecomers: basically combining the 20 versions of the different stories out there, there were 2 things at camp today that pissed Andy and the "veteran leaders" off: TO's refusal to do the autograph tent earlier this week (and again today), and TO working out on his own, away from teammates, with what appeared to be no injuries at all. There was a team meeting this afternoon (rare), and at some point today, Reid had enough and sent TO back home to Moorestown with a one-week suspension. Rosenhaus is in New York and says that this is between TO and Andy and he's staying out of it. The Eagles will not trade TO.
I still think the helicopters hovering over his house is funny... :-D
And so is Rosenhaus saying its between AR & TO...come on Drew! I thought you loved the spotlight, man? This is your time to shine.
The fact that even that schmuck is refusing to get involved is funny.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 05:35:42 PM
For the latecomers: basically combining the 20 versions of the different stories out there, there were 2 things at camp today that pissed Andy and the "veteran leaders" off: TO's refusal to do the autograph tent earlier this week (and again today), and TO working out on his own, away from teammates, with what appeared to be no injuries at all. There was a team meeting this afternoon (rare), and at some point today, Reid had enough and sent TO back home to Moorestown with a one-week suspension. Rosenhaus is in New York and says that this is between TO and Andy and he's staying out of it. The Eagles will not trade TO.
Translation, we should firebomb his house and the houses of all of his family members. And possibly everyone he's ever met or accidentally bumped into. We don't want what he's got floating around the gene pool...
Being reported now that TO kicked out his naked grandmom and son out of his house at gunpoint. More to come!
TO, Andy Reid, Drew Rosenhaus, Donovan McNabb, Todd Pinkston, Joe Banner, Dave Spadaro, David Joseph, and Jeff Lurie are holding a joint press conference tomorrow morning. They are expected to announce that this entire offseason was an elaborate practical joke on Philly fans and the ridiculous sports media. TO is still with Joseph, on great terms with McNabb and Reid, not looking for any more money from Banner, and looking forward to another Super Bowl season with the Eagles.
Originally the plan was to do it with Freddie Mitchell instead of TO, but back in the spring everyone realized they actually do hate Freddie.
TO is actually saying the right things right now, and not opening his mouth about the actual situation. Besides the "if he wants to be a man" comment, which I don't think he made on purpose.
He won't be traded, but if they do, it has to be for a WR. Lets TATEr this one....I wouldn't mind trading TO to Pitt for Hines Ward and a 3rd rounder. We can pay Hines.
From watching CSN and listening to GCobb on Eskin's show, it's more than just the two incidents though...they were just the things that caused the bubble to burst that's been building since camp started. FWIW, the media is basically saying this isn't the first issue TO has had with members of the coaching staff at Lehigh, it's just the first one that's blown up and reached the media.
I'm very tired of this shtein. I'm not sure what a one week suspension is going to do. But, I wouldn't cut or trade him either...suspend him and let him rot without pay for 2005, then get back as much of the signing bonus as they can, unless he undergoes a personality metamorphosis in the next few weeks.
Ed...the reports I've heard say that its NOT about the autograph thing earlier this week, but only about today. Because he was on the field working the groin out, the fans all saw him and therefore would have expected him out there. Had he stayed inside and worked on it, there would have been nothing said.
Bob Brookover at TO's house and on DNL now...
Said it is absolutely crazy out at TO's house. Said TO went into his house after doing a vigorous workout to freshen up. TO said that he is working out because he doesn't want the media just staring at his house. Said TO will talk then.
Said 3 choppers are hovering over and there is no place to park cars on the street because it is so crazy.
:-D :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 05:45:52 PM
Bob Brookover at TO's house and on DNL now...
Said it is absolutely crazy out at TO's house. Said TO went into his house after doing a vigorous workout to freshen up. TO said that he is working out because he doesn't want the media just staring at his house. Said TO will talk then.
Said 3 choppers are hovering over and there is no place to park cars on the street because it is so crazy.
:-D :-D
Damn, that's super gay.
This makes the Pinkston injury a lot bigger. Our starting WR's are a mostly unproven #3 and a rookie. With Billy Mac as our #3.
They just brought up the idea of bringing back Freddie after the Chiefs cut him...lol.
Tai Streets? :paranoid
at least this bumps up Westy's fantasy value.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 05:45:52 PM
Said 3 choppers are hovering over and there is no place to park cars on the street because it is so crazy.
That's crazy. A chemical plant was rocked by massive fiery explosions here in southeast Michigan last night, and there was never more than one helicopter on it all night. But three choppers come out to admire TO's lawncare.
Christ I'm starting to hate the media as much as the rest of you jaded fargs.
Freddie Mitchell is on with his fargbuddy Eskin....
Freddie said all of the KC players respect TO for what he's doing
Said McNabb should be careful for what he wished for
Saif he talks to TO everyday sometimes twice of three times and TO is frustrated because he is not getting respect from the Eagles
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 05:52:22 PM
Said he talks to TO everyday sometimes twice of three times and TO is frustrated because he is not getting respect from the Eagles
I think we have found the source of the problem.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 05:52:22 PM
Freddie Mitchell is on with his fargbuddy Eskin....
Freddie said all of the KC players respect TO for what he's doing
Said McNabb should be careful for what he wished for
Saif he talks to TO everyday sometimes twice of three times and TO is frustrated because he is not getting respect from the Eagles
Eskin must not know what to do! He hates TO, yet he sucks off freddie...so...who does he side with? Oh no! The horrors!
Of course he's not getting respect. He's only getting $3M, remember? :P
PS...someone want to explain to the national media that TO didn't just leave camp...that he was suspended.
The publicist speaks:
Quote"T.O. was asked to leave by Andy Reid," Kim Etheredge said. "I don't think that it was heated, it was a difference of opinion. I don't know if there was an argument.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 05:57:37 PM
The publicist speaks:
Quote"T.O. was asked to leave by Andy Reid," Kim Etheredge said. "I don't think that it was heated, it was a difference of opinion. I don't know if there was an argument.
She gets paid for that shtein? I'm in the wrong line of work :-D
But the "heated thing is now disputed by both sides. So we've found one common ground! On the road to recovery! :P
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 05:35:42 PM
For the latecomers: basically combining the 20 versions of the different stories out there, there were 2 things at camp today that pissed Andy and the "veteran leaders" off: TO's refusal to do the autograph tent earlier this week (and again today), and TO working out on his own, away from teammates, with what appeared to be no injuries at all. There was a team meeting this afternoon (rare), and at some point today, Reid had enough and sent TO back home to Moorestown with a one-week suspension. Rosenhaus is in New York and says that this is between TO and Andy and he's staying out of it. The Eagles will not trade TO.
Thank you.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 05:57:37 PM
The publicist speaks:
Quote"T.O. was asked to leave by Andy Reid," Kim Etheredge said. "I don't think that it was heated, it was a difference of opinion. I don't know if there was an argument.
That's what Salpuke had said...that the reports of a heated discussion weren't all that correct.
The publicist doesn't seem to have been told very much by her client.
So, apparently Kim Etheredge also has CSN, because that's what he told Neal Hartman an hour ago.
Kim, thanks for the insight. :yay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 05:52:22 PM
Freddie said all of the KC players respect TO for what he's doing
ha. says a lot about that team.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 05:59:21 PMShe gets paid for that shtein? I'm in the wrong line of work :-D
Of course the downside is that she wakes up every morning thinking "Oh God....please don't let something happen
today!"
Hollis is up next on DNL...should be interesting.
It says a lot about Freddie's outlook on things. He's farging delusional. And if thet team really DOES side with TO on this one, I just lost even more respect for professional athletes. farging morons. Every last one.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 06:02:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 05:59:21 PMShe gets paid for that shtein? I'm in the wrong line of work :-D
Of course the downside is that she wakes up every morning thinking "Oh God....please don't let something happen today!"
Nah, she probably prays for stuff so she can release generic statements and get her name out there.
The media circus is getting bigger outside Casa De TO....
When will the slow speed chase be?
Hollis won't say anything. He's tired of it all...
Do a search on Google Maps for "Landing Court, Moorestown, NJ" to see his house...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:04:37 PM
When will the slow speed chase be?
:-D
Stephen A. Smith on his cell to police from the driver's seat of TO's Monster SUV/Truck: "You know who this is, goddammit!"
Smallwood and the rest of the dopes are going after Hollis about TO and Hollis is trying not talk about it. But the guys will not give it up. Hollis said he doesn't discuss other guys business and that its between TO & management 100,000 times. But they're still going after him.
Crazy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:09:03 PM
Smallwood and the rest of the dopes are going after Hollis about TO and Hollis is trying not talk about it. But the guys will not give it up. Hollis said he doesn't discuss other guys business and that its between TO & management 100,000 times. But they're still going after him.
Crazy.
I hope Hollis gets up, walks out and never talks to them again.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 10, 2005, 06:07:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:04:37 PM
When will the slow speed chase be?
:-D
Stephen A. Smith on his cell to police from the driver's seat of TO's Monster SUV/Truck: "You know who this is, goddammit!"
You forgot his catchphrase, bro....
"Quite frankly, you know who this is, goddammit!" :-D
TO had an incline bench outside doing situps...when asked what he was doing...TO said he was staying in shape during his suspension. :-D :-D
What I'm lookin' at right now is I'm lookin' at the house, and I see TO kinda slouchin' down lookin' very very upset. Now looky here, he look very upset. I don't know what gon' be doin'. And Baba Booey to ya'll!
The Entire league is rooting for the Eagles. Who was the one player, he was a cb/wr, who said Rosenhaus wanted him to hold out, but he realized that's not the way to go about business?
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on August 10, 2005, 05:47:00 PM
This makes the Pinkston injury a lot bigger. Our starting WR's are a mostly unproven #3 and a rookie. With Billy Mac as our #3.
They just brought up the idea of bringing back Freddie after the Chiefs cut him...lol.
Tai Streets? :paranoid
at least this bumps up Westy's fantasy value.
How bout Racin' Reggie Torian :boom
Update:
TO was asked if he will report after the suspension....he dodged the question a few times...but then he was asked if he'd be there on Wednesday and he said said "CORRECT".
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:14:22 PM
Update:
TO was asked if he will report after the suspension....he dodged the question a few times...but then he was asked if he'd be there on Wednesday and he said said "CORRECT".
Where is that from CSN?
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:14:22 PM
Update:
TO was asked if he will report after the suspension....he dodged the question a few times...but then he was asked if he'd be there on Wednesday and he said said "CORRECT".
Where is that from CSN?
NBC10....he was also signing autographs for the crowd outside his house. :-D
This is farging unbeleivable :boom :boom :boom :boom
No wonder TO is so misguided, he's getting advice from Freddie fargin Mitchell. Freddie on WIP said that TO has been talking to him everyday since before mini camps.
Also Freddie said the situatio between TO and Donovan is not good at all, and was bad since TO got hurt last season. TO said something behind the scenes that never leaked and still hasn't leaked and it made Donovan angry.
Freddie can be a moron, but somehow I believe him about that stuff. He has no reason to make stuff up now, and usually told it like it is.... except for his talent of course.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:20:19 PM
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:14:22 PM
Update:
TO was asked if he will report after the suspension....he dodged the question a few times...but then he was asked if he'd be there on Wednesday and he said said "CORRECT".
Where is that from CSN?
NBC10....he was also signing autographs for the crowd outside his house. :-D
You mean he's not "getting treatment?"
:puke
I caught the coverage on the local stations here at work. Funny stuff watching the microphones go back and forth as he did the situps...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 06:34:53 PM
I caught the coverage on the local stations here at work. Funny stuff watching the microphones go back and forth as he did the situps...
:-D :-D Like a tennis match...
TO said that he came back to play in the SB for two reasons:
1. To excercise his faith in God
2. For the fans, because he loves the fans
He said that he loves the fans and that this is not his fault - that he was sent home. He did not leave on his own. He was sent home.
I love TO working out on his lawn. F'n hilarious. Best thing he's ever done and Freddie said it was his idea. The interview on CSN with TO on the cellphone with Hartman. I think that was Freddie on his phone.
That's just what he needs to be doing. Taking advise from Bitchell.
Nauseating. This entire farging fiasco is absolutely nauseating.
(http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0810/4835143_120X90.jpg)
Freddie told him to workout on his driveway? :-D
VIDEO from NBC-10's Interview With TO (http://nbc10.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=7347)
My 8 year old daughter doesn't like Frosted Flakes. Have any of you ever met a kid (diabetics excluded) that didn't eat Frosted Flakes?
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 06:48:57 PM
My 8 year old daughter doesn't like Frosted Flakes. Have any of you ever met a kid (diabetics excluded) that didn't eat Frosted Flakes?
My daughter doesn't like Frosted Flakes or any other sugary cereal. She like Special K and Cheerios.
Meh - more Fruit Loops for Daddy!
:-D
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 06:48:57 PM
My 8 year old daughter doesn't like Frosted Flakes. Have any of you ever met a kid (diabetics excluded) that didn't eat Frosted Flakes?
My daughter doesn't like Frosted Flakes or any other sugary cereal. She like Special K and Cheerios.
Meh - more Fruit Loops for Daddy!
:-D
Thank goodness. I thought my kid was defective. Well, I guess she still could be. But at least now I know that yours could be too. ;) Strength in numbers man. Strength in numbers.
She's just never been given that crap. We've given her healthier stuff since she was a baby and she digs that now instead.
She still eats donuts & stuff like that if we give it to her but not the sweetened cereals.
Like I said, it doesn't bother me any.
PS: If anybody touches my Coco Crispies, it's on, motherfarger!
:boom
Sal Pal just said...
that is was not a private meeting. That TO met with AR and a fe wother people in the FO and they confronted TO on everything. The no signing, the no talking, everything. TO supposedly then blurted out an expletive and Reid told him to get out. Said Reid was a devout Mormon and didn't like the swearing.
Eagles official statement:
Quote"Terrell Owens has been sent home from training camp due to undisclosed team issues. He is expected to return to the team on Wednesday, August 17th."
whooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :P
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 07:01:31 PM
She's just never been given that crap. We've given her healthier stuff since she was a baby and she digs that now instead.
She still eats donuts & stuff like that if we give it to her but not the sweetened cereals.
Like I said, it doesn't bother me any.
PS: If anybody touches my Coco Crispies, it's on, motherfarger!
:boom
Nothing wrong with that at all. My kids love sweets. I don't let them overload on the stuff, but give them some treats every now and then. I just always thought that anyone who liked sugar would like Frosted Flakes. I was shocked when my kid said she didn't like them.
That's ok though because I tricked her. I had bought one of those little variety packs of cereal and when she didn't want the Frosted Flakes I asked her if she wanted the Corn Flakes. She never had them before but said she'd try them. So I gave her a bowl and she didn't like the first bite. So I sprinkled some sugar on and had her try it then. She liked it. So I told her she was basically eating Frosted Flakes and she said she didn't like them anymore. :-D
Ahahahaha!
Evil Dads rule.
:yay
http://kyw.com/news/local_story_222133553.html
Kill Mendte :evil
Wow. The media needs to get off this loser's dick. Stop going to his house, he loves the attention.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:09:03 PM
Smallwood and the rest of the dopes are going after Hollis about TO and Hollis is trying not talk about it. But the guys will not give it up. Hollis said he doesn't discuss other guys business and that its between TO & management 100,000 times. But they're still going after him.
Crazy.
I hope Hollis gets up, walks out and never talks to them again.
i am really looking forward to the day where an athlete actually blows the farging head off a reporter.
you know it's coming.
When did Sal Pal say that? ESPNews? Because ESPN has a ball game on.
It sucks for the fans the most because we need TO to win the SB. They believe they can do it without him, but we don't. If Andy tells him to not come back or whatever then I guess we should be deciding what WR to take with our top 5 pick in the next draft.
Nah, we can still easily get to the SB without him because the NFC sucks, but cmon. Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown and Justin Jenkins as your top 3? Westbrook will be focused on and then the offense goes south and fast.
On tomorrow's "Cold Pizza..."
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:-D
Anyone feel like looking ahead for about 9/10 months?
I thought if TO came in and behaved and did everything the Eagles told him they'd give him the roster bonus, but even that wasn't a guarantee. After this incident, he will DEFINITELY not be here next year, if he's even here at all(I think he will play though) unless he literally saves Andy Reid's life or Banner's and then they just have a group hug and cry and apologize and make up.
So with TO almost 100% gone after this season, looking far into the future, who do you want? Try to get Walker from the Packers? Yes he's a Rosenhaus client, but he's not insane like TO. Trade up in the draft for the top WR pick? Pull a trade with someone? We are gonna need a #1 and a STUD #1 to replace him with. Any ideas just for shteins n giggles?
This is the funniest shtein ever.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 07:36:34 PM
This is the funniest shtein ever.
Agreed. I can't wait until next Wednesday. :crazy
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 07:33:06 PM
Anyone feel like looking ahead for about 9/10 months?
I thought if TO came in and behaved and did everything the Eagles told him they'd give him the roster bonus, but even that wasn't a guarantee. After this incident, he will DEFINITELY not be here next year, if he's even here at all(I think he will play though) unless he literally saves Andy Reid's life or Banner's and then they just have a group hug and cry and apologize and make up.
So with TO almost 100% gone after this season, looking far into the future, who do you want? Try to get Walker from the Packers? Yes he's a Rosenhaus client, but he's not insane like TO. Trade up in the draft for the top WR pick? Pull a trade with someone? We are gonna need a #1 and a STUD #1 to replace him with. Any ideas just for shteins n giggles?
No need for all that. Pinkston will be back next year. :puke
:-D
So...............did anyone catch that 11 run 9th inning the Indians had last night? What a comeback.
He got sent home for cursing and now the sky is falling. God damn, I need popcorn and a bigass soda!
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 07:39:05 PM
He got sent home for cursing and now the sky is falling. God damn, I need popcorn and a bigass soda!
Hold your tongue or you'll be suspended too.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 07:27:21 PM
On tomorrow's "Cold Pizza..."
(http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2004-08-12/news/news_2.gif)
:-D
Most nauseating thought ever! :puke
Does anybody think TO will play for the Eagles this season? IMO he won't but I could be wrong.
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 07:41:20 PM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 07:27:21 PM
On tomorrow's "Cold Pizza..."
(http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2004-08-12/news/news_2.gif)
:-D
Most nauseating thought ever! :puke
I thought I covered that with this:
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 07:37:31 PM
Pinkston will be back next year. :puke
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 07:41:20 PM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 07:27:21 PM
On tomorrow's "Cold Pizza..."
(http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2004-08-12/news/news_2.gif)
:-D
Most nauseating thought ever! :puke
Biggest trouser tent since Chuggie saw The Crying Game.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 07:44:15 PM
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 07:41:20 PM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 07:27:21 PM
On tomorrow's "Cold Pizza..."
(http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2004-08-12/news/news_2.gif)
:-D
Most nauseating thought ever! :puke
I thought I covered that with this:
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 07:37:31 PM
Pinkston will be back next year. :puke
Nope! :puke
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 07:43:33 PM
Does anybody think TO will play for the Eagles this season? IMO he won't but I could be wrong.
Yes. The Eagles aren't going to trade him and I don't think the league wants them to trade him. Because if they do, the team that takes him will most likely rework his contract. TO wins, NFL loses. He's not going to hold out because if he does he won't get paid. Eagles win, TO loses. And once the season starts he's not going to be anywhere near the distraction he is now because Reid won't hesitate to suspend his ass again (ala Meshawn) and he won't get paid. Eagles win, TO loses.
So if nothing else, TO will be on the field for the Eagles this year. Maybe not next year. But this year, yes. I believe he will be.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 07:47:26 PM
Quote from: Double J on August 10, 2005, 07:43:33 PM
Does anybody think TO will play for the Eagles this season? IMO he won't but I could be wrong.
Yes. The Eagles aren't going to trade him and I don't think the league wants them to trade him. Because if they do, the team that takes him will most likely rework his contract. TO wins, NFL loses. He's not going to hold out because if he does he won't get paid. Eagles win, TO loses. And once the season starts he's not going to be anywhere near the distraction he is now because Reid won't hesitate to suspend his ass again (ala Meshawn) and he won't get paid. Eagles win, TO loses.
So if nothing else, TO will be on the field for the Eagles this year. Maybe not next year. But this year, yes. I believe he will be.
I agree with your whole post, I just think that sooner rather than later it will be for the season. I certainly could be wrong but I just see it getting to that point.
Shefter just said he believes TO and the Eages will "divorce sooner than later." :boo
Who?
Generic no-name from NFL Network that's usually wrong, just like everyone on ESPN
i wonder what the logo critics of the nfl have to say about this...biged? :-D
:flipoff
These guys still have names? Shouldn't they all be identified by barcodes now?
I thought he was referring to Craig Scheffer, eponymous 80's star of teen angst-ridden melodramas...
:-D @biged76,000 message boards and counting
Joe Leg's take on the T.O. pajama party:
QuoteTheismann on Eagles
Wednesday, Aug. 10
Theismann
I'm not sure what happened to cause Terrell Owens to leave camp, but I am pretty sure of the consequences and that is that the Eagles are short on veteran receivers.
This team wasn't going into the season with a great set of receivers even with T.O. with last week's loss of Todd Pinkston to injury, but this incident will set the Eagles offense back.
Eagles' executive Joe Banner and coach Andy Reid have to start looking around the league to find a veteran receiver to come in and play just a month before the season starts. To successfully transition a new guy in to Reid's system they should look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Seattle Seahawks and the Green Bay Packers because they run similar systems. That's imperative because of the nature of Reid's system and also because of the lack of time to get ready that they find someone who can walk in and have an idea of what's going on in the playbook.
Looking forward the Eagles may not be in terribly bad shape if the Eagles have to go the entire season without Owens. They are primarily a defensive team anyway and will still have Donovan McNabb, who has played without top-notch receivers his entire career with the exception of last season, helming the offense. This isn't a team like the Packers who will rely on their offense to win games. The Eagles can win those 13-10 ballgames because of their defense and will do it this year if they must. Also, Coach Reid is a very good play caller and will put McNabb in favorable positions regardless of who is at the receiver position.
All in all this isn't the time for Eagles fans to panic.
Joe Theismann, a Super Bowl-winning QB and former NFL MVP, is a regular contributor to Insider.
I hate it when that icehole is rational and makes sense.
:-D
He called Reid a good play caller and you say he's rational?
They had to add a Superbowl winning QB at the end.
I woke up pretty late today at around 3 pm. I was still dead tired because I was up pretty much all morning. I turn on the radio and I hear callers saying "I can't believe TO did this." I'm still half asleep like oh, cmon what did he do now? I wish I just went back to sleep because I have a headache after all this mess.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 08:09:21 PM
Joe Leg's take on the T.O. pajama party:
QuoteTheismann on Eagles
Wednesday, Aug. 10
Theismann
I'm not sure what happened to cause Terrell Owens to leave camp, but I am pretty sure of the consequences and that is that the Eagles are short on veteran receivers.
This team wasn't going into the season with a great set of receivers even with T.O. with last week's loss of Todd Pinkston to injury, but this incident will set the Eagles offense back.
Eagles' executive Joe Banner and coach Andy Reid have to start looking around the league to find a veteran receiver to come in and play just a month before the season starts. To successfully transition a new guy in to Reid's system they should look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Seattle Seahawks and the Green Bay Packers because they run similar systems. That's imperative because of the nature of Reid's system and also because of the lack of time to get ready that they find someone who can walk in and have an idea of what's going on in the playbook.
Looking forward the Eagles may not be in terribly bad shape if the Eagles have to go the entire season without Owens. They are primarily a defensive team anyway and will still have Donovan McNabb, who has played without top-notch receivers his entire career with the exception of last season, helming the offense. This isn't a team like the Packers who will rely on their offense to win games. The Eagles can win those 13-10 ballgames because of their defense and will do it this year if they must. Also, Coach Reid is a very good play caller and will put McNabb in favorable positions regardless of who is at the receiver position.
All in all this isn't the time for Eagles fans to panic.
Joe Theismann, a Super Bowl-winning QB and former NFL MVP, is a regular contributor to Insider.
Wow. First time in I don't know how long I agree with what Theisman's saying. Of course, part of the reason could be because I was able to read his comments and didn't have to listen to it. For all I know, Theisman could say a lot of things I agree with. It's just that as soon as the sound of his voice punctures my ear drums my brain immediately produces a chemical that blocks him out. If Joe Theisman had a morning talk show, he'd be Regis.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 08:19:23 PM
They had to add a Superbowl winning QB at the end.
Yes they did. It's an attempt to make readers forget they are Theisman's comments and believe they come from someone intelligent.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 08:10:43 PM
I hate it when that icehole is rational and makes sense.
EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read it.
Team G Lew says..."All you need is me baby!"
That's what Torrance Small said.
There was a hostage situation/bomb threat around the corner tonight. Only two helicopters covering it.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez... I work all day and come home to this? :-D
Man, TO could fit right in with my middle school classes. Talented and petulant- equally spectacular and abhorrent.
I hope that it can ultimately work out to keep TO on the team this season, but I am starting to gravitate towards the belief that his antics will do more to hurt the team than his talent will to help the team.
If Warrick is released, he could come fairly cheaply. TO will probably not take a threat to suspend him for the season seriously with the current corps of wide receivers. If we could add a good one, Reid could more effectively hold the threat over his head.
I would love if the Eagles could arrange some kind of highway robbery of Pittsburgh to get Ward for TO. I know it isn't going to happen, but even without the Owens' theatrics I would love that trade.
Is there a possibility of signing another RB, one that could take the power-load, and line Westbrook up more at WR? Westbrook at WR could be a leathal weapon.
All this, however, is mere speculation.
The media coverage is crossing the line from just annoying to bizzarre. TO isn't that important. This coverage is just plain silly. :-D
No use looking to bring people in unless we are certain TO won't be here. The Eagles need to make that decision in the next 48 hours or so, because we can't let another team pick up Warrick if he's cut before we decide if TO is here or not. If he gets picked up and then TO comes back wednesday and is a pain then we have no fall back plan.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 08:39:58 PM
No use looking to bring people in unless we are certain TO won't be here. The Eagles need to make that decision in the next 48 hours or so, because we can't let another team pick up Warrick if he's cut before we decide if TO is here or not. If he gets picked up and then TO comes back wednesday and is a pain then we have no fall back plan.
I don't necessarily agree with that. We did lose Pinkston and while I'm still not impressed with what he's done the last 2 years, he was a body that is no longer there. With the inexperience the Eagles have at reciever right now I think they should be scouting for some veteran talent to fill the void. Whether you lose a starting receiver or a back up, the spot still needs to be filled by someone else.
I heard this a couple of hours ago on the radio and come here now and 17 pages worth of posts...
You people need a hobby. :)
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 08:39:58 PM
No use looking to bring people in unless we are certain TO won't be here. The Eagles need to make that decision in the next 48 hours or so, because we can't let another team pick up Warrick if he's cut before we decide if TO is here or not. If he gets picked up and then TO comes back wednesday and is a pain then we have no fall back plan.
With Pinky already gone, I think they could pick up Warrick with the roster they have. Could be planning ahead for a TO-less team, or even just as an insurance policy for the possibility.
Even if they're sure TO will be back for the year, Warrick could be a good pick-up for a WR this season, and for the eventuality of TO's departure, which is appearing more and more certain before that roster bonus comes due.
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 10, 2005, 08:45:10 PM
I heard this a couple of hours ago on the radio and come here now and 17 pages worth of posts...
You people need a hobby. :)
I came here to get away from my hobby. I hadn't blinked in a couple hours.
Well so you guys are saying we should pick him up right away regardless? Yea, I guess you could do that, but then if you get into a bidding war with another team and he disappoints then you spent money on someone you have no use for. Warrick will get a better deal than the Tai Streets of the world. Simply for the fact that he was good in college. Some team out there will have interest IMO.
When has this team ever gotten into a bidding war?
More like a situation where a team offers him _____ and the Eagles have the choice to up their offer. Not back and forth back and forth jacking the price up to 50 million dollars, but in all negotiations, agents tell teams what is out there and if they are willing to do something better.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 08:49:30 PM
Well so you guys are saying we should pick him up right away regardless? Yea, I guess you could do that, but then if you get into a bidding war with another team and he disappoints then you spent money on someone you have no use for. Warrick will get a better deal than the Tai Streets of the world. Simply for the fact that he was good in college. Some team out there will have interest IMO.
Never confuse what I say with expert analysis. ;D
The Phreaks, BigEds, PGs and even IGYs have more info than I can provide.
All I can supply is idle speculation and innuendo.
I'm getting a talk show on ESPN16½ next month. >:D
This is from "John_Runyan_Jersey" on Philaphans.com (http://www.philaphans.com/forums/showthread.php%20&postid=369277#post369277)
QuoteI am by no means somebody with an "inside the Eagles" connection, but I do know several agents who are also practicing attorneys and believe mew when I tell you the whole NFL community chatters and gossips like high school chicks. LOL.
I also have a few buds still up in NJ and PA who know the families of present and past players well.
OK, from the bits and pieces I got, mixed with media info, here goes:
1.I had heard previously through the grapevine the FMitchell revelation on Howard Eskin today about the TO rift with McNabb starting LAST year. From TO's side, he started getting less looks the last 3 games before he was hurt. He wasn't happy as a decoy. Then when he got hurt, he didn't take kindly to McNabb saying they didn't need TO to win the SB. It didn't smack of the kind of a$$ kissing TO craves.
2.TO wants to play for the Jets. He wants NY, and Rosenhaus thinks they are big spenders and want to make a move to catch New England. TO would hate rag armed Pennington, but has NAMED Pennington this off season as a "QB he'd love to play for." If there is a trade of TO, and it ends up being the Jets-you heard it here first. Plus, Herm Edwards has a good relationship with the "new" NFL player (translation: Herm's team is run by the inmates and TO knows this)
3.Reid did not send TO home because he wouldn't sign autographs. The big issue (GCobb is plugged in) was the UNAUTHORIZED practice by TO running near full speed on his day OFF. It was shoving up Andy's can while the cameras were running.
4.The autograph thing is--some EAgles players who also hate to sign (they all do when they are tired-it blows) were P*SSED they had to do it while showboat was off in fantasyland. Reid mentioned his teammates were signing it and he's no better and if he's not sitting out he needs to be in the tent. TO went off. He took it as Reid saying he was jaking it.
Reid said if you are able to go and run full speed, you need to be with your teammates. TO said you are just mad because I'm not talking (translate: to McNabb ect). Reid said to shut up. TO did NOT curse from what I hear, but told Reid to shut up back in defiant fashion. Reid then ran him off for a week. There was no miscommunication-TO knew and knows he was suspended for 7 days. he didn't leave, he was given the boot. Privately, some players feel for TO and are not happy. But the vast majority were secretly cheering like its about time. They are feeling dissed becuase like 13 of them are former or present pro bowlers, and its all TO all the time. They have egos too.
5.Rosenhaus wants NOTHING to do with this thing. Basically, he took a hit in his rep. some over TO, and doesn't think he'll earn ANY coin for his trouble unless and until TO gets dumped or traded. He'd love that, but he can't be perceived as ORCHESTRATING it or he's screwed with most NFL front offices who are watching closely. DR just wants to focus on easier money for now, and will get TO paid well when he is cut for sure after this year.
6.Privately the Eagles brass are not concerned to panic level becuase they know a vet WR, through FA or cuts, will shake free and they are cool with GLu and the vet as starter, and Brown as a #3. They will flex out Westbrook more, and use Moats more too.
I found the Pennington thing interesting because... Have you guys ever seen that show on ESPN2 with FunkMasterFlex hooking up cars for sporst celebs? Not the one that he does on SpikeTV, but ESPN2 was running a similar show.
FMF did a car for TO and delivered it to him in ATL. They were playing catch in his yard and FMF asked him about QBs who he would like to play with. He didn't mention Donovan, but said Trent Green (must be listening to his boy Freddie) and Chad Pennington.
This was on sometime in June on ESPN2 late one night...
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 08:53:04 PM
More like a situation where a team offers him _____ and the Eagles have the choice to up their offer. Not back and forth back and forth jacking the price up to 50 million dollars, but in all negotiations, agents tell teams what is out there and if they are willing to do something better.
Well if a team was only going to offer Warrick a blank line then I'm pretty sure the Eagles would be willing to match, or possibly double the offer by giving him ========. That's right. 2 blank lines baby.
Another thing...if they plan on picking up a good WR, they better hope any who shake loose will play for the vet minimum. Because they've got about $5M left in cap room.
1. They still need to sign Westbrook
2. They need to extend Mike Lewis
3. They'll need to sign a vet WR (maybe)
4. They like to keep $2M for injuries & LTBE's to be written in for use next year
Horay for backloaded deals!
He mentioned Pennington before his trade to Baltimore...
Good info, but that still leads back to the same point. It's not necessarily that we can't win without TO, but rather that we can't win without a true #1 star WR. It's just this team doesn't have that other than TO. So even if we did trade TO, we won't get back a star WR in return, so we still are at the same point where we were. Even if it's Mccareins or something. That isn't good enough. He's decent, but not a stud.
This settles it, we need Dawk to go Iron Man.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 08:57:39 PM
Another thing...if they plan on picking up a good WR, they better hope any who shake loose will play for the vet minimum. Because they've got about $5M left in cap room.
1. They still need to sign Westbrook
2. They need to extend Mike Lewis
3. They'll need to sign a vet WR (maybe)
4. They like to keep $2M for injuries & LTBE's to be written in for use next year
Cap room is doubled just by dumping Simon.
I got a little sun burn playing volleyball at the beach on Saturday and now my forehead is peeling. I'm going to eat it just like Goldmember because he's my fazha.
I was at the PGA practice round today and found Kenny Perry no longer is sponsored by Tabasco!
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 10, 2005, 09:06:28 PM
I was at the PGA practice round today and found Kenny Perry no longer is sponsored by Tabasco!
Tradgic.
blah blah blah...TO will NOT be traded.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:07:54 PM
blah blah blah...TO will NOT be traded.
We already traded him. You edited the article.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:07:54 PM
blah blah blah...TO will NOT be traded.
You a lawyer? :sly
Quote from: Larry on August 10, 2005, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 08:57:39 PM
Another thing...if they plan on picking up a good WR, they better hope any who shake loose will play for the vet minimum. Because they've got about $5M left in cap room.
1. They still need to sign Westbrook
2. They need to extend Mike Lewis
3. They'll need to sign a vet WR (maybe)
4. They like to keep $2M for injuries & LTBE's to be written in for use next year
Cap room is doubled just by dumping Simon.
You're right. But they're not just going to dump him, although I wouldn't mind it.
Simon is their biggest trading chip to be used if they feel the need to suspend TO for the whole year. Simon could bring a good WR in return. He is a stubborn sonofabitch though and asks for ridiculous contracts. So no team can work out a deal with him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:09:51 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 10, 2005, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:07:54 PM
blah blah blah...TO will NOT be traded.
You a lawyer? :sly
lol, I was imitating the dude from Phreak's post.
All I've got to say is that it's a good thing that I didn't see this posting before I got home from school. That would have been a day of education wasted for too many students.
"Mr. Summers, how do I answer..."
"Shhhhhhhhhh! Can't you see I'm posting! Go to your seat!"
:-D
What could Simon and a 2nd rounder get us? Not anyone specific but a player in someone's ball park. I guess it depends on the team that needs a DT.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:12:56 PM
What could Simon and a 2nd rounder get us? Not anyone specific but a player in someone's ball park. I guess it depends on the team that needs a DT.
Kevin Johnson and a lot of hummers.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:10:02 PM
Simon could bring a good WR in return. He is a stubborn sonofabitch though and asks for ridiculous contracts. So no team can work out a deal with him.
Therein lies the problem. He only wants to go to certain teams and his demands change depending on the team who asks about him. When San Fran asked, he said he would take a $20M SB, with the Ravens, it was 15M.
No one will work with him on it.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 09:13:57 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:12:56 PM
What could Simon and a 2nd rounder get us? Not anyone specific but a player in someone's ball park. I guess it depends on the team that needs a DT.
Kevin Johnson and a lot of hummers.
From Eckel.
I think Simon and a 5th could get us Robert Ferguson. He isn't worth trading for though. We could probably get him just for Simon. He is a #2 at best. Would the Saints give up Stallworth for Simon and a pick? Would the Bills give up Moulds for Simon and a pick? What about Charles Rogers from the Lions? Just trying to throw names out there. I love speculation. >:D
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:17:03 PM
I think Simon and a 5th could get us Robert Ferguson. He isn't worth trading for though. We could probably get him just for Simon. He is a #2 at best. Would the Saints give up Stallworth for Simon and a pick? Would the Bills give up Moulds for Simon and a pick? What about Charles Rogers from the Lions? Just trying to throw names out there. I love speculation. >:D
You are completely missing the point on this whole Simon thing. NO TEAM will trade for him with his demands. NONE, NADA, ZERO.
Westbrook and Mahe at WR, Buck and Moats (when Buck gets hurt) at RB.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:17:03 PM
I think Simon and a 5th could get us Robert Ferguson. He isn't worth trading for though. We could probably get him just for Simon. He is a #2 at best. Would the Saints give up Stallworth for Simon and a pick? Would the Bills give up Moulds for Simon and a pick? What about Charles Rogers from the Lions? Just trying to throw names out there. I love speculation. >:D
You are completely missing the point on this whole Simon thing. NO TEAM will trade for him with his demands. NONE, NADA, ZERO.
I know that, but it's still fun to speculate. Just like everyone did before we got TO.
this thread needs to stop growing
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:48:03 PM
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Freddie told him to workout on his driveway? :-D
VIDEO from NBC-10's Interview With TO (http://nbc10.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=7347)
LMAO That's farging hilarious. :-D
From Spads:
QuoteI think I will take the view of hope, that he'll get his head together and come back right. If not, he doesn't play. Simple.
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 10, 2005, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:48:03 PM
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Freddie told him to workout on his driveway? :-D
VIDEO from NBC-10's Interview With TO (http://nbc10.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=7347)
LMAO That's farging pathetic. :-D
fixed ;)
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:19:09 PM
I know that, but it's still fun to speculate. Just like everyone did before we got TO.
Speculate, but speculate with a shred of realism. lol
That's no fun. Mahe to start at WR!
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 09:25:43 PM
That's no fun. Mahe to start at WR!
But see, the starting part might not be true, but him lining up at WR COULD be true at some point, in some game this season.
Forget about the whole Simon thing then. I just want to make a list of quality and potentially available WRs we could obtain through trade if worst comes to worst.
No, I won't accept Kevin Johnson and Tai Streets as answers. Ain't happening. If worst comes to worst there is going to be someone out there of quality we could trade for. Whether we deal Simon for him or not, it's nice to have the names in your head to speculate.
Starting, I said!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 10, 2005, 09:22:49 PM
From Spads:
QuoteI think I will take the view of hope, that he'll get his head together and come back right. If not, he doesn't play. Simple.
Wouldn't expect anything less from Spads.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:27:47 PM
Forget about the whole Simon thing then. I just want to make a list of quality and potentially available WRs we could obtain through trade if worst comes to worst.
No, I won't accept Kevin Johnson and Tai Streets as answers.
Jerry Rice.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:27:47 PM
Forget about the whole Simon thing then. I just want to make a list of quality and potentially available WRs we could obtain through trade if worst comes to worst.
No, I won't accept Kevin Johnson and Tai Streets as answers. Ain't happening. If worst comes to worst there is going to be someone out there of quality we could trade for. Whether we deal Simon for him or not, it's nice to have the names in your head to speculate.
Trade WHAT? They are NOT trading TO. So, forget that thought.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:19:09 PM
I know that, but it's still fun to speculate. Just like everyone did before we got TO.
Speculate, but speculate with a shred of realism. lol
Don't worry, TO is GOD, you can have the time slot right after mine on ESPN 16½.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 09:25:43 PM
That's no fun. Mahe to start at WR!
OK, maybe the slot after GF. :-D
20 pages! I haven't seen this much activity this fast since they were first trying to get TO here (to the Eagles). Awesome. :-D
SportsNite is on. Time to watch all the fun again :D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 10, 2005, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:19:09 PM
I know that, but it's still fun to speculate. Just like everyone did before we got TO.
Speculate, but speculate with a shred of realism. lol
Don't worry, TO is GOD, you can have the time slot right after mine on ESPN 16½.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 09:25:43 PM
That's no fun. Mahe to start at WR!
OK, maybe the slot after GF. :-D
Move over, Cheap Seats!
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 09:32:09 PM
SportsNite is on. Time to watch all the fun again :D
No, thank you. I'll turn it on in 30 minutes to watch some of the Phils game before falling asleep and missing them blow it in the 8th.
I'll tough out the next half hour of stoner rock instead of watching the news. Any news.
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 10, 2005, 09:30:57 PM
20 pages! I haven't seen this much activity this fast since they were first trying to get TO here (to the Eagles). Awesome. :-D
We're just having fun now, TE.
Westbrook at WR! >:D
Mahe at WR! ;D
McNabb at WR! :-D
Reid at WR! :-*
When we win the Superbowl, if TO has 15 catches for 150, will he get the MVP, or will they spite him and give it to McNabb?
They'd give it to Akers before TO.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 09:35:46 PM
They'd give it to Akers before TO.
They'd give it to Mr. Achilles Pinkston before TO.
What about Freddie Mitchell?
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:27:47 PM
Forget about the whole Simon thing then. I just want to make a list of quality and potentially available WRs we could obtain through trade if worst comes to worst.
No, I won't accept Kevin Johnson and Tai Streets as answers. Ain't happening. If worst comes to worst there is going to be someone out there of quality we could trade for. Whether we deal Simon for him or not, it's nice to have the names in your head to speculate.
The Eagles probably aren't going to trade anybody for a WR or any other player.
Why is SalPal making a big deal out of the Eagles statement "We
expect TO to be here the 17th?" Owens is straight up stone cold wacko-loon, there's no way the Eagles
know he'll be there.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:36:43 PM
What about Freddie Mitchell?
He'll have to catch a pass before they even think of him for MVP.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:48:03 PM
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Freddie told him to workout on his driveway? :-D
VIDEO from NBC-10's Interview With TO (http://nbc10.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=7347)
All kidding aside, these are not the acts of a sane & rational person. This looks like an episode of Cops.
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Quote from: Tomahawk on August 10, 2005, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:27:47 PM
Forget about the whole Simon thing then. I just want to make a list of quality and potentially available WRs we could obtain through trade if worst comes to worst.
No, I won't accept Kevin Johnson and Tai Streets as answers. Ain't happening. If worst comes to worst there is going to be someone out there of quality we could trade for. Whether we deal Simon for him or not, it's nice to have the names in your head to speculate.
The Eagles probably aren't going to trade anybody for a WR or any other player.
Why is SalPal making a big deal out of the Eagles statement "We expect TO to be here the 17th?" Owens is straight up stone cold wacko-loon, there's no way the Eagles know he'll be there.
Because SalPal, along with the entire sports media, rather than doing their job of investigative reporting, resorts to yellow journalism tactics designed to sell papers or air time rather than impartially report the facts.
Lets put news helicopters over your house and see if you can come across as normal.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:48:03 PM
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Freddie told him to workout on his driveway? :-D
VIDEO from NBC-10's Interview With TO (http://nbc10.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=7347)
All kidding aside theses are not the acts of a sane & rational person. This looks like an episode of Cops.
(http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0810/4835691_200X150.jpg)
:-D
I think he's bi-polar or something.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:39:33 PM
I think he's bi-polar or something.
There's a lot of that going around.
There was a call about 10 min back on WIP where a guy said him and his friends knocked for TO and he came out and talked with them for about 20 minutes. The funny thing about it is, I could see TO doing that.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 09:40:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:39:33 PM
I think he's bi-polar or something.
There's a lot of that going around.
Who else? I remember Demitrius Underwood and Alonzo Spellman being full blown wacko's...
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 09:39:30 PM
Lets put news helicopters over your house and see if you can come across as normal.
I'd be down my basement looking at brazilian co-ed porn, much like every other day.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:48:03 PM
(http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0810/4835143_120X90.jpg)
Freddie told him to workout on his driveway? :-D
VIDEO from NBC-10's Interview With TO (http://nbc10.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=7347)
All kidding aside theses are not the acts of a sane & rational person. This looks like an episode of Cops.
(http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0810/4835691_200X150.jpg)
:-D
I think he's bi-polar or something.
All I know is Spadaro has his shorts down around his ankles and he's crying uncontrollably.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 09:40:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:39:33 PM
I think he's bi-polar or something.
There's a lot of that going around.
Who else? I remember Demitrius Underwood and Alonzo Spellman being full blown wacko's...
Ricky Williams
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 09:40:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:39:33 PM
I think he's bi-polar or something.
There's a lot of that going around.
Who else? I remember Demitrius Underwood and Alonzo Spellman being full blown wacko's...
No, I meant on the message board. :-D
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 09:42:16 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 10, 2005, 09:40:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:39:33 PM
I think he's bi-polar or something.
There's a lot of that going around.
Who else? I remember Demitrius Underwood and Alonzo Spellman being full blown wacko's...
No, I meant on the message board. :-D
Oh, my bad. :-D
Be right back..I've got to go take my lithium pills and wellbutrin.
Guys, sorry to say, TO isn't like those guys. Underwood tried numerous times to kill himself, Ricky retired for no other reason than he wanted to smoke weed. TO's got issues, but don't lump him in with them.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 10, 2005, 09:37:03 PM
Why is SalPal making a big deal out of the Eagles statement "We expect TO to be here the 17th?" Owens is straight up stone cold wacko-loon, there's no way the Eagles know he'll be there.
TO said today that he would be back on Wednesday, just in case you missed it.
Ol Skippy Clueless will say that he say this coming from the second TO corrected Big Red during the press conference to introduce him. "It's Tear-Ul."
On a serious note, I think while TO fronts this self-confident superman attitude, I think in actuality he's extremely insecure and can't handle any type of criticism. So to beat that, he starts talking himself up and that is why he always rips people through the media. He rips them before they can rip him. Being insecure and paranoid, he is afraid someone will trash him, so he lashes out at them. That would explain all the unnecressary rips on Donovan, Garcia, and Ray Lewis. While some of the stuff he said was funny, there really isn't a reason for it. I think eventually he became so paranoid and insecure that he went insane and a defense mechanism went off in his brain that makes him think he is on top of the world. He is nuts.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:44:54 PM
Guys, sorry to say, TO isn't like those guys. Underwood tried numerous times to kill himself, Ricky retired for no other reason than he wanted to smoke weed. TO's got issues, but don't lump him in with them.
Jokes. I was joking. But the dude's head ain't right thats for sure...
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:47:01 PM
On a serious note, I think while TO fronts this self-confident superman attitude, I think in actuality he's extremely insecure and can't handle any type of criticism. So to beat that, he starts talking himself up and that is why he always rips people through the media. He rips them before they can rip him. Being insecure and paranoid, he is afraid someone will trash him, so he lashes out at them. That would explain all the unnecressary rips on Donovan, Garcia, and Ray Lewis. While some of the stuff he said was funny, there really isn't a reason for it. I think eventually he became so paranoid and insecure that he went insane and a defense mechanism went off in his brain that makes him think he is on top of the world. He is nuts.
TO didn't all out rip on Ray Lewis...Joey Porter did and TO repeated what Porter said. Just an FYI.
Remember the press conference the next day he brought up Ray Lewis' double murder case out of nowhere? It wasn't called for.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:50:06 PM
Remember the press conference the next day he brought up Ray Lewis' double murder case out of nowhere? It wasn't called for.
You're wrong. It wasn't out of nowhere. Joey Porter had brought it up the day or 2 before that...TO repeated what Porter said and even said, "As Porter said.....blah blah blah"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 09:47:51 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 10, 2005, 09:44:54 PM
Guys, sorry to say, TO isn't like those guys. Underwood tried numerous times to kill himself, Ricky retired for no other reason than he wanted to smoke weed. TO's got issues, but don't lump him in with them.
Jokes. I was joking. But the dude's head ain't right thats for sure...
Issues, as I said. :P
Hartman's "exclusive" interview with TO (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/081005-to.wmv) (video)
Not sure if it was mentioned yet (don't feel like looking), but TO is going back to Atlanta for the rest of the week...
The best part of Neil's interview is him screaming "thank you, TO" about 40 times. You'd think TO just gave him his boxers or something.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 09:55:36 PM
Hartman's "exclusive" interview with TO (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/081005-to.wmv) (video)
Not sure if it was mentioned yet (don't feel like looking), but TO is going back to Atlanta for the rest of the week...
Was this interview the one from earlier today? The one where Hollis said that neil was stalking TO? LOL
I figured he'd go back to Atlanta...he's going to go get an earful from his mama.
It still wasn't necessary to bring him up, and TO didn't quote Porter, it was in response to someone asking him about being misunderstood.
This was the one after TO chased him off the lawn :-D
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:57:35 PM
It still wasn't necessary to bring him up, and TO didn't quote Porter, it was in response to someone asking him about being misunderstood.
Yes (sigh) he DID quote Porter.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 09:58:30 PM
This was the one after TO chased him off the lawn :-D
LOL..yup. They showed it on DNL and then when they had Hollis on, they showed it to him. When it was all done, HOllis is like, "Well, I just watched it....and I still think Neil is stalking the man" :-D
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 09:57:35 PM
It still wasn't necessary to bring him up, and TO didn't quote Porter, it was in response to someone asking him about being misunderstood.
Yeah he did, bro.
He said "Like Joey Porter said...."
I think I remember that now, but it was more like:
Like Jerry Porter said: Ray Lewis... double murder case. He wasn't quoting him word for word. He was referencing him. That makes it uncalled for. It was such an obvious shot at Ray Lewis.
Honestly, I don't care how he referenced Ray. I hate the basatrd Lewis so I laughed my as off at it. He got off easy, the prick. No one has been brought to justice in that case where two people died and alls he got was a slap on the wrist.
I thought it was hilarious too, but it was just a point that TO always rips people for no reason. It was funny, but he had no reason to even bring Ray Lewis' name into a question about TO being misunderstood. Ray Lewis wasn't asked about in the question. TO could've just said that I've never been arrested. He didn't have to bring his name in, but he did. While it was funny, all it does is show how insecure TO really is. His self-confidence is nothing but a front. The guy is stuck in eternal denial. The one thing that is good about him though is he is easily motivated because of that same insecurity. He is so obsessed with proving critics wrong, because if he can't, then his act of being Mr. Confident is over. Then he has nothing to fall back on. TO is so insecure I bet you if Skip Bayless comes out tomorrow and says TO sucks and won't do squat this year, TO would be so set in proving him wrong because he's so insecure and that comment bothers him so much, that he would actually drop all this contract BS and come in and play just to prove one man wrong. He is that insane.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 10:11:00 PM
I thought it was hilarious too, but it was just a point that TO always rips people for no reason.
So do I, but nobody is demanding I be traded. ... :paranoid
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 10:12:41 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 10:11:00 PM
I thought it was hilarious too, but it was just a point that TO always rips people for no reason.
So do I, but nobody is demanding I be traded. ... :paranoid
We've tried. But you're not even fetching us a used diaper on the market right now.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 10, 2005, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 10:12:41 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 10, 2005, 10:11:00 PM
I thought it was hilarious too, but it was just a point that TO always rips people for no reason.
So do I, but nobody is demanding I be traded. ... :paranoid
We've tried. But you're not even fetching us a used diaper on the market right now.
Good. I've got enough of those around right now. :puke
My power was out for the past hour so I was unable to see/hear/read anything TO related. I havent been that happy since January 23rd. :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 10, 2005, 10:40:18 PM
My power was out for the past hour so I was unable to see/hear/read anything TO related. I havent been that happy since January 23rd. :-D :-D :-D
Lucky. If this shtein keeps up I'm just going to stop paying my power bill. Because I can't not turn the tv on or check the board to see what's going on. But if my power gets turned off, I can finally leave in peace. Until dark. Then it'll kind of suck. But during the day it'll be cool.
Buy some candles from hbionic. Just don't ask how he makes them.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 10, 2005, 11:08:11 PM
Buy some candles from hbionic. Just don't ask how he makes them.
He get's them from the same place all the gays do. Bed, Bath and Beyond.
The sad part is that all of us know better by now, but TO still managed to get 22 pages of speculation and freak-outs from us in the space of 12 hours.
Some of us are just bored.
i just can't go through all 22 pages of this thread so can you tell me how the TO apologists are trying to spin this one? :-D i'm very curious. ;D
Quote from: mhunt on August 11, 2005, 06:42:33 AM
i just can't go through all 22 pages of this thread so can you tell me how the TO apologists are trying to spin this one? :-D i'm very curious. ;D
Dude, check out T.O.'s message boards.
It's positively surreal.
:paranoid
Quote from: mhunt on August 11, 2005, 06:42:33 AM
i just can't go through all 22 pages of this thread so can you tell me how the TO apologists are trying to spin this one? :-D i'm very curious. ;D
::) Maybe you should read it instead of assuming anything.
i thought we already established that i'm not reading 22 pages worth of posts :-D....anyway, i need somebody to tell me that this isn't a big deal....the media is blowing everything out of proportion...and TO will be there for the regular season when it really matters. it would make me feel a lot better. ;)
Quote from: mhunt on August 11, 2005, 08:01:35 AM
i thought we already established that i'm not reading 22 pages worth of posts :-D....anyway, i need somebody to tell me that this isn't a big deal....the media is blowing everything out of proportion...and TO will be there for the regular season when it really matters. it would make me feel a lot better. ;)
Count me in as one who still believes he'll be there for the first game of the season.
that's what i'm talking about. ;D
the thought of going into the season with lewis/brown brings back memories of thrash/pinkson & johnson/small and i don't want to think about that. :paranoid
Quote from: mhunt on August 11, 2005, 08:01:35 AM
i thought we already established that i'm not reading 22 pages worth of posts :-D....anyway, i need somebody to tell me that this isn't a big deal....the media is blowing everything out of proportion...and TO will be there for the regular season when it really matters. it would make me feel a lot better. ;)
This isn't a big deal. The media is blowing it out of proportion. TO will be there for the regular season.
Quote from: mhunt on August 11, 2005, 08:16:29 AM
that's what i'm talking about. ;D
the thought of going into the season with lewis/brown brings back memories of thrash/pinkson & johnson/small and i don't want to think about that. :paranoid
Other than the fact that TO said he'd be back on Wednesday, here are my thoughts in a nutshell (pun intended). TO is a nutcase. We all knew that. Period.
But he's also NOT dumb enough (and if he actually IS dumb enough, his mama won't let him throw his career down the toilet) to not come back and play. If he doesn't come back, he sits...doesn't get paid, gives back part of his signing bonus...and will NOT be traded (fact). At the end of the season, he'll still owe the Eagles a season at this years' pay and they still won't trade him. Even IF (this is totally hypothetical) they wanted to trade him, no one would take him at this point. Yes, some team might actually want him, but they'd have to take his current deal (all of it) and restructure....and if they can't get him to restructure (which they wont, because he wants MORE money, not less), they won't make a deal (kind of like the Simon thing right now).
He'll go home to Atlanta, get an earful from mama about the fact that he has to go back, and he'll come back here on Wednesday and play football. I think before it happens though, he's going to have to sit down with Reid and talk to him. If Reid can find a way to talk to Trotter after THAT debacle (where Reid and Trotter had their fight), he can do it with TO.
I think TO going home right now will be a good thing because those close to him are going to tell him that if he doesn't come back, he's in a lot of trouble career-wise. He'll be 32? 33? And he'll still owe the Eagles a season of play...and if they finally let him go at age 34, where is he going to get big bucks from? Nowhere.
Yes, he's a complete idiot for what is going on. Yes, he is a total pain in the ass. But yes, he is the best WR in the game and my favorite team in the world needs him to win a Super Bowl. THEY NEED HIS TALENT ON THE FIELD TO WIN A SUPER BOWL.
QuoteEagles, Rice knock T.O. down a notch
There's little brotherly love for Philly star after he's sent away from camp
By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
"After Philadelphia Eagles All-Pro receiver Terrell Owens was asked to leave training camp Wednesday following a heated exchange with coach Andy Reid, Denver Broncos receiver Jerry Rice said the situation has gotten "out of control" and criticized his former teammate for becoming a huge distraction.
After Wednesday night's practice against the Texans at Reliant Park, Rice sent a message to his former San Francisco teammate, who was suspended for a week by Reid nearly seven months after starring for the Eagles in the Super Bowl.
"You can't be a distraction like that," Rice said. "You've got to put the team first. It's out of hand now. It's out of control.
"You're talking about a team that went to the Super Bowl last season. They need to be thinking about what they have to do this season to get back to the Super Bowl. They don't need this right now."
Philadelphia media reported that Reid suspended Owens after a heated exchange in a team meeting. Owens, who had been nursing a groin injury, was asked to return in seven days.
"I don't condone what he did," Rice said about Owens. "All I know is that he just had some words with Andy Reid. If he kicked him out, I guess he had his reasons.
"T.O. is a great, great player. But I don't feel like you're bigger than the team. It's a situation that needs to be dealt with. It needs to be over."
Rice and Owens were teammates with the 49ers for five seasons (1996-2000).
"One thing about T.O.: He's very defensive," Rice said. "If he feels like you've crossed him or stabbed him in the back, he doesn't forget that. As a professional athlete, you've got to be able to move on."
Owens, who has created one controversy after another in his 10-year career, had been a huge distraction since he ended his threats to hold out and reported to camp. The Eagles have refused to renegotiate the seven-year, $48.9 million contract he signed last year.
"If I had just signed a contract," Rice said, "I wouldn't publicize it. I'd go back to the team and say, 'Hey, look, guys, I feel like I should be paid like the top receivers. See what you guys can do.' That's not calling management out."
Rice wasn't the only great player who was critical of Owens on Wednesday. Former running back Eric Dickerson, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, weighed in on the controversy while watching the Texans and Broncos.
What was he thinking?
Dickerson found it hard to understand that Owens wanted to renegotiate after making $9.5 million last year.
"Hey, I'm always for the player, because I was a player, and I went through a situation like that," Dickerson said about forcing a trade from the Rams to the Colts because he was unhappy with his contract. "But when you made $9.5 million and you say you can't feed your family, what family are you trying to feed? I can feed these two teams right here and a lot of others for that kind of money."
Owens defended himself to Comcast SportsNet during an interview at his home in Moorestown, N.J.
"I got sent home until Wednesday for whatever reason," Owens said. "It was just a difference of opinion. I was defending myself.
"If the truth needs to be told, then that's what I'll do. If he (Reid) wants to be a man about it and have me really go on the air and really tell the people what happened, then I can. It was a difference of opinion."
The Eagles also had a statement: "Terrell Owens has been sent home from training camp due to undisclosed team issues. He is expected to return to the team (next) Wednesday."
Owens refused to confirm reports that said his argument with Reid focused on his failure to attend autograph signings.
"I haven't been signing autographs on the outside because I have been rehabbing on the inside," Owens said.
The receiver's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, told talk-show host David Letterman that "there are other options" besides his client's rejoining the Eagles.
Fine start in 2004
Last season, Owens had 77 receptions for 1,200 yards and a franchise-record 14 touchdowns before severely injuring his ankle late in the season.
In eight years in San Francisco, Owens' antics — including pulling a Sharpie from his sock and autographing a football, posing on the Cowboys' star at midfield in Texas Stadium, and waving a cheerleader's pompoms — often overshadowed his success."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Rosenhaus is full of it. there are NO other options. None. Sorry Drew.
As one of TO's fans and a guy who thought he'd be there on September 12th, I'm starting to change my mind.
If he doesn't show up, I still think the Eagles win it all.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2005, 08:32:48 AM
As one of TO's fans and a guy who thought he'd be there on September 12th, I'm starting to change my mind.
Read my post above. He'll still be there Sept. 12th. He has NO other options. Zero.
Except retirement.
Sure he does, PG...he can come back and act a fool again and get Keyshawn'd.
QuoteSUSPENDED ANIMATION
By LES BOWEN
bowenl@phillynews.com
BETHLEHEM - Someday, perhaps soon, we'll know which side gained an advantage yesterday, when the cold war between Terrell Owens and the Eagles heated up long enough for the team to send T.O. away from training camp for a week.
Was it Owens? Was the All-Pro wideout's icy demeanor toward some teammates and coaches calculated to convince the Eagles their best option for the coming season is to trade or release him, and rid themselves of a huge distraction?
Or was it the Eagles? Some NFL observers feel the team is now poised to wield the hammer of asking for the return of as much as $1.87 million of Owens' signing bonus, under an addendum to every contract the Eagles negotiate that states a suspension for conduct detrimental to the team can result in the team recouping a prorated portion of bonus money.
If the Eagles actually came after Owens' money, with him already extremely unhappy over their refusal to revise his 7-year, $48.97 million deal, that would make T.O. continuing to play for the team pretty much unimaginable. But perhaps the Eagles feel they can mandate less-disruptive behavior by threatening to come after the money, in the wake of what most people would consider a suspension - even if the two-sentence statement the organization issued last night didn't use the "s" word. (A source close to the situation confirmed the omission of that word was intentional, probably for reasons relating to the collective-bargaining agreement, which apparently gives Owens the right to file a grievance and be heard by an abitrator).
"Terrell was never told, 'You're suspended,' " Owens publicist Kim Etheredge said last night.
Owens' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, was in New York to tape "Late Show with David Letterman." Rosenhaus did not return calls from the Daily News, but he told the Associated Press: "Basically, the coach [Andy Reid] told him he should take a rest and get some rehab and [Reid] would get back to him in a few days."
It's all very murky and confusing. We know this for sure: Owens and Reid exchanged sharp words after the morning practice. The immediate cause was Owens' refusal to go to the Lehigh autograph tent with the rest of the wideouts Sunday and yesterday. But sources close to the situation said the confrontation had been building since Owens reported to camp 9 days earlier. There were several conflicts, including an interaction with offensive coordinator Brad Childress Tuesday night in which Childress greeted Owens and was told, "Don't speak to me unless I speak to you," sources said.
After yesterday's argument - which did not occur in a meeting, several sources close to the situation said, contrary to early reports - Owens was "sent home," according to the team's sparse statement. He spent the late afternoon and early evening frolicking on his Moorestown, N.J., lawn, eventually preening shirtless in front of a horde of TV, radio and newspaper reporters.
"Terrell Owens has been sent home from training camp due to undisclosed team issues," the statement said. "He is expected to return to the team on Wednesday, Aug. 17."
Neither Reid nor team president Joe Banner could be reached for comment.
Owens was more expansive.
"I'm not going to get into the altercation, because if the truth needs to be told, then that's what I'll do. If he wants to be a man about it and have me go on the air and really tell people what happened, then I can," Owens told Comcast SportsNet's Neil Hartman, outside Owens' house. "But it was a difference of opinion. I think the report is now that I was blowing my fans off. That's not the case. The fans of Philly have been great. In training camp, they've been great. When I'm out there on the field, I'm tending to my business. They're telling me to go out there and perform and practice and that's what I've been doing. Just because I don't talk to everybody, you know, that's up to me."
Officially, the Owens and Eagles camps expect that T.O. will be back at practice a week from yesterday, when the team convenes at the NovaCare Center for the first time this training camp, following Monday's preseason opener at Pittsburgh. The Eagles said so in their statement, and Etheredge said last night: "Yes, they asked him to return on Wednesday, and he will."
And certainly, in the wake of Todd Pinkston's season-ending Achilles' injury, it is getting harder for the Eagles to credibly contend they will be Super Bowl contenders with or without Owens.
But unofficially, it sure seems something has to change in the dynamic of this relationship for it to continue. Reid has been proud of his team's ability to not be affected by huge distractions in recent years, but this has the potential to go way beyond anything his team has faced.
After the Comcast interview, Owens was asked in a group interview if the relationship was becoming too bitter for him to continue with the team.
"No comment," he said.
One Eagles player said last night that defensive players mostly didn't know anything about the problem when the team gathered for dinner last night. Then their cell phones started going off, with friends around the league wanting to know what had happened. The defenders sought out some teammates on offense, who filled them in, though no one had many details.
The player said he wasn't at all surprised that someone who spoke back to Reid would be sent home for a week.
"Nobody second-guesses or says anything [back] to coach Reid," the player said.
Owens' view apparently is that as long as he practices and plays hard, he'll decide how he interacts with Reid, Childress, or teammates he doesn't like or trust.
"It was just a difference of opinion," Owens said in the Comcast interview. "I was defending myself."
Owens also said in that Comcast interview: "I think some people are kind of ticked off because I haven't really said too much, but they don't pay me to go in there and talk to everybody and be friendly to everybody. They pay me to play and they pay me to perform. So that's what I've been going in there and doing. When I haven't been outside signing autographs, it's because I've been on the inside rehabbing my groin, and that's what happened today. Not to go into further detail about the altercation, but that's the extent of it."
Both Owens and Etheredge insisted yesterday that Owens' return from a broken fibula to play in the Super Bowl was sparked by his regard for his fans, that he meant no disrespect by not signing autographs at Lehigh.
There were reports that yesterday's flashpoint actually was the workout Owens held on a Lehigh field with assistant athletic trainer Chris Peduzzi, as Owens sat out practice with a groin strain for the fifth time in 6 days. Owens ran and pivoted and seemed very close to being healthy. He even made a joke within earshot of reporters, murmuring, "lousy quarterback" when a sideline pass from Peduzzi - a former Virginia Tech linebacker - was overthrown.
Speculation around the team held that Reid wasn't pleased to see Owens looking spry in a solo workout when he couldn't practice with the team, but a source close to the situation said the workout was not an issue.
"I've had fun at camp," Owens told Comcast. "I may not look like it at times, but like I said, it's all business with me. When I'm on the field, I perform, I practice hard, and that's what they ask of me... and that's what I've done.''
i was just gonna post that...sal-pal was talking about it on espn radio this morning. what a punk.
They were talking about the Owens to Childress exchange on WIP this morning, and using that as an example of the petulant and childish manner in which Owens has conducted himself throughout camp...and that Owens showing up Reid during his solitary practice yesterday morning and then challenging Reid in front of the team in a meeting yesterday leading to his suspension was just the final straw. Basically, TO has been needling Management and the Coaching staff in front of the rest of the team since he arrived.
If true, those types of actions cannot be tolerated on a football team, at any level...Childress isn't a ball boy, he's the fargin offensive coordinator.
PG has said she believes this can be worked out, and I hope she's right because they sorely need his talent (just not his head and mouth). But, I'm starting to move back to the "doubtful" camp, after this blow-up and the childish way in which TO conducted himself after his suspension.
Didn't look like a remorseful man doing sit-ups in his driveway for the benefit of the media yesterday...and, this is far worse than Reid and Trotter's blow-up, because it's all happened in the slobbering eye of the media. Reid would have to swallow a lot of pride to take him back, far more than he did with Jeremiah. TO may not have any other options, but Reid and the Eagles do...just coming back ain't going to be enough for TO going forward, he's going to have to be a bit repentant and I don't think he has it in him.
The Childress incident coupled with Domowitch's article have swayed my opinion of this. And several reporters have said that the players on this team are sick of him. Not all, but enough of the "veteran players" to make me think that maybe cutting the fat wouldn't be such a bad idea.
I hope Rosenhaus or someone can tell him that he's farging himself seriously. But I don't know if anyone on this planet other than his momma can do that.
QuotePaul Domowitch | BIRDS NOT DOOMED WITHOUT T.O.
MAYBE Terrell Owens will serve his 7-day suspension, realize the error of his ways, and return to the Eagles with a new, upbeat, there's-no-I-in-team attitude.
And maybe Kim Jong-il will give George Bush a buzz and tell him North Korea is dismantling its nuclear weapons program, and, hey Dubya, why don't you stop by the palace for a drink next time you're in Pyongyang?
Unless Drew Rosenhaus or somebody else in his post card-small inner circle can convince Owens that he's committing career suicide with his unwinnable war against Andy Reid and the Eagles, the Pro Bowl wide receiver probably has played his last game for the Birds.
And while most of you probably are pleased that Big Red put this fruit-loop egomaniac in his place yesterday, you're probably also wondering whether a team that already has lost one starting wide receiver for the season (Todd Pinkston) possibly can make it back to the Super Bowl if Owens doesn't play this season.
Right now, in a T.O.-less world, the Eagles' top three wideouts are Greg Lewis, Billy McMullen and rookie Reggie Brown, who collectively have 27 regular-season NFL receptions. Their fourth and fifth receivers are, well, we won't even go there.
Eagles fans being Eagles fans, concern will turn to panic Monday night the first time the offense goes three-and-out against the Steelers. WIP's phone lines will be jammed Tuesday morning with people calling from the railing of the Walt Whitman Bridge, pleading with the Eagles to do something, anything, to beef up their receiving corps.
• "I'm tellin' ya, we need to make a freaking trade right now. My buddy, who used to live a couple of blocks over from Tom Modrak, told me Buffalo's real hot for our fat-butt holdout defensive tackle and would be willing to swap Eric Moulds for him.''
• "A guy I work with has a buddy whose mailman went to Roman Catholic with Marvin Harrison, and he says the kid wants to come home to Philly in the worst way. Give the Colts T.O. and throw in Hugh Douglas and they won't be able to say no.''
• "I read on the Internet that Javon Walker took a swing at Brett Favre in the locker room the other day and has demanded a trade if the Packers don't give him a new contract. Let's give them our unhappy Drew Rosenhaus client for theirs.''
I hate to bust your bubble, but the chances of the Eagles being able to make a trade for a top-of-the-line wide receiver right now is practically nil. This is the NFL, not baseball. Blockbuster trades are few and far between. And when they do happen, it's usually in March or April, not mid-August.
Right now, NFL teams are focused on evaluating their own talent and aren't interested in wheeling and dealing.
Sign a free agent? Well, as Joe Namath was fond of saying when he would walk out of a bar at closing time with a woman who wasn't up to his usual standards, "It's 2 a.m. and Miss America just ain't gonna be comin' in.''
The two best wide receivers without a home at the moment are Curtis Conway and Tai Streets. Conway is 34 and running on empty. Averaged just 10.6 yards per catch for the 49ers last year. Streets, who played for Eagles assistant head coach Marty Mornhinweg in San Francisco, is a possibility. But he's a No. 3 or 4 receiver. He's not going to make you forget Owens, or even, gulp, Pinkston.
If Owens' suspension turns into a seasonlong dishonorable discharge, the Eagles eventually will do something. Maybe they'll sign Streets or maybe they'll wait until early next month and see what shakes out when teams make their roster cuts. Or maybe Reid will get on the phone and call a pal of his, like the Ravens' Brian Billick, who is flush with wide-receiving talent these days after signing Derrick Mason and drafting Mark Clayton, and make a minor deal for a decent backup like Randy Hymes or Pat Johnson. But that's about it.
The point I'm trying to make is that if you're holding out hope the Eagles are going to acquire somebody of a similar pedigree to Owens between now and the Sept. 12 opener against the Falcons, forget it.
Not going to happen.
Does that mean all is lost?
Absolutely not. With or without Owens, the Eagles probably still are the best team in the NFC. The gap just isn't as great without him.
Keep in mind that 5 years ago, the Eagles won 11 games with Torrance Small and Charles Johnson as their starting wide receivers and a ground game that didn't have a running back with more than 344 rushing yards.
Keep in mind that the Eagles went to three NFC Championship Games with Pinkston and James Thrash as their starting wideouts.
If Owens doesn't play this season, Reid and offensive coordinator Brad Childress simply will shift the focus of their offense and play to the strengths of the personnel they have available.
That means flexing out running back Brian Westbrook even more than they have been and giving the kid a chance to prove he really does have 20-touch-a-game durability. That means maximizing tight end L.J. Smith in the passing game. That means encouraging Donovan McNabb to run a little more than the career-low 41 times he took off last year.
And that means keeping their fingers crossed that Lewis will continue to improve and Brown won't play like a deer-in-headlights rookie.
These are the exact reasons why I do not think the end of the world is upon us Eagle fans should something happen and TO is no longer an Eagle.
This team has other options. They have a coaching staff who knows how to use its talent. They have a more mature Donovan McNabb, in his 7th season now. They have a nasty-ass defense. They have a top-of-the-line special teams unit.
Michael Clayton had a great year last year. Is it too much to think Brown could duplicate or surpass the 80 catches 1,193 yards and 7 TDs? Probably. But if he can contribute on a zesty ass team, why can't Brown do it on a good team?
Why can't Greg Lewis step up? AJ Feeley stepped up three years ago.
Remember our thoughts after we lost the NFCCG to Carolina? How many of us said "If only Brian Westbrook was healthy...." A ton of us said that.
I'm not a dumbass and I know TO's presence on this team makes them a much better team. But the thought that this team is doomed sans TO is crazy. I am convinced that with the reasons I stated coupled with Domo's that they are not done.
Viewing this as an outsider, it may be worth noting the one visible bright side of this incident: the positively Belichickian resolve of Andy Reid and his staff. One of the main sources of the gobs of man love that Belichick receives is his determination to make sure no one player is above the team. It would have been easy for Reid to appease T.O. in order to keep his star receiver happy. Had he done so, he probably could have justified it for the good of the team, but it would have sent such a terrible message. Good for him for standing up to his player.
Phreak, you're letting a guy like Domowich sway your thoughts? Shame on you.
What more can we honestly all do other than sit back and wait for next Wednesday to see what happens?
farg TO. Period.
i'm in the camp of douse TO in kerosene and light him on fire.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 09:00:04 AM
Phreak, you're letting a guy like Domowich sway your thoughts? Shame on you.
What more can we honestly all do other than sit back and wait for next Wednesday to see what happens?
I actually like Domo. I thnk he's one of the better writers in this city. Not as good as Reuben Frank, but I like him. And those things he highlighted are not too far fetched. Plus:
1. A more mature McNabb
2. Nasty-ass defense
3. great STs
4. Westbrook
My opinion is changing...
GCobb reporting that one of the players wanted to FIGHT TO....speculating that it was Hugh who wanted to throw down with him. :o
In addition to GCobb reporting that someone wanted to bust TO's ass, he said Reid spent 10 minutes talking to Morningwood this morning. Marty was supposed to be TO's babysitter...
hugh is now a company man in TO's mind, wouldn't surprise me at all.
That Hugh thing was from last week.
But I know the things the Domo said, I just don't really care. Yes, we got to the NFCCG without a top 3 WR all of those years, but we didn't win and the WRs were the reasons why. Yes, we won without TO last year, but we had 2 WRs who had played in the system for years and knew it well enough to be serviceable. I dont' think Lewis/Brown/McMullen can do that. Sorry, I just don't. Even with what we have around them, sorry....those 3 as our WRs for the season won't cut it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 09:06:57 AM
That Hugh thing was from last week.
But I know the things the Domo said, I just don't really care. Yes, we got to the NFCCG without a top 3 WR all of those years, but we didn't win and the WRs were the reasons why. Yes, we won without TO last year, but we had 2 WRs who had played in the system for years and knew it well enough to be serviceable. I dont' think Lewis/Brown/McMullen can do that. Sorry, I just don't. Even with what we have around them, sorry....those 3 as our WRs for the season won't cut it.
I know the Hugh incident was from last week, but he is reporting that the fight thing came out recently. He didn't say it was Hugh but the radio peeps were speculating it was him.
If TO is Keyshawn'd they'll pick up a veteran WR, I'm sure of that. And a veteran WR/Lewis/Brown/McMullen...combined with the 4 reason I gave I think are enough.
Who was David Patten, Bethel Johnson, Deion Branch and the other guys in NE before they won?
Again, I don't think he'll suspend him past this week. I am telling you now, his mama is going to (if she hasn't already) give him an earful. They won't pay him to sit.
If they won't pay him to sit or release him or trade him what are they going to do if the situation within the team is as bad as being reported?
If he comes in here and acts like an ass again, what do you thik they'll do? Do you think Reid will sit back and let TO ruin his team and what he's built? That wouldn't be fair to the other 52 guys on the team and it would cause Reid to lose this team, IMO.
If he comes back after Wednesday and acts a fool again, he will be suspended. They will pay him to sit just like TB did with Keyshawn. They'll put him on one of the lists they have at their disposal and go get another WR.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2005, 09:15:30 AM
If they won't pay him to sit or release him or trade him what are they going to do if the situation within the team is as bad as being reported?
If he comes in here and acts like an ass again, what do you thik they'll do? Do you think Reid will sit back and let TO ruin his team and what he's built? That wouldn't be fair to the other 52 guys on the team and it would cause Reid to lose this team, IMO.
If he comes back after Wednesday and acts a fool again, he will be suspended. They will pay him to sit just like TB did with Keyshawn. They'll put him on one of the lists they have at their disposal and go get another WR.
That I agree with, but like I said, I don't think he'll come back like an ass. Both his idiot agent and his mother (and anyone else down south that cares about him) will be telling him that he is committing career suicide. Its not like he's 26 years old and he can pick up with another team in a year or 2....they know that, he will too.
PG,
You're assuming that T.O. will come to his senses and act rationally. My question is, when has he ever acted rationally in the past?
I mean, the guy is not only a loose cannon, I really think he is mentally disturbed. IMO, by assuming that anyone - Rosenhaus, his Mama, his Pastor - anyone can talk sense to him and get him to see the situation for what it truly is, is a stretch on your part.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 11, 2005, 09:20:48 AM
PG,
You're assuming that T.O. will come to his senses and act rationally. My question is, when has he ever acted rationally in the past?
I mean, the guy is not only a loose cannon, I really think he is mentally disturbed. IMO, by assuming that anyone - Rosenhaus, his Mama, his Pastor - anyone can talk sense to him and get him to see the situation for what it truly is, is a stretch on your part.
I think his mother is the only one who can. Not Rosenpuke...I just threw his name out there because he'll be in his ear about it too. But I think his mother putting all of this into perspective (you won't make ANY money for your family) will get him back here and acting somewhat rational.
This is definitely different than when Freddie was told to stay home... As sick as I am with TO, I don't think this is the end - yet.
My theory is that the "week" point was carefully calculated - go away until we are having practices closed to the press. If you want to wander around an sulk, you are going to have to do it where noone else can watch. If the press wants to live at TO's house, then there will be less distractions for the team.
For my part, I think the Eagles should eat the money and end his farging career. Let him sit on the bench for 7 years.
C
I hold out hope, even if those hopes are fleeting.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 08:26:02 AM...and will NOT be traded (fact).
sorry, thats not a fact.
TO has not been traded, yet. that is a fact.
Saying he wont be traded or released is speculation.
I hold out fleeting hope too, but I keep picturing TO torching this bridge, and then gleefully doing crunches at the foot of it while it burns.
The one thing Eagles management will not (and cannot) tolerate is being made fool of by a player for all the world to see. That's why I don't know if it can be repaired at this point...I think it's going to take more than just coming back to camp and keeping his public mouth shut this time around, as he's already scorched that path in the past two weeks. He's going to need to make some type of public gesture towards management to patch this up in the next three weeks, and I can't imagine him doing that.
Wow, cancer is right. This is so disappointing. I'm about on the edge with his attitude. Borderline hate now. :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
TO is not a cancer. He's a brain aneurism.
Jeez, I just spent the last hour at work reading this thread. Soo much crap. Im pissed off.
I blame everything on Rosenhaus.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 09:23:59 AM
I think his mother is the only one who can. Not Rosenpuke...I just threw his name out there because he'll be in his ear about it too. But I think his mother putting all of this into perspective (you won't make ANY money for your family) will get him back here and acting somewhat rational.
Oh thank god. I knew Mrs. Owens would settle this whole situation. Thanks for the info.
I think everyone needs a week off... :P
Quote from: phattymatty on August 11, 2005, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 09:23:59 AM
I think his mother is the only one who can. Not Rosenpuke...I just threw his name out there because he'll be in his ear about it too. But I think his mother putting all of this into perspective (you won't make ANY money for your family) will get him back here and acting somewhat rational.
Oh thank god. I knew Mrs. Owens would settle this whole situation. Thanks for the info.
Just curious, did you read his book? Not saying that that's the basis of my thought process here, but it did add to it.
hahaha @ the book...that book is the biggest crock of shtein ever put to paper
You're assuming that T.O. will come to his senses and act rationally. My question is, when has he ever acted rationally in the past?
exactly...dook is an egomaniacal self bastich of a head case and will never change...everyone knew this from day last year...and now its even more clear...how anyone can think hes gonna come back and not act like hes acted for the last ten years is ignoring the most obvious
I have to admit that I bought and read that book. And I swallowed the nonsense with only a small grain of salt. But when Owens fired Joseph and hired Rosenhaus...I pretty much assumed that either the stuff in the book was total crap or else he'd just gone off the deep end.
Just how far off the deep end was displayed by that little circus in Owens' front yard yesterday. :-D
if TO never plays another game with the eagles, do you think he was worth it?
If you think he's crazy now, wait until his grandmother passes away. The more she breaks down physically and mentally, the more he breaks down emotionally....
Was he worth it? Hell yeah. Last year was the best season since 1960...
I am only referencing the book for the stuff about his FAMILY.
Quote from: mhunt on August 11, 2005, 10:35:12 AM
if TO never plays another game with the eagles, do you think he was worth it?
Too soon to tell, IMO...have to see where the team goes from here, if he's gone.
Ed, that's a good point I hadn't considered, RE: TO's grandmother.
CSN played "the best of TO" from his lawn antics yesterday. Frankly, besides the nonsense that put him in that sitation, I thought it was hilarious. He was doing military dumbell press in his front yard while some reporters were counting his reps and he was answering the question of another. Thats some Napolean Dynamite shtein.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 10:27:06 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on August 11, 2005, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 09:23:59 AM
I think his mother is the only one who can. Not Rosenpuke...I just threw his name out there because he'll be in his ear about it too. But I think his mother putting all of this into perspective (you won't make ANY money for your family) will get him back here and acting somewhat rational.
Oh thank god. I knew Mrs. Owens would settle this whole situation. Thanks for the info.
Just curious, did you read his book? Not saying that that's the basis of my thought process here, but it did add to it.
doesnt that crock of shtein book go on about how David Joseph was like the brother he never had, and is considered family.
i dont know how anyone can ever beleive a word this joker says at this point.
::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 10:36:09 AM
I am only referencing the book for the stuff about his FAMILY.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 10:51:53 AM
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 10:36:09 AM
I am only referencing the book for the stuff about his FAMILY.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 11, 2005, 10:51:29 AM
doesnt that crock of shtein book go on about how David Joseph was like the brother he never had, and is considered family.
::)
hmmm...Reid said in his press conference that he allowed TO outside to go work out... ???
"that workout was scheduled... part of rehab... had nothing to do with it"
WTF??!!
So, did he bother to elaborate what did have to do with it??
Spadaro once again said that he will not be traded or cut. So to stop thinking up those scenarios.
If you guys don't find this entertaining you are all nuts! With all the crap going on when it comes to crunch time Owens, McNabb and Andy will all get along in the name of winning a championship.
Owens loves the spotlight and will act outrageous, much like Dennis Rodman. Did Rodman win championships and lead the league in rebounding by a large margin? This is all fun. Just sit back and laugh.
traded or cut does not = suspended
Didn't Spadaro also say last season Owens was an impossibility ?
He's in the dark as much as we are. :-D
If Spads said it, it must be true.
Quote from: Larry on August 11, 2005, 11:09:41 AM
Didn't Spadaro also say last season Owens was an impossibility ?
He's in the dark as much as we are. :-D
He's not the only one saying this. Its an impossibility to do either.
exactly right
which is why YOU should have said he wont be cut or traded...by prefacing the comment with 'spadaro said it' does not give it more credibility and might even give it less
Quote from: stillupfront on August 11, 2005, 11:04:09 AM
If you guys don't find this entertaining you are all nuts! With all the crap going on when it comes to crunch time Owens, McNabb and Andy will all get along in the name of winning a championship.
Owens loves the spotlight and will act outrageous, much like Dennis Rodman. Did Rodman win championships and lead the league in rebounding by a large margin? This is all fun. Just sit back and laugh.
That's my attitude with all of this....
Quote from Reid:
"I'll work it out with T.O."
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 11, 2005, 11:22:13 AM
That's my attitude with all of this....
As MURP mentioned earlier, we were watching a "recap" of yesterday on CSN sportsrise and we were laughing our asses off.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 11, 2005, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from Reid:
"I'll work it out with T.O."
Full article:
QuoteREID: I'LL WORK IT OUT WITH T.O.
August 11, 2005
By DAVE SPADARO
BETHLEHEM, Pa. -- Following Thursday morning's practice, head coach Andy Reid said that he did send home wide receiver Terrell Owens until next Wednesday, August 17th.
Reid said that it was an "in-house" dispute that led to Owens being sent home.
"I did send him home. He's expected to return next Wednesday," Reid said. "It's in-house business and it's going to stay in-house. I'll work it out with T.O. I'm not going to sit here and turn it into a bash session."
Owens had missed five practices in the last six days with an inflammed groin muscle. Owens did do some light running and catching with trainer Chris Peduzzi on a separate practice field Wednesday morning.
Reid said that he "OK'd" the workout, but Owens was still a day or two from returning to practice.
Owens camp into camp unhappy with the seven-year, $49 million dollar contract signed last year. Reid said Thursday that he has not scheduled a meeting with Owens' agent Drew Rosenhaus and simply expects Owens to return to the team next Wednesday.
As for Owens' future with the Eagles, Reid gave the we'll wait-and-see approach.
"I'm not going to go into that right now," Reid said. "We'll see how time goes on."
Try to see it my way,
Do I have to keep on talking till I can't go on?
While you see it your way,
Run the risk of knowing that our love may soon be gone.
We can work it out,
We can work it out.
Think of what you're saying.
You can get it wrong and still you think that it's alright.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out and get it straight, or say good night.
We can work it out,
We can work it out.
Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend.
I have always thought that it's a crime,
So I will ask you once again.
Try to see it my way,
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong.
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long.
We can work it out,
We can work it out.
Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend.
I have always thought that it's a crime,
So I will ask you once again.
Try to see it my way,
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong.
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long.
We can work it out,
We can work it out.
I don't think that anyone really thinks that we will trade or cut TO. I don't think it would make a lot of sense to have it pound our cap the way it would. What I'm saying is that I want him off the team. I don't think it will happen. I don't think it will improve the offense. I don't think it will help the salary cap. I just want him gone. I love the teams that Andy Reid has put together and for this self-obsessed douche guzzler to come in and cause a stir makes my farging blood boil. I don't want to see him on the field I don't want to see him on the news I want him farging gone.
There's no cap issues with TO. In fact, I believe we gain cap space if he's not on the team.
I hoping Peerless gets cut soon...
Quote from: Larry on August 11, 2005, 11:41:33 AM
There's no cap issues with TO. In fact, I believe we gain cap space if he's not on the team.
Good then farging cut him.
Thank god. We've all finally run out of shtein to say about this.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 11, 2005, 12:28:53 PM
Thank god. We've all finally run out of shtein to say about this.
Nuh uh.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 11, 2005, 12:28:53 PM
Thank god. We've all finally run out of shtein to say about this.
bullshtein!
if the unthinkable happens (or even if it doesn't), what free agent wr do you want (if any)???
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3692474
QuoteWide Receivers
Player 2004 Team
Koren Robinson Seahawks
Curtis Conway 49ers
Tai Streets Lions
Bobby Shaw Chargers
J.J. Moses Texans
NOTES
Koren Robinson is a skillful athlete, but runs bad routes and drops a lot of passes. He also has had a lot of off-field issues and is very immature. Curtis Conway has been an adequate stopgap the past two seasons for teams that lost their best receiver. He still has value outside the hashmarks. Tai Streets can be very effective at times, but has durability problems. When healthy, Streets can stretch the field vertically as a complementary receiver. J.J. Moses has no value as a wide receiver. He's strictly a return specialist. In that role, Moses is very reliable, but lacks the speed to make himself a scoring threat.
I hate you guys. [/cartman]
I think that the Eagles need to get another quality WR in here for the "What If" factor. What if TO goes off during the season? What if TO walks out the 5th week? Any what if scenario. We might as well get one now just in case.
LOL. Can you imagine Reid bringing in Koren Robinson?
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 11, 2005, 12:54:51 PM
LOL. Can you imagine Reid bringing in Koren Robinson?
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
no
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 11, 2005, 12:54:51 PM
LOL. Can you imagine Reid bringing in Terrell Owens?
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Rewind 15 months...
Quote from: rjs246 on August 11, 2005, 12:56:52 PM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 11, 2005, 12:54:51 PM
LOL. Can you imagine Reid bringing in Terrell Owens?
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Rewind 15 months...
And seeing how well that is working out...do you think he'd risk it with a guy who isn't even a good WR let alone a great one?
Koren might even be in rehab and not available to play.
i decided i dont want any players. none at all. cut all of them.
i want the season to be the head coaches picking plays on madden 06 and having it televised.
I don't think Robinson, an alkie who drops more balls than Pinkston did, would solve any of our problems.
McMullen is the Eagles' designated ball-dropper...and his roster spot is taken. :paranoid
I think it's time Andy bites the bullet and gives Na Brown a holla...
FYI, Rosenhau$ is Warrick's agent, too... :boom
TO admits the confrontation with Childress, says Childress started it (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/12358401.htm) :-D
QuoteBy Pete Prisco
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Let me preface this by saying I like Terrell Owens.
That said, he has been in the wrong a lot lately.
Owens was wrong to demand a new contract from the Philadelphia Eagles one year after getting a one last spring.
Owens was wrong to publicly rip quarterback Donovan McNabb for getting winded and puking late in last February's Super Bowl -- even if what he said was true.
Owens was wrong to sit out the Eagles' offseason work.
Now it appears the tension rubber band between the Eagles and Owens, one that had been stretched as far as it could go, has finally snapped.
T.O. has gone home.
Word is out that the Eagles sent him there, angered over his refusal to take part in an autograph session Sunday with the rest of the receivers.
That is a no-no in the NFL. When players start getting preferential treatment of any kind, it causes discourse in the locker room. Andy Reid couldn't let Owens get away with it.
Consistency is a coaching necessity. Not all coaches adhere to that, but if you want your players behind you, you can't play favorites.
Reid is to be saluted if Owens' refusal to take part in the team function prompted the reported heated exchange that led to Owens leaving. Reid, who doesn't seem to let any outside influences bother him, won't let T.O. ruin his team's chances to get back to a Super Bowl.
No word on how long the list was of Eagles players volunteering to drive him out of town.
Do the Eagles need Owens? On the field, you bet. And that's why they had been so patient until Wednesday. Even as he sat out with a groin injury -- some speculated it was a result of not receiving a new contract -- the Eagles were patient. Reid even defended the receiver last week to clear up any misconception about the injury. It was real, the Eagles said.
Owens is a sensational player. And, truth be known, he's a pretty good guy. He's also a tireless worker when it comes to staying in shape, so even missing the offseason work is not that big a deal.
But he does things his way, and that doesn't always sit well with people.
Nobody is above the team, no matter how well you play, no matter how important you think you are to the team.
Owens' relationship with McNabb is strained to the point they don't talk anymore. Sixteen months ago, they were spending their days together after the Eagles traded for Owens, a happy-go-lucky set of newlyweds.
Move over Brad and Jen. The T.O.-McNabb divorce is the hottest one going.
When I visited Owens last fall, he seemed to be bonding with his new teammates, playing cards in a back room with young players who seemed to gravitate to him.
At this year's training camp, word is he was alone a lot. And that's not because of his money demands. Players stay out of that. It was the comments about McNabb that had to turn the Eagles players against Owens, since he violated NFL Commandment No. 1: Thou shalt not call out a teammate in the media.
It will be interesting to see how superstar agent Drew Rosenhaus, who has an honorary spot in the ESPN Hall of Fame, will spin this latest development. Rosenhaus took on Owens as a client this year and promised to push forward for a new contract. Of course, Rosenhaus doesn't get any money from anything he does with T.O. unless he gets a new deal.
So he pushed hard. And the Eagles wisely didn't budge, causing all the trouble.
Yet when Owens reported to camp, it appeared all the tension was gone. Of course, nobody expected it to stay that way.
Owens will be back. He's smart enough to not leave money sitting on the table.
The Eagles will take him back. They're smart enough to know they can't win a Super Bowl with Greg Lewis as their top receiver.
The two sides will reconcile. There will be smiles. They'll be talk about no hard feelings. And there will be touchdowns scored and games won.
But the big question is whether Owens can right all of his wrongs and win back the love of his teammates and Reid.
He sure has a lot of work to do.
I think Prisco is right :paranoid It's too much of a fiasco at this point to try to analyze it. I wish everyone would shut up about it and see what happens against Atlanta. T.O will be on the field, and if he is happy, I won't give a shtein, if he is unhappy, I won't give a shtein.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 11, 2005, 01:32:20 PM
FYI, Rosenhau$ is Warrick's agent, too... :boom
TO admits the confrontation with Childress, says Childress started it (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/12358401.htm) :-D
Can you post the article? I am too lazy to register, and therefore place the burden on you to get me my infomation.
QuoteT.O. admits run-in with Childress; Reid says he'll 'work it out'
By Keith Pompey
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Terrell Owens today acknowledged today that in addition to his argument with coach Andy Reid yesterday, he also had a verbal exchange with offensive coordinator Brad Childress this week.
Owens emerged from his Moorestown home about 12:15 today and was met by reporters.
When asked about reports that he also had words with Childress Tuesday, Owens said it was true. When asked if he told Childress not to speak to him unless Owens spoke to him first, Owens said, "Exactly. I did say that, I am an honest person. I did say that."
He said that Childress "he was antagonizing me. He was not talking to me in a business setting."
"I don't have to talk to everybody personally. I don't have to like everybody personally. All they do is pay me to go in there and practice and do my job - go to meetings, treatment and that's what I have done."
Owens, his agent Drew Rosenhaus and two other men got into two cars and left the property. Rosenhaus rode with his brother in the agent's gold Trailblazer LS; Owens was in his green truck with an unidentified man.
Rosenhaus had arrived at Owens' home about 10:54 a.m. this morning and went inside for a chat. As he exited his SUV, Rosenhaus was immediately surrounded by reporters.
There was "nothing to report this morning, check back with us later today. There's really nothing to report," he said.
Since April, Owens has been trying to renegotiate his seven-year, $49 million contract with the Eagles. He arrived unhappy at training camp at Lehigh University on Aug. 1, and yesterday he was dismissed after an argument with Reid.
Owens was given a one-week suspension and told to return next Wednesday.
Following morning practice at camp today, Reid said that he dismissed Owens over what the coach called an "in-house" dispute.
"I did send him home. He's expected to return next Wednesday," Reid said. "It's in-house business and it's going to stay in-house. I'll work it out with T.O. I'm not going to sit here and turn it into a bash session."
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Quote from: BigEd76 on August 11, 2005, 01:43:06 PM
When asked about reports that he also had words with Childress Tuesday, Owens said it was true. When asked if he told Childress not to speak to him unless Owens spoke to him first, Owens said, "Exactly. I did say that, I am an honest person. I did say that."
He said that Childress "he was antagonizing me. He was not talking to me in a business setting."
Is this yet another twist on "You had me at 'Hello'?"
any Eagles news lately?
The Eagles should demand one of T.O.'s testicles as collateral for the season.
Eskin is going to have Hugh on today to comment on TO. This should be interesting.
Is he actually going to say anything?
At his first practice back AR should organize a game of smear the queer. And TO should be the queer. All time queer. No tag-backs.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 11, 2005, 03:10:26 PM
Is he actually going to say anything?
Eskin said Hugh hates TO & may crack after Eskin prods him a bit.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 11, 2005, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 11, 2005, 03:10:26 PM
Is he actually going to say anything?
Eskin said Hugh hates TO & may crack after Eskins prods him a bit.
This is what Eskin wishes. But Hugh won't help himself with any of the coaches if he starts turning this into a bash fest, like AR wants to stay away from.
i agree
TO is gone and everyone needs to move on...the sooner the better
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:16:34 PM
i agree
TO is gone and everyone needs to move on...the sooner the better
I think you need to realize that there is a better than good chance that he'll be there for week one. Sorry to break it to you.
negative on that chief
ill be shocked if andy takes him back...that wouldnt be him...in fact it would be the opposite of him...TO rips him and his prodigal son childress and andy just lets him roll back in...i cant see it
90-10 hes gone for good
the 10=if by some sort of miracle TO does a behavioral 180 in the next week
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 11, 2005, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 11, 2005, 01:43:06 PM
When asked about reports that he also had words with Childress Tuesday, Owens said it was true. When asked if he told Childress not to speak to him unless Owens spoke to him first, Owens said, "Exactly. I did say that, I am an honest person. I did say that."
He said that Childress "he was antagonizing me. He was not talking to me in a business setting."
Is this yet another twist on "You had me at 'Hello'?"
I'm thinking "yes." I'm pretty sure Childress just asked how he was doing or some small talk comment and TO took it and ran with it. Just that small little personal comment, that was not related to football, set TO off.
It seems like he had this plan from the beginning. To go into camp and do the bare minimum off the field...and to only perform and be a professional when he is on the field. Too bad he's so childish and doesn't realize that he has to be a professional on and off the field, and that should include his general attitude.
I agree with PG that the Eagles need Owens to win the super bowl. That said, if they don't have him, I think they will go with who they have (Lewis, McMullen, Brown and Jenkins).
Can you be any more childish than TO? Unreal.
He's going to do more workouts today outside. Probably another brilliant Freddie idea.
Does anyone have his book Catch This? If you do burn them and drive by and toss them on his lawn.
Quote from: Philly_Crew on August 11, 2005, 03:24:25 PM
I agree with PG that the Eagles need Owens to win the super bowl. That said, if they don't have him, I think they will go with who they have (Lewis, McMullen, Brown and Jenkins).
I dont' think they will stick with them, even WHEN TO comes back. McMullen is proving to be worthless. How many chances can this guy get to show he can catch the ball? They will have to get another vet WR in here, even with TO, IMO.
Where can I pick up the farging WIP stream at? :boom
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:22:06 PM
negative on that chief
ill be shocked if andy takes him back...that wouldnt be him...in fact it would be the opposite of him...TO rips him and his prodigal son childress and andy just lets him roll back in...i cant see it
90-10 hes gone for good
the 10=if by some sort of miracle TO does a behavioral 180 in the next week
You're giving 9-1 odds that TO will play in Week 1? I'll sign up for that with $10......
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 11, 2005, 03:25:55 PM
Where can I pick up the farging WIP stream at? :boom
Comin' at ya live....straight from the depths of hell.
http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/playlists/610wip/610wipWIPAM.asx
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 11, 2005, 03:25:55 PM
Where can I pick up the farging WIP stream at? :boom
www.610wip.com
Eskin on now >:(
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 11, 2005, 03:27:47 PM
http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/playlists/610wip/610wipWIPAM.asx
Thanks much.
Smear the Queer will solve this all.
i hate sports
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 11, 2005, 03:25:02 PM
Can you be any more childish than TO? Unreal.
Does anyone have his book Catch This? If you do burn them and drive by and toss them on his lawn.
Wow, that's a pretty pot, kettle, black moment right there. :-D
You're giving 9-1 odds that TO will play in Week 1? I'll sign up for that with $10
he will NOT play in week one or any other week
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:31:52 PM
You're giving 9-1 odds that TO will play in Week 1? I'll sign up for that with $10
he will NOT play in week one or any other week
:-o
For the love of shtein can we stop talking about this?
No. It's either this or we figure out why I'm a poker blogger.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 03:25:31 PM
I dont' think they will stick with them, even WHEN TO comes back. McMullen is proving to be worthless. How many chances can this guy get to show he can catch the ball? They will have to get another vet WR in here, even with TO, IMO.
And what kind of receiver do you propose they pick up that will have any impact at all?
Quote from: General_Failure on August 11, 2005, 03:35:31 PM
No. It's either this or we figure out why I'm a poker blogger.
for the same reason as this whole thread
Money.
T...............O...............
T.O. T.O. T.O..............
T.O........ T.O..............
(Everybody sing!)
:deion
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:31:52 PM
You're giving 9-1 odds that TO will play in Week 1? I'll sign up for that with $10
he will NOT play in week one or any other week
boryla? :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 11, 2005, 03:35:31 PM
No. It's either this or we figure out why I'm a poker blogger.
for the same reason as this whole thread
Money.
What's funny is with the deal I got I really can't afford to feed my family.
why is it so hard to believe hes gone
andy cannot take this guy back and hold any credibility with anyone...not to mention the god complex inside him wants so badly to succeed without TO
and its not even like andy can have a meeting with TO at this point to get some guarantees that he wont act up again because because anything TO were to say could not be trusted
and can you imagine the embarrassment for andy were he to bring him back and TO do this again
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:43:56 PM
why is it so hard to believe hes gone
lol, why are you so obsessed with it? As of right now, TO is still on the Eagles roster. Until Andy Reid announces the Eagles have cut/traded/whatever TO your point has no validity.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:31:52 PM
You're giving 9-1 odds that TO will play in Week 1? I'll sign up for that with $10
he will NOT play in week one or any other week
And I'm saying he will. $10. And give me that 9-1 you so boldly put out there.......
He took Trot back, didnt he?
King Putz interviewing Ritchie as we type.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:43:56 PM
why is it so hard to believe hes gone
andy cannot take this guy back and hold any credibility with anyone...not to mention the god complex inside him wants so badly to succeed without TO
and its not even like andy can have a meeting with TO at this point to get some guarantees that he wont act up again because because anything TO were to say could not be trusted
and can you imagine the embarrassment for andy were he to bring him back and TO do this again
You need to let your Reid-hatred go, as it sometimes clouds some good points you make.
I'll think he'll be back but TO will seal his fate after not too long & be suspended.
For rjs...
QuoteUpdated: Aug. 11, 2005, 3:16 PM ET
Owens needs an audience for his show
By Ray Ratto
Not even a few questions can stop his workout
This is so Terrell Owens, a slight modification on the central theme, "I Can Wait You Out Because You Need Me So Much." I mean, the push-ups and shooting hoops in front of the house were a nice touch, but then again, nobody who pays any attention to the subject has ever accused Owens of being tactically inept. He gets what he wants before you get what you want, and the rest is just dinner theater.
We won't be seeing TO in an Eagles uniform any time soon. Or will we?
He did this in San Francisco, where his complaints were about the quality and quantity of his surroundings. He did this in Baltimore, at least for the nanosecond he stayed there. And now, with his Super Bowl performance at his back and Todd Pinkston up on blocks, he is doing it with a flourish in Philadelphia.
Frankly, though, we worry that he might be peaking too early. He is playing the full theatrics card in training camp rather than during the season; in San Francisco his dissatisfaction typically manifested itself during games (short-arming balls and running halfhearted routes) and after them (when he either refused to speak to the media or spoke with great élan about how the team was preventing him from achieving his true greatness).
But this ... this is way too early in the process for the walkout and driveway show. Because, as a strictly tactical matter, you have to have something in reserve for the next outrage committed against you, and at this point, he is down to either playing with his pants down or setting fire to the equipment room.
Now we're not even involving ourselves in the should-he-get-more-money-or-honor-his-contract argument. We're not even touching the Eagles-need-him-or-they-finish-8-8 debate, let alone the Joe-Banner-would-rather-lose-without-him-than-give-in tavern fight.
This is strictly about the quality of Owens' protest, and unless he has choreographed this with a reality TV producer, he might run out of the good stuff before the season even starts.
You see, Owens is an actor, and actors need a stage and a script. He cannot help himself; this is pathological as well as strategic. His ability to get his new deal is largely dependent not upon his talent but upon his ability to irritate the people with the money so much that they will pay him to shut up.
He believes it, and frankly, so do the Eagles. The question on the table, though, is how much the Eagles are willing to be irritated. And for that, Owens needs to be front and center -- because he craves it and because without it, he loses a large part of his leverage.
To be front and center, then, he needs to ratchet up his look-at-me incrementally rather than all at once, and it's incredibly difficult work. Dennis Rodman did it well for a fairly long time (the tattoos, the hair, Michael Jordan at his back, etc.), but once he hit the far edge of Weirdball City, his decline came swiftly and surely.
So it is with Owens, if he isn't careful. He is driving the car here, and he has to keep brushing the guardrail without breaking the car or hurtling into a gully. Because there is a third rail out there somewhere, at which point he loses his allies in the public and becomes just a guy who lost his mind and blew $49 million to become irrelevant (see Rodman in San Antonio, see Rodman with the Lakers).
This is something his agent, Drew (Why, Yes, It Is All About Me, Now That You Ask) Rosenhaus, cannot help Owens with, for Owens listens to his own inner muse when it comes to cranking the boss. Owens has a sense of his own gift here, and he is betting that, as a virtuoso of the irritatory arts, he can make the Eagles pull off their own heads even as they offer him a new deal.
And the Eagles so far are giving every indication that their heads are bolted on with Frankensteinian efficiency.
Which is where we are now -- Owens needing to come up with a new shtick, slightly better than the last one, and soon, because in his world, a week without an ostentatious act is a week that can never be regained. In fact, he might need to return to camp just because that's where the audience is.
I mean, nobody's going to watch him mulching the front lawn and feel the urge for worker solidarity, if you know what we mean, and we think you do.
Ray Ratto of the San Francisco Chronicle is a regular contributor to ESPN.com.
:-D
He took Trot back, didnt he?
apples and oranges
i dont even want to start listing the differences between the two situations
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:54:01 PM
He took Trot back, didnt he?
apples and oranges
i dont even want to start listing the differences between the two situations
you dont need to - I know them all.
my point is trot also had a verbal altercation with AR, and when it came down to football and winning ballgames, both men set aside their differences and got down to business.
i wouldnt call it apples and oranges...macintoshes vs. granny smiths are more like it.
There is no way I'm reading all of that Rome. Also, I hate you.
Jon Ritchie reads Harry Potter, what a fag.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 11, 2005, 04:01:00 PM
Jon Ritchie reads Harry Potter, what a fag.
Jon Ritchie is clearly not a fag.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 11, 2005, 03:48:27 PM
King Putz interviewing Ritchie as we type.
if he's a putz, who do you listen to him?
my point is trot also had a verbal altercation with AR, and when it came down to football and winning ballgames, both men set aside their differences and got down to business.
an isolated one time comment in the heat of the moment cannot in any way be compared to what TO has done imo
the only similarity i suppose would be the second chance scenario...but TO is on at least his third chance already
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on August 11, 2005, 03:46:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2005, 03:31:52 PM
You're giving 9-1 odds that TO will play in Week 1? I'll sign up for that with $10
he will NOT play in week one or any other week
And I'm saying he will. $10. And give me that 9-1 you so boldly put out there.......
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That's what I thought, girly-man....
Ritchie had a mullet so he can't be a fag.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 04:02:30 PM
Jon Ritchie is clearly not a fag.
Did Spadaro tell you that?
This is just getting ridiculous. Who cares? TO can pound sand. IGY can pound sand. You all can pound sand.
Now if someone will tell me what exactly that means I'll be all set.
Has the CF.com homepage been hacked or is it a staged elaborate distraction from the TO circus.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 11, 2005, 04:10:22 PM
Has the CF.com homepage been hacked?
It looks like it has, but if so that is the gayest hack job I've ever seen. farging rimjobber.
My world has been totally ruined by those words going across the front page. It will cost our economy millions. I hope they catch him.
That's what I thought, girly-man....
where did i ever mention money...i simply stated what i thought the odds of him ever playing for the eagles again were
i will bet you an 'i told you so'
damn turkish hackers
Not sure if it's been posted yet but TO is scheduled to speak during halftime of tonights Green Bay v. San Diego game. If y'all would excuse me, I'd like to start getting my popcorn ready.
Anyone who couldn't see a sitiuation like this coming must be blind. I knew something like this would go down, it would have been better if TO hadn't have shown up for camp. Shoot, he hasn't really done any work anyway.
For what it's worth, TO was on ESPN about an hour ago saying he was told to leave camp until Wed. No way of knowing what went on in that meeting, yet. Soon as someone pisses TO off again, he'll tell all. He can't shut up to save his life.
Not sure if it's been posted yet but TO is scheduled to speak during halftime of tonights Green Bay v. San Diego game. If y'all would excuse me, I'd like to start getting my popcorn ready.
is he really???
dont forget your barf bag as well
hes now going all out to get himself released...you think its coincidence that hes going on national TV the same day reid says it will be handled in house
its on now
Andy is on right now saying TO was told to leave until Wed. He also said that this will be handled in house, between him and TO, and only TO.
Quote from: shorebird on August 11, 2005, 04:29:41 PM
Andy is on right now saying TO was told to leave until Wed. He also said that this will be handled in house, between him and TO, and only TO.
Right now? He said this earlier. Like noon.
Reid says T.O. will stay away until issue is settled
BETHLEHEM, Pa. - Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid called the ejection of Terrell Owens from training camp in-house business, adding the tempestuous wide receiver would not be permitted back to camp until the two of them fully discuss the problem.
Owens said he was just happy to have a week off.
"I'm going to work with T.O. and only T.O.," Reid said Thursday in his first comments since Owens was sent home Wednesday.
That was about all Reid said despite numerous questions on a variety of subjects about the playmaking, showboating Owens, who was asked to leave camp Wednesday after a heated exchange with Reid.
Owens, meanwhile, emerged from his house in Moorestown, N.J., after noon on Thursday, signing autographs to the delight of several dozen fans who passed the time throwing footballs and yelling Eagles chants in his suburban cul de sac. Owens told reporters he had not spoken to the team.
"Why would I talk to them? They gave me a week off," he said.
When asked why he had the time off, Owens remained elusive.
"What do you think?" he said. "You are asking a dumb question right now."
Owens and agent Drew Rosenhaus -- who had arrived in midmorning -- departed for what the agent said was lunch and a meeting.
Suddenly, Owens pulling a Sharpie from his sock or posing on the Cowboys' star seems downright tame.
On Wednesday, Owens told Comcast SportsNet that his ejection by Reid "was just a difference of opinion. I was defending myself."
Defending himself from what, it's not exactly clear.
Owens refused to say what the argument was about, and the Eagles issued only a brief statement saying Owens was not expected to return to the team until next Wednesday.
But this was the risk the Eagles were willing to take last year when they traded for Owens because they thought he could help them win a Super Bowl.
Now comes this.
For the fifth time in six days, Owens did not practice Wednesday because of a groin injury suffered last week. Instead, he worked out with the assistant trainer for about 20 minutes, catching balls from a machine and doing some light running. He did not speak to reporters or acknowledge the fans who chanted his name.
Between sessions -- the Eagles had a special teams practice Wednesday afternoon that Owens was not required to attend -- Owens and Reid started arguing during a meeting.
Reid asked the injured Owens to leave after their discussion, according to Rosenhaus, and Owens' publicist, Kim Etheredge.
Owens then got his belongings and cleared out of training camp at Lehigh University.
"If the truth needs to be told, then that's what I'll do," Owens said Wednesday. "If he (Reid) wants me to be a man about it and have me really go on the air and really tell the people what happened, then I can. It was a difference of opinion."
With reporters camped on his lawn and helicopters hovering overhead while Owens played basketball and lifted weights, Wednesday's circus scene only magnified the distraction Owens has become to the NFC champions. While Owens was an instant fan favorite last year for helping the Eagles reach the Super Bowl, he's caused constant headaches for management because of his demand for a new contract.
He also damaged his relationship with Donovan McNabb when he took a shot at the quarterback "who got tired in the Super Bowl."
Owens is unhappy the Eagles have refused to redo his contract as he enters the second season of a seven-year, $48.97 million deal. He hired Rosenhaus and threatened to skip camp completely. Instead, Owens reported, then injured his groin last Thursday.
He was day to day and the injury wasn't considered serious.
Owens also skipped a scheduled autograph session with the rest of the Eagles' receivers after Wednesday's practice.
"He was unable to attend because he was injured," Etheredge said.
The Eagles still won't show Owens the money he desperately wants. They have, however, shown the All-Pro wide receiver the door.
Since arriving at Lehigh, Owens has been distant on the field with his teammates. After signing autographs and slapping hands with fans on a nearly daily basis last year, Owens has jogged on and off the practice field, barely acknowledging their chants and screams.
"Just because I don't talk to everybody, that's up to me," Owens said. "Everybody needs to understand the situation is all business, it's nothing personal. The situation is between me and management. They know what's going on.
"I think some people are kind of ticked off because I haven't really said much. They don't pay me to go in there and talk to everybody and be friendly to everybody. They paid me to play and they paid me to perform. That's what I've been going in there and doing."
Last season, Owens had 77 receptions for 1,200 yards and a franchise-record 14 touchdowns before severely injuring his ankle late in the season. He missed the final two regular-season games and the first two playoff games before returning for the Super Bowl, in which he had nine receptions for 122 yards.
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 11, 2005, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: shorebird on August 11, 2005, 04:29:41 PM
Andy is on right now saying TO was told to leave until Wed. He also said that this will be handled in house, between him and TO, and only TO.
Right now? He said this earlier. Like noon.
I was working at noon and saw him like five minutes ago.
When the pre season starts, or the reg. season depending on how long the fuse is to this powder keg, this situation gets even worse. Just wait 'till the camera's catch TO's act on live TV from the sidelines.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 11, 2005, 04:36:26 PM
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We have a winner.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 11, 2005, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 11, 2005, 04:10:22 PM
Has the CF.com homepage been hacked?
It looks like it has, but if so that is the gayest hack job I've ever seen. farging rimjobber.
Very true. If I was going to hack this page I'd post photoshops of TO farging a goat.
Also, no offense to GF, but why would anyone bother to hack this site? THE SECRET SARCASTIC COMMENTS OF EAGLES FANS REVEALED!
QuoteSince arriving at Lehigh, Owens has been distant on the field with his teammates. After signing autographs and slapping hands with fans on a nearly daily basis last year, Owens has jogged on and off the practice field, barely acknowledging their chants and screams.
"Just because I don't talk to everybody, that's up to me," Owens said. "Everybody needs to understand the situation is all business, it's nothing personal. The situation is between me and management. They know what's going on.
Ok dick, but signing autographs and acknowledging fans is personal to us as fans, its about as personal as it gets between the fans and the players. yea its between you and the management, but why act out publicly about it. hes a moron.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 11, 2005, 04:40:22 PM
Also, no offense to GF, but why would anyone bother to hack this site? THE SECRET SARCASTIC COMMENTS OF EAGLES FANS REVEALED!
They probably heard about the asian porn.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 11, 2005, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 11, 2005, 04:40:22 PM
Also, no offense to GF, but why would anyone bother to hack this site? THE SECRET SARCASTIC COMMENTS OF EAGLES FANS REVEALED!
They probably heard about the asian porn.
Yes where is the good stuff?
Quote from: daigglesfaninva on August 11, 2005, 05:02:59 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 11, 2005, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 11, 2005, 04:40:22 PM
Also, no offense to GF, but why would anyone bother to hack this site? THE SECRET SARCASTIC COMMENTS OF EAGLES FANS REVEALED!
They probably heard about the asian porn.
Yes where is the good stuff?
Look harder. Its there, I swear...its there.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 11, 2005, 04:10:22 PM
Has the CF.com homepage been hacked or is it a staged elaborate distraction from the TO circus.
yeah, WTF? More like a Turkish handjob.
I HATE TO.....Stupid PTI
TO: "I have no desire to talk to Donovan."
Ok, I'm offically pissed at him. What a bitch.
TO comes off as such a baby. "he told me to shut up so i told him to shut up"
wow like a coach has never said to his player "shut up" or worse.
andy can make it work
i know mcnabb can make it work
but to has to be man enough to even come to that.
still for some weird reason i get the feeling come week 1 he will be playing and things will be better....cept th emoney wont be there for him but him and mcnabb will mend things. or thats the fan in me hoping.
anyway drew said he isnt even in the top 10 highest paid WRs....is this true?
and even if it it...hey TO maybe u shouldnt have signed that contract then.
I only saw about a minute clip on CSN. Did anyone actually watch the whole thing on ESPN? It was 5 min long I think. What did he say besides the clip they showed on ESPN?
Fargin' TO and his God damn Turkish hax0rz ...
No way he isn't top 10...I think he's #3 after Moss and Harrison, and both those guys signed a new contract in the last year.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 11, 2005, 05:57:15 PM
I only saw about a minute clip on CSN. Did anyone actually watch the whole thing on ESPN? It was 5 min long I think. What did he say besides the clip they showed on ESPN?
i saw that clip too...there's no way they bring him back after he publicly dissed the franchise qb.
I watched the whole thing on PTI. He said he doesn't talk to nor needs to talk to McNabb. Said there were some guys on the team that had his back, but others didn't. Rosenhaus said he isn't getting paid what he should, normal Rosendick dribble. T.O basically outlined exactly what happened between Reid, Childress and himself, all his side of the story. Wilbon pressed a bit about whether he would play with the Eagles, or if at this point he wanted to be traded. He said he just wants to play football and doesn't care where, but he won't be disrespected.
EDIT: Forgot some stuff. Talked about how he put his "life on the line" by rehabing so hard to get back to the SB. Did it for the team, faith in god, and the fans. Talked about a "Secret" clause in his contract that if was seriously injured they could drop him, I guess a reference to the non-gauranteed contract issue.
That is why this situation is so crazy. If they don't bring him back... kiss WINNING the SB goodbye. They can get there, but you think we can beat The Pats who are the best at scheming defenses in the league without TO? They take Westbrook out of the game and it's over. Can we beat the Jets without TO? Their defense is improved. Could we outscore the Chargers? Could we outscore the Colts in a dome? The Eagles are totally farged if they don't bring him back. If this was 4 months ago then the Eagles could trade up for Mike Williams in the draft, or go after Burress, or trade for someone.
This team is farged. Whether Greg Lewis or Reggie Brown can do it or not, on top of that Buckhalter could be out for the god damned year. :boom
that's the gamble they took when they signed/traded for TO....he's high risk/high reward. last year's trip to the super bowl was the reward. the fact that he showed his "high risk" side now is just bad timing since pinky is out...but it was gonna happen eventually.
I saw the whole thing. It was like 8 and a half minutes long.
Says Donovan is a hypocryte because he tells the media he doesn't wanna talk to TO, but then tries to get his brother to talk to TO's friend or something stupid like that. He really is a little child.
News flash TO, you're a football player. Whether you're 16 years old or 31 years old, your coach is your boss, and you listen to waht he says. It doesn't have dick to do with you being a "man". Shut the farg up already.
He's not gonna change when he comes back, then he isn't coming back. He'll come back wednesday and Reid will try to talk to him. Then TO will tell him to shut up again, and then it's all over. TO is done in Philly and maybe forever.
Can the creator of this forum PLEASE change my name to WEST is GOD. I can't take TO anymore. PLEASE!
Basically, TO is going to come back. Reid's gonna tell him that it's not disrespect, it's Reid being a coach. TO is going to say he's being disrepsected. Reid's going to say "I'm the coach, you do what I say, I'm your boss", TO will be a bitch and whine and say soemthing.
And at that point, I hope they suspend him for a year and let him rot.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 11, 2005, 06:14:40 PM
Can the creator of this forum PLEASE change my name to WEST is GOD. I can't take TO anymore. PLEASE!
Change it yourself.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on August 11, 2005, 06:08:47 PM
That is why this situation is so crazy. If they don't bring him back... kiss WINNING the SB goodbye. They can get there, but you think we can beat The Pats who are the best at scheming defenses in the league without TO? They take Westbrook out of the game and it's over. Can we beat the Jets without TO? Their defense is improved. Could we outscore the Chargers? Could we outscore the Colts in a dome? The Eagles are totally farged if they don't bring him back. If this was 4 months ago then the Eagles could trade up for Mike Williams in the draft, or go after Burress, or trade for someone.
This team is farged. Whether Greg Lewis or Reggie Brown can do it or not, on top of that Buckhalter could be out for the god damned year. :boom
The Eagles couldn't win the Super Bowl with Owens. I bet the Pats don't make it back as they've lost both coordinators and a couple of key defensive players. Not only that but they haven't even hired a new o-coordinator. Talk about Reid having a god complex - look at Bellicheck.
The Eagles don't need TO to win any game. What happened to football being a team sport and any player replaceable? McNabb and Westbrook are far more integral to the success of the team than any WR. That's how the Eagles went to three consecutive championship games with absolutely abyssmal wide outs.
Don't get me wrong, Owens makes the team more offensively potent, but to freak out just because he may not be here is fargtarded. The Patriots won a couple to a few Super Bowls with a less than stellar wide receiving corps. The Bucs had zesty wide receivers too - as did the Ravens.
Here's an article that brings up a good point....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/andrew_perloff/08/10/perloff.wrs/index.html
Quote from: General_Failure on August 11, 2005, 06:18:05 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 11, 2005, 06:14:40 PM
Can the creator of this forum PLEASE change my name to WEST is GOD. I can't take TO anymore. PLEASE!
Change it yourself.
:-D
(Just for today.)
Nice one romey.
I hear TO's got bad knees ...
QuoteHis teammates poked fun after Thursday's practice. Defensive end Jevon Kearse ripped off his jersey, did a few situps and mimicked pullups.
"I never heard anything like that," Kearse said. "Then to see it ... a helicopter!"
Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins, who talked to Owens on Wednesday night, called the situation a "misunderstanding" and remained hopeful the issues could be resolved.
"I guess you guys want us to go spank him or something," Dawkins said. "That's not what we're all about here. He's my teammate, first and foremost, and I care about him."
Dawk will beat the shtein out of him..."you'll sign a new contract allright, icehole, for vet minimum, and you'll like it"
Quote from: General_Failure on August 11, 2005, 07:02:46 PM
I hear TO's got bad knees ...
:-D
Rosenhaus on Letterman:
TO is earning $10 mill for his first two years here =
LIE ($13 mill)
He is not even among the top paid players at his positio =
LIE (#3 over 2 years)
TO:
I had to sign a secret waiver with the Eagles to play in the SuperBowl =
LIE (Banner denied that in a written memo to media today)
Donovan McNabb is a hypocrate, and I have no desire to speak to him. =
Nail in coffin.
TO has just about torched this thing beyond recognition. Hate to say it, he needs to be farged six ways to Sunday, unless we can get something significant .... which is near impossible. He may have played his last game as an Eagle.
Sidenote ...
Brett Favre:
I have nothing in my contract that says I have to teach Rodgers or get him ready to play. = Wow, what a competitor. ::)
Michael Irvin on ESPN NFL Live:
"Get my pads, I'm going to Philadelphia. It ended there and I can start over ..... (trails off laughing)"
"Philadelphia, I am sorry, you have no shot at returning to the SuperBowl. You have a $100 million QB throwing to $10 receivers."
Berman: "Philadelphia? Michael Irvin?"
Irvin: "Philadelphia, I am sorry, you have no shot at returning to the SuperBowl. You have a $100 million QB throwing to $10 receivers."
Berman: "I thought you said you were going there."
Irvin:"Right now, I'm a $10 receiver too." .... "Without TO, The Cowboys can beat the Eagles."
Mortonsen: "The Eagles are going to pick up a receiver thru trade or release"
Lots of entertainment going on at our expense ......
Colbert in 05/06
woooooooooooo
TO live from Jersey at Halftime ...... :poison
Quote from: Reidme on August 11, 2005, 08:04:54 PM
TO live from Jersey at Halftime ...... :poison
Maybe he'll be interviewed while doing jumping jacks on his roof this time.
I know the crazy media types think the Eagles can't win without TO, but I'm surprised to see some of you feel the same way. What are you thinking?
The Eagles can win the SB with or without TO. I can't believe some of you are in a semi-panic mode thinking the season is a wash if TO doesn't come back. :-D
Another pic from Camp TO today.
(http://home.comcast.net/~beermonkey/camp_to.jpg)
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 11, 2005, 08:44:44 PM
Another pic from Camp TO today.
(http://home.comcast.net/~beermonkey/camp_to.jpg)
That baby is lucky it's not McMullen.
I don't think TO could hold McMullin like that.
32 pages now... Wow...
Disclaimer: This is from PFT.com but I really think this is a good view of the situation. :yay
QuoteOWENS NFL CAREER IN JEOPARDY
Lost in the hoopla regarding the sudden and extremely bizarre ejection of Eagles receiver Terrell Owens from training camp on Wednesday is the very real possibility that the team can -- and likely will -- put the hammer to Owens in a manner that potentially prevents him from ever playing pro football again.
We reported several weeks ago that the team planned to make an example out of Owens and agent Drew Rosenhaus if T.O. didn't show for camp and/or if he reported and acted like a buffoon. Now, word is that the Eagles will follow through on their intentions.
Owens won't be traded, since that would give him what he wants. We've determined via a solid league source that rampant rumors of a Owens-for-Hines Ward swap with the Steelers are bogus, and that the Eagles have no interest in Ward, who's a contract holdout in Pittsburgh.
But it appears T.O. also won't be cut, since that would give him the freedom he so desperately craves. Instead, the Eagles will sit on his rights until he reports to the team and behaves. If he doesn't, he'll continue to be suspended and/or otherwise disciplined.
Eventually, he won't get credit against the 2005 season of his contract, and the team won't face the requirement of paying him $7.5 million in March 2006 or releasing him.
And, eventually, he'll have to play another year for the Eagles before he can get credit for the 2005 season of his contract.
Along the way, the Eagles will go after a chunk of his signing bonus, which as ESPN.com's John Clayton reports can be forfeited for conduct detrimental to the team.
Owens, of late, is putting the "mental" in detrimental. His head ain't right (to use a technical term), and if he doesn't get it on straight, it's likely that he never will play football again.
Its mostly whats been said on here for the past month or so but at least its out there. The PTI interview will really hurt TO's rep even more. 9 minutes of BS from him and Rosenpuke :evil
Banner to TO: I got your number. I steal your thunder. I got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm.
Dont ever forget. Andy Reid is Satan, in a good way.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 11, 2005, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 11, 2005, 08:44:44 PM
Another pic from Camp TO today.
(http://home.comcast.net/~beermonkey/camp_to.jpg)
That baby is lucky it's not McMullen Drew Rosenhaus.
Fixed.
TO for Hines Ward swap? :-D
Where did that come from?
TO's got a nasty farmer's tan.
:48 seconds left in first half the Brett Favre Pole Smoke Fest...TO and his mime, Drew will be coming up soon.
I wonder what surprises he'll have for us this time?!?
Quote from: Captain Spach on August 11, 2005, 09:22:07 PM
TO for Hines Ward swap? :-D
Where did that come from?
No clue, but it makes no sense.
Oh goody..TO INTRVW TM BBY!
He's going to hold his sextoy dogs hostage.
Please.
God.
Make.
It.
Stop.
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I want to fight Drew Rosenhaus. The sight of him angers me.
Quote from: T.O._81_RIP on August 11, 2005, 09:30:23 PM
Please.
God.
Make.
It.
Stop.
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You can only hope.... this is the longest offseason EVER!
I'm so glad I've stopped watching tv.
Why on earth is Rosenhaus on there??
"I'll be back at camp in my camo shirt, hat, headphones and sunglasses"
"I had to sign a secret waiver"
He said that twice and twice Banner has refuted that claim.
TO said he will report and then said he will continue to be the same way
Any updates for us out to sea folks? :)
Who cares, just play football. I hope he doesn't say a word all damn season. ::)
Same old, SD. He'll be there to play, he won't be happy. Blahblahblah...
Relationship with Andy Reid will be "the same as it was when I was in camp, I don't have to talk to him. I know how to play football".
He did bring up Favre's commennts about not having to mentor or talk to Aaron Rodgers.
"I don't think we can exist in this environment" - talking about McNabb :o
God this is mindnumbing... get the damn game back on.
Trashing Reid and McNabb like this, it's hard to imagine TO playing with the team for much longer.
Nice read from Lincoln Kennedy...
QuoteLincoln's address: Two sides to T.O.
By Lincoln Kennedy
Special to NFL.com
(Aug. 11, 2005) -- Let me preface anything I say about Terrell Owens by first acknowledging that I know him personally. I've seen him at various functions, even hung out with him on occasion, and from what I've seen, two distinct personalities have emerged.
There is an on-camera, very public personality he has shown that is a complete opposite from the man I know as a person. This on-field persona strives for attention at all times, whether it be outrageous celebrations, searching out sideline cameras or publicly calling out teammates. All of T.O.'s antics from this offseason have only served to reinforce this public image.
I find this persona to be unsettling, and unfair to his teammates and coaches. This sort of activity becomes a distraction to a team that is still trying to meet very reasonable championship aspirations.
From personal experience, I know a very different side of Terrell Owens. I know a quiet, easy-going, laidback person. I know a person who likes to have fun and joke around just like anybody else. I know he loves the game. All you have to look at is his training regimen, and the production he's managed as a result.
Terrell Owens has shown a different personality away from the camera.
I don't question whether he has a passion for the game. I do question whether he has the professionalism he needs to leave all the other stuff behind and become a truly transcendent player. His actions from recent weeks form the type of distractions that prevent a championship-caliber team like the Eagles from actually winning a championship and also ultimately end up breaking up such a team.
I can't wait for the season to start. I can't wait for the real T.O. to rejoin his team. And I can't wait for him to add his talents to his team in the pursuit of the Super Bowl.
From your fingertips to Quasimodo's fargin' ears, Lincoln.
:P
I farging hate Drew Rosenhaus...after every second question he chimes in saying "But, but, but Boomer! We just want a fair contract for TO. He put his career on the line in the Super Bowl. He signed the waiver"
Berman asked him if he'll be in uniform against ATL "Who knows?" and Rosenhaus was nodding his head yes and then he piped in with "He will be there playing".
Berman called him a hero for his SB performance and Drew asked him if he thought TO should be the highest paid WR and Berman said "you don't have to negotiate with me"
Berman called that delusional fargin jerkoff a hero?
Come on, you gotta be kidding me.
Now I've heard everything. :puke
It was more like calling his Super Bowl performance heroic, which I would agree with.
Berman's interview was terrible. The softballs he lobbed up there were big and easy to knock outta here.
I really like Boomer but I wish he would have hit them hard and not just gone along with everything that guy said, and that hero stuff... :puke
Rosenhaus is a snake, he is deceiving and thinks everyone watching is a moron :boo
so tired of this.....I hope he doesnt show up like he was posturing while Rosenslime was nodding that he would be there. No money for TO/Rosenfluffer.
Quote from: thrillhouse on August 11, 2005, 09:45:55 PM
Rosenhaus is a snake, he is deceiving and thinks everyone watching is a moron :boo
Everyone that watched that
is a moron wether or not you bought what he was selling.
Andy Reid when he came in said he was going to solve the QB problem. He did. Now solve the damn WR problem. Get us a young star WR to build around that is a team guy.
Quote from: Captain Spach on August 11, 2005, 09:48:58 PM
Andy Reid when he came in said he was going to solve the QB problem. He did. Now solve the damn WR problem. Get us a young star WR to build around that is a team guy.
Reggie Brown.
Todd Pi*laughter*
Quote from: General_Failure on August 11, 2005, 09:48:10 PM
Quote from: thrillhouse on August 11, 2005, 09:45:55 PM
Rosenhaus is a snake, he is deceiving and thinks everyone watching is a moron :boo
Everyone that watched that is a moron wether or not you bought what he was selling.
Well I started off just watching Green Bay and San Diego, but Im not watching or hearing the incessant 24 hour helicopter coverage like a lot of you guys are. I just wanted to hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
That and I had a wet day-dream where TO turned to Rosenhaus and fired him live on TV. Then apologized to the fans, Reid, McNabb and everyone else in the world, Eagles win the Superbowl, and then we all had ice cream...
with sprinkles? [thumbs crossed]Please let there be sprinkles, please let there be sprinkles. [/thumbs crossed]
I love TO. He's our savior!
The more this continues . . .I hate to say it but it is simply embarassing.
For a PROUD ownership, team, and fans this is just Wrong.
:boom
About the only thing i agreed with TO about during his interview was that he did risk a lot when he worked his ass off to come back for the Super Bowl. I'll give him that.
But yeah, it's getting embarassing. I am getting so much shtein at work about this and all over the place.
I posted this early this year, refrencing an analogy by Al Morganti, and it rings true now .....
QuoteWhen you marry a stripper, you have to expect a few problems.
Sure you get a great looking wife, who's fun and exciting, but you have to expect she will ... show Uncle Harry her tattoo at Thanksgiving dinnner, and get up and dance on a table at a wedding now and then. You sort of knew what you were getting into, so don't be suprised when she acts up.
Prenuptial agreement.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2005, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: Captain Spach on August 11, 2005, 09:48:58 PM
Andy Reid when he came in said he was going to solve the QB problem. He did. Now solve the damn WR problem. Get us a young star WR to build around that is a team guy.
Reggie Brown.
There you go..."Downtown" Reggie Brown will save the day or the season I guess you could say...I hope :-\
Berman's interview was terrible. The softballs he lobbed up there were big and easy to knock outta here.
thats because rosenhaus clears all questions before TO goes on with anyone..all this ish is set up to a degree...the biggest joke was that coors light six pack of questions...TO was giving his answers before the questions even started
as for rosenhaus...i dont understand why people blame him for all this or even any of it...he has minimal input in this...TO was a horrible person long before he hired rosenhaus (see san fran)...furthermore rosenhaus has another client in javon walker who has much more reason to cause a ruckus than TO yet he has reported and gone about his business in a professional manor...in fact for having over 90 clients he doesnt have a higher % of holdouts than any other agent...the majority of his guys do the right thing...this is who TO is...hes a pathetic joke of a person who deserves 95% of the blame for this
i have a feeling the reason people blame rosenhaus so much is that it gives them an out to jump back on TO's sack if by chance he ever returned to the team
So, who else wants to tell me there's no chance TO cashes in the season?
IGY,
Did you see the very end of the Cold Hard Facts segment when you could see Drew's hand going up to pat TO on the back?
It was sickening.
I hope they Keyshawn his ass and let him rot.
By the way...
Some fans have rented a U-HAUL truck and parked it in front of TO's house with a big ass sign on the side that says "TO MUST GO" :-D
IGY,
Did you see the very end of the Cold Hard Facts segment when you could see Drew's hand going up to pat TO on the back?
It was sickening.
yeah i did...exactly what im talking about...as if to say even though you knew what was coming you did a good job TO
as i just posted in another thread tho imo yesterdays interviews by TO were distasterous for his camp
QuoteROSENHAUS TAKING A BIG RISK
Amid relentless rumors that T.O. might be contemplating a split with agent Drew Rosenhaus, a thought occurred to us on Friday morning while watching the coverage on ESPN of the Owens debacle.
If T.O. were to make a change, he might be doing Drew a favor.
We say that because sooner or later this mess is going to affect the ability of Rosenhaus to keep his 90-some other clients happy. Indeed, Broncos cornerback Lenny Walls recently parted ways with Rosenhaus, opting instead for Denver-area agents Lamont Smith and Peter Schaffer.
And the quotes from Rosenhaus clients Jevon Kearse and Hugh Douglas aired on SportsCenter regarding Owens made us think that maybe, just maybe, some of the guys out there who (1) don't like what T.O. is doing and/or (2) are getting little or no attention whatsoever from Rosenhaus might start getting ideas.
As one non-Rosenhaus player told us on Thursday in reference to the Owens situation, "If Drew were my agent, I'd be wondering why he's sucking this guy's ass."
Lovely image, but solid point.
Drew, in our view, needs to think this through. The Owens saga has raised the Rosenhaus profile to unprecedented heights, but notoriety and fame are two very different phenomena.
With that said, Rosenhaus surely will work even more tirelessly to keep his other clients in the fold, if/when any of them show signs of fatigue with the Owens routine. But why would Drew want to put himself in the position of having to work even harder to service and maintain a client pool that amounts to roughly 5 percent of the entire body of NFL players?
Our guess is that Rosenhaus, then, quietly is hoping that Owens will decide to go in a different direction. As we wrote in this space last month, however, the danger with a guy like T.O. is that once he turns on you he runs his mouth. And even if Drew Rosenhaus didn't supplant former Owens agent David Joseph through means that might draw the attention of the NFLPA, that doesn't mean Owens won't say he did.
Bottom line. Since Rosenhaus won't make a dime in his representation of Owens until T.O. gets a new deal from the Eagles or elsewhere, it's a hell of a lot of a way to not make a living.
Yep, he should've just gone on giving the silent treatment...all the Eagles FO needs to do now is to refer to the last 36 hours of TO media blather to cement the fans and the city solidly behind them.
"I don't need to talk to the coaches. I know how to play football. I know how to play football. Blah, blah blah"
Berman is a joke as an interviewer, I was embarassed for him.
I agree with you on Rosenhaus, IGY...he's a slimeball, sure. But, I think people want to blame him for "changing" TO after last season, but it's simply not true. Rosenhaus keeps trying to return these interviews to the contract, and all TO can do is make it personal. TO is so far from a professional, it's ridiculous.
TO is being himself, last year was a mirage.
Anyone notice on SportCenter last night when Reece Davis asked TO what he wanted, TO said: "I just want to get paid." He kind of stopped short and didn't finish the word paid, obviously realizing how that would sound. Then he change it to, "I just want to play football, and have a fair contract."
What an ass.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 12, 2005, 09:51:26 AM
Anyone notice on SportCenter last night when Reece Davis asked TO what he wanted, TO said: "I just want to get paid." He kind of stopped short and didn't finish the word paid, obviously realizing how that would sound. Then he change it to, "I just want to play football, and have a fair contract."
What an ass.
Yeah, I heard that too. Drew probably squeezed TO's balls to shut him up. He had his hands all over TO last night. Disgusting.
I don't understand the dispute over the "secret waiver"..
I thought it was a known fact that TO had to sign a waiver before he played in the SB. Why are the Eagles denying it now?
Quote from: Eagles76ersFan on August 12, 2005, 09:56:33 AM
I thought it was a known fact that TO had to sign a waiver before he played in the SB. Why are the Eagles denying it now?
You might also ask why Owens is calling the waiver "secret" if it was a known fact.
Quote from: Eagles76ersFan on August 12, 2005, 09:56:33 AM
I don't understand the dispute over the "secret waiver"..
I thought it was a known fact that TO had to sign a waiver before he played in the SB. Why are the Eagles denying it now?
No, there was discussion/rumors/conjecture about it, but they never made him do it. I remember the talk about it. The only thing he had to sign was a waiver lifting responsibility from Dr. Myerson from liability because he was playing against his orders.
By the way, David Joseph says there was no waiver.
now on wip they are saying owens is headed for a plane to atlanta
yeah, we knew that.
oh he was supposed to leave...they are acting like its a surprise
i was just thinking he could easily be going home for a few days to be with his family...make sure they have enough to eat down there
Westbrook is a no-show at camp today?
no not necessarily...no one has seen him on the practice field
but he could be inside getting treatment for an injury...or maybe even given the day off for an undisclosed reason
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 12, 2005, 10:08:09 AM
oh he was supposed to leave...they are acting like its a surprise
i was just thinking he could easily be going home for a few days to be with his family...make sure they have enough to eat down there
He's flying some TastyKakes & Little Debbie Nutty Bars down to them.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2005, 09:34:09 PM"I had to sign a secret waiver"
He said that twice and twice Banner has refuted that claim.
What a shock....he's a liar.... (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_1p_box.asp?ID=3760)
Quote from: TO in Jacksonville on 2/1/05Owens said he did not sign a waiver to release the team of any medical liability for allowing him to play.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2005, 09:34:09 PM"I had to sign a secret waiver"
He said that twice and twice Banner has refuted that claim.
What a shock....he's a liar.... (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_1p_box.asp?ID=3760)
QuoteOwens said he did not sign a waiver to release the team of any medical liability for allowing him to play.
It's incredible that Drew is allowing TO to hang himself on national TV like that.
I was mostly amazed that TO said, when asked whether he can have success with McNabb in this environment:
Quote"I don't think so and I'm just being honest."
Then why the farg would your employer want to give you a raise when you are unable to be productive with the key employee in your workplace? Will he like McNabb if he gets more money?
I'm glad I was at a bar and couldn't hear all of this shtein. I probably would have hurled someon through a window. Did he really say all of this shtein? Does anyone actually think that he'll play for the Eagles again? Christ.
Also, it was really classy of Owens to make an analogy between him wanting more money and the strength displayed by his dying grandmother.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 12, 2005, 10:39:36 AM
Also, it was really classy of Owens to make an analogy between him wanting more money and the strength displayed by his dying grandmother.
in his head, that analogy makes sense. that is what's so disturbing.
Schlereth and Salisbury ripped him apart last night. Salisbury said that the halftime interview was the most irritating,embarassing, childish piece of crap he's ever seen....
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 12, 2005, 10:40:40 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 12, 2005, 10:39:36 AM
Also, it was really classy of Owens to make an analogy between him wanting more money and the strength displayed by his dying grandmother.
in his head, that analogy makes sense. that is what's so disturbing.
You're right. It wasn't a calculated PR stunt. Owens wouldn't use his grandmother that way. He really believes it's a legitimate analogy.
And he had a TSHIRT on with them both on it :puke
I need to vent, and if any of this has been said before, I don't care.
Am I the only one who felt like I was watching Jerry McGuire last night? What right did Rosenhaus have being there during the interview? Didn't he say on Wednesday that this issue was between TO and Andy? So, what the hell was he doing there? All he was doing was instigating TO into saying more detrimental things about anything and anybody. On top of that, this interview was not meant to discuss TO's contract - it was for the purpose of clearing the air; letting us, the fans know what is going on. Instead, as usual his selfish disposition took over once again, and turned what could have been his last chance to make nice into another negative angle in an increasingly devastating off season.
Furthermore, how can he say he feels betrayed and heartbroken? He'll never understand what he's doing to Eagles fans who took him in because right now, I feel heartbroken and I certainly feel betrayed. And what about Donovan? This guy vouched for him ten ways till Tuesday about the "Real TO" and not even a year later, he has enough egg on his face to make TO a heart-healthy greed omelette. I feel terrible for McNabb - he deserves so much better than this, and all the while he still goes about himself with class - even when it would be so easy to start taking shots; justifiable shots at TO.
Its such a shame that its come down to this. The only resolution right now is to suspend him indefinitely, with the intention of keeping the suspension active until he shows the maturity to come back as a professional. In other words, I want him out of here. If he continues this path, its going to ruin this team and it could ruin McNabb as well. Everything that Reid and Banner has built can come crumbling down now if this goes any further. At this point, were a better team without him.
Ill never root so hard for this team as I will this year - I want a ring now even worse, just to prove to everyone that we don't need this cancer to win. It was great while it lasted but there's only so far you can go when you're dealing with children. Luckily, McNabb is man enough for the both of them.
I for one am hoping Florio is correct. Suspend/deactivate him for every game, thereby forfeiting his paycheck. Get back as much of the SB as possible and use it to extend Lewis and Westbrook. If he loses a year of eligibility from the season long suspension, even better. Repeat as necessary until he's too old to play. farg TO.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 12, 2005, 11:23:36 AMRepeat as necessary until he's too old to play.
I feel like I'm reading the back of my shampoo bottle. :-D
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 12, 2005, 11:18:46 AM
I need to vent, and if any of this has been said before, I don't care.
Am I the only one who felt like I was watching Jerry McGuire last night? What right did Rosenhaus have being there during the interview? Didn't he say on Wednesday that this issue was between TO and Andy? So, what the hell was he doing there? All he was doing was instigating TO into saying more detrimental things about anything and anybody. On top of that, this interview was not meant to discuss TO's contract - it was for the purpose of clearing the air; letting us, the fans know what is going on. Instead, as usual his selfish disposition took over once again, and turned what could have been his last chance to make nice into another negative angle in an increasingly devastating off season.
Furthermore, how can he say he feels betrayed and heartbroken? He'll never understand what he's doing to Eagles fans who took him in because right now, I feel heartbroken and I certainly feel betrayed. And what about Donovan? This guy vouched for him ten ways till Tuesday about the "Real TO" and not even a year later, he has enough egg on his face to make TO a heart-healthy greed omelette. I feel terrible for McNabb - he deserves so much better than this, and all the while he still goes about himself with class - even when it would be so easy to start taking shots; justifiable shots at TO.
Its such a shame that its come down to this. The only resolution right now is to suspend him indefinitely, with the intention of keeping the suspension active until he shows the maturity to come back as a professional. In other words, I want him out of here. If he continues this path, its going to ruin this team and it could ruin McNabb as well. Everything that Reid and Banner has built can come crumbling down now if this goes any further. At this point, were a better team without him.
Ill never root so hard for this team as I will this year - I want a ring now even worse, just to prove to everyone that we don't need this cancer to win. It was great while it lasted but there's only so far you can go when you're dealing with children. Luckily, McNabb is man enough for the both of them.
Couldn't agree more. Great post.
:yay
I've been listening to McNabb's press conference for about 10 minutes now and all i can say is...
#5 FRIGGIN RULES!
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 12, 2005, 11:29:19 AM
I've been listening to McNabb's press conference for about 10 minutes now and all i can say is...
#5 FRIGGIN RULES!
updates?
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 12, 2005, 11:30:13 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 12, 2005, 11:29:19 AM
I've been listening to McNabb's press conference for about 10 minutes now and all i can say is...
#5 FRIGGIN RULES!
updates?
I would if i had time, but he's not giving all the lame-ass cliches he normally does.
"As a child growing up, I dreamed of being an actor, and here we are in the days of our lives..."
"When you bring my family into it, now we have a problem..."
"personally, I don't even know if Drew knows what's going on..."
"I can't go home, I gotta move..."
MY NAME'S DONOVAN. ITS NOT REID
:-D
lolol...good stuff
whats he talking about bringing his family into
wait....did he really say that last line
TO claiming that DMac's brother called TO's friend....the "hypocrite" comments...
"Brad is the best co-ordinator in the NFL. He is a great human being. Doesnt deserve this."
"you don't talk to me, I don't talk to you"
its ON now!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 12, 2005, 11:38:53 AM
wait....did he really say that last line
they said something to the effect of "you're seen as an extension of Andy". that's where that line came from.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 11:39:25 AM
TO claiming that DMac's brother called TO's friend....the "hypocrite" comments...
if that's true, that Donovan had his brother do that, how is that hypocritical? that's how twisted TO is, IMO. Donovan tries to fix things behind the scenes, and TO calls it hypocritical?
i dont believe donovan did that
but if he did youre right its not hypocritical...pretty corny but not hypocritical
I really don't understand how anyone at this point could take the position that Owens is right and the Eagles FO, coaching staff, and QB are wrong.
Spadaro: "it's TO vs the other 86 players on the team"
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 11:43:25 AM
Spadaro: "it's TO vs the other 86 players on the team"
all indications are that this is going to get worse before it gets better
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 11:43:25 AM
Spadaro: "it's TO vs the other 86 players on the team"
And that's reason number 1 why he needs to be off this team.
I'm not sure how, but he needs to go.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 12, 2005, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 11:43:25 AM
Spadaro: "it's TO vs the other 86 players on the team"
all indications are that this is going to get worse before it gets better
It won't get better. Book that.
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 12, 2005, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 12, 2005, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 11:43:25 AM
Spadaro: "it's TO vs the other 86 players on the team"
all indications are that this is going to get worse before it gets better
It won't get better. Book that.
it will eventually, like next season
"keep my name & my family's name out of your mouth. If you can't say something positive about me, don't say anything."
And yet....he says he'll welcome TO back if things get worked out. All class today.... :evil
It's better already, imho. TO is removed from the team and the rest of the team can work on business while he pouts at home. I think that's an improvement over where we were a couple days ago.
DMac is stepping up to the plate and he'll keep the team together while this shtein is playing out. Reid won't play a guy who's declared war against the coaches the players, so barring any miraculous conversion experience I have to believe TO is done with the Eagles and the Eagles are done with him.
What did TO say about Donovan's family?
One more from DMac:
"Rice is tired of it, Garcia is tired of it, and now I'm tired of it" :evil :evil :evil
And Spadaro is unbearable to listen to. How someone with as little football knowledge as him got that job is a mystery to me.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on August 12, 2005, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 11:39:25 AM
TO claiming that DMac's brother called TO's friend....the "hypocrite" comments...
if that's true, that Donovan had his brother do that, how is that hypocritical? that's how twisted TO is, IMO. Donovan tries to fix things behind the scenes, and TO calls it hypocritical?
McNabb said he didn't know anything about his brother doing that & his brother only informed him that he did yesterday. He also said that a member of his family took it upon themselves to see what the issue was & can't see how that's hypocritical.
After his "being an actor" line, he also said he's still looking up "hypocrite" to see what that means.
Woo Hoo...Chris Samp is back on the roster
Kearse's TO imitation, in case you missed it (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/081105-kearse.wmv) :-D
Thats was Great :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 12:55:18 PM
Kearse's TO imitation, in case you missed it (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/081105-kearse.wmv) :-D
FREAK! :-D
Ahahaha! That just made my day.
:yay
TO leaves for the Bahamas (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050812/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_eagles_owens;_ylt=AsGDCl2JRFVmZGu5HSG6JL0LMxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)
As if there's not enough, here's the "Best of TO":
CNNSI: Terrell Uncensored (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/07/29/gallery.to/content.1.html)
Remember when......
(http://home.comcast.net/~beermonkey/best_buds.jpg)
I wish my employers would suspend me so i could go to the Bahamas for a week.
Quote"I'm going to the Bahamas. I'm going to get a tan."
:P
Quote
"I came here with hopes of playing with a guy like Donovan who has obviously made me a better receiver. A receiver is only as good as his quarterback, and I thank God for Donovan. It started out when we played our first preseason game at the Linc. We showed the world and made a statement, and we're trying to finish it up here."
-- Owens to reporters before Super Bowl XXXIX
:boo
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 01:04:04 PM
Quote"I'm going to the Bahamas. I'm going to get a tan."
:P
i wonder if he's taking VO with him. ;D
His poor starving family, he must have gotten a deal on the ticket and hotel room.
If you want to hear it again>> Eagles Live - Replay (http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/eagles/demand/050812tcaud.rm&proto=rtsp&rbnkey=1)
McNabb's interview starts around 19:15 minutes in.
That link takes me to a 6 minute movie of a toy train going around a track.
Quote from: MURP on August 12, 2005, 01:00:51 PM
TO leaves for the Bahamas (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050812/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_eagles_owens;_ylt=AsGDCl2JRFVmZGu5HSG6JL0LMxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)
But I thought his mama was going to straighten him out? :-D
Looks like they finally traded him. It's on the front page of here.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 12, 2005, 01:48:23 PM
Looks like they finally traded him. It's on the front page of here.
?
Quote from: phattymatty on August 12, 2005, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on August 12, 2005, 02:22:33 PM
?
I know, I'm in shock too.
*sigh*
QuoteOwens Traded
Posted on Friday, July 22 @ 09:10:40 CDT
Topic: Articles about the Philadelphia Eagles.
Today the football world was rocked once again by the bombastic wide receiver Terrell Owens. Mere minutes after his shocking quotes were released to the greater Philadelphia cable television audience demanding a trade, Owens got his wish. His agent, little-known Drew Rosenhaus, was granted permission to talk to other teams. By the time the news had spread around the Internet by losers on message boards, Owens had a new team.
TO is the center of a three-way trade between Philadelphia, Detroit, and Baltimore. Owens will be sent to Baltimore, that will then send a fourth round pick to Detroit, and Detroit will send a second round pick and wide receiver Kevin Johnson to Philadelphia.
Owens was quick to respond to fans on his website, "I WAS JST KIDDIN WHN I SD I WSNT GNNA PLAY FOR B-MORE. I LUV ME SUM BILLICK!" Some remain skeptical about Owens' honesty regarding his "luv" of the Ravens coach, but many fans believe quite strongly that the combination of Owens, former Titans receiver Derrick Mason, tight end Todd Heap and running back/coke dealer Jamal Lewis will finally give inept quarterback Kyle Boller enough weapons to be at least mediocre this season.
Johnson, who was in New Jersey this week for private workouts could not be reached for comment. However, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb told reporters just how excited he was to be reunited with his old college teammate. "You're kidding me, right? Man, I quit."
by E W McKenna
::)
Fans of other teams are commenting on how much they respect McNabb for handling this.
Oh, that E.W. McKenna is just a pseudonym for Eckel. Not to be listened to. ;)
Quote from: Cerevant on August 12, 2005, 02:27:30 PM
::)
Wow, never would have expected TO to go back to Baltimore. I wish him the best. Thanks for the link man.
C'mon man, those KJ jerseys are being printed up right now!
Quote from: phattymatty on August 10, 2005, 12:16:01 PM
Holy crap, Owens was traded. It says it on the front page of here.
I can't believe this isn't all over the news.
Your joke was gay the last time you used it. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 12, 2005, 02:36:52 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on August 10, 2005, 12:16:01 PM
Holy crap, Owens was traded. It says it on the front page of here.
I can't believe this isn't all over the news.
Your joke was gay the last time you used it. ::)
I just thought it would be a great fit for your fantastic sense of humor.
Try being funny...it will make me laugh.
No it won't.
I can't even escape the TO drama down here anymore. This crap is everywhere... I've never seen anyone go from Hero to Villain as fast as TO did. Amazing.
Donovan compared the situation to "Days of our Lives" twice.....looks like he's reading this board, or at least scanning the thread titles :paranoid
I don't think anyone can get through to a mental defective, but if anyone can it's Jerry Rice. He really needs to sit down and talk with TO. Even Jerry may not be enough now. TO is so out of control there may not be a point of return.
yeah, the Jerry Rice who would blow up on the sideline to his coach and QB.
Quote from: MURP on August 12, 2005, 03:58:31 PM
yeah, the Jerry Rice who would blow up on the sideline to his coach and QB.
remember when he didn't get his catch last year and it broke his streak of consecutive games with a catch?
all class.
I think Drew was wanting to keep this strictly about the contract, and he saw he wasn't going to get it...and now that everything is blowing up, he's kind of like "shtein, I need to get out of here... :paranoid". He's not gettin paid, and he's not gonna get the contract to get paid and he knows it.
^bump^
It had falled to the fourth most recently thread posted in. I still don't know why it hasn't been pinned to the top of every section on this board. That way we can post in it regardless of what section we're visiting.
I don't think anyone can get through to a mental defective, but if anyone can it's Jerry Rice. He really needs to sit down and talk with TO. Even Jerry may not be enough now. TO is so out of control there may not be a point of return
TO took a shot at jerry last night...i think it was in his 10:30-10:45 interview slot
I think the funniest part is seeing TO try to act cool, and say things like "Naw, that don't bother me, nothing bothers me." Meanwhile his eyes are watering up, and he is all figity and emotional. What a clown.
You think maybe TO needs to be put on 24 hour suicide watch?
Nah.
Well i can understand if some people want to let him do it.
At this point who wouldn't want him to do it? :paranoid
Daily News Live had a Foxsports rumor that they were about to read and never did. Any idea what it was?
You could try going to foxsports.com and look for yourself.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 12, 2005, 05:42:29 PM
You could try going to foxsports.com and look for yourself.
I could do a lot of things that I'm not going to do. How about you just farging tell me?
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on August 12, 2005, 03:27:49 PM
Donovan compared the situation to "Days of our Lives" twice.....looks like he's reading this board, or at least scanning the thread titles :paranoid
Satoshi is actually Donovan having some fun. I thought everyone realized that by now.
This is now the 8th longest thread in :CF history.
disgraceful that 2 Phillies offseason threads had more posts.
Well, you guys suck.
Ha, 4 of the top 10 threads by post count are about TO.
The Phillies will win the World Series this season!!!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: General_Failure on August 12, 2005, 05:54:50 PM
This is now the 8th longest thread in :CF history.
God help us.
Not bad for 2 days.
Oh jeez, they're talking about it on Sirius 27.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 12, 2005, 06:10:05 PM
Oh jeez, they're talking about it on Sirius 27.
Wow alot of people do read this board :paranoid
Now this: ::)
Quotehttp://2005-08-12 -- Terrell Owens would like to publically thank his fans
Friday, Aug 12th 2005
Terrell Owens would like to publically thank his fans for their continued, and unwavering support.
Despite all the negative publicity, the fans have remained objective, and optimistic. This positive reinforcement has inspired Terrell to work as hard as he can to improve on last years standout season. He plans to catch more balls than he ever has, and believes his on-the-field heroics will far outweigh any off-field criticism thrown his way. Through his actions, Terrell has continued to defy the negative speculation that has surrounded him, and he has proven himself to be a professional.
Despite all the rumors and innuendo Terrell has shown up to work on time, and from the moment he arrived he has given his all, picking up right where he left off in the Super Bowl. Unfortunately for Terrell, this gung-ho approach led to the aggravation of a nagging groin injury. Realizing that this could have been perceived as a negotiating ploy, Terrell has done everything possible to accelerate his rehab.
Regrettably, recent events have unfolded in a way that may paint a negative picture of Terrell. This situation has mushroomed far beyond what should be considered adequate coverage, and Terrell has become the media's favorite whipping boy. While this is discouraging, Terrell knows this is part of the business. To the fans he simply says that this was an isolated incident that was not premeditated. Terrell in no way wishes to be a disruption to the ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl. In fact Terrell has gone out of his way to diffuse the tension by keeping to himself in all non-practice related affairs. During practice and work related situations he has been and will be attentive and responsive; Terrell only asks what every other worker in America asks for, respect and dignity.
Terrell will return to camp and continue to display the work ethic, and on-the-field dedication that has made him one of the world's most elite athletes. For you the fan, and your continued support in the most difficult of times, Terrell plans to reward you with a season for the ages. Where small men succumb, great men overcome!
Last but not least Terrell would like to extend his appreciation for the continued support from all the members on Terrrellowens.com Message Board.
Staff
Terrellowens.com
Sorry buddy, but the second you brought Donovan into the fold you lost my respect. :boo
What a bunch of bullshtein. They really do believe we're all mindless sheep.
Supposedly that foxsports rumor was:
That TO, Donovan & Hugh were in an elevator and Donovan tried to talk to TO. TO told him "you don't talk to me". Donovan went to say something back and Hugh stepped in. Hugh told TO that if he wasn't a teammate of his he'd beat his fargin ass. And to watch out for #53 on the field.
DNL didn't read it because it wasn't confirmed. Les Bowen said he read it in a "Chat room" which means he got it from the EMB since he's registered there. But they couldn't confirm foxsports reported it so they never read it. Supposedly Jay Glazer is going to report on it. I'm going to go digging for it here in a bit.
They ... were going to report a rumor. From the EMB. From the EMB ... From the farging EMB?!
Quote from: General_Failure on August 12, 2005, 07:38:29 PM
They ... were going to report a rumor. From the EMB. From the EMB ... From the farging EMB?!
I assume so, yes. Les Bowen is registered there. I forget his s/n, but when he says "chat room" on TV, he's talking about the EMB. He references it in his articles sometimes when gauging fan reaction.
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, how does he have a job?
I wish Hugh would smack the NERD outta McNabb. Does he have a clause in his contract to act like a dork at least once per interview. I'm watching today's press conference now in CSN....
The funny thing, everyone is saying how much class McNabb has because of this press conference. Phil Andrews called him a 'super-nova'. Seriously???
If McNabb's a nerd, I wish the whole Eagles team were nerds.
I don't think he's rich enough to be a nerd.
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 07:51:07 PM
I wish Hugh would smack the NERD outta McNabb. Does he have a clause in his contract to act like a dork at least once per interview. I'm watching today's press conference now in CSN....
The funny thing, everyone is saying how much class McNabb has because of this press conference. Phil Andrews called him a 'super-nova'. Seriously???
How would you have handled differently then?
Anyone seen the racial angle the media is now trying to portray?
At the Atlanta airport today, Owens said something to a reporter along the lines of "Come on, this is a black man to a black man. You know what I'm saying."
Comcast is trying to tie it into the perceived "Uncle Tom" comments about McNabb.
He's so getting a new contract now.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 12, 2005, 08:14:40 PM
Anyone seen the racial angle the media is now trying to portray?
At the Atlanta airport today, Owens said something to a reporter along the lines of "Come on, this is a black man to a black man. You know what I'm saying."
Comcast is trying to tie it into the perceived "Uncle Tom" comments about McNabb.
When all else fails, they turn to the race card. I hate when that happens.
And TO said this right after saying he woke up on the plane with an urge to read Bible scriptures.
He's certifiably wacko. :-D
New plan. Instead of Kevin Johnson we're going trade for Michael Jackson. McNabb will love it.
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 12, 2005, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 07:51:07 PM
I wish Hugh would smack the NERD outta McNabb. Does he have a clause in his contract to act like a dork at least once per interview. I'm watching today's press conference now in CSN....
The funny thing, everyone is saying how much class McNabb has because of this press conference. Phil Andrews called him a 'super-nova'. Seriously???
How would you have handled differently then?
I wouldn't take all this so lightly if I was McNabb. I can see McNerd busting on Owens in front of people, setting him off. Mr. Leader??? "Leave my name out yo mouth"! I just can't stand McNabb because I truly DONT believe he cares about winning the SuperBowl as much as he should. <chest pat> 'My Bad' <goofy grin>. Yep, I'm a die hard - born and raised in Philly - and I wish McNabb would just grow up!
AND the best part of this situation is I guarantee McNabb comes out smelling like roses at the end of the season no matter what the outcome. He just got himself another 'get-outta-jail-free card'. That makes 4 as I count them:
a. Boo'd on Draft day
b. Playing on a broken leg (don't take yourself out of a meaningless game Mr. Team)
c. Rush comment
d. TO drama
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:31:55 PM
and I wish McNabb would just grow up!
::) ::) ::)
I'll save PG the trouble, because this is the dumbest comment ever.
I broke 80 today. :yay
We played 27 holes at the club and the first nine, I played like shtein. Anyway, we took a break and then resumed the back nine. I crushed my tee shot on 10 and ended up with a 38 on the back nine after shooting a 50 on the front nine. :-D
We played 10-18 a second time and I shot 40 after missing a three foot birdie putt for a 77 on the combined 18 holes.
I'm stiff as a board now, though.
Just thought I'd share... :)
Yep, that is the dumbest comment. Funny, every Eagles fan will be crying when the season starts and instead of TO, you have handsome Greg. Watch your toes G-Lew....LJ, here comes a 100 MPH bullet on your 5-yard route, don't drop it....
As I see it, McNabb is making the situation WORST. "What can I do". Uhhh...you're the crowned king my friend...the HNIC....instead of doing your constant stand-up routine appease TO because without him you don't get past the NFC championship game.
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:46:04 PM
Yep, that is the dumbest comment. Funny, every Eagles fan will be crying when the season starts and instead of TO, you have handsome Greg. Watch your toes G-Lew....LJ, here comes a 100 MPH bullet on your 5-yard route, don't drop it....
As I see it, McNabb is making the situation WORST. "What can I do". Uhhh...you're the crowned king my friend...the HNIC....instead of doing your constant stand-up routine appease TO because without him you don't get past the NFC championship game.
The HNIC? Oh, man... another racist genius in our midst. ::)
That kind of shtein doesn't flush here, dude. If that's your schtick, you won't last long.
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:46:04 PM
Yep, that is the dumbest comment. Funny, every Eagles fan will be crying when the season starts and instead of TO, you have handsome Greg. Watch your toes G-Lew....LJ, here comes a 100 MPH bullet on your 5-yard route, don't drop it....
As I see it, McNabb is making the situation WORST. "What can I do". Uhhh...you're the crowned king my friend...the HNIC....instead of doing your constant stand-up routine appease TO because without him you don't get past the NFC championship game.
Boryla, is that you? Either way - you're a dumb mother farger.
That's okay...I'm out anyway. This board is retarded anyway. Bunch of dorky white dudes (sticking up for people that would slit your throats for a gold chain) on their laptops posting stuff about football and babes....and probably never played a game that didn't require an electrical outlet or seen a girl naked in person (wooo....jessica alba...catherine bell....)
Aiight ladies, it's Friday and I'm headed out. Keep up the good work and stop popping those pimples so close to your computer...the puss ruins the screen!
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:56:39 PM
That's okay...I'm out anyway. This board is retarded anyway. Bunch of dorky white dudes (sticking up for people that would slit your throats for a gold chain) on their laptops posting stuff about football and babes....and probably never played a game that didn't require an electrical outlet or seen a girl naked in person (wooo....jessica alba...catherine bell....)
Aiight ladies, it's Friday and I'm headed out. Keep up the good work and stop popping those pimples so close to your computer...the puss ruins the screen!
As long as you're leaving, would you mind picking up your white overcoat and pointy hat and taking it with you on your way back to the trailer park?
It's unsightly and no one here wants to touch it.
Love & kisses...
icehole.
Which one of you fargtards left a link at the EMB again?
I wish I could join in on this conversation, but it's hard to read the screen due to puss overload on my monitor.
Damn these pimples.
I interrupt my pimple-popping and electrical game playing to post this:
Limbaugh offers to mend fences! This guys is almost as nuts as TO (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081205/content/eib_nfl_update.guest.html)
QuoteThis rift cannot be allowed to continue, ladies and gentlemen. It just can't, and I would like to offer this program as a means of getting these two Americans and star players back together. They may not want to talk to each other face-to-face, but perhaps they would join me on this program and speak to each other telephonically via this program and settle this. It's silly. They're adults. They're being paid millions of dollars to play, basically, a game. I know it's a high-risk game injury-wise, but the length of time they have to make big money and play this game is limited because it's athletics.
QuoteSo I just wanted to make the offer and let everybody know I'm serious about it, and this program is available any time Donovan McNabb and Terrell Owens would like to avail themselves the opportunity for an impartial arbitrator to sit here and put these two guys back together -- at least sufficiently so that they could perform at peak level during the season. (interruption) Yeah, T.O. did say that Andy Reid told him to "shut up," and that his name is Owens, and nobody tells him to shut up. I'm not trying to broker anything here between T.O. and Andy Reid. Andy Reid is the coach of the team. He's in effect the boss of the team. You know, that's for T.O. and Andy Reid to work out. I would not intrude on that relationship. I mean these two guys, the same thing: they're players. They're both players. I know Donovan is a quarterback, the leader of the team, but this is not good for Eagles fans. We care about Eagles fans. We love Philadelphia on this program. I've been to Philadelphia for some of the most memorable moments in my life, so I owe the city -- and I'm serious. If somebody wants to spread the word, I'll sit here eagerly awaiting some sign that the two warring factions here are willing to avail themselves of this really unique and not-very-often offered opportunity.
LMAO!! I'm sure Donovan cannot dial Rush's phone number fast enough. What a dope.
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:56:39 PM
blah blah blah blah blah
Sir, your idiocy knows no bounds.
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:46:04 PM
Yep, that is the dumbest comment. Funny, every Eagles fan will be crying when the season starts and instead of TO, you have handsome Greg. Watch your toes G-Lew....LJ, here comes a 100 MPH bullet on your 5-yard route, don't drop it....
As I see it, McNabb is making the situation WORST. "What can I do". Uhhh...you're the crowned king my friend...the HNIC....instead of doing your constant stand-up routine appease TO because without him you don't get past the NFC championship game.
I had you pegged as a stupid ass racist the moment you brought up the "get out of jail free" cards. I bet you'd be happy with an 8-8 record as long we had white QB. Stupid fargtard.
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:56:39 PM
That's okay...I'm out anyway. This board is retarded anyway. Bunch of dorky white dudes (sticking up for people that would slit your throats for a gold chain) on their laptops posting stuff about football and babes....and probably never played a game that didn't require an electrical outlet or seen a girl naked in person (wooo....jessica alba...catherine bell....)
Aiight ladies, it's Friday and I'm headed out. Keep up the good work and stop popping those pimples so close to your computer...the puss ruins the screen!
Headed out? Klan meeting tonight at the barn, I presume?
I hope the next time you're out burning crosses, you slip and fall in a pile of cowshtein and catch your white hat on fire and die.
How's that for a night out?
How is someone pointing the finger at Mcnabb in all of this?? Cookoo.. .Cookoo :=)
Link (http://www.foryouto.com/pages/1/index.htm)
(http://www.foryouto.com/images/470_Black_Tshirt_Womens_FUTO.jpg)
(http://www.foryouto.com/images/220_Man_in_black_tshirt_FUTO.jpg)
Well that didn't take long :P
QuoteSo then I was thinking maybe you had more than 12 million people in your family. Do you? We have 4. 5 if you count my turtle. His name is Donovan McTurtle.
That's good stuff.
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:56:39 PM
That's okay...I'm out anyway. This board is retarded anyway. Bunch of dorky white dudes (sticking up for people that would slit your throats for a gold chain) on their laptops posting stuff about football and babes....and probably never played a game that didn't require an electrical outlet or seen a girl naked in person (wooo....jessica alba...catherine bell....)
Aiight ladies, it's Friday and I'm headed out. Keep up the good work and stop popping those pimples so close to your computer...the puss ruins the screen!
Do you use baby lotion or Jergens? farging putz.
Quote from: seansalisbury on August 12, 2005, 08:56:39 PM
That's okay...I'm out anyway. This board is retarded anyway. Bunch of dorky white dudes (sticking up for people that would slit your throats for a gold chain) on their laptops posting stuff about football and babes....and probably never played a game that didn't require an electrical outlet or seen a girl naked in person (wooo....jessica alba...catherine bell....)
Aiight ladies, it's Friday and I'm headed out. Keep up the good work and stop popping those pimples so close to your computer...the puss ruins the screen!
This guy makes Salisbury look like a Harvard graduate. His screen name should be David Duke.
QuoteRift reparable, Trotter says
He and Brian Dawkins are trying to mediate the Owens-McNabb feud.
By Shannon Ryan
Inquirer Staff Writer
BETHLEHEM, Pa. - Stuck in the middle is no longer just Jeremiah Trotter's position on defense.
The linebacker is both Donovan McNabb's training-camp roommate and Terrell Owens' phone-a-friend. If anyone knows whether the feuding teammates can rebuild burned bridges, it is Trotter.
So, can they?
"I believe they can," Trotter said. "I talk to T.O. every day. I talk to 5. We're roommates.... I believe that [Owens is] going to come back and everything is going to work out."
If there is a mending, the first stitches will be sewn Wednesday, when Owens can return from his one-week dismissal. Owens, who wants a new contract, was sent home on Wednesday after a heated argument with coach Andy Reid.
Owens and McNabb have not spoken since training camp started, and Owens called McNabb a hypocrite on television Thursday.
Trotter said he and safety Brian Dawkins are trying to act as mediators and keep the rift from tearing apart the Eagles.
"We're trying to hold this thing together," Trotter said. "But I guess we're going to need some more prayers."
Trotter can relate to being on the outs with the Eagles.
After the 2001 season, upset over his contract and angry with Reid, he left the Eagles for the taterskins. After two disappointing years with Washington, he had a change of heart, made up with Reid, rejoined the team, and had a tremendous Pro Bowl season last year.
Of course, Trotter never ripped his teammates after he left.
He also said the problems between Owens and McNabb are not new.
"I don't think it just became personal," he said. "It's been personal from day one."
Trotter believes the rift has not grown wide enough that the players cannot come together for a successful season.
"It still boils down to just a few people to make this thing work," he said.
While Owens' jabs at Reid, McNabb and offensive coordinator Brad Childress the last few days have surprised some, Trotter defended Owens. He said Owens can be outspoken but insisted that the wide receiver is a good teammate.
"Regardless of what people think about T.O., T.O's a good person at heart," Trotter said. "He's very outspoken. He says what's on his mind, but he's a good person at heart."
Trotter believes Owens will return on Wednesday and be ready to play.
"I know T.O.," he said. "He wants to play. That's the bottom line. I know Andy wants him here. Teammates want him here. We just have to get past this phase here and get in the season. I know T.O. He's a great competitor. I think everything is going to be fine."
I initially heard this from Sal Pal yesterday but didn't report it on here. I wanted to see if these were comments Dawk and Trotter made to more than just him. And I guess they were.
QuoteRift reparable, Trotter says
He and Brian Dawkins are trying to mediate the Owens-McNabb feud.
Shannon needs to get a better editor :P I am suprised how much dawk and trott are sticking by TO.
Quoterep·a·ra·ble
adj.
Possible to repair: reparable damage to the car; reparable wrongs.
:P
And I think its because they know they need him on the team.
Well i guess i need to go back to school :paranoid I was making up Repairable :sly
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 13, 2005, 08:30:54 AM
Well i guess i need to go back to school :paranoid I was making up Repairable :sly
You can use both. ;)
This thread has grown increasingly irreparable.
:-*
PS: Nice to see Dawk & the Choppa trying to mediate this ridiculous mess. That said, unless they're behavioral psychologists specializing in the treatment of paranoid schizophrenic narcissists, I doubt they'll have much luck reaching that fruitcake.
This shtein's getting so whacky, now the Inky has golf writer Joe Logan soliciting comments from former baskeball player Charles Barkley @ the PGA Championship:
QuotePosted on Sat, Aug. 13, 2005
Barkley can't support Owens
By Joe Logan
Inquirer Staff Writer
SPRINGFIELD, N.J. - Add Charles Barkley to the list of people disrespecting Terrell Owens.
"He is 100 percent wrong," said Barkley, holding forth yesterday during an impromptu session with a few reporters at the PGA Championship.
"I like T.O.," the former 76ers star said. "He's a great player, and he's my home brother from Alabama. But he is wrong - 100 percent wrong."
Barkley, who has spent the summer in Philadelphia, said he smelled trouble two weeks ago, when Owens began saying that he would report to the Eagles' training camp, but that he would be angry.
"I knew it was going to explode," Barkley said. "If he was going to be like this, he should have never gone to camp. You can not talk to the press, and you can not talk to the fans, but you cannot not talk to your coaches and teammates."
Barkley isn't buying the idea that Owens may be merely following the strategy of Drew Rosenhaus, his agent.
"That's a cop-out," Barkley said. "T.O. is a grown man. He can't be blaming Drew Rosenhaus."
How will T.O.'s saga end?
"There is no way he can go back now," Barkley said. "It's over."
Over?
For sure?
Barkley reconsidered for a moment.
"Well, they've got to get together Wednesday," he said of the day Owens is scheduled to return to practice. "That's D-Day. He has to come in, and he has to say, 'I am going to talk to the coaches and players.' "
Good God. :-D
I gotta say though, I agree with everything Barkley said.
Quote"I knew it was going to explode," Barkley said. "If he was going to be like this, he should have never gone to camp."
You got that right, Sir Charles!
Wow. 43 pages. I have tried to keep up, but if my opinion is redundant, please forgive. The way I see it the situation is retirevable under certain, limited circumstances - Best case game theory:
TO fires Rosenhaus. Best for both parties. DR has no payday in sight and that wouldn't be a problem for him except maybe his bruised ego for a few days. Repeat after me Drew - no payday for you anytime soon so what is your upside in this mess now?
TO then can lay-off the blame and his "temporary" loss of sanity over the past few months on the svengali Rosenhaus. Media and fans will buy into it sufficently (CF'ers excepted, of course!) to give TO another chance. (But even most of will likely also go along for obvious reasons)
TO must then call a truce. Brothers back in arms would be nice, but all one can hope for is a modicum of teammate civility and respect for chain-of-command while getting down to the business of winning during the regular season. This is TO's only shot at redemption and a subsequent payday somewhere else next year. But he must absolutely understand the FO's position - one slip or tales-out-of-school outburst and he goes home. (Is there a point where he earns credit for the season regardless of his antics afterwords? That is an inflection point in this drama for sure.)
TO plays out the year and then buh bye. We have time to see what we've got in current receivers as well as plan for additional ones next year.
TO then salvages his league value and can then land on some team willing to take a flyer like we did.
Any continuation of his current antics perhaps buys the effective end of his career as I believe as he will have a hard time eating lunch in any town again after the Eagles FO effectively scorches the next 12-18 months of his career, with the league in tacit agreement all the way.
Of course all the presumes a degree rationality on TO's thought process which is a big leap of faith, but to me it seems the only way out. At this point I do think TO underestimates the Eagles resolve and the hair-trigger that AR won't hesitate to pull at the next infraction. Again, sorry if I'm repeating others previously outlined thoughts...
im waiting on a full apology, and for him to put on the pads and earn a better contract.
So in other words JackStraw, you're holding out for a couple miracles. ;D
:-D
Rush Limbaugh wants to help T.O., McNabb settle dispute (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/specials/preview/2005/08/13/bc.fbn.eagles.limbaugh.ap/index.html)
QuoteThis time, Rush Limbaugh wants to help Donovan McNabb, not criticize him.
Limbaugh, who once said the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed, wants to help McNabb and wide receiver Terrell Owens settle their differences on his radio show.
"I am here to offer and to assist. I can," Limbaugh said on his nationally syndicated radio show Friday, according to a transcript on his Web site. "I could bring these two guys together. I've been there, folks, and I could do this, and I'm serious in my desire to do it."
Owens has been unhappy with the Eagles over his contract and took some of his frustration out at McNabb, calling the quarterback a hypocrite and saying the two of them could not be successful together.
McNabb insisted he wasn't stung by the criticism, laughing off the outrageous receiver's remarks before turning serious and telling Owens to "keep my name out of your mouth."
Limbaugh resigned from ESPN nearly two years ago after sparking outrage by saying on a pregame show that he didn't think McNabb was as good as perceived from the start.
"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said on "Sunday NFL Countdown."
Now Limbaugh wants to help mediate, inviting both Eagles to appear on his show.
"This rift cannot be allowed to continue, ladies and gentlemen. It just can't, and I would like to offer this program as a means of getting these two Americans and star players back together," Limbaugh said. "They may not want to talk to each other face-to-face, but perhaps they would join me on this program and speak to each other telephonically via this program and settle this."
That was already posted, CSD ;)
oh right like the eagles org. needs that loser to put the fire out. lmao :-D
It's a way to get himself some media attention ... well... a way that won't land his rotund behind in the clink.
Childress today:
"If a daily 'hi' is antagonizing or spiteful then I must be on the wrong planet."
"If being polite is antagonizing, then I've bothered about 200,000-300,000 people in my lifetime."
8)
Some of you need to find a sense of humor.
Peter King just said on the Giants/Browns pre-game show that Freddie Mitchell is talking to T.O. every day and also has spoken to Andy Reid a few times, in hopes of helping to broker a peace.
I'm not kidding. This is one farged up situation right here.
Guess who's at the Ravens/Falcons game? :deion
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 13, 2005, 08:48:17 PM
Guess who's at the Ravens/Falcons game? :deion
Trade him to Atlanta and see how long it takes him to verbally rip Ron Mexico to shreds.
Quote from: NGM on August 13, 2005, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 13, 2005, 08:48:17 PM
Guess who's at the Ravens/Falcons game? :deion
Trade him to Atlanta and see how long it takes him to verbally rip Ron Mexico to shreds.
Better wear protection, or TO will be suffering from "cold sores." :paranoid
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 13, 2005, 06:54:44 PM
Childress today:
"If a daily 'hi' is antagonizing or spiteful then I must be on the wrong planet."
"If being polite is antagonizing, then I've bothered about 200,000-300,000 people in my lifetime."
8)
I heard about what a fleshpophead he was. I tell you, these trouble makers get me so pissed off!
So much for the Bahamas. :-D
If this wasn't already a 3-ring circus, the addition of Mitchell trying to broker peace would be the kicker.
(http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4334/tofalconsgame0ay.jpg)
Wonder how many meals them diamond earrings set his family back :paranoid
TO for Freddie Mitchell!
Quote from: BlueHeart on August 13, 2005, 09:14:15 PM
So much for the Bahamas. :-D
If this wasn't already a 3-ring circus, the addition of Mitchell trying to broker peace would be the kicker.
TO's comment about the Bahamas was in jest...."Going to the Bahamas to get a tan" ??
LOL
The first time Vick pulls a ball down and takes off running when TO is wide open, TO will shtein himself. And Greg Knapp is the Falcons OC. I bet he'd handcuff himself to Arthur Blanks desk in protest if they went after TO. I know they won't because Blank said he won't like TO on his team...
One of the guys on WIP said today how much do you want to bet that TO shows up at the Ravens/Falcons game tonight...looks like he was right. :-D
And did I read that Freddie f'in Mitchell was trying to play Chuck Woolery in Philadelphia's version of the dating game? Hilarious.
TO can make all the noise he wants, but Banner has him by the balls.
TO IS NOT GOING TO ATLANTA!!
the eagles would forfeit the season before that happened
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2005, 08:41:11 AM
TO IS NOT GOING TO ATLANTA!!
the eagles would forfeit the season before that happened
So would the Falcons.
Quote
T.O. vows 'a season for the ages'
BETHLEHEM, Pa. - Terrell Owens thanked fans for their support, said he would be in camp on Wednesday, and vowed "a season for the ages" in a message posted on his Web site on Friday.
On www.terrellowens.com, a letter to fans from the Web page staff said that Owens will not be a distraction when he returns from his one-week dismissal, which resulted from a run-in the wide receiver had on Wednesday with coach Andy Reid.
"During practice and work-related situations he has been and will be attentive and responsive," the statement said. "Terrell only asks what every other worker in America asks for, respect and dignity."
Owens showed up at the Ravens-Falcons preseason game in Atlanta last night. He had not talked to many teammates or coaches while in camp, which the Web site said was Owens' way of behaving.
"Terrell has gone out of his way to diffuse the tension by keeping to himself in all non-practice related affairs," it said.
Apparently, Owens did not want media attention when he appeared in his front yard last week shirtless and doing sit-ups while conducting interviews the day he was kicked out of training camp.
The Web site claims that his image has taken a hit because he is a victim of the media.
"Regrettably, recent events have unfolded in a way that may paint a negative picture of Terrell," it said. "This situation has mushroomed far beyond what should be considered adequate coverage, and Terrell has become the media's favorite whipping boy. While this is discouraging, Terrell knows this is part of the business."
An argument between Owens and Reid, Owens said this week, resulted from a conversation based on Owens' skipping out on a second autograph session for fans.
The statement said that Owens' fans have been a motivating force for the receiver.
"This positive reinforcement has inspired Terrell to work as hard as he can to improve on last year's standout season. He plans to catch more balls than he ever has, and believes his on-the-field heroics will far outweigh any off-field criticism thrown his way. Through his actions, Terrell has continued to defy the negative speculation that has surrounded him, and he has proven himself to be a professional."
Dear TO,
Please let Trot and Dawkins talk sense into you. Please come back and just become as much of the team as you possibly can. Please, for the first time in your life, be the bigger person and say that you're sorry to Reid, Childress AND your QB.
Most of us know that with you the way you were last year, this team has a chance to get back to the SB and win it. With you acting like you have been this year, or with you not on the team? No so much.
And please, DO that final thing....catch more balls than you ever have and make this a season for the ages.
Sincerely,
PG
From your mouth to God's ears, PG.
... Where are hbionic's kharma posts when we need them?
Dear TO-
Please let Trot, Dawk and rjs douse you in lighter fluid and light your crotch on fire. RJS promises that he won't let you die and will put you out by urinating on your burning midsection.
Love,
RJS
Anyone else just catch Sports Reporters? Some idiot was sayign that the NFL needs to rid itself of Terrell Owens.
So let me get this straight.....wife beaters, coke dealers, lying witnesses to murder, players that intentionally hit others with their car, drunk drivers who KILL people with their car, drug users, deadbeat daddies and illegal gun toters can all be a part of the NFL, but pouty, loudmouth babies who cry that they want bigger contracts should be shown the door?
What the farg has this turned into here already?
I hear ya' PG. Although I really don't care about most players one way or the other, the media will imortalize a guy like Ray Lewis and trash a guy like TO. Makes you wonder.
Eh the way I see it, Andy Reid didn't TO getting all the negative media attention during the season, such as the Nicole Sheridan incident, so he told him to go out and get as much attention as possible now, before the season started. TO is in heaven right now, with the way the media was eating up his workout session on his front yard. Hopefully Dawk and Trotter bring him to he senses. As long as he's catching lots of TDs, and the Eagles are winning, I really don't care what going on off the field. Mcnabb and TO could be mortal enemies for all I care, as long as they get it done on the field...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2005, 02:15:32 AM
One of the guys on WIP said today how much do you want to bet that TO shows up at the Ravens/Falcons game tonight...looks like he was right. :-D
(http://home.comcast.net/~beermonkey/to_in_atl.jpg)
:-D
http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/081205-to-1.wmv
Ummm... wtf was with the racial comments?
Whew. That guy needs help. Bad.
:-\
Quote from: T.O._81_RIP on August 14, 2005, 01:13:11 PM
Whew. That guy needs help. Bad.
:-\
*looking at your sig*
Pot, kettle, black. :P
I just laughed out loud reading this article...funny stuff:
QuoteBob Ford | No mellow drama when turbulent T.O. returns
By Bob Ford
Inquirer Columnist
Well, it's a new week for the Philadelphia Eagles, and I don't know about you, but I think it will be hard for them to top the last one.
It isn't every training-camp week in which the star receiver can tell the head coach to shut up, call the quarterback a hypocrite, and then continue his training regimen on the worst-looking lawn in Moorestown.
Of course, for Terrell Owens, who has starred in these dramas before, it was pretty much like any other week in the distant land of Like I Care.
If all goes according to plan - you mean someone in this thing has a plan? - Owens will return to the Eagles on Wednesday at the NovaCare training facility. Regardless of how his actions last week were received, Owens was able to cut several days off his stay in Bethlehem, Pa. For anyone who thinks he's crazy, I offer that as contradictory evidence. Michelangelo could have painted the Sistine Chapel in two days up there.
Owens is scheduled to return to practice with the team and, oh, my, this is going to attract attention from television, radio, newspapers, wire services, magazines, Web sites, bloggers, streaming audio obtainers, still photographers, film producers, national sportscasting talents who wear shorts with the tie and blazer and still think that's hip, book agents, satellite-radio yakkers, music impresarios, still more Web sites, and a bunch of people who arrive late because the media parking lot is overflowing and the cops are towing cars on Pattison Avenue.
And this mauling, moldering mob will move like a roving dust mop around the facility, jam the locker room, haunt the practices, and wait impatiently for the next nut to fall on the car hood.
All in all, it should be entertaining.
It will, in fact, be much more entertaining than what you will watch tonight when the Eagles open the exhibition season in Pittsburgh. Any NFL team that enters a game, even a meaningless game, with none of its top three wide receivers from the previous season is playing a difficult hand.
Maybe the Eagles would be able to pull this off for an entire season, but that isn't the way to bet. Something has to give, and this is the week we begin to find out what will give first.
Anyone who has watched this organization operate like a canning factory for the last six seasons can guess what might happen.
Owens will come back - fatigues, shades, backward ball cap, headphones - and he will be summoned at some point to Headmaster Reid's office and will be told that he must smile; talk; bond; answer "Here" promptly at all team meetings; say "Hey, Brad," if offensive coordinator Brad Childress should happen to say "Hey, Terrell"; and, in general, begin to act like those great teammates back at BYU who maybe weren't the most talented but were all darned good guys who flew around like crazy out there and really got after it.
Ill words will follow, and Owens will be either waived, traded or put on some little-known Voluntary Failure to Talk List that Joe Banner just invented on the spot. Either way, Owens will be gone, and a nation will turn its lonely eyes to Reggie Brown and Justin Jenkins.
Now, before we get to that place - and it will be a very scary place, indeed - maybe it's time to consider a once-popular question that fell sharply out of favor last week:
Why can't this thing with Owens still work?
Let him come back and don't talk to him, either. Silently dare him to live up to his promise to play hard and play well on the field this season.
I mean, really, you like it better when he's talking?
When it comes down to it, even Owens, and even his agent, Johnny Brain Surgeon, will realize that this might be the final free-agent season of the receiver's career, if they choose to see it that way.
If he has a good year, he will either be able to sign with the highest bidder or he will get his approximately $8 million third-year salary from the Eagles, which will buy you a lot of lawn care at the age of 32.
It beats sitting out this season, and it beats killing the courage of the last three NFL general managers who might still take a chance on him.
Let him come in. Let him continue to sulk like a 12-year-old. Let him catch 80 balls for 1,200 yards and 14 touchdowns. Hey, it could happen.
I know, I know. He told the head coach to shut up and called the quarterback a hypocrite.
So what?
If that came from someone who had the respect of the locker room, it might be a problem. But it came from Terrell Owens, who is viewed by his teammates as nothing more than a comical wack job these days. Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb probably have more support from the team than they did before. Owens is bringing people together, just like he always said he wanted.
That's the plan. Don't ask, don't answer. See you in Detroit.
And, anyway, next week would be so boring without him.
http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_22197418.shtml
QuoteWhen approached by reporters after practice, Walker seemed amused by the attention. After saying "no comment" several times, Walker started to laugh.
"I sound like T.O., don't I?" Walker said, referring to his friend, Philadelphia Eagles receiver Terrell Owens. Walker then fell to the ground and started doing sit-ups, as Owens did in front of reporters at his home last week
:-D
Any guesses on who the first NFL player who will imitate TO's front-yard workout (curls/situps) after scoring a TD against the Eagles this year?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2005, 08:35:00 AM
Any guesses on who the first NFL player who will imitate TO's front-yard workout (curls/situps) after scoring a TD against the Eagles this year?
Our D won't be letting anyone in the endzone. :evil :evil :evil ;)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 15, 2005, 08:37:38 AMOur D won't be letting anyone in the endzone. :evil :evil :evil ;)
i like the way you think kid!
Man, even Stephen A is off the TO bandwagon. Yikes.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/12376805.htm
I just read the terrellowens.com update, and I have to say "I believe him."
I think everything is going to be alllllll-riiiight.......
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 15, 2005, 09:12:46 AM
Man, even Stephen A is off the TO bandwagon. Yikes.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/12376805.htm
Please don't make me register.
SAS is now blasting away on WIP...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2005, 09:51:21 AM
SAS is now blasting away on WIP...
Please keep us out of towners or better yet, out of country folk informed on what he says today. I'm at work, can't get WIP and I had to take my home PC in to get it serviced. I will be watching the game tonight (or rather, tomorrow morning, as it will be 1am when it starts).
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 15, 2005, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2005, 09:51:21 AM
SAS is now blasting away on WIP...
Please keep us out of towners or better yet, out of country folk informed on what he says today. I'm at work, can't get WIP and I had to take my home PC in to get it serviced. I will be watching the game tonight (or rather, tomorrow morning, as it will be 1am when it starts).
You actually care what Screamin has to say on anything? lol
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 15, 2005, 09:54:20 AM
Please keep us out of towners or better yet, out of country folk informed on what he says today.
blah blah, yap yap, blah yapitity yap yap.
there, i sumed up his entire career for you. no need to thank me.
QuoteHe had me until the sit-ups.
Before that spectacle at his home on Wednesday afternoon - and it can be described as nothing else - Terrell Owens had a case.
There was a $48,724,000 contract. There were legitimate concerns about whether the Eagles would honor it entirely. There was a system that appears far from player-friendly. And a birth certificate that mandates that he look out for his self-interest.
But after that fiasco at his home in Moorestown, which would give any circus a run for its money, Owens has become a caricature of himself. The situation has surpassed embarrassing. So much so that regardless of his case, its merits or any genuine passion behind it, his actions simply cannot be defended any longer.
A player can't be defended when he tells his offensive coordinator not to speak to him unless he's spoken to. No player can be defended when he continues to take one jab after another at a teammate who has said nothing about him, especially when that teammate happens to be Donovan McNabb, the star.
Such flagrant insubordination, disrespect and defiance can never be tolerated - even if Eagles coach Andy Reid told Owens to shut up, as Owens claimed Reid did.
Reid and the Eagles' organization would be absolute fools to tolerate any more of this nonsense.
And the rest of us would be fools to grant Owens the benefit of the doubt any longer.
Myself included.
While a city strapped itself to the Eagles' cause, spewing venom in Owens' direction because of his contract squabbles and the egregious manner in which he allowed his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, to handle things, I never saw much of a problem.
What I saw was Owens' 1,200 yards and 14 touchdowns; the infusion of some personality that the Eagles desperately needed; and McNabb's 3,875-yard output, along with 31 TD passes, last season.
Owens has a seven-year deal. His talent screams that he's worth every penny of the $48.7 million and then some. And because a collective-bargaining agreement allows the Eagles to go to a player to cut his salary or waive any long-term obligations, I see no problem with a player's attempting to revisit his contractual situation if he performs up to par.
Particularly when the alternative is Greg Lewis and some no-name who may not even end up being better than Todd Pinkston.
But taking into account Owens' petulance and insubordination and then his pleas for sympathy - with Rosenhaus literally holding his hand - the situation is downright sickening, no longer capable of being stomached.
If Owens was so insulted, so frustrated by Reid's telling him to shut up, why didn't he just leave training camp, go away and vent his frustration, after getting the week off?
Why did he go home and entertain a media contingent he had spent a week ignoring?
Why did he shoot basketballs, lift weights, and do sit-ups in his yard to entertain the reporters?
Where was the frustration? The anger? The look that's on the faces of most people who have been "disrespected," as Owens has continuously claimed to have been over the last few weeks?
I didn't see that on Wednesday when he was talking to the media. I saw too much of it on Thursday while he was sitting side-by-side with Rosenhaus, getting interviewed by everyone but Barbara Walters.
Meanwhile, the one person displaying class in this whole ordeal ends up being the one person insulted by Owens the most.
"I still, to this day, see no reason for us to talk," McNabb said, responding to Owens' saying he had no desire to speak to the quarterback. "When we step on this field, it's all about business. We're professionals that line up and do the right thing."
The right thing for Owens still could have had everything to do with pursuing a new contract. He could have stayed unhappy, let it be known, maintained his rift with McNabb and a few others, and simply gone about his business.
Instead, he keeps going too far. He even claims now that he signed a secret waiver to play in the Super Bowl - a claim the Eagles categorically deny. He signs autographs for kids when the cameras are away after refusing for days to sign them when the cameras were rolling.
The situation has surpassed ridiculous purely because Owens appears to have no clue about how ridiculous he looks.
"I'm a good teammate," he said. "Just because I don't speak to a couple of guys doesn't mean anything. I have no desire to speak to [McNabb]."
Well, that's smart - a receiver has no desire to develop chemistry with the guy assigned to throw him the ball.
Brilliant! Now let's see if it gets him a new contract.
Sadly, we know it won't happen. At least not to Owens' liking.
It's time to dismiss this case.
Quote from: MURP on August 15, 2005, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 15, 2005, 09:54:20 AM
Please keep us out of towners or better yet, out of country folk informed on what he says today.
blah blah, yap yap, blah yapitity yap yap.
there, i sumed up his entire career for you. no need to thank me.
:-D :-D :-D
he basically reiterated what he wrote...btw he didnt raise his voice one time much less scream
he said that whenever he writes a critical piece on anyone he calls them first to let them that its coming.....he tried to do this with TO but his cell number was changed...he then tried to call rosenhaus who didnt return his call...he was like eff it they gotta read it in the paper then
stephen a is the mack
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 15, 2005, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2005, 09:51:21 AM
SAS is now blasting away on WIP...
Please keep us out of towners or better yet, out of country folk informed on what he says today. I'm at work, can't get WIP and I had to take my home PC in to get it serviced. I will be watching the game tonight (or rather, tomorrow morning, as it will be 1am when it starts).
He pretty much echoed his statements in the column that MMH linked.
He said that he hasn't talked to TO in awhile and when he tried to call him before he wrote the column, he found out that TO had changed his cellphone number. He said that he always calls athletes prior to blasting them to ask for comment, but he couldn't do it this time. He said he tried to call Rosenhaus to get in contact and was never gotten back to by Drew so he said "the hell with it" and wrote it anyways.
He said that he thinks things will only get worse and that TO is the most stubborn person he's ever met. He always thinks he right so he sees no option out there where he comes in and shuts up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2005, 09:57:35 AM
he basically reiterated what he wrote...btw he didnt raise his voice one time much less scream
he said that whenever he writes a critical piece on anyone he calls them first to let them that its coming.....he tried to do this with TO but his cell number was changed...he then tried to call rosenhaus who didnt return his call...he was like eff it they gotta read it in the paper then
stephen a is the mack
So not surprised that you think so. ::)
likewise shocking that you hate him
Quote
Owens has a seven-year deal. His talent screams that he's worth every penny of the $48.7 million and then some. And because a collective-bargaining agreement allows the Eagles to go to a player to cut his salary or waive any long-term obligations, I see no problem with a player's attempting to revisit his contractual situation if he performs up to par.
So SAS thinkks that if you perform up to expectations you should be able to get a new contract for yourself? What kind of backwards-ass logic does this shteinhead use?
So SAS thinkks that if you perform up to expectations you should be able to get a new contract for yourself? What kind of backwards-ass logic does this shteinhead use?
no he thinks a player has the right to try and re-do an existing contract just as the team has the right to cut the player under that same contract
i wholeheartedly agree with that...but it has to be taken on an individual basis...and in TO's case he has no ground to stand on
now if you look at a javion walker or a westbrook then its a different story
No matter what he thinks, and what you agree with, he's wrong. The CBA has the rules listed, agreed to by each side -- management and players association. Until those rules change, NO PLAYER has the RIGHT to a new contract. They can ask, they can beg, and they can wish -- but the rules are there to be played under by both sides.
And my point was, by SAS's logic, a player who is on par with expectations should have the opportunity to renegotiate. That is, quite simply, stupid-talk.
NO PLAYER has the RIGHT to a new contract.
no but they have a right to ask...and many players get one...TO isnt going to be one of them and he shouldnt...but you act as if players dont ask for and get new contracts every year
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on August 15, 2005, 10:34:27 AM
And my point was, by SAS's logic, a player who is on par with expectations should have the opportunity to renegotiate. That is, quite simply, stupid-talk.
That's assuming the player has what could be at least construed as an equitable deal. TO, a year into his contract for good money, obviously has an equitable deal. Hines Ward, a consummate team player and professional, does not. Ward is on par with expectations; however, is contract is up to par with his actual value.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 15, 2005, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 15, 2005, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2005, 09:51:21 AM
SAS is now blasting away on WIP...
Please keep us out of towners or better yet, out of country folk informed on what he says today. I'm at work, can't get WIP and I had to take my home PC in to get it serviced. I will be watching the game tonight (or rather, tomorrow morning, as it will be 1am when it starts).
You actually care what Screamin has to say on anything? lol
I just like to keep updated on anything he says about the Eagles. I'm working days this week, and I only have internet access while I'm at work, since mine is in the shop.
Thanks, everyone.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 15, 2005, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on August 15, 2005, 10:34:27 AM
And my point was, by SAS's logic, a player who is on par with expectations should have the opportunity to renegotiate. That is, quite simply, stupid-talk.
That's assuming the player has what could be at least construed as an equitable deal. TO, a year into his contract for good money, obviously has an equitable deal. Hines Ward, a consummate team player and professional, does not. Ward is on par with expectations; however, is contract is up to par with his actual value.
I understand that. My problem isn't with the people that signed long-term deals early in their careers and have unquestionably outperformed it. My problem is when a guy makes more money than probably all of us put together will see in a lifetime, and complains that he needs or wants more.
However, even when a player who has a contract that is not equitable to the performance, they are still part of the NFLPA and have to live with the CBA. Yes, they can ask for a raise and a new contract, but management has no requirement to give it toi him. If they ask, and the answer is "NO", well that's too bad because the rules are there. As has been pointed out, I have yet to see a player go to management and say "You're really paying me too much for what I'm giving the team. Let's lower my salary." Is it a risk to some players to play that last year of a low contract while performing way above expectations? Yes. But it's still a contract, that should be honored if both sides don't agree on redoing it. A team takes risk on that last year as well -- treat your star player poorly, and you run the risk of losing him to FA. And that's why contracts get redone -- to keep the player happy, and to minimize the team risk.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on August 15, 2005, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 15, 2005, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on August 15, 2005, 10:34:27 AM
And my point was, by SAS's logic, a player who is on par with expectations should have the opportunity to renegotiate. That is, quite simply, stupid-talk.
That's assuming the player has what could be at least construed as an equitable deal. TO, a year into his contract for good money, obviously has an equitable deal. Hines Ward, a consummate team player and professional, does not. Ward is on par with expectations; however, is contract is up to par with his actual value.
I understand that. My problem isn't with the people that signed long-term deals early in their careers and have unquestionably outperformed it. My problem is when a guy makes more money than probably all of us put together will see in a lifetime, and complains that he needs or wants more.
However, even when a player who has a contract that is not equitable to the performance, they are still part of the NFLPA and have to live with the CBA. Yes, they can ask for a raise and a new contract, but management has no requirement to give it toi him. If they ask, and the answer is "NO", well that's too bad because the rules are there. As has been pointed out, I have yet to see a player go to management and say "You're really paying me too much for what I'm giving the team. Let's lower my salary." Is it a risk to some players to play that last year of a low contract while performing way above expectations? Yes. But it's still a contract, that should be honored if both sides don't agree on redoing it. A team takes risk on that last year as well -- treat your star player poorly, and you run the risk of losing him to FA. And that's why contracts get redone -- to keep the player happy, and to minimize the team risk.
Teams frequently tell players they must renegotiate their salary or be cut. Those renegotiations to help the team don't give the player more money. In fact, his salary is probably decreased.
That's not a case of a player going to management sayinghe underperformed, as I said. The closest I saw was Marshall Faulk voluntarily renegotiating his contract for lower money to fit in Torry Holt's new numbers. And you have to agree that is a case of one in thousands.
The best article I've read yet on the T.O subject.
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/andrew_perloff/08/10/perloff.wrs/index.html/)
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 15, 2005, 12:46:51 PM
The best article I've read yet on the T.O subject.
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/andrew_perloff/08/10/perloff.wrs/index.html/)
I posted that link a while ago, jerk. Quit stealing my thunder!
You'll get your comeuppance! Comeuppance!!
King actually wrote a decent article:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/08/15/mmqb/index.html
Most people ignore you from what I read, so I wanted to put it up for "the others" to see. :P
for what its worth, Jaws thinks the Eagles should get rid of TO asap.
Quote from: MURP on August 15, 2005, 01:15:04 PM
for what its worth, Jaws thinks the Eagles should get rid of TO asap.
Get Jaws!
......
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2005, 01:43:46 PM
......
This may be the single smartest thing IGY has ever chronicaled!!
Mods -- I nominate this as the 2005 Post of the Year Award
This may be the single smartest thing IGY has ever chronicaled!!
it would seem that way...except the only reason i posted it was because my original post was in the wrong thread...thus igy's moronic ways continue....
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 15, 2005, 12:52:31 PM
King actually wrote a decent article:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/08/15/mmqb/index.html
Actually, that's one of the best I've seen during the "TO Crisis".
QuoteThe Contract: When Owens signed his seven-year, $49 million deal last year, he said nothing about the injustice of it. And why would he? The Eagles rescued him from a bad situation. The Eagles did not make him play under his existing contract, which they had every right to do. They tore up the contract and agreed to pay Owens $21 million in bonus money and salary over the first three years of the deal. That made Owens, along with Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss, one of the highest-paid receivers in football -- behind the other two, but not by much. Owens' new agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said that Owens is not even among the top 10 highest-paid receivers in the game, which is nonsense. Rosenhaus is taking Owens' 2005 salary ($3.25 million) as if it exists in a vacuum, without the approximately $16 million in bonus money due Owens in the first three years of the contract. It is reprehensible to claim a deal that was just fine in year one is suddenly so onerous in year two -- not to mention how absurd it is to ask a team to tear up a contract after the first year of a seven-year deal.
Quote"When I was in Philadelphia, it was like a benign tumor. I knew it was gonna get malignant eventually and now it has. But they can't cut it out right now. They have to wait till the end of the year to do the surgery. What they have to do right now is give that tumor some chemo so it's manageable for the rest of the year."
-- Former Eagles receiver Freddie Mitchell, now a Chief, comparing the relationship between Owens and the Eagles to cancer.
Is it wrong of me to hope that Mitchell gets "Stingley'd" on the field?
:-*
Freddie Mitchell is basically saying that TO is blackmailing the Eagles? If the Eagles give him some money he will be quiet for this year, if they dont, he will act like a jackass all season?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 15, 2005, 02:40:12 PM
Is it wrong of me to hope that Mitchell gets "Stingley'd" on the field?
Off-topic but I just saw where Spads said this about Mitchell:
QuoteThey (coaching) didn't like Freddie from the time he screwed up the route in St. Louis.
Thank god they didnt hold a grudge. ::)
They should have cut him after that season if that's the case.
Eagles inform Owens in writing of behavior issues (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2134879)
QuoteUpdated: Aug. 15, 2005, 3:58 PM ET
Eagles inform Owens in writing of behavior issuesESPN.com news services
Related Video:
Reid to meet with T.O. upon his return
The Philadelphia Eagles have sent wide receiver Terrell Owens a letter outlining what they perceive is a series of behavioral problems over the last two weeks, a league source told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.
Owens acknowledged in a conversation on Monday with ESPN's Michael Irvin that he had received the letter.
The letter was sent over the weekend and arrived at Owens' home in Atlanta on Monday, two days before he is scheduled to meet with head coach Andy Reid at the Eagles' practice facility.
A source characterized the letter as the beginning of a process to suspend Owens from the team if Owens' behavior does not change after that meeting takes place. Owens is expected, according to the Eagles, to rejoin the team on Wednesday, but Reid has said he would only allow Owens back on the field if he sees a marked change in his behavior and attitude.
I'm guessing they didn't fax it...
NFL Live (yes, I know.....ESPN) says that TO wants to be paid like Mike Vick and Peyton Manning :-D
T.O. is absolutely out of his gord. I don't even care what happens with him now.
TO got a letter from the eagles...the other day...he opened and read it
it said they were suckers....they wanted him for their team or whatever...picture him given a damn...he said never
here is a team that never gave a damn...about a brother like him because they got their own plan...and because they never did...he wasnt with it...but just that very minute....it occured to him...the suckers had authority...
From Bayless' Page2 article:
QuoteIf the Eagles lose without Owens, the fans who have turned on him now will all but riot for the Eagles to bring him back
I'm guessing that would never true.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050815
Quote from: Beermonkey on August 15, 2005, 04:09:15 PM
Eagles inform Owens in writing of behavior issues (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2134879)
QuoteUpdated: Aug. 15, 2005, 3:58 PM ET
Eagles inform Owens in writing of behavior issuesESPN.com news services
Related Video:
Reid to meet with T.O. upon his return
The Philadelphia Eagles have sent wide receiver Terrell Owens a letter outlining what they perceive is a series of behavioral problems over the last two weeks, a league source told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio.
Owens acknowledged in a conversation on Monday with ESPN's Michael Irvin that he had received the letter.
The letter was sent over the weekend and arrived at Owens' home in Atlanta on Monday, two days before he is scheduled to meet with head coach Andy Reid at the Eagles' practice facility.
A source characterized the letter as the beginning of a process to suspend Owens from the team if Owens' behavior does not change after that meeting takes place. Owens is expected, according to the Eagles, to rejoin the team on Wednesday, but Reid has said he would only allow Owens back on the field if he sees a marked change in his behavior and attitude.
nice. im glad the steps to getting this issue over with are in motion (no matter what the outcome ends up being.)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2005, 04:27:57 PM
TO got a letter from the eagles...the other day...he opened and read it
it said they were suckers....they wanted him for their team or whatever...picture him given a damn...he said never
here is a team that never gave a damn...about a brother like him because they got their own plan...and because they never did...he wasnt with it...but just that very minute....it occured to him...the suckers had authority...
Can someone please translate this for the hip hop impaired?
???
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 15, 2005, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2005, 04:27:57 PM
TO got a letter from the eagles...the other day...he opened and read it
it said they were suckers....they wanted him for their team or whatever...picture him given a damn...he said never
here is a team that never gave a damn...about a brother like him because they got their own plan...and because they never did...he wasnt with it...but just that very minute....it occured to him...the suckers had authority...
Can someone please translate this for the hip hop impaired?
???
Public Enemy
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 15, 2005, 04:38:24 PM
Can someone please translate this for the hip hop impaired?
???
lmfao
Public Enemy
wow...nicely done
just for that your get another point
looks like a Penn State football final score now. nice.
Quote from: MURP on August 15, 2005, 02:45:35 PM
Freddie Mitchell is basically saying that TO is blackmailing the Eagles? If the Eagles give him some money he will be quiet for this year, if they dont, he will act like a jackass all season?
I thought Freddie and TO were talking almost everyday and are/were best of buds. I figured Freddie who hates McNabb and the Eagles (hate may be strong word, but severly dislike) and that Freddie was a big part of feeding TO anti-McNabb ideas.
Now reading these quotes, maybe TO & Freddie aren't so cozy? I don't know, but either way Freddie needs to move on, stay out of the Eagles, TO, and McNabb's business.
(http://www.concretefield.net/uploads/Mad-Lad/sofaking.jpg)
that is classic. nice one Lad
I LOVE THAT!
I should send him that on his cell phone.... :-D
I think that should be a interchangeable picture with TO.
Quote from: MURP on August 15, 2005, 04:55:36 PM
looks like a Penn State football final score now. nice.
:-D It does.
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6985/398/1600/14_owens_atl5.jpg)
did anyone else see this pic from the falcons preseason game? is it me, or does that little girl look like she wants to kick his ass?
yeah, someone posted it earlier...with a photoshop thought bubble. lol
Dallas fan over the TO thing:
QuoteDing Dong, the witch is dead. May the new NFC East King rule for another decade! Go Cowboys!
LMFAO
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 16, 2005, 11:36:27 AM
Dallas fan over the TO thing:
QuoteDing Dong, the witch is dead. May the new NFC East King rule for another decade! Go Cowboys!
LMFAO
:-D :puke
I would consider wagering that T.O. has more TD's this year for the Eagles than Bledsoe has for the Cowboys.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 16, 2005, 11:36:27 AM
Dallas fan over the TO thing:
QuoteDing Dong, the witch is dead. May the new NFC East King rule for another decade! Go Cowboys!
LMFAO
Not with their Offense. If their line doesn't improve Bledsoe will break Carr's sack record.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 16, 2005, 11:36:27 AM
Dallas fan over the TO thing:
QuoteDing Dong, the witch is dead. May the new NFC East King rule for another decade! Go Cowboys!
LMFAO
I work with a Cowboys fan who thinks the same way. Talk about delusional! LOL! :-D
Quote from: TexasEagle on August 16, 2005, 12:52:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 16, 2005, 11:36:27 AM
Dallas fan over the TO thing:
QuoteDing Dong, the witch is dead. May the new NFC East King rule for another decade! Go Cowboys!
LMFAO
Not with their Offense. If their line doesn't improve Bledsoe will break Carr's sack record.
There's no way Bledsoe survives half that beating.
Tony Romo = Super Bowl MVP
QuoteSOME EAGLES PLAN TO MEET WITH REID
As Terrell Owens prepares to return from a team-imposed one-week exile, word out of Philly is that a group of players plan to seek out coach/G.M. Andy Reid and request that the situation involving T.O. be resolved.
One way or the other.
Whether he gets more money (good luck in hell, snowball) or gets run out of town (good luck in the furnace, too), there is a feeling in the locker room among some players that they just want the whole thing to be over.
The organization's response to that sentiment likely would be to say that it will be over when T.O. honors his contract and acts professionally and appropriately within the context of a football team. The incessant silent treatment and the "don't f--k with me" demeanor contributed to last week's brouhaha -- so if Owens would merely get the stick out of his sphincter, the problem would be solved.
But, frankly, we don't see that happening. Word is that both sides are making plans for a looming battle of lawyers and letterhead, with the team likely to try to suspend Owens -- and toll his 2005 contract -- if he continues to cause problems.
Still, even though the organization decided weeks ago to make an example out of Owens if he acts up, and even though Reid, Joe Banner, and Jeff Lurie have the resolve, the resources, and the smarts to make it happen, they need to consider at some point the potential damage to the franchise's broader interests that could occur if/when other players grow weary of the three-ring circus.
Didn't see this posted anywhere.
Thought this might add a little humor to the saga.
ForYouTO.com (http://www.foryouto.com/pages/1/index.htm)
Bye Bye Birdy (http://www.bangcartoon.com/byebyebirdy.htm)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/misc11.jpg)
Quote from: Jake on August 17, 2005, 03:41:24 PM
Didn't see this posted anywhere.
Thought this might add a little humor to the saga.
ForYouTO.com (http://www.foryouto.com/pages/1/index.htm)
Bye Bye Birdy (http://www.bangcartoon.com/byebyebirdy.htm)
Both been posted already, farg you very much. :D
yeah I think its time this thread sleeps with the fishes.