Any odds that Patterson and Walker start the season and Simon comes into the rotation ast the #3? I mean, the Eagles already have that franchise money ready for him, doesnt matter from a cash standpoint if he starts/sits etc. If he is out of shape and Patterson turns out to be a stud..... just sayin..
The ideal situation is that we have 3 (possibly maybe) 4 starting caliber DTs and they rotate and stay fresh and it doesn't matter who starts. I don't know how close to reality that is, but it would be a helluva nice situation to have.
While it wouldn't bother me, i don't know if i see it happening. Simon knows the system and i'm sure JJ's much more comfortable having him in than a rook.
Ah I think Rayburn will start over Patterson, I think Rayburn is our best DT, if he stays healthy. Truck Driver :yay
I don't know...the fact that he's making all of that money this year makes me believe they won't use him as a backup.
I hope he sits out the season and gives that fatass rookie a chance to make the squad. I love the whole 'quick DT' thing, but gimme a real lardass who can force the running plays outside and I'll be a lot happier with this defense. And that's what JJ cares about the most. Making me happy.
Especially with another holdout from camp, I would not be surprised if Reid technically gives the starting gig to someone else (Team Patterson recommends #98), but Simon will still get as many reps as he can handle. Which probably won't be very many considering the kind of shape he's perpetually in.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 04, 2005, 01:19:01 PM
I hope he sits out the season and gives that fatass rookie a chance to make the squad. I love the whole 'quick DT' thing, but gimme a real lardass who can force the running plays outside and I'll be a lot happier with this defense. And that's what JJ cares about the most. Making me happy.
Lardass report:
QuoteKeyonta Marshall made perhaps the play-of-the-day when he intercepted a deflected pass and wobbled down the field for a nice return before flipping the ball to linebacker David Bergeron for the touchdown. Johnson commented that it was a fun play, but emphasized that Marshall must get in better shape.
"He needs to lose a few pounds," Johnson said. "He's working hard. I like the effort that he's giving. He's got a nice size, he needs to get in a little bit better shape."
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 04, 2005, 01:24:05 PM
Especially with another holdout from camp, I would not be surprised if Reid technically gives the starting gig to someone else (Team Patterson recommends #98), but Simon will still get as many reps as he can handle. Which probably won't be very many considering the kind of shape he's perpetually in.
Agreed. Although I think Rayburn is a more likely candidate to be the technical starter (is that anything like "technical virgin"?) than Patterson. That said, all 5 guys (don't forget Hollis) will get their share of snaps.
Rayburn has been taking the snaps with the #1s in Simon's place.
I could see Rayburn beginning the season as the starter, but once Simon gets into football shape either he or Walker will go to #3.
one thing is fo sho...simon will be backin dat ass UP!
All season long, with the help of mediocre guards.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 04, 2005, 06:29:14 PM
All season long, with the help of mediocre guards.
and a forklift or two
With Patterson's play currently I don't think anyone really cares about Corey.
When is the last time we heard anything about him anyways? Doesn't seem like anyone is asking about his contract situation.
Who would bother asking about Simon when TO forgot to brush his teeth yesterday?! Now THAT'S news!
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2005, 08:01:10 AM
Who would bother asking about Simon when TO forgot to brush his teeth yesterday?! Now THAT'S news!
:-D
funny rjs!
Quote from: Eaglez on August 05, 2005, 12:04:16 AM
With Patterson's play currently I don't think anyone really cares about Corey.
...Doesn't seem like anyone is asking about his contract situation.
It's generally accepted that Corey is simply a lazy bastich and wants to avoid training camp. I'd assume he is so far out of shape at this point that the last thing he wants to do is SHOW UP, because that will certainly not help him get the big dollars. Frankly, even knowing what I know about his talent and playmaking ability at times, I would rescind the franchise tag right now and give the money to Westbrook & Mike Lewis in the form of roster bonuses to assist in the extension of their contracts. Mark my words, Corey will again have a slow start to the season, a solid middle, and taper off at the end and into the playoffs. He's not worth the $5+ million IMO.
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I forget where I read it in the past week (maybe in the Inquirer "Eagles Notes" column), but Simon admitted as much. He knows he'll sign the contract, he's just skipping camp and will be in at some point after they get back to Novacare, probably two days before the last preseason game (Vs. the NYJs).
And, FF, you're exactly right...he's sitting on his ass, and will not be in anything resembling playing shape until November. Didinger said that fans underestimate Simon's value, but I've always felt he hit his high-water mark during his first two seasons. Appears they franchised him for one year to give them a season to groom his replacement (which looks to be Patterson at this point). I can't see them keeping him for 2006.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 05, 2005, 08:27:56 AM
I forget where I read it in the past week (maybe in the Inquirer "Eagles Notes" column), but Simon admitted as much. He knows he'll sign the contract, he's just skipping camp and will be in at some point after they get back to Novacare, probably two days before the last preseason game (Vs. the NYJs).
And, FF, you're exactly right...he's sitting on his ass, and will not be in anything resembling playing shape until November. Didinger said that fans underestimate Simon's value, but I've always felt he hit his high-water mark during his first two seasons. Appears they franchised him for one year to give them a season to groom his replacement (which looks to be Patterson at this point). I can't see them keeping him for 2006.
I just think it's a shame to have to keep him for 2005, because you have money tied up in a guy that doesn't work hard to be here, and you have young playmakers that need new contracts. It is disheartening how Simon's conditioning is so lacking, considering his ability. But if Patterson proves during camp that he can be the first guy off the bench in a rotation, then you kick Corey's lazy ass out the farging door.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 05, 2005, 08:27:56 AM
I forget where I read it in the past week (maybe in the Inquirer "Eagles Notes" column), but Simon admitted as much. He knows he'll sign the contract, he's just skipping camp and will be in at some point after they get back to Novacare, probably two days before the last preseason game (Vs. the NYJs).
And, FF, you're exactly right...he's sitting on his ass, and will not be in anything resembling playing shape until November. Didinger said that fans underestimate Simon's value, but I've always felt he hit his high-water mark during his first two seasons. Appears they franchised him for one year to give them a season to groom his replacement (which looks to be Patterson at this point). I can't see them keeping him for 2006.
If Simon had gone to camp last year, OR had been in SHAPE when he got to the team...he might have proven himself worthy of a good contract. But the worst thing he could have done was to do what he did. Hold out, show up finally and be fat. The fact that he played like absolute shtein until November showed the FO that he wasnt' worth it.
Right, but the problem is that now he's doing the same exact thing, and we have 7 viable DT's (including him) fighting for a roster spot. JJ said that he liked some things about Keyonta Marshall, but that he needed to get in shape a bit. Well, at least he's IN CAMP, where he will be physically active. The more I think about Simon stealing money, the more I get annoyed. I'm going to go work out. That will be 3 more times this week that I've worked out compared to Corey.
i just heard Eckel's report that the Bills are interested in trading for Corey Simon (http://www.nj.com/eagles/times/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/112322928129970.xml&coll=5). Sounds like he's here for the entire season, as we all expected.
3 team trade for Kevin Johnson :P
If we could actually trade his ass right now and get something of value for him, that would seriously kick ass. Walker, Rayburn, Patterson, Hollis and Walker at DT and an extra draft pick or two would be fine with me.
Oh yeah, and extra cash to sign our young studs. Word.
the problem is, the Bills would have to work out a contract extention with him. too bad he wants a TON of moneys.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 05, 2005, 09:10:37 AM
the problem is, the Bills would have to work out a contract extention with him. too bad he wants a TON of moneys.
I have hope because its the Bills and their decision-making has never made much sense to me (drafting McGahee when they had a young, tough back, giving a playoff-caliber team over to a QB who has thrown five career passes, etc), but you're right, I think Simon is probably going to price himself out of a trade at the moment.
how bout giving up 2 first rounders for Bledsoe?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 05, 2005, 09:18:31 AM
how bout giving up 2 first rounders for Bledsoe?
Another solid example. The more I think about it the more I would love for something to happen here. Not getting my hopes up but it would be rather awesome.
from that article.
Quote"That would be interesting (to go to Buffalo)," Simon said. "But at this point, I don't know what I would do. ... If they're interested, I would have to listen."
does that sound like a player who is focused on winning the superbowl with the Eagles this year? hell no. farg Simon.
Wheres Simon/Pinkston at to defend his boy ::)
Bye-bye Simon.
I just hope him and Roosevelt Barnes don't try to ask for $15M signing bonus.
Team Patterson has OK'd the trade. Simon to Buffalo for a case of Yoo-hoo, Mild Duds & crackers, and a 2nd round pick.
some guy from buffalo just called wip and said takeo spikes was on the radio up there this afternoon and said that his agent contacted him about waiving his no trade clause to go to philly for corey simon
(Just a Nitwit?)A caller on eskin's show just called in, the guy lives in Buffalo and said Takeo Spikes agent was contacted in reference to waiving his no trade clause for a swap with Simon(Just a Nitwit?)
Is there an echo in here?
Funny, the first the Buffalo people hear of it is from a PHILLY person (http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php%206330e39c13132098131a141f0ec34ec3&showtopic=27578)
Spikes is a fine player but what would we do with him? There's already a logjam at the LB position. Maybe he's trade bait? ???
incorporating him into the defense would be the hard part...but as a player hes better than all the lb's combined (not including trotter)
Hm, an over-priced player at an under-valued position? We aren't gonna be trading for Spikes.
I don't believe it.
And if it were to happen, he'd play WIL. But I think someone was dishing out Madden rumors on Eskn's show.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 05, 2005, 04:08:08 PM
I don't believe it.
And if it were to happen, he'd play WIL. But I think someone was dishing out Madden rumors on Eskn's show.
That's the only way it would make the slightest iota of sense. And even then, it doesn't really make any sense.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2005, 04:07:33 PM
Hm, an over-priced player at an under-valued position? We aren't gonna be trading for Spikes.
Well, they did attempt to sign him when he left Cincy...
But still, I don't believe this for one second
he wasnt saying it as a rumor...he said takeo said it himself on a radio interview in buffalo
more than likely he was just straight up lying
trade for Spikes, put Marshall and Hollis at a NT rotation and move to the 3-4. brilliant.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2005, 04:09:49 PM
he wasnt saying it as a rumor...he said takeo said it himself on a radio interview in buffalo
more than likely he was just straight up lying
Then how come not one person on any Bills MB heard this except from Philly fans? Bills fans are saying the dude on WIP is full of shtein.
Bills fans are pretty smart, I guess.
Im not sure what the Bills current cap situation, but if Simon wants a big deal they would probably need to trade someone worth some cash to clear up room for Simon. ??
I actually hope Simon is gone before the season starts.
He greatly overrates himself.
As annoying as Simon is, Rayburn is a significant dropoff, and Patterson is just a rookie. Can't trade Simon now unless it's an offer you can't refuse.
I may being a homer but I really think a rotation of Walker/Rayburn/Hollis/Patterson/Grasshopper or Marshall could get the same job done if Simon was there.
Quote from: TO is GOD on August 05, 2005, 09:51:52 PM
As annoying as Simon is, Rayburn is a significant dropoff, and Patterson is just a rookie. Can't trade Simon now unless it's an offer you can't refuse.
I disagree.
Granted, Simon is the better pass rusher, but Rayburn had 6 sacks compared to Simon's 5.5, and he's much better vs. the run. Simon is the better DT, but I wouldn't call it a 'significant dropoff'. JMO.
I dunno. I mean if Rayburn is actually busting is arse this offseason and Corey is just fudgin' around then maybe it wouldn't be so bad to trade him while he still has some value.
I would like Corey back, but I hope he's keeping himself is good shape and is in playing condition.
Quote from: Eaglez on August 05, 2005, 11:09:04 PM
I dunno. I mean if Rayburn is actually busting is arse this offseason and Corey is just fudgin' around
I would like Corey back, but I hope he's keeping himself is good shape and is in playing condition.
No, he's eatin' fudge and getting fatter....just like last year.
It all depends on what they offer. I wouldn't touch a Spikes deal, and I doubt the Bills would either, and they have nothing else really to offer that could help us. Moulds? Severely doubt it. Simon is really important to this team. D-line is very important.
OK.. I'm going to come clean... my client sucks and I hate representing him. He's a fat lard ass and will be out of shape again this year. Honeybuns Hank Fraley would be a better client, he's a fat ass too, but he atleast does his job well. :)
Then how come not one person on any Bills MB heard this except from Philly fans? Bills fans are saying the dude on WIP is full of shtein.
sis you just completely ignore what i said when i just wrote: "more than likely he was just straight up lying"
or do you just like to argue?
btw people simon>>>>>>>>>>>>rayburn dont be ridiculous
comcast said something about simon to the bills for draft picks...this is the first i've heard of the spikes thing. the lb corps actually looks okay right now but spikes would probably be an upgrade.
too bad they don't still have henry to trade for simon...or a decent wr.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 05, 2005, 04:14:21 PM
Bills fans are pretty smart, I guess.
I know several. You couldn't be more wrong.
:-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 06, 2005, 07:23:41 AM
Then how come not one person on any Bills MB heard this except from Philly fans? Bills fans are saying the dude on WIP is full of shtein.
sis you just completely ignore what i said when i just wrote: "more than likely he was just straight up lying"
or do you just like to argue?
btw people simon>>>>>>>>>>>>rayburn dont be ridiculous
My comment was directed towards you, it was WIP bashing. If Spikes was on sports radio in Buffalo, don't you think at least ONE single Bills fans might have heard that HUGE news? lol
They didnt. The clown who called in started shtein for no reason.
There is no way the Eagles trade Simon for a linebacker. Period. Dumbest rumor evAr.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 06, 2005, 09:40:32 AM
There is no way the Eagles trade Simon for a linebacker. Period. Dumbest rumor evAr.
Unless that linebacker is Brian Urlacher.
Ha. Urlacher's an exception to every rule, though.
QuoteLeo Roth, of the Democrat-Chronicle, reports Buffalo Bills general manager Tom Donahoe said there is nothing of substance to a published report that the Bills made inquiries about obtaining Philadelphia Eagles' DT Corey Simon.
Isn't that usually the case when it comes to Eckel? lol
The Phila Inquirer this morning reported several interesting things, in regard to Simon:
- Joe Banner said yesterday that the Eagles have not been contacted by the Bills about Simon.
- The Eagles have been contacted by two teams about Simon since training camp opened, according to an unnamed league source who did not identify the teams (although the article later identified them as the Bengals and the Ravens). The source said the Eagles and these teams agreed on compensation for Simon, but the trade was contingent on those teams being able to sign Simon to a contract...both teams deemed his salary demands too high. The source said a third team contacted the Eagles during the offseason, but backed off when told of Simon's contract demands.
- The Eagles haven't spoken with Simon's agent (Roosevelt Barns) in quite some time, because the sides are so far apart. Because multiple teams have now passed on Simon due to his contract demands (which should tell his delusional ass something), the article said it is even more likely that Simon will play for the Eagles this season for $5.13 million. But, the Eagles do not expect Fat-ass to sign and report until end of August/beginning of September. Says Simon: "I know my body, and I know what I have to do to be ready to help this team win the Super Bowl."
Knowing what to do and doing it are two different things. ::)
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 06, 2005, 10:14:52 AM
Says Simon: "I know my body, and I know what I have to do to be ready to help this team win the Super Bowl."
Perhaps if he had done what he had to do to be ready LAST year, he'd have a fat ass contract with the Eagles or another team...instead of just a fat ass.
well it is certainly interesting to hear that mulitple teams think that Simons demands are too much. Should be an intersting offseason for Simon next year.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 06, 2005, 10:14:52 AM
The Phila Inquirer this morning reported several interesting things, in regard to Simon:
- Joe Banner said yesterday that the Eagles have not been contacted by the Bills about Simon.
- The Eagles have been contacted by two teams about Simon since training camp opened, according to an unnamed league source who did not identify the teams (although the article later identified them as the Bengals and the Ravens). The source said the Eagles and these teams agreed on compensation for Simon, but the trade was contingent on those teams being able to sign Simon to a contract...both teams deemed his salary demands too high. The source said a third team contacted the Eagles during the offseason, but backed off when told of Simon's contract demands.
- The Eagles haven't spoken with Simon's agent (Roosevelt Barns) in quite some time, because the sides are so far apart. Because multiple teams have now passed on Simon due to his contract demands (which should tell his delusional ass something), the article said it is even more likely that Simon will play for the Eagles this season for $5.13 million. But, the Eagles do not expect Fat-ass to sign and report until end of August/beginning of September. Says Simon: "I know my body, and I know what I have to do to be ready to help this team win the Super Bowl."
Knowing what to do and doing it are two different things. ::)
I'm beginning to hate Corey Simon and his agent. I used to be a Simon fan, but shtein. Open your eyes, Corey!!
The Eagles are not going to give you the ridiculous amount of money you and Rosie want. If you want a fat pay-day STFU and sign the $5.1M tender and get into camp and earn that big money for next year.
This makes 3 trades that Simon & Barnes have farged up with those crazy demands.
Assuming Simon signs the franchise tender and is done with the Eagles after 2005, he'll probably get a contract from SOME team that at least sounds really big. Other teams will be a little quicker to dish out the money in desperation if they don't also have to give up some draft picks. But, the contract will be backloaded and Simon won't see much of it before they cut his stupid ass for being a lazy piece of shtein.
I think this is getting to a level of absurdity. Offered 5 million to play one year, yet refuses to sign. So you make 5 million this year, potentially win a super bowl, and you don't think that could possibly increase your value for next season, assuming that he has a great year individually too?
It seems as though these 'holdouts' just want to see if they can be the first to break the Eagles brass. It's like a game they are playing. Fortunate for the Eagles they realize the depth they have and are reluctant to give into crazy demands.
I think we don't hear much about Simon right now because both he and the Eagles know he's going to play for Philadelphia this year, he's just skipping camp now because he doesn't want to be in camp. The real concern is obviously what kind of shape he'll be in when he shows up three days before the Atlanta game.
At this point, it's almost a foregone conclusion that 2005 is his last season as an Eagle...unless he comes in in great shape and has a phenomenal season, he won't be Franchised again next year, and Patterson will take his leading spot in the rotation in 2006.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 06, 2005, 10:56:36 AM
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on August 06, 2005, 10:14:52 AM
Says Simon: "I know my body, and I know what I have to do to be ready to help this team win the Super Bowl."
Perhaps if he had done what he had to do to be ready LAST year, he'd have a fat ass contract with the Eagles or another team...instead of just a fat ass.
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I'm gonna be
totally ripped when we start the season, you guys! Seriously!
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nice on PH. :yay :yay
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Screw you guys - I'm stayin home!
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