This is pretty scary for someone his age (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1993188)
QuoteNew England Patriots linebacker Tedy Bruschi was admitted to Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston on Wednesday after complaining of headaches. WBZ-TV in Boston reported Wednesday that Bruschi had stroke-like symptoms, partial paralysis and blurred vision.
It's a sign of the times that the first thing I thought when I read that was: "Wonder if this was steroids related?"
Is anyone else really happy that he got into the Pro Bowl? I'm not sure how many more, "He's the most underrated middle linebacker in the league" quotes I could handle.
Oh yeah, and get well soon, or something.
It's easy to play MLB well when there's another one there in case you screw up. ;) Silly 3-4.
Maybe it was a migraine, not a stroke.
Quote from: cj2112 on February 17, 2005, 09:54:01 AM
Maybe it was a migraine, not a stroke.
I am a migraine sufferer...so bad sometimes I have to go to the hospital.
I have never heard of a migraine sufferer experiencing paralysis.
Bruschi is in our prayers. Get well soon. :(
Hopefully this is not the same thing that happened to JR Richard. :-\
I don't know of anyone who had a migraine that led to paralysis. A stroke is possible at his age, esp. if he's one of the 'roids. The other candidate? Brain tumor, which is unfortunately more likely than a stroke at his age.
He's a good player. I wish he and his family all the best.
Here is hoping the he will back on his feet soon.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 17, 2005, 12:29:36 PM
I don't know of anyone who had a migraine that led to paralysis. A stroke is possible at his age, esp. if he's one of the 'roids. The other candidate? Brain tumor, which is unfortunately more likely than a stroke at his age.
I'm not a doctor, but it may be possible. Most of the time, migraines are caused by spinal problems. I've had chronic migraines ever since I shattered a windshield with my face in a car wreck when I was 11. I just started seeing a chiropractor for many of the problems. The spine is basically the epicenter for the whole body. I hope that his doctors can figure out what is causing this. Best wishes, Tedy.
It's not a migraine, it was a stroke and it looks like his playing days are over...which I know every Patriots fan is positively sick over:
Quote
Bruschi broke blood vessel in head
By Ron Borges, Globe Staff | February 17, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/62hme
Tedy Bruschi will remain in Massachusetts General Hospital while he undergoes more tests after suffering a broken blood vessel in his head, a Patriots team source told the Globe.
Bruschi is "sitting up in bed'' and talking, the source said.
The Patriots' Pro Bowl linebacker was admitted to the hospital Wednesday after suffering from persistent headaches and partial paralysis. The paralysis is now gone.
A Patriots spokesman said Wednesday night that Bruschi was in "good condition.''
Wow. It's not even about playing with the Patriots at this point. My mind just goes back to him playing with his kids before the Super Bowl. Hopefully he'll retire and get the best treatment he can get to avoid further strokes.
Quote from: Pats and Sox on February 17, 2005, 04:18:51 PM
It's not a migraine, it was a stroke and it looks like his playing days are over...which I know every Patriots fan is positively sick over:
??? How do you figure?
A blood clot preventing blood flow is a stroke. Sounds more to me like he had a cerebral hemorrhage. Not an MD, however. :paranoid
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't feel all broken up for old Teddy. :paranoid
Maybe this photo of him mocking T.O. like a jackass in the Super Bowl might have something to do with my general lack of compassion for him?
(http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Reuters_Photo/2005/02/06/1107745550_4618.jpg)
Meh. Whatever. Get well soon, I guess.
Quote from: FastGreggie on February 17, 2005, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: Pats and Sox on February 17, 2005, 04:18:51 PM
It's not a migraine, it was a stroke and it looks like his playing days are over...which I know every Patriots fan is positively sick over:
??? How do you figure?
I figure based on the risk of repeated hemorrhagic stroke from blunt trauma to the head. Bruschi stands a significant chance of getting his bell rung again as a linebacker and next time might not be so lucky. Of course, I'm, not an MD.
A doctor (and Bills fan) is effectively leading a teaching clinic on strokes over at PatriotsPlanet.com (http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php%20&threadid=9753&perpage=15&pagenumber=4).
Quote from: jerome99RIP on February 17, 2005, 05:22:01 PM
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't feel all broken up for old Teddy. :paranoid
Maybe this photo of him mocking T.O. like a jackass in the Super Bowl might have something to do with my general lack of compassion for him?
I would have guessed an absence of opposable thumbs, but blame it on the photo, if you like...
Quote from: jerome99RIP on February 17, 2005, 05:22:01 PM
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't feel all broken up for old Teddy. :paranoid
Maybe this photo of him mocking T.O. like a jackass in the Super Bowl might have something to do with my general lack of compassion for him?
(http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Reuters_Photo/2005/02/06/1107745550_4618.jpg)
Meh. Whatever. Get well soon, I guess.
Football < a father, husband, son and human being's health
Not too hard to figure out.
Get well teddy. Doesn't matter how fit, or how you diet...shtein can happen to anyone. For the record...I tend to suffer from 'lack of compassion for others' at times. :evil
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 17, 2005, 04:19:50 PM
Wow. It's not even about playing with the Patriots at this point. My mind just goes back to him playing with his kids before the Super Bowl. Hopefully he'll retire and get the best treatment he can get to avoid further strokes.
Yes, I was thinking of those images with him and his kids, too. :-\
Too bad, I certainly wish him well. It's just another reminder that these guys can receive a lot of acclaim, make a great deal of money and win championships, but it can all end very quickly.
Like I said, I guess I'm the only one.
:-D
PS: Absence of thumbs, huh? Good one. :yay :yay
Hope he gets better...
And I'll admit that upon hearing the news my first thought was "shtein, I hope it's nothing serious", but my second was "It sucks that this happened, but if it had to, why didn't it happen 2 weeks ago?"...I'm a horrible person :paranoid
Isn't a ruptured blood vessel in your head an aneurysm? Anyhow Mr. Bruschi is probably lucky to be alive. And I would imagin that his playing career would be in serious jeopardy.
Actually, and aneurysm is a blood vessel with a weakened wall, which sometimes causes it to burst. Having an aneurysm is just the start of the problem; it's the bursting of the aneurysm that is the worst outcome.
It's possible for an aneurysm to develop a slow leak, which might be Bruschi's situation (wild speculation here).
Quote from: drunkmasterflex on February 17, 2005, 09:15:26 PM
Isn't a ruptured blood vessel in your head an aneurysm? Anyhow Mr. Bruschi is probably lucky to be alive. And I would imagin that his playing career would be in serious jeopardy.
Well, it can be an aneurysm before it ruptures. At that point it becomes a hemorrhagic stroke.
I am a fan of Brushi other than against the Eagles. He plays with a fire that is rarely seen at any level of football. Hope he not only gets well, but gets back on the playing field. I want to beat the Pats in the SB next year with them at full strength!!
Update:
Bruschi in Good Condition After Stroke (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=10&u=/ap/20050218/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_patriots_bruschi)
Quote from: jerome99RIP on February 17, 2005, 05:22:01 PM
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't feel all broken up for old Teddy. :paranoid
Maybe this photo of him mocking T.O. like a jackass in the Super Bowl might have something to do with my general lack of compassion for him?
(http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Reuters_Photo/2005/02/06/1107745550_4618.jpg)
Jerome99RIP -
Thought you would like to see this pic from January 2004 -
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/rasalghul/4a.jpg)
This picture was downloaded by me on 1/7/04 - I think your assumption that he was mocking TO is incorrect. It appears that this gesture is natural to him after intercepting a pass or make a key play.
So here, chew on this.....
(http://www.dispatch.com/2004/09/08/20040908-Pc-F8-0900.jpg)
Quote from: rasalghul on February 20, 2005, 01:41:50 AM
So here, chew on this.....
(http://www.dispatch.com/2004/09/08/20040908-Pc-F8-0900.jpg)
Might actually be a good post...if you didn't REGISTER ON HERE JUST TO POST IT.
Sorry dude, you can't serve crow on your first post on a forum. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 20, 2005, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: rasalghul on February 20, 2005, 01:41:50 AM
So here, chew on this.....
(http://www.dispatch.com/2004/09/08/20040908-Pc-F8-0900.jpg)
Might actually be a good post...if you didn't REGISTER ON HERE JUST TO POST IT.
Sorry dude, you can't serve crow on your first post on a forum. ::)
Actually PhillyGirl, this was not going to be my only post, as I intend to post often. However, when an uncalled for comment was made about a player and had no information was there to back it up, I saw an opportunity to point out his error and in the same process make feel a little remorseful about making that statement. That's all.
Let me ask you this, would the post have been if I made a post saying hi first, then make it my 2nd post? When I read that particular post, I knew he was wrong with his assumption and had the information to back it up. If that make my first post wrong, then so be it!
Anyway, I look forward to discussing things on CB in the future.
And if you look back, I also said it was uncalled for (look at the rest of the thread). But telling someone to eat crow on your first post isn't usually the way to go...lol
I was at the game. He was flapping his wings like T.O. Other teammates of his were doing the same thing despite the fact that T.O. f'n owned their asses all day long.
Like I said in my initial post, I'm glad he's doing better.
BTW: The crow thing... sheer genius. :-D
OK - Now that we got that over with.....
When do you think Childress or Johnson will get the call and get their own team!
Jim Johnson won't. He's into his 60s now and just signed a deal last year that will keep him in Philly until after the 2006 season. I can't see him leaving to START being a head coach at his age. He's making a LOT of money and loves it in Philly. He'd have to make a long-term committment to a team looking for a head coach.
I expect Childress to be gone after this season for a HC job.
I agree with PG. J.J.'s gone as far as he's going to go.
Childress... I don't know. I get the feeling that teams assume that Reid does all the scheming & play-calling & Brad's a coordinator in title only.
He might have to go the college route first.
Ever since Fisher & Gruden were hired, it appears the league is going "young" in the head coaching dept. That matbe a good thing, since the "retread" era appears to have died out with Schottenheimer being the last HC hired after being fired.
I know for a fact that the officials are being "fast tracked" out of the high school fields and being moved up to college and then the NFL quicker than the past. I think the NFL realizing the game is getting faster and more advanced and wants to put itself in a position to be ahead of the pace, unlike the other leagues.
Bruschi needs heart surgery :( (http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp%203082621&nav=14RSXXEe) Apparently he has a hole in his heart:
QuoteFormer U of A Wildcat Tedy Bruschi Returns To Hospital
March 15, 2005, 09:44 PM PST Email to a Friend Printer Friendly Version
By Scott Kilbury, KOLD News 13 Sports Director
New England Patriots linebacker Tedy Bruschi -- who once played for the University of Arizona -- is facing heart surgery, according to sources in Tucson and Boston.
The team isn't confirming this news yet, but KOLD News 13 has learned Bruschi went into a Boston hospital for tests. He is scheduled to have surgery to repair a hole in his heart by the end of the week. That's what may have caused the mild stroke he suffered last month.
The 31-year-old Bruschi was rushed to the hospital complaining of partial paralysis just two weeks after winning his 3rd Super Bowl ring.
Bruschi played football at Arizona from 1992 to 1995.
oh geez....
Best wishes to him and his family....again. :(
I wonder if the steroids thing will come up more strongly this time? A mild-stroke and a hole in his heart in the span of a month? I know it sucks to assume things, but with the way things are today it's almost impossible to not think it.
Regardless, I wish him well. He's young still and has a family. 'Roids or not, he needs to be around for them.
I've never heard of a hole in someone's heart due to roids. Its usually hereditary....and steroids are usually taken to help fix the problem.
For people to think that would be QUITE a reach.
It very well could be his genes that are working against him. But I'm saying that it's possible. He doesn't seem the type to do it, but who knows? The stroke + the heart in a months time are suspicious a little bit, IMO.
Like I said, I hope he recovers to be there for his kids.
The stroke could have been caused by steroids, but not the hole in his heart. The hole is either hereditary or from an injury, and could certainly have caused the stroke.
Probably means his career is over, though. He's lucky it didn't just kill him outright.
Man, the news just gets better and better for Bruschi and his family. It's said that adversity builds character, but how much can one family take?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2005, 08:24:27 AM
It very well could be his genes that are working against him. But I'm saying that it's possible. He doesn't seem the type to do it, but who knows? The stroke + the heart in a months time are suspicious a little bit, IMO.
Like I said, I hope he recovers to be there for his kids.
And the original article said the stroke was caused from a broken blood vessel in the brain...which most likely occurred from too many shots to the brain playing the game. Why steroids are even being introduced as a possibility is just plain wrong.
Because the media overreacts to everything. And 'roids are big news right now.
But they aren't the problem here.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2005, 08:43:29 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2005, 08:24:27 AM
It very well could be his genes that are working against him. But I'm saying that it's possible. He doesn't seem the type to do it, but who knows? The stroke + the heart in a months time are suspicious a little bit, IMO.
Like I said, I hope he recovers to be there for his kids.
And the original article said the stroke was caused from a broken blood vessel in the brain...which most likely occurred from too many shots to the brain playing the game. Why steroids are even being introduced as a possibility is just plain wrong.
I said I don't think he did them. I said it's a possibility. And with the juice running wild these days, it could be a possibility. Jeez...Sorry for mentioning it. :-X
He's a roid monkey, alright.
Poor guy. Godspeed to him and his family.
Bruschi may sit out '05 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2019568)
No shock here. At first, I didn't think so... but now I'm fairly certain he's a 'roid-head. Considering the big plays he made to assist the Pats in their narrow victory in the Super Bowl, it really pisses me off, too.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 16, 2005, 08:43:29 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2005, 08:24:27 AM
It very well could be his genes that are working against him. But I'm saying that it's possible. He doesn't seem the type to do it, but who knows? The stroke + the heart in a months time are suspicious a little bit, IMO.
Like I said, I hope he recovers to be there for his kids.
And the original article said the stroke was caused from a broken blood vessel in the brain...
A stroke IS a broken bllod vessel in the brain. It is caused mainly by a blood clot getting stuck in a vessel. Could a hole in the heart cause a clot? Yes. Could the clot become motile due to a big hit? Yes. Is it necessarily steroid induced? No.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2081365
Cleared to work out, but not practice or play football. He's going to make his decision in a month whether he is to come back or not. I sincerely hope he doesn't. Not because he's on the Pats, they beat us, blah blah blah....but because it could be the dumbest thing he would ever do. With 2 little boys and a wife and family that loves him, he's risking his life. Financially, I'm sure he's well set up for the future...why risk your LIFE?
PS...any Pats fan who disagrees with this, weren't you all the same ones saying that TO shouldn't risk his CAREER by playing in the Super Bowl? Well, we're talking a man's life here.
the guy should never play football again. Im sure he'd make a great TV analyst...he's well spoken, etc. He can make his money that way.
I agree with you PG, why risk life just to play a game. He'll be able to make money elsewhere, not that he probably doesn't have a nice piece of change right now, so why risk everything.
I imagine the Pats would make a settlement on the remainder of his contract as well, considering his situation. Kraft seems like a pretty standup guy. He should have some dough to move on with.
QuoteBreaking News
Bruschi Out For Season
Tedy BruschiPatrioits linebacker Tedy Bruschi will miss the 2005 season as he recovers from a stroke, the team announced today.
Good news. I'd hate to have seen him come back too soon.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2112630
Chad Brown will render Bruschi's absence insignificant. Great signing.
And Roosevel Colvin will be back. Between him and Brown, they'll only miss Bruschi's leadership which is still somewhat significant. Apparently, Bruschi was the one to translate the playcall from the coach to the rest of the defensive team. With a defense as complex as theirs is, somebody has some big shoes to fill.
Irregardless, I think the Patriots are going to suffer a let down. In part because of Bruschi, but moreso due to losing both offensive and defensive coordinators.
So now the Pats have lost their defensive leader and both of their coordinators... 6 months too late if you ask me.
but it could help us in 6 mos.
Belichick expects linebacker back in 2006 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-patriots-bruschi&prov=ap&type=lgns)
IDIOT (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2191534)
and he could die
Way to risk the future of your family because you want to play a game.
Idiot.
Shocking! Football players are usually so well known for their intelligence and ethics...
He's hooked on the juice.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 16, 2005, 01:48:26 PM
He's hooked on the juice.
Needs to get as many playing years in as possible before they start testing for whatever chemical combo he's shooting up with.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 16, 2005, 01:03:28 PM
Way to risk the future of your family because you want to play a game.
Idiot.
Death is temporary while playing football makes you "immortal"! :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 16, 2005, 01:03:28 PM
Way to risk the future of your family because you want to play a game.
Idiot.
But we all love Rocky for getting back up to keep taking beating after beating after beating.
The guy's a competitor and I can't fault him at all for wanting to get back on the field no matter how dumb his decision to might be. He knows the risk. And I'm guessing if he didn't have the support of his wife that she would have walked by now.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 16, 2005, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 16, 2005, 01:03:28 PM
Way to risk the future of your family because you want to play a game.
Idiot.
But we all love Rocky for getting back up to keep taking beating after beating after beating.
The guy's a competitor and I can't fault him at all for wanting to get back on the field no matter how dumb his decision to might be. He knows the risk. And I'm guessing if he didn't have the support of his wife that she would have walked by now.
Rocky = fictional character
Bruschi = real man with 2 little boys and a wife to think about.
A little reality check here.
No shtein Rocky's a fictional character but at the same time, his determination is what everyone loves about the character. I don't think anyone ever watched the movie and said to themselves "Stay down Rocky, you've got a family to think about."
Even though the movie is fictional, the emotion and determination displayed though out is very real.
Like I said, I'm sure Bruschi's talked to his wife and immediate family about it. He's gone though pretty intense and thorough medical evals and was cleared to play. So if he wants to play and if his family supports him and a team of docs have cleared him then who am I (or anyone else) to question his decision.
No one here questioned TO last year playing in the Super Bowl. Granted, he didn't have a life threatening condition but he could have ended his career. So why is Bruschi any different. It's his life, not mine. I don't have to live (or die) with the consequences. I wish more athletes had his mentality. I hope he comes back and plays well.
TO and Bruschi are RIDICULOUS comparisons. TO would have surgery again if he re-injured his foot.
Bruschi has another stroke and he's possibly dead.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 16, 2005, 10:20:18 PM
Bruschi has another stroke and he's possibly dead.
You don't say? Well I wonder if he's even taken that into consideration? Maybe you should pass that on to him just incase.
You want to use TO as a comparison, here's a good one....the doctors all said that TO would re-injure the ankle and need surgery and that he couldn't play. THEY WERE WRONG.
Hmm....lets chance it and see if Tedy DIES.
The whole point I'm trying to make though is that this is his life and his desicion. Why anyone here cares or feels the need to criticize it is beyond me. Regardless of what happens to him, you're going to wake up every day just the same.
And some people wonder why Philly fans have a rep of being overly critical. This guy doesn't even play for the home town team and he's being ripped a new one. ::)
Let's never talk about anything ever again.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 16, 2005, 10:53:00 PM
Let's never talk about anything ever again.
Wouldn't this be an empty shell of its former self then... :paranoid
We're going to fill it with creamy nougat.
(http://re2.mm-a1.yimg.com/image/314359922)
Mmmmmm.....creamy nougat.
Extra funny if you've watched the ending credits to Jade Empire.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 16, 2005, 11:08:58 PM
Extra funny if you've watched the ending credits to Jade Empire.
I didn't. So I'm just going to continue to laugh at my pic of Homer.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 16, 2005, 09:43:19 PM
Bruschi = real man with 2 little boys and a wife to think about.
pro athletes only think about their family when it helps them in contract negotiations.
Latest update... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2194031)
He's going to begin practicing on Wednesday.
farging moron.
::)
Ponch is gonna die. Poor bastich. Poor, rich bastich.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 17, 2005, 10:47:44 PM
Latest update... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2194031)
He's going to begin practicing on Wednesday.
farging moron.
::)
If the doctors cleared him then he's ok to go. Calling someone a moron when you aren't in the position he's in is a tad ignorant IMO.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 17, 2005, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 17, 2005, 10:47:44 PM
Latest update... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2194031)
He's going to begin practicing on Wednesday.
farging moron.
::)
If the doctors cleared him then he's ok to go. Calling someone a moron when you aren't in the position he's in is a tad ignorant IMO.
Try again, slappy.
I don't have to be in a person's position to recognize when the person is acting recklessly. He's clearly jeopardizing his life now. Having a stroke and then re-starting a career in a field where your head gets smashed repeatedly is a stupid farging thing to do.
If I were in the same position there's no way I go back, let alone this soon. I understand his allegiance to his team mates and his desire to return when they're having a rough go of it but he's got a family to think of, not just himself or his team. I'm sure he's talked about it with his wife and she may or may not have agreed with his decision, but unless she's dense or naive, she'll have the picture of him in the hospital in the back of her head every Sunday. JMO
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 17, 2005, 10:56:00 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 17, 2005, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 17, 2005, 10:47:44 PM
Latest update... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2194031)
He's going to begin practicing on Wednesday.
farging moron.
::)
If the doctors cleared him then he's ok to go. Calling someone a moron when you aren't in the position he's in is a tad ignorant IMO.
Try again, slappy.
I don't have to be in a person's position to recognize when the person is acting recklessly. He's clearly jeopardizing his life now. Having a stroke and then re-starting a career in a field where your head gets smashed repeatedly is a stupid farging thing to do.
If the doctors cleared him to play then he isn't jeopardizing his life. What makes you think that? It may sound that way because football is physical, but doctors aren't stupid. They evaluate every risk.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 17, 2005, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 17, 2005, 10:47:44 PM
Latest update... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2194031)
He's going to begin practicing on Wednesday.
farging moron.
::)
If the doctors cleared him then he's ok to go. Calling someone a moron when you aren't in the position he's in is a tad ignorant IMO.
Let me repeat what I said before...TO's doctors told him NOT TO PLAY and he did anyway and they said he'd a) not be able to play well enough to contribute or b ) he'd re-injure the ankle for SURE and need the exact same surgery all over again...risking his career.
Doctors were wrong.
Do you really think its smart for ANY GUY to chance that the doctors could be wrong about Bruschi when its his LIFE, not his ANKLE that's in question?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 18, 2005, 08:20:09 AM
Let me repeat what I said before...TO's doctors told him NOT TO PLAY and he did anyway and they said he'd a) not be able to play well enough to contribute or b ) he'd re-injure the ankle for SURE and need the exact same surgery all over again...risking his career.
Doctors were wrong.
Do you really think its smart for ANY GUY to chance that the doctors could be wrong about Bruschi when its his LIFE, not his ANKLE that's in question?
Apparently yet inexplicably, he does, PG.
:-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 18, 2005, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 17, 2005, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 17, 2005, 10:47:44 PM
Latest update... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2194031)
He's going to begin practicing on Wednesday.
farging moron.
::)
If the doctors cleared him then he's ok to go. Calling someone a moron when you aren't in the position he's in is a tad ignorant IMO.
Let me repeat what I said before...TO's doctors told him NOT TO PLAY and he did anyway and they said he'd a) not be able to play well enough to contribute or b ) he'd re-injure the ankle for SURE and need the exact same surgery all over again...risking his career.
Doctors were wrong.
Do you really think its smart for ANY GUY to chance that the doctors could be wrong about Bruschi when its his LIFE, not his ANKLE that's in question?
do you have any documentation of any doctor guarenteeing TO he'd reinjure his ankle if he played? i doubt it, because no doctor can guarentee that somebody is going to get hurt.
Yes, I have access to the confidential doctor files.
My point was that PUBLICLY many of them said this. His own surgeon wouldn't clear him to play and other doctors from local hospitals all said what I already posted. I'm not pulling this out of the clear blue here....this was discussed at LENGTH on many talk shows, TV shows, websites and message boards. Not sure why you're DOUBTING it.
T.O. himself has admitted that he went against doctors' advise in playing the game because he ran a very high risk of doing permanent damage to the ankle.
Conversely, Bruschi had a stroke. A stroke, guys. That is not something you recover from by the grace of God only to return to a profession where getting your bell rung dozens of times per game is a common occurance.
It's simple common sense. He has a wife and a family and there's simply no reason for him to be playing the game any longer. He's accomplished everything a player could ever hope to accomplish on the field of play. The doctors have cleared him to play from a medical standpoint but I'd be willing to be a dollar or two that most of them have advised him against returning.
But whatever. It's his decision. If his family is behind him and the prospect of ending up a vegetable or worse doesn't bother them, who am I to suggest otherwise? That said, personally, I think he's a complete icehole for doing this. Sometimes a guy has to be protected from himself. This is clearly one of those times, in my opinion.
i'm only doubting it because you are claiming that he was told that he would DEFINITLEY reinjure himself if he played in the Super Bowl. I heard no one say this. Everyone said there was a chance. Also, you have to discount was other medical experts say because they did not see his x-rays or perform the surgery on him. All those tv experts were merely speaking about the injury in general.
As for his own doctor not clearing him, that was obviously for liability reasons. Had he cleared him to play, and he did get hurt, that's trouble for the surgeon. So, he didn't clear him and left the decision up to Burkholder and TO. That was something that was widely talked about and Burkholder even said it himself.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 18, 2005, 09:00:25 AM
T.O. himself has admitted that he went against doctors' advise in playing the game because he ran a very high risk of doing permanent damage to the ankle.
SunMo...see above.
who cares what Bruschi does. It's his life and he doesnt play for the Eagles. :deion
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 18, 2005, 09:00:25 AMblah, blah, burn TO, blah, blah...Sometimes a guy has to be protected from himself. This is clearly one of those times, in my opinion.
BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 18, 2005, 09:06:29 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 18, 2005, 09:00:25 AM
T.O. himself has admitted that he went against doctors' advise in playing the game because he ran a very high risk of doing permanent damage to the ankle.
SunMo...see above.
i know all that, i'm not disagreeing that he was advised not to play, for liability reasons. i was merely reacting to your statment that he was told that he would get hurt
for sure if he played in the SB.
Who cares? I hope Bruschi dies ont he field. Stupid deserves die.
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The Boston Globe
ON FOOTBALL
If this backfires, don't blame team
By Ron Borges, Globe Staff | October 18, 2005
This week, Tedy Bruschi will exercise his right to risk his personal future for football glory. As a clear-thinking adult, he's entitled to do so. Just don't blame Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, or the Patriots if something goes sadly wrong.
Bruschi has carefully orchestrated a media assault on Kraft and the Patriots, skillfully backing them into a corner by leaking just enough about his improving physical condition and desire to return to the field to leave Kraft with few options but to go along.
To protect themselves as best they could, the team issued a carefully crafted and oddly timed press release midway through Sunday's debacle in Denver stating that ''Tedy Bruschi and his family will make the final decision as to whether he returns." It went on to put considerable distance between that decision and the Patriots, who have never asked Bruschi to return to the playing field.
The release stated (with italics added):
''The New England Patriots have been advised that Tedy Bruschi has received unanimous medical clearance from outside specialists in the field of stroke neurology. He has also passed multiple physical examinations by team doctors and has been cleared to resume practicing as early as this week . . . With the necessary unanimous medical clearances to return, Tedy Bruschi and his family will make the final decision as to whether he returns to the field and begins practicing once again with the team. The Kraft family and the entire Patriots organization want only what is best for Tedy Bruschi and his family and will continue to support his decision.
About the only thing it didn't say was, ''It wasn't our idea." Other than that, Kraft and his legal team did what had to be done. They used that statement, and the carefully chosen words of the past, to make it clear this was the decision of Bruschi and his family. That doesn't mean Kraft and the Patriots don't understand that if something terrible happens, they won't end up in court having to defend themselves for having done nothing but provide him with as much medical information and support as possible.
''They understand how these things can go," a source close to Kraft said. ''But there's only so much they can do."
Although the statement was handed out by the public relations department, it was written by a team of lawyers to protect Kraft and the organization from the kind of problems the Celtics faced after the death of Reggie Lewis and the Minnesota Vikings endured after the death of Korey Stringer.
Lewis and Bruschi are vastly different cases, of course. Lewis had a team of renowned cardiologists warning him of grave dangers if he tried to play, and one other doctor, Gilbert Mudge, with a different opinion. Bruschi has by all accounts received multiple assurances that he is at no more risk of suffering a stroke than anyone else. So what are the Patriots to do?
Kraft has said little publicly on the issue except to express his personal support for Bruschi. He also offered him a handsome deal that included not only the bulk of his present contract but also a well-paying job with the organization if he chose to retire. Bruschi chose a different route.
Head coach Bill Belichick, too, has been careful to parse his words. Belichick has made it clear that Bruschi's future is entirely in his own hands. Sunday he said only, ''Organizationally, I am 100 percent behind it and I do not have anything else to add."
Exactly what that meant is hard to decipher, as is often the case with Belichick, but what is known is that earlier he regularly refused to comment on Bruschi's health, often pointing out that Bruschi was capable of speaking for himself and would be in charge of whatever information was released. In other words, he has had nothing to do with the issue.
The same is now true of Bruschi's decision to play. It was not a Patriot decision. It was not Belichick's decision. It was not a decision born from even subtle prodding from his employer or his coach. Still, within minutes of Bruschi's announcement, the assault on the team's culpability began with ESPN analysts Tom Jackson, Steve Young, and Michael Irvin.
Young, a Hall of Fame quarterback with a law degree, said, ''I think a player cannot make the right decision, especially in a life-threatening situation. I know I would want to get back on the field so badly that I wouldn't be able to make that decision correctly. I pray for the doctors and the ownership to take that away from him and make the best decision."
Young's words were as heartfelt as Bruschi's, but he put the onus where it does not belong. It's not the team's decision to make. Bruschi is an adult with a sound mind and, he says, a sound body. It is his decision to make, and he's made it.
The Patriots have comforted him, supported him, and aided his search for medical information but they have not asked him to do anything but take a handsome payout to retire.
Jackson spoke about the fears many fans and observers have about what Bruschi is trying to do, yet he too tried to shift responsibility. ''Think about the alternative [to a happy ending]," Jackson said. ''We're watching some Sunday afternoon and something happens to Tedy Bruschi on the field. You tell me how the league and the Patriots are going to feel the moment that happens."
They would feel awful, but they would not be responsible for what happened.
Finally, Irvin chimed in with the kind of statement that is often heard after the fact, when there is blame to deflect.
''I'm surprised the New England Patriots did not take the decision out of his hands," Irvin said. ''As soon as this thing happened, they should have put him on IR."
''They should have . . ." is the refuge of rapscallions. It was the first quiet effort to expose the organization to liability for someone else's decision. Somehow, in retrospect, it won't have been the fault of the man making the decision.
Bruschi made it clear yesterday that it was he who asked to be put on the physically unable to perform list rather than injured reserve. Now he has told the team, after many hours of medical consultations, that he is coming back to work with the approval of his doctors. Legally, the Patriots can do little but accept his decision, unless they want to release him, which they don't.
Bruschi is an intelligent guy who along with his wife has put eight months into not only rehabilitation but learning as much as he could about strokes and neurology. Together they arrived at the decision he made public yesterday when he said at a press conference in Foxborough, ''There's a man upstairs [Kraft] who says measure nine times and cut once. He's told me this throughout this process. We've measured a lot of times. We've made sure. I'm not going to jump into something without being absolutely 100 percent positive, and I am."
So be it. The world that is watching and hoping for a fairy-tale ending needs to understand that, and not include Kraft or Belichick in the process.
Let us all hope things go as well in the future for Tedy Bruschi as they have in the past, but understand one thing: This was his choice, not his obligation. Nothing was forced on him. Nothing but a comfortable retirement he opted not to take.
Oh, there's plenty of blame to go around.
The NFL should put a stop to it if the Patsies & Bruschi don't have the collective sense enough to do so.
Think the Pats are getting a little desperate about their D? You've got to be in pretty dire straights when bringing a stroke victim into the middle of your linebacking corps sounds like a good idea.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 18, 2005, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 17, 2005, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 17, 2005, 10:47:44 PM
Latest update... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2194031)
He's going to begin practicing on Wednesday.
farging moron.
::)
If the doctors cleared him then he's ok to go. Calling someone a moron when you aren't in the position he's in is a tad ignorant IMO.
Let me repeat what I said before...TO's doctors told him NOT TO PLAY and he did anyway and they said he'd a) not be able to play well enough to contribute or b ) he'd re-injure the ankle for SURE and need the exact same surgery all over again...risking his career.
Doctors were wrong.
Do you really think its smart for ANY GUY to chance that the doctors could be wrong about Bruschi when its his LIFE, not his ANKLE that's in question?
Doctors HAD to tell TO not to play for protection of themselves. If there was ANY chance he could reinjure the ankle and have the screws break in his ankle then he could sue them if he was cleared to play.
Doctors won't clear you unless it is safe to play. Could they be wrong? Sure nobody is right 100% of the time, but they sure as hell have a lot more credibility to make a decision than anyone here does.
I hope he strokes out on live TV for everyone to see. And then projectile vomits pure steroids from his face until everyone around him is all juiced up from the steroid shower and they start wailing on each other in a fit of rage and then the cheerleaders slip and fall and end up steroid-vomit-wrestling until they are forced to munch on each others' boxes and butts.
That would rule.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 18, 2005, 05:06:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 18, 2005, 08:20:09 AM
Doctors were wrong.
Do you really think its smart for ANY GUY to chance that the doctors could be wrong about Bruschi when its his LIFE, not his ANKLE that's in question?
Doctors HAD to tell TO not to play for protection of themselves. If there was ANY chance he could reinjure the ankle and have the screws break in his ankle then he could sue them if he was cleared to play.
Doctors won't clear you unless it is safe to play. Could they be wrong? Sure nobody is right 100% of the time, but they sure as hell have a lot more credibility to make a decision than anyone here does.
....you're an idiot.
Then I guess that makes you a stupid idiot.
I'm in the idiot man club with Dawk.
Bruschi wins AFC defensive player of the week.
QuoteDEFENSE: LB TEDY BRUSCHI, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
In his first game of 2005, New England linebacker Tedy Bruschi totaled 10 tackles to help the Patriots seize a 21-16 win against Buffalo. Bruschi became the first player in NFL history to return to the playing field after suffering a mild stroke. Six of his tackles were made within three yards of the line of scrimmage. With the win, New England (4-3) owns sole possession of first place in the AFC East. The 32-year-old linebacker raised his arms early in the game to energize New England's "12th Man" and called signals in the huddle. Often called the "heart and soul" of New England's defense, Bruschi had been working out and attending meetings regularly since the start of training camp.
In his 10th year from Arizona, this is the San Francisco native's fifth career Player of the Week award and his third honor in his past 14 games.
10 tackles is nice and all, but wasn't there anyone else out there that added some picks/fumbles/INT's?
Awards given out to guys just as "feel good" stories make me want to stab rjs's dog in the eye.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 03, 2005, 10:01:50 AM
Awards given out to guys just as "feel good" stories make me want to stab rjs's dog in the eye.
Obviously I feel the exact same way. Which you knew. Which is why you referenced me in your post. I have nothing to contribute.
In his first game of 2005, New England linebacker Tedy Bruschi totaled 10 tackles to help the Patriots seize a 21-16 win against Buffalo
probably not the best choice of words there
Quote from: rjs246 on October 18, 2005, 05:09:57 PM
I hope he strokes out on live TV for everyone to see. And then projectile vomits pure steroids from his face until everyone around him is all juiced up from the steroid shower and they start wailing on each other in a fit of rage and then the cheerleaders slip and fall and end up steroid-vomit-wrestling until they are forced to munch on each others' boxes and butts.
That would rule.
I would just like to say that I still hope all of this happens.
i would not be opposed to it rjs
If you haven't heard it already...very revealing about Tedy Bruschi
http://eod.liquidviewer.com/wgr-od/wgr/20051031_bruschipbp-1.wma
ha. that is great.
Quote from: qwert246 on November 03, 2005, 12:01:25 PM
If you haven't heard it already...very revealing about Tedy Bruschi
http://eod.liquidviewer.com/wgr-od/wgr/20051031_bruschipbp-1.wma
:-D
Quote from: qwert246 on November 03, 2005, 12:01:25 PM
If you haven't heard it already...very revealing about Tedy Bruschi
http://eod.liquidviewer.com/wgr-od/wgr/20051031_bruschipbp-1.wma
:-D That's some funny ish.
I'm all for him being back but I know that I'm going to tire quickly of the treatment he's going to get. Who knows, maybe after his next Monday Night game and Madden spends 3 hours Favre-ing him off I can start hating him.