Not that its a shock, but who else thinks Bonds is going to have to come clean too? (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592)
Bonds doesn't strike me as that kind of guy. I think they could have him dead-to-rights and he'd still deny it, if only to give a big FU to anyone asking the question.
please, PLEASE...let there be some way the yanks can get out paying giambi's contract. :P ;D
Quote from: Zanshin on December 02, 2004, 08:16:13 AM
Bonds doesn't strike me as that kind of guy. I think they could have him dead-to-rights and he'd still deny it, if only to give a big FU to anyone asking the question.
apparently, bonds gave "lawyer-like" answers when he was questioned....stuff like "i didn't
knowingly take steriods", etc....so i don't think he'll ever admit to anything.
a Yankee taking steroids. who'da thunk it? cheaters.
yes...only yankees players take steriods.
steinbrenner personally injects each player with steriods every tuesday.
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:22:01 AM
yes...only yankees players take steriods.
steinbrenner personally injects each player with steriods every tuesday.
No, that would be Botox.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 02, 2004, 08:20:55 AM
a Yankee taking steroids. who'da thunk it? cheaters.
I can understand why people don't like the Yankees because of the unfair economic advantage...but the "cheater" thing is pretty unjustified, really. Especially with regard to steroid-use. As far as the economic advantage goes, that's the fault of baseball. I'm not a big baseball fan, but I'd want my team to do everything possible within the rules to win, too.
who's this scrawny guy? :o
http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/thomeud.jpg
http://24.73.229.214:82/gosportscards/Players/CardPics/thome_92ultra.jpg
hmmmmmmmmmm..... :paranoid ;)
Quote from: Zanshin on December 02, 2004, 08:29:05 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 02, 2004, 08:20:55 AM
a Yankee taking steroids. who'da thunk it? cheaters.
I can understand why people don't like the Yankees because of the unfair economic advantage...but the "cheater" thing is pretty unjustified, really. Especially with regard to steroid-use. As far as the economic advantage goes, that's the fault of baseball. I'm not a big baseball fan, but I'd want my team to do everything possible within the rules to win, too.
you can't reason with yankees haters....they're blinded by their jealousy. :-D
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:30:27 AM
who's this scrawny guy? :o
http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/thomeud.jpg
http://24.73.229.214:82/gosportscards/Players/CardPics/thome_92ultra.jpg
hmmmmmmmmmm..... :paranoid ;)
LOL, yeah, when he was like 19! I know that wink has to mean its a joke, but that's even ridiculous to bring it up.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 02, 2004, 08:33:28 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:30:27 AM
who's this scrawny guy? :o
http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/thomeud.jpg
http://24.73.229.214:82/gosportscards/Players/CardPics/thome_92ultra.jpg
hmmmmmmmmmm..... :paranoid ;)
LOL, yeah, when he was like 19! I know that wink has to mean its a joke, but that's even ridiculous to bring it up.
yankee bashing is okay but a joke about a phillies player is taboo....i think i see where you're coming from. :-D
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:36:33 AM
yankee bashing is okay but a joke about a phillies player is taboo....i think i see where you're coming from. :-D
hunt, you have to be kidding me. Bringing up steriods and Thome in the same sentence is preposterous. The guy has no definition to his body, he's just a big dude. It has nothing to do with Yanks or Phillies...its has to do with being serious. Don't sit here any accuse a guy who doesn't need to take steriods of doing them.
Whatever. Yankees have a cheater (not to mention liar) on their team, that makes them cheaters. Sorry. If they kick him to the curb, I'll take it back. Until then: cheaters!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 02, 2004, 08:42:06 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:36:33 AM
yankee bashing is okay but a joke about a phillies player is taboo....i think i see where you're coming from. :-D
hunt, you have to be kidding me. Bringing up steriods and Thome in the same sentence is preposterous. The guy has no definition to his body, he's just a big dude. It has nothing to do with Yanks or Phillies...its has to do with being serious. Don't sit here any accuse a guy who doesn't need to take steriods of doing them.
it was a joke!
you people constantly bash the yankees & their players....i make one joke about thome & you think it's ridiculous???
that couldn't possibly be any more hypocritical...that's my point.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 02, 2004, 08:44:43 AM
Whatever. Yankees have a cheater (not to mention liar) on their team, that makes them cheaters. Sorry. If they kick him to the curb, I'll take it back. Until then: cheaters!
cheaters??? :-D what's next??? "the yankees have cooties!"??? :-D
good stuff! :yay
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:45:10 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 02, 2004, 08:42:06 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:36:33 AM
yankee bashing is okay but a joke about a phillies player is taboo....i think i see where you're coming from. :-D
hunt, you have to be kidding me. Bringing up steriods and Thome in the same sentence is preposterous. The guy has no definition to his body, he's just a big dude. It has nothing to do with Yanks or Phillies...its has to do with being serious. Don't sit here any accuse a guy who doesn't need to take steriods of doing them.
it was a joke!
you people constantly bash the yankees & their players....i make one joke about thome & you think it's ridiculous???
that couldn't possibly be any more hypocritical...that's my point.
Obviously we were right to be bashing Giambi, weren't we? That's MY point. At least there is substance behind it...LOL
Jeremy Giambi admitted he took the juice too...
So...why'd he suck ass then? :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2004, 08:50:30 AM
Jeremy Giambi admitted he took the juice too...
So...why'd he suck ass then? :-D
a-HA! and he was a phillie. :o
the phillies are cheaters!
and they have cooties too!
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:51:56 AMa-HA! and he was a phillie. :o
the phillies are cheaters!
If they knew he did, as the Yankees now DO know, then yes, they could be properly called cheaters. Of course, they did not know it, and the Yankees do. Let's see what they do. Do they hang on to the cheater and stain their pin stripes with another shameful skidmark, or do they fire his ass, as they should.
trust me...they would LOVE to get rid of him.
the problem is....he's under contract for 4 more years & nobody will take on that contract. if there's a way to void his contract, they'll do it.
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:51:56 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 02, 2004, 08:50:30 AM
Jeremy Giambi admitted he took the juice too...
So...why'd he suck ass then? :-D
a-HA! and he was a phillie. :o
the phillies are cheaters!
and they have cooties too!
:-D
Wouldn't he had to have contributed positively in some way to be considered a cheater? He stunk here (and the team stunk too).
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 09:03:53 AM
trust me...they would LOVE to get rid of him.
the problem is....he's under contract for 4 more years & nobody will take on that contract. if there's a way to void his contract, they'll do it.
They could just fire his ass, no? What happened to ethics? It's not convenient for them to rid themselves of a cheater, so they keep him? Whatever.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 02, 2004, 09:21:47 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 09:03:53 AM
trust me...they would LOVE to get rid of him.
the problem is....he's under contract for 4 more years & nobody will take on that contract. if there's a way to void his contract, they'll do it.
They could just fire his ass, no? What happened to ethics? It's not convenient for them to rid themselves of a cheater, so they keep him? Whatever.
you obviously know nothing about baseball and guaranteed contracts. :sly fire him & still pay him $80 million....sure. :-D
Oh, I see. So you'd rather have a cheater on your team AND your money. Now THAT'S ethical. Great example for the kids. Do what's right, unless it's hard to do... ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 02, 2004, 08:33:28 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 08:30:27 AM
who's this scrawny guy? :o
http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/thomeud.jpg
http://24.73.229.214:82/gosportscards/Players/CardPics/thome_92ultra.jpg
hmmmmmmmmmm..... :paranoid ;)
LOL, yeah, when he was like 19! I know that wink has to mean its a joke, but that's even ridiculous to bring it up.
you're wrong. those cards are from 1992. thome was born in august 1970. making 22 years old. i am not saying thome used or not. i say let these fargers screw with their long term health, it's there choice anyway. but there is a big difference between 19 and 22.
oh please. There isn't that much of a difference and Thome has never used. I can't even believe this is discussed on here. When a kid comes out of college football at age 22, 19, 20, whatever around that age, they will always get bigger in a professional ballclub's weight training program. Thome is about as much of a steriod user as I am tall. He's just a big dude, period.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 02, 2004, 09:28:32 AM
Oh, I see. So you'd rather have a cheater on your team AND your money. Now THAT'S ethical. Great example for the kids. Do what's right, unless it's hard to do... ::)
he's off the juice now...last year, he was as skinny as that old thome pic...so he's not a "cheater" any more. :P
i know you're just trolling as usual but baseball is a business....you don't just fire & guy and pay him $80 mill for nothing. it's ridiculous.
Quote from: mhunt on December 02, 2004, 09:35:24 AM....you don't just fire & guy and pay him $80 mill for nothing. it's ridiculous.
Yeah, nevermind what's right. Spoken like a true Yankee fan.
The real problem here is Bud Selig and the other owners. Roids should be made illegal with a first time offense of a permanent ban from baseball, no second chances... and every player should be tested at random multiple times a season.
Quote from: MURP on December 02, 2004, 09:42:01 AM
The real problem here is Bud Selig and the other owners. Roids should be made illegal with a first time offense of a permanent ban from baseball, no second chances... and every player should be tested at random multiple times a season.
the players' union has too much power in baseball...i think that's another major problem.
i think something horrific would have to happen before they'd agree to a comprehensive drug/steriod testing program.
Its that whole thing again....if LT can go into the NFL Hall of Fame while being a crackhead/bad influence on children, why cant Pete Rose? Gooden and Strawberry and guys like that were able to play again, but Rose gets banned forever for betting.
Both are bad, but drugs are worse, IMO. Drugs should = lifetime ban from the sport you take. Nothing is worse to a child who worships a player than to have that player be a druggie.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 02, 2004, 09:31:10 AM
oh please. There isn't that much of a difference and Thome has never used. I can't even believe this is discussed on here. When a kid comes out of college football at age 22, 19, 20, whatever around that age, they will always get bigger in a professional ballclub's weight training program. Thome is about as much of a steriod user as I am tall. He's just a big dude, period.
how can you not acknowledge that there is a difference between a 19 year old...and a 22 year old. because someone pointed out to you that you were wrong?
there is a physiological difference from 19 to 22 years old. the body is not fully developed yet at 19. but is close to a physical peak at 22-23. if thome had been 19, like you said he was, in those photos, then seeing him then and now is not that big of a difference. but those photos from 22 to now, the difference is a little more than expected normally. but seeing the differnce in size between his rookie year and now, its not that uncommon to come to that conclusion. bonds, giambi, sosa, maguire, canseco were all scrawy little rookies that ballooned up, and everyone and there mothers accuses them of using steriods...so, as long as everyone is quick to draw conclusions on them, including you, then thome should not be excluded from being looked at. and you know what, there is always a chance that he did use. i am not saying he did. but really, with the way baseball all but handed the needles and making agents out at spring training, would it really surprise anyone?
i never said thome used steriods or not. and frankly i dont give a shtein if he did. thats not my point. in fact that is the second time i said that. and i shall say it again,
i never said thome used steriods or not. and frankly i dont give a shtein if he did.so, then thome is just a fatass. fair enough...and before you jump down my throat with that, that is a word you seem to take lightly when you feel like bashing someone who may or may not be overweight.
How am I wrong? I don't care, I didn't even LOOK to see how old he was in those pictures, I took a guess that he was somewhere around 18-23....which is prior to him being really involved in big league weight training programs. The rest of your post is a whole lot of nonsense, even suggesting that Thome takes roids makes it nonsense. Not because he is a Phillie, because he's who he is. I'd have said the same thing when he was an Indian.
And why exactly would he be a fatass? Whoever said that?
my post is not nonsense. what is so non-sensicle with anything that i said? where am i going away from any kind of reality that surrounds major league baseball.
unless you are a close personal friend of thome's and have spent a lot of time with him, you just have no way of really knowing.
You guys know you're all completely insane, right?
not completly...give me another month and i am right there.
Quote from: Wingspan on December 02, 2004, 10:28:30 AM
not completly...give me another month and i am right there.
It's good to have a goal.
"The Waterboy's a cheata!"
Hell, If i could shoot some steroids and get a $120M contract....pass the needle, ointment, whatever. :D
Seriously though, I wonder if anyone will ever implicate Bonds. You know the feds want him bad.
It couldn't be more obvious that Bonds used/uses 'roids. It'll come out eventually.
Im not sure whether any of the guys on Houston's roster use (or have used) steroids but I'm sure as not going to blindly defend them. Sure, Bagwell and Berkman are class acts but without REAL testing we're never going to know. If they use them, that would be a big disappointment.
Everyone's fair game now.
Sosa.. I hope you get exposed for the fraud you are.
I don't think Bagwell uses 'em. He would hit about 80 homers a year if he did.
Quote from: FastFreddie on December 02, 2004, 02:42:19 PM
It couldn't be more obvious that Bonds used/uses 'roids. It'll come out eventually.
he took them but he didn't know they were steriods. ::)
mmmm'kay. :-D
Didn't see this posted? (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-yankees-giambi-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns)
I don't want Bonds to be a roid user...i don't want his records to be tarnished...i like Barry Bonds and i want him to succeed!!
Farg Giambi...that bastich!!
Quote from: JTrotterFan on December 03, 2004, 01:15:44 PM
I don't want Bonds to be a roid user...i don't want his records to be tarnished...i like Barry Bonds and i want him to succeed!!
lol.. you might be the only one on earth.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 03, 2004, 12:48:39 PM
Didn't see this posted? (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-yankees-giambi-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns)
the yanks are trying everything possible to get rid of giambi. :yay
on mike & mike this morning (espn radio), greenburg was saying that his sources told him that the yanks specifically asked giambi if he was on roids before they signed him as a free agent...and he denied it.
also, when he was having all those health problems last year, the doctors repeatedly asked him what he was "putting into his body" so they could properly diagnose his problems...and giambi STILL denied taking steriods...even when his health was at stake!
i hope they find a way to get out of paying that creep $80 mill.
I'd like to see the Yanks give him the shaft too.
He can go to Tampa, make the vet minimum and be a singles hitter. :-D
I hope he loses out as a lesson to others-- but in fairness, the Yanks SHOULD be asking some really tough questions of Sheffield, too.
Quote from: Zanshin on December 15, 2004, 09:38:20 AM
I hope he loses out as a lesson to others-- but in fairness, the Yanks SHOULD be asking some really tough questions of Sheffield, too.
from what i know about sheff, it was more of a short term thing where he was given some kind of cream that contained steroids...he didn't know the cream contained roids & stopped using the cream when he found out. i might be wrong but i think that was the story.
if so, that's much different than giambi's situation....he knowingly injected himself, used the roid cream, & anything else he could get his hands on.
i can understand why some people (especially yankee haters) are saying that it's hypocritical for the yanks to come down on giambi (who isn't playing well) & not come down on sheff (who is playing well)...but i think their situations are very different.
Sheffield is the only yankee I like, so I don't really want to see his numbers invalidated, but Gumbi (Giambi, I know, i don't like him) he can go farg himself, he wasn't that godd anyway, even with the roids.
Quote from: mhunt on December 15, 2004, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on December 15, 2004, 09:38:20 AM
I hope he loses out as a lesson to others-- but in fairness, the Yanks SHOULD be asking some really tough questions of Sheffield, too.
from what i know about sheff, it was more of a short term thing where he was given some kind of cream that contained steroids...he didn't know the cream contained roids & stopped using the cream when he found out. i might be wrong but i think that was the story.
if so, that's much different than giambi's situation....he knowingly injected himself, used the roid cream, & anything else he could get his hands on.
i can understand why some people (especially yankee haters) are saying that it's hypocritical for the yanks to come down on giambi (who isn't playing well) & not come down on sheff (who is playing well)...but i think their situations are very different.
That's what Bonds is claiming, too. And he's being crucified by the press.
Quote from: geowhizzer on December 15, 2004, 12:42:20 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 15, 2004, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on December 15, 2004, 09:38:20 AM
I hope he loses out as a lesson to others-- but in fairness, the Yanks SHOULD be asking some really tough questions of Sheffield, too.
from what i know about sheff, it was more of a short term thing where he was given some kind of cream that contained steroids...he didn't know the cream contained roids & stopped using the cream when he found out. i might be wrong but i think that was the story.
if so, that's much different than giambi's situation....he knowingly injected himself, used the roid cream, & anything else he could get his hands on.
i can understand why some people (especially yankee haters) are saying that it's hypocritical for the yanks to come down on giambi (who isn't playing well) & not come down on sheff (who is playing well)...but i think their situations are very different.
That's what Bonds is claiming, too. And he's being crucified by the press.
probably because people have always suspected that bonds was on roids...they haven't suspected sheff. just a guess. ???
i looked up some articles on sheffield's situation & bonds actually referred sheff to balco :-D balco sent sheff some cream to rub on his knee after he had surgery on it...and sheff later found out it was that steriod cream.
I'm glad the Jankees are stuck with him. They deserve it for the crap they pull signing all these people.
Quote from: NB on December 15, 2004, 04:45:52 PM
I'm glad the Jankees are stuck with him. They deserve it for the crap they pull signing all these people.
i agree. how dare they sign good players and try to win. >:(
the nerve!
:-D
Jeter: Everyone makes mistakes (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1950818)
Are you farging kidding me? Mistakes?
they're trying to show some support for their teammate....is that wrong???
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2004, 01:04:18 PM
they're trying to show some support for their teammate....is that wrong???
Support? For being a liar and a cheater? Great support, wouldn't expect much else from the Yankees :P
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 21, 2004, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2004, 01:04:18 PM
they're trying to show some support for their teammate....is that wrong???
Support? For being a liar and a cheater? Great support, wouldn't expect much else from the Yankees :P
EXACTLY what he said.
noooo....support for a guy who they're probably stuck with as a teammate. i wouldn't be surprised if the yankees brass asked jeter & rivera (the 2 most popular yankees) to say something supportive about giambi since he's being crucified right now. looks like a PR move to me.
if you think they're saying what giambi did was okay, you're an idiot.
that makes no sense. The Spanks were trying to get OUT of Giambi's contract, now they are trying to do a PR move to make it seem like he just made a mistake?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 21, 2004, 01:11:46 PM
that makes no sense. The Spanks were trying to get OUT of Giambi's contract, now they are trying to do a PR move to make it seem like he just made a mistake?
yep...it tells me that they're not able to get out of his contract so they're stuck with him & trying to make the best of a horrible situation.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 21, 2004, 01:11:46 PM
that makes no sense. The Spanks were trying to get OUT of Giambi's contract, now they are trying to do a PR move to make it seem like he just made a mistake?
**Hypothetical situation** After months/years of accusations, Burrell finally admits to using steroids. Would I expect Thome to 'support' him? Heck no.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 21, 2004, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 21, 2004, 01:11:46 PM
that makes no sense. The Spanks were trying to get OUT of Giambi's contract, now they are trying to do a PR move to make it seem like he just made a mistake?
**Hypothetical situation** After months/years of accusations, Burrell finally admits to using steroids. Would I expect Thome to 'support' him? Heck no.
you say that now. :-D :-D
except, hunt...Burrell's been the exact same size his entire career.
So its not gonna happen. And Thome would be disgraced if a teammate of his did roids.
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2004, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 21, 2004, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 21, 2004, 01:11:46 PM
that makes no sense. The Spanks were trying to get OUT of Giambi's contract, now they are trying to do a PR move to make it seem like he just made a mistake?
**Hypothetical situation** After months/years of accusations, Burrell finally admits to using steroids. Would I expect Thome to 'support' him? Heck no.
you say that now. :-D :-D
Nope, I mean it. Giambi knowingly cheated his way to success. Why should/would anyone support him? Especially a player like Jeter who's worked his ass off to get where he is today.
jeezus....your yankee hatred must override all reason. ::)
i NEVER EVER said burrell was on steroids...i don't know where that reply is coming from....and don't pretend to know how your hero thome would react. you're NOT him....you DON'T know.
jeter & rivera have been giambi's teammate for years...they're probably friends with him...is it totally out of the realm of possibilities that they're just trying to say something positive because it looks like the yanks are stuck with him???
i mean, c'mon already...they are not advocating what he did...read the article.
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2004, 01:26:05 PM
...is it totally out of the realm of possibilities that they're just trying to say something positive because it looks like the yanks are stuck with him???
i mean, c'mon already...they are not advocating what he did...read the article.
Who ever said they were advocating what he did?
Quote"It'll work fine. Jason made a mistake, obviously. Everyone makes mistakes. He's got to deal with it," Jeter told the New York Daily News. "So it's an unfortunate situation, and you feel for him because he's going through it, but if he's back with us -- he's on our team, so I would expect him to be back - you've got to support him."
Added Rivera: "I always support all of my teammates. He made a mistake, but he was man enough to admit it."
Yeah, what a man to fess up for lying and cheating ::)
Jeter and Rivera can suck him off all they want, bottom line is he lied and cheated and they're basically using the old adage that 'Everybody makes a mistake'. Crock of shtein if you ask me.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 21, 2004, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2004, 01:26:05 PM
...is it totally out of the realm of possibilities that they're just trying to say something positive because it looks like the yanks are stuck with him???
i mean, c'mon already...they are not advocating what he did...read the article.
Who ever said they were advocating what he did?
Quote"It'll work fine. Jason made a mistake, obviously. Everyone makes mistakes. He's got to deal with it," Jeter told the New York Daily News. "So it's an unfortunate situation, and you feel for him because he's going through it, but if he's back with us -- he's on our team, so I would expect him to be back - you've got to support him."
Added Rivera: "I always support all of my teammates. He made a mistake, but he was man enough to admit it."
Yeah, what a man to fess up for lying and cheating ::)
Jeter and Rivera can suck him off all they want, bottom line is he lied and cheated and they're basically using the old adage that 'Everybody makes a mistake'. Crock of shtein if you ask me.
what would you expect
his teammates to say???
I wouldn't expect his teammates to say a thing. I'd expect them to go on about their business and make the locker room uncomfortable for him. Why should they support him? They earned their success with hard work. Using the old adage that 'well, everybody makes a mistake' is a copout. Nobody likes a liar and a cheater, but I guess it makes it alright as long as you're a Yankee?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 21, 2004, 01:43:14 PM
I wouldn't expect his teammates to say a thing.
DING DING DING! Winning comment right there.
support? did the Yankees not want to get the rest of Giambis contract back ?
i've seen most of the Phillies with their shirts off (cue gay jokes!) and the one guy I would say really looks like he could be on roids is Marlon Byrd.
what did pinkston's teammates say about him wussing out on that pass in the skins game???
players sometimes don't like what their teammates do...but they realize that they're stuck with them so they try to do what's best for the team & be supportive.
got it yet???
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2004, 01:53:29 PM
what did pinkston's teammates say about him wussing out on that pass in the skins game???
they said they would rather have Dietrich Jells out there.
Quote from: MURP on December 21, 2004, 01:47:50 PM
support? did the Yankees not want to get the rest of Giambis contract back ?
already covered. c'mon, man...pay attention! ;D
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2004, 01:53:29 PM
what did pinkston's teammates say about him wussing out on that pass in the skins game???
players sometimes don't like what their teammates do...but they realize that they're stuck with them so they try to do what's best for the team & be supportive.
got it yet???
You're kidding, right? Pinkston -- while he may be a wuss -- didn't lie or cheat. You're out of context with your analogy. There's a huge difference here, Hunt.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 21, 2004, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2004, 01:53:29 PM
what did pinkston's teammates say about him wussing out on that pass in the skins game???
players sometimes don't like what their teammates do...but they realize that they're stuck with them so they try to do what's best for the team & be supportive.
got it yet???
You're kidding, right? Pinkston -- while he may be a wuss -- didn't lie or cheat. You're out of context with your analogy. There's a huge difference here, Hunt.
it's called an "example"....i never said it was the same.
pinky's teammates made supportive comments in public.
really...i think some of you are off your rockers when it comes to the yankees.
Bad example IMO :P
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 21, 2004, 01:58:55 PM
Bad example IMO :P
player screws up.
teammates realize they're stuck with the guy & try to say something supportive since that's what's best for the team.
there's a generic example for you. :-D
I'm trying to figure out how Sheffield is staying out of the lime light as of late. The guy was on pace to be the MVP of the American League, even though he was injured all year (sound like any symptoms you've heard of), not to mention he already admitted to taking roids after turning his back on his life long friend in Barry Bonds and saying that Bonds gave him what is now known as the infamous cream. He must be hiding with Sosa and Hoffa.
I don't believed that the Yankee players codoned what Giambi did. They are simply saying that they stand behind a teammate. Whether or not we agree with Giambi's actions (and I don't believe any of us do), according to the rules as I understand them, Giambi will not be released from his Yankees contract unless it can be proven that he took the steroids AFTER being made illegal accoring to the CBA.
Faced with the situation that they will likely be still playing with Giambi at least for this season, of course they are going to show some public support.
Jose Cansenco said in some paper that during Mark McGwire's HR title winning season, he personally injected McGwire with steroids.
No shock about McGwire, but Cansenco needs to shut the farg up. He's "ratting" out everyone and its getting old.
i just heard that story...canseco is a snitch. and nobody likes a snitch. :boo
Well, the magic of baseball has pretty much been destroyed now. 20 years of the game are going to be considered illegitimate in the eyes of both the public and the amateur baseball statistician. Thanks for ruining the sport that's given you everything you have, Jose.
Palmeiro denies allegations (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1986479)
QuoteOrioles first baseman Rafael Palmeiro on Monday denied Jose Canseco's assertion in his forthcoming book that he used steroids while the two were Texas Rangers teammates.
In book excerpts published by The New York Daily News on Sunday, Canseco claims he introduced the performance enhancers to Palmeiro, Ivan Rodriguez, and Juan Gonzalez when Canseco joined the Rangers in 1992.
"I categorically deny any assertion made by Jose Canseco that I used steroids," Palmeiro said in a statement. "At no point in my career have I ever used steroids, let alone any substance banned by Major League Baseball. As I have never had a personal relationship with Canseco, any suggestion that he taught me anything, about steroid use or otherwise, is ludicrous.
"We were teammates and that was the extent of our relationship. I am saddened that he felt it necessary to attempt to tarnish my image and that of the game that I love."
That denial is a lot stronger than the statement released by McGwire. On the other hand, Palmeiro is still playing the game and presumably has more to lose if the allegations are true.
i heard that canseco named one more BIG NAME player in his book that hasn't come out yet...espn radio didn't say who it was, just that it's a big name like mcgwire & the name will probably come out soon. they said there are some nervous players out there hoping they're not named.
**crossing fingers & hoping it isn't a-rod** :paranoid
A-Rod wasn't in Texas when Canseco was there though. He was up in Seattle.
I wonder if Canseco is blowing smoke, telling the truth or a combination. I just can't see him gathering in a stall in the bathroom shooting up guys with juice.
Ruben Sierra was in Texas then, I think. But he isn't big name anymore.
maybe clemens ??? did they play together in toronto???
i'm just trying to think of big name players along the lines of mcgwire.
anyway, i'm sure there's some truth in what canseco is saying...but you don't really know what to believe since he's only trying to sell his book.
Canseco's career:
1985 - 1992 : Oakland
1992 - 1994 : Texas
1995 - 1996 : Boston
1997 : Oakland
1998 : Toronto
1999 - 2000 : Tampa Bay
2000 : New York Yankees
2001 : Chicago White Sox
It seems as if the rumors are swirling around his early Oakland and Texas days...
A few possibilities:
Ivan Rodriguez
Juan Gonzalez
Julio Franco
Ruben Sierra
Dave Henderson
Ricky Henderson
Mo Vaughn
John Valentin
clemens was with toronto in 1998...he's my guess. :paranoid
I'm going with Ricky Henderson as my guess. I'd bet on it.
huh...i somehow overlooked ricky on your list. he was definitely on the juice.
and i guess espn radio could argue that he's as big a name as mcgwire. you might be right.
i'm sure the canseco book publicity team will let us know soon.
Canseco is a scumbag. He may be telling the truth or he can be lying out of his ass. Frankly I cant say I trust anything he says.
i think it was Ozzie Canseco :paranoid
Barry Bonds' pissed-off ex-girlfriend of 9 years (1994-2003, including some time he was married) Kimberly Bell was on Geraldo's show tonight, talking about how Bonds has knowingly used steroids since at least 2000. Like everyone else it seems, she's got a book coming out. She's got notes and pictures to prove her relationship to Bonds, but no physical evidence to prove the steroid use, at least from what I could tell (I caught the middle of the interview while flipping channels).
Bonds' lawyer says there was indeed a relationship, but she failed to extort money from Bonds last year, and now she's getting what she wants through publishing this false book. Denies the steroid allegations.
What a circus.
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 12, 2005, 10:29:51 PM
Barry Bonds' pissed-off ex-girlfriend of 9 years (1994-2003, including some time he was married) Kimberly Bell was on Geraldo's show tonight, talking about how Bonds has knowingly used steroids since at least 2000. Like everyone else it seems, she's got a book coming out. She's got notes and pictures to prove her relationship to Bonds, but no physical evidence to prove the steroid use, at least from what I could tell (I caught the middle of the interview while flipping channels).
Bonds' lawyer says there was indeed a relationship, but she failed to extort money from Bonds last year, and now she's getting what she wants through publishing this false book. Denies the steroid allegations.
What a circus.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3394142
Quote from: MURP on February 08, 2005, 12:51:30 PM
Canseco is a scumbag. He may be telling the truth or he can be lying out of his ass. Frankly I cant say I trust anything he says.
What a piece of shtein. He's pissed that he'll never make the Hall of Fame and still craves the limelight.
This is just terrible for baseball. It's worse than the strike. The players will still play but wether Canseco's allegations are true or not, Baseball has been struck a blow that it will be years putting behind it. And it's just getting started. I guess it had to happen sometime or another. You reap what you sew. The bad thing is history will view the past 20 years of baseball as an era were records were achieved with the aid of a illegal drug. It's gonna hurt guys like Cal Ripken, and other great players who didn't use.
I don't know about you guys, but I think this is saaad, sad, sad. This is worse than the Pete Rose gambling scandal that went on for years. It's worse than the Black Sox thing. Whats really bad about it is that no one will ever know the real truth unless more players admit thier use, and I don't think most of them are the Cansenco type of rats.
I'll say this also, as much as the players are at fault for using, I blame baseballs owners also. Baseball hasn't had a real commishioner since Fay Vincent. Basically for the last ten years, it's been a slipshod orginization without adequate steroid testing. With no one to stand up to the players union, you have no cap and teams like the Yankees spending Billions for players while other teams like Monteal fold and end up owned by the league. You also had no steroid testing for the last twenty years before this last, while football has had it all along. Say what you want about Tagliabue, he runs a tight ship.
P.S. I say Baseball had no steroid testing because guys were using and getting away with it even after testing was started.
Testing may never be able to keep up with the very newest drugs. I think chemical enhancement will be a part of most sports indefinitely.
Heard on ESPN radio today that Cansenco even blast Cal Ripken in his new book. Geez, talk about bitter. I'm gonna' look for the quote, but basically Cansenco blast Ripken for being a media darling, and always saying the right thing to the press.
What a douchbag. Cansenco had it all and let it get away. He didn't do what was necessary to have a great career like he could have. He didn't put in the time nor did he have the work ethic to make the most of his God given' ability, and then he tried to use steroids to make up for his laziness.
Being an Oriole fan, that piece of shtein has definatly crossed the line trying to punk Cal.
found it (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.ripken15feb15,1,472784.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball&ctrack=3&cset=true)
Quote"I can just throw up watching the total phonies go to work, guys like Cal Ripken or Alex Rodriguez; everything out of their mouths sounds like it was tested by some kind of focus group beforehand," Canseco writes of the two shortstops
Total phoney, eh? The man's work ethic was legendary is and still taught to Oriole minor leaguers through the entire orginization. He was the first player to play shortstop and hit for power and avg. I could fill this whole page with records he holds that prove he definatly ain't no phoney.
Quote"He even got a pass on the way he dealt with the other players. He used to stay at a separate hotel from the rest of the team, and take a separate car from the team bus. The official explanation was that it was for security reasons, but we minority players couldn't help feeling otherwise."
He's even bringing race into it, that jerkoff. It's been well publisized about Ripken during his run at Lou Gehrigs record, staying in different hotels and riding in seperate vehicles to the park. That was to try and keep his local a secret from the media, which never worked anyway, so the media crush was diverted from the other players. It was a crush too. The guy couldn't even walk from the hotel door to his ride without having ten microphones shoved in his face. And he handled it all very well, I might add.
Understandably though, there were players on his team who didn't think too much of it. But most of them would look at the way he worked and prepared for the game and judge him on that. He was respected greatly by most everyone in the Orioles orginization.
But.........why would you have to be a minority player to be upset at the treatment Cal was recieving?? Were does race fit into this whole situation?? Cal worked his ass off to be the player he was, and to be dissed by a drug using waste of a career player like Cansenco makes me sick.
Isn't half of baseball made up of guys from South America, Latin America, and Cuba? How the farg is he a minority?
Quote from: General_Failure on February 16, 2005, 05:58:46 PM
Isn't half of baseball made up of guys from South America, Latin America, and Cuba? How the farg is he a minority?
Exactly! And he says "WE MINORITY PLAYERS couldn't help but feel otherwise." Who the farg is WE?? Half the league felt that way?? If they did, not a single one said it. The only two guys I've ever heard trash Rip are Barry Bonds and Cansenco. Yeah, that says it all right there.
Bonds says his testicles are the same size (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3439412)
:paranoid
Yeah, the same size as his brain.
giambi homered against the bosox the other day.
WAR the cream! :yay
Quote from: mhunt on March 09, 2005, 02:16:54 PM
giambi homered against the bosox the other day.
WAR the cream! :yay
Dude, your Yankees boner is showing. Put that shtein away.
boners are for the regular season...in spring training i only get a chub.
NY Daily News basically outs McGwire as a roider (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2011689)
More on McGwire (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.mcgwire13mar13,1,4099150.story?coll=bal-sports-headlines)
QuoteBut two dealers caught in Operation Equine told the Daily News that a California man named Curtis Wenzlaff provided Canseco and McGwire, among others, with illegal anabolic steroids. One informant in the case says Wenzlaff injected McGwire at a gym in Southern California on several occasions and established "arrays" of performance-enhancing drugs, such as the aforementioned cocktail.
KC Star reported that Jeremy Giambi was on 'roids too....
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 13, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
KC Star reported that Jeremy Giambi was on 'roids too....
Here's an AP link with the same story:
Report: Jeremy Giambi admits he used steroids (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-jeremygiambi-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns)
I guess that is proof that Roids dont really help all that much. ;)
Wired has a story about how elective surgery (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/start.html?pg=2) could be used to enhance athletes beyond what steroids can do.
There's no turning back the clock now, folks.
Thanks for the link. Good read. Fair questions.
McGwire refuses to name names (including himself). Looks very likely he was using roids.
Denied using, under oath: Palmeiro, Sosa (it wasn't a cork hearing).
Palmeiro has been one of the few who have vehamently denied using. He has Oriole owner Peter Angelos's law firm as his lawyers, and they're exploring the possibility of a law suite against Jose. It was Angelos who won the Asbestos case and got billions for those who suffered and the families of those who died from cancer caused by Asbestos.
Palmeiro is about the only guy who has been accused that looks like he could be telling the truth when he denies using because he never bulked up like Sosa, Bonds or McGwire.
You think it's a circus now, wait and see if Palmeiro takes this thing to court.
i'm retired.
i'm not going to talk about the past.
the end.
McGwire's refusal to deny taking them spoke volumes to me. I liked how Palmeiro spoke though. Sammy's interpreter/reader was a joke.
Quote
Congressman: Take McGwire's name off highway
By JIM SALTER, Associated Press Writer
March 18, 2005
ST. LOUIS (AP) -- A St. Louis congressman wants Mark McGwire's name stripped off the stretch of highway that was named after Big Mac following his 70-homer season in 1998.
``It would take an act by the state legislature, but I don't think he deserves a name on the highway if he can't be forthcoming about his involvement with this issue,'' U.S. Rep. William Lacy Clay, a Missouri Democrat, told The Associated Press on Friday.
McGwire refused to tell the House Government Reform Committee on Thursday whether he had used steroids. Clay is a member of that panel.
Gov. Mel Carnahan signed legislation in 1999 officially naming a five-mile stretch of Interstate-70, from the city's western edge to the Illinois border, ``Mark McGwire Highway.''
The chairman of the state Senate Transportation Committee said McGwire's name will remain, as far as he's concerned.
``Mark McGwire was a hero of baseball in St. Louis,'' state Sen. Jon Dolan said. ``He remains so and must deal with the choices he's made. But nothing he did would change my mind about what we do or don't name highways.''
Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro and Frank Thomas told the committee Thursday they did not use illegal steroids. McGwire has previously denied steroid use, but under oath repeatedly sidestepped questions by saying he wouldn't discuss his past.
``It was disappointing because I didn't think he took the opportunity to make clear to his fans and the rest of America that he was not under the influence of steroids when he set those home run records in 1998,'' Clay said. ``He does not come clean. He's not forthcoming. His fans and the public want to know, where do you stand on this, Mark McGwire?''
Even Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, who managed McGwire both in Oakland and St. Louis, said he was surprised by McGwire's testimony.
``He's made a statement where he's denied it, and I thought it was a great time to make that same statement,'' La Russa said at spring training. ``I think he was kind of coached into saying this one thing, 'I'm here about the future, not about the past.' I was surprised he didn't repeat what he said earlier. I think it would have helped his cause.''
St. Louis is bashing Big Mac all over the place today... and for good reason, IMO.
McGwire, if I were him I wouldn't want to talk about the pass either, lying bastich. He is concerned about negative impact on him and his family? That's what happens when you cheat icehole!
(http://home.neb.rr.com/amygdala/bonds_asterisks.jpg)
Bah! Good one, PG.
That's awesome.
:yay
Some guy from the Rockies (Rocky Piedra?) was just suspended for testing positive for 'performance enhancing drugs'. I think the guy is in AAA or something. Just thought I'd pass that along since ESPN has become the 24 hour all steroid network.
Found the link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2034778)
Quote from: Zanshin on December 02, 2004, 08:16:13 AM
Bonds doesn't strike me as that kind of guy. I think they could have him dead-to-rights and he'd still deny it, if only to give a big FU to anyone asking the question.
This thread was being looked at so I checked it out. This post by Zanshin could not be more on point. He's suing over the book that outed his steroid use as we speak. What a farging putz.
Clemens, Pettitte, Tejada listed in Grimsley case (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2609002)
along with Brian Roberts and Jay Gibbons.