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I can think back to a year ago, or maybe even a few months ago, people here hated TO....some mocked him with the avater of him crying.......just the thought of him being an Eagle, at the time would have been far fetched, but i remember the topic coming up....most would say they would want him, afraid his selfish play and big ego would hurt what the Eagles had....now some of those same people are busting a nut over the thought he could be an Eagle next year....i jusr don't understand some people.....

Quote from: Eminem on March 10, 2004, 01:55:52 PM
I can think back to a year ago, or maybe even a few months ago, people here hated TO....some mocked him with the avater of him crying.......just the thought of him being an Eagle, at the time would have been far fetched, but i remember the topic coming up....most would say they would want him, afraid his selfish play and big ego would hurt what the Eagles had....now some of those same people are busting a nut over the thought he could be an Eagle next year....i jusr don't understand some people.....

We've been infected with TO-itis... its easy to catch and extremely hard to get rid of. I'm not proud of it, but I too have been touched by the disease. Whatever, get TO. Woo hoo.

Yeah, well, the interminable suffering caused by watching Trash and Stinkston get shut down in the playoffs by mediocre CBs like McKenzie and Ricky Manning Jr. can alter a die-hard fan's perspective like that. :afro

Hi...my name is Sus, and I'm a TO-rumor addict. I've gotta admit, though...this is much more entertaining than watching Quinton Caver in the offseason.  :spank

Not this Eagles fan. The minute TO did what he did in that Dallas game, I've been a HUGE fan of his.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 10, 2004, 02:40:03 PM
Not this Eagles fan. The minute TO did what he did in that Dallas game, I've been a HUGE fan of his.

Agreed. Better yet, he did it twice!!

I've never had a real problem with TO (but him blowing up at the OC last year was embarassing to watch) as he's a really, really, exciting player to watch.

I too am surprised at Philadelphia fans jumping onto and off of the bandwagon.  That never happens in this city!!

I can understand the excitement of wanting such a talented WR......but like i said, some of you same people badmouthed TO left and right before the rumor came along....i mean really talk about a bandwagon here.....i'd rather have Thrash and Pinkston shut down then have a guy like Owens come in demanding the ball every chance he gets and ruining team chemstry....i'd rather take a chance on a free agent and Freddie Mitchell......we may not have a All pro reciever.....but we'll have a reciever that hopefully knows the meaning of team ball....that will get us farther than guys like TO and Keyshawn ever could....regardless of rather its the NFC championship game......Then next thing you know TO will be crying about wanting to move onto another team....

T.O. just wants to win that badly, he isn't a bad guy like everyone makes him out to be.  When has he ever been in trouble off the field, he just wants to win.

Quote from: New Green Monster on March 10, 2004, 03:03:58 PM
T.O. just wants to win that badly, he isn't a bad guy like everyone makes him out to be.  When has he ever been in trouble off the field, he just wants to win.

I still dont know how I feel about him being an eagle. I'm torn with it.

but that is true that he does not have off the field stuff. but what happens if #5 has a bad game or 2, what happens when TO starts mouthing off after the honeymoon has worn off? That is what concerns me.

I can't really remember anybody bad-mouthing him.  A person here or there said they weren't sure if he would be a cancer and most of assumed Andy would not even try and bring him in.  

I actually used that avatar for a while b/c it the only pic of TO available from the profile menu....not to mock him but to say Get TO(i didn't know how to post my own avatar pic).

Quote from: Eminem on March 10, 2004, 03:01:56 PM
I can understand the excitement of wanting such a talented WR......but like i said, some of you same people badmouthed TO left and right before the rumor came along....i mean really talk about a bandwagon here.....

You have some evidence to back this up since you keep saying it?

Quote from: Eminem on March 10, 2004, 03:01:56 PMi'd rather have Thrash and Pinkston shut down then have a guy like Owens come in demanding the ball every chance he gets and ruining team chemstry....

Sorry but this is one of the dumbest things you could have said. You'd rather have Thrash and Pinkston?  ???

Im not sure which thread its in but i think in the interview with Stephen A. Smith where he talks about Donovan and himself with aspirations like Rice and Montana.  That being said i don't think he will start complaining at all.  He also talked about Westy and Buck and how great all three would compliment each other.  Sounds like he wants to win and knows that it takes ground game too.  

Bottom line is...we know talent when we see it.  Anything is an upgrade over Thrash.  C'mon...not a single soul can say otherwise.  
And I, like PG, have been a huge fan of TO since his infamous gallop to the star at the center of THE WORST stadium in the NFL!

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Quote from: Eminem on March 10, 2004, 03:01:56 PM
I can understand the excitement of wanting such a talented WR......but like i said, some of you same people badmouthed TO left and right before the rumor came along....i mean really talk about a bandwagon here.....

You have some evidence to back this up since you keep saying it?

yeah really, where is this coming from?  There are some posters that dont want TO.  There might be one or two who changed their mind, and there are plenty who always would have taken him.  Where is this bandwagon stuff coming from?  

The only crying picture on here was the one (now being used by you as an avatar) that we used as picture of the week on the main site like 2 or 3 years ago. We do that for EVERY team the week we play them on the main site.

I've never questioned his ability, I just figured Reid would never brigng him in.  I'd love to have him on the team, but I'm getting sick of all the TO speculation.  Just let me know YES or NO.

evidence? sorry i don't save every thread on file, so i don't really have that.....but i can remember a thread in particular....it was about 2 years ago at the pro bowl.........McNabb threw a pretty good pass to Owens for a touchdown and it started a thread here...someone said something to the fact that how nice that would be every sunday....and the majority of the responses were negative.....

As far as me saying it rather have Pinkston and Thrash....like i also said, if it were up to me i'd pick up some other WR via FA, and start Freddie Mitchell.....but if that weren't possible.....Yes i'd take Pinkston and Thrash over Owens......I think the team will only go down with Owens.....what success this team has had was because of the team unity....everyone believing in the concept of a team and running with it.....TO doesn't know the meaning of the word Team play.......He will ruin everybit of it.....If i am wrong though i will freely admit it....in fact if we get TO i hope he turns out to be something positive....but i don't see it happening....i think If he re signs with the Ravens for more money(happily) or goes onto any other team...we will be sitting back a year from now talking about how happy we are we didn't get TO.....seeing the trouble he is causing with the team he is with....Just like we did with Keyshawn not to long ago before he went to tampa bay....anybody remember that? We saw the final outcome there...

Dear Slim comparing Keyshawn to T.O. isn't very intelligent.

I think you are definitely mistaking this board for another one....

But nice rant anyway. (I have nothing but sarcasm to contribute)

I've always liked TO. Can't say I've loved him because I hardly love players outside the Eagles, but I've always liked TO.

Quote from: Eminem on March 10, 2004, 03:44:52 PM
evidence? sorry i don't save every thread on file, so i don't really have that.....but i can remember a thread in particular....it was about 2 years ago at the pro bowl.........McNabb threw a pretty good pass to Owens for a touchdown and it started a thread here...someone said something to the fact that how nice that would be every sunday....and the majority of the responses were negative.....

I don't know about whole threads, but you can check post from every poster here. When you find the post your looking for, click on the thread title. That would work wouldn't it?

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As far as me saying it rather have Pinkston and Thrash....like i also said, if it were up to me i'd pick up some other WR via FA, and start Freddie Mitchell.....but if that weren't possible.....Yes i'd take Pinkston and Thrash over Owens.....

No farging way man, even if TO came here and mucked every thing up and Reid traded or released him, we'd still be better off having to go get another receiver or two other than Thrash and Pinkston.

A lot of us used to think we we're fine with those two, and I would even get excited over a good game, but year after year of watching them choke, drop passes in big games, and never get the job done on a consistant basis has messed up everyones attitude towards them.

I've been one who for three years has been saying that McNabb needs what every great QB has had, a true no. 1 go-to receiver. TO might be that guy, and he might not. The odds are in our favor that he is, based on his previous preformances. If he ain't, then what are we out? Nuthin'.  We must have a consistant TD threat at the WR spot. A true thousand yard 100 catch guy. Nothing else will suffice, and if TO came here and didn't work out, we move on.

A change is needed, any change.

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As far as me saying it rather have Pinkston and Thrash....like i also said, if it were up to me i'd pick up some other WR via FA, and start Freddie Mitchell.....but if that weren't possible.....Yes i'd take Pinkston and Thrash over Owens.....

No farging way man, even if TO came here and mucked every thing up and Reid traded or released him, we'd still be better off having to go get another receiver or two other than Thrash and Pinkston.

A lot of us used to think we we're fine with those two, and I would even get excited over a good game, but year after year of watching them choke, drop passes in big games, and never get the job done on a consistant basis has messed up everyones attitude towards them.

I've been one who for three years has been saying that McNabb needs what every great QB has had, a true no. 1 go-to receiver. TO might be that guy, and he might not. The odds are in our favor that he is, based on his previous preformances. If he ain't, then what are we out? Nuthin'.  We must have a consistant TD threat at the WR spot. A true thousand yard 100 catch guy. Nothing else will suffice, and if TO came here and didn't work out, we move on.

A change is needed, any change.

Well said SB.  I look at it basically the same way.  Thrash and Pinkston have had their chances to prove themselves.  They haven't.  This isn't about going after a big name or anything like that, this is about strengthening a weak link in the chain.  If Thrash and Pinky would have been able to get the job done (and beleive me, I wish they did) then I may not be all for TO coming in.  Because then you would be tampering with team chemistry.  Pinky and Thrash have been among the main ingredients in the team's "chemistry" for 3 years now and it keeps blowing up in our faces.  Time to try a new formula.  

We know that Thrash and Pinky can't get the job done by themselves.  3 consecutive NFCC loses tell us that.  1 catch for 9 yards between the 2 of them vs Carolina tells us that.  Even if TO does nothing more than either of them he'll definately do no worse.  Now is the time to start taking risks.  And as critical as I've been over the FO in the past, if we get TO and it doesn't work out, there will be no complaints about the FO on this one.  

So what if some people ripped him when he was a 49er? Honestly, who gives a shtein?

I've ripped every opponent the same. I'm an equal opportunity ripper.

I distinctly remember blasting Dhani Jones for his stupid air banjo celebration.

If the Eagles are playing on Sunday, I hate the opposing team. I've called 53 guys a week (including some Eagles) farging bums.

But TO wants to be here. We want TO. Who gives a shtein what happened before with him? At least he's not a head-case like David Boston or Randy Moss. He ain't an angel like Marvin Harrision, but he's damn good.

And yeah, the Dallas star incident left a nice warm spot in my heart for TO.

2 years ago? The crux of your argument is based on a probowl thread from 2 years ago?? Wow...  :o

Should I even bother reading the first page of this? I think I get the point from the second page.

Em, I do not and have never wanted TO on this team. I have bought into the system that Reid has established here, I know that it can win a SB. But I think it is extreme to say that I would ever accept Thrash and Pinkston being placed in such a position of responsibility again. I don't know what the answer is to improve the offense sans Owens,perhaps the Birds can again move up high enough in the draft and find an impact receiver.

Quote from: General_Failure on March 10, 2004, 10:00:20 PM
Should I even bother reading the first page of this? I think I get the point from the second page.

Nah, don't bother. It's like watching a soap opera...you could watch a show once a month and know the entire plotline.

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Quote from: General_Failure on March 10, 2004, 10:00:20 PM
Should I even bother reading the first page of this? I think I get the point from the second page.

Nah, don't bother. It's like watching a soap opera...you could watch a show once a month and know the entire plotline.

Soap operas are weak sauce.

try to hone in on what reid thinks about all this. The FO called kearses agent one second after midnight. There was a sense of urgency to it. NO ONE was going to beat them to this guy. & that's whats lacking with the TO scenario. Terrell Owens could walk a lamb chop past a wolf. He is arguably the best receiver in football, unarguably 2nd or third. & we offer a 5th round and thrash??? Substitute the eagles for the 49ers. Put Mcnabbs name in place of TO.Other than those changes everythings the same. Are we going to entertain a 5th round in lieu of a second? Why didnt we keep them on the phone-sure were going to try and get away with a 5th but keep them on the phone and get the deal done. Everyone knew Baltimore and Atlanta were hunting for the guy & we tell them we'll get back to them after jasons press conference????!! DUST MY BROOM. The whole thing revolves around reids philosophy. He's on record as saying when he was at GB Brent didn't have any big name receivers. He actually believes that. The way you and I believe we're going to wake up tomorrow morning.

Who are Jason and Brent?

brett, jevon, jason,bart, hosenpepper inorporated

I think he meant Jevon Kearse and Brett Fav-rah...or Jason Taylor and Brent Jones. ;)

Damnit, no more guys with two first names! :boom

Quote from: General_Failure on March 12, 2004, 12:58:14 PM
Damnit, no more guys with two first names! :boom

No Issac Bruce or Bruce Matthew(s)?

Quote from: General_Failure on March 12, 2004, 12:58:14 PM
Damnit, no more guys with two first names! :boom

Lemme tell ya... Freddie Mitchell is one of my favorite Eagles.  I also like Greg Lewis and Chad Lewis and Corey Simon.  Nate Wayne is pretty cool too....  ;D

Quote from: EagleFeva on March 12, 2004, 04:32:01 PM

Quote from: General_Failure on March 12, 2004, 12:58:14 PM
Damnit, no more guys with two first names! :boom

Lemme tell ya... Freddie Mitchell is one of my favorite Eagles.  I also like Greg Lewis and Chad Lewis and Corey Simon.  Nate Wayne is pretty cool too....  ;D

Don't forget about Keith Adam(s), Michael Lewis, Quintin Mikell, Jon Ritchie, Hollis Thomas, Tra Thomas, and Norman Lejeune :paranoid

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:K0WCNVv2Q3UJ:www.claymores.co.uk/photos/2000/week8stacysideline.jpg)

How about Siran Stacey?  I know no one has a problem with Siran Stacey.  

Johnnies come lately, I already had all those names as my signature last year. :P

Quote from: NB on March 12, 2004, 04:37:09 PM
Don't forget about Keith Adam(s), Michael Lewis, Quintin Mikell, Jon Ritchie, Hollis Thomas, Tra Thomas, and Norman Lejeune :paranoid

Is Lejeune a first name?  I only know of 2 people with that name, Norman being 1 and Gen John A. Lejeune (13th Commandant of the Marine Corps) being the other.  

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We've been infected with TO-itis... its easy to catch and extremely hard to get rid of. I'm not proud of it, but I too have been touched by the disease. Whatever, get TO. Woo hoo.

Yet another case of TO-itis.  :P

I never liked him until the Dallas incident . Instantly he came into my good graces.  ;D

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Quote from: NB on March 12, 2004, 04:37:09 PM
Don't forget about Keith Adam(s), Michael Lewis, Quintin Mikell, Jon Ritchie, Hollis Thomas, Tra Thomas, and Norman Lejeune :paranoid

Is Lejeune a first name?  I only know of 2 people with that name, Norman being 1 and Gen John A. Lejeune (13th Commandant of the Marine Corps) being the other.  

That is why I put the " :paranoid" at the end.  I didn't know if anyone would read it anyways :D

I still love bringing back old threads and wondering if i should drop an "i told you so"

Whatever.  You can't sit there and say the 2004 season wasn't enjoyable...

BigEd laying the smack down!

Get him , Ed! ;D

I hate when people go back through dozens of pages looking for a thread they started just to say "HAHAHA...I TOLD YOU I WAS RIGHT!".  F off...  >:(

Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2005, 10:11:32 AM
I hate when people go back through dozens of pages looking for a thread they started just to say "HAHAHA...I TOLD YOU I WAS RIGHT!".  F off...  >:(

I'd gladly go through this shtein all over again to experience the 2004 season.

You also told us that Quinton Caver was going to be a great player and how about your boy: Bobbie Williams. Gonna come back and tell us you were right about how awesome they are?

Lets see what you had to say about TO in the super bowl.  link (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.msg244696#msg244696)

Quote from: Bristow on February 06, 2005, 11:16:43 PM
TO had more heart then anybody in this game today....

Quote from: Bristow on December 21, 2004, 01:08:27 AM
I mean i realize we are a better team with Terrell Owens, that much is obviose

It's obviose that Bristow's a fair-weather jagoff.

Quote from: FFatPatt on August 12, 2005, 10:56:36 AM
It's obviose that Bristow's a fair-weather jagoff.

I don't think it could be said any better than that.  Has he even posted since March?

Quote from: MURP on August 12, 2005, 10:44:09 AM

You also told us that Quinton Caver was going to be a great player and how about your boy: Bobbie Williams. Gonna come back and tell us you were right about how awesome they are?

Lets see what you had to say about TO in the super bowl.  link (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.msg244696#msg244696)

Quote from: Bristow on February 06, 2005, 11:16:43 PM
TO had more heart then anybody in this game today....

Quote from: Bristow on December 21, 2004, 01:08:27 AM
I mean i realize we are a better team with Terrell Owens, that much is obviose

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I mean i realize we are a better team with Terrell Owens, that much is obviose

not anymore...at this point they would not be a better team with him...so yes things have changed

Quote from: MURP on August 12, 2005, 10:44:09 AM

You also told us that Quinton Caver was going to be a great player and how about your boy: Bobbie Williams. Gonna come back and tell us you were right about how awesome they are?

Lets see what you had to say about TO in the super bowl.  link (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.msg244696#msg244696)

Quote from: Bristow on February 06, 2005, 11:16:43 PM
TO had more heart then anybody in this game today....

People always wanna bring buy caver lol i never said he was great or gonna be great so get that shtein straight....he was just someone i went to school with and therefor i was rooting for him....so get shtein straight

Quote from: Bristow on December 21, 2004, 01:08:27 AM
I mean i realize we are a better team with Terrell Owens, that much is obviose

Yeah, you really showed us, Bristow.

:-D


BTW: I don't give a shtein what T.O. does at this point.  His presence helped put the Eagles over the top and get to the Super Bowl.  I finally got to experience what it's like to see the Eagles in the biggest game in the world and T.O. performed exceptionally in it.  If you're any kind of Eagles fan, that should be all that matters.

So put that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

Quote from: Bristow on August 11, 2005, 09:00:14 PM
I still love bringing back old threads and wondering if i should drop an "i told you so"

I don't see were this makes any point as to your thoughts about how posters here flipped flopped so much. I wouldn't trade anything for last season, no matter what TO does this year. And yes, we are a much, much better team with him on the field. Off the field has absolutly nothing to do with anything on the field, and TO's numbers last year back that up.

It took him only 13 games to completly take over the Eagles record book for recievers, and there are the few who want to say that we aren't a better team with him on the field?!?!?!? You guys need help, seek it please.

Shorebird,

I will not deny that watching TO perform last season was special.  There has never been a receiver in my Eagles-watching life that has equaled his production and entertainment last season.  And I agree, based on talent alone, the Eagles are undoubtedly a better team with Owens.

However, this season is not just about on-field action.  There are so many issues surrounding TO, and we cannot just assume that it will have no impact on the performance of Owens, or of the team that must constantly be bombarded with TO's hijinks and the resulting media frenzy.

IF Terrell Owens could eliminate, or even severely curtail, the off-field antics and me-first team-destructive behavior, I would love to see him back.  But, given his antics and apparent denial that there is anything more important than him, the Eagles, even factoring in the downgrade in talent, could indeed be better off this year without him.

The best scenario, of course, would be that TO and the FO come to some sort of detente, and can co-exist for a full season and post-season.  This team could be deadly with a relatively peaceful TO on the flank.

The worst scenario is NOT a team without TO.  It would be a team that tries to placate TO, who continues his behavior, and even escalates it until Reid and the FO finally have enough and either release, trade, or suspend him for the season.  With him on or off the team, this would become the central theme for every week, win or lose, and especially if McNabb and the offense struggles without him.  TO could sit in the background, saying every week, "If they had just paid me a fair wage, I'd be there catching balls for them, blah blah blah."  Or they try to ride out the storm and TO plays the petulant, spoiled NFL egomaniac and McNabb, Reid, and the team have to constantly answer questions about TO.  Include the "inside rumor" following a loss that TO didn't give his best effort because he is unhappy, and the whole season could explode.

I do think that, if TO plans on entering the season as a total disruption until he gets his way, it is better for the Eagles to part ways sooner, rather than later.  This team is good-  no, not as good talent-wise without TO, but still good- and don't need to self-destruct this season because of Terrell Owens.

The only thing I can say to that post Geo, is that one way or the other, it will all come to bear on Wed. Reid won't let it get to the point were it pours over into the regular season. I'll bet TO gets an ultimatum on Wed."Shut up and play, prove your worth, or hit the road and sit unless we find a team ready to deal for you."