2011 Philadelphia Phillies Season Thread (choking awful pos team, DIAF)

[Sgt PSN]

This would be an appropriate game to give Grit credit for the offense putting runs across the plate. 

3-14 as a team w/risp though.  Yikes. 

[MDS]

This isn't fun when you queens aren't whining

[Sgt PSN]

basticho didn't throw a single first pitch strike.  He sucks. 

[PhillyGirl]

They scored 7 runs and Cliff Lee was dealing. I dunno, I could care less how many were LOB.

[ice grillin you]

why what was their LOB number?

[MDS]

believe it or not LOB is a good stat

it means youre putting runners on base. that is good. good teams have a lot of LOBs because its logistically impossible to always produce with RISP. oh shtein no he di int.

[Sgt PSN]

LOB is a good stat assuming that some of those runners are getting into scoring position and subsequently coming home. Doesn't do much good if you get 9 base runners in a game but they all get stranded at 1st. 

[ice grillin you]

lol billy beane....people not scoring is awesome!

i think you mean avg with runners in scoring position is good not LOB

[Sgt PSN]

lol billy beane....people not scoring is awesome!

i think you mean avg with runners in scoring position is good not LOB

I get what he means.....typically when teams score a lot of runs, they leave a lot of base runners because the odds of clearing the bases every time someone gets on are astronomically low even for a hot hitting team. 

It's somewhat flawed thinking because it's not a 2 way theory.  While scoring a lot of runs typically leads to leaving a lot of men on base, leaving a lot of men on base doesn't mean you're scoring a lot of runs. 

In short, avg w/RISP is usually where it's at. 

[MDS]

LOB is a good indicator that youre putting men on base and setting yourself up to score runs.

if you lead the league in the LOB and also lead the league in runs (something im guessing the phillies did or came close to doing back in the day), thats fine. LOBs are a part of scoring a lot of runs and having a good offense.

but if you somewhat exlusively dont score runs but leave a lot of runners on base, well, that wouldnt be good. obviously.

the phillies scored 7 runs today and also left a lot of men on base. fine. most of the time they score 2 runs and leave no one on base because they dont put anyone there.

[Sgt PSN]

Rather than argue, I think I'm going to defer to the little guy on this one.  If anyone knows about getting to 1st base but failing to score, it's him. 

[ice grillin you]

lol billy beane....people not scoring is awesome!

i think you mean avg with runners in scoring position is good not LOB

I get what he means.....typically when teams score a lot of runs, they leave a lot of base runners because the odds of clearing the bases every time someone gets on are astronomically low even for a hot hitting team. 

It's somewhat flawed thinking because it's not a 2 way theory.  While scoring a lot of runs typically leads to leaving a lot of men on base, leaving a lot of men on base doesn't mean you're scoring a lot of runs. 

In short, avg w/RISP is usually where it's at.

its a nerd theory and in this case a south jersey homer defense mechanism

[PhillyGirl]

Rather than argue, I think I'm going to defer to the little guy on this one.  If anyone knows about getting to 1st base but failing to score, it's him.

LOL

[MDS]

haha. hey, im getting set up with some mexican who's already 1 kid deep. even i cant screw this up, right?

but yea, its not a "video game nerd" stat, and nor am i a video game nerd. LOBs are simply a byproduct of scoring runs.

p.s. the phillies have scored more runs this year than both atlanta and florida. there ya go.

[ice grillin you]

yeah atlanta and florida arent winning the world series either