lane johnson - OT - i wouldnt have gone in this direction but you cant argue with the pick - B
zach ertz - TE - stupid idiocy but at least hes a solid player - C
bennie logan - DT - not only is he not a solid player hes a terrible one - F
matt barkley - QB - in one of the best 4th rounds ever he was a non fit and unnecessary - D
earl wolff - S - very good pick....he will start one day...maybe soon - A-
joe kruger - DE - solid pick but there were better options - B-
jordan poyer - CB - if he makes the team he will be a sick special teamer - C
david king - DT - excellent value.....better player than bennie logan - A
overall grade - D
I never once paid any attention to Logan in the games I saw him in so I don't know shtein, but you're literally the only person I've read who thinks this guy sucks. Your hatred amuses me greatly.
Grade = A
i would bet money that 95% of the people who are saying bennie logan is great have never seen him play
and 50% of those people never heard of him until yesterday
I've watched a lot of LSU games and I like him. I think he will be a good player.
Lane Johnson = Chip admitted they had Dion Jordan rated higher and would have taken him had he been there at four. I didn't want an OL high and I would've loved to have traded back and gotten Jarvis Jones. Hell I would've taken Jones at four if no trade partners were there. I believe he's going to be great. Johnson seems like a solid prospect and I like his athleticism and he plays angry. Despite my personal preference to not take an OL this was a safe pick. GRADE - B
Zach Ertz = he's a really good player and will give them a guy who presents matchup problems and playmaking ability. Two tight ends is all the rave now so they're keeping up with the trends. I didn't like the selection at this spot because I wanted defense to be the focal point. GRADE - C
Bennie Logan = I like the pick because he's a good interior OL and can play nose or end. I want versatility and solid run defenders and he's one of those guys. I probably would've taken Damontre Moore because he's got good sack numbers. I value on field production over measurables. However the Logan pick was still good. GRADE - B+
Matt Barkley = he cost himself a ton by going back to school to shoot for the Heisman and a championship. I didn't like the pick because I wanted a safety (Rambo or Thomas) here. However the value was there and it's a good pick based on that. He's prone to bad picks and his arm strength isn't the best. Hopefully he develops into a good player. I like him as a prospect better than Foles. GRADE - C+
Earl Wolff = a very good pick. He's fast and he can hit and like I said yesterday he's not named Jarrett or Coleman. GRADE - A
Joe Kruger = another value pick and fits into the interchangeable DL/OLB mold. I liked a few other players still on the board but they need big bodies on the line. GRADE - C
Jordan Poyer = excellent value pick here. Once again I think people get too wrapped up in measurables and his weren't appealing (not blazing fast and had a poor vertical). He could end up playing a lot and be a solid third or fourth guy and a plus special teamer. GRADE - A
David King = another good value guy in this spot. GRADE - B
OVERALL GRADE = C
I don't think they reached for anyone except perhaps Logan, my concern is they didn't address issues which I thought were pretty glaring (OLB/CB/DL/S). Example: I like Ertz but I rather would have spent that pick somewhere else, I'd have rather taken Moore than Logan etc. I like the Lane Johnson pick, didn't hate Ertz, and I actually like the Barkley pick the more I think about it, though it does speak to my earlier point about positional need. I think they got people slotted in appropriate spots (didn't 'reach') but I don't know about the positions selected until the 7th.
I'd give it a B- I guess.
ESPN/CNNSI both gave them B+.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 01:36:34 PMmy concern is they didn't address issues which I thought were pretty glaring (OLB/CB/DL/S)
They still added depth to all 4 spots though, and they'll add more in next year's draft. There's still a few FAs out there that could help if needed
Wasn't thrilled by the Lane pick but I understand it, Ertz is a good pickup, Logan was projected to be a 1st next year if he had stayed, Barkley could have a decent career if Chip is planning to put him in a hybrid WCO-passing, zone-read-rushing offense, Kruger brings size as a backup OLB/DE, and the rest of the picks should be decent depth if they make the team. Picking high, they were expected to have the best draft in the division, and I think they did. Solid B
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2013, 02:37:24 PM
Logan was projected to be a 1st next year if he had stayed
so was barkley
Barkley came back because he wasn't going top 2 with Luck and RGIII ahead of him and he gambled on a USC team that turned out to be awful and it cost him millions
bennie logans 2014 %'s
first round pick - 0
second round pick - 10
third round pick - 10
fourth round pick - 0
fifth round pick - 0
sixth round pick - 10
seventh round pick - 25
udfa - 45
Did Bennie Logan rob you or something?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2013, 02:47:33 PM
Did Bennie Logan rob you or something?
a not good player is a not good player....but if it will make you feel better i can say hes a great pick
You seem to be the only person saying his not a good player.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2013, 02:47:33 PM
Did Bennie Logan rob you or something?
Igys racist ...the truth is finally revealed.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2013, 02:49:35 PM
You seem to be the only person saying his not a good player.
i also happen to be the only person who has ever seen him play
do the mathematics
i have been and could be again massively wrong...time will show this....but imo the guy just isnt a good player
Overall Grade= A
Because Kurt Coleman is all but gone. That will make it an enjoyable viewing pleasure, even if we lose every game miserably.
Quote from: hbionic on April 28, 2013, 02:54:52 PM
Overall Grade= A
Because Kurt Coleman is all but gone. That will make it an enjoyable viewing pleasure, even if we lose every game miserably.
if you are gonna go "we" you at least have to watch the draft
Also if you average all igys grades (for arguments sake I assigned a C grade as 75 points...a B grade as 85 points etc. since he didn't specify plus or minus) the grade comes out to a high C average. I did the math in my head but in pretty sure that's correct.
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2013, 02:56:37 PM
Also if you average all igys grades (for arguments sake I assigned a C grade as 75 points...a B grade as 85 points etc. since he didn't specify plus or minus) the grade comes out to a high C average. I did the math in my head but in pretty sure that's correct.
you have to weight the picks tho....a great 7th round pick doesnt carry the same grade as a great second round pick
Which pick did you hate more Logan or Barkley?
bottom line is we can say whatever we want, the wolff's and poyer's of the world are likely going to be depth players and not much more (obviously there's a chance that's wrong but the majority of the time). the draft also isn't likely going to be made or broken on whether logan pans out or not. seems to me with the way it unfolded if lane johnson is franchise tackle the better part of the next decade and barkley becomes an effective starter, the draft will be good, and if those things don't turn out the draft will be bad, unless the 5th-7th round picks all contribute at high levels which is incredibly unlikely.
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2013, 03:02:18 PM
Which pick did you hate more Logan or Barkley?
i dont hate barkley....i fully admit i have no clue as to how good or bad any qb will be...my disagreement there is that they had much better options
bennie imo is a straight up bad player
Wah.
Solid B to B+.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2013, 02:52:09 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2013, 02:49:35 PM
You seem to be the only person saying his not a good player.
i also happen to be the only person who has ever seen him play
do the mathematics
i have been and could be again massively wrong...time will show this....but imo the guy just isnt a good player
I've seen a ton of LSU games.
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2013, 02:56:37 PM
Also if you average all igys grades (for arguments sake I assigned a C grade as 75 points...a B grade as 85 points etc. since he didn't specify plus or minus) the grade comes out to a high C average. I did the math in my head but in pretty sure that's correct.
Ha... I had nearly the same thing go through my head, but a GPA type thing. With Igy's grades, the Eagles would have a 2.3 GPA - not high C, but in the C ranger nevertheless.
Then I just figured it was the teacher in me and decided to not post it at the time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2013, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: hbionic on April 28, 2013, 02:54:52 PM
Overall Grade= A
Because Kurt Coleman is all but gone. That will make it an enjoyable viewing pleasure, even if we lose every game miserably.
if you are gonna go "we" you at least have to watch the draft
I watched some of it...but reading you guys is much more fun.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2013, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2013, 02:52:09 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2013, 02:49:35 PM
You seem to be the only person saying his not a good player.
i also happen to be the only person who has ever seen him play
do the mathematics
i have been and could be again massively wrong...time will show this....but imo the guy just isnt a good player
I've seen a ton of LSU games.
Unless we see a picture of you actually watching an LSU game we're not going to believe you.
J's gonna get his ass beat if he says "geaux"
I liked the Johnson pick. Since I don't follow college football very closely, I usually spend the month prior to the draft reading up on the 4 or 5 players who the Eagles are most likely to draft. It addresses a need. He's really athletic. He puts Danny Watkins on the bench. All around win. Sure, they probably could have traded back and still gotten one of the other top rated tackles, but it seems like they had Johnson as their top ranked T so I'm not gonna hate on them for picking a guy they more or less coveted.
Ertz in the 2nd just didn't make sense. TE isn't really that big of a need on this team so it's a bit of a head scratcher that they'd draft one so high. Looks like he can be a really nice player but I think the Eagles kind of put the cart in front of the horse a little bit.
I know practically nothing about Bennie Logan other than the fact that he played in the SEC. And that tells me that he's played against some of the best and biggest offensive lines in the country and had pretty good success against them. I'm not going to get super excited about this pick and I'm not condemning it either, but if they wanted a DT then the SEC is a good place to look.
I'd have been all over Barkley last year. Actually, I was all over Barkley last year. And it's not that my opinion of him is any different now than it was then, but I thought Barkley would have been a great fit for Reid's offense and I'm not really sure how he fits into Kelly's scheme. I do think he has the best pro-potential out of all the other QB's in this draft class though. I guess if Kelly is eyeing him as a potential franchise QB and is going to build an offense to Barkley's strengths, then this could very well be the steal of the draft. But things rarely work out that way in Philly so I'm not getting my hopes up.
The rest of the draft picks I know little to nothing about. Some brief reading of pre-draft reports on them all seem fairly encouraging though.
B- for now. If Barkley winds up being the real deal and the Eagles have a QB for 10 years then it's got A++ potential.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 28, 2013, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2013, 02:56:37 PM
Also if you average all igys grades (for arguments sake I assigned a C grade as 75 points...a B grade as 85 points etc. since he didn't specify plus or minus) the grade comes out to a high C average. I did the math in my head but in pretty sure that's correct.
Ha... I had nearly the same thing go through my head, but a GPA type thing. With Igy's grades, the Eagles would have a 2.3 GPA - not high C, but in the C ranger nevertheless.
Then I just figured it was the teacher in me and decided to not post it at the time.
Sounds like summer school.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 28, 2013, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 28, 2013, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2013, 02:56:37 PM
Also if you average all igys grades (for arguments sake I assigned a C grade as 75 points...a B grade as 85 points etc. since he didn't specify plus or minus) the grade comes out to a high C average. I did the math in my head but in pretty sure that's correct.
Ha... I had nearly the same thing go through my head, but a GPA type thing. With Igy's grades, the Eagles would have a 2.3 GPA - not high C, but in the C ranger nevertheless.
Then I just figured it was the teacher in me and decided to not post it at the time.
Sounds like summer school.
Summer school is a total waste, but that's a different story.
I have absolutely no problem with the Ertz pick. The guy is going to be good. Most everyone knew they were going to get one of three OT's and when Miami jumped up to get Jordon it was pretty much sealed. They need depth on the OL. Last year was a complete travesty on the offensive line.
I didn't know squat about Bennie Logan until Friday afternoon. I still don't.
Like the Wolff pick.
The others ??????
B
Sal Pal and Mikey Miss are on Sports Final and absolutely hate this draft
-- Lane only shot up the draft because the other OTs went 1-2 and he's just another Watkins
-- The Eagles wanted Jordan and got beat by Miami
-- Tavon Austin should've been the pick at #4, not Lane or Jordan
-- Ertz was a wasted pick
-- Barkley will never start for the Eagles, even though they traded up for him
-- They didn't fix their secondary at all
My grade: we'll see.
Sassy:
QuoteTE isn't really that big of a need on this team...
Kelly has all but guaranteed they're going to use two TE's in the base offense and sometimes three. Just saying...
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2013, 08:24:52 PM
J's gonna get his ass beat if he says "geaux"
hahaha... legit.
espn....
Lane Johnson
What he brings: Johnson might have more upside than the two tackles selected before him. He has good athleticism and played quarterback, tight end and defensive end before moving to OT the past two seasons, though his limited experience and lack of elite awareness are likely what put him behind Fisher and Joeckel. However, Johnson has very good feet in pass protection and as a run-blocker, and he plays with an edge and won't back down against any defender.
How he fits: In new head coach Chip Kelly's offense, you must have an offensive line that is athletic enough run a high volume of plays. Linemen must be able to block in space, get in and out of the huddle and show excellent awareness and the ability to adjust. Johnson fits this bill perfectly, both athletically and with his experience in an up-tempo offense. He gives this offensive line very interesting flexibility. If left tackle Jason Peters is healthy, Johnson can line up immediately at right tackle and move last season's starting right tackle Todd Herremans inside. That strengthens this entire unit. If Peters isn't what he once was physically, Johnson gives the Eagles insurance at left tackle.
Zach Ertz
What he brings: Ertz is a prototypical 'F' tight end, meaning his biggest impact will be made in the passing game. His ability to line up all over the formation makes it easier to create favorable matchups. He is an above-average route runner with the quickness and athleticism to separate working out of the slot, and he has the speed to work the seam from the in-line position. The trade-off is that he is just an average positional blocker, and might never be more than that.
How he fits: In this new Chip Kelly offense, there is a demand for a lot of varied personnel groupings and multi-tight end sets. Starter Brent Celek might be getting close to the end, and the other tight ends on this roster aren't big threats in the passing game. The Eagles will use Ertz as a matchup guy in motion and even flex him outside, and he will constantly be on the move. New offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur is a huge advocate of using the tight end position, so we will likely see Ertz and Celek on the field together a lot.
Bennie Logan
What he brings: Logan has a low center of gravity and the power base to hold his ground one-on-one in the phone booth. He uses his hands well to lock out and get off blocks. He is not a massive space-eater, though, and has a long way to go in terms of contributing as a pass-rusher.
How he fits: Under new coordinator Billy Davis, this is a unique 4-3 under defense. Pre-snap, it might look like a 3-4, but the right outside linebacker will walk up, and that provides a four-man pass rush. The Eagles have gotten good production out of defensive end Fletcher Cox, and they added former 49ers nose tackle Isaac Sopoaga in free agency, so Logan will most likely fit as an end in the 3-4 look.
Matt Barkley
What he brings: Barkley has just average size and arm strength, but outstanding leadership skills. He did not get good protection in 2012, which brought up concerns about his average mobility and athleticism. However, he is one of the more polished products from the quarterback class, coming from the USC pro-style system that relied on getting through progressions. When able to throw with rhythm and timing, he has the anticipation and accuracy to succeed and develop into an adequate starter.
How he fits: On one hand, this did not look like a critical need because the Eagles already have Michael Vick, Nick Foles and Dennis Dixon. But with a new coaching staff, you get the feeling Chip Kelly would like to develop his own guy. Although it would appear that Barkley doesn't fit the skill set that Kelly prefers his quarterbacks to have, Barkley is a very cerebral player and should be able to run the high volume of plays and make adjustments on the run, which this offense demands.
Earl Wolff
Wolff has just average instincts and needs to harness his aggressiveness against the run, because he overruns too many plays, but he has an above-average blend of size and speed. He's fast enough to play a center-fielder role and run with most slot receivers. He's also an effective wrap-up tackler when he takes a sound angle. This has been a big need for the Eagles' defense. This new coaching staff will likely utilize more Cover 2 and Cover 3 zone schemes and less man to man, which will take pressure off the Eagles' safeties in coverage.
Joe Kruger
Kruger has a prototypical frame with excellent length. He has good core strength, but needs to learn to play with more consistent pad level when setting the edge in the run. Kruger isn't an impact pass-rusher at this point, and must learn to stay low firing off the ball. We do like his effort, though, and he has potential to add depth up front.
Jordan Poyer
We are surprised Poyer lasted this long. He shows good technique and has above-average instincts finding and playing the ball. Poyer has experience playing both inside and outside. His lack of an ideal size and speed combination likely caused him to drop this far.
David King
King has an ideal frame and excellent core strength. He is strong enough to hold his gap at the point of attack. However, he provides very little as a pass-rusher and lacks ideal athleticism in general. King could provide another big body for depth up front as a run-stopper.
mel kiper...
Philadelphia Eagles
Needs: B
Value: A
Overall: B+
Summary: The Eagles really did well at the No. 4 spot. Lane Johnson has the best combination of upside and athleticism in the draft, and while he's an unfinished product, he's the perfect tackle to develop in Chip Kelly's fast-paced system. After that, we saw a kind of fun theme develop -- a head coach who gets a say in personnel decisions, taking players he should know really well. It started in Round 2, where the Eagles took my No. 2-ranked tight end. Well, Zach Ertz caught 11 passes against Kelly's Oregon Ducks last year. Matt Barkley also piled up huge numbers versus Oregon, and was the first pick taken in Round 4 (I once said I thought Barkley was a future first pick -- maybe I meant in Round 4?). Kelly wants competition at QB, and Barkley is going to come in ready to compete. Bennie Logan fits as a potential 3-4 DE or even a nose tackle, and Earl Wolff offers some depth at safety. They needed a corner and got another guy Kelly knows, Jordan Poyer from Oregon State. Joe Kruger isn't fast, but he could provide a pass rush in this system. Overall, I like what the Eagles accomplished.
cbs...
Philadelphia Eagles
Chip Kelly's offense requires great athleticism, not only from the skill positions but from his offensive line so far. Lane Johnson's quickness and speed will help him get out on the edge for Kelly's beloved bubble screens. Kelly took great advantage of tight ends while at Oregon, and he'll have a moveable chess piece with Zach Ertz to manipulate defenses geared toward stopping the established stars. Bennie Logan was a surprise, as many saw him as a better fit as a DT in a 4-3. Logan was far from the only schematic surprise, however, as the Eagles pulled one of the stunners of the draft with the selection of Matt Barkley in the fourth round. Having coached against him, Kelly certainly knows Barkley well and must really like him (as I do). While Barkley does not possess elite straight-line speed, he does have the intelligence to make decisions quickly as well as excellent accuracy while on the move, making him a potentially very nice fit in this offense. The USC product possesses the best combination of the three traits that I've found to be the best indicators of future success in the NFL -- accuracy, anticipation and awareness -- and I believe he'll prove his doubters wrong and emerge as the most successful of the 2013 quarterback class. Of the Eagles other day three selections, I really like the schematic fits of Utah defensive end Joe Kruger and Oregon State cornerback Jordan Poyer, two more highly productive Pac-12 performers whom Kelly (and GM Howie Roseman) know well.
Grade: A-
usa today...
Philadelphia Eagles: T Lane Johnson (No. 4 overall) projects as a special player and, given his rare athleticism, is uniquely qualified for Chip Kelly's high-octane offense. However, until the curtain goes up on Kelly's attack — and the revamped defense — we're not going to claim we understand how all this fits ... or if making a move for QB Matt Barkley was the right thing to do.
GRADE: C
SI....
Philadelphia Eagles
Until we know more about Chip Kelly's plans, let's just chalk the Matt Barkley pickup to finding a potential first-round QB at No. 98. The rest of this class figures to be more important in 2013. No one more so than OT Lane Johnson, who has the athleticism to thrive under Kelly. TE Zach Ertz could be a dangerous weapon in this offense, too. Defensively, expect DT Bennie Logan to help and CB Jordan Poyer to possibly prove the steal of the draft.
Grade: B-plus
sporting news....
Philadelphia Eagles: Top to bottom, Chip Kelly had a great first NFL draft — using his college knowledge, especially from the Pac-12, to the Eagles' advantage. Oklahoma left tackle Lane Johnson and Stanford tight end Zach Ertz are ideal athletes for what Kelly wants to do, and he ended up just needing a fourth-rounder to bring USC's Matt Barkley into his quarterback competition. Defensively, with Philadelphia transitioning to a 3-4, it got the key elements of a nose tackle (LSU's Bennie Logan), edge rusher (Utah's Joe Kruger) and a starting-caliber corner (Oregon State's Jordan Poyer) in Round 7.
Grade: A
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2013, 11:58:12 PM
Sal Pal and Mikey Miss are on Sports Final and absolutely hate this draft
-- Lane only shot up the draft because the other OTs went 1-2 and he's just another Watkins
-- The Eagles wanted Jordan and got beat by Miami
-- Tavon Austin should've been the pick at #4, not Lane or Jordan
-- Ertz was a wasted pick
-- Barkley will never start for the Eagles, even though they traded up for him
-- They didn't fix their secondary at all
i agree with pretty much all that except the take on the barkley pick....first of all how could they say he will never start for them and secondly they traded a 7th rounder to move up three spots...how can you be mad at that....its basically as minimal a trade up as you can get
The trade up value in this draft was ridiculous. Almost no one gave up much of anything to move up when they wanted to.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2013, 11:58:12 PM
Sal Pal and Mikey Miss are on Sports Final and absolutely hate this draft
-- Lane only shot up the draft because the other OTs went 1-2 and he's just another Watkins
-- The Eagles wanted Jordan and got beat by Miami
-- Tavon Austin should've been the pick at #4, not Lane or Jordan
-- Ertz was a wasted pick
-- Barkley will never start for the Eagles, even though they traded up for him
-- They didn't fix their secondary at all
i agree with pretty much all that except the take on the barkley pick....first of all how could they say he will never start for them and secondly they traded a 7th rounder to move up three spots...how can you be mad at that....its basically as minimal a trade up as you can get
Yeah, I don't really get that either. In fact, I'd say there's at least a 50/50 shot that Barkley starts a game this year. You know Vick is going to get hurt and miss a couple of games, which (as it stands right now) would leave Foles, Barkley and Dixon. Assuming that Dixon has no chance to ever start and that his only role is to help the other 3 qb's learn Kelly's playbook, it comes down to Foles and Barkley. So it's a coin flip at worst that Barkley will or won't start a game for them. Is he saying that Foles is vastly superior to Barkley that it would be a no contest? Because had Barkley come out last year, he'd have been a 1st round pick and Foles was lucky to go as high as he did.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 29, 2013, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2013, 10:21:27 AM
usa today...
We don't really care about sports.
GRADE: C
I actually busted up laughing at that.
You're still an assjack, though.
Quote from: Rome on April 29, 2013, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2013, 08:24:52 PM
J's gonna get his ass beat if he says "geaux"
hahaha... legit.
hahaha nice
My guy that I work with out of the parent company office is an LSU grad and he's all fired up
Sal Pal got Mikey Miss all on board the Tevon Austin thing last week. Sal wanted it so bad he almost sounded as sickening as Rick Reilly.
QuoteIn new head coach Chip Kelly's offense, you must have...
In this new Chip Kelly offense, there is a demand for...
Chip Kelly's offense requires...
No one knows what kind of system Kelly is going to run, so all of these evaluations are based on bullshtein. These guys know about as much as I do.
QuoteUntil we know more about Chip Kelly's plans....
The SI eval gets my attention because they start out by admitting that it's difficult to judge the draft without knowing what Kelly will do.
Dio nails it. Can Dio get a bronze statue at the hall of CF'ers?
chip kelly is so mysterious.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2013, 10:35:30 AMi agree with pretty much all that except the take on the barkley pick....first of all how could they say he will never start for them and secondly they traded a 7th rounder to move up three spots...how can you be mad at that....its basically as minimal a trade up as you can get
On the opposite side of stupidity, Les Bowen said:
QuoteGiven the fact that the team traded up to be in position to take him, with a porous secondary still unaddressed in the draft, you'd have to think Barkley is Kelly's quarterback of the future.
Yeah by giving up that precious seventh rounder, they have little choice but to start Barkley.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 29, 2013, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2013, 10:35:30 AMi agree with pretty much all that except the take on the barkley pick....first of all how could they say he will never start for them and secondly they traded a 7th rounder to move up three spots...how can you be mad at that....its basically as minimal a trade up as you can get
On the opposite side of stupidity, Les Bowen said:
QuoteGiven the fact that the team traded up to be in position to take him, with a porous secondary still unaddressed in the draft, you'd have to think Barkley is Kelly's quarterback of the future.
Yeah by giving up that precious seventh rounder, they have little choice but to start Barkley.
It was a perfectly timed move, considering that 4 QBs come off the board then. If they hadn't traded up they probably would not have gotten him. He was the consensus best QB still on the board at that time.
nm
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/205650021.html
pretty balanced analysis from someone w/o a dog in the hunt.
Nice read and fair analysis
its pretty much identical to mine but im a hater
Your Bennie Logan analysis is haterish.
if he stinks he stinks...i can only go by what i see....the exec said his play didnt show much but hes a leader...sounds like the polite version of what i said....hes a vanilla guy who wont produce in the nfl imo....i think im also more harsh on him because of where he was chosen and the other directions they could have gone in...whereas the guy domo is interviewing is strictly evaluating the player not the pick
Well you gotta be about the player now. We can lament the fact that maybe Damontre Moore should've been the guy or someone else but this is who they've got. So either he balls out or crashes and burns.
I like his game because I like the well rounded DL who can anchor the run but push the pocket a bit. I think he will be a guy who is solid but not spectacular
He's better than some clown like Bryan Smith, Chris Gocong or whatever project they used to pick up and try to sell as some diamond in the rough.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2013, 09:15:32 PM
He's better than some clown like Bryan Smith, Chris Gocong or whatever project they used to pick up and try to sell as some diamond in the rough.
Ain't that the truth.
Yo shore - where ya been?
Been around, not much to say in the offseason and I've tried to stay away from the political shtein cause I just piss everyone off.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2013, 09:15:32 PM
Well you gotta be about the player now. We can lament the fact that maybe Damontre Moore should've been the guy or someone else but this is who they've got. So either he balls out or crashes and burns.
I like his game because I like the well rounded DL who can anchor the run but push the pocket a bit. I think he will be a guy who is solid but not spectacular
He's better than some clown like Bryan Smith, Chris Gocong or whatever project they used to pick up and try to sell as some diamond in the rough.
hes a totally different player than either of those two but he will end up the same...hes basically like any number of scrub dt/de guys the birds hoped to throw in the mix over the last years....trevor laws.....abiamiri...lajuan ramsey ect....except unlike those guys he didnt even flash in college
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2013, 09:15:32 PMHe's better than some clown like Bryan Smith, Chris Gocong or whatever project they used to pick up and try to sell as some diamond in the rough.
Chris Gocong was actually one of the best picks in that round. Only six players from that round are still in the NFL and none of them are or were impact players.
Just trying to set proper expectations for a third rounder.
my problem with a bennie logan is that you dont even really give yourself a chance to succeed....a damontre moore could be nothing and odds are he will be but he gives you an opportunity to at least get an extra base hit if not a home run
and its nt just moore....this year was in particular a bad year to miss in the second or third round because of the incredible depth of this draft...just look at the 3rd round...there were so many ways to go that were far better than bennie logan
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2013, 09:15:32 PM
Well you gotta be about the player now.
Poor choice of words, maybe. I hope they all do well, but if they don't I'm going to
boo the shtein out of them complain about them here.
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Quote from: QB Eagles on April 29, 2013, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2013, 10:35:30 AMi agree with pretty much all that except the take on the barkley pick....first of all how could they say he will never start for them and secondly they traded a 7th rounder to move up three spots...how can you be mad at that....its basically as minimal a trade up as you can get
On the opposite side of stupidity, Les Bowen said:
QuoteGiven the fact that the team traded up to be in position to take him, with a porous secondary still unaddressed in the draft, you'd have to think Barkley is Kelly's quarterback of the future.
Yeah by giving up that precious seventh rounder, they have little choice but to start Barkley.
It was a perfectly timed move, considering that 4 QBs come off the board then. If they hadn't traded up they probably would not have gotten him. He was the consensus best QB still on the board at that time.
I don't necessarily agree with Bowen, and maybe it is the opposite. If a guy really thinks he can build and run systems around whatever the best players are that he can get, a 4th rounder is not much to pay for a solid backup type who is a good competent manager, even if he has to dummy down the offense. How Chipper used his earlier picks is more telling than his 4th, and he seems to be gathering his pieces for some modified version of what Chip is already known for. FA now and next year's priorities will be to build up the D and try to get a franchise qb.
gotta see another year out of him and if hes continues to progress youll need the number one overall pick to get him but teddy bridgewater has a chance to be the truth
Clowney goes 1 unless he rapes a Girl Scout in which case he still goes top 10.
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2013, 01:15:19 PM
Clowney goes 1 unless he rapes a Girl Scout in which case he still goes top 10.
no way....a franchise qb will always go ahead of any other position
Also too how about if maybe they actually play football next season first before we go predicting #1 picks. Because Matt Barkley is a thing that happens.
Pre-made argument for you knuckleheads (http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/78641/take-2-clowney-or-bridgewater-no-1-in-14)
Quote from: rjs246 on May 02, 2013, 01:53:40 PM
Also too how about if maybe they actually play football next season first before we go predicting #1 picks. Because Matt Barkley is a thing that happens.
How about instead you take my word for it?
I can see the future and shtein.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2013, 12:10:41 PM
lane johnson - OT - i wouldnt have gone in this direction but you cant argue with the pick - B
zach ertz - TE - stupid idiocy but at least hes a solid player - C
bennie logan - DT - not only is he not a solid player hes a terrible one - F
matt barkley - QB - in one of the best 4th rounds ever he was a non fit and unnecessary - D
earl wolff - S - very good pick....he will start one day...maybe soon - A-
joe kruger - DE - solid pick but there were better options - B-
jordan poyer - CB - if he makes the team he will be a sick special teamer - C
david king - DT - excellent value.....better player than bennie logan - A
overall grade - D
ROFL
How'd David King do this year?
really i stand by everything i said...nothing in there is remotely ROFL....in short if your obsession with me is going to send you on hunts for old posts of mine at least come up with some good ones....believe me there are a lot worse ones than that
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 22, 2014, 01:15:09 PM
How'd David King do this year?
omg a 7th rounder didnt make the team!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2014, 01:18:23 PM
really i stand by everything i said...nothing in there is remotely ROFL....in short if your obsession with me is going to send you on hunts for old posts of mine at least come up with some good ones....believe me there are a lot worse ones than that
71,043 to be exact.
Quote from: Chameleon on January 22, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 22, 2014, 01:18:23 PM
really i stand by everything i said...nothing in there is remotely ROFL....in short if your obsession with me is going to send you on hunts for old posts of mine at least come up with some good ones....believe me there are a lot worse ones than that
71,043 to be exact.
wait is that like a tricky way of saying all my posts suck?
LOL props to you dood!
Everyone loved the Logan pick.
everyone loves him now and thinks hes a future stud....i watched every play of his year on the all 22 and trust me hes not a very good nfl player...i feel as strong about that pick now as i did at the time of it
Haven't seen one person say he's a 'stud'. General consensus is he's a solid rotational player. Your assessment of him was he's a flat out bust. He can clearly play in the NFL.
The rest of your draft assessment I agree with for the most part.
He's a solid starter who has to improve his technique and get a lot stronger.
LOL @ the F, though. Then and especially now.