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Kip Farging Wells!
Ryan Howard for Kip Fargin Wells might be the worst deal ever.
The only trade mentioned in the last thread even worth considering would be the one for Arroyo. Young starter. Get rid of Wags which would suck but seems to be inevitable. I don't know. Go Flyers!
The baseball gods frown upon you, MURP. You have closed the thread that contained the mojo of the last two series. :evil
If they lose to the Fightin' NB & Bionic's it shall be your fault!
if the last thread really enabled the Phillies to win, im glad I shut it down. I hope they lose every game so Ed Wade is exiled to Iraq.
Know what would be farged up?
If they miss the playoffs again and Ed Wade is not fired.
With Monty running the show, I could see it happening. :'(
I wouldnt be surprised at all
Kip Wells is the shtein. He'll be a 20 game winner in Philly.
Bank on it.
god help me if the phillies obtain someone with the name Kip ::)
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 18, 2005, 04:10:51 PM
Kip Wells is the shtein. He'll be a 20 game winner in Philly.
Bank on it.
yeah, maybe 20 wins combined in 10 years.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 18, 2005, 04:10:51 PM
Kip Wells is the shtein. He'll be a 20 game winner in Philly.
Bank on it.
notice that you don't mention if he's playing for the phillies. just 20 wins in philly.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 18, 2005, 04:13:06 PM
god help me if the phillies obtain someone with the name Kip ::)
"I love technology........"
How about this one being talked about over on PP:
Wagner, Thome and somewhere between 30-70% of Thome's salary to Boston for Arroyo, Shoppach and Hanley Ramirez
Who's Hanley Ramirez?
SS for Sox minor leagues
I'd like that deal. But I'm torn. I don't think they're out of it yet and i don't want to see Thome leave. I'm still hoping that he'd turn it around.
Prospects that we need or playoffs?!? Argh!
Ramirez could also play 3rd and possibly CF (Boston thought about moving him there).
By the way...
Chase Utley has won NL Player of the Week. :yay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2005, 05:21:56 PM
By the way...
Chase Utley has won NL Player of the Week. :yay
My man Utley. :yay
By the way, what's up with Bell. I've noticed he hasn't played much since the break. Is it his back?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 18, 2005, 05:25:10 PM
By the way, what's up with Bell. I've noticed he hasn't played much since the break. Is it his back?
YES
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 18, 2005, 05:25:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2005, 05:21:56 PM
By the way...
Chase Utley has won NL Player of the Week. :yay
My man Utley. :yay
By the way, what's up with Bell. I've noticed he hasn't played much since the break. Is it his back?
Yeah -- he hurt it picking up a stack of magazines. Unbelievable. :-D
Bell = vadge
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2005, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 18, 2005, 05:25:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2005, 05:21:56 PM
By the way...
Chase Utley has won NL Player of the Week. :yay
My man Utley. :yay
By the way, what's up with Bell. I've noticed he hasn't played much since the break. Is it his back?
Yeah -- he hurt it picking up a stack of magazines. Unbelievable. :-D
Bell = vadge
Not sure I'd go there with that. Once the back goes once (which I believe it did with Bell), it's prone to go out again. My doctor told me to make sure to lift anything over 10 pounds using my legs and not the back.
Sounds hilarious, but it doesn't take much to screw up the back.
Besides, at least he didn't fall down the stairs carrying deer meat. :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2005, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 18, 2005, 05:25:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2005, 05:21:56 PM
By the way...
Chase Utley has won NL Player of the Week. :yay
My man Utley. :yay
By the way, what's up with Bell. I've noticed he hasn't played much since the break. Is it his back?
Yeah -- he hurt it picking up a stack of magazines. Unbelievable. :-D
Bell = vadge
Not that I don't think Bell is a Hoyda, but backs are tricky like that. I was pulling on my boot one day, pinched a nerve, hit the deck, and couldn't walk for about 20 minutes. It took a shot of Tordal and about 400 mgs of Valium through an IV to take the pain away. I just started working out again after 3 months of rehab :-\
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 18, 2005, 05:01:25 PM
How about this one being talked about over on PP:
Wagner, Thome and somewhere between 30-70% of Thome's salary to Boston for Arroyo, Shoppach and Hanley Ramirez
Like I said somewhere else, if Epstein offers that he's retarded. If Wade declines that, he's retarded. But we already knew that. Arroyo would most likely be your 3rd pitcher?, Shoppach would play as soon as Lieberthal leaves, and Ramirez could play for Bell, or Lofton/Michaels, whoever leaves first. Hanley is amazing.
Quote from: MURP on July 18, 2005, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 18, 2005, 04:10:51 PM
Kip Wells is the shtein. He'll be a 20 game winner in Philly.
Bank on it.
yeah, maybe 20 wins combined in 10 years.
:-D
Quote from: Dillen37 on July 18, 2005, 05:51:03 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 18, 2005, 05:01:25 PM
How about this one being talked about over on PP:
Wagner, Thome and somewhere between 30-70% of Thome's salary to Boston for Arroyo, Shoppach and Hanley Ramirez
Like I said somewhere else, if Epstein offers that he's retarded. If Wade declines that, he's retarded. But we already knew that. Arroyo would most likely be your 3rd pitcher?, Shoppach would play as soon as Lieberthal leaves, and Ramirez could play for Bell, or Lofton/Michaels, whoever leaves first. Hanley is amazing.
I'd make Shoppach the starter now and designate Lieberthal for assignment. :D
Shoppach strikes out alot, but he's got a good average, HR, and RBI totals.
Quote from: Dillen37 on July 18, 2005, 06:41:56 PM
Shoppach strikes out alot, but he's got a good average, HR, and RBI totals.
Lieberthal doesn't out a lot, or do the rest of it. He's in love with the popfly. :paranoid
Kiss of death: Peter Gammons just said that there was "no chance" the Phils would trade Billy Wagner.
Pack your bags, Billy!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 18, 2005, 06:48:01 PM
Kiss of death: Peter Gammons just said that there was "no chance" the Phils would trade Billy Wagner.
Pack your bags, Billy!
Gammons is the baseball equivalent of Merill Hoge.
Nats lost again. Braves are crushing San Fran. Florida up on the Dbacks
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 18, 2005, 06:48:01 PM
Kiss of death: Peter Gammons just said that there was "no chance" the Phils would trade Billy Wagner.
Pack your bags, Billy!
And not only did he say that but he said that Wags could even re-sign here this offseason.
Gammons did say that they were shopping Thome, Bell and Lieby though. So they could create money to go for other trades.
QuoteHomer haven
The Phils' park is taking hits for its dimensions. But is there a solution?
By Todd Zolecki
Inquirer Staff Writer
John Smoltz is no fan of Citizens Bank Park.
The Atlanta Braves pitcher criticized the Phillies' home field in an interview with ESPN during his team's 4-3 win there July 3. And at the All-Star Game in Detroit last week, Smoltz said that building a home-run-friendly ballpark in Philadelphia was "the worst decision ever made."
The Phillies are especially sensitive to comments like that. And they are concerned enough that they talked to ballpark designers after last season and said recently that they are open to looking into possible solutions. One of those solutions could be moving the fences back. The team doesn't want its $458 million ballpark, which opened last year, to become a punch line, as Smoltz suggests.
"They'll prove me wrong if they win a championship," said Smoltz, who someday is headed for the Hall of Fame. "I've played a long time, and some of the balls that are leaving there - it's not right. It's a joke."
It seems every other homestand there is an opponent who takes a shot at the park. In between, the Phillies' pitchers do.
"The park is not playing out as we expected, because we felt we designed a neutral facility," Phillies president David Montgomery said. "And right now, it's certainly gearing toward a hitters' ballpark. But do you think we tried to design a ballpark that wouldn't be fair? Is the fact that [the 369-foot sign in the power alleys] is further to the right here than [the 371-foot sign] at the Vet an issue? Yes. Was it something we discussed and did intentionally? Absolutely not."
But how exactly did the Phillies and the ballpark's designers - Ewing Cole in Philadelphia and HOK Sport + Venue + Event in Kansas City, Mo. - come up with bandbox dimensions if they wanted the park to be fair? And what could the Phillies do to resolve the complaints about cheap home runs?
Ewing Cole, the lead firm on the Citizens Bank Park project, would not comment for this story. It referred all questions about the ballpark's dimensions to the Phillies, but said it would answer other questions about the ballpark - from architecture to design to construction. (It later declined to comment on a question about the ballpark's architecture.)
But HOK senior principal Joe Spear - HOK served as a design consultant to Ewing Cole - said everybody wanted a fair ballpark.
"Probably the hardest thing to do is to create a balance," Spear said. "It's easier to go toward one extreme or the other. If you want a hitters' park, you know what that is. If you want a pitchers' park, you know what that is. It's not an exact science."
But the problem with the Phillies' park, players and coaches contend, is that its dimensions in the power alleys are extreme. Power alleys generally are considered to be the area between outfielders.
"It plays like the Little League World Series," Boston Red Sox pitcher David Wells said.
Not every pitcher, however, finds taking the mound at Citizens Bank Park a cause for worry.
"With our offense, I love pitching in this ballpark," Phillies starter Cory Lidle said. "As a pitcher, how can you look at it any other way?"
And, as Lidle said, the Phillies get to hit there, too. Outfielders Pat Burrell (20) and Bobby Abreu (18) have combined for 38 home runs this season.
A team source said a Phillies player met an architect involved in the design of the project at a charity event and asked the architect how the ballpark's dimensions were conceived. The architect reportedly told him that the Phillies had been cautioned about the dimensions, but that the team was OK with them.
Montgomery denied he had been cautioned by an architect about the dimensions.
"That's absolutely not true," he said. "That couldn't be more incorrect. We set dimensions. We told everybody. We set them similar to Veterans Stadium. We went out and paid people to tell us what the wind would do. We tried very hard. Could it be true that in one spot we said, 'Leave it there. Leave [the wall] at eight feet'? Of course. The absolute truth is that we thought we were copying Veterans Stadium dimensions."
But the outfield fences at Citizens Bank Park aren't concave like the Vet's. The fences move from the left-field foul pole to center and from the right-field foul pole to center at 90-degree angles. That means the D in the Bud Light sign in left field is just 345 feet from home plate. The Majestic sign in right field is just 349 feet from home plate.
Players, pitchers and coaches contend that the Bud Light and Majestic signs are the park's power alleys - or at least close to them. The Phillies contend that the power alley in left is the 369-foot sign.
Even if the power alley in left is where the Phillies originally placed the 369-foot sign - it was actually 3581/2 feet from home plate - it would be the shortest power alley in the National League.
"All I can tell you is that we asked our architects, who had years of design expertise, to design a neutral/fair ballpark that favored neither hitters or pitchers," Montgomery said. "I will tell you that the fact that it's playing differently to me is the difference in the wind's effect in this facility, as opposed to the Vet."
Blowin' in the wind
The Phillies said prevailing southwest winds have had more of an effect on the way the ball carries than anticipated. Montgomery pointed out that more home runs have been hit in June than in any other month since the park opened, the month he said those winds are strongest.
In June 2004, the Bank allowed 3.27 homers per game. In June this season, it allowed 3.75. The next-highest month was April 2005, when the park allowed 2.88 homers per game.
"The Vet was sort of impenetrable," Spear said. "They wanted the building to be transparent from the street - and we were right there with them. That's essentially what we did. I think maybe what is happening is, particularly when it's windy, the ball carries."
Players don't buy it.
"Then ask them why does it carry to right and left, but it doesn't carry to center?" catcher Mike Lieberthal said. "How does a southwest wind work that way? I don't see too many balls going out to center, and it's not like it's 450 [feet] out there."
"I'll have to check on which way I'm going to pitch a guy the next time I have the wind out there, because that's a crock," closer Billy Wagner said. "When has the wind had any effect in our ballpark?
"If I'm throwing 100 m.p.h., and a guy just gets wood on it and hits it to right or left, it's gone. It doesn't matter what gale-force winds are blowing in. To say it's the wind, they haven't pitched. They can believe what they want."
Citizens Bank Park ranks third in baseball this season with 2.82 home runs per game, behind Great American Ball Park in Cincinnati (3.04) and Ameriquest Field in Texas (2.96). It ranked third last season at 2.81 behind U.S. Cellular (3.36), home of the White Sox, and Wrigley Field (2.82), home of the Cubs.
According to Baseball Info Solutions, Citizens Bank Park and U.S. Cellular Field have been the two easiest stadiums in which to hit home runs this season. Baseball Info Solutions is a Bethlehem, Pa.-based company that produces the Bill James Handbook, which is considered a must read for hard-core fans. Baseball Info Solutions also found that teams that play in homer-friendly parks are not necessarily always winning teams.
Remove both Junes from the equation and the Phillies' park has averaged 2.67 homers per game since its inception. That still would rank it fourth this season behind Great American, Ameriquest and Yankee Stadium (2.79).
According to the ballpark index rankings in the 2005 Bill James Handbook, it was 23 percent easier last season to hit a homer in Philadelphia than at other National League ballparks. Only Coors Field was higher, at 35 percent. And it was 9 percent easier to score runs; Citizens Bank Park ranked third last season behind Coors Field (35 percent) and Bank One Ballpark in Arizona (14 percent).
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QuoteWhat are the options?
Spear said the Phillies were concerned enough about the home-run numbers last season that they talked with Ewing Cole and HOK about them.
"Maybe you ought to play it again next year and then, you know, if it happens to play the same, then maybe that's the time to think about what the options are," Spear told the Phillies.
Options seem limited, other than to move the fences back. After a reporter asked to speak to a Ewing Cole architect about the ballpark's architecture - specifically, what it might take to move the fences back - the company called the next afternoon and said it could not answer questions about that because it's a hypothetical situation.
Maybe not.
"We're certainly open to looking at it," Montgomery said.
"It's something that could be done," Spear said.
Nobody would estimate how much it might take to move the fences back, but it is believed it could cost $10 million or less.
But then there is all that lost revenue.
If the Phillies removed just five rows in left field - some think 10 would be best - they would lose about 476 seats, which sell for $22 apiece. Over the course of an 81-game home schedule, the Phillies could lose $848,232 in ticket sales, and that doesn't include revenues from parking and concessions.
"They want to see it a balanced park, but they don't want to react too quickly," Spear said. "I think David and the Phillies really want to do the right thing. They're convinced that they know what the right thing is. I can't tell you, frankly, where we'll end up on this, because I don't think that we're convinced - nor they, nor Ewing Cole - about what the appropriate change might be.
"They believe they have a beautiful ballpark, and they don't want to make a snap decision and make the wrong choice. They're being very cautious and very careful about it, which they should be."
What the numbers say
Last season, the Phillies hit .266 with 133 home runs and 424 runs at home and .268 with 102 homers and 416 runs on the road. Phillies pitchers had a 4.31 ERA at home, 4.61 on the road.
This season, the Phillies (48-45) have hit .289 with 62 homers and 273 runs in 49 games at home, and .249 with 33 homers and 175 runs in 44 games on the road. They have a 5.16 ERA at home and allowed 76 homers. They have a 3.82 ERA on the road and allowed 42 homers.
"It's tough for me to say which trend is correct," Montgomery said. "The full season from a year ago, or half a season now."
"Yeah, the number of home runs is a bit of a surprise," Spear said. "So we're trying to ... make certain that we understand what the issue is before we go in with jackhammers and tear something out."
QuoteCHASEBALL!
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
THE PHILLIES needed leadership.
The Phillies needed grit.
They got it.
With all due respect to slugger Jim Thome, All-Star Bobby Abreu and homegrown glamour boy Pat Burrell, Chase Utley today owns the heart of Phillies fans.
He's Scott Rolen without the aloof attitude. Lenny Dykstra with introspection. Darren Daulton without the tan. Pete Rose with power.
Said front-office adviser John Vukovich, who played with or coached each of them: "This guy wants to be the leader of the club. I don't have any doubt that in less than 2 years he'll be the leader of this club."
Utley doesn't seem to be waiting.
When Thome went on the disabled list from May 1 to May 21, Utley put together a 17-for-60 stretch with five homers and eight RBI in 15 starts. When the Phillies came back from the All-Star break Thursday to face their nemesis, Florida, with the season and the team's composition on the line, Utley simply took over in big ways and small.
His perfectly slapped ground ball to second base drove in a run and broke a 4-4 tie in Thursday's win. He smacked a two-run triple and scored in the seventh Friday to make a comeback possible (it failed). He launched a three-run homer in the first inning Saturday, propelling the Phillies to another win. And his two hits drove in two more runs Sunday and helped give the Phillies just their second significant series win over Florida since the Marlins began a run of 28-12 against the Phils on July 4, 2003.
The Phillies scored 38 runs in four games against a team they had averaged 3.6 runs against this season. Utley drove in 10 and scored two more in raising his average to .314 with 12 homers and 50 RBI - remarkable production numbers for a player who platooned with Placido Polanco until Polanco was traded June 9. Yesterday, Utley was named the National League's Player of the Week.
"Chase Utley, he played great," said Abreu, who drove in two runs and got two hits in the most crucial series of the season.
Never was the Utley lovefest more apparent than this weekend. For Vukovich, the reason is simple, and it recalls the Dude.
"Lenny proved over a long period of time and Utley over a short period of time they both like to play late," Vukovich said. "The bottom of the eighth, it's 2-2, that's when Lenny shined. This kid likes to play late."
There's no question Utley has a flair for the dramatic.
Utley's first major league hit was a grand slam in April 2003. He beat the Expos with a bases-loaded, eighth-inning triple in September of that season, and soon thereafter took future Hall of Famer Greg Maddux deep in Atlanta - the same team he beat later that month with an RBI single. After starting 2004 in Triple A, he came up in May and homered in three straight games. After trips back down and up, he handed Braves star closer John Smoltz a blown save July 9 in a game that helped the Phillies hang on to first place in the National League East.
So he's clutch, and a leader, like Dykstra... but he doesn't have to be.
"I could imagine that. I could see what it would be like," Utley said. "Am I prepared to do that? Whatever it takes to win. I can be that guy or I can be nobody, as long as we're successful."
Unlike Dykstra, Utley is quiet, by nature, but alert and observant.
"I've lived with Chase," said Phillies reliever Geoff Geary, a minor league teammate. "He's the type of guy, he's on your side through thick and thin. He keeps to himself. I can't really answer why he does."
Utley, 26, lends little thought to the matter.
"I like it that way," he said. "I like to keep people guessing, I guess. There's a little mystery behind that. It keeps people on their toes."
So, draw what conclusions you will.
Utley likes a taste of it all, it seems, but he'd prefer a jungle beach in St. John to the glitz of Las Vegas; a cold beer over a warm, dry red; intense, if bitter, East Coast fans to the blasé West Coast atmosphere.
He likes PlayStation, sure, but if he has a passion outside of baseball, it's probably fishing: "Deep-sea, marlin. When you actually land it, when you fight it, it's a bitch."
No, not Florida Marlins, though the parallel is apt.
"It's not as easy as it looks," he continued. "It takes a while. It takes a lot of patience. You can't just pop the thing out from the bottom of the ocean. You have to work it. It's pretty exciting, dude. [Dude!] Who knows what's down there? You don't know exactly what you have. It's exciting just to be a part of that."
In his iPod, these days he'd opt for Coldplay over Nirvana, but there is no rhyme to his rhythms.
Until about 6 weeks ago, he came out to the batter's box to the Vengaboys' "We Like to Party" (you know, the Six Flags commercial music the weird old guy dances to). Why? Well, because he did it in college and it worked. Relentless teasing by teammates led him to change... to Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir," a song whose release predates his birth by 3 years.
So, boxers or briefs?
"I wear boxer briefs; there is such a thing, you know," he smirks at his unhip interviewer.
Blessed with the body of a male model - think Ashton Kutcher - Utley wears those boxer briefs under distressed, flared-leg jeans with retro-adidas sneakers, a striped shirt, tails out, collar wide, or maybe a T-shirt of significant saying or obscure logo, topped by the mesh-backed trucker's cap.
Or, if it's a travel day, he'll sport a suit of Savile Row cut complete with cuff links and narrow-toed shoes.
Said fashion-plate third baseman David Bell: "He helps me dress. And believe me, no matter what he's wearing, he's always aware."
So what if it's a calculated look, Utley said.
"In terms of dressing my age, I think that's important," Utley said. "You have to feel good about yourself, but that's as far as it goes... I'm not ready to dress like a 40-year-old yet. But I really don't care what anybody wears. Nor should they care what I wear."
But they do. And then there are the scars. The 2-inch gash under his right jawbone recalls the days when he was a kid in California, body-boarding at nearby Huntington Beach or rollerblading and playing roller hockey with other kids at his home in Long Beach. At 7, the handlebars on his bike twisted sideways and threw him; the grip was worn off the end of one of the handlebars, and a 30-stitch wound was opened.
The lip is a memento to the Phillies' misspent obsession in 2002, when they sought to make him a third baseman after he'd spent his life and calibrated his unimpressive arm to playing second. They asked him to change at Triple A - with no Double A experience, only 2 years removed from being an All-America at UCLA and a first-round pick. He never complained; he even played in the Arizona Fall League. The last day he ever played third he took a really bad hop off his face.
His family - sister Taylor, 19, mother Terrell, animal lover and counselor, and father Dave, a personal-injury lawyer, fortunately - happened to be in Tucson that Sunday. They went to the hospital, where the resident on duty said he'd stitch Chase right up, no big deal.
Dave said, "Hold on. You're just going to stitch him up, no big deal?"
"OK, well, there might be a scar."
"We don't need to have some gnarly scar on your face," Dave said to Chase, then asked the resident, "If there's a plastic surgeon around, he might be able to do it a little better, huh?"
It cost Utley 3 more hours of pain, but, he said, "It turned out pretty good. I actually still have a little scar tissue in there, but what are you going to do?"
You're going to generally keep a little scruff there, grow a soul patch to distract attention and otherwise ignore it.
Besides, the ladies seem to like it. Jen Leventhal, a fetching, 17-year-old senior-to-be at Central Bucks East, wore her "Utley" T-shirt to a recent game. She is a perfect representative of the cult of Chase:
"I love Chase Utley. I love the way he plays. I think he tries really hard. And he's sooooo cute!" she said.
Wait a minute. Burrell has movie-star looks, $60 million banked and a ton of home runs. Where's the love?
"Oh, Burrell's cute. But I don't think he plays as hard."
Oh?
"And Chase looks shy," Leventhal explained. "That's really attractive."
So that "man-of-mystery" image seems to work. Utley, who has a girlfriend, smirks again upon addressing his popularity with the fairer sex:
"I guess that's better than having them not like you."
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QuoteWhat's not to like?
"Fans have always related to people like that: Guys who wear it on their sleeves. The natural progression is to see him as a team leader," said general manager Ed Wade. "We've tried to create team leaders over time. We've found out we can't use that approach. It has to be ingrained in the individual. He has that type of demeanor."
It's the kind of charisma that sells - tickets, merchandise, a team image.
"Everything about Chase - his talent level, the way he plays the game, his personality, his looks, even his name, sort of bring attention in his direction," Wade said. "But he's still the guy who wants to get dirty. He's still the guy who wants to dive for balls up the middle even if it's going to be a base hit."
Sound familiar?
Sound lacking on a team with a franchise-record payroll for the third straight season - a team on track to miss the playoffs again?
"The biggest similarity between him and Dykstra is Dykstra always wanted to beat you into the ground," said Larry Andersen, a Phillies reliever when Dykstra, Daulton, Dave Hollins and John Kruk led the Phils to the 1993 World Series. "He wanted to embarrass you. That's a killer instinct. It's down and dirty."
It's all Utley, said Andersen, now the team's color commentator. A confidante of some players and an observer of them all, Andersen can't wait for this club to belong to the kid with "Smut" stitched on his glove (no back story there, sorry).
"I know people say that this team, at times, doesn't have the energy. He's a guy who can definitely step up and say, 'We need to do this. We're not doing this. We're not doing enough of that,' " Andersen said, "and, at the same time, leading by example. You have to walk the talk. And he does that."
Philadelphia fans can't wait to have again what was theirs in 1993: players with whom they could identify.
"I think that was one thing that people saw: a lot of guys in that role," Andersen said. "A Hollins. A Krukkie. A Dykstra. Daulton. They were out there, grinding it out. Chase Utley is that type of player. The people in that town, they take to that. They're grinders."
Not to be lost in this is that Utley is immensely talented. Yes, he's worked on his fielding and become solid or better at second base, but his offensive ceiling - a .300-plus hitter who might drive in 110 runs and hit 25 homers a year - is not what you'd consider ordinary. Those are numbers that make second baseman Hall of Fame candidates.
The real attraction stems from obvious talent and obvious effort, both earmarks of Dykstra.
"Utley has some of that in him. I think that's very important," manager Charlie Manuel said. "One guy like that is sometimes hard to find on a team. If you have two or three, that's what really changes you into a club. Pete Rose comes into my mind. Kirby Puckett was one of those guys. You talk about energy, and ability, and a guy who loves to play the game - I think fans really relate to that. That's what they look for."
Dykstra. Rose. Puckett. Heady company, but, perhaps, the kind of hero this city needs. Utley takes his popularity in stride.
"It's becoming more apparent to me, the more the fans are inclined to me," he said. "I'm a little surprised, but I really feel like they've taken a liking to me, which is great. You obviously want people to like you."
They will, if he continues to be the same guy.
"He's kind of a scrap-iron type of player, but he has a lot of ability with the bat," Manuel said. "He hustles. He plays the right way. That's what makes him popular here. I think he'd be popular anywhere.
"I think it'd be great if we had about three of them."
He's not the only one.
LOL...a few of the Phils were apparently at WWE Raw last night in Philly.
JRoll was there with Lofton and HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH and Ryan Howard and Utley were with them as well.
Abreu was also there for a while, left early. But the whole place chanted "Bobby! Bobby!"
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 19, 2005, 09:11:51 AM
Abreu was also there for a while, left early.
he was probably sitting really close to a wall :P
Abreu on 2nd, none out.
If Burrell can even make contact, get Abreu to 3rd with one out.
What does he do? Strike out. :boom
It's things like that that cost this team a chance at winning 90+ games.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 19, 2005, 09:43:52 PM
Abreu on 2nd, none out.
If Burrell can even make contact, get Abreu to 3rd with one out.
What does he do? Strike out. :boom
It's things like that that cost this team a chance at winning 90+ games.
Nice Thomas :boom
Watching this game on FoxSports 2 West - Dodgers network. I am very impressed with their crew. Charlie Steiner(formerly with Yankees and ESPN) and I believe it's Steve Lyons. No Vin Scully tonight. Steiner and Lyons are very good and are by no means homers - like the TBC crew :chair :chair
Quote from: Don Ho on July 19, 2005, 10:06:41 PM
homers - like the TBC crew :chair :chair
meant TBS. I'd never knock TBC? Trinity Broadcast Company?
Too many blown opportunities for the Sillies tonight.
Bases loaded in the 8th and they get nothing.
BTW: I'm stuck listening to Charlie Steiner on MLB.TV. He sucks. I hated him at ESPN as a boxing guy and he's ten times more annoying announcing baseball. Psycho Steve Lyons isn't bad, though.
WAGS! shtein!
>:(Wags >:(
How in the WORLD did that not go out of the park? :o
Burrell should have scored on that! He wasted time with the homer pose and skipped around second!
THAT ONE DID!!
WOOOHOOO RYAN HOWARD!!
HOWARD!!!
DUMP THOME!
PG:
Did the Nationals win tonight? Last I heard they were up in the 8th.
What's the score/inning, guys? We have a movie on.
Unbelievable. I went to get a drink of water, sat down, and just as I did, Howard smoked the walk-off homer.
And boy did he ever smoke that one!
:yay
2 pitches, 2 runs :-D
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on July 19, 2005, 10:31:37 PM
What's the score/inning, guys? We have a movie on.
Phils won bottom of the 10th on a Ryan Howard walk off 2 run HR (after Burrell hit an "almost out of the park" triple)
Damn!! Wish I had seen that...thanks!!
Don Ho, Nats beat the Rockies 4-0. Braves are leading the Giants 1-0 in the third.
Saw the game tonight on my Extra Innings. Lyons and Steiner were OK, but I was hoping for Vin Scully.
Howards' blast was incredible. It was one of those that even on TV you knew it was out when he hit it. That guy's got some raw power!
I thought it would be trouble bringing in Billy Wags for the 2nd inning of work. He almost got himself out of the inning unscathed, but not quite. Of course, he ends up with the win, which helps my fantasy team. :deion
My jaw dropped when Rollins turned that diving stop into a double play earlier in the game. Heck, even Steiner and Lyons gushed about that play. :yay
They also talked about Burrell's hustle on the triple, while showing the replay with Burrell watching his shot hit the wall. May be a good thing, though, as Burrell needed oxygen just getting to third base. An inside-the-parker may have killed him.
Good to get the win. :yay
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 19, 2005, 10:54:33 PM
Of course, he ends up with the win, which helps my fantasy team. :deion
Isn't his win a wash because he also blew the save?
Excellent.
Nice to see some emotion, fire and downright anger from them tonight.
Gotta keep it rollin tomorrow.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 19, 2005, 11:18:08 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 19, 2005, 10:54:33 PM
Of course, he ends up with the win, which helps my fantasy team. :deion
Isn't his win a wash because he also blew the save?
Good point! This is why I stick with fantasy football.
Wagner didn't blow a save. It was 3-3 when Myers and Penny were still in....
The fantasy league I'm in doesn't factor blown saves, so that doesn't count at all. >:D
It's a weekly head-to-head competition in that league, kind of like the CFFFL I'm about to get my sorry rear end seriously kicked in.
I'm much better at picking baseball teams (I am a novice in fantasy football), as my current first place standing in that league will attest. ;D
(Of course, in the CF league, I'm trailing MDS, who I don't believe even pays attention). :boom
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Pie!
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Here's how close Pat's triple was... :o :-X
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QuoteBest course may be no trade
By Jim Salisbury
Inquirer Columnist
Eleven days before the trade deadline, the Phillies, in spite of their flaws and inconsistencies, are very much in the hunt for a postseason berth. Fans are clamoring for general manager Ed Wade to make a deal that will get hearts racing.
No one, not even Wade, knows how these next 11 days will play out, but there's a chance that the Phillies' best chance of making the postseason might entail what would be an unpopular strategy in the public sector.
It pains us to admit this, because we like a little July action as much as the next guy, but the Phils might be best off staying largely with what they have.
Don't misunderstand. This is still a team that would benefit from another starting pitcher. But considering what the Phillies might have to give up to get one, not to mention some of the uninspiring talent that is available, they might be best served adding a starter who costs nothing.
Cole Hamels, anyone?
In a perfect world, he'd spend another month or so in the minor leagues. But there's nothing perfect about these Phillies, especially when sub-.500 pitchers such as Kip Wells are being mentioned as possible additions at the hefty cost of Ryan Howard.
Hamels, even with his limited experience, probably could give the Phils everything that Wells would. And he'd give them a lefty in the rotation. And he wouldn't cost anything.
"I'm not ruling any possibility out in regards to Cole," said Wade, who, like everyone else in the Phillies organization, is a big fan of the kid's stuff and his mental makeup.
After last night's dramatic, 5-4 victory over the Los Angeles Dodgers - Howard's two-run home run in the 10th was the difference - the Phillies remained in third place in the NL East, five games behind Washington, which also won. Entering the night, the Phillies were second in the wild-card chase, 41/2 games behind Atlanta, which played in San Francisco late last night.
When the standings look like this in the third week in July, people expect general managers to add pieces through trades.
The expectations for Wade are huge because he is in his eighth year presiding over a club that has enjoyed rising payrolls and rising talent levels but has never made the postseason during his tenure. If the Phillies don't make the postseason, ownership might not be able to ignore the calls for his head.
But Wade is in a tough spot because his two best trade chips - Howard and Billy Wagner - are crucial to the success of the very team on which his job may ride.
Wagner would be attractive to teams because he's a top closer with the innards to handle big-game pressure. His contract is also up at the end of this season, which would make him a nice fit for a team like Boston, which still has a long-term commitment to Keith Foulke.
But what would happen to the Phillies' postseason chances if they dealt Wagner? Ugueth Urbina is a closer by trade, but the whole idea of getting him was to give the Phils a two-inning hammer at the end of games. Letting Wagner go would weaken the Phillies, even if they got a decent starting pitcher for him.
That brings us to Howard. Once upon a time, he was prime trade bait, a big bat blocked by an even bigger bat in Jim Thome. Howard still would fetch a nice price, but how can the Phils even think of dealing him now, given Thome's struggles with his health and production?
Thome could be back in the Phillies' lineup early next month, with Howard staying on the roster as insurance and the big bat this bench needs.
It's no secret that the Phils would be open to dealing Thome and going with Howard full-time. But no one is going to take Thome until he proves he's healthy, regardless of how much salary the Phillies offer to pay. For the remainder of this season, it would behoove the Phils to hang on to Howard, gamble that Thome can be the Thome of old, and make a decision on who stays and who goes over the winter. If Thome can give the Phillies two good months, he could help them get to the postseason, and he could convince a team to trade for him in the off-season, a move that would allow the Phils to get younger.
The task of improving these Phillies for the stretch drive is further complicated by finances and a weak farm system. The Phils already are over budget with a $95 million payroll. Adding a piece might require moving some salary. But if that piece requires moving Hamels or Gavin Floyd or Michael Bourn, it probably won't happen, because the system already has suffered big losses the last few years.
There are no easy calls here. The Phillies are contenders and fans want them to be buyers at the trade deadline. That's understandable.
But we can't help but wonder for how long they'll remain contenders if they pay the prices other teams will seek.
It won't be a popular call, but Wade's best strategy over these next 11 days might be to keep a close eye on Cole Hamels and proceed cautiously on the trade front.
Contact staff writer Jim Salisbury at 215-854-4983 or jsalisbury@phillynews.com.
Thoughts?
Its a good synopsis of where this team is. I think Hamels is better than stinking kip wells. The phils should try to unload Ugeth Urbina asap to get some young prospects and Wags if the deal is worth it. Yes the Phils have an outside shot at the playoffs but they wont get anywhere in the playoffs so why not reup/retool for next year.
Wow...it looks like Burrell was out by a mile.....
Quote from: mikey418 on July 20, 2005, 07:57:29 AM
Wow...it looks like Burrell was out by a mile.....
No, the angle of the camera shows that the ball is there, but his glove wasn't actually that close to Burrell.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 19, 2005, 11:43:34 PM
Wagner didn't blow a save. It was 3-3 when Myers and Penny were still in....
That's right. No blown saves during a tie game.
Duh. :-D
I would go with Hamels over Kip Wells. Keep Howard and keep trying to move Thome. I still think Ed could get a decent offer for Wagner. I don't think Wagner will be the reason this team either makes or doesn't make the playoffs and I hope they move him.
the phils should go young now. and by doing that, you are not giving anything up as far as letting the season play out.
leave howard in the lineup for god's sake. if thome plays as an everyday guy again, i will personally shove a shovel up everyone on the phillies asses.
bring up cole hammels and let him pitch in the majors. he thinks he can do it? let him prove it. it is high time this group stops coddleing prospects until they become too soft to be effective (ala gavin floyd) i know he's only 21, but let's see what he can do.
i would also trade wagner at this point. he has lost something this season. not a lot, but enough to show that he is not as automatic as he once was. urbina is just fine as the philths closer.
i honestly do not think this team will make the postseason, as this last stretch fits into their M.O...that when the pressure is off (i.e. they lose alot in a short stretch) they pull a couple of series out. but when it's time to really play they fold. but they can make some moves to at least show some promise.
Wanna know something funny? I pay so little attention to baseball that until I saw the pictures in this thread I thought that Howard was white. Go Flyers!
Cole Hamels is not big league ready yet. He didn't have a good start last night control wise (5 walks).
He still needs seasoning. He'll be ready in September.
Made the mistake of putting on Gargano and his idiot sidekick just now. Just in time to hear them ripping Abreu and Burrell to shreds. ::)
Mike Miss is actually on the Phils side.
Gargano is still in his "the Phillies killed my dog" mode.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2005, 10:48:28 AM
Mike Miss is actually on the Phils side.
Gargano is still in his "the Phillies killed my dog" mode.
Dude, he just talked about how much he hates Abreu and Burrell.
Its nauseating.
QuoteBurrell, a lumbering baserunner, could have settled for a double. Maybe before closer Billy Wagner recently started barking about the team's often complacent play, he would have.
He didn't last night.
"That's what I'm talking about," said Wagner, who might have lost the game if not for the big hits. "Pat stretching that into a triple - that was huge. The home run was a plus."
QuoteIt was Wagner's opinion 3 weeks ago that, given their energy level at the time, the Phillies couldn't make the playoffs. And now?
"We've played scrappy. We've played with a lot of urgency," Wagner said. "This team's got a lot of character."
Poor Wags last night...I didn't realize how many pitches he threw. And it was BRUTAL outside yesterday. Maybe the worst suffocating humidity I've felt in years.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2005, 10:46:36 AM
Cole Hamels is not big league ready yet. He didn't have a good start last night control wise (5 walks).
what does it take to be ready?
is there a pitcher in baseball that hasnt walked 5 batters in a game? he's still 2-0 in reading and batters are hitting about .170 off of him.
i dont see how that much is going to change between now and september with him.
i say call him up. for no other reason, a left handed starter is needed.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 20, 2005, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2005, 10:46:36 AM
Cole Hamels is not big league ready yet. He didn't have a good start last night control wise (5 walks).
what does it take to be ready?
is there a pitcher in baseball that hasnt walked 5 batters in a game? he's still 2-0 in reading and batters are hitting about .170 off of him.
i dont see how that much is going to change between now and september with him.
i say call him up. for no other reason, a left handed starter is needed.
He needs a little more seasoning, IMO. If he completed Spring Training and made a few more starts at Clearwater/Reading then maybe I agree.
But he is coming back from a busted hand and started throwing late. He needs several more starts in my opinion.
Stop saying 'seasoning'! It's actually making my mouth water. Or maybe I'm just drooling because I'm so goddamned hungover.
I honestly don't know why you guys listen to that drivel on WIP.
:paranoid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2005, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 20, 2005, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2005, 10:46:36 AM
Cole Hamels is not big league ready yet. He didn't have a good start last night control wise (5 walks).
what does it take to be ready?
is there a pitcher in baseball that hasnt walked 5 batters in a game? he's still 2-0 in reading and batters are hitting about .170 off of him.
i dont see how that much is going to change between now and september with him.
i say call him up. for no other reason, a left handed starter is needed.
He needs a little more seasoning, IMO. If he completed Spring Training and made a few more starts at Clearwater/Reading then maybe I agree.
But he is coming back from a busted hand and started throwing late. He needs several more starts in my opinion.
even still...my question is what will this "seasoning" do? between now and september, he'll get what, 5 more starts? what will will the major revelation be over those 6 games (tops) that he would not get if he pitched those 5 or 6 starts for the phillies?
the phillies need a lefty. if not hamels, who will that left be?
you want to take your chances with Hamels? or some other pitcher from a suckass team that is just looking to dump their marginal players?
i'll take my chances with hamels
Quote from: Wingspan on July 20, 2005, 11:17:59 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2005, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 20, 2005, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2005, 10:46:36 AM
Cole Hamels is not big league ready yet. He didn't have a good start last night control wise (5 walks).
what does it take to be ready?
is there a pitcher in baseball that hasnt walked 5 batters in a game? he's still 2-0 in reading and batters are hitting about .170 off of him.
i dont see how that much is going to change between now and september with him.
i say call him up. for no other reason, a left handed starter is needed.
He needs a little more seasoning, IMO. If he completed Spring Training and made a few more starts at Clearwater/Reading then maybe I agree.
But he is coming back from a busted hand and started throwing late. He needs several more starts in my opinion.
even still...my question is what will this "seasoning" do? between now and september, he'll get what, 5 more starts? what will will the major revelation be over those 6 games (tops) that he would not get if he pitched those 5 or 6 starts for the phillies?
the phillies need a lefty. if not hamels, who will that left be?
you want to take your chances with Hamels? or some other pitcher from a suckass team that is just looking to dump their marginal players?
i'll take my chances with hamels
I don't think they
need a lefty. Boston went last year w/o a LH SP.
They need another starter period. Whether it be a LH or RH. And I think they need a veteran more or less than a 21 year old who's been fast-tracked after missing a lot of time.
My ideal situation for him would be a Seotember call up and then be in the rotation next year.
Anyone see that Kent home run called a foul? Gods are with us!
Quote from: Don Ho on July 20, 2005, 07:10:18 PM
Anyone see that Kent home run called a foul? Gods are with us!
Um, did you see the replay? It was clearly to the left of the foul pole. It didn't even hit it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 20, 2005, 07:13:51 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on July 20, 2005, 07:10:18 PM
Anyone see that Kent home run called a foul? Gods are with us!
Um, did you see the replay? It was clearly to the left of the foul pole. It didn't even hit it.
Do you have to rain on absolutely everyone's parade?
If she won't, I will:
It's currently 9-0 Dodgers.
:-D
Lidle got rocked in the 5th.
But I still believe!
one stinker thrown in with 8 good games? OK...no complaints.
Take 2 of 3, tis all I ask
Quote from: Don Ho on July 20, 2005, 09:04:35 PM
But I still believe!
That lie is so bad I can see right through it on a message board!
I still believe! Print those fargin playoff tickets already!!
P.S - Ryan Howard HAS to catch that line drive. LIke Ed said - who knows how that inning goes if he catches that.
Goddamn 9 runs in the inning. The DOdgers blew their wads tonight. LIeber throws a shutout today.
Quote from: MURP on July 20, 2005, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on July 20, 2005, 09:04:35 PM
But I still believe!
That lie is so bad I can see right through it on a message board!
They showed the replay on Fox Sports West this evening and my son turned it on in the other room and he had no idea it was a replay. He yells out "Oh my god dad, the Phillies are getting killed!" Little shtein. No Xbox tonight.
QuoteHamels hurting
Top lefthanded pitching prospect Cole Hamels will see the team physician, Dr. Michael Ciccotti, today. It is a precautionary visit after Hamels experienced back pain following his start for Double A Reading on Tuesday.
Hamels, the team's first-round pick in 2002, had his 2004 season interrupted by elbow problems, then broke his pitching hand in a bar fight in the offseason, delaying the start of this season. He began the season with Class A Clearwater, was outstanding and was promoted to Reading, where he is 2-0 with a 2.37 ERA in three starts. If he stays healthy and effective, Phillies brass says, he could reach Triple A next month, with an eye on a September call-up.
If he's healthy, that is.
"I hope it's no big deal," Wade said.
Hopefully it is just soreness from him throwing 110 pitches the other night. I think that is the first time he's gone over a hundred as a pro.
From Jayson Stark:
QuoteON URBINA:
It's only six weeks since the Phillies dealt Placido Polanco to Detroit to get Urbina. Now they're using him and Vicente Padilla as their most likely trading chips in their hunt for a veteran starting pitcher. Teams that have spoken with the Phillies say they've dangled that twosome in conversations about a number of starting pitchers (Gil Meche, Kyle Lohse, Arroyo, Jake Westbrook). But so far, clubs knocking on the Phillies' door are mostly interested in first-base phenom Ryan Howard and closer Billy Wagner -- two guys they'll deal only for a major impact player (assuming one is even out there). It isn't impossible the Phillies could just pass and call up their top pitching prospect -- Cole Hamels, whose career ERA after 28 minor-league starts is down to a ridiculous 1.54.
ON WAGNER:
Teams keep calling on Wagner, even as the Phillies keep creeping closer to the wild-card lead. And the Phillies keep saying no to just about everything. But two clubs report the Phillies have told both the Red Sox and White Sox that if they can pull off a trade for Burnett, a three-way deal that would spin Wagner for Burnett is not out of the question. But other than that, one team that spoke with the Phillies says the only way they would move Wagner is for "something extreme." And in this market, it's almost impossible to envision any other package that would meet that definition.
With Hamels a question mark now (hurting), Lidle struggling, Lieber still not entirely out of his funk and Gavin Floyd not ready to come up, trading away Padilla now would be dumb. He has thrown 13 scoreless innings and really looks like he is turning it around.
As I've said before, they need another starter. If they trade Padilla in a package deal then they're back to square one of needing another starter.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 21, 2005, 06:43:50 AM
As I've said before, they need another starter. If they trade Padilla in a package deal then they're back to square one of needing another starter.
Whatever was bothering Padilla, he seems to have gotten rid of it. Well, I hope, anyway.
So did anyone see me on tv at the game. I was sitting behind the Dodgers dugout (3rd row). Some girl next to me got on her cell and started waving. So I did the "my hand as a phone" trick and let out a bionic-esque smile...
I got to the game late but just 1.5 innings before that dreadful 5th....
Quote from: mikey418 on July 21, 2005, 08:13:01 AM
Some girl next to me got on her cell and started waving.
You should have taken her phone and stomped on it. I hate people like her.
If it was after the 5th inning, I missed you. Because that inning put me to sleep.
And you should've punched her in the ear hard as you could after you smashed her phone like PG suggested.
Corey Lidle has left the team for 4 days due to "personal reasons" (aka...shellshock Tim Worrell syndrome)
what is it with phillies pitchers and getting mentally farged up?
lydle, worrell, vicente (whenever 2 men are on base), myers last season?
More proof that baseball players are weak.
remember that guy who hacked some computers and sent like 10,000 angry emails to the Phillies? just go 4 years in the slammer.
Quote from: MURP on July 21, 2005, 01:47:52 PM
remember that guy who hacked some computers and sent like 10,000 angry emails to the Phillies? just go 4 years in the slammer.
thats probably less suffering to endure than watching the phils
A possible 3-way deal which would send Wagner away for Burnett is interesting.
But is Burnett more of a groundball or flyball pitcher?
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 21, 2005, 01:55:52 PM
A possible 3-way deal which would send Wagner away for Burnett is interesting.
But is Burnett more of a groundball or flyball pitcher?
A deal involving Burnett for Wagner in whatever fashion would work for me.
No way the Marlins allow that, though.
no-hit through 5. sigh....
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 21, 2005, 01:55:52 PM
But is Burnett more of a groundball or flyball pitcher?
Strikeout pitcher.
Amazing that it's nearing August and every team in the NL East is still above .500.
1-0
Wasted a great start by Lieber.
1 to goddamn 0
These guys looked like shtein the last two games. Pure goddamn shtein.
Meanwhile, the Mets swept the Padres, so the Pads will be pissed off coming into town.... :poison
THE F'ING DODGERS.. GOD DAMNIT, PHILLIES :boom
Way to build on the momentum of the Marlins series and the Howard w/o HR.
Gutless fargs.
why get worked up...this is what they do.
no pressure=the look like world beaters
any pressure whatsoever= they just flat out suck
My sig says it all.
I vomit a little when I read about the Phillies.
Is it a "vurp" where you choke down the vomit or is it a full blown pukage?
We need details!
They're more interesting that the Phils...
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Yummy! :-D
Quote from: MURP on July 21, 2005, 04:53:50 PM
I vomit a little when I read about the Phillies.
I vomit a lot when I watch the Phillies.
[nelson laugh] HA HA [/nelson laugh]
What a day, what a beautiful day.
BREAKING NEWS
Tim Worrell traded to Arizona for 2B Matt Kata :o
Kata's stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7159)
From Stats, Inc.:
Quote
Scouting Report
2004 Season
The signing of Roberto Alomar in January relegated Matt Kata to the bench. Alomar suffered a broken hand on April 20, making Kata the team's regular second baseman. Kata's season ended on May 29, however, when he made a diving stop of a grounder and suffered a torn left labrum.
Hitting, Baserunning & Defense
Kata has somewhat of a gliding swing, making it hard for him to adjust to offspeed pitches. He does have some power. Kata has above-average speed and is an intelligent baserunner. He is a very good second baseman, with above-average range. Kata has experience playing shortstop and third base, although his arm is not really suited to much action on the left side of the diamond.
2005 Outlook
Kata's shoulder should be fine by spring training. He will compete for the second-base job against Scott Hairston and, if the team signs a free-agent shortstop, Alex Cintron. Hairston's bat should be in the lineup, but his defensive struggles may leave Kata and Cintron to battle for second-base duties. If he is not a starter, Kata should be a capable infield backup.
Unfortunately, Kata was up and down this year, with a total seasonal average of .194. At the time of the trade, Kata was in AAA.
Lofton tells Randy Miller to STFU, then Marzano says the Phillies are unlikeable (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/072105-lofton.wmv)
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 21, 2005, 10:26:35 PM
Lofton tells Randy Miller to STFU, then Marzano says the Phillies are unlikeable (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/072105-lofton.wmv)
He actually said what the farg you talkin to me for.
Dawg.
Quote from: Dillen37 on July 21, 2005, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 21, 2005, 10:26:35 PM
Lofton tells Randy Miller to STFU, then Marzano says the Phillies are unlikeable (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/072105-lofton.wmv)
He actually said what the farg you talkin to me for.
Dawg.
Love it!
Dawg.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 21, 2005, 10:14:56 PM
BREAKING NEWS
Tim Worrell traded to Arizona for 2B Matt Kata :o
Another nice move. Great trade a pitcher for a infielder, plus pay off rest of his contract. SMOOTH. I found this website. Not sure if you guys know about it.
http://www.fireedwade.com/index2.html
But Kata is a young white scrappy infielder! Chris Wheeler rubbed one out tonight in anticipation.... :crazy
Well, I had read that Worrell was being looked at by Arizona. And considering the way he has pitched, this is about as good as we can expect especially since Worrell is a FA after the season. Get a little something for him now.
And hopefully he strengthens the bench. Something a little different and possibly better than seeing Tomas Perez PH every goddamn night. I like Tomas, but geez.
Send Sandoval down and let Kata stay up. He can play some 3rd.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 22, 2005, 01:23:33 AM
Send Sandoval down and let Kata stay up. He can play some 3rd.
Sandoval was sent down yesterday.
Great, one less headcase on the team.
Lofton has ALWAYS been an icehole to media people.
Whining about the media is what players on underachieving ballclubs do.
Wagner was right about that bunch. As a whole, they're a collection of losers with immense talent.
What they could use is a couple of squared-away veterans who've actually won the World Series and know exactly what it takes to get there.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 22, 2005, 07:52:34 AM
Whining about the media is what players on underachieving ballclubs do.
Wagner was right about that bunch. As a whole, they're a collection of losers with immense talent.
What they could use is a couple of squared-away veterans who've actually won the World Series and know exactly what it takes to get there.
Come on now, if you listened to WIP and the callers/hosts, you'd KNOW the problem. Bobby Abreu. He's what makes this team so bad. Its all his fault.
Stupid man you are. ;)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 22, 2005, 07:54:34 AM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 22, 2005, 07:52:34 AM
Whining about the media is what players on underachieving ballclubs do.
Wagner was right about that bunch. As a whole, they're a collection of losers with immense talent.
What they could use is a couple of squared-away veterans who've actually won the World Series and know exactly what it takes to get there.
Come on now, if you listened to WIP and the callers/hosts, you'd KNOW the problem. Bobby Abreu. He's what makes this team so bad. Its all his fault.
Stupid man you are. ;)
I heard someone talking to the "cuz" yesterday on WIP....
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 22, 2005, 07:54:34 AM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 22, 2005, 07:52:34 AM
Whining about the media is what players on underachieving ballclubs do.
Wagner was right about that bunch. As a whole, they're a collection of losers with immense talent.
What they could use is a couple of squared-away veterans who've actually won the World Series and know exactly what it takes to get there.
Come on now, if you listened to WIP and the callers/hosts, you'd KNOW the problem. Bobby Abreu. He's what makes this team so bad. Its all his fault.
Stupid man you are. ;)
I'd sooner listen to Jessica Simpson recite Shakespeare than listen to WIP.
As for Abreu, anyone who criticizes his talent is a dumbass. He's immensely talented. Is he a winner? Well, on another team he might be. As this this team is currently constructed? I doubt it.
Quote from: mikey418 on July 22, 2005, 08:03:33 AM
I heard someone talking to the "cuz" yesterday on WIP....
What's your point. I will listen to Gargano because he's most of the time, tolerable. I happened to be in the car and hear the topic, so I called in.
I won't listen in the morning, I won't listen from 3-7 and 90% of the time, I am not listening between 10-3. I will listen when Reuben is on at 7pm.
Does that mean I'm calling in and talking about how Abreu is the reason teh Phillies suck?
By the way, Randy Miller was wrong to go after Lofton like he did. Lofton chuckled while Miller was talking to Rollins and Miller went after him for laughing. If I was Lofton I would've done the exact same thing. Miller can be a fleshpop sometimes too.
My boy Crazy Vicente is dealin' tonight. 96 with movement. :yay
Only highlight of this weekend is that it is "Nickelodeon" night at the park Saturday. Maybe Phils can get Patrick or Squidward to pitch. Also heard Jimmy Neutron can hit a curveball.
Bottom of the 10th, bases loaded, no outs and come away with zippo.
farg this, I'm going surfing.
UTLEY!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Quote from: Don Ho on July 22, 2005, 10:28:10 PM
Bottom of the 10th, bases loaded, no outs and come away with zippo.
farg this, I'm going surfing.
It's what they do and I'll be damned if they aren't the best team in the league at it either.
Everybody else in the division lost tonight. Must....not....get....hopes...up.... :paranoid
Hey, time for more of Charlie's deep thoughts! (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/072205-manuelwin.wmv) ;D
I missed Utley's homer tonight because I was driving to work. But I got to hear Scott Graham call it and I forgot how FAKE he sounds when calling a game. Jesus, he's annoying.
Anyways, it was excellent to see David Bell ground into a goddamn DP in the 10th. Good job by him, the farg.
Vicente threw well again. The 3 he gave up were via the long ball. One of the HRs was a CBP special and the other would've been outta here in any MLB park.
Cormier? Brutal...again.
Madson? Not much better.
Robinson Tejeda pitches today against Pedro Astacio. The Phils whipped up on Asatcio earlier in the year when he was a Ranger, so they better stick it to him again today.
Watch Tejeda -- he cut his finger opening a can of nectar the other day and it affected him when he was throwing his fastball the other night. Hopefully he'll be able to grip it right today.
Has anyone here ever eaten a can of nectar? ???
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 23, 2005, 10:26:01 AM
Has anyone here ever eaten a can of nectar? ???
Just the can...the nectar was too sweet
Nice Job Phils! :yay Is it too much to request a sweep of the Padres?
I'm feeling better and better about Padilla.
which means Wade trades him by the deadline. ::)
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 23, 2005, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 23, 2005, 10:26:01 AM
Has anyone here ever eaten a can of nectar? ???
Just the can...the nectar was too sweet
But I bet she was hot ;D!
Thank god we have Utley.
Phils win 2-0 :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 23, 2005, 10:26:01 AM
Has anyone here ever eaten a can of nectar? ???
My neighbors in Texas drank that shtein like it was gold. They were Puerto Rican dudes and they said all spanish folks drank it. They bought it by the caseload. I tasted it once and it was very sweet.
Brett Myers on the mound today to go for the sweep. Drop the hammer on them, Brett. We need this sweep.
Tejeda looked good once again. And once again he played with fire (5 walks) and they didn't hurt him.
Everybody in the NL East won yesterday :P
QuoteWade looking for help on mound
By RANDY MILLER
phillyBurbs.com
PHILADELPHIA - With the Phillies still hanging around in the NL East and wild-card standings, all signs point to general manager Ed Wade looking to upgrade before Sunday's July 31 trade deadline.
That means All-Star closer Billy Wagner, the most coveted Phillie, probably isn't headed to the Boston Red Sox, Florida Marlins, Chicago White Sox or any of the other clubs rumored to be in hot pursuit.
The latest rumor, as reported by the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, has the Marlins acquiring Wagner, either from the Phillies or in a three-team deal that would include the Red Sox. In either trade, the report has the Phillies landing Marlins pitcher A.J. Burnett.
This proposed deal probably has no shot of happening because if the Phillies opt to dump Wagner and his big salary, they'd be looking ahead to 2006, and Burnett, like Wagner, can file for free agency this fall.
What will the Phillies do in the coming week?
Scouts say Wade's No. 1 priority is upgrading the starting rotation.
The Phillies have been monitoring available Pittsburgh right-hander Kip Wells for weeks, but Washington and Anaheim also are in the chase.
Other starting pitchers possibly headed to Philly include San Francisco's Brett Tomko and Kirk Rueter, Los Angeles' Odalis Perez and Jeff Weaver, and Colorado's Shawn Chacon.
The Phillies, league sources say, also would love to get rid of pitcher Vicente Padilla while he's hot. Padilla has followed a half-season's worth of lackluster efforts with three consecutive quality starts, two great outings and a decent third one.
Meantime, the New York Yankees, looking for a center fielder, have Phils' reserve Endy Chavez on their radar as a backup plan, the New York Post reported.
And what about injured first baseman Jim Thome?
Scouts still are saying the Phillies have no chance of dealing Thome due to his big contract, injury problems and no-trade clause.
Regardless, it's likely the Phillies will opt to hold on to hotshot rookie first baseman Ryan Howard, who has been productive while serving as a fill-in for Thome.
The Phils are expected to keep Howard for the rest of the season, then make a decision in the offseason on what to do about first base. Howard still has another minor-league option, so he could end up back in Triple-A again next year.
I didn't get past "rumors". lol
Myers pitches a nice game....gets a knocks in a couple with a double of his own. Howard 3-4 on the day. Nice sweep.
Phils won
Nationals lost
Braves losing
Mets won
Marlins winning
Could be only 3 games out of first... :o
I read on Phillies.com that Ed Wade has called in Johnny Podres to go up to Scranton to work with Floyd...
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 24, 2005, 05:26:18 PM
Phils won
Nationals lost
Braves losing
Mets won
Marlins winning
Could be only 3 games out of first... :o
Then get swept by the Astros.
Nice sweep this weekend.
It's a shame the Phillies don't play in the NL West. Anybody know the last time every team in a division was over .500 this late in the season?
QuoteThe Phillies have won 12 of their last 15 games against the Padres
:yay
I'd love to see Burnett in a Phillies uniform long term. I don't want to lose Wagner, but he's a goner after this season and will probably demand a fat deal. :deion
Braves lose. Phils only 3 games out :o :yay
:paranoid 3 out :crazy :paranoid
I(deep breath)believe ::)
I hope they aren't setting us up for yet another let down. I may jump off a bridge this time.
I'm a Phillies phan. :-\
Quote from: The Waco Kid on July 25, 2005, 04:58:14 AM
I hope they aren't setting us up for yet another let down. I may jump off a bridge this time.
:-D
the monster stretch of home games is over...time for them to buckle under pressure
Time to buckle down and win the Houston series. Big time series and it would be nice to see this team display some testicular fortitude and win a series in crunch time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2005, 09:40:02 AM
Big time series and it would be nice to see this team display some testicular fortitude and win a series in crunch time.
It would be nice to win the lottery too...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2005, 09:40:02 AM
Time to buckle down and win the Houston series. Big time series and it would be nice to see this team display some testicular fortitude and win a series in crunch time.
Everyone, hold your breath!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on July 25, 2005, 04:58:14 AM
I hope they aren't setting us up for yet another let down. I may jump off a bridge this time.
Lifejackets may be on sale. Good investment.
Pettitte, Oswalt, Clemens :-D :'(
I believe the Phils are going to choke again.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on July 25, 2005, 12:05:01 PM
I believe the Phils are going to choke again.
Thats just wrong man, wrong :spank
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2005, 09:40:02 AM
Time to buckle down and win the Houston series. Big time series and it would be nice to see this team display some testicular fortitude and win a series in crunch time.
Testicular fortitude? :-D
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 25, 2005, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2005, 09:40:02 AM
Time to buckle down and win the Houston series. Big time series and it would be nice to see this team display some testicular fortitude and win a series in crunch time.
Testicular fortitude? :-D
Ah yes, the popular phrase coined by one Mick Foley.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 25, 2005, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2005, 09:40:02 AM
Time to buckle down and win the Houston series. Big time series and it would be nice to see this team display some testicular fortitude and win a series in crunch time.
Testicular fortitude? :-D
Someone needs to brush up on their 'rasslin'.
Utley is getting the night off vs Pettitte. TradeFiller Martinez will play instead... :boom
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 25, 2005, 06:09:55 PM
Utley is getting the night off vs Pettitte. TradeFiller Martinez will play instead... :boom
>:( Bastiches!
Better than Blomas Perez....I think :P
DAMN THAT VARSHO! FIRE THAT BUM! HE SHOULD BE STONED!
Rollins
Michaels
Abreu
Burrell
Bell
Howard
Lieby
Martinez
Lidle
How Bell is batting above Howard, I do not know. I couldn't care less who is pitching, Howard hits above Bell.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on July 25, 2005, 01:58:59 PM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 25, 2005, 12:19:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 25, 2005, 09:40:02 AM
Time to buckle down and win the Houston series. Big time series and it would be nice to see this team display some testicular fortitude and win a series in crunch time.
Testicular fortitude? :-D
Someone needs to brush up on their 'rasslin'.
That's a pro wrestling phrase? No wonder I had no idea wtf it was. :-D
5-1. Yay.
7-1. double yay.
Way to step up and win a big game tonight, pigfargers. >:(
They had guys on base but couldn't drive them in -- where have we seen that before? Oh yeah, frm this same team every freaking year.
They'll win the next 2. :)
According to Action News (which does no investigative sports reporting on their own and simply relays what others have said), the Phils are looking to acquire Jake Westbrook for Padilla and "Ugie Urbino" :-D
Keep up the faith, I can smell 85 wins.
Quote from: MDS on July 26, 2005, 12:10:33 AM
Keep up the faith, I can smell 85 wins.
You're not smelling 85 wins. That's just the Burritos I had for dinner last night.
Sorry. :P
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 26, 2005, 07:32:50 AM
Quote from: MDS on July 26, 2005, 12:10:33 AM
Keep up the faith, I can smell 85 wins.
You're not smelling 85 wins. That's just the Burritos I had for dinner last night.
Sorry. :P
Or hbionic.
Cole Hamels' girlfriend:
(http://us.ent4.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/cbs/survivor__amazon_photos/heidi.jpg)
:o
She's ok..
Cory Lidle sucks, btw.
She'll dump him once she understands he's a walking DL stint and will never reach the majors.
Someone please drill Biggio in the head :boom
Nice double Chase. :yay
I want Bell and Madson to die.
I'd trade Ensberg for Bell, only if you take off Ensberg's 700K contract.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 26, 2005, 10:17:01 PM
I want Bell and Madson to die.
C'mon BigEd, tell us how you really feel.
I was starting to sweat that one.
;D I'm happy with a win though.
Now lets hope Rocket can finish the sweep.
Ew, the Braves are back in first place. Not much ever changes in the NL East does it?
WTF is up with Madson the last 2 months? He's been BRUTAL?
maybe he found worrell's stash
Quote from: Wingspan on July 27, 2005, 08:18:30 AM
maybe he found worrell's stash
Someone needs to keep him away from Frenchie in the bullpen. The suck disease is apparently contagious.
Ryan Madson is trash right now. He's got a 6+ ERA in July and cannot throw his curveball.
And F Varsho for pulling Lieber with, what?, 79 pitches?
Oswalt pitched a CG why take out Lieber?
And F the farging losers on offense too. Nice triple by Abreu and then they leave him stranded on 3rd base WITH NO GODDAMN OUTS!
They suck balls on the road. Exact same thing happened after the 12-1 homestand...they go on the road and blow. Now they have a 9-4 'stand and go suck on the road.
someone just gave me free tickets to the cubs game next tuesday :puke
Did you see the buzzsaw lineup that took down the Mets 2 nights in a row? We could be looking at 0-7! ;)
2B Luis A. Gonzalez
3B Garrett Atkins
LF Matt Holliday
CF Eric Byrnes
1B Ryan Shealy
RF Dustan Mohr
C Danny Ardoin
SS ex-Phillie Andy Machado
Quote from: Wingspan on July 27, 2005, 10:39:44 AM
someone just gave me free tickets to the cubs game next tuesday :puke
i take that back to the half vomit. it's the company's box seats, not where you actually have to watch.
wooo-hooo! free booze and food.
Ricky Bo was DFA'ed by Milwaukee
*whimper* :-\
He's on a flight to Denver and will be added to the Phils roster tomorrow. :paranoid
Phils lead Rocket 1-0 on a RBI single by Bobby Abreu
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 27, 2005, 08:29:35 PM
He's on a flight to Denver and will be added to the Phils roster tomorrow. :paranoid
Phils lead Rocket 1-0 on a RBI single by Bobby Abreu
Impossible. Abreu's a choker who never produces in big games.
Lying bastich!
:boom
all aboard the suck train! :D
Quote from: SSgt PSN on July 25, 2005, 12:05:01 PM
I believe the Phils are going to choke again.
(http://www.peoplewhoknowstuff.net/forums/images/smilies/whistle.gif)
Just when you thought the Phils might be the 2nd suckiest team in the league... ::)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 27, 2005, 08:29:35 PM
He's on a flight to Denver and will be added to the Phils roster tomorrow. :paranoid
Phils lead Rocket 1-0 on a RBI single by Bobby Abreu
Astros big 3 are unhittable.
Thome had a setback in Clearwater. yay
I don't believe. I did, yesterday. Not today. Tomorrow? Maybe. Monday? Possibility. ???
They're zesty.
Aye.
(http://www.dustqueen.ca/images/broom_dust.gif)
that was fun. ;D
Now sweep the Mets, please...
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 28, 2005, 12:43:24 PM
Now sweep the Mets, please...
I'd love nothing more than to put Carlos Beltran out of playoff position.
I was watching the game on the Rockies broadcast (MLB Extra Innings STILL doesn't show Phils broadcasts :boom), and suddenly they show this on the TV:
(http://www.lindadouglass.org/hi-corbett/hc1-dinger-rockiesmascot.jpg)
A dinosaur- with pink sparkling-things- is their mascot? It's name is "dinger."
Anyway, my man Chase nearly single-handedly got the Phils a win tonight. 5 RBIs, 3-for-5 (though that liner in the 9th should have been caught, and I would have called it an error). :yay
Beat up on the weak club. Lose to the ones with a chance. Stupid Phillies.
Phillies are only 2.5 games out of the WC :paranoid :D
Atlanta is going to win the division. Our best bet is to win the WC. Focus on the WC and handle bidness, bitches.
Gotta worry about Houston and the Cubs though, IMO.
QuotePosted on Fri, Jul. 29, 2005
Abreu insists pressure isn't getting to him
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
DENVER - Maybe it's getting to Bobby Abreu.
Maybe the team leadership, all of those All-Star votes, the absence of lefty slugger Jim Thome - maybe Abreu, previously impervious (or indifferent) to pressure, is feeling it.
After all, Abreu is 13-for-70 from July 5, with no homers and five RBI. The most alarming stat: Entering last night, Abreu hadn't drawn a walk in four games. The only other stretch in which he went more than three games without was a seven-game run in April - when he was 13-for-33 with a homer and six RBI.
"I've never seen him swing at balls out of the strike zone so bad," hitting coach Milt Thompson said. "And at the same time, he's missing pitches he should hit."
Thompson said he talked with Abreu before batting practice. Abreu offered that their discussion centered on Abreu's pitch selection and his maddening inability lately to not jump at pitches.
"I've been swinging at some pitches I don't usually swing at. I've lost my strike zone for a while," Abreu said.
Why? Might it be the added responsibility while Thome struggles to return from tendinitis in his right elbow? Could it be hitting fourth in the order against righthanders since the All-Star break instead of third, where he has spent most of his career?
"I think he might be [pressing] a little bit," Thompson said. "And he's hitting fourth now. He might feel he has to do some things."
And that might be wearing on Abreu.
"He might be mentally tired," manager Charlie Manuel said.
"No, no," Abreu insisted. "I've got my mind set, whether I hit fourth or fifth."
As for leading National League outfielders in All-Star voting this season after squeaking in as the Last Man via online voting last season, plus his acknowledged team leadership over the past 12 months or so, Abreu shrugs.
"I don't think any of that is affecting my swing right now," he said. "All they do is push me to work harder."
Maybe so, but the work isn't working. For the first time, Manuel, unprompted, brought up the possibility that Abreu's All-Star appearance July 13 and his record-setting performance in the Home Run Derby the night before might contribute to Abreu's being tired. Manuel speculated that other Derby participants have struggled since, but only the Rangers' Mark Teixeira and the Pirates' Jason Bay have hit significantly worse, and none has approached Abreu's struggles.
For now, the Phillies must live with those struggles. Thome spoke with team officials yesterday from Clearwater, Fla., where he continues to rehab after landing on the 15-day disabled list July 1. Apparently, swinging the bat doesn't hurt, but throwing causes soreness. He said he might be back by the time the Phillies host the Brewers on Friday.
Until then, at least, Abreu will stay in the cleanup slot.
The Phillies hope that, before then, he will relocate his strike zone.
It occurs to me that Abreu, through no fault of his own, has simply picked the worst possible time to fall into a prolonged slump.
As for him not handling the "pressure," that's ridiculous. He carried the team on his back for long stretches this season and it's only July, for God's sake. Guys fold down the stretch in September, not in July, and for Hayes to suggest otherwise is further proof that he's a complete imbecile.
The beating this guy (Abreu) takes from the media/fans is just amazingly retarded.
When the ENTIRE team was slumping, he kept them afloat while batting well over .300. But I guess he can be blamed for not making them play better. Also, how dare he pick NOW to get into a slump, right? Its something I'm sure he said to himself, "Hmm, well, we're a few games out of a WC spot...lets start to play like shtein." ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 29, 2005, 08:26:19 AM
"Hmm, well, we're a few games out of a WC spot...lets start to play like shtein." ::)
you are finally understanding exactly how this team works :yay
Supposedly Eskin reported today that his "sources" have told him that the Phillies are working on a contract extension for ED WADE.
I didn't hear him say this, I read it on a Phils MB.
I hope this is one of the many, many times that Eskin is wrong. Because if he is right, I will cry myself to sleep and then go poison Dave Montgomery.
:puke
That's all I can say. Wait, one more thing...
:puke
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 29, 2005, 07:21:31 PM
Supposedly Eskin reported today that his "sources" have told him that the Phillies are working on a contract extension for ED WADE.
I didn't hear him say this, I read it on a Phils MB.
I hope this is one of the many, many times that Eskin is wrong. Because if he is right, I will cry myself to sleep and then go poison Dave Montgomery.
Which means he's being canned after the season.
Remember..."the Phillies are, in no WAY SHAPE OR FORM, getting Billy Wagner. Every one of my sources says that the rumor is completely false and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dope."
Wagner was already signed. LOL
Once again, I believe.
2 games out of a WC spot. Still 5 behind the Braves.
Just go on and give the Braves the NL East title. Those guys are unbelievable. As much as I hate them and hate ATL sportsfans, John Schuerholtz, Bobby Cox and Leo Mazzone are frickin magicians.
Our shot at the playoffs is that WC spot. Houston is coming on strong. I hope that they're blowing their wads now too early and the Phils have another good stretch in them.
The Marlins won the Series in 1997 & 2003 as the WC team. I think the 2002 Giants were the WC team too.
I hope Cory Lidle gets his game back today...
Corey will give up 6 runs in 6 innings, and get the win.
Lidle is sick away from home. I'm calling a one run performance from him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 30, 2005, 09:03:36 AM
Corey will give up 6 runs in 6 innings, and get the win.
Pretty close: 5 IP, 5 ER, win.
I will make no more predictions, for I am New Green Monster, lord of the idiots. Good game by Howard though.
Well, I missed the game tonight but I see that they tried their hardest to give it up after going ahead 7-1. But as long as they win, I don't care.
About 14 hours until the trade deadline...What Will Wade Do?!?
I'm not holding my breath for any blockbusters, thats for sure.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 31, 2005, 02:11:03 AM
Well, I missed the game tonight but I see that they tried their hardest to give it up after going ahead 7-1. But as long as they win, I don't care.
About 14 hours until the trade deadline...What Will Wade Do?!?
I'm not holding my breath for any blockbusters, thats for sure.
My bold prediction: Ryan Howard for....
Buddy Groom. :paranoid :puke
It doesn't matter if the Phils are 1 game out of a wild card spot...they will do what they did a few weeks back. Win like 10 of 12 and lose 12 of 14. That's how their every season has gone since 1993.
However, Utley is a stud. Thank God for Chase Utley.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 31, 2005, 02:11:03 AM
Well, I missed the game tonight but I see that they tried their hardest to give it up after going ahead 7-1. But as long as they win, I don't care.
About 14 hours until the trade deadline...What Will Wade Do?!?
I'm not holding my breath for any blockbusters, thats for sure.
The only significant move the Phillies will make today is to announce a contract extension for one Edward Wade.
Soon after, I'm going to drink an entire bottle of Jim Beam and them bust the empty bottle over my head and go night-night.
ok Howard. ::)
From today's Inquirer:
Quote
Asked about his contract Friday at Coors Field, Wade said that it runs through 2007.
Wade received a two-year extension in July 2003, which carried him through the 2005 season. That contract included a series of option years that automatically roll over on a certain date. It's unclear when that date is, but in December 1999 he received a two-year extension that ran through 2002. That contract contained an option for 2003 that automatically kicked in Nov. 1.
Wade said there has been no further talk about an extension. But with a contract through 2007, that doesn't seem pressing. Still, there is an incredible amount of pressure on Wade to get his team to the postseason for the first time since 1993, and there has been plenty of speculation about what would happen to him if that did not come to pass.
So far it's just speculation.
Wow. You told me, I guess.
I'd rather put my nuts in a vise grip with Lorena Bobbitt turning the screws than have Ed Wade around here for one more year. And i love my nuts.
Of course, after the Phils get hosed on a blatant trap that was called an out (which led to a double play)....the Rockies start hitting the ball all over the place and go ahead.
And the trade deadline comes and goes...Nada. Nothing materalizes but the Braves pick up Farnsworth and the Marlins pick up Vallone to bolster their bullpens. Farsworth was a great pickup for the Braves. He's been lights out for the most part this season.
Thanks Ed Wade! The Marlins give up two crappy prospects to pick up Vallone for a couple of crappy prospects as well.
Wonderful...
Another season down the tubes. Yah Phillies!! :boo :boo
I am glad they didn't trade anyone. I didn't want Wade to do anything....I can't believe anyone would WANT him to make a deal. Do you actually TRUST this guy to make any trades? ::)
I'd take my chances with Wade pulling some sort of deal instead of standing pat and doing nothing when his team is in contention.
The Phils have all their core players locked up for years to come. The middle of the lineup is going to be there and Rollins is their shortstop for years to come. Everyone else is expendable. They have players to bargain with but refuse to make deals.
Neyer believes that Wade's inability to make deals and make great personnel moves is going to be his demise if the Phils don't make the playoffs this year. Luckily the Mets knocked off the Astros today and cooled them down a bit. We still have a chance at this thing but Lieber giving up 9 runs in the fifth against one of the worst lineups in the league is not too encouraging. They could have used another solid pitcher that they could count on to give them quality innings down the stretch (I'm not sold on Tejeda), and they didn't do so.
Hopefully they can pick up someone in August, but I can't imagine a ton of talent out there.
No farging way did I want Wade to do anything. I'll wait out this year, since our core is already signed, and when they miss the playoffs again, he'll HAVE TO BE FIRED and whomever they bring in can start making moves I might trust a whole hell of a lot more than Wade's shtein.
i have this feeling wade wont be fired.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 31, 2005, 07:39:22 PM
No farging way did I want Wade to do anything. I'll wait out this year, since our core is already signed, and when they miss the playoffs again, he'll HAVE TO BE FIRED and whomever they bring in can start making moves I might trust a whole hell of a lot more than Wade's shtein.
I agree. Hang 'em high!
(http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/hanging.gif)
Quote from: Wingspan on July 31, 2005, 07:47:53 PM
i have this feeling wade wont be fired.
They won't have a choice.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 31, 2005, 07:53:59 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 31, 2005, 07:47:53 PM
i have this feeling wade wont be fired.
They won't have a choice.
Yes they will. We've been calling on the deaf ears of Monty & the Mysterions to do something about that walking clusterfarg for years, yet nothing has been done.
Nothing whatsoever.
If the Phillies end up with a winning record, subtle changes will be made again and we'll be given the same bullshtein sammich we've been force-fed since 2001. I mean, considering the enormous outlay of payroll they have tied up in this bunch, how can we truly expect any big changes?
Honestly, I doubt they even tried to make a serious deal in the past two weeks. They probably floated a few names in the press to keep the wolves at bay as Wade sat at his computer analyzing printouts of the stats of mediocre middle relievers who might come free after the deadline passes.
The whole thing makes me ill and since the Eagles have opened camp, I honestly don't give a farg what they do from here out. Fire him, keep him... makes no difference to me.
When the Super Bowl is over in February, let me know and maybe I'll start caring about the Phillies again. Until then, like I said, I really don't give a shtein.
Still only 2.5 out of the wildcard, but could be 7 out of the division this time tomorrow...
Quote from: The Waco Kid on July 31, 2005, 05:47:35 PM
Another season down the tubes. Yah Phillies!! :boo :boo
For the record, i was speaking of the team and their crappy season...not Ed Wade...althought i want his head on a platter.
Ron Villone is exactly the type of guy you'd expect Wade to give up some prospects for. I'm glad he didn't do something like that for a change.
I'm not even pissed that the Phils didn't make any trades. There was nothing out there to me made. It's not like the Phils were the only team to not make a deal while other teams were burning up the transactions. No one did anything big because of several reasons: the first is that there are too many teams out there who think they're in it and the other reason is because this was a sellers market all the way.
I didn't want Ryan Howard or other young guys traded for slop like Kip Wells or Jamie Moyer. The only way I'd want to see a deal done is if it involved a guy like Jason Schmidt who was not available.
And the Phils fans screaming bloody murder for Manny Ramirez are nutzo. Wasn't a shot in hell that was happening.
And i didn't want Wade selling off guys either. He'd farg that up too. People will say Wags should've been dealt. Yeah, maybe they're right. But Wade's track record will not allow me to think he would've gotten anything worthwhile for Billy Wags. The Ghosts Of Phillies Past tell me that he would've gotten hosed in that deal.
And it is no foregone conclusion that Wade will be fired. Like I've said before...David Montgomery is in love with Wade. David Montgomery is loyal to a fault with people in this organization. Wade is his boy and he is a puppet. Monty barks and Wade does what he says.
Coud he be fired if they don't make the playoffs? You betcha. Is it likely? I doubt it, sadly. Why? Because Ed Wade does exactly what Monty wants. Why would Monty fire him? As long as people are going to CBP and stuffing money in Monty and his fellow owners pockets, Wade is no lock to be fired.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2005, 06:23:42 AMAnd i didn't want Wade selling off guys either. He'd farg that up too. People will say Wags should've been dealt. Yeah, maybe they're right. But Wade's track record will not allow me to think he would've gotten anything worthwhile for Billy Wags. The Ghosts Of Phillies Past tell me that he would've gotten hosed in that deal.
this is the only part i have a small disagreement with.
i think they should have dealt wagner. there's no way he's a phillie next season, and they have a servicable closer in urbina. i think getting a little bit of promise back for him (maybe another utility guy
and a A or AA prospect would have been better than the "boat load of nothing" they will get following the season.
thats the only "trade for trade's sake" i would have done. otherwise, no one else was really traded that made me say "damnit, the phils should get him"....
i still don't beleive wade will be fired, or else there would have been a deal or to, for no other reason that it would be a last ditch effort to save his job.
wade will be the GM next season. not making any moves says to me i can count on it at this point.
Salisbury (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/baseball/12272365.htm)
QuoteThe Phils, according to sources, offered Vicente Padilla, Kenny Lofton and Urbina for Burnett and centerfielder Juan Pierre. The Marlins weren't interested in seeing Burnett end up with an NL East rival, though. That didn't stop the Phils from trying to make a three-way deal for Burnett over the last 48 hours, but by then the Marlins had decided to keep Burnett because they were winning, he was pitching well, and their clubhouse would have turned mutinous had they dealt him.
:P
interesting.
I really like that deal. I can't imagine that Wade ever thought it had a chance in hell of going through.
Quote from: NGM on August 01, 2005, 12:49:08 PM
I really like that deal. I can't imagine that Wade ever thought it had a chance in hell of going through.
Exactly why it was offered. :-D
Yeah that trade was Phils all the way. I couldn't imagine Florida pulling the string on that deal. My God.
I don't think neccessarily Wagner is gone after this year. I love Thome but I want to dumb is contract. He's a great guy but he's not worth 13.5 million anymore. The big trouble this offseason is going to be dumping his contract on someone and freeing up some payroll. If Thome is gone then I think they keep Wagner, but it's going to be hard selling Jim in the offseason.
Braves lost today. The comeback is on! >:D
That same pitcher from the Pirates that killed us (Duke) shut them out today. LOL The kid is 4-0...I guess it wasn't just the Phils.
i saw bobby abreu in the king of prussia mall about an hour ago. he was wearing a wife-beater tank. :-o
Big Series with the Cubs kiddies. Will the Phils make a push or start their annual fall back out of contention.
The Phillies season still going on? I must've forgotten since they didn't acquire anyone and got embarassed in Colorado on Sunday and the fact that the Eagles season is started.
Go Phils! :evil
Another thing I caught on WIP today from Gargano...he said that his sources in Chicago told him that Ed Wade asked for MARK BUEHRLE and JON GARLAND for Billy Wagner.
Wade is nuts.
Kenny Williams was offering their top catching prospect and Brandon McCarthy and Wade said no.
Thanks guys, now I gotta put up with the cubs jagoffs out here tomorrow :boom
maybe I should post this in the punch thread.
bases juiced, and we pray!!
mother fargers :boom
I haven't watched a Phillies game in a while, but when they have the bases loaded, it usually just means they are going to leave 3 on base.
Bell needs to go. Now. NOW! :boom
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2005, 11:45:07 PM
Bell needs to go. Now. NOW! :boom
Amen!
Bad enough he grounds into a DP with one out in a 0-0 game...but then he acts like a Hoyda trying to ground a ball allowing 2 runs to score. The SO with the bases juiced and 1 out was the topper. I hope he gets hit by a farging bus. First game I get to watch in almost a month and this is what I'm subjected to. farg you Bell.
The next time I see Tomas Perez up with the bases loaded and the game on the line, I'm going to flip the farg out.
So why didn't he use Jason Michaels there?
"I wanted a lefty vs the righty." :boom :boom
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 03, 2005, 08:56:51 AM
The next time I see Tomas Perez up with the bases loaded and the game on the line, I'm going to flip the farg out.
That just goes to show you what Manuel thinks of Lieberthal's ability right now.
Bell, Lieberthal and Rollins have RBIs so far. Must be a full moon tonight. What's next....the Flyers getting Forsberg and trading JR? :paranoid
3-3, bottom of the 9th. Time for a win
:o Man did the Cubs' catcher give the Phils a gift there!
Ahahaha! Burrell strikes out swinging with the bases loaded, Barrett (Cubs Catcher) drops the ball, and Rollins steals home to win the game.
:-D
Unreal. :yay
::)
BURRELL WITH THE GAME WINNING STRIKEOUT! :-D
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 03, 2005, 10:11:11 PM
Ahahaha! Burrell strikes out swinging with the bases loaded, Barrett (Cubs Catcher) drops the ball, and Rollins steals home to win the game.
:-D
Unreal. :yay
He got rid of the ball way too quick. He allowed Rollins the chance to head back to home, and Rollins beat the throw.
If he got Rollins to commit going back to 3rd base, the Cubs were out of the inning.
Elementary mistake.
(and I thought the 2-2 pitch to Burrell was a strike)
I agree. I saw him throw the ball to third and I knew it was ova. If I did that in high school and we lost the game, I'd be doing laps until the next day.
PS: The 2-2 was a hair low.
On a dropped 3rd strike, didn't it become a force at home?
Anyway, Barrett should have just stepped on the plate and chased Rollins back to 3rd.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 04, 2005, 12:15:36 AM
On a dropped 3rd strike, didn't it become a force at home?
Anyway, Barrett should have just stepped on the plate and chased Rollins back to 3rd.
No, since there was a guy on first and less than two outs, Burrell was automatically out. No need to tag or force him= he couldn't run to first base, and the runners weren't forced.
How many years left on Lieby's and Bell's contracts?
Buddy Bell's nephew (David's cousin) 1 of 14 Marines killed in Iraq yesterday (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2124041)
Thats rough :-\
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 04, 2005, 07:04:35 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 04, 2005, 12:15:36 AM
On a dropped 3rd strike, didn't it become a force at home?
Anyway, Barrett should have just stepped on the plate and chased Rollins back to 3rd.
No, since there was a guy on first and less than two outs, Burrell was automatically out. No need to tag or force him= he couldn't run to first base, and the runners weren't forced.
OK. Either way, Barrett choked.
Well really, Burrell choked just as hard, jsut so happens that no one will remember that because of the strange ending.
How did they end up scoring that play?
Passed ball, no stolen base
1 out. Bases Loaded. Burrell whiffs at the 3rd strike, but the catcher lets the ball past him. Rollins comes half way home and looks to be caught in a run-down, but Barrett throws to 3rd (and slightly off line) and Rollins runs home fairly easily. It was really a funny play.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 04, 2005, 10:00:22 AM
Passed ball, no stolen base
According to the yahoo boxscore, it was credited as a steal home and charged as a passed ball. ???
Philadelphia 4, Chi Cubs 3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250803122)
QuoteBot 9th: Philadelphia
- P. Burrell struck out swinging, J. Rollins stole home
QuotePB - M Barrett.
Checked boxscores from Fox and ESPN. They both say passed ball.
Stupid Yahoo.
Nice juke move by J Rol. They shoulda gave him a steal because he stole the game from Chicago.
I'd just like to add...
Good thing we didn't get that bum Zito. He's been awful in recent weeks.
If anyone cares, Phillies won today. Abreu hit his first HR since the HR derby...and it was a Grand Slam.
i LOVE hearing the Cubs lost.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 04, 2005, 04:18:35 PM
i LOVE hearing the Cubs lost.
Then you'll love hearing that Prior was toasted.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 04, 2005, 04:19:29 PM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on August 04, 2005, 04:18:35 PM
i LOVE hearing the Cubs lost.
Then you'll love hearing that Prior was toasted.
Prior toasted just adds to my happiness with that ball club.
- kerry wood (overrated as hell) is heading for a bullpen assignment
- nomar hasn't been a good hitter since his days in Boston and is coming off a nasty injury.
I watched the last 1.5 innings of the game. Looked okay. Now if only Houston could lose, we'd get somewhere.....
What a crazy start to the game:
QuoteJ Rollins singled to center.
J Michaels singled to right, J Rollins to third.
C Utley walked, J Michaels to second.
B Abreu homered to center, J Rollins, J Michaels and C Utley scored.
P Burrell walked.
R Howard struck out swinging.
D Bell struck out swinging.
T Pratt struck out swinging.
So, Prior gets the first 3 guys on base, gives up a salami, walks Burrell, then K's the side.
The Phillies lost the rest of the game 4-2. Ha.
2nd time in CBP history that an opposing team didn't hit a home run the entire series... :-\
I believe!, well, kind of.
Kevin Cooney, PhillyBurbs (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/243-08052005-523876.html)
QuoteIt's August in Philadelphia and that generally means two things:
-- A couple hundred thousand people will cut out of work, travel to God's Country, to watch the Eagles sweat all over each other.
-- The city will avoid the baseball team like Bobby Abreu with a right field wall.
But why has this happened? A pet theory here is that there is no real connection with the organization on a personal level.
The Eagles, Sixers and Flyers are all filled with millionaires like the Phils. But for some reason, you can feel like you relate on a personal level to the other three.
The Phillies organization comes across at times like guys who resemble the late Ted Knight's Judge Smails character in Caddyshack. People who find time to christen sloops at the yacht club while sipping fine wines.
Are there some mysterious world championships stored in a closet somewhere? Some people in this organization certainly act like they are the Yankees. They don't act like a team that's won one title in 123 years.
The ownership group - aka "The Invisibles" - is composed of people who seem totally tone deaf to the wants and needs of its fan base. Just the idea that a contract extension with Ed Wade was leaked out there last week gives you all the indication about how the group is considering what its fans have to say.
Ironically, if there were one squad that never fit this city, it is this group. The players are - as a group - not all that accessible or friendly. (It should be noted that there are a few good guys in that clubhouse. Just not enough.)
And except for Chase Utley, who gets dirty? The catcher? The third baseman? The outfielders? Uh, no. Remember, Philly fans love dirtballs. With the exception of Utley, this group doesn't have any.
You can't slap street signs and a big neon bell around the park and try to sell yourself as Philadelphia. (Heck, you can't even see the skyline because of that goofy white sign in the parking lot.)
Fans here know a phony when they see it. And every August, they turn it off to watch the Eagles hit one another in 100-degree heat.
Randarino (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-08052005-523884.html)
QuoteA team source said the Phillies offered a two-year, $16-million deal with a club option last week while Wagner countered with a three-year, $24-million proposal that includes a no-trade clause.
"I don't want to get into what's on the table, but I expect the Phillies and my agent [Bean Stringfellow] to work out a deal," said Wagner...
.
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Wade asked Wagner to take a "hometown discount" while the team visited Houston last week and the pitcher agreed ... to a point.
By Wagner's views, accepting a extension for three years and $24 million would be a discount. Not only would he be accepting a $1 million per season cut from his current three-year, $27-million deal, but it's believed his market value on the open market would be significantly higher, probably in the $10-million per season range.
"I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot and take a whole lot less, but I'll give them a discount as long as it's done by September," Wagner said. "I think they'd be stupid not to realize that what I want isn't overpaying for what they say I am, a premier closer."
The no-trade clause is a must for any deal, Wagner said.
"I don't want to keep hearing my name in trade rumors every year," he said.
.
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It's believed the Phillies' initial proposal was for $6.5 million in 2006, $7.5 million in 2007 and either a $8 million club option or $2 million buyout in 2008.
Wow, I never in a million years thought they were going to sign him to a new deal. I actually LIKE this. :o
Sign Wagner, Wade. Quit fiddling with you balls and sign the man to a contract. Give him a FNTC and get the deal done.
I still get a good laugh at Billy's agents name - Bean Stringfellow? :-D
I think you can probably add Wagner to the one-man list of 'dirtballs' on the phils that fans want to relate to.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2005, 10:53:42 AM
I think you can probably add Wagner to the one-man list of 'dirtballs' on the phils that fans want to relate to.
Nah, Todd Pratt goes on that list.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2005, 10:46:12 AM
Wow, I never in a million years thought they were going to sign him to a new deal. I actually LIKE this. :o
not me...not 3 years. and absolutley NO no trade clauses.
it's is obvious that wagner is losing ever teenie so much on his fastball. last year he was lights out...this season, not so much (at times, recently he seems back on it). he's still for right now very good, but he's 34 right now. you put a 3 year no trade on him, you really think his fastball will be the same when he's 37 years old?
this will be another mike leiberthal if you put a 3 year no trade.
oh, and espn radio reported yesterday that Ed Wade's contract (by process of a clause in his existing contract) was just renewed for 2 more years.
(apparently the clause was he needed to be notified 60 days before the end of the season that his contract would not be renewed, he wasnt notified, therefor ed wade will be around for another 2 years at least)
I agree Wingspan.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2005, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 05, 2005, 10:53:42 AM
I think you can probably add Wagner to the one-man list of 'dirtballs' on the phils that fans want to relate to.
Nah, Todd Pratt goes on that list.
His run-in with Philly's finest not withstanding, Jason Michaels strikes me as a mix-em-up kinda dude as well.
Stringfellow is Telemaco's agent, too...
As for Wade, extensions don't matter if he's fired... >:D
yeah, the phils eat contract all the time for the better of the team 8)
if they planned on firing him, all they had to do was notify him by wednesday or so. and they wouldnt have had to fire him, his contract would have run out.
wade isnt going to go anywhere.
Only 2.5 games out of the WC. I believe they'll blow it.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 05, 2005, 11:40:46 AM
they'll blow it.
Exactly what I thought it said before I could read it, and exactly what I believe too.
Gargano and Missinelli are Destroying Ruben Amarro JR :-D
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 05, 2005, 12:07:33 PM
Gargano and Missinelli are Destroying Ruben Amarro JR :-D
Not sure why. Ruben isn't to blame for the failures of this team.
They were baiting Wade or Amaro to call in, and Ruben did. It was a very testy interview for sure. Amaro is Ed Wade Junior, I wanted to punch him just listening to him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 05, 2005, 12:32:48 PM
They were baiting Wade or Amaro to call in, and Ruben did. It was a very testy interview for sure. Amaro is Ed Wade Junior, I wanted to punch him just listening to him.
Would you bash your boss on the radio for all to hear?
No, I mean the shtein he was saying about the team infuriated me. We think they're OK, they just need to play better. We don't think there necessarily needs to be too much change if we don't make the playoffs, etc.
That angers me.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 05, 2005, 11:33:35 AM
yeah, the phils eat contract all the time for the better of the team 8)
Bowa :paranoid
Bad News Phillies in the 10th inning :boom
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 05, 2005, 11:47:34 PM
Bad News Phillies in the 10th inning :boom
That was almost comical... if you aren't a fan of the Phils. :boom
I was at the Brewers game. The crowd was pretty tough on the players. Bell was getting booed the worst. I thought they should have cut the guy some slack. My buddy got "Diamond Club" tickets from his boss. 10 rows behind home. If you can get tickets in there, pay the money. Sweetest seats I ever had. Lots of people left after the three stooges play. I thought the Phillies were going to come back in the end there.
:-D
I watched the Clearwater Phillies (Threshers) last night here in Daytona and I didn't see a single prospect that belongs above AA talent-wise on the entire team.
So if you're hoping for relief from the low minors in a couple of years, I wouldn't bank on it, at least not from the sawed-off pygmies that are playing there now.
:puke
Moss and Blalock will eventually be promoted, and Mathieson and Segovia are potential promotions if they get their acts together...
Phils down 1-0 already :-\
4-1 Phils after 5 1/2.
Should be about 10-1. David Bell was 0-2 with two strikeouts and FIVE LOB after his first two at-bats.
:-D
LOL. It's now 7-1 Phillies and, of course, Bell rips a shot into right field for a single. :-D
In other news, Utley is on fire with three more RBI's. :yay
1 1/2 back in the WC :paranoid
They'll find a way to choke it away with that long ass road trip at the end of the month.
Those schedule-makers should be shot...
They go to LA & SD this week. Then they come home for 6 games and then they go on a 12-game road trip.
Where does the road trip start? Back on the WC in SF.
WTF?
Nice to see Tomo Ohka continuing his dominance of the Phillies today. He is pitching a 3-hit, 8K shutout through 7 innings right now. :boom
The Nats lost...Phils need to win.
Bell leads off with a double in the 8th...can't get him home. Lofton leads off with a single in the 9th...same result. :boom
They farging suck. I get my hopes up every year and they never fail to disappoint me. :boo
What a buncha bums. >:(
If the Mets win again and sweep the Cubs, the NL East 2nd place through 5th place will be separated by 1 game.... :P
:boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
C'mon guys. You can't possibly expect the Phils to win a series when they are up against a powerhouse like the Brewers.
These aren't the Brewers of Bud Selig. They'll be decent for the next few years (Until they eventually lose Ben Sheets to a money team).
That said, the Phils plain blew the first game themselves.
Yesterday, they were shut out by Tomo Okha. :boom
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 08, 2005, 12:38:35 PM
These aren't the Brewers of Bud Selig. They'll be decent for the next few years (Until they eventually lose Ben Sheets to a money team).
That said, the Phils plain blew the first game themselves.
Yesterday, they were shut out by Tomo Okha. :boom
Last year didnt they sign him 4 years/40 million?
Quote from: Dillen37 on August 08, 2005, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 08, 2005, 12:38:35 PM
These aren't the Brewers of Bud Selig. They'll be decent for the next few years (Until they eventually lose Ben Sheets to a money team).
That said, the Phils plain blew the first game themselves.
Yesterday, they were shut out by Tomo Okha. :boom
Last year didnt they sign him 4 years/40 million?
I think that you may be right. I remember something about that, now that I am thinking about it.
I actually root a bit for the Brewers, being a small-market club that's been down for awhile. This season it looks like they may have turned a bit of a corner, and have some good young players coming up. I think that in the long run the Scott Posednik-for-Carlos Lee will be a steal for them.
The Phils moved from 4th to 3rd without playing. Florida got swept in a makeup DH at Colorado... :-D
So..what's this Tejada character about? How has he been doing? I see he's 2-2....I'm heading to the game tonite...just wondering.
Both teams are sucky and are 6 games out. ::)
Quote from: hbionic on August 09, 2005, 06:44:06 PM
Both teams are sucky and are 6 games out. ::)
Yeah, but how far out of a WC spot is LA?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 09, 2005, 06:45:40 PM
Quote from: hbionic on August 09, 2005, 06:44:06 PM
Both teams are sucky and are 6 games out. ::)
Yeah, but how far out of a WC spot is LA?
It's Division or bust...it's the way it should be. Too many things to be wishing for when worrying about the Wild Card. 6 games isn't alot..but farg, when you can't take advantage of opportunities...that's when it hurts the most.
Burrell 3-run bomb + 441-ft shot by Howard = :evil
Hold your breath, her comes Mr. Geary.
Quote from: hbionic on August 09, 2005, 06:44:06 PM
So..what's this Tejada character about? How has he been doing? I see he's 2-2....I'm heading to the game tonite...just wondering.
Both teams are sucky and are 6 games out. ::)
How'd you enjoy Burrell and Howard's moon shots? :-D
1.5 back of the stros again after their loss yesterday.
I believe I have to go poo right now. I'll be back.
2 outs, 2 strikes and Schmoll, Mr. Nobody...decides to chuck it up for Burrell...I guess he was pissed at us at the left field pavilion for the shtein talking.
That shot by howard was monstrous. You know it was gone once it left the bat. That was sick.
I'm so glad depofargsta didn't pick anyone up to help our bullpen. farg...penny was throwing a good game too. That Tejeda guy didn't do bad....he got himself out of some jams and fanned Kent 3 times.
We'll have a second go at it tonite. We'll see what happens.
Tejeda is frustrating to watch. He'll walk leadoff hitters on 4 pitches and get himself into bases loaded jams, then he'll strike everyone out... :boom
That Howard shot was awesome. Into the blue seats in right-center. That was the first HR he pulled all year... :evil
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 02:09:52 PM
Tejeda is frustrating to watch. He'll walk leadoff hitters on 4 pitches and get himself into bases loaded jams, then he'll strike everyone out... :boom
As opposed to any of our other pitchers who walk leadoff hitterson 4 pitches and get himself into bases loaded jams, only to give up 3 straight doubles?
Yeah, but we already know those guys suck. Tejeda would be dominating if it wasn't for those walks, and that's been his problem throughout the minors, too...
Yep, Tejeda would be a stud if he didn't give up so many free passes. He needs to harness that control.
Brett Myers will toss a shut out tonight.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:27:46 PM
Yep, Tejeda would be a stud if he didn't give up so many free passes. He needs to harness that control.
Brett Myers will toss a shut out tonight.
Yet he'll still lose the game...
:-D
Quote from: jerome99RIP on August 10, 2005, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 10, 2005, 06:27:46 PM
Yep, Tejeda would be a stud if he didn't give up so many free passes. He needs to harness that control.
Brett Myers will toss a shut out tonight.
Yet he'll still lose the game...
:-D
:-D :'( :puke
I laugh because it's funny. I cry because it's true. I puke because I just came across naked pictures of bionic's mom.
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY :P
Thome done for the year....season-ending elbow surgery
Hamels out 4-6 weeks with back spasms
Thome out for the year?!?! :o
Is he having the Tommy John surgery?
Sucks about Hamels...especially since Floyd is a batting practice pitcher now.
How's that big Aussie dude Mathiesen doing, Ed?
He's probably struggling too. Haven't paid much attention...
Frayed elbow tendon for Thome
2-run HR for Abreu already :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 10:00:28 PM
Thome done for the year....season-ending elbow surgery
Any reason this wasn't determined WEEKS ago?
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 10:18:12 PM
2-run HR for Abreu already :yay
And its Kent with the HR to go up 3-2 ::) Wtg myers.
This gem from the D'Backs/Marlins game:
Todd Jones singles off Tim Worrell :-D :-\
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 10:30:35 PM
This gem from the D'Backs/Marlins game:
Todd Jones singles off Tim Worrell :-D :-\
Tim Worrell got a job?
He'll need a new one after tonight. Hey, we got Matt Kata though. Yeah....where did he go already? :P
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2005, 10:32:50 PM
He'll need a new one after tonight. Hey, we got Matt Kata though. Yeah....where did he go already? :P
8/5/05 Recalled LHP Eude Brito from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and optioned INF Matt Kata to Triple-A.
YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HOWARD GRAND SLAM
9-5
GO HOME!
Ryan Howard luvs him sum Dodgers.
Ryan Howard is a scary large black man.
It's amazing how no steroids makes Jim Thome say bye bye.
Edit: wow, that spelling was a disaster.
Ryan Howard....I love him.
Someone go check the smog clouds in LA for holes because Howard's shots are punching out tiny circles in that muck.
Im glad Thome is done, I want Howard to get all the reps he can.
Howard's two homers have been absolute bombs the last two nights but what makes them all the more impressive is the fact that they've been to right-center.
He's starting to figure it out, folks, and that's bad news for the rest of the National League.
:yay
Howard vs Brazoban:
2 pitches
2 HRs
6 RBIs
850 ft.
:-D
i smell intentional walk next time. ;)
or pitching change. lol
I can't believe Tracy didn't yank his ass when he had the chance. He looked horrible starting from the moment he plunked Chase to the second he served up Howard's moon-shot.
I got to see Howard play several times when he was with Clearwater in the Florida State League (I try to go up a couple of times a year, and they play in Ft. Myers a few times as well).
He even hit some bombs down here- and that's a rare feat in the FSL.
This guy is scary strong.
The video of the slam is on Phillies.com ^-^
According to an early version of the 2006 Red Sox schedule, they're the Phils' new home-and-home "rival".... :boom
Odalis Perez is the Phillies daddy. :boo
Everyone in the NL East lost last night. Missed a nice opportunity.... :-\
Trevor Hoffman was on base today signing autographs. He's looks much taller in person. I walked by the autograph table and yelled "Go Phils!" and he laughed. :-D
I'll be at tonights game about mid-level down the first base line. 8)
Burrell hits a 3R shot in the 1st and the bats go silent afterwards....
Jake Peavy is one of the most underrated pitchers in the game. I like him. I'm glad Lieber and the bullpen did their jobs tonight.
Just got back from the game. Went with 2 other Phils fans. There was a drunk Padres fan at the end of our row giving us shtein about TO. I started in on Kaeding, Gates holdout, and Ryan Leaf...that shut him up. Lot's of red in the crowd tonight. Again, PETCO Park blows :boo It's very bland. Going again on Sunday, have to miss tomorrow nights game due to a fishing trip I've had planned.
Bland? Wow.
It looks really nice on television.
Scratch one ballpark from the California itinerary, I guess.
:-\
5 behind Atlanta (could have been 4 had they won that last game vs the Dodgers) and still 2.5 behind Houston.
Love seeing Perez strike out swinging again on a bases loaded, 2 out situation, btw. ::) :boom
Someone should hit Perez in the face with a shaving cream pie laced with hydrochloric acid.
:evil
We might have the worst 3B situation out of any team in playoff contention. Bell sucks. Perez sucks. Martinez sucks. Can't we pick someone off of waivers? Why can't Ed Wade be like Walt Jockety and get someone like Larry Walker in the middle of august for a bag of balls and some hot dogs?
Quote from: T.O._81_RIP on August 13, 2005, 07:55:09 AM
Bland? Wow.
It looks really nice on television.
Scratch one ballpark from the California itinerary, I guess.
:-\
I've been to every Ball Park in California, Pac Bell (Giants) is by far the best.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 13, 2005, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: T.O._81_RIP on August 13, 2005, 07:55:09 AM
Bland? Wow.
It looks really nice on television.
Scratch one ballpark from the California itinerary, I guess.
:-\
I've been to every Ball Park in California, Pac Bell (Giants) is by far the best.
Mmm...garlic fries. ;D
No doubt! :yay
Braves won today. Need a win vs Pistachio to keep pace....
Astros lost. Clemens gave up one run, but got the L. His ERA is 1.34. :o
Great news though. Better take advantage of Astacio, seeing as this is a big chance to move back to 1.5 games back of the WC.
Padilla is pitching very well again. Hopefully he keeps this up through September. Need some runs though.