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Bandwagon Central => General => Topic started by: Zanshin on May 03, 2006, 02:24:15 PM

Title: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 03, 2006, 02:24:15 PM
Just doing my usual dredge for opinions.

I think I want to bump up my laptop memory from it's resident 512 meg. 

Any opinions on whether I should just order the memory and pop it in myself, or bring it in for someone else to do it?

My laptop has a 1.5 gig memory capacity, so I think a single gig chip should do the trick.  Then again, if it's way cheaper, I might just pop in another 512.  Generally, I use the machine as a desktop replacement, and I think the extra memory might make it a little easier to process any of the minor video-editing tasks I might run into. 

But is the installation easy (like opening a door and popping it in carefully) or hard (as in taking the thing apart and risking breaking it). 

On my desktop, I did it myself, and it was ridiculously easy.  Just wondering if that was also true for laptops.

If it matters, I have a Toshiba Satellite A75-s229.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Wingspan on May 03, 2006, 02:30:23 PM
check the manual.

it's probably easy, just stick with name brand.

you probably just pop off the keyboard and snap it in. most laptops make ram easily accessible
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 03, 2006, 03:16:54 PM
My P25 has a door on the bottom. Just take out the screws, open the panel, and the memory expansion area is right there.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Cerevant on May 03, 2006, 03:17:09 PM
My Toshiba was stupid-easy to upgrade.  Remove one screw and there's the RAM slots. 

Looks like your system has 512M built in, with a 2 slots to add more.  The last page of this file (http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_outFrm.jsp?moid=835418&ct=DS&soid=856263&BV_SessionID=@@@@1976099709.1146683561@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfaddhjedemldcgfkceghdgngdgnn.0) shows where to put the memory.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 03, 2006, 03:40:10 PM
That's very, handy...thanks.

I also need to get a new battery for the thing...man, those fargers are pricey.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 03, 2006, 05:25:52 PM
I hate laptop batteries. I run on A/C most of the time, and it ends up pretty much killing the longevity of the battery.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Diomedes on May 03, 2006, 07:11:09 PM
My old lady actually makes a point of running the laptop from the battery until it's dead, then plugging it back in.  Which means she nags me to do the same.  It's an annoying practice, but it does preserve battery life.  Same with cell phones.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 03, 2006, 07:37:53 PM
Yeah, that's the way to do it. I recently replaced the batteries in our home cordless phones, and I had to explain the process to the wife. I'm not sure she completely understands, but at least she's humoring me.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on May 03, 2006, 09:20:33 PM
Like other people have said, it is stupid easy. Putting together an old school snap-tite model is harder. I would go with the 512MB stick, it'll save you some dough, and in the event a stick goes in the crapper, the laptop will still function on the remaing stick when you remove the bad one. Just remember whenever you are swapping anything in a computer, properly ground yourself. Static kills.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 04, 2006, 08:50:41 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on May 03, 2006, 07:11:09 PM
My old lady actually makes a point of running the laptop from the battery until it's dead, then plugging it back in. Which means she nags me to do the same. It's an annoying practice, but it does preserve battery life. Same with cell phones.

Think it would help if I didn't leave it plugged in overnight?  Actually, I hardly ever turn it off; at most, I'll close the lid to hibernate...but leave it plugged in pretty much 24/7, other than when I take it to the couch or something.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: phattymatty on May 04, 2006, 09:16:39 AM
I need to upgrade mine too, I also have a Toshiba. 

I was actually just wonering about this the other day, can you just buy any kind of memory or is it brand specific? 
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 04, 2006, 09:25:33 AM
I've seen that many Toshibas need a KTT3311/512 Kingston PC2100/PC2700, 512MB DDR compatible.  I'm not going to take a chance to save $3, so I'll probably just pick up the Kingston.  If you go to www.tigerdirect.com, they have a memory wizard thing that tells you what you need for your particular laptop.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 04, 2006, 09:27:00 AM
Actually, here's the direct link to that confgurator (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/memory_config.asp).
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: phattymatty on May 04, 2006, 09:32:25 AM
sweet, thanks
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Cerevant on May 04, 2006, 11:16:49 AM
Let me clarify a few things on the battery life discussion above.  If you don't want the details, just read the last paragraph.

Running a rechargable battery until it is dead is a good practice for batteries that suffer from "memory effect" - these days this means Nickle Cadmium (NiCd) batteries.  If you bought something cheap with a rechargable battery (toothbrush, razor, etc) you should never recharge the battery until it is completely dead. (Or dead enough not to be useful anymore)

Most modern electronics now use Lithium Ion (LiIon) or Nickle-metal Hydride (NiMH) batteries - these batteries have no memory effect and will last longer if you keep them charged.  This applies to things like cell phones, iPods, etc.

Now for laptops: Most laptops now have NiMH or LiIon batteries, but they are "smart" batteries that can tell the laptop how much charge is left.  The problem is that the measurement it uses gets out of synch, and it lies to the laptop - and the battery doesn't get fully charged.  Running the battery until it is dead re-calibrates this meter, so that the battery can be charged properly again.

So, for laptops, I recommend running it until it is dead *occasionally* - once every one or two months.  Otherwise, it is best to just keep it charged.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 04, 2006, 11:54:36 AM
Well, I certainly do that.  And after a year and a few months, it only holds about a 15-20 minute charge.  I'm not sure what the average life span of these things tends to be.  Maybe that's about right.  Guess all I need to know is that I have to pony up for a new one.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Diomedes on May 04, 2006, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on May 04, 2006, 11:16:49 AM
Let me clarify a few things on the battery life discussion above....

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 04, 2006, 12:57:08 PM
So you're saying that my 2 minutes of battery life is normal? That once it's "dead", I should expect to get a full recharge out of it?
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Cerevant on May 04, 2006, 01:43:07 PM
Well, there's a bit more to it than that - obviously all batteries die, we're just talking about what you should do to keep it lasting longer - which is different depending on the battery.

Here's an interesting article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_batteries) on Wikipedia that covers some interesting stuff - apparently temperature can have a pretty big effect as well.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 08, 2006, 04:04:30 PM
Okay, just popped in another 512 of RAM.  Any idea why my computer would only show me as having 896 meg of RAM, now that I popped 512 on top of the resident 512?  Do I need to do something other than just pop it in?
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Father Demon on May 08, 2006, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on May 08, 2006, 04:04:30 PM
Do I need to do something other than just pop it in?

Man, if I had a nickel for every time I've asked that exact question...     :paranoid
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Wingspan on May 08, 2006, 04:45:11 PM
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on May 08, 2006, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on May 08, 2006, 04:04:30 PM
Do I need to do something other than just pop it in?

Man, if I had a nickel for every time I've asked that exact question...     :paranoid

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Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 08, 2006, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on May 08, 2006, 04:04:30 PM
Okay, just popped in another 512 of RAM.  Any idea why my computer would only show me as having 896 meg of RAM, now that I popped 512 on top of the resident 512?  Do I need to do something other than just pop it in?

Are you seeing the 896 in Windows, or in your CMOS setup area?
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 09, 2006, 08:28:04 AM
In Windows, when I go to Start>Control Panel>Performance and Maintenance>See Basic Information about your computer.

And I should probably mention that I don't know what a CMOS setup area is. ;)
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 09, 2006, 10:21:39 AM
When you boot, before Windows starts up, the computer gives you the option to see the "setup" by clicking F2, that's the CMOS area. Somewhere in there you should see the installed amount of RAM. I believe you should also see the correct amount when the PC first boots, as it's doing it's power-on self-test (POST).

I suspect that what your'e seeing once Windows runs is the available memory. Most likely, your laptop shares some of the installed RAM with the video card. It's a typical way to make a lower-cost video display work better - offload the memory requirement for the video onto the overall system memory.

Anyway, it looks to me like your system is pre-allocating 128 mb of RAM for the video functions and reporting the remainder as available. It was probably doing that before (giving you 384 mb of available memory). It's nothing to worry about, since you just pumped in a bunch of extra RAM.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Zanshin on May 09, 2006, 10:53:41 AM
Cool.  I do believe that I did bump up the amount of memory available to the video card.  I'll check that out.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Laptop Memory Upgrade
Post by: Diomedes on May 09, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
I heart this thread.  You learn things here.