strong start from howie....
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$10 million over the cap assuming the cap is set at the rumored $178 million
See ya Torrey Smith $5 million with no dead cap space see ya Celek $5 million with $1 million dead space. Celek should call it a career but he might come back for cheap. Vinny Curry had a nice year but he's not worth $11 million so peace out. I like Mack Hollins but I'm not convinced he can slide into Smiths spot. They can add a Veteran WR more effective and cheaper than Smith. Howie will need to work his Jew magic to restructure some deals. Last off-season we thought they wouldn't sign anyone because they were over and they went out and signed Blount/Jeffery/Smith/Wis/Warmack/Long/Robinson. They're in that Veterans will come here because they want a ring category so they might be able to retain or sign some players
Trey Burton's definitely gone. Someone's going to pay him, and he should take whatever money he can get.
Can Celek long snap?
I assume Celek's going to retire.
Can Grugier-Hill punt?
Quote from: Diomedes on February 28, 2018, 08:10:30 PM
Can Celek long snap?
they have a great young long snapper who probably is better than dorenbus ever was and is from jersey....unless he out of nowhere gets the yips or something he should be an eagle for the next 12 years no questions asked
freak athlete
philly's own
maryland wide receiver
dj moore
meeting with eagles tonight
he would be an amazing get...could be a great return man too
I'm interested to see what happens at RB if/when Sproles comes back.
Blount was on a 1 year deal so if the birds don't bring him back or if he gets a better offer elsewhere, then you're looking at Ajayi/Clement/Sproles...which is still a nice looking backfield.
Sproles could probably be used primarily in the return game and Ajayi/Clement would handle the bulk of the offensive snaps. Throw Sproles out there maybe like 3-5 times a game hoping for 1 big play.
I'm not sure if Clement is actually ready/capable of handing a larger role, but it's hard to argue with his production so I'm fine with giving him a shot.
This of course assumes that they do bring Sproles back (I think he's a FA) and that they don't bring in other backs via FA or the draft.
I kinda' figured the same deal with Blount although I'd love to have him back in an Eagles uni. Think Pederson might want that one power back for short yardage, which would mean Sproles or Celment would go.
Same here as for Clement. Don't see how they let a guy like that go for Sproles coming off an injury and being, 35 I think it is?
He's an unrestricted free agent, they prob could get him for vet minimum, maybe.
Clement isn't going anywhere. He's on his rookie contract through the 2019 season.
Sproles is 33.
I'd also be fine with bringing Blount back but I'm not sure if he's cool with having a reduced role. Gotta assume that Ajayi will be the #1 back next year.
hard to say any position is deep for the eagles since they only pick twice in the first 130 picks but RB is loaded this year
i would guess they go with: ajayi, clement, pumphrey, rookie as the 4 rbs on the roster next year.
they obviously will bring in a somewhat notable veteran and a decent undrafted option for camp but douglas loves pumphrey and what killed him last year was injuries not talent.
no surprise here but rappaport reporting eagles will release vinny curry
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2018, 05:25:57 PM
no surprise here but rappaport reporting eagles will release vinny curry
He's definitely not worth $11 million but cutting him comes with $6 million in dead cap space. I think Means steps in and plays well.
new howie and joe d dont draft for need but if BPA is even close i think they will take a DE to throw in the rotation...they put so much emphasis on the lines
rappaport is a top 5 terrible person in the nfl and he backed off the curry report immediately. could take a paycut or get traded. not breaking news to say hes not coming back for his current salary.
If there's a way to keep Blount, I say we do it. And what I say is important.
It was magic having Blount and Ajai back there. It kept them both fresh with Clement as a perfect complement.
If no one has an ego, and they can focus on winning, this is the formula. Blount had some nice TD runs in the NFCCG and Superbowl.
roll that blount....smoke that jay
My man!
Blount will get paid elsewhere, and leave without any hard feelings.
It will be Ajayi, Clement, Smallwood, Pumphrey, and a rookie.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 05, 2018, 06:29:44 AM
Blount will get paid elsewhere, and leave without any hard feelings.
Nobody wanted him last season after he rushed for over 1000 yards and lead the league with 18 TDS. The Birds didn't sign him until a few months moths into free agency and he signed for $1 million which is peanuts. He's also 31. If they can re-sign him for roughly the same deal and have a Blount/Ajayi/Clement backfield again they'd be crazy not to. Smallwood is camp fodder and Pumphrey would be possible trade bait if the draft wasn't so stacked at RB. My only worry would be with Ayaji in a split backfield for an entire season. Hopefully the Super bowl victory takes his selfish ego out of the equation.
If they didn't keep Smallwood, I wouldn't care at all. He hasn't done much with the opportunities he's had. He looks like a guy.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 05, 2018, 06:29:44 AM
It will be Ajayi, Clement, Smallwood, Pumphrey, and a rookie.
This is what will actually happen. And Ajayi, Clement, and the rookie will be the guys who actually get touches Week 1. The other two might not survive camp, so the roster will be rounded out by someone from the league recycling bin.
Being reported the Birds were offered a 2nd for Foles. Pass. If they got a 1st and 4th for Sammy sleeves they ought to get more for Foles. I'd actually make it known I was holding onto him until training camp to make sure Wentz is fully recovered...let's other teams know they're not desperate to trade him and they need to up the ante. Worst case scenario you go into the season with acSB MVP as your backup.
Based on the talk leading up to today, I would be shocked if they traded him for a 2nd. I think they are totally comfortable with the situation as-is, but are open to trades if someone makes a ridiculous offer. It's gotta be somewhere he wants to go too, so that he can sign an extension.
Concur. Someone comes sniffing around with a decent 1st, that's a conversation starter. Only way I'd even consider a 2nd is if on that day a talent unexpectedly drops and is sitting at that spot that I had to have. Otherwise he's insurance on any Wentz injury setbacks. No need to rush him back for the sake of it.
What does Foles want?
Taking him at his word, he's fine with staying. I'm sure he'd also be fine with going to a team he approves of and getting a whole bunch of money.
obviously i would try and bleed someone but if its just a 2nd i do it...chances of repeating are very small much smaller than wentz taking them back there within the next several years and id rather have a second rounder to contribute to another title in the near future (or maybe even this year if somehow they got back) than having foles for just this season...and thats if foles even plays this year...theres a realistic chance wentz starts the season
draft picks are overrated.
You try to draft a guy so that you can have someone who can hopefully 'prove' themselves to be worthy.
Not sure Foles hasn't 'proven' himself yet. He only beat Tommy Boy in his own game.
Hold out for two 1sts, handjobs for life, and donuts.
foles was drafted
He's overrated.
By draft week they should know how Wentz's progress is coming along. I am still very concerned with his injury. I'm sure he'll bounce back but having it happen in December was brutal. I still think Foles starts the first month, minimum.
Have him start the first half of the season. There's no rush to bring him back.
I'd sacrifice this next season for a healthier following season. No need for his knee to go RGIII on us.
Or, let's just play the Pats 16 times so we can be undefeated. :evil
Official cap number is $177.2 million. Eagles have to clear $10.4-$11.2 mill (depending on source) of 2018 salary by March 14.
I'd imagine Howie is working overtime to re-structure some deals. They can shave $5M alone by not taking Smith's option year, right?
Shouldn't be too hard to get under the cap, question is what happens after.
Smith/Celek cut gets them close to the cap. Curry is either traded (long shot), restructured, or is cut...that's an additional $5 million.
id bet celek comes back but obviously for a cheaper number.
Quote from: MDS on March 06, 2018, 10:16:37 AM
id bet celek comes back but obviously for a cheaper number.
Celek back at $1 million is a no-brainer, anything beyond that good luck finding a better deal. They still need a back up TE, sucks losing Burton but luckily there's halfway decent back up TEs who are about to hit the market.
BGN put this together, it's a list of FA's and their relationship to the organization whether it be coach, front office, previous player etc. Definitely some names worth creating some cap space for
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/3/2/17044786/nfl-free-agency-2018-42-players-connections-philadelphia-eagles-rumors-agents-jeremy-maclin-bradham
Quote from: AO1 on March 06, 2018, 10:06:20 AM
Smith/Celek cut gets them close to the cap. Curry is either traded (long shot), restructured, or is cut...that's an additional $5 million.
I read something along the lines of, a trade won't help them get to the cap because the deadline for being under the cap is also the opening of the trade window, so even if you have a trade lined up, first you gotta be below the cap.
I'd love to see the Eagles get something for Curry but they farged themselves with his contract. Everyone knows they Eagles aren't going to keep him, and no one wants that contract, so it seems that the only way he gets traded is if: a.) it's known that multiple teams are seriously interested in him and b.) one of them is so interested that they're willing to jump the line by offering the Eagles something before he's cut, and finally c.) said team would have to be somewhere that Curry wants to play and is willing to re-negotiate his contract with upon arrival. Does that seem about right?
Whoever gets him is gonna be happy. He's no super star, but he's damn good all around.
it wont help them get to the cap because trading a player is the same as releasing a player in that if the eagles traded curry they would be free of all future base salaries but would still be cap responsible for the bonus money that has already been paid and the still remaining bonus pro rations count against the cap that year
its not like trading him takes away his 11 million dollar hit while releasing him would be 6 mil dead money
also the team acquiring him in a trade are obviously on the hook for his remaning base salary which i believe is over 20 million for the next two years...i cant see anyone paying him that much less giving up something to pay him that
i think its all but a certainty hes released
Right, you have to be under the cap by 4PM EDT March 14, which is when the trading window begins. For the same reason, designating someone as a post-June 1 cut doesn't help for this. Both can help you stay under the cap as you make other signings, but don't help to get under the cutoff on Day 1 of the league year.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 06, 2018, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: AO1 on March 06, 2018, 10:06:20 AM
Smith/Celek cut gets them close to the cap. Curry is either traded (long shot), restructured, or is cut...that's an additional $5 million.
I read something along the lines of, a trade won't help them get to the cap because the deadline for being under the cap is also the opening of the trade window, so even if you have a trade lined up, first you gotta be below the cap.
I'd love to see the Eagles get something for Curry but they farged themselves with his contract. Everyone knows they Eagles aren't going to keep him, and no one wants that contract, so it seems that the only way he gets traded is if: a.) it's known that multiple teams are seriously interested in him and b.) one of them is so interested that they're willing to jump the line by offering the Eagles something before he's cut, and finally c.) said team would have to be somewhere that Curry wants to play and is willing to re-negotiate his contract with upon arrival. Does that seem about right?
Whoever gets him is gonna be happy. He's no super star, but he's damn good all around.
Agreed all around. Best case scenario would be he agrees to restructure his deal so they can defer money further down the line. Curry's a perfect rotation player and the versatility to move him inside on passing downs cannot be overstated. Usually I'm against deferring money for players I don't think will be around long term but this is a SB team so I agree strike while iron is hot. They're eating the $6 million one way or another.
Quote from: AO1 on March 06, 2018, 10:54:28 AM
They still need a back up TE
billy brown will get a real chance to make the 53....not a bad position to draft, too. i cant see them spending much in FA on tight end should celek retire
Quote from: MDS on March 06, 2018, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: AO1 on March 06, 2018, 10:54:28 AM
They still need a back up TE
billy brown will get a real chance to make the 53....not a bad position to draft, too. i cant see them spending much in FA on tight end should celek retire
Obviously. If they were going to spend, it would be easier to bring back their second favorite Super Bowl LII touchdown thrower.
Re the 2 for Foles... He's a Super Bowl champion in the prime of his career. If someone offered me a two for him, I'd laugh and then tell the bonehead to lose my number.
wha? who?
foles isnt being traded for a 2 now...if they get blown away with like a 1 and a 3 theyd do it...otherwise you hold on to him and wait for phil rivers to tear an acl during camp and for san diego to get desperate.
if this doesnt happen at the deadline you can unload him for a 3 or something. well worth the risk. and also the knowledge that you have a very good backup and your franchise qb is coming back from a shredded acl.
According to Adam Caplan/ESPN, Celek plans to keep playing.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 06, 2018, 05:36:51 PM
According to Adam Caplan/ESPN, Celek plans to keep playing.
Hopefully he plans on playing for a lot less. Or he'll be playing back in Cincinnati.
I love the guy but he's not getting a starting TE position in the NFL. He knows this, he must. I have to believe if he thinks he's playing, it's with the Eagles, for whatever they'll pay him.
Maybe he'll go back up his brother for a couple years.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 06, 2018, 08:35:57 PM
I love the guy but he's not getting a starting TE position in the NFL.
he might not get an offer at all
Got the LII video on Amazon. Its very good. Nice surprise at the end. I still cant believe they finally won it all.
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32. Philadelphia Eagles
D.J. Chark, WR, LSU
The Super Bowl champions have the luxury of drafting for value, for a roster without many holes. Chark is a raw route-runner but has the tools to develop. His stock is on the rise after a great Senior Bowl week and combine workout, punctuated with a 4.34 40 and 40-inch vertical jump. He could fill Torrey Smith's role as an explosive vertical WR in the future.
If he's BPA sure draft him. But he'd be the 4th option behind Ertz/Jeffery/Agholor. I'd rather they release Smith and his $5 million no dead money ass and sign a veteran WR on the cheap. There are plenty out there who would come on the cheap for a chance to win a ring.
They need to focus on OL and LB.
I don't even see the need to sign a FA WR unless he's cheap. I'm good with seeing more Mack Hollins and drafting WR prospect late.
Agree that OL and LB should be the focus. Eagles aren't keeping both Bradham and Kendricks and the bench isn't strong.
if they wanna resign bradham and/or curry and i have no idea how strongly they feel about either one then they could easily do it by restructuring one or two of their biggest deals cox or LJ for example and convert their base salaries to bonuses
they have to weigh their desire to do so (again we dont know how strongly they feel about any of these guys) and their desire to go all in on winning next year against future cap damage but doing it would create a lot of money
Unless Wentz breaks his spine or looks like ass this year, they are likely going to dump a mountain of cash on him between the end of the 2018 and 2019 seasons. I think every contract or renegotiation they sign between now and then is done with that giant bill in mind. I don't see Howie as a "win in 2018, farg the future" kind of guy.
Either way, we know his spreadsheet game is strong. Even when a lot of us wanted the guy fired, none of us doubted that. I think we can have total confidence in him getting under the cap with minimal damage to what made this team champions.
Pretty sure they feel good about Bradham considering he's the best LB they have. If he gets an Oprah offer, then bye, though. And not because he's not worth it either. You can't pay everyone. Too bad too because he deserves it.
Bradham is my favorite linebacker on the squad. Love his energy and his near misses on big plays.
Hope they find a way to keep him.
Ummmm Michael Bennett was traded here
Wut
bennett, graham, cox, barnett
good luck
A fifth round pick and WR Marcus Johnson for Bennett and a 7th round pick.
What's Bennett's contract look like?
hes making a lot
it was nice knowing you nigel bradham
Better question...who was marcus johnson?
the last wr on the roster...undrafted made the team out of camp....was rarely active and when he was he didnt do much. has speed which seattle covets. might wind up being an ok deep threat only receiver but highly unlikely youre ever going to remember hes gone.
Ha. Thanks MDS. I barely remember he was on the team.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 07, 2018, 12:25:32 PM
Either way, we know his spreadsheet game is strong. Even when a lot of us wanted the guy fired, none of us doubted that. I think we can have total confidence in him getting under the cap with minimal damage to what made this team champions.
Yeah, there was never any doubt that he could balance the books. It was always a question of his ability to evaluate players, identify good coaches, and actually deal in the NFL.
So far I don't see how anyone could feel he hasn't done well in all areas. I mean, I'm not sure how he ranks as a talent evaluator, but that story from last year about him wanting Jason Peters when he was on the Bills PS really opened my eyes and made me consider the possibility that the guy just might legitimately know football things.
I'm all in on Howie until this team goes 3-13.
Even if he was a terrible talent evaluator (and I'm not saying he is), there are a ton of other people paid by the Eagles to evaluate talent. If he could humbly accept their input and feed that into his spreadsheets, that would be a perfectly acceptable way of managing the roster.
It's only when someone tries to do something they suck at (Chip) that gets you into trouble.
heres the math on bennett
https://overthecap.com/player/michael-bennett/359/
might be a 1 year deal...2 at the most. no way that number happens in 2020.
Quote from: MDS on March 07, 2018, 03:18:10 PM
heres the math on bennett
The big question is how much of the cap hit the Seahawks are eating. I think it could be most of it.
Peace out Vinny. The line just got better and cheaper.
I think Seattle is eating a little over $5 million in dead money.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 07, 2018, 03:39:16 PM
I think Seattle is eating a little over $5 million in dead money.
yea shiel had the details and its about that
also looks like my man is happy
https://twitter.com/mosesbread72/status/971488222311104512
He's gonna have to buy 72 from Big V
zierlein 2.0
Ronald Jones - RB, USC
The Eagles would love to add a slasher with big-play talent at running back, and that is exactly what Jones would provide.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/972177721823584256
Howie must be able to hypnotize people. Can't believe they got anything for Smith, let along someone who could actually contribute something..and save $4 mil. That's like magic.
I was just reading the there are rumors that the Eagles want to trade one of the CBs on their roster and that this could help facilitate that while also freeing up cap space and getting something in return for a player they were just going to cut. Seems like a smart move? Maybe? Who farging knows. At the very least this dude saw the field with a good Panthers D and they are shaving salary so yay.
Edit: Also the CB group on this team is young as farg, which could be fun. Or terrible.
Of course it's a smart move. They move a player who didn't play to expectations and got cap relieve all while getting somebody whom might actually do something and/or flexibility to make other moves. There's nothing not to like about it.
BUT WHAT IF HE SUCKS. Answer me that, smart guy.
Cut him, and be happy you still aren't throwing to Smith and save $4 mil. I could live with that. Or, since it's Howie-- trade him for a 2nd using some black magic. He got something for Torrey Smith, imagine what he could do for a young corner with starting experience.
Fine.
They were cutting Smith 100% no doubt. Howie somehow gets something in return.
JEW MAGIC.
talk about familial....north philly penn charter cat....second ever pc guy to make the nfl (matty ice)...also played college ball with rasul
Daryl Worley? Super Bo... oh wait
I wouldn't be surprised if they try Worley at safety. Even if they traded one of the CBs, they are still very deep there.
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on March 10, 2018, 02:07:17 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they try Worley at safety. Even if they traded one of the CBs, they are still very deep there.
My line of thinking as well. They already have a slew of young CBs.
mcleod might wind up being your cap casualty then
Crazy to think about the young depth they have at CB, when this time last year that felt like the absolute, most dire void.
I mean, they did help give up 500+ yards to a 40 year old QB in the last game they played.
They were mesmerized by his good looks, obviously.
Supposedly close on an extension with Robinson. I'm all for keeping Robinson, he was a great slot3rd CB, but even assuming Worley's getting moved to safety, there's a logjam at CB. I think Darby gets moved.
robinson is the guy i'm least enthused about coming back - he was very good last year but the odds that is an aberration is higher to me than other FAs. can't bring back everyone. i'd rather not spend too much money on 31 yo journeyman corner coming off his best year.
all those reasons you mentioned are why they can resign him....probably not a great market for him...at a fair number i think hes worth it just because there is no plan B...no one else on the roster can play in the slot and you are not finding a slot corner on the open market that is better than robinson and that you can afford....so then you are down to hoping you find a slot corner in the draft?...that would be terrible
If they can find a way to keep the best CB on the team last year, I can't complain. Not realistic to expect him to replicate 2017, but obviously he fits the Eagles defense better than anyone else at the position.
At this point, I just worry Howie's paying for all this stuff by cutting JP.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 12, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
robinson is the guy i'm least enthused about coming back - he was very good last year but the odds that is an aberration is higher to me than other FAs. can't bring back everyone. i'd rather not spend too much money on 31 yo journeyman corner coming off his best year.
decent point but who else will play slot? jalen mills. please.
Quote from: MDS on March 12, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 12, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
robinson is the guy i'm least enthused about coming back - he was very good last year but the odds that is an aberration is higher to me than other FAs. can't bring back everyone. i'd rather not spend too much money on 31 yo journeyman corner coming off his best year.
decent point but who else will play slot? jalen mills. please.
I'd love Mills in the slot. He's perfect a perfect fit covering in traffic.
I understand the argument and it depends on the contract but I'm not in on Robinson repeating last year's performance. I'm not sure who would play slot - maybe Rasul there limits his weakness veritically due to his lack of speed.
theres no one on the current roster who can play slot except for robinson
looks like they are going to trade darby...so if you minus his salary and say doubled robinsons you are only coming out of pocket for a few hundred thousand bucks
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2018, 02:13:56 PM
theres no one on the current roster who can play slot except for robinson
Malcolm Jenkins
hes your backup slot...you really want him elsewhere
mclane already hinted at the FO being annoyed at darby's rehab last year and his inconsistent play. if they arent going to resign him (they arent), getting a pick back for him makes sense.
Darby blew for the majority of the year but he picked it up a bit in the playoffs. He's the most physically gifted DB on the roster but he gets lost in coverage and looks confused. If Howie gets a 3rd for him that would be good value.
Quote from: AO1 on March 12, 2018, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2018, 02:13:56 PM
theres no one on the current roster who can play slot except for robinson
Malcolm Jenkins
hes good to match up against a te or a big long wr but he cant handle those small shifty slot wr's nor should he be able to...at the end of the day hes a safety
Darby was always either just a half step behind where he needed to be, or would be in the right position but not make the play. He did pick it up in the playoffs a bit though.
I share in the worry about Robinson being an aberration this season but even if he sucks they've got depth. I'm ok with trading Darby bc like lil guy said they're not re-signing him
Darby go abused by Eli, and the QB's from the latter part of the schedule.
The fact that the Playoff opponents didn't capitalize on him biting on every out was shame on them.
Darby did make plays but he was too much of a liability. I don't see how Douglas couldn't do the same thing Darby did. Douglas was playing solid as the weeks went by.
Keep Robinson, Mills, Douglas, Jones, and the new guy.
Later Darby. Thanks for your service.
Since we're talking Darby...this from the Super Bowl thread
Quote from: Diomedes on February 06, 2018, 06:36:17 PM
I can't remember a good Darby play. Help me out. Every time I remember, he's playing super soft, ten yards off, he's playing catch up to someone who ran past him, or he's missing a tackle.
Mills I've love from the first finger wag when he was a scrub nobody.
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 06, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
Darby threw that key block that sprung Robinson against the Vikings, iirc it was after Kyle Rudolf scored the 1st TD after the D came out in disarray. If not it isn't a pic 6 and the Vikes were never right after that. Darby had a key int to beat the Raiders and one against dallas with the scored tied, or nearly so. Mills got torched a lot on slugo and double moves (not that he was the only one) through middle and latter part of the season and probably should have lost the playoff game against ATL with a PI against Julio Jones. Obviously, if that happens, no SB for us.
Edit: It is true the corners played soft, especially earlier in the year when they were a hot mess, but it was a good call by Schwartz to go to a bend but don't break, play off coverage, and be a sure tackler. As the backfield gelled and Darby came back from injury they could play tighter and a bit more man.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 12, 2018, 07:51:42 PM
I share in the worry about Robinson being an aberration this season but even if he sucks they've got depth.
if they had depth in the slot they wouldnt need to sign robinson
Quote from: hbionic on March 12, 2018, 09:51:03 PM
Darby go abused by Eli, and the QB's from the latter part of the schedule.
The fact that the Playoff opponents didn't capitalize on him biting on every out was shame on them.
Darby did make plays but he was too much of a liability. I don't see how Douglas couldn't do the same thing Darby did. Douglas was playing solid as the weeks went by.
Keep Robinson, Mills, Douglas, Jones, and the new guy.
Later Darby. Thanks for your service.
thing you gotta remember with darby is he joined the team right before the season then was hurt for the first half...i think hes better than people give him credit for and his ceiling is higher than anyone in the secondary with the possible exception of sidney jones...problem is the cap and he hits free agency a year before mills (even tho hes only three months older)...but just as a player id rather have darby than mills
I heard Mills has green hair though. Not sure when he did that but it has to be factored into his talent evaluation.
Roid boy restructured to create cap space
Whatever Howie did it created $7.5 million in cap space. So they only need to shed $2.2 million to get under.
Cut Celek and you've got that, plus.
cuzzo to minny gives the birds a good match for foles in arizona
1st round pick swap?
Celek cut
expected
I'm glad he survived the Chippening and got his ring.
Quote from: MDS on March 13, 2018, 12:04:17 PM
cuzzo to minny gives the birds a good match for foles in arizona
1st round pick swap?
ok lets try this with the jets and the bills instead
Quote from: MDS on March 13, 2018, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 13, 2018, 12:04:17 PM
cuzzo to minny gives the birds a good match for foles in arizona
1st round pick swap?
ok lets try this with the jets and the bills instead
lol
Sammy Sleeves
Foles isn't going anywhere. The Bills are obviously trying to move up for a QB and the Jets will take a guy at 6.
Signed a ST LB from the Broncos, Corey Nelson. 1 year deal. Not new thread worthy.
Restructured Brooks deal, saved $5 million. Howie working his Jew magic
Beau Allen is signing with Tampa
For a 7th round pick he turned himself into a really good role player.
Quote from: AO1 on March 13, 2018, 05:07:47 PM
Restructured Brooks deal, saved $5 million. Howie working his Jew magic
howie magic >>> hinkie magic
one of the beats said on twitter today that the brooks restructure isnt true
this is really huge so lets all get to the bottom of it
p rob to the 2018 nfc co favorite
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2018, 02:34:01 PM
p rob to the 2018 nfc co favorite
4 years at age 31? I'd like to see the contract details
Damn!
Source says Patrick Robinson's Saints deal is for four years, $20 million with $10 million in guarantees including a $5 million signing bonus.
essentially a two year deal worth ten million
The Eagles aren't the favorite to win the NFC
https://youtu.be/q1hZVDLkJDc
You got no fear of the underdog
That's why you will not survive
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2018, 02:47:49 PM
Damn!
Source says Patrick Robinson's Saints deal is for four years, $20 million with $10 million in guarantees including a $5 million signing bonus.
Big time PASS
Probably came down to keeping him or Bradham. I think Howie made the right call here.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 14, 2018, 02:55:44 PM
The Eagles aren't the favorite to win the NFC
in vegas they probably are...i personally think the eagles and saints are tied and just a pubic hair above the rams who are lil guys bird ahead of the vikes
eagles biggest problem is not in any players they have lost its in that its really farging hard to repeat...i actually think the coaching staff turnover is a bigger negative than all the players they will end up losing combined
Quote from: MDS on March 14, 2018, 02:17:00 PM
one of the beats said on twitter today that the brooks restructure isnt true
this is really huge so lets all get to the bottom of it
Yeah, I've seen nothing more about it, so it looks like an urban legend.
On top of that:
- Matchup advantages against the Eagles are being specifically sought
- Already strong NFC seems to be getting better via trades & free agency, plus full seasons of Rodgers and Jimmy G
- Wentz return from injury big question mark
- Eagles play the first place schedule
- Hybrid offense the Eagles used in the playoffs won't survive an offseason of game planning, and other teams will be running it
yeah those all fall under the its really farging hard to repeat thing
on the positive side normally when you win the super bowl you had pretty good health....but the eagles title was a depth superbowl...their injuries cant possibly be worse than last year...
also while there is the sub conscious human element in not having that fire once you win the eagles have the conscious part locked down...they do not seem like a roster/organization that will rest on its laurels having just won one
still
its really farging hard to repeat
Sidney Jones in and Patrick Robinson out.
Yeah, thanks for the memories, P-Rob. ✌🏻
i suspect he gets a long term deal cause there is a lot of money still out there but i wouldnt totally discount eric ebron signing an alshon type contract this offseason....would be a perfect fit for the birds on a one year deal...they need a te and he can play himself into a long term deal next offseason by playing with/in foles/wentz/eagles offense
QuoteI'm told that Patrick Robinson's new deal with the Saints will be for four years, $20 million with $10 million guaranteed, $8 million in the first year with $2 million due on the third day of the league year in 2019 (for injury). The Eagles actually offered more money overall but the Saints offered more guaranteed.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2018, 03:40:46 PM
i suspect he gets a long term deal cause there is a lot of money still out there but i wouldnt totally discount eric ebron signing an alshon type contract this offseason....would be a perfect fit for the birds on a one year deal...they need a te and he can play himself into a long term deal next offseason by playing with/in foles/wentz/eagles offense
On a 1 year prove it type deal Enron would be perfect.
If I'm taking someone on a one year prove it deal, I'm targeting Tyler Eifert over Ebron. Far more productive than Ebron ever was when Eifert was actually on the field. Eifert's issues are health related, which would be negated some with less playing time. Ebron is a bum, and it's not like he was playing with some stiff QB in Detroit, Stafford is pretty good. Ebron just comes off as an underachieving loser. Eifert is a bigger risk, but if he can stay healthy he has a much higher ceiling.
Eiferts a top 10 TE when he's healthy, some teams going to sign him to be s starter.
Quote from: AO1 on March 14, 2018, 06:40:31 PM
Eiferts a top 10 TE when he's healthy, some teams going to sign him to be s starter.
yeah I can't imagine him signing a cheap one year deal as a back up
QuoteEagles created $5.407M in cap space in 2018 by converting $7.21M of TE Zach Ertz's $8M base salary into a fully guaranteed roster bonus.
Quote from: AO1 on March 14, 2018, 06:40:31 PM
Eiferts a top 10 TE when he's healthy, some teams going to sign him to be s starter.
BUT if he comes, he might be able to make up that money by selling "My ball Zach Ertz when Eifert." Shirts. Problem solved.
no interest in ebron...he brings a loser's mentality. :boo
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2018, 07:42:12 AM
QuoteEagles created $5.407M in cap space in 2018 by converting $7.21M of TE Zach Ertz's $8M base salary into a fully guaranteed roster bonus.
Have a feeling Howie has something in the pipeline.
who is left that they could even get? i guess this is for extending graham and some small depth moves like adding a 2nd tight end or 4th wr like maclin.
I could actually see Maclin coming back on a reasonable deal, but if he did I think he'd be starting outside.
If they actually had $ I'd think the most useful player for them to add would be Mathieu. Not going to happen but to answer MDS' question.
Maclin or another vet WR, whoever's the cheapest. There are plenty of options.
Other needs: cheap backup TE, again, there are a lot of options
LB depth
OL depth
comprehensive list of FA's
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/77018/309/2018-nfl-free-agent-tracker
Suh on a one year deal? Who knows. Ngata might roll back to Detroit
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 15, 2018, 10:12:59 AM
If they actually had $ I'd think the most useful player for them to add would be Mathieu. Not going to happen but to answer MDS' question.
I mean, he'd have to be CHEAP. He just doesn't have the speed anymore, and he never really had the size. He's kind of a guy without a position now after the injuries.
Vinny Curry is still an Eagle. Pretty sure that's going to be another source of cap room in the near future.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 15, 2018, 10:19:37 AM
Vinny Curry is still an Eagle. Pretty sure that's going to be another source of cap room in the near future.
June 1st cut, they'll save $9 million in cap space rather than $5 million. I'm surprised they approached him about restructuring his deal, maybe it was so it made it easier to trade him but there's an influx of DE's on the roster so him and his agent have to know he's on his way out.
Quote from: AO1 on March 15, 2018, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 15, 2018, 10:19:37 AM
Vinny Curry is still an Eagle. Pretty sure that's going to be another source of cap room in the near future.
June 1st cut, they'll save $9 million in cap space rather than $5 million. I'm surprised they approached him about restructuring his deal, maybe it was so it made it easier to trade him but there's an influx of DE's on the roster so him and his agent have to know he's on his way out.
if the eagles asked for a restructure then its because they wanna keep him....no player is making it easier to get traded....your goal as a player is to hit the open market
also you can designate two players as june first cuts and cut them whenever you want...you dont have to actually wait until june 1
Graham/Barnett/Long/Bennett/Curry...way too many DE's. Keeping him on the roster for any reason is dumb at this point. Unless they're planning on putting him in the DT rotation which somewhat makes sense since he doesn't get pressure on QBs like the other 4 players on the roster do.
keeping curry only makes sense if long isn't coming back.
Quote from: hunt on March 15, 2018, 11:46:38 AM
keeping curry only makes sense if long isn't coming back.
I'd much rather keep Long, he's a much better pass rusher and he's $9 million cheaper
Quote from: AO1 on March 15, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
Graham/Barnett/Long/Bennett/Curry...way too many DE's. Keeping him on the roster for any reason is dumb at this point. Unless they're planning on putting him in the DT rotation which somewhat makes sense since he doesn't get pressure on QBs like the other 4 players on the roster do.
im not saying they are definitely keeping curry...i think hes most likely gone but its a money thing not a too many lineman thing
roster wise allen is gone and bennett is in...right now its a zero sum personnel wise
Quote from: AO1 on March 15, 2018, 11:50:05 AM
Quote from: hunt on March 15, 2018, 11:46:38 AM
keeping curry only makes sense if long isn't coming back.
I'd much rather keep Long, he's a much better pass rusher and he's $9 million cheaper
agreed...for 1 season.
but if graham bolts after this season, i might find myself wishing they had kept curry. :-D
too many moving pieces...let howie figure it out.
cant argue the money factor but i disagree that chris long is a better pass rusher than vinny curry
curry led the team in pressures...granted he played a few more snaps than long but thats because hes better...also long had the benefit of an inordinate amount of his snaps being obvious passing downs where he could go wide 9 and just let loose
Curry provides pressure up the middle, if they're keeping him because he's a great 3rd down DT then whatever I understand the move. Long off the edge is perfect for what they need and he's cheap. Look test 'pressure' yes Curry gets more pressure, but he's an inside rusher where as Long is strictly an edge rusher. Really I don't care either way, they rotate their D line so much.
As for Graham...I'm conflicted on signing him to an extension. On the one hand he's a damn good player, on the other hand he'll be 30 once the season starts. He wants to get caked off. If I'm Howie I let him play out the season on his current deal then re-evaluate the situation next offseason.
the vast majority of currys snaps come from the RDE spot...he doesnt play inside that much at all...it was almost exclusively him and barnett on that side this year
Not really in favor of Maclin. With the cap situation, at some point in churning the roster you have to give young cheap guys more of a look. Maybe let Hollins have more of a shot. If they are looking to replace the field stretching speed of Torrey Smith, which they should, Shelton Gibson put up eye popping numbers at West VA, 22 ypr. Supposedly he's fast as lightening but had a bad combine. Treggs should probably get another look as well, and they get either for peanuts. If the above don't pan out you can probably still get a guy like Maclin. Getting another TE that can catch is probably more of a priority.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2018, 12:42:39 PM
the vast majority of currys snaps come from the RDE spot...he doesnt play inside that much at all...it was almost exclusively him and barnett on that side this year
I'm talking about when he does get pressure even from the DE spot it's generated from the inside whereas Long is more of an edge rusher.
I don't agree. Curry gets around guys too, not just under them.
For me, his value is in his surprising toughness against the run. He doesn't get a lot of sacks, but he does disrupt things a lot, making plays different than the offense wishes them to be, and when it's a run, he's not a liability.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 15, 2018, 02:16:15 PM
Not really in favor of Maclin. With the cap situation, at some point in churning the roster you have to give young cheap guys more of a look. Maybe let Hollins have more of a shot. If they are looking to replace the field stretching speed of Torrey Smith, which they should, Shelton Gibson put up eye popping numbers at West VA, 22 ypr. Supposedly he's fast as lightening but had a bad combine. Treggs should probably get another look as well, and they get either for peanuts. If the above don't pan out you can probably still get a guy like Maclin. Getting another TE that can catch is probably more of a priority.
My only concern with Maclin is that health has always been an issue with him. I loved him coming out of college and was thrilled when the Eagles drafted him. He's better than Smith no doubt, but you're probably only going to get him for 75-80% of the season.
That said, if it's a cheap veteran deal then sure, why not?
farg Maclin. The Eagles are the new patriots; you don't need a name unless that name is Randy Moss. Hollins should be forced to step up a la Alghoror Edelman.
Maclin took the money and farging ran, or make that limped, to KC. Then he chose money again in Bodymore. Bring his ass back to Philly on a vet minimum deal and then make him push a sled all over NovaCare. Then cut him on Turk day in August.
what an idiot going to play for a coach he loved and getting caked off...worst move ever
I didn't realize that bitterness about Mack was a thing until now.
Tough to believe he's still in his 20s (for a couple more months). He looked 50 when he was 20.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 15, 2018, 06:22:21 PM
My only concern with Maclin is that health has always been an issue with him.
Remember when he had AIDS for a while?
That jerk quit on Chip Kelly. How dare he!
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 16, 2018, 11:36:20 AM
I didn't realize that bitterness about Mack was a thing until now.
literally romey is the only person ive seen espouse this viewpoint
It's not. I was joking. Jesus you bitches are high strung.
jesus said keep his name out ya mouth.
Quote from: smeags on March 16, 2018, 11:53:20 AM
jesus said keep his name out ya mouth.
Does he prefer senor or amigo?
Oui?
Curry's getting cut per Mike Garafalo
Done deal. $5M of new cap space.
So here's how the team has changed since the SB. Not counting last year's camp bodies and Eagles practice squaders, some of whom are still around (including the new starting punter Cameron Johnston).
Added:
Michael Bennett
Daryl Worley
Corey Nelson
Haloti Ngata
Mike Wallace
Paul Worrilow
Richard Rodgers
Dallas Goedert
Avonte Maddox
Josh Sweat
Matt Pryor
Jordan Mailata
Markus Wheaton
Joe Callahan
Matt Jones
Joshua Perkins
Marquess Wilson
Retained:
Nigel Bradham
Darren Sproles
Gone:
Torrey Smith
Beau Allen
Trey Burton
Patrick Robinson
LeGarrette Blount
Caleb Sturgis
Marcus Johnson
Vinny Curry
Jaylen Watkins
Najee Goode
Kenjon Barner
Mychal Kendricks
Free agents:
Will Beatty
Bryan Braman
Dannell Ellerbe
Corey Graham
Brent Celek
Donnie Jones (unretired)
UDFAs:
Josh Adams
Asantay Brown
Aaron Evans
Danny Ezechukwu
Bruce Hector
Anthony Mahoungou
Ryan Neal
Joe Ostman
Ian Park
Jeremy Reaves
LaRoy Reynolds
Stephen Roberts
Chandon Sullivan
Toby Weathersby
Kyle Wilson
Tim Wilson
At a glance I'd say right now they would be lucky to eek out one or two late comp pics.
Marquette King is now available. Apparently he's a pain in the ass.
The Eagles need a punter. King is a good punter.
By cutting him they cleared all of $2.9M in cap room, so it's not that. He's definitely got a personality going on, so maybe Gruden wants guys who are all business out there? He's a top give punter, so yeah, GET.
I have a hard time seeing how a punter could disrupt a locker room run by the likes of Jason Peters, Fletcher Cox, and Malcolm Jenkins.
guess what you can do if a punter is a locker room problem
Punt him?
Wedgie?
Kick off the team
1 year deal with Paul Worrilow, LB from the Lions. Another cheap rotational LB/special teamer.
he doesnt get his own thread?
You mean not Worrithy of his own thread?
Quote from: Rome on April 03, 2018, 01:46:54 PM
You mean not Worrithy of his own thread?
:cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 17, 2018, 01:04:17 AM
So I think this is where they stand.
Added:
Michael Bennett
Daryl Worley
Corey Nelson
Haloti Ngata
Mike Wallace
Paul Worrilow
Richard Rodgers
Retained:
Nigel Bradham
Gone:
Torrey Smith
Beau Allen
Trey Burton
Patrick Robinson
LeGarrette Blount
Caleb Sturgis
Marcus Johnson
Vinny Curry
Jaylen Watkins
Najee Goode
Free agents:
Will Beatty
Kenjon Barner
Bryan Braman
Dannell Ellerbe
Corey Graham
Darren Sproles
Brent Celek
Donnie Jones (unretired)
Updated with recent moves.
so my tickets only went up $5/seat this year. was really expecting a much bigger jump. i imagine they are just greasing it up this year before ramming it in next year but cool with me.
not my cup of tea as i dont really like any of the new stuff but when it comes to it this is about as good as it gets and if you do like the new stuff this seems really dope
eagles official draft cap
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dalm-_VW4AEYw8M.jpg)
They're all pretty bad, but at least it isn't the Do Your Job hat the Pats got.
Did anyone get an email about getting pictures with the Lombardi? I got one a few weeks ago saying they are scheduling them in groups for season ticket holders but then never got a follow up.
Doubt I will bother anyway but just curious.
SD got his according to facebook.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 18, 2018, 12:34:06 PM
Did anyone get an email about getting pictures with the Lombardi? I got one a few weeks ago saying they are scheduling them in groups for season ticket holders but then never got a follow up.
Doubt I will bother anyway but just curious.
i got one
to each his/her own but i personally cant think of anything sillier than a fan getting their picture with a dumb trophy
excuse me
we're taking a family photo and it's going on facebook
actually now that i think about it maybe i didnt get the real one and only got the initial email matty is talking about....to be honest i didnt really read it
I'd take that pic any day you silly iceholes.
you wouldnt get its autograph but you know how easy it would be to photoshop yourself into a pic with the lombardi trophy
If they're not going to let you hold it up at crotch level like a giant metal penis then what's even the point?
Glad Eagles find a way with their cap to say thanks to Foles
Quote...a revised contract with the Eagles has come to fruition. Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports that the team has reached a new deal with Foles that includes a mutual option for the 2019 season.
Garafolo's colleague Ian Rapoport reports that the revised contract includes a $2 million signing bonus and millions more in incentives that Foles could reach if he finds himself back in the starting job this year. Garafolo adds that the Eagles don't foresee that happening and believe Carson Wentz will be good to go for the regular season, but Foles now gets more money off of last year's work and a better chance to cash in come 2019 as a starter somewhere in the league.
honest question here...something ive thought about a million times....this goes for any team in the league obviously but ill use foles as an example....if the eagles wanted to reward him as they should for the sb but not hurt their cap whats stopping them from just giving him 5 million bucks in cash....or having a third party in the cayman islands cut him a check for five million
in other words does the nfl have an IRS wing where they could find out about under the table payments
The Super Bowl winning Broncos from the late 90s actually did that. Years later they got hit with some relatively minor fines and losses of draft picks. There's somewhat of an understanding that it would be a bigger deal now.
I don't think the NFL audits the books regularly, but if someone leaks something or there is reason for suspicion, the CBA calls for third party investigators and arbitrators. It would end badly for all involved, and potentially reveal criminal behavior too depending on the nature of the scheme. So I think it's basically fear of being found out that keeps teams in line.
my guess is that it happens all the time and once every 20 years someone gets caught
There's really not a need to be that risky, because the Eagles can just line up partner sponsorships for their guys and basically facilitate them getting paid without directly paying them.
same thing....maybe a sponser is paying them....or christina lurie is....or a hollywood producer friend of luries
if the nfl has no system to stop this and the only way to get caught is if someone sings then its definitely happening all the time
Didn't Jerry Jones do this with Pepsi and Neon Deion?
the 49ers did it with jerry rice and maybe a few others
remember, its only cheating when youre caught
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 20, 2018, 09:57:39 PM
There's really not a need to be that risky, because the Eagles can just line up partner sponsorships for their guys and basically facilitate them getting paid without directly paying them.
Bingo.
finally got my email about getting pics with lombardi trophy.
they gave me three different dates in may as options and emphasized in bold that I must bring my own camera or phone to get the picture. that made me laugh.
So I guess the White House visit is off.
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/988536396506914816 (https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/988536396506914816)
Another reason to love this team. farg Trump.
I love that the author is quoting JEffery Lurie saying "don't quote me" lol.
Trump is a vindictive baby who attacked the NFL because he's still sour he was kept out of the club because nobody farging likes him. And he's a racist POS and the players should have no interest in going.
Or really what they should do is go and then farging kneel or something. Embarrass his ass on national TV.
If they wanted to embarrass him they'd go meet with Obama.
Or Putin
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/988375858455941121
https://twitter.com/bbrooks_79/status/988394397451653120
thats adorable.
so nice of him to take 8 million over the next four months instead of eight
Kendricks ended up with the Browns.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 17, 2018, 01:04:17 AM
So here's how the team has changed since the SB. Not counting last year's camp bodies and Eagles practice squaders, some of whom are still around (including the new starting punter Cameron Johnston).
Added:
Michael Bennett
Daryl Worley
Corey Nelson
Haloti Ngata
Mike Wallace
Paul Worrilow
Richard Rodgers
Dallas Goedert
Avonte Maddox
Josh Sweat
Matt Pryor
Jordan Mailata
Markus Wheaton
Joe Callahan
Matt Jones
Joshua Perkins
Marquess Wilson
Retained:
Nigel Bradham
Darren Sproles
Gone:
Torrey Smith
Beau Allen
Trey Burton
Patrick Robinson
LeGarrette Blount
Caleb Sturgis
Marcus Johnson
Vinny Curry
Jaylen Watkins
Najee Goode
Kenjon Barner
Mychal Kendricks
Free agents:
Will Beatty
Bryan Braman
Dannell Ellerbe
Corey Graham
Brent Celek
Donnie Jones (unretired)
UDFAs:
Josh Adams
Asantay Brown
Aaron Evans
Danny Ezechukwu
Bruce Hector
Anthony Mahoungou
Ryan Neal
Joe Ostman
Ian Park
Jeremy Reaves
LaRoy Reynolds
Stephen Roberts
Chandon Sullivan
Toby Weathersby
Kyle Wilson
Tim Wilson
QuoteEagles OL coach Jeff Stoutland on 36-year-old LT Jason Peters: "He just has this drive to him. He has it now more than than I've ever seen since I got here. He's on a mission from God right now.''
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2018, 08:03:29 AM
QuoteEagles OL coach Jeff Stoutland on 36-year-old LT Jason Peters: "He just has this drive to him. He has it now more than than I've ever seen since I got here. He's on a mission from God right now.''
(https://media.tenor.com/images/d70aece11e279a3c06915955b0a2e4de/raw)
One of the beat reporters reported yesterday Peters looks like he could go out and dominate in a game right now.