The 'Mass-Shooting In The US' thread

[MDS]

we cant have a gun debate in this country because of the far right

Wrong.  We can't have a debate, much less better control over guns, because what passes for the left in this country loves their guns almost as much as the whacko right. 

Americans love guns more than children.

americans are stupid and over react to anything. the right has turned gun control into gun ban like they turned pro choice into pro death.

very few are for a gun ban. i am not. i am just for unbelievably strict rules for obtaining a gun...significant background checks, home visits, interviews with co workers and friends, up the funhole taxation, etc. you want a gun you better be willing to pay for it.

of course there will still be a black market for them but many do not know how to traverse that and it could limit crimes

[Diomedes]

riffing on MDS

yes
strict rules for obtaining a gun, to include demostration of ability to use one safely, with regular practical tests as part of license renewal
significant background checks, home visits, interviews with co workers and friends
long long term prison time for breaking gun laws, as I've harped on about before
outright ban on assault rifes, machine guns, etc.


no
up the funhole taxation, etc. you want a gun you better be willing to pay for it.

Poor people can't be kept out of the club on account of prohibitive taxation.

[MDS]

decent point

maybe a slight tax increase on the consumer and a large one on the retailer. casino owners are charged damn near 50 percent on winnings. they pay it. they make money.

gun shop owners can do the same.

[Diomedes]

damn straight.

One huge problem is what to do about people with criminal records.  Vast numbers of them should be eligible to be considered, but that point is far too nuanced for most people. 

[reese125]

how dare you guys discuss gun laws during the 48 hr grieving period

[Diomedes]

In 80% of mass shootings since 1970, the guns were obtained legally.

[Munson]

Ugh. Really sucky turning on the TV and seeing this after spending my day with classrooms full of little children.

[MDS]

damn straight.

One huge problem is what to do about people with criminal records.  Vast numbers of them should be eligible to be considered, but that point is far too nuanced for most people.

Those people can't even vote. Them owning guns isnt that important to me.

[Diomedes]

In a society that criminalizes a lot of the things that poor people do, I'm not down with making a criminal record an up or down vote on your worth to society generally.

A guy with violent crimes is different from a guy who had a DUI.  You can't just keep them all out upon the advent of actual gun control.

Also, felons should be able to vote after they get out of jail.

[Diomedes]

[PhillyPhreak54]

Jesus leave it to Fox news. Unreal.

BTW - the kid has his brothers ID on him. According to the NYP the brother said he hadn't seen the offending brother in two years and he had autism and aspergers

[Rome]

Not even a hint of irony either.  Gotta love Fox.

Seriously, though... everyone is unbearable today.  From the bleeding hearts to the crazies who insist that guns will never be pried from their cold, dead fingers.

[Munson]

It's from twitter, so take it as you will...though apparently Twitter said cops had identified it as evidence. Story going around is a kid wrote it while the shootings were going on.

I'm just going to hope it's fake.

[Sgt PSN]

I'm pro gun ownership but days like today leave me soul sick.

Maybe there is no alternative but a 100% ban.

Don't know.  I feel so bad for those families.  Ugh...

It seriously does make you at least question if you're standing on the wrong side of the argument.  If something like this can happen and you still don't even let a shred of doubt enter your mind about whether or not gun laws should be dramatically changed, then you just don't have a soul or a conscience. 

In the end, I'm still going to be pro-gun.  But damn if shtein like this doesn't make me want to get rid of them completely. 

[Diomedes]

I'm just going to hope it's fake.

If that's real it's private family business.  I wish I hadn't seen it regardless.