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Title: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 20, 2016, 08:55:39 AM
From Les Bowen (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1so74ic):

QuoteThe only thing I haven't done is hold the Super Bowl trophy. That consumes me. I would want nothing more than to see Mr. Lurie hold that trophy. To see that trophy in the front of a parade in the city of Philadelphia.

I grew up in Baltimore, 90 miles from here. I have dozens of college friends from Georgetown that live and die with the Philadelphia Eagles. I know how much it would mean to them. And that would give me the most satisfaction...
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on January 20, 2016, 09:19:08 AM
told you he was going to be awesome

he grew up literally five minutes from where i live now...go to a local pub there all the time that he frequents when hes home
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: phattymatty on January 20, 2016, 10:58:08 AM
The Pedersen coaching tree is blossoming.

Still weird or maybe sad that a guy we all made fun of for years is now the head coach.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: smeags on January 20, 2016, 11:25:05 AM
Please no wide 9
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on January 20, 2016, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: smeags on January 20, 2016, 11:25:05 AM
Please no wide 9

Pederson already told Spads yesterday that the Eagles will be running the wide 9. He tried to play it off as different from the one the team ran a few years ago. Whatever.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: smeags on January 20, 2016, 12:04:54 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 20, 2016, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: smeags on January 20, 2016, 11:25:05 AM
Please no wide 9

Pederson already told Spads yesterday that the Eagles will be running the wide 9. He tried to play it off as different from the one the team ran a few years ago. Whatever.

Oh that's just dandy. Hopefully this version won't suck.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 12:06:05 PM
Get Babin?
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on January 20, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
theres not a 4-3 team in the nfl that doesn't run a wide 9 at times
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: smeags on January 20, 2016, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 12:06:05 PM
Get Babin?

In
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: hunt on January 20, 2016, 12:50:43 PM
aren't schwartz' defenses historically poor against the run?  thought i heard that somewhere but i'm too lazy to look it up to confirm.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on January 20, 2016, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: hunt on January 20, 2016, 12:50:43 PM
aren't schwartz' defenses historically poor against the run?  thought i heard that somewhere but i'm too lazy to look it up to confirm.

as a DC he had one really bad year where I think they were last...but six different times he was top 5 in rush yards ....where his run d hasn't been nearly as good is in yards per attempt

also I guess because he wasn't as attentive to the specifics of the defense as a HC his run defenses were not nearly as successful

obviously tho so many factors go into your overall ranking in any statistic that its almost impossible to make a blanket statement about most coordinators...cept billy davis whose defenses have universally sucked
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on January 20, 2016, 01:07:48 PM
Schwartz said in an interview yesterday that he doesn't really care about giving up yards, he prioritizes things like third down stops, red zone, sacks, turnovers.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Rome on January 20, 2016, 01:17:06 PM
I don't know why they just didn't hire this guy. 
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: smeags on January 20, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
Did he mention points ?
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: hunt on January 20, 2016, 01:24:38 PM
alright...i looked it up.  all his def rankings are here:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/initial-look-eagles-defensive-coordinator-candidate-jim-schwartz/

Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on January 20, 2016, 01:28:57 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 20, 2016, 01:07:48 PM
he doesn't really care about giving up yards, he prioritizes things like third down stops, red zone, sacks, turnovers.

lurie isn't just trying to go back to andy thru Pederson he also hired the ghost of jim johnson
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: smeags on January 20, 2016, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: hunt on January 20, 2016, 01:24:38 PM
alright...i looked it up.  all his def rankings are here:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/initial-look-eagles-defensive-coordinator-candidate-jim-schwartz/



Hmmmm, not so great on points
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 01:39:37 PM
Or against the pass...only twice have his defenses finished in the top 10 against the pass...which probably explains why his defenses give up a ton of points.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 20, 2016, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 20, 2016, 01:07:48 PM
Schwartz said in an interview yesterday that he doesn't really care about giving up yards, he prioritizes things like third down stops, red zone, sacks, turnovers.

He also said that you don't force one scheme on players, and that you use different schemes at different times. Sounds a little like what JJ used to do. I like that Schwartz is an attacking defense guy. If it plays out that way, it should be popular with the fan base.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 01:42:41 PM
Unless the Eagles are able to replicate a couple of the mid/late 80s drafts when they were picking up defensive gems, I have a hard time feeling like he's going to have a consistently good, much less a dominant defense. For now, I'll just be happy that he isn't Billy Davis.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on January 20, 2016, 01:44:09 PM
im just glad he isn't a moron like pederson and will be a good quote

Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
He does seem to have that going for him.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: smeags on January 20, 2016, 01:46:48 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 01:42:41 PM
For now, I'll just be happy that he isn't Billy Davis.

Baby steps.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Eagaholic on January 20, 2016, 01:56:16 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2016, 01:39:37 PM
Or against the pass...only twice have his defenses finished in the top 10 against the pass...which probably explains why his defenses give up a ton of points.
That's not good considering using a lot of wide nine is supposed to make the D better against the pass at the expense of the run. As I remember though, Buddy often had Clyde Simmons in a 9 technique so there's nothing inherently wrong with it. They need to get a couple of HOFers though.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on January 20, 2016, 02:05:42 PM
He's been a perfectly fine DC as long as I can remember hearing his name. Not worried about his performance. Better him than Billy Davis or Spags.

I thought he was a disaster as a HC (for reasons that shouldn't really manifest themselves while he's in an assistant role), but due to lack of head coaching talent it seems like people think he will get another shot. So he could be a one season rental. The potential for that lack of stability bothers me more than anything in Schwartz's record does.

And yeah, I think he'll be good with the media here. He's the kind of icehole who loves the back and forth.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 20, 2016, 02:27:52 PM
Like a bunch of other coordinators in the league, he seems like a good example of the Peter Principle.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Diomedes on January 20, 2016, 06:39:50 PM
Had to look it up.  Can't be the only one, so here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

The Peter principle is a concept in management theory formulated by Laurence J. Peter in which the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence."
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 20, 2016, 08:03:26 PM
Schwartz is a good hire.  You're welcome for that great insight.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 20, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2016, 06:39:50 PM
"managers rise to the level of their incompetence."

That's the pessimistic side of it. I like to think of a corollary where the next step is that once they fail, they drop to their last point of competent work. We see so many coordinators rise up to become head coaches, where they suck...and then they go back to the coordinator role and flourish.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: DougieFresh on February 08, 2016, 10:45:34 PM
This was a good hire.

I believe that the Eagles should have hire Wade Phillips to replace Billy Davis two years ago, though.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Don Ho on February 09, 2016, 02:35:14 AM
Ok, sure.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on July 22, 2016, 08:57:53 AM
(http://media.philly.com/images/1200*800/ecamp22b_3x2.jpg)
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Rome on July 22, 2016, 09:39:52 AM
What the farg   
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: General_Failure on July 22, 2016, 09:51:35 AM
I'm not judging, I'm just saying maybe wash it before it grows mold.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: smeags on July 22, 2016, 10:20:46 AM
did igy do a tribute pic for jimmay ?
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 22, 2016, 12:26:26 PM
lolol
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2016, 08:09:18 PM
http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/18086/eagles-defensive-coordinator-jim-schwartz-holds-open-forum-on-kaepernick-social-issues

That's a good read. Take note of the players, Means in particular, responses.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: General_Failure on August 29, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
Players are gonna look awful silly not standing up for the anthem during the entire month they're covered in zesty camo-merch.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Diomedes on August 29, 2016, 09:34:22 PM
I'm relieved to open this bumped thread and not find an article about a DUI, or a heart attack.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 29, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
Players are gonna look awful silly not standing up for the anthem during the entire month they're covered in zesty camo-merch.

Maybe then it'll come to light the NFL actually charges the armed services to honor them
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2016, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on August 29, 2016, 09:34:22 PM
I'm relieved to open this bumped thread and not find an article about a DUI, or a heart attack.

Everything in one place for you, buddy
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: General_Failure on August 29, 2016, 10:08:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 29, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
Players are gonna look awful silly not standing up for the anthem during the entire month they're covered in zesty camo-merch.

Maybe then it'll come to light the NFL actually charges the armed services to honor them

I mean, it isn't like the military wouldn't spend money on stupid shtein.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on October 06, 2016, 11:49:02 AM
scwartzie on FIRE today

re: nigel bradham "you do dumbass things, pretty soon, youre going to be labeled as a dumbass."
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 06, 2016, 12:15:02 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2016, 02:28:08 PM
That's funny. Good for him.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on October 06, 2016, 03:26:12 PM
Please stay in Philly, Jim. We love iceholes like you.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on December 31, 2017, 01:24:52 AM
Interviewing for the Giants job next week.

:puke
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on December 31, 2017, 09:12:09 AM
I told you all months ago the staff is gone get raped

Doug is gonna get exposed
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: SD on December 31, 2017, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2017, 09:12:09 AM
I told you all months ago the staff is gone get raped

Doug is gonna get exposed

Doubtful. There are some good dc's on the market. Doug runs the offense and calls the plays, I doubt Reich leaving would make a big difference. I'm not sure why a team would want Schwartz, he already failed once as a HC, I don't see being an effective HC a second time around, some coaches (Wade Phillips for example) are great coordinators but can't run a team. I'd rather keep Schwartz as I feel the defensive personnel is tailored to his system but once CB is shored up any decent dc could do a good job. If he's gonna leave I hope he goes to the Giants.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: MDS on December 31, 2017, 10:29:35 AM
schwartz would not be a good fit for the ny media...they will be feuding within seconds and hes not a good enough coach to beat the backpage of the post/dn
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2017, 11:43:16 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2017, 09:12:09 AM
I told you all months ago the staff is gone get raped

Doug is gonna get exposed

lol

Anyways Schwartz and his icehole attitude fits in with Gettleman's. Schefter says he's the front runner so he's prob gone. But they cannot afford to wait too long. There's going to be a lot of openings.

Arians reportedly retiring
Fox will be fired
Pagano will be fired
Giants open
Caldwell reportedly being let go

Also coordinator spots will open up
Cowboys reportedly letting Marinelli go (and Linehan too).
Dean Pees retiring in Baltimore
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on December 31, 2017, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2017, 11:43:16 AM
Also coordinator spots will open up
Cowboys reportedly letting Marinelli go (and Linehan too).
Dean Pees retiring in Baltimore

Capers supposedly (finally) out in GB too. So that's three other prominent franchises looking for a DC without even considering the teams needing whole new coaching staffs.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2017, 11:56:50 AM
Good point on Capers

Fangio could end up in GB

Maybe Teryl Austin takes over for Jim Stoneface as HC in Detroit
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on December 31, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2017, 11:43:16 AMArians reportedly retiring
Fox will be fired
Pagano will be fired
Giants open
Caldwell reportedly being let go

Marv is gonna be gone
Oakland seems out on Del Rio
Vance Joseph is horrible and will probably be fired
No one would blame Cleveland for firing Hue but that team works in mysterious ways

Doesn't seem like there are enough candidates for all these jobs. Don't be surprised if DeFilippo lands a HC job. Teams are gonna gamble looking for the next McVay.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2017, 12:11:15 PM
Agreed on teams looking for the next McVay

I wonder where Josh McDaniels ends up. With all these openings he's gotta be a lock to get another shot
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Don Ho on December 31, 2017, 07:48:13 PM
My God!  So we may have 9 HC vacancies?  Can't recall that many in recent memory.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Don Ho on December 31, 2017, 07:50:39 PM
Del Rio will be gone.  Trojan nation so pissed after their performance against Ohio St., the rumblings are beginning to get Helton out and Del Rio in.  Bad idea.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 01, 2018, 09:52:01 AM
Quote from: AO1 on December 31, 2017, 09:56:06 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2017, 09:12:09 AM
I told you all months ago the staff is gone get raped

Doug is gonna get exposed

Doubtful. There are some good dc's on the market. Doug runs the offense and calls the plays, I doubt Reich leaving would make a big difference. I'm not sure why a team would want Schwartz, he already failed once as a HC, I don't see being an effective HC a second time around, some coaches (Wade Phillips for example) are great coordinators but can't run a team. I'd rather keep Schwartz as I feel the defensive personnel is tailored to his system but once CB is shored up any decent dc could do a good job. If he's gonna leave I hope he goes to the Giants.

This is what I've been saying the last few weeks or so regarding Reich. OC under Pederson (just like Reid) is irrelevant other than to run meetings and practice since Pederson has to spend time with defense and ST, even if it's just to observe.  But the game plan and play calling on game day is all Doug.  Being worried about losing Reich would be like crying about Brad Childress going to Minnesota back in the day.  I'd much rather see Reich go and DiFilippo promoted to OC.

I like Schwartz as a DC and I think I'd prefer him to stay because all in all, the defense has been pretty good (sans week 13-15), but if he goes I feel like the personnel they have on D is strong enough to make it a desirable job for any quality defensive mind.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Tomahawk on January 01, 2018, 10:48:57 PM
Reid needs his OCs more since at some point he's going to hand off pass the play call duties to them
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: MDS on January 06, 2018, 06:45:18 PM
not actually interviewing with the giants...just arizona

me thinks jimbo aint goin nowhere
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2018, 06:54:27 PM
dont know who it was but someone tweeted earlier that todays interview got postponed with the giants but that they were gonna interview him after the eagles are eliminated...aka next sunday

i dont think schwartz gets a job just because who would hire a defensive coach in todays nfl and especially when if you are a coachless team it may mean you are going to draft a qb in the near future to build around

i think everyone is looking for the next sean mccvay/kyle shanahan right now....not an old school 51 year old DC....its the only reason difilipo is getting interviews
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: SD on January 06, 2018, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 06, 2018, 06:45:18 PM
not actually interviewing with the giants...just arizona

me thinks jimbo aint goin nowhere

Nobody wants a retread who was as bad as Schwartz was at HC. Way too many young unknown coordinators teams would rather take a chance on. Some coaches should just accept they're better off as coordinators. That was one of the best attributes of Jim Johnson.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: MDS on January 07, 2018, 12:35:57 AM
jj i recall was close to a job (colts or arizona i believe) but decided he was too old and he was comfortable coaching his guys in philly

if he was 10 years younger hed probably grab it. he got unlucky in that he really hit it big as a dc at the end of his career.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: rjs246 on February 06, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
So we're definitely not going to talk about how the defense gave up over 600 yards and 33 points, right?

The D was such an important part of the season and I was very concerned about losing Schwartz to a hc job somewhere so I'm not hating but that performance was not super inspiring.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: SD on February 06, 2018, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 06, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
So we're definitely not going to talk about how the defense gave up over 600 yards and 33 points, right?

The D was such an important part of the season and I was very concerned about losing Schwartz to a hc job somewhere so I'm not hating but that performance was not super inspiring.

Knocked a motherfarger out - Check
Strip sack of Brady in the clutch - Check
Sueprbowl champs - Check

Not concerned at all
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on February 06, 2018, 09:15:05 AM
Should be okay unless they keep playing Brady and Belichick after a bye week.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 06, 2018, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 06, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
So we're definitely not going to talk about how the defense gave up over 600 yards and 33 points, right?

The D was such an important part of the season and I was very concerned about losing Schwartz to a hc job somewhere so I'm not hating but that performance was not super inspiring.

At least it's not like they gave up 538 yards and 41 points to Nick Foles.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 06, 2018, 11:26:14 AM
As the game was unfolding, nearly every defensive snap is pissing me off because Pats receivers were just running around wide open with no Eagles defenders within 5-10 yards of them.

But that's because the Pats are a dynamic offensive team. Gotta give them some respect and know that it's really farging hard to knock Brady off his game.  So you just need focus on making plays in key moments and the Eagles had a few of them.

1.  Pats opening drive was held to a 26 yd FG.

2.  Pats 2nd drive was another short FG  (missed).  Defense didn't cause the miss, but they again made a stop deep in the red zone.

3.  Knocked out Cooks and forced a turnover on downs at their own 35.

4.  Held for a 45 yd FG.

5. Kept Pats from scoring on final drive of the 1st half.

6.  Strip sack.

They were basically hot garbage all game except for 6 plays, but those 6 plays were the absolute difference makers.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on February 06, 2018, 11:32:24 AM
To me the biggest stat of Schwartz's Defense is that they never allowed a single point At or Under two minutes left in the game all Season.  I believe its the first time ever that's been done, or maybe with a SB Winner. 
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 06, 2018, 11:46:23 AM
I didn't even realize they had done that. That's pretty impressive actually.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Don Ho on February 06, 2018, 01:46:27 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 06, 2018, 11:26:14 AM
As the game was unfolding, nearly every defensive snap is pissing me off because Pats receivers were just running around wide open with no Eagles defenders within 5-10 yards of them.

But that's because the Pats are a dynamic offensive team. Gotta give them some respect and know that it's really farging hard to knock Brady off his game.  So you just need focus on making plays in key moments and the Eagles had a few of them.

1.  Pats opening drive was held to a 26 yd FG.

2.  Pats 2nd drive was another short FG  (missed).  Defense didn't cause the miss, but they again made a stop deep in the red zone.

3.  Knocked out Cooks and forced a turnover on downs at their own 35.

4.  Held for a 45 yd FG.

5. Kept Pats from scoring on final drive of the 1st half.

6.  Strip sack.

They were basically hot garbage all game except for 6 plays, but those 6 plays were the absolute difference makers.

Damn, how true!  Great observations. 
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Diomedes on February 06, 2018, 05:39:00 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 06, 2018, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 06, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
So we're definitely not going to talk about how the defense gave up over 600 yards and 33 points, right?

The D was such an important part of the season and I was very concerned about losing Schwartz to a hc job somewhere so I'm not hating but that performance was not super inspiring.

At least it's not like they gave up 538 yards and 41 points to Nick Foles.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Eagaholic on February 06, 2018, 06:03:22 PM
Yeah, part of me was glad the D didn't look great in a win, I'd like to see Schwartzie around for a while. I think he was a good but underrated influence in the offense as well. Amazing to see people like Algholor go from soft and afraid in traffic to getting chippy and in a dback's face after a hard hit.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on February 12, 2018, 05:46:16 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 06, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
So we're definitely not going to talk about how the defense gave up over 600 yards and 33 points, right?

The D was such an important part of the season and I was very concerned about losing Schwartz to a hc job somewhere so I'm not hating but that performance was not super inspiring.

even tho it was one of the least important things they farged up because the odds of the pats scoring was still almost none letting the pats get in hail mary territory from inside their own ten and 45 seconds left made me the most mad of anything they did all night
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on February 12, 2018, 09:02:22 AM
Brady converting 4th and 10 like it was nothing and then the Eagles letting Gronk get to the sidelines so easily on the next two plays was disgraceful. It you can't tackle the guy, at least make him drag you to the sideline and eat a little clock. And how haunting would Darby dropping the INT have been if the Patriots scored on that hail mary?

The one thing that improved at the end was that the pass rush was having more effect on the last two drives than it did the whole game, once they knew for a fact that Brady was throwing it. They either got to him or hurried him on almost every down. Got to give Brady some props for overcoming it. He was unconscious.

Not sure what the secondary was doing in this game. All the NE receivers looked as open as Diggs did in the NFCCG. Sidney Jones please be good.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 12, 2018, 10:26:20 AM
I think if you go back and watch, the pass rush wasn't terrible in the first half.  They were getting to Brady on a handful of plays, just not bringing him down.  The secondary wasn't holding up their end of the bargain. 

Then in the second half it just completely disappeared until the last two drives.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: SD on February 12, 2018, 10:30:59 AM
On the hail mary at the end Robinson tips it instead of letting it hit the ground, it was in the air for a split second, Amendola dives for the ball but it bounces. That would have been the ultimate nightmare.

Gronk running free at all is a disgrace. I watched a tape breakdown on how to cover Gronk, teams that were most effective put a CB on him and took him off the line so he couldn't run his route and get a head of steam. I understand wanting to cover the deep route but you can't let him open underneath.

Whatever though, they won. I wouldn't change a thing.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: SD on February 12, 2018, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 12, 2018, 10:26:20 AM
I think if you go back and watch, the pass rush wasn't terrible in the first half.  They were getting to Brady on a handful of plays, just not bringing him down.  The secondary wasn't holding up their end of the bargain. 

Then in the second half it just completely disappeared until the last two drives.

Exactly. Brady's still the goat. He knew the defensive formation and knew when to get the ball out and calculated the pass rush with his pass. He took some shots. He did a good job brushing off tackles and avoiding the pass rush. The Pats O line did do a good job messing up the Eagles D line lanes. Cox was one on one a lot of the game and they managed to not block him straight up but to hit him on an angle so he didn't have a direct route to Brady.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2018, 11:55:42 AM
The game plan was obviously to not get beat deep, and for the most part they succeeded. It was a true bend but don't break defense. Pats moved the ball up and down the field, but the defense did what it needed to once the field shortened.

On the Pats 1st 4 possessions:
26 yd FG
Missed 26 yd FG
TO on downs at the 35.
45 yd FG.

The most egregious thing I saw from the defense was the absolutely piss poor tackling on the White touchdown.

And really, I think the only thing that kept the game close was the freak int by NE near the end of the 1st half. It was s first down play, and with the way the offense was moving I have no doubt they still score points on that drive and probably eat a bunch of clock in the process if Jeffrey doesn't bat the ball in the air. 

But ya know what? Who gives a flying farg?  I sure as hell don't. I've spent too many years looking at the what ifs, almosts, and woulda, shoulda, couldas, and bitching about those 1 or 2 plays that needed to be made and never were. 

The way this game unfolded, with offenses doing whatever they wanted, the game was going to be decided by the defense that made just a couple of big plays in critical moments.  Eagles defense made them, Pats didn't. Farg you very much.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 12, 2018, 12:48:50 PM
All I care about...
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Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: Rome on February 12, 2018, 12:53:39 PM
Ha. Word.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on February 12, 2018, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 12, 2018, 11:55:42 AM
The game plan was obviously to not get beat deep, and for the most part they succeeded.

nah...they played very little two deep.....malcolm jenkins was at or near the line most of the game...corey graham played a ton...i dont know the counts but it had to be his most snaps of the year for him....and he was used to mostly double gronk....that was their main goal....to stop gronk

that plus trying to knock their wr's off their routes...they were terrible at that (besides i think patrick robinson on hogan on the hail mary which was hilarious....he smashed him at least 20 yards down the field...any other circumstance but a hail mary and he gets called for PI)...any way the patriots are not a deep threat team...they are all slot receivers...most of what they do is predicated on bradys ridiculous accuracy and timing routes...and especially once cooks went down they were devoid of any deep threats

eagles scheme was correct they just didnt cover well.....but they didnt cover well most of the year....they made up for it with takeaways a good pass rush and great third down defense

eagles defense had the most amazing line youll ever see in any nfl game much less a super bowl

1 turnover
0 sacks
over 5 ypc
50% on third downs
1 penalty for
an absurd 18 ypr
613 total yards allowed

and they won
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: hbionic on February 12, 2018, 01:28:10 PM
We. And 'We' won.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: General_Failure on February 12, 2018, 01:29:22 PM
Draft all DBs, you say?
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: SD on February 12, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2018, 01:23:17 PM
any way the patriots are not a deep threat team...they are all slot receivers.

Cooks is a legitimate deep threat and Brady's hit him deep often. He wasn't feeling well.

Hogan is a deep threat to a lesser extent but Brady's hit him deep throughout the season.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on February 12, 2018, 01:42:55 PM
cooks is one guy not a team and even still hes not a stretch the field guy as much as a yac guy.....hogan is zero deep threat...they are a bunch of slot guys scatting around the field and gronk....cooks just happens to be faster than everyone else

patriots run very little down the field in terms of verticality....its just not their scheme....when they do its usually gronk running down a seam to get everyone else open underneath

put it this way the perfect way to lose to them is to play two deep and try not to get beat over the top
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: SD on February 12, 2018, 01:59:53 PM
Not many teams - if any - live and die by the deep pass. Brady's 8th in the league in passes 40+ yards, Cooks was 2nd in the league in catches over 40 yards. He's definitely not a yac guy. You're going to hate to hear this, but I had him on two fantasy teams, I watched him close this season.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on February 12, 2018, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: AO1 on February 12, 2018, 01:59:53 PM
Brady's 8th in the league in passes 40+ yards, Cooks was 2nd in the league in catches over 40 yards. He's definitely not a yac guy. You're going to hate to hear this, but I had him on two fantasy teams, I watched him close this season.

again even if you think cooks is some sort of monster deep threat we are talking about the patriots as a team...and trying to stop them from beating you deep...of all the teams in the nfl who dont totally suck at the qb position they are at or near the bottom of who you should game plan against to stop the deep ball

40+ yard receptions dont mean you run tons of vertical routes....it includes 15 yard catches that run for another 25

brady also led the league in pass attempts so he probably also leads the league in most 5 yard completions

its why he was first in the nfl in passing yards but tenth in yards per completion...they dont have an offense based on a lot of vertical routes...mostly because they dont have a lot of guys that cant get or scare you vertical....when they had randy moss they were an exception...but that was really it

this is the problem with fantasy and why it should be blown up....people only care about their own player stats and only in a limited scope....basically ignoring things like strategy in the nfl or system or scheme or shtein even team
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: SD on February 12, 2018, 02:56:00 PM
Cooks isn't a yac guy. He's a deep route runner who relies on speed. He's an added dimension the Pats needed which is why they traded a 1st for him. Teams don't live and die by the deep pass, but to say the Pats don't have a deep threat is off.
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: MDS on February 12, 2018, 04:49:55 PM
thats actually why i traded him in fantasy. couldnt stand the boom or bust nature of his game since his production was all predicated on hitting one deep.

FANTASY!
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: ice grillin you on February 12, 2018, 05:35:24 PM
Quote from: AO1 on February 12, 2018, 02:56:00 PM
but to say the Pats don't have a deep threat is off.

yeah they arguably have one
Title: Re: Jim Schwartz, Defensive Coordinator
Post by: QB Eagles on January 07, 2021, 07:50:54 PM
Gone until he's back as the head coach a year from now.

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