Man made global warming is real.

Started by Diomedes, January 23, 2007, 11:37:52 AM

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Diomedes

Climate science data goes back a lot further than the industrial revolution.   There are all kinds of records that show what was going on:  air trapped in ice that's been around forever, tree rings, the ground itself.  This has all been gone over again and again.

And it will continue to be researched and studied.  The consensus theories will be challenged and studied, by honest scientists and deniers alike, and that's fine.  That's what makes science cool.  Unlike religion, it welcomes proof of the contrary, and if some day, somehow people who believe, like SD that current climate science consensus is really just a great big conspiracy of Al Gore sycophants, then time will tell.

I'm convinced that mankind has altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere to such a drastic degree that the world climate has in fact been radically changed.  Most other thinking people happen to be of a similar mind, and that doesn't trouble me at all.  Sometimes, the majority gets it right.



There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

Diomedes

There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

SD

http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/map_makers_admit_greenland_gaffe_1_2077854

QuoteMap-makers admit Greenland gaffe

The 2011 version of the map, left, which incorrectly showed ice-loss

By MARC HORNE
Published on Thursday 26 January 2012 00:38

IT APPEARED to provide incontrovertible proof that global warming was accelerating faster than even the most doom-laden scientists had predicted.

There was considerable alarm when the word's most authoritative atlas printed a map which showed that Greenland was rapidly turning green.

However, experts from around the globe pointed out that the cataclysmic chart had no scientific support and was contradicted by all of the most recent satellite images.

Now the Scottish map-makers responsible for the disappearance of 115,830 square miles of polar ice have admitted publicly they were wrong.

As an act of contrition, The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World cartographers have produced a new map which restores Greenland's ice cover.

Jethro Lennox, senior publishing editor of the £150 tome, insisted lessons would be learned from the episode, which generated headlines around the globe.

The Glasgow-based map-maker said: "We're very disappointed at the way it happened.

"But we are now looking to draw a line under the Greenland controversy and move on."

The latest atlas, which was published in September, showed a reduction in ice cover compared with the previous edition from four years ago.

Accompanying publicity material declared the change represented "concrete evidence" of the effects of global warming, stating: "For the first time the new edition has had to erase 15 per cent of Greenland's permanent ice cover – turning an area the size of the UK and Ireland 'green' and ice-free."

Publishers HarperCollins originally stood by the accuracy of the map but have since admitted to the mistake after the blunder was exposed by scientists.

Mr Lennox said: "After publication of the 13th edition of The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World it became apparent that we had not represented the permanent ice cover in Greenland fully and clearly.

"In failing to do that, this section of the map did not meet the usual high standards of accuracy and reliability that the atlas strives to uphold.

"To correct this, we decided to produce a new, more detailed map using the latest information available."

A new, corrected map of Greenland will be inserted into all remaining copies.

The updated chart was put together after the cartographers consulted experts from the University of Arizona, the University of Bristol, the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland and the Byrd Polar Research Centre.

The editor claimed the newly established links would prevent errors in future.

He said: "We have made some valuable contacts and will be keen to work with them again in the future."

Dr Liz Morris, of the Scott Polar Research Institute in Cambridge, said: "This was a really bad mapping error. If 15 per cent of ice was lost, then sea levels would have risen by one metre, and that hasn't happened."

Munson

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/6353306/Huge-Antarctic-iceberg-set-to-break-away

As long as we're posting every article that does nothing to prove or disprove man-made involvement in global warming
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

SD

QuoteBut Nasa said the calving was part of a natural process for a glacier.

"We are actually now witnessing how it happens and it's very exciting for us," Ice Bridge project scientist Michael Studinger said, when the crack was first surveyed.

"It's part of a natural process but it's pretty exciting to be here and actually observe it while it happens. To my knowledge, no one has flown a lidar instrument [for measurement] over an actively developing rift such as this."

Munson

#890
The calving is a natural process....what's not natural is it happening on this size/scale. An iceberg the size of Manhatten.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

SD

The article doesn't even blame calving on climate change or global warming or whatever other nonsense they're calling it these days. Things like glaciers and pieces of the Earth shift all the time. Ever hear of continental drift?

QuoteMany glaciers terminate at oceans or freshwater lakes which results naturally with the calving of large numbers of icebergs. Calving of Greenland's glaciers produce 12,000 to 15,000 icebergs each year alone.

Seismic activity and changes in water currents contribute to calving.


Munson

You're making my point for me. This thing happens all the time as part of nature. The reason why this one is actually being reported on is because 1. They've never had a real good chance to observe it happen in real time, and 2. The reason for that chance, which is the fact that this is happening on a gigantic scale that allowed them to notice. The size of the ice about to break off is mammoth and nearly unheard of.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

SD

You're right this is the first giant glacier in Earth's history

Munson

You're right humans and their infinite waste couldn't possibly have any effect on the environment and thus, the climate.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

rjs246

Why are you engaging him? Slow learner.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

Rome


ice grillin you

how do you fight people who think the earth is 6000 years old
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Diomedes

There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

Rome

Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2012, 08:03:24 PM
same way you fight Al Queda

bomb them into the stone age (which is their preferred destination to begin with)?

does.  not.  compute.