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Title: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 11:37:52 AM
This needs it's own thread. 

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/23/climate.report.ap/index.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Human-caused global warming is here -- visible in the air, water and melting ice -- and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative global scientific report will warn next week.

"The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak," said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. "The evidence ... is compelling."

Andrew Weaver, a Canadian climate scientist and study co-author, went even further: "This isn't a smoking gun; climate is a batallion of intergalactic smoking missiles."

The first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is being released in Paris next week.

This segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries, includes "a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate," said co-chair Susan Solomon a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report Monday.

That report will feature an "explosion of new data" on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.

Solomon and others wouldn't go into specifics about what the report says.

They said that the 12-page summary for policymakers will be edited in secret word-by-word by governments officials for several days next week and released to the public on February 2. The rest of that first report from scientists will come out months later.

The full report will be issued in four phases over the year, as was the case with the last IPCC report, issued in 2001.

Global warming is "happening now, it's very obvious," said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab. "When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer."

Look for an "iconic statement" -- a simple but strong and unequivocal summary -- on how global warming is now occurring, said one of the authors, Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, also in Boulder.

The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.

An early version of the ever-changing draft report said "observations of coherent warming in the global atmosphere, in the ocean, and in snow and ice now provide stronger joint evidence of warming."

And the early draft adds: "An increasing body of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on other aspects of climate including sea ice, heat waves and other extremes, circulation, storm tracks and precipitation."

The world's global average temperature has risen about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit from 1901 to 2005. The two warmest years on record for the world were 2005 and 1998. Last year was the hottest year on record for the United States.

The report will draw on already published peer-review science. Some recent scientific studies show that temperatures are the hottest in thousands of years, especially during the last 30 years; ice sheets in Greenland in the past couple years have shown a dramatic melting; and sea levels are rising and doing so at a faster rate in the past decade.

Also, the second part of the international climate panel's report -- to be released in April -- will for the first time feature a blockbuster chapter on how global warming is already changing health, species, engineering and food production, said NASA scientist Cynthia Rosenzweig, author of that chapter.

As confident as scientists are about the global warming effects that they've already documented, they are as gloomy about the future and even hotter weather and higher sea level rises.

Predictions for the future of global warming in the report are based on 19 computer models, about twice as many as in the past, Solomon said.

In 2001, the panel said the world's average temperature would increase somewhere between 2.5 and 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit and the sea level would rise between 4 inches and 35 inches by the year 2100. The 2007 report will likely have a smaller range of numbers for both predictions, Pachauri and other scientists said.

The future is bleak, scientists said.

"We have barely started down this path," said chapter co-author Richard Alley of Penn State University.

You may not like Al Gore, but he's right.  Even if you never admit it to anyone, if you have half a brain and you're reading anything other than Exxon/Bush authored press releases, you know it.  Human activity is rapidly heating the earth and the consequences will be dire for all life on earth.  If that means nothing to you money lovers, it's also going to be farging awful for the economy.

Those who claim global warming is not man made, that it's a controversial theory about which the scientific community is conflicted, are uninformed and disingenuous.   Pull your head out of the sand, sell your SUV, and start taking responsibility for your actions.  Your kids will  thank you.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 11:39:13 AM
its more real than god thats for sure
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 11:40:04 AM
Can I keep my Mustang?  
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 23, 2007, 11:42:55 AM
Can I keep my Mustang?  

As long as you promise to take the Italian Horn off the review mirrior, and stop blasting REO Speedwagon.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 11:43:45 AM
Can I keep my Mustang? 

That's the nut, isn't it?  No.  You can't.  Not if you want your grand kids to live in a world where polar bears still live in the wild.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 23, 2007, 11:45:50 AM
Why do you care dio, you dont want to reproduce? 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 11:47:59 AM
Can I keep my Mustang?  

As long as you promise to take the Italian Horn off the review mirrior, and stop blasting REO Speedwagon.

Fine, I'll lose the horn.  But if you think I'm going to stop blasting REO Speedwagon then you must be stuck on the dream weaver train. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 11:50:18 AM
Can I keep my Mustang? 

That's the nut, isn't it?  No.  You can't.  Not if you want your grand kids to live in a world where polar bears still live in the wild.

Look, I've got an SUV and a Mustang sitting in my driveway.  If I sell both then it won't matter what kind of world my kids grow up in because I will be without transportation to take them anywhere. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 11:50:55 AM
Why do you care dio, you dont want to reproduce?

I have a direct stake so long as I'm unlucky enough to share this planet with you idiots.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 23, 2007, 11:51:55 AM
Running the world dry of oil is the best thing the world has going for it. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 11:53:56 AM
Look, I've got an SUV and a Mustang sitting in my driveway.  If I sell both then it won't matter what kind of world my kids grow up in because I will be without transportation to take them anywhere.

Public transportation.  Ever heard of it?  Oh...that's right...the Exxon funded government doesn't fund public transit.  Or trains.  And most of us don't care enough to demand otherwise.  We'd rather drive our Mustangs.

Sell 'em both and get a hybrid SUV.  It's a huge step in the right direction, and you can still have your manly auto.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 11:57:52 AM
Running the world dry of oil is the best thing the world has going for it. 
You forgot coal.  That is being touted as the solution by these idiots, and it's not gonna work.  There's still so much carbon based feul that we can't afford that attitude.  The planet will be an average 10 degrees hotter before we  burn it all up.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 23, 2007, 11:59:20 AM
Dio Public transportation would not work in a country where things are so spread out.  It works in cities for a reason.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 12:00:30 PM
Dio Public transportation would not work in a country where things are so spread out.  It works in cities for a reason.

Bullshtein. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 23, 2007, 12:03:42 PM
Look, I've got an SUV and a Mustang sitting in my driveway.  If I sell both then it won't matter what kind of world my kids grow up in because I will be without transportation to take them anywhere. 

You can get them a GM EV car.
(http://www.evworld.com/archives/testdrives/carpicts/gmev1-lg.jpg)

Chicks will be lining up to get a ride in that bitch.

Seriously though, GM does have a "concept" electric car they are exhibiting. It's called the Volt, gets about the 50MPG when running on gasoline only and 150MPG, when running with battery power. If it were for sale now, I'd farging buy one.

(http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070106/070106_chevrolet_volt_hmed7p.hmedium.jpg)

(http://www.duemotori.com/racingnews/autoimg_queue/9773.jpg)

Or how about a 640 horsepower, all wheel drive Mini Cooper? It'll do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, without sipping any gas doing so.

(http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/2006/Q4/112720061745031146.jpg)


Link to the article on the Mini.
 (http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/12050/pml-flightlink-electric-mini-cooper.html)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on January 23, 2007, 12:07:53 PM
2100? I will be 113. Alright.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 23, 2007, 12:22:58 PM
back in the 70's all the scare monger hype was about Global Cooling, and that an ice age was coming.

PANIC
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 12:25:53 PM
This isn't about scare mongering.  It's about education and changing behavior/policy in order to protect our ability to survive.

Feel free to ignore your responsibilities though, I'm sure it gets in the way of preaching about responsibility.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2007, 12:27:01 PM
People who think that humans can effect enough change to "fix" our planet are delusional, as the uncontrollable environmental factors are a much stronger influence on climate cycles.

People who think the trend of warming is a bunch of hooey are equally wrong.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 23, 2007, 12:32:30 PM
I have a friend who works in renewable energy and I enjoy busting his balls about being a hippy. Part of me busting his balls has always been to argue that global warming is bullshtein. Since I don't like to lose arguments I did a little bit of research a while ago to better argue my point.

ALL of the legitimate, non-politically affiliated research I found shows that this 'trend' in global warming is more severe and more prolonged than any in the planet's history. I've been convinced.

Stupid hippies.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 23, 2007, 12:32:45 PM
This isn't about scare mongering.  It's about education and changing behavior/policy in order to protect our ability to survive.

Feel free to ignore your responsibilities though, I'm sure it gets in the way of preaching about responsibility.

Well i just held in a massive fart. Believe me, it would have risen the global temperature at least half a degree. You can thank me later.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: hbionic on January 23, 2007, 12:33:07 PM
My contribution to the environment is that I recycle everything and anything I can....including the food I eat.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2007, 12:37:28 PM
I wonder if the PSU haters will automatically believe the premise of this thread is bullshtein:

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"We have barely started down this path," said chapter co-author Richard Alley of Penn State University.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 23, 2007, 12:43:05 PM
The genius of George Carlin:

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We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these farging people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the farging planet?

I'm getting tired of that shtein. Tired of that shtein. I'm tired of farging Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a shtein about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are farged. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

We're going away. Pack your shtein, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet's doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet's doing. You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...icehole.

So, the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now. And I think that's begun. Don't you think that's already started? I think, to be fair, the planet sees us as a mild threat. Something to be dealt with. And the planet can defend itself in an organized, collective way, the way a beehive or an ant colony can. A collective defense mechanism. The planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet? How would you defend yourself against this troublesome, pesky species? Let's see... Viruses. Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh...viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed. Perhaps, this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures. Perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus, making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along. And maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction.

Well, that's a poetic note. And it's a start. And I can dream, can't I? See I don't worry about the little things: bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we're part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order. Call it what you want. Know what I call it? The Big Electron. The Big Electron...whoooa. Whoooa. Whoooa. It doesn't punish, it doesn't reward, it doesn't judge at all. It just is. And so are we. For a little while.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 23, 2007, 12:44:14 PM
People who think that humans can effect enough change to "fix" our planet are delusional, as the uncontrollable environmental factors are a much stronger influence on climate cycles.

People who think the trend of warming is a bunch of hooey are equally wrong.

That's pretty much my position. There's no arguing the gradual environmental shifts taking place. But I'd be interested in seeing the actual information that leads to the theories that humanity is the prime cause of it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MURP on January 23, 2007, 01:37:25 PM
Everyone should go rent "An Inconvenient Truth" if they havnt seen it yet.  There is some value in that flick regardless of any politcal nonsense some may try and turn it into.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 01:38:21 PM
No evidence that it's man made. The planet has been warming since the ice age. Humans didn't cause it and they can't stop it. The greenie weenies are trying to use a natural phenomenon to impose their socialist bull crap on the world. No, thanks.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 01:40:04 PM
No evidence, my ass.  A vast greenie weenie conspiracy?  Because getting people to waste less is a huge benchmark of socialism?

No cookie for you.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 02:04:09 PM
There isn't any real evidence. You can point to a rise in CO2 and a rise in global temps but that isn't necessarily a connection between the two. The planets temps are driven by the oceans, mainly the pacific.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2007, 02:04:48 PM
I'll say this much:

Regardless of your view on how much it will do for the future of Earth, conservation of resources is a good idea.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 02:11:29 PM
There isn't any real evidence. You can point to a rise in CO2 and a rise in global temps but that isn't necessarily a connection between the two. The planets temps are driven by the oceans, mainly the pacific.

do you believe in god....because theres infinitely more evidence of global warming than there is god...so if you believe in the almighty perhaps you could open up your eyes look deeper and give global warming a chance
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 23, 2007, 02:13:10 PM
give global warming a chance

John Lennon would be proud, IGY.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 02:14:17 PM
I'll say this much:
Regardless of your view on how much it will do for the future of Earth, conservation of resources is a good idea.

Point of fact, waste is immoral.  Or if morality doesn't make sense to you, it's deeply impractical.  In the U.S., waste is considered a status symbol and a right to those who can "afford" it, but the chickens are coming home to roost. 

Stop wasting!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 02:24:53 PM
There are many arguments for the wisdom of conservation. That doesn't mean that scare tactics should be used to convince people that they can reverse a natural climate change by, in effect, lowering their standard of living.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 02:26:25 PM
1000 years

(http://whyfiles.org/211warm_arctic/images/1000yr_change.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
350,000 years

(http://www.killerinourmidst.com/grafix/Rahmstorf.gif)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 02:29:03 PM
http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/2000yearsCO2large.png

image too big. sorry.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 23, 2007, 02:30:47 PM
There isn't any real evidence. You can point to a rise in CO2 and a rise in global temps but that isn't necessarily a connection between the two. The planets temps are driven by the oceans, mainly the pacific.

do you believe in god....because theres infinitely more evidence of global warming than there is god...so if you believe in the almighty perhaps you could open up your eyes look deeper and give global warming a chance

I don't think he's arguing that global warming doesn't exist. He's saying that there's no evidence that it's man made.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 23, 2007, 02:32:27 PM
350,000 years

(http://www.killerinourmidst.com/grafix/Rahmstorf.gif)

This one seems to imply a cyclical pattern.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 02:33:20 PM
Sure, except for that red line at the end, representing the increase since the industrial revolution.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 23, 2007, 02:33:42 PM
I don't think he's arguing that global warming doesn't exist. He's saying that there's no evidence that it's man made.

either way my question remains the same
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 23, 2007, 02:35:27 PM
i wonder who kept the temperature logs 300,000 years ago.

Of course, does any of the sources talk about the increase of volcanic activity caused by the techtonic plates constantly shifting, therefor creating more "escapes" for the CO2 emmissions as part of this? Or is 350,000 years of global warming solely caused by the old styrofoam big mac containers?

Add on top of that, that the earth is constantly expanding on it's own. And then periods of solar activity too, with an also slowly expanding sun. Both of these also cause the earth's orbit to change. Even the slightest change can cause what we would see as a big shift in temperature.

But forget all of that, let's blame it on aquanet and ford explorers.

I just did my part again, i finished a bottle of iced tea, and instead of throwing the bottle away, I ate it.

mmmm...crunchy glass
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 02:45:00 PM
i wonder who kept the temperature logs 300,000 years ago.

oxygen.  trapped in ice that was frozen then and is still (for the moment) frozen today.  they drill cores out of and analyze the trapped oxygen.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 02:48:25 PM
There isn't any real evidence. You can point to a rise in CO2 and a rise in global temps but that isn't necessarily a connection between the two. The planets temps are driven by the oceans, mainly the pacific.

do you believe in god....because theres infinitely more evidence of global warming than there is god...so if you believe in the almighty perhaps you could open up your eyes look deeper and give global warming a chance

I believe there is a God and I believe the planet is warming. That doesn't mean that made made CO2 is the main cause of the warming. Warm ocean water is causing the warming. The oceans warm because of factors way beyond human control. It makes no sense to reorder the lives of untold millions on the mistaken hunch, and that's all it is, that if we just consume less fossil fuel, the planet will reverse it warming trend. In reality, the forces causing the global warming are deep within the Earth's core. Sorry, this thing is above our pay grade.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 23, 2007, 03:30:34 PM
The planet is warming at an exponential rate, previously unseen in Earth's history, almost exactly in parallel with the industrialization of the human populace. But no, there isn't any real evidence.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 03:55:19 PM
The planet is warming at an exponential rate, previously unseen in Earth's history, almost exactly in parallel with the industrialization of the human populace. But no, there isn't any real evidence.

Parallels are interesting but they alone don't provide sufficient evidence of cause and effect. You need more. The recent drop in oil prices almost directly parallel the trade of Allen Iverson to the Nuggets. When he left town, the prices dropped. Maybe if we trade McNabb to the Broncos, the price of gas would be a dollar. Maybe not.

CO2 isn't causing warming. The Pacific ocean is causing warming. The Pacific ocean warming causes El Nino and El Nino is the main driving force behind the melting of the ice caps. Unless the Al Gore alarmists can figure out a way to cool the Pacific ocean, it's a waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 23, 2007, 03:59:59 PM
The Pacific Ocean just decided to start warming up on its own. Got it.

Feel free to re-bury your head in the sand.

By the way, I don't believe for a second that there's anything anyone can do about this. It isn't going to stop me from leaving my computer on at night, or buying an SUV if I ever have kids, or throwing lit cigarettes out the car window into piles of dry leaves on protected wildlife reserves. I'm just saying that everything points to this being the fault of humans. And none of your 'well all of that circumstantial evidence doesn't prove anything' nonsense is going to change that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 04:02:16 PM
Jessica Alba's ass is hot.  The earth is heating up.  Coincidence? 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 04:02:41 PM
You won't change your habits at all?  Why not?  How hard is it to use less, be more conscious?

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 23, 2007, 04:04:15 PM
I told you. I think we're already farged. Besides, I'm far too self-centered to inconvenience myself in any way. That's why (I think) I'm a libertarian. Just leave me alone and let me do whatever the hell I want.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 04:06:54 PM
I think we're already farged.
Well, I can't really argue with that. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 04:22:53 PM
The Pacific Ocean just decided to start warming up on its own. Got it.

No. It's been heating for thousands of years. Most undersea volcanoes are located in the Pacific. The "ring of fire" is located in the Pacific. El Nino originates in the Pacific as a result. The Earth is moving back towards equilibrium which means an overall heating. Al and the gang could take us back to the stone age and nothing would change this fact.

Although, the Alba arse doesn't help matters. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 04:24:54 PM
No. It's been heating for thousands of years. Most undersea volcanoes are located in the Pacific. The "ring of fire" is located in the Pacific. El Nino originates in the Pacific as a result. The Earth is moving back towards equilibrium which means an overall heating. Al and the gang could take us back to the stone age and nothing would change this fact.

This Science Moment brought to by a grant from ExxonMobil and the White House Project for Climate Change Awareness.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 04:26:04 PM
:-D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2007, 04:27:30 PM
No. It's been heating for thousands of years. Most undersea volcanoes are located in the Pacific. The "ring of fire" is located in the Pacific. El Nino originates in the Pacific as a result. The Earth is moving back towards equilibrium which means an overall heating. Al and the gang could take us back to the stone age and nothing would change this fact.

This "Science" Moment brought to by a grant from ExxonMobil and the White House Project for Climate Change Awareness.

I'm pretty sure the quotes would have driven your point home even more.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 04:28:58 PM
Probably so.  Luckily, no one's reading/thinking about what I type anyway.  I'm just amusing myself.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 04:29:45 PM
It would have gotten :-D :-D instead of just one. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 23, 2007, 04:32:21 PM
Jessica Alba's ass is hot.  The earth is heating up.  Coincidence? 

Al Gore invented Jessica Alba's ass.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 04:33:11 PM
Years ago I would have argued the substance (such as it is) of his post.  Nowadays, I'm trying to get a laugh.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2007, 04:33:55 PM
No pain, no gain!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 04:34:28 PM
Al Gore invented Jessica Alba's ass.

Al Gore for President!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 04:35:31 PM
Al Gore invented Jessica Alba's ass.

Al Gore for President!

Only if bacon is his running mate. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 04:36:45 PM
Jessicas for Prez.  Alba and Biel.  They could trade off being the Dom/Sub (Pres/VP).  Film it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2007, 04:42:03 PM
I'd vote for that ticket.

On a side note, I think Dio is drunk.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 04:42:08 PM
No. It's been heating for thousands of years. Most undersea volcanoes are located in the Pacific. The "ring of fire" is located in the Pacific. El Nino originates in the Pacific as a result. The Earth is moving back towards equilibrium which means an overall heating. Al and the gang could take us back to the stone age and nothing would change this fact.

This Science Moment brought to by a grant from ExxonMobil and the White House Project for Climate Change Awareness.

Real science must be funded.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 04:43:45 PM
Real science must be funded peer reviewed.

See what I did there?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on January 23, 2007, 04:43:58 PM
Yeah there's no evidence that it is man made. Just parallels. Though I ask myself which side of the argument can afford to be wrong? The one that causes some inconvenience or the one that could drive us off a cliff.

Though I don’t really like winter so let’s wait a few more years.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 04:54:38 PM

Though I don't really like winter so let's wait a few more years.


I can't wait to sing Christmas songs like "I'm dreaming of a tropical Christmas" or for shopping mall Santas to set up shop wearing bermuda shorts and an island shirt. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 04:59:07 PM
Yeah there's no evidence that it is man made. Just parallels. Though I ask myself which side of the argument can afford to be wrong? The one that causes some inconvenience or the one that could drive us off a cliff.

Though I don’t really like winter so let’s wait a few more years.


Global warming won't drive us off a cliff. Some areas will become more temperate while others become more arid. Coastlines may rearrange but that has happened throughout time. Sea level has fallen and risen. It's the way of the World. Humans didn't order things from the beginning and the idea that they can do so now is the height of folly. The only way humanity is driven off a cliff is if Al Gore is at the wheel of a global Hugo.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on January 23, 2007, 05:00:13 PM

Though I don't really like winter so let's wait a few more years.


I can't wait to sing Christmas songs like "I'm dreaming of a tropical Christmas" or for shopping mall Santas to set up shop wearing bermuda shorts and an island shirt. 

Mele Kalikimaka, bitch.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 05:02:52 PM
Humans didn't order things from the beginning...
I see where you're coming from.  Next you'll tell us that dinosaur fossils were put there by God as a trick to test our faith.  This just gets better and better.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on January 23, 2007, 05:10:09 PM
Yeah there's no evidence that it is man made. Just parallels. Though I ask myself which side of the argument can afford to be wrong? The one that causes some inconvenience or the one that could drive us off a cliff.

Though I don’t really like winter so let’s wait a few more years.


Global warming won't drive us off a cliff. Some areas will become more temperate while others become more arid. Coastlines may rearrange but that has happened throughout time. Sea level has fallen and risen. It's the way of the World. Humans didn't order things from the beginning and the idea that they can do so now is the height of folly. The only way humanity is driven off a cliff is if Al Gore is at the wheel of a global Hugo.

Hope your right... Don't think you are...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 05:16:41 PM
Humans didn't order things from the beginning...
I see where you're coming from.  Next you'll tell us that dinosaur fossils were put there by God as a trick to test our faith.  This just gets better and better.

No. I think the evidence suggests that the global distribution fossils could only occur by events described in the Bible. Far from dinosaur, or any other, fossils being a trick, they corroborate the testimony of the Scripture. The fossil record is a defense, not an offense. Science does not hinder my belief. Actually, if causes if to flourish.   
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 23, 2007, 05:18:33 PM
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on January 23, 2007, 05:21:26 PM
So why is global warming a religious thing anyway?

Not all of the righteous agree with you either.


Quote
In another pairing of strange bedfellows, a group of evangelicals and scientists said last week that they will work together to convince the nation's leaders that global warming is real.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/01/23/23climatechange.html (http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/01/23/23climatechange.html)


Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: NGM on January 23, 2007, 05:21:59 PM
I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Global Warming needs to eradicate us.  :-\
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 23, 2007, 05:24:13 PM
My contribution to the environment is that I recycle everything and anything I can....including the food I eat.  :paranoid

Recycling - aside from aluminum - is bullshtein. I don't feel like going into detail so just rent Penn & Tellers bullshtein (season 2 I think) to see why.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 05:45:12 PM
So why is global warming a religious thing anyway?

Not all of the righteous agree with you either.


Quote
In another pairing of strange bedfellows, a group of evangelicals and scientists said last week that they will work together to convince the nation's leaders that global warming is real.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/01/23/23climatechange.html (http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/01/23/23climatechange.html)




Global warming isn't an issue. These evangelicals would spent their time much better trying to convince football fans that calling two consecutive time outs is really not a penalty. The Country might actually benefit from such an endeavor.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 23, 2007, 06:04:18 PM
My contribution to the environment is that I recycle everything and anything I can....including the food I eat.  :paranoid

Recycling - aside from aluminum - is bullshtein. I don't feel like going into detail so just rent Penn & Tellers bullshtein (season 2 I think) to see why.

Yeah, it's a good episode.  We definitely get all our cardboard and aluminum.  Usually plastic.

Glass recycling is a farce, though.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 23, 2007, 07:12:56 PM

Though I don't really like winter so let's wait a few more years.


I can't wait to sing Christmas songs like "I'm dreaming of a tropical Christmas" or for shopping mall Santas to set up shop wearing bermuda shorts and an island shirt. 

All you have to do for that is move three states south, Sarge.

I think that the high temp has been below 70 exactly five days total so far.  We've just had a stretch of about 2 weeks of 80+ highs.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: mussa on January 23, 2007, 07:19:43 PM
Humans didn't order things from the beginning...
I see where you're coming from.  Next you'll tell us that dinosaur fossils were put there by God as a trick to test our faith.  This just gets better and better.

No. I think the evidence suggests that the global distribution fossils could only occur by events described in the Bible. Far from dinosaur, or any other, fossils being a trick, they corroborate the testimony of the Scripture. The fossil record is a defense, not an offense. Science does not hinder my belief. Actually, if causes if to flourish.   

Keep drinking the Kool Aid 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 23, 2007, 07:32:23 PM
Keep drinking the Kool Aid 

What kool aid is that?

All of the sciences fit quite nicely. Much more so than the illogical, unscientific, protected evolutionary dogma of the religious left.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on January 23, 2007, 07:37:10 PM
According to all the science/history books I've been forced to read lately, as well as been quoted at, this whole two polar icecaps at the same time thing is pretty rare for this planet.

And what happened to the global cooling they talked about in the 70s?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 23, 2007, 07:38:08 PM
According to all the science/history books I've been forced to read lately, as well as been quoted at, this whole two polar icecaps at the same time thing is pretty rare for this planet.

And what happened to the global cooling they talked about in the 70s?

It's George Bush's fault.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 23, 2007, 07:42:06 PM
If you are unsure of who is telling the truth on an issue you just have to look at who stands to gain. What does an internation conglomeration of scientists stand to gain from stopping global warming? Not much.
How powerful are they? Not very.

What does the multi-kabillion Oil, Gas and Car companies (and the most energy-funded and energy friendly prez ever) stand to lose? A shteinload.
How powerful are they? Very.

which expalins why it is still even a debate, even after reams and reams of positive evidence. It is very similar to the Tobacco/Harmful effects 'debate' that went on for 30 years. Thier tactics are meant to cause confusion and to delay change so that they can continue to profit for as long as possible.

Now what explains numbnuts saying that dinosaur fossils could only be explained by biblical events and are further proof of the bible....
I really can't even begin to respond to that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 08:35:55 PM
Now what explains numbnuts saying that dinosaur fossils could only be explained by biblical events and are further proof of the bible....
I really can't even begin to respond to that.

I can: LMFAO.  And stay away from me, fundie freaks.  I'm armed if you don't heed the warning.  I'll send you to your Jesus faster than you can say "hippy."
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 23, 2007, 08:47:29 PM
And what happened to the global cooling they talked about in the 70s?

We just need a nice little nuclear winter to set everything straight.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on January 23, 2007, 08:57:44 PM
Well, I just had my garage expanded so I could park my Hummer and my Expidition in it.  I don't need no goddamned acid rain falling on my new paint jobs.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2007, 10:46:47 PM
Now what explains numbnuts saying that dinosaur fossils could only be explained by biblical events and are further proof of the bible....
I really can't even begin to respond to that.

I can: LMFAO.  And stay away from me, fundie freaks.  I'm armed if you don't heed the warning.  I'll send you to your Jesus faster than you can say "hippy."

[test]hippy[/test]


Hmm.  Do I have to believe in Jesus in order for it to work? 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 23, 2007, 11:03:23 PM
I left the safety on, godamnit!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on January 24, 2007, 01:18:59 AM
Alternate fuel needs to be found, and fast. Whether it's causing global warming or not, all that CO2 in the atmosphere CAN'T be good for people.

The fact taht we're chopping down rain forrests and taking away trees that breathe the CO2 isn't helping either.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on January 24, 2007, 09:49:35 AM
Alternate fuels have been found. Some were pushed out of the way for petrolium. Don't we have this conversation every year?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 10:00:03 AM
Since when do you get involved in conversations?  About anything? 

You're the one like joke guy, lobbing in from afar, then moving on to find the next joke.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on January 24, 2007, 10:49:02 AM
Dio -- forgot to tell you.  You'd be soo proud of me.

I have cut my feul consumption 75% in the past 6 months, and my family has cut it 40% total. 

And I lean to the right.

Yea me.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 10:51:29 AM
You don't lean to the right, you march to the right.

Good move though.  Has the effort ruined your lifestyle?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on January 24, 2007, 10:53:46 AM
You don't lean to the right, you march to the right.

Good move though.  Has the effort ruined your lifestyle?

Not at all.  But I cheated -- my office closed, and I work from home now.  No more 50 mile round trips each day.  I only drive to the airport about 3 to 4 times a month now.

And I did capture about a $2200 year "raise" from money not spent on gas.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 10:57:03 AM
Why doesn't the President go on TV and issue a challenge to all Americans...a real challenge, not the crap he said last night.  Something along the lines of...it is our duty as Americans to consume less.  It is good in every way for the Nation if we drive less, use less gas, turn off our lights when we aren't using them, etc.

"I challenge you, the citizens of this great union, to prove that we can waste less.  I'm asking every citizen to look at their lives and find ways to conserve energy.  It is possible for individuals to achieve a 25% decrease in energy usage within months--without moving into tents--and I know the American people can do it."

Something along those lines.  Something like what Gore is saying: the responsibility is not simply on business or government....a great deal of it is on individuals.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on January 24, 2007, 11:26:10 AM
And what happened to the global cooling they talked about in the 70s?

Global warming is going to lead to the next ice age by melting the polar icecaps.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on January 24, 2007, 11:35:27 AM
It's 2:30 am here. I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 24, 2007, 02:47:48 PM
It can be pretty embarrassing to be an American.

When I lived in PA, I put my trash out twice a week, and recycling out once a week.  That's 1-2 full 30 gallon trash cans, and 1 5 gallon recycling bin, usually about half full.
Living in Canada, trash and recycling are collected once per week.  I put out 1 half full 30 gallon trash can, and two 5 gallon recycling bins, both overflowing.

When I was having the home inspection done for the house I bought up here, I was looking at the furnace...and there was ABS plastic pipes coming out of the top.  WTF?  And where is the chimney?  The inspector explains - the heater is a high efficiency unit whose exhaust is room temperature.

In the US, McDonald's Happy Meals come in a press board box - hard to recycle, take up more space in the dump.  In Canada they come in a paper bag.

I have been regularly getting fliers in the mail from Members of Parliament, debating why Canada should or should not sign Kyoto.  In the US, the decision has already been made by the lobbyists.

While the average temperature is ~7 degrees colder, and energy rates are higher, I'm paying less to heat my house than I did for my twin (sharing a wall with a neighbor) in Souderton.

There is a household hazardous waste depot to get rid of paint, solvents, oil, batteries, computer parts, etc., open 5 days a week.  This is next to the recycling center, where I can drop off recyclables too large to put to the curb (including styrofoam packing material) which is open 24 hours / day.  This is 10 minutes from my home and 2 minutes from my work.

In Canada you don't get an "Electric Bill" - you get a "Hydro Bill".  This is because more than half (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canadian_electricity_generation_2003.PNG) of the country's electric comes from hydroelectric dams.

I thought this (out of context) quote from rjs sums up the US attitude best...

I don't get it. I mean, not only is it disgusting, but it takes a certain amount of "farg everyone else, I'm gonna piss on this seat and make someone else clean it up" attitude to do this. So ignorant.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 02:50:23 PM
So, the long and the short of it is that Canada is a bunch of hippie douches?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 24, 2007, 02:52:58 PM
Beat me to it.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 24, 2007, 03:06:52 PM
Ironically, I've found there to be a large socially conservative, even fundie population.  They just don't go around with their heads up their asses pretending the rest of the world is someone else's problem.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 03:10:15 PM
Well, it's obvious you're really humble and cool about it and not at all self-important.

Did you see the "South Park" episode with the cloud of smug?  That's you.  Congrats.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 24, 2007, 03:12:29 PM
Well, it's obvious you're really humble and cool about it and not at all self-important.

Did you see the "South Park" episode with the cloud of smug?  That's you.  Congrats.

You piss on toilet seats, don't you?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 03:16:45 PM
If you take care not to deposit a gargantuan amount of waste in your wake, you're a hippy douche.   Got it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 03:17:41 PM
Quote
Folks
I'd like to sing a song about the American Dream
About me
About you
About the way our American hearts beat way down in the bottoms of our chests
About that special feeling we get in the cockles of our hearts
Or maybe below the cockles
Maybe in the sub-cockle area
Maybe in the liver
Maybe in the kidneys
Maybe even in the colon
We don't know...

I'm just a regular joe
With a regular job
I'm your average white
Suburbanite slob
I like football, and porno, and books about war
I've got an average house
With a nice hardwood floor
My wife, and my job
My kids, and my car
My feet on my table
And a Cuban cigar
But sometimes that just ain't enough
To keep a man like me interested
Oh no, no way, uh uhh
No, I gotta go out and have fun
At someone else's expense
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah

I drive really slow
In the ultra-fast lane
While people behind me are going insane

I'm an icehole
(he's an icehole, what an icehole)
I'm an icehole
(he's an icehole, such an icehole)

I use public toilets
And I piss on the seat

I walk around in the summer time sayin', "How about this heat?"

I'm an icehole
(he's an icehole, what an icehole)
I'm an icehole
(he's the worlds biggest icehole)

Sometimes I park in handicapped spaces
While handicapped people
Make handicapped faces

I'm an icehole
(he's an icehole, what an icehole)
I'm an icehole
(he's a real farging icehole)

Maybe I shouldn't be singin' this song
Ranting and raving and carrying on
Maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong...
...
NAAAHHHHH!

I'm an icehole
(he's an icehole, what an icehole)
I'm an icehole
(he's the world's biggest icehole)

You know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadilac El Dorado Convertable
Hot pink!
With whale skin hub caps
An all leather cow interior
And big brown baby seal eyes for headlights
YEAH!
And I'm gonna drive around in that baby
At 115 miles per hour
Getting one mile per gallon
Sucking down Quarter Pounder cheeseburgers from McDonalds in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable Styrofoam containers
And when I'm done sucking down those grease-ball burgers
I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag
And then I'm gonna toss the Styrofoam containers right out the side
And there ain't a Goddamn thing anybody can do about it
You know why?
'Cause we got the bombs, that's why!
Two words: Nuclear fargin' Weapons
Okay!?
Russia, Germany, Romania
They can have all the Democracy they want
They can have a big Democracy cake walk
Right through the middle of Tienemen Square
And it won't make a lick of difference
Because we got the bombs
Okay!?
John Wayne's not dead
He's frozen!
And as soon as we find a cure for cancer We're gonna thaw out "The Duke"
And he's gonna be pretty pissed off
You know why?
Have you ever taken a cold shower?
Well, multiply that by 15 million times
That's how pissed off "The Duke"'s gonna be
I'm gonna get "The Duke"
And John Cassavetes
And Lee Marvin
And Sam Peckinpah
And a case of whiskey
And drive down to Texas
And-
(Hey, Hey! You know you really are an icehole)
Why don't you just shut-up and sing the song, pal?
You know, the whole time I thought I was that icehole
And it turns out it was him
What an icehole!

I'm an icehole
(he's an icehole, what an icehole)
I'm an icehole
(he's the worlds biggest icehole)

A - SS - HO - LE!
Everybody!!
A - SS - HO - LE!

*dog barking noises*

I'm an icehole and proud of it!

Apparently, yes.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 03:18:01 PM
Well, it's obvious you're really humble and cool about it and not at all self-important.

The icehole attitude in this discussion ain't coming from Cerevant.  I'll own to my portion of it, as you will yours I think..but don't try to say he's being a pompous dick. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 24, 2007, 03:19:35 PM
i love Rescue Me.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 03:28:17 PM
Well, it's obvious you're really humble and cool about it and not at all self-important.

The icehole attitude in this discussion ain't coming from Cerevant.  I'll own to my portion of it, as you will yours I think..but don't try to say he's being a pompous dick. 

I'm not trying to say it.  I'm saying it.  He's being a smug, pompous dick.  He's also basing entire countries' habits on his personal experience.

I will not sit here and pretend there is no truth to his comments or that the USA is leading Canada in energy conservation habits in general.  But, his generalizations are a cock in the eye to the many people in America that are doing their part.

The government needs to effect this change in the people, and as I've mentioned before, the United States government is probably the most evil, inefficient, and wasteful entity in the world.  This is not about Democrats versus Republicans.  This is a trend from both sides of the aisle and comes from the system that's been solidified over the last 60+ years, and we're all farged pretty hard until some sweeping changes take place.

So, the last thing I want to hear is some transplanted American in Canada bragging about how awesome they are for the planet.  farg Canada.  We have our own problems.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 03:31:25 PM
The government needs to effect this change in the people...

Oh, so now big government is the answer.  And people are off the "personal responsibility" hook, eh?  How convenient for you.

You're being a touchy bitch.  Dude said only that it's a startling difference, and you got your panties twisted.

Waaah.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 24, 2007, 03:33:39 PM
i sensed the same pompousness that FF did, if that means anything
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 03:35:34 PM
Let's put it this way.

America is a much more dominant force than Canada, so it's cute that they're doing their part in general, but they're not saving the world.

Americans who don't conserve outweigh (literally, usually) those who do conserve.

Relying on Joe Average American to save the world through individual changes in attitude?  Again... cute.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 03:37:49 PM
i sensed the same pompousness that FF did, if that means anything

You're looking for it.   And even if it's there, and I'm just not picking up on it, it's par for the course here, and especially with the cats in on this discussion.  Sure is a funny time for a prickly bastich to get pissy about tone.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 03:39:53 PM
Relying on Joe Average American to save the world through individual changes in attitude?  Again... cute.

I'll remember this the next time you harp about personal responsibility when the subject is welfare, etc.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 24, 2007, 03:41:13 PM
im not sure if this helps or not, but last weekend, i literally poured a gallon of lead based paint on a humpback whale
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 03:42:30 PM
Relying on Joe Average American to save the world through individual changes in attitude?  Again... cute.

I'll remember this the next time you harp about personal responsibility when the subject is welfare, etc.

Again, people suck, but the system is the root of the problem.

Why would you work if you could have the same quality of life but not work?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 03:43:43 PM
I emptied an entire can of contact cleaner onto the transmission and gear box casings of a '62 Land Rover, trying to clean off enough gunk to see the goddamned bolts.  That can't be good.  But there's no other way to clean years of oil gunk, and I slept just fine that night.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 03:45:49 PM
That land rover should be recycled into food for welfare recipients.

See how smart I am with matters of conservation?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 03:46:19 PM
Again, people suck, but the system is the root of the problem.
Keep digging, eventually you'll get out of the hypocrite hole, really you will.

Why would you work if you could have the same quality of life but not work?
Great question.  I don't think you can have the same quality of life.  You can have the same amount of fast food, sure.  You can have satellite tv, sure.  But you get something by working that is worth it in and of itself, so as I see it, the question is...why wouldn't you work? 
 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 24, 2007, 03:53:30 PM
im not sure if this helps or not, but last weekend, i literally poured a gallon of lead based paint on a humpback whale

Funny you should mention that, I was feeding lead to dolphins and keeping their mouths shut with six pack holders to be sure they swallowed.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 24, 2007, 04:05:34 PM
I'm not trying to say it.  I'm saying it.  He's being a smug, pompous dick.

By using myself as an example for how farged up the American attitude is?  Hell, I thought I was doing my US $0.02 by putting my milk bottles and beer bottles in the recycle bin.  (Up here milk is in recycleable plastic bags, and beer bottles are washed and re-used)

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He's also basing entire countries' habits on his personal experience.

Says the guy who calls the entire country of Canada hippie douches?

Yes, I used examples from my life to illustrate the difference I observed.  I felt that using my consumption habits as a baseline would allow an apples to apples comparison.  I haven't changed how I live (well, I did change a bunch of lightbulbs to flourescent, but...) and I am just amazed how easy they make it to do the right thing.

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But, his generalizations are a cock in the eye to the many people in America that are doing their part.

This Christmas I visited Raleigh, North Carolina for most of a week.  When I went to a pizza joint, my soda was served in a styrofoam cup.  The homes I visited did not have recycling.

My ex has family in Davis, CA...about as granola as I've seen in the US.  Their conservation habits are somewhat better than PA, but not even close to where I live (Peterborough, Ontario).

The last 2 years I spent traveling all over the country and the world.  I try not to make generalizations lightly.

Still, I will concede that I've only really been exposed to life in Ontario - I'm sure there are parts of Canada (especially the rural plains and far north) that do not compare to what is one of the wealthier areas of the country.

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The government needs to effect this change in the people,

I agree - as I stated before, what makes this really work is that they make it easy to do the right thing here.  You don't have to badger people to recycle when just about everything is recyclable.

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So, the last thing I want to hear is some transplanted American in Canada bragging about how awesome they are for the planet.  farg Canada.  We have our own problems.

That's why I'm embarrassed.  The US is supposed to be the richest, most technologically advanced country in the world.  As someone who has been a pretty staunch capitalist in the past, it kills me to see how the lobbyists and big money corporations are taking control of my home and running it into the ground.

I use Canada as an example to show that it can be done.  If a country with 1/10 the population of the US and a crippled, import dependent economy can do it, there is no farging reason why the US can't.  They just don't farging want to.  It might cost another 2% in taxes or inconvenience some icehole in North Carolina who doesn't like his Coke to make his hand cold.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 24, 2007, 04:10:22 PM

Funny you should mention that, I was feeding lead to dolphins and keeping their mouths shut with six pack holders to be sure they swallowed.

ah, the mystery of nature
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 04:12:38 PM
(well, I did change a bunch of lightbulbs to flourescent, but...)
I did that too.  They're expensive up front, but they use a lot less energy and they last forever.  Used to be they were only good for overhead lights and the like because the light was a bit harsh and poorly suited to table lamps, but they've gotten much better and I now use them throughout the apartment.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 24, 2007, 04:20:45 PM

You piss on toilet seats, don't you?

I noticed when I piss sometimes I can't help but have it spray. Like it's not a solid stream, a little goes off somewhere else. This doesn't happen often, maybe once a month, but it does happen.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 24, 2007, 04:21:15 PM
they don't work so good outside though
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Post by: Cerevant on January 24, 2007, 04:22:07 PM
(well, I did change a bunch of lightbulbs to flourescent, but...)
I did that too.  They're expensive up front, but they use a lot less energy and they last forever.  Used to be they were only good for overhead lights and the like because the light was a bit harsh and poorly suited to table lamps, but they've gotten much better and I now use them throughout the apartment.

Since my wife works at home, and her office is in the basement, it ended up saving us ~$15/month in electricity.
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Post by: Diomedes on January 24, 2007, 04:26:25 PM
they don't work so good outside though

Yeah, they aren't made for outdoor duty.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 24, 2007, 04:31:46 PM
We switched over to these months ago:

(http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture97/lighthouse/Product-20063214639-s.jpg)

I haven't really noticed a big savings in the electric bill because I'm a pain in the ass about turning lights off in the house, but I'm sure we've saved a little bit by switching.

And no, they're not meant for outdoor lighting.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 24, 2007, 04:32:39 PM
they don't work so good outside though

Yeah, they aren't made for outdoor duty.

What's the problem?  I find they are really bright.  The nice thing is that you can use a higher rated bulb - if the fixture is rated for 60 watts, you can put in a 100 watt equivalent (actually 15W), because they do not generate much heat.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 24, 2007, 04:35:56 PM
I haven't really noticed a big savings in the electric bill because I'm a pain in the ass about turning lights off in the house, but I'm sure we've saved a little bit by switching.

The propaganda around here is that one bulb will save $50/year, so not so much monthly.  I think I'm an exception because my wife is home all day and keeps all the lights on.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 24, 2007, 04:41:59 PM
i use them outside as well...i dont know that you could read under one but they work fine to light up my front stoop and my back porch

oh and lol @ It might cost another 2% in taxes or inconvenience some icehole in North Carolina who doesn't like his Coke to make his hand cold
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 05:35:53 PM
This Christmas I visited Raleigh, North Carolina for most of a week.  When I went to a pizza joint, my soda was served in a styrofoam cup.  The homes I visited did not have recycling.

That's funny.  I live right near Raleigh.  I don't remember the last time I drank out of a styrofoam cup.  I don't remember the last time I saw a trash can at the curb without a recycling bin right next to it.  In fact, my recycling bin regularly is filled so much that I put the extras in a cardboard box.  Oh, and I haven't replaced an indoor lightbulb in my house with anything but compact flourescent in over a year.

You're being a self-righteous shtein.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 24, 2007, 05:41:50 PM

You piss on toilet seats, don't you?

I noticed when I piss sometimes I can't help but have it spray. Like it's not a solid stream, a little goes off somewhere else. This doesn't happen often, maybe once a month, but it does happen.

Well if you don't take the 30 seconds to wipe it up when you're done then you are a farging dickhole.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 24, 2007, 05:50:07 PM
I'll usually wipe it off but if there is no toilet paper handy it stays.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 24, 2007, 06:08:16 PM
Now what explains numbnuts saying that dinosaur fossils could only be explained by biblical events and are further proof of the bible....
I really can't even begin to respond to that.

I can: LMFAO.  And stay away from me, fundie freaks.  I'm armed if you don't heed the warning.  I'll send you to your Jesus faster than you can say "hippy."

I fire back, hippy! You better be true.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 24, 2007, 07:12:32 PM
It can be pretty embarrassing to be an American.

When I lived in PA, I put my trash out twice a week, and recycling out once a week.  That's 1-2 full 30 gallon trash cans, and 1 5 gallon recycling bin, usually about half full.
Living in Canada, trash and recycling are collected once per week.  I put out 1 half full 30 gallon trash can, and two 5 gallon recycling bins, both overflowing.

When I was having the home inspection done for the house I bought up here, I was looking at the furnace...and there was ABS plastic pipes coming out of the top.  WTF?  And where is the chimney?  The inspector explains - the heater is a high efficiency unit whose exhaust is room temperature.

In the US, McDonald's Happy Meals come in a press board box - hard to recycle, take up more space in the dump.  In Canada they come in a paper bag.

I have been regularly getting fliers in the mail from Members of Parliament, debating why Canada should or should not sign Kyoto.  In the US, the decision has already been made by the lobbyists.

While the average temperature is ~7 degrees colder, and energy rates are higher, I'm paying less to heat my house than I did for my twin (sharing a wall with a neighbor) in Souderton.

There is a household hazardous waste depot to get rid of paint, solvents, oil, batteries, computer parts, etc., open 5 days a week.  This is next to the recycling center, where I can drop off recyclables too large to put to the curb (including styrofoam packing material) which is open 24 hours / day.  This is 10 minutes from my home and 2 minutes from my work.

In Canada you don't get an "Electric Bill" - you get a "Hydro Bill".  This is because more than half (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canadian_electricity_generation_2003.PNG) of the country's electric comes from hydroelectric dams.

I thought this (out of context) quote from rjs sums up the US attitude best...

I don't get it. I mean, not only is it disgusting, but it takes a certain amount of "farg everyone else, I'm gonna piss on this seat and make someone else clean it up" attitude to do this. So ignorant.

C -

I can't speak for anywhere else, because I've lived in Florida since 1993 as recycling was just beginning to become prevalent in the U.S.
I also don't pretend that Florida does it as extensively as Canada, but I have a recycling bin just about as large as the trash bin (probably 20 or 25 gallons).  And, yes, the trash is collected twice a week, but I never have to put it down more than once per week.  Usually the trash is less than 2/3 full.

I have a three year old that loves McDonald hambugers (he's allowed about one per month), and I've never seen it in a box that we've bought for him.  It's always been in a paper bag.

And, of course, living in Florida I've turned on the heat once this year.  Now, the air conditioning...  :paranoid
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 24, 2007, 07:26:49 PM
they don't work so good outside though

Yeah, they aren't made for outdoor duty.

They do make some for outdoors, though. Basically the curly indoor bulb surrounded by a floodlight-shaped housing. I have two of them on my back-porch light.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 24, 2007, 08:33:23 PM
i'll start using those swirly bulbs when they will work on a dimmer switch
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on January 24, 2007, 09:04:23 PM
I do what I can, we recycle all plastic and paper, we switched to the swirly light bulbs, I got the "daylight" kind and I love them, not yellowish, more of a pure white light. At work I started a recycling program surprisingly they had NONE :o The company we use is called Donahue (I think they have recently changed their name) but they pay us for the paper we produce, not a huge amount but hey any $$ will help in the community. This year we started letting the community know so they can deposit their paper in our cans and we can get more..

My one question for Al Gore is, if all this heating up is caused by our industrialization, how did the earth come out of previous ice ages?

Also we have had 9 straight days of high temps below freezing in Chicago, the longest stretch since 2003, so maybe we should be worried about the next ice age ;D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2007, 09:13:40 PM
i'll start using those swirly bulbs when they will work on a dimmer switch

God forbid you actually just have an "on" and "off" to your lights.  That would be totally uncool!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 24, 2007, 09:14:20 PM
It's only supposed to be 66 tomorrow.  Time to break out the parkas.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on January 24, 2007, 09:40:53 PM
i'll start using those swirly bulbs when they will work on a dimmer switch

God forbid you actually just have an "on" and "off" to your lights.  That would be totally uncool!

How is gonna get the right mode going with the Barry White CD? You gotta lower them lights slooooowly
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: mussa on January 25, 2007, 12:28:36 AM
Just watched an inconvienient truth. i am sold the majority is our fault. i suggest all the people who don't believe its true to watch this movie. that is all i have to say. watch it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 25, 2007, 08:27:20 AM
That's funny.  I live right near Raleigh.

Well, then you should have no problem recognizing the little town names I didn't expect most of the people on this board to recognize -

I got the styrofoam cup at Nick's in Princeton.

The homes I visited were in Princeton and Kenly

The hotel I stayed at was the Candlewood Suites at Crabtree.

But thanks for completely missing my point...

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You're being a self-righteous shtein.

If it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2007, 09:55:55 AM
The homes I visited were in Princeton and Kenly


But thanks for completely missing my point...

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You're being a self-righteous shtein.

If it makes you feel better.

Princeton and Kenly are both significantly east of "civilization" and that doesn't surprise me one bit.

And I didn't miss any of your point, sweettits.  It's rather clear to me how you're doing your part to save the world.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 25, 2007, 09:59:01 AM
i don't recycle, at all

sorry.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 25, 2007, 09:59:12 AM
i'll start using those swirly bulbs when they will work on a dimmer switch

God forbid you actually just have an "on" and "off" to your lights.  That would be totally uncool!

My house has both actually in some rooms. Like the kitchen, where I do use the swirly bulbs. But the family room, living room and basement are recessed lighting. I tried those swirly bulbs, but being on a dimmer switch, actually blew those lightbulbs out in about 3 months.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2007, 10:00:32 AM
Putting your own semen into a delicious shake counts.  I think you qualify.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 25, 2007, 10:01:43 AM
And I didn't miss any of your point, sweettits.  It's rather clear to me how you're doing your part to save the world.

The point wasn't about me, fargtard.  As you pointed out, the government needs to do something to help everyone make progress.  I was just giving some examples of what federal, state and/or local governments could do to make things better.  It isn't about bullying people, it is about making it easy to do the right thing.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 25, 2007, 10:01:50 AM
i don't recycle, at all

sorry.

As you shouldn't, aside from Aluminum there's no reason too. It's big business.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 25, 2007, 10:03:48 AM
My house has both actually in some rooms. Like the kitchen, where I do use the swirly bulbs. But the family room, living room and basement are recessed lighting. I tried those swirly bulbs, but being on a dimmer switch, actually blew those lightbulbs out in about 3 months.

I have the same setup - look for the fluorescents that look like your normal bulbs, and check the package carefully - some are designed to be dimmable, and will say so on the package.  Not as nice as the normal ones, but they do work.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 25, 2007, 10:07:52 AM
As you shouldn't, aside from Aluminum there's no reason too. It's big business.

Link?  I just can't think of a situation where putting stuff in a landfill is a better option than recycling / reusing.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2007, 10:08:17 AM
Not as nice as the normal ones

It's a travashamamockery!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 25, 2007, 10:08:47 AM
Don't you get it?  Cheaper=better.  Always.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 25, 2007, 10:10:39 AM
who says that when they take your recycling they don't just dump that in the same landfill where they put your regular garbage?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 25, 2007, 10:11:31 AM
As you shouldn't, aside from Aluminum there's no reason too. It's big business.

Link?  I just can't think of a situation where putting stuff in a landfill is a better option than recycling / reusing.

Here you go (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7734998370503499886) Please watch the entire episode and tell me you disagree.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 25, 2007, 10:12:07 AM
Compact fluorescents are one of the easy things to do.  While they cost slightly more up-front, they more than pay for themselves with energy savings.  As a nice bonus, they conserve energy and last at least 5 years.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 25, 2007, 10:41:12 AM
Here you go (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7734998370503499886) Please watch the entire episode and tell me you disagree.

Sorry, I can't sit and watch TV at work, but I'm suspect of that the "facts" presented by a couple of comedians with an agenda (who's credibility has been questioned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshtein!#Allegations_of_bias) and who admit that one episode is completely wrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshtein!#Secondhand_smoke)).  It is like watching Michael Moore - interesting, but you can't take anything he says at face value.

So, let's sum up:

What did I miss?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 25, 2007, 10:42:12 AM

What did I miss?


Canada Rules!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 25, 2007, 10:51:39 AM
Quote
Sheila: Times have changed
Our kids are getting worse
They won't obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Sharon: Should we blame the government?
Liane: Or blame society?
Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
Sheila: No, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flapping heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Canada's fault!
Sharon: Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the damn cartoon
And now he's off to join the Klan!
Liane: And my boy Eric once
Had my picture on his shelf
But now when I see him he tells me to farg myself!
Sheila: Well, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: It seems that everything's gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Copy Guy: They're not even a real country anyway
Ms. McCormick: My son could've been a doctor or a lawyer rich and true,
Instead he burned up like a piggy on the barbecue
Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Sheila: heck no!
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their hockey hullabaloo
Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
Everyone: Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
For...
The smut we must stop
The trash we must bash
The Laughter and fun
Must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!

SABAZZ!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 25, 2007, 11:03:46 AM
Here you go (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7734998370503499886) Please watch the entire episode and tell me you disagree.

Sorry, I can't sit and watch TV at work, but I'm suspect of that the "facts" presented by a couple of comedians with an agenda (who's credibility has been questioned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshtein!#Allegations_of_bias) and who admit that one episode is completely wrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshtein!#Secondhand_smoke)).  It is like watching Michael Moore - interesting, but you can't take anything he says at face value.

So, let's sum up:
  • Global warming is a myth perpetrated by the liberal media, hipipies and washed-up politicians
  • Recycling is a scam run by big business to extort exorbitant disposal fees while just putting the recyclables in the same dump as the other trash
  • Compact florescent bulbs are just a scam to make you pay more for lightbulbs which aren't as bright and burn out faster.
  • The best place to gain scientific insight into todays issues is "Infotainment"

What did I miss?


All I asked was for you to watch it and get back to me...you didn't. I understand you're at work, so watch it when you get home and let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 25, 2007, 11:04:58 AM
It's only supposed to be 66 tomorrow.  Time to break out the parkas.

It's cold and rainy in Daytona.  It was 47 farging degrees this morning.  I had two shirts, a sweater & a rain coat on when I left the hizzy.

I'm such a pansy ass. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 25, 2007, 01:24:37 PM
Not only do I not recycle, I go around and mix up other people's recycled garbage. This is a tough planet. It can take it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on January 25, 2007, 06:14:24 PM
Here you go (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7734998370503499886) Please watch the entire episode and tell me you disagree.

Sorry, I can't sit and watch TV at work, but I'm suspect of that the "facts" presented by a couple of comedians with an agenda (who's credibility has been questioned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshtein!#Allegations_of_bias) and who admit that one episode is completely wrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshtein!#Secondhand_smoke)).  It is like watching Michael Moore - interesting, but you can't take anything he says at face value.

So, let's sum up:
  • Global warming is a myth perpetrated by the liberal media, hipipies and washed-up politicians
  • Recycling is a scam run by big business to extort exorbitant disposal fees while just putting the recyclables in the same dump as the other trash
  • Compact florescent bulbs are just a scam to make you pay more for lightbulbs which aren't as bright and burn out faster.
  • The best place to gain scientific insight into todays issues is "Infotainment"

What did I miss?


Those links are funny.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 25, 2007, 07:11:28 PM
The number one cause of greenhouse gases is the evaporation of water in the Earths oceans. How much water is there anyway. How about 325 million trillion gallons. What about the greenhouse gases produced by animals farting up a storm? Then there are volcanoes. How much are they contributing? The Sun has much to do with it as well. So let's see, more water than a jag, poots from a trillion animals, thousands of volcanoes and a few million fossil fuel burners. Which of these is the real cause of global warming? Some fatass driving a Metro wants to blame it on some fatass driving a Hummer. The guy in the Metro has himself a computer which can spit out nice, colorful graphs- ooooooooo, look at the nice colors. That's some real science right there, folks. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 25, 2007, 07:54:24 PM
Sorry, but only a farging idiot would argue that humans aren't negatively influencing the environment.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 25, 2007, 07:55:48 PM
No way dude! Billions of automobiles, increased resource consumption, over-population and industrialization are just happening coincidentally to this change in global atmoshpere. Der.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 25, 2007, 08:03:44 PM
Sorry, but only a farging idiot would argue that humans aren't negatively influencing the environment.

I didn't argue that. I do say that humans are not causing global warming. A warm globe is the natural state of the planet.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 25, 2007, 08:11:13 PM
No way dude! Billions of automobiles, increased resource consumption, over-population and industrialization are just happening coincidentally to this change in global atmoshpere. Der.

The popularity of the NFL has increased at the same time the global climate has changed. Coincidence?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 25, 2007, 08:13:27 PM
So you're saying that a sporting event is a reasonable comparison to industrial waste, automobile-driven pollution and use of natural resources with regard to a discussion about global warming?

Not only is your head buried in the sand, but you can't even argue your point effectively. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 25, 2007, 08:19:56 PM
Right.

There is no connection between two events occurring at the same time unless you can demonstrate a cause and effect relationship. Simply pointing to two lines moving in the same direction is not a reason to think one is causing the movement of the other. It's illogical.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 25, 2007, 08:22:43 PM
Everything that I just pointed out has been PROVEN to impact the atmosphere around it. But keep trying. It's adorable.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 25, 2007, 08:31:15 PM
Everything that I just pointed out has been PROVEN to impact the atmosphere around it. But keep trying. It's adorable.

Lots of things affect the atmosphere. Few of them can affect it enough to warm the whole globe. There's evidence that the globe has and will warm as we move away from the ice age. Whether humans are on the planet or not, it will warm because the processes which caused the ice age have dissipated. It's pure physics.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 25, 2007, 08:50:07 PM
200 years of those things, spread across the entire planet would be more than enough to warm the globe. But I'm sure that the slow process of heating up since the ice age just magically became more rapid over the past 200 years. Jesus is magic!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 25, 2007, 08:56:55 PM
200 years of those things, spread across the entire planet would be more than enough to warm the globe. But I'm sure that the slow process of heating up since the ice age just magically became more rapid over the past 200 years. Jesus is magic!

Not magic. Physics. That might appear as magic to the unwashed but that's why I'm here.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 25, 2007, 09:11:23 PM
There's evidence that the globe has and will warm as we move away from the ice age

since no humans have ever lived thru or away from an ice age where does this evidence that you speak of come from

not saying it doesnt exist but could you provide a link
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 25, 2007, 09:54:41 PM
I just rented 'An Inconvenient Truth', plan on watching it tonight. Hoping it gives me some perspective into this debate.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 25, 2007, 10:02:39 PM
The only real complaint anyone could lodge against that movie is the occasional jab Gore takes at the Chimp and his clan of corporate whores.

But that ain't the substance of the film at all.   It's just a dash of seasoning in a tasty soup of doom.

Which leads me to the next point...rjs thinks we're doomed and I can't say he's crazy.  Gore thinks we can reverse this, and I'm not sure he isn't crazy for thinking that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 25, 2007, 10:14:19 PM
Since Florida has been a prime target of hurricanes in the past few years, I've taken a real interest in keeping attention to websites such as weatherunderground.com.  The guy who runs it, Dr. Jeff Marsters, wrote a fairly in-depth review of An Inconvenient Truth:

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Al Gore's global warming movie, "An Inconvenient Truth," aims to call attention to the dangers society faces from climate change, and suggests urgent actions that need to be taken immediately. It is based on a slide show on climate Gore has presented to audiences worldwide over 1000 times in the past 15 years, but it is not purely a documentary. Gore's movie is an advocacy piece that is part documentary, part biography, and part campaign ad. I'll discuss all three of these aspects below. In brief, Al Gore has the right idea--climate change is an urgent issue that requires immediate action, and his thoughtful movie is a welcome addition to the usual array of mindless Hollywood summer fare. However, the movie has flaws. The presentation of the science is good, but not great--I rate it B minus. The excessive details on Al Gore's life make the movie too long, and his insistence on using the movie as something of a campaign ad detracts from its message.

An Inconvenient Truth as a biography of Al Gore
The creators of the movie presumably thought that simply presenting Gore's slide show would be too dull, so they decided to give the movie some human interest by interweaving a biography of Al Gore's life. Al Gore has led an interesting life, but "interesting" and "Al Gore" are not words one can often put together. As my daughter noted in her movie review yesterday, Al Gore is boring, and the 20 minutes or so of biography presented in An Inconvenient Truth is too much for a movie that is 1 hour and 36 minutes long. For example, I didn't really need to see the road where Al Gore totaled his car when he was 14 years old, or a replay of his loss in the 2000 election. On the other hand, some details of his past were interesting and relevant, such as the fact that he took college courses in the late 1960s from Harvard's Dr. Roger Revelle. Revelle and Dr. Charles Keeling were the pioneers in measurements of atmospheric CO2, and thus Gore got a very early exposure to the now infamous "Keeling Curve" (Figure 1), showing the build-up of atmospheric CO2. This early exposure to the significant impact humans were having on the atmosphere deeply affected Gore, and in the movie he details efforts he made to call attention to the issue long before most people had heard of it, back in the 1970s and 80s. Gore's slide show appropriately displays many graphs of the Keeling Curve, as it is probably the most important and most famous finding in climate change science.

(http://www.wunderground.com/education/greenhouse/keelingcurve.gif)
Figure 1. The Keeling Curve is a record of CO2 measurements taken at he top of Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii since 1958.



(More to come)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 25, 2007, 10:14:58 PM
More of Dr. Marster's review of An Inconvenient Truth:

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The science of An Inconvenient Truth
The science presented is mostly good, and at times compelling, but there are a few errors and one major distortion of the truth. Gore does an excellent job focusing on the most important issues, and usually presents them with a minimum of hype and distortion. The only exception to this comes in his treatment of global warming and extreme weather events such as hurricanes.

Basic global warming science
Gore begins the science part of his talk with a very easy to understand presentation on the basics of how the greenhouse effect works. His speech is clear, the graphics top notch, and he spices it up with a hilarious two-minute cartoon depicting roughneck global warming gases preventing poor Mr. Sunbeam from escaping Earth's atmosphere. Gore addresses the argument of skeptics who claim that the Earth is too big for humans to affect by showing Space Shuttle photos of how thin the atmosphere really is compared to the vast bulk of our planet. "The problem we now face is that this thin layer of atmosphere is being thickened by huge quantities of carbon dioxide," he asserts, which is not correct. The build-up of CO2 has virtually no effect on the density or thickness of Earth's atmosphere. The correct thing to say would have been, "The problem we now face is that this thin layer of atmosphere is being made more opaque to the transmission of infrared radiation (heat) by huge quantities of carbon dioxide."

Glaciers
Gore shows an impressive series of "then and now" images documenting the widespread retreat of many glaciers over the past century. Most dramatically, he shows Kenya's Mt. Kilimanjaro, whose 11,000 year-old glaciers are almost gone. While not all the world's glaciers have retreated in the past century, Gore's presentation is an effective and reasonable way to show how global warming has affected the majority of the world's glaciers. Greenhouse skeptics, including Michael Crichton in his State of Fear book, are fond of bashing those who use Mt. Kilimanjaro as a poster child for demonstrating global warming. They cite scientific research showing that the glacial retreat on Mt. Kilimanjaro is due to drying of the atmosphere, not global warming. However, as discussed at great length in a realclimate.org post, the research which supposedly supports the skeptics' claims has been widely misquoted and misinterpreted, and much of Kilimanjaro's melting can indeed be ascribed to warming of the atmosphere since 1960.

Gore does an excellent job discussing the ice caps of Greenland and Antarctica. Again, Gore's graphics are superb, and he does a nice job narrating. He shows animations of what a 20-foot rise in sea level would do to Manhattan, Florida, India, and China. A 20-foot sea level rise is what we expect if all of Greenland or all of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet were to melt. Such a 20-foot rise is not expected by 2100, and it would have been appropriate for Gore to acknowledge that the consensus of climate scientists--as published in the most recent report by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)--is that sea level is likely to rise between 4 and 35 inches, with a central value of 19 inches, by 2100. He should have also mentioned that temperatures in Greenland in the 1930s were about as warm as today's temperatures, so the current melting of Greenland's glaciers does have historical precedent. Nevertheless, the risk of a catastrophic melting and break-up of the Greenland or West Antarctic ice sheets is very real, when we consider that sea level before the most recent ice age was 15 feet higher than it is now. Gore is right to draw attention to what might happen if sea level rose 20 feet.

Drought and heat waves
An excellent discussion of the most serious climate change issue our generation is likely to face, the threat of increased drought and reduced water supplies, is presented. Gore makes reference to the extreme heat wave that affected Europe during the summer of 2004, and I was glad to see that he didn't blame the heat wave on global warming--he merely said that more events of this nature will be likely in the future.

Hurricanes and severe weather
The biggest failure in the movie's presentation of science comes in the discussion hurricanes and severe weather events. The devastation wrought by Katrina is used to very dramatic effect to warn of the dangers climate change presents. We are told that Katrina grew "stronger and stronger and stronger" as it passed over the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico that were heated up by global warming. We are told that global warming is increasing the intensity of hurricanes, but not provided information on the great amount of uncertainty and vigorous scientific debate on this issue. Graphs showing recent record insurance losses from natural disasters are presented, but no mention is made of how increasing population and insistence on building in vulnerable areas are the predominant factors causing recent high insurance claims from disasters such as Katrina. Gore points to some unprecedented events in 2004 as evidence of increasing severe weather events worldwide--the record 10 typhoons in Japan, the most tornadoes ever in the U.S., and the appearance of Brazil's first hurricane ever. However, examples of this kind are meaningless. No single weather event, or unconnected series of severe weather events such as Gore presents, are indicative of climate change. In particular, the IPCC has not found any evidence that climate change has increased tornado frequency, or is likely to. Gore doesn't mention the unusually quiet tornado season of 2005, when for the first time ever, no tornadoes were reported in Oklahoma in the month of May.

Other science
Gore presents many other important aspects of climate change, including the threat of abrupt climate change leading to a shut-off of the Gulf Stream current, the increase in damaging insect infestations and tropical diseases, loss of coral reefs, loss of ice in the polar ice cap, and melting of permafrost in the Arctic. With the possible exception of his treatment of the spread of tropical diseases, all of these issues were presented with sound science.

An Inconvenient Truth as a campaign ad
Gore has repeatedly said that he has no intention of running for president again, and that this movie was created as part of his life-long passion to protect the environment. Gore undoubtedly does care very deeply about the planet, but this movie very much looks like a campaign ad. We are shown many scenes of Gore being applauded, Gore traveling the globe to present his slide show, and Gore working to uncover evidence of Republican shenanigans to alter or suppress climate change science. Gore is portrayed as a humble and tireless crusader for good, and if the movie is not intended to promote his political ambitions, it is certainly intended to benefit the Democratic Party. All this gets in the way of the movie's central message.

Conclusion
At the end of the movie, we are presented with the same image that Gore started the movie with, that of a beautiful river in the wilderness. Throughout the movie, Gore emphasizes how beautiful and special our planet is, and he does an effective job conveying this. He also makes a powerful case that something can and should be done to protect the planet, and it is worth hearing his message, even if the science is flawed and the messenger does get in the way of the message. Overall, the movie rates 2.5 stars--worth seeing, but you might want to wait until the DVD comes out.

At the end of the movie, Gore presents some tips on how everyone can contribute, and points people to his web site, www.climatecrisis.net. However, I would recommend that people who want to get educated about climate change get their information from web sites not associated with a politician; perhaps the least politicized source of information is the latest scientific summary of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(IPCC), a group of over 2000 scientists from 100 countries working under a mandate from the United Nations in the largest peer-reviewed scientific collaboration in history.

Jeff Masters
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 26, 2007, 07:51:52 AM
Interesting perspective. Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 26, 2007, 08:53:49 AM
Masters didn't call anyone an icehole, so he's obviously just picking a fight.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 26, 2007, 09:17:29 AM
Masters didn't call anyone an icehole, so he's obviously just picking a fight.

Wrong, icehole.  FIGHT ME NOW!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 26, 2007, 09:53:45 AM
Just finished 'An Inconvenient Truth'. Was pretty much what I expected. An eye opener that shouldn't be ingnored. As for the above article saying it acts like a Gore campaign ad I agree. But that doesn't really bother me since I voted for him in 2000 and would gladly vote for him again.
The only real complaint anyone could lodge against that movie is the occasional jab Gore takes at the Chimp and his clan of corporate whores.

The backhanded slaps at Reagan, Bush Sr., and the current Whitehouse administration I felt were necessary. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: mussa on January 26, 2007, 11:02:57 AM
Exactly, these fargin pricks would rather rake in the dough and let the oil craze keep going til all hell breaks lose.  They'd rather keep you frightened of terrorists, so we could go after them in OIL RICH COUNTRIES.  Don't get me wrong, we need to take the fight to the enemy, but Iraq is a fargin joke. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 26, 2007, 11:27:38 AM
The one area I think Gore could have expanded on was giving solutions - even small ones. He leaves it up to the viewer to research climatecrisis.net (http://www.climatecrisis.net/), which I think is a mistake, considering most people are too lazy to do so.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 26, 2007, 11:30:50 AM
What about all the little blurbs at the end?  Turn off your lights when you aren't using them.  Carpool.  Buy a hybrid car.  Or a high mileage car.  Don't let the water run.  Unplug things that draw electricity for "standby" mode.  Etc.

If a hundred million Americans made small changes like that, the affect would be massive.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 26, 2007, 11:36:06 AM
200 years of those things, spread across the entire planet would be more than enough to warm the globe. But I'm sure that the slow process of heating up since the ice age just magically became more rapid over the past 200 years. Jesus is magic!

Not magic. Physics. That might appear as magic to the unwashed but that's why I'm here.
Wait, are you calling someone out for confusing science and magic?
Can we go over the dinosaurs being proof of jesus's existence again? I havn't laughed out loud yet this morning.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 26, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
Every light in my house is on, and every faucet is running.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 26, 2007, 11:39:47 AM
There's evidence that the globe has and will warm as we move away from the ice age

since no humans have ever lived thru or away from an ice age where does this evidence that you speak of come from

not saying it doesnt exist but could you provide a link

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What they found was that a catastrophic collapse of an Antarctic ice sheet dumped roughly one million cubic liters per second of freshwater into the southern oceans and caused a great water current that dramatically influenced climate.

By transporting warmer water to Europe and the North Atlantic, the region's climate was significantly heated, leading to a 1,000-year-long climatic shift known as the Bølling-Allerød warm interval. Once the process of warming the North started, the main deglaciation began and the ice age ended.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0317_030317_iceshelf.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0317_030317_iceshelf.html)

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: mussa on January 26, 2007, 11:40:29 AM
The one area I think Gore could have expanded on was giving solutions - even small ones. He leaves it up to the viewer to research climatecrisis.net (http://www.climatecrisis.net/), which I think is a mistake, considering most people are too lazy to do so.

My girl was bitching about that all during the movie.  "Well whats the fargin solution then Gore!"The thing is, we do know of things to do, go to that website and it gives you tips. Big changes can be made, but they need to be made in congress and with big business. The big guys need to make it a priority and the political slugs need to make it law. The sad thing is I have no faith in our politicians into getting this done anytime soon. So therefore we the people need to make changes, and also press the issue in anyway we can.  Look even if Gore is wrong on some things, going green will help us out in so many ways.  You can't deny the fact that pollution and waste is effecting the worlds overall well being, thats pretty much common sense.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 26, 2007, 11:42:27 AM
There's evidence that the globe has and will warm as we move away from the ice age

since no humans have ever lived thru or away from an ice age where does this evidence that you speak of come from

not saying it doesnt exist but could you provide a link

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I am a douchebag who thinks that jesus played house with dinosaurs. I am so vehement about this argument becuase I don't want to admit to myself that my actions may be having a negative effect on the planet




Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 26, 2007, 11:45:48 AM
I love how people who are otherwise hateful towards government all of a sudden cry "government needs to do something" when they face a subject that might require taking a little personal responsibility for their actions.  It's time to consume less, smarter, more deliberately.

For sure, government can and should be doing a lot more.  It could be a lot easier, for instance, for me to recycle my old computer.  I'm moving.  I called NYC and asked them what to do with this thing.  It's hazardous.  They said, put it on the curb.  We don't recycle.  I searched around...the best option is to pay to have it recycled.  Like $75 bucks with shipping.  farg that.

Despite the occasional sound byte on TV, don't for a second think that Big Business is gonna do shtein about this.  They'll do so only when government makes them do it, and then they'll cheat. 

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 26, 2007, 11:49:22 AM
I just replaced every bulb in my house with construction flood lights, 500 watts each.

You can see my house from space.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 26, 2007, 11:49:58 AM
200 years of those things, spread across the entire planet would be more than enough to warm the globe. But I'm sure that the slow process of heating up since the ice age just magically became more rapid over the past 200 years. Jesus is magic!

Not magic. Physics. That might appear as magic to the unwashed but that's why I'm here.
Wait, are you calling someone out for confusing science and magic?
Can we go over the dinosaurs being proof of jesus's existence again? I havn't laughed out loud yet this morning.

I don't know what you mean. I didn't say dinosaurs proved the existence of jesus.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 26, 2007, 11:50:50 AM
Jesus killed the dinosaurs with styrofoam spears.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 26, 2007, 11:54:08 AM
What about all the little blurbs at the end?  Turn off your lights when you aren't using them.  Carpool.  Buy a hybrid car.  Or a high mileage car.  Don't let the water run.  Unplug things that draw electricity for "standby" mode.  Etc.

If a hundred million Americans made small changes like that, the affect would be massive.

Yeah, I read em. Just felt he could have emphasized some solutions a little more in the actual film. It wouldn't have been hard to cut out some of his childhood memories out to make room. Its not like I'm sitting here thinking up ways I can pitch in to help the environment, I'm ignorant to a degree but I'm not wasteful.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 26, 2007, 11:56:43 AM
200 years of those things, spread across the entire planet would be more than enough to warm the globe. But I'm sure that the slow process of heating up since the ice age just magically became more rapid over the past 200 years. Jesus is magic!

Not magic. Physics. That might appear as magic to the unwashed but that's why I'm here.
Wait, are you calling someone out for confusing science and magic?
Can we go over the dinosaurs being proof of jesus's existence again? I havn't laughed out loud yet this morning.

I don't know what you mean. I didn't say dinosaurs proved the existence of jesus.
F U for making me go back and look for it:
"No. I think the evidence suggests that the global distribution fossils could only occur by events described in the Bible. Far from dinosaur, or any other, fossils being a trick, they corroborate the testimony of the Scripture. The fossil record is a defense"

You are a idiot.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 26, 2007, 11:58:03 AM
By transporting warmer water to Europe and the North Atlantic, the region's climate was significantly heated, leading to a 1,000-year-long climatic shift known as the Bølling-Allerød warm interval. Once the process of warming the North started, the main deglaciation began and the ice age ended.

that 1000 year shift happened 14,000 years ago

i want the evidence that we are NOW in a natural global warming period due to us being X amount of years away from an ice age as opposed to human global warming as you proclaimed
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 26, 2007, 11:59:12 AM
200 years of those things, spread across the entire planet would be more than enough to warm the globe. But I'm sure that the slow process of heating up since the ice age just magically became more rapid over the past 200 years. Jesus is magic!

Not magic. Physics. That might appear as magic to the unwashed but that's why I'm here.
Wait, are you calling someone out for confusing science and magic?
Can we go over the dinosaurs being proof of jesus's existence again? I havn't laughed out loud yet this morning.

I don't know what you mean. I didn't say dinosaurs proved the existence of jesus.
F U for making me go back and look for it:
"No. I think the evidence suggests that the global distribution fossils could only occur by events described in the Bible. Far from dinosaur, or any other, fossils being a trick, they corroborate the testimony of the Scripture. The fossil record is a defense"

You are a idiot.


Where is there a claim that dinosaurs prove the existence of jesus? Try again.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Quasimoto on January 26, 2007, 12:03:48 PM
No one can deny this photographic evidence of Jesus riding a dinosaur. 

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-11/1112902/JesusDino.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 26, 2007, 12:07:19 PM
By transporting warmer water to Europe and the North Atlantic, the region's climate was significantly heated, leading to a 1,000-year-long climatic shift known as the Bølling-Allerød warm interval. Once the process of warming the North started, the main deglaciation began and the ice age ended.

that 1000 year shift happened 14,000 years ago

i want the evidence that we are NOW in a natural global warming period due to us being X amount of years away from an ice age as opposed to human global warming as you proclaimed


It does show that the globe warmed and ended the ice age long before humans burned fossil fuels. Therefore, the current deglaciation is not proof of human agents cause because something similar has happened in the recent past.

Besides, there are much larger forces at work and human created CO2 is the least, even marginal.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 26, 2007, 12:10:39 PM
god is a killer from the start.....why you think noah had to build his ark...and god is a man from his feet to his hair...why you think they say aMEN after each and every prayer....i just stare at the church man....spendin more money on the church band

believe it one day these babies will uprise....much more than bowties bean pies and kickin knowledge at the 7-11....and they wont call me a ni***r when i get to heaven
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 26, 2007, 12:12:11 PM
By transporting warmer water to Europe and the North Atlantic, the region's climate was significantly heated, leading to a 1,000-year-long climatic shift known as the Bølling-Allerød warm interval. Once the process of warming the North started, the main deglaciation began and the ice age ended.

that 1000 year shift happened 14,000 years ago

i want the evidence that we are NOW in a natural global warming period due to us being X amount of years away from an ice age as opposed to human global warming as you proclaimed


It does show that the globe warmed and ended the ice age long before humans burned fossil fuels. Therefore, the current deglaciation is not proof of human agents cause because something similar has happened in the recent past.

Besides, there are much larger forces at work and human created CO2 is the least, even marginal.

First of all, Quasi - Greatest picture ever.

2nd, don't you deniers all feel much more secure being in the same boat with Event horizon here?
You should all start your own little anti-evolution messageboard. Or maybe a new flat-earth society! That would fill the days quite nicely... so lonely...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 26, 2007, 12:13:50 PM
Just felt he could have emphasized some solutions a little more in the actual film. It wouldn't have been hard to cut out some of his childhood memories out to make room.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 26, 2007, 01:03:10 PM
It does show that the globe warmed and ended the ice age long before humans burned fossil fuels. Therefore, the current deglaciation is not proof of human agents cause because something similar has happened in the recent past.

Besides, there are much larger forces at work and human created CO2 is the least, even marginal.

350,000 years

(http://www.killerinourmidst.com/grafix/Rahmstorf.gif)

Yes, it is cyclic.  No, the current trend is not typical of the cycle.  (Hint: the red line is the "oh shtein" part of this graph)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: mussa on January 26, 2007, 01:24:10 PM
Global warming is not true! Lets keep raping the world of its oil and other precious commodities! Lets keeping going to war for them and spending billions of dollars, killing people and wasting wasting wasting! Screw the green people, all they want to do is take away your ford f450, have gay sex and hook up your daughters with black men who have aids. They don't even believe in JESUS! The world wasn't created millions of years ago! Dinosaurs lived freely with man, in harmoney. Silly non-believers. Go turn on the 700 club and fox news and start soaking it in.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 26, 2007, 01:36:38 PM
Yes, it is cyclic.  No, the current trend is not typical of the cycle.  (Hint: the red line is the "oh shtein" part of this graph)

It's not typical of the cycles implied on that graph. But it's hard to say that there isn't some larger cycle superimposed on the whole process that is way beyond the scale of that data.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on January 26, 2007, 02:00:56 PM
In the end we're all just a bunch of global monkeys fighting for territory...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 26, 2007, 04:05:56 PM
It's not typical of the cycles implied on that graph. But it's hard to say that there isn't some larger cycle superimposed on the whole process that is way beyond the scale of that data.

I agree, but

a) it debunks the "it happend 1000 years ago" theory
b) One would think that there would be a more gradual upward trend (each cycle sitting a bit higher on the scale), rather than a sudden spike.
c) Yes, correlation is not causality.  Still, this is not something that should be dismissed out of hand.

For me the fundamental question is, are the things I'm being asked to do to address global warming unreasonable?  Does it make sense to conserve energy?  Does it make sense to reduce fossil fuel consumption?  Does it make sense to make more efficient use of the fossil fuels I do use?  Does it make sense to reuse and recycle?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 26, 2007, 04:29:03 PM
Here's how the Human caused global warming idea is a myth. Yes, a myth. The "scientists" who propagate this myth are dishonest pawns of a political agenda. Listening to the Al Gore crowd, you get the impression, no let me rephrase that, they come right out and tell you that man made CO2 is causing a dangerous warming of the atmosphere. They'll say the greenhouse gases which cause climate change are about like this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Mighty1ofJacob/image267.gif)

Wow, difficult to argue with that, isn't it? 99.4%. If CO2 is driving the warming and human levels of CO2 pollutants have risen, it must be man made warming. But then there is that part in parentheses "(except water vapor)", ummmmmmm.

Let's see what a graph looks like taking into account the greenhouse gas of water vapor.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Mighty1ofJacob/image269.gif)

Holy shtein! What is that? Do you mean to tell me that of all the greenhouse gases CO2 is only a small fraction? Well, yes. It's the truth. But there's more. That 3.618 % CO2 is not all man made. Care to guess what % that is? I bet you have a hunch it's small. You would be right.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/Mighty1ofJacob/image270b.gif)

3.225 %. That is tiny, people. It's like 0.28 % of all greenhouse effect has a human agent. This is a fact. How can intelligent people allow themselves to be duped like this? The idea that humans are causing global warming is a bald faced lie.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on January 26, 2007, 04:39:18 PM
I always thought the saying was "bold faced lie." 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 26, 2007, 04:41:33 PM
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The science of An Inconvenient Truth
... perhaps the least politicized source of information is the latest scientific summary of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(IPCC), a group of over 2000 scientists from 100 countries working under a mandate from the United Nations in the largest peer-reviewed scientific collaboration in history.

I'm going to believe these guys, thanks.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 26, 2007, 04:47:56 PM
I always thought the saying was "bold faced lie." 

So in internet lingo, wouldn't it simply be lie?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 26, 2007, 04:48:43 PM
i hope you die
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 26, 2007, 04:49:39 PM
That is a lie.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 26, 2007, 04:50:01 PM
The idea that humans are causing global warming is a bald faced lie.

BAN?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 27, 2007, 01:14:21 AM
No dammit!
I want to hear about how dinosaur fossils could only be caused by events as described in the scripture!
Does no one else want to hear crazy check explain that one?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 27, 2007, 03:43:27 AM
No dammit!
I want to hear about how dinosaur fossils could only be caused by events as described in the scripture!
Does no one else want to hear crazy check explain that one?

You get a gold star for attention to detail.

Let us proceed with a question: From whence comes the volume of sediments which buried trillions of organisms (fossils) spanning the globe? Let me give you a hint: Solve the question of how voluminous amounts of limestone is produced as needed to bury huge numbers of what would become fossils on a global scale? Notice, we're not talking about the fossils themselves. The material which makes them is at question. How is it produced and where did it come from?

Bone up, Indiana. This is going to be good.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 27, 2007, 09:10:06 AM
From whence comes the...

For those of you who care about these things...you don't start a sentence "from whence," because "whence" already means "from where," so "from whence" is like saying "from from where?"

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 27, 2007, 09:29:29 AM
I'd say this "Event Horizon" guy has bigger problems than grammar.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 27, 2007, 09:52:34 AM
Poor grammar is one thing.  Pretentious ignorance like this example is another. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 27, 2007, 10:49:49 AM
Dude, I am not going to 'bone up'. My local library doesn't have a christian nutjob reference section. I just want to hear you make more of that gibberish talk which you think is english.

You are trying to hint somehow that fossils could only have been buried by the flood as described in the bible.
Please, I just want you to lay out your whole theory. Do me a favor. Maybe you will convert me!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 27, 2007, 11:06:03 AM
Event Horizon reminds me of N_B.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: mussa on January 27, 2007, 11:12:27 AM
There is a series of videos about man and dinosaurs living together, to make you belive even morE! Go look it up methdeez nutz

HAIL SATAN
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 27, 2007, 01:40:10 PM
All I asked was for you to watch it and get back to me...you didn't. I understand you're at work, so watch it when you get home and let me know what you think.

Ok, watched it.  My reaction:

Here's (http://www.environmentaldefense.org/documents/611_ACF17F.htm) and equally persuasive and biased view of why the anti-recycling crowd has their heads up their asses.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 27, 2007, 01:51:47 PM
penn and teller are delusional libertarians and consider recycling to be a violation of their individual rights...they arent anti-recycling they are anti being told to recycle....basically they are a couple of dopes who cant be taken seriously
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 27, 2007, 01:54:02 PM
And here I thought they were trying to make a buck by televising sensationalist pseudo-reality bullshtein.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on January 27, 2007, 02:10:05 PM
Aluminum recycling is beneficial, and it in most cases is cheaper than extracting resources and using them to form those sorts of products, i.e. using less energy and other processing costs. And, as a result, there are a lot of corporations that run a nice profit on recycling aluminum and re-selling it to manufacturers. But recycling glass and plastic is pretty silly; the costs involved in reprocessing those materials wastes more energy, time, resources, and in most cases public monies. There is no net gain involved; you recycle glass and plastic, which is supposed to be good for the environment, but then you pour more pollutants into the environment through ways of collection, distribution, and re-processing of the damn things.

If someone wants to recycle non-profitable materials, go for it; but don't impose costs on me because doing so 'makes you feel good'. Let me opt out of it, and let the 'do-gooders' carry the tax burden to inefficiently produce products out of plastic and glass.

If recycling was so beneficial, and so cost efficient, we wouldn't need government to sponsor such programs. Governments are the most wasteful entities that exist, when it comes to providing services, because government is so unresponsive to price and other market incentives.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 27, 2007, 03:27:12 PM
Aluminum recycling is beneficial, and it in most cases is cheaper than extracting resources and using them to form those sorts of products, i.e. using less energy and other processing costs. And, as a result, there are a lot of corporations that run a nice profit on recycling aluminum and re-selling it to manufacturers. But recycling glass and plastic is pretty silly; the costs involved in reprocessing those materials wastes more energy, time, resources, and in most cases public monies. There is no net gain involved; you recycle glass and plastic, which is supposed to be good for the environment, but then you pour more pollutants into the environment through ways of collection, distribution, and re-processing of the damn things.

If someone wants to recycle non-profitable materials, go for it; but don't impose costs on me because doing so 'makes you feel good'. Let me opt out of it, and let the 'do-gooders' carry the tax burden to inefficiently produce products out of plastic and glass.

If recycling was so beneficial, and so cost efficient, we wouldn't need government to sponsor such programs. Governments are the most wasteful entities that exist, when it comes to providing services, because government is so unresponsive to price and other market incentives.



Thanks z, you summed it up nicely and saved me the time of writing a rebuttal.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 27, 2007, 03:31:42 PM
Despite the lucidity of Eaglez' remarks, he obviously can't be trusted, like me, because he leans slightly to the right.  As you know, that automatically makes us both bad for the environment and probably sheep-fargers.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 27, 2007, 05:13:45 PM
Despite the lucidity of Eaglez' remarks, he obviously can't be trusted, like me, because he leans slightly to the right

well said
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MURP on January 27, 2007, 05:48:45 PM
Penn and Teller are great.  Ever see their bottled water episode?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 27, 2007, 06:17:51 PM
Penn and Teller are great.  Ever see their bottled water episode?

One of my favorite. "You can taste the minerals in this one"
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on January 27, 2007, 06:32:29 PM
It's better than drinking the Kool-Aid, FF.

All anyone is asking is to consider the costs involved and whether, in the end, it truly is beneficial both economically and environmentally. Since there are many studies documenting that recycling certain products impose higher costs  economicially and provide no benefit environmentally, I don't see why those products have to be regulated as a 'public good'.

There is a need for some government intervention to regulate negative externalities in the environment and to provide public goods due to free rider problems (like the military and law enforcement), but there is no need for government sponsored recycling programs. The profitability of aluminum cans should be a sufficent incentive for people to save and recycle them, and that can be done in the free market -- not through government bureaucracies.

If all the recycling zealots want to pool their resources together and create little hippy co-ops for glass and plastic, be my guest; I'm sure there are some rich hippy philanthropists that would fund the project. Just don't do it with my money. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on January 27, 2007, 07:08:05 PM


There is a need for some government intervention to regulate negative externalities in the environment and to provide public goods due to free rider programs (like the military and law enforcement), but there is no need for government sponsored recycling programs. The profitability of aluminum cans should be a sufficent incentive for people to save and recycle them, and that can be done in the free market -- not through government bureaucracies.

Last year I installed vinyl siding and replacement windows in three houses that had aluminum siding on them before hand. You can make enough money on the aluminum were you don't even have to charge customers for tearing it off. Cans, or clean aluminum was going for over 50 cents a pound 5 months ago. I was getting 38 cents a pound for the siding and old storm windows. One house netted $300.00 bucks for around a half a days work for two head. Minus hauling.  And that was a small 1200 sq. ft. rancher. $150 a piece, for 4 hours work, thats $37.50 an hour. I'll take it.

I recycle everything. From the cardboard that the new siding comes in, to the soda bottles we drink on the job. I have trash cans for everything. The guys at the landfill get upset when you don't recycle. Besides, you don't have to pay any fees if what you have doesn't get buried, so it really doesn't make sense not to do it.

Only thing is, my way of hauling all that stuff is by no means good for the enviroment, (Dio will tell you that) But I don't have much choice. You can't haul a 10,000 lb. (load capacity) dump trailer around in a hybrid. I'm not going to pretend to know what is causing globle warming, wether it's natural or man made. I don't think it should make a difference anyway. People should still be concious of the environment. But all this talk about SUV's and everything, I mean, what about Semi's and such? I live 3 miles from US RT. 50, probably one of the most traveled roads on the eastern seaboard. I'll would guess that 30 to 35 percent of the traffic on that road is sitting on 10 or 18 wheels. All these big ass diesel trucks, and well as diesel pickups, SUV's and cars, have no emmisions testing!! Not tell me what the farg is up with that?? Why aren't Al and co. going after the greater evil here?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MURP on January 27, 2007, 07:55:41 PM
Shore,  there are emissions tests in Philly for cars and such.  I dont know how many cities/states are involved in that though. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 27, 2007, 08:05:18 PM
It's better than drinking the Kool-Aid, FF.

Amen.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on January 28, 2007, 09:54:40 AM
Shore,  there are emissions tests in Philly for cars and such.  I dont know how many cities/states are involved in that though. 

For those little diesel VW Rabbit's and Mercedes? In Maryland, no desiel vehicle has emmisions testing. Not that it would probably make much difference. Even burning clean, those things belch out some terrible fumes.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on January 28, 2007, 10:02:35 AM
I feel like this, with the way technology is going, I would say that in our lifetime we will see more personal cars that run on electric , or something else, like hydrogen, than you will see still running on gas. Look how far technology has come in just 100 years. It's gonna' happen. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 28, 2007, 02:22:45 PM
In Florida, there is no emissions testing or inspection of passenger vehicles at all.  I cannot speak for commercial vehicles, as it is beyond my area of knowledge.

Supposedly, the police can stop a car at any time for an "inspection," but I've never heard of it actually happening.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 28, 2007, 02:25:45 PM
Dude, I am not going to 'bone up'. My local library doesn't have a christian nutjob reference section. I just want to hear you make more of that gibberish talk which you think is english.

You are trying to hint somehow that fossils could only have been buried by the flood as described in the bible.
Please, I just want you to lay out your whole theory. Do me a favor. Maybe you will convert me!

Care to answer the question?

I don't care to convert you. I am prepared to defend what I believe.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 29, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
Care to answer the question?

I don't care to convert you. I am prepared to defend what I believe.

The problem is, when you believe in magic, there is nothing science can say to convince you - any rational reasoning and physical evidence can be overcome by the "god made it that way" argument.

Yay confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)...
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Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 29, 2007, 10:47:16 AM
Yay confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)...
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Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.

That's the way all evidence/information works when there are two sides to an argument, including this one.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 29, 2007, 10:51:19 AM
That's the way all evidence/information works when there are two sides to an argument

not arguments that involve religion
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 29, 2007, 10:52:09 AM
Yes, even those, whether you think it makes any sense or not.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 29, 2007, 10:52:32 AM
The problem is, when you believe in magic, there is nothing science can say to convince you - any rational reasoning and physical evidence can be overcome by the "god made it that way" argument.

Grand slam
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 29, 2007, 11:00:45 AM
Yes, even those, whether you think it makes any sense or not.

no because arguments that contain religion are basd on belief not evidence or fact
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 29, 2007, 11:03:28 AM
exactly...confirmation bias involves the preference for this evidence over that.

in discussions with superstitious people, there is no evidence.   their belief is cited as evidence, and that don't rate...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 29, 2007, 11:04:52 AM
Yay confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)...
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Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.

That's the way all evidence/information works when there are two sides to an argument, including this one.

Yes, this is why we have peer-reviewed science.  Science actively seeks critical review.  Science knows that it is inherently flawed, and wants to correct itself.  Religion / Dogma seeks to stifle criticism, and defend the status quo.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 29, 2007, 11:05:51 AM
Yes, this is why we have peer-reviewed science.  Science actively seeks critical review.  Science knows that it is inherently flawed, and wants to correct itself.  Religion / Dogma seeks to stifle criticism, and defend the status quo.

batting 1000
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 29, 2007, 11:25:00 AM
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Later this week in Paris, climate scientists will issue a dire forecast for the planet that warns of slowly rising sea levels and higher temperatures.

But that may be the sugarcoated version.

Early and changeable drafts of their upcoming authoritative report on climate change foresee smaller sea level rises than were projected in 2001 in the last report. Many top U.S. scientists reject these rosier numbers.

Those calculations don't include the recent, and dramatic, melt-off of big ice sheets in two crucial locations:

They "don't take into account the gorillas -- Greenland and Antarctica," said Ohio State University earth sciences professor Lonnie Thompson, a polar ice specialist. "I think there are unpleasant surprises as we move into the 21st century."

Michael MacCracken, who until 2001 coordinated the official U.S. government reviews of the international climate report on global warming, has fired off a letter of protest over the omission.

The melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are a fairly recent development that has taken scientists by surprise. They don't know how to predict its effects in their computer models. But many fear it will mean the world's coastlines are swamped much earlier than most predict.

Others believe the ice melt is temporary and won't play such a dramatic role.

That debate may be the central one as scientists and bureaucrats from around the world gather in Paris to finish the first of four major global warming reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The panel was created by the United Nations in 1988.

After four days of secret word-by-word editing, the final report will be issued Friday.

The early versions of the report predict that by 2100 the sea level will rise anywhere between 5 and 23 inches. That's far lower than the 20 to 55 inches forecast by 2100 in a study published in the peer-review journal Science this month. Other climate experts, including NASA's James Hansen, predict sea level rise that can be measured by feet more than inches.

The report is also expected to include some kind of proviso that says things could be much worse if ice sheets continue to melt.

The prediction being considered this week by the IPCC is "obviously not the full story because ice sheet decay is something we cannot model right now, but we know it's happening," said Stefan Rahmstorf, a climate panel lead author from Germany who made the larger prediction of up to 55 inches of sea level rise. "A document like that tends to underestimate the risk," he said.

"This will dominate their discussion because there's so much contentiousness about it," said Bob Corell, chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, a multinational research effort. "If the IPCC comes out with significantly less than one meter (about 39 inches of sea level rise), there will be people in the science community saying we don't think that's a fair reflection of what we know."

In the past, the climate change panel didn't figure there would be large melt of ice in west Antarctica and Greenland this century and didn't factor it into the predictions. Those forecasts were based only on the sea level rise from melting glaciers (which are different from ice sheets) and the physical expansion of water as it warms.

But in 2002, Antarctica's 1,255-square-mile Larsen B ice shelf broke off and disappeared in just 35 days. And recent NASA data shows that Greenland is losing 53 cubic miles of ice each year -- twice the rate it was losing in 1996.

Even so, there are questions about how permanent the melting in Greenland and especially Antarctica are, said panel lead author Kevin Trenberth, chief of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado.

While he said the melting ice sheets "raise a warning flag," Trenberth said he wonders if "some of this might just be temporary."

University of Alabama at Huntsville professor John Christy said Greenland didn't melt much within the past thousand years when it was warmer than now. Christy, a reviewer of the panel work, is a prominent so-called skeptic. He acknowledges that global warming is real and man-made, but he believes it is not as worrisome as advertised.

Those scientists who say sea level will rise even more are battling a consensus-building structure that routinely issues scientifically cautious global warming reports, scientists say.

The IPCC reports have to be unanimous, approved by 154 governments -- including the United States and oil-rich countries such as Saudi Arabia -- and already published peer-reviewed research done before mid-2006.

Rahmstorf, a physics and oceanography professor at Potsdam University in Germany, says, "In a way, it is one of the strengths of the IPCC to be very conservative and cautious and not overstate any climate change risk."

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 29, 2007, 11:35:56 AM
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WASHINGTON (AP) --

University of Alabama at Huntsville professor John Christy said Greenland didn't melt much within the past thousand years when it was warmer than now. Christy, a reviewer of the panel work, is a prominent so-called skeptic. He acknowledges that global warming is real and man-made, but he believes it is not as worrisome as advertised.

An editor needs to be fired over this.  How can the farging AP claim to be an unbiased news agency when it shows such blatant bias.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 29, 2007, 01:29:40 PM
Care to answer the question?

I don't care to convert you. I am prepared to defend what I believe.

The problem is, when you believe in magic, there is nothing science can say to convince you - any rational reasoning and physical evidence can be overcome by the "god made it that way" argument.

Yay confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)...
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Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.

We could leave religion out of the discussion entirely. Beginning with one basic assumption, the hydroplate theroy's (Dr. Walt Brown)subterranean water and applying only the laws of physics, many scientific questions can be answered including the one you refuse.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 29, 2007, 01:36:20 PM
We could leave religion out of the discussion entirely. Beginning with one basic assumption, the hydroplate theroy's (Dr. Walt Brown) subterranean water and applying only the laws of physics, many scientific questions can be answered including the one you refuse.

You mean the creationist Walt Brown?  This guy? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Brown_%28creationist%29)  Ha.

I thought you were gonna leave superstition out entirely?

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 29, 2007, 01:40:51 PM
We could leave religion out of the discussion entirely. Beginning with one basic assumption, the hydroplate theroy's (Dr. Walt Brown)subterranean water and applying only the laws of physics, many scientific questions can be answered including the one you refuse.

There is no question that there have been a number of massive flood events around the world.  Further, a large number of religions and cultures have flood myths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth) very similar in content to the Noah story.   I simply refute that the event described in the old testament is historical fact, and not a creative re-telling of already ancient myths.

Please grow up or go away.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 29, 2007, 01:48:05 PM
We could leave religion out of the discussion entirely. Beginning with one basic assumption, the hydroplate theroy's (Dr. Walt Brown) subterranean water and applying only the laws of physics, many scientific questions can be answered including the one you refuse.

You mean the creationist Walt Brown?  This guy? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Brown_%28creationist%29)  Ha.

I thought you were gonna leave superstition out entirely?



That's him. You can read his book for yourself instead of just a Wiki blurb. http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/ (http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 29, 2007, 01:50:13 PM
Flat earth society.
Had plenty of 'respectable' scientists.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 29, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
Yeah, I'll get right on that.  Just after I finish this one about how to find the unicorns by unlocking my suppressed powers of invisibility.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 29, 2007, 01:51:39 PM
Just after I finish this one about how to find the unicorns by unlocking my suppressed powers of invisibility.

That's pretty much common knowledge, though.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 29, 2007, 01:53:34 PM
Duh. You just have to belive enough.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 29, 2007, 02:29:17 PM
We could leave religion out of the discussion entirely. Beginning with one basic assumption, the hydroplate theroy's (Dr. Walt Brown)subterranean water and applying only the laws of physics, many scientific questions can be answered including the one you refuse.

There is no question that there have been a number of massive flood events around the world.  Further, a large number of religions and cultures have flood myths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth) very similar in content to the Noah story.   I simply refute that the event described in the old testament is historical fact, and not a creative re-telling of already ancient myths.

Please grow up or go away.

How do you explain the universal idea of a global flood? How could so many cultures have such similar stories? Could they all have a single source? Besides, the question should be whether or not there is any evidence of a global flood. Brown describes how a global flood could have happened and predicts several findings based on his assumption. For example, based on the idea that comets, meteoroids and asteroids are from the Earth, he predicted in 2001 that Salt  would be found in erosion channels on Mars. It was confirmed in 2004.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 29, 2007, 02:42:11 PM
nm
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 29, 2007, 02:42:30 PM
Wait, comets, meteoroids & asteroids came from the Earth?

 :-D

Oh my...

 :-D  :-D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 29, 2007, 02:51:33 PM
if this discussion was about anything else this guy would clearly be labeled a parody poster...unfortunately being a zealout nutcase is all too real these days
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 29, 2007, 03:09:57 PM
Wait, comets, meteoroids & asteroids came from the Earth?

 :-D

Oh my...

 :-D  :-D

They did. Explain how living bacteria, salt crystals, chondrules, limestone, water and maybe cellulose is found in meteorites. None of these could have been produced in outer space. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 29, 2007, 03:24:17 PM
Stop polluting my thread dickbag.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on January 29, 2007, 03:25:42 PM
The Earth itself was technically produced in outer space.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 29, 2007, 03:28:22 PM
I still believe in a Geocentric universe.

This means I believe Geowhizzer is the center of the universe.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 29, 2007, 03:32:21 PM
They did. Explain how living bacteria, salt crystals, chondrules, limestone, water and maybe cellulose is found in meteorites. None of these could have been produced in outer space. 

Please don't try to make him stop Dio. This is some of the funniest shtien I've read on this board in a long, long time.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/Walt_Brown_%28creationist%29.jpg)
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One key element of Brown's hydroplates proposal is that when water shot out from under the Earth it blew rock from underground into the solar system and made the comets. This idea is not supported by any evidence from astronomy or planetary science.
Hilarious.



P.S. Dio: Use gasoline to clean your trans cases. Leave them to soak over night and they'll look brand new after some light brushing. Gasoline is an awesome solvent. When you're done, strain the gas and use it in one of your bikes.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 29, 2007, 03:59:57 PM
The Earth itself was technically produced in outer space.

That's true. It also happens to be the only planet with liquid water and enough heat at the same time to produce the compositions found in meteoroids. Where does the water and heat come from if not from Earth?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 29, 2007, 04:01:45 PM
I still believe in a Geocentric universe.

This means I believe Geowhizzer is the center of the universe.

I'd buy that before I'd buy the line of xenophobic idiocy that Event Horizon is trying to sell us.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 29, 2007, 04:30:38 PM
That's true. It also happens to be the only planet with liquid water and enough heat at the same time to produce the compositions found in meteoroids. Where does the water and heat come from if not from Earth?

The only planet?  On how many planets have we taken an inventory?  And why does the water have to be liquid?  Oh, and BTW:

Venus has water vapor in its atmosphere.
Europa has liquid water under its crust of ice.

...and that's just in this solar system. 

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One key element of Brown's hydroplates proposal is that when water shot out from under the Earth it blew rock from underground into the solar system and made the comets. This idea is not supported by any evidence from astronomy or planetary science.

Peer.  Reviewed. Science. 

But that's not where the scientists say the comets come from - they come from the Kuiper Belt (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261_1.html).  I know your buddy doesn't believe in the Kuiper belt.  Maybe taking a look at what the Hubble telescope has found might help.  Or maybe he should just have a little faith.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 29, 2007, 04:45:32 PM
Just when I thought this discussion couldn't get any stranger...   :-D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 29, 2007, 05:18:48 PM
That's true. It also happens to be the only planet with liquid water and enough heat at the same time to produce the compositions found in meteoroids. Where does the water and heat come from if not from Earth?

The only planet?  On how many planets have we taken an inventory?  And why does the water have to be liquid?  Oh, and BTW:

Venus has water vapor in its atmosphere.
Europa has liquid water under its crust of ice.

...and that's just in this solar system. 

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One key element of Brown's hydroplates proposal is that when water shot out from under the Earth it blew rock from underground into the solar system and made the comets. This idea is not supported by any evidence from astronomy or planetary science.

Peer.  Reviewed. Science. 

But that's not where the scientists say the comets come from - they come from the Kuiper Belt (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261_1.html).  I know your buddy doesn't believe in the Kuiper belt.  Maybe taking a look at what the Hubble telescope has found might help.  Or maybe he should just have a little faith.

Bacteria can only form in liquid water and it must have a warm source to sustain it. Venus and Europa are not candidates. Neither are the cold regions of space where comets are supposed to have come.

Brown stated that a Oort cloud isn't observed. Your quote hasn't changed that at all.
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The Oort cloud has not been observed directly



Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on January 29, 2007, 05:51:45 PM
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Most scientists today believe that the planets in our solar system formed 4 1/2 billion years ago as the final results of several series of collisions between much smaller objects a few miles across, called planetesimals. Not all the planetesimals -- which themselves were formed by collisions between smaller particles -- ended up in planets, however. Some of these planetesimals were primarily made up of rocky and metallic substances, and the leftovers of these are what we call "asteroids" today. Some of the other planetesimals were made up primarily of water ice and other frozen liquids or gases -- collectively, these are referred to as "volatiles" -- and today we call the leftovers of these "comets."

There is a theory that life on earth came from space 'bacteria'.

Fear the power of the Wiki....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 29, 2007, 06:30:31 PM
My jaw is literally on the floor after reading Event Horizon's posts.

Meteorites, comets and asteroids come from Earth? There are no other planets with water on them?

What the farg?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 29, 2007, 06:36:51 PM
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Most scientists today believe that the planets in our solar system formed 4 1/2 billion years ago as the final results of several series of collisions between much smaller objects a few miles across, called planetesimals. Not all the planetesimals -- which themselves were formed by collisions between smaller particles -- ended up in planets, however. Some of these planetesimals were primarily made up of rocky and metallic substances, and the leftovers of these are what we call "asteroids" today. Some of the other planetesimals were made up primarily of water ice and other frozen liquids or gases -- collectively, these are referred to as "volatiles" -- and today we call the leftovers of these "comets."

There is a theory that life on earth came from space 'bacteria'.

Fear the power of the Wiki....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia)

That's a good point. Because there is an obvious existence of bacterial life in comets, there are three possibilities- the bacterial life in comets "seeded" life on Earth, the bacterial life in comets came from Earth or there are separate causes. Each should be considered. 1 and 3 are similar because you need a source outside what we observe on Earth- explain how they survived -450 F of outer space to get to Earth- good luck. 2 has it's answer in the hydroplate theory. This same theory then goes on to explain:

Mid-Oceanic Ridge
Grand Canyon and others.
Pacific Trenches
Salt Domes
Continental Shelves and Slopes
Frozen Mammoths
Ice Age
Over Thrusts
Plateaus
Limestone
Metamorphic Rock
Layered Fossils
Mountain Ranges
Volcanoes
Methane Hydrates
Coal and Oil
Geothermal Heat
and others....

Is there another theory out there with one basic assumption that systematically answers so many questions? Find one. You may think it's a bunch of crap. It may be. I challenge you to read it. At worst you will get a good laugh.


Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 29, 2007, 07:22:31 PM
Dude, Aspergillis is a deadly strain of fungus.  It can survive being autoclaved - that being placed in an evacuated steam bath under 5-6 atmospheres of pressure - in it's spore form.  There is bacteria known to thrive at the bottom of the ocean.

And the only reason all life on Earth depends on water is because the Earth is mostly water.  You see, if life can get started on another planet made mostly of, say methane, it will adapt to survive in that environment.  The only reason we think life requires water is because we haven't seen any that doesn't.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 29, 2007, 07:48:13 PM
Dude, Aspergillis is a deadly strain of fungus.  It can survive being autoclaved - that being placed in an evacuated steam bath under 5-6 atmospheres of pressure - in it's spore form.  There is bacteria known to thrive at the bottom of the ocean.

And the only reason all life on Earth depends on water is because the Earth is mostly water.  You see, if life can get started on another planet made mostly of, say methane, it will adapt to survive in that environment.  The only reason we think life requires water is because we haven't seen any that doesn't.

Do you mean to suggest that we should trust that things occur even though they defy the laws of physics? Sounds like magic. Sorry, Aspergillus doesn't defy any law.

Comets are claimed to originate from beyond Pluto. Can you describe how bacteria could generate and survive to Earth in the vacuum of space at the outer reaches of the Solar System?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 29, 2007, 08:13:50 PM
You guys are all missing the big point.
Event, even if your shtein is true, what does that have to do with the bible?
Didn't you say yourself that many many religions have flood myths?
What makes you think that your myth is the right one? Many, many of those myths pre-date judaism and almost all pre-date JC.

Even if all your wacky shtein is correct, how do you know that the big flood wasn't caused by the great turtle when he formed man out of red clay?

You don't. Listen man, it's cool that you have your beliefs to help you in your life. More power to you. But don't think that it's science. And don't think that science is going to somehow prove your myth is more true than any of the other 100,000 or so religions that exist on this planet. Just be happy with it.

One of my biggest beefs with Christians is that they are always trying to ram thier shtein down everyone else's throat. I know feeling that you are in a special club and everyone else will be punished foreevr b/c they didn't join makes you feel good, but just leave us alone!

Let us dance! Let us drink! Let gay people be happy! Let people take thier own lives in the manner of thier choosing! Let science cure diesases! Stop starting wars to kill brown people! Why don't you do like the mormons and start your own little state and you can make up all the crazy rules you want.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 29, 2007, 09:08:14 PM
I still believe in a Geocentric universe.

This means I believe Geowhizzer is the center of the universe.


That's funny... I teach 150 teenagers that are absolutely convinced that they are the center of the universe.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 29, 2007, 09:43:58 PM
I am willing to bet a pile of money that Stephen Hawking privately refers to Walter Brown as the "gimp".

The Earth shteinting comets and asteroids stuff was funny for awhile, in a kind of point and laugh at the retard way , but maybe we could steer this back to the original topic.

I just got done watching An Inconvenient Truth, after a lot of suggestions to do so in this thread. Excellently done. Tomorrow I may start researching how I can stop being such an RJS to the environment.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 29, 2007, 11:01:37 PM
I am willing to bet a pile of money that Stephen Hawking privately refers to Walter Brown as the "gimp".

lol
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on January 29, 2007, 11:21:50 PM
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Most scientists today believe that the planets in our solar system formed 4 1/2 billion years ago as the final results of several series of collisions between much smaller objects a few miles across, called planetesimals. Not all the planetesimals -- which themselves were formed by collisions between smaller particles -- ended up in planets, however. Some of these planetesimals were primarily made up of rocky and metallic substances, and the leftovers of these are what we call "asteroids" today. Some of the other planetesimals were made up primarily of water ice and other frozen liquids or gases -- collectively, these are referred to as "volatiles" -- and today we call the leftovers of these "comets."

There is a theory that life on earth came from space 'bacteria'.

Fear the power of the Wiki....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia)

That's a good point. Because there is an obvious existence of bacterial life in comets, there are three possibilities- the bacterial life in comets "seeded" life on Earth, the bacterial life in comets came from Earth or there are separate causes. Each should be considered. 1 and 3 are similar because you need a source outside what we observe on Earth- explain how they survived -450 F of outer space to get to Earth- good luck. 2 has it's answer in the hydroplate theory. This same theory then goes on to explain:

Mid-Oceanic Ridge
Grand Canyon and others.
Pacific Trenches
Salt Domes
Continental Shelves and Slopes
Frozen Mammoths
Ice Age
Over Thrusts
Plateaus
Limestone
Metamorphic Rock
Layered Fossils
Mountain Ranges
Volcanoes
Methane Hydrates
Coal and Oil
Geothermal Heat
and others....

Is there another theory out there with one basic assumption that systematically answers so many questions? Find one. You may think it's a bunch of crap. It may be. I challenge you to read it. At worst you will get a good laugh.




All theories are 'assumtions' based on facts. There are some 'assumtions' that are much stronger then others. It is not 'faith' because scientifically we know that all assumtions can be disproven when more evidence becomes available.

Basically you have to be OK with not ever really knowing the answers. Some people just can't live with that. Those that can't live with that seem to have a penchant for making shtein up to shove down the throat of others.

The point of my post though, is that we are ALL aliens.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 30, 2007, 05:45:15 AM
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Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on January 30, 2007, 06:08:03 AM
..........so......when does anyone think that someone will come up with a alternative fuel for a 500hp semi to haul a 45' trailer?

Pray to God for that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on January 30, 2007, 06:12:21 AM
Hydroelectric-powered maglev trains?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 30, 2007, 06:14:54 AM
Its called biodiesel - you can run a diesel on used fryer grease.  The problem is that vegtable oil is energy negative - costs more to make it than it produces.  Hopefully some of the other alternative energy sources can help defray that cost in the future.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 30, 2007, 08:07:17 AM
Plus, I'm not sure there is enough supply to handle the demand of a global switch-over to biodiesel.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 30, 2007, 08:20:59 AM
Plus, I'm not sure there is enough supply to handle the demand of a global switch-over to biodiesel.

I think that could change, with a shift from overproducing crops like corn and stopping the payment of farmers to not farm.

Further, we don't need to replace the entire oil market with biodiesel.  Smaller vehicles could run on E85 or Hydrogen fuel cells, etc.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 30, 2007, 08:32:10 AM
So long as there's a market for poisons such as High Fructose Corn Syrup, corn will be produced like it's going out of style.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on January 30, 2007, 11:44:22 AM
Another problem with BIO Diesel is it's performance in cold weather is worse then regular Diesel which gels at low temperatures. I think a clever engineer could come up with a work around for this though. My Diesel struggled a little this morning in the 10 degree weather as it is. Luckily I added some stuff to keep the fuel from becoming gelled though I can't drive to fast or the air on the fuel lines will cause the engine to stall.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 30, 2007, 12:49:08 PM
With the global warming, that shouldn't be an issue much longer, Phanatic.  :D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 30, 2007, 01:22:25 PM
Woohoo!

Has anybody seen the Sarah Silverman bit on global warming? Pretty funny stuff.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 30, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
BLAOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yO0ofFfnM


it is pretty funny


Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 30, 2007, 01:39:21 PM
found this one along side it too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1wogkDmLlQ
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 30, 2007, 01:39:34 PM
BLAOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yO0ofFfnM


it is pretty funny




i want to marry her
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 30, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
not sure this should go here but i dont care

this is amazing....a real life LOL

the state of the union one is classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhbPVrb5KM&mode=related&search=


the jon stewart stuff is just sad...stewart is a genius
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 30, 2007, 01:50:39 PM
the "fool me once"  is my all time favorite.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on January 30, 2007, 01:54:59 PM
Hydroelectric-powered maglev trains?

Those things are bad ass. No friction, no wear and tear, they can run for ever without hardly any maintenance. Who knows, maybe one day there will be a line of magnets on RT. 50.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on January 30, 2007, 02:03:40 PM
Its called biodiesel - you can run a diesel on used fryer grease.  The problem is that vegtable oil is energy negative - costs more to make it than it produces.  Hopefully some of the other alternative energy sources can help defray that cost in the future.

Used fryer grease burns cleaner than gas or diesel? I wouldn't know.

I know that there was a alternate fuel tried out in the 80's, called Gasohol, which was a corn oil based product I think. It was produced more to be able not to rely so much on foreign oil, rather than keeping the air clean. It was supposed to eventually be cheaper. I remember seeing gas pumps with an ear of corn on them! I didn't last long.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 30, 2007, 02:09:19 PM
Gasohol (a gasoline and ethanol blend) is currently being produced...and used. I know that Wawa uses the stuff, and I bet that Sheetz does, too. It's probably around more than you realize.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 30, 2007, 02:12:16 PM
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Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural; Not Caused By Human Activity
Tue Jan 30 2007 10:02:32 ET

Two powerful new books say today’s global warming is due not to human activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle. Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in March.

Singer and Avery note that most of the earth’s recent warming occurred before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2. Moreover, physical evidence shows 600 moderate warmings in the earth’s last million years. The evidence ranges from ancient Nile flood records, Chinese court documents and Roman wine grapes to modern spectral analysis of polar ice cores, deep seabed sediments, and layered cave stalagmites.

Unstoppable Global Warming shows the earth’s temperatures following variations in solar intensity through centuries of sunspot records, and finds cycles of sun-linked isotopes in ice and tree rings. The book cites the work of Svensmark, who says cosmic rays vary the earth’s temperatures by creating more or fewer of the low, wet clouds that cool the earth. It notes that global climate models can’t accurately register cloud effects.

The Chilling Stars relates how Svensmark’s team mimicked the chemistry of earth’s atmosphere, by putting realistic mixtures of atmospheric gases into a large reaction chamber, with ultraviolet light as a stand-in for the sun. When they turned on the UV, microscopic droplets—cloud seeds—started floating through the chamber.

“We were amazed by the speed and efficiency with which the electrons [generated by cosmic rays] do their work of creating the building blocks for the cloud condensation nuclei,” says Svensmark.

The Chilling Stars documents how cosmic rays amplify small changes in the sun’s irradiance fourfold, creating 1-2 degree C cycles in earth’s temperatures: Cosmic rays continually slam into the earth’s atmosphere from outer space, creating ion clusters that become seeds for small droplets of water and sulfuric acid. The droplets then form the low, wet clouds that reflect solar energy back into space. When the sun is more active, it shields the earth from some of the rays, clouds wane, and the planet warms.

Unstoppable Global Warming documents the reality of a moderate, natural, 1500-year climate cycle on the earth. The Chilling Stars explains the why and how.

The global warming nutjobs insist that we must destroy the worlds economy with their myth of anthropogenic causes for climate change even though the evidence continues to mount against such foolishness. Humans are like that, though. Give them a myth by which they feel good about turning over their lives to the elites. Salvation by segregating your trash and driving death traps.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on January 30, 2007, 02:22:43 PM
That world economy (backed by oil) will probably be destroyed by the 'War on terror' long before environmentalists have any say.

Over under on who gets it first, mankind or the world?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 30, 2007, 02:23:53 PM
The world did just fine without us for several billion years and will do just fine without us long after we're dust.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 30, 2007, 02:29:22 PM
Humans are like that, though. Give them a myth by which they feel good about turning over their lives to the elites. Salvation by segregating your trash and driving death traps.


ironic considering how many anti global warming people are creationists and have thus turned over their lives to the greatest myth the world has ever known
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 30, 2007, 03:16:23 PM
Humans are like that, though. Give them a myth by which they feel good about turning over their lives to the elites. Salvation by segregating your trash and driving death traps.


ironic considering how many anti global warming people are creationists and have thus turned over their lives to the greatest myth the world has ever known

Only the best for me and mine.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 30, 2007, 04:09:42 PM
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Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural; Not Caused By Human Activity
Tue Jan 30 2007 10:02:32 ET

Two powerful new books say today’s global warming is due not to human activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle. Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in March.

Singer and Avery note that most of the earth’s recent warming occurred before 1940, and thus before much human-emitted CO2. Moreover, physical evidence shows 600 moderate warmings in the earth’s last million years. The evidence ranges from ancient Nile flood records, Chinese court documents and Roman wine grapes to modern spectral analysis of polar ice cores, deep seabed sediments, and layered cave stalagmites.

Unstoppable Global Warming shows the earth’s temperatures following variations in solar intensity through centuries of sunspot records, and finds cycles of sun-linked isotopes in ice and tree rings. The book cites the work of Svensmark, who says cosmic rays vary the earth’s temperatures by creating more or fewer of the low, wet clouds that cool the earth. It notes that global climate models can’t accurately register cloud effects.

The Chilling Stars relates how Svensmark’s team mimicked the chemistry of earth’s atmosphere, by putting realistic mixtures of atmospheric gases into a large reaction chamber, with ultraviolet light as a stand-in for the sun. When they turned on the UV, microscopic droplets—cloud seeds—started floating through the chamber.

“We were amazed by the speed and efficiency with which the electrons [generated by cosmic rays] do their work of creating the building blocks for the cloud condensation nuclei,” says Svensmark.

The Chilling Stars documents how cosmic rays amplify small changes in the sun’s irradiance fourfold, creating 1-2 degree C cycles in earth’s temperatures: Cosmic rays continually slam into the earth’s atmosphere from outer space, creating ion clusters that become seeds for small droplets of water and sulfuric acid. The droplets then form the low, wet clouds that reflect solar energy back into space. When the sun is more active, it shields the earth from some of the rays, clouds wane, and the planet warms.

Unstoppable Global Warming documents the reality of a moderate, natural, 1500-year climate cycle on the earth. The Chilling Stars explains the why and how.

Let's talk about Fred Singer, one of the author's of the books referenced above:

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Environmentalists arguing against Singer's ideas say that he has a conflict of interest, i.e., financial ties to oil and tobacco companies [15], [16]. In 1993 APCO, a P.R. firm, sent a memo to Ellen Merlo, vice-president of Philip Morris, stating: "As you know, we have been working with Dr Fred Singer and Dr Dwight Lee, who have authored articles on junk science and indoor air quality (IAQ) respectively ..."[5]

The 1994 AdTI report was part of an attack on EPA regulation of environmental tobacco smoke funded by the Tobacco Institute.[17] Singer was also involved with the International Center for a Scientific Ecology [18], a group that was considered important in Philip Morris' plans to create a group in Europe similar to The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC). Singer is also a Research Fellow at the Independent Institute,[6] another recipient of Philip Morris and ExxonMobil funds.[7]
A nonsmoker himself, Singer serves on the Science Advisory Board of the American Council on Science and Health (ACSH)[8], which strongly opposes smoking but otherwise tends to support industry positions on health issues.

In a February 2001 letter to the Washington Post, Singer denied receiving funding from the oil industry, except for consulting work some 20 years prior. While funds were not directed to Singer in his name, publicly available documents show that Singer's non-profit corporation SEPP received multiple grants from ExxonMobil, including in 1998 and 2000.[9]
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 30, 2007, 04:16:55 PM
You mean a shill for the petroleum industry wrote a book "exposing" global warming as some sort of hysterical hoax perpetrated by looney liberals & communists posing as scientists?

I, for one, am stunned.


Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 30, 2007, 04:34:23 PM

Let's talk about Fred Singer, one of the author's of the books referenced above:
He's like the guy in Thank you for Smoking.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 30, 2007, 04:42:51 PM
BLAOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yO0ofFfnM


it is pretty funny




That's the one. Classic.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 30, 2007, 06:13:21 PM
Let's talk about Fred Singer, one of the author's of the books referenced above:

Are you suggesting that worthy opinions can only be presented when the funding for research comes from "approved" sources? The science is automatically bad simply because the funds supporting it come from interested parties? Don't be so silly. The vast majority of funds for research into a host of fields come from parties with a vested interest in what is learned. Anyone with a brain knows that funding sources don't carry the day. Science is science. Facts are facts. The problem that the anthropogenic priests in the church of global warming have against Singer and anyone else who dares to oppose their apologetic is that they won't conform to the gospel of greenies for gaia. By this "standard", Galileo's findings would be treated to an examination of his person and the science be damned.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on January 30, 2007, 06:20:17 PM
Quiet
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on January 30, 2007, 06:20:24 PM
Gasohol (a gasoline and ethanol blend) is currently being produced...and used. I know that Wawa uses the stuff, and I bet that Sheetz does, too. It's probably around more than you realize.

It probably is produced a lot more than I know. I stop at a Wawa at least twice a week and I've never seen it. Maybe it's not as prevelent in my area.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 30, 2007, 06:26:31 PM
Its making rounds Shore, Here in pper MD and newark,DE its nearly at every station.  The gas stations have to go thru a conversion period of about 3 days to a week of scrubbing the old tanks clean to get ready for E85. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 30, 2007, 07:02:28 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/30/congress.climate.ap/index.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Democratic chairman of a House panel examining the government's response to climate change said Tuesday there is evidence that senior Bush administration officials sought repeatedly "to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming."

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, said he and the top Republican on his oversight committee, Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, have sought documents from the administration on climate policy, but repeatedly been rebuffed.

"The committee isn't trying to obtain state secrets or documents that could affect our immediate national security," said Waxman, opening the hearing. "We are simply seeking answers to whether the White House's political staff is inappropriately censoring impartial government scientists."

"We know that the White House possesses documents that contain evidence of an attempt by senior administration officials to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming and minimize the potential danger," Waxman said.

Administration officials were not scheduled to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. In the past the White House has said it has only sought to inject balance into reports on climate change. Present Bush has acknowledged concerns about global warming, but strongly opposes mandatory caps of greenhouse gas emissions, arguing that approach would be too costly.

Waxman said his committee had not received documents it requested from the White House and other agencies, and that a handful of papers received on the eve of the hearing "add nothing to our inquiry."

Two private advocacy groups, meanwhile, presented to the panel a survey of government climate scientists showing that many of them say they have been subjected to political pressure aimed at downplaying the threat of global warming.

Survey: Scientists pressured to downplay threat

The groups presented a survey that shows two in five of the 279 climate scientists who responded to a questionnaire complained that some of their scientific papers had been edited in a way that changed their meaning. Nearly half of the 279 said in response to another question that at some point they had been told to delete reference to "global warming" or "climate change" from a report.

The questionnaire was sent by the Union of Concerned Scientists, a private advocacy group. The report also was based on "firsthand experiences" described in interviews with the Government Accountability Project, which helps government whistleblowers, lawmakers were told.

At the same time, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, sought to gauge her colleague's sentiment on climate change. She opened a meeting where senators were to express their views on global warming in advance of a broader set of hearings on the issue.

Among those scheduled to make comments were two presidential hopefuls -- Sens. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Barack Obama, D-Illinois. Both lawmakers favor mandatory reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, something opposed by President Bush, who argues such requirements would threaten economic growth.

U.N. climate change report expected soon

The intense interest about climate change comes as some 500 climate scientists gather in Paris this week to put the final touches on a United Nations report on how warming, as a result of a growing concentration of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, is likely to affect sea levels.

They agree sea levels will rise, but not on how much. Whatever the report says when it comes out at week's end, it is likely to influence the climate debate in Congress.

At the Waxman hearing, the two advocacy groups said their research -- based on the questionnaires, interviews and documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act -- revealed "evidence of widespread interference in climate science in federal agencies."

The groups report described largely anonymous claims by scientists that their findings at times at been misrepresented, that they had been pressured to change findings and had been restricted on what they were allowed to say publicly.

The survey involved scientists across the government from NASA and the Environmental Protection Agency to the department's of Agriculture, Energy, Commerce, Defense and Interior. In all the government employees more than 2,000 scientists who spend at least some of their time on climate issues, the report said.
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Post by: shorebird on January 30, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
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"The committee isn't trying to obtain state secrets or documents that could affect our immediate national security," said Waxman, opening the hearing. "We are simply seeking answers to whether the White House's political staff is inappropriately censoring impartial government scientists."

"We know that the White House possesses documents that contain evidence of an attempt by senior administration officials to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming and minimize the potential danger," Waxman said.

Thats no suprise to me. Bush wants us to not even think twice about how much fuel we use. He's padding his pockets big time. Gas prices have never been higher under any president than they were this summer. Then, after they make billions of dollars, they drop the price until it goes from over $3.00 a gallon to 2.06. No product, except seafood, has such a diverse price from month to month. Gas prices go up with demand. It borders on Communisum.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on January 30, 2007, 07:47:30 PM
Let us examine this statement by Waxman:

 
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"We know that the White House possesses documents that contain evidence of an attempt by senior administration officials to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming and minimize the potential danger," Waxman said.

Blasphemy! Renting of clothes and gnashing of teeth.

How dare anyone doubt the law of human caused global warming? Wait, it is a law, isn't it? A scientific law? Like the law of thermodynamics or the law of gravity? That well tested? Hardly!

Yet, to listen to Waxman, doubt is somehow evil, unacceptable, damnable trespass of sacred ground. WTF are we dealing with here, a religion? Questions in "science" are no longer permitted? Waxman is not protecting science. He is defending dogma.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 30, 2007, 07:56:52 PM
Comets come from Earth!11111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111111111111111!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on January 30, 2007, 08:57:52 PM
Renting of clothes...

 :-D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 31, 2007, 12:19:48 PM
Cerevant just got pwned by his own (new) Prime Minister:

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Harper's letter dismisses Kyoto as 'socialist scheme'
Last Updated: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 | 10:15 PM ET
CBC News

Prime Minister Stephen Harper once called the Kyoto accord a "socialist scheme" designed to suck money out of rich countries, according to a letter leaked Tuesday by the Liberals.

The letter, posted on the federal Liberal party website, was apparently written by Harper in 2002, when he was leader of the now-defunct Canadian Alliance party.

He was writing to party supporters, asking for money as he prepared to fight then-prime minister Jean Chrétien on the proposed Kyoto accord.

"We're gearing up now for the biggest struggle our party has faced since you entrusted me with the leadership," Harper's letter says.

"I'm talking about the 'battle of Kyoto' — our campaign to block the job-killing, economy-destroying Kyoto accord."

The accord is an international environmental pact that sets targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Canada officially ratified the accord Dec. 17, 2002, under Chrétien's Liberal government. Harper's Conservative government, which took power January 2006, has since been accused of ignoring the accord.

Harper's letter goes on to outline why he's against the agreement.

Accord based on 'contradictory' data: Harper

He writes that it's based on "tentative and contradictory scientific evidence" and it focuses on carbon dioxide, which is "essential to life."

He says Kyoto requires that Canada make significant cuts in emissions, while countries like Russia, India and China face less of a burden.

Under Kyoto, Canada was required to reduce emissions by six per cent by 2012, while economies in transition, like Russia, were allowed to choose different base years.

"Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations," Harper's letter reads.

He said the accord would cripple the oil and gas industries, which are essential to Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia.

He wrote in the letter that he would do everything he could to stop Chrétien from passing the Kyoto agreement.

"We will do everything we can to stop him there, but he might get it passed with the help of the socialists in the NDP and the separatists in the BQ [Bloc Québécois]."

The Prime Minister's Office refused to comment about the letter on the record.

In recent weeks, Harper has spoken strongly about the environment, saying he will dramatically revamp his minority government's much-criticized clean air act.

His comments come as public-opinion polls indicate the environment has become the number one issue among Canadians.

Liberal MP Mark Holland told the Canadian Press on Tuesday that the leaked letter shows that Harper isn't actually committed to climate change.

"Now, suddenly, because he has seen the polls and realized the political opportunism of going green, the prime minister has launched a new campaign — that of trying to convince Canadians that he actually cares about the environment," Holland said.

"But no one is buying it."

The Kyoto Protocol went into effect Feb. 16, 2005, with 141 countries signing on, including every major industrialized country, except the United States, Australia and Monaco.

Parts of it will start to sound very familiar as election time nears.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 31, 2007, 12:28:14 PM
Cerevant just got pwned by his own (new) Prime Minister:

I'm a US citizen - he is not my anything.  I'm just along for the ride.  The consensus up here is that Harper is just a Bush puppet anyway.

Still, is it lost on you that this revelation is being viewed as a scandal?

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The Kyoto Protocol went into effect Feb. 16, 2005, with 141 countries signing on, including every major industrialized country, except the United States, Australia and Monaco.

Say what you will, but at least Canada is trying.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 31, 2007, 12:31:03 PM
Cerevant just got pwned by his own (new) Prime Minister:

I'm a US citizen - he is not my anything.  I'm just along for the ride.  The consensus up here is that Harper is just a Bush puppet anyway.

Still, is it lost on you that this revelation is being viewed as a scandal?

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The Kyoto Protocol went into effect Feb. 16, 2005, with 141 countries signing on, including every major industrialized country, except the United States, Australia and Monaco.

Say what you will, but at least Canada is trying.

I was just messing with you. Wait around though, from what I hear SunMo is giving out hugs today.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 31, 2007, 12:31:26 PM
who needs one?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on January 31, 2007, 01:16:41 PM
Your mom's box
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on January 31, 2007, 01:46:06 PM
From NY times:
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Scientists Criticize White House Stance on Climate Change Findings

By CORNELIA DEAN
Under its new Democratic chairman, Representative Henry A. Waxman of California, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform took on the Bush administration’s handling of climate change science yesterday, and even the Republicans on the panel had little good to say about the administration’s actions.

The subject of the hearing was accusations of administration interference with the work of government climate scientists. Almost to a person, Republicans on the panel introduced themselves by proclaiming their agreement that the earth’s climate was warming and that the principal culprit was greenhouse gases generated by people and their machinery.

And when witnesses spoke in defense of the administration, it was often to say only that there were still some scientists who doubted that climate view or that the administration’s approach was not unique.

“Cherry-picking” science to suit policy or political goals is at least as old as the Eisenhower administration, said Roger Pielke Jr., a professor in the Environmental Studies Program at the University of Colorado. The committee itself is guilty of it, he added, pointing to a news release linking rising ocean temperatures to bigger and more frequent coastal storms, something about which there is still debate.

But the other witnesses spoke about how the administration had delayed, altered or watered down the findings of government scientists, the kind of thing they said they had not experienced in the Clinton administration.

Drew Shindell, a NASA scientist who said he was speaking as an individual, not for his agency, described research he and his colleagues did on ozone depletion and greenhouse gases over Antarctica.

Dr. Shindell said the findings helped explain recent cooling on the continent, a phenomenon cited by climate dissidents as challenging the mainstream view. And, he said, the findings suggested Antarctica might warm rapidly in the future, melting ice and sharply raising sea levels. By the time the administration had signed off on the work, he said, its importance had been played down and references to “rapid warming” had been deleted.

Another witness, Rick Piltz, said he resigned in protest in 2005 from his job with the federal Climate Change Science Program when he became convinced that the administration’s goal was to “impede” the understanding of climate science among the public and even the Congress.

Part of his job, Mr. Piltz said, was to compile periodic assessments of government climate research for the Congress. “This report has essentially been made to vanish by the Bush administration,” he said.

The fourth witness was Francesca Grifo, who directs the scientific integrity program of the Union of Concerned Scientists, a private group that researches environmental, arms control and other issues.

Dr. Grifo’s testimony drew largely from a report produced by the Union of Concerned Scientists and the Government Accountability Project, a private group that defends whistle-blowers. The report, made public yesterday, is based on a Union of Concerned Scientists survey of federal climate scientists and interviews and document searches by the Government Accountability Project. It says it is common for scientists to be pressured to eliminate references to climate change, for their work to be changed to misrepresent their findings, and for climate-related materials to disappear from Web sites.

Almost 60 percent of the scientists who responded to the survey said they had personally experienced such an incident in the last five years, the report says, and those who said their work was most closely related to climate change experienced the most interference. (Information about the report is available at www.ucsusa.org.)

Representative Darrell Issa, Republican of California, noted that a majority of scientists queried had not responded to the survey. Dr. Grifo said she attributed that to the “chilling effect” of administration actions. Anyway, she said, scores of scientists reported problems. “That number should be zero,” she said.

Skewed science?
Intimidated scientists? Must be aliberal conspiracy to protect big-business profts...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 31, 2007, 02:03:54 PM
liberal conspiracy to protect big-business

does not compute
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 31, 2007, 02:33:10 PM
unlike 'democrat conspiracy to protect big business,' which happens whenever they happen to be in power
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 31, 2007, 03:51:28 PM
Power begets corruption.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 31, 2007, 04:04:49 PM
Democrats are the left hand of the beast whose right hand is called Republican.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on January 31, 2007, 09:10:24 PM
At 9:00 PM (10:00 EST) tonight (January 31, 2007), the National Geographic channel is airing a show which will explain what's happening to the polar ice caps (I bet they're melting) and what answers as to why coral reefs provide.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 31, 2007, 09:58:43 PM
Not sure if this belongs here, but it is related to the environment (and I think there was a previous discussion on this... last week?):

California may ban conventional lightbulbs by 2012  (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070131/sc_nm/energy_california_lightbulbs_dc_2)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 31, 2007, 10:03:43 PM
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=19501.0
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 31, 2007, 10:47:59 PM
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=19501.0

Sorry.  My incadescent bulbs are not bright enough to see what I'm doing.  :-[
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on February 02, 2007, 11:22:00 AM
Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study (http://)
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Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.

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Climate scientists described the move yesterday as an attempt to cast doubt over the "overwhelming scientific evidence" on global warming. "It's a desperate attempt by an organisation who wants to distort science for their own political aims," said David Viner of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

"The IPCC process is probably the most thorough and open review undertaken in any discipline. This undermines the confidence of the public in the scientific community and the ability of governments to take on sound scientific advice," he said.

The Report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/02_02_07_climatereport.pdf)

Summary From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm)
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  • Probable temperature rise between 1.8C and 4C
  • Possible temperature rise between 1.1C and 6.4C
  • Sea level most likely to rise by 28-43cm
  • Arctic summer sea ice disappears in second half of century
  • Increase in heatwaves very likely
  • Increase in tropical storm intensity likely
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 03, 2007, 09:14:37 AM
Yeah and no funding is given to the other side of this battle. The fact remains that we have had climate changes before man kind, how in the hell did we get out of the last ice age if there wasn't millions of Americans driving around in SUV's ? No one has explained how the earth came out of the last ice age without us here. It's fargin 8 degrees outside today and thats going to be the high, if it was 80 degrees I'd listen to some of the dribble pushed by the save the planet people who I'm sure have noooooooo ulterior motive just like big oil.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 03, 2007, 09:17:58 AM
the depth of your ignorance is amazing.  please, post more.   it's hilarious.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 03, 2007, 09:43:16 AM
Just what I thought you can't explain either why the earth came out of an ice age when man and our horrible gas guzzling machines weren't here.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 03, 2007, 09:45:47 AM
my bad I have a different opinion then you so I guess that makes me ignorant, sorry I forgot that rule.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 03, 2007, 09:50:48 AM
Just what I thought you can't explain either why the earth came out of an ice age when man and our horrible gas guzzling machines weren't here.

trying to explain something like climate change to you would be like trying to explain fractions to an ape.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 03, 2007, 12:12:45 PM
yep, keep on coming up with name calling instead of actual facts, continue to sell me on this global warming thing you talk of :-D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on February 03, 2007, 12:19:49 PM
The only 'fact' you've provided is that the Earth pulled out of the last ice age.

What that has to do with the current rate of global warming, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 03, 2007, 12:20:57 PM
I'm not gonna try to sell you anything. You're not buying.  You prefer ignorance.  Nothing I could say would convince you, no evidence would register, etc. 

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 03, 2007, 12:50:51 PM
all I'm saying is that the earth went through climate changes before we were ever here, and it will do the same when were gone. If we are in the start of a change it does not mean that the end of the world is near, it also does not mean it is all our fault. I'm not ignorant to the fact that we need to be aware of the earth and protect it, but come on we are not the only cause of it, and even if we did make drastic changes world wide we would not stop the natural changes the earth will go through.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: mussa on February 03, 2007, 01:11:31 PM
regardless if its real or not. i think we need to make green changes in our economy and lifestyles. it should be law. the oil thing is out of control. we're smart enough to invent new methods. ridiculous.
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Post by: Eaglez on February 04, 2007, 01:52:52 AM
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=156df7e6-d490-41c9-8b1f-106fef8763c6&k=0

Interesting article; A particularly good read for all of you who get their panties in a bunch over CO2 emissions...

And Kyoto is garbage, BTW. I'm not willing to consign developing nations who are trying to industrialize to abject poverty because some enviros want to cut back on some carbon emissions. Plus, China and India are a no go on that treaty. Hmm, two of the most rapidly industrializing nations who are still using inferior technology to produce substantial amounts of their energy are not part of this treaty...yet the United States is labeled as the great satan from not subjecting itself to ridiculous standards that will cripple commerce and have a negligible impace on climate change, if any.


Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 04, 2007, 06:30:38 AM
Well said, but you'll be flamed for even a shred of dissent.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on February 04, 2007, 07:21:05 AM
regardless if its real or not. i think we need to make green changes in our economy and lifestyles. it should be law. the oil thing is out of control. we're smart enough to invent new methods. ridiculous.

I agree with that. Regardless of what or who it's caused by or if GW is even a real occurrence, we need alternate fuels. Bad thing is the oil companies run most of the contry, so it's hard to get anything done that would put a dent in their profits.

I'll say this also, with the record low temps this week and what is forcasted for tommorrow and next week, I've been asking myself, were is the damn Global Warming when you really need it?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 04, 2007, 08:34:34 AM
What has global warming done for YOU lately?

Let's put it this way, though - a trend doesn't mean an absolute.


For instance, the skins made the playoffs last year, but the trend they've had going on since the salary cap started and Danny Snyder bought the team is still one of severe sucking.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on February 04, 2007, 08:48:27 AM
What has global warming done for YOU lately?

Let's put it this way, though - a trend doesn't mean an absolute.


For instance, the skins made the playoffs last year, but the trend they've had going on since the salary cap started and Danny Snyder bought the team is still one of severe sucking.

That could not have been more excellently put!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 04, 2007, 08:55:22 AM
Conrad Black owns the National Post.  Do a little research on him and tell me if you're surprised that he dug up (and then misspelled the name of) a little known scientist to manufacture controversy.

While you're at it, you might as well go over to the Washington Times and see what Sun Myung Moon and the Unification Church have to say about the matter.  hint: about the same crap Conrad Black promotes.

I disagree with Shaviv, but regardless of that, the linked article is trash.  If you really want to get what he's saying, read his full essay on the subject, posted on his blog:
http://www.sciencebits.com/CO2orSolar
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 04, 2007, 09:33:24 AM
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2007/02/04/45_nations_in_warming_pact/

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45 nations in warming pact
US, China, India rebuff call to form a climate group


By Angela Charlton and Seth Borenstein, Associated Press  |  February 4, 2007

PARIS -- Forty-five nations answered France's call yesterday for a new environmental body to slow inevitable global warming and protect the planet, perhaps with policing powers to punish violators.

Absent were the world's heavyweight polluter, the United States, and booming nations on the same path as the United States -- China and India.

The charge led by President Jacques Chirac of France came a day after the release of an authoritative -- and disturbingly grim -- scientific report in Paris that said global warming is "very likely" caused by mankind and that climate change will continue for centuries even if heat-trapping gases are reduced.

It was the strongest language ever used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, whose last report was issued in 2001.

The document, a collaboration of hundreds of scientists and government officials, was approved by 113 nations, including the United States.

Despite the report's dire outlook, most scientists say the worst disasters -- huge sea level rises and the most catastrophic storms and droughts -- may be avoided if strong action is taken soon.

In his call to action at a French-sponsored environment conference yesterday , Chirac said: "It is our responsibility. The future of humanity demands it."

Without naming the United States, producer of about one-quarter of the world's greenhouse gases, Chirac expressed frustration that "some large, rich countries still must be convinced."

They are "refusing to accept the consequences of their acts," he said.

So far, it is mostly European nations that agreed to pursue plans for the new organization, and to hold their first meeting in Morocco this spring.

Chirac, 74, is seeking to leave his mark on international affairs before he leaves office, likely in May, though his environmental record over 12 years as France's president is spotty.

Former Vice President Al Gore, whose Oscar-nominated documentary on the perils of global warming has garnered worldwide attention, cheered Chirac's efforts.

"We are at a tipping point," Gore told the conference by videophone. "We must act, and act swiftly . . . . Such action requires international cooperation."

The world's scientists and other international leaders also said now that the science is so well documented, action is clearly the next step.

"It is time now to hear from the world's policy makers," Tim Wirth, president of the United Nations Foundation, said Friday. "The so-called and long-overstated 'debate' about global warming is now over."

not gonna convince any of you creationists or deniers, but whoop there it is anyway
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on February 04, 2007, 09:40:52 AM
Maybe someone should take a moment and speak to Chirac about the dangers of commercial nuclear reactors?

Or better yet, maybe someone should launch a cruise missile and "accidentally" hit one of them?

Eh - just spitballin' here...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on February 05, 2007, 10:04:23 AM
Just what I thought you can't explain either why the earth came out of an ice age when man and our horrible gas guzzling machines weren't here.

Look, genius, if you did some research you might have a clue...Hell, if you read this farging thread you might have a clue.  Let's try again:

It does show that the globe warmed and ended the ice age long before humans burned fossil fuels. Therefore, the current deglaciation is not proof of human agents cause because something similar has happened in the recent past.

Besides, there are much larger forces at work and human created CO2 is the least, even marginal.

350,000 years

(http://www.killerinourmidst.com/grafix/Rahmstorf.gif)

Yes, it is cyclic.  No, the current trend is not typical of the cycle.  (Hint: the red line is the "oh shtein" part of this graph)

Cold-warm-cold-warm-cold-warm-cold-warm-really farging hot.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on February 05, 2007, 11:11:41 AM
I wouldn't mind getting away from oil just so we can leave the Chavez's and religious radicals in the Middle East to their own devices. They can all have fun blowing each other up for all I care. Leave our sons and daughters out of it. Step one foot on American soil and we'll just bomb you indiscriminately.

With alternatively fueled missiles of course...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 05, 2007, 11:14:04 AM
Leave our sons and daughters out of it. Step one foot on American soil and we'll just bomb you indiscriminately.

That's easy to say, but 9/11 has been Bush's excuse for Iraq - and it's taken on a role of basically being anything but retaliation for 9/11 anymore.  But that's for another thread.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 05, 2007, 11:14:51 AM
Ya, Chavez is a real threat.  Jesus farg you people amaze me.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on February 05, 2007, 01:27:35 PM
Ya, Chavez is a real threat.  Jesus farg you people amaze me.

I didn't say he was a threat. Just saying that he should be left alone. We shouldn't need or want his oil. Dig?


Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on February 05, 2007, 01:29:20 PM
Leave our sons and daughters out of it. Step one foot on American soil and we'll just bomb you indiscriminately.

That's easy to say, but 9/11 has been Bush's excuse for Iraq - and it's taken on a role of basically being anything but retaliation for 9/11 anymore.  But that's for another thread.

Retaliation was Afghanistan. Something that needed to happen.
Iraq was something else and I don't care what they sold it as. As you said. That's another subject.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on February 05, 2007, 09:20:25 PM
Cold-warm-cold-warm-cold-warm-cold-warm-really farging hot.

Actually, the blue line is temps and the green line CO2. There's no spike in the blue line. The red line btw, doesn't mean that CO2 goes up in a straight line. The red line is compressed and represents just a few decades when the chart covers millions of years.

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Though the red "anthropogenic CO¸2" line spikes straight up, this reflects the fact that the graph covers a period of more than a third of a million years; hence, the graph compresses all detail into a vertical direction. This is useful for comparing the rise and fall of carbon dioxide and global temperature over long expanses of time, and in putting the current spike in carbon dioxide in its proper long-term perspective, but it does not provide insight into the annual changes in carbon dioxide.

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The blue line designating temperature as yet records no change in response to this surge in atmospheric carbon dioxide (Rahmstorf, 2004, figure 1)

The "really farging hot" is just so much hot air.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on February 05, 2007, 10:49:04 PM
The "really farging hot" is just so much hot air.

hyperbole - Largely synonymous with exaggeration and overstatement, hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɝbəli/ or "hy-PER-buh-lee") is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated or extravagant. It may be used due to strong feelings or is used to create a strong impression and is not meant to be taken literally. It gives greater emphasis.

The point of my post was to counter the "it is just part of the cycle" BS.  No, it isn't part of the cycle - a cycle can exist, and it is quite possible to observe a significant deviation from the cycle.

No one graph or piece of data can tell the whole story.  I'm not going to spoon feed you the report - go read it yourself.  I know you would rather trust the word of one creationist, but I find the collaboration of more than 200 scientists from more than 100 countries reaching a consensus a much more credible source.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on February 05, 2007, 10:54:19 PM
Speaking of Global Warming, it's farging cold outside.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on February 06, 2007, 07:54:42 AM
Hyperbole is a good rhetorical tool especially when the data doesn't support your conclusion.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 06, 2007, 08:17:36 AM
Speaking of Global Warming, it's farging cold outside.

z-OMG!  Global warming is a liberal conspiracy and is not really happening at all!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on February 06, 2007, 12:02:06 PM
Jesus..blah,blah,blah...Corporatons love us...,blah,blah,blah..dinosaurs love the bible, blah,blah,blah...flat earth
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on February 06, 2007, 12:48:56 PM
Bite me!

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Post by: rjs246 on February 06, 2007, 01:09:30 PM
Asteroids come from Earth.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on February 06, 2007, 01:10:47 PM
it did

(http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/asteroids/4s.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Event Horizon on February 06, 2007, 01:11:13 PM
Comets too.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on February 06, 2007, 01:14:36 PM
The sun is made out of Jesus' kidneys.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 06, 2007, 01:18:18 PM
it did

(http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/asteroids/4s.jpg)

Now that was a video game.  In black and white.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on February 06, 2007, 01:21:09 PM
The sun is made out of Jesus' kidneys.

lol


beer is proof god loves us and wants us to be happy
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 06, 2007, 01:21:53 PM
Ben Franklin said that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on February 06, 2007, 01:25:11 PM
phillys own
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on February 06, 2007, 01:49:28 PM
Franklin got drunk and threw snowballs at Santa.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on February 06, 2007, 01:52:39 PM
At his own field. If a guy can't throw snowballs in his own yard, where can he?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on February 06, 2007, 01:53:56 PM
Franklin had syphlilis  8)  
(http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/images/episodes/season3/off_3015_04.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 13, 2007, 08:26:39 PM
Odd that this thread was going largely unnoticed of late.

A couple of cold weeks, and we're giving up on the idea altogether?

Funny headline on Drudge:
HOUSE HEARING ON 'WARMING OF THE PLANET' CANCELED AFTER SNOW/ICE STORM


The obvious point is that a couple of weeks doesn't constitute shtein, yet we stopped talking about warming, didn't we?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 13, 2007, 09:17:20 PM
Well somebody needs to let the Suburban run all night and melt all this fargin snow, two days in a row of school cancelled :boom We have been clearing this crap non stop.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on February 13, 2007, 09:20:01 PM
It was 80 here today.  8)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on February 14, 2007, 06:19:53 AM
75 here today. A little drizzle in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 14, 2007, 08:05:20 PM
Even EXXON admits global warming is real (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/16689019.htm)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on February 14, 2007, 10:08:00 PM
got this email from my mom earlier today...

Going through the worst storm I have ever seen.  Have no idea how much snow has fallen, because the wind is blowing so hard.  Total whiteout.  Essex County has been declared a disaster area.

Emergency Service personnel have gathered in the firehouse in an attempt to assist the many stuck-in-snowdrift vehicles all over town.  The motels have been asked to be available for occupants of these vehicles.  Tomorrow, the schools will take over as emergency housing.  The emergency vehicle of choice seems to be snowmobiles at the moment.

There is so much snow on my front porch, I can’t leave until I shovel.  Doesn’t stop Maggie.  She bounds through the mounds of snowdrift, invisible at times, and loving it.  Only 6 degrees out so, she doesn’t stay out long.




and this update two minutes ago...


35” and snowing

 

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on February 14, 2007, 10:16:50 PM
Colbert cracks me up...."Congradulations 11 feet of snow, you've proven that global warming doesn't exist."
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 15, 2007, 03:54:58 PM
 :-D Just wait until the first 90 degree day, the media will be all over the tremendous heat from Global warming.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 15, 2007, 04:02:54 PM
You DO realize Colbert is mocking people like you, right??
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 15, 2007, 04:09:19 PM
Sure do, So just cause it hits 90 in the summer it makes global warming more real?

Here is a concert for you Dio: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070215/ap_en_ot/gore_concerts

Maybe we should start a Death toll thread for Polar Bears
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 15, 2007, 04:17:31 PM
polar bears >>> phillymic in every conceivable way
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 15, 2007, 04:18:38 PM
Love you too Dio ;D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on February 16, 2007, 10:52:54 AM
Let's see how many people I can piss off with one post:

This morning on CBC Radio 1, I heard a report about pigs.  Part of it mentioned that the livestock industry creates more greenhouse gases than the transportation industry.  Futher, raising pigs is one of the most environmentally harmful of the bunch in terms of greenhouse gases & water pollution.

So remember, the next time you sit down for a greasy breakfast at a diner - that bacon is causing global warming!  ;D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on February 16, 2007, 11:05:13 AM
Let's see how many people I can piss off with one post:

This morning on CBC Radio 1, I heard a report about pigs.  Part of it mentioned that the livestock industry creates more greenhouse gases than the transportation industry.  Futher, raising pigs is one of the most environmentally harmful of the bunch in terms of greenhouse gases & water pollution.

So remember, the next time you sit down for a greasy breakfast at a diner - that bacon is causing global warming! 

Same goes for cattle farms if I recall correctly. Difference being that pigs and cows are delicious, while cars taste like metal and road ass.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 16, 2007, 01:57:45 PM
Let's see how many people I can piss off with one post:

This morning on CBC Radio 1, I heard a report about pigs.  Part of it mentioned that the livestock industry creates more greenhouse gases than the transportation industry.  Futher, raising pigs is one of the most environmentally harmful of the bunch in terms of greenhouse gases & water pollution.

So remember, the next time you sit down for a greasy breakfast at a diner - that bacon is causing global warming!  ;D

Then I had a large pile of global warming this morning.  And it was delicious!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on February 16, 2007, 02:12:17 PM
As long as I can have bacon, I don't give a shtein if the polar ice caps melt to the size of an igloo.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on February 16, 2007, 02:16:19 PM
Global warming only means that bacon will cook faster
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 16, 2007, 06:05:21 PM
We have a freeze warning tonight.  I've got to eat more bacon.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on February 19, 2007, 11:15:16 PM
1979:
(http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/species/polarbear/ObservedSeaIce1979.jpg)
2003:
(http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/species/polarbear/ObservedSeaIce.jpg)

Pictures like this are never very comforting.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 19, 2007, 11:18:29 PM
The only comfort is that we all have a ticket to the end of the line, which stop is sooner than later.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on February 20, 2007, 08:10:54 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0220/p03s01-ussc.html (http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0220/p03s01-ussc.html)

Here is the livestock report. Fear beef.

If you believe that they can gauge accurately the amount of CO2 emissions attributable to each class of actors, then it seems as though livestock contributes more to CO2 emissions than transportation.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on February 20, 2007, 08:19:40 AM
The Earth is farged. Just buy a snowblower.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on February 20, 2007, 09:52:36 AM
1979:
(http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/species/polarbear/ObservedSeaIce1979.jpg)
2003:
(http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/species/polarbear/ObservedSeaIce.jpg)

Pictures like this are never very comforting.

I read somewhere that this is one of the few periods in the earths history that there were ice caps on the North and South Poles.

And while it's true, that the northern arctic ice is melting, the southern antarctic ice is actually growing.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 26, 2007, 12:37:35 AM
Al Gore's film won tonight, the funny thing (if it isn't true) is that one of the producers said he wanted to thank Gore for his 30years of efforts on global warming. Now I never heard him say a word about Global warming when he was the VP in office, or any other time until he ran against GW.  :-D just reminds me of the inventing the internet stuff.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on February 26, 2007, 01:30:53 AM
You god damn liberals. God bless America, and your souls.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on February 26, 2007, 06:13:44 AM
Now I never heard him say a word about Global warming when he was the VP in office, or any other time until he ran against GW.

Just because you don't remember it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_gore#Environment:_General), it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

just reminds me of the inventing the internet stuff.

Just because you remember it, doesn't mean it happened (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp).
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on February 26, 2007, 08:00:35 AM
Funny to hear them say that the Academy Awards were "green" now. Does that mean that all the actors and VIPs came in on public transportation?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2007, 08:04:00 AM
Each one of the nominees who didn't win the Oscar got a $72,000 grab bag full of crap as booby prizes.

Filthy lucre, indeed.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 26, 2007, 08:33:31 AM
just reminds me of the inventing the internet stuff.

Just because you remember it, doesn't mean it happened (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp).

I never figured snopes.com for liberal apologists, but that's ridiculous.  He took personal credit for "creating the internet", and yet they're calling it completely false.


However, you had to have your head buried under a rock to not know that Al Gore's been trumpeting environmental awareness for his whole political career.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on February 26, 2007, 10:06:54 AM
Sorry, "I contributed" is very different from "I did"  The exact quote:
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I took the initiative in creating the internet
Gore invented the internet like Kennedy went to the moon.  Both statements are patently nonsense, but a willful misinterpretation of the reality belittles their actual contribution.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 26, 2007, 10:07:46 AM
There's no doubt he overstated his contribution to the expansion of the internet.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2007, 10:10:26 AM
gore will now be the center of another big misnomer...theres gonna be so many people that will think he won an oscar
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on February 26, 2007, 10:11:46 AM
Creator of the internet. Oscar winner. Winner of a presidential election. This guy does it all. The Eagles will draft him in the 5th round.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 26, 2007, 10:34:48 AM
gore will now be the center of another big misnomer...theres gonna be so many people that will think he won an oscar

Is that an attempt at humor?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on February 26, 2007, 01:46:19 PM
No, the award for Best Documentary goes to the director (Guggenheim).
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 26, 2007, 01:55:06 PM
That pretty much defines a technicality.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 26, 2007, 05:54:43 PM
Ha!

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POWER: GORE MANSION USES 20X AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD; CONSUMPTION INCREASE AFTER 'TRUTH'
Mon Feb 26 2007 17:16:14 ET

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions, issued a press release late Monday:



Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

For Further Information, Contact:
Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431
editor@tennesseepolicy.org
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Post by: MadMarchHare on February 26, 2007, 07:02:55 PM
What they failed to mention was all that power was generated from the windmill farm in the back yard.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on February 26, 2007, 07:07:03 PM
Is that what fuels his private jet?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 26, 2007, 07:09:29 PM
He should totally live in a one bedroom and travel in a Prius.  If he doesn't do that, he's a hypocrite and his message is worthless.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on February 26, 2007, 07:13:05 PM
Do as I say, not as I do. It's a timeless message.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MadMarchHare on February 26, 2007, 07:13:33 PM
Is that what fuels his private jet?

Duh.  The engine captures all the friction from the turbines, and uses it to fuel the plane.  It's a hybrid-jet.
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Post by: SD_Eagle5 on February 26, 2007, 07:28:54 PM
I love Al Gore. Gay Buttsecks.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on February 26, 2007, 07:42:18 PM
I'm blinded by his charisma.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 26, 2007, 07:42:46 PM
You and Drudge both.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 26, 2007, 07:59:26 PM
I'd like to see some corroboration of this beyond a "non-partisan" website and "think" tank that Drudge trumpets at just the right time.  I'd also like to see what comparable estates spend, how much energy comparably wealthy people use, etc.  Furthermore, I'd also like to see if anyone has investigated whether or not Gore is doing something to reduce his carbon "footprint."

Until I see that, I'm not much interested in what these people have to say.

edit:  they certainly don't link in a non-partisan way:
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Cato Institute     Washington, DC
Competitive Enterprise Institute    Washington, DC
Heartland Institute    Chicago, IL
Heritage Foundation    Washington, DC
Independent Institute    Oakland. CA
Manhattan Institute    New York, NY
National Center for Policy Analysis    Dallas, TX and Washington, DC
Reason Foundation    Los Angeles, CA
plenty of neo cons there, not a liberal in sight
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 26, 2007, 08:41:32 PM
I love Al Gore. Gay Buttsecks.

Ha!  Best avatar ever.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 26, 2007, 10:21:18 PM
Now I never heard him say a word about Global warming when he was the VP in office, or any other time until he ran against GW.

Just because you don't remember it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_gore#Environment:_General), it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

just reminds me of the inventing the internet stuff.

Just because you remember it, doesn't mean it happened (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp).

I stand, well sit corrected, except that whole internet thing is kind of fishy.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on February 26, 2007, 10:29:06 PM
I love Al Gore. Gay Buttsecks.

Ha!  Best avatar ever.

SEXUAL CHOC'LATE!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 27, 2007, 09:16:34 AM
following up on FF's best efforts to advance the conservative hit job on Gore for his electric bill:

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070226/NEWS01/70226055

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Gore gets heat for his electric bills
Staff says he uses compact fluorescent bulbs

By ANNE PAINE
Staff Writer

A day after receiving Oscar glory for a documentary on global warming, former Vice President Al Gore was called a hypocrite by a Tennessee group saying his Belle Meade home is using too much energy.

The home’s average month electric bill topped $1,359, according to the group.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk (the) walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Drew Johnson, president of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.

Electric bills obtained by The Tennessean, however, showed that Gore is paying a premium on his bills to be part of the “green power” program. Gore purchased 108 blocks of “green power” for at least each of the last three months, according to a summary of bills from Nashville Electric Service.

That’s a total of $432 a month spent to pay extra for solar or other renewable energy sources. NES power – outside this program - is derived largely from coal, which emits carbon, a green house gas.

The green power purchased by Gore in those three months is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans, or recycling 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on the utility's Web site.

Gore’s movie details how greenhouse gases are trapping heat next to the earth, causing a changing climate with melting ice caps and more violent storms.

“Every family has a different carbon footprint,” said Kalee Krider, a spokeswoman for Gore.

The Gore’s 10,000 square foot house on Lynnwood Boulevard doesn’t have a small one.

The Green Power Switch program, however, isn’t all he and his wife, Tipper, are doing, Krider said.

They use compact fluourescent lights and are in the midst of a renovation project that includes having solar panels installed on their home to reduce fossil fuel consumption more, she said.

Their car? A Lexus hybrid SUV.


They put money into an investment company that Gore co-founded with a man named David Blood and it, in turn, sends the money to pay for solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe.

The "non-partisan" site Drudge and FF like so much needs to hire better researchers.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2007, 11:18:50 AM
I honestly don't understand the non-stop defending of this.  Gore lives an extravagant life-style.  He could easily "make do" with 3000 sq ft and drive a Prius or the ilk instead of a Lexus hybrid SUV (which still uses as much gas as a regular mid-size car).  Naturally, he's going to be doing some things in his lifestyle that are "green", since he's remained in the public eye and needs to be able to point to some attempts at it. 

The fact of the matter is that if every family in the U.S. consumed the amount of energy the Gores do, we'd be in a lot worse shape than we are now.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on February 27, 2007, 11:23:32 AM
Dude, this planet is farged anyway. It's all well and good that people are making miniscule attempts to change their ways but believe this, we are too far gone. Just nuke the middle east or the whales, buy two SUV's, leave your lights on when you leave the house and enjoy your life. There's nothing you can do at this point.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 27, 2007, 11:27:53 AM
Speaking of which, hybrid MPG is not as good as first advertised:

EPA decides to get real on gas mileage (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/547737.html)

New fuel-economy ratings drop cars' mpg (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Business/20070223-101937-2459r/)

They're still well above the "normal" car, but 50-60 mpg on these cars is still a pipe dream.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2007, 11:30:01 AM
Dude, this planet is farged anyway. It's all well and good that people are making miniscule attempts to change their ways but believe this, we are too far gone. Just nuke the middle east or the whales, buy two SUV's, leave your lights on when you leave the house and enjoy your life. There's nothing you can do at this point.

You may be right, but that's not what the patron saint of global warming says.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 27, 2007, 11:36:24 AM
The fact of the matter is that if every family in the U.S. consumed the amount of energy made the same attempts to be "green" as the Gores do, we'd be in a lot worse better shape than we are now.

fixed
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Post by: Diomedes on February 27, 2007, 11:37:17 AM
Speaking of which, hybrid MPG is not as good as first advertised:

EPA decides to get real on gas mileage (http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/547737.html)

New fuel-economy ratings drop cars' mpg (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Business/20070223-101937-2459r/)

They're still well above the "normal" car, but 50-60 mpg on these cars is still a pipe dream.

A pipe dream worth shooting for.  Also, they emit a lot less pollution, so there's that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 27, 2007, 11:41:45 AM
Dio,

Not every family in the United States can afford to "go green" like the Gores do.

My wife and I try to recycle and turn off any lights we are not using (heck, that's just smart to save $$$ anyway), but we can't afford an extra $10,000 for a hybrid car or pay an additional 50% on our electric bill for "green" power.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 27, 2007, 11:43:32 AM
Every family can consume less.  Every family can replace incadescent bulbs with low energy super long life flourescents.  Every family can avoid the 45 minute shower.  Etc.  You don't have to opt to pay 50% more for green power to make an attempt.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2007, 12:06:05 PM
The fact of the matter is that if every family in the U.S. consumed the amount of energy made the same attempts to be "green" as the Gores do, we'd be in a lot worse better shape than we are now.

fixed

If by "fixed", you meant "statement made patently untrue", then you get a gold star.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 27, 2007, 12:13:43 PM
Every family can consume less.  Every family can replace incadescent bulbs with low energy super long life flourescents.  Every family can avoid the 45 minute shower.  Etc.  You don't have to opt to pay 50% more for green power to make an attempt.

Like I said, we're trying to do some things to be more economical.  It's as much a bonus for us as it is for the environment.  I was responding to the parts you had bolded in that article more than anything else.

We haven't replaced our light bulbs yet, but we're working on it.  How much does a bulb cost?

And I've cut my shower to 44 minutes.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2007, 12:17:56 PM
I leave my satellite recievers on all the time but I make up for it by unplugging all of the clocks in my house whenever I leave the house. 
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Post by: Susquehanna Birder on February 27, 2007, 12:20:18 PM
And I've cut my shower to 44 minutes.

42 without rubbing one out.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: troyhstewart on February 27, 2007, 12:22:10 PM
I'm above 15,000 KwH for the past 12 months.

What is the average household?
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Post by: Susquehanna Birder on February 27, 2007, 12:28:28 PM
That looks good to me. I'm over twice that. How do you heat your place?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: troyhstewart on February 27, 2007, 12:34:11 PM
oil, heat and hot water.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 27, 2007, 12:34:14 PM
I don't rightly know how many KwH we use (my wife usually pays the bills).  I would guess that we're a bit higher than normal because we have to run the air conditioner 10 months of the year.

I do remember that we are actually using quite a bit less than we used to (we got a new, more efficient A/C), but our prices are quite a bit higher.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: troyhstewart on February 27, 2007, 12:36:46 PM
I don't rightly know how many KwH we use (my wife usually pays the bills).  I would guess that we're a bit higher than normal because we have to run the air conditioner 10 months of the year.

I do remember that we are actually using quite a bit less than we used to (we got a new, more efficient A/C), but our prices are quite a bit higher.

I pay my bill online, so I just have to access my account to see my usage.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2007, 12:41:40 PM
I don't rightly know how many KwH we use (my wife usually pays the bills).  I would guess that we're a bit higher than normal because we have to run the air conditioner 10 months of the year.

I do remember that we are actually using quite a bit less than we used to (we got a new, more efficient A/C), but our prices are quite a bit higher.

I pay my bill online, so I just have to access my account to see my usage.

You're wasting electricity.  Why do you hate the earth?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: troyhstewart on February 27, 2007, 12:51:16 PM
I don't rightly know how many KwH we use (my wife usually pays the bills).  I would guess that we're a bit higher than normal because we have to run the air conditioner 10 months of the year.

I do remember that we are actually using quite a bit less than we used to (we got a new, more efficient A/C), but our prices are quite a bit higher.


I pay my bill online, so I just have to access my account to see my usage.

You're wasting electricity.  Why do you hate the earth?

I'm saving 1% of a tree by not getting a monthly paper bill.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on February 27, 2007, 01:01:29 PM
oil, heat and hot water.

Ah, that makes a difference. I'm in an "all electric" house, and I run an old heat pump (I'm thinking of replacing it this spring). I miss my old house with gas heat.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on February 27, 2007, 01:42:25 PM
I'm saving 1% by not paying any bills.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on February 27, 2007, 04:38:55 PM
Awesome. It'll be spring before they decide to cut you off, and then you'll be able to save even more...AND keep warm.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Butchers Bill on March 12, 2007, 01:50:13 PM
We'll kill you if you don't say global warming is "real". (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on March 12, 2007, 02:06:12 PM
We'll kill you if you don't say global warming is "real". (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml)

Imagine that.  Extremists acting extreme.  Who knew?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 13, 2007, 04:57:54 PM
Gore's view on Global Warming extreme? (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13gore.html?ex=1331438400&en=2df9d6e7a5aa6ed6&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss)

No shtein.


(waiting for Dio's standard response about the article's writer and the scientists referenced being dipshtein conservative mouthpieces)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on March 13, 2007, 05:10:45 PM
hater
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 13, 2007, 05:17:48 PM
Baltimoron.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on March 13, 2007, 05:18:24 PM
oh daaaaaaaaaamn, it's ON!!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 13, 2007, 05:19:36 PM
No.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on March 13, 2007, 08:49:43 PM
I love Baltimore.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 13, 2007, 08:55:36 PM
I love Baltimore.

You just love no longer working at your hated dead-end job in NY.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on March 13, 2007, 09:02:10 PM
nm.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on March 13, 2007, 09:10:48 PM
I'm still in NY at the same job through March.  I quit on Monday, after the March 15th bonus has fully cleared into my account.

I love Baltimore.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 13, 2007, 09:24:32 PM
Prius less energy efficient than Hummer (http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188)

Ha!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on March 15, 2007, 11:14:49 AM
The most important calculation in the article is based on the assumption that Prius's will run for 100,000 miles before being replaced, while Hummer's will run for 300,000 miles. Which is a fairly ridiculous assumption. A GM running 300,000 miles? Ha! A toyota failing after 100,000? not likely.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 15, 2007, 11:24:54 AM
Actually Toyota has come into real production problems over the past 5 years methdeez.  My pops is the GM of a large dealership, his friend is the GM of a toyota store down the road.  The old days of Toyotas running for a million miles passed a long time ago. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on March 15, 2007, 11:27:51 AM
Actually Toyota has come into real production problems over the past 5 years methdeez.  My pops is the GM of a large dealership, his friend is the GM of a toyota store down the road.  The old days of Toyotas running for a million miles passed a long time ago. 
Huh..Well my Toyota is from 1987, so I don't have to worry about it.
Next time I'll go with Honda. I put over 250,000 miles on my Honda from high school and I changed the oil about every 2 years.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on March 15, 2007, 11:29:53 AM
The most important calculation in the article is based on the assumption that Prius's will run for 100,000 miles before being replaced, while Hummer's will run for 300,000 miles. Which is a fairly ridiculous assumption. A GM running 300,000 miles? Ha! A toyota failing after 100,000? not likely.

I drove a cavalier for 190,000 and it never gave me an issue, all i ever did was change the oil and filters and belts...nothing major ever happened. I have a newer malibu now, when it hits 200,000 i'll let you know (it's at 44,000 now)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 15, 2007, 11:31:17 AM
Hybrid cars don't have the mileage endurance that regular Toyotas do.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on March 16, 2007, 02:14:46 PM
Looks like I'll be seeing about 7 inches of global warming today.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on March 16, 2007, 02:15:21 PM
Warmest winter on record. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 16, 2007, 02:37:09 PM
Looks like I'll be seeing about 7 inches of global warming today.

Driving sucks, my truck got stuck on a small hill. Roads are a sheet of ice. I'm inside with my 6'er and March Madness until further notice.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on March 16, 2007, 08:03:36 PM
I had a hell of a time getting home this afternoon. Lots of people stuck and getting in my way. And even more people driving way too fast for conditions.

Forecasted snowfall amount upgraded to almost 12 inches. I'm hoping for the warmest early spring on record to melt that shtein off.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 16, 2007, 09:08:27 PM
Warmest winter on record. 

In the northern hemisphere, it was indeed. (http://www.weatherunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=636&tstamp=200703)

Take a look at Russia.

(http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/2007/winter2007.gif)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 19, 2007, 04:00:38 PM
crazy old British guy challenges Gore to a debate (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20070319.DCM015&show_article=1)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 07, 2007, 03:21:30 PM
Hurricane forecaster William Gray calls Al Gore a "gross alarmist." (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070407/ap_on_sc/hurricane_conference)

Gray seems to be a "long wolf" in arguing against global warming being a factor in the increased number of hurricanes in the past few years.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 07, 2007, 03:59:30 PM
Its 20 degrees below the normal temperature for Philly today.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on April 07, 2007, 04:01:46 PM
and snowing at the beach  :-D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 07, 2007, 04:06:00 PM
70 here.  8)

We'll be broiling in between dodging the hurricanes in a few weeks, though.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on April 07, 2007, 11:19:41 PM
Tomorrow I'll be mowing my lawn.

In a parka, gloves, and ski mask as it's only getting to 35 degrees or so.

Al Gore is a bitch.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TexasEagle on April 08, 2007, 03:21:03 PM
Everyone should go rent "An Inconvenient Truth" if they havnt seen it yet.  There is some value in that flick regardless of any politcal nonsense some may try and turn it into.

I'm way late to the thread, but since it's come back up, I just saw this the other day and it's an eye opening movie for sure. It easily and concisely puts the environmental issues into focus in a way that anyone can understand digest. Highly recommend watching it even if you're not an enviro-nut.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 09, 2007, 11:05:41 AM
Dissenting opinion (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17997788/site/newsweek/)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 09, 2007, 11:08:48 AM
Tomorrow I'll be mowing my lawn.

In a parka, gloves, and ski mask as it's only getting to 35 degrees or so.

Al Gore is a bitch.

I'm amused at the anti-GW crowd that says that GW is just a normal cycle, but then is quick to say "hey look, it is cold outside today - that global warming stuff must be bullshtein"
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 09, 2007, 11:16:36 AM
It's more normal/natural than most alarmists say.

That's not saying much, because there are seriously people in this world and on this very message board that are callous enough to believe that humans are doing most or all of the damage to the planet... and even funnier that some widespread lifestyle changes would make a lick of difference at this point.

My take is that there is a concerning trend, no matter what the cause... so as long as I'm not ridiculously inconvenienced or set aback, there's no reason to make a couple of choices that are more enviro-friendly.

Basically, I'm a realist and relatively practical, and Al Gore et al have succeeded in making people like me seem like the extremists and eco-haters.  It's laughable.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on April 09, 2007, 11:28:08 AM
I love the fact that i was watching the news and they said the US is the largest producer of polution.  I really just cant see that since China has no regulation.  My aunt travels to shanghi regularly and said she's never seen the sun because of all the smog
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on April 09, 2007, 12:25:55 PM
Quote
callous enough to believe that humans are doing most or all of the damage to the planet

Why would that be insensitive, indifferent, or unsympathetic? ;)

It's not a stretch to think that humans are having some impact right or wrong. It is estimated that there are over 600 million motor vehicles in the world today and only the US enforces catalytic converters to curb pollution. That has to have an effect.

I like the alternative fuel kick for a lot of reasons and being green is just an added bonus, but not the main reason why the world economy should stop being oil based.

Inconveniance is coming like it or not, change or not, for lots of different reasons and Global Warming might not be the main reason. See the 70's gas lines...

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 11, 2007, 07:45:37 AM
Not exactlty huge news, but mildly interesting nonetheless:

Kerry and Gingrich debate global warming. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070410/ap_on_go_ot/kerry_vs__gingrich)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on April 11, 2007, 06:04:50 PM
Dissenting opinion (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17997788/site/newsweek/)

 :yay :yay

Lindzen is always fun to read. He's a highly respected scholar and it's a shame that he gets only a scintilla of exposure in comparison to what Al Gore seemingly gets on a daily basis.

He does a great job of putting the whole climate debate in proper perspective in demonstrating what we know to a reasonable certainty and what we are merely speculating on. Just a cursory evaluation of the evidence seems to point in the direction that the Earth has cycles of "above average" warming and "below average" cooling -- even though no one bothers to establish what constitutes "average".
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on April 13, 2007, 05:17:27 PM

Wanna Bet (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070413/ap_on_fe_st/odds_global_warming_bets_3)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 23, 2007, 01:41:04 PM
a new low in the celebrities' "fight" for our planet's future (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6583067.stm)

Quote
Crow calls for limit on loo paper

The shows include a short set from Sheryl Crow and film clips
Singer Sheryl Crow has said a ban on using too much toilet paper should be introduced to help the environment.

Crow has suggested using "only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where two to three could be required".
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 23, 2007, 01:49:45 PM
1 square? Who's she kidding? I have to bunch 6 or 7 squares up 3 or 4 times to properly clean my ass.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on April 23, 2007, 01:51:16 PM
Sheryl clearly doesnt get mudd butt
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on April 23, 2007, 01:51:37 PM
I am on a 4 roll a day habit myself
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: hbionic on April 23, 2007, 01:54:26 PM
Ya'll need to get one of those Euro 'ass washers' installed. There's no cleaner feeling than a toilet pissing clean water into your dirty dumper.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 23, 2007, 02:01:36 PM
Sheryl clearly doesnt get mudd butt

Girls don't poop, I heard.

Ya'll need to get one of those Euro 'ass washers' installed. There's no cleaner feeling than a toilet pissing clean water into your dirty dumper.  :paranoid

It's called a "bidet" (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=bidet), douche.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: hbionic on April 23, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
I call it an 'Ass Washer'. It's funier.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 23, 2007, 02:30:40 PM
Sonds like Cheryl Crow has a dirty ass to me. Get that woman some baby wipes.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on April 23, 2007, 02:32:12 PM
It's called a "bidet" (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=bidet), douche.

Nice turn of phrase.

Solid "B" there.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 23, 2007, 06:11:47 PM
It's called a "bidet" (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=bidet), douche.

Nice turn of phrase.

Solid "B" there.

and a "B+" to you for noticing
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 23, 2007, 11:10:20 PM
As though you intended it..ha.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 24, 2007, 10:08:41 AM
I can't blame you for underestimating me.  After all, your M.O. is raw hatred, which doesn't allow for witty wordplay.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 24, 2007, 10:14:05 AM
Raw hatred.  Ha.  Get over yourself moneylover.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 24, 2007, 10:52:59 AM
Nope, but I will give you a counter-offer that will reduce the pollution in the world and guarantee you never have to deal with me again:

Kill yourself.

I promise I'll never vote Republican again if you do.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 24, 2007, 10:54:36 AM
Raw hatred.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on April 24, 2007, 10:56:44 AM
I promise I'll never vote Republican again if you do.

liar
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 24, 2007, 11:05:33 AM
Seriously.  I'd even go one further... I'd do as Dio would do and use my registered-Republican status to vote for weaker candidates for major office in primaries.

I mean... it's the least I could do if he finally ended his own pain and suffering by blowing his brains out.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 24, 2007, 11:10:19 AM
That's a lot of hatred coming from you my southern rapist moneyloving internet buddy.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 24, 2007, 11:12:56 AM
Internet bickering is so hot right now.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on April 24, 2007, 11:13:18 AM
Human beings as a species are highly overrated.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 24, 2007, 11:13:52 AM
I think we burned 3 gallons of gas in the driveway alone revving the engine after we put it in last night.  It had NO effect on the world though, because I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 24, 2007, 11:15:12 AM
Human beings as a species are highly overrated.

If I believed in reincarnation I'd suggest that humans are cockroaches that died and were sent back a level for doing a lousy job being roaches.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on April 24, 2007, 11:16:42 AM
Internet bickering is so hot right now.

pVVn'd!#@1@
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 24, 2007, 11:17:15 AM
That's a lot of hatred coming from you my southern rapist moneyloving internet buddy.

It's compassion.  I think it's obvious you would be a lot happier if you didn't exist.  I find it quite odd that I've suddenly also become a "rapist", although it is on the same level with being your "buddy" overall, so at least you're trying to spread your offensiveness across all angles.  It's not really working at all, but I'll give you a solid C+ for effort.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on April 24, 2007, 11:21:06 AM
It's compassion

not possible

doesnt the moniker "compassionate conservatism" say that conservatives by nature are NOT compassionate
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 24, 2007, 11:22:22 AM
I've suddenly also become a "rapist"

You raped that Duke stripper, and we all know it.  Rapist.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on May 21, 2007, 09:15:52 AM
High School student in Canada shown "An Inconvenient Truth" in 4 different classes (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=f7806f79-bf1f-4bd1-8d33-c904feb71047)

This is ridiculous.  Even my most admittedly liberal and/or green teachers in high school did their best to foster a healthy debate and present both sides of the argument.

Also, DiCaprio... still a douche. (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070519184436.x9vgvtk2&show_article=1)

So, let me get this straight... If you're rich and famous and make environmental "documentaries", we should look at the *big picture* instead of your personal energy consumption.  However, for those of us in middle class normal America, every little bit is important?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 21, 2007, 09:29:13 AM
By the way, this has been the best Spring i can remember, thanks Global Warming  :yay
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 20, 2007, 07:34:03 PM
Global COOLING (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 10, 2007, 09:59:10 PM
Fighting the real cause of global warming... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070709/sc_nm/climate_cows_dc)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on July 11, 2007, 12:23:37 PM
Sun-based "global cooling" theory blown out of the water (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6290228.stm).
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on July 11, 2007, 01:45:28 PM
Sun-based "global cooling" theory blown out of the water (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6290228.stm).

That's interesting. I would like to hear a rebuttal, or see it researched more to make sure the data adds up, then it would be very compelling.

However, that still doesn't discount that about 140 years ago Earth was coming out of the Little Ice Age. When people talk about this great spike in global temperatures they ask "relative to what?". Some estimate that the Earth was coming out of its coldest period in 10,000 years 140 years ago.

Plus, global temperature increase has not been constant throughout the 20th century. It spiked in the early half, decreased in the middle part, and now we are experiencing warming. Moreover, climatologists only really have about 30 years of good data based on weather satellites that can give an accurate portrayal of global temperature variations. Other methods, like ice core samples, support the cyclical variations of warming and cooling throughout the centuries.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on July 11, 2007, 01:50:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J6EV61J15k

That commercial is hilarious and sad at the same time. Sad because Al Gore and Co. decided to exploit children for ideological gain but funny because of the kid that starts to bawl her eyes out over global warming. I think this production would make Goebbels blush.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on July 11, 2007, 01:51:28 PM
And what started 140 years ago? A little thing called The Industrial Revolution. Mass industrialization has corresponded directly with the precipitous rise in temperature...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on July 11, 2007, 01:59:49 PM
True, but if that was the case you would think that global temperatures would gradually increase from the Industrial Revolution until now -- but that hasn't been the case. In fact, during WWII is when temperatures started to decrease. And then temperatures started to escalate again in the 1980s.

Plus, it is difficult to account for the Medieval Warm Period as well when man couldn't have had any impact with CO2 emissions or any other greenhouse gas.

It it difficult to take Gore and Co. seriously when all they talk about is doomsday and essentially relegating mankind back to living in mud huts and subsistence farming with his regulatory proposals and doesn't address how he accounts for what he would regard as aberrations.

That is why I think Live Earth was a failure because the rhetoric coming from him and his camp was extreme and condescending while ignoring contrary positions that are just as plausible if not more plausible than his theory.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on July 11, 2007, 02:08:09 PM
The 'little ice age' and the 'medieval warming' were not even remotely as severe (in either direction) as the current rise. And there wasn't global 'cooling' during WWII, the rate of global warming simply slowed down.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on July 11, 2007, 02:49:05 PM
That's interesting. I would like to hear a rebuttal, or see it researched more to make sure the data adds up, then it would be very compelling.

That's the problem I have with most of the anti-global warming crap: it is just one scientist here and there spouting off to the press.  The global report that started this thread was based on the combined research of hundreds of scientists.  The article above was based on something published in a peer-reviewed journal.  As this article points out, the global cooling bullshtein was based on conveniently ignoring the data prior to 1980 - yeah, that's great science.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on July 11, 2007, 02:49:57 PM
The infamous Newsweek Article on Global Cooling (1975)

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Seemingly, it did cool between 1945-68, dropping by what I think the article cites at 1/2 a degree C.

I've seen some graphs (Wiki) that show the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age were not as intense at what is purportedly happening now, but the evidence that it did occur and was relatively severe in effect and lasted for an incredibly long periods of time lend credence to the notion that natural variations are real and need to be accounted for when viewing these doomsday scenarios. For all we know we could just be going through a greater spike now with possible cooling later. If you extrapolate data from the past it seems plausible just as plausible as catastrophic global warming if not more plausible.

Also, I would argue that society can better gauge temperature variations now than we could even 30 years ago. The data is more likely getting more precise. When more precise data is weighed against older data that did not have the benefit of modern technology it might show a greater disparity. 100 years ago you had mercury thermometers and other archaic temperature measuring mechanisms subject to human recording error -- today you have weather satellites that have numerous data points throughout the world that can better accurately gauge temperature variation. Just comparing the two data sets could lead to great disparity and error.

Is there global warming? Sure. Its been documented and the data sets have gotten better with newer technology. But is it completely human driven and would lead to the end of mankind? I don't think so.  Could humans maybe have something to do with it? Sure. It is definitely plausible. I just think the hysteria from the likes of Al Gore and Co. is completely unwarranted yet they are being fawned over as the only game in town.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on July 11, 2007, 03:00:42 PM
That's interesting. I would like to hear a rebuttal, or see it researched more to make sure the data adds up, then it would be very compelling.

That's the problem I have with most of the anti-global warming crap: it is just one scientist here and there spouting off to the press.  The global report that started this thread was based on the combined research of hundreds of scientists.  The article above was based on something published in a peer-reviewed journal.  As this article points out, the global cooling bullshtein was based on conveniently ignoring the data prior to 1980 - yeah, that's great science.

Like I said, it sounds like its good research, but I would still like to hear from the scientists that conducted the original research on the sun spots and see if they have a rebuttal. I think that's fair and it advances good science if each report is viewed critically. Plus, even if the sun spot theory falls by the wayside it doesn't prove catastrophic man made global warming. It just dismisses one way temperatures naturally variate.

And since when is groupthink all of a sudden a good thing? I don't think purportedly hundreds of scientists necessarily makes it good research. It has been well-documented that the IPCC report used names of scientists that did not approve of the analysis and conclusions in that document yet were put on there anyways. I'd rather look at how plausible the theory seems to be in light of previous fluctuations and disparities in data sets.

It is not easy to make forecasts 50 years into the future. There is a high margin of error especially in light of the amount of reliable data that is available. You need very complex algorithms in order to even attempt to make such projections. I don't like the arrogance that "everything is figured out" when they only have a relatively small amount of reliable data.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on July 11, 2007, 03:09:27 PM
The issue here is simple. No one wants to believe that we're destroying the planet. So we come up with every possible explanation for why it isn't our fault and justify our unwillingness to change. It's natural. It's human instinct to deflect blame away from ourselves.

But the fact is that ALL of the peer-reviewed scientific research says that the environmental shifts are directly related to human behavior.

Now I'm still not going to change my ways, because frankly I don't care that much, but to try so hard to argue against mountains of scientific evidence (evidence that has ZERO scientifically supported counter-point) just to make ourselves feel better about driving SUVs and leaving the AC on for 7 months a year is laughable.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 11, 2007, 03:11:38 PM
The issue here is simple. No one wants to believe that we're destroying the planet. So we come up with every possible explanation for why it isn't our fault and justify our unwillingness to change. It's natural. It's human instinct to deflect blame away from ourselves.

But the fact is that ALL of the peer-reviewed scientific research says that the environmental shifts are directly related to human behavior.

Now I'm still not going to change my ways, because frankly I don't care that much, but to try so hard to argue against mountains of scientific evidence (evidence that has ZERO scientifically supported counter-point) just to make ourselves feel better about driving SUVs and leaving the AC on for 7 months a year is laughable.

I leave the AC on 11½ months a year.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on July 11, 2007, 03:15:25 PM
The issue here is simple. No one wants to believe that we're destroying the planet. So we come up with every possible explanation for why it isn't our fault and justify our unwillingness to change. It's natural. It's human instinct to deflect blame away from ourselves.

But the fact is that ALL of the peer-reviewed scientific research says that the environmental shifts are directly related to human behavior.

Now I'm still not going to change my ways, because frankly I don't care that much, but to try so hard to argue against mountains of scientific evidence (evidence that has ZERO scientifically supported counter-point) just to make ourselves feel better about driving SUVs and leaving the AC on for 7 months a year is laughable.

I leave the AC on 11½ months a year.

2 weeks vacation up in Yankeeville?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 11, 2007, 03:17:31 PM
The issue here is simple. No one wants to believe that we're destroying the planet. So we come up with every possible explanation for why it isn't our fault and justify our unwillingness to change. It's natural. It's human instinct to deflect blame away from ourselves.

But the fact is that ALL of the peer-reviewed scientific research says that the environmental shifts are directly related to human behavior.

Now I'm still not going to change my ways, because frankly I don't care that much, but to try so hard to argue against mountains of scientific evidence (evidence that has ZERO scientifically supported counter-point) just to make ourselves feel better about driving SUVs and leaving the AC on for 7 months a year is laughable.

I leave the AC on 11½ months a year.


2 weeks vacation up in Yankeeville?

No, the two week cool-down we jokingly call "winter."
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Eaglez on July 11, 2007, 03:25:57 PM
The issue here is simple. No one wants to believe that we're destroying the planet. So we come up with every possible explanation for why it isn't our fault and justify our unwillingness to change. It's natural. It's human instinct to deflect blame away from ourselves.

But the fact is that ALL of the peer-reviewed scientific research says that the environmental shifts are directly related to human behavior.

Now I'm still not going to change my ways, because frankly I don't care that much, but to try so hard to argue against mountains of scientific evidence (evidence that has ZERO scientifically supported counter-point) just to make ourselves feel better about driving SUVs and leaving the AC on for 7 months a year is laughable.

I disagree with your main premise (there is no scientific support for other theories), but that's fine. I'm not trying to rationalize anything. I don't drive an SUV or do "environmentally destructive behavior". I don't consume much energy (I like in a small studio and I barely run the air conditioner) so it is not about rationalizing my behavior. I respond to economic incentives (the price of gas has obviously went up, so the next car I'm looking at will probably be an economy car like a Yaris or Honda Fit). It is just that "all the scientific research" that you believe is so compelling and infallible is just not that compelling to me.

Making conclusions now and implementing the policies of the likes of Al Gore will lead to dire economic consequences later on. And I'm not willing to make that trade off and relegate the world to economic stagnation and lower standards of living. The Industrial Revolution may have put a lot of carbon in the atmosphere, but it paved the way to the technological advancements that we all enjoy today and are an indispensable part of humanity.

I won't be surprised if in 10-20 years global cooling makes a comeback. But we'll see.

 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on July 11, 2007, 03:29:59 PM
No, the two week cool-down we jokingly call "winter."

It's amazing how different the weather is in Naples compared to Daytona.  It was flat-out cold as a motherfarger a lot last winter.  I went through almost 300 gallons of fuel oil and that's about twice what we usually use.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 11, 2007, 05:57:29 PM
No, the two week cool-down we jokingly call "winter."

It's amazing how different the weather is in Naples compared to Daytona.  It was flat-out cold as a motherfarger a lot last winter.  I went through almost 300 gallons of fuel oil and that's about twice what we usually use.



I think we put the actual heater on less than 5 times all winter (nights where the low temp got into the 30s to low 40s).  I wouldn't have run it at all, but my wife was cold, so of course the kid was, too (you're married, you know how that works).  I don't think we ever put the heat above 68.

My main problem is that my body seems to run about 5-10 degrees hotter than anyone else.  If the high temp reaches 80, I want the damn A/C on.  And in Naples, it reaches 80 degrees at least 300+ days a year.  My students at school always complain about how cold my classroom is.  I tell them I'm part polar bear.  We usually have the A/C set at 75.  I'd rather it be 72, but I'm trying to sacrifice for the environment.   :D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 07, 2007, 01:29:59 PM
Another celebrity making a big difference a la Sheryl Crow's one-sheet-of-TP promise:

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Oscar winner Cate Blanchett has stopped washing her hair in an effort to do her bit to save the environment and become a green example to her kids. The actress admits she has installed timers all around her home to restrict energy levels - and one is even on her shower head. Now she's no longer washing her hair, Blanchett has realised, "I only need to have a two minute shower." She adds, "I went to a website and my husband was laughing at me because a box arrived with 30 timers, and I thought, 'Excellent, stocking fillers!'" The Babel star has decided to do as much as she can to save energy after a recent visit to drought-ravaged Lake Samonsvale, north of Brisbane, Australia. She tells the Sydney Daily Telegraph, "I'm extremely concerned about climate change as a mother, because I want to ensure for my children a very safe and sustainable future. It's great to see my children engaged in these things, like when you put the water on when you put the toothbrush under the tap, you turn it off the minute you take it out and you don't let the water run." The Australian star has also limited her car use and has switched her household power supply to green power.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on August 07, 2007, 01:38:24 PM
Another celebrity making a big difference a la Sheryl Crow's one-sheet-of-TP promise:

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Oscar winner Cate Blanchett has stopped washing her hair in an effort to do her bit to save the environment and become a green example to her kids. The actress admits she has installed timers all around her home to restrict energy levels - and one is even on her shower head. Now she's no longer washing her hair, Blanchett has realised, "I only need to have a two minute shower." She adds, "I went to a website and my husband was laughing at me because a box arrived with 30 timers, and I thought, 'Excellent, stocking fillers!'" The Babel star has decided to do as much as she can to save energy after a recent visit to drought-ravaged Lake Samonsvale, north of Brisbane, Australia. She tells the Sydney Daily Telegraph, "I'm extremely concerned about climate change as a mother, because I want to ensure for my children a very safe and sustainable future. It's great to see my children engaged in these things, like when you put the water on when you put the toothbrush under the tap, you turn it off the minute you take it out and you don't let the water run." The Australian star has also limited her car use and has switched her household power supply to green power.

You read femalefirst.co.uk too? Cool.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 07, 2007, 01:39:03 PM
Along those same lines:
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Comedian LARRY DAVID has found an advantage to being single again following his recent split from his environmentalist wife - he can turn all the lights on at home. The Curb Your Enthusiasm star separated from his An Inconvenient Truth producer spouse Laurie, his wife of 14 years, in early June (07). She has since filed for divorce. He says, "After the split, I went home and turned all the lights on."
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 07, 2007, 02:22:52 PM
You read femalefirst.co.uk too? Cool.

Religiously!  Holler.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on August 23, 2007, 03:33:45 PM
Last night PBS told me scientists recently measured the largest iceberg in history. We're all dead.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on August 23, 2007, 11:10:13 PM
I guess the ice will be grillin us.

Ban?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: troyhstewart on August 27, 2007, 11:08:38 AM
The infamous Newsweek Article on Global Cooling (1975)

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Seemingly, it did cool between 1945-68, dropping by what I think the article cites at 1/2 a degree C.

I've seen some graphs (Wiki) that show the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age were not as intense at what is purportedly happening now, but the evidence that it did occur and was relatively severe in effect and lasted for an incredibly long periods of time lend credence to the notion that natural variations are real and need to be accounted for when viewing these doomsday scenarios. For all we know we could just be going through a greater spike now with possible cooling later. If you extrapolate data from the past it seems plausible just as plausible as catastrophic global warming if not more plausible.

Also, I would argue that society can better gauge temperature variations now than we could even 30 years ago. The data is more likely getting more precise. When more precise data is weighed against older data that did not have the benefit of modern technology it might show a greater disparity. 100 years ago you had mercury thermometers and other archaic temperature measuring mechanisms subject to human recording error -- today you have weather satellites that have numerous data points throughout the world that can better accurately gauge temperature variation. Just comparing the two data sets could lead to great disparity and error.

Is there global warming? Sure. Its been documented and the data sets have gotten better with newer technology. But is it completely human driven and would lead to the end of mankind? I don't think so.  Could humans maybe have something to do with it? Sure. It is definitely plausible. I just think the hysteria from the likes of Al Gore and Co. is completely unwarranted yet they are being fawned over as the only game in town.


There has also been evidence that major volcano eruptions can cause short term(several years) cooling by blocking sunlight.   Is it just a coincidence that the global cooling in this article happened around the same time two Atomic bombs were dropped and who knows how many tested? 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2007, 05:27:16 PM
 THERE'S THE ANSWER!  Just nuke the hell out of Iran!

Yes I am just kidding.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on September 15, 2007, 11:09:04 AM
Yep - Global warning is totally a myth dreamed up by hysterical socialists and tree huggerzZz! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070915/sc_nm/arctic_passage_dc_4;_ylt=AvRh0cSWExrqNdDa3mqCZcsE1vAI)


 :-D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on September 15, 2007, 11:13:53 AM
Yep - Global warning is totally a myth dreamed up by hysterical socialists and tree huggerzZz! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070915/sc_nm/arctic_passage_dc_4;_ylt=AvRh0cSWExrqNdDa3mqCZcsE1vAI)


 :-D

Just 450 years or so too late for Henry Hudson.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on November 13, 2007, 10:07:37 AM
"Skeptics" can STFU (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm).
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on November 13, 2007, 12:31:03 PM
Yeah, basically anything the "skeptic" says is irrelevant or does not apply now even though it may have had an impact before on the climate, more ish for the pile.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 13, 2007, 02:31:49 PM
"Skeptics" can STFU (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm).
I'm a skeptic.
The scientifically accepted age of the Earth is 4.6 billion years, keep that in mind before you start believing everything you hear.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: reese125 on November 13, 2007, 02:36:32 PM
so your saying the earth is old which means your a skeptic why?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 13, 2007, 02:40:47 PM
Do you know what the temperature of the Earth was that long ago? Can you tell me how much of an influence things like the Sun had at different points in time? GW is a bunch of made up nonsense. Use resources as you wish and don't recycle, that's my motto. farg everyone.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on November 13, 2007, 02:45:27 PM
Using a 20-50 year span to justify the mass change of an object that is believed to be 4.6 billion years old is stupid.

That is the equivilant of you sneezing, and then using that sneeze to determine you have terminal cancer. Even using the span of 1000 years is not going to produce conclusive results.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 13, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
Using a 20-50 year span to justify the mass change of an object that is believed to be 4.6 billion years old is stupid.

That is the equivilant of you sneezing, and then using that sneeze to determine you have terminal cancer. Even using the span of 1000 years is not going to produce conclusive results.



Great analogy.

I bought into the hype, then my Environmental Conservation Proffessor opened my eyes to the complete nonsense that Global Warming is.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: reese125 on November 13, 2007, 02:54:16 PM
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Do you know what the temperature of the Earth was that long ago? Can you tell me how much of an influence things like the Sun had at different points in time? GW is a bunch of made up nonsense. Use resources as you wish and don't recycle, that's my motto. farg everyone.

haha...great ending.

seriously, I dont recycle and I dont put on a bandana, army shorts and play congos under a tree. I do however firmly believe that we greatly contribute to the earths degrade, but nothing will ever significantly get done as long as I am alive.

Thank you and god bless
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on November 13, 2007, 02:54:48 PM
GW is a bunch of made up nonsense. Use resources as you wish and don't recycle, that's my motto. farg everyone.

put that on a t-shirt made of whale-skin, and i'll buy one
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: hbionic on November 13, 2007, 04:10:09 PM
Just like my vote, I like to believe that changing light bulbs, recycling and conserving water actually makes a difference.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 14, 2007, 09:18:18 AM
Using a 20-50 year span to justify the mass change of an object that is believed to be 4.6 billion years old is stupid.

That is the equivilant of you sneezing, and then using that sneeze to determine you have terminal cancer. Even using the span of 1000 years is not going to produce conclusive results.



Great analogy.

I bought into the hype, then my Environmental Conservation Professor opened my eyes to the complete nonsense that Global Warming is.

We're certainly in a period of warming.  The fact is that there are two things we do not and cannot know, and anyone jumping to conclusions either way on it is just guessing:

1.  Is it an irrecoverable upward turn, or is it part of the Earth's natural cycle?
2.  Are we as humans actually responsible and/or can we change any behavior to improve the Earth, or is it much bigger than our actions and not based on anything we do?

There are intelligent, informed people on both sides of the issues.  The problem I have with it is that thanks to popular opinion being so irrationally lopsided towards the title of this thread, even those who draw anything into question are labeled as Earth-haters.  Study the data.  Don't believe everything you hear, just because it makes you feel better.

That said, there is no reason not to conserve energy and resources.  Even if humans aren't killing the planet as many people believe, why try?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on November 14, 2007, 09:28:37 AM
i literally took a styrofoam cup and choked a baby seal with it yesterday
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 14, 2007, 09:30:39 AM
Did you do it in the back of a Hummer H2 with the engine running?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on November 14, 2007, 09:32:50 AM
yeah, but i had a hose running from the exhaust down the throat of a bald eagle
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on November 14, 2007, 09:44:06 AM
I was in home depot two nights ago, when someone had a large item in a flatbed cart, and then the item fell on a display of floresant bulbs...broke pretty much all of them.

Ha.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on November 14, 2007, 09:48:36 AM
nuke the whales.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 10:06:01 AM
Gotta nuke something.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on November 14, 2007, 10:19:44 AM
How about a chicken burrito?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 10:21:39 AM
No dude. Whales.

Nuke. The. Whales.

And the homeless.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on November 14, 2007, 10:24:33 AM
torture the homeless
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on November 14, 2007, 12:03:35 PM
Man these, "i'm a tough guy, I don't care" jokes never get old.
Please, tell us all about how bad-ass you are by not recycling.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on November 14, 2007, 12:12:54 PM
I just stuck a glass bottle up a hippy's ass. And we BOTH liked it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on November 14, 2007, 12:18:26 PM
Nuke California
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on November 14, 2007, 12:24:06 PM
i'm a tough guy!  i don't recycle!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on November 14, 2007, 12:29:18 PM
i recycle if it's convenient for me.  i don't go out of my way not too.  but i don't have kids, and i hate everyone else's kids, so why should i bother?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on November 14, 2007, 12:31:39 PM
No dude. Whales.

Nuke. The. Whales.

And the homeless.

I'm fine with nuking both.  Especially if they're minorities.  Or gay.  Or from Boston.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 12:32:10 PM
Man these, "i'm a tough guy, I don't care" jokes never get old.
Please, tell us all about how bad-ass you are by not recycling.

Are you angry that we're nuking the whales, hippy? What would you prefer we nuke? Baby seals? Otters? Orphans? Single mothers? Please think before you post.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on November 14, 2007, 12:35:09 PM
whatever tough guy.  stay in school!

no msg.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 12:44:23 PM
I miss Rap Snacks. They allowed me to rap and snack at the same time.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on November 14, 2007, 01:03:48 PM
(http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1661601.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F1062A2E0E7C7104B0625A5397277B4DC33E)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on November 14, 2007, 02:19:59 PM
I miss Rap Snacks. They allowed me to rap and snack at the same time.

I loved rap snacks.
They tasted so chemically and greasy, but they were delicious. And the packaging was really ghetto and philly.

As to my other point, what I'm saying is that the tough guy, doesn't care about anything except getting wasted, farg all minorities, women, the earth, seals, Rush Limbaugh-esque act is currently being played by about 85% of the dudes here and about 85% of all white dudes under 30 nationwide.

I know you think it is awesome and funny, but is is really kind of neither, it is just played and annoying.

Also, it is totally not rebellious, it is just a different purchasing demographic being creating and exploited by pick-up truck, beer and burger ads, no different or less lame or less guided than the romantic comedy, beauty-product addicted woman demographic

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on November 14, 2007, 02:21:25 PM
torture the homeless

You got it all wrong.

Kill the homeless, and feed them to the hungry.

Two birds.  One stone.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on November 14, 2007, 02:24:36 PM
i never said anything about hating seals...i just want to club them because it makes hippys sad
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 14, 2007, 02:32:32 PM
Man these, "i'm a tough guy, I don't care" jokes never get old.
Please, tell us all about how bad-ass you are by not recycling.

Recycling anything besides aluminium is actually more wasteful and costs 3 times as much as throwing your trash away. We're not running out of resources and there are more trees now then there were 100 years ago. Regardless, farg everyone and waste away.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 02:37:46 PM
I miss Rap Snacks. They allowed me to rap and snack at the same time.

I loved rap snacks.
They tasted so chemically and greasy, but they were delicious. And the packaging was really ghetto and philly.

As to my other point, what I'm saying is that the tough guy, doesn't care about anything except getting wasted, farg all minorities, women, the earth, seals, Rush Limbaugh-esque act is currently being played by about 85% of the dudes here and about 85% of all white dudes under 30 nationwide.

I know you think it is awesome and funny, but is is really kind of neither, it is just played and annoying.

Also, it is totally not rebellious, it is just a different purchasing demographic being creating and exploited by pick-up truck, beer and burger ads, no different or less lame or less guided than the romantic comedy, beauty-product addicted woman demographic

Just my two cents.

What the farg are you talking about, freak show? What do you expect from a god damned football message board? Lots of in-depth conversations about saving the planet or feeding the hungry or curing cancer? Do you want to log on and read about what I think about racism or sexism or ageism or other string of endlessly boring farging topics? I sure as shtein don't. I'm embarrassed for myself whenever I get caught up in a serous conversation here. It's boring. No one cares.

On top of that, do you really think that the miserable fargs on here are trying to be cool by being sarcastic iceholes? Did you ever consider that they (we) actually are sarcastic iceholes that don't particularly care about offending those of you with your feelings all hanging out all over the place?

My point is simply this, I try to recycle and generally think that humans are ruining the planet, but I'm not going to discuss it on a message board in lieu of telling you dumbasses how much beer I drink and how awesome I am. No matter how much any of you whine about it.

Oh, and I don't care about endangered species. They need to farging tighten up and learn to fight for their existence.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on November 14, 2007, 02:41:04 PM
It's hip to be square.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 14, 2007, 02:42:09 PM
Oh, and I don't care about endangered species. They need to farging tighten up and learn to fight for their existence.

Endangered species is another farce
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 02:44:00 PM
Yeah! Let's eat some panda-steaks!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on November 14, 2007, 02:45:05 PM
damn, i could go for a panda steak right now, beating my wife always gets my appetite up for them
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 02:55:29 PM
No lie, I just threw a soda can in the trash. The regular trash. I'm so tough.

Fight me now?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on November 14, 2007, 02:56:41 PM
No lie, I just threw a soda can in the trash. The regular trash. I'm so tough.

Fight me now?

hold on, Rush Limbaugh is almost over
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: methdeez on November 14, 2007, 03:04:45 PM
Yeah! Let's eat some panda-steaks!
See, that is just endlessly funny.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 03:05:43 PM
You realize that we're mocking you and not trying to act tough, right? Mocking others is always funny, especially when they don't even realize it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on November 14, 2007, 06:58:32 PM
It's hip to be square.

Thanks, Huey.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 07:15:31 PM
Can we go back to talking about drunk and tough and awesome I am? Apathy is so hip right now.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on November 14, 2007, 07:26:26 PM
Can we go back to talking about drunk and tough and awesome I am? Apathy is so hip right now.

Tough?  Don't you weigh something like 65 pounds?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 14, 2007, 07:45:35 PM
It's hip to be square.

Thanks, Huey.

Didn't IGY say Huey has massive junk?  Oh, and methdeez is hiding recyclables in his rectum.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on November 14, 2007, 08:56:01 PM
It's hip to be square.

Thanks, Huey.

Didn't IGY say Huey has massive junk?  Oh, and methdeez is hiding recyclables in his rectum.

Now that you mention it, I do believe that Igy was posting that.  Why igy would care honestly baffled me a bit.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on November 14, 2007, 09:16:08 PM
Can we go back to talking about drunk and tough and awesome I am? Apathy is so hip right now.

Tough?  Don't you weigh something like 65 pounds?

The toughest 65 pounds you'll ever see. I don't even recycle. THAT'S how tough I am.

Ok, I'll stop now.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on November 15, 2007, 12:32:39 AM
R-E-C-Y-C-L-E
That's the way, it's supposed to be
If you recycle, than so do we
R-E-C-Y-C-L-E
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on December 08, 2007, 09:07:51 PM
Australian scientist point of view - Bali or Bust (http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/bali-or-bust/2007/12/06/1196812903955.html)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on December 20, 2007, 01:02:04 PM
Global warming may be real, but it's not caused by humans (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb)

Before all the hippie shills come back and call this standard right-wing zealo(u)t stuff, the bottom line is that there is absolutely no consensus whatsoever that global warming is a human-caused event.  That's fact.  Everything else is conjecture.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on December 20, 2007, 01:08:21 PM
Jessica Alba's tits are gonna be huge when she hits her third trimester.

Fact.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on December 20, 2007, 01:14:28 PM
Actually, that's conjecture.  She and/or the baby might not even make it to the 3rd trimester.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on December 20, 2007, 01:17:26 PM
the bottom line is that there is absolutely no consensus whatsoever that global warming is a human-caused event.  That's fact.  Everything else is conjecture.

Quote
Main Entry:
    con·sen·sus Listen to the pronunciation of consensus
Pronunciation:
    \kən-ˈsen(t)-səs\
Function:
    noun
Usage:
    often attributive
Etymology:
    Latin, from consentire
Date:
    1843

1 a: general agreement : unanimity <the consensus of their opinion, based on reports…from the border — John Hersey> b: the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned <the consensus was to go ahead>2: group solidarity in sentiment and belief

While consensus may mean unanimity, it does not necessarily mean such.
1200 scientists put their names on the IPCC report.
400 dissenting scientists are making a fuss.

I would say that the IPCC has the edge so far...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on December 20, 2007, 01:20:46 PM
Find ONE scientifically-peer-reviewed-and-approved report that says global warming isn't happening OR that it is happening and man definitely isn't the cause.

One.

You can't (unless there's been one published over the last 18 months) because they don't exist. Is the entire international scientific community part of a left wing conspiracy to get Al Gore elected? As things stand right now, the United States is the only country on Earth that even has educated people arguing against global warming. And how on Earth did this ever become a political argument? Oh right, oil companies. I forgot.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on December 20, 2007, 01:58:56 PM
those pesky plants and all that stupid oxygen they give off.  kill them all.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on December 20, 2007, 04:13:21 PM
Find ONE scientifically-peer-reviewed-and-approved report that says global warming isn't happening OR that it is happening and man definitely isn't the cause.

One.

You can't (unless there's been one published over the last 18 months) because they don't exist. Is the entire international scientific community part of a left wing conspiracy to get Al Gore elected? As things stand right now, the United States is the only country on Earth that even has educated people arguing against global warming. And how on Earth did this ever become a political argument? Oh right, oil companies. I forgot.

It's all a bunch of silly nonsense

The temperature of the Earth has risen 1 freakin degree over the last century. Who really gives a shtein.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on December 23, 2007, 07:13:52 PM
Find ONE scientifically-peer-reviewed-and-approved report that says global warming isn't happening OR that it is happening and man definitely isn't the cause.

One.

You can't (unless there's been one published over the last 18 months) because they don't exist. Is the entire international scientific community part of a left wing conspiracy to get Al Gore elected? As things stand right now, the United States is the only country on Earth that even has educated people arguing against global warming. And how on Earth did this ever become a political argument? Oh right, oil companies. I forgot.

You know, I am not going to be ignorant and say we haven othing to do with some of this, but come on!! We have been taking measurements for what 100-200 years? How old is the earth? show me a report that faults man for the last warming of the earth or the last ice age and how the earth came out of that. It's a bunch of gobbliegoop and the shleps that just fall in line and just blame mankind instead of looking at the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng history of this earth crack me up. And no it's not an attemp to elect Al gore, it's just all the sheeps falling in line baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on December 23, 2007, 08:19:41 PM
theres a difference between not caring that its real and denying its real
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on December 23, 2007, 09:00:30 PM
Not one that should matter to anyone that votes Democrat on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on December 23, 2007, 10:07:40 PM
Find ONE scientifically-peer-reviewed-and-approved report that says global warming isn't happening OR that it is happening and man definitely isn't the cause.

One.

You can't (unless there's been one published over the last 18 months) because they don't exist. Is the entire international scientific community part of a left wing conspiracy to get Al Gore elected? As things stand right now, the United States is the only country on Earth that even has educated people arguing against global warming. And how on Earth did this ever become a political argument? Oh right, oil companies. I forgot.

You know, I am not going to be ignorant and say we haven othing to do with some of this, but come on!! We have been taking measurements for what 100-200 years? How old is the earth? show me a report that faults man for the last warming of the earth or the last ice age and how the earth came out of that. It's a bunch of gobbliegoop and the shleps that just fall in line and just blame mankind instead of looking at the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng history of this earth crack me up. And no it's not an attemp to elect Al gore, it's just all the sheeps falling in line baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Scientifically accepted age is 4.6 Billion years. And I'm sorry but drilling into ice, measuring oxygen and saying they can get an accurate read on temperature from however long ago is total nonsense. Less than 1% of CO2 in the atmosphere is man made and the Earth's temperature has only risen 1.1 degree Fahrenheit over the last century. That's not even factoring into the equation that thermometers have gotten much better over the past 100 years so who really knows how accurate or off those readings were. The time of the greatest pollution on Earth occurred immediately after WW2 and there was a steady decline in temperature not a rise. Global Warming is a bunch of nonsense for hippy liberals to point fingers and say "we told you so". Meanwhile environmental groups -which are nothing but big business and provide basically no good to the environment - raise more money and are seeing record profits. As far as Gore and his dumb movie British courts identified 11 inaccuracies (http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/10/09/court-identifies-eleven-inaccuracies-al-gore-s-inconvenient-truth) that must be revealed prior to showing the alarmist movie to school children.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on December 24, 2007, 09:52:07 AM
Stop it, you are disturbing the sheep
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on December 24, 2007, 10:22:58 AM
So it's just a giant liberal scam?  All the peer reviewed science which supports this scam is a coordinated effort to mislead the people of the world?

For what end, to whose benefit?  Who loses/wins by wasting less, conserving more, going more efficient and polluting less?

Do you deniers think the next step is that Al Gore is gonna take your guns, make you marry your brothers, and burn the flag every July 4th or something?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on December 24, 2007, 12:30:38 PM
That sounds like a fun America.  Only, I don't have any real brothers, so I'd have to marry you, Dio.  In?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on December 24, 2007, 01:15:08 PM
So it's just a giant liberal scam?  All the peer reviewed science which supports this scam is a coordinated effort to mislead the people of the world?

For what end, to whose benefit?  Who loses/wins by wasting less, conserving more, going more efficient and polluting less?

Do you deniers think the next step is that Al Gore is gonna take your guns, make you marry your brothers, and burn the flag every July 4th or something?

No, that's Edwards.  ;)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on December 24, 2007, 02:05:30 PM
So it's just a giant liberal scam? 

Not really, I just added that in because I'm disgruntled. In reality I lean more to the left. I also voted for Gore 8 years ago.

Despite what I say I do my best to conserve, it's more my nature than the influence of any Scientist/Politician. I just think GW is a bunch of alarmist nonsense. America is a wasteful country, people won't change their lives/habits if it inconveniences them, they'll buy Hybrids and recycle to feel good about themselves then pat themselves on the back and let everyone know they're doing their part. In reality they'll still buy shtein they don't need and waste gas rather than walk to the store because laziness and affluenza will always reign supreme. As for the actual science there are solid arguments that support both sides of the issue, after taking an Environmental Conservation class and doing some research I chose the Global Warming is bullshtein side rather than buy into the hysteria.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Magical_Retard on December 24, 2007, 02:17:57 PM
So it's just a giant liberal scam?  All the peer reviewed science which supports this scam is a coordinated effort to mislead the people of the world?

For what end, to whose benefit?  Who loses/wins by wasting less, conserving more, going more efficient and polluting less?

Do you deniers think the next step is that Al Gore is gonna take your guns, make you marry your brothers, and burn the flag every July 4th or something?

i believe i know the answer to this. i was watching the daily show few months back and they showed a clip of some analyst on fox news claiming the global warming issue is a liberal agenda to make americans live like the 3rd world because the liberals feel like americans do not deserve the life style we live and we should be blamed for the problems of the 3rd world.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 02, 2008, 03:09:29 PM
Got your ski jacket ready, Jerome99RIP? (http://www.local6.com/weather/14959516/detail.html)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 02, 2008, 07:44:54 PM
Got your ski jacket ready, Jerome99RIP? (http://www.local6.com/weather/14959516/detail.html)

We've got a freeze warning down here.  Could even be in the 20s for lows.  All the weather forecasters are  in a tizzy.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 02, 2008, 08:01:14 PM
I love how the deniers use this thread to post every time the weather turns cold for a day.  So funny.

Anyone see the video of that dude surfing the glacier melt tidal wave?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 02, 2008, 09:33:24 PM
No, the irony is that the deniers ask what we can learn from 100 years of collected data, throw out the entire science of Geology, but show up and say "what global warning" every time there is a cold snap.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 02, 2008, 09:36:12 PM
Who's denying anything?  All I said is that it's going to be darn cold down here in Sunny Naples Florida tonight.

Actually will be colder tonight than it was in Portland, Maine when I left there yesterday.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 02, 2008, 09:39:03 PM
Who's denying anything?

Anyone who feels it is appropriate to post the current weather to this thread.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 02, 2008, 09:41:51 PM
Who's denying anything?

Anyone who feels it is appropriate to post the current weather to this thread.

Give me a break.  I responded to a post about snowflurries in Florida.  I have denied nothing.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 03, 2008, 08:13:09 AM
@ GEOWHIZZER:

Hey, dumbass, they're not calling you a "denier".... they're calling me one.

Thanks.


But for serious, I've never argued the warming trend.  I continue to dissent, however, on whether or not humans have any significant effect on it.  It doesn't stop me from doing all the little things to conserve/recycle/etc in my own life, but because I don't goose-step in line with the Al Gore crowd, I'm an evil right-wing Earth hater.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 03, 2008, 08:39:35 AM
@ GEOWHIZZER:

Hey, dumbass, they're not calling you a "denier".... they're calling me one.

Thanks.


It certainly seemed to me (albeit with 3 hours of sleep the night before thanks to flying home from a blizzard) that they were lumping me in with you.  And that's the last thing anyone wants.  So stuff it, denier.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 03, 2008, 09:57:52 AM
@ GEOWHIZZER:

Hey, dumbass, they're not calling you a "denier".... they're calling me one.

Thanks.

It sure is cold outside today
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 03, 2008, 10:01:54 AM
17 degrees this morning...global warming!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 03, 2008, 12:02:44 PM
Shut up, you right wing denier fargheads!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 03, 2008, 12:06:21 PM
The real reason the Earth is warming is because I'm keeping her insulated with my testicular sack skin. Like a massive comfy cocoon.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Butchers Bill on January 03, 2008, 12:34:13 PM

Rooskie scientist says get ready for global cooling!! (http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 03, 2008, 12:43:45 PM
That theory has been out there for a while Bill, i saw a special back on Discovery or TLC in 98 maybe earlier about the earth heating up, then having a cold spot, that cold spot would be the beginning of the next ice age.  How thru time the earth goes in repetitive cycles, and that this time around, humans have only sped up the process and killed off countless species
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 12:46:09 PM
countless species>humans
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 03, 2008, 12:46:45 PM
Hey there, Kimodo Dragon!  Why you got your big tail waggin'?  Your numbers are down; they're down to 5000...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 03, 2008, 12:51:36 PM
turn off The Soup and do some work
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 03, 2008, 12:53:20 PM
My feet are cold.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on January 03, 2008, 12:53:40 PM
turn off The Soup and take a dirt nap


corrected
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 03, 2008, 01:29:35 PM
There would be very little activity on :CF if death wishes were taken seriously.

Speaking of which, I wonder if NB has offed himself yet..?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 03, 2008, 01:37:21 PM
Oh NB where are Ye?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 03, 2008, 01:39:35 PM
I'm sure he has some great theories on this.

It's a shame IGY and NB didn't get to square off, with CardTrader and Munson chiming in for pure comedy.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on January 03, 2008, 05:40:51 PM
I'm sure he has some great theories on this.

It's a shame IGY and NB didn't get to square off, with CardTrader and Munson chiming in for pure comedy.

I wonder if he still thinks Arizona has the best o-line in the game, good news for Al Gore, it will hit 50 this weekend, all this snow and -6 degrees will be gone for the weekend!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 07, 2008, 10:04:51 AM
No, the irony is that the deniers ask what we can learn from 100 years of collected data, throw out the entire science of Geology, but show up and say "what global warning" every time there is a cold snap.

It's not cold anymore.  You guys must be correct about everything now.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 07, 2008, 03:29:10 PM
Every window in my house is open, it's like I'm back in San Diego
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 14, 2008, 08:26:26 AM
I feel smart for postponing my trip to New Hampshire.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 18, 2008, 08:23:18 AM
Irony at its finest. (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bay_environment/blog/2008/01/global_warming_protest_snowed.html)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 18, 2008, 08:41:05 AM
Irony at its finest. (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bay_environment/blog/2008/01/global_warming_protest_snowed.html)

The comments that follow that article are hilarious and spot on
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 18, 2008, 08:47:39 AM
rjs?

Quote
Global warming causes snow storms.
And hemorrhoids.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 19, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
Another reason I hate Global Warming:

They decided to install water saving devices in all the toilets in my devolopment. I guess with these things they can cut water consumption by 1/3. Only thing is I take gargantuan shteins and it takes - this is no lie - 3 or 4 flushes to get it all down. Depending on the amount of toilet paper I use half the time I will flush upwards of 7 or 8 times before I'll finally say farg it and use the plunger. So I called the office and told them my problem and they came out and adjusted it which has done nothing. I don't ask for much in life, but I treasure my time on the toilet, so here's a big farg you to GW.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 19, 2008, 11:38:46 AM
I believe global warming is real, but right now in Chitown it's 2 below zero with -30 wind chills.  That'll last through tomorrow.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 19, 2008, 11:46:13 AM
So, everyone knows that the impact of global warming isn't that it's going to be warm every day right? In fact it contributes to more extreme weather including ridiculous drops in temperature. Just wanted to put that out there. I mean, I know how hilarious it is to talk about how cold it is in the Global Warming thread, but seriously it stopped being funny before the first joke was made.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on January 19, 2008, 11:48:15 AM
global warming is fake...the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on January 19, 2008, 11:51:09 AM
I feel ya MMH it's -5 out here in western Il. brutal.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 19, 2008, 11:51:59 AM
global warming is fake...the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 19, 2008, 12:38:19 PM
Ostriches.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 19, 2008, 01:52:22 PM
Yeah, I know it fluctuates weather, which is why I haven't had green grass in two years.  Just commenting on how balls-freezing cold it is here.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 19, 2008, 02:53:42 PM
I installed a water saving toilet in my buddie's house about three months ago.  It works like a charm.  I've had the pleasure of watching my own shin-length  shtein snakes sluice down the hole with only one flush several times. 

Maybe the toilets your development installed are cheap pieces of crap, SD?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: hbionic on January 19, 2008, 03:07:29 PM
Triple word bonus and great use of the word sluice.

 :-D
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Butchers Bill on January 19, 2008, 03:15:27 PM
I installed a water saving toilet in my buddie's house about three months ago.  It works like a charm.  I've had the pleasure of watching my own shin-length  shtein snakes sluice down the hole with only one flush several times. 

Maybe the toilets your development installed are cheap pieces of crap, SD?

Werd.

I installed one in my house a few months ago and the farging thing is like a jet engine when I flush.  One-third of the water but 5x the power of a normal shteinter.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on January 19, 2008, 03:27:17 PM
Don't screw around with water saving devices in normal toilets - the toilets themselves are not designed to work with the reduced water volume.  Go buy yourself a good 6lpf toilet, and you won't have any problems, and be you'll be using less than half the water.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on January 19, 2008, 06:10:47 PM
Northern Minnesota hit -36 last night.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 19, 2008, 09:36:07 PM
Maybe the toilets your development installed are cheap pieces of crap, SD?

Could be, or it could be that I take monster shteins. My devolpment flips for the water bill so I don't think that's the problem.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 21, 2008, 12:47:02 PM
So, everyone knows that the impact of global warming isn't that it's going to be warm every day right? In fact it contributes to more extreme weather including ridiculous drops in temperature. Just wanted to put that out there. I mean, I know how hilarious it is to talk about how cold it is in the Global Warming thread, but seriously it stopped being funny before the first joke was made.

Stop being serious rjs and go back to 9-beers-in-2-hours rjs.  Thanks in advance, cupcake.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: fansince61 on January 21, 2008, 01:52:04 PM
6lpf

I speak Canadian!     6lpf = 1.4 gallons
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on January 21, 2008, 04:47:14 PM
It's farging cold. Everyone who lives in the north is a moron.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 21, 2008, 05:46:15 PM
Says the kid who studies at Towson State
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 24, 2008, 12:03:31 PM
Public Enemy #1: David Beckham (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7712508)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 28, 2008, 10:53:04 AM
watched a show about global warming and the ice age.  Basically they said that with global warming, bringing about the ice age.  I had no idea the ice age was only a decrease in the overall temperature by 10 degrees.  They said that you'll see the UK turned into Iceland, and the Chesapeake bay freezing over every winter. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 28, 2008, 11:45:11 AM
Judging from the Earth's weather cycle we're in between ice ages, there will be another one in the future it's just very unpredictable. Present day climate is actually very calm as far as the Earth goes.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 28, 2008, 12:57:17 PM
They said that you'll see the UK turned into Iceland

If it turns pasty white British women with horrible teeth into Icelandic hotties then I'm all for it. 



Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 28, 2008, 07:02:53 PM
My wife brought two canvas bags to the SuperFresh today instead of using their bags.

They gave us a 4 cent credit for saving them the plastic bags.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on January 29, 2008, 08:19:56 AM
My wife brought two canvas bags to the SuperFresh today instead of using their bags.

They gave us a 4 cent credit for saving them the plastic bags.

Our local store clerk looked at me like I was a wack job (I know imagine that) casue I brought my own plastic bags to re-use. We have a holder for them in the garage and we get way to many it's amazing at the amount you can build up. Also found out our new town does not recycle, you have to bring it yourself to their drop off which we do, but I can't imagine more then 10% of this town does this. what a shame.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 29, 2008, 10:10:02 AM
My wife brought two canvas bags to the SuperFresh today instead of using their bags.

They gave us a 4 cent credit for saving them the plastic bags.

I've got an 80lb dog with an active colon.  I need all the plastic bags I can get. 


Also, it was 65 degrees in Kansas City yesterday.  Today's forcast:  34 and snow. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on January 29, 2008, 10:12:08 AM

I've got an 80lb dog with an active colon.  I need all the plastic bags I can get. 


Amen to that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on January 31, 2008, 01:21:33 AM
(http://www.someecards.com/filestorage/ghog_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phillymic2000 on March 05, 2008, 07:29:23 PM
Funny haven't heard from AL all winter, he must be waiting for the 90 degree summer days. His arse would get kicked real hard if he gave one of his talks in the rockford area.

http://www.citizensugar.com/1093812

Found this funny
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 04, 2008, 07:59:02 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm

Quote
Global warming 'dips this year'
By Roger Harrabin
BBC News environment analyst

La Nina caused some of the coldest temperatures in memory in China
Global temperatures will drop slightly this year due to the cooling effect of the La Nina current in the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said.

The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into the summer.

This would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory.

But experts say we are still clearly in a long-term warming trend - and they forecast a new record high temperature within five years.

The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C.

Rises 'stalled'

La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round the world.

El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This year, the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina.

It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of the coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China.

Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a degree.

This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world.

Watching trends

A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted.

But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average for the century.

"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming.

"La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La Nina."

Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared it with further back in the 20th Century.

Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time we are confident that the current record temperature of 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended."


Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 04, 2008, 08:02:08 AM
we had a very mild winter...I shoveled snow only once, and it was less than 3 inches

obviously global warming is still hot to trot
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 04, 2008, 08:03:35 AM
we had a very mild winter...I shoveled snow only once, and it was less than 3 inches

obviously global warming is still hot to trot

No complaints from me

 its called 'Global Warming' not Eastern United States warming
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 04, 2008, 08:21:39 AM
and it's your fault denier
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 04, 2008, 08:25:53 AM
A piece of Antarctica the size of Connecticut broke off last week. Geologists had predicted that it will break off in 10-15 years.  (Now if only we could get Connecticut itself to break off from North America and drown all of the investment bankers we'd be on to something.)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 04, 2008, 08:29:57 AM
Hey now...leave northeastern and northwestern CT out of it...nice rural folk up there.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 04, 2008, 08:30:39 AM
New Englanders must burn. (Or drown as the case may be.)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 04, 2008, 08:32:14 AM
http://www.treehugger.com/gogreen.php
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 08:51:06 AM
The truth to this lies somewhere between Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 04, 2008, 08:55:24 AM
and along that spectrum, a hell of a lot closer to Gore
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on April 04, 2008, 08:59:23 AM
Was there a "how to green your nocturnal emission" topic on there?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on April 04, 2008, 08:59:45 AM
The truth to this lies somewhere between Al Gore and Rush Limbaugh.


except its not a political issue....global warming has massive bipartisan support and when you see that happening on an "issue" generally its truth
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 09:16:59 AM
I didn't say it was political.  The Al Gore point of view is that we are in a near-hopeless death spiral of global warming.  The Rush Limbaugh point of view is that it's all a bunch of hooey.

The real truth is in between those two extremes.  Period.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 04, 2008, 09:19:09 AM
How bout the temperature of the Earth is indeed rising but it has nothing to do with humans
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 09:22:00 AM
How bout the temperature of the Earth is indeed rising but it has nothing to do with humans

That is one of the middle-road points of view.

Again, the problem is that due to popular culture and "An Inconvenient Truth", anyone that even questions the ridiculous extremes presented by some alarmists is labeled an extremist or an earth-hater right off the bat.

farging politically correct yahoos, the lot of them.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on April 04, 2008, 09:50:16 AM
if SD's teacher says global warming is make believe, I don't really know how you can argue with that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 04, 2008, 09:54:03 AM
On one side, 1200 scientists from countries all over the world presenting peer-reviewed research.

On the other side, individuals presenting contradictory, anecdotal evidence.

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 04, 2008, 09:57:27 AM
There's absolutely no correlation between man and global warming. The fact that it started at the same time as the industrial revolution and man's greatest concerted effort to produce CO2 is purely coincidental. Purely.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 10:03:45 AM
Thanks for proving my point, all.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 04, 2008, 10:10:05 AM
There's absolutely no correlation between man and global warming. The fact that it started at the same time as the industrial revolution and man's greatest concerted effort to produce CO2 is purely coincidental. Purely.

The Industrial Revolution started around 1750. Weather temperatures have only been being kept for the last 100-150 years, not to mention thermometers have gotten a heck of a lot more accurate and there was no satellite data until 30-40 years ago. I'd also like to remind everyone the Earth is 4.6 Billion years old.

if SD's teacher says global warming is make believe, I don't really know how you can argue with that.

I'd think a Professor that teaches an Environmental Conservation class knows a little more than a bunch of Eagles fans posting on CF.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 04, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
So wait - is it not global warming because we don't have accurate records over a long enough time period, or is it not global warming because it was a snowy winter this year?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 10:16:29 AM
This has nothing to do with your favorite NFL team.  It has to do with the lack of critical thought amongst the group of party-line Liberal Democrats that post here.  Some of them call themselves Independents or Libertarians, but the bottom line is that if you deviate to the right from the DNC platform on any issue here, you're automatically a right-wing zealout.  However, going even further left on things like regulation and class warfare is totally cool.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 04, 2008, 10:17:39 AM
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on April 04, 2008, 10:19:03 AM
case closed.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on April 04, 2008, 10:21:09 AM
The world's population has gone from about 1.65 billion in 1900 to 6.6 billion today.

But sure, we've had no effect on the climate.  None at all.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 04, 2008, 10:25:08 AM
Quote
Main Entry:
    zeal·ot
Pronunciation:
    \ˈze-lət\
Function:
    noun
Etymology:
    Late Latin zelotes, from Greek zēlōtēs, from zēlos
Date:
    1537

1capitalized : a member of a fanatical sect arising in Judea during the first century a.d. and militantly opposing the Roman domination of Palestine2: a zealous person; especially : a fanatical partisan <a religious zealot>

Quote
Main Entry:
    lout
Function:
    noun
Etymology:
    perhaps from 1lout
Date:
    1542

: an awkward brutish person

zealout - an awkward, brutish fanatical partisan?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 10:25:22 AM
Denying man's involvement in climate change is akin in retardation levels to denying the impact of natural climate cycles and environmental changes not related to man.

Plus, like I've said before, what's the worst that will happen if you make personal decisions to conserve and recycle?  The issue comes in to finding the balance in larger-scale economic factors versus issues with climate change.  Let's just say that the whole carbon credit system as it stands now lends itself more to profiteering than it does to actual conservation.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 10:27:22 AM
zealout - an awkward, brutish fanatical partisan?

I think IGY's official definition is more like this:

zealout - even worse than a zealot
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 04, 2008, 10:29:20 AM
ya well we gotta start somewhere

also, Gore is hardly extremist doomsayer...he's preaching hope and change, that we can do something if we act now.  so stop the zealout spin...he's right and time will prove it, even to the likes of you
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 10:35:04 AM
He's a fat, money-loving white man from the South.  He can only be an extremist to a certain degree.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on April 04, 2008, 10:37:31 AM
There's a huge difference between being a zealot and being someone who realizes we all have to make subtle changes in how we live if our way of life is to continue.

Adding four times the number of humans on the planet in 100 years is having a catastrophic effect on all of us.

Sooner or later nature itself is going to rebel and wipe a lot of us out.  If I'm one of them, all the better.  Just let the Eagles win a Super Bowl first, please, and I'll be happy to succumb to mother nature's vendetta.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 04, 2008, 10:38:00 AM
I have no problem with Gore precahing hope and change...considering America is the most wasteful nation the Earth has ever known he's picked a great place to start.
But he is the King of the extremist doomsayers. He's more of a limousine liberal than anything.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 04, 2008, 10:38:38 AM
I, for one, blame Mexicans for the global warming hoax.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 10:40:05 AM
Ted Turner said it best.  Anyone who has more than 2 kids should be forced to offer up extras to feed the hungry.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on April 04, 2008, 10:40:18 AM
i blame them for just about everything, including the near uninhabitable conditions of the portapotty i used today
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 04, 2008, 10:40:45 AM
Sun, which of your 3 kids do you like the least?  I'm hungry.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on April 04, 2008, 10:41:51 AM
i blame them for just about everything, including the near uninhabitable conditions of the portapotty i used today

they were made for dropping a deuce in.  i don't think they're supposed to be habitable.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on April 04, 2008, 10:43:27 AM
they all have their endearing qualities...one can fly, one can shoot red lasers from his eyes, and one has an exoskeleton made completely from adamantium and can heal at an amazing rate

it's a tough call
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 04, 2008, 10:45:52 AM
Cyclops is a fag.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 04, 2008, 10:47:23 AM
Cyclops is a fag.

agreed. he goes
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on April 04, 2008, 10:49:09 AM
good call, he ruined all our pictures anyway
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on April 04, 2008, 10:58:45 AM
I really wish I knew what you geeks were talking about.

Oh, wait, no I don't.

Die.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on April 04, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
I, for one, blame Mexicans for the global warming hoax.

If that were true, it would be NAFTA warming.  And it would be cheaper to fix.

Ted Turner said it best.  Anyone who has more than 2 kids should be forced to offer up extras to feed the hungry.

I have three.  But I took one from somebody else that only had one.  So, I think I'm really at a -1 on that scale.

Cyclops is a fag.

John Goodman was a great cyclops.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 04, 2008, 11:09:39 AM
Cyclops is a fag.

John Goodman was a great cyclops.

Big Dan Teague was quite the loveable racist.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 18, 2008, 11:21:46 AM
I thought you'd all want to know this: Last night after the Flyers won in OT they showed a guy holding up a sign that read "Thrilla in Phila." - gay sign I know but that was my Environmental Conservation Professor that says gw is a bunch of bs.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on April 18, 2008, 05:22:18 PM
Charlton Heston (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozO4YB98mCY) on global warming.

Intoxicating vanity! HA!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 21, 2008, 03:21:18 PM
irony (http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/04/21/5343616-sun.html)


BTW, anyone else catch the new commercials with Pelosi/Gingrich and Sharpton/Robertson?  Somewhat effective, but also somewhat vomit-inducing.

The Sharpton/Robertson one had them sharing a love seat on the beach.  Yep.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 22, 2008, 03:51:08 PM
Gore used footage from "The Day After Tomorrow" in "An Inconvenient Truth" (http://newsbusters.org/stories/al_gore_used_fictional_video_inconvenient_truth.html?q=blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/22/abc-s-20-20-gore-used-fictional-film-clip-inconvenient-truth)

Nyoice.  "Documentary" is more of a guideline than a rule anymore.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on April 22, 2008, 04:01:55 PM
Thats hilarious
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 22, 2008, 11:43:02 PM
I'll just throw this in here since its more tree hugging nonsense:

http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/store/item.aspx?ItemId=5201&FID=2006

Quote
Eagles Forest Tree
Item # TREE
$62.00
 Eagles fans, here's your opportunity to plant a tree in the Eagles Forest!
Located at Neshaminy State Park in Bensalem, PA, and planted to help offset the Eagles greenhouse gas emissions, the Eagles Forest is a 6.5 acre site that serves as access to the Delaware riverfront and walking trails in the park. Your tree will be planted in the forest and will help trap about a ton of harmful carbon gasses in it's lifetime. All those purchasing a tree will receive a card acknowledging the purchase. If you'd like to plant your tree in honor of a loved one, please enter their name in the personalization box below and a card will be written to commemorate the gift. Thank you and Go Green!

Please expect 2-4 weeks for delivery.

To view an aerial photo of the Eagles Forest click here.

(http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/items/1057-01_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 23, 2008, 06:39:43 AM
Bullshtein profiteering is what I'd call it.  It costs about 20 cents to plant a tree.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 23, 2008, 06:45:39 AM
less if I'm on the job
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 23, 2008, 07:45:54 AM
Bullshtein profiteering is what I'd call it.  It costs about 20 cents to plant a tree.

But the $62 spent makes you feel good...like you really did something bhahahaha. People are stupid.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on April 23, 2008, 09:06:38 AM
Wow!

You can join the Arbor Day Foundation and get 10 free trees a year or something like that.

http://www.arborday.org/ (http://www.arborday.org/)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on April 23, 2008, 09:19:07 AM
Wow!

You can join the Arbor Day Foundation and get 10 free trees a year or something like that.

http://www.arborday.org/ (http://www.arborday.org/)

For a $10 membership fee.  It's a great deal if you want trees.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on April 23, 2008, 11:36:12 AM
Better then 62$ per tree in someone elses forest...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 23, 2008, 12:46:43 PM
An observation that shows Canada isn't quite the tree-hugging mecca it claims:

I've recently noticed that both of my neighbors will get in the car, drive 5 minutes to Tim Hortons, buy coffee, and immediately return home.  One does this every morning.  They do sell coffee pots up here...Timmy's isn't that good... ???
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Butchers Bill on April 25, 2008, 01:31:17 PM
Greenpeace founder says humans DO NOT cause GW, and we should all go nuclear. (http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/360625.html)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 25, 2008, 01:50:58 PM
Wow, there is so much wrong here it hurts my head:
Quote
Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough...

So, your statement is simply wrong.  Saying there is no proof is very different than saying it isn't true.

Quote
that the world should turn to nuclear power - a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose.

WTF - opposing the testing of nuclear weapons is equal to opposing nuclear power?  Brilliant!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on April 25, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
Greenpeace founder says humans DO NOT cause GW, and we should all go nuclear. (http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/360625.html)

I watched an interview with that guy and he basically hates what Green Peace has become and that he ever founded it. And I'm all for Nuclear energy, aside from Chernobyl - which was more human error - there haven't been any major disasters. The only problem with Nuclear energy is the where to put the waste. But that pales in comparison to the pollution caused from fossil fuels.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Butchers Bill on April 25, 2008, 03:15:22 PM
Wow, there is so much wrong here it hurts my head:
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Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough...

Saying there is no proof is very different than saying it isn't true.


Good point.  There is no proof that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist, so he must.

All he is saying is that he is guessing...just like all the Goreists out there.  There is no proof, so we'll just make up a reason that will support our socio-political objectives.

Reminds me of religion actually.  Man made up dieties to help explain what he did not understand about nature...not all that dissimilar when you think about it.  Both religion and the Goreists exist for the same reason...to extract donations from the commoners who don't know any better.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 25, 2008, 03:32:25 PM
I didn't say that there wasn't proof, I said that you are fulll of shtein.

Yeah, let's ignore all the physical evidence that was analyzed and reviewed by over 1200 scientists who concluded in a report which was toned down to satisfy factions from the US and China that global warming was real, and that it was very likely caused by the industrial revolution.  You know, that report that started this thread.

I might listen to the deniers if they could come up with a consistent story...but every week it is something different:

There might be some credibility there if they could pick one story and stick to it.  They deniers can't even agree if there is actually global warming or not.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Butchers Bill on April 25, 2008, 03:43:59 PM
Its really pretty simple.  The Earth has warmed and cooled before, and will continue to do so with or without man. 

That doesn't mean we should throw all environmental regulations out the window, but lets be a little sensible.  Should 'greenhouse gases' be reduced?  Sure, I am all for that within reason, but its not going to stop the world from getting any warmer.

   
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on April 25, 2008, 04:10:39 PM
There is evidence that supports a theory but in science theories unlike religous beleifs are meant to be challenged by alternate theories backed by evidence to the contrary. The issue has become a heated debate with lots of emotion somehow when really it's all just part of the scientific process.



Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Butchers Bill on April 25, 2008, 04:16:11 PM
There is evidence that supports a theory but in science theories unlike religous beleifs are meant to be challenged by alternate theories backed by evidence to the contrary. The issue has become a heated debate with lots of emotion somehow when really it's all just part of the scientific process.





Sadly in this age, its easier to call someone an 'idiot' or 'full of shtein' than to actually think someone elses opinion has any value.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on April 25, 2008, 04:32:16 PM
Even sadder is the fact that we are all idiotically full of shtein.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on April 25, 2008, 04:34:35 PM
That being said I do think the evidence leans in favor of some sort of climate change, however global warming is really too simplistic. Weather patterns are changing globally in some cases warmer and in some cases colder.

The Earths cooling and warming cycles happen over hundreds of thousands of years, however humans have not been recording temperatures long enough to prove anything. The most compelling evidence I've seen are in Glacier changes which can be tracked through time geologocally. Some (not all) Glaciers have retracted in a hunderd years what normally cylces over thousands of years. Of course all of that is debatable as every glacier isn't going to act the same given the circumstances.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on April 25, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
Even sadder is the fact that we are all idiotically full of shtein.

This
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 25, 2008, 04:37:40 PM
Even sadder is when people do...

This
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Wingspan on April 25, 2008, 04:45:29 PM
There is evidence that supports a theory but in science theories unlike religous beleifs are meant to be challenged by alternate theories backed by evidence to the contrary. The issue has become a heated debate with lots of emotion somehow when really it's all just part of the scientific process.





Sadly in this age, its easier to call someone an 'idiot' or 'full of shtein' than to actually think someone elses opinion has any value.

It's always been easier to do that, idiot.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Father Demon on April 25, 2008, 04:59:27 PM
There is evidence that supports a theory but in science theories unlike religous beleifs are meant to be challenged by alternate theories backed by evidence to the contrary. The issue has become a heated debate with lots of emotion somehow when really it's all just part of the scientific process.





Sadly in this age, its easier to call someone an 'idiot' or 'full of shtein' than to actually think someone elses opinion has any value.

It's always been easier to do that, idiot.

Stop it.  You're full of shtein.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 26, 2008, 06:06:59 AM
Sadly in this age, its easier to call someone an 'idiot' or 'full of shtein' than to actually think someone elses opinion has any value.

The full of shtein comment was in direct response to your taking a quote and changing its meaning to suit your agenda.  That is, quite objectively, bullshtein.

I already explained why I'm not interested in your opinion.  To complete my thought, every time someone pokes a hole in a denier theory, the deniers answer with a new theory.  This is inherently not credible.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 26, 2008, 06:54:56 AM
To Joel and his ilk, global warming is a vast left wing elitist conspiracy to take all our money and ruin all our economies so they can ...  buy more pocket protectors and books or something...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Butchers Bill on April 26, 2008, 09:12:55 AM
To Joel and his ilk, global warming is a vast left wing elitist conspiracy to take all our money and ruin all our economies so they can ...  buy more pocket protectors and books or something...

If thats all your simple mind can comprehend, so be it.  Its easy to lump everyone who disagrees with you into a convenient package that you can disparage, but I do not subscribe to anything you just said.

Cerevant, thanks for proving my point.  You can suck it as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on April 26, 2008, 03:45:54 PM
It is not sufficient to simply produce a contrary opinion - there must be evidence to support it for a skeptical mind to consider it.  The knee-jerk reaction from every pseudo scientist on this issue has been the "natural cycle" theory.  If you think the scientists who participated in this study did not put this at the top of their possible explanations, you are a fool.  Physical evidence covering thousands of years and further have not shown a cycle remotely similar to what is happening now.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on May 01, 2008, 09:38:52 AM
Natural cooling cycle to cancel the effect of global warming for the next decade. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/30/eaclimate130.xml)

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Researchers studying long-term changes in sea temperatures said they now expect a "lull" for up to a decade while natural variations in climate cancel out the increases caused by man-made greenhouse gas emissions.
    
Global warming may stop, scientists predict The study predicts the IPCC's 0.3ºC temperature rise for the next decade may not happen
Melting icebergs: The study predicts the IPCC's 0.3ºC temperature rise for the next decade may not happen

The average temperature of the sea around Europe and North America is expected to cool slightly over the decade while the tropical Pacific remains unchanged.

This would mean that the 0.3°C global average temperature rise which has been predicted for the next decade by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change may not happen, according to the paper published in the scientific journal Nature.

However, the effect of rising fossil fuel emissions will mean that warming will accelerate again after 2015 when natural trends in the oceans veer back towards warming, according to the computer model.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on May 01, 2008, 09:52:05 AM
That doesn't smell like a big pile of excuses at all.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on May 01, 2008, 10:13:43 AM
Yeah, those natural cycles are a bunch of hooey.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on May 01, 2008, 10:18:06 AM
Natural cycles are absolutely not a bunch of hooey.  The hilarious part is that the unrelenting tree huggers are trying to shove aside the period of natural cooling as an anomaly but embrace the periods of warming as primarily human-caused.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on May 01, 2008, 10:23:37 AM
Side A: The current trend is deviating from all current available evidence, tending to be warmer than in the past.

Side B: That's because there is a natural cycle that is making it warmer.
Side B: Oh, and sun spots.  That too.
Side B: Hey, its getting cooler, see, you guys were wrong!

Side A: Well, there is a natural downturn in global surface temperatures.  Temperatures are still higher than expected, but in absolute terms, the natural cycle is going to mask the effect of man-made warming.

Side B: See, I told you the natural cycle was making it warmer cooler.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on May 01, 2008, 11:58:03 AM
A: Glaciers are retreating faster then any cycle we've ever seen

B: Anomalies happen all the time in nature

A: You have no scientific evidence to apply that to glaciers

B: Shut up I hate you! Stop telling me how to live prick face!!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on May 02, 2008, 07:02:58 AM
lol
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on May 14, 2008, 11:29:33 PM
President Bush ackowledges that global warming is real.


Sorry about the damn Yahoo commercial to get the the video...
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7800623&ch=7684298&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7800623&ch=7684298&src=news)

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on May 16, 2008, 03:19:43 PM
people that do everything possible to deny the existence of global warming make me laugh...even if its not true why wouldnt we do everything possible to make sure it doesnt happen...or how about we do everything possible to just make the earth a cleaner place in general...


even if global warming is completely made up (and i dont think it is) as long as it forces people to treat the planet better im all for its false existence
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on May 16, 2008, 03:31:01 PM
Usually the ones who will stop at nothing to dispel the possibility that global warming is real are the same clowns who are positive that God exists.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on May 16, 2008, 03:37:07 PM
Usually the ones who will stop at nothing to dispel the possibility that global warming is real are the same clowns who are positive that God exists.

I think Global warming is very real.
God I'm not completely sure about.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on May 16, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
fascinating
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on May 16, 2008, 08:25:21 PM
fascinating
(http://crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/mr_spock.jpg)

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on May 28, 2008, 06:02:52 AM
Czech Pres. wants to debate Gore (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/208338,czech-president-klaus-ready-to-debate-gore-on-climate-change.html)

Gore's not going to debate anyone on this, which is sad.  His argument would be so much more powerful if he would stick to the actual truth without embellishments and directly answer detractor's questions about his science.

Instead, his alarmist tactics from "An Inconvenient Truth" are going to end up derailing even the legitimate parts of his argument.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on May 28, 2008, 06:27:30 AM
Alarmist?  ha
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Cerevant on May 28, 2008, 08:10:38 AM
Gore is not a scientist, and he knows it.  He is a publicist, and he's very good at that job.  The real debate takes place in the scientific community, and the deniers are losing that battle.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on May 28, 2008, 08:31:02 AM
The real debate takes place in the scientific community, and the deniers are losing that battle.

It's the most one-sided scientific 'argument' since Evolution vs. Creation.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: SunMo on May 28, 2008, 08:33:15 AM
i'm chilly this morning
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Phanatic on May 28, 2008, 11:39:49 AM
The real debate takes place in the scientific community, and the deniers are losing that battle.

It's the most one-sided scientific 'argument' since Evolution vs. Creation.

HA! Awesome!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 06, 2008, 06:45:11 AM
So, um... damn. (http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USNC0558?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared)

Basically, it's going up to 100 every day here for at least the next 5 days or so.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 06, 2008, 07:06:00 AM
normal patterns for early june

we're doing great
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Post by: Cerevant on June 06, 2008, 07:15:07 AM
Sorry guys, I have to call bullshtein for both sides: local, short term weather forecasts are unlikely to indicate global climate - either way.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on June 06, 2008, 07:23:57 AM
Fires, tornados, hurricanes - everything normal in Florida.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 06, 2008, 07:24:49 AM
If you disagree with me, you are stupid and you don't know what you're talking about and your mother.
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Post by: rjs246 on June 06, 2008, 07:58:02 AM
If you disagree with me, you are stupid and you don't know what you're talking about and your mother.

Breakfast martinis?
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 06, 2008, 08:03:27 AM
Sorry guys, I have to call bullshtein for both sides: local, short term weather forecasts are unlikely to indicate global climate - either way.
agree 100%.  Sure its happening, but its not an overnight thing. 
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 06, 2008, 08:35:52 AM
Mission accomplished.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 06, 2008, 08:51:18 AM
I won :CF
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 06, 2008, 09:10:28 AM
I won :CF
where we drinking to celebrate?
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Post by: Diomedes on June 06, 2008, 09:23:12 AM
Elkton?
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Post by: Sgt PSN on June 06, 2008, 09:31:08 AM
Fires, tornados, hurricanes - everything normal in Florida.

I think a total of 27 tornados touched down within a 100 mile radius of Kansas City yesterday.  Good times. 
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 06, 2008, 09:38:14 AM
Elkton?
Come on up, i need some work done outback
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Post by: Diomedes on June 06, 2008, 12:42:17 PM
Nothing high brow, I hope.  I'm still just an apprentice ditch digger with a farged up neckspine.
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 06, 2008, 12:54:52 PM
Nothing high brow, I hope.  I'm still just an apprentice ditch digger with a farged up neckspine.
lol, neckspine bags me up. 

I have to bury some corrugated pipe out back and connect in my downspout along with sump pump line into it to drain away from the house.  I was all set to do it tomorrow, then realized its gonna be 96 degrees and 90% humidity, farg that. 
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Post by: Diomedes on June 06, 2008, 12:56:25 PM
if you're going to wait for better weather than that, I suppose you can pencil me in to help you for early October
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 06, 2008, 12:59:59 PM
sounds good. 
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Post by: MDS on June 07, 2008, 01:23:33 PM
its farging hot out
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Post by: rjs246 on June 07, 2008, 01:35:23 PM
Idiots.
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Post by: Yeti on June 07, 2008, 01:44:31 PM
Está bochornoso en mis pantalones.
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 17, 2008, 07:38:19 PM
update on Al Gore's energy usage (http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=764)


What a douche.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 17, 2008, 07:50:59 PM
that site is fair and balanced
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Post by: ATV on June 17, 2008, 09:20:04 PM
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that site is fair and balanced

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703020001
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Post by: Geowhizzer on June 17, 2008, 10:11:00 PM
Media Matters is not exactly a bastion of neutrality.

That said, that article about Gore was horrendous.  Even if the raw data is correct (which does not necessarily mean much), the tone of that article paints is as nothing more than a character assassination piece.
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 18, 2008, 06:05:21 AM
that site is fair and balanced

I don't dispute that at all.  But the facts and numbers alone, without bias, are enough to confirm that Gore is a douche.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 18, 2008, 06:25:02 AM
And also that man made global warming is real, and that we need to change our lifestyles and behaviors now, even if a rich guy uses a lot of energy that he buys at a premium from renewable sources.

Your Gore hate says a lot about how small minded you can be...he's hardly worth the obsession.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 18, 2008, 06:26:52 AM
Media Matters is not exactly a bastion of neutrality.

Compared to this Tennessee foundation they are paragons of neutrality.  In fact, they are pretty damn straight shooters most of the time. 

It just so happens that the facts don't support conservative ideology.  So sorry.
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 18, 2008, 08:56:40 AM
And also that man made global warming is real, and that we need to change our lifestyles and behaviors now, even if a rich guy uses a lot of energy that he buys at a premium from renewable sources.

Your Gore hate says a lot about how small minded you can be...he's hardly worth the obsession.

My Gore "hate" is merely to balance out the widespread Gore love out there.  The man won the Nobel Peace Prize; you'd think he'd practice what he preaches a little bit better and reduce his energy footprint.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on June 18, 2008, 08:58:11 AM
Media Matters is not exactly a bastion of neutrality.

Compared to this Tennessee foundation they are paragons of neutrality.  In fact, they are pretty damn straight shooters most of the time. 

It just so happens that the facts don't support conservative ideology.  So sorry.


Did you actually read the second half of the post, or were you too busy knee-jerking to bother?
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Post by: rjs246 on June 18, 2008, 09:00:32 AM
The man won the Nobel Peace Prize; you'd think he'd practice what he preaches a little bit better and reduce his energy footprint.

Truth.
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Post by: SD_Eagle5 on June 18, 2008, 09:23:54 AM
The man won the Nobel Peace Prize; you'd think he'd practice what he preaches a little bit better and reduce his energy footprint.

Truth.

For the shtein that he's stirred he should have solar panels on his roof, windmills in  his backyard, and a compost pile somewhere on his property...and even that wouldn't be enough.
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Post by: rjs246 on June 18, 2008, 09:24:26 AM
Oh he's got a compost pile on his property alright.
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 18, 2008, 09:30:43 AM
The man won the Nobel Peace Prize; you'd think he'd practice what he preaches a little bit better and reduce his energy footprint.

Truth.

For the shtein that he's stirred he should have solar panels on his roof, windmills in  his backyard, and a compost pile somewhere on his property...and even that wouldn't be enough.

Apparently, he really has attempted to subsidize his energy SOURCES with "green" options as much as possible.  The issue is that he's actually been using more energy since the updates.

I'm a capitalist.  The man has made a lot of money and should be able to live in a nice, large home if he wants to.  HOWEVER, if he's making the money from raising awareness of environmental causes and scaring countless people into reducing their usage in order to save the planet, he should practice what he preaches and do the same.

Oh he's got a compost pile on his property alright.

Tipper?
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Post by: SD_Eagle5 on June 18, 2008, 09:33:57 AM
For some reason I'm reminded of when I lived in San Diego during the rolling blackouts. Environmentalists, the local news, and everyone was preaching conserve and that it was the consumers fault for using too much energy. All along it was Enron. Gore is a limousine liberal.
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Post by: Cerevant on June 18, 2008, 03:55:38 PM
Carbon footprint != Energy footprint.  Gore uses renewable energy sources and buys carbon offsets (dodgy?  that's another argument)  I would bet that Al Gore has a smaller carbon footprint than anyone on this message board.
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Post by: SD_Eagle5 on June 18, 2008, 04:02:44 PM
Carbon footprint != Energy footprint.  Gore uses renewable energy sources and buys carbon offsets (dodgy?  that's another argument)  I would bet that Al Gore has a smaller carbon footprint than anyone on this message board.

With as much traveling on private jets as Gore does and the so called renewable energy he uses in his mansion (lets be honest thats a bunch of hogwash) I would bet his 'Carbon footprint' is larger than this entire message board combined. Nobody here has the resources he has at their disposal.
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Post by: ATV on June 18, 2008, 05:25:00 PM
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With as much traveling on private jets as Gore does and the so called renewable energy he uses in his mansion (lets be honest thats a bunch of hogwash) I would bet his 'Carbon footprint' is larger than this entire message board combined. Nobody here has the resources he has at their disposal.

Yea. That's right. If he wants to go around to all these fancy-pants places around the world to give his lectures he should be riding his gosh-durn bicycle. Anybody who wants to fight global warming should move into a new house so that some other rich guy (that doesn't give a crap about global warming) can live in their old one.
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 18, 2008, 06:58:55 PM
I'm just talking about the energy usage at his HOME.  Try to keep up with the original argument, skins fan.
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Post by: SD_Eagle5 on June 18, 2008, 07:38:09 PM
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With as much traveling on private jets as Gore does and the so called renewable energy he uses in his mansion (lets be honest thats a bunch of hogwash) I would bet his 'Carbon footprint' is larger than this entire message board combined. Nobody here has the resources he has at their disposal.

Yea. That's right. If he wants to go around to all these fancy-pants places around the world to give his lectures he should be riding his gosh-durn bicycle. Anybody who wants to fight global warming should move into a new house so that some other rich guy (that doesn't give a crap about global warming) can live in their old one.

Maybe he should try traveling with normal folks on a commercial flight instead of taking a private jet. He can live in as big of a house as he pleases, but don't preach to me about conserving and running my AC when you're using more energy in a month than I use in a year.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 18, 2008, 09:01:57 PM
given the amount this dude travels, even if he did take commercial flights his energy usage would far surpass the crieteria you require to be happy with him...the fact of the matter is that of all people who are wealty, who are doing this and signing that trying to make some girl, Gore has more than aqcuitted himself on the count of trying to keep his carbon footprint small.

it's not his fault that we simply don't have the technology to be wealthy, world travelling people without doing significant damage.

his reward for taking the issue front and center, for imperfectly addressing it in his own life despite the fact his peers have made NO attempt to do the same, is that people like you dismiss him as a preachy hypocrite.  pretty goddamn frustrating

oh well...I'm armed and my children will be too
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Post by: SD_Eagle5 on June 18, 2008, 10:26:46 PM
given the amount this dude travels, even if he did take commercial flights his energy usage would far surpass the crieteria you require to be happy with him...the fact of the matter is that of all people who are wealty, who are doing this and signing that trying to make some girl, Gore has more than aqcuitted himself on the count of trying to keep his carbon footprint small.

it's not his fault that we simply don't have the technology to be wealthy, world travelling people without doing significant damage.

his reward for taking the issue front and center, for imperfectly addressing it in his own life despite the fact his peers have made NO attempt to do the same, is that people like you dismiss him as a preachy hypocrite.  pretty goddamn frustrating

oh well...I'm armed and my children will be too


Commercial flights carry other passengers...so really I'd look at it like he was carpooling not taking his own personal air limousine. And he is a preachy hypocrite. You make a big stink about something and tell people to change you should be the one front and center trying to set the example, not living in a mansion and riding in a personal jet. Your contention is because his wallet is fatter than the average Joe's that gives him the right to have a larger carbon footprint. Wrong. If he wants to fly around and preach so be it, but given his stance he should be taking every possible oppurtunity to set the example.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 18, 2008, 10:30:05 PM
Which he is doing better than anyone of comparable status.

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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on June 19, 2008, 06:00:13 AM
Link?
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Post by: General_Failure on June 19, 2008, 06:02:25 AM
Link?

http://www.edbegley.com/environment/
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Post by: troyhstewart on June 19, 2008, 10:05:28 AM
I'm just talking about the energy usage at his HOME.  Try to keep up with the original argument, skins fan.

That's not what is important to me, and while not perfect, I do care about the environment.  Somebody needs to raise awareness of the issues, and the government needs to invest your(ha!) tax dollars for new technology that would be cheaper and more likely to be used by the average person. 

And I don't call "investing in new technologies" giving billions in handouts to the same companies that rape us with the oil.  With each new quarter, they're breaking their own records in terms of profits. Do they really care about making "greener energy" cheaper to the average person?
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Post by: ATV on June 19, 2008, 01:08:19 PM
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but don't preach to me about conserving and running my AC when you're using more energy in a month than I use in a year.

By this logic presidents and vice presidents who avoided combat duty shouldn't wage wars.
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Post by: SD_Eagle5 on June 19, 2008, 01:40:05 PM
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but don't preach to me about conserving and running my AC when you're using more energy in a month than I use in a year.

By this logic presidents and vice presidents who avoided combat duty shouldn't wage wars.

Terrible analogy.
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Post by: Phanatic on June 27, 2008, 01:14:00 PM
No ice at the North Pole this summer...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080627/sc_livescience/northpolecouldbeicefreethissummer (http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080627/sc_livescience/northpolecouldbeicefreethissummer)
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 27, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
Time to go fishing
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 10, 2008, 08:30:32 AM
Intelligent discourse from both sides?!? (http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21811)
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Post by: Diomedes on November 12, 2008, 07:05:00 AM
for lack of a better place to put this story, I'll dump it here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/us/12sugar.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

The everglades rescue cause takes a huge step forward with this plan.  It's scope is a bit less than the original proposal, but it's still a fantastic step forward.  For once, Florida does something commendable.  Now if only the Chesepeake region could band together and take as bold a step towards protecting the worlds largest estuary.
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on November 21, 2008, 10:48:48 AM
It's snowing now, they are talking about this being the warmest winter on record, but there will be more extremes in weather. 
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Post by: shorebird on November 21, 2008, 07:46:34 PM
Man, it was coming down on Kent Island, MD. this afternoon. I'm so friggen' broke that I tried to stay out in it, but just couldn't. There was a point were you couldn't see.
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on November 24, 2008, 09:53:50 AM
Friday night was some horrible driving down in Galena, MD.  I left my house and while at a stoplight the snow was coming down so heavy the car in front of me was completely covered in about 30 seconds.  Then people were driving 10 mph because they were scared of whiteout conditions. 

Once i hit 301 into Galena, it was ugly, about 10 cars off the road smashed up.  Had a car going the other way into Delaware look like a chinese star going 60mph spinning into oncoming traffic thru the median.  Apparently there was a fatality about 10 minutes after we got thru it. 
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Post by: Father Demon on November 24, 2008, 09:55:15 AM
I put all my Christmas lights up this weekend while we had some good weather.

Global warming  :yay
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Post by: reese125 on November 24, 2008, 10:06:16 AM
and if you guys dont know Demons hard work at Christmas yet, I took a video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43thtgZ8Q3M&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43thtgZ8Q3M&feature=related)
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on December 19, 2008, 08:14:23 AM
The theory of man made global warming is 'arrogant.' (http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081218205953.aspx)
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Post by: reese125 on December 19, 2008, 11:16:41 AM
dude is arrogant for not taking his blinders off

if he cant see that the energy consumption alone has increased 5 fold since, and that other countries such as China and India are contributing to that number at staggering paces..than we got a little bit of a case called mis-informed.

some people just dont want to believe
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Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on December 19, 2008, 11:18:28 AM
I actually believe in global warming.  I just am pretty sure we're already farged by nature or already farged ourselves.  I do my part to conserve, believe it or not, but the people who want to hold hands and curse any form of energy consumption deserve to be turned into fertilizer.
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Post by: shorebird on December 19, 2008, 11:20:37 AM
It doesn't friggen' matter anyway. When we get blasted out of existence by one of those great big asteroids, who will care about global warming?
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Post by: mussa on December 19, 2008, 01:02:59 PM
All is does in rain now in south central, PA. Damn its hard being a gangsta
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Post by: rjs246 on April 20, 2009, 01:41:09 PM
Obese liberals everywhere have yet another reason to hate themselves. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/20/thin.global.warming/index.html)
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Post by: Diomedes on April 20, 2009, 02:15:37 PM
"thinner people contribute less to global warming"

It's not news, it's CNN
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Post by: Phanatic on April 21, 2009, 12:06:16 AM
Fat people are killing the environment?   In other news zombies are taking over fat people to destroy us ALL!
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Post by: General_Failure on April 21, 2009, 12:38:35 AM
Ha, good luck with that. All the people left alive will think up a word that means to shamble and waddle at the same time.
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Post by: shorebird on April 21, 2009, 05:36:59 PM
We need Snoop Dogg, he'd invent a cool word for that. Something like shavillzle wazzizle
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Post by: hbionic on April 22, 2009, 01:24:35 AM
We need Snoop Dogg, he'd invent a cool word for that. Something like shavillzle wazzizle

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO!
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Post by: rjs246 on September 07, 2009, 09:32:26 AM
Bump. (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1920435,00.html)
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Post by: Sgt PSN on September 11, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
the problem with global warming is that the truly catastrophic effects of it won't occur during the lifetime of anyone alive today.  at the current rate, we're still probably a couple hundred years away from really seeing any horrific changes to our climate.  so there's no real tangable reason for anyone to act on it now.  most people want to make sure their kids and grandkids are ok but is there really much concern beyond a 3rd or maybe 4th generation of your family?  probably not. 

and the people who are doing the most damage to the environment are also the ones making the most money from it and they obviously don't care about the world today so they damn sure aren't going to care about it 100 years from now.  as long as they die rich, they couldn't give 2 shteins about anything else. 

btw.....am i the only person that is completely fascinated by science and technology's ability to study and deduce weather patterns and temperatures from 2000+ years ago?  that is just the coolest farging thing. 
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Post by: Diomedes on June 11, 2011, 10:59:22 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015274835_snowpack09m.html

Every day the evidence mounts forcing the deniers to push their heads further into the sand.
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Post by: TAFKASD on June 11, 2011, 12:02:17 PM
you people are such sheep


baaaah
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Post by: Sgt PSN on June 11, 2011, 12:34:38 PM
I really don't understand why people are so strongly opposed to the global warming concept.  I mean, I get it if you don't buy off on everything that Al Gore or any of the global warming "extremists" throw out there, but to totally dismiss the theory and act as if the entire thing is made up is very narrow minded imo.  Not to mention that there is a lot of scientific data out there that supports it.  I don't get it. 
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Post by: TAFKASD on June 11, 2011, 01:15:43 PM
FYI- calling it 'global warming' makes you appear uneducated on this subject. You see, the sheep originally called it 'global warming', then a bunch of people (normal cynical people who don't believe everything they hear) pointed out that if the Earth is warming then why is it still freezing and extremely cold in areas that are accustomed to that type of weather. So then the sheep modified it from 'global warming' to 'climate change', that way they're right regardless of the weather. Now anything that happens (freezing weather, tornadoes, heat wave, tsunami, earthquakes, wildfire, volcanoes) they can point and say these natural phenomenons are a result of the human beings. That way they cover all grounds and they're in a can't lose situation.

I've changed my light bulbs, drove a 4 cylinder truck for a decade (just upgraded to a V6), donate old clothing furniture etc. to people in need. I'm not wasteful or ignorant, I just think the whole premise of 'climate change' is garbage and I'm surprised the cynics on this board accept it as fact.
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Post by: Sgt PSN on June 11, 2011, 02:09:26 PM
I don't really care what it's called.  Over millions of years this planet has a history of some dramatic climate changes with or without our presence.  It was hot, it froze, it warmed up again and thawed, etc, etc.  So maybe what we are experiencing is the beginning of another change that was going to happen anyway.  So what concerns me is whether or not our impact on the environment is speeding up the change that was already going to happen.  It's like life in general.  We're all going to die but the decisions we make on what we take into our bodies has an impact on how long (or short) our lives are and I think the same concept applies to our environment.  It's going to change but we can potentially impact the advancement of that change with the way we consume energy, dispose of waste and the type of toxins we put into the environment.  We can't reverse or slow down the change but our negligence can certainly speed it up.  And that's what we need to make sure we aren't doing. 
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Post by: Diomedes on June 11, 2011, 02:38:37 PM
Gore is hardly an extremist.

SD, what's it like to be anti-science?  What made you distrust it so much?  Your ex was a biologist or something?
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Post by: Rome on June 11, 2011, 03:09:26 PM
I'm more concerned with the population explosion than I am climate change.  The population now is unsustainable.  In 50 years it's projected to be doubled.  There isn't enough land to grow food or fresh water to sustain that type of insanity now let alone if it doubles.

Thankfully I'll be dead and gone long before then.

(Edit - the population doubling is from the U.N.'s "high" estimate.)
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Post by: TAFKASD on June 11, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
Gore is hardly an extremist.

SD, what's it like to be anti-science?  What made you distrust it so much?  Your ex was a biologist or something?

I'm not anti-science but the science is flawed when you're only considering a small (100 years of temperature readings compared to 4.6 Billion years which is the Earth's existence) sample size. Again, the most waste and pollution in our modern history occurred during and after WW2 but temperatures declined globally. Why all the sudden is society shteinting their pants that it's getting a little hotter? I'll tell you why: Al Gore. And lol at Gore not being an extremist. He's the epitome of the word.

It's funny how many people harp on stations like Foxnews for promoting fear to spread their propaganda but when the left does it you soak it up like a sponge.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 11, 2011, 05:41:25 PM
it's not possible to communicate with someone who has adopted the willfully ignorant stand.

industrialized human activity on earth has completely changed the landscape and climate of the planet.  sorry.
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Post by: TAFKASD on June 11, 2011, 05:46:22 PM
it's not possible to communicate with someone who has adopted the willfully ignorant stand.

industrialized human activity on earth has completely changed the landscape and climate of the planet.  sorry.

(http://www.awennis.ie/Images/Products/sheep.jpg)
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Post by: Sgt PSN on June 11, 2011, 05:56:01 PM
lol. 

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Post by: TAFKASD on July 28, 2011, 09:18:55 PM
http://blogs.forbes.com/jamestaylor/2011/07/27/new-nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-in-global-warming-alarmism/

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New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
Jul. 27 2011 - 3:23 pm | 20,882 views | 2 recommendations | 146 comments
This NASA handout Terra satellite image obtain...

NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth’s atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.


Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

“The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show,” Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. “There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans.”

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.


Scientists on all sides of the global warming debate are in general agreement about how much heat is being directly trapped by human emissions of carbon dioxide (the answer is “not much”). However, the single most important issue in the global warming debate is whether carbon dioxide emissions will indirectly trap far more heat by causing large increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds. Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA’s ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth’s atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth’s atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict.


When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a “huge discrepancy” between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice. Whether or not they do so will tell us a great deal about how honest the purveyors of global warming alarmism truly are.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on July 28, 2011, 09:21:03 PM
This was not the case last Friday when I went to the Phillies game.  Temps hit 114 in the parking lot about 30 min before the game. 
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Post by: MDS on July 28, 2011, 09:22:33 PM
SD gets his dick warm for some anti-global warming propoganda
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 28, 2011, 09:23:39 PM
SD gets his dick warm for some anti-global warming propoganda

not nearly as warm as it gets for some good ole fashion jew bashing
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 28, 2011, 09:48:13 PM
A female talking global warming while drinking a Miller Lite would cause SD's brain to explode.
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 28, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
A female talking global warming while drinking a Miller Lite would cause SD's brain to explode.
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Post by: Sgt PSN on July 31, 2011, 02:41:57 PM
Lolz
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on October 24, 2011, 01:25:03 PM
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/10/climate-skeptics-perform-independent-analysis-finally-convinced-earth-is-getting-warmer.ars

Nope, it's still junk science.  I don't care what these science nerds say.
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Post by: hbionic on October 24, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
What do you base you opinion on?
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Post by: Sgt PSN on October 24, 2011, 02:01:46 PM
The bible. 
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Post by: TAFKASD on October 24, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
(http://www.awennis.ie/Images/Products/sheep.jpg)
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Post by: Munson on October 24, 2011, 02:19:24 PM
The scientists be lying, yo
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Post by: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 02:58:38 PM
Why listen to decades of scientific concensus when you had a professor once who disagreed with scientists? They're all a bunch of nerds anyway.

I, for one, think that oil companies and right-wing corporate whores are far more qualified to pass judgement on this issue.
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Post by: phillymic2000 on October 24, 2011, 03:09:17 PM
I agree, I mean seriously, If that A-hole didn't challenge the established fact the Earth was flat years ago, we would be able to throw all the idiots off the edge. Just keep following like all the little sheep and everything will be fine!!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 03:18:08 PM
Wait, are you comparing modern scientific study to the fact that people used to think that the Earth was flat?

I mean, um, really?

If anything, the analogy should work like this...

People thought the Earth was flat, until it was proven otherwise by science == People thought that they could consume every natural resource without consequence and pump chemicals into the atmosphere without consequence, until it was proven otherwise by science.
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Post by: TAFKASD on October 24, 2011, 03:22:17 PM
baaaaaaaaaaa
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Post by: Munson on October 24, 2011, 03:23:06 PM
 ???

SD is just fishing now right?
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Post by: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 03:24:31 PM
Are you retarded? SD is and always has been a climate change denier. It doesn't make any sense given his rational views on everything else (interactions with women not withstanding), but yeah, he thinks it's all a big hoax. Like the holocaust.
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Post by: Munson on October 24, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
I mean I knew that, but a link showing some skeptics doing a scientific study somehow makes the people who believe the results sheep? I just don't understand why an intelligent person like SD comes to that conclusion.
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Post by: phillymic2000 on October 24, 2011, 03:59:30 PM
If you couldn't tell that was sarcasm then wtf? geeeezus people, calm the farg down :-D
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Post by: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 04:02:47 PM
You're not making any sense, so if that was sarcasm it was very poorly executed.
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Post by: TAFKASD on October 24, 2011, 04:11:20 PM
When are 'we' changing the title of this thread from "Man made global warming is real" to "Man made climate change is real"?
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Post by: Tomahawk on October 24, 2011, 04:12:41 PM
The problem I have with Rome's link is it only uses data from 1800 (at the earliest) to present. That's way too small of a sample to use in a trend analysis for a planet that's been around for either 10,000 or 4 billion years
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Post by: phillymic2000 on October 24, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
Well sorry to get some facts wrong, here I thought it was explorers like Magellan who first proved the earth wasn't flat.
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Post by: TAFKASD on October 24, 2011, 04:18:16 PM
The problem I have with Rome's link is it only uses data from 1800 (at the earliest) to present. That's way too small of a sample to use in a trend analysis for a planet that's been around for either 10,000 or 4 billion years

Hey...look at this, someone else with common sense. Welcome to my club.
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Post by: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 04:24:18 PM
Either you believe in science or you don't. If you don't, fine. Just be consistent.

We rely on scientific research to guide all sorts of decisions that we make every minute of every day. Basically everything that we know about anything is founded in scientific research, which we acknowledge and accept implicitly. But for some reason this one topic gets people all twisted around with doubt. Why is that? Couldn't be because there is a huge financial implication to the facts. Financial implications that would seriously negatively impact political donors. Couldn't be.
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Post by: Tomahawk on October 24, 2011, 04:39:31 PM
I believe in science, and I believe this scientific test had poor sampling. Science isn't infallible.

Use the exact same methodology from at least 10 different million year increments, and I'll lend the resulting analysis more credence.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 04:59:56 PM
I'd like a study of every single human being who has ever smoked or come into contact with tobacco back to the beginning of time before I lend any credence to the idea that tobacco increases the risk of cancer.
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Post by: Tomahawk on October 24, 2011, 05:08:23 PM
Scientific Fact: Humans haven't been around since the beginning of time
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Post by: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 05:17:29 PM
Mind blown.
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Post by: Rome on October 24, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
I hope the overwhelming peer-reviewed evidence is wrong, actually.

It's not, of course.  We are clearly having a harmful effect on the planet and it's getting worse by the day.

But I guess I have a tiny shred of hope that it's wrong.

And btw... the industrial age only started 150 years ago, so studying back beyond that is really pointless.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on October 24, 2011, 06:44:59 PM
Scientific Fact: Humans haven't been around since the beginning of time

Where's your proof?
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Post by: TAFKASD on October 24, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
I believe in science, and I believe this scientific test had poor sampling. Science isn't infallible.

Use the exact same methodology from at least 10 different million year increments, and I'll lend the resulting analysis more credence.

Just a word of advice, don't try arguing with this crowd. They're like evangelicals who believe the bible is meant to be taken literally, only their bible is 'An Inconvenient Truth' and their messiah is Al Gore. The sad part is they're too blind to see the resemblance.

(http://www.sundriesshack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/goracle.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on October 24, 2011, 06:59:07 PM
The whole "I'm not going to discuss this topic because everyone else is so farging stupid, so I'll sit here and call you names" attitude is really far too common. It doesn't matter what the topic is, that attitude overwhelms any kind of discussion. I don't think you can go ten minutes online without seeing it. I've had enough of it, and I'm sure as hell not putting up with it here anymore.

How bad does it have to be when I'm the one wishing people would grow the farg up?
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Post by: TAFKASD on October 24, 2011, 07:07:33 PM
Global Warming No Hippos then? I thought this was the section we were allowed to call people stupid.
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Post by: rjs246 on October 24, 2011, 07:08:45 PM
I believe in science, and I believe this scientific test had poor sampling. Science isn't infallible.

Use the exact same methodology from at least 10 different million year increments, and I'll lend the resulting analysis more credence.

Just a word of advice, don't try arguing with this crowd. They're like evangelicals who believe the bible is meant to be taken literally, only their bible is 'An Inconvenient Truth' and their messiah is Al Gore. The sad part is they're too blind to see the resemblance.

(http://www.sundriesshack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/goracle.jpg)


I've actually never seen An Inconvenient Truth but Al Gore did speak at my hs graduation. So that's something.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on October 24, 2011, 07:08:53 PM
Only until I arbitrarily say no.
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Post by: Rome on October 24, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
I just think the evidence is so overwhelmingly clear that I refuse to believe otherwise whereas the religious thing is the polar opposite of that.  I can't believe anyone with an IQ over 50 wouldn't question religion or the existence of a supernatural being. 

I'm not saying either theory is right or wrong here.  I'm just saying that the scientific method has all but indisputably proven the existence of man-influenced climate change and nothing has proven the existence of God.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 24, 2011, 08:46:46 PM
The problem I have with Rome's link is it only uses data from 1800 (at the earliest) to present. That's way too small of a sample to use in a trend analysis for a planet that's been around for either 10,000 or 4 billion years

Hey...look at this, someone else with common sense. Welcome to my club.

I agree with the notion that 200 years is a small sampling and may not provide the most accurate data.  However, before 1800 there was pretty much no depletion of the earth's natural resources.  There were no trains, factories, cars, toxic chemicals, plastics, pollution, etc.  So there isn't as much need to study our impact on the environment because people had practically no impact.  Entire forests weren't being leveled to make room for condos and strip malls.  Factories were polluting the air or water sources.  People were living off the land just like every other animal on the planet. 

I suspect that's why scientists don't go any further back.  They're studying the impact people have on the environment/climate and that didn't really happen until the industrial revolution.  So they go back 100 years before that for a baseline and then move forward from there. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on October 24, 2011, 08:50:38 PM
I know that "modern" society is only a few centuries old, but going further back with these studies would show whether the current changes climate aren't caused by other factors.

Maybe there are some of these out there.  All I know is there's another farging hurricane that may have my name on it, and it's all Reagan's Bush's Clinton's Bush's Obama's fault.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 24, 2011, 08:56:01 PM
I know that "modern" society is only a few centuries old, but going further back with these studies would show whether the current changes climate aren't caused by other factors.

Since the whole global warming thing popped up, I've always said that climate change is real.  The history of this planet tells us that as there have been dramatic changes in the climate over millions and millions of years.  To think that it will suddenly just stop changing and remain suitable for our species is just ignorant.  So a change in the climate is coming and there's nothing we can do to stop it.  The questions to ask are (a) Are we expediting the process? and (b) Are we impacting the type of change that's going to take place? 

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on October 24, 2011, 09:33:12 PM
Climate science data goes back a lot further than the industrial revolution.   There are all kinds of records that show what was going on:  air trapped in ice that's been around forever, tree rings, the ground itself.  This has all been gone over again and again.

And it will continue to be researched and studied.  The consensus theories will be challenged and studied, by honest scientists and deniers alike, and that's fine.  That's what makes science cool.  Unlike religion, it welcomes proof of the contrary, and if some day, somehow people who believe, like SD that current climate science consensus is really just a great big conspiracy of Al Gore sycophants, then time will tell.

I'm convinced that mankind has altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere to such a drastic degree that the world climate has in fact been radically changed.  Most other thinking people happen to be of a similar mind, and that doesn't trouble me at all.  Sometimes, the majority gets it right.



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Post by: Diomedes on November 30, 2011, 09:29:22 PM
Al Gore loving insurance giant Munich Re says...look Mom, more claims

http://www.insurancedaily.co.uk/2011/11/28/global-warming-2%C2%B0c-target-no-longer-attainable/
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Post by: TAFKASD on February 02, 2012, 11:09:43 PM
http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/map_makers_admit_greenland_gaffe_1_2077854

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Map-makers admit Greenland gaffe

The 2011 version of the map, left, which incorrectly showed ice-loss

By MARC HORNE
Published on Thursday 26 January 2012 00:38

IT APPEARED to provide incontrovertible proof that global warming was accelerating faster than even the most doom-laden scientists had predicted.

There was considerable alarm when the word’s most authoritative atlas printed a map which showed that Greenland was rapidly turning green.

However, experts from around the globe pointed out that the cataclysmic chart had no scientific support and was contradicted by all of the most recent satellite images.

Now the Scottish map-makers responsible for the disappearance of 115,830 square miles of polar ice have admitted publicly they were wrong.

As an act of contrition, The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World cartographers have produced a new map which restores Greenland’s ice cover.

Jethro Lennox, senior publishing editor of the £150 tome, insisted lessons would be learned from the episode, which generated headlines around the globe.

The Glasgow-based map-maker said: “We’re very disappointed at the way it happened.

“But we are now looking to draw a line under the Greenland controversy and move on.”

The latest atlas, which was published in September, showed a reduction in ice cover compared with the previous edition from four years ago.

Accompanying publicity material declared the change represented “concrete evidence” of the effects of global warming, stating: “For the first time the new edition has had to erase 15 per cent of Greenland’s permanent ice cover – turning an area the size of the UK and Ireland ‘green’ and ice-free.”

Publishers HarperCollins originally stood by the accuracy of the map but have since admitted to the mistake after the blunder was exposed by scientists.

Mr Lennox said: “After publication of the 13th edition of The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World it became apparent that we had not represented the permanent ice cover in Greenland fully and clearly.

“In failing to do that, this section of the map did not meet the usual high standards of accuracy and reliability that the atlas strives to uphold.

“To correct this, we decided to produce a new, more detailed map using the latest information available.”

A new, corrected map of Greenland will be inserted into all remaining copies.

The updated chart was put together after the cartographers consulted experts from the University of Arizona, the University of Bristol, the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland and the Byrd Polar Research Centre.

The editor claimed the newly established links would prevent errors in future.

He said: “We have made some valuable contacts and will be keen to work with them again in the future.”

Dr Liz Morris, of the Scott Polar Research Institute in Cambridge, said: “This was a really bad mapping error. If 15 per cent of ice was lost, then sea levels would have risen by one metre, and that hasn’t happened.”
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Post by: Munson on February 05, 2012, 04:47:54 AM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/6353306/Huge-Antarctic-iceberg-set-to-break-away

As long as we're posting every article that does nothing to prove or disprove man-made involvement in global warming
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Post by: TAFKASD on February 05, 2012, 08:03:39 AM
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But Nasa said the calving was part of a natural process for a glacier.

"We are actually now witnessing how it happens and it's very exciting for us," Ice Bridge project scientist Michael Studinger said, when the crack was first surveyed.

"It's part of a natural process but it's pretty exciting to be here and actually observe it while it happens. To my knowledge, no one has flown a lidar instrument [for measurement] over an actively developing rift such as this."
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Post by: Munson on February 05, 2012, 11:21:14 AM
The calving is a natural process....what's not natural is it happening on this size/scale. An iceberg the size of Manhatten.
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Post by: TAFKASD on February 05, 2012, 02:06:13 PM
The article doesn't even blame calving on climate change or global warming or whatever other nonsense they're calling it these days. Things like glaciers and pieces of the Earth shift all the time. Ever hear of continental drift?

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Many glaciers terminate at oceans or freshwater lakes which results naturally with the calving of large numbers of icebergs. Calving of Greenland's glaciers produce 12,000 to 15,000 icebergs each year alone.

Seismic activity and changes in water currents contribute to calving.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on February 05, 2012, 04:43:23 PM
You're making my point for me. This thing happens all the time as part of nature. The reason why this one is actually being reported on is because 1. They've never had a real good chance to observe it happen in real time, and 2. The reason for that chance, which is the fact that this is happening on a gigantic scale that allowed them to notice. The size of the ice about to break off is mammoth and nearly unheard of.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on February 05, 2012, 04:51:02 PM
You're right this is the first giant glacier in Earth's history
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Post by: Munson on February 05, 2012, 05:04:15 PM
You're right humans and their infinite waste couldn't possibly have any effect on the environment and thus, the climate.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on February 06, 2012, 09:24:45 AM
Why are you engaging him? Slow learner.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on April 22, 2012, 12:42:49 PM
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5783/screenshot20120422at122.png)

lol
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Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2012, 04:45:45 PM
how do you fight people who think the earth is 6000 years old
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on April 22, 2012, 08:03:24 PM
same way you fight Al Queda
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on April 22, 2012, 08:06:38 PM
same way you fight Al Queda

bomb them into the stone age (which is their preferred destination to begin with)?

does.  not.  compute.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on June 14, 2012, 03:49:03 PM
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/June-2012/Chicagos-Heartland-Institute-and-its-Unabomber-Billboards/ (http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/June-2012/Chicagos-Heartland-Institute-and-its-Unabomber-Billboards/)

(http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/FF20120614-Heartland-Unabomber-ad.jpg)

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the thinking behind the global warming ad, which was to be followed by ads featuring Charles Manson and Osama bin Laden, among others. Lakely writes, “…what these murderers and madmen have said differs very little from what spokespersons for the United Nations, journalists for the `mainstream’ media, and liberal politicians say about global warming.

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Post by: rjs246 on June 14, 2012, 04:13:24 PM
I would love to see this response:
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Jefferey Dahmer believed in God. Do you?

Or this:
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Adolf Hitler believed in God. Do you?

And on and on and on...

Basically that billboard is saying, "a bad guy believes in a scientific fact which therefore invalidates that scientific fact". shtein like this makes my head hurt. People are farging idiots.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: shorebird on June 15, 2012, 02:42:33 PM
It's not global warming anymore, it's climate change. Get it right.
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Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2012, 02:45:23 PM
The Unabomber still believes in gravity. Do you?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on June 15, 2012, 02:48:57 PM
That's just a theory.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2012, 02:59:59 PM
And there you have it.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on June 15, 2012, 03:01:25 PM
All the discussion lately has been politics. I'll swing at the underhand pitch when there's nothing else going on.
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 15, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
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IGY believes in the eagles

Do you?
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Post by: Sgt PSN on June 15, 2012, 03:47:36 PM
The Unabomber still believes in gravity. Do you?

LOL.  Thing that's hilarious about it to me is that Kaczynski is a farging academic genius.  Obviously he was a bit off his rocker in his approach to dealing with the gov't and Corporate America, but that doesn't make him any less intelligent.  Graduated HS at 15, graduated from Harvard at age 20, I think he got a PhD in some form of Mathematics from Michigan or Minnesota as well and was a professor at Berkley in his mid-20's.  He's basically Albert Einstein with a mean streak and one of the worst examples to use to try and prove that global warming isn't real. 

Then again, I imagine that most people aren't aware of his academic achievements and just think he was some crazy guy who made a lot of bombs.  So maybe that ad is brilliant after all since it prays on American ignorance. 
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Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2012, 03:54:57 PM
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IGY believes in the eagles

Do you?
I believe in Harvey Dent.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 15, 2012, 04:38:54 PM
I belive in od'ing on prescription meds while staying at the olsens penthouse
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Post by: Rome on June 15, 2012, 04:54:15 PM
wtf
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Post by: General_Failure on June 15, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
That's probably not how he got those scars.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on June 15, 2012, 08:47:41 PM
I believe whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you...stranger
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Post by: Tomahawk on June 17, 2012, 11:55:47 PM
The Unabomber still believes in gravity. Do you?

LOL.  Thing that's hilarious about it to me is that Kaczynski is a farging academic genius.  Obviously he was a bit off his rocker in his approach to dealing with the gov't and Corporate America, but that doesn't make him any less intelligent.  Graduated HS at 15, graduated from Harvard at age 20, I think he got a PhD in some form of Mathematics from Michigan or Minnesota as well and was a professor at Berkley in his mid-20's.  He's basically Albert Einstein with a mean streak and one of the worst examples to use to try and prove that global warming isn't real. 

Then again, I imagine that most people aren't aware of his academic achievements and just think he was some crazy guy who made a lot of bombs.  So maybe that ad is brilliant after all since it prays on American ignorance.

It's preys, jesusfreak
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Post by: Sgt PSN on June 18, 2012, 12:15:24 AM
Which is the ignorance I was referring to. 
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 18, 2012, 12:21:58 AM
thawk is a sneaky MA...he doesnt say much but he has it in his veins
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Post by: General_Failure on June 18, 2012, 12:31:21 AM
That's just meth.
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Post by: Tomahawk on June 18, 2012, 08:51:55 PM
thawk is a sneaky MA...he doesnt say much but he has it in his veins

False

That's just meth.

Truth
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Post by: Munson on June 29, 2012, 01:57:04 AM
All's I wanna know is how come Fox & Friends doesn't come on talking about how goddamn hot it is and climate change like they do when there's a big nor'easter blowing through in the winter time and they're like "Global warming?! Hah! Look outside! It's a hoax!"
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Post by: rjs246 on June 29, 2012, 07:22:04 AM
Stop watching Fox News dimwit. Jesus Christ.
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Post by: shorebird on June 29, 2012, 08:03:55 AM
Actually, big winter storms are even futher proof of climate change.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on June 29, 2012, 11:38:00 AM
Stop watching Fox News dimwit. Jesus Christ.

I tried turning it on this morning during one of their 'non-partisan' news shows....yeahhhh not good.

But the global warming thing I was exposed to by The Daily Show
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Post by: rjs246 on July 11, 2012, 11:43:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0NrS2L6KcE&feature=player_embedded

This shtein is chilling.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on July 11, 2012, 11:48:34 AM
any youtube video over one minute does not get watched by me.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on July 11, 2012, 11:49:18 AM
Noted.

Summary: We're farged.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on July 11, 2012, 12:08:35 PM
Stop lying.  It's clearly left wing hype. 

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on July 25, 2012, 09:10:13 AM
http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=44&topicid=5176&Itemid=179

NASA Baffled..All the ice is gone in Greenland. 
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/699262/thumbs/o-NASA-GREENLAND-MELT-570.jpg?4)
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Post by: SunMo on July 25, 2012, 09:11:05 AM
liberal media agenda.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on July 25, 2012, 09:17:32 AM
http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=44&topicid=5176&Itemid=179

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In over 30 years of observations, satellites have never measured this amount of melting, which reaches nearly all of Greenland's surface ice cover.

In over 30 years?! That's such a long time, nothing like this could have ever happened before. PANIC
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on July 25, 2012, 09:36:51 AM
http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=44&topicid=5176&Itemid=179

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In over 30 years of observations, satellites have never measured this amount of melting, which reaches nearly all of Greenland's surface ice cover.

In over 30 years?! That's such a long time, nothing like this could have ever happened before. PANIC
How old is your Buick?  It may be time to ban it. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on July 25, 2012, 10:20:08 AM
http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=44&topicid=5176&Itemid=179

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In over 30 years of observations, satellites have never measured this amount of melting, which reaches nearly all of Greenland's surface ice cover.

In over 30 years?! That's such a long time, nothing like this could have ever happened before. PANIC

it happening in such a short time period is kind of the point
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 25, 2012, 01:41:47 PM
The thaw has happened before:

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Ice cores from Greenland's highest region do reveal that such island-wide thaws have happened every 150 years or so, at least over the last few thousand years, but the fear now is that it might occur much more frequently due to warming sea and air temperatures.

The fear is that it will happen much more often.

Full article (NBC News) (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/24/12927340-ice-melt-found-across-97-percent-of-greenland-satellites-show?lite) 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on July 25, 2012, 03:03:12 PM
the real fear is that it wont freeze to the levels it previously has
and eventually
obviously a long time from now
it wont freeze at all anymore
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on July 25, 2012, 03:11:17 PM
http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=44&topicid=5176&Itemid=179

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In over 30 years of observations, satellites have never measured this amount of melting, which reaches nearly all of Greenland's surface ice cover.

In over 30 years?! That's such a long time, nothing like this could have ever happened before. PANIC
How old is your Buick?  It may be time to ban it.

This year is her 40th...we've been celebrating since May.

Classic cars are driven infrequently enough and by so few that their pollutants are inconsequential.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on July 25, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
I wasn't actually saying it should be banned, but that you should give it to me for safe keeping. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on July 29, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
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latimes.com

Koch-funded climate change skeptic reverses course

By Neela Banerjee

12:28 PM PDT, July 29, 2012

WASHINGTON – The verdict is in: Global warming is occurring and emissions of greenhouse gases caused by human activity are the main cause.

This, according to Richard A. Muller, professor of physics at UC Berkeley, MacArthur Fellow and co-founder of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project. Never mind that the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and hundreds of other climatologists around the world came to such conclusions years ago. The difference now is the source: Muller is a long-standing, colorful critic of prevailing climate science, and the Berkeley project was heavily funded by the Charles Koch Charitable Foundation, which, along with its libertarian petrochemical billionaire founder Charles G. Koch, has a considerable history of backing groups that deny climate change.

In an opinion piece in Saturday’s New York Times entitled “The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic,” Muller writes: “Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.”

The Berkeley project’s research has shown, Muller says, “that the average temperature of the Earth’s land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases.”

He calls his stance now “a total turnaround.”

Some leading climate scientists welcomed Muller’s comments, proof, they argued, that the science is so strong that even those inclined to reject it cannot once they examine it carefully.  Michael E. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said that Muller’s conversion might help shape the thinking of the “reasonable middle” of the population “who are genuinely confused and have been honestly taken in” by attacks on climate science.

On his Facebook page, Mann wrote: “There is a certain ironic satisfaction in seeing a study funded by the Koch Brothers – the greatest funders of climate change denial and disinformation on the planet – demonstrate what scientists have known with some degree of confidence for nearly two decades: that the globe is indeed warming, and that this warming can only be explained by human-caused increases in greenhouse gas concentrations. I applaud Muller and his colleagues for acting as any good scientists would, following where their analyses led them, without regard for the possible political repercussions.”

Muller’s conclusions, however, failed to sway the most ardent climate contrarians, like Marc Morano, a former top producer for Rush Limbaugh and communications director for the Republicans on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee who now runs the website climatedepot.com.  “Muller will be remembered as a befuddled professor who has yet to figure out how to separate climate science from his media antics. His latest claims provide no new insight into the climate science debate,” Morano said in an email.

Muller’s New York Times commentary follows research he did last year that confirmed the work of scientists who found the Earth’s temperature was rising. In the past, Muller had criticized which global temperatures were used in such research, contending that some monitoring stations provided inaccurate data.  Now, Berkeley’s research has weighed in on the causes of the temperature rise, testing arguments climate contrarians have used.

“What has caused the gradual but systematic rise of two and a half degrees?” Muller writes. “We tried fitting the shape to simple math functions (exponentials, polynomials), to solar activity and even to rising functions like world population. By far the best match was to the record of atmospheric carbon dioxide, measured from atmospheric samples and air trapped in polar ice.”

Muller asserted that his findings were ‘stronger’ than those of the U.N.’s Intergovernmental  panel. Yet,  neither Berkeley’s research from last year or the new findings on causality have been published in peer-reviewed journals, which has raised criticism and concerns among climatologists and contrarians alike.

Benjamin D. Santer, a climate researcher at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and a lead author of the 1995 U.N. climate report, said he welcomed the involvement of another research group into “detection and attribution” of climate change and its causes. But he also said he found it troubling that Muller claimed such definitive results without his work undergoing peer-review.

“If you go into public arena and claim to have generated evidence that is stronger than the IPCC, where is the detailed, scientific evidence? Has he used fundamental new data sets?” Santer said. “Publish the science and report on it after it’s done.”

He added: “I think you can do great harm to the broader debate. Imagine this scenario: that he makes these great claims and the papers aren't published? This (op-ed) is in the spirit of publicity, not the spirit of science.”

Elizabeth Muller, co-founder and executive director of the Berkeley project and Richard Muller’s daughter, said the papers had been peer-reviewed, but not yet published. But because of the long lead-up to publication, the Berkeley team decided to place its papers online, in part to solicit comment from other scientists. She said all the papers, including the latest, would be on the BerkeleyEarth.org website by Sunday evening.

“I believe the findings in our papers are too important to wait for the year or longer that it could take to complete the journal review process,” Elizabeth Muller wrote in an email. “We believe in traditional peer review; we welcome feedback [from] the public and any scientists who are interested in taking the time to make thoughtful comments. Our papers have received scrutiny by dozens of top scientists, not just the two or three that typically are called upon by journalists.”
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Post by: rjs246 on July 29, 2012, 04:32:56 PM
Oh so money and politics and really really hoping for something don't actually change agreed upon scientific facts? If people had brains in their heads this wouldn't even be news. Sadly people are farging idiots.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on July 29, 2012, 05:41:48 PM
Miller Lite?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on July 31, 2012, 09:46:35 PM
I have some educational videos for you all to watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DX3lZ8peBU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ELJt0vUBi4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz8F6v5NB8I


Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Yeti on July 31, 2012, 10:47:49 PM
Climate change is real and auto exhaust is the main cause.  I am going to destroy my Lincoln Navagator so nobody else can use it and I am going to buy a bicycle for transportation.

 :-D

Want to stop climate change?  Stop having kids. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on July 31, 2012, 11:20:10 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on August 01, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
I like that SD responds to scientific articles with Penn & Teller YouTube clips. Also Yeti is right. It's unlikely that we can do anything to reverse the damage we've done short of curbing population growth.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on August 01, 2012, 09:15:08 AM
even if global warming were literally a hoax....wouldnt it still be smart to limit how much we pollute the air...just in general

the im not sure if its true arguments from the right are so farging ignorant

its like the gun thing...they dont believe limiting certain kinds of guns and ammo or having more stringent background checks would really prevent any mass shootings

but again why wouldnt you want as few semi automatic weapons or 50 bullet clips on the streets as possible....is less automatically better than more??

at some point even in the absence of 100% proof doesnt common sense and/or doing the right thing factor in here somewhere?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on August 01, 2012, 09:26:31 AM
I like that SD responds to scientific articles with Penn & Teller YouTube clips. Also Yeti is right. It's unlikely that we can do anything to reverse the damage we've done short of curbing population growth.

I'm all for that.  You're not having kids, right?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on August 01, 2012, 09:31:20 AM
I'm not increasing the birthrate of our species. So... uh. Yeah.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 01, 2012, 09:56:51 AM
Ok, so just because people overreacted in the 80's to HIV/AIDS, doesn't mean that HIV/AIDS weren't real and didn't need to be addressed. Same thing here. Obviously there are a lot of idiots out there who take global warming to the extreme.  But that doesn't make it any less real.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on August 01, 2012, 10:08:37 AM
I agree with Yeti. Restricting the amount of punks the breeders are allowed to birth would significantly help.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on August 01, 2012, 11:07:05 AM
I'm not increasing the birthrate of our species. So... uh. Yeah.

High five?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on August 01, 2012, 11:42:05 AM
AIDS...no biggie.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on August 01, 2012, 11:49:43 AM
even if global warming were literally a hoax....wouldnt it still be smart to limit how much we pollute the air...just in general


Yes, it's a great idea and everyone should be good custodians of the planet.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on August 01, 2012, 01:18:03 PM
We could always breathe toxic fumes. Then you could drive that hummer and use 25 plastic bags when you go food shopping.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 01, 2012, 02:42:53 PM
and use 25 plastic bags when you go food shopping.

Now that I've got 2 dogs, I stopped using the re-usable grocery bags and now I have everything double bagged in plastic. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on August 01, 2012, 07:53:51 PM
I'm not increasing the birthrate of our species. So... uh. Yeah.

You would make a fantastic lawyer.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on August 05, 2012, 06:58:48 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-fish-die-midwest-streams-heat-183228110.html
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on August 05, 2012, 11:02:55 PM
The power outage in India has a lot to do with policy that has allowed growth of demand to outstrip supply, but it also has been exacerbated by climate change:  the rains which have always been relied upon to quench the fields have not come, and as a result, the farmers have resorted to irrigation powered by electric pumps.  Had the rains come, the pumps would not have placed such a strain on the already over-taxed system. 

These are not surprising phenomena.  This is the new reality.  Deny we caused it all you like, it's happening.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on August 05, 2012, 11:18:52 PM
Glad you are doing so much about it from your computer screen in your middle class home, hipster douche
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on August 05, 2012, 11:19:45 PM
I'll bet you ten pesos he's not using any of India's electricity.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on August 05, 2012, 11:48:18 PM
I'll bet you 50 Aussie dollars he moves on tomorrow to whatever problem the village voice tells him to care about
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on August 05, 2012, 11:53:03 PM
I'd be in real trouble if that problem is a lack of ditches.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on August 06, 2012, 02:07:08 AM
Motherfarging ditches.  Been digging and filling them for two weeks. 

I need a kitchen renovation job or I'll waste away before my next birthday.

It's hot down here.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on August 07, 2012, 01:14:20 PM
Climate Change Erodes the Ozone Layer Too (http://www.nl-aid.org/domain/environment/climate-change-erodes-the-ozone-layer/)

Article seems a little propagandistic, but probably true enough for me to grow out my hair to 80s glam rock legend length just so I can use Aquanet
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on October 15, 2012, 02:23:42 PM
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By DAVID ROSE
PUBLISHED: 16:42 EST, 13 October 2012 | UPDATED: 20:21 EST, 13 October 2012


Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz29NCU7eN3
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


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The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.
The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.
This means that the ‘plateau’ or ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/14/article-2217286-157E3ADF000005DC-561_644x358.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on October 15, 2012, 02:28:46 PM
flat earthers
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on October 15, 2012, 02:46:33 PM
Decades of consistent scientific research, thousands of studies and 100s of thousands of research hours undone by one graph. I'll bet science feels pretty foolish right now.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on October 16, 2012, 08:15:29 AM
That graph doesn't factor in historical context. I bet you could find plenty of 15 year snapshots where the temperature swing is 5 degrees (or whatever swing would be considered significant).
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on October 16, 2012, 08:25:15 AM
The Earth is 4.6 Billion years old I'm sure the weather has never fluctuated at any point.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on October 16, 2012, 09:18:44 AM
None of these things were ever taken into account by the people researching the subject. How embarrassing for them that you were able to crack the code.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on October 16, 2012, 09:31:52 AM
None of these things were ever taken into account by the people researching the subject. How embarrassing for them that you were able to crack the code.

They were alive 4 Billion years ago? People can't even predict tomorrows weather accurately and you think they know what the weather was like a million years ago?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on October 16, 2012, 09:40:15 AM
Studying the evidence of something that has already happened is slightly different than trying to predict the immediate future. Slightly.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on October 16, 2012, 09:42:43 AM
Studying the evidence of something that has already happened is slightly different than trying to predict the immediate future. Slightly.

So you're saying Jesus existed?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 16, 2012, 09:45:36 AM
Jesus almost certainy existed. It's his life story that I have a hard time buying into.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on October 16, 2012, 09:47:07 AM
is jesus the one that flew up to heaven or was that god?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on October 16, 2012, 09:48:06 AM
Studying the history of Jesus' life/existence isn't the same as treating the Bible like a historical document and creating several dogmatic branches of superstitious religion out of them. Terrible analogy.

Regardless, I'm just having fun poking the bear. Your insistence on denying established scientific fact is entertainment enough to get me through most days.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on October 16, 2012, 09:49:11 AM
Whatever I can do to help

If you get bored with this subject we can move on to women or pissing on toilet seats
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 16, 2012, 09:50:24 AM
Lol...I pissed on a public seat just a few days ago and thought about Rusty.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: rjs246 on October 16, 2012, 09:54:36 AM
Wow, that reference is from like seven years ago. You fargers have long memories.

Regardless, pissing on public toilet seats should be punishable by prison time. farging savages.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 16, 2012, 09:56:50 AM
If it makes you feel any better, the seat was disgusting to begin with and there was no way I was touching it to lift it up. I didn't even feel comfortable using the toe of my shoe to do the lifting.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on December 05, 2012, 12:44:43 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/sumerian-language-drought-climate-change_n_2238058.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/sumerian-language-drought-climate-change_n_2238058.html)

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The findings also suggest that modern-day civilizations may be vulnerable to climate change, he said.

Preposterous
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2012, 02:23:13 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/20-old-report-successfully-predicted-warming-scientists-200858337.html

Lies! Fake!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 20, 2013, 06:18:18 PM
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-025

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on January 21, 2013, 05:59:44 AM
Awesome.  My kids will get to see a Mad Max world.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on February 17, 2013, 09:38:34 AM
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/donors-trust-climate-denial

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Conservative billionaires used a secretive funding route to channel nearly $120 million to more than 100 groups casting doubt about the science behind climate change, the Guardian has learned.

The funds, doled out between 2002 and 2010, helped build a vast network of think tanks and activist groups working to a single purpose: to redefine climate change from neutral scientific fact to a highly polarizing "wedge issue" for hardcore conservatives.

You keep suspicious company, SD.  Might want to start thinking for yourself on this subject.

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/Screen%20Shot%202013-02-14%20at%204.17.43%20PM.png)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on February 17, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/149952_611935555502568_389878620_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on February 17, 2013, 10:07:56 AM
OMG YOU GUYZ R RGHT ABOUT GW CC!!1!!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on February 17, 2013, 11:11:31 AM
lol
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on February 17, 2013, 11:12:53 AM
BTW... Is it just me or does Tyson look like what Carlton from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air would look like as an adult?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on February 17, 2013, 11:33:03 AM
If you mean he's the step in between Carlton and Uncle Phil, sure.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on May 05, 2013, 06:56:33 PM
(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/climateflowchart-e1367442859568.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on May 13, 2013, 10:10:12 PM
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Have you been outside tonight?! I wore my Action News WINTER parka today and I am STILL chilly. I'm tracking near record cold along with a chance of frost on Action News at 11.

Just imagine how cold it would be tonight WITHOUT man made global warming.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2013, 10:14:48 PM
Probably not as chilly due to weather extremes being less extreme.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on May 14, 2013, 06:04:37 AM
He's baiting you, idiot.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 14, 2013, 08:09:01 AM
He's baiting you, idiot.
LOL
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on May 14, 2013, 10:15:33 AM
He's baiting you, idiot.

That's why I responded with a smart ass one line answer.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on July 28, 2013, 05:19:13 PM
The North Pole Has Melted. Again. (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/07/north-pole-has-melted-lake/67577/)

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In what has now become an annual occurrence, the North Pole's ice has melted, turning the Earth's most northern point into a lake. Call it Lake North Pole. To be clear, the water surrounding the pole is not seawater seeping up from the ocean but melted icewater resting on top of a thinning layer of ice below the surface. "It’s a shallow lake. It’s a cold lake. But it is, actually, a lake," writes William Wolfe-Wylie of Canada.com.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on July 28, 2013, 07:48:34 PM
(http://www.photoactive.co.uk/wp-content/images//2010/12/santa-afloat.jpg)
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on July 28, 2013, 09:12:23 PM
lol
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on August 09, 2013, 04:47:57 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/aug/08/global-warming-denial-fox-news

Turn off the Fox News and step away from the teevee, deniers.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2013, 01:17:51 PM
Hurricane SD?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efAUCG9oTb8
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on January 23, 2014, 07:22:04 AM
Is man made global warming still real?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 23, 2014, 08:02:53 AM
I've seen a few more studies pointing towards a global cooling, even as far as something similar to the Little Ice Age http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age .  The outlets who typically follow the weather trends are republican fluffers, and point to the weather recently as SD does, and even say that the global cooling is a normal event not man made.  How in the farg can we introduce the massive increase in CFC's, and other fuel emissions and pretend that they have zero effect?  The polar caps  are still melting, the cold is swinging south instead.  But hey, its cold outside!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on March 01, 2014, 09:09:49 AM
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/coldest-arctic-outbreak-1990s-midwest-south-east-20140103

How's that whole Global Warming theory working out?

Let's be honest, climate is unpredictable. Certain times in history it's hotter, certain times in history it's colder. Enough with the nonsense.

Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on March 01, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
Ha.  Yeah, good thinking.  There was a cold snap in a very localized region for a brief period, therefore climate change is not happening.

Idiot.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on March 01, 2014, 11:24:57 AM
This guy is my new idol. He was a member of Greenpeace for 15 years but left because he said the organization made assumptions and lies and took a sharp turn towards one political party. Of course none of you are open minded enough to believe any other than what Al tells you:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2569215/Humans-not-blame-global-warming-says-Greenpeace-founder-Patrick-Moore.html

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He told The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee: ‘There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years. If there were such a proof it would be written down for all to see. No actual proof, as it is understood in science, exists.’

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He said: ‘There is some correlation, but little evidence, to support a direct causal relationship between CO2 and global temperature through the millennia. The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming.’
Even if the earth does warm up, Moore claims that it will be to the advantage of humans and other forms of life, as ‘humans are a tropical species’


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Humans, he added, just aren’t capable of predicting global temperature changes.

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Post by: TAFKASD on March 01, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
Gore predicted in 2014 the polar ice caps would be completely melted. Ooops...they're up 50% and growing.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/16/global-warming-satellite-data-shows-arctic-sea-ice-coverage-up-50-percent/

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It was only five years ago in December that Al Gore claimed that the polar ice caps would be completely melted by now. But he might be surprised to find out that Arctic ice coverage is up 50 percent this year from 2012 levels.

“Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” Gore said in 2008.

The North Pole is still there, and growing. BBC News reports that data from Europe’s Cryosat spacecraft shows that Arctic sea ice coverage was nearly 9,000 cubic kilometers (2,100 cubic miles) by the end of this year’s melting season, up from about 6,000 cubic kilometers (1,400 cubic miles) during the same time last year.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/16/global-warming-satellite-data-shows-arctic-sea-ice-coverage-up-50-percent/#ixzz2ujcuLm00
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 01, 2014, 12:57:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller
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The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[1][2] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[3][4] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010. In late 2012, it was reported that the site had quadrupled its page view and total audience and had become profitable without ever buying an advertisement for itself.[5]
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Post by: TAFKASD on March 01, 2014, 01:22:15 PM
http://phys.org/news/2013-10-antarctic-sea-ice.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/23/antarctic-sea-ice-hit-35-year-record-high-saturday/
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130401-global-warming-antarctica-sea-ice-science-environment/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/jan/10/inconvenient-truth-ice-cap-growing/
http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/6040/20130911/global-cooling-arctic-ice-cap-60-photo.htm
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/09/12/remember-all-those-breathy-predictions-about-an-ice-free-arctic-by-2015-nevermind/
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Post by: Tomahawk on March 01, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/04/130401-global-warming-antarctica-sea-ice-science-environment/

The first two paragraphs of this article:

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As air and sea temperatures rise, Arctic sea ice is rapidly and uniformly dwindling. In 2012, Arctic sea ice declined so much that the loss "utterly" obliterated the previous record, set in 2007, according to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center.

As of 2012, the area of Arctic sea ice around the North Pole had shrunk to 1.58 million square miles (4.1 million square kilometers)—the smallest measurement since 1979, when satellite observations began.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on March 01, 2014, 06:06:52 PM
Not to mention it's the lack of land ice that is frightening....sea ice isn't as big a deal.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 02, 2014, 10:29:21 AM
No, all is fine!

Look, I get the hate for Gore, but seriously you're argument is we should keep creating more and more carbon?  That's the thing about Climate deniers and the like, they just don't seem to understand they are basically pawns in the global oil market game.  The Koch brothers among others have created this great sense of doubt about the science by buying off god knows how many people over the past 12 years, but just take a look at it from a logical standpoint.  Who does arguing that it doesnt hurt the earth help?  The rich dbags in the energy business.  Little foxnews lemmings follow the lead. 
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Post by: TAFKASD on March 02, 2014, 11:14:39 AM
All of those people...and the founder of Greenpeace.
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 02, 2014, 11:43:56 AM
I agree with him, we're not the Sole reason for Climate Change.  Oh, and your boy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_%28environmentalist%29
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In 2010, Moore was recruited to represent the Indonesian logging firm Asia Pulp & Paper (APP), a multi-national accused by activist groups of widespread and illegal rainforest clearance practices, although this is strongly disputed by Moore.

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In 2007 The Guardian reported on his writings for the Royal Society arguing against the theory that mankind was causing global warming, noting his advocacy for the felling of tropical rainforests and the planting of genetically engineered crops.[32] He has expressed his positive views of logging on the Greenspirit website.[33] In 2010, Moore was commissioned by forestry giant Asia Pulp and Paper to report on its logging activity in Indonesia's rainforests, resulting in a glowing review.[34]

But, back to my point.  Do you think its a good thing to do nothing about Pollution?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on March 03, 2014, 12:50:46 AM
it was 7 degress in north texas and 92 in laredo today

it was 80 year during the day and 50 at night

al gore something or other
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on March 03, 2014, 07:18:21 PM
Great Lakes are more than 90% covered in ice. Most coverage since 1963. 3rd most ice since they've kept records. The science is 

And lol at the morons protesting the Keystone Pipeline. I'm sure they all walked to the protest and everyone of them owns a cell phone. farging hypocrites.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on March 03, 2014, 07:26:18 PM
It snowed today, therefore global warming is not happening.  It's logic!
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Post by: Munson on March 03, 2014, 07:29:44 PM
Great Lakes experiencing extreme weather conditions means global warming isn't happening, even though every paper on climate change says a warmer overall planet leads to extreme weather conditions.

Someone should ask the Aussie's how their summer has been going. Does the fact that they've had record setting heat this summer mean global warming definitely IS happening, since great lakes ice means it definitely isn't happening?

Now I'm just confused.
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 04, 2014, 07:41:07 AM
micro vs macro
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Post by: TAFKASD on March 04, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
Coldest day on record in Philly for march 4th
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on March 04, 2014, 10:27:30 AM
warmest year on record for earth
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 04, 2014, 10:29:20 AM
Totally irrelevant, its Cold out now. 
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Post by: SunMo on March 04, 2014, 10:30:00 AM
SD is doing fine troll work here. 
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Post by: Diomedes on March 04, 2014, 10:30:15 AM
besides, the records only go back 25 years...

and Earth is 2,014 years old....so that means jack
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on March 04, 2014, 12:06:20 PM
warmest year on record for earth

And we're only in March
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2014, 12:40:45 PM
warmest year on record for earth

Need more big ass wind farms - they can be like big fans to help cool us down!
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Post by: Rome on March 04, 2014, 12:49:09 PM
Ok... That I laughed at.

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Post by: General_Failure on March 04, 2014, 03:20:34 PM
warmest year on record for earth

Need more big ass wind farms - they can be like big fans to help cool us down!

You fool! Those fans are in a closed system and acting like a convection oven. Burn the wind farms!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2014, 04:24:53 PM
I'm writing a petition to have some built in SD's neighborhood for the next Eagles city charity
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 23, 2014, 10:20:02 AM
Hey SD, did you watch Vice from friday? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxk64kbM30

And just to give context to sea level rise.  http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/  Collaboration of Googlemaps with topography/sea level overlay. 
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Post by: TAFKASD on March 23, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
I like the Beavis and Butthead drawing in the background, gives the video a real sense of professionalism.
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Post by: TAFKASD on March 23, 2014, 01:03:12 PM
As for the content of the video: More alarmist bullshtein. I give them credit for not showing any videos of polar bears swimming.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 07, 2014, 07:08:20 AM
From the Kennebec (ME) Journal:

Global warming report warns of climate disruption in Maine, New England (http://www.kjonline.com/news/Global_warming_report_warns_of_climate_disruption_in_Maine__New_England_.html)

And the report itself. (http://www.globalchange.gov/ncadac)
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 07, 2014, 07:40:47 AM
Best part about the report, I didn't hear a thing about it yesterday on TV news, while i heard it on Aussie radio all day in the news updates. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: phattymatty on May 07, 2014, 09:40:33 AM
um guys i'm sure god took into account pollution when he created the earth. all part of the plan.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on May 07, 2014, 01:59:32 PM
um guys i'm sure god took into account pollution when he created the earth. all part of the plan.

lol
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 07, 2014, 07:46:03 PM
um guys i'm sure god took into account pollution when he created the earth. all part of the plan.

Well, since global warming is God's punishment for abortion (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/31/possible-senate-candidate-david-barton-climate-change-is-gods-judgement-for-abortion/)...
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on May 07, 2014, 08:19:35 PM
So we've got gay floods, and dead baby heat, but what's the punishment for interracial marriage?
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Post by: TAFKASD on May 07, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
Ruben Amaro Jr
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2014, 08:43:53 PM
All expense paid trip to Mississippi?
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Post by: General_Failure on May 07, 2014, 08:45:14 PM
Ruben Amaro Jr

That seems pretty light. I guess jungle fever is a white collar sin.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on May 13, 2014, 09:52:08 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2014/05/12/70c26750-da00-11e3-b745-87d39690c5c0_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Yeti on May 13, 2014, 09:43:52 PM
Cool, I have a beach house a few blocks from the ocean.  In a few hundred years it will be beach front.

Suck it bitches.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on May 13, 2014, 09:47:25 PM
If you hire Dio and his shovel you could probably get there a little quicker.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on May 13, 2014, 09:49:16 PM
Poor polar bears
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1535060_343821745760828_231555514_n.png)
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2014, 10:05:13 PM
Cool, I have a beach house a few blocks from the ocean.  In a few hundred years it will be beach front.

Suck it bitches.

CF party at mr fancy pants' beach house!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on May 13, 2014, 10:08:19 PM
it won't be beach front for long, might want to book the caterer soon.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Yeti on May 14, 2014, 01:55:29 AM
Look at those bears living the life of Riley.  Sushi three times a day, a little dip in the water.  That little one's so lazy it won't even swim for itself.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2014, 07:30:10 AM
probably not the best "global warming is a hoax" picture....five years ago those bears were building a snowman and drinking coke in that exact spot
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Post by: TAFKASD on May 14, 2014, 08:52:12 AM
Took that picture right from the inconvenient truth Facebook page.
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 15, 2014, 07:53:32 AM
John Oliver had a good segment on the deniers. 

For someone like SD, this would apply, as its a statement that has been going on since the 70's in regards to the "Lets not farg up the planet movement"

'Don't you want to leave a better world for your grandchildren?' And we've all collectively responded, 'Eh, farg 'em.'"
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: ice grillin you on May 15, 2014, 07:56:52 AM
something ive been saying since the 70's

"most people are full of two things: themselves and shtein"
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 15, 2014, 08:11:31 AM
Hippy!
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Post by: ice grillin you on May 15, 2014, 08:28:45 AM
i wish
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on May 15, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
John Oliver had a good segment on the deniers. 

For someone like SD, this would apply, as its a statement that has been going on since the 70's in regards to the "Lets not farg up the planet movement"

'Don't you want to leave a better world for your grandchildren?' And we've all collectively responded, 'Eh, farg 'em.'"

Were there crazy liberals predicting doom, glaciers collapsing and swimming polar bears? If so I'm ALL IN
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on May 15, 2014, 01:50:44 PM
i know sd is trolling but embracing ignorance is an odd thing to troll with
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Post by: Yeti on May 15, 2014, 07:55:43 PM
The earths climate is like the Concreteboard.  Slowly dying.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 15, 2014, 08:41:23 PM
Hell nah! Cf is alive and well
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Post by: Diomedes on May 15, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
The best I could say is that :CF persists.   
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 15, 2014, 08:44:37 PM
It'll never die. We've all been here for 10+ years
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Diomedes on May 15, 2014, 08:45:47 PM
Yeah, all ten of us.

And getting fewer by the year.

Doin' great!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 15, 2014, 08:59:24 PM
We need to send some of the townsfolk out on recruiting trips. Go forth!
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on May 20, 2014, 09:53:26 PM
My man
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/05/20/pat-sajak-global-warming-alarmists-are-unpatriotic-racists/
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2014, 09:56:14 PM
How many times do you think he's banged Vanna?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on May 20, 2014, 10:08:53 PM
None. He thinks she's an ice queen, which is why he's so against this global warming conspiracy. If there's so much heat, why are his balls so blue? Your quack science can't explain that.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 20, 2014, 10:19:01 PM
Haha nice
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 21, 2014, 07:46:37 AM
My man
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/05/20/pat-sajak-global-warming-alarmists-are-unpatriotic-racists/
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/11/pat-sajak-flyers
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Post by: TAFKASD on May 21, 2014, 08:52:08 AM
Does Ed Snider love him or hate him
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Post by: Tomahawk on May 23, 2014, 12:31:05 PM
(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10308359_403451219797880_4454257174740644595_n.png)
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Post by: Rome on May 23, 2014, 02:17:47 PM
The earth is only 6,000 years old.  God is real, Jesus rose from the dead and what you do in 60-70 years on Earth will determine where you spend the next 100 trillion years after you die.

HOW CAN YOU DENY THESE TRUTHS?!?
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Post by: Diomedes on May 23, 2014, 05:48:39 PM
Hats exist.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2014, 07:14:33 PM
I wore a nice midnight green eagles fitted one today as a matter of fact
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Tomahawk on May 24, 2014, 04:20:17 PM
The earth is only 6,000 years old.  God is real, Jesus rose from the dead and what you do in 60-70 years on Earth will determine where you spend the next 100 trillion years after you die.

HOW CAN YOU DENY THESE TRUTHS?!?

60-70 years? You better repent soon, brother.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on May 24, 2014, 05:37:47 PM
Hats exist.

haha... legit lol.

nice work, you goddamn godless liberal pansy.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on May 24, 2014, 06:10:40 PM
Aside from Dio, how many of you actually make sacrifices to help the environment? I'm not talking changing light bulbs or recycling. I'm talking you carpool, take public transportation, bought a hybrid vehicle, use solar panels...etc. Real shtein, real sacrifices.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 06:57:09 PM
One of my biggest complaints about Houston is their zesty public transportation system. It's virtually nonexistent. If I lived out in the burbs then I'd use the park and ride but I am in the city. If they had something like septa with regionals and subway? I'd be all over it.

I'm five miles from my office and it's not safe to walk or ride my bike so I can't do that.

I also live in an apartment building but they do use solar panels in the office and community buildings.

So other than recycling virtually everything I don't do anything special
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Post by: General_Failure on May 24, 2014, 07:13:43 PM
Public transportation and carpooling, but that doesn't count since I'm legally blind anyway. I did have a nice vegetable garden going for a while with a compost bin next to it, but nothing down here.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 07:26:43 PM
Are you really legally blind?
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Post by: General_Failure on May 24, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 07:31:26 PM
I did not know that. How much can you actually see?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on May 24, 2014, 07:35:11 PM
20/20 with the right eye, just colors with the left.

They said they could fix it with surgery, but they also said I'd have to be awake during it so farg that.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on May 24, 2014, 07:35:24 PM
I'm actually fairly conscious of my effect on the environment.  I take public transportation whenever possible, I recycle and do all the other normal things.  I also use a rain barrel for landscaping irrigation.  I'm not a nut about it, though.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Munson on May 24, 2014, 07:43:56 PM
Aside from Dio, how many of you actually make sacrifices to help the environment? I'm not talking changing light bulbs or recycling. I'm talking you carpool, take public transportation, bought a hybrid vehicle, use solar panels...etc. Real shtein, real sacrifices.

Obviously still too poor to own my own home, but when I finally get this degree done and me and my girl eventually get our own place, we're both pretty adamant that we wanna spend the money to get solar panels. I know one person who's done it and their electric bill is basically nothing. They even sell some of their power back to the electric company. How that works I have no idea.

Most I'm able to do right now is ride my bike when I wanna make a trip to the Wawa that's a mile away.

Would also like to get a hybrid vehicle some day if money permits. Have a 2001 Honda Accord now that's pretty decent on gas, but I'm still filling up every 10-14 days.

20/20 with the right eye, just colors with the left.

They said they could fix it with surgery, but they also said I'd have to be awake during it so farg that.

I don't know what the surgery would entail, but everyone I know that has gotten lasic says it's weird as farg when they're scraping your eye and shtein, but you don't really feel it.
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Post by: General_Failure on May 24, 2014, 07:47:26 PM
I heard the words "awake" and something that roughly translates to "slice your eyeball the farg up so we can get in there" and stopped paying attention.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 07:59:45 PM
20/20 with the right eye, just colors with the left.

They said they could fix it with surgery, but they also said I'd have to be awake during it so farg that.

And this is why I will not do LASIK. I hate wearing glasses (other than Oakley sunglasses) and contacts get tiring. But farg being away for eye surgery.

So does that mean you're restricted from driving all together? My cousin had one of her eyes removed when she was a kid and she's able to drive.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on May 24, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
I've driven, but I never got my license. Never got too comfortable with it. Maybe the boulevard isn't the best place to learn to drive, I don't know.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2014, 08:10:33 PM
Haha no that road sucks completely.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 27, 2014, 11:46:16 AM
Aside from Dio, how many of you actually make sacrifices to help the environment? I'm not talking changing light bulbs or recycling. I'm talking you carpool, take public transportation, bought a hybrid vehicle, use solar panels...etc. Real shtein, real sacrifices.
Have a Geothermal system, hybrid hot water heater, wood stove, and I don't use fertilizers in our garden or yard.   Maintain a composting pile which helps limit our trash.  We have two rain barrels which are used for the garden.  In April and May I planted 50 trees on my property which were purchased thru the Maryland Land program, .85 cents for a tree.  We did 25 Green Ash Trees, and then found out about another program in our county which gave us 25 trees for free. (Five each ofSycamore,Persimmon, Silverberry, Winterberry, River Birch).  For the woodstove, I use trees from our lot that are already felled, mostly from the Derecho and two hurricanes over the past 3 years. 

Did some preliminary discussions with the state about some of the marsh that is on our property, and ways to extend the non tidal freshwater marsh further out into the brackish marsh wetlands.  Had some success with some grasses taking root and pushing some of the invasive phragmites out. 

Looked into Solar Panels.  Main problem is the way that the programs work.  The design they came up with would be 48 250Watt Panels 12KW system, expected to produce almost 14kWh annually. 

Astrum Solar has 3 programs, one which you buy outright, it'd be 35k after the tax credits and whatnot, but I'd get to keep the SREC credits, which will help pay off the costs at a much more accelerated rate.  The second is setting up a loan in which you come up with 7500 as a down payment, they setup a loan, and take the Srec and tax credits to pay off the loan.  Takes about 16 years to get the loan paid off that way.  The third option is nothing down, they take all of the tax credits and SREC credits.  You essentially have a 30 year contract with them using your house to make them money, and possibly offset your electric costs.  They said our bill would drop from 260 to about 140 per month this way.  Still haven't made a decision because I'd prefer to get those juicy tax credits. 

In the end, I'd say that we're pretty green.  I try my best to make the environment a better place for my son to grow up.  All the while taking advantage of the multitude of state, county, and Federal programs that are available if you just do a little research. 
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Post by: Geowhizzer on May 27, 2014, 12:22:47 PM
I looked into solar - after all, I live in the "Sunshine State," but right now they're cost-prohibitive.

Installed a brand new energy-efficient A/C unit - try to keep it at 78.  I'd prefer it 75.

My property is fairly "natural," a by-product of living in a rural area.   Well-wooded (mostly pine).

Thinking about growing some winter vegetables next year.  Hard to do summer stuff, because parts of our property are prone to flooding in the monsoon season.
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Post by: ice grillin you on May 30, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
this is big news.....

http://www.rtcc.org/2014/05/30/china-expects-to-launch-national-carbon-market-in-2018/
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 07, 2014, 09:53:33 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/06/rolling-coal-photos-video_n_5561477.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
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Post by: MDS on July 08, 2014, 01:14:34 AM
that cant be a real story, thats from the onion
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Post by: Diomedes on July 08, 2014, 06:02:37 AM
idiot america

put these people down already
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 08, 2014, 07:39:04 AM
wait they are purposely identifying themselves as "anti enviroment"....this kind of reminds me of rick santorum being anti college
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 08, 2014, 09:01:32 AM
I didn't know that redneck activity had a name.

I've seen these idiots doing that for years. Big diesel "dude bro" trucks that never touch an off-road surface yet they're lifted and with dual stacks.

Redneck clowns.
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Post by: SunMo on July 08, 2014, 09:15:05 AM
enjoy your people, SD
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 08, 2014, 09:45:28 AM
its just amazing to me how the right is never satisfied with a kind of crazy position on an issue...whether its guns or reproductive rights or religion theres always that extra notch of crazy they can get to just when you think there isnt one

in this case its not enough to wonder if global warming is man made...you then have to question the science and whether it is even happening at all....and finally now people are proud to call themselves anti enviroment

think about that for a minute......these people are trying to hurt the enviroment....wtf?
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on July 08, 2014, 10:20:31 AM
its just amazing to me how the right is never satisfied with a kind of crazy position on an issue...whether its guns or reproductive rights or religion theres always that extra notch of crazy they can get to just when you think there isnt one

in this case its not enough to wonder if global warming is man made...you then have to question the science and whether it is even happening at all....and finally now people are proud to call themselves anti enviroment

think about that for a minute......these people are trying to hurt the enviroment....wtf?
They get a kick out of driving down Main St in my town and smoking out tourists.  I saw one of these aholes do it to a family with a stroller.  Like Phreak said, i had no clue there was a name to what they're doing.
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 08, 2014, 10:23:15 AM
They get a kick out of driving down Main St in my town and smoking out tourists.


what?
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on July 08, 2014, 10:30:11 AM
They get a kick out of driving down Main St in my town and smoking out tourists.


what?
not that kind of smoke :(
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 08, 2014, 10:35:07 AM
no im seriously confused....are you saying that they purposely blow the kind of black smoke thats in the youtube inside the huff post article on people who are visiting their town and putting money into its local economy?
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 08, 2014, 10:53:10 AM
Yes...they do it here too. See someone walking on the side of the road and they goose it and the truck burps the black smoke onto them.

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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on July 08, 2014, 11:02:15 AM
no im seriously confused....are you saying that they purposely blow the kind of black smoke thats in the youtube inside the huff post article on people who are visiting their town and putting money into its local economy?
Brilliant, isn't it?  You can see them purposely throwing the hammer down in front of the restaurants and people walking.  I say them, but it was one truck that I saw, and considering some of the local mentality I know there's more of them. 
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Post by: rjs246 on July 08, 2014, 11:03:40 AM
its just amazing to me how the right is never satisfied with a kind of crazy position on an issue...whether its guns or reproductive rights or religion theres always that extra notch of crazy they can get to just when you think there isnt one

in this case its not enough to wonder if global warming is man made...you then have to question the science and whether it is even happening at all....and finally now people are proud to call themselves anti enviroment

think about that for a minute......these people are trying to hurt the enviroment....wtf?

This. What the farg is wrong with these people?

Also, on topic:
http://wonkette.com/553644/prius-driving-wussies-at-epa-say-rollin-coal-illegal-jackbooted-thugs-coming-for-yer-trucknutz

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Post by: ice grillin you on July 08, 2014, 11:34:53 AM
no im seriously confused....are you saying that they purposely blow the kind of black smoke thats in the youtube inside the huff post article on people who are visiting their town and putting money into its local economy?
Brilliant, isn't it?  You can see them purposely throwing the hammer down in front of the restaurants and people walking.  I say them, but it was one truck that I saw, and considering some of the local mentality I know there's more of them.

dont get me wrong i dont get it at all....but in a case like this it sounds more like some neck just being a fleshpop and trying to show off by thinking hes funny....versus someone making some sort of political statement regarding global warming
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Post by: Diomedes on July 08, 2014, 03:12:20 PM
right but it's both at the same time

Any chance the cops would ticket their buddies for this?  Yeah.
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 18, 2014, 05:50:27 PM
Man made global warming is real....

except in the midwest where temps are dropping to the 40's in mid July
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/14/us/weather/index.html?sr=fb071414usweather7pvodtoplink
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Post by: Diomedes on July 18, 2014, 06:56:12 PM
Which has been predicted...by global warming scientists....for decades.  Ignorant ass.
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Post by: rjs246 on July 18, 2014, 08:31:13 PM
Don't feed the hungry hungry hippos.
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Post by: MDS on July 19, 2014, 01:27:24 AM
Don't feed the hungry hungry hippos.

yup

this is like igy's soccer schtick.
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 19, 2014, 01:29:45 AM
cept soccer really sucks and global warming is really real

other than that its exactly the same
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Post by: MDS on July 19, 2014, 01:31:26 AM
sd knows its real...or at least somewhat real...hes just trolling by pulling the "its cold!!" card and has admitting as much
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 19, 2014, 01:35:44 AM
sd is a master troll....but I dont know if he really has a thought on whether global warming is real or not...but that doesn't matter...he just likes farging with people who have priuses
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 19, 2014, 02:34:47 AM
SD is a Rolllin' Coal troll?!?

A lady wearing a support the wind energy tshirt driving a Prius with a bumper sticker warning of global warming pulls up to SD he will __________?
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 19, 2014, 02:36:20 AM
you could have just stopped with "a lady" and filled in the blank with kill
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 29, 2014, 07:54:00 AM
Coldest summer on record so far in the us

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Post by: smeags on July 29, 2014, 08:36:24 AM
omg here comes the ice age caused by man made global warming !
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 30, 2014, 07:32:01 AM
I threw a hoodie on this morning. Fall like weather in July
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Post by: General_Failure on July 30, 2014, 09:24:19 AM
Thanks for the update. We'll keep you in our prayers.
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Post by: Rome on July 30, 2014, 09:30:41 AM
It was blazingly hot here yesterday but it's actually gorgeous out this morning.  Once in a blue moon we get a morning like this in summer or spring/fall for that matter.
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 30, 2014, 09:32:50 AM
this has been the best summer in a long time....i would say since june 1 ive had my air conditioning off for around 7-10 days
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 30, 2014, 09:35:48 AM
It's balls stick to your leg humid here.
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 30, 2014, 09:36:14 AM
Glad to see you're all coming around

Mission Accomplished
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Post by: smeags on July 30, 2014, 10:09:16 AM
not so fast - temps going to the upper 80's again next week. MMGW is still alive and well.
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Post by: General_Failure on July 30, 2014, 11:53:07 AM
Oh good, I was worried I'd have to start attending church again.
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Post by: Munson on July 30, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
It's a good thing it's called United States warming, and not global warming.
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Post by: General_Failure on July 30, 2014, 12:08:14 PM
If we called it Global Dutch Oven more people would take it seriously.
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Post by: smeags on July 30, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
If we called it Global Dutch Oven more people would take it seriously.

trademark this !
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Post by: SunMo on July 31, 2014, 03:24:26 PM
Bill Weir ‏@BillWeirCNN  17h
Weather is not climate, you willfully ignorant fargsticks. MT @foxnation: Climate Doesn’t Cooperate With Al Gore
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Post by: Geowhizzer on August 05, 2014, 11:28:47 PM
The Pope agrees with Dio. (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/21/3440075/pope-francis-if-we-destroy-creation-creation-will-destroy-us/)
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Post by: SunMo on August 26, 2014, 11:15:30 AM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10575430_913816408639371_805747094760764315_o.jpg)
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Post by: TAFKASD on August 26, 2014, 11:58:42 AM
That's the most retarded thing I've ever seen
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Post by: TAFKASD on September 22, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/18/us-veterans-solar-panels_n_5841152.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
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Post by: General_Failure on September 22, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
When those solar panels start planning attacks on the US in five years don't say you weren't warned.
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Post by: TAFKASD on September 22, 2014, 05:15:13 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/21/peoples-climate-march-size_n_5858066.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000044
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Post by: TAFKASD on October 09, 2014, 03:05:55 PM
Not good news for the alarmists

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/09/we_have_more_to_learn_says_scientist_antarctic_sea_ice_at_all_time_record/
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Post by: smeags on October 09, 2014, 03:47:34 PM
*crickets
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Post by: phattymatty on October 09, 2014, 03:54:11 PM
That's because there are no alarmists here. The whole "debate" really breaks down into 3 groups.

1% anti-global warming alarmists, also known as idiots
98% people with common sense
1% global warming alarmists, also known as dirty hippies
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Post by: ice grillin you on October 09, 2014, 06:36:29 PM
lol....that about sums it up
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Post by: Rome on October 09, 2014, 06:40:29 PM
i prefer clean water to drink and clean air to breathe, and there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that we're farging up the environment, but honestly, i'm likely dying in a max of 25 years, so i really don't give a shtein either way.

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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2014, 06:40:41 PM
That's because there are no alarmists here. The whole "debate" really breaks down into 3 groups.

1% anti-global warming alarmists, also known as idiots
98% people with common sense
1% global warming alarmists, also known as dirty hippies

Boom
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 18, 2015, 08:43:38 PM
@BrianLehrer: This just in from @NOAA:
2014 was the warmest year on record on earth.
The previous record was... 2013.
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Post by: TAFKASD on January 18, 2015, 08:51:09 PM
@BrianLehrer: This just in from @NOAA:
2014 was the warmest year on record on earth.
The previous record was... 2013.

4.6 billion years says it wasn't the warmest by a long shot
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Post by: Geowhizzer on January 18, 2015, 10:24:21 PM
It was damn hot in Florida.  Then again, what else is new?
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Post by: Diomedes on February 21, 2015, 08:57:51 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/us/ties-to-corporate-cash-for-climate-change-researcher-Wei-Hock-Soon.html?_r=0

Republican/SD darling found taking oil money in exchange for publishing bullshtein research that questions climate change. 
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Post by: shorebird on February 21, 2015, 09:13:29 PM
There are those out there who think people like that, even if they aren't taking money, are criminally negligent, and should face charges.

Is misinformation about the climate criminally negligent? (https://theconversation.com/is-misinformation-about-the-climate-criminally-negligent-23111)

Lock that farger up!!
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Post by: TAFKASD on April 01, 2015, 07:06:51 PM
http://rare.us/story/new-study-called-a-death-blow-to-global-warming-hysteria/
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Post by: MDS on April 01, 2015, 07:40:31 PM
heads up it was 67 degrees on antarctica earlier this week
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Post by: TAFKASD on April 22, 2015, 09:49:36 AM
Happy Earth Day
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Post by: smeags on April 22, 2015, 09:55:54 AM
the real earth day was monday. 
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Post by: General_Failure on April 22, 2015, 09:57:42 AM
Can't be, Google said Monday was Loch Ness Monster Picture Day.
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Post by: smeags on April 22, 2015, 10:31:26 AM
well, if you read it on the internet ...
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Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
really good story in the inky today on the green roof trend around philly
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2015, 12:20:48 PM
They should mandate them and also that each house has a little wind power turbine.

How fast would SD sell and move?!
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Post by: smeags on April 22, 2015, 03:01:09 PM
worry about oil country jay.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2015, 03:35:47 PM
Yeehaw!

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Post by: Diomedes on June 19, 2015, 10:36:57 PM
https://xkcd.com/1338/
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 22, 2015, 09:23:07 AM
The humidity the past few days has been off the charts bad.  It's 83 degrees out, but with the humidity at 72% it feels like a reprieve from the weekend.  With all of the recent rain, the mosquito population is out of control, as well as black flies and other noseeums.  Said F it and bought a bat house for 400 bats and a purple martin house to try and control the insect part. 

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Post by: General_Failure on June 22, 2015, 09:37:18 AM
If you shopped around you probably could have gotten one for 350 bats.
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 22, 2015, 10:02:13 AM
Now you tell me. 
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Post by: Munson on June 22, 2015, 11:17:46 AM
The dew point is what makes humidity feel awful, and I remember it being in the mid-80's a couple weeks ago, and 70 is when it starts to feel uncomfortable.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on June 22, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
Taking a trip to Williamsburg VA with the family.  It's cooler in Naples!
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2015, 07:19:37 PM
I thought I'd grown used to this balls sticking to your leg Houston humidity but lately it's been insane

Take a shower before work and walk outside and you're sweating

Makes for good exercise weather though because you'll be sopping wet with a quickness
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Post by: Diomedes on June 22, 2015, 07:30:36 PM
Yet, 90 out of 100 Texans are over weight and the majority of those are obese.
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 01, 2015, 12:52:47 PM
They sell toilets at Home Depot for $98 that save water. Button ones for piss button twos for shteins. I installed them in both of my bathrooms. Just want you tree huggers to know I'm doing my part.

I'm actually taking a dump on one now as I type this
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2015, 11:22:14 PM
@realDonaldTrump: The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

SD just stood up and slow clapped
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Post by: ice grillin you on October 21, 2015, 01:20:37 PM
pretty frightening...

http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-learned-on-an-arctic-cruise-through-the-global-warming-apocalypse/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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Post by: TAFKASD on October 21, 2015, 01:58:40 PM
oh man, we're all doomed now.
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Post by: smeags on October 21, 2015, 03:01:42 PM
so Ill have beach front property in ten years.


I win.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 26, 2015, 04:03:13 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alanboyle/2015/10/26/too-hot-for-hajj-scientists-raise-alarm-about-persian-gulfs-future-climate/

Repubs will be happy..."cook the mooslims!"
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Post by: QB Eagles on October 26, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
I'm a global warming guy, but that story (like 90% of science stories on non-science sites) is clickbait crap. The article itself says that temperatures in Mecca wouldn't reach the threshold before the end of the century even under the business as usual scenario. I know that some people think the only way to get anything done about the warming is by scaring people with exaggerations, but that's not how I roll.

Also, in general, the arctic regions are warming faster than the tropics, and the winters are warming faster than the summers, so ridiculously hotter summers in desert areas isn't really the way to think about what's happening. Mecca's likely to get hotter due to increased urbanization (Bin Laden's family seems to build a new hotel for rich people there every 6 months) at a faster rate than global warming would have an impact on it anyway.
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Post by: TAFKASD on November 05, 2015, 06:28:05 PM
http://www.weather.com/science/news/antarctic-ice-growing-nasa-data-finds

Latest NASA satellites shows Antarctica ice mass is GROWING. Keep on believing, suckers.
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Post by: Munson on November 05, 2015, 07:16:49 PM
You do know that things tend to not just trend up or down in a straight line...yes?


I.e.
(http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/10/Figure3_Sept2013_trend.png)
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Post by: Geowhizzer on November 05, 2015, 08:42:45 PM
I certainly hope that global warming makes that graph shrink...
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Post by: Munson on November 05, 2015, 08:47:36 PM
It's the cooling that makes me shrink
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Post by: Rome on November 05, 2015, 09:38:37 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/10/21/after-record-shattering-september-2015-in-commanding-lead-for-earths-hottest-year-on-record/
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Post by: Geowhizzer on November 05, 2015, 10:49:07 PM
94 farging degrees today.  94.  On November 5.
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Post by: smeags on November 06, 2015, 07:57:29 AM
we may break the record of 79 today.
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Post by: Rome on November 06, 2015, 12:22:02 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/obama-set-to-reject-keystone-xl-project-citing-climate-concerns/

farging awesome.  God I love second term Barry so very much.
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Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 04:47:31 PM
the avg date for the Atlantics first tropical storm of the year is July 9....one is there now
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 05:06:18 PM
Obama crushed his line on the global warming last night.
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Post by: TAFKASD on January 13, 2016, 08:45:50 PM
It's called Climate Change...c'mon man, Global Warming was so 7 years ago
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Post by: Tomahawk on April 03, 2016, 10:20:17 AM
(http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Climate-Change-Resized.jpg)
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Post by: TAFKASD on April 03, 2016, 10:36:40 AM
It's like 30 degrees in Philly today...wind gusts up to 60 mph
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Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2016, 10:49:46 AM
It's like 30 degrees in Philly today...wind gusts up to 60 mph

probably will make it only the 3rd warmest april ever instead of the 2nd warmest
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Post by: Rome on April 03, 2016, 11:02:38 AM
The only thing dumber than hyperbolic forecasts of doom are the deniers who say we're not affecting the climate at all.  They're usually the same folks who have an unshakeable belief in GOD, so...
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Post by: General_Failure on April 03, 2016, 03:05:22 PM
(http://www.birdandmoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/protest.jpg)
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Post by: Munson on April 03, 2016, 04:15:46 PM
Coral reef getting effed in the a (http://www.vox.com/2016/3/30/11332636/great-barrier-reef-coral-bleaching) due to the combo of warmer sea temps from climate change and this year's bad el nino
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Post by: TAFKASD on April 12, 2016, 07:03:09 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/20160411_Reuters_tagreuterscom2016newsmlMT1VRT1201749591_Sarah_Palin_Endorses_Anti_Climate_Change_Film__EXCLUSIVE_.html
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Post by: smeags on April 12, 2016, 08:57:47 AM
Well you finally convinced me SD.
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Post by: Sgt PSN on April 12, 2016, 09:29:15 AM
If Palin is on board with it then it must be true.
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Post by: smeags on April 12, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
Pretty much the EF Hutton, of life.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 15, 2016, 08:22:16 PM
https://i.redd.it/t7vo7ixobf3x.png
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Post by: Geowhizzer on June 15, 2016, 09:45:03 PM
I knew it was farging hot out there today.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: TAFKASD on June 15, 2016, 10:01:07 PM
Temps have been consistently below average in Philly.
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Post by: smeags on June 16, 2016, 08:27:03 AM
Temps have been consistently below average in Philly.

I believe only may has been below the average so far this year.
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Post by: Diomedes on June 16, 2016, 10:18:26 AM
Facts schmacts.
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Post by: TAFKASD on June 16, 2016, 11:21:00 AM
Temps have been consistently below average in Philly.

I believe only may has been below the average so far this year.

June too

It's chilly out there today.

Climate Change yo
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Post by: QB Eagles on June 16, 2016, 02:00:36 PM
There's a reason it's called global climate change and not local Philly weather.
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 16, 2016, 02:12:51 PM
yeah hopefully the weather in philly moves north and stops the icebergs from flooding the world
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Post by: TAFKASD on June 16, 2016, 02:15:55 PM
Catastrophic
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Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 01:30:10 PM
why do you hate polar bears so much, SD ?

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Post by: Munson on June 20, 2016, 02:12:42 PM
It's hot as farg outside today. I guess global warming is back on.
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Post by: ice grillin you on November 17, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
holy yikes

http://www.slate.com/articles/video/video/2016/11/nasa_video_shows_arctic_sea_ice_change_since_1984.html

i thought i was going to be able to out live catastrophe....not so sure now
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Post by: smeags on November 17, 2016, 02:04:59 PM
I figure I have beach front property in 15-20yrs.
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Post by: TAFKASD on November 17, 2016, 02:37:47 PM
Wind turbines
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Post by: General_Failure on November 17, 2016, 02:50:48 PM
I figure I have beach front property in 15-20yrs.

There's gonna be good money to be made in building up coast lines so poors like you stay inland where you belong.
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Post by: smeags on November 17, 2016, 03:34:28 PM
so I have to move to Pittsburgh ?  :o
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Post by: Geowhizzer on November 17, 2016, 07:17:30 PM
I figure I have beach front property in 15-20yrs.

Mine will be ocean property.
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Post by: ice grillin you on November 18, 2016, 08:39:21 AM
real nice article on why obama was an excellent president and these monsters about to take over all parts of washington are so scary

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2016/11/environmentalists-get-a-dose-of-good-news-000233
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 13, 2016, 11:20:13 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.d4ccb6020304

The Führer
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Post by: rjs246 on December 28, 2016, 07:18:16 AM
I've been gone for a while, has SD admitted that he's been trolling everyone about climate change yet? Or is he still pretending to be a science truther while everyone freaks out about it?
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Post by: smeags on December 28, 2016, 10:03:22 AM
I was under the impression that trump settled this debate.
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Post by: rjs246 on December 28, 2016, 10:07:02 AM
The invisible hand of the market, overt racism and twitter hissy-fits will fix the planet. Got it.
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Post by: TAFKASD on December 28, 2016, 10:39:24 AM
I've been gone for a while, has SD admitted that he's been trolling everyone about climate change yet? Or is he still pretending to be a science truther while everyone freaks out about it?

Your miserable attitude is still refreshing

No
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Post by: smeags on December 28, 2016, 01:10:11 PM
SD = super diesel ?
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Post by: Geowhizzer on December 28, 2016, 02:29:02 PM
High temperature was 90 where I live yesterday.  farg that.
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Post by: smeags on December 28, 2016, 02:34:55 PM
it was 63 in philly yesterday.

the world is melting.
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Post by: Diomedes on December 28, 2016, 02:59:20 PM
Rapidly, too. 

It's entirely possible that human beings have already created the next mass extinction event, that it's unstoppable no matter what we do, and even that we or our own children will witness it and suffer terribly from it.

Climate change is easily the greatest threat facing humanity.
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Post by: TAFKASD on December 28, 2016, 04:23:59 PM
lol
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Post by: Diomedes on December 28, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
guaranteed you voted for Trump
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 28, 2016, 06:48:48 PM
It felt great in Philly this morning when I left.

Houston is a sweltering 85 degrees and has been over 80 for five days in a row. First time in 20 years it happened in December.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on December 28, 2016, 09:47:42 PM
We're at six in a row (which will supposedly end tomorrow with a forecast high of "only" 78).  We've been at or above 80 for all but six days this month.  It's been a hot, dry winter.  Fire season ought to be a joy.
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Post by: smeags on December 29, 2016, 10:08:25 AM
bunch a Hoydas, go get some good sunblock and quit yer bitchin'.
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Post by: General_Failure on December 29, 2016, 12:03:14 PM
SPF 50 and I'll still burn on an overcast day.
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Post by: MDS on December 29, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
lol

offtopic but hows your sister doing?

*ducks*
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Post by: Geowhizzer on December 29, 2016, 03:45:59 PM
We're at six in a row (which will supposedly end tomorrow with a forecast high of "only" 78).  We've been at or above 80 for all but six days this month.  It's been a hot, dry winter.  Fire season ought to be a joy.

Update:  Streak continues.  86 today - seven in a row.  Supposedly a cool snap tomorrow, but back to 80 by Sunday.
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Post by: Tomahawk on February 03, 2017, 03:48:42 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/climatechange-sweden-idUSL5N1FN6F2

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Seven of eight parties in the Nordic nation's parliament - all but the far-right Sweden Democrats - agreed to pass a law in the coming months to oblige governments to set tougher goals to cut fossil fuel use every four years towards the 2045 cut-off.

Why can't we legitimately have eight political parties?
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Post by: Rome on June 01, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
It's official.  President fargface is pulling us out of the Paris Accord.

Thank goodness we didn't vote for Hillary, though.  We'd be in REAL trouble then!
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Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 03:40:27 PM
countries denying science

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBQm-NrWsAEjc7K.jpg)
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 03:41:55 PM
its a really sad day for america but i dont know why people are going crazy and/or acting suprised...he said he was going to do this all thru the campaign

also we all know how much he wants people to like him and about the only people in the country who do is his base and other than racism nothing appeals more to his people than anti globalism
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 03:49:55 PM
nicaraugua didnt agree to paris because it wasnt progressive enough they are like 80% renewable right now and moving forward much faster than us
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Post by: TAFKASD on June 01, 2017, 03:58:38 PM
countries denying science

#MAGA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 04:07:35 PM
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But he will stick to the withdrawal process laid out in the Paris agreement, which President Barack Obama joined and most of the world has already ratified. That could take nearly four years to complete, meaning a final decision would be up to the American voters in the next presidential election.

sooooo nothing will happen?
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 04:17:03 PM
"I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh not Paris."


lol he thinks cause its called the paris agreement that its for the people of paris
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 01, 2017, 04:53:45 PM
Because he's a stupid farging idiot and so are his speech writers
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Post by: Rome on June 01, 2017, 04:58:58 PM
Every decision this fargface makes has the potential for catastrophe.  This one is the worst of all of them.  Simply incredible.   I have never been as ashamed of this country as I am right now.
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Post by: Rome on June 01, 2017, 05:05:23 PM
And by the way... Elon Musk made good on his promise to walk from Trump's science club and Tim Cook called the White House to beg fargface to reconsider.

Yeah, good luck with that.
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 05:36:08 PM
I have never been as ashamed of this country as I am right now.

more than on election night?

trump has been a climate denier forever....he said he was going to do this
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Post by: Rome on June 01, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
Do you have any concept of how bad this is?   The fate of the planet is hanging in the balance.  Or should I say the fate of our species on the planet because no matter how badly we farg it up, it will eventually recover. 

This is a total disaster. 
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
The fate of the planet is hanging in the balance.

lol settle down chicken little

its actually worse for america on the world stage on the foreign policy front than it is for the worlds climate

the executive he signed a couple of months ago letting coal plants pollute streams rivers and the air was worse for the environment
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Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 07:26:44 PM
its bad optics but they cant pull out until 2020...the day after the election in fact

one would hope that that day will be celebratory
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Post by: Diomedes on June 01, 2017, 08:14:53 PM
Trump be like, I was elected to represent Pittsburgh not Paris.

Pittsburgh be like,  no thanks weirdo, we'll honor the Paris goals.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/01/pittsburgh-fires-back-trump-paris-agreement




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Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 09:42:38 PM
great piece that explains the real reasons deserting paris is so damaging

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/05/trump-will-regret-leaving-paris-climate-deal-0
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 10:05:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBR-6-HWAAEqHnf.jpg)
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Post by: Rome on June 28, 2017, 12:27:47 PM
Rick Perry called for an intellectual discussion on the subject of climate change while shortly thereafter disclosing to everyone that he didn't know his boss's views on the subject. 

This is actually happening.  In 2017. 

I just... ugh. 
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
Rick Perry is an ass clown.

And his replacement, Greg Abbott, is even worse.
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 12, 2017, 09:12:17 AM
“This is a big change. Maps will need to be redrawn.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/09/climate/antarctica-rift-update.html?_r=0
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Post by: Tomahawk on July 12, 2017, 09:47:38 AM
Who the farg looks at maps of Antarctica? Penguins need to get some gps
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 12, 2017, 09:54:40 AM
Who the farg looks at maps of Antarctica?

the people who are tracking when we can take florida off our map
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 12, 2017, 10:28:30 AM
“This is a big change. Maps will need to be redrawn.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/09/climate/antarctica-rift-update.html?_r=0

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There is no scientific consensus over whether global warming is to blame.

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Some climate scientists believe the warming in the region was at least in part a consequence of human-caused climate change, while others have disputed that, seeing a large role for natural variability — and noting that icebergs have been breaking away from ice shelves for many millions of years.

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“While it might not be caused by global warming, it’s at least a natural laboratory to study how breakups will occur at other ice shelves to improve the theoretical basis for our projections of future sea level rise,” said Thomas P. Wagner, who leads NASA’s efforts to study the polar regions.


The time-lapse image below shows the rift gradually widening from late 2014 to January of this year.

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Post by: ice grillin you on July 12, 2017, 10:33:03 AM
you are more obsessed with climate change than a trump supporter is with hillary
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 12, 2017, 01:05:28 PM
That's where you're totally off the mark. I DON'T care about climate change. Hard to be obsessed with something you don't believe in. That's like me saying you're obsessed with Jesus.
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Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 12:14:58 AM
science is true whether you believe in it or not, troll
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 13, 2017, 06:22:23 AM
science is true whether you believe in it or not, troll

There is no actual 'science'. There's an assumption the slight warming change is due to man. But there's zero science to prove it. The actual amount of C02 produced by man compared to the natural C02 in the atmosphere is laughable

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Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore has said there "is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth's atmosphere over the past 100 years. The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming,” Moore said.

“When modern life evolved over 500 million years ago, CO2 was more than 10 times higher than today, yet life flourished at this time,” he added. “Then an Ice Age occurred 450 million years ago when CO2 was 10 times higher than today.”
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Post by: Sgt PSN on July 13, 2017, 07:16:20 AM
My position on global warming, climate change, going green, or whatever the farg you want to call it remains pretty much the same as it's always been....

The Earth's climate changes. History tells us this and we'd be foolish to think that the environment has decided to permanently settle on a climate that is human friendly.  But that doesn't mean we should wreck the place. Regardless of what our actual impact on the environment is, if we can find cleaner, safer, and more efficient ways of producing energy and eliminating waste, then we should do it. 
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Post by: Rome on July 13, 2017, 07:32:02 AM
Lol at humans not savaging the environment.   Good God. 
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Post by: Diomedes on July 13, 2017, 07:46:14 AM
Science is a liberal conspiracy.
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 13, 2017, 07:48:14 AM
My position on global warming, climate change, going green, or whatever the farg you want to call it remains pretty much the same as it's always been....

The Earth's climate changes. History tells us this and we'd be foolish to think that the environment has decided to permanently settle on a climate that is human friendly.  But that doesn't mean we should wreck the place. Regardless of what our actual impact on the environment is, if we can find cleaner, safer, and more efficient ways of producing energy and eliminating waste, then we should do it.

Also my position. The alarmist bullshtein is what gets me.

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Experts suggested grandiose schemes to alleviate the problems, including “melting the arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers,” Newsweek reported. It added, “The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.” Sound familiar — except that the “climate change” alarmists were warning against global cooling?

For decades, climate alarmists have been warning that, without a United Nations-run global “climate” regime to control human activity, alleged man-made “climate change” will bring the wrath of “Mother Earth” down upon humanity.

They did it again from November 30 to December 11, 2015 at the Paris Summit on Climate Change, and warned, yet again, that it is the “last chance” to save humanity from itself. But climate alarmists have a long history of forecasting disaster — and of being wrong about everything.

In fact, stretching back decades, virtually every alarmist prediction that was testable has been proven embarrassingly wrong. What follows is just a tiny sampling of those discredited claims.

A new ice age and worldwide starvation: In the 1960s and ’70s, top mainstream media outlets, such as Newsweek above, hyped the imminent global-cooling apocalypse. Even as late as the early 1980s, prominent voices still warned of potential doomsday scenarios owing to man-made cooling, ranging from mass starvation caused by cooling-induced crop failures to another “Ice Age” that would kill most of mankind.

Among the top global-cooling theorists were Obama’s current “science czar” John Holdren and Paul Ehrlich, the author of Population Bomb, which predicted mass starvation worldwide. In the 1971 textbook Global Ecology, the duo warned that overpopulation and pollution would produce a new ice age, claiming that human activities are “said to be responsible for the present world cooling trend.” The pair fingered “jet exhausts” and “man-made changes in the reflectivity of the earth’s surface through urbanization, deforestation, and the enlargement of deserts” as potential triggers for his new ice age. They worried that the man-made cooling might produce an “outward slumping in the Antarctic ice cap” and “generate a tidal wave of proportions unprecedented in recorded history.”

Holdren predicted that a billion people would die in “carbon-dioxide induced famines” as part of a new “Ice Age” by the year 2020.

Ehrlich, a professor at Stanford University, similarly claimed in a 1971 speech at the British Institute for Biology, “By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people.” He added, “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 and give ten to one that the life of the average Briton would be of distinctly lower quality than it is today.”

To stave off the allegedly impending ecological disasters, the two alarmists demanded the implementation of “solutions.” In the book Ecoscience, the duo pushed a “planetary regime” to control resources, as well as forced abortions and sterilization to stop overpopulation, including drugging water and food supplies with sterilizing agents.

Countless other scientists have offered similar cooling warnings. Fortunately, the alarmists were dead wrong, and none of their “solutions” was implemented. Not only did “billions” of people not die from cooling-linked crop failures, but the globe appears to have warmed slightly since then, probably naturally, and agricultural productivity is higher than it ever has been. Now, though, the boogeyman is anthropogenic global warming, or AGW.

Global warming — temperature predictions: Perhaps nowhere has the stunning failure of climate predictions been better illustrated than in the “climate models” used by the UN. The UN climate bureaucracy, known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), produces periodic reports on “climate science” — often dubbed the “Bible” of climatology. In its latest iteration, the Fifth Assessment Report (AR5), the UN featured 73 computer models and their predictions. All of them “predicted” varying degrees of increased warming as atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) increased.

The problem is that every single model was wrong — by a lot. Not only did temperatures not rise by as much as the models predicted, they have failed to rise at all since around 1996, according to data collected by five official temperature data­sets. Based just on the laws of probability, a monkey rolling the dice would have done far better at predicting future temperatures than the UN’s models. That suggests deliberate fraud is likely at work.

Dr. John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama Huntsville (UAH), analyzed all 73 UN computer models. “I compared the models with observations in the key area — the tropics — where the climate models showed a real impact of greenhouse gases,” Christy told CNSNews. “I wanted to compare the real world temperatures with the models in a place where the impact would be very clear.”

Using datasets of temperatures from NASA, the U.K. Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research at the University of East Anglia, NOAA, satellites measuring atmospheric and deep oceanic temperatures, and a remote sensor system in California, he found, “All show a lack of warming over the past 17 years.” In other words, global warming has been on “pause” for almost two decades — a fact that has been acknowledged even by many of the most zealous UN climate alarmists. “All 73 models’ predictions were on average three to four times what occurred in the real world.”

No explanation for what happened to the warming — such as “the oceans ate my global warming” — has withstood scrutiny.

Almost laughably, in its latest report, the UN IPCC increased its alleged “confidence” in its theory, an action experts such as Christy could not rationalize. “I am baffled that the confidence increases when the performance of your models is conclusively failing,” he said. “I cannot understand that methodology.... It’s a very embarrassing result for the climate models used in the IPCC report.” “When 73 out of 73 [climate models] miss the point and predict temperatures that are significantly above the real world, they cannot be used as scientific tools, and definitely not for public policy decision-making,” he added.

Other warming predictions have also fallen flat. For instance, for almost two decades now, climate alarmists have been claiming that snow would soon become a thing of the past.

The end of snow: The IPCC has also hyped snowless winters. In its 2001 report, it claimed “milder winter temperatures will decrease heavy snowstorms.” Again, though, the climate refused to cooperate. The latest data from Rutgers’ Global Snow Lab showed an all-time new record high in autumn snow cover across the northern hemisphere in 2014, when more than 22 million square kilometers were covered.

And according to data from the National Operational Hydrologic Remote Sensing Center cited by meteorologist Mike Mogil, “U.S. snow cover on the morning of Dec. 1, 2015 is the highest on record for this day of the year.” In all, 38.7 percent of the United States was covered in snow, surpassing the previous record — 36.5 percent — set in 2006. Worldwide, similar trends have been observed. Global Snow Lab data also shows Eurasian autumn snow cover has grown by 50 percent since records began in 1979.

After their predictions were proven wrong, alarmists claimed global warming was actually to blame for the record cold and snow across America and beyond. Seriously. Among the “experts” making that argument was former cooling zealot Holdren, Obama’s science czar: “A growing body of evidence suggests that the kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern we can expect to see with increasing frequency, as global warming continues.”

When asked for the “growing body of evidence” behind his assertions, Holdren’s office refused to provide it, claiming the ramblings were just his “opinion” and therefore not subject to transparency and accuracy laws. Still, Holdren’s claim directly contradicts the IPCC, which in 2001 predicted “warmer winters and fewer cold spells.”

The melting ice caps: Another area where the warmists’ predictions have proven incorrect concerns the amount of ice at the Earth’s poles. They predicted a complete melting of the Arctic ice cap in summers that should have already happened, and even claimed that Antarctic ice was melting rapidly.

As far as the Antarctic is concerned, in 2007, the UN IPCC claimed the ice sheets of Antarctica “are very likely shrinking,” with Antarctica “contributing 0.2 ± 0.35 mm yr - 1 to sea level rise over the period 1993 to 2003.” The UN also claimed there was “evidence” of “accelerated loss through 2005.” In 2013, the UN doubled down on its false claim, claiming even greater sea-level rises attributed to the melting in Antarctica: “The contribution of … Antarctic ice sheets has increased since the early 1990s, partly from increased outflow induced by warming of the immediately adjacent ocean.” It also claimed Antarctica’s “contribution to sea level rise likely increased from 0.08 [ - 0.10 to 0.27] mm yr - 1 for 1992 - 2001 to .40 [0.20 to 0.61] mm yr - 1 for 2002 - 2011.” The reality was exactly the opposite.

In a statement released in October, NASA dropped the equivalent of a nuclear bomb on the UN’s climate-alarmism machine, noting that ice across Antarctica has been growing rapidly for decades.

NASA said only that its new study on Antarctic ice “challenges” the conclusions of the IPCC. In fact, the UN could not have been more wrong. Rather than melting ice in the southern hemisphere contributing to sea-level rise, as claimed by the UN, ice in Antarctica is expanding, and the growing ice is responsible for reducing sea levels by about 0.23 millimeters annually. According to the NASA study, published in the Journal of Glaciology, satellite data shows the Antarctic ice sheet featured a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001 — more than a trillion tons of ice in less than a decade. Between 2003 and 2008, Antarctica gained some 82 billion tons of ice annually.

The UN’s inaccurate Antarctic claims were illustrated most comically, perhaps, when a ship full of alarmists seeking to study “global warming” was trapped in record Antarctic sea ice in the summer of 2013 and had to be rescued by ships burning massive amounts of fossil fuels.

In the northern hemisphere, alarmists have fared no better. In 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore, a man who has made a fortune pushing warmist ideology, publicly warned that the North Pole would be “ice-free” in the summer by around 2013 due to AGW. “The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,” Gore said in 2007. “It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.” Speaking to an audience in Germany six years ago, Gore alleged that “the entire North Polarized [sic] cap will disappear in five years.” “Five years,” Gore emphasized, is “the period of time during which it is now expected to disappear.”

Contrary to Gore’s predictions, satellite data showed that Arctic ice volume in summer of 2013 had actually expanded more than 50 percent over 2012 levels. In fact, during October 2013, sea-ice levels grew at the fastest pace since records began in 1979. In 2014, the Arctic ice cap, apparently oblivious to Gore’s hot air, continued its phenomenal rebound, leaving alarmists struggling for explanations.

Data from the taxpayer-funded National Snow and Ice Data Center’s “Multisensor Analyzed Sea Ice Extent” (MASIE) also show Arctic ice steadily growing over the last decade, with a few minor fluctuations in the trend. Despite alarmist claims, polar bear populations are thriving there, too.

Gore, though, was hardly alone. Citing “climate experts,” the tax-funded BBC also ran an article on December 12, 2007, under the headline “Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013.’” That piece, which was still online as of December 2015, highlighted alleged “modeling studies” that supposedly “indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.” Some of the “experts” even claimed it could happen before then, citing calculations performed by “super computers” that the BBC noted have “become a standard part of climate science in recent years.”

Increased storms, drought, and sea-level rise: The ice sheets have not cooperated with warmists, and neither have other weather-related phenomena, such as mass migrations owing to sea-level rise.

On June 30, 1989, the Associated Press ran an article headlined: “UN Official Predicts Disaster, Says Greenhouse Effect Could Wipe Some Nations Off Map.” In the piece, the director of the UN Environment Programme’s (UNEP) New York office was quoted as claiming that “entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000.” He also predicted “coastal flooding and crop failures” that “would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos.” Of course, 2000 came and went, and none of those things actually happened. But that didn’t stop the warnings.

In 2005, the UNEP warned that imminent sea-level rises, increased hurricanes, and desertification caused by AGW would lead to massive population disruptions. In a handy map, the organization highlighted areas that were supposed to be producing the most “climate refugees.” Especially at risk were regions such as the Caribbean and low-lying Pacific islands, along with coastal areas. The 2005 UNEP predictions claimed that, by 2010, some 50 million “climate refugees” would be fleeing those areas. However, not only did the areas in question fail to produce a single “climate refugee,” by 2010, population levels for those regions were still soaring. In many cases, the areas that were supposed to be producing waves of “climate refugees” and becoming uninhabitable turned out to be some of the fastest-growing places on Earth.

Even the low-lying Pacific islands scare appears to have flopped. Supposedly on the “front lines” of AGW-caused sea-level rise, the Pacific atoll island nations don’t face imminent submersion and have experienced the opposite of what was predicted. Consider a paper published in March of 2015 in the journal Geology. According to the study, the Funafuti Atoll has experienced among “the highest rates of sea-level rise” in the world over the past six decades. Yet, rather than sinking under the waves, the islands are growing. “No islands have been lost, the majority have enlarged, and there has been a 7.3% increase in net island area over the past century,” the paper says.

Then there are the claims about drought. Some UN alarmists have even predicted that Americans would become “climate refugees,” using imagery that may be familiar to those who suffered through the infamous (and natural) “Dust Bowl” drought of the 1930s. Prominent Princeton professor and lead UN IPCC author Michael Oppenheimer, for instance, made some dramatic predictions in 1990. By 1995, he said, the “greenhouse effect” would be “desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots.” By 1996, he added, the Platte River of Nebraska “would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers.” The situation would get so bad that “Mexican police will round up illegal American migrants surging into Mexico seeking work as field hands.”

When confronted on his predictions, Oppenheimer, who also served as Gore’s advisor, refused to apologize. “On the whole I would stand by these predictions — not predictions, sorry, scenarios — as having at least in a general way actually come true,” he claimed. “There’s been extensive drought, devastating drought, in significant parts of the world. The fraction of the world that’s in drought has increased over that period.”

Unfortunately for Oppenheimer, even his fellow alarmists debunked that claim in a 2012 study for Nature, pointing out that there has been “little change in global drought over the past 60 years.”

Countless other claims of AGW doom affecting humans have also been debunked. Wildfires produced by AGW, for instance, were supposed to be raging around the world. Yet, as Forbes magazine pointed out recently, the number of wildfires has plummeted 15 percent since 1950, and according the National Academy of Sciences, that trend is likely to continue for decades. On hurricanes and tornadoes, which alarmists assured were going to get more extreme and more frequent, it probably would have been hard for “experts” to be more wrong. “When the 2014 hurricane season starts it will have been 3,142 days since the last Category 3+ storm made landfall in the U.S., shattering the record for the longest stretch between U.S. intense hurricanes since 1900,” noted professor of environmental studies Roger Pielke, Jr. at the University of Colorado. On January 8, 2015, meanwhile, the Weather Channel reported: “In the last three years, there have never been fewer tornadoes in the United States since record-keeping began in 1950.”

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This article only features a tiny sampling of the outlandishly inaccurate predictions made by climate alarmists over the decades. In fact, it is difficult to find any falsifiable alarmist predictions that have come to pass. Generally speaking, the opposite of what was predicted has been observed. In short, there is absolutely no reason to believe today’s alarmist claims of AGW, and even if a handful were to eventually prove correct, destroying the economy under the guise of saving the climate would make adapting to such changes infinitely more difficult.
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Post by: Diomedes on July 13, 2017, 07:56:37 AM
I can find Breitbart myself if I want to read drivel like this.   Do you get a free MAGA hat for spreading the denier propaganda?
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Post by: smeags on July 13, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
again, lets start with clean water to drink and clear air to breathe.

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Post by: TAFKASD on July 13, 2017, 08:02:22 AM
I can find Breitbart myself if I want to read drivel like this.   Do you get a free MAGA hat for spreading the denier propaganda?

Just some free weed killer
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Post by: smeags on July 13, 2017, 08:21:27 AM
hopefully roundup.
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Post by: Tomahawk on July 13, 2017, 08:49:41 AM
They should think of a different name than weed killer; it offends my pot-centric sensibilities.
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Post by: smeags on July 13, 2017, 09:19:10 AM
that weed killer goes by, jeff sessions
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Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 10:04:38 AM
my position on facts is that
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on July 13, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
I'm 52 so I really can't do much to save the environment.  I do what I can in my small circle.  What I don't do is spread bullshtein lies like global climate change is a hoax.  It's not.  Suggesting it is amounts to the ultimate fake news.  We are quickly and irretrievably destroying the environment.   

I'll be dead before the shtein hits the fan, but your daughter and mine will deal with the repercussions of our actions, SD.   

I love you like a gay brother but you need to get your motherfarging head out of your ass on this issue.
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 13, 2017, 10:59:57 AM
no chance he isnt just a HOF troll on all this....hes an obsessed troll but a troll nonetheless...i wouldnt get too upset about it

i mean theres actual science on it and hes a smart guy
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Post by: Tomahawk on July 13, 2017, 11:14:23 AM
I hope you're wrong, Rome, and you live long enough to witness the end of the world.

It's on my bucket list anyway
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Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 11:19:21 AM
lets be real if florida is really going to be swallowed in the sea then global warming is good thing
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 13, 2017, 11:32:27 AM
lets be real if florida is really going to be swallowed in the sea then global warming is good thing

I plan on moving there when I retire.
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Post by: smeags on July 13, 2017, 11:53:28 AM
at this rate Jacksonville may be the southern most point in florida when you move.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 12:06:44 PM
lets be real if florida is really going to be swallowed in the sea then global warming is good thing

I plan on moving there when I retire.

perfect
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Post by: Geowhizzer on July 13, 2017, 12:20:08 PM
lets be real if florida is really going to be swallowed in the sea then global warming is good thing

I plan on moving there when I retire.

I plan on moving out.
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Post by: phattymatty on July 13, 2017, 12:39:48 PM
because i have not seen the science or don't understand it, it does not exist.
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Post by: Rome on July 13, 2017, 01:56:41 PM
 🍊 👶 🤚 🤚
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 14, 2017, 03:05:22 PM
lets be real if florida is really going to be swallowed in the sea then global warming is good thing

I plan on moving there when I retire.

you sure about that?

https://twitter.com/SeanWFTS/status/885851256182452229
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Post by: Diomedes on July 14, 2017, 03:47:19 PM
no great loss, that house
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 20, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
(http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/al-gore-vs-al-gore-750.jpg)
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Post by: Diomedes on July 20, 2017, 06:40:55 PM
Sometimes I sympathize with your baby mama.
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Post by: ice grillin you on July 20, 2017, 07:19:09 PM
lol a huge chunk of a glacier cane loose last week and it was huge news....pretty sure no glaciers have completely melted

one of the least "cute" and most moronic memes I've seen in a while
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Post by: Tomahawk on July 21, 2017, 01:32:23 AM
It's weird Al Gore was born looking like he just graduated high school
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Post by: smeags on July 21, 2017, 07:44:54 AM
wow, he actually turned into a man-bear-pig.
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Post by: Sgt PSN on July 21, 2017, 11:28:56 AM
It's weird Al Gore was born looking like he just graduated high school

HA! 
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Post by: TAFKASD on July 22, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
Oh my god, how didn't I hear about this sooner

https://youtu.be/huX1bmfdkyA

#Manbearpig
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2017, 11:06:39 PM
Our fearless leader is rescinding an Obama order that flood prone infrastructure be built with sea level rises in mind
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Post by: Diomedes on August 16, 2017, 06:43:31 AM
SD approves.  Why should people be required to consider science.  Just job killing regulation, designed only to enrich the jewish global elites.  Something something.
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Post by: Sgt PSN on August 16, 2017, 10:34:33 AM
Also, when the floods come we'll know who all the witches are.
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Post by: TAFKASD on August 16, 2017, 10:43:45 AM
SD approves. 

I'll never agree with anything that piece of shtein does.
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Post by: General_Failure on August 01, 2018, 06:37:16 PM
Happy Overshoot Day, SD.
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Post by: Tomahawk on November 26, 2018, 12:18:47 PM
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/23/668555773/climate-change-is-already-hurting-u-s-communities-federal-report-says

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/federal-climate-report-us-energy-transportation-sectors-not-prepared-for/542928/

How are federal reports like this being released under Trump's watch? The good news is, according to the second link, we only have about 10 years to prevent the most impactful catastrophes wrought by climate change. I feel like that gives me a good chance to live long enough to see the Apocalypse
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Post by: Munson on January 29, 2019, 10:19:39 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/gone-in-a-generation/


Great piece of reporting in a cool format, but also farging dark and depressing. Positive feedback loops abound in the forest section
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Post by: Geowhizzer on February 05, 2019, 08:34:16 PM
A hole opens up under Antarctic glacier — big enough to fit two-thirds of Manhattan (https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/hole-opens-under-antarctic-glacier-big-enough-fit-two-thirds-ncna965696)
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Post by: General_Failure on February 19, 2019, 11:04:23 AM
https://twitter.com/Tim_Beshara/status/1097633810768785408

https://twitter.com/Tim_Beshara/status/1097635128396853248
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Post by: Eagaholic on February 19, 2019, 11:07:38 AM
A hole opens up under Antarctic glacier — big enough to fit two-thirds of Manhattan (https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/hole-opens-under-antarctic-glacier-big-enough-fit-two-thirds-ncna965696)
Now that Amazon's not going to be there, I say yes.
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Post by: General_Failure on May 14, 2019, 06:52:48 PM
https://twitter.com/tsrandall/status/1128112891935305728
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2019, 09:51:55 PM
Lies!

It’s cold in the NE so lol global warming
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Post by: ice grillin you on June 26, 2019, 08:30:42 AM
this is scary

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/06/25/734534821/no-drips-no-drops-a-city-of-10-million-is-running-out-of-water
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Post by: Diomedes on June 26, 2019, 11:48:37 AM
yeah it was scary when Ghengis Khan's army appeared on the horizon, too

farg them and everyone else, we all have it comin to us
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Post by: Rome on June 26, 2019, 01:46:15 PM
The planet has a fever and we’re the virus that’s causing it. 

Antibodies are a motherfarger, though. 
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Post by: Munson on August 21, 2019, 11:52:49 AM
https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/1161268915303043077?

Right wing reactionaries are going to doom the entire human population, or at a minimum its way of life.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 21, 2019, 12:40:23 PM
I am actually surprised that there haven't been rollbacks in the illegal logging (Lacey Act) since Cheeto Dick has taken over.
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Post by: General_Failure on August 21, 2019, 02:14:50 PM
The Amazon's been on fire for three weeks now.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 21, 2019, 05:34:54 PM
Well then Cheeto Dick needs to educate Brazilian Hitler on the finer points of raking the ground to prevent fires
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Post by: General_Failure on August 23, 2019, 12:15:08 AM
https://twitter.com/sunrisemvmt/status/1164180958666469376
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Post by: Rome on August 28, 2019, 12:23:18 PM
As of last night we were in line to possibly receive tropical storm winds and some rain. 

As of 11:00 AM we’re directly in line for a Cat 3 with catastrophic damage and massive storm surge.  We’re literally 1,000 feet from the high water line of the Atlantic Ocean, so we’re pretty much farged no matter which way this thing hits if it does.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

PS: The good news is our dear leader is taking the opportunity to belittle and insult an American mayor in an island that was previously devastated on his watch.
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Post by: General_Failure on August 28, 2019, 12:54:11 PM
Good luck, don't fake having a tree ruin your house again.
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Post by: MDS on August 28, 2019, 01:30:52 PM
if there ever was a time

(https://media.giphy.com/media/zNyBPu5hEFpu/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Rome on August 28, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
Can’t find enough illegals to do the cutting. 

Thanks, Trump!
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Post by: General_Failure on August 28, 2019, 03:25:21 PM
Two things you can't find right now in front of Home Depot; Guys looking for work, and sod.
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Post by: Rome on August 28, 2019, 06:45:58 PM
The forecast tracks are spaghetti right now. 

Meanwhile gas is up 15 cents overnight, bottled water is sold out everywhere (as are generators & most other hurricane supplies). 

Nothing says remain calm quite like a full blown panic. 
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2019, 06:57:31 PM
Cheeto Dick gonna nuke it?
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Post by: Munson on August 28, 2019, 07:22:22 PM
Not until it gets over Miami so he can lock up Florida
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Post by: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2019, 08:21:07 PM
Local Target is completely out of water.

Naples is right at the edge of the cone.  Dorian would have to basically take a hard left to get here.  We'll probably get some wind and rain and localized flooding.

Batten down the hatches, Rome and GF.  Looks like a rough ride for you coming up.
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Post by: General_Failure on August 28, 2019, 08:32:11 PM
They're saying some flooding here, but also that it'll be back down to Category 2 when it gets here.
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Post by: General_Failure on August 28, 2019, 11:22:43 PM
My sister's down by Orlando, it looks like she'll be getting it worse than we will up here.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2019, 01:56:38 AM
Is it going to hit Cheeto Dick’s Mar A Lago? I hope so.

Good luck to your and your sis, GF
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Post by: Rome on August 30, 2019, 11:11:32 AM
Cat 4 headed straight for Mar-a-Lago now

Suck my meatcicle, bitch.  🖕🏻
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Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
The last update makes it look like it's going to drive up I-95.

(https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT05/refresh/AL052019_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind+png/145103_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind.png)
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Post by: Rome on August 30, 2019, 08:36:43 PM
Cat 4 a day earlier than expected.  This is not good at all. 

The Euro model is tilting towards the storm riding the coast north.  Fifty miles this way and bye bye Rome. 
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Post by: General_Failure on August 30, 2019, 09:30:49 PM
The people up here are going nuts stocking up on water and gas cans.  I stocked up on tortilla chips and got the generator prepped.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2019, 10:01:18 PM
The European models are beginning to show Dorian staying out at sea.

Will still be bad for the east coast, but not as bad as a landfall.

For my side, my students will be disappointed when we still have school on Tuesday.
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Post by: Rome on August 31, 2019, 05:47:52 AM
Still no consensus but the GFS & Euro models are leaning toward it staying off the coast.  We’re getting pounded no matter what but if the eyewall stays out to sea, we might escape a total wipeout. 

The county just south declared mandatory evacuation last night.  I have a feeling we’ll be next very shortly. 
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Post by: ice grillin you on August 31, 2019, 06:58:43 AM
CATASTROPHIC!!!
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Post by: Diomedes on August 31, 2019, 07:59:52 AM
The sky is literally falling.
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Post by: Rome on September 01, 2019, 11:39:45 AM
Cat 5 @ 180 MPH as of 11:00 AM.   It’s at the Bahamas now and it won’t reach us until Wednesday as a Cat 3.   It better turn east because if not there will be hundreds of billions in damage along this coast.   Thoughts and prayers aren’t enough.  We’re out of here on Tuesday.  Hope we have a house left when we get back. 
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2019, 12:07:27 PM
Jeez...this is a monster.

Hope it cuts that hard right up the coast. Best of luck dude.
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Post by: Diomedes on September 01, 2019, 12:37:32 PM
When did :CF decide that all weather is climate change?
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Post by: General_Failure on September 01, 2019, 01:17:23 PM
Tropical depressions not worthy of a new thread thread.

I hope it wipes this city off the map.
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Post by: Rome on September 01, 2019, 01:40:33 PM
When did :CF decide that all weather is climate change?

Posting in the exact correct thread really isn’t a high priority for me right now.

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Post by: Diomedes on September 01, 2019, 01:54:16 PM
Once upon a time, we kept things in good order around here.

Thanks Obama
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Post by: Geowhizzer on September 01, 2019, 02:05:37 PM
I thought you wanted it all in one place... ???
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Post by: Munson on September 01, 2019, 02:26:32 PM
Super intense hurricanes probably belong in this thread at this point. We know what's causing them.


The bahamas are going to be farging wrecked.
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Post by: Rome on September 01, 2019, 05:39:48 PM
I don’t know who is in charge of hiring the social misfits on The Weather Channel, but if I hear one more of those iceholes acting giddy over this...
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Post by: General_Failure on September 01, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
Super intense hurricanes probably belong in this thread at this point. We know what's causing them.


Sodomy.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2019, 12:21:09 PM
The county that I live in (Collier - Naples) closed schools tomorrow.

The county that I work in (Lee - Fort Myers) just announced they will be open tomorrow.

Collier extends about 30 or so miles further east.  Although just about nobody lives there (mainly the Big Cypress National Preserve), it may just be enough to force their hands on the closure.

Right now it's sunny and hot.  Just like most every day.
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Post by: General_Failure on September 02, 2019, 12:31:37 PM
Waterfront parts of Jacksonville got evacuated today. I'm 40 miles from those, so we're good here. I still need to pick up the last few things in my yard that'll blow away tomorrow.
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Post by: Rome on September 02, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
We’re on mandatory evac right now but we’re staying till tomorrow.  We’ll be in Orlando tomorrow and Wednesday until this farger passes.  It should be parallel to Daytona at around 8:00AM and then start zooming up the coast.  All tracks are now staying off the coast to varying degrees and it will likely be a Cat 3 when it rolls past.  We’re still getting smacked but we’ll probably avoid a total mess. 

We’re hopeful of that anyway but you never know.
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Post by: Munson on September 02, 2019, 01:16:20 PM
The county that I live in (Collier - Naples) closed schools tomorrow.

The county that I work in (Lee - Fort Myers) just announced they will be open tomorrow.

Collier extends about 30 or so miles further east.  Although just about nobody lives there (mainly the Big Cypress National Preserve), it may just be enough to force their hands on the closure.

Right now it's sunny and hot.  Just like most every day.

We drove 41 through Big Cypress on our road trip last year, and did that little side road off of it. That was a pretty cool drive, saw a ton of gators.

Everglades City was a real hellhole though lol. Didn't feel like it ever recovered from whatever hurricane last took it out. Of course we were there in early-mid August, so definitely the off season for them.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2019, 02:20:07 PM
The county that I live in (Collier - Naples) closed schools tomorrow.

The county that I work in (Lee - Fort Myers) just announced they will be open tomorrow.

Collier extends about 30 or so miles further east.  Although just about nobody lives there (mainly the Big Cypress National Preserve), it may just be enough to force their hands on the closure.

Right now it's sunny and hot.  Just like most every day.

We drove 41 through Big Cypress on our road trip last year, and did that little side road off of it. That was a pretty cool drive, saw a ton of gators.

Everglades City was a real hellhole though lol. Didn't feel like it ever recovered from whatever hurricane last took it out. Of course we were there in early-mid August, so definitely the off season for them.

Everglades City is a small "city" (about 400, and has never topped 1,000) to start with, and they were absolutely devastated by Irma in 2017.  Mainly crabbers and tourism due to their proximity to the west entrance of the Everglades and the Ten Thousand Islands for fishing.

Funny thing is that until the 1960s, it was the seat of government for the county.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on September 02, 2019, 04:16:49 PM
how many of these things need to combine with the MAGA geezers for you people to leave that hellhole state
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Post by: Rome on September 02, 2019, 04:23:18 PM
It’s never easy to exit a speeding train, kiddo.  We have a home, jobs and a kid in college here.  That’s why I’m still here. 
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Post by: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2019, 04:29:33 PM
how many of these things need to combine with the MAGA geezers for you people to leave that hellhole state

You paying?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2019, 04:30:33 PM
It’s never easy to exit a speeding train, kiddo.  We have a home, jobs and a kid in college here.  That’s why I’m still here.

Other than my kids are in high and middle school, bingo.

I tell my wife if we ever move, I am not stopping until I re-cross the Mason-Dixon line.
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Post by: MDS on September 02, 2019, 04:34:57 PM
ive got a (very small) spare bedroom

leggo
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Post by: General_Failure on September 02, 2019, 06:03:40 PM
Living down here is stupid cheap. If it wasn't, nobody would live here.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2019, 06:06:40 PM
Same here.

I do not miss the cost of living back home
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Post by: Diomedes on September 02, 2019, 06:07:41 PM
You're welcome.  I mean, you do know that we're subsidizing your sorry asses, right?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2019, 06:46:16 PM
Sadly, other than no income tax, I don't think the cost of living is much different in Naples.

I have a 3/2 ranch that needs a new roof, and it was just valued at $300K.  And I'm in the woods, nowhere near the beach.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on September 02, 2019, 06:55:12 PM
The same house I’m in here at $350K would be well over a million in Margate. 

That’s really the only difference.  A gallon of milk costs the same here as it does in Jersey.  There’s no state taxes here and property taxes here are minuscule compared to there, though. 
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on September 02, 2019, 07:50:42 PM
You can get a 3 bedroom 2 bath house here for under $200k.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: Rome on September 02, 2019, 08:19:44 PM
Where are you, GF?
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: General_Failure on September 02, 2019, 08:26:28 PM
Westside of Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Man made global warming is real.
Post by: MDS on September 02, 2019, 10:04:34 PM
stop talking about the terrible places you all live at
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Post by: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
stop talking about the terrible places you all live at

More wrinkly old republicans than you can shake a stick at!
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Post by: General_Failure on September 03, 2019, 01:19:59 AM
We got both kinds of Republicans here. Cop flag stickers on their Chargers and stoners with cop flag stickers on their Chargers.
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Post by: Rome on September 03, 2019, 07:48:31 AM
Still stationary but weakening considerably.  Latest tracks keep this bitch offshore and hurricane winds out to sea.  It rained on and off all night and we’ve had squalls that had the house shaking but overall it’s not too bad yet.  Probably 40-50 MPH gusts I’d say?

We’re now looking at a tropical storm hit.  Just amazing. 
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Post by: Rome on September 03, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
We lost power already at around 3:00.   We out.  farg that no power bullshtein.  I’m sitting in an Irish Pub in Orlando right now and I’m not leaving until Thursday.   Lol.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on September 03, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
Not a drop of rain, and barely a breeze to this point.
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Post by: Rome on September 04, 2019, 07:34:46 AM
Power was restored at 7:00 this morning.  The storm is about 100 miles offshore.  Very little reported damage.  Thanks to moms nature.   We’re heading back later this afternoon. 
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Post by: General_Failure on September 04, 2019, 09:10:34 AM
I'm glad it's not raining much here because I totally forgot to drain my pool.
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Post by: Geowhizzer on September 06, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
The town of High Rock on Grand Bahama was utterly destroyed by Dorian. (https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/americas/bahamas-high-rock-devastation/index.html)
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Post by: Diomedes on December 31, 2019, 06:08:09 AM
Pretty much an apocalypse going on in Australia right now...preview of the near future for other places (like California). 

Gonna need radical policy changes worldwide, not sure humans have the time left to make them.
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Post by: TAFKASD on December 31, 2019, 07:17:47 AM
Oh well
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Post by: Munson on December 31, 2019, 11:17:53 AM
https://twitter.com/amythunig/status/1211814896817426432
https://twitter.com/ketanj0/status/1211930759189159936
https://twitter.com/seanpowerau/status/1211829082905665536


3rd picture looks like Pierce Brosnan and Linda Hamilton are about to watch grandma burn herself in acid water
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2019, 12:22:08 PM
holy shtein
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Post by: Diomedes on December 31, 2019, 03:01:45 PM
This is our future.  Well, plus rampant disease.  Your AR-15 won't save you.
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Post by: General_Failure on December 31, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
I don't have a lot of sympathy for Australia. They're fifteen years ahead of where the US is in terms of steady decline into fascism, jingoism, and corporate greed. They've had concentration camps for years, went through a decade-long drought, killed the Great Barrier Reef for a little profit, and now the country is on fire and they're still electing idiots who make it worse. You can't even say it wasn't what the people wanted because they have mandatory voting.
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Post by: Tomahawk on December 31, 2019, 06:52:45 PM
I'm not sure that Australia has even adopted the Tier IV emission standards yet.
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Post by: General_Failure on January 02, 2020, 02:04:58 PM
Queensland government was warned about risks of Chinese company's water extraction (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/02/queensland-government-was-warned-about-risks-of-chinese-companys-water-extraction)

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Queensland government experts raised repeated warnings about the long-term sustainability of groundwater extraction at a southern Queensland property which has since been approved to operate as a commercial water mine.

The approval for the 96m litre a year bottled water extraction operation at Cherrabah – in a severely drought-hit area where locals are on water rations and communities at imminent risk of running dry – has raised significant questions about the oversight and regulation of critical water resources in Queensland.

Documents obtained by Guardian Australia show how longstanding concerns about groundwater security at Cherrabah were overridden by changes to Queensland law enacted by Campbell Newman’s government in 2013.

Under the changes, the Chinese-owned company Joyful View Garden Real Estate Development Resort Pty Ltd was automatically granted a 94-year extraction permit at Cherrabah when a short-term allocation expired in 2017.
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Post by: TAFKASD on January 11, 2020, 10:45:02 PM
Middle January, I took my dog to the park in shorts and a t shirt. Global warming is good.
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Post by: General_Failure on February 24, 2020, 02:25:57 PM
https://twitter.com/etbrooking/status/1231826098125725697
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Post by: Munson on September 11, 2020, 09:29:49 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/dont-come-back-until-him-041949740.html


farg.
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Post by: rjs246 on May 26, 2021, 06:55:50 PM
I've been gone for a while, has SD admitted that he's been trolling everyone about climate change yet? Or is he still pretending to be a science truther while everyone freaks out about it?

Did I ever get an answer to this? I stopped checking in and I need to know if SD ever gave up on this stupid troll bit.
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Post by: MDS on May 26, 2021, 07:09:31 PM
i think hes done that but hes still trolling/quite serious about feminism
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Post by: TAFKASD on May 26, 2021, 07:38:19 PM
I still frequently piss on public toilet seats
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Post by: General_Failure on May 26, 2021, 07:40:02 PM
That's a net positive for any seat that hasn't been cleaned all day.
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Post by: Munson on July 01, 2021, 12:44:34 AM
https://twitter.com/dana1981/status/1410302158348582912
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1410432121710252037
https://twitter.com/emorwee/status/1410324793405083661

Incredibly frustrating considering how many people out there still believe human action doesn't cause climate change and the climate crisis is already here.
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Post by: Munson on July 22, 2021, 03:11:47 PM
https://twitter.com/natashaldaly/status/1418227972901847040
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Post by: phattymatty on July 22, 2021, 04:17:01 PM
speaking of birds, we have some disease going around the DMV area that making birds go crazy.  eyes are getting all crusted shut and they're running in circles and eventually dying. I found two dead ones in my back yard and it's pretty widespread where I live in MD.  scientists do not know what's causing it.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 22, 2021, 04:22:48 PM
speaking of birds, we have some disease going around the DMV area that making birds go crazy.  eyes are getting all crusted shut and they're running in circles and eventually dying. I found two dead ones in my back yard and it's pretty widespread where I live in MD.  scientists do not know what's causing it.

Some more end of the world shtein.

Too bad that isn’t happening to the MAGA dopes as well
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Post by: Munson on August 12, 2021, 07:34:46 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1425916272324263943

Yeah I remember up through like 2013 conservatives would allllways bring up that small cooling period as proof it wasn’t happening…..oops
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Post by: rjs246 on August 13, 2021, 04:39:08 PM
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1027521725/july-hottest-month-in-recorded-human-history

We did it!
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Post by: Rome on August 27, 2021, 06:16:46 AM
Southern Louisiana is facing a possible monster hurricane on Sunday/Monday.  I hope everyone gets out of there now because yikes.  The emergency mgmt folks I know are really concerned for them and for New Orleans if this thing rapidly intensifies. 
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Post by: ice grillin you on August 27, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
https://twitter.com/weatherdak/status/1431272850778845184 21
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2021, 01:50:45 PM
LA has been taking it on the chin the last few years.

Everyone here was on edge until that update came out yesterday.

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Post by: Rome on August 27, 2021, 10:03:06 PM
Get the farg out of there.  140mph is the death zone.  15 foot storm surge lays waste to everything.  I’ve seen it with my own eyes.  Get out.  Now.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
Yeah we would’ve left if it was coming our way. I ain’t fargin around with them big ones like that.

We are down in Surfside beach and while texas beaches up this way are a joke it’s actually half decent right now because we have some rough surf. Normally the gulf is calm
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Post by: Rome on August 29, 2021, 08:46:43 PM
Ida came ashore eight hours ago as a 150 mph beast.  It is STILL a cat 3 120 mph storm.  The devastation is already incredible.  I can’t believe the eye wall is still intact.  Jesus…
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2021, 10:02:35 PM
Bro that mofo was sub 990mb as a Cat 1 before it blew up…that is one helluva storm.

New Orleans is in deep shtein again. They’re without power. And the drainage, water and sewage systems are are the brink of collapse.
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Post by: Munson on August 29, 2021, 10:42:45 PM
Got a friend living there, they evacuated to Beaumont with their toddler.
Hoping their house is still there and not underwater
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 29, 2021, 11:38:56 PM
Ask them how long it too to make it to Beaumont.

I think it’s about six hours of driving from BMT to NO normally.

When Ike hit here in 2008 I drove to San Antonio. A normal 2:45 took me around 6 hours.

Just saw where this storm actually made the Mississippi reverse flow for awhile. JFC
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Post by: MDS on August 30, 2021, 08:08:08 PM
man id rather ride out the storm in nola than go to beaumont
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2021, 08:14:23 PM
True.

There’s nothing to do in Beaumont.
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Post by: Rome on August 30, 2021, 08:37:30 PM
I’ve seen bad storms before.  Dorian was worse than this one but not that much worse.  I’ve been through my fair share down here but nothing like Ida.   FEMA will be there for years now.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2021, 09:30:15 PM
I bet we have 1-2 more that come up that power alley there off the Yucatán.

We are due for one. And if one threads itself up the Houston ship channel - goodnight Irene. The port of Houston is huge for the economy. I believe they move over $800bn worth of shtein through there. It would cause a huge economic problem.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2021, 11:19:54 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/hurricane-ida-end-of-hurricane-preparedness/619926/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20210830&silverid=%25%25RECIPIENT_ID%25%25&utm_term=The%20Atlantic%20Daily
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Post by: Rome on September 01, 2021, 05:56:38 PM
There’s a tornado on the ground just west of Warminster.  Holy shtein take cover up there.
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Post by: General_Failure on September 01, 2021, 09:13:30 PM
We had tornado and flood watches all over out here on the border of Chester and Lancaster.. The roads are a mess. Saw a line of trees that were just shredded on my way home.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2021, 09:39:08 PM
When tornado alley meets the northeast

Saw some pics and it reminds me of Kansas
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Post by: Rome on September 01, 2021, 10:00:43 PM
That’s still Ida ravaging areas 1,500 miles away from La.

Unreal.  We are so farged.
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Post by: Diomedes on September 01, 2021, 10:05:34 PM
Tornado in Annapolis.  Couldn't happen to a better town.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2021, 10:29:50 PM
We are likely about to get another one of those hundred year flood events this week.

TS Nick is about to pay a visit. Up to 20” of rain predicted.

Problem with these hundred year events? If this eclipses 15-20”+ it’s out third hundred year event (2015, 2016, 2021) in the last few. And that’s not counting the five hundred year event (Harvey) that pissed 57” on us.
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Post by: Munson on September 13, 2021, 12:13:19 AM
The good news is the hospitals are clear and ready to take in anyone hurt or injured in the storm and flood waters.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2021, 12:31:31 AM
Absolutely!

Wide open and beds available. Courtesy of Gregg Abbott.
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Post by: Rome on September 13, 2021, 08:23:39 PM
He was nice enough to tweet the good news about catching 5 “illegals” at the border today.  Not humans, mind you.  ILLEGALS. 

What a maggot.
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Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2021, 10:27:05 PM
He’s awful. Neck and neck with DeSantis for worst in the country

This storm has shifted east. Sad I’ll have to work tomorrow