Flyers name Alain Vigneault head coach
https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/flyers-name-alain-vigneault-head-coach--philadelphia-flyers/c-306782494
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
frog
Kate Smith statue covered, and her rendition of God Bless America will no longer be used after songs with racist lyrics came to light. (https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/flyers/flyers-cover-kate-smith-statue-wells-fargo-center-remove-her-god-bless-america-after-racist-songs)
The Yankees have axed the song as well.
So she sung a song 90 years ago written by other people and the PC Overlords now deem her to be an unperson?
You can't say take down the Civil War statues and then say the lady who sang That's Why Darkies Were Born is okay.
it shouldnt be played in public arenas anyway as its basically a prayer...keep that shtein in church
as for fatty smith its not about god bless america its about the other songs she sung which are just beyond the pale...she literally did a song called 'why the darkies were born' and the answer is as the song says....to be slaves
you wanna song that represents everyone by a guy who was for everyone....sing this land is your land before games and suck on an overlords big cock
The song was satire
More PC bullshtein
Congrats Trump on your re-election
I was just about to post that.
The statues they're taking down were literal slave masters, not women singing songs written by other people.
It's the worst sort of cowardly knee-jerk liberal bullshtein, and SD is right... Trump will win again because of nonsense like this.
trumps winning anyway because america is racist as farg and the people who arent dont vote
but almost worse than the racists are the cowards who tell people to sell their souls and not do whats truly right because it might offend racists
can you two MAGAers do me a favor and never utter "this is why trump won" ever again....ive heard this phrase 100000 times in the past 2 years. none of the reasons are accurate. stop. doing. it.
He won because a lot of Americans got tired of being called inferior by liberal coastal snobs. I'm not saying it isn't ironic that they voted for a coastal elite snob/sociopath who couldn't care less about them; I'm just saying they got tired of being ignored or mocked for their idiotic beliefs and voted for their own version of hope and change.
Kate Smith was a National icon. There's no evidence that I'm aware of that indicates she was prejudiced or a racist in any way. She was from the south and was born a hundred years ago, but that doesn't mean shtein. Millions of white people were born in Philly during the same period and were virulent racists. That's the way it was back then (and frankly remains so today).
Should we shut down the city because a lot of the people who built it hated Asians or Blacks?
Come on...
Maybe start by not putting up statues of them, I guess.
Quote from: Rome on April 19, 2019, 08:22:01 PM
He won because a lot of Americans got tired of being called inferior by liberal coastal snobs. I'm not saying it isn't ironic that they voted for a coastal elite snob/sociopath who couldn't care less about them; I'm just saying they got tired of being ignored or mocked for their idiotic beliefs and voted for their own version of hope and change.
nope
they voted for a guy who became a viable candidate on the back of birtherism then started his candidacy by calling all his hispanics rapists then started his presidency with a muslim ban....i do agree with the hope and change but their hope was for america to change and be great again like it was during slavery and jim crow
Quote from: Rome on April 19, 2019, 08:22:01 PM
Kate Smith was a National icon. There's no evidence that I'm aware of that indicates she was prejudiced or a racist in any way. She was from the south and was born a hundred years ago, but that doesn't mean shtein. Millions of white people were born in Philly during the same period and were virulent racists. That's the way it was back then (and frankly remains so today).
Should we shut down the city because a lot of the people who built it hated Asians or Blacks?
keep your icon and your song in your basement and no one will care...no racist from philly or anywhere else is singing a song before a sporting event...get over it
see about that
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/francis-scott-key-owned-slaves/2016/09/02/168d2ef0-6f13-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_story.html
Quote from: MDS on April 19, 2019, 10:27:25 PM
see about that
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/francis-scott-key-owned-slaves/2016/09/02/168d2ef0-6f13-11e6-993f-73c693a89820_story.html
Third verse of Key's poem:
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I love the hypocrisy from people who worship hip hop "artists" who literally glorify violence & misogyny in between liberally sprinkled N bombs.
But hey, some dead white lady said "darky" in a song, so let's whitewash her from existence.
PS: Do you guardians of racial justice know Kate Smith's history of service? Probably not. Willfully ignorant wretches rarely know the facts.
Someone's losing his country and he isn't happy about it
100% chance romey listens to ben shapiro
Quote from: Rome on April 20, 2019, 05:30:24 AM
I love the hypocrisy from people who worship hip hop "artists" who literally glorify violence & misogyny in between liberally sprinkled N bombs.
But hey, some dead white lady said "darky" in a song, so let's whitewash her from existence.
PS: Do you guardians of racial justice know Kate Smith's history of service? Probably not. Willfully ignorant wretches rarely know the facts.
The SJW bullshtein is outta hand, makes me sad when people don't realize it's whats got Trump elected. 90% of his supporters have zero idea about his awful policies but he owns the libs so who cares.
Maher called the overly sensitive SJW/millennial crowd 'woke' and said the left needs to separate themselves entirely from them because of the harm they're doing. The average Joe Schmoe sees these whiny bitches outraged by stupid shtein and think every Dem thinks that way.
None of this is "why Trump won".
Trump won mostly because he was racist enough to get racist white people out in slightly larger numbers than usual, certain states (cough Wisconsin cough) did enough voter suppression to keep black people in Milwaukee/insert that state's major city here from voting, and because HRC was so unlikable and bland that, even though young people made up exactly the same amount of the electorate in 2016 as they did in 2012, and Trump didn't do any better with them than Romney did, HRC still lost 5-7 points with that age group to 3rd party/write in votes/etc. In other words, young people, especially young POC, didn't trust her, so they protest voted.
Leaving the stupidity of the kids who did that last thing aside, the point being, it has little to nothing to do with "PC" or "SJW" or any other Ben Shapiro or Bill Maher talking point that the Dem candidate lost by a combined 75,000 votes in 3 states. The "PC" and the "SJW" didn't go away in 2018 and Dems rolled to victory.
Quote from: Munson on April 20, 2019, 10:36:23 AM
None of this is "why Trump won".
It's exactly why Trump won. SJW outrage and oversensitive stupidity is a wide spectrum, it encompasses Muslims, LGBT, racism, they're going to take our guns, deep state, feminism, immigration, open borders, msn/fake news, welfare etc. Anytime a rare occurrence arises the right exploits it as those loony libs and Trump supporters feed off of it like sharks. They don't see it's a fringe group they see it as the ENTIRE left. You posted on CVON long enough to know exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know who ANTIFA was until the morons on CVON started talking about them.
Which line is Cheeto Dick centering?
Where do babies come from?
Oh so the same thing as PWAR's?
i have never heard of pwar
people who arent racist
I rolled Social Justice Bard, the Virtue Signaling gets me mad Hoyda.
Brb gonna virtue signal this Latina waitress at the bar to let laid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2019, 05:30:57 PM
Brb gonna virtue signal this Latina waitress at the bar to let laid
The Trotter jersey doesn't get it done anymore?
Gotta go with the Runyan so they know what you're down for.
Let' see I own a Cunningham, Fryar, Bed Wetter (it was on sale at Ross), Trotter, Montgomery, Carmichael, Victorino phew I'm good. Oh wait shtein, I owned a Steve Carlton t-shirt jersey and a Cliff Lee BOOM t-shirt. Damnit!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 20, 2019, 05:37:49 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2019, 05:30:57 PM
Brb gonna virtue signal this Latina waitress at the bar to let laid
The Trotter jersey doesn't get it done anymore?
Sadly no.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 20, 2019, 05:40:24 PM
Gotta go with the Runyan so they know what you're down for.
Wear Runyan and you have to grow the coat of back and arm hair
White privilege is strong here
Quote from: AO1 on April 20, 2019, 11:14:51 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 20, 2019, 10:36:23 AM
None of this is "why Trump won".
It's exactly why Trump won. SJW outrage and oversensitive stupidity is a wide spectrum, it encompasses Muslims, LGBT, racism, they're going to take our guns, deep state, feminism, immigration, open borders, msn/fake news, welfare etc. Anytime a rare occurrence arises the right exploits it as those loony libs and Trump supporters feed off of it like sharks. They don't see it's a fringe group they see it as the ENTIRE left. You posted on CVON long enough to know exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know who ANTIFA was until the morons on CVON started talking about them.
But those people are going to believe all that regardless, FoxNews has been convincing them of it since before the term "SJW" was a thing. Most normal folks out there don't really give a shtein (CVON very much not being normal people lol) because they don't watch right wing news and don't pay attention to other news very much. Hillary being Hillary had more to do with it than anything else.
But I digress, this is theFlyers thread, don't wanna clog it up with this shtein.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2019, 04:48:47 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on April 20, 2019, 05:40:24 PM
Gotta go with the Runyan so they know what you're down for.
Wear Runyan and you have to grow the coat of back and arm hair
A visual that still haunts me to this day.
Quote from: Munson on April 22, 2019, 01:01:18 AM
Quote from: AO1 on April 20, 2019, 11:14:51 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 20, 2019, 10:36:23 AM
None of this is "why Trump won".
It's exactly why Trump won. SJW outrage and oversensitive stupidity is a wide spectrum, it encompasses Muslims, LGBT, racism, they're going to take our guns, deep state, feminism, immigration, open borders, msn/fake news, welfare etc. Anytime a rare occurrence arises the right exploits it as those loony libs and Trump supporters feed off of it like sharks. They don't see it's a fringe group they see it as the ENTIRE left. You posted on CVON long enough to know exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know who ANTIFA was until the morons on CVON started talking about them.
But those people are going to believe all that regardless, FoxNews has been convincing them of it since before the term "SJW" was a thing. Most normal folks out there don't really give a shtein (CVON very much not being normal people lol) because they don't watch right wing news and don't pay attention to other news very much. Hillary being Hillary had more to do with it than anything else.
But I digress, this is theFlyers thread, don't wanna clog it up with this shtein.
Yeah, this space should be reserved for kvetching about how much the Flyers stink, not U.S. politics. There's a thread for that! :D
this is great...
https://www.hockeyfights.com/canadiens-vs-flyers-media-overload-05-14-87#disqus_thread
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1135708964845490176
Brayden Schenn scores to put the Blues up 3-0 and probably seals the deal for the Stanley Cup.
Craig Berube wins a Cup. Go figure!
every 1967 expansion team that still exists has won a cup since the flyers last did
there are only three teams left that were in the league the last time the flyers won the cup and havent won one since
not including franchises that no longer are around
We have Gritty.
when michael del zotto is winning cups with someone else, you know its time to end the franchise
QuoteBREAKING: The #Flyers have acquired defenseman Matt Niskanen from the Capitals in exchange for defenseman Radko Gudas
Not a huge Gudas fan although he had a solid season, but this trade makes no sense.
Andrew Macdonald
Good riddance
Trade a 2nd and a 3rd for 32 year old dman Justin Braun. He was a -14 last season. farg this team 😂
he wasnt even good in his prime....at least with niskanen you can hope for a bounce back year as unlikely as that is at his age but he was at one time a really good dman and it was in the near past...this bum was never good and they gave up something legit for him
And they give Hayes 7 years $50 million. And I thought the JVR deal was bad. This might be the worst offseason in nhl history
and they gave up a pick for the right to overpay him
It would seem to me to be rather difficult for the Flyers to have the worst draft of the weekend at this point.
Paul Holmgren: Hold my beer.
Flyers traded 11 to the yotes for 14 and 45. Not bad value and they recoup a 2nd from that god awful Braun trade
Flyers following the Sixers plan and trade their pick.
11 to Arizona for 14 and 45.
Took Cam York an offensive defenseman
Cole Caulfield is really falling.
Eliteprospects.com on York (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/290129/cam-york)
Broad Street Hockey profile (https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2019/6/19/18684400/philadelphia-flyers-2019-nhl-draft-profile-cam-york-analysis)
Cam York was one of the best defensive prospects in the draft but his height is what kept him down. The Flyers going down only three spots and recouping the 2nd rounder they pissed away on Braun was pretty impressive. We were watching it live and I just shook my head when they traded down. Great job, though. Takes the sting out of an otherwise awful offseason.
I'm fine with the York pick, don't know if I buy the Leetch comparison. Vasily Podkolzin was their guy but once he went off at 10 they decided to trade back. I would have taken a chance with Caulfield, sure he's a midget but he has a ton of talent
Quote from: AO1 on June 22, 2019, 12:12:34 PM
don't know if I buy the Leetch comparison.
When I see someone drafted outside the top 10 compared to a Hall of Famer in any sport, I tend to dismiss the entire analysis.
Flyers trade 45 and 65 for 34, pick RW Bobby Brink (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/496724/bobby-brink).
17. Small (5'8"), Right-handed shot. Committed to University of Denver.
72 - D Ronald Attard (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/284030/ronnie-attard)
20 years old, Western Michigan. Right-handed defenseman.
103 - D Mason Millman (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/418350/mason-millman)
17, slated for OHL (Saginaw Spirit) next year. Left-handed shot.
Brink's full name is Bobby Orr Brink.
True story.
Sounds like his parents were indecisive.
Wrapping up the scrub picks:
165 - WR Egor Derdyulk (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/450506/yegor-serdyuk)
18, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Left-handed shot.
169 - G Roddy Ross (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/411720/roddy-ross)
18, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL). Left-handed glove.
196 - RW Bryce Brodzinski (https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/400134/bryce-brodzinski)
18, University of Minnesota. Right-handed shot.
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1142539927999004672
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1149356224267345921
great deep dive into homer
https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-Meltzer/Paul-Holmgren-Steps-Aside-as-Flyers-President-An-Analysis/45/100483
https://twitter.com/LesBowen/status/1163212311454244868
Provorov locked and loaded. 6-Yrs/$40.5M.
Quote from: Rome on September 12, 2019, 08:31:00 PM
Provorov locked and loaded. 6-Yrs/$40.5M.
That's less than I thought he'd get for six years.
No complaints I'd thought he'd rape the flyers
Homer be long gone, son.
it's pretty much what was predicted...nhl deals are almost slotted now like nfl rookie deals
Supposedly "week-to-week."
https://twitter.com/davegisaac/status/1172488815195369474
Ouch.
https://twitter.com/JHallNBCS/status/1173306682887299075
J-F Berube sucks.
I had no idea who he was before tonight, but he sucks nonetheless.
https://www.facebook.com/104266592953439/posts/2962912467088823?sfns=mo
They're going to be THAT bad?
https://twitter.com/NBCSPhilly/status/1181702539298914312
Wtf
They're gonna run out of shtein to break quickly
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGeUkLKWsAAQ8zp?format=jpg&name=medium)
Haaaa.
That Carter Hart save was unbelievable
They look like a completely different team, way more disciplined. It's still early but I like what I've seen.
Quote from: AO1 on October 10, 2019, 10:49:20 AM
That Carter Hart save was unbelievable
They look like a completely different team, way more disciplined. It's still early but I like what I've seen.
Didn't get to see the first game, but I liked the aggression they displayed on the penalty kill. Hakstol had them so passive that it became a shooting gallery.
That save on the 5-on-3... dare I think that the Flyers finally have a goalie?
kevin hayes and sean couterier are slightly better at PK than jori lehtera and dale weise
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2019, 12:03:39 PM
kevin hayes and sean couterier are slightly better at PK than jori lehtera and dale weise
You and I would be better than those two scrubs.
https://twitter.com/billmeltzer/status/1182816392938250240
Flyers have had two goals overturned by the offsides review.
farg Leon Stickle.
Playing like dogs much of the third period, but still lead 3-1.
This is a crazy team. They look awful for long stretches and then explode out of nowhere like they did last night. They're talented, though... Should make for an interesting season until they implode again.
Quote from: Rome on October 27, 2019, 06:32:33 AM
This is a crazy team. They look awful for long stretches and then explode out of nowhere like they did last night. They're talented, though... Should make for an interesting season until they implode again.
That didn't take long.
Went to the bathroom to take a shtein and it was 0-0. Come out it's 3-0. And it was a short shtein
The Flyers won a shootout... ??? :o
how awful have the flyers been to start seasons?
their 6-5-1 start is their best in almost ten years
up to 14
amazing av held the connector out that long
this is unreal
Sam Morin can't buy a break.
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1192634303261360128
tough break missing another season in the AHL
Two straight shootout wins? This world has turned topsy-turvy.
Outclassed by the Capitals so far.
The way 3-on-3 overtime has developed is absolutely boring. All they do is skate around for five minutes.
What kind of half ass shootout attempt was that by Couts
great article on Darren Jensen
https://www.inquirer.com/flyers/flyers-goalie-darren-jensen-pelle-lindbergh-death-hockey-20191113.html
Just like the Sixers, can't hold a farging lead
Frost called up.
Morgan farging frosty
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ8g0ngXsAEw8zk?format=jpg&name=900x900)
garbage ass ghost finally a healthy scratch
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKlDnTJX0AYuTfr?format=jpg&name=large)
Niskanen is a damn good hockey player
flyers have the least amount of losses at this point that they have had in any season since 2005
Hell of a goal by Provorov to win it in OT.
Holy shtein what a wild last half of the third period. Toronto ties it up with a weird goal off of Hart, and the Flyers respond...
and respond...
and respond...
and respond...
and respond.
Lindblom's got Ewing sarcoma, a particularly deadly cancer.
Here's the team statement. It's a bone cancer. This is one of those deals where the survival rates depend a ton on how early they caught it and what the precise diagnosis is.
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1205599966317752321
That really sucks
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 13, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
Here's the team statement. It's a bone cancer. This is one of those deals where the survival rates depend a ton on how early they caught it and what the precise diagnosis is.
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1205599966317752321
Damn.
Farabee got a match penalty against Winnipeg. Hearing tomorrow.
Elliott apparently shtein the bed. Didn't see much of the game, but six goals on 17 shots.
Apparently the whole team got cancer.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 15, 2019, 09:23:36 PM
Farabee got a match penalty against Winnipeg. Hearing tomorrow.
Elliott apparently shtein the bed. Didn't see much of the game, but six goals on 17 shots.
Here's the hit in question:
https://twitter.com/HeresYourReplay/status/1206354023659507713
The Flyers are taking the Eichel-less Sabres to the woodshed tonight. 5-0 so far.
EDIT: 6-0 now. Twice the goals have gone off Sabres.
lol Marchand
Quote from: AO1 on January 13, 2020, 09:54:53 PM
lol Marchand
I've replayed that three times.
EDIT: For those that missed it...
https://twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/1216916837029597184
the flyers have the 10th most pts in the NHL out of 31 teams....16 teams make the playoffs....if the playoffs started today the flyers would not be in
Gritty a hardened criminal?
https://twitter.com/_Hetrick/status/1220056395015278592
as an official gritty stan i can tell you 1) this is nonsense 2) if it were true it wouldnt matter, gritty does what he wants
but really, this entitled white dude's dumbass soon hit gritty on the head. gritty followed back with a playful shove. dude thought he could negotiate some freebies because of the shove. during said negotiations, his fragile white male ego was bruised. so he sued. now keep in mind he made the pic they took his FB profile jawn and him and the son went to a flyer game like last week.
in conclusion, throw delaware in the ocean
https://twitter.com/KevinPHayes12/status/1220481276672647170
https://twitter.com/CBSPhilly/status/1224337382717251584
Nicolas Aube-Kubel with the Gordie Howe hattrick tonight. Flyers demolishing the Capitals tonight.
EDIT: I should also mention that Giroux got his 800th NHL point tonight.
Nice ass whooping after last nights beat down
Quote from: AO1 on February 08, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
Nice ass whooping after last nights beat down
Yeah, that was missing last year. Great response tonight.
I watched both games. The Flyers last night we're a completely different team. I don't know how that happens but that's hockey for you.
carter harts ray emery tribute mask
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQbS1CEXYAAVAtr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
these dueling games are incredible
Damn.
michael raffl on the flyers young players...this is pure farging gold
Quote
They are really good kids. Not the brightest candles on the Christmas tree... but they bring light! Fun to be around... but Jesus Christ."
Holy shtein that's great.
That is priceless. :-D :-D
https://twitter.com/NBCSPhilly/status/1229955396699348993
flyers are five points behind the caps
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 20, 2020, 09:53:54 PM
flyers are five points behind the caps
Now three behind both Washington and Pittsburgh, though both have games in hand (Washington 1, Pittsburgh 2).
This has been an good stretch of hockey by the Flyers.
OFFICIAL: We have acquired center Derek Grant from Anaheim in exchange for forward Kyle Criscuolo and a fourth round pick in the 2020 NHL Entry Draft.
i went to the game tonight. really good seats 10 rows off the ice right on the corner. i say it every time i go but hockey is unwatchable on tv and outrageous in person.
-some guy in a mike euruzione jersey sat in front of us. gee i wonder why he wore that
-drunk delco trash next to us got lit on 2 bud lights and texted the n word to his friend
we live in a good world
https://twitter.com/BroadStHockey/status/1233570376661204993
white people are the best....
https://twitter.com/MadeForPhilly/status/1233801176208039936
:-D :-D :-D
Philly might have a championship contender
Don't look now, but one point behind the Capitals for 1st in the Patrick Metropolitan.
Had a student talking smack on Friday about the home-and-home. I'll enjoy playing the highlights during dismissal tomorrow.
Lol. That kid looks like a little Tony Twist.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 01, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
Don't look now, but one point behind the Capitals for 1st in the Patrick Metropolitan.
caps play on nbc tonight and the flyers wed...if they have a reg or ot loss tonight that game is for first place
also pens have lost six in a row
http://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm
https://twitter.com/billmeltzer/status/1235365798551707649
That was an old school Patrick division style game
Veineault should be coach of the year
Damn, that was entertaining hockey. This team is legitimate.
ovechkin this year against flyers
4 games
0 pts
I ragged them pretty hard earlier in the year but they've been ridiculously impressive in the last 25 games. Nice to see. That was a fun game to watch last night.
a week from saturday im going to a double dip at wells fargo
flyers in the day sixers in the evening
who would known
back when i got tickets
that the flyers would be the best team in the nhl
and the sixers dogshtein
March 14th? I'll be at the Flyers game...it is Star Wars night after all
star wars day yes....dont remind me...
day games are bad anyway with kids this is going to be a nightmare...the thing is they made it a stars wars game like three weeks ago...it definitely wasnt one when i bought the tickets and i never heard of it until i saw that gritty light saber commercial for it last month...i should get credits for free beers or something
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
1st place
rangers goal!
and ovie ties it
unreal
5 goal game for zjvaned rangers win in ot
caps flyers identical records
caps technically in first with the tiebreak
when was the last time the flyers were legit good?
the year after they made the Stanley cup final
For me, this has been the most fun year since Lindros was on the team.
Phil Myers out four weeks with a fractured patella. Ouch.
Rask was brilliant and the Bruins D was suffocating in the 3rd. Too many unnecessary passes on the Flyers end on odd man rushes
Quote from: AO1 on March 10, 2020, 09:27:44 PM
Rask was brilliant and the Bruins D was suffocating in the 3rd. Too many unnecessary passes on the Flyers end on odd man rushes
Sounds about right. The Flyers were buzzing the first two periods, but Rask was a wall. Once the Bruins scored, Boston went into shut down mode, and the Flyers just didn't have the firepower.
I thought the second goal was one Hart would like to have back.
The short-handed chance right before Boston scored stood out to me. Tried for the pass when he should have gotten it on net.
https://twitter.com/JimJPhilly/status/1257368969490698240
Has it REALLY been 20 years since the 5-OT game?
I can remember it well. The next day was our annual trip to Universal Studios for the 8th grade grad night. The game ended at around 3 am. Got up at 5:30 for school. Got home at about 5am. 30 mile drive from school to home after the trip, and it felt like I was halluncinating.
I could never do this nowaday. I'm wayyyyyyyy too old.
In my case I'm bothered less by the absolute number of 20, but more by the fact that it happened in a different half of my life.
Watched it in a common area of a dorm, riveted to the screen, cursing out Ron Tugnutt at 2:30am. One of the best sports watching moments of my life.
i would put everything i own on neither of you watching the game to the end and QB most likely didnt watch any of it
You'd be broke.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2020, 10:36:14 AM
i would put everything i own on neither of you watching the game to the end and QB most likely didnt watch any of it
Well... you'd be wrong.
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Yeah what is IGY even talking about?
I was like 11 at the time and I stayed up and watched the whole thing.
I was in California and only had to stay up past midnight. Watched the game at the tilted stick...used to be owned by the guy who ran on the field to spread his mother's ashes
Guys, you don't know what it's like being the only real sports fan. Please stop pretending.
Do you even Philly sports bro?
GF was busy dominating NHL2k that night.
i was up at penn state, they kept the sports bar open like an extra hour or maybe two until they finally forced everyone to leave. hundreds of us watched through the windows until the end and then all hell broke lose once primeau scored. you could hear people screaming all up and down beaver canyon. probably the the most memorable non-psu sports moment i ever had up there.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 05, 2020, 02:14:36 PM
i was up at penn state, they kept the sports bar open like an extra hour or maybe two until they finally forced everyone to leave. hundreds of us watched through the windows until the end and then all hell broke lose once primeau scored. you could hear people screaming all up and down beaver canyon. probably the the most memorable non-psu sports moment i ever had up there.
With the Philly/Pitt split up there, it must have been a near riot.
yeah acme pizza was lit that night.
i can be real and say i didnt last...and this was back when i watched a ton of flyers
passed out in between the 2nd and 3rd ot's. then the lost to the devils and the next year i wasnt as interested. blame patrick elias.
everyone has to say they either were at or watched the the whole of any classic game...especially on the internet there is a tremendous fear among many fans that if you didnt you arent a real fan
In the locker room after the game, totally wasted, I said, "Boys, we're gonna be talkin' about this one on the internet for decades to come. Hell of a game."
I'm sorry, that's a lie. I wasn't even old enough to drink. I just wanted to seem cool for you guys.
I had the NHL ticket and taped every game I couldn't watch. This was one of the games I taped. I wouldn't be home until the next morning and, just in case the game went into OT I set the VHS to the slow speed 6 hour record instead of 3 hr. I watched 6 hours of the motherfarger on almost no sleep and the tape ran out lol. But all was good when I saw the replay of the goal, icing on the cake was Primeau beating that greaseball Kasparaitis.
I can't believe IGY thinks the same like 15-20 people that have been posting here with each other alone without any other person around is still worried about looking cool for each other lol.
I mean, I can maybe think of some classic games I don't think I watched. I feel like when the Phils made that huge comeback on the Mets in the 9th inning (2007?) I think i had turned that off iirc. Might have turned it back on when I saw people in the Phils thread here going nuts about a comeback but I really don't remember. I don't have much of a problem admitting I missed some stuff like that. I know I didn't watch Game 4 of the Flyers series against the Bruins where they eventually came back from the 3-0 series deficit. Not a big game there obviously as Game 7 but I am def liable to check out like that if it seems like there's no chance.
But I def remember staying up late for the 5OT game. I've been a night owl all my life and by that age when summer hit I was already staying up til 3 in the morning after a couple of weeks of no school, so staying up that late wasn't a huge stretch for me. But I was much more into the Flyers back then then i am now.
I don't know why anyone would lie about watching a sporting event on tv. Live?...sure. 90% of Eagles fans over the age of 40 were supposedly at the body bag game.
I was in upstate NY, the one TV on our dorm floor was permanently on and tuned to ESPN 24/7. National games were my only real chances to watch Philly sports that year and I never missed one, and certainly not a playoff game vs the Pens. Floor was mostly Rags fans but a few of them got invested in the game too due to its freakish nature.
Doubt I'd stay up and watch it now, unless it was a game 7 or in the Finals. 3am isn't normal anymore, hockey doesn't mean as much to me as it did then, and with the internet it's pretty easy to binge highlights or even the whole game the next morning.
Quote from: AO1 on May 06, 2020, 04:47:27 PM
I don't know why anyone would lie about watching a sporting event on tv.
we have the best sports fan in the universe in our midst so all logic bets all off
My wife's due date for our daughter was that next day. I stayed up all night anyway thinking the kid was coming. She ended up being born June 1st.
i'm embarrassed that i ever watched hockey at all to be honest.
Quote from: Rome on May 06, 2020, 06:43:33 PM
My wife's due date for our daughter was that next day. I stayed up all night anyway
Romey not helping the I stayed up all night kids...this is particularly silly...I hope he's kidding but I know he isn't
Nope. 100% true.
well I had to actually deliver a baby that night but put it off until the game was over then did a c section drunk
lol so weird. who lies about watching a hockey game? it's not an impressive accomplishment.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 09, 2020, 12:51:35 PM
lol so weird. who lies about watching a hockey game? it's not an impressive accomplishment.
The general point is that none of us are lying. Buy igy's gonna igy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2020, 12:25:19 PM
well I had to actually deliver a baby that night but put it off until the game was over then did a c section drunk
Was the baby born primeauturely?
Quote from: phattymatty on May 09, 2020, 12:51:35 PM
lol so weird. who lies about watching a hockey game? it's not an impressive accomplishment.
it's not just hockey it's all big sporting events
give it another 10 years and the attendance at the eagles nfcc game against the Vikings will be one million
I was at a Phillies game at the Vet with about 38 others in the stands. Bow to my fandom, peasants.
if I am ever impressed by someone's attendance (or watching lol) of a sporting event, this is now in writing that you may exterminate me.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 09, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on May 09, 2020, 12:51:35 PM
lol so weird. who lies about watching a hockey game? it's not an impressive accomplishment.
The general point is that none of us are lying. Buy igy's gonna igy.
hes backed himself into a corner and cant just let it go
just admit he was the only one watching it. not even the players were awake.
Quote from: Rome on May 09, 2020, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2020, 12:25:19 PM
well I had to actually deliver a baby that night but put it off until the game was over then did a c section drunk
Was the baby born primeauturely?
No, but it had a terrible case of Jawndice.
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 09, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on May 09, 2020, 12:51:35 PM
lol so weird. who lies about watching a hockey game? it's not an impressive accomplishment.
The general point is that none of us are lying. Buy igy's gonna igy.
hes backed himself into a corner and cant just let it go
just admit he was the only one watching it. not even the players were awake.
the soccer fan guy who has never finished any hockey game ever telling people stuff...
Of all the hills to die on, this sure is one of them.
its true. ive never seen the end of a hockey game. detective sports fan caught me in another web of lies.
how does he do it
I didn't want to believe, but real does recognize real. IGY doesn't recognize any of us frauds.
https://twitter.com/NHLPA/status/1264010316029014020
I believe the Flyers would be in line for a first round bye, should that come to pass.
so they would get to play a team who had a series to shake the rust off and get in game shape
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2020, 08:57:04 PM
so they would get to play a team who had a series to shake the rust off and get in game shape
NHL fix for this is to have the top 4 teams play round robin for seeding while the other 8 teams play an elimination round.
in super amazing news linblom was out on the ice today....still dont know if he will ever play again but i would think this is fantastic news towards coming back at some point
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1278742954736320512
this lindblom shtein is bonkers
LET'S GO FLYERS!
(You're our only chance! :paranoid)
4th line carrying the team so far. Hart looking sharp (with help on one from the post) - that's good to see.
f boston
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 02, 2020, 05:55:31 PM
f boston
I like how Millbury tried to soft-cell the slewfoot on Raffl.
they wont win the cup because theyre the flyers and theyll find a way to screw it up but....does this count
no they will win the cup precisely because it doesnt count
Bigger fraud champs
2008 Phils or 2020 Flyers
2020 wont even be a fraud it will be like it never happened...the Phillies happened and is legit it's just on the short list of worst titles ever won
two absolutely gorgeous goals by the flyers today particularly by sanheim
Hayes/Konecny set ups were beauties
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2020, 09:14:46 PM
Bigger fraud champs
2008 Phils or 2020 Flyers
Flyers win the cup to me it's legit. They played almost an entire season and playoffs.
if you dont have any home games and there wasnt a parade did it really happen?
all i can picture in my head is whoever wins it all flinging their gloves in the air and going crazy in an empty arena
The NHL has done a great job with the hand they were dealt. It's the least farcical of the restarts so far, and looks and feels a lot like legit hockey to me. The presence of fans and tweaking the playoff seeding doesn't affect the integrity of the game the way that chopping the season down by 2/3, rescheduling whole weeks on the fly, and instituting a bunch of gimmick rules does.
Unless you're there who cares about the crowd (I barely notice they're gone). It's Philly zero chance fans don't flood the regular hot spots and probably a virtual parade.
I'll take it any way I can't get it at this point.
im no hockey guy but winning a cup in like september in an empty arena in toronto just cant mean anything
its better than *not* winning a title but its demonstrably worse than a good run that ends in like the ec finals
Damn, this team is fun to watch.
Uh-oh. Hope Sanheim's OK.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 08, 2020, 08:57:12 PM
Damn, this team is fun to watch.
They're farging dominant on both ends
Wild that the covid restart rules have sprung them to the #1 seed, but it's well earned in that they have been the East's best team in 2020 imho.
people still complain that the Phillies title isn't legit because there was a rain delay. flyers fans going to count this one if they win it?
Quote from: phattymatty on August 09, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
people still complain that the Phillies title isn't legit because there was a rain delay. flyers fans going to count this one if they win it?
This one will. Can't speak for all flyers fans though
Quote from: phattymatty on August 09, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
people still complain that the Phillies title isn't legit because there was a rain delay. flyers fans going to count this one if they win it?
Their names will be on the Cup. If it's good enough for Lord Stanley,...
Quote from: phattymatty on August 09, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
people still complain that the Phillies title isn't legit because there was a rain delay. flyers fans going to count this one if they win it?
Phillie win is 100% legit it's just at or near the bottom of championships
whoever wins this years Stanley cup will have a big fat asterisk on it
Quote from: phattymatty on August 09, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
people still complain that the Phillies title isn't legit because there was a rain delay. flyers fans going to count this one if they win it?
flyers fans are mainly stepford homers who jerk off to the penguins losing a meaningless play in series while they have 100 legit cups. so yea im pretty sure they will take this as legit but in reality it is not
1st round schedule: August 12, 14, 16, 18, 19, 21, 23
Hype video.
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1293533947029336065
https://twitter.com/TarynNBCS/status/1293718485084917760
See if this is new flyers or old flyers...old flyers might have won 3-2 in OT but they'd be a lock to give up another goal...new flyers need to win 2 or 3 to 1
This game didn't start off so well...
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 14, 2020, 03:31:12 PM
This game didn't start off so well...
Credit Montreal they ain't farging around
first time im sitting down to watch, well, part of a game in forever and of course
Reminds me of the Devils series in 2012 when the Flyers squeaked out game 1 then the Devils took it to them the next 4. Flyers don't look like they belong on the same ice.
habs are so much faster its kind of depressing
Watching a little muckin and grinding tonight.
Eh.
why isnt doc doing this game
I think I read they have crews for East and west games?
its an 800 start on a sunday...cant get much more primetime than this
you want your best on this game
They have to get the power play straightened out. It'll be their achilles' heel.
do the flyers finally have a good goalie who can mask their usual choking
A novice's views
Carter Hart is legit
The defense was good
The offense sucks
Particularly the power play
Zamboni eh.
I don't know how to react to actually having a legit stud goalie.
The Flyers did OK defensively, but had several potentially lethal turnovers (the one by normally sure-handed Provorov towards the end led to a 2-0 in front of Hart).
By all rights the Flyers should have lost this game. Hart stole it for them.
Sitting Ghost was huge. He's a mess
Quote from: MDS on August 16, 2020, 10:38:20 PM
do the flyers finally have a good goalie who can mask their usual choking
he's been pulled in 33% of the games this series and had 23 saves last night with at least four posts
he's better than anything they have had in quite a while but brakes need to be pumped on him being a goalie savior...potential is there though
Multiple shutouts in a playoff series? For the Flyers? I don't care how he got there, I'm ok with crowning his ass now.
Two power play goals on that major
Hopefully they hold on and salvage the day
Lol
So much for that
hart looks completely shaken
jesus vigneult you can't put him back in...for one thing he is complete shtein and you are gonna now half pull him?
Amazing
Philadelphia teams love to shoot themselves in the feet.
Brutal turnover
as bad as Hart was vigneault was worse....completely overplayed the 4th line...grant was on the farging pp and played more than giroux overall....this when he shouldn't even be in the lineup to begin with
https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1296611234914226176
That's big. Niskanen is solid and Ghost is a train wreck
Ouch for Montreal: Brendan Gallagher out with broken jaw.
Niskanen was lucky to get only one game.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 20, 2020, 09:58:35 PM
Ouch for Montreal: Brendan Gallagher out with broken jaw.
Niskanen was lucky to get only one game.
That's equally big
great start
classic flyers would give one back in the next few minutes
and there it is
sanner
never farging fails
I have more faith in the Phillies lead than this one.
Nice cardio workout watching that. Flyers had no business winning with the way they played in the neutral zone, but sometimes a couple lucky bounces and holding on for dear life is enough.
Did not watch one second of Sixers or Phillies, no regrets.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 21, 2020, 09:43:26 PM
Nice cardio workout watching that. Flyers had no business winning with the way they played in the neutral zone, but sometimes a couple lucky bounces and holding on for dear life is enough.
Did not watch one second of Sixers or Phillies, no regrets.
Thought the Habs played better a lot of the series but bottom line the Flyers won.
Also they don't win that series without Carter Hart
It's also a sweep without him.
Someone may want to let the Flyers know that the game has started.
They look worse than they did the last series somehow.
They're looking better in the 2nd, but no real good scoring chances yet.
Onslaught!
Damn. We'll see if they can pull off the OT win. I'm doubtful, though. They're looking as bad as they did in the first period.
The second goal was soft.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 26, 2020, 05:37:36 PM
Damn. We'll see if they can pull off the OT win. I'm doubtful, though. They're looking as bad as they did in the first period.
The second goal was soft.
Wow. Nice goal by Myers.
I had full confidence in them all the time... :paranoid
All nhl games canceled tonight
They came out strong then got steamrolled for 50 minutes. I can't wait until Voracek and Giroux are gone. They will never win a thing with those two wilted daisies on the team.
Voracek wasn't bad last series...Girouxs pulled his normal playoff disappearing act. Their best player by far is Hart...they're getting outplayed almost every playoff game but he keeps them in it
jake wasnt there yet but giroux would have won a cup in 2010 if he had hart as a goalie....or maybe me as a goalie
That Giroux is dead and buried.
he was probably the 7th or 8th best player on the team then...he was young as shtein... and not a huge piece...and now hes about in the same position
he could have a ring with hart then and now hes about the same player and has hart but the team isnt good enough
circumstances are a bitch
I remember Giroux being the young up and comer that year who had ridiculous good puck handling skills and looked extremely exciting.
It's such a shame they wasted the rest of his career and never put a cup winning team around him.
when is the last time the flyers scored in the 3rd period?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2020, 10:40:38 PM
when is the last time the flyers scored in the 3rd period?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuuvkiTziN0
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2020, 10:40:38 PM
when is the last time the flyers scored in the 3rd period?
2010?
18 goals in 10 2/3 games probably not going to get it done most playoff years
Nice tip by Giroux
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 01, 2020, 08:34:13 PM
18 goals in 10 2/3 games probably not going to get it done most playoff years
reverse jinx
Nice to see a forward other than Pitlick playing like they give a damn
Hart chokes late in the 3rd then bails them out in ot
i thought the second goal was soft...not sure what he could have done on the others
he definitely got away with a delay of game in OT
Hmmm....
https://twitter.com/BroadStBull/status/1301651505272041473
https://twitter.com/JHallNBCS/status/1301652249744203776
One more: Farabee has a concussion.
AV sucks at the challenges.
EDIT: And it cost them. Dammit.
what a horrendous team
Yikes this isn't good
2-0 blown and now down again
They keep dodging bullets.
Fortunately, NYI's goalie hasn't been good tonight.
Glad Carter Hart showed up. No one else seem to have.
Great win
Hart kept them in it
I am amazed at how poor their PP is. Seems like 4/50 or whatever is historically bad
Damn, that was stressful. Hart was the difference.
The rest of the fargs better wake up by Saturday, or Hart may not be able to save them again.
derby
some college football
phils/mets
g7
legggoooooo saturday
I fell asleep. Woke up and they had won. I'm definitely the problem.
Quote from: Rome on September 04, 2020, 06:45:56 AM
I fell asleep. Woke up and they had won. I'm definitely the problem.
a fifth and a bottle of zannies 7pm tomorrow please
Embarrassing.
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Brutal. Like they didn't even show up.
awful no show performance by a team that hasnt won a cup a year after nixon resigned
stars-knights and lightning-islanders is about as bad as it gets for the nhl. might as well not even finish the season
Go Vegas
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2020, 01:15:49 AM
Go Vegas
No way I can root for that organization when the Flyers haven't won it since '75. Hockey season ended for me.
Took RW Tyson Foerster with their 1st round pick (23). Had no idea the draft was happening but saw it on my program guide.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/201934/tyson-foerster
not the most encouraging draft ive ever seen...flyers went with the not highly recommended hockey draft strategy of picking guys who cant skate...if he ever makes the team tho zayde wisdom will automatically have the coolest ever name for a flyer....farging great story on him below...ill definitely be following and rooting for him
NHL scout on Foerster: "He's a very smart player with a world-class shot and a lot of skill, but it's so hard to get past his skating. He's behind the pace of the OHL."NHL scout on Andrae: "He's very talented and steady. He can play at both ends. He's very skilled, he has guts. The skating for that size will be the question."NHL scout on Wisdom: His skill and compete levels are very high. He wins a lot of battles and makes plays in the tough areas. He's an undersized player who is an average skater, though, and I don't think he sees the ice at a high level.NHL scout on Desnoyers: He is a very intelligent forward, but he's small and lacks great footspeed.NHL scout on Mclennon: The tools don't pop, and as a 5-foot-8 forward, that is highly concerning. His tool grades don't line up at all with the other players in this range. QuoteZayde Wisdom's earliest memory is of one of the many times his grandmother, who he calls Kitty, picked him up from school. He can't remember exactly how old he was. He was young. Maybe kindergarten. But he remembers the rest like it was yesterday.
He remembers Kitty handing him his after-school lunch. He remembers turning his nose up at it and demanding McDonald's. He remembers her answer, one he'd heard before: "No, we don't have money for that."
And he remembers the two things that came next: a drive to the food bank and a return to a home without electricity.
At the time, he understood the food bank as the place he sometimes went to pick up meals for the week. But he never really understood why the lights would go out. His mom, Mairri, would tell him that people were working on the power lines.
"Oh, it went down in the whole neighbourhood," she would lie.
Roughly a decade later, he knows that wasn't true. He knows they were late on their payments. And he recognizes that Mairri and Kitty were protecting him, that they didn't want him to feel left behind.
Today, he uses that experience, just one in a lifetime's worth of them, as fuel for his pursuit of a brighter future. It's a pursuit that has carried him, against all odds, to the brink of the NHL draft — and a better life for him and his family.
Wisdom was born in Weston, a small, diverse neighbourhood in northwest Toronto, to multiracial parents. His dad, Anies, is a Jamaican immigrant and long-haul truck driver. Mairri never met her own father, and was raised by Kitty, who belongs to the Metis Nation.
Mairri, like her mom before her, also raised Wisdom and his younger brother Zaccarya as a single mother. After moving to the city at 16 and later meeting Anies, the two separated when the boys were young. Among Wisdom's other early memories, he admits, is the day his dad walked out.
Before that, though, he fell in love with hockey, almost by chance. Though Anies and Mairri had never laced up skates themselves, Wisdom would throw fits from their laps as a toddler whenever they would change the channel from the hockey game.
Early on, instead of enrolling him in hockey, Mairri had Wisdom in skates at local outdoor rinks. Eventually, through an after-school program, he was able to get on the ice indoors. When it was clear he wanted to pursue it further, Mairri worked three or four jobs so that Wisdom could play house league hockey. While she worked, Kitty did everything else, shuttling Wisdom to and from the rink in a beat-up car with bald tires while he ate his meals in the back seat.
When coaches realized he was one of the best players on the ice, they encouraged Wisdom to try out for the local select team. In the years that followed, as winter hockey also became spring, summer and fall hockey, and then eventually AAA, Mairri relied on the generosity of other parents to afford it all.
"It was all on me," Mairri said. "Their dad wasn't around for the first part of it really. My mom was taking them everywhere and I just worked and paid bills and worked."
In a sport dominated by the wealthy, Wisdom quickly learned that he was different. While he was sharing a bed with his brother and his mom, or while Mairri couldn't afford to go to the grocery store, his teammates showed up to the rink with new clothes and equipment.
"I knew I couldn't afford it so it's not like I went home and cried to my mom about it," Wisdom said. "I would just say 'I'm going to get there one day and I'm going to help my mom get what she wants when she's older and make money off of the sport that I love to play.'"
For a long time, he tried to blend in.
"I've always grown up with a lot of white friends around me, white kids around me, and I've learned to kind of act like that," Wisdom said.
It wasn't until he was introduced to trainer Derrell Levy in minor peewee, minor hockey coach Jason Payne (who now coaches the ECHL's Cincinnati Cyclones), and later NHLer Wayne Simmonds (Wisdom became a staple at Simmonds' annual Road Hockey Warriors charity ball hockey tournament for underprivileged children), that Wisdom began to see people at the rink who looked like him.
Levy is a former junior and college hockey player who started In-Tech High Performance Training. In the gym and on the ice, Levy works with several clients who are visible minorities, including Los Angeles Kings prospect Akil Thomas, as well as brothers Givanni and Gemel Smith, who've both bounced between the AHL and the NHL.
Mairri admits that it has taken her years to come to terms with hockey's place in their lives. Though she recognizes that without the support of other parents that Wisdom never would have been able to stick with the sport, she struggles with moral dilemmas about hockey's accessibility for families like hers.
"The same people that kind of hold the sport itself down are the same people who helped us financially to enable him to get to where he is," she said. "It's a sport that requires a lot of money. There's a lot of kind, generous people out there. Zayde always served a purpose, don't get it wrong, but there are people that helped along the way."
Even with that help, she had to ask Zaccarya to make sacrifices for Wisdom's pursuit. It was "impossible" for Mairri to afford both boys in AAA, so Zaccarya grew up playing AA.
And she couldn't have done any of it without Levy. It was Levy who convinced agents Eustace King and Matt Federico — whose O2K Management Group doesn't normally do business in Toronto due to the mega agencies that monopolize the area — to go watch him play at a tournament in Port Huron, Ont.
In the years since, Levy's role in Wisdom's life has evolved from trainer, to mentor, to brother.
"He's been there. He understands the struggle. Not just in a black way, in a financial way. In order to give back he has had to give all of himself," Mairri said of Levy, who started his training business out of his car.
"That gentleman deserves the best in life. He really does. I'm 47 and that man has taught me how to be a better person. The connection is deep, really deep. He has made my son a better human being, a better athlete, a better brother, a better person all around."
Wisdom credits Levy for teaching him how to act like himself, instead of like everyone else.
"(Levy) probably had it worse. If he's been through that then I can get through it too," Wisdom said. "I can call Derrell any time of the day or night and he would pick up for me. If I need advice about anything, he's one phone call away. He was my first trainer and he's going to be my last trainer. He has been there all my life and I'm going to be there for him."
In Wisdom, Levy sees a kid who has always had a chip on his shoulder but has learned to use it in the right ways.
"It's not always pleasant. I push him hard. But it's all love," Levy said. "He's very protective of his mom and his brother. He has always been a father figure for most of the years. But he's got a lot internally that he bottles up."
There were times when Wisdom would feel like everyone was out to get him and Levy would be the one to reign him in. Today, Wisdom tells things to Levy that he feels he can't tell to anyone else.
"Being of ethnic background, being a minority, he has dealt with some things early in his career. Being in an environment here where there's a bunch of hockey players that have gone on to play high-level hockey, being able to see what these guys go through and how to conduct yourself and harness things the right way — not just from me but his peers — makes him feel safe and feel at home and be who he wants to be," Levy said. "It's one place where he can let down his guard."
When Wisdom once had a problem with a coach and his ice time, Levy would ask him what he was doing with the shifts that he was getting?
"I always speak of life lessons. If he can't deal with it now, he might as well pack it in. Think about yourself and what you want and how you're going to change your life," Levy said.
"Instead of thinking big picture all the time, let's take each small picture and go from there. He's got to take it day by day and step by step and make those small goals and go for them one at a time. He has had success doing that so it motivates him to keep staying on that path."
There have been some bumps in the road, though. People in Wisdom's inner circle tell stories of nights spent in the car after it ran out of gas on the way to a tournament.
In his OHL draft year as a 15-year-old on the minor midget Toronto Jr. Canadiens, Wisdom was 5-foot-9 and 225 pounds. Despite finishing second on one of the country's top AAA teams in scoring, concerns about his weight contributed to a fall to the Kingston Frontenacs in the fourth round.
"People didn't really know what to do with him. And so much of it was just baby fat. But then you see his weight and it's like 'Holy shtein,'" Federico said.
"I'm not saying it's their fault at all because they don't know which way it was going to go. If they're looking at him as a first- or second-round draft pick and he's going to be 250 pounds, if it goes the wrong way, he's not going to be able to play. We knew how driven he was and his commitment and it wasn't like he was eating pizza and candy all the time. It's an easy bias for people to say 'He's big and it's not going to work.'"
It took a push from Levy to help Wisdom turn the corner.
"He had a lot of built-up anger and felt like everybody was against him. It shocked him when he was picked and I would be like 'what gives you the right to think like that?' and I think he felt like I was picking on him. He would push the sled and he would have tears in his eyes and I would say 'Keep pushing, take it out on the weights' and he found that stress relief and I was like 'Are you good now? Are we OK now?' and he would be like 'I'm good, let's get it,'" Levy said.
"That's all part of it, is mentally adapting and compartmentalizing what's going on ... to focus on what he really wants to do, which is to be a pro hockey player. Always come back to that."
In the summer after the OHL draft and before his rookie season, Levy helped Wisdom lose 15 pounds.
"It sucked. It was hard going into the OHL draft and dropping and having to grind my way back up. But I always told myself, 'Sleep on it. Sleep on me. I want you to doubt me,'" said Wisdom. "I've been doubted my whole life and it didn't stop me then, so why would I let it stop me now?"
The Frontenacs selected Wisdom in part because of his size. After contending the year before, they were entering a rebuild without their second- and third-round picks, so he was their second choice in the draft. They picked him because they knew, physically, that he could step right in against bigger competition. Darren Keily, now the team's general manager, who'd watched him closely, was surprised that he was still around in the fourth round.
"He could fly around the ice. That was the key for us, was this is a young man who was engaged physically, he's not afraid to go to the dirty areas and he could skate so well for a stocky player," Keily said.
Though the Frontenacs didn't know what to expect from Wisdom in his first training camp, he sold head coach Kurtis Foster from the very beginning. While the production didn't follow, Wisdom became the player Foster turned to whenever he needed a hole plugged in the lineup.
"We need a guy to play on the penalty kill? Let's give Wis a chance. We need a guy in front of the net on the power play? Let's give Wis a chance," Foster said.
The Frontenacs picked Wisdom 73rd overall in the 2018 OHL draft. (Terry Wilson / OHL Images)
At the end of his first season in the OHL, though, as Wisdom prepared for his NHL draft year, he'd posted just 10 points in 60 games and wasn't on anyone's radar.
When the 2019-20 season began, Wisdom wasn't one of 374 names on NHL Central Scouting's players to watch list.
But after losing another seven pounds in the summer, and after a training camp push from Frontenacs staff when he wasn't at his best, everything began to change. The Frontenacs decided to pair him with exceptional status rookie sensation Shane Wright and he never looked back.
"When Shane went to Kingston, I talked to Zayde and I was like 'This is perfect, this is it, man,'" Federico said. "He was going to have every person in the hockey world coming through that building in the next few years. It was like 'if you're ever going to do it, this is it.' For all the talk in the hockey world about how accepting it has become, Zayde's old school. He's playing to feed his family in the future. That's what his mentality is. He carries that with him."
By the time NHL Central Scouting released its midseason ranking, Wisdom ranked 90th among North American skaters. And as the points started racking up, so did interest from NHL clubs.
Keily and Foster weren't surprised. They knew that his production in his rookie season had more to do with their teardown than his play.
Whenever someone questions the 59 points in 62 games that followed for Wisdom this season, his coach and general manager fight for him. When NHL teams ask whether his success was a product of playing with Wright, and later star import Martin Chromiak, they insist the opposite. Foster calls Wisdom his most consistent player. And the rest of the OHL seemed to agree. When the league released its year-end coaches poll, Wisdom ranked third in the Eastern Conference's most improved player voting.
Keily argues the Wisdom-Wright partnership was a mutually beneficial one.
It was Wisdom who, when Wright took a high stick in Erie or a hit from behind against Mississauga, grabbed players who were four inches taller than him to defend his teammate. And it was Wisdom who got the puck to Wright so that he could make all of those plays.
"It's an interesting dynamic. I think they mesh really well together. Zayde's lucky to play with Shane but I think Shane's game took off when he started playing with Zayde too," Foster said. "And the way he sticks up for his teammates is second to none. Everyone knows he's got your back. Regardless of his size, he's got a lot of jam and he's going to make sure whoever he plays against is going to have a tough night. He's the straw that stirs our drink. Everybody else follows suit."
According to Foster and Keily, you'd never know where Wisdom came from.
"I know it wasn't the easiest childhood. But he never shows it, he never talks about it, he never complains about it," Foster said. "It must be motivation for him. It just shows the character that's in the kid when you get to know him and where he came from."
Wisdom believes that character has everything to do with where he came from, though.
"I grew up seeing a lot of bad stuff. Just seeing everyone around me having to fight for what they have, seeing that growing up and my mom and my grandma having to do that, and even random strangers on the street having to do that, it just stuck with me," Wisdom said. "When I go on the ice, I have to fight for it. I have to earn everything I have. I've been doing it my whole life."
As Wisdom's life began to change directions on the ice, it slowly turned a corner away from it, too.
In recent years, Anies has re-entered Wisdom and Zaccarya's life in a big way.
"Me and my dad have a really close relationship right now," Wisdom said. "Growing up he wasn't there that much because my parents were going through it but now he comes to most of my games and he'll come see me in Kingston and I can call him anytime and he'll come pick me up. Growing up it was tough but now we're on good terms and even him and my mom are on good terms."
Family means everything to Wisdom. He calls Kitty, who still lives with them, a "massive, massive help."
"I don't give her enough credit and I should," he said.
Levy is included in that family, too. Wisdom and Mairri have agreed that whether he makes it in hockey or not, they will someday help another child go through programs with Levy.
"(Zayde's) circle is tight. It's very tight, it's small and it's loyal. Neither of (Zayde and Zaccarya) will forget where they came from," Mairri said. "Regardless of all of the struggle, what people gave us has outweighed what people tried to take. But the struggle was real. It was really real. We did without a lot, a whole lot, in order to get Zayde to where he is.
Wisdom tries to be for Zaccarya what Levy has been to him. "Anything you have a problem with, you come to me," Wisdom often tells his little brother.
"We've fought and battled a lot but we always knew that we were the only ones who were for sure going to be there for each other so we would never turn our backs on each other. And our mom and grandmother were always there too to help guide us and teach us along the way," Wisdom said. "We're probably the closest you can get as a family. The closest ever."
"I feel like I've always known he had this in him," Derrell Levy said. (Jessica Silveira Photography)
These days, Wisdom and Mairri say they have a lot to be thankful for.
"It's not always going to be this difficult," Mairri said. "It's starting to get better."
Mairri believes things couldn't have turned out any better for Wisdom than they did with the Frontenacs.
Life in Weston is starting to take a turn, too.
"It's a great little community," Mairri said. "When Zayde was younger it was a tough, scary spot but we've always lived here and it's starting to look up."
Though their circumstances have improved, Mairri is still working four different part-time jobs for merchandising companies. When Christmas, Easter and Valentine's Day come around, she has to work seven days a week.
The last two years have been filled with a lot of late-night drives between Weston and Kingston.
"Emotionally, they still need support. Zayde still needs family," she said.
Wisdom is spending his offseason training privately with Levy and preparing for the draft. Wisdom and Wright are also in constant communication about what they can do to be better for next year and he says they have big plans to be the best line in the OHL.
Everyone else is just happy that he's happy.
"I feel like I've always known he had this in him," Levy said. "I always tell a story about teaching people how to starve. If you don't eat for a week and you put a piece of meat in the middle of the room, what will you do to have that piece, to have another day on this earth? He's got that eye of the tiger, that fight, and once I saw that I was like 'OK, he can take this pretty far.' We just like to feed the wolf, as we say."
Asked to describe her son, Mairri took a deep breath before answering.
"He is a success," she said.
If race or wealth or anything else ever stood in his way, she says it never stopped him. And she doesn't see any reason why it ever will.
The next barrier he plans on knocking down is the draft, which he says means something different to him than to all of the other kids.
"It would mean a future to me. I look it as a need, not a want. I need to get drafted. That's what I need to do. This isn't an option for me. It needs to happen because I need to be able to help my mom out and get through this with my family. It's one word to sum it up. Need," Wisdom said.
"I'm going to make it one day and I'm going to make sure our power never gets shut off again."
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