Wojnarowski (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtGMgYO4Jtiy9eKFEbaOmzc5nYcB?slug=aw-brown042610)
Larry Brown = President
Milt Newton (Wizards exec) = GM
Mike Woodson = Head Coach
If Woodson doesn't leave Atlanta, Brown will coach again.
lol what
larry brown is gonna just be president? not gonna want to make the decisions and actually coach?
ok.
The last thing I want is him as a GM of this team. You can forget having any young players playing significant minutes on your team, and expect giving up multiple draft picks for older vets. This is the same guy that traded for Jerome Moise and gave up a first round pick, then tossed that away for another 1st rounder or some shtein for Derrick Coleman. Then another 1st for Kenny Thomas and so on. You cant put all the blame on Billy King, as Im sure Brown had his fair share of input.
You want to coach, thats fine...but in charge of player personnel decisions and the belief he'll be here long term...absolutely not.
Got that right.
His personnel decisions have been atrocious.
snider and the rest of the organization think larry brown is a golden god. if he wants back, hes got the keys to the team to do what he wants.
which is frightening, but slightly more reassuring than another year of ed stefanski running the sixers even further into the ground than they already are
its larry brown of course but he said emphatically last night that he would not coach anywhere but charlotte...and he said it multiple times
if youre gonna get rid of stefan then bring back billy king...the debacle all started when he was fired prematurely....he had a plan to get into this summer and be able to sign a max player and they were headed that way until he was let go and instead of staying the same course stefan panicked under the pressure of having to make a big splash and signed brand
I didn't hear that, I heard him say he's going to sit down with Michael and talk to his family. He said something similar when he left the Sixers for the Pistons.
And lol at even entertaining the notion of bringing back King. I'm not saying Stefanski is any better but King was horrible.
actually king was pretty good...but more importantly he had them headed in the exact direction they needed to go...if he is still around they could be getting a max player in a couple months
King was horrible, he outbid himself on player contracts. His trades were terrible too. No doubt in my mind he would have used the cap space to sign either Smith or Brand when the money was available. Him and Stefanski are basically the same GM, they suck at contracts but are good when it comes to drafting players.
well then hes a liar...hes said since the day he was let go that he had a plan that he was going to stick to and that plan was to shed salary until this summer no matter how bad it made them
of course he had a plan. everyone has/had a plan after they get canned....and Im sure the fans would've saw they real deal billy king afterward right?
billy king stunk and his rap sheet of negatives far outweighed the positives.
Billy The King wasn't as horrible as it seems. He was hamstrung by the shtein ass contracts and personnel moves made by Larry Brown.
Did he make mistakes? Yes. The Kenny Thomas contract was terrible. But he's not the fall guy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2010, 10:01:06 AM
Billy The King wasn't as horrible as it seems. He was hamstrung by the shtein ass contracts and personnel moves made by Larry Brown.
Did he make mistakes? Yes. The Kenny Thomas contract was terrible. But he's not the fall guy.
pretty much 100% on point
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2010, 10:01:06 AM
Billy The King wasn't as horrible as it seems. He was hamstrung by the shtein ass contracts and personnel moves made by Larry Brown.
Did he make mistakes? Yes. The Kenny Thomas contract was terrible. But he's not the fall guy.
Larry Brown told him to sign Dalembart and Green to those ridiculous contracts and to trade for Chris Webber? I agree he wasn't as horrible as he seems, but the thought of bringing him back is cringe worthy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2010, 10:01:06 AM
Billy The King wasn't as horrible as it seems. He was hamstrung by the shtein ass contracts and personnel moves made by Larry Brown.
Did he make mistakes? Yes. The Kenny Thomas contract was terrible. But he's not the fall guy.
Pretty much. Not to mention I can see why upper management didn't like that plan (if there even was one). No way Snider would let him sit on $20 million of cap space while the team sucked and the arena was empty. In the grand scheme of things I'd rather rebuild with young guys and add a superstar to the mix, but we all know that's not how Snider does things (see his other team).
like I said, Brown had his fair share of input...but Brown was not on the 3-way calls with other GMs around the league telling them "we will give you future first rounders for...".
brown tells him what players he desired, king sold the farm to get them. his creativity and negotiating skills as a gm were very below average. no thanks.
Snider calls the Yahoo story total BS (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100427_Sixers_chairman_Snider_denounces_Brown_report.html)
so...press conference next week?
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2010, 09:29:20 AM
King was horrible, he outbid himself on player contracts. His trades were terrible too. No doubt in my mind he would have used the cap space to sign either Smith or Brand when the money was available. Him and Stefanski are basically the same GM, they suck at contracts but are good when it comes to drafting players.
They both can thank DiLeo for the drafting.
so, eddie jordan withdrew his name from the rutgers job, stating he feels he is better suited to coach in the pros. i am sure this news pains diehard.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100428_76ers_set_to_woo_Brown_as_coach.html
QuoteThe 76ers are poised to contact Larry Brown about their coaching vacancy, but they apparently have little interest in offering Brown a front-office position overseeing player personnel decisions, an NBA source with knowledge of the Sixers' thinking said on Tuesday.
as the sixers turn
may 18th cant get here soon enough
problem with the draft is I have no idea outside of the top 4 maybe 5 top prospects there is for the sixers to choose. they need a sg in the worst way, and besides maybe wesley johnson who is more likely to play the 3, your next best bet is james anderson from OSU.
if they go center, no way in hell I would want them to get Cole Aldrich and Whiteside is way too raw with so many inefficiencies in his game. only real shot at the C position might be to hope Cousins falls to them and he shifts over
just the sixers luck as this could be the single worst draft ever for sg's..and thats not hyperbole
in general its a pretty terrible draft and because of that id go with whiteside...boom or bust type guy but his boom potential has a huge ceiling...and he would theoretically be coming into his own when brand is leaving...in the meantime he can learn and play defense for a couple years
the other position they really need and have needed forever is a antonio davis type PF...i dont wanna farging see wirey Hoydas at the four like moreese or thad...give me a thick cut six nine or ten guy who will punch people in the mouth and just worry about rebounding and defending...it would change this team overnite...where they sit tho offers no options
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2010, 12:04:29 PM
the other position they really need and have needed forever is a antonio davis type PF...i dont wanna farging see wirey Hoydas at the four like moreese or thad...give me a thick cut six nine or ten guy who will punch people in the mouth and just worry about rebounding and defending...it would change this team overnite...where they sit tho offers no options
this x's infinity
if their goal is to go really young in their backcourt with Jrue, the other guy they might scoop is 19yr old Xavier Henry...nice scorer, but the big complaint on him right now is his ball handling ability. Im sure he can get better being he is so young, but if he can only grow marginally in that department, the sixers basically are back to another guy who cant create his own shot. he becomes avg at best.
and Id punch the tv if they go with Whiteside. The guy weighs like 230lbs with weights on his feet. Unless he gains 40lbs--which will never happen due to his frame, he will get murdered deep in the paint. Hes all defense. The Sixers already have that guy--his name is Sam Dalembert..and you see where that got them. Id rather trade the pick and work out a trade of some sorts if it comes down to that.
putting dalembert's name in the same paragraph with anything that remotely claims he has talent is grounds for a court ordered suicide.
henry couldnt take me off the dribble
you havent seen whiteside play if you think hes all defense...right now he is but there might not be two draftable guys on the planet right now that have nba post moves...however his offensive upside is ridiculous...like jahvale mcgee he will put on weight as well
id way rather have him and take my chances in hitting a home run than hope ed davis or greg monroe become a good nba player
they are getting a top 3 pick
dont worry about it
here we go again
doug collins contacted
Sixers are interviewing Avery Johnson
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100430_Source__Sixers_to_meet_with_Avery_Johnson_about_coaching_vacancy.html
the post game pressers would be priceless.
Should've hired him the first time.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5157587
I am not sure how I feel about Collins possibly taking over. I guess its better than Larry Brown. But I prefer Avery Johnson or an up and coming assistant.
I was talking to a guy today about Mike D'Antoni...he's locked in up in NY, but we were wondering if his style and system would fit the 6ers roster.
What do you all think?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100505_Add_Portland_assistant_Williams_to_Sixers__interview_lineup.html
I wouldn't mind that, I would rather see some new blood than a guy like Collins.
i actually would really like larry brown as coach...just to teach these guys how to play defense
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/05/are-you-kidding-me-sixers.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2010, 11:54:31 AM
i actually would really like larry brown as coach...just to teach these guys how to play defense
lol am i the only one who gets this?
Jasner was on WIP this morning saying Snider asked him for some feedback on how to improve the sh*tty culture surrounding the franchise. Jasner says he wants "the next Andy Reid" in terms of an up-and-coming coach and recommended to Snider that he visit San Antonio to see why they've been great for the last 10 years and turned out decent hires elsewhere in Sam Presti, Danny Ferry and Mike Brown. Sounds like he's on the Budenholzer bandwagon...
or the tim duncan and greg popvich bandwagon
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2010, 12:22:20 PM
or the tim duncan and greg popvich bandwagon
haha - for real.
why is phil jackson such a great coach? duh.
are you saying sam presti wasnt the reason the spurs won four titles?
Quote from: Rome on May 05, 2010, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2010, 12:22:20 PM
or the tim duncan and greg popvich bandwagon
haha - for real.
why is phil jackson such a great coach? duh.
Obviously Phil Jackson is no slouch, but he's had some of the games greatest on his rosters which will make almost any coach look good. However, I've always felt the area where Jackson excels and other coaches come up short is the way he handles his star players. With the Bulls, you had Jordan and Pippen for the duration and then Rodman was thrown in the mix for the 2nd 3-peat. Most coaches wouldn't be able to handle those personalities. Same goes for the Laker squads, especially with this current group. Kobe, Odom, Gasol and Artest is a lot of "star" power for a team. There's only 1 ball to go around and Jackson has always been able to get his star players to buy into what he's selling. Ego pretty much gets checked at the door and his players sacrifice personal stats for championships. That's no small feat in today's pro sports world that's full of primadonnas, drama queens and attention whores who are more focused on their next contract than the one they're currently playing on.
i dont completely disagree...jacksons personality goes a long way with his players...but read the jordan rules and youll see that mike was who kept all those players in line...best believe scottie pippen doesnt refuse to go in a game if jordan was on the team at the time
jackson could do nothing to contain the kobe shaq beef
and as far as todays team goes artest and odom at this stage of their careers are complete role players and gasol has never been a take charge guy which is why they got him since he will acquiesce to kobe at all times
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2010, 01:11:52 PM
are you saying sam presti wasnt the reason the spurs won four titles?
not saying that, but look at what he's done in OKC so far...
im sure hes a fine gm...but the spurs won four titles because of tim duncan with an assist from pop...the rest is just coincidence
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 05, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/05/are-you-kidding-me-sixers.html
QuoteHey, here's a thought, cut off Hip Hop's foot and take that.
:-D
yea really
all you need is a coach who doesnt suck, then actually go out and build a good team.
what they have now is a mediocre team and a coach who sucked worse than an igy bathroom session after a trip to mcdonalds
Well, there's embarrassing and then there's thoroughly humiliating...
Quote"It's just not the right situation for him at this time,'' was all that was offered by Steve Kauffman, Jackson's agent.
The Sixers had been trying to schedule a meeting with Jackson, but Jackson sent word Tuesday that he was trying to determine whether he wanted to proceed. He informed Kauffman today of his decision. He is expected to interview for the New Orleans Hornets job, and is hopeful of being contacted by the Los Angeles Clippers and possibly the New Jersey Nets.
When a guy is hopeful of being contacted by the Clippers and refuses an interview with your team, you know your franchise has reached the abyss.
Thunder Dan and Bill Laimbeer scheduled to interview.
I actually looked because I thought you were farging around. I wouldn't mind Laimbeer because he was such a dirty player and at least they'd play with some balls.
Oops. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Laimbeer_Majerle_Added_To_76ers_Search.html
In my above post I was acknowledging you weren't farging around
And Bill has a history with coaching women, so there's that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2010, 08:46:49 PM
And Bill has a history with coaching women, so there's that.
Ha!
I was literally just typing the same thing.
Good shtein, dude.
Quote from: Rome on May 08, 2010, 08:48:01 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2010, 08:46:49 PM
And Bill has a history with coaching women, so there's that.
Ha!
I was literally just typing the same thing.
Good shtein, dude.
:-D
You're in my head!!
lol - they're interviewing Monty Williams on Monday too.
(http://big5.wallcoo.com/sport/NBA_Philadelphia_76ers/images/williams1_1024.jpg)
Quote from: SD on May 08, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
In my above post I was acknowledging you weren't farging around
I know...just adding the link for convenience.
dood!
jrue will represent in Secaucus
Jrue is a nice player, but sending him to the lotto is stupid. It's basically saying that he's the "franchise player" which I don't think he is or ever will be. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is bound to be Iguodala II.
I think it has more to do with giving a young guy an opportunity for some spotlight.
He is the most promising young player they have and with this team that is something.
Time will tell. I think it's sending the wrong message but I guess we gotta wait and see.
you are reading wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much into it
its the draft lotto
seriously what message good or bad could this possibly send
shut up braves fans
go eat jason heywards butt, gump
Quote from: KDS on May 11, 2010, 01:11:23 PM
shut up braves fans
go eat jason heywards butt, gump
wrong thread?
Nah, he posts that in every thread.
He meant to post it in the Ask Brent forum.
no i dont want philly haters around here
dook lives to whine and lives to hate and be a miserable bastich about the teams he supposedly loves. hes in my top 5 most hated people ever and also my top 5 most loved. he drives me crazy, i just cant sleep. im so excited, im in too deep.
Eskin says Collins will be hired within the week
(usual Eskin jokes here)
Can't say I would hate Collins. He's much better than Jordan. I'm a bit surprised he'd leave the booth to take on this mess.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 17, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Eskin says Collins will be hired within the week
(usual Eskin jokes here)
When The Big Update says it, it's gonna happen.
Don't like the choice. Don't dislike it. I only dislike that Stefanski is still employed to make the decision after the Jordan debacle.
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9648/lotterypie.jpg)
Tomorrow night?
Flyers playoffs and Sixers lottery and Phils game (albeit against Pitt and Kendrick is starting)?
Nice night. LOL
Halladay, not Kendrick
Halladay pitches tomorrow?
Wow, so its a Halladay/Flyers game 2/Sixers lottery night.
awesome.
and on his bobblehead night (if those things are still popular)
I'm not sure how I feel about Collins being the coach.
Not my first choice, but I don't hate it.
im gonna farging miss the lottery because of a stupid hockey game
sunny starting with pick 9 down to pick one text carp with the results
What time is the drawing?
espn @ 8
say please
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2010, 08:11:17 AM
im gonna farging miss the lottery because of a stupid hockey game
sunny starting with pick 9 down to pick one text carp with the results
at least you're not going to miss it for a Tesla concert
Quote from: SunMo on May 18, 2010, 08:40:42 AM
say please
dammit.....please
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 18, 2010, 08:41:29 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2010, 08:11:17 AM
im gonna farging miss the lottery because of a stupid hockey game
sunny starting with pick 9 down to pick one text carp with the results
at least you're not going to miss it for a Tesla concert
lol...excellent point
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 18, 2010, 08:41:29 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2010, 08:11:17 AM
im gonna farging miss the lottery because of a stupid hockey game
sunny starting with pick 9 down to pick one text carp with the results
at least you're not going to miss it for a Tesla concert
http://www.youtube.com/user/teslatheband?blend=1&ob=4 (http://www.youtube.com/user/teslatheband?blend=1&ob=4)
don't hate.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2010, 08:38:55 AM
espn @ 8
There is a chance that it could be intermission. Too much good shtein as far as sports tonight on TV.
T-MINUS 6 HOURS UNTIL JOHN WALL IS A SIXER
Quote from: KDS on May 18, 2010, 02:18:02 PM
T-MINUS 6 HOURS UNTIL JOHN WALL IS A SIXER
I like your attitude.
J Rue was on 97.5 earlier with Bruno and Mays, the real Philly sports talk station.
So they're sending him to the lottery in hopes of him being there to win the #1 pick and draft his replacement?
No, the plan is to get the #1 overall and trade it for a guy like Roy Hinson. (even though he's already on the team in the form of Elton Brand).
nbadraft.net has sixers taking cousins at the 6
dont like that one bit
they need a 2 guard. bad.
Quote from: SD on May 18, 2010, 02:54:11 PM
J Rue was on 97.5 earlier with Bruno and Mays, the real Philly sports talk station.
^ this
HOLY farg
Holy shtein! lol
Evan Turner bitches.
Man I thought they had the #1 pick, but I will certainly take Evan Turner.
soooooooooooo close
oh lord
maybe the bullets are still committed to glibert and dont want wall? or fall in love with turner at the nike camp?
guaranteed Turner or Cousins....love it
I'd be happy with either, I don't think any team except maybe Minnesota would pass on Wall. Evan Turner is a hell of a consolation prize.
i think in the end (and now it will be debated ad nauseam) turner will be a much better pro than wall..but i'd take either with quickness
When the Nets popped up at 3 I thought they had it. Oh well, Turner or even Cousins >>>>>> Aldrich or Orton.
I like Cousins a lot but I sure hope they don't pass on Turner for him. This team needs a scorer and a reason to get rid of Iggy.
lol @ cousins, easy
hes way to flaky to be considered
wes johnson is the only person who has a shot to climb past turner. or, dc falls in love with turner and wall slips down.
can turner play the 4? hes most likely gonna be a 3, right? because really, do we need to build a team with iguodala as the 2?
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mo
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jrue
thad
lou
its getting there
Turner would be a 2, not a 3
and Cousins has the size for the NBA.....there's just questions about his work ethic because he was always better than everyone
Chad Ford's early mock:
1 Wall
2 Turner
3 Favors
4 Johnson
I think Cousins will be good in the NBA but Turner was widely considered as good if not better than Wall until the last month or so of the year. Not sure how they could pass on him.
Turner can play the 1 thru 3. I wouldn't lol completely at Cousins, he certainly has ability and teams often fall in love with big men. Again I would not even consider taking him over Turner.
The Sixers are obsessed with Turner. He's a lock.
Turner is a no-brainer
Turner is quite the consolation prize (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/nba-draft-lottery-evan-turner-is-quite-the-consolation-prize.php)
Quote from: King Cole on May 18, 2010, 08:48:23 PM
The Sixers are obsessed with Turner. He's a lock.
And where did you hear that?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on May 18, 2010, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: King Cole on May 18, 2010, 08:48:23 PM
The Sixers are obsessed with Turner. He's a lock.
And where did you hear that?
The Big Update
aka (Howard "the insider" Eskin)
hes 6-7, 210
thats 3 size. if he can shoot well i guess he can stick at the 2, but how in the farg is egomaniac me first loser iguodala gonna take this? not well.
Turner shoots well, though his NBA range is supposedly a question mark. As far as iguodala get him out of here asap.
i just dont see him as an effective 2, long term. he can play there with the right lineup of course, but generally you want him playing with jrue and a wing guard.
of course this brings back the horrid stefanski regime where he didnt pull the trigger on that igy/sammy for tmac deal at the deadline. icehole.
That to me would be his best spot. Either way since Wall won't be there he should be the pick, this team needs a scorer and he will be.
He can slash really well too and has good ball handling in traffic, which next to no one on this team has.
Wow. fargin awesome
Now get a coach in there so he can evaluate and have input.
Who cares about the coach at this point its all about the draft.
Did anybody just see Stefanski with Dei Lynam? He was straight giddy.
i will be straight giddy when snider fires him
agreed
Evan Turner Naismith Player of the Year Candidate Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ajaaDDjT8&feature=related)
Great news to wake up to in Muenchen. But the Wizards will take Turner.
I've read that rumor as well, guess they're trying to work it out with Arenas. Wall is the is the more talented player so they're in a win/win situation. They can either try Jrue out at SG or trade him.
Quote from: Die-Hard on May 18, 2010, 08:35:11 PM
i think in the end (and now it will be debated ad nauseam) turner will be a much better pro than wall..but i'd take either with quickness
no chance...i dont even love turner...hes good at everything but not quite good enough at anything...his handle will be suspect in the nba and hes not a great shooter...plus he lacks athleticism...he will be good at almost everything for a long time...but hes not anything special and i actually thinks his skill set is more small forward than it is two guard
i see him as a better scoring shane battier
if anyone really likes the nba or actually watches it, print igy's post out and put it in your drawer. then pull it out 5 years from now and watch how hard you laugh.
and here we go.
Im sorry..but that post was going so much in the wrong direction I had to put a stop to it.
i know nothing about the guy, but IGY's post is classic IGY, covering both sides of his argument. "He could be great, or he coudl be nothing"
Good at everything + suspect handle + not a great shooter + not athletic = will be good for a really long time but isn't anything special.
all i know is that igy said rondo would be god...and he his
igy>>nba scouts
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 19, 2010, 10:03:43 AM
i know nothing about the guy, but IGY's post is classic IGY, covering both sides of his argument. "He could be great, or he coudl be nothing"
actually i didnt even come close to saying that
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2010, 10:07:36 AM
Good at everything not great at anything = will be good for a really long time but isn't anything special.
yup
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 08:10:45 AMi dont even love turner...hes good at everything but not quite good enough at anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2010, 10:28:57 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 12, 2010, 01:55:37 PM
Evan Turner just hit an unreal GW shot.
ive seen ev all year and dook is insane.....
well since Ray Allen and Reggie Miller aren't available at #2, who do you want since Wall won't be there?
i'd wet myself if the wiz stuck with gil and drafted turner at 1.
i'm honestly not all that much more excited at #2 than i would have been at 6, i think after wall there's a huge drop off, including turner. i'd still take him at 2 over any of the bigs but i don't think he's a can't miss at all.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 19, 2010, 10:52:15 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 08:10:45 AMi dont even love turner...hes good at everything but not quite good enough at anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2010, 10:28:57 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 12, 2010, 01:55:37 PM
Evan Turner just hit an unreal GW shot.
ive seen ev all year and dook is insane.....
well since Ray Allen and Reggie Miller aren't available at #2, who do you want since Wall won't be there?
im guessing you know the difference btwn a great college player and a great nba player
and where did i say i didnt want turner at two
settle down easy
i dont think 2 = 6 like matty said but i pretty much agree with all else he had to say...id much rather have turner than cole aldrich...but people have turner and wall like 1 and 1a and i just dont see that
There definitely is a difference between the college and pros, but I think Turner's game translates well into the NBA. The comparisons to Brandon Roy are fair imo. If that is the kind of player he ends up being....that is pretty damn good.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0519/nba_g_draftlottery_576.jpg)
ha
how awesome is this russian nets owner. hes not going away and hes going to be amazing.
Funniest Russian since Yakov Smirnoff
QuoteThe losers this time were the Minnesota Timberwolves, who fell from second to fourth. Sacramento (No. 5) and Golden State (No. 6) also tumbled -- the second straight year the Kings went the wrong way in the lottery.
The Kings went from first to fourth last year, but did end up with Rookie of the Year Tyreke Evans -- who represented them Tuesday. So maybe the Nets shouldn't lose hope.
The NBA draft is June 24 in New York.
Philadelphia brought its own lucky charm, a used hockey stick from the Philadelphia Flyers' rally from 3-0 down to stun the Boston Bruins in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference semifinals. Still looking for a coach after firing former Wizards coach Eddie Jordan, they stand to grab either Turner or Wall.
"We had a rough year," team president Ed Stefanski said. "We feel that our talent was better than our record but we have to prove it now."
good fagan blog post on this...sorry igy, your 2 favorite boys might be finally out of here. if you need a shoulder to cry on, farg off cause i aint here.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Evan_Turner.html#axzz0oP42NIsY
also not to rain on the flyers parade or anything, but the sixers getting the 2 pick was bigger news than the win over the frogs. just throwing that out there....
less than 24 hours after the draft lottery they are already pushing season ticket sales. ha.
if you are on the wachovia center events email list you should have it..
With just a 6.03 percent chance of landing the No. 2 overall pick, the Philadelphia 76ers defied the odds and will select second in the 2010 NBA Draft!
Philadelphia 76ers season tickets for the 2010-11
season are on sale now with lower-level tickets starting at just $23 per game!
Sorry jewy.....no one really cares about the 6ers right now in Philly. When the Flyers season is done maybe.
but I also know you're just saying that because you know it's wrong and you enjoy being a pain in the ass, so...just throwing that out there.
you couldnt resist the low dangling fruit could you.
why is someone who hates basketball even in this thread
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 19, 2010, 03:18:43 PM
you couldnt resist the low dangling fruit could you.
I'm no match for the snake and his apple.
I was just half-humoring him though...I knew why he said it.
IGY-Big difference between hating basketball and hating watching basketball/NBA.
last time i checked the sixers were in the nba...oh and no one cares about them....so please leave thread and dont come back
Igyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy relax broseph.
Yup, as of right now, no one cares about the 76ers. They suck, and every time they suck, the city more or less forgets about them. They have the ultimate fair-weather following in this city.
It's exciting they got the 2nd pick. But right now the city's team is in the middle of its season, and the other team at the Wach is 2 wins away from being in the finals. The 76ers aren't even a tremor at the moment.
Wow good to see murp
Unfortunately even he can't stop farging munson from ruining yet another thread
I'm talking basketball/Philly sports sweetheart. Whether it's stuff you want to hear or not.
You're talking about me.
Which do YOU think is ruining the thread?
you hate the nba and the sixers...why are you here
go the farg away douchebag
I'm here because I want to be.
Why are you here?
And I don't hate the sixers....They're the local team and I'll cheer for em.
Who cares about who cares about the Sixers other than the people in this thread? The people in the thread do and it's all that matters.
I think the Nets owner is one of the people in 24 trying to assassinate Jack Bauer.
Quote from: King Cole on May 19, 2010, 04:04:12 PM
Who cares about who cares about the Sixers other than the people in this thread? The people in the thread do and it's all that matters.
I think the Nets owner is one of the people in 24 trying to assassinate Jack Bauer.
That's what I thought. Todd thought it'd be a good idea to bring it up again though.
The Nets owner scares me.
Quote from: King Cole on May 19, 2010, 04:04:12 PM
Who cares about who cares about the Sixers other than the people in this thread? The people in the thread do and it's all that matters.
because there should at least be one place on the entire board that people can go to to get away from munsons all consuming douchebaggery and this was supposed to be mine
That's what I meant. Coming in here to tell the people here who like the Sixers that no one cares about them is pointless. It's like those morons who call into radio stations and say "stop talking about the _____, no one cares about them." Ok then go some place where people talk about what you want to talk about.
People here like the Sixers and want to talk about them getting the best pick in 13 years. It doesn't matter if they are irrelevant. Actually, the fact that they were irrelevant makes this pick even more exciting. The franchise has life now.
oh my bad i thought you were saying who cares if munson hates the sixers
I never said stop talkin about em. Todd wanted to bring up the flyers vs sixers talk in this thread, again, so I humored him. At the expense of IGY of course, which just makes it enjoyable.
I only said no one cares about em at the moment because it's more or less true, even though todd thinks it's bigger news than the flyers right now. I think once the Flyers tank, the sixers/nba draft will take back 3rd place again. Especially since they lucked into the 2nd pick.
If you are a Sixers fan how could you not care? Getting the #2 pick is huge especially with a guy like Turner likely to be on the board.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
why is someone who hates basketball even in this thread
Probably for the same reason you post in the Phillies thread.
Getting excited for the 76ers draft right now for me is like getting excited about the Eagles regular season during October of 2008. There's bigger stuff going on right now.
Once the Flyers season ends, it'll probably hit me like "oh, they've got the 2nd pick. nice. maybe they can get back to relevance now." I'm not an NBA fan at all but when the 76ers are good, it's a fun bandwagon to hop on.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on May 19, 2010, 04:24:32 PM
If you are a Sixers fan how could you not care?
didnt you hear no one cares
not even the numerous people at the flyer game last night who were following the lottery on their cell phones and goin nuts as they continued to move up
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2010, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
why is someone who hates basketball even in this thread
Probably for the same reason you post in the Phillies thread.
i think you mean the no hippo johnson...which is an entire farging board that ive somehow been able to never post in one single time...yet cranial lump cant stay out of one single thread about a topic he doesnt like
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2010, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
why is someone who hates basketball even in this thread
Probably for the same reason you post in the Phillies thread.
i think you mean the no hippo johnson...which is an entire farging board that ive somehow been able to never post in one single time...yet cranial lump cant stay out of one single thread about a topic he doesnt like
Yeah, that was actually just a joke about how you hate the Phillies.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 18, 2010, 03:40:28 PM
I wish we could have more of these conversations.
The only way we could actually have more of these conversations is if we all start creating new threads for igy/munson/mexijew to defile.
The best and most obivous way to do that would be to start a thread called the "No MA jokes or hyperbole"
They'd both post there, and then I'd post there just to piss them off. And then we can have more conversations like this.
As annoying as it is when certain people feel the need to respond to every one of your posts with "die, rape basement, trailer park, you're awful as a human being"-type comments, it's equally just as annoying when you respond in kind to them because it always ends up with a few of you wasting 3 or 4 pages and making my eyes bleed with the same tired responses over and over again.
The 3 of you deserve each other more than any of you realize.
haha I generally just ignore it all, but IGY has made it so apparent that I easily get under his skin, that it's hard to resist pissing him off in exchange for his constant obsessive posts about me.
Todd reminds me of Alan from The Hangover, just copying Phil (IGY) at every turn.
evan turner is currently on the real philly sports station.
I can't stand the Sixers or this thread and even I got a little excited at the Sixers getting the second pick.
Turner or Wall is going to be a huge pickup for them. At least they have a decent shot at finding their way out of the hell they've been in for the past several years. Let's hope Stefanski doesn't farg it up, though.
DNL seems to think that Turner is a foregone conclusion. Did anybody else notice last night how happy Jrue was last night that they got the #2 pick? A back-court with Turner and Jrue. :drool
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2010, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2010, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
why is someone who hates basketball even in this thread
Probably for the same reason you post in the Phillies thread.
i think you mean the no hippo johnson...which is an entire farging board that ive somehow been able to never post in one single time...yet cranial lump cant stay out of one single thread about a topic he doesnt like
Yeah, that was actually just a joke about how you hate the Phillies.
not as much as phreak
Now if we can get another lotto pick over the next couple years then we are back in business. Turner will definitely go a long way to help though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 06:56:17 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2010, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2010, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
why is someone who hates basketball even in this thread
Probably for the same reason you post in the Phillies thread.
i think you mean the no hippo johnson...which is an entire farging board that ive somehow been able to never post in one single time...yet cranial lump cant stay out of one single thread about a topic he doesnt like
Yeah, that was actually just a joke about how you hate the Phillies.
not as much as phreak
lol
hate 'em!!
wow, did i see someone actually sneak in a post about the, subject ? :o
Quote from: smeags on May 20, 2010, 09:25:44 AM
wow, did i see someone actually sneak in a post about the, subject ? :o
not that i care even a little bit about a message board staying on topic but what does the above have to do with the sixers
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2010, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: smeags on May 20, 2010, 09:25:44 AM
wow, did i see someone actually sneak in a post about the, subject ? :o
not that i care even a little bit about a message board staying on topic but what does the above have to do with the sixers
I think the word "wow" was referring to the Sixers getting the 2nd pick.
deflection is cool.
carry on boys.
from the inky today...
Quote
The No. 2 pick, however, is a little trickier. "Especially if it's Evan Turner," said former Sixer Jim Jackson, an Ohio State and NBA star and now an analyst for the Big Ten Network. "If you look at Turner's growth from where he started as a freshman to how he's evolved now, it's been great. His versatility is his asset. There ain't too many guys who can do all the things he can do."
But . . .
"His size, his work ethic, his knowledge of the game are all his strengths," Jackson continued. "He's a lot like Joe Johnson in that all those things can make him an all-star, because he just knows how to play. But [Turner] is not seen as a tremendous athlete, and a lot of his success came from him having the ball in his hands. So what it really may come down to with him is what system he's playing in, and whether that system works for him."
Did anyone get that?
Turner didn't lead the Buckeyes last season in every statistical category that matters - points (20.4), rebounds (9.2), and assists (6.0) - because he's some high-wire act comparable to Scottie Pippen or, more accurately, a silky-smooth guard like Brandon Roy. Turner excelled because the ball was in his hands, because coach Thad Matta put him at point guard. If he didn't have to run off screens to get the ball at Ohio State, what makes anyone think he'll be interested in doing so for Andre Iguodala and Jrue Holiday? Or, worse, Lou Williams, who may never want to pass him the ball?
"That's a pretty darn good question," said one team executive with a lottery pick Tuesday. "It's definitely one I'd be asking myself if I were the Sixers."
Scouts would not disagree.
Three of them gave analyses of what they thought of Turner's game, and the reports were practically identical.
They were impressed with Turner's averaging 20.1 points, 8.3 rebounds, and 5.9 assists against Big Ten competition last season, especially after he missed six games and overcame two fractured bones in his lower back. But the two triple-doubles he recorded meant little to the scouts because they were against Alcorn State and Lipscomb.
The scouts focused on Turner's impressive midrange shooting. His good hands. His craftiness and his basketball IQ. The problem is NBA teams also focused on his lack of speed and athleticism, along with questions about his long-range shooting. His struggling defense struggles because of suspect lateral movement is also a minus, particularly for someone considered an NBA 2-guard.
"Ask anyone and they'll tell you Turner is the No. 2 pick," one scout for a lottery team told me. "All-around, he's the second-best player in the draft. But Wesley Johnson is a better athlete, defender, and shooter. He actually might be a better pick if it were not for questions about his man-to-man defense, since Syracuse plays that matchup 2-3 zone all the time.
"Derrick Favors could be a star power forward in this league. And you don't teach the agility and size DeMarcus Cousins has on him, although there are questions about his discipline for playing hard all 82 games. The Sixers are in a very interesting position."
That is one of the few negative things I have seen about Turner, though that wasn't really that negative. I wouldn't be disappointed with Johnson or Cousins.
I just think Turner is a Grant Hill (pre-injuries) type player, he doesn't necessarily wow you with one aspect of his game yet he just keeps getting the job done.
its hard to really say much negative about turner....especially when his floor is so high...his negative is that he probably wont ever be a great player
even when talking about his negatives...can he take people off the dribble in the league can he shoot well enough at the two...you are talking about them in terms of them preventing him from being an all star not causing him to be a bust...at his worst he will be a really nice bench player for a long time
lol a nice bench player
this coming from the guy who was hoping for a rainout in a world series game so he could watch this pos teams home opener
you suck at EVERYTHING
and you have become an insufferable homer
when someone says the WORST a player can be is a really good bench player and you get offended its time to turn in your fan card
no YOU are in the insufferable sixers homer and here you are before evan turner steps foot on an nba court, talking about hows he gonna come off the bench
thats the funny part
you are this guy
Quotei dont care....i will still love them forever
godfather
brusier brand
dre dog
sweet lou
ill will
the kid
ITS ON!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2010, 12:53:34 PM
its hard to really say much negative about turner.......his negative is that he probably wont ever be a great player
???
Quoteespecially when his floor is so high
???
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 20, 2010, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2010, 12:53:34 PM
its hard to really say much negative about turner.......his negative is that he probably wont ever be a great player
???
when a player who is picked that high cant be great i perceive that as a negative
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 20, 2010, 01:16:25 PM
Quoteespecially when his floor is so high
???
high floor = the worst he can be is still a solid player
Quote from: KDS on May 20, 2010, 01:15:39 PM
no YOU are in the insufferable sixers homer and here you are before evan turner steps foot on an nba court, talking about hows he gonna come off the bench
thats the funny part
you are this guy
Quotei dont care....i will still love them forever
godfather
brusier brand
dre dog
sweet lou
ill will
the kid
ITS ON!!
i will always love the sixers no matter what...but that doesnt effect the way i evaluate one of their draft picks
your 'evaluations' historically have been worse than chris wheelers announcing
stick to making fun of munson and talking about the wire, cutie pie
first you tried to say i was saying that turner will be a bench player...which you realized was 100% wrong
then you tried to say because i like the sixers it is impossible for me to not love their draft pick...which you realized is 100% ludicrous
after after you realized both of these things made you look silly you go on the attack.....in short...you are a clown on a cole type level
it was never an attack, dumby
you were hating to hate which is astounding considering your unmatched level of homer man love for the sixers
thats all it ever was, and like always, you take anyone remotely questioning your evaluation skills as an immediate threat and go on the offensive with borderline insensitive comparisons to cole. even though hes actually gotten a lot better.
questioning my eval skills is fine and fair and about the 10th on the list of things youve gotten wrong in the past three posts
should have just started and ended with that
im pretty the only thing "wrong" with the last handful posts is that they happened
I hope this lovers spat the 2 of you are having right now goes the way of Ike and Tina.
hes mad at me because im not throwing tempertantrums over the phillies
im mad at him because hes cheating on me with ed stefanski
how do we fix this
Suicide pact?
not until the lost finale
Quote from: rjs246 on May 20, 2010, 02:10:00 PM
Suicide pact?
Quote from: KDS on May 20, 2010, 02:13:42 PM
not until the lost finale
lol
Turner is without a doubt the bpa at #2 so you take him and hope he develops. If they're serious about hiring Collins as a fan I'm aboard. There's not a better candidate out there and he knows how to develop guards.
I can't emphasis enough the need to trade Igoudala. They should have traded him years ago before his extension. He's not the type of player you build a team around so what's the point of having him here? Thad is more than ready to fill his role.
It seems like these days it is always those young super athletic/agile players who everyone says has this super high ceiling. When players like Brandon Roy, Paul Pierce, Dwyane Wade come into the league as already very good players, but no one expects them to be superstars. Evan Turner is a damn good player and I see no reason why he can't be a star in the NBA.
Just to compare him to someone like Iguodala, Iguodala averages 20 a game and he came into the league with sloppy handle, below average jumper and limited offensive tools and he can score well. Turner does everything offensively better except his vert. There isn't ant reason why he can't get even better either.
also turner wont be as insufferable to look at
(http://www.phillygameday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/iguodala_andre.jpg)
Collins agrees to terms with the Sixers
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Collins_Agrees_To_Coach_The_76ers.html#axzz0oWHqRqeM
no chance he sees all 4 years
I don't get the Collins hire. He hasn't coached in eight fargin' years and he was about as mediocre as it gets when he did coach.
I know it's slim pickings out there but really...
I don't hate it like I hated the Jordan hire. But I don't love it like I'd love an Avery Johnson hire.
Meh. Turn this team around, Dougie.
As for the pick at #2...
I'm not sold on Turner yet. He makes me nervous. I lean a little towards one of the big men first, Johnson, Cousins or Favors.
Why couldn't Kevin Durant be available again at #2?!
Collins hasn't had a winning season as an NBA head coach since 1996.
But hey, he used to be a Sixer, so it's all good.
Had to hire him quick before Old Man Snider remembered he runs a basketball team too
The best thing I can think for collins is the guys around the league respect him. But that was as an outsider.
And to be fair those 2 yrs in dc were destined to fail. Mj ran the show, come on.
I'm not loving it but I'm not head over heels. At best he's dileo with what should be a much better team
I think he's better than DiLeo.
Not better than Mo or Larry.
Better than Randy Ayers, Chris Ford, Johnny Davis, Jim O'Brien and Eddie farging Jordan.
It's funny you mentioned Jim O'Brien because that's exactly who I was thinking of when I read the press release.
Old school. White. Disciplinarian. "Well respected"... blah, blah, blah.
20 year old black kids from the hood are gonna laugh their asses off at Collins. And the veterans are gonna roll their eyes at the hire because they know it's just another stop gap for the Sixers.
They had a shot to get a guy like Avery Johnson and blew it. AGAIN.
I agree that they should have gone with Avery. Hell, he should have had the job last time.
I read that he's apparently hanging out to snag the NO job. But it doesn't look like it will come to him.
lol @ avery
if hes so good why hasnt any team scooped him up? phreak and rome must know something every other nba and college team doesnt know. hmmmm.
collins is not o'brien. he had a unique style that was only conducive when he had players who fit his mold. antoine walker jacking up 3's, AI running around and not even worrying about defense--thats what he did. plus he was a fleshpop that rubbed everyone, white and black, the wrong way. thats why he got canned.
collins is not that kind of dude. since i know rome doesnt actually watch basketball, he wouldnt know that every single member of the usa bball team went over to personally shake collins hand after they won gold. why? he was on the 1972 team that was screwed out of a gold medal by the commies. all of those guys had enough respect for him and that team and the history to go and do that. if collins was an a-hole or just some run of the mill guy, that doesnt happen.
now its a farg load different going from aloof, friendly announcer to coach, but this team is so lost and so in need of some kind of direction that an old school hard ass might just work. he can get them on the right track. not saying this is the core thats gonna win them a title. but, maybe collins will come in and clean house and kick iguodala out. he is mine for life if he does that.
Quote from: Rome on May 20, 2010, 10:27:58 PM
It's funny you mentioned Jim O'Brien because that's exactly who I was thinking of when I read the press release.
Old school. White. Disciplinarian. "Well respected"... blah, blah, blah.
20 year old black kids from the hood are gonna laugh their asses off at Collins. And the veterans are gonna roll their eyes at the hire because they know it's just another stop gap for the Sixers.
They had a shot to get a guy like Avery Johnson and blew it. AGAIN.
Win.
No but seriously, Johnson is overrated. Speaking of blowing it, he blew a 2-0 lead in the Finals to the Heat and blew a 20 point lead in game 3, and blew their load in game 6 at home. Also he can't speak a word on ESPN without blowing slobber out of his mouth.
If Collins sucks then we get another chance at a good draft pick and Stefanski is fired.... win.
If Collins is good then Holiday, Turner, Speights, Meeks and whoever is left from the rest of the roster will develop and the Sixers will be fun again.... win.
I don't see a downside here.
It's cute when Cole & MDS agree on something. Too bad you two can't agree on a suicide pact.
thats the 2nd suicide pact joke today
also good job refuting the point, skipper
collins could be just what the sixers need, he also could not be what they need. He could be the one to take them to the promise land, but he also could be worse then vinny d for the bulls.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on May 21, 2010, 02:24:57 AM
collins could be just what the sixers need, he also could not be what they need. He could be the one to take them to the promise land, but he also could be worse then vinny d for the bulls.
This post is borderlne igy
im hyperbole king but also wishy washy
good stuff
Making huge statements while simultaneously covering your ass so you can always claim to be right is just part of your charm.
collins is a great hire, he has a career over .500 winning % and has a history of turning teams around and developing guards.
lol at not better than Mo. i love Mo as a former player, but he was an awful coach.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 21, 2010, 08:32:34 AM
Making huge statements while simultaneously covering your ass so you can always claim to be right is just part of your charm.
Is that what they're calling it these days?
Quote from: rjs246 on May 21, 2010, 08:32:34 AM
Making huge statements while simultaneously covering your ass so you can always claim to be right is just part of your charm.
cant do both...but id love to see one if you can find it
just to be clear what you are looking for is a definitive statement that isnt to definitive?
Other posters, who are obsessed with you and everything you do, quote you talking out of both sides of your mouth with relative frequency. I don't care enough to find quotes, but I don't think there's a lack of evidence.
because there are none
people just dont understand that you cant always make a definitive statement on every single thing you analyze...sometimes you just have no idea and sometimes you have a feeling but not a strong one...then other times youre like lock it IN
its amazing that i even have to explain this stuff...its called LIFE
instead of a no hippos board we just should have started an IGY board where all his obsessers could hang out and leave regular threads alone
no way...the no hippos board was the best thing to happen to CF since the new reply notification
Quote from: SD on May 21, 2010, 03:45:04 AM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on May 21, 2010, 02:24:57 AM
collins could be just what the sixers need, he also could not be what they need. He could be the one to take them to the promise land, but he also could be worse then vinny d for the bulls.
This post is borderlne igy
:sly that was the point
except if thats what i thought then i would have written that i have no idea how good a coach hes gonna be
press conference is on WIP now.
it was weird watching the Lakers/Suns last night and thinking, hey that guy talking is the Sixers coach
good quotes by collins, especially the stuff about igy working best at the 3 and thad and the 4
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Video_76ers_introduce_Doug_Collins.html#axzz0osGBh8Nn
Guy with sources on RealGm is saying Turner is the pick. They've tried to offload Green, Dalembert, and Kapono but have had no takers, even for salary dumps. More than likely they'll play out the season then use their expiring contract money. Igoudala isn't currently being shopped. The team wants to have a center in place for when Dalembert leaves. They like Kansas Center Cole Aldrich who is probably a top 10 pick. The team might part with either Thad or Speights if they can get their hands on him.
per chad ford...
Now it looks like the Sixers are leaning toward Favors, according to what I was told by a credible source familiar with coach Doug Collins' thinking. Turner isn't a great fit next to Andre Iguodala. And while Cousins is a perfect fit in the middle, the team has some concerns about his on-court attitude. That leaves Favors, who has as much upside as any player in the draft. His measurements out of Chicago are virtually identical to Dwight Howard's -- which means he should be just fine playing center. All of this can change once players undergo individual workouts and interviews, but from what I can gather, Favors has the lead if the Sixers decide to keep the pick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 27, 2010, 07:51:59 AM
per chad ford...
Turner isn't a great fit next to Andre Iguodala.
so what, trade Iguodala then.
in terms of becoming a better team the problem there is that turner very well might never be the player iguodala is..like i said turner doesnt have much upside...why trade a guy who is already a very good player for a rookie who might never be anything and whose ceiling might be iguodala
as a money move it would work if you could get some expiring deals back for iguodala because youd be replacing iguodalas money with a rookie contract
what kind of player is he though? he's always been touted as this "jack of all trades" that can get good numbers in most stat categories. all i see is a guy with no jumper, below average handle, and severely overrated as a defensive player. where is the allure to hang on to him? the only thing that makes a little sense is that you want to see what a good x's and o's coach like collins can do with him, but otherwise, i think we've seen the best of iggy
yeah iguodala is what he is...but thats still pretty good...plays good defense and gets you 18 6 and 5 each night
now thats possibly what turner may get you as well as they are similar players but you already know what iguodala is...turner also has the possibility of not being an nba starter
i dont really have any problem swapping the two as a money move...all im saying is i dont think turner will ever be a significantly better player than iguodala and probably not even as good
i just can't believe willie green is still on this team. it's totally irrational but he's my most despised philly athlete in the last 10 years. got that huge contract and has never done anything.
i wouldn't let go of thad or maurrrrrice for aldrich, but am OK with them taking favors or cousins over turner.
I like Turner, although there are questions about him, but if he's not the choice I hope it's Favors, I just think he has the highest ceiling.
i think cousins upside is probably the biggest in the draft but he could also implode...if i cant get wall and they arent going for turner id take him..altho id have no problem with favors either
Quote from: phattymatty on May 27, 2010, 10:34:37 AM
i just can't believe willie green is still on this team. it's totally irrational but he's my most despised philly athlete in the last 10 years. got that huge contract and has never done anything.
i wouldn't let go of thad or maurrrrrice for aldrich, but am OK with them taking favors or cousins over turner.
willie green would be a very good option coming off a bench in the nba...and at 3.5 mil per thats not a lot at all...people hate him because hes actually started numerous games for the team...but thats not his fault its because they havent had a friggin legit shooting guard since hersey hawkins
If they haven't had a legit shooting guard since then, they haven't had a legit basketball player at any position.
if they are seriously considering not drafting turner because of iguoldala then i dont know....
not that turner is michael jordan but we know what we got in andre and it aint something that needs to stay
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 27, 2010, 08:55:37 AM
yeah iguodala is what he is...but thats still pretty good...plays good defense and gets you 18 6 and 5 each night
now thats possibly what turner may get you as well as they are similar players but you already know what iguodala is...turner also has the possibility of not being an nba starter
i dont really have any problem swapping the two as a money move...all im saying is i dont think turner will ever be a significantly better player than iguodala and probably not even as good
I don't really think the two are that comparable. I think Iguodala is a way better athlete and I think Turner probably will be a legit NBA scorer.
I like Turner a lot, but you can't knock them if they take a big man with tons of upside.
they are similar in that they are the same size they both do everything well but nothing great and its questionable whether turner can play the two in the nba (we know iguodala cant)...thus you may end up with basically the same small forward
was reading the scouting reports out of chicago and came across this
Greivis Vasquez, Sr., F, Maryland: Vasquez was the ACC player of the year, so he was hardly a non-factor during the conference season. But he has been poorly tossed to the back of the line because he's a senior, and he wasn't billed as the quickest or the hotest name among point guards. He's behind John Wall, Evan Turner (yes, he has to have the ball in his hands to be effective, so put him in with the point guards), Avery Bradley and Eric Bledsoe.
just one scout saying this but if its a prevailing opinion it lends weight to them going in a different direction and taking one of the big guys
whatever they gotta do to keep iguodala happy, im for it
now there is a player you can build around
i dont know where you get iguodala out of all that....the point is they have jeru...and if they believe turner is more suited as a lead guard then they obviously arent going to take him
because i hate iguodala and everything is his fault
also i just cant see any coach playing a 6'7 dood at the 1
i dont see it either but that commentary if coming from an nba scout...otherwise i wouldnt have even posted it
Guy with sources:
QuoteThere is a guy every year that drops due to character issues or coachability. The Sixers brass is predicting that person is Cousins.
I think Favors goes 3 and Wesley Johnson 4. Either Aminu or Monroe goes 5...I dont know that we will try and trade back up for Cousins if he keeps dropping past 6 but its something to keep an eye on.
no chance
in a strong draft he might drop a little but not this year
and there isnt a consensus top three pick that drops every year...a guy that should go end of lottery or teens usually drops into the 20's
$10 Cousins doesn't go top 3
sure why not
on top of that $1000 he goes top five?
he'll go top 5
What would you part with to land him if he didn't? Thad and/or Speights + future 1st?
yeah id definitely do either...to have a really promising young pg AND a potential stud center would be almost to good to be true
video of Turner in the Sixers locker room, answering a couple of questions (http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2010/06/16/100616turnermov-1349849/index.html)
look test fail?
he looks like a gay sherlock holmes
ET profile in todays daily
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/top_sports/20100617_Sixers__probable_draft_pick_Turner_has_overcome_adversity.html?page=1&c=y#axzz0r7klBOHy
(http://media.philly.com/storage/dailynews/covers/back.jpg)
i actually didn't realize he led the big ten in rebounding too.
loved how David Falk says our roster is full of idiots
Quote from: phattymatty on June 17, 2010, 12:04:20 PM
i actually didn't realize he led the big ten in rebounding too.
1st - scoring
T1st - rebounding
2nd - assists
3rd - steals
6th - shoot %
Chad Ford reporting Sixers trade Sammy D to Kings for Nocioni, Hawes.
Two big ugly white guys? WHAT A DEAL
just a disgustingly stupid deal
nocioni is a 3 right?
thad, iggy, and nocioni. you would have think one is on their way out
nocioni is a bench player....hes gonna be 31 when the seasons starts and hes garbage...if they move one of them for him i will lose it
i dont get why you make this trade...godfather is the best player in the deal and has one yearleft on his deal....do you trade him for five years worth of deals attached to zesty players
i hate sammy d but this makes absolutely no sense unless thad and or iggy are gone
youre about to get some cap relief for him, but nocioni still has 2 years left on his deal. what. the. farg.
nocioni's contract had to be taken to make the money work for hawes. basically, they wanted hawes for better or worse. he's a young guy, so i think he can develop, who knows though.
its only 6 mil, its not crippling but its still something.
and btw, it's not saying much, but nocioni is instantly their best shooter
nocioni has three years left and hawes two....if peiople thought willie green or sweet lou were overpaid...wait till this lunch bucket comes to town
the deal to me looks like the kings were dumoping nocionis salary and the sixers took it on the get hawes...i admittedly have not seen a lot of him...but from everything ive heard hes just another stiffy big guy...maybe eddie loves him...i hope hes right because this is hideous if hawes doesnt turn into a player
Quote from: SunMo on June 17, 2010, 02:26:33 PM
and btw, it's not saying much, but nocioni is instantly their best shooter
actually hes probably like their 5th or 6th best shooter...hes a brick layer
43% from the field and 38% from 3, that's not brick layage
iggy: 46% from field and 32% from 3
swee lou: 43% from field and 32% from 3
thad: 50% from field and 32% from 3
jeru: 44% from field and 39% from 3
Ford thinks this trade means they're passing on Turner and going for Favors instead (dumb), but he's been saying this ever since they got the 2nd pick. I'd be surprised if it went that way...
Quote from: SunMo on June 17, 2010, 02:38:40 PM
50% from the field and 33% from 3, that's not brick layage
thats hard to believe...i didnt look at his %'s but ive seen him play a lot and all he does is bulldog his way to the basket and knock down the occasional open jumper...hes just not a shooter
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 17, 2010, 02:40:48 PM
Ford thinks this trade means they're passing on Turner and going for Favors instead (dumb), but he's been saying this ever since they got the 2nd pick. I'd be surprised if it went that way...
how would this trade effect turner in the slightest...if you dont think turner can play the two then you trade iguodala or thad or you dont take turner...this deal has no effect on either of those scenarios
i wanna farging smash rob ellis in the face...hes keeps farging saying that he likes the trade because it was time to move the godfather then follows that up with how he had one year left on his deal
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 17, 2010, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: SunMo on June 17, 2010, 02:38:40 PM
50% from the field and 33% from 3, that's not brick layage
thats hard to believe...i didnt look at his %'s but ive seen him play a lot and all he does is bulldog his way to the basket and knock down the occasional open jumper...hes just not a shooter
yeah, i was looking at the wrong stat line...he's 43% from field and 38% from 3
Hawes is an okay young player, I'd have rather of let Sammy's deal expire to free up some cap space rather than taking on a stiff like Nocioni. A majority of the people in the area are in favor of this move.
thats because people are idiots and dont know anything about the trade except they dont like godfather
they only possible way you can like or validate this deal is if you think hawes is going to be a good starting center in the nba...i just havent seen enough of him to make a determination...im guessing the answer is no because you dont just give away good young centers in this league
I think this is a Doug Collins move. I got a hunch from his presser that he wasn't a Sammy fan at all and probably asked for a young center to develop.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 17, 2010, 03:20:57 PM
thats because people are idiots and dont know anything about the trade except they dont like godfather
they only possible way you can like or validate this deal is if you think hawes is going to be a good starting center in the nba...i just havent seen enough of him to make a determination...im guessing the answer is no because you dont just give away good young centers in this league
My old room mate lives in the Bay area, he roots for the Lakers, but watches the Warriors and Kings and roots for them when its convenient. I asked him about Hawes and he said he's alright. Nothing special. And you're right, people just wanted Sammy gone. That mindset was fine 3 years ago but now that his deals almost up it makes no sense taking on more salary. I think it's time for Ed to go.
I thought Ed was great because he's a philly guy who loves talking to 610?
i like this deal because it shakes the team up, i know that Dalembert had an expiring contract, so that makes it imperative that Hawes becomes some sort of contributor.
i understand what you guys are saying about the cap space, but that value might have been minimized because of how far over the cap they are or would be at the end of the year. his contract might not have cleared as much as we thought it would.
no one knows what the cap is going to be in 2011...a good guestimate is 55-60 mil
before this trade sixers would have had a minimum payroll of approx 35 mil
now it will be at least 46 mil
the big year to look forward to is the summer of 2013 when right now they have zero players under contract
I can't stand Dalembert but christ this is a stupid trade....one year left for some garbage.
I wouldn't call Hawes garbage, but he's not a future star either. Honestly, I hope Iggy's out the door next, and they go into full on rebuild mode. Let the young guys develop, wait till Brands contract comes off the books, and sign a guy then. It's not like attendance is going to suffer.
dont they have to go into at least half rebuild mode before they go into full rebuild mode
trading for a 31 year old with three years left on his deal for an expiring contract doesnt shout out rebuild to me
Once Igoudala is gone they go into full fledged rebuild mode. They'll never win shtein with him so I don't know what the wait is. Nocioni and Brand's contracts expire at the same time, can you see the future?
They will trade those guys once their contracts are about to expire for some guys that have years left on theirs.
To me this trade would seem to point to the fact they are definitely going to take Turner, they got a young center in return. Ford seems to be one of the few that thinks otherwise.
Ford is a dumbass.
Nocioni has 2 years left. The team won't pick up the 3rd.
One step closer to me jumping back on the Sixers bandwagon!
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 17, 2010, 04:58:53 PM
To me this trade would seem to point to the fact they are definitely going to take Turner, they got a young center in return. Ford seems to be one of the few that thinks otherwise.
that might make sense if they were gonna take cousins who plays in the pivot like hawes...but ford says they want favors...who is more of a four and could play along side hawes
but besides that i still see no way this effects their draft pick...its not like they traded for bogut...maybe im wrong but i just cant believe they think that highly of hawes that he would dictate who they took in the top three...if they picked 17th or something maybe you dont take hawes position
I don't see it affecting the draft either.
I wasn't a huge Dalembert fan, mostly because his basketball IQ is about as high as MDS', but its at the point now where you have to hold onto him because of the expiring contract.
I remember the Sixers really liked Hawes leading up to his draft so the move makes sense based on that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 17, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 17, 2010, 04:58:53 PM
To me this trade would seem to point to the fact they are definitely going to take Turner, they got a young center in return. Ford seems to be one of the few that thinks otherwise.
that might make sense if they were gonna take cousins who plays in the pivot like hawes...but ford says they want favors...who is more of a four and could play along side hawes
but besides that i still see no way this effects their draft pick...its not like they traded for bogut...maybe im wrong but i just cant believe they think that highly of hawes that he would dictate who they took in the top three...if they picked 17th or something maybe you dont take hawes position
I didn't see too much of Favors but most things I have read he is projected to be a Dwight Howard type player. That would seem like a 5 to me. Not to mention I haven't heard any Philly media think the Sixers will take anybody but Turner.
Dei Lynam seems to think it is a foregone conclusion and she usually has a pretty good pulse on the Sixers. Like you said this trade really doesn't have any bearing on what they will do in the draft.
The only way Turner isn't a Sixers is if the Wizard take him or trade the pick, or the Sixers are blown away with an offer. David Stern approaching the mic is just a formality at this point. There's no way they take Favors.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 17, 2010, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 17, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 17, 2010, 04:58:53 PM
To me this trade would seem to point to the fact they are definitely going to take Turner, they got a young center in return. Ford seems to be one of the few that thinks otherwise.
that might make sense if they were gonna take cousins who plays in the pivot like hawes...but ford says they want favors...who is more of a four and could play along side hawes
but besides that i still see no way this effects their draft pick...its not like they traded for bogut...maybe im wrong but i just cant believe they think that highly of hawes that he would dictate who they took in the top three...if they picked 17th or something maybe you dont take hawes position
I didn't see too much of Favors but most things I have read he is projected to be a Dwight Howard type player. That would seem like a 5 to me. Not to mention I haven't heard any Philly media think the Sixers will take anybody but Turner.
Dei Lynam seems to think it is a foregone conclusion and she usually has a pretty good pulse on the Sixers. Like you said this trade really doesn't have any bearing on what they will do in the draft.
favors is much more athletic than howard...he makes howard look really stiff...favors is very long compared to howards compactness...favors is more in the mold of a bosh or stoudamire...hes a classic pf
fwiw id def rather have favors than turner so if they do go with him im all IN
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/06/17/kings-s...-for-dalembert/
QuotePhiladelphia and Detroit discussed a deal that would have sent Tayshaun Prince to Philadelphia along with Charlie Villanueva and the Pistons' seventh pick in the draft for Elton Brand and the Sixers' second pick. Collins and the Sixers, however, wanted more in return.
Pass...although getting Brand off the books is tempting
guy with sources:
QuoteHawes is projected as the starter at center. Can he lose that job in camp? sure.....but Brand is gonna play PF and Hawes at center..thats the plan..Brand may get some minutes at center when they go small and depending on matchups
The deal was a "no brainer" due to:
1)Luxury Tax implications
2)Dalembert had become a locker room issue and they thought this was good value to let him go now instead of end of year.
3)Sacramento was the only team willing to pay his trade kicker and came at us aggressively about this.
Collins loves Hawes (compared him to a young Brad Miller) and thinks Nocioni is very useable. He is a scrapper. Stefanski was concerned about nocionis contract and Collins told him he will be worth it. He thinks both will earn regular playing time. They felt the young center they got here was better than any they could have gotten in the draft(cousins or favors wasnt an option after getting turner)
Now that we got another SF...carney wont be back.
Thad could still go for Aldrich..otherwise they may just try and get a guy in 2nd round like Jordan or trade Kapono for a vet center.
Toronto deal wont happen because Jarrett Jack wants to start and he wont here. Plus with Meeks and Nocioni and for now Kapono..we have enough shooters.(dont need belinelli)
Indy deal for Foster still may happen(perhaps for Kapono). dont know about the #10 pick.
chances are slightly less than thad gets moved based off getting their center of the future without him.....but they definitely would move him for aldrich.
Final question I asked was the tayshaun prince offer true......he said yes but it wasnt close. Not giving up the 2 pick without a stud (overwhelming offer that they dont plan on receiving). They didnt want villanueva either.
Thats all for now....its 100 percent turner but they will do their due diligence with cousins,favors and wes johnson in next few days.
Got the feeling Aldrich,Alabi and Jerome Jordan were still very much targets
That Detroit deal is laughable.
I don't want Villanueva either.
Aldrich? Aldrich who?
Why would they trade Thad?
Why aren't they shopping Iggy?
Because Iggy makes $15M/yr and Thad makes less than a 5th of that...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 18, 2010, 09:21:07 AMAldrich? Aldrich who?
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/luke_winn/06/16/offseason.winners.losers/cole-aldrich.jpg)
nobody wants glasses mcgoo except for uncle hanover
still not sure why he was at the Phils/Yankees game last night.....he wasn't even wearing a Phils hat until PHL caught him, then he was wearing one an inning later
btw Thad is scheduled to appear at the Sixers draft party at the WachFargo
hmmm
http://www.nba.com/sixers/draft_turner.html
(http://www.nba.com/sixers/photos/six_draftsplash_turner_850x325.jpg)
Dei's predicting he'll wear #1 with Sammy D gone
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 18, 2010, 11:32:55 AM
hmmm
http://www.nba.com/sixers/draft_turner.html
Dei's predicting he'll wear #1 with Sammy D gone
Which link do you click on and find that?
no direct link...they did the page ahead of time so they can just throw it up at 8-whatever next Thursday
And this link... does NOT exist: http://www.nba.com/sixers/draft_favors.html (http://www.nba.com/sixers/draft_favors.html)
Quote from: SD on June 18, 2010, 07:39:46 AM
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/06/17/kings-s...-for-dalembert/
QuotePhiladelphia and Detroit discussed a deal that would have sent Tayshaun Prince to Philadelphia along with Charlie Villanueva and the Pistons' seventh pick in the draft for Elton Brand and the Sixers' second pick. Collins and the Sixers, however, wanted more in return.
Pass...although getting Brand off the books is tempting
tempting is right huh?
i dont think so either...but damn maybe right?
Manute Bol dead at 47.
well then cross him off the list
Quote from: SD on June 18, 2010, 07:39:46 AM
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/06/17/kings-s...-for-dalembert/
QuotePhiladelphia and Detroit discussed a deal that would have sent Tayshaun Prince to Philadelphia along with Charlie Villanueva and the Pistons' seventh pick in the draft for Elton Brand and the Sixers' second pick. Collins and the Sixers, however, wanted more in return.
Pass...although getting Brand off the books is tempting
has there ever been anything more tempting
Sudan life expectancy, 1962: 43.6 years
Manute beat the odds!
They worked out Wesley Johnson today and Collins was gushing about him.
Is he worthy of the 2 spot? Would he fit on the squad?
No, and moot.
dunno if any of this works financially, but here's a rumor floating around today:
Cleveland sends Mo Williams to Sacramento for Beno Udrih and #5
Cleveland sends #5, Danny Green and expiring contract filler (West and Telfair?) to the Sixers for Iguodala
Turner and Cousins would be amazing
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 20, 2010, 12:34:56 PM
dunno if any of this works financially, but here's a rumor floating around today:
Cleveland sends Mo Williams to Sacramento for Beno Udrih and #5
Cleveland sends #5, Danny Green and expiring contract filler (West and Telfair?) to the Sixers for Iguodala
Turner and Cousins would be amazing
holy shtein I couldn't do that deal fast enough
too good to be true
too good
I was just thinking the same thing, Ed where did you find that at?
realGM
QuoteMember of Cavs press here. Have good source that says Cavs, 76ers and Sac will be involved in a 3-way deal the day before or of the draft. Major pieces are Cle sending Mo to Sac for Udrih and 5th pick, then shipping 5th pick to Philly along with Danny Green and expiring package (mainly Delonte's non-guaranteed contract and Telfair) for Iguodala. Really more like 2 separate deals, unclear to me if Philly and Sac will be swapping any more pieces.
interesting move from the cavs end to get aggressive and give lebron someone to play with, but thats not really the focus here.
cousins, turner, thad, jrue
i suppose brand or the new center from sacramento rounds out the lineup but who cares. thats bonerific.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 20, 2010, 12:34:56 PM
dunno if any of this works financially, but here's a rumor floating around today:
Cleveland sends Mo Williams to Sacramento for Beno Udrih and #5
Cleveland sends #5, Danny Green and expiring contract filler (West and Telfair?) to the Sixers for Iguodala
Turner and Cousins would be amazing
Too good to be true.
But dammit, I hope it is. That would be awesome.
Collins added more ex-Pistons to his coaching staff....Michael Curry and Brian James
and the Nets are taking Favors #3 since they're convinced Turner is going #2
Any more rumors of Igoudala being dealt?
I'm still nervous about Turner.
Some days I get excited about a Holliday-Turner-Thad core, but other times I think he has a high probability of being a bust.
Talk sense into me, Turner fans.
nah, slow news night. We're still taking marblemouth #2
Why would you think he has a high probability of being a bust? He's arguably the safest pick in the draft. He can create his own shot at will and has a very good mid ranged jumper. Also he can pass, has a good work ethic, and plays hard on defense.
Perhaps its because there is not one thing that jumps out at me. I don't know, I just haven't caught the vibe on him yet. Usually I can find something to get excited about.
His ball handling should stand out immediately. Just to compare him to the last shooting guard who went in the top 5 in James Harden, Turner's ball handling is infinitely better. He has a variety of moves. Crossover, stutter step, can use a spin move off of either, uses the head fake well and can hit a jumper off all of his moves. He also is a great slasher and get to the rim. He can finish with either hand and is really good at mixing it up with a reverse or whatever he needs.
If you really are still nervous about him then I read earlier this week that all but 2 NBA teams have him ranked as the 2nd best player in the draft.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 21, 2010, 11:44:30 PM
Perhaps its because there is not one thing that jumps out at me.
because there isnt...his upside is not great but he will absolutely not be a bust...hes a more talented and higher scoring version of shane battier...high character guy that will do a lot things for you for a long time but isnt going to be a superstar
I believe it is a little early to say he doesn't have upside, he is only 21 and made major improvements each year he was in college. The fact that he has a great mid-range game makes him viable from day 1.
21 is actually pretty old for the nba draft but i dont think it has nearly as much to do with age as it does his talent and type of game he has
but thats not to say not having a high ceiling is a bad thing
Turner is already a Sixer
That being said I hope they don't stand pat. I have this bad feeling they're going to ship Thad somewhere which would be an awful mistake if Igoudala has as much trade value as has been rumored.
NBA scouts weigh in on merits of Wall vs. Turner
(http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100622_NBA_scouts_weigh_in_on_merits_of_Wall_vs__Turner.html#axzz0rbJd31mK)
Pretty good write up of Wall vs. Turner. Some scouts say they'd rather have Turner, others say he might not be that good. Some questions they raise about Wall as well.
Quote"Turner is not a 'two', is not a 'three'. He's a point. That's what he is. I have discussions with personnel people and media and I say, 'Guys, if you don't believe me, then you haven't watched him play.' At Ohio State, he had the ball in his hand literally 95 percent of the game
Quote"Has legit, prototype size for a 'two' guard at 6-7, the body, very intelligent with the ball," Stefanski said. "The biggest compliment you can give someone is he makes his teammates better and that's what he does. He goes left or right, slasher, finishes around the basket, going to have to keep working on his jump shot. All reports we get is that he's a gym rat."
But clearly not just a point guard in Stefanski's eyes.
"Can he play point guard? Sure," Stefanski said. "He can play 'two', he can play some 'three'. Handles the ball so well at 6-7, can go anywhere he wants on the court. I just think he's a basketball player. I think he can play any one of those positions."
One scout, who wished to remain anonymous, agreed with Stefanski.
"Evan is multitalented," the scout said. "He can play multiple positions for you. He can shoot, pass, dribble . . . Some people are saying he could be a Penny Hardaway/Grant Hill type, but he could also be a John Salmons type as well. That might be his ceiling. I don't know if he's an all-star."
So there's a consensus, at least in the people interviewed here, that he's a combo-guard who can also play some three. But one scout is firmly entrenched in the "he's a point".
So if he is really a point and flops at the two, what's the option?
I hope he's good defensively and can create his own shot, unlike Igoudala.
I don't think there is any question he can create his own shot. I like the Grant Hill comparison.....that is what I think he will be.
grant hill now is a very good comparison
grant hill coming out of college >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turner
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
grant hill now is a very good comparison
grant hill coming out of college >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turner
Grant Hill was a great player coming out, but there were questions as to how his game would translate into the pros. That was not an incredibly strong draft. I wouldn't put him hands down better than Turner, he was a team with a ton of talent. The same probably couldn't be said for OSU this past season.
Turner carried OSU. On the flipside (and I'm not saying I wouldn't take Wall #1 overall) Wall had 4 potential 1st round players on his team (DeMarcus Cousins, Eric Bledsoe, Daniel Orton and Patrick Patterson).
dont listen to hanover boy
hes hating to hate like he always does on his own squads. the sixers are back in the news, people are trying to get back to caring and hes angry about it.
:-D
I'm just glad there is least a slight glimmer of hope.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 22, 2010, 04:36:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
grant hill now is a very good comparison
grant hill coming out of college >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turner
Grant Hill was a great player coming out, but there were questions as to how his game would translate into the pros. That was not an incredibly strong draft. I wouldn't put him hands down better than Turner, he was a team with a ton of talent. The same probably couldn't be said for OSU this past season.
there really werent questions about grant hill....he was a complete package three...and you may not remember him pre injury but he was a freakish athlete...its not even close as to who was the better nba prospect
not a slam on turner just fact
and i dont care what kind of college team a player is on...that has nothing to do with how a players game will translate into the league
Quote from: KDS on June 22, 2010, 05:30:42 PM
dont listen to hanover boy
hes hating to hate like he always does on his own squads. the sixers are back in the news, people are trying to get back to caring and hes angry about it.
yeah saying grant hill was a better player coming out of college is such hate...were you even born in 1994?
i guess i hate jeru too since hes not as good a prospect coming out as jason kidd
I was 14 then so I may not remember it exactly but I don't remember him being a freakish athlete. At least not in comparison with the guys today. And while athleticism always helps...having a strong basketball IQ and solid fundamentals goes a long way.
That being said I take John Wall all day everyday because of his athleticism.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2010, 07:28:47 PMyeah saying grant hill was a better player coming out of college is such hate...were you even born in 1994?
i guess i hate jeru too since hes not as good a prospect coming out as jason kidd
youve been hating on ET since day 1. if the sixers had the 7 youd be all over his jock.
Grant Hill was on a fast track to NBA stardom before his injuries. He would have easily been one of the top 3 players n basketball. I wouldn't call him freakishly athletic but he did a little of everything very well. He was more polished than Turner is coming out of college. Turner has more size on his frame.
Quote from: KDS on June 22, 2010, 07:48:27 PM
youve been hating on ET since day 1. if the sixers had the 7 youd be all over his jock.
You hit the nail on the head
That might seriously be Todd's best and most accurate post ever.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 22, 2010, 07:36:49 PM
I was 14 then so I may not remember it exactly but I don't remember him being a freakish athlete. At least not in comparison with the guys today. And while athleticism always helps...having a strong basketball IQ and solid fundamentals goes a long way.
That being said I take John Wall all day everyday because of his athleticism.
there more to being an athlete tho than speed...i dont consider wall freakishly athletic...hes fast as farg with the ball...but someone like favors is much more athletic...wall has freakish basketball skills
and i agree about intangibles and things like leadership and basketball IQ...but grant hill also had them coming out his pours
for you youngins who dont remember him in college....if you can get by the awful top gun music this video has a lot of good grant hillm shtein...specifically starting at like 145....but especially 215 which is just crazy
dook just did sick shtein period...including an uncountable number of posterizations in college....also youtube his alonzo mourning dunk from the pros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCmP7lxi-PY
Quote from: KDS on June 22, 2010, 07:48:27 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2010, 07:28:47 PMyeah saying grant hill was a better player coming out of college is such hate...were you even born in 1994?
i guess i hate jeru too since hes not as good a prospect coming out as jason kidd
youve been hating on ET since day 1. if the sixers had the 7 youd be all over his jock.
your homertastic nature has blinded you...you really dont even know what hate is anymore...but just for jokes show me where ive hated on et...or is hate to you breaking him down and offering criticism
in your life you have called 1 thing and 1 thing only
rondo
otherwise you either way off or just blindly hating on your team as some kind of defense mechanism.
Quote from: KDS on June 22, 2010, 08:27:48 PM
in your life you have called 1 thing and 1 thing only
rondo
otherwise you either way off or just blindly hating on your team as some kind of defense mechanism.
not even close to true...but if it makes you feel better about yourself...rock on
negative chief
you arent welcome to the sixers parade and you sure as hell are barred from anything that has to do with the phillies
its over for you, son. youve got the eagles and hockey.
k
dont you k me
ill steal your wire dvds
He compared Evan Turner to Shane farging Battier. That's like comparing Allen Iverson to Rudy Gay. There just is nothing similar about the two. They play different positions and have totally different games.
id tell you to actually read what i wrote but it would be worthless as youre a half wit who cant read and deduce things like context and comparison...you just see two names and think i said they are the same player....
i dont even know why i talk basketball on this board...especially nba
simmons on the sixers pick
Quotesportsguy33:
Quick follow: If I were Philly, I'd try to move that No. 2 pick and move down to Minny's spot (who is pulling out all the stops to get a swing in this draft). They could end up with Favors/Cousins at No. 4 plus dump a salary on Minny plus pick up a couple of extra late No. 1s. Feels like Kahn would overpay to get Turner and Favors or Cousins might be better than him anyway.
i'm actually cool with that.
What is the % chance the Sixers do NOT take Turner at #2?
unless there's a trade, almost none.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 23, 2010, 01:47:37 PM
What is the % chance the Sixers do NOT take Turner at #2?
none...doug collins was on wip this morning and said they are taking him
Quote from: phattymatty on June 23, 2010, 01:45:48 PM
simmons on the sixers pick
Quotesportsguy33:
Quick follow: If I were Philly, I'd try to move that No. 2 pick and move down to Minny's spot (who is pulling out all the stops to get a swing in this draft). They could end up with Favors/Cousins at No. 4 plus dump a salary on Minny plus pick up a couple of extra late No. 1s. Feels like Kahn would overpay to get Turner and Favors or Cousins might be better than him anyway.
i'm actually cool with that.
that doesnt make much sense unless you were gonna dump iguodala for the #4 pick...iguodala AND turner for favors or cousins?
and possibly more picks in the 1st.
but i guess that's true, any trade likely involves him.
non lottery picks in the nba are slightly more valuable than second round hockey picks...and especially in this weak ass draft...turner may not be a great number two pick but with most people saying this is a two player draft that slot is pretty damn valuable and to package it with iguodala is crazy imo...
if minny truly wants a wing iguodala should more than suffice for that #4 pick
Looks like NJ is taking Johnson, not Favors. He has the same agent as Carlos Boozer and they think it could be a 2-for-1 deal...
So now it'll be Favors to MIN, Cousins to SAC, Monroe to GS and Ed Davis to DET.....top 7 set...
oh then no need to watch. thanks.
latest rumor (not from the source guy):
Iguodala and next year's 1st for #4 and Ryan Gomes if Johnson goes #3
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2010, 02:21:59 PM
Looks like NJ is taking Johnson, not Favors. He has the same agent as Carlos Boozer and they think it could be a 2-for-1 deal...
So now it'll be Favors to MIN, Cousins to SAC, Monroe to GS and Ed Davis to DET.....top 7 set...
Aminu apparently has a verbal agreement that he's going to the Clippers.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2010, 04:31:48 PM
latest rumor (not from the source guy):
Iguodala and next year's 1st for #4 and Ryan Gomes if Johnson goes #3
turner and favors/cousins?
IN.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2010, 04:31:48 PM
latest rumor (not from the source guy):
Iguodala and next year's 1st for #4 and Ryan Gomes if Johnson goes #3
Would do it in a heartbeat, although gws keeps reiterating Igoudala is staying
I like that deal.
Another too good to be true.
So I've been reading quite a bit about the newest Sixer and I am more comfortable with it. I like the direction they're going and I hope they can get rid of Igoudala at some point tonight.
never thought you would fall into the iguodala hate j
if you see deal that includes inguodala and helps the team then do it but why would you "just get rid of iguodala"....ill never understand that
Allow me to clarify...
I was referring to trading him in one of those rumored deals posted here.
I dont hate him, but if he stays he needs to step his shtein up.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2010, 07:56:03 PM
Allow me to clarify...
I was referring to trading him in one of those rumored deals posted here.
I dont hate him, but if he stays he needs to step his shtein up.
i agree with that...but just to blindly say i hope they get rid of the best player on the team tonight doesnt make much sense to me
Only if they could benefit from it ala acquiring one of these guys like Cousins or Favors. But that probably won't happen
im ready to trade igudoala for a bag of tire irons and its because i hate him
there
hes not the best player. hes a douche and a big headed loser who thinks hes lebron.
ps how pimp are the hats they were wearing
(http://media.philly.com/images/062410_Turner4_400.jpg)
(http://images.footballfanatics.com/productImages/_493000/FF_493691_l.jpg)
They are going to ride this pick until the death.
Quote from: KDS on June 24, 2010, 11:29:25 PM
im ready to trade igudoala for a bag of tire irons and its because i hate him
there
hes not the best player. hes a douche and a big headed loser who thinks hes lebron.
ps how pimp are the hats they were wearing
(http://media.philly.com/images/062410_Turner4_400.jpg)
He looks like the student body president.
And yes those hats were off the charts. Junior and I were dying on Turners lid.
Quote from: King Cole on June 25, 2010, 02:03:45 AM
(http://images.footballfanatics.com/productImages/_493000/FF_493691_l.jpg)
They are going to ride this pick until the death.
omg a t-shirt for the #2 overall pick that was taken less than 24 hrs ago....ride till ya die!!
you guys really liked those hats....we were making mad fun of them last night...hideous...except for golden states which was buttery goodness
(http://lf.hatworld.com/hwl?set=sku%5B20193491%5D,d%5B2019%5D,c%5B2%5D,w%5B345%5D,h%5B259%5D&load=url%5Bfile:product%5D)
btw i first noticed watching evan turner Waddle Up The Stairs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwy16PvjXro) after being picked last night
please tell me im making more of this than i should be and not to worry because if i didnt know better id say he is one frumpy two guard (http://enrico.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451af4b69e2013484d598f8970c-500wi)
Not really digging the fact that he's a nerd. I'd rather a guy with tats and an attitude.
i dont care about the nerd part as much as them maybe having drafted a fat two guard
tell me thats a fat suit so i dont have to worry....TELL ME!
and his ass in that video is farging ENORMOUS...why have i never seen this before
did my team just draft sherman klump?
haha he did have a big ass
i would be worried. he wasnt fat at osu and if he is a little chubby the sixers will make him work it off
Quote from: ice grillin you link=topic=20883.msg755310#msg755310 date=
did my team just draft sherman klump?
lol
I think that's just the way he's shaped:
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0623/nba_g_turner_576.jpg)
I don't know why, but I'm more excited to see what Jrue can do with some talent in the back court than I am with the Turner pick.
That suit fit horrendously, I am not just sticking up for the guy because I like him. That was god awful. Even if he is fat a good tailor can hide a lot of that. That looks like he bought a suit off the rack.
Turner arriving at 30th street station (http://www.nba.com/sixers/draft/)
threw out the 1st pitch at the Phils game tonight
on a scale of 10 to 10 how big of a hissy fit is andre iguodala gonna throw when hes told ET is getting announced last at home games? HOW CAN SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN TO THE SECOND COMING OF MICHAEL JORDAN!
how awesome is it to read something like this re: the sixers
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20100627_Sixers__young_backcourt_eager_to_start.html
Nice. I am glad to see they have them playing summer ball.
I have a bit of optimism.
great news...all sixer summer league games are on nba tv...cant wait...
check the schedule as its gets closer because the tv listings dont mesh with the game schedule on a couple games...im not sure if that means they will be shown on tape delay or one of the schedules is wrong
july 5 - 1pm - nj - nba tv 7pm
july 6 - 3pm - bos - nba tv 5pm
july 7 - 3pm - okc - nba tv
july 8 - 7pm - charlotte - nba tv
july 9 - 10am - utah - nba tv
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2010, 01:17:42 PM
Nice. I am glad to see they have them playing summer ball.
I have a bit of optimism.
Don't worry, Jay... you'll have ample opportunity to turn cynical and bitter again soon what with training camp opening in a few weeks.
lol...KOLBZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Turner singing at Wrigley last night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD_0JCaC7Iw)
brutha is tone deaf
he sings better than lidge saves games
highlight of that video were the titties at the 0:17 mark
Quote from: SD on June 29, 2010, 11:19:55 PM
highlight of that video were the titties at the 0:17 mark
Definitely... but I thought you were into dudes now or something?
QuoteSixers and free agency
The most anticipated free agency period in NBA history begins tonight when the clock strikes midnight.
You know the names: LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Stoudemire, Nowitski.
But what about your Philadelphia 76ers?
Even if they could trade Andre Iguodala or Elton Brand, the Sixers would not have the cap space for a top-tier free agent.
Here are two suggestions:
Now that Orlando Magic restricted free agent shooting guard J.J. Redick has finally learned to play credible defense, the Sixers should sign him to an offer sheet just to see what might happen.
A 40 percent shooter from three-point range would be a real nice backup to rookie Evan Turner.
An option among unrestricted free agents could be Miami Heat tough guy rebounder Udonis Haslem.
He'd be a perfect addition for a soft and poor rebounding frontcourt. Haslem, however, seemingly has little desire to go anywhere else. The Heat recently surprised him with a massive birthday party with 200 team employees to show that they appreciate him and want him to return. "Who would want to go anywhere else, with an organization like this," Haslem told the Miami Herald.
However, Haslem could be in line for a pay cut from the $7 million he madel ast year, depending on what else Miami does in free agency.
The Sixers have two free agents as of tonight: Rodney Carney and Francisco Elston. Carney signed a 1-year deal last summer to return to the Sixers. Elston was acquired from Milwaukee in a deadline trade that netted Jodie Meeks.
lol...JJ Redick
went to a local pub tonight to play trivia and we were shteintin the bed most of the night until the last question where you could bet half your pts...topic is announced....NBA...havas throws his fist in the sky...question is shortest player to ever win a rebounding title...havas high tens his girl....yes gimme for most people...including havas...not so much for the old white people in the pub...team havas bets the max and jumps from 16th to 5th place in one question
the end
bullshtein
you were slamming buds at the lodge with shorebird and the trivia question was about elvis
for the first 19 questions yes...not for the bonus johnson tho
So whats the damn answer?
barkley you cranial lump
edit: sorry
lol drunk havas = minor aspects of sense of humor
I...did...not...know that.
So...whose gonna get the MLE and come "run with us"
for some reason was just thinking about how criminally underrated jeru is in this city....other than cole hamels he might be the most important athlete in philly...and his development this year pretty much will determine where the sixers are headed
Insert animated gif of Redick picking his nose
or just copy and paste one of his poems
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2010, 02:31:29 AM
Where LBJ ends up in the East pretty much will determine where the sixers are headed
(http://web.me.com/jflnyc/Miscellaneous/Misc_2_files/x2_1ca3917.jpg)
QuoteAt Bubbles, gettin a wash and facial..
gotta love Twitter
conk that shtein
awesome inky story today
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20100704_Doug_Collins_relishes_challenge_of_reviving_76ers.html
Turner's debut in the summer league was on NBATV tonight, and he did OK but said afterward he was nervous. Jrue was the star of the game....
actually terrance williams was...but jeru looked good
aaron mckie was actually
Listening to Doug Collins talk about this team today during the Summer League game is getting really interested in this team.
Watching Jrue in these past few games he does certainly have the look of a potential star.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 07, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
Listening to Doug Collins talk about this team today during the Summer League game is getting really interested in this team.
Watching Jrue in these past few games he does certainly have the look of a potential star.
IGY is a savant when it comes to spotting point guard talent.
He was all over Marcus Williams being good.
cole man where reese at
Quote from: KDS on July 07, 2010, 11:07:45 PM
cole man where reese at
he lost his donovan bet to me and dipped...he was here one day...i emailed him to send the money to phillymic for a bet i owe and he hasnt been seen since
God damn there is nothing worse than a welch.
i owe MDS some hockey money, pm me for your taco money
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 07, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on July 07, 2010, 03:54:00 PM
Listening to Doug Collins talk about this team today during the Summer League game is getting really interested in this team.
Watching Jrue in these past few games he does certainly have the look of a potential star.
IGY is a savant when it comes to spotting point guard talent.
I'll give igy credit on the Rondo pick, but not on Holiday. He wasn't too sure about him when they drafted him. It didn't take too long for people to realize that Holiday has the potential to be special. For anybody that has watched the summer league games it should be clear he is the best player at the Orlando league.
Just saw the Sixers added that douche Quin Snyder to the coaching staff. Nice hair, fagrot.
Lots of Iggy to the Rockets rumors being floated out there by gws
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 12, 2010, 04:40:09 PM
Just saw the Sixers added that douche Quin Snyder to the coaching staff. Nice hair, fagrot.
The dude who coached Mizzou like 10 years ago? Has he been employed since then?
Iggy details?
Quote from: Die-Hard on July 19, 2010, 10:10:26 AM
Iggy details?
*Insert imaginary scenarios dreamed up by internet nerds that may or may not have any validity but which will be gobbled up by everyone because the off-season is boring and baseball doesn't help.*
Quote from: Die-Hard on July 19, 2010, 10:10:26 AM
Iggy details?
Something like Iggy/Jason Smith/other filler for Ariza, Jeffries, Hill, Patterson and Budinger or something similar. Now that they signed Brad Miller to a deal gws said to keep an eye out for a possible deal.
No to Patterson or Hill
Yes to Budinger
Very Yes to Ariza
Very very yes to getting Iggy and his cancer contract the farg out of town
sammy's already gone, thats a good step. i'm in no rush to see iggy gone now. he's leaps and bounds better than anyone else mentioned in this thread. in fact with a semi-legit backcourt now i think he could have a great year. and there a ton worse contracts in the league than him. is he even top 50 paid? if he it's its probably close. not bad for the best player on an nba team.
oops
I'm cool with adding Hill.
And yeah on Ariza and Budinger too.
I'd like that deal
ive been saying that about iguodalas deal for three years...people think because he has some holes in his game that hes the most overpaid player in the league...his deal is middle of the road and not bad for the quality of player he is
theres a bunch of players paid more than him that shouldnt be and theres a bunch of players paid less than him that shouldnt be
he's a good sixth man who was shoehorned by a woeful franchise into the role of "star".
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2010, 07:26:58 AM
ive been saying that about iguodalas deal for three years...people think because he has some holes in his game that hes the most overpaid player in the league...his deal is middle of the road and not bad for the quality of player he is
theres a bunch of players paid more than him that shouldnt be and theres a bunch of players paid less than him that shouldnt be
3's are a dime a dozen, you don't pay that kind of coin to a 3 with no outside shot. He's nothing special, that's the problem.
theres like three 'special" players in the nba
and while iguodala isnt near being one of them his contract isnt anything special either....christ andre kirilenko i believe makes almost 20 mil
you wanna bitch about about a bad deal bitch about elton brand who cant play and makes 18 mil
why can't I bitch about both?
because iguodalas isnt a problem
big guy back to defending his boys
wut up son
so brands contract is an albatross and iguodalas isnt
who is that defending again?
they both are
brand is unmovable and we should have all come to accept it by now.
glass mcgoo has value and needs to go. he is a negative albatross and needs to have no part on the jeru and et show.
one contract can easily be moved and one contract cant be moved at all....yeah they both are albatrosses
you seriously need to start proof reading your posts before hitting send
and lol at the ET show....id be surprised if hes ever as good a player as iguodala is now and at his best wont be a whole lot better
you seriously need to detach your mouth from stefanskis nut.
why...he drafted the "show"
he gets credit for jeru and jeru only
et was dumbluck
he also gave out longer than my shaft deals to brand and cha boi iguodala who you are seriously harboring a man crush on.
there was nothing saying he had to stay at 2 and there was nothing saying if he did stay at two he had to take the show...i personally would have seriously inquired trading down a pick or two (which maybe he did)
the brand deal was hideous....he pannicked....iguodala deal is nothing special...you can kill him for not trading iguodala if you want but not for signing him
lol trading down
you need a superstar to win a title. is et one? probably not. but you damn well have a shot.
the iguodala extension was terrible and not trading him to houston in feb was even worse. just because he calls wip and talks birds isnt a reason to nut him off
turner has zero/zilch/no chance to be a superstar
and you do realize there are deals way worse than iguodalas every year in the nba...you dont blow up your team every year just because you dont like a player...you are trying to play fantasy sports with real life teams
you have to resign good young players all the time to deals that may seen ridiculous and probably are (which is why there will be major changes in the new cba)...but for now this is what happens in the nba...its no different than david lee getting 15 mil a year or rashard lewis 20...or andre kirilenko 17...prdeag stojokovich i think got 17 per...i can go on and on...hate the game not the players
i agree with everything igy said. and believe it or not, igoudala is about the 5th player on the list of why the sixers suck right now.
you when sign a guy who should be the 3rd best player on a team and give him the idea that hes the man, its a problem
iguodala would look nice playing in LA with gasol and kobe
or in mia with wade and bosh
or in SA with parker and duncan
hell he would like nice here with jeru and et
but he aint takin no backseat to no 20 year old punk ass negro and he aint gonna stop shootin 18 footers and ignoring coaching and focusing on his jumpshot with his shot coach
dookie needs to GO
Quote from: phattymatty on July 20, 2010, 01:29:27 PM
i agree with everything igy said.
real recognize real
Quote from: KDS on July 20, 2010, 01:30:52 PM
but he aint takin no backseat to no 20 year old punk ass negro and he aint gonna stop shootin 18 footers and ignoring coaching and focusing on his jumpshot with his shot coach
I guess you're living in the Browntown ghetto, now?
Edit: That was redundant. Carry on.
Pointing to Brand's contract as justification that Igoudala's deal isn't that bad just goes to show you how bad it is. My problem with Igoudala is he's a second tier player at a position where there are an abundance of them in the league. I'd feel differently if he had a good to great outside shot, but the bottom line is you don't make it deep in the playoffs with a guy like him.
As for trading down I would have explored the chance to rid themselves of Brand's deal if they still could have picked in the top 5.
I'm not worried about Turner's struggles in the summer league, because the summer league is disorganized pick up basketball. My concern is that he's out of shape, when you're an early 20's athlete - and especially a basketball player - you should never fall out of shape, players that do that don't go on to have success in the NBA 99% of the time.
Quote from: SD on July 20, 2010, 04:15:05 PM
My problem with Igoudala is he's a second tier player
somewhere die-hard is cringing.
ET spent the better part of the day the other day tweeting about his concerns over Wendy's chicken selections.
By contrast, Eagles 7th round DT Jeff Owens is always tweeting about working out.
it's easier to segment position tiers in basketball
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 20, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
ET spent the better part of the day the other day tweeting about his concerns over Wendy's chicken selections.
By contrast, Eagles 7th round DT Jeff Owens is always tweeting about working out.
and PG follows both of them.
i'm very worried about ET's showing in summer league. john wall looks amazing as expected. cousins already looks like he's going to be legit.
It's a pick up league of course a guy like Wall is going to look good.
Quote from: smeags on July 20, 2010, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 20, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
ET spent the better part of the day the other day tweeting about his concerns over Wendy's chicken selections.
By contrast, Eagles 7th round DT Jeff Owens is always tweeting about working out.
and PG follows both of them.
no
Quote from: phattymatty on July 20, 2010, 04:39:09 PM
i'm very worried about ET's showing in summer league. john wall looks amazing as expected. cousins already looks like he's going to be legit.
He didn't look all that great but that was the first time he had played off the ball in over a year and he was playing the 3 most of the time. Most of the "experts" don't seem to concerned.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Sixers_sign_free-agent_center_Battie.html
Iguodala probably cemented his spot on team USA last night.
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=5407942&top
(http://a.espncdn.com/i/mag/blog/Hawes2.jpg)
look test pass
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 25, 2010, 09:46:14 AM
Iguodala probably cemented his spot on team USA last night.
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=5407942&top
Did any of you guys catch that game? If Andre brings that game back to the wac, he'll be back on the Philly love train in no time. Great D, worked the glass, and was selective with his offensive opportunities. Coach K described him as beautifully efficient. I think he scored 17, 6 boards and 5 assists. Dont qoute me on his scoreline, but it was somewhere in that range.
Collins went out to Vegas for the practices and game I heard. No way he trades him. Andre showed exactly the game Doug wants him to play.
im glad k and everyone else is happy with him out there but 17 6 and 5 with good defense is what he does every night in the nba....i dont see what hes doing at the usa camp as career changing
Welcome to :CF Wilbert.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2010, 03:29:51 PM
im glad k and everyone else is happy with him out there but 17 6 and 5 with good defense is what he does every night in the nba....i dont see what hes doing at the usa camp as career changing
I hear ya, but alot of the rap on Andre right now is, he wont defer to others on the team. Big ego and all that. He played off the ball, and his distribution was spot on.
I've been reading through this thread. Andre is on many a shtein list. I just think some might want to re evalueate him.
thanks for the welcome PhillyPhreak54 :)
im one of his few defenders...i just dont see how he doesnt defer to others...he passes the ball a lot and get people involved all the time...in fact there used to be quite a bit of criticism that he passed to much and didnt take charge...that was before people fully realized he didnt have a jump shot and never will and that his handle isnt good enough to take over games...now he is a ball hog who isnt a team player?...theres a large segment of sixer fans who are just going to hate him no matter what
if people would just realize that hes a very good all around player that a lot of teams would love to have but not a game changing star we could move on
Sixers open the season at home vs. the Decision and the Heat
Full schedule: http://www.nba.com/sixers/schedule/
QuotePhiladelphia has hired Rod Thorn to take over as team president, league sources tell Y! Ed Stefanski will stay on as GM.
"Mr. Snider? It's Rod, Rod Thorn. Look I just ran the Nets into the ground, we won like, 5 games last year and their owner wanted absolutely nothing to do me. Can I have a job?"
Stefanski stays on as GM. What authority will Thorn have? Just another chief in the pow wow tent.
Quote from: KDS on August 11, 2010, 09:49:10 PM
"Mr. Snider? It's Rod, Rod Thorn. Look I just ran the Nets into the ground, we won like, 5 games last year and their owner wanted absolutely nothing to do me. Can I have a job?"
You made me laugh.
keep on laughing at 2 nets rejects running the sixers front office
you want something to get angry about....there it is. not jayson werth grounding into a double play in the second inning of a game in august.
I don't know if I'd say Thorn ran the Nets into the ground. Their team got old and he blew it up to start over. He's been an incredibly successful executive over the years and made a small-market Nets team into an elite eastern conference team for a handful of years before Kidd left.
He's one of the better executives the NBA has had over the last 10+ years.
MDS has been on farging fire for weeks. Too bad only black writers are allowed to interject angry opinions these days.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 12, 2010, 06:57:46 AM
MDS has been on farging fire for weeks. Too bad only black writers are allowed to interject angry opinions these days.
hes gotta make up for all the semen he spills in the phillies thread
hes also by the way wrong....cole is going overboard the other way (lol @ incredibly successful) but hes closer to the truth
i mean the guy got the nj nets to the finals for gods sake
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 12, 2010, 06:57:46 AM
MDS has been on farging fire for weeks. Too bad only black writers are allowed to interject angry opinions these days.
:-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 12, 2010, 07:12:39 AM
i mean the guy got the nj nets to the finals for gods sake
8 years ago.
in a horrible eastern conference.
the nets have been terrible since then and he was run out of town the second the rooskie took over.
explain to me why i should like this move other than the fact it takes some power away from that pudgy incompetent fool of a gm
im not saying you should like it....its basically an irrelevant move...just correcting you on the nets
im as impressed with that finals trip as you are with treme
rod thorn on with mikey miss right now.
Quote from: KDS on August 11, 2010, 09:49:10 PM
"Mr. Snider? It's Rod, Rod Thorn. Look I just ran the Nets into the ground, we won like, 5 games last year and their owner wanted absolutely nothing to do me. Can I have a job?"
That's not what happened in the least..this is as good a get as possible for the Sixers.
isnt thorn responsible for getting the nets under the cap ?
yea he did..he also stole VC from toronto, traded marbury for jkidd along with a bunch of other great trades..
Trading Kidd to Dallas last year for Devin Harris was a good move as well.
plus he wasnt ran out of town as soon as the "rooskie" got there. he was there for the avery johnson hire.
iguodala just won the mvp of the world basketball festival game
Good...trade him now while his value is high
Quote from: SD on August 12, 2010, 08:04:11 PM
Good...trade him now while his value is high
8)
Yes please.
You're not going to get a quality front court player for Andre. Hes as good a 3 as we can get. I'd be more concerned if Turner can play the 2, and how we're going to rebound with Hawes and whoever is at the 4.
Quote from: Wilbert on August 13, 2010, 09:59:42 PM
You're not going to get a quality front court player for Andre. Hes as good a 3 as we can get. I'd be more concerned if Turner can play the 2, and how we're going to rebound with Hawes and whoever is at the 4.
i know you are new here but you are wasting your team with these people...they dont get it
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2010, 07:44:42 PM
Quote from: Wilbert on August 13, 2010, 09:59:42 PM
You're not going to get a quality front court player for Andre. Hes as good a 3 as we can get. I'd be more concerned if Turner can play the 2, and how we're going to rebound with Hawes and whoever is at the 4.
i know you are new here but you are wasting your team with these people...they dont get it
These people?
(http://www.gump4heisman.com/.a/6a00e0097f22418833010536813d3a970b-320wi)
lol.....wtf?
no just dummies
I know, it was a joke.
It aint about andre the player
Its andre the person
usa france is on now if anyone wants to watch the legend that is andre iguodala
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2010, 01:14:57 PM
usa france is on now if anyone wants to watch the legend that is andre iguodala
How a guy can only score 2 points, and look so damn good is mind bogling. Played lockdown D. Covered for his team mates when they blew their rotations, passed the ball flawlessly, deferred to team mates with the hot hand, and delivered the highlight of the game with a steal and vicious throw down.
Not to mention we hammered the surrender monkeys by around 30 points.
I didn't watch, but its good to have another bball fan in here.
I'm excited for the season to get going.
That aint no bball fan
Its iguodalas nephew
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2010, 08:59:12 PM
I didn't watch, but its good to have another bball fan in here.
I'm excited for the season to get going.
I'm up for it. just hope to see some progress an questions answered.
I get more positive with Collins as the weeks go by. I think we got the right man.
Quote from: KDS on August 18, 2010, 09:17:56 PM
That aint no bball fan
Its iguodalas nephew
No relation to Andre, but I do have a relation to you. I'll be your daddy in this thread.
I've read thru this abortion, and its obvious you have the basketball IQ of Samuel Dalembert.
Ya fargin dope.
Lol
I like this guy. Part ff part rome part phreak
He's gonna fit in
Can I sponsor Wilbert?
Quote from: Wilbert on August 18, 2010, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: KDS on August 18, 2010, 09:17:56 PM
That aint no bball fan
Its iguodalas nephew
No relation to Andre, but I do have a relation to you. I'll be your daddy in this thread.
I've read thru this abortion, and its obvious you have the basketball IQ of Samuel Dalembert.
Ya fargin dope.
Excellent.
That's beer worthy right there.
Quote from: Wilbert on August 18, 2010, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: KDS on August 18, 2010, 09:17:56 PM
That aint no bball fan
Its iguodalas nephew
No relation to Andre, but I do have a relation to you. I'll be your daddy in this thread.
I've read thru this abortion, and its obvious you have the basketball IQ of Samuel Dalembert.
Ya fargin dope.
bwahahahahahahahaha
igs, since you're the expert on kicks, tell me about Li Ning. Or don't. We're gonna hear about them soon enough, because ET is their first major American endorser (http://www.nesn.com/2010/08/evan-turner-signs-with-chinesebased-sneaker-company-more-to-follow.html)
think you were given wrong info easy...i know absolutely nothing about sneakers...in fact i kind of hate sneakerheads
socks and sandals instead?
ha!
They're owned (or used to be) by Yao.
i would never wear sandals in public....tho i do have a pair at my house to use when i take the trash out and do little run in and outside type shtein...and no i would never rock them sockless
you serious
i dont think ive worn shoes in 3 weeks
agreed...sandals are for the gheys - with or without socks.
I'm about to go run some quick errands in flip flops.
flip flops are even worse than sandals. even the farging name "flip flops" pisses me off.
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 26, 2010, 12:31:38 PM
flip flops are even worse than sandals. even the farging name "flip flops" pisses me off.
sounds like we have a possible new subject to mock opposing fans on walking by us.
Quote from: Die-Hard on August 26, 2010, 12:31:38 PM
flip flops are even worse than sandals. even the farging name "flip flops" pisses me off.
i thought they were all the same...but yes flip flops are the all time worst thing ever on men...sandals not far behind
shteins played like zodiac signs on sweatshirts
thats minimum and feminine like sandals
(http://cdn5.mattters.com/photos/photos/1225888/Men-in-Flip-Flops.jpg)
Flip-Flops:
(http://image.made-in-china.com/2f1j00evlEOcWJMBqD/Eva-Flip-Flop-Slippers-HT-ES003-.jpg)
Sandals:
(https://00f3585.netsolstores.com/ProductImages/saltwater/sweetheart%20champ%202in.jpg)
Both for gheys.
yeah feet are so dirty and ugly...i cant believe they are even allowed to be exposed like that...id way rather guys be allowed to walk around with their birds hanging out than their feet
I wear flip flops around the pool or at the beach. Pretty much the only acceptable places to wear them if you're a dude imo. I can't stand seeing guys wearing them around town. Especially dudes who wear them with jeans. Just awful.
:o
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 26, 2010, 12:50:39 PM
I wear flip flops around the pool or at the beach. Pretty much the only acceptable places to wear them if you're a dude imo. I can't stand seeing guys wearing them around town. Especially dudes who wear them with jeans. Just awful.
well igy would rather see your wang so make the change.
you both sound like homos
no grammar errors. impressive.
This discussion about the Sixers is awesome.
Quote from: smeags on August 26, 2010, 01:04:05 PM
no grammar errors. impressive.
Other than the lack of a capital letter to start the sentence and a period to end it, yes, he was pretty much flawless.
anyway, good thing the sixers didn't get a chance to draft durant.
(http://nicekicks.com/files/2009/07/capt7af6f42699fe4f6bb82de6d4c118c756nuggets_trail_blazers_basketball_nvlr116.jpg)
there, happy ed ?
Hahaha Concretefield home of the fashion police. I wear flip flops all the time.....guess I didn't know I was gay. Mainly I wear them because they are comfortable and I have worn boots for the better part of 12 years and my feet have taken a beating. You all care.
so the don't ask don't tell policy worked for you ?
Quote from: KDS on August 26, 2010, 01:18:23 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 26, 2010, 01:08:45 PM
Quote from: smeags on August 26, 2010, 01:04:05 PM
no grammar errors. impressive.
I destroyed any credibility I had by befriending munson.
I really don't know which is more pathetic....your obsession with Munson or this faux friendship you've made up in your head.
If you put half the effort into journalism that you put into talking about Munson then you'd actually have a shot at getting your work published in some mediocre rag in Billings or Toledo. But as it stands now, your most recognizable work was published at Temple...and that's only because you paid cash money to go there.
interesting
tell me more about my life
Quote from: KDS on August 26, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
interesting
tell me more about my life
Munson is awful. Yay Phillies. TV ratings. 8th grade field hockey tournament. IGY's under carriage. That's it. That's your life.
i enjoy flip flops. i really don't care if you don't.
the end.
thats actually fairly accurate
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 26, 2010, 02:12:02 PM
If you put half the effort into journalism that you put into talking about Munson then you'd actually have a shot at getting your work published in some mediocre rag in Billings or Toledo.
echo says hi
Are the Sixers going to play a game in flip flops or something? What did I miss?
i thought this was the men's fashion thread.
oh & who are the sixers ?
I wear sandals all summer long. Barefoot because i'm not Satoshi.
WARNING! ACTUAL SIXERS-RELATED NEWS!
Andres Nocioni to skip worlds (http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5499645)
I, for one, can't stand when a player on a Philly team plays for a non-US country. So, AMERICA... farg YEAH!
lol at the sandal hate. Everyone here is definitely over 28.
I don't think a sock has touched my feet all summer outside of going to work or going to the gym.
Also, I'm glad my name was brought up again. Always refreshing.
And who are the 76ers?
Flip flops with jeans...gayest
yeah flip flops and jeans is a total bro-thing. But flip flops and khaki shorts all summer son.
I rock that with the beater and sideways hat.
No I don't.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 27, 2010, 06:44:15 AM
I rock that with the beater and sideways hat.
No I don't.
sixers talk would be nice. penis.
Sixers thread has naturally evolved into a general "things that suck and will continue to suck for the foreseeable future" thread. Hence the talk about guys who wear flip-flops as if they are normal street-walking shoes.
Gayer choice:
Flip-flops/Sandals
(http://www.southmoonunder.com/bvc/images/products/Womens%20Clothing/flip-flops-06/Rainbow-3014-tn.jpg)
OR
MBT's/Sketchers Shape-ups
(http://eyepodsandmatzoballs.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mbt_chapa.jpg)
??
This may end up being the conversation that convinces me to kick my CF habit.
What the farg is wrong with you people.
resistance is futile.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 27, 2010, 10:34:05 AM
This may end up being the conversation that convinces me to kick my CF habit.
Can we still hug in Nashville?
Quote from: rjs246 on August 27, 2010, 10:34:05 AM
This may end up being the conversation that convinces me to kick my CF habit.
What the farg is wrong with you people.
Why are you in the basketball thread anyway?
Bill Simmons on Andre Iguodala
QuoteOne of the frustrating things about this tournament: Iguodala has been a revelation as a fourth banana/swing defender/energy guy/uber-athlete, which really should have been his NBA destiny -- mega-glue guy on a great team, like a much more devastating version of Trevor Ariza on the 2008-09 Lakers -- only we don't have nearly enough quality players to fill 30 NBA teams, so instead he's forced to carry a lottery team, take terrible shots, play with inferior teammates and do everything that the Basketball Gods never meant for him to do. He's like Roger Sterling in "Mad Men" -- you don't want him carrying the show, but in short doses, harnessed correctly, he can be a weapon. I had given up on Iguodala as a meaningful basketball player; now I think he'll be reincarnated on a contender within the next two seasons. He's one trade away.
QuotePut it this way: If I were doing play-by-play for this tournament, I would have screamed "PULL!" or "LOOK OUT!" every time Iguodala launched a 3. Just ... no, Andre. He should be allowed on the 2012 Olympic team only if he signs a binding contract that he won't launch a single 3 or he has to give $20 million to NBA Cares.
IGY was saying that before Bill Simmons even knew who Iguodala was.
problem is igy is enough of a delisuonal homer to still think iguodala has a shot to do something like that here
All he needs is for Elton Brand to forget he's done and for Jrue and ET to become overnight superstars. Sounds possible.
One month after Carmelo Anthony's high-powered team of advisers first began pressuring the Denver Nuggets to trade him, the superstar scorer has not wavered in his desire to be dealt, multiple sources told CBSSports.com.
"There's no sign of reconsideration on Carmelo's part, despite what [Denver] has publicly said," said one of the people involved in the process.
The two sides remain locked in a stalemate over Anthony's future while a three-year, $65 million extension offer sits untouched in front of him. While Nuggets officials – including influential adviser Bret Bearup and executive Josh Kroenke – continue to rebuff trade inquiries while hoping to repair the franchise's relationship with Anthony, privately the team is beginning to examine which teams would have the most attractive combination of young players, draft picks and expiring contracts to complete a deal. And the team currently viewed by people close to the situation as having the most realistic chance of putting together a blockbuster, perhaps multi-team deal for Anthony is the New Jersey Nets.
"They're working the hardest to get a deal done," one of the sources said.
With No. 3 overall pick Derrick Favors, multiple extra draft picks, and Devin Harris, whose $8.98 million contract could be parlayed into a serviceable replacement for Anthony in a three-team trade, New Jersey has the makings of a package that would appeal to Nuggets officials, one of the people with knowledge of Denver's strategy said. The key, according to the person, would be involving a third team to convert Harris into something the Nuggets would view as "decent replacement value" for Anthony.
That is where another team equipped with attractive assets could enter the picture, multiple sources said: the Philadelphia 76ers. New team president Rod Thorn and GM Ed Stefanski – who formerly worked together in New Jersey – could be central to constructing a deal that would compel the Nuggets to move Anthony rather than endure a season-long distraction that ends with Anthony leaving as a free agent after the season. The key pieces of the Philadelphia equation would be the expiring contracts of Jason Kapono ($6.64 million) and Willie Green ($3.98 million), a young talent such as Thaddeus Young, and Andre Iguodala, who is coming off a solid contribution to Team USA's gold-medal performance at the FIBA World Championships. Some executives believe the Sixers would at least discuss including No. 2 overall pick Evan Turner if it meant getting Anthony, but that would defeat the purpose of going over the luxury tax to get Anthony in the first place.
Thorn drafted Favors, so that is one piece that is expected to be integral to the discussion once the Nuggets officially begin seeking trade packages for Anthony. The dropoff in talent from Anthony to Iguodala is considerable, but so is the savings; Iguodala is due $44 million over the next three seasons, compared to the $65 million Anthony would command. Two people familiar with Denver's strategy confirmed the Nuggets would be intrigued by a deal centered around Iguodala. The Nets could sweeten any such offer with Golden State's 2012 first-round pick and two extra second-round picks they own in the same draft.
A package sending Anthony to the Nets, Favors to Philadelphia and Iguodala to Denver is one way all of these moving parts could come together. But Thorn is said to have reservations about such a deal, which has yet to rise to the level of discussion among the teams.
The situation is complicated by the difficulty in putting enough assets in the deal to satisfy the Nuggets, who don't want the first move of GM Masai Ujiri's regime to be trading the team's cornerstone. Even more crucial is the need for Anthony to indicate he'd be willing to sign an extension with the team that acquires him. It is believed that Anthony, a Brooklyn native whose wife, LaLa Vasquez, also is from there, would sign off on a deal to the Nets, who move to the New York City borough in two years. It is not clear how Anthony would feel about signing an extension with Philadelphia, a city that is halfway between his New York birthplace and the Washington, D.C., area where he grew up. The Sixers were not on Anthony's initial list of preferred destinations, which included the Knicks, Magic, Bulls and Nets. Anthony, who is good friends with former Sixers star Allen Iverson, also is aware of how harshly Philadelphia treats its sports stars, a person with knowledge of his thinking said.
lol hes afraid of philly but cant wait to sign with ny
alright
hes also from baltimore not dc
its sad to say but id rather keep cha boi iguodala than get melo
though that 3 teamer to get favors....IN
farg melo. he's soft batch.
they wouldnt be getting melo
the deal is
nets - melo
sixers - favors
nuggets - iguodala
So what was being talked about pre draft then. Do it
In
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5594741
WojYahooNBA New Orleans has traded Darius Songalia and Craig Brackins to Philly for Willie Green and Jason Smith, league source tells Y!
traded the white boy ? racists !!!
thats twice now Brackins has been traded already....looks promising for a big man
Until then, the Nets have an opportunity to fill out their roster, as this draft has more big-man depth than most of recent vintage. Selecting 27th and 31st, the Nets are giving strong consideration to four power forwards: Larry Sanders of VCU, Craig Brackins of Iowa State, Gani Lawal of Georgia Tech, and Tiny Gallon of Oklahoma.
The Nets will have their final workouts Wednesday, with a second visit from power forward Tiny Gallon of Oklahoma. He is on their short list of potential draftees for the No. 27 and 31 picks, along with guards Dominique Jones of South Florida and Jordan Crawford of Xavier, and forwards Gani Lawal of Georgia Tech and Craig Brackins of Iowa State. The Nets are convinced that Larry Sanders of VCU, another favorite, is going to be taken before 27.
poor jason smiths girlfriend
also good. i hate willie green
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Sixers_in_talks_for_Carmelo_Anthony_Western_exec_says.html
Wow.
QuoteSixers in talks for Carmelo Anthony, Western exec says
Should the Sixers trade Andre Iguodala for Carmelo Anthony?
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The Sixers and Denver are talking about a potential trade that would bring Carmelo Anthony to Philadelphia and send Andre Iguodala to Denver, a Western Conference executive has confirmed to the Daily News.
The executive said Nuggets GM Masai Ujiri has spoken with Ed Stefanski.
Other players would need to be involved in the trade to match salaries.
The Sixers are not among the four teams that Anthony has said are his preferred destinations, with Chicago and New York at the top of his list.
The Sixers also would need to get Anthony to sign an extension. His contract expires after the season and he has not signed a 3-year extension offered by Denver.
Iguodala agreed to a 6-year, $80 million contract with the Sixers in August 2008.
Reports late last week had Anthony close to going to New Jersey in a complex four-team deal that also involved Utah and Charlotte. The New York Daily News is reporting that the Bobcats are holding up the deal, unwilling to include point guard D.J. Augustin. Charlotte was expecting Augustin would replace Raymond Felton, who left this offseason via free agency.
Indications are that the Nuggets would like a deal done before they begin training camp tomorrow.
Posted by Phil Jasner @ 1:33 PM Permalink | 1 comment
bruiser brand aint gonna like that
I'm probably in the minority, but I want no part of Melo. He's a damn good player but there's just something about him that I can't really put my finger on that I don't like.
Im not sure I would want him on the team either. It would be interesting at least.
Y'all are gonzo. Get 'Melo.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
I'm probably in the minority, but I want no part of Melo. He's a damn good player but there's just something about him that I can't really put my finger on that I don't like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnaoVV46hk4
Quote from: King Cole on September 26, 2010, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
I'm probably in the minority, but I want no part of Melo. He's a damn good player but there's just something about him that I can't really put my finger on that I don't like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnaoVV46hk4
While that certainly doesn't make him any more endearing, that's not really it. I just don't think the guy has a "winner's mentality." He puts up big numbers and is an amazing talent but he's farged in the head.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
I'm probably in the minority, but I want no part of Melo. He's a damn good player but there's just something about him that I can't really put my finger on that I don't like.
I think it's the fact that he plays no defense and also seems very Lackadaisical most of the time.
the people commenting on Melo have probably watched about 7 Nuggets games since he's been there.
I would hate to have a go-to guy that is 26 years old and can bring 30/8/3 a night to a team that has no identity right now...absolutely despise it.
Agreed. Let's keep Iggy, his neat defense, and his mad dunking skeelz! Champyonchip!
Quote from: SunMo on September 23, 2010, 11:24:56 AM
WojYahooNBA New Orleans has traded Darius Songalia and Craig Brackins to Philly for Willie Green and Jason Smith, league source tells Y!
This looks like a nice move. We get rid of Green who is surplus, and Smith. We pick up Brackins and Songalia.
Dont know much about Songalia, but if hes hardnosed and grabs some boards, I like. Brackins upside is huge. 1st rounder if I'm not mistaken who can score. Could be a great project for Collins.
Thorn may be earning his money, if he was involved with this.
As for the Melo, Favors talk. Sounds like a alot of bullshtein. Cant see melo coming here, and wouldnt be overly excited if he did. I dont like players that dont D. Plus we'd have to sign him to an extension. His deal runs out after this year.
Moving Andre for Favors may sound interesting, but Favors is an unknown quantity. All potential. Could be another Thad. I'll pass.
I heard Broussard on SportsCenter say that Iggy was not involved in the trade talk;
The offer was Evan Turner, Jason Kapono, Thad Young and multiple draft picks.
But Carmelo would not sign an extension here, so its a moot point.
lol what
What MDS said, that's a horrible trade
Shouldn't you be VDS now?
It would be an inappropriate name as one typically needs to have teh secks in order to get teh vd's.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2010, 07:44:07 PM
lol what
yeah I am not sure I believe it. Chris Broussard doesn't strike me as credible
ESPN bottom line is rocking the story about the Sixers being willing to deal Iggy in a package for Melo.
OOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?
Quote from: SunMo on September 27, 2010, 08:44:54 AM
the people commenting on Melo have probably watched about 7g Nuggets games since he's been there.
I've watched plenty of Melo. Not saying I wouldn't want him, but the dude plays no defense. Not to mention they would want more than iffy like ET or Brief and melo won't resign anyway.
lol @ defense
what is this, high school?
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2010, 01:03:57 AM
lol @ defense
what is this, high school?
Lol @ trading for Carmelo rather than rebuilding
So how much of a project is Evan Turner going to turn into?
Collins is going to start the season with him as a backup point. Dougs comments concerning ET at his presser a few days back pretty much scream out, Evan cant play 2 gaurd.
That means Dre having to put in minutes at the 2 again.
Recent quote from Doug.
"That means No. 2 overall pick Evan Turner is primarily the backup point guard, which Sixers coach Doug Collins said is likely to continue for at least the foreseeable future because it allows Turner to play how he did at Ohio State -with the ball in his hands.
"I just want him to do what he does well," Collins said. "He's a facilitator right now."
Nothing we havent already heard, but was hoping ET was farther along the pike in playing at the 2 spot than he is.
At Dougs presser a he also said ET, "Doesnt know what to " in regards to the 2 spot.
Wonderful!
I'm not in the panic mode yet, but if ET cant play the 2, its worse fears realized.
I didn't know panic mode existed for a team as irrelevant as the Sixers. If you get to 'Panic' you might want to step back and reassess.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 29, 2010, 11:13:21 AM
I didn't know panic mode existed for a team as irrelevant as the Sixers. If you get to 'Panic' you might want to step back and reassess.
this
Trade him while he still has value
Even Brand acknowledged during media day that their team is buried in 4th among the pro teams...
When you aren't a regular playoff team and never even enter the conversation of legit challengers, your fans should never ever EVER utter the word panic about anything. What is there to panic about? Maybe they won't finish ninth in the East this year! Oh no!
im not panicking because its obvious evan turner will never be special...ill be happy if he isnt a bust not upset cause he cant play the two
my panic occured when i was at game two of the conf. finals and not even watching the game...but instead glued to my mans cell phone waiting for the second pick in the lottery to come up
i thought its already been established that i dont have a cell phone
Quote from: rjs246 on September 29, 2010, 11:27:29 AM
When you aren't a regular playoff team and never even enter the conversation of legit challengers, your fans should never ever EVER utter the word panic about anything. What is there to panic about? Maybe they won't finish ninth in the East this year! Oh no!
Ok, Mr. Semantics, hows this.
I'm not, at this time, going to be overly concerned about young Evans lack of ability at the 2 gaurd position.
Better? Or do I have to endure another critique.
Quote from: Wilbert on September 29, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 29, 2010, 11:27:29 AM
When you aren't a regular playoff team and never even enter the conversation of legit challengers, your fans should never ever EVER utter the word panic about anything. What is there to panic about? Maybe they won't finish ninth in the East this year! Oh no!
Ok, Mr. Semantics, hows this.
I'm not, at this time, going to be overly concerned about young Evans lack of ability at the 2 gaurd position.
Better? Or do I have to endure another critique.
you have no idea. :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2010, 11:33:58 AM
im not panicking because its obvious evan turner will never be special...ill be happy if he isnt a bust not upset cause he cant play the two
Pretty low expectations for #2 pick.
I think it was you that referred to him as "Sherman Klump", if my memory serves me right when going through this thread.
I'd hate to think you nailed that one. :-[
Critiquing is what I do. It's all I do. Judgments for you all!
the klump reference was more about him being a nerd than it was his basketball ability
as for him being a player i am not totally down on him i just wasnt as excited as a lot of people
i think his upside is brandon roy (if his shooting improves)
his likely outcome andre iguodala with a better handle
and his downside kerry kittles
even kittles isnt terrible but like you said and this is what it comes down to...not exactly what im looking for in a number two overall
So what is the projected starting lineup if ET is sitting? Jrue, Iguodala, Thad, Brand, and Hawes?
Quote from: Hawk on September 29, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
So what is the projected starting lineup if ET is sitting? Jrue, Iguodala, Thad, Brand, and Hawes?
Thats it.
Hopefully ET starts showing some promise at the 2. If not, I'll be getting ill.
i wish battie was like five years younger so they could bring hawes or speights off the bench
i cant recall a softer front line than that...say what you want about the godfather but he could defend the front of the rim...they are gonna get slaughtered inside the paint this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2010, 12:59:50 PM
i wish battie was like five years younger so they could bring hawes or speights off the bench
i cant recall a softer front line than that...say what you want about the godfather but he could defend the front of the rim...they are gonna get slaughtered inside the paint this year
Well all the talk from Collins about Brand revolves around defense and rebounding. Maybe Brand recreates his old injured self.
Quote from: Hawk on September 29, 2010, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2010, 12:59:50 PM
i wish battie was like five years younger so they could bring hawes or speights off the bench
i cant recall a softer front line than that...say what you want about the godfather but he could defend the front of the rim...they are gonna get slaughtered inside the paint this year
Well all the talk from Collins about Brand revolves around defense and rebounding. Maybe Brand recreates his old injured self.
Brand has apparantly lost alot of weight for this season. But he is what he is at this point in his career. I dont expect any rebirth.
Hawes is what scares me. Cant rebound and his D is non existant. As Grillin said our frontcourt is marshmelow soft.
i was more talking about having a guy who was an overall tought intimidating defensive presence that can guard the basket...brand was never that
even in his prime on the boards he was always a cerebral position type rebounder...which is why he was so good as an offensive rebounder...i bet he never finished in the top five in total rebounds tho...hes not a pillsbury doughboy like hawes but he is a long way away from antonio davis too...and that was when he was young and healthy
who was the last no. 2 pick to be healthy and come off the bench to start the season?
i dont get the feeling ET is gonna be a bust but i certainly get the feeling he is at best a marginal starter and most likely nothing more than a role player
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100930_Brand_s_loss_is_the_Sixers__gain.html
Brand sucks and the Melo' will NEVER be a Sixer. Move on.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2010/09/lou-williams-pays-homage-to-allen-iverson.html
Quote from: Wilbert on September 29, 2010, 11:09:13 AM
So how much of a project is Evan Turner going to turn into?
Collins is going to start the season with him as a backup point. Dougs comments concerning ET at his presser a few days back pretty much scream out, Evan cant play 2 gaurd.
That means Dre having to put in minutes at the 2 again.
Recent quote from Doug.
"That means No. 2 overall pick Evan Turner is primarily the backup point guard, which Sixers coach Doug Collins said is likely to continue for at least the foreseeable future because it allows Turner to play how he did at Ohio State -with the ball in his hands.
"I just want him to do what he does well," Collins said. "He's a facilitator right now."
Nothing we havent already heard, but was hoping ET was farther along the pike in playing at the 2 spot than he is.
At Dougs presser a he also said ET, "Doesnt know what to " in regards to the 2 spot.
Wonderful!
I'm not in the panic mode yet, but if ET cant play the 2, its worse fears realized.
Collins has been known to be hard on rookies. He believes you have to earn your minutes no matter what. I look at it this way, if he plays second fiddle for a bit and learns by watching it cant hurt a team that's not even a playoff contender.
Then the other argument is why waste the 2nd pick for a guy who wont start, plus how will he learn if hes not thrown into the fire right away to get the game time experience? I look at Jrue's development from the lack of minutes he played till now and its night and day. I look at indiana's danny grangers development from his rookie year till now and its centuries away from where he was, etc. The same can be said for Turner. The skills that he possesses wont allow him to watch from the bench for long...especially on the sixers.
I have no problem with ET starting the season on the bench. Collins is old school NBA. It doesnt surprise me.
What concerns me is he has him backing up the point gaurd position.
Ideally I'd want ET being used at the 2. In my mind thats what suits our retooling the best.
We'll see how it rolls with ET, but I'd hate to think we used a #2 overall pick on a point gaurd when we already had that position covered.
right now he cant shoot well enough to play the two...hes sort of like ray allen without the shot
he has to learn how to get his own shot in the league...particularly how to come off of screens and curls and shoot the ball...something he never did in college since the ball was always in his hands...so i think what doug is doing is putting him in his comfort zone at the point and try to exploit some size mismatches...post him up some...but generally just let the ball be in his hands and have him get comfortable to playing at this level...turner isnt like most top draft picks where they can get by on talent from the start.....et has to learn how to play in the league first since he doesnt have an over the top skill set like a favors or wall
so Im standing in line at the eagles game, with about a thousand other heads cramming our way to pass through the security check, and I look over and who do I see...Evan Turner
tall-ass, skinny as could be with what looked like two midget 12th graders with him...no lie. He walked up to the security guy and I guess asked him where he should go. Not a soul recognized him. just a strange scenario all the way around.
Lets hope he wasn't sitting in Die-Hards section
A little sixer teaser. some 5 on 5
http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2010/10/01/100930practicemov-1428655/index.html
some good interviews on the site.
Anyone who saw the game tonight - whats the good news? See anything worthwhile?
I was looking at the box and saw that ET got to the line 12 times but was only 1-6 from the floor. Iggy was 0-5.
And Spencer Hawes was rockin a sexy -17 +/- for the night.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 06, 2010, 12:00:33 AM
Anyone who saw the game tonight - whats the good news? See anything worthwhile?
I was looking at the box and saw that ET got to the line 12 times but was only 1-6 from the floor. Iggy was 0-5.
And Spencer Hawes was rockin a sexy -17 +/- for the night.
Was the game even on locally?? I checked my sixers board and there wasn't even a game thread... and those nerds usually went 18-20 pages on summer league games...
I just ordered the NBA League Pass (Time Warner) and was told that all games will be available in HD this year - anyone know if this is the truth?
Quote from: reese125 on October 05, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
so Im standing in line at the eagles game, with about a thousand other heads cramming our way to pass through the security check, and I look over and who do I see...Evan Turner
tall-ass, skinny as could be with what looked like two midget 12th graders with him...no lie. He walked up to the security guy and I guess asked him where he should go. Not a soul recognized him. just a strange scenario all the way around.
Same thing happened last year - I had Scotty Reynolds standing next to me most of the Denver game, and no one knew who he was..weird. And he was rooting for the Broncos..
76ers name Eric Snow the new color analyst alongside Marc Zumoff for all CSN broadcasts.
What happened to Steve Mix?
I think he's been gone a couple years now.
was last year salmi and pickney? cause they were both terrible.
just Pinckney, but he left to go be an assistant with the Bulls
Donyell Marshall isn't back is he? What an embarrassment.
QuoteThe bad: the starting unit was weak, falling behind 24-19 at the end of the first quarter, and digging a 12-point hole with only a few minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The frontline of Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young, and Elton Brand did not play well together. Iguodala was 0 for 3 from the floor and Young and Brand combined for only 5 defensive rebounds (although that's more than last night against the Celtics). By comparison, Holiday/Turner grabbed 18 defensive rebounds.
A quote from Collins: "They're my leading rebounders in exhibition going into the game tonight. My two guards are my leading rebounders. That is a positive, but you'd like that not to be out of necessity. But that's a huge concern for our team if we can't rebound the ball or defend the paint."
Rebounding has been a concern for awhile. I hate watching them get beaten so badly on the boards.
granted we have more important things to focus on, but how terrible does this team look? is there anything to look forward to besides jrue?
They're an atrocity. I doubt they break 30 wins and could very well win less than what they did last season (27). As bad as attendance was last season I'll bet it's even lower this season. Haven't liked what I've seen from Turner in any of these games. Jrue actually looks like he's regressed. No idea why Igoudala is on this team and Brand looks even worse.
ship this team to turkey with iverson please.
Calm down folks.. it's preseason.
Quote from: Hawk on October 14, 2010, 02:46:16 PM
Calm down folks.. it's preseason.
You're new, but this is the preseason for us to so we're not quite in mid-season form yet when it comes to ripping how awful this team is. It'll get better though once the season starts and the starters are logging more minutes on the court and we get a real chance to observe just how bad they really are.
good summary...
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2010/10/12/sports/doc4cb52a1b14ed3808411632.txt
cant shoot - check
cant rebound - check
cant defend the three pointer - check
cant defend the interior - check
enes kanter in the 2011 draft - blow up franchise
Do they have too many white guys too?
check
and having a #2 pick thatll be out of the league in 4 years
Turner = Reemer?
I'm not ready to right off Evan Turner after struggling in summer league/pre-season.
Also, most of these games haven't been televised, so you're most likely going off box scores...
Once I actually see them in the regular season, I'll make my comments...
From things I've heard (a friend of mine is a beat writer for the Sixers), Turner's looked good....but Jrue's looked HORRENDOUS.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/76ers_Collins_suffering_from_concussion_symptoms.html
Dougie Fresh has omelet brains.
Go Sixers.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 17, 2010, 11:33:43 PM
From things I've heard (a friend of mine is a beat writer for the Sixers), Turner's looked good....but Jrue's looked HORRENDOUS.
I sure hope that isn't true about Jrue.
that tidbit is the first piece of positive buzz ive heard about turner
everything coming out says hes just awful
What's his story? Is he struggling with certain things or is his overall game looking weak?
Quote from: MDS on October 19, 2010, 10:55:11 PM
that tidbit is the first piece of positive buzz ive heard about turner
everything coming out says hes just awful
i dont know what that person is talking about....he puts out that comment a day after jeru goes for a triple double??
its true that he hasnt been very good but hes been light years better than turner
turner was a -20 in last nights game
jeru was the only sixer on the plus side and was a +5....pretty weird number
Not particularly good to see that Jeru was out there for 30 min and not one assist.
Something has to change there.
still no excuse but the team shot 37% so there werent many assists to go around....plus he didnt start which says to me says he was playing with a bunch of more retarded players than usual
My only problem with that is he is settling for jumpers as well since I think he took like 12 shots.
I have to imagine that if he really is going to the hole like he's supposed to somebody has to be cutting to the basket for an assist. If nobody is doing that or Jeru just can't make the inside pass, this team is way worse than I thought.
i put absolutely no stock in the second to last prseason game on the road at cleveland with no coach
theres no chance they werent going thru the motions
thats not a defense of the team because they are horrific but its still fact
Dear God... someone told me the sixers were going with Thad Young at the four and Elton Brand at the 5.. I hope they were farging with me.
Collins concussion symptoms causing him to think that would be good?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 20, 2010, 06:56:59 PM
Collins concussion symptoms causing him to think that would be good?
Potentially..
I actually have some respect for Collins and Thorn, so I'm not as furious at the Sixers direction as I was in years past... I'm patiently waiting for the season to begin so the evaluation of suckiness can began.
I agree.
I'm not angry, I just want to see good things happen this year.
Namely on the defensive and rebounding side of things.
get angry cause nothing good is gonna happen with this team
they are awful and you will lose interest by thanksgiving
Quote from: MDS on October 20, 2010, 07:02:13 PM
get angry cause nothing good is gonna happen with this team
they are awful and you will lose interest by thanksgiving
I love non-basketball/non-sixers fans that need to point out why they don't like the league or why they don't like the sixers. Leave this thread alone... I'll start up a thread about Texas high school softball that you can post in.
i love the sixers but that are an absolute disaster, hunt
turner is hideous but in the least doug collins will be entertaining during pressers
Quote from: MDS on October 20, 2010, 07:26:11 PM
i love the sixers but that are an absolute disaster, hunt
turner is hideous but in the least doug collins will be entertaining during pressers
Not hunt...
You don't know shtein about Turner... you haven't seen him in a single game... and you definitely didn't watch him at OSU...
the kid is a winner .. and someone I wouldn't bet against... he's risen to the occassion at every level thus far in his career, and will do so as a sixer... I don't give a farg about the measurements/etc that people use to criticize him.
i have seen him play...a lot...and he isnt anything special
btw awesome cliches in that post
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2010, 07:37:38 PM
i have seen him play...a lot...and he isnt anything special
btw awesome cliches in that post
So what he did at OSU wasn't special???
Coming back in less than a month after breaking bones in his break and leading the Big Ten in scoring, and finishing second in rebounds/assists. The other things that have been televised thus far are summer league games, so what are you basing your observations on??
And yes... I don't give a crap if the post was filled with cliches, people constantly bet against certain types of players because of pre-draft measurables... and these players prove people wrong.
i dont care what he did in college....i care how his game translates to the pros...and i just dont see the potential for a lot of growth at this level...i like his size and because of that i could see him put up some solid numbers...anything more would be a bonus imo
And he looks like he's going to be a good rebounder/good defender... so if he gets his shot going... and stop being so hesistant... I see him being a very good NBA player..
I'm just hoping that Cousins doesn't haunt us.. but time will tell.
battie 9 rebounds in 16 minutes
lou williams 18 pts in 18 minutes
team with 8 3-pters
all in a rout of the knicks
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2010, 09:28:37 PM
battie 9 rebounds in 16 minutes
lou williams 18 pts in 18 minutes
team with 8 3-pters
all in a rout of the knicks
You left out your boy Kapono.
he was put on earth to play large in final preseason games of the year
Quote from: MDS on October 20, 2010, 07:26:11 PM
i love the sixers but that are an absolute disaster, hunt
turner is hideous but in the least doug collins will be entertaining during pressers
stop being such a negative Hoyda fan.
Jrue's dunk on Randolph was #1 on sportscenter.
Hey remember when you guys have been virtually unwatched for 7 years....
It's been 9 years since AI stepped over Tyrone Lue...
Hey, you also remember when Robert Horry hit gigantic threes in both games 2 and 3, ending our hopes... farg you guys too.
hizzawk might be drunker than me
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2010, 01:04:09 AM
hizzawk might be drunker than me
Nah... didn't even drink tonight.. I was going to hit up M street if the Phils won, but as soon as that strike out occurred I decided to stay in.
video of collins talking about his teaching philosophy and basically re-teaching the game to the players. Man...these kind of talks have me thinking they might not eclipse 25 wins this season
http://www.phillyburbs.com/opinions/blogs/intell_blogs/intell_blogs_details/article/634/2010/october/24/video-collins-on-the-teaching-aspect-of-coaching.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/opinions/blogs/intell_blogs/intell_blogs_details/article/634/2010/october/24/video-collins-on-the-teaching-aspect-of-coaching.html)
That is not just Sixer problem that is Basketball as whole. These guys are such freak athletes and they use it to dominate at lower levels, problem is when you get to the NBA most of the guys they are going up against are equal. Just look at how many guys can't hit an open jumper and make foul shots. That is pathetic.
thats a perception because of todays youth, but believe it or not 3-pt scoring and FG%'s have never been higher.
also..you would think that free throw shooting was much better from back in the day where fundamentals were consistently taught, but thats not the case at all. free throw percentages averages have been the same for the past 50 years at the NBA level at around 75%. Coaching can be a huge factor to improve it if you drill it hard enough...but not a lot of time is spent on it still to this day.
silver lining is basketball pre-michael jordan was absolutely unwatchable
before the game opened up, people played like robots moving around chairs like in drills....i.e what college hoops is now. and the actual basketball being played at the college level is horrendous right now. maybe an all time low and that includes the pre-shot clock era.
Quote from: MDS on October 25, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
silver lining is basketball pre-michael jordan was absolutely unwatchable
how would you know you never saw it
im by no means some peach basket and grand ma free throw guy but the game was awesome pre jordan (and it still is)
classic sports network-- with the discolored fuzzy screen and over-sized letters and numbers told him so
Pre-Jordan Magic/Bird/Doc hoops was a trillion times better than the slop we see today.
actually todays game is better....what hurts the league now is the same thing that hurts every pro league....too many teams
contract five or six teams and todays nba is definitely superior to bird/magic times
the jordan era was actually the worst time for nba basketball ever....mike is gawd but the league was pretty painful to watch for much of the 90's
Quote
Sixers' Jrue Holiday had a hard-working summer
Jrue Holiday is all about ball.
The kid, and that's still what he is, is sponsored by adidas, and after games he's often wearing the three stripes. Maybe a sporty hoodie with jeans or a sweater with name-brand kicks.
What Holiday has yet to adopt, like so many in the NBA do, is the high-end fashion sense that transforms a player from gym rat to polished banker.
You almost expect Holiday to leave the arena with a ball under his arm, which you can imagine is how you'd find him most summer days in Southern California.
Holiday is the 76ers' starting point guard, a 20-year-old caught between two worlds: the uphill battle faced by most lower-first-round picks, and the bright future this organization has claimed is his destiny.
On Wednesday, when the Sixers open the regular season against the Miami Heat, Holiday's public revelation will begin.
But for Holiday, the science project began in May.
"We get in the lab. That's what we call it," said Jason Martin, Holiday's trainer-at-home. "We experiment, and we're trying to create a monster. We're mad scientists."
After the Sixers' season ended on April 14 - they finished 27-55, well out of the playoffs - Holiday took a month off. ("He does too much," Martin said. "We actually have to shut him down after the season, mandatory, tell him he can't do anything for a month.") When his ban was lifted, Holiday had two goals for the off-season.
1. Become more explosive and develop a go-to move.
"You see guys like Rajon Rondo, John Wall, Derrick Rose; these guys are fast, quick, explosive, can get up off the floor," Holiday said. "Last year I wasn't like that."
"He didn't feel he had it as much last year, trying to get by people," Martin said.
2. Develop a winning mind-set.
"Mentally, last year was tough for me, my rookie year, playing off and on," said Holiday, whom the Sixers selected with the No. 17 pick of the 2009 NBA draft. "The year for me, collectively, wasn't a good year. Mentally coming in with a winning mind-set, that I'm going to come here and try to take over and try to piece it together and make the playoffs."
Holiday averaged 8.0 points and 3.8 assists a game in easily becoming the highlight - "At least we get to watch Jrue develop" was an oft-heard sentiment - of a disastrous 2009-10 season.
"We listened to what Jrue wanted to do because he's really in tune with himself," Martin explained.
The solution to developing Holiday's explosiveness was training with former Olympic gold medal sprinter Maurice Greene, which is a little like needing driving lessons and calling Dale Earnhardt Jr.
You can't do any better.
For months, Holiday worked with Greene at the track at Oaks Christian School in Westlake Village, Calif.
"Basically he took me through a track workout, something that he went through," Holiday said. "And now I don't like track, just because of what he put me through."
Quickly, Holiday developed a summer routine:
Get up in the morning to lift, and then get some shots up.
Meet Greene at the track, and then get some more shots up.
Later, depending on fatigue, heading to the gym at night and playing for two or three additional hours.
At first, Holiday didn't notice a change in his explosiveness. He was working out with his brother, Justin, who plays for the University of Washington, and Tyler Honeycutt, a sophomore for UCLA.
"They can jump out of the gym," Holiday said. "I'm just sitting there watching and like, 'I suck.' " But then Holiday took a week off from lifting, rested his legs, and returned to the court. He knew he'd added spring when he could put it between his legs after taking off for a dunk.
"I was up there with them," Holiday said, referring to Justin and Honeycutt.
During a preseason game against the Toronto Raptors, in the final seconds of regulation, Holiday had the ball in his hands, out past the left wing. A big man came to set a pick-and-roll, but Holiday faded farther from the basket, eventually settling for a heaved three-pointer near the top of the key.
Watching that game-ending play, Martin thought Holiday would employ his new go-to move, which remains secret mostly for entertainment's sake. ("I really haven't brought it out yet . . . it's in the pocket," explained Holiday.) Holiday said he "should have" used it against the Raptors.
"I actually think about it a lot," Holiday said, "but it's going to happen." He promised to point it out once it did.
Worse than not playing, and not knowing if you'll play, is losing, and losing consistently. Trudging through 27-55 seasons could turn any basketball-loving gym rat into a money-loving banker: Just cash the check and get on the plane, what's the point?
Instead, Holiday spent his summer in the gym with his family - father, mother, brothers, sister, Honeycutt, and Martin - playing basketball and having fun.
"We have the keys to a gym, and Jrue would give a call, 'Let's go, let's do it,' " Martin said. "Jump up. When I say everybody, his father is right there. We're all in the gym." Sometimes those late-night sessions would start at 10 p.m., sometimes at midnight.
"We'd go, and we'd be in there for like three hours, just playing," Holiday said. "That's all we've done our whole life. Just do our workout and then start playing one-on-one and two-on-two.
"Most of us are little kids . . . we're just out there playing, that's all we've ever done. We stay up late anyways, might as well get some work done."
Quote from: SD on October 26, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Pre-Jordan Magic/Bird/Doc hoops was a trillion times better than the slop we see today.
Just curious...why do you think this?
I dont understand why everyone gets caught up in this notion of how good the nba was back in the day. I really think the NBA culture change and "fundamentals" theory has put such a negative mind-set on the game that when it comes to comparing todays nba to the "back in the day" nba game that it becomes an automatic given that it was better.
The days of watching tall guys in short shorts moving slowly around the court for the pg to take 2 dribbles, pass to the wing, lob it to the big man inside, have him miss, get the offensive board and put back for his 55th point 20th rebound are long gone and imo completely unwatchable.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
actually todays game is better....what hurts the league now is the same thing that hurts every pro league....too many teams
contract five or six teams and todays nba is definitely superior to bird/magic times
the jordan era was actually the worst time for nba basketball ever....mike is gawd but the league was pretty painful to watch for much of the 90's
You're entitled to your opinion but I disagree. 80's NBA was the golden age as far as I'm concerned. Teams actually played like a team, there were great rivalries, Defense was an art form, good teams had a clear identity, and eye opening dunks were eye opening because they didn't happen every other play. Jordan was the NBA, so as for your second point I agree. I couldn't stand all the Jordan/Bulls fans that would talk shtein. "Oh, you're a Sixers fan? They blow, I root for the Bulls". Yeah good for you scumbag, any mindless idiot could hop on a winning teams bandwagon and talk shtein. I blame the Jordan era for a lot of the slop we see today. With Jordan the NBA figured out that marketing a player was huge for the league, then they took that and tried to market every marginal superstar on the planet. This makes for bad basketball because a team is usually a superstar - who gets all the calls - and a bunch of individuals. It's not a fun league to watch anymore.
the league was better then not the game...this is an important distinction that most people miss
Quote from: SD on October 26, 2010, 11:12:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
actually todays game is better....what hurts the league now is the same thing that hurts every pro league....too many teams
contract five or six teams and todays nba is definitely superior to bird/magic times
the jordan era was actually the worst time for nba basketball ever....mike is gawd but the league was pretty painful to watch for much of the 90's
there were great rivalries
couldnt agree more on this point
part of the problem now is the media (espn) trys to create rivalries....back then they just happened
Quote from: MDS on October 25, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
silver lining is basketball pre-michael jordan was absolutely unwatchable
:-D :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2010, 11:12:43 AM
the league was better then not the game...this is an important distinction that most people miss
yep--which brought a bigger fan base. Now its the empathy factor where fans dont see themselves in the players as they once probably did. How many so-called 'blue collar guys" were out there making minimal dollars but playing their asses off...plenty. The fans could relate. Now its like SD said....money and marketing--which can bring down a league and its original fan base real fast.
but it also goes in reverse where the nba is gaining more popularity now because the young buck fan doesnt care about that blue-collar shtein. all they want to see is the glitter and glam of an nba superstar. I could care either way.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2010, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: SD on October 26, 2010, 11:12:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
actually todays game is better....what hurts the league now is the same thing that hurts every pro league....too many teams
contract five or six teams and todays nba is definitely superior to bird/magic times
the jordan era was actually the worst time for nba basketball ever....mike is gawd but the league was pretty painful to watch for much of the 90's
there were great rivalries
couldnt agree more on this point
part of the problem now is the media (espn) trys to create rivalries....back then they just happened
i will always love 90s nba. i was an impressionable 8 year old and it was when i thought professional athletes were role models and super awesome and cool. cant change that.
btw pre-jordan era doesnt mean his dynasty run...it means the 80s run when he came into the league. anything before that, like early 80s and 70s and 60s, etc. is the unwatchable and awful.
but i guess they really played some hard nosed tough defense back then, and set picks and new how to hit mid range jumpers. they played basketball the way it was meant to be played, by white people i mean strong men. none of that happens now. so i might be wrong.
That's it, it's a black/white thing. I'm pretty sure the ratio of white to black players in the 80's was less than what it is now. There weren't as many Croatian/European/Turks back then.
lets ignore everything there and focus on this
you do realize Croatia and Turkey are countries in Europe and that Europe is a continent, right?
Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2010, 02:46:53 PM
lets ignore everything there and focus on this
you do realize Croatia and Turkey are countries in Europe and that Europe is a continent, right?
yeah, I was testing you. You passed.
its just such a random combination to list
its like saying new yorkers/americans/houstonians
Quote from: MDS on October 26, 2010, 03:13:53 PM
its just such a random combination to list
its like saying new yorkers/americans/houstonians
pretty sure Turkey is technically part of Asia anyway. Croatia I always associated with Russia and assumed it was in Eurasia
i think turkey is in both europe and asia, kind of like russia
either way we're getting off base here. clearly i have a better functioning understanding of basic geography than you. this is terrific and essentially validates my entire life.
BACK TO THE SIXERS
they are starting jason kapono at the 3. discuss this awful team. go.
So Evan Turner is probably not going to start.
Huh.
Nocioni must look pathetic
Quote from: SD on October 26, 2010, 11:12:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 26, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
actually todays game is better....what hurts the league now is the same thing that hurts every pro league....too many teams
contract five or six teams and todays nba is definitely superior to bird/magic times
the jordan era was actually the worst time for nba basketball ever....mike is gawd but the league was pretty painful to watch for much of the 90's
You're entitled to your opinion but I disagree. 80's NBA was the golden age as far as I'm concerned. Teams actually played like a team, there were great rivalries, Defense was an art form, good teams had a clear identity, and eye opening dunks were eye opening because they didn't happen every other play. Jordan was the NBA, so as for your second point I agree. I couldn't stand all the Jordan/Bulls fans that would talk shtein. "Oh, you're a Sixers fan? They blow, I root for the Bulls". Yeah good for you scumbag, any mindless idiot could hop on a winning teams bandwagon and talk shtein. I blame the Jordan era for a lot of the slop we see today. With Jordan the NBA figured out that marketing a player was huge for the league, then they took that and tried to market every marginal superstar on the planet. This makes for bad basketball because a team is usually a superstar - who gets all the calls - and a bunch of individuals. It's not a fun league to watch anymore.
I agree Jordan may be the worst thing to ever happen to the NBA. You can look at the numbers all you want fact of the matter is it was a better game. And I stand by my point on the shooting. The mid-range jumper is a lost art.
Talent wise the NBA probably never has been better, doesn't equal a better game.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 27, 2010, 01:03:56 PM
Talent wise the NBA probably never has been better, doesn't equal a better game.