The Rest of the NBA

[MDS]

I can't believe David Stern is allowing this to happen. The fact that the most marketable and profitable franchise in the league has been inconsequential for the past 7 years is killing the NBA. Two of the best teams reside in Phoenix and San Antonio. If it wasn't for the Celtics, the NBA would be further sliding into irrelevance this year. 

But obviously, as someone who despises everything and anything about New York, this is great.

[reese125]

Arenas' take on contracts and especially about Iggy: (which he is right)

You know, I want to say something to some of the young players out there in this game today. Especially somebody like Luol Deng who turned down that big contract. You don't turn down $12 million. Period. That's me, personally. I learned when I did my deal: Don't look at other people's money when you do your deal. Unfortunately, that's what this league is about. They see a player that they think they're better than, and they try to jump over them.

So now, Luol, you're over here in a contract year and you're not doing so well as a team. You get paid as a team. Now you're going to be a free agent, and if you keep this up, that $12 million might not be on the table. So he turned down $12 million, Okafor said he wants Dwight Howard's money ... I mean, you ain't Dwight Howard. It's like them two had a discussion together about turning down the $12 million. Then Iguodala turned down $12 million ... What is going on in the NBA? Iggy, you're from Arizona, baby. You don't turn down that much money. I don't know who your agent is, but Agent Zero says you don't turn down that $12 million.

I just don't understand it. Then Varejao, he has for $60 million and ends up with three years for $17 million. You could have got that contract last summer! You done missed 20 games of the season getting paid the same money you could have got last summer. For the deal you just signed, you could have got that this summer from the Cleveland Cavaliers without losing no basketball time. By the time you're playing again and are ready back in your form, I'm going to be playing again! It's a damn shame.

If I was they parents ... Whooo! They would get some nice little butt whippings. Not trying to be funny here, but what's the difference between 12 and 13 or 14? I mean, I know they're all looking for max deals ... but it's like Charles Barkley says, max players put people in them seats. If you're not putting people in them seats, you are not a max player.

If you average 15-16 points, you're not a max player. It ain't just about scoring, but I know Okafor is asking for Dwight's money, but he's doing what Dwight does. If you did what Dwight does, then that's an argument, but you don't. So don't ask for Dwight money, $12,000,000 is what you get.

Same thing with Luol. I love the way Luol plays, but right now if you're not better than Tayshaun and Carmelo and the best threes out there, if you aren't valuable to your team like that ... I mean he's valuable to the Bulls, but not in the ways that those guys are. So, $12,000,000 is what you got.

Same thing with Iguodala. I know after A.I. left, you were supposed to be that No. 1 guy, but, the way he plays the game, he doesn't have that. He's not that type of player. He's a second guy. An assistant coach told me a great story about him. When he was in Arizona, he said he was like 9-for-11 from the field and he apologized to the team for shooting 11 shots. From that day on, I just called him Scottie Pippen. He's a Scottie Pippen type of player. A great, overall player. He's your glue player. You need a superstar and then you need him. So $12 million is good for you. Nothing more and nothing less. Be happy with the $12 million.

With me, everybody was like "Oh, they overpaid!" And then two years later it was like, "Oh, they underpaid!" No! At the time, that's what they offered me and that's what I took. So if I become a four or five-time All-Star after that, hey, I wasn't underpaid. At the time, that's what I was worth. I might have increased my value since then, but at the time, that's what I was worth.

At this time, $12 million is what they're all worth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Same thing with Ben Wallace when he got paid his $60 million through four years. At that time, at that moment, that summer, he was worth that. I'm not saying that's what he's worth now, but at the time he signed, that's what he was worth.

This is where when keeping it real goes wrong. Sometimes holding out is for the good, sometimes it backfires which is happening now to some players. This year has been the weirdest year I've ever seen with Matt Barnes signing a one-year deal, with Pietrus – who did well – signing a one-year deal and then I don't know if you all even know this, when Jameer Nelson went at Devin Harris and said, "I should be getting paid like Devin Harris, what does he do?" At the end of the day, Devin Harris got paid what Dallas wanted to give him. That's not Devin Harris' fault. Don't blame Devin Harris.

That's what players don't understand. You're sitting there worrying about what somebody else is getting and you end up not seeing what's in front of you and you're going to be mad at the end of the day.

What's the difference between 12 and 13 or 14? I know it's $1 million, that's a lot of money, but if you're sitting there asking for 13-14 and they offer you 12 and you say, "No" then next summer you get offered, 10 or nine, now you're going to be looking back like Joe Smith. He would never ever get that money back when he turned down that $90 million from Golden State. Y'all got to start looking at these people man. Sprewell, he turned down $21 million. I think he's still holding out!

People don't realize, these people do exist.

Samaki Walker – I played with Samaki. He told me the story. He turned down the money in Dallas because he was looking at all these other people getting paid. There's all these other people getting max deals and he's thinking, "Man, I was killing for Dallas so I wanted to hold out and then I end up signing a $3 million deal, got traded to the Lakers where I'm sitting behind Shaq, from there I came over here as a free agent." He never made that money back. He ended up losing $40-some million.

You never know what's going to happen. Nothing is guaranteed. I'm talking to three players that are trying to get $12 million and I gave you three examples of players who lost a total of almost $200 million. One lost $90 million and he ended up signing a $20-something million deal – Joe Smith. Samaki lost $40-something million and ended up signing a total of $8 million and Sprewell turned down $21 million.

That's what I'm saying, people be looking at other peoples' money. You're looking at other peoples' things and you're trying to do your contract off of their contract. People are put in different situations. You don't know what their situation is. When I signed my deal, I was happy to sign my deal. I wasn't looking around to see who was getting paid, I didn't care because I knew they shouldn't be caring about mine.

The person who taught me that lesson was Jay-Z in one of his songs, "Where is the Love?" It's something funny like, "I don't (bleep) what you eat" or "What you eat don't make me (bleep)." That's basically the same thing I think.

It ain't about just Iggy, Deng and Emeka, it's about everyone. It's about all young players out there who are going into negotiating and who are be going to do it in the future. If somebody offers you $12 million and you think you're worth more than that, somebody should punch you in your face if you turn down that money. What if you get hurt and you can't play basketball again? You just lost $60 million. You just threw away a great lottery ticket. That's what people don't understand.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Farny.

[ice grillin you]

anyone who doesnt think andre can get at least 5 years at 60 million in the offseason is buggin...make sure you post agent zeros blog next august after iguodala signs

[reese125]

signs for what...the max? He already turned $57 million from King.

we'll make sure we go back to your boast how Iggy is exactly the guy you dont build around and hes not a franchise player....but yet now you want to pay him like one

[ice grillin you]

show me anywhere on this board where i said i would pay that for him

are you that farging stupid (rhetorical)

im saying that arenas is off base in crtiicizing that iguodala should have definitely signed for what the sixers offered him and insinuating that he has some sort of personal defect cause he didnt...

he made the right move...hes gonna make that much this offseason and could easily make more...plus he could end up in a better situation than on the pathetic sixers

joe johnson who is not close to a #1 got 5 years for 70 million and that was three years ago...you dont think iguodala could get 12 mil this summer?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That's kind of the whole point of the article - that for every guy that you point to that got the money, there's another guy that held out for it and missed millions.

[reese125]

exactly

Iggy is a friggin turnover machine right now and he might of blew his wad. GM's might just realize that you cant have the ball in his hands or that will happen. How do you pay a guy more than what was offered by King who cant handle the rock

He's a nice well-rounded player, but I think he should of took what was offered for a 2nd option player

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Ultimately, you both could be right on Igoudala.  But IGY does have the better chance, because it only takes one GM to overpay.

[ice grillin you]

That's kind of the whole point of the article - that for every guy that you point to that got the money, there's another guy that held out for it and missed millions.

im not talking about every guy im talking about iguodala...in fact i only read the bolded parts

calling him out for not accpeting the contract he was offered is stupid...he a made a completely legitimate decision to not sign it...if you wanna call people out give a better example than andre...or at least wait until he signs for like 30 mil next summer and then kill him

i mean forget the money how does arenas know that iguodala doesnt wanna get out of philly...since hes a restricted FA the worst that can happen is he uses the rest fo the league to drive up a sixers offer and he stays and best case is he gets more than 57 and gets outta dodge

the bottom line is there is an excellent chance he gets the same offer again and there is a good chance he gets a bigger offer...so to use him as someone who was an idiot for not taking the original offer is retarded

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Plus, he's a human highlight reel!

[Feva]

Hawks and Heat get a "Do-over"

[phattymatty]

i went to the lakers-bucks game tonight.  the staples center is awesome and bynum is gonna be great.

[reese125]

no doubt about it. the guy is so friggin athletic around the basket.

Im jeaous you were there

[Dillen]

Iggy is a friggin turnover machine right now

Earlier in the year I would agree with you since he was averaging 4+ turnovers a game but now he's down to around 3. I'm looking at the game logs right now and outside of the past 2 games he's been relatively fine since November 20th. He's having a lot better year than I thought, 19 points 6 boards 5 assists 2 steals and a block. I don't even like him that much but he is having a real good year.