We hear all about how he's a great teammate and how he plays the game the right way and all of that jazz. But the fact of the matter is that he comes from family of bitchasses. The whole Eli draft day crying game was one thing I hated. And Archie acting like his kids are the NFL. Whatever.
Today Mr. Great Teammate laid this gem out there in his press conference...
"I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but let's just say there was protection problems".
Hello?!? He's the jerkoff who sets the protections with all of the pre-snap garbage! And yet he tosses his OL right under the bus because yet again he failed to win a big game in the playoffs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 15, 2006, 06:30:40 PM
We hear all about how he's a great teammate and how he plays the game the right way and all of that jazz. But the fact of the matter is that he comes from family of bitchasses. The whole Eli draft day crying game was one thing I hated. And Archie acting like his kids are the NFL. Whatever.
Today Mr. Great Teammate laid this gem out there in his press conference...
"I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but let's just say there was protection problems".
Hello?!? He's the jerkoff who sets the protections with all of the pre-snap garbage! And yet he tosses his OL right under the bus because yet again he failed to win a big game in the playoffs.
Peyton does suck...but so did his offensive line THEY SUCKED MORE....he can tell them who to block but the dickhead has to do it ::)
Sure...but you don't go and call them out in the post game. Not after they kept that fraud clean throughout the entire season.
Keep it in-house.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 15, 2006, 06:53:27 PM
Sure...but you don't go and call them out in the post game. Not after they kept that fraud clean throughout the entire season.
Keep it in-house.
He's not a fraud but poorly coached...coaching wins playoff games...except the 85 Bears
The media better give Manning just as much shtein as they gave Donnie after XXXIX. This was the best chance Indy and Manning will have to win a SB, and the guy couldnt come through in the end.
I really dislike the entire Manning clan too. They should all rot.
A QB should NEVER EVER publicly call out his O-Line. Ever.
Quote from: fansince61 on January 15, 2006, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 15, 2006, 06:53:27 PM
Sure...but you don't go and call them out in the post game. Not after they kept that fraud clean throughout the entire season.
Keep it in-house.
He's not a fraud but poorly coached...coaching wins playoff games...except the 85 Bears
Thats bullshtein....BIG time bullshtein.
ANd FF and Phreak hit the nail on the head. Never call out your oline.
I've said for 3 years that Manning was a fraud and 100 times the "choker" that McNabb ever could be. I got laughed at every time.
Who's laughing now?
O linemen have long memories. Peyton better watch his ass next year!
Agreed, I've been saying that about Manning for a few years, as well.
Manning's stats are better than McNabb's...but, his career is starting to resemble Marino's--stat-column champ, low on meaningful wins.
Losing the first game of the playoffs after going 13-3 and having HFA throughout? Hasn't yet happened to Donovan. McNabb is kicking Manning's ass, when it comes to the most important statistics--winning playoff games.
All-time playoff records after today:
Manning 3-6
McNabb 7-5
The Eagles have been to four NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl in McNabb's six seasons as a starter. The Colts have been to two AFC Championship games and zero Super Bowls in Manning's eight seasons as a starter.
And, I agree with Die-Hard...it's hard to imagine Manning and the Colts having any better set-up to go to the SB than they had this year, including the Pats getting knocked out for them yesterday.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on January 15, 2006, 08:47:12 PM
And, I agree with Die-Hard...it's hard to imagine Manning and the Colts having any better set-up to go to the SB than they had this year, including the Pats getting knocked out for them yesterday.
No shtein. Somewhere Tom Brady is laughing. I wonder where the Colts will go from here. They have alot of "key" guys who are going to be FAs, Wayne, etc., and not alot of money. Especially thanks to the excellent decision to bring in Corey Simon for a ton of cash. Whatever they do, I hope it is a long, ugly process.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on January 15, 2006, 08:47:12 PM
Agreed, I've been saying that about Manning for a few years, as well.
Manning's stats are better than McNabb's...but, his career is starting to resemble Marino's--stat-column champ, low on meaningful wins.
Losing the first game of the playoffs after going 13-3 and having HFA throughout? Hasn't yet happened to Donovan. McNabb is kicking Manning's ass, when it comes to the most important statistics--winning playoff games.
All-time playoff records after today:
Manning 3-6
McNabb 7-5
The Eagles have been to four NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl in McNabb's six seasons as a starter. The Colts have been to two AFC Championship games and zero Super Bowls in Manning's eight seasons as a starter.
And, I agree with Die-Hard...it's hard to imagine Manning and the Colts having any better set-up to go to the SB than they had this year, including the Pats getting knocked out for them yesterday.
Not to mention, Manning's supporting cast on offense has always been 100 times better than what McNabb had to work with (with the exception of last year with TO and Westbrook...and McNabb won 2 playoff games without TO).
while peyton is a sickening individual stop comparing him to mcnabb...manning is a much better qb...if mcnabb played in the afc he might have never won a playoff game
its kinda sad when you have to rip on a hall of famer to make yourself feel better about your own qb
whats next youd rather have mcnabb than manning?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
while peyton is a sickening individual stop comparing him to mcnabb...manning is a much better qb...if mcnabb played in the afc he might have never won a playoff game
its kinda sad when you have to rip on a hall of famer to make yourself feel better about your own qb
whats next youd rather have mcnabb than manning?
BS...
Manning has much prettier stats and fundamentally, yeah he is better than McNabb, but in the playoffs Manning doesn't evn compare to McNabb as jeff already pointed out. In the postseason, I wouldn't touch Manning with a ten-foot pole.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
while peyton is a sickening individual stop comparing him to mcnabb...manning is a much better qb...if mcnabb played in the afc he might have never won a playoff game
its kinda sad when you have to rip on a hall of famer to make yourself feel better about your own qb
whats next youd rather have mcnabb than manning?
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Oh seriously, shut the farg up. You know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Choking in the big game. LOSING EVERY PLAYOFFS.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
while peyton is a sickening individual stop comparing him to mcnabb...manning is a much better qb...if mcnabb played in the afc he might have never won a playoff game
its kinda sad when you have to rip on a hall of famer to make yourself feel better about your own qb
whats next youd rather have mcnabb than manning?
Compare what weapons Peyton has to what Donovan has had.
Peyton puts up the numbers, and that'll get him into the HOF for sure. But everyone in thsi town that hates on McNabb likes to point out that he isn't a leader but Peyton is. Or they say how much more fundamentally sound Peyton is, but McNabb is not.
While the fundamentals are probably better, what exactly has Peyton done to completely distance himself from McNabb?
Peyton has no excuse to not be in the Super Bowl this year. But yet he pissed the bed again.
i dont think either of them are chokers...manning has run into better teams and mcnabb just isnt good enough
seriously if the eagles were in the afc they would have been hard pressed to win more than a playoff game or two this decade
Yeah, but you can only play who is on your schedule.
And if Peyton and his boys can run it up during the regular season against the big, bad, brutal AFC why can't he get it done in the playoffs?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:23:05 PM
i dont think either of them are chokers...manning has run into better teams and mcnabb just isnt good enough
seriously if the eagles were in the afc they would have been hard pressed to win more than a playoff game or two this decade
The Colts dominated that entire AFC during the regular season though... only to fall flat on their faces right from the get-go come playoff time.
they do run it up in the playoffs...in the last three years hes put up over 40 pts twice and over 35 three times...he just doesnt do it against superior teams such as new england and pittsburgh
and in those cases he has come up short...but lets not compare mcnabb to him
as for blasting away at peyton in general...fire in the hole...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:23:05 PM
i dont think either of them are chokers...manning has run into better teams and mcnabb just isnt good enough
seriously if the eagles were in the afc they would have been hard pressed to win more than a playoff game or two this decade
For crying out loud... :sly
I know you've been drumming this up for awhile, IGY, but this is just downright ridiculous. Is McNabb worse than Theismann? Simms? Heck, Trent Dilfer even won a Bowl. How can you say that McNabb isn't "good enough?"
Is he Montana, Marino, or Unitas? No. But what five QB's would you put over him right now? Heck, if he isn't "good enough," you should be able to come up with ten.
Calling Peyton a fraud is a bit much. Is he a big game choker? Absolutely, just like our QB. Is he a HOF quarterback and the best pure QB playing the game today? No doubt. Is he the best team leader? No, that's Tom Brady.
There's nothing fraudulent about the numbers Peyton has put up since coming into the league, and he's done it while being the de facto offensive coordinator as well.
let me clarify....i think mcnabb is a good enough qb to win a sb...but hes not going to win one for you
with him you better have a sick defense...or a dominant oline/running game
He's a fraud, not because of his NUMBERS, but because of the type of "leader" he is....and the way he plays when the season is on the line.
He's built up by the entire world to be the best QB that ever played the game. He can't get it done, and then when he fails, he blames the others around him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:36:19 PM
let me clarify....i think mcnabb is a good enough qb to win a sb...but hes not going to win one for you
with him you better have a sick defense...or a dominant oline/running game
OK, name the QBs you'd rather have than McNabb.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 15, 2006, 08:27:34 PM
A QB should NEVER EVER publicly call out his O-Line. Ever.
That's for damn sure. It's the same thing with that guy calling out McNabb. In a team sport like football... you should never dog a player/group that you're so dependent on by the nature of your position.
I am sick of the McNabb bashing that goes on in certain quarters of this board. Without him, the Eagles suck ass. Period.
So, please... shut the farg up about Donovan.
As for Manning, he proved again that when the chips are on the line, he folds about as bad as any so-called superstar I've ever seen. They beat dat ass this year, yet when the playoffs roll around, he ends up overthrowing people and bitching about his offensive line at the postmortem presser.
I hope he's called out onto the carpet for tossing his boys under the bus like that. But, of course, being the "golden" boy, he won't be.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:23:05 PM
seriously if the eagles were in the afc they would have been hard pressed to win more than a playoff game or two this decade
Even if your statement was correct, that would still put the Eagles about on a par with the three playoff wins Manning's Colts have had over his career so far:
1999 ten L,16-19
2000 mia L,17-23
2002 nyj L,0-41
2003 den W,41-10
2003 kan W,38-31
2003 nwe L,14-24
2004 den W,49-24
2004 nwe L,3-20
2005 pit L, 18-21
As PG and others have pointed out, he also has a rather talented cast of supporting teammates in Edge, Harrison, Reggie Wayne, etc...while the list of superstars with which McNabb has played playoff games includes...um...TO, in one game...the one they lost last season.
So, while we can point out that Manning's offense put up wins while scoring 41, 38, and 49 points, they also put up losses where they scored 16, 17, 0, 14, 3, and 18 points...so, it can't really be blamed on the Colts never having a good defense.
I wouldn't call him a fraud, but his career is trending like Marino's...puts up a lot of stats, but conspicuously few meaningful wins. I'd tend to prefer to have the guy who wins meaningful games, unless I'm picking a fantasy football team.
I would just like to say, that I called this the day after the regular season ended.
Tony farging Dungy. :-D
Every year everyone is foolish enough to think the Colts will finally win it all. It won't happen with Manning and Dungy at the helm. Manning isn't the only one of that team that doesn't show up in big games. Dungy doesn't either. He's always gets out-coached in big games.
Manning is a better regular season QB than McNabb but not a better postseason QB. McNabb looks like Brady compared to Manning in the postseason. McNabb isn't a third the choker Manning is. If Manning's defense didn't play as well as they ddi today this game wouldn't have even been that close. They got nice pressure on Roethlisberger, and shut the running game down early. They also stopped drives the Steelers had when it was 14-0. The defense didn't let down, but Manning and the offense did. He got in rythm in the 4th when there was nothing to lose, but early on his passes were over/under thrown. He got happy feet like he always does in big games, and mad uncharacteristic passes. Plus that INT in the 4th was a crock of you know what to overturn.
Give me McNabb over Manning 16 games a year. You have a better chance to win with him, and that is all that really matters.
it is a team game.
either way you want to mold it, manning 0 rings, mcnabb 0 rings.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
while peyton is a sickening individual stop comparing him to mcnabb...manning is a much better qb...if mcnabb played in the afc he might have never won a playoff game
its kinda sad when you have to rip on a hall of famer to make yourself feel better about your own qb
whats next youd rather have mcnabb than manning?
u have a good point about NFC and AFC. Alot more competition in AFC. But others stated well that McNabb's success in playoffs is alot better than Mannings. Playoffs are what counts and oh yea Super Bowl Rings too.
I think nobody is as good a pocket QB than Peyton. Peyton doesn't have the ability to run though, which is a vital ability to have when you have zesty receivers and no run game. McNabb is the perfect QB for the eagles. Now if TO was normal and we had a solid run game, I'd take Peyton Manning. He's just more accurate of a QB. That is not reality and if Peyton was behind our o-line this year, working with no run game, receivers and a defense that was on the field 80%, tired and couldn't stop shtein, I find it hard for any QB to be able to get into the playoffs.
Peyton got pressured today bigtime, and I'm not saying McNabb could of done better, but the problem was that the team didn't adjust to what the Steelers we bringing on D. Oh, that sounds familiar doesn't it. Adjusting. Never heard of such a great concept. It was wrong of him to call out his O-line, I agree. He's gonna get hammered for that. farg his little brother too, hes almost as gay as Delhomme.
While you may not think Peyton should have called out his o-line, at the end of the day what he said was correct. That offensive line stank and if the o-line aren't man enough to take the truth once in a while their Hoyda-arses shouldn't be playing in the NFL. That said, Peyton's nonsense on the last drive was awful. You get the ball back with 2:42 left and you run ONE FRIGGIN' PLAY before the 2MW?
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on January 15, 2006, 11:45:48 PM
it is a team game.
either way you want to mold it, manning 0 rings, mcnabb 0 rings.
Except Donovan has never had weapons like Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, etc. to play with like Manning has. Give Donovan those three and he'd have a handful of rings on his hand by now.
would you trade mcnabb for manning straight up right now???
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 08:18:59 AM
would you trade mcnabb for manning straight up right now???
no
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 08:18:59 AM
would you trade mcnabb for manning straight up right now???
Yes, but I'd probably regret it later, once McNabb shows how good he is with a real OL and offensive weapons.
before everyone calls him a choker, let's remember that he had his team in position to tie the game, and that ass of a kicker choked.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 16, 2006, 08:58:44 AM
before everyone calls him a choker, let's remember that he had his team in position to tie the game, and that ass of a kicker choked.
Bullshtein. That interception WAS an INT and a zesty throw by Peyton that SHOULD have cost them the game. McNabb makes that throw and everyone on here throws him under the bus.
Edited to add....here is a comment I know we'd here a million times, "The team almost won DESPITE McNabb's throw. That SHOULD have been an INT. He did his best to lose us the game but we almost won it anyway."
it was pretty damn funny that vanderjerk missed the kick. :-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 16, 2006, 09:00:06 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 16, 2006, 08:58:44 AM
before everyone calls him a choker, let's remember that he had his team in position to tie the game, and that ass of a kicker choked.
McNabb makes that throw and everyone on here throws him under the bus.
he does make that throw, everytime they lose a playoff game.
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 09:01:10 AM
it was pretty damn funny that vanderjerk missed the kick. :-D
what was funnier is that when Pitt called timeout, Vanderchoke looked over to their bench and pointed. then he proceeded to kick the ball just about sideways.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 16, 2006, 09:01:24 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 16, 2006, 09:00:06 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 16, 2006, 08:58:44 AM
before everyone calls him a choker, let's remember that he had his team in position to tie the game, and that ass of a kicker choked.
McNabb makes that throw and everyone on here throws him under the bus.
he does make that throw, everytime they lose a playoff game.
Oh, lets just ignore all of his playoff WINS then, I see. ::)
why did mcnabb's name get brought up in this thread anyway? it has nothing to do with him. :paranoid
back to the original topic...manning seems to be getting buried in the media for his post-game comments...and deservingly so.
Peyton Manning is a lot like Dan Marino was in his playing days. It's never his fault. Well, when you send 4-5 guys out on a route and have 5-6 in to block 6-7, you better get rid of the ball ASAP, or you're farged.
P.S. It would be nice to have a LB that could close on the QB like Joey Porter, and Troy Polamalu is the TRUTH. He might be the best overall safety in the game, now that Dawkins is slightly on the downside.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 16, 2006, 09:09:52 AM
P.S. It would be nice to have a LB that could close on the QB like Joey Porter, and Troy Polamalu is the TRUTH. He might be the best overall safety in the game, now that Dawkins is slightly on the downside.
truth.
pitt is tough...they always seem to be contenders no matter how many free agents they lose.
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 09:06:18 AM
why did mcnabb's name get brought up in this thread anyway? it has nothing to do with him. :paranoid
back to the original topic...manning seems to be getting buried in the media for his post-game comments...and deservingly so.
I brought McNabb up because unlike Peyton, he is not bulletproof when the Eagles lose. Hell, McNabb is shtein on when they don't win convincingly enough. But you won't hear anyone diss the great Peyton for his play on the field because he puts up numbers.
Going back to college, Manning has never won a big game. While Tennessee and Florida were always neck and neck for the SEC championship, Florida was 4-0 vs Manning. They year after Manning left, Tennessee won the national championship with Tee Martin at QB.
This was supposed to be "their year". 13-0 to start out with, never having to leave the dome (therefore no weather excuses), all of the offensive weapons in the world, a supposedly improved defense. I can't ever recall McNabb starting a playoff game 2-9 for 24 yards.
I would like to add that this also demonstrates the difference between Dungy and Reid. The Eagles rested almost all of their starters after the 14th game last season, when they clinched HFA, and a month later, the defense was pumped and they got out to a 14-0 lead on the Vikings. The Colts came out flat, didn't look liked they were on the same page. That, comes down to coaching. I mean, if you can't get fired up when your nemesis gets put out of the playoffs THE DAY BEFORE YOU PLAY, when can you?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2006, 09:31:29 PM
they do run it up in the playoffs...in the last three years hes put up over 40 pts twice and over 35 three times...he just doesnt do it against superior teams such as new england and pittsburgh
and in those cases he has come up short...but lets not compare mcnabb to him
as for blasting away at peyton in general...fire in the hole...
Pittsburgh is the 6th seed last time I checked, hardly superior.
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 08:18:59 AM
would you trade mcnabb for manning straight up right now???
Cataldi said this morning that he'd do it every time because "Manning has a better chance of leading you to a Super Bowl"... :-D
And that is why Cataldi shouldn't have his own show.
He was calling Troy Polamalu "Troy Molamolu" earlier when I was on my way to the eye doc.
Can't get names right and doesn't have a clue.
I went back to Czaban's show on 950 with a quickness and listened to the commercials after tha.
ANother thing that drove me nuts about Manning...when he waved off the punt team yesterday. did you see the look on Dungy's face when Peyton decided to undermine his HC right there on the field? He looked good because he converted it, but what if he misses it? Then he puts Dungy is a bad spot.
- Colts Oline was terrible
- Manning wasnt smart to call them out post game
- Manning choked
- better yet, Elisha Manning sucks, ha.
I prefer to call him "Big Game" Manning. He looked pretty bad yesterday, but you have to give the Steelers D some props. The front seven were awesome yesterday.
why did mcnabb's name get brought up in this thread anyway? it has nothing to do with him
because its a way to defend their own qb's shortcoming by bashing a superior guy...if we can call manning a choker and a bum overrated ect ect ect...then that by default makes mcnabb better
as far as the weapons go im not going to ever sit here and say the colts dont have better options...but how do we know reggie wayne isnt a good wr because of manning...lets see what happens when he leaves this offseason how he does
to me they have better weapons because they have a superior qb in a classic pro set offense suited to him perfectly...where as andy has an innaccurate mobile qb playing in a ridiculous west coast scheme
here is a comment I know we'd here a million times, "The team almost won DESPITE McNabb's throw. That SHOULD have been an INT. He did his best to lose us the game but we almost won it anyway."
truth be told if mcnabb was going against that pitt defense...i dont see him even being in the game to begin with...we saw what happened in pittsburgh last year...mcnabb can play a decent game against the minnesota and atlantas of the world but when playing against teams as good or almost as good he does not rise to the occasion...
hes played 12 playoff games and threw for under 200 yards in HALF OF THEM...and lets not even look at the biggest games...the championships and superbowl...in the divisional round against weak playoff teams he does ok...beyond that forgget it...you better hope your d comes up huge and puts some points on the board cause mcnabb is not going to win the game for you
IGY,
I don't bash Peyton to make McNabb look better. The first reason I bash him is I flat out don't like the guy. He is a fraud in my opinion. But what really bothers me is how bulletproof he is to some. But McNabb takes shot after shot after shot without even having half of the weapons that Peyton has.
I'm not saying McNabb is blame-free here. He deserves to take his shots. But he takes way too many of them.
Peyton has no trouble beatin down those AFC squads in the regular season. But when the playoffs arrive he stinks.
If that was Donovan out there yesterday he'd be getting blasted today. Peyton is taking shots but only for his post game comments. Some are laying the blame on the kicker. But if Akers misses that it is Donovan's fault for not having them in the lead earlier. And some blame the Colts OL. But if that is McNabb it is his fault for taking those sacks.
Also,
I agree with you on we have to wait and see how Wayne is out of Indy. That is one reason why I am a little reluctant to spend fat to bring him here. I see shades of Peerless Price. He very well could be a stud, but at the cost to bring him here if he shteins the bed then it is an expensive mistake.
And there is no way you can say that McNabb wouldn't have been in that game yesterday just because th Eagles looked like ass last year in Pittsburgh. That is crazy stuff.
Phreak,
when you talk about taking shots and getting blasted, are you talking nationally or locally? Because locally, I agree with you, Donovan would be getting killed after a performance like that yesterday, so would Reid, as should both Peyton and Dungy. But how do you know they aren't getting killed in Indy on the radio and in the papers?
If you are talking nationally, I don't think Donovan takes many shots. I think he gets treated similar to Peyton on a national scale.
Mostly locally. Because McNabb is still held in high regard by many national writers and broadcasters. Listening to them say how McNabb'll bounce back versus the garbage that is spewed here on how he;s done and the Eagles are done is night and day different.
But when I listen to ESPN or read some other sites Peyton is a guy who can do no wrong. And they pimp the Manning family like they invented the QB position. I hate that. I would prefer to see them be straight and say the dude sucked when he sucked. I don't mind saying when McNabb stinks. But a lot of the people locally blame McNabb for everything and anything because "he should be a better leader" and every other asinine shot he takes.
We hear how people would love to have almost every other NFL starting QB rather than McNabb. But when those other QBs who people routinely say they'd take over McNabb play like shtein they never take notice. But as soon as the Eagles lose it is all on McNabb. That bothers me.
Limbaugh comes to mind.....
So does that idiot Hodge.
He takes plenty of pot shots. My real problem is that he takes pot shots for stupid shtein, like playing to "white" and being pumped up so a black QB can succeed. That's the stuff that infuriates me. Hittin' him for his play is one thing.
yesterday manning was under ridiculous pressure and still threw for almost 300 without a pick...mcnabb in the same situation would have gone for like 160 and at least a couple picks
and sun makes a good point...mcnabb gets slurped by the national media...he gets criticized here..a lot of times over the top...but thats what philly is...hes not the first and hes far from the last athlete in the city that will get the same...guess what...buck up...win a championship...and you wont have to worry about it
look i depsie manning as much as anyone...i hate them all in fact...the guy is a pompous silver spoon daddys boy...but hes a much better qb than mcnabb...i mean come on
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 10:41:48 AM
yesterday manning was under ridiculous pressure and still threw for almost 300 without a pick
You know that's bullshtein.
so now we do stats on what should have happened not what really did?
pretty much any replay judgement that we deem wrong should not count??
alstott against the skins earlier in the year didnt get in the end zone...so really the skins won that game...correct?
where does it end
how about if manning floated an interception into someones chest and they drop it...should that count as an int too since the db should have caught it?
My whole thing is that you can't say that McNabb would've looked bad yesterday just because it was Pittsburgh and he looked bad against them a year ago. Donovan wouldn't have been a statue in that pocket for the STeelers to tee off on. He might not have run it, but he has more pocket elusiveness than Peyton. So who is to say that Donovan wouldn't have had some success.
One thing that is different is that the Eagles probably would've had a lot of 3-step drop stuff to help offset the rush. As well as screens and things of that nature. But the Colts were running a lot of 7-step drop stuff and that played right into the Steelers hands.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 10:41:48 AM
yesterday manning was under ridiculous pressure and still threw for almost 300 without a pick.
lol, yeah on the final stat sheet. But anyone who watched the game knows Troy Polamalu had a legit INT and was a hair away from picking off a few more. Lucky Manning. You watched the game, Manning threw a bunch of terrible throws that could have been picked. Dont pretend he was throwing great passes under pressure all day.
My point, IGY, is that you said "without a pick" as if it were a big accomplishment for Manning being under pressure all day, but as MURP said, he was throwing garbage and taking sacks all day, just like any QB would be... and the Polamalu overturned INT is only one of his many zesty throws.
22-38 with 290yds, 1 td and zero picks isn't bad...the only real screwup by manning yesterday was his post game comments bashing his o-line, imo.
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 11:42:22 AM
22-38 with 290yds, 1 td and zero picks isn't bad...the only real screwup by manning yesterday was his post game comments bashing his o-line, imo.
Holy shtein hunt, if you're fishing quit it. I can't imagine you actually watched this game and you're serious with this post.
Quote from: MURP on January 16, 2006, 11:04:48 AM
You watched the game, Manning threw a bunch of terrible throws that could have been picked.
Manning doesn't throw picks, his receivers run bad routes.
Uhhhh...he put up 18 points. And he was so lucky to get the last 8 of em. I don't care what his stats say. He sucked yesterday.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 16, 2006, 11:45:24 AM
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 11:42:22 AM
22-38 with 290yds, 1 td and zero picks isn't bad...the only real screwup by manning yesterday was his post game comments bashing his o-line, imo.
Holy shtein hunt, if you're fishing quit it. I can't imagine you actually watched this game and you're serious with this post.
those were his numbers...i didn't make them up if that's what you're asking. :paranoid
it's not like manning singlehandedly blew the game...pitt's D had a great day.
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 16, 2006, 11:45:24 AM
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 11:42:22 AM
22-38 with 290yds, 1 td and zero picks isn't bad...the only real screwup by manning yesterday was his post game comments bashing his o-line, imo.
Holy shtein hunt, if you're fishing quit it. I can't imagine you actually watched this game and you're serious with this post.
those were his numbers...i didn't make them up if that's what you're asking. :paranoid
it's not like manning singlehandedly blew the game...pitt's D had a great day.
no, it's all Petyon's fault, it's Peyton's fault the defense gave up 14 quick points, it's Peyton's fault that Vanderchoke kicked the ball sideways....
christ, these Peyton haters are just as bad as the Donovan haters
you wanna know one of the biggest chokers from yesterday? how about Nick Harper? how his ass got tackled by a QB, I'll never know.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 16, 2006, 11:51:31 AM
you wanna know one of the biggest chokers from yesterday? how about Nick Harper? how his ass got tackled by a QB, I'll never know.
I can see why he might have been slowed up. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17623.0)
if he would of cut right instead of left he would of been gone. LACES OUT!!
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 11:42:22 AM
22-38 with 290yds, 1 td and zero picks isn't bad...the only real screwup by manning yesterday was his post game comments bashing his o-line, imo.
There are three kind of lies:
Lies
Damn Lies
Statistics
Quote from: mhunt on January 16, 2006, 09:06:18 AM
why did mcnabb's name get brought up in this thread anyway? it has nothing to do with him. :paranoid
Because certain people enjoy bashing him no matter what the circumstance.
They're called hungry hungry hippos for a reason, bro.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 16, 2006, 11:51:31 AM
you wanna know one of the biggest chokers from yesterday? how about Nick Harper? how his ass got tackled by a QB, I'll never know.
Roethlisberger had a shiv and wasn't afraid to use it, beyotch.
:-D
Peyton Manning = slightly less than Dan Marino
He may throw up a lot of stats, but he won't win a Super Bowl.
Again, Tony farging Dungy.
How many times this guy been in the playoffs? With 1 WIN TO SHOW FOR IT??!!
And we bash Reid - Jesus. And before you get on my sack IGY, Tony lost plenty with TB as well as Indy.
who said dungy was a good coach...hes on par with reid as far as im concerned...both should be coordinators
Because certain people enjoy bashing him no matter what the circumstance.
They're called hungry hungry hippos for a reason, bro.
might wanna recheck the thread dook...first five people that brought up mcnabb were groupies trying to use mannings failure as a way to make themselves feel better about mcnabbs own inability to come up large in big games
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 16, 2006, 02:23:18 PM
Again, Tony farging Dungy.
How many times this guy been in the playoffs? With 1 WIN TO SHOW FOR IT??!!
And we bash Reid - Jesus. And before you get on my sack IGY, Tony lost plenty with TB as well as Indy.
Dungy is 4-7, I believe--
In '99, he lucked out against the Skins when they had a bad snap on a GW FG; then they lost 11-6 to the Rams (1-1)
The next two years, he lost one game where he was favored (Eagles) and they got demolished in his last game (1-3)
In his first playoff game with Indy, they got beat by a Jets team that made the playoffs on the last Sunday of the regular season 41-0 (1-4)
The next year, they beat Denver and the Chiefs, but got waxed by the Pats (3-5)
Last season, they again waxed the Broncos, but only scored 3 against the Pats (4-6)
And yesterday's loss, when THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR YEAR (4-7)
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 02:57:52 PM
mcnabbs own inability to come up large in big games
and the only "big games" are the ones the birds lost?
the 7 playoff victories are meaningless right?
ok...championship games
he played poorly in 2 of them. one you can look at injury considering he didnt finish the game.
but i would say he came up pretty big in the games vs the falcons and the first one vs the rams.
Every playoff game is a 'big game'. In the playoffs give me the guy who can get it done (McNabb 7-5) with mediocre talent vs. the guy (Manning 3-6) with superb talent around him. What has McNabb had to work with? TO for 1 game (the SuperBowl). Westbrook for the first time last season. He's had nothng while Manning had two great receivers, good TE, great RB, good defense, were at home.
And to quote John Fox: "Stats are for losers"
thats still 3 more conference champ games than manning has gotten too.
mcnabb did it in the nfc...in the afc hes not sniffing any championship games
he should have been in two or three superbowls by now...not losing to jake delhomme and brad johnson
and ive heard the 102 reasons (aka excuses) why he hasnt won a superbowl...so you can save those
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 02:57:52 PM
who said dungy was a good coach...hes on par with reid as far as im concerned...both should be coordinators
Because certain people enjoy bashing him no matter what the circumstance.
They're called hungry hungry hippos for a reason, bro.
might wanna recheck the thread dook...first five people that brought up mcnabb were groupies trying to use mannings failure as a way to make themselves feel better about mcnabbs own inability to come up large in big games
IGY, you were one of the "first five." Are you a McNabb groupie? :D
I am a McNabb fan, as he is an Eagle and a class act. Is he infallible? No.
BTW, you still haven't put in your list of what QBs you'd rather have right now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 03:20:47 PM
mcnabb did it in the nfc...in the afc hes not sniffing any championship games
he should have been in two or three superbowls by now...not losing to jake delhomme and brad johnson
and ive heard the 102 reasons (aka excuses) why he hasnt won a superbowl...so you can save those
The AFC has not been that great the past 5 seasons. Nobody thought the Pats had a chance vs. the Rams in 01'. The Bucs absolutely destroyed the Raiders in 02'. Carolina took the Pats to the edge. And we very well could have beaten the Pats last season (none of the AFC teams were even close)
in the 4 nfc championship games plus the super bowl...mcnabb has thrown 6 td's and 8 int's.
lol. Manning cant even win playoff games with one of the best supporting casts in recent memory. Other years it was "well the Colts defense isnt any good." Well this year the Colts had a great defense and they still didnt get anywhere. Excuses left and right. ha.
Quote from: MURP on January 16, 2006, 03:27:20 PM
lol. Manning cant even win playoff games with one of the best supporting casts in recent memory. Other years it was "well the Colts defense isnt any good." Well this year the Colts had a great defense and they still didnt get anywhere. Excuses left and right. ha.
At home too, no Pats, no cold weather. Plenty of excuses.
Once again...and I'll break this down so maybe some of yall can get a clue as to why I see Manning as a fraud and held big time responsible for yesterday.
1. Peyton likes to take things into his own hands on offense. he is the one who essentially sets up the pass pro schemes when he calls out the play at the LOS. He is the one who calls his own plays for christs sake! And what happened? He looked like garbage when he did it.
LIke I said before...he had no not routes called nor did he go away from the 7-step drops.
What do you do if a pass rush is getting to you? Screens, draws and SHORT DROPS (3 step). What did Peyton call? 5 & 7 steps most of the time.
And once again the reason I brought McNabb into this is because he takes too much heat for stupid shtein. But when Peyton screws the pooch he isn't blasted as he should be. Does that make me a "groupie" I guess so.
So what if Peyton had 290 yards? How many yards did Donovan throw for in the SB? It doesn't matter because he lost, just like Peyton.
IGY, you were one of the "first five." Are you a McNabb groupie?
lol...you really went back and counted didnt you?...you got me...sorry i was the 5th...point made tho and i think you knew that
BTW, you still haven't put in your list of what QBs you'd rather have right now.
manning
brady
palmer
rothlesberger
for sure
culpepper...and before the minions come charging after me...all im gonna say is if yous can say that manning has an advantage over mcnabb because of the team around him...ill say that culpepper on the eagles would be better than mcnabb and would have led them farther than mcnabb has
hasselbeck
delhomme
are both about equal...next week and the superbowl could push either or both pass mcnabb...hasselbeck especially is imo about to jump into greatness
there may be some better ones out there...but its hard to say...a lot of it has to do with....as i mentioned with culpepper...the situation they are in
so you give guys a break for their "situation" they are in and use it against McNabb. Ever stop to think about the situation McNabb has been in? Todd Pinkston, James Thrash? a coach with no cares to bring a credible run game to the table? ring a bell? How about putting McNabb in Pittsburgh offense where he can rely on the run? How about surrounding McNabb with Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne. How about THAT situation? McNabb had a season for the history books with a talant like Terrell Owens around. Culpepper had Randy Moss forever and was a good player. He loses Randy Moss and he plays like Bobby Hoying. Its ridiculous to say other QB's would be great in the Eagles offense but McNabb wouldnt do any better in another offense.
no im replacing mcnabb with these other qb's in the same eagles situation
btw mcnabbs 'season for the ages' would be culpeppers second best campaign..,and its only slighty better than his number two
in case i'm being included in "you guys"...i'm not giving manning any breaks...i just don't think he was that horrible yesterday...look at the numbers. had he thrown 3 picks like mcnabb did in the super bowl, i might think otherwise.
manning and mcnabb both choke like dogs in big games.
yeah, with Randy Moss, which is exactly the point. You think Culepper would be better than McNabb with guys like Pinkston and Thrash. Yet you fail to mention McNabb playing in a offensive situation surrounded by talent like Moss, Harrison, or a running game.
you almost sound like you're criticizing the front office for not getting any offensive weapons...and the coaching staff for their lack of a run game.
you feelin' alright? ;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 03:53:31 PM
no im replacing mcnabb with these other qb's in the same eagles situation
btw mcnabbs 'season for the ages' would be culpeppers second best campaign..,and its only slighty better than his number two
What a load of bullshtein!
All the McNabb detractors want to bring up his 6TD 8Int performance in CCGs and SB.
His 32TD 8Int trumps anything Culpepper has ever done.
IGY saying with a straight face that Culpepper is a better QB than is McNabb makes me laugh a lot.
I don't think McNabb is the best ever or anything, but Culpepper is absolutely NOTHING without Randy Moss.
Something I was thinking about today...
I wonder if the Colts saw their arch-nemesis Pats lose on Saturday night and knew that they had an easy ride to the SB without them in there so they came out flat because of that?
His 32TD 8Int trumps anything Culpepper has ever done
culpepper 4700 39 11 70%
mcnabb 3875 31 8 64%
The Eagles in reality played a 13 game schedule in 2004.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 03:53:31 PM
no im replacing mcnabb with these other qb's in the same eagles situation
btw mcnabbs 'season for the ages' would be culpeppers second best campaign..,and its only slighty better than his number two
culpepper has won 2 playoff games in his career.
I have nothing to contribute.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 04:15:25 PM
His 32TD 8Int trumps anything Culpepper has ever done
culpepper 4700 39 11 70%
mcnabb 3875 31 8 64%
and their records that season?
vikings, 2004...8-8
again. eI have nothing to contribute.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 16, 2006, 03:59:09 PM
IGY saying with a straight face that Culpepper is a better QB than is McNabb makes me laugh a lot.
I don't think McNabb is the best ever or anything, but Culpepper is absolutely NOTHING without Randy Moss.
Or knee ligaments.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2006, 04:11:09 PM
Something I was thinking about today...
I wonder if the Colts saw their arch-nemesis Pats lose on Saturday night and knew that they had an easy ride to the SB without them in there so they came out flat because of that?
Quite possible.
I thought the defense played firey for the first half though. Pitt eventually wore them down. The offense was non-existent for 3 quarters.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 02:57:52 PM
who said dungy was a good coach...hes on par with reid as far as im concerned...both should be coordinators
Because certain people enjoy bashing him no matter what the circumstance.
They're called hungry hungry hippos for a reason, bro.
might wanna recheck the thread dook...first five people that brought up mcnabb were groupies trying to use mannings failure as a way to make themselves feel better about mcnabbs own inability to come up large in big games
The only "Big Game" that McNabb hasn't won is the "Big Game of All Big Games." But, unlike Saint Manning of Indy, he has taking his team there - and had an opportunity to win it at the very end.
Before that, McNabb-led teams knocked on the door 4 straight times, and the first time, they were not expected to even be there.
Each time, McNabb has done more with much less than Manning, yet, somehow, Manning, when his push comes to shove, he wilts faster than Favre against a pass-rush. And the worst part, Manning has only knocked on the AFC Championship door once, IIRC.
Yet, somehow, when he loses...it is
never his fault. Even here.
Cut that meat. Cut that meat.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 03:43:05 PM
IGY, you were one of the "first five." Are you a McNabb groupie?
lol...you really went back and counted didnt you?...you got me...sorry i was the 5th...point made tho and i think you knew that
I was seeing if I was one of the first five. In actuality I was 7th or 8th (too long ago to remember now). ;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2006, 03:43:05 PM
BTW, you still haven't put in your list of what QBs you'd rather have right now.
manning
brady
palmer
rothlesberger
for sure
culpepper...and before the minions come charging after me...all im gonna say is if yous can say that manning has an advantage over mcnabb because of the team around him...ill say that culpepper on the eagles would be better than mcnabb and would have led them farther than mcnabb has
hasselbeck
delhomme
are both about equal...next week and the superbowl could push either or both pass mcnabb...hasselbeck especially is imo about to jump into greatness
there may be some better ones out there...but its hard to say...a lot of it has to do with....as i mentioned with culpepper...the situation they are in
Here is what I have among those you mentioned:
Clearly above McNabb:Tom Brady- Obviously rings come before anything else, and Brady has three.
Slightly above McNabb:Peyton Manning- The stats still count for something. McNabb has still gotten further, though.
Still more to prove:Ben Roethlisberger- Is a product of his environment. Great defense, running game. Put him in McNabb's situation, and the Eagles don't get nearly as far, IMO.
Carson Palmer- For grading purposes, Palmer gets an incomplete. Definitely has the ability, but we have not gotten to see him in the playoffs.
Matt Hasselbeck- Had a good season, but hasn't done as long, and this is the first time he's sniffed the NFCCG.
Not as good:Daunte Culpepper- Has had a couple of monster years stat-wise, but has never led the Vikings as far in the playoffs even WITH a star-calibre WR. Without Moss this season, Culpepper regressed even before his injury.
Jake Delhomme- Another product of a system. Has the star WR and a great defense. Got to the SB once. His stats: 16-33, 323, 3 TD, 0 INT. McNabb's: 30-51, 357, 3 TD, 3 INT. Delhomme didn't have any picks, but completed less than 50%. Put Delhomme on the Eagles last year, and there is no Super Bowl, IMO.
All conjecture, of course. You know what they say about opinions.
The regular season doesn't count for much. Yesterday's game showed that. You can be 14-2 and roll into the playoffs with home field and lose in the first round to a 6 seed.
Give me the better playoff QB 7/7 days a week.
It depends on how you judge a QB. To me the best QB in the league is if I could have one QB to win me a Superbowl, who would it be? That would be Brady. If I could have one QB to win me a playoff game between McNabb and Manning I would choose McNabb. Therefore to me he's the better player, but that is just my take. Others might judge QBs differently.
I agree with your rankings and assessments there, Geo.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2006, 04:11:09 PM
Something I was thinking about today...
I wonder if the Colts saw their arch-nemesis Pats lose on Saturday night and knew that they had an easy ride to the SB without them in there so they came out flat because of that?
If you go back to my "quarterfinal vote", in another thread, I said I though the Colts would lose, because to me they seem to have to be in a rhythm to play well. Them playing for the last month did them no favors, HOWEVER---I also think COACHING has a lot to do with it. Maybe it's only me, but I don't think and never have thought that Dungy was a guy who could motivate players. Yesterday only reinforced my beliefs. Last year, you had the Eagles in the same situation, WITHOUT OWENS, the media wondering if the Eagles could win a single playoff game; the media on every channel wondering if Reid did the right thing--but they came out fired up against the Vikings and before long, the Eagles had a 14-0 lead. The Colts, if Dungy had motivated them properly, would have pointed out the very same things the media was talking about concerning Reid--but he also would have pointed out to Manning the criticism he would take if the Colts lost--apparently he didn't do that or he didn't do it very well.
The funniest part about this whole Manning thing are the excuses people make for him. One year the defense loses it for him, the next year it's his receivers running bad routes, the next year it's his coaching staff, the next year his receivers dropping balls, now it's his offensive line. If Manning retires having made no Superbowl appearances I wonder if he will have taken the blame for any of those seasons or will the excuses keep coming?
I only hope Manning isn't on the Madden cover for Madden 07 because you know what the next excuse will be when his team goes 14-2 and is faced with yet another early exit.
Quote from: Philly Forever on January 17, 2006, 02:53:04 AM
The funniest part about this whole Manning thing are the excuses people make for him. One year the defense loses it for him, the next year it's his receivers running bad routes, the next year it's his coaching staff, the next year his receivers dropping balls, now it's his offensive line. If Manning retires having made no Superbowl appearances I wonder if he will have taken the blame for any of those seasons or will the excuses keep coming?
BANG! Cartoons did a "Brett Favre Excuse-o-Matic" last year. Maybe Manning bought the rights to it as well.
(But why would ninjas steal the Colts playbook? Manning never follows it anyway 8))
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 16, 2006, 06:29:36 PM
I agree with your rankings and assessments there, Geo.
Same here.
Eskin just said that "Manning comes up as small as a miniscule penis in the playoffs" :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 03:01:49 PM
Eskin just said that "Manning comes up as small as a miniscule penis in the playoffs" :-D
Well, we can all figure he's speaking from experience.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 03:01:49 PM
Eskin just said that "Manning comes up as small as a miniscule penis in the playoffs" :-D
doesn't it disturb you that he treats Manning the same way he treats Abreu, yet you agree with him here?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 03:01:49 PM
Eskin just said that "Manning comes up as small as an Eskin in the playoffs" :-D
Fixed
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 17, 2006, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 03:01:49 PM
Eskin just said that "Manning comes up as small as a miniscule penis in the playoffs" :-D
doesn't it disturb you that he treats Manning the same way he treats Abreu, yet you agree with him here?
I really don't know how he treats Manning. I didn't know he hated him until I heard the crossover today. I rarely hear Eskin. Maybe once a month if I'm awake at this time, which is rare. I didn't know he got the Abreu treatment from him.
I just found the comment funny because it sent The Cuz into a frenzy.
Eskin isn't even in the same town as Manning. Manning has no idea he exists.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 03:01:49 PM
Eskin just said that "Manning comes up as small as a miniscule penis in the playoffs" :-D
What kind of lame simile is that? I guess a miniscule penis was the first small thing that popped into Eskin's mind.
Nobody fix that post. I mean it.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 17, 2006, 07:23:42 PM
Nobody fix that post. I mean it.
For shame GF. For shame.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 17, 2006, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2006, 03:01:49 PM
Eskin just said that "Manning comes up as small as a miniscule penis in the playoffs" :-D
What kind of lame simile is that? I guess a miniscule penis was the first small thing that popped into Eskin's mouth.
Fixed.
You're gonna give Chuggie a heart attack.
Hey Archie...shut up (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060120/SPORTS03/601200519/1100)
Quote"I guess that's just the sports culture we live in. The guys that are on top seem to get hit harder. Maybe I'm just sensitive, but it seems like Peyton gets more of it than anybody whenever we lose a football game. (The media) wants an answer and when it gets an answer, you just tear him up.''
When "we" lose a football game?
QuoteArchie categorized Bradshaw's on-air criticism as a "cheap shot.''
"It's not right to show that one quote out of a long press conference where people keep asking him and asking him,'' Archie said. "Yes, I thought it was a cheap shot, but I'm not going to go to war with Terry Bradshaw.
"I hope Terry doesn't have anything against us.''
The football Gods were angered (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001881251)
QuoteAmong those predicting victory were editors at The Star, who had already booked eight hotel rooms in the Motor City. The newspaper was planning to send 20 staffers to the big game, and was preparing to print special victory editions for distribution after the game in both Indianapolis and Detroit. The paper had even commissioned a book on the "Super Bowl" season, with 16 chapters already written by Colts beat writer Phil Wilson.
"It would have been out the Friday after the Super Bowl [Feb. 10]. It would have been between 140 and 160 pages, a nice coffee table book," said Tim Wheatley, assistant managing editor/sports, who said a week's worth of special sections leading up to the game were also in the works. "We had reporters working six or seven days a week to get all of the copy for these done."
QuoteWheatley admits that the Colts expectations were so high, the paper had taken the view that the championship was a foregone conclusion and they'd better be prepared. "My mindset was that they were going all the way and we had to be ready," he told E&P. Although the Colts had been major playoff contenders during the previous two seasons, even reaching the AFC championship game in 2004, Wheatley says "we never got this far along [in planning]."
QuoteMaybe I'm just sensitive, but it seems like Peyton gets more of it than anybody whenever we lose a football game. (The media) wants an answer and when it gets an answer, you just tear him up.''
Archie needs to shut the farg up. I guess he's never heard of Donovan McNabb. The national media consistently tosses his kids' salads after every completed pass and even after throwing throw a pick.
I guess the "Royal Treatment" still ain't enough for him.
Somebody needs to tell him that he stopped being relevant 25 farging years ago.
QuoteThe paper had even commissioned a book on the "Super Bowl" season, with 16 chapters already written by Colts beat writer Phil Wilson.
"It would have been out the Friday after the Super Bowl [Feb. 10]. It would have been between 140 and 160 pages, a nice coffee table book," said Tim Wheatley, assistant managing editor/sports, who said a week's worth of special sections leading up to the game were also in the works. "We had reporters working six or seven days a week to get all of the copy for these done."
That's pure comedy right there. :-D
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 21, 2006, 08:04:19 PM
QuoteThe paper had even commissioned a book on the "Super Bowl" season, with 16 chapters already written by Colts beat writer Phil Wilson.
"It would have been out the Friday after the Super Bowl [Feb. 10]. It would have been between 140 and 160 pages, a nice coffee table book," said Tim Wheatley, assistant managing editor/sports, who said a week's worth of special sections leading up to the game were also in the works. "We had reporters working six or seven days a week to get all of the copy for these done."
That's pure comedy right there. :-D
:-D That is great!