Man made global warming is real.

[Seabiscuit36]

http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=44&topicid=5176&Itemid=179

In over 30 years of observations, satellites have never measured this amount of melting, which reaches nearly all of Greenland's surface ice cover.

In over 30 years?! That's such a long time, nothing like this could have ever happened before. PANIC

How old is your Buick?  It may be time to ban it. 

[ice grillin you]

http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=44&topicid=5176&Itemid=179

In over 30 years of observations, satellites have never measured this amount of melting, which reaches nearly all of Greenland's surface ice cover.

In over 30 years?! That's such a long time, nothing like this could have ever happened before. PANIC

it happening in such a short time period is kind of the point

[Geowhizzer]

The thaw has happened before:

Ice cores from Greenland's highest region do reveal that such island-wide thaws have happened every 150 years or so, at least over the last few thousand years, but the fear now is that it might occur much more frequently due to warming sea and air temperatures.

The fear is that it will happen much more often.

Full article (NBC News) 

[ice grillin you]

the real fear is that it wont freeze to the levels it previously has
and eventually
obviously a long time from now
it wont freeze at all anymore

[Tomahawk]

http://www.liveweatherblogs.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=groups&task=viewdiscussion&groupid=44&topicid=5176&Itemid=179

In over 30 years of observations, satellites have never measured this amount of melting, which reaches nearly all of Greenland's surface ice cover.

In over 30 years?! That's such a long time, nothing like this could have ever happened before. PANIC

How old is your Buick?  It may be time to ban it.

This year is her 40th...we've been celebrating since May.

Classic cars are driven infrequently enough and by so few that their pollutants are inconsequential.

[Seabiscuit36]

I wasn't actually saying it should be banned, but that you should give it to me for safe keeping. 

[Rome]

latimes.com

Koch-funded climate change skeptic reverses course

By Neela Banerjee

12:28 PM PDT, July 29, 2012

WASHINGTON – The verdict is in: Global warming is occurring and emissions of greenhouse gases caused by human activity are the main cause.

This, according to Richard A. Muller, professor of physics at UC Berkeley, MacArthur Fellow and co-founder of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project. Never mind that the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and hundreds of other climatologists around the world came to such conclusions years ago. The difference now is the source: Muller is a long-standing, colorful critic of prevailing climate science, and the Berkeley project was heavily funded by the Charles Koch Charitable Foundation, which, along with its libertarian petrochemical billionaire founder Charles G. Koch, has a considerable history of backing groups that deny climate change.

In an opinion piece in Saturday's New York Times entitled "The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic," Muller writes: "Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I'm now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause."

The Berkeley project's research has shown, Muller says, "that the average temperature of the Earth's land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases."

He calls his stance now "a total turnaround."

Some leading climate scientists welcomed Muller's comments, proof, they argued, that the science is so strong that even those inclined to reject it cannot once they examine it carefully.  Michael E. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said that Muller's conversion might help shape the thinking of the "reasonable middle" of the population "who are genuinely confused and have been honestly taken in" by attacks on climate science.

On his Facebook page, Mann wrote: "There is a certain ironic satisfaction in seeing a study funded by the Koch Brothers – the greatest funders of climate change denial and disinformation on the planet – demonstrate what scientists have known with some degree of confidence for nearly two decades: that the globe is indeed warming, and that this warming can only be explained by human-caused increases in greenhouse gas concentrations. I applaud Muller and his colleagues for acting as any good scientists would, following where their analyses led them, without regard for the possible political repercussions."

Muller's conclusions, however, failed to sway the most ardent climate contrarians, like Marc Morano, a former top producer for Rush Limbaugh and communications director for the Republicans on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee who now runs the website climatedepot.com.  "Muller will be remembered as a befuddled professor who has yet to figure out how to separate climate science from his media antics. His latest claims provide no new insight into the climate science debate," Morano said in an email.

Muller's New York Times commentary follows research he did last year that confirmed the work of scientists who found the Earth's temperature was rising. In the past, Muller had criticized which global temperatures were used in such research, contending that some monitoring stations provided inaccurate data.  Now, Berkeley's research has weighed in on the causes of the temperature rise, testing arguments climate contrarians have used.

"What has caused the gradual but systematic rise of two and a half degrees?" Muller writes. "We tried fitting the shape to simple math functions (exponentials, polynomials), to solar activity and even to rising functions like world population. By far the best match was to the record of atmospheric carbon dioxide, measured from atmospheric samples and air trapped in polar ice."

Muller asserted that his findings were 'stronger' than those of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental  panel. Yet,  neither Berkeley's research from last year or the new findings on causality have been published in peer-reviewed journals, which has raised criticism and concerns among climatologists and contrarians alike.

Benjamin D. Santer, a climate researcher at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and a lead author of the 1995 U.N. climate report, said he welcomed the involvement of another research group into "detection and attribution" of climate change and its causes. But he also said he found it troubling that Muller claimed such definitive results without his work undergoing peer-review.

"If you go into public arena and claim to have generated evidence that is stronger than the IPCC, where is the detailed, scientific evidence? Has he used fundamental new data sets?" Santer said. "Publish the science and report on it after it's done."

He added: "I think you can do great harm to the broader debate. Imagine this scenario: that he makes these great claims and the papers aren't published? This (op-ed) is in the spirit of publicity, not the spirit of science."

Elizabeth Muller, co-founder and executive director of the Berkeley project and Richard Muller's daughter, said the papers had been peer-reviewed, but not yet published. But because of the long lead-up to publication, the Berkeley team decided to place its papers online, in part to solicit comment from other scientists. She said all the papers, including the latest, would be on the BerkeleyEarth.org website by Sunday evening.

"I believe the findings in our papers are too important to wait for the year or longer that it could take to complete the journal review process," Elizabeth Muller wrote in an email. "We believe in traditional peer review; we welcome feedback [from] the public and any scientists who are interested in taking the time to make thoughtful comments. Our papers have received scrutiny by dozens of top scientists, not just the two or three that typically are called upon by journalists."

[rjs246]

Oh so money and politics and really really hoping for something don't actually change agreed upon scientific facts? If people had brains in their heads this wouldn't even be news. Sadly people are farging idiots.

[Rome]

Miller Lite?

[SD]

I have some educational videos for you all to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DX3lZ8peBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ELJt0vUBi4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz8F6v5NB8I

[Yeti]

Climate change is real and auto exhaust is the main cause.  I am going to destroy my Lincoln Navagator so nobody else can use it and I am going to buy a bicycle for transportation.



Want to stop climate change?  Stop having kids. 

[Munson]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719

[rjs246]

I like that SD responds to scientific articles with Penn & Teller YouTube clips. Also Yeti is right. It's unlikely that we can do anything to reverse the damage we've done short of curbing population growth.

[ice grillin you]

even if global warming were literally a hoax....wouldnt it still be smart to limit how much we pollute the air...just in general

the im not sure if its true arguments from the right are so farging ignorant

its like the gun thing...they dont believe limiting certain kinds of guns and ammo or having more stringent background checks would really prevent any mass shootings

but again why wouldnt you want as few semi automatic weapons or 50 bullet clips on the streets as possible....is less automatically better than more??

at some point even in the absence of 100% proof doesnt common sense and/or doing the right thing factor in here somewhere?

[Rome]

I like that SD responds to scientific articles with Penn & Teller YouTube clips. Also Yeti is right. It's unlikely that we can do anything to reverse the damage we've done short of curbing population growth.

I'm all for that.  You're not having kids, right?