Peace out to that miserable a-hole Dubee
another byproduct of firing that carcass manuel. stubborn uncle chuck wasnt going to be there without his trusty pitching coach dubes.
also guys dont worry. amaro is going to use more analytics now. previously it was all about SCOUTING and PRODUCTION and GRIT and other non-tangible outdated blowhard shenanigans. now its about actual facts.
Oh for real?
Who is he going to hire, Biill James?!
that would be great.
maybe someone can cc jimmy on the 0.1 war memo
pat gillick the best gm maybe in the history of sports was as anti nerd as you can get
i know its the in thing these days to not actually watch games but trust me the eye test is still by far the number 1 way to tell if someone can play or not
you guys should try it sometime...instead of faking your like of sports thru some phony numbers...
pretending to care about actual games does not make your crowd less nerdy
There's a place in the game for analytics but it's not the be-all end-all solution to the game either.
yeah but rome ... money ball has produced so many titles.
The A's have 96 wins with a $60M payroll.
the red sox also heavily use advanced metrics but they suck so whatever
VORP!
Quote from: Rome on October 01, 2013, 01:51:14 PM
The A's have 96 wins with a $60M payroll.
i agree with you that there is a place for analytics in the game but maybe team's that adopt this method over scouting and other old school methods should pile up some titles before the sabredork's come out of the woodworks claiming the old ways are over, outdated and pointless.
also low payroll does not equal sabremetrics
lots of teams win with a low payroll and dont use sabremetrics...the hard part is keeping a low payroll team together long term
thats why the red sox are good not because theo epstein was their gm
Most every organization in the MLB has a "sabremetrics" staff to help with the scouting, I'm pretty sure...
Unfortunately the bums sabremetrics staff sucks.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 01, 2013, 05:28:17 PM
Unfortunately the bums sabremetrics staff sucks.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on October 01, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
also low payroll does not equal sabremetrics
lots of teams win with a low payroll and dont use sabremetrics...the hard part is keeping a low payroll team together long term
thats why the red sox are good not because theo epstein was their gm
now thats why the red sox are awesome
they evaluate players correctly and have the ability to keep them and have the ability to fill in the holes with their 200 million dollar payroll
everyone on their team takes pitches, works the count and wears out pitchers. they dont concern themselves with speed...who can really jet on their team outside of ellsbury?
essentially they are the anti-smug who you hate but fall in line with the way he runs a team
smug isnt a baseball guy period...hes a bat boy
but sabremetrics does nothing for you as far as scouting players...as a scout you either have an eye for talent or you dont...sabremetrics is cool if you wanna write a long book like bill james or make an internet site for non sports fans to pretend they know sports but it has absolutely nothing to do with putting together a real baseball team
what sabremetrics is is taking traditional non sabremetric numbers and throwing them together into some stupid formula that you make up that spits out arbitrary new stats like vorp and then calling it sabremetrics and announcing a revolution....its a complete farce that non baseball fans believe because they dont know better
if vorp or war didnt exist literally nothing would change in baseball and nothing has changed since someone made them up....me or you tomorrow could take home runs walks strikeouts per nine innings and extra base hits time them by pie call it LILIGuY and wed be sabremetric genius'
in closing ... the nerds need to stay out of the jocks world ? ???
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 02, 2013, 08:44:27 AM
smug isnt a baseball guy period...hes a bat boy
but sabremetrics does nothing for you as far as scouting players...as a scout you either have an eye for talent or you dont...sabremetrics is cool if you wanna write a long book like bill james or make an internet site for non sports fans to pretend they know sports but it has absolutely nothing to do with putting together a real baseball team
what sabremetrics is is taking traditional non sabremetric numbers and throwing them together into some stupid formula that you make up that spits out arbitrary new stats like vorp and then calling it sabremetrics and announcing a revolution....its a complete farce that non baseball fans believe because they dont know better
if vorp or war didnt exist literally nothing would change in baseball and nothing has changed since someone made them up....me or you tomorrow could take home runs walks strikeouts per nine innings and extra base hits time them by pie call it LILIGuY and wed be sabremetric genius'
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Mr. Havas, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Back-to-back 8 Mile and Billy Madison references. I farging love the internet.
Tyler Cloyd (Indians) and Raul Valdes (Astros) claimed off waivers.
oh no, now the Pigs will need to sign two more pieces of crap
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/source-bowa-close-rejoining-phillies
he all but said a couple weeks ago on wip that he would be joining ryno's staff
I wonder who the pitching coach will be
bowa is the man but as a 67 year old fossil his baseball decision making is going to be horrible. as the right hand man to ryne this isnt good.
His baseball decision making will be terrible? Why is that?
Get Davey Lopes back here and I'll be a little bit happy.
because hes old and he loves bunting and over compensating for matchups...running pitchers into the ground...pinch running...etc
things that all the data in the world say are stupid
neither will be with the team when they are good again.....shtein bowa might be dead
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 07, 2013, 10:21:02 PM
neither will be with the team when they are good again.....shtein bowa might be dead
Hell, that may be by the end of this season, if the team plays the way it did last season. Bowa may spontaneously combust.
This whole board will be dead by the time this team is good again.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 07, 2013, 10:24:42 PM
This whole board will be dead by the time this team is good again.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 07, 2013, 10:23:46 PM
Hell, that may be by the end of this season, if the team plays the way it did last season. We may spontaneously combust.
Quote from: MDS on October 07, 2013, 10:20:56 PM
because hes old and he loves bunting and over compensating for matchups...running pitchers into the ground...pinch running...etc
things that all the data in the world say are stupid
I bet myself that would be your answer...and I WIN.
i had to laugh at "the data"
yes math is stupid
do you hit on 18
embarrassing analogy but i would expect nothing less from a VORPer
"lets do things even though, odds wise, it makes no sense because things have just been done that way"
OK
lets just not watch sports...enter all the data and let a computer decide who wins since the data tells you everything
the data tells you to not bunt and to not punt on 4th and 1
the fun part is what comes next...for some of us i suppose
Nothing will ever replace intuition and a keen baseball eye. Nothing. Not some MIT algorithm nor some spreadsheet making farg in a closet somewhere outside the GM's office.
You have to watch and get a feel of something. You can run all the numbers in the world but you have to know when and how to push the right buttons. Some Billy Beane clown ain't gonna pick up on perhaps a pitcher is a tipping something or that his curve is flat that day. You play the feel and gut not a goddamn spreadsheet
no one says you dont
they just say dont bunt, dont take your best hitter out of the lineup for a low-percentage scoring opportunity, dont hold your best relief pitcher for a situation that might or might not ever occur
those kinds of things are proven to be incorrect. tell me you understand the difference between that and a manager and hitter communicating on whether or not to take a pitch
Sometimes the bunt is the right call. Its all about the feel of the game
no it is not
sometimes hitting on 17 works, but its never the right call*
*unless you are counting, then by all means
I can argue this all night.
your probability of scoring a run decreases by bunting. that is a fact.
for the life of me i dont know why there is a debate
The age-old adage of bunting guys over really is stupid. You're sacrificing one of 27 outs for nothing more than moving someone up a base when a hit, a walk, or even a HBP does precisely the same thing only without sacrificing an out for a base. Get motherfargers who can hit and bunting becomes irrelevant.
its not about guys who can hit...its about exchanging an out for 90 feet doesnt increase your odds of scoring. even moving someone to 3rd with less than 2 outs isnt worth it.
just dont bunt. dont do it. its stupid.
the no bunt rule gets blown out of the water every night in baseball...the last timr being the red sox last night...bunting is warranted at times and other times can be dumb...just gotta see the situation and the players involved...but to do that you have to actually know and watch the game....
nerds who have never really watched a game but who just say across the board to never bunt are just laughable...but in the internet age this is what its come to
You should never bunt in the AL. There's literally no need because you have professional hitters 1-9. Or at least you should have them.
In the NL I can see it with pitchers, but I've seen guys come in to pinch hit and do nothing but move someone up a base in exchange for an out. That is galactically stupid. You get 27 outs. Don't give them away.
Bowa is officially back as bench coach
Pete Mackanin is back as 3rd base coach
Steve Henderson is back as hitting coach
Wally Joyner will not be back as assistant hitting coach
Quote from: Rome on October 08, 2013, 07:31:03 AM
You should never bunt in the AL. There's literally no need because you have professional hitters 1-9. Or at least you should have them.
In the NL I can see it with pitchers, but I've seen guys come in to pinch hit and do nothing but move someone up a base in exchange for an out. That is galactically stupid. You get 27 outs. Don't give them away.
This. The only other time it's kind of ok is if you've got some speedster who can catch the infield off guard and leg one out. But even then, it's probably something I'd only try late in games on a pitcher who has been dealing.
again depending on the scenario and who batting...
or when a man is on second with no outs late in a close game
or when you are facing a dominant pitcher and one run is really worth like two
trust me there are or's
to make a blanket statement about bunting is silly....but that's what sabremetrics is....silly
Agree that there are situations where it makes sense, but it's also horribly misused a lot around the league. Bunting to move a guy from 1st to 2nd with anyone besides the pitcher is universally stupid, imo. If you don't trust a position player to either get a hit or draw a walk and move the runner without sacrificing an out, then you probably shouldn't even have him (the batter) in the game to begin with.
Moving a guy from 2nd to 3rd late in a close game makes total sense since a fly ball still gets the run home.
perhaps with a pitcher, perhaps if you can guarantee 2 very good players (pedroia, ortiz) will get a crack at swinging the bat with the tying or winning run at 3rd....i can see it.
but again, its not saber nerd stuff. its math. its odds. its probability. and that tells you that bunting is stupid.
you are basically being a science denier here with this. global warming is fake, jesus wouldnt let this happen to us = nerds and their numbers watch the game sports fan macho bla bla bla
i love seamhead analogies
please.
make.
it.
stop.
Quote from: SunMo on October 08, 2013, 12:58:59 PM
Bowa is officially back as bench coach
Pete Mackanin is back as 3rd base coach
Steve Henderson is back as hitting coach
Wally Joyner will not be back as assistant hitting coach
The Phillies Way - recycling coaches and players forever.
When are they bringing Gene Mauch and Lee Elia back?
milt thompson is a mortal lock to be on staff at some point before he dies
david price on the trade market
if you want to sell the farm for a guy he aint a bad one to do it for
question is
a) do they have the prospects
b) no
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2013, 03:00:10 AM
question is
a) do they have the prospects
b) no
Um.............eh, farg it. Some things just can't be fixed.
:'(
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Thanks for ruining my day igy. Oh man, watching that parade on line was the best. We were "World farging Champions". Now we're just farged.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 09, 2013, 09:02:36 AM
Quote from: MDS on October 09, 2013, 03:00:10 AM
question is
a) do they have the prospects
b) no
Um.............eh, farg it. Some things just can't be fixed.
What's a prospect?
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/10/10/bryan-cranston-apparently-phillies-fan/
not sure why hes a phillie fan being from socal...i found this on wikipedia
Cranston played baseball when he was a student,[4] and remains a collector of baseball memorabilia and avid fan of the Philadelphia Phillies AND the Los Angeles Dodgers.
pathetic
Old news now, but Bowa officially bench coach.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2013, 03:32:46 PM
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/10/10/bryan-cranston-apparently-phillies-fan/
not sure why hes a phillie fan being from socal...i found this on wikipedia
Cranston played baseball when he was a student,[4] and remains a collector of baseball memorabilia and avid fan of the Philadelphia Phillies AND the Los Angeles Dodgers.
pathetic
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jersey tuck = unforgivable
QuoteThe Phillies have a variety of needs to address in the coming off-season, and numerous question marks. MLB.com's Todd Zolecki answered a few reader questions about the club's roster, and opined that it may be best served by not rolling the dice on a bounce back from Roy Halladay.
Though it remains hard to fault Philadelphia for failing to outbid the Nationals for Jayson Werth three years ago, the Phils have yet to find a long-term replacement in right field, notes Ryan Lawrence of the Philadelphia Daily News. Lawrence says the club could consider signing a center fielder such as Jacoby Ellsbury or Curtis Granderson, bumping Ben Revere to left in a platoon with Darin Ruf. Or, it might pursue a pure corner option like Shin-Soo Choo, or look further down the market at comeback hopefuls like Michael Morse and Corey Hart. But Lawrence opines that the switch-hitting Carlos Beltran could be the most attractive option, reasoning that the Phils may need to roll the dice that he will keep producing into and beyond his age-37 season.[\quote]
Lol @ even suggesting Beltran.
Oh farg all this they might consider blah blah and they could go after blah blah shtein or should persue blah blah. Hate when the writers start jerking off over who is on the market. We've got a farging moron running this shtein show. Nothing good is going to happen for as long as that dip shtein is in charge of "rebuilding"
That's a pretty sweet list of outfielders if you like Rube's tactic of throwing large multiyear contracts at declining 35 year olds.
there's only one option and his name is nelson cruz
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5 years ago today is when I started drinking free in Philly. Love homeruns !!
Haha....that's awesome.
Good memories...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcunFrSEGHU
farg la that pos city
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 14, 2013, 01:50:34 AM
farg la that pos city
lol they quit back to back years and will do it the second they go down in game 3
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 13, 2013, 09:48:12 PM
Good memories...
Geoff Jenkins trying to mount Cholly.
That was just like the Boston game last night. Bums were looking like shtein, about to have the series tied up 2-2, gangbangers gettin' all cocky and in comes that icehole Broxton. Oh shtein was that a sweet night!
phils bringing back mike mike
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Oh Jesus farging Christ ... For what?!
I'm not exaggerating when I say you could find better talent at a soup kitchen than farging Mike Mike
Juan Samuel back as first base coach, and Joyner decided to come back as assistant hitting coach after all.
Glad we'll be able to repeat that Henderson/Joyner success! :yay
haha you got to give it to rube
he is trolling everyone and doesnt care at all. dude is like pacman at the club cept hes getting his dollars back after he made it rain
HOF says;
Quote@dom9brown:Philly doesn't love me . I get boo's almost everynight . No big deal use to it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2013, 11:06:13 AM
HOF says;
Quote@dom9brown:Philly doesn't love me . I get boo's almost everynight . No big deal use to it.
he's right, we deserve an outfielder that can play the position.
lol typical ignorant fan shtein
Go suck Romo's dick HOF.
i think he gets boos every night because he misplays a fly ball every night
Macnow just went on a rant about this, said Brown came here with a standing ovation. Fans have been really patient with him, and this season he finally somewhat delivered. Now he pulls this shtein? (What's not mentioned above is that Brown was in a Cowboys jersey at the game). Macnow said he has enough influence that he could have made his way into a suite and quietly cheered for the Cowboys. Instead he's in a jersey rubbing it in our fans face.
farg Dom.
I hope he's traded this offseason. Hopefully it's for Stanton but I'm not holding my breath.
lol hoping a player is traded because of the football team he roots for. get a grip you women. jesus christ
He should be traded for acting like winning that game was something for the dallas fanbase to be proud of.
he was clearly trolling it up...going to the game and rooting for the cowboys and wearing his dez jersey are fine. risky, but fine. hes a person he can do what he wants.
but he wanted to start shtein and he did exactly that. then he goes on and plays the victim. not a good look in philly.
Quote from: SD on October 21, 2013, 03:10:06 PM
farg Dom.
I hope he's traded this offseason. Hopefully it's for Stanton but I'm not holding my breath.
Is that even remotely feasible? Phils have nobody at the ML level the Marlins would value, and their system is shtein. Dom + top 10 prospects?
I really don't even know who the top Phils prospects are other than Biddle and Franco.
Quote from: SunMo on October 21, 2013, 03:12:08 PM
lol hoping a player is traded because of the football team he roots for. get a grip you women. jesus christ
He can root for whoever he likes, doesn't bother me one bit. But don't show up in the city you play at and in front of fans that support you rubbing it in with a Cowboys jersey on. It's common sense. Tweeting what he did was just rubbing salt in the wounds. Since when do we as Philly fans find this kind of behavior acceptable? Our fan base has grown soft, if he had any respect for us he wouldn't have pulled this shtein. Batteries to the head I say.
stop trying to live up to the imagine of what philly fans are supposed to be. this is why iceholes start fights at games and puke on little kids.
Yes they start fights because their baseball players show up to football games in their rivals jerseys.
omg 700 level, vet turf, blah blah blah....i gotta protect the home field man!
he'd be so much worse if he was a cowboys fan but threw on an eagles jersey just to pander to the city.
on a side note i'm pretty sure that NJ motorcade that cut me off on 95 was christie.
he is dead to me now.
Dom trolled the hell out of people and I thought it was funny
He's too young to know the deep hatred of Dallas here.
No different than Jimmy professing his 49er love
100% different. Jimmy is from the Bay Area and is a Phillies legend. HOF is from farging Tampa, had one decent month, then comes out wearing a Cowboys jersey and bitching about the fans not loving him. farg him. Not just him, actually. All professional athletes can suck it.
Not as bad as a.i. wearing the celtics stuff right ?
You're getting paid a shtein load of money by fans of a city to play baseball in their town. You know damn right well Philly fans hate the Cowboys, so why be a farging dick about it?
Oh, that's right... because he's just keepin' it real.
im pretty sure dom could take a dump on sunmos kids face and hed defend him
it was a troll pos move but thats all it was. let it be.
Quote from: smeags on October 21, 2013, 05:49:35 PM
Not as bad as a.i. wearing the celtics stuff right ?
way worse...ai had no intent in doing it...he didnt think it thru and just wanted to rock a cool jersey....it was stupid as hell but not malevolent
HOF like the lil guy said went out of his way to troll the city....hes a farging loser
i can go with that. the trolling was a major dickbag move.
so, does this move get him a call from the manager and/or gm ??
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he doesn't like the same team as us!
Quote@dom9brown:Philly doesn't love me . I get boo's almost everynight.
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Is he wrong? People were calling him a bust before he ever played a full season. the same fans you can't stand are the ones you are defending now. farging douchebag south jerz iceholes who hear on WIP that he's a bust and come to the ballpark and boo him. they are the same mouth breathers who get worked up because he likes the cowboys.
and saying that ai wearing celtics jersey....a rival to the team he plays for is not as bad as this is a joke.
they two things arent even remotely on the same level
ai wore it to a presser when they werent even playing the celtics...he wore micthell and ness throwback stuff all the time...including lots of philly teams...its just what he did...it was his style...plus like romey said he was a legend who had a lot of cache
farging hof is a pos pissant nobody who wore the shtein to the linc and when that wasnt enough he started blasting philly with it on a day when the cowboys crushed the eagles....you cant cry that philly hates you then do that...you wanna be dick then expect to be treated like a fleshpop
also south jersey doesnt boo the phillies....they are the ultimate homers who dont even show when they suck...im not sure where this booing of him is coming from anyway...hes been pretty well supported....in short hes a little bitch
He does get booed - much like Jimmy too.
Here's the real question...
if GRIT wears a Cowboys jersey what happens?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 22, 2013, 09:37:14 AM
He does get booed - much like Jimmy too.
Here's the real question...
if GRIT wears a Cowboys jersey what happens?
probably the same thing that happened the other few times brown has been out in a cowboys jersey .... nothing. why ? because i assume grit wouldn't pull the troll move.
he gets booed less than anyone on the team other than GRIT and chooch....if he cant handle what he gets now which is minimal then hes going to combust when he gets booed for real
GRIT isnt a douchebag so hed never do that but thats an interesting question....im guessing hed get a pass
Mike Adams was in that pic too I noticed
And you're damn right Grit would get a pass - he'd get a pass if he farged half the guys wives at the stadium.
http://www.thegoodphight.com/2013/10/22/4865380/report-the-phillies-will-sign-a-shiny-new-tv-deal-within-the-next (http://www.thegoodphight.com/2013/10/22/4865380/report-the-phillies-will-sign-a-shiny-new-tv-deal-within-the-next)
the dodgers per year tv number is insane
the astros are getting $80mil per to suck. their payroll this year was $21,133,500.
the sunmo troll job is doing in "defending" hof isnt nearly as trolly as the troll job hof pulled on the city on sunday
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the sunmo troll job is doing in "defending" hof isnt nearly as trolly as the troll job hof pulled on the city on sunday
your english teachers should be shot.
QuoteOn Tuesday, the Cincinnati Reds announced that they have selected pitching coach Bryan Price to replace Dusty Baker, naming him to take over the reins of the team for the next three seasons. That news likely comes as a disappointment to Ruben Amaro Jr. and the Philadelphia Phillies, who were hoping to hire Price themselves.
Price was said to be the Phillies top choice to replace Rich Dubee as their pitching coach. One of the strengths of Price was his fluency in Spanish, a skill that would come in handy as the Phillies prepare to welcome Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez to their rotation.
Current candidates are said to include Philadelphia's current bullpen coach Rod Nichols and Reid Cornelius, who spent 2013 as bullpen coach for the Miami Marlins. According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, also in the mix is Jim Benedict, the Pirates' special assistant to the GM who works with pitchers across their system.
onto plan B
I wonder if MDS' editors need a fifth of tequila to help them fix his copy?
Reid Cornelius...name test fail.
MDS shows why the tenure system that allows bad teachers to keep jobs needs to be done away with.
HOF hits .280/35/110 or better, and very few care.
HOF hits .225/10/50, and it may be time for him to head for the hills.
In between, and Igy and MDS will have a fun time whining about him like they do everything else.
geo from 1-10 what is your confidence level in hof if hes up in a 4-3 game, 2 outs, bottom nine, game 7 world series vs. lets say david robertson
my answer is 0. if its jimmy im at a 9
Quote from: Geowhizzer on October 22, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
HOF hits .280/35/110 or better, and very few care.
HOF hits .225/10/50, and it may be time for him to head for the hills.
In between, and Igy and MDS will have a fun time whining about him like they do everything else.
not that it has anything to do with him being a douche but when has he ever hit better than .280 35 home runs or 110 rbi....much less all three
dook is 26 and has had one good month in his entire life....lets settle down
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2013, 09:47:06 AM
GRIT isnt a douchebag so hed never do that but thats an interesting question....im guessing hed get a pass
If Grit did this, South Jerz would be Cowboy Country.
Quote from: MDS on October 23, 2013, 01:33:48 AM
geo from 1-10 what is your confidence level in hof if hes up in a 4-3 game, 2 outs, bottom nine, game 7 world series vs. lets say david robertson
my answer is 0. if its jimmy im at a 9
what over the last three seasons gives you that kind of confidence in jimmy ?
gawd is old and deteriorated but hes still the most money player in franchise history.....i have no doubt that if he was ever in a big moment again hed have a one billion % better chance at delivering than lol brown
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 23, 2013, 01:40:16 PM
gawd is old and deteriorated but hes still the most money player in franchise history.....i have no doubt that if he was ever in a big moment again hed have a one billion % better chance at delivering than lol brown
thats the same kind of thinking ruben has had. :yay
not sure what resigning an individual has to do with comparing two players in hypothetical clutch situation
my guess is nothing?
jimmy is a god and thats why hed come through. he just would. it would come in a season where he hit .240 or something but nevertheless he would come through
hof had 6 homers in the last 3 months of the season, got hurt again, trolled the entire city and then complained about his perception in said city. im gonna go out on a limb and say he might not be right for this thing. maybe san diego or tampa would work for him.
jimmy might not come thru....but that wasnt the question....the question was who would you rather have in that situation: gawd or domonic brown?
i think we all know the answer
im not even sure if id want hof up in that spot in a game in may. id take him in the third inning, though. especially if theyre playing miami.
so basically you two base your opinion on the premise of - just because.
awesome. :-D
disclaimer: i'm not endorsing brown. just playing devils advocate because ... well, just because.
its not a premise...its just something that is
hof isnt all of a sudden going to become mike trout with the personality of jimmy. he is who he is. probably not an amazing fit for philly, but a solid major league player nonetheless. like i said i think hed do a lot better for himself in tampa or colorado or somewhere where he wont catch feelings when he misplays a fly ball and people get on him.
Quote from: smeags on October 23, 2013, 02:47:16 PM
so basically you two base your opinion on the premise of - just because.
awesome. :-D
actually you are basing your premise on 100% hope and emotion
at least we are basing it on each players body of work
your theory is basically i hate jimmy so i think he would suck in a clutch spot....so instead of the most clutch phillie ever gimme a guy who has had one good month in his life
this is an insane debate that i cant even believe we are having...id call it A+ trolling by you but i dont think thats what it is....you just hate jimmy that much
of course ... i hate jimmy. thats what this is about.
it has nothing to do with this though ...
Quote from: smeags on October 23, 2013, 02:47:16 PM
disclaimer: i'm not endorsing brown. just playing devils advocate because ... well, just because.
well then i take it back and congratulate you on a superb trolling expedition
HOF says shut your faces.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/10/23/dom-brown-defends-his-cowboys-fanhood/
20yrs ago tonight
Roger Mason
Jim Fregosi
Joe Carter
Mitch Williams
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 23, 2013, 08:18:11 PM
20yrs ago tonight
Roger Mason
Jim Fregosi
Joe Carter
Mitch Williams
Fun year. Heartbreaking ending.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 23, 2013, 08:18:11 PM
20yrs ago tonight
Roger Mason
Jim Fregosi
Joe Carter
Mitch Williams
Shouldn't the order be:
Roger Mason
Jim Fregosi
Mitch Williams
Joe Carter
Yes indeed.
Crazy that it's been that long. Goddamn time goes fast
they werent winning game 7
yall know that right
Doesn't matter. Just about anything besides a walk off homer would have been easier to deal with.
Joe "farging" carter
i agree with lil guy about game 7 but even more than that the series....i just never felt the pain of that homer like most people other than when it happened obviously...they had a magical year just to be there and toronto was a much better team....hell that toronto team was one of the best ive seen in my lifetime...i tend to focus on that season as a positive far more than i do the homer as a negative
The season itself was great. It was easily the most exciting season of any sport in my lifetime simply because that team was so bad the year before and there was no reason at all to expect them to even contend for the postseason, let alone actually going to the WS. It just really sucked seeing it end the way it did. I'd have preferred watching them lose 9-1 than on a walk off hit/homer.
gotta agree with igy on the blue jays team back then. they were a sick team.
Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all. They were the defending champs and if I remember correctly, they had the top 3 batting averages in the AL...which I don't think had ever been done in the modern era. Just a sick offensive team.
It just really farging sucked having it all come to an end after 1 swing of the bat. At that point I was just really excited that the game would go into extras and that the Phils could win and force a game 7 and then bam!....game over, series over and I was just like wtf just happened? I'd have honestly rather the Phils been down big because then it gives you a chance to accept the reality of the situation as the game moves into the latter innings of the game so that when the final out is recorded in the top of the 9th, you're already prepared for it.
oh yeah ... horrible way to lose the game/series. magical season fueled by "special vitamins: :paranoid
i was only 6 when it happened so i never got to really enjoy that run...but when you look at it, it was probably the biggest pile of bullshtein in modern baseball history
the team stunk. they had no business winning 90 some odd games and getting to game 6 of the world series. the whole thing was ridiculous. they were awful for the decade before and after it. it just didnt make any sense. which is why them losing in that way really isnt the worst thing.
the ride was fun the part...the losses in 2009 10 and 11 were much worse because those teams could have actually won and probably should have.
They were all on roids and caught lightning in a bottle.
Quote from: SD on October 24, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
They were all on roids and caught lightning in a bottle.
no doubt ... kruk & david west may have been the only two who werent roided up.
hollins and dykstra clearly were. probably dutch.
inky had the same diet as a kruk--beer, cigarettes, fried chicken and pizza--so i doubt he was doing it.
Quote from: SD on October 24, 2013, 03:15:07 PM
They were all on roids and caught lightning in a bottle.
a bottle of bud
Saying 1993 was all luck and roids is retarded and belies the facts.
Whatever, though. The 6 yr old at the time has it covered.
it was flukey not lucky....but if you dont think roids powered them thru that season you are nuts....they partied till dawn after every game...they only way you rebound from that on a consistent basis is by taking something very un-natural
stop - take away the roids that team doesnt sniff the playoffs.
also - if atlanta was in the phils division they dont make the playoffs that year.
i didn't realize the phillies were the only team using roids that year, crazy
Quote from: SunMo on October 24, 2013, 03:37:53 PM
i didn't realize the phillies were the only team using roids that year, crazy
no but they were the only team with a locker room full of alcoholic coke sniffers so they gained a far bigger advantage from the roids....i also have no doubt they led the league in juicers
just because they might not have been the only team doing it doesnt change the fact that without roids they dont go near the postseason
They were incredibly selective and patient hitters and when they did hit they lined the gaps with extra base hits. They also had three starters with over 200IP and 24 complete games as a staff.
Roids were huge but they were huge on every team.
yeah huge enough that it got them in the playoffs.
so we agree.
Let's spend 10 pages arguing over it!
no 11 pages !
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Al morganty suggested the phils use part of the $200mil per from the new tv deal to eat cotracts so they can get rid of howard and paps.
Thoughts ?
I think you've been taking spelling lessons from MDS.
And why buy out Howard? If he's healthy he's still a 30/100 guy. He's not worth 25 million per but that's moot at this point.
Goodbye to Papeldickface.
i dont even understand what morganti is saying....its not like theres some buyout in their contracts that they cant afford until they get the new tv money...you still have to pay them...so all youd be doing is opening up two new positions that youd have to spend more money on to fill
Al doesn't understand baseball
or hes a talk radio host trying to make a blog and get morons to call in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXPhsXYWzXs
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Quote from: ice grillin you on October 25, 2013, 03:56:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXPhsXYWzXs
Billy Ray Cyrus was pretty worked up
QuoteOver the next few weeks and possibly months, the Braves will evaluate the trade market in search of an ace and a possible suitor for Dan Uggla. But the first intriguing storyline will focus on pitching coach Roger McDowell's future in Atlanta.
McDowell has been invited to return to Atlanta manager Fredi Gonzalez's coaching staff next year. But before signing his contract, McDowell will likely talk to the Phillies about their vacant pitching coach position.
Over the past week, it has become even more evident that McDowell is high on Philadelphia general manager Ruben Amaro's wish list. But the Phillies are not permitted to have any formal discussions with McDowell until his current contract with the Braves expires at midnight tonight (Oct. 31).
McDowell met with Braves general manager Frank Wren this week to discuss the possibility of remaining in Atlanta. But the meeting did not lead to an immediate resolution.
The Braves suffered a loss earlier this week when Dave Wallace ended his days as their Minor League pitching coordinator to become Baltimore's pitching coach. Making the jump from the Minor League level to the Majors was an easy decision for the 66-year-old Wallace, a highly-respected pitching guru who has significantly shaped and impacted McDowell's coaching career.
The Braves would suffer a much greater loss if McDowell chose to take his expertise and knowledge of Atlanta's system to the division rival Phillies.
McDowell stands as one of the most respected and valuable leaders on Atlanta's coaching staff. Along with leading a pitching staff that has produced the game's best ERA since the start of the 2009 season, he has displayed a meticulous approach while devising scouting reports that well-traveled veteran backup catcher Gerald Laird has described as some of the best he has ever seen.
McDowell has a strong bond with Gonzalez and the many homegrown pitchers he has molded in Atlanta. But the almighty dollar could lure him to Philadelphia.
Multiple Major League sources have said McDowell is one of the game's lowest-paid pitching coaches. With this in mind, the Phillies could make him an offer he can't refuse. But at the same time, there is always the Braves could provide a raise that would increase the odds of him remaining in Atlanta.
Regardless of what transpires, the next few days will provide a better understanding of McDowell's immediate future.
omg this is not going to end well....
QuoteThe Phillies are targeting big-time free-agent outfielders and baseball people expect them to be in the mix for Jacoby Ellsbury, Shin-Soo Choo, Nelson Cruz and possibly Curtis Granderson.
The Phillies have long been interested in Marlins star outfielder Giancarlo Stanton, but there's no evidence to this point Miami would consider trading him.
The Phillies have a team built around superior starting pitching and veteran infielders but have a clear weakness in the outfield, where they got subpar production this past year. One person familair with their situation said they were even prepared to try to bring back Hunter Pence, who signed back with the Giants for $90 million.
That may show their level of interest in the position because they didn't hesitate to trade Pence in the summer of 2012.
Philly is said also to be prioritizing relief pitching in addition to outfield help. They are fortunate in that it's an above-average year for outfielders on the free-agent market.
General manager Ruben Amaro wouldn't address specific players, and rather succinctly summed up their needs as "catching, pitching, outfield."
You're surprised?
Just pick the two that are the oldest and most likely to decline. Then expect Amaro to give one (or both) a five-year contract.
Catching? Is he farging serious with this shtein? God I hate that little failed busboy.
ruben amaro and howie roseman are why the sixers will be the next team to win a title
boston gets 10 and we got...curtis granderson
how is catching not a need?
Tommy Joseph should win the job but even if he's not full recovered they can still re-sign Chooch.
It's not the top priority like Ruin suggests.
chooch is 34 years old and was awful last year. tommy joseph wasted a whole year last year with his concussion, he's not an option this year. they desperately need production from catcher.
Chooch wasn't awful. And Joseph should rebound after a nightmare 2013.
I'll agree that if they can get a reasonable FA they should but breaking the bank on one isn't necessary.
yeah i dont see joseph as an option at all this season. not sold on him for the long term either but we'll see. the team def needs to address the position this off-season.
joseph like the rest of their system is pretty much terrible
they should be concentrating on rebuilding the lower levels not signing awful free agents
lol - he went from a top 10 rated catching prospect in the sport to awful pretty fast.
Thought I read Joseph's catching days were over and they're changing his position. Remember when Valle was a decent prospect too?
i think i was the #13 rated catcher one year.....thats how bad the position is and how easy it is to be in the top 10 at that position
Getting a free agent catcher (and yes, Chooch counts as one of those) is the one non-idiotic idea Amaro has, Romey. They have no one. It could become idiotic if he throws a long $40 million contract at Brian McCann though.
Quote from: QB Eagles on November 01, 2013, 12:18:58 PM
Getting a free agent catcher (and yes, Chooch counts as one of those) is the one non-idiotic idea Amaro has, Romey. They have no one. It could become idiotic if he throws a long $40 million contract at Brian McCann though.
It's written in stone now. McCann will be a Phillie
Nah they'll lose the bidding war and end up giving McCann style money to A.J. Pierzynski.
the problem isnt any one position its roobs thinking that he can take this zesty ass roster and free agent his way into the playoffs
Amaro will re-sign Lance Parrish.
They need a catcher if Chooch doesn't re-sign. It's not THE #1 PRIORITY.
That was the point I was making.
Christ.
(http://wildhunt.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/you-mad-bro-.jpg)
tommy joseph isnt a viable catching option anymore
most likely they go to some kind of split between chooch and valle and hope against all logic that valle establishes himself at some point during the year
teams can get away with bad 8 hitters, and this shouldnt ruin amaro's master world series plan. go team go.
http://the700level.com/top-posts/memo-to-the-phillies-dont-go-for-it/
lol at the picture that accompanies the article....does that look like a guy who isnt going to go for it
they should probably just forfeit every game from here out. why bother even playing the games?
I just have a bad feeling they're going to sign Mccann to a deal he's not worth. I wouldn't mind him for 4 years but I can see Rube giving him 7/$100 million or more.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/01/sports/baseball/with-gritty-slugger-brian-mccann-its-buyer-beware.html
There's that buzzword in the link! Gritty!
farg McCann and his baseball police attitude.
brian MAcann would never last in philly
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 31, 2013, 11:50:47 AM
QuoteOver the next few weeks and possibly months, the Braves will evaluate the trade market in search of an ace and a possible suitor for Dan Uggla. But the first intriguing storyline will focus on pitching coach Roger McDowell's future in Atlanta.
McDowell has been invited to return to Atlanta manager Fredi Gonzalez's coaching staff next year. But before signing his contract, McDowell will likely talk to the Phillies about their vacant pitching coach position.
Over the past week, it has become even more evident that McDowell is high on Philadelphia general manager Ruben Amaro's wish list. But the Phillies are not permitted to have any formal discussions with McDowell until his current contract with the Braves expires at midnight tonight (Oct. 31).
McDowell met with Braves general manager Frank Wren this week to discuss the possibility of remaining in Atlanta. But the meeting did not lead to an immediate resolution.
The Braves suffered a loss earlier this week when Dave Wallace ended his days as their Minor League pitching coordinator to become Baltimore's pitching coach. Making the jump from the Minor League level to the Majors was an easy decision for the 66-year-old Wallace, a highly-respected pitching guru who has significantly shaped and impacted McDowell's coaching career.
The Braves would suffer a much greater loss if McDowell chose to take his expertise and knowledge of Atlanta's system to the division rival Phillies.
McDowell stands as one of the most respected and valuable leaders on Atlanta's coaching staff. Along with leading a pitching staff that has produced the game's best ERA since the start of the 2009 season, he has displayed a meticulous approach while devising scouting reports that well-traveled veteran backup catcher Gerald Laird has described as some of the best he has ever seen.
McDowell has a strong bond with Gonzalez and the many homegrown pitchers he has molded in Atlanta. But the almighty dollar could lure him to Philadelphia.
Multiple Major League sources have said McDowell is one of the game's lowest-paid pitching coaches. With this in mind, the Phillies could make him an offer he can't refuse. But at the same time, there is always the Braves could provide a raise that would increase the odds of him remaining in Atlanta.
Regardless of what transpires, the next few days will provide a better understanding of McDowell's immediate future.
resigned with the braves
Mitch Williams tried to attack Dykstra at Granite Run Mall today and Daulton had to get between them
So apparently Mitch and Lenny got into an altercation at an autograph signing today
Quote@CrossingBroad: Just got off the phone with @realPhillyink , who watched Mitch Williams and Lenny Dykstra get into it at autograph signing today. Post soon.
http://fightinforphilly.com/2013/11/02/lenny-dykstra-and-mitch-williams-almost-fought-today/
how is lenny not in jail right now
Not sure but I hate the fact his kid is banging meadow soprano
lenny is a top 5 worst person ever
just an all around horrible waste of oxygen
Quote from: MDS on November 03, 2013, 04:28:23 AM
lenny is a top 5 worst person ever
just an all around horrible waste of oxygen
lol....truth
the amazing thing is he treated people like shtein when he was on top...then he fell way to the bottom...and he still treats people like shtein
he once tossed an entire new set of fresh bats because his name was printed on it, not signed in cursive. he refused to let the bats get donated to charity.
he needs to just die
Quote from: MDS on November 03, 2013, 04:32:19 AM
the amazing thing is he treated people like shtein when he was on top...then he fell way to the bottom...and he still treats people like shtein
thats my whole point...how is that midget scumbag going to autograph shows and not getting raped in a state prison
he was sentenced to 3 years in prison in 2012
i have no idea why hes out
liberal ass california
give texas credit if he were here hed be locked up
Five years ago today Monty handed SMUG the keys to the car.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Stuff from Salisbury:
-- re-signing Chooch is their #1 choice for filling the catching spot
-- they aren't likely to give out another $100M+ contract, so Choo and Ellsbury are out
-- they're interested in trading for Mark Trumbo. LA wants pitching
-- Hamels and Lee are the only untouchables. Everyone else is available, including HOF
Hamels and HOF should be the untouchables, unless you're trading HOF for as part of a package for a young all star OFer. I love Lee and don't think he's going to slow down, but if you have a chance to get rid of his contract and pick up great young hitter in the process, you gotta take it.
Where the farg would Trumbo play here? OF I guess?
HOF is untouchable by default because no one wants him/his contract. Rube saying he's available is no different than MDS' Jew mom trying to find him a date at synagogue.
HOF is Dom Brown
Damn, Sarge, you have to get your HOFs, Chokes, Gawds and Grits straight...
I was actually talking about Cornelius Ingram. I got my big black guys mixed up.......because I'm racist.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 03, 2013, 06:12:27 PM
Damn, Sarge, you have to get your HOFs, Chokes, Gawds and Grits straight...
Indeed. Philly fan fail!
I'll make up for it and wear a Bobby Hoying jersey while climbing the Egyptian pryamids.
Good plan!
i had trumbo on fantasy this year
hes a horrible outfielder and he hits .230. but hell hit 30 homers in his sleep. that really doesnt mean a lot when you get on base 30 percent of the time and give up runs because you cant move
i expect them to trade their best pitching prospect for him
QuoteThe Phils would like to re-sign Ruiz, but a salary of $14.1 million for one season would be a stretch as he made just $13.35 million the last four seasons. Ruiz is seeking a multiyear deal and a significant raise from the $5 million he made in 2013. In addition to the Phillies, the Red Sox, Yankees, Rangers, Rockies and Blue Jays could all make a play for Ruiz. The Phillies' exclusive negotiating rights with the player expire at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday, when the free-agent signing period begins.
i just fear they're going to pour money to cruz which would be a terrible investment. jacoby is a much better play if they're going that route.
Colorado is planning to offer him a multi-year deal sometime this week
The Phils hired a metrics guy then Rube and Proefrock said they'll listen to what he says but they'll continue to be a scouting organization instead (as if the two ideas were independent). Rube also says he made a few offers to FAs already. Not sure if Beltran was one of them, but Matheny says someone made him an offer already. Rosenthal says they've also inquired about trading for David Price
lol they are signing Marlon Byrd to a 2 year deal today.
why the farg would you need to sign him now? he's the mid-December signing that you do when your bigger targets don't work out.
farg. you. rube.
Wow.
When are Marlon Anderson, Robert Person and Paul Byrd coming back?
reported deal is 2 years $16M. holy farging shtein amaro is the worst
lololol
Jesus Christ.
Todd! Come defend your boy, Smug!
Relax... maybe he's coming back to be the pitching coach! :D
I like it.[/IGY]
dynasty !
Seriously though... How ridiculous is this move? How does Smug get the go ahead to make this signing?
i'm just glad he isn't shelling 75 million out for zesty nelson cruz. you knew he was going to make a bad move, i'm just stuck rooting for the least bad move possible at this point.
this guy i work with sent me this email ...
QuoteJust the bat that the Phillies need to add some energy in this lineup.
Best move RAJ has made in months
Quote from: smeags on November 12, 2013, 12:56:22 PM
this guy i work with snet me this email ...
QuoteJust the bat that the Phillies need to add some energy in this lineup.
Best move RAJ has made in months
go punch him in the face
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 12, 2013, 11:11:19 AM
Wow.
When are Marlon Anderson, Robert Person and Paul Byrd coming back?
Quotericky_ledee
the phillies have NOT contacted me yet
ha!
Quote from: smeags on November 12, 2013, 12:56:22 PM
this guy i work with sent me this email ...
QuoteJust the bat that the Phillies need to add some energy in this lineup.
Best move RAJ has made in months
So they allow glue sniffing where you work?
the only silver lining is 8 mil is chump change for them....and that raj is closer to getting fired
but really this dude was in the mexican league a year ago and now he has 16 mil and 2 years. jesus.
I don't get why people are so upset over anything they do....they are going to range from sucking to being .500 for the better part of the next 5-7 years....why do people get upset over marlon byrd
Quote from: Don Ho on November 12, 2013, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: smeags on November 12, 2013, 12:56:22 PM
this guy i work with sent me this email ...
QuoteJust the bat that the Phillies need to add some energy in this lineup.
Best move RAJ has made in months
So they allow glue sniffing where you work?
this guy is the ultimate steppford phillies fan.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2013, 03:19:37 PM
I don't get why people are so upset over anything they do....they are going to range from sucking to being .500 for the better part of the next 5-7 years....why do people get upset over marlon byrd
thats easy for a nats fan to say.
Barves fan.
QuoteRuiz is getting a lot of buzz at these general managers meetings. The Denver Post has reported that the Rockies have made an offer. Fox Sports cites a source as saying Ruiz has received a two-year, $20 million offer from an unidentified club. In addition to the Rockies, the Red Sox and Blue Jays appear to have interest in Ruiz.
It's gotta be because of the way he handles a staff, right? He's 34 and he's had one above average year with the bat
Ruiz had 4 years in a row coming into this year above 100 OPS+.
He'll probably be declining now and isn't worth a big contract but he was a productive offensive player because he got on base so much.
He was definitely productive, but not some great batter that deserves double digit millions per year
no arguments there, just saying for a catcher he has been above average offensively for a little while. he's just probably on the tail end of that run now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 12, 2013, 03:19:37 PM
I don't get why people are so upset over anything they do....they are going to range from sucking to being .500 for the better part of the next 5-7 years....why do people get upset over marlon byrd
1. Because The Smug One is awful.
2. Because Marlon Byrd is 36 going on 37
3. Because not only is he a juicer but he bows at the Victor Conte altar
4. Because...just befargingcause
What will be even funnier is they'll let Ruiz walk and then sign someone worse like Saltalamacchia or Pierzynski
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 12, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 12, 2013, 11:11:19 AM
Wow.
When are Marlon Anderson, Robert Person and Paul Byrd coming back?
Quotericky_ledee
the phillies have NOT contacted me yet
ha!
Someone then asked if he would come outta retirement if they did call.
Slick Rick's response?
"probably not...I would want to WIN GAMES"
burnt to a crisp by Rickey Ledee... :'(
Eskin reporting the Phils are working on a trade for Joey Bats (for 3B too, not just RF), and HOF plus would go to Toronto
33 and probably a juicer...makes sense.
I was just coming to post this...
I'm deeply conflicted here.
1. It's Eskin and he's usually full of shtein...especially on Phils news
2. It's Amaro and he's dumber than farg and would do this
Help me.
Amaro was just on CSN saying Byrd is as big as it's going to get with moves this offseason meaning his stupid ass has something else up his sleeve.
Yeah his "poker face" is awful.
"no big moves"
Phils sign Lee
What a goddamn schmuck this guy is. I hate him more than ED fargING WADE
on the bright side amaro is about as unpopular as wade was
on the negative side wade did nothing to a great team which allowed a legend gm to come in and win a world series. amaro had napalmed this motherfarger with his dick and is pissing on it and chucking the jizz at chris wheelers faces while he jerks off.
this team would suck with pat gillick as the gm....is roob a train wreck of course....but this team was destined to suck for a while with how they were built...a group of young guys that all came up together more or less and now are all old together...a depleted system that the ownership will not put the proper amount of attention towards and a bunch of other old free agents who are breaking down or about to
marlon byrd is such a small drop in the ocean its not even worth five seconds of anyones anger time....nor is letting ruiz walk
the major league team is not doing anything for the foreseeable future....everyones anger should be directed towards the resources being put into the minor leagues and international scouting because when and if they become good again its going to be because they develop some players
Shawn Camp signed. A 38-year old relief pitcher that throws in the mid 80s....check
Just more of the same. Let me guess... 2 yrs $10M?
Edit...
QuoteHe is not to be confused with former six-time NBA all-star Shawn Kemp.
lol
Minor league deal. Hopefully we'll never see the guy, like Mike MacDougal this past season
No chance in the world there's any validity to this rumor but if this happened RAJ would get a pass this offseason for me even though he's the one who created this mess to begin with.
Florida radio station says there's been talks about a Ryan Howard + for David Price. (http://www.620wdae.com/media/podcast-ron-and-ians-podcasts-RonandIan/ryan-howard-for-david-price-1114-23974414/) The Phils would be eating half of Howard's contract. The hosts love the trade.
Didn't listen, did a reporter actually say that? Sounds like some fan just came up with it on a whim, because it doesn't make any sense at all. Tampa is getting rid of Price because he's expensive... uh, Howard's contract is far worse (half is still $12m+), he's 5 years older, more injury prone, and as a whole is not even on the same planet as Price.
Unless the package includes Dom Brown and the top 3 Phillies prospects, ain't happening. The Rays front office is one of the best in the league... don't see this happening unless the Phillies get horrifyingly robbed.
QuoteJeff Passan @JeffPassan 9m
Source: Phillies strongly pursuing eighth-inning relievers, including Edward Mujica. Believed to be willing to go three years for setup man.
3 years for chad qualls part II
farging die already rube
It's time for Rube to face the Mujica.
Rim shot!
Quote from: Dillen on November 15, 2013, 12:16:44 AM
don't see this happening unless the Phillies get horrifyingly robbed.
:paranoid
Agreed that this makes absolutely no sense for Tampa. Choke is not the second coming of Big Papi.
chooch is re-signing for 3 years $26 million.
Meh
and a 4th year option, lol
amaro is the worst gm in sports
At least he's allowed to have Adderall again, so there's that
Keith Law
QuoteThe Philadelphia Phillies have made the first two notable signings of the offseason, and this latest one is even worse than the first. Giving Marlon Byrd a little more than he was worth was bad, but giving Carlos Ruiz, a 34-year-old catcher with platoon problems who's coming off a PED suspension a three-year deal is absolute lunacy.
The deal, with an average annual value of $8.67 million, covers Ruiz's age-35-through-37 seasons, and it's not like his age-34 season was such a rousing success. Right-handed pitchers blew him up in 2013 (.257/.301/.335 line against), and he didn't hit any kind of velocity as his bat had clearly started to slow. He still can do damage against left-handers and is an adequate defender, blocking pitches well and nailing about a quarter of opposing runners, but taking value away with poor pitch framing.
Just 70 catchers have reached 400 plate appearances in a season in which they were 34 or older, and a third of them were worth 1 WAR or less -- and that doesn't even consider catchers who performed so badly they lost their jobs midyear.
The Boston Red Sox and Colorado Rockies were both interested in Ruiz, presumably looking at two-year deals for less money than Phillies GM Ruben Amaro offered him, and now have to look elsewhere for catching.
The Red Sox could turn back to Jarrod Saltalamacchia and are one of the few teams that could afford Brian McCann; the Rockies, looking for a catcher so that they can move Wilin Rosario out from behind the plate, may have to look to the trade market unless they want to roll the dice on Dioner Navarro.
The Phillies, meanwhile, are creating a bigger mess for themselves for 2014 and beyond, and if next season leads to a GM change, it's going to be a long road back for Amaro's successor.
Can there be any thing less exciting than these last two moves?
1980, 2008, well we can all enjoy each other's company for the next 25+ years. Maybe we'll have made that Concreteboard movie by then.
I don't hate them bringing back Ruiz...they have no one ready on the farm to replace him and I am less than thrilled with the free agents out there. He knows the staff so this is a deal I can live with.
Wally Joyner left (again) to become the Tigers hitting coach and Mick Billmeyer was added as the bullpen coach
i dont even want to add up how much they will owe 40 year old players in 2015
amaro cannot let go of the 2008 team and its made them irrelevant. but south jersey can still chant chooooooooooooooooooooooch when he hits a double or something or great job amaro
Colorado offered him 2/$20M or whatever so ROOB ups the anty and gives him this.
Hilarious.
didn't igy tell you people last week there's zero reason to complain about what this team does or doesn't do the next five years ?
Quote from: smeags on November 18, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
didn't igy tell you people last week there's zero reason to complain about what this team does or doesn't do the next five years ?
He was talking about the Nats but was drunk and mistakenly posted in the Phils thread.
they are now up to 102.5 mil already for 2015
25 to cliff
25 to choke
23.5 to heidi
13 to GRIT
8 to marlolon
8 to roidhead
not included is mike adams' option (will hit in 2014 if hes healthy, which he of course will not be) and arbitration figures for hof and revere
but yeah go ahead...it all matters, they can definitely win a world series. go team.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 18, 2013, 02:23:33 PM
Wally Joyner left (again) to become the Tigers hitting coach and Mick Billmeyer was added as the bullpen coach
Didn't they just let go of Billmeyer?
Yeah they didn't renew his contract
Meanwhile...who the farg is the pitching coach going to be?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 18, 2013, 08:40:39 PM
Yeah they didn't renew his contract
Meanwhile...who the farg is the pitching coach going to be?
I sent my application in the other day. I'll let you know how it goes.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 18, 2013, 02:22:12 PM
I don't hate them bringing back Ruiz...they have no one ready on the farm to replace him and I am less than thrilled with the free agents out there. He knows the staff so this is a deal I can live with.
The Tommy Joseph promiseland has failed. They have nothing in the system.
Oh well Jay, could be time for our favorite drunk to rear his ugly head, Sardinha.
I don't mind resigning Chooch for the time being, but the years and money is, well... Amaro-esque.
Quote from: smeags on November 18, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
didn't igy tell you people last week there's zero reason to complain about what this team does or doesn't do the next five years ?
it might be the next ten
they are in worse shape than even the flyers
Bob McClure is the new pitching coach. You may remember him from such zesty teams as the early 2000s Rockies, the late 2000s Royals and the 2012 Red Sox
Excellent Simpsons reference.
people have been doing that on twitter for 3 hours now
from jayson starks hot stove rumblings
QuoteIf the trend in this sport is that teams are getting younger, the Phillies apparently didn't get that memo. In their current roster configuration, five of their prospective starting position players next year will be 34 or older. And in case they're wondering, only four teams since 1900 have had five players, age 34-plus, who played at least 120 games in a season -- the 1985 Angels, 2002 Giants, 2003 Astros and 2004 Astros.
On one hand, those teams averaged 91 wins. On the other, baseball wasn't testing for greenies then!
next year is going to be horrible but it has nothing on 2015
it will be a thousand times worse reading your vagina monologues about the team all year long.
your beloved gm just said if ryan howard has success they will win, if he does not they will not
im all in baby. lets go phillies!
Quote from: MDS on November 22, 2013, 02:34:15 PM
your beloved gm just said if ryan howard has success they will win, if he does not they will not
This is another way of saying "If Ryan Howard magically transforms into 2006 Ryan Howard, we will win." Or "If candy falls from the sky and the oceans turn into lemonade, we will win." He's right, too. In fact, they'd win a lot more games if
all of his players suddenly became much better than they actually are.
By the way, last month Amaro talked about platooning Howard (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/10/11/ruben-amaro-talks-about-potentially-platooning-ryan-howard/), so I guess he already knows what kind of success he is going to see from choke (and his team).
he could go for 50-150 and they still wouldnt win.....jesus christ people need to stop talking about two thousand whatever
THEY ARE DONE AND HAVE BEEN FOR TWO YEARS
Why do you keep posting the same shtein over and over?
Shut up already.
Quote from: Rome on November 23, 2013, 07:47:49 AM
Why do you keep posting the same shtein over and over?
because ignorance annoys me
We all think it's gonna be a shtein storm. You don't have to reiterate that with every post. Seriously it's duly noted, IGY.
no 'we' dont
a good number of people think if choke has a big year they can make noise
Bowa told Eskin that he believes Herr Smug is working on a big deal that'll happen before ST
I anxiously await what washed up bullpenner he acquires
roob needs some hinkie magic
Roob needs a brain and some humility
Roob needs to die. That's the only way the Phils are getting rid of him.
i still dont get why amaro is german
RAJ takes his cues from ownership. Their bottom line is filling CBP. They want to create an aura of hope so fans will fill the seats. Baseball isn't like other sports where you tank for draft picks. Nobody wants to see a bunch of unknown prospects playing ball, the average fan that goes to CBP will go to see the Utley/Rollins/Chooch/Hamels/Lee's of the world. They won't go to see Johnny could be good and Stevie high ceiling.
no one wants them to tank.....they want a rebuild.....theres an area that lies between tanking (which doesn't happen in baseball) and giving nine different 35 year olds huge contracts
the astros are tanking
you dont tank for a five year plan you tank for a player
theoretically if there was say another arod in the draft i guess you could tank in baseball but its not happened yet and i dont think it ever will
strasburg
You all care (http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2013/12/02/phils-agree-with-frandsen-tender-four-others/):
To summarize:
Frandsen signed (1 year / 900K)
basticho, Kendrick, Revere, and Mayberry tendered.
World Series!
Dom Brown to the A's for Yoenis Cespedes
Quote from: SD on December 03, 2013, 08:13:32 PM
Dom Brown to the A's for Yoenis Cespedes
Where did you see this? I'm not finding it anywhere.
My buddy text'd me, I asked him for a source and he still hasn't gotten back to me. Disregard (probably)
Yeah not seeing it anywhere else at the moment....
Interesting if true
But they're about to sign Wil Nieves though!
@ToddZolecki: Phillies have acquired RHP Brad Lincoln from Blue Jays in exchange for catcher Erik Kratz and LHP Rob Rasmussen.
Turkey bacon is now Canadian bacon
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 03, 2013, 08:27:28 PM
Yeah not seeing it anywhere else at the moment....
Interesting if true
But they're about to sign Wil Nieves though!
Reuben loves him some oldtimers.
Quote from: SunMo on December 03, 2013, 09:32:41 PM
@ToddZolecki: Phillies have acquired RHP Brad Lincoln from Blue Jays in exchange for catcher Erik Kratz and LHP Rob Rasmussen.
so my buddy was only off by a little
The Dom Brown - Yoenis deal was posted by a dude w/ a fake Twitter account. It tricked a lot of people across a lot of baseball blogs today. Who the hell wastes their time doing that shtein?
if they can teach him to throw strikes hell be good. he can strike people out, which, get this, is a pretty big deal for a reliever
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2013/12/jonathan-papelbons-massive-contract-may-be-an-issue-but-his-ugly-christmas-sweater-is-on-point.html
they offered 2/15 to scott feldman
QuoteKen Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m
Sources: #Nationals making strong run at free-agent LH reliever O'Flaherty. #Dodgers, #Phillies also have shown interest.
Halladay is signing a 1 day deal with the Bluejays today and will announce his retirement
According to Heyman Halladay is retiring. He's going to sign a 1 day contract with the jays
man did he fall apart fast.
Peace out, Doc. Too bad Ruben Amaro kept you from winning a championship.
Word out there is they're shopping Dom Brown....they wanna "sell high"
lol
well the price for one month wonders is pretty high right now.
definitely need to trade one of the young upcoming offensive players on a team that is old and can't score
they want pitching for Dom. rube has no clue what he is doing
Yep - he's clueless. Stone cold farging idiot
im not trying to defend amaro but if they can get something for brown its not a bad deal
he cant stay healthy, his defense sucks, he hit 6 homers after june and 0 in september.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Domonic-Brown-and-the-myth-of-the-one-good-month-.html
SABRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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was gonna post that myself, thanks phreak.
and i'm not opposed to trading brown if you can get something...but to trade him for more pitching when they already can't score runs is asinine
Completely agree.
I mean - if it was for a solid RH hitting 3B who can go .280/25/100 and you paired Dom with a prospect? Sure.
To get more SP? Ruben is insane.
i really dont care if they trade him or not.....they arent going to be competitive until hes into his 30's anyway....but the guy last year had 26 rbi btwn may 25 and june 25 (1 month) and and 36 rbi in months not named may or june....so to say he didnt basically have a torrid four to five week stretch and not much else is lying....I mean why are we even talking about this....we all watched it
hey but if murph is cool comparing the phillies five tool phenom to jon jay then im happy for him
i think the idea is they want to trade HOF for pitching, trade papeldouche to clear up space, then use the remaining money on bullpen parts and a bat
remember that they like cesar hernandez and cody asche can play the outfield (fraco would play 3rd). plus the entire offense is on ryan howard who needs to produce or else. RUBEN AMARO EVERYONE.
Halladay's final totals:
205-103, 3.38 ERA, 2117 K, 67 CG, 20 shutouts
3-2, 2.37 in the playoffs
2 Cy Young Awards (2003, 2010)
3X 20-win seasons (2003, 2008, 2010), and two more with 19 (8 with 15 or more)
1 Perfect Game
1 Post-season no-hitter
Is this enough for the HOF?
no way
hell probably get in but he really shouldnt
sorry homers
i know the hof is an individual award but hes the perfect example of a great player who isnt quite great enough but maybe could be argued in if he had a couple rings
there is something to be said about him playing most of his career in the al east on a bad team, though.
but i specifically remember one game he pitched on toronto. against boston, day after the sox clinched a playoff spot or something. they put a AAA lineup out there. i lost my fantasy playoff game because of it. farg you doc.
yeah def....to me him and schilling are kinda in the same boat except of course schillings legendary postseason/championship status will be what ultimately puts him in if he makes it
people want jack morris in because of one game
im sure doc will get in too
To me, it shows how hard it is for pitchers to get to that level in the modern game. Halladay was pretty universally recognized as the best pitcher in the majors for about a 10 year period (2002-2011) where he averaged 17 wins a year (and that included one injury-riddled year in 2004) with a sub-3.00 ERA. But that sudden stop in 2011, whether from age (35 that year) or injury or a combination, to me left him short of the career numbers he needed. I just don't think he did it long enough.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 09, 2013, 09:46:44 PM
To me, it shows how hard it is for pitchers to get to that level in the modern game. Halladay was pretty universally recognized as the best pitcher in the majors for about a 10 year period (2002-2011) where he averaged 17 wins a year (and that included one injury-riddled year in 2004) with a sub-3.00 ERA. But that sudden stop in 2011, whether from age (35 that year) or injury or a combination, to me left him short of the career numbers he needed. I just don't think he did it long enough.
thats why i think even one ring would do wonders for him
ftr busta buss and kirkjen both emphatically said today he was a no brainer hof....busta even said he be a first ballot guy for him
overall i tend to have a much higher standard than most writers but to put him on a first ballott is ridiculous
A mildly interesting, but mostly irrelevant stat from baseball-reference:
Roy Halladay's 162-game career average: 17-9, 3.38
Sandy Koufax's 162-game career average: 16-8, 2.76
Steve Carlton's 162-game career average: 15-11, 3.22
Roger Clemens' 162-game career average: 17-9, 3.12
Unlike Carlton and Clemens, Halladay just couldn't keep up the momentum once his injury happened. And unlike Koufax, he didn't have three years of 25+ wins, 4 no-hitters and 3 rings.
roob is on mlb network right now and is as sickening as ever
I think Doc goes in. Probably not 1st ballot, but there's really no disputing that he was the best pitcher in the game for a decade, even though some guys had better years, there aren't any who were as good for as long as Doc was.
Aside from the fact that he mostly played on bad Toronto teams, something else to consider is that he played at the height of the steroids era and while most ERAs were going up, his stayed down.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2013, 10:24:06 PM
roob is on mlb network right now and is as sickening as ever
cliffs notes
Loved Halladay. Sad that his arm went as quickly as it did. I know he threw tons of pitches but I figured he was a good candidate to age well since he didn't rely on overpowering velocity.
Halladay is a no-brainer HOFer.
Absolutely.
Halladay thanks the fans. (http://the700level.com/top-posts/roy-halladay-places-ad-in-daily-news-thanking-philadelphia-fans/)
Quote from: MDS on December 09, 2013, 11:33:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 09, 2013, 10:24:06 PM
roob is on mlb network right now and is as sickening as ever
cliffs notes
he said his team is built to win now so hed be willing to sign guys where it was necessary to give up picks
he said right now the rotation would be lee heidi kendrick pettibone and gonzalez but then said gonzalez is not a lock to make it....which its a joke if he doesnt
he said ideally theyd like to add a number 2 or 3 starter
wouldnt really comment on trading HOF....just said we are a team that would like to add not subtract
the most nauseating part of the whole thing is how hes so happy go lucky on mlb network cause those clowns toss him softballs and basically perform fellatio on him....so its like heaven compared to the philly media....when hes on wip hes an incredible ahole
on twitter buster olney said that the phillies are saying they are willing to listen on either Lee or Hamels
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 59m
The Phillies have indicated to other teams they are ready and willing to talk about Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels in trades.
sounds to me like hot stove crap when nothing real is going on....not a lie but not real news either
rube has said many times hed listen on anybody...its kind of like listening to offers for peyton manning in fantasy this year....you know you arent trading him but youll "listen"...listen basically meaning you wont hang up on the other person
it would go against everything hes said thus far to trade one of them....he said they need pitching and want to win now....trading one of them would the exact opposite of those two things
theres absolutely zero chance they trade heidi....he basically a phillie for life imo
lee should have been traded long ago but again rube is trying to win now
When this thing implodes Lee will be the first sent packing. They won't get a kings ransom for him either. Heidi and Mr. May aren't going anywhere.
Amaro is a clown. Someone photoshop me a pic of him with a clown nose and a Bozo hair-do.
Stark says the Phils want 2-3 young players in return for HOF. Good luck with that
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 10, 2013, 03:24:40 PM
Stark says the Phils want 2-3 young players in return for HOF. Good luck with that
It doesn't seem totally impossible that they could get two horrible young players for him.
I was reading that Roob wants controllable pitching
But then he's floating his two stud starters out there...it doesn't make sense.
You trade a guy who can hit...for pitching. Then trade pitching for a hitter.
Jesus this guy IS THE WORST
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 10, 2013, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 10, 2013, 03:24:40 PM
Stark says the Phils want 2-3 young players in return for HOF. Good luck with that
It doesn't seem totally impossible that they could get two horrible young players for him.
On the Phils' roster "young" could mean a 26-year-old AAAA player.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 10, 2013, 03:24:40 PM
Stark says the Phils want 2-3 young players in return for HOF. Good luck with that
WFC in 2027. Get. On. The. Bus.
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step 1: leak that you are trading hamels and lee
step 2: deny it
step 3: ???
i dont even think they leaked it....rube said the other day hed listen to offers for anyone...busta buss took that and twisted into lee and hamels are being shopped
this has been one of the dryest winter meetings in recent memory so people are struggling for tweets
who else would get something out of leaking that hamels and lee are available....it was confirmed (whatever that means in this day) by other reporters, too.
meaning rube told buster this BS for some reason, then other reporters texted him or someone else in the organization and they confirmed but NFA. im just trying to figure out why.
not confirmed by anyone.....didnt happen
dont believe everything you hear on twitter
other reports parroted busters claim...i.e. confirmed
look its not important theyre not getting traded.
Amaro: "Kendrick has 64 wins. You know how many wins Garza has? 67."
how many wins does pettibone have
Eleventy billion.
Really, five.
I eagerly await lil guys rant on w's
You guys know the Phillies signed Fausto Carmona right
Elian Gonzales?
pedro lemonjello
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Michael_Martinez_signs_with_Pirates.html
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Mike Mike the Yinzer
get outta my city, you bum.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2013, 07:31:54 PM
I eagerly await lil guys rant on w's
ruben amaro trying to make a point by referencing wins is like....the best thing ever
Saw a note that said they've reached their '14 payroll.
Really ?
What more were you expecting?
I don't know to be honest.
As long as Amaro is the GM, I won't be expecting much.
Know what sucks? Having a GM with no vision. That's why Amaro is the worst GM in the city. Holmgren has a vision which mimics Sniders which is why he's still the GM. They still think it's the mid 70's and have a horrible philosophy that's outdated but at least they have a vision. Hinkie...I have nothing to contribute. Howie...he did his nerdy market research and went with the spread offense trend. Amaro? Nothing. He adds crap and makes bad trades and is the front offices bitch.
The other thing is that I've seen signs that the ownership is going back to its tight-fisted ways - well, maybe that's unfair, but they're not going to go over the luxury tax. Probably there's no reason to expect otherwise. They'll spend up to the cap. But those that thought the Phils would start spending like the Yankees were mistaken. There is a limit, and Amaro's wasted that budget.
I disagree. His philosophy is pretty easy to discern. He traded away the future by going for it in 09-11 and now he's stuck with an aging, over-paid core of veterans who've long outlived their usefulness. He has no choice but to double down with this core of guys and hope/pray for a miracle. It's not going to happen, obviously, but that's the plan.
The most infuriating thing about his comments is the "$165M should build a contender" bullshtein. Really? Ya think? It would have if you weren't such a colossal blundering dickhead, ROOB.
Lou Marson is back, and they also signed Tony Gwynn Jr. Valle was DFAed to make room for Carmonandez
parade muthfargas - parade !
Apparently there is "mutual interest" between the Phils and Madson.
Gettin' the band back together....jeez
It's not like he hasn't pitched in two years or anything...
3/$30M
Signed.
Hopefully that means Paps is on his way out
As a fan of irony that would please me.
madson hasnt pitched in 2 years.
this will end well
No way that is true....is it?
of course it's not
He'll get a minor league deal if he's lucky
Quote from: SunMo on December 24, 2013, 11:39:55 AM
of course it's not
Sadly I must ask because of who the GM is....
who pitches more for them in 2014:
paps, adams, madson
Quote from: MDS on December 24, 2013, 02:19:50 PM
who bitches more for them in 2014:
paps, adams, madson
igy
which white team is geo a bigger homer for: flyers or phillies
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 24, 2013, 10:16:22 PM
which white team is geo a bigger homer for: flyers or phillies
Eagles.
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Quote from: MDS on December 24, 2013, 02:19:50 PM
who pitches more for them in 2014:
paps, adams, madson
Lidle
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 24, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 24, 2013, 10:16:22 PM
which white team is geo a bigger homer for: flyers or phillies
Eagles.
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There's a whole lotta honkey in that pic.
im gonna say geo the morman did that on purpose
hes a smart cat...knew what he was doing....enjoys trolling igynoramous....put this one in the win column for the (fighting is against his religion) geo's
heidi becomes the latest phillie to be in his 30's today
QuoteKevin Cooney @KevinCooney 1m
Source says Phils TV deal with CSN will be 20-to-25 years... no more WPHL games. Some over the airs to NBC 10
Can it please be for eleventy billion dollars
Cooney said no details on the financials have come out other than it is "massive"
money isnt the phillies problem....they have more than enough to win....its scouting and upper management...until that shtein gets fixed all this tv deal means is more terrible big deals will be given out in a depserate attempt to win every year
Sad but true. With this three ring circus totally content with 2008 we can expect another 23 years of JV baseball.
Maybe they'll go sign Tanaka now
maybe they could sign new ownership
no more phl17 games is good news for EI people, those were the games that EI didn't/couldn't broadcast
2.5 Billion/25 years
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Closing-Bell/2014/01/03/CSN-terms.aspx
QuoteThe Phillies doubled their annual average TV rights fee and picked up an ownership stake in CSN Philadelphia, according to several sources. NBC Sports Group, which operates the RSN, has agreed to a 25-year deal that will see it pay an average of $100M per year for the rights, with the annual fee growing between 3-4% each year, sources said. That figure doubles the rights fee the team had received from CSN Philadelphia and its over-the-air partner, Philadelphia's NBC affiliate.
The Phillies also increased its ownership stake in the RSN to 25%. It is unclear how much of CSN Philadelphia the Phillies had owned before. The Philadelphia Daily News first reported news of the contract extension. The Phillies' TV deal was set to expire after the '15 season. The more than $2.5B in aggregate rights fees places the Phillies in the upper echelon of MLB teams, and the initial annual figure of $100M currently trails only the Dodgers, Angels, Rangers and Mariners – though it also will be eclipsed by the Yankees.
I thought they'd get half that. Time for RAJ to sign some zesty deals.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/01/jonathan-papelbon-declares-his-red-sox-fandom-rips-phillies-clubhouse-atmosphere-again.html#comments
hes the worst person ever but hes right
stems from utley howard hamels and rollins checked out leadership. they had their ring...their paychecks...nothing left to care or do.
Get that red neck the farg out of here. God he makes me sick.
84 days until marlon byrd is playing right field
As bummed as I am about the birds going down, this is the first time in a very long time I really don't give a shtein when pitchers & catchers report.
NFL and NBA drafts are the next 2 sporting events circled on my calendar.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2014, 03:59:21 PM
2.5 Billion/25 years
Throw some of that cash at this guy in a few years:
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QuoteAP_RobMaaddi
AP sources: #Phillies broadcasters Chris Wheeler, Sarge Matthews out. My story upcoming
wow
If Wheels is gone, that's the best non-WS thing to ever happen to this wretched franchise.
I liked Sarge but can't say I love him.
Agreed^^^^
Sarge wasn't bad at all but Wheels being shown the door is huge
Is LA going to do color? Pay $2.5 BB and you can do pretty much what you want.
must be the weather.... whacky stuff always happens in this weather!
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy about the rug.
I liked Sarge, though.
holy shtein this is a dream come true
for me its on par with the eagles going full time to a throwback jersey
its great news but with tmac still there i cannot end my ban on watching phillies broadcasts
Wow! shtein I will deal with TMac...Wheels is gone!!?!
Someone better put that fella under suicide watch.
I liked Sarge because he was a bit off
QuoteFront-runners to slide into the analyst's spot are believed to include Comcast's current postgame analysts Ben Davis and Ricky Bottalico. Two wild card options could include Brad Lidge, who has done some broadcasting work on satellite radio and is extremely popular, and Doug Glanville, who has worked at ESPN and is a favorite of many within the organization — especially Phils president David Montgomery. A Phillies source indicated that only one person will be brought in to fill the color analyst's void. The first broadcast from spring training will take place Feb. 26.
The radio crew of Scott Franzke, Larry Andersen and Jim Jackson will remain in its current place. The wildly popular Franzke has made it be known over the years that he preferred doing radio over television because it allows him to call the ninth inning of any potential playoff game (TV crews usually don't get to do the postseason).
Don't be so goddamn selfish Franzke, we need you.
I wouldn't mind Ricky Bo...no idea how Lidge would be
franzke is a loser....picking a make believe world series call over being a philly legend
For old times sake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4IHefE3xgY
the phils finally made a good offseason move with rube
I wonder how pissed Monty was when Comcast called and said "fire your boy"
I'm sure the Phils knew that was part of the deal. They didn't ink a 25-year contract without talking about what's going to happen to the product. They were loyal to Wheels but not $2.5 bill loyal.
Wheels and Sarge are apparently still going to be working for the Phillies off the air. Kind of obvious that would be the case for Wheels but I would expect Sarge to leave town for another broadcast gig.
Hire Wheels as a greeter and seat-wiper-downer for the diamond club and let Sarge be hitting coach!
the party had to end at some point for sarge
hes pulling in 6 figures to work 3 innings of tv per day. and its not like he prepared. it was among the best jobs in the world, in terms of effort/salary. but at some point someone was gonna catch on.
im hoping that comcast doesnt want to blow up the broadcasting teams all at once and this year is it for tmac. at some point if this is going to become their show theyre going to want their own guy.
Sarge was our version of Forrest Gump. Sure, he's mildly retarded and most of the time he doesn't know what the farg is going on, but still...
I wanted Wheels gone like everyone else but McCarthy is still there. That's like finding out you've received a cure for herpes but you've still got the aids. Franzke and LA should be the prime TV crew. I don't give a farg is tmac is sent to radio or hell for that matter. Just get him off my tee-vee all summer.
Thx
Quote from: Rome on January 08, 2014, 11:24:56 PM
Sarge was our version of Forrest Gump. Sure, he's mildly retarded and most of the time he doesn't know what the farg is going on, but still...
:-D
Quote from: Rome on January 08, 2014, 11:24:56 PM
Sarge was our version of Forrest Gump. Sure, he's mildly retarded and most of the time he doesn't know what the farg is going on, but still...
I wanted Wheels gone like everyone else but McCarthy is still there. That's like finding out you've received a cure for herpes but you've still got the aids. Franzke and LA should be the prime TV crew. I don't give a farg is tmac is sent to radio or hell for that matter. Just get him off my tee-vee all summer.
Thx
sarge actually knew his shtein and had really intelligent takes....he just didnt have the delivery to allow people to receive them...i liked sarge a lot...i always just wanted to hug him like a teddy bear...i also enjoyed his post game interviews.....he was the perfect three inning man
mccarthy is awful but i think he can be saved and become tolerable IF and this is a really big if they hire a color guy who can be critical...carts biggest problem by far is he is an absolutely insane homer...he needs someone next to him that will reign him in.....i think mitch williams would be fantastic but it would be a demotion for him to take the job
I went to sleep pretty happy last knowing that Wheels is gone. I woke up a bit annoyed having realized that the highlight of the Phils 2014 season just happened in the beginning of Jan.
http://youtu.be/jcKLiTHaEN0
Kyle Kendrick is going to get $7.7 million next season. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-avoid-arbitration-kyle-kendrick)
You'll be glad to know that the Phils paid $1½ million to avoid arbitration with John Mayberry. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-sign-john-mayberry-avoid-arbitration)
9 million dollars for two players who together aren't worth a sack of used condoms.
I love this team.
Quote from: Rome on January 17, 2014, 08:33:51 PM
9 million dollars for two players who together aren't worth a sack of used condoms.
I love this team.
loloolol
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/01/report-phillies-have-expressed-interest-in-vernon-wells/
oh jesus farging christ on a crutch
delmon young part II
The Phillies are so anti-SABR that I think they must actively pursue the players with the lowest WAR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkPE5PLZuY0
Oh. My. God.
We watched at least part, if not all of the parade in school that day. Not sure how our teacher rated, because there was only one or two televisions in the entire school. Maybe she brought in her own.
Salisbury says....they're interested in BOBBY ABREUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
lololol
my boy BOBBY A is coming back!
Hopefully that will be the move that gets Smug fired.
is he still deathly afraid of walls?
QuoteJon Heyman of CBS Sports reports that the Phillies have signed Bobby Abreu.
haha holy shtein...that's unreal.
I loved Bobby A...but HE'S 40!
He signed him off his wicked Dominican League...which means he's juicing
This isn't really happening, is it?
They're not signing that worthless piece of shtein, are they?
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b017d3c81a670970c-pi)
What the farg? Does Rueben Amaro even like the Phillies?
Chad Gaudin (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/21/phillies-sign-chad-gaudin/) signed as well.
abreu is not making the team....settle down people...but even if he did who cares
be upset about a starting outfield of byrd - revere - hof not the 25th player on the roster
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 21, 2014, 08:32:28 PM
Chad Gaudin (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/21/phillies-sign-chad-gaudin/) signed as well.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/foul-ball-giants-pitcher-charged-groping-woman-article-1.1395281
but as well sign aaron rowand again and jose mesa for the 3rd time while youre at it, boobin
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2014, 09:09:02 PM
abreu is not making the team....settle down people...but even if he did who cares
be upset about a starting outfield of byrd - revere - hof not the 25th player on the roster
Roger that. Chris Wheeler has a better chance of making the team.
He'll be the starting right fielder out of camp.
Book it.
http://mlb.si.com/2014/01/15/winter-report-card-philadelphia-phillies-2/
D+ is really generous
i forgot about the big reid brignac signing
QuoteKey arrivals: SS Reid Brignac, OF Marlon Byrd, RHP Shawn Camp, SS Ronny Cedeno, RHP Roberto Fausto Hernandez, RHP Brad Lincoln, C Lou Marson, C Wil Nieves, OF Clete Thomas
Oh farg.
A collection of stiffs.
nelson cruz is still out there, theres still time to add one more to the list. you can do it, boobin!
He would be by far their "best" signing.
i dont get why people are so upset at this offseason....the team is done....this era is OVER....they are doing the right thing....the mistakes were all made the last couple of years by not moving pieces to build for the future
We're upset because we're fans.
You feel what you feel and let everyone else do the same.
i guess what im saying is be better fans
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 08:52:52 AM
i dont get why people are so upset at this offseason....the team is done....this era is OVER....they are doing the right thing....the mistakes were all made the last couple of years by not moving pieces to build for the future
if they were doing the right thing they would trade utley and whatever other veterans someone would take. instead they are limping along trying to get lucky with bargain basement signings. either go full rebuild or not. this middle of the road shtein is annoying and not productive
Quote from: SunMo on January 24, 2014, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 08:52:52 AM
i dont get why people are so upset at this offseason....the team is done....this era is OVER....they are doing the right thing....the mistakes were all made the last couple of years by not moving pieces to build for the future
if they were doing the right thing they would trade utley and whatever other veterans someone would take. instead they are limping along trying to get lucky with bargain basement signings. either go full rebuild or not. this middle of the road shtein is annoying and not productive
i agree but that anger should have been coming out the last two seasons...the past two trading deadlines specifically were a complete abomination
i mean who the hell cares that they just signed bobby abreu
Wins/losses is irrelevant. They want to fill seats and know fans will still come out to see Utley. Nobody but the hardcore fans would rather see prospects and rebuilding. You go into full on rebuild mode and suddenly you're not drawing fans and the stadium attendance turns into Pittsburgh. If they win or have success that's just a bonus. They're gonna milk this cow till its dry,
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 08:59:08 AM
i guess what im saying is be better fans
the voice of the people!
if you are pissed off at this offseason then you probably werent screaming for a rebuild the last two years and thus are part of the problem
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2014, 09:05:10 AM
Wins/losses is irrelevant. They want to fill seats and know fans will still come out to see Utley. Nobody but the hardcore fans would rather see prospects and rebuilding. You go into full on rebuild mode and suddenly you're not drawing fans and the stadium attendance turns into Pittsburgh. If they win or have success that's just a bonus. They're gonna milk this cow till its dry,
Pretty much. And MLB is a sport you don't really tank in strictly for the purpose of going after the #1 pick in the draft. It's not like the NBA where teams have a distinct drafting advantage if they pick in the top 3. MLB draft is probably the biggest "unknown" of them all, not to mention that even if you have a stud #1 pick like a Strousberg or Harper, they're still going to spend some time in the minors before coming up to the bigs. At least with the other sports, your #1 pick is going to be playing on opening day most of the time and helping to generate buzz and sell tickets. Plus MLB teams have to sell 3x as many tickets to twice as many homes games. With Utley/Rollins/Howard, this team probably still averages around 35k per game. Without them, they might as well be in Miami.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 11:44:36 AM
if you are pissed off at this offseason then you were probably werent screaming for a rebuild the last two years and thus are part of the problem
ha!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2014, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: SD on January 24, 2014, 09:05:10 AM
Wins/losses is irrelevant. They want to fill seats and know fans will still come out to see Utley. Nobody but the hardcore fans would rather see prospects and rebuilding. You go into full on rebuild mode and suddenly you're not drawing fans and the stadium attendance turns into Pittsburgh. If they win or have success that's just a bonus. They're gonna milk this cow till its dry,
Pretty much. And MLB is a sport you don't really tank in strictly for the purpose of going after the #1 pick in the draft. It's not like the NBA where teams have a distinct drafting advantage if they pick in the top 3. MLB draft is probably the biggest "unknown" of them all, not to mention that even if you have a stud #1 pick like a Strousberg or Harper, they're still going to spend some time in the minors before coming up to the bigs. At least with the other sports, your #1 pick is going to be playing on opening day most of the time and helping to generate buzz and sell tickets. Plus MLB teams have to sell 3x as many tickets to twice as many homes games. With Utley/Rollins/Howard, this team probably still averages around 35k per game. Without them, they might as well be in Miami.
no chance they average 35k this year...unless they contend obviously....tickets sold last year was 37....gate attendance was much lower.....the bottom will drop out this year if they are terrible again no matter who is on the roster....and obviously theres no tanking in baseball but there is rebuilding and the phillies have unessecarily delayed their rebuilding process by at least three years in a sport that can take forever to get good again....especially when your system is horrible
also the bank prevents them from ever being anywhere close to a miami....they will never ever draw below 20k in a season
I was talking sales, rather than attendance. They'll still sell tickets. Whether or not those people show up or not is another story.
they arent gonna sell many tickets this year either
maybe 30-35 range and their basement is probably 25ish?
so for 5-10k more in ticket sales they have held on to a dead in the water team for three years
i find that hard to believe....i think roob actually thinks they can win
at least i'll be able to get cheap tickets to spend a night at the ballpark this summer
im done with that team until the rebuild starts and/or roob is toast
they make me sick
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 12:25:52 PM
i think roob actually thinks they can win
Yeah, he's just not willing to close the window on the core guys. I'm just not sure if it's out of extreme ignorance or if it's loyalty to guys like Jimmy, Utley and Howard and he's really trying to give those guys another shot at a title. Or maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that his plan just didn't produce a WFC. Maybe a combo of all 3? I don't know.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 12:25:52 PM
i think roob actually thinks they can win
Or maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that his plan just didn't produce a WFC.
ding ding ding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcWZLrUQL3I
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 12:41:44 PM
im done with that team until the rebuild starts and/or roob is toast
they make me sick
So you're going to stop commenting here too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 12:25:52 PM
i think roob actually thinks they can win
Or maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that his plan just didn't produce a WFC.
ding ding ding
:yay That 4 year downward spiral from WC to WS losers to NLCS losers to NLDS losers to dog shtein was inexcusable. Nice plan Smugfarg.
Ruben Amaro's Confusing Vision (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Ruben_Amaros_confusing_vision.html)
When I read the article, the first thought that struck my mind was, "What vision?"
Quote from: Don Ho on January 24, 2014, 04:25:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2014, 12:25:52 PM
i think roob actually thinks they can win
Or maybe it's because he doesn't want to admit that his plan just didn't produce a WFC.
ding ding ding
:yay That 4 year downward spiral from WC to WS losers to NLCS losers to NLDS losers to dog shtein was inexcusable. Nice plan Smugfarg.
I didn't have a problem with most of the moves he made between 2009-11. The team performed progressively worse in the playoffs each year, but that's not really on him. Sure, Choke's contract was ridiculous, but if they get 1, maybe 2 more WFC by 2011, then its worth it. The real problem was that he didn't try blowing it up in 2012. Instead he blows $50 mil on a closer who is (a) useless if you don't have a team that has the lead heading into the 9th, and (b) was already showing some signs of breaking down before signing him.
My bigger issue was not that he went all-in so to speak but how devoid of vision his offensive philosophy was. We've been around in circles on this before so I don't need to bring up an advanced stats conversation again, but you can't replace Werth, Burrell and other players who got on base with high frequency with the slop that they did.
Smug seemed content to fill the roster out with the polanco/young/mayberry's of the world. The teams offense was so good because you had players who got on base frequently and hit for power. The ones who left and didn't just get worse and lose that skillset (Howard not being able to walk as much etc) were replaced by people who didn't hit for tons of power, didn't get on base, and weren't particularly fast. It's just a terrible offensive philosophy and killed the team.
sarge is right.....the team should have won another title or even two if you wanna get greedy....and that would have changed everything...right now i would be slighly perturbed with the lack of a rebuild....without that second title im instead blood boilingly angry
2009-2011 is all on the players
after that its all on that moron gm
Amaro was supposed to blow it all up in 2012 after the 2011 team won 102 games?
I see.
No, he was supposed to blow it up because as the team got older, they got progressively worse in the playoffs with each passing year.
What he should have done is improve the roster. He didn't. They should have blown it up after this past year. No one is arguing that.
Actually, it's not that he should have blown them up after 2011, because a few of the contacts they signed guys to were untradable. But what he could and should have done was realize that they had a nice run, but it was over and time to start looking to acquire loads of young talent/prospects and stop signing high(er) priced veterans. This team probably could have been in position to compete again by 2015. Now it'll be 2017 at the rate he's going.
The Phillies starting sinking this ship before they won the world series. The day before the Bourne trade was the peak. Every day since has been a comedy of errors.
So they were on the decline before they peaked? Seems legit.
Now that sounds like something stillupfront would post.
Jesus...
Enough with the problems though. How about some solutions. Fire Amaro, hire Chameleon. 2014 plan:Trade Hamels, Lee for minor league prospects, draft well, win 30-45 baseball games. Keep all minor league players with ability in the minors to avoid future abritation in years that could matter. Make choke stand on first base for 162 games. Let Carlos be a player manager. Hand out Carlos bobbles heads and sell lots of dollar dogs.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 26, 2014, 03:23:07 PM
So they were on the decline before they peaked? Seems legit.
You are being results oriented. Stop thinking like a fish.
Quote from: Rome on January 26, 2014, 01:41:59 PM
Amaro was supposed to blow it all up in 2012 after the 2011 team won 102 games?
I see.
good gm's can look into the future and not live for the right here and now
see what ozzie newsome did with the ravens last year after winning the superbowl
he should have blown it up but in many ways he was pot committed to trying to win for the last three years...the howard contract, the lee deal, the papelbon deal, etc. in no universe were the phillies going to become the astros or even the indians and just take a few years off from trying to win.
i agree 09-11 was 100 percent the players. team was good enough they didnt get it done. but even beyond his stupid moves amaro is just a farging idiot who is running a baseball team like a dumbass. no place does that shine brighter than the papelbon contract...all that money for something koji oo-e-hara just did exceptionally well for change found between the couch cushions.
Quote from: MDS on January 26, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
he should have blown it up but in many ways he was pot committed to trying to win for the last three years...the howard contract, the lee deal, the papelbon deal, etc. in no universe were the phillies going to become the astros or even the indians and just take a few years off from trying to win.
i agree 09-11 was 100 percent the players. team was good enough they didnt get it done. but even beyond his stupid moves amaro is just a farging idiot who is running a baseball team like a dumbass. no place does that shine brighter than the papelbon contract...all that money for something koji oo-e-hara just did exceptionally well for change found between the couch cushions.
I can't believe I'm typing this, but I agree with Todd 100% on this.
you arent going to become the astros overnight....but theres something btwn what they are doing now and being the astros....like you said they have some unmoveable objects but they also had some serious chips they could have moved to begin re stocking the system....not dealing phifer was particularly agregious...shtein jimmy is my hero and i would have been pissed to see him on another team but he could have gone....GRIT....ect...
hell even paps if you were willing to eat some cash could have been moved
Even though it's far from what I would have liked, I could understand Amaro trying to hold the thing together with duct tape until they got the Comcast deal. But what's the plan now? Only the deluded could think this team is built to win right now. Seems like they should be bringing in as much young blood as possible and hoping to find some underpriced gems that can become a new core. Marlon Byrd and Bobby Abreu serve what purpose?
They should have blown it up after 2012, not after winning 102 games in 2011. Seriously, that's not even debatable unless you're just fishing for the sake of it.
i would love for them to do those things....but thats a fire sale and the fans, the media, the sponsors, the OWNERS would not like that one bit. its not happening.
you can go through amaro's mistakes 1000 times over but another significant issue is the complete lack of talent the farm system has produced. basically since utley howard hamels came up theyve produced gio gonzalez and jared cosart. thats it. everyone else stinks. thats amazing.
meanwhile the cardinals and red sox crank out talent like its nothing and the phiilies are so weak at catcher they have to give a washed up roidhead 3 years.
its not about bloiwing up anything or making six trades the day after the 2011 season ended
in august 2012 they were done and at the trade deadline all they did was trade hunter pence because he was coming up to be arbitration eligible and they didnt wanna pay him....they should have done a lot more
this is about about moving valuable pieces to secure a potential future.....theres absolutely no reason cliff lee should be on this team right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 26, 2014, 01:32:38 PM
sarge is right.....the team should have won another title or even two if you wanna get greedy....and that would have changed everything...right now i would be slighly perturbed with the lack of a rebuild....without that second title im instead blood boilingly angry
2009-2011 is all on the players
after that its all on that moron gm
They win 2009 against the Yankees and go bact to back these bums get a pass for eternity, ok maybe 20 years. They win 08 and 11 that works out pretty damn good too, a nice 4 year run. shtein, now I'm just getting pissed thinking about this.
The Phillies had zero chance of beating the Yankees in 2009 with Charlie in the dugout. That team was built to lose in the World Series.
The Yanks were the only team over 100 wins that year, but the Phils could've stolen that series
-- They had a 1-0 lead in game 2 before getting shut down
-- They had a 3-0 lead at home in game 3 before Cole went to shtein
-- They were tied 4-4 with 2 outs nobody on in the 9th of game 4 before Lidge went to shtein
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 27, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
The Yanks were the only team over 100 wins that year, but the Phils could've stolen that series
-- They had a 1-0 lead in game 2 before getting shut down
-- They had a 3-0 lead at home in game 3 before Cole went to shtein
-- They were tied 4-4 with 2 outs nobody on in the 9th of game 4 before Lidge went to shtein
Ok, zero chance is not accurate, but I will say this. The Phillies where the defending WS Champs and they were piss your pants scared of the Yankees. Cole was a piece of shtein all season in 09'. Anyone with a brain would have had him on a short leash, but we had Charlie I apparently speak Japanese, but not english manuel in the dugout.
No, Charlie speaks caveman.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 27, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
-- They were tied 4-4 with 2 outs nobody on in the 9th of game 4 before Lidge went to shtein
:boom
I bought the package again today.
It's literally the only way I can make it thru the summer in this freaking hell hole.
(http://media.philly.com/images/012714-amaro-sign-600.jpg)
It's not Ruben's fault it's whoever hired Ruben's fault. Anonomous owners piss me off.
QuoteWith the signing of Marlon Byrd and Bobby Abreu — and because they're counting on Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard and Chase Utley to be the motors of the offense once again — the "Phillies are old" jokes have been all over the place this winter. My favorite two so far are (1) the one about how they're going to rename the stadium to Senior Citizens Bank Park; and (2) the one in which the announcement of Billy Joel playing a concert there this summer actually lowers the team's average age.
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b017743347fed970d-pi)
keith laws top 100 just came out...
crawford #46
franco #63
biddle #77
Keith Law is the worst.
his system rankings
6. mets
14. phillies
18. nationals
19. marlins
22. braves
he also said the phillies had the best draft in the majors last year
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 29, 2014, 11:13:17 AM
Keith Law is the BEST.
You cannot possibly like that ultra-geek sabre nerd. He's a POS
the phillies system is a horrendous pile of crap so you may be on to something
Yeah their system is straight trash
much like super nerd Keith Law
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
the phillies system is a horrendous pile of crap so you may be on to something
he said they have a lot of high ceiling guys in lower levels, not anyone really capable of contributing soon. so it depends on how much you care about people mashing in the GCL when you're weighing things.
The Clearwater team had some serious hitting talent last year.
One of their draft picks from last year (pitcher Chris O'Hare) was suspended 50 games for PEDs
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 29, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
the phillies system is a horrendous pile of crap so you may be on to something
he said they have a lot of high ceiling guys in lower levels, not anyone really capable of contributing soon. so it depends on how much you care about people mashing in the GCL when you're weighing things.
the gcl shouldnt even count when rating best mlb systems...but if you do count it it should be heavily weighted....if law counts gcl guys as much as the rest of the levels then like j said hes a complete moron....and it sounds like he does if he has the phillies at 6...in fact he might count it more than other levels if he has the phillies at 6
QuoteRyan Lawrence @ryanlawrence21 2m
More Burnett news: @jperrotto reporting the pitcher is only interested in signing with 3 teams: Pirates, Orioles and .... Phillies.
Figures.
i thought he would be a bad signing but then i looked at his numbers and he's more of a ground ball pitcher than I thought. he ground ball rate and k/9 are actually pretty good. when you have kyle kendrick penciled in as your #3 starter it wouldn't be horrible to add a pitcher for one year
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2014, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 29, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 29, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
the phillies system is a horrendous pile of crap so you may be on to something
he said they have a lot of high ceiling guys in lower levels, not anyone really capable of contributing soon. so it depends on how much you care about people mashing in the GCL when you're weighing things.
the gcl shouldnt even count when rating best mlb systems...but if you do count it it should be heavily weighted....if law counts gcl guys as much as the rest of the levels then like j said hes a complete moron....and it sounds like he does if he has the phillies at 6...in fact he might count it more than other levels if he has the phillies at 6
he has them at 14. i think law places more emphasis on ceiling players. like biddle is ranked lower but is closer to having an impact, he just doesn't think he can be an ace. definitely seems to be a boom or bust guy with rankings.
prospects rankings are like recruiting ranks...they dont mean dick
in 2010 usc, florida and texas were the top 3 recruiting classes. 3 years later look at all the success they had.
nobody knows how any of these guys are going to turn out, save for a bryce harper or something. mike trout wasnt mike trout until he became mike trout. nerds.
Quote from: SunMo on January 29, 2014, 02:36:20 PM
i thought he would be a bad signing but then i looked at his numbers and he's more of a ground ball pitcher than I thought. he ground ball rate and k/9 are actually pretty good. when you have kyle kendrick penciled in as your #3 starter it wouldn't be horrible to add a pitcher for one year
Then DH would have to be a Phils fan....sign him for that reason!
Kieth Law has steered me right on more than a few of my fantasy baseball keepers
Some icehole from ESPN predicts the Phils will finish 66-96. (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/44022/ranking-the-teams-30-through-25)
Personally, I think that may be good - may force someone's hand in getting rid of Amaro.
unless there are major injuries (well actually there probably will be...this team is old), talent-wise they arent bad enough to lose 90 games. they arent good enough to win 90 either.
im being an optimist here but if (well, when) they dont make the playoffs i think he gets fired
70 wins is the floor, 80 is the ceiling.
I'd love a <70 win season though because there'd be no choice but to blow it up from Rube on down. This team needs an enema.
Charlie going into the Wall of Fame this summer.
Nice.
Maybe Ruben will be fired by then.
Is it worth going to spring training? Never been. Know they're going to blow this year but a few of my friends are making the trip during St. Patty's Day weekend.
Quote from: SD on February 04, 2014, 06:13:40 PM
Is it worth going to spring training? Never been. Know they're going to blow this year but a few of my friends are making the trip during St. Patty's Day weekend.
100% worth it
Quote from: SD on February 04, 2014, 06:13:40 PM
Is it worth going to spring training? Never been. Know they're going to blow this year but a few of my friends are making the trip during St. Patty's Day weekend.
I've been to at least one game every year since 1992. There's nothing better than sitting in the warm sun watching the Phillies in Clearwater. Tickets are a bitch to get on St. Patrick's Day, though. I'd sit in the tiki bar seats in left field if you can get your hands on them. Call me if you decide to go.
Quote from: SD on February 04, 2014, 06:13:40 PM
Is it worth going to spring training? Never been. Know they're going to blow this year but a few of my friends are making the trip during St. Patty's Day weekend.
Do it. Great way to spend an afternoon.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 04, 2014, 04:26:29 PM
Charlie going into the Wall of Fame this summer.
Nice.
Maybe Ruben will be fired by then.
ironically the charlie decision is the kind of thing that can do ruben in. not the decision to fire him, the decision to keep him.
the front office is stashed with old, decaying useless dead weight like charlie, gillick and dallas green that act as boobin's trusted advisers.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/Jamie-Moyer-and-Matt-Stairs-joining-Phillies-broadcast-booth.html
This might be the best news of this crummy offseason. I'd love it.
That said, Stairs would be phenomenal. Don't blow it, CSN.
why do you think he'd be phenomenal? other interviews i've heard he sounds boring as hell
He double fists beers and gets his ass pounded. A few people here would also qualify
Anyone who is considering watching the Phillies on television this year should really consider alternate activities such as:pulling their toe nails out with pliers, jerking off with sandpaper, slitting their wrists, licking an obese womans twat, breeding air, meth, herion, anal insertion, covering their bodies in salt, and or crusafiction re-enactments. All of these things will be more fun/productive than watching the Phillies.
Quote from: SunMo on February 05, 2014, 06:00:14 PM
why do you think he'd be phenomenal? other interviews i've heard he sounds boring as hell
yeah hes a brutal interview....doesnt automatically mean hell be a bad announcer but i dont see it...plus he was a phillie for about a minute and a half....they dont have to hire a phillie....but if you are gonna take a flyer on matt stairs then take a flyer on a real phillie
hes too expensive but mitch is by far the best option of everyone mentioned thus far
Mitch would speak his mind, so there's probably not a chance in hell of his being named, no matter what the cost.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 05, 2014, 07:12:29 PM
Mitch would speak his mind, so there's probably not a chance in hell of his being named, no matter what the cost.
its different now....comcast is running shtein on the tv side of things
wheels would still be here if it was up to ownership
Marcus Hayes loves him some Cody Asche. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20140205_Eventually__Asche_should_be_a_leader_for_Phillies.html)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJwoNSLRwg
This guy is boring? Can you imagine the shtein that will be flying out of his mouth on a nightly basis?
I see some of youssss guyssss are forgetting something...
while you're arguing about whether Stairs will be good or not remember this...WHEELER IS GONE
tmac is still there
Not that I'm a fan of McCarthy, but he's vanilla more than annoying to me. I'd wait to see how he meshes with a new guy now that the pretentious douche isn't there.
Not expecting much, but I'm willing to wait and see.
yeah i dont completely despise mcarthy...dont get me wrong hes one of the worst announcers in the league right now....shtein he may even be the worst...but hes not all time bad like wheels was...hes just normal terrible
still a tmac stairs combo would most likely be bottom three in the majors
As long as the teams in Miami, Tampa and the White Sox don't change they're automatically superior regardless.
marlins are way better than the phillies....im not overly familiar with tampa....chicago is better just because they are train wreck entertaining at least
Hawk Harrelson is awesome. He gone!
The sheer anger and contempt he shows is great. He's the White Sox version of one of us ranting and raving. I think at some point he will murder an opposing player after he hits a walkoff.
Miami's team is horrible.
Mets are the GOAT.
hawk is the baseball version of tommy heinson
the nationals booth is the worst in the league right now
If you think the Marlins team is anything but torturous, there's really no need to say anything else.
Just stop.
maybe they are super bad in other games but i only watch them during the phillies and i actually like them a lot....hutton is a blatant philadelphia (the city not the team) homer and waltz is solid...hutton is always talkin about philly and cheesteaks and tellin stories of when he played or visited there...and generally saying what a great city it is
Yeah the Nats are the worst by far...cringeworthy
the marlins guys are awful but were better than wheeler/tmac and it wasnt even close
bottom 5
32 - nats
31 - phillies
30 - braves
29 - marlins
28 - rays
top 5
1 - mets
2 - vin
3 - giants
4 - red sox
5 - a's
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
Quote from: SD on February 04, 2014, 06:13:40 PM
Is it worth going to spring training? Never been. Know they're going to blow this year but a few of my friends are making the trip during St. Patty's Day weekend.
100% worth it
Absolutely worth it. I have only been to Arizona and saw the Doyers and Brewers stadiums. It was so cool. Crowds are awesome, the ball parks are amazing and the liquor is cheap. I'd do it again in a heart beat. Arizona is great for Spring Training as you cans see so many teams since the the training facilities are so close in proximity to Phoenix/Scottsdale area.
the liquor is the opposite of cheap at bright house
They usually have a few selections at the brewery tap house down the left field line that are reasonable.
The Tilted Kilt across from the stadium kicks ass for before and after partying.
Figure on $8 for a drink at Frenchies Tiki Bar.
BTW: they disallowed tailgating in the grass lots on Drew St last year. I parked in the BH lot in front of the Kilt and peeps had full blown ragers going on St Pattys Day.
zolecki on the pulse of the city right now saying that stairs and moyer are both likely to be brought in....roles are still to be determined
moyer = wheeler
stairs = sarge
you = goebbels
Hahaha
lol
i understand the need to make a nazi joke but it honestly dont make any sense. how am i hitlers propaganda master?
Jewboy is right...Himmler would have been the better option.
Quote from: MDS on February 08, 2014, 02:16:15 PM
i understand the need to make a nazi joke but it honestly dont make any sense. how am i hitlers propaganda master?
its not supposed to make sense....its classic romey.....and it was hilarious
Evidently they don't teach irony at Temple J School.
Or absurdism either.
Just heard this stat today: Last season, Cole Hamels set the MLB record for most consecutive quality starts without getting a win, at 17.
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/?wss=/philly/sports&id=244904971
Boom
hopefully moyer can be a poor mans ron darling....stairs is a worthless canadian cranial lump
sigh
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2014, 01:40:43 PM
hopefully moyer can be a poor mans ron darling....stairs is a worthless canadian cranial lump
Darling is an effeminate Ivy League Hoyda. Comparing a Philly guy to that bitch gets you the gas face.
Your Stairs comment is just SOB (std operational bullshtein).
The way I look at it anything is better than Wheels. Moyer I still think of as a Seattle guy. Stairs should be entertaining in a Larry Anderson sort if way. Do either of these guys have television commentating experience?
I like the idea that Moyer is Philly born and raised. He may have been in Seattle longer as a player, but he knows how Phillies fans operate perhaps better than most former players.
Stairs I'm not enthusiastic about. I guess that I'm a little concerned that he will be too over the top for a baseball broadcast. Like SD said, though, at least he's not Wheeler. I'll give him a shot.
Still a long, long way from Kalas and Ashburn.
Quote from: Rome on February 11, 2014, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2014, 01:40:43 PM
hopefully moyer can be a poor mans ron darling....stairs is a worthless canadian cranial lump
Darling is an effeminate Ivy League Hoyda. Comparing a Philly guy to that bitch gets you the gas face.
darling is the best in the biz right now...id kill to have him...i actually think moyer has a shot to not be as good as him but good nonehteless with the same type of style as darling minus the humor
i think a better comparison for stairs is sarge not wheels or LA...moyer is taking wheels spot....and i have never seen or heard anything from stairs that would lead me to believe he could be funny or goofy in an endearing way...he was on wip a couple weeks ago promoting his wing bowl appearance...it was a time when you should be at your most zany and he was a complete turd dud....but perhaps hes not going to be that guy...but instead hes going to be a standard baseball analyst....and that he could be good at i guess....i just hope they arent going to try and make him into the television version of LA because he poured a beer all over himself once
You like Ron Darling. Your opinion is null and void.
I like Darling too...that Mets crew is the best.
But then again, I like Stairs too. He gets some free passes to start off because he's a Phillie legend.
Can't wait until Victorino retires and he's in the Phillies booth. 700 words a minute and a few hundred "You know"s. He'd make the next 10 years of 70 win seasons a lot more exciting.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 11, 2014, 05:18:54 PM
I like Darling too...that Mets crew is the best.
You like molesting collies.
Shut it.
Haha I tried to think of a punny comeback but failed
Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 11, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
I like the idea that Moyer is Philly born and raised. He may have been in Seattle longer as a player, but he knows how Phillies fans operate perhaps better than most former players.
To me if you're Philly...then you're Philly. If he was loyal to his roots he'd be a hardcore Eagles fan. I just can't get passed this:
http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/videos/12th-MAN-Flag-Raiser---Jamie-Moyer/14f9df0f-6a2f-417f-b4df-106f3667905f
So because he's a fan of another city's football team that disqualifies him from bring a Phils color guy?
I mean I get it and agree that he should be an Eagles fan, but still...
Quote from: Rome on February 12, 2014, 07:38:19 AM
So because he's a fan of another city's football team that disqualifies him from bring a Phils color guy?
def not....you dont have to be connected to the phillies to announce for them...christ look at wheels the all time disgrace of an announcer and he was as philly as you get....stairs is the perfect example of people going the other way and reaching like hell to make him a phillie.....i mean jesus j just called him a phillie legend which is a travesty
the ultimate is having a true philly guy be a good announcer for your team ala zoom and malik who are at or near the top of the nba announcers....but you cant be "a philly guy" if you grew up there and arent four for four...one thing is not liking one of the sports but to have adopted another cities team???.....get the eff out of here with that shtein
So a dude who hit one of the biggest homers in franchise history isn't a Phillie legend? I don't care that he had a cup of coffee here...he's going down as a legend. That ain't no stretch.
I know you discount 2008 and all but yeah...Matt Stairs is a huge part of this teams history.
I'm not fo fo fo so I ain't Philly like Will Smith.
Stairs is a legend because he crushed Broxton's weak ass shtein like a beer can.
He's a God as far as I'm concerned. Oh, and he ain't Wheels or Mushmouth Sarge either. WIN TIMES THREE!
So, in a matter of a few hours, we went from Hamels has some sourness in his shoulder and is 10 days behind...to hamels should be ready by April....to singing Aj Burnett for 16 million.
That escalated quickly.
Um...what? Hamels has shoulder issues?
I am no Burnett fan but one year deal is fine.
Quote from: Munson on February 12, 2014, 12:05:24 PM
So, in a matter of a few hours, we went from Hamels has some sourness in his shoulder and is 10 days behind...to hamels should be ready by April....to singing Aj Burnett for 16 million.
That escalated quickly.
When did this happen? And this is Philly, so his career will be over in about 18 months.
The training staff didn't think it required an MRI in November. It's February. How about we fire it up and take a peek so he's not sidelined till farging July?
The Phillies really run a tight ship over there.
Burnett = meh. He's fine for a year.
It broke a couple hours ago that Hamels is dealing with shoulder tendonitis and they said he was 8-10 days behind schedule. Not much longer after that, they were saying that he should be back for April, but won't be ready for opening day. Then they signed burnett.
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/cole-hamels-wont-be-ready-opening-day?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 12, 2014, 09:09:46 AM
So a dude who hit one of the biggest homers in franchise history isn't a Phillie legend? I don't care that he had a cup of coffee here...he's going down as a legend. That ain't no stretch.
hes a journeyman major league who hit a big home run...people act like he hit his homer in the world series or it was a walk off....in reality it might not have even been the biggest home run of the inning he hit it in....great moment not great (much less legendary) phillie regardless of how fat he is or how many beers he spilled on his shirt....unless you just say that every player on every team that wins a title is a legend
also cole hamels has had soreness in his shoulder going back years....its one of the reasons i pushed for him not to get a monster exstention
It was in the NLCS which is huge - journeyman or not. He's got a place in Phillie history regardless of how trivial you believe it to be. I don't care about him shotgunning beers...
having a place in its history is far different than being a phillie legend....it was a huge hit no doubt...but i personally think brain deads was bigger
if he hit a walkoff in game 7 of the world series hes a legend...a home run in the 8th inning of game 4 of the nlcs doesnt make you one
if his name is marcos sanchez and he was not fat he wouldnt be beloved. but since hes white and fat he is because philadelphia is a town full of racist stupid people.
it was obviously a huge homer, i have no problem with him getting mad cheers at reunions and what not, but in terms of all time phillies hes not even over tommy greene
so as i can see the rotation will be
lee
hamels (if and or when hes healthy)
burnett
pick 2: cuban, kendrick, fausto carmona, pettibone
great sign for the cuban that they had to sign carmona and burnett
By my count, there are twenty 30 year-olds on the spring training roster, and a solid ten who are 35 or older.
Well Captain Smug says because they're gettin paid a shtein ton they better perform!!
id say that too if my job depended on the team playing well
His job depends on Monty being alive. Free Pass Rube.
i despise roob but i dont think he should have been fired yet....if you are refusing to rebuild why not let him try to win and fail until they are finally done reaching for something they have had no prayer of getting
if roob is here for even the beginning of the rebuild then ill get really angry
Better prime your anger pump now...Monty ain't firing him.
And if he does then Proefrock gets the nod and he's as bad as his daddy Smug
everytime i see the aj burnett number i cant belive it...not that the philklies are paying it because its just one year but the fact that that pos burnett is going to make 16 mil from april to sept this year
this is what really kills me tho...
Quote from: Rome on February 12, 2014, 12:36:35 PM
Burnett = meh. He's fine for a year.
homer romey is mr go beserk over sports contracts but doesnt even acknowledge burnetts money....only that hes just an ok player...then again he defended paplebons deal...so i think we know why 16 mil for this guy isnt noteworthy
Wheeze Kids Part II
Vegas win totals come out this weekend.
Gimme the over!!
ive seen 83 as the generally agreed upon number in vegas
83 is way too high especially with Hamels being iffy.
I'd think 77 or so.
im not guessing...it is/was 83....but it was pre heidi injury....still i cant believe a guy who wins less than 15 games a year is a six game differential....also 83 was pre aj burnett
pretty sure vegas isnt factoring pitchers win totals...they knew the stat was a sham before the nerds even did
it def matters....if a teams number one starter is out for the year the team in question wins total is going to go down.....thats not up for debate.....in heidi's case it aint changing six games
man you know the phillies are hurtin when opening day doesnt immediately sell out
or when rube says "it hurts" that chad gaudin failed his physical
chad gaudin
I'm not phased by Burnett's deal or salary.
It's one year and they had to overpay because Rube is an assjack. I thought considering what was available it wasn't horrible.
Hence the meh.
yeah, what does Burnett's deal prevent them from doing? It's a one year deal, it's not gonna help or hinder the rebuild process.
Quote from: MDS on February 13, 2014, 02:14:06 PM
or when rube says "it hurts" that chad gaudin failed his physical
It means he grabbed a titty during the physical
Quote from: Rome on February 13, 2014, 02:30:46 PM
I'm not phased by Burnett's deal or salary.
It's one year and they had to overpay because Rube is an assjack. I thought considering what was available it wasn't horrible.
Hence the meh.
if any team but the phillies had signed him you would have let out a thousand wtf's and lol's right after you asked: 16 million for aj burnett??
Burnett on a 1 year deal @ that salary is absolutely fine. Problem is he's going to a team that isn't close to winning so won't make much of a difference and probably has a no trade clause so the idea to flip him for prospects doesn't seem plausible. Just one year and 16 mil floating away.
yeah i dont care if they paid him 100 mil for this year it doesnt matter in the big picture....i just think its funny that romey has nothing to say about it because its the phillies....yet more times than I can count he has gone beserk over the amount of money a player in sports gets paid...hes the king of that
but again this is the guy who went to the end of the earth to defend paplebons deal
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2014, 04:31:48 PM
Quote from: Rome on February 13, 2014, 02:30:46 PM
I'm not phased by Burnett's deal or salary.
It's one year and they had to overpay because Rube is an assjack. I thought considering what was available it wasn't horrible.
Hence the meh.
if any team but the phillies had signed him you would have let out a thousand wtf's and lol's right after you asked: 16 million for aj burnett??
That's simply false. There are outlandish contracts that defy any sort of logic (Howard's for instance, and upon reflection, certainly Papelbon's qualifies) but this just isn't one of them. It's one year. They have the money. Pitchers 3-4-5-6-7 are all garbage or unproven. They have a 160 million dollar-plus payroll and Rube's ass is on the line. It's not the least bit surprising that they'd make the deal or unreasonable in any sense of the word especially considering it's a one year deal.
jim fregosi died
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2014, 07:14:15 PM
jim fregosi died
His greatest quote ever was "The only people who listen to WIP live in South Philly and sleep with their sisters"
Pour one out
yeah that was great.....then he got his ass beat at legends over it....supposedly by a couple of connected cats
you could say his dying was a stroke of bad luck.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 13, 2014, 07:24:31 PM
yeah that was great.....then he got his ass beat at legends over it....supposedly by a couple of connected cats
no shtein for real??
yup....he lived in the holiday inn (literally) and was always down at the bar
not dead
Looks like it's official now. RIP. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/jim-fregosi-manager-93-phillies-dies-71?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo)
Worst move of the offseason?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONCYHSgxhVs
nm
Can't see it on my phone
Read an article on choke today where he says he's gonna play all 162 and seemed annoyed people are questioning him
im annoyed that hes still trying to play baseball
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 15, 2014, 09:18:20 PM
Can't see it on my phone
Read an article on choke today where he says he's gonna play all 162 and seemed annoyed people are questioning him
Don't forget the 40 homers he's promised. WORLD SERIES! 8)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgmweT2IQAAClOL.jpg)
Hey look, it's 2003
i take it back sd.....its not worth going
hahaha
I'm still on the fence
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 16, 2014, 03:34:54 PMHey look, it's 2003
Please no one tell Rube that Polanco, Myers, Padilla, and Madson are still available. They'd probably all sign at $16 mill a year, too.
Chooch's comeback starts NOW (http://the700level.com/?p=1047351).
Rube and Proefrock....
http://deadspin.com/report-the-phillies-ratted-out-two-draft-picks-to-the-1526769641?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
spiteful snitches
nothing worse
QuoteThere's a reason the GM's nickname is "Ruin Tomorrow, Jr." Yesterday 9:57am
Had not heard that one yet. :-D
Flight is booked...march 14-18
Stairs was asked how he and Moyer will split the road games, and he said he'll do Cincinnati "because Broxton is there". ha
Zolecki interviewed Wheels about his new job with the organization, and he said he and Sarge found out they were gone with 9 games left in the season but they weren't allowed to say anything until the new CSN deal was official
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 24, 2014, 12:45:51 PM
Zolecki interviewed Wheels
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2014/02/24/wheels-new-life/
jesus he talks a lot...shut the farg up squirrel hair
Wheeler's been with the organization for 40+ years. He's seen to almost every game since 1976. Love the guy or hate him it's hard to feel sorry for him. Pretty rough life there Chris. Now he gets to golf, schmooze, suite hop, pat people on the back....cry me a river.
Quote from: MDS on February 24, 2014, 02:39:00 PM
jesus he talks a lot...shut the farg up squirrel hair
lol
can't tell if this is a joke or not.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1972102-lehigh-valley-ironpigs-unveil-new-bacon-themed-uniforms
Moyer is actually pretty good on the air. Stairs isn't bad, mumbles a little bit.
I need psychiatric help, I'm actually watching a spring training game at my desk.
Hey J,
basticho just pitched the top of the 6th! All is well. Plus a Kyle Drabeck sighting.
Mike Schmidt will broadcast 13 home Sunday games. (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140226&content_id=68368312&vkey=pr_phi&c_id=phi)
Quote from: Don Ho on February 26, 2014, 03:13:05 PM
Hey J,
basticho just pitched the top of the 6th! All is well. Plus a Kyle Drabeck sighting.
I didn't get to see any of it today but I tried to follow while at work.
When does the Cuban pitch?
The hell is wrong with you?
He started the opener and got lit up.
lol no he didn't
That was Fausto Carmona Roberto Whatever mister!
He's pitching an inning or two tomorrow in Tampa
Watched most of today's game and Stairs/Moyer are a nice change from Wheels. It's like listening to SNY but with a wacky Canadian instead of Keith
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2014, 10:28:53 AM
That was Fausto Carmona Roberto Whatever mister!
Seriously, is there a difference?
Quote from: BigEd76 on February 28, 2014, 04:29:56 PM
He's pitching an inning or two tomorrow in Tampa
Watched most of today's game and Stairs/Moyer are a nice change from Wheels. It's like listening to SNY but with a wacky Canadian instead of Keith
Damn, I was thinking the same thing. Stairs actually sounds like Darling. A little more time in the booth and he'll be fine. Moyer's already got the low voice thing working for him.
I watched the replay on MLB Network this morning and they were really good. They did meander around a bit with the anecdotes but it was still a million times better than Wheels/Sarge.
Lot of red flags in this article to ebb any excitement about Gonzalez. (http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/kid-gloves-come-gonzalez-pitches-saturday)
the red flags were up before he was even signed
does anyone really think the phillies would get a top notch international player...if dook was any good he would have signed with boston new york la ect.....
today's game is on MLBN but it's the YES crew and they're gonna talk about Tanaka all day
Moyer has a good baseball voice. He's a little rough but he has potential. Stairs reminds me of a Keith Jones type. Not a great voice and sort of blurts his opinion out there.
I cracked up a couple times. Regardless, they're not Wheels and that's an all time WIN.
i cant watch preseason games but i dont even want to enter the tom mccarthy world
not now not ever
Phils are hitting a robust .196
Good for worst in the league
Crowd actually booed at the end of the game at Bright House today. Lincoln (who ever the farg that is) was pitching top 9th and threw the ball away to third which allowed Braves tying run to score. Bums 1-2-3 bottom 9th. Game tied 2-2 umps say we're done, going home. Crowd boos but of course TMac says they're pissed about no free baseball. Yeah right. They booed because this team sucks big time even in practice.
Lincoln is the dude they got for Turkey Bacon Kratz
QuoteBob Ford @bobfordsports 34m
#Phillies Hamels suffers "tired arm" setback. Unsure when will be ready to pitch.
man ship
there are 3 people now being considered for the 5 spot...i follow this team...i have never heard of any of them
kendrick and carmona are the 3 and 4 and that is straight BAD
Amaro should be fired. From a cannon.
roob coming on the pulse of the city in a few minutes
this could be fun
QuoteChris Branch @ChrisBranchTNJ 1m
Phillies hitters this spring: .189 with a .580 OPS.
Earvin Santana rumors have started.
The question isn't will they be better than the Mets it's will they be better than the Marlins?
dear roob,
YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN IDIOT!
amaro says that cole hamels is "fine"
you cant make this shtein up
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/ScreenShot2014-03-09at102543AM_zpsfd91ef3d.png)
lol @ this putrid lineup. i wonder if geo is going to see this coat hangar abortion?
their opening day lineup will be marginally better
the sixers line up is better than that.
also - i'm pretty sure they're going to get fined over it. they're supposed to have a minimum of (3) projected starters in each away lineup and revere is the only one i'm seeing there.
I forgot Tony Gwynn Jr. was on the roster. I keep forgetting about Smugweiler's youth movement and how well it's progressing.
Quote from: Rome on March 09, 2014, 10:28:40 AM
lol @ this putrid lineup. i wonder if geo is going to see this coat hangar abortion?
Actually in St. Augustine with my son's 4th grade class. Olive Garden FTL. :puke
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 09, 2014, 10:49:15 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 09, 2014, 10:28:40 AM
lol @ this putrid lineup. i wonder if geo is going to see this coat hangar abortion?
Actually in St. Augustine with my son's 4th grade class. Olive Garden FTL. :puke
my parents live in st augustine -- they actually have some pretty damn good restaurants there. wtf are you doing at olive garden
Fourth graders raging!
Can't imagine taking a bus load of brats to The Columbia.
Papsmear pitched the 7th today:
4 Hits 5 Runs
Go team go!
The only way to enjoy this season is going to be remembering that it's Rube's last year.
I don't believe that. I think his daddy Monty keeps him
rube will be fired...monty does shtein it just takes forever and generally he needs someone else to make the decision for him
QuoteRyan Lawrence @ryanlawrence21 14m
Of course, the Phillies entered today last in the major leagues in nearly every offensive category this spring
they were being no hit today thru 6....not sure whats happened since...nor do i care
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
they were being no hit today thru 6....not sure whats happened since...nor do i care
Jimmy said the same thing and people are ripping him...like always.
jimmy doesnt care because he thinks spring training doesnt mean anything
i dont care as in i literally dont care if the team died in a plane crash
Phillies flying on Malaysian Air this season?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2014, 03:32:53 PM
Phillies flying on Malaysian Air this season?
well they are going to pretty much disappear this year
Did someone tell this O'Sullivan cat that today was St. Pattys day? Was the guy pitching on his 15th Guinness?
More beat reporter and media drama with Jimmy being benched for three games.
I hate people who hate on Jimmy
Rollins' reaction to being benched is kinda funny considering he's the one that said these games mean nothing.
If he's benched opening day then there's something to worry about.
unless i missed it he had no reaction did he?....they interviewed him on wip this morning and he was like its no big deal....
Yeah he said no big deal...on benching and spring stats.
People making big deals of it?
"The Voice of the People" WIP
everyone who hates Jimmy for some stupid reason
angelo was literally giddy this morning and kept saying how "juicy" the story was. farg you spike for saving him
whats sickening about all these cockroach fans is when they are winning world series because of jimmy he gets zero credit....but in a lost season that means absolutely nothing they are losing their minds over him not caring about effing spring training
You know...cockroach fans, and WIP
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2014, 03:03:30 PM
whats sickening about all these cockroach fans is when they are winning world series because of jimmy he gets zero credit....but in a lost season that means absolutely nothing they are losing their minds over him not caring about effing spring training
Yep.
Don't forget about the jogging down the line and how he never hustles or isnt gritty
Settle down Homer.
i cant blame ryne for what hes doing, nor jimmy for what hes doing
this team stinks and needs a swift kick in the ass. sandberg is trying to do all he can. jimmy meanwhile knows its a lost cause and knows it friggin march...he be like what the farg?
really they should just all die. farg this team.
Quote from: SunMo on March 13, 2014, 03:00:17 PM
angelo was literally giddy this morning and kept saying how "juicy" the story was. farg you spike for saving him
I laughed. Out loud.
Mike Schmidt battled stage 3 skin cancer. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/phillies/Schmidt-battled-Stage-3-skin-cancer.html)
That's why he wasn't an instructor this spring.
Missing the game today because I can't off from work tomorrow.
Sorry SD...
Quote from: Rome on March 16, 2014, 12:13:44 PM
Missing the game today because I can't off from work tomorrow.
Sorry SD...
I don't understand
I had to work today so driving 6 hours back and forth across the state yesterday wasn't practical.
SD is in Clearwater with his buddies and I was going to meet them there.
Good?
i understand now...but no, it's not good
Quote from: Rome on March 16, 2014, 12:13:44 PM
Missing the game today because I can't off from work tomorrow.
Sorry SD...
Game was fun...team blows. 70-75 wins this season
Quote from: SunMo on March 17, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
i understand now...but no, it's not good
I agree and so do the broads at Mons Venus.
Lee/Burnett/Kendrick is the rotation for the opening series in Texas
hey cool thanks easy
Over-Under for Hamel's Tommy John surgery: June 1.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10626431/jimmy-rollins-philadelphia-phillies-lead-face-trade-sources
::) ::) ::)
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/rollins-hamels-few-phillies-thoughts
Quote"I'm not planning on waiving my no-trade clause. My plan is to bring a championship back (to Philadelphia), to be honest."
• One has to wonder if the ESPN story is the start of something, not necessarily a smear campaign, but some kind of antagonistic ploy by the organization to get Rollins to say yes to a trade so the Phillies can establish that new tone with a new shortstop, and, oh yeah, avoid giving him that $11 million for next season if he reaches 434 plate appearances this season.
If it is, it ain't cool.
total plant job by the phillies to show jimmy who is boss
typical amaro going back on a decision he made 2 weeks ago. signing jimmy in the first place was retarded, but he did it anyway and now he wants to trade him. amaro is just the worst.
farg Smuggy and farg this team. It is going to be a real treat watching this shtein show for the next 6 months.
Quoteso the Phillies can establish that new tone with a new shortstop
Oh good God.
Smug and Howie The Dope...farg them both
This is an awful lot of hand-wringing over a guy who's thisclose to being washed up for good.
My feeling is that the Phillies are going to blow whether or not they have Jimmy, so might as well keep the vet who's been with the team for near 20 years of exemplary service.
with jimmy 74 wins
without 71
oh the humanity.
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/03/the-trade-jimmy-rollins-drum-has-begun-beating.html#comments
again i have no clue how amaro is still breathing
this is at least the 4th veteran hes thrown a bunch of money at, then has tried to trade in the middle of his contract. who owns this team? where is that fraud montgomery? jesus.
but in reality both sides are right. jimmy shouldnt have to take this shtein...this team stinks and he knows it. farg em. the phillies also want to move on and jimmy is keeping them down. they are right to start beefin.
Quote"Jimmy Rollins is our shortstop. One of the ways we're going to be able to win is with Jimmy being Jimmy. ... We have no intention of moving Jimmy. We need Jimmy to play for us to win. It's as simple as that."
Maybe it is the percocet I just took but brace yourselves because this ain't happening again any time soon..
Bravo Ruben Amaro Jr.
Howie and Chip? Take farging notes on how to refute stupid shtein and put media fires out.
The Jimmy Rollins story reared it's head when he was benched for 3 straight games. The media tends to notice these things. The trade speculation is a natural reaction. The Desean thing is it's own entity, nobody knows what brought it on but where there's smoke there's fire. They're not going to rid a top 10 receiver just because he bitches and moans a bit.
The Eagles may have some problems, but I'm reluctant to list 'failing to emulate Rueben Amaro' among them. Also it's pretty easy for Rube to say that Jimmy isn't getting moved since JRoll would have to agree to it.
how awesome was jimmy yesterday tossing his 5/10 rights directly into roobs smug piehole....jimmy will go when jimmy is ready to go and not before
Quote"Because I can't be traded," Rollins told MLB.com on Wednesday. "It doesn't matter. I don't care which way it is tried to be twisted or said, or if it is exactly how it was said, or even if it was said, I can't be traded. It doesn't matter. If I was tradable it may have weight because that means I could be moving soon. But I am not tradable and so it doesn't matter."
Jimmy The God
Ruf strained his oblique during batting practice and will probably start the season on the DL, and MAG got a cortisone shot in his pitching shoulder
Now the good news: Utley finally hit something other than a single or a ground ball today
Bobby A is 3-3 today and threw a dude out at the plate....he's gonna make it
Plus Ruf is out with an oblique injury
stark goes to the cleaners on the phillies
http://espn.go.com/blog/spring-training/post/_/id/2097/phillies-issues-go-beyond-rollins
I love Stark, but is there anyone who either 1) knows anything, and I mean anything, about baseball or b) has even a casual interest in the Phillies who thinks that the team has no issues beyond Rollins? It's a ridiculous premise.
The only reason that the Rollins issue is drawing all the heat and light is that soap opera shtein sells more papers than pointing out for the 100th time that the team has zero offense. Drama shtein like this is gonna be the only way anyone cares enough to read about the Phils this year.
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b017743347fed970d-pi)
That picture isn't large enough.
:-D
whoa J, that may be the biggest picture ever posted on this board.
Haha I don't know how to resize it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2014, 06:46:19 PM
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Something like this.
Thank you!
Ten days until they begin the season sweeping Todd's Rangers
you hate amaro but you think his team is going to do well?
p.s. the rangers are pretty good and are 1000x time the organization the phillies are
Galvis was hospitalized with a staph infection in his leg and will start the year on the DL
the last of the '08ers just got rid of their tickets.
Now Galvis is being tested for MRSA, so they need to disinfect the clubhouse
Minnesota put Worley on waivers. Get? (He's been Adam Eaton levels of awful)
Also some positive news for once: that stupid white tower in the outfield parking lot that blocks the city skyline is being lowered 50 feet
The snorkelings?
Frandsen was sent to the minors and has 72 hours to accept or become a FA
Quote from: Don Ho on March 21, 2014, 04:05:58 PM
The snorkelings?
I typed in The Philthies and snorkeling pops up? WTF?
Saw somewhere Burnett wasn't to concerned about his performance this spring. I was calling 75 wins. >70 is really looking like the winner.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
Haha I don't know how to resize it.
That shot is too funny! It's almost like it's directed right at us. Right back at ya' Smuggy.
If Hamels has no more complications: 75-82 wins.
If Hamels has Tommy John: 67-75 wins.
Put a gun to my head: 76-86
Tommy john? aren't all of his problems in his shoulder? I won't be thinking tommy john til I hear "forearm tightness"
Quote from: Munson on March 23, 2014, 07:34:15 PM
Tommy john? aren't all of his problems in his shoulder? I won't be thinking tommy john til I hear "forearm tightness"
Ruben probably uses the Flyers' doctors.
Last night was MLBN's 30-in-30 for the Phils, and Harold was the only one that gave them a shot at a wildcard, while everyone else picked them 3rd or 4th (possibly last if everything falls apart, according to Verducci). The consensus was that nobody in the lineup is in the prime of their career, HOF is still a question mark that had one good month last year, the three aces have pitched too much, and the bullpen sucks....but hey, at least they'll have Bowa around to yell at them
welcome to two years ago mlb network
they have three aces?
Manship and Kendrick, bro
3rd place is tops IMO. They have as much chance of being the wildcard as Todd does of winning the Pulitzer.
completely random question but geo how old do you think the earth is
Quote from: MDS on March 24, 2014, 07:41:11 PM
completely random question but geo how old do you think the earth is
Don't know. I wasn't there at the (beginning/creation/big bang/whatever you want to call it) and am not a scientist. Those that study that say billions of years, and I can't argue with that.
I'm not a "young earther" if that's what you're asking.
4.6 billion years
Climate change
igporn: CBP is getting poutine and pastrami (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/the-insider/Citizens-Bank-Park-lineup-Poutine-mussels.html#6qY4sqcCQEIEkwFo.99)
had to laugh at this byline from and nl east preview i read....
The East is a two-team race, but ample young talent will keep things interesting for the cellar dwellers.
it basically in one line dismisses the phillies on all fronts....they arent one of the two teams at the top and they are the opposite of young and talented...is there a worse position in sports to be in than where the phillies currently sit
First team I thought of was the Atlanta Hawks. They've been stuck in the 6-8 seed range for 20 years
Abreu was released this morning, so the average age of the roster just dropped to 35
hawks are middle of the road tho...and there was a time when they had a legit young talent base that at least gave some hope
the phillies completely suck and wont be good for a long time
a better comparison would probably be the raiders
Nah, don't agree with that one at all. It's not like the Phils are the Astros, Cubs or Mariners. Maybe they're the Knicks (high-priced mediocre team that keeps telling their fans they have a shot every year), but the Phils have won two championships since the last time those guys did
they are worse than the astros because they are still trying to win..astros have already started their rebuild....cubs the same
mariners is a legit comparison...the cano signing was as bad as it gets
the mariners at least of king and a decent pitching staff....offense is terrible but you can convince yourself that it might all come together this year or next year.
the phillies are old and devoid of talent. there is no team in baseball in a worse off place.
Psycho Ocho wore Chooch's jersey to the mound today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjwi6dUIMAAhbVl.jpg:large)
WTF?
he needs to die and now
Quote from: Romey
good signing tho