Say hello to 2010 version of Jerome McDougle
meh.
STRENGTHS
Aggressiveness
Hitting Ability
Instincts
Graham is arguably the best inside linebacker in the nation. Brandon is very aggressive and he has the ability to slip blocks in the box and make plays. Always arrives to the football in a nasty mood. Quick enough to play sideline-to-sidline. Very smooth and fluid in his footwork.
Love it, like it or hate it?
I like it.
I wish it was Earl Thomas.
I'm somewhere between like it and hate it.
DE was a need, but I think everyone here agrees that S/CB was a bigger need...
Muck Fichigan.
Earl farging Thomas is on the board and you trade up for a Jerome McDougle
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2010, 09:04:41 PM
Earl farging Thomas is on the board and you trade up for a Jerome McDougle
THIS
how many times is this team going to farg up drafting a DE before they get the clue
Earl Thomas goes to Seattle at 14.
Hilarious.
he can play OLB too
Can he play farging FS?
QuoteThe Good: Intense defender constantly flying around the action. Fires off the snap, plays with leverage and excellent pad level. Immediately alters his angle of attack, fast up the field and displays speed in pursuit. Can bend off the edge, fast getting to the flanks, and chases the action hard. Loses no momentum changing direction, easily redirects to ball handlers, and wraps up at the point of attack. Gives effort until the whistle blows and displays good recognition.
The Bad: Struggles against large tackles and engulfed at the point of attack. Displays marginal skill moving in reverse if asked to play in coverage.
The Verdict: Graham has displayed a terrific combination of quickness, explosion, and speed as well as hustle the past three seasons. He causes a lot of problems for opponents with the ability to quickly get up the field and disrupt the action. Graham is a high motor defender who goes hard and gives effort. Offering possibilities as a one-gap defensive end or outside linebacker in a 3-4, he shows a lot of Dwight Freeney in his game.
Neat.
this is slow burning rage...just building with each tidbit i read
O/U on the word "fastball" uttered by Reid tomorrow....5
a fastball. a character guy. traded up to reach. he can play OLB too!!
farging Eagles
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
O/U on the word "fastball" uttered by Reid tomorrow....5
SalPal already did it. Honestly, why trade up for this guy, it makes no farging sense
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
O/U on the word "fastball" uttered by Sal Pal tomorrow....5
That after-pick "analysis" was awful. I'd rather listen to Phreak/IGY banter.
were there no asian engineers available?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 22, 2010, 09:13:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
O/U on the word "fastball" uttered by Sal Pal tomorrow....5
That after-pick "analysis" was awful. I'd rather listen to Phreak/IGY banter.
My banter is refreshing!
It's times like this I wish I was born in Pittsburgh.
c'mon man, it's not that bad
Nothing is ever that bad.
Who wants to bet Adam Carriker has more sacks than Graham this year?
hows he going to get any sacks covering te's all year long
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 22, 2010, 09:19:09 PM
Who wants to bet Adam Carriker has more sacks than Graham this year?
Who wants to bet Trevor Laws has more sacks than Graham this year?
OK, it's not that bad.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2010, 09:20:48 PM
hows he going to get any sacks covering te's all year long
TE lined up under center?
i am disgusted period but i will be beyond help if howie/andy come out tomorrow and say they think he can play strongside backer
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2010, 09:24:50 PM
i am disgusted period but i will be beyond help if howie/andy come out tomorrow and say they think he can play strongside backer
team source was reported as saying he will be a DE
(http://media.mlive.com/thediag/photo/brandon-graham-aacomjpg-ef24c0fd871e51ed_large.jpg)
Look test?
he rated high on howie's spreadsheet
Quote from: SunMo on April 22, 2010, 09:27:44 PM
he rated high on howie's spreadsheet
guaranteed howie fell in love with him at the senior bowl where he had a great week and that was that...nothing else to see
oh and hes a high character guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQfcytu6ItI
meh
my boy who is a michigan alum likes it. says he can play. there.
Schefter says Graham could be the Defensive ROY
Quote from: KDS on April 22, 2010, 09:31:34 PM
meh
my boy who is a michigan alum likes it. says he can play. there.
thats like sb saying the refs called a bad game against the flyers
my meatcicle, your mouth kid
Graham has never impressed me off the line, doesnt have a strong power move, nor speed.
nfl.com's summarizing...
Brandon is a good football player who should be productive at the next level in the right defensive scheme.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 22, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
Schefter says Graham could be the Defensive ROY
Clearly, Schefter and Howie Roseman are lovers.
Who is Jenn Brown and why isn't she farging naked in my bed right now?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
nfl.com's summarizing...
Brandon is a good football player who should be productive at the next level in the right defensive scheme.
Thankfully he's a system guy in a system that doesn't change
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2010, 09:40:10 PM
Who is Jenn Brown and why isn't she farging naked in my bed right now?
LOOK TEST PASS
I have seen enough of this guy to like him a lot. I just don't like giving up 2-3's. But he is not the reach that some of you are making him out to be. Most "experts" had him going in the top 20.
SB you are definitely wrong on his power move, that is one thing he definitely has. He plays the run very well for a smallish DE.
He had 18.5 sacks over the last two seasons.
(http://www.becomeahost.com/images/uploads/Image/jenn_brown.jpg)
(http://www.944.com/blog/images/eat-your-heart-out-boys-jenn-brown-knows-her-sports.jpg)
This thread has improved.
what did they give up for him?
both threes
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/DE/Brandon-Graham.php
Well, he certainly makes a lot of his plays behind the line of scrimmage. We shall see.
The search for hybrid defensive ends that can make a transition to linebacker in the pros calls for some guesswork. But it also adds to the value of players like Brandon Graham of Michigan, one of the top-rated defensive ends - or 3-4 outside linebackers - in this year's draft class. Graham's production in college - a nation-best 26 tackles for loss as a senior - is hard to ignore.
But so is the fact he's only 6-foot-1 and 265 pounds, hardly the prototype for a 4-3 defensive end. South Florida's Jason Pierre-Paul (6-5, 270) is more like it, and along with Georgia Tech's Derrick Morgan (6-3, 266) and perhaps Southern California's Everson Griffen (6-4, 270), they're the other likely first-round picks. "I watch (Denver's Elvis) Dumervil now - he was the (NFL's) leading sacker last year," said Graham, who could go as early as No. 12 to Miami. "I look at myself as the next one. He's 6-1, he's small, a lot of people didn't think he could do it. But I believe whoever gets me is going to love me."
People loved what they saw from Graham coaching him at the Senior Bowl in January. Graham, who played linebacker before college, earned defensive MVP honors, but it was his work all week in practice that had scouts raving, cementing his status as a first-round pick. "He shows up with a smile on his face and he's a competitor," Lions defensive line coach Kris Kocurek said. "He loves to compete, he runs to the football. And the main thing about the kid is he loves football. You can tell. Every snap, every practice, he's always got a great attitude."
I don't know if you're sharing that because you like it or hate it, but I want to fight you.
The more I read, the more I like it. I dig the TFL's and sacks.
lol...Cowboy fan friend hates the Eagles getting him and hates Dallas taking Bryant
Who didnsee Bryant being an cowboy
Cant believe they would give up (2) 3's for him, but this might be the exact kind of guy they need opposite Cole.
Power guy that can back up tackles, disrupt the qb's timing, and get around the edge at a decent speed. Plus with his size he can hold up the line of scrimmage. They need that in the worst way. Still should of took Morgan if youre going to go DE, but I still dig it.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 22, 2010, 10:02:58 PM
Who didnsee Bryant being an cowboy
GET THAT shtein OFF BRANDONS THREAD fargER
I thought he would be a Patriot. Good pick for the Boys makes up for Roy Williams, probably. WRs are very tough to make a transition. Tebow a Bronco.
FASTBALLzzzzzz!!
All that comes to mind is Harris, Mamula, and McDougle. Maybe 4th times a charm? farg us.
Quote from: hbionic on April 22, 2010, 10:54:06 PM
All that comes to mind is Harris, Mamula, and McDougle. Maybe 4th times a charm? farg us.
No comparison. McDougle maybe, because he was actually somewhat productive. But comparing Graham to those other guys is ridiculous, they both literally did nothing in college. Much like there pro careers.
Well...when it comes to the draft...I know only that they come from college. I've haven't heard of 99% of these players...so I form my opinion off of everyone's overreactions.
It makes me feel better that he has potential at being something....at least more potential than Mamula and Harris. I'm crossing my fingers more than McDougle as well.
I'm hoping that he doesn't get shot in the stomach anytime soon.
LOL at the overreactions here.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2010, 11:13:56 PM
LOL at the overreactions here.
Watch CSN and they "the gov" on, he is pissed saying he wanted Earl Thomas. Not going to lie I wanted him or Morgan, but this is by no means a bad pick at all. This was a dude that was on a terrible defense yet still managed to make plays.
i've calmed down, just pissed they went for this when Thomas was right there. I really thought we had Thomas. I've watched more video, definitley feel better about him, i just dont think he's worth 2 3rounders in this draft, where as a FS would have been.
To have him opposite Cole? Everyone has been bitching and bitching about having a guy with a motor like Cole on the other side. You get him and no one is happy. They still have 2 picks in the 2nd.
The whole, "he's McDougle" nonsense is total overreaction.
Everyone seems to (every year) get their panties in a bunch because they have a love affair with some player...and then he goes elsewhere. And a lot of times, that player ends up not being "all that". Not saying Thomas wont' be, but you don't know.
So much for having so much trust in Howie's choices trading away all of these players.
FWIW, there's video out on YouTube of Michigan vs. Iowa. Graham absolutely manhandles Bulaga (who went to the the Packers at 20). He looks like he's extremely good at using leverage.
PG you are absolutely right...that is kind of what makes the draft so fun. A lot of people here last year weren't overly excited about Maclin and he turned out pretty damn good for a rookie WR.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
To have him opposite Cole? Everyone has been bitching and bitching about having a guy with a motor like Cole on the other side. You get him and no one is happy. They still have 2 picks in the 2nd.
some people wanted an edge rusher opposite cole...like someone the offense would have to worry about and possibly take attention away from killa...not a midget oversized OLB type with little burst
I've spent the last hour going over as many appraisals of Graham as I could find and I have to say I'm a little more relieved than I was when they picked him.
He was pretty much a consensus 15-20 pick in nearly every mock and he got glittering reviews from all the experts.
Not getting Thomas was a total shock to all of us, especially when they went up the way they did.
Ah well... at least we didn't end up with Tebow (snickers...).
I loved Maclin there, my bro ordered the jersey that day. I just thought they could have gotten him cheaper based on his value, and maybe have only given up one 3rd
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2010, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
To have him opposite Cole? Everyone has been bitching and bitching about having a guy with a motor like Cole on the other side. You get him and no one is happy. They still have 2 picks in the 2nd.
some people wanted an edge rusher opposite cole...like someone the offense would have to worry about and possibly take attention away from killa...not a midget oversized OLB type with little burst
Aw, whats the matter? Your wholehearted trust and faith in Howie is wavering?
Apparently, according to the draft chart, they gave up exactly what they should have to get him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2010, 11:25:56 PMEveryone seems to (every year) get their panties in a bunch because they have a love affair with some player...and then he goes elsewhere. And a lot of times, that player ends up not being "all that". Not saying Thomas wont' be, but you don't know.
People overreact one way or another about all the players. It's the only way the draft is at all exciting. The truth is most of us don't know a whole lot about these guys beyond what we've been told, and even if we did we really have no idea how well or horribly they will fit into the Eagles. The Eagles themselves are only guessing.
Might as well pick some players to cheer and boo before the draft so you can at least have some fun with it. If not, then just read PE.com about the picks on Monday instead of wasting time following it.
I like it. I think him and Cole could be a awesome combo if he lives up to it. Hoping we get a decent safety next
It just burned, like the Trade up last time with Denver, when the eagles looked like they were going to draft DJ Williams. His phone rang, i coudlnt believe it, then they say Andrews with his Pollyps. THis was literally the same thing. Amazing player there, and they go for a guy who's gonna be solid, i dont think he's a bust, he's a workman type player.
They filled a definite need with a guy who was projected to go around where he did. They didn't reach, they traded equal value for the pick.
Hell, I would have loved a safety there too....but the sky is falling comments from the first few pages of this thread were ridiculous.
And I hate this front office. Have to add that disclaimer.
I like it.
would have loved Thomas, and I thought this was the perfect storm, to jump ahead of Seattle because Carroll was in love with him
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2010, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2010, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
To have him opposite Cole? Everyone has been bitching and bitching about having a guy with a motor like Cole on the other side. You get him and no one is happy. They still have 2 picks in the 2nd.
some people wanted an edge rusher opposite cole...like someone the offense would have to worry about and possibly take attention away from killa...not a midget oversized OLB type with little burst
Aw, whats the matter? Your wholehearted trust and faith in Howie is wavering?
Apparently, according to the draft chart, they gave up exactly what they should have to get him.
wow are you drunk
"whole hearted faith" - first of all before the draft i said i have no choice but to give him a chance but if he farged up id be the first to rip him
"according to the chart" - they gave up to much not because of where they traded up to and what they gave to get there but because of who they took...i have zero faith that this guy will be a great edge pass rusher in the nfl...and to give up two thirds in this draft he better be great...i have serious questions if he will even be good
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 22, 2010, 11:34:25 PM
It just burned, like the Trade up last time with Denver, when the eagles looked like they were going to draft DJ Williams. His phone rang, i coudlnt believe it, then they say Andrews with his Pollyps. THis was literally the same thing. Amazing player there, and they go for a guy who's gonna be solid, i dont think he's a bust, he's a workman type player.
Don't see how that relates, they got a guy who went around when he was supposed to and has none of the baggage that the Big Kid had.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 22, 2010, 11:36:26 PM
They filled a definite need with a guy who was projected to go around where he did. They didn't reach, they traded equal value for the pick.
Hell, I would have loved a safety there too....but the sky is falling comments from the first few pages of this thread were ridiculous.
And I hate this front office. Have to add that disclaimer.
in other words you have no idea who this guy is but just that he went about where he should have and they didnt give up to much for him....how can you make either of those judgements without knowing who the player is
I think the reason everyone was shocked was because Adam Schefter and Mike Mayock flat out said: The Eagles will be picking Earl Thomas with this pick combined with the fact that all the pre-draft hype said safety.
Schefter is usually right on the money, but man he was off when he "confirmed" Earl Thomas was the pick. He was dead wrong.
i wasnt shocked at all that they didnt take thomas....but i thought it would be morgan not graham
I don't get the whole thing about people saying he doesn't have burst or whatever. I have watched a ton of Michigan football this guy can play and has a great all round game. If he was slightly bigger he is a top 5 pick.
As much as I like him there are still a few good edge rushers and not really too many safties. Especially not ones with the potential playmaking ability of Thomas.
Also since "the Gov" hates this pick he should automatically be good. I used to like Rendell, but man he is such a douche now.
Quote from: King Cole on April 22, 2010, 11:40:17 PM
I think the reason everyone was shocked was because Adam Schefter and Mike Mayock flat out said: The Eagles will be picking Earl Thomas with this pick combined with the fact that all the pre-draft hype said safety.
Schefter is usually right on the money, but man he was off when he "confirmed" Earl Thomas was the pick. He was dead wrong.
I missed it live as I had an appointment. Just watched the replay. You're right, Schefter was sold that the birds were going to take Thomas. Gruden and Tom Jackson loved the pick. I would have loved Thomas but Graham is not a bad pick. I saw several reports that actually had him higher than Morgan.
B+
PG loves the pick of a guy from Michigan???
SHOCKING
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2010, 11:42:16 PM
i wasnt shocked at all that they didnt take thomas....but i thought it would be morgan not graham
Same
And I think it's funny anyone on here was shocked they didn't take Thomas. Regardless of how bad they need a safety - and they need one bad - there's zero chance the Eagles take one in round 1, and -i nfinity they trade up for one. Their areas of most importance are the lines and CBs.
Graham is a better player than Morgan IMO. Still would have preferred Thomas though.
Giving away two threes to move up for an undersized DE makes me see red. Not least because Reid has shown that he can't pick a good DE. But also because this is a draft deep in talent. So unless you're shedding picks in order to move up for a real prospect--that is to say, a player everyone knows has a great chance of being a stud--then why waste the picks? Here, I'll put it to you anther way: how is Brandon Graham TWO THREES better than Jerry Hughes, for example?
farging stupid move.
Quote from: King Cole on April 22, 2010, 11:40:17 PM
Schefter is usually right on the money....
That's a phrase I have heard about 10 times in the last two months when talking about something he got dead wrong, again.
Just listened to Spadaro's hard-hitting interview with Andy. Coach did indeed use the word "fastballs."
our teevee remote has more to fear from my son than NFL quarterbacks have to fear from Brandon Graham
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/YapofJixZ5c&feature=channel
McShay is piggybacking on Schefter: "Don't be surprised if he wins 2009 Defensive rookie of the year!" K.
See, I'd believe them if they said he'd make the Pro Bowl. I think the ghost of Reggie White got a couple of write in votes last year and almost made it thanks to injuries.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 23, 2010, 09:02:04 AM
our teevee remote has more to fear from my son than NFL quarterbacks have to fear from Brandon Graham
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/YapofJixZ5c&feature=channel
Awesome. Now the fun begins. They're easy as shtein when you put them somewhere, and they stay there.
The hate coming from some of you is preposterous.
Some of the same who shoot me down when I talk about what a joke Kolb is as the starting QB for the future.
i'm ok with this pick. i would have preferred thomas as i think he could be a stud for a very long time but i saw a lot of michigan games this year and dood is good. he and cole could be a good to great pair of ends together. i can't believe they had to give up both 3s though.
I like how PG waited until the board had a bit of consensus, then pounced to play devil's advocate. Well done.
Wrong, FF. I wasn't online at all until after the first round was over.
but thanks.
I would have preferred Morgan. I am done with trying to convert a LB to DE. How about a DE as a DE? If they get Mays I will be okay with passing on Thomas.
The more I watch highlights of Graham the more I hope he adds 10-15 lbs. He's already a good edge rusher, but the difference between a college RT and pro RT is night and day. The whole 'is weak at the point of attack' is a scary thought.
Quote from: phillycrew on April 23, 2010, 09:23:10 AM
If they get Mays I will be okay with passing on Thomas.
yes.
For what it's worth, every clip I've seen of Graham has him lined up with his hand on the ground. Most of the pundits called him the most NFL-ready pass rusher in the draft, and many are calling him the best. So, he's a defensive end who will be playing defensive end.
This reminds me of when they drafted Gocong - almost all of his highlights were coming off the edge, usually with his hand on the ground as a DE. Then, the Eagles turn him into a strong-side linebacker (or attempt to). We saw how that worked out.
So, frankly, I'm just glad that they are going to use a guy at what he's good at and not try to make him into something he's not. Go team.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2010, 09:13:50 AM
I like how PG waited until the board had a bit of consensus, then pounced to play devil's advocate. Well done.
it was much better when you were gone.
Thanks for that hard-hitting commentary, mussa. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I have never seen one post from you to indicate that you possess a shred of intelligence or rational thought. You're a simple-minded and often angry mental midget, and of all the meaningless opinions to be had on :CF (mine included), yours is consistently challenging the top of the list.
Brandon Graham No Hippos?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2010, 09:47:30 AM
of all the meaningless opinions to be had on :CF (mine included), yours is consistently challenging the top of the list.
Damn, looks like I've got some work to do. ^-^
The more I research this guy the better I like the pick. I'd be happier if he was a couple inches taller and 20 pounds heavier but he was absolutely the most productive big-time defensive end in college football last year. His stats were off the charts and considering he was playing for a fairly abysmal team, for him to accomplish what he did statistically is impressive.
My take is this. He's proven to be productive against good to great competition and had a great senior week. So against the big ten (queue IGY) and the best players in his class he was dominant statistically. I don't know what his vertical is or how bulbous his bubble can be or how his look test score compares to HOF Barksdale, but I like players who show results more than players with 'upside'. I know that's a boring persepctive to have, but this guy showed results so I'll take it.
I would like to get one of those third rounders back, though.
yeah i actually like the pick myself the more i think about it. the pressure he and cole may be able to create may make up for any lack of coverage the db's can give us.
Quote from: smeags on April 23, 2010, 11:11:28 AM
yeah i actually like the pick myself the more i think about it. the pressure he and cole may be able to create may make up for any lack of coverage the db's can give us.
I actually just posted that on Ronnie's FB status a while ago LOL
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2010, 09:47:30 AM
Thanks for that hard-hitting commentary, mussa. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I have never seen one post from you to indicate that you possess a shred of intelligence or rational thought. You're a simple-minded and often angry mental midget, and of all the meaningless opinions to be had on :CF (mine included), yours is consistently challenging the top of the list.
and it starts...welcome back
You all make me really nervous about draft picks because I don't know shtein about the draft and you Philadelphians are more bitter than a salty vagina that's been stranded naked on a deserted island for three years and rescued by a lime ship.
Quote from: hbionic on April 23, 2010, 12:22:12 PM
You all make me really nervous about draft picks because I don't know shtein about the draft and you Philadelphians are worse than Chuggie's analogies.
Chuggie's analogies are worse than Sassy's puns.
I haven't weighed in on this yet, and I know it must be killing everyone. I feel pretty ambivalent about the pick other than to say I would have preferred Thomas and preferred to not part with both third rounders. So, it's not the guy that bothers me, because I don't know enough about him...but I'm just not sold that they had to move to that spot to grab the guy in a draft this deep. So, my thumbs down isn't on the pick itself as much as it is about how they got the pick. And even at that, it's not the end of the world.
I'll get back to you on it, you know, when we see how good the guy actually is. Stay tuned.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 23, 2010, 01:11:47 PM
I haven't weighed in on this yet, and I know it must be killing everyone. I feel pretty ambivalent about the pick other than to say I would have preferred Thomas and preferred to not part with both third rounders. So, it's not the guy that bothers me, because I don't know enough about him...but I'm just not sold that they had to move to that spot to grab the guy in a draft this deep. So, my thumbs down isn't on the pick itself as much as it is about how they got the pick. And even at that, it's not the end of the world.
I'll get back to you on it, you know, when we see how good the guy actually is. Stay tuned.
Speaking of meaningless opinions... !!4
Admittedly, I will love this pick if this guy starts flattening QBs, so... whatever.
lol...as if there are any meaningful opinions on here. The draft is an interesting distraction, and I watch it every year. But all of this talk at this point is, well, pointless. But, hey, it's a hobby.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 23, 2010, 01:11:47 PM
I haven't weighed in on this yet, and I know it must be killing everyone. I feel pretty ambivalent about the pick other than to say I would have preferred Thomas and preferred to not part with both third rounders. So, it's not the guy that bothers me, because I don't know enough about him...but I'm just not sold that they had to move to that spot to grab the guy in a draft this deep. So, my thumbs down isn't on the pick itself as much as it is about how they got the pick. And even at that, it's not the end of the world.
I'll get back to you on it, you know, when we see how good the guy actually is. Stay tuned.
Setting my timer for 94,608,000 minutes from now.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
My take is this. He's proven to be productive against good to great competition and had a great senior week. So against the big ten (queue IGY) and the best players in his class he was dominant statistically. I don't know what his vertical is or how bulbous his bubble can be or how his look test score compares to HOF Barksdale, but I like players who show results more than players with 'upside'. I know that's a boring persepctive to have, but this guy showed results so I'll take it.
I would like to get one of those third rounders back, though.
= meaningful.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2010, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 23, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
My take is this. He's proven to be productive against good to great competition and had a great senior week. So against the big ten (queue IGY) and the best players in his class he was dominant statistically. I don't know what his vertical is or how bulbous his bubble can be or how his look test score compares to HOF Barksdale, but I like players who show results more than players with 'upside'. I know that's a boring persepctive to have, but this guy showed results so I'll take it.
I would like to get one of those third rounders back, though.
= meaningful.
I don't think I've ever seen you have a serious post about football. Most likely because I skip over every post here because my opinion is better/more accurate than everybody else's anyway, but nicely done, rjs.
Quote from: SD on April 23, 2010, 09:24:45 AM
The more I watch highlights of Graham the more I hope he adds 10-15 lbs. He's already a good edge rusher, but the difference between a college RT and pro RT is night and day. The whole 'is weak at the point of attack' is a scary thought.
exfargingzackly
i have to laugh at the people who say he was so productiove in college...like players who do nothing at the college level are picked in the first round all the time...but THIS is a guy who was actually a good college player and picked in the first round
watch the man people not the stats
Per PE.com, there are no negative reactions to the pick. (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=20940)
Thank God.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2010, 01:15:55 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on April 23, 2010, 01:11:47 PM
I haven't weighed in on this yet, and I know it must be killing everyone. I feel pretty ambivalent about the pick other than to say I would have preferred Thomas and preferred to not part with both third rounders. So, it's not the guy that bothers me, because I don't know enough about him...but I'm just not sold that they had to move to that spot to grab the guy in a draft this deep. So, my thumbs down isn't on the pick itself as much as it is about how they got the pick. And even at that, it's not the end of the world.
I'll get back to you on it, you know, when we see how good the guy actually is. Stay tuned.
Speaking of meaningless opinions... !!4
Admittedly, I will love this pick if this guy starts flattening QBs, so... whatever.
Preposterous!
ha
Isn't Graham the same weight, but an inch and a half shorter than Morgan?
An inch and a half!?!? Omg!
That inch and a half is going to cost them a superbowl, I can feel it.
Just ask the Titans...
and inch and a half is a ton when it comers to measurables in football...espcially when you arent talking about 6'6 vs 6'4 1/2
btw how funny is it that beane is replying to his own alias' after rome calls him out
wait what?
I doubt its a ton. He is big enough compared to other defensive ends and enough people like him that I think there's a pretty good chance he's going to be a good player, but since you are a scout we should probably just all bow down and worship at the alter of igy.
the altar of Dio is much greater
Quote from: mpmcgraw on April 23, 2010, 03:57:33 PM
I doubt its a ton. He is big enough compared to other defensive ends and enough people like him that I think there's a pretty good chance he's going to be a good player.
lol.....everybody likes every guy thats rated a first rounder or they wouldnt be first rounders...how are you going to dislike someone you rated highly
and hes not really big enough...hes big enough if he had off the charts athleticism...but hes a smallish high motor guy...not exactly a combination that screams probowler
hes not smallish. he weighs the same as Morgan.
and morgan isnt that good either...whats your point
why are you arguing with him? he takes unpopular views for the sake of picking a fight. hes like a lamer, dorkier, gayer version of glenn beck.
not really, just pointing out that hes not small.
dont you have a chubby quarterback to suckle? go away.
QuoteI'm going to take a more detailed look at this in the coming weeks, but a lot is being made about Graham's size: 6-1 1/3, 268. I took a look at last year's top sack guys to see how their height compared to Graham's. Keep in mind that these might not be prototypical left defensive ends (some fall in the hybrid OLB/DE mold), but we don't really know how the Eagles plan on using Graham.
Elvis Dumervil, who led the league in sacks with 17, is listed at 5-11, 248 pounds. Dwight Freeney's listed height and weight is identical to Graham's: 6-1, 268. He's had double-digit sacks in six of eight NFL seasons. Pass-rushing linebacker LaMarr Woodley (also from Michigan) is 6-2, 265. He had 13.5 sacks last season with the Steelers.
The point? Look at each prospect individually. Making generalizations based on height, school or conference is easy, but doesn't really work. Remember 1997 first-round pick Jon Harris? He was 6-7. He finished his career with two sacks in two seasons.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Grahams_size_Day_2_notes.html
Quote from: KDS on April 23, 2010, 04:22:35 PM
why are you arguing with him? he takes unpopular views for the sake of picking a fight. hes like a lamer, dorkier, gayer version of glenn beck.
i know i know
but hes fun at least and he would admit he knows nothing and is just farging around...which i respect...as opposed to munson who actually thinks he knows shtein (easy shout) and is a bum farging idiot
in summation i like me some beane
Quote from: mpmcgraw on April 23, 2010, 04:26:13 PM
QuoteI'm going to take a more detailed look at this in the coming weeks, but a lot is being made about Graham's size: 6-1 1/3, 268. I took a look at last year's top sack guys to see how their height compared to Graham's. Keep in mind that these might not be prototypical left defensive ends (some fall in the hybrid OLB/DE mold), but we don't really know how the Eagles plan on using Graham.
Elvis Dumervil, who led the league in sacks with 17, is listed at 5-11, 248 pounds. Dwight Freeney's listed height and weight is identical to Graham's: 6-1, 268. He's had double-digit sacks in six of eight NFL seasons. Pass-rushing linebacker LaMarr Woodley (also from Michigan) is 6-2, 265. He had 13.5 sacks last season with the Steelers.
The point? Look at each prospect individually. Making generalizations based on height, school or conference is easy, but doesn't really work. Remember 1997 first-round pick Jon Harris? He was 6-7. He finished his career with two sacks in two seasons.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Grahams_size_Day_2_notes.html
again i know youre just playing devils ad and you havent seen any of these guys play but elvis dumervill has more talent in his left shoulder than brandon graham has in his whole body....and putting dwight freeny in the same sentance as bg is criminal
Well he's not slow. 4.6 at the combine and reportedly 4.4 at some other camp. We'll see.
40 times are super important at the DE position
they are if you're naked running away from the cops after you just raped a bitch.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on April 23, 2010, 04:32:50 PM
Well he's not slow. 4.6 at the combine and reportedly 4.4 at some other camp. We'll see.
Right but how's his burst? I want to see his burst times GODDAMMIT.
People (ok, only really IGY and Dio) seem to be taking quite extreme and polarizing negative views on this guy, especially considering that every draftnik I've seen had him as a consensus top-20 guy and about half seem to think he was the best pass rusher in the draft.
It's one thing not to really like the pick, but saying the guy has no talent or is way too small or any of those things is maybe a little much.
ill gladly take responsibility if he turns into a probowler...but i dont go by what players are ranked or who says hes the best pash rusher in the draft (which is ridiculous btw) i go by what i see of him...and i dont see even close to a dynamic edge rusher
it speaks well for you people that you're so interested in my opinion. perhaps there is hope yet.
how many games did you see him play igy ?
probably 10 over the last four years but id say like 4-5 over the last two where i knew who he really was...and ive watched a shteinload of video of him over the last couple months
Quote from: Diomedes on April 23, 2010, 04:51:18 PM
it speaks well for you people that you're so interested in my opinion. perhaps there is hope yet.
Well, you've made a firm decision to hate the pick, and I applaud you for sticking to your guns.
what do you sit in a room with jaws ?
no i sit in my living room
or a bar
get drunk
and watch college football every sat from 12 to 12
and then i go on this thing called youtube...or other sites that have tape of draft prospects
here's a summary of my objections
AR has lousy record spotting pass rushing talent, no reason to believe that changes here
the last time AR moved up for a DE it was a bust, not gonna assume this will work out any better. three years 30 sacks, I'll stop bitching about the move. anything less than that and my opinion stays the same
Graham is not two threes better than whatever other OLB/DE would have been available at 24. compounding this objection is the unusual depth of talent in this year's draft...losing two solid chances at good players in order to move up for anything less than a consensus stud is dumb stupid retarded
DE is not as big a need as S, and Graham is not as solid a prospect as Thomas...nevermind drafting best available player vs. greatest need..what Reid did here is trade up for lesser talent at lesser need position
and oh yeah, I don't feel confident this kid can handle NFL linemen. On this point, I'll admit that I don't know enough about football to credibly say who will or won't succeed, but whatever. I doubt he'll do much.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2010, 04:50:36 PM
ill gladly take responsibility if he turns into a probowler...but i dont go by what players are ranked or who says hes the best pash rusher in the draft (which is ridiculous btw) i go by what i see of him...and i dont see even close to a dynamic edge rusher
You also said Orakpo was slow off the ball, which is completely opposite of the truth. Watch his 10 minute highlight video he is very quick off the ball, not to mention he has a pretty strong bull rush.
This was actually a good read...
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100423/SPORTS06/100423054/1322/Draft-party-with-Michigans-Graham&template=fullarticle
QuoteFor every shot ESPN absorbs, there are so many the cameras don't capture.
The NFL Draft may go on too long, be too inconvenient and not enough action. But in those 10-15 second moments when the network shows a player getting selected, with family and friends filling the room, all you see is joy.
It's the moment the players — and especially their families — will never forget.
This is the story of Brandon Graham, the adventure of his journey through his draft evening, and a few of the people who made it possible.
6:20 p.m. Thursday
Brandon Graham is running a bit late. Not that he'll miss anything, but he planned for a bit more downtime after he arrived at Birmingham's exclusive Townsend Hotel but before his big moment. The NFL Draft wouldn't start for more than an hour and he probably wouldn't be picked for more than two, so he had time. Walking in with his girlfriend, Carlyne Williams, his business manager and the manager's girlfriend, it was hardly an entourage.
If anything, Graham is low key and his plain white undershirt and Senior Bowl workout shorts showed: this was about comfort. Standing close enough was a plainclothes security guard, who would remain outside the door all night, probably the only person who could make Graham look small. Graham barely seemed to notice, though.
All he flashed was his signature ear-to-ear grin that disarms anyone he meets.
6:45 pm
Graham was showering in a hotel room as Williams ironed his lavender dress shirt and pinstripe suit pants, prepping for the night's presentation. A law school student, Williams attended Detroit Crockett, a bit before Graham. She simply wanted to make his day special. Graham's suit choice was a bit agonizing earlier in the day as he finalized between the four options offered by a few tailors. Amazing to Graham: that the tailors flew in from various spots in the country, just for him.
Part of the whirlwind of an elite draft pick, he said, shrugging. "I can't believe some of these teams would fly me in (for a visit) for just a couple hours," Graham said.
While Williams remained in the background most of the night, she allowed a bit of insight, sharing what makes Graham unique.
"He's always trying to find a positive in every situation," she said. "He always says, 'it's going to pay off eventually.' "
7:15 p.m.
When Graham enters the sixth floor suite, his salmon and lavender tie properly positioned beneath his freshly steamed jacket, more than a dozen family members from his father's side are waiting for him. All dressed up themselves, they let out a raucous cheer, admiring his suit and drawing that face-creasing smile.
His first hugs go to his 4-year-old sister MaKaylah Walton and his 5-year-old cousin Deangelo Alexander. He lifts them with ease, as he's tossed so many offensive linemen on the field.
While the New York invitation would have been a thrill with the other elite draftees, this seems much more Graham's environment, surrounded by family and friends. His father, Darrick Walton, stands in the back of the room, trying to soak it in.
Wearing his own striking blue suit, Walton just shook his head, overwhelmed at the moment. At various points in the day, counting down to the party, he couldn't even grasp that it was a weekday and felt nervous, simply reflecting on the years of telling his son this day would arrive, from the time he started in Little League football as he grew.
"I just sat home today and thought about all those times," Walton said. "Amazing."
7:32 p.m.
One of the main reasons Graham is so beloved? His innocence. He's still the kid who leaned off the balcony of the Townsend room while he was getting dressed, yelling to his high school coach, Rod Oden, who was walking down the street towards the hotel.
He's the one who heard later in the evening that his 1-month-old cousin, Laila Walton, was leaving the party. Instead of offering a non-looking dismissive wave, perfectly acceptable on his star night, he walked over to cradle her, rocking back and forth for five minutes, muttering, "I could kiss her all day."
That's the Graham these family members loved, the boy inside the man, the one mugging for photos as his 3-year-old cousin Tarreese Ealy used a digital camera – "You can't cover the flash," Graham playfully explained — and the one who looked at the screen with the draft starting and took a photo of the screen with his cell phone camera, capturing that moment.
"First pick, Brandon Graham," he yelled out, giggling as the room chuckled along with him.
8:30 p.m.
When the No. 10 pick came up for the Jacksonville Jaguars, Graham was still circling the room, chatting with family, friends who wanted a piece of him on family members cell phones, along with embracing the other side of his family after his mother, Tasha Graham, rolled in, bringing the room total over 25 people, well beyond the usual numbers for that suite.
It was all the wait staff could do to keep the drinks flowing, the pizzas hot and the trays of sliders and chicken wings full on the back table.
Graham finally got back to his seat for the spot he expected to go, to Jacksonville, which had made two trips to Detroit to see him, worked their way through every nook and cranny of Crockett and had countless conversations with Oden. So when Jacksonville surprised everyone by taking a projected second-round defensive lineman, the whole room gasped.
But Graham snapped right back, re-focused on the next pick, putting the disappointment in the past.
8:49 p.m.
Graham's cell phone was his lifeline for the night and it wasn't ringing much. A call here or there, but not the one he wanted. So when he grabbed the phone with San Diego on the TV screen, no one flinched, including him.
Later he explained his agent, Joel Segal, was explaining that Philly would take him at No. 13, but to stay calm until the team called. When they did, he grabbed the phone, took the call and stood up to roars in the room. Amidst the celebration, no one knew where he was going, just that he was.
Eventually he covered the phone to say Philly, before returning to the call, mostly offering "yes, coach" and repeating his desire to work hard. The room had cheered earlier when his name had popped on the "best available" list, but nothing like this.
When Philadelphia's trade was announced, grabbing Denver's spot at 13, the instant ESPN analysis was teams were possibly moving for Texas safety Earl Thomas.
"He don't know what he's talking about," yelled a party attendee, already an insider on Philly's real target. That's when the room silenced again, eight minutes after the first call, as they awaited the official stamping from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
The words they waited years for finally arrived, the ESPN camera caught Graham's family in action, exploding in hugs, tears, while seeing themselves — on a few second delay, of course — on the screen with the ESPN exclusive. A moment that will last forever.
9:15 p.m.
The whirlwind just started for Graham, as he circled the room hugging everyone in sight, drinking a flute of Brut champagne, provided by the Townsend, accepting congratulations from friends on other people's phones, in between getting his Friday morning travel plans for Philly and holding about a five-minute conference call with the Philadelphia media (in the hallway to avoid the noise.)
As his mother, Tasha, sat on the couch — her day had started with a 9 a.m, hair appointment, a trip for makeup in the afternoon and helping all the kids get dressed. Her life was about to change as well, with her plan to move to her son's destination, finding a house and helping him settle in as both started a new life in a new place.
"It was beyond my expectations," Tasha said. "Being here, with family, friends and such a loving room, this boy took us all with him. Now, we're all ready to see him in the NFL."
Tasha was seated right next to her son when the Philadelphia call came, but she dismissed it, thinking it was just a local call. "It happened so fast, and you've got to enjoy the moment," she said. "It's just so overwhelming when it goes like that."
9:30 p.m.
Rod Oden, Crockett's football coach, has worked as hard as Graham "since the final whistle of the Ohio State game" trying to make sure everything fell right. Knowing Graham's trust level, shown by hugging people he's just met, Oden feared someone taking advantage of him. So he started taking the calls, at all hours. He heard from agents, financial people, teams, media, everyone imaginable and he only let a few through to Graham. His role was to be the gatekeeper, and that's what he was still doing Thursday night, asking Graham's business manager about his plans for the soon-to-be-wealthy star. (The 13th pick in the 2009 draft signed a five-year, $14 million contract with more than $10 million guaranteed.)
"Obviously Philly really wanted him," Oden said from the back of the room, where he had spent most of the night, as one of the few non-family members invited to the party. "They traded up in the first and gave two third-round picks to get him. It's a great city and a great fit for him. He gets to play the same position and is in a 4-3 defense, which he's always played."
After the pick was made, Oden's phone started blowing up as well. Former Crockett coaches, now in Washington, D.C. and Atlanta, were already checking Philly's NFL schedule. Oden was already thinking about how his team — which planned to watch the draft from Buffalo Wild Wings in Ferndale — could go watch Graham play.
Lest you think 25-30 is a large party, that was small compared to the hordes of friends who wanted to come. It was Graham's decision to keep it family and just a few close friends.
"He kept saying, 'it's no big deal coach'," Oden said. "I said, this is a big deal. It's bigger than you. It's about the city of Detroit, Crockett High School, the University of Michigan."
10 p.m.
Graham was already making for the door, to greet others in the hotel lobby as the party started to wind down. Picks were still flashing on the television and some family members were staying in the suite, holding onto a night they didn't want to release.
But for anyone who expects this night to change Graham, to sap his innocence, will have to wait a little longer.
"I'm going to Philly, that's the best thing ever," he said. "They had Donovan McNabb and Michael Vick. McNabb's gone but I'm going to meet Vick. That's really cool."
9:30 a.m. Friday
What does the day after the biggest night of your life look like? If you're Brandon Graham, not quite as exciting. This morning, as he walked through Metro Airport on his way to catch a flight to Philadelphia for the day's festivities with the media and team officials, Graham ran into a reporter.
Wearing a black Philadelphia Eagles shirt, he was all alone with his roller suitcase, just another traveler wearing the gear of his favorite sports team. A day earlier, Graham wouldn't have given a second glance at someone supporting Philly. Now, that was his team.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 23, 2010, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2010, 04:50:36 PM
ill gladly take responsibility if he turns into a probowler...but i dont go by what players are ranked or who says hes the best pash rusher in the draft (which is ridiculous btw) i go by what i see of him...and i dont see even close to a dynamic edge rusher
You also said Orakpo was slow off the ball, which is completely opposite of the truth. Watch his 10 minute highlight video he is very quick off the ball, not to mention he has a pretty strong bull rush.
Burst?
From what I've read, his ear to ear grin has great burst and his chin has a nice bubble.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 23, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
here's a summary of my objections
AR has lousy record spotting pass rushing talent, no reason to believe that changes here
the last time AR moved up for a DE it was a bust, not gonna assume this will work out any better. three years 30 sacks, I'll stop bitching about the move. anything less than that and my opinion stays the same
Graham is not two threes better than whatever other OLB/DE would have been available at 24. compounding this objection is the unusual depth of talent in this year's draft...losing two solid chances at good players in order to move up for anything less than a consensus stud is dumb stupid retarded
DE is not as big a need as S, and Graham is not as solid a prospect as Thomas...nevermind drafting best available player vs. greatest need..what Reid did here is trade up for lesser talent at lesser need position
and oh yeah, I don't feel confident this kid can handle NFL linemen. On this point, I'll admit that I don't know enough about football to credibly say who will or won't succeed, but whatever. I doubt he'll do much.
This might be your best football-related post ever, and every bit of it makes sense. In fact I will say that my gut says you're totally right - both Earl Thomas AND Dez Bryant will make the Graham selection seem silly.
However, the highlights I've seen have been somewhat encouraging, and you like a guy that basically never got a break on a bad defense and made play after play. The most encouraging things I've seen:
-Mixes up technique really well, sets up the OT for failure
-Enough speed to get around outside, effortless spin move is money
-Arms may be short but are strong and he gets a lot of movement with them, good natural technique
-He went to Michigan, so I hate him. Thus, he has a better chance of being a great pro than Jared Odrick, Navorro Bowman, and Sean Lee combined.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2010, 04:56:24 PM
no i sit in my living room
or a bar
get drunk
and watch college football every sat from 12 to 12
and then i go on this thing called youtube...or other sites that have tape of draft prospects
so you watched video of graham in over the last few months along with every other prospect out there ?
His first hugs go to his 4-year-old sister MaKaylah Walton and his 5-year-old cousin Deangelo Alexander. He lifts them with ease, as he's tossed so many offensive linemen on the field.
:puke
I stopped reading after this crap.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 23, 2010, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2010, 04:50:36 PM
ill gladly take responsibility if he turns into a probowler...but i dont go by what players are ranked or who says hes the best pash rusher in the draft (which is ridiculous btw) i go by what i see of him...and i dont see even close to a dynamic edge rusher
You also said Orakpo was slow off the ball, which is completely opposite of the truth. Watch his 10 minute highlight video he is very quick off the ball, not to mention he has a pretty strong bull rush.
yeah in a 4-3 hand on the ground set i didnt think hed be good enougn to get around OT's in the nfl...which is why they made him a "LB"...even tho he really isnt one they set him out in space to get lose...and now smartly thay have him in a 3-4 set to even better utilize his skill set
Quote from: Diomedes on April 23, 2010, 05:09:18 PM
His first hugs go to his 4-year-old sister MaKaylah Walton and his 5-year-old cousin Deangelo Alexander. He lifts them with ease, as he's tossed so many offensive linemen on the field.
:puke
I stopped reading after this crap.
Pretty much
I like how ESPN tries to draw an emotional connection to each pick. Like when the one lineman was announced Kolber is speaking soft and slow because his mother died 6 months ago.
He's excited to come to philly because............he wants to meet Mike Vick.
Nevermind. I hate him. All aboard the igy train.
Orakpo had his hand in the dirt mostly at UT....just saying.
am i the only one that googled the erin andrews video when she appreared ?
no I made good use of it
That article came from the Detroit Free-Press. I think Todd wrote some of it.
Quote from: SD on April 23, 2010, 05:12:24 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 23, 2010, 05:09:18 PM
His first hugs go to his 4-year-old sister MaKaylah Walton and his 5-year-old cousin Deangelo Alexander. He lifts them with ease, as he's tossed so many offensive linemen on the field.
:puke
I stopped reading after this crap.
Pretty much
I like how ESPN tries to draw an emotional connection to each pick. Like when the one lineman was announced Kolber is speaking soft and slow because his mother died 6 months ago.
I've totally changed my mind about the televised draft. I'm all for it now, but they need to replace everyone with guidos. "Hey, shut the farg up already. Wit their first pick in the farging NFL draft, the fargin' Cowboys select, from some jizzbag college, this goofy lookin' bastich in the yellow suit. The farg is wrong with you?"
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 23, 2010, 05:13:42 PM
Orakpo had his hand in the dirt mostly at UT....just saying.
definitely...and watching him there imo he couldnt do that in the pros...which he had trouble with last year...then about a quarter thru the season they moved him off the line
Quote from: SD on April 23, 2010, 05:15:05 PM
no I made good use of it
i think we crossed swords.
Next thing the NFL will do with the draft is pack the auditorium with nice people who don't boo anyone.
Quote from: Rome on April 23, 2010, 05:15:13 PM
That article came from the Detroit Free-Press. I think Todd wrote some of it.
The P is FREE, but the Crack cost money...OH YEAH
I certainly understand people being pissed about them losing 2-3s, but to act like this guy is one dimensional or a situational player is crazy. I even heard Didinger say that, which I don't understand...anybody that watched him play has to know that is not true.
hes definitely not situational...i think hes a three down de who just wont be a difference maker
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2010, 05:25:03 PM
hes definitely not situational...i think hes a three down de who just wont be a difference maker
That is probably the most likely outcome Dlineman have the highest bust rate of any other position (that includes DTs). The thing I like most about him is he was productive. To me that is the most important part of evaluating a guy. You look at the way the Steelers, Colts, any Parcells team that is usually what they go for.
Wearing #94
ND
graham is on mikey miss right now.
Eh...I'm not ecstatic about this pick, but I don't hate it either. Hopefully he'll turn out to be a good bookend for Cole. If nothing else he should take some of the double teams off.
I'll gladly take official sponsorship of Brandon Graham Sacker. Get it? Like Graham Cracker but switch the words out and...yeah...Graham Sacker. :paranoid
now we are not just bolding our puns we are explaining them
romey do something
Quote from: mussa on April 23, 2010, 06:19:27 PM
I'll gladly take official sponsorship of Brandon Graham Sacker. Get it? Like Graham Cracker but switch the words out and...yeah...Graham Sacker. :paranoid
That shtein is so gay I'm on board.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'd like to add to my list of reasons to not be hopeful about Graham:
The same people who selected him, traded down like four times to draft Daniel Te'o-Nesheim.
Great.
Tao-noshram is like a poor man's Brandon Graham.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
Tao-noshram is like a poor man's Brandon Graham.
pretty much
Earl Thomas is a rich man's safety.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
Tao-noshram is like a poor man's Brandon Graham.
Or a poor man's Gocong.
Gocong is a poor man's Gocong.
Half Samoan, half Norwegian.... HAHAHAAHAHAAHAAA
That can't be a terribly common combination.
John Cocktostone.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 23, 2010, 10:05:49 PM
John Cocktostone.
I'll have a Bloody Mary and a steak sandwich and... a steak sandwich, ...
It's Scotch Romanian.
That's an odd combination.
Yeah, well, so were my parents.
QuoteWHY GRAHAM OVER DERRICK MORGAN?
Reid wouldn't compare the two, understandably, but he said Graham has "the rear end and the big thighs." We'll leave it at that.
Bubble! (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Reid_talks_draft_on_radio.html)
Makes you wonder why they don't draft more black chicks.
jockstraps.
with that I'm surprised igy isn't a bigger fan
currently all my attention is on chris zardas
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/umas/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/3450993.jpeg)
Dude looks like Tex Cobb.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2010, 02:28:47 PM
currently all my attention is on chris zardas
(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/umas/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/3450993.jpeg)
Zardas the hard-ass?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 27, 2010, 02:31:14 PM
Dude looks like Tex Cobb.
I hope they share the same horrible laugh.
Chris Zardas may be the closer the Phillies are looking for. Look at that dude. farging Fred "The Ogre" Palowakski
(http://www.atom.com/blog/files/2009/12/revenge-of-the-nerds.jpg)
QuoteRoster Numbers For New Players
DE Brandon Graham hasn't been an Eagle for a week yet and he's already switched his number in the NFL. Originally, it was announced that Graham would sport No. 94, but it's been changed to No. 54. We'll find out why on Thursday as the players arrive for the post-draft mini-camp. We'll broadcast the players' arrival on Eagles Live! beginning at 3:30 PM tomorrow.
Already being moved to SAM/Joker/out of position guy? :boom
No, because he's the next Hugh Douglas.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2010, 07:22:43 PM
QuoteRoster Numbers For New Players
DE Brandon Graham hasn't been an Eagle for a week yet and he's already switched his number in the NFL. Originally, it was announced that Graham would sport No. 94, but it's been changed to No. 54. We'll find out why on Thursday as the players arrive for the post-draft mini-camp. We'll broadcast the players' arrival on Eagles Live! beginning at 3:30 PM tomorrow.
Already being moved to SAM/Joker/out of position guy? :boom
3-4 defense
Who plays inside with Stewie?
Lois is watching him.
5+4=9 which stands for how many Pro Bowls he'll make in his career as an Eagle.
Quote from: King Cole on April 28, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
5+4=9 which stands for how many Pro Bowls he'll make in his career as an Eagle.
please kill yourself after finding who stole your bike
54 should not be given out.
Didn't they learn their lesson with Nate Wayne and Tyreo farging Harrison?
wonder what ol Tyreo is doing these days. Looks like a Hugh like #. We'll see how good he really is i guess
I think Tyreo changed my oil last week
I think Tracy White was #54 too and changed to 52 when Trotter came back.
None of this is interesting.
I remember Rusty's facial hair wearing #54 at one point.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100710_Eagles_rookie_Graham_says_he_ll_work_hard_once_he_gets_to_camp.html
QuoteEven if he hasn't inked a deal, Graham will be at Lehigh, his pads off, but his notebook out.
"Even if I'm not signed, I'll be there, doing the learning part," Graham said. "I'm going to be at camp, regardless. Just to let Coach know I'm serious. If I'm not there, my starting position might be in jeopardy."
First step DROY, next step HOF (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/15488/big-question-biggest-impact-for-1st-round-pick)
first step should be growing
Are you talking about giving him a chubby?
Apparently, Graham's agent won't even take the Eagles' calls to talk about his contract whatsoever, even framework stuff, because no picks close enough to him have signed. (The only first-round picks signed are the 24th and 27th.)
This kind of stuff will have to be fixed in the next CBA somehow. But someone had to pop the cherry, and the Cowboys and Dez Bryant's reps did that. So, while Graham's chances of contributing this year are dwindling, Bryant is getting ready to eat Ellis Hobbs for lunch.
The same was said about Maclin last year and he did a solid job at a position that is tough to contribute as a rookie.
id say maclin did much more than a solid job....and yes the hold out thing for rookies is so overrated its not even funny...especially for a pass rushing DE...
see quarterback
get to quarterback
tackle quaterback
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2010, 01:39:51 PM
id say maclin did much more than a solid job....and yes the hold out thing for rookies is so overrated its not even funny...especially for a pass rushing DE...
see quarterback
get to quarterback
tackle quaterback
To a point that is true, but there are a lot of DEs that struggle as rookies. Though if they are just using him as a pass rusher than I tend to agree.
you struggle when you move up any level in sports....whether it be from pop warner to high school football....or low class A baseball to high class A
but thats because the competiion is tougher not because you started camp late
Basically what you are saying is you can play or you can't.
yes
I agree with igy here, it's not like a d-lineman has a lot to learn in the Eagles defensive scheme. Most of the reason he needs to get into camp is to fine tune his technique and get into playing shape. Nate Allen getting into camp is a bigger deal, because DBs do have a lot to learn.
Just read that he signed from radio host Matt Lombardo's FB page?
asked him for a link and this is his comment:
QuoteMatt Lombardo Don't have a link yet but I spoke with a source close to the team who told me it's a five year deal and he SHOULD be in camp tomorrow am.
Schefter confirmed done deal, no #'s yet.
Adam Caplan also confirming.
Great news.
Pour one out for Blue Cooper. Cut to make room.
http://www.csnphilly.com/07/29/10/Eagles-Agree-to-Five-Year-Deal-With-Grah/landing.html?blockID=280058&feedID=704
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 29, 2010, 10:21:17 PM
Pour one out for Blue Cooper. Cut to make room.
Blue you're my boy!
Quote from: SD on July 29, 2010, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 29, 2010, 10:21:17 PM
Pour one out for Blue Cooper. Cut to make room.
Blue you're my boy!
You and Munson should, you know, hang out.
I'd rather hang out with the registered sex offender one block over
Quote from: SD on July 29, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
I'd rather hang out with the registered sex offender one block over
there's a difference?
I just family watchdogged my address...there's about 20 of them in a 1 mile radius of me.
Take your pick.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 29, 2010, 10:44:59 PM
Quote from: SD on July 29, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
I'd rather hang out with the registered sex offender one block over
there's a difference?
You're at the height of your Munson trolling. Only a short way to go before you catch up to igy/todd levels of following.
haha at them getting Graham signed the night the Phils get Oswalt.
Banner must have been pissed at the Oswalt thing and had to get it done.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 29, 2010, 10:44:59 PM
Quote from: SD on July 29, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
I'd rather hang out with the registered sex offender one block over
there's a difference?
Not really, one's a despicable human being who's lucky to be alive, the other one is a registered sex offender.
One's a sick duck...and I don't remember how it ends but your mother's a whore
Kurt Coleman Tweet :-D
QuoteGettin my body right while @BGraham54 sleeps like a bear on the floor. Smh
QuoteLook at the lil guy worn out @BGraham54
(http://web12.twitpic.com/img/138413612-532f6af1561a15d602864d9c3b040755.4c5479b8-scaled.jpg)
Just got millions of dollars and that's the best place he can find to catch some zzzz's?
Also, note that the socks and sandals are Havas-approved!
Coleman is a funny twatter
10 bucks says he's on the opening day roster
lol
http://www.csnphilly.com/08/24/10/Eagles-Move-Graham-Up-to-First-Team/landing_eagles.html?blockID=296546&feedID=704
now the starter
good shtein. Parker as a backup is his perfect role on this team
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 24, 2010, 12:36:12 PM
good shtein. Parker as a backup is his perfect role on this team
Exactly. Parker as a backup is a good player. Parker as a starter is meh. Go team.
I miss Juqua Thomas.
great now go plant mcnabb in the ground with the worms. irony can hurt.
if any of the young guys (get your head out of your ass ricky sapp) would show anything juqua would be cut...and i suppose he still could be
Quote from: phattymatty on August 24, 2010, 12:56:43 PM
I miss Juqua Thomas.
me too, that J. Thomas jersey would have been a buttajoint
Yes, I am disappointed in Ricky Sapp.
Thought he would be killin people
Sapp/Scott really just havent done much for my recollection. They seemed to have found a baller in Clayton.
QuoteGraham Draws Rave Reviews For First Start
Rookie first-round pick Brandon Graham spent most of training camp working as a pass rusher from the defensive end spot. But with the acquisition of defensive end Antwan Barnes from Baltimore, Graham got to showcase his versatility on Sunday against the Packers.
For the vast majority of his snaps, Graham was lined up at left defensive tackle on pass rush situations in the nickel defense. He didn't record a tackle, but was constantly around the ball helping to disrupt the timing of quarterback Aaron Rodgers.
"Coach wanted me in there (at defensive tackle)," Graham said after the game Sunday. "That's where they feel comfortable right now ...I'm down with whatever they want to do."
Graham said that he was within arm's reach of bringing Rodgers down for a sack a few times during the course of the game. As far as his overall performance goes, the 13th-overall pick is happy to put his first career start in the books.
"I think it went well, even though I wanted to go against the tackle (Mark Tauscher) because that's who I studied most of the time," Graham said. ""But man, I wish I could have got at (Rodgers) a couple of times."
Defensive coordinator Sean McDermott rotated the defensive ends throughout the game, lining up guys all across the defensive line. Graham thought the strategy worked Sunday afternoon, as Rodgers seemed confused by some of the looks the Eagles threw at him.
"He didn't know where we were coming from," Graham said. "(The Packers) didn't see it coming. I think it's a good thing that we're switching it up. I like it. Whatever the coaches want to do, I'm just trying to win."
Head coach Andy Reid gave Graham a good review for his first NFL game. Reid told reporters at his Monday press conference that while Graham didn't light up the stat sheet, his contributions made life easier for the other defensive ends on the field.
"Well, you really saw Brandon go up against a really good player (in guard Josh Sitton)," Reid said. "That's probably, they have a bunch of good offensive lineman, but I think he's probably the best of the bunch and I thought he did a nice job. We were able to get that inside push where (QB) Aaron (Rodgers) couldn't step up and throw, so it gave our outside pass rushers an opportunity."
While Graham is more than happy to help his teammates, you know he'll be gunning to get his first career sack Sunday afternoon in his hometown of Detroit.
What the farg? The coaches didn't even prepare Graham to play inside? Were they afraid he'd tell everyone on Twitter or something?
Infuriating.
He's a prototypical DE or 3-4 OLB, and instead they have him playing DT. BRILLIANT
i was wondering why more people didn't find this retarded.
the entire premise of playing DE at DT is just farging retarded.
Gold standard.
fastballs
Speedballs.
Deadballs.
would've been funnier if you said murderballs, but you didn't. i am not surprised.
Is anyone surprised?
This is a team that constantly drafts guys and then shoehorns them into different positions.
Graham DE nah play DT
Macho Harris CB nah play S just bullshteintin play CB oh wait we meant S ahahah you're cut!
Chris Gocong how about you play some Sam?!
I don't think there is any problem with him playing DT in the nickel. If they start doing it on run downs we should worry.
maybe wait more than one game into his career to see what happens
this is the same team that took on a one dimensional pass rusher (Kearse) and made him drop back into coverage all the time. nothing is surprising.
JokerzZz!
"@jraanan: Truly ridiculous stat from the opener: Rookie DE Brandon Graham spent 15 of his 21 second-quarter snaps as a DT. http://tinyurl.com/34sg6cp"
it really makes me furious
gold standard
im not saying brandon graham is a DT because he probably isnt but he also isnt some classic off the edge rusher with a huge burst like jevon kearse....graham is a compact stout short armed pass rusher that is going to have to use his hands to get his man...these are all attributes that lend to being good inside and i think the coaches are seeing if his skills translate in there to the point that he can cantribute...lord knows they need inside penetration because they get none from bunk and patterson
"Inside penetration" sounds really hot. Does that have to do with women in the locker room?
inside penetration is dangerously close to an anagram for ines sainz
Ass Zen, I In
Ha.
4 tackles
1 sack
Needless to say, I haven't seen all four games, but I have seen one and a half of them, and Graham isn't catching my eye. Am I blind? Do the stats lie, and he's getting some pressure? Is he producing very little because Reid insists on lining him up at DT?
He's been mediocre, but you can see the skill is there. Haven't seen him lined up at DT much if at all the past two games. Rookie DE's take time.
I think he is playing fairly solid, he put the pressure on McNabb yesterday that lead to the Allen int. Like SD said DEs take time.
I'm glad he did a nice job and all but BRANDON GRAHAM IS A PASS RUSHER AND SHOULD NOT BE COVERING TIGHT ENDS (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/105416008.html).
Ugh.
i read that yesterday and i dont get it....cause i watched gonzalez from my seat...which is a great one to see this kind of stuff...top of the stadium in the end zone...and i didnt see a single play where graham was on him...obviously i didnt watch him on every play but it was at least 90% of them
From my seat on the couch, I saw Graham drop into a shallow zone on at least one play. This leads me to believe you're not as good of a football analyst as you believe yourself to be.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 22, 2010, 01:26:19 PM
I saw Graham drop into a shallow zone on at least one play.
at least one?
thats crazy yo
and if you didnt see him do it on as many plays as you thought then he didnt do it at all
If he's doing that then the Eagles might as well go to the 3-4 d. Cole could do it, no?
Quote from: shorebird on October 23, 2010, 06:08:35 AM
If he's doing that then the Eagles might as well go to the 3-4 d. Cole could do it, no?
hes not "doing it"
thats the point
there are dozens of lineman who occasionally drop into coverage in the nfl....it doesnt mean brandon graham is all of a sudden a linebacker
Did not notice him today.
I didn't notice him most of the season, especially after the first Dallas game...the guy just vanished.
Anyway.
In 12+ games:
Three sacks. Two forced fumbles. Under 20 tackles no matter how you define them: The NFL credits him with 12, the Eagles with 19. The Eagles also report that one of his tackles was for a loss, and of all the times he didn't sack the quarterback, Graham did "hurry" him 14 times.
So there's that.
No doubt his stat line would benefit from coaches who just let the guy be what he is--an outside pass rusher--but I'm not about to blame his underwhelming debut season on coaching, nor on injury.
Bottom line, he didn't show much.
Pro Football Focus (whoever the hell they are) named Brandon Graham to their 2010 All Rookie Team (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/01/19/the-profootballfocus-com-all-rookie-team/)
QuoteDefensive End – Brandon Graham, Philadelphia Eagles
Quite clearly wasn't ready to start in Week 1, and he was far too one-dimensional a player to play the run. Graham did improve before his season ended, and maintained his pass rush throughout to finish the year as the most productive rookie pass rusher (37 total pressures).
must have been a lean year on de's.
It's a shallow "award." The all rookie team in the NFL is pretty much a joke outside of maybe 5 or 6 players. In any other league, you could assemble a highly competitive team out of the best rookies but if you tried that in the NFL they'd get smoke checked every time. Not to mention that I've never heard of PFF before which makes it even more humorous to me.
is that 64's blog ?
I doubt it.
Graham played a lot better than some of you are giving him credit for. He was very disruptive when he was actually playing the position the way it's supposed to be played.
When McDickhead had him covering receivers or playing nose tackle he looked like shtein, obviously, but otherwise he wasn't anywhere near a total washout.
someone said total washout ?
stop with the covering wr's crap...thats such a red herring...he was not required a single time all year to cover a wr...yes a handul of times he dropped into short zone coverage...to insinuate that having to do that a few times somehow delayed his ascension into being jevon kearse is ridiculous...i watched him on almost every snap this year and he was completely underwhelming
if you actually sat there and waited for brandon graham to play and then focused in solely on him, then i'm the king of siam.
and where did i insinuate anything of the kind kearse-wise? you're the hyperbole master around here, not me. all i said was when he wasn't doing stupid shtein thought up by the retard running the defense, he played well. empirically that is true, despite what you say.
Graham's problem is he relied on the speed rush and using his leverage in college, but just that doesn't work in the pro's. He used to start games by trying the speed rush, once that failed he tried overpowering the OT which he failed at miserably. He really needs to add some strength. People say 'size' but anyone can gain 20 lbs. Hopefully Washburn can teach him some new techniques.
Graham's problem is he should be playing OLB in a 3-4 alignment.
must get 3-4 alignment
Quote from: Rome on January 20, 2011, 05:40:11 PM
if you actually sat there and waited for brandon graham to play and then focused in solely on him, then i'm the king of siam.
and where did i insinuate anything of the kind kearse-wise? you're the hyperbole master around here, not me. all i said was when he wasn't doing stupid shtein thought up by the retard running the defense, he played well. empirically that is true, despite what you say.
waited for him to play?
when the defense comes out hes on the field...hes an end which is easy to watch and not miss the rest of the play....plus i watch most eagle games twice on dvr and concentrate on different players....graham is one i watched extensively just because he was their first rounder
well if you think he played well and you insinuated that he was held back by covering wr's then without that he elevates to very well or great...i just think thats a crock
id buy saying that his sack totals would have been higher if he didnt play as much dt early in the year because they did have him there...but the coverage shtein is dumb
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2011, 06:17:37 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 20, 2011, 05:25:24 PM
someone said total washout ?
I heard it too.
you didnt hear the because of injury part tho
when you blow out your knee theres always the chance that a player never becomes anything...add in the fact that graham didnt show much before getting hurt and theres your washout scenario
I think for a rookie DE he had a decent showing, there are very few rookies DEs that come in and dominate. What would help the Eagles and the DEs more than anything would be getting a DT that could rush the passer. For the last 3-4 years they are always putting ends inside to help rush the passer in nickel and dime situations.
He was a fine player who was contributing but not lighting the world on fire as a rookie.
Now he's a massive question mark because his knee is shredded. No one knows what he will be so it doens't make a lick of difference what he was.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 21, 2011, 08:22:24 AMHe was a fine player who was contributing but not lighting the world on fire as a rookie.
Now he's a massive question mark because his knee is shredded. No one knows what he will be so it doens't make a lick of difference what he was.
I agree. Next season he will either show improvement or start down the path of McDougledom. Until we see him back in action, we have no idea what he's going to bring to the table.
next year he will either not blow out his knee again play cautious and not show much or blow out his knee again and be done
i think we need to wait until 2012 to see any sort of real improvement from him
shtein ill be happy if he makes it thru the preseason without getting hurt again
chances that he'll ever be anything in the NFL are slim to none.
slim last seen packing his bags
Quote from: rjs246 on January 21, 2011, 08:22:24 AM
He was a fine player who was contributing but not lighting the world on fire as a rookie.
Now he's a massive question mark because his knee is shredded. No one knows what he will be so it doens't make a lick of difference what he was.
Very fair assessment, I personally don't see him being a big contributor next season.
Obviously you don't plan for him to be there.
If he makes it back then great. They still need a prime starter at DE regardless if he's there or not.
"a fine player who was contributing" is a charitable way to describe Graham's effort. More like a middling player who showed a few flashes of promise but was otherwise a non-factor.
Not a single defense gave him a second thought when game planning for the Eagles.
There were several times I saw him double teamed....so they had to at least acknowledge his presence.
if he was ever double teamed it was because they had extra protection on that side anticipating a blitz that didnt come
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2011, 09:04:26 AM
next year he will either not blow out his knee again play cautious and not show much or blow out his knee again and be done
i think we need to wait until 2012 to see any sort of real improvement from him
shtein ill be happy if he makes it thru the preseason without getting hurt again
He got hurt in Dec, right? To be honest, I'll be surprised if he's on the field in preseason. That's only 9 months after the injury. Maybe because he doesn't rely on being able to cut or stop and start again he can get back on the field a little faster than a RB, WR or DB would, but I doubt it. If he's not able to go full speed come training camp, either put him on the PUP which gives him an extra 6 weeks during the season to get ready or just throw him on the IR for the year and let him come back at 100% for 2012.
There is no if about it, I saw it several times. You could be right about anticipating the blitz or it could be just part of the play design. I have no idea what Brandon Graham is or will be. He showed some very promising flashes early in the season. But it was clear to see before his injury he was wearing down.
I think if you put him on the Jints dline he would have had similar, if not better numbers than JPP.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 20, 2011, 03:59:38 PM
Pro Football Focus (whoever the hell they are) named Brandon Graham to their 2010 All Rookie Team (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/01/19/the-profootballfocus-com-all-rookie-team/)
QuoteDefensive End – Brandon Graham, Philadelphia Eagles
Quite clearly wasn't ready to start in Week 1, and he was far too one-dimensional a player to play the run. Graham did improve before his season ended, and maintained his pass rush throughout to finish the year as the most productive rookie pass rusher (37 total pressures).
Interesting article in Philly.com regarding this. They actually give some decent data as to why they picked Graham and tell you why sacks don't always tell the whole story:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Grahams_production_as_a_rookie.html
so unlike some players who get a sack and then disappear for the rest of the game graham gets a hurry and disappears for the rest of the game?
i dont get why we need nerd websites and newspapers to tell us about an eagles player
we see them play every week...its not like we are trying to find info on seattles defensive tackles
and with graham even if you think he was good this year...his knee exploded...so who cares if he had 12 sacks in the first 12 games
If this motherfarger had put up 12 sacks in 12 games I'd feel a lot more hopeful about waiting so long to find out if his injury ruined him or not.
JPP had 6 tackles, 3 for a loss, 2 sacks, and a forced fumble yesterday against the Skins.
LOL @ this pick.
PP is a farging monster and it was so blatantly obvious at the draft yet these dopes once again went for the vanilla nice guy
youd think after hitting on pimp that their philosophy would change but nope more grahams and teo's and matthews
Worst draft pick ever?
Big difference between "PP" and Pimp is that Pimp actually accomplished somethings in college. PP was the classic boom or bust pick.
When the Eagles took a workout warrior, they ended up with Mamula. Atleast Graham has a high motor!
I think Graham is going to be good, actually. But I doubt he plays this year unless one of the four rotational DE's is injured before the bye.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 12, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Big difference between "PP" and Pimp is that Pimp actually accomplished somethings in college. PP was the classic boom or bust pick.
the point is that a chimpanzee could have seen that graham was vanilla as farg and PP on his worst day would be at least as good and his best day was light years above grahams capabilities...but instead of recognizing that or even worse maybe they did recognize it but still went for the high motor high GPA guy
Graham was one of the most accomplished players at his position coming out of college. The guy had a critical injury last year. Stop acting like he was a farging bust because of a lack of talent, already.
im was on PP over graham when you were sucking yo mamas teet...this has nothing to do with what they have done in the pros...fallback
Well, he's not an Eagle and likely never will be, so you have two choices. Cheer for the guy (Graham) who is an Eagle or switch your allegiance to the Giants. I'd be happy for you either way.
"eli is a fargin bitchmade bedwetter! Look at his face on the sidelines!" /giantfanigy
I like giantfanigy. He sounds like a reasonable guy.
eli is an abortion and still less sickening than the bedwetter
Homer.
Has there ever been a pic taken of Eli when his mouth wasn't open?
Mouthbreather!
What's with Florio saying that McDougle will return to the field after the bye...possibly as an LB?
Please tell me this is just muckraking, not an actual possibility.
To clarify: I'm already resigned to the fact he'll re-join the team. As a bench warmer, I hope. Not a linebacker.
Very fine line between the two on this team, though.
If they want to call him a linebacker, it's fine with me so long as he stays off the field.
Why, did you forget that he's black?
in related news jpp is second in the nfl in sacks
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 15, 2011, 09:52:37 AM
in related news jpp is second in the nfl in sacks
also related is that jpp is tied for second with Babin
Behind Babin, who you mocked when he was brought back. Or you mocked the FO. I forget which. Either way, you were wrong as usual.
babin is farging awful and one of the reasons their run defense is 30th in the nfl
After zesty LBs 1 thru 3, and out-of-his-depth DC, sure, Babin isn't much help against the run. I can forgive him that given that he's actually producing in the role for which he was hired..rushing the passer.
Haters gonna hate.
ill be the first to admit he has more sacks than i thought he would (unless he goes for like a two sacks the rest of the year)...but being paid to get to the qb does not come at the expense of being a negative in every other aspect of your game...im not looking for him to be jared allen but he gives away more than he takes...i can recall at least a half dozen 3rd down plays that he gave up first downs on because he ran straight up the field without a care in the world...and that doesnt even address running downs where hes completely worthless
hes not the sole reason by any means however i dont think its a coincidence that in the two years since hes become an every down pass rusher his teams have been 29th and 30th in rushing defense
Quote from: ice grillin you link=topic=20http://www.concretefield.info/forum/Themes/core/images/bbc/sub.gif860.msg852739#msg852739 date=1318692247i dont think its a coincidence that in the two years since hes become an every down pass rusher his teams have been 29th and 30th in rushing defense
lol, yeah. Jason f'n Babin ruined the '10 Titans run D, and now he's doing the same thing to the Eagles. Great logic.
Dude is not a problem. Sure, it would be nice if he played the run as well as Cole, but it would also be nice if every player who's doing alright did better.
I am much more concerned with the ten or twelve worthless players who contribute nothing.
Also, he's Republican and he's white. Since you are anti-whites and you hate republicans, maybe that explains your idiotic grudge against the guy?
Or maybe, just maybe, you're trolling for attention and argument...and I was dumb enough to oblige. I'm gonna go with that, and move on.
p.s. Brandon Graham sucks.
Yeah, of all the things wrong with this D, Babin is towards the bottom of the list. Put a few LB's on the field who can hit the gaps left vacant by the wide 9 and Babin isn't "exposed" nearly as much. He's a pass rusher, and a really good one at that....which is precisely what the Eagles brought him in for.
I saw Ryan Fitzpatrick run 7 yards through the middle of the line on a QB sneak. Let's worry about that before we worry about players running around Jason Babin.
im not worried about him just pointing out that hes a liability on the field and has been as bad or worse than any LB against the run and teams have schemed against him and his out of control up the field rush all year
not sure what i was thinking asking this board to actually look past numbers and at the game....wont happen again
Yeah but forget the numbers, you have to put into consideration that when Babin runs wide up the field thats what is being called by the Castillo. There are many plays he crosses inside with Jenkins and goes through the B gap for inside penetration.
I cant see how you can say Babin sucks and is the result of the run d being putrid. Has there been some runs to the outside with some large gains--sure...but over 3/4 of the large gains are up the gut where Babin isnt even part of the play and the LBs are clearly the issue. Babin has been selfishly quoted as saying he loves the wide 9-- because hes doing exactly what hes told to do and getting to the qb. The scheme is making him look like a top flight pass rusher.
he is selfish....watch him on running downs....downs he really shoudnt even be on the field for and he could care less about stopping the run....he often is running up the field even then and when he isnt he plays like he wants to be anywhere else in the world than taking on a OL to make a run stop....theres no way hes being told to do that
bottom line is blame whoever you want but the guy is super limited...hes not the only reason they suck but hes a big one....especially in the fourth quarters this year....he has been completely exposed....he also has zero 4th quarter sacks and only one in the second half this year...he doesnt derserve the most blame much less all of it...all im saying is the guy is not a good defensive end
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 15, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
I saw Ryan Fitzpatrick run 7 yards through the middle of the line on a QB sneak. Let's worry about that before we worry about players running around Jason Babin.
I thought it was 9 yds, but according to espn play by play, it was 10. Either way, Babin is not the issue.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=311009002&period=2
Quote3rd and 5 at BUF 25 R.Fitzpatrick up the middle to BUF 35 for 10 yards (N.Asomugha; J.Page).
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 15, 2011, 03:35:18 PM..hes not the only reason they suck but hes a big one....
Top Five
Babin
Jarrod Page
Casey Matthews
Nnamdi Asomugha
Brandon Graham
That's it. That's the list.
If JPP was here, he'd end up a Safety, get the farg over it
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 15, 2011, 07:10:29 PM
If JPP was here, he'd end up a Safety, get the farg over it
lol
He'd be the best one on the team.
Not that it matters much but he's inactive for the Dallas game
I surely does matter, and it's good news.
He's always inactive. The difference is that this week he will be inactive on the bench.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sportsweek/20111230_Hampered_by_injury__Brandon_Graham_eager_to_earn_praise__not_scorn.html?viewAll=y
Oh, boy...
I don't think the biggest mistake was not taking JPP but rather taking a defensive end when there were other players (Thomas, Pouncey, & Sean Weatherspoon among others) at other positions available that could have been huge difference makers.
What I'd really like out of Graham is two things:
1. Get to a point where you're a productive rotational defensive end.
2. Shut your goddamn piehole until you've accomplished that task.
That's it.
I still can't believe they passed on Earl Thomas.
Dopes.
Can we delete this thread already?
Can we delete the draft pick?
He was active today and still couldn't get on the field in a meaningless game
maybe he got shot in the stomach
Haha.
Quote from: Rome on January 01, 2012, 12:06:08 PM
I still can't believe they passed on Earl Thomas.
Dopes.
I still remember Mayock. He was utterly shocked.
when they traded up, feva called me and we were like two little girls all excited to hear earl thomas' name get called...when graham was announced, i think we simultaneously hung up on each other - no words spoken
Quote from: DH on January 03, 2012, 12:30:17 PM
when they traded up, feva called me and we were like two little girls all excited to hear earl thomas' name get called...when graham was announced, i think we simultaneously hung up on each other - no words spoken
This is especially telling, as Feva is a Michigan fan.
pierre paul had a ridiculous ceiling and clearly should have been the pick there...it was obvious then and even more so now
so you're agreeing with the FO taking a DE, they just took the wrong one?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2012, 07:52:52 PM
so you're agreeing with the FO taking a DE, they just took the wrong one?
correct
altho i would have been totally on board with thomas had they gone in that direction
I wish they'd pick D lineman like the Giants do. Scrap the small quick high motor guys and get tall athletic beasts who can disrupt plays.
DE was a secondary need IMO (pun intended)....as in I wasn't mad they drafted d-line, but would have preferred they went S
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2012, 06:57:57 PM
pierre paul had a ridiculous ceiling and clearly should have been the pick there...it was obvious then and even more so now
Nobody heard of him until the backflip video
flipflipflip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4-1e6Faglw)
Quote from: DH on January 03, 2012, 12:30:17 PM
when they traded up, feva called me and we were like two little girls all excited to hear earl thomas' name get called...when graham was announced, i think we simultaneously hung up on each other - no words spoken
Ha! No bullshtein... I thought of that call the second I heard Thomas got voted to the Pro Bowl.
Graham better put it together, and I mean ALL TOGETHER, this year.
From Spadaro...
QuoteWell, had the Eagles signed JP [Parker] he would have had a guaranteed year, too. Look, if Graham stinks in camp, he won't make the team. If he stinks, we are all going to be so tremendously disappointed. A lot is riding on the guy. The Eagles have a good group at DE. Could be a lot better than good if Graham plays as well as the Eagles think he can. We shall see.
Wow.
"we are all going to be tremendously disappointed"
lol
what a joke of a human being
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
Say hello to 2010 version of Jerome McDougle
Nominee for most accurate post to start out a thread in :CF history
Quote from: SD on March 21, 2012, 07:03:52 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
Say hello to 2010 version of Jerome McDougle
Nominee for most accurate post to start out a thread in :CF history
kinda scary when me and errand boy were all alone on an island together....i was absolutely raped by the board for like the first ten pages of this thread
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2012, 07:24:40 PM
Quote from: SD on March 21, 2012, 07:03:52 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
Say hello to 2010 version of Jerome McDougle
Nominee for most accurate post to start out a thread in :CF history
kinda scary when me and errand boy were all alone on an island together....i was absolutely raped by the board for like the first ten pages of this thread
Maybe you're thinking of somewhere else, because the first ten pages of this thread contain no IGY raping.
yeah it was probably closer to like the first 15
graham cracker gonna blow up this year watch
Quote from: reese125 on March 21, 2012, 08:45:52 PM
graham cracker gonna blow up this year watch
Knee? Achilles?
(http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu266/manmean99/bustmaster.jpg)
wow
I thought we locked this thread?
Quote from: SD on May 25, 2012, 09:33:52 PM
(http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu266/manmean99/bustmaster.jpg)
That my friends, is hilarious.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 29, 2010, 10:23:41 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/07/29/10/Eagles-Agree-to-Five-Year-Deal-With-Grah/landing.html?blockID=280058&feedID=704
Two more years of this crap? Luckily Banner was still there so we can probably cut him next year with minor cap consequence. JPP or Earl Thomas and we got McDougle
2.
I was looking at Howie Roseman's drafts this morning when I came across this note regarding what happened with the picks Howie traded away in order to move up for this loser.
QuoteThe team traded its first-round selection (24th overall, later traded to the Patriots and Cowboys; used to select Dez Bryant) and two third-round selections (70th overall, later traded to the Ravens; used to select Ed Dickson; and 87th overall; used to select Eric Decker) to the Broncos for its first-round selection (13th overall).
Is there anyone here who wouldn't gladly take any of those three players instead of Brandon farging McDougle?
Howie Roseman suck my meatdickle.
but at least they got their two starting safetys from that draft
Brandon McDougle. :-D :-D :-D
youre playing well brandon....you have even shedded the bust label...but settle down....
"That's the past to me. Congrats to [Earl Thomas]. I know I can be where he's at, or better."
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2014/12/17/7408247/eagles-sign-brandon-graham-contract-extension-report
farging bullshtein click bait link
link says eagles sign brandon graham....article title says eagles WANT to sign brandon graham
garbage websites
yeah bleeding green is horrendous
lol i didn't even notice that
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/12/17/graham-contract-talks/
He wants $7-8m and they offered $6m
Per year? No farging way. I'd go 3 years $10 million or tell him to take a hike. He's average and shows up up once out of the blue to make a play.
Yeah, 3/10 sounds about right, which won't get it done. No way I'm throwing stacks of money at a guy who has mostly sucked with a few flashes, then suddenly comes up with a career year in the last season of his contract. On the one hand Cole is winding down and may have already played his last snap as an Eagle so it would be good to have the continuity (if they still want Graham at LB). On the other hand they have a crap ton of guys to re-sign this year and next as well as hitting the FA market hard, especially for the secondary where they will need 2 solid starters and a high draft pick.
Only defensive players I'd throw a tantrum over departing are Cox, Kendricks, 50/50 on Barwin. Rest can farg off.
Jenkins, Cox & Kendricks.
Ryans too but he's probably cooked.
Last year Kendricks and Boykin were the big playmakers on D but both have fallen off in that category, especially Boykin. They'll be going into their last year, be interesting to see if they try to low ball Boykin after a subpar season and if he takes it.
that $7-$8mil is a typo, right ?
its not just on the field where you get hurt when you whiff on high draft picks....it reverberates farther down the line than that....there would be much less of a priority aka $$$ put on graham if farging marcus smith wasnt garbage
garbage might be too kind.
Can we ban the name Marcus Smith?
Work on the filter GF!
I might suggest Marcus Smith ---> Marcus McDougle.
Check out Graham's presser if you haven't seen it. He's probably the most excited guy on the team and maybe the most excited guy in Philadelphia.
No wonder they got him back so easily even though he doesn't fit the scheme. He completely drinks the Chip kool-aid smoothies.
He's a bust that's getting $6.5 mil a year. The only way he could be happier is if he was given a solid gold blowjob machine.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/8/5/12390546/brandon-graham-chip-kelly-travis-long-philadelphia-defensive-end-4-3-scheme-defense?utm_campaign=brandongowton&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
You've come a long way, McDougle.
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/778646482559860737
Kempski piece with several gifs showing how disruptive Graham was vs. the Steelers
http://www.phillyvoice.com/brandon-graham-game-review-gifs-and-stuff/
Put him in the right position and he's a productive guy. He's still no Earl Thomas, though.
I just like him as a member of this team too. He's a leader, he's smiling all the time, he's one of the best interviews on the team, and he bleeds green. Best first round bust ever. The Eagles gave him like 5 more chances than he deserved, and somehow it paid off.
You want at least Pro Bowl level play out of guys that get picked that high. The Eagles rarely get that. It took a while for Graham but it's a good story that he's finally busted thru. I'll be interested to see how he holds up all season long, though.
PS: He does have a motor. No one can question that part.
thanks 97.5
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/03/eagles-want-to-sign-brandon-graham-next-but-hes-resisting/amp/
im always on a players side in these things but hes going to be 31 by the time hes a free agent....hed be wise to lock up money now
if they dont sign him hes pretty much a guaranteed hold out next year
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 21, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
You've come a long way, McDougle.
Yeah this guy is alright.
I'm starting to get over the Earl Thomas thing.
He deserves a Bust now
had surgery
https://twitter.com/Tim_McManus/status/996528398259269632
who hasnt had surgery this offseason
https://twitter.com/jeffkerrcbs/status/1516522319723778060 21&t=S9HxPiO12OKIpllPoKoCxw
I can't believe Brandon Graham was drafted in 2010. Also I saw threads for about 100 players I barely remember on the team before I found this.
Kind of sad, I know we've all shown our love in other threads but damn, 4 years since we've posted in here. And I'm wasting my energy posting about losers like JJAW and Reagor.
https://youtu.be/8a0wegK2_aE
Nice feature.
I bought a 55 jersey bc he's a franchise legend and someone who you have to respect how he really turned his career around.
I always contemplate the next jersey or T-shirt jersey I'm going to get. Got a mixed bag - Carmichael, Montgomery, (both Mitchell & Ness and my babies) Randall, Fryar, Bed Wetter, Dawk Pro Bowl, Wentz (t-shirt jersey) Minshew t-shirt. BG is a great choice! I've thought about Kelce, but AJ is God. Also tempted to go Seth Joyner. I love him.
Malcolm Jenkins was my last jersey. Bought it at the stadium store the day before LII. That's it for me for buying jerseys.
My bro-in-law got me a Singapore knock-off Jerome Brown Kelly green for Xmas two years ago. Actually very nice.
Graham is the only current player jersey I own.
I have Graham and Mailata for current players.
A shtein ton of former players too
Guess the team has been touching base with all the old guys this week. Word is out that BG is coming back.
1 year deal done, retirement tour commences.
I'm good with it.
:yay Totally fine with this.
This needs to be memorialized
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1784010090917265583