So... Any defensemen going to be available that can actually skate?
Ahhhhhhh...you farger! I was just about to post this.
So I want Clarke gone, again. Actually, scratch that, let him be like Heckert and handle the college draft. He has no idea how to build a team to be competitive to todays style of play. He's been GM for what, 10 years and we've never had a championship caliber goalie (Sorry, Beezer and Hexy don't count)
I was going to post the link for Clarkemustgo but now it's a porn site, go figure.
Get Elias
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 02, 2006, 11:59:35 PM
Get Elias
Would love him but he's too expensive, plus I'd rather focus on the real weakness of this team which is Defense.
Hatcher, Rathje, Gauthier are already signed for a while, and Pitkanen is a restricted FA. That's 4 of the 7 right there. Johnsson and Desjardins are FAs, Therien is a FA and won't be back, and they have a couple of young guys in Meyer and Randy Jones. Nobody stepped up beyond the Gagne-Forsberg-Knuble line. Kapanen, Savage and Brashear are FAs and may not be back, so there's a spot available if they can work something out. Remember that no matter how the contract is built, it's spread evenly under the cap, so there's room to sign a FA or two if they want...
Hatcher won't be here next year.
A full yearfor Nitty, and wholesale changes on the defense should get them back in contention. Also, getting some sort of second scoring line wouldnt hurt. My brilliant analysis will be unmatched.
Quote from: MDS on May 03, 2006, 12:43:46 AM
A full yearfor Nitty, and wholesale changes on the defense should get them back in contention. Also, getting some sort of second scoring line wouldnt hurt. My brilliant analysis will be unmatched.
Unfortunately, wholesale changes on defense will be hard to come by this offseason. Meyer was their best defenseman in the playoffs. Hatcher and Rathje are too restricted with the new rules, and it is clear their style of play is not conducive with the direction the NHL is going in--I would try to move one of the two, even knowing how difficult it may be to get someone else to take their contracts. I don't mind Gauthier or Pitkanen, although I wouldn't have minded to see one of them step up in the playoffs. Desjardins and Therien obviously need to go and I would prefer not having Jones play next season for the Flyers.
Offensively, Nedved and Brashear should be gone (maybe Kapanen as well). I don't expect Savage to be back either, even though he was productive in the playoffs. Radio and Stevenson should be released and the focus this offseason should be adding team speed, though it seems that this request has been a constant recording of mine since Clarke has had control.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 03, 2006, 12:41:04 AM
Hatcher, Rathje, Gauthier are already signed for a while, and Pitkanen and Johnsson are restricted FAs. That's 5 of the 7 right there. Desjardins is a FA, Therien is a FA and won't be back, and they have a couple of young guys in Meyer and Randy Jones. Nobody stepped up beyond the Gagne-Forsberg-Knuble line. Kapanen, Nedved, Savage and Brashear are all FAs, so there's a spot available if they can work something out. Remember that no matter how the contract is built, it's spread evenly under the cap, so there's room to sign a FA or two if they want...
Then trade em. Don't get me wrong, I'd love Elias, I just don't see us getting him, especially with so many teams that could use a forward like him. My prediction is he stays with the Devils, especially after they win the cup this season.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 03, 2006, 01:07:20 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 03, 2006, 12:41:04 AM
Hatcher, Rathje, Gauthier are already signed for a while, and Pitkanen and Johnsson are restricted FAs. That's 5 of the 7 right there. Desjardins is a FA, Therien is a FA and won't be back, and they have a couple of young guys in Meyer and Randy Jones. Nobody stepped up beyond the Gagne-Forsberg-Knuble line. Kapanen, Nedved, Savage and Brashear are all FAs, so there's a spot available if they can work something out. Remember that no matter how the contract is built, it's spread evenly under the cap, so there's room to sign a FA or two if they want...
Then trade em. Don't get me wrong, I'd love Elias, I just don't see us getting him, especially with so many teams that could use a forward like him. My prediction is he stays with the Devils, especially after they win the cup this season.
Who is going to want Rathje for three more years at 3.5 million a season? He has a no trade clause as well.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 03, 2006, 01:19:27 AM
Who is going to want Rathje for three more years at 3.5 million a season? He has a no trade clause as well.
You just ruined my night, thanks. There's always the chance we pick up some of his contract, make him feel unwanted, and force him to wave his no trade claus (which I wasn't aware he had)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 03, 2006, 01:24:38 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 03, 2006, 01:19:27 AM
Who is going to want Rathje for three more years at 3.5 million a season? He has a no trade clause as well.
You just ruined my night, thanks. There's always the chance we pick up some of his contract, make him feel unwanted, and force him to wave his no trade claus (which I wasn't aware he had)
It's alright, the Flyers and studying for exams already did that for me. :-\
Supposedly, if we release him and he's signed with another team, I believe we only pay half of his deal (someone can check me on that). I agree though that going into the season with both Hatcher and Rathje is a losing proposition.
I don't mind keeping 1 big defenseman and if I had my choice that 1 guy would be Hatcher (I guess). Gauthier and Rathje need to go.
What are you studying? I'm working on a Psych paper and studying for my business final. Finals week sucks ass.
FWIW,
Glen Macnow said on the radio tonight that he believes that Esche will be traded because he is one of, if not the only commodity they have to really deal.
And I doubt they can trade Gauthier, Rathje or Hatcher. And Gauthier signed his deal right after Clarke traded for him. So I don't know if it has a not trade in it or what.
I also remember Glen saying around the time the regular season was ending that he heard from his people within the organization that Johnsson will not come back. He said that he doesn't want to come back here and that the team will not pay him what he wants.
gauthier is fine...he needs to stay...just because hes a monster hitter doesnt mean he cant skate...its hatcher and rathje that cant move...they both need to go...clarke set this team back a couple years with the awful signings of hatcher and rathje
the key to next season is not who they pick up but its what the guys they have do...carter and richards need to take huge steps forward offensively for this team to have any chance next year...and they need a goalie of course
unfortunately the defense really have no one in development who can come up and make a difference unless alexandre picard surprises...their system is pretty bare...jones cant play in the nhl
1. pitkanen
2. jonsson
3. hatcher
4. meyer
5. gauthier
6. ????
and there is no guarantee jonsson comes back
this team im sad to say is going to get worse before it gets better
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 03, 2006, 01:45:27 AM
I don't mind keeping 1 big defenseman and if I had my choice that 1 guy would be Hatcher (I guess). Gauthier and Rathje need to go.
What are you studying? I'm working on a Psych paper and studying for my business final. Finals week sucks ass.
We re-upped Gauthier before the playoffs as well, so assume he's back. I don't mind him as much as Hatcher or Rathje.
I'm trying to finish a paper today for Russian History, and studying for a random American Lit final that I have later in the day.
And Phreak, that doesn't really suprise me about Johnsson. I don't think Johnsson is a top tier defenseman, but I supposed he would want to be paid as one after the season ended. Not bringing him back gives them options to go after someone like Kubina, but they still need to address speed issues that Rathje and Hatcher create. They just aren't fast enough to skate with teams like Buffalo.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2006, 08:20:23 AM
gauthier is fine...he needs to stay...just because hes a monster hitter doesnt mean he cant skate...its hatcher and rathje that cant move...they both need to go...clarke set this team back a couple years with the awful signings of hatcher and rathje
The 3 of them are essentially the same type of player, pick 1, keep him, trade the other 2.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 03, 2006, 08:22:54 AM
We re-upped Gauthier before the playoffs as well, so assume he's back.
Trade
From OrangeandBlack.net. No links or anything, just an internet rumor at this point.....
Quote"I had a long conversation with a friend who works for the NHLPA up here in Toronto and he was privy to a conversation he wasn't suppossed to hear.
Apparently, Forsberg has told Bobby Clarke and Ed Snider that he will not play for Hitchock, moving forward. He has told them that if they keep Hitch, they either have to trade Forsberg or he will retire and go back to Sweden. It sounds like he has his own coaching candidates in mind, but this has caused quite a situation as Clarke and Snider are at their wit's end as to what to do.
And this is not just the frustration of these playoffs. Apparently Forsberg has met privately with Clarke and Snider several times over the course of the season. He has complained that Hitchock is too set in his ways and has not adapted well to the new NHL. In addition, Forsberg has been beside himself as to how Hitchcock treats younger players on the team. He feels (and apparently that there are others on the team) that the rookies development will only be hampered with Hitchcock behind the bench."
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I was just reading my original post and forgot another important "bone of contention" with the team. It sounds like a majority of the team were much more in favor of Nittymaki being the playoff goalie and even when team leaders approached Hitchcock to have a discussion about the situation, he wouldn't listen.
There was a shouting match earlier this year between Hitch and Forsberg that was reported, so maybe there's something to this. hmm...
Happy time in Voorhes!
they really should put this behind them and start focusing on the next playoff series. ::)
Forsberg has always played the role of the good solidier, I read a rumor a month or so ago that the locker room environment was on shakey ground. I'd hate for this to be true because:
A. There's not a better coaching candidate out there than Hitchcock. I can't think of anyone close
B. Losing Forsberg would suck even though he's only under contract for 1 more season.
I guess there's no chance the Thrashers release Hartley.
Forsberg is much more valuable to the team than is Hitchcock.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 03, 2006, 02:18:28 PM
Forsberg is much more valuable to the team than is Hitchcock.
He's only under contract for 1 more season, though.
How many seasons does it take to win a Stanley Cup?
hockey coaches are essentially worthless...its all about the players more than any other sport
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 03, 2006, 03:08:48 PM
How many seasons does it take to win a Stanley Cup?
More than 30, apparently.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2006, 03:23:57 PM
hockey coaches are essentially worthless...its all about the players more than any other sport
I disagree but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
If Forsberg thinks Hitch can't adjust to the new NHL, I'll take his word for it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 03, 2006, 03:33:47 PM
If Forsberg thinks Hitch can't adjust to the new NHL, I'll take his word for it.
Is it Hitch's fault that Clarke built a slow D and refuses to get a #1 goalie?
I heard Clarkie is not happy with Hitch and is looking at Pat Quinn to replace hitch.
Whatever. Pat Quinn's fine, too. The coach is not the problem, but if it keeps Forsberg happy, I don't care.
look at the bums that have won stanley cups
john toterella
bob hartley
larry robinson
marc crawford
terry crisp
then you have great teams that have won with different coaches
hell the devils won three cups with three different coaches...larry robinson was such a great coach he got fired for incompetency the year after he won the stanley cup...then was replaced by pat burns who did what?....yep won a cup
penguins two cups with two different coaches
colorado two cups two different coaches
calgary won a cup made another with two different coaches
edmonton five cups with two different coaches
what do the teams above have in common if not the same coach...how about great players
players are EVERYTHING in hockey
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2006, 03:58:42 PM
look at the bums that have won stanley cups
john toterella
bob hartley
larry robinson
marc crawford
terry crisp
then you have great teams that have won with different coaches
hell the devils won three cups with three different coaches...larry robinson was such a great coach he got fired for incompetency the year after he won the stanley cup...then was replaced by pat burns who did what?....yep won a cup
penguins two cups with two different coaches
colorado two cups two different coaches
calgary won a cup made another with two different coaches
edmonton five cups with two different coaches
what do the teams above have in common if not the same coach...how about great players
players are EVERYTHING in hockey
I'd hardly call any of those coaches bums, but there you go over-exaggerating to get your point across. Players are the ones ultimately responsible for their teams play in any sport, a coach cannot go onto the field and play, so players are EVERYTHING in EVERY sport, not just hockey.
so players are EVERYTHING in EVERY sport, not just hockey
disagree
game planning is ultra important in football...as is play calling and clock managment
in baseball it doesnt even need to be said how important a manager is
basketball is far below those two but still above hockey
hockey isnt even on the map
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 03, 2006, 03:48:12 PM
I heard Clarkie is not happy with Hitch and is looking at Pat Quinn to replace hitch.
There'd be no point to that. Quinn is even more of Clarke's style than Hitch is....
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2006, 04:17:26 PM
so players are EVERYTHING in EVERY sport, not just hockey
disagree
game planning is ultra important in football...as is play calling and clock managment
in baseball it doesnt even need to be said how important a manager is
basketball is far below those two but still above hockey
hockey isnt even on the map
It may be slightly less important but don't act like you can just put any boob behind the bench and be successful. The Cowboys were able to win 2 SBs with Johnson then turn around and win one with Switzer. What has Pat Riley done since leaving the Lakers? Your theory can work with any sport.
If you have to choose between Hitch and Forsberg, you choose Forsberg easily. Forsberg can and will be re-signed and we could always get Pat Quinn.
Quote from: Philly Forever on May 03, 2006, 04:39:08 PM
If you have to choose between Hitch and Forsberg, you choose Forsberg easily. Forsberg can and will be re-signed and we could always get Pat Quinn.
I don't want Pat Quinn, he's never won shtein. I'd rather take a chance on a young guy with a fresh philosophy than go with some recycled has been. I don't want to chose between Hitch and Forsberg, if this story is indeed true than they need to settle their differences for the better of the team.
i don't like hearing that Forsberg thinks Hitch is hurting the progress of the young guys
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 03, 2006, 04:52:15 PM
i don't like hearing that Forsberg thinks Hitch is hurting the progress of the young guys
We were all waiting with baited breath to see if you liked hearing it or not. Now, I'm sad.
is forsberg a whiney bitch like players from other teams are whiney bitches when they speak out?
i don't think so, because he didn't do it publicly.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 03, 2006, 05:00:53 PM
We were all waiting with baited breath to see if you liked hearing it or not.
what else is new?
Quote from: LeWingspan on May 03, 2006, 05:03:16 PM
is forsberg a whiney bitch like players from other teams are whiney bitches when they speak out?
Not in this case, because he might be right.
I watched his post game interview lastnight, he was very careful as to what he said to not put the blame on any one area. That's why I'm not entirely buying this rumor (yet).
you mean youre not buying a story from someone on orange and black who said he has a buddy who has a sister who has friend that is dating an nhlpa rep in toronto?
hitch also said he was most disappointed for "clarkie" after the game
snyder also said today that hitch is here to the end of contract (one more year) and maybe longer
wheres pg been? duckin the ol flyers threads again :-D
theres nothing more in life she hates than when igy is right
i dont think thats true, but if it is, my oh my do we have a case for someone to pass me for biggest loser on this board
i done passed you a looooong time ago son
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2006, 10:14:26 AM
do we have a case for someone to pass me for biggest loser on this board
No. Although the skins fans are in close competition with you. You'll have to stay on your game to stay on top.
speak english, jamal
Clarkie announced that Brashear and Savage will not be part of the organ-I-zation next season...maybe Nedved/Stevenson are next?
now we just need to fin someone who will take 4 of our slooooooooooow d-men (Hatch, Rath, Bundy, Rico).
Sielski wants Hitch's contract extended, says the young players need to deal with it (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-05042006-651321.html)
Quote"I like Hitch," Peter Forsberg said. "I have no problem with him."
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Looks like we can put that rumor to rest.
yea cause no ones ever lied before
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2006, 04:23:45 PM
yea cause no ones ever lied before
I believe a direct quote from a somewhat reputable journalists over some rumor cited by some random poster on OrangeandBlack.com
when exactly has a message board source been wrong sdeagle
Link (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14506046.htm)
Quote• Ken Hitchcock stays. Without committing to a promise that the Flyers would offer Hitchcock a contract extension, Clarke said, "We'll sit down with [Hitchcock]. It may not be for a while. We've got players to sign. He is under contract so it's not like it's urgent, but he'll be OK."
• Defense. The Flyers need more speed on defense. And here is where the most changes will have to be made. Of the top seven this season, four are under contract - Pitkanen, Rathje, Freddy Meyer and Derian Hatcher. Eric Desjardins, Kim Johnsson and Chris Therien are unrestricted free agents. Clarke said he will speak to Desjardins but is unsure about re-signing Johnsson, who missed the last quarter of the season and the playoffs with a concussion and was inconsistent even when he was healthy. Therien did not come up in yesterday's session but he is unlikely to be back.
Hatcher has 4 more years and Rathje has 3. Rathje is having surgery to repair a torn labrum in his hip that left him hobbled since January. Clarke indicated the Flyers were happy with Rathje and that he would stay.
Clarke was noncommittal about Hatcher and avoided bringing him up until he was asked directly. "He was pretty good in the playoffs, pretty good in the first half of the year, second half of the year, not very good," Clarke said. "We'll sit and talk with [Hatcher] and see. He can still play in the league. He's got to change his game, obviously. The game he was so good at has pretty much been taken out of hockey."
• Free agents. Of the Flyers' five unrestricted free agents, Donald Brashear and Brian Savage will not be back. There is a chance the Flyers will look to see what free agents are available before committing to the possibility of signing one.
• Keith Primeau. The injured captain was out nearly all season with persistent concussion symptoms. How long do the Flyers hold a spot for him - and for Johnsson, who also has serious concussion issues? Clarke indicated that the Flyers might not be able to wait until the beginning of next season. "The problem of course is if Keith Primeau isn't healthy and we don't find out till the start of the year, it doesn't go against you [on the salary cap], you've got the money," Clarke said. "But where are you going to get the players [to replace him]."
• Goalies. The Flyers have two goalies. Robert Esche is a No. 1 goalie and Antero Niittymaki should be. Niittymaki is a restricted free agent but he will be re-signed. The questions are: Can the Flyers keep both? And, is it a healthy situation considering one or both might be unhappy with next season?
Clarke said the Flyers likely will start the season with both Esche and Niittymaki but hinted they could make a move. "I don't think that we can expect both of them to be happy if nobody is No. 1," Clarke said. "They both want to be No. 1 goalies and I think they're both good enough to deserve to be. I don't think we'll address it this summer; we might, but it's not on our list right now."
These are the biggest issues facing the Flyers. They are out in the open and now Clarke has to deal with them. One overriding question is, given the restriction that a salary cap places on a team with so many signed players, can this be fixed this summer, or is it a 2-year project?
"I don't like 2-year projects," Clarke said. "If you're the guy in the locker room, how would you like to be sitting there knowing the team doesn't want to be good for 2 or 3 years?
"We'll be good next year. We've got good goaltending, we have lots of good players. We have to stay healthy, or at least healthier than this year. We're strong down the middle, we've got lots of centermen, that's a priority, and if we decide to move one, we'll do that.
"We have to make some adjustments this summer and we will."
I'm slightly encouraged by this. Especially since Clarke mentioned Hatcher as being a disappointment, which he clearly was.
Link (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14503815.htm)
QuoteFlyers general manager Bob Clarke would not say he miscalculated the direction of the "new" NHL, but he conceded yesterday that his team needs more quickness on defense.
"Yeah, I think we do," Clarke said at the team's practice facility in Voorhees. "Sure, because the defensive defenseman is becoming almost an obsolete player now... . He can't touch the forward who throws the puck in.
"If you are not quick on defense, you can't get back to get the puck. The forward throws it in... and you can't touch him. You have to rely on quickness and positioning more so now."
Clarke likely will look toward free agency to upgrade at the position. Ottawa's Wade Redden likely will be the best available player because the Senators also have to re-sign Zdeno Chara, who is expected to earn the maximum of $9 million under the collective-bargaining agreement.
Redden would be nice. And I'm so glad to see Clarke has finally come to the realization that defensive speed is as important as ever.
QuoteLoose pucks. With or without Primeau, look for the Flyers to try to sign another forward. Patrik Elias, Michael Peca, Michael Grier, Sergei Samsonov, Martin Straka, Joe Sakic, and Doug Weight could be available, though most of those players likely will re-sign with their current teams...
Sakic reunited with Forsberg??
Although, the Knuble-Forsberg-Gagne line is the only one that should be kept intact.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 05, 2006, 08:10:36 AM
Sakic reunited with Forsberg??
Although, the Knuble-Forsberg-Gagne line is the only one that should be kept intact.
Sakic's 36 but damn the guy is still so good. I wouldn't have a problem signing him to a 2-3 year deal. He's one of those guys like Yzerman who can still be good into his 40's.
Redden would be nice. And I'm so glad to see Clarke has finally come to the realization that defensive speed is as important as ever.
speed on offense is much more important....on defense you must be able to move the puck up to the forwards quickly but your skating speed doesnt necessarily have to be fast...tho you dont want redwoods like hatcher and rathje either
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2006, 08:33:33 AM
Redden would be nice. And I'm so glad to see Clarke has finally come to the realization that defensive speed is as important as ever.
speed on offense is much more important....on defense you must be able to move the puck up to the forwards quickly but your skating speed doesnt necessarily have to be fast...tho you dont want redwoods like hatcher and rathje either
I agree. I'd settle for defenseman with average speed and decent defensive/offensive skills over what we have now.
Esche and Nitty need hip surgery (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14521684.htm)
15 offseason surgeries, plus the lingering problems with Primeau and Johnsson. Yeah, injuries are never a factor....
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 07, 2006, 12:09:49 PM
15 offseason surgeries, plus the lingering problems with Primeau and Johnsson. Yeah, injuries are never a factor....
I'd have to guess that Primeau's done. If he's still having symptoms after this long, it can't be in his best interests to try to play next season.
Maybe the Flyers can offer a position (coach, whatever) to keep him in the organization.
That said, he's a hockey player, so he very well may try to play next year.
farg...i just saw that Forsberg is out until January with the surgeries he just had.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 10, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
farg...i just saw that Forsberg is out until January with the surgeries he just had.
Yep. Confirmation from Flyers.com (http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/pressbox/archive/2611.asp).
Damn that sucks, when it rains it pours.
Blessing in disguise. The Flyers will get the most and biggest free agents out there on the market, plus they will learn to play without Forsberg. Then when Forsberg comes back fresh you have an even better team.
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:49:04 PM
Blessing in disguise. The Flyers will get the most and biggest free agents out there on the market, plus they will learn to play without Forsberg. Then when Forsberg comes back fresh you have an even better team.
That's Clarke's MO, certainly.
Not with a salary cap, he can't...
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 10, 2006, 09:47:45 PM
Not with a salary cap, he can't...
I was talking about the "biggest" free agents... you know, size-wise...
Never mind.
Not with a salary cap, he can't...
sure he can...with forsbergs number off the books until at least january...plus some trades and other moves if he wants to it can easily be done....and probably will be...
that said in no way is this a blessing in disguise...forsberg is the only offense on the entire team...plus they are much farther away than a free agent or two...the team needs to be blown up and started over....if they dont draft at least four or five europeans in june then clarke needs to go on the spot
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:49:04 PM
Blessing in disguise. The Flyers will get the most and biggest free agents out there on the market, plus they will learn to play without Forsberg. Then when Forsberg comes back fresh you have an even better team.
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/06/21/22e_carell_narrowweb__200x246.jpg)
(minus the funny)
Handzus, Brashear, Radivojevic, Desjardins, Hatcher, Stevenson, Rathje, Esche, Nittymaki, Gauthier, Savage, Kapanen, Primeau, Forsberg, Gagne, and now Umberger.....holy fargin shtein!
I'm surprised Clarke+Hitchcock aren't on the list too, from hitting their heads on the wall.
...damn, I wish I was a Dr., I could retire after just this one Flyers season.
Niitymaki tore his groin the other day in the championships, by the way.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2006, 05:21:00 AM
Niitymaki tore his groin the other day in the championships, by the way.
It killed me to finally throw out the remainder of the playoff tix.
The Flyers better read the "new" NHL playbook before they start next season (ie: faster play, less muck-n-grind, no hooking/holding, better hockey instincts).
I predict that no more than 2 of the current roster will be on the next Stanley Cup won by the Flyers.
I'll even put the customary $10 on it.
mike richards will captain a flyer team to the cup one day...and pitkanen will be a norris trophy winning defenseman on that same squad
so all we have to do is find one more and you lose ten dollars (jeff carter?)
Nitty
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2006, 01:50:21 PM
so all we have to do is find one more
Therein lies the problem.
Gagne?
Derian Hatcher! :D
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 17, 2006, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2006, 01:50:21 PM
so all we have to do is find one more
Therein lies the problem.
Therien (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/players/1171/) lies the problem.
Gino Pissellini- Music nsfw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOvahP-FUrM&search=Gino%20Pisellini)
hextall leaving to be assitant gm of the kings
i read the other day that the Kings gave the Flyers a 2nd round pick as compensation to hire Lombardi as their GM
Also, Wayne Fleming is leaving, possibly to go coach in Europe. He will be replaced by Phantoms HC John Stevens...
Good. I didn't like that Fleming guy one bit.
QuoteCraig Berube Named Head Coach of the Phantoms
Former Flyer To Lead Flyers' American Hockey League affiliate
The Philadelphia Flyers announced that Craig Berube has been named head coach of the Flyers' American Hockey League affiliate, the Philadelphia Phantoms, according to club General Manager Bob Clarke. Berube, an assistant coach with the Phantoms, was promoted to replace John Stevens, who was named an assistant coach for the Flyers. Kjell Samuelsson will remain with the Phantoms as an assistant coach.
"We felt after internal discussions that at this stage Craig Berube was most ready to take over the club and replace John Stevens," said Clarke in making the announcement. "We think highly of Kjell Samuelsson and Berube. They were both strong candidates. It was just a decision that we had to make and we are comfortable with Craig. We think that he will do a terrific job for us."
"Obviously, I am very excited," said Berube. "I'm very happy that Bob Clarke and Paul Holmgren believe in me and have faith in me. I am looking forward to doing a great job for them. The last couple of years I have had experience working under John Stevens and I learned a lot through him. We won a championship last season (2005). I learned a lot from that, plus with 17 years of playing in the NHL, I bring a lot of experience. Different things go on throughout the year and I feel that I can help young players deal with them and then send them on their way (to the NHL)."
Berube, 40, was an assistant coach for the Phantoms for parts of the last three seasons (2003-04 through 2005-06). He joined the Phantoms organization after signing as a free agent on November 18, 2003, and was named a player/assistant coach on January 29, 2004. He recorded six assists and 134 penalty minutes in 33 regular season games for the Phantoms during the 2003-04 season, his 18th and final professional season.
Over parts of 17 NHL seasons (1986-87 through 2002-03), Berube registered 61 goals and 98 assists for 159 points and 3,149 penalty minutes in 1,054 career regular season games for the Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Washington Capitals and New York Islanders. His 3,149 career penalty minutes ranks seventh on the NHL's All-Time List.
In parts of seven seasons with the Flyers (1986-87 through 1990-91 and 1998-99 & 1999-2000), Berube recorded 20 goals and 34 assists for 54 points and 1,138 penalty minutes in 323 regular season games. His 1,138 penalty minutes ranks ninth on the Flyers' All-Time List. He was originally signed as a free agent by the Flyers on March 19, 1986.
Chief as the Head Coach, I like it. :yay
ill never forget chiefs second game in the nhl where he fought bob probert and joey kocur in the same game....breaking proberts nose
remember it like it was yesterday
Nice to see the Flyers organization still thinks they can be the Broad Street bullies and actually win.
They're wrong, but it's nice.
Hitchcock will be in studio on DNL from 6:00-6:30
Flyers signed Marty Murray to a 1-yr deal as he returns from Germany....
May as well cancel the 06-07 season, the Flyers already have this wrapped up with the Murray signing.
(http://www.roadtolordstanley.com/images/Stanley_Cup.jpg)
Marty Murray is better than Terry Murray.
moved up...Hitch is on now
Just an update to Comcast withholding Philly Sportsnet. Our great government at work obviously paid off by comcast keeps the loophole that allows comcast to be exclusive in the philadelphia area...
QuoteLoophole Provision Out of Senate Bill
In a blow to cable's competitors such as satellite TV, the latest draft of telecom reform legislation from the Senate Commerce Committee doesn't address cable's use of the terrestrial loophole to keep programming away from other pay-TV platforms, stated news reports.
The previous draft of legislation had attempted to close the terrestrial loophole, which allows a cable operator to keep away programming that's not satellite-delivered and instead sent to a cable headend via terrestrial means. Cable interests, including Kyle McSlarrow of the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, lobbied against the provision.
Satellite TV has sought to eliminate the terrestrial loophole for years. It's used by Comcast to keep its terrestrially-delivered regional sports network in Philadelphia away from the competition, thus making the channel a cable exclusive.
damnit.
dammit indeed
at least yous still have the option of getting csn philly on cable...this really sucks for people that dont live in the errea and cant get it at all
nhl draft this saturday (6pm)
flyer picks
1 (22) FLYERS
2 (39) FLYERS
2 (42) PHOENIX (Acquired from Phoenix, along with Columbus' fourth round pick in the 2005 NHL Entry Draft in exchange for Anaheim's second round pick in the 2005 NHL Entry Draft on July 30, 2005)
2 (55) LOS ANGELES (Compensation for Dean Lombardi)
3 (66) CHICAGO (Acquired from Chicago, along with Matt Ellison, in exchange for Patrick Sharp and Eric Meloche on December 5, 2005)
4 (101 or 115) FLYERS or PHOENIX*
5 (145) FLYERS
6 (175) FLYERS
7 205) FLYERS
* = When Flyers acquired center Petr Nedved from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for defenseman Dennis Seidenberg on January 20, 2006, they also acquired the option of exchanging their fourth round pick in the 2006 NHL Entry Draft for Phoenix's fourth round pick in the 2006 NHL Entry Draft and their third round pick in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft for Phoenix's third round pick in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft.
Anyone know when the schedule comes out? My wife and I, who were going to New Orleans in October have changed our plans and are coming to Philly Nov 9-15. Last time we were in Philly, Nov 2002, we went to see the Flyers and Bruins on Saturday night, the Eagles and Cards on Sunday, and the Sixers and Wizards on Sunday night. My wife is a big hockey fan though.
Saw on CSN that Hitchcock shaved off his moustache
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 21, 2006, 12:57:09 PM
Saw on CSN that Hitchcock shaved off his moustache
The fruits here in Carolina are celebrating a championship, and we're discussing the facial hair of our coach.
I heart being a Philly fan.
nhl schedule is released on or around july 15th every year
and training camp starts soon after that
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 21, 2006, 01:02:26 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 21, 2006, 12:57:09 PM
Saw on CSN that Hitchcock shaved off his moustache
The fruits here in Carolina are celebrating a championship, and we're discussing the facial hair of our coach.
I heart being a Philly fan.
Not much else to discuss with the Flyers right now. Unless you want to discuss the Anaheim Ducks now using black and orange too...
in the same vein as Bobby Abreu winning a Gold Glove, Bob Clarke is going to be awarded the NHL Executive of the Year award.
wtf.
Draft is saturday, Rumors are Esche is going to be moved by the end of the draft. Richards will be part of the leadership group next year, getting the A im guessing.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 21, 2006, 02:31:11 PM
Bob Clarke is going to be awarded the NHL Executive of the Year award.
What about Edmonton's GM for bringing in Roloson? What about... ANYONE WHO MADE IT PAST THE FIRST ROUND?!?
The flyers website says Steve Downie is coming to town to prepare for the preseason. He's getting a shot to step up to the big team, and i dont think he's a worse option than Savage.
With Luongo dealt already and Giguere and Nabokov also rumored to be on the market, Esche may not be going anywhere...
Wayne Fish (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/101-06242006-675021.html)
QuoteClarke left open the possibility of trading one of the second-rounders, possibly for another next year.
"It all depends on who we've been able to get,'' Clarke said. "We don't have any intent of going away with less draft picks than we've come here with.''
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"I've always thought that quickness was more important than speed,'' Clarke explained. "And now that they can't hold you up down low, that's where the little guy is so dangerous. In the past, they just got pushed away. It's the quickness in the player now.''
As for size, the Flyers have always been one of the league's biggest, most physical teams. That might be changing too.
"You always felt that with the way the game was played, you had to have some weight and you had to have some size to battle through the checking the way it was in there,'' Clarke said. "Now a 5-10 guy with talent can be just as good as a six-foot player.
"You still have to have some big defensemen and big wingers but there's certainly room for the small guy. So when you're looking at your first pick, you're including smaller guys now.''
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Clarke acknowledged that the Flyers have been discussing a more attack-oriented approach for the 2006-07 season. Especially after the success risk-taking Carolina had in winning the Stanley Cup.
"You have to send in your defensemen,'' he said. "If you only send in three forwards, you're battling five defensive players. You have to take that gamble down low sometime.''
Clarke has discussed this at length with coach Ken Hitchcock.
"That's the intent we're going to start with ... get on that puck. You might give up more scoring chances but if you don't take that (risk), you're probably not going to win.''
The article also says that
Johnsson won't be re-signed, and Desjardins is leaning towards retirement...
Flyers first rounder:
QuoteClaude Giroux RW Gatineau 1 22(22) Philadelphia 5' 10" 169 lbs. Right
I guess they decided to try to get quicker instead of bigger?
Clarkie was drunk. Not only did he forget the name of Giroux when he went to the podium, but none of the picks are over 6'1", and he took 2 Russians...
SI.com draft analysis (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/allan_muir/06/25/east.grades/index.html)
QuotePhiladelphia Flyers
GM Bobby Clarke may have forgotten his name on the podium, but Claude Giroux (22nd) could become a great value pick. His size (5-10, 169) is a concern, but the kid can flat out score. He could become one of those guys like Joe Sakic that you can't believe fell so far in the draft. Andreas Nodl (39th) is several years away, but the kid can put the puck in the net. In grabbing Michael Ratchuk (42nd) and Denis Bodrov (55th), Clarke addressed the defensive void in the system and continued his trend of getting good value prospects for the position.
Grade: A
SI says the draft is worth an "A"? Damn. That means it sucked.
Si who's so in depth with the NHL... We wont see anything from this draft for at least 2 years anyway. The good thing about Giroux is he was considerd the best penalty killer in the draft.
I guess they decided to try to get quicker instead of bigger?
except hes not quick...nor a very good skater
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2006, 05:08:01 PM
I guess they decided to try to get quicker instead of bigger?
except hes not quick...nor a very good skater
Im not gonna pretend to even know the guy but from what i've read, im happy w/speed/skill/skating abilities, he just needs to put on at least 20 pounds.
QuoteCentral Scouting Report: Is a good skater with solid playmaking ability who reads the play and is able to move he puck through traffic with pin-point passing ...has very good hands, handles the puck well in a crowd ...is elusive, creative and patient ... hangs on to the puck creating opportunities ... is quick to jump into openings and carries the puck with confidence ... a clever playmaker who excels killing penalties – he gets many scoring chances ... has very good hockey sense with a quick and accurate wrist shot ... is not considered a physical player but is not afraid of getting involved competing at home and on the road ... is used in all game situations, plays a steady two way game ... does not hesitate to be first on the puck and will take a hit to make a play ... has a way of angling himself along the boards, which allows him to come out with the puck most of the time ... was a walk-on at training camp and signed as a free agent ... was selected to play in the 2006 CHL Top Prospects Game in Ottawa.
well its not like ive seen him play...but all the pre draft write ups of him and mckenzies report on him is that his skating is not his strong suit....im not saying its a bad pick...im just saying hes not a new nhl'er like a lot of people are saying
doesnt mean he cant be a great player but when youre compared to doug gilmour and to a lesser extent scott gomez skating is not going to be the first thing that comes to mind
today is the last day to buy-out any of your players. i was hoping the Flyers would buy at least buy-out Hatcher or Rathje, but that doesn't appear to be so.
They should buy out that Gagne guy. Dead weight.
Branko wont be offered a contract, supposedly the flyers are Targeting Ruslan Salei, Jay Mckee, Langenbrunner, and Mike Grier (for quota purposes).
Flyers signed defensemen Nolan Baumgartner (2 yr deal) and Lars Jonsson (http://hockeysfuture.com/prospect/lars_jonsson) (1 yr deal), the 7th overall pick in 2000 that never signed with Boston, compared to Ozolinsh...
ACTION!
When are we gonna sign Elias?
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 01, 2006, 08:37:46 PM
When are we gonna sign Elias?
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Kim Johnsson is gone. Minnesota signed him for 4 yrs, $19.4M
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 01, 2006, 11:08:51 PM
Kim Johnsson is gone. Minnesota signed him for 4 yrs, $19.4M
So much for fiscal sanity in the NHL.
Good, now they can be frusturated every time he gets injured in a playoff series.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 01, 2006, 08:37:46 PM
When are we gonna sign Elias?
too late
Devils re-sign Elias to seven-year, $42 million deal
Good he sucks anyway, and wouldn't make the Flyers roster.
I should add that I like the Baumgartner signing. He will be a solid replacement for Johnsson. He's the same age, less injury-prone (obviously), and he's coming off his best pro season by far.
I really like the Jonsson from whats on hockeydatabase.com Seems like a good skater/great shot and his only downfall is he gets too aggressive in the offensive zone.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 03, 2006, 07:56:19 AM
I really like the Jonsson from whats on hockeydatabase.com Seems like a good skater/great shot and his only downfall is he gets too aggressive in the offensive zone.
Old Hitchcock will end that quickly.
Flyers signed Randy Robitaille from Minnesota. The Cup is ours.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 04, 2006, 06:23:10 PM
Flyers signed Randy Robitaille from Minnesota. The Cup is ours.
Good to see Clarkie sign talent to go along with Marty Murray. :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 04, 2006, 06:23:10 PM
Flyers signed Randy Robitaille from Minnesota. The Cup is ours.
Great signing. The Flyers didn't need much upgrades going into the offseason, but Clarkie is putting quality talent on the team without breaking the bank.
Love it.
Your so right Bunkley...Robitaille is the last piece to putting a team together like the Saburs or Carolina.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 05, 2006, 12:39:05 AM
Great signing. The Flyers didn't need much upgrades going into the offseason, but Clarkie is putting quality talent on the team without breaking the bank.
Love it.
you're being facetious, right?
QuoteGagne rejects Flyers' offer
TheFourthPeriod.com
The Flyers appear to be a little farther away from signing restricted free agent Simon Gagne than they had hoped, reports the Trenton Times.
According to the paper, Bob Sauve, Gagne's agent, has rejected the Flyers' four-year contract offer.
"Where we're standing with the offer is nowhere," Sauve told the Times. "It's going to take a lot more than where we're at right now."
Gagne, who made $2 million last season, registered 47 goals and 32 assists for 79 points in 72 games with the Flyers.
TFP has learned that the native of Ste-Foy, Quebec is apparently looking for a contract around the $4.5 million range, annually, on a new long-term agreement.
The Flyers aren't offering him something in the $4.5m/year range already? Morons.
Supposedly they came to the table with 4mill...They have plenty of time to get a deal done, they just better not insult him.
Unless a team offers 7/$42M and wants to give up four #1 picks, Gagne isn't going anywhere....
maybe the Flyers don't want to spend that type of money on a player who is average unless he has a world class center playing with him?
Gagne was good the first time Forsberg went out, they he got hurt (groin, wrist) and never became the player he was earlier inthe year
Go Flyers.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 05, 2006, 10:29:48 AM
Gagne was good the first time Forsberg went out, they he got hurt (groin, wrist) and never became the player he was earlier inthe year
ha!
I should add that I like the Baumgartner signing. He will be a solid replacement for Johnsson. He's the same age, less injury-prone (obviously), and he's coming off his best pro season by far.
hes also basically a minor leaguer...think seidenberg
I hope the Flyers get Carter.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 05, 2006, 07:19:20 PM
hes also basically a minor leaguer...think seidenberg
He's better than that because of how hard-up the Flyers are for a defenseman that can skate at all.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 05, 2006, 08:11:21 PM
I hope the Flyers get Carter.
They have him, Jeff Carter. Anson wont be here ever. But Clarkie did sign Cullen, not Matt Cullen but career minor leaguer Mark Cullen.
Anson could easily be here. Clarkie has interest and he hasn't been signed yet. Clarkie is known for making big name signings, and hasn't this year yet, so one should be on the horizon.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 05, 2006, 10:06:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 05, 2006, 07:19:20 PM
hes also basically a minor leaguer...think seidenberg
He's better than that because of how hard-up the Flyers are for a defenseman that can skate at all.
He had a break out year with Buffalo but he really doesn't look like all that much past last year. Crack Head Bob Clarke is at it again...
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 06, 2006, 12:44:35 AM
Anson could easily be here. Clarkie has interest and he hasn't been signed yet. Clarkie is known for making big name signings, and hasn't this year yet, so one should be on the horizon.
Have you heard of the friggin Cap. The Flyers had only 6 mill to get FA's and resign their own. I would rather re-up they're own players. Trade Esche to a team like St Louis for prospects and picks, somehow find someone to take Hatcher or Rathje off the books even if you eat the bullet this year. They need to find the money to get Forsberg resigned.
Hatcher rules. As does O'Doyle.
Umberger signed a 2-yr deal
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 06, 2006, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 06, 2006, 12:44:35 AM
Anson could easily be here. Clarkie has interest and he hasn't been signed yet. Clarkie is known for making big name signings, and hasn't this year yet, so one should be on the horizon.
Have you heard of the friggin Cap. The Flyers had only 6 mill to get FA's and resign their own. I would rather re-up they're own players. Trade Esche to a team like St Louis for prospects and picks, somehow find someone to take Hatcher or Rathje off the books even if you eat the bullet this year. They need to find the money to get Forsberg resigned.
If the Devils can do it so can we.
the devils have 7 mill wrapped up in 2 players playing in russia. Plus your right i trust Sweet Lou much more than Bobby.
another Flyer leaves for Minnesota, Branko Radivojevic. Kim Johnsson signed there earlier this week.
I will definitely need to buy a program to know who is on the team this upcoming season.
37 year old Brendan Shanahan signed a one-year deal worth $4 million with the New York Rangers.
Breaking: Forsberg could be ready for start of season
By ED MORAN
Daily News Sports Writer
Flyers center Peter Forsberg is expected to announce today that he will not need surgery on his left ankle and could be ready for the start of the season, the Daily News has learned.
The Flyers have scheduled a conference call with Forsberg and trainer Jim McCrossin for later this afternoon.
Forsberg announced shortly after the season that he was going to need surgery to correct a worsening condition in both feet that is causing them to be unstable in his skate and also resulting in ligament damage in his ankles. He was expected to be out until January.
He underwent surgery on the right ankle May 15 and subsequently began rehab.
Forsberg met today with Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C., and it was determined that the damage to the left ankle was minimal and would not need to be corrected.
The Flyers' top player missed 20 games last season due to groin injuries believed to be related to the condition in his feet.
That would be great news for the Flyers- at least until the next groin strain.
i think they're saying that fixing this problem will eliminate his groin problems
or until december when they realize he really cant play and did need a second ankle surgery and is out for the remainder of his contract
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 11, 2006, 03:57:52 PM
or until december when they realize he really cant play and did need a second ankle surgery and is out for the remainder of his contract
That was my first thought when I read the story.
Quit screwing around and get it done already.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 11, 2006, 03:57:31 PM
i think they're saying that fixing this problem will eliminate his groin problems
doesn't anyone here know surgical connections??? the ankle bone is connected to the groin bone, the groin bone is connected to the brain bone......Now I know why my penis does my thinking. :o
A sub-plot from ESPN's Forsberg article:
QuoteMcCrossin also said Flyers captain Keith Primeau, who missed nearly all of last season because of lingering symptoms from a concussion, had symptoms reappear, possibly because of a virus.
The trainer said Primeau had been working out regularly before complaining of pressure inside his head.
I wish he'd just retire.
On another board, one of the reliable posters says the Flyers are offering a Scouts postion to Primeau as an opening to his eventual coaching career.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 12, 2006, 07:40:05 AM
A sub-plot from ESPN's Forsberg article:
QuoteMcCrossin also said Flyers captain Keith Primeau, who missed nearly all of last season because of lingering symptoms from a concussion, had symptoms reappear, possibly because of a virus.
The trainer said Primeau had been working out regularly before complaining of pressure inside his head.
I wish he'd just retire.
i wish he would've done it before the offseason started so they could've actually signed somebody
It will free up roughly 3.4 mil this year, which would give them more leverage w/Gagne and Joni. Plus in resigning Foppa next year.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 12, 2006, 08:32:32 AM
It will would free up roughly 3.4 mil this year, which would give them more leverage w/Gagne and Joni. Plus in resigning Foppa next year.
Yes, if he'd just do it already.
forsberg was on wip a while ago
--says he loved playing in philly but wouldnt say he wanted to or will resign after this year
--that its a better sports and hockey town than denver
--fans are passionate and that puts a lot of extra presure on you but he loves it
--if they get booed its because they deserve it
--flyers fans are the most knowledgeable hes ever come across
--he will still miss the start of the year but "5-10 games is better than 35-40"
QuoteOCT
DATE H/A OPPONENT SCORE TIME
Oct 5, 2006 AWAY Penguins 7:30 PM ET
Oct 7, 2006 HOME Rangers 7:00 PM ET
Oct 10, 2006 AWAY Rangers 7:00 PM ET
Oct 11, 2006 HOME Canadiens 7:00 PM ET
Oct 14, 2006 AWAY Devils 7:30 PM ET
Oct 17, 2006 AWAY Sabres 7:00 PM ET
Oct 19, 2006 AWAY Lightning 7:30 PM ET
Oct 20, 2006 AWAY Panthers 7:30 PM ET
Oct 26, 2006 HOME Thrashers 7:00 PM ET
Oct 28, 2006 HOME Penguins 7:00 PM ET
Oct 30, 2006 HOME Blackhawks 7:00 PM ET
NOV
DATE H/A OPPONENT SCORE TIME
Nov 2, 2006 HOME Lightning 7:00 PM ET
Nov 4, 2006 HOME Capitals 7:00 PM ET
Nov 6, 2006 AWAY Maple Leafs 7:30 PM ET
Nov 9, 2006 HOME Islanders 7:00 PM ET
Nov 11, 2006 HOME Sabres 7:00 PM ET
Nov 13, 2006 AWAY Penguins 7:30 PM ET
Nov 15, 2006 AWAY Ducks 10:00 PM ET
Nov 16, 2006 AWAY Kings 10:30 PM ET
Nov 18, 2006 AWAY Sharks 10:30 PM ET
Nov 20, 2006 HOME Penguins 7:00 PM ET
Nov 22, 2006 HOME Senators 7:00 PM ET
Nov 24, 2006 HOME Blue Jackets 1:00 PM ET
Nov 25, 2006 AWAY Canadiens 7:00 PM ET
Nov 29, 2006 HOME Predators 7:00 PM ET
DEC
DATE H/A OPPONENT SCORE TIME
Dec 2, 2006 HOME Devils 7:30 PM ET
Dec 8, 2006 AWAY Devils 7:30 PM ET
Dec 9, 2006 HOME Capitals 7:00 PM ET
Dec 12, 2006 HOME Rangers 7:00 PM ET
Dec 13, 2006 AWAY Penguins 7:30 PM ET
Dec 16, 2006 AWAY Capitals 7:00 PM ET
Dec 19, 2006 HOME Hurricanes 7:00 PM ET
Dec 21, 2006 AWAY Canadiens 7:30 PM ET
Dec 23, 2006 HOME Senators 1:00 PM ET
Dec 27, 2006 AWAY Panthers 7:30 PM ET
Dec 28, 2006 AWAY Lightning 7:30 PM ET
JAN
DATE H/A OPPONENT SCORE TIME
Jan 2, 2007 AWAY Islanders 7:30 PM ET
Jan 4, 2007 AWAY Rangers 7:00 PM ET
Jan 6, 2007 AWAY Bruins 1:00 PM ET
Jan 7, 2007 AWAY Senators 2:00 PM ET
Jan 9, 2007 AWAY Capitals 7:00 PM ET
Jan 11, 2007 HOME Canadiens 7:00 PM ET
Jan 13, 2007 HOME Penguins 2:00 PM ET
Jan 18, 2007 HOME Islanders 7:00 PM ET
Jan 20, 2007 AWAY Devils 1:00 PM ET
Jan 27, 2007 HOME Rangers 1:00 PM ET
Jan 28, 2007 AWAY Thrashers 3:30 PM ET
Jan 30, 2007 HOME Lightning 7:00 PM ET
FEB
DATE H/A OPPONENT SCORE TIME
Feb 1, 2007 HOME Devils 7:00 PM ET
Feb 3, 2007 AWAY Thrashers 7:00 PM ET
Feb 7, 2007 AWAY Islanders 7:30 PM ET
Feb 8, 2007 HOME Penguins 7:00 PM ET
Feb 10, 2007 HOME Blues 7:00 PM ET
Feb 12, 2007 HOME Red Wings 7:00 PM ET
Feb 15, 2007 HOME Maple Leafs 7:00 PM ET
Feb 17, 2007 AWAY Rangers 1:00 PM ET
Feb 19, 2007 HOME Bruins 7:00 PM ET
Feb 20, 2007 AWAY Sabres 7:00 PM ET
Feb 22, 2007 AWAY Hurricanes 7:00 PM ET
Feb 24, 2007 HOME Maple Leafs 7:00 PM ET
Feb 27, 2007 AWAY Islanders 7:30 PM ET
MAR
DATE H/A OPPONENT SCORE TIME
Mar 1, 2007 AWAY Bruins 7:00 PM ET
Mar 4, 2007 AWAY Penguins 12:30 PM ET
Mar 6, 2007 HOME Devils 7:00 PM ET
Mar 8, 2007 HOME Panthers 7:00 PM ET
Mar 10, 2007 HOME Bruins 1:00 PM ET
Mar 12, 2007 AWAY Coyotes 10:00 PM ET
Mar 13, 2007 AWAY Stars 8:00 PM ET
Mar 15, 2007 HOME Thrashers 7:00 PM ET
Mar 17, 2007 AWAY Senators 7:00 PM ET
Mar 20, 2007 HOME Panthers 7:00 PM ET
Mar 21, 2007 AWAY Rangers 7:00 PM ET
Mar 24, 2007 HOME Islanders 1:00 PM ET
Mar 28, 2007 HOME Hurricanes 7:00 PM ET
Mar 30, 2007 AWAY Devils 7:30 PM ET
APR
DATE H/A OPPONENT SCORE TIME
Apr 3, 2007 AWAY Maple Leafs 7:30 PM ET
Apr 5, 2007 HOME Devils 7:00 PM ET
Apr 7, 2007 HOME Islanders 1:00 PM ET
Apr 8, 2007 HOME Sabres 1:00 PM ET
So the Western Conference games went from visiting the Central 5 and hosting the Northwest 5 this past season to hosting the Central 5 and visiting the Pacific 5 this year. That means the 07-08 schedule will have the Flyers hosting the Pacific 5 and visiting the Northwest 5. It also means that we don't have to play Colorado, Minnesota, Edmonton, Calgary or Vancouver this year, which is a nice break. Also notice that they still go away during the holiday week and early part of January. Was this the last year of that Disney on Ice deal?
Wayne Flemming was hired as an assistant in Calgary. I thought he quit the Flyers so he could go coach in Europe?
Joni re-signed to a one year deal
PHILADELPHIA -- The Philadelphia Flyers on Friday re-signed defenseman Joni Pitkanen to a one-year contract. Financial terms were not disclosed.
Pitkanen, whom Philadelphia picked fourth overall in the 2002 NHL draft, won the Barry Ashbee Trophy as the Flyers' most outstanding defenseman last season and the Pelle Lindbergh Memorial Trophy as the team's most improved player.
The 22-year-old Finn collected 13 goals, 33 assists and 78 penalty minutes in 58 games with the Flyers last season. Pitkanen established new career highs in goals, assists and points (46) while leading the team in ice time at 23:42.
"Joni Pitkanen is a player who made great strides in his development last season and we feel can one day be one of the top defensemen in the league," Flyers general manager Bob Clarke said. "His importance to the team is along the same lines as Jeff Carter, Mike Richards and R.J. Umberger and it is a priority for us to make sure that our younger players remain in the organization."
In two seasons with Philadelphia, Pitkanen has 21 goals, 52 assists and 122 penalty minutes in 129 games.
...then why was a 22 year old, quick skating, offensive oriented defenseman only signed to a 1-year contract????
Because they can. He isn't going anywhere for another 4 years...
For those that missed it, Brashear signed with Washington....
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 15, 2006, 12:41:49 PM
For those that missed it, Brashear signed with Washington....
kerblammo (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=15896.msg428347#msg428347)
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 14, 2006, 06:46:15 PM
Because they can. He isn't going anywhere for another 4 years...
...and your source of this 4-year contract??
Quote from: dis12 on July 15, 2006, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 14, 2006, 06:46:15 PM
Because they can. He isn't going anywhere for another 4 years...
...and your source of this 4-year contract??
I believe he means that Pitkannen isn't eligible to become a UFA for four more years.
Don't know if he's right or not (probably is), but I think that's what he means.
yup
Quote from: dis12 on July 15, 2006, 03:58:34 PM
...and your source of this 4-year contract??
try and get some semblance of a clue
http://www.tsn.ca/news_story.asp?ID=171720&hubName=main
text please
if only i could
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 19, 2006, 12:47:38 PM
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QuotePhiladelphia Flyers centre Keith Primeau has cancelled a trip to Finland, where he was going to train with a professional team.
Primeau played just nine games with the Flyers last season. He missed the last 73 games of the regular season and the playoffs with a concussion.
''It was going to be four weeks of just practice in an attempt to get my skating legs underneath me and to venture into some contact,'' Primeau said.
Primeau was examined by Flyers team physician Dr. Gary Dorshimer last week, but said he made the decision not to go before talking to Dorshimer.
''I just felt that the day was fast approaching and that I wasn't at a point where I was ready to head over there in the middle of August,'' Primeau said. ''After visiting with Dr. Dorshimer last week, all he did was re-confirm my decision.''
Despite cancelling the training trip, Primeau has yet to make a decision on his playing future.
''Basically, what happens now? I am going to make one more attempt to get myself prepared to play this season, but I also understand that I'm running out of time for opportunities or chances to get myself ready to play,'' Primeau said. ''Not from a physical standpoint, but from a health standpoint. I won't make any decisions one way or the other until I give myself that one more opportunity.''
Primeau still has two years and $6.84-million left on his contract with the Flyers.
Geoff Sanderson just signed with the flyers, he had 25 goals for Phoenix last year and can skate. I can only think Primeau is gone or they are shopping Gagne for real.
Shopping Gagne is not smart.
depends what you can get
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 19, 2006, 04:25:45 PM
depends what you can get
A top goalie and a defenseman who can actually skate would probably be too much to
ask hope for.
it's (sadly) obvious Primeau will not be able to play this upcoming season. Sanderson is a 34 yr old replacement for 34yr old Primeau
probably.
i'm thinking Gagne for Ovechkin straight up.
i hate dudes that spell their name Geoff
now, Ryu, that's a kickass name
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 19, 2006, 04:33:44 PM
probably.
i'm thinking Gagne for Ovechkin straight up.
you'll be thinking about this one for a loooooooooong time.
if they were gonna trade gagne it should have been in a package with esche for luongo
-- Broadcast shakeup: Keith Jones is the new color commentator (and will continue doing Postgame Live), Coates will now do interviews and rinkside reporting, and Dornhoefer is retiring to become a Hugh-like ambassador.
-- cool new high-tech scoreboard at the Center (http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/pressbox/archive/2668.asp)
-- the Flyers (Phantoms) reacquired Eric Meloche from the Blackhawks for pissed-off European Vaclav Pletka
-- no deal for Gagne yet, but Clarke is optimistic it'll get done soon
yeah i heard about jones on the morning show...great news.....coates was sickening
QuoteIn addition to the new center-hung scoreboard, ANC is installing an additional 1,000 linear feet of SMARTVISION® 20mm LED ribbon around the second level facade to compliment the company's existing fascia system at the arena. The two levels of fascia will bring alive the arena with advertisements and crowd prompts such as "get loud" and "defense." Two new outdoor SMARTVISION® 25mm displays will also welcome fans on Pattison Avenue.
Great, because Flyers fans have no clue when to start chants on their own.
::)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 03, 2006, 11:12:49 AM
QuoteIn addition to the new center-hung scoreboard, ANC is installing an additional 1,000 linear feet of SMARTVISION® 20mm LED ribbon around the second level facade to compliment the company's existing fascia system at the arena. The two levels of fascia will bring alive the arena with advertisements and crowd prompts such as "get loud" and "defense." Two new outdoor SMARTVISION® 25mm displays will also welcome fans on Pattison Avenue.
at least I now know where my $2/ticket price increase went to.
Quotebring alive the arena with advertisements
:-D
"PECOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO POWER PLAY"
new scoreboard will be a nice addition.
...just don't raise the beer prices!
The Palace in Aurburn Hills and American Airlines Center in Dallas (among others) have had that type of scoreboard for years. It's about time they jumped on the ball and got one.
The Flyers acquired Kyle Calder from Chicago for Handzus.
Hate to see Handzus go, but this is a great deal for the Flyers. Calder has speed, and can score.
He was the Blackhawks' top goal scorer and led the team in points. Not bad...
Ex-Flyer note: Eric Weinrich retired
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 04, 2006, 06:14:37 PM
The Flyers acquired Kyle Calder from Chicago for Handzus.
Hate to see Handzus go, but this is a great deal for the Flyers. Calder has speed, and can score.
I hate seeing Handzus go and I'll miss the gay Zeuuuuuus chant, but Calder is a much better fit in todays NHL. Basically we traded size, defense, and a bit of age for speed, youth, and a bit of untapped potential.
Another deal with Chicago:
The Blackhawks have sent RW Eric Meloche back to Philadelphia in exchange for the rights to LW Vaclav Pletka.
http://www.chicagoblackhawks.com/
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 03, 2006, 10:51:37 AM
-- the Flyers (Phantoms) reacquired Eric Meloche from the Blackhawks for pissed-off European Vaclav Pletka
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 04, 2006, 07:59:58 PM
Another deal with Chicago:
The Blackhawks have sent RW Eric Meloche back to Philadelphia in exchange for the rights to LW Vaclav Pletka.
http://www.chicagoblackhawks.com/
Thanks for adding to the thread.
Thanks for not adding to any threads ever.
QuoteFlyers' Primeau still troubled by concussion. The former captain says he is conditioning but not ready for skating. His return this season is unlikely.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15210528.htm
so this Calder deal was a good one for the Flyers?
Quote from: SunMoTzu on August 08, 2006, 12:31:11 PM
so this Calder deal was a good one for the Flyers?
You tell us, hockey genius.
get AIDS
Intriguing offer, but I'll decline at this time.
He was Chicago's top scorer and put up stats similar to but not quite reaching Mike Knuble. He's a year older than Gagne...
most importantly hes not a sloth like handzus
theres a question as to whether he scored in chicago because someone had to on a team that has been completely devoid of any offensive talent
was he the best of a hideous bunch and in reality is a 3rd liner
or could he flourish with real talent around him
we shall see....
-- CSN reporting Desjardins will announce his retirement tomorrow with a conference on Thursday
-- Forsberg will continue his rehab in Sweden and has offered to fly the trainer (McCrossin) and his family to Sweden for the month. He says he may miss the first few days of training camp (less than 6 weeks away already).
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 08, 2006, 11:25:10 PM
-- CSN reporting Desjardins will announce his retirement tomorrow with a conference on Thursday
Good.
can he take hatcher and rathje with him??
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2006, 05:04:20 PM
can he take hatcher and rathje with him??
I'm easy to please. I just want Primeau to hang it up right now for good.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15444637.htm
Good.
that got me all FLYERED up. thanks PG! that is, until i get the bill for my tickets.
They Flyers commercial they're playing on Comcast is sick.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 05, 2006, 07:22:49 PM
They Flyers commercial they're playing on Comcast is sick.
the 40 year one? omg...gooosebumps!!
The Poulin shorthanded breakaway vs the Nords and the Mark Howe goal....awesome. LOVE hearing Hart's voice.
3-year extension with WIP. Still no word on Gagne...
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 06, 2006, 06:09:51 PM
3-year extension with WIP. Still no word on Gagne...
Ask and ye shall recieve---
http://www.philly.com/mld/sports/hockey
Flyers, Gagne not on same page with contractBy ED MORAN
morane@phillynews.com
If there is any problem with the contract offer the Flyers have made to Simon Gagne, it's not that they are offering their top winger less than what independent arbitrators have been handing out.
General manager Bob Clarke said yesterday that the Flyers have offered Gagne either a 4-year deal or a 5-year deal worth $5 million a year.
That offer is comparable to the $5 million-a-year arbitrator awards given to the Devils' Scott Gomez and the Sabres' Daniel Briere.
Gagne apparently is asking for more than $5 million and a shorter contract. Gagne's agent, Bob Sauve, has said they are seeking a 3-year deal.
Sauve negotiated a 3-year deal worth $15.75 million for Calgary's Alex Tanguay, a player comparable to Gagne.
"We haven't been unfair with [Gagne]," Clarke said. "We've got the statistics and everything else to back this up. We didn't just pull everything out of the air. We did it professionally, we did it properly."
Gagne said Tuesday that he will not report to camp without a contract. Clarke said yesterday that he is not worried about getting a deal done, even though he admits the sides are still far apart.
"I talked to [Sauve], he's supposed to call back," Clarke said yesterday morning. "We're trying to set up a meeting with he and Simon and myself. Whether I have to go up there or they come down here I don't know yet. I haven't heard back from him yet.
"We know what we've offered is a good offer and now we've got to sit down with him. I guess it's 50-50 and will be right up until the day camp opens. I won't get worried about it until the day training camp starts.
"If he's not signed then, then we have a problem," Clarke said. "Until then, we'll just keep trying to sign him."
Clarke said the Flyers are not prepared to offer a 3-year contract worth $5 million a year.
"We have not talked 3 years," he said. "Would we go 3? We might, but not for $5 million [a year]. If we're going to go that high, we need to get some years out of it."
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 06, 2006, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 05, 2006, 07:22:49 PM
They Flyers commercial they're playing on Comcast is sick.
the 40 year one? omg...gooosebumps!!
The Poulin shorthanded breakaway vs the Nords and the Mark Howe goal....awesome. LOVE hearing Hart's voice.
Same here, haven't even thought about Hockey since the season ended, but that commercial got my juices running.
Gagne is really disappointing me. He knows the Flyers are strapped for cash unless they make trades or Primeau steps down and retires. Gagne is a 30 goal scorer without Forsberg in my book, maybe 40 max. Look at what Knuble did last year. Gagne needs to step up and take less in the first year if he legitimately wants a chance at a cup.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 08, 2006, 07:59:58 AM
Gagne is really disappointing me. He knows the Flyers are strapped for cash unless they make trades or Primeau steps down and retires. Gagne is a 30 goal scorer without Forsberg in my book, maybe 40 max. Look at what Knuble did last year. Gagne needs to step up and take less in the first year if he legitimately wants a chance at a cup.
You're seriously expecting a pro athlete to stay in Philadelphia for less money because of a better chance to win a championship? Don't be retarded.
I know, I know, God told him to get more money. ^-^
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 08, 2006, 08:31:14 AM
I know, I know, God told him to get more money. ^-^
The one that said God told him to go did end up with a championship, though. And then he died.
There's a moral or a lesson or something to be pulled from that, I think.
Listen to god and you'll get rich and die ???
Gagne wants a 3-yr deal because it's the minimum needed to hit unrestricted free agency, then he can leave.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 08, 2006, 10:25:58 AM
Gagne wants a 3-yr deal because it's the minimum needed to hit unrestricted free agency, then he can leave.
How many good years does Forsberg have left anyway? 3 years is fine.
Gagne re-signs for 5 years 25.5 mil per the Inquirer.
Hitch mentioned it on Barkann's new show on CSN. He said he can't confirm it, but he wouldn't have mentioned it if it weren't true.
Word.
:yay
Highest-paid Flyer now
Great, now the Flyers can have a $25.5 mil player when they lose in the first round.
way to much for gagne...the guy is average at best who for four months of his entire career has done anything remotely close to being worth that kind of money
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 09:25:13 PM
way to much for gagne...the guy is average at best who for four months of his entire career has done anything remotely close to being worth that kind of money
exactly, and considering the Forsberg's deal is up after this year and he might not be back, that's 4 more years at 5 mil/year for a guy who can't score on his own.
Gagne's being overpaid but that's not an outrageous contract for a guy with great speed and can put the puck in the net. If they do nothing else the rest of this offseason, I hope Clarke concentrates everything on upgrading the D.
it is a lot money for a scorer who doesnt really score all that much
over 5 mil can get you two/three good to very good players...which is basically what gagne is
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 09:49:30 PM
it is a lot money for a scorer who doesnt really score all that much
over 5 mil can get you two/three good to very good players...which is basically what gagne is
He was almost a 50 goal scorer last season, granted he played on a line with Forsberg, but he also benefited greatly from the rule changes. His style of play is perfect for the new NHL.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 11, 2006, 10:06:04 PM
He was almost a 50 goal scorer last season, granted he played on a line with Forsberg, but he also benefited greatly from the rule changes. His style of play is perfect for the new NHL.
i would agree with that, except that when Forsberg was out, Gagne went in the shteinter, he needs a dominant center to get him the puck
Quote from: MDS on September 11, 2006, 09:11:29 PM
Great, now the Flyers can have a $25.5 mil player when they lose in the first round.
That was my first reaction. There is no way he lives up to this contract.
meh. at least their paying really well to not win the cup this year as opposed to only pretty well.
Primeau's done....
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15502766.htm
Quote from: SunMo on September 12, 2006, 08:34:34 PM
Primeau's done....
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15502766.htm
I like Primeau and all but its about time.
QuoteThe decision could help explain why the Flyers extended a stunning $1.9 million Group II offer sheet to Vancouver's Ryan Kesler yesterday.
Way too much money for Kesler, not to mention, Clarke needs to focus his attention on Defense. Only a blind moron could see that we're the slowest defense in the league and unless that changes we'll be 1 and done come playoff time.
The Phillies have a better chance of winning the Stanley Cup than the Flyers do.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 12, 2006, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: SunMo on September 12, 2006, 08:34:34 PM
Primeau's done....
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15502766.htm
I like Primeau and all but its about time.
QuoteThe decision could help explain why the Flyers extended a stunning $1.9 million Group II offer sheet to Vancouver's Ryan Kesler yesterday.
Way too much money for Kesler, not to mention, Clarke needs to focus his attention on Defense. Only a blind moron could see that we're the slowest defense in the league and unless that changes we'll be 1 and done come playoff time.
The D should be better with the addition of Lars Johnnson he's faster than the old Johnsson. So you have Meyer/Joni/Johnnson
Hatcher(who lost 20 lbs and looks much faster)
Rathje(sucks and is slow, but was really hurt last year)
Picard
Jones(sucks, but is Hitch's fav)
Baumgartner and some other phantoms...
Hatcher(who lost 20 lbs and looks much faster)
lol
Quote from: MDS on September 12, 2006, 09:06:24 PM
The Phillies have a better chance of winning the Stanley Cup than the Flyers do.
Which is kind of ironic because the Flyers have a better shot at winning the World Series than the Phillies.
I know but his Bionic knees got cleaned out again. With the lost weight, he has average speed(= "much faster")
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2006, 08:26:53 AM
Hatcher(who lost 20 lbs and looks much faster)
lol
You beat me to it.
Classic Clarkie :-D
QuoteFor all the NHL general managers, or anyone else for that matter, who are enraged over the Philadelphia Flyers' offer sheet to Vancouver's Ryan Kesler, Flyer GM Bob Clarke has a message:
"I don't give a (expletive deleted) if nobody likes me, I could care less," Clarke told TSN. "But they shouldn't be getting mad at me, I didn't put the (offer sheet) rule in the collective bargaining agreement. If they're mad, they should call Gary Bettman and complain to him. Get mad at Gary Bettman. He's in charge of the rules, not me. I didn't realize there were some rules we're not allowed to use."
Clarke said he knew when he extended the one-year, $1.9 million offer sheet to the 22-year-old Kesler, a 10-goal scorer last season who was on the verge of re-signing for half that much with the Canucks, that he would incur the wrath of his brethren.
Too bad, Clarke said.
"I'm trying to make my team better," Clarke said. "There's a rule that says we can put out offer sheets. So I did it. You know, it's funny, they made new rules so we're operating in a system where we all get to spend the same amount of money. Philadelphia and Detroit can't spend any more than Nashville or Anaheim. Those are the rules. We all live by them. No one can accuse Philadelphia or Detroit of spending more money than everyone else now. But when I go and use a rule that is there, everybody is all over me about it."
And Clarke was just getting warmed up.
"To me, our thinking is completely backward," Clarke said. "I lost Kim Johnsson to (unrestricted) free agency because the Minnesota Wild gave him $4.8 million. Well, the Flyers had to give (revenue sharing) money to Minnesota and other teams and I don't like that but it's the rules. And then Minnesota takes that money and signs my player and there are no rules to say I can keep him if I match. I wish I had all the options with Kim Johnsson that Vancouver has with Kesler. They can match and keep him or they can let him go. It's up to them."
As for those who suggest Clarke should not have tendered the offer sheet because Vancouver will match and the market value for 22-year-old, 10-goal scorers will be inflated, Clark took umbrage with that.
"Sure, in the old system, teams always matched offer sheets but this is a new system with a salary cap and you have to make hard decisions that affect your team not just for this year but the years to come, too," Clarke said. "I don't know that Vancouver will match. Maybe we get the player. That's the idea. It's a few days to training camp, the player wasn't signed and we have a need for that type of player in our organization. Why wouldn't I try it? Everyone says it's causing salaries to go up. That's crap. We've all got salary caps and if it is true it drives up salaries, well, doesn't Boston signing (Zdeno) Chara to a $7 million deal or Chicago signing (Martin) Havlat to a $6 million deal drive up salaries, too? Give me a break.
"A lot of guys in this league like the rules when it suits them and they don't like them when it doesn't. Too bad for them. I'm just playing by the rules that are there. To be honest, I'm surprised more teams aren't doing it."
Clarke fits in Philly. I just wish he wasn't GM of a team.
clarkie = gawd
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2006, 02:39:41 PM
clarkie = gawd
true, too bad it's usually Bob Clarke, and not Clarkie, making the decisions
if you dont like clarke then you cant like reid...theyve both made some key non moves that have probably kept each team from winning it all
the difference is clarke is a likeable shoot from the hip gangsta and reid is a condecending lying jerk off
they both lie, a lot
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2006, 02:52:48 PM
if you dont like clarke then you cant like reid...theyve both made some key non moves that have probably kept each team from winning it all
the difference is clarke is a likeable shoot from the hip gangsta and reid is a condecending lying jerk off
Clarke was also operating for years with a nearly-unlimited budget and has only one Stanley Cup finals sweep to show for it. That's really my issue with him.
He's like Ted Turner with worse results.
Clarke was also operating for years with a nearly-unlimited budget and has only one Stanley Cup finals sweep to show for it.
clarke has been at the helm of four different stanley cup final teams (3 flyers, 1 minnesota)...and built another one
he is one of the best player personell guys in nhl history...both in terms of trades and drafting...i wont bore you with all his moves but he has made some of the best trades in the history of the league...is he above criticism of course not but overall hes been great hes just missing a cup
his biggest problem is that his teams have always run into juggernauts...gretzkys oilers marios pens....not an excuse just the troof
Clarke is a guy who can amaze you at times with deals, and make then make you furious with some of his other moves. The flyers drafting ability and scouting is in the top 3 in the league, but with the previous CBA they traded away boatloads of talent for chances at the cup. I cant wait to see what this team looks like over the next 5 years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2006, 04:33:23 PM
Clarke was also operating for years with a nearly-unlimited budget and has only one Stanley Cup finals sweep to show for it.
clarke has been at the helm of four different stanley cup final teams (3 flyers, 1 minnesota)...and built another one
he is one of the best player personell guys in nhl history...both in terms of trades and drafting...i wont bore you with all his moves but he has made some of the best trades in the history of the league...is he above criticism of course not but overall hes been great hes just missing a cup
his biggest problem is that his teams have always run into juggernauts...gretzkys oilers marios pens....not an excuse just the troof
So what's Clarke's excuse for not putting together his own juggernaut?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 13, 2006, 04:45:37 PM
So what's Clarke's excuse for not putting together his own juggernaut?
Frank Stallone.
So what's Clarke's excuse for not putting together his own juggernaut?
so clarke sucked cause he never put together one of the greatest teams of all-time?
i get it
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2006, 04:57:49 PM
So what's Clarke's excuse for not putting together his own juggernaut?
so clarke sucked cause he never put together one of the greatest teams of all-time?
i get it
It's about time. :P
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2006, 04:33:23 PM
Clarke was also operating for years with a nearly-unlimited budget and has only one Stanley Cup finals sweep to show for it.
clarke has been at the helm of four different stanley cup final teams (3 flyers, 1 minnesota)...and built another one
he is one of the best player personell guys in nhl history...both in terms of trades and drafting...i wont bore you with all his moves but he has made some of the best trades in the history of the league...is he above criticism of course not but overall hes been great hes just missing a cup
his biggest problem is that his teams have always run into juggernauts...gretzkys oilers marios pens....not an excuse just the troof
You've got to be kidding me. And the comparison to Reid was maybe the most ridiculous thing you've ever wrote. Clarke is excellent with the college drafts, but for all of his decent trades he's made just as many boneheaded ones. My big problem with him is his refusal to get players who fit into today's NHL.
Clarke never went for a franchise goalie. Things could have been different if he went for Belfour instead of Vanbiesbrouck. Ever since then, it's been a constant rotation....Snow, Burke, Boucher, Cechmanek, Esche, Niittymaki...
kind of like reid with wr's
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2006, 07:40:08 PM
kind of like reid with wr's
Clarke has had a lot more time in an unevenly-funded league to win a title than Reid has in the salary cap NFL to win one, and yet you're much more critical of Reid than Clarke. Odd.
Esche sucks.
Clarke has had a lot more time in an unevenly-funded league to win a title than Reid has in the salary cap NFL to win one, and yet you're much more critical of Reid than Clarke.
clarkes also sent FIVE teams to finals that he personally built (except for minnesota which he gets half credit for) whereas reid has made one final....and really that year was the only one he has won with what you could consider his own team...and to be fair yes clarke has had more time....in 10-15 years if reid is half as successful as clarke has been in the PP dept. then i would venture to say the eagles will have won a superbowl
but in general its not even close clarke is infintely a better gm than andy reid...its not debatable
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2006, 08:13:58 AM
but in general its not even close clarke is infintely a better gm than andy reid...its not debatable
Hyperbole alert. Again. Yawn.
Mike Richards was on 933 wmmr this morning. Supposedly he's dating(or going on a date with) Lauren Harris Miss FHM :yay
Flyers/Devils preseason on CSN next Thursday.
(sorry if already posted)
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 14, 2006, 08:27:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2006, 08:13:58 AM
but in general its not even close clarke is infintely a better gm than andy reid...its not debatable
Arrogant juvenile alert. Again. Yawn.
Fixed
Rumor is Esche is gone. Boucher may be back in the fold as a backup to nitty. (this is rumors from flyerphans/o&b boards)
While that is decent news, Nittimakki is still not good enough to win them a Stanley Cup. But pretty much anyone is better than Esche.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 14, 2006, 10:29:50 AM
Boucher may be back in the fold as a backup to nitty.
Sweet. My Boucher jersey might be solid again, especially if he changes his number. OLD SCHOOL.
Hitch reupped till 2008, rumor still is bouche signed with the flyers and a trade involving Eshe in the works
OMG! preseason home games this Thursday and Saturday! it's waaay too early.
anyone interested in my tix for Sat night vs. Ottawa? very very very cheap.
PM me.
gone - sorry CF compadres.
Not sure the validity but the rumor floating is Forsberg went down awkwardly in practice and injured his knee :-\ This was coming from a guy who was watching practice today.
sounds like crap to me:
http://phillyboard.orangeandblack.net/phillyboard/showthread.php?t=21921
I hope so PG.
The Forsberg thing was apparently crap. Man, the other boards have so many village idiots it makes this place look like a Mensa meeting.
QuoteDownie set to impressBy Tim Panaccio
Inquirer Staff Writer
It was the usual training-camp skirmishes you see in hockey: Prospect Steve Downie battling hard against defenseman Martin Grenier a few days ago.
Downie has seldom lost a puck possession or battle in camp despite his 5-foot-10 size. Grenier, who is a monster at 6-5, took exception to the contact and wanted to drop gloves.
"There is no point [in] dropping gloves in camp," Downie said. "We are all going to be teammates. It's not like the old days where you bring in tough guys. It's a skill game now."
Tonight in Moncton, New Brunswick, the Flyers will unleash the 19-year-old Downie on the Pittsburgh Penguins in the first of three exhibition games this week.
"I just go to keep my nerves in check and be calm out there," said Downie, who was so pumped yesterday, he remained on the ice an extra 30 minutes. "I can't be worried about other things. It should be fun playing with NHL guys.
"It's my first chance to show what I've got. I've been nervous playing with [our] guys and it's been wearing me down. I'm trying to settle down."
Downie and fellow right wing Stefan Ruzicka will see a lot of ice time in the exhibitions. Conceivably, one of these players could push a veteran off the squad.
"I am not sure that will happen," said coach Ken Hitchcock when asked whether Downie, who has a penchant for fighting and suspensions from his junior days, will be able to control his emotions.
"That is OK. A guy like Steve and Ruzicka are going to get long looks. This is just one of many games. I don't think it matters how they play. They need games under their belt and they need experience. And see where it goes."
Ruzicka, who is 21, seemed equally nervous, although he's already played a regular-season game in the NHL.
"Last year, I played a little bit and I have some experience, but I try not to be too nervous and just do my best," he said. "My linemates, they are friendly and we're ready. I feel I need to play every game 120 percent and show them I can play in the NHL."
Downie will play right wing on Marty Murray's line with Niko Dimitrakos. Ruzicka will play right wing on Mark Cullen's line with Randy Robitaille.
Loose pucks. Ben Eager (torn medial collateral ligament/left knee) still can't go a full 90-minute practice and will be held out of games until the weekend, Hitchcock said... . Joni Pitkanen, who had a second arthroscopic surgery on his right knee in Finland in late August, says his knee is "OK" and it's still healing. The Flyers are trying to be cautious with him. He won't play against the Penguins... . Robert Esche and Martin Houle will share goal.
Hitchcock plans to rotate Esche, Houle, and Antero Niittymaki in the first four exhibitions, then Esche and Niittymaki in the last three. The coach said he still has no idea who his starter is. Last week, Hitchcock explained that he doesn't need a designated No. 1, but two players who act as a perfect tandem, such as what Carolina got out of Martin Gerber and Cam Ward in winning the Stanley Cup. "The starter flip-flopped by the playoffs," Hitchcock said, meaning Ward had the job.
The CCR Line will go tonight - Kyle Calder, Jeff Carter and Mike Richards. Hitchcock said he needs to determine in exhibitions whether Carter can handle right wing. If not, he goes back to center... . Tonight's game is on WIP-AM (610), but won't be televised... . Barry Hanrahan was promoted from director of team services to assistant general manager; Bryan Hardenbergh replaced him and will travel with the club full time.
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That was quite a hefty article about 2 guys who seem to have an outside shot at even making the team.
Its that time of year Sarge. Personally i want to see Jonnsson play. From everything i've read and heard he's the real deal. He would be the perfect solution to the slow lumbering D Men we have. He's faster than Joni, with a similar skill set.
I don't know shtein about hockey so I'll take your word for it.
Tonights game wont be televised on Comcast, but if you have Direct TV with the sports package, you might get the game on FSNPI(pittsburg) channel 628 at 6:30pm
Flyers lost 5-4, but that new Russian on Pittsburgh got dumped on his head and taken to a hospital...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_dluoFbJQ
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 20, 2006, 10:25:06 PM
Flyers lost 5-4, but that new Russian on Pittsburgh got dumped on his head and taken to a hospital...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_dluoFbJQ
By his own teammate, nonetheless.
Welcome to the Pittsburgh Penguins, comrade.
LeClair :-\
Recchi got hit in the face too
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 20, 2006, 10:59:53 PM
LeClair :-\
Recchi got hit in the face too
:-D Dang, you're right. I hadn't even noticed it was LeClair.
He's never laid a hit on an opponent like that!
that new Russian
lol
Most people don't know who Evgeni Malkin is anyway, so "that new Russian" works good... :)
Recchi actually broke his cheekbone against the Flyers. Malkin(that new russian) dislocated his shoulder.
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h162/flyershockey81/bsrb.jpg) :-D
oh
my
God
:-D :-D :-D :-D
I don't know why I did, but I found that too be quite funny. Hockey is finally good for something besides laughing at Barry Melroses mullet.
Brian Savage retired
The kid from Boy Meets World?
No, duh. The one from Wonder Years...
for those interested i saw this in the inky today
Tuesday's game against the Capitals will be available live on the Internet via broadband as part of B2 Networks. It's available only in the Philadelphia market (based on your IP address) and will use the WIP-AM (610) feed. "Webcasting this game will allow fans to view Flyers games in a whole new light and give them access to a game that is not televised," said Shawn Tilger, the club's vice president of marketing and communications. Log onto the Flyers' Web site for information
The Season from Hell (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4167018328022513973&q=Philadelphia+Flyers)
that was the worst video i've ever seen. not only did the music make it really gay, but the highlights spanned almost 5 years.
They were wearing an NHL2000 patch on their upper right chest the whole time.
Where's the Elias goal from game 7? Seems to have been left out...
I can't think of a tasteless Dimintri Tyrtishini joke. Can anyone help out? His boating skills were better than his hockey skills? Yuck.
Meet the Flyers is on CSN right now
I'll be at tonights game, in the suite so I can watch the Phils too.
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2006, 11:31:08 PM
I can't think of a tasteless Dimintri Tyrtishini joke. Can anyone help out? His boating skills were better than his hockey skills? Yuck.
I really despise you.
:-D
sounds like Nitty may be out for 6-8 weeks with hip flexor problem...Esche rules!
Get Boucher! :paranoid
Esche is totally a #1 goalie
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 26, 2006, 10:31:33 PM
Get Boucher! :paranoid
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Just got back from the game:
-Esche sucks
-Preseason or not the Defense is still entirely too slow.
-Best thing about preseason games is the fighting. Hatcher had a good scrap tonight
-Forsberg looked great and is still the man
My early prediction: This team doesn't go any further than it did last season.
FYI on Nitty's injury: Torn right labrum (he tore the left one last time). Out 6-8 weeks.
Well at least nitty's laberams are evened out. Esche is bad but i dont think there are any other options without giving away too much talent. Gotta love the B2 networks broadcast of the game last night, it was a complete and utter failure
shoulda traded gagne for luongo
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2006, 09:11:02 AM
shoulda traded gagne for luongo
Clarke doesn't like good young goalies and Bunkley78 tells us that Esche and Nitty are better than him so....
haha
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I love Richards in a very gay way.
richards = my current favorite philly athlete
great site
http://www.pellelindbergh.se/
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2006, 08:00:25 AM
richards = my current favorite philly athlete
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Cole is going to eat you.
(http://home.comcast.net/~igfhl/caps09260603.jpg) Look at the kid in the background :-D
(http://home.comcast.net/~igfhl/caps09260605.jpg) Hatcher caused some havoc
(http://home.comcast.net/~igfhl/caps09260606.jpg) Hatcher jacked up Matt Bradley :yay
richards = my current favorite white philly athlete
Richards is a beast of a fighter for a little guy.
he fools a lot of people cause hes a lefty...and he can go with both hands...reminds me a lot of alan kerr
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2006, 08:04:34 AM
richards = my current favorite white philly athlete
There are no white athletes.
does this sound weird??
QuoteFlyers goalie Antero Niittymaki will receive cortisone shots in his injured left hip and try to make it through the season without needing surgery.
Niittymaki, who tore the labrum in his left hip during practice Tuesday, could have had surgery immediately, which would have sidelined him for up to three months. Instead, Niittymaki and Philadelphia trainer Jim McCrossin will fly to Nashville on Friday to get the first of three injections, as recommended by hip specialist Dr. Thomas Byrd.
McCrossin said the injections would be given Friday, in December and before the playoffs.
"That would be ideal for us," McCrossin said Thursday. "We'll keep our fingers crossed that the injection and the rehab he will be doing is going to keep him healthy all through the season and we'll do the surgery in the offseason."
Niittymaki tied a Flyers rookie record with 23 wins last season. McCrossin said the shots and rigorous rehab should allow Niittymaki to keep playing.
"With the injection, if it does take, that would be great," McCrossin said. "On the other side, if it doesn't take, then we'd have to obviously look at surgery."
Sounds like a hockey player to me.
I want Nitty to get the surgery now, and not injure himself before teh playoffs. Rumors have been circulating that Clarke is inquiring about Vesa Toskala from San Jose but the asking price is very high at this point
PLAYOFFS?@!?
I want Nitty to get the surgery now, and not injure himself before teh playoffs
yeah because they need an experienced stanley cup winning goalie come playoff time?
CAM WARD !
John Buccigross (ESPN) has the Flyers missing the playoffs, the rest of ESPN has them as the #8 seed, and only 1 no-name writer has them winning the division. wtf...
i know youre not a big hockey guy easy...but have you looked at their roster lately?
bad defense + sub par goaltending = borderline playoff team
just wait until next year when they dont have forsberg...gonna get really ugly then
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 29, 2006, 10:44:07 AM
wtf...
Why would you think otherwise? They're not very good.
If what I saw Tuesday is any inclination to what they're gonna be like this season, its going to be a really long year. Clarke better have some tricks up his sleeve.
sd can you give me an in depth recap of the fights on tuesday...how they started who won ect...
i think they could finish anywhere from 5th to 10th in the conference depending of course on injuries and how much the youngins progress
they do have a great coach and arguably the best player in the nhl...thats coutns for a lot...but the defense scares the poopies outta me
There were 3 fights, the best one being when Hatcher pummeled some guy. Can't remember who was in the other fight, but it was decent. I missed the 3rd one when I was in the bathroom. The Refs were going out of their way to stop fights before they happened which sucked because it was a preseason game and who cares.
I wouldn't be so down on them if they either had: A) A speedy defense capable of being effective in todays NHL or B) A good goalie.
For those two reasons alone, I can't see us finishing as anything other than a bottom seed or out of the playoffs altogether.
Richards vs The Russian (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H5LyrMfM8U)
you the man
thanks g
good lord
Gauthier received a knee to the head from Ovechkin as payback for a hit from tuesdays game. Gauthier out now with a concussion, along with Lars Jonsson(high ankle sprain probably out 3-5 weeks), Rathje(back spasms). Gagne received cortizone in his hip as treatment. Nitty will be back tuesday for practice, but i'd rather he just get the surgery now.
Clarke calld out players after the loss last night to teh caps leaving the flyers 1-5-1 this preseason. They have been using an ahl lineup but the effort is what clarke is worried about.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 30, 2006, 09:14:48 AM
Gauthier received a knee to the head from Ovechkin as payback for a hit from tuesdays game. Gauthier out now with a concussion, along with Lars Jonsson(high ankle sprain probably out 3-5 weeks), Rathje(back spasms). Gagne received cortizone in his hip as treatment. Nitty will be back tuesday for practice, but i'd rather he just get the surgery now.
Clarke calld out players after the loss last night to teh caps leaving the flyers 1-5-1 this preseason. They have been using an ahl lineup but the effort is what clarke is worried about.
please don't let this year be a repeat of last year! as much as I liked the way the young guys played, it just wasn't the "real" Flyers team.
went to the flyers-caps on friday night. paid like $5 for tickets and sat in the third row right behind the penalty box.
Quote from: phattymatty on October 02, 2006, 04:23:45 PM
went to the flyers-caps on friday night. paid like $5 for tickets and sat in the third row right behind the penalty box.
were you the only ones there?
there were 7 others.
Quote from: phattymatty on October 02, 2006, 04:56:01 PM
there were 7 others.
All 14-year-old puckbunnies, I'd bet.
I think the first NHL game is today or something. How dead is this sport?
Quote from: MDS on October 04, 2006, 06:15:02 PM
I think the first NHL game is today or something. How dead is this sport?
I can't remember a hockey season when I was this unexcited
I was looking for "very." But okay.
very
thanks, wookie.
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