I know at this time of year these truly mean nothing but what that hell.... :puke
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/nfl/huddle_up/2006/2006/05/predicting-nfc-east.html
I see nothing far fetched in that article other than the taterskins going 11-5. They are more likely to go 8-8 or so. The Eagles are more likely to go 9-7 but the best I am hoping for right now is 10-6.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 15, 2006, 02:37:21 PM
I see nothing far fetched in that article other than the taterskins going 11-5. They are more likely to go 8-8 or so. The Eagles are more likely to go 9-7 but the best I am hoping for right now is 10-6.
I agree somewhat and I'd also say 10 wins but the Cowboy loving is making my lunch come up... :puke
You negative Fargs! 10-6 at the least...gimme a break.
every team in the division has about equal chance to go 11-5 or 5-11...as of now i give a slight edge to the skins...with the eagles dallas and the giants mixed in right behind them
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2006, 03:26:16 PM
every team in the division has about equal chance to go 11-5 or 5-11...
i agree with most of that, but i think the skins have the least chance of winning the division. take away one of the 2 fluke wins against the eagles and they don't even make the playoffs last year.
if bledsoe and TO can work together, they automatically have a much better offense. and their defense is going to be good. i loved their draft last year with ware, spears, and canty. dallas scare me more than anyone else in the division.
but it's hard for me to think the birds don't get back to at least their 2003-2004 form. our offensive players are better as a whole, and assuming andy took anything at all from last year's debacle we should run the ball more and even out the offense. especially with no TO and with the size of our line. And I love our D-Line at the moment. they're the key on defense, good pressure from them makes Lito and Sheldon look better again.
I think right now the Cowboys are in the best shape, Eagles and Giants, close behind, and Skins last.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 15, 2006, 04:01:41 PM
Saying what rjs is thinking.
Stop saying what I'm thinking.
I think the Giants get the shortest end of the stick in the NFC East. They've got last place nailed down and for some reason (Eli) I find that easy to predict.
After that it's anyone's game but I think the Skins are 3rd with Philly and Dallas fighting for 1st, but any of those three teams could be fighting it out for the top spot. I just to see the Gints doing anything...
because they were awful last year and Eli is getting worse?
Dallas should be good, except for major questions along the offensive line and an aging QB... which could mean they could not be very good at all.
washington should be good, except for increased pressure on Greggggg Williams to turn turds into gold and, also, an aging QB... which could mean they could not be very good at all.
NY should be good, except for a lot of depth with no front-line talent in the secondary, a smallish, aging RB, and a bit of a wildcard at QB... but they really won't SUCK regardless IMO.
The Eagles should be good, except for a possible lack of weapons on offense and a lot of questions in the OLB's and also on special teams... which could mean they could only be average.
IMO, the Giants have the highest *floor* and the skins have the lowest *ceiling*. But all 4 teams are certainly not too far off each other as far as the odds to win the division and/or make the playoffs go.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 15, 2006, 04:38:11 PM
IMO, the Giants have the highest *floor* and the skins have the lowest *ceiling*. But all 4 teams are certainly not too far off each other as far as the odds to win the division and/or make the playoffs go.
Brilliant use of an Economic analogy.
I still think of Dallas as an 8-8/9-7 team, mostly because their team is old and their O-line is the worst in the division. Plus I think Tuna's lost his luster a bit.
Skins...meh, 9-7 team, possible wildcard.
Giants 10-6/11-5, depends on Manning taking the next step and if Barber can still be effective. Defensively they should be better than last season, I only say 'should' because I like their additions but feel they have a gaping hole at Defensive Tackle.
Us-who knows, at this point I'm willing to say 10-6/11-5 because
A. I'm biased
B. I'm biased and optimistic
C. There's no team in the East that just stands out from the rest of the crowd.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 15, 2006, 04:38:11 PM
make the playoffs go.
Uhm.... I don't know what the word "go" is doing in there BTW.
Quote from: 4and26 on May 15, 2006, 02:30:17 PM
I know at this time of year these truly mean nothing but what that hell.... :puke
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/nfl/huddle_up/2006/2006/05/predicting-nfc-east.html
So...this tool thinks the Eagles are only one game better than last year with a healthy McNabb and Westbrook?
Mmmkay....
Quote from: Butchers Bill on May 15, 2006, 04:52:00 PM
Quote from: 4and26 on May 15, 2006, 02:30:17 PM
I know at this time of year these truly mean nothing but what that hell.... :puke
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/nfl/huddle_up/2006/2006/05/predicting-nfc-east.html
So...this tool thinks the Eagles are only one game better than last year with a healthy McNabb and Westbrook?
Mmmkay....
and upgrading key spots in the roster?
I agree, this guy is a tool.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 15, 2006, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on May 15, 2006, 04:52:00 PM
Quote from: 4and26 on May 15, 2006, 02:30:17 PM
I know at this time of year these truly mean nothing but what that hell.... :puke
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/nfl/huddle_up/2006/2006/05/predicting-nfc-east.html
So...this tool thinks the Eagles are only one game better than last year with a healthy McNabb and Westbrook?
Mmmkay....
and upgrading key spots in the roster?
I agree, this guy is a tool.
Gee thanks! I think you'll note I puked when I read this and put a note that I saw them as 10 win team. The further vomit came from the dumb ass Cowboys fans that jumped on this.
Glad to see were on the same team.
Yours Truly,
tool >:(
Um, did you write the article?
Because that's who we were referring to. ::)
Phew........... :-[
Quote from: 4and26 on May 15, 2006, 05:52:48 PM
Phew........... :-[
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Realistically, I have a hard time gauging how the Eagles will do. There are so many questions.
1. The other teams in the NFC East are better than 2 years ago. OR, were they merely better because the Eagles were down?
2. McNabb is back and healthy this year. But is he truly healthy? Has the surgery for a nasty injury completely healed? Can McNabb be the multi-threat QB he was in prior years? With the offense (particularly the WR) the Eagles have, can the team afford #5 to try to be a pocket passer again?
3. Will the clubhouse be better, the team more cohesive with TO gone to Dallas? Or was the fissure too great to heal in one offseason? Is losing TO truly addition by subtraction, or will the Eagles' suffer more because of losing his production than they gained by removing the pain in the ass?
4. Is Reid truly prepared to adjust his gamecalling and run the ball more? Or will he continue to be obstinate in the face of criticism and keep chucking the ball? If so, will McNabb survive to play in the Christmas game against Dallas? Will Reid actually give Morningwheg the ability to call the plays and step back? Can Reid give up that much power?
5. We're all excited about the possibilities of the combination of Kearse and Howard, but neither were truly productive last year. Will they be more effective together, or will there still be issues with the ends?
6. Can Brian Westbrook truly be the full-time feature back?
7. Who in the heck is going to replace Dhani Jones? Somebody has to.
8. Can Bunkley make a difference on the defensive line this season? Can Justice/Jean-Gilles do the same on the offensive line?
9. Were Lito's (and to a lesser extent all of the DB's) troubles of last season a down year made worse by the lack of pressure by the defensive line, or is it more problematic than that? Will he come back hungry rather than complacent like last season? Is he perhaps a one-season wonder?
10. Can Reggie Brown blossom into a star? Can Todd Pinkston both a) grow a pair, and b) come back from a ruptured Achilles?
Yes, this is many of the same players that reached the Super Bowl two seasons ago. It is also many of the same players that finished 6-10 last season.
In my opinion (and yes, take it for what it's worth), the Eagles can finish anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6, depending on how the above (and more) questions are answered. I just think that the Eagles' seasons of pure dominance of the division are a thing of the past.
For argument's sake, I'd say the Eagles win 8 or 9.
1. Giants
2. Eagles/Dallas
3. Dallas/Eagles
4. taterskins
However, the teams are interchangeable enough that any of the teams could literally finish in any order.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 15, 2006, 07:37:56 PM
10. Can Reggie Bush blossom into a star?
The Eagles only play the Saints once, though. Ha.
They were 6-10 last year without McNabb and Westbrook, every "expert" seems to forget that. I am pretty confident they will win the division again, only if they stay fairly healthy though.
Actually, the Eagles were 1-4 without McNabb and Westbrook last year (counting the Seattle game where Westy was injured on the first posession).
The Eagles were 4-5 with both McNabb and Westbrook.
exactly, even with Donny Mac and Westbrook, the Eagles still crumble last year. That defense was as close as disgusting as your gonna get compared to years past
Quote from: reese125 on May 15, 2006, 08:43:08 PM
exactly, even with Donny Mac and Westbrook, the Eagles still crumble last year. That defense was as close as disgusting as your gonna get compared to years past
I agree, but McNabb wasn't himself all season. With a healthy McNabb alone they will be much improved, the improved D should make them a strong contender in the playoffs.
If anything less than a 100% McNabb means we are relegated to a losing season, the team has other problems that need to be addressed. Plenty of teams have made the playoffs with a quarterback performing as well as the hobbled McNabb did in the first nine games of last season.
I just don't can't agree with the Giants being anything this year and that is because of Eli. Maybe I'm just reacting to that fiasco in Carolina last year but talk about big game choking... QB is a rather key position to have a ?.
Skins will have a good D and that keeps games close for them.
Dallas will have a good D with a better offense.
Philly has a good D with a wild card offense that I think will be good. But that is the homer talking...
So...this tool thinks the Eagles are only one game better than last year with a healthy McNabb and Westbrook?
westbrook staying healthy for a whole year is unlikely at best...and who knows how mcnabb is going to come back from last year...hes teetering on emotional implosion...if he comes out struggles and the eagles start 0-2 who knows if he will be able to handle the tsunami of criticism that will come down on him
and btw every team in the division improved more than the eagles this offseason...so even if the eagles come back 100% healthy and everything goes perfectly the other teams are just as good...which is why all these teams are 10-6 imo right now...with a slight advantage to the skins with their improvements this offseason
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 08:38:54 AM
and btw every team in the division improved more than the eagles this offseason...so even if the eagles come back 100% healthy and everything goes perfectly the other teams are just as good...which is why all these teams are 10-6 imo right now...with a slight advantage to the skins with their improvements this offseason
You always seem to give the skins the benefit of the doubt and the opposite treatment to the Eagles. The Eagles added many more players that will help the team this year
and beyond. The skins spent a lot of money but ended up with only one player out of the draft that really has any hope of contributing at all and a handful of free agents, none of which are overly exciting, and a couple of which are simply not good.
Sorry, but the skins didn't make big-time improvements, and they will have major depth problems.
i didnt say they made big time improvements...i said they improved more than the eagles...andre carter will help the skins just as much if not more than howard will the eagles
you can say they overpaid for the wr's but they will greatly improve the team...their #2 and 3 wr's were the worst in the nfl and now they are are one of the best...thats a HUGE upgrade there...thier offense has the potential to be scary good if brunnel is even average...hes definitely the question mark which is why i put the eagles on basically the same level as the skins assuming mcnabb comes back and plays like hes capable of...but if brunnel proves that hes not done the skins win the division
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 08:56:13 AM
andre carter will help the skins just as much if not more than howard will the eagles
link?
i just think hes a slept on signing...someone williams will have making plays all over the field
how about a wager as to who has more sacks carter vs howard
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 08:56:13 AM
i didnt say they made big time improvements...i said they improved more than the eagles...andre carter will help the skins just as much if not more than howard will the eagles
you can say they overpaid for the wr's but they will greatly improve the team...their #2 and 3 wr's were the worst in the nfl and now they are are one of the best...thats a HUGE upgrade there...thier offense has the potential to be scary good if brunnel is even average...hes definitely the question mark which is why i put the eagles on basically the same level as the skins assuming mcnabb comes back and plays like hes capable of...but if brunnel proves that hes not done the skins win the division
I'm starting to believe you're a Skins fan in denial.
The Carter/Howard comment was bad enough, but then to say Randle El and Lloyd are one of the best #2 and #3 receivers in the NFL is a joke.
Granted history isn't on their side, but how can the guy say that the Eagles still can't run the ball? The line has been revamped with tremendous size, Reid promises to run more, Westbrook is healthy, and Moats flashed some nice potential last year....and yet they already "can't"? Maybe they will and maybe they won't...but it's certainly not an open and shut "can't."
The Carter/Howard comment was bad enough
carter has been in the league five years and outsacked howard in four of them...why is that comment so absurd...add to that williams system fits carter perfectly...could howard have more sacks sure...but its 50/50 at best
but then to say Randle El and Lloyd are one of the best #2 and #3 receivers in the NFL is a joke.
one of the best meaning in the argument...who definiotely has a better 2-3 combo...the raiders and st louis id say...and after that the skins are right there with a few other teams
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 09:34:43 AM
The Carter/Howard comment was bad enough
carter has been in the league five years and outsacked howard in four of them...why is that comment so absurd...add to that williams system fits carter perfectly...could howard have more sacks sure...but its 50/50 at best
but then to say Randle El and Lloyd are one of the best #2 and #3 receivers in the NFL is a joke.
one of the best meaning in the argument...who definiotely has a better 2-3 combo...the raiders and st louis id say...and after that the skins are right there with a few other teams
Sacks aside, which I've always thought were an overrated stat, Howard's a better player vs. the run. Ask any Whiners fan, Carter was a liability vs. the run.
Better #2 and #3 receivers: Raiders, Rams, Cardinals, Panthers, Bengals, Broncos, Cowboys, Colts
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 09:34:43 AM
carter has been in the league five years and outsacked howard in four of them...
2005 - Carter had 1 more sack than Howard
2004 - Howard had 9 more sacks than Carter (Carter missed half the season with injury)
2003 - Carter had 1.5 more sacks than Howard (Howard missed half the season with injury)
2002 - Carter had 4.5 more sacks than Howard
2001 - Carter had 0.5 more sacks than Howard
2000 - Howard had 11 sacks his rookie season
Your comment seriously sounds like something Art would say. Can you say... misleading and argumentative?
Howard has also forced 12 fumbles in the last 5 years, while Carter has only forced 7.
If Gregggg couldn't get Arrington to play within the system, what makes you think he'll have any better luck with Andre Carter? Sure, he might... but he also very well might not. Again, you always seem to give the skins the benefit of the doubt. Combine that with where you live, and you appear to be a closet fan more often than not.
Sacks aside, which I've always thought were an overrated stat, Howard's a better player vs. the run. Ask any Whiners fan, Carter was a liability vs. the run.
of course he is...hes much bigger...carter is an edge rusher/linebacker...which is exactly what the skins needed as their pass rush was horrible last year and they lost arrington...hes a very good addition for them as is howard for the eagles
the season will tell and well see whos right but my money is on the skins having a better record than the eagles and carter outsacking howard...but both bets are certainly not locks
So, Howard was what the Eagles needed, and Carter was what the skins needed.
Basically, what you're saying is that the skins had a WAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better off-season because of the additions of Randle-El and Lloyd? I mean.. I know you love you some ALE and all, but that's ridiculous.
skins' arguably-significant additions:
Randle-El (KR/PR & 2nd/3rd WR)
Lloyd (2nd/3rd WR)
Carter (starting OLB/DE hybrid)
Archuleta (starting SS - but how good is he really?)
Fauria (3rd H-Back/TE)
Rocky McIntosh (will he really contribute in 2006? only drafted player that MIGHT)
Todd Collins (3rd QB, I guess)
Eagles' arguably-significant additions:
Howard (starting DE)
Schobel (2nd TE)
Garcia (2nd QB)
Gaffney (2nd/3rd WR)
Barber (nickel LB)
Bunkley (rotational DT)
Justice (offensive line talent/depth)
Jasper (upgrade depth/competition at DT)
Avant (can make a few plays in traffic)
Jean-Gilles (probably more vital down the road, but also OL talent/depth)
Bloom (KR/PR/occasional deep threat)
That is some serious hard-on for the ALE/Lloyd combo if you think they had the best off-season going away.
the skins had a horrible pass rush and even worse 2 and 3 wr's and improved that greatly...its not always who you add but where you add them...ale might not be an all-pro but hes infinitely better than what they had and thats more important...the degree of IMPROVEMENT
the eagles needed wr's and lb's the most and did little to address either...howard is a good signing...i like the schoebel signing as well but they dont improve the eagles as much as the skins signings did for them
did the eagles have a great draft yes....is bunkley goping to be a player ever much less this year who knows....if bunkley is a player and has a big year (not a big rookie year) then that changes everything,...but for the most part you cant really count on rookies to really make your team substantially better...i dont see any eagle rookie being a game changer this year...tho i do love bunkley and he has an outside shot
again you can say that the skins overpaid for every last one of their free agents if you want but what you cant say is that they got better by getting those players
i dont even know what yous are arguing about really...i said the skins and eagles are both 10-6 teams right now...with a slight advantage going to the skins...does it pain you that much that i think the taterskins are a 'slightly' better team right now
for the record i said the same thing last year and got murdered for it
Ha! I tricked you into calling Randle-El "ale". I win!
BTW, Logan-El > Randle-El
ha
you = idiot
Yes, but I could still run a talent evaluation team better than Vinny Cerrato.
I think you have to assume the rookie that might make the biggest impact would be Bloom via PR. Hopefully, Bunkley will be a rotating DT and Walker/Patterson the starters, and Bunkley won't be wiped out by December (like Patterson).
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 09:08:13 AM
i just think hes a slept on signing...someone williams will have making plays all over the field
how about a wager as to who has more sacks carter vs howard
So Iggy's picking the Skins to win the division, what a shocker. ::)
I'll bet you 20 bucks right now that the Skins don't with the NFC East.
Quote from: shorebird on May 16, 2006, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 09:08:13 AM
i just think hes a slept on signing...someone williams will have making plays all over the field
how about a wager as to who has more sacks carter vs howard
So Iggy's picking the Skins to win the division, what a shocker. ::)
I'll bet you 20 bucks right now that the Skins don't with the NFC East.
That seems like a good bet for him to take, you're giving him 1-3 odds. :boo
I don't even know if Lloyd is better than Patten. Patten is an effective receiver if used correctly like in New England. Lloyd has shown he can make spectacular catches, but lose focus and miss easy ones. He's an ok receiver. From watching him pretty often I can say he's not that much better than Pinkston if at all. Lloyd has a much higher ceiling, but has yet to reach that point. Randle El as a receiver isn't as good as Gaffney, but he brings other elements to the table obviously. He's a good punt returner and they can add a few trick plays in. Big deal. He will contribute jack shtein to their passing game. Moss blew up to his career best season last year. Can he play like that again? Is he one of the game's best receivers now? We'll see, but it's a question mark. I'll just say going into the season he wasn't thought of as a top 20 receiver.
They have no pass rush, no QB, and their offensive line is nothing special. Man, people say the Eagles have questions marks. You are in trouble when the most important position on a team is a question mark with Brunell and Campbell. One position you don't want to have a question mark in is QB. The Eagles have the best QB in the NFC, and top 5 in the league.
The Cowboys? Everyone is talking about all of their "weapons". Their weapons exist 100% in the passing game. Jones is the worst starting RB in the division and was a disappointment last season after a promising rookie year. They have an average offensive line, the worst QB in the division. So, yeah, on paper the offense stands out with TO, Glenn, and Witten, but they have a question mark at RB and at QB. If Bledsoe falls apart they have absolutely no one to come in and fill in for them. Hell I'd take Jeff Garcia over Bledsoe in the right system. Bledsoe is a statue and he folds under pressure, and gets happy feet.
Their defense is decent, but it's nothing special. They added Ayodele, who's decent, and have Ware and Spears. Ware didn't turn out to be the second coming of LT in his first season like everyone was saying, and Spears played well, but he wasn't jaw-dropping. Their secondary is suspect, and they have no safeties. Their defense can be had. Again, everyone talks about the Eagles' question marks, but the Cowboys entire defense is banking on two second year players becoming pro bowlers.
The Giants? Eli Manning had a pretty good second season. Was up and down at times, but shtein his pants in the playoffs. As long as he has the blood of a Manning I'm going to bet he'll always choke in the big games, but that's an issue for another time. They have the best RB in the division, and a very good TE in Shockey. As for their receivers? I'm sorry, but the Giants have the worst receiving corps in the division, not the Eagles. I wouldn't take Plexiglass Burress on my team for free and Amani Toomer isn't the threat he used to be. Their slot guy is a rookie who is like 5'7. Their offensive line is suspect.
They have a very good defensive line with the best DE tandem in the league. They lost 2 DTs through free agency, and they've yet to address this to my knowledge. Strahan is getting older and Umenyiora has to prove that he's not a one year wonder. I don't think he is, but he has to come out and prove it. Their secondary sucks, even with their offseason additions, and they have good LBs.
Every team in this division has question marks. As far as I'm concerned the Eagles were the best team in the division last year, but just had a disaster of a season. Do the losses of Simon, and Burgess really make this team 7 games worse than 2004? I'm sorry, but no. The Eagles sucked last year because of McNabb's injury, distractions with TO, and a poor defensive effort. We had no pass rush and the secondary got eaten up.
The Eagles have addressed these issues. Looking at this team on paper it looks overall a better team than the 2004 Superbowl team. We are stronger at LB, stronger on the defensive line, better at TE, better on the offensive line. Plus we are a lot deeper as well. The only position you can argue is worse is WR. We don't have anyone close to TO's caliber(yet, Reggie can be that guy) but overall we have more talent spread around. Plus you I can even remind everyone that the team that went to the Superbowl didn't even have TO. Brown, Pinkston, Gaffney, and Avant is FAR better than Pinkston, Mitchell, and Lewis.
Do the Eagles have questions? Sure, but if you look at the whole division, everyone has questions. But the rest of the division has questions at more important positions than the Eagles.
I had a dream last night that Jeff Garcia was taking a snap from center in the 1st game of the season. The exchange was fumbled, the defense recovered, and the Eagles went down 7-0.
Let's just say that if Jeff Garcia is taking any snaps that early in the season, it's going to be a long and frustrating one.
So Iggy's picking the Skins to win the division, what a shocker
havent made my pick yet...but right now the skins are in front by a hair...but they could just as easily come in last in the division...hopefully you can wait until august for my official picks
That seems like a good bet for him to take, you're giving him 1-3 odds
actually its giving me a 25% chance....one i probably would not take with how close the division is...however i will bet eagles record vs skins...50-50 is more like it
Dallas sucks....just had to remind everyone of that ;D
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 17, 2006, 07:37:47 AM
I had a dream last night that Jeff Garcia was taking a snap from center in the 1st game of the season. The exchange was fumbled, the defense recovered, and the Eagles went down 7-0.
Let's just say that if Jeff Garcia is taking any snaps that early in the season, it's going to be a long and frustrating one.
I had a dream the other night Garcia hit Bloom on an 80 yard TD bomb in the preseason, but it was called back for holding.
I'm sure any plays on or off the field involving Garcia and Bloom would have a lot of holding.
Now, if it involves only their girlfriends.... hell yes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2006, 07:57:49 AM
So Iggy's picking the Skins to win the division, what a shocker
havent made my pick yet...but right now the skins are in front by a hair...but they could just as easily come in last in the division...hopefully you can wait until august for my official picks
...however i will bet eagles record vs skins...50-50 is more like it
So are you still waiting for August??
And yeah, I'll go $20 on the Eagles record vs. the Skins.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 17, 2006, 12:50:00 AM
I don't even know if Lloyd is better than Patten. Patten is an effective receiver if used correctly like in New England. Lloyd has shown he can make spectacular catches, but lose focus and miss easy ones. He's an ok receiver. From watching him pretty often I can say he's not that much better than Pinkston if at all. Lloyd has a much higher ceiling, but has yet to reach that point. Randle El as a receiver isn't as good as Gaffney, but he brings other elements to the table obviously. He's a good punt returner and they can add a few trick plays in. Big deal. He will contribute jack shtein to their passing game. Moss blew up to his career best season last year. Can he play like that again? Is he one of the game's best receivers now? We'll see, but it's a question mark. I'll just say going into the season he wasn't thought of as a top 20 receiver.
They have no pass rush, no QB, and their offensive line is nothing special. Man, people say the Eagles have questions marks. You are in trouble when the most important position on a team is a question mark with Brunell and Campbell. One position you don't want to have a question mark in is QB. The Eagles have the best QB in the NFC, and top 5 in the league.
The Cowboys? Everyone is talking about all of their "weapons". Their weapons exist 100% in the passing game. Jones is the worst starting RB in the division and was a disappointment last season after a promising rookie year. They have an average offensive line, the worst QB in the division. So, yeah, on paper the offense stands out with TO, Glenn, and Witten, but they have a question mark at RB and at QB. If Bledsoe falls apart they have absolutely no one to come in and fill in for them. Hell I'd take Jeff Garcia over Bledsoe in the right system. Bledsoe is a statue and he folds under pressure, and gets happy feet.
Their defense is decent, but it's nothing special. They added Ayodele, who's decent, and have Ware and Spears. Ware didn't turn out to be the second coming of LT in his first season like everyone was saying, and Spears played well, but he wasn't jaw-dropping. Their secondary is suspect, and they have no safeties. Their defense can be had. Again, everyone talks about the Eagles' question marks, but the Cowboys entire defense is banking on two second year players becoming pro bowlers.
The Giants? Eli Manning had a pretty good second season. Was up and down at times, but shtein his pants in the playoffs. As long as he has the blood of a Manning I'm going to bet he'll always choke in the big games, but that's an issue for another time. They have the best RB in the division, and a very good TE in Shockey. As for their receivers? I'm sorry, but the Giants have the worst receiving corps in the division, not the Eagles. I wouldn't take Plexiglass Burress on my team for free and Amani Toomer isn't the threat he used to be. Their slot guy is a rookie who is like 5'7. Their offensive line is suspect.
They have a very good defensive line with the best DE tandem in the league. They lost 2 DTs through free agency, and they've yet to address this to my knowledge. Strahan is getting older and Umenyiora has to prove that he's not a one year wonder. I don't think he is, but he has to come out and prove it. Their secondary sucks, even with their offseason additions, and they have good LBs.
Every team in this division has question marks. As far as I'm concerned the Eagles were the best team in the division last year, but just had a disaster of a season. Do the losses of Simon, and Burgess really make this team 7 games worse than 2004? I'm sorry, but no. The Eagles sucked last year because of McNabb's injury, distractions with TO, and a poor defensive effort. We had no pass rush and the secondary got eaten up.
The Eagles have addressed these issues. Looking at this team on paper it looks overall a better team than the 2004 Superbowl team. We are stronger at LB, stronger on the defensive line, better at TE, better on the offensive line. Plus we are a lot deeper as well. The only position you can argue is worse is WR. We don't have anyone close to TO's caliber(yet, Reggie can be that guy) but overall we have more talent spread around. Plus you I can even remind everyone that the team that went to the Superbowl didn't even have TO. Brown, Pinkston, Gaffney, and Avant is FAR better than Pinkston, Mitchell, and Lewis.
Do the Eagles have questions? Sure, but if you look at the whole division, everyone has questions. But the rest of the division has questions at more important positions than the Eagles.
You see, the problem with you establishing yourself as the local idiot is that no one is going to read this shtein, no matter how much thought you put into it or how accurate it is. In fact, I didn't read one word of it, I was just scrolling through the thread and noticed a farging novel and when I saw it was you, laughed and moved on. In other words, you're an idiot. Die.
The taterskins have a brutal 7 games in a row starting from Indy at week 7. By that time, Brunell will have his hand over his mouth on the sidelines calling in plays to the ever supreme Todd Collins. Although I like their secondary, thier OLB position and DL is very suspect outside of Phillip Daniels. Its unimaginable they end up with the record they had last year--no question
Quote from: rjs246 on June 07, 2006, 10:54:26 PM
You see, the problem with you establishing yourself as the local idiot is that no one is going to read this shtein, no matter how much thought you put into it or how accurate it is. In fact, I didn't read one word of it, I was just scrolling through the thread and noticed a farging novel and when I saw it was you, laughed and moved on. In other words, you're an idiot. Die.
You don't have the intelligence to read a post that long anyway.
Your fake emo attitude is boring by the way.
Although I like their secondary, thier OLB position and DL is very suspect outside of Phillip Daniels. Its unimaginable they end up with the record they had last year--no question
their DL is ten times better than their secondary
EMO? Dear god man, you have no idea what you're talking about.
he never does...youll get used to it
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 08, 2006, 08:39:32 AM
Although I like their secondary, thier OLB position and DL is very suspect outside of Phillip Daniels. Its unimaginable they end up with the record they had last year--no question
their DL is ten times better than their secondary
then you must be very upset with your defense. If you think a medicore Andre Carter, Joe Salave'a, Renaldo Wynn, Cornelius Griffin (who had half the tackles he had in his previous year) are 10 x's better than Taylor, Shawn Springs, Archuletta and an up and coming Rogers, then I think your misled
first off carter probably wont even start which shows its strength
griffin is a probowl type player
daniels had more sacks than kearse
salavea is a nice run stopper
wynn is eh
archuletta sucks balls
springs is done
rogers was terrible last year
taylor is all world
im not saying either unit is the best in the league or anything but the dline is clearly better
archuletta, no matter how biased you are against him is "10 times" better than Ryan Clark and gives them a much better look, and Springs is still a good cover corner/ great tackler as long as he stays healthy. That right there beats out your "nice" Salavea and "eh" Wynn. Your overestimating Griffin something fierce
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2006, 08:42:06 AM
EMO? Dear god man, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Angry at the world is the first symptom. Do you cut yourself?
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 08, 2006, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2006, 08:42:06 AM
EMO? Dear god man, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Angry at the world is the first symptom. Do you cut yourself?
Just because you're an idiot and your posts enrage me doesn't mean I'm angry at the world. I'm just angry at your stupidity and the knowledge that mongoloids like you have been given a tool like the internet to broadcast their idiocy.
:-D
Dude you are crazy.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2006, 03:12:31 PM
Just because you're an idiot and your posts enrage me doesn't mean I'm angry at the world. I'm just angry at your stupidity and the knowledge that mongoloids like you have been given a tool like the internet to broadcast their idiocy.
go listen to some death cab you emo nerd.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2006, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 08, 2006, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2006, 08:42:06 AM
EMO? Dear god man, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Angry at the world is the first symptom. Do you cut yourself?
Just because you're an idiot and your posts enrage me doesn't mean I'm angry at the world. I'm just angry at your stupidity and the knowledge that mongoloids like you have been given a tool like the internet to broadcast their idiocy.
You sir, will die a very angry man if that stuff gets you mad.
book it then--Ive never seen an angry grin on someones face at an open casket viewing, but theres always time for a first....unless of course he is cremated
Quote from: phattymatty on June 08, 2006, 03:51:08 PM
go listen to some death cab you emo nerd.
They were all ok attempts, but this one was the best.
rjs luvs him some emo. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moC-TXQJXTY&search=the%20emo%20song)
what is emo?
He's that little red muppet on Seasame Street. He writes poetry, wears girls pants, and kisses guys but swears he's straight.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 08, 2006, 09:48:26 PM
what is emo?
one of the better descriptions from urban dictionary.
An entire subculture of people (usually angsty teens) with a fake personality. The concept of Emo is actually a vicious cycle that never ends, to the utter failing of humanity, and it goes something like this:
1. Girls say they like "sensitive guys" (lie)
2. Guy finds out, so he listens to faggy emo music and dresses like a dork so chicks will see that he is sensitive and not afraid to express himself (lie). He dyes his hair black, wraps himself in a stupid looking scarf, develops an eating disorder, and rants about how "nobody understands".
3. Now an emo guy, he meets Emo chick and they start dating, talking about how their well-off suburban lifestyles are terrible and depressing (lie)
4. Emo guy is just too much of a Hoyda. His penis is too small, he's too depressed to bathe, and has more mood swings than emo chick, and he doesn't even have a menstrual cycle. Emo chick dumps him, saying "It's not you, it's me." (lie) as she drives off with Wayne, the school jock and captain of the football team.
5. Emo guy goes home and cries, proceeds to write a weak song and strum a single string on his acoustic guitar. Another emo chick sees how he is so in touch with his feelings, and the cycle continues.
This is the sad truth of the emo lifestyle/music, and now that I look at how pathetic it really is, maybe the emos DO have something to cry about!
ha...thats perfect
after reading i googled imaged emo and the pics were exactly what i thought
travesty
The East comes down to Dallas and Philly. It's all about the schedules!!!11!!1! (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/06/dallas-cowboys-afceast200606.html)
QuoteDallas and Philadelphia: The elite of the NFC East
By Andy Targovnik on June 20, 2006 02:19 AM
Two teams will compete for the NFC East title: The Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles .
Why won't the New York Giants contend? The 2005 Giants finished 11-5 and had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL including a ninth home game versus New Orleans, courtesy of Hurricane Katrina. They also played Arizona, St. Louis, Minnesota, San Francisco and Oakland. Compare those teams to some of their 2006 non-division opponents: Indianapolis, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Carolina and Atlanta. This year's schedule is a little harder wouldn't you say?
What's more, the Giants didn't play the Philadelphia Eagles until Week 10 last year; well after Philly was decimated by injuries and had given up on their season. The Giants showed their true colors when the Carolina Panthers wiped them all over the field in last year's playoffs. Big Blue simply hasn't improved enough to overcome the upgrade in their schedule.
The Washington taterskins 2006 schedule is also more difficult than their 2005 slate. But their bigger problem is that they are relying on an injury prone 36-year-old quarterback who is already hurt. If Mark Brunell goes down for any length of time during the season, either Jason Campbell or Todd Collins will call the signals. And like the Giants, the taterskins haven't upgraded their talent enough to offset their difficult schedule.
The Eagles, who have the easiest schedule in the division, will be the Cowboys' main competition. When Dallas travels to Philly in Week 5, the Eagles may very well be 4-0, thanks to games versus Houston, the Giants, San Francisco and Green Bay. Plus, not only has their offensive backfield recuperated from their 2005 injuries, but they've upgraded their offensive and defensive lines through the draft.
And the Dallas Cowboys ? Their schedule is tough, but easier than the Giants and taterskins. Moreover, America's team has improved in all facets: offense, defense and special teams.
How will the NFC East actually play out? Nobody knows. But as of early summer, the NFC East looks like a two team race.
Quote from: EagleFeva on June 22, 2006, 09:56:12 PM
The East comes down to Dallas and Philly. It's all about the schedules!!!11!!1! (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/06/dallas-cowboys-afceast200606.html)
QuoteDallas and Philadelphia: The elite of the NFC East
By Andy Targovnik on June 20, 2006 02:19 AM
Two teams will compete for the NFC East title: The Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles .
Why won't the New York Giants contend? The 2005 Giants finished 11-5 and had one of the easiest schedules in the NFL including a ninth home game versus New Orleans, courtesy of Hurricane Katrina. They also played Arizona, St. Louis, Minnesota, San Francisco and Oakland. Compare those teams to some of their 2006 non-division opponents: Indianapolis, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Carolina and Atlanta. This year's schedule is a little harder wouldn't you say?
What's more, the Giants didn't play the Philadelphia Eagles until Week 10 last year; well after Philly was decimated by injuries and had given up on their season. The Giants showed their true colors when the Carolina Panthers wiped them all over the field in last year's playoffs. Big Blue simply hasn't improved enough to overcome the upgrade in their schedule.
The Washington taterskins 2006 schedule is also more difficult than their 2005 slate. But their bigger problem is that they are relying on an injury prone 36-year-old quarterback who is already hurt. If Mark Brunell goes down for any length of time during the season, either Jason Campbell or Todd Collins will call the signals. And like the Giants, the taterskins haven't upgraded their talent enough to offset their difficult schedule.
The Eagles, who have the easiest schedule in the division, will be the Cowboys' main competition. When Dallas travels to Philly in Week 5, the Eagles may very well be 4-0, thanks to games versus Houston, the Giants, San Francisco and Green Bay. Plus, not only has their offensive backfield recuperated from their 2005 injuries, but they've upgraded their offensive and defensive lines through the draft.
And the Dallas Cowboys ? Their schedule is tough, but easier than the Giants and taterskins. Moreover, America's team has improved in all facets: offense, defense and special teams.
How will the NFC East actually play out? Nobody knows. But as of early summer, the NFC East looks like a two team race.
Thats what I am saying. farg Dallas, bring it! Yea baby!