2011 Philadelphia Phillies Season Thread (choking awful pos team, DIAF)

[Sgt PSN]

Until he proves otherwise, Utley shall no longer be referred to as Grit.  His new name is The Free Pass.

[Sgt PSN]

ps love see another excuse me half swing pop out to LF for grit. hes awesome at those.

Hmm....maybe Captain Checkswing?

[MDS]

he does that all the time, but hes actually got a terrific obp for someone who is so clearly not quite ready to be playing.

re-start the carlos queintin trade rumors NOW

[PhillyPhreak54]

I love how when he slaps at a bad ball and hits a routine fly ball he runs so hard to 1B - so gritty

[Don Ho]

Until he proves otherwise, Utley shall no longer be referred to as Grit.  His new name is The Free Pass.

Fine with us, just explain it to lurking weirdo.

[ice grillin you]

Until he proves otherwise, Utley shall no longer be referred to as Grit.  His new name is The Free Pass.

the whole origin of GRIT is facetious....hes never done anything wrong because hes so GRITty....his fielding went from awful to solid but you would have thought he was the best fielding second basemen in the majors because hes so GRITlicious...when he came back this year he might have started out 2-26 but his GRIT willed the offense to all of a sudden become good....

where are these farging dumbasses who credited him for bringin the offense alive because by nothing more than pure coincidence they scored a few runs right around the time he came back...well now he sucks and so has the offense for all but like two of the games since his return...where are those idiots now?

[Eagles_Legendz]

Until he proves otherwise, Utley shall no longer be referred to as Grit.  His new name is The Free Pass.

the whole origin of GRIT is facetious....hes never done anything wrong because hes so GRITty....his fielding went from awful to solid but you would have thought he was the best fielding second basemen in the majors because hes so GRITlicious...when he came back this year he might have started out 2-26 but his GRIT willed the offense to all of a sudden become good....

where are these farging dumbasses who credited him for bringin the offense alive because by nothing more than pure coincidence they scored a few runs right around the time he came back...well now he sucks and so has the offense for all but like two of the games since his return...where are those idiots now?

not an utley apologist, and it doesn't really matter, but people who use defensive fielding statistics state pretty unequivocally that utley has been the best defensive 2B the last 5 or so years.

[ice grillin you]

watching games > sabremetrics

[Eagles_Legendz]

Meh, I'm not going to pretend to know enough about someone's defensive capabilities beyond what I can see, but he has been one of the best fielders at any position according to them.  I think people who rely solely on anything related to sabermetrics are limiting themselves, but those who dismiss them out of hand are equally short sighted.  But I'm also pretty sure this conversation has been had around here before once or twice.

We'll agree that Utley has a crowd of apologists who refuse to cast criticism on him when it's deserved and that he's a good fielder.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Sabremetrics anger me.

farg a VORP and Zone Ranting and whatever other bullshtein the computer nerds come up with

[ice grillin you]

dont get me wrong i think hes a fine fielder and i give him credit for improving himself....but the adulation that got heaped on him for imporving himself and for how good a fielder he is in general was ridiculous

[MDS]

Tonight's lineup vs. CHI: Rollins SS, Victorino CF, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, Polanco 3B, Ibanez LF, Brown RF, Ruiz C, Halladay P.

chuckles finally listened to me and went with the lineup i suggest way back in april. watch this be the magical formula for success.

[Rome]

LOL

Polly is if not the best 2-hole hitter in MLB he's top three, so sure, hitting him farging 5th is chollyriffic.

[Munson]

Yeah but he's also the only guy in the line up that can provide any protection for howard at this point. At least until dom brown becomes more consistent

[Sgt PSN]

Yeah, I know I've thrown that lineup out there too.  Victorino batting 5th is a farging joke.