07/08 Phillies Offseason Thread

[Wingspan]

It's fairly obvious that you are saying this looking at the records alone.

How else should I look at it? 

Cholly's been the manager for three years and had winning records just like Ozark.  They've yet to win a postseason game in his tenure whereas Ozark's teams routinely butchered away entire series in the playoffs.  He's a horrible tactical manager like Ozark.  He's a "players" manager like Ozark was.  His teams underachieved like Ozark's.

On and on it goes...

Ok, and how exactly is that "stark contrast" in ownership groups? As icee stated?

[ice grillin you]

Ownership reluctantly replaced Ozark with Dallas Green

thats the whole point...they made a difficult concious decision to make a change that in the end would be better for the team....something that the current leadership is incapable of doing

[Wingspan]

Ownership reluctantly replaced Ozark with Dallas Green

thats the whole point...they made a difficult concious decision to make a change that in the end would be better for the team....something that the current leadership is incapable of doing

Yeah...6.5 seasons after they hired the guy.

Stark contrast indeed.

[ice grillin you]

ozark was coming off three straight division titles had won playoff games and had multiple 100+ win teams and they still canned him...manuel has only made the playoffs once in a fluke year has never won even 90 games and got swept by a wild card team and they kept him...that to me is a stark contrast

[Seabiscuit36]

Danny Ozark likes to blow trannies

[Wingspan]

ozark was coming off three straight division titles had won playoff games and had multiple 100+ win teams and they still canned him...manuel has only made the playoffs once in a fluke year has never won even 90 games and got swept by a wild card team and they kept him...that to me is a stark contrast

He was canned in the middle of the season when it was pretty clear they weren't winning the division. This after getting Pete Rose in the 78/79 offseason.

He was not canned the year after his first playoff appearance and then subsequent 3-0 sweep in the playoffs. (Which was the case for both managers)

[ice grillin you]

well if manuel is fired during next season then you can say its not a stark contrast and id agree...right now it mos def is

[Wingspan]

Sure thing, icee.

[ice grillin you]

actually thinking about it even more....because charlie hasnt been even close to successful as ozark was...even if they did fire him next year it would be case of should have done that six months ago when people like larussa and torre were around vs being any kind of similarity to what happened to ozark

[Rome]

The fact that Tony LaRussa or Joe Torre might be available and the Phillies automatically jumped the gun and signed a queef like Charlie Manuel tells you all you need to know about this ownership and management group.

[Seabiscuit36]

Charlie did a great job motivating a team that was injured all year.  He sucks at managing a game but does seem to do well as a motivator.  What they need is a bench coach who can make all of the decisions that this team needs in a game, honestly Charlie would be best at being a bench coach but thats not going to happen

[SunMo]

charlie maxes out his potential as a hitter instructor, not even a bench coach

[Rome]

Charlie did a great job motivating a team that was injured all year.  He sucks at managing a game but does seem to do well as a motivator.  What they need is a bench coach who can make all of the decisions that this team needs in a game, honestly Charlie would be best at being a bench coach but thats not going to happen

If the Phillies wanted a motivator they should have hired Tony Robbins.  What they need is a baseball manager and Cholly's about as qualified in that capacity as Rosie O'Donnell is as a swimsuit model.

[ice grillin you]

*broken record alert*

there are managers out there that can properly manage AND motivate a baseball team

*broken record alert*

[PhillyPhanInDC]

Rosie O'Donnell has huge cans.