QuoteWith Heckert heading to Cleveland, Roseman will become Philly G.M.
Posted by Mike Florio on January 10, 2010 10:17 PM ET
On Friday, we reported that Eagles G.M. Tom Heckert was expected to jump into a lateral position with the Browns "soon."
"Soon" turned out to be two days.
Per the Associated Press, Heckert has accepted the job and will work for Browns president Mike Holmgren, and with Browns coach Eric Mangini.
Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Eagles V.P. of player personnel Howie Roseman is expected to become the team's General Manager.
The Eagles have been bracing for Heckert's departure for two years; in early 2008, owner Jeffrey Lurie recommended Heckert to Falcons owner Arthur Blank.
In Cleveland, Holmgren apparently has final say over all football matters, with Heckert and Mangini presumably reporting not to each other but to Holmgren directly.
Then again, if Holmgren's decision to keep Mangini entailed forcing Mangini to place and keep his tail between his legs, it's possible that Mangini will report to Heckert, and that Heckert will report to Holmgren.
I think I just heard Havas' head explode.
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A nugget of info that I found out...
Howie Roseman ran last year's draft.
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More on it.
QuoteEagles' Heckert apparently headed to Cleveland
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer
ARLINGTON, Texas - The Eagles returned to Cowboys Stadium last night for their first-round playoff game against Dallas, but general manager Tom Heckert did not accompany them.
That's because Heckert is about to become general manager of the Cleveland Browns, opening the door for Howie Roseman to replace him.
Attempts to reach Heckert yesterday were unsuccessful, but a team source indicated that multiple reports about the general manager's decision to take the job in Cleveland were correct. The source said as of yesterday afternoon that Heckert had not officially notified the Eagles of his departure.
Heckert, 42, will likely have a role in Cleveland similar to the one he has had with the Eagles. Since joining the team in 2002, Heckert had been Andy Reid's top personnel adviser, but the head coach always had final say in the team's draft and free-agent moves.
The final say in Cleveland will belong to Reid's mentor, Mike Holmgren, who returned to the NFL last week as the Browns' president. Heckert grew up rooting for the Browns because his father, Tom Sr., was a scout for the team in the early 1980s.
During Heckert's tenure in Philadelphia, the Eagles won four NFC East titles, and went to four NFC championship games and one Super Bowl. His first draft, in 2002, when he did not yet have the title of GM, produced Pro Bowlers Brian Westbrook, Lito Sheppard, and Michael Lewis, as well as cornerback Sheldon Brown.
Fourteen of the Eagles' 22 starters last night were drafted during Heckert's tenure, and three others were undrafted free agents signed on his watch.
Heckert had interviewed with several teams over the last four years, including Cleveland last year, but he pulled out of consideration after the Browns hired Eric Mangini as their head coach.
What was different this time?
Perhaps the fact that Heckert was in the final year of his contract and Howie Roseman's influence in the personnel department has been on the rise the last two years.
Roseman joined the Eagles in 2000 as staff counsel and salary-cap manager and was promoted to director of football administration in 2003, with the title of vice president added in 2006. A team source indicated that Roseman is in line to be the next GM.
In 2006, he started to become more involved in the personnel side of things and was instrumental in the Eagles' free-agent signing of Juqua Parker, who has been a starting defensive end the last three seasons.
After the Eagles fired Jason Licht, who was hired by Heckert, from the personnel department after the 2007 season, Roseman was promoted to vice president of football administration. According to the media guide, Roseman manages the college scouting staff, organizes and runs draft meetings, and serves as a scout for the top college prospects.
Pretty soon, Roseman is going to have the title of general manager.
Excellent. They got a guy for GM because he's a bean counting cap manager, probably going into a season without a cap.
suck dick
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2010, 10:52:17 PM
A nugget of info that I found out...
Howie Roseman ran last year's draft.
classic eagles spin
you dont think its coincidence that this "came out" an hour after heckert leaves and a couple hours before roseman is named gm
Quote from: KDS on January 10, 2010, 10:51:04 PM
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Look test?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2010, 06:30:02 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2010, 10:52:17 PM
A nugget of info that I found out...
Howie Roseman ran last year's draft.
classic eagles spin
you dont think its coincidence that this "came out" an hour after heckert leaves and a couple hours before roseman is named gm
I knew about it months ago.
This team becomes easier and easier to dislike by the minute.
if it were even close to true that would be gigantic news and it would have easily gotten out not just all over the net but in the newspapers as well...it would have been out before the draft in fact...a professional football team cant have one guy secretly run something as huge as an entiore draft.....it ludicrous to even think about it
trust me its another classic example of eagles spin
you dont actually believe the eagles had a ghost drafter do you phreak?...please tell me you dont
lol @ this pathetic excuse for a franchise.
and double lol @ mds's new screen name and the photo he posted in this thread.
it's a self portrait.
Heckert:
Quote"I want to thank Randy Lerner and Mike Holmgren for this tremendous opportunity. I also want to thank Jeffrey Lurie, Andy Reid and Joe Banner for an outstanding nine-year run with a first-class organization. It was the Eagles who allowed me to climb the NFL personnel ladder, and I am proud of what we were able to accomplish there. I will always have fond memories of my stay in Philadelphia. I am eager to get started with the Browns, a team for which my father worked and that I rooted for growing up. Working alongside some of the most experienced and successful people in this business in Mike, Eric Mangini and Bryan, I believe we have the foundation in place to re-establish the Browns as one of the top franchises in the NFL."
just out of curiosity, what is it about that statement that warranted the bold text?
i was wondering the same thing but easy does strange stuff all the time and ive learned not to question it
haha
easy being easy
it's best not to question ed's system
was just highlighting the Eagles stuff and how he left because he wanted to manage his favorite team growing up (not that it was the only reason why he wanted to get outta here ASAP). No mocking (yet)...
I wonder if Heckert will poach Howie Roseman for their FO
This was made official today....and according to Roob....after my "Yay for accountants being named GMs of NFL teams!" sarcasm on his FB update....
"this accountant was responsible for your team drafting jeremy maclin and lesean mccoy, samantha"
I responded with..."if you say so....."
lol
Can't keep thinking of the Family Guy episode "I need a Jew".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO8T4SNE2xE&feature=related
its seriously sad how hard they are trying to portray him as some personnel guru
12 months ago he was a salary cap numbers guy then as this announcement started to approach the PR campaign began and out of nowhere he all of sudden ran last years draft
its so infuriating...of all things the eagles have ever done this easily make me the most mad
It's absurd on its face anyway. If they had a GM in place, why would they let Roseman run the draft? It doesn't make any sense. 'Hey I don't feel like doing the draft this year, I'll let that guy do it instead.' Never happened. What a crock of shtein.
Agreed. But Roob is not a shill for the FO. He isn't even an Eagles fan and he looks for reasons to put them down.
That is why I'm conflicted about what to believe in his comment to me..
Quote from: rjs246 on January 29, 2010, 11:38:33 AM
It's absurd on its face anyway. If they had a GM in place, why would they let Roseman run the draft? It doesn't make any sense. 'Hey I don't feel like doing the draft this year, I'll let that guy do it instead.' Never happened. What a crock of shtein.
exactly....heckert would have quit that very day if they had done that to him...only banner inc could with a straight face spin this the way they currently are
its hilarious too because all this time they keep saying roseman has "been with the team since 2000"...but they leave out the fact that he has done absolutely nothing PP related until THIS senior bowl...i cant wait until the introductory presser to hear them completely lie about his PP history
i wonder if hes going to say hes 11/13 in making the playoffs like heckert did at his browns gm press conference
Thank goodness. The suspense was killing me.
I just cant understand how this guy doesnt have to pay his dues like the rest of the low level scouts. I mean, how much respect these other scouts have for the guy now that he got promoted will be a big question and "could" affect this draft.
not to mention, I cant wait to see how he runs the picks from rounds 3 and up and his justification for it. If he surprises-fine, but this guy has some serious serious ground to cover.
yeah, for an organization that has from day 1, been run on the philosophy that you build your team in the draft, makes this decision quite baffling. if they were heavy players in free agency every year, maybe it make a little more sense because when it comes to spending money and balancing the books, 2 jews are better than 1. in other words, this guy should be the taterskins gm.
I can't see how anyone here is disappointed with this move.
I mean, dude's name is HOWIE, for God's sake.
Look test = Passssssssssssssssssssssss!
just goes to show in the NFL it's not what you know, it's who you blow.
The worst that can happen is he drafts horrible players, gets more pissy than Banner about players asking for money, and signs nobody in the offseason. I'm pretty sure that would get Andy fired. You know, eventually. Maybe before he needs a triple bypass.
I'm more worried about him poisoning our wells.
So this is this guys first draft and Reid isn't even going to the Senior Bowl? I could understand if he was coaching the probowl again Fat
Roseman's ears are stationed on Wallops Island on the offseason by the NSA
Detective roseman is on the case in a "preliminary investigation" to get two low round picks for departed free agents.
Crack the case howie! Solve the mystery of the missing sixth round picks!
lol the eagles hired phil savage to hold howies hand during the upcoming nfl draft
very smart move but its ridiculous that it was necessary in the first place
scary part is... since 2005 when Savage was in charge you wont find one "significant" name in their draft after rd 2 except for Harrison
hold his hand tight howie
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Geez, look at those lily whites. Looks like he's never worked with anything in his hands heavier than a pencil.
Quote from: reese125 on February 04, 2010, 02:00:44 PM
scary part is... since 2005 when Savage was in charge you wont find one "significant" name in their draft after rd 2 except for Harrison
hold his hand tight howie
He signed Cribbs as a UDFA.
why do i feel like i am watching a low budget re-make of wall street when it comes to the eagles front office ?
Hahahahaha. Die. (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12133/how-i-see-it-nfc-east-stock-watch-15)
QuoteRising
Howie Roseman, new Eagles' general manager: I think it was smart to lock up fullback Leonard Weaver and wide receiver Jason Avant early in free agency. Why take a chance on someone trying to sign them to an offer sheet. I also think that Saints restricted free agent Mike Bell could be an excellent change-of-pace back to LeSean McCoy. The Eagles need someone who can convert in goal-line situations. The Super Bowl aside, Bell has been a solid runner at the goal-line and he could help the Eagles in other short-yardage situations. I also think Marlin Jackson was a good risk at free safety. He's a 26-year-old player coming off an ACL injury. There's certainly a risk involved, but he'll end up being a steal if he can restore order to the position opposite Quintin Mikell. And no matter who made the decision, it was time to move on without former Pro Bowler Shawn Andrews. Now we'll continue the quarterback watch. If the right deal comes along, I think Roseman will want to take a long look. With Andy Reid having final say, it's hard to know who's pulling the trigger on these deals. But from what I'm hearing, Roseman's been very assertive in his new role.
You know, as I'm sitting here thinking about this, the whole Howie Roseman charade is actually sort of brilliant.
Reid makes all, or almost all, of the personnel decisions. But he also has to coach these clowns and if he is seen as the guy dumping all of their veterans he may encounter some tough times with his players. Bring in a new puppet GM and shower praise on him for all of the smart moves he's making to re-build the team with some youth and suddenly Reid is not so much to blame as 'the new GM who wants to make his mark on the team.'
Whatever, I'm probably over-thinking this, but after a decade of Andy Reid chopping veterans from the roster, the players have to start getting a little leery of him. Seems like the Howie Roseman distraction could be used to alleviate potential player / coach conflicts.
I don't see it as a grudge towards Reid with any of these players.
I think its pretty cut and dry and the players expectations are already set when they come in.
This is how we do business. You hit 30+ expect to be released at any given time.
Since taking over, the Eagles have cut $96M...
i am clinging to the internal rift theory in hopes it results in reid getting shtien canned.
this will also work for andy with the donovan situation if/when they trade him. andy puts the public spin that donovan is his qb and he wants him here. behind closed doors, he and joe and howie decide to trade him. when he's traded, andy acts like there was nothing he could do and the decision was made by the two butt buddies.
the next time andy reid publically disagrees with banner inc will be the first
well andy already said donovan is his quarterback and banner said that they haven't evaluated that yet
thats completely different than donovan leaving then andy coming out and saying publically he wished he was still here
i just cant ever see a scenario where banner inc would make up a fake rift btwn andy and them....the firestorm amongst the media and fans would be incredible if that happened
anyway why would andy need to publically support donovan if he left...the fans by and large want him gone and if hes worried about donovan being upset he can internally tell him what the deal was
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 19, 2010, 12:32:53 PM
the next time andy reid publically disagrees with banner inc will be the first
that would never happen.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A0PDlNIjIrJL2XwAlCpDubYF?slug=ms-trippintuesday033010
QuoteHowie Roseman has a problem. In his third month on the job, the young, ambitious general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles wants to make a name for himself by trading quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes), one of the most productive players in franchise history – and getting a sweet deal in return.
Now, having failed to command the copious bounty on which he has quietly insisted, Roseman is confronting a harsh reality: Some rival NFL executives view him as a shakedown artist and are prone to hitting "ignored" every time he rings their cell phones.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy about the new GM.
Does anyone really believe that Howie Roseman is orchestrating anything? Reid is the one running this show.
Passover...maybe
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 31, 2010, 12:19:22 AM
Does anyone really believe that Howie Roseman is orchestrating anything? Reid is the one running this show.
i 100% believe howie is running the show...with reid input of course...but howie obviously is super power hungry and has the backing of the most important guy in the company...reid didnt jump howie over licht...reid didnt jump howie over heckert...banner along with his fellow nerd orchestrated all that and are clearely in charge now...again i think reid has substantial input...i mean of course he does...but theres no question banner inc is running this shtein...in fact i wouldnt be surprised to see reid not finish his current contract out...especially if this draft isnt run the way he wants it to be
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 31, 2010, 12:19:22 AM
Does anyone really believe that Howie Roseman is orchestrating anything?
along with banner, no doubt at all. but not to worry, we're in good hands.
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lurie needs to grow a sack and take control of HIS team...it was bad enough when they promoted roseman now this is beyond embarrassment
QuotePerfect partners for McNabb trade
By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
Howie Roseman has a problem. In his third month on the job, the young, ambitious general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles wants to make a name for himself by trading quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes), one of the most productive players in franchise history – and getting a sweet deal in return.
Now, having failed to command the copious bounty on which he has quietly insisted, Roseman is confronting a harsh reality: Some rival NFL executives view him as a shakedown artist and are prone to hitting "ignored" every time he rings their cell phones. And everyone in the world knows he's desperate to dump McNabb, who at this point would have a very hard time feeling the brotherly love if he were to return to Philly.
In other words: Al Davis, please pick up the white courtesy telephone.
I'm not saying the Oakland Raiders will yield to the Eagles' earlier demand for a first-round pick in exchange for McNabb – it's far more plausible that Oakland will give up its second-round selection, the 39th overall pick, a move that would allow Roseman to save face. I like to think Davis isn't foolish enough to part with star cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha(notes), who has been rumored to be included in trade talks between the teams.
Yet if there's a franchise out there that would reach to acquire a 33-year-old quarterback with one year (and $10 million) left on his contract – and who might cost another $20 million to franchise in 2011 if an extension couldn't be worked out – it's the one which recently earned the distinction of becoming the first NFL team to suffer seven consecutive seasons with 11 or more defeats.
If the Raiders, who deny being in talks with the Eagles, are smart (cue laugh track), they'll sit back and make Roseman squirm and wait for Philly's price to go down. While not as clumsy as the Broncos' Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders were in their mishandling of the Jay Cutler(notes) situation a year ago, Roseman, coach Andy Reid and the Eagles' other powerbrokers have made the mistake of alienating their most visible player before successfully engineering his exit, allowing an awkward situation to fester.
I'll say this for McDaniels and Xanders: At least they salvaged the situation last April by landing a blockbuster package from the Bears in exchange for the then-25-year-old Cutler.
Similarly, Roseman is hoping for some silver-and-black salvation.
There's a lot at stake for the 34-year-old lawyer who joined the Eagles a decade ago as a salary-cap specialist. [/b] Though the decision to trade McNabb was hardly his unilateral call – Reid has long been a staunch advocate for Kevin Kolb and pushed for the franchise to select the former Houston quarterback in the second round of the 2007 draft; certainly, the coach is on board with the timing of the succession plan – Roseman is the guy trying to prove to the rest of the league that he belongs.
He's the newly called-up hotshot attempting to show that he can hit a big-league fastball, and he's looking for the pitch he can hit out of the park, rather than simply trying to make contact.
Roseman's rise reflects the changing power dynamic in the Eagles' organization. Five years ago, when Philly was coming off a Super Bowl season (and four consecutive NFC championship game appearances), Reid was among the NFL's most influential coaches. At the very least, he seemed to wield about the same degree of authority as team president Joe Banner, a longtime lieutenant of owner Jeffrey Lurie.
But the Eagles missed the playoffs in two of the next three seasons, and early in '07 Reid took a month-long leave of absence to tend to legal issues involving two of his sons, each of whom faced drug charges in separate cases. At that point, according to sources familiar with the team's front office, Banner became the unquestioned Big Cheese(steak), with Roseman, his protegé, getting increasingly involved in football-related matters.
Two offseasons ago Roseman, then the team's vice president of football administration, prevailed in a power struggle over player personnel VP Jason Licht, a close ally of general manager Tom Heckert. Licht was fired and succeeded by Roseman, a clear sign to Heckert and Reid that their influence had waned.
Reid helped Licht land with the Cardinals (he has since joined the Patriots as their director of pro personnel) and, this past January, smoothed Heckert's departure to Cleveland, where he became the Browns' GM under newly hired team president Mike Holmgren, a close friend of Reid's. Roseman took over for Heckert as Philly's GM, just in time to start what was then a silent auction for McNabb.
If Roseman had been less demanding, league sources say, he might have been able to swing a trade before the team's intentions became so conspicuous. Instead, Reid essentially announced to the football-watching universe at last week's league meetings that he would field trade offers for McNabb after having insisted for months that the veteran quarterback would return for the 2010 season. Awkward.
Roseman, who prides himself on his business acumen, seems to be on a mission to prove how shrewd he is to his peers. So far, it's not going over especially well. The Cardinals, sources say, backed out of early discussions for McNabb because Roseman's demands were so exorbitant. Another team's general manager said Roseman was similarly "unrealistic" when shopping disgruntled cornerback Sheldon Brown(notes) earlier this offseason.
"That's where I think ego gets in the way," the GM said. "Quite a few teams are quickly realizing that they don't want to do business with Philly. With McNabb, I think [Roseman's] trying to be too smart for his own good. Instead of trying to put a feather in his cap by walking way with a lopsided trade, which you rarely get in this league, he should try to get a legitimate deal done. In the long run, you don't want to be known as the guy who wants to bamboozle people. I think they're being unrealistic, and it's putting them in a funky spot."
At this point, the Eagles don't have a lot of stellar options. They can wait until just before the draft, when teams are the most motivated to swing a deal and try to get whatever they can for McNabb; they can do nothing and go into the season with three quarterbacks (McNabb, Kolb and Michael Vick(notes)) whose contracts expire after 2010 and try to come up with a creative way to keep the situation from imploding; or they can pray for Davis to come to the rescue in all his delusional splendor.
The latter scenario isn't all that far-fetched, as odious as McNabb might regard it to be. Last September, Davis sent a first-round pick to the Patriots for Richard Seymour, a soon-to-be-30-year-old defensive lineman with a history of knee problems and a season left on his contract. Seymour was so thrilled that he waited a week to report to Oakland. The Raiders retained his services for 2010 by applying the franchise tag.
Rather than trying to rebuild his flawed team through a series of sound, methodical moves, the 80-year-old Davis seems to be grasping for a quick fix that will allow him a redemptive taste of glory. Despite his deep investment, both financial and emotional, in quarterback JaMarcus Russell(notes), the No. 1 overall pick of the '07 draft, Davis might be tempted to entrust his anemic offense to McNabb, a five-time Pro Bowl selection.
If Davis gives up a premium pick – or Asomugha, a 28-year-old shutdown corner – to keep the dream alive, it will be a move that reeks of desperation. In that sense, he and Roseman are perfect trade partners.
As another Bay Area icon, Jerry Garcia, once sang one man gathers what another man spills.
Napoleon complex
You really have to love that this guy has literally pissed off the entire NFL in just a few months, and is seen universally outside of Banner's eyes as an cutthroat ahole who doesnt care for anyone but himself. Well done..Gold Standard
QuoteWith McNabb, I think [Roseman's] trying to be too smart for his own good.
Perfect fit for the Eagles. I'm assuming - since you never farging know with this team - that they're letting Roseman do the trade and f/a negotiations while Reid has the final say on any deal. The one attribute I liked about Heckert was he seemed like a pretty decent guy, not some smug jew.
Quote from: Dalton on March 31, 2010, 09:13:08 AM
QuoteWith McNabb, I think [Roseman's] trying to be too smart for his own good.
Perfect fit for the Eagles. I'm assuming - since you never farging know with this team - that they're letting Roseman do the trade and f/a negotiations while Reid has the final say on any deal. The one attribute I liked about Heckert was he seemed like a pretty decent guy, not some smug jew.
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Quote"That's where I think ego gets in the way," the GM said. "Quite a few teams are quickly realizing that they don't want to do business with Philly. With McNabb, I think [Roseman's] trying to be too smart for his own good. Instead of trying to put a feather in his cap by walking way with a lopsided trade, which you rarely get in this league, he should try to get a legitimate deal done. In the long run, you don't want to be known as the guy who wants to bamboozle people. I think they're being unrealistic, and it's putting them in a funky spot."
cant believe you bolded this. actually any of it. this shtein reads like a People/Star magazine article my wife reads. One gm said, a team source said, a person speaking of anonymity.... cmon man.
Quote from: Dalton on March 31, 2010, 09:13:08 AM
QuoteWith McNabb, I think [Roseman's] trying to be too smart for his own good.
Perfect fit for the Eagles. I'm assuming - since you never farging know with this team - that they're letting Roseman do the trade and f/a negotiations while Reid has the final say on any deal. The one attribute I liked about Heckert was he seemed like a pretty decent guy, not some smug jew.
easy there mel.
Quote from: reese125 on March 31, 2010, 09:17:23 AM
Quote"That's where I think ego gets in the way," the GM said. "Quite a few teams are quickly realizing that they don't want to do business with Philly. With McNabb, I think [Roseman's] trying to be too smart for his own good. Instead of trying to put a feather in his cap by walking way with a lopsided trade, which you rarely get in this league, he should try to get a legitimate deal done. In the long run, you don't want to be known as the guy who wants to bamboozle people. I think they're being unrealistic, and it's putting them in a funky spot."
cant believe you bolded this. actually any of it. this shtein reads like a People/Star magazine article my wife reads. One gm said, a team source said, a person speaking of anonymity.... cmon man.
could you know any less about journalism...try reading the waspo ny times or even sports illustrated...all the presidents men is a journalism for dummies good start as well
or if you only believe in attributable quotes maybe dont ever read anything again...thats not how it works
not to mention im assuming you have no idea who michael silver is
Quote
Michael Silver, a senior writer for Sports Illustrated, joined the magazine in November 1994. He is one of SI's lead pro football writers, having authored the magazine's past 12 Super Bowl game stories. He also regularly pens in-depth profiles of some of the most intriguing characters in sports. He has bonded with subjects ranging from NBA bad boy Dennis Rodman to NFL choirboy Kurt Warner, co-authoring books with each. He has also hit the town with tennis vixen Anna Kournikova, rap legend Luke Campbell and heartthrob quarterback Tom Brady, among others. He is believed to be the first outside sports journalist to have entered New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, accompanying Saints running back Deuce McAllister into the heart of the city for a story on the team's displacement in the wake of the disaster.
Silver's first book, "Rice," with NFL receiving great Jerry Rice, came out in 1996, followed by collaborations with Rodman ("Walk on the Wild Side") and Warner ("All Things Possible"). His latest work, "Golden Girl," (Rodale Press, 2006) details the arduous journey of 2004 Olympic swimming champion Natalie Coughlin. He has also written articles for Rolling Stone and GQ.
Prior to joining the magazine, Silver was a sports writer and columnist for the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, where he covered the 49ers and Golden State Warriors from 1990-94. He also covered the 49ers for the Sacramento Union and served as a correspondent for Pro Football Weekly and The Sporting News. Silver, who lists pro football, pro basketball, tennis and college softball as his favorite sports to cover, has received numerous writing awards from several organizations, including the Pro Football Writers of America, the Associated Press Sports Editors and the Pro Basketball Writers of America.
I dont care if hes stephen king...unnecessary to bold that. and I cant believe you just gave me his bio
peter king genius
and im just trying to drop jewels on the dome....but per usual i see its of no use...if you dont wanna believe anything you read unless every single item in the article names a source than so be it...thats your perogative
but like i said dont expect to read much journalistic writing in the future
That column is just one of a gazillion reasons season tickets aren't our property anymore.
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this aint ever gonna change until more people stand up like pg and dont give banner inc his $. so long as he sells out every game and ratings are through the roof, hes ego is gonna get bigger and hes just gonna keep hiring his nerd buddies for football positions.
im in fo life no matter who is running the team
id rather go to watch the philadelphia eagles owned by glenn beck than not go at all
If Reid really isn't running the show, then Roseman was the one doing the drafting last year? If that is the case let the accountant handle that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2010, 01:03:00 PM
im in fo life no matter who is running the team
id rather go to watch the philadelphia eagles owned by glenn beck than not go at all
My SBL is gone if Barnie Frank owns the team
Quote from: fansince61 on March 31, 2010, 01:24:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2010, 01:03:00 PM
im in fo life no matter who is running the team
id rather go to watch the philadelphia eagles owned by glenn beck than not go at all
My SBL is gone if Barnie Frank owns the team
thats because zeloutry and hate is much more powerful than love....unfortunately
sometimes the ones you love need help and need to a learn a lesson. sometimes falling down can help them recognize that its not alright to hire accountants as general managers and treat their customers like dogs.
Quote from: KDS on March 31, 2010, 01:00:51 PM
this aint ever gonna change until more people stand up like pg and dont give banner inc his $.
:-D
Quote from: KDS on March 31, 2010, 02:04:33 PM
sometimes the ones you love need help and need to a learn a lesson. sometimes falling down can help them recognize that its not alright to hire accountants as general managers and treat their customers like dogs.
its funny i never hear people who actually have season tickets say things like this
because YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
don't season ticket holders fill up less than half of the stadium? regardless, single game ticket buyers are just as "guilty" as season ticket holders.....probably even more so because if you think about it, there are season ticket holders out there who have had their tickets since leonard tose....maybe even earlier. and there's definitely A LOT of season ticket holders who already had their seats when lurie bought the team.
i don't fault anyone who doesn't want to buy single game tickets as a means of protest. but giving up season tickets, especially if they're tickets that have been in your family for a long time just so you can take the moral high road and try to prove a point is farging retarded.
that said, if any of you season ticket holders decide to take the moral high road, pm me the amount you want for your seats.
Quote from: KDS on March 31, 2010, 02:33:09 PM
because YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
are you really trying to justify giving up season tickets ?
Quote from: KDS on March 31, 2010, 02:33:09 PM
because YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
if its a problem to eat all kinds mammal drink another lobe off my liver get dope ass beats and hang out with good friends all fall then i dont have enough problems
you on the other hand are willing to give up eagle tickets you dont have from brownsville texas
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 31, 2010, 03:17:06 PM
don't season ticket holders fill up less than half of the stadium? regardless, single game ticket buyers are just as "guilty" as season ticket holders.....probably even more so because if you think about it, there are season ticket holders out there who have had their tickets since leonard tose....maybe even earlier.
got my ticket from my dad who 1st bouhgt tickets in 76.
Quotebut giving up season tickets, especially if they're tickets that have been in your family for a long time just so you can take the moral high road and try to prove a point is farging retarded.
truth. i may have missed watching a world series game for a tesla concert, which btw i bought the tickets months in advance as an aniversary present, considering the wife in recent years was on bed rest for two pregnacies, one a mis carry i elected to go but to give up season tickets for the eagles to make a point nuts.
i dont know whats worse you continually daggering yourself by bringing that up...or you trying to justify it in some way
Quote from: smeags on March 31, 2010, 03:24:11 PM
truth. i may have missed watching a world series game for a tesla concert, which btw i bought the tickets months in advance as an aniversary present, considering the wife in recent years was on bed rest for two pregnacies, one a mis carry i elected to go but to give up season tickets for the eagles to make a point nuts.
you do know that you're never going to live the tesla thing down, right? especially as long as you keep bringing it back up. ;)
yes and i care what you people think. :-D
retort #1 in the smeags guide to being a douchebag on the internet "i don't care" (repeated 10,000 times to prove how much he REALLY doesn't care)
oh what will i ever do.
i beleive santanio holmes said it best when he tweeted:
QuoteU shud try finding the worst thing that you could drink n kill urself.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 31, 2010, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: KDS on March 31, 2010, 02:33:09 PM
because YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
if its a problem to eat all kinds mammal drink another lobe off my liver get dope ass beats and hang out with good friends all fall then i dont have enough problems
you on the other hand are willing to give up eagle tickets you dont have from brownsville texas
not the point
we the people must rise up and take a stand against banner inc. if you are content to let them continue their iron first rule then by all means oblige their escalating ticket prices and moratorium on fun and good football. do it. see if i care. im in mexico.
Everyone's favorite GM will be on WIP today talking about McNabb and the draft at some point before noon with Gargano and Macnow.'
Have fun.
He better tell us all the moves hes going to make.
People still listen to WIP?
i will give him credit for going on with those guys and not eskin
brutal interview....like a reid post game presser but ten times worse
wouldnt even farging answer bradley HOF ingram injury status questions
ugh
so does he sound like a weasel ?
he sounds pretty much exactly what youd expect him to sound like...but not as bad as banner
im still mad at the injury thing...he actually said you need to direct those questions to rick and andy...like this was a post game presser or they were sitting in novacare somewhere doing this...yeah howie right after we hang up with you we will get on the bat phone and ring up andy and rick on a conference call
always the smoke and mirrors routine with this front office.
i understand where they are coming from during the season....injury secrecy is important...but jesus the fans wanna know how far along bradley and HOF ingram are...are they gonna participate in any mini camps ect...
farg what is the god damn harm in telling us that
he said some shtein like rick burkholder is one of the best trainers in the game and id rather refer you to him on injury matters
farg you icehole...sick sick sick
remember though, according to their "polls" the VAST majority of fans feel privlegded to have this front office.
To be fair, no one really gives a shtein how far along FML Ingram is.
if you dont care how HOF ingram or any potential contributer to this team is progressing after a serious injury then youre a terrible fan
and thats a fact
but thats not even the point....the fact that in april on a radio interview he is trying to refer people to the trainer is enough to make me wanna kill myself
The chances of Ingram contributing to this team are slim at best. I came to grips with that about 45 seconds after he blew out his knee, again, after a year of not playing ball because of a blown out knee.
i agree...and it shouldnt be keeping you up at night but i cant imagine being a birds fan and not wondering if hes gonna be a full participant in any mini camps
the fact that the best we can hope for at this point in time is that he fully participates in mini camp is all i need to know.
although i've been seeking a new eagle to fill the "player i can relate to because i too have had multiple acl surgeries" vacancy that opened up when buck signed with denver and so far, this guy has all the qualifications i'm looking for.
Zyklon-B.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 13, 2010, 01:06:54 PM
The chances of Ingram contributing to this team are slim at best. I came to grips with that about 45 seconds after he blew out his knee, again, after a year of not playing ball because of a blown out knee.
Correll Buckhalter says hi.
Buckhalter is one of my least favorite Eagles of all time. He took touches from not one but two of my favorite Eagles, constantly got hurt (arguably costing the team at least one playoff game) and was inexplicably loved by the fan population. farg Correll Buckhalter.
you sound like you need a hug rjs.
I loved Buck. Poor guy had talent, made plays when asked, but could never stay healthy. Was good to see him do so well in Denver, before going down, again...
Quote from: mussa on April 13, 2010, 06:46:21 PM
I loved Buck. Poor guy had talent, made plays when asked, but could never stay healthy. Was good to see him do so well in Denver, before going down, again...
what the hell does this even mean?
mussa be all over the map.
And Rusty has a lot of saltiness towards Buck. Let it out, fella.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100415_Paul_Domowitch__Roseman_motivated_entering_first_draft_as_Eagles_GM.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100415_Paul_Domowitch__Roseman_motivated_entering_first_draft_as_Eagles_GM.html)
interesting article by domo
i hated the decision to hire him. i didn't like the decision to trade sheldon brown. i didn't mind trading mcnabb, but hated trading him within the division.
but if you remove the personal feelings that come with losing a guy like sheldon or even mcnabb (for jay) and look at his decisions from a football/organizational standpoint, he's done a few good things in a short amount of time. he got good value for both mcnabb and brown and has this team in a pretty good position for a draft that is deep in "need" positions for the eagles.
he's basically no different than kolb right now.....don't know how good or bad he will be but in his very limited experience, he's shown a little potential so we might as well see what the guy can do. but i do know that i'm going to have a short fuse and if he blows this draft out of his ass then i'll be thru with him.....as i'm sure nearly every other eagles fan will be as well.
I couldn't agree more. The thing I found most interesting in that article though was all the guys that have been successful GMs that didn't have much of a football background. Ron Wolfe, George Young, Mickey Loomis, and whoever else he mentioned.
the difference is those guys started as non football guys then worked their way up....regardless of what the eagles say rosemen was not in player personel until at the earliest last year
check the media guides...check front office depth charts check past interviews ect...
you will not find one mention anywhere of a guy named rosemen being in PP
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 15, 2010, 01:35:24 PM
the difference is those guys started as non football guys then worked their way up....regardless of what the eagles say rosemen was not in player personel until at the earliest last year
check the media guides...check front office depth charts check past interviews ect...
you will not find one mention anywhere of a guy named rosemen being in PP
Huh didn't realize that, I thought he at least had some involvement in scouting. Either way the article is interesting and like Sarge I'll take the wait and see approach.
And Sarge brings up another good point he did get a lot of picks this offseason for a draft that is supposed to be the deepest in years.
i mean i dont know 100%...but i follow the team as closely as anyone and i have never ever heard his name be mentioned in PP until the bogus PR campaign they started putting out about how he ran the draft last year
basically he was a money guy until his name started to be floated for GM and was subsequentily hired....then if you believe the eagles he all of a sudden had been scouting for the past ten years and ran the last couple drafts
that said i have already stated on the board i love what he did with the draft picks with mcnabb with the plan in general this offseason...but me or you could do that...trade good players for decent picks...the test comes in evaluating players properly and acquiring said players
the important thing about the picks and this year's draft is that it's fairly deep in positions that the eagles have a need to fill. not too deep at qb, rb, wr or te....but the eagles don't really need to draft any of those other than a backup rb which can be found in the 3rd round or later.
this is going to be (or should be) a pretty boring draft in terms of "glam players" because the eagles don't have much of a need for that. they need safety, cb, lb and ol and there's a lot of them to be had this year. if they draft anything other than s, cb, lb, ol with their first 5 picks (as those picks stand now), i'll be pretty effing pissed.
id say the most important thing is making good picks...which means properly evaluating players....a draft is only deep if you find the right guys...anyway the picks are andys not rosemans...but roseman (and his scouts) needs to give the proper player grades to andy....and thats where my big concern lays
still five of the top 100 picks is awesome
I keep reading that the eagles are really eyeing up Eric Berry, and i have a major boner because of that
I have a feeling they're going to do something monumentally stupid in the first two rounds.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 15, 2010, 01:43:33 PM
i mean i dont know 100%...but i follow the team as closely as anyone and i have never ever heard his name be mentioned in PP until the bogus PR campaign they started putting out about how he ran the draft last year
basically he was a money guy until his name started to be floated for GM and was subsequentily hired....then if you believe the eagles he all of a sudden had been scouting for the past ten years and ran the last couple drafts
oh, there's no doubt that the eagles are feeding the fans a bunch of bull when they say that howie's been involved for quite some time now. no, he hasn't. but i guess the figured the public backlash would be unbearable if they simply came out and said that they hired a 34 yr old lawyer who didn't even play pee wee ball to be in charge of evaluating talent. so they opted to fudge his resume a little. who knows though....he very well could have been "involved" in some player personnel decisions in some sort of unofficial role.....kind of like an intern or something. i dunno.
regardless, he's in a position of prominance right now and has a major play in the success of failure on the field over the next 3 or 4 years based on this draft/offseason alone. hopefully he doesn't farg it up.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 15, 2010, 01:57:25 PM
I keep reading that the eagles are really eyeing up Eric Berry, and i have a major boner because of that
they might as well be eyeing up halle berry. either way, all that's goign to happen is you stand there and drool instead of actually making a move.
if the eagles trade up in one i think its for haden or iupati/pouncey
Pouncey is the pick...you can book it.
Center has been an issue for years, and Reid has been able to get away with a revolving door of FA's. He has tried to upgrade it before, there is no way Jackson is ready for the season since the ACL is at least a 12 month injury, and there is no one else on the roster that can play at a decent level. Having a young, talented center for Kolb would fall in line with everything else they are trying to do.
This makes sense.
theres no way to book anything with reid...he is totally unpredictable in the draft...not to mention we have no idea what kind of grade he has on pouncey (or any other player for that matter)
exactly why i have pipe dreams of Sweet Berry Wine. You know he's going to look for OL and DL, but i never saw Maclin last year
Quote from: Diomedes on April 15, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
This makes sense.
You agreeing with Joel on anything makes me a little queasy.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 15, 2010, 02:39:04 PM
exactly why i have pipe dreams of Sweet Berry Wine. You know he's going to look for OL and DL, but i never saw Maclin last year
how about cobb
yeah, it was out of nowhere, then again so was Matt Mcoy
Just once I'd like to see how their big board compares with the so-called experts.
I have a feeling it's fairly similar but Reid has made so many "WTF?" picks over the years, you know there's a board with the reasonable list and one with "I'm smarter than everyone else" picks ready to roll.
Quote from: Rome on April 15, 2010, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 15, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
This makes sense.
You agreeing with Joel on anything makes me a little queasy.
Surely we can agree on a football matter? Nothing wrong with that.
I think we also agree that you're an ass. How does that make you feel, ass?
probably queasy
Warm & fuzzy as always.
Quote from: Rome on April 15, 2010, 02:46:56 PM
Warm & fuzzy as always.
got your hand up your ass again i see.
not my hand, but sure.
do tell.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 15, 2010, 02:07:42 PM
if the eagles trade up in one i think its for haden or iupati/pouncey
I don't think they will need to trade up to get the iupati or pouncey. If they do I suspect it won't be too high. Iupati kind of scares me a bit while he looks the part, he didn't overly impress me in the Senior Bowl. I wouldn't be disappointed with him but imo he is a "feast or famine" pick.
Iupati isn't making it past the Steelers.
Howie is on with WIP midday and he's a total cliche machine.
anthony and glenn are grilling him, which is good.
Hopefully he finally answers their most pressing question... Where do you get the best cheesesteaks!
great news guys...Howie is really excited about everybody
and they didn't draft any undersized players.
so, that's awesome.
hes talkin up jamar chaney big time
huh ? reid himself said graham is undersized but fits their already undersized d-line philiosophy.
btw who still listens to wip?
i obviously do, since i brought it to your attention
i have it on 24/7 pal
i listen more than that bud
oh you do that three six five thing?
No, he just uses two radios.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
btw who still listens to wip?
I made the full-on switch when 950 went FM to 97.5, haven't looked back since.
Quote from: SD on April 26, 2010, 02:49:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
btw who still listens to wip?
I made the full-on switch when 950 went FM to 97.5, haven't looked back since.
i just downloaded their iphone app so ill probably start listening to it at work.
wip is so much better its almost criminal
wip IS philadelphia
espn is not
You aren't making a very strong argument for philadelphia there, big guy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2010, 03:05:32 PM
wip is so much better its almost criminal
wip IS philadelphia
espn is not
Why do the ratings say otherwise?
not sure about 97.5 since i haven't really had a chance to listen to it a lot, but i know the espn radio station in la is almost exclusively all la sports related. the only exception that i know of is mike and mike (which comes on from 3am-7am out here) and then cowherd from 7-10. the rest of the day are all local hosts talking local sports. i'm guessing that 97.5 is probably about the same, no?
yeah it is
they have exactly one listenable show....missanelli
the rest is garbage
if you listen to that pos over wip then youre turning your back on the city and are a communist as far as im conerned
music in the am, gargano/mcnow at 10, missanelli at 2 or 3
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 26, 2010, 03:10:08 PM
not sure about 97.5 since i haven't really had a chance to listen to it a lot, but i know the espn radio station in la is almost exclusively all la sports related. the only exception that i know of is mike and mike (which comes on from 3am-7am out here) and then cowherd from 7-10. the rest of the day are all local hosts talking local sports. i'm guessing that 97.5 is probably about the same, no?
Pretty much...
Mike and Mike (who i can't stand either one of them)...
Via Sikahema and some Inquirer schlub
Tony Bruno and someone other Connecticut school of broadcasting dropout
Mike Missinelli for the afternoons
various college sports broadcasting at nights in between local evenings.
WIP blows, period.
if you're even remotely defending that station you might as well admit you love pork sword sandwiches.
WIP is all I listen to when I'm in the Philly area, which admittedly isn't all that often. Not because it's any good. It isn't. In fact it's so awful that I can't force myself to stop listening. Every host and every caller does their damnedest to reach new bottoms in the barrel of human intelligence.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
WIP is all I listen to when I'm in the Philly area, which admittedly isn't all that often. Not because it's any good. It isn't. In fact it's so awful that I can't force myself to stop listening. Every host and every caller does their damnedest to reach new bottoms in the barrel of human intelligence.
truth. you need to go to 950am, you can listen online.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
WIP is all I listen to when I'm in the Philly area, which admittedly isn't all that often. Not because it's any good. It isn't. In fact it's so awful that I can't force myself to stop listening. Every host and every caller does their damnedest to reach new bottoms in the barrel of human intelligence.
There was a guy that called into 610 yesterday who was comparing Brandon Graham to Reggie White, he said Allen is better than Dawkins, and the Eagles schedule is a cake walk and he thinks they win at least 14 games....All WIP callers should be put in ovens
i cant wait for their 4 for 4 tournament....id easily win
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
WIP is all I listen to when I'm in the Philly area, which admittedly isn't all that often. Not because it's any good. It isn't. In fact it's so awful that I can't force myself to stop listening. Every host and every caller does their damnedest to reach new bottoms in the barrel of human intelligence.
I am kind of the opposite, it is so infuriating to listen to that I find myself yelling at the radio and if I don't change the channel I look like I am having a road rage fit. The only talk radio I really listen to anymore is NFL Radio or Stern on my Sirius.
NFL Radio is so unbelievably good.....most of the time. It offers really interesting insight, they really break things down so that it is understandable to a regular fan.
i have to get my sirius turned back on.
The only thing I listen too is Tony Bruno on 950. The rest of 950 is awful. I can occassionally stomach Gargano.
bruno is meh. they screwed up letting jodymac go.
all that matters is burger dick is getting his reid pube ridden teeth kicked in daily.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 26, 2010, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
WIP is all I listen to when I'm in the Philly area, which admittedly isn't all that often. Not because it's any good. It isn't. In fact it's so awful that I can't force myself to stop listening. Every host and every caller does their damnedest to reach new bottoms in the barrel of human intelligence.
I am kind of the opposite, it is so infuriating to listen to that I find myself yelling at the radio and if I don't change the channel I look like I am having a road rage fit. The only talk radio I really listen to anymore is NFL Radio or Stern on my Sirius.
NFL Radio is so unbelievably good.....most of the time. It offers really interesting insight, they really break things down so that it is understandable to a regular fan.
you got it. programmed channel 1 and 2....although stern is listened to way less than nfl radio.
wip or 950 wouldnt even enter your mind if you listen to nfl radio. its ridiculously addicting and every host, even everyone's boy jim miller, is knowledgeable as hell. get involved smeags.
i was for the longest but i started car pooling and only found myself listening 2times a week and then my stiletto took a shtein.
they offered me 6months for $20 plus a big discount on the new stiletto radio. should have it this week.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2010, 03:05:32 PM
wip is so much better its almost criminal
wip IS philadelphia
espn is not
so says the guy WHO DOESNT EVEN LIVE IN PHILLY
your hypocrisy knows no bounds
Quote from: KDS on April 26, 2010, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2010, 03:05:32 PM
wip is so much better its almost criminal
wip IS philadelphia
espn is not
so says the guy WHO DOESNT EVEN LIVE IN PHILLY
your hypocrisy knows no bounds
doesnt matter, he watches hours and hours of videos about philly on youtube so he knows.
Cousin Howie was on with Schein and Gannon on SIRIUS too.
Has he hit puberty yet?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2010, 05:06:08 PM
Cousin Howie was on with Schein and Gannon on SIRIUS too.
Has he hit puberty yet?
(http://www.66batman.com/yabbfiles/avatars/UserAvatars/rbw66.jpg)
you make the call.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2010, 03:05:32 PM
wip is so much better its almost criminal
wip IS philadelphia
espn is not
97.5 is better from top to bottom and it's not even close. If you lived in the city you'd notice people listening to 97.5 over 610...they're basically irrelevant.
610 is a joke anymore. Macnow is ok, but Gargano makes the show horrible CUZ
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2010, 05:12:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2010, 05:06:08 PM
Cousin Howie was on with Schein and Gannon on SIRIUS too.
Has he hit puberty yet?
(http://www.66batman.com/YaBBfiles/avatars/UserAvatars/rbw66.jpg)
you make the call.
KDS?
Steve Correll?
I think radio people are held to too high of a standard in this town. People get mad when radio hosts don't know as much as the fans. I don't care about that. The reason those stations suck is because they are so agenda driven now it is just a joke. They are completely full of themselves, and clearly take certain angles for the radio just to generate controversy.
I know a couple producers from WIP personally and they tell me stories about the station sometimes. Like how a lot of the hosts are totally different off the air and only act the way they do on the air because they are told to by the WIP brass or because they want to make a name for themselves. I'd assume ESPN is the same deal, but Mike Missanelli has always been a douchebag.
Quote from: King Cole on April 26, 2010, 07:14:23 PM
I think radio people are held to too high of a standard in this town. People get mad when radio hosts don't know as much as the fans.
I personally prefer the hosts who know farg all about anything.
Quote from: SD on April 26, 2010, 05:32:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2010, 03:05:32 PM
wip is so much better its almost criminal
wip IS philadelphia
espn is not
97.5 is better from top to bottom and it's not even close. If you lived in the city you'd notice people listening to 97.5 over 610...they're basically irrelevant.
610 is a station of douchebags for douchebags.
(http://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/tesla/tesla1.jpg)
awwwww, that's cute. douchebag.
hey think you could post a few youtube vids for me ? that would uber cool.
what does that even mean, you like to call everyone else a douchebag, but you're clearly their king.
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2010, 09:18:27 AM
what does that even mean, you like to call everyone else a douchebag, but you're clearly their king.
do you always ride igy's jock like this ?
calling you a douchey old man is riding my bird?
Quote from: smeags on April 27, 2010, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 27, 2010, 09:18:27 AM
what does that even mean, you like to call everyone else a douchebag, but you're clearly their king.
do you always ride igy's jock like this ?
ha, yeah, i'm riding his jock because i'm calling one of easily the top douchebags on this board out. you are a corn ball to the highest degree.
How fast could igy run the 40 with smeags riding his jock? I say 6.2 seconds.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20101029_Paul_Domowitch__Eagles_have_fumbled_with_free_agency__trades.html
Good recap of Roseman's blunders
i posted the same thing about an hour ago...but you probably picked a more appropriate thread. so well, farg you
Domo on point as usual. I didn't have a problem with the team trading Sheldon Brown, but they really got nothing for him. He certainly would be better than what they have now.
that's why what they are doing with Vick now is so farged up. if they were all about going for it and they thought Kolb was the guy but now Vick is better...so be it. but they traded away Sheldon because they were supposedly going young and retooling. they are contradicting themselves with their moves.
I definitely agree, but I don't think they even know what they had in Vick. This team always keeps it interesting....not necessarily a good thing.
Quote from: SunMo on October 29, 2010, 11:27:14 AM
that's why what they are doing with Vick now is so farged up. if they were all about going for it and they thought Kolb was the guy but now Vick is better...so be it. but they traded away Sheldon because they were supposedly going young and retooling. they are contradicting themselves with their moves.
They got rid of Sheldon due to sulking and wanting to get a pay increase. Actually the move is exactly in line with their thinking. Get Vick on the cheap and sign their young players to contracts to lock in at a relatively cheap salary.
sheldon didn't want a pay raise, per se. he wanted the money that was remaining on his deal guaranteed. and considering how horrific ellis hobbs has been, they should have just paid sheldon at least for this year.
Sheldon wanted out. He knew the easiest way out was to complain publicly about anything. So that's what he did.
haha.... he wanted out. where? to frigging cleveland over philly? yeah, i'm sure that was the game plan.
he wanted to get PAID. period.
Quote from: Rome on October 29, 2010, 02:29:49 PM
haha.... he wanted out. where? to frigging cleveland over philly? yeah, i'm sure that was the game plan.
he wanted to get PAID. period.
Exactly. He was a starter and felt he was underpaid based on his performance and the so-so performance of Asante.
no one was more bitter about banner inc than sheldon
he had been here for the change over in control to the jew patrol and unlike company man crybaby mommas boy over the hill 5, he wasnt getting the im sorry for benching you contract extensions and pretty much reached a breaking point. now hes in cleveland. poor dude.
:boom
I was waiting for that.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on November 04, 2010, 12:33:24 AM
I was waiting for that.
so was i but it came on a smeages type delay
What did I miss?
Yeah what did our illustrious GM do to draw heat this time?
I think she seriously is reacting to the "Sheldon Brown in Cleveland" comment from 6 days ago.
http://www.zoowithroy.com/2011/08/ruben-has-run-in-at-mall.html#more
:-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 05, 2011, 01:16:31 PM
http://www.zoowithroy.com/2011/08/ruben-has-run-in-at-mall.html#more
:-D
i stopped reading about ten lines in due painful lack of humor (i hope it has a REALLY good punchline of some sort) but i thought the sales clerk
was howie
The part of DeSean Jackson is played by Pootie Tang.
Since IGY didn't find it funny I figured it would be hilarious. It wasn't.
I liked it but the one about getting Stamkos at the bottom of the page (Flyers call in a ringer) was better.
Apparently, Drew Rosenhaus tried to get on the sidelines for the afternoon, and Howie directed him into the grandstand with the general public.
Not sure that's going to help negotiations.
So you and I have been on the sidelines during training camp, talked to Heckert even (wink) yet Drewsie gets the gas face?
Awesome times infinity?
I was on the sidelines yesterday. farg Drew.
Quote from: Rome on August 08, 2011, 08:00:25 PM
So you and I have been on the sidelines during training camp, talked to Heckert even (wink) yet Drewsie gets the gas face?
Awesome times infinity?
High five!
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/breaking/20121106_HED_TOO_LONG__While_Andy_Reid_fiddles__Eagles_GM_Howie_Roseman_gets_additional_4-to-.html
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QuoteThe Eagles have also signed via free agency cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, defensive end Jason Babin, defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins, wide receiver Steve Smith, running back Ronnie Brown and tackle Demetress Bell, among others.
Yeah, I can see why he got that contract extension.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 06, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
QuoteThe Eagles have also signed via free agency cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, defensive end Jason Babin, defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins, wide receiver Steve Smith, running back Ronnie Brown and tackle Demetress Bell, among others.
Yeah, I can see why he got that contract extension.
Not nearly the worst of it - why do these reporters continue to pull punches?? Can someone identify a GM with a worse short-term track record?
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The Eagles' first three picks in Roseman's three drafts are as follows: defensive end Brandon Graham, safety Nate Allen and defensive end Daniel Te'o-Nesheim in 2010, guard Danny Watkins, safety Jaiquawn Jarrett and cornerback Curtis Marsh in 2011, and defensive tackle Fletcher Cox, linebacker Mychal Kendricks and defensive end Vinny Curry in 2012.
Te'e-Nesheim and Jarrett are no longer on the roster. With Watkins and Allen out with injuries, only Cox and Kendricks started Monday night against the Saints.
Amazing with the media in this town that writes half a dozen articles whenever an Eagle sneezes that it took 5 months for this to leak out
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 06, 2012, 12:55:55 PM
Amazing with the media in this town that writes half a dozen articles whenever an Eagle sneezes that it took 5 months for this to leak out
That was my thought too.
The first question of Vicks PC last night was about his brother tweets. I normally don't bitch about the media but goddamn how about getting some real stories?
LOLOLOLOLOL at this team
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 06, 2012, 12:45:53 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 06, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
QuoteThe Eagles have also signed via free agency cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, defensive end Jason Babin, defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins, wide receiver Steve Smith, running back Ronnie Brown and tackle Demetress Bell, among others.
Yeah, I can see why he got that contract extension.
Not nearly the worst of it - why do these reporters continue to pull punches?? Can someone identify a GM with a worse short-term track record?
Originally, I meant it sarcastically,
but those guys were names that were available. You can't really blame the GM for free agents playing like shtein when they had played well elsewhere. You can blame him for overspending, or getting guys the coaches didn't want, or not getting them, but Nnamdi being awful isn't Roseman's fault.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2012, 01:04:06 PM
I normally don't bitch about the media but goddamn how about getting some real stories?
They should be frothing from various orifices right now, but they care about as much as we do at this point.
This is the kind of shtein that happens when pusy leaves you.
Let the downward spiral begin.
Quote from: reese125 on November 06, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
This is the kind of shtein that happens when pusy leaves you.
Let the downward spiral begin.
Lurie ordered some new suits, looked in to some baldness treatments, put some spinners on his kickin' rad stadium. Now he's gonna buy some bigass speakers, start rockin' the Rolling Stones all game long, and eventually get caught banging Andy's wife.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 06, 2012, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: reese125 on November 06, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
This is the kind of shtein that happens when pusy leaves you.
Let the downward spiral begin.
Lurie ordered some new suits, looked in to some baldness treatments, put some spinners on his kickin' rad stadium. Now he's gonna buy some bigass speakers, start rockin' the Rolling Stones all game long, and eventually get caught banging Andy's wife.
And Banner will come back to be Reid's lawyer, winning Andy 51% of the team.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 06, 2012, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 06, 2012, 12:45:53 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 06, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
QuoteThe Eagles have also signed via free agency cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, defensive end Jason Babin, defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins, wide receiver Steve Smith, running back Ronnie Brown and tackle Demetress Bell, among others.
Yeah, I can see why he got that contract extension.
Not nearly the worst of it - why do these reporters continue to pull punches?? Can someone identify a GM with a worse short-term track record?
Originally, I meant it sarcastically, but those guys were names that were available. You can't really blame the GM for free agents playing like shtein when they had played well elsewhere. You can blame him for overspending, or getting guys the coaches didn't want, or not getting them, but Nnamdi being awful isn't Roseman's fault.
Agreed. For the most part, I don't really have a problem with any of Roseman's free agent signings other than the fact that none of them have worked out....except maybe Jenkins. But it's not like he threw a ton of money at a bunch of guys who had a million red flags around them. And if he was even somewhat competent when it came to the draft, the busted free agent signings might not hurt so bad. His drafts alone warrant a pink slip.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2012, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 06, 2012, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on November 06, 2012, 12:45:53 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 06, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
QuoteThe Eagles have also signed via free agency cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, defensive end Jason Babin, defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins, wide receiver Steve Smith, running back Ronnie Brown and tackle Demetress Bell, among others.
Yeah, I can see why he got that contract extension.
Not nearly the worst of it - why do these reporters continue to pull punches?? Can someone identify a GM with a worse short-term track record?
Originally, I meant it sarcastically, but those guys were names that were available. You can't really blame the GM for free agents playing like shtein when they had played well elsewhere. You can blame him for overspending, or getting guys the coaches didn't want, or not getting them, but Nnamdi being awful isn't Roseman's fault.
I don't really have a problem with any of Roseman's free agent signings other than the fact that none of them have worked out
lol....you know that his job is to put together a team that "works out"
It was a semi-sarcastic comment. I have a big problem with the fact that his biggest moves haven't worked out. Nnamdi is a farging disaster but I can't realistically blame Roseman for that. Truth is, I can't think of any trades or fa signings he's made that were a major cause for concern at the time. I guess maybe Babin since he's a 1 dimensional player (and he isn't even bringing that to the table this year), but other than that I think most fans and even the "experts" thought that Roseman's trades and signings were going to significantly improve the Eagles. They haven't but I don't know how much of the blame for that should fall on his head. I'm more concerned with his draft busts than I am his free agent gaffs.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 11, 2012, 12:14:45 PM
Nnamdi is a farging disaster but I can't realistically blame Roseman for that. Truth is, I can't think of any trades or fa signings he's made that were a major cause for concern at the time. I guess maybe Babin since he's a 1 dimensional player (and he isn't even bringing that to the table this year), but other than that I think most fans and even the "experts" thought that Roseman's trades and signings were going to significantly improve the Eagles. They haven't but I don't know how much of the blame for that should fall on his head. I'm more concerned with his draft busts than I am his free agent gaffs.
babin was a disgrace the first second he wrote his name down......as for assy i think we should make fun of the teams that didnt sign him
j please rename thread "fire howie roseman"
im begging you!!!!!
Done.
Gut this entire disgusting organization.
thank you kind sir
this dude aint goin nowhere
the last 48 hours all ive been able to think about is how this jerk off is going to actually lead a search for an nfl head coach....and it makes me sick
Piece of shtein Roseman is putting Patterson on the NFI list because of his pneumonia.
And making him give up $$$.
Gutless heartless price. It's only like $125k.
farg you Howie.
All circles back to this douche bag. As long as he's around expect to feel this same anguish and anger every December when the team is 5+ games out of playoff contention.
Quote from: Don Ho on December 12, 2012, 08:55:52 PM
All circles back to this douche bag. As long as he's around expect to feel this same anguish and anger every December when the team is 5+ games out of playoff contention.
Maybe not. I'm finding I care a lot less about the catastrophe this year than I did last year.
You and 99% of this board. Did you see how few people were in the Eagles/Bucs thread during the game Sunday? Record low turnout.
I won't mind so much if Howie turns out to be as inept as guys like Jerry Jones or Danny Snyder. I won't mind if he hires a string of horrible coaches, and the Eagles are Browns bad for a while. I won't even mind when the few good players they've managed to draft go on to other teams.
What I will mind a whole bunch will be smug motherfargers going "I bet you guys wish you had Andy Reid back, huh?"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 12, 2012, 07:06:49 PM
Piece of shtein Roseman is putting Patterson on the NFI list because of his pneumonia.
And making him give up $$$.
Gutless heartless price. It's only like $125k.
farg you Howie.
this shtein was supposed stop when banner left....but i guess with howie being a direct disciple of lucifer we should have known better....but really this is 1000% on lurie...as an owner you CANNOT let this happen
its shameful
Yeah Jeff needs to veto this shtein immediately. Because Lurie's so damn PR conscious he better see that everyone is killing them for this. Think your other players and future free agents don't see this and think how farged up it is?
I heard Rhea say on her update that one of his agents said that Howie said something like "well we didn't get much outta him this year".
Really, Howie?
Because he had farging brain surgery. After playing all through it last year!!
This has me heated.
yeah that quote was in sheridans column today
i feel bad for patterson for sure but its even bigger than him...this destroys locker rooms and causes players not to give 100% for their organization...as well as players they bring to philly or try to bring...guarantee this move has already spread around the league like wildfire and the eagles will now carry a black mark with the nflpa until they prove that they arent an organization like this....why the eagles would do this for 150k is beyond me
i have always been a lurie supporter and defended him....sometimes to a fault....but this shows me that there is more on him than i ever thought...with banner gone now lurie is the constant...banner might have had equal power to lurie but theres no way howie can....so to me this is all on jeff
they are a disgrace
He's an absentee slum lord.
farg Lurie.
The cheap greedy out of touch pieces of shtein agreed to pay Patterson in full
I figured this would happen just to put out the PR fire, but it never should have gotten to this point. Bring back Tose.
this is why philly is such a great sports city....its not the only place it would happen but there are a ton of cities where this isnt a story and gets minimal attention and is then swept under the rug...in philly tho it was a firestorm all day and it made the difference
The most surprising thing (to me) that came out of today's events was Lurie saying that 2012 is the first draft and offseason that he holds Howie accountable for. Beat writers were implying that 2010 and 2011 were more Banner than Howie from those comments. I guess we don't have any choice but to believe it right now, but the proof will come out in the wash eventually. It sounded like Lurie went back through guys Howie liked in the past few drafts and followed up on them. He even went as far to say as Howie was the best in the organization at talent evaluation "by far". I guess we'll find out
2012 wasn't an awful draft by any means. If Foles turns out to be the real deal, it will be one of the better drafts they've had in a long time.
Quote from: SunMo on December 31, 2012, 07:18:23 PMI guess we don't have any choice but to believe it right now...
I don't believe a fargin' word of it.
I believe Howie's the best in the building at talent evaluation right now. I believe there's no one left that knows anything about it.
Quote from: Rome on December 31, 2012, 07:38:24 PM
2012 wasn't an awful draft by any means. If Foles turns out to be the real deal, it will be one of the better drafts they've had in a long time.
Yeah, everything thinks the 2012 draft was the best in the past few years, but there was a prevailing thought process in the media and with "connected" people like gargano that Andy had wrestled personnel control away from Howie in the past year and this was a draft with minimal howie input. if it's really like how Lurie described it today and it is intriguing.
total bs done to sell howie or in the least blame andy/banner for the recent terrible seasons
doesnt really matter if its true or not. jeff is all in on howie and thats just the way its gonna be for the next few years.
Yeah I found that interesting as well, Sunny. He specifically mentioned the 2011 draft and sounded quite disgusted.
I also agree that he seemed to put it in Banner.
By the way - Banner is on record in saying that he is hiring a coach first in Cleveland and then the GM. He wants the coach to have a lot of say.
What that says to me is he wants the control and extended input
Intriguing, ha. The more I read about this team, and sports in general, the more boring I find it. There was a heyday there when i was all wrapped up in awesome articles about football players, and which coach said what and all that...but these days I read this crap and it feels like I'm participating in a different but equally pointless, better monetized, version of celebrity worship.
Power struggles within the Eagles organization, for farg sake, how demeaning. I wish I didn't know or care about such petty crap.
When :CF closes shop, I will stop watching football altogether. Idiotic sport.
so basically when igy dies of alcohol poisoning and 75% of the cf post content leaves?
ha.
within ten days of his demise this forum would enjoy a flood of returning posters who left over the years solely because he and MDS are farging insufferbly hippoish.
this board dies when GF finally decides to stop devoting any of his time...until then most of us are doomed to keep talking to each other
Wait, you're not suggesting people leave because they are not strong enough to take it, are you?
rather the opposite...those who put up with it are the weak ones
Quote from: MDS on December 31, 2012, 07:50:03 PM
total bs done to sell howie or in the least blame andy/banner for the recent terrible seasons
yup
we are supposed to believe that everyone who left is to blame and the one guy lurie kept is a genius
its all a ruse to try and excuse the fact that they have an accountant as a football talent evaluator who lurie for some reason gave a long term deal to prior to the season where the team he put together was a disgrace....a deal lurie doesnt want to get out from under so he kept howie
I'm thinking that Lurie is the real problem here. At the end of the day, it's Lurie who thinks it's a good idea to do things like let his head coach hire his own ex felon drug addict son, or install the o-line coach as defensive co-ordinator. He's enshrined non-football guys in football positions, supported an obviously flawed coach, and tolerated losing too easily.
Frankly, he has no reason to do otherwise. He's printing money and farg you.
i like him as an owner....hes tremendous in the community...eagles charities are the best in the nfl and their go green initiative is second to none...hes also a completely hands off owner which i like...
that said hes certainly not perfect...his hands off approach also caused him to keep andy far to long and emboldened him with far to much power and the howie thing is a borderline illegal act....but he does enough good that he deserves the benefit of the doubt....lets see what happens with this coaching search and the next couple of drafts before he gets crucified
He's liberal as hell, so I like that too.
?
But Jesus man, you gotta wonder at the way the team is managed. Who the fargs in charge?
I love CF and it's never going anywhere. Right big brother? :'(
I forget who said it...maybe it was Banner, but someone in the organization said Howie ran the 2009 draft. It was when they were toting him to be the new GM. The Howie vote of confidence from Lurie today was a joke. If you're a GM in the NFL you have the say on personnel decisions.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 31, 2012, 09:06:22 PM
a deal lurie doesnt want to get out from under so he kept howie
I see your point, but I disagree for a simple reason. Any business owner/manager worth a shtein is very familiar with and constantly on the lookout for the sunk cost fallacy. If he feels Howie is useless or to blame for the teams failings, he knows the worst possible course is to continue to compensate or invest in him - previous costs (contracts, salaries, etc.) have no bearing on the decision that would need to be made as the money is gone, and the only thing left to waste is in the future.
This actually represents a worse-case scenario for me, as it entails Lurie believing completely that Howie farging Roseman is the guy that's going to build this thing into a SB winning organization.
Just saw this:
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Lurie hints at past personnel disagreements between Roseman, Reid
Posted by Mike Florio on January 1, 2013, 10:11 AM EST
AP
Now that the dust has settled on a dizzying day of terminations and quotes and rumors and reports, it's time to search through the wreckage of quotes to look for hints at what may have happened in the past — and what could happen next.
In Philadelphia, comments from owner Jeffrey Lurie suggest that the termination of coach Andy Reid was preceded by a determination that G.M. Howie Roseman would or should have more authority over the construction of the roster.
Officially, Reid has had "final say" since the day he was hired, in 1999. Unofficially, Roseman acquired more influence in 2012, based on Lurie's explanation regarding the manner in which Roseman's role in a 1-11 collapse over the final three fourths of the season will be assessed.
"I keep voluminous notes on talent evaluation on not just who we draft, but who is valued in each draft by each person that is in the organization that's working here," Lurie said. "I came to the conclusion that the person that was providing by far the best talent evaluation in the building was Howie Roseman. I decided to streamline the whole decision-making process for the 2012 draft and offseason and that's the first draft and offseason I hold Howie completely accountable for. The mistakes that were made in the 2011 draft have little or nothing to do with Howie's evaluations and I think it was important for me to own up to the mistakes that were made and understand where they were coming from and it was awfully clear."
In other words, Roseman was trying to get Reid to make other decisions in past years, and hindsight was proving Roseman to be right. And so if Roseman is accountable only for the 2012 draft, it means that Reid, was wisely deferring to the guy whom hindsight was proving to be right.
It doesn't mean that Roseman will now be in charge of the team. "The way I've operated is the way I'm going to operate and that is the new head coach, whoever that is, will report directly to me and that's the only structure that I insist upon," Lurie said. "As we go through the process, we have the flexibility to finalize personnel decisions and everything else that goes with the coach-G.M. relationship. But my goal is to have the coach and the General Manager work hand-in-hand and work collaboratively and work in a very, very terrific way together."
In other words, the next coach of the Eagles may not be running the show the way Reid was for 14 years. Or, possibly, for the first 13 of them.
I think this supports the argument that Lurie is fully onboard the "Howie is a great GM" bandwagon. One hopes it doesn't take him as long as it did with Reid to realize he's wrong in that assumption.
hes on board with him because he signed him to a long term deal five minutes ago....hes not going to expose himself and admit to a horrible decision so soon after....if howie had a year or two left on his contract and lurie was pimping him this hard i see a modicum of truth in what hes saying....but he has to be all in...for one hes al hes got and again he has a brand new long term deal...of course hes going to suck his dick right now
sd is right...if you recall in 2010 when they hired howie as gm the defense was that he was secretly behind the 09 draft...and thats because it got mostly positive reviews....but now the last three years when he has the actual title of GM we are supposed to believe he had little to do with any of the failures
the whole thing is a crock
Why weren't you guys out there during this season with the 'Fire Roseman' signs and chants?
Quote from: hbionic on January 01, 2013, 05:00:29 PM
Why weren't you guys out there during this season with the 'Fire Roseman' signs?
cause i was out there with them in january 2010....my arm got tired of holding them up
Meh... Gimmie another draft year like this year, and we'll see where it lands.
holy crap angelo and wip are just blowing howies spot up.....they keep playing the lurie quote from the other day about how howie had nothing to do with the 2010 and 2011 drafts....then they put together a package of howie quotes from the last couple of years about different players and why he loved them
among other players this was howie on:
jaykwon jarrett - we absolutely love his football intelligence and he is goin to light people up
casey matthews - we were really sweating that he wouldnt be there...we love him
fireman - when we pick in the twenetys we still go for players who can make the pro bowl even if they are at less glamourous positions...watkings is going to come right in and play at that level
and all the interview clips they are playing of him show him saying that he essentially made the picks along with reid and whoever else....in other words lurie is full of shtein and dont believe otherwise
Thank goodness WIP is there to confirm for us that Lurie is full of shtein.
theres people in this very thread that arent sure of it
and wip >
Whats worse... WIP Morning Show or Morning Show Listeners
the morning show without angelo isn't horrible, angelo is the worst thing to happen to philly sports maybe ever
Angelo:Philly Sports::igy::CF?
angelo > igy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of the world
I have no idea what I'm talking about.
This Angelo guy, he's a real hippo, amirite?
howie on jaykwon jarrett:
"hes the best tackler to come out of the draft in at least the last few years"
lol jesus did he really say that?
And no way igy believes Angelo is great. Gotta be trollin hard
no, he believes it he tells me all the time how much he loves him. it's farging retarded
i dont troll....i love the guy....i love all haters....and he is our leader
and yes thats an exact quote from howie in an interview on wip
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2013, 10:11:43 AM
i dont troll....i love the guy....i love all haters....and he is our leader
and yes thats an exact quote from howie in an interview on wip
Angelo isn't a hater, he says whatever he thinks will get him ratings.
In other words, he's a hungry hungry hippo.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 03, 2013, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2013, 10:11:43 AM
i dont troll....i love the guy....i love all haters....and he is our leader
and yes thats an exact quote from howie in an interview on wip
Angelo isn't a hater, he says whatever he thinks will get him ratings.
trust me hes a hater and will call out anyone...hes the voice of the people
plus when joe banner thinks you are the devil you are #1 in my book
Quote from: Diomedes on January 03, 2013, 10:23:02 AM
In other words, he's a hungry hungry hippo.
Also a Giants fan.
And a Yankees fan
Yeah yeah, and Knicks and Rangers too. They come in four packs.
But Die-Hard has a famous picture of him in Giants Stadium, so he gets a pass.
And Feva is from Buffalo.
So.
Might as well be Canadian at that point.
I'm not saying Howie didn't make the picks, but if he didn't, what would you have expected him to say? "Jaiquawn Jarrett? Oh, that guy farging sucks. Andy and Joe forced him on me. Expect him to hit the waiver wire sometime next year." Or maybe he should have said, "I don't know, I'm an accountant guy basically. Andy does all the football stuff. I'm a figurehead GM."
It's part of his job to publicly hype the Eagle picks. Now if Angelo had secret insider audio of Howie making those statements, that would have been actually damaging.
Everything that comes out of the Eagles is a crafted lie, as it is with most any organization. When Andy covers for a player, when Howie hypes the picks, when Lurie says he has faith in Howie. It's all bullshtein. Bullshtein that needs to be said to create a public image and to avoid upsetting other people on the team. Why would anyone believe any of it?
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 03, 2013, 06:16:08 PM
I'm not saying Howie didn't make the picks, but if he didn't, what would you have expected him to say? "Jaiquawn Jarrett? Oh, that guy farging sucks. Andy and Joe forced him on me. Expect him to hit the waiver wire sometime next year." Or maybe he should have said, "I don't know, I'm an accountant guy basically. Andy does all the football stuff. I'm a figurehead GM."
youre missing the point....this isnt about what he thought or what he said about the players he picked its about his comments clearly proving that he was the gm and was heading the drafts that lurie claims he had nothing to do with
of course howie being at every single senior bowl practice in 2010 and 2011 even while andy wasnt there tells you more than you need to know
and all teams spin but i dont now that a team blatantly lies or reinvents history in quite the same way the eagles have with howie...basically telling people that the sky isnt blue or that the holocaust never happened...even if you didnt already know that howie was the gm and had major inut into the drafts and most people do....all you have to do is spend five minutes on a google search and you can find ut all you need to know....its just ludicrous
Why do research when we have WIP to do it for us?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2013, 08:09:55 PM
and all teams spin but i dont now that a team blatantly lies or reinvents history in quite the same way the eagles have with howie...
Don't you live in taterskins land?
Quote from: methdeez on January 03, 2013, 08:18:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2013, 08:09:55 PM
and all teams spin but i dont now that a team blatantly lies or reinvents history in quite the same way the eagles have with howie...
Don't you live in taterskins land?
huh?
Quote from: Rome on January 03, 2013, 08:17:46 PM
Why do research when we have WIP to do it for us?
true....but not everyone is smart enough to listen to wip
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2013, 08:41:15 PM
Quote from: methdeez on January 03, 2013, 08:18:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2013, 08:09:55 PM
and all teams spin but i dont now that a team blatantly lies or reinvents history in quite the same way the eagles have with howie...
Don't you live in taterskins land?
huh?
Meaning the farging taterskins blatantly lie and reinvent their racist zesty history more than any other team ever.
snyder is a cock but i dont know that he or any other owner has spewed a lie so obviously wrong and about something so recent as what lurie said about howie...
in fact you can make a case for snyder being honest to a fault...he just doesnt give a shtein about anyone but himself
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
in fact you can make a case for snyder being honest to a fault...he just doesnt give a shtein about anyone but himself
You are a madman.
Please read this: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-taterskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-taterskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder). The article was so on point about Snider's slimy ways that Snider started a bullshtein defamation suit about it, and promptly got hit with DC's first SLAPP countersuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation)).
you know thats two years old and that every nfc east fan if not football fan has read it?
again its not news that the guy is arguably the biggest dick on the planet....eveyone knows this....i dont understand what you are trying to say
He lies and is incredibly dishonest...
Why I am still having this conversation?
i have no idea
You went on and on about Lurie being a liar yesterday.
You realize that, right?
yeah and?
what does dan snyder being a fleshpop have to do with lurie dropping the biggest lie of his 17 year tenure as owner
i dont see the connection
eagles fans continuing to play a big game of i know you are but what am i
its the same reaction a 9 year old has when the teacher yells at him for talking in class. "but johnny was talking too." but dan snyder is a fleshpop
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2013, 03:34:46 PM
yeah and?
what does dan snyder being a fleshpop have to do with lurie dropping the biggest lie of his 17 year tenure as owner
i dont see the connection
Because you're a farging moron. Film at 11.
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2013, 03:36:42 PM
eagles fans continuing to play a big game of i know you are but what am i
its the same reaction a 9 year old has when the teacher yells at him for talking in class. "but johnny was talking too." but dan snyder is a fleshpop
is that really what its about?
i know homer romey would lean that way but i didnt think deez was a rip roaring homer
funny thing is i am on record as liking lurie...i should be the last person that they come at for criticizing him
maybe since its coming from you and you have been balls deep in lurie for no other reason than his liberal lion politics and him staying out the way so the mediocre people he hired can perform their jobs
but its really just a defense mechanism from jealous fans
so its a reaction to the skins having rg3 and winning the division for the next ten years as much as it is me ripping lurie?
for rome yes. hes a textbook midnight green skies and kelly green teddy bears homer
i honestly have no idea who mathdeez is
You two have ruined this place. Can't be said enough.
waaaaaaaah
dont catch feelings on the internet....thats what id do
What you'd do is be obnoxious because you're bored and have nothing useful to say, but that's almost the same thing.
i honestly dont understand why you just dont ban me....id seriously rather have that than hear the whiners non stop...never seen a bunch of grown ups catch so many feelings
also then the thousands who left because of me will return home and you can have a super high traffic board just like the political board you made
An interesting suggestion. Let's put it to a vote for the hell of it.
No ones going anywhere until we make that CF movie proposed by Bionic.
I don't know what proposal that was, but I can only assume there isn't enough lube in the world for what he suggested.
Can we vote on me too? I'm feeling rather left out.
I don't think we need to vote to know nobody likes you.
Does my mother still send you cookies to say things like that?
Yes, but they're oatmeal raisin.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 04, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
I don't know what proposal that was, but I can only assume there isn't enough lube in the world for what he suggested.
:-D
Here it is:
http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21229.0 (http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21229.0)
I just updated the list. I still need someone for King Cole, Mussa, amongst a few others. Am I missing anyone.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 04, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
An interesting suggestion. Let's put it to a vote for the hell of it.
you mean kind of like
QuoteA specter is haunting this board--the specter of hungry hungry hippos. All the old powers of :CF have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this specter: Admin and Mod, Fanatic and Bandwagoner, Shy Bastich and Inept Security Guard.
QuoteFilm at 11.
Lol
Quote from: hbionic on January 04, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
I just updated the list. I still need someone for King Cole, Mussa, amongst a few others. Am I missing anyone.
How bout Mitt Romney playing Hawk, or Boehner?
Shore could be played by Ernest Borgnine like in McHale's Navy
Quote from: hbionic on January 04, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
I just updated the list. I still need someone for King Cole, Mussa, amongst a few others. Am I missing anyone.
LMAO at Michael Gross for Rome.
"I am completely out of ammo....that's never happened to me before"
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2013, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 04, 2013, 03:36:42 PM
eagles fans continuing to play a big game of i know you are but what am i
its the same reaction a 9 year old has when the teacher yells at him for talking in class. "but johnny was talking too." but dan snyder is a fleshpop
is that really what its about?
i know homer romey would lean that way but i didnt think deez was a rip roaring homer
funny thing is i am on record as liking lurie...i should be the last person that they come at for criticizing him
Who the farg is criticizing you for trashing Lurie? I can't stand that asshat and I'm on record about 100 times in that regard.
I just thought it was funny that you spent half a day trashing him then got into a hissy fit for meth doing roughly the same thing briefly about Snyder and the taterskins (a sore subject to you, but I digress).
You're so amazingly obtuse it's just the height of comedy to me. And before you say it, I'm not attacking you here. Not at all. I heart you, man.
i didnt get into a hissy fit at all...i hate snyder more than any non taterskin fan in the world....i just didnt understand him coming out of left field with snyder when it had absoluetly nothing to do with lurie or really anything anyone was talking about
Guess I'm not on the fire Howie bus yet. Gonna wait until at least April for that.
Quote from: troyhstewart94 on January 05, 2013, 11:08:19 AM
Guess I'm not on the fire Howie bus yet. Gonna wait until at least April for that.
last three years dont count?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2013, 03:18:45 PM
Quote from: troyhstewart94 on January 05, 2013, 11:08:19 AM
Guess I'm not on the fire Howie bus yet. Gonna wait until at least April for that.
last three years dont count?
Not if you're Lurie...
The last three owners each got lucky with one coach and one Qb. Lurie just had his. Tose, the guy from France and Jeff. Meh. At least the first two made their own money. Silver spoon=dilettante.
La Canfora isn't a fan of Howie (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21553122/monday-observations-scrutiny-now-settling-on-shaky-eagles-gm)
That's a pretty solid rip job...
yeah, i wish it was someone a little more established and with a better writing style. he writes like a teenager, but i'll take it
not that we didnt all already know this but pretty massive dagger here....
I wish I had a dollar for every time someone told me one esteemed coach or another advised one of the Eagles' top candidates not to take the job precisely because of Roseman's presence there.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2013, 11:05:32 AM
not that we didnt all already know this but pretty massive dagger here....
I wish I had a dollar for every time someone told me one esteemed coach or another advised one of the Eagles' top candidates not to take the job precisely because of Roseman's presence there.
Yep.
Makes ya feel good about our franchise, doesn't it?
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 14, 2013, 10:00:00 AM
La Canfora isn't a fan of Howie (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21553122/monday-observations-scrutiny-now-settling-on-shaky-eagles-gm)
For real though, why us?
because very bad people like to own our teams
Lurie is as big of a problem as Howie is. zesty uniforms...zesty team...god damn wind turbines...what a farging joke he turned the team into.
hes always been the problem
he let reid hang around 6 years too long...he let his nerd friend banner run the team....he then let his nerd protege howie take control...hes running this awful coaching search
he sort of kind of sucks
I agree.
If I came to own the Eagles, bring back kelly green, I'd raze the link, build a new Vet, add grass, and be the baddest defense the NFL has ever seen.
Of course I'd still keep the jail for you yokels.
Quote from: SD on January 14, 2013, 01:40:55 PM
Lurie is as big of a problem as Howie is. zesty uniforms...zesty team...god damn wind turbines...what a farging joke he turned the team into.
Those wind turbines really get under your skin, don't they. You know he employs
women too, right?
Lurie is great in some aspects and awful in others. He really needs to just hire a legit GM and sign the checks. That way he'll have more time (and money) to devote to making movies and developing a system that converts bathroom waste into electricity so that the Linc can be powered 24/7 on piss and puke.
Quote"The rumblings about Roseman lacking nuance and foresight, about him turning people off with how drunk with power he's become, only grow louder as his coaching search grows stranger," La Canfora writes.
"Roseman isn't the general manager they should tie their wagon to," he continues. "It's clear Chip Kelly wasn't leaving Oregon for anywhere unless he had a large measure of control over the organization, and owner Jeffrey Lurie has already entrusted that to Roseman. There has been trepidation by some candidates to go all-in given the questions about this existing power structure."
Roseman is also "trying to fight a growing perception around the league that he is woefully out of his depth," La Canfora says.
Not that I disagree with that assessment, but how about getting some motherfargers on record saying that shtein instead of weaseling out by taking the informed sources bus?
Furthermore, if they've nothing nice to say, why say it at all?
DO YOUR JOB
Shefter's report contradicts everything LaCanfora said but it's easier to complain.
Heard Bowen and Roob were on DNL rippin LaCanfora's report too.
BTW - SD does hate those wind turbines eh?
so the locals are in the bag for howie?
or is the jury real out on him
lacanforas report is hardly the first one from around the league ripping howie...last year or the year before there were a few stories about how other gm's around the league couldnt stand dealing with the guy and wouldnt answer if his number came up on caller id
i would believe national/league wide reporters about a league wide story more than i would city reporters....especially disgusting eagle homers like roob....he is occasionally good with interesting elias type statistical numbers but he is worthless when it comes to his opion on the team itself
laconfora is coming up on wip where they are gonna ask him about the howie piece...included will be them playing the audio from dnl of roob and bowen going at laconfora and then laconfora will be allowed to respond
classic radio from the godly station....or you could go listen to mike and mike in the morning
laconfora just said, "I don't even know who Ruben Frank is." lol great shtein
lol - writer's beefs = epic.
Quote from: SunMo on January 15, 2013, 08:16:21 AM
laconfora just said, "I don't even know who Ruben Frank is." lol great shtein
That's awesome.
Quote from: Rome on January 15, 2013, 08:21:54 AM
lol - writer's beefs = epic.
It's almost as good as arguing with him on Facebook, amirite?
What did shefter report?
Because I just love reading speculation from douchebag writers.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2013, 08:01:59 AM
laconfora is coming up on wip where they are gonna ask him about the howie piece...included will be them playing the audio from dnl of roob and bowen going at laconfora and then laconfora will be allowed to respond
classic radio from the godly station....or you could go listen to mike and mike in the morning
Pretty sure he was on the Phanatic yesterday speaking about the piece.
Quote from: troyhstewart94 on January 15, 2013, 09:50:14 AM
Quote from: BobbyT on January 14, 2013, 09:38:40 PM
Shefter's report contradicts everything LaCanfora said but it's easier to complain.
What did shefter report?
He said last night that all of the candidates the Eagles have interviewed have been highly impressed with the organization. (He also said the Billick interview was informational only.)
Frankly, while Roseman seems to possibly be one of the worst GMs in the NFL, I doubt many coaches wouldn't want the job because HE is in charge. They just wouldn't want the job because THEY are not in charge, a la Parcells: "If I'm going to cook the dinner, I want to shop for the groceries."
i think other gm's hate roseman way more than potential coaches....but theres no question he carries a negative rep with him no matter what he does in the league...how much it weighs on a coaches mind i have no idea...but you can guarantee there hasnt been a single coaching candidate that has interviewed with the birds and not talked to andy....and as we all know andy is not howies biggest fan
The only specific thing I remember reading had something to do with a Belichick underling who wound up in the Eagles organization. Roseman did him dirty, and Reid tried to prevent it, but didn't get the top cover. So Belichick told the Kelly's not to bother.
So, because Roseman is a douche, the Eagles are getting a better head coach.
.....or anyone from the Belichick/Parcells coaching tree.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2013, 10:02:13 PM
BTW - SD does hate those wind turbines eh?
Not as much as I hate the uniform change. I don't hate the current ones, but when you have incredible Kelly Green uni's that the fans love why do you feel the need to put your stamp on the organization. That will always be my biggest pet peeve with Lurie. The wind turbine/solar panels are a farging joke. I was already sick of the Go Green campaign I had to hear every game but the installation of the turbines and solar panels put me over the edge.
I was fine with the uniform change when it first happened. The gigantic midfield logo was awful, and the silver pants were dallas-ly awful. I don't miss the silver, he wrote on a message board that uses three different shades of gray.
E.W.,
Stop baiting Havas.
Warmest Regards,
A.J.
but...but...they got those vera wanger cheerleader uni's...
But did they ever lead to a photographed lip slilp? No, so there's at least that in favor of the old ones.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 15, 2013, 05:45:47 PM
I was fine with the uniform change when it first happened. The gigantic midfield logo was awful, and the silver pants were dallas-ly awful. I don't miss the silver, he wrote on a message board that uses three different shades of gray.
worst opinion ever?
Havas,
Stop taking E.W.'s bait, fishy.
Warmish Regards,
A.J.
From Tuesday Morning QB:
Quote
Said Polian: "All three are the epitome of football men. Football teams need to be led by football men who know how coaches think, how players think. You can't learn that in business school or law school.''
Doesn't mention Howie directly, but have to think that's who was on Polian's mind.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130115/nfl-playoffs-peyton-manning-peter-king/#ixzz2I5xnEtLC
Quote from: General_Failure on January 15, 2013, 07:27:38 PM
But did they ever lead to a photographed lip slilp? No, so there's at least that in favor of the old ones.
*sigh* Ive still got that leg-kick jpeg somewhere :paranoid
Lurie accuses Banner of fueling the negative Howie stuff; Joe denies any involvement (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/Lurie-accuses-Banner-of-fueling-negative?blockID=824677&feedID=704)
CEOs gone wild
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/Lurie-accuses-Banner-of-fueling-negative?blockID=824677&feedID=704
Jeff's divorce from Christina was more amicable than it was from Joey Beans.
my immediate reaction upon hearing about the hiring of chippy...
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2013, 12:17:45 PM
this has little to do with anything but to show banner that they were able to get a guy he really wanted and who was thought to be unattainble
i feel even more strongly about it now
So all along we thought Joe Banner was raising young Howie to be Joe Banner Jr....instead Howie was Darth Sidious'ing the shtein out Darth Plagueis....that one's for you, SD
(http://justcomedies.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/donald-gibb-ogre-revenge-of-the-nerds.jpg)
So if part of this chip deal has resulted in childhood friends Nickles and Jeffy going at it in the media I am getting warmer to the whole idea.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 18, 2013, 10:17:36 AM
Lurie accuses Banner of fueling the negative Howie stuff; Joe denies any involvement (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/Lurie-accuses-Banner-of-fueling-negative?blockID=824677&feedID=704)
CEOs gone wild
Lurie is like a bored trophy wife bouncing from one "guru" to the next.
Just get a football GM, bro.
Quote from: Munson on January 18, 2013, 05:12:27 PM
So all along we thought Joe Banner was raising young Howie to be Joe Banner Jr....instead Howie was Darth Sidious'ing the shtein out Darth Plagueis....that one's for you, SD
Too nerdy for me to acknowledge
There's zero doubt in my mind Banner leaked the Roseman stuff to Lacanfora. It's obvious when he says "I had absolutely no conversation with Jason La Canfora". That part is probably true, but he plays whisper down the lane knowing it's going to get back to La Canfora and now there's a story. Banner is a weasel who's bottom line is how much money he can make. Trotter a few weeks ago called him a snake and said none of the players trusted him.
I'm not a big Roseman fan, but from listening to his interviews he seems genuine unlike Banner with his monotone lets-get-this-over-with-so-I-can-get-back-to-making-money voice and his little snicker.
is it possible the birds arent going to hire any football front office guys?....like no assistant GM or vice prez of football operations?
it cant just be howie can it?
Didn't Kelly bring his pal from OU to be assistant GM?
yeah but he was oregons "chief of staff" whatever that means...im talking about real nfl PP people
i posted before my big fear with this staff is that its going to be a college organization....and unless theres more to come on the nfl front this makes my worst fears realized
its actually amazing howie even let chip do this...tho i suspect that harris will have little to no input as far as PP goes
The coach who wouldn't leave his Nike research facility without some say in what players they get would definitely get his buddy a cushy GM job where he doesn't have to do any of that pesky GM stuff. Chip is already the worst coach ever.
Kudos to Howie so far.
I question some of his re-signings thus far, but at least he has a plan and knows how to work the cap. He's not making excuses and blaming Chip, he took the bull by the horns and is implementing his plan.
I'll wait till to see what he can do in free agency and the draft before blowing him, but for now I think the guy deserves credit, especially after what he had to endure with Chip.
theres no singular move I will kill him on but all hes done is thrown jefferys money at people who were already on the team none of which wanted to leave and none of which are great players...and hes done this under an exploding cap where pretty much every team in the nfl has room and will continue to have room for years to come....so its not like hes worked magic with the numbers
and actually the one guy who is really good has yet to be extended
id grade him incomplete thus far
i do agree that he has a plan and is religious about it...which is resigning his own guys...we will just have to wait and see if that was the right strategy
im cautiously optimistic
birds have 35 million bucks in guaranteed salary for 2017 and beyond....the next closest team in the nfl is miami with 15 million
Nothing we don't already know, but seeing Howie's key moves since returning to the throne all laid out like this in one article is impressive:
http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/22898/how-the-eagles-were-built-into-contenders-at-warp-speed-or-88-mph-at-least
His master plan started in March 2016, which by no coincidence is when the last update to this thread was. Even all the Howie haters on CF (a group I've sometimes been a member of) have had nothing to bitch about for the last year and a half.
I don't know if Howie will ever assemble a SB winning roster. Time will tell. But after this franchise went through the wood Chipper, I honestly never thought that less than 2 years later I'd be watching an 8-1 team that looks to be as good as any team in the league. I know it doesn't take long to rebuild in the NFL but the franchise was not in good shape at all. Bad players, bad contracts, no 1st round pick...just an all around broken system. Howie gets major props for spearheading a relatively quick turnaround.
lets all stop jerking each other off...if they dont win a playoff game this year then he didnt do shtein and its back to the starting line with every other team in the nfl except maybe cleveland....next year their coaching staff is going to be ravaged they have no draft picks and in theory a much tougher schedule....shtein just on paper its probably atlanta carolina houston minnesota new orleans jacksonville tennessee and rams
shtein can they at least get thru the next four weeks relatively unscathed...they have had a nice stretch this year against garbage comp but they might not even be in the top three teams in their conference
all that said he does deserve massive credit for getting what seems like a franchise qb which hopefully keeps them in the playoff mix most years a bunch of things fall right so they can nab a sb
also contenders at warp speed is a silly notion in the nfl....this year alone its looking like 8 teams will make the playoffs who missed last year...next year eagles could be one of the teams out....then what?
Trust the Rosess, IGY.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 14, 2017, 03:57:41 PM
lets all stop jerking each other off...if they dont win a playoff game this year then he didnt do shtein and its back to the starting line with every other team in the nfl except maybe cleveland....next year their coaching staff is going to be ravaged they have no draft picks and in theory a much tougher schedule....shtein just on paper its probably atlanta carolina houston minnesota new orleans jacksonville tennessee and rams
shtein can they at least get thru the next four weeks relatively unscathed...they have had a nice stretch this year against garbage comp but they might not even be in the top three teams in their conference
all that said he does deserve massive credit for getting what seems like a franchise qb which hopefully keeps them in the playoff mix most years a bunch of things fall right so they can nab a sb
also contenders at warp speed is a silly notion in the nfl....this year alone its looking like 8 teams will make the playoffs who missed last year...next year eagles could be one of the teams out....then what?
I agree it is too early to celebrate but his ability to get them out of that mess is impressive.
Which coaches do you expect to be ravaged?
Also - settle down with the schedule talk for who they play next year. No guarantee those teams will be worth a shtein either.
Defillipo 100%
Reich 80%
Schwartz 65%
and of course there's no guarantee anyone is gonna be good next year including the eagles but it's a lock the eagles sked is much more difficult
frank reich is not going to be a head coach
Is anyone really worried if Frank Reich leaves? Obviously it's nice that the OC is a former QB, but I imagine that his impact on the offense is probably fairly minimal overall.
Pedersen, regardless of what you think of him, is the brains behind the offense and if he's running things anything like Andy did, then OC is probably the most interchangeable position on the coaching staff.
If anything, I'd rather see them encourage Reich to go elsewhere and promote DiFillipo.
Difillipo is getting a HC job so unless you fire Doug (which they should) he gone
hopefully at least Schwartzy stays...which is possible since offensive coaches are so en vogue
i went through it earlier but im not sure where schwartz's landing spot is this go round
Quote from: A01 on November 14, 2017, 05:14:12 PM
Is anyone really worried if Frank Reich leaves?
Honestly, I'm looking forward to it. That means we can bring in Koy Detmer. :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 14, 2017, 03:57:41 PM
they have no draft picks
Not really true. They have their first. If they really want to get back into the 3rd round they have an extra 4th and a 5th to move up. So essentially they're missing their 2nd round pick.
I think O Line gets addressed in the first round
The position I'm most concerned with is WR. Smith is straight trash, not sure why he's still on the team. Agholor is a good player but he's a slot guy, Mack Hollins I'm fine with but he's not putting fear into any defense. The wildcard is Jeffery. I'd love to have him back, he's not the stud we thought he was but he's still an efficient receiver and defenses respect him. He's not getting close to what he wants in FA. Hell, he's overpaid right now. But if they could get him back on a fair deal then that position is set. The FA WR class is pretty bad next season (Jeffery/Watkins/Landry).
if you run it back with jeffrey, hollins, agholor and ____ you should be ok. remember wentz is a top 5 qb, he doesnt need aj green and mike evans on the outside to put up yards.
to me the biggest need is LB. thats where id spend the 1. but i wouldnt be mad if they drafted a lineman. thing is you have your top 7 under contract for next year.
i can't imagine howie letting us go into the draft without a 2/3 round pick. no way.
trade that first down, and trade off a cb, which we now have many of for picks.
In what might be the most unbelievable turnaround in pro football history, Howie was named NFL Executive of the Year.
Crazy.
I'll give him props, though.
They should still probably fire him, just to be safe.
:-D
This second act rivals that of Foles.
Chip stashed him somewhere in the basement and took away his red stapler (and cap calculator).
Now he's burned a dynasty down.
In 11 months:
Celebrating a coin flip to celebrating a lombardi
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/2819hd.jpg)
Is it wrong that I get misty eyed when I see that trophy in the possession of anyone in the organization?
Because if it is I don't wanna be right.
Howie has done a remarkable job. Every button he pushed was the right one.
To be here so quickly after Chip completely blew up the team is nothing short of amazing.
Can't find the Howie doin the AI/Lue step over Chip pic but if anyone has it post it.
the old howie wouldve already destroyed chip
the new howie probably wont say anything publicly but god damnit he ought to
https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/979007294913568768
Really, how could he not? Exiled when Kelley came onboard, he came back with a vengeance. Had something to prove and he proved it in spades.
Re-upped thru 2022. Dougie too.
Let's do this!
or has that been replaced by "Let's go!"
I can't believe they still haven't fired this guy.
Bump
Listening to that press conference made me ill.
QuoteBut for better or worse, we are quarterback developers. We want to be a quarterback factory and we have the right people in place to do that and no team in the National Football League has benefited more from developing quarterbacks than the Philadelphia Eagles. This is who we are.
So Philly is where quarterbacks come to develop and go on to bigger and better things. McNabb was amazing after he "developed". Kevin Kolb, spectacular. Foles - record setting!
Howie, just get the farg out of here.
Can we just move the entire 2020 draft into this thread? I don't know if I can take day 3.
So right now we have Shawn Andrews Jr at the second most important position on offense and a rugby player with no nfl experience as his back up
Two injury prone starting receivers in their 30's. A 2nd round bust, and a guy who were banking on being good because his qb at tcu was bad
Miles Sanders who's prone to injury and no solid backup. Like Scott but he's a change of pace 5 touches a game max type player
Wentz/Sudfield/Hurts...a qb factory
On D:
DE's are an aging Graham, an injury prone slightly above average Barnett, Sweat who made some plays last season and still hasn't hit his ceiling and some guy we traded for who couldn't stay on the roster for the Browns
DT no complaints
LB Not the most important position but can you name me a worse starting group in the league?
DB Slay...and the #2 cb is who exactly? Jones who's injury prone and hasn't lived up to expecatarions, Douglas who they've been trying to trade for two seasons but nobody wants him, Maddox who's probably better at safety. At safety McLeod who's above average, Mills lol...and nothing else.
Safe to say this has disaster written all over it. I love the Cowboys draft, Lamb, Riggs should have went in round 1, Gallimore was a steal in the 3rd. Their interior d line now has Gerald McCoy and Poe. They're not in their prime but they're still good players. Safe to say they're the favorites in the East. With all the injuries last season I didn't see a scenario where the birds could take a step backwards but here we are.
Get rid of this bum. Thanks for 2017 now go.
https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-general-manager-howie-roseman-doug-pederson-fire-owner-jeffrey-lurie-surrounds-himself-people-trust-ben-fennell-draft-offensive-tackles-20201217.html?outputType=amp&__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar&__twitter_impression=true
He's never leaving. He could prob bang Lurie's wife and it still wouldn't get him canned
Banner wasn't supposed to get fired, either. Lurie's slow, and might actually die before he gets around to firing Howie.
howie is the second worst draft picker in the nfl..
https://www.nfl.com/news/general-manager-power-rankings-nfl-draft-edition
Howie Roseman
Best pick: Dallas Goedert | Round 2 (No. 49), 2018
Worst pick: J.J. Arcega-Whiteside | Round 2 (No. 57), 2019
Roseman's first pick back in charge after the Chip Kelly era was Carson Wentz. Signing Wentz to a massive second contract has proven far more costly (the Eagles have a $33.8 million dead-money hit in 2021, per Over The Cap) than moving up to select him second overall, as Wentz contributed significantly to a Super Bowl title and two other playoff teams. The picks Philadelphia traded away for Wentz, however, left the team with a smaller margin for error that Roseman didn't sufficiently compensate for with quality selections. The next-best picks since 2016 include Dallas Goedert, Miles Sanders, Avonte Maddox and Derek Barnett. Roseman deserves credit for an Eagles roster that was loaded from 2017 to '19, but it wasn't because of recent drafts
The Wentz business is stupid for a lot of reasons, but mostly because Wentz was huge in 2017 and there's no way they won the Super Bowl without him. Turns out he was a bitch but even the contract Roseman signed him to turned out to be fairly easy to get out of in the end.
Howie's been horrible for a million different reasons but I'll give him credit for getting Wentz and winning a Lombardi.
Thought that recent Athletic story indicated that JJAW was a Jeff Lurie special.
The real surprise is there's someone worse
https://twitter.com/BrandonGowton/status/1384314237938438144
It has to be said that turning a #6 into Smith and next year's Fins first was vintage "good Howie". There's a solid contingent of Eagles fans who would have taken Smith at #6.
Hated the trade with Dallas but no complaints with Smith or the trade back. Still farg Howie
like I'm not against getting smith or a first next year but running a franchise into oblivion doesn't get cancelled out by a couple of let's see what happens
moves
I would have one million percent been huge pro Howie had he got Justin fields without moving up and the 1 next year
that shtein would have been exciting
Justin Fields?
No.
100% should have been the pick...I'm not going to pretend I know he's going to be a franchise QB but I do know jalen hurtz isn't and devonta smith is changing nothing for the franchise
The trade with dallas was really a win/win for each team. Howie got to do the right thing and trade up a couple of slots to get Smith. Jerruh got to trade down, get an extra pick, and still get the player with the most character concerns.
I'm not as down on Howie as most people. I don't disagree with most of the common criticisms but he shows signs of having a phoenix rising from his ashes kind of thing. He really did do an amazing job exorcising Chip's guys from the roster to quickly build a championship team. It's not an impossibility for him to learn from his mistakes, especially with his back against the wall.
Interesting what if: would you have preferred what they did to, say, staying put, having the Giants take Smith, and then having the Bears trade you their first rounder next year to move up to get their QB? So you end up at 20, AND potentially have 4 first rounders next year?
That is an interesting question, I thought about it earlier. The monkey fan in me wants the instant gratification of seeing Smith sear through division secondaries. But from a roster management GM pov I'd have to go with the trade. Rashod Batemen would have been a good consolation prize and next year's draft should be less of the crap shoot this year is. And, has there even ever been a team with 4 1st rounders? Crazy.
tons of time to go and at the start of this year Mac Jones and Zach Wilson weren't on any top pick radars but from the people in the know next years qb class is historically bad
I would have taken Justin fields this year and three potential ones next year
Awwwwkward
https://twitter.com/jeff_mclane/status/1388316071002886152 21
Howie basically said some were disappointed guys they had on the board were taken ahead of them after trading back.
They only went from 70 to 73
So that means Donahoe wanted OT Brady Christensen, CB Aaron Robinson or DT Alim McNeil
more likely howie is full of shtein and he went off the board that Donahoe and weidel spent all offseason putting together
HA!! Highlight of the draft for me.
"Ah Howie, wrong Williams"
I'm so glad that clip was posted...I saw it live and was dismayed that none of the talking heads mentioned it. Donahoe was the most obviously unhappy suit but none of them were too pleased to have Howie approach offering a bump.
Always fun when a moment of reality seeps into the nonstop staged bullshtein of the draft. I used to have draft parties but now it's the NFL's Academy Awards and I'd rather just get alerts on my phone about the Eagles picks. Actually it's worse than that because most of these celebrated guys will be abject failures in the NFL.
I watched a lot of the ABC coverage of the first two nights, won't be watching anything today.
One piece of reality that's on full display and no one says "boo" about is these draft rooms are chock full of White guys. Old ones, young ones, middle age ones. Football players, data dweebs, largely White....in a sport with what, 70% black players for what, the last 35 years?
https://twitter.com/JimmyKempski/status/1504407086641336327 20&t=4XAcCPq3RGF5exl0paPfAA
Quote from: MDS on January 10, 2010, 10:53:36 PM
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12 years later im still anti semitic...nice
anyway i cannot believe howie is only 46
Anyone shocked by him getting extended is dumb. As long as Lurie is alive Howie is there too
i mean he was fired as GM once but yeah once he won the SB he got a lifetime contract
No doubt. Plus that one year when he was exiled to a windowless office counting rolls of tape I'm sure Jeff felt bad and vowed he'd never be Howieless again
https://twitter.com/crossingbroad/status/1588333867886612480 46&t=2jeRKInUWBNY5bVO4KI0Mg
Lmao respect for Howie just went up immensely
Holy shtein that's fantastic
here's the sign he was responding to
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgrXhH9XgAE1IwL?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/zberm/status/1618689903591841794 46&t=gIBeDBnSZb3Xdj4uqDN8pQ
Okay but farg him if they don't get a ring this year.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 26, 2023, 03:52:00 PM
Okay but farg him if they don't get a ring this year.
tough crowd.
I probably won't get it, but I'm looking forward to deeper treatment of this tampering settlement between the Cardinals and Eagles.
Has a violation of tampering regulations ever been resolved before by a trade (of draft picks, or any other asset) between the teams?
Is there a precedent for the teams concerned finding a resolution to a tampering claim on their own?
Who decides the penalties for rules violations, the league, or the offending and injured parties themselves?
Howie appears to have turned a phone call into Value. Eagles got pick #66 in return for pick #94, and a 2024 5th round pick. I don't have a draft chart value calculator, but I think I'm safe to assume that's pretty substantial compensation for .... a phone call.
The Cards self-reported, so that's probably why Daddy Goodell gave them the chance to work it out with the Birds. The 66 is worth 260 points and 94 is worth 124, so regardless of the fifth, the Eagles won that deal.
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2023, 10:52:52 AM
The 66 is worth 260 points and 94 is worth 124, so regardless of the fifth, the Eagles won that deal.
So you're saying the Eagles won a deal they forced the Cardinals to make?
Making them give up a pick for a DC that lost to every QB better than Cousins is just hurtful.
https://twitter.com/phillysport/status/1652058230099419139 20
With conventional trading the pick is about the equivalent of an early 4th round pick. A nice little chunk of change but nothing to write home about. A little more worrisome is that maybe Gannon was thinking about new HC stardom while he could have been thinking about things like not getting burnt back to back on horribly blown coverages to piss away a SB.
Quote from: Hurts_Defense_Superbowl on April 28, 2023, 05:49:13 PM
https://twitter.com/phillysport/status/1652058230099419139 20
farg that guy
so the eagles are thrilled gannon is gone and were also willing to pay him more to be a DC than a HC to get him to stay
i see
They hired Patricia, so maybe Howie has a huge bet going that they can win the super bowl with the worst defensive coaching staff ever.?