With MDS' boy Tomas Perez getting released and them optioning Chris Coste to Scranton, the 25-man roster is now set. The Phils finished spring training with a team record 19 wins and the season starts tomorrow.
Cactcher
Mike Lieberthal
Sal Fasano
Infielders
Ryan Howard
Chase Utley
Jimmy Rollins
David Bell
Alex Gonzalez
Abraham Nunez
Outfielders
Pat Burrell
Aaron Rowand
Bobby Abreu
Shane Victorino
David Dellucci
Starting Rotation
Jon Lieber
Brett Myers
Cory Lidle
Gavin Floyd
Ryan Madson
Bullpen
Geoff Geary
Julio Santana
Rheal Cormier
Ryan Franklin
Aaron Fultz
Arthur Rhodes
Flash Gordon
(http://www.morofilms.com/images/screen/Tomas%20w%20gun%202%20head.jpg)
happy suicide watch season, everyone!
phreak you suck, i was all ready to start this thread.
it sucks to be gay like you
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 02, 2006, 06:13:47 PM
phreak you suck, i was all ready to start this thread.
Sorry.
Tonight I work on the PhreakMo production thread of the Bobby Abreu Tracker. :)
i dont know about his sexuality. but maybe it has something to do with his lack of skill at goalie.
game tommorrow is at 3, its on cbs. johnny lieber vs. chris carpenter. gettin ready for another season that will surly wind up with a mass of people jumping off the ben franklin.
i'll be there, my 1st opening day, i'm feeling tight in the front of my pants.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2006, 06:19:00 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 02, 2006, 06:13:47 PM
phreak you suck, i was all ready to start this thread.
Sorry.
Tonight I work on the PhreakMo production thread of the Bobby Abreu Tracker. :)
nice, this year, we leave it up to science
QuoteDellucci said he was devastated by the trade.
"Disappointed, angry ... frustrated," he said. "I say angry because I feel so close to the guys on the team, and I feel good about what we had going on that I wanted to be a part of it. ... I even passed up a chance to play [for Italy] in the World Baseball Classic because of that."
from the Star-Telegram
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 02, 2006, 07:21:26 PM
QuoteDellucci said he was devastated by the trade.
"Disappointed, angry ... frustrated," he said. "I say angry because I feel so close to the guys on the team, and I feel good about what we had going on that I wanted to be a part of it. ... I even passed up a chance to play [for Italy] in the World Baseball Classic because of that."
from the Star-Telegram
Eh, give him some time to adjust. It's understandable to be angry if it came as a shock.
Besides, he'll calm down when he realizes that he'll be winning the World Series with the Phils rather than losing 90+ with the Rangers. >:D
Im ready to enjoy a season without Ed Wade.
Thome just crushed one out to right after JMike made a nice catch....yep.....
Good for Thome.
He's been on fire. 7 HRs in the final 8 ST games and now a bomb tonight.
I hope he keeps it up and all of the nitwits who blasted him in this city can eat a fat serving of crow.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2006, 12:49:32 AM
I hope he keeps it up and all of the nitwits who blasted him in this city can eat a fat serving of crow.
He deserved it. He was making big dollars and doing nothing due to injuries.
I guess there's still hope for Shawn Barber after all.
If Thome stays healthy, the Right Sox can win the WS again, no doubt. I think a Sox-Phils WS would be ace. I am definitely rooting for A-Row this season.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 03, 2006, 12:42:41 AM
Thome just crushed one out to right after JMike made a nice catch....yep.....
Just wondering what your point is with this? Are you questioning the moves to get rid of JMike and Thome?
Quote from: henchmanUK on April 03, 2006, 08:25:46 AM
A-Row
These nicknames have completely jumped the shark. "A-Row"?? C'mon.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on April 03, 2006, 08:25:46 AM
A-Row
These nicknames have completely jumped the shark. "A-Row"?? C'mon.
I thought he just wanted to get a seat up front when the two teams play in the World Series.
Oh... zing!
no need to panic....it's only april...there's still 162 games left
::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 03, 2006, 08:32:12 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 03, 2006, 12:42:41 AM
Thome just crushed one out to right after JMike made a nice catch....yep.....
Just wondering what your point is with this? Are you questioning the moves to get rid of JMike and Thome?
Not at all. Just pointing out what two ex-Phils did on back-to-back plays...
i got a bad feeling J-Roll's streak ends today.
saw a lot of phils gear out this morning. time to take over the city with winning baseball. ha.
I'm sporting my jersey, time to paint the town red. Go Phils.
ESPN predictions (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview06/news/story?page=06expertpicks)
Slightly overcast today...the radar shows a band of rain showers just getting to Baltimore now. So it looks like we will see a little rain today.
I think Jimmy gets 2 hits (single and double)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2006, 01:26:56 PM
I think Jimmy gets 2 hits (single and double)
Maybe tomorrow. He almost certainly goes 0-fer today.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2006, 01:26:56 PM
I think Jimmy gets 2 hits (single and double)
Maybe tomorrow. He almost certainly goes 0-fer today.
cmon Patt....keep the faith brother....he will break Joe Dimaggio's record. Why are you laughing?
Actually, I think he'll probably fall one game short, because that would provide the maximum pain for all of us.
My bold prediction. Jimmy Rollins will be an average player with below average leadoff stats who Phillie fans still extoll as an allstar.
Cardinals
1. David Eckstein SS
2. Juan Encarnacion RF
3. Albert Pujols 1B
4. Jim Edmonds CF
5. Scott Rolen 3B
6. So Taguchi LF
7. Yadier Molina C
8. Aaron Miles 2B
9. Chris Carpenter RHP
Phillies
1. Jimmy Rollins SS
2. Abraham Nunez 3B
3. Bobby Abreu RF
4. Chase Utley 2B
5. Pat Burrell LF
6. Ryan Howard 1B
7. Aaron Rowand CF
8. Mike Lieberthal C
9. Jon Lieber RHP
Quote from: MDS on April 03, 2006, 12:15:43 PMsaw a lot of phils gear out this morning.
Maybe it was the Bloods...
David Bell plays a game at 3B and gets hurt. yes!
I have goosebumps right now. Such a fag.
leiber has an era of 9.00 this season
he sucks.
cut him.
Go Phils. Do good; don't suck.
P.S. My prediction is that the Phils will win less than 85 games this year and miss the playoffs.
why are 2 of the 1st 3 games scheduled for 3pm?
because you molest children
That inside pitch with Pujols at the plate should have been called strike 3.
Lieby up with Rowand in scoring position and 2 outs... I know where this is going.
farg this im out go eagles
Jon Lieber will get to lead off the bottom of the 3rd. Hell yes.
maybe the game will get stopped by the rain and they can start over again tomorrow.
Nunez with a nice play at 3rd and a double. Anyone see where I'm going with this?
I forgot to say this earlier:
GO CARDS!!
And in case I forget, I'd like to say it in advance for Wednesday and Thursday as well...
8)
World. Series.
I thought it was supposed to rain.... :-\
Rolen with a GS, 10-0. Get the batteries out early.
Season over.
wow
10-0
well at least i dont have to rush home to watch.
:woot:
Go Cards, Go Cards.....
:boom nice start to the season, it's early though ::)
10-1 now
burrell homered.
season's back on.
i love wheels
Upper deck shot from Pujols. 13-1. This is great.
lol
MVP!!
Too early?
No hits for Rollins yet, either, right?
They should activate a mercy killing rule like they do in little league for the Phils this season.
damn you Fultz, i should have never drafted you.
you think rolen was upset after he was booed for hitting a grand slam?
i think he was, i saw him dabbing tears away with a $100 bill in the dugout.
The Phillies sure could use Rolen. And some pitching. Some pitching wouldn't hurt either.
You know, that Pujols kid might have a future in this league. He might turn into a pretty good player one day.
Quote from: Hollywood on April 03, 2006, 04:48:01 PM
You know, that Pujols kid might have a future in this league. He might turn into a pretty good player one day.
doubtful
poo-holes
13-2 on an Utley RBI double. JRoll is 0-3
they need a TD on the next drive to get back in the game, RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE!
Quote from: Wingspan on April 03, 2006, 04:48:38 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on April 03, 2006, 04:48:01 PM
You know, that Pujols kid might have a future in this league. He might turn into a pretty good player one day.
doubtful
poo-holes
dont be stealing my nicknames for Poo-holes. :deion
i take no credit for that. but i will still use it.
much like fastfreddie and his fark jokes
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 03, 2006, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 03, 2006, 04:16:28 PM
Season over.
Glad to see you've come around.
Do us all a favor then. Don't watch them this season....that way, we don't have to hear you cry like a bitch after every loss.
i fully reserve the right to bitch after ever loss. just sayin that now to get it out of the way.
Howard homers to left center to get them back within 10. Rally time!
other than the phillies pitchers. everyone has a hit today, except rollins. so far.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 03, 2006, 04:53:41 PM
they need a TD on the next drive to get back in the game, RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE!
This made me squirt Pepsi One out my nose. Thanks a lot.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 03, 2006, 04:57:19 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 03, 2006, 04:18:17 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 03, 2006, 04:16:28 PM
Season over.
Glad to see you've come around.
Do us all a favor then. Don't watch them this season....that way, we don't have to hear you cry like a bitch after every loss.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I'll continue to watch and bitch at will. It's my birthright as a Phillies fans.
who the hell is this new guy on the radio for the phils?
Ha
Ha
Ha
John Cocktostone. He's Scotch-Romanian.
13-4
Rollins is 0-4 but will get at least one more AB...
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 03, 2006, 05:12:01 PM
Rollins is 0-4 but will end up 0-5 when all's said and done.
Yep.
No doubt, streak ends today.
He was smacked the two balls to centerfield, unfortunately right to Edmonds.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 03, 2006, 05:23:58 PM
He was smacked the two balls to centerfield, unfortunately predictably right to Edmonds at someone.
0-3 with sac fly. He gave that at-bat up for the team. Good man! I really wish he would get a hit though. It would be great. I love J Roll!
Rollins would be the league's best 7th hitter and a pretty good guy in the 2-spot. As a leadoff hitter he's a joke.
Rollins with a double to extend the streak. My prediction is it won't last the week.
Amazing.
dammit.
boooooooooooooo
We should have kept Wade as GM.
Damn, SD. You've turned quite salty since moving home, eh? :-D
5 runs on 14 hits? Yep, that's Phillies baseball at it's finest.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2006, 06:06:38 PM
Damn, SD. You've turned quite salty since moving home, eh? :-D
He's thalthy as a thubmarine full of theaman.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2006, 06:06:38 PM
Damn, SD. You've turned quite salty since moving home, eh? :-D
A little, the migraine I have doesn't help matters much. Go Phils.
They're losing their next game, too.
Farg all you negative pricks!!
And oh by the way, i'm moving back to the area dammit. That's right...April 13 is D-Day bitches!! I'll be living in Reading for a month or two and then most likely King of Prussia area after i get a place.
I'll be able to terrorize the poor Philly kids with my teaching!!
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 06:25:29 PM
They're losing their next game, too.
This is not news to anyone with a brain.
I could definitely see a Cardinals sweep.
Damn...it rubs off quick.
I hope it doesn't get me that quickly!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on April 03, 2006, 06:42:21 PM
I'll be living in Reading for a month or two and then most likely King of Prussia area after i get a place.
i lived there for 18 years. just make sure you have a gun or knife on you at all times.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 03, 2006, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: The Waco Kid on April 03, 2006, 06:42:21 PM
I'll be living in Reading for a month or two and then most likely King of Prussia area after i get a place.
i lived there for 18 years. just make sure you have a gun or knife on you at all times.
Reading used to be a bunch of dopey white people, like in the 50's. Now my dad would almost certainly get mugged and beaten on the street he used to call home for much of his young life.
He wouldn't get beaten, but he'd be addicted to heroine by the time he got from his car to the front door of the neighborhood Wawa.
There's no way in hell he'd make it all the way to the front door.
Yeah, freebasing won't mix well with the hot dose he'd inevitably shoot.
Wags had a save today :'(
Burn Gordon!
Rough game to listen to (had XM Radio while crawling down I-75 after school). Just game 1 of 162. Pull it together and go at it again Wednesday.
Loved hearing the baritone voice of Harry Kalas again, though! :yay
well....that was not as much fun as it could've been. but i did see a fight 2 rows in front of me, so that was nice.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 03, 2006, 08:08:06 PM
Burn Gordon!
True. I do blame him for not having a save today also.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 03, 2006, 06:44:17 PM
I could definitely see a Cardinals sweep.
Preach the Gospel, Brother!!
Go Cards!!
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 07:47:06 PM
Reading used to be a bunch of dopey white people, like in the 50's. Now my dad would almost certainly get mugged and beaten on the street he used to call home for much of his young life.
your pops is from reading? what HS?
Quote from: phattymatty on April 03, 2006, 09:36:57 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 07:47:06 PM
Reading used to be a bunch of dopey white people, like in the 50's. Now my dad would almost certainly get mugged and beaten on the street he used to call home for much of his young life.
your pops is from reading? what HS?
He's the real deal, bro. Reading HS Red Knights represent.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on April 03, 2006, 09:26:24 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 03, 2006, 06:44:17 PM
I could definitely see a Cardinals sweep.
Preach the Gospel, Brother!!
Go Cards!!
Its only cool if you're a Phils fan.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 09:38:49 PM
He's the real deal, bro. Reading HS Red Knights represent.
word, i go back about 2-3 times a year for holidays. it gets ghettoer and ghettoer every time.
We used to visit. We don't anymore.
So we went to the opener today, six tickets at $20 bucks per for nose bleeds, 10 beers at $6.25 each, and some other expensive junk, and a long drive round trip from Virginia for our first trip to Citizens Bank Park. Beautiful stadium, it's a shame the Phils stunk up the joint so badly today. Believe me, it was ten times worse to watch the debacle in person. Only a first game though, at least they were knocking the ball around decently. :-\
Pics:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/DSC01499.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/DSC01499.jpg)
This pic was at the middle of the exodus that took place right after Rolen's grand slam.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/DSC01516.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 03, 2006, 10:22:40 PM
So we went to the opener today, six tickets at $20 bucks per for nose bleeds, 10 beers at $6.25 each, and some other expensive junk, and a long drive round trip from Virginia for our first trip to Citizens Bank Park. Beautiful stadium, it's a shame the Phils stunk up the joint so badly today. Believe me, it was ten times worse to watch the debacle in person. Only a first game though, at least they were knocking the ball around decently. :-\
Pics:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/DSC01499.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/DSC01499.jpg)
This pic was at the middle of the exodus that took place right after Rolen's grand slam.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/DSC01516.jpg)
watching the Phils dump another home opener in Phillies fashion.....PRICELESS!
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 03, 2006, 10:22:40 PM
at least they were knocking the ball around decently. :-\
Until they had runners on base and/or in scoring position.
Quote from: reese125 on April 03, 2006, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 03, 2006, 10:22:40 PM
[Massive quote with massive pictures/]
watching the Phils dump another home opener in Phillies fashion.....PRICELESS!
Dear god. Don't do that again.
hoping reese gets his face, balls and cock bitten off by a horde of angry monkeys...priceless
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 03, 2006, 10:34:58 PM
hoping reese gets his face, balls and cock bitten off by a horde of angry monkeys...priceless
you guys roommates?
Yes. We take turns logging on and off of the same computer just to badmouth you.
OR, and I know that this is far fetched but stay with me, it could be that your posts are so bad so inane, so desperately calling out for comment that two complete strangers could easily recognize your stupidity and comment independently.
But we're probably roommates.
you answered my question correctly...appreciate it. keep up the work, you two look cute together
SunMo you were supposed to comment right after Rj...what happened? I just killed your streak..sorry.
QuoteLoser Jon Lieber picked up where he left off in spring training, giving up eight runs and nine hits in 3 1/3 innings.
General commentary, referring to today's game, or both?
me and sun were in the WWF section
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2006, 11:42:36 PM
me and sun were in the WWF section
...and here reese was sure that
rjs was Sun's man-lover.
(http://orgs.man.ac.uk/courses/accessibility/site/images/wwf_large.gif)
was sure that rjs was Sun's man-lover
oh dont doubt that for a second...i would never think of interfering with the cyber love that IS sun mo and rjs
RJS, don't forget to bring home that balm for your anal sores.
QuoteRollins said he wasn't fazed by the thought that Wainwright might be trying to pitch around him. Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, on the other hand, was becoming increasingly unhappy. After the count went 2-0, and again at 3-0, he motioned to the mound, telling Wainwright to throw the ball down the middle.
"The No. 1 thing is that you're supposed to play the game right," he explained. "You get a lead, you're not supposed to walk anybody. I didn't want [this] morning to read or hear somebody say the streak stopped because the Cardinals didn't pitch to him in his last at-bat. That isn't what the Cardinals represent."
Not really a LaRussa fan, but I liked this.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 03, 2006, 08:08:06 PM
Burn Gordon!
True. I do blame him for not having a save today also.
IMO Gordon will suck major nuts this year, and yes it was his fault. ;D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2006, 09:13:06 AM
QuoteRollins said he wasn't fazed by the thought that Wainwright might be trying to pitch around him. Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, on the other hand, was becoming increasingly unhappy. After the count went 2-0, and again at 3-0, he motioned to the mound, telling Wainwright to throw the ball down the middle.
"The No. 1 thing is that you're supposed to play the game right," he explained. "You get a lead, you're not supposed to walk anybody. I didn't want [this] morning to read or hear somebody say the streak stopped because the Cardinals didn't pitch to him in his last at-bat. That isn't what the Cardinals represent."
Not really a LaRussa fan, but I liked this.
how is that different than favre laying down for strahan's record breaking sack?
He didn't throw him a lame duck, he just threw strikes instead of walking him.
Albert Pujols is batting 1.000 with a 4.000 slugging percentage against the Phillies this year. Those are good numbers.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 04, 2006, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2006, 09:13:06 AM
QuoteRollins said he wasn't fazed by the thought that Wainwright might be trying to pitch around him. Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, on the other hand, was becoming increasingly unhappy. After the count went 2-0, and again at 3-0, he motioned to the mound, telling Wainwright to throw the ball down the middle.
"The No. 1 thing is that you're supposed to play the game right," he explained. "You get a lead, you're not supposed to walk anybody. I didn't want [this] morning to read or hear somebody say the streak stopped because the Cardinals didn't pitch to him in his last at-bat. That isn't what the Cardinals represent."
Not really a LaRussa fan, but I liked this.
how is that different than favre laying down for strahan's record breaking sack?
Because throwing a strike doesn't guarantee a hit. You can still ground out, pop out or whatever. The hitter has to do some work. Favre laying down on the ground guaranteed the record because all Gappy had to do was lay on him and dry hump him a little bit.
a fast ball down the middle might as well be a lame duck
it's not the same, move on.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2006, 09:42:10 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 04, 2006, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2006, 09:13:06 AM
QuoteRollins said he wasn't fazed by the thought that Wainwright might be trying to pitch around him. Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, on the other hand, was becoming increasingly unhappy. After the count went 2-0, and again at 3-0, he motioned to the mound, telling Wainwright to throw the ball down the middle.
"The No. 1 thing is that you're supposed to play the game right," he explained. "You get a lead, you're not supposed to walk anybody. I didn't want [this] morning to read or hear somebody say the streak stopped because the Cardinals didn't pitch to him in his last at-bat. That isn't what the Cardinals represent."
Not really a LaRussa fan, but I liked this.
how is that different than favre laying down for strahan's record breaking sack?
Because throwing a strike doesn't guarantee a hit. You can still ground out, pop out or whatever. The hitter has to do some work. Favre laying down on the ground guaranteed the record because all Gappy had to do was lay on him and dry hump him a little bit.
i smell homerism.
people here rag about farve laying down all the time.
but a fastball down the middle of the plate is as close to that as you can get in baseball, unless the pitcher underhands it.
if one is tainted, so is the other. if rollins hits to 56 games, this could be seen as a second "*" (the first being 2 season...which i do think is harder than 1 season)
gotta love Wingspan being the contrarian just for his own amusement
Whatever. Even without LaRussa saying that stuff it is common knowledge that on a 3-0 pitch you are going to get a fastball grooved down the pipe. The question is, are you going to swing 3-0 or are you going to take it and try to work a walk. When losing by 8 in the 8th inning you usually take the pitch because you need baserunners. But Charlie gave him the green light.
Keep on trying to say its Favre-Strahan II. It's not. Unless you think that just because a fastball is thrown on a line guarantees a hit. But that'd be stupid to think that.
Wingspan,
With a big lead, the last thing a manager wants to see is a pitcher walking a hitter. He wasn't telling the pitcher to throw batting practice, but to give Rollins a chance to hit the ball. Doesn't matter about a hitting streak, he'd rather see a hit than a walk.
Even the best hitters on average get on base less than one-third of the time, whereas a walk would have automatically put a runner on base. With a 13-5 lead, LaRussa would rather take his chances on a hit than hand out walks, especially to a speed guy like Rollins.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2006, 09:56:15 AM
Keep on trying to say its Favre-Strahan II. It's not.
You're right, because that was actually for the record, while Rollins is 20 games away and has zero shot in hell of actually breaking the record regardless. Otherwise, it is kind of ghey a la Favruh/ :=)
How great would it be to have the most mediocre player on the most mediocre team ever break dimaggio's record, only to go on and finish his .270-career-batting-average baseball career in obscurity? Roger Maris part 2.
Of course it will never happen, because he isn't good enough to hit for 57 straight games, but would be funny none the less.
Of course it will never happen, because he isn't good enough to hit for 57 straight games
lol
Here's the thing: Even if you assume that Rollins is a career .300 hitter and that he has an average of 5 AB's a game, there is still a 16.8% chance that he will get zero hits in any given game.
So, the chance of him even hitting safely in the 37 games in a row he already has were 0.1724% (a 1 in 580 shot).
The chance of him hitting safely in the next 20 games safely are actually about 3.208% (a 1 in 31 shot), so I suppose anything can happen. But lets just say there's a better chance of either the Flyers winning the Cup or the Eagles winning the Super Bowl in 2006/2007... so don't hold your damn breath.
Just so you know... if his streak gets to 53 games (ergo, he has 4 games left to break the record), his odds of doing so would be almost exactly 50/50. Which, in Philly terms, means that he is extremely likely to get to 53 games and choke on it after no more than 2 more games.
thome, rolen, & wags all had nice games...how'd the sils lose that one?
Thome and Wags wouldn't have helped the "sils" cause in that one. Rolen would have.
Gordon lost that game for the Phils.
Rollins will get 55 games and then on his last ab of game 56, the CF will rob him of hit, after the LF dives for a ball and knocks it into the air.
that is because we are Philadelphia sports fans, in reality we are all dead, and this is hell.
With his hit yesterday, Jimmy Rollins is hitting .376 (62 for 165) during "the streak".
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 04, 2006, 02:23:51 PM
With his hit yesterday, Jimmy Rollins is hitting .376 (62 for 165) during "the streak".
If you assume that he will continue to hit at a .376 clip, his odds of hitting safely in the next 20 straight games actually skyrocket up to 13.7% (assuming 5 AB per game). Now, if he hits the 50 game mark, his odds of breaking the record would be 50/50... 3 whole games earlier.
Of course, if you assume Rollins is a .376, you must also assume that you are legally retarded and blind.
there's a 100% chance that you're a big fat nerd.
Wrong, because I am neither big nor fat.
Millhouse isn't a nerd. Nerds are smart.
The Simpsons.
shut up.
everybody stop, you're making me sad
Quote from: rjs246 on April 04, 2006, 04:06:58 PM
shut up.
Is that a trick question? So many options (http://www.imdb.com/SearchQuotes?%22shut%20up%22)...
Okay you just brought me back to my favorite line in the history of cinema thanks to the 101 Dalmations link.
Jeff Daniels to Joely Richardson, on the night they met:
QuoteDo you want a cup of marriage, uh, tea?
That doesn't make any sense. No dude proposes that farging fast. Night one? What? That doesn't even make any sense. Disney blows.
Joely Richardson is hot. I would gladly cram all 21 digits into her various openings.
(http://niptuck.free.fr/album-joely_fichiers/joely_richardson_1.jpg)
Go Phils.
THRILLHO
This board has a member named Thrillhouse, which cracks me up.
The Phillies should have gotten Zito! He's the bestest!
that's actually a true statement
he was definitely not the bestest last night.
no, he wasn't
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WTF? :-D
Shut up jerks... JR has no chance.
And while you're reading this, bow down to the Excellence that is called The Cardinals.
I had never seen Joely before. She is hot. I went googling for more pix of her and ended up here: www.jimmya1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/SexyBrits.html
Some nice photos.
Lucy Pinder. Wowee.
Abi Titmuss?? (http://www.jimmya1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Gallery/SexyBrits/Abi%20Titmuss.jpg)
Greatest (not to mention apropos) name ever.
:yay
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 04, 2006, 10:56:25 PM
Lucy Pinder. Wowee.
A friend of mine works for the Daily Star "newspaper", who discovered the glorious Ms. Pinder. Unlike most tabloid "glamour" girls, Lucy will not GET THEM OUT. For this, I am sad.
Paul Hagen article (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14266597.htm)
QuoteAnatomy of a drought
Why have Phillies gone so long between playoff appearances?
By PAUL HAGEN
First in a series
EARLY ON THE morning of Oct. 1, 2000, in his room at the Marriott Marina in Fort Lauderdale, Terry Francona got the call he had been expecting. Club president Dave Montgomery and general manager Ed Wade wanted to see him before the Phillies played their final game of the season against the Marlins at Pro Player Stadium. It didn't take long to get to the point. After 4 years as manager, Francona was fired.
Since both executives liked the skipper personally, idle chit-chat filled the awkward moments that followed. Somehow the conversation turned to what had gone wrong. As Francona recalls the scene, he casually mentioned that some things would have to change if the Phillies hoped to win. Montgomery was curious. Would he be willing to share those thoughts? It was agreed that the club president would visit the now ex-manager at his Bucks County home.
The meeting never happened. Montgomery said he isn't sure why. Francona said he thinks that he simply forgot. At any rate, an opportunity was missed to explore a fascinating question:
Why haven't the Phillies won?
The basic facts aren't in dispute.
• Since 1983, the Phillies have been to the playoffs once. Of the 26 teams that were in existence at that time, 23 have been in postseason play at least twice. Only the Brewers and Expos/Nationals have been shut out in that span.
• In those 22 years they have finished above .500 just six times and won as many as 90 games just once.
• Since they made their last postseason appearance in 1993, 22 of the current 30 big-league clubs have made it to the playoffs at least once. The only other teams to be blanked are the Brewers, Pirates, Expos/Nationals, Devil Rays, Royals, Tigers and Blue Jays. That's not exactly the kind of company they want to keep.
• The Marlins, an expansion team in 1993, already have won a pair of world championships, twice as many as the Phillies in their 123 years of existence.
• The Arizona Diamondbacks, who didn't play their first game until 1998, have been to the playoffs three times and won the World Series once.
But why? Some of the explanations for how a big-market team has had such remarkably little success over such an extended period of time are pretty straightforward.
• A once-proud farm system was allowed to lapse into disrepair in the 1980s, including the disastrous decision to abandon Latin American scouting.
• The progress Mike Arbuckle made in rebuilding the system after his arrival in October 1992 was ultimately undermined by a series of go-for-broke moves that cost the team prospects and compensatory draft picks in an ultimately futile attempt to capture a playoff berth.
• The Phillies were well behind the curve during the stadium boom that began when Oriole Park at Camden Yards opened in 1992, changing the economic face of baseball.
• The team's financial situation was worsened by the extended lockout of 1994-95. According to chairman Bill Giles, then the club president, that cost the franchise $30 million.
All are valid points. Still, that doesn't seem to completely address the issue. After all, some teams that didn't have well-regarded farm systems made multiple postseason appearances in that era. Every team was impacted by the ruinous work stoppage. Some teams with lower payrolls won pennants and even world championships during that time.
The Minnesota Twins, playing in the dilapidated Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome, have won the World Series twice since 1987. The Marlins also have won twice despite playing in a renovated football stadium. Since 1983, the Athletics and Cardinals have played host to eight postseasons each in round, multipurpose facilities that resemble Veterans Stadium. The Braves began their streak of 14 straight division titles at another cookie-cutter park, Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium.
So, again: Why haven't the Phillies won?
To find the answers, the Daily News interviewed more than two dozen people who have a knowledge of the organization's inner workings. Several themes emerged from the conversations with insiders who agreed to share their opinions, most only on the condition of anonymity. They painted a picture of a sometimes out-of-touch front office in which:
• Winning baseball games isn't always the first priority. Said one respected baseball man: "The place is too intense on too many things that don't help the baseball side."
• Decisions are sometimes made for the wrong reasons, such as how popular a player is with the fans.
• Dissent is discouraged and the corporate culture is marked by suspicion, secrecy and an unrealistically sunny view of the short-term outlook. "It's too secretive. Everything is like the CIA there," one former executive said. "If you don't trust us, fire us. Like trades. The players know. The agents know. It's paranoia. They need to get more out in the open, be a little more honest with people."
• There has been virtually no turnover among non-baseball executives. "They depend too much on their Phillies good-old-boy network," said the executive. "And I'm not talking just about the people in uniform, or who were in uniform. It's a stagnant organization. It's almost like somebody's got to die before they leave... It's the same bleepin' faces every year, from the parking-lot attendants on up."
What follows is an attempt at taking an even-handed look at the factors that have contributed to all those empty Octobers.
Bill Giles points to the only sustained period of success in franchise history - five division titles, two pennants and the only world championship the team has ever won, from 1976 through 1983 - as the beginning of the downturn because it meant they were drafting toward the bottom in most of the years that followed.
That situation was exacerbated after Paul Owens and his top lieutenant, Dallas Green, took on new roles. Green, after managing the Phillies to their only world championship in 1980, left 2 years later to become general manager of the Cubs.
Giles also concedes that he should have acted more quickly in making changes when it became glaringly obvious that the developmental system was faltering. "We weren't running our farm system very well," he said. "When Paul Owens started to manage [in 1983], we didn't do very well acquiring young players.
"[Former general manager Woody Woodward] wanted to fire [farm director] Jim Baumer and [scouting director] Jack Pastore [in 1988]. And looking back, he was probably right."
Giles fired Woodward instead.
At the same time, the team was overrating prospects such as Juan Samuel and Jeff Stone, who they thought would become the headliners of the next generation after the Wheeze Kids in 1983.
"I think in '83 we were clearly a veteran club," Dave Montgomery said. "We thought we had some emerging young players. And we did, Sammy being the most notable of them. We had traded for Von Hayes. I think there was a recognition that we couldn't live with that same group and we had to get younger. And we didn't do that, frankly, with the success we thought that nucleus would bring."
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QuoteBy that time, the trend to retro ballparks was clear. When Ed Rendell was the mayor of Philadelphia, he publicly supported the notion that the Phillies should have a fancy new playpen to help them remain competitive.
The project, however, bogged down in political infighting. The park didn't become a reality until John Street took office.
By the time Citizens Bank Park came on line in 2004, a dozen new revenue-boosting ballparks had sprouted across the country. In the process, the Phillies went from one of the top-grossing teams in the majors to one of the lowest.
And the delay was costly. "After 1993, the good players got hurt. And then we didn't have the finances," Giles said. "We didn't have the money to participate. The [work stoppage] of 1994, that cost us a lot of money. Thirty million dollars. And we didn't have the wherewithal to compete for free agents.
"That's when I started working on getting a new ballpark, because I saw when the Baltimore Orioles built Camden Yards, their revenue increased by $60 million."
Nobody will deny the correlation between payroll and winning in recent years. It's also true that the Phillies ranked 17th in payroll in 2002, 15th in 2003 and fifth each of the last 2 years, according to the USA Today Baseball Salaries Database.
Yet, in those years, 15 of 32 teams to make it to the playoffs (46.9 percent) had lower payrolls than the Phillies.
It wasn't until after the 1996 season that the Phillies decided to admit that the patch-and-fill approach wouldn't work. They openly embarked on a rebuilding program and asked their fans for patience. Ten years later, the customers are still waiting to see results.
In the interim, some teams have managed to turn themselves around in a much shorter time frame. The Marlins won the World Series in 1997, staged a drastic fire sale that resulted in a 108-loss season and then won the World Series again in 2003.
The Indians signaled their own rebuilding after losing local icon Jim Thome to the Phillies as a free agent before the 2003 season. In 2 years the payroll dropped from $92.7 million in 2001 to $48.6 million, as the Tribe went from winning the division to losing 94 games.
Last year, though, Cleveland won 93 games - five more than the Phillies - despite a modest $41.5 million payroll... less than half what the Phils spent on player's salaries.
Maybe it's not surprising, then, that patience is running thin in Philadelphia.
The ownership group formed by Bill Giles bought the Phillies from the Carpenter family before the 1982 season. The Wheeze Kids pennant of 1983, therefore, could properly be credited to the previous administration.
Since then, the Phillies have had hundreds of players, dozens of coaches, nine managers and five general managers.
The only constants have been the ownership, remarkably unchanged since the beginning, and the absence from the postseason. They have had only six seasons above .500 and only one with more than 88 wins to go along with the lone division title in 1993. Many observers have made a connection between the two.
Noted the executive who has since moved on: "I'm not saying they should fire the good people. But there are too many people there who have been there too long."
One front-office person recently admitted: "We don't fire well."
The lack of turnover might make The Phillies Inc. a comfortable place to work. But many believe this clubby atmosphere ultimately creates a climate where it's difficult to assign responsibility when things go wrong.
"Nobody wants any accountability. Everybody wants to pass the buck," one longtime staffer said, a sentiment echoed by others.
At the same time, those in the know say, there is an almost obsessive concern about secrecy. Time and energy is wasted trying to ferret out sources to stories that have appeared or are rumored to be in the works. This can breed tension and distrust. The atmosphere has been described variously as "tiptoeing through a minefield" and "walking on eggshells."
A few years ago, a high-ranking Phillies person was asked a question before a game. "No comment," he replied. In the third inning, the reporter's cell phone rang. "You're not going to quote me on that, are you?" he asked anxiously.
One baseball man said: "They're too worried about what the press is going to say, what the radio station is going to say, instead of what's best for the team. It's all about perception. They don't seem to understand that the one thing that draws people and creates interest is winning."
Said another: "My sense ever since I came here is that everybody is so concerned about the reaction to moves that it's difficult to step back and do things that will help in the long term. You can't worry about what the fans will say or what the media will say. You have to make good decisions. If you have good baseball people making the decisions, things will work out."
Others question the organization chart itself, a hands-off ownership group that allows the club president wide latitude. The theory is that the president spreads himself too thin tending to the owners while simultaneously overseeing all facets of the organization, not just baseball.
Dave Montgomery rejects that out of hand. "I don't spend much time dealing with ownership," he said. "It's fortunate they've given us that type of confidence or trust... They're just very supportive. They've put in substantial dollars the last few years and they're on the hook, obviously, for a good bit of the ballpark. There's very little time spent [dealing with ownership]."
Still, the model for many teams that have been consistently successful is to have one person at the top of the pyramid - whether it's principal owner George Steinbrenner with the Yankees or general manager John Schuerholz with the Braves - who is focused solely on winning baseball games.
On the dark November day last fall that he was introduced at Shea Stadium as the Mets' new closer, Billy Wagner listed the reasons he decided not to stay with the Phillies. "In the end, I think they were more interested in being competitive than winning," he said.
Curt Schilling and Scott Rolen had previously voiced similar sentiments.
Comments of that sort exasperate Montgomery. In the middle of a lengthy answer about the farm system, he sighed. "I don't want to use the word patience, because it implies we don't want to win now. And we're very anxious to win now," he insisted.
QuoteJohn Felske was standing behind the batting cage at Wrigley Field in June 1987. Greg Gross was taking some swings. The Phillies' manager made the offhanded comment that he'd really like to start Gross and play him every day.
Well, a listener asked, why don't you just put Gross in the lineup? Didn't the manager have the final say in such matters?
Felske's eyes narrowed and he pulled the guy back from the cage. "You don't know how things work around here," he said. "Baseball people don't make those decisions. Last winter we could have made a trade that would have really helped our team. But the marketing department shot it down. They had spent a lot of time promoting the player we were going to trade, so the deal didn't get made."
Felske was fired the next day. But it appears that little has changed in the relationship between baseball people and the front office in the 20 years since; every manager that has passed through since has, from time to time, become frustrated when nonbaseball concerns crossed the white lines.
Example: It's been common practice to "suggest" that the manager play as much of his regular lineup as possible in spring-training games that are being televised back to Philadelphia.
"I was told that a lot," Francona, now manager of the Red Sox, said. "I used to be told a lot they didn't like my Sunday lineups [during the regular season]. Our Sunday record was much better than our [overall] percentage. Because we tried to plan ahead and we had guys who had energy and we tried to match up. And I used to try to tell people that. But it didn't seem to make a lot of difference.
"Or Curt Schilling. They'd want us to bump him back a day and pitch him at home. That was hard."
Example: On one occasion a year ago, Randy Wolf was scheduled to pitch in a split-squad exhibition game on the road. Instead, he ended up pitching in Clearwater. Everybody in the clubhouse believed the change was made because the partners were in town for their quarterly meeting.
Example: Rookie of the Year Ryan Howard was pulled out of camp the last week of spring training this year to fly back to Philadelphia for a photo op with Mayor Street.
Said one prominent ex-Phillie: "This game is hard. The season is a haul no matter where you play. It's a grind. But in Philadelphia, there are so many extra obstacles that you don't have as much energy when it comes time to play the game. Sometimes it makes it hard just to go out on the field.
"Every part of that organization has a job to do. I get that. But what about just winning and letting the rest of it fall into place?"
Both Montgomery and Giles are unapologetic about the emphasis they've placed on the marketing of the team.
"At the end of the day, we have to pay bills," Montgomery said. "Do players like Photo Day? No. Should you do Photo Day? Absolutely, I believe.
"I vividly remember investing hour upon hour in spring training trying to convince Scott Rolen to come to the Opening Day luncheon. And he said he wouldn't do it because we have sponsors there. I said, 'Scott, come on. Where does the money in the game come from?' Others say they won't do anything for TV. Come on. The fact is that their paychecks has an extra zero or two because of sponsors and TV."
Giles laughed when asked if he thought the marketing department had an undue influence. "It's never the marketing department. It's me," he said. "Everybody knows I was a marketing guy all my life. I do believe a lot in getting exciting players. Eddie Murray, John Olerud, Todd Zeile. They were pretty good players but, to me, they were boring players.
"I definitely have a bias toward fun-type players. And it may have hurt somewhere along the line."
QuoteHow much influence the general manager should have over the manager is an ongoing debate in baseball. In Oakland, GM Billy Beane openly treats the manager like a subordinate, instructing him on the strategies to employ and the lineup he should use. Montgomery noted that, at times, it's difficult for the manager and coaches to retain their objectivity.
"No staff, if they watch a guy 5 days in a row and he's struggling or he's ticking them off, doesn't say, 'Let's get rid of this guy.' And that's where the GM has to say, 'Wait a second. Are we really improving ourselves by doing that?' " he said.
Countered Francona: "It's funny. I don't think I'd make a very good scout. But when I'm around these guys every day, I know what they can do. And sometimes you're the last to [be able to give your] evaluation."
The Phillies under Ruly Carpenter gave the baseball people a lot of breathing room. "We were allowed to argue and scream and yell about what we wanted to do," Dallas Green said. "And then we'd go out and make sure the baseball players did it. And, thankfully, Ruly would go along with us."
Baseball doesn't work that way anymore. The game has become much more corporate and the Phillies are no exception.
"There are only two or three places in all of baseball where the front office doesn't interfere. Minnesota. Atlanta. St. Louis," one longtime baseball man calculated recently.
Now, these are all franchises that have a pretty good track record. And it would appear that it was the autonomy given the baseball people that led to the success rather than vice versa.
Montgomery unfailingly describes himself as a club president who takes no active role in baseball decisions. Many people around the team, both past and present, contradict that. They say he is a micromanager who is deeply involved in every aspect of the organization.
"Let the baseball people do their jobs," one highly regarded baseball man suggested when asked how the Phillies could improve. "If you do that, everything else falls into place. That's just common sense. Look at Atlanta. Look at Toronto when Pat Gillick was there. That's the way clubs that have been successful do it.
"Of course, make sure you have the right people. And you have to hold them accountable. But it's only fair to do that if you let them sink or swim with their own decisions."
Montgomery was asked about a few of dozens of occasions when he is said to have influenced baseball decisions.
Perception: Ed Wade wanted to fire manager Larry Bowa midway through the 2004 season and wasn't allowed to.
Montgomery: "That's a sensitive one for me. There is some truth to that. But that was only the circumstances.
"There was a point in time when doing that would have been done in a very awkward and public manner that I didn't think was the right way regarding Larry and a couple important people in this organization. And I said, 'Can't we find a better time?' I said, 'If you want to do it, do it.'
"So was it stopped for 72 hours because of my feelings? Yes. And did people rethink it as a result of that? Yes. There's truth to it. But this is a man who was a spectacular player for us, an outstanding third-base coach in my opinion and a good manager. And there was some frustration that created a desire to do it at what I thought was an awkward and inappropriate time. Then as it turned out, the team played better after that and people decided to wait. I didn't decide to wait.
"Guilty as charged."
Perception: When the Phillies first had a chance to trade second baseman Mickey Morandini for Doug Glanville from the Cubs in December 1997 the deal almost didn't go through because Montgomery was too fond of Morandini.
"We had to talk [Montgomery] into it," Francona said. "He didn't want to do it because of Mickey's popularity. I said, 'We've got to do this.' And Eddie [Wade] went in and had to fight. And that turned out to be a great trade. I didn't understand why we had to fight to get that done."
Montgomery: "That probably would have been true. I remember talking to [Cubs president] Andy McPhail and him saying we had just gotten one of his favorite players. And I said, 'Ditto for me.'
"Look. We're all human. Does somebody's personality and the way they carry themselves become a factor in your desire to retain somebody? Sure. You're definitely going to want to do that. But I certainly didn't try to stop it, because we did it."
One Phillies insider who was close to the situation at the time said, however, that this illustrates the problem with Montgomery's deliberate style. While Bill Giles was often criticized for being too impulsive, Montgomery is rapped for sometimes appearing indecisive.
"[Montgomery] always wants to wait, wait, wait. He wants to think it over," he said. "Sometimes patience is a good thing. But not all the time. Sometimes there are windows of opportunity and you have to be willing to make a move while the window is still open."
Perception: Catcher Mike Lieberthal was given his most recent extension (in August 2002) because Montgomery liked the fact that he's made a lot of personal appearances on behalf of the team.
Montgomery: "The baseball people gave it to him. That was all driven by Jason Kendall. Jason Kendall was supposed to sign a $9 million deal with the Pirates. And the recommendation was that if we wanted to go ahead with Lieby, we should strike now. Do I like Mike Lieberthal as a person? Yeah. But that's really revisionist history. I don't vote in that stuff.
"I think now a lot of people are saying Lieby's skills have diminished, but it's difficult to roll back. Why did we give him the option? Because he wasn't going to sign without it. And the thought process at the time was that we wanted to lock him up as long as he was healthy.
"I've said this many times. I have the ultimate authority. Hopefully I've absorbed some baseball and I love it. But I sit in a car with Pat Gillick and [scout] Don Welke and I'm learning every minute. So if Pat comes to me and says, 'This for that'... I might say, 'Jeez, are you sure you want to do that? Why?' But at the end of the day, if they want to do it, they do it."
It is part of the enduring lore of the organization that Bill Giles used to sit in the press lounge after games in the early 1980s, composing on cocktail napkins fanciful lineups of Phillies prospects that he believed would be the foundation for future championships.
Fast-forward to the organizational meetings in October 2004. At one session, the names of all available bench players were listed. Tomas Perez was ranked far down the list.
"I guess we don't value him as highly as we thought we did," Ed Wade observed.
Yet, a few days later, Perez signed a 2-year contract with an option for a third season.
"I remember that little centerfielder we got from the Mets [Ricky Otero]," one ex-baseball man recalled. "We were in a meeting and [former manager Jim Fregosi] said he might be a fourth or fifth outfielder. Bill Giles and Dave Montgomery said, 'What are you looking at? He's going to be our next Lenny Dykstra.' " :-D
Every team tends to overvalue its own players, but the Phillies seem to have made an art of it. And that, in the end, was the primary message Francona would have delivered if he and Montgomery had ever gotten together after the disastrous 2000 season.
"I wanted to tell him that our pitching wasn't good enough. That we were going out there and we weren't even close," he said.
"Everybody is the next somebody. When you're evaluating your guys in player development, there are so many times they say, 'He's the next... ' Do you know how good you have to be just to be an everyday player in the major leagues? It's hard. On a good team, it's hard. They don't come along very often. So when you see a guy coming and you think he's here, nine times out of 10 he's not."
Yeah, Eddie Murray sure was boring the day he was inducted into the Hall of Fame, wasn't he?
thanks for the article telling us how pathetic our baseball team operates. like we didnt know that one.
Holy shtein....that was a great read. It made me want to punch people a few times, but it was interesting. And if that was only part 1, I can't wait to read the rest.
Ricky Otero the next Nails?
John Olerud, Eddie Murray too boring?
Tomas Perez threw pies but stunk on the field and he gets a new deal.
Just like I said when then whole Ed Wade stuff was going down...its the upper management that needs a makeover too. Not just the GM.
At least we have Pat Gillick now and he has the balls to do stuff and fight for what he wants.
Guess I can start now:
Go Cards!
Bell
Lieberthal
Pitcher
7-8-9 done right is back.
Rollins with a lead off double to extend the streak to 38 games.
38 games baby.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. i think we all know what i'm laughing at.
the sabermatricians over on philliesphans were getting their panties all tied up in a knot over the bunt
and im sure the abreu haters will be all over him for that play, but it wasnt due to a lack of effort. a better rf mighta caught it, but bobby wasnt coasting.
Future HOFer Jimmy Rollins 2-for-2 with 2 doubles. Current hit streak 38. ;D
This just in: Pujols is good. Really good.
Meyers is pitching like a big fat poopy head.
David Bell ties the game with a 2-run homer.
MVP! MVP!
Geo -- I think it was discussed a couple days ago...
Quote from: Hollywood on April 03, 2006, 04:48:01 PM
You know, that Pujols kid might have a future in this league. He might turn into a pretty good player one day.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on April 05, 2006, 09:06:06 PM
Geo -- I think it was discussed a couple days ago...
Quote from: Hollywood on April 03, 2006, 04:48:01 PM
You know, that Pujols kid might have a future in this league. He might turn into a pretty good player one day.
Barring injury, he's going to be one of the greats. Great character as well- perfect to lead baseball out of the shadows of steroids.
Well at least Franklin appears to have the best pickoff move since Terry Mulholland. :paranoid
Quote from: NGM on April 05, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
Well at least Franklin appears to have the best pickoff move since Terry Mulholland. :paranoid
He gets a lot of practice.
Leiberthal! :boom :boom
WOWW
holy shtein monkey he didn't drop it !!
Lieberthal tried to lose the game for the Phils there. Rollins saved his ass.
Hahaaaaaaaaaahahahaha.
Should've kept Wags.
Should have kept Wagner, huh?
You mean like the Eagles should have kept Burgess?
Yeah, because Burgess was one of the best DE's in football stat-wise year after year before he left just like Wags has been one of the top closers in baseball. Your analogy is as super-awesome as your pun-making ability.
Ryan Howard will see a lot of intentional walks with David Bell hitting behind him.
What are the chances of Bell doing it again? :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 05, 2006, 09:55:40 PM
What are the chances of Bell doing it again? :-D
If by "it" you really mean "blowing it" then I'd say the odds are quite good.
Bases loaded, 2 out, Loserthal up to bat. :-\
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2006, 09:59:18 PM
Bases loaded, 2 out, Loserthal up to bat. :-\
Final Score? 4-3 Cards.
it's cool, he has a second chance to lose it again for em. he'll probably succeed this time.
Grounded to first. :-D
Lieberthal does what he does best. Weak grounder to first.
I gotta give Dave Bell credit for the quality at-bat (not kidding) before that.
and the snorkeling phils are back in action. i think this is a more realistic look of what were in for this year. not as bad as opening day, but def not division contenders, never mind world series contenders, or any of that garbage. i think this will be about as close to 1st place in the NL east they'll sniff this year.
Say what you will about Bell but at least he's still a professional baseball player.
Loserthal is no better than a beer league softball catcher at this point.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 05, 2006, 10:02:14 PM
i think this will be about as close to 1st place in the NL east they'll sniff this year.
Technically, opening day would be the closest they come to 1st place.
Just sayin'
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:03:08 PM
Say what you will about Bell but at least he's still a professional baseball player.
Loserthal is no better than a beer league softball catcher at this point.
If he were a horse, he'd be taken to the glue factory.
the only quality at bat in that situation is a rbi
is there a bigger waste of talent in baseball than brett myers..what a bum...did anyone see when he had five walks and had the gall to makes faces at the ump after a pitch was called a ball...he is weaker than seven days...
Wagner blew the save in New York tonight :)
^^^^^
mets thread please
no need to panic....it's only april...there's still 160 games left
::)
1600 games wouldnt be enough for myers to grow up
Quote from: Wingspan on April 05, 2006, 10:08:31 PM
no need to panic....it's only april...there's still 160 games left
::)
Sure, it's a long season but the Phils got off to a crappy start last year and missed the playoffs by 1 game. Games in April count just as much as September.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2006, 10:04:37 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 05, 2006, 10:02:14 PM
i think this will be about as close to 1st place in the NL east they'll sniff this year.
Technically, opening day would be the closest they come to 1st place.
Just sayin'
oh cuz 1+1= 2 losses. but, if the nationals win, which now they might thanks to wonderful wagner, and the braves and marlins lose, they would still only be 1 back.
Just sayin'
nothing like 2 games to really rid me of those opening day optimisims.
same ol' Sillies.
Here's a stat for you doodes to chew on...
The Phillies are a staggering 0-13 with runners in scoring position after two games.
Zero for thirteen.
World Series, here we come!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2006, 10:27:56 PM
Here's a stat for you doodes to chew on...
The Phillies are a staggering 0-13 with runners in scoring position after two games.
Zero for thirteen.
World Series, here we come!
like i said, same ol' Sillies
suicide watch game counter: 1
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 05, 2006, 10:05:46 PM
Wagner blew the save in New York tonight :)
Yeah I saw that too, But Gordon blew it for us, the Bastich
but since wagner at one time played for the phils, they are automatically at fault in some way.
Yes, we get a 1/2 loss added to us evertime Wags blows one for the mets
Yeah, Brett Myers is a bum who had the gall (HOW DARE HIM) to question the umpire who couldn't find his dick tonight. Unless it was down the pipe it was a ball.
5 innings and im already sick of brett myers
The Phils are on pace for 0-162. ahhh
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2006, 11:33:14 PM
Yeah, Brett Myers is a bum who had the gall (HOW DARE HIM) to question the umpire who couldn't find his dick tonight. Unless it was down the pipe it was a ball.
That's weird, because Mark Mulder didn't walk anyone. Strange.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 05, 2006, 11:43:00 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2006, 11:33:14 PM
Yeah, Brett Myers is a bum who had the gall (HOW DARE HIM) to question the umpire who couldn't find his dick tonight. Unless it was down the pipe it was a ball.
That's weird, because Mark Mulder didn't walk anyone. Strange.
No, but he wasn't getting calls. And the Phils helped him out big time by not working him. In the 7th when Bell hit the HR Burrell and Utley both swung at the 1st pitches. Two pitches = two outs.
And Isringhausen walked people in the 9th too.
I love Myers' arm and his intensity, but he lets himself be distracted when things don't go his way. IGY is right in that maturity is an issue with Myers, but I am more optimistic that he can turn it around- even this season. Today wasn't his best, and he still left with the Phils having a chance to win.
I agree with Phreak about the umpire squeezing the strikezone (especially the outside calls). I noticed it mostly with Gordon in the 9th. The ump wasn't unfair (the calls went both ways), but his zone was a little tight.
Lame-armed Mike Lieberthal needs to be taken to the vet and put down. My son can throw better than that.
Future HOFer Jimmy Rollins was gold on both offense and defense this game.
Mike Lieberthal was to brutal today as a catcher. There were a couple pitches that were borderline that the ump called balls because Lieberthal caught them in such an awkward way that the ump thought they were worse than they actually were. No Phillies pitcher is ever going to get a close pitch if it's thrown somewhere other than where Lieby sets up. That's because he doesn't have the farging ability to make an adjustment without appearing to look like he's trying to catch a wild pitch.
His arm is also farging brutal. I hate this mother farger more than anybody on the Phillies.
Start Fasano!
5 innings and im already sick of brett myers
myers just doesnt get it and i dont think he ever will
Loserthal just hit a RBI, 2-out double
Chase Utely, RBI 2-out double
2-0 phils
I have to say, through 4 innings, Lidle is looking solid.
Lieberthal is making my head spin with his zesty defensive plays and his patented inning ending double play ball. ::)
he did have an 2 out rbi double in the 2nd :paranoid
nevermind what I said about Lidle.
He opens the 5th with a hit batter, then gives a double up to the PITCHER
2-1 Phils. ::)
Jesus Christ.
Error on Bell...1st and 3rd...1 out....Pujols up.
Bell farging sucks too.
I can't believe these two farging clowns are still on this team.
I hear people are going to the broom closets in Missouri.
Base hit Pujols and game is tied.
I spoke way too soon.
Meltdown for Lidle.
3-2 cards
thats what #5 starters do...pitch 3-4 good innings then implode...lidle is no different cept hes the phils #3
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2006, 04:34:19 PM
thats what #5 starters do...pitch 3-4 good innings then implode...lidle is no different cept hes the phils #3
Didn't the Phillies get him to be an innings eater?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 06, 2006, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2006, 04:34:19 PM
thats what #5 starters do...pitch 3-4 good innings then implode...lidle is no different cept hes the phils #3
Didn't the Phillies get him to be an innings eater?
I thought that was the reasoning behind Ryan Franklin.
hell give them innings in that he doesnt get hurt and is always ready to start...but those starts are going to be filled with hits runs and home runs
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2006, 04:39:00 PM
hell give them innings in that he doesnt get hurt and is always ready to start...but those starts are going to be filled with hits runs and home runs
When they acquired him, he was an innings eater for his previous teams.....at least that's what I remember hearing about him.
id be surprised if hes ever had a 200 inning season and his career era has gotta be up around five or over
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2006, 04:41:57 PM
id be surprised if hes ever had a 200 inning season and his career era has gotta be up around five or over
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3645
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2006, 04:41:57 PM
id be surprised if hes ever had a 200 inning season and his career era has gotta be up around five or over
1 200+ inning season (out of 8 )
career era 4.52
as i said hes gonna show up for all his starts and hes gonna give up lots of hits runs and home runs
i just turned it on. cormier cant field an easy dp ball. bell error. game about to be over.
good start, losers :-D
phreak predictions:
dhani jones 2005 eagles breakout player of the year>phillies win 2006 world series
Howard going deep right here to take the lead ;)
farger
Don't worry. I'm sure DaBell will will bail them out with a 3-run bomb.
I'm sure they'll be better next year after Gillick is able to have another year to recover from the Wade years.
Right?
just be smart and give up. theyll never win under this ownership group. im too stupid to do it.
the streak may be dead
2 guys need to go on. since bell and loserthal and the ph will get out, its up the the big boys.
Put it this way... the odds of him keeping the streak alive are still better than the odds of him breaking DiMaggio's record were before today's game. So, he's got THAT going for him, which is nice.
Great production from our 3-4-5 hitters in the 8th. Break out the dustpans.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2006, 04:41:57 PM
id be surprised if hes ever had a 200 inning season and his career era has gotta be up around five or over
Is that about Lidle?
1. Correct on never having 200+ innings. He's had four over 180 (188 in 2001, 192 in 2002, 192.2 in 2003 and 184.2 in 2005).
2. Incorrect on career ERA. Lifetime ERA is 4.52. Not great, but not over 5.00.
Cory Lidle Career Stats (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5806/career;_ylt=AphlmBR3ls.ZnHp_COw7apOFCLcF)
Point is he blows.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 06, 2006, 05:57:26 PM
Point is he blows.
He is what he is. An end of the rotation starter.
Unfortunately, the Phils' rotation seems to be full of them. Leiber (perhaps a 3 on good rotations), Lidle (4/5), Franklin (5). Or unproven young pitchers (Floyd and Madsen, for now). Myers is a 2/3 as is (I'm still more hopeful than IGY).
FEARLESS HOMERTASTIC PREDICTION: Madsen will be the #3 (possibly #2) by season's end.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 06, 2006, 06:01:19 PM
FEARLESS HOMERTASTIC PREDICTION: Madsen will be the #3 (possibly #2) by season's end.
It's amazing what will be considered a fearless homertastic prediction now. Just a few days ago, many of you were calling for the Phillies to make the World Series, which was completely laughable.
It's up to Lieberthal to keep Jimmy's streak alive.
Im amazed that these scrubs cant get a F-in single to give J-RO a smidgin of a chance...unreal
what a series!
uuuuuuuuuuuuugh
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 03, 2006, 05:44:47 PM
Rollins with a double to extend the streak. My prediction is it won't last the week.
Am I a genius or what?
Post game analysis:
- Bell sucks
- Lieberthal sucks
- Lidle sucks
No silver lining to that farging travashamockery.
Call Lou Pinella
Quote from: reese125 on April 06, 2006, 06:13:57 PM
Im amazed that these scrubs cant get a F-in single to give J-RO a smidgin of a chance...unreal
he had 4 at bats.
yeah I know, he had the chances. Just frustrated that when it comes down to clutch time, we cant get quality hits to get anybody on base to score--and at least get him another at bat....welcome to the Phillies...I know.
the hitting will work itself out.
unfortunately, the pitching blows from top to bottom.
Well now that the streak is over, is there any other reason to keep following this team?
in more genius moves from Uncie Cholly, taking out Rowand (best CF) in a double switch, putting Abreu (no range in RF, let alone CF) in CF and putting Dellucci (a LF) in RF
So? It was either take out Rowand (2nd) or Burrell (5th) so Dellucci could stay in the 9 hole and bat in the 9th inning. You leave Dellucci in so if the 9 hole gets uphis LH bat is in there to face Isringhausen.
What a zesty season opening series.
That's OK though. We've got the Dodgers limping into town. They have mad injuries.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 06, 2006, 08:08:20 PM
in more genius moves from Uncie Cholly, taking out Rowand (best CF) in a double switch, putting Abreu (no range in RF, let alone CF) in CF and putting Dellucci (a LF) in RF
that was in the bottom of the 8th, and they needed offense. rowand made the last out in the 7th.
you can't take out burrell there (batting 3rd in the inning). the 3rd spot never came up to bat again. you already PH your best utility infielder so bell was not an option
it wasnt the wrong move.
anytime you take your best CF out and replace him with a defensive liability, it's the wrong move.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2006, 08:12:49 PM
That's OK though. We've got the Dodgers limping into town. They have mad injuries.
I agree. The Phils are definitely due to win one game of this upcoming series.
It's just funny WHEN this was created (http://www.firepatgillick.com/)
someone should start up cutloserthalandbell.com
somebody needs to cut Charlie's throat in a back allley for the way he sets up the batting order.
whats funny is how all the phillies players and coaches said that getting off to a good start was critical...now they are all saying its just three games into what is a long season
clowns
the only good excuse is the fact that they did play the Cardinals, but to lose an opening home series like that (what, like the first time in 20+ years they got swept) is a disgrace. You at least win one of those games. BUT... if UpChuck Charlie isnt going to put them in a decent position, expecially down the stretch....we will be bitching all year long for his head....disgusting.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2006, 09:01:05 AM
whats funny is how all the phillies players and coaches said that getting off to a good start was critical...now they are all saying its just three games into what is a long season
clowns
but what do you expect them to say? we're farged?
and 3 games does not a slow start make.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 07, 2006, 09:29:10 AM
and 3 games does not a slow start make.
I agree. 1-2 would have been a slow start. 0-3 means they haven't even gotten out of the blocks yet.
but what do you expect them to say? we're farged?
i expect them to say that getting swept at home in your opening series is unacceptable and wont be tolerated...one of the big problems with this team is the laissez faire nothing is ever wrong leadershipless attitude they have...
and 3 games does not a slow start make.
never said it was
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2006, 09:36:37 AM
i expect them to say that getting swept at home in your opening series is unacceptable and wont be tolerated...one of the big problems with this team is the laissez faire nothing is ever wrong leadershipless attitude they have...
well, for you to ever expect Charlie Manuel to speak a complete sentence like that is on par with me expecting to live on the moon.
and the so-called "veteren leadership" on this is team is laid-back. but i think Utely and Roward are going to change that a little bit this year.
and the so-called "veteren leadership" on this is team is laid-back. but i think Utely and Roward are going to change that a little bit this year.
i dont think its laid back it doesnt exist...the rowand leadership thing is overrated...hard to come into a locker room in year one and take over...unless youre a superstar...utley tho i agree needs to step up big...tho as hard as he plays i dont see a fiery attitude with him...reminds me a lot of rollins
the wild card here is howard...yes hes in only his first full year but they traded a superstar to give him a position on the team and after seeing him go off on beckett he has what it takes it would seem...plus hes a big motherfarger who can snap necks
Howard would appear to have big problems with lefties.
...well it starts from the top and it looks like its having a trickle-down effect on all the players again this year. I know its way too early, but to see Manuel start the season off with some of his tactics is simply amazing. LaRussa was laughing in his sleep last night with the way Manuel set his lineup. I swear to god, if he had a bright idea it would be beginners luck.
i agree manuel is a terrible inlfuence on this club from pampering of players to his incompetant managing
its almost kind of the way you feel about your boss growing up and now. Thats the way the players feel about him. As long as he's cool, makes life easy for u and leaves your ass alone, you love him and would never rat him out. BUT, you would think in professional sports--especially the Phillies--WINNING--would be a top priority since your already paid. Some body needs to step up, walk over to Gillicks office and say, "Um, my manager just $htein his pants again..please help."
Part 2 of that article on the Phils (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/14275328.htm)
From today's Daily News:
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QuoteCenterfield?
David Dellucci stayed in the game and played rightfield yesterday after pinch-hitting in the bottom of the seventh inning.
Bobby Abreu moved from rightfield to centerfield in the top of the eighth inning. It was the first time Abreu has been out of rightfield since 2002... or the first time since March, depending on how you see it.
Fresh off winning his first Gold Glove award, Abreu played centerfield for Venezuela in the World Baseball Classic in March, which raised some eyebrows. He was asked whether he would have considered the move to facilitate, say, keeping first baseman Jim Thome in Philadelphia and moving rookie of the year Ryan Howard to the outfield.
"No," Abreu said.
Manuel said that he didn't consider moving Abreu into centerfield until he decided to keep Dellucci in the game, and that any action Abreu gets there this season will be rare.
what a team player.
maybe because he knows he sucks in cf, and that that outfield would be god awful
now you know why they tried to trade him in the off season
The catcher position:
Carrying this over from the Abreu thread... Some people suggested that Sal Fasano and Chris Coste would be better than Mike Lieberthal and Sal Fasano. I disagree. As much as I HATE Lieby, leaving the catchers spot in the hands of a true journeyman and a career minor leaguer would've been bad. Maybe it pays of early on, but as the season goes on and Fasano gets to the 100+ games plateu, he'd likely be exposed for what he really is - a guy who can catch maybe 70 games a year. And as much as I liked Coste in the spring, he recently took up catching to bolster his chances of making the team.
Now would they be better with Carlos Ruiz and Sal Fasano? Maybe.
I know this - I like Fasano because he is great defensively and calls good games. I watched a lot of O's games last year and several of them had fasano behind the plate.
What should've happened is once the word got out that Bengie Molina wasn't getting his long term cash and would sign for 1 year Gillick should've signed him with a quickness. Then cut bait with Lieby even though they are on the hook for his money, just flat out cut his ass.
A duo of Molina and Fasano would've been excellent. Hell, I'd even take Greg Zaun from TOR if he asks to be dealt because of Molina being there (they are sharing time now, I believe).
But the sad fact is that Fasano & Coste wouldn't have gotten it done. We are stuck with Lieby. Unless it becomes so bad that Gillick gets fed up and trades for a catcher - which we cn only hope for.
Dodgers :
Furcal SS .286
Cruz LF .538
Drew RF .385
Kent 2B .556
Loney 1B .167
Mueller 3B .545
Repko CF .417
Navarro C .000
Tomko P .000
Phillies:
Rollins SS .250
Rowand CF .200
Abreu RF .333
Utley 2B .385
Burrell LF .364
Howard 1B .273
Bell 3B .143
Fasano C .000
Floyd P .000
WHY IS BELL IN THE GODDAMN LINEUP?!?!?!?!
Facing a RHP = Nunez should be in there.
Great article on Howard from Jayson Stark (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2399480)
Quote"You ever picked up his bat?" asks his buddy, Rollins. "Wheee-ooooh. Are you kiddin'? Let me go get one."
A few seconds later, Rollins is back, dragging what looks like half a forest.
"Look at this," he says. "This thing's 35 inches, 34½ ounces. But look how small it looks in his hands. We say, 'Is it really that big? Or is it just that big when we pick it up?' This thing is like a tree. But it's like a toy to him."
Yeah, how does he manage to swing that bat? That's just one of the great Ryan Howard debates that seem to erupt in the Phillies' locker room about every 10 minutes.
Then there's this fun little topic: In a spring in which Howard crunched 11 titanic home runs, which of those swats was the most ridiculous/awe-inspiring/gargantuan?
Was it the Apollo shot in Clearwater against the Yankees that cleared the fence, and a 30-foot grass berm, and a walkway behind the berm, and the back wall of the stadium -- and came down in a retention pond between the ballpark and the highway?
"With two strikes," says hitting coach Milt Thompson with a laugh. "Against a lefty [Ron Villone]."
"And he had a 103 fever," Rollins says with a chuckle.
Or was it the meteor at Disney -- the one Howard's teammates claim was still going up when it left the park, just to the right of straightaway center, on its way to Splash Mountain?
"That ball," Thompson says, "was three-quarters of the way up the light post. If he'd hit it to dead center, it would have been over the batter's eye."
"Somebody's car alarm probably went off when that ball came down," Rollins says. "I've never seen a ball hit that far. That was the beauty of it -- 'cause there was no stadium to catch it. It was just, 'How far is it gonna go?' And it was far.'"
"And the wind," says Mike Lieberthal, with a shake of the head, "was blowing in."
Quote"Negative, negative," Howard says, "because all I did all spring was come in, do my work, play baseball, go home and sleep. And that's it. It hasn't been hard to tune it out. I just try to stay focused on what's going on on the field, and not on everything else. To me, that's all [the other stuff] is -- is everything else. So I just leave it that way, because if you're worried about everything else, you're not focused on what matters."
This is a guy who has always focused on what matters. His father is an executive at IBM. His twin brother, Chris, is an associate athletic director at LSU.
"His family is all high achievers," says Phillies assistant GM Mike Arbuckle, who presided over the scouting department that drafted Howard in the fifth round in 2001. "They expect themselves to succeed."
Well, from the look of things, the ballplayer in the family isn't going to disappoint. Just consider Howard's career path since he arrived in Double-A in 2004:
Two years ago, Howard cranked 46 home runs and drove in 131 runs between Double-A and Triple-A, making him only the fifth player since 1957 to pile up that many homers and RBI in a minor-league season.
Last year, at the point the Phillies called him up to stay on July 1, he was leading the International League not in homers, but in batting (.371), on-base percentage (.467), slugging (.690) and OPS (1.157).
From July 2 on, Howard hit .296 with 21 homers and 65 RBI. The only National League players who hit more home runs in that span were Andruw Jones and Derrek Lee. But Howard had a higher slugging percentage (.585) in that period than Paul Konerko, a higher OPS (.950) than Vladimir Guerrero or Gary Sheffield, and more intentional walks (eight) than Manny Ramirez.
No Lieberthal = win tonight.
4-0 LA :-D
jesus christ.
can anyone on this team pitch?!?
bottom of the 1st, 2 on, 2 out, Pat Burrell has a 2-0 count, gets a fastball right down the middle and pops it up. i already hate this team.
panic and make trades, gillick. itll be fun.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 07, 2006, 07:44:47 PM
jesus christ.
can anyone on this team pitch?!?
Not like their bats have been producing. They need to tweak their lineup:
they need to tweak the ownership
Well thats a given.
the lineup has been baffling all year. to have Ryan Howard bat 6th is so mind-numbing, it's incredible.
the bottom line is Charlie Manuel is a terrible manager.
i could step in a be a better manager, no doubts. that's not message board hyperbole, i 100% am a better baseball manager than Charlie Manuel.
floyd out after 2 2/3's pitched.. jd drew up with bases loaded.
Quote from: MDS on April 07, 2006, 07:58:57 PM
panic and make trades, gillick. itll be fun.
what do you know...the buck shot hit a target
:-D
woohoo its still 5-0
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 07, 2006, 08:04:41 PM
the bottom line is Charlie Manuel is a terrible manager.
he's not terrible.
what do you expect him to do when pitchers can't get anyone out, and batters can't get on base?
what difference would it have made switching where howard is in the lineup?
is it time to bring floyd to the bullpen and shoot him yet?
i'm ready for cole hammels.
damnit. charlie manual MADE utley hit into ANOTHER double play.
HOW DARE HE!
nevermind. it was abreu's fault everyone's farging hero utley hit into a DP.
your lame attempts at sarcasm still don't cover the fact that you are 100% wrong when you say Charlie isn't a terrible manager.
please find me the post where i said Charlie is the cause of all the poor plays during every game. i never said that.
what i have said is that he's a terrible manager. he doens't know how to set a lineup, he can't manage a bullpen and he's retarded when it comes to late-game manuevers.
but caps lock away.
Burrell just went yard. Nice shot.
Hey Peter, turn it to channel 6. Theyre doing the breast exams.
monster shot by Fasano, only a few pitches after he tried to kill a kid in the stands with his bat
Sal Fasano hit a 2-run HR to left. 5-3
Future HOFer Jimmy Rollins 3 for 3 on the night.
and no one did a damn thing after that inning.
but that was all charlie's fault.
gavin floyd with two innings....lolol...what a joke....
the people who overrated him and madson were pathetic....and that includes me...once again i was fooled by this joke of a franchise....
so when do the phils win their first game??
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2006, 10:25:35 PM
gavin floyd with two innings....lolol...what a joke....
the people who overrated him and madson were pathetic....and that includes me...once again i was fooled by this pathetic franchise....
so when do the phils win their first game??
Not this weekend. I really thought it would be tonight. Four games into this and I'm already depressed.
Heck of a beginning, that's for sure. :boom
We kind of stink," Manuel said. "We got to get better."
"We're in a little funk," Manuel said. "It seems we can't get going, but we have a much better club than that. We're going to win some games and we're going to compete."
Man, what an outlook from our lovely manager. Thanks for wanting to compete Charles, I guess thats all we can ask from ya
:flipoff
We're going to win some games and we're going to compete
good lord put a bullet in this guys head
and heads have the gall to complain about lieby and abreu
Once again the hate towards Charlie is pouring in. And once again, I don't understand it. As I said before, he got much better last year after learning the NL game.
I didn't hear anyone trippin when Jim Leyland (aka God in Philadelphia) said that he had no clue about the AL game when the Tigers hired him. But Charlie needs half a season to learn the NL and everyone rips him. And he's mostly ripped because he is a good ol' boy who talks like the southerner he is. Wow. I can see why he should be killed.
The quicker you guys realize that it is the PLAYERS who have to produce, the quicker you might realize that Charlie isn't as bad as you all think/want him to be.
So what if he has Howard hitting 6th? Where else is he going to hit? And I know the anti-Abreu's will chirp about leading Bobby off but you DO NOT take a run producer out of the middle of your line-up.
And let's for arguments sake they DID lead Bobby off. That STILL doesn't solve the fact that Pat Burrell loves to swing at 2-0 pitches after the guy before him walked. That STILL doesn't explain why Utley grounded into a DP and killed a rally. That STILL doesn't explain why, after the mini-rally, the Dodgers BP retired SIXTEEN STRAIGHT BATTERS.
And leading Bobby off and putting Utley in the two or three spot would NOT solve the huge problems named David Bell and Mike Lieberthal.
Until Burrell learns some discipline, until Bell and Lieby are outta here and until the offense gets consistent efforts by individuals the offense will continue to struggle regardless of HOW Charlie constructs the line-up.
So look at the players. I know its easy to rip the old redneck, but jeez. Open your eyes and watch the games.
Floyd was hurt tonight in the first by Howards error. That extended the inning and allowed 2 to score. And Fasano's brainfart of throwing to 3rd to get Navarro out when Tomko bunted cost them as well. If those plays are made, Floyd goes longer.
At least Santana, Fultz and Franklin threw well. But that won't last long if the BP has to pitch 5 innings every goddamn night.
Phreak, its the managers job to put his players in a POSITION to win at all times. I understand the players go thru hitting funks, strike-out, errors, etc...but so does every other MLB team. The way he sets the line-up puts his players in a position to lose at the end of the game..when it matters the most during close games. The other managers know to put a friggin left-handed pitcher in at the end when Charlie has 3 or 4 left handers up to bat. Lets not get into the substitutions he makes, we could be here all night.
You might be the only person in all of Philadelphia and in the league that thinks hes doing a good job as MLB manager.....hes functioning on an IQ that is 5 degrees lower than whale $htein.
no one is blaming everything on charles...but good lord if you cant see that he is totally incompetant then you need help....if he was fired tomorrow the team wouldnt be a playoff contender but it would be a good start in that direction
I believe he is an OK manager. Not great, and certainly not as bad as some make him out to be. The players like him and regardless of what we fans think about how fragile pro sports players are today, that helps when the guys like the manager/coach.
And it is not his fault that the Phils are LH heavy and the RH batters they have stink. Rowand and Burrell are good hitters although Pat has mental lapses and Rowand is off to a tough start. But they have 4 RH hitters. Rowand, Burrell, Lieberthal and Bell. Two of the four are steaming hot garbage.
So how would you construct the line-up, Reese?
And what is wrong with his subs this year so far? Nothing.
Bottom line - and I said this when Bowa got fired and people were hating on Larry - is that it is up to the players to make plays.
Everyone rips Charlie, but watch some other games once in awhile and see how other managers make decsions. The NY media likes to rip on Torre too. He makes some dumb bullpen choices too. Every manager does. But I'm sure you'll come back with 'not as many as Charlie". But like I said - he was much better in the second half last year and he had a terrible bench last year too.
So I do not think he is totally incompetant. I think people just flat out don't like him. They don't like the fact that Ed Wade hired him. They don't like his accent and the fact that he isn't a good speaker. Just like people in this city do not like Andy Reid because he doesn't speak much in the PCs. Maybe teams should hire guys who like to talk and don't have that good ol' boy accent?
Bottom line:
no production from middle of the lineup, specifically chase
starting pitching has been awful, no one has made it past the 5th
blaming it on charlie or bobby and what not is a waste.
Phreak = Texas Southern Boy.
I'm convinced of that now.
;D
Phillies + Pirates = 0-9
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 08, 2006, 08:42:15 AM
Phreak = Texas Southern Boy.
I'm convinced of that now.
;D
:-D
I'm considered a Yankee down in TX but a redneck up here. I AM SO CONFUSED! :'(
You'd fit in well in the midwest. A nice mix of hicks, normal whitebread northeasterners and crazy religious zealots.
I already lived there once. In Kansas. Didn't like it.
Well Kansas sucks. I'm talking about a real town, like St. Louis or Indianapolis. You know, some place where they most exciting thing isn't college basketball and picking corn.
No thanks. I'll leave Heaven to Scott Rolen and Indy to Peyton The Fraud.
Well fine, then just accept more hick jokes to be thrown at you by some dorky college kid you'll probably never meet.
PS the game was rained out. DH tommorrow.
Fine! I will!
At least you admit you're dorky. ;D
I think I've said that plenty of this board. I've got nothing to hide, except for the murder plans of Art.
Does anyone here use the Phillies Ticket Marketplace for premium seats? I was just browsing through it and there were some incredible seats there.
Yeah, they're expensive and all but damn, if I lived up there and wanted to treat the family to a nice time, I'd definitely take advantage of the service. Plus, they're guaranteed. No need to worry about getting hosed on Ebay or by some dirtbag ticket scalper.
Just curious...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 08, 2006, 09:10:47 PM
Does anyone here use the Phillies Ticket Marketplace for premium seats? I was just browsing through it and there were some incredible seats there.
Yeah, they're expensive and all but damn, if I lived up there and wanted to treat the family to a nice time, I'd definitely take advantage of the service. Plus, they're guaranteed. No need to worry about getting hosed on Ebay or by some dirtbag ticket scalper.
Just curious...
The Premium seats in that stadium are unbelievable, just so you know. I friggin love that ballpark.
And I agree, its better to know you're not going to get there and find out that you've been scammed.
[Rant]As of right now, this team is an absolute disgrace. Abreu misjudges his leap against the wall allowing Drew a triple and a run to score, then Rollins muffs a routine pop up that my 4 year old brother could catch. It's bad enough our starters ERA is over 9.00 and we're 2-28 with RISP, but the fielding errors that have occurred since the season has started are inexcusable. They need to get their heads out of their asses and fast.[Over]
2-0 Dodgers in the first.
LOL. You have a four-year old brother?
Aren't you like 30 or something?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 09, 2006, 01:26:49 PM
LOL. You have a four-year old brother?
Aren't you like 30 or something?
Yes. There's a 26 year age gap between him and I.
Make that 3-0. They suck.
Wow...
:o
Anyway, big surprise about the Phillies. I thought they'd come out fighting today after having a day off yesterday.
Oh well... three weeks 'til draft day!
:cfhead
I'm openly laughing at all of you not only predicting 90 wins and a playoff spot, but a WORLD SERIES.
Ha! Laughing.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 09, 2006, 01:39:55 PM
I'm openly laughing at all of you not only predicting 90 wins and a playoff spot, but a WORLD SERIES.
Ha! Laughing.
I predicted 86 wins and either 2nd or 3rd place. I was being way too generous, this team is atrocius. I was going to head down to CBP for the second half of the DP, now I'm saying farg it.
Rowand drops a fly ball, man at 2nd
Abreu misjudges another fly ball, though it was a tough play
Rollins drops a pop up
Some dude leads off the 2nd with a CBP HR
3-0 LA now top 3rd and they have 1st and 2nd 2 outs
haha this team is awful
I like Madsen as a starter though. He seems to have a good plan. Are any of his runs earned? I have been kinda in and out on this game.
As far as the stadium, I was there for the first time Friday and my God, it's a farging cathedral. I went to many games with my dad at Connie Mack and the Vet and was very emotional out in Ashburn Alley. My dad just got a very ominous report from the Dr and the alley brought back alot of memories. I'll catch alot of games this year, the stadium is just awesome.
is that something you dreamt about last night when you were passed out in an alley after oding from some crack you bought off a homeless guy?
Utley RBI. Should been a DP. Guess we will take it.
And to think I was upset when I couldn't get the game on my Extra Innings package.
Come to think about it... I still am. Why am I paying $$$ for this @*(&#*(@*( package when I can't get ½ the @*#@()#*@#@*) games! :boom
mlb.tv is better for watching games, but you should have high speed to get it.
My sister and I are 19 years apart...
Anyways, at least they got a run back on that botched DP by the Dodgers. That makes up for the free run they got when Jimmy dropped that fly ball.
This team looks like a freakin Keystone Kops team.
And Lowe has his sinker working.
AND THAT USELESS FARGING LOSER David Bell once again gets the start against a RHP.
I am openly rooting for him to not do shtein so it gets so bad Charlie has no choice but to bench him.
farg I hate him and Lieberthal.
Nunez should start the next game, along with Fasano
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 09, 2006, 02:17:12 PM
And to think I was upset when I couldn't get the game on my Extra Innings package.
Come to think about it... I still am. Why am I paying $$$ for this @*(&#*(@*( package when I can't get ½ the @*#@()#*@#@*) games! :boom
Not to mention the out of town announcers are brutal.
I still haven't purchased my MLB.TV package yet.
I'm waiting for them to win a game first.
:-D
Phillies have a pither going into the 6th. Holy shtein!
Madson's done for the day but that was the best game from a starter this season.
Must...kill, injure and/or maim David Bell. >:(
Lieby doubled. I'm fargin shocked he even made contact, the bum.
WE NEED A GODDAMN RALLY! COME ON!
Howard's bitch coming in. Won't last long enough to face his daddy.
Nice clutch hit by Rowand, squeezed in between two crappy AB's by Rollins and Abreu.
Abreu wasn't as bad as Rollins. Brozboan walked Victorino, badly, on 4 pitches. Then he missed badly on ball 1, but Rollins swung for the fences on the next pitch. Barely got out of the infield. Can't say that was the first time he did something like that.
I wonder how the Phils are going to choke on this 0-out, 2-on opportunity...
Step 1: Howard goes down swinging.
Step 2: David Bell coming to the plate.
God, I'm good.
Bell hits into a DP. Wow. 1st and 2nd no outs, bums can't get a run in.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 09, 2006, 03:49:04 PM
Wow. 1st and 2nd no outs, bums can't get a run in.
There's an echo in this here cave, I say!
So, seriously.. what are the odds of a lineup of Delucci/Victorino/Rollins/Fasano getting in a run in the bottom of the 9th?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 09, 2006, 03:55:56 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 09, 2006, 03:49:04 PM
Wow. 1st and 2nd no outs, bums can't get a run in.
There's an echo in this here cave, I say!
So, seriously.. what are the odds of a lineup of Delucci/Victorino/Rollins/Fasano getting in a run in the bottom of the 9th?
ZERO since Cholly pinch-hit Gonzalez instead of Delucci.
Bobby can either cram it in my ear here, or prove me right...again. we shall see.
my ear hurts
Abreu with a 3 run shot to left to end the game. Phils win! Phils win! Phils win! I'm in shock.
MY BOY BOBBY A!!
Major Impact
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 09, 2006, 04:03:14 PM
Bobby can either cram it in my ear here, or prove me right...again. we shall see.
;D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 09, 2006, 04:07:52 PM
my ear hurts
Wow.. opposite field 3-2 2-out hit to give the Phils their first win of the year? That earns Bobby some clutch points.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 09, 2006, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 09, 2006, 04:07:52 PM
my ear hurts
Wow.. opposite field 3-2 2-out hit to give the Phils their first win of the year? That earns Bobby some clutch points.
[Eskin] Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. [/Eskin]
When does the next game start?
Quote from: NGM on April 09, 2006, 04:36:14 PM
When does the next game start?
Already in bottom 1.
And Abreu knocks in future HOFer Jimmy Rollins for a 1-0 Phils... lead. :o
Phils rebound from first game win to throw away second with crappy bullpen performance by Aaron Fultz!
We knew you could do it, guys! Way to go!!
The offense has been disappointing so far.
Great lineup by Manuel 5-9:
Dellucci
Gonzalez
Nunez
Fasano
Lieber
Brilliant.
Why can't pitchers put away teams when they get two outs? It seems like almost every game this year the other team has put up big runs with two farging outs.
Aaron Fultz was shtein.
And did you see what David Dellucci did on that sinking liner? Thats why when you are in no-mans-land and don't think you can get to it you pull up and play it on the hop so it doesn't get by you and allow more runs to score.
1-5 heading into ATL.
At least the Braves pitching sucks ass. And Larry Jones hurt his knee pretty bad today too. I was watching that game while the Phils were on commercial. He went to field a grounder, a slow roller, twisted his ankle and then his knee locked up on him.
So sad to see Larry squirming around on the ground.
Wheels is looking foward to the trip. Scrappy dirtball Marcus Giles is playing!!
Oh, God. Wheels will be blowing him for 3 days. :boo
At least they won't face Hudson or Smoltz in this series... :-\
Total of 2 wins on the season after this series what?
Shoot, Hudson and Smoltz were touched up a little bit themselves. All I know is that they might have lost more than they thought when Leo mazzone went to BAL. Outside of Villareal and that Ray dude, their pitching has sucked balls.
But either way, the Phils better get the bats going.
Congrats, they've put themselves in a must perform well situation for this mini road trip. In the second week of April. Yikes.
Dude, its the Phillies. It wouldn't be the Phils if it wasn't a must win 6 games into the season.
At least the Braves pitching sucks ass. And Larry Jones hurt his knee pretty bad today too
yeah and the dodgers were 'banged up' coming in
i went to the abreu game yesterday and ate six $1 hotdogs...great game that was ruined while listening to the second half of the dh driving home
Gillick was on Sports Final last night. one of the things that John Clark asked about was a report that the Phillies payroll went from 95 million last year to 88 million this year, something Howard had been saying.
Gillick said it's absolutely untrue and that their payroll is closer to 96 million. He said that published report didn't take into account that they are paying 7 million of Jim Thome's contract.
so, it sounds like the payroll for their actual players is around 88 million but they are counting Thome's salary towards their budget, which is just wonderful.
so anyway, we got a win yesterday! yea abreau!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2006, 03:02:51 AM
Dude, its the Phillies. It wouldn't be the Phils if it wasn't a must win 6 games into the season.
:-D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 10, 2006, 08:59:52 AMthe payroll for their actual players is around 88 million but they are counting Thome's salary towards their budget, which is just wonderful.
I thought that was pretty much known. The cash given in a trade has to come from somewhere....
it shouldn't count against the player salaries budget
Where should it count? It's a player's salary.
not a player playing for them. this isn't the salary cap, this is their budget, they decide what and how much gets spent where.
they should just eat that money and still have the money to spend in the players salary budget.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 10, 2006, 10:18:35 AM
it shouldn't count against the player salaries budget
yes it should
no it shouldn't he's not on the roster. but that's probably a little too hard to understand.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 10, 2006, 10:32:59 AM
no it shouldn't he's not on the roster. but that's probably a little too hard to understand.
he is a player though
not for them.
Doesn't matter. They are paying part of his salary because of the large buckets of money they had committed to him in a previous contract being too much for another team to take on after his barrage of injuries.
They're also paying Ryan Howard minimum wage and they're also paying Aaron Rowand's salary with the savings they're getting from dealing Thome.
It's almost the same thing as the dead cap money in the NBA and NFL. The player isn't on the team but his pay still counts.
Meanwhile, here's a great pic from PhilliesPhans:
(http://www.garveyconnelly.com/images/temp/WheelsVirgin.jpg)
the bottom line is their payroll is down from last year.
ha. good stuff Ed
jim leyland is 5-1
vincente padilla 2-0
gillick shouldve fired manuel and hired leyland
padilla sucks dont get caught up in that. gillick did get liquid ass for him, though.
padilla doesnt suck but hes not an all-star either...hed be the phils 2nd best pitcher right now
Has he talked to the Texas media yet, or is he ignoring them too?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2006, 12:18:20 PM
padilla doesnt suck but hes not an all-star either...hed be the phils 2nd best pitcher right now
Faint praise, indeed...
hes infintely better than floyd...again not saying much but it would make the rotation much better
in the end it wasnt trading padilla that was bad it was giving him away
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 10, 2006, 01:01:13 PM
Has he talked to the Texas media yet, or is he ignoring them too?
that matters how?
edit
I hope Manuel uses the same lineup he used last night in the second game. Maybe give the starters another rest, being the 7th game of the season and all, they deserve it....
Minor change to the lineup tonight, Burrell is 4th and Utley is 5th.
Bell is hitting .067 :-D
that average is cute
Cool. Let's spread out the whiffs. Now the lineup is set to K at 4, 6, 8, and 9.
I'm gonna cry in the car.
Someone give me another word for hate. I'm tired of typing it before I say David Bell.
as a noun:
abhorrence, abomination, anathema, animosity, animus, antagonism, antipathy, aversion, bete noire, black beast, bother, bugbear, destination, detestation, disgust, dislike, dog-eye, enmity, execration, frost, grievance, gripe, hatred, horror, hostility, ill will, irritant, loathing, malevolence, malignity, mislike, nasty look, nuisance, objection, odium, pain, rancor, rankling, repugnance, repulsion, resentment, revenge, revulsion, scorn, shudders, spite, trouble, venom
as a verb:
abhor, abominate, allergic to, anathematize, be loath, be reluctant, be sorry, can't stand, contemn, curse, deprecate, deride, despise, detest, disapprove, disdain, disfavor, dislike, disparage, down on, execrate, loathe, nauseate, object to, recoil from, scorn, shudder at, shun, spit upon, spurn
abhorrence, abomination, anathema, animosity, animus, antagonism, antipathy, aversion, bete noire, black beast, bother, bugbear, destination, detestation, disgust, dislike, dog-eye, enmity, execration, frost, grievance, gripe, hatred, horror, hostility, ill will, irritant, loathing, malevolence, malignity, mislike, nasty look, nuisance, objection, odium, pain, rancor, rankling, repugnance, repulsion, resentment, revenge, revulsion, scorn, shudders, spite, trouble, venom
Any one of those will do...
ahahha...good stuff MDS...you love dictionary.com
uhhhh i win
Ok, thanks. Here I go.
David Bell is in the lineup again?!?!? I farging abhorrence, abomination, anathema, animosity, animus, antagonism, antipathy, aversion, bete noire, black beast, bother, bugbear, destination, detestation, disgust, dislike, dog-eye, enmity, execration, frost, grievance, gripe, hatred, horror, hostility, ill will, irritant, loathing, malevolence, malignity, mislike, nasty look, nuisance, objection, odium, pain, rancor, rankling, repugnance, repulsion, resentment, revenge, revulsion, scorn, shudders, spite, trouble, venom DAVID BELL!!
Yes, I know it doesn't sound right. But neither does the fact that that icehole is in the lineup again!
He's a gamer. He's a dirtball. He plays the game the right way. He's a veteran. He's a professional. He's American. He's white.
-Chris Wheeler
Quote from: MDS on April 10, 2006, 07:03:38 PM
He's a gamer. He's a dirtball. He plays the game the right way. He's a veteran. He's a professional. He's American. He's white.
-Chris Wheeler
Ha!
Chris Wheeler drinking games includes two shots of jack when he overpraises some 8 hole hitting scrub (always a white guy).
Is Bell hitting 8th tonight? Lieberthal deserves to be moved up, IMO. To 7th.
Nope. Bell still 7th. Just be patient with this. Cholly can't be that far away from starting Nunez against RHP. It's been like 3 games.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 07:14:52 PM
Is Bell hitting 8th tonight? Lieberthal deserves to be moved up, IMO. To 7thleadoff.
Rowand just bunt popped out. Wow.
And Burrell swings at a ball on his shoetops with a 2-0 count. :boom
AND @#^#*&^#%&% TAKES STRIKE THREE! :boom :boom :boom
You can always count on the Phils to strand a guy after he hits a leadoff double.
World Series
Myers just K's the third baseman, then gives up a hit to the pitcher.
See if Myers can get out of the jam.
Bases juiced for Andruw Jones. I think we know where this is going.
He'll get nothing and like it!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 10, 2006, 08:06:41 PM
He'll get nothing and like it!
DAVID BELL MAKES THE PLAY AND DOESN'T BOOT THE BALL!!!11
one pitch out. they've turned it around and are now world series bound baby.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 10, 2006, 08:08:37 PM
one pitch out. they've turned it around and are now world series bound baby.
Bandwagon jumper.
It was nice to see them take advantage of the Utley/Howard lefty/lefty combo to start the 4th.
It sure would be nice if the offense could get Myers some runs.
He can't give out ANOTHER hit to Thomson, can he?!?
:-D :boom
sweet.
Due Up:
Lieberthal
Myers
Rollins
Rowand
I smell rally.
Abreu took the first pitch...im shocked, but glad he did--although he did get the last out...bum..hhaha
wow.. rollins actually took a walk, and roward smashed a ball past the RF. abreu almost got it over the SS's head to tie it up.. at least they got one back.
a run!!!!!
I'll take the run anyway it comes. Go Phils.
and ... sweet.
cute HR by Jones...shakin my head here
It was nice of Jones to hit that when the bases were empty instead of the last time he was up, though.
RBI single David Bell, that combined with his stellar play at the hot corner tonight = MVP
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 10, 2006, 08:52:21 PM
RBI single David Bell, that combined with his stellar play at the hot corner tonight = MVP
Absolutely. Even if they still lose.
I demand a David Bell tracker thread!
and nunez ends the threat with a horrible at bat. should've just kept myers in.
Nunez has been extreamly unimpressive. Like I'd rather put Bell out there.
Phils pinch hitting this season has been awful.
Cormier in. I'm stoked.
I hate that scrappy piece of scrappy crap scrap, Marcus Giles. Hate.
friggin sounds like a playoff game there
Quote from: reese125 on April 10, 2006, 09:40:36 PM
friggin sounds like a playoff game there
Which is ironic since they can't sell out their playoff games.
Quote from: reese125 on April 10, 2006, 09:40:36 PM
friggin sounds like a playoff game there
enthusiasm's quite a thing.
sometime next decade i'm sure us phillies fans will be able to have something to cheer about.
This crap is gettin' old and were only six games in. Swell.
1-6.
Bums
Cory Lidle will stop the bleeding. :-D
BUSINESS EXECUTIVE: They don't look particularly good, do they?
LONGSHOREMEN: I'll tell ya. They don't look very fargin' good.
GROUNDSKEEPER: (in subtitles) They're zesty.
Well thats just about it. Theyre no better than they were last year, and now are a fabulous 1-6. Like really, how the hell is this pack of mediocre losers gonna climb out of this hole? The pitching sucks, no one outside of Abreu is hitting....UGH farg THIS DAMN TEAM I CANT TAKE IT
Reporter: "How do you feel about the state of the team after tonights loss?"
Charlie Manuel: "Man, we still sink....wheew (taking his hat off)...Atlanta's tough huh? Were still gonna compete though."
Reporter: "What kind of adjustments do you guys need to make to get back on track?"
Charlie Manuel: "Uh....well.....we need to....to..to....(yawn) I'm sleepy."
I know its not his fault, I just hate him. Go Phils :yay
Get Dontrelle Willis. that is incredibly accurate.
With Wolf, Loserthal, Bell, Lidle, Cormier, Fultz, Rhodes and others coming off the salary next year; let's look ahead since this season appears to be over before the middle of April:
Catchers:
Doug Mirabelli
Javy Lopez
3rd Base:
Vinny Castilla
Melvin Mora
Pedro Feliz
Starters:
Jason Schmidt
John Smoltz--team option
Mike Mussina
Andy Pettitte
Mark Mulder
Barry Zito
Mark Buehrle--team option
Closers:
Mariano Rivera--team option
Eddie Guardado
Sounds great.
GET VINNY CASTILLA!!11
Disgusting. Bunch of goddamn bitchass losers.
HIT THE MOTHERFARGING BALL.
Why is Ryan Howard not driving the ball?
Why is Chase Utley not hitting at all?
Why is Mike Lieberthal alive?
Why do I watch this garbage?
Why will I watch again tomorrow?
1-6.
ONE AND EFFING SIX!
Bums.
Also, once again the Phillies pitchers love giving up runs with 2 outs. Farg.
Phreak,
It could be worse.
You could have to listen to the @*(&#@*(&#*( Atlanta announcers.
:puke :fire :bash :chair :crazy
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2006, 10:22:35 PM
Also, once again the Phillies pitchers love giving up runs with 2 outs. Farg.
The Phillies lost by two runs, and Myers gave up a 2-out TWO-RUN double to the OPPOSING PITCHER.
Ace.
No game tommorrow. Yea!
They won't win anything until they fix this lineup. People are out of position....
Are you mainly talking about Rowand in the 2-hole, Ed?
He should be protecting Howard by hitting 6th. Howard should be 5th. Utley should be 2nd. Utley is not a cleanup hitter or a #5 hitter. Howard is hitting too low in the order and has no protection behind him....
David Bell isn't protection?
They won't win anything until they fix this lineup. People are out of position....
translation when manuel is fired
thats the one good thing about this start...hopefully gillick will put a bullet in charlies head...he is pathetic
i disagree with utley in the two hole...he strikes out too much and is a total pull hitter...he not a move the runner kind of guy hes a drive the runner in guy...id put him in the 6th hole behind howard...they dont really have a two hole hitter rowand is as good as any right now...
what they really need to do is get rid of burrell and replace him with a 75-85 rbi contact hitter...theres way to many all or nothing people in this lineup...unfortunately i think they tried that and found out they cant give burrell away
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2006, 10:22:35 PM
Why is Ryan Howard not driving the ball?
I say it's because he's batting in the wrong spot in the lineup.
The 6th hitter is going to get garbage pitches because .072 is hitting behind him. You need someone who is good at making contact and someone who can take walks to hit there, like Bobby A. I know hitting him 6th sounds silly, but for the reasons i mentioned above, that would be a good spot for him.
You hit Rollins at leadoff, Rowand 2nd, Chase 3rd, Burrell 4th, Howard 5th, and Abreu 6th. that way, the protection of hitters climbs up the the ladder all the way to Rowand.
what they really need to do is get rid of burrell and replace him with a 75-85 rbi contact hitter
couldnt agree with this statement more...but in mngmt's eyes its hard to give up 115+ RBI's
Utley is tough because he is either going to SO or get you a hit. He's hard to place in the lineup, because either you want momentum to start off the lineup or you want RBI's when you have runners on base. Since he's like 3rd or 4th in the league at his position in RBI's, I think you keep him down there (I think Manuel sees it like that, but he can barely read, so its potluck I guess). Problem there having now is the SO's at the 4th and 5th and now the 6th spot with Utley generating squat. Cant have it obviously. As soon as Howard gets going, Utley will follow. Im waiting for the ripple effect and it will happen soon. They have an intimidating line-up, its just a matter of time.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 11, 2006, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2006, 10:22:35 PM
Why is Ryan Howard not driving the ball?
I say it's because he's batting in the wrong spot in the lineup.
The 6th hitter is going to get garbage pitches because .072 is hitting behind him. You need someone who is good at making contact and someone who can take walks to hit there, like Bobby A. I know hitting him 6th sounds silly, but for the reasons i mentioned above, that would be a good spot for him.
You hit Rollins at leadoff, Rowand 2nd, Chase 3rd, Burrell 4th, Howard 5th, and Abreu 6th. that way, the protection of hitters climbs up the the ladder all the way to Rowand.
never happen
Quote from: reese125 on April 11, 2006, 09:03:43 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 11, 2006, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2006, 10:22:35 PM
Why is Ryan Howard not driving the ball?
I say it's because he's batting in the wrong spot in the lineup.
The 6th hitter is going to get garbage pitches because .072 is hitting behind him. You need someone who is good at making contact and someone who can take walks to hit there, like Bobby A. I know hitting him 6th sounds silly, but for the reasons i mentioned above, that would be a good spot for him.
You hit Rollins at leadoff, Rowand 2nd, Chase 3rd, Burrell 4th, Howard 5th, and Abreu 6th. that way, the protection of hitters climbs up the the ladder all the way to Rowand.
never happen
i know that, but it's the best possible lineup, IMO
abreau walks over 100 times every year and has a very good obp...he has to hit in front of the big boys not behind them
what's the point if nobody knocks him in.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2006, 09:07:56 AM
abreau walks over 100 times every year and has a very good obp...he has to hit in front of the big boys not behind them
the confetti and balloons just fell on top of ya IGY
they should only field three players. rowand, rollins, and abreu.
no one else is hitting a damn thing. but at least you'll get 9 at bats gaurenteed from them
the pitcher the phils let go for nothing because no one liked him (boo farging hoo) is 2-0 with a 3.00 era.
the slugger everyone gave up on and wanted to trade to let howard play is batting .318 with 4 hrs
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 09:19:55 AM
the pitcher the phils let go for nothing because no one liked him (boo farging hoo) is 2-0 with a 3.00 era.
the slugger everyone gave up on and wanted to trade to let howard play is batting .318 with 4 hrs
Im shocked to see any athlete that leaves Philadelphia succeed elsewhere. That never happens huh
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 09:19:55 AM
the slugger everyone gave up on and wanted to trade to let howard play is batting .318 with 4 hrs
you're suggesting they should've kept him? it's a week into the season.
what's the point if nobody knocks him in.
if they arent hitting theres nothing you can do about it...in your scenario the big boys get up and strike out...leaving abreu up there with no one on and david bell behind him...can you say 200 walks a year
abreu walking in front of a guy is better than abreu hitting behind that same person....having people on base gets you better pitches than having a good hitter behind you
if you wanna help howard
and he needs it right now
what you do is move him to clean up
that non stop off speed stuff junk hes getting now will stop with the quickness if rollins rowand and abreu are on base when he comes up
i agree, the Abreu to 6th thing probably not the right move by the numbers, but i keep thinking how anybody who bats 6th is going to get garbage and Abreu is their best garbage hitter.
but yes, of ALL the players who shouldn't bat 6th, Howard is #1 on that list.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 09:19:55 AM
the pitcher the phils let go for nothing because no one liked him (boo farging hoo) is 2-0 with a 3.00 era.
the slugger everyone gave up on and wanted to trade to let howard play is batting .318 with 4 hrs
stop. Please.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 11, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 09:19:55 AM
the slugger everyone gave up on and wanted to trade to let howard play is batting .318 with 4 hrs
you're suggesting they should've kept him? it's a week into the season.
the boy could be rejuvenated..happens a lot. How do we know if he was really hurt all that time here (as a matter of fact, I think we do know). I think there was too much pressure on him to hit HR's here. When your playing for the World Series champs, hits are coming left and right, the fans arent bearing down on you, you just go up to the plate and swing away with confidence. He didnt have that here. I say he makes it thru the season....GO THOME.
lmfao at the second guessing already of trading Thome.
So farging typical and pathetic all in one big breath.
Quote from: reese125 on April 11, 2006, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 11, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 09:19:55 AM
the slugger everyone gave up on and wanted to trade to let howard play is batting .318 with 4 hrs
you're suggesting they should've kept him? it's a week into the season.
the boy could be rejuvenated..happens a lot. How do we know if he was really hurt all that time here (as a matter of fact, I think we do know). I think there was too much pressure on him to hit HR's here. When your playing for the World Series champs, hits are coming left and right, the fans arent bearing down on you, you just go up to the plate and swing away with confidence. He didnt have that here. I say he makes it thru the season....GO THOME.
i think no matter what Jim Thome does in Chicago, the trade was a great one. You lost a chunk of his salary, you got 2 pitching prospects, one of which is supposedly a stud, and you got a great defensive centerfielder, for a player that was holding back a young superstar. There's no way to lose there.
everyone knew/knows that thome is good for 45-50 homers if he is healthy....but he had to go...
padilla trade was a terrible one...that addition by subtraction crap is bs...so he was a semi head case on the mound...by that definition myers should go well
bottom line is you dont give away a top three pitcher when your pitching is arguably the worst in the league
Thome is also a DH. Big difference when you dont have to take the field every day.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 11, 2006, 12:35:13 AM
He should be protecting Howard by hitting 6th. Howard should be 5th. Utley should be 2nd. Utley is not a cleanup hitter or a #5 hitter. Howard is hitting too low in the order and has no protection behind him....
I was going to suggest this lineup change a few days ago, then Rowand starting hitting so I figured I'd hold off. But couldn't agree more.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 11, 2006, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 11, 2006, 12:35:13 AM
He should be protecting Howard by hitting 6th. Howard should be 5th. Utley should be 2nd. Utley is not a cleanup hitter or a #5 hitter. Howard is hitting too low in the order and has no protection behind him....
I was going to suggest this lineup change a few days ago, then Rowand starting hitting so I figured I'd hold off. But couldn't agree more.
I also agree that Howard is hitting way too far down in the lineup.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 11, 2006, 09:28:04 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 09:19:55 AM
the pitcher the phils let go for nothing because no one liked him (boo farging hoo) is 2-0 with a 3.00 era.
the slugger everyone gave up on and wanted to trade to let howard play is batting .318 with 4 hrs
stop. Please.
not 2nd guessing thome...it was a choice to make between him and howard. i have no problems wityh that. but he was basically run out of town because he was hurt last season
but i am with padilla
i dont understand why he was let go...and for nothing. the guy, while a little whacko, didnt like the media, had more talent than any other pitcher left on the roster.
the phils got nothing for him and that is totally pathetic and a complete farg up by gillick, and it is clear that this team isnt even close to as good as last season.
obviously the Phils are playing like shtein, but I still think it is too early to write them off after seeing what the Astros did last year.
Quote from: MURP on April 11, 2006, 09:39:08 AM
Thome is also a DH. Big difference when you dont have to take the field every day.
...because he was getting tired sprinting to 1st base to catch the ball and diving all over the place?
yep, thats why.
obviously the Phils are playing like shtein, but I still think it is too early to write them off after seeing what the Astros did last year.
no comparison...astros had great pitching...and thats the only way you can get back in a race
phils pitching is not just not great its pretty damn terrible
Quote from: MURP on April 11, 2006, 09:52:09 AM
obviously the Phils are playing like shtein, but I still think it is too early to write them off after seeing what the Astros did last year.
they also have a pitching staff (even without clemens so far this season) that is almost 2nd to none in the NL.
oswalt, petitte, lidge, backe...
and you watch, Taylor Buchholz will win 15 games this season. (the main prospect sent to houston for wagner)
ok, so you have written them off, I havnt.
anyone who writes off a team after 7 games in a 162 game season is retarded.
Have a nice day.
I agree that writing the Phillies off after one week is preposterous.
Personally, I'm giving them at least two.
;)
i'm not writing them off, but this team looks identical to last years and the year before.
if they are not at least 5 games above .500 by may 31....you can make other plans. we saw last season that games in april mean as much as they do in sept.
(6 vs brewers)
(7 vs rockies)
(3 vs reds)
(3 vs pirates)
all terrible teams last season
and the division games
2 move vs braves
6 vs nats
6 vs mets
5 vs marlins
2 other series
3 vs red sox
3 vs giants
thats 44 games. they want the summer to be interesting...they NEED to go 27-17 in that stretch. otherwise both the braves and maybe the mets will be too far in front of them.
but what do i know...i may be retarded ::) (http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/rolleye/rolleye0007.gif)
The big mistake with Thome was signing him in the first place- NOT because of Thome (who I loved), but because it kept Howard down for an extra year (He turns 27 in November), which was Ed Wade's MO (let the prospects wither on the vine).
Having Howard ready to go full bore, Gillick getting not just a starting CF, but two top-tier pitching prospects for Thome was an excellent move.
As for Padilla, between his alleged affinity for the bottle, his lack of production for the past 2+ years (16-19, 4.50+ ERA, 1.5+ WHIP, walking more than ever) and recent injury history, I'm not sure what the Phils could have gotten for him. A prospect? Would have been low-end, but perhaps better than spring training roster fodder. Prime value would have been after 2003 (two consecutive 14-win seasons), and even last winter would have been better.
i had them written off before the season started
did i think theyd be this bad no
do i think they are this bad no
did i ever think they would make the playoffs no
75-85 wins
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 10:24:40 AM
if they are not at least 5 games above .500 by may 31....you can make other plans.
im not talking about May 31. Im talking about now.
nevermind...this 1-6 thing...all part of the plan.
If you have written them off then what is the big deal if they lose every game?
Those who have written them off, I expect you won't be excited or eager to watch when they DO start playing well?
It seems pretty obvious that this first week is a prime example of Murphy's Law acting in full force.
Pretty lousy starting pitching, average hitting except with RISP in which they've been dreadful, and piss poor defense = 1-6 record.
All three areas will absolutely improve before too long.
What concerns me is if they continue to dilly dally in terms of wins and losses and continue to play sloppy, the other teams in the division will get too far out in front of them to be caught.
It doesn't make any difference to me anyway. I'll still watch nearly every game. I'll be delighted when they win and pissed off when they lose. Same old, same old...
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 11, 2006, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 11, 2006, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 11, 2006, 12:35:13 AM
He should be protecting Howard by hitting 6th. Howard should be 5th. Utley should be 2nd. Utley is not a cleanup hitter or a #5 hitter. Howard is hitting too low in the order and has no protection behind him....
I was going to suggest this lineup change a few days ago, then Rowand starting hitting so I figured I'd hold off. But couldn't agree more.
I also agree that Howard is hitting way too far down in the lineup.
I've been telling my friends that. That guy should be no lower than 4th with his power. Bump Abreu. Howard is the future!
Quote from: MURP on April 11, 2006, 10:39:38 AM
If you have written them off then what is the big deal if they lose every game?
i havent written them off.
but it's becoming clear that they arent as good as last season. and all you heard was this "one game from the playoffs" mantra...yet there wasnt anything done to improve the pitching, and without padilla and wagner...it's a weaker staff.
the offensive moves cancel each other out. thome barely played so he was already gone, and howard was already there. lofton hit .335 last season in 110 games, rowand his .305 last season...so it's a wash.
the may have improved the bench. but that remains to be seen.
it's not me that has written off the phils. it's the phils that have written off themselves, by not taking any major steps to improve the weaknesses of last season.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 10:48:45 AM
but it's becoming clear that they arent as good as last season.
lmfao...after one week, you have absolutely no way to know that. NONE.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 11, 2006, 10:49:51 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 10:48:45 AM
but it's becoming clear that they arent as good as last season.
lmfao...after one week, you have absolutely no way to know that. NONE.
1-6
with 155 games to go.
where have they gotten better over last season? even better on paper?
at what position have they brought in someone new that is an improvement over last season? i dont see 1 spot.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 10:59:16 AM
where have they gotten better over last season? even better on paper?
at what position have they brought in someone new that is an improvement over last season? i dont see 1 spot.
You want one spot?
Aaron Rowand>>> Lofton/Michaels
If you have written them off then what is the big deal if they lose every game?
right now its the carry over optimism of spring training that i have every year reagrdless of how good i think they are that gets me upset...but after the start theyve had and as they continue to prove they arent playoff caliber my care factor gets less and less...
Those who have written them off, I expect you won't be excited or eager to watch when they DO start playing well?
what does this mean...if you dont think they are good enough now to make the playoffs you arent allowed to cheer for them if they do?
You want one spot?
Aaron Rowand>>> Lofton/Michaels
if it ends up being an improvement at all its marginal at best
regardless if thats what youre resting your hopes on good luck with it
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 10:52:13 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 11, 2006, 10:49:51 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 10:48:45 AM
but it's becoming clear that they arent as good as last season.
lmfao...after one week, you have absolutely no way to know that. NONE.
1-6
Last year they started 1-3, but were 3-4 after seven.
2004, started 1-6.
It's not over by a long shot, but I'd like to see them win the next two against the stinkin' Braves.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2006, 11:02:57 AM
Those who have written them off, I expect you won't be excited or eager to watch when they DO start playing well?
what does this mean...if you dont think they are good enough now to make the playoffs you arent allowed to cheer for them if they do?
It means that if you are dumb enough to write them off after a WEEK into the season, you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy their success. Exactly.
I agree with PG. It would be like writing the Eagles off after one abysmal blow-out loss to open the season.
One week doesn't make an entire season. They'll catch fire eventually. What concerns me now and for the future is what has concerned me during this past week: Crappy starting pitching, lack of hitting with RISP and shoddy defense. If they get that turned around (which they should) then they should be contenders all season long.
It means that if you are dumb enough to write them off after a WEEK into the season, you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy their success. Exactly.
i love sports snobs...telling people when they can and cant root for their team
so you can write a team off before a season but not one week in?
are you saying before a season starts every team in every sport has an equal chance to win?
criticizing them and being angry about an embarassing start is not writing them off, it's human nature.
well, there's that too
I'm going to go ahead and write them off. I'll take the chance and throw caution to the wind that there won't be any real *success* to be enjoyed this season, unless you mean the inevitable "can they finish the season over .500?" or even the "Phillies in thick of wild card hunt, only to be foiled again" nonsense.
The cool part is that I'm still allowed to enjoy or not enjoy as I see fit. I doubt there will be much enjoyable, but I will at least enjoy when this team gives false hope to those of you that aren't giving up.
Analysis:
Bell - sucks, and Nunez isn't a terribly exciting option either
Rollins - not patient enough to be a reliable leadoff hitter in general, but thankfully he's hitting the ball well
Utley - he'll make a positive impact on the season when all's said and done
Howard - he really has a lot of trouble with lefties - sophomore slump time
Burrell - infuriating player... has no clue where the strike zone is
Rowand - might be a nice player after he's adjusted to some of the new pitchers in the NL
Abreu - he is what he is... and there aren't too many better RF's in the game, despite what we say about him all the time
Lieberthal - Ha! He's hitting better than expected thus far, but his defense is atrocious anymore
Starting Pitching - God awful. There is no #2 starter on the team, let alone a #1. Madson and Myers will both have to pitch lights out game after game for the team to make any kind of surge.
Relief Pitching - Honestly... could be worse. I mean... it's not as if the offense and starting pitching is giving them leads to blow very often, so who knows?
Bench - Sucks, but this team misses Michaels a lot. The pinch hitting has been awful.
Coaching - Haaaaaaaahahahahahaa (jk, I think "Cholly" is not nearly as much to blame as many fans would like to believe. Is it his fault the team can't get a hit with RISP? NO.)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 11, 2006, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 10:59:16 AM
where have they gotten better over last season? even better on paper?
at what position have they brought in someone new that is an improvement over last season? i dont see 1 spot.
You want one spot?
Aaron Rowand>>> Lofton/Michaels
it's a wash...the upside to the deal was only losing a player you already lost last season in thome.
2005 Rowand
.270 69 RBI 13 HR 116 K, 157 games
.992 Feilding % 3 Assists 3 errors
2005 Michaels (at CF only)
.330 25 RBI 4 HR 34K
.988 Feilding % 2 assists, 0 errors
2005 Lofton
.334 36 RBI 2 HR 33K
.981 Feilding % 7 assists, 4 errors
it's a defensive upgrade. offensively, it's an even swap.
it's a big defensive upgrade though
fielding numbers for OFs aren't that helpful, it's more about range and rowand's got great range
The cool part is that I'm still allowed to enjoy or not enjoy as I see fit
no youre not
and youre also not allowed to think a team cant be successful until _____ (how many weeks is it pg?) weeks into the season
even tho pg allowed herself to write off the taterskins before the last nfl season
lofton had the same range, but realistically he's only a rent-a-player. but the defense in CF wasnt ever really a liability before rowand.
what the phils got in rowand, was youth and stability. he's not willie mays. he is no savior, but he is a solid player. like i have said, the thome trade has the potential to help the phils much longer than it will help the chisox esp the pitchers the phils got (that is until rowands contract ends after next season and he goes to the yankees).
that said, it wasnt this huge upgrade over the platoon of lofton/michaels last season. the production was simply being replaced.
there is no where on this roster that can be considered an upgrade on paper over last season.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 11:26:15 AM
it's a defensive upgrade. offensively, it's an even swap.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 11:38:06 AM
there is no where on this roster that can be considered an upgrade on paper over last season.
If it was a swap offensively, and an upgrade defensively...um...that kind of makes it an UPGRADE overall. ::)
Rollins - not patient enough to be a reliable leadoff hitter in general, but thankfully he's hitting the ball well
what constitutes reliable for ya...3-4 every game? 4th in the league in hits so far.... and looks 5x's more comfortabe with a more level swing and his stance deeper in the box. Like what hes doing and will be very reliable this year IMO
the point is while it may or may not be a marginal upgrade at the position...it doesnt make the team better in terms of wins and losses...you dont now see aaron rowand in centerfield and say now thats a playoff team...in fact thome/michaels gives them more wins this year than rowand/howard
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 11, 2006, 11:39:52 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 11:26:15 AM
it's a defensive upgrade. offensively, it's an even swap.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 11, 2006, 11:38:06 AM
there is no where on this roster that can be considered an upgrade on paper over last season.
If it was a swap offensively, and an upgrade defensively...um...that kind of makes it an UPGRADE overall. ::)
ok...so rowand will catch 2 more balls in the outfield that werent going to be caught before. whoopidie do.
that
so makes up for the pitching staff, the stiff at 3B, the post rigormortis corpse at catcher, and the totally inept hitting with RISP.
he's definitely not putting the ball in the air as much, with exception to one game, and that was the game his streak stopped (no coincidence there)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2006, 11:44:56 AM
the point is while it may or may not be a marginal upgrade at the position...it doesnt make the team better in terms of wins and losses...you dont now see aaron rowand in centerfield and say now thats a playoff team...in fact thome/michaels gives them more wins this year than rowand/howard
but i don't think it's about this year. cuz said this on Sports Final and I agree, Gillick is looking towards '07. he loses the contracts of Lieberthal, Bell and Wolf.
that doesn't mean they can't do anything this year, but Rowand/Howard/Madson/Floyd(meh) are all about the future
Quote from: reese125 on April 11, 2006, 11:44:22 AM
Rollins - not patient enough to be a reliable leadoff hitter in general, but thankfully he's hitting the ball well
what constitutes reliable for ya...3-4 every game? 4th in the league in hits so far.... and looks 5x's more comfortabe with a more level swing and his stance deeper in the box. Like what hes doing and will be very reliable this year IMO
The problem is that the hot bat will come and go, but will he get on base (ie: walk) enough to offset the inevitable slumps? No, he will not.
but i don't think it's about this year
totally agree...which is why you make the thome trade even tho it hurts the team this year...pg was saying the team is better this year than last with rowand being one of the reasons
gillick has a plan and its for more than one year...which is another reason you can live with throwing this season out the window...because with gillick theres finally hope for the future
Naturally, we are assuming Gillick will live long enough to make these moves, though.
ha, nice.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2006, 11:50:10 AM
but i don't think it's about this year
totally agree...which is why you make the thome trade even tho it hurts the team this year...pg was saying the team is better this year than last with rowand being one of the reasons
gillick has a plan and its for more than one year...which is another reason you can live with throwing this season out the window...because with gillick theres finally hope for the future
for the first time, i agree with an entire post of yours.
actually, this team
needs cole hamels to work out. i saw him at reading last season with my dad.
seeing hamels pitch in person, until you do, you have no idea how good this kid is. hamels, if he stays healthy and stays sane, he will be amazing. my dad says he looks better than carlton did at the same spot in his career.
then his destiny is to be a oft-injured, what could have been, this is Philadelphia we are talking about.
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ALL IS WELL!
some stats for you all, to help with the pain...
Opposing pitchers are hitting .353 (6 for 17) with five RBIs out of the ninth spot in the lineup against the Phils.
Opponents No. 7 through No. 9 hitters are hitting .370 (30-for-81) with 16 RBI against the Phillies. 1-6 are @ .250.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 11, 2006, 03:04:10 PM
some stats for you all, to help with the pain...
Opposing pitchers are hitting .353 (6 for 17) with five RBIs out of the ninth spot in the lineup against the Phils.
Opponents No. 7 through No. 9 hitters are hitting .370 (30-for-81) with 16 RBI against the Phillies. 1-6 are @ .250.
So you're saying that the Phils are 2/3 of the way there! :D
In the 2nd inning, Lieberthal gets the clutch 2-out 2-run double with runners on the corners. Nice!
Oh, and Burrell started and ended the inning with outs. Way to go, "Pat the bat".
Pat hits a solo HR to extend the lead to 7-4 after Rowands 2R shot made it 6-4.
And now Geoff Geary and the fabulous Rheal Cormier are trying to let the Braves back in it. Cormier is still warming up and hasn't given up anything......yet.
If this keeps up we will be out of the Basement! Woohoo!!!!!!11
Like I said...Rheal goddamn zesty would give something up.
He gives up a 2R double.
AND ONCE AGAIN THE DAMAGE IS DONE WITH TWO MOTHERFARGING OUTS!!!!
JESUS H. CHRIST! >:(
And Flash Gordon comes in to close it out in the bottom of the 9th.
Phillies win 7-5.
2-6, baby!!!
And it takes 8 games for the Phils to have a SP get a victory as Lidle wins his 1st.
Woo-hoo! Up to .250 baseball!
Gordon had nasty stuff in the 9th. Only 84 wins away from our goal.
We're out of last place! :D
Didnt see much of the game, but hey, a win is a win.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 12, 2006, 11:21:39 PM
Gordon had nasty stuff in the 9th. Only 84 wins away from our goal.
I can't believe he can still throw 95 mph. He looked pretty damn good, at least for one game.
world series. ready.
Jimmy = lead off HR
Rowan doubles to RF
Bobby A goes deep to LF for a 2R HR
3-0 Phils w/ 0 outs in the t1st.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2006, 07:42:50 PM
Jimmy = lead off HR
Rowan doubles to RF
Bobby A goes deep to LF for a 2R HR
3-0 Phils w/ 0 outs in the t1st.
I'm in utter shock.
Burrell singles
and CHASE GOES YARD TO DEAD CENTER!
5-0 w/ 0 outs!!
I can't believe it.
We have an offense?
floyd's pitching, they need a 10 run cushion.
Holy shtein! The game is on TBS down here in Virginia! Sweetness! Now that I am watching, they can blow a four run lead. This the best day 3vAr!
even with floyd giving up 1 run in the first...he lowered his era.
way to go uncle floyd! :yay
And the 2-34 Francouer goes deep off of Gavin
5-2 now
Quote from: Wingspan on April 13, 2006, 08:02:50 PM
even with floyd giving up 1 run in the first...he lowered his era.
way to go uncle floyd! :yay
That run was Howard's fault but oh well. Floyd just gave up a HR to Francouer so now its 5-2.
Floyd's curveball is fargin sweet tonight. He's snapping those bitches off nicely.
But he needs to locate his fastball. If he does that, he'll be alright.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2006, 08:15:27 PM
Floyd's curveball is fargin sweet tonight. He's snapping those bitches off nicely.
Curve looks great, definitely the difference between this start and his last.
Thome with 6 HRs already this season.
the bats are flying 2night...look out
Utley with his second HR of the night. 6-3 Bums.
Every time the games slows down and I switch over to Fight Night 3 real quick to beat some ass I miss a farging dinger. No more 360 tonight....
Whells :boom
i like fasanos fire behind the plate. can't wait till we have a real catcher.
they'll take this.. halfway to .500. whewwww!!
WTG Ryan Franklin. ::)
time to bring in wagner...
...oh wait....
Francouer with another HR. He's killing us this series. 7-6. Franklin served one up for him.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 13, 2006, 10:03:33 PM
WTG Ryan Franklin. ::)
Looks like RF's setting the ball up on a tee for them. He's got nothing tonight.
$2.5 mil for Franklin, remember. I trust Gillick, but that was an awful signing. Everyone knew it right off the bat.
Phils win 7-6, of course they made it difficult.
i never heard about him until they signed him.
i never want to hear about him again.
you do have to give them props for at least recognizing he's not a starter.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 13, 2006, 10:25:17 PM
i never heard about him until they signed him.
i never want to hear about him again.
you do have to give them props for at least recognizing he's not a starter.
He tested positive for steroids.
what is that, 4-6? next up the rockies. those series are always crazy. better bring the bats. and not let franklin throw one of his hanging curves, or pitch for that matter.
Quote from: MDS on April 13, 2006, 10:29:39 PM
what is that, 4-6? next up the rockies. those series are always crazy. better bring the bats. and not let franklin throw one of his hanging curves, or pitch for that matter.
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world series.
I have to admit... I actually watched them not choke this game away (but come damn close), and it was inspiring that they ended up actually hanging on to the win.
And Sal Fasano looks like "The Duke" from Major League. Too bad he doesn't hit like him.
Minor league note: Clearwater just took the lead 4-3 in the 20th inning. Costanzo is 1-for-9 with 4 Ks
For those that haven't followed the minor teams yet, Hamels and Gonzalez are dominating so far....
cole hamels, world series mvp.
Lakewood is 0-8 and already talking about coaching changes...
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 14, 2006, 12:49:28 AM
Lakewood is 0-8 and already talking about coaching changes...
For those that care:
Field Staff
Manager: P.J. Forbes
Hitting Coach: J.P. Roberge
Pitching Coach: Steve Schrenk
If this was 2005, yeah.... :P
Manager = Dave Huppert (basically kicked off the Washington Nationals at the end of last year)
Hitting Coach = Kenny Dominguez (was a coach in Clearwater last year...one of the worst minor league teams in history)
Pitching Coach = Schrenk
One of the main problems is that their best player Greg Golson, who isn't hitting at all, won't listen to anyone criticizing his batting stance....
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 14, 2006, 07:38:34 AM
If this was 2005, yeah.... :P
Manager = Dave Huppert (basically kicked off the Washington Nationals at the end of last year)
Hitting Coach = Kenny Dominguez (was a coach in Clearwater last year...one of the worst minor league teams in history)
Pitching Coach = Schrenk
One of the main problems is that their best player Greg Golson, who isn't hitting at all, won't listen to anyone criticizing his batting stance....
Well, forgive me for believing minorleaguebaseball.com (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/clubs/ip_index.jsp?cid=t427&mc=info).
And Sal Fasano looks like "The Duke" from Major League
sal fasano without a mustache
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Quote from: BigEd76 on April 14, 2006, 07:38:34 AM
One of the main problems is that their best player Greg Golson, who isn't hitting at all, won't listen to anyone criticizing his batting stance....
That's a sign of future greatness when a kid in low-A is uncoachable.
By the way, in looking at the Threshers site (since they beat my Ft. Myers Miracle in 20 innings last night), I see that old Greg Gross is the hitting coach there.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 14, 2006, 08:02:43 AMThat's a sign of future greatness when a kid in low-A is uncoachable.
Even better when it's a #1 pick...
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 14, 2006, 08:02:43 AM
By the way, in looking at the Threshers site (since they beat my Ft. Myers Miracle in 20 innings last night), I see that old Greg Gross is the hitting coach there.
then i agree with him not listening to advice
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2006, 07:55:21 AM
And Sal Fasano looks like "The Duke" from Major League
sal fasano without a mustache
(http://www.thequarter.org/issue12/VincentSchiavelli.jpg)
That and the Aj Hawk ones are dead on.
And Fasano does look like "Hey meat, how's your wife and my kids" from Major League with the curls and the fumanchu though.
And no one should listen to Greg Gross. He blows.
Ryan Madson on the mound tonight against the surprising Rockies.
i DVR'd the game and just watched the 1st inning, Charlie genius lineup strikes again. Howard gets intentionally walked to load the bases for Bell, not Nunez, and of course he doesn't get a hit.
farg Bell
farg charlie
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 14, 2006, 10:30:11 PM
i DVR'd the game and just watched the 1st inning, Charlie genius lineup strikes again. Howard gets intentionally walked to load the bases for Bell, not Nunez, and of course he doesn't get a hit.
farg Bell
farg charlie
Yep, that lineup is really preventing the Phils from scoring runs tonight... ;)
Madson must be doing roids. 3-3!
So is Chase 4 hr's in 2 games.
Is there any way to get David Bell to sub in for David Blaine's next magic trick in New York?
As of right now, the highest batting average among the regulars belongs to...
Mike Lieberthal (.346)
Howard is .343
Rollins is .341
Rowand is .324
Abreu is .316
Burrell is .286
Utley is .282
Bell is .200 :boom
Heck, right now Madsen is hitting .600 :-D
Santana makes it interesting in the ninth. :boom
10-7, Rhodes in to try to close it out.
Baserunning error by Jason Smith seals the game for the Phils. He got himself thrown out at 3rd on Miguel Ojeda's pinch-hit single. Otherwise, Cory Sullivan bats as the potential winning run.
Phillies 10, Rockies 8
Madsen gets the win (1-0).
Tom Gordon gets a shaky save. (#3)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 14, 2006, 10:30:11 PM
i DVR'd the game and just watched the 1st inning, Charlie genius lineup strikes again. Howard gets intentionally walked to load the bases for Bell, not Nunez, and of course he doesn't get a hit.
farg Bell
farg charlie
Howard is in a power funk anyways. And until he gets his swing right he will not drive the ball. It looks like he is standing a little bit more off the plate than he has in the past and pitchers are busting him outside and with offspeed junk. He's making contact and has a good average and all, but he looked bad on some swings lately.
Would him hitting 5th change that if Rowand was hitting 6th? How else would you construct the line-up without bunching too many LH's together and without removing Utley and Abreu from RBI spots?
Our only hope is that Bell's back goes out and he has to go on the DL. Seriously.
Rollins
Utley
Abreu
Burrell
Howard
Rowand
Bell
Lieberthal
That is about as close as you can get to a lineup that is somewhat balanced and not too far fetched, IMO. But with Utley in the 2-hole is that taking away runs from the team?
Rollins
Nunez
Abreu
Burrell
Utley
Howard
Rowand
Lieberthal/ Sal
That is how I would like to see it. I like Rowand in the 7th hole because he eliminates the "Black Hole" in the 7-8-9 spots that is there when Bell hits 7th and Lieby is 8th.
The problem here is twofold; first problem is Bell and Lieby. Second problem is that most of your best hitters are Abreu, Utley and Howard are LH. So you are limited to where you can put them. If you have them too bunched up then LHP's from the BP would eat them up.
Nice job by Julio Santana tonight. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too interesting of a game in the end. Great job by Victorino. He has now gunned 2 players out in a limited role.
I was out for a bit, came back the room to a 10-4 score in the 8th. I left and 30 minutes later wound up in a bar on campus, and I saw Gordon pitching on TV. God damn Phillies never make it easy, do they.
4-6, a win is a win. a win is a win. a win is a win.
Did you hear the line Wheels had tonight?
I was dying!
The Phils have this stuffed monkey in a Phils uniform hanging in the dugout. I guess they started putting it up last night in ATL.
Anyways -- they come back from a break and they show a pic of the monkey hanging there. And Wheels says "Boy, that monkey has some long balls.....in him tonight".
He paused after the balls and knew what he just said and Scott Graham tried to pretend like he didn't say it, but Wheels knew it.
Wheels loves long ballsacks.
haha i saw that over philliesphans. that guy is seriously awsome now. like i couldnt care less that hes not informative or that he acts like a funhole. hes become a characture of himself and its entertaining to listen to him say idiotic things and constantley quote things directly out of his very own glossary.
:-D yeah I heard that Phreak. classic.
On MinorLeagueBaseball.com (http://www.milb.com), in the upper left corner (Multimedia), there's video of Gio Gonzalez getting out of a 1-out bases loaded jam. Good stuff....
Lieber 0-3 :boo
i hate it when a pitcher comes in to face one batter, does great, and then they bring in someone else because they throw with the opposite arm. Rheal blows away HELTON, he is removed from the game, Geary comes in and screws everything up.
so after 2 weeks, we can stack the bullpen up like this:
sucks
geary
santana
franklin
useable, but not reliable
cormier
fultz
seemingly reliable, but not lights out
rhodes
gordon
Basically, yeah.
Nice collection of stiffs we have, eh?
Although I would take Franklin out of the sucks category and put him in the "wait and see" category.
Oh well. Brett Myers mows 'em down today anyways and we take 2/3.
i think Charlie left Lieber in for 2 too many hitters last night. IMO, you don't let the starter wreck his win like that, when you see he's struggling, like Lieber was that inning, you come get him while he still has a chance to win the game.
Lieber had back to back 1-2-3 innings before the 7th inning blow up. He was at under 80 pitches. He never should have come out. He was pitching fine, then after 1 out in the 7th, blew up. By the time Charlie got people up (no reason to given the way Lieber was pitching) and ready to come in, a run was on the board. The focus of the blame should be on Geary and Manuel's decision to use Geary.
Franklin has only had the one blow up, but given his track record and the fact that 90% of his outs are deep fly balls that are probably homers in warm weather, I'd say he sucks.
I assume Nunez will get a start today, or at least he should. Myers has been unimpressive in his first two starts. Time to pick it up, you little bitch.
myers throws 7 2/3 scoreless, howard hits a homer for the only run of the game. phils 5-7 and take 2 out of 3 from the rockies.
They won 1-0 at Coors Field?
Wierd.
Quote from: MDS on April 16, 2006, 11:37:41 AMI assume Nunez will get a start today, or at least he should. Myers has been unimpressive in his first two starts. Time to pick it up, you little bitch.
He did, and he did.
That was the first time in Rockies history a visiting team won at Coors field 1-0. Myers is now 5-0 vs. the Rockies.
7-2/3 shutout innings at Coors field. :yay
And so far, so good with Old Man Gordon. 4 saves.
World Series, I'm tellin' youse.
They won 1-0 at Coors Field?
Wierd.
for real
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 04:07:00 AM
Oh well. Brett Myers mows 'em down today anyways and we take 2/3.
He did and they did.
Now the creampuff Nats and Fish come in. MUST win 4/6. MUST.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 04:07:00 AM
Oh well. Brett Myers mows 'em down today anyways and we take 2/3.
He did and they did.
Now the creampuff Nats and Fish come in. MUST win 4/6. MUST.
Must win 4/6 in April? Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm.
Quote from: Philly_Crew on April 17, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 04:07:00 AM
Oh well. Brett Myers mows 'em down today anyways and we take 2/3.
He did and they did.
Now the creampuff Nats and Fish come in. MUST win 4/6. MUST.
Must win 4/6 in April? Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm.
if it is the goal to compete (legitimately) in septebmer and godforbid october...it's essential to come out of april above .500
Jimmy Rollins hit streak actually still going strong! (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47433)
Quote from: Wingspan on April 17, 2006, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on April 17, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 04:07:00 AM
Oh well. Brett Myers mows 'em down today anyways and we take 2/3.
He did and they did.
Now the creampuff Nats and Fish come in. MUST win 4/6. MUST.
Must win 4/6 in April? Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm.
if it is the goal to compete (legitimately) in septebmer and godforbid october...it's essential to come out of april above .500
I'm fairly certain the Astros had a pretty good year last year after a start far worse than this. While I agree that it is important to take at least 4 of the next 6 games, nothing at this moment qualifies as a 'must' win.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 17, 2006, 06:21:08 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 17, 2006, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on April 17, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 04:07:00 AM
Oh well. Brett Myers mows 'em down today anyways and we take 2/3.
He did and they did.
Now the creampuff Nats and Fish come in. MUST win 4/6. MUST.
Must win 4/6 in April? Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm.
if it is the goal to compete (legitimately) in septebmer and godforbid october...it's essential to come out of april above .500
I'm fairly certain the Astros had a pretty good year last year after a start far worse than this. While I agree that it is important to take at least 4 of the next 6 games, nothing at this moment qualifies as a 'must' win.
You don't understand. Phreak has kidnapped Pat Gillick's children, and has threatened to leave them in the clutches of Sarge and Hbionic unless the Phils win at least four of their next six games.
They MUST WIN. Or else.
I think what Phreak is getting at is that the Nats and Marlins figure to be two of the bottom feeders of the league this year. It ain't about keeping pace with anyone... or getting out of a hole. It's about using these two as a measuring stick as to how the Phillies stack up.
If they lose 2 out of 3 to both... that would be worrysome. If they take 4/5 out of 6, then you feel better about where the team is.
It's TCOB. They best do it when bad teams come into the Cit. Playoff teams do.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 17, 2006, 06:21:08 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 17, 2006, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on April 17, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2006, 04:07:00 AM
Oh well. Brett Myers mows 'em down today anyways and we take 2/3.
He did and they did.
Now the creampuff Nats and Fish come in. MUST win 4/6. MUST.
Must win 4/6 in April? Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm.
if it is the goal to compete (legitimately) in septebmer and godforbid october...it's essential to come out of april above .500
I'm fairly certain the Astros had a pretty good year last year after a start far worse than this. While I agree that it is important to take at least 4 of the next 6 games, nothing at this moment qualifies as a 'must' win.
if the phils pitchers could even sniff the shoelaces of the astros pitchers...i would agree.
but the phils will struggle because of pitching and relying on the HR too much, and that makes ever series important, even in april
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 05:36:52 PM
Jimmy Rollins hit streak actually still going strong! (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47433)
too bad consistency is the name of the game. hopefully he keeps it up, he actually looks like a lead off hitter this year.
Rollins swing is looking special this year.....I think this will be a career yr for him
Quote from: reese125 on April 17, 2006, 10:50:18 PM
Rollins swing is looking special this year.....I think this will be a career yr for him
If he keeps it up and hits .350 this year, is there a better all around SS in the league?
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 17, 2006, 07:12:23 PM
I think what Phreak is getting at is that the Nats and Marlins figure to be two of the bottom feeders of the league this year. It ain't about keeping pace with anyone... or getting out of a hole. It's about using these two as a measuring stick as to how the Phillies stack up.
If they lose 2 out of 3 to both... that would be worrysome. If they take 4/5 out of 6, then you feel better about where the team is.
Thanks, you got what I was saying.
The Phils have to clean up on these fools. Matter of fact, they have to clean up for the next 15 games.
Bill Dancy strikes again in 2006.
He sends JRoll on a Rowand double to LF.
I can only assume that he wanted to test Soriano's arm.
But still..YOU DO NOT MAKE THE 1st OUT AT 3rd or HOME!
Bill Dancy = garbage.
And instead of a potential big inning, they get nothing.
They would've had Rollins on 3rd and Rowand on 2nd with 0 outs.
Great job, Dancy, you farg.
Dynamite, just dynamite.
Then Daryl Ward (wtf hes hitting cleanup?) hits a homer.
farg@!!!
And now Daryle Ward goes yard on the first ptch of the 2nd.
1-0 Nats
What the farg is this shtein?
The farging twilight zone night?
Zimmerman almost goes yard on a broken bat drive. Last year it was gone.
Then Bell fields a ground ball from Chruch. He has to wait for Howard to get to the bag and then Howard drops the ball!! But thankfully Church rounded the bag and they got him in a run down and got him out.
Then Royce Clayton drives one over Rowands head that would've scored Church.
Wake up, iceholes!!!! Play the goddamn game.
I heard that Vince Lombardi quote from NFL films running through my head the last two half innings..
What the hell is going on out there?!?
Phreak, take it easy buddy....we'll be ok.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2006, 07:27:24 PM
I heard that Vince Lombardi quote from NFL films running through my head the last two half innings..
What the hell is going on out there?!?
I posted that exact line on Philliesphans after that. I think its safe to see we both have watch far too much old NFL Films videos.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2006, 07:27:24 PM
I heard that Vince Lombardi quote from NFL films running through my head the last two half innings..
What the hell is going on out there?!?
(http://www.soakingwetchild.net/thebadnewsbears/tannerkick.jpg)
now if Lieberthal can get those doubles when it truly counts....he will be put on my buddy list. Nice job with 5 doubles though...impressive so far
And the Nats announcers just made the obligatory Philly fans booed Santa Claus reference.
What a shot by Burrell. Its now 4-3. Frank Robinson had that 'Kill Whitey' look on his face while Burrell was rounding the bases.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 18, 2006, 08:12:47 PM
What a shot by Burrell. Its now 4-3. Frank Robinson had that 'Kill Whitey' look on his face while Burrell was rounding the bases.
Frank Robinson ALWAYS has the "kill whitey" look.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 18, 2006, 08:13:25 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 18, 2006, 08:12:47 PM
What a shot by Burrell. Its now 4-3. Frank Robinson had that 'Kill Whitey' look on his face while Burrell was rounding the bases.
Frank Robinson ALWAYS has the "kill whitey" look.
No, you're confusing the 'Hate Whitey' look he always has with the 'Kill Whitey' look he has when he's pissed. There's a definite difference.
If Bell hits into another DP tonight I'm driving down to CBP after the game to run him over with my truck.
Do it. Do it and take Chris Wheeler's carcass for a ride too. That icehole has the balls to praise Bell for stopping a throw from the OF when the punkass bitch has hit into 2 DP's tonight. And Wheels sucks his cack for stopping a goddamn throw!!
Where's a pic of the constructions workers saying "These guys fargin suck" from Major League? Big time appropriate here.
Someone tell Howard its OK to drive in runs. And to stop trying to pull the farging outside pitches. They're busting you away, Howard. Take the ball to the opposite field. And now he K's.
After Utley dribbles a ball to the P and Burrell K's.
Jesus farg. farging bums,
Bell is awful. Dancy is awful. The bullpen (besides Gordon) is awful. They can't score more than 3 runs a game at home.
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Geoff Geary eats ass too. Farging weasel looking sonofabitch.
Hey iceholes....score some motherfargin runs! >:(
Look at this on the brightside, our farm system is pretty empty when it comes to position player prospects and our organization babies our pitchers!!
haha geary is farging awful
AND GEOFF GEARY GIVES UP A GODDAMN GRANDSLAM.
FARG THESE FARGING LOSERS.
FARG EM.
BUMS!
I blame Bowa.
This shtein is honestly painful to watch.
No offense....again.
No bullpen pitchers worth a shtein (except for Flash)
Bell somehow continues to play every goddamn night.
Why must I be a Phillies fan? WHY?!?
And the same farging McDonalds commercial again.
I think my boss has a crush on John....
Dellucci now 2-2 in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and no one on
Bums.
Phillies get blown the farg out? Check.
Flyers don't get the playoff matchup they wanted? Check.
Sixers drama? Check.
Great night in Philadelphia sports, y'all.
Good farging night.
we dont win titles so this is our fun
Geary blows, I had the TV muted while I was studying, look up and its 10-3. What a farging bum, he shouldn't be in the majors. The rest of the team had a lackadasical effort too.
think its funny how nobody mentioned Abreu not diving for that fly ball that scored 2 runs in the top of the 4th. Hysterical he couldnt dive for a ball 3 ft away but can steal 30+ bases a year. That ball was by far playable
I dont care what good plays he makes. Its the inexcusable, heartless, dont want to get a scratch on my elbow ones that causes runs and contributes to the loss. One word...lazy.
Fire away Bobby lovers
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2006, 07:15:37 PM
Bill Dancy strikes again in 2006.
He sends JRoll on a Rowand double to LF.
I can only assume that he wanted to test Soriano's arm.
But still..YOU DO NOT MAKE THE 1st OUT AT 3rd or HOME!
Bill Dancy = garbage.
i thought that was you dont make the 1st or 3rd out at 3rd?
the news showed abreu getting turned around on a hit that lead to no runs...
hear comes the hater brigade. squak!
Quote from: Wingspan on April 18, 2006, 11:17:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2006, 07:15:37 PM
Bill Dancy strikes again in 2006.
He sends JRoll on a Rowand double to LF.
I can only assume that he wanted to test Soriano's arm.
But still..YOU DO NOT MAKE THE 1st OUT AT 3rd or HOME!
Bill Dancy = garbage.
i thought that was you dont make the 1st or 3rd out at 3rd?
Problem with the first inning was that Rollins was out by a fair amount. Not sent, the Phils had runners at 2nd and 3rd with Abreu-Burrell-Utley coming up with no outs. As it was... well, you know what happened.
I'm not terribly upset about that play in an of itself- rather Dancy be occasionally too aggressive than not aggressive enough, especially with Rollins running. Last night, it was just the beginning of a poorly played game by the entire team. Offensively, defensively, pitching, managerially, the Phils just did not have it last night. Lousy game altogether.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 18, 2006, 11:19:45 PM
the news showed abreu getting turned around on a hit that lead to no runs...
hear comes the hater brigade. squak!
QuoteThey were very hard balls, but I don't want to make any excuses," said Abreu. "I screwed up there and probably cost us the game."
i guess Bobby is a Bobby hater? he admits he blew it, but i'm sure that's not enough for you.
again abreu is the best player on the team...now that doesnt say great things about bobby so much as it shows how bad the phillies are
but do we really need full threads on every homer he hits and every error he makes...ive never seen anything like the back n forth over such an inconsequential player like him...color me confused
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 19, 2006, 08:44:49 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 18, 2006, 11:19:45 PM
the news showed abreu getting turned around on a hit that lead to no runs...
hear comes the hater brigade. squak!
QuoteThey were very hard balls, but I don't want to make any excuses," said Abreu. "I screwed up there and probably cost us the game."
i guess Bobby is a Bobby hater? he admits he blew it, but i'm sure that's not enough for you.
again, you miss the point. yeah, he farged up. but that means the haters come on out and say "wah...he sucks...it's all his fault...lazy bum"
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2006, 08:49:17 AM
but do we really need full threads on every homer he hits and every error he makes...ive never seen anything like the back n forth over such an inconsequential player like him...color me confused
it comes from the fact that his supporters are so misguided in their assessment of his play that it makes people like me, who actually understand the game, attack.
imagine if there were a group of people who kept telling you that Jeremiah Trotter was on the same level as Mike Singletary. wouldn't that force you to point out why Trotter isn't in the same class as Singletary?
id say his haters are equally delusional about him
ive honestly never ever heard anyone say hes way better than he really is but i hear all the time about how bad a player he is
his supporters seem to be more defending him against the utter hate that his detractors spew rather than ever saying how great a player he is
i mean as much as you hate him can you disagree that hes one of the two best players on the team....that alone has to tell you he isnt as bad as you say...that and his excellent numbers
Quotehis supporters seem to be more defending him against the utter hate that his detractors spew rather than ever saying how great a player he is
well, that may be true 90% of the time, but not for me. i can remember the 1st time when i was talking to somebody who told me that Abreu was as good as Barry and Bobby Bonds just because he was in some stupid stat category together. that set me off, and have put me on the offensive ever since. Like Caine from "Kung Fu", i'ma gonna walk the earf.
yeah if i ever heard someone use abreu and bonds in the same sentance id immediately bust them in their snot box
that's my IGY
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2006, 09:40:19 AM
yeah if i ever heard someone use abreu and bonds in the same sentance id immediately bust them in their snot box
Bobby Abreu and Barry Bonds have both been suspected of using steriods.
Go on, I dare you! :D
wait a minute? bobby sucks at defense. wow. i never knew that.
bonds has won 9 or 10 gold gloves...early mid 90's if i remember right
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Anyone watching?
Church had dinger off Floyd in the top of the second. 1-0
Utley bunts for a single.
Howard ding a two run shot to left-center 2-1 Phils in the bottom of the second.
Dumbass announcers on MASN talking about a zesty town to play baseball in. Booed Schmidt into the hall of fame, etc.. Mention the Sixers game with AI and CWebb not showing to "appreciate the fans that probably don't appreciatte them..." iceholes.
Sal Fasano in after Howard with a stand-up double off the wall.
Yeah I'm watching. I really thought that ball was out by Fasano.
I have to say that Sal's outfield crew might be the best CBP has seen.
Bunch of guys with Le 'ole Dirty Sanchez?? If you say so.....
Yeah, it is pretty funny. farg Lieberthal!
Ha.
National's pitcher, Livan Hernandez, just goes yard to left.....almost upper deck. Tie game, top of third.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 19, 2006, 07:32:28 PM
Dumbass announcers on MASN talking about a zesty town to play baseball in. Booed Schmidt into the hall of fame, etc.. Mention the Sixers game with AI and CWebb not showing to "appreciate the fans that probably don't appreciatte them..." iceholes.
you hear how abreu is treated? you hear how people want iverson out...
philly fans embarass me.
the announcers are right
David Bell hit an opposite field HR.
Obviously an accident on his part.
And yes, you were right wing.
You never make the 1st or last out at 3B.
But that also applies to making the 1st out at 3rd or home. Because if you have a guy on 3rd with 0 outs then the chances are high that he'll score in some way. Ignore the fact the Phils usually blow those chances...
the phils could find away to bat around and not score
Livan doubles to LF.
And it was a groundrule double because a fan fielded it.
Hey morons with tickets along the field...are you guys idiots? How many times do you have to see someone get thrown out before you understand the rule? And how many times do you have to see your team get hurt by a dumbass touching a ball in play?
That idiot deserves to be kicked out. Not only because he looks like a tool but because they tell you 45 times before the game to not touch balls in play.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2006, 08:11:06 PM
Livan doubles to LF.
That idiot deserves to be kicked repeatedly. Not only because he looks like a tool but because they tell you 45 times before the game to not touch balls in play.
:yay
i hate the phillies
And the Nasty Nats get two more.
Great catch on the Vidro popup, Sal. Effin dooshbag.
Come on, Howard!
Blah.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 19, 2006, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 19, 2006, 07:32:28 PM
Dumbass announcers on MASN talking about a zesty town to play baseball in. Booed Schmidt into the hall of fame, etc.. Mention the Sixers game with AI and CWebb not showing to "appreciate the fans that probably don't appreciatte them..." iceholes.
you hear how abreu is treated? you hear how people want iverson out...
philly fans embarass me.
the announcers are right
Scenario 1 tonight: Abreu makes a good attempt to catch a foul ball that was right by the stands. He slides for it and didn't get it. The fans boo.
Sveanrio 2 tonight: Sal Fasano drops a popup behind the plate that would've been an out. The next pitch gets hit to RF and allows a run to score. The fans cheer Sal after he drops the ball.
Fasano should be hanged, drawn and quartered for dropping that popup.
Livan now 3-3 with a HR and two doubles.
Yes, he doubled again to lead off the goddamn inning.
I know he's a good hitting pitcher, but jesus f'ing christ!!!!! >:(
Edit - WITH AN 0-2 COUNT!
Another f'ing edit - and now Sorino singles and they have 1st and 3rd with 0 outs.
FARG. :boo
Soriano was out at 2nd, not that it matters.
Nice.
a 2R single off of Fultz by Vidro.
Livan has scored 3 runs.
Nats have 10 hits tonight after pounding out 15 last night.
6-3 Washington with 0 outs in the top of the 7th.
Farg these farging losers. Farg em. Goddamn bums.
Yeah....not twenty games into the season.....and I am already tired of the Phils. Something in the water in Philly, because it makes me sick to watch....but I can't change the channel......ever. I'm going to watch the Flyers get owned in the playoffs too. Every minute of it.
No hitting, the bullpen eats nuts and the team is lifeless.
Yay.
Goodnight.
I hope they make a comeback but that would require them to hit the ball and to stop Livan effing Hernandez and Jose Vidro from killing them offensively as well. Too much to ask.
5-9 here we come.
Seventh inning consensus question:
Right now, as things stand, in a series of eight straight games (four home, four away) against the Kansas City Royals, how many games do the Phils win?
I say 5.
loses.
At least they're showing some life.
Lieberthal leads off the 9th- all is well!
10th inning
Abreu walk
Utley walk
Howard base hit to right
Phils win :yay
Hey, not a pretty win, but a win nevertheless. Clutch hit by Howard. :yay
Can make it 2 of 3 behind Madsen tomorrow night.
Uhhhh I'll take it. Comeback cats.
what are the pitchers batting stats against the PHillies this year? Probably better than some of the PHillies stats themselves.
also.. how many fargin HR's has Livan given up this year? dude is like Milton.
looked it up. 9 HR's in 4 starts. yowza.
Quote from: MURP on April 19, 2006, 10:44:59 PM
looked it up. 9 HR's in 4 starts. yowza.
It isn't so much the total number that's scary. What's scary is that one of them was to David Bell. Opposite field.
wow. just wow.
in real worthless Phillies news... the draft
First Round
1. Kansas City Royals
2. Colorado Rockies
3. Tampa Bay Devil Rays
4. Pittsburgh Pirates
5. Seattle Mariners
6. Detroit Tigers
7. Los Angeles Dodgers
8. Cincinnati Reds
9. Baltimore Orioles
10. San Francisco Giants
11. Arizona Diamondbacks
12. Texas Rangers
13. Chicago Cubs
14. Toronto Blue Jays
15. Washington Nationals
16. Milwaukee Brewers
17. San Diego Padres
18. Philadelphia Phillies (from NYM for Billy Wagner)
19. Florida Marlins
20. Minnesota Twins
21. New York Yankees (from Philadelphia for Tom Gordon)
22. Washington Nationals (from Oakland for Esteban Loaiza)
23. Houston Astros
24. Atlanta Braves
25. Los Angeles Angels (from Cleveland for Paul Byrd)
26. Los Angeles Dodgers (from L.A. Angels for Jeff Weaver)
27. Boston Red Sox
28. Boston Red Sox (from N.Y. Yankees for Johnny Damon)
29. Chicago White Sox
30. St. Louis Cardinals
Sandwich Picks for Type A Players
31. Los Angeles Dodgers (Jeff Weaver)
32. Baltimore Orioles (B.J. Ryan)
33. San Francisco Giants (Scott Eyre)
34. Arizona Diamondbacks (Tim Worrell)
35. San Diego Padres (Ramon Hernandez)
36. Florida Marlins (A.J. Burnett)
37. Philadelphia Phillies (Billy Wagner)
38. Atlanta Braves (Kyle Farnsworth)
39. Cleveland Indians (Bob Howry)
40. Boston Red Sox (Johnny Damon)
41. New York Yankees (Tom Gordon)
42. St. Louis Cardinals (Matt Morris)
43. Atlanta Braves (Rafael Furcal)
44. Boston Red Sox (Bill Mueller)
They can draft two more pitchers that will not see the light of the majors for seven years! :D
I don't understand why teams have to "pay" other teams 1st round picks to sign FREE AGENTS?
Baseball is screwy.
i love reading this thread after a game has occured. the range of emotions are funny, after the fact.
Fasano should be hanged, drawn and quartered for dropping that popup.
but...but....hes better than lieberthal and should be starting EVERY game
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 08:09:12 AM
Fasano should be hanged, drawn and quartered for dropping that popup.
but...but....hes better than lieberthal and should be starting EVERY game
he's a better catcher, that play aside.
but Lieberthal's offense is clearly superieor right now, that creates a dilemma.
sal fasano probably should have been out of baseball a long time ago...lieberthal while grossly overpaid is a decent all around mlb catcher...they arent even on the same planet as far as baseball players
you don't need athletic ability to be a great catcher, you have to have an understanding of what it takes to get guys out, how to handle pitchers. mike lieberthal will never have that. Sal Fasano has that. so when you have Lieberthal in the game, you will lose something on the mound, and when you have Fasano in, you will lose something in the lineup. it depends what you value more.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 20, 2006, 08:11:26 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 08:09:12 AM
Fasano should be hanged, drawn and quartered for dropping that popup.
but...but....hes better than lieberthal and should be starting EVERY game
he's a better catcher, that play aside.
no, he really isnt....
Quote from: Wingspan on April 20, 2006, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 20, 2006, 08:11:26 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 08:09:12 AM
Fasano should be hanged, drawn and quartered for dropping that popup.
but...but....hes better than lieberthal and should be starting EVERY game
he's a better catcher, that play aside.
no, he really isnt....
yes, he really is.
:-D
i love how someone woke up one day and decided that sal fasano is some master at handling pitchers...how does anyone know this...the guys barely played in his whole career...the only reason phils fans say this is because leiberthal is bad at it therefore fasano must be great at it...no phillie fan had ever heard of sal fasano until the day they signed him...now they are sure hes much better at handling pitchers than lieberthal...
frankly the whole handling of pitchers thing is half a joke anyway...its so overrated and only applies to maybe 5% of the pitchers in the league...either a pitcher is good or he isnt...it has very little to do with how many times a game a catcher goes to mound and caresses the pitchers scrotum and tells him everything will be alright
its another part of the seamhead conspiracy where they try to make people believe baseball is much deeper than it really is....the 'emerald chessboard' and all that garbage
it has nothing to do with being told anything about Sal Fasano. i could tell the 1st farging time i saw him that he is 10x a better catcher than Lieberthal.
handling pitchers is not a joke. a pitcher is on the mound all alone, it's the 5% that you talk about that don't need the help of good catcher, Clemens types. all other pitchers are guys who need to rely on confidence as much as ability, and a good catcher can build confidence and a bad one can hurt it.
i've caught since i was 11, continued to this day. i'll forget more about catching when i have a stoke than you'll ever understand.
a pitcher is on the mound all alone
lol...ALL ALONE!!....what will he ever do out there...quick run out and whisper in his ear before he breaks down...they should just create a new coaching position...the "mound coach"...similar to the third base coach but he stays on the mound at all times so that the pitchers are never alone
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 08:46:38 AM
a pitcher is on the mound all alone
lol...ALL ALONE!!....what will he ever do out there...quick run out and whisper in his ear before he breaks down...they should just create a new coaching position...the "mound coach"...similar to the third base coach but he stays on the mound at all times so that the pitchers are never alone
for somebody who watches baseball, you sure lack an understanding of it.
but i love you anyway
i understand it fine i just dont overanalyize it
know your scouting report and make the pitches that are called...period....
you dont need someone rubbing your tummy everytime you mess up...just make a better pitch
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 08:54:38 AM
i understand it fine i just dont overanalyize it
know your scouting report and make the pitches that are called...period....
you dont need someone rubbing your tummy everytime you mess up...just make a better pitch
but it's not that easy. if it was about making your pitch, Gavin Floyd would be a 25 game winner with his stuff. but the mental part of pitching is so huge, it's not to be taken lightly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 08:32:42 AM
i love how someone woke up one day and decided that sal fasano is some master at handling pitchers...how does anyone know this...the guys barely played in his whole career...the only reason phils fans say this is because leiberthal is bad at it therefore fasano must be great at it...no phillie fan had ever heard of sal fasano until the day they signed him...now they are sure hes much better at handling pitchers than lieberthal...
frankly the whole handling of pitchers thing is half a joke anyway...its so overrated and only applies to maybe 5% of the pitchers in the league...either a pitcher is good or he isnt...it has very little to do with how many times a game a catcher goes to mound and caresses the pitchers scrotum and tells him everything will be alright
its another part of the seamhead conspiracy where they try to make people believe baseball is much deeper than it really is....the 'emerald chessboard' and all that garbage
I'm convinced if Lieby didn't have that big contract, people would recognize that he is a decent catcher. Can't blame him for Ed Wade being a moron.
i agree but a catcher isnt going to help you with that...you either mature and become good or you dont...no different than any other sport...all that garbage this spring about gillick coddling floyd was a joke...hes just as awful as he was last year...baseball is notorious for making ish up like that to make itself seem intellectually superior than all other sports...
Quote from: Philly_Crew on April 20, 2006, 08:58:17 AM
I'm convinced if Lieby didn't have that big contract, people would recognize that he is a decent catcher. Can't blame him for Ed Wade being a moron.
i agree with that.
leiberthal had a terrible first half of the year last year, but batted over .300 in the latter half.
the only thing that leiberthal can't do as well as he was once able to is throw a runner stealing 2nd out.
and lieberthal is so bad at handling pitchers...yeah...he called the shutout in colorado.
if leiberthal can not handle pitchers, how is it that he has a better CERA (Catcher Earned Run Average) by about 1 full run, when the "ace" of the staff prefers fasano?
Quote from: Wingspan on April 20, 2006, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on April 20, 2006, 08:58:17 AM
I'm convinced if Lieby didn't have that big contract, people would recognize that he is a decent catcher. Can't blame him for Ed Wade being a moron.
i agree with that.
leiberthal had a terrible first half of the year last year, but batted over .300 in the latter half.
the only thing that leiberthal can't do as well as he was once able to is throw a runner stealing 2nd out.
and lieberthal is so bad at handling pitchers...yeah...he called the shutout in colorado.
if leiberthal can not handle pitchers, how is it that he has a better CERA (Catcher Earned Run Average) by about 1 full run, when the "ace" of the staff prefers fasano?
But he doesn't have the Fu!
Quote from: Wingspan on April 20, 2006, 09:40:33 AM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on April 20, 2006, 08:58:17 AM
I'm convinced if Lieby didn't have that big contract, people would recognize that he is a decent catcher. Can't blame him for Ed Wade being a moron.
i agree with that.
leiberthal had a terrible first half of the year last year, but batted over .300 in the latter half.
the only thing that leiberthal can't do as well as he was once able to is throw a runner stealing 2nd out.
and lieberthal is so bad at handling pitchers...yeah...he called the shutout in colorado.
if leiberthal can not handle pitchers, how is it that he has a better CERA (Catcher Earned Run Average) by about 1 full run, when the "ace" of the staff prefers fasano?
the season is 2 weeks old. why don't you wait a bit. but hey, stats tell the whole story.
considering so far you want the 3-4-5 hitters to all be lefties. nunez to start every day (a career .240 hitter), and that abreu is a bum...and think fasano is a better overall catcher...i'll stick with my opinions .
no one says lieberthal is an all star...however, anyone who watches the games can easily see that fasano sucks, and lieberthal is clearly the better of the two options at catcher.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 20, 2006, 10:09:25 AM
considering so far you want the 3-4-5 hitters to all be lefties. nunez to start every day (a career .240 hitter), and that abreu is a bum...and think fasano is a better overall catcher...i'll stick with my opinions .
wow, a litany of generalizations. you argue like a woman. take your tampon out and realize that you don't have a farging clue about what you are talking about. it probably stings a little bit, but you'll get over it.
:-o
wow, witty retort.
We're doing the party on the rooftops thing tonight, should be interesting. Will probably make my way down to the more expensive seats after the 4th or 5th and I have a good buzz going.
i heard something about that SD... what is involved?
Tickets are only $12 and they do a different theme every week. This week is western, they'll have a mechanical bull and some other stuff. Here's a link with further details. (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/phi/ticketing/rooftop.jsp)
SD: Do the bull dance. Feel the flow. Work it.
all cowboys aint dumb....some of em got smarts real good...
:-D :-D >:(
Nats now lead it 5-0.
And BILLY TRABER GETS HIS FIRST ML BASEHIT and knocks in a goddamn RUN!
Madson is getting whupped up on.
Just to clarify, Billy Traber is their pitcher.
What the farg? Why can't the Phillies get motherfarging pitchers out?
Pat Burrell smokes a double to the RCF gap and scores Jimmy and Bobby.
5-2 Nats b1st
I guess the gameplan for the Phils now is, "They are going to score a lot.....so let's score a lot too and cross our fingers."
And Madson comes out and walks Vidro.
Now he's behind to Johnson too.
YO RYAN, THROW SOME FARGING STRIKES, JERKOFF.
Unbelievable. Seriously.
Johnson upper deck HR.
7-2 Nats.
And Madson is done after 1 IP 7 hits, 7 ER and 4 walks.
Great job, Ryan. Excellent outing.
Aaron Fultz coming in with runners on 1st and 2nd in the t2nd with 0 outs.
Ryan Howard drops another ball and LA says in an exasperated voice "Howard has to catch that ball..."
It was on what would've been an inning ending DP.
Instead the Nats score again. After they scored the 8th run on a sac fly.
9-2 Nats in the top of the 2nd.
Fultz falls behind Traber 2-0 and gets him to pop up.
Finally the inning is over.
9-2 Nationals.
Kill me now. Please. For real.
Yeah. I stopped watching when Madson left.
This team is a farging trainwreck. They'll get no more of my time, energy, or money until they start to seriously make an attempt to change the reoccurring nightmare that is your standard Phillies season.
Well, barring a miracle this one is done. And its still the 3rd inning. They have 1 hit off of Traber.
They will need a comeback like the one in FLA last year (10 runs in the 9th) to win.
Chances? Ha!
Goodnight.
Gooooooooo PHILLIES!
Geoff Geary should be released right now. Like Gillick should walk out to the mound and cut him right now.
I know its a blowout, but this guys eats ass.
Cut him now.
HR to Nick Johnson. His 2nd of the night.
10-4 Nats aka 1927 Yankees.
<------ Even more so than usual tonight.
Go Eagles.
Geary is awful. Why is he even on the team?
farging bums.
I will say this, CBP on a thursday night has some decent eye candy. It's college night and there's a lot of drunk girls to look at.
great lineup last night. your best power hitter hitting 7th. wow.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 21, 2006, 08:32:41 AM
great lineup last night. your best power hitter hitting 7th. wow.
The batting order didn't give up 10 runs, though.
i know, but the mere principle of it enrages me.
Would you say it makes you furious, irate, or livid? You may choose only one answer.
mildly annoyed. because it's just April baseball.
charlie is an abortion....but hes far from the reason they suck...in fact id rather have him as the manager of a hideous team like this than have him butchering it up during a pennant race
i agree with that. they aren't good enough.
but Charlies constant blunders are fun to pick apart.
Charlie Manuel to me is Andy Reid to you.
charlie manuel quote on wip from after last nites game
on ryan madson:
"it looked like....you know like...like....like he had trouble with his command...*stutter* *pause*...like trouble with his command and like he couldnt make the ball go where he wanted it"
how on earth is that guy a major league manager
they have the 5th worst team era...combind with the 5th worst batting average.
the defensive savior in the outfield has 2 errors and 1 assist this season, while sporting the 2nd worst fielding % on the team, only in front of bell.
howards defense has been atrocious.
there is exactly 1 starter with an era under 5.00 (Myers)
there are three starters over 6.00 (Floyd, Madsen, Lieber)
....this season is shaping out nicely.
in other news around the league....
V Padilla is 2-1 with a 3.75 era in 4 starts
Some slugger on the white sox is hitting .333 with 7HRs
Some guy we traded away for a murderer (well attempted anyway) is again hitting .339
but shhhh...we're not allowed to talk about that.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 21, 2006, 01:11:54 PM
the defensive savior in the outfield has 2 errors and 1 assist this season, while sporting the 2nd worst fielding % on the team, only in front of bell.
the fact that you base an OF's fielding ability on fielding % just goes to show how little you really know about baseball.
(http://www.nashvilleistalking.com/archives/single-large-cricket.jpg)
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 21, 2006, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 21, 2006, 01:11:54 PM
the defensive savior in the outfield has 2 errors and 1 assist this season, while sporting the 2nd worst fielding % on the team, only in front of bell.
the fact that you base an OF's fielding ability on fielding % just goes to show how little you really know about baseball.
i am basing nothing on nothing. but right now Rowand is at the bottom of almost every defensive category when compared to other CF's in the national league. Zone Rating, .795 (worst in the NL)...overall Feilding % and errors...base your own conclusion on those numbers...
they are 6-9
they are 2nd last in the NL with runs scored with teams that have 15+games (with 9 home games down in a hitters park), and have given up 95 runs (only two worse in the NL, pitt and cinn). team fielding is in the bottom 5 of the majors.
so far they have sucked, there are barely any positives to be said. i had that whole post, and you want to pick on semantic's of rowards ability or inability to boost the defense (which is completely irrelevant in CBP anyway)?
they have the worst home record in baseball in a schedule that was supposed to favor the phils early.
yes, they suck right now, i agree.
but when you first use "defensive savior" in a sarcastic way, followed up by fielding % that makes me respond.
but yes...we can both agree that they are not fun to watch right now.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 21, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
yes, they suck right now, i agree.
but when you first use "defensive savior" in a sarcastic way, followed up by fielding % that makes me respond.
but yes...we can both agree that they are not fun to watch right now.
well thats what this team told us all winter...that rowand will solve all the defensive problems in the OF (which i didnt think there was any).
and what kills me right now, is abreu getting shtein on from everywhere, yet...rowand, howard and utley (funny the three guys AROUND him n the field) getting passes for their zesty play in the feild.
yeah, but Rowand hasn't played poorly, he dropped one in the sun, i can't remember his other error, but you can't look at that.
he has great range, better than the Michaels/Lofton combo last year.
yes, Howard hasn't played well in the field either. but what it comes down is that Abreu has a rep (rightly or wrongly) and when he makes some of the plays he makes, people fall back onto that rep and give him shtein. Rowand, Utely, and Howard don't have that rep, so people give them a pass.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 21, 2006, 02:26:37 PM
he has great range, better than the Michaels/Lofton combo last year.
i dont think he does...i think it's about the same. besides, part of my point was that his extended range is irrelevant when you play 81 games at CBP
i would disagree with that, CBP is a small park overall, but CF has a some room out there. especially left-center where it angles back a little bit
parks with deep centers (like houston) dont need rangy outfielders...parks with big power alleys do (yankee stadium)
about four balls a year are going to be hit to deep straight away center field and arent going to be caught no matter whos back there...its the power alleys where most balls go and if you have a lot of room in them (which the bank doesnt) you need someone that can run them down
i went to that shteinfest last night. weep for my poor decision making skills.
at least you got the jr beanie hat...wasnt that last night?
yea i was gonna give it to the hobo whose always outside my building, but he wasnt there. its sitting on my window sill and ill probably throw it away when i pack up.
send it to me...for real
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2006, 02:42:46 PM
parks with deep centers (like houston) dont need rangy outfielders...parks with big power alleys do (yankee stadium)
I understand the point, but using Houston as an example is bad. The LF and RF dont need to cover any ground, but the CF needs to cover tons, especially since the LF and RF arent very good fielders.
plus, the CF has to run up that gay hill in the outfield too
Quote from: MDS on April 21, 2006, 03:28:29 PM
yea i was gonna give it to the hobo whose always outside my building, but he wasnt there. its sitting on my window sill and ill probably throw it away when i pack up.
I like mine, fits my head nicely. Three things I don't like about it are the colors remind me of the NY Giants, there's a McDonalds logo on the back, there's no Phillies logo anywhere to be found. Where were your seats at? I had some Tony Lukes lastnight that was out of this world good.
i was in 303 (by the way the seats suck, you cant see the plate that well and miss all the action in rf and rfc). i got dragged with my friend and his christian group. no they arent the bad kind of christian group, otherwise i wouldve killed myself.
:-D :'( :boom
lieber mediocre
offense cant touch someone named scott olson
PATHETIC fargING TEAM
kill me
I can't understand how anyone really follows the Phils anymore. I grew up watching them, cheering for them, and hoping next season will be different, an improvement somehow. After twenty years, I stopped. Now, if I am flipping through the channels, and stumble on a game, I might flip back and forth a couple times....but overall, I am completely disgusted with the "product" they put out their day after day. Is it because there are no other sports to follow at the moment? I just don't get it.
the. phillies. suck. hard.
1. Lieber was perfect in 5 innings. He should've only given up 2 runs. Sal Fasano's brain fart cost them two more and possibly the game.
But hey, Sal is a gritty overachieving do-gooder who gets dirty so he gets free passes in Philadelphia, right?
2. Pat Burrell is a dumb hitter. 4 pitch BB to Bobby and this bum hacks on the 1st pitch. Great job, Patricia.
3. Rowand's catch in the 1st was sweet.
4. Chase and Howard are still struggling. And the entire team is struggling against LHP.
5. This team is fundamentally stupid.
6. I am fundamentally stupid for watching this steaming hot trash.
Fortunately, I was not watching the game until the last two innings because I was watching a movie with my family.
I laugh so that I do not cry.
Also,
Cole Hamels needs to be fast tracked. And Gio Gonzalez too. Bring up Hamels now. Then see if Gonzalez continues to kill AA. If he does, then he goes to AAA for 3-4 starts. If he does well there? The show, baby.
Then you move Madson back to his 7th inning role.
And if Floyd doesn't get right, you put Gonzalez in his spot.
Question:
Why is Cole Hamels back on the Clearwater Roster? Is it injury rehab still? Hard to believe he'd need to be in A-ball otherwise.
They wanted him in warm weather because of his back. The chilly spring nights in Reading/Scranton is something they didn;t want to put him in.
But its time.
Get his ass here. Now.
sal bought pizza for his pals.
you cant really blame this one player. its a total team effort. im not sure if trading abreu or something will make things good. firing manuel isnt gonna accomplish anything. i hate to say it, but really the best option (unless some killer trade comes along) is to just this be and hope it works out. i know it kills me, but they got so much money tied up in the big guys thats its nearly impossible to change the general make up of this team.
farging bums.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2006, 10:24:02 PM
But hey, Sal is a gritty overachieving do-gooder who gets dirty so he gets free passes in Philadelphia, right?
yep!
i dont know why pratt wasnt kept for a year. fasano is terrible.
i said 10 ten pages ago sal fasano should not be in the major leagues...he is a tragedy...the question is why does he get so many at bats from charlie
Quote from: MURP on April 22, 2006, 01:01:17 AM
sal bought pizza for his pals.
video clip of it (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/042106-fasano.wmv)
thats dope....but he still blows
yea he does pretty much suck. but hes italian, has awsome facial hair and is gritty. so give him a pass.
Tonight's game is rained out. Day-night DH on Sunday 7/30
9 game homestand now. need to go 5-4. were 1-3. this does not bode well.
Howard just hit a BOMB to centerfield. :yay
Howard just crushed one to deep center. What a shot. 1-0. Harry K just said it was 496. Holy shtein.
Utley and Manual were tossed after the first base ump clearly made the wrong call.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2006, 02:14:46 PM
Howard just crushed one to deep center. What a shot. 1-0. Harry K just said it was 496. Holy shtein.
Utley and Manual were tossed after the first base ump clearly made the wrong call.
I just about woke up my son yelling at the TV about that one- after fighting with him for an hour to take his nap.
I sounded like John McEnroe on that one: "You can't be serious!"
Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute.* howard hit one over the batters eye in center. it landed in that area where you cant go anymore with the phillies timeline thing.
howard just hit another. jeez.
* i wrote zOMG as a joke and thats the filter. nice.
Howard's CF HR was farging awesome. To get a ball over the batters eye in CF is amazing. He's strong as an ox. And then he goes oppo in his next AB. Nice to see him getting some XBH's.
And Dan Iassogna is the ump who threw Chase and Charlie out.
Iassogna is the guy who used to get into it with L-Bo all the time. He's like 5'6 and has that Napoleon complex.
Utley was safe. But Iassogna waits for it, waits for it......then rings him up. He gave the dramatic pause and then made the wrong call. Utley slammed his helmet and he got tossed. Then Charlie got tossed too.
Total bullshtein.
The biggest problem was that David Bell had the day off and when Chase got tossed Nunez went to 2nd and David had to come in at 3rd and bat cleanup. :-\
Nice grab by Rollins there.
Howard's two HRs were awesome. He's got power to hit it out anywhere in the park. Even with Thome hitting well (and I am glad he is), the Phils still made the right decision to go with Howard. He'll be here the next 8 years, FA notwithstanding.
Flash strikes out the side to get his 5th save.
Man, he's got great stuff. That cutter he learned from Mariano is deadly.
Now we've got the Rockies sans Helton for 4 games.
Must sweep.
id take 3/4, which would make a for a 5-4 homestand (not great, but in the long run its fine). josh fogg, who owns the phillies, goes monday against mr. mediocre cory lidle.
That shot that Howard hit to center looked just like the one he hit in Clearwater in Spring Training.
496 feet? Jesus Christ.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 23, 2006, 07:54:26 PM
That shot that Howard hit to center looked just like the one he hit in Clearwater in Spring Training.
496 feet? Jesus Christ.
He can hit a curve ball.
It bounced once on Ashburn Alley and hit the face on Dick Allen's plaque... :-D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 23, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 23, 2006, 07:54:26 PM
That shot that Howard hit to center looked just like the one he hit in Clearwater in Spring Training.
496 feet? Jesus Christ.
He can hit a curve ball.
Michael Jordan couldn't. I doubt Christ could dunk it from the free throw line, though.
Christ could dunk it from half court as long as he was wearing his Air Jesus sandals.
Can't find a link yet, but supposedly Hamels was promoted to Scranton :yay
the amazing thing about howards homer is not its distance....for example reggie abercrombie hit one 495 this week...its that it went to straight center...to hit a ball that far without pulling it is unreal
495 to dead center over a wall several stories high, so the height of that blast was remarkable too...
its that it went to straight center...to hit a ball that far without pulling it is unreal
...just like my golf swing--without the 500 yrd distance of course.
Was the pitcher a lefty or righty?
R
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 24, 2006, 12:17:13 PM
495 to dead center over a wall several stories high, so the height of that blast was remarkable too...
Yep.
They're back-tracking a bit on the distance knocking 10-20 feet off of it, but if you've ever stood there, you know what a nuclear crush that shot was.
To borrow a line from The Princess Bride... it's
inconceivable that anyone could launch one over that wall into the monument section. No way, no how. Just incredible power.
haha...theres a guy on WIP asking king to start a campaign for the phils to have a team appreciation month...where for a one month period the fans are not allowed to boo....if they are they will be asked to leave and the stadium will have no booing signs all over...he wants to see if this will cause the team to play better
really
Two very good things happened today:
1. Hamels was promoted to AAA
2. Even though I was originally against it, Chase Utley has been moved into the #2 spot. That means Howard is moved up to 5th and Rowand drops to 6th.
Rollins
Utley
Abreu
Burrell
Howard
Rowand
Bell
Lieberthal
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2006, 04:09:07 PM
haha...theres a guy on WIP asking king to start a campaign for the phils to have a team appreciation month...where for a one month period the fans are not allowed to boo....if they are they will be asked to leave and the stadium will have no booing signs all over...he wants to see if this will cause the team to play better
really
:-D
I'm not (too) much of a booer, but that's freaking nuts.
Phils up 5-2, they're hitting the ball all over the park tonight.
6-4, and Abreu, Howard, and Rowand all choked on it in the 7th. Let's see how that comes back to hurt them.
abreu and howard were cash money until then, i can hardly use the work choke considering what theyve down and that they were facing a left hander. rowand, bell and loserthal are combing to make one mediocre of a 6-7-8 though.
Rhodes.
Swell.
C'mon Bell! >:(
Thank you Jesus!
Lidle with 10 Ks tonight.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 24, 2006, 09:25:56 PM
6-4, and Abreu, Howard, and Rowand all choked on it in the 7th. Let's see how that comes back to hurt them.
abreu and howard combine for 5 rbi's.
it didnt seem to hurt too much
Utley was 3-4 with 3R's. Nice.
And he made two amazing defensive plays. One of which won't be repeated because Jimmy couldn't handle the throw. But it was sweet. He all out dives to his right and throws the ball to 2nd with his glove. Awesome.
But Jimmy missed it. He also missed a throw by Howard on an attempt to get the lead runner on a bunt.
And Howard made a dumb play in the field again that could've hurt them. Runner on 1st and 3rd. He gets a ball hit right at him on a line...he catches it after it hops and is only a few steps from the base. eli Marrero didn't run from 1st because I guess he thought it was a line drive and caught. Instead of Howard tagging 1st and then tagging Marrero or throwing to 2nd to force a tag play or a rundown he throws to 2nd to start a 3-6-3 DP attempt. The runner beats it out at 1st and they score. He has to be better in the field.
How about that bottom of the order? Woooooooooooooo
yes that play by Howard was brutal and he needs to think quicker out there. Comes with the growing pains
QuotePhillies third baseman David Bell struck out swinging in the fourth inning, his first in 53 at-bats this season
Holy crap. At least he makes a lot of contact, I guess.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 25, 2006, 08:48:19 AM
QuotePhillies third baseman David Bell struck out swinging in the fourth inning, his first in 53 at-bats this season
Holy crap. At least he makes a lot of contact, I guess.
Yep. Usually a pop up or weak ground ball.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 25, 2006, 08:48:19 AM
QuotePhillies third baseman David Bell struck out swinging in the fourth inning, his first in 53 at-bats this season
Holy crap. At least he makes a lot of contact, I guess.
I'd rather he strike out, because he's the king of the double play grounder.
I hope Hamels gets ready fast.
Floyd was off again with his location early on and gave up 4 runs. He was very good in the 2nd and 3rd though. He gave up a leadoff HR in the 2nd but has thrown well since.
And the Phils are doing what they love to do against young and inexperienced pitchers - making them look like studs.
Former Phils farmhand Miguel Ascencio is mowing them down.
4-1 top 4th
Floyd is tipping off his pitches with runners on 2nd. They can see the grip he places on the ball as plain as day.
Meh. 5-1 Rockies and Gomer Pyle is giving Floyd the hook. The good news is Geoff Geary's coming in!
Woot!
And Floyd implodes again. So much for looking good.
2 more runs.
He's done after 3 and a third.
5 runs given up already and two more in scoring position with 1 out. :-\
South Philly Sal had Jamey Carroll dead out at 2B on a pitchout/steal and Everybody Loves Sal throws wide right by about 10 feet and he's safe. Carroll should've been out. But no. Now he scores a run.
Jesus Christ of latter day saints. >:( >:(
Routine grounder to SS and Jimmy throws it into the goddamn stands.
A run was going to score but since the throw left the field of play the other runs scores.
7-1 Rockies.
Bye-bye winning streak!
gavin floyd is farging terrible...he needs to be brought out to pasture now...
what the hell is geary batting for
is charlie for real???
i am absolutely dumbfounded...unreal!!!
Super Sal hits his 2nd RBI double of the night. He's on fire!
The Aaron Rowand - David Bell - Sal Fasano trio has gotten the Phils their runs tonight.
Rowand HBP, Bell single and Fasano double = 1st run
Rowand reached on error, Bell single and Fasano double = 2nd run
And now Geoff Geary has to bat because the Phils have NO ONE in the bullpen to use. Rhodes is unavailable. Julio "gas can" Santana is not even at the park.
AND GEARY HITS ONE TO RF! :-D
An RBI DOUBLE for Ed Wade's son!
nah, they should whip him till to a bloody pulp with their towels in the shower while screaming "bitch boy!" and video tape it on the internet so he has some sort of idea how embarrassing it is to be a phillies fan.
i'm sure it'll help his confidence as well.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2006, 08:30:12 PM
what the hell is geary batting for
is charlie for real???
i am absolutely dumbfounded...unreal!!!
And he hits a wind-blown "double." :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2006, 08:30:12 PM
what the hell is geary batting for
is charlie for real???
i am absolutely dumbfounded...unreal!!!
Its the 4th inning and there is no one in the BP.
Gordon - not going to pitch in this situation
Santana - not at the park
Rhodes - unavailable
COME ON JIMMY!
the Phils have NO ONE in the bullpen to use
if thats the case that is sad
this team is a disaster
geory rbi double = manual pure genius
Jimmy knocks in a run with a ground out to 1B.
And Wheels is on his "this is a goofy game" schtick that he trots out there almost every night.
Wheres the dancing bears, Wheels?
Oh my, look at the hot dog wrappers blowing says Wheels for the 57th time.
UTLEY DOUBLES TO LCF!
7-5 now!!
7-5. Utley double.
Now it's time for Abreu.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2006, 08:33:11 PM
the Phils have NO ONE in the bullpen to use
if thats the case that is sad
this team is a disaster
Yep. It goes to show how terrible the bullpen is.
If they take Geary out they have Cormier, Franklin and Fultz to use
Abreu singled in Utley!!
7-6 now!
each of those guys can easily give you two innings...geary got a hit but its still a terrible move to leave him in
wow what a rally right now...which imo proves even more that you take geary out...9/10 times in that situation he gets out and none of this is happening right now
I would've PH for him too. But I can understand the move.
If it is the 6th inning, he's out.
But the 4th inning means you need innings. And you cannot really expect much out of those bums in the bullpen.
And by the way, I fully expect Geoff Geary to give up some runs in the 5th. I hate him. HATE.
wasn't franklin supposed to be the 5th starter anyway? why isn't he in there chewing up some innings instead of raping the pathetic bullpen we already have.
Because since Rhodes isn't able to go tonight - Franklin is the setup guy for Flash.
So realistically he had to go with Rheal zesty or Fultz. Or leave Geary in and get 2+ out of him.
ohh i c. such options.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 25, 2006, 08:40:43 PM
wasn't franklin supposed to be the 5th starter anyway? why isn't he in there chewing up some innings instead of raping the pathetic bullpen we already have.
I was wondering the same thing.
Anyways, allowing Geary to hit worked out, so hopefully he can eat up some innings. Howard going yard here would make my night.
And besides...we know that pitchers can drive in runs.
The Phils have been ass raped by opposing pitchers at the plate all year long. Now its our turn to get lucky.
that was blind luck too...the wind absolutely owned that ball geary hit
Yo, anyone have an icepick?
Listening to these two farging imbeciles Wheels and Graham makes me want to drive an icepick through my brain. For real.
Howard grounds out to Grocery Getter at SS.
at least you can see and hear the game.. well, see it.
i'm using this slow piece of garbage game day thing off the phillies web site. i'm not signing up for the mlb.tv until they hit at least .500.
i got the rockies announcers on the package....i have to say they are excellent...some of the best announcers ive heard in a while
One for the comedy files,
Having to watch on satellite's MLB package, I am getting the Rockies feed (for some reason they NEVER show the Comcast feed). During last night's game, the annoying Rockies announcers were talking about how strong the Phils' bullpen was. :boom
After laughing, I threw up in my mouth a little.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2006, 08:48:15 PM
i got the rockies announcers on the package....i have to say they are excellent...some of the best announcers ive heard in a while
Who are they?
Dante Bichette and David Nied?
and looky here...Gas Can Geary gives up a single to lead off the inning.
Way to go, Geoffrey. Farging bum.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2006, 08:48:15 PM
i got the rockies announcers on the package....i have to say they are excellent...some of the best announcers ive heard in a while
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 25, 2006, 08:48:51 PM
One for the comedy files,
Having to watch on satellite's MLB package, I am getting the Rockies feed (for some reason they NEVER show the Comcast feed). During last night's game, the annoying Rockies announcers were talking about how strong the Phils' bullpen was. :boom
After laughing, I threw up in my mouth a little.
Seems to be a difference of opinion, here. I hated listening to opposing teams announcers when I had the MLB package, only one that was worth a damn was Vin Scully.
Nice DP to end the inning.
Wait, so in the bottom of the 4th:
R Howard popped out.
A Rowand safe at first on error.
D Bell singled, A Rowand to 2nd.
S Fasano doubled, A Rowand scored, D Bell to 3rd.
G Geary doubled, D Bell scored, S Fasano to 3rd.
J Rollins grounded out, S Fasano scored, G Geary to 3rd.
C Utley doubled, G Geary scored.
B Abreu singled, C Utley scored.
P Burrell walked, B Abreu to 2nd.
R Howard grounded out.
So, Howard makes 2 outs in the inning, Fasano and Geary farging double... and the Phils are still losing by 1.
Hahaha. Even when they're good, they make no sense.
Who are they?
drew goodman and george frazier...they are very very unbiased
frazier sounds EXACTLY like buck martinez...its uncanny
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2006, 08:49:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2006, 08:48:15 PM
i got the rockies announcers on the package....i have to say they are excellent...some of the best announcers ive heard in a while
Who are they?
Dante Bichette and David Nied?
and looky here...Gas Can Geary gives up a single to lead off the inning.
Way to go, Geoffrey. Farging bum.
Drew Goodman and George Frazier.
And Geary will not hit this inning.
Aaron Fultz is up and warming.
He has to go 6th and 7th. Has to.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2006, 09:05:37 PM
And Geary will not hit this inning.
Aaron Fultz is up and warming.
He has to go 6th and 7th. Has to.
What, and waste his hot bat?
He's hitting.
I take that back.
Gas Can Geary will hit because Sal struck out and there is 2 outs now.
Geary almost gets another hit. He smokes one to 1B but the guy knocks it down and has time to beat Geary to the bag.
Geary almost had another base hit, we should use him as a pinch hitter.
Geary > David Bell ?
(http://www.thebaseballcube.com/images/cards/9653.jpg)
Dandy Don Carman!!
That 5-15 season in '89 was to die for.
He was one of my first autographs. :yay
I CAN'T TAKE THESE FOOLS ANYMORE!
They have said "crazy, windy, hot dog wrappers and where will THIS ball end up" 6,320 times.
SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!
Patricia just made a nice catch in left and then hit the cut-off man with a heck of a throw.
Too bad there was already three outs.
:-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 25, 2006, 09:17:35 PM
He was one of my first autographs. :yay
Did his signature go past the seams on the ball like his pitches went wide of the zone?
Amalio Carreno was one of my first ones. I was like 12 and Von Hayes had just big timed me. So I holler "Yo Amalio Carreno!" as he's walking to the bullpen at the Vet. He was an ex-Yankee farmhand and I had my trusty program with me. No one knew this guy. I think he didn;t speak english either. He looked happy to be giving an autograph.
Nice catch by the kid in the club level behind home plate!
Three up, three down.
Top 7, 7-6 Rockies.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 25, 2006, 09:22:21 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 25, 2006, 09:11:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2006, 09:09:06 PM
Geary > David Bell ?
Don Carman > David Bell
Don Carman, Bruce Ruffin, Shane Rawley, now THOSE were the days.
Don't forget Floyd Youmans, Bob Sebra, Ken Howell, Chuck Malone, Wally Ritche and Todd Frohwirth too. Oh, and Alex Madrid!!
It all begins and ends with... Joe. Cowley.
Like in Major League.
"Ball Four."
"Ball Eight."
"Ball Twelve."
:-D
No joke here - that dude was walking around the concourse one day during a rain delay in full uniform complete with metal spikes. I'm standing in line waiting for a soda and hot dog and I hear the spikes. I don't remember how old I was at the time, but I knew what metal spikes sounded like on concrete. I think they were playing the Cubs back when they used to wear the all blue tops as road jersey's.
I turn to my Pop and ask "who the hell is Cowley?"
His response: "Some no good bum. You throw better than him"
Ok, back to the present day bad Phillies and not the old time bad Phillies.
Gas Can put 2 guys on and now Fultz is in.
1st and 2nd with 0 outs in the top7th.
Nice job by Fultz
strikeout
Super Sal throws out a runner at 3rd after a passed ball
flyout to Rowand
we go to the bottom of the 7th still 7-6
Rough 8th inning, but no damage.
Error for Utley, should have been one for future HOFer Jimmy Rollins.
Rollins hits into a DP to end the inning. 0-5 tonight with an error. His fielding has been horrendus all year.
bunting=bad things
its stupid. old managers never learn.
OK, thouse with the Philly feed, was that call on the potential double play in the 9th as bad as it looked on the Rockies feed? They never showed a good slo-mo replay.
farging bums, way to come through in the clutch in the 9th. They chased the worst damn pitches.
yawn. ryan howard can die. at least he had a MONSTER spring though.
Please tell me why I continue to listen to this shtein on the internet? At least those of you on the east coast can go to bed now and forget about it. It's only 4:30 PM here so I will get Sports Center highlights for the next seven hours.
I'm watching Dog The Bounty Hunter tonight.
sigh. tough game. bullpen was actually really good, and the offense just shut down after the big inning. when have we seen that? people will of course be on abreu for striking out in the 9th, but that isnt news. anytime he doesnt come through in a clutch spot, he gets killed. howard had 2 big at bats and he gidped and struck out. probably wont get a mention of that.
oh well. madson needs to rebound from his awful outing, that i went to, tommorrow. we win the next two, its 10-11. doesnt sound too bad considering that awful start.
Quote from: MDS on April 25, 2006, 11:09:14 PM
howard had 2 big at bats and he gidped and struck out. probably wont get a mention of that.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 25, 2006, 10:36:31 PM
yawn. ryan howard can die. at least he had a MONSTER spring though.
i am an equal opportunity burner.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 25, 2006, 10:36:31 PM
yawn. ryan howard can die. at least he had a MONSTER spring though.
Yeah, because it's not like he was batting above .350 or anything coming into tonight's game.
Games like tonight's are painful. At least if it stayed 7-1 in the later innings, you could write it off, but no, they get all the way back to 7-6 with the tying and go-ahead/winning runs on base as early as the 4th inning and they shut it down... :boom
this is how they lose. always close. on to tommorrow, eddy.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2006, 11:47:04 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 25, 2006, 10:36:31 PM
yawn. ryan howard can die. at least he had a MONSTER spring though.
Yeah, because it's not like he was batting above .350 or anything coming into tonight's game.
good for statistics, but i prefer to live in reality. he had the biggest part of them losing this game. so he can die. until tomorrow.
Floyd had the biggest part in them losing. end of story.
Ed Wade had the biggest part in them losing. He's responsible for over half the team even being here.
I win.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 26, 2006, 12:02:58 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2006, 11:47:04 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on April 25, 2006, 10:36:31 PM
yawn. ryan howard can die. at least he had a MONSTER spring though.
Yeah, because it's not like he was batting above .350 or anything coming into tonight's game.
good for statistics, but i prefer to live in reality. he had the biggest part of them losing this game. so he can die. until tomorrow.
uh...how?
Quote from: MURP on April 26, 2006, 12:14:06 AM
Floyd had the biggest part in them losing. end of story.
Exactly, I don't know how anyone else could even enter the discussion. Floyd killed them.
It's all Nick Leyva's fault.
Lee Elia is to blame.
Gene Mauch's ghost is haunting them from the grave.
Flipping between the Flyers and the Fightins. Phils up 4-0.
7-1 now. Bell went yard. Almost hit one his first AB but it hit the top of the wall.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2006, 08:40:30 PM
7-1 now. Bell went yard. Almost hit one his first AB but it hit the top of the wall.
Bell's on one of his patented one-game hot streaks.
madson sucks
Bums win! 9-5! Hooray!
Dumbest fan group yet:
"Madson's (sic) Magicians" All TWO of them.
Shouldn't a "fan group" at least get the guy's name right? :-D
and of someone who doesnt suck?
Nice to see a solid W tonight.
Bell is starting to swing well.
Clay Condrey pitched a nice inning as well. He is already better than Julio Santana and Gas Can Geary. Oh, and Cormier and Fultz too.
I gotta say, Gordon is doing well for now. I am in total shock over it, but hey we be winning a few!
The starting pitching outside of Myers still sucks. We have no prayer if Lieber and one of Floyd/Madson (Lidle will continue to be mediocre) dont step up.
Quote from: MDS on April 27, 2006, 12:30:34 AM
Lidle will continue to be mediocre
but.... but.... 10 K's!11
but but hes gonna go 12-10 when all is said and done.
Just scored 2 tickets for party on the rooftop again...sweet! Heading down to the game in a few.
how was that rooftop johnson?
i heard there was tons of wild crazy man on man ass sex going on.
oh wait, that's the Phillies radio booth i'm thinking of
so far for Cole Hammels' debut in AAA...
5 IP, 9Ks, 0BB, 0 ER
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2006, 01:49:43 PM
how was that rooftop johnson?
Pretty cool, lots of people just loungin around and drinkin. Thursday is college day so there's a ton of eye candy walking around the stadium. Last week was a Western theme, they had a mechanical bull, this week is a surf theme so they have a surf machine. Maybe I'll get drunk and stupid and try to relive my glory days of surfing the coast in Diego.
6 IP, 12Ks, 0BB, 0 ER
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 27, 2006, 02:04:36 PM
6 IP, 12Ks, 0BB, 0 ER
We should swap him with Floyd immediately.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2006, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 27, 2006, 02:04:36 PM
6 IP, 12Ks, 0BB, 0 ER
We should swap him with Floyd immediately.
Or start Franklin and move Floyd down to AAA where he belongs...
lol...poor gavin floyd...finally got the manager and gm off his neck and giving him a chance to pitch regardless of how bad he is and cole hamels is in scranton workin it...should take care of what little confidence he has left
i guess floyd has to hope he less heinous than madson now
i think they should use this outing to trade Hammels for Gary Majewski
i know it cant happen but i put floyd madson and hamels in the rotation...they are going nowhere this year and those guys are the future...find out what you got...let them go thru the growing pains and hope one or even two of them turns out good
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 27, 2006, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2006, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 27, 2006, 02:04:36 PM
6 IP, 12Ks, 0BB, 0 ER
We should swap him with Floyd immediately.
Or start Franklin and move Floyd down to AAA where he belongs...
I'd rather stick with Floyd to be honest with you, at least he has potential. With Franklin what you see is what you get.
it's not a bad idea, they aren't doing anything this season, so why bother with Lidle, you know what he is
I can't believe how well Floyd & Madson looked in Florida and how awful they've been in the regular season.
Definitely a head-scratcher.
Actually, it's a full-on miracle that the Phillies are 9-11 after 20 games. With the starting pitching they've gotten, they have no right to have nine wins at this point.
I think they should use this outing to trade Hamels for Don Majkowski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Majkowski).
To be honest the starting pitching thus far has exceeded my expectations. At least we're getting a quality start every now and again. Whats going to ultimately kill the Phils will be the bullpen, because our starters are rarely effective after the 5th inning.
Majik man, represent!
done for the day...
98 pitches
7IP, 3H, 0 R, 0 BBs, 14Ks
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2006, 02:16:01 PM
I'd rather stick with Floyd to be honest with you, at least he has potential. With Franklin what you see is what you get.
We know that Floyd is totally overmatched at this point. Franklin is at least a serviceable major league pitcher and an innings-eater.
If the hitting starts to come the way is has lately, a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA could win a lot of games for the Phillies. Floyd simply isn't ready yet. I don't know if he'll ever be ready but this season shouldn't be flushed down the toilet in order to give him a chance to find out.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 27, 2006, 02:22:36 PM
done for the day...
98 pitches
7IP, 3H, 0 R, 0 BBs, 14Ks
Awesome. :yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 27, 2006, 02:23:10 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2006, 02:16:01 PM
I'd rather stick with Floyd to be honest with you, at least he has potential. With Franklin what you see is what you get.
We know that Floyd is totally overmatched at this point. Franklin is at least a serviceable major league pitcher and an innings-eater.
If the hitting starts to come the way is has lately, a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA could win a lot of games for the Phillies. Floyd simply isn't ready yet. I don't know if he'll ever be ready but this season shouldn't be flushed down the toilet in order to give him a chance to find out.
Franklin can eat all the innings he wants in long relief. Floyd is overmatched but when he's found his niche he's been effective. We're not winning the WS this season, so I stick with the young guy.
The season is only 20 games old and you're already giving up?
Wow... why bother watching them at all then? I just don't get that. :P
Given a 3-1 lead, Lieber blows it (again).
3-3 headed to the 8th. In comes Franklin.
Single....HR....
:boom
they should trade Lieber for Oswalt
and thus concludes a stellar 4-5 homestand. world series bound.
start franklin!!
Good job today. >:(
Hey, at least Cole Hamels pitched excellent. Just keep him away from the bars in Scranton.
if he continues to dominate there, you cannot not call him up, PAT GILLICK
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 27, 2006, 02:49:32 PM
The season is only 20 games old and you're already giving up?
Wow... why bother watching them at all then? I just don't get that. :P
Because I'm a fan and I love all of my teams. I'm also a realist.
Game was great today aside from the loss. I'm lit right now. $400 for a powder blue Schmidy jersey are you serious?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2006, 07:59:31 PM
$400 for a powder blue Schmidy jersey are you serious?
Did Schmidt come with the jersey?
I got one for like $185 on ebay a couple years ago. :P
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 27, 2006, 08:11:31 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2006, 07:59:31 PM
$400 for a powder blue Schmidy jersey are you serious?
Did Schmidt come with the jersey?
I got one for like $185 on ebay a couple years ago. :P
I asked the same question. No.
$400 for a powder blue Schmidy jersey are you serious?
go to dennerys on rising sun...i got one there for 110 i think it was...you can get a powder blu and put whatever name you want on it
even better...get igy to iron on a #20 on a hanes and hock it to you for $10
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2006, 08:51:28 PM
$400 for a powder blue Schmidy jersey are you serious?
go to dennerys on rising sun...i got one there for 110 i think it was...you can get a powder blu and put whatever name you want on it
Thanks for the tip, I found one on eBAY for pretty cheap. Only problem with that is you never know what you're getting. I had $40 in vouchers and was willing to pay the difference for the jersey if it was close to my estimated $200 price. Looks like I was way off. Wound up getting a powder blue T-shirt with Phillies written across the front and a green Phils/shamrock T.
Looks like I was way off. Wound up getting a powder blue T-shirt with Phillies written across the front and a green Phils/shamrock T.
i got that shamrock shirt as well and i got the powder blue phil and phyllis johnson
even better...get igy to iron on a #20 on a hanes and hock it to you for $10
that shirt is HOT dog...you know how many people ask me where i got it...then i pull my backpack out and say right here...20 bucks....SOLD...btw its not iron on
down 1-0 but 1st and 2nd no outs for superstar david bell
Phils lose 3-1. Nobody cares...
Quote"I don't think it's anything major at all," Myers said. "We've got to play better, I guess, execute better and do the little things right. Hopefully, we can get this month over with and maybe we'll come out in May and go 30-0 or something."
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2006, 12:23:06 AM
Quote"I don't think it's anything major at all," Myers said. "We've got to play better, I guess, execute better and do the little things right. Hopefully, we can get this month over with and maybe we'll come out in May and go 30-0 or something."
so...he's saying there is a chance april will not end? leave it to the phillies to not understand the passage of time.
Looks like I picked a great night to fall asleep early.
And looks like the Phils made another no-name BUM look good.
Ian Snell?
Ian farging Snell?
Jesus Christ.
Cy Snell, baby.
myers is getting the old curt schilling run support. he's actually been the best starter so far.
although being the tallest midget isnt usually something to brag about
They're losing again. :-\
And they are being dominated (again) by a no-name LHP
So glad the draft is on today, I have pizza, and beer, cause the Phils are the ultimate buzz-kill. Bums.
Rowand goes deep.
3-2 Pirates
in the 8th with 2 outs.
haha if you think these losers are winning this game. haha.
Guy on first, no outs, Howard strikes out, now Bells up. Only down 1 run. I see a DP here.
Bell walks.
Tracy taking out Gonzalez.
ROBERTO HERNANDEZ is coming in.
Dellucci will probably PH
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2006, 09:06:08 PM
haha if you think these losers are winning this game. haha.
You are so annoying, its almost painful.
Dellucci walks!
bases loaded w/ 1 out
Gonzalez PH for Gas Can
Bases loaded 1 out, Gonzalez up. They'll blow it.
And Gonzalez hits into a DP. Game over. Bums.
Gonzalez is a STUPID FARG!
He swings on a 1-0 pitch after 5 balls by Hernandez.
Then he swings on a 3-1 and grounds into a 5-3 DP.
FARGING LOSERS! >:(
oh. yeah. the phillies.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 29, 2006, 09:21:29 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2006, 09:06:08 PM
haha if you think these losers are winning this game. haha.
You are so annoying, its almost painful.
im SORRY for not having any FAITH in the phillies ::)
Or the Eagles.
Or the Flyers.
etc.
Why you bother to watch/follow ANY of it, I'll never know.
Oh wait, you dont' even follow hockey, you just whine and bitch about something you know practically NOTHING about.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 29, 2006, 09:36:24 PM
hockey, you just whine and bitch about something you know practically NOTHING about.
insert...friends, loving parents, girls, sex, etc...
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 29, 2006, 09:36:24 PM
Oh wait, you dont' even follow hockey, you just whine and bitch about something you know practically NOTHING about.
I get that times 150 every day. I teach middle school.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 29, 2006, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 29, 2006, 09:36:24 PM
Oh wait, you dont' even follow hockey, you just whine and bitch about something you know practically NOTHING about.
I get that times 150 every day. I teach middle school.
MDS is in your class?
hockey? the nhl sucks. and i dont think ive ever whined about it. i dont really follow it.
and on not having faith, are you kidding me? what exactly have the phillies, or any team in this city, done to warrant me believing they will win? im not even 20 and ive witnessed wayyyyyyy too many killer losses to think that happy little moment is right around the corner.
btw your a bitch but i think its funny.
The loss guarantees the Pirates their FIRST series win of the season. :-D :boom :'(
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 14, 2006, 11:51:36 PM
As of right now, the highest batting average among the regulars belongs to...
Mike Lieberthal (.346)
Howard is .343
Rollins is .341
Rowand is .324
Abreu is .316
Burrell is .286
Utley is .282
Bell is .200 :boom
Heck, right now Madsen is hitting .600 :-D
To update the regulars' current averages:
From their torrid offensive start (when they could not get quality starting pitching), the Phils' bats have entered the Arctic zone:
Rollins down to .266
Rowand down to .299
Burrell up to .289
Abreu down to .312
Utley down to .276
Howard down to .317
Bell up to .247
Lieberthal down to .296
Mediocrity at its finest. :boom
I don't think Charlie gives a damn anymore. Look at this lineup for today vs Oliver Perez:
Rollins
Nunez 2B
Rowand
Abreu
Burrell
Howard
Gonzalez 3B
Fasano
Floyd
wow ive never seen a worse 1-2-3 while the 4-5-6 is fine.
Watch them win 13-2
a gonz goin 4-4 with 4 dingers!
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 30, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
I don't think Charlie gives a damn anymore. Look at this lineup for today vs Oliver Perez:
To this day I still hate Wade for taking Charlie over Leyland. Hate him even more seeing how well he's doing in Detroit.
We'll get Sweet Lou.
Sweet Lou > Leyland
over/under 2 games before Burrell cries because Lou got in his face after an 0-4.
Under.
And the Gillick ships his ass outta here.
4-0 phils top 4
haha killer lineup. its all a gonz.
A win is a win.
5-1.
having a gonz in your lineup does wonders
phillies have the same record at the end of april as they did last year. this bodes well.
Quote from: MDS on April 30, 2006, 04:37:35 PM
having a gonz in your lineup does wonders
phillies have the same record at the end of april as they did last year. this bodes well.
Loved that error he made that knocked both him and Floyd out of the game.
EXCELLENT start by Floyd today. :yay
pitched better than the numbers indicate, even giving up the 1 run.
questionable use of gordon in a 4 run game with no day off this week, but hey, this is cholly.
gonzalez shouldnt make the trip to florida. call up danny sandoval. utley and rollins dont really need days off, and nunez can play first when howard needs a spell. gonzalez is a total minus. he makes them worse.
Quote from: MDS on April 30, 2006, 04:50:57 PM
questionable use of gordon in a 4 run game with no day off this week, but hey, this is cholly.
Don't necessarily blame him for that. Need to get out of Pittsburgh with a win. Put in Geary/Cormier/leave in Franklin, and chances are that Gordon would have been in the game with the quickness anyway.
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Charlie protects himself from the evil that is Alex Gonzalez
I'm ready for Bombard. Anyone else?
How that bumbling hick is still managing this team at this point is a testament to the putrid state of the Phillies organization.
Aside from Gillick, it's rotten from the top down.
Whats the deal with the massive love for Marc Bombard? I see people on both Phillies MBs pimping him too.
If they fire Charlie they should hire Lou Piniella.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 01:30:12 PM
Whats the deal with the massive love for Marc Bombard? I see people on both Phillies MBs pimping him too.
If they fire Charlie they should hire Lou Piniella.
Because he's a lesser known name and they want to act like they have insight. I'd rather have Piniella, personally. Either that or set my time machine back 2 years and hire Leyland.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 01:30:12 PM
Whats the deal with the massive love for Marc Bombard?
if they find out he has an accent, they'd probably change their minds
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2006, 01:30:12 PM
Whats the deal with the massive love for Marc Bombard? I see people on both Phillies MBs pimping him too.
If they fire Charlie they should hire Lou Piniella.
Does all the talk that Pinella overuses his arms worry you? That is about my only concern about Piniella. I would hate to shorten Floyd, Madson and Hamels career. I thought Bombard did a very good job in AAA and has a good relationship with the young nucleus. Need to use Bell and Lieby's money next year on pitching and bring up Coste and Ruiz.
Dontrelle Willis vs. Ryan Madson
Talk about your classic confrontation
Great play by Gonzalez at 1st. Pay attention to the safe runner running past you while ignoring the guy from second who comes around to score. Pathetic, he should be cut after the 3rd out.
Madson sucks
Holy shtein at that last play. Down 5-2, bases jammed, 2 outs, 0-2 count to Victorino. He hits a bloop past the diving 2nd baseman, it goes off his glove and 2 runs score. Marlins get caught off guard and Rollins sneaks home and makes an amazing dive past the outstretched catcher. Games tied 5-5.
What the farg was that play. Whatever, it worked.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 01, 2006, 09:03:37 PM
Holy shtein at that last play. Down 5-2, bases jammed, 2 outs, 0-2 count to Victorino. He hits a bloop past the diving 2nd baseman, it goes off his glove and 2 runs score. Marlins get caught off guard and Rollins sneaks home and makes an amazing dive past the outstretched catcher. Games tied 5-5.
That was an amazing play by future HOFer Jimmy Rollins. :o Heads up!
Watching the Florida feed, they showed poor Joe Girardi. He looked constipated. :-D
I think the odds of the Phillies winning this game are about 3.5 to 1.
well with walk machine arthur rhodes coming in that sounds about right
Burrell goes yard to deep center with a man on to make it 7-5, Rollins knocks in Gonzalez. 8-5.
Bums win 8-5
Florida's stadium was about as full as Cleveland's in Major League.
Delucci sucks.
wowie a win hooray, now get a streak going losers
announced attendance of 6000 :-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 01, 2006, 10:09:53 PM
announced attendance of 6000 :-D
Thats being generous
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 01, 2006, 10:09:53 PM
announced attendance of 6000 :-D
The FSL (A) Ft. Myers Miracle has had bigger crowds than that this year. :-D
Does anyone know what happened to friday baseball on WIP?
Yeah, it is no more. Didn't renew the contract.
Ryan Madson needs to go back to the BP.
Send his ass back to the pen and call up Hamels.
madson sucks as a starter.
And why is Cormier good again?
I missed the game tonight thanks to being on the 4-12 shift.
I read that Charlie read the team the riot act in the dugout and then after the terrible call on Victorino went out and got tossed.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 02, 2006, 03:27:52 AM
I read that Charlie read the team the riot act in the dugout and then after the terrible call on Victorino went out and got tossed.
He went apeshtein on the team....and then on the ump. Rightfully so, Victorino was safe by a mile. It was a horrible call.
Worst part of it was...farging ESPN had that play as a WebGem pimping Cabrera on it. Uhhh, dipshteins, it wasn't a great play, the guy SHOULD Have been safe. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 02, 2006, 09:08:06 AM
Worst part of it was...farging ESPN had that play as a WebGem pimping Cabrera on it. Uhhh, dipshteins, it wasn't a great play, the guy SHOULD Have been safe. ::)
Your expectations of ESPN are far too high.
I know, I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was.
I saw him going nuts in the dugout and yelling at people, and the players had a look of "WTF old man!" and were almost laughing. He was already pissed off then Angel Hernandez blew yet another call and tried to show him up out there. Not a good 10-minute span there... ;D
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LOL... the Ump is actually laughing at Cholly in the photo on the right.
:-D
During Charlie's walk back to the dugout, Angel was trying to keep from laughing at him. Nobody likes that guy...
well, you hear how he stutters when he's talking normal. imagine how bad it is when he's really pissed?
I read Cholly's lips and he must have said mother farger like 10 times in a 2 minute span.
I wonder if the dreaded "corksucker" came flying out?
As we all know from "Bull Durham" that's a big no-no.
Quote from: Philly Forever on May 02, 2006, 02:22:47 AM
Does anyone know what happened to friday baseball on WIP?
Hopefully WIP burned to the ground.
Hernandez is a smug little prick. Almost as bad as Dan Iassogna.
How about another win tonight, eh?
Rowand said that the team needed their asses chewed out.
Rowand must be sick to his stomach watching this team farg up night after night.
Man, going from a team that did all the little things right to a team that is a complete mess fundamentally must suck for a dood like him.
this team hasnt cared about winning and losing for a long time and dont expect it to change until theres a new manager and/or an influx of new players
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2006, 02:09:19 PM
this team hasnt cared about winning and losing for a long time and dont expect it to change until theres a new manager and/or an influx of new players owner
don't kid yourself that it's anything but the ownership
they're payroll has been top 5 the past couple years...the ownership isn't the problem, unless you are counting Montgomery, who I consider more management than ownership
you cant complain about the ownerships spending for the last several years...its been more than enough
im talking about the team that sits in the locker room right now....not the phillies franchise for the last 130 years...they dont have anyone on this team who is accountable for anything...and im not saying they arent playing to win...i also believe they want to win...but i also believe that they dont care if they lose...and thats not good
montgomery is part owner...so yes, he counts.
i dont give a shtein if they are top 5 or not. its was spent on 2 outside players in Wagner and Thome, and in the end they got shtein from wagner. other than that, they are top five because of the retarded contracts that burrell, bell, leiberthal and abreu got...and only abreu is deserving of the salary he got.
the ownership doesnt care. thome was only signed to generate revenue to build the phils overpriced pleasure palace.
they lower payroll, and raise ticket prices this past offseason. and they havent won a damn thing in 26 years.
other than 2nd rate jon leiber...there has been NO attempt to aquire good starting pitching...non at all...its the ryan franklins, arthor rhodes and cory lidles...
the ownership sucks....2 decades of incompetence is all you need to look at.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2006, 02:43:30 PM
you cant complain about the ownerships spending for the last several years...its been more than enough
i'm not complaining about the spending. i'm complaining that they are dumb fargs that are 100% about the money.
i would like to know if they are such big spenders...why NO starting pitcher was aquired this offseason, after they gave away padilla, and the starters were a weakness. and dont give me this franklin bull either...there was no intention of starting him, they've invested so much time into floyd he had to start, and for some reason they promised madsen.
2005 april 10-14....2006 april 10-14
but none of these game mean anything right now...yawn
I was at a bar last night watching the Yankees/Red Sox game with my buddies and some dude asked me why we got rid of Crazy Vicente. I honestly couldn't come up with a decent reason.
I figured Madson & Floyd would have to be better than him, and so far, I've been pretty wrong about that.
i have a problem with ownership in that they went with a incompetant at gm for so long...and i have a problem with the lack of moves this offseason...but overall there much more fundemental problems in the lockeroom with this team...and not because of a lack of talent
12-12 in april last year gets them in the playoffs
Cole Hammels today through 8:
1 hit, 1 walk, 9 k's, 99 pitches
That's ridiculous. :o
If he's pitching that well down there, there's no reason for him to be at AAA anymore.
yea another few starts like that and hes gonna have to come up. madson looks pretty zesty, could use him in the pen. floyd had the one good start, not ready to say hes safe just yet.
final line...
9 ip, 2 hits, 1 walk, 12 K's
114 pitches, 76 for strikes.
farging sick
floyd doesnt go anywhere...gotta let him go the rest of the season...see what he has and let him work thru any problems that arise
madson on the other hand can rot in the pen for the rest of his career for all i care...hamels definitely gets his spot
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 02, 2006, 04:10:06 PM
That's ridiculous. :o
If he's pitching that well down there, there's no reason for him to be at AAA anymore.
Yup, Madson, you just pulled bullpen duty. Go take a seat next to Rhodes.
Get Hammels up here now!
yikes those numbers are just plain sick.
if this team ruins hamels by letting him rot in the minors...i swear to god, i will be done the phils.
this is the one legit prospect they have had in years that they have coddled minor leaguers. barring injury...he is the real deal and should be an ace by 2008.
i see no reason not to call him up at seasons end. even now, considering there is no other Lefty starter...he cannot be worse than floyd, madsen or leiber have been.
Hamels line for the entire year so far? (Clearwater and Scranton Combined)
3-1 / 6 starts 36.1 innings / 10 walks / 55 Ks / 0.99 Era
Hamels @ SWB:
16 IP, 5 Hits, 1 BB, 26 K's, 0.00 ERA
:-D
and he's pitching in Scranton now, so they aren't worried about his back in the weather. there's nothing to say he can't get hurt just as easily in AAA as he can with the Phillies. bring him up. it worked for the Marlins when they brought up Willis, and that was from AA.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 02, 2006, 04:33:31 PM
Hamels @ SWB:
16 IP, 5 Hits, 1 BB, 26 K's, 0.00 ERA
:-D
Now that's just ridiculous. Moving Hammels up and putting Madson in the pen where he's needed is a no brainer. Of course we're dealing with the Phils here so....
The problem is this: Who would they drop down to the minors? All the pitchers they have in the bigs right now are so high-quality, so none of them deserve to be cut. STAR POWER
Geary
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 02, 2006, 04:36:21 PM
and he's pitching in Scranton now, so they aren't worried about his back in the weather. there's nothing to say he can't get hurt just as easily in AAA as he can with the Phillies. bring him up. it worked for the Marlins when they brought up Willis, and that was from AA.
actually they are...he's pitched only day games so far. although it's probably only a precaution at this point...his next start is a day game, 5/7 1:30pm...
Quote from: LeWingspan on May 02, 2006, 04:47:06 PM
actually they are...he's pitched only day games so far. although it's probably only a precaution at this point...his next start is a day game, 5/7 1:30pm...
isn't that just a coincidence? he's pitching every 5th day right?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 02, 2006, 04:44:43 PM
Geary
geary had a bad stretch in mid april, but since 4/18...he's only given up 1 run, and hasnt given one up in his last 4 appearances.
you have to send down floyd...and if he cant handle it...farg him. either that...or move madson to the pen, and send back condrey...and just cut santana when he comes off the DL
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 02, 2006, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: LeWingspan on May 02, 2006, 04:47:06 PM
actually they are...he's pitched only day games so far. although it's probably only a precaution at this point...his next start is a day game, 5/7 1:30pm...
isn't that just a coincidence? he's pitching every 5th day right?
it's every 5th day, and a coincidence that worked out in hamels favor. he waited 7 (maybe 6) days from his last clearwater outting to his first scranton outting to hit the 3 day games in a row. i have a friend that works for the red barons, thats why he was brought up to pitch then and not at the start of the season. by the time the day game stretch runs out...he should be healthy enough and it should be warm enough on most evenings that it wouldnt be a concern anymore.
i should make the 5/7 game to see him live :yay
**edit** waited an extra day before his last clearwater start to align with the day games
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 02, 2006, 04:43:44 PM
The problem is this: Who would they drop down to the minors? All the pitchers they have in the bigs right now are so high-quality, so none of them deserve to be cut. STAR POWER
Any pitcher besides Myers or Gordon will do.
Quote from: Philly Forever on May 02, 2006, 02:22:47 AM
Does anyone know what happened to friday baseball on WIP?
Not sure. But it's only Tuesday so I highly doubt it'd be on right now. ;)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 02, 2006, 04:33:31 PM
Hamels @ SWB:
16 IP, 5 Hits, 1 BB, 26 K's, 0.00 ERA
:-D
:drool
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 02, 2006, 04:40:27 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 02, 2006, 04:33:31 PM
Hamels @ SWB:
16 IP, 5 Hits, 1 BB, 26 K's, 0.00 ERA
:-D
Now that's just ridiculous. Moving Hammels up and putting Madson in the pen where he's needed is a no brainer. Of course we're dealing with the Phils here so....
.............they might trade him.
aaron rowand with the big hit. 7-5 now btm 8. ryan franklin coming in. joy.
how close did he come to the grand slam? on the gameday thing it had the ball landing past the wall.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on May 02, 2006, 09:56:02 PM
how close did he come to the grand slam? on the gameday thing it had the ball landing past the wall.
Almost to the warning track, might have hit it. It was hit to dead center.
Phils win 7-5
Gordon is the most dominant reliever in the game right now. Billy who?
12-14 baby, mets lost so their only 4.5 back now.. braves are tied up @4 in the 8th. if braves lose the phils hold sole possession of 2nd and face the braves twice to try to put some distance between em.
yeah im an idiot and still get false hope. the flyers and sixers are gone.. and the draft gives me a checker of how far the start of the nfl is. blah.
Gordon has been awesome this year. May be the only Phil to be.
No mention of Sal's awesome play? Hey...at least he didn't throw it to 2nd! :-D
Sal gets a free pass, Ed. He's gritty and buys pizzas. :yay
A few things:
1. Get Hamels here now.
2. Send Madson back to his bullpen spot
3. Franklin-Madson-Rhodes-Gordon is not too shabby. Obviously if Madson can pitch well in the pen, which I think he is best suited for now.
4. When Chris Booker is ready to come off the DL, bring him up too.
5. Send down Condrey and call up Hamels. Then you send Santana to AAA or release him. And when Chris Booker is ready you send down Geary. If Booker stinks it up, you bring Geary back.
6. Tom Gordon is absolutely farging SICK. He's throwing 95mph gas. He has a deadly 12-6 curve and an 89mph cutter than he can thank Mariano Rivera for. Holy shtein he's pitching well.
Rotation:
Lieber
Myers
Lidle
Floyd
Hamels
Bullpen:
Cormier
Fultz
Booker
Madson
Franklin
Rhodes
Gordon
I took the day off yesterday and went to see the Red Barons down here in Richmond. I actually saw the whole 4 game series which was cool. Hamels was unbelievable. Even when Richmond got their bats on him, it was like they were jammed. Roberson looked good in the field but still hasn't figured it out at the plate, especially if the Phils are looking for him to lead-off.
Anybody know anything about King? I thought Coste was the 3B of the future but they have him at first and Chris at 1B. Look for the Braves to bring up pitcher Anthony Lerew. He has some good stuff.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 03, 2006, 12:00:47 AM
No mention of Sal's awesome play? Hey...at least he didn't throw it to 2nd! :-D
I saw that. Reminiscent of Lonnie Smith's throwing.
I wanted to kill Sal on that play. Right after I stopped laughing at him. :-D :boom
Coste is 33 years old. His future likely lies in selling insurance.
coste will be released before the end of the season
PC - Roberson and Hamels are the only original Phils draft picks on that Red Barons team. The rest consists of castoffs from other teams. Although they may get a chance to help the main team during a DL stint or something, none of them are expected to do anything significant in the majors...
I can't see how Hamels will not be up here sooner or later. The starting pitching has been pretty bad. Kids gonna deserve a shot if he continues to absolitley dominate AAA.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 03, 2006, 11:19:37 AM
PC - Roberson and Hamels are the only original Phils draft picks on that Red Barons team. The rest consists of castoffs from other teams. Although they may get a chance to help the main team during a DL stint or something, none of them are expected to do anything significant in the majors...
Thanks Ed. I guess I was hoping King was an acquired good prospect. At least I got to see Hamels.
Nice win by the Phils, coming back after the Braves had taken the lead in the 8th. The old Braves don't blow that lead.
Big hit by Rowand, opposite field. :yay
Gordon has been money. :yay
And I had to laugh when Marcus Giles bounced off Ryan Howard on that ground ball in the 9th. Howard didn't move at all. He could be a run stopper for the Eagles. :-D
Rowand's one heck of a ballplayer. Gordon = lights out.
One thing made me chuckle tonight, having to watch the game on Turner South. :puke
When Andruw Jones struck out looking in the 8th, the announcers went OFF on how far outside the pitch was. Not that I don't agree, but I found it ironic that announcers for the team whose best pitchers for YEARS lived about 3-6 inches off that outside corner would ever complain about an outside strike.
I wouldn't expect anything different.
That pitch was well outside, maybe 6 inches or so. Who cares, I'll take it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 03, 2006, 10:14:15 PM
Gordon = lights out.
Wagner blew the save for the Mets tonight, btw.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 03, 2006, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 03, 2006, 10:14:15 PM
Gordon = lights out.
Wagner blew the save for the Mets tonight, btw.
I heard Wheels or Graham mention it.
Wheels did.
Looks like the same stuff as last year. Crappy April, then get hot in may and rip off like 10 straight. Haha.
I knew it was one of the douchbags.
Mutts won in extra innings. Delgado hit a walk-off dinger to end it.
Figures.
:P
At least that bitch Wagner blew another save.
I'm watching the replay on Comcast right now.
I just saw that pitch that Andruw got rung up on. And I agree with Whiz. Those Romes in ATL have been watching Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux get those pitches go their way for years. They can go farg themselves for crying about it.
Good to see another win.
That makes 3-0 since Charlie went off.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 03, 2006, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 03, 2006, 10:14:15 PM
Gordon = lights out.
Wagner blew the save for the Mets tonight, btw.
I again will give credit to Flash, I so far have been proven wrong.
i think it was known what Gordon could do if he stayed healthy...it was keeping him healthy that was cause for concern. but so far so good.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 04, 2006, 08:28:13 AM
i think it was known what Gordon could do if he stayed healthy...it was keeping him healthy that was cause for concern. but so far so good.
The last two years he's pitched in 80 and 79 games for the Yankees. You don't want your closer pitching in more than that anyway. He also was in 66 in 2003. The major injury problems were 1999-2002.
I know that age (38) is a factor, but he's been durable in the past several seasons.
cole hamels on WIP
He say anything good IGY?
not really...typical athlete speak
he did say that altho the on the field numbers dont show it his change-up is not nearly as good as it can be right now and its STILL his best pitch
Gotta offset all this happy talk with some good old negative points:
1) The starting pitching outside of Myers still sucks.
2) The bench is putrid.
3) Manuel is going to kill Gordons arm before July
4) Cole Hamels can pitch 8 perfect games in Scranton and he still won't be called up to the Phils because their organization is retarted
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2006, 10:13:28 AM
Gotta offset all this happy talk with some good old negative points:
1) The starting pitching outside of Myers still sucks.
2) The bench is putrid.
3) Manuel is going to kill Gordons arm before July
4) Cole Hamels can pitch 8 perfect games in Scranton and he still won't be called up to the Phils because their organization is retarted
Why your posts are just so much fun to laugh at.
1) The starting pitching outside of Myers still sucks.
Agreed...i would even say the same about lidle, because he isnt any better or worse than expected. but Leiber, Madson, Floyd are terrible.
2) The bench is putrid.
Also agreed...and this was supposed to be a strength. it's worse, at almost ever single spot on the bench.
3) Manuel is going to kill Gordons arm before July
If Gordon sucks, it's not manuel's fault. he was signed to be a closer. he's supposed to work that much, and if he cannot handle it, that is more on gillick for signing a 38 year old.
4) Cole Hamels can pitch 8 perfect games in Scranton and he still won't be called up to the Phils because their organization is retarted
i wouldnt call him up before june, i would give hamels 4 or 5 more starts at scranton, 3 at the least. if he continues to keep anything close to the pace he is on now, bring him up. however, if floyd and madson don't improve now, you wont have a choice but to bring him up.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 04, 2006, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2006, 10:13:28 AM
Gotta offset all this happy talk with some good old negative points:
1) The starting pitching outside of Myers still sucks.
2) The bench is putrid.
3) Manuel is going to kill Gordons arm before July
4) Cole Hamels can pitch 8 perfect games in Scranton and he still won't be called up to the Phils because their organization is retarted
Why your posts are just so much fun to laugh at.
you probably just answered your own question, sugarbottom. still waiting for you to write something about the flyers, kinda of funny of how you call losers like jam31 out when the ravens suck and he is nowhere to be found. yet, youre on this board all the time and when the flyers choke (again) you stay away from owning up to your lack of predicition skills. bwahaha.
As it took me for the Eagles, its taking me a few days to get over the Flyers.
You're not a hockey fan, so wtf do you even care?
Ha! Just talking to one of my co-workers (company is based in LA) and her best friend just got engaged to Chase Utley like 2 months ago. :-D
Pics?
What the F. This leaves Pat Burrell alone in the Phillies Sleazbag Hootchie Bang Team. Chase is taken and JMike is gone. Burrell gets all the drunken floozies at 2am to himself. Ha ha.
Pics?
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Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2006, 01:28:17 PM
What the F. This leaves Pat Burrell alone in the Phillies Sleazbag Hootchie Bang Team. Chase is taken and JMike is gone. Burrell gets all the drunken floozies at 2am to himself. Ha ha.
he'll have fun flingin bottle caps at the bridemaids.
Braves get 2 in the first. Then Rollins leads off with a HR to right.
bring on the dancing bears, weve got a crazy one tonight
I was listening to The Show (Rob Dibble and Kevin Kennedy on my way home from work today.
This idiot gets on, says that he is a Phillies fan but not one of "those Phillies fans," and says that he apologizes ahead of time for how Philly fans will treat Barry Bonds this weekend.
Whatta wuss! :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 04, 2006, 08:51:32 PM
I was listening to The Show (Rob Dibble and Kevin Kennedy on my way home from work today.
This idiot gets on, says that he is a Phillies fan but not one of "those Phillies fans," and says that he apologizes ahead of time for how Philly fans will treat Barry Bonds this weekend.
Whatta wuss! :-D
I might have to make the trip just so I can be "one of those Phillies fans" this weekend.
Howard hit a shot to left. 5-3 Phils. 1st and 2nd 1 out right now.
Know who's quietly having a decent season so far? Lieby. Got to give credit where its due.
Bums win! 5th in a row! Rhodes comes into the 9th and pitches a 1,2,3, inning for the save. 2 game sweep of the Braves! Woohoooo!
Back to .500 :yay
They're still zesty.
Two things I love about this win. One: the Phils didn't rely on the long ball and got most of the RISP in.
Two: Gordon got to sit (which he needs to do a lot more) and watch Rhodes handle the 9th with ease. They actually looked like a baseball team tonight.
I am investing in Tivo soon. I can't stand missing all of these games. I the outcome and I have to watch them be replayed at 0130 and thats only if they are on CSN.
Anyways,
1. Hamels needs to be called up to take Madson's next start. Let's keep this winning streak going. Because if Madson goes out there and gets bombed again I will be angry. Put him back in the pen. Let Cole Hamles be the Dontrelle of 2003 this year. That means we win the Series. :D
2. Do not underestimate the power of Uncle Charlie gettin' on yo ass. Since he flipped his lid they have gone 5-0. Way to go, Charlie. Maybe these guys needed the good ol' boy to get crazy on them.
3. Lieby is hitting for contact well. He has no power and that botched pop-up tonight was Bad News Bears like. But at least Harry called out waste of space David Bell on that one.
4. Aaron Rowand is showing what he means to a team. He has helped them out a ton this year.
5. Pat needs to start hitting with runners in scoring position! He is batting .194.
Where's the public outcry about Burrell being unclutch? Where are the thousands of radio callers at screaming for Pat because he's a lazy bum who can't come through with RISP?
By the way, Bobby is hitting .429 with RISP.
Get yer batteries out, Philadelphia. Barrylco is coming to town.
Tony Bruno was pretty funny this morning about the whole Barry to PHL thing. He said to go buy the cheap d-cells and have at it.
:-D If there ever was time to go JD Drew on someone.......
the barry bonds hate is despicable
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2006, 07:57:46 AM
the barry bonds hate is despicable
I disagree, that arrogant lying prick gets everything he deserves.
is he a prick probably...but hes no more or less a prick than anyone else
but now just because hes coming to philly and the media is hyping it up everyone gotta jump on the barry bonds is the worst human ever bandwagon...oooh some talk show host said throw batteries at him...lets go get em boys...the sad truth is all these weak ass kids who talk shtein on bonds like hes satan himself arent gonna do a damn thing tonight including watch the game.....if ive said it once ive said it a million times..bored white teenagers with nothing else to do should be put in a big blender and fed to the homeless
what did barry bonds do differently than that of hundreds of other major leaguers in the steroid era....he hit 712 homers thats what...period
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2006, 08:08:20 AM
is he a prick probably...but hes no more or less a prick than anyone else
but now just because hes coming to philly and the media is hyping it up everyone gotta jump on the barry bonds is the worst human ever bandwagon...oooh some talk show host said throw batteries at him...lets go get em boys...the sad truth is all these weak ass kids who talk shtein on bonds like hes satan himself arent gonna do a damn thing tonight including watch the game.....if ive said it once ive said it a million times..bored white teenagers with nothing else to do should be put in a big blender and fed to the homeless
what did barry bonds do differently than that of hundreds of other major leaguers in the steroid era....he hit 712 homers thats what...period
Calm down there, tiger. I've said a million times Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, and Palmeiro should all have asteriks next to their names. The reason I hate Bonds more than any of those players, is his arrogance towards the fans and the media. Would I go down to the stadium to chuck batteries at him? No. Would I go down there to boo the ever loving shtein out of him? Yup.
Calm down there, tiger. I've said a million times Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, and Palmeiro should all have asteriks next to their names.
i totally understand that argument but i dont agree because i believe the steroid era itself will judge those players so theres no need for taking away records and using asteriks...because if you do that you open up a huge can of worms...dont you then have to start putting asteriks next to win loss records...even world series wins...people will always know the steroid era was bogus and the players in it will be judged accordingly...its almost a worse fate to have a record that isnt taken seriously as opposed to having it taken away from you....kinda like rotting in a jaill for all eternity vs getting the death penalty tommorow
anyway my beef is why does barry bonds get more hate than all the players you mentioned ablve plus everyone else in the steroid era combined...thats what i think is disgraceful...its just epople jumping on bonds because its the thing to do right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2006, 08:08:20 AM
bored white teenagers with nothing else to do should be put in a big blender and fed to the homeless
So, what were you like as a teen? I'd assume you'd be blender mush if the world worked on your philosophy.
Barry Bonds is a prick and a liar. It would be one thing if he came clean about the sterroids and said that he had to do it to compete against all the other players that were doing it. Instead, he continues to be truculent with the media and lie about his past vehemontly. I hate him more than all the other 'roid monkeys, because he's got his name all over the record books and is about to pass the best hitter in major league history in homers.
Bonds, and your inflated opinion of him, could explode into tiny bits, and the world would be a better place.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2006, 08:08:20 AM
..bored white teenagers with nothing else to do should be put in a big blender and fed to the homeless
Why the bored white ones? Are the black/hispanic/asian ones already in jail?
Phillies fans should show some class even if Bonds is a jerkwad.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 05, 2006, 08:21:29 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2006, 08:08:20 AM
bored white teenagers with nothing else to do should be put in a big blender and fed to the homeless
So, what were you like as a teen? I'd assume you'd be blender mush if the world worked on your philosophy.
Barry Bonds is a prick and a liar. It would be one thing if he came clean about the sterroids and said that he had to do it to compete against all the other players that were doing it. Instead, he continues to be truculent with the media and lie about his past vehemontly. I hate him more than all the other 'roid monkeys, because he's got his name all over the record books and is about to pass the best hitter in major league history in homers.
Bonds, and your inflated opinion of him, could explode into tiny bits, and the world would be a better place.
Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
The fact that he put a therapeutic recliner in front of his locker didn't help my opinion of him much either.
i could care less about bonds...its the steroid era that i despise
holding a record is not a reason to hate bonds more than lenny dykstra dave hollins or mark mcgwire...all those players lied and cheated just as much as bonds...they just arent nearly as good at baseball
jose canseco is the only player i can see getting a pass here if you judge someone by admittance
I hate all those guys, but I hate Bonds more.
Holding a record should make a difference, because while the 1993 Phillies would have been about 62-100 without steroids, they also ended up not winning the Series anyway. Bonds has his name splashed all over the books, and he's a fleshpophead who took a hell of a lot of steroids. I hope his heart explodes.
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uhhhhh what the hell, way to make baseball gay
QuotePhillies fans vent displeasure at Bonds
Associated Press
PHILADELPHIA -- Barry Bonds got another rude welcome in a city known for its boorish behavior.
In his first game on the East Coast this season, the San Francisco Giants' slugger was greeted with the familiar boos that have followed him wherever he's played -- except at home.
"You stink, loser," a fan yelled as Bonds walked to the plate in the first inning of Friday night's game against the Philadelphia Phillies.
The boos grew louder when Bonds stepped into the batter's box and they quickly turned to cheers when he flied out to center field on the first pitch. Bonds heard it again in the third inning, when he was intentionally walked with a runner on second and one out.
With Bonds in left field, fans in the bleachers behind him chanted "Just retire" and "Just inject me." A long banner in left field read: "Ruth did it on hot dogs and beer." Many carried signs that had simple asterisks on them.
One guy wore a fat suit that was supposed to represent Bonds with the Giants, while his skinny friend was the pre-pumped Bonds with the Pirates.
Alex Bues, a college student in Philadelphia originally from Connecticut, wasn't allowed to bring in a sign that read: "Got Roids?" However, someone else had a sign that said: "Got Juice?"
Bues wore a white T-shirt in which he wrote in orange and black marker, "Giant Cheater" on the front and "Disgrace" on the back above the No. 25.
Bonds entered with 712 home runs, trailing only Babe Ruth's 714 and Hank Aaron's 755.
Bonds has been a target for criticism throughout his career, especially now that he's facing lingering questions about steroids. A federal grand jury in San Francisco is investigating whether Bonds lied under oath when he said he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs.
Fans have vilified Bonds everywhere he's gone this season. But this is his first trip to a northeast city, where fans are generally more passionate and emotional. In Philly, they're always on the edge, mostly because the city hasn't celebrated a championship since the 76ers won the NBA title in 1983.
These fans will always be remembered for booing Santa Claus during halftime of an Eagles game during a 2-12 season in 1968.
They once cheered the temporary paralysis of Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Michael Irvin, tossed batteries at St. Louis Cardinals outfielder J.D. Drew and always give their own players a hard time when they fail to deliver in clutch situations or appear to not give an all-out effort.
Bonds first emerged from the dugout at 5:39 p.m., walked to a spot behind the batting cage and stood there for a few minutes chatting with a Phillies coach. He waved to fans who hollered his name as he walked out to left field, where most of the anti-Bonds fans were located.
An obese man wearing a sleeveless cut-off T-shirt yelled: "Barry, your head is shrinking." A few minutes later, the same guy admitted he wished he looked more like Bonds instead of a reject from a beer-league softball team.
"You see those arms? They're bigger than my legs," the hefty fan marveled.
While the haters took their shots at Bonds, other fans gathered in the right-field bleachers, hoping for a souvenir. Bonds launched several drives into the stands during batting practice and one teenager drew loud cheers for using his Phillies cap to catch one of the homers.
Another teenager wearing a Yankees jersey and cap caught two of Bonds' batting-practice shots. He planned to save those balls for quite a while.
Some fans didn't understand the hype surrounding Bonds' pursuit of Ruth.
"Why is there such a big deal about this? He's not breaking a record. He's going to be in second place, not first place," a fan wearing a Bonds jersey said.
Sports radio host Howard Eskin of WIP-AM in Philadelphia spent the past week telling fans they should walk out of their seats, turn their backs to Bonds and go up to the concession stands when he bats. It didn't seem many listened.
"I don't understand the outrage," a caller to the station said earlier in the day. "Why should I boo Bonds? I didn't boo Mark McGwire. I didn't boo Sammy Sosa. I didn't boo Brady Anderson. I think they used steroids."
Bonds got loud boos when the lineups were introduced before the game, though there was a smattering of cheers. Most saved their best for the first inning.
In San Francisco's season opener at San Diego, a fan tossed a syringe near Bonds as he came off the field in between innings. They stuck to hurling insults in Philly -- at least early in the game.
Die AP.
well actually they got 2/3 of the facts right. kinda. the santa thing obviously has been blown out of proportation, but they did mention it was 1968. the irvin thing im proud of and id do it again. and it was one fan who threw the batteries a drew, and he deserved it. not as bad as some other articles have been, but this ridiculous thing has been played to the upmost degree.
as for the game, farg bonds. 8-3 phils. 6 in a row.
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hell yeah
That is a great sign, Reminiscent of the Vet :yay
Wagner gave up a go-ahead HR to Wilson Betemit in the 11th inning... 8)
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 05, 2006, 10:53:08 PM
Wagner gave up a go-ahead HR to Wilson Betemit in the 11th inning... 8)
Mets win in the 14th 8-7
Lieberthal was placed on the 15 day DL (knee). farger just starts to play well and now he pulls this shtein.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 06, 2006, 12:00:07 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 05, 2006, 10:53:08 PM
Wagner gave up a go-ahead HR to Wilson Betemit in the 11th inning... 8)
Mets win in the 14th 8-7
Lieberthal was placed on the 15 day DL (knee). farger just starts to play well and now he pulls this shtein.
I'm guessing it's because of that pitch he took from Thompson in the knee last night (Thurs). I can't stand the guy but I give him some credit for getting up and heading down to 1st base. There's no way in hell that felt good at all. Too bad he didn't get hit earlier before he dropped the pop up on the 3rd base line. :boom
1. I've actually met Barry Bonds several times. In person he is a nice guy. My former stepdad's co-pilot in the Army played minor league ball with Barry and they are close friends. We went to HOU to see Barry several times and hung out afterwards. He was pretty cool.
Now, I totally despise him and McGwire and the rest of the losers who juiced up. But I don't think that should give people a free pass to throw things. Taunt him and boo him and put up signs and all that good stuff. Because he deserves it.
2. The writer who wrote that AP story is Rob Maadi. He appears on Phillyburbs.com and is from the Philly area. Thanks for the cliched rip job, Rob. Now go die.
3. As well as Lieby has been playing, lets not get overboard here. He was hitting +.300 but he has no power and no run production. And his defense, throwing and pitch calling has still been bad.
4. Carlos Ruiz, who has been playing very well in SWB, has been called up and will catch Ryan Madson tonight.
5. Speaking of Madson, this is his last chance. I actually think Hamels should be making the start tonight. But its obvious he won't be. So I will root for Madson to turn it around, but he belongs in the bullpen.
6. Gavin Floyd threw well tonight. He now has 3 wins and has gone 6+ in three of his last four starts.
7. Burrell got hurt tonight. Tight hamstring sliding into 2nd on a potential DP ball by Howard. I'm sure he has some hottie rubbing it down for him tonight.
8. Chase Utley has the raccoon eyes in that calendar photo. Take off the glasses once in awhile, Chase.
9. Nice to see Billy Wags fargin up again. He will be in town next week.
10. The Phillies bullpen has allowed 1 run in the last 20 innings. :o
1 game above .500. Now back to the basement with them.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 06, 2006, 12:00:07 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 05, 2006, 10:53:08 PM
Wagner gave up a go-ahead HR to Wilson Betemit in the 11th inning... 8)
Mets win in the 14th 8-7
Lieberthal was placed on the 15 day DL (knee). farger just starts to play well and now he pulls this shtein.
yeah...he did it on purpose ::)
Quote from: Wingspan on May 06, 2006, 10:32:02 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 06, 2006, 12:00:07 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 05, 2006, 10:53:08 PM
Wagner gave up a go-ahead HR to Wilson Betemit in the 11th inning... 8)
Mets win in the 14th 8-7
Lieberthal was placed on the 15 day DL (knee). farger just starts to play well and now he pulls this shtein.
yeah...he did it on purpose ::)
Is that a PG mock or do you not realize I was being facetious?
QuoteThese fans will always be remembered for booing Santa Claus during halftime of an Eagles game during a 2-12 season in 1968.
actually considering it was 1968...theres a chance that most of those fans are dead now.
we never would have let santa get out so easily today.
the phils will be ten or more games back by june 10th....book it
I can't believe anyone is defending Barry Bonds here.
He's a complete piece of shtein as a human being and a balls-out cheater between the lines.
He should be banned from the sport forever and his records should be stripped from him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2006, 03:08:49 AM
1. I've actually met Barry Bonds several times. In person he is a nice guy. My former stepdad's co-pilot in the Army played minor league ball with Barry and they are close friends. We went to HOU to see Barry several times and hung out afterwards. He was pretty cool.
Odd, since most people who have met him in real life say he's a complete piece of shtein.
I've read and heard from various writers that Bonds can be Jekyll and Hyde. He can be engaging, and even charming, on occasion, and can just as easily be abrasive or sullen.
For my opinion: Boo? Heck, who am I to tell a Philly fan not to boo? But throwing objects at a player should never be done under any circumstances.
unless its a nice thick d-cell
Bonds is a jerkoff and a cheater.
Why MLB is allowing him anywhere near the field at this point is beyond me. I suspect that they're afraid of the public outcry that would ensue from certain quarters if he was shown the door but rather than standing on principles, they'll simply sweep it under the rug and move on.
I suspect he's about done anyway and simply wants to pass Ruth for his own selfish reasons most of which can only be speculated about...
To wit:
Quote"755 isn't a number that's always caught my eye--the only number I'm concerned with is Babe Ruth's. As a left-handed hitter, I wiped him out. That's it. And in the baseball world, Babe Ruth's everything, right? I got his (single season) slugging percentage, I got him on on-base, I got him on walks and then I'll take his (lifetime) home run record and that's it. Don't talk about him no more."
Sorry, Barry... you'll never be Babe Ruth any more than you'll be a truly great man like Hank Aaron. You'll always be the same spoiled rotten brat you've always been no matter how many juiced-up homers you hit or fraudulent records you produce. If you weren't such a miserable piece of garbage as a human being, there'd be a chance the sporting public would care.
Utley goes deep to right in the 1st. 1-0 Phils.
Asterickman walked his first AB and almost misplayed a Rollins shot to left.
Bonds 2nd AB he hits into a 6-5-3 DP.
Sorry, Barry... you'll never be Babe Ruth
thank god for barry...ruth is one of the most despicable athletes of all time...racist woman hating alcoholic and who was as big a jerk if not more so than bonds
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2006, 07:55:58 PM
Sorry, Barry... you'll never be Babe Ruth
thank god for barry...ruth is one of the most despicable athletes of all time...racist woman hating alcoholic and who was as big a jerk if not more so than bonds
That pretty much sums it up. Baseball speaking Ruth is sitting on top of the mountain but let's not pretend that the guy was a saint or anything even close to it. Ruth, Cobb and many other of the original "heroes" of baseball were asshats like many of today's greats.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2006, 07:55:58 PM
Sorry, Barry... you'll never be Babe Ruth
thank god for barry...ruth is one of the most despicable athletes of all time...racist woman hating alcoholic and who was as big a jerk if not more so than bonds
Ruth was a womanizing alcoholic slob but I don't remember him being a racist. Sure you're not thinking of Cobb? And aside from being all those things, Ruth never took a performance enhancing substance and was also responsible for revolutionizing the HR in baseball.
Rowand just got tossed, he was dropping some F-bombs at the home plate ump.
read 'the life that ruth built' and some other historical writings on ruth...he wasnt as overt as cobb was in his bigotry but he most definitely did not like the brother man
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2006, 08:33:19 PM
read 'the life that ruth built' and some other historical writings on ruth...he wasnt as overt as cobb was in his bigotry but he most definitely did not like the brother man
Not saying this excuses his racist behavior but in those days being that way was much more accepted than it is today.
well that makes me all warm and fuzzy inside about the babe
The big difference between the two aside from the steroids is the fans and media loved Ruth. He was king. If Bonds didn't have the personality of an icehole maybe more fans would embrace him.
I just want to know how a guy that's been deceased for nearly sixty years could have his own website (http://www.baberuth.com/)?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 06, 2006, 08:51:51 PM
I just want to know how a guy that's been deceased for nearly sixty years could have his own website (http://www.baberuth.com/)?
Tupac's still making records
Madson amazes me, he gives up 8 hits and 4 walks in 7 but no runs(check that, the runner he left on 2nd scored so that was credited to him). The Giants were knocking his pitches all over the place but couldn't produce a run. Phils played some solid D in front of him tonight, you can tell they play extra heads up when he's on the mound.
Cormier comes in for relief.
Bums win! That makes is 7 straight. Lady luck was in our corner tonight. Gordon with another 1-2-3 9th.
Just got back from the game. Good fun all around. Got to vent some anger on Bonds, not like he gave two shteins. Some douche in a Hawaiin shirt two sections over tried to get the wave started. He gave it a valiant effort, but it just never came to fruition. So, he kept trying. That prompted a very loud "wave guy sucks" chant. The look on his stupid face was priceless.
Bonds is an absolute albatross to his team. He can't hit anymore, he can't even move. He's a total liability everywhere on the field. I give the guy another month to pick up the hitting, and then I'd bench him. He does nothing outside of the occasional steroid enduced homer to help the team. Like Favre, he ought to just retire.
Anyone catch Ryan's Hawaiins tonight? I was sitting about two runs in front of them. $12 seats, baby.
The Ryan's Hawaiians group is embarassing. Is it Howard or Madson? All out gayness on that one.
Madson was lucky as hell tonight. How many baserunners did he allow? Lucky.
But I'll take it! I still think Hamels needs to get the call.
Carlos Ruiz looked good tonight behind the plate.
Aaron Rowand getting thrown out was another instance of the umpires being total douchebags.
Barry looks bad. That play where he tried to jump over Finley's grounder and the play where he got lucky and caught Jimmy's ball in LF showed that his mobility is shot.
Time for Lieber to get off the schnide tomorrow night and get us #8 in a row.
Oh, and Tom Gordon is straight nasty. I keep saying this, but holy shtein that guy has some killer stuff.
Didn't get to see the game (WHY am I paying $$$ for Extra Innings when it doesn't show Harry the K? :boom :boom :boom). Good to see the Phils stay hot.
Utley is stinging the ball lately. Rollins needs to get back to the small ball that made him so dangerous during his hitting streak. Bell sucks.
Phreak: I haven't seen the last couple of Madsen starts (basically since his implosion). Is his problem mainly his stuff not being sharp or is it mainly location? I really had high hopes for him coming into this season.
I don't see Hamels coming before June, if he even comes at all before Sept. 1. The Phils don't operate that way, much to my chagrin. If he does, it's a sign that Gillick does indeed have a lot of say. I say keep Floyd- he's looked decent his last two starts. If Madsen continues to struggle, send him to the pen (I have to wonder if there's something up with his arm).
Why does April hate the Phillies so much the last few years? :boom
April 2006: 10-14
April 2005: 10-14
April 2004: 10-11
Whiz,
The problem with Madson has been location, location, location. He cannot, for whatever reason, locate his fastball. And since that is every pitchers bread and butter, it is getting him into trouble. His curveball isn't sharp and since his fastball is erratic his change-up isn't as effective as it could be.
He's got good velocity on the number one, but he cannot throw it for strikes consistently.
He's basically relying on his junk pitches to get him through games. Because even when he does get the fastball over it is getting hit because its down the middle.
I also think that being a starter and having to be more strategic in his approach is something that he is struggling with. As you know, as a starting pitcher you have to think ahead and set hitter up. And you have to be ready for their adjustments on the second, third and fourth times to the plate. Madson seems to be struggling there too.
He, in my opinion, is best suited for the "rock and fire" mentality of the bullpen. Get the ball, toe the rubber and make your pitch and get that one or two innings out of the way.
As for Hamels;
Charlie says he is campaigning for him. And the biggest problem we had in the past with our prospects was Ed Wade being too protective of them. Gillick wants to win. So I think that Pat will not be as reluctant to call up Cole once he meets whatever criteria Pat has set for him in his mind.
Whiz,
The problem with Madson has been location, location, location. He cannot, for whatever reason, locate his fastball. And since that is every pitchers bread and butter, it is getting him into trouble. His curveball isn't sharp and since his fastball is erratic his change-up isn't as effective as it could be.
He's got good velocity on the number one, but he cannot throw it for strikes consistently.
He's basically relying on his junk pitches to get him through games. Because even when he does get the fastball over it is getting hit because its down the middle.
I also think that being a starter and having to be more strategic in his approach is something that he is struggling with. As you know, as a starting pitcher you have to think ahead and set hitter up. And you have to be ready for their adjustments on the second, third and fourth times to the plate. Madson seems to be struggling there too.
He, in my opinion, is best suited for the "rock and fire" mentality of the bullpen. Get the ball, toe the rubber and make your pitch and get that one or two innings out of the way.
As for Hamels;
Charlie says he is campaigning for him. And the biggest problem we had in the past with our prospects was Ed Wade being too protective of them. Gillick wants to win. So I think that Pat will not be as reluctant to call up Cole once he meets whatever criteria Pat has set for him in his mind.
One more thought (and a Phillies history lesson):
Right now, the Phils have THREE starters with an ERA over 6: Jon Lieber (6.87), Gavin Floyd (6.16) and Ryan Madsen (6.82).
The Phils' pitching staff right now is almost as bad as 1930 (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/UPPHI01930.htm), when the TEAM ERA was 6.17. The "ace" that year was Phil Collins (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pcollp102.htm) (no, not the singer), who went 16-11 with a 4.78 ERA. Surprisingly enough, the perenially cash-strapped Phils didn't sell him to the highest bidder. The rotation was rounded out by Ray Benge (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pbengr101.htm) (11-15, 5.70), Leo Sweetland (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Psweel101.htm) (7-15, 7.71), Claude Willoughby (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pwillc102.htm) (4-17, 7.59). Hap Elliott (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pellih102.htm) (6-11, 7.67) started 11 games for the Phils, and seven other pitchers started games (ranging from 1 to 9 starts). The ONLY pitcher to post an ERA below 4.00 was John Milligan (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pmillj110.htm) (1-2, 3.18). The problem? He only pitched in 9 games, with 2 starts. That taste should have been enough to keep Milligan in the Phils' plans in '31, though- right? Think again: He pitched in a total of THREE games in 1931 (no starts, 0-0, 3.38 in 8 innings) and was never seen in Philly again.
Unfortunately, the woeful pitching staff sabotaged one of the best team offenses in baseball, led by Hall of Famer Chuck Klein (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pkleic101.htm) (40 HR, 170 RBI, .386 AVG), Lefty O'Doul (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Podoul101.htm) (22, 97 and .383) and Pinky Whitney (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pwhitp103.htm) (8, 117, .342), the Phils hit .315 as a team (2nd to the New York Giants' .319 that year), with 345 doubles (2nd to St. Louis), 143 homers (2nd to Chicago) and 944 runs (4th). Even with that relatively prolific offense, the Phils were outscored by 255 runs!
The 1930 Phillies final record: 52-102, dead last, a mere 40 games behind the pennant-winning St. Louis Cardinals. Philly fans didn't care, though: The Philadelphia Athletics won 102 games and the World Series over St. Louis in 6 games. The Athletics scored seven more runs than the Phils (951), but allowed 448 less runs. The A's ERA of 4.28 was the 2nd lowest in the AL (only the Washington Senators posted an ERA below 4, at 3.96). The Athletics featured Hall of Famers Mickey Cochrane (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pcochm101.htm), Jimmy Foxx (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pfoxxj101.htm), Al Simmons (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Psimma101.htm), Lefty Grove (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pgrovl101.htm) (who won 28 games that season), and manager Connie Mack (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pmackc101.htm) that year. Eddie Collins (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/Pcolle101.htm) was a player-coach (only played 3 games).
The Athletics' attendance in 1930 (Shibe Park- later Connie Mack Stadium): 721,663 (9,372 per game, 2nd in AL (Yankees), 4th in MLB (Cubs, Dodgers). The Athletics actually had more attendance in 1930 than Baseball Heaven did for the Cardinals (508,501)- and Browns (152,088)- combined.
The Phillies' attendance in 1930 (Baker Bowl): 299,007 (3,833 per game): Last in NL, 2nd to last in MLB (St. Louis Browns).
We kept the wrong team. :-\ ;)
Another interesting tidbit: The 1930 World Series was the Athletics' 5th and last in Philly (1910, 1911, 1913, 1929, 1930).
At the time, the Yankees only had three (1923, 1926, 1927). :'(
The 1931 A's won the AL pennant, but lost the World Series to St. Louis. The A's then began the slide into obscurity as Mack had to sell players to stay afloat, much like the Phillies, except that until 1931 Mack usually did it better.
I believe that what saved the Phillies in Philadelphia was the Carpenter family buying the Phils in 1943. In 1942, the league took away the franchise from Gerry Nugent (paying $250,000 and assuming $300,000 in debts) and sold it to William Cox. In true Phillies' fashion, Cox lost the team after one season when it was found that he had placed bets- on the Phillies (being a smart money guy, I am assuming the the bets were against the team, but I don't know for certain). Bob Carpenter, Sr. then bought the team for his son, Bob Carpenter Jr., and the golden age of Phillies baseball was about ready to begin.
That, along with Mack no longer being able to acquire talent (advancing age may have had something to do with this, as the grand old man didn't step down as manager until age 88). With the rise of the Whiz Kids in the late 1940s, culminating in the pennant in 1950, the fortunes of the two teams had reversed, and it would be the A's that would leave for Kansas City after the 1954 season after the Mack family sold the team to Arnold Johnson (who had to sell Yankee Stadium to buy the team). There had been a feud among the family members, who had basically forced Mack out and taken over, and had to sell because they could no longer service the immense debt that had been accumulated.
If a team had moved before about 1944, it would have definitely been the Phillies. 1943 was the first year that the Phillies outdrew the Athletics at Shibe Park, and the first time at all since 1920 (when the Phils still played at Baker Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Bowl) before moving to Shibe Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibe_Park) in 1938)- and the Phils dropped below 200,000 fans three separate times in the 1930s (1933, 1934, 1938). By the last year the A's were in Philadelphia (1954), it was the Phils that were the darlings of the city, outdrawing the Athletics by more than 2 to 1 (738,991 to 304,666). The Phils cleared 1 million fans in 1950 (and led the league in attendance that year) and would not dip below 700,000 fans in the decade (and not until the woeful Phils teams of the early 1960s).
One last tidbit before I retire for the night:
Look at a diagram of old Baker Bowl (the Phils' home from 1887-1938):
(http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Diag/BakerBowl.gif)
Think Bobby Abreu and Chase Utley would like to hit in that stadium? :o
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Baker_Bowl_aerial1.JPG)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2006, 11:05:53 PMTime for Lieber to get off the schnide tomorrow night and get us #8 in a row.
He won his last start in Florida, now 1-4 on the year. He really could use a good start and a win, though.
There were a bunch of Giants fans there, or maybe they were just Bonds fans. Normally don't see too many visiting fans at baseball games, save for their pathetic NJ Muts fans who are too afraid to go to Queens and instead infultrate our city and the Red Sox fans when they come here (but we return the favor and take over Fenway, so its all good).
A group of guys where wearing big cardboard "Juicy Juice" boxes around their bodies with Bonds written underneath. Took way too much time for somethat that wasn't that funny. Did see a good sign though, someone held up "Theres a dead hooker in my trunk" over in LF at the end of the game. I laughed at that one.
Speaking of the A's, my Uncle Edward was the bat boy for those World Series teams in 1929 & 1930. You should see the collection of memorabilia my cousins have from that era. Unreal.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 07, 2006, 07:49:31 AM
Speaking of the A's, my Uncle Edward was the bat boy for those World Series teams in 1929 & 1930. You should see the collection of memorabilia my cousins have from that era. Unreal.
I was told that my great uncle was a scout for the old A's. That would have been in the 40s and 50s, I believe.
wasn't sure if I should put this here or in the rest of baseball thread, but here goes:
QuoteWagner tosses verbal fire at the Phils
The Mets closer says it was "24 against one" in the clubhouse last season.
By Jim Salisbury
Inquirer Staff Writer
NEW YORK - Three days before returning to Citizens Bank Park in a New York Mets uniform, outspoken former Phillies closer Billy Wagner yesterday painted a grim picture of his final weeks in the team's clubhouse last year.
"I knew I was not well-liked there," he said, referring to his former teammates. "I felt like an outsider."
Worse, Wagner said, he got the feeling late in the season that his teammates, whom he described as overly sensitive about media coverage, were just waiting to see him fail.
Wagner said he became "everyone's least favorite Phillie in the clubhouse" after he called his teammates on the carpet for their spiritless play in an interview that appeared July 1 in The Inquirer.
In response to Wagner's critical comments, former teammate Kenny Lofton called a team meeting in the weight room. Wagner described the meeting as "24 against one," and added that Pat Burrell called him a "rat" during the meeting.
"I had no problem with what was said to me," Wagner said. "It was their right. I can take criticism."
Wagner said manager Charlie Manuel had no qualms with what the closer said in the interview. In fact, Wagner said, there were several occasions last season when Manuel, frustrated with the team's lackadaisical play, urged Wagner to step up and say something to rouse teammates.
Told of Wagner's comment, Manuel said: "The only thing I ever said to Billy was, 'If you've got something to say, say it.' If he took it that way, I don't know why."
Six days ago, Manuel did his own talking and erupted on this year's team in the dugout in Miami. For Wagner, that brought back memories of his speaking out last year.
"Me and Placido Polanco used to talk about it all the time last year," Wagner said. "Something needed to be said. I was trying to be a leader. I wasn't trying to say, 'You stink.' I was trying to say, 'We need to get going.' I wanted to win.
"Charlie was great. He always had my back."
Wagner said some of his former teammates did not have his back, and he sensed they believed he deserved his late-season failures against Houston. He was the losing pitcher on Sept. 6 and 7.
On Sept. 7, in the heat of a pennant race, he surrendered a two-out, ninth-inning, three-run home run to Houston's Craig Biggio after David Bell committed an error to extend the game. The Phillies lost, 8-6.
"After I called them out, they were waiting for me to fall flat," Wagner said. "In my mind, when I went out to the mound, they were waiting for me to go in the tank. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I got."
Pitcher Brett Myers reacted angrily to that observation.
"That's a stupid comment," Myers said. "I can't believe he said that. We missed the playoffs by one game last year. Yeah, we cared if he blew a save. Maybe he didn't care. Maybe that was it. Maybe that's why he's saying this. That's a cop-out."
After blowing the save against Houston on Sept. 7, Wagner said only one person stopped by his locker to show him support - Manuel.
"I heard from more Astros players," Wagner said. "Guys from Houston called me and said, 'Keep going.' "
Wagner said he was hurt by his teammates' lack of support and added that he's loving life with the Mets because the team is like a family.
"There was no support there," he said of the Phillies' clubhouse. "As soon as the game was over, everyone was gone and I was there by myself."
Wagner saved 38 games and blew just three last season. After games, good or bad, he always was available to speak with reporters. He still wonders why he and the game's starting pitchers (except for Vicente Padilla) were often the only ones willing to do that.
"They worry too much about the media," Wagner said. "Not every player is going to have a good season, and when you can't handle criticism, it makes it harder. Sometimes guys felt the media was after them. If they had a good game, they'd say, '[Forget] them. Boycott them.' It was frustrating because the starting pitcher and I always had to go out there and take the beating."
His complaints about his former teammates aside, Wagner said playing in Philadelphia was a good experience, that it toughened his skin. He added that he has some good relationships with people in Philadelphia and is looking forward to seeing old teammates Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, Jon Lieber and Bobby Abreu. He did not mention Burrell. There's no love lost there.
Wagner will not fire any warning shots at Burrell if he faces him in the three-game series, which begins Tuesday.
"I don't play silly games," he said. "I'll just have to get him out. I'm sure it would mean more to him to hit a home run off me than it would to me to get him out. But it'll be a long [home-run] trot if he does hit one out. I wouldn't expect anything else."
Said Burrell: "Billy's one of the best closers in the game. I really have nothing to say. Hopefully, he's happier over there."
whiny bitch
I can't wait to see what happens with him in the bullpen this Tuesday night. :-D
Wagner's a loudmouth Hoyda. Watching him blow save after save in New York is hilarious. If he thinks people in Philly were tough on him, just wait until he blows a couple of saves in the heat of a pennant race in New York. The rags will crucify his hillbilly ass.
:-D
Why the hell is he still talking about his time here? Jesus, it's like Larry Brown when he signed with Detroit and he kept running his mouth about the Sixers. Shut the farg up, you whiny little bitch.
Here's a newsflash for ya Billy, when its 24 against 1 and you're the 1, its time to look in the mirror to see what
you're doing wrong.
Quote"After I called them out, they were waiting for me to fall flat," Wagner said. "In my mind, when I went out to the mound, they were waiting for me to go in the tank. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I got."
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Waaaaah, what a very TO-like statement.
Well it's no secret Burrell is a total bitch, but come on. Wagner is a douche.
when i blasted wagner for saying that last year...i got jumped all over here.
his mouth was "part of his charm" when he was a phillie...and now the same makes him a whiney bitch?
meh...the mets are still 5 games up...
when and if they get to 5 games down, then we can laugh at the press quotes.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 07, 2006, 12:09:12 PM
when i blasted wagner for saying that last year...i got jumped all over here.
his mouth was "part of his charm" when he was a phillie...and now the same makes him a whiney bitch?
meh...the mets are still 5 games up...
when and if they get to 5 games down, then we can laugh at the press quotes.
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Eh, the quotes don't bother me much. He's a Met now, so we have to hate him. 8)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 06, 2006, 02:03:26 PM
Bonds is a jerkoff and a cheater.
Why MLB is allowing him anywhere near the field at this point is beyond me. I suspect that they're afraid of the public outcry that would ensue from certain quarters if he was shown the door but rather than standing on principles, they'll simply sweep it under the rug and move on.
It really doesn't matter what you think because he's never failed a drug test. So until he does...you really have no right to say he shouldn't be near the field. Bonds is a scapegoat for every other steroid user. And MLB just doesn't want him to break the all-time HR record.
Hamels allowed 2 hits and a run in the 1st inning. Doomed.... :P
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 07, 2006, 02:06:37 PM
Hamels allowed 2 hits and a run in the 1st inning. Doomed.... :P
1 run, 7 K, 0 BB through 6.
he sucks
Flash is angry
Randarino (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-05072006-652670.html)
QuoteGordon read area newspapers after signing and determined that the Philadelphia media decided he was too old to take on closing full-time for the first time since 2001.
"I read, "If there's an if, Tom Gordon's the if on this team,' and every day I put on that uniform I take that on the field," Gordon said. "And I'm going to continue to do it because I feel like nobody has given me an opportunity because I'm 38.
"That should have been over once I signed. I know that I'm not Billy Wagner. God knows, I could never replace Billy Wagner. I respect Billy Wagner. But I also respect who I am and how I go about my business."
Gordon's venom ballooned when he attended a Phillies hot stove function in Reading on Jan. 26.
"This is what caught my attention," Gordon said. "That day, a little girl walked up to me and told me, "I don't want your autograph because I'm a Billy Wagner fan.' I can understand you being a Billy Wagner fan because I'm a Billy Wagner fan, but I think you've got to give me a chance to do what I can do."
Now that Gordon has been one of baseball's most dominant closers this season, he says he doesn't want any bandwagon jumpers.
"The first day I get here, all I hear is I'm 38," he said. "It was always something negative, never about anything good. Now, you want to talk about the good? Well, I don't want to talk about the good. If it ain't about this team winning, I don't want to discuss it."
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"I've been called everything in this game," Gordon told the [New York] Daily News in February. "I've even heard 'n*****' a couple of times, too. Then, after that headline, I was in the city with my kids and this fan comes up to me and says, "You're worthless!' How would you like to be told that? In front of your kids! No player deserves that."
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"If this team is a part of the '06 playoffs, then I think I've done my job," he said. "If not, I don't think I have. I learned a lot being with the Yankees. I learned a lot being with the Red Sox who were able to do it year after year. To come to places where they haven't won and to start setting goals, I think my entire goal for '06 is to be in the playoffs. I really don't want to talk about me."
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 07, 2006, 03:02:31 PM
Flash is angry
Randarino (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-05072006-652670.html)
QuoteGordon read area newspapers after signing and determined that the Philadelphia media decided he was too old to take on closing full-time for the first time since 2001.
"I read, "If there's an if, Tom Gordon's the if on this team,' and every day I put on that uniform I take that on the field," Gordon said. "And I'm going to continue to do it because I feel like nobody has given me an opportunity because I'm 38.
"That should have been over once I signed. I know that I'm not Billy Wagner. God knows, I could never replace Billy Wagner. I respect Billy Wagner. But I also respect who I am and how I go about my business."
Gordon's venom ballooned when he attended a Phillies hot stove function in Reading on Jan. 26.
"This is what caught my attention," Gordon said. "That day, a little girl walked up to me and told me, "I don't want your autograph because I'm a Billy Wagner fan.' I can understand you being a Billy Wagner fan because I'm a Billy Wagner fan, but I think you've got to give me a chance to do what I can do."
Now that Gordon has been one of baseball's most dominant closers this season, he says he doesn't want any bandwagon jumpers.
"The first day I get here, all I hear is I'm 38," he said. "It was always something negative, never about anything good. Now, you want to talk about the good? Well, I don't want to talk about the good. If it ain't about this team winning, I don't want to discuss it."
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"I've been called everything in this game," Gordon told the [New York] Daily News in February. "I've even heard 'n*****' a couple of times, too. Then, after that headline, I was in the city with my kids and this fan comes up to me and says, "You're worthless!' How would you like to be told that? In front of your kids! No player deserves that."
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"If this team is a part of the '06 playoffs, then I think I've done my job," he said. "If not, I don't think I have. I learned a lot being with the Yankees. I learned a lot being with the Red Sox who were able to do it year after year. To come to places where they haven't won and to start setting goals, I think my entire goal for '06 is to be in the playoffs. I really don't want to talk about me."
what a whiney bitch :-X
Cole is done for the day
7 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 10 K, 93 pitches (67 strikes)
uhhh bye bye Madson
I think it's kind of funny that when Wagner was here he was loved for the exact same reasons that he's now being bashed. Last year's Phillies were a bunch of whiney bitches and Wags called them out on it.
Maybe if they'd have won a few more games in April then they wouldn't have had to worry about it come September against the Astros.
Gordon and Wagner are both whiney bitches. Just shut up and pitch.
Barry gets his first at bat...and not a single battery thrown.... :'(
ESPN sucks. This is the Barry Bonds show, just "Blah blah blah Barry Bonds, blah blah." And, "Yeah, I agree, Barry Bonds blah blah." But hey, at least I can finally watch a game down here.
So far, Rollins with his fifth steal.
Rollins got walked, stole second. Utley grounded out, advancing Rollins to third.
Abreu singles to center, Rollins scores. 1-0 Bums.
Burrel steps up and goes yard on a bomb to center. Bums 3-0.
Howard strikes out, Rowand flies out.
Top of the second, Sweeney comes up and take Lieber yard into dead center. 3-1 Bums.
Two fly outs and a ground out.
Bell with a stand up double. :yay
.....and I am talking to myself.... :paranoid
I'm watching too. Utley didn't advance JRoll he scored from second on Abreu's single.
Have you noticed that little computer graphic on the pitchers mound DC? I'm trying to figure out what the hell it says or means.
Quote from: NGM on May 07, 2006, 08:47:25 PM
I'm watching too. Utley didn't advance JRoll he scored from second on Abreu's single.
Have you noticed that little computer graphic on the pitchers mound DC? I'm trying to figure out what the hell it says or means.
I'm pretty sure it says MOM with a heart replacing the O. Utley just got caught stealing to end the inning. Phils tearing shtein up right now, 5-1. Morris won't last much longer at this pace.
Phils are very hot again tonight. Come on, Burrell, get me some fantasy baseball points!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 07, 2006, 08:49:04 PM
Quote from: NGM on May 07, 2006, 08:47:25 PM
I'm watching too. Utley didn't advance JRoll he scored from second on Abreu's single.
Have you noticed that little computer graphic on the pitchers mound DC? I'm trying to figure out what the hell it says or means.
I'm pretty sure it says MOM with a heart replacing the O. Utley just got caught stealing to end the inning. Phils tearing shtein up right now, 5-1. Morris won't last much longer at this pace.
Ahh...that plus the pink armbands = some sort of cancer thing then. Im smrt.
That, or its Mothers day next sunday and its some cheap promo thing for flowers or something gay like that.
Bonds just singled.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 07, 2006, 09:04:03 PM
That, or its Mothers day next sunday and its some cheap promo thing for flowers or something gay like that.
Bonds just singled.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Bonds just hit # 713. And when I say he hit it, I mean he crushed it. Upper deck above the McDonald's sign. Wow.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 07, 2006, 09:40:55 PM
Bonds just hit # 713. And when I say he hit it, I mean he crushed it. Upper deck above the McDonald's sign. Wow.
That sucker was a SHOT. :o
Oh, yeah... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Did they throw it back? I would have waited until he came back onto the field and then thrown it at him.
;D
missed it watching sopranos. who cares what that roid head did.
7-3 Phils 8)
Quote from: MDS on May 07, 2006, 10:02:38 PM
missed it watching sopranos. who cares what that roid head did.
I'd usually say the same thing but if you get the chance check it out. Its one helluva shot.
8-4 now, time to take Lieber out.
Saw it basically. Yea he farging killed the ball. Steroids sure can help you out, can't they?
Steroids or Human Growth Hormone, but my money is on HGH. I love seeing him hobble around in left field trying to make a play.
9-4. Brooms.
Haha Fultz rings Bonds up for the second time this series.
Bums win! 9-5! Sweepers, sweepers, man your brooms!
Gotta take 2 out of 3 from the Mets.
you cant stop david bell
The Phillies played? I thought it was a 3-hour show about Bonds....
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 07, 2006, 11:08:43 PM
The Phillies played? I thought it was a 3-hour show about Bonds....
Yeah, they had uniforms and everything. It was really great.
If you ever-ever- pull another stunt like that again, I'm gonna cut your nuts off. And stuff em down your farging throat.
Coffee?
Charlene. Charlene Dorn.
It's time for Billy to shut up. As Romey said, I am Wags' agent and all, and I am getting sick of hearing about his time in Philadelphia. It was nice to hear him call those fruits on the carpet last year though. And shame on Patricia for calling him a rat. Yo Pat, play baseball and stop the whining. Oooooh Big Bad Billy said we suck. Newsflash, Pat. You DID suck for most of last year.
And I had no clue about Gordon being angry. But Angry Flash is pitching lights out. So, as Joe Dirt would say, keep on keepin' on, Tom. Keep being angry and keep pitching nasty.
Once again I miss the game. And the Sopranos. At least I get to see the first two of the Mets series and then the Sopranos on Wednesday.
Jesus H. Hamels
23 innings
0.39 ERA
0.43 WHIP
36 strikeouts
1 walk
Bow to him.
the ESPN tv director needs to friggin call more cuts. They kept the camera on Bonds for almost 45 seconds straight at one point and then did the same with Rowand. Baseball is boring enough without staring at the same player standing in the outfield spitting seeds.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 07, 2006, 09:56:38 PM
Did they throw it back? I would have waited until he came back onto the field and then thrown it at him.
;D
Yeah, i'll bet tough guy.
ESPN's coverage was nauseating as usual.
On a side note - how many times did they flash the McDonald's sign and mention the brand last night? Probably fifty??
McDonald's definitely got their money's worth last night, that's for damn sure.
:deion
Is Chase Utely the best 2nd baseman in baseball? i think so.
he needs to start the All-Star game.
can we start the argument back up:
Utley vs Abreu
Ill stick with my point--Utley is the better and leader of the team--and hell prove it more as the season goes
Quote from: reese125 on May 08, 2006, 10:59:28 AM
can we start the argument back up:
Utley vs Abreu
Ill stick with my point--Utley is the better and leader of the team--and hell prove it more as the season goes
bad english aside. it's obvious that hair slick utley is a leader on the team. but that doesnt take anything away from abreu's talent.
yup and Abreu's personality doesn't lend him to be a leader, so it's not a slight to him to say he's not the leader.
leaders in baseball...if theres such a thing...are overrated...you either hit and catch the ball or you dont....utley is a leader cause his numbers are good
you could really hear the fans last night giving it to bonds. almost brought a tear to my eye. but does anyone know what this means?
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Controlled Homo Anal Rape?
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Buster Olney was having a chat over on ESPN.com, some good insight on Hamels:
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Mark (Philly): Is the Phils' recent surge a mirage or a sign of things to come? Do you see Cole Hamels being added to the rotation soon?
SportsNation Buster Olney: (2:38 PM ET ) Mark: The Phillies have to be at least strongly thinking about it, with the team playing well, but in a sense, the recent win streak buys them time -- and Pat Gillick's history is to make damn sure minor league pitchers have enough time to develop in the minors. Of all that Pat knows, I think he understands pitching the best, and he'll stubbornly keep him there until he thinks he's ready. I don't know what his pitch sequences have been in Class AAA, but for Pat, that will be a key -- whether Hamels is throwing off-speed stuff for strikes in fastball counts (2-0, 3-1). I don't know if he's merely winning with his fastball, but that's always the concern about young pitchers.
If Hamels is winning with his fastball, that would certainly be a nice change of pace from Madsen.
Yeah it would.
Steve Phillips is on now....
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 07, 2006, 11:27:57 AM
Here's a newsflash for ya Billy, when its 24 against 1 and you're the 1, its time to look in the mirror to see what you're doing wrong.
Quote"After I called them out, they were waiting for me to fall flat," Wagner said. "In my mind, when I went out to the mound, they were waiting for me to go in the tank. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I got."
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Waaaaah, what a very TO-like statement.
Yeah, no shtein Artie.
Check out Sal Fasano taking a tour of Philly with Marzano on CSN. Sal got to meet Marzano's handicapped mom and screw up a cheesesteak order. Nice....
Quote from: reese125 on May 08, 2006, 10:59:28 AM
can we start the argument back up:
Utley vs Abreu
Ill stick with my point--Utley is the better and leader of the team--and hell prove it more as the season goes
I'm sick of the word "leader".
Toss that in with "blue collar" too.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 08, 2006, 10:31:28 PM
Check out Sal Fasano taking a tour of Philly with Marzano on CSN. Sal got to meet Marzano's handicapped mom and screw up a cheesesteak order. Nice....
I am also sick of the whole "let's take the new guy in the city to Pats (or Geno's) and see him eat a cheesesteak and/or do a photo op while holding a spatula".
And Johnny Marz irks me as well. He was good when he first started out on CSN, but WIP has rotted his brain.
QuoteWagner: I was never a fan fave
By PAUL HAGEN
hagenp@phillynews.com
THE PHILLIES have won eight straight.
(Insert appropriate reaction here.)
The first-place Mets open a three-game series at Citizens Bank Park tonight.
(Insert appropriate - that is, opposite - reaction here.)
And the Mets' visit means the return of closer Billy Wagner, who spent 2 years trying to nail down wins for the Phillies before becoming a free agent last winter and signing a 4-year, $43 million deal with the division rivals from New York.
(Insert above reaction and turn it up a couple of notches.)
Wagner laughed when asked Sunday at Shea Stadium what sort of reception he expects to get from the same fans who used to come out and cheer for him to throw 100-mph fastballs.
Shoot, he said, he was booed at home even when he played for the Phillies.
"It started the very first time I was there," he said with a grin. "Stepped on the mound, hadn't thrown a pitch, hadn't given anyone any reason to not like me. Right out of the gate. 'We wish we had [Jose] Mesa.'
"I was like, 'Whew, I'm going to be a hit in this town.' "
So, no, he isn't kidding himself about what the reaction will be if and when he takes off his Mets warmup jacket and begins loosening up the next 3 nights.
"I mean, when you're a visitor, you expect that. You do," he said. "This isn't new to me. Them screaming and telling me I suck and they hope I die, this is nothing new. That stuff doesn't bother me. What bothers you is when it's your home field and they're telling you the same thing. That's the tough part.
"I know it won't be easy. But what is?"
The twist here is that while Wagner is pitching well enough (2.12 earned run average, .190 opponent's batting average, 12 hits and 19 strikeouts in 17 innings), he has blown three saves in 10 opportunities. Meanwhile, Tom Gordon - who was signed to replace Wagner - is a perfect 10-for-10. He has an 0.61 ERA, a .085 opponent's batting average and has give up only four hits in 14 2/3 innings while whiffing 23.
"I couldn't be happier for him. He's one of the most professional guys I've ever met," Wagner said. "He's fantastic. I love Flash. I'm glad he's off to a great start. And I hope he does well, because if he hadn't gotten off to a great start, it would have been a different situation for him."
He also understands that will give the people who like to stand over the bullpen and yell at opposing pitchers that much more ammunition.
"Probably because I'm not off to such a super start and unhittable, [or] striking out everybody and throwing a billion [mph] and stuff, I'll hear how's my health, 'You look like you've lost something,' typical BS," he said.
Phillies bullpen coach Ramon Henderson, who has spent as much time as anybody in the 'pen, thinks Wagner's fat contract will be a common theme of the taunts.
"Always, money is the issue. People are going to think he left because of the money, but I don't think that was the case," Henderson observed.
Laughed Wagner: "If they throw me money, I'm keeping it," he said with a laugh. "If they think I'm stupid enough for them to throw money and me not pick it up, they're crazy.
"I'm not worth 10 ½ million dollars. I never said I was. But being at the right place at the right time means a lot."
Wagner has gotten an earful from Mets fans after blowing saves at Shea Stadium, but that doesn't bother him, either.
"They've been fine. I mean, I've been booed twice and I should have... I'm realistic. I'm a fan, too. I know when you get it done. I know the difference," he said.
He also understands that the fact that, of all the teams in baseball, his choice to go to New York will add to the level of abuse.
"Definitely, [being with] the Mets make it a little bit more. You know, if I was traded to the Mets, I'd get a nice reception. But picking the Mets, it's going to be a hope-you-die [situation]. And that's fine. That's part of the game. We all go through it.
"I don't like being a villain. I'm just a stupid baseball player. I'm not a rocket scientist. I ain't curing cancer. And if that's how people choose to spend their money, coming out to boo Billy Wagner, well, thank you very much."
It's a pretty safe bet that quite a few people will choose to do just that the next 3 nights.
Oh, jeez. Jose Mesa?!?!
JOSE F'ING MESA, Billy?
Anyone who thought that or said it (and Billy is probably lying) needs to be castrated.
QuoteAs Hamels dominates, Phils try to determine his future
By Todd Zolecki
Inquirer Staff Writer
The question has been: When? The answer could be: Soon, very soon.
Phillies assistant general manager Mike Arbuckle said yesterday that he would be in Philadelphia this week to talk with general manager Pat Gillick. They will try to figure out their course of action for Cole Hamels, the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre lefthander who has dominated in the minor leagues this season.
"At some point before long we'll have to take a hard look at doing something," Arbuckle said of the possibility of Hamels' promotion to the Phillies. "If he keeps pitching like this, I don't think it'll be a lot longer. But we still have to sort it out."
Hamels, 22, the team's first-round draft pick in 2002, allowed one run and struck out 10 in seven innings Sunday for the triple-A Red Barons.
In three starts for Scranton, he is 2-0 with an 0.39 ERA. In 23 innings, he has allowed one run, 10 hits and one walk, and struck out 36. Opponents have hit just .128 against him.
In 1951/3 career innings in the minors, Hamels is 14-4 with a 1.43 ERA. He has allowed just two home runs in his professional career.
The Phillies seem to have two options if they call up Hamels, which seems inevitable. They can move righthander Ryan Madson into the bullpen, or send righthander Gavin Floyd to Scranton.
Madson is 3-1 but has a 6.82 ERA. In 301/3 innings, he has allowed 49 hits and 16 walks, while striking out 15. Opponents have hit .371 against him.
Madson has pitched well from the bullpen the last two seasons, which could factor into the decision.
Floyd is 3-2 with a 6.16 ERA. In 302/3 innings, he has given up 41 hits and 17 walks, and struck out 19. Opponents have hit .323 against him. He is not a candidate for the bullpen.
Hamels pitched a shutout last Tuesday in Richmond, Va., against Atlanta's triple-A affiliate.
Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox said Thursday at Citizens Bank Park that he recognized Hamels' name in the reports he read. Cox watched Hamels pitch against the Braves in spring training of 2004 and had not forgotten him.
"He's as good as it gets, everything about him - fastball, change-up, poise on the mound," Cox said. "He has ace written all over him."
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2006, 04:54:45 AM
QuoteAs Hamels dominates, Phils try to determine his future
By Todd Zolecki
Inquirer Staff Writer
The question has been: When? The answer could be: Soon, very soon.
Phillies assistant general manager Mike Arbuckle said yesterday that he would be in Philadelphia this week to talk with general manager Pat Gillick. They will try to figure out their course of action for Cole Hamels, the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre lefthander who has dominated in the minor leagues this season.
"At some point before long we'll have to take a hard look at doing something," Arbuckle said of the possibility of Hamels' promotion to the Phillies. "If he keeps pitching like this, I don't think it'll be a lot longer. But we still have to sort it out."
Hamels, 22, the team's first-round draft pick in 2002, allowed one run and struck out 10 in seven innings Sunday for the triple-A Red Barons.
In three starts for Scranton, he is 2-0 with an 0.39 ERA. In 23 innings, he has allowed one run, 10 hits and one walk, and struck out 36. Opponents have hit just .128 against him.
In 1951/3 career innings in the minors, Hamels is 14-4 with a 1.43 ERA. He has allowed just two home runs in his professional career.
The Phillies seem to have two options if they call up Hamels, which seems inevitable. They can move righthander Ryan Madson into the bullpen, or send righthander Gavin Floyd to Scranton.
Madson is 3-1 but has a 6.82 ERA. In 301/3 innings, he has allowed 49 hits and 16 walks, while striking out 15. Opponents have hit .371 against him.
Madson has pitched well from the bullpen the last two seasons, which could factor into the decision.
Floyd is 3-2 with a 6.16 ERA. In 302/3 innings, he has given up 41 hits and 17 walks, and struck out 19. Opponents have hit .323 against him. He is not a candidate for the bullpen.
Hamels pitched a shutout last Tuesday in Richmond, Va., against Atlanta's triple-A affiliate.
Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox said Thursday at Citizens Bank Park that he recognized Hamels' name in the reports he read. Cox watched Hamels pitch against the Braves in spring training of 2004 and had not forgotten him.
"He's as good as it gets, everything about him - fastball, change-up, poise on the mound," Cox said. "He has ace written all over him."
Did you hear Jodie Mac yesterday talking about the Phillies thinking about bringing him up later in the year to delay his prospects for arbitration down the road? I had never heard that arguement but thought you or Ed might have an informed opinion.
John Russell was just on WIP, he basically was very careful with his wording. Said Cole has control that he hasnt really seen in a guy who's 22. Said the changeup is devastating and not something someone his age can usually master. He didnt want to compare him to any great pitchers because every great pitcher has a look and style of their own.
-Bring up Cole now
-STFU Wagner, nobody cares
Quote from: Philly_Crew on May 09, 2006, 07:27:21 AM
Did you hear Jodie Mac yesterday talking about the Phillies thinking about bringing him up later in the year to delay his prospects for arbitration down the road? I had never heard that arguement but thought you or Ed might have an informed opinion.
If a player has two full years of MLB service plus a certain number of days (according to this website (http://www.mlb4u.com/arb.php), it's 86 days if certain criteria is met) over that, they qualify for arbitration (it's sometimes called "Super 2 Arbitration").
Basically, the Phils are trying to avoid an extra year of arbitration with Hamels.
Thanks Geo. When could the Phils bring him up this season for those of us that are mathematically challenged?
Quote from: Philly_Crew on May 09, 2006, 08:22:52 AM
Thanks Geo. When could the Phils bring him up this season for those of us that are mathematically challenged?
If my calculations are correct, the Phils could call him up around July 9th and not be liable for the extra year of arbitration, based on the last game being October 1st.
they better not wait that long.
Wagner's still at it, huh?
Haha. What a bitch ass. How much do you wanna bet that they have to seal off the area around the bullpen tonight?
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 09, 2006, 09:09:56 AM
Wagner's still at it, huh?
Haha. What a bitch ass. How much do you wanna bet that they have to seal off the area around the bullpen tonight?
:-D
Funny thing is, Wagner is the one who begged for the BP to be changed when he was a Phillie because of the fans being too close to him. Now he's back in that same bullpen anyway. :-D
I heart Mesa.
ESPN Insider article from Peter Gammons:
Quote
Phillies gaining momentum
posted: Tuesday, May 9, 2006
PHILADELPHIA -- What may be spawning is a Mets-Phillies rivalry that lights up the Northeast Corridor. There is the specter of Billy Wagner's return to Citizen's Bank Park with words that make him a targeted villain cut from the J.D. Drew/Scott Rolen cloth, the color of what may be the two best lineups in the National League, Pedro Martinez kicking off the season series and the realization that the Mets now matter in New York, the Phillies now matter in Philadelphia and these two teams have had such so little history of rivalry that the only time they ever finished 1-2 in a race was 1986, when the Phils finished 21½ games behind the eventual world champions.
What happens between these two teams has a long night's journey into day after the current three-game series, and could be decided by the Pat Gillick-Omar Minaya race to acquire pitching or which phenom (Cole Hamels or Mike Pelfrey) is least damaged by being rushed to the major leagues.
But as they begin their prelude to a rivalry, the weekend helped the Phillies begin to alter some preconceived notions. Look, the Phillies did sweep the Giants and run their winning streak to eight games. The weather was beautiful, accentuating the fact that not only is Citizen's Bank Park one of the best fans' sites in the industry, but, thankfully, it is not The Vet and all the anger management it necessitated. (Giants reliever Steve Kline remembers going there as a teenager, and when a kid dropped a popup in the sixth-inning Pizza Hut Popup Challenge -- everyone got a pizza coupon if he caught three -- Kline says, "They booed him so badly he ran off the field in tears.")
Sure, Barry Bonds got booed, and there were a few signs. But the booing was nothing compared to what he got at Dodger Stadium, nothing compared to what Drew and Rolen experienced. It was not obscene, simply a combination of an aknowlegement that many fans outside San Fransisco do not recognize what he is doing as a run for anything but a hollow number, and it was an expression of their contempt for what they perceive as his contempt for them. Fair enough.
In fact, Bonds had nothing to complain about in terms of Philadelphia. A dozen Phillies players approached him behind the batting cage before Sunday night's game, and either hugged him or shook his hand -- offering their good lucks. When he hit the mammoth home run off Jon Lieber, the crowd gave him a rousing standing ovation, and when he came up in the eighth, flash bulbs went off all over the stadium on every pitch. The Phillies players in the dugout stared up at where the ball landed for nearly ten minutes, and when Pat Burrell came in from left field, he said, "I thought it was going out of the stadium. I'm glad nothing got hit to me because I couldn't concentrate the rest of the inning. I was in such awe." ::)
Bonds feels there is no joy surrounding his chase of Number Two, but, in reality, Philadelphia gave him some. He feels he is unfairly targeted when the players' fraternity knows the percentage of players using illegal performance-enhancing drugs was astoundingly higher than outsiders dreamed imaginable. He also feels that the media is draining him, and while teamates complained about the media all weekend, all Bonds had to do was go to the PR staff, say he'd go to a room for two minutes, smile and there wouldn't be 60 media members standing around the clubhouse watching him watch television because he declined to be interviewed, interfering with teamates. "When this is over at the end of the year," he said, "I'm just going to go away and disappear." For a man whose OPS in 1992 and 1993 were each higher than any season posted by Henry Aaron, Frank Robinson, Joe DiMaggio or Reggie Jackson, this is a pitiful statement of "be careful what you wish for."
While the national focus last weekend was on Bonds, the Phillies stole the spotlight before three packed houses. They also seem to be piercing another preconceived notion that this is a robotic team. Anyone seen all the model racing car teams led by Arthur Rhodes, Shane Victorino, Aaron Rowand, et al?
"The knock that this team had no heart was really unfair," says one veteran player. "Heart was not the issue, not with Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins and Bret Myers and Ryan Howard. But what is true is that a lot of the really good players here are not very outspoken. That's not heart, it's personality. But in comes Rowand and Tom Gordon and it's as if the personality has dramatically changed."
Rowand is one of those baseball characters -- dirt dog -- that was a vital part of the world champion White Sox and has transformed the Phillies, all while playing center field as well as anyone in the game. In spring training, he made it a point to go to lunch or dinner with everyone on the team. He goes up and down the dugout offering what seems to be the right charm at the right times. "He was the perfect guy to bring to this team," says Burrell. And when Charlie Manuel decided to take Rowand out of the two hole, move Utley there and get Howard into the fifth spot, Rowand said, "I don't care where I hit. Fit everyone else where the lineup works best, then give me my place. It's all about winning."
Gillick hasn't bombed this team, but he has subtly altered the personality. Look back to his time in Toronto and Seattle, and Gillick's history was finding the right people. He couldn't keep both Howard and Jim Thome, so he freed up money with the Thome deal, got a center fielder who could track everything between Bobby Abreu and Burrell and brought in a personality. The people he brought in for much-needed depth include David Dellucci, Tomas Perez and Sal Fasano, while Gordon has been the best closer in the league in the far-easier role of knowing that he will get up once and pitch one inning, safe from the exhausting up-and-down role in New York.
Gordon is throwing 94-96 heat with his wicked curveball, and his cutter has been extremely effective against lefties. "I talked to Mariano Rivera at least once a week," says Gordon. "We talked a lot about the cutter. I learned I couldn't use his grip, but in terms of the philosophy of using the pitch, he has helped me a great deal."
There are issues here, beginning with the starting pitching. Other than Myers and Cory Lidle, the starters have been spotty. Jon Lieber made imnprovement Sunday. Gavin Floyd has had consecutive starts that were termed "better" by Manuel, with a few frozen headline moments. Ryan Madson has yet to find it; he escaped with his stuff Saturday despite the fact that 10 of the first 15 Giants reached base -- and none scored.
The fans want Hamels, who has allowed one run and fanned 26 in 23 innings in Triple-A. He has a great change and what Manuel says "is an unusual feel for pitching." He's also allowed only two home runs in his minor league career. Unfortunately, that career includes less than 200 innings, and the sample doesn't include bouncing back from adversity.
Until Mariners owner Howard Lincoln refused to add payroll in Gillick's last seasons in Seattle, his history in Toronto and Baltimore was to go get what he needed, like David Cone and Rickey Henderson. So what the pitching staff looks like in August could be different than what it looks like now.
But there will be no lack of effort to make 2006 the first legitimate Phillies-Mets race. We may come to regret the last time they are scheduled to meet is August 14-17 at CBP, but what baseball may still embrace is that that could be one of the best weeks in New Jersey Turnpike history.
I heart Aaron Rowand.
QuoteThe people he brought in for much-needed depth include David Dellucci, Tomas Perez and Sal Fasano, while Gordon has been the best closer in the league in the far-easier role of knowing that he will get up once and pitch one inning, safe from the exhausting up-and-down role in New York.
Uhhh... no. :-D
Tomas over Alex Gonzalez
If that lackey David Montgomery is the one behind the arbitration thing (if its true) with Hamels then he should have his nuts cut off.
Bring.
Him.
Up.
Now.
I'm pumped about tonights game. I can't wait to get this thing started.
Pedro is going to get killed.
F my Spanish Final
F the Mets
Anyone know where I can get a "free" audio stream for the game? MLB.com is a rip off, and my farging cable provider wants $200+ for the whole season.
Wow, I thought Pedro might cool the guys off a bit :paranoid Way to get him. ;D
World Series.
Yeah thats what I meant :-D Is that you Philly forever?
Myers has brought it so far....was worried a bit before that sweet trick play to get Reyes. :yay
Bottom of the sixth and Myers is really playing lights out. I am trying not to get excited thinking the Phils' pitching is starting to come together. I refuse to get my hopes up!
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2006, 07:45:08 PM
World Series.
No joining the bandwagon now, ye of little faith. Phreak and I don't want any frontrunners with us!
By the way, I can't believe that Reyes got caught on the old fake-to-third, throw-to-first pickoff. :-D
Nady goes Yard to left, two run shot. Bums 3-2. :paranoid
anyone know why myers is still in?
i guess. just figured giving up your 3rd hit to a guy hitting .190 then a 2 run homer, it might be time to think about pulling him.
That's why. Kid is on.
He needs the confidence boost. He got it. Good call on Manuel. Flash going to have a showdown with the beef in New York's lineup. This'll be a good one!
Myers did a nice job bouncing back from the homer. I'd guess we'll see Flash Gordon in the 9th.
Victorino just ran over De Luca at home on a Howard double to deep right! 4-2 Bums!
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 09, 2006, 09:17:16 PM
Victorino just ran over De Luca at home on a Howard double to deep right! 4-2 Bums!
Victorino! Maui Boy!!!
wow.
Gordon just gave up a 2 run homer to Delgado. Motherfarger!
Its all tied up.
Where I come from they say farg a duck in these situations.
WTF? ???
Anyone else having visions of Biggio? I know it's only May, but.....................................
if they take the lead we lose. guaranteed. bell and ruiz to lead off the inning. how lame. least they got brought back to earth. if they can hold on, it's a good confidence booster though. and there's no reason they can't, they've come from behind a lot in their last couple of games.
I sense the demise of another remote control. :boom
I sense the demise of the back of my son's head. :boom
Nice time to F up Flash :boom
You can cut the tension through the internet broadcast :paranoid
3-2 count :paranoid
please tell me their booing him. hard.
:o at least we are still tied :yay
Wagner must be lovin this shtein.
Only if they take the lead, as I said before Flash has surprised me with his strong play up until tonight, can't get too down on him though he is playing better than wag's.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 09, 2006, 09:34:11 PM
Wagner must be lovin this shtein.
maybe. but i remember him giving up a few game winning home runs during the heat of a playoff race which is a bit different then giving up two runs to tie up a game in may.
Farg Wagner. The Phils will put up runs. I don't understand why they pulled Martinez, he was in a groove, and was laying waste to the Phils' lineup after giving up three runs. Who do they have now?
Swell Bell :boom
Larry Anderson almost had an accident in his shorts on that drive.
C'mon Rollins!
oh jesus christ. their already starting on espn about "how bad wagner is needed back in philly".. god shut the farg up and actually watch some of THIS season.
walk. off. grand. slam.
just to make a point.
Beautiful!
Bums win! Abreu really knocked the shtein out of that one.
farg you, Mets.
Clutch "hit" by Abreu. ;D :paranoid
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on May 09, 2006, 09:43:30 PM
oh jesus christ. their already starting on espn about "how bad wagner is needed back in philly".. god shut the farg up and actually watch some of THIS season.
That's why I have my TV on Big Break V in the background. farg Wagner and farg ESPN!
that'll do.
Wow, great win...
Wow. :o
Man, I hope Myers stays like he was tonight. Gordon looked awful.
BTW, I think they counted that last "hit" as an error, Bobby B is 3 for his last 26. :boo
Ahahaha. That was ridiculous.
Good win, though, even though Gordon picked a strange time to blow his first save. I guess that happens when closers start running off at the mouth in Philly.
My advise: Shut the farg up and pitch, Flash.
didn't hit it hard.. but at least he hustled like there was a pack of rabid retards with rakes chasin his ass.
walk off dribbler. haha. a win is a win. abreu has 2 walkoffs this year. farg the mets!!
Heh. Wagner looked steamed in the bullpen. Man, I would love to see the Phils just blow them out the next two games so Captain Douche never sets a foot on the mound.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on May 09, 2006, 09:52:05 PM
didn't hit it hard.. but at least he hustled like there was a pack of rabid Ugie Urbinas with chainsaws chasin his ass.
Fixed. :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 09, 2006, 09:50:50 PM
Ahahaha. That was ridiculous.
Good win, though, even though Gordon picked a strange time to blow his first save. I guess that happens when closers start running off at the mouth in Philly.
My advise: Shut the farg up and pitch, Flash.
I was going to post something similar but figured I'd shut
my trap since he's been money this season.
Huuuuuuuuuge wins, kids. Brooms comin out thursday.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2006, 09:57:53 PM
I was going to post something similar but figured I'd shut my trap since he's been money this season.
Agreed. You should really shut it, SD.
;)
Flash earns a freebie tonight. And he pretty much backed off the comments. He said the Philly fans have been great to him.
Bobby A had a similar situation last yer against the Mets...and he hit a dribbler and they lost.
This team is hot. And when you're goin good you get lucky bounces. Dellucci's ball could've easily been a ground rule double but it nicked the fence and stayed in.
Heilman should've let Wright field the ball. Thanks, Aaron. We'll take it anyway we can get it.
And big props to Victorino for plowing Lo Duca. Even though Shane had to use smelling salts (seriously) when he got back to the dugout.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2006, 10:18:32 PM
And big props to Victorino for plowing Lo Duca. Even though Shane had to use smelling salts (seriously) when he got back to the dugout.
Of course Baseball Tonight doesn't even show that play. Reynolds is to busy making excuses for the Mets and all the"outs" they should have had. Cry me a river already.
I got back from the game a few minutes ago. Surprisingly there weren't a lot of Mets fans there. Only a couple hundred. I thought there'd be more the way that park sells, and my friend called me during the game and told me there sounded like a lot.
Fun game.
Flash on CSN:
Those comments were taken by someone (Randy Miller) as if i was talking to him when in fact they were taken from a piece done in New York. I never even spoke to him.
As for the race comments? Once again it was taken from a piece a long time ago.
He loves the fans and thought the comment by the little girl was funny (about not wanting his autograph because she was a Wags fan).
Miller then told CSN that Flash led him to believe what he said happened in Philadelphia.
And Leslie Gudel and Neil Hartman said that they have read the transcript and that it looks like Miller was in the wrong.
33k+ there, fans love phillies!
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 09, 2006, 10:23:52 PM
I got back from the game a few minutes ago. Surprisingly there weren't a lot of Mets fans there. Only a couple hundred. I thought there'd be more the way that park sells, and my friend called me during the game and told me there sounded like a lot.
Fun game.
Great game to go to. Suprised you didn't see a lot of Mets fans there, you could hear their cheers on TV.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2006, 10:18:32 PM
Flash earns a freebie tonight. And he pretty much backed off the comments. He said the Philly fans have been great to him.
Agreed. I assume his beef was mostly with the Philly hacks and radio dipshteins, not the fans. The 610 fargtards are the ones who get the fans all fired up with hype and then when fans come into contact with the players, they regurgitate the idiocy they hear on the radio.
Not all the fans, mind you, but a sufficient amount, I'm sure.
Too bad too. Flash has been nearly unhittable all year and was bound to blow a save sooner or later. Here's to hoping that this one will be his first and last of the year.
:yay
Flash didnt have it tonight. Woulda been nice to have a sound win, but you know, it doesnt really matter right now. This team is smokin. I'm probably gonna head down thursday. Get to see Gavin Floyd and the Human Rain Delay. Joy.
Anyone else notice "Wheels the wetod" called David Bell "David Wright" in the top of the ninth when Bell made the real nice play on the slow roller?
Gordon's stuff was high tonight. Deadly for a guy like him.
Hey- he blew one and they still won. In a last-ditch effort to save the remote, I told Gordon through the TV to strike out Matsui, and the Phils would win it in the 9th for him.
It was a PhillyForever special quarantee. :D
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2006, 10:33:12 PM
Flash didnt have it tonight. Woulda been nice to have a sound win, but you know, it doesnt really matter right now. This team is smokin. I'm probably gonna head down thursday. Get to see Gavin Floyd and the Human Rain Delay. Joy.
I might be there too, we'll see.
One last thing:
Yes, Abreu's nubber in the 9th was something to be mocked. But to score it a throwing error on Heilman was the wrong scoring, in my opinion. Probably should have been ruled a hit.
Eh, doesn't matter, though. Phils won! ;D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2006, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2006, 10:33:12 PM
Flash didnt have it tonight. Woulda been nice to have a sound win, but you know, it doesnt really matter right now. This team is smokin. I'm probably gonna head down thursday. Get to see Gavin Floyd and the Human Rain Delay. Joy.
I might be there too, we'll see.
Let's meet up and become friends!!
MDS will be the guy with the mullet wearing a Ricky Otero jersey
:-D No, I'll be chillin with my boy Loserthal
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Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2006, 10:42:45 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2006, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 09, 2006, 10:33:12 PM
Flash didnt have it tonight. Woulda been nice to have a sound win, but you know, it doesnt really matter right now. This team is smokin. I'm probably gonna head down thursday. Get to see Gavin Floyd and the Human Rain Delay. Joy.
I might be there too, we'll see.
Let's meet up and become friends!!
You bring the underage college chicks and I'll buy the beer.
Schools out for summer.
So?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 09, 2006, 10:39:11 PM
Gordon's stuff was high tonight. Deadly for a guy like him.
Hey- he blew one and they still won. In a last-ditch effort to save the remote, I told Gordon through the TV to strike out Matsui, and the Phils would win it in the 9th for him.
It was a PhillyForever special quarantee. :D
If it came true then you got the right label. 8)
no just those two lines. but seriously, the year ends tommorrow and everyones pretty much home by now. i have a final tommorrow which i have yet to study for, so i get to stick around with the hobos and yoyos one more day.
My last final was Friday. Thankfully its over. You're not taking any summer courses? I opted to take a job on the Wildwood boardwalk doing piercings and shtein. Pays well, I get a place to crash for the summer, and I get to look at hot snatch all day.
No, not this year. I'm working over the summer. School and Summer don't make sense together.
QuoteHamels' debut could be Friday
The Phillies' top prospect appears to be on the fast track to the big leagues.
By Todd Zolecki
Inquirer Staff Writer
One of the most eagerly awaited Phillies debuts in recent history could take place Friday in Cincinnati.
Team officials met yesterday to discuss the future of pitcher Cole Hamels, and there were strong indications they have decided that the prized lefthander will make his next start in the major leagues.
"We're close," assistant general manager Mike Arbuckle said. "It's not going to be much longer, but there are a few moving pieces we have to figure out and people we would have to talk to."
Ryan Madson and Gavin Floyd would be those moving pieces, but it's unclear which one would leave the rotation to make room for the Phillies' top prospect. But it makes sense that Hamels would pitch Friday against the Reds, because he is scheduled to pitch Friday for triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre against Ottawa.
Floyd is scheduled to pitch tomorrow night in the series finale against the Mets. Madson is scheduled to pitch Friday.
The Phillies could keep it simple and move Madson for Hamels, because their days to pitch coincide. Madson is 3-1, but he has a 6.82 earned run average. If he had enough innings to qualify, he would have the second-highest ERA in the National League. In 301/3 innings, he has allowed 49 hits and 16 walks, and has struck out 15. Opponents have hit .371 against him.
Madson also has had two successful seasons in the bullpen, which could be a factor. The Phillies may figure they would be strengthening the rotation and the bullpen at the same time.
Floyd, who also has struggled, isn't a candidate to move to the bullpen. If the Phillies move him, he likely will be sent to Scranton. But because the Phillies had Monday off, they conceivably could pitch Madson tomorrow night since he would have had his normal rest.
Hamels, 22, the team's first-round pick in 2002, has allowed a run, 10 hits and a walk with 36 strikeouts in 23 innings in Scranton. Opponents have hit just .128 against him. He is 14-4 with a 1.43 ERA in his minor-league career.
Hamels has had health issues in the past, but is fine now. The Phillies also have said they would like to see Hamels pitch more innings in the minors to gain more experience.
But Arbuckle said the innings pitched no longer are an issue.
Friday? Don't bet against it.
Yes!! :yay
Move Madson to the pen, please.
Surprisingly there weren't a lot of Mets fans there. Only a couple hundred
are you joking...it was disgraceful how many mets fans there were...thats what they are talking about on wip...on tv is was insane looking...it was at least 50/50 in the sections behind the mets dugout....and lots of mets fans elsewhere...they showed a shot of nady's homer from the outfield seats and a ton of mets fans were going crazy....you could hear the lets go mets chants on tv as well...there were far more than a couple hundred there.....i was ashamed of philly last night watching that game
Calm down, IGY. :-D
The Mets have always, and I mean ALWAYS had a large contingent of fans at the games in Philly. It's not that big a deal, bro.
I used to love going to Phillies/Mets games at the Vet because Mets fans would always show up to talk shtein. It was nearly always an electric atmosphere when they were in the stadium because if nothing else Philly fans don't take kindly to opposing fans doing chants and what not in our house.
Besides, after all the misery the Phillies have put us through during the past 20 years, can you really blame the fans for staying away? I can't.
so it's ok that half the ball park was Mets fans?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 10, 2006, 08:52:12 AM
so it's ok that half the ball park was Mets fans?
I never said it was okay, Mo. I said it is what it is. Mets fans have always traveled to Philly to see the series and always will.
And I seriously doubt 1/2 the fans were Mets fans. I watched the game on the computer and didn't get that impression. There were a lot of Mets fans there and they were loud and boisterous but I doubt that 1/2 of the people were Mets fans.
BTW: Were you in attendance last night?
no...and saying half was an exaggeration.. but i'm willing to bet it was 60/40
The Mets have always, and I mean ALWAYS had a large contingent of fans at the games in Philly. It's not that big a deal, bro.
BREAKING NEWS!! from romey....mets fans have always come to philly!
last night was particularly embarrassing...but really i was mostly flabbergasted over philly forever saying that there were a 'couple hundred' mets fans there
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2006, 09:19:34 AM
The Mets have always, and I mean ALWAYS had a large contingent of fans at the games in Philly. It's not that big a deal, bro.
BREAKING NEWS!! from romey....mets fans have always come to philly!
last night was particularly embarrassing...but really i was mostly flabbergasted over philly forever saying that there were a 'couple hundred' mets fans there
are you suprised IGY
A guy i work with was at the game, he's a Mets fan who moved from NY to Delaware and has always even when back in NY would show up to at least 3 games down here in Philly. Its like the Eagles fans making a trip to DC every year.
surprised at what?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 10, 2006, 09:15:04 AM
no...and saying half was an exaggeration.. but i'm willing to bet it was 60/40
It wasn't 60/40. It was about 80/20 or 75/25. Still too much though.
yeah Im reading these comments and kind of confused here....whats so disappointing about Mets fans being there. I was at the game last night, and there were far more Phillies fans there. A good mix, but way more Philly fans. The place was awesome.
Its only expected that we will see tons of Mets fans at a Philadelphia ballpark--why the hate?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 10, 2006, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 10, 2006, 09:15:04 AM
no...and saying half was an exaggeration.. but i'm willing to bet it was 60/40
It wasn't 60/40. It was about 80/20 or 75/25. Still too much though.
That's probably a better estimate. And I don't see the point in this debate, what do you want Phils fans to do, beat up the Mets fans? That would be quite the contradiction since I see our fans everywhere.
so there were three times as many phils fans as mets fans....which means there were about 600 phils fans there
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2006, 09:48:46 AM
so there were three times as many phils fans as mets fans....which means there were about 600 phils fans there
If you take Philly_Forever's word for it. Most of us don't.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 10, 2006, 09:51:29 AM
If you take Philly_Forever's word for it. Most of us don't.
i take his word..and use it as toilet paper
Let me put it this way... if you live in the Delaware Valley and weren't otherwise engaged last night, then you have no reason to bitch and moan about opposing fans being at the game.
They're simply buying tickets that you're not using yourself.
i guess i speak for myself when i saw that it makes me literally nauseous to go to my teams games and be overwhelmed with opposing fans....just as i love it when a philly team doesn it i hate it that much more when it happens in philly...and there basically is nothing you can do about it (except more phillie fans buy tickets) but it doesnt make it any less painful to watch...especially when you have mostly mets fans right behind the plate and have to watch them all friggin game long on tv
Let me put it this way... if you live in the Delaware Valley and weren't otherwise engaged last night, then you have no reason to bitch and moan about opposing fans being at the game.
They're simply buying tickets that you're not using yourself.
i agree...but even worse is the philly season ticket holders dumping their tickets to highest mets bidder....behind the mets dugout (and in general that whole side of the lower level) was insane with mets fasn last night and all those seats are season tickets
I agree that it's annoying, IGY.
I just don't think it's something to get that upset over.
to each his own...it happens to infuriate me
i could care less...as i refuse to ever give this team a dime until the philosophy and ownership changes.
you think the phils brass cares that the stadium was filled with mets fans? no. all they care about was that the seats were filled.
it's the same for the upcoming boston series, and yankee series. they are just happy for the tickets being sold, they don't care to who
i cant stand the boston and yankees doing it either...but theres something seriously wrong when your rival who youre battling for the division brings in 1/3 of the stadium...unacceptable
I understand your sick feeling IGY--you hate to see blue hats and shirts on the TV screen-as do i with any opposing team, but expect NY to be there. They are an 1hr away its a pretty big state the last time I checked--with just as much passion as Philly fans. Whichever state is the closest for any ball park, you get more of the opposing team.
They cant control who comes to the game, especially Mets fans who have a legitimate shot at winning. If we were a stud team, expect ticket sales and attendance to be in Phillys favor.
Attendance was around 33,000+?? Not bad--getting up there
The Phils fans do it up at Shea too. But I agree, I hate it when I see the stadium filled with losers from Queens.
Anyways, enough about the Mets fans. F the bums.
No thoughts on Hamels possibly coming up Friday?
i think it will be awesome...but i don't want to look past this series. last night was an awesome game.
gillick just announced hamels is a definite for friday
farging nice.
i wonder if they wanted to put him on the road for his 1st start on purpose.
not just on the road but in that launching pad....i beleive cincy is the number one hr hitters park by quite a bit
shows the confidence they have in him
where did you hear it was definite? also did you hear the moves they made to make it happen? ie Madsen to the bullpen?
wip reported it on their ticker...they purchased his contract today...he will be with the team tonight and start friday...didnt mention any other moves
F'ing excellent!!!! :yay
http://www.courierpostonline.com/blogs/radano.html
Madsen to the bullpen
looks like his first home start will be the 28th vs milwaukee
ill be on a cruise...just farging great
haha
i like it...floyd needs to stay up and develop in the majors
hamels
myers
floyd...for the next five years = world series
Hamels = Cy Young?
cole hamels > cy young
until he loses his first game then...
bruce ruffin > cole hamels
i would say until the first hit he gives up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2006, 12:18:45 PM
i like it...floyd needs to stay up and develop in the majors
hamels
myers
floyd...for the next five years = world series
This year = World Series!!
Willis in '03 = Hamels in '06
Just joking....or am I? :sly
Lieber
Myers
Lidle
Floyd
Hamels
Geary
Santana
Cormier
Fultz
Franklin
Madson
Rhodes
Gordon
Now, its either Geary or Santana who will go by Friday. And both could be gone if Chris Booker is ready to come up as well.
Excellent.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2006, 12:10:17 PM
wip reported it on their ticker...they purchased his contract today...he will be with the team tonight and start friday...didnt mention any other moves
What great news.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14546016.htm
just more confirmation
Nice :yay
Over on PP, they were talking about Baseball-Reference.com sponsorships. Looks like the following are available if anyone's interested:
Alex S. Gonzalez = $35 :-D
Bell, Lieber, Dellucci = $25
Rhodes = $20
Cormier = $15
Fultz, Santana, Brito = $10
Sandoval, Booker = $5
I'm tempted to drop $25 on Bell's just to put up BELL SUCKS.
what exactly do you get for paying the loot?
You can sponsor the page
ex:
Johnny Marzano's page (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marzajo01.shtml)
Some guy on PhilliesPhans sponsored it and he's not a big Johnny Marz fan because of the crazy things he says on PGL and all of the name dropping and WIP menatlity he now has. :-D
ha. that site owner is gonna make tons of loot from that shtein whether he says so or not. brilliant.
awsome, just awsome. sucks for madson, he wasnt THAT bad. but come on, hamels has to be called up. no way eddy wade woulda made a move like that, in fact, hamels would still be in clearwater.
sucks for madson, he wasnt THAT bad
madson was as bad as you can get...has twenty more hits than innings pitched...a seven era and most pathetic more walks than strikeouts...pretty amazing that he was 3-1
he was 3-1 due to run support and pitching vs pansie teams that shot themselves in the foot worse than the phils did in april
Madson got his shot and it didn't work out for him.
Too bad. He's better off in middle relief anyway. You can get away with throwing junk like he does for an inning but give a major league team two looks at you and on the third go-around, you're gonna get hammered, especially if you can't spot your fastball properly. And that's exactly what happened to Madson.
Madson got his shot and it didn't work out for him.
i wouldnt call six starts getting his shot...but theres no question hes the one that should be taken out of the rotation
If the Phillies were 10 games under .500 right now, Hamels would still be in Scranton and Madson would still be in the starting rotation.
He got his shot in that they could no longer justify keeping him in the rotation considering the position they find themselves in at the moment.
Bringing up Hamels now and putting Madson in the bullpen is as clear a sign as you'll ever see from the Phillies that they're going for broke this year. All I can say is, it's about farging time.
I can't wait to see what's next.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 10, 2006, 03:38:52 PM
sucks for madson, he wasnt THAT bad
madson was as bad as you can get...has twenty more hits than innings pitched...a seven era and most pathetic more walks than strikeouts...pretty amazing that he was 3-1
stats, schmats. he kept them in every game that he pitched, save for the one against dc. no, he wasnt good. at all. but he wasnt atroscious. im not mad that cole got the call, just kinda feel bad the madson only got one month to proove himself as a starter. but, such is life. he should effective out of the pen, and hes had enough success in the majors to not have his confidence rattled because of this.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 10, 2006, 03:59:11 PM
If the Phillies were 10 games under .500 right now, Hamels would still be in Scranton and Madson would still be in the starting rotation.
He got his shot in that they could no longer justify keeping him in the rotation considering the position they find themselves in at the moment.
Bringing up Hamels now and putting Madson in the bullpen is as clear a sign as you'll ever see from the Phillies that they're going for broke this year. All I can say is, it's about farging time.
I can't wait to see what's next.
I was thinking about this. If Hamels comes up a pitches at least competently in the 5 spot and Myers keeps pitching like he is, do the Phillies try to go out and get starting pitching around the trade deadline?
Quote from: NGM on May 10, 2006, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 10, 2006, 03:59:11 PM
If the Phillies were 10 games under .500 right now, Hamels would still be in Scranton and Madson would still be in the starting rotation.
He got his shot in that they could no longer justify keeping him in the rotation considering the position they find themselves in at the moment.
Bringing up Hamels now and putting Madson in the bullpen is as clear a sign as you'll ever see from the Phillies that they're going for broke this year. All I can say is, it's about farging time.
I can't wait to see what's next.
I was thinking about this. If Hamels comes up a pitches at least competently in the 5 spot and Myers keeps pitching like he is, do the Phillies try to go out and get starting pitching around the trade deadline?
If Hamels works out, I don't think they have to worry about starting pitching. I'm more worried about middle relief, although hopefully Madson finds his magic again in that role. Is there any chance Wolf comes back this year with good stuff or just chalk it up to a rehab season?
Wolf might be able to come back around August was the last timetable I saw. I wonder how he would feel about pitching out of the pen.
Gillick is on DNL talking about Hamels right now.
If Hamels works out, I don't think they have to worry about starting pitching.
bold statement--the Phillies always have to worry about starting pitching. Dont let a winning streak fool ya bro. If they can do it by trade deadline, I say make it happen.
As for tonight's game, I really feel that Lidle needs to put one in Reye's ear to start the game. Pedro hit two guys, Heilman got close to Abreu. We can't accept thast shtein! Someone's gotta have the balls to protect our hitters.
I think Heilman did get JRoll didn't her?
Quote from: NGM on May 10, 2006, 05:54:31 PM
I think Heilman did get JRoll didn't her?
Yes, Heilman hit Rollins in the 9th when Jimmy was down in the count 0-2.
Well, this is starting well. Howard error, Lidle error. 2-0 Mets.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 10, 2006, 12:47:26 PM
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14546016.htm
just more confirmation
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Lidle looks like shtein.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 10, 2006, 07:31:35 PM
Lidle looks like shtein.
Yeah, he has zero control tonight.
Quote from: NGM on May 10, 2006, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 10, 2006, 07:31:35 PM
Lidle looks like shtein.
Yeah, he has zero control tonight.
Bases jammed no outs down 4-0 and its only the 3rd inning. Time to get some arms up in the pen.
Long winning streaks always seem to be snapped by a crappy game where the team doesn't show up. Looks to be another case of that.
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching, I don't see how this game can get out of reach.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 10, 2006, 07:31:35 PM
Lidle looks like shtein.
And he smells like shtein to.
with glavine pitching.. it just did.
bench lidle. then shoot him.
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:54:45 PM
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching, I don't see how this game can get out of reach.
I wouldn't call Glavine "average", and since when do the Mets have a sub-par offense? I will agree that it is early, and not out of reach, but those two points about the Mets are stone retarded.
Not defending Lidle, he didn't show anything tonight, but they could have Christ throwing heat tonight and they would still be in a hole. The teams looks asleep.....so does the crowd.
Mercy rule.
10-0, yeah I'd say it's out of reach.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 10, 2006, 07:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:54:45 PM
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching, I don't see how this game can get out of reach.
I wouldn't call Glavine "average", and since when do the Mets have a sub-par offense? I will agree that it is early, and not out of reach, but those two points about the Mets are stone retarded.
Not defending Lidle, he didn't show anything tonight, but they could have Christ throwing heat tonight and they would still be in a hole. The teams looks asleep.....so does the crowd.
Yup on all points.
At least there's a new Lost on tonight.
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:54:45 PM
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching :-D, I don't see how this game can get out of reach :o.
:paranoid :-D
Yeah, it's done. Was a fun streak though.
I think Howard might kill himself tonight. Poor guy.
With the way he is throwing the ball tonight, he would probably miss if he was trying to shoot himself, so we have that going for us.
Can't....................turn.................off.............zesty.....................game..................
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 10, 2006, 08:02:50 PM
At least there's a new Lost on tonight.
Yeah but I gotta wait six more hours as it is delayed in Hawaii. Hopefully this debacle is over by 8:00 PM HST.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 10, 2006, 07:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:54:45 PM
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching, I don't see how this game can get out of reach.
I wouldn't call Glavine "average", and since when do the Mets have a sub-par offense? I will agree that it is early, and not out of reach, but those two points about the Mets are stone retarded.
Not defending Lidle, he didn't show anything tonight, but they could have Christ throwing heat tonight and they would still be in a hole. The teams looks asleep.....so does the crowd.
Glavine is as old as my grandmother, and he's always been overrated anyway.
The Mets have always had a sub-par offense. They leave men on all the time and don't have many power hitters. Delgado is really their only power hitter and he strikes out far too much.
Quote from: NGM on May 10, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
I think Howard might kill himself tonight. Poor guy.
He looks lost at the plate too, ya gotta wonder if there's something else going on with him.
But, yeah, like MDS said. You always seem to lose streaks to those crappy teams. It's happening tonight. It's not a bad thing. It happens, it's baseball.
This is a trainwreck.
Philly_Forever is a total failure when it comes to any sort of prediction:
1. We'll get Javon Walker.
> Traded to Denver
2. We'll definately draft Chad Jackson if we don't get Walker
> Jackson goes to New England
3. The Flyers will kick Buffalo's collective asses. Esche is god.
> What an excellently competitive series that was.
4. Mets 6 Phils 0. It's early, the Mets offense and pitching is gimp. We're still in it.
> Poopy! It's 10-0 in the bottom of the third.
Let's hope he starts predicting the Eagles/Flyers/Phils/Soul/Whoever/Anyone won't win shtein. Ass.
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 10, 2006, 07:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:54:45 PM
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching, I don't see how this game can get out of reach.
I wouldn't call Glavine "average", and since when do the Mets have a sub-par offense? I will agree that it is early, and not out of reach, but those two points about the Mets are stone retarded.
Not defending Lidle, he didn't show anything tonight, but they could have Christ throwing heat tonight and they would still be in a hole. The teams looks asleep.....so does the crowd.
Glavine is as old as my grandmother, and he's always been overrated anyway.
The Mets have always had a sub-par offense. They leave men on all the time and don't have many power hitters. Delgado is really their only power hitter and he strikes out far too much.
Do some research. What are his stats thus far in the season? Get back to me on that. How many career wins does this "overrated" guy have? Get back to me with that too. Oh, and your grandmother is 40? Clemens is 43, Glavine is 40, so that must mean Clemens is teh supr-suk!
I didn't predict any of those things, but ok.
So far I haven't gotten a prediction wrong. I'm not the only one who said the game wasn't out of reach. That wasn't a prediction, it was a statement based on the game being down 4 runs. 4 runs isn't out of reach. I never predicted we'd win.
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 10, 2006, 07:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:54:45 PM
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching, I don't see how this game can get out of reach.
I wouldn't call Glavine "average", and since when do the Mets have a sub-par offense? I will agree that it is early, and not out of reach, but those two points about the Mets are stone retarded.
Not defending Lidle, he didn't show anything tonight, but they could have Christ throwing heat tonight and they would still be in a hole. The teams looks asleep.....so does the crowd.
Glavine is as old as my grandmother, and he's always been overrated anyway.
The Mets have always had a sub-par offense. They leave men on all the time and don't have many power hitters. Delgado is really their only power hitter and he strikes out far too much.
Glavine's 20 something wins from 300 victories, he's hardly what I'd called 'overrated'. And he's still very effective, in case you weren't watching tonight we've scored 0 runs.
A lineup only needs one pure power hitter, they have guys like Beltran, Wright, Floyd, and Nady who can drive in runs and have 30 HR potential.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 10, 2006, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 10, 2006, 07:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:54:45 PM
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching, I don't see how this game can get out of reach.
I wouldn't call Glavine "average", and since when do the Mets have a sub-par offense? I will agree that it is early, and not out of reach, but those two points about the Mets are stone retarded.
Not defending Lidle, he didn't show anything tonight, but they could have Christ throwing heat tonight and they would still be in a hole. The teams looks asleep.....so does the crowd.
Glavine is as old as my grandmother, and he's always been overrated anyway.
The Mets have always had a sub-par offense. They leave men on all the time and don't have many power hitters. Delgado is really their only power hitter and he strikes out far too much.
Do some research. What are his stats thus far in the season? Get back to me on that. How many career wins does this "overrated" guy have? Get back to me with that too. Oh, and your grandmother is 40? Clemens is 43, Glavine is 40, so that must mean Clemens is teh supr-suk!
18th in total runs. Which is on the bottom half of the league. Which is sub-par.
As for Glavine, I'm just being a hater.
Who is 17th? Oh, it's the Phillies.
What team is third in ERA? Oh, that would be the Mets. Their pitching is so totally average.
Burrell yard to left with Abreu on board. 10-2.
The was the first hit for the Phils.
Howard singles to left.
Bell strikes out looking, guns the bat to the ground, and probably gets himself a nice fine.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 10, 2006, 08:27:57 PM
Who is 17th? Oh, it's the Phillies.
What team is third in ERA? Oh, that would be the Mets. Their pitching is so totally average.
It's not playing average, but the Mets won't be making the playoffs this year, so eventually they'll come back to earth.
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 08:17:09 PM
I didn't predict any of those things, but ok.
So far I haven't gotten a prediction wrong. I'm not the only one who said the game wasn't out of reach. That wasn't a prediction, it was a statement based on the game being down 4 runs. 4 runs isn't out of reach. I never predicted we'd win.
Are you in denial? We didn't get walker if you haven't heard ;D
I said if the Packers don't budge in their asking price then we wouldn't get him. They asked for a first and we didn't. Prediction correct. :yay ;)
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 08:39:55 PM
It's not playing average, but the Mets won't be making the playoffs this year, so eventually they'll come back to earth.
Can we count that as one of your predictions? Or is that a patented P_F pseudo-prediction?
Ryan Howard's defense has been atrocious. Time to get it right, Ryan. I'm tired of seeing piss poor defense.
And Lidle ws not on tonight, it was his shortest outing since 1999.
Rain forecasted for tomorrow...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2006, 09:09:09 PM
Ryan Howard's defense has been atrocious. Time to get it right, Ryan. I'm tired of seeing piss poor defense.
And Lidle ws not on tonight, it was his shortest outing since 1999.
Rain forecasted for tomorrow...
Maybe they can schedule the makeup in September. Because it might matter more then.
Pat Burrell and Ryan Howard are so unclutch! Hitting these HRs when they are losing by 10!
12-3 Mets in the b7th now.
FYI:
Chris Booker was placed on waivers and claimed by Kansas City. So it'll be Geary or Santana who goes out on FRI and my guess is Santana because he's been crap and he's getting lit up right now.
Also,
Cole Hamels' real first name is....
Colbert.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 10, 2006, 07:58:38 PM
The teams looks asleep.....so does the crowd.
Schmitty knew how to take care of that......pop a few greenies.
The carnage is over.
13-4.
Alex Gonzalez K's and the ball gets away and he doesn't even run to 1st. He is now batting a wonderful .080. A run would've scored on that and not that it matters much, but RUN TO 1st LOSER.
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 07:54:45 PM
It's still early. With the Mets' sub-par offense and average pitching, I don't see how this game can get out of reach.
meet kreskin
Some days you get the bull and others the bull gets you.
After watching that first inning at the pub tonight, I didn't even bother watching the rest of the game. I watched the hockey games on HD and occasionally glanced over at the Phils game on the 19-inch television they stuck me with.
::)
i heart PhillyForever's declarative statments.
What a crappy game.
ryan howard is a designated hitter
trade howard for thome
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2006, 10:07:58 PM
The carnage is over.
13-4.
Alex Gonzalez K's and the ball gets away and he doesn't even run to 1st. He is now batting a wonderful .080. A run would've scored on that and not that it matters much, but RUN TO 1st LOSER.
Shoulda never dumped the pieman.
Quote from: Bunkley "The Thing" on May 10, 2006, 08:55:24 PM
I said if the Packers don't budge in their asking price then we wouldn't get him. They asked for a first and we didn't. Prediction correct. :yay ;)
you also predicted:
QuoteIf all the teams that want him address their receiver needs in the draft, the market will even be thinner than it is now.
I say if he's not traded by monday he won't be dealt at all.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2006, 11:50:01 AM
The Phils fans do it up at Shea too. But I agree, I hate it when I see the stadium filled with losers from Queens.
Anyways, enough about the Mets fans. F the bums.
No thoughts on Hamels possibly coming up Friday?
:'(
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 11, 2006, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2006, 11:50:01 AM
The Phils fans do it up at Shea too. But I agree, I hate it when I see the stadium filled with losers from Queens.
Anyways, enough about the Mets fans. F the bums.
No thoughts on Hamels possibly coming up Friday?
:'(
Bum!
I cant wait till Hamels makes his debut Friday. I cant remember the last time i was this excited to see a phillie pitch.
rain with temps in the low 40's tomorrow nite in cincy...not exactly ideal weather for a guy that was kept in florida for an extra couple weeks to be in the heat
MLB TV stream is inop. Is the game rained out?
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 11, 2006, 07:16:04 PM
MLB TV stream is inop. Is the game rained out?
Not yet. Rain was coming down for a while but it seems to have eased up for the moment. 2 outs, top 1st, Beltran on 1st.
Holy shtein Rowand just made one of the greatest catches in Major League history. Absolutely unblelievable. He's hurt bad, his nose is bleeding, looks like its broke.
that was maybe the best catch i've ever seen.
he just became a philly legend.
I first though he collided and tore his rotator cuff. If it's only a broken nose he won't miss a game for that. He won't come back tonight though.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 11, 2006, 07:33:39 PM
that was maybe the best catch i've ever seen.
he just became a philly legend.
I was thinking that when he was walking off the field to a standing O. Next thing I did was check how much a Rowand Jersey would go for.
Wow.
Seriously, I don't recall ever seeing a better catch. Unbelievable. He had to know it was going to be a nasty collision.
They shouldn't be able to live with themselves if they lose this game.
:bow
Chase put 'em up 1-0 with a HR
Just confirmed Rowand's nose is broke (shouldn't be a shock)
Mickey: Your nose is broke kid
Rocky: How's it look?
Mickey: Eh, it's an improvement
I was driving to the drug store (damn sinus infections) and heard Scott Graham call it on my XM radio. Even on the radio it was an incredible catch- can't wait to see the replay.
BTW- He's no Harry Kalas, but I actually like Scott Graham. He just needs a better analyst.
Wheeler :boom
Changed my avatar in honor of Rowand being a tough badass motherfarger.
:yay
Damn, Utley just came a couple feet or so from hitting his second HR of the night. Heads up play by Rollins to tag up.
Excellent baseball tonight. :yay
Mets announcers are annoying me, though.
Abreu & Burrell do their best to make it a quick half-inning.
;)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 11, 2006, 08:12:36 PM
Changed my avatar in honor of Rowand being a tough badass motherfarger.
:yay
I had it first! Wanna shoot for it?
We'll go by CF registration date.
:D
...at least use a different pic.
Romes
David Bell = God.
What a great play by Bell, he just saved a run. Floyd's lucking out with the way the defense is playing for him tonight. This game could easily be 4-1.
Looks like we have a couple of fairies on our hand....but they are respecting aaron rowand, so ill call off the fag drag.
My Rownad avatar is better than yours. :D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 11, 2006, 08:25:38 PM
Romes
Has your ass finally healed up after your "Equator Ceremony", sailor boy?
Nice, Victorino with a great hustle play to stretch a single into a double. Bell knocks him in, 2-0. Lets get this inning over with so this game becomes official.
Floyd doesn't get the bunt down.
:boom
I was so pissed the other night! The local news I was watching ran out of time last night so they couldn't show the Victorino take down at home plate the other night. They talked about it real brief, gee thanks. Sick of all the Michele Wei stories. Show more Shane!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 11, 2006, 08:41:33 PM
Floyd doesn't get the bunt down.
:boom
For as often as these pitchers CAN get the bunt down, there is no use bunting with one out. Better off telling him to never take the bat off his shoulder asnd take three pitches.
Man on 1st and 2nd and none out? Bunt to set up the sacrifice fly.
Man on 1st and 2nd and one out? What's the use?
Bases loaded - Utley's up.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 11, 2006, 08:41:33 PM
Floyd doesn't get the bunt down.
I think it's pretty asinine that Floyd looked so helpless trying to lay down a bunt.
From middle school, to American Legion, to high school, then the rinky-dink college I pitched for, when you weren't throwing at practice, you were working on bunts. Granted, it is a skill, and some people just aren't good, but Floyd looked like someone explained how to bunt to him in the dugout, and it was his first attempt ever.
They've stranded what, 6-7 guys tonight? :boom
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 11, 2006, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 11, 2006, 08:41:33 PM
Floyd doesn't get the bunt down.
I think it's pretty asinine that Floyd looked so helpless trying to lay down a bunt.
From middle school, to American Legion, to high school, then the rinky-dink college I pitched for, when you weren't throwing at practice, you were working on bunts. Granted, it is a skill, and some people just aren't good, but Floyd looked like someone explained how to bunt to him in the dugout, and it was his first attempt ever.
Since they don't hit pitchers in the minor leagues, I wonder how much practice the pitchers actually get for bunting.
Great pitch by Floyd to get the inning ending K on Beltran.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 11, 2006, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 11, 2006, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 11, 2006, 08:41:33 PM
Floyd doesn't get the bunt down.
I think it's pretty asinine that Floyd looked so helpless trying to lay down a bunt.
From middle school, to American Legion, to high school, then the rinky-dink college I pitched for, when you weren't throwing at practice, you were working on bunts. Granted, it is a skill, and some people just aren't good, but Floyd looked like someone explained how to bunt to him in the dugout, and it was his first attempt ever.
Since they don't hit pitchers in the minor leagues, I wonder how much practice the pitchers actually get for bunting.
None.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 11, 2006, 08:53:45 PM
Great pitch by Floyd to get the inning ending K on Beltran.
Yep. Beltran was definitely not looking for a fastball down the middle. Amazingly enough.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 11, 2006, 08:54:55 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 11, 2006, 08:53:45 PM
Great pitch by Floyd to get the inning ending K on Beltran.
Yep. Beltran was definitely not looking for a fastball down the middle. Amazingly enough.
That pitch had some good movement on it and slightly painted the outside corner of the plate.
Tarps are coming on the field from the sudden downpour. At least this one's official.
Ahahahaha. It started raining cats & dogs 30 seconds after the end of the 1/2 inning.
Official game! W0Ot!!!!1111!
Current RADAR:
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:-D
Oh I get it, the red and blue represent the Phils and Mets. Brilliant.
QuoteSpecial Weather Statement
...HEAVY RAIN POSSIBLE TONIGHT AND FRIDAY MORNING...
A COMPLEX FRONT MOVING INTO THE APPALACHIAN REGION THIS AFTERNOON IS EXPECTED TO SLOW DOWN AS IT MOVES ACROSS OUR AREA OVERNIGHT AND FRIDAY MORNING. THIS SLOW MOVING SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO GENERATE RAIN AND POSSIBLE THUNDERSTORMS.
A WIDESPREAD BAND OF RAIN AND WIDELY SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD ADVANCE FROM THE WEST THIS EVENING. THIS BAND MIGHT NOT CLEAR SECTIONS OF NORTHERN AND EAST CENTRAL NEW JERSEY UNTIL FRIDAY MORNING. THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING, STORM TOTALS SHOULD AVERAGE ONE TO TWO INCHES, BUT LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS OF UP TO THREE INCHES ARE POSSIBLE. LOCATIONS THAT MAY SEE HIGHER AMOUNTS ARE THOSE IN THE HIGHER TERRAIN OF NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA AND NORTHERN NEW JERSEY AND THOSE THAT EXPERIENCE THUNDERSTORMS.
RIVERS AND LARGER STREAMS ARE RUNNING WELL BELOW NORMAL AND SHOULD NOT FLOOD, BUT THERE LIKELY WILL BE URBAN AND POOR DRAINAGE FLOODING. FLOODING OF SOME OF THE SMALLEST STREAMS ALSO IS POSSIBLE. THE HEAVY RAIN MIGHT INTERFERE WITH THE MORNING COMMUTE IN PARTS OF NORTHERN NEW JERSEY. ELSEWHERE, HEAVY RAIN IS EXPECTED TO FALL OVERNIGHT, AFTER THIS EVENING'S COMMUTE IS OVER. THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS SITUATION CLOSELY.
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Bring on Cole. I love the way this team is playing. We'll get a real good idea against the Reds.
Just bought tickets to all three games when they come to play in D.C.
farging idiot D.C. fans were all lovey-dovey with the Nats last year, and totally bailed on them this year. Tickets are available anywhere in the stadium, and are dirt cheap.
I don't see how they're going to get the game in tomorrow. Look at that mess in the midwest. :P
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Game officially ended. Phils win 2-0 :yay
Rowand's catch for your PC (http://crmweb.ictgroup.com/mustang/rowandcatch.wmv) (right-click to save it to your PC)
Grab it now and put it up on Youtube or something. I can't host it for long....
Photobucket has video hosting now as well.
Thanks for the hookup, Bigs.
:yay
Scott Graham made a great call on it. My friend recorded it, I could get him to send it to me and I could upload it.
Awesome! Thanks for the link.
on ESPN, they said that Rowand had been begging the team to put padding on that portion of the fence, for that exact reason. and in fact, the padding had arrived this week, but the team hadn't installed it yet.
Phillies Management...it's Phantastic!
Mo...
QuoteUpdated: May 11, 2006, 11:27 PM ET
Rowand breaks nose, leaves game for hospital
ESPN.com news services
Aaron Rowand broke his nose and was taken to Thomas Jefferson University Hospital for stitches Thursday night after a fantastic catch knocked him out of Philadelphia's game against the New York Mets.
With two outs and the bases loaded in the first inning, Xavier Nady hit a deep drive off Gavin Floyd to center field that put Rowand on the run.
Rowand made the catch in his outstretched glove as he smacked face-first into the fence and collapsed to the ground. He gamely held up his mitt to show the ball and then rested on his hands and knees as trainers and Phillies manager Charlie Manuel ran out.
Rowand, acquired in the trade that sent Jim Thome to the White Sox, held a towel on his face as he was helped off the field to a standing ovation.
Shane Victorino replaced Rowand in the second inning.
Earlier this season, Rowand requested additional padding be added to the fence. The padding was ordered immediately but did not arrive until a couple days ago. (Rowand had been informed of the progress.) The padding is scheduled to be installed next week.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 11, 2006, 10:36:35 PM
Game officially ended. Phils win 2-0 :yay
Nothing like a 5-inning "complete game" shutout for Floyd. :yay
If not a game-saver (since it would have probably still been washed out), the catch was certainly a
win-saver for the Phils.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 11, 2006, 10:40:24 PM
Rowand's catch for your PC (http://crmweb.ictgroup.com/mustang/rowandcatch.wmv) (right-click to save it to your PC)
Grab it now and put it up on Youtube or something. I can't host it for long....
Ed, you old rebel you. Thanks!
On a side note, that Victorino is FAST!
Geary sent down to SWB to make room for Hamels
Meh. Santana is probably worse. Oh well, if Santana sucks it up a few more times they can always just cut him and bring Geary back up for the essential duty of 7th man out of the pen.
1. Geary was the chosen one because he has an option left. Santana would've had to been DFA'd. But like MDS said, once Julio starts throwing BP, he'll be gone soon.
2. Aaron Rowand's catch was farging amazing. I heard about it at work. Actually, I heard a loud shout come from the inmates watching the game on their TVs and then my Mets fan friend told me about it. I sped home so I could watch the replay of the game and see the catch. Simply amazing.
Anyone see that redness under his left eye? I wonder if that was another cut, immediate bruising or just smeared blood from his nose?
Either way, that was awesome.
3. Gavin Floyd pitched nicely after that 1st inning. He had one bout with wildness and then settled in.
4. I will miss Colbert's start tomorrow night. I'm sad. I will not listen to the radio on the way home and fight everyone who talks about the game at work so I don't have to hear the score.
5. Anyone catch Hayes' piece about Sal The Gritty Blue Collar South Philly Guy whining about Ruiz starting over him last night? Yo Sal, shut it.
6. Rowand tried to talk the EMT's into letting him go into the dugout and they obviously said no.
7. Shane Victorino is playing well too. His hustle out of the box on that single he turned intoa double was nice. Combine that with him trucking Lo Duca the other night and I am impressed with him on the bases..
Also, I was reading on the EMB that Ken Injury Jr. said that Hamels was overrated and a media creation. Anyone else read or hear him say that?
QuoteRowand was admitted to Thomas Jefferson University Hospital where he will undergo further evaluation after his violent collision with the center-field wall. Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said a disabled list stint could be likely for his starting center fielder.
"He's hurt pretty bad," Manuel said. "He's going to be out for a while. How long? I don't know yet."
QuoteUnfortunately for Rowand, it's probably going to cost him a couple of weeks on the disabled list.
He was admitted to Thomas Jefferson University Hospital late Thursday night with a broken nose and is expected to undergo surgery on Friday. A decision was not immediately made whether to put him on the DL, but that could come as early as Friday.
"He's going to be out for a while," manager Charlie Manuel.
I guess if/when he does go on the DL they will call up Chris Roberson.
A couple weeks for a broken nose? Unless he has a concussion that's pretty lame. Rowand is as tough as they come. I have a hard time believing he can't play through a broken nose. It won't hamper his play at all.
If he had/has more damage internally, like a punctured septum or whatever, then it could be the reason. Plus he has that laceration under his eye too. Brendan Donnelly of the Agels got hit in the face with a line drive and it broke his nose and messed up the septum and he was out for awhile too.
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QuoteRowand catch: Nose guts, nose glory
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
TOUGH-GUY centerfielder Lenny Dykstra carried the nickname "Nails."
Call Aaron Rowand "Spike."
Rowand destroyed his nose last night against a bared metal strip that runs along the top of the window of the Phillies' bullpen in centerfield - a strip he identified as dangerous as soon as he saw it last month.
He was hurt making a catch that saved three runs from scoring and ended the first inning. It won the game, a 2-0, rain-shortened affair over the Mets in 4 ½ innings.
Chase Utley hit a homer, his eighth, in the bottom of the first off Steve Trachsel (2-3). David Bell drove in a second run, scored by Rowand's replacement, Shane Victorino, who had hustled a single into a double. Bell saved a run with a diving play in the fourth. Gavin Floyd (4-2) pitched a sloppy, scoreless five innings for his third straight win. It gave the Phillies a 2-1 series win, their 10th win in 11 games, leaving them a game over .500 at home as they start a six-game road trip and drawing them to within three games of the first-place Mets.
No one will remember any of that stuff.
What they will remember is that, at 7:17 p.m., a new hero was born in Philadelphia.
"Whump!" said bullpen coach Ramon Henderson.
"Pac!" offered rightfielder Bobby Abreu.
They tried to replicate the sound Rowand's body made when he rammed facefirst into the fence and caught Xavier Nady's bases-loaded drive with two out.
Rowand caught the ball but could not fully extend his arms in time to soften the blow. His legs hit first, where the wall is padded, but his head struck a metal strip that runs just above the windowed portion of the wall.
The crowd gasped, hung in suspense... until Rowand, on his back, raised his glove to indicate possession, saving starter Gavin Floyd from a three-run, first-inning debacle.
Teammates rushed to his side as he rolled onto his stomach.
"I'm all right, I'm all right," Rowand told Abreu, the first person to arrive. Abreu waved for medical assistance, then plucked the ball from Rowand's glove to indicate that Rowand made the catch.
Catching instructor Mick Bill-meyer scrambled from the bullpen to Rowand's side. Henderson handed him a towel to catch some of the blood streaming from Rowand's nose.
Billmeyer, holding the towel, saturated in seconds, found himself nauseated at the sight until Rowand quipped: "Good thing I've got a hard head."
As the medical staff ran across the field, Rowand saw the blood streaming from his body, from a cut across the bridge of his nose and from both nostrils.
"Squeeze it, Mick," he said. "Squeeze it. Harder."
"I ain't squeezing it harder. It's broke," Billmeyer said, avoiding the pooling blood that fell, said Abreu, "like rain."
"Squeeze it," Rowand said in a nasal growl.
Billmeyer squeezed.
Rowand soon left the game via an exit in the rightfield corner to a standing ovation from a crowd of 28,224, but you can bet that, by the end of the week, 100,000 will have sworn to have been there. He was admitted to Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, where he spent the night, scheduled to have his nose repaired this morning. The Phillies might place him on the disabled list. Victorino will start in his place.
No one can replace his presence. His teammates can only play to repay his commitment.
There were tales of Rowand's toughness before. His teammates know he plays hard. Shoot, this is a guy who broke his left shoulder blade, punctured a lung, broke two ribs and suffered nerve damage in a dirt-bike accident in 2002. The blue-collar Chicago fans gave him the loudest, longest ovation when the White Sox received their World Series rings in April; he is the main price the Sox paid to get Jim Thome from the Phillies.
Thome was a huge fan favorite. His teammates loved him.
This is a different kind of affection.
"Aaron's catch fired us up a little bit," Utley said. "It truly tells what kind of player he is. If people didn't know about him before, they do now."
"The least we could do was win the game," shortstop Jimmy Rollins said.
"That's going to keep us playing hard," Abreu vowed. "That pumps you up. It shows your teammate will give everything - everything - for the team."
"I saw him make the same exact play in Chicago once," said closer Tom Gordon.
In Chicago, Rowand didn't have the same issue he had with the fence at the Bank.
As soon as he arrived in Philadelphia after spring training, Rowand identified the metal strip that crushed his nose as dangerous. He got the team to order padding for the strip. Ominously, during batting practice yesterday he pointed out the strip again to teammates.
The padding arrived Tuesday. It is scheduled for installation while the team is away on their trip.
That didn't happen in time to save Spike's face.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 12, 2006, 12:43:47 AM
On a side note, that Victorino is FAST!
Hawaii state 100 meter champ. Set the record in 1999.
Anyone listen to the audio during the rain delay? A caller made reference to the need for more padding in the outfield. I don't remember which announcer it was, but basically dismissed the caller saying do they need to pad the dugout floors and the cutouts are needed for the pitchers. It is easy to see from the video that the pitchers can see sitting on the bench. They need to close the entire outfield off with pads.
Rowand guaranteed himself one thing last night: He'll never, ever have to pay for another meal in Philly again.
:-D
I'm still marvelling over that catch and the balls it took for him to give himself up to complete the play. Just unreal.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 12, 2006, 04:05:03 AM
If he had/has more damage internally, like a punctured septum or whatever, then it could be the reason. Plus he has that laceration under his eye too. Brendan Donnelly of the Agels got hit in the face with a line drive and it broke his nose and messed up the septum and he was out for awhile too.
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didnt the same thing happen to Geary last season? i seem to remember him fouling a ball off of his face at the plate and him going on the DL.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 12, 2006, 03:31:15 AM
Actually, I heard a loud shout come from the inmates watching the game on their TVs
The inmates get their own TVs and get to watch the Phils? Maybe prison isn't such a bad idea.
Prison bish?
plus you can farg and both watch the game at the same time
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2006, 09:39:37 AM
plus you can farg and both watch the game at the same time
Isn't that also the punchline for the NASCAR joke?
:-D
it should be...i tend to use it more for canadians and hockey games
If the Phillies win the Series, Aaron Rowand is the reason. I heart him.
If the Phillies win the Series, Aaron Rowand is the reason
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If it's only a broken nose he won't miss a game for that
another great call by PF....rowand is on the DL
roberson called up
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 12, 2006, 09:39:10 AM
Prison bish?
Sounds better than the Navy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2006, 11:21:24 AM
If it's only a broken nose he won't miss a game for that
another great call by PF....rowand is on the DL
roberson called up
Yes but he didn't guarantee it, if he 'guarantees' something it comes true...either that or he deletes it.
once again...awesome timing by a philadelphia sports team
this is why its not worth it to run into walls. now hes gone for over over two weeks. great.
who cares......as long as hes back for the world series
Rowand runs through walls.
Victorino slams catchers.
Hamels is a barroom brawler.
I LOVE THIS TEAM!!!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2006, 01:42:05 PM
who cares......as long as hes back for the world series
now that made me chuckle IGY...
the day that padding arrived it should've been installed.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 11, 2006, 10:40:24 PM
Rowand's catch for your PC (http://crmweb.ictgroup.com/mustang/rowandcatch.wmv) (right-click to save it to your PC)
Grab it now and put it up on Youtube or something. I can't host it for long....
Thanks Ed. The best part of that is hearing Harry K call it. :yay
Hamels has a 1-2-3 first inning, with 2 Ks, including Griffey on 3 pitches.
Nice, 1,2,3 first inning for Hamels with 2 Ks. Struck Ken Injury Jr. out on 3 pitches.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 12, 2006, 07:23:27 PM
Nice, 1,2,3 first inning for Hamels with 2 Ks. Struck Ken Injury Jr. out on 3 pitches.
(http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/8562/wonka1vb2ne.gif)
Man I know people haven't seen Hamels but he made Junior Griffey look foolish. That inning made me happy in pants.
King Cole. Phillies need 1 run to win this game.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 12, 2006, 07:24:00 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 12, 2006, 07:23:27 PM
Nice, 1,2,3 first inning for Hamels with 2 Ks. Struck Ken Injury Jr. out on 3 pitches.
(http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/8562/wonka1vb2ne.gif)
Soy un perdedor
Ryan Howard gone! 2 run shot.
2-0 Phils
Hamels looks like hes trying to imitate Arthur Rhodes with all the walks, but he still hasnt given up a hit. So...its all good.
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2006, 08:16:54 PM
Hamels looks like hes trying to imitate Arthur Rhodes with all the walks, but he still hasnt given up a hit. So...its all good.
He does seem a little amped up. Understandable for a 22-year-ols making his MLB debut.
He's got some electric stuff, though. :yay
Hamels doesn't get cheated on his swing, either.
If he can ever learn to connect...
Just tuned in. My god is this for real? I love it.
Bobby! :boom
For those watching on TV how close was that catch by Victorino? Radio guys more pissed that he tried to sell the catch to the umps instead of getting the ball in.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 12, 2006, 08:35:34 PM
For those watching on TV how close was that catch by Victorino? Radio guys more pissed that he tried to sell the catch to the umps instead of getting the ball in.
It one hopped pretty clearly on TV, but Victorino made a nice play to stop the ball.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 12, 2006, 08:35:34 PM
For those watching on TV how close was that catch by Victorino? Radio guys more pissed that he tried to sell the catch to the umps instead of getting the ball in.
It was pretty obvious it bounced off the ground and into his glove.
Hamels sure does have a live arm, has some control issues that need to be addressed.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 12, 2006, 08:35:34 PM
For those watching on TV how close was that catch by Victorino? Radio guys more pissed that he tried to sell the catch to the umps instead of getting the ball in.
Victorino may have legitimately thought he had caught it, but it was trapped. The ball clearly hit the ground.
Scott Graham: "You know who Griffey is starting to resemble? His Dad, he's starting to look like his Dad"
Ouch.
Hamels is done for the night, I would have let him hit but oh well.
5 IP 1 H 0 R 7 Ks 5 W
Not a bad nights work for a 22 year old.
Gotta get the W for Hamels after the way he pitched. :yay
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 12, 2006, 08:44:06 PM
Scott Graham: "You know who Griffey is starting to resemble? His Dad, he's starting to look like his Dad"
Ouch.
Hanging around wheels way to much.
Uh oh. Thats not what I was looking for. 2-1 Phils.
BIG F WORD!
Victorino is 3-for-3 tonight. Aaron who? :paranoid :-D
Seriously, nice to see the kid step in and have a good night.
ryan madsen is a farging retard
abreu needs a day off. dude is slumpin big time.
madson is a douche.
abraham nunez sucks.
Quote from: MDS on May 12, 2006, 09:10:37 PM
abreu needs a day off. dude is slumpin big time.
madson is a douche.
abraham nunez sucks.
Agreed on all three points. Bobby needs to take a nap.
Hawaii loves Shane!!!!!!
Quote from: Don Ho on May 12, 2006, 09:58:07 PM
Hawaii loves Shane!!!!!!
Nobody was more surprised by that homer than Victorino. He ran to first like his tail end was on fire. :-D
Mr. 0-for-12 Jon Lieber bats for Rhodes. :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 12, 2006, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on May 12, 2006, 09:58:07 PM
Hawaii loves Shane!!!!!!
Nobody was more surprised by that homer than Victorino. He ran to first like his tail end was on fire. :-D
It's that Maui Wowie stuff.
Balk? Man this is suicidal if your a Reds fan.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 12, 2006, 10:05:15 PM
Balk? Man this is suicidal if your a Reds fan.
Apparently no one told White that Dunn was going to play behind the bag. He was screwed as soon as he turned toward first.
Santana's in. It will be a save situation soon enough.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 12, 2006, 10:09:26 PM
Santana's in. It will be a save situation soon enough.
And you were saying. This guy really scares me.
Well THAT was fantastic, Bell! :boom
I really didn't want to drink tonight.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 12, 2006, 10:18:04 PM
I really didn't want to drink tonight.
:-D I just fired up a Crown and Coke myself. Santana is worse than a nagging women when it comes to driving someone to drink.
Quote from: NGM on May 12, 2006, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on May 12, 2006, 10:18:04 PM
I really didn't want to drink tonight.
:-D I just fired up a Crown and Coke myself. Santana is worse than a nagging women when it comes to driving someone to drink.
I already have one hand on the Stolley's.
Thank you flash.
What really gripes me is Madson gets the w. Life is not fair.
Yeah, he owes Hamels big time. I hope with Hamels coming up it might take some pressure of off Floyd.
Santana is awful
And the Mutts lose to Milwaukee. Only 2 back now. :yay
Scoreboard watching in May? Dude...don't even bother. It's not worth it. There are still 4 full months left.
Funny moment watching CBS tonight, they talked to a bunch of dolts in center city about the Rowand catch. the first guy ended his little brilliant analysis with "weve been waiting for bobby abreu to do something like that." sometimes i wish he would be traded to a town that would appreciate him, but then i remember that wed be losing our best overal hitter, so no.
Just another lemming who lets Howard Eskin, Glen Macnow, Angelo Cataldi, Rhea Hughes and Johnny Marzano (dude, did you know he used to play catcher and he knows Alex Rodrigues?!?!?!?) tell him what to think. Dooshbag. And I don't know who the bigger lameass is, the anti-Abreu guy or the TV stations who do the "man on the street" interviews for the sports teams. Incredibly gay and embarassing.
Nice game by Colbert tonight. He was a little wild, but I think that had something to do with the nerves and pitching away from contact a little bit. LA made a good pint about the mound being lower at that ballpark and that might be a reason why Cole was high on a lot of pitches.
I didn't have a problem with him being lifted when he was. It was cold and rainy and he's had a history of back problems. He also was at 92 pitches.
So you lift him and let him feel good about the performance and keep his pitch count under 100 considering the conditions.
Oh, and what the hell has happened to Ryan Madson? Jeez.
His fastball is too straight at times or it tails across the plate when it does move. That is, when he can actually locate it.
Rich Dubee and Ryan madson need to do a lot of work to get him straightened out.
Also, Shane Victorino played very well tonight. Way to step in for Rowand and have a great game, Shane.
Also, Bobby A and Jimmy are slumping big time. But the good thing is that despite that the team is winning. You know neither of them will slump for long and when they do get right, the offense will be that much better.
the amazing thing about abreus slump is he still as good at bats all the time and manages to draw a walk or two per game. i think hes reached base in every game this season. the guy is something else. but he doesnt run into walls on defense, so trade him for pitching.
Quote from: MDS on May 13, 2006, 02:47:07 AM
the amazing thing about abreus slump is he still as good at bats all the time and manages to draw a walk or two per game. i think hes reached base in every game this season. the guy is something else. but he doesnt run into walls on defense, so trade him for pitching.
Yes, that is the good thing about Bobby A. When he isn't hitting (I think he's like 6-38 in May with 0 XBH's) he still sees a ton of pitches and works the walk.
Speaking of the trade thing...
I was listening to some dopes on the radio while on my to and from work today...and I have to ask this. Do people watch baseball?
I heard about 20 people say trade him for Carl Pavano. PAVANO BLOWS!
Then I hear this other dickbag say that they should trade him and Dellucci to NY for Aaron Small and prospects just because they will get the $13-15M off of the books.
Ignorant people make me mad.
Keep this team "as-is" for now. No need to farg up a good thing.
Abreu will snap out of his slump eventually and will end up carrying the team for a few weeks when Utley, Howard or Burrell end up slumping, so there's no need to trade him anywhere.
The only scenario I can see them trading Abreu is if someone is desperate for a right fielder and has a #1 pitcher who is in his contract year. Of course, Abreu has a fntc, so he'd have to waive it for the deal to go through. All in all, a very unlikely scenario.
Just keep it "as-is" and keep the train moving for now...
you wait until the trade deadline, if the team's out of it, you trade Abreu, if they are in it, you add pieces.
you know, the walks are great and everything. but he doesn't want to lead off, he's a 3 hitter. sometimes, a 3 hitter has to take that 2-0 pitch down the middle and hit the farging ball instead of taking it just so everyone can say he "sees pitches". you don't want to hit leadoff? don't take every AB like it then.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2006, 02:56:28 AM
Quote from: MDS on May 13, 2006, 02:47:07 AM
the amazing thing about abreus slump is he still as good at bats all the time and manages to draw a walk or two per game. i think hes reached base in every game this season. the guy is something else. but he doesnt run into walls on defense, so trade him for pitching.
Yes, that is the good thing about Bobby A. When he isn't hitting (I think he's like 6-38 in May with 0 XBH's) he still sees a ton of pitches and works the walk.
Speaking of the trade thing...
I was listening to some dopes on the radio while on my to and from work today...and I have to ask this. Do people watch baseball?
I heard about 20 people say trade him for Carl Pavano. PAVANO BLOWS!
Then I hear this other dickbag say that they should trade him and Dellucci to NY for Aaron Small and prospects just because they will get the $13-15M off of the books.
Ignorant people make me mad.
Any of those trade scenarios would make Ed Wade look like a freaking genius.
Abreu is currently the Phils' best overall hitter (though Utley is a closer 2nd, and may eventually pass him). No one else has the combination of average, power and speed. Losing his bat would decimate the lineup, in my opinion.
Abreu is also signed through next season, with a team option for 2008. If traded, they'd better get a heck of a lot more that Carl Pavano or Aaron Small.
On the pink bats MLB is using tomorrow:
Quote...the Phillies' shipment arrived at the ballpark yesterday.
As expected, they drew some peculiar reactions. Third baseman David Bell looked over his two very pink Louisville Sluggers and seemed jealous that Chase Utley's bats are more of a cream color.
"It's a nice idea," Bell said. "I'll try one out in BP."
ha
Cole talks with Dei Lynam (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/051206-hamels.wmv)
Flyin Hawaiian, some music and some underwear (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/051206-victorino.wmv)
Johnny Marz loves the changeup (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/051206-marzano.wmv)
thanks for linking marzano, hes such a gooooooooooooooooood guy
cole rockin that 80's part down the middle w/ the hard feather...awful
That haircut got me more poon tang in high school than a brand new Trans Am, IGY.
:yay
Is anyone watching the game? For some reason it isn't on in Lancaster tonight.
People from Lancaster losers. Duh.
Lieber is perfect through 5. The other dude is shutting the Phillies down pretty easily.
I am. Just tuned in. Leiber is throwing a no-hitter? Something must be up.....
Perfect game thus far. Lieber is on fire. Phillies bats are really struggling though. :boom
Bell doubles to left, Howard scores. 1-0 Bums.
Man, Bell is nails lately with guys in scoring position.
Lieber is in a groove. His delivery is the same every pitch, and he is locating great. I'm starting to get seriously excited about this team. If Hamels continues to play like he did last night, and the rest of the rotation does stink the place up, this team is going places*.
*I still won't believe until I see it however.
I put the game on for the first time today, and 9.3 seconds later Dunn breaks up the perfect game.
Quote from: Die-Hard on May 13, 2006, 07:41:04 PM
I put the game on for the first time today, and 9.3 seconds later Dunn breaks up the perfect game.
I blame Scott Graham. He went down the list of infielders that wanted the ball hit to them in these situtions. "Bell wants it, Utley wants it, ROLLINS WANTS IT, I don't know about Howard."
Phils take it 2-0. This team is hot like no one's business. Gordon got in a bit of trouble, but went right after Dunn and put it away. Bring on the pink bats! :yay
World. Series.
Is that the 2 out of 3 broom, Romey? Plus, we woulda beat you guys in the rubber match if those gay umps didnt call the game. ::)
No. You just left a mess on the front porch again. Clean up after yourself, damn it. I ain't your mama.
:-D
Touche :-D
World. Series.
Quote from: Die-Hard on May 13, 2006, 08:59:48 PM
Is that the 2 out of 3 broom, Romey? Plus, we woulda beat you guys in the rubber match if those gay umps didnt call the game. ::)
:-D
We'll sweep in NY. ;)
ill be there august 4-5-6
gettin kicked out of minimum two of the three games
Lieber has been money his last 3 starts. Nice to see him gettin right. The entire rotation has been on. Well, with the exception of Corey Lidle's abortion the other night. But I wonder how he would've fared had Ryan Howard been able to make a play or four at 1B to you know, actually prevent runners from getting on, advancing and scoring.
My boy Brett Myers goes today and I think he will be on again. He is developing into a stud.
Bobby A has back spasms and will not play today. Roberson will probably start for him again since Claussen is a LHP.
Geary is back up. Did he even have time to unpack in Scranton? Julio Santana has elbow tendinitis and went on the 15 day DL.
QuoteLieber near-perfect in Phils' win
By Todd Zolecki
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
CINCINNATI - Phillies leftfielder Pat Burrell pulled rookie Chris Roberson to the side about the sixth inning tonight at Great American Ball Park.
"You know what's going on, right?"
"Yeah, we need some runs," Roberson replied.
"No, man," Burrell said. "Don't worry about the runs. We've got a no-no going. I know it's your first big-league start and everything, and I'm not trying to put any pressure on you, but we've got to catch everything."
"OK, I got it."
Phillies righthander Jon Lieber had a perfect game through 62/3 innings in an impressive 2-0 victory over the Cincinnati Reds. In 82/3 innings, Lieber (3-4) allowed just two hits and struck out six in easily his best start of the season. He threw 20 of 28 first-pitch strikes, and 83 strikes in 110 pitches overall.
"This is definitely a real big confidence-booster for me," Lieber said. "This was a big win."
Reds leftfielder Adam Dunn spoiled Lieber's quest for perfection when he hit an absolute bullet up the middle on a 0-1 fastball with two outs in the seventh. The ball zipped over Lieber's head and took a bounce off the infield dirt before it scooted past shortstop Jimmy Rollins, who dived to try to make the catch.
"It's my fault," Rollins said.
Hardly. Rollins would have needed to have been positioned almost directly behind second base to make the play.
But he insisted he still could have made it.
"That's the only play I didn't prepare for," he said. "If I had prepared for it, I would have been able to dive on contact. That's pretty much the only way you can make that play. I've done it once in spring training. I never had a chance."
Lieber kept Rollins busy throughout. He fielded seven ground outs - six before Dunn broke up the perfect game - including a nice barehanded pick-up and throw to beat Austin Kearns to leadoff the fifth inning.
"It's fun. I don't mind," Rollins said. "They can hit every ground ball to me."
The Phillies, who have won 12 of 13 and remained just two behind the New York Mets in the National League East, took a 1-0 lead in the seventh when Quinton McCracken dropped Ryan Howard's pop fly with two outs. David Bell followed with a double off Reds lefthander Dave Williams, who allowed just two runs in 81/3 innings.
The Phillies tacked on a run in the ninth. After Lieber surrendered a two-out single to pinch-hitter Ken Griffey Jr. in the ninth, closer Tom Gordon and picked up his 12th save.
But the Phillies obviously wanted to see Lieber throw a perfect game, or a no-hitter.
None more than catcher Sal Fasano.
"He said the other day that if he caught a no-hitter, he wants a car, at least," Rollins said.
"That's right," Fasano said. "I forgot about that. I said if I'm a catcher and I call a no-hitter, I want a car."
So, what car?
"I'd let Jimmy pick it out," Fasano said. "He's got better taste than me... . But I'd take a '72 Caddy, powder blue with a white ivory interior."
Not too shabby.
Neither was Lieber.
"Everything was pretty good," Fasano said. "When you can throw a two-seamer, four-seamer and a slider and you can throw them to both sides of the plate, it's tough to beat."
The Phillies need Lieber to pitch like that more often. He is 3-0 with a 3.32 ERA in his last three starts. Phillies starters also have a 3.32 ERA in their last 13 starts. If they continue to pitch like that it could be a fun summer.
"Of course, I feel better," manager Charlie Manuel said. "I might even go have a drink tonight."
Just one?
"Maybe more than one."
Drunk Charlie!
I go on vacation, and this team turns into winners?
Let's see how they do now that I'm back.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 14, 2006, 08:15:30 AM
I go on vacation, and this team turns into winners?
Let's see how they do now that I'm back.
They hate you.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 14, 2006, 08:15:30 AM
I go on vacation, and this team turns into winners?
Let's see how they do now that I'm back.
Jinx?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2006, 04:11:28 AM
Drunk Charlie!
Geez. Imagine trying to have a conversation with him when he's slurring.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2006, 11:21:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2006, 04:11:28 AM
Drunk Charlie!
Geez. Imagine trying to have a conversation with him when he's slurring.
Charlie may be the only person in the world whose speech is actually improved when drunk.
I'd rather see a drunk Wheels. Now that would be comedy.
These pink bats are the gayest thing I have ever seen in Major League baseball, and thats saying a lot.
Alex Gonzalez is too good to use em
If i missed this, i'm sorry...but does anyone know why they have Abreu sitting two days in a row now? Did he get hurt? Traded?
Nevermind...i hear now that it's back spasms. Lame excuse.
Howards sitting too, one of the announcers said he had the flu, I think Charlie just wanted to give him a break. Will be a miracle if we somehow win this game, cause Clauseen is schooling us right now.
0-0 to the 5th. weak pink bats. lame.
La Rue just hit a shot to left, 1-0 Reds.
Man, a pitching battle is usually exciting, but both these teams look flat. This is a pretty boring game so far.
No spark...Victorino needs to do something!!
Gonzalez is brutal. Even Mario Mendoza is laughing at him...
Wow, where is Gene Schall and Kevin Jordan when you need them.
Howard comes in to pinch hit and gone! 1-1!
Big Ho gettin a long fly.
Great play by Roberson.
La Rue should have gone down on strikes, Franklin threw at least 2 pitches called balls that were in the zone.
We're goin into extra innings.
Franklin inches away from blowing the game on pretty much every pitch.
He's been better than I thought he'd be to be honest. In fact, the bullpen in general has been a pleasant surprise so far.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 14, 2006, 03:46:02 PM
He's been better than I thought he'd be to be honest. In fact, the bullpen in general has been a pleasant surprise so far.
They had to be, as atrocious as the rotation has been.
Rhodes gets it into the 11th.
Know whats funny? Watching Griffey Jr. bat, he still has that cockyiness at the plate about him like he did when he was still a good ballplayer. Yo Ken, you're a shell of your former self, ease up and you might just hit something.
Surprised he hasn't pulled another hamstring yet.
Howard with another bomb to centerfield! 2-1 Phils!
That oughta do it. Both these teams are asleep.
Time for Flash.
:yay 2-1!
Great catch by Howard (player of the game) to end the game. Bums win!
(http://www.fullercommercial.com/images/Hardgoods/Brooms/6424_6436_6CT-024_CORN_BROOM_72ppi.jpg)
Bring on the Brew crew.
Brewers and Muts are tied at 4 in the 8th right now.....fyi.
sac fly....5-4 Brewers :yay
Look what I got for 50 cents yesterday:
(http://i20.ebayimg.com/04/i/07/1c/05/f4_1.JPG)
Couple of cheap wins, actually. I'll take em, but sooner or later they'll come back and even out.
Howard is the king. 2 homers off lhp. Hopefully he can start doing it consistnatly now.
Pitching has been superb, especially the starters. Lidle just needs to get them in games, no one expects Cy Young.
Cheap wins?
How are two games with excellent pitching and timely hitting 'cheap'?
I'm sorry but those are exactly the types of games the Phillies used to lose with annoying frequency. If they've learned how to win those games, they're going to be dangerous as hell in the coming months.
Anyone can win the occasional 8-2 blowout but most games come down to 1 or 2 run differentials. I love seeing them win games like today.
Great win and nice sweep of a very good team on their turf. :yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 14, 2006, 05:26:11 PM
Cheap wins?
How are two games with excellent pitching and timely hitting 'cheap'?
I'm sorry but those are exactly the types of games the Phillies used to lose with annoying frequency. If they've learned how to win those games, they're going to be dangerous as hell in the coming months.
Anyone can win the occasional 8-2 blowout but most games come down to 1 or 2 run differentials. I love seeing them win games like today.
Great win and nice sweep of a very good team on their turf. :yay
Agreed. This Phils have been playing as well as anyone in MLB over the last 13 games or so. So when you've got a team playing as well as they are, the so called "cheap wins" are a product of the team playing well as a whole.
If this team is 10 games below .500 and riding a 5 game losing streak, then it's a cheap win that was stolen from a better team. But not with the way they've been playing lately.
Quote from: MDS on May 14, 2006, 05:11:52 PM
Couple of cheap wins, actually. I'll take em, but sooner or later they'll come back and even out.
Howard is the king. 2 homers off lhp. Hopefully he can start doing it consistnatly now.
Pitching has been superb, especially the starters. Lidle just needs to get them in games, no one expects Cy Young.
True Negadelphian.
Press conference at Noon tomorrow where Rowand will speak to the media. CSN will have it...
Quote from: The Waco Kid on May 14, 2006, 05:38:51 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 14, 2006, 05:11:52 PM
Couple of cheap wins, actually. I'll take em, but sooner or later they'll come back and even out.
Howard is the king. 2 homers off lhp. Hopefully he can start doing it consistnatly now.
Pitching has been superb, especially the starters. Lidle just needs to get them in games, no one expects Cy Young.
True Negadelphian.
They hate that term. They preferred being called "realists".
as much shtein as charlie gets and he deserves all of it...you have to at the same time give him a ton of credit for bringing out howard in the 8th against a lefthander...he knew with the way they are hitting the ball right now they werent gonna put hits together to score a run...howard was the only way they were tying the game and thats where he went...big ups charlie
9-14 two weeks ago, I had this team as dead. I'll take "cheap" wins any day. Beating the Reds three straight in Cincy is by no means "cheap" any way you look at it. I honestly thought the Reds were going to bring us all back to earth this weekend as they were on a tear themselves. The fact the phils are winning these 2-0, 2-1 games gives me a lot of optimism going into the dog days of summer. This is truly exciting.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 14, 2006, 07:06:12 PM
Press conference at Noon tomorrow where Rowand will speak to the media. CSN will have it...
How long's he supposed to be shut down?
Could be a month, but he's only on the 15-day DL for now...
say it aint so Ed...say it aint so
Not exactly Philles discussion but Jim Thome just crushed one to center field in Minny and Torri Hunter made a great catch to rob him of a homer. Thome was using the pink bat and obviously had he been using a more manly color then it would have been gone.
I mean, its great to praise breast cancer awareness and all, but christ....why dont you just paint the players faces pink while your at it. so bad.
Pink bases, pink home plate, pink balls, pink gloves and pink chalk lines would be teh awesome.
cheap win? of course. is that a bad thing? no. good teams get those. the friday game was legit. the saturday game we got 2 cheap runs. dropped fly ball and wild pitch. again, good teams capatalize off mistakes. we did that. by golly, we could be a good team. sunday they hit about 500 balls that were inches away from homers. 1 guy showed up to bat for us. the pitching has been great, as said, but these two wins were kinda stolen. but hey, you need those in the course of a long season. i just have a feeling things will even out and we'll a lose a game or two like that later on.
think about this. in the series, really the only big bat to show up was howard. utley and burrell were mia. abreu sat out the 2 games. rollins got on base like once. theres no offensive producation from the catcher. david bell is david bell. victorino was pretty good, too. roberson got on base once when he played. so really, victorino and howard were the only two bats to show up and we swept the reds. the team in first place in the central. pretty impressive.
Without going back through the thead to see... did anyone else see that Junior Griffey switched the pink bat he used all game long to his black one in his last at-bat?
The funny thing is, he ripped the shtein out of that pitch and the only reason it didn't go for extra bases is because Howard was protecting the line.
Again, nice win today. I'll take about 70 more of them just like that.
A lot of guys were switching back to the normal bats after they didn't hit with the pink ones. Either way, it didn't seem to work. Geoff Geary owns.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on May 14, 2006, 01:55:58 PM
If i missed this, i'm sorry...but does anyone know why they have Abreu sitting two days in a row now? Did he get hurt? Traded?
Nevermind...i hear now that it's back spasms. Lame excuse.
Shut it.
Lieber had the flu and he almost threw a perfecto.
Howard had the flu/food posioning and spent Saturday Night in the Emergency Room and then goes yard twice.
He also made a nice stab to end the game.
However he had his butchers cleaver out when they should've had that 9-4-3 DP to end the 8th. He's got to get better defensively.
Alex Gonzalez needs to get gone. Goodbye, Alex. Now beat it. Hopefully Gillick notices his incompetance and outright releases him and brings in any other RH utility player available.
Even Randy Ready or Kevin Sefcik would be better options.
The starting pitching and who has caught them since the beginning of this great stretch...
April 30 @ PIT - Floyd: 6.2 IP 1 ER 6 H 5 BB 3 K (Fasano)
May 1 @ FLA - Madson: 5.1 IP 5 ER 8 H 3 BB 5 K (Lieberthal)
May 2 @ FLA - Leiber: 6 IP 4 ER 9 H 0 BB 5 K (Fasano)
May 3 vs. ATL - Myers: 7 IP 2 ER 5 H 2 BB 5 K (Lieberthal)
May 4 vs. ATL - Lidle: 6 IP 2 ER 5 H 3 BB 5 K (Lieberthal 1st-6th; Fasano 7th-9th)
May 5 vs. SF - Floyd: 6 IP 3 ER 9 H 3 BB 2 K (Fasano)
May 6 vs. SF - Madson: 6 IP 1 ER 8 H 4 BB 2 K (Ruiz)
May 7 vs. SF - Leiber: 7 IP 4 ER 6 H 2 BB 3 K (Fasano)
May 9 vs. NYM - Myers: 8 IP 2 ER 5 H 0 BB 6 K (Ruiz)
May 10 vs. NYM - Lidle: 2 IP 5 ER 7 H 1 BB 0 K (Ruiz)
May 11 vs. NYM - Floyd: 5 IP 0 ER 2 H 4 BB 2 K (Fasano)
May 12 @ CIN - Hamels: 5 IP 0 ER 1 H 5 BB 7 K (Ruiz)
May 13 @ CIN - Leiber: 8.2 IP 0 ER 2 H 0 BB 6 K (Fasano)
May 14 @ CIN - Myers: 7 IP 1 ER 6 H 2 BB 5K (Ruiz)
Lieberthal has caught Madson, Myers and Lidle before going on the DL. What have those guys done with Mike behind the plate?
18.1 innings 9 ER 18 H 8 BB 15 K
Lieberthal's catchers ERA is: 4.42
Fasano has caught Floyd three times and Lieber three times. What have those guys done with Sal catching them?
39.1 innings 12 ER 34 H 14 BB 21 K
Fasano's catchers ERA is: 2.74
Ruiz was called up after Lieby went on the DL. In his short time here he has caught Madson once, Myers twice, Lidle once and Hamels' ML debut. What have they done with the rookie catching?
28 innings 9 ER 27 H 12 BB 20 K
Ruiz's catchers ERA is: 2.89
Now, I realize that this is a small sample size. And when I get time I will do the entire season for Lieby and Fasano. But it is interesting to see how the catchers are handling the pitchers during this streak.
Also, another FYI...
Howard is on pace to smash 52 HR's.
Phreak,
That is skewed just by the fact that Lieberthal had to catch Madsen for 1/3 of his innings. I know Ruiz did as well, but that was the game that Madsen somehow pulled a Houdini and escaped with a single run when he allowed around a million baserunners. Every out seemed to be a line drive right at somebody.
From the "I'm going to sue for non-support file":
Brett Myers currently has a 2.73 ERA. His record? 2-1
Ryan Madsen has a 7.18 ERA. His record? 4-1.
Myers must be leading the league in no decisions. He's been stellar, though.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 15, 2006, 04:23:25 AM
The starting pitching and who has caught them since the beginning of this great stretch...
April 30 @ PIT - Floyd: 6.2 IP 1 ER 6 H 5 BB 3 K (Fasano)
May 1 @ FLA - Madson: 5.1 IP 5 ER 8 H 3 BB 5 K (Lieberthal)
May 2 @ FLA - Leiber: 6 IP 4 ER 9 H 0 BB 5 K (Fasano)
May 3 vs. ATL - Myers: 7 IP 2 ER 5 H 2 BB 5 K (Lieberthal)
May 4 vs. ATL - Lidle: 6 IP 2 ER 5 H 3 BB 5 K (Lieberthal 1st-6th; Fasano 7th-9th)
May 5 vs. SF - Floyd: 6 IP 3 ER 9 H 3 BB 2 K (Fasano)
May 6 vs. SF - Madson: 6 IP 1 ER 8 H 4 BB 2 K (Ruiz)
May 7 vs. SF - Leiber: 7 IP 4 ER 6 H 2 BB 3 K (Fasano)
May 9 vs. NYM - Myers: 8 IP 2 ER 5 H 0 BB 6 K (Ruiz)
May 10 vs. NYM - Lidle: 2 IP 5 ER 7 H 1 BB 0 K (Ruiz)
May 11 vs. NYM - Floyd: 5 IP 0 ER 2 H 4 BB 2 K (Fasano)
May 12 @ CIN - Hamels: 5 IP 0 ER 1 H 5 BB 7 K (Ruiz)
May 13 @ CIN - Leiber: 8.2 IP 0 ER 2 H 0 BB 6 K (Fasano)
May 14 @ CIN - Myers: 7 IP 1 ER 6 H 2 BB 5K (Ruiz)
Lieberthal has caught Madson, Myers and Lidle before going on the DL. What have those guys done with Mike behind the plate?
18.1 innings 9 ER 18 H 8 BB 15 K
Lieberthal's catchers ERA is: 4.42
Fasano has caught Floyd three times and Lieber three times. What have those guys done with Sal catching them?
39.1 innings 12 ER 34 H 14 BB 21 K
Fasano's catchers ERA is: 2.74
Ruiz was called up after Lieby went on the DL. In his short time here he has caught Madson once, Myers twice, Lidle once and Hamels' ML debut. What have they done with the rookie catching?
28 innings 9 ER 27 H 12 BB 20 K
Ruiz's catchers ERA is: 2.89
Now, I realize that this is a small sample size. And when I get time I will do the entire season for Lieby and Fasano. But it is interesting to see how the catchers are handling the pitchers during this streak.
Also, another FYI...
Howard is on pace to smash 52 HR's.
at the time lieberthal went down...his era was a full fun less than fasano was.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 15, 2006, 08:04:48 AM
at the time lieberthal went down...his era was a full fun less than fasano was.
That Lieberthal never was any fun. ;)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 15, 2006, 08:18:17 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 15, 2006, 08:04:48 AM
at the time lieberthal went down...his era was a full fun less than fasano was.
That Lieberthal never was any fun. ;)
run=fun before coffee :-D
'cheap' win>cheap loss
better put an asterisk next to the White Sox team last year, for they won the World Series but also had some cheap wins in there. And while your at it, add an asterisk to the Red Sox the year before, and the Marlins before that, and the Angels before that.....
Couldn't have said it any better MURP, i totally agree.
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He said he'll be back next week and doesn't need to be like Richard Hamilton....
umm...yeah, its broken
ESPN.com:
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By Mark Simon, ESPN Research
The Phillies pulled to within one game of the lead in the NL East on Sunday by completing a three-game sweep of the Reds on the road.
After having their nine-game winning streak halted last week, the Phillies have kept right on rolling by winning four straight.
The contributions recently have come from their starting pitchers (Ryan Howard's two home runs coming off the bench not withstanding) and unlikely sources, like Shane Victorino, who is 9-for-16 since replacing Aaron Rowand in center field.
Suddenly, a sizable lead for the Mets isn't so safe anymore as they begin a three-game series in St. Louis on Tuesday. The Phillies head to Milwaukee for a three-game series, also beginning on Tuesday, with a chance to move into first place.
Very Ful-Phil-ling
The Phillies over their last 14 games:
Note
W-L 13-1 Only loss is to Tom Glavine, who has a 2.19 ERA
BA .266 Matches their batting average for the season
Runs/game 5.4 Scored two runs in three of last four games, won all four
ERA 2.95 0.77 ERA in last four games
This team has me tempted to either get MLB Extra Innings on DTV or pay to watch it on my computer. I don't think I'm going to do either though because in true Phillies fashion they'll ride a 12 game losing streak and get swept by the Royals (even though they aren't on the schedule) as soon as I drop some coin on them.
YOU'RE NOT WELCOME AT THE PARADE, SARGENT PARTY POOPER
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 15, 2006, 02:53:06 PM
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Did ya get the license number?
Of what?
The truck that run over ya face.
FYI...
I was reading on the PhilaPhans MB that Lieby had the MRI today and they found a fracture in his knee and he will be out for at least another month.
Also...
They asked Rowand about the For who? For what? comments by Ricky Watters...
His answer?
For who? My teammates.
For what? Winning.
<---- Badass motherfarger. :yay
i can't wait until the negative backlash on him because he's going to be a fan favorite
Very Ful-Phil-ling
The Phillies over their last 14 games:
Note
W-L 13-1 Only loss is to Tom Glavine, who has a 2.19 ERA
BA .266 Matches their batting average for the season
Runs/game 5.4 Scored two runs in three of last four games, won all four
ERA 2.95 0.77 ERA in last four games
good numbers but they are still dead last in the league in batting with runner in scoring position...that needs to improve...rollins also needs to start getting on base again...hes back to swinging for the fences everytime up...the pitching is not going to hold up so the offense has to be top notch to give them a chance this year
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 15, 2006, 02:53:06 PM
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He said he'll be back next week and doesn't need to be like Richard Hamilton....
I am thinking slot receiver in the off season. The man is fearless.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2006, 08:30:06 AM
[rollins also needs to start getting on base again...hes back to swinging for the fences everytime up...
Had the same line of thinking regarding Rollins during the entire Reds series, I wouldn't mind seeing him switched to the 2 hole for a couple of games making way for Victorino to bat leadoff.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2006, 03:34:02 AM
FYI...
I was reading on the PhilaPhans MB that Lieby had the MRI today and they found a fracture in his knee and he will be out for at least another month.
Yay?
ESPN's Insider Rumor Bit:
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Filling the Godzilla void
May 16 - The Yankees remain interested in trading for a left fielder, The New York Post reports. Brad Wilkerson, Raul Ibanez, Alfonso Soriano, Torii Hunter, Reggie Sanders Aubrey Huff, Craig Wilson and Shannon Stewart are all on the list.
According to the New York Daily News, the Yanks also are expected to inquire about the availability of Philadelphia's Bobby Abreu.
The Marlins, who are shedding salary, could decide to trade Miguel Cabrera, but the Yankees probably don't have enough to land him, the Hartford Courant reports.
Hmm....who do you think the Yanks would be willing to part with?
Typically useless ESPN Insider crap. The Yankees don't have enough to land Cabrera but they do have enough to land Abreu?
I see. ::)
Also, someone should let them know that Abreu is a right fielder, not a left fielder.
Well, Abreu should be able to play left... but the reports I heard were that the Yanks would only have to give up some mid-level prospects, because the Phils want to get Abreu's salary off the books.
I don't think that's close to the truth at all.
meh.
most of the yanks' better prospects are very young...i guess i'd take abreu for a few guys who may or may not even make it to the majors.
i have a feeling shef will be gone after this year so it kinda makes sense.
The Yankees never give up anything other than prospects anyway. If the Phils trade Abreu...i want immediate impact.
The Phillies aren't going to trade Abreu to the Yankees--the Yankees have nothing to offer Philadelphia. Why would Philly trade Abreu for mid-level prospects? They have enough cash coming off the books next year with Bell, Lieberthal, and Wolf, that they don't need to get rid of Abreu.
The Phillies should be looking to buy this year, not sell, and especially not getting rid of Abreu for anyone that isn't a top line prospect if they aren't inquiring about major league help. I have a feeling this entire "rumor" that's been floating around for days is simply a product of Olney.
Either way, I don't see why everyone is so anxious to get rid of Abreu.
2-1 brew crew, phils coming up to bat @ the top of the 6th.
Thought I was the only one watching. This one is a snoozer again, not real spectactular pitching or defense, just a "meh" kind of game.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
Thought I was the only one watching. This one is a snoozer again, not real spectactular pitching or defense, just a "meh" kind of game.
Sort of knew it was going to be a snoozefest since the bats have been cold lately and Capuano is a decent pitcher.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
Thought I was the only one watching. This one is a snoozer again, not real spectactular pitching or defense, just a "meh" kind of game.
I've got it on as well. The lack of hitting tonight is driving my up a wall. Lidle's pitching well for a change.
I watch all the games on MLB TV via the internet. The cool thing about it is, when the Phils are on the road, you can listen to the play by play guys and analysts for other teams and get some "outsider" perspective on the Phils. The guys for the Brewers are pretty good.
One thing I have heard over and over from just about every announcer crew is Bobby Abreu comments about how underrated he is. The guys tonight are comparing him over and over to Carlos Lee, pretty similar stats, etc.. It's a shame so many fans in Philly or of the Phillies think the guy is a bum. I'll never understand it.
Argh....what is the deal with the huge shift?
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 09:45:33 PM
I watch all the games on MLB TV via the internet. The cool thing about it is, when the Phils are on the road, you can listen to the play by play guys and analysts for other teams and get some "outsider" perspective on the Phils. The guys for the Brewers are pretty good.
One thing I have heard over and over from just about every announcer crew is Bobby Abreu comments about how underrated he is. The guys tonight are comparing him over and over to Carlos Lee, pretty similar stats, etc.. It's a shame so many fans in Philly or of the Phillies think the guy is a bum. I'll never understand it.
I watch on DirecTV, so I get the "outsider" perspective ALL THE FREAKING TIME.
What I wouldn't give for a few games with the rich, baritone voice of one Harry Kalas...
Brewers outfielder Hall is a Hoyda, if that were Rowand he'd of run through the wall and made the catch.
Bell with the GR double to center to knock Victorino in. All tied up 2-2
By the way, PPDC, I've heard many of the opposing announcers wax poetic about Bobby Abreu. Just seems to be par for the course with Philly- Abreu, McNabb, Iverson- tear down the person perceived to be the "top player."
pat burrell has been a whole lot of nothing spectacular this year so far.
Nice poke by Bell over Bill Hall's head for the game-tying double.
Fasano just swung at a pitch over his eyes. :boom
Don't worry, Nunez is here to save the day.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2006, 09:58:33 PM
Don't worry, Nunez is here to save the day.
so is madson.. :paranoid
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on May 16, 2006, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2006, 09:58:33 PM
Don't worry, Nunez is here to save the day.
so is madson.. :paranoid
Come on, that first deep fly to the center field warning track didn't worry me a bit.
Not even a little.
Nope.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2006, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on May 16, 2006, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2006, 09:58:33 PM
Don't worry, Nunez is here to save the day.
so is madson.. :paranoid
Come on, that first deep fly to the center field warning track didn't worry me a bit.
Not even a little.
Nope.
And neither did the one to the fence in right. :paranoid :puke
in CBP the games now 3-2, if not 4-2 brewers.
i'm pretty sure the sweaty palms, and extreme nervousness i get when madson takes the mound isn't a good thing.
he needs to get the flu bug thats been going around the club house, he can't get any worse command wise.
we suck against lhp. pitching has been superb to keep us in games...offense has just been doing enough to get wins.
Excellent play all around there. Great throw by Burrell (barehand and throw in one motion) and GREAT block of home by Fasano.
Looks bad for Hardy, though. Hopefully the ankle is just twisted and not broken.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on May 16, 2006, 09:57:45 PM
pat burrell has been a whole lot of nothing spectacular this year so far.
Did you just see that perfect game saving throw from Right? He's also 6th (or 7th) in the league in HRs.
And another Phillies reliever manages to get through the inning unscathed.
My heartburn, though...
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2006, 09:54:47 PM
I watch on DirecTV, so I get the "outsider" perspective ALL THE FREAKING TIME.
What I wouldn't give for a few games with the rich, baritone voice of one Harry Kalas...
When the Phillies play at CBP you don't get Kalas, etc.? I get them for all the Phils home games on MLB TV, but none of the away games.
Wow. Fasano sure does suck as a hitter, but he is lights out at the dish.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 16, 2006, 09:56:49 PM
Brewers outfielder Hall is a Hoyda, if that were Rowand he'd of run through the wall and made the catch.
SD, the funny thing is just before that hit to Hall, the Brewers' crew did an interview with him
about Rowand's catch. Guy said something to the affect of "That's what the good ones do..." refering to good outfielders. Way to follow up dude. Love when he flopped in the dirt. Was a hard catch, but I still chuckled. Rowand would catch those kind of hits all day... :-o
Aaron Rowand eats pieces of shtein like Hall for breakfast.
Burrell doesn't have great range but he does have a great arm.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 10:23:35 PM
When the Phillies play at CBP you don't get Kalas, etc.? I get them for all the Phils home games on MLB TV, but none of the away games.
I've had Extra Innings since 1999, and have never seen Kalas and co. I even fired off some e-mails in the early going, but Comcast blamed DirecTV, DirecTV blamed Comcast.
Thing that gets me: Comcast shows the Orioles and the Cubs games in those markets. But not Philly. :boom
Jesus. Look at Turnbow's farging haircut. Looks like the kind of guy that still sleeps on his mother's couch. That thing is on the fringe of Navy regs. Get a haircut hippy!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2006, 10:26:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 10:23:35 PM
When the Phillies play at CBP you don't get Kalas, etc.? I get them for all the Phils home games on MLB TV, but none of the away games.
I've had Extra Innings since 1999, and have never seen Kalas and co. I even fired off some e-mails in the early going, but Comcast blamed DirecTV, DirecTV blamed Comcast.
Thing that gets me: Comcast shows the Orioles and the Cubs games in those markets. But not Philly. :boom
For a few bucks, you can get audio only on MLB.com. Then you can have Kalas and the crew.
Victorino is one of the smartest, and fastest base runners I've seen in a long, long time. Amazes me how when he is whistling around the bases he can find the ball and diagnose plays at that speed.
Bell has a chance to make a difference against former Phil Derrick Turnbow.
Victorino! Love it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 16, 2006, 10:20:38 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on May 16, 2006, 09:57:45 PM
pat burrell has been a whole lot of nothing spectacular this year so far.
Did you just see that perfect game saving throw from Right? He's also 6th (or 7th) in the league in HRs.
yeah i saw it. i also saw his 3rd strike out of the game to lead off the inning.
i didn't say he's been terrible, but he hasn't been very
un clutch along with most of the other hitting this year.
Derrick Turnbow = (http://www.chicagoblackhawks.com/photos/spicoli.jpg)
I thought ball four was a better pitch than strike one.
Bell takes the walk. And eleven pitch at bat. :yay
Bell really hung in there, even though if I were the home plate ump that last pitch would have been a strike.
Come on Dellucci.
Smart call to put Delucci in there.
:boom
farg.
I get the feeling this game is going to end close to midnight.... :-\
......or not. :boom
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 10:38:42 PM
I get the feeling this game is going to end close to midnight.... :-\
Not good for my 5 am alarm clock.
good at bat. mets up 4-3 over STL.
delucci just grounded out.. ryan franklin to try and put it into extras.. :-X
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2006, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 10:38:42 PM
I get the feeling this game is going to end close to midnight.... :-\
Not good for my 5 am alarm clock.
Not good for my marriage.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 16, 2006, 10:40:01 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2006, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 10:38:42 PM
I get the feeling this game is going to end close to midnight.... :-\
Not good for my 5 am alarm clock.
Not good for my marriage.
My wife gets up at the same time- she's long asleep.
*&&*($*$&*#@ :boom :boom :boom
Franklin throws the game away. Brewers win 3-2. Goodnight.
didn't see that coming.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 16, 2006, 10:43:17 PM
Franklin throws the game away.
LITERALLY. bastich.
Swell. Thanks Franklin.
thank god he's not one of our starters.
no matter, they should slaughter him in the showers anyway. not even getting one out is pathetic.
What an ass. There was no way he could have made that throw. Take what is there. Dumb shtein.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 10:46:23 PM
What an ass. There was no way he could have made that throw. Take what is there. Dumb shtein.
According to the radio guys the double play was there - force at third and Bell probably had enough time to get it to second. Did it look that way on TV?
Cholly should have used Rhodes, Cormier...anyone, really. Franklin was lucky to get out of the 8th, there was no reason to bring him into the 9th. You just knew he was gonna blow it. He even got a gift bunt, but totally rushed the throw and threw it away.
Still...lack of offense against lhp continues. It's probably gonna be one of those things, shouldn't hurt the team too much. Bright side Lidle bounced back from his awful start, and Cole goes thursday (win). So if we win tommorrow (right hander), we take 2/3. Aint not bad.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 16, 2006, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 16, 2006, 10:46:23 PM
What an ass. There was no way he could have made that throw. Take what is there. Dumb shtein.
According to the radio guys the double play was there - force at third and Bell probably had enough time to get it to second. Did it look that way on TV?
There could have been a double play, if Franklin had somehow made the throw, but the way he fielded the ball, it was IMO a stretch to think he could have gotten off a good throw to third. Even then it would have been close. He had a sure thing to first, and if the runner (who was slid into third) headed to home, for Howard to have more than enough time to get the ball back to the plate. That's the way it looked to me.
A good throw would have definitely gotten the runner at third. Of course, it was all just a chasing of the wind.
And now I can't sleep. bastiches.
no need to over analyize every game...you cant win everytime out...the main concern is the phils absolute ineptitude against lefthanders...luckily they miss glavine next week
i saw that last play coming a mile away...although i thought it would be Howard who made the error
one of the pleasures of watching a game that Gavin Floyd pitches is being able to listen to the absolute disdain that Larry Anderson has for him.
Bobby Abreu has a mustache now, he is 1 for 2 with a walk on this fine eve.
4-1 Phils still in the top of the 5th.
jesus.. is rollins really hitting .237.. shtein.
rollins is the greatest hitter ever.
i hate the fact that i wasn't suprised in the least when Gavin couldn't get through the 6th innning without coughing up the lead
Quote from: NGM on May 17, 2006, 09:20:56 PM
Bobby Abreu has a mustache now, he is 1 for 2 with a walk on this fine eve.
4-1 Phils still in the top of the 5th.
he just grew that tonight, sitting in the dugout stressing out about getting up to bat
Way to come back, just to cough it up again. :boom
2 in a row. I think my life expectancy of 80 just lowered to 75. :boom
I was off and on with this game because of Lost, but I was there for the 9th. All I know is Alex Gonzalez hit with runners at 1st and 2nd, 2 outs and a 7-7 game. Pat Burrell was on the bench. Maybe he was dead or something, but I assume he could have been used. Even if he couldn't, pinch hitting Gonzalez for Dellucci because he was facing a left hander is a joke. Gonzalez has no business being on a major league roster. He's a worse, more useless version of Tomas Perez, without the pies and seemingly "goofy" personality.
Rhodes has been pretty shaky this year, but it wasn't his call to walk Bill Hall so he could face Jenkins. Hey, let's walk this average right hander so we can pitch to the 2nd best player on the team who happes to be left handed. Brilliant. The least Manuel could have done was let Rhodes pitch, carefully, to Hall. Just walking him is stupid. You only do that to Pujols and other super human hitters who could dig a ball out of the dirt and send it over the wall.
Gonzalez is hitting under .100. No excuses. Release him....
Burrell would've been the only player left on the bench, MDS.
Bell PH to start the inning for Blue Collar Sal.
Roberson PH for the pitcher.
So Ruiz was coming in to catch and leaving Pat on the bench.
Plus Pat's foot is really bothering him.
I had no problem with walking Hall. That run means nothing at 1st. And it also sets up a force out at each base and gives you the L-L matchup.
Think McFly, think.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 17, 2006, 11:59:54 PM
Gonzalez is hitting under .100. No excuses. Release him....
Agreed.
He's a bum.
Pat Gillick needs to go find another utility guy. There's six million of them out there. Finding one better than Gonzalez shouldn't be hard.
left left means nothing, phreak. big woop. i just dont see the point in intentionally walking bill hall. maybe he gets himself out. hes bill hall, not babe ruth.
Hall vs. LHP:
.429 6HR
Jenkins vs. LHP:
.167 1HR
Yep, they're still zesty. Smoke and mirrors.
not smoke and mirrors they just arent a 13 out of 15 team nor are they a one out of five team that started the year....they are around a .500 team who is not making the playoffs but has a chance to make a real run next year
I think they have a shot to make the playoffs this year. The NL is once again nothing special and the Phils could take advantage of that.
Their SP has been better than anticipated lately. Now they won't be 0.35 ERA good, obviously. But Lieber is solid, Myers has turned into what we all hoped he would, Hamels could be that guy who sparks the rotation ala Willis in 2003 and Floyd has been OK. Lidle is Lidle, you will get great stretches out of him and then he'll throw in a stinker and be average for awhile after that. And what bout Randy Wolf? It's ridiculous to even count on him for anything right now. But what if he comes back ready to contribute?
We now have a GM who will make trades and isn't a total dickbag. We also have some young players in the minors who are good bargaining chips.
If they can stay in the hunt and pick up a piece or two they can make a mini-run this year, IMO. But I agree that 2007 is the year that they have a legit shot. Wolf, Lieby and Bell are off the books.
But the offense has to get it going. The amazing thing about this streak was that they did it without Jimmy and Bobby hitting at all. And Burrell has tailed off too. I think his foot is bothering him.
Give me another bench guy (RH), another reliever and let's see whats up.
It would be a sweet bonus if Wolf could actually come back fairly good this season and pitch like a man possessed so he can earn his big contract with another team.
I think they have a shot to make the playoffs this year
well almost everyone has a shot...but they wont make it....i see around 80-85 wins and i dont think that gets it done...thier pitching is not nearly good enough...and whether it be a starter or a late inning specialty guy thier lineup can be neutralized way to easily by lefthanders
i wouldnt be surprised to see them get owned by eveland today
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2006, 09:07:13 AM
I think they have a shot to make the playoffs this year
well almost everyone has a shot...but they wont make it....i see around 80-85 wins and i dont think that gets it done...thier pitching is not nearly good enough...and whether it be a starter or a late inning specialty guy thier lineup can be neutralized way to easily by lefthanders
i wouldnt be surprised to see them get owned by eveland today
I see a little more than that: 86-88 just like the last several years. 90 is a distinct possibility.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 08:20:32 AM
Myers has turned into what we all hoped he would
what?
after all the coddling, and waiting...so all we ever hoped from myers was for him to turn out to be an overemotional pitcher who has consistancy problems?
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 18, 2006, 08:38:29 AM
It would be a sweet bonus if Wolf could actually come back fairly good this season and pitch like a man possessed so he can earn his big contract with another team.
he's never pitched like that before...it would be a sweet bonus, but for now enjoy your jelly of the month club membership.
today's game is about to start. let's see if Cole can get himself a win today.
who was the jerkoff on the eagles board that used to give play by play inside the flyers thread FOR EVERY GAME by copying and pasting off the online gametracker
i dunno
i hope hes dead
terrific
Bobby A. rbi double
1-0 Phils
Uecker is underwhelmed.
Top 1ST B:3 S:2 O:1
Bobby Abreu doubles (10) on a line drive to left fielder Carlos Lee. Chase Utley scores.
asshat
Burrell - 2 run HR
bob uecker is awesome. he doesn't change his tone whatsoever. i'm in love.
how do you listen to the brewers announcers
and why arent you just listening to 1210
XM radio carries the home teams broadcast. and that comes in clearer in my office than does the normal radio.
neither is as clear as mlb.com gametracker tho
i didn't know bob uecker was still broadcasting. i miss mr. belvedere.
iread uecker's book catcher in the wry when i was in like 5th grade or so and thought it was one of the funniest books ever.
comcast picked a good time to work on the cable/internet thing. i stole someone elses wireless signal now. i did see the 1st inning though.
how about abreu with 2 hits in the two meaningless 1st and 3rd innings. bum.
pat first inning burrell came through
Alex Gonzalez has gone beyond being a non-factor on the this team. He's turned into an albatross.
A Gone is on pace to leave 15 men on base today
Hamels only has 4 K's through 3 innings....BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
and the farger gave up a SINGLE!
send him down! it's franklin time.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 18, 2006, 02:01:45 PM
Alex Gonzalez has gone beyond being a non-factor on the this team. He's turned into an albatross.
Also Robin Yount looks like Johnny Cakes from The Sopranos.
Quote from: NGM on May 18, 2006, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 18, 2006, 02:01:45 PM
Alex Gonzalez has gone beyond being a non-factor on the this team. He's turned into an albatross.
Also Robin Yount looks like Johnny Cakes from The Sopranos.
In a related note, the Philles lost a series to the farging Brewers.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 18, 2006, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: NGM on May 18, 2006, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 18, 2006, 02:01:45 PM
Alex Gonzalez has gone beyond being a non-factor on the this team. He's turned into an albatross.
Also Robin Yount looks like Johnny Cakes from The Sopranos.
In a related note, the Philles lost a series to the farging Brewers.
Moreover, they lost both of those games in the 9th inning due to their BP.
Quote from: NGM on May 18, 2006, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 18, 2006, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: NGM on May 18, 2006, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 18, 2006, 02:01:45 PM
Alex Gonzalez has gone beyond being a non-factor on the this team. He's turned into an albatross.
Also Robin Yount looks like Johnny Cakes from The Sopranos.
In a related note, the Philles lost a series to the farging Brewers.
Moreover, they lost both of those games in the 9th inning due to their BP.
No, they lost the first game due to zesty hitting. Sorry, Franklin had the error, but it should have NEVER been that close.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 18, 2006, 02:17:29 PM
Quote from: NGM on May 18, 2006, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 18, 2006, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: NGM on May 18, 2006, 02:09:24 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 18, 2006, 02:01:45 PM
Alex Gonzalez has gone beyond being a non-factor on the this team. He's turned into an albatross.
Also Robin Yount looks like Johnny Cakes from The Sopranos.
In a related note, the Philles lost a series to the farging Brewers.
Moreover, they lost both of those games in the 9th inning due to their BP.
No, they lost the first game due to zesty hitting. Sorry, Franklin had the error, but it should have NEVER been that close.
yeah...nevermind that is was 1st and 2nd with 0 outs before that play. franklin gave them the opportunity to win the game....regardless of the error
gametracker showed the hall fly out against the fence...was it a shot like that?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2006, 02:24:39 PM
gametracker showed the hall fly out against the fence...was it a shot like that?
None of these fly outs have even hit the warning track.
rickie weeks makes an error per game
he is awful
I am going to live to regret this post but here goes....
David Bell is having a good season so far. He has had clutch hitting and just saved a couple of runs with an awesome play on defense.
On the other hand, it looks like he passed his absolute sucktitude to Alex Gonzalez who is as worthless at the plate as Bell was last year.
Bell has been pretty good. For Bell. Still think Nunez could be as good if not better, if he got a shot to play every day.
Quote from: MDS on May 18, 2006, 02:51:11 PM
Bell has been pretty good. For Bell. Still think Nunez could be as good if not better, if he got a shot to play every day.
Next year.
bell has gone through a mini redemption this season. i can say if he continues this way...that i can live with his play for the rest of this season.
he is what he is...and right now he's playing well.
the entire bench blows, other than victorino.... nunez, gonzalez, delucci, all 3 of them could jump off the upper deck for all i care...
bell has been decent..and that's as good a compliment you can give him for his 4 years here.
bell is actually healthy for once...when hes been so hes been a nice player for the phils
BOOOOO...hamels gave up 1 run. party's over, he sucks.
dellucci has been fine.
god the phillies are big strikeout machine
moeller is on steroids, only logical explenation for taking hamels deep
hamels threw it underhanded with his right hand because he felt sorry for the brewers
await bullpen implosion....
mets are getting raked today too...they better not blow this
Jenkins up, great.
fargin eh. You have got to be kidding. :boom
ball game
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2006, 03:24:30 PM
mets are getting raked today too...they better not blow this
That is what makes this even worse. Man, to be one out with the BoSox coming to town. shtein.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 14, 2006, 08:15:30 AM
I go on vacation, and this team turns into winners?
Let's see how they do now that I'm back.
Whoops.
(http://www.geocities.com/surferdude8_8/rays/media/photos/sweep.jpg)
yea:
gonzalez- die
rollins- get your shtein together
everyone with risp- starting trying to not suck
madson- you are a fleshpop
manuel- i honestly hate you
HOW DO YOU PINCH HIT SAL FASANO FOR DAVID DELLUCCI? THIS IS A JOKE.
how do you pinch hit sal fasano for ANYONE.....sal fasano farging blows
sal fasano actually PINCH HIT for someone...what the farg!!
I'd put Havas in there before I'd pinch hit Gonzalez or Fasano.
ruiz was pinch hit for...so he had to use fasano.
delucci is terrible anyway.
this is typical phils. get within 1 game and then completely fall apart. they'll drop 5 or 6 back and then go on another 7 game streak.
sal fasano pinch hit for someone
sal fasano pinch hit for someone
sal fasano pinch hit for someone
he has 200 hits in the last ten years and he pinch hit for someone
if im delucci i went right from the on deck circle to the locker room and put one in my temple
ruiz was pinch hit for...so he had to use fasano
not to pinch hit he didnt...manuel didnt go to him until yost brought his lefty in
least i got a fantasy save from turnbow
:-D
typical phillies
same ol' Phils...whenever they start to smell 1st place in either the division or wild card...they start to gag
same ol' Phils...whenever they start to smell 1st place in either the division or wild card...they start to gag
which is why they will end up around .500 or a few games over if they are lucky....i know they are gonna lose more than they win now that they are playng real teams but i just wish they wouldnt lose in a choking dog manner so much...hopefully against the red sox theyll just get blown out the yard
IGY, you were talking about AlpineEagle earlier (the PBP guy). He has a prety serious health issue...
Anyways,
Today started off good, but that sonofabitch Madson is pissing me off. And it wasn't just him because it was the offense that took it in the ass again today. They started off good and then once they got a few runs they shut it down. Turnbow has made Utley look foolish two nights in a row. Chase goes up there looking for a 97mph fastball and Turnbow (who is one ugly sumbitch, by the way. He should be on GCobb's All Ugly Team) threw his junk and he chased. Victorino barely missed going dead center on him. And the called third on Bobby was brutal. But at least Bobby has been swinging well the last two games.
So now we need Jimmy to get out of his funk. Charlie has been thinking about dropping him out of the 1 spot and I would bet there is a good chance that Victorino leads off this weekend.
Victornio
Utley
Abreu
Burrell
Howard
Rollins
Bell
Fasano/Ruiz
Going back to Madson...if there is a team out there who is willing to take him on his potential then I would consider trading him. Some team that is pitching starved like the DRays or Marlins might take him. And the Rays have a few guys who I would be interested in. The Marlins have DTrain and Cabrera, but Madson would only be part of a package there.
This is similar to what they did last year...have a hot streak and then piss it away by going completely in the tank. Remember last year after te 12-1 homestand they went out west and shtein the bed against the M's and A's?
And why is the NL Central killing them? Other than the Reds sweep, they have been swept by the Cards and Brewers and lost 2/3 from PIT.
Man, Phillie fans are so bipolar.
I was reading some posts on the other boards and they are being ripped like they are the Royals. People saying big trouble is brewing and stuff like that. Oh, and Bobby is being torn apart for K'ing in the 9th. Even though it was ball 4, he's being blasted.
Last night he helps bring them back. Today he K's looking after Utley K's looking terrible and Bobby is getting blasted.
Good stuff by people who think baseball seasons are 16 games and not 162.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 18, 2006, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 08:20:32 AM
Myers has turned into what we all hoped he would
what?
after all the coddling, and waiting...so all we ever hoped from myers was for him to turn out to be an overemotional pitcher who has consistancy problems?
He wasn't exactly coddled. He was brought up pretty quickly. He was 21 when he made his debut in 2001. And he has had 3 straight seasons of double digit wins.
So what if he is overemotional? He's young! And he's getting better at controlling himself.
And where are these consistency problems you speak of?
Please.
It was a tough series. Everything went right during the Reds series and everything went wrong here. I remember saying those wins over the Reds would evenutally even up. Hey, look, they just did.
What really needs to happen is the offense needs to pick it up. Gotta hit around Matt Clement tommorrow, and then Beckett saturday. Remember Beckett and Howard got a lil thing going in spring training, maybe we'll see a brawl. Howard will kill him. Beckett was always a piece of shtein, he could use the ass kicking.
Mets play the Yankees, Braves (yea, theyre back) get Toronto (by default). 2/3 would be nice, Sox are pretty good. Theyre irratating fans will be all over the place this weekend, anyones who is going should recieve a free pass to literally kill them. I honestly hate Boston fans more than New York. They are the absolute worst.
Quote from: MDS on May 18, 2006, 07:28:58 PM
It was a tough series. Everything went right during the Reds series and everything went wrong here. I remember saying those wins over the Reds would evenutally even up. Hey, look, they just did.
What really needs to happen is the offense needs to pick it up. Gotta hit around Matt Clement tommorrow, and then Beckett saturday. Remember Beckett and Howard got a lil thing going in spring training, maybe we'll see a brawl. Howard will kill him. Beckett was always a piece of shtein, he could use the ass kicking.
Mets play the Yankees, Braves (yea, theyre back) get Toronto (by default). 2/3 would be nice, Sox are pretty good. Theyre irratating fans will be all over the place this weekend, anyones who is going should recieve a free pass to literally kill them. I honestly hate Boston fans more than New York. They are the absolute worst.
Oooh...I forgot all about Howard almost killing that bitch Beckett. I am hoping that Ryan kills a HR off of him and then admires it a little bit. Let's get something going.
And maybe someone will do to Tito what Pedro did to Zimmer. :-D
And the win against the Muts was given and taken away by the baseball gods. Tuesday's game where Franklin threw it away even that one up.
They lost all games by 1 run.
But the dopes who overreact are saying its over and they will go into a slide and that Hamels, Floyd and everyone not named Howard and Utley should be traded for the stud starting pitcher who isn't even on the market.
No, I'm not kidding either.
Jeez....it's a long season. There is still 4 full months left, not to mention the rest of May. Get a grip.
Oh, it's on for thursday in NY. I was thinking about wendesday with Cole, but we decided against the night game (could spent the night in the city instead), and I pretty much refused considering its the 2 HOUR LOST FINALE. bwahaha.
Here's an idea, genius...
Go to NY for the day AND night game and TAPE the Lost finale.
I've got nowhere to stay, kid.
And I dont trust the tape. If I dont watch it at 9, I will surely find out what happens. My fellow Lost fans will vouch for this sudden venture into the land of dorkiness.
Quote from: MDS on May 18, 2006, 07:43:46 PM
I've got nowhere to stay, kid.
And I dont trust the tape. If I dont watch it at 9, I will surely find out what happens. My fellow Lost fans will vouch for this sudden venture into the land of dorkiness.
Hotel. NY has a ton of them. Just find a shteinhole like Tom Hanks did in Big.
And stop being a Vadgey McVadge. I can't watch the Sopranos on Sundays anymore and I still survive. If anyone starts talking about it before I see it on Tuesday or Wednesday, I punch them.
As for the people overreacting..its funny to read. But also makes me want to rip my monitor off the desk, stomp on it, urinate on the smoking screen and throw it out of the window.
Pay for my hotel, Billy Bob.
tonight...i had a guy on 3rd with one out and down by a run, and i struck out looking on a pitch i thought was low and outside...
suddenly, that Bobby Abreu seems like a pretty good guy
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 18, 2006, 10:43:36 PM
tonight...i had a guy on 3rd with one out and down by a run, and i struck out looking on a pitch i thought was low and outside...
suddenly, that Bobby Abreu seems like a pretty good guy
:-D
my team last week played, we loaded the bases with no outs. mind you this is medium pitch softball...coming up to the plate, i was 3-3, so i hit into a double play...and we didnt score a run.
go phils.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 18, 2006, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 08:20:32 AM
Myers has turned into what we all hoped he would
what?
after all the coddling, and waiting...so all we ever hoped from myers was for him to turn out to be an overemotional pitcher who has consistancy problems?
He wasn't exactly coddled. He was brought up pretty quickly. He was 21 when he made his debut in 2001. And he has had 3 straight seasons of double digit wins.
So what if he is overemotional? He's young! And he's getting better at controlling himself.
And where are these consistency problems you speak of?
Please.
that over 4 era is all we have ever hoped for?...have you forgotten last september, when he went 0-2 with nearly a 5 era?
he's 26 now and no better than he was as a rookie...this isnt all i have hoped for with myers.
you all suck. i was up 3-2 on the rockies in the 13th (abreu hr off mesa), 2 outs. madson was into close (long game, used gordon and rhodes already). i gave up a double, single, single. 3-3. struck the next guy out. no runs in the top of the 14th. bottom of the inning, leadoff single. i pull madson for julio santana, yea. next pitch the guy doubles. 2nd and 3rd now. next batter loops a single to right. game over.
boooooooooooooooooooooooooo to me.
IGY, you were talking about AlpineEagle earlier (the PBP guy). He has a prety serious health issue...
?
btw abreu should get murdered for that last strike out...not because of his bogus unclutch label but because how do you end a game taking a pitch on 3-2....just cant happen...if nothing else you stick your bat out and poke it foul if youre not sure
Quote from: Wingspan on May 18, 2006, 11:10:54 PM
:-D
my team last week played, we loaded the bases with no outs. mind you this is medium pitch softball...coming up to the plate, i was 3-3, so i hit into a double play...and we didnt score a run.
go phils.
wow, that's worse than mine, ha. what's medium pitch? i've never heard of it. i play fast pitch and i know of slow pitch, but never heard of medium.
Fast pitch is too competitive. I like a game where I can casually sip a beer in the outfield if I so choose.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 08:25:26 AM
Fast pitch is too competitive. I like a game where I can casually sip a beer in the outfield if I so choose.
you work at home, you can drink beer anytime you want...you can't take 2 hours to play a sport and not drink beer?
you can't take 2 hours to play a sport and not drink beer?
absolutely 100% NOT
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 19, 2006, 08:26:42 AM
you can't take 2 hours to play a sport and not drink beer?
I can, but why would I want to?
because playing sports rule...competition is fun
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 19, 2006, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 18, 2006, 11:10:54 PM
:-D
my team last week played, we loaded the bases with no outs. mind you this is medium pitch softball...coming up to the plate, i was 3-3, so i hit into a double play...and we didnt score a run.
go phils.
wow, that's worse than mine, ha. what's medium pitch? i've never heard of it. i play fast pitch and i know of slow pitch, but never heard of medium.
basically a hybrid of the two. its a 6 team league. but the pitching rules are that the ball can not travel higher than the height of the batter, and pitcher cannot wind his/her arm all the way around in a circle, just wind back, and throw underhand(obviously).
it's closer to slow than fast pitch.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 19, 2006, 08:59:43 AM
it's closer to slow than fast pitch.
It also sounds like it's easier than both for hitters.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 09:03:38 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 19, 2006, 08:59:43 AM
it's closer to slow than fast pitch.
It also sounds like it's easier than both for hitters.
if def easier than fast pitch. but it's about the same as slow pitch, as the pitchers actually have more control over their pitches. i play in this medium pitch league for work (which is why we have some made up rules with the pitch speed)...and i also play in a slow pitch league through my wifes employer. difficulty is about the same as a hitter. however playing the infield is much harder in the faster pitch league.
the Tigers...who ended last year 20 games under .500 are now 14 games OVER .500 with Jim Leyland
ha...yesterday a reporter asked Ryan Madsen if he was blowing Cole Hamels' games on purpose
Stylin (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/phi/photogallery/year_2006/month_05/day_18/cf1460797.html)
Link to article (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060518&content_id=1460699&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)
Pics of Burrell's girlfriend (Michelle) and Utley's fiancee (Jen) (http://mlb.mlb.com/phi/photogallery/year_2006/month_05/day_17/cf1458050.html) preparing for Monday's Phestival
Quote from: Wingspan on May 18, 2006, 11:19:05 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 18, 2006, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 08:20:32 AM
Myers has turned into what we all hoped he would
what?
after all the coddling, and waiting...so all we ever hoped from myers was for him to turn out to be an overemotional pitcher who has consistancy problems?
He wasn't exactly coddled. He was brought up pretty quickly. He was 21 when he made his debut in 2001. And he has had 3 straight seasons of double digit wins.
So what if he is overemotional? He's young! And he's getting better at controlling himself.
And where are these consistency problems you speak of?
Please.
that over 4 era is all we have ever hoped for?...have you forgotten last september, when he went 0-2 with nearly a 5 era?
he's 26 now and no better than he was as a rookie...this isnt all i have hoped for with myers.
He's no better than when he was a rookie?
You're fargin nuts.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 19, 2006, 12:40:40 PM
Pics of Burrell's girlfriend (Michelle) and Utley's fiancee (Jen) (http://mlb.mlb.com/phi/photogallery/year_2006/month_05/day_17/cf1458050.html) preparing for Monday's Phestival
Not that hot.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2006, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 18, 2006, 11:19:05 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on May 18, 2006, 10:12:44 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 08:20:32 AM
Myers has turned into what we all hoped he would
what?
after all the coddling, and waiting...so all we ever hoped from myers was for him to turn out to be an overemotional pitcher who has consistancy problems?
He wasn't exactly coddled. He was brought up pretty quickly. He was 21 when he made his debut in 2001. And he has had 3 straight seasons of double digit wins.
So what if he is overemotional? He's young! And he's getting better at controlling himself.
And where are these consistency problems you speak of?
Please.
that over 4 era is all we have ever hoped for?...have you forgotten last september, when he went 0-2 with nearly a 5 era?
he's 26 now and no better than he was as a rookie...this isnt all i have hoped for with myers.
He's no better than when he was a rookie?
You're fargin nuts.
in 2004, he lost went through june, july and august getting only 4 wins out of 16 games
in 2005, he recorded only 4 wins in the months of august september and 1 game in oct, which spanned 12 starts
2003 was his only full season without a full scale swoon to speak of.
he's a #3 guy. i expected more from him...he hasnt outgrown any bad habits from what i see...
Lame.
philly fans are the best in the world. they are so generous they gave ove half of their tickets to red sox fans. bless their hearts.
what a pathetic display tonight.
we take over fenway, camden and rfk when we go there. people put tickets on ebay and through ticket brokers, or the sox fans buy the 6 game packs and sell the other games. its a regular season baseball game, if they wanna go, theyre gonna be able to go. if this shtein happened at an eagles game that means something, then id have a problem.
Why can't this team score runs? Even in Cincy they couldn't score for shtein.
And nice to see Lieber challenge Ortiz inside. Moron.
And did I see right that they had the bases loaded in the first and couldn't score?
They HAVE to win today. I want them to rough Beckett up.
These guys are on a tear since I got back from vacation.
we take over fenway, camden and rfk when we go there
camden yards yes...but they still dont come close to what sox and yankee fans do there...
fenway they had a very strong showing when i was there...but srong in terms of a decent showing considering how hard tickets are to get not because of how many fans they had and they come anywhere near 'taking it over' like sox and mets fans do in philly...and phils fans barely showed at rfk last year
its a disgrace at what happens at the bank
as for the team this year they are what they are a solid .500 or just over club...they arent good enough to be anything better...im just glad with losses like last night where they are never in it...those are easy to take...as opposed to the choke jobs in milwaukee...
rfk was taken over for the last series. grant it, the nats were out of it and nobody there cared, but we still took over the place.
rfk was taken over for the last series. grant it, the nats were out of it and nobody there cared, but we still took over the place
i went to all three games and if you think that was a take over try going to a flyer cap game in dc...youre a confused young man
Hall of Mediocity Candidate...gives up 4 runs in the 6th...4-1 SAWKX
myers is a fraud...i realize a bad error by rollins but for god sakes for how long are you not gonna be able to buck up and be a man and get someone out when not everything is the exact way you want it...i agree with wing...hes like original coke...the same as it ever was
i cant even take watching these red sox games...in the background is an eternal 'lets go red sox chant'...it never stops...ever
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2006, 09:11:32 PM
myers is a fraud...i realize a bad error by rollins but for god sakes for how long are you not gonna be able to buck up and be a man and get someone out when not everything is the exact way you want it...i agree with wing...hes like original coke...the same as it ever was
i cant even take watching these red sox games...in the background is an eternal 'lets go red sox chant'...it never stops...ever
Try watching the game on NESN. :boom
Try watching the game on NESN
i am
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
Try watching the game on NESN
i am
Enough to make you puke, isn't it?
correction: i was
i dont know how bad they are because i cant hear them over the red sox chants...i know sean mcdonough is one of them and the other sounds like tommy heinson
Yeah, Myers is just another guy who hasn't shown he can pitch well.
Please.
Oh! He's sooooo mediocre!
He has shown he can pitch big and bear down when need be.
Anyways, this teams problem is the hitting. Inconsistent offense...AGAIN!
Maybe its a blessing that I am unable to watch the games.
Tomorrow = must win.
If they can't beat down Lenny farging DiNardo they all should be shot.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2006, 02:37:31 AM
Yeah, Myers is just another guy who hasn't shown he can pitch well.
Please.
Oh! He's sooooo mediocre!
He has shown he can pitch big and bear down when need be.
Anyways, this teams problem is the hitting. Inconsistent offense...AGAIN!
Maybe its a blessing that I am unable to watch the games.
Tomorrow = must win.
If they can't beat down Lenny farging DiNardo they all should be shot.
Depends on which Cory Lidle decides to pitch today. With the Red Sox' hitters, I'm not overly optimistic.
yep...the phils could put a seven spot on dinardo and still easily lose like 10-7...lidle is going to get murdered today...the red sox arent the scab team the phils have been playing since essentially the start of the year
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2006, 02:37:31 AM
He has shown he can pitch big and bear down when need be.
when has he done this?
wasnt yesterday...in the midst of a losing streak, when a good pitching performance was needed?
Alex Gonzalez RETIRED :D
Coste called up to replace him
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 21, 2006, 01:10:21 PM
Alex Gonzalez RETIRED :D
Coste called up to replace him
"Retired" so he wouldn't face the embarrassment of being released, probably.
Either way, it's all good. GO COSTE! :yay
Coste and his under .200 ba :yay
Quote from: MDS on May 21, 2006, 01:41:31 PM
Coste and his under .200 ba :yay
Still an improvement over A-Gone. :-\
4-2. bottom 5.
Make that 5-2. HOWARD!!!!!! :D
NY Post article on Hamels (http://www.nypost.com/sports/64046.htm)
It must not be clutch time, as Abreu hit a 3-run HR to extend the Phils' lead to 8-3 in the bottom of the 6th.
Just about dead center, too.
needs a double for the cycle
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 21, 2006, 03:41:06 PM
NY Post article on Hamels (http://www.nypost.com/sports/64046.htm)
Nice article. This kid could be something.
Bums win. :)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 21, 2006, 05:06:58 PM
Bums win. :)
Yet somehow they made a 5-run 9th inning lead look tenuous.
Nice win today. A much needed win, I must say.
1. Bobby Abreu has got his swing worked out. He started getting back on track in MIL and he continued it this weekend. With Jimmy still in a funk and with Rowand still out, they needed Bobby to step it up. The offense had been whatever Chase Utley and Ryan Howard could muster up by themselves lately.
2. Speaking of Jimmy, he better pull his head out of his ass and get back to the way he was swinging earlier. I don't care if he's a free swinger and likes to be aggressive and go after the ball. But if you're going to be that type of a hitter you have to be mechanically sound. Jimmy's front shoulder starts flying open and he gets that ever-so-slight uppercut in his swing and it fargs him up.
What I am tired of hearing is how Aaron Rowand or Bobby Abreu should lead off. We know Jimmy is not a prototypical leadoff guy. Charlie knows that as does Gillick. But the options other than Jimmy are not right. Rowand's OBP is not great and he doesn't walk a lot. He is best suited for the 6th hole. Jimmy's best suited for the 7th hole. I'll tell you who I would love to see here next year....Chone Figgins. He'd replace David Bell and bat leadoff. Maybe they can acquire him via trade (Bobby A to the Angels for Figgins and a pitcher?) in the offseason.
3. Nice to see Alex Gonzalez getting released, er, I mean retiring. He stunk.
4. They need to win 2/3 from the Mets. They're throwing out two slop pitchers on WED & THU.
Oh, yeah. Did y'all catch the comment made by David Wells where he suggested that David Dellucci was on the juice last year?
Ladies and gentleman, I give you Bill Conlin's opening line in his column today;
QuoteGOOD MORNING, Philadelphia. And how does it feel being Terry Francona's bitch?
haha thats great
btw abreu absolutely should lead off
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 22, 2006, 02:38:41 AM
What I am tired of hearing is how Aaron Rowand or Bobby Abreu should lead off. We know Jimmy is not a prototypical leadoff guy. Charlie knows that as does Gillick. But the options other than Jimmy are not right. Rowand's OBP is not great and he doesn't walk a lot. He is best suited for the 6th hole. Jimmy's best suited for the 7th hole. I'll tell you who I would love to see here next year....Chone Figgins. He'd replace David Bell and bat leadoff. Maybe they can acquire him via trade (Bobby A to the Angels for Figgins and a pitcher?) in the offseason.
Well why not Victorino until Rowand comes back? Someone else should be in leadoff until Jimmy fixes his problem. He can't get on base right now and that forces Chase to go from RBI mode to "just getting on base" mode.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 22, 2006, 07:53:55 AM
haha thats great
btw abreu absolutely should lead off
Yes he should. Too bad he blatantly refuses to do so.
You gotta love it when the inmates are in charge of the asylum, though.
:yay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 22, 2006, 03:11:21 AM
Ladies and gentleman, I give you Bill Conlin's opening line in his column today;
QuoteGOOD MORNING, Philadelphia. And how does it feel being Terry Francona's bitch?
Whoever is the sports editor should be canned for allowing Conlin to publish vulgar rubbish like that.
Moreover, Conlin should be shown the door once and for all. His prime is nothing but a dot in his proverbial rearview mirror at this point.
yeah its hard believe that he can just straight up refuse to do it and get away with it
starting anew era with gillick coming in was the perfect time to pull a soriano on him
Abreu shouldnt lead off. He's too important in the middle of the order and it basically marganilizes his skills. Right now Victorino should be leading off and Rollins should be 6th or 7th.
Victorino will be seated on the bench in a couple of days, so he's out as a leadoff hitter.
Abreu might strike out a lot but his selectivity at the plate makes him a better candidate to lead off than Rollins.
Rollins is pretty maddening at this point. I honestly thought he had turned it around for good but he's back to swinging for the fences again for some reason.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 22, 2006, 02:48:37 AM
Oh, yeah. Did y'all catch the comment made by David Wells where he suggested that David Dellucci was on the juice last year?
He answered questions about that today. With usual class.
Quote"'I wasn't accusing him or anything of the sort. So the [expletive] who did it, or the [expletives] who did it, I think they need to [expletive]. And you can quote me on that. [Expletives]."
phillies are 5th in the wild card race
Fasano got hit in the nads and now Coste is the backup catcher until he can play (could be back tommorrow, though). This seriously might be the worst catching group in the majors, and I'm not even factoring in Loserthal.
sal fasano = clue haywood from major league
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5009/411/1600/fasanoonhaywood.jpg)
Quote from: phattymatty on May 22, 2006, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 22, 2006, 02:48:37 AM
Oh, yeah. Did y'all catch the comment made by David Wells where he suggested that David Dellucci was on the juice last year?
He answered questions about that today. With usual class.
Quote"'I wasn't accusing him or anything of the sort. So the [expletive] who did it, or the [expletives] who did it, I think they need to [expletive]. And you can quote me on that. [Expletives]."
I think Wells has chronic self-esteem issues stemming from his being morbidly obese.
Either that or he's just a bigmouth farging jerkoff.
(http://www.algonet.se/~nalle5/bond/galleri/bilder/man/schiavelli2.jpg)
"GET OFF MY TRAIN!"
That guy's dead, and the guy who played Clue Haywood (I always thought it was Lou) was actually a big league pitcher:
QuoteFormer Major League baseball pitcher, 1975 to 1986. Pitched for the Chicago White Sox, Toronto Blue Jays, St. Louis Cardinals & Milwaukee Brewers. Was a member of the original Toronto Blue Jays team of 1977. A pitcher during his professional career, but portrayed a power hitting first baseman in the 1989 film "Major League".
QuoteAmerican League "Cy Young" Award winner, 1982 with Milwaukee Brewers.
good...ugly farg
Ha, and the guy who played "The Duke" was actually a major league catcher:
QuoteFormer Major League baseball player & longtime member of the Los Angeles Dodgers (1972-1985). Also played for the Seattle Mariners in 1986. Member of the Dodgers World Series teams of 1974, 1977, 1978 & championship team of 1981 (co-Series MVP). A catcher during his playing days, but portrayed a relief pitcher in "Major League". Created stir during his career by posing nude for Playgirl Magazine.
Braves are only 1 game behind the Phils now
Quote from: MDS on May 22, 2006, 12:48:13 PM
Abreu shouldnt lead off. He's too important in the middle of the order and it basically marganilizes his skills. Right now Victorino should be leading off and Rollins should be 6th or 7th.
I agree. Bobby needs to stay in the 3rd hole.
And for those who say that he flat out refuses to do so, here is a piece of the article when he hit leadoff a few years ago.
QuoteBobby Abreu batted leadoff for the Phillies in the first game of a three-game series at Great American Ball Park on Friday. Moving Abreu to the top spot in the order has been frequently discussed as a means to help ignite the sputtering Phillies offense. Abreu has been reluctant to accept the role but said before Friday's game that he would do whatever he can to help the team win. Abreu did, however, make it clear that he viewed the move as a short-term solution."This is something we were talking about before Spring Training," Abreu said. "Then coming out of spring training we started talking again. I'll do it for the team, you know. We need a leadoff hitter right now. I'll go out there and do the job. It wasn't like it was a surprise."
Abreu is batting .278 with 9 home runs and 40 RBI. His on-base percentage is .391 making him one of the more likely candidates to bat leadoff. Still, Abreu has been adamant in saying that he prefers to bat in the middle of the order. "It's not about contracts or money," he said. "It's about being more comfortable batting third or batting fourth. I don't have the same feeling [and am not] as comfortable in [the leadoff] spot."
While the responsibilities of a leadoff man are in stark contrast to those of a No. 2 or 3 hitter, Abreu doesn't plan on altering his approach at the plate. He also doesn't expect opposing pitchers to work him any differently.
"I don't think I need to change my game," Abreu said. "It will be the same. I've been taking pitches. I'm just going to do my job and get on base for the guys behind me. I don't think I have to change my approach."
"I think they pretty much know how they're going to pitch me. I don't think they're going to change when I bat leadoff."
When asked if he would be open to leading off long-term if he had some success in the role, Abreu smiled and shook his head. His reaction spoke louder than words.
So he said he'd do it to help the team but didn't want to do it long term because of it hurting his comfort zone. Let's get off the "but its good for the team" kick for a minute.
What if Bobby is moved to leadoff and gives it his best shot and isn't the same Bobby? What if his average suffers? What if he has a prolonged slump? Well my guess is that the people who dislike him would say he is not giving it his all and therefore he is sabotaging the team by doing poorly.
But what if he struggled in the 1-hole like Utley struggled in the 4-5 hole this year? Look at what happened to his numbers once he was moved to the 2-hole.
I can't find the breakdown right now, but I believe that Bobby's average when hitting 4th is like 50 points lower than his career average. The whole point to this is that some players have their comfort zones in the order. And Bobby's is hitting in the 3 hole.
So would you take Bobby as a leadoff hitter if he was batting .255 and not driving the ball like he can? He'll still get his walks and his OBP will be good, but you've got to hit the ball.
Jimmy is the leadoff guy until they get someone else in the offseason. Our new leadoff hitter isn't in a Phillies uniform yet.
I would drop Jimmy out for the rest of this week as a wakeup call and plug in Victorino. And when Rowand comes back he goes back to #1 with Aaron hitting 6th.
Oh, no! He might have to leave his "comfort zone" and do what's best for the team!
Jesus...
::)
Oh, no! He might have to leave his "comfort zone" and do what's best for the team!
Jesus...
for real...phreak you need to let go of bopbbys penis
the guy will not bat lead off and said so even tho it would be for the betterment of the team...hed be light years better than rollins or anyone else they have and its not like they would miss him in the middle of the order as the one thing they do have in the lineup are tons of hr's and rbi's
ooooh but he would be uncomfortable...who gives a shtein about his comfort zone...this is about giving the team the best chance to make the playoffs
Here is what I think Phreak's point is:
It's not that Abreu was unwilling to bat leadoff, at least in the short term. However, ballplayers, if nothing else, are creatures of habit and routine. Batting leadoff could result in a drop-off in Abreu's production, and even in OBP.
Personally, I still like the idea of Victorino, in the short term, being put in the leadoff spot. Give Rollins a break. When Rowand comes back, mix things up a bit. Lots of players are slumping (Burrell is batting <.200 in the past few weeks). Victorino seems to be able to get on base, and may be the fastest player on the team.
It's not that Abreu was unwilling to bat leadoff
that exactly what it is...but lets call the rest of the season the 'short term'...will he do it then
However, ballplayers, if nothing else, are creatures of habit and routine
boo hoo
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=themosthatedmaninamerica&prov=tsn&type=lgns
Some blurb in the Palm Beach Post about Dontrelle Willis:
Quote
The Arizona Republic reported Monday that the Diamondbacks have had discussions with the Marlins about acquiring Dontrelle Willis to form a solid 1-2 punch with Brandon Webb. Scouts for the Yankees, Phillies and Cardinals attended Sunday's game at Tropicana Field when Willis allowed three runs in a complete-game loss to the Devil Rays.
Willis would be sweet here in Philly, but it'll never happen. :-\
i guess they sent scouts because they've never heard of him yet.
Theyd want Floyd. And they can have him.
give 'em Gio Gonzalez, Floyd, and Bourn
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 23, 2006, 01:49:59 PM
give 'em Gio Gonzalez, Floyd, and Bourn
Geary is a dealbreaker, though.
Unless Manuel is a complete retard (which he clearly is not) then even he knows that Rollins isn't suited for the leadoff position. He's a rotten leadoff hitter simply because when his swing leaves him, he becomes utterly useless out there. Conversely, even when Abreu is in a slump, he still gets a ton of walks, and that's crucial for a lead-off guy. He's the straw that stirs the drink.
Personally, I'd sit down with Bobby and lay it on the line: Bob, you're the leadoff hitter until further notice. If that upsets you or your comfort zone, that's too farging bad. If he didn't accept his role, I'd trade his ass for whatever I could get for him.
Hopefully someone would be desperate enough to trade a #1 starter for him but if that didn't work out, I'd take prospects for him.
Something has to be done about that group and "me-first" head-cases like Abreu are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Bobby's "comfort" zone means nothing to me. Go out and play where your name is in the lineup, and stop bitching.
Thing is, he is most effective and useful hitting in the middle of the order. For the last time, hitting him first marganilizes his skills and makes the middle of the order weaker. Jimmy is not the best leadoff hitter, but in the long run, his hitting leadoff isn't the problem. This team won 88 games last year, and the reason they didn't win more was pitching. It was not the lineup. Say what you want about Rollins hitting leadoff, but in the end the lineup still gets the job done. Yes, they've been crappy for the past week. But Abreu is starting to pick it up, and Rollins went 2/4 with a walk yesterday, maybe he's getting out of his slump. Just chill out, and complain about the starting pitching and lame ass bullpen outside of Gordon. Thats the problem, kids.
wait you mean their starting pitching sucks?
its not about what the biggest problem is...its about improving the team...and right now there are no ways to improve the pitching but there are ways to improve the lineup...first and foremost getting a leadoff hitter...at the very least you try bobby there for a month he cant be worse than the atrocious rollins...maybe that 88 wins last year becomes 90 this year with bobby leading off and thus they make the playoffs...
when did david bell become a real baseball player?
Phillies doing what they do best, blowing games.
8-8 Bottom 11
JOSE REY ASS IS A JERK
Goin to the 14th.
Free baseball :yay
If Ryan Howard didnt suck so much at first, this be over looong ago.
im bored of this team.
if ryan franklin isn't beaten to shtein in the shower, then this team is every bit as sad as i think it is.
Whizzer summed up what I was trying to say.
And Bobby's tool is nowhere near me, IGY. I am an Abreu fan and I know he's got his faults. But I wouldn't hit him leadoff. I want him in the 3 hole. That is where he hits best.
And I saw none of the game tonight. I only got to hear the 15th and 16th on the way home and I am so worn out that I really don't care what happened. I'm sure I'll be pissed as hell tomorrow. I do know that Ryan Franklin is a chode though. But you have to give Reyes some credit for hitting that ball out. It was an inch off he ground.
Hamels is in a big spot. They have to win tonight and THU.
And did I see that David Bell had 5 rbis? What the hell is up with him?
All the idiots on Philliesphans are in tears over this, but it comes as no surprise to me:
HAMELS IS HEADING BACK TO PHILLY, ANOTHER INJURY. LIEBER WILL START TOMMOROW INSTEAD, EVERYONE ELSE UP A DAY.
No word on how long he will be out, but they will need another starter for the friday game (in LA?). Actually, ironically enough, Madson would probably get the call for that. If not, probably Brito.
Jesus farging Christ. >:(
From the Inky;
QuoteThe Phillies, who learned Tuesday that lefthander Cole Hamels was scratched from Wednesday's start after he felt two pops in his shoulder before the game, had just two pitchers left in the bullpen: lefthander Rheal Cormier and closer Tom Gordon.
Hopefully its nothing serious. :-\
Hamels, even though loaded with potential, is a china doll.
MDS, we've got Milwaukee this weekend
"Right now it feels weird," Hamels said in a dead quiet clubhouse. "Since I felt a difference in the way my arm was feeling than over the last couple of days it worries me a little bit."
"I don't want the same mistake happen twice," said Hamels, who tried to pitch through the elbow tenderness in 2004. "It's a little different then it was in spring training. I don't want to hurt this team. We have a chance to make the playoffs and I don't want to get in the way of that."
"I've never experienced anything like this," Hamels said. "That's why it's so new to me. That's why when it first happened I didn't want to take any chances."
He's a walking DL stint. Sucks, but figures to be the Phillies luck.
Milwaukee, eh? Okay, were due for some wins against them. Hopefully Cole can pitch friday, if not just miss the one start.
By the way, that game tonight blew.
abreu made one of the chicken shtein plays of all-time last nite...so much for rowand rubbing off on him...how does he have the balls to pull something like that after what happend just a couple weeks ago...he should be sat down for a game or two for that
pops in the shoulder = really bad
they need to be ultra cautious with hamels...even if it means sitting him for the year...its next year and more likely two years from now where the phils can make a real run
i saw the replay of that abreu play on comcast this morning & i now understand why phils fans hate him so much.
wow.
it makes me laugh when people say a may baseball game is a must win.
even if it's game 7 of the Word Series, or as i call it, the Fall Classic
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 24, 2006, 09:16:07 AM
or as i call it, the Fall Classic
good nickname, maybe that'll catch on
im hoping so, i also thought about calling someone who performs well in the "Fall Classic" Mr. October.
wouldnt he be mr fall?
shut up and leave the clever sayings to me.
Franklin had 2 strikes on Chavez, Woodard and Reyes and couldn't finish off any of them. One f'ing strike on any of those guys and the game doesn't go 2 extra hours. A-hole....
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2006, 09:32:03 AM
wouldnt he be mr fall?
Herr Autumn has a nice ring to it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2006, 02:02:01 AM
But I wouldn't hit him leadoff. I want him in the 3 hole. That is where he hits best.
I want him gone after last night's punk-out.
He's got no heart, Jay. None whatsoever.
Franklin had 2 strikes on Chavez, Woodard and Reyes and couldn't finish off any of them. One f'ing strike on any of those guys and the game doesn't go 2 extra hours
blame the manager...franklin had no business being in the game at that point
since the game went into extra innings...everyone as seemed to forgot that gavin floyd completely sucked again.
floyd needs a third pitch in the worst way...his curveball is uncanny...but all he has after that is an average at best fastball...he needs to improve his change up or he needs to develop a splitter
i think he is going to be a very very good pitcher in about two years
btw my ten games out on june 10 is rounding into shape
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2006, 10:52:16 AMblame the manager...franklin had no business being in the game at that point
True, Manuel is a f'ing retard, but the pitcher has to get the job done if he's called. Franklin sucks. His sponsorship on Baseball-Reference.com says it all...
QuoteTelling the world how glad I am that you won't be a part of the 2006 Mariners cost me $15. It's the best purchase I've ever made.
i cant recall if floyd led off the 8th or was coming up second...but either way after rhodes rolled thru the 7th i dont know how you dont bring him out to at least start the 8th
but yeah franklin is human tnt
Bobby Abreu is a cryin shame--anybody that pulls that kind of crap in the outfield should be beaten with a Louisville Slugger in the dugout by all of his teammates. Rather than do a full glove extension, he pulled a Todd Pinkston--and curled up like a bitch not even close to the wall. What is going on with the fielding judgement of these players?
No need to get back in the whole "Bobby has no heart" discussion again
<---------------idiot
that's good to know in the phillies thread
IGY clarify that---i dont have the forum jargon down just yet
Update on Cole: Charlie says it's a "labrum problem" and he's getting another test done...
to follow up with BidEd said...
QuoteThey're the big three of pitching injuries and they're all serious. But one dwarfs the others.
If Tommy John elbow injuries are the flu and rotator cuff tears are yellow fever, then a torn labrum is the Ebola virus.
It strikes quickly. Its early warning signs are virtually undetectable. Doctors only recently traced its cause. And if it requires surgery, chances are good your career is over.
http://www.slate.com/id/2100895/
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 24, 2006, 05:00:58 PM
Update on Cole: Charlie says it's a "labrum problem" and he's getting another test done...
holy crap, a brain injury?
Update from Kruk on DNL: he talked to Cole and it's a pinch in the rotator cuff. No tears and no structural damage. He'll make his next scheduled start.
*exhale*
i love you easy
me too
Kruk only has one ball.
read up (http://www.shouldersolutions.com/impinge_1.php)
Rest, ice and anti-inflammatories should do the trick, but it could lead to future problems if not corrected...
i'll beleive he's fine when there is an official report
CSN reporting a strained shoulder and 15-day DL retro to his last start (so he'll return on June 3), with Clay Condrey being called up
sorry easy im with wing....this is all highly suspect
walking injury strikes again
madson back to the rotation
yipee
What's that crumbling sound I hear as I face towards the east across the pacific?
3-0 to 3-3 in no time. I farging hate this team.
the lineup looks like shtein against a guy who's fastball is topping out at 87 mph. niiiiiiiiice.
does anyone in the history of baseball strike out looking more than burrell...he is definitely my most hated athlete in the city right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2006, 08:31:19 PM
does anyone in the history of baseball strike out looking more than burrell...he is definitely my most hated athlete in the city right now
I brought that up last year and got crucified. Nothing worse than "takin' one." farging Chandler look a-like needs a pair of nads.
Abreu misplays a triple. 4-3 Mets. :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
this last AB, he didn't swing the bat once, definitley what you want from your cleanup
abreu is brutal
howard is brutal
burrell is brutal
how the hell can we win with 3 defensive players being that bad?
Note to Bobby.stop
Thank god for Victorino.stop
howard is a hack...but at least he isnt gonna hurt you too bad at first...you cannot win in the major leagues with abreu and burrel defending your corners...
remember when people wanted to try howard in the outfield....lol
1-2-3 9th for Wagner
Sweep coming up
Bobby Abreu has a gold glove!!111!1
Why am I going tommorrow? Gotta get about around 8 to catch various trains. Maybe I'll kill a Met fan on the way, make the trip worthwhile.
Direct quote from the 6/2 issue of the Sporting News, from Philly favorite Jim Thome:
QuoteIn his first visit to Jacobs Field this season, ex-Indian Jim Thome was booed by his former fans. Says Thome, "At first I thought I was back in Philadelphia. But then I realized this city doesn't smell like a jockstrap."
well well well....
hater in the house
1. I hear Bobby A misplayed one tonight again, is this right? I saw two parts of the game tonight. The first being the misplayed DP by the Mets and the Burrell HR.
2. I would be open to trading Abreu as long as it was for a leadoff hitter or a solid 3B and a pitcher. A pitcher ha sto be included. And the guy who I would like as far as 3B go is Chone Figgins from Anaheim. He could hit leadoff and play 3B. His OBP isn't great this year but he's fast and plays a solid 3rd.
3. Good news on Cole so far. Like I said..he's a china doll.
4. Way to piss away the 12/13 streak, Phightins. Goddamn bums.
5. Thome's comments are surprising.
Apparently John Kruk said that someone needs to go get in Abreu's ass and tell him if he bails on another ball again then they will stick theirfoot right up his ass.
Haven't heard it, but he apparently said it on BBTN.
Oh, and he said on Jody Mac that Howard was lackadaisical in the field and takes plays for granted.
abreu is lackadaisical...howard just sucks...hes a DH if there ever was one
the Phillies are an inspired 1-6 after Rowand sold out for that catch. way to make it worthwhile fellas.
4-7 (5-7 if you count that same game)
didn't they go right to Milwaukee after the Mets series? they got swept there, they won 1 of 3 from the Red Sox and they lost 2 to the mets...
swept cincy....good call
i thought that was before the Mets series...i guess not
my non-point not withstanding, farg this team.
brutal
and the main hope for the future is the boy in the bubble
Victorino leading off today, with JRoll hitting 6th
it's a start, but what are they gonnna do when Rowand's back
so you change your name to Sunnycakes in reflection to your idol, hairy fireman Johnnycakes? Oh boy
well done Matlock
god bless you
he already has, it's you
3-0 Phils after half an inning. Will they blow this lead too?
(2-run HR by Abreu, CF HR by Howard)
cole already has a playboy girlfriend, that was fast.
http://paulspoop.blogspot.com/2006/05/phuture-phillies-phenom.html
the "ace" gagged up a 3-0 lead in just under 2 innings
the pitcher that is everything that we could have hoped for just served up a 3 run HR to reyes with 2 outs.
go phils!
Mike and the Mad Dog are doing the Mets broadcast for whatever reason, and they're cracking me up.
it's like their doing their show while calling a game. just ripping everybody.
Burrell has 33 career HR against the Mets in only 300+ AB. that's sick
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 25, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
Burrell has 33 career HR against the Mets in only 300+ AB. that's sick
300+ ABs could be anything. 33 HRs in 7,000 ABs for example. That's not too good.
good point...
i think its somewhere around 3,000,000 AB
Phillies get an early lead
Phillies blow early lead
Phillies offense shuts down after one early inning
Check, check and motherfargin check.
This team is as easy to read as Green Eggs and Ham.
Victorino just made a great diving catch :yay
And nice inning by the Phils in the top 5th. Two on, no outs and they can't get the ball out of the goddamn INF.
Utley is 4-4 after his latest hit. A double that scored Victorino. Utley advances to 3rd on the throw!
at least somebody showed up today
Hopefully they can hold this lead. And Brett can get himself a W today.
Bobby works a full count with The Met Killer on deck.
Bobby K's looking on a pitch that painted the outside corner.
Come on, Pat! Just a sac fly here buddy.
i've never seen the middle of a lineup strikeout looking as much as Abreu Brurrell and Howard...it's maddening.
Agreed.
But they strike out a ton swinging too.
The massive amount of K's by this team is aggravating.
COME ON PAT
Burrell walks.
Ryan Howard up with runners on 1st and 3rd.
A slow footed runner on 1st, I might add.
I smell a double play here w/ the sinker baller pitchin
Hope I am wrong.
And thank god I was.
Howard smokes a line drive to RF.
5-3 Phils
Burrell makes it to 3rd.
Come on James Calvin.
Jesus Christ. He is the one who hits into the DP. >:(
5-3 phils now.
if they pull this game out...they still need to take 2 of three at the least this weekend.
they wont though
rollins hit into a DP to end the inning...now hitting .237
jimmy rollins....what is there to say...this year has been a regression of epic proportions.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 25, 2006, 02:46:00 PM
Phillies get an early lead
Phillies blow early lead
Phillies offense shuts down after one early inning
Check, check and motherfargin check.
This team is as easy to read as Green Eggs and Ham.
Victorino just made a great diving catch :yay
And nice inning by the Phils in the top 5th. Two on, no outs and they can't get the ball out of the goddamn INF.
This perfectly sums up the past week and a half.
Jimmy flies out to the OF 99 out of 100 times.
The time we need a fly ball?
He hits a grond ball that turns into a DP.
This perfectly sums up the past week and a half three years
1 out of ever 5 of burrells major league homers have come against the mets
thats 20% kids
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 25, 2006, 03:27:18 PM
This perfectly sums up the past week and a half three years
1 out of ever 5 of burrells major league homers have come against the mets
thats 20% kids
true...he has 34 HRs vs the mets...out of 171 career shots
but he's also had more ABs vs the mets than any other team (over 380) and has played in 108 games vs the mets out of 893
for his career he's averaged 1 HR for every 18 ABs....vs the mets just over 1 HR ever 10 ABs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 25, 2006, 03:27:18 PM
This perfectly sums up the past week and a half three years
:-D :-D
Crowd is chanting "Phillies Suck!" LA on the radio says "I think their saying Billy" to which Graham quickly corrects him.
Rhodes walks Floyd w/ 2 outs in the b8th.
Gordon coming in for the 4 out save.
Good move.
David Wright will face him
Well, Flash walks Wright. :-\
Kaz Matsui is up now.
it was Nady Phreak...Wright already K'd this inning
Matsui grounds out to Gordon.
We go to the 9th.
Did you hear the crowd turn on Matsui? Wow.
Well, the losers salvaged one game.
That Thome quote from Sporting News was fake, BTW. The person that typed it up from the magazine didn't realize it. :-D
You know, I was just going to post that, Ed. I got my TSN today and its on the page where ther preview the big baseball matchups for the week. There are several other fake quotes on there as well...
1. In regards to the upcoming Mariners-Twins series;
QuoteThe future is now for these struggling teams, and pitching phenom Felix Rodriguez and Francisco Liriano are proof. Says Liriano, the 22-year old Twins lefthander: "I want to be the next Jamie Moyer-pitch until I'm 54 and be a creepy old guy who listens to AM radio"
2. In regards to the Yankees-Tigers series;
QuoteA decade after his ill-fated signing with the Yankes, Kenny Rogers still is baffled by his lack of success in pinstripes. Says Rogers, "At least the Yankees learned their lesson about overpaying for an aging lefty." A few feet away, Randy Johnson's back locks up as he combs his mustache.
According to Pat Gillick on The Jody Mac show on WPEN, Bobby Abreu is willing to bat leadoff.
Bobby told Pat that he will hit there if he is asked to. But they are going to give Rollins one more shot.
I believe that since Rowand is coming back this weekend that Jimmy has this Milwaukee series to get it right. If he doesn't do it, then we will see Bobby leading off when the team heads west.
1. Wow, Shea is a total dump. Literally. A farging dump. The Vet is seriously better. What a crappy, crappy place to watch a ballgame. The food sucks, the seats sucks, the view sucks, its ugly, drap, bad colors, old, worn out, just awful.
2. NJ Transit was apparantly down, so instead of driving to Trenton and taking trains to Shea, we just drove the whole way. No other choice, really. Wasn't that bad, parking was $13 though. What a rip off.
3. We got the $9 seats and just plopped somewhere behind the Phils dugout in the upper level (I think our seats were for the left field corner). Better view, obviously. But there were all these damn kids there. A bunch of NY schools decided to forgo education for the day and take the kids to the game, so there were a lot of annoying kids around. They got the wave going (lame) and screamed at the top of the lungs when the scoreboard said to make noise (as opposed to cheering for the mets, i doubt most followed the game). Still, we sat in front of these stereotypical New Yorkers with the thick accents and behind these Jewish Phillies fans (yes, lots and lots of yids there. i felt at home).
4. Not a bad game. Figured we would blow the 3-0 lead, was surpirsed Myers held on that long. He had well over 100 pitches when all was said and done. Pretty impressive job considering the pitch count. Utley was awsome, and Abreu took about an hour to trot around the bases on his homer. Lazy sumbitch.
5. 2 quasi-celebrity sightings. First was when we buying the tickets, I saw Cousin Sal for the Jimmy Kimmell Show. He barely, if actually, qualifies. I didn't say anything to him, he really wasn't worth it. In fact, I feel ashamed that I even recognized him. Second was at the rest stop on the ride back. We left immediatly after the game and didnt stop until the dinner run. 20 minutes after we get there, just as were rapping up the food, farging Pat Burrell walks in his hot ass girlfriend. I was more confused as to how he got there so fast (no way he packed up and left in 20 minutes after the game was over). He was being escorted in a limo, and they stopped at a rest top to grab some Burger King. Weird. Internesting factoid though, Burrell does not carry a wallet. When he paid for the burgers, he wipped out a big ass wad of straight cash. Think the lowest he had was $20. Not shocking. By the way, he is really good looking. Yea, it's kinda gay, but he is really a good looking guy.
Good time overall, would do it again, especially for a late season game. But driving in NY is about the worst possible thing you could do. Good thing my friend drove, and I just sat in the car and annoyed him. Ha.
1. Wow, Shea is a total dump. Literally. A farging dump. The Vet is seriously better. What a crappy, crappy place to watch a ballgame. The food sucks, the seats sucks, the view sucks, its ugly, drap, bad colors, old, worn out, just awful.
its not worse than the vet...despite the obvious bias i have for the vet...that said its pretty zesty...i cant speak on the food in general but shea hot dogs are the best ive ever had
2. NJ Transit was apparantly down, so instead of driving to Trenton and taking trains to Shea, we just drove the whole way. No other choice, really. Wasn't that bad, parking was $13 though. What a rip off.
the lirr has a direct train to shea for like 9 bucks round trip
next time you go ride with a gangsta like me and youll be much better off
Shea Stadium is indeed a shteinhole. I haven't been there in probably 15 years and it was bad back then. I can only imagine how bad it is now.
~ That said ~
The worst stadium to see a baseball game by far is the place that the Marlins play in. Joe Robbie, Dolphins Stadium... whatever the farg they're calling it this week, it sucks. It's like what watching a game in Hell must be like.
QuoteBurrell does not carry a wallet. When he paid for the burgers, he wipped out a big ass wad of straight cash. Think the lowest he had was $20. Not shocking. By the way, he is really good looking. Yea, it's kinda gay, but he is really a good looking guy
:-D :-D :-D
Homo.
is he serious with this statement or just full of Budweisers.....and even with the beers.....is he still serious?
Ha. What is wrong with saying a guy is good looking? Sure its pretty gay, but I can admit that another dude that I don't know is good looking without transfering over to the fag tribe. Right?
igy what the hell is the lirr? how the hell can i get there from somewhere in philly or trenton? I'm not parking in NY then subwaying to the game, we were gonna park at Trenton, train to Penn Station then subway to Shea. But with NJ Transit not running, we had to drive.
There were a fair amount of Phillies fans there, not enough to make a difference, but a nice amount.
Oh, and on the drive home, I saw about 500 homos walking around the city. And some European douche with a ponytail. God damnit I hate that city.
Quote from: MDS on May 25, 2006, 10:44:50 PMOh, and on the drive home, I saw about 500 homos walking around the city. And some European douche with a ponytail. God damnit I hate that city.
You mean to tell me that there are gays and immigrants and people with ponytails all living in NY? Praise be Allah that none of that kind of filth lives anywhere else in the country.
Quite possibly the most ignorant post I've seen in quite some time.
igy what the hell is the lirr? how the hell can i get there from somewhere in philly or trenton? I'm not parking in NY then subwaying to the game, we were gonna park at Trenton, train to Penn Station then subway to Shea. But with NJ Transit not running, we had to drive.
oh i misunderstood you...you copuldnt even get njt from trenton...anyway even if you could get the train to penn station dont ever take the subway from there...take lirr (long island railroad)...its much easier
even driving its much easier to drive to metropark in iselin and take njt to penn station and the lirr to the stadium...if njt is of course running...nd it may have been from metropark today i dont know
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 25, 2006, 10:54:33 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 25, 2006, 10:44:50 PMOh, and on the drive home, I saw about 500 homos walking around the city. And some European douche with a ponytail. God damnit I hate that city.
You mean to tell me that there are gays and immigrants and people with ponytails all living in NY? Praise be Allah that none of that kind of filth lives anywhere else in the country.
Quite possibly the most ignorant post I've seen in quite some time.
I think MDS was trying to keep true to his manhood, covering up for the Pat Burell sexy comment.
Burrell sexy? I said he was good looking. You all know that he is, don't hide under your gay pride flags.
And when driving around Philly or whatever I don't see a billion homos. I see a thousand, not a billion. And not directly next to Euro trash. I've hated New York for as long as I can remember, and my obvious ingorance will not be clouded by the hatred.
Ok, enough of the MDS wants to have Pat Burrell's manbabies talk...
I believe that Lidle, Floyd and Madson will be the pitchers this weekend, correct?
Floyd will be going on 3 days rest.
Quote from: MDS on May 25, 2006, 10:44:50 PM
Ha. What is wrong with saying a guy is good looking? Sure its pretty gay, but I can admit that another dude that I don't know is good looking without transfering over to the fag tribe. Right?
igy what the hell is the lirr? how the hell can i get there from somewhere in philly or trenton? I'm not parking in NY then subwaying to the game, we were gonna park at Trenton, train to Penn Station then subway to Shea. But with NJ Transit not running, we had to drive.
There were a fair amount of Phillies fans there, not enough to make a difference, but a nice amount.
Oh, and on the drive home, I saw about 500 homos walking around the city. And some European douche with a ponytail. God damnit I hate that city.
If you drove through Manhattan you followed some zesty mapquest directions. How anyone can hate NYC escapes me.
nyc is one of the best places on earth...unfortunately its inhabited by the worst people on earth
Jimmy Rollins is hitting .192 (25-for-130) since April 19.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 26, 2006, 09:49:21 AM
Jimmy Rollins is hitting .192 (25-for-130) since April 19.
i can think of 191 instances where that is a good thing. nyah. :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 26, 2006, 02:23:56 AMI believe that Lidle, Floyd and Madson will be the pitchers this weekend, correct?
Yup, while the Phils face the same 3 pitchers they faced in Milwaukee...
Brewers will win 2 of 3.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 26, 2006, 09:49:21 AM
Jimmy Rollins is hitting .192 (25-for-130) since April 19.
Quote"Right now, if I hit eighth it's fine. It seems like the inning always comes to a stop when I come up," said Rollins, who, in fact, killed rallies in the first and seventh yesterday
QuoteLEADING QUESTION
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
NEW YORK - You want Bobby Abreu to lead off?
You got it.
Abreu yesterday changed his stance concerning hitting in the leadoff position. For years, as the Phillies searched for a consistent leadoff option, Abreu has resisted the suggestion. He has said his RBI potential outweighs his .412 career on-base percentage and his ability to steal bases.
There was an undercurrent of wariness throughout the organization that Abreu might underachieve in the leadoff spot if it was forced upon him.
That was then.
"If they need it, I'll do it," Abreu said yesterday in the bowels of Shea Stadium.
He was by himself, away from teammates who might overhear. About 3 ? hours earlier he had hit a two-run homer from the No. 3 hole in a 5-3 win over the Mets. He has spent most of his 10-year career hitting third. He didn't care.
The team had lost seven of nine games. He was sick of losing.
"Anything that's better for the team. Anything to win games," Abreu said.
Why the change?
In Abreu's eyes, until this season the Phillies lacked enough RBI production to take his bat out of the middle of the lineup. He has averaged just over 100 RBI the last five seasons. His bat made him an All-Star the past two seasons.
However, with Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Pat Burrell and Aaron Rowand lined up behind him, Abreu considers the Phillies potent enough now.
"It's different," he said. "Now, we've got guys who can drive in runs."
This news shouldn't surprise his bosses.
In a radio interview Wednesday, general manager Pat Gillick left this impression: Phillies manager Charlie Manuel had approached Abreu about moving from the No. 3 hole, and Abreu was amenable to the notion.
Manuel has not approached Abreu, the manager said.
"Nobody's talked to Bobby," Manuel said.
Gillick yesterday further clarified that he was expressing his own opinion that Abreu willingly would make the move if asked because Gillick believes Abreu to be a team player.
It appears Gillick is right.
good for Bobby. it should start immediately.
Abreu
Rowand ( i know he's not back until tomorrow)
Utely
Burrell
Howard
Rollins
Bell
whatever disaster is behind the plate
pitcher
look how nicely that sets up for righty/lefty matchups. and it puts Utely in the #3 where he really should be.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 26, 2006, 04:30:18 PM
good for Bobby. it should start immediately.
Abreu
Rowand ( i know he's not back until tomorrow)
Utely
Burrell
Howard
Rollins
Bell
whatever disaster is behind the plate
pitcher
look how nicely that sets up for righty/lefty matchups. and it puts Utely in the #3 where he really should be.
My guess is that it will start after the Milwaukee/Nats homestand. Gillick said yesterday that they want to give Jimmy one more shot and I would think that means he has these 6 games to get it right and get his confidence back. If he fails, then Bobby is the guy when they start the west coast trip.
Or they could just say farg it and stick Bobby there starting tomorrow night.
The only thing I wonder about with that line-up is if it will affect Utley at all. He was hitting in the low .200's when he was in the 4th/5th spot. When he got that #2 spot he lit himself on fire.
i think maybe he tried too hard to be a power hitter when he was in the #4 and #5, #3 is more suited for a hitter, not a slugger, which Chase is.
Bobby will be on DNL tonight
but he won't be on the for the leadoff segment, he refused
1. Victorino
2. Utley
3. Abreu
4. Burrell
5. Howard
6. Rollins
7. Bell
8. Ruiz
9. Lidle
Victorino leads off. Same lineup as yesterday.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 26, 2006, 05:04:33 PM
but he won't be on the for the leadoff segment, he refused
:-D
Ruiz has been awful at the plate, i was hoping he could be the catcher of the future, but so far, nope.
Ruiz and Fasano are so bad at the plate. It almost makes me want Lieberthal back for the fact that he was hitting the ball when he was here this year. :paranoid
i know...doens't it kinda make you sick to say that?
Yeah, he has been overmatched at the plate.
Did anyone catch what Hayes just said about Utley groaning a little bit? What was that all about? What would Utley be pissed about?
Hayes; "Everytime I have asked Bobby Abreu about leading off in the past 5 years he has said that he would do it if they asked him but he thought he was better suited for the 3 hole because he is an RBI guy and they haven't had any RBI guys".
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 26, 2006, 05:13:31 PM
i know...doens't it kinda make you sick to say that?
Very
And Phreak, Hayes is a dipshtein, ignore him. His "facts" are as factual as Eckel's.
im still at work, i'm not watching tv farger
when marcus hayes is on television, my tv screen gets greasy, it's an incredible phenomenon
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 26, 2006, 05:15:42 PM
when marcus hayes is on television, my tv screen gets greasy, it's an incredible phenomenon
he's disgusting. The only thing worse than Hayes doing baseball is Bowen doing football and not hockey.
The Daily News is a disgrace like that.
I hate Marcus Hayes. And they have Mike Sielski on too. A double dose of dooshbags.
And the thing about Utley was that a reporter asked Utley if he would lead-off and he groaned about it.
So, does Utley come under fire like Bobby has now?
Just curious.
i can't hear you, i'm walking out the door.
Utley probably groaned at the sheer ignorance of the question.
I agree with him.
Probably. Because the media here is obsessed with this leadoff thing.
But if that was Bobby and they said that, there'd be a ton of his detractors ripping him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 26, 2006, 05:22:17 PM
Probably. Because the media here is obsessed with this leadoff thing.
But if that was Bobby and they said that, there'd be a ton of his detractors ripping him.
Of course there would be. The reason Utley groaned has not been established yet and the turds on DNL are not going to take shots at Utley because of how popular he is. As tough as most Philly writers act they really have no backbone.
>:(
They should've won tonight.
Once again, the offense gets a few runs and then shuts it down. Capuano was not unhittable tonight. And Rollins' baserunning error was costly.
And Koskie pushed Howard's hand off the base. He should've been safe.
Dammit!
He sorta went for the tag and in the process won the battle for the bag.
The bench sucks outside of Victorino. Dellucci...eh. Nunez is garbage. Roberson/Coste both suck, but Roberson has at least some speed. Unlike previous times, pinch running for Burrell in the 9th was absolutly the right move. They ended up not needing it, since Burrell could have scored on Howard's double, but they move had to made. Tough luck that it came down to Roberson at the end.
Still, not even offense when they needed it in the middle innings. Geary is trash. Gordon now has 2 losses outside of save situations. Kind of a running theme with closers, but you still gotta trust your best reliever in that situation.
Looks like Milwaukee has our number. To even it out, we seem to have Cincinatti's number. Now if only we can beat the Astros, things can even out.
When Coste hit that ball I originally thought it was a deep one. It sounded good off the bat. I already was reading the Daily News for tomorrow with a syrupy Coste story in it and how he saved the day in his first MLB AB after getting the shaft in the spring.
And yes, the bench does eat ass.
But Ramon Martinez is having a nice season in LA. We should get him, oh thats right. We had him and let him walk.
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- Maybe Cole Hamels shouldn't have mentioned the "pop" in his shoulder.
Then again, maybe it's a good thing he did.
Hamels told Phillies officials about the sensation he felt during a throwing session on Tuesday, and that admission that led to a 15-day stint on the disabled list with shoulder inflammation. The lefty felt much better the next day, so much better, in fact, that he felt he could've taken his regular turn in the rotation.
"It's unfortunate I had to go on the DL," Hamels said. "I could pitch [Friday], [Saturday] and the next day. It never really hurt to begin with. It just felt different. The next morning when I woke up, I was like, 'Dang, if I wouldn't have said something, I could've pitched.'
"But if I wouldn't have said something and it would've been serious, I could've been out on the mound in that game and done something bad."
That's the point. Considering Hamels' injury history, he and the organization have reason to be skittish whenever Hamels says ouch. The lefty has been limited to 51 innings over the past two seasons because of back, hand and elbow injuries, so the alarms justifiably went off.
"I've had that enough with my elbow and my back," he said. "Every time I've heard a pop, it's led to a worse-case scenario. This is best, to get that knowledge that nothing's wrong. In this game, cracks are kind of scary."
Especially with Hamels. He's been on anti-inflammatories as a precaution, and he was told not to throw for two to four days. Hamels plans to throw a bullpen session on Saturday, and expects to be activated on June 3, where he would start against the Dodgers in Los Angeles, less than two hours from his hometown of San Diego.
"It's just one of those things," Hamels said. "You could either say something or not. I'd just rather be safe."
So would the Phillies.
Quote"If they had appealed it, I would have called him out," Hallion said
This is the 3B umpire speaking. He is referring to the play where Rickie Weeks did not touch 3B on his way back to 2B. Normally the 3B is responsible for watching the runner to make sure he touches the base. But Bell was moving towards the ptchers mound to back up the throw.
Jesus Christ. That was an important run and he should've been out but no one saw him miss the base! >:(
Don't worry, Wheels saw it.
Speaking of Wheels...do you think he's cleaned Bell's spunk off his face yet? He was blowing im all night!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 26, 2006, 11:07:51 PM
And Rollins' baserunning error was costly.
Hey, give the guy credit for even being on base in the first place.
I mean... you can't blame him for being rusty in the baserunning department. He's out of practice.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 27, 2006, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 26, 2006, 11:07:51 PM
And Rollins' baserunning error was costly.
Hey, give the guy credit for even being on base in the first place.
I mean... you can't blame him for being rusty in the baserunning department. He's out of practice.
:-D
anyone wanna guess as to how much of this stuff chase utley goes through in a season?
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Manuel referred to Rollins as the only "legit" base stealer in the Phillies usual line-up yesterday and also indicated that that's the reason that Rollins will stay in the lead-off position.
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at comments like that. If he's really that out of touch, he's simply got to be shtein-canned.
Ed Wade is the 2nd choice for new GM in Kansas City. Stop laughing....
Rowand got a standing ovation when he took the field the first time and again when he went up for his first AB...
1. Ryan Franklin is an arsonist. The man sure knows how to set a goddamn fire, eh? Lock him up now!
2. This team really makes me angry.
3. Did Jimmy go 3-5 tonight? In the leadoff hole?
4. 3rd placed Phillies
5. I hope Ed Wade gets the KC job. I want to see what that bum can do in KC with no pyaroll. He couldn't do shtein here with a moderate payroll.
6. I really hate losing.
Dontrelle Willis anyone?
QuoteBy Jim Salisbury
The Philadelphia Inquirer
PHILADELPHIA — The Florida Marlins continue to tell teams that they are not going to trade lefthander Dontrelle Willis.
Not every team is buying that, though.
Count the Phillies among them.
There have been strong indications in recent days that the Phils will be players in the Willis sweepstakes if Florida decides to move him, and many baseball executives believe that will indeed happen as the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline approaches.
Last weekend, Phillies general manager Pat Gillick sent his most trusted aide, scout Don Welke, to watch Willis' start against Tampa Bay. The Phils wanted fresh reports on Willis, just in case he becomes available.
Even before Welke peeked in on him, there had been rumblings as far back as the winter meetings that the Phillies coveted Willis and were prepared to enter any bidding for his services.
That feeling has not waned in the first two months of the season. The Phillies are an imperfect team, but so is the entire National League East. Willis is a difference-making talent who could help the Phils this year and beyond.
Baseball sources say the Phillies have made their interest in Willis known to the Marlins through the back channels that crafty teams use when they're trying to gauge the market on a particular player. The Phillies aren't the only team that has been in contact with the Marlins. The Diamondbacks, Cardinals, Mets and Yankees are keeping close tabs, and the list could grow as the summer heats up and the Marlins' intentions become clearer.
Why aren't teams buying the Marlins' pronouncement that Willis isn't going anywhere? One reason is the Marlins said the same thing about Carlos Delgado, then dealt him to the Mets over the winter. Another is that Willis, despite an uncharacteristically poor showing this season, could bring a bushel of young talent in return as the Marlins take some time to rebuild. Also, Willis' salary could rise well above its current $4.35 million next year, and the Marlins, with the worst attendance in baseball, could have trouble swallowing it.
The Phillies do not have a deep farm system, but they have enough quality to get Willis if there's a deal to be made. The Marlins are looking for pitching, catching and outfield help. The Phils have excellent arms in Gavin Floyd, Scott Mathieson, Gio Gonzalez and Carlos Carrasco, to name four, that might interest the Marlins. The Phillies have some catching depth, though they are unlikely to give up Jason Jaramillo. Carlos Ruiz, a better hitter than he's shown in Philadelphia, could interest the Marlins as part of a package. As far as outfielders go, Shane Victorino's value has skyrocketed recently, though the Phils might not want to part with him when there is the possibility they could trade Pat Burrell or Bobby Abreu in the coming months or off-season.
Willis, the National League's 2003 rookie of the year, went 22-10 with a 2.63 ERA last year and finished second in Cy Young Award voting. He is not off to a good start this season, though. He has a 1-6 record and a 4.93 ERA after Saturday's loss to the Mets, but some of his poor performance could be the result of pitching for a franchise that had the life taken out of it after a winter fire sale.
Taking a run at Willis makes sense for the Phillies. He's 24. He grew up with Jimmy Rollins. He's exciting. He'd sell tickets. It might keep him away from the Mets. Best of all, he won't be a free agent until after 2009, meaning he'd look good for several seasons alongside Brett Myers and Cole Hamels.
This all could be moot. The Marlins might be true to their word and keep Willis. But if they change their plan, as a lot of baseball people think they will, the Phillies probably will be in the hunt, and there's something exciting about that.
Yes, please.
I would LOVE to have Willis here. Bona fide ace on top of the rotation. :yay
Willis
Myers
Lieber
Hamels (When healthy)
Lidle/Floyd (one in the pen or used as trade bait)
Not a snowball's chance in Florida of it happening, though.
willis will become a philly, then he will immediately require rotator cuff surgery..or be diagnosed with terminal cancer and be dead before his first start
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 28, 2006, 02:10:39 AM
1. Ryan Franklin is an arsonist. The man sure knows how to set a goddamn fire, eh? Lock him up now! Agreed. I thought he was going to be pretty good coming out of Clearwater but he's really shtein the bed.
2. This team really makes me angry. Yes, it does. No heart whatsoever.
3. Did Jimmy go 3-5 tonight? In the leadoff hole? Does the term "blind squirrel" mean anything to you? :D
4. 3rd placed Phillies Not for long. Washington's playing better. ;)
5. I hope Ed Wade gets the KC job. I want to see what that bum can do in KC with no pyaroll. He couldn't do shtein here with a moderate payroll. He won't get the job. I'd laugh if he did, though.
6. I really hate losing. Liar. You're an Eagles fan. If you didn't love losing, you'd be a taterskins/Joe Gibbs (genuflects) fan.
Caption this photo i took from the left field seats last night
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6840/outfield3ht.jpg)
Quote from: Wingspan on May 28, 2006, 09:29:55 AM
Caption this photo i took from the left field seats last night
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6840/outfield3ht.jpg)
"One Man And Two Babies"
"The Good, The Bad & The Pretty"
(Rowand)
Damn, Bobby... for a chicken, you got some pretty big ass feet.(Rowand again)
Hey Bob... there's dirt on your pant leg. How the farg did that happen?(Sesame Street Theme Playing In the Background)
One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
Burrell: ...Damn Aaron, dont look, but there's a hottie at 6 o'clock.
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6840/outfield3ht.jpg)
Aaron, how'd you get the frank above the beans?!
"Why do we suck so bad?"
Ryan Madson with a 2-run double to tie the game
at this point, Jimmy Rollins isn't even trying anymore
HR #17 from Howard puts 'em up 4-2
Yay! The Phillies didn't go 0-for-Milwaukee! :yay
:-D :'( :boom
Quote from: Wingspan on May 28, 2006, 09:29:55 AM
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6840/outfield3ht.jpg)
Rowand: "Holy shtein I hate losing!"
Abreu: "Hey Pat, look at that"
Burrell: "What the.... It's some tall, skinny Jewish kid holding up a "I THINK UR HOT" sign."
QuoteA New York Yankees scout was in town this weekend to look at the Phillies' corner outfielders, Pat Burrell and Bobby Abreu. The Phillies made Burrell and Abreu available for trades in the off-season, but they were looking for top-of-the-rotation pitching help.
Sources say the Yankees have some interest in Burrell, who could be used in the outfield and at designated hitter.
no thanks
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 29, 2006, 01:16:39 PM
QuoteA New York Yankees scout was in town this weekend to look at the Phillies' corner outfielders, Pat Burrell and Bobby Abreu. The Phillies made Burrell and Abreu available for trades in the off-season, but they were looking for top-of-the-rotation pitching help.
Sources say the Yankees have some interest in Burrell, who could be used in the outfield and at designated hitter.
no thanks
Maybe if they had someone who was worth trading for. And not 75 years of age.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 29, 2006, 02:16:54 AMBurrell: "What the.... It's some tall, skinny Jewish kid holding up a "I THINK UR HOT" sign."
Thanks, Billy Bob. But I was in the Poconos over the weekend with your type, so I coulnd't have done that. Not that I wouldn't want to....
QuoteWolf makes first extended spring start since surgery
Associated Press
CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Philadelphia Phillies left-hander Randy Wolf struck out five of seven batters Monday in his first extended spring training game since undergoing elbow surgery last summer.
Wolf faced two former major-leaguers -- first baseman Erubiel Durazo and catcher Ben Davis -- who are playing for the New York Yankees' extended spring team. Durazo struck out, and Davis got one of two singles off Wolf.
"I felt great," Wolf said. "It went a lot better than I thought it was going to go. The main thing I wanted to do was basically just go out there and throw strikes and mix my pitches a little bit. Get back into the mode of pitching, setting guys up, and I really felt like I accomplished that."
Wolf threw 19 of 26 pitches for strikes.
"Threw some good changeups," Wolf said. "Threw my curveball for strikes, fastballs for strikes where I wanted to. That's pretty much all I could ask for right now."
Wolf had ligament replacement surgery on his throwing elbow last July 1. He is scheduled to pitch in another extended spring game Saturday and could rejoin the Phillies in early July.
Good, get the hell out Gavin Floyd.
Quote from: MDS on May 29, 2006, 04:37:52 PM
Good, get the hell out Gavin Floyd.
Quotecould rejoin the Phillies in early July.
Barring any "setbacks," of course.
More than likely, Wolf will not be back in full form until next season.
He's still better than Floyd. In fact, if Madson's next start is good, I'd rather have him in the roation than Floyd. Send Floyd back to AAA and try to trade him. He could be good down the road, but we don't really have the time to let him suck every 5th day.
why? you actually think they're winning something this year? this is the perfect oppurtunity to let Gavin get his head beat in every 5th day
Lieber injured himselfs on a comeback to the mound. Strained his groin. Out of the game after two hits and a run given up. Condrey is replacing him. 2-1 Phills in the top of the third.
A strained groin can really suck for a pitcher. Leiber to the DL = teh suk.
Jesus. Condrey just made a sweet move to pick off Byrd at first. Howard has him dead to rights in a run down, and throws the farging ball into the outfield. Absolute little league farging mistake. Wasn't even looking at second and gunned the ball. Game tied when the runner scores on Howard's errant throw. Rollins makes a nice over-the-shoulder catch to end the inning.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 29, 2006, 06:22:37 PM
why? you actually think they're winning something this year? this is the perfect oppurtunity to let Gavin get his head beat in every 5th day
World. Series.
Quote from: MDS on May 29, 2006, 04:59:14 PM
He's still better than Floyd. In fact, if Madson's next start is good, I'd rather have him in the roation than Floyd. Send Floyd back to AAA and try to trade him. He could be good down the road, but we don't really have the time to let him suck every 5th day.
Not sure about that. Wolf never had an overpowering fastball- this season he may top out at the low-80s.
Wolf has been good since about 2001, when healthy. At least better than Floyd. Not sure how effective he can be anymore, let alone this season coming off the injury. But he certainly deserve a chance, and right now the guy to go should be Floyd.
Man. Ryan Howard makes up for his bungles almost every time. Three run shot to put the Phils ahead five to two. If they can get the kid's head right when he is in the field, just so he becomes an "average" first basemen, he'll be an all-star for years to come. I really think after watching him for awhile, most of the mistakes are mental ones. He just seems to lose focus or concentration. I understand he doesn't have great range, but I am talking about the plays that he should make.
Kid is a beast though. Everytime I start to get down on him, he hits a monster shot.
Condrey's night is over, I thought the guy did a pretty good job tonight. Had nice movement and control, kept the sinker and the offspeed stuff low in the zone.
Nice to see the Fightins breaking out a bit offensively.
Hopefully Lieber's groin isn't too badly hurt. Not that it probably matters much.
Hamels threw 2 innings, 15 pitches each inning, in a simulated game today. His last pitch was hit out by Lieberthal, but other than that embarassment, he's fine. He'll have a rehab start in Lakewood on Thursday....
Ryan Franklin out to try to not blow a 9-run 9th inning lead.
That has to be the first win of the season that wasn't close. Considering its Memorial Day...jeez...
First win of 6+ runs this year
Lieber on 15-day DL, Brian Sanches called up (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060529&content_id=1478261&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)
Brito will get the starting spot, but wont get called up until the day off his start (saturday). My guess is Franklin gets cut then. Quickly erase the mistake, Gillick. Even Ed Wade learned his lesson with Terry Adams by memorial day.
Wow, a whole lot of stuff going on today with the Phils.
1. Good win tonight. I am watching the replay of the game on CSN now. I really hate missing the games live, but oh well.
2. Ryan Howard's defense has to get better. That is the 2nd throw that he's airmailed into LF this year. He now has 8 errors. But goddamn that man can hit the ball! He hit his 12th opposite field HR tonight. Thats the most in the MLs and he also has hit his 12th HR of May. With a .300+ average. Even though Thome is on fire, this was a trade that worked out great for both teams.
3. I want nothing from the Yankees. Nothing.
4. LIeber going down sucks. So we get to see Eude Brito again, eh? He was throwing well in AAA except for his last start, I believe.
5. If Franklin is sent to the moon, then I would like to think that Clay Condrey can fill a big spot on the team. He has pitched well.
6. Tony Armas Jr. throws against Brett today. Myers has had little run support this year and with the way Armas is pitching, I expect another tough start for Myers. He will have to be on his game to win the 3rd in a row.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2006, 02:45:15 AM
2. Ryan Howard's defense has to get better. That is the 2nd throw that he's airmailed into LF this year. He now has 8 errors. But goddamn that man can hit the ball! He hit his 12th opposite field HR tonight. Thats the most in the MLs and he also has hit his 12th 13th HR of May. With a .300+ average. Even though Thome is on fire, this was a trade that worked out great for both teams
^-^
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2006, 02:45:15 AM
3. I want nothing from the Yankees. Nothing.
For me, it depends on who the Yankess would want, Burrel or Abreu. Abreu would obviously cost much more, and in that instance, I don't think the Yankees would have anything to offer, and therefore I'd be totally against it. I'd be curious to see what they would try to give up for Burrel though....
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on May 30, 2006, 09:36:07 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2006, 02:45:15 AM
2. Ryan Howard's defense has to get better. That is the 2nd throw that he's airmailed into LF this year. He now has 8 errors. But goddamn that man can hit the ball! He hit his 12th opposite field HR tonight. Thats the most in the MLs and he also has hit his 12th 13th HR of May. With a .300+ average. Even though Thome is on fire, this was a trade that worked out great for both teams
^-^
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2006, 02:45:15 AM
3. I want nothing from the Yankees. Nothing.
For me, it depends on who the Yankess would want, Burrel or Abreu. Abreu would obviously cost much more, and in that instance, I don't think the Yankees would have anything to offer, and therefore I'd be totally against it. I'd be curious to see what they would try to give up for Burrel though....
Can't trade Burrell.
Utley, Abreu, and Howard are all LH, so therefore, all of your power would be from the leftside, sans Burrell. Even Rowand hits much better off of righties. Without Burrell, this lineup would get massacred by lefties even more than it already does. In the late innings, all a team needs to do is bring in a left handed specialist and you'd run right through the Phillies unless they find a way to acquire a right handed bat. I don't want to get rid of Abreu, and I think he is a better player than Burrell, but you can't get rid of Pat this year.
Bellarina almost hit it out... of the infield.
Gee, Myers is pitching, and so far... 0 runs.
First results of NL All-Star voting (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060530&content_id=1479430&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
Howard = not in top 5...wtf
Utley = 2nd 2B
Rollins = 4th SS
Abreu = 6th OF
Rowand = 10th OF
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 30, 2006, 07:47:41 PM
First results of NL All-Star voting (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060530&content_id=1479430&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
Howard = not in top 5...wtf
Utley = 2nd 2B
Rollins = 4th SS
Abreu = 6th OF
Rowand = 10th OF
Howard won't (nor should he) beat Pujols- that man is the "next one." Howard should be tabbed for a back-up slot, though. Imagine him in the HR derby.
Utley should be #1 in my opinion. No way should Biggio be above him- that's just name recognition. And I love Craig Biggio.
Rollins shouldn't be in the discussion. He's having a poor season so far. I was hoping for so much more.
Abreu is borderline. He's been OK, and may nab a back-up slot, but it wouldn't be surprising if Abreu falls short. I can't really argue with anyone in the top 5, and Carlos Lee is having a good year as well. The wildcard is Barry Bonds. No, his stats this year don't warrant it, but tradition would usually dictate that he get a slot. I can't imagine LaRussa not offering him one. The wildcard would be whether he would accept it. That may be enough to shut Abreu out.
(And, of course, as I type this, BA hits a three-run bomb. :yay)
Rowand is borderline. While we all love that catch me made, his stats are OK, but not necessarily All-Star worthy. Can't see him and Abreu both on the team, and BA makes it before him.
It's popularity contest. Who cares. There isnt a soul on earth who thinks Biggio is better than Utley. One good thing is that Barroid is 8th in OF.
Quote from: MDS on May 30, 2006, 09:23:32 PM
It's popularity contest. Who cares. There isnt a soul on earth who thinks Biggio is better than Utley. One good thing is that Barroid is 8th in OF.
That's why the fan voting for the All-Star game is a sham.
Good pitching by Myers tonight. Good thing that Abreu hit one of those non-clutch homers tonight, though.
Saw the last 9 outs only. Looks like Myers pitched a great game, and they got all the offense they needed from that lazy choke artist Abreu.
On the plus side, we finally won a series and are beating a team that we should beat. I'm thinking about going tommorrow, but it might require me to get up before noon, which could be a problem.
He made one really awful pitch and Marlon Byrd of all people crushed it into the night.
Other than that, a terrific outing for Myers even though it came against a pretty awful Washington team.
Braves lost again, so the Phils jump back into 2nd place, 4 games back
1. Another solid effort by that mediocre Brett Myers. Man, when is that guy ever going to grow up and pitch like we all thought he could? Oh yeah...he has been.
2. Bobby A's blast was a long shot. He has come out of his slump nicely.
3. Jimmy Rollins, and I haven't looked at the exact numbers, looks to be coming out of his hole too since he was moved back to the leadoff spot on Saturday.
4. I do not want Howard in the HR derby. The last two Phils in the derby have shtein the bed in the second half (Thome and Abreu).
5. If Utley doesn't start over Biggio, every Phils fan should be ashamed of themselves. Go vote for Chase. Vote a lot for him. He deserves it.
6. Get the brooms out. A sweep would be big. Just have to take the momentum out West with them
let's not all suck myers dick just yet...he has a history of really bad august and septembers.
sure, he's pitching well now. but he's always shown flashes. for him to pitch like i think he could? i want to see it consistant over a season, finish with a 16-5/17-4 type record.
QuoteThe New York Daily News reports a rumored three-way trade that would send Dontrelle Willis to Philadelphia. The trade would reportedly send Pat Burrell to the Yankees, with prospects heading to the Marlins.
do it, do it, do it, do it
That would be farging sweet. Park Victorino out there in his place. All aboard the D-Train. Ya bitches.
Oh yeah......not happening.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 31, 2006, 11:36:04 AM
QuoteThe New York Daily News reports a rumored three-way trade that would send Dontrelle Willis to Philadelphia. The trade would reportedly send Pat Burrell to the Yankees, with prospects heading to the Marlins.
do it, do it, do it, do it
i'd be weary of letting go of the right handed bat. but no way would i let it stop me from doing this trade. hell, throw in lidle or leiber for good luck.
yeah...my initial reaction is to jump on it. but you are taking the only right handed bat that can get you 35+ HR and 115+ RBI out of your lineup. that being said, i think i still do it.
victorino
rollins
abreu
howard
utley
rowand
bell
loserthal
or
rollins
utley
abreu
howard
dellucci/rowand
rowand/dellucci
bell
loserthal
MOTHER FARGIN DO IT
rollins
rowand
abreu
howard
utley
victorino
bell
whatever retard is catching
whatever retard is pitching
reading some other blurbs that im too lazy to link, it is saying that these rumors are totally wrong, that willis will only get traded later on, that it will have to include cole hamels and the marlins will have to be completly blown away by the offer.
Quote from: MDS on May 31, 2006, 11:55:31 AM
reading some other blurbs that im too lazy to link, it is saying that these rumors are totally wrong, that willis will only get traded later on, that it will have to include cole hamels and the marlins will have to be completly blown away by the offer.
what if gillick just sent hamels down to actually blow the florida GM? i think that would work.
yea, thats the trick.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 31, 2006, 11:45:57 AM
yeah...my initial reaction is to jump on it. but you are taking the only right handed bat that can get you 35+ HR and 115+ RBI out of your lineup. that being said, i think i still do it.
Sure.
$10?
Quote from: SunnyCakes on May 31, 2006, 11:36:04 AM
QuoteThe New York Daily News reports a rumored three-way trade that would send Dontrelle Willis to Philadelphia. The trade would reportedly send Pat Burrell to the Yankees, with prospects heading to the Marlins.
do it, do it, do it, do it
Never gonna happen. ::)
A little reverse psychology never hurts, right?
I would think that the Yankees would rather have Willis than Burrell. Their offense will be OK once Sheffield returns, and they need pitching... BADLY.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 31, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
I would think that the Yankees would rather have Willis than Burrell. Their offense will be OK once Sheffield returns, and they need pitching... BADLY.
you are correct, sir. :yay
phillies down 3-2, bottom of the 9th with men on 3rd and 2nd with Bell up and 2 outs...
foul out to 1st...game over
David farging Bell.
:P
Nice at-bat by Patricia as well. Way to come through with two men on and only one out in the ninth, fellas.
:yay
Weekday day games are the devil.
Lies.
Weekday businessMAN's specials rule. I used to love going to the Vet, getting loaded and sitting out in centerfield and getting burned to a crisp.
Nice way to piss away an afternoon. 8)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 31, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
I would think that the Yankees would rather have Willis than Burrell. Their offense will be OK once Sheffield returns, and they need pitching... BADLY.
FWIW, Sheff is going
back on the DL.
Quote
Just as the Yankees thought Gary Sheffield was getting healthy, they find out he may be heading right back to the disabled list. Sheffield was frustrated and despondent last night as he exited Comerica Park. Wearing a heavy wrap on his left hand, Sheffield admitted that he has suffered a new injury to his already-ailing wrist and believes he could be facing another long layoff. -- New York Daily News
what f-in kills me is that it seems any other team in the league, with that kind of momentum in the bottom of the ninth, would get it done with runners in scoring position. This is year in and year out with these guys. Are they scared of the fans in philly? the media? Are they still that nervous coming to the plate? F-in suck it up and get it done...unreal.
...and Im real tired of seeing David Bell in those positons...somehow, ironically enough he is the one standing at the plate at the bottom of the ninth with 2 outs
Bell has been good in those situations this year. I'm not the biggest Bell fan, but he's been servicable, especially late in games. Today was bad, however.
for a player to hit .350 in clutch situations, he still needs to farg up 65% of the time
I said to a friend at work the other day, after the 4-2 win, that Soriano had been too quiet in this ballpark and sure enough he was the reason they won today. Well, that and the fact that no one could hit the slop that Livan was tossing up there either.
It wasn't just Bell and Patty who shtein the bed either. Victorino and Rollins had a shot to tie it up in the 7th and they both popped out with runners on 1st and 2nd and 1 out (Vic) and 2 outs (Rollins). And Jimmy hit into a 4-6-3 DP that killed a rally too.
They face a good Dodgers team now and then a good ARZ team as well. Gotta win 5/7 to be successful, IMO.
Also, I saw Gillick's clips on CSN where he said he doesn't think Willis will get dealt until right around July 31st so they can start a bidding war. And he also said that he has not thought about firing Uncle Charlie.
Oh...and another fargin thing; Can they win some one-run games?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?
Floyd sucks
He's done when Hamels comes back, unless Brito gets destroyed in his next start.
Kill Gavin Floyd.
Dont kill him, Trade him for Willis :paranoid
Floyd just doesn't seem to have the mental capability to make it in the big leagues. I might be jumping the gun, but he seems to completely lose all focus.
any of you yokels coming to any games here in dc next weekend?
im thinking of it, but not sure yet
Quote from: phattymatty on June 02, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
any of you yokels coming to any games here in dc next weekend?
Yeah, I'll be there on the 9th. Got damn good seats in that shteinhole of a stadium too. Not sure if I am going to ride the Metro or drive it in to the park from Fairfax.....
i always metro to games there because i live a block from the orange line in clarendon, but leaving on the metro is always a clusterfarg because they only have one entrance at rfk.
Ugh, the Nationals play at RFK? When they getting a new stadium. That place is a dump in a shteinhole.
(http://members.chello.at/bruno.preschern/DODGERS.jpg)
wowzers, you not only beat a bonafide aaa pitcher, but your idiot fans were booing your own team for winning the game because eric gagne didnt get in.
It's not my fault your teams sucks so bad they have to put in a bonafide aaa pitcher to start for them. We boo who we want sucko. farg the phils.
Quote from: MDS on June 02, 2006, 02:25:29 PM
wowzers, you not only beat a bonafide aaa pitcher, but your idiot fans were booing your own team for winning the game because eric gagne didnt get in.
picking on a fanbases choice of boo targets is not really something philly fans should be bashing others over.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 02, 2006, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 02, 2006, 02:25:29 PM
wowzers, you not only beat a bonafide aaa pitcher, but your idiot fans were booing your own team for winning the game because eric gagne didnt get in.
picking on a fanbases choice of boo targets is not really something philly fans should be bashing others over.
:-D
cuz we totally booed Santa Claus 80 years ago!
By the way, since when was booing a bad thing? I do it all the time at the games.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 02, 2006, 02:33:20 PM
cuz we totally booed Santa Claus 80 years ago!
nah...santa deserved it, the shteinhead.
i'm talking about, opening day...1st at-bat...and boos raining down.
oh yeah...that too
Phils demote Gavin Floyd after another disappointing startBy Todd Zolecki
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
LOS ANGELES -- The Phillies this morning optioned righthander Gavin Floyd to triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
Manager Charlie Manuel indicated the team might make a decision about Floyd after he lasted just four innings in last night's 7-2 loss to the Los Angeles Dodgers at Dodger Stadium. Floyd allowed seven hits, seven runs, four walks, and three home runs.
He is 4-3 with a 7.29 ERA this season, the highest ERA in the National League and second only to Minnesota Twins righthander Carlos Silva, who has a 7.81 ERA.
Floyd has an 11.09 ERA in his last four starts. He hasn't lasted six innings in his last five starts. He has just three quality starts out of 11.
Before Jon Lieber went on the disabled list Monday, it appeared Floyd might have needed last night's start to keep his job anyway. The Phillies had lefthander Cole Hamels make his rehab start last night in single-A Lakewood, and that wasn't a coincidence.
The Phillies have officially recalled lefthander Eude Brito to take Floyd's place. Brito is scheduled to pitch tomorrow afternoon in place of Lieber.
Hamels will take Floyd's spot in the rotation Tuesday in Arizona.
good
1. ill make fun of whatever fan base i want, especially hosers out in LA who arrive in the 3rd and leave in the 7th. and also boo when their team wins the game, as bad as philly fans can get, i dont think weve ever reached that low.
2. tough roster move coming up when hamels gets activated. right now the pen looks like this: gordon, rhodes, cormier, fultz, sanches, geary, franklin, condrey. the first 4 are safe. condrey has been terrific since hes been here. sanchez was great in scranton, and pitched well yesterday. geary has been a 7th man, good sometimes, really bad at others. franklin, as we know, sucks ass. but, he has no option and would have to be released. my guess is geary gets sent down, considering franklin has to get paid and has no option. one good thing is that manuel appears to not trust franklin anymore, and he cant really farg things up anymore. he can be a long man out the pen, but without floyd and his glorious 4 inning stints, how often will that be needed?
Quote from: MDS on June 02, 2006, 02:52:24 PM
1. ill make fun of whatever fan base i want, especially hosers out in LA who arrive in the 3rd and leave in the 7th. and also boo when their team wins the game, as bad as philly fans can get, i dont think weve ever reached that low.
1. You are Canadian for saying 'Hosers'. If you are Canadian, you are automatically French. You sir, are a cowardly Hoyda for being french.
2. Bitching about 3rd inning and leaving in the 7th? Originality points-0
3. Bitching about Dodgers fans booing? There should be an appreciation there.
4. MDS, you are now the board's new "NB".
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 02, 2006, 02:40:04 PM
He is 4-3 with a 7.29 ERA this season, the highest ERA in the National League and second only to Minnesota Twins righthander Carlos Silva, who has a 7.81 ERA.
The Phillies farm system is gud.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on June 02, 2006, 01:09:54 PM
Ugh, the Nationals play at RFK? When they getting a new stadium. That place is a dump in a shteinhole.
Yeah, they play at RFK. They just made an agreement on the new park, should be done in '09 I think.....
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 02, 2006, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 02, 2006, 02:40:04 PM
He is 4-3 with a 7.29 ERA this season, the highest ERA in the National League and second only to Minnesota Twins righthander Carlos Silva, who has a 7.81 ERA.
The Phillies farm system is gud.
it's actually getting a
little better. howard, utley, hamels, victorino being examples.
victorino doesn't count
Rollins and Burrell should be added in there.
It sucks that Floyd couldn't hack it. We can only hope that he'll go to SWB and get his head on right and get his mechanics straightened out. Probability? Slim.
MDS,
Geary is out of options now too, I believe. They burned his last one when he was sent down for 27 minutes a couple of weeks ago.
I'd cut Franklin's ass.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2006, 04:46:08 PM
Rollins and Burrell should be added in there.
Rollins is average. Burrell has been a disappointment compared to where he was drafted.
Rollins is better than average. He's great defensively and he's above average at the plate. If he was a 6th-8th hitter constantly he'd be viewed in a better light by most, IMO. But because he's miscast as a leadoff guy he is looked at by some as a disappointment.
Burrell is what he is. He's a good power hitter and an average OF with a good arm.
Speaking of Burrell...he's been unclutch this year. His RISP numbers are atrocious
.249 is not average.
No, but he is a career .273 hitter. That, my friend, is average. Where he goes into the above average stage is that he gives you 35+ doubles, 10+ triples and 10+ HR's. LIke I said...if he wasn't miscast as a leadoff hitter and was in the 6th-8th hole he'd be viewed better.
Geary is out of options? Hmmm. Whatever, Franklin should be it.
BTW, Lieber is out until mid-july. Not 3 weeks. More Eude Brito fun.
Maybe FF will put Brito back as his avatar with the catchy "You say Eude, I say Brito" tagline!
We can always make Franklin a starter!
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 02, 2006, 04:31:14 PM
victorino doesn't count
the phils didnt draft him...but then did bring him in in order to help the farm system. so he counts, but he isnt home grown...they had so many bad drafts that it would be hard to home grow very many players of stature
Quote from: Wingspan on June 02, 2006, 07:11:47 PM
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 02, 2006, 04:31:14 PM
victorino doesn't count
the phils didnt draft him...but then did bring him in in order to help the farm system. so he counts, but he isnt home grown...they had so many bad drafts that it would be hard to home grow very many players of stature
I don't know if he "counts," as he had five-plus seasons kicking around the Dodgers and (for a short while) the Padres organizations, as he was a Rule V draft of the Padres two seasons before the Phils. The Padres decided to send him back to the Dodgers, who never did call him up for major league service, or put him on the 40-man roster.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 02, 2006, 07:11:47 PM
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 02, 2006, 04:31:14 PM
victorino doesn't count
the phils didnt draft him...but then did bring him in in order to help the farm system. so he counts, but he isnt home grown...they had so many bad drafts that it would be hard to home grow very many players of stature
home grown means drafted...not acquired due to rule 5, especially if he spent one year in their system.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2006, 05:51:05 PM
Maybe FF will put Brito back as his avatar with the catchy "You say Eude, I say Brito" tagline!
That was originally an IGY line. I just took it to the next level.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 02, 2006, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2006, 05:51:05 PM
Maybe FF will put Brito back as his avatar with the catchy "You say Eude, I say Brito" tagline!
That was originally an IGY line. I just took it to the next level.
Speaking of IGY, where has His Whiteness been lately?
He's been called up to pitch for the Phils.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 02, 2006, 08:28:29 PM
He's been called up to pitch for the Phils.
Somebody tell him to put one in No-mah's ear.
Would be better to hit 'im in the wrist.
I say Chase, you say Utley
theyll find a way to blow it
Ryan Howard knocks one out of the box. Number 19. :yay Bums lead it, 3-0.
Madson just gave his first hit of the night, in the fourth, to.....Kenny Lofton.
Lofton attempts a steal to second and gets nailed. :yay
shtein.....Madson has walked two in a row.... :paranoid
Aybar doubles to left-center.
No-mah and Guzman score. 3-3 Bums with one out in the fourth. :boom
Rowand just made the Top Ten/Web Gems again.
:o
What an amazing catch. Rowand is astouding. Never ceases to wow me.
Christ.
It's GF, that Cowgirls fan, and me on the entire board.
I have the thread pretty much to myself. I'm gonna stick my meatcicle in the mashed potatoes......
Watching Garciaparra getting ready to hit angers me greatly. Dude looks like an obsessive compulsive nutcase.
There is zero doubt in my mind that he likes it when Mia straps one on and gives him the business.
Nomah's little routine he does before each time he steps in the box is annoying. He deserves a good four seamer in the earhole for that because it irritates me.
Anyways, good win tonight.
Madson started off so well tonight and then imploded.
Anyone notice that all of his problems were when he was pitching out of the stretch? There was a lot of stuff these last few days about how him and Dubee lowered his hand placement while in the stretch from his chest to his waist. But tonight he was all over the place when runners were on.
The Dodgers have some nice young talent. Ethier, Kemp, Aybar and that 3B all look good. And they still have a bunch of good prospects in their farm system. Andy LaRoche is a top 3B prospect.
Eude Brito goes this afternoon. Let's hope he throws well. We need it.
Kemp has a cannon arm in right. Wheels told us this nugget of info about 300 times tonight.
Quote from: MDS on June 03, 2006, 02:32:50 AM
Kemp has a cannon arm in right. Wheels told us this nugget of info about 300 times tonight.
He's probably one of Shawn Kemp's 532 kids.
I read on the Phils MB that Kevin Kennedy insinuated on the Dodgers pre-game show that the ChiSox were looking to get Rowand back in return for John Garland.
I call bullshtein.
Kennedy is that fat slob on the Fox Saturday pregame shows. He probably has less contacts than Glen Macnow.
One good thing to see is that Ryan Franklin is offically in the dog house. It took...about 2 months, but he no longer will be used in meaningful spots. Looks like Cormier is the new 7th inning guy. Still would like to a have better rh set up man than Geary, though.
Yeah, it is nice to see Franklin not called upon. I would trust Condrey and Sanches before him.
And I think Kevin Kennedy is bangin Jeannie Zelasko. She is rumored to be taking James Brown's spot on the Fox pregame show, BTW. Well, one of the rumored people to be in the running.
Maybe Pat Gillick can find a solid RHP to trade for.
The only time I wanted to bang her was around her pregnancy, when her cans were farging huge. Theres no way Kennedy is tapping that. No way.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2006, 02:30:48 AM
Madson started off so well tonight and then imploded.
Anyone notice that all of his problems were when he was pitching out of the stretch? There was a lot of stuff these last few days about how him and Dubee lowered his hand placement while in the stretch from his chest to his waist. But tonight he was all over the place when runners were on.
I watched that in disbelief. He was actually owning their line-up for 3.75 innings. He looked great, and I was thinking, "Okay, maybe this kid is starting to get it down now", and then all at once, he went in the can. It's rare to see a guy go from so strong and controlled, to sloppy that quick. He made a mistake or two in his delivery, and then the mental part got to him I think.
Manuel and Dubee basically said yesterday that Floyd is a vadge and needs to not be a vadge before he comes back to the main club...
farging game is blacked out. I can't watch or listen to it at all. farging corksucking Fox. I hate this bullshtein. Willing to pay to watch my team play, and still can't. What a zesty farging day.
I'm so farging pissed about not being able to see/listen to the game that I just sent a nasty-gram to FOX and my cable provider. Below is what I sent to FOX, I sent something similar to the cable company. While I am screwed with FOX, I just told my cable company that I am ditching them in favor of Verizon/Direct TV. Cable company probably can't do dick about what FOX blacks out and what it doesn't, but maybe if they lose a few bucks they'll bitch too. farging fargers.
QuoteWhy is that in the Baltimore/Washington D.C. area I am unable to watch the MLB games on FOX (which are blacked out everywhere else, including MLB.com, thanks to FOX), such as the Phillies vs. Dodgers this Saturday (June 3, 2006)? M*A*S*H or Stargate Atlantis are what the cable provider/FOX has replaced it with? What a joke. Does anyone watch that? Regardless, I will make an effort to avoid your programing in the future until you enable fans of baseball and other sports to view their favorite teams when they are playing the game. Does it make any sense to blackout the games everywhere else (other stations and/or internet access), but then not broadcast them on any of your channels? Hopefully, there are plenty more customers who feel the same as I do, and they will also avoid your stations in the future. I will make every attempt to ensure that anyone I associate with knows this is how FOX treats their customers, and will urge them to treat future FOX broadcasts and products the same as I.
is all the sand out of your vagina yet?
You're part of the 94% of America that didn't get the game. You didn't miss anything. Brito sucks too...
Brito rules. Go Phils.
P.S. The Phils haven't been shut out all season. Wow.
Brito wasn't so Britolicious today.
I didn't watch the game. I listened to it on the radio while working on the house outside. And getting drunk.
What a zesty game. Outside of Myers, this rotation eat ass.
6-4 win over LA. Split the series 2-2. Myers quality again, walks and his lazy ass not covering first were what cost him the win.
On to Arizona and 8-0 Brandon Webb. The magical Cory Lidle will surely deal him his first L.
4.5 games behind the Mets and 1.5 ahead of Atlanta. The Mets now have the LAD/ARZ west coast trip this week...
MON = Lidle vs Webb
TUE = Hamels vs Juan Cruz
WED (day) = Madson vs Russ Ortiz (first game back from DL)
Quote from: MDS on June 04, 2006, 07:01:12 PM
6-4 win over LA. Split the series 2-2. Myers quality again, walks and his lazy ass not covering first were what cost him the win.
On to Arizona and 8-0 Brandon Webb. The magical Cory Lidle will surely deal him his first L.
I'm going on pure memory here, which can be a dangerous thing, but the Dodgers feed (God bless Vin Scully) had a graphic that said that this was Myers' 15th straight start giving up 3ER or less. The guy is becoming a pitcher.
Former MLB Umpire (and Philadelphian) Eric Gregg suffers massive stroke.
QuoteUpdated: June 4, 2006, 9:40 PM ET
Former umpire Eric Gregg suffers massive stroke
Former major league umpire Eric Gregg, known for his wide strike zone and well-documented weight problems, suffered a massive stroke Sunday, his son Kevin told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. Gregg is hospitalized at Lankenau Hospital in Philadelphia.
Gregg, whose battle with weight problems became quite public, was one of baseball's most recognizable umpires.
Gregg's outlook, according to his son, does not look promising, regardless of whether he survives.
Gregg, 55, was one of 22 umpires who lost their jobs in 1999 as a result of a failed labor strategy. In an attempt to gain bargaining leverage, the umpires submitted their resignations to the league. Surprisingly, the league accepted the resignations.
In 2001, a judge ordered baseball to rehire nine of the 22 umpires, but Gregg was not one of them.
Three years before losing his job, Gregg was given a leave of absence to begin a weight-loss program. Gregg's decision, through consultation with the National League, came one week after umpire John McSherry collapsed in a game in Cincinnati on Opening Day 1996 and died.
When he took leave, Gregg was listed by the league at 325 pounds. The only umpire at the time heavier than Gregg was the 51-year-old McSherry, who weighed 380 pounds when he died of heart disease.
"In light of recent events," Gregg said then, "I feel this is the right time to take a serious look at my weight and conditioning. My goal is to be a major league umpire for many years to come, and to accomplish that I need to take a closer look at my overall health."
At one point in the late 1980s, Gregg lost 53 pounds after the league office ordered its heavier umpires to drop weight.
Gregg was a National League umpire from 1976-99.
:-[
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 04, 2006, 09:51:52 PM
Former MLB Umpire (and Philadelphian) Eric Gregg suffers massive stroke.
QuoteUpdated: June 4, 2006, 9:40 PM ET
Former umpire Eric Gregg suffers massive stroke
Former major league umpire Eric Gregg, known for his wide strike zone and well-documented weight problems, suffered a massive stroke Sunday, his son Kevin told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. Gregg is hospitalized at Lankenau Hospital in Philadelphia.
Gregg, whose battle with weight problems became quite public, was one of baseball's most recognizable umpires.
Gregg's outlook, according to his son, does not look promising, regardless of whether he survives.
Gregg, 55, was one of 22 umpires who lost their jobs in 1999 as a result of a failed labor strategy. In an attempt to gain bargaining leverage, the umpires submitted their resignations to the league. Surprisingly, the league accepted the resignations.
In 2001, a judge ordered baseball to rehire nine of the 22 umpires, but Gregg was not one of them.
Three years before losing his job, Gregg was given a leave of absence to begin a weight-loss program. Gregg's decision, through consultation with the National League, came one week after umpire John McSherry collapsed in a game in Cincinnati on Opening Day 1996 and died.
When he took leave, Gregg was listed by the league at 325 pounds. The only umpire at the time heavier than Gregg was the 51-year-old McSherry, who weighed 380 pounds when he died of heart disease.
"In light of recent events," Gregg said then, "I feel this is the right time to take a serious look at my weight and conditioning. My goal is to be a major league umpire for many years to come, and to accomplish that I need to take a closer look at my overall health."
At one point in the late 1980s, Gregg lost 53 pounds after the league office ordered its heavier umpires to drop weight.
Gregg was a National League umpire from 1976-99.
:-[
Holy crap, that is so sad. He's ALWAYS been a staple at the stadium. :'( :'( :'( Always so so so nice when you'd get your crab fries.
:(
lost conciousness in the ambulance and in intensive care right now, according to CSN
:(
I enjoyed hearing him on Jolovitz's show on WIP. He used to call in every weekend.
As for the Phils, once again I enjoyed this game via the radio today. I liked how everytime LA caught up, the Phils came right back and took the lead again. I"m glad to be outta LA. That team is hitting the ball very well. Although facing the DBacks isn't much better. They're on fire too.
Webb will be tough. But at least they'll get to feast on Russ Ortiz and won't face any LH starters.
According to Wolfman on SF;
Bobby A's and Pat's agents have told the Phillies that they will only waiver the NTC to go to New York or Boston.
Pat the the Mets for Pedro.
Awe... isn't that cute?
MDS has taken to drinking heavily into the wee hours of the morning.
:yay
before i go back and scan thru the inky and daily news can someone give me a capsule of the phillies last ten days...been out of town and only had limited access to the scores...
especially injuries...lieber is apparently out?...hamels starts tuesday?...what was his specific diagnosis...who has spot pitched in place of the injured....wolf update??
whos pitched well played well sucked ass ect....
Gavin Floyd = sent down
Eude Brito = called up and embarassed on Saturday
Jon Lieber = 15 day DL with groin strain
Hammels = threw 55 pitches in rehab start on Thursday, will pitch Tuesday in Floyd's spot
Madsen = threw 3 good innings on Friday, but fell apart, stays in the rotation due to injuries
Myers = pitching very well
Lidle = Lidle
Wolf = feels good, had a rehab start, will have more, still shooting for early July
i just checked the record since i was out of town and shockingly they were exactly 5-5
does burrell still suck?
Pat hasn't done anything noteworthy in the last 10 games
Not true, Ed.
He set the girls of Los Angeles hearts aflutter all weekend.
So there's that.
Supposedly Gregg's son called WIP and said his dad was brain dead... :(
Just say NO (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14742773.htm)
That's such a shame.
55 years old is too f'ing young to die.
Supposedly Gregg's son called WIP and said his dad was brain dead
not supposedly...i was listening
said his body is basically at 100% but his brian is so blood filled it is essentially mush
it's a shame he never took care of himself, he seemed like a good person
Maybe the Patriots will sign him to play linebacker.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 05, 2006, 10:44:31 AM
Just say NO (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14742773.htm)
At least he's predictable. He'll give up 4-5 runs in 5-6 innings of work almost every time.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 05, 2006, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 05, 2006, 10:44:31 AM
Just say NO (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14742773.htm)
At least he's predictable. He'll give up 4-5 runs in 5-6 innings of work almost every time.
He's sickening. To even THINK to say he'd help the rotation is downright pathetic on so many levels.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 05, 2006, 11:46:22 AM
Maybe the Patriots will sign him to play linebacker.
ha...awesome
Could he be any worse than Floyd/Madsen? [/devil's advocate]
Well, he might, because the rotation is in really, really, really bad shape.
they should bring up Matheison or Gonzalez and just let them take their lumps up here. i mean, the results very well could be the same as if it was Madsen/Floyd/Lidle, but it at least it would be serving the future.
all i care about is hamels shoulder not falling off tommorow....he better be healthy for me to see him in DC this weekend
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 05, 2006, 11:57:27 AM
Could he be any worse than Floyd/Madsen? [/devil's advocate]
Yes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2006, 12:01:29 PM
all i care about is hamels shoulder not falling off tommorow....he better be healthy for me to see him in DC this weekend
im gonna find him and kick him in the shins just so he has to miss the Washington series
floyd needs to find a third pitch in scranton....preferably a splitter as ive not seen a fastball on a top prospect with less stuff than his
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 05, 2006, 11:57:27 AM
Could he be any worse than Floyd/Madsen? [/devil's advocate]
no.
but thats not a complement to any of them
i'd say a sinker. he needs to become a Derek Lowe type of pitcher
he needs to become a pitcher
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 05, 2006, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 05, 2006, 11:57:27 AM
Could he be any worse than Floyd/Madsen? [/devil's advocate]
Yes.
So far this season:
Ryan Madsen: 5-3, 6.04
Gavin Floyd: 4-3, 7.29
Ryan Franklin: 0-1, 5.11
Again, I say, could Franklin be worse than Floyd or Madsen have been this season? I am in no way saying that Franklin is great, good or even mediocre, but to say he couldn't be any better than 6 or 7+ runs per game is a bad, bad sign for the Phils.
That said, I say GET WILLIS! >:D
I love Franklin. He basically admitted that the sucks. Can't get on a guy who admits the truth.
he needs to become a pitcher
i disagree....hes not a myers type pitcher with great stuff but doesnt know how to pitch
he has a great curve and absolutely nothing else in terms of pitches...which is sad because his curve could be a great out pitch if set together with soemthing else
does he need a brain and/or heart transplant...perhaps...but to me thats worthless until he gets some additional pitches
maybe its time to say that he just isnt good enough to be a major league pitcher
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2006, 12:12:29 PM
maybe its time to say that he just isnt good enough to be a major league pitcher
there it is.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2006, 12:12:29 PM
he needs to become a pitcher
i disagree....
right fielder then?
right fielder then?
try the veal...
Franklin should go back on 'roids.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2006, 12:03:44 PMfloyd needs to find a third pitch in scranton....preferably a splitter as ive not seen a fastball on a top prospect with less stuff than his
Not only does he need a 3rd pitch (and better command of his 2nd pitch), but the Phillies want him to toughen up too. Manuel and Dubee basically called him out as a pssy after he was demoted...
Nothing like having your manager and pitching coach call you a bitch after you get demoted.
:-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 02, 2006, 09:17:35 AM
Floyd just doesn't seem to have the mental capability to make it in the big leagues. I might be jumping the gun, but he seems to completely lose all focus.
I agree with Dubee and Manuel...I posted this right after his last game was over.
theyve been saying that about him since last year...it came to head with the gillick training camp meeting this year
as i said im sure its a factor...but he needs to have the talent to pitch for it to matter...and right now and perhaps for good hes incapable of doing that
again he isnt brett myers of four years
Watch Lieberthal whack some litle girl and not even check to make sure she's ok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs5N9veStyc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edeadspin%2Ecom%2F)
Here's the awesome article that goes with it (http://willdo.philadelphiaweekly.com/archives/2006/06/the_phillies_ar.html)
WHEELS ON YOUTUBE!!
maybe this is why the machines take over the world in the Terminator movies
Quote from: phattymatty on June 05, 2006, 05:15:11 PM
Here's the awesome article that goes with it (http://willdo.philadelphiaweekly.com/archives/2006/06/the_phillies_ar.html)
My respect for baseball players just reach an alltime high. Of course it's still slightly below olympic platform divers, but you know, progress.
The very fate of the baseball world hinges on the amount of respect rjs has for its players.
I can't wait until Pujols tests positive. That will be my favorite day.
Utley now leading for National League 2B (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060605&content_id=1489204&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp) :yay
Quote from: rjs246 on June 05, 2006, 05:43:22 PM
I can't wait until Pujols tests positive. That will be my favorite day.
Oblique strains are a medically documented side-effect of steroid abuse. It's only a matter of time where that cheater's concerned.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 05, 2006, 05:12:47 PM
Watch Lieberthal whack some litle girl and not even check to make sure she's ok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs5N9veStyc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edeadspin%2Ecom%2F)
I don't blame Lieberthal, I blame the Dad, Mom, and Brother who ducked for cover leaving their daughter alone in the front row. Pathetic.
no doubt her parents are most likley idiots, but you don't blame a grown "man" for whacking a little girl on her head and not even asking if she's ok?
i would think most decent people would, and i'm far from being a decent person.
LA reported on WPEN 950 that Gregg has died...
Edit: ESPN link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2472025)
so lieberthal has now achieved sucking at baseball and life. good for him.
Burrell GIDP
Wheels is looking to swallow a load from Orlando Hudson
ahhh man, Burrell should of spit a wad of Red Man right in that umps face...that was a f-in
piss poor call for a strikeout
Crazy play to tie it
Burrell gone after some bullshtein calls
You gotta protect with two strikes. Especially with guys on base and two outs. Pat\'s gotta get his head outta his ass.
you cant protect with the ball practically in the dirt...though pat has been blowing, that was not his fault
That pitch was borderline but with 2 strikes you have to swing at anything close. Remember, its where the pitch crosses the plate, not where it ends up.
Can't believe we took the lead. 4-3. Hope they don't blow it.
Rhodes on to surely ruin things
Lieberthal broke his back/ass though
the infamous Phillies 8th inning......
rhodes loves trouble, then getting out of it by the skin of his ass
Bums win 4-3! Gordon = Lights out
Some great web gems tonight.
Pretty solid game. King Cole returns to the throne tommorrow.
Did Webb get the loss?
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 06, 2006, 12:39:56 AM
Did Webb get the loss?
No, Brandon Lyon did.
Fultz got the W.
Strained left hip for Lieberthal
Very nice win tonight.
Howard now has 20 bombs. And he's still only 5th in the AS balloting. Nomah is ahead of him. He should be 2nd behind Pujols.
Jimmy scoring from 2nd on Chase's iNF single was awesome. And give Chase credit for busting his ass down to 1st too.
And if Brito eats ass again, I would consider replacing him with Ryan Franklin for a start or two. And if he continues to suck? Mathieson, White or Gonzalez time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2006, 02:13:40 AM
I would consider replacing him with Ryan Franklin for a start or two.
taking those crazy pills lately?
You gotta protect with two strikes. Especially with guys on base and two outs. Pat\'s gotta get his head outta his ass.
truth
no one should EVER feel bad for pat burrell....he looks at more third strikes than anyone in baseball and is going to be punched out on anything close and he should know this
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 06, 2006, 08:13:46 AM
You gotta protect with two strikes. Especially with guys on base and two outs. Pat\'s gotta get his head outta his ass.
truth
no one should EVER feel bad for pat burrell....he looks at more third strikes than anyone in baseball and is going to be punched out on anything close and he should know this
link?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2006, 02:13:40 AM
Jimmy scoring from 2nd on Chase's iNF single was awesome. .
honestly...even though Bobby's faster, do you think he would've beaten that out like Chase?
there was possibly one of the best stanley cup games ever last night and people were watching baseball?
Yes. What is this cup of Stanley of which you speak?
really shows you the excitement everyone has huh. As long as they at it changing the whole dimension of the game--how bout shortening the season and playoffs. There is no reason hockey should go past the month of March. When it starts getting hot out...do you really want to see ice skaters? I mean....
Stanley Cup Playoffs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball
Quote from: rjs246 on June 06, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
Stanley Cup Playoffs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball
Only if you are from Boston. My ham hands are always hitting the caplock button.
any philly team>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any non philly team
Equestrian racing>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hockey
Contact sports >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mincing fairy sports.
Sports in general >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching some bullshtein 'sport' just because someone from philly is involved.
Quote from: stalker on June 06, 2006, 10:07:04 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 06, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
Stanley Cup Playoffs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball
Only if you are from Boston. My ham hands are always hitting the caplock button.
You realize that people 'from boston' disagree with me whole-heartedly on this point, right dumbass?
>>> = ghey
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 06, 2006, 10:15:01 AM
>>> = ghey
Yeah, sadly, I agree. Other than the gay spelling of gay that you used.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 06, 2006, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: stalker on June 06, 2006, 10:07:04 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 06, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
Stanley Cup Playoffs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball
Only if you are from Boston. My ham hands are always hitting the caplock button.
You realize that people \'from boston\' disagree with me whole-heartedly on this point, right dumbass?
I spend alot of time in New England on business, and hate all of those corksuckers!! And you, whether or not you like it, are one of them!!
Quote from: rjs246 on June 06, 2006, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 06, 2006, 10:15:01 AM
>>> = ghey
Yeah, sadly, I agree. Other than the gay spelling of gay that you used.
I spelled it that way so that everyone would know how unfamiliar I am with all things gay.....including the very word's spelling....
Yeah.
:paranoid
Quote from: stalker on June 06, 2006, 10:16:15 AM
I spend alot of time in New England on business, and hate all of those corksuckers!! And you, whether or not you like it, are one of them!!
Exclamation points!!!
I was being very exclamatory!!!
>>> != !!/(x)2
Where X = Time until ban
stalker...what the hell is your avatar and whats underneath it? By the way, happy birthday crackerjack
baseball draft today
phils pick 18 and 37
easily the most boring event ever. i think even the hockey draft has surpassed it in popularity.
phillies will draft some guy no ones ever heard of and we will never hear his name for another 3 seasons.
Royals have top pick in Tuesday's MLB Draft (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=An9BlIhcTro_hhVGnvV9L4kRvLYF?slug=bbdraft&prov=st&type=lgns)
QuoteThe best position player is Long Beach State infielder Evan Longoria,
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2006, 01:06:49 PM
phillies will draft some guy no ones ever heard of and we will never hear his name for another 3 seasons.
Shouldn't be too difficult here. I don't know dick about a single prospect. Couldn't care less. Maybe I should use some work time to do some research.
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2006, 01:06:49 PM
phillies will draft some guy no ones ever heard of and we will never hear his name for another 3 seasons.
and in the middle of the 3rd season, fans will start calling for the trade of whomever is starting in the majors of said prospects position....
kyle drabek a pitcher and son of doug drabek
could also be a major league shortstop
they took Doug Drabek's son, Kyle
Phils just selected Drabek. One of the best athletes in the whole draft but teams were scared off by his attitude and past drinking problems...
i think the phils selected drabek.
on another note, all you baseball geeks still take a glove to the ballpark, don't you?
the draft show says he has the best stuff and arm in the entire draft....had some off the field issues which is why he dropped...called it a steal and a tremendous pick
heres his video
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/scripts/mediaplayer/mp_tpl.jsp?w=/2006/open/draft/prospects/drabek_kyle_j_350.wmv&vid=7796&pid=gen_video&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&murl=
over/under for doug drabek references by wheels tonight: 15
over...way over, followed by, "Boy, did the Phillies and Pirates have some battles back in the day"
kid has a nice hook
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Kyle Drabek, the son of former major league pitcher Doug Drabek, is doing more than enough to make a name for himself in the game of baseball. Kyle led his Woodlands team to a 28-6 record this season, a #8 ranking in the state of Texas and a #28 ranking in Baseball America. Ranked as the top-pitching prospect in the class of 2006, Kyle put together an incredible season going 11-1-1 in 16 starts. He pitched 77 innings on his way to 155 strikeouts, a 0.82 ERA and only nine earned runs. Kyle was just as impressive at the plate where he led the team in hits (46), on base average (.576) and batting average (.479). Kyle also was second on the team in homeruns (6) and slugging percentage (.771). Kyle joins Ryan Jenkins and Aaron miller as members of the Houston Heat, who won the World Wood Bat Championships last October in Ft. Myers, FL.
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 06, 2006, 01:28:43 PM
over...way over, followed by, "Boy, did the Phillies and Pirates have some battles back in the day"
he's all class
take away the "cl" and you're right
i like that hes a drunk too
This kid will suck.
i like that hes a drunk too
it worked for Lenny
3rd pick in the draft was evaN longoria
this is the superbowl for the dorks on philliesphans. they were all celebrating when we took drabek, like they acttually knew anything outside of what some dopey scouting reports said.
ESPN.com/Baseball America article on Drabek, with video clip (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2006/news/story?id=2466618)
Keith Law from ESPN Insider ranks the top twenty prospects, and here is Drabek:
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17. Kyle Drabek, RHP, The Woodlands H.S. (The Woodlands, Texas)
On talent alone, Drabek would rank as the draft's top high school pitching prospect ... and probably its top high school hitting prospect as well, although every insider I spoke with ranked him as a pitcher. Drabek works with a five-pitch repertoire, but his selling points are the mid-90s fastball and an outstanding curve. Oddly enough for the son of a pretty good big-leaguer, Drabek is not a polished pitcher, but is more of a talented arm who'd need some development. But the knocks on Drabek are substantial, from reports calling him "spoiled" to a history of off-field incidents, including a public intoxication charge that was dismissed and a one-car accident in which he rammed his SUV into a tree. Were it not for makeup concerns that have the names Jeff Allison and Josh Hamilton on some people's lips, Drabek would probably go in the top five picks, perhaps as the top pick overall, but one scouting director with whom I spoke called Drabek "the wild card" -- no one knows where he'll go.
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2006, 01:44:34 PM
this is the superbowl for the dorks on philliesphans. they were all celebrating when we took drabek, like they acttually knew anything outside of what some dopey scouting reports said.
you think that's bad, you should see the awesome war between philliesphans and philaphans. hilarious stuff.
is he the best pick eva over there
Yeah, I don't get the whole deal with that one since I don't visit PhilaPhans.
Another note on Drabek: he denies steroid allegations but did admit that he's taken himself off his A.D.D. medication. Nice..
A spoiled brat athlete?! Preposterous!
we got the 17th ranked kid at 18?
score!!
your use of exclamation points is disturbing
chase utley clone with the 2nd pick??
why
they shouldnt take anything but pitchers until round 38
Quote from: SunnyCakes on June 06, 2006, 01:50:15 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2006, 01:44:34 PM
this is the superbowl for the dorks on philliesphans. they were all celebrating when we took drabek, like they acttually knew anything outside of what some dopey scouting reports said.
you think that's bad, you should see the awesome war between philliesphans and philaphans. hilarious stuff.
im over there and i didnt even know there was a supposed nerd message board fight.
where? philliesphans or philaphans?
philliesphans.
Phils' next pick
QuoteAndrew Carpenter, rhp
School: Long Beach State. Class: Jr.
Hometown: Vacaville, Calif.
B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-3. Wt.: 225. Birthdate: 5/18/85.
Scouting Report: Carpenter is on his third school in three seasons. He went 7-2 with four saves at Division II Chico (Calif.) State in 2004, then spent 2005 at Sacramento City College, one of the nation's top junior college programs. He went from there to Long Beach State and became the team's best starter. While teammate Jered Hughes pitches on Fridays and has more pro potential, Carpenter has a knack for pitching and throwing strikes that rivals anyone in the draft. His fastball is fringe-average at 87-89 mph (though he's touched up to 94), but pitching coach Troy Buckley has improved his mechanics, giving him more of a downward angle and more balance in his delivery. He has above-average control of all his pitches, but Carpenter throws too many, using at times a split-finger fastball as well as slider, curveball and changeup, with the splitter his out pitch. He'll need to pick one breaking ball and should settle in as a four-pitch, strike-throwing righty who profiles as a back-of-the-rotation starter.
W L ERA G SV IP H BB SO
7 2 2.69 14 0 104 88 17 85
If there's anything the Phillies need, it's back-of-the-rotation starters.
http://www.myspace.com/drabek
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 06, 2006, 04:45:06 PM
http://www.myspace.com/drabek
His theme song: "Let's Get farged Up", by Whatever.
Awsum.
His favorite list of movies:
Dukes of Hazard, Dude wheres My car, The incredibles, The Rookie, Finding Nemo, The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, Harold and Kumar go to white castle, Girl next door, Without a paddle, Meet the fockers, Grease 1, Lord of the Rings, The Fantastic Four, spiderman, EuroTrip, amercian pie, american pie 2, american wedding, johnson family vacation
bold= the movie sucked
underline= decent movie but should not be on someones "favorite"list
italic= gay
nothing= acceptable
super duper gay = going through the favorite movies of the Phillies' first round draft pick and categorizing them
Lord of the Rings is acceptable?
Compared to the rest of that list, it's really acceptable.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 06, 2006, 08:35:39 PM
Lord of the Rings is acceptable?
they were great movies. you collect baseball cards, shut up.
Wow. Ortiz is farging horrible. Burrel knocks a two run shot to put the Phils up 2-0 in the first. Howard slams one of the wall in right-center for a stand up double. Fasano gets K'd with the bases loaded to end the inning. Ortiz's night is *almost* done.
Bottom of the first, and Hamels is lights out. D'Backs announcers are slobbing his knob. :yay
9 up, 9 down. Still lights out
Fasano is just awful.
Hamels, though, is pretty much the greatest pitcher ever.
well lets see how the greatest pitcher ever handles a bit of a jam.
Did just fine. Got a little hairy, and if Rowand got that ball out faster, the guy at second was out. Hamels had a great night. Hopefully he stays healthy.....
would probably be out of it with just 1 if:
1. rowand didnt throw to the wrong base
2. manuel wasnt such a turd
Rowand was alright with his throw. I think the reason he went to Rollins was that he got it hung up in his glove, and it was still a close play at second.
Little bummed to see him taken out, but he was closing in on a hundred throws, so keeping him fresh and confident makes sense. The BP can (:paranoid) handle it from here.
good outing.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 06, 2006, 11:49:14 PM
Rowand was alright with his throw. I think the reason he went to Rollins was that he got it hung up in his glove, and it was still a close play at second.
Little bummed to see him taken out, but he was closing in on a hundred throws, so keeping him fresh and confident makes sense. The BP can (:paranoid) handle it from here.
Coming off the shoulder soreness, the Phils are not going to take any chances.
Madson isn't around to blow the game for Cole. Kid should get his first win.
Victorino finally gets an at bat in the 9th and nails a two run shot. Just absolutely murdered it, almost no arc to it at all. Ha. 10-1 Bums. :yay
Franklin in to close it.
90 pitches for Hamels, 64 of them strikes.
Only two strikeouts but he was pretty dominating last night.
Nice to see the Phillies win a laugher for a change and it's even nicer to see Burrell & Abreu carry the load instead of Utley & Howard (even though Howard had a nice night too).
PS: WTF happened to Russ Ortiz? He was lights-out in Atlanta and now he looks like total crap. :-D
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on June 06, 2006, 11:40:11 PM
well lets see how the greatest pitcher ever handles a bit of a jam.
actually i was pissed at manual for taking him out when he did...let him pitch through the inning. he needs to get out of jams completely...he needs to grow.
the guy is really good...but it's time to stop babying him.
he overall needs to slow down a little...man he works really fast, the camera kept cutting to him when he was half way through his windup. good to get his 1st win though :yay
ortiz being a last second starter last nite might have had something to do with his trouble
cant wait to see hamels sunday
Fasano actually hit a homer? Wow.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 07, 2006, 08:11:23 AM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on June 06, 2006, 11:40:11 PM
well lets see how the greatest pitcher ever handles a bit of a jam.
actually i was pissed at manual for taking him out when he did...let him pitch through the inning. he needs to get out of jams completely...he needs to grow.
the guy is really good...but it's time to stop babying him.
he overall needs to slow down a little...man he works really fast, the camera kept cutting to him when he was half way through his windup. good to get his 1st win though :yay
He wasn't being coddled...he was in his first game back from shoulder soreness.
He wasn't being coddled...he was in his first game back from shoulder soreness
its some of both
it was a good move taking him out. He was on 90+ pitches, the managers probably saw some fatigue in his technique and didnt want to take any chances. Trying to test your 2nd best (maybe your best) pitchers psyche on his 1st game back from injury is completely pointless...he'll get his chance to get out of a jam..... trust me, its the Phillies
Quote from: Wingspan on June 07, 2006, 08:11:23 AM
he overall needs to slow down a little...man he works really fast, the camera kept cutting to him when he was half way through his windup. good to get his 1st win though :yay
yeah, i agree with that. i thought the same thing during his 1st inning warmups, he was really flying through them
Apparently the D'Backs don't have anyone to pitch for them tonight. Probably calling someone up. Phils better be all that ass today. Anyone know who is pitching Friday against the Nats?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 07, 2006, 08:12:20 AM
cant wait to see hamels sunday
i'll be there friday and sunday
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 07, 2006, 09:19:32 AM
Apparently the D'Backs don't have anyone to pitch for them tonight. Probably calling someone up. Phils better be all that ass today. Anyone know who is pitching Friday against the Nats?
According to MLB.com, it's Myers vs. Tony Armas
I'm going Friday, and I'm thinking about getting tickets for Sundays game as well, just to see Hamels throw.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 07, 2006, 09:22:05 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 07, 2006, 09:19:32 AM
Apparently the D'Backs don't have anyone to pitch for them tonight. Probably calling someone up. Phils better be all that ass today. Anyone know who is pitching Friday against the Nats?
According to MLB.com, it's Myers vs. Tony Armas
Thanks. Should be a good pitching duel..... :paranoid
i was going to the whole series....but i think i may skip tomorrow as brito throws and the heavens are supposed to come down
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 07, 2006, 08:52:03 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 07, 2006, 08:11:23 AM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on June 06, 2006, 11:40:11 PM
well lets see how the greatest pitcher ever handles a bit of a jam.
actually i was pissed at manual for taking him out when he did...let him pitch through the inning. he needs to get out of jams completely...he needs to grow.
the guy is really good...but it's time to stop babying him.
he overall needs to slow down a little...man he works really fast, the camera kept cutting to him when he was half way through his windup. good to get his 1st win though :yay
He wasn't being coddled...he was in his first game back from shoulder soreness.
hamels said himself it was not sore, he was just being precautious.
there was 2 on and 2 outs in the 6th and a 5 run lead when they pulled him after the bases were loaded with 0 outs. he was under 100 pitches (90 to be exact). wheeler tried to defend the move because "easley could pop one and make it 6-4"....meanwhile easley had been 0-2 and hit 4 HR all year.
there was no reason to not let him try and get out of the inning and then call it a night.
if he gets out of the inning, he knows he can get out of a tough jam. you're grooming him to be an ace. and an ace goes 7 or 8 innings consistantly
this guy is gonna be real good. but manual is going to make him soft if he pulls him out like that all the time. what happens if he loads the bases with no outs in the 3rd inning? pitch counts are overrated.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 07, 2006, 09:24:32 AM
i was going to the whole series....but i think i may skip tomorrow as brito throws and the heavens are supposed to come down
Hey, if you are going to skip it, I'd been interested in nabbing your tickets. Let me know if you want to part with them.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 07, 2006, 09:32:37 AM
if he gets out of the inning, he knows he can get out of a tough jam. you're grooming him to be an ace. and an ace goes 7 or 8 innings consistantly
this guy is gonna be real good. but manual is going to make him soft if he pulls him out like that all the time. what happens if he loads the bases with no outs in the 3rd inning? pitch counts are overrated.
yup...there's no reason NOT to let him work out of a jamb in the 6th inning, in an early June game, up 5 runs, against a non-division team.
We all know that it doesn't matter what the pitcher SAYS he feels like. At 90 pitches and in a bit of a jam, and in his FIRST game back from the DL.....you take him out.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 07, 2006, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 07, 2006, 09:32:37 AM
if he gets out of the inning, he knows he can get out of a tough jam. you're grooming him to be an ace. and an ace goes 7 or 8 innings consistantly
this guy is gonna be real good. but manual is going to make him soft if he pulls him out like that all the time. what happens if he loads the bases with no outs in the 3rd inning? pitch counts are overrated.
yup...there's no reason NOT to let him work out of a jamb in the 6th inning, in an early June game, up 5 runs, against a non-division team.
Unless of course, they were being careful since it was his FIRST GAME BACK from the 15 day DL.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 07, 2006, 09:47:50 AM
Unless of course, they were being careful since it was his FIRST GAME BACK from the 15 day DL.
he was on the DL due to precautionary reasons, no real injury. and that arguement goes out the window when they let him pitch with the bases loaded and no outs in the same inning.
you guys should definitely go on saturday, it's chad cordero bobblehead night. you can never have too much chad cordero memorabilia.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 07, 2006, 09:47:50 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 07, 2006, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 07, 2006, 09:32:37 AM
if he gets out of the inning, he knows he can get out of a tough jam. you're grooming him to be an ace. and an ace goes 7 or 8 innings consistantly
this guy is gonna be real good. but manual is going to make him soft if he pulls him out like that all the time. what happens if he loads the bases with no outs in the 3rd inning? pitch counts are overrated.
yup...there's no reason NOT to let him work out of a jamb in the 6th inning, in an early June game, up 5 runs, against a non-division team.
Unless of course, they were being careful since it was his FIRST GAME BACK from the 15 day DL.
if he's not 100%...you dont pitch him at all. he is 100%. one more batter is all he needed to face. if anything, it builds his endurance. manual should have let him get out of the inning. it's not like there was still no outs. 2 outs with a 5 run lead and an open base is the perfect time to let him go a little further. bobby cox is a perfect example of this...he would have told the pitcher this was his jam to get out of.
no one is looking for a CG here...but he needs to get out of these things on his own. i am not blaming hamels here at all. as i have said, this kid could be one the phils
finally got right. but manual is so "by the book" its frustrating.
i defended him last season, but i've seen enough of him to know he isnt improving.
Hey, if you are going to skip it, I'd been interested in nabbing your tickets. Let me know if you want to part with them.
i dont have tickets to any game....i bought this nationals coupon book about a month ago....its an unreal deal...gives you like four free games and eight buy one get one ticket free games for 40 bucks....and you can buy as high as $35 seats...i cant recall the website but ill try to find it and post it today....its a GREAT deal
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060607/capt.a0a3051d1a8c41e98c54f708bad6036a.phillies_diamondbacks_baseball_azwp110.jpg)
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060607/capt.6451207338ec43608e8366c87330c2d7.phillies_diamondbacks_baseball_azwp101.jpg)
The Diamondbacks had to scratch Juan Cruz from today's start after he complained about a shoulder problem during long tossing in the outfield. (Sound familiar?) They were forced to call up Dustin Nippert from AAA
PhillyPhaninDC matty and anyone else interested in goin to phillies nationals games...
this link should get you to the coupon book
http://shop.thesmartcircle.com/pls/ngs/ngs_instore.show_product_listing?fn_category_id=1478&fn_product_id=7013
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 07, 2006, 10:54:34 AM
The Diamondbacks had to scratch Juan Cruz from today's start after he complained about a shoulder problem during long tossing in the outfield. (Sound familiar?) They were forced to call up Dustin Nippert from AAA
And we all know how the Phils make rookie pitchers look like Cy Young.
Plus today's a weekday day game, and Madson is starting. Not expecting a sweep, but we'll see...
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 07, 2006, 10:54:53 AM
PhillyPhaninDC matty and anyone else interested in goin to phillies nationals games...
this link should get you to the coupon book
http://shop.thesmartcircle.com/pls/ngs/ngs_instore.show_product_listing?fn_category_id=1478&fn_product_id=7013
how exactly does that work? you take the coupon to the game and get your tickets then? do you have seat numbers in advannce?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 07, 2006, 10:54:53 AM
http://shop.thesmartcircle.com/pls/ngs/ngs_instore.show_product_listing?fn_category_id=1478&fn_product_id=7013
Nooooiiiice! Just ordered it. :yay
take the ticket right to the window and exchange it for a seat...whatever is available for that game you can get (up to $35 seats)
it doesnt have to be on game day tho...you could get a ticket now for the phils games in september
nice, thats a friggen great deal. thanks.
keep in mind tho it took me like three days to get it by ordering online...so you wont have it for this series most likely
not sure if the company is based in dc where you could go in person and pick it up...id call them
like i said tho you can use it for the phils visits later in the year
no worries i already got my tickets for this series.
got them free from work for sunday.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 07, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
Nooooiiiice! Just ordered it. :yay
you got it to work? it keeps timing out on me.
matty it was doing that on me when i ordered two months ago
i ended up calling them
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Fox TV has dropped the telecast of the Phillies game at the Washington Nationals at 1:20 p.m. Saturday, so the game will not be on Fox29.
Comcast SportsNet and UPN 57 were interested but needed a time change because Fox's exclusivity window extends until 4:30 p.m.
Fox's Dan Bell said it is up to the home team to change the time. The Nationals are giving out 15,000 Chad Cordero bobblehead dolls.
Viewers here will see the Athletics-Yankees game.
the nats suck so bad they took their game off fox? ha.
Howard just hit his 21st to center, was a two run shot. Estimated distance 438. 3-0 Phils.
he farging destroyed it. to left center. the power of the bull....
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 07, 2006, 05:21:46 PM
Howard just hit his 21st to center, was a two run shot. Estimated distance 438. 3-0 Phils.
it's really only 1-0 considering that abreu scored 1 run and hit in 1 run... he has meaningless stats.
I just wanted to take this opportunity to point out that Jimmy Rollins sucks.
Madson trying his best to give back the game.
Fasano homered again? :o
Sal Fasano is dreamy
Fasano 4 for 4 at this point. HR, Double and 2 singles. last 4 hit game....1998... :-D
BOW DOWN
fat sandwhich is having a career game
Quote from: mussa on June 07, 2006, 06:50:46 PM
Fasano 4 for 4 at this point. HR, Double and 2 singles. last 4 hit game....1998... :-D
BOW DOWN
Anyone else would have legged a triple out of one of those singles. He sucks.
Harry has beyond lost it.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 07, 2006, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: mussa on June 07, 2006, 06:50:46 PM
Fasano 4 for 4 at this point. HR, Double and 2 singles. last 4 hit game....1998... :-D
BOW DOWN
Anyone else would have legged a triple out of one of those singles. He sucks.
:-D
So wait...
If FOX dropped the game and CSN or UPN cannot pick it up due to the time schedule, what the farg are we supposed to do?!?
I will actually get to see a game this weekend (off Sat-Sun-Mon) and I might not get to see it?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 08, 2006, 02:42:54 AM
If FOX dropped the game and CSN or UPN cannot pick it up due to the time schedule, what the farg are we supposed to do?!?
I'd suggest you stop bitching and use the 3 1/2 hours of your life to do something productive.
If FOX dropped the game and CSN or UPN cannot pick it up due to the time schedule, what the farg are we supposed to do?!?
I will actually get to see a game this weekend (off Sat-Sun-Mon) and I might not get to see it?
road trip
ill buy you a beer
by the way
who doesnt believe this is where the Phillies lose 3 of 4 to the nationals after taking 5 of 6 from dodgers/diamondbacks
its so easy to see coming
just adjust the standings now and get it over with
Ryan Madson worked 7 2/3 innings and allowed three runs Wednesday in a win over the Diamondbacks. The final two runs scored in the eighth, the last coming after he left the game. Mdson is now 5-1 as a starter, even though he generally hasn't pitched very well. He'll likely get better if the Phillies let him, and it appears as though the team has little alternative to sticking with him for now.
Gavin Floyd allowed one run and struck out nine in a complete game Tuesday in his first start since being sent down to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Floyd had a 7.29 ERA in 11 starts before being demoted last week. The Phillies may use him as trade bait next month.
The Phillies bullpen has a 3.19 ERA, the best in baseball.
Lefthanders are 0 for 19 against lefthander Cole Hamels.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 08, 2006, 09:03:06 AM
Gavin Floyd allowed one run and struck out nine in a complete game Tuesday in his first start since being sent down to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Floyd had a 7.29 ERA in 11 starts before being demoted last week. The Phillies may use him as trade bait next month.
hopefully a team will not realize how big of a Hoyda he is on the major league level. or one of the AAAA teams will throw away a decent prospect for him
not many players make it to the AAAA level these days.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 08, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
not many players make it to the AAAA level these days.
sure they do...the marlins, royals, and devil rays always looking for bargains
ah, i must be slow today.
The Devil Rays have some serious talent on that squad and their minor league system is filled to the brim with prospects.
What's really sad is that they play in a tomb of a stadium in the middle of nowhere and as a result they'll never draw enough fans to make enough dough to compete in the AL East. Having them there to begin with is retarded as hell anyway.
One good thing, though... if you're a Red Sox or Yankees fan in Florida, you can always see your team play there easily enough.
So you're saying people still wouldn't have shown up if the Giants had followed through with the move there 13 years ago?
BTW, for those that haven't read the Rest of Baseball thread, some of the Phillies we remember from the 80s and early 90s had their kids drafted the last 2 days.... :-\
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 08, 2006, 09:58:43 AM
The Devil Rays have some serious talent on that squad and their minor league system is filled to the brim with prospects.
I don't know who to root for when I go see the Red Barons take on the Durham Bulls in July.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 08, 2006, 11:32:05 AM
I don't know who to root for when I go see the Red Barons take on the Durham Bulls in July.
You planned a trip to a minor league game that far in advance? You need a life.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2006, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 08, 2006, 11:32:05 AM
I don't know who to root for when I go see the Red Barons take on the Durham Bulls in July.
You planned a trip to a minor league game that far in advance? You need a knife.
fixed
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 08, 2006, 10:31:52 AM
So you're saying people still wouldn't have shown up if the Giants had followed through with the move there 13 years ago?
In all honesty, Ed, I don't know. They put the ballpark in an absolutely idiotic location. It's in downtown St. Petersburg which is pretty far away from where the core of the population in the Tampa area resides. For people in Tampa, Clearwater and the other northern communities, it's at least a 1/2 hour ride to Tropicana Field. Additionally, they built the place in a really bad neighborhood too. It's not like they built it in a place that you'd go to for any other reason than to go to a baseball game.
It's the same situation that Miami finds itself in. Joe Robbie is in the middle of nowhere and for people who can afford to go to games on a routine basis, it's a hassle to get there.
The losing hasn't helped any, obviously, but when the Devil Rays first got there, attendance was pretty damn good.
Like I said, I honestly don't know. It's a catch-22 for the Devil Rays because they tried signing big money veterans to spike attendance and that didn't work. They tried building though the draft and that hasn't worked. They signed Lou Pinella and that didn't work. Nothing has worked for them and having a ballpark that is nothing more than an oversized warehouse hasn't make things any better.
I kinda like the place, myself, but that doesn't mean the ordinary baseball fan in the Tampa Bay area would.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2006, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 08, 2006, 11:32:05 AM
I don't know who to root for when I go see the Red Barons take on the Durham Bulls in July.
You planned a trip to a minor league game that far in advance? You need a life.
It's the only time this season the Barons come into town. I haven't bought tickets or decided which exact game I'm going to yet, so you can go ahead and help me out with some stellar advice on that. Thanks in advance.
it's at least a 1/2 hour ride to Tropicana Field.
:o
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 08, 2006, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 08, 2006, 10:31:52 AM
So you're saying people still wouldn't have shown up if the Giants had followed through with the move there 13 years ago?
In all honesty, Ed, I don't know. They put the ballpark in an absolutely idiotic location. It's in downtown St. Petersburg which is pretty far away from where the core of the population in the Tampa area resides. For people in Tampa, Clearwater and the other northern communities, it's at least a 1/2 hour ride to Tropicana Field. Additionally, they built the place in a really bad neighborhood too. It's not like they built it in a place that you'd go to for any other reason than to go to a baseball game.
It's the same situation that Miami finds itself in. Joe Robbie is in the middle of nowhere and for people who can afford to go to games on a routine basis, it's a hassle to get there.
The losing hasn't helped any, obviously, but when the Devil Rays first got there, attendance was pretty damn good.
Like I said, I honestly don't know. It's a catch-22 for the Devil Rays because they tried signing big money veterans to spike attendance and that didn't work. They tried building though the draft and that hasn't worked. They signed Lou Pinella and that didn't work. Nothing has worked for them and having a ballpark that is nothing more than an oversized warehouse hasn't make things any better.
I kinda like the place, myself, but that doesn't mean the ordinary baseball fan in the Tampa Bay area would.
I like the Trop for one reason, and one reason only. No chance of rainouts.
That's big in Florida during the summer.
That's a long way for senior citizens, big boy.
:-D
BTW: There is no public transportation to speak of over there. They run busses and whatnot but no subways, no trains, no nothing. And when I said 1/2 hour, that means without traffic (which there always is). It would be like going from the northern suburbs of Philly and the only way to get to South Philly would be I-95.
Rome is right on this.
From each of the directions, there's basically one way in. From the north or south, it's I-275, and going from the south, you have to cross a five-mile-long series of bridges (the Bob Graham Sunshine Skyway Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Skyway_Bridge)) that is treacherous in any of the Florida summer monsoons.
Also, the traffic from the north is just ridiculous. Worse than any I've seen, except D.C. and Atlanta and the Schuylkill. When I go to Clearwater for spring training (which is north of the stadium), it takes me a good hour from the time I get on 275 to get to Clearwater- so they would take at least 40-45 minutes. Longer during the rush hours.
Sal gets no love??? He is a man born in the wrong time. He should of been born in the dark ages. to wield a sword and wear armor. To save damsels and masterbate on the poor. Sir Sal Fasano deserves respect and respect he shalt getuth.
I masturbate on the poor now. Why do you have to have been born in the dark ages to do that? I'm confused.
Well you my Sir Rjs, are a true gentleman.
Someday Ryan Howard is going to kill somebody with a line drive. He hits that ball harder than just about anybody.
Hopefully that person is Terrell Owens.
Here is an interesting question.
If one person was going to get hit and killed by a Ryan Howard line drive, who would you rather have it be?
A. Terrel Owens
B. Reno Mahe
C. Erudite Burrito
Ryan Franklin starts next time. I'm scared.
Quote from: MDS on June 08, 2006, 08:50:21 PM
Ryan Franklin starts next time. I'm scared.
Speaking of The Arsonist, here's a blurb from today's Inky:
QuoteAll right now
The suspicious absence of righthander Ryan Franklin from the mound was explained yesterday.
Franklin had suffered from stiffness in his lower right shoulder since May 30, the day after he last pitched before he made a meaningless appearance in Tuesday night's blowout. He had recovered by Sunday, he said.
"I was getting mad at them for not using me, but they said they wanted to give it a couple more days," said Franklin.
He returned to the bullpen this season after logging three straight high-inning years as a starter with Seattle. This forced layoff, the Phillies think, is a bump in the road as Franklin reconditions himself to the rigors of bullpen work.
He said the stiffness, which he never felt before, did not affect him in any of his previous 25 appearances, in which he was an inconsistent 1-4 with a 5.11 earned run average
He was mad? Ha. What a dope.
Phillies pinch hitters are 17-for-111, according to the Nats announcers.
Soriano destroys one off of Franklin. Good god is he awful.
Quote from: MDS on June 08, 2006, 09:17:52 PM
Soriano destroys one off of Franklin. Good god is he awful.
How's that shoulder now, Ryan?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 08, 2006, 08:24:06 PM
Someday Ryan Howard is going to kill somebody with a line drive. He hits that ball harder than just about anybody.
i wonder if he could manage to kill two people with the same hit. say maybe , brito and franklin.
Wolf makes first rehab start (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-phillies-wolf&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Brito is still a better option than Franklin. Is there a point in calling up Matheison, Haigwood or Gonzalez for what will amount to 3 or 4 starts? Or re-calling Floyd for the same. They don't need the 5th starter until saturday. By the all-star break, both Wolf and Lieber should be back. I do believe Brito is the best option. If Floyd pitches well again in AAA, maybe him. But, he will have to vacate that spot once the two vets come back. Is that good for his confidence? Is it worth it?
Despite his total lack of talent, I have a feeling that Franklin will get the start on saturday. I thought his knack for blowing games cost him any chance of pitching in a meaningful role ever again, but I was wrong. Looks like we might have to suffer one more game at the hands of Franklin to get the message through to Uncle Charlie and Cousin Pat that he simply sucks ass.
How many options does Floyd have left?
Probably a bunch. He's been sent down twice in his career, once this season. I don't think they'd call him up unless the rotation goes to total shtein.
Damien Jackson's better be on his knees thanking God for that catch. :boom
The Nats have their own version of Chris Wheeler: "He just plays the game the way it's supposed to be played."
Bums lose 5-2.
Someone remind me why Dellucci's on this team again?
once again the phils make a less than ordinary pitcher look like cy young
first loss of three this series
can someone put pat burrell to sleep...PLEASE
hes easily my most hated philly athlete in a long time
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 08, 2006, 09:45:04 PM
Bums lose 5-2.
Someone remind me why Dellucci's on this team again?
cause hes better than chris roberson.
delluci has been on fire lately....you really are gonna question him like hes a problemon the team??
burrell is the cancer on this team....he has to go....i dont care if you cut him
Dellucci blows, he strikes out 1/3 of his plate appearances.
Burrell should be dropped in the order to 5 or 6, Howard is a bona fide #4.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 08, 2006, 09:52:37 PM
Dellucci blows, he strikes out 1/3 of his plate appearances.
Burrell should be dropped in the order to 5 or 6, Howard is a bona fide #4.
Don't want three lefties hitting 2-3-4. (Utley-Abreu-Howard). Have to divide them up somewhat.
Dellucci blows, he strikes out 1/3 of his plate appearances.
hes essentially a pinch hitter whos hit like .340 his last 20 games
hes a good guy off the bench...for anyone to call him out is to be reaching big time
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 08, 2006, 09:57:56 PM
Dellucci blows, he strikes out 1/3 of his plate appearances.
hes essentially a pinch hitter whos hit like .340 his last 20 games
hes a good guy off the bench...for anyone to call him out is to be reaching big time
I did, he sucks. I also missed the last 2-3 weeks of the season due to working down the shore.
I hate Sal Fasano :'(
the only phillies gear i have is a burrell jersey
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 08, 2006, 09:57:56 PM
Dellucci blows, he strikes out 1/3 of his plate appearances.
hes essentially a pinch hitter whos hit like .340 his last 20 games
hes a good guy off the bench...for anyone to call him out is to be reaching big time
In the last 20 games (since May 14), Delucci is hitting .286 (8-for-28) with 2 HR and 5 RBI. Three of those hits came in one game (May 31). Take away the four games he started in those 20, and Delucci is hitting .200 (3-for-15) as a pinch-hitter in that time (I did not check for his entering the game for "defensive purposes" and am assuming that any of his 1 AB games are as a pinch-hitter.
For the season, Delucci is hitting 8-for-32 (.250) with an OPS of .798.
He has not been that good this year.
He's better than anyone else they got. Nunez, Coste? Victorino is decent, but too much of a hacker at points. Dellucci tends to have good at bats, though most of the time it winds up being a strikeout.
IGY,
I considered coming down for Hamels' start on Sunday. But I have some shtein that I have to do around the house since this is my long weekend off.
But I am still pissed about not getting to see the game on Saturday. That's a crock of shtein. Looks like I will be out in the backyard sitting in a lounge chair drinking beer and listening to Harry on 1210.
I think they will win the next 3 though. And even if they split this series they will have gone 7-4 on the trip. Not too shabby.
Myers goes tonight.
Quote from: MDS on June 09, 2006, 02:51:12 AM
He's better than anyone else they got. Nunez, Coste? Victorino is decent, but too much of a hacker at points. Dellucci tends to have good at bats, though most of the time it winds up being a strikeout.
Delucci has been the best of a bad lot. A monumentally bad lot.
Since you asked (the following is all as a PH):
Victorino: 3-for-13 (.231), 0 HR, 0 RBI, .564 OPS (most of the Happy Hawaiian's good stats have come as a starter or defensive replacement)
Nunez: 3-for-26 (.115 :o), 0 HR, 1 RBI, .264 OPS
Gonzalez/Roberson/Conde: UGH. 2-for-17 (.118), 0 HR, 0 RBI, .235 OPS :puke
I was really hopeful, based on past performance, that this year's bench would be decent. Unfortunately, it has been one of the worst in MLB.
it may actually be more beneficial to send the actual bench up to bat.
lolol
:-D
Quote from: Wingspan on June 09, 2006, 09:30:37 AM
it may actually be more beneficial to send the actual bench up to bat.
The bench can run faster than Sal Fasano, that's for sure.
On the nats broadcast they were killing Sal. "If sal raced a pregnant woman he would come in third place" 8)
(http://www.avatarsbymas.com/images/avatars04/1104/fat-bouncer.gif)
Fasono running for the fridge as a kid
We need the PIEMAN!!
He's better than Coste.
He is better than Nunez. He can play first.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 09, 2006, 10:03:59 AM
On the nats broadcast they were killing Sal. "If sal raced a pregnant woman he would come in third place" 8)
That's quality. :-D
Howard hits the ball far.
I hate Ryan Franklin!
After the Burrell HR, they didnt have another baserunner. Sooner or later, the likes of Condry and Franklin are going to give up a run. Nice job shuttin 'er down, offense.
I believe IGY called this. Well, if they lose one more he will be right. Lose 3/4 after going 5-3 in LA/ARZ.
Myers threw poorly tonight. It was his first real bad start of the year. Its ok, everyone throws a turd up there every once in awhile.
But the real problem is that he only went 3 and the BP had to throw 9.
Lieby HAS to be placed on the DL and they have to call up a pitcher tomorrow. Hell, Gillick should've had a SWB guy on the way in the top of the 10th.
Abreu's throw was nice, but Byrd just beat it. Too bad it didn't get there a half a second sooner.
The real question is...if the Phillies and Nats play a game and there is no TV did it really happen?
What a bullshtein call by FOX and then by the Nats to not move it to a night game.
I believe IGY called this. Well, if they lose one more he will be right. Lose 3/4 after going 5-3 in LA/ARZ
well i was wrong on my ten out by june 10th...but come on phreak....even the eternal optimist that you are could see what was coming with this series
what really pisses me off is im packing up right now for my tailgate today and i have no excitement in me...losing the first two really takes the air out of the sails...no matter what ill be hyphy for king cole tomorrow but theyve ruined today for me...fargers
i didn't get there last night til about 8, and it ended up being perfect timing.
i left in the 4th inning b/c they stopped selling beer at 10.
I was at the game last night. What a dump of a stadium that place is. We were sitting in section 102, right next to Bobby in right field, straight down the first baseline. Should have been good seats. Not in that place. I have some old man from event staff talking to me the whole time about the good old days, even after I politely told him several times I was there to watch the game. The food was absolutely disgusting. The hot dogs were zesty, over cooked mincemeat, and the burgers at $8.75 looked like something an elementary school cafeteria would be ashamed to serve.
What pissed me off beyond belief was when they cut off the beer at 10:00. Furious doesn't begin to describe it. I think it was around the fourth inning, and I am supposed to sit there the rest of the game with Pepsi and peanuts? Eat my ass. The wife was getting sleepy, the Phils were sucking it up, and we had to get back to Fairfax, so we left around the sixth. farg RFK, I'll happy watch the Phils/Nats game from comfort of my home on MASN with a cold beer in my hand.
Some douche in a Nats jersey in the row in front of me had the nuts to say CBP was a poor setup, and was more about getting people to buy shtein that having them have a good experience watching the game. I called him a 'tard, to which he just stared out to center field - quiet and motionless.
There was a shteinload of Phillies fans in my section, and I think we were giving Abreu more shtein than the Nats players at times. And he deserved it. One, from my view, in the second inning when he charged in on that line drive, only to have it go for feet over his head, was painful to watch. An average high school player would have made that catch.
Finally, what is the deal with Burrell not being able to pick up or get the farging ball out his glove? Christ.
there was a shteinload of phils fans everywhere, seemed like more than nats where i was sitting.
and yes rfk is a dump but they have some deliciouys sausage sandwiches from that dominics joint. get one next time, they're awesome.
anyway, i'm going again tomorrow if any of you wanna get some beers beforehand.
Sounds like a 12-pack before the game is a necessity, matty.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2006, 10:04:11 AM
I believe IGY called this. Well, if they lose one more he will be right. Lose 3/4 after going 5-3 in LA/ARZ
well i was wrong on my ten out by june 10th...but come on phreak....even the eternal optimist that you are could see what was coming with this series
what really pisses me off is im packing up right now for my tailgate today and i have no excitement in me...losing the first two really takes the air out of the sails...no matter what ill be hyphy for king cole tomorrow but theyve ruined today for me...fargers
Hey, I'm notr ripping you. We've seen it all too often with this team. Last year when they went 12-1 and then shtein the bed in SEA and OAK. And this year after winning 13/14. And now they do it after a good start to the roadie.
Hey at least you get to see Chris Coste catch today - he just gunned a guy down.
This game isn't being televised? I can't find it anywhere.
Nope.
FOX took it off their TV line-up. And the only way Comcast or UPN could get it was if Washington moved the start time to a night game because FOX's exclusivity window goes to 1630. Washington refused to move the start time. So it is only on radio. No TV in either market.
Thanks Phreak. What a crock of shtein.
Coste lines out to start the 5th...
Lidle singles on a bunt to the pitcher
Rollins singles to RF and Lidle goes to 3rd
Utley flies out to CF and Lidle tags up and scores; Rollins goes to 2nd on the throw
Phils lead 1-0 in the top of the 5th with 2 outs
Know what would be funny and ridiculous at the same time? If Lidle throws a no hitter and it wasn't televised.
And I successfully jinxed Lidle.
Marlon Anderson doubles.
Way to go, Phreak. >:(
Sorry. :(
And now he loses the shutout too.
Byrd lines out to CF and Anderson tags and scores.
1-1
Wait to ruin it Phreak.
I forgot how I kind of like to listen to a game on the Radio every once in a while. That said, farg FOX.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 10, 2006, 02:48:45 PM
Sorry. :(
And now he loses the shutout too.
Byrd lines out to CF and Anderson tags and scores.
1-1
I have half a mind to go up there and kick your butt.
Never mind, you have a gun. I'll stay in Florida. :paranoid
:-D, Geo
Apparently Rowand just got credit for a foul ball hit. Derryl Cousins called it fair down the 3B line and got stuck in the tarp. It is a ground rule double.
Howard goes back to 3B, Rowand is at 2B now.
Rowand is now 3-3 today.
1 out
Livan is going to IBB Bell because the oh-for-his-career-Coste is in the on deck circle.
Bases will be juiced for him with 1 out. He has lined out twice today.
Big time to get his first hit.
It would be great if it was a grand slam. :paranoid
Coste grounds into a goddamn 5-4-3 DP.
goddamn bum
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 10, 2006, 02:58:54 PM
Livan is going to IBB Bell because the oh-for-his-career-Coste is in the on deck circle.
Bases will be juiced for him with 1 out. He has lined out twice today.
Big time to get his first hit.
It would be great if it was a grand slam. :paranoid
Way to farging ruin it
AGAIN Phreak. I like the play by play, but leave the Bunkley78-esque predictions at the door. ;)
2-1 Nats and Rollins killed another rally with a DP
Bums take it, 6-2.
Phreak leaves, and the Phils make a big comeback.
Coincidence? I think not... ;)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 10, 2006, 04:22:48 PM
Phreak leaves, and the Phils make a big comeback.
Coincidence? I think not... ;)
Werd. :yay
I didnt listen to the game, but it is clearly evident that Coste has no business being in the major leagues.
Couple of things, since I didn't see or hear the game (except checking up on the yahoo boxscore from time to time):
1. The Coste watch: 0-for-8.
2. Good start by Lidle: 6 IP, 2 ER. He was stellar through four, then got nicked in the 5th and 6th. Good overall effort.
3. Seems like Rollins is finally coming out of his funk a bit. He's hit in seven in a row, and nine of the last ten games. Phils need more from him to have even a shot at the division or wild card.
4. Burrell is in a streak right now where it's all-or-nothing. 6-for-37 in the last ten games (.162), and three of those six hits have been homers. Because of the homers, Burrell has nine RBI in those 10 games.
5. A PINCH HITTER FINALLY DID SOMETHING! :yay
6. Tom Gordon watch: 1.61 ERA, 2-2 with 18 saves. Billy Wagner watch: 2.40 ERA, 3-0, 12 saves. Wagner's been money lately, though.
7. Tomorrow: Cole Hamels vs. Shawn Hill. Weird trivia: What do these two pitchers have in common?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 10, 2006, 05:23:25 PM
7. Tomorrow: Cole Hamels vs. Shawn Hill. Weird trivia: What do these two pitchers have in common?
Duh, both their last names begin with the same letter. What do I win?
Announced today that the AAA team will move to Ottawa for the 2007 season, then to Allentown for 2008....
great game today
as much as i hate him burrell has to get credit for a huge hit
phils fans were swarming at the stadium...at least 1/3 of the stadium
king cole tommorow and i have off monday...ummmm its on....yup
were you the only black person there?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2006, 08:42:52 PM
great game today
as much as i hate him burrell has to get credit for a huge hit
phils fans were swarming at the stadium...at least 1/3 of the stadium
king cole tommorow and i have off monday...ummmm its on....yup
Lucky bastich. I get to attend a graduation.
Got to see when the Phils come down to Miami... Dang it, not until September. :boom
were you the only black person there?
my beer man was darker than midnight
i saw Lieberthal went back on the DL...did they bring up Ruiz?
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 11, 2006, 08:25:08 AM
i saw Lieberthal went back on the DL...did they bring up Ruiz?
No.
QuoteThe Phillies placed Lieberthal on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to June 6 with a left hip strain and recalled right-handed pitcher Brian Sanches from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
well then, that makes no sense
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 11, 2006, 08:45:02 AM
well then, that makes no sense
0-fur Coste will back up fat sandwhich
Lieberthal's DL stint goes from his last game, which was June 5. He's eligible to come off on June 21
Lieberthal better be as gone as it gets next offseason. I'd rather have Fat Sal in there the rest of the season.
1. Over/under on Hamels pitching seven innings today? I'm taking the over.
2. Over/under on Hamels throwing eights strikeouts? I'm going under.
Push.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 11, 2006, 11:44:18 AM
Lieberthal better be as gone as it gets next offseason. I\'d rather have Fat Sal in there the rest of the season.
1. Over/under on Hamels pitching seven innings today? I\'m taking the over.
2. Over/under on Hamels throwing eights strikeouts? I\'m going under.
I\'ll take both overs
He'll go 6 with 5.
Phillies starters don't go more than 6 2/3.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 11, 2006, 11:44:18 AM
Lieberthal better be as gone as it gets next offseason. I'd rather have Fat Sal in there the rest of the season.
1. Over/under on Hamels pitching seven innings today? I'm taking the over.
2. Over/under on Hamels throwing eights strikeouts? I'm going under.
1. Hamels hasn't gone more than 6.1 yet. I hope I'm wrong, but I'll say under.
2. Again, hasn't gotten more than 7 K's yet. Under.
Hamels just got Guillen for his seventh in the bottom of the fifth. He's thrown about 85 pitches so far, so he probably won't make it to the seventh inning.
*Just got his eighth against Nick Johnson.
Phils have Brian Sanches loosening up in the BP. :paranoid
Sanches in for the sixth.
Hamels:
5 IP, 6 hits, 4 earned runs, 2 walks, and 8 stikeouts.
Usually you're not going to see 4 earned runs in 5 innings when the pitcher k's 8. That's what the Phillies do though. They defy logic like it's nobody else's business.
Could have been less if Burrell didnt suck ass in left.
just got back from the train wreck
the one thing i took out of this series more than anything else is the imcompetancy of charlie manuel and the utter lack of professionalism on the phils...
the nationals have half the talent the phils have but they have an absolutely great manager...so they do things the right way...poking breaking balls to the opposite field with half swings on 0-2 counts...moving the runners ahead...taking an extra base on the paths...making all the right plays int he field ect...whereas the phils do just abiut everything the wrong way
the difference can be seen in one simple comparison...soriano absolutely refused to play outfield at the start of the year and robinson basically said you will play outfield or youll go back to picking coffee beans in the dominican republic...whereas charlie manuel couldnt get god to convince bobby abreu to bat lead off
i guess it doesnt matter now as the phils werent going to win anything this year anyway....but i am personally counting the days until next year when they have a real manager
The Nationals are one of the hottest teams in the majors right now....
Abreu said he would hit lead off. Charlie likes him 3rd.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 11, 2006, 04:28:24 PM
...whereas charlie manuel couldnt get god to convince bobby abreu to bat lead off
abreu said a couple of weeks ago that he would lead off if he was asked to.
i went today too.
if it wasn't for the free food afterwards at the picnic at the park thing it would have been a total waste of a day.
Abreu said he would hit lead off. Charlie likes him 3rd
you are a straight sucka if you believe that
abreu might bat leadoff for a few games but if you think hed ever become a fulltime leadoff hitter youre nuts...of course tho hes gonna say the right thing so people like you can be oooooh he said hed bat leadoff...what a great guy
abreu has made it clear for the last 6 years that hes not gonna be a leadoff hitter period...and the organization has let him dictate that
Abreu never said he wouldnt lead off. He said that he would prefer to bat 345. He did hit leadoff a few years ago for a seriesm without much success. If his name is at the top of the card tuesday, he will go out and play. He won't be that happy, neither would anyone who has had the type of success that he has had in the middle of the order, but he'll still go out and do what he can to help the team win.
Soriano didnt want to play left, and in fact refused to take the field at one point. When it was brought to his attention that he can either go play left or not get paid, he went to play left. Abreu isnt going to boycott playing if hes not 345, he just prefers and feels most comfortable there. In fact, hes right to think that way. However, if the Phillies can get one more consistant offensive performer (Rollins, Bell and Rowand are not...they are all 7/8 guys) to hit 6th, I would be pleased with Abreu batting 1st. But he means too much to the middle of the order and overall offensive producation from the team. It also marganilizes his skills and limits his abilities to help the team (mainly his over .300 average with risp) win.
Guess what?
Batting Bobby Abreu leadoff isnt a goddamn magic pill that will cure the big problems that this offense has. Having him in the one hole will not make them a more consistent team. It will not help Pat Burrell lay off the slider in the dirt. It will not help David Bell from popping out to every INF on the diamond. It will not help them hit better with RISP.
Until they get more consistent and strike out less as a team the lead off problem is not a big problem.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about Bobby "refusing" to bat leadoff. THIS TEAM IS INCONSISTENT!
Douchebag John Clark thinks Eude is starting on Wednesday.
That guy is seriously the biggest tool in the city.
No way. But he's in the top 5 though.
Brandon Duckworth was traded from the Pirates to the Royals. Remember when he used to be on the Myers/Byrd/Floyd level of prospects?
2001 wild card run starting rotation:
robert person
brandon duckworth
randy wolf
omar daal
nelson figeroa/david coggin
:yay
80s prospect Ron Jones died last week (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14796440.htm) :(
How does a 42 year-old man die of natural causes?
Also - does anyone else remember Jones running into the wall at Shea & obliterating his knee as a result? I can still remember listening to Harry say "oh, no... oh, no..." over and over again.
:-[
He made it back and blew out the other knee on the Vet turf the following year. A couple ABs after that and he was finished...
I remember that poor kid being snakebit.
At 42, I'm guessing that "natural causes" is a heart attack or something like that. Way too young to die. And if he died last week, he was only 41, as Baseball-Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesro02.shtml) lists him as turning 42 yesterday.
Rest in peace, Ron.
Remember this? - Bonds charges Botallico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RFKyZZrmX8)
See the likes of Mike Welch, Bobby Estallela and Mark Lewis in the red stripes.
Speaking of Mike Welch. I saw him pitch when Randy Johnson made his home debut as an Astro. The Phils lost 9-0 and Jon Zuber was the starting 1B that day. :-D
look how thin Bonds was in that video
Alex Arias :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 11, 2006, 10:36:38 PM
Guess what?
Batting Bobby Abreu leadoff isnt a goddamn magic pill that will cure the big problems that this offense has. Having him in the one hole will not make them a more consistent team. It will not help Pat Burrell lay off the slider in the dirt. It will not help David Bell from popping out to every INF on the diamond. It will not help them hit better with RISP.
Until they get more consistent and strike out less as a team the lead off problem is not a big problem.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about Bobby "refusing" to bat leadoff. THIS TEAM IS INCONSISTENT!
Phreak - remember when I suggested CF day at a Phillies game? I changed my mind, they are just too painful to watch right now...although a good day at tailgating can cure most of that.
I'll get piss drunk and throw eggs at the Phillies cars as they arrive at the stadium! :D
Good God. ::)
Whoever would throw eggs at a bus or car...
eh...
nevermind.
>:D
the reason the Phillies are what they are and will always be...
QuoteThe Phillies are last in the National League in hitting with runners in scoring position @ .237
Phillies starters have the highest ERA in the league @ 5.27.
burrell went down looking again sunday...hes gotta set some kind of record for that this year...call elias...overall the team had four looking strikeouts on sunday...four in one game!!...their hitting is absolutely atrocious
in the four game series with the nationals they scored 16 runs in 39 innings and only 8 runs in 39 innings that didnt come via the home run
and they had 12 or more men left on base in all four games
i know their starting pitching is sub par....but their overall (not just with risp)lack of situational hitting is by far their biggest problem
They're free swingers, IGY. Not a whole lot of discipline in that line-up.
When they come up against a great pitcher, they really don't have much of a chance. Hell, mediocre pitchers give them fits when they're "on."
Ah well... how many more days 'til training camp starts?
That's exactly right, they beat up on bad pitching, and look good doing it. But get someone who has half an idea what to do and they're helpless.
actually they arent even that good against bad pitchers....see this weekend
basically if they dont homer they dont score
David Bell is awesome. .250, 4 homers, leads the team in errors. nice.
Utley's lead over Biggio for NL All-Star 2B is over 150,000. :yay
Howard is 3rd for 1B and Rollins is 4th for SS...
is there even a miniscule chance to win tonight
phils cant hit lefties
phils cant hit great lefties
phils cant hit glavine
madson sucks
i see an 11-3 type rout...and probably about 6-0 after the third inning
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2006, 05:01:48 PM
i see an 11-3 type rout...and probably about 6-0 after the third inning
with madsen...thats pretty much standard
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2006, 05:01:48 PM
is there even a miniscule chance to win tonight
If Glavine's arm falls off a la Dave Dravecky during the first inning, the Phillies would be close to even money to win.
Neither pitcher seems to have it going tonight. Currently 4-3 Mets. :P
Good news: Rollins has two homers tonight.
Bad news: Now he'll go 0-for his next 50 or so swinging for the fences.
rowand chokes
bell sucks
tied tough, but we continue to eat ass with risp
5-4 mets .
mets will get their 11-12 runs before this thing is all over
their lineup is scary good
GOD DAMN CHOKING DOGS. I HATE THIS fargING TEAM.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2006, 09:10:59 PM
mets will get their 11-12 runs before this thing is all over
their lineup is scary good
Their lineup has nothing to do with their last
3 5 runs. Shoddy defense is killing the Phils.
:boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
the mets mix of speed and power is absolutely perfect
This team is sickening.
Absolutely wretched.
They have the bases loaded with 1 out and get nothing out that then they turn around and give up five runs in the next half-inning.
Ridiculous.
1. ryan madson implodes
2. ryan howard cant field if his life depended on it
3. chase utley good old costly errors. everyone of his errors lead to huge innings and come at the worst possible time.
4. david bell has no range
5. david bell sucks
6. fatsano is old and slow and doesnt think about someone like reyes trying to take an extra base
7. fultz doesnt bother covering home
what a pathetic inning. this team is awful to watch and to root for.
I turned the channel. Some things are too much for one to have to ordeal.
Right now I'm watching Schilling-Santana pitching due. Red Sox and Twins 0-0 in the top of the 6th.
hopefully they'll be 10 out by july so i can stop watching them.
What a farging debacle. I ordered MLB TV by the month for this very reason. No reason to pay to watch these games. I won't be renewing that subscribtion at the end of the month. farging bums.
its impossible to win with the outfield corners they have on defense as it is...but whats really depressing is that their two young cornerstones of the future utley and howard are both atrocious in the field
hopefully they'll be 10 out by july so i can stop watching them.
theres no question about that...have you seen their schedule for the rest of the month...i thought theyd be ten out right now
They won't fall that far out. They'll stay close enough to prolong the torture and agony as long as possible.
Blow it up. Trade Burrell and Abreu. As much as I like Abreu, you just need a change. Victorino at the top of the order playing left or something, get corner outfielder in return or maybe a 3B so you can get rid of Bell. Also the catching position is a joke, Fatsano is going to play everyday. This is just awful, he may be the worst player in all of baseball.
Rollins with two homers, though. That's the power we've needed from our leadoff hitter all year!2
rollins has the same amount of homers as abreu...yet abreu refuses to move out of a power hole to bat leadoff
Quote
Phillies Stats of Suckage
Overall stats
-123 total seasons
-72 losing seasons
-3 .500 seasons
-48 winning seasons
-Overall postseason record: 22-35 (.386)
Streaks
-14 straight losing seasons (1918-1931) where the Phils went 786-1310 for a outstanding .375 winning percentage
-16 straight losing seasons(1933-1948) where the Phils went 888-2443 even more incredible .363 winning percentage
-For those keeping score, the Phils managed ONE winning season between 1918-1948!
-Current World Series drought: 25 seasons
-Phillies have accumulated 1 World Championship, 5 Pennants, and 9 Playoff Appearances in 123 seasons. Can you believe that? Basically the Phillies only had a chance to win a Championship 9 times out of 123 seasons!
For comparsion, the Florida Marlins (est. 1993) and Arizona Diamondbacks (est. 1998) and have won 3 World Championships, 3 Pennants and 5 Playoff Appearances between them in 21 seasons.
Quote
The Phillies are closing in on being the first professional team to reach 10,000 losses all time.
Below is the Phillies all time record.
Wins: 8712 Losses: 9909
Current as of 6/11/06
From PhillySucks.com. Every time I get burned by thinking the Phils may be heading somewhere, I make myself go back and read this. Especially the stuff in bold. farging, farging Bums.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2006, 09:41:36 PM
rollins has the same amount of homers as abreu...yet abreu refuses to move out of a power hole to bat leadoff
Quit with that.
Pat Burrell just struck out looking for the second time tonight, with a runner on. Abreu K's before him, and finally Howard flies out. This team couldn't manufacture a run if their lives depended on it.
Send Burrell packing now. farging bum. I am so sick of watching his big dumb ass act all upset that the third strike was actually a ball, then sulking off to the dugout. Maddening.
Dump Abreu and Burrell, and get some solid prospects.
im going to be negadelphian and not get my hopes up what so ever. its mainly because i want to do my liver a favor and not drink tonight after this past weekend.
Bell singles, Fatsano doubles, Delucci homers. 9-7 Bums.
Here they go, making it interesting. They'll lose, and I'll be watching when it happens. shtein.
and our buddies in for the 1 2/3 inning save.
utley up 3-0 and .. K.
Wagner owns Utley, coming from 3-0. Rollins gets nabbed stealing second. Inning over.
Game. Set. Match.
Bums lose it. 9-7.
Romes.
I hate this team.
this is why im going to die young and in pain
I saw the um, I guess they're highlights, of the 6th inning and found myself wanting to fight someone.
Nice botched sac bunt E, Howard. His defense sucks.
Nice air mail throw, Chase. Pull your head out of your icehole.
Great stuff, Bell. Way to let the routine grounder dribble away from you. And a great throw home too, dickbag.
Oh yeah, and why was Jimmy Rollins trying to steal 2B in the b8th? You cannot get thrown out there.
Goddamn bums.
Wagner owns Utley
the league owns utley right now
two more looking k's for burrell tonight...i seriously wanna know what the season record for that is...i bet he has more this year than the next five guys put together
this team is textbook mediocre, it's all about 2007
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2006, 02:30:51 AMhighlights
Don't forget the 5th inning....bases loaded, 1 out, 4-4 game, Glavine pulled and Rowand swings at the first f'ing pitch and pops out to 1st, leaving our fate in the hands of Bell, who promptly grounds out. They don't take advantage and the Mets do. Simple as that.
That 9th inning sucked too. Should have been 2nd and 3rd, no outs for Howard, but Burrell got robbed and killed the rally....
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 07:53:36 AM
Wagner owns Utley
the league owns utley right now
two more looking k's for burrell tonight...i seriously wanna know what the season record for that is...i bet he has more this year than the next five guys put together
Strikeout recordsAL - Rob Deer - Milwaukee - 186 strikeouts - 1987
NL - Adam Dunn - Cincinnati - 195 strikeouts - 2004
Top 10 Strikeout leaders this season
Brad Wilkerson 80
Geoff Jenkins 77
Richie Sexson 75
Curtis Granderson 71
Adam Dunn 71
Jonny Gomes 70
Chris Shelton 68
Jhonny Peralta 67
Preston Wilson 67
Ryan Howard 64
Pat Burrell 54
a Jim Thome/Ryan Howard Comparison so far. (yeah i know the coding makes the font small as shtein). Scary how close the stats are. 1 double seperates them, 1 HR seperates them, 1 RBI seperates them, 1 strikout seperates them. :paranoid The major difference so far is that Thome walks quite a big more than Howard and the players batting behind Thome are knocking him in more often.
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Ryan Howard PHI 63 232 36 68 7 0 22 54 26 64 0 0 .293 .361 .608 .969
Jim Thome CWS 60 214 52 61 8 0 21 55 46 63 0 0 .285 .418 .617 1.035
The major difference so far is that Thome walks quite a big more than Howard
also the phils got rowand and two promising young pitchers...oh and the age factor...this trade looks good now it could look fantabulous in two years when thome is retired
fyi - i was talking about strikeouts looking in regards to burrell
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 11:33:52 AM
also the phils got rowand and two promising young pitchers...oh and the age factor...this trade looks good now it could look fantabulous in two years when thome is retired
yeah it looks like quite the trade for the Phillies so far.
Quote
fyi - i was talking about strikeouts looking in regards to burrell
ahh... yeah im not sure if there is a stat for that one.
Quote from: MURP on June 14, 2006, 11:21:11 AM
a Jim Thome/Ryan Howard Comparison so far. (yeah i know the coding makes the font small as shtein). Scary how close the stats are. 1 double seperates them, 1 HR seperates them, 1 RBI seperates them, 1 strikout seperates them. :paranoid The major difference so far is that Thome walks quite a big more than Howard and the players batting behind Thome are knocking him in more often.
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Ryan Howard PHI 63 232 36 68 7 0 22 54 26 64 0 0 .293 .361 .608 .969
Jim Thome CWS 60 214 52 61 8 0 21 55 46 63 0 0 .285 .418 .617 1.035
You hit it on the head about Howard's ability to get walks and low OBP but also his defense needs to improve. I still think the Phils are better off with Rowand and Howard than Thome and Howard languishing in AAA. I can't imagine the Phils actually getting a favorable trade of Howard last year.
yeah, no doubt about howards Defense. It is horrid. He must take lessons from David Bell.
talking of strikeouts... everyone always mentions the sports records that wont be broken... how about this one. 115 consecutive games without a strikout. Joe Sewell ,Cleveland, 1929
Postgame quote from Charlie:
Quote"I ain't here to win no damn wild card."
...or a division, apparently...
Some updates on Kyle Drabek:
-- he hasn't signed yet, but the guy taken ahead of him did. Our other 1st rounder (Cardenas) signed though.
-- his team won the Texas state title. A person over on PP took a few pics (http://www.expressfan.com/2006/woodlands/) :P
-- he changed his Myspace site to private
in one of the games 2 weeks ago, they reported Burrell leading the league in 3rd strike looks, so thats what I was going with IGY. I cant seem to break it down in Google though..
its a given hes leading the league this year...i wanna know if hes gonna set an all-time single season record
a stat like that would never be anywhere but at the elias sports bureau...you wont find it on the net
Quote• Ryan Howard hit his 20th home run of the year on Monday night, in the Phillies' 57th game of the season. It's the fastest that any reigning Rookie of the Year has ever reached 20 homers. Howard broke the standard set by Mark McGwire, who hit his 20th home run in 1988 in Oakland's 59th game
Mathieson to start Saturday for the Phils
Quote from: MURP on June 14, 2006, 11:40:01 AM
yeah, no doubt about howards Defense. It is horrid. He must take lessons from David Bell.
:-D :-D :-D
didnt think it could get worse than last night....
Losings to the Mets generally is about as bad as it gets. So I agree.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 07:57:36 PM
didnt think it could get worse than last night....
Turned it off two nights in a row. That was a bleepin' bleeped up bleepin' game, bleep it. [/dallas green]
manuel needs to be fired tomorrow...i predict he will be gone if not then sometime in the next week...this team has literally quit
thats our ace...the pitcher who is EVERYTHING we could have hoped for!
I'm surprised people still get angry when they lose, like this is new. I get angry when the Eagles do bad because they usually are successful. I even get angry when the Sixers do bad, because in the last 10 years, for the most part the Sixers have been a playoff team. Same with the Flyers. They contend for a Cup every year.
But the Phillies are destined to suck every year. As a fan I've been beaten down so badly by the awful management, and play, that it no longer even bothers me. If the Eagles go down 14-0 early I get nervous because I hate losing a game.
If the Phils go down 5-0 early, I just shut off the TV and move on.
So basically what my baseball passion has come down to is hating on teams like the Mets. Like how they will tank at the end of the year and how even if they make the playoffs will get swept by whoever. That's my passion. Looking forward to seeing teams fail, because I can't look forward to seeing mine win.
its not that they are losing...no one here other than phreak thought they had a chance at the playoffs this year...its how they are losing that has me...and i assume others...so angry
I agree to a certain extent, but when you lose for 13 years in a row, then to me it doesn't matter how it's done. Losing is just a daily routine, like brushing your teeth and showering.
6-1 now.
F'ing ridiculous.
Gillick has to do something to either shake this team up or tear it to pieces once and for all.
I vote the former, of course, but his hands are all but tied at this point in that regard.
Phils doing their "Hey, don't stop watching! We might be in this thing" routine in the bottom of the third. Bleh. 6-2.
I hate the farging Phillies.
Gillick has to do something to shake this team up
manuel will be gone tomorrow
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 08:15:20 PM
Gillick has to do something to shake this team up
manuel will be gone tomorrow
IGY, while I am all for Manuel hitting the road, you are still, in a way, being fooled. You can't apply standard baseball logic to this team. If it seems that Manuel should be kicked to the curb, they'll give him an extension. Trash.
***Mets score again. They have scored in
every inning in the game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 08:15:20 PM
Gillick has to do something to shake this team up
manuel will be gone tomorrow
link?
The phillees R gud
Luckily there's a good Stanley Cup Finals game to watch. :boom
Game on. YAY! :(
I was worried we wouldn't get an "official" game in...
Phils actually manufacture a run. Two sacs move Rowand home from second. 7-3 Mets in the bottom of the 6th.
8.5 games back is not good.
8-3. Abreu sucks
9-3. Everyone sucks
Except for the Mets.
at least you guys got to watch the game. it was blacked out here in southern vermont. stupid espn. they had nothing on except a black screen. of course a black screen might be better to watch. the way there playing.
fuhnduhmentuhs (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/061406-manuel.wmv)
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 15, 2006, 12:10:04 AM
fuhnduhmentuhs (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/061406-manuel.wmv)
Manuel: "...keep runners from going from home to second..."
He's talking about people that hit RBI singles and move to 2nd on the throw home....
Fire him.
Fire him.
Have I mentioned that I hate this team lately?
Yeah I predicted them to go the playoffs. And I jokingly put them in the WS. But I am optimistic at the beginning of every sports season.
Anyways, let me ask those of you who want Manuel fired something.
Why?
We know he's not a great manager. But is changing managers going to improve this team? I don't think so. Like I said the other day when people were ranting about Abreu in the leadoff spot -- this team is FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED!
Until they stop striking out so much, until they get better starting pitching and until they play SMART baseball they will not win a goddamn thing.
Is firing Uncle Charlie going to magically help Pat remove the bat from his shoulder on a 2 strike count?
Is firing him going to help Ryan Howard field a ball?
Is firing him going to help the atrocious starting pitching?
Now I wouldn't care if he was fired. I really don't. I actually hope he is canned so people will stop talking about firing him. Remember when Bowa was fired? Remember when Francona was canned? Nothing changed. Not a goddamn single thing changed. They still suck. And they will continue to suck until these things happen;
1. The owners sell
2. Montgomery is fired
3. The culture changes and some of these guys are let go and/or traded.
at this point its the principle of it phreak...the team has given up and blatantly disrespect the manager...are they gonna magically make the playoffs if hes fired...of course not....but it will show that someone somewhere cares that this team stinks and doesnt play the game the right way...not to mention in game managing will automatically improve as well
Does anyone really want Bill Dancy named manager?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 06:30:17 AM
at this point its the principle of it phreak...the team has given up and blatantly disrespect the manager...are they gonna magically make the playoffs if hes fired...of course not....but it will show that someone somewhere cares that this team stinks and doesnt play the game the right way...not to mention in game managing will automatically improve as well
i got that nats ticket book in the mail yesterday. that shtein is tight, thanks.
no problem
yes its great
I too had higher hopes for a better season at this point (even wild card seems a long shot now), but when the team is constantly making routine/fundamental errors it's gonna be a looooong season. :'(
i thought there could be nothing worse than being at my sister's 3 hour graduation followed up by a 2.5 hour debacle at Applebee's.
i was wrong.
The Phillies are good.
WORLD.
SERIES.
2 batters, no outs, Mets up 1-0.
Endy Chavez with a RBI double
David Wright - 3 run HR
4-0 Mets before they got 2 outs
this convinces me even further than manuel will be gone after todays game
i hope you're right. but i know you, and you're usually not.
to the contrary....im often...if not always....right
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 01:31:45 PM
to the contrary....im often...if not always....right
Phil Grosz says you're lying.
1st and 3rd, 2 outs, Jimmy's up
i can just feel the failure coming up...
fly out to center. awesome.
i hate this team. i want to quit. but i cant.
4-2 Mets, rain delay before the bottom of the 3rd
Pat's having himself a day...2 run HR.
5-4 Mets.
I hate Pat Burrell
Hey, my sis ordered an Utley jersey from mlb.com for her husband (size XXL), but it didn't arrive as soon as planned, so they bought one at the park a few weeks back. Now, they can't return the mlb.com one because as Utley wasn't in stock, it's technically "customized".
I'm going to help her put it on eBay next week, but if anyone is interested in buying it for a reasonable price before that, let me know via PM. I think she paid $70+ for it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 15, 2006, 03:12:41 PM
Hey, my sis ordered an Utley jersey from mlb.com for her husband (size XXL), but it didn't arrive as soon as planned, so they bought one at the park a few weeks back. Now, they can't return the mlb.com one because as Utley wasn't in stock, it's technically "customized".
uh...thats kinda retarded. why would someone buy two?
no offense, freddie...but thats the kinda thing we post about and laugh...so without further adu...
:-D
They were going to a game (they don't go to many), and he wanted to wear his Utley jersey. Which hadn't arrived.
She assumed incorrectly that they'd let her return it. Whatever. I'm not my sister's keeper, and I'm not defending her course of action. Just saying that there's a brand new XXL Utley jersey to be had for less than retail price if someone wants it.
$35
$5
is it the white or grey
if its the grey ill give you 40 for it
(http://www.concretefield.net/forum/Themes/default/images/im_on.gif)
I'm fairly certain it's the white one.
After Pat's 2nd HR....zero hits and 13 in a row retired
charlie fired in 3.....2......1......
pathetic
time to relax...its only mid june ::)
:-D
At least I was able to keep the game on the whole time today.
What a pathetic display of baseball.
abreu
victorino
utley
burrell
howard
rollins
bell
ruiz
this is the lineup i want to see. yes, bobby should be hitting 3rd. but this team needs a spark and needs to do something. you cant radically change the starting pitching (problem #1), so why not put a spark into the team and mess about with the lineup.
over/under for the days until the brett myers excuse train pulls into the station? guy was pissed off when gillick said the starting pitching wasnt good enough, said that we'll show him. well, lookie here. its not good enough. next thing he'll say is managment doesnt support us and bla bla bla they dont believe and wah wah wah. farg this team i hate them, blow it up. trade everyone except for cole. everyone. that includes obscure people like larry shenk and vic the security guard to well known funholes like wheels and mike arbuckle.
(http://www.crwflags.com/art/pins/sports/mlb/teamsal/asphil.jpg)
bring back the a's!
(http://www.avault.com/featured/hidden/objects/weapons/tnt.jpg)
Some people are saying Mets fans took over the ball park, others say they barely saw any Mets fans there if any.
I'll believe the latter. Mets fans aren't die-hard enough to travel.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 15, 2006, 07:07:01 PM
Some people are saying Mets fans took over the ball park, others say they barely saw any Mets fans there if any.
I'll believe the latter. Mets fans aren't die-hard enough to travel.
For the love of God, dude. Stop.
Romes.
its not traveling. about the same ny-area mets fans go to citty as phillies fans go to shea. its these mid-jersey and other local mets fan who are afraid to go to queens (or in fact live closer to philly than to nyc), and instead infultrate citty bank. its bad, but its the way it goes.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 15, 2006, 07:07:01 PM
Some people are saying Mets fans took over the ball park, others say they barely saw any Mets fans there if any.
I'll believe the latter. Mets fans aren't die-hard enough to travel.
yeah...thats a huge concern right now
Here's a thought, Charlie. find pitcher who can give up less than 4 runs a game.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 15, 2006, 04:32:14 PM
After Pat's 2nd HR....zero hits and 13 in a row retired
They did the same goddamn thing in Washington the other night. After Washington tied it back at 8 the Nats retired 18 Phillies in a row.
Pathetic.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 06:30:17 AM
at this point its the principle of it phreak...the team has given up and blatantly disrespect the manager...are they gonna magically make the playoffs if hes fired...of course not....but it will show that someone somewhere cares that this team stinks and doesnt play the game the right way...not to mention in game managing will automatically improve as well
I hear ya, man. I really do.
But we heard the same stuff after Francona was fired and Larry was hired. And then we heard the same thing when it was time for Larry to go. Even though I though Larry should've been given more time and some time without Ed Wade there, in the end you had to fire him because you couldn't fire the 25 crying pansies who bitched and moaned when Larry rolled his eyes, sighed too loudly or god forbid ripped into their asses for being inept.
Want to show that someone cares and wants to change?
Not only do you fire Charlie, but you do not put in some lackey to replace him for the rest of the year. You do what the Marlins did in 2003 when they shtein canned Jeff Torborg and hired Trader Jack. I don't want Gary Varsho managing. Nor do I want the Phillies MB's cult hero Marc Bombard.
And after you get rid of Charlie you bring in Lou Piniella. Or Davey Johnson.
And then, if I am Pat Gillick, I start getting rid of the TRASH on this team. And I do whatever it takes, sans trading Utley, Howard, Hamels or Myers, to get Dontrelle Willis.
how bad could the phils have used padilla this year....hes having a better season than any phils starter
Vincente is 6-4 with a 4.65 ERA in 81.1 IP, he's given up 81 hits, K'd 67, and walked 38
Myers is 4-3 with a 3.86 ERA in 86.1 IP, he's given up 90 hits, K'd 66, and walked 27
6>4
yeah...but look at run support, Myers has the worst in the league.
he's been awful the past two games, but overall this season, he's been good enough to have more than 4 wins.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2006, 09:02:03 AM
6>4
madsen has 6 wins too...
you know that means nothign...you're just trying to make a stupid point.
all the rest of the numbers are close enough that 6>4 means everything
padilla>any phillies starter this year...period
im sure at the end of the year when myers is 11-10 he really should have had 20 wins
and even if if any of the above were not true the bottom line is they could use padilla badly right now and they gave him away for less than nothing
IGY loves him sum overblown exaggeration, and he always catches fishies on his line.
Why are people still upset about losing Padilla? The guy was a nut case and needed to go...
it's not "people"...it's one person...and not very effectivley
overblown exaggeration
what numbers are overblown...cause i dont see it
Why are people still upset about losing Padilla? The guy was a nut case and needed to go...
its not so much that he went its that he went and got nothing in return nor did they have a competant pitcher to take his place...he was a lunatic but he was also one of their best pitchers and would be thier best this year
...and he throws the lure right back into the pond... any takers?
thats what i figured
Quote from: Wingspan on June 16, 2006, 09:45:52 AM
it's not "people"...it's one person...and not very effectivley
Nah, it's "people". They whine about it over at PP too...
what the hell is PP?
PhilliesPhans
its not whining easy if its truth
i dont even much care...they werent going to win with him...i just find it ironic that they have the worst starting pitching in the majors and have people like eude brito getting starts yet they gave away padilla for a chimmychunga
Both first rounders (Drabek and Cardenas) were named to the All-America team, with Cardenas named Baseball America High School Player of the Year :yay
Now I could go for a Chicken Chimichanga for lunch. Thanks, IGY.
:yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 16, 2006, 10:40:10 AM
PhilliesPhans
i suppose i could have guess that. eventually.
but i never go there. this is the only sports message board i go to with any kind of frequency.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2006, 10:40:30 AM
people like eude brito getting starts
I say Eude, you say Brito... EUDE!
BRITO!
bwahahahaha
howard has a charlie manuel song playing on his show....its some unbelievably funny...and sad....charlie quotes with the song 'always look on the bright side' playing in the background
it is laugh out loud and have your coworkers stare at you funny
I'll be at tonights game and in the owners suite (no joke)
ask them to sell to Mark Cuban
like they'll be there
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 16, 2006, 03:58:47 PM
I'll be at tonights game and in the owners suite (no joke)
make sure you piss on the rug
I'm about to leave, any other requests?
i request that you have a bitchin time
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 16, 2006, 04:45:34 PM
I'm about to leave, any other requests?
Tonya Harding Bell's knees for me.
punch each of them in the skull once for every phillies fan on here. but first try and get bell cut by eating and drinking away the rest of his salary for the year. that would be super. thanks ahead of time.
:-D
Just checked the score, it's 6-0. I'm glad that yesterday's game is the last Phillies game I'm going to be watching all year. Why subject myself to torture?
I'd rather get a vasectomy.
Yet, it's the Mets fans who aren't "die-hard"...
Quote from: EagleFeva on June 16, 2006, 08:46:10 PM
Yet, it's the Mets fans who aren't "die-hard"...
i'll be the first to say philly fans are a bunch of front running fickle whiners.
why?
because it's true.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 16, 2006, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on June 16, 2006, 08:46:10 PM
Yet, it's the Mets fans who aren't "die-hard"...
i'll be the first to say philly fans are a bunch of front running fickle whiners.
why?
because it's true.
Ummm... when are Philly teams ever in first place long enough for us to be front-runners?
???
For the Phillies, second place IS front-running.
What does front runner mean? Being a philly fan I've never heard of that term.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 16, 2006, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 16, 2006, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on June 16, 2006, 08:46:10 PM
Yet, it's the Mets fans who aren't "die-hard"...
i'll be the first to say philly fans are a bunch of front running fickle whiners.
why?
because it's true.
Ummm... when are Philly teams ever in first place long enough for us to be front-runners?
???
What I'm getting at is bunkley's ignorant statement that "Mets fans aren't die-hard enough to travel" to see the team, yet he's already given up on sittin his ass on the couch and turning on the TV to watch his team less than halfway through the season.
farging hypocritical... :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 16, 2006, 10:16:09 PM
For the Phillies, second place IS front-running.
:-D
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 16, 2006, 04:03:56 PM
like they'll be there
Good call.
Bums freakin blow. Tonights game was an embarassment. Thankfully they had free booze and cheesesteaks in the suite.
Sickening.
I'm running out of things to say about this team.
And I was not happy to see Crazy Vicente leave. I always liked him even if he was/is a nutjob.
Batting second, third basemen David Bell.
Quote from: MDS on June 17, 2006, 06:17:44 PM
Batting second, third basemen David Bell.
A sure sign of the apocalypse.
this fargin team....
they make a bullpen guy with a 7+ ERA look like Eric Gagne.
im at the point where i just want them to lose every game until Manuel gets fired.
how is manuel not fired....im starting to hate pat gillick
Jim Leyland would look good right about now. :boom :-D :'(
no doubt...but im not even talking about that...im above and beyond the fact that manuel was an awful hire to begin with...and that gillick should have cleaned house when he came in...and the fact that manuell is a horrid manager and makes bad moves...ect ect...
im talking about in general...im talking about if anyone had been the manager for the last year and a half and this team was putting forth the effort they are right now...five in a row...three of four to the nats...swept by the mets in galactically embarrassing fashion...two at home to the farging devil rays?....something has to be done...if for no other reason than just to do it...the fact that the manager is a buffoon even when they are winning is even more reason to fire him...not to start winning...not to make the playoffs...not for any reason other than to show that you care...there is not a single reason on earth that he should be managing this team right now and more than ever before there are reasons he should be fired
What the farg! :'(
Stark: Trade Market (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2485721)
QuoteAbreu's name shows up in the New York tabloids almost as often as Angelina Jolie's. But no matter how ugly the Phillies looked in that series against the Mets, they're not going to pull the plug on the season when they're as talented as any wild-card contender in their league. And they're not going to FedEx Abreu to the Bronx for a couple of Florida State League hotshots.
So the odds of the Phillies' dealing Abreu or Pat Burrell in midseason are slimmer than Lisa Kudrow. They both have total no-trades. They both are owed humongous dollars ($15 million plus at least a $2 million buyout for Abreu next year, $27 million for Burrell in 2007-08). And the Phillies wouldn't move either of them without getting a legit ace back. Which would be, well, who, exactly?
But the Phillies are sending signals they're looking to retool, get younger, bring in more guys out of the Aaron Rowand School of Hard Noses and import a true, proven, top-of-the-rotation arm/leader. They're just more likely to work on that mission over the winter than in July.[/quote[
Blow it up. Theyre about to be swept by Tampa Bay...at home.
its incredible how many runs burrell gives up in the oufield...its at least as many as he produces on offense
I was really hammered last night after watching the world cup so my memory of the game is a bit fuzzy but did the Phillies really lose to the _____ Rays again?
:-\
It's nice to see the Phillies finally competing with the Braves. Too bad they are competing for the fastest sink to the bottom of the division.
Already 3-0 Tampa Bay. Haha.
It's the 7th inning, and I'm puzzled. The Phillies actually have MORE runs than the Travis Lees?
Theyll blow it.
god willing. at this point i just hope they crash and burn so bad they have no choice but to make drastic changes.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on June 18, 2006, 04:22:36 PM
god willing. at this point i just hope they crash and burn so bad they have no choice but to make drastic changes.
Nah, they'll finish as a stunningly mediocre team, just like last year and the year before that. And next year and the year after that.
Phils win. Phlash did his best to make it interesting in the ninth, though.
That team is beyond brutal to watch. Unless they're hitting dingers left and right, they have no chance to win. None.
Well, at least they didn't get swept by the mighty Devil Rays. So that's something.
5 of the 8 runs were scored without a HR, correct?
Without Howard's home run, they wouldn't have won the game. Correct?
Smallball wins games.
-John Marzano
"Chicks dig the long ball."
- Tom Glavine
;)
Bowa interview on NBC10:
-- the continued struggles over the last 2 years show "it's not the manager"
-- knew that Manuel was going to be the next manager as soon as he was hired
-- Rowand, Utley and Rollins are "Philly-type players"
-- players don't want to hear constructive criticism these days
-- says the Phils need pitching....you can't win 8-7 or 9-8 every day...."it's not an easy park to pitch in"
-- was upset at first, but no hard feelings about being fired
-- proud of putting the Phils back in the right direction
-- "I'll always be a Phillie", but it's a great honor to wear a Yankees uniform
-- in no rush to become a manager again....likes being a coach for Torre right now
-- much different atmosphere between organizations....the Yankees expect to win every year, not just hope for a wildcard spot
-- not sure what kind of reaction he'll get from Phillies fans....hopes it's a good one
Eskin also says that Manuel will be fired after this season and the players know it. Clark points out that Gillick has only fired a manager mid-season once (Jimy Williams in 1989, replaced by Cito Gastin, which resulted in a division title)
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 18, 2006, 11:57:41 PM
Bowa interview on NBC10:
-- knew that Manuel was going to be the next manager as soon as he was hired
So did the rest of us. ;)
Anyone see Ryan Howard drop another ball at first today? And people complain about Bobby Abreu...
Also, I leave for Jubilee tommorrow. So this means little to no posting for 2 months. Cry your tears elsewhere, I know the pain it'll cause.
Quote from: MDS on June 19, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
Anyone see Ryan Howard drop another ball at first today? And people complain about Bobby Abreu...
Yeah, but Howard hasn't won a Gold Glove for his defense.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 18, 2006, 11:57:41 PM
Bowa interview on NBC10:
-- the continued struggles over the last 2 years show "it's not the manager"
Ding. Ding.
Like I said earlier in this post, firing Charlie does nothing but appease the people who hate on him. Until Monty is gone and/or the owners sell AND they get rid of some of the crap, they will be exactly like this....inconsistently frustrating.
Quote from: MDS on June 19, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
Anyone see Ryan Howard drop another ball at first today? And people complain about Bobby Abreu...
Yes.
His defense is bad. His range is also bad.
He needs to work at it big time.
And have fun at Jubilee. Congrats on being in college and still going to some kiddie summer camp. I hope you have fun making S'mores, singing camp songs and taking swimming lessons.
they are saying on wip that had the phils lost yesterday manuel would have been fired and replaced by dallas green for the rest of the season
i don't believe that...because when you lose 5 of 6 at home the one win shouldn't save your job.
as far as the big picture i agree...but having "phils swept at home by rays" all over town might have gotten it done
yeah...i agree. i'm convinced that Gillick knows this year is over and why bother making a change. it's all about next year anyway.
Charlie get the vote of confidence (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060618&content_id=1511763&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)
if you want your hillbilly manager fired, you'll be happy when my yanks take 2 out of 3 in philly. :yay
(http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/images/2005/11/02/VP2dkrei.jpg)
Pat Gillick cites inconsistency as a reason why the Phills have been struggling of late. (Philadelphia Phillies)
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Yeah, no $htein master of the obvious...and stop smiling
Quote from: hunt on June 19, 2006, 09:05:04 AM
if you want your hillbilly manager fired, you'll be happy when my yanks take 2 out of 3 in philly. :yay
2 of 3 is a given. If you want to talk trash, you should be referring to brooms and such.
yeah really if the yankees dont sweep the series is a failure...for god sakes the devil rays just took two of three...and the yanks have the top of their rotation going in the series
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 19, 2006, 02:57:02 PM
yeah really if the yankees dont sweep the series is a failure...for god sakes the devil rays just took two of three...and the yanks have the top of their rotation going in the series
So do the Phillies:
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/CLASS/130-230.jpg)
Abreu and Howard both out of the lineup tonight. Utley playing 1st :-\
Yo, its not like the Phillies have never been swept by the D-Rays. They are something like 5-10 against them. I think they got swept down there two or three years ago.
I don't believe the WIP thing either. Although it would have been mighty intresting to see Dallas Green with this team. I can already hear the crying.
I almost wish it would've happened though. That way when I do listen to the radio, which is rare now, I can stop hearing "They need a tough manager like Dallas Green. He won it all in 1980. So obviously he can win it 26 years later!"
Which reliever will blow the 1 2-run lead? Or will Myers blow it himself?
Let's find out!
Which reliever will blow the 1 2-run lead? Or will Myers blow it himself?
fixed
That's messed up - I edited as you were doing that.
Too bad Patty couldn't score on that, because Bell's going to make an out if he hasn't already.
Almost blew that one
3-2 Phils, 7th inning
one more inning. come on.....
Phils win as Flash K's Head Jr. to end it.
Myers, despite the 6 BB's, was money tonight.
Flash sure was pumped up tonight.
Excellent start my Myers tonight.
Brett threw 124 pitches and his brim was literally dripping with sweat. A real humid day today in Philly.
They get Mussina tomorrow.
Watch them sweep the Yankees.
:-D
Abe's diving stop on Johnson was the #1 Web Gem on BBTN
Now if he can only get that hitting thing down...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 19, 2006, 11:24:55 PM
Now if he can only get that hitting thing down...
What, .167 isn't good enough for you? :paranoid
One observation:
How come about every other year Rheal Cormier is darn near unhittable, then on the oppoisite years he gets creamed?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 19, 2006, 11:34:03 PM
One observation:
How come about every other year Rheal Cormier is darn near unhittable, then on the oppoisite years he gets creamed?
Contract years. He got a 2yr deal from Ed and he'll be a FA after this season.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 19, 2006, 11:55:12 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 19, 2006, 11:34:03 PM
One observation:
How come about every other year Rheal Cormier is darn near unhittable, then on the oppoisite years he gets creamed?
Contract years. He got a 2yr deal from Ed and he'll be a FA after this season.
One-year deals for the little Canadian from now on.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 19, 2006, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: hunt on June 19, 2006, 09:05:04 AM
if you want your hillbilly manager fired, you'll be happy when my yanks take 2 out of 3 in philly. :yay
2 of 3 is a given. If you want to talk trash, you should be referring to brooms and such.
Whoops.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 20, 2006, 07:34:43 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 19, 2006, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: hunt on June 19, 2006, 09:05:04 AM
if you want your hillbilly manager fired, you'll be happy when my yanks take 2 out of 3 in philly. :yay
2 of 3 is a given. If you want to talk trash, you should be referring to brooms and such.
Whoops.
the yanks aren't very good this year & have guys named melky & bubba in the outfield...that's why i didn't predict a sweep.
but i'll stand by my 2 of 3 prediction.
QuotePlaying the game the right way
Insider
By Jerry Crasnick
ESPN.com
Before Ben Roethlisberger and Kellen Winslow indulged their inner Hell's Angel, Aaron Rowand was just as unpredictable on two wheels. After the 2002 season, Rowand was riding his dirt bike in the California desert when he lost contact with a trail, fell off a 25-foot drop and landed in a dry riverbed.
Rowand suffered a broken shoulder blade, a punctured lung and two broken ribs in the accident, and cracked his helmet. The damage would have been even worse if he hadn't landed on the best possible place -- his head.
It's an anatomical article of faith in the Rowand household. Through the years, as Aaron fell off skateboards and bicycles and careened from this asphalt playground to that concrete surface, his most valuable attribute was an industrial-strength noggin.
Rowand's mother, Connie, a nurse in Scranton, Pa., was aware of the history the night of May 11, when her son went full-bore in the line of duty. After catching a Xavier Nady drive at the track, he crashed into an unpadded metal bar and left a chunk of his nose and cheek on the center field fence at Citizens Bank Park.
"My mom thought I might have hurt my body," Rowand said. "When she saw it was my face and head, she didn't worry anymore."
No matter how many World Series rings or Gold Glove Awards Rowand eventually wins, this will remain his signature moment in the game: a combination of Jim Edmonds' athleticism and the tenacity of Uma Thurman chopping her way out of a coffin in "Kill Bill: Volume 2."
The same exuberance that prompted Rowand's former Chicago White Sox teammates to call him "RoboCop" has earned him the captaincy of ESPN.com's All-Run-Through-A-Wall-Squad. It's also won him the admiration of players throughout the game.
One of them, Tampa Bay pitcher James Shields, grew up a half hour from Rowand in Southern California. He also happens to be Rowand's first cousin, and he's heard the stories about little Aaron, a bruiser as a toddler, bouncing off furniture and coming back for more.
"It didn't surprise, me," Shields said. "He's like Pete Rose, man. He's one of the toughest guys I know in baseball. That's just him."
A love of baseball and competition makes up Rowand's foundation. His father, Robert, runs an air-conditioning business, and routinely took the boy to his recreational softball games. When one of Robert's teammates failed to show, the squad would turn to 10-year-old Aaron, and he would step in and outperform half the players on the field.
Father and son spent a lot of time at Angels and Dodgers games, and Aaron was always more partial to scrappers than stars. He liked Brian Downing and Bobby Grich, and later, Rex Hudler and Lenny Dykstra. When he'd see a big league player hit a routine grounder and jog down the line, he would turn to his father with a sense of bewilderment.
"Why isn't he running?" Aaron asked.
"Because he's not playing the game the right way," Robert Rowand replied.
Robert Rowand half-jokingly points out that the serious carnage didn't occur on his watch. While playing college ball for Cal State Fullerton, Aaron ran full-speed into a cinder block wall at Long Beach State's Blair Field and knocked himself out trying to steal a home run at UC Santa Barbara.
In the majors, he plays the same way regardless of the circumstances. It was one thing to bang up his shoulder in an attempt to preserve teammate Dan Wright's no-hit bid in 2001. It was something else to take the commando approach with the White Sox holding a 12-run ninth-inning lead against Boston in the division series last October.
Before Chicago sent Rowand to Philadelphia for Jim Thome last November, White Sox general manager Kenny Williams and outfield instructor Gary Pettis spent years trying to convince Rowand to temper his aggressiveness. In spite of Williams' personal affection for Rowand, he had grown weary of watching long fly balls and envisioning his center fielder being rushed to the hospital.
"There's a way to play the track and play the wall," Williams said. "Just because you run into a lot of walls doesn't mean you're any more of an outfielder than a guy who doesn't. It just means you didn't take to the lessons of how to play balls at the wall, or you chose to disregard it. In Aaron's case, he chose to disregard it. The one thing I've learned about people is, you are what you are."
Judging from the reaction Rowand has elicited since his highly publicized face plant, baseball fans are perfectly happy with what he is. A Vietnam veteran wrote a letter to the Philadelphia Daily News with the headline, "Aaron Rowand's the kind of guy you want in your foxhole." Even a paper in Australia called him "an example of courage to emulate."
On the night of his return from the disabled list, Rowand received a prolonged standing ovation at Citizens Bank Park, and sales of Aaron Rowand T-shirts spiked from 12 to more than 70 a game. Even fans on the road yell out to him during pregame stretching and tell him how much they enjoy watching him play.
"It's overwhelming," Rowand said. "You can't compliment me any better than that."
While the Phillies have added padding to the portion of the fence that victimized Rowand, hazards still abound. Last year in Baltimore, Rowand caught his spikes in the rubberized warning track and scuffed his knee, split his pants and smacked his head against the ground. Camden Yards won't be in his future much now that he's switched leagues. But the solid wall of brick beneath the Wrigley Field ivy is certainly inviting.
At age 28, with a wife and two young children, Rowand is doing his best to show some off-field maturity. He sold his dirt bike after the accident 3½ years ago and now confines his offseason fun to golf, which inflicts scars of a purely emotional kind.
The broken nose and 15-stitch cut he suffered six weeks ago left him with some interesting souvenirs. As for when the marks will fade or disappear, Rowand neither knows nor cares.
"I wasn't all that pretty to begin with," he said.
Jerry Crasnick covers baseball for ESPN Insider. His book "License To Deal" was published by Rodale. Click here to order a copy. Jerry can be reached via e-mail.
Both Jayson Stark and Jerry Crasnick have written recent articles on Rowand:
Stark (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2491892&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1)
Crasnick (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2491974&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos2&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dcrasnick_jerry%26id%3d2491974%26lpos%3dspotlight%26lid%3dtab4pos2) (insider only)
Ryan Howard. What more can be said about this superstar stud?! He is now tied for the league lead in HR's and is one behind for the league lead in RBI. All-Star Game indeed!
Ryan Howard = gawd
Howard is currently 5th among NL 1Bs in All-Star voting
All 7 RBIs tonight. Amazing....
Rhodes comes in and gets nobody out. 8-7 Yankees. A-hole >:(
Mr. OBP strikes out twice in the last 3 innings.
Howard can't drive in 10 runs...Phils lose.
ryan howard basically raped the yankees. and it was hot.
QuotePitcher Robert Person was the last Phillie to drive in seven runs in one game.
Ha!
Phillies 2006 = Murphy's Law.
A guy gets two jacks and a triple, drives in seven runs by himself, yet the Phillies still find a way to lose the game.
Amazing. :-D
if abreu happened to have the night that howard had last night, people would be screaming at how unclutch he was for dribbling out on the 1st pitch in the 9th with two outs. and all the empty numbers he had built up in the beginning of the game.
you know it's true.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 21, 2006, 10:05:28 AM
if abreu happened to have the night that howard had last night, people would be screaming at how unclutch he was for dribbling out on the 1st pitch in the 9th with two outs. and all the empty numbers he had built up in the beginning of the game.
you know it's true.
for Abreu to have that kind of night, he'd have to swing the bat once in awhile.
Abreu loves him some walks.
Going to the game tonight, 10th row off third base. Hopefully Cole is ridiculously good tonight.
Gio Gonzalez and Carlos Carrasco will be in the Futures game on the Sunday before the All-Star game...
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 21, 2006, 02:10:16 PM
Gio Gonzalez and Carlos Carrasco will be in the Futures game on the Sunday before the All-Star game...
did they shave?
and in that game Person almost hit a 3rd home run.
He was a 'roid monkey.
I owned him in Gran Turismo. Punked him infront of Marlon Anderson. Holler to the Turismo skillz.
Your fingers are on 'roids, then. The only logical explanation.
christ, I just turned the Phils on, turned my back for a second and a base hit drew loud roars from the crowd. You would of thought the PHILLIES got a base hit...unreal.
2 of 3. Good call, hunt.
4-0
whatever
now 5-0
Bullpen implodes for three more runs turning a nailbiter into a 5-0 laugher.
Oh, well... it was getaway day for the Phitin's anyway. Who needed a win going up to Boston to face the Red Sox anyway, right?
Great effort tonight, fellas.
WOOT!
:yay
Beckett/Schilling/Wakefield this weekend :-D :'(
First time the Phils have been shutout this season? I think so.
they were shut out once before vs the nats...smartie
Whatever.
i didn't see the game, but Cole's line looked good. did he pitch well?
he pitched great....his change was on point like a needle last night....devastating
and most importantly he threw 100 pitches...which was very comforting to see with his injury past and such i wasnt sure if he could or would be allowed to do that...cant wait to see him tuesday at camden yards
well then, last night was a win in my book
This :boom team :boom sucks :boom
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 22, 2006, 08:44:27 AM
i didn't see the game, but Cole's line looked good. did he pitch well?
he made jason giambi look like jeremy giambi 3 times last night with Ks
This team angers me.
Trade somebody. Now. Just for the helluva it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 23, 2006, 02:15:16 AM
This team angers me.
Trade somebody. Now. Just for the helluva it.
Get ready for that scintillating Chris Coste deal.
Great news! The Phillies didn't lose last night.
Holla.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 23, 2006, 07:16:37 AM
Great news! The Phillies didn't lose last night.
Holla.
It was probably their best pitching performance in a month. :-D
Quote
Brett Myers arrested, charged with assaulting wife
ASSOCIATED PRESS
BOSTON — Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Brett Myers was arrested Friday and charged with assaulting his wife on a downtown Boston street.
Myers, 25, who was scheduled to pitch Saturday against the Red Sox, got in an argument with his wife at about 12:20 a.m. at the corner of Boylston and Dalton streets, according to David Procopio, a spokesman for the Suffolk County District Attorney's office.
Myers' wife, Kim Wickman, and two witnesses told police that the pitcher hit her.
"The evidence at this point leads us to believe the victim was struck in the left side of her face," Procopio said.
One of the witnesses told investigations that Myers also pulled her hair.
Police responded to a 911 call and found Myers' wife crying with a swollen face, Procopio said.
Officers found Myers nearby and arrested him. He cooperated with police, Procopio said.
Myers was booked by Boston police and his wife posted his $200 bail.
Myers pleaded not guilty to assault charges at his arraignment Friday morning in Boston Municipal Court, Procopio said.
A Phillies spokesman had no immediate comment.
Myers and his wife have a 3-year-old daughter.
Myers' next court date is Aug. 4. A judge ruled over the objections of prosecutors that he did not have to attend the hearing in person, Procopio said.
good to see he's maturing.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 23, 2006, 10:55:22 AM
Quote
Brett Myers arrested, charged with assaulting wife
ASSOCIATED PRESS
BOSTON — Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Brett Myers was arrested Friday and charged with assaulting his wife on a downtown Boston street.
Myers, 25, who was scheduled to pitch Saturday against the Red Sox, got in an argument with his wife at about 12:20 a.m. at the corner of Boylston and Dalton streets, according to David Procopio, a spokesman for the Suffolk County District Attorney's office.
Myers' wife, Kim Wickman, and two witnesses told police that the pitcher hit her.
"The evidence at this point leads us to believe the victim was struck in the left side of her face," Procopio said.
One of the witnesses told investigations that Myers also pulled her hair.
Police responded to a 911 call and found Myers' wife crying with a swollen face, Procopio said.
Officers found Myers nearby and arrested him. He cooperated with police, Procopio said.
Myers was booked by Boston police and his wife posted his $200 bail.
Myers pleaded not guilty to assault charges at his arraignment Friday morning in Boston Municipal Court, Procopio said.
A Phillies spokesman had no immediate comment.
Myers and his wife have a 3-year-old daughter.
Myers' next court date is Aug. 4. A judge ruled over the objections of prosecutors that he did not have to attend the hearing in person, Procopio said.
good to see he's maturing.
she probably bobbled a grounder
So a dude hit his wife outside of a bar in Boston. Big deal. That's called foreplay up here.
ha
What an idiot.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 23, 2006, 11:00:46 AM
So a dude hit his wife outside of a bar in Boston. Big deal. That's called foreplay up here.
:-D
if you really need to punch your wife, at least use your non-pitching fist. loser.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 23, 2006, 11:38:09 AM
if you really need to punch your wife, at least use your non-pitching fist. loser.
he's taking lessons from cole hamels
QuoteIt is commonplace among Major League Baseball teams to send the starting pitchers for upcoming road series ahead of the team, allowing them to get on a normal travel schedule. That's what the Philadelphia Phillies did with starter Brett Myers, who was scheduled to pitch against Boston tomorrow afternoon. Problem was, Myers brought his wife with him.
That led to Myers allegedly punching his wife outside a Boston bar last night, leading to his arrest on a domestic violence charge. Police showed up after a 911 call and saw severe swelling on the left side of her face — he used his pitching hand — and she said he had punched her. He was arrested on the spot, and he was released on $200 bail ... paid by his wife.
so he punched her, then made her pay for it. my hero.
what a stupid twat. my sympathy for her has ended.
She's not gonna let her meal ticket got to jail over a little aggressive flirtation. She's got shoes to buy.
why does his wife have a different last name...any woman that insists on keeping her maiden name deserves what she gets
then why call 911?
his wife is a hot blonde, too. wtf
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2006, 12:11:47 PM
his wife is a hot blonde, too. wtf
well, in reality Ed, hot blondes are usually the ones who deserved to get punched the most.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 23, 2006, 11:50:35 AM
She's not gonna let her meal ticket got to jail over a little aggressive flirtation. She's got shoes to buy.
She'll spin this into a 250K diamond ring ala Kobe's wife.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 23, 2006, 12:15:33 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2006, 12:11:47 PM
his wife is a hot blonde, too. wtf
well, in reality Ed, hot blondes are usually the ones who deserved to get punched the most.
i think it's one of chris rock's lines "no matter how hot a woman is, there's someone out there that's tired of farging her"
I think it was actually "No matter how hot she is, some guy, some where, is sick of her bullshtein."
actually, i think it was, "When in Rome, cuz Stone Cold said so."
If only David Bell could hit that hard.
Whatever. She's a golddigging whore. And even if she isn't, rich people deserved to catch a beatdown. It sucks that it was another rich person handing it out, but I'm not one to nitpick.
Whatever. She's a golddigging whore
clearly shes a stuck up little bitch...hence her refusal to take his name
if im putting a rock on your finger and youre ciphering off my major league baseball salary you best believe our last names are gonna be the same
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 23, 2006, 12:34:04 PM
Whatever. She's a golddigging whore
clearly shes a stuck up little bitch...hence her refusal to take his name
well my wife kept her name. but you've already proven your ignorance on so many topics....why stop now.
well good thing shes married to you and not me...that shtein aint flying in my cribbo
cribbo.
what's the point of the woman keeping her name, anyway?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 23, 2006, 12:46:23 PM
well good thing shes married to you and not me...that shtein aint flying in my cribbo
being a fairly decently known medical journalist (within the field in which she reports, not a recognized national name) published in at least 1 national magazine...even if she hadnt married me...i doubt she would ever find herself in someones cribbo.
yawn
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 23, 2006, 12:46:23 PM
well good thing shes married to you and not me...that shtein aint flying in my cribbo
Seriously, man. If my wife didn't take my name, I would refuse to wear a ring, and I'd assume that I had permission to have some hotsecks with any woman at any time - kind of a don't ask, don't tell.
But hey, I guess I'm just old-fashioned.
myers will still pitch tomorrow and it could get ugly...under normal circumstances hes isnt the most emotionally stable person...now in the middle of fenway park in front of all those fans two days after he beat up a woman in the middle of boston....can you say train wreck...should be great viewing
Bullpen problems solved!
Quote"He is a veteran right-hander who has obviously had experience," stated assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. "We felt we needed to add some depth, so we decided to make the claim."
Welcome 37-yr old #00 Rick White :D
f'ing shoot me
Following the Phillies reminds me of what Abraham Lincoln said about losing the 1856 Senate race to Stephen Douglas. He likened it to a boy that had stubbed his toe.
"I'm too big to cry, but it hurts to much to laugh."
Hey, I just turned on the game in the bottom of the first, and it's already 3-0.
Did the Red Sox have earn it, or did the scoreboard just spot them the three since Madsen was pitching.
Madsen disappoints me more than any other Phils pitcher this season. I thought he was primed to bust out some, but he's basically stunk up the joint.
madsen sucks so hard
And his apparent replacement in the rotation (Mathieson) just went out of the game with an apparent injury. :boom
Quote from: rjs246 on June 23, 2006, 12:30:01 PM
Whatever. She's a golddigging whore. And even if she isn't, rich people deserved to catch a beatdown. It sucks that it was another rich person handing it out, but I'm not one to nitpick.
She definately is not a golddigging whore, I happen to know some people that are related to her and they are quite wealthy. My friend was telling me her family was out to dinner with Myers one time and it was probably going to be the last because of how much of an ass he was.
I had officially given up watching The Losers this season after the Nationals series. The time it takes me to realize that they are still the same old lump of shtein in a new box gets shorter every year. My wife, who is was just starting to understand baseball and getting to know the ins and outs of the club, gave up after watching the game tonight. Terrible.
Wow. So much has happened since last night.
1. So Brett Myers spent some time in the clink, eh? I do not condone whuppin up on a woman, but its women like her who make me not care about them being battered. Hey dumbass...you called 911 and had him arrested, right? Why go post his bail hours later?
Its just like when I see guys who are locked up for domestic violence. They get sent to jail, do some time, the wife gets a protection order against them and guess who is waiting to pick up Mr. Inmate when he gets released? The wife who was knocked around.
And you see some chicks who get the tar beaten out of them and refuse to leave the guy. Its their fault after the first time.
2. Rick White? Rick motherfarging White?!?!?! He farging sucks. Terrible.
3. Oh yeah, they played a game. Wait. Was it really a game? Ha! What a group of losers.
Goddamn bums.
And his apparent replacement in the rotation (Mathieson) just went out of the game with an apparent injury.
a double apparent?
nice
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2006, 10:24:21 AM
And his apparent replacement in the rotation (Mathieson) just went out of the game with an apparent injury.
a double apparent?
nice
Irregardless, he was hurt. :D
ha
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2006, 01:39:38 AM
1. So Brett Myers spent some time in the clink, eh? I do not condone whuppin up on a woman, but its women like her who make me not care about them being battered. Hey dumbass...you called 911 and had him arrested, right? Why go post his bail hours later?
Its just like when I see guys who are locked up for domestic violence. They get sent to jail, do some time, the wife gets a protection order against them and guess who is waiting to pick up Mr. Inmate when he gets released? The wife who was knocked around.
And you see some chicks who get the tar beaten out of them and refuse to leave the guy. Its their fault after the first time.
i dont understand the bail thing.
but at the same time, i can not bring myself to root for brett myers again. farg him. :boo
regardless if it's the "womans fault" myers is a prick. and i don't want him on the phils anymore (but the phils being a front office of Hoydas won't do anything about it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2006, 01:39:38 AM
And you see some chicks who get the tar beaten out of them and refuse to leave the guy. Its their fault after the first time.
from the outside, its easy to think that way. but i do a lot of volunteer work for groups that get women out of situations like that. and it's amazing to me the total amount of fear that iceholes like myers put into women. they are convinced that the way to make it stop is to make them happy, they feel that if they do leave, they will only be attacked harder...it's total fear for their lives.
myers is a despicable human being...farg him.
i hope that peice of trash pops a few ligaments in his arm.
baseball pet peeve #1
the rule that says you have to take 3-0...rowand has two outs on him and a runner at second and a 3-0 count...why not take a hack to get the run home...might be your only chance with two outs on the board...instead he takes a pitch then walks and it brings paplebon in the game
another sickening loss
21 left on base....21!!
the phillies best players wish they had one ounce of the blood that runs thru david ortiz veins
instead they have mutts like chase utley...something is seriously worng when hes your 'clutch' player...hes no different than burrell abreu or anyone else...well maybe burrell hes the biggest dog ive seen in a long long time...but anyway utleys numbers are just as hollow as all the rest...yet hes tough and clutch...farg that shtein...
Utley is in a bad slump right now, no doubt.
Sunday's Inquirer says the Tigers are interested in Abreu...
you know what i would love to see...abreu goes to the tigers, where he hits leadoff for jim leyland...and the tigers win the series.
you know what i would love to see...abreu goes to the tigers, where he hits leadoff for jim leyland...and the tigers win the series.
me too
Quote from: Wingspan on June 24, 2006, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2006, 01:39:38 AM
And you see some chicks who get the tar beaten out of them and refuse to leave the guy. Its their fault after the first time.
from the outside, its easy to think that way. but i do a lot of volunteer work for groups that get women out of situations like that. and it's amazing to me the total amount of fear that iceholes like myers put into women. they are convinced that the way to make it stop is to make them happy, they feel that if they do leave, they will only be attacked harder...it's total fear for their lives.
myers is a despicable human being...farg him.
i hope that peice of trash pops a few ligaments in his arm.
I just don't understand the thought process though. Stay with the guy and get the snot beaten out of you or leave him and not have to make up excuses as to why you have a shiner or your lip is fat. And I don't buy the fear thing either. What would I fear more?
Getting whupped on or leaving the person and being single? And if the woman is afraid of being single then she has deeper issues.
Another thing that pisses me off about these domestic violence issues, well two actually;
1. All a woman has to do to ruin a guys life is to cry domestic violence. How many times have you see where something goes down, a big argument or something, where no punches are thrown but the guy pushes the lady to get away? Or some little contact like that? She dials 911 and the cops show up and arrest the guy. Once you have a domestic violence arrest hanging around your neck, you're done in a lot of fields of work. And in law enforcement or any career where you have to handle firearms you're done.
I had a Sgt. in Texas who had this happen to him. One of the nicest guys you'd ever meet. He gets into an argument with his old lady and she hits him. He then shoves her away and they lock him up.
2. And this is where the other thing comes into play...some women will not hesitate to take a swing at their man. Some feel that they can swing and not get into trouble. All they have to do is cry to the cops and the guy is hauled off.
Once again...I do not condone any of this crap. But I've seen it up close and personal and I will never understand why a woman will stay with a guy who unloads on her. Fear schmear. If he hits you, leave his ass. If you stay with him then it is no ones fault other than yours if it happens again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2006, 05:14:15 PM
another sickening loss
21 left on base....21!!
the phillies best players wish they had one ounce of the blood that runs thru david ortiz veins
instead they have mutts like chase utley...something is seriously worng when hes your 'clutch' player...hes no different than burrell abreu or anyone else...well maybe burrell hes the biggest dog ive seen in a long long time...but anyway utleys numbers are just as hollow as all the rest...yet hes tough and clutch...farg that shtein...
But Chase is totally gritty and clutch and he hustles!
This entire team is at fault for the way they have played. No one is exempt from ciriticism. No one. Howard's defense is atrocious. Utley is slumping. Abreu's defense is terrible. Burrell is still a K machine and cannot drive the ball unless he pulls it. Bell is shtein. I could go on.
What could the Tigers give for Bobby A?
They have some nice young pitching. But would Bobby go to Detroit?
QuoteChris Coste hit a one-out single up the middle. Jimmy Rollins followed with a double off the Green Monster in left-center. Centerfielder Coco Crisp held up his glove as if he had a chance to make the catch. Coste bought the fake and slowed before he reached second base.
If Coste had kept running and reached third by the time Crisp, who doesn't have a strong arm, played the ball off the wall, third-base coach Bill Dancy might have sent him home.
Instead, the Phillies had runners on second and third. Chase Utley then bounced a ball to shortstop Alex Gonzalez, and Coste, who was running on contact, was easily thrown out at the plate. Rollins stayed at second, which had the coaches in the dugout going nuts.
"He has to come over on that play," manager Charlie Manuel said. "That's how you play the game."
Rollins explained.
"It's in front of me," he said. "I'm in [Gonzalez's] line. I don't want to run, have him catch the ball, tag me, and still have a chance to go home. I was going to stay. That doesn't win or lose the game right there. We still had the bases loaded with the opportunity to win the game. We had a couple opportunities, but if they want to glare at that, that's fine."
Manuel said afterward that he isn't losing his patience, but he is tired of excuses.
"Do it," he said. "You're supposed to get it done. When you start saying why - why you didn't do something, why I didn't throw the ball here, why I didn't cover first base, why I didn't hit the cutoff - it's not why. Why isn't in the game. You do it. You're supposed to do it. That's one of our problems. I can say that very honestly. I don't make excuses for nothing, and I never will. We're supposed to get it done. We're a major-league baseball team, and you don't have to explain why you didn't do something."
Is he hearing too many excuses and not enough accountability? What does he want to hear?
"I want to hear we'll get it done," he said.
Excellent statement by Charlie.
And like Ken Rosenthal said on FOX, the SP's ERA and the lack of hitting with RISP is not the managers fault.
That goes back to what I say to those who want Charlie gone -- its the players. Anyone who can't see that is blind as farg. Basically the same core group of bums did the same shtein under Bowa. The only difference is instead of making excuses about why they didn't do something in the game, they whined and pisses and moaned about Bowa.
Chase Utley's in a slump so all of the sudden he's never been anything and he's not clutch.
Utley is more clutch than Bobby A could ever dream about being, not like Bobby dreams about that stuff, because he doesn't care if they win or lose, just so he gets his numbers. Oh, and Bobby's awful defense has led people to not realize that he's having a bad offensive year. .290 average and 8 HR from your 3 hole hitter? That's awful. Oh wait, he walks a million times, just what you want from you third hitter.
QuoteHurt fan is hospitalized and angry with Phillies
By Michael Currie Schaffer and Julie Shaw
Inquirer Staff Writers
* Shooed by the Sox, Phils lose 12th out of last 15
* Hurt fan is hospitalized and angry with Phillies
* Jim Salisbury | Sour note: Myers says all the wrong things.
* On Baseball | Three-way tie for first?
* Incites | Interleague play sells tickets, and that's all that matters
* Box score: Red Sox 5, Phillies 3 (10)
The injury happened not far from home plate in the ninth inning of a game last Sunday, a collision of ball and bone that sent blood squirting and put its victim in the hospital.
But the injured party wasn't a burly catcher or a beaned batter. Rather, it was a fan, Sherry McGoldrick, 42, of Dover, Del., whose face wound up in the middle of a foul ball's descent back to earth. "I didn't see it until it was an inch from my face," she said.
On Friday, McGoldrick was still at Thomas Jefferson University Hospital. She said the ball broke her nose, her sinus bone, her left eye-socket bone. She has blood clots in her left eye.
McGoldrick said she was angry that she had yet to hear from the Phillies about the accident at Citizens Bank Park. "I think it's terrible how they're treating the fans," she said. "I'm appalled."
The Phillies see it differently. Team spokesman Larry Shenk said he was unaware of McGoldrick's situation, but noted that an announcement before every game warns fans to beware of batted balls, and that the team's tickets come with a warning on the back:
"Holder assumes all risk incident to attending a baseball game, whether occurring before, during, or after the game (including without limitation from thrown or batted balls, thrown bats or fragments thereof and spectators' conduct) and releases The Phillies, the opposing club and their respective players from liability therefor."
Shenk said the team received several calls from McGoldrick's family, focusing on whether it would pay medical expenses. As a rule, he said, they do not.
what a dumb twat. pay attention at the games and this shtein won't happen to you.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 25, 2006, 10:43:44 AM
what a dumb twat. pay attention at the games and this shtein won't happen to you.
Yup.
They make an announcement before the game and its written on the back of your ticket. Plus, how are they suppose to know the status of every foul ball hit and every fan in the stadium?
Today's game is rained out, rescheduled for tomorrow afternoon
People like that anger me. In fact, I'm glad she got hit in the face. I hope it happens again.
These people who go the game to just be seen there or to socialize and not pay attention deserve what they get. That includes an ejection on the first pitch hit down the line that is in play until the know-nothing icehole leans over the fence to try to grab the ball.
Pay attention, dipshteins.
Know what would make me feel even better?
If this chick was on a cell phone and trying to wave at little Johnny at home when the ball crushed her face.
They want the Phillies to pay for medical expenses?
Farging idiots.
i could seriously see MLB having fans sign waivers when they get into the ballparks in the near future
It's already on the ticket. You agree to the rules when you use the ticket and walk through the gates...
ok, so I didnt read it...wheres my signature?
Its all about the almighty John Hancock in a court of law
Quote from: reese125 on June 26, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
ok, so I didnt read it...wheres my signature?
Its all about the almighty John Hancock in a court of law
not for this.
besides they make the announcement before every game as well. it's a binding agreement when you buy the tickets.
-- Madson is being skipped this week. Myers will start on Thursday.
-- The Women Against Abuse hate Myers too (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-06262006-675625.html)
-- Manuel says it's not his fault the team stinks (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-06262006-675609.html)
Blah, blah, blah.
The Phillies suck.
When's training camp start?
:cfhead
Are the Bums being televised today? Its not showing up on my program guide.
CSN
Rowand called off Abreu and caught a fly ball, but Abreu ran into him and knocked the ball loose :-D
Still 0-0 after 2 though
Rowand probably started the going back to the white sox rumors.
i bet he walks in every day saying "just what the hell have i gotten myself into"
Typical Phils game. Wasted scoring chances, then the pitcher gets tired and gives up the lead, then the bullpen throws gas on the fire. 6-0 Sox
Wow they suck.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 26, 2006, 03:14:47 PM
Wow they suck.
So how will it take before you guys drop the 'Wow' from these statements? I mean really. It's been 12 years since they did anything remotely interesting...
6-5 now, top of 7th with 2 outs
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 26, 2006, 03:40:06 PM
6-5 now, top of 7th with 2 outs
You seriously think they will end up winning? Don't get your hopes up, champ.
what about my singular sentence stating the exact situation of the game ever led you to believe that i thought they would end up winning?
The fact that you're still checking the score means that you believe.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 26, 2006, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 26, 2006, 03:14:47 PM
Wow they suck.
So how will it take before you guys drop the 'Wow' from these statements? I mean really. It's been 12 years since they did anything remotely interesting...
The 'Wow' was more of a sarcastic display of emotion than it was an actual expression.
Burrell is brutal.
im not checking anything, the game's been on the radio the whole time
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 26, 2006, 03:51:32 PM
im not checking anything, the game's been on the radio the whole time
Right, you're listening after they were down 6-0, so you still believe. You'd have switched to music by now if you didn't.
Stop pretending you're not an eternal optimist.
Chase Utley, clutch homerun, game tied
They will lose, which you already know.
f'ing mood swings with this team
Howard and Burrell each work full counts then K looking
Time for the Sox to win it here
i love how delucci was 2-2 and has been playing decently recently at the DH spot and then was pinch hit for by burrell.
did ryan howard really just try to bunt??
J-roll with a go-ahead double
7-6 Phils
jimmy rollins is the best ever.
The best .270 hitter ever, that is.
2 out single by Youclitoris, game tied
David Ortiz is absolutely the anti-Phillie
Trade Burrell
Bums lose. What a great effort.
big papi
David Ortiz is absolutely the anti-Phillie
Hes the anti-every team. the guy is a freak
Ha. The sportscaster on the local D.C news station was making fun of the Phillies while showing highlights. I laughed. Losers.
Quote from: reese125 on June 26, 2006, 06:37:09 PM
David Ortiz is absolutely the anti-Phillie
Hes the anti-every team. the guy is a freak
The point is that he's clutch, which is totally unlike a Phillies player.
BTW, I should add that the fact you've started "quoting" in IGY style does not make you cool.
I should add that the fact you've started "quoting" in IGY style does not make you cool.
not only that but hes repeating the exact things ive said 48 hrs after ive said them
get off the bozack son
wha whaaaat? what the hell have I said that you have. Trust me, I dont share alot of your thoughts guy, but if I do happen to catch a couple, dont start breakdancing just yet.
that might be the corniest thing I ever read that I took someones quoting style...wow
Quote from: reese125 on June 26, 2006, 06:37:09 PM
David Ortiz is absolutely the anti-Phillie
Hes the anti-every team. the guy is a freak
You could also say the Phillies are the anti-team. They are worse playing together than the sum of their individual talent. The stink is infectious.
My boss thinks the reason why the bums are losing is the blue bill on their hats. Or is it that they just plain suck.
I like the blue bill hats. What I don't like is that they put the star in the middle of the P. That is gay.
Anyone remember the all blue hats they wore in 1994? I liked those.
It's time to start trading players away.
Burrell is number one who I want gone.
They could trade pretty much everyone except for Rollins, Howard, Utley and Rowand for all I care. They might as well trade Gordon too. Even though he's been money this year is does them no good to have a solid closer when they aren't leading in the 9th.
And he'll be older next year and we don't know if he'll be money.
They have enough $$$$ with Lieberthal, Wolf and Bell coming off the books to sign someone else.
I'd look to deal Gordon, Burrell, Abreu, Rhodes, Lidle and Lieber ASAP. LIeber would have to prove that he' recovered from the groin injury first though. he could have value on the open market for a team like the Red Sox or Tigers looking to strengthen the rotation for a playoff run.
I wouldn't deal Hamels though.
1B - Howard
2B - Utley
3B - TBD
SS - Rollins
LF - Victorino
CF - Rowand
RF - TBD
C - TBD
SP - Hamels
SP - Myers
SP - TBD
SP - TBD
SP - TBD
I would put Mathieson in the closers role and see if he can handle it ala Papelbon. Madson might be one of the SP's next year. He needs to be put in there now and let him pitch. Who cares if he's smoked. Bonderman was killed in DET his rookie year and he is now a very good pitcher.
farg myers
no way is victorino an everyday player
We don't know that yet. He could be. But there is only one way to find out - put him in there and find out.
If they trade Patricia this year then Victorino gets the rest of the season to prove himself.
But if they solidify the C, 3B and other spots next year they could get away with Shane being the LF. His defense is good and he can run the bases. So he'd be the #8 hitter.
the most popular player on the team is always the backup.
Wow. What a bunch of losers. I've been watching hilights of the games on phillies.com. I am dumbfounded that they pitched to Ortiz in a 7-7 game with 1st base open. Manuel is a moron.
Still, I'm convinced that Gillick simply doesn't care anymore about this group. This really isnt Manuel's fault. He cant be held responsible for crappy starting pitching, an awful bullpen, and everyone (EVERYONE) sucking donkey balls with runners in scoring position. But, he does continue to make idiotic moves like pitching to Ortiz in that spot. Thus, I couldnt care less of his slack jawled ass is canned.
I'm glad I'm missing this. I'll be home this weekend, so I'll probably be able to catch the game sunday. Should be fun.
the most popular player on the team is always the backup.
yup...that being said id have no problem with giving victorino the rest of the year out there...but come on...hes a three time rule 5 player...i dont see him amounting to anything but a good bench guy
I am dumbfounded that they pitched to Ortiz in a 7-7 game with 1st base open. Manuel is a moron.
i cant get over that he had ryan howard sacrifice bunting
he didn't have Howard bunting...Howard tried it once on his own because the entire left side of the infield was open
Phillies suck.
i dont believe that...but even if true that might be worse that howard could think he would be allowed to go up and do that...
i think he was 0-5 at the time and was trying to surprise the Sox. i know that you don't want your power hitter bunting, ever, but i can understand what he was thinking.
Charlie got suspended for tonight's game. We might win
Yeah, I thought Howard did that on his own. I remember people used to scream for Thome to do that just to get a runner on when they put on the shift.
As for Victorino, yes he was a Rule V guy and yes we don't know what he is all about as a FTP yet.
But if his good defense and speed on the bases are his best assets and he can hit .270ish I would have no problem with him being in LF as long as they address other areas. If they get a real C and 3B and a RH bat to play RF in place of Bobby A, then I give Vic the job. He bats 8th.
Suspended for what?
Arguing?
arguing with the ump vs Tampa Bay
Next step?
Getting suspended by Gillick for berating his bitchass players.
Myers takes personal leave of absence ala Tim Worrell (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2502132)
A guy on the Phils MB mentioned this earlier today. Good to see him taking time to get things right. Or as right as he canb get them right now. He needs counseling (anger management).
Bring up Gio Gonzalez.
Let him take his lumps and be ready for next year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2006, 04:29:08 PM
Myers takes personal leave of absence ala Tim Worrell (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2502132)
A guy on the Phils MB mentioned this earlier today. Good to see him taking time to get things right. Or as right as he canb get them right now. He needs counseling (anger management).
i hope the shteinhead ODs
The Phils' official statement:
QuoteThe Phillies have agreed to Brett Myers' request for time off to concentrate on personal matters associated with his arrest in Boston last week. He is expected to be off for two and one-half weeks, through the All Star Break, until July 14. The Phillies have made available appropriate, professional, employee assistance resources to help Brett and Kim Myers in these circumstances.
After last Friday, the Phillies did not comment further on the events surrounding the arrest of Brett Myers out of respect for the Myers' privacy and because there is a criminal prosecution pending. Likewise, the Phillies did not summarily suspend Brett Myers immediately upon his arrest, prior to any judicial determination of guilt or complete evaluation of the entire matter. Such a decision, unfortunately, has been portrayed or interpreted as the Phillies indifference to problems of spousal abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. We abhor such violence and recognize that it is a very serious problem affecting a substantial number of victims, particularly women, across the country.
If we have been guilty of delay in expressing these sentiments, we are sorry. We have been engaged in a difficult balancing of concerns for the rights of our employee, the presumption of innocence, the rights of his spouse, and the legitimate public concern about allegations of spousal abuse by a Phillies ballplayer. We believe that the present status, including a public apology by Brett Myers, time off from baseball, professional assistance for Brett and Kim Myers, and this statement achieves the appropriate balance for now.
David Montgomery
President
The Phillies
Phils rained out tonight in Baltimore.
Day-nighter starting at 1335 tomorrow.
They called her Kim Myers, but that's not her name.
The Phillies stink.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2006, 06:21:26 PM
Phils rained out tonight in Baltimore.
Day-nighter starting at 1335 tomorrow.
:-D
Just you wait, Romey. My training camp updates are coming up and I will be sure to date them as such;
27 June 2006
I use military time all day everyday. You laughing at me hurts. It cuts deep, man. :(
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4-0 Orioles already
pat burrell is the anti joe mauer
two k's today makes it six in the last seven at bats
phils down 4-0 and have only two hits thru 4
theyve plain given up
Now it's 6-0
(http://philanthropy.mlblogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bell500px.jpg)
6-0 now.
hamels is pitching differently, and has been in his last 3 starts. he's taking longer between pitches. i can't beleive the pitching coach is going to farg him up too.
:-D @ that pic of bell. thats now my desktop image.
this farging team. i hate this franchise. i actually rooting for them to lose, i want to see lots of empty seats at the stadium when the come back home.
i was going to go tonight but i'm afraid of water.
i had a chance to get free front row tickets on the phils dugout for todays game but couldnt take off work
ill be there tonite and tomorrow nite
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2006, 03:35:17 PM
At least we have Pat Gillick now and he has the balls to do stuff and fight for what he wants.
i would like to take an opportunity to point out that the only non-call-up move made by gillick since this post was the signing of a releif pitcher who hasnt even been brought in in 7 days.
HE HAS BALLS!
2 run HR Pat Burrell! Down 7 runs in the 8th, way to come through in the clutch there Pat.
Phillies suck.
its easy to hit homers when the pitcher is groovin fastballs up seven runs
I love the intensity our boys are playing with. Charlie's really got them fired up. Go Phils!
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 28, 2006, 03:16:51 PM
i had a chance to get free front row tickets on the phils dugout for todays game but couldnt take off work
ill be there tonite and tomorrow nite
You aren't watching the draft??
Dude... not cool.
:boo
i could not care less about the draft...except when the sixers pick...and i not staying home to watch five minutes of sixer picks
i will tivo however
holla
Varsho sucks too.
7-4 final, Phils hold a .002 lead over THE REBUILDING FLORIDA MARLINS for 2nd place
Quote from: Wingspan on June 28, 2006, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2006, 03:35:17 PM
At least we have Pat Gillick now and he has the balls to do stuff and fight for what he wants.
i would like to take an opportunity to point out that the only non-call-up move made by gillick since this post was the signing of a releif pitcher who hasnt even been brought in in 7 days.
HE HAS BALLS!
Let's wait before organizing the lynch mob. His job really starts when he gets to pick his manager and have some cash to play with.
Well, I take that back a little bit. He has to parlay some of these clowns into something for next year. He has to sell.
Mathieson is at 51 pitches already in the 3rd with 0 outs.
Phils losing 2-1.
And its raining. Mother Nature can't even bear to watch this group of dickbags anymore.
Edit - its now 3-1 with a runner on 2nd.
rain delay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2006, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 28, 2006, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2006, 03:35:17 PM
At least we have Pat Gillick now and he has the balls to do stuff and fight for what he wants.
i would like to take an opportunity to point out that the only non-call-up move made by gillick since this post was the signing of a releif pitcher who hasnt even been brought in in 7 days.
HE HAS BALLS!
Let's wait before organizing the lynch mob. His job really starts when he gets to pick his manager and have some cash to play with.
Well, I take that back a little bit. He has to parlay some of these clowns into something for next year. He has to sell.
you keep believing that. i for one, am not fooled any longer.
they had obvious holes when this team was somehow only 1.5 games out. and NOTHING has been done by gillick. besides, we all know gillick is only hear on a two year deal, then the reigns are being handed to reuben amaro jr.
this team will never change as long montgomery is here
Quote from: Wingspan on June 28, 2006, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2006, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 28, 2006, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2006, 03:35:17 PM
At least we have Pat Gillick now and he has the balls to do stuff and fight for what he wants.
i would like to take an opportunity to point out that the only non-call-up move made by gillick since this post was the signing of a releif pitcher who hasnt even been brought in in 7 days.
HE HAS BALLS!
Let's wait before organizing the lynch mob. His job really starts when he gets to pick his manager and have some cash to play with.
Well, I take that back a little bit. He has to parlay some of these clowns into something for next year. He has to sell.
this team will never change as long montgomery is here
I know he needs to be gone. HIm and the rest of the losers who own the team.
btw...i dont think gillick is that bad of a GM...i think he's being told not to deal certian players. gillick was just a hire to appease the fans, the face changed, but the results are still the same.
although, other than rowand and tom gordon. not one of gillicks offseason moves have worked out at all. gonzalez, nunez, franklin, fatsano...
9-3 baltimore
the phils are heading to the world series!
fasano still loves you wingspan :-*
:-D
and another :-D for the game, the O's go up 9-3 and at the end of the inning the stadium is playing the theme from rocky
Bases loaded, 0 outs, and they failed to score again :-D
fargin david bell sucks. :boom
well the golden boys arent doing very well either. victorino has farged up at least twice in the second game...and utley cant seem to do anything.
oh yeah...and trade abreu :P
i think i just heard an eagles chant in baltimore...igy...that you?
Take 'em out back and shoot 'em. Shoot the bitches dead.
Hamels: "Seriously, I suck."
great
For those that missed it, Myers was sent down to Clearwater (but won't pitch there) to open a roster spot for.....ADAM BERNERO! :D
That's right. A major league baseball team with a $95M payroll is currently sending out a rotation of Lidle/Hamels/Mathieson/Madson/Bernero..... :'(
Bases loaded, 0 outs, and they failed to score again
whats classic phillie is that they hit a solo homer right before loading the bases and failing to score
i think i just heard an eagles chant in baltimore...igy...that you?
no i went dolo last night...but i did hear them...will be rockin my carmichael johnson tonight...leaving work at 1 to get nice and toasted pregame so listen for me tonight
"rockin the carmichael johnson"
Super.
I go on vacation for an entire week, and the Phillies can't even muster ONE FREAKING WIN?
:-D :boom :'( This team is beyond repair.
They need this:
(http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/classroom/pages/projects/grade9/lesson4/graphics/nuclear-explosion1.jpg)
sadly except for the birds....every team in the city needs that...
no more like.....
(http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/1-14-05/thumb_Firey_bird.jpg)
Quote from: reese125 on June 29, 2006, 10:41:33 AM
no more like.....
(http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/1-14-05/thumb_Firey_bird.jpg)
That should be your avatar.
don't blow them up. let them stay exactly how they are right now. that way the stadium will be empty, and in 2 years once the owners start losing money, they'll sell this team to someone who gives a shtein.
let them lose. farg em, they arent stealing my money.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 29, 2006, 11:00:49 AM
don't blow them up. let them stay exactly how they are right now. that way the stadium will be empty, and in 2 years once the owners start losing money, they'll sell this team to someone who gives a shtein.
let them lose. farg em, they arent stealing my money.
I can honestly say that I haven't spent a cent on Phillies stuff this year, other than their share of the MLB Extra Innings package. Since I love baseball in general, I watch most of the good matchups.
Wow. This team is farging awful. Kill me.
Quote from: MDS on June 29, 2006, 12:16:26 PM
Wow. This team is farging awful. Kill me.
You don't get to die for their sins. That's the messiah's job that hasn't returned yet, according to your faith.
It's jewtastic.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 29, 2006, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 29, 2006, 12:16:26 PM
Wow. This team is farging awful. Kill me.
That's the messiah's job that hasn't returned arrived yet, according to your faith.
get it right
That's the messiah's job that hasn't arrived yet
bullshtein
(http://www.outsports.com/entertainment/jeremyshirtless.jpg)
I call for a total boycott of everything Phillies until they fire Montgomery and get rid of that wife beater white trash pile of crap Myers (and also gut the entire pitching staff outside of Gordon and Hamels, Loserthal, Bell, Burrell, Nunez, Coste, Fatsano....).
I call for a total boycott of everything Phillies until they fire Montgomery and get rid of that wife beater white trash pile of crap Myers
one question....would i be allowed to go tonight since my ticket money is going to the o's?
what section you in? i'll look for you.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 29, 2006, 12:41:19 PM
what section you in? i'll look for you.
He'll be in the socks 'n sandals section.
what section you in? i'll look for you.
we dont have tickets yet we are gonna hit a happy hour and them buy cheap seats....are you gettin down there early enough for beers?
He'll be in the socks 'n sandals section.
lol
Quote from: MDS on June 29, 2006, 12:36:47 PM
I call for a total boycott of everything Phillies until they fire Montgomery and get rid of that wife beater white trash pile of crap Myers (and also gut the entire pitching staff outside of Gordon and Hamels, Loserthal, Bell, Burrell, Nunez, Coste, Fatsano....).
thats easy when you dont have a job 10 months out of the year
Haigwood traded to Texas for RHP Fabio Castro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7688)
wtf
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 29, 2006, 02:23:40 PM
Haigwood traded to Texas for RHP Fabio Castro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7688)
wtf
funny
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 29, 2006, 02:23:40 PM
Haigwood traded to Texas for RHP Fabio Castro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7688)
wtf
i guess we shouldnt have bought into the crap fed about the prospects sent over from the thome trade.
oh...and this new diamond in bear shtein was last involved in this transaction
QuoteFabio Castro was DFA'd to make room for Robinson Tejeda on the 25 man roster.
:-D
gillick is losin' it
Quick correction: he's a lefty reliever, not righty
He was on the White Sox last year and could have been included in the Thome deal originally. Since he's a Rule V guy, he has to stay on the roster the rest of the year. Great. Could it be the start of the purge, beginning with Cormier and/or Rhodes?
well after what floyd and hamels have done id trade all the prospects too
off to the game
peacers
THEY WON! :o
4-0 shutout. Madson dominates, goes 8.2, but needs Gordon to finish off Tejada
meh.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 29, 2006, 09:34:31 PM
THEY WON! :o
4-0 shutout. Madson dominates, goes 8.2, but needs Gordon to finish off Tejada
Where in the HECK has that been all season? That was what I hoped for in March.
Listening to Manuel trying to speak right now on Comcast is atrocious
duh duh duh...thats why you have losing streaks....thats why you have BAD winning streaks..
what the?
making fun of accents is so in right now too.
if only it were an accent
Madson will get killed his next time out. Watch.
And why trade Haigwood? I don't like that. For a LHRP?
Maybe Haigwood sucks.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 29, 2006, 09:34:31 PM
THEY WON! :o
4-0 shutout. Madson dominates, goes 8.2, but needs Gordon to finish off Tejada
bandaid on a shotgun wound
Anyone read Conlins article today? What a pathetic organization.
I don't need to read any more articles to know that.
This Bernero guy did OK with batting practice. So when does the game start tonight?
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 30, 2006, 08:26:12 PM
This Bernero guy did OK with batting practice. So when does the game start tonight?
What a way to start his Phillies career. 36.00 ERA. He'll fit right in.
Too bad this game wasn't on the satellite.
Ha! This team is a laughing stock! Blow it up!
I'm not surprised they lost. Keep on losing, iceholes. July 31 is gettin closer.
I feel bad for Manuel. Guy has no shot and will probably be the scapegoat of this mess.
WHEN DOES TRAINING CAMP START?
i heard on jody mac's show from one of the philths beat writers that they don't ever have any kind of infield practice at the major league level outside of spring traingin.
you'd think with the all the lead gloves in the infield, the phils would maybe think of holding a practice once in a while
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2006, 11:31:29 AM
I feel bad for Manuel. Guy has no shot and will probably be the scapegoat of this mess.
wow...i actually agree with you.
manuel isnt the greatest manager by any stretch of the imagination...but he is also far from the reason they are where they are.
this is on grand master gillick's shoulders.
but then again, this is basically the same team we've seen for the past 12+ years and should really surprise no one.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 01, 2006, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2006, 11:31:29 AM
I feel bad for Manuel. Guy has no shot and will probably be the scapegoat of this mess.
wow...i actually agree with you.
manuel isnt the greatest manager by any stretch of the imagination...but he is also far from the reason they are where they are.
this is on grand master gillick's shoulders.
but then again, this is basically the same team we've seen for the past 12+ years and should really surprise no one.
Gillick gets a mulligan this year......sort of. He inherited a huge mess of a team. I'd like to see what he does by the trading deadline just to see if there's any sign of hope in the near future. This coming offseason is when I really expect to see him make a true impact.
The REBUILDING Marlins are now in 2nd place :-D
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 01, 2006, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 01, 2006, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2006, 11:31:29 AM
I feel bad for Manuel. Guy has no shot and will probably be the scapegoat of this mess.
wow...i actually agree with you.
manuel isnt the greatest manager by any stretch of the imagination...but he is also far from the reason they are where they are.
this is on grand master gillick's shoulders.
but then again, this is basically the same team we've seen for the past 12+ years and should really surprise no one.
Gillick gets a mulligan this year......sort of. He inherited a huge mess of a team. I'd like to see what he does by the trading deadline just to see if there's any sign of hope in the near future. This coming offseason is when I really expect to see him make a true impact.
sorry, don't buy that. the team wasnt that much of a "mess" the farm teams? yes. but the major league team? no, it was a above average group that really everyone said they just wanted a few additions to make a run for a team that was 1 game from the postseason. gillick was said (by himself as well) that he was the one who could do that.
pitching was a need. and where did that wind up? Ryan Franklin?
catching was a need. and we got sal fatsano ::)
3B was a need...and david bell is still there almost every day.
gordon for wagner has been an even swap.
rowand for michaels/lofton has also been an even swap (actually the offense is down from the CF spot...but we're not allowed to talk about that because rowand likes running into walls, and thats cool philly AD-EE-TOOD.)
arthor rhodes? please. Alex Gonzalez? lol.
delucci is turning into an ok player...but was terrible for about 2 months because he was pissy about being traded the day before the season started.
padilla was traded away because the Hoydas in the locker room didnt like him (meanwhile he would be the #1 guy right now) and there was NOTHING in return.
gillick has so far made this team worse. take away gordon and rowand, and every aquisition has been a total bust.
it's the quickest to 43 losses since 2002
77th game 2006
86th game 2005
91st game 2004
98th game 2003
78th game 2002
Quote from: Wingspan on July 01, 2006, 01:14:05 PM
gordon for wagner has been an even swap.
rowand for michaels/lofton has also been an even swap (actually the offense is down from the CF spot...but we're not allowed to talk about that because rowand likes running into walls, and thats cool philly AD-EE-TOOD.)
are you one of those guys who hates players that the fans love because they play hard?
talk about Rowand's average offense all you want, that was known going in. but to call Lofton's defense and Rowand's defense the same is just wrong.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 01, 2006, 01:22:56 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 01, 2006, 01:14:05 PM
gordon for wagner has been an even swap.
rowand for michaels/lofton has also been an even swap (actually the offense is down from the CF spot...but we're not allowed to talk about that because rowand likes running into walls, and thats cool philly AD-EE-TOOD.)
are you one of those guys who hates players that the fans love because they play hard?
talk about Rowand's average offense all you want, that was known going in. but to call Lofton's defense and Rowand's defense the same is just wrong.
you're reading too much into my comment. i like rowand a lot, and it was a good trade. i am talking about gillick here, and his non-improvement over last season. the good players gillick has managed to bring in for this season, offset the losses from last season, they are not out and out improvements. the record thus far is proof of that.
rowand was a good aquisition. but he wasnt replacing total crap. thats my point.
if rowand played 3B and replaced david bell, the aquiring of rowand would look that much better. i am not bashing rowand.
it basically comes down to two things...that gillick has lost it. or that gillicks hands are tied, and if that is the case, nothing will ever change.
i got you, i am just irritated with some fans who hate Rowand because of what he did and that makes him a fan favorite, i thought you were going that way.
as far as Charlie, this clearly is not all his fault. but just when you want to take him off the hook, he does stupid shtein like continueing to put Jimmy Rollins at the lead off spot and mismanaging the pitching staff. i think the perfect way to sum up Charlie is that he isn't the problem, but he sure doesn't do anything to help the problem either.
In some ways, Wingspan, Gillicks hands were tied by contracts that were still around from the Wade era. Bell, Lieberthal, Burrell and the lot have a lot of money already spent, and it was fairly well known that the Skinflints weren't going to be loosening the pursestrings any this season.
Trading Crazy Vicente was a mistake, though his numbers aren't that much better (7-5, 4.47) than those currently found among the Phils' current ragarms. The mistake was more in the line of getting rid of a starting pitcher without at least a comparable replacement.
I'm willing to give Gillick the benefit of the doubt for this season. THIS offseason is when he can start cleaning house. Some of those huge contracts start coming off the books.
This month starts the true test of Gillick. In a year's time, we'll know if he's on the right track, or if it's time to firebomb CBP and beg the Athletics to come back. Blow it up, find a sucker to take Burrell, give Lieberthal his FA, get younger and rebuild. AND FIND A THIRD BASEMAN THAT DOESN'T WANT ME TO THROW MY TV OUT THE WINDOW!
Looking at another sweep after a 5-2 loss and A.J. Burnett going against Ryan Franklin tomorrow
First time in Phils history that they won't win any of their six interleague series...
I'm rooting against the Phillies hardcore right now. I hope they lose every game for the rest of the season. Sometimes you need to take 10 steps back to take 1 step forward. This thing just needs to get as bad as it has ever been for major changes to be made. Maybe if the Phillies lose out the season, then we can get a change of ownership.
Also I hope they deal everyone at the deadline besides Howard and Utley. Just clean house and start over.
This teams makes me sick that they are a part of this city. I'm ashamed that I'm been a fan of them for all these years.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 01, 2006, 07:24:01 PM
This teams makes me sick that they are a part of this city. I'm ashamed that I'm been a fan of them for all these years.
Yeah, because the rest of the city's teams have been lighting it up with championship after championship.
Exactly. The Phillies are the only team in a championship slump right now.
Ha. I'm home for the next day or two and I have zero interest in watching any of the game tomorrow. I'll probably stumble over just to see some Wheels.
I haven't watched one second of Phillies baseball since they lost that Mets series.
I don't miss it at all. I might not watch another game again.
I'm thinking of trying to become a Devil Rays fan. Any tips, Romey?
Hey, the Rays finally got their #1 overall pick from 1999 to stay off drugs and rejoin the minor league teams, so there's someone to root for. Name's Josh Hamilton and he's JD Drew with tattoos...and drugs...
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 02, 2006, 06:39:55 AM
I'm thinking of trying to become a Devil Rays fan. Any tips, Romey?
Sure. Stop confusing MLB with the NBA.
lock?
It burns when I pee.
3-3 top 4. I'm about to hear Wheels!!!
Phils win 11-6
Expect Utley, Howard and Gordon to be named to the All-Star team tonight :yay
None of them deserve it.
Three players from a team like that making the All Star Squad is ludicrous.
I don't care what type of individual accomplishments they've attained. The Phillies suck and all the players on the team, even those who are having stand-out seasons statisically speaking, are collectively at fault for that.
Utley is the best 2nd basemen in baseball. Only he deserves to go. Howard is awsome, but the team sucks and he has about 10 cbp homers this year.
Let me repeat this... I don't care about personal accomplishments. The Phillies have been a total bust this year. As a team, the Phillies sucked more cock than Jenna Jameson after an eight ball of coke and a bottle of Jack Daniel's.
None of them deserve to go to the All Star game because their team hasn't accomplished anything other than becoming the most overpaid collection of stiffs in the Major Leagues.
Gordon, Utley and Howard have all had stellar years thus far statistically speaking, however, having three players represent the Phillies after their team has sucked so utterly this season is a joke, IMO.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 02, 2006, 05:05:05 PM
Let me repeat this... I don't care about personal accomplishments.
it's an ALL STAR game, ass.
:-D
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 02, 2006, 06:01:50 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 02, 2006, 05:05:05 PM
Let me repeat this... I don't care about personal accomplishments.
it's an ALL STAR game, ass.
Edited - you're not worth it.
Three players from a 37-44 team made it to an All-Star team.
Yeah, they deserve it.
A 4th is possible. Abreu is one of the five possibilities for the 32nd person....
Stuff the ballotbox!
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 02, 2006, 08:01:44 PM
A 4th is possible. Abreu is one of the five possibilities for the 32nd person....
Ha.
Awesome.
:yay
Howard is in the HR derby too
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 02, 2006, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 02, 2006, 06:01:50 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 02, 2006, 05:05:05 PM
Let me repeat this... I don't care about personal accomplishments.
it's an ALL STAR game, ass.
Edited - you're not worth it.
Three players from a 37-44 team made it to an All-Star team.
Yeah, they deserve it.
Then tell us all why those three players stats don't make them worthy of the team?
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 02, 2006, 08:20:23 PM
Howard is in the HR derby too
Damn, there goes the rest of his season.
He'll probably win the HRD. And then tank the rest of the year.
And Romey, an All-Star game is all about personal achievements. All three of those guys deserve to go.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 02, 2006, 07:43:55 PM
Edited - you're not worth it.
Three players from a 37-44 team made it to an All-Star team.
Yeah, they deserve it.
i'm not worth it? i'm crushed.
how can you not understand the concept of an all-star game? it's the best players from the 1st half of the season. not the best players on the best teams. the Phillies are awful, no doubt, but each of the players chosen have had very good to great first halves. all three deserve it and for you to say otherwise because of the team's record is just plain stupid.
Baseball is a team game. The team that they play for has been a crushing failure.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I already acknowledged that statistically speaking, they're all having good years. However, I think it's ridiculous that three (possibly even four) players from a team that has gone 37-44 in the first half of the season make an all-star team.
I don't think my position is stupid at all. I think that it's a reasonable position to take considering what the team has accomplished over the course of the first three months of this season.
As for you, Mo, I don't know why you think it's necessary to attack me personally every time you disagree with something I've posted. If you have a difference of opinion, try stating it without resorting to acting like an eight year-old.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 03, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
As for you, Mo, I don't know why you think it's necessary to attack me personally every time you disagree with something I've posted. If you have a difference of opinion, try stating it without resorting to acting like an eight year-old.
how have i attacked your personally? if me calling you an ass is a personal attack to you, then you have the sensitivites of a woman. but why, why would i have a problem with you directly? i dunno, maybe because when i challenge you on your opinions on this board and explore you're flawed logic, you run and hide until I am on the EMB and then use your mod powers to get back at me? maybe that has something to do with it? i dunno, i'm just guessing.
the mets are having a great year as a team. julio franco should totally be an all-star.
I have no idea what you're referring to with respect to the Eagles Message Board.
You're obviously confused about something and if you have a question about something that has occured on that board, then I suggest you take it up with me there or take it up with me via PM here. The people who run this board have made it all too clear that the goings-on there are not to be discussed here.
As for what I was referring to in my last post, I meant that every time I post something, you have some sort of idiotic comment or insult directed my way. Personally, I think it's a waste of your time to do so. I have nothing against you and have only responded with insults your way when you've provoked me first.
I won't do that any longer. That's why I said you're not worth it. You simply aren't.
BTW: Do you care to discuss the Phillies having three all-stars despite having a losing record in the first half? If so, I'd be more than willing to do so in a mature, reasoned way.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 03, 2006, 09:21:05 AM
the mets are having a great year as a team. julio franco should totally be an all-star.
They have six all-stars already. Although I think Wagner might get the nod in the fan ballot.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 03, 2006, 09:21:42 AM
I have no idea what you're referring to with respect to the Eagles Message Board.
You're obviously confused about something and if you have a question about something that has occured on that board, then I suggest you take it up with me there or take it up with me via PM here. The people who run this board have made it all too clear that the goings-on there are not to be discussed here.
As for what I was referring to in my last post, I meant that every time I post something, you have some sort of idiotic comment or insult directed my way. Personally, I think it's a waste of your time to do so. I have nothing against you and have only responded with insults your way when you've provoked me first.
I won't do that any longer. That's why I said you're not worth it. You simply aren't.
BTW: Do you care to discuss the Phillies having three all-stars despite having a losing record in the first half? If so, I'd be more than willing to do so in a mature, reasoned way.
oh, ok, i insult you, but saying "You're not worth it" is not an insult to me?
k, thanks for the clarifiation. and i'm sorry that you get upset by my posting style, but when i see such dumb things being said, it calls for a harsh response. but that being said, the things you are complaining about are tame in nature, for you to get upset with it is just ridiculous. grow a sack and stop whining about my "personal attacks".
and please, don't be naive in respect to the other thing, i know what you did.
What I said wasn't dumb. You disagreed with my reasoning and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine regarding this issue.
What needs to be left out of the equation is the idiotic personal attacks. I've deliberately tried my best to forget past squabbles in this forum because I'm here mostly to discuss the Eagles. It's almost impossible to get any decent discussions going on the other message board, so that's why I'm here.
Yeah, I'll post in the other subforums because it's a boring time of the offseason but do you honestly think it's necessary to go after me specifically every time I post something you disagree with?
That's just the absolute apex of stupidity to me.
Saying those three players don't deserve to play in a game that is devoted to the best statistical players in the first half of the season is stupid. You don't understand the concept of an All-Star game obviously. Noone cares about how their team is playing except you. It's not about their teams. Get over yourself.
Except participation in the game isn't entirely predicated on statistical achievements.
If it were, half the starters wouldn't be starting and a player like Mark Redman wouldn't even be invited in the first place.
ok, we get it, you don't think anybody except players on 1st place teams should've made the all-star game. we get it.
way to take a stand man, what would we do with out you?
LOL. I never said that or inferred it.
I'll say it again:
Three players from a 37-44 team are being rewarded for their individual achievements in a team game.
And let's not forget that two of them have had their share of problems this year (Howard has been a butcher in the field and they both still strike out way too much with guys in scoring position).
That said, all three individually deserve to go based on what they've done but collectively they don't because of the sad state of the team they play on.
Is it really that difficult to differentiate between the two? And no, I'm not attacking anyone here. I'm simply asking a question.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 03, 2006, 10:39:15 AM
That said, all three individually deserve to go based on what they've done but collectively they don't because of the sad state of the team they play on.
as phillies fans, it's sometimes easy to forget that there are playoffs for for when a lot of players collectively succeed on one team.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just saw on ESPN that the Phils signed #1 pick Kyle Drabek.
ETA for first arm surgery: 2007.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 03, 2006, 11:29:51 AM
Just saw on ESPN that the Phils signed #1 pick Kyle Drabek.
ETA for first arm surgery: 2007.
Doug Drabek's kid?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on July 03, 2006, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 03, 2006, 11:29:51 AM
Just saw on ESPN that the Phils signed #1 pick Kyle Drabek.
ETA for first arm surgery: 2007.
Doug Drabek's kid?
Yep.
Hamel's stats at this point: 1-4, 5.50 ERA
Good to see he's fitting right in with this rotation. :yay
Are they seriously gonna give Adam Bernaro another start?
Of course! How else would they be able to lose 2 of 3 in every series?
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 02, 2006, 08:20:23 PM
Howard is in the HR derby too
David Wright's gonna eat his babies. (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060703&content_id=1536888&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym) ;D
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 03, 2006, 05:35:49 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 02, 2006, 08:20:23 PM
Howard is in the HR derby too
David Wright's gonna eat his babies. (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060703&content_id=1536888&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym) ;D
I hope so. He'll suck for 2 weeks afterwards.
Fasano to the DL
Roberson and Ruiz called up
Bernero DFAed
Phils still winning at last check...
Flash blew the save in the 8th inning (thanks to loser Rhodes) but gets the win as Rowand singles home Howard in the bottom of the 9th.
World. Series.
According to the Daily News Rollins held a players only meeting yesterday which of course led to the win. Rollins went 0-4 after hosting the meeting.
The thing that stinks about this team is they always seem to get it going just before the trade deadline and once that time has passed they drop deader than Ken Lay.
That goddamn idiot Bill Dancy strikes again.
Seriously, this guy sucks.
Rowand drives one off the RF wall. Burrell is at 1st and Dancy sends him. The RF fell down so it looked like a good runner would've scored. But not Pat.
And what does Pat The Vadge do? He makes this half hearted attempt at 'dozing Piazza and looks like a fool. He should've trucked him and he olay'd it. F'ing Hoyda.
Rowand at 3rd with 2 outs and Bell is up. He'll strikeout or groundout.
Piazza allows Rowand to score due to his terrible defense. Passed ball. 1-0 Phils.
And Bell then singles. Ruiz IBB'd and Mathieson up.
Jake Peavy hits a 2R HR.
I should be mad. But its funny.
3-1 Pads
Sickening.
getting mad at the phils is so early-june. get with it.
Sickening.
holy hyperbole batman
Based loaded with none out.
Howard grounds into a double play - run scores.
Burrell pops out to end the inning.
Like I said... sickening.
Good news! Arthur Rhodes is coming in to pitch the ninth!
Woot.
And Gordon allows a 3 run bomb. 6-3 Pads.
Rhodes gives up a hit, walks a batter intentionally, Gordon comes on and gives up a three-run dinger.
End of season.
CLOSED.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP link=topic=18126.msg426904#msg426904 date=1152149268
End of season.
CLOSED.
quote]
exactly.
The Phils 8th was terrible. After Howard GIDP's and Patty flies out I knew it was over.
Not that it matters, but Randy's ump brother Jim blew that last call big time.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 05, 2006, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP link=topic=18126.msg426904#msg426904 date=1152149268
End of season.
CLOSED.
quote]
exactly.
exactly.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 05, 2006, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on July 05, 2006, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP link=topic=18126.msg426904#msg426904 date=1152149268
End of season.
CLOSED.
quote]
exactly.
exactly.
precisely
prexactly
touche!
Mathieson pitched well though sans the HR to Peavy.
So they've got that going for them.
Trade Lieber, Lidle, Abreu, Burrell, Rhodes, Cormier and Gordon.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 05, 2006, 10:25:17 PM
Mathieson pitched well though sans the HR to Peavy.
So they've got that going for them.
Trade Lieber, Lidle, Abreu, Burrell, Rhodes, Cormier and Gordon.
And set Bell on fire.
a players strike or lockout would be awesome right about............................now.
ha....
(http://www.philly.com/images/philly/philly/14977/224320622498.jpg)
Looks like Burrell is doing the chicken dance.
Burrell's theme music (http://www.barefootsworld.net/sounds/chickdan_midi.mid)
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 06, 2006, 09:26:53 AM
ha....
(http://www.philly.com/images/philly/philly/14977/224320622498.jpg)
Gutless.
ha, look how close to the plate he is before he even attempts to begin sliding
www.si.com
Billy Wagner is a dope but...
QuoteBreak up the Phillies
Wagner says former team needs to make big changes
Posted: Thursday July 6, 2006 11:34AM;
People who have spoken to Phillies general manager Pat Gillick believe he will not stand pat this trading season. They say he desperately wants to improve the Phillies' current clubhouse atmosphere. Or at the very least, change it.
While one competing GM said Gillick isn't tipping his hand, it's believed he'll be looking to move Pat Burrell, Bobby Abreu, Mike Lieberthal, among others.
Former Phillies closer Billy Wagner said if Gillick breaks up the team, he's doing the right thing. The problem is the team's "nucleus,'' according to Wagner. "That team has as much talent as this one,'' said the Mets new closer Wagner, whose team leads the second-place Phillies by 11 1/2 games. "But there's something lacking there.''
And Wagner knows just what it is. He said he admires Gillick and manager Charlie Manuel, and that the problem starts at the very top. Wagner contends it stems from upper management, which insists on coddling and pampering their star young players, the result being a sense of entitlement and poor understanding of the team concept. "You don't have the leadership you need,'' Wagner said, adding that it isn't fair to expect it yet from relative youngsters like Ryan Howard and Chase Utley.
Beyond newcomer Aaron Rowand, you don't have much fire, either. "Nobody ever gets upset,'' Wagner said. "If somebody does, he's a big mouth and nobody likes him. They take it as, 'I did my best. I'm going home.' There's nobody screaming, "Hey, we're better than this!'''
When Wagner spoke up last year, he got shouted down. Now the quiet is deafening.
Even a proven trading savant like Gillick may struggle to get much for the high-priced Abreu ($23.5 million through '07), Burrell ($31.65 million through '08), and Lieberthal ($3.75 million through '06). Lieberthal misses a lot of action and is perceived as an offense-first catcher. Complicating matters, Abreu and Burrell have blanket no-trade clauses, and Burrell has suffered from a foot injury, a problem which concerns the Yankees and other potential suitors.
When his name was first floated on the trading block early last winter, Abreu told people he was hoping to go to either the Mets or the pre-fire sale Marlins. But now, Yankees people think he'd accept a trade to them since he owns a condo in the same midtown Manhattan building where Johnny Damon lives. "I don't think he'd mind [going to the Yankees],'' Wagner said. "Bobby Abreu's a good guy, but he's not a vocal leader. The one thing you have to know here (in New York) is, you have to come every day. He's got a real laid-back attitude.''
While former Philly GM Ed Wade spent (overspent, really) to lock up home-grown position players, Wagner said Phillies ownership has never been willing to similarly overspend to get the No. 1 pitcher they've needed since Curt Schilling was traded to Arizona in 2000. However, they do have Brett Myers. "As far as stuff, he's a No. 1,'' Wagner said of Myers. "But mentally, he's a No. 4.'' From what we've seen recently, even that estimate may be high.
i looked for 10 minutes to find something to disagree with in that article.
i couldnt find anything.
Let's hope Wagner retires after this season and buys the Phillies.
^^^ I laughed. ^^^
(http://images.forbes.com/images/forbes/2004/0426/15.jpg)(http://media.scout.com/Media/Other/375005_wade.JPG)(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2005/1102/photo/a_gillick_275.jpg)
All need this:
(http://www.effectium.com/effectium.com-asp/newsletter/nuclear_bomb.jpg)
Quote from: phattymatty on July 06, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
ha, look how close to the plate he is before he even attempts to begin sliding
That isn't an attempted slide.
That, my friend, is Pat Burrell's gutless attempt at running over Mike Piazza. Burrell was out by 10 feet because our awesome 3B coach sent him from 1st. Piazza was a prime candidate to get smashed like a bug on a windshield and Pretty Boy Patty pulled that crap.
He's a farging Hoyda.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 06, 2006, 12:56:50 PM
www.si.com
Billy Wagner is a dope but...
QuoteBreak up the Phillies
Wagner says former team needs to make big changes
Posted: Thursday July 6, 2006 11:34AM;
People who have spoken to Phillies general manager Pat Gillick believe he will not stand pat this trading season. They say he desperately wants to improve the Phillies' current clubhouse atmosphere. Or at the very least, change it.
While one competing GM said Gillick isn't tipping his hand, it's believed he'll be looking to move Pat Burrell, Bobby Abreu, Mike Lieberthal, among others.
Former Phillies closer Billy Wagner said if Gillick breaks up the team, he's doing the right thing. The problem is the team's "nucleus,'' according to Wagner. "That team has as much talent as this one,'' said the Mets new closer Wagner, whose team leads the second-place Phillies by 11 1/2 games. "But there's something lacking there.''
And Wagner knows just what it is. He said he admires Gillick and manager Charlie Manuel, and that the problem starts at the very top. Wagner contends it stems from upper management, which insists on coddling and pampering their star young players, the result being a sense of entitlement and poor understanding of the team concept. "You don't have the leadership you need,'' Wagner said, adding that it isn't fair to expect it yet from relative youngsters like Ryan Howard and Chase Utley.
Beyond newcomer Aaron Rowand, you don't have much fire, either. "Nobody ever gets upset,'' Wagner said. "If somebody does, he's a big mouth and nobody likes him. They take it as, 'I did my best. I'm going home.' There's nobody screaming, "Hey, we're better than this!'''
When Wagner spoke up last year, he got shouted down. Now the quiet is deafening.
Even a proven trading savant like Gillick may struggle to get much for the high-priced Abreu ($23.5 million through '07), Burrell ($31.65 million through '08), and Lieberthal ($3.75 million through '06). Lieberthal misses a lot of action and is perceived as an offense-first catcher. Complicating matters, Abreu and Burrell have blanket no-trade clauses, and Burrell has suffered from a foot injury, a problem which concerns the Yankees and other potential suitors.
When his name was first floated on the trading block early last winter, Abreu told people he was hoping to go to either the Mets or the pre-fire sale Marlins. But now, Yankees people think he'd accept a trade to them since he owns a condo in the same midtown Manhattan building where Johnny Damon lives. "I don't think he'd mind [going to the Yankees],'' Wagner said. "Bobby Abreu's a good guy, but he's not a vocal leader. The one thing you have to know here (in New York) is, you have to come every day. He's got a real laid-back attitude.''
While former Philly GM Ed Wade spent (overspent, really) to lock up home-grown position players, Wagner said Phillies ownership has never been willing to similarly overspend to get the No. 1 pitcher they've needed since Curt Schilling was traded to Arizona in 2000. However, they do have Brett Myers. "As far as stuff, he's a No. 1,'' Wagner said of Myers. "But mentally, he's a No. 4.'' From what we've seen recently, even that estimate may be high.
Billy is 100% correct in everything he said.
i didn't realize that next year is Abreu's last on his contract. i thought he was locked in longer than that.
that Burrell number is abominable.
like the snowman!
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-08/12/xin_8f9aadecccd811d7b21c0001030784d9_yeti.jpg)
Mathieson was sent down so he can get in a few starts during the AS break
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 06, 2006, 04:29:08 PM
like the snowman!
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-08/12/xin_8f9aadecccd811d7b21c0001030784d9_yeti.jpg)
We could only wish Burrell would be this abominable.
burrell leading off the 8th stikes out LOOKING
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2006, 09:51:09 PM
burrell leading off the 8th stikes out LOOKING
No way! That's a first >:(
I still can't believe I'm listening to this shtein in my office. wonder if it's to late to get a refund from mlb.com?
I just checked the box score on a whim.
Rollins: 0-4, K, E
But he's totally a necessary component of the team's future. What team DOESN'T need a leadoff man who hits .260 and strikes out 115 times a year?
Hahahahahahaha etc.
Too many other problems to worry about to focus on Jimmy Rollins.
Like Pat Burrell running out of tampons before his next plate appearance.
I farging hate this team.
Blow it up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 06, 2006, 10:01:23 PM
Too many other problems to worry about to focus on Jimmy Rollins.
Like Pat Burrell running out of tampons before his next plate appearance.
I farging hate this team.
Blow it up.
think wildcard! think wildcard! think wildcard! farg the wildcard!
once again it's so bad there are a few knuckle heads in the crowd doing E-A-G-L-E-S chants.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 06, 2006, 09:59:27 PM
I just checked the box score on a whim.
Rollins: 0-4, K, E
But he's totally a necessary component of the team's future. What team DOESN'T need a leadoff man who hits .260 and strikes out 115 times a year?
Hahahahahahaha etc.
excuse me, that's 0-5.
But he's totally a necessary component of the team's future. What team DOESN'T need a leadoff man who hits .260 and strikes out 115 times a year?
not his fault...when the team gets a competant leadoff guy rollins will be a very good 6 or 7 hole hitter...hes arguably the best fielding shortstop in the league and definitely should be a part of the future
once again it's so bad there are a few knuckle heads in the crowd doing E-A-G-L-E-S chants.
if i were there id be one of those knuckleheads...i love the eagle chants there...especially cause it so pisses off the phils brass
The Phils have won 2 of their last 15 series :-D
I hate them. Hate, I say!
Cory Lidle is our staff ace.
Yep.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 06, 2006, 10:05:26 PM
once again it's so bad there are a few knuckle heads in the crowd doing E-A-G-L-E-S chants.
Knuckle heads? They sound like people with their minds in the right place to me.
After yet another loss, Charlie wants us to pray for the Phillies because he no longer has any answers
Did he really say that, Ed?
Please tell me you're kidding.
Please.
N/M - he really did...
Quote"I don't know if it's you guys or the players or what, but somebody out there has got something against us. Or somebody's not living right. If you guys are very religious, please go to church. Pray for us."
:-D
sound clip of it (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/audio/phillies/070706-manuel.wma)
Phils have 4 runs and 6 singles in the first inning...
Chase Utley got drilled by a hit ball and hurt his wrist.
He's being looked at by the trainer right now. Harry & Larry sounded concerned.
Great. Just farging great.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 08, 2006, 08:04:05 PM
Chase Utley got drilled by a hit ball and hurt his wrist.
He's being looked at by the trainer right now. Harry & Larry sounded concerned.
Great. Just farging great.
looks like someone didnt pray
He's alright. He's a tough bastich.
I coached a 12-0 win and no-hitter today. Hire me.
Were y'all playing The Helen Kellers?
Chris Coste had 3 RBI's tonight. That's all I know. I didn't even know they won until after midnight.
I had a dream that the Phillies were in the world series... only the uniforms were a little different - still the same colors, but had block-style lettering, similar to the Yankees, who they were playing in the Series.
Phils won in 7 games. I'm probably seeing like 10-15 years in the future here. Get yo popcorn ready.
all i wanna see for the rest of the season is cole hamels progress...starting today
Jimmy Rollins is awful.
Quote from: MDS on July 09, 2006, 12:35:36 PM
Jimmy Rollins is awful.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
New quotes from Charlie:
On finishing the full season: "Confident? Yeah."
On who's to blame for the 1st half: "Believe me, I believe in accountability. Somebody's got to be accountable. ... I don't point any fingers. Hey, I work for an organization. You won't see me talking about my organization and you won't see me talking about my players. Things that I have to say, I'll say to them."
On wanting more Wagner types to stir things up in the clubhouse: "He talks a lot and speaks up. His teammates don't like it, but that can be real good on your team. Some of the best teams I've been on used to have fights. I don't see anything wrong with that. When the game started, it seemed like everybody was on the same page. If I had my way, I'd want mentally tough guys, guys that will tell somebody quit whining, quit crying."
On people wanting him to inspire his players more: "I'm motivated when I come to the yard. For some of our guys to get a chance in the big leagues, they gotta be motivated? You've got to be kidding me. Minimum salary is [$327,000]. If that don't motivate you, go out and get a real job. Hey, I'm serious."
Phils win 8-3 and finally win a damn series. They finish 12 games back of the Mets, in 2nd place, 1 game ahead of Atlanta...
Meanwhile, in the Futures game, Gio had a 1-2-3 inning with a K, while Carlos Carrasco (Lakewood) gave up 2 hits in 1/3 of an inning...
Als I have to say is 5 back of the wild card. believe in scott matheison!!
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 09, 2006, 02:35:41 PM
New quotes from Charlie:
On finishing the full season: "Confident? Yeah."
On who's to blame for the 1st half: "Believe me, I believe in accountability. Somebody's got to be accountable. ... I don't point any fingers. Hey, I work for an organization. You won't see me talking about my organization and you won't see me talking about my players. Things that I have to say, I'll say to them."
On wanting more Wagner types to stir things up in the clubhouse: "He talks a lot and speaks up. His teammates don't like it, but that can be real good on your team. Some of the best teams I've been on used to have fights. I don't see anything wrong with that. When the game started, it seemed like everybody was on the same page. If I had my way, I'd want mentally tough guys, guys that will tell somebody quit whining, quit crying."
On people wanting him to inspire his players more: "I'm motivated when I come to the yard. For some of our guys to get a chance in the big leagues, they gotta be motivated? You've got to be kidding me. Minimum salary is [$327,000]. If that don't motivate you, go out and get a real job. Hey, I'm serious."
Some good quotes in there.
Ok, onto the AS break. I don't give a rip who wins the game. I would like to see Howard win the Derby, but I am scared of seeing Phils in that thing. Thome was shtein in 2004 after the thing and Abreu was shtein afterwards in 2005.
21 days until the trade deadline...
Say goodbye to Burrell, Abreu, Lieber, Lidle, Gordon, Rhodes and Cormier. At least, if not more, these guys should be dealt.
Als I have to say is 5 back of the wild card
thats sad and scary all at the same time
nuke the nl and have a six team al playoff/world series this year
Yesterday's Charlie quotes that WIP has been talking about today:
Quote"You come to the ballpark and people look at you like you've got cancer."
Quote"I think that the speculation of me losing my job, it definitely affects my staff and our players," he said. "And I think it affects them some times through discipline. ... There are problems that arise, and they will test you. But that's OK, I can handle that, too."
Utley is hitting 7th tomorrow night...
5 games out the WC, where is the optimism??
Quote from: MDS on July 10, 2006, 03:07:13 PM
5 games out the WC, where is the optimism??
Right here...
(http://www.mauiaccessiblecondo.com/toilet.jpg)
Red Sox may be the trade partner with the Phils for Abreu says the internets....
(http://www.orlyowl.com/upload/files/GTFO.jpg)
Oh boy, maybe they'll get Eric Milton back... :-D :'( :boom
The ORLY owl humor never gets old... :-D
At least the Phillies are dominant in SOMETHING.
(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/c7/full.getty-71313723cp049_century_21_ho_10_59_28_pm.jpg)
(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/81/full.getty-71313723mh031_century_21_ho_10_56_01_pm.jpg)
(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/7e/full.getty-71313723mh030_century_21_ho_10_55_48_pm.jpg)
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060711/capt.pnc16307110242.all_star_home_run_derby__baseball_pnc163.jpg)
and now he'll hit 10 more this season
f'ing awesome hitting the sign on the last one
Over/Under on Howard 2nd half dingers: 21
over
Over.
I say he gets 50 total.
And hitting the sign was pretty cool. I wonder who the person is who won 500 free flights and if they'll ever use all 500?
From ekravitz on PhilaPhans...he heard Randarino on WPEN...
QuoteNow, Randy Miller is on and is saying that Manuel will not be fired this season, that Gillick knows they can not win this year, that Manuel wants to blast his players but he won't for some reason and the FO/Hierarchy knows the attendance will drop this summer and fall and seem prepared for it.
Also, says he expects Abreu to be traded by the end of the month and that the team wants to trade Burrell (actually said would give him away) but getting little to no interest
now, he is talking about a story where during the last series of the season, the players in the clubhouse were rooting hard for the Cubs against the Astros (says the players were like children rooting for the Cubs and it was good to see) except for Lofton who was not there and Burrell who was observed parting with a 6 pack in his street clothes and indifferent to the outcome. says the FO really wants to dump Burrell for nothing but can't even get anyone to do that. says the failure to dump Burrell means they have to trade Abreu
I was surprised that Howard won the derby after watching his first few swings of the competition. It was as if he didn't "get" it. I couldn't believe how many times he parked the gold ball in that first round. Clutch!
Jayson Stark on Howard's derby (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar06/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2515847)
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 11, 2006, 07:27:51 AM
I was surprised that Howard won the derby after watching his first few swings of the competition. It was as if he didn't "get" it. I couldn't believe how many times he parked the gold ball in that first round. Clutch!
Jayson Stark on Howard's derby (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar06/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2515847)
That's the same thing my buddy and i were saying. It's like he really thought he was taking bp and had to remember where he was. It's amazing that he came back with the gold balls and parked 4 of them. Before it even started last night I told my buddy that it was the Ryan Howard coming out party. Everyone would know who he was if they didn't before the derby.
did anybody check out Giles' comments in the Inky? it really is enough to make a phillies fan cry.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 11, 2006, 08:32:12 AM
did anybody check out Giles' comments in the Inky? it really is enough to make a phillies fan cry.
Elaborate.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/15009380.htm
i didn't read them, but WIP was running the quotes in their updates, to summarize what i heard....
Giles doesn't think they will ever sell in his lifetime, it's not about the money for them, they enjoy owning the phillies. even if Mark Cuban came along and offered an obscene amount of $$ they probably wouldn't sell. He also thinks that David Montgomery has done a "spectacular" job as the team president.
Go Devil Rays.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 11, 2006, 08:32:12 AM
did anybody check out Giles' comments in the Inky? it really is enough to make a phillies fan cry.
If by "cry" you meant go on a protracted killing spree in South Philly, then yes, I'll agree with you.
Also - the comments about Patricia are really disturbing. Laid back is one thing but disinterested - not good. Not good at all.
For those that don't know who the owners are:
QuotePhillies president and part owner David Montgomery is the spokesman for ownership. He has complete management authority over the organization. But the ownership includes limited partners. Bill Giles, of Giles Limited Partnership, may be the best known of a group that includes Claire S. Betz; Tri-Play Associates (brothers Alexander K. Buck, J. Mahlon Buck Jr. and William C. Buck); and Double Play Inc. (chairman John S. Middleton). Being a Phillies limited partner means you stay in the background and keep quiet.
My son and I are going to the the Lakewood A ball game to see Wolf pitch. What do you guys think about bringing a Wolfpack sign? Anyone think Randy would appreciate it? I will be sure to report on his progress.
Stuff brought up on WIP this morning:
QuoteOne of our employees [marketing manager Debbie Nocito] saw the whole thing. She said, "He did not hit her at all, and he didn't grab her hair or anything." So all the reports were untrue, from what I understand.
So the
marketing manager, someone that tells you only what you want to hear and spins everything positively, tells him that nothing happened even though every other account of the story, including HERS, says otherwise? And if nothing serious happened, why is Myers getting counseling and taking a break right now?
QuoteI know the owners think Dave Montgomery is sensational.
Because of the sustained success over the last decade, right?
Quotetwo of them say in every meeting, "Gosh darn it, I want to win a World Series."
Golly gee, that's swell!
QuoteQ: Is the guy [from the Middleton family] who pushed you out the other one?
A: No comment.
ha
They also pointed out that it's not the owners' fault....not Montgomery's fault....not Pat's fault....maybe it's the players....AH....it's those evil fans calling WIP and talking to those evil radio people that's causing the Phillies to suck!
Here's the best line of all:
QuoteBrett was trying to help his wife.
Brett must believe in "tough love."
he was helping her to understand not to eff with brett
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 11, 2006, 10:50:08 AM
he was helping her to understand not to eff with brett
<<<-------- What do you tell Brett Myers' wife with two black eyes??
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 11, 2006, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 11, 2006, 10:50:08 AM
he was helping her to understand not to eff with brett
<<<-------- What do you tell Brett Myers\' wife with two black eyes??
Nothing, you already told the bitch twice.
Did you hear that Brett\'s wife was at the Tempura women\'s shelter?
Quote from: stalker on July 11, 2006, 02:12:59 PM
Nothing, you already told the bitch twice.
Hey crackhead... it was already under my avatar. Hence the arrow pointing left.
I cant read that small.........oh yeah, i am an idiot too.
Here is the deal. Wolf threw 3 innings 2 hits 1 ER. Didn\'t look real sharp, just trying to range in the breaking ball. I was sitting next to the pen and watching him warm up. Excellent movement on the fastball. The thing that surprised me was he popped one fastball during the game at 96. I do not think he ever did that in the past.
Utley went 1-2
Howard replaced Pujols in the 7th but hasn't batted yet
Gordon pitched the 8th, gave up 1 hit and held the 2-1 lead
Quote from: stalker on July 11, 2006, 10:51:56 PM
Here is the deal. Wolf threw 3 innings 2 hits 1 ER. Didn\'t look real sharp, just trying to range in the breaking ball. I was sitting next to the pen and watching him warm up. Excellent movement on the fastball. The thing that surprised me was he popped one fastball during the game at 96. I do not think he ever did that in the past.
From what I've heard (never seen it documented, but referenced by baseball announcers, so take it for what it's worth), gaining anywhere from 2 to 3 mph on the fastball is not uncommon for those who get Tommy John surgery.
Phillies try to 'revise' Giles' statement about Myers "helping" his wife. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/phillies/2006-07-11-myers-report-dispute_x.htm?csp=34)
This Phillies ownership group is dispicable.
Monty tries to say Giles misunderstood him because he didn't go into great detail during a 10-minute conversation that included how the team was playing. Its not like telling him the team sucks took 10 minutes. That takes two seconds.
Randy Miller was on WIP this morning and has sources telling him part of Giles story is actually true and the Phillies didn't want it to get out. He also says he's talked to scouts and no team wants any part of Myers right now...
From top to bottom, the Phillies are made up of a bunch of bumbling idiots. It's amazing.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 12, 2006, 11:09:20 AM
Randy Miller was on WIP this morning and has sources telling him part of Giles story is actually true and the Phillies didn't want it to get out.
what part of the story are you talkin about?
Myers' innocence
what about it?
it's lacking
MURP asked what part of Giles' idiotic ramblings were true according to Randy Miller, and the stuff about Myers doing nothing wrong is supposedly partially true.....although Randy Miller is an a-hole and is usually wrong...
as long as he felt bad afterwards all is forgiven.
thanks Ed.
Quotestuff about Myers doing nothing wrong is supposedly partially true.
he punched her in the face and then helped her up. Both sides are happy now.
i heard randy miller this monring and i dont believe he said that at all....he said that giles believed that myers was more innocent than was being reported...but he only believed that because montgomery told him...there are no secret sources saying something other than whats been reported by the eyewitnesses
personally ill believe the numerous eyewitnesses over a guy who was in europe at the time
one thing miller did say is that he had dinner with a phillie the other nites and the player told him that when the locker room heard of the myers incident not a single player was suprised at all...that the players have been witness to and know all about the volatile nature of their relationship
Quote from: stalker on July 11, 2006, 02:12:59 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 11, 2006, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 11, 2006, 10:50:08 AM
he was helping her to understand not to eff with brett
<<<-------- What do you tell Brett Myers\\\' wife with two black eyes??
Nothing, you already told the bitch twice.
Did you hear that Brett\\\'s wife was at the Tempura women\\\'s shelter?
It is for the lightly battered
Rumor alert:
A poster on the PhilaPhans MB said tha Abreu and Flash are close to being dealt to the Yankees.
No word on what the Phils would get, but he says that the Phillies are insisting on Phillip Hughes (very good pitching prospect) and Chien-Ming Wang.
Wang would be nice to have just because of his GB/FB ratio. His sinker is needed in CBP.
you're beyond believing dumb rumors :)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 13, 2006, 07:15:33 PM
Rumor alert:
A poster on the PhilaPhans MB said tha Abreu and Flash are close to being dealt to the Yankees.
No word on what the Phils would get, but he says that the Phillies are insisting on Phillip Hughes (very good pitching prospect) and Chien-Ming Wang.
Wang would be nice to have just because of his GB/FB ratio. His sinker is needed in CBP.
Too easy.
You're right, Ed. But I am a little excited to see what they can and will do in a fullout sellers mode. I just want Burrell gone.
Hey Romey.... :flipoff
The Phillies will hold on to all the most useless and overpaid bums and trade off the slightly better ones for crap (a la Schilling for Daal, Figeroua, Lee, and Padilla). Duh.
Trade Burrell for a bag of onions and some toner.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 14, 2006, 12:30:02 AM
You're right, Ed. But I am a little excited to see what they can and will do in a fullout sellers mode. I just want Burrell gone.
you think anyone in this organization that will make the right move for anyone? :-D
Quote from: MDS on July 14, 2006, 10:18:06 AM
Trade Burrell for a bag of onions and some toner.
Prefferably HP Q2610A If we can get some of that I'm all for it.
Trade Burrell for this:
(http://www.mrtoys.com/kettler/outdoors/pics/kettler-basic-swingset-lrg.jpg)
At least it swings.
SI.com:
QuoteA decidedly drab pitching market is on the verge of receiving a major shot in the arm. The White Sox are sending out word that they're willing to trade one of two veteran front-line starters -- either Freddy Garcia or Javier Vazquez -- if a team will relinquish a top-flight setup man. One potential target is Phillies All-Star closer Tom Gordon.
i couldnt believe when i saw that garcia is only a year older than vasquez
Vazquez has never wanted to play in Philadelphia.
- Phils manufacture a run
- Howard hits #29, a 2R, to give them a 3-0 lead.
- Barry gets on and actually steals a base
- Lieber gives up a 2R HR to Durham
3-2 Phils b4th
And there's the meltdown...
Watching the Phillies gives you an idea why Dante's poem is called The Divine Comedy. :boom
Good job, Phightins.
Lieby resurfaces to PH in the 9th to do what we all expect - pop out.
Goddamn bums.
Great start to the second half, I hope they start trading players away soon.
i dont see how the phillies can be a successful team in the future with utley and howard manning the right side of the infield....utley is an absolute butcher....howard at least has the skills to imporve somehwhat...but in general you cant have half your infield hacking it up
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 15, 2006, 12:46:58 AM
i dont see how the phillies can be a successful team in the future with utley and howard manning the right side of the infield....utley is an absolute butcher....howard at least has the skills to imporve somehwhat...but in general you cant have half your infield hacking it up
I see Utley perhaps taking a place in the OF once Burrell is gone and the Phils can get a serviceable 2nd sacker. Unless Utley improves over the next season or so.
thats a good point...but then arent you right back where you started with having a subpar corner outfielder...unless somehow utley is superior in the of than he is in the if
to me in a hitters park like the bank you have to start with defense first...because you can have average offensive guys be successful...everyone is gonna hit in a park like that...its the fielding that is gonna be the difference in winning and losing
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 15, 2006, 12:52:43 AM
thats a good point...but then arent you right back where you started with having a subpar corner outfielder...unless somehow utley is superior in the of than he is in the if
to me in a hitters park like the bank you have to start with defense first...because you can have average offensive guys be successful...everyone is gonna hit in a park like that...its the fielding that is gonna be the difference in winning and losing
What the hell, make him a catcher. Got to be better than Lieberthal, Fatsano and that rookie that's darn near my age.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 15, 2006, 01:26:14 AM
What the hell, make him a catcher. Got to be better than Lieberthal, Fatsano and that rookie that's darn near my age.
Watch his offensive numbers go boom.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 15, 2006, 05:50:17 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 15, 2006, 01:26:14 AM
What the hell, make him a catcher. Got to be better than Lieberthal, Fatsano and that rookie that's darn near my age.
Watch his offensive numbers go boom.
Posted on: Today at 05:50:17 AM on a saturday
:-D
FF is a workout fiend.
A FIEND, I say.
:yay
Woke up at 5:15. Couldn't fall back asleep. shtein happens.
charlie manuel gem from todays inky....
Lieber threw 51/3 innings last night. He allowed six hits, five runs (four earned) and five walks, and struck out three.
"Lieber was good," Manuel said. "He was good at the end. He was strong."
Translation: He sucked. Every dadgum pitcher we have sucks. What the farg do you idiots want me to say anymore? OUR PITCHING SUCKS!
Awesome start, down 2-0 in the 1st. Go Phils!!
And you know your team sucks when gimpy ass Bonds steals bases in back to back games.
3-3 after 3
Utely is not a butcher in the field
What a bunch of losers. Trade everyone.
Utely is not a butcher in the field
yes he is
he stunk in the field when they drafted him and he stinks now
hes the white alfonso soriano
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 15, 2006, 08:59:51 PM
he stunk in the field when they drafted him and he stinks now
hes the white alfonso soriano
He's Chuck Knoblach?
Utley takes the field with a meat cleaver in one hand and a glove in the other. He is a butcher. But he has shown he can play decent defense. He was OK last year. His biggest problem is turning two. He tries to rush it and that cannot happen. But I will take it because of what he can do with the bat and on the bases.
Ryan Howard was also much better last year defensively. But he has had numerous plays this year where he has flat out farged up. Both him and Chase need to improve the leather work.
Nice to see Burrell heating up. Just in time for the trade deadline time.
Get hot, Pat. Get hot so Gillick can trade your pathetic ass.
Nice to see Burrell heating up. Just in time for the trade deadline time.
yup
still i cant see anyone taking him...tho there was a a white sox beat writer on espn news today saying that burrell to the sox was hot right now
Good.
Although I tend to agree that I don't see anyone taking him, I am hoping like hell that someone takes the bait. I don't care if its the Yankee, White Sox or whoever. Unload the fraud and his fatass contract with him. The bad part is Patty has a FNTC. So if he don't like the city, he can veto. But I am hoping that he just wants out of PHL and will go to whoever.
If he goes to the White Sox, I hope they get McCarthy in return.
Know whats great? After Howard hits a ball he obviously knows is gone, his mini 2 step cocky strut out of the batters box he does. Always gives me a mini erection.
doesnt burrell have a no trade clause?
Quote from: Wingspan on July 16, 2006, 11:00:50 AM
doesnt burrell have a no trade clause?
I believe he does. Wade was really a putz.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 16, 2006, 11:00:50 AM
doesnt burrell have a no trade clause?
yeah, so does Abreu.
You don't think either of them would leave in a hot second for a place with a chance to win it all this year?
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 16, 2006, 11:49:56 AM
You don't think either of them would leave in a hot second for a place with a chance to win it all this year?
i honestly don't think either one of them care.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 16, 2006, 02:16:53 AM
Utley takes the field with a meat cleaver in one hand and a glove in the other. He is a butcher.
:-D
Just browsing today's boxscore to check on the team:
QuoteRunners left in scoring position, 2 out: D Bell 2
Shocking!
Bonds HR #721 puts the Giants up 2-1
Bell HR ties it at 2-2
BTW, I recall this question being asked but no one was sure how to find it. Well, the Inquirer did:
QuoteEver watch the Phillies and get the feeling that Pat Burrell takes an awful lot of called third strikes?
The Elias Sports Bureau confirms your suspicions.
In 2005, Burrell struck out 160 times, second most in the National League. Of those 160 Ks, 68 came on called third strikes, the most in the majors.
Burrell also led the majors in taking called third strikes in the first half of this season. He struck out 76 times before the all-star break, and a whopping 39 of them came while looking at a called third strike.
Sounds like someone needs to be a little more aggressive.
Bonds almost hit #721 earlier in the game. Burrell, of all people, robbed him.
:-D
He just hit a foul into the bay before striking out.
Phils win 6-2 and take 2 of 3. Last time the Phils had back-to-back series wins? The 12-1 streak in the first week of May...
I don't like them winning. They'll consider keeping a lot of players they should fire sale off instead.
Thanks for the Burrell K numbers.
Totally ridiculous that the bum takes so many called 3rd's.
Good to see Brett Myers throw well today too.
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=16635.msg330433#msg330433
i'm surprised myers has any energy left to pitch with all the wife beating and whatnot.
World. Series.
QuotePhiladelphia pitcher Brett Myers, everybody's favorite wife flattener, returned to the Phillies yesterday for a game against the Giants in San Francisco. Before the game, he had given a statement apologizing for his actions and saying he was getting counseling. It sounded sincere enough that you would almost believe him, if he weren't the type of guy who punched his wife in the face on a street corner.
Anyway, Myers received a healthy smattering of boos, right? You got 'em, San Francisco, yeah?
Nope. He made it out to the mound without a peep, and even Charlie Manuel, his manager, said he "expected a harsher reaction." Though we guess that's just one more thing Charlie Manuel's wrong about.
But seriously, San Francisco: We grant you the Cheering Bonds thing; he's your superstar, and you've made your piece with the steroids thing. But not booing Brett Myers? What's wrong with you guys? Is anybody awake over there?
San Francisco is fabulous!
i think it's because of *gay joke* ! hahaha!132!
Someone named Cla Meredith is pitching for San Diego. What kind of idiot names their kid Cla? Must be Irish.
The Phlounderin's steal another loss from the jaws of victory tonight.
Good job. Arsonist Franklin started the fire.
Hey, at least I started Adrian Gonzalez on my FF team.
Utley butchered another ball tonight too. Chop, chop!
i was happy to wake up this morning to see that these shteins lost
Quote from: Wingspan on July 18, 2006, 06:58:05 AM
i was happy to wake up this morning to see that these shteins lost
The only thing that could possibly make me happy about the Phils if ownership sells the team. Other than that, it is just varying degrees of disgust and misery.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 18, 2006, 06:58:05 AM
i was happy to wake up this morning to see that these shteins lost
I was watching the game and turned it off after the Phils went up 6-3. They showed Franklin warming up in the pen and I just couldn't watch anymore.
Eh... training camp starts this week anyway.
they farging lost?
jesus christ.
at least Cole pitched well.
Quote
Utley butchered another ball tonight too. Chop, chop!
i'd still keep him over Abreu any day of the week
Phils up 6-3 in the 7th:
R Franklin relieved R White.
M Cameron walked.
B Giles singled to center, M Cameron to third.
M Piazza singled to left, M Cameron scored, B Giles to second.
R Bowen ran for M Piazza.
K Greene struck out swinging.
R Cormier relieved R Franklin.
A Gonzalez homered to right, B Giles and R Bowen scored.
G Geary relieved R Cormier.
7-6 Padres
from todays ny daily news...
The Yankees have focused their pursuit of a right fielder on Philadelphia's Bobby Abreu and Kansas City's Reggie Sanders, not just because of their needs for this year, but because either works for their immediate future, as well.
Gary Sheffield has a $13 million option for next season and, even before his wrist injury, the Yankees were leaning toward not bringing the moody slugger back. The injury merely galvanized their thinking.
Abreu will make $15 million next season with a 2008 option for $16 million or a $2 million buyout. So Abreu would fill Sheffield's position and salary spot for next season and, possibly, the year after.
Sanders, who has some no-trade provisions, is due $5 million next year. The Yanks are not sure if Sanders, who will turn 39 in the offseason, can be a full-time player anymore. So they could turn right field into a pla toon with Melky Cabrera receiving a sizable amount of at-bats against righty starters or try to deal Sanders again in the offseason, possibly by eating a piece of his contract.
The Yanks believe money is key to their chance of landing either Abreu or Sanders. The Phillies have not definitively told interested teams they will deal Abreu. But, if they do, a main reason is to free up as much of his sal ary as possible. The Yanks are one of the few teams that would cer tainly be able to incorporate Abreu fully into their payroll. The Yanks are hopeful that by offering complete salary relief, the Phillies would willingly accept two or three second-tier prospects. The Yanks continue to tell clubs they will not part with their top two prospects, Philip Hughes and Jose Tabata.
It is possible that Detroit, Boston or another team could take on all of Abreu's pact or the Phillies could eat some of the contract as a way to improve the prospects they would receive.
I was told that Abreu to the Yankees for 2 low level minor leagues as all but done. This is was at 330. It is is now 715. No mention of any such thing, in fact Jayson Stark said the Phillies would give away Burrell, Lieber, Lidle, etc. but not Abreu.
Would someone actually trade us a guy with 4 working limbs for Lidle? SOLD!
Another loss.
Good for the hopes of an upcoming firesale.
Lidle will fetch something. Some fringe team like Milwaukee or San Diego will get him, IMO.
Abreu better get more than two low ML'ers.
Didn't the Phils own the Padres before this series?
Oh well.
detroit news story on possible abreu trade
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060719/SPORTS08/607190314/1129/SPORTS0104
text please?
If it's a real deal, Tigers must pull trigger for Abreu
DETROIT -- The much-talked about deal for a left-handed hitter is apparently on the table.
The Tigers can have Philadelphia Phillies slugger Bobby Abreu. All they have to do is give up left fielder Marcus Thames and rookie pitcher Zach Miner. Plus, they would have to give Abreu a contract extension to get him to waive his no-trade clause.
If this deal is correct, as some believe it is, general manager Dave Dombrowski should pull the trigger as soon as possible and not look back.
The Tigers, who have the best record in baseball despite Tuesday's 7-1 loss to the White Sox, are in position to win now. And when you're there, you have to seize the moment. The last thing you want to do is swing and miss in a big situation.
If the Tigers don't secure Abreu, it might come back to bite them.
What deal?
Manager Jim Leyland, as usual, played dumb about the proposed deal. But that's what he's supposed to do. After all, the last thing you want to do is fawn over a player and then not get him.
One thing is clear: The Tigers' brain trust had a meeting on Tuesday afternoon to discuss options as the July 31 trade deadline approaches.
"I'm going to worry about what I got," Leyland said before the opener of a three-game set against the White Sox at Comerica Park, "not what I don't got."
What the Tigers need -- whether they want to admit it or not -- is a left-handed bat like Abreu. Granted, he wasn't an All-Star this summer. But he is still a dangerous bat and a change of scenery might be all he needs. Abreu is batting .287 with eight homers and 61 RBI.
It's hard to talk about Abreu, 32, and not think about the absolutely awesome show he put on in the All-Star Home Run Derby last summer at Comerica Park. Abreu hit 24 homers in the first round of the competition en route to 41 total.
But he's more than just a big swinger. Abreu is a lifetime .302 hitter. Since breaking into the majors in 1996, Abreu has 198 home runs and 837 RBI. In 2005, he walked 100 times. It was his seventh straight season of accomplishing that feat.
Abreu is also a good outfielder. He would fit in very nicely in left field.
Good timing
Sure, some wouldn't want to give up Thames, who appears to have finally come into his own. Thames, who is 29 years old, entered this season with just one major league season under his belt. Thames is batting .295 .with 19 homers and 43 RBI.
Thames' trade value will never be higher. Coming into this season, Thames had a lifetime .226 batting average and 19 home runs and 55 RBI in 136 games.
The same goes for Miner. He has had a tremendous start to his career. Miner, who was a marginal minor league pitcher, is 6-2 with a 3.30 ERA, filling in for Mike Maroth. With the pitching coming up through the minors, it's probably going to be impossible to keep Miner in the majors anyway.
In the end, you have to give up something to get something. Dombrowski, just do it.
QuoteAbreu is also a good outfielder. He would fit in very nicely in left field.
that makes me laugh
At this point, Thames has better starts while playing in a pitcher's park than Abreu does hitting at CBP.
Career wise, it isn't close, but Abreu just hasn't been the same since his HR Derby win.
I like Miner. He could be a solid starter.
What did Dombrowski have for dinner?
Why is it so hard for the Phils to eat some contract to just get top prospects. I can just see the phils trading him for junk like they've always done, i have a bad feeling about any of these offers. How can the Nats get so much for so little and we get junk offers for Abreu?
you don't even know if that's the deal, it's speculated.
but the reason for what you will get, which won't be great, is because of the contract. i'd rather have the Phils get less in return and deal his entire contract away than having them eat contract.
why....they have money, there is no cap. They're just being thrifty. I want mark cuban to buy the ownership out, he'll spend money.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 19, 2006, 09:29:06 AM
why....they have money, there is no cap.
i know, but they count that amount against their budget. their actual payroll this year is around 87 million, but they say the payroll is 95 million because of the money they pay on Thome's contract.
that's not going to change, so i'd rather get rid of Abreu's entire contract and be done with him.
Thames and Miner aren't top prospects, FYI
the article says as much
29 year olds arent prospects at all
Chris Coste begs to differ sir, he told me so. He just emptied my trash
he deserves better than trashman
perhaps reno can hook him up with a bus boy position at c&p's
god did ed wade farg the phils with these contracts...
O's, Phils discuss swap
Burrell or Abreu offered in deal involving R. Lopez
By Dan Connolly and Jeff Zrebiec
Sun Reporters
July 19, 2006
Hoping to bolster their offense at the non-waiver trade deadline for both the present and the near future, the Orioles have discussed sending starter Rodrigo Lopez to the Philadelphia Phillies for one of their two expensive outfielders, Bobby Abreu or Pat Burrell.
According to several industry sources, the Phillies would be willing to accept Lopez and perhaps another player, likely a mid-level prospect, if the Orioles were to pay a significant portion of one of the outstanding contracts.
Each deal has its own set of hurdles, however, so one high-ranking club official called any pending move for the Phillies sluggers "unlikely."
Abreu, a 32-year-old right fielder and two-time All-Star, is in the third season of a five-year, $64 million deal. He is making $13 million this year, with $15 million due in 2007 and a $16 million club option in 2008 ($2 million buyout).
One club source said that privately Abreu has shown a willingness to waive his no-trade clause and play here, in part because of his close relationship with Orioles third baseman and fellow Venezuelan Melvin Mora . Another source, however, said the club has received no indication that the left-handed-hitting Abreu would waive the clause -- especially without receiving a contract extension or a guarantee on the 2008 option.
Still, Orioles officials have always liked Abreu and one source speculated the club would be willing to pay him an eight-figure salary through the duration of his contract. Abreu was batting .285 with eight homers and 60 RBIs going into yesterday. His agent, Peter Greenberg, could not be reached for comment.
Burrell, a 29-year-old left fielder and former first overall pick, is in the middle of a heavily backloaded six-year, $50 million deal that expires in 2008. He is owed about $32 million, and one team source said the Orioles would not be willing to pick up much of it. Even if they did, it may not matter. Burrell has expressed no interest in waiving his clause to come here, the source said, so the discussions involving him have subsided.
Burrell's agent, Greg Genske, was in Baltimore yesterday, but did not meet with Orioles officials. He could not be reached for comment.
Trade them for dirt to dump the contracts. Build from within. Go team.
Wasn't Burrell part of the 'build from within' plan in the first place? What a joke of a franchise.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 19, 2006, 10:27:32 AM
Wasn't Burrell part of the 'build from within' plan in the first place? What a joke of a franchise.
Shhhh.
get canseco.
he just won the home run derby yesterday. and gave up 4 runs in 1/3 of a inning pitched in the all-star game. wich he made even though he's played like 18 games.
leiber tagged for three quickies in the first
good. lose away. sell, sell, sell.
Somethings wrong with Coste, he homered and hit an RBI double today.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 19, 2006, 05:01:19 PM
Somethings wrong with Coste, he homered and hit an RBI double today.
Please tell me they're still losing.
they are now, thanks to your manager leaving fatass Jon Lieber in the game in the 7th inning, with 120 pitches, with a go-ahead runner on 2nd, with lefty Brian Giles up to hit
Abreu comes through in the clutch and the Bums avoid the sweep. I pray he gets hot so it raises his trade value even a little.
So would you guys want a whiney bitch who can hit to take over for Bell? If so, here's your guy. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2524415)
Hillenbrand's played for 3 different teams in the last 2-3 years, despite solid numbers.
Must have a winning personality.
Hey, and they could also replace Abreu in right field (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2524132)!!forty-two
Thames & Minor for Bobby? I'd consider it.
Lopez for Burrell? Do it. Just get rid of the bitch.
Coste is a solid bench player. Yeah he should be fetching my beer in a local tavern, emptying Mo's trash or sewing the nameplates on IGY's copped butta joints...but he's hitting the ball well. He's already better than Abraham Nunez, Tomas Perez, Alex Arias, Kevin Sefcik, Jon Zuber or any of other other pieces of garbage we've seen on the bench over the years.
Brett Myers Atones For Punching Wife With Solid Seven-Inning Outing
July 17, 2006 | Reuters
SAN FRANCISCO—Three weeks after hitting his wife on a Boston street, Phillies pitcher Brett Myers made up for the costly miscue by coming back strong and tossing seven quality innings en route to a 6-2 victory over the Giants Sunday. "When you let your emotions get the best of you and make a silly error like Brett did when he repeatedly struck his wife in the face, the only way to atone for it is to get right back on the baseball field, put that past performance behind you, and pitch deep into an important game while maintaining consistent velocity and pinpoint control," manager Charlie Manuel said. "This outing is exactly what Bretty needed to get the fans to stop thinking about him as someone who physically abuses his spouse." Philadelphia fans and media, who had earlier called for a public apology from Myers, have dropped this demand in light of Myers' impressive total of seven strikeouts.
Couple days late eh
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 20, 2006, 03:59:46 AM
sewing the nameplates on IGY's copped butta joints
:-D
I'd take a shot on Hillenbrand. Look at the comments from his teammates. If a guy like Vernon Wells sticks up for you, how bad can you be?
Eh - this season's over anyway, so why bother?
FYI: Tim Kurkijan doesn't think the Phils will actually trade Abreu until maybe the off-season.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 21, 2006, 07:08:43 AM
FYI: Tim Kurkijan doesn't think the Phils will actually trade Abreu until maybe the off-season.
Jayson Stark was saying the same thing. So are most of the ESPN "experts."
Expect him to be gone by July 31.
I dont want to trade him unless we get real prospects back. The Thome trade being a great example. This isnt a case of addition by subtraction like patricia would be.
this obviously has no merit...but i laugh at the fact that a-rod would play for the newark bears before hed even think about playing for the phils
ALEX LAUGHS AT PHILLIES TRADE RUMOR
By GEORGE KING
July 21, 2006 -- TORONTO - Alex Rodriguez laughed when a trade rumor that circulated through Wall Street yesterday was relayed to him.
"It doesn't make any difference," Rodriguez said of the rumor that had the Yankees third baseman going to the Phillies as part of a blockbuster trade for Bobby Abreu, Pat Burrell, Tom Gordon and David Bell, with the Yankees supposedly also sending Melky Cabrera and a player to be named. "I would veto it."
Though Rodriguez has become the Yankee Stadium boo birds' No. 1 target, the abuse hasn't come close to having him waive the blanket no-trade clause in his contract.
A Phillies official laughed at the rumor.
Rodriguez said his bruised left big toe was feeling better and he expected to play all four games against the Blue Jays on the artificial turf at Rogers Centre.
That's hilarious and almost as outlandish as that reported 8-team deal involving Iverson.
According to the Toronto papers, the Phils and Angels have inquired about Hillenbrand
Canada knows less about baseball than Eckle does football, eh.
Isn't Hillenbrand's defense atrocious?
Good. He'll fit right in then.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 21, 2006, 06:13:05 PM
Isn't Hillenbrand's defense atrocious?
Good. He'll fit right in then.
Apparently, so is his lack of maturity and general attitude.
So, you're right, he'll fit right in.
Defense Schmefense.
6-3 Phils, bottom of the 8th. Utley had the bases loaded with 2 outs and smoked a two-run single up the middle to give the Phils some breathing room.
Nice piece of hitting there.
And even better, the Braves screwed up twice to allow it to happen. Cox left a rightie in to face Utley and Rollins got an infield hit when the pitcher failed to cover first.
Bums win 6-5.
Yep. Gordon gave up a 2-run dinger in the top of the ninth but he ended up sewing it up in the end.
Isn't Hillenbrand's defense atrocious?
yeah hes a dh...which is why it makes prefect sense for the phils to get him
Gordon gave up a 2-run dinger in the top of the ninth but he ended up sewing it up in the end.
please charlie dont pitch this man again before the deadline...not taking anything away from him this year cause hes been great so far but hes at amy given time one game away from being to old (if hes not already) and because of that they need to get rid of him and his two more years right now even if its for an average AA guy...trust me you do not want tom gordon as your closer at age 39 and 40
Lidle helped out his trade value tonight.
Lieber needs to do the same.
IGY, I wouldn't mind seeing Flash dealt. But I have to wonder what exactly the market would be for him when we see what the Braves had to give up for Wickman. They gave up a A level catching prospect.
gordon value>>wickman value
in fact gordons value will never come close to what it right now for the rest of his career
getting a big return is not the reason to deal him right now...theres two reasons to do it...
1. imo hes gonna fall off hard the rest of this season much less into next year AND the year after...i think his first half this year was a big time oasis
2. he makes a ton of money for a almost 40 year old closer
as far as he goes cut your lossses right now if you can
I don't disagree. I wouldn't mind dealing him.
But I don't want to get some low level guy. Clearing money is not an issue because just losing Bell, Lieberthal and Wolf's contracts frees up $21M. And I assume that Lieber will be dealt too thus clearing $7.5M more.
I'd try to move him in a package deal. Or let's hope that someone's closers elbow blows up in the next couple of days. Maybe Papelbon is due for some Tommy John.
you have to think tho
move him now for a mid level guy vs not being able to move him at all for the next two years while hes either taking up the closer spot and sucking or a set up role and sucking all the while making 8 million a year
Unless Gillick pulls several rabbits out of his hat in the next several days, Gordon is useless on this team.
He'd be great for a pennant contender (Detroit has Doug Jones as the closer - they ain't winning nothing with that hack saving games) but for this team, he's a luxury they don't need.
Get rid of Abreu or Burrell (as if) get a major-league caliber catcher, get a true leadoff hitter and revamp the starting pitching staff.
It sounds like an impossible task, and it probably is, but the sooner Gillick starts, the better.
PS: Fire the yokel too. They need a proven winner leading the team and Manuel isn't it.
gillick only signed a 2 year deal. so none of this will happen.
gillick will retire at the end of next season. and ruben amaro jr will be the next phillies gm.
Romey, they have Todd Jones. Although I can see how you erred. Both were closers in Detroit and both were in Philadelphia and sucked here.
Wing,
Gillick signed a 3yr deal. So the inevitable Amaro-to-GM thing will not happen until 2009. Only way it happens earlier is if Gillick says "farg these owners, retirement is better for me". And that could happen too.
They can't win with Todd Jones either.
;)
Quote07/22/2006 12:58 AM ET
Gillick says Manuel's job is safe
General manager supports skipper despite club's struggles
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com
PHILADELPHIA -- Manager Charlie Manuel won't be dismissed this season, general manager Pat Gillick said on a Philadelphia radio station on Friday.
In an appearance on the Jody McDonald show on WPEN 950-AM on Friday, the Phils' GM gave Manuel the strongest public endorsement yet this season. Asked if he saw any scenario for a change, Gillick said, "No, not at all."
"As we're sitting here today, Charlie's our manager," Gillick said. "With the things that have happened over the course of the season, even though he's the most public figure, the responsibility for the way the team has played doesn't only fall on the manager, the coaches and the playing personnel, it falls on the management of the club."
Gillick had offered a lukewarm endorsement on June 18 when asked about Manuel's status. At that time, Gillick said he thought the skipper was doing a good job. The GM has repeatedly said he likes the way Manuel motivates players.
Gillick made those comments on the radio in the afternoon and wasn't available to local media later in the day. Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful. A club official said Gillick was in meetings with members of the Clearwater, Fla., staff.
Gillick offered another "not at all," when asked if the Phils had any interest in Shea Hillenbrand, who was designated for assignment by the Blue Jays on Wednesday and dealt to the Giants late Friday night. Gillick said the team has both a short-term and long-term plan to contend, meaning he believes the club isn't in need of serious rebuilding.
"I'm going to be listening the next 10 days or so," Gillick said. "Probably a lot of phone time here. If you're talking all the time, you're not listening. I like to listen to what other clubs have to say. I may inititate another call, but it's a situation where you have an idea who you match up with and who has players that may make you better, and you go from there."
Gillick didn't need a reminder that the Phils are 5 1/2 games behind the Reds in the National League Wild Card standings, and trailed eight teams in the race. Still, he wouldn't commit to whether the club is a buyer or a seller leading up to the July 31 trade deadline.
This weekend's series against the Braves will likely go a long way toward determining that.
"I think you have to have a short- and a long-range plan, and we have a plan for both those in place," Gillick said. "We're going to try and do both. I think you can. There are players who can help you now and in the future, if you make a deal for a player that can help you now but could be around for a while." * WTF is he talking about? * :sly
The GM said he thought this season was "disappointing" overall, but sees the potential for improvement. He also knows that the Phillies likely will need help from other teams.
"A lot depends on how you play and how others play," Gillick said. "At the moment, there's a lot of teams in front of us in the Wild Card. You have to monitor on a daily basis, but you get an idea of where you are not from the standings, but how you're team is playing. And we have been pretty inconsistent. If we play consistently the next 11 or 12 games, that may be a sign that we are playing together."
Wonderful. A GM who, at least on the surface, doesn't appear to have a clue.
I hope this is nothing but a smokescreen.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 22, 2006, 08:47:50 AM
Wonderful. A GM who, at least on the surface, doesn't appear to have a clue.
I hope this is nothing but a smokescreen.
i'm not sure it is a smokescreen.
i didnt know this until recently, but you know he never once talked to Vicente Padilla or his agent (you know, the 10-5 guy with a 4.15 ERA in the AL, maintaining a 1.32 WHIP)...he asked other phils employees about what he was like.
instead...he gave padilla away...and signed Ryan Franklin.
is that 10 win vincente padilla youre talking about???
Vicente would be the ace of the Phillies staff, the next time Myers beats his woman.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 22, 2006, 04:10:17 PM
Vicente would be the ace of the Phillies staff, the next time Myers beats his woman.
To be fair, Brett did tell the bish twice.
No mention of Fasano being DFA'ed??
Bye Sal
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 22, 2006, 06:36:07 PM
No mention of Fasano being DFA'ed??
Bye Sal
Does this mean that they're satisfied with Ruiz and Coste as the backup catchers?
Or is there a trade in the works?
Ruiz is back at SWB. They're going with Lieberthal and Coste for now...
but...but....sal handles pitchers so well......
6 games back. Who believes. Who!!
(http://www.tackleboxclub.com/Worms/Crickets.jpeg)
1. Romey, I understand what Pat is saying. He's saying, and I'm using this deal as an example to illustrate the point, that if he were able to unload Burrell and Gordon in a package deal for Erik Bedard and Melvin Mora he has gotten better this year while also getting better for the future.
2. Goodbye, Sal. I didn't really hate him but I hated the worship of him by the clueless fans who just loved his goatee and mullet.
3. I was a Crazy Vicente fan. Still am too. Pat bought what the clueless front office told him about Padilla. They told him he was a headcase who drank too much and couldn't be in Philly anymore.
And I guaranteed Wheels jumped out from under Monty's desk to let Gillick know that Padilla was a "space cadet".
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 23, 2006, 01:59:16 AM
2. Goodbye, Sal. I didn't really hate him but I hated the worship of him by the clueless fans who just loved his goatee and mullet.
guess you hated a lot of fans back in 1993.
David. West.
As usual the Phillies are offering up a tidal wave of support for Myers.
1-1 after 4 innings.
After 8: 1-1
Myers left in = 2-1 Braves
Gordon comes in = 5-1 Braves
yay
At this point, keep losing! Sell sell SELL!
Just got back from the game, highlight was taunting Wickman in the pen.
This team is a complete mess and Aaron Rowand now has a lower OPS than David Bell.
ugh
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 23, 2006, 07:18:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 23, 2006, 01:59:16 AM
2. Goodbye, Sal. I didn't really hate him but I hated the worship of him by the clueless fans who just loved his goatee and mullet.
guess you hated a lot of fans back in 1993.
Not at all. Those guys deserved admiration and support. Sal wasn't a bad defensive catcher but he was worshipped by some (Sal's Pals) just because of the way he looked.
I have no problem rooting for a dirty, gritty ballplayer at all. But have some basis for the admiration. Thats all I am saying.
Blow it up. Push the plunger down, Pat. Sets it on fire!
It was probably more a writer's pipedream than a rumor but someone in the paper suggested McCarthy and Josh Fields for Gordon.
I love Gordon but I would carry Gordon on my back to Chicago for that deal.
That would be a coup.
I'd take it in a heartbeat.
Lieber
Lidle
Cormier
Rhodes
Gordon
Burrell
Dellucci
Abreu
Those are the guys who I would be looking to unload.
Yep, my list is the same except with Rowand also on it. I doubt you could get much for him, but I dont want him on the team next year.
I wouldnt understand the reasoning in keeping him when you have a very similiar player in Victorino who is sitting on the bench for a couple million cheaper and when you have the possible answer to our leadoff problem destroying AAA pitching right now.
I have a baseball boner for Michael Bourn.
Totally disagree with you on that one. Rowand is great because of his defense. He's not having a good year at the plate, but I think thats just an aberration.
Up the middle defense is muy importante. His range in CF is very good and needed.
Victorino? I like him but I would like to see him in LF if BUrrell is traded. And I hope Pat is dealt so we can see Shane play everyday and see if he is able to perform. He's somewhat unknown.
And even more unknown is Mike Bourn.
I almost blew off the kids this afternoon to stay home and watch this shtein. I am so glad the wife kicked us out of the house on a beautiful day in paradise to go surfing. Even though the surf wasn't all that great, had I stayed home to watch this joke I would have died. 11 hits and 1 farging run. Jesus H. Christ.
As bad as Rowand has been at the plate this year, he was worse last year, which is why I am not sure it was an abberation.
But I really really hate Rowand. It isnt healthy.
FWIW a scout from baseball america I talk to claims that Victorino and Bourn are both on Rowand's level defensively if not better. He is a phillies fan so he tends to overrate them, but still.
In case you are wondering how fast Bourn really is, at the end of last year he scored on a sacrifice fly from second base with no errors on the play. :-D
I happened to catch the last few innings of that gem last night.
Abreu dogging it around 1st, thinking he had an easy gap double, was hilarious (although I didn't see Renteria's glove tag him at 2nd before he got a hand down).
How many pitches had Myers thrown before Chollie sent him out for the 9th?
ill say it again....deal gordon NOW!!
In my opinion, they should
Keep: Howard, Myers (they need pitching, and right now he's the best), Utley, Rowand, Rollins (though I'm ambivalent about the last two right now, both give good defense)
Deal: Gordon, Abreu, Burrell, Lieber, Lidle, Bell (he's hitting over .280 now? DEAL HIM!)
Bring up: Bourn, Floyd (it's time to sink or swim)
I know there's more to do than that, but this is off the top of my head.
Bring up: Floyd (it's time to sink or swim)
YES!!
Everyone put your Rowand boners away, he's not that good.
he was tearing it up before his face was mashed. i'll give him the benefit of the doubt this year, but if you got good prospects for him i'd do it.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 24, 2006, 08:30:28 AM
In my opinion, they should
Keep: Howard, Myers (they need pitching, and right now he\'s the best), Utley, Rowand, Rollins (though I\'m ambivalent about the last two right now, both give good defense)
Deal: Gordon, Abreu, Burrell, Lieber, Lidle, Bell (he\'s hitting over .280 now? DEAL HIM!)
Bring up: Bourn, Floyd (it\'s time to sink or swim)
I know there\'s more to do than that, but this is off the top of my head.
They have a real good 19 year old catcher in Lakewood named Lou Marsen. He is gonna develop. We need a deal with the Dbacks. I know a pitcher there who I had in Little League years ago. He is a 7 foot closer named Ryan Doherty in A ball. He throws strikes and has a rubber arm. Word is he will be in the show in two years.
(http://enrico.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/myerswifesign_1.jpg)
Latest Abreu rumor floating around: OF Craig Monroe, RHP prospect Humberto Sanchez and RHP prospect Jordan Tata
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 24, 2006, 03:59:14 PM
Latest Abreu rumor floating around: OF Craig Monroe, RHP prospect Humberto Sanchez and RHP prospect Jordan Tata
Exactly what I was thinking! ::)
Quote from: stalker on July 24, 2006, 01:28:12 PM
They have a real good 19 year old catcher in Lakewood named Lou Marsen. He is gonna develop. We need a deal with the Dbacks. I know a pitcher there who I had in Little League years ago. He is a 7 foot closer named Ryan Doherty in A ball. He throws strikes and has a rubber arm. Word is he will be in the show in two years.
Sixers?
Kole struck out the side to lead off the game :yay
Chase singles to left on the first pitch he sees. 24-game hitting streak (longest in majors this year)....
And the Phils leave um' loaded - ah, music to my ears. hahahahahahahahaha....................farg!
And Hamels follows up 4 straight K's by giving up two blasts... one to Todd Pratt.
OK, that's it. Turning this crap off and watching Glen Beck.
Losers.
u mean to tel me u guys still watch the phillies??? :-D
Phils get a run back on an RBI single by Abreu.
Kole just struck out the side for the 3rd time in 4 innings.....10 Ks in 4 innings :evil
12 Ks in 5 innings......4 shy of tying a Phillies record
"Hamels strikes out 17. Phils lose."
Ha.
Quote from: mussa on July 24, 2006, 07:49:37 PM
u mean to tel me u guys still watch the phillies??? :-D
I still listen. Watching could kill me.
Cole left in
7-1 Braves :-D :'(
Cole done
great defense behind the kid. i can't wait until Lieberthal is gone.
(http://www.concretefield.net/forum/Smileys/classic/boom.gif)
7-4 after 6
Abreu Ks looking with 2 RISP. clutch
9-4. Franklin again.
Bell HR. 9-6. They won't die.
They die. They just like to make it as prolonged and agonizingly as possible.
Howard with another HR. 9-8. won't die!!!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 24, 2006, 09:47:20 PM
They die. They just like to make it as prolonged and agonizingly as possible.
would you expect anything less?
10-8 Braves final
Phew. I that is incredibly accurate almost went to that game tonight. I still might go Wednesday. HOLLA
Believe or Leave, kids. Believe or Leave.
If Colbert goes more than 5.1 he has 20K's.
Keep on losing, dickbags. 6 days left until they blow it up.
PS - That Abreu to DET for Tata, Sanchez and Monroe I would do.
nothing will happen of any signifigance by the trade deadline
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2006, 01:30:29 AM
Believe or Leave, kids. Believe or Leave.
I left. I am just waiting around for the explosion. My brother had a shot at some real nice tickets, wanted to know if I wanted in and I told him not to give this farging shtein product dime one. We're going to catch a training camp day instead. farg the Phils.
Rick White completes me.
i hate this team
Only 1.5 games out of last place :-D
I had some question about whether or not I would attend tonight's game.
Now I certainly know for sure that it is NOT worth a Ryan Howard bobblehead.
Fasano traded to Yankees for Hector Made (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060726/SPORTS/60726008)
he will be a fan favorite in new york too.
utley continues on fire
leiber with a nice outing...enough to improve his trade value in his last pre deadline start
So, who actually goes?
I say they get rid of Burrell and Lieber, because they're willing to do pure salary dumps with them.
Fasano started for the Yanks tonight and the game is on ESPN. With George's haircut rules, Sal now looks like Steve Balboni
Diamondback announcers said it was announced that tonight was the largest crowd in CBP History.
Phillies fans love them some Ryan Howard Bobbleheads.
4 days until detonation
I say they get rid of Burrell
i think hes the only definite not to go...unless the phils take on a whole lot of his contract....you hear all this stuff about how teams are worried about taking on abreus salary what burrell who will make 27 mil over the next two years and is a terrible player....i would be a pig in shtein tho if it happens
leiber is def gone
delucci or abreu are gone but not both (or if you think theres a chance of burrell going then two of those three are gone)
acording to the Delaware News Journal, the house was full of scouts lastnight looking at Lieber. The Yanks, RedSawks being the major players there. Get something of worth for the guy Gillick
Can we somehow trade Lieber for Jerry Porter?
utley hit in the first...dont know what it looked like but lets see if the phils retaliate
Corey Lidle drilled Shawn Green in the 2nd, after a homerun
i figured something would happen
now lets hope for a full scale brawl where ryan howard squeezes someones head till it pops off
Pez dispenser?
Chase extends his hitting streak
Lieberthal hit his first home run of the year. Maybe they'll be able to trade him now. Ha.
Let me guess, no one on base, Phils winning at the time?
2 run HR, when they were down 2-0
WOW...Trade him his stock will never be higher
Lieby = clutch jewess
Phils win 5-2. Based on today, a Lidle trade would net us some decent prospects...
5th inning, and the Phils have zero hits.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
5th inning, and the Phils have zero hits.
Stop being such a negadelphian.
I mean, for God's sake... they're facing Ricky Nolasco, after all.
Sheesh!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 28, 2006, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
5th inning, and the Phils have zero hits.
Stop being such a negadelphian.
I mean, for God's sake... they're facing Ricky Nolasco, after all.
Sheesh!
Myers is pitching very well, too. Just two hits thus far.
In the 6th now, and still a goose-egg for the Fightins.
Phils down 1-0.
And who finally gets the Phils' first hit in the 7th inning? Abraham Nunez. :-D
they're facing Ricky Nolasco, after all.
nolasco is a stud...hes what cole hamels should be
the marlins are gonna be really good next year and scary good in two years....dont understand how they can score with young player after young player for the last ten years and phils cant do it over the last 130 years
utley streak goes on...
I thought that myself too, IGY.
How the hell can these guys hit on young player after young player? I mean...Dan Uggla? They win, blow it up. Win again and blow it up. And now they're in great position to build.
2 more days. Sell, sell, sell.
Milwaukee Brewers close to trading for DAVID BELL! (http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060728&content_id=1580362&vkey=news_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil)
Bye.
And it is OFFICIAL!
Pat Gillick on CSN doing a press conference now!
The newest Phillie - Wilfrido Laureano (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=457500)
He was such a proffesional.
And a professional too.
Spelling is for losers.
I know dumping Bell was a pure salary move, but do the Phils have ANYONE to play 3rd, even as a stop-gap, this year? Nunez should be in the minors, for Chrissakes.
EDIT: Nevermind, it WILL be Nunez at 3B (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060728&content_id=1580683&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi). Yuck.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 29, 2006, 08:24:26 AM
I know dumping Bell was a pure salary move, but do the Phils have ANYONE to play 3rd, even as a stop-gap, this year? Nunez should be in the minors, for Chrissakes.
EDIT: Nevermind, it WILL be Nunez at 3B (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060728&content_id=1580683&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi). Yuck.
Hey, Nunez has been on a hot streak. He's back over .150 now!
It's sad but true that we'll probably miss David Bell this year.
Not an awful move. We are not making the playoffs this year. So, who cares if Nunez is at third. There is no good young player in the minors that we need to give a shot to at third. Nunez has been awful, but who knows, he could prove himself effective at third over these last two months.
My kids have been pissing me off the last couple days so I'm taking them to the late game tomorrow night as punishment. I'll have my ipod with me and will be watching podcasts of Chapelle's Show.
Punishing your kids by making them go to a Phillies game? Nice.
The cops will be at Sarge's door on Monday morning to arrest him for child abuse.
Instead of the Joan Crawford Wire Hangar treatment, Sassy's kids get the Phillies?
Brutal.
So, who plays 3rd next year? Maybe they'll be able to snag Wilson Betemit from the Braves Dodgers!
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 29, 2006, 03:38:50 PM
So, who plays 3rd next year?
From mlbtraderumors.com...
Quote2007 Free Agent Market: Third Basemen
I don't have any sweet exclusive rumors for you at the moment, so a look at next year's free agent third basemen will have to suffice. We'll just check out players that I consider possible regulars. Also, you can view all the entries for the 2007 MLB free agents.
2006 League Averages for Third Basemen
AL: .263/.335/.431
NL: .283/.353/.476
Aaron Boone - The 33 year-old is having an uninspiring season at .263/.319/.371. The Indians kept him for $3.75MM this season with an option for '07 at the same salary. With Andy Marte and Kevin Kouzmanoff waiting in the wings, free agency is a foregone conclusion. Boone is the third-worst 3B in the game this year, so maybe I should've left him off the list like I did with David Bell. Hopefully the Pirates won't sign Boone.
Pedro Feliz - Feliz is doing his thing once again, hitting for decent power with awful on-base skills. Feliz can play left field, so don't be surprised if the Cubs add him this offseason to guarantee they finish last in OBP. He's 31 years old.
Aubrey Huff - Huff is finally heating up in June after a lousy start that included a layoff for a knee sprain. The Dodgers and Tigers are said to be interested; Huff makes $6.75 and will almost certainly be dealt. He can play any of the corner positions, though none of them well. He's worth around $11MM from 2007-09 according to Baseball Prospectus, so he'll almost certainly sign a bad contract this winter. Huff is the youngster of the group at 29.
Joe Randa - Randa is the definition of average. Despite that, the 36 year-old earned about $20MM throughout his career. He missed most of May with a bone contusion in his foot, and is definitely being showcased for a trade. The Padres could pick him up for pennies on the dollar. He'll probably get his typical one-year, $4MM contract this offseason in return for his below average but tolerable production.
Nomar Garciaparra - Nomar is second in baseball with a .358 average. This must be the Ex-Cub factor coming into play. He might be able to cash all of his playing time incentives this year and earn $8MM. Garciaparra can play the corners or maybe left field at this point, and his one-year contract may really help him cash in, Millwood style. Baseball Prospectus thinks he'll be out of baseball by 2010, so this will be a very dangerous signing. Nomar is 32 currently.
Shea Hillenbrand - He hasn't played third base full-time since 2002. Still, this is a weak crop. He promised us 30 HR and 100 RBI in the preseason and is pacing for about 27 and 87, both of which would be career highs. Another well-timed career year; Hillenbrand could be trouble at $7-8MM a year. He's already 30 years old.
This is a worrisome group. Teams should really look within to fill the third base job; several of these signings (Nomar, Hillenbrand) may be disastrous. Randa is the low-risk, low-reward pick; Huff could be a decent option if he comes at a bargain after an off-year.
!ramoN ngiS
Nothing great in there, but some players who could be definate capable players for a few years into Costanzo is ready. I'm more concered with getting a) Zito/better pitching and b) a catcher not named Mike Lieberthal than whose gonna play third.
Dependa on what ramoN wants. With a .350+ average this season, his agent will be trying to say that Garciaparra is "back," and be asking for the big $$$.
Besides, when we pry A-Rod from the Yankees, we'll be set. 8) ;D :=)
A-Rod has forgotten how to play in the field, though.
He'll fit right in then.
I just figured I'd say it before someone else did.
Fielding is the least of the Phillies problems.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, but it's of miniscule importance compared to other issues.
The Phillies are currently 10th in errors and 11th in fielding percentage in the NL.
It's a problem and a serious one at that.
Of course, David Bell is gone now, so that should improve.
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 29, 2006, 05:24:40 PM
He'll fit right in then.
I just figured I'd say it before someone else did.
BOO silly Mets fans!
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Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 29, 2006, 05:45:10 PM
The Phillies are currently 10th in errors and 11th in fielding percentage in the NL.
Clutch hitting (and hitting in general) and pitching consistency have been much bigger problems.
Tonight's lineup vs Dontrelle Willis:
RF Victorino
CF Rowand
2B Utley
LF Burrell
1B Howard
C Coste
3B Nunez
SS Sandoval
P Hamels
ouch
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 29, 2006, 06:10:42 PM
Tonight's lineup vs Dontrelle Willis:
RF Victorino
CF Rowand
2B Utley
LF Burrell
1B Howard
C Coste
3B Nunez
SS Sandoval
P Hamels
ouch
World. Se--...
Nevermind.
This game is going differently than expected.
I got hard thinking about this rotation next year:
Zito
Wife Beater
Lieber
Wolf/Lidle/random 4th starter
Hamels
Think about that, and factor in no Ryan Franklin or Arthur Rhodes into the bullpen you have yourself a team that will probably win around 86 games and choke in september.
FRANKLIN DFA'ed to make room for Wolf :yay
ABREU PULLED FROM THE STARTING LINEUP
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 30, 2006, 01:20:36 PM
ABREU PULLED FROM THE STARTING LINEUP
Just saw that on TV. The announcer said: "Speculate at your own risk."
So long, Bobby.
Good luck dealing with the fans in New York.
I'm sure they'll appreciate your work ethic and hustle.
:D
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 30, 2006, 12:38:45 PM
FRANKLIN DFA'ed to make room for Wolf :yay
When Hamels went down last night and they brought Franklin in with the bases loaded I was expecting a complete meltdown. Instead he threw 2 pitches and got an easy double play ball. I was amazed.
And drunk.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 30, 2006, 01:20:36 PM
ABREU PULLED FROM THE STARTING LINEUP
:o
Give us something good, Pat. I hate to see Bobby go, but if they do trade him it better be a good goddamn trade.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 30, 2006, 01:58:47 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 30, 2006, 01:20:36 PM
ABREU PULLED FROM THE STARTING LINEUP
:o
Give us something good, Pat. I hate to see Bobby go, but if they do trade him it better be a good goddamn trade.
According to ESPN.com he and Lidle have been traded to the Yanks, it does not yet say for what.
No shtein?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!??!??!?!?
Rumor is the Yanks' #1 pick last year C.J. Henry, reliever Matt Smith and a 3rd lesser prospect
Basically it was a total salary dump and the Phils got nothing. yay
QuoteESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported the Yankees will send 18-year-old minor-league shrotstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-leauge player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts
What. The. Farg.
Slopslopslopslopslopslopslopsloppppppp.
And why take on a SS?
Jesus Christ.
I know they had to give Lidle in order for NY to eat Abreu's contract. But gettings this slop in return is bullshtein.
Hope the Abreu haters are happy. We got rid of him and got slop.
Now we can trade for Adrian Beltre :-D
F Ed Wade and F Pat Burrell.
They are part of this.
Wade for giving out the fat money and Pat for refusing to waive his NTC and for being a general Hoyda.
If that was the best offer out there then so be it. Abreu isn't nearly worth what he's going to make next season so getting something for him in return is better than getting nothing. Plus this frees up more money to sign an F/A in the offseason. I'm not an Abreu hater but I'm glad to see him go.
We already had $21.5M when you subtract Bell, Lieby and Wolf. Now they get about $15M more. So we're looking at $36M to spend.
Is this ownership going to pump the payroll back up to the mid90M range? I doubt it. This way they lower the payroll and get cheaper.
They should have only dealt him if they were getting a better player in return. And if that meant eating some of his contract to get a pitcher, then you eat some of his contract.
We're not going to make the playoffs this season, he's not worth $15 million next season so I'm glad they got what they could for him. Maybe their payroll doesn't reach the mid 90's again but has having that high of a payroll gotten us anywhere? Nope.
CJ Henry was taken with the #17 pick we gave to the Yankees for signing Lieber. ha!
Q&A from February (http://yankees.scout.com/2/496802.html)
He compares himself to Jeter and A-Rod.... :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 30, 2006, 02:06:27 PM
And why take on a SS?
Jesus Christ.
I know they had to give Lidle in order for NY to eat Abreu's contract. But gettings this slop in return is bullshtein.
Hope the Abreu haters are happy. We got rid of him and got slop.
can you say Florida Marlins (salary dump).
Abreau+Lidle for C.J. Henry (minor league SS) + Matt Smith (reliever) + 1 more minor leaguer.
Abreu is in the dugout with a red Phillies shirt on. He shook hands and hugged each player one by one. Now he's sitting with his (ex) teammates...
Payroll next year will be no higher than $75m, I'll bet.
Pat better be trading Lieber, Fultz, Cormier and some others too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 30, 2006, 03:19:43 PM
Pat better be trading Lieber, Fultz, Cormier and some others too.
BURRELL.
stupid ass trade
as phreak said more than enough money was coming off the books without dumping abreus contract
and remember abreu has a 2 million dollar buy out after next year...you could have easily kept him for one more season....i dont understand why you would dump him for nothing...they should have also attached burrell to him if they were gonna insist on attaching lidle
Wait, wait...the day is saved.
Jesus Sanchez - C
and some dud with the last name Monasterio who is a THP are included too.
Yay, Gillick. Great trade.
What a buncha horseshtein. >:(
howards been walked five times today
can you say shook?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2006, 04:21:28 PM
howards been walked five times today
can you say shook?
Five walks? How many IBB?
Lieberthal hitting a grand slam shook me up.
Abraham Nunez has started hitting too. I just hope that he doesn't do too well and fool Gillick into thinking he can be our 3B next year.
They are showing Bobby A getting a HUGE standing ovation between innings. They announced the trade on the PA and Bobby took a curtain call.
I am going to miss Bobby A. :(
im not sure how many intentional...i was driving home from camp for about 1/3 of the game
I just found the box score...only one IBB. His line is 0-0 2R and 5 BB.
Now that Abreu is gone, does that mean Dellucci will get a full time spot in the OF?
thanks for lidle & abreu, i guess. :paranoid
sheff's outta here after the season so i guess abreu's the new rf for a few seasons...at least we got him for nothing. :deion
Quote from: Second Coming on July 30, 2006, 04:31:56 PM
I just found the box score...only one IBB. His line is 0-0 2R and 5 BB.
Now that Abreu is gone, does that mean Dellucci will get a full time spot in the OF?
Probably not. Dellucci should be traded too. Teams are looking for a LH bat and he is only signed through the end of this year. He said he wants to play more and I think they are going to play Victorino in RF.
David has been playing a lot to be showcased and because Burrell is a huge vadge and sucks right now. But if STL or a team like that wants him, I bet Gillick deals him.
Quote from: hunt on July 30, 2006, 04:35:08 PM
thanks for lidle & abreu, i guess. :paranoid
sheff's outta here after the season so i guess abreu's the new rf for a few seasons...at least we got him for nothing. :deion
Lidle is a decent started and has thrown real well lately.
Stark was on ESPNews saying that Shef is pissed off something fierce and is blowing up on the Yanks FO.
Now that Abreu is gone, does that mean Dellucci will get a full time spot in the OF?
i think all the shane victorino groupies now get their wish
Bye Bobby. I won't miss you.
Notes from another MB on Gillicks PC on CSN:
- Had a major deal blow up on them last night and since it blew up they went this route with dealing Abreu. (My guess is they had Burrell traded and he vetoed it. If thats true it will make me hate Burrell even more).
- Said there are 1 or 2 more deals that he wants to get done.
- Said he would probably not move Dellucci because that would leave him with 3 OFs
Here is Chief17's recap: he did a pretty good job
Quote-Deal was done at 12:30....Amaro finalized the waiving of the no-trade at 2:30
-Abreu gave them an idea of where he would go a week ago
-Said the team wasn't good enough, they haven't won with this group and you have to change the mix. Said he wanted the payroll flexibility to do some things in the offseason
-Said he had a very limited market because Abreu could control where he would go. Said he had a small group of clubs to work with and couldn't play one team off to work against the other. Said there were 4 teams that Abreu said he would go to.
-Said the deal will give others a chance to play and he thinks people will be suprised how well they play
-Expect at least 1 or 2 more moves......1 more for sure
-The no-trade clauses and contracts didn't give him flexibility. HE HAD OTHER DEALS IN PLACE BUT NO-TRADE CLAUSES KILLED IT.
-Yankees went back and forth on Lidle vs. Lieber. Said the deciding factor was Lidle's contract expiring.
-Said he had some other deals on the table for Abreu, but the Yankees deal was the best
-A deal for another player blew up this morning. Not Lieber or Abreu. Nothing is imminent with Lieber right now.
-They like Dellucci and he will be here for at least the rest of the season
-Re-iterated they had to change the mix......the status quo wasn't going to win.
-"John" (a scout, not sure of last name) loves the lefty they got from the Yankees. Arbuckle is very high on Henry and Sanchez.
-Main benefit of the deal was payroll flexibility
-Said he's had no salary restrictions since coming to Philly
-Had to buy out Abreu's no-trade clause
-Said realistically, this team isn't ready to contend in 2007 at this point. Cited a very young pitching staff that is going to take some lumps next year. He is going to build the team with young players and trades rather than free agency.
-Said the main focus is filling holes on the pitching staff
-Said the starting pitching is the main reason they suck (my words). Said all phases of the team have been inconsistent.
nice post Phreak!QuoteMain benefit of the deal was payroll flexibility
read: cheap. Let's hope the Phils truly will use this savings wisely. plus Leiby, Bell, Wolf probable savings.
QuoteSaid the deal will give others a chance to play and he thinks people will be suprised how well they play
let us pray. Hopefully we can get the whole team to play with Utley's heart.
QuoteSaid he had some other deals on the table for Abreu, but the Yankees deal was the best
...and even this "best" doesn't appear that way...yet.
QuoteSaid the starting pitching is the main reason they suck (my words).
suck is correct.
QuoteSaid all phases of the team have been inconsistent
team has no heart!
Who's Chief17?
Fact is, Abreu had very little power this year, and in fact very little since the HR Derby title last year.
He still has a high OBP, but his slugging percentage is .434 for the season, and BELOW .400 since June 1.
Gillick was just not going to get a lot for him. Abreu has been a very average player for a large part of this season, and for the second half of last season.
-Main benefit of the deal was payroll flexibility
-going to build the team with young players and trades rather than free agency
Random thoughts:
Is anyone surprised that payroll is going to drop off? I'm sure they'll use the "reasoning" of no longer being in the top % of income. Of course, having a team that sucks makes it hard to sell tickets.
Henry will (supposedly) be ready to take over at SS at just about the time Rollins comes up for free agency.
Howard should be batting third for now. They may slide Burrell to 3rd and Howard to 4th to keep the L-R-L going. If Burrell ever plays again.
I suspect that Lieber will be gone soon. Once again, call up Floyd.
Bruce Sutter looks like the minister that officiated my wedding. Did I really watch him play when I was a kid? He looks... old.
Buck O'Neil should be inducted into the Hall of Fame today. MLB blundered again on this one.
Wild guess: Alan Trammell manages the Fightins next season.
Trammell? Nah. Hopefully it's Pendleton or Hershiser...
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 30, 2006, 07:48:50 PM
Trammell? Nah. Hopefully it's Pendleton or Hershiser...
Like I said, total wild guess. I can hear the announcement now: "Alan has a track record of being able to patiently guide young players."
This team is going to suck hard next year, no matter who the manager is.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 30, 2006, 06:46:52 PM
Who's Chief17?
A poster on PhilaPhans. He re-capped the PC...
Mike Bourn called up
Scott Mathieson called up
No TV tonight. LIstening to it on radio and Patricia hit a HR.
I wonder if Gillick isn't full of sh** with Dellucci. I'd like to see him stay, but why if they won't be able to re-sign him?
1-1, bottom of the 5th. Utley 0-2
Utley singles in Dellucci to give the Phils a 3-2 lead.
Utley now at 31
And Howard kills another one. Jeez he's a manchild.
Ok. Right now its a zesty deal. But...if these guys pan out to be something (or end up being trade bait for a good player), and most importantly, the newfound flexibility in salary can yield us Barry Zito (or another top tier sp), I'd be pleased.
I'm furious right now because I know farging Burrell nixed a deal. I want Victorino, Dellucci and Rowand to be the starting OF. farg Burrell. I hate him.
Quote from: MDS on July 30, 2006, 09:32:04 PM
f these guys pan out to be something (or end up being trade bait for a good player), and most importantly, the newfound flexibility in salary can yield us Barry Zito (or another top tier sp), I'd be pleased.
I'm furious right now because I know farging Burrell nixed a deal. I want Victorino, Dellucci and Rowand to be the starting OF. farg Burrell. I hate him.
1. Kind of like how Haigwood got us Fabio Castro? You know, the guy who last pitched like 37 days ago....
2. Burrell is a fleshpopbag.
3. Barry Zito sucks.
they seem to be taking this trade hard tonight, eh?
BTW, if they hold on for the win, they'll be in 2nd place all by themselves again and tied for 5th with MIL and LA for the wildcard race.... :-D
Best of luck to Bobby & Cory.
BTW: You gotta love how they went out and scored 20 runs today. Utley is absolutely on fire right now.
Utley is 3rd in the batting title race....and the first two (Nomar, Chipper) are on the DL :)
Our power was out for five hours today at the house (lightning storms suck) so we took a long drive up the coast and listened to the Phillies game on XM. It reminded me of when we were kids coming back from the shore and my Dad would have the Phillies on the radio.
Utley is just absolutely dialed in right now. If the Phillies are planning on building the franchise around him and Howard, there's actually a chance that the team might turn the corner some day.
I hope to God that Gillick knows what the farg he's doing here and that the Phillies aren't planning on pocketing the 15 million next year.
Gillick said he thinks Burrell will be here next year. Christ almighty. :boom
And I wonder how long it will take Eskin to get out from behind the desk on SportsFinal. His boner for Bobby Abreu being traded is out of control. He's giddy about it.
It'll be interesting to see how they respnd to this shake up. With Bell gone (he went 0-4 today, by the way) and with Bobby A leaving and more of the "core group" possibly leaving I want to see how the attitude is.
Dellucci looks to be staying.
Cormier, Fultz and Lieber are the best candidates to go now. I think Rheal could end up back in Boston. Fultz could go to a team like STL and Lieber could end up being gone too. The hot rumor now is that Texas will take him.
I doubt Flash goes anywhere. It was reported that the White Sox asked about him and when the Phils asked for Josh Fields the Sox said no. So it would take Gillick being blown away in the next 16 hours for him to be dealt, IMO.
TexasRangers.com mentions Lieber-for-Blalock as a possibility...
Hmmm...
I'd take him.
But he's LH. So they'd be still heavy on the lefties.
Like deals for Fultz and Cormier mean nothing. You're not getting anything that big in return, and their contracts come off the books at the end of the year anyway. Lieber is a pretty decent #3, I see no reason in trading him unless you get something major league ready in return.
Burrell just pisses me off. Gillick knows he is basically untradeable. Nobody wants that loser on their team. He doesnt want to go anywhere. farg him and farg Ed Wade and his stupid ass FNTC.
Nice piece in Honolulu Advertiser on Victorino.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060730/SPORTS07/607300377/1032/SPORTS
Anyone have a link to a video clip of Abreu going Vadge-style near the warning track? My brother-in-law is Red Sox fan and is all butt hurt about the trade. I figured I would show him a video of Abreu in his element to ease the pain.
Took the kiddies down to the game last night. It was the first time any of us had been to the new ballpark. They could care less but I was amazed. I spent the first hour we were there just walking around checking the place out. That park is amazing.
The game wasn't half bad either. Howard's homerun landed about 50 feet to the right of me and that thing was hit a mile high too. I was having a Major League moment at first saying "Too high, too high, too high." I didn't think that thing would ever come down. It seemed like everyone was hitting them out last night. Burrell, Howard, Rollins, and Utley all homered if I remember correctly. I can see why it's a hitters park now. Even sitting out in right/center field I felt like I could have a conversation with anyone in the batter's box.
reportedly, when they posted the Abreau/Lidle trade during the game Yanks Stadium, the fans booed. :-D
Frenchy was traded to the Reds for AAA RHP Justin Germano
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 31, 2006, 10:35:00 AM
Frenchy was traded to the Reds for AAA RHP Justin Germano
I never realized he was 39 years old.
QuoteGermano was ranked by Baseball America as San Diego's seventh-best prospect prior to the 2005 season. He was dealt to the Reds later that season.
Germano appeared in two games (one start) this season for Cincinnati, going 0-1 with a 5.40 ERA. He spent the majority of the season with Triple-A Louisville, where he was 8-6 with a 3.69 ERA in 19 games
39, yet he also got a contract extension out of this trade....2007 + option for 2008 :-D
Why not? His every-other-year pattern dictates that he'll suck next season.
Plus he'll be 40.
Get what you can. Now.
How, get rid of Burrell. Even if you have to hire a hitman to do it.
Burrell's like the only RH'd bat on the team, though.
F Burrell
How sad is it that the Phillies find themselves in this laughable predicament?
Philly is the 4th or 5th largest market in the country, they have a brand new stadium, yet they're selling off pieces like they're running a fricken garage sale.
How embarrassing is that?
Jon Leiber's trade value is dropping faster than Enron stock in this game.
Bottom 2, Phils down 4-0.
Leiber blows. I wish he'd have been tossed instead of Lidle.
Not even the Yankees are stupid enough to pay Lieber $7M next year. Almost, but not quite.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 31, 2006, 01:31:45 PM
Leiber blows. I wish he'd have been tossed instead of Lidle.
I heard something on ESPN radio today (couldn't tell you who, though) that said the Phillies wanted to include Leiber, but the Yankees insisted on Lidle being included instead. There was a supposed 2nd trade involving Lidle that had to be squelched in order to complete the Abreu trade.
All rumors and stuff, but that was being bantered by the talking heads.
Leiber just doesn't have anything today.
Not even the Yankees are stupid enough to pay Lieber $7M next year. Almost, but not quite.
i think youre thinking football numbers...7 mil for one year is not that much in baseball these days for an average to good starting pitcher
I agree, IGY.
However, Leiber is neither average nor good. He's fair at best and is quite probably done for good at this point.
I hope I'm wrong, but it certainly doesn't look good.
8-1 Marlins now. Leiber just gave up a 3-run bomb to Jeremy Hermida. :-D
He's not that bad.
World
Series
Of
Poker.
Utley got his hit. 32 straight.
About the only thing worth keeping track of with the Phils right now.
9-1 and a puddle of Wesson on the mound
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 31, 2006, 02:41:28 PM
Utley got his hit. 32 straight.
About the only thing worth keeping track of with the Phils right now.
He got to 3rd before Burrell ended the inning with a scorching grounder to the pitcher.
smart move by charlie taking utley out
Even a blind squirrel...
Why is Jimmy Rollins still hitting leadoff?
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2006, 02:52:39 PM
Why is Jimmy Rollins still hitting leadoff?
Because Abreu still won't do it.
:-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 31, 2006, 02:58:55 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2006, 02:52:39 PM
Why is Jimmy Rollins still hitting leadoff?
Because Abreu still won't do it.
Ha! Also, because Victorino isn't any better at it.
Delucci does his best Abreu imitation, shying away from the wall, helping Reggie Abercrombie (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7713) get a 2-run triple in the 8th.
You all will miss him. You'll see.
Miss who?
Lieber's final line:
4 2/3 IP, 13 hits, 9 runs, 9 ER, 3K's 1BB & 3 HR's
Awesome. :yay
3 K's and only 1 walk! I'm sure he'll be traded for someone stellar in the next 6 minutes.
The Phillies couldn't get a half-eaten jelly donut for that washed-up hack.
Only Rheal was traded?
Should've dealt Fultz, Lieberthal, Lieber and Burrell too.
burrell is untradeable
i wouldnt be surprised if leiber or leiberthal got dealt and it hasnt been announced yet
why would Lieberthal be traded? He's a FA after this season, no? No one wants him or will give ANYTHING remotely worthwhile for him.
Keep Myers, Howard, Utley, Hamels, Rollins & Bourn.
Trade or release everyone else and start over.
And I'm shocked that Aaron Rowand hasn't been dealt. He hasn't been great in Philly but he'd be a great add-on piece to a puzzle on a contending team.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 31, 2006, 04:31:21 PM
why would Lieberthal be traded? He's a FA after this season, no? No one wants him or will give ANYTHING remotely worthwhile for him.
i thought the same about Bell. even if it's just some AA hack...i'd do it
Cincy was a possible spot for Lieby.
QuoteLidle blasts Phils
By Todd Zolecki
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Cory Lidle, less than 24 hours removed from his Phillies career, chucked a Molotov cocktail into the Phillies clubhousin a teleconference today with New York reporters.
First Billy Wagner.
Now Lidle?
"I'm the kind of player that goes to the field every day expecting to win," Lidle told New York reporters. "Unfortunately, the last few years, I haven't had a clubhouse that expected to win with me. It was almost a coin flip to know if the guys behind me were going to be there to play 100 percent. I know that's not going to be the deal here in New York.
"That's the reason I'm most excited to come over here. I think I'll fit in well and be able to take my game to the next level."
The Phillies traded Lidle and Bobby Abreu to the New York Yankees on Sunday for four minor-leaguers. Lidle went 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA in 21 starts for the Phillies this season. He went 13-11 with a 4.53 ERA in 2005, and 5-2 with a 3.90 ERA in 10 starts with the Phillies in 2004.
"It was a mixture of veterans and young players, and sometimes there were mixed signals," Lidle said. "Sometimes it seemed like winning was all that mattered and sometimes it seemed like winning didn't matter at all. That was the opinion I had. I don't know how true that is.
"A lot of the other guys in that clubhouse didn't all go there with one goal in mind. Everyone liked to win, but they didn't expect to win. I think being with 24 other guys that come to the clubhouse every day and expect to win will raise my level of play."
Too bad one of those questionable hearts/attitudes went with him to New York.... :)
Burrell, Lieberthal, Rollins. There's your remaining three. The more guys that leave and speak up, the more obvious it becomes that these guys are the problem...
I disagree about Rollins.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 31, 2006, 07:29:19 PM
Too bad one of those questionable hearts/attitudes went with him to New York.... :)
Burrell, Lieberthal, Rollins. There's your remaining three. The more guys that leave and speak up, the more obvious it becomes that these guys are the problem...
Rollins is not a problem, he's just stuck being a life-long Phillie. He needs a better morale on the team to break him out of his funk.
Rollins isn't going anywhere, but you don't question his offense at all? Most leadoff hitters see 3 pitches and work a 2-1 count. JRoll has a flyout and a popout by that point....
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 31, 2006, 07:38:38 PM
Rollins isn't going anywhere, but you don't question his offense at all? Most leadoff hitters see 3 pitches and work a 2-1 count. JRoll has a flyout and a popout by that point....
he definitely needs to work on patience at the plate (dare I say, like ex#53). He could be so much more effective if he didnt try to be a HR-hitting SS, every time he steps up.
The Phillies suck.
The Phillies will suck next year.
Close thread.
End.
Rollins sucks. How can you not question his effort when he has shown ZERO willingness to learn anything about hitting? He tries to be the world's smallest popfly hitter. Yay! He gets lots of triples and more homeruns than most leadoff men! Wouldn't it be slightly more useful if he was EVER on base for the big bats? He has shown no ability to learn and yet he gets a free pass from everyone. Give me a break.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 31, 2006, 07:32:22 PM
I disagree about Rollins.
i dont. they are all farg faces as far as i am concerned.
the only 4 that are not, but could go to the dark side are utley, rowand, howard, and hamels. and even howard is leaning that way more than i would like to see.
do not overvalue these "untouchables" the same way phillies management has.
I meant Rollins' attitude.
Ed's post sounded like he was lumping Rollins and his attitude with Burrell and Lieberthal.
I don't see where Rollins has a lousy attitude either.
Lieberthal and Burrell are straight-up Hoydas. I can't stomach either one of them
J-Roll is different, though. He might be pigheaded but I don't see where he's a quitter like Punch & Judy.
Plus he clearly doesn't belong at the top of the order. He'd be a nice 7 or 8 hitter and it's not his fault he's been ridiculously miscast as a leadoff man all these years.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 31, 2006, 08:53:23 PM
I don't see where Rollins has a lousy attitude either.
Lieberthal and Burrell are straight-up Hoydas. I can't stomach either one of them
J-Roll is different, though. He might be pigheaded but I don't see where he's a quitter like Punch & Judy.
Plus he clearly doesn't belong at the top of the order. He'd be a nice 7 or 8 hitter and it's not his fault he's been ridiculously miscast as a leadoff man all these years.
I literally get frustrated to the point of anger that they keep putting him in the leadoff spot. How is it possible that every person who has at least a passing interest in Phillies baseball (except the management) thinks he shouldn't be there but he goes out at the top of the lineup everyday?
I can understand why. They don't have anyone better to put there.
Plus I think Rollins believes he's a great leadoff hitter and I think that thought has been placed in his head and continually reinforced by the organization since the day he got there.
We see it for what it is. The Phillies organization from the top man down is utterly clueless. That's why the moves of the past two days are so shocking to me. It's like Gillick was the only man with a clue in the room and stood up and said either I do things my way or I walk.
The Phillies couldn't afford to have Gillick walk on them, so the "nucleus" was effectively dismantled. Too bad the one player who should have stayed ended up leaving.
Who? Abreu? I have no problem with him leaving.
Not because of attitude or anything like that. I just happen to think that he's begun the downside of his career, and it could be a quick slide.
14 home runs since the HR Derby win. Eight this year. None since... June?
Yes, his OBP numbers are still excellent. However, his SLG percentage has been mediocre all season, and his OPS numbers have dropped mightily since May.
He would still be a good leadoff hitter. I'm not so sure he's a great #3 guy. I'm interested to see where he slots in for the Yanks. I'd say... 7th.
not only that Rome, but when you get a 30+ game hitting streak, somehow you belong at the top of the order and think it can happen again--please.
Geo, I think you'll see Abreu have some great years with the Yanks, bank on it. Play for this town and the boo-ing that goes on year in and year out with every bad play, bad ground out and strike out and see if you would care.
The Yanks boo no doubt, but they have so much more to cheer for, and I think Abreu feels the energy much much more and excels
Quote from: reese125 on July 31, 2006, 10:00:52 PM
not only that Rome, but when you get a 30+ game hitting streak, somehow you belong at the top of the order and think it can happen again--please.
Geo, I think you'll see Abreu have some great years with the Yanks, bank on it. Play for this town and the boo-ing that goes on year in and year out with every bad play, bad ground out and strike out and see if you would care.
The Yanks boo no doubt, but they have so much more to cheer for, and I think Abreu feels the energy much much more and excels
We'll see. It could happen, but I don't think so. I'm not so sure it's mental- it could be a physical deterioration of his skills.
And Yankee fans can be even more vicious than Phillies fans. Just ask A-Rod.
Did anyone (IGY?) happen to catch that Joe Conklin bit on WIP today about the trade deadline? He was doing Harry's voice and had it set like a car dealership firesale commercial. farging hilarious. Especially the ending when he gives the "fine print" and then adds an Anheuser Busch type closing where he says "Remember Scott Rolen? St. Louis Missouri."
nice power numbers, ability to draw lots of walks, good looking, notorious for getting lots of tail=cancer
being a horrible player and not being able to see a metal bar right in front of your face=hero, right attitude, good for team
Why do I even wonder why we never win anything.
Burrell is lackadaisical. He doesn't give a shtein.
mp, you've got a bad case of irrational hatred for Rowand, bro. ;)
I honestly dont care if he doesnt give a shtein though. Obviously he still produces on the field. Since his contract is ridiculous I would try reworking it into a long term deal (I know) and spread the money around for about 8 million a year. I doubt Burrell would rework it though.
Yes I do, phreak. But it seems that as the year goes on my hatred becomes more and more rational. :D
What a bunch of losers. I hate this entire organization, outside of Utley and Howard.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 12:36:27 AM
I honestly dont care if he doesnt give a shtein though. Obviously he still produces on the field. Since his contract is ridiculous I would try reworking it into a long term deal (I know) and spread the money around for about 8 million a year. I doubt Burrell would rework it though.
Yes I do, phreak. But it seems that as the year goes on my hatred becomes more and more rational. :D
Yeah, but the guy is a dog. He strikes out looking more than anyone in MLB. But he's an equal opportunity K'er... I swear to god if I see that go to one knee while diving for the slider in the dirt swing one more time I'm going to kill something. I really like his ooops, let me jump out of the way of this perfect strike to make it look like its inside act.
The increase in K's looking has also had a major increase in his OBP. I am willing to make that trade off.
How can we honestly survive with that loser Pat Burrell still in LF? Bench his sorry ass.
Quote from: MDS on August 01, 2006, 01:08:47 AM
How can we honestly survive with that loser Pat Burrell still in LF? Bench his sorry ass.
I agree, he is clearly the problem with this team in the clubhouse because the fans say so.
He is a problem in the clubhouse. He doesn't care about winning. Not to mention, he is barely hitting over .250 and can barely move out in LF. He is an albatross to this team.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 01:06:22 AM
The increase in K's looking has also had a major increase in his OBP. I am willing to make that trade off.
I'd like an increase in OBP because he is being smart at the plate and not swinging at crappy pitches. So youre willing to take a higher OBP at the cost of him suckin ass with RISP?
Rhodes rips Lidle...New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/brian_cashes_in_yet_again_yankees_george_king.htm)
QuoteThat put a charge in Rhodes' blood.
"He is a scab," Rhodes said of Lidle, who according to Rhodes was a replacement player during the 1995 spring training lockout with the Brewers. "When he started, he would go 51/3 innings and (the bullpen) would have to win the game for him. The only thing Cory Lidle wants to do is fly around in his airplane and gamble.
"He doesn't have a work ethic. After every start, he didn't run or lift weights. He would sit in the clubhouse and eat ice cream."
Rhodes was aghast that Lidle would say the Phillies didn't expect to win.
"When he pitched, we busted our tails for him," the veteran reliever said. "He shouldn't say that, he shouldn't say anything like that because he is a scab. He crossed the line when guys like me, Flash (Tom Gordon) and (Mike) Lieberthal were playing. He is a replacement player."
Rhodes had a reason why Lidle went eight innings twice in a six-day period in July.
"The two games he went eight were against Atlanta, when they were struggling, and Arizona when they were struggling," Rhodes said of Lidle's outings on July 21 and July 27.
Damn, talk about going double barrel on someone. Arthur has been crap this year but I certainly like him taking Lidle to task on this.
He has a good point, though. Lidle has mostly pitched like shtein his entire career anyway.
When will people figure out it's never a good idea to burn bridges when you leave an organization?
Just keep your fricken mouth shut, or better yet, lie your ass off. Say you enjoyed your tenure and wish them nothing but the best.
How difficult is that?
PS: Love Rhodes's comments, but considering how lousy he's been, he's probably better off keeping his yap shut too.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 01, 2006, 07:30:45 AM
PS: Love Rhodes's comments, but considering how lousy he's been, he's probably better off keeping his yap shut too.
You kidding? He just saved his roster spot for next year.
Lidle was absolutley correct in his comments. just like wagner was...just like schilling was....just like rolen was.....and every other player that bashed the phillies after they left.
just because a player bashes the phils AFTER he leaves doesnt mean what hes saying is right or doesnt mean that he wasnt part of the problem...in fact its more bitch to talk shtein after you leave than anything anyone on the team is doing right now
wagner i respect as he did it when he was on the team...but who the hell is corey lidle...hes a fat out of shape scrub number five pitcher and hes running his mouth like hes a cy young winner...maybe if your skank ass pitched better there would have been more wins...shut up
as for rollins hes one of the best shortstops in baseball batting in the wrong position...you cant just teach a guy to bat leadoff...flip a switch and hell be good in that spot...if it was that easy every team would have a great leadoff guy...jimmy should be hitting seventh and if he were everyone would see the great shortstop that he is
Quote from: Wingspan on August 01, 2006, 08:04:12 AM
Lidle was absolutley correct in his comments. just like wagner was...just like schilling was....just like rolen was.....and every other player that bashed the phillies after they left.
What did Cory Lidle do during his tenure with the Phillies?
He sucked, Wing. SUCKED.
Rolen, Schilling and Wagner did not suck during their time in Philly. They produced. Therefore, they have every right to mouth off and point fingers. Lidle, on the other hand, does not. He was a part of the problem whereas the others were not.
But he was totally good for his last few starts so that totally justifies it.
Let's just say he's not wrong about the attitude of many on the team. We know that for a fact. The issue is that he's not a good player and apparently his attitude isn't really special either.
Whatever. I do find it funny that Arthur Rhodes felt the need to deflect it. Because he's awesome.
the locker room is a mess
but not because corey lidle says so and he was part of the problem
At least they were able to hold on to Lieber at the trade deadline. Starting him yesterday and having him blow the game on purpose was a stroke of genius. He's the key to a World Series run next year. Go Phils.
Sheridan put it perfectly when talking about Lidle:
QuoteNo other choice
In a sense, Gillick is in the process of hacking away an entire layer of this Phillies roster. This group, he said, "had an opportunity" to contend and never succeeded: Bobby Abreu, David Bell, Rheal Cormier and Cory Lidle were the first wave. Sal Fasano and Ryan Franklin weren't here that long, but they went. You just know Gillick did everything he could to move Pat Burrell and Jon Lieber before yesterday's deadline.
Those moves will have to wait for the off-season. Given the return on Abreu, that might have been the smarter move there, as well. But then, Abreu's no-trade clause and salary would have limited the market in November as much as it did in July.
Everything that's good and bad about baseball's system was on display here.
It is good that Gillick could make the decision to dump salary and create the flexibility to remake this team. You think Billy King would like that opportunity?
It is bad that a team like the Yankees could steal Abreu, and force the Phillies to throw in a serviceable starter like Lidle, while giving up little except George Steinbrenner's millions. Gillick has officially had more impact on the AL East race than the NL East.
And it also feels wrong that a guy like Lidle, Mr. Mediocrity for two seasons here, gets plopped into a pennant race. You really shouldn't be eligible for a get-out-of-jail-free card if you helped build the jail.
lidle very well could have been part of the problem. and he could very well be a little bitch. and has been mediocre...but...
but that doesnt change the fact that what he said was right.
this shtein team really doesnt care if they win or lose.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2006, 08:15:48 AM
as for rollins hes one of the best shortstops in baseball batting in the wrong position...you cant just teach a guy to bat leadoff...flip a switch and hell be good in that spot...if it was that easy every team would have a great leadoff guy...jimmy should be hitting seventh and if he were everyone would see the great shortstop that he is
Thank you.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2006, 09:01:51 AM
At least they were able to hold on to Lieber at the trade deadline. Starting him yesterday and having him blow the game on purpose was a stroke of genius. He's the key to a World Series run next year. Go Phils.
He gave up a ton of runs last year at the deadline too vs. Colorado.
He should've been traded for a 40 of Old E.
Also Mike Bourn is back in AAA after his one day stint here. Chris Roberson is back.
I dont buy that the team doesnt care if they win or lose--why? because Lidle said it, my god. anyone playing competitive sports cares--its in your blood as a competitor. christ, I care if I lose a game a beer pong or thumby war for that matter.
the bottom line is they are not good enough. just because you go on a winning streak doesnt mean all of a sudden you care now, and when you go on a losing streak, you dont care and give up. you dont go to the plate to strike out or ground out, misplay a grounder or pop up. it happens because your not good enough.
they are not well put together team--from the pitching to the coaches
theres a difference between wanting to win and not caring if you lose
so your telling me that if the Phillies cared if they lost, they would play better?
they are not good enough, and to see it otherwise is fooling yourself. Lidle going on a rant of the the team not caring is his sourpuss attitude for losing all the time and because hes probably not liked by alot of players on the team
so your telling me that if the Phillies cared if they lost, they would play better?
are you asking that with a straight face
of course they would
what do you think made michael jordan the best athlete of all time...he absofarginglutely refused to lose
players who go and coast thru a game without having any urgency will not win as much as an equally talented team that goes for broke at all times
please dont ever use the analogy of Michael Jordan to any of the Phillies players. the big differnece in that analogy is the SKILL that Jordan possessed. when you have that kind of skill your refusal to lose will overcome any circumstance. the Phillies dont have the skill...its not that hard
hey, alot of times you cant control an outcome, especially when the other team is just flat out better--and in the phillies case its the majority of the time
jodan was far from the most skillful player in the league when he played...especially so later in his career...he was the best tho...and the thing that elevated him above all other was his disdain for losing
the bottom line is when you dont care if you lose it puts you at a disadvantage...and causes you to miss the playoffs by a few games rather than make the playoffs
Quote from: reese125 on August 01, 2006, 09:56:46 AM
so your telling me that if the Phillies cared if they lost, they would play better?
yes.
has anyone ever seen ryan howard taking some infield practice, so maybe he becomes less of a butcher at 1st base? and utley at that?
how about pat burrell still striking out on the same pitch for 3 years?
rollins swinging on the first pitch?
anyone not swinging on the 1st pitch after the opponent walks the bases loaded on 12 pitches?
maybe rowand could hit a cutoff man every once in a while?
perhaps ONE pitcher could learn to bunt?
this team does not care because none of these things ever improve. all of the things i mentioned above are things you can improve, if you care.
which they don't.
you see Wing, thats not NOT CARING, thats because your just not good enough as a hitter or outfielder.
its also bad coaching for one because somebody cant improve Burrells swing--still. you know hes trying, but hes just not good enough against certain pitches and is now petrified at the plate. you think he loves to get booed day in and day out--nobody wants that--especially his ego
Rollins can certainly field better than anyone and he can hit--as hes shown that, but hes not good enough as a leadoff hitter. Coaching can make moves but who goes there--nobodys good enough
a pitcher can sac bunt all he wants, but whos going to hit after he does that to bring in runs or the game winner--cant do it, not good enough.
sure you can improve certain areas, but by how much with the other surrounding players you STILL have year in and year out. desire is 1/4 the equation
im beating a dead horse
On Baseball
Phillies' Loss Looks Worse Than Steinbrenner's Gain
By MURRAY CHASS
BOBBY ABREU is what other teams hate about the Yankees. Having a $200 million payroll is obscene enough, but adding Abreu's contract two-thirds into the season is more than X-rated in the eyes of their brethren. Try XXX.
Other teams, of course, have come to expect the Yankees' modus operandi: spend, spend and spend some more. Money can cover mistakes, and money can overcome injuries.
Sometimes, though, teams are grateful for the Yankees' existence. The Philadelphia Phillies are the latest. They wanted to dump Abreu's contract, which has a guaranteed $21,475,409 remaining for a season and a third, and they found a willing taker in the Yankees.
The Phillies are more disgraceful than the Yankees. They play in one of the largest markets in the country, and they act like a small-market team. Their payroll reached a high of $95 million on opening day last year, but they reduced it to $88 million this year.
That does not mean the Phillies have a small payroll — it was 13th among opening-day payrolls — but it demonstrated their mind-set. Last year their payroll was fourth, and they finished two games out of first in the division and one game behind the wild-card winner. So what do they do to try to make up that little bit of ground? They cut the payroll.
They stumble and bumble in other ways, too. Instead of hiring Jim Leyland as their manager before last season, they hired Charlie Manuel. Now Leyland has turned the Detroit Tigers into the best team in baseball, while the Phillies have faded from view in the face of the Mets' demolition of the National League East.
Acknowledging their most recent futility, the Phillies decided to become more flexible. That's a baseball euphemism for dumping salaries. It's a popular game at this time of the season. Teams that have no chance to win a playoff spot trade players who can be free agents at the end of the season or whose salaries are higher than the teams want to keep paying.
If those teams are lucky, the Yankees will be looking for the commodity they want to get rid of. The Phillies were doubly lucky this year. They traded Cory Lidle, a 34-year-old pitcher, who can be a free agent, saving $1,136,065 in salary, and they shed Abreu's multiyear contract.
The Yankees are not a charitable trust. They will not take just any player with a big contract, even though it may seem that way. They have to have a need for a player. They needed an Abreu because two-thirds of their outfield, Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield, is on the disabled list and is not guaranteed to play again this season.
The Yankees are playing by the rules when they add big contracts at this time of year in trying to ensure that they will play games in October. That is George Steinbrenner's birthright, and nowhere is it written that the Yankees have to accept anything less. It is Steinbrenner's money, and he can spend it any way he desires.
Other teams have injured players, but they do not have the money to take on an Abreu contract. The Minnesota Twins, as solid and efficient an organization as baseball has, had all three of their outfielders go on the disabled list in the space of a few days, but they could not have traded for Abreu.
They might have liked to add Alfonso Soriano, but they would have had him only for the remainder of the season, and he would have cost them $3.4 million. As it turned out, no one added Soriano. He remained with Washington for now.
•The Yankees will rationalize their Abreu expenditure by pointing out that his $15 million salary next season will replace Sheffield's $13 million. Sheffield has an option for next season, but the early betting is that the Yankees will not exercise it. The Yankees, though, say that is a decision for November.
If the Yankees substitute Abreu for Sheffield, they may make a mistake. Abreu is nearly six years younger than Sheffield, but in his first two years with the Yankees, Sheffield established himself as their most valuable player and a player who is willing to play through injuries
The Yankees have to hope that Abreu does not suffer the first-season complex that affects many high-priced players when they change teams. It happened most noticeably with Carlos Beltrán with the Mets last season. Apparently feeling the weight of his seven-year, $119 million contract, Beltrán had a sub-par season.
In his second year with the Mets, Beltrán is having an M.V.P. season. He has been so good — 32 home runs and a league-leading 94 runs batted in — that the Yankees may be kicking themselves for rejecting his agent's offer to sign him for a discounted $100 million. The Yankees, in an astonishing act, said they did not want to add his salary to an already bulging luxury tax-laden payroll.
With the addition of Abreu and Lidle, the Yankees' payroll stood at $206 million. Their final figure last year was $207 million. Upward in payroll, onward to the postseason. You can always count on the upward. The onward this year is not so certain. That is why the Yankees grabbed Abreu.
Why are people acting like Abreu = Pujols? He's a good player with questionable defense that's on the downside of his career and isn't worth anywhere near $13M-$15M a year....
They're acting that way because all they see is the stats, Ed.
They didn't see him play day-in and day-out like we do.
Plus it's entirely fashionable to rip the Phillies and praise the Yankees based on this one transaction. The Phillies are a wreck of an organization but trading Bobby Abreu isn't the reason for that. His being signed to an absurd contract with a full NTC is more indicative of the idiocy of the organization than the Phils' cutting their losses and trading him is.
That's my take on it, anyway.
One other thing... comparing the Phillies and Yankees in any sense of the word is idiotic. The Yankees are the Gold Standard and the Phillies are the Fool's Gold Standard.
i dont think anyone is riding his nuts or comparing him to Pujols, but to have a guy that gets hits and is on base more than anyone in the league is a big plus for that Yankess lineup--especially when you know someone will bat his ass in to score.....such a nice luxury to have
i have a feeling that 75% of you who post in this thread still take your glove to the games.
I haven't been to a major league baseball game in at least 3-4 years, but you'd better believe I plan to bring my glove the next time I get an opportunity to waste my money going to see the Phillies!
OK, no I don't.
i actually like going to games in person, but there is nothing more pathetic than someone post-high school age with a glove in their hand, waiting to catch a foul ball. and if the .001% chance arises and the ball comes within reach, catch it with your bare hands nancy.
I bring my glove with me in the car when we tailgate before and after the games.
I don't bring it into the game with me, though. So, I'm 99.9999999999% pathetic, I guess.
What is with all this girlie bickering? Lidle sucked throughout his entire career, he is at best a 5 starter. Rhodes sucks this year, but overall, has had a decent career. Neither one of them has any right to bash anyone because they arent good enough.
So, you don't have a right to post your opinions to this board, then.
Hardy har har, but there is a difference between idiotic posts on a dorky message board and talking in the media about an ex teammate.
I don't see the difference, and I demand an explanation. But not from you.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 01:58:01 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 01:06:22 AM
The increase in K's looking has also had a major increase in his OBP. I am willing to make that trade off.
I'd like an increase in OBP because he is being smart at the plate and not swinging at crappy pitches. So youre willing to take a higher OBP at the cost of him suckin ass with RISP?
He also increased his OBP last year, and I am pretty sure he was one of our best hitters with RISP last year.
RISP is largely a stat of chance. Throughout his career Burrell has actually done well in that situation.
Personally I am sick of the hypocrits. Howard strikes out more than Burrell, is worse than Burrell with RISP, shows bad plate discipline, and cant hit with the bases loaded.
Yes Howard has much more power than Burrell,but why dont we whine about those things? Because he makes less than 500k like the rest of us blue collared guys? Because women dont slober over him like they do Burrell?
I find it funny that the same people who relentlessly bash Burrell think Rowand is a good player.
I miss the days when Burrell would strike out swinging and slam his bat against the ground.
Those were the days.
Now he takes the 3rd strike and starts to walk toward the dugout before the ump even rings him up.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 03:51:58 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 01:58:01 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 01:06:22 AM
The increase in K's looking has also had a major increase in his OBP. I am willing to make that trade off.
I'd like an increase in OBP because he is being smart at the plate and not swinging at crappy pitches. So youre willing to take a higher OBP at the cost of him suckin ass with RISP?
He also increased his OBP last year, and I am pretty sure he was one of our best hitters with RISP last year.
RISP is largely a stat of chance. Throughout his career Burrell has actually done well in that situation.
Personally I am sick of the hypocrits. Howard strikes out more than Burrell, is worse than Burrell with RISP, shows bad plate discipline, and cant hit with the bases loaded.
Yes Howard has much more power than Burrell,but why dont we whine about those things? Because he makes less than 500k like the rest of us blue collared guys? Because women dont slober over him like they do Burrell?
I find it funny that the same people who relentlessly bash Burrell think Rowand is a good player.
Howard has played exactly 1 full season now in Philly. Unlike Burrell, he seems to have the ability to improve rather than to regress.
Plus he leads the National League in Home Runs & is tied for 4th in RBI's at this point. What more do you want, dude?
Since 03 Burrell has improved every year.
I want more of those homeruns to come with RISP, less strikeouts, better plate discipline, and better fielding.
Same things everyone is asking from Burrell. Howard isnt a rookie anymore, I dont think expecting improvement in a couple of those categories is unreasonable.
Since 2003 Burrell has improved?
Dude, wtf are you smoking?
Look at the numbers.
He was better in 04 than 03, much better in 05 than 04, and is on pace for a better year this year than 05.
The past two years he has had similiar years to 02, so that is probably his ceiling. I dont blame him for Wade's stupidity.
It would be nice if a guy nicknamed "the bat" could hit about .275 or so.
He had two outstanding years (2002 & 2005). The rest have been mediocre to outright awful.
That's not exactly an upward curve. In fact, he's been a yoyo.
He will probably finish the year around there. I am OK with it if he continues to walk at a nice rate.
I think of him as a lesser version of Adam Dunn.
2000 Philadelphia Phillies 111 408 57 106 27 1 18 79 189 63 139 0 0 .359 .463 .260
2001 Philadelphia Phillies 155 539 70 139 29 2 27 89 253 70 162 2 1 .346 .469 .258
2002 Philadelphia Phillies 157 586 96 165 39 2 37 116 319 89 153 1 0 .376 .544 .282
2003 Philadelphia Phillies 146 522 57 109 31 4 21 64 211 72 142 0 0 .309 .404 .209
2004 Philadelphia Phillies 127 448 66 115 17 0 24 84 204 78 130 2 0 .365 .455 .257
2005 Philadelphia Phillies 154 562 78 158 27 1 32 117 283 99 160 0 0 .389 .504 .281
2006 Philadelphia Phillies 91 305 50 79 13 0 22 68 158 60 87 0 0 .380 .518 .259
Career Totals 941 3370 474 871 183 10 181 617 1617 531 973 5 1 .360 .480 .258
Nothing like steady improvement... :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 01, 2006, 04:07:30 PM
He had two outstanding years (2002 & 2005). The rest have been mediocre to outright awful.
That's not exactly an upward curve. In fact, he's been a yoyo.
You are right, but he is still on pace to have a better year this year than 05. His shortcomings are just being magnified because the team is horrible overall this year.
He took a huge step back in 03 no doubt. But in 04 he took baby steps back towards 02 and in 05 he almost matched 02's production. If his feet dont fall apart this year he will do it again.
I am not saying that he improved on 02 if that is what you took it as.
Howard strikes out more than Burrell
because he actually swings the bat
is worse than Burrell with RISP
and he hits better than burrell with risp and two out...a truly clutch situation...and is better than burrell in late game situations...burrell is an absolute dog when you need a big hit...hes great at 3 run hr's in blowouts...but when you need a clutch hit strikes out looking...which is absolutely inexcusable in those situations
Yes Howard has much more power than Burrell
and howard hits almost 30 points higher scores more runs more extra base hits better sluggin % and on and on and on...so what is your point?
and the guy has played one full year in the majors....burrell has played almost seven and its the same old garbage
Since 03 Burrell has improved every year.
hes better now than he was in 03 sure....but hes not better now than he was last year...so what exactly are you saying...basically that hes better this year than in the worst year he ever had?...hooray!!
Actually he is not as good as 02, but better than last year. :-D
Are we talking about the same sport?
Last time I checked runs scored in the 2nd count as much as runs scored in the 8th.
I suppose you would want Big Papi over Pujols then eh?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 04:27:41 PM
I suppose you would want Big Papi over Pujols then eh?
Yes. Is that a trick question?
hes hitting over 20 pts below last years avg and every other stat is virtually identical to last year....i think hes due for a raise
Lidle says he meant to say that he felt everyone wasnt behind him near the trade deadline.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2006, 04:28:59 PM
hes hitting over 20 pts below last years avg and every other stat is virtually identical to last year....i think hes due for a raise
His OPS is 5 points higher than last year.
OBP>BA
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 04:29:14 PM
Lidle says he meant to say that he felt everyone wasnt behind him near the trade deadline.
Burrell was, I'm sure. He's a team player with a great attitude. Glad to have him aboard.
I suppose you would want Big Papi over Pujols then eh?
right now absolutely
but this is an irrelevant question you ask because pujols is good in the clutch where as burrell is an embarrassment
so with papi and pujols you actually can make an argument cause they are both great
howard vs burrell is not close as howard hits better than burrell pretty much across the board
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2006, 04:31:53 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 04:29:14 PM
Lidle says he meant to say that he felt everyone wasnt behind him near the trade deadline.
Burrell was, I'm sure. He's a team player with a great attitude. Glad to have him aboard.
Yea, I heard he would even change his position twice if the organization asked him to. What a good guy. O wait...
His OPS is 5 points higher than last year.
:o
like i said give him a raise
His only true position is DH.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2006, 04:34:25 PM
His OPS is 5 points higher than last year.
:o
like i said give him a raise
Damn straight.
Still not worse than last year though. :P
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2006, 04:34:33 PM
His only true position is DH.
Agreed.
BTW guys anyone remember when that cancer Howard told the Phillies he would not play left field?
He doesnt care about the team.
Okay, now I'm confused. What does OBP > BA mean in the context of this discussion?
He's clearly not coming through in the clutch and he's been getting pitches to hit all season long with Howard sitting behind him.
He can't play the field anymore, he's not the least bit aggressive at the plate during situations when he should be and still after almost seven years in the league chases pitches that someone of his ilk and experience should not.
Plus, he's injury prone and his attitude apparently sucks.
Yeah, I agree with IGY. GIVE HIM A RAISE!!!!1111111111
I'd rather have a team full of Brett Myerses than a team full of Pat Burrells.
now youre making up stuff as you realize how silly you have sounded
howard absolutely tried to play LF...in spring training he worked there for two years...and he sucked ass...the team knew they couldnt in good concience put him out there and then traded thome
I think Burrell should play catcher.
Please tell me he was being sarcastic with the Howard/LF thing...
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 01, 2006, 04:37:16 PM
Okay, now I'm confused. What does OBP > BA mean in the context of this discussion?
He's clearly not coming through in the clutch and he's been getting pitches to hit all season long with Howard sitting behind him.
He can't play the field anymore, he's not the least bit aggressive at the plate during situations when he should be and still after almost seven years in the league chases pitches that someone of his ilk and experience should not.
Plus, he's injury prone and his attitude apparently sucks.
Yeah, I agree with IGY. GIVE HIM A RAISE!!!!1111111111
Again I ask why runs in the ninth count more than runs in the first?
People are using his BA as an argument against him and eventhough his BA has dropped this year he has been holding his OBP close to last years meaning he has increased his walks.
I am not ready to trust Wagner about Burrell. I always thought Wagner was angry at the world that the puberty fairy never made a visit to his voicebox.
howard also played outfield in the arizona fall league for at least one season...maybe more i cant recall
Again I ask why runs in the ninth count more than runs in the first?
because runs in the 9th win games
when you score in the 9th the opponent has either no outs or three outs to come back
when you score runs in the second the opponent has seven innings to come back
what do you not understand about that
I was exaggerated the Howard thing. After his experiment with left field he told the organization he would prefer not to play left and I exaggerated it.
Lieberthal had 5 RBI's recently in a game and is thus better than Burrell.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2006, 04:43:17 PM
Again I ask why runs in the ninth count more than runs in the first?
because runs in the 9th win games
when you score in the 9th the opponent has either no outs or three outs to come back
when you score runs in the second the opponent has seven innings to come back
what do you not understand about that
If you dont score runs before the ninth you will most likely not be in a position to win the game in the ninth making those runs just as important.
In a 2-1 game a two run homerun in the first counts just as much as a 2 run homerun in the ninth.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2006, 04:45:25 PM
Lieberthal had 5 RBI's recently in a game and is thus better than Burrell.
I thought Lieberthal was better than him before that.
Well, probably. Go Liebs.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 01, 2006, 04:45:25 PM
Lieberthal had 5 RBI's recently in a game and is thus better than Burrell.
Sadly, there's more than a hint of truth in that. :'(
If you dont score runs before the ninth you will most likely not be in a position to win the game in the ninth making those runs just as important. In a 2-1 game a two run homerun in the first counts just as much as a 2 run homerun in the ninth.
so now youre changing it to if you have zero runs going into the ninth or only if its a 2-1 game with a two run homerun...sure if youre also down 13-0 late game runs dont count either...but thats not what we are talking about and you know this
as for howard in the outfield you didnt exaggerate you straight up lied about it...howard never said anything about where he would play...he tried the outfield for two full years and was a disaster there...period
youre bunkley jr....im out
Howard was worse than Burrell in the outfield.
So he has that going for him, at least.
Didn't Burrell lead the majors in OF assists one year?
i dont know if he led but he had a bunch his first couple years as everyone and anyone was testing him since he was a converted 3rd baseman...to his credit he surprised a lot of people....now people run on him fairly regularly they just dont go at will anymore
basically hes a terrible fielder with an average arm
People do not run on him regularly and he has an above average arm.
Na ni na ni poo poo
yeah...and MVP 2005 had it so he could have gunned down anyone from anywhere in the outfield.
btw bunkley jr?
make sense or cram it
Burrell's top 10 "similar batters" according to baseball-reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/burrepa01.shtml):
1. Henry Rodriguez (972)
2. Tony Conigliaro (944)
3. Jim Gentile (938)
4. Paul Sorrento (932)
5. Jim Lemon (927)
6. Lee Stevens (924)
7. John Jaha (919)
8. Mike Marshall (919)
9. Ben Grieve (917)
10. Charlie Maxwell (917)
Facts:
1. Burrell has exactly ONE season with an OPS over .900. To compare, Mike Schmidt had four full seasons (1973, 1975, 1978 and 1988) BELOW .900. 1973 was his first, 1975 was just missed (.890) and 1978 and 1988 were both curtailed by injuries.
2. Burrell has had ONE additional season above .850.
I don't hate Pat Burrell, but there is no doubt that he has fallen far short of his hype as a #1 pick. He's closer to a Rob Deer than a Greg Luzinski.
Not arguing that, but like I said I dont blame Burrell for Wade's stupidity.
I would have no problem with trying to get the Red Sox or Yankees to claim Burrell off of waivers and take him for nothing by the way.
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Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 01, 2006, 05:38:03 PM
Burrell's top 10 "similar batters" according to
7. John Jaha (919)
9. Ben Grieve (917)
Those are PAINFUL.
Similar Batters through Age 28
Compare Stats
Tony Conigliaro (941)
Gil Hodges (940)
Nate Colbert (933)
Pete Incaviglia (929)
Jermaine Dye (928)
Bob Allison (927)
Ben Grieve (919)
Derrek Lee (919)
Jesse Barfield (919)
Danny Tartabull (918)
I like this list better.
Derrek Lee was trash at age 28. And that list still sucks save for Gil Hodges and maybe Jermaine Dye.
ha burrell hits a double to right field
I don't understand how you cannot see that Pat Burrell has got major problems, mp.
I used to be a fan of his.
He is a soaking wet vadge. He strikes out looking too much and he has no emotion whatsoever. He walked out of the clubhouse last year on the final day of the season instead of watching the Cubbies-Stros game.
Utley extended his hitting streak to 33 in the 1st.
Patricia led off the 2nd with a double. No doubt when people are on base with the game on the line, he'll K.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 08:39:44 PM
I don't understand how you cannot see that Pat Burrell has got major problems, mp.
I used to be a fan of his.
He is a soaking wet vadge. He strikes out looking too much and he has no emotion whatsoever. He walked out of the clubhouse last year on the final day of the season instead of watching the Cubbies-Stros game.
True but to be fair he was trying to get to the bar to watch the Eagles game, so...
Pat's probably a taterskin fan...
Howard knocks in 2 and that gives him 89 RBI.
Patty lines out to 3rd.
Rowand getting the IBB to load 'em up for Baberaham Nunez.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 08:39:44 PM
I don't understand how you cannot see that Pat Burrell has got major problems, mp.
I used to be a fan of his.
He is a soaking wet vadge. He strikes out looking too much and he has no emotion whatsoever. He walked out of the clubhouse last year on the final day of the season instead of watching the Cubbies-Stros game.
I think his strengths outweigh his weaknesses, contract aside.
When he was younger he used to slam his bat against the ground when he would strike out, if he still did that you would like him?
I need a whole lot more than percieved emotion to not like him as a player.
3 BB and 1 K for Mathieson so far, but he's holding it together. No hits yet. :paranoid
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 09:01:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 08:39:44 PM
I don't understand how you cannot see that Pat Burrell has got major problems, mp.
I used to be a fan of his.
He is a soaking wet vadge. He strikes out looking too much and he has no emotion whatsoever. He walked out of the clubhouse last year on the final day of the season instead of watching the Cubbies-Stros game.
I think his strengths outweigh his weaknesses, contract aside.
When he was younger he used to slam his bat against the ground when he would strike out, if he still did that you would like him?
I need a whole lot more than percieved emotion to not like him as a player.
Although I like it when guys show some fire, I am not one of those simpletons who require that in a player in order to like him.
I don't like his defeatist attitude when he takes called third after called third. He gets angry once in awhile but he still has that dead fish look going on. I remember when he hit a GW HR vs. ATL and he pointed at the dugout towards Bowa and pumped his fist. I liked that too.
But that was before Tyler Houston got a hold of him and told him Bowa was a big meanie.
He just gives off that "I don't give a farg" attitude, IMO.
Excessive K's + not living up to what he could be + not caring = why I am no longer a fan/.
I try not to blame players for not reaching expectations set by GMs/fans.
I can understand why people dont like him and I respect that, but when someone says he stinks it just is flat out not true.
Let's try an exercise- Rank the National League left fielders in the order in which you would prefer to have these players on your team TODAY:
Luis Gonzalez
Ryan Langerhaus
Matt Murton
Adam Dunn
Matt Holliday
Josh Willingham
Preston Wilson
José Cruz
Kevin Mench
Cliff Floyd
Pat Burrell
Jason Bay
Dave Roberts
Barry Bonds
Chris Duncan
Alfonso Soriano
NOTE: These were the players listed as the starters on Yahoo's depth charts as of today.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 01, 2006, 10:08:56 PM
Let's try an exercise- Rank the National League left fielders in the order in which you would prefer to have these players on your team TODAY:
Luis Gonzalez
Ryan Langerhaus
Matt Murton
Adam Dunn
Matt Holliday
Josh Willingham
Preston Wilson
José Cruz
Kevin Mench
Cliff Floyd
Pat Burrell
Jason Bay
Dave Roberts
Barry Bonds
Chris Duncan
Alfonso Soriano
NOTE: These were the players listed as the starters on Yahoo's depth charts as of today.
1. Adam Dunn
2. Alfonso Soriano
3. Jason Bay
4. Matt Holliday
5. Pat Burrell
6. Josh Willingham
7. Kevin Mench
8. Cliff Floyd
9. Ryan Langerhans
10. Preston Wilson
11. Dave Roberts
12. Matt Murton
13. Jose Cruz
14. Luis Gonzalez
15. Chris Duncan
16. Barry Bonds
Jason Bay
Alfonso Soriano
Adam Dunn
Matt Holliday
Pat Burrell
Ryan Langerhaus
Josh Willingham
Kevin Mench
Cliff Floyd
Dave Roberts
Barry Bonds
Preston Wilson
José Cruz
Chris Duncan
Matt Murton
Luis Gonzalez
Burrell up with the bases loaded and 2 outs...
takes a FB for strike one
lines out to LF.
He is hitting the ball hard tonight.
Too bad Rolen is playing third. :-D
Here's mine, by the way:
1. Alfonso Soriano
2. Jason Bay (more like 1a)
3. Matt Holliday
4. Adam Dunn
5. Pat Burrell
6. Kevin Mench
7. Dave Roberts
8. Barry Bonds
9. Luis Gonzalez
10. Josh Willingham
11. Ryan Langerhaus
12. Matt Murton
13. Chris Duncan
14. Cliff Floyd
15. Preston Wilson
16. Jose Cruz
And, of course, Carlos Lee would have slotted into #3 if he were still in the leauge.
Carlos Lee isnt really having a better season than Burrell and Burrell has arguably had a better career at the plate. He certianly isnt having a better year than Holliday and Dunn.
*ducks and covers*
Howard's OPS in August is 2.417.
Ha!
I win.
Here's the stats:
Carlos Lee (2006): .282 AVG, .352 OBP, .550 SLG, .902 OPS, 28 HR, 82 RBI, 12 SB, 63 Runs
Carlos Lee (Car.): .285 AVG, .339 OBP, .494 SLG, .832 OPS, 212 HR, 748 RBI, 89 SB, 681 Runs (8 years, 30 years old last June)
Yearly Average: .285 ABG, .339 OBP, .494 SLG, .832 OPS, 26.5 HR, 93.5 RBI, 11.1 SB, 85.1 Runs
Pat Burrell (2006): .259 AVG, .380 OBP, .518 SLG, .898 OPS, 22 HR, 68 RBI, 0 SB, 50 Runs
Pat Burrell (Car.): .258 AVG, .360 OBP, .480 SLG, .840 OPS, 181 HR, 617 RBI, 5 SB, 474 Runs (7 years, 30 in October)
Yearly Average: .258 AVG, .360 OPS, .480 SLG, .840 OPS, 25.8 HR, 88.1 RBI, .7 SB, 67.7 Runs
Statistical Observations:
- Burrell leads in OBP (+.021) and OPS (+.008)
- Lee leads in everything else.
- In runs produced (Runs + RBI - HR): Lee 1429 (178.6 / year); Burrell 1091 (155.9 / year)
I think that a good statistical argument could be made that Lee had been the more productive hitter, and by a fair amount.
By the way, Burrell has struck out as many times this year as Carlos Lee did last year (87). Of course, Lee had 608 AB to Burrell's 305. This year, Lee has 39.
Holliday is a good young OFer. I'm just not sure how much of his stats are inflated by Coors Field. He also doesn't have the power/production of Lee, even playing in Coors. Give it a year or two.
The argument could be made either way as a hitter, but yea Lee is the better all around player, if nothing else because he can actually run.
I just dont like Carlos Lee for some reason.
Lee is another assface. He was sat down by Guillen in Chicago for not hustling. After the time off he thanked Guillen for the time off to rest up. He still didn't get that he was sat for not hustling. This was told by John Kruk on WIP a few mnths ago.
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Look at the Phils fan in RF standing up and booing him. Farged up but funny. :-D
Should've worn the gray road glove, Bobby. The red doesn't jive.
im truly amazed anyone can vouch for Pat Burrell. if you truly are a student of baseball--no way in hell you can be happy with his performance. you only get so many chances to get out of a slump, and show you can play at a somewhat consistent level....now its at the point of embarrassing. not good enough...move on
I pray Gillick dumps him like Abreu and starts a clean slate
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 01, 2006, 10:34:38 PM
Howard's OPS in August is 2.417.
Ha!
I win.
Fantasy numbers for me! :deion
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 10:58:33 PM
Lee is another assface. He was sat down by Guillen in Chicago for not hustling. After the time off he thanked Guillen for the time off to rest up. He still didn't get that he was sat for not hustling. This was told by John Kruk on WIP a few mnths ago.
Ahhh... but he's a more productive assface than Burrell!
Pat just K'd swinging on a ball w a runner on 2nd.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 01, 2006, 11:04:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 10:58:33 PM
Lee is another assface. He was sat down by Guillen in Chicago for not hustling. After the time off he thanked Guillen for the time off to rest up. He still didn't get that he was sat for not hustling. This was told by John Kruk on WIP a few mnths ago.
Ahhh... but he's a more productive assface than Burrell!
slightly
This is why I like/dont hate Burrell.
A. He still produces at a high level no matter what type of stats you want to use, traditional or my favorite, sabermetrics.
B. I dont believe that the attitude of one player can effect the pitches and swings of his teammates.
C. Production is more important to me than attitude. Give me a player who(supposedly) doesnt care like Burrell, but who produces, over a "winner" like Rowand who stinks, any day of the week.
D. You can not find a fat or ugly person who doesnt hate him (possibly except conlin) and I find it hilarious. (Not saying everyone who hates him is fat or ugly)
I still don't get the Rowand hate.
And does he really produce when he leaves so many is scoring position?
I just don't get how you can watch him go into such free falls each year and not begin to despise him. He got a free pass the year he barely hit 200. And he struggled last year and this year he's gone down like the Titanic.
Cormier's debut in Cincy:
-- bases loaded walk
-- 3-run double
Abreu finished 0-3 with a walk and a run
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 11:33:43 PM
I still don't get the Rowand hate.
And does he really produce when he leaves so many is scoring position?
I just don't get how you can watch him go into such free falls each year and not begin to despise him. He got a free pass the year he barely hit 200. And he struggled last year and this year he's gone down like the Titanic.
How can you not despise Rowand?
He is producing around Bell territory right now and the defense has not been as good as advertised. I think he is one of the top 5 most overrated players in the history of Philadelphia sports already.
I guess it is ok since he only makes 3 million so he is supposed to stink? :-\
I don't hate him because he can play CF. He's not Kenny Lofton and he's not Jason Michaels. And I'm not talking about his face plant either. His defense is infinitley better than both of those guys. And if he sucked so much why did Kenny Williams hate trading him away? Why did he want to try to reacquire him? Because he's a good clubhouse guy. And despite the numbers, he is not worse than Bell.
I think maybe you bought a little too much into his defense before he got here. Some people were making him out to be a white Willie Mays.
And he hasn't always been a terrible hitter. Hell, I remember arguing with the crowds of folks who wanted him to lead off or hit 2nd before the season started. I even said Bell should hit 2nd before him because even though Bell sucks, he puts the ball into play whereas Rowand will K more than I like. But I knew that before this season even started.
You make it sound like the guy is Ricky Otero.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 11:24:29 PM
This is why I like/dont hate Burrell.
A. He still produces at a high level no matter what type of stats you want to use, traditional or my favorite, sabermetrics.
B. I dont believe that the attitude of one player can effect the pitches and swings of his teammates.
C. Production is more important to me than attitude. Give me a player who(supposedly) doesnt care like Burrell, but who produces, over a "winner" like Rowand who stinks, any day of the week.
D. You can not find a fat or ugly person who doesnt hate him (possibly except conlin) and I find it hilarious. (Not saying everyone who hates him is fat or ugly)
A. He's produced at a "high level" at most 2 of his 7 years. 2 Years over 100 RBI (traditional method), 2 over 80 (may be considered above average, but not high in this day and age), 2 years with a average over .275, ZERO yeas with less than 130 Ks. ONE season with an OPS over .900. He's been AVERAGE. Not "high level."
B. His attitude can affect the ATTITUDE of the other players. Winning is contagious... and so is losing. The Phillies, unfortunately, are a pandemic of the latter.
C. Burrell's attitude and production have been inconsistent. He does have streaks of excellent production (April of this year), but is also suspecptible of prolonged slumps (May, June, or the entire 2003 season).
Again, I don't hate Burrell. I have been frustrated at his inconsistent play. You said before that you can't judge Burrell on people's expectations. He was the NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICK. He got a $50 million dollar contract. Like it or not, that's going to increase peoples expectations of his play.
I won't blame Burrell for the attitude in the clubhouse. The Phillies franchise, except for a few golden years that somehow corresponded with my childhood, has a long and perverse history of losing. From trading Grover Cleveland Alexander for Peanuts (literally) because he might be drafted into World War I, to 30 out of 31 years of losing records, including five in a row of 103+ losses (when they only played 154), to the owner of the club being banned from baseball for betting against the Phillies. to the blow-up in 1964, to trading Ferguson Jenkins for Bob Buhl, to throwing in Ryne Sandberg in a trade for Ivan DeJesus, to the present debacle. No one in their right mind can put the blame for all that on one man. However, Burrell was seen as a potential franchise player- perhaps someone like Mike Schmidt, who could carry the club on his back and win a championship. Whatever the reason, Burrell has never lived up to his advanced billing.
Some might compare the "Mr. Cool" image Burrell projects with Mike Schmidt, who also caught a lot of flack for seeming to not care. Yet Schmidt hit 548 homers, won 3 MVPS, played in umpteen all-star games, generally played much better in the second half of his career (except the last two) than in the first half, played stellar defense, had speed (especially when he was younger- he nearly became a 30/30 guy in 1975 when the only two that had done it were Willie Mays and Bobby Bonds), and something only 24 other Phillies have the right to boast of- a World Series title. Schmidt was the catalyst of the one bright era of the Phillies' history- the one era of sustained excellence. So far, Burrell's legacy is being the 2nd or 3rd best hitter on teams that finished second. Far more was expected.
I wish no ill will to Burrell. In fact, since the Phillies seem to be stuck with him for the duration of his contract, I earnestly wish that he would actually fulfill the promise that his college career, his draft ranking, his "Pat the Bat" monicker pointed to in the 1998 draft. He's falled far short of that potential.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2006, 11:53:45 PM
I don't hate him because he can play CF. He's not Kenny Lofton and he's not Jason Michaels. And I'm not talking about his face plant either. His defense is infinitley better than both of those guys. And if he sucked so much why did Kenny Williams hate trading him away? Why did he want to try to reacquire him? Because he's a good clubhouse guy. And despite the numbers, he is not worse than Bell.
I think maybe you bought a little too much into his defense before he got here. Some people were making him out to be a white Willie Mays.
And he hasn't always been a terrible hitter. Hell, I remember arguing with the crowds of folks who wanted him to lead off or hit 2nd before the season started. I even said Bell should hit 2nd before him because even though Bell sucks, he puts the ball into play whereas Rowand will K more than I like. But I knew that before this season even started.
You make it sound like the guy is Ricky Otero.
I agreed with you on batting Bell second at the begginning of the season by the way.
I hate people who cant walk. For someone who hasnt hit worth a damn for 2 years he sure has no plate discipline. He was good at the begginning of the year than the pitchers adjusted, Rowand might just be making more adjustments and he very well may make me look like an idiot, but I seriously doubt it.
I dont like that some people think he is part of the core, he is not someone you build around, he may be a somewhat servicable piece, but where the Phillies are at now we dont need a Rowand. We have Victorino, Bourn coming up very soon, and Golson who will hopefully take big strides in his development in the minors.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 01, 2006, 11:54:01 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 11:24:29 PM
This is why I like/dont hate Burrell.
A. He still produces at a high level no matter what type of stats you want to use, traditional or my favorite, sabermetrics.
B. I dont believe that the attitude of one player can effect the pitches and swings of his teammates.
C. Production is more important to me than attitude. Give me a player who(supposedly) doesnt care like Burrell, but who produces, over a "winner" like Rowand who stinks, any day of the week.
D. You can not find a fat or ugly person who doesnt hate him (possibly except conlin) and I find it hilarious. (Not saying everyone who hates him is fat or ugly)
A. He's produced at a "high level" at most 2 of his 7 years. 2 Years over 100 RBI (traditional method), 2 over 80 (may be considered above average, but not high in this day and age), 2 years with a average over .275, ZERO yeas with less than 130 Ks. ONE season with an OPS over .900. He's been AVERAGE. Not "high level."
B. His attitude can affect the ATTITUDE of the other players. Winning is contagious... and so is losing. The Phillies, unfortunately, are a pandemic of the latter.
C. Burrell's attitude and production have been inconsistent. He does have streaks of excellent production (April of this year), but is also suspecptible of prolonged slumps (May, June, or the entire 2003 season)..
You dont think a .900 OPS year is high level? I have to disagree with you there. I think he will end up there this year too.
B. I just dont understand how this effects anything unless you believe in karma or vibes or whatever the farg that shtein is called, and right now I dont.
C. He is not consistent during the year by any stretch of the imagination. But he may be starting to put together a stretch of solid seasons with similiar numbers. I am probably more optimistic about Burrell than most people though.
Well, as much as I like Bourn he is not proven right now. So I would like to find out that he can do a little something before giving up on Rowand. And will Victorino be exposed if he plays everyday?
And I think that him smashing his face up had something to do with his hitting being subpar since. Because I believe that is when he really started to cool off at the plate.
He doesn't walk a lot. Thats true. And thats why I would rather have him hitting 6th.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 12:08:21 AM
Well, as much as I like Bourn he is not proven right now. So I would like to find out that he can do a little something before giving up on Rowand. And will Victorino be exposed if he plays everyday?
And I think that him smashing his face up had something to do with his hitting being subpar since. Because I believe that is when he really started to cool off at the plate.
He doesn't walk a lot. Thats true. And thats why I would rather have him hitting 6th.
Ok, so you are the Phillies GM. Assumming that Rowand finishes the year around these numbers (which may not be a safe assumption) do you pick up the 5 million team option, or take the risk he doesnt pick up the 3 million player option.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 11:45:33 PM
How can you not despise Rowand?
He is producing around Bell territory right now and the defense has not been as good as advertised. I think he is one of the top 5 most overrated players in the history of Philadelphia sports already.
I guess it is ok since he only makes 3 million so he is supposed to stink? :-\
Rowand's had as many seasons over .900 OPS as Burrell... :paranoid
I've been rather disappointed with Rowand this season. I was hoping that he would bring an infusion of life into the Phils' team that fell just short of reaching the playoff last year. I was hoping that, just maybe, Rowand would bring that little swagger, little fire, that could combust the lackadasical clubhouse that the Phils had a reputation for.
If you look at the stats, Rowand's numbers were much higher before the injury than they have been since (over .300 for April and May, around .225 since coming back). I am willing to give Rowand a bit of a break on his lack of production being down recently- he may have come back sooner than he was ready. I don't know that for certain.
Rowand is not supposed to give you the numbers of a Pat Burrell. He's a decent hitter (career .279/.335/.448/.783) with some power and production. He's ideally slotted at the 6th or 7th position in the batting order. He gives you great defense.
If you're choosing to "hate" Rowand because he's not hitting .300/30/100, he's not really that kind of hitter. Burrell was supposed to be that kind of hitter.
Burrell was supposed to be a Schmidt-type hitter (with a better average). Rowand is more like a Glenn Wilson-type hitter from 1984/1985. Some pop, some production, but not a 3- 4- or 5- hole type of hitter.
I would like to see .275-.290, 15-20 HR, 65-80 RBI (and 80 would be a stretch) from Rowand.
I would like to see .290, 40-45 HR, 125+ RBI from Burrell. He supposedly had that potential and more.
And, yes, in the real world salary does have something to do with it. A-Rod is getting shellacked in NY because his production is "down." Why? Because he makes $25 freaking million a year. Burrell is getting paid a star's salary, and has yet to truly and consistently produce like one.
Of course, I think they all get paid ridiculous salaries. But I still watch, and I still care.
MSBNC - Phillies tried to trade for Ichiro (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14140068/)
QuoteThe Houston Astros and Philadelphia Phillies both tried to pry star outfielder Ichiro Suzuki away from the Seattle Mariners in the hours leading up to the trade deadline, according to a report in the Seattle Times on Tuesday.
The Astros reportedly asked for Ichiro after the Mariners inquired about the availability of ace pitcher Roy Oswalt. The Astros also dangled Oswalt to the Orioles in an effort to get Miguel Tejada, but were rejected.
According to the Times, the Phillies also asked for Ichiro in any deal involving Bobby Abreu, who was eventually traded to the Yankees for four minor leaguers. The Times reported that the Phillies also offered pitchers Cory Lidle and Arthur Rhodes with Abreu.
I hate Rowand partly because the same fans at the park who hated Abreu and Burrell, idolize Rowand and it makes no sense.
I would rather bring back Ron Gant and put him in centerfield.
that is incredibly accurate.
A+ for trying Gillick
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 12:08:21 AM
Well, as much as I like Bourn he is not proven right now. So I would like to find out that he can do a little something before giving up on Rowand. And will Victorino be exposed if he plays everyday?
And I think that him smashing his face up had something to do with his hitting being subpar since. Because I believe that is when he really started to cool off at the plate.
He doesn't walk a lot. Thats true. And thats why I would rather have him hitting 6th.
Ok, so you are the Phillies GM. Assumming that Rowand finishes the year around these numbers (which may not be a safe assumption) do you pick up the 5 million team option, or take the risk he doesnt pick up the 3 million player option.
I pay him. I have saved millions this season and will lose more once some of Ed Wade's trash finds its way outta here. Pay him and groom Bourn. If they suck next yeat, then trade him.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 01, 2006, 11:54:01 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 01, 2006, 11:24:29 PM
This is why I like/dont hate Burrell.
A. He still produces at a high level no matter what type of stats you want to use, traditional or my favorite, sabermetrics.
B. I dont believe that the attitude of one player can effect the pitches and swings of his teammates.
C. Production is more important to me than attitude. Give me a player who(supposedly) doesnt care like Burrell, but who produces, over a "winner" like Rowand who stinks, any day of the week.
D. You can not find a fat or ugly person who doesnt hate him (possibly except conlin) and I find it hilarious. (Not saying everyone who hates him is fat or ugly)
A. He's produced at a "high level" at most 2 of his 7 years. 2 Years over 100 RBI (traditional method), 2 over 80 (may be considered above average, but not high in this day and age), 2 years with a average over .275, ZERO yeas with less than 130 Ks. ONE season with an OPS over .900. He's been AVERAGE. Not "high level."
B. His attitude can affect the ATTITUDE of the other players. Winning is contagious... and so is losing. The Phillies, unfortunately, are a pandemic of the latter.
C. Burrell's attitude and production have been inconsistent. He does have streaks of excellent production (April of this year), but is also suspecptible of prolonged slumps (May, June, or the entire 2003 season)..
You dont think a .900 OPS year is high level? I have to disagree with you there. I think he will end up there this year too.
B. I just dont understand how this effects anything unless you believe in karma or vibes or whatever the farg that shtein is called, and right now I dont.
C. He is not consistent during the year by any stretch of the imagination. But he may be starting to put together a stretch of solid seasons with similiar numbers. I am probably more optimistic about Burrell than most people though.
As of today, .900 would put Burrell at #35 in MLB in OPS ratings. Here are the players within .010 of .900:
Scott Hatteburg (.908)
Garrett Atkins (.907)
Carlos Guillen (.905)
Brad Hawpe (.902)
Miguel Tejada (.899)
Pat Burrell (.898)
Carlos Lee (.896)
Frank Thomas (.895)
Bill Hall (.894)
Ray Durham (.890)
Morgan Ensberg (.890)
What big names are there? Tejada, who adds batting .330 and 77 RBI while playing a position more valued for defense; Lee, who we've discussed already; Frank Thomas, who should eligible for social security any day now, and perhaps Ensberg, who is having a terrible season (I know- he was one of my fantasy picks).
.900 is good. It's even very good. But it's not elite. Mike Schmidt, out of 16 "full" seasons (100+ games) had a total of four below .900. Burrell, in eight seasons, has had one ABOVE. And Schmidt played in a much less offensively-oriented period than Burrell. Example- Schmidt's .895 OPS in 1975 ranked 4th in the league.
Schmidt not a fair comparison? How about Greg Luzinski? The Bull only had three years over .900 OPS. The Bull also had six more over .800.
What about the dearly departed Abreu? Six years over .900. Three move over .850.
Elite would be hitting CONSISTENTLY over .900, hitting over .950. Schmidt hit .950 or over four times. The next time Burrell does that will be his first.
And we won't dare compare Burrell's numbers to a certain roid-raging LF in San Francisco.
Burrell's been decent, occasionally good, frequently frustrating. I wish I had more confidence in Burrell's ability to suddenly turn it on, but at age 30 hitters aren't usually on the upward climb much longer. Unless Burrell's found Barry's secret stash of HGH.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 12:21:40 AM
I hate Rowand partly because the same fans at the park who hated Abreu and Burrell, idolize Rowand and it makes no sense.
I would rather bring back Ron Gant and put him in centerfield.
that is incredibly accurate.
For the record, I liked Abreu. A lot. But I also have no problem with the Phillies trading him. At age 32, his production has significantly declined this year. While it may rebound some, I think his days of .900 OPS, 30 HR and 30 SB are probably over. His power seems to be nearly totally gone this season.
I do wish, however, that I had any confidence in the Phillies' ownership to make any legitimate decisions to use any of that freed-up money to:
1. Get a pitcher that maybe could keep his ERA under 4.00 in CBP (other than Myers).
2. Actually get a truly productive farm system.
But alas, at age 36 and having watched the Bill Giles Flying Circus for the past two decades, I have no such confidence.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 12:08:21 AM
Well, as much as I like Bourn he is not proven right now. So I would like to find out that he can do a little something before giving up on Rowand. And will Victorino be exposed if he plays everyday?
And I think that him smashing his face up had something to do with his hitting being subpar since. Because I believe that is when he really started to cool off at the plate.
He doesn't walk a lot. Thats true. And thats why I would rather have him hitting 6th.
Ok, so you are the Phillies GM. Assumming that Rowand finishes the year around these numbers (which may not be a safe assumption) do you pick up the 5 million team option, or take the risk he doesnt pick up the 3 million player option.
Keep him. He's the best CF option they have right now. Bourn's not quite ready yet.
Someone has to get all those fly balls that Burrell can't get to. :)
QuoteBurrell nixed deal to Orioles, sources say
By PAUL HAGEN
hagenp@phillynews.com
ST. LOUIS - What if Pat Burrell had been traded to the Orioles?
According to multiple sources, the Phillies had a deal in place (possibly for pitcher Rodrigo Lopez) that would have sent the leftfielder to Baltimore, but he was unwilling to waive his no-trade clause.
"I was never approached by the Phillies," Burrell said last night.
The explanation, according to sources, is that he was approached informally on more than one occasion by an Orioles employee and that, on each occasion, Burrell made it plain that he would not accept a trade to Baltimore.
In Burrell's defense, he wasn't exactly asked to move to a contending team. The Orioles are buried deeper in the standings than the Phillies.
Still, it's an interesting what-if to ponder. Had Burrell not blocked the move, for example, it's unlikely the Phillies would have traded Bobby Abreu to the Yankees.
Thanks, Pat. >:(
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
Ok, so you are the Phillies GM. Assumming that Rowand finishes the year around these numbers (which may not be a safe assumption) do you pick up the 5 million team option, or take the risk he doesnt pick up the 3 million player option.
Burrell's making HOW MUCH next year, and you're whining about Rowand making $5 mill?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 02, 2006, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
Ok, so you are the Phillies GM. Assumming that Rowand finishes the year around these numbers (which may not be a safe assumption) do you pick up the 5 million team option, or take the risk he doesnt pick up the 3 million player option.
Burrell's making HOW MUCH next year, and you're whining about Rowand making $5 mill?
Exactly.
And just another reason why the ignore button is so sought after on CF.
QuotePhil Sheridan | Lidle and Phillies deceive themselves
By Phil Sheridan
Inquirer Columnist
There are no mirrors in the Phillies' clubhouse, although one assumes there must be a few somewhere in the warren of off-limits, players-only space at Citizens Bank Park.
How else would players know if their hair was perfect - a primary concern, according to former Phillies closer Billy Wagner.
Maybe these mirrors become fogged up by the showers. Maybe they are made with curved glass, like the mirrors in fun houses, and don't give an accurate reflection. Maybe they're like the mirror in the Harry Potter books, which shows what you most want to see.
This mirror thing seems relevant after another departed player, pitcher Cory Lidle, fired some nasty little barbs in the direction of the underachieving team from which he'd just been liberated.
Lidle's comments to the New York media echo comments made by Wagner over the last couple of years. There's certainly a ring of truth to what each pitcher said. This Phillies team clearly didn't know how to win, and it seemed fair at times to wonder whether the players cared enough about winning - as opposed to, say, how their hair looked after the game.
What's funny and sad in equal parts is when these comments come from players who personified the problem. That's what gets you wondering about the mirrors.
Apparently, when Lidle looked in those special Phillies mirrors, he saw a fierce competitor who gave his all every fifth day and couldn't count on those mentally soft guys lined up behind him. In short, Lidle looked in the mirror and saw Curt Schilling.
Nobody else did. Manager Charlie Manuel came to refer to Lidle's outings as a "Lidle game" - meaning five or six innings and four or five runs allowed. That sounds about right.
A classic example: In June, during the period the Phillies fell out of contention, Lidle pitched the third game of a series against the Mets. The Phillies had been crushed in the first two games, so they desperately needed the most experienced pitcher in their rotation at that point to deliver a strong performance.
Lidle gave up four runs, including a three-run homer to David Wright, in the top of the first. By the time the Phillies got a chance to bat for the first time, they were already buried. Lidle gave up one earned run the rest of the way, lost by 5-4, and said afterward that he had pitched pretty well.
"Really, I only threw one bad pitch," Lidle said.
That is some mirror. :-D
Before this starts to read like a full-blown attack on Lidle, let's back things up a bit. The point is that, as a team, these Phillies were consistent only in finding ways to lose important, season-defining games. That was true before Lidle got here and it remained true during his tenure.
Most of the players look around and see teammates who don't want it enough, who aren't committed enough, who don't have the right attitude. The problem is that none of the players seem to see that kind of guy in the mirror.
The fans who disliked Bobby Abreu in spite of his consistent and impressive offensive production perceived this lack of passion and intensity in him. To his credit, Abreu is the one player who has left here who seemed to accept some responsibility for the team's shortcomings in recent years.
After being traded Sunday, Abreu talked about fan support even when he "cost us a game." When asked why this group never reached the postseason, he said simply that the players didn't win the games they needed to.
Abreu, at least, has some grasp on reality and his role in it.
Before the season, Aaron Rowand was asked how his previous team, the White Sox, had come together as a team to win the 2005 World Series. Rowand pointed out that the Sox parted with some very good players, including Carlos Lee and Magglio Ordonez.
"We went from a team that led the league in home runs and finished second to a team that won the World Series," Rowand said. The Sox won with good pitching and defense, plus smart and aggressive offense.
So how do you get a team to play that way?
"You can't change the personalities of the players who are already there," Rowand said. "You have to bring in the right kind of players."
That's exactly what general manager Pat Gillick referred to when he said it was time to "change the mix." It is not a coincidence that Lidle was among the players in the out basket when that process got under way this weekend.
It is time to reinvent the Phillies. And it is time to invest in some decent, honest mirrors for the clubhouse.
QuoteLidle backs off, but some Phils return fire
Arthur Rhodes said he confronted Cory Lidle after he saw him surfing the Internet on his computer in the clubhouse during a game. He also said Lidle spent time during games in the clubhouse eating ice cream.
By Jim Salisbury
Inquirer Staff Writer
ST. LOUIS - Cory Lidle apologized to his former Phillies teammates yesterday and said that critical remarks he made about their effort and will to win were misinterpreted.
While Lidle backed off the statements he made Monday, Phillies reliever Arthur Rhodes, who in response called Lidle "a scab" in an interview with the New York Post, did not.
"It wasn't a nice thing to do to the team or the organization," Rhodes said before last night's game against the St. Louis Cardinals. "When I heard that, I had to say something. What I said yesterday was true. He only pitched two good games all year. He never worked out."
When told that Lidle had backed off his remarks, Rhodes shrugged and said, "Of course he did. He's with the Yankees now."
Lidle was traded on Sunday. In a conference call with New York beat writers the next day, the pitcher was critical of his former teammates' approach to the game.
He was the second former Phillie to make such charges, joining Billy Wagner, who in May questioned some of his former teammates' heart and said: "All they cared about was their hair and what they were going to do after the game."
"I'm the type of player that goes to the field every day expecting to win," Lidle said Monday. "Unfortunately, the last few years, I haven't had a clubhouse that expected to win with me. It was almost a coin flip to know if the guys behind me were going to be there to play 100 percent."
Lidle added: "Sometimes it seemed like winning didn't matter at all."
Yesterday, he backtracked.
"The questions were coming at me fast and I think how it was taken, what it sounded like, was that the minute I walked into that clubhouse on any given day, we weren't ready to play," he said at Yankee Stadium. "But really, at that time in the interview, we were talking about the trade deadline. So it had been over the last couple weeks. Almost half the guys on that team weren't expecting to be in that clubhouse that much longer. So you could see that the focus wasn't always on baseball.
"I don't want to say that the words I said were twisted and make it sound like the New York media did this to me, because I believe that my quotes probably sounded a lot worse than how I feel.
"So I want to apologize to all my ex-Phillies teammates about what my quotes sounded like, and hopefully they can just remember me as the kind of person I was. I don't want to leave that situation with any bitterness."
Lidle's initial words did not sit well with several Phillies, not just Rhodes.
"Why does everyone talk trash when they leave here?" asked Brett Myers, who wondered why Wagner and Lidle never aired their complaints to their teammates' faces.
"It was uncalled for," Chase Utley said. "I don't agree with his assessment of how we played behind him, and I take offense to the fact that he said we didn't play hard. That's completely untrue. Personally, I have no problem with the way he pitched for us. But the reason we've lost games has nothing to do with effort."
Lidle was a replacement player for the Brewers during the labor dispute of 1995. In New York yesterday, he said he was surprised Rhodes called him a scab.
"We got along great, played golf and cards on the plane," Lidle said.
That's not the way Rhodes saw it. He said Lidle's status as a replacement player "hurts my feelings." Rhodes added that he and Lidle had a falling-out earlier this season when Rhodes came into the clubhouse during a game and saw Lidle surfing the Internet on his computer.
"I told him he should be out there rooting for his teammates," Rhodes said. "We got into it. I didn't speak to him after that. I didn't want to be associated with him."
On Monday, Rhodes said Lidle cared only about his hobby of flying small airplanes and gambling. Lidle is an avid poker player.
Rhodes also said Lidle spent time during games in the clubhouse eating ice cream.
What flavor?
"Nestle Crunch," Rhodes said yesterday. :-D
Manager Charlie Manuel said he has rules against staying in the clubhouse during games.
"I mention it quite a bit to players about being on the bench. I'm big on that," he said. "I don't have time to run around and find my players, but you're supposed to be on the bench when the game is going on. You can go up in the clubhouse for a short period if you have something to do, but you're always supposed to come back. You're not supposed to be up there for two innings."
First Wagner, now Lidle. What does Manuel think of the Phillies' little soap opera?
"The stuff that came out should have stayed in the clubhouse," he said. "I call it respect for the game, respect for your teammates. Some things should be said in the clubhouse."
I love it when these Hoydas backtrack. You said what you said. Have the balls to stick with it and defend what you said if you believed it in the first place.
If not, just shut the farg up and move on.
Stark: Phils could have gotten better prospects for Lidle alone (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2536659)
Ugh.
BTW, is there any doubt that the Phillies will continue to cut payroll and remain largely uncompetitive for years to come? Besides hopefully paying Utley and Howard, I just doubt they'll actually spend any of this money they've dumped.
The thing that disturbed me the post in Stark's piece was when he mentioned the possibility that the Phillies might be in desperate financial trouble.
How the farg can that be? And if it's true and he wasn't simply talking out of his ass, then why would the Phillies (Monty & Giles) be so insistent about never selling the ballclub?
Strange.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 04:43:12 AM
QuoteBurrell nixed deal to Orioles, sources say
By PAUL HAGEN
hagenp@phillynews.com
ST. LOUIS - What if Pat Burrell had been traded to the Orioles?
According to multiple sources, the Phillies had a deal in place (possibly for pitcher Rodrigo Lopez) that would have sent the leftfielder to Baltimore, but he was unwilling to waive his no-trade clause.
"I was never approached by the Phillies," Burrell said last night.
The explanation, according to sources, is that he was approached informally on more than one occasion by an Orioles employee and that, on each occasion, Burrell made it plain that he would not accept a trade to Baltimore.
In Burrell's defense, he wasn't exactly asked to move to a contending team. The Orioles are buried deeper in the standings than the Phillies.
Still, it's an interesting what-if to ponder. Had Burrell not blocked the move, for example, it's unlikely the Phillies would have traded Bobby Abreu to the Yankees.
Thanks, Pat. >:(
put Pat on the bench!!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 02, 2006, 08:46:16 AM
The thing that disturbed me the post in Stark's piece was when he mentioned the possibility that the Phillies might be in desperate financial trouble.
How the farg can that be? And if it's true and he wasn't simply talking out of his ass, then why would the Phillies (Monty & Giles) be so insistent about never selling the ballclub?
Strange.
Could be a good thing. Maybe force the fargs to sell the team.
It would definitely be a good thing.
QuoteTo make this kind of trade, just for the joy of cashing out, simply tells the sport that either you think Abreu is outrageously overrated or your team is in major financial trouble -- or both.
Maybe I'm misreading and overreacting to what he wrote, but it sounded to me like he was suggesting that they were close to insolvency. Why would Stark make a comment like that without any hint of it first from the local rags?
Maybe I'm misreading and overreacting
Romey,
I read on the PhilaPhans MB from a poster that said she spoke to Paul Hagen around the AS break and he said that there were some troubles. She said that Giles had to sell even more shares of his portion to another one of the owners and that there were some other troubles that could be brewing.
I would love nothing more than to see these people have to sell.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 11:06:21 AM
Romey,
I read on the PhilaPhans MB from a poster that said she spoke to Paul Hagen around the AS break and he said that there were some troubles. She said that Giles had to sell even more shares of his portion to another one of the owners and that there were some other troubles that could be brewing.
I would love nothing more than to see these people have to sell.
what i had heard a few weeks ago was that the montgomery also had to go to the rest of them to get more money, twice already this season. and operating costs had to be reduced before the end of the season, which is why abreu was just given away.
attendance and consessions have slipped far past what they were willing to live with and are losing money. and things like the railing padding and moving the wall back have really eaten into the cash flow.
they wouldnt be able to sell right now either...they have too much stadium debt to make it worth it.
i got this info second hand (from a collegue of mine who works for one of the owners)...take it for what it is worth. could be true...could be bullshtein, but i had this for a few weeks...but it makes sense.
payroll will not be what it was the past 3 years. if revenue doesn't pick up on it's own, you can kiss utley and howard goodbye in a couple of years as well.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 02, 2006, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 11:06:21 AM
Romey,
I read on the PhilaPhans MB from a poster that said she spoke to Paul Hagen around the AS break and he said that there were some troubles. She said that Giles had to sell even more shares of his portion to another one of the owners and that there were some other troubles that could be brewing.
I would love nothing more than to see these people have to sell.
what i had heard a few weeks ago was that the montgomery also had to go to the rest of them to get more money, twice already this season. and operating costs had to be reduced before the end of the season, which is why abreu was just given away.
attendance and consessions have slipped far past what they were willing to live with and are losing money. and things like the railing padding and moving the wall back have really eaten into the cash flow.
they wouldnt be able to sell right now either...they have too much stadium debt to make it worth it.
i got this info second hand (from a collegue of mine who works for one of the owners)...take it for what it is worth. could be true...could be bullshtein, but i had this for a few weeks...but it makes sense.
payroll will not be what it was the past 3 years. if revenue doesn't pick up on it's own, you can kiss utley and howard goodbye in a couple of years as well.
Nah, you're saying exactly what the poster said Hagen told her.
And that is one of the reasons why I think they will not have a big payroll next year. They drop it now and it will never reach the level it was again.
ABREU: I AM BOBBY HUSTLE
By GEORGE KING and BRIAN LEWIS
August 2, 2006 -- Bobby Abreu is ready to show Yankees fans that he is anything but a player who is guilty of not busting it every minute he is on the field, as he has been accused.
"A lot of people don't see me play more often," said Abreu before going 0-for-3 in last night's 5-1 victory over the Blue Jays . "They don't realize how I play the game.
"Now, everyone here will see the real way I like to play the game. You will see the hustle every day here and you guys will decide if [the bad reputation] is true or not."
Quote"A lot of people don't see me play more often"
um, we've seen you for 9 years. Good job with that 0-3. At least you ran really hard on that groundout to show everyone we're wrong...
The way the national media is slobbering over his 9 pitch AB to draw that walk leads me to believe that not too many people watched him here.
I heard three or four people gushing over him drawing that walk and couldn't blieve it.
I do hope Bobby does well in NY though. Hate the Yanks, love Bobby A.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 11:35:33 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on August 02, 2006, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 11:06:21 AM
Romey,
I read on the PhilaPhans MB from a poster that said she spoke to Paul Hagen around the AS break and he said that there were some troubles. She said that Giles had to sell even more shares of his portion to another one of the owners and that there were some other troubles that could be brewing.
I would love nothing more than to see these people have to sell.
what i had heard a few weeks ago was that the montgomery also had to go to the rest of them to get more money, twice already this season. and operating costs had to be reduced before the end of the season, which is why abreu was just given away.
attendance and consessions have slipped far past what they were willing to live with and are losing money. and things like the railing padding and moving the wall back have really eaten into the cash flow.
they wouldnt be able to sell right now either...they have too much stadium debt to make it worth it.
i got this info second hand (from a collegue of mine who works for one of the owners)...take it for what it is worth. could be true...could be bullshtein, but i had this for a few weeks...but it makes sense.
payroll will not be what it was the past 3 years. if revenue doesn't pick up on it's own, you can kiss utley and howard goodbye in a couple of years as well.
Nah, you're saying exactly what the poster said Hagen told her.
And that is one of the reasons why I think they will not have a big payroll next year. They drop it now and it will never reach the level it was again.
the stadium debt is the key. they almost can't sell because of it. apparently most of their numbers and revenue projections were based on an unrealistically high attendance mark, something like 85% capacity. well their attendance dropped dramatically from 2004-2005 (2004 was an average of 40,125 per game, in 2005 it dropped to 32,905 per game)...a 20% year to year decrease.
now it wont go down another 20% this season, as it is right now, the attance is 32,841 per game. with 24 more home games to go. (the last sunday game attendance was the worst
sunday of the season btw, if you take the higher of the two games).
the phils went from a 90%+ capacity in 2004...to 72% capacity in 2005....if it falls to under 70% for 2006. the owners are in deep shtein, and then you will see an even deeper salary purge.
thome was gone in 2006 whether ryan howard was in existance or not, the fact that howard emerged save them from yet another embarassing situation.
this is fast heading back into the 1994-99 range
Or 1916-1920
Or 1925-1930
Or... dang, this team is depressing.
ive been on vacation since friday so i just got caught up on the thread. I still am in disbelief that Bell was traded for a player and not a bag of baseballs. The Abreu trade was what i thought it would be, the Phils getting raped to save money. Look at the Carlos Lee trade, I think bobby is better than Lee and look what texas/milwakee moved for him. Thanks Pat for being a fleshpop, he must have found some more skanks around the ballpark to keep him happy.
The Cormier trade was actually a great move by Gillick. We all knew going into training camp that this team wasnt going to win you a World Series, and maybe in 3 years they could get a legit shot. Then training camp came and they played ridiculously good and like every year, hopes got up. Then the real phils comeout and drain everything out of the fans. They need to get a true #1 ace like Zito but you know he'll end up with the Mets. And with this crap about ownership and money, just sell the team tomorrow to Cuban!
And they have no one but themselves to blame. I hate those fargs.
If they had hired a competant baseball man and allowed him to put good people around him years ago then they wouldn't be in this spot.
They overrated the fans too. Monty and the boys thought if they gave us a new stadium we'd come out and buy up stuffed Phanatic dolls and all of that shtein just for the helluva it.
And we have to suffer through this crap. farg 'em. I hope they drop dead.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 02, 2006, 01:20:28 PM
The Abreu trade was what i thought it would be, the Phils getting raped to save money.
it's not rape if the phils asked for it.
yeah its called prostitution
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 02, 2006, 01:20:28 PMLook at the Carlos Lee trade, I think bobby is better than Lee and look what texas/milwakee moved for him.
Abreu had a no-trade clause that narrowed the number of potential trade partners from 29 to 4, and of those 4, the Yankees were the only ones seriously interested (unless you consider the minimal interest from Boston). The package returned would have been a lot better if A) Abreu didn't have a NTC, and B) he wasn't being paid $13M-$15M a year. Lee and Soriano were a lot cheaper and didn't have NTCs.....
supposedly the red sox want leiberthal
this is probably old news to you baseball nerds, but i just read this for the first time.
about Abreu's lack of power since he won the derby.
QuoteThe Phillies outfielder -- right around the time this story broke, he hit homers in six consecutive games -- was engaged to former Miss Universe Alicia Machado. In May, she appeared on a Mexican reality television show called "La Granga (The Farm)" and, in a video you can find on Limewire, had sex with a fellow cast member on camera. Needless to say, Abreu was not a fan of this, called off the engagement and subsequently went on his homer barrage.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 02, 2006, 01:50:08 PM
supposedly the red sox want leiberthal
Sold.
Send him up north with his boy Tito Francoma.
I e-mailed Zolecki last night and asked him if they had put anyone on waivers yet and he was pretty non-specific about it and said that all teams do it just to see who goes through. But he did say that Mike said he would probably accept a deal to Boston.
"They don't realize how I play the game.
"Now, everyone here will see the real way I like to play the game. You will see the hustle every day here and you guys will decide if [the bad reputation] is true or not."
This is absolutely hysterical, better yet unreal. So now we are all going to see how My Booby Abreu likes to play the game? After 9 years, you'll show those Yankee fans how to play REAL baseball, as if you were faking it the whole time?
thank god Im allergic to bull$htein
So, will the Phils even get a token player back from Boston in a waiver-trade deal involving Lieberthal?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 02, 2006, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
Ok, so you are the Phillies GM. Assumming that Rowand finishes the year around these numbers (which may not be a safe assumption) do you pick up the 5 million team option, or take the risk he doesnt pick up the 3 million player option.
Burrell's making HOW MUCH next year, and you're whining about Rowand making $5 mill?
I have said it already the I would 110% support putting Burrell on waivers and letting him go if for nothing if someone claimed him. Burrell is not worth the money, but I dont believe he is a bad player.
Rowand is a bad player.
No.
Tomas Perez is a bad player. Alex Gonzalez was a bad player. Adam Bernero was a bad player.
Aaron Rowand is not a bad player. Christ.
Joe Conklin's site - the firesale bit I was talking about the other day is on the right side of the page (http://www.joeconklin.com/)
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 02, 2006, 01:50:08 PM
supposedly the red sox want leiberthal
Leiby for a 55-gallon drum of "chowda", deal!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 07:46:34 PM
No.
Tomas Perez is a bad player. Alex Gonzalez was a bad player. Adam Bernero was a bad player.
Aaron Rowand is not a bad player. Christ.
I swing the term bad player around much more loosely than you do, apparently.
Rowand isn't a bad player.
He's an average major league player with average talent who somehow managed to win a World Series as the starting centerfielder last year.
Stop pissing on him like he was a castoff scrub. It's annoying and completely stupid.
As for the Phillies financial woes, I honest to God didn't know anything about this. I always knew that their pockets weren't deep like Steinbrenner's but I never knew they were paupers. What's worse is the fargheads who own the team have no interest in selling either. There are billionaires everywhere. Why can't one ride to the rescue and save this team from oblivion?
Obviously.
Maybe Aaron have a diving catch tonight to show up that fraud Edmonds and to piss mcgraw off. :D
I dont root against him, I just have a low tolerance for bad/average players starting when there are younger cheaper players available to play the position.
So I take it you were all for Thome being traded, but perhaps upset with getting Rowand.
Yes.
I was thrilled with getting Gio Gonzalez though. Very nice trade.
Rowand isn't expensive.
Cheaper doesn't matter in baseball really because there is no cap
And Mr. Bourn and Mr. Victorino are pretty much unproven.
Here is what CBS SportLine listed for Phillies salaries:
Player Salary
Bobby Abreu $13,600,000
Pat Burrell $9,750,000
Randy Wolf $9,125,000
Jon Lieber $7,583,333
Mike Lieberthal $7,500,000
Jimmy Rollins $5,000,000
David Bell $4,700,000
Tom Gordon $4,500,000
Arthur Rhodes $3,700,000
Cory Lidle $3,300,000
Brett Myers $3,300,000
Aaron Rowand $3,250,000
Ryan Franklin $2,600,000
Rheal Cormier $2,500,000
Aaron Fultz $1,200,000
Abraham Nunez $1,125,000
David Dellucci $950,000
Julio Santana $800,000
Alex S. Gonzalez $750,000
Chase Utley $500,000
Sal Fasano $425,000
Ryan Madson $400,000
Ryan Howard $355,000
Chris Booker $350,000
Geoff Geary $350,000
Gavin Floyd $330,000
Shane Victorino $330,000
If Rowand is stealing money, what are Burrell, Lieberthal, Wolf, Leiber, Rollins, Bell, and a host of others doing?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 07:59:35 PM
Rowand isn't expensive.
Cheaper doesn't matter in baseball really because there is no cap
And Mr. Bourn and Mr. Victorino are pretty much unproven.
I'd rather take the 3 million and sign draft picks.
It may not seem important to sign mid-round picks, but that is how the Red Sox rebuilt their farm system. They took many high risk-high reward draft picks, signed as many as possible, and are seeing the benefits of it right now.
I really dont know what is going on with the Abreu money, due to the owners being in money problem rumors, so I am still in favor of cutting salary in the majors to improve the minors.
I have a better idea...
How about they pay the players AND sign the draft picks. NOt have to take from one to give to the oter cause.
QuoteIf Rowand is stealing money, what are Burrell, Lieberthal, Wolf, Leiber, Rollins, Bell, and a host of others doing?
Who will take any of them?
At least one team has asked about Rowand, we can say the same about how many of those other players? and how many of them have a NTC?
Who will take any of who? ???
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 08:04:52 PM
I have a better idea...
How about they pay the players AND sign the draft picks. NOt have to take from one to give to the oter cause.
Completely agreed, but I am trying to put myself in Gillick's situation with the current group of owners in charge.
The Phillies are notorious for not putting money in the farm.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 08:06:19 PM
Who will take any of who? ???
My bad I was responding to Geowhizzer, edited for clarity.
I pine for the days of Ruly Carpenter.
I'd like for them to realize that ther are a bunch of Asian and Latin ballplayers out there to be had.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 08:05:24 PM
QuoteIf Rowand is stealing money, what are Burrell, Lieberthal, Wolf, Leiber, Rollins, Bell, and a host of others doing?
Who will take any of them?
At least one team has asked about Rowand, we can say the same about how many of those other players? and how many of them have a NTC?
And by the end of the year, some of those contracts come off the books.
I wouldn't be against trading Rowand for decent prospects. But we were talking about him being paid 3 million. His salary was smaller than all of the ones I listed, plus several others.
Now Utley? Howard? They're downright steals. :deion
For now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 08:09:52 PM
I'd like for them to realize that ther are a bunch of Asian and Latin ballplayers out there to be had.
Gillick's history has shown he is not afraid to go after Asian players.
If he invests the money there it makes the Abreu deal less painful.
Homerun little Bonds.
Cincy is losing too....
Let's go Chase!!!!!
Man, Weaver sucks balls.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 02, 2006, 08:11:37 PM
And by the end of the year, some of those contracts come off the books.
I wouldn't be against trading Rowand for decent prospects. But we were talking about him being paid 3 million. His salary was smaller than all of the ones I listed, plus several others.
Now Utley? Howard? They're downright steals. :deion
For now.
Fair points, I am clearly bias against Rowand, I admit it.
5-0 Phils so far
Howard w/ 2 more RBI = 92 on the season
Utley 0-2 so far
Utley on pace for 9 ABs tonight :yay
Dellucci goes yard to LF, Ramon Henderson makes the barehanded grab.
Utley comingup now.
7-2 Phils. :yay
hahahahaha
That was a nice catch. :yay
Chase = 0-3.
watching on ESPN?
Coors/CBP Midwest??
Looch and Rowand hit fly balls that flew out for HRs....8-2
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2006, 09:31:27 PM
watching on ESPN?
My televisionless at the moment. My child is watching a kid's show on the $3,000 HDTV and my wife has the bedroom television occupied with some Lifetime For Women butta johnson...
I'm on MLB.TV at the moment...
Lay the law down, man!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 09:45:58 PM
Lay the law down, man!!
Hey, I got to go to training camp, bro.
I think the law has been suspended indefinitely as a result...
Me -----> :-*
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 02, 2006, 09:52:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2006, 09:45:58 PM
Lay the law down, man!!
Hey, I got to go to training camp, bro.
I think the law has been suspended indefinitely as a result...
Me -----> :-*
Good point.
It looks like Chase will have two more AB's...
And how is that unusual, Rome?
leads off the 7th and could bat in the 9th if others get on base...
Utley out.
Doesnt look like he is going to extend it.
0-4.
He should get one more AB. As long as the Bums can get a guy on base, anyway.
Of course, if he couldn't get a hit against Weaver, he doesn't deserve to extend it.
BTW, Howard walked and Burrell singled. Utley gets another chance.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 02, 2006, 10:18:45 PM
BTW, Howard walked and Burrell singled. Utley gets another chance.
Well, unless they both get caught on a double steal or something.
I think Utley is the only Phillie not to get on base yet in this one.
Then Manuel would be beaten to death by Utley with his bat.
Myers still out in the 7th. He actually got some run support! :yay
And the implosion begins... :paranoid
Madson coming in....
Christ...
Aaron Miles CONTINUES to kill the Phils.
2R HR
8-7 Phils now
Great job, Madson.
Dont worry our pitchers are just making it go extra innings, just in case Utley doesnt extend it in the ninth.
(http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1237/1/istockphoto_1237_gas_can_metal.jpg)
i hate madson
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 10:33:40 PM
Dont worry our pitchers are just making it go extra innings, just in case Utley doesnt extend it in the ninth.
Utley's the only entertaining thing about the team right now, he's certainly the only reason I'm watching. I gotta admit that frankly I don't care about the W.
Miles is 9/13 w 2 BB against the Phils this year. Jeez...
Ok, come on bitches. Score some runs to get a bigger cushion and so Chase can extend the streak
Lieby has 3 hits tonight.
Trade him to Boston. Now.
Chris Coste PH double...Roberson scores!
9-7 Phils.
Rollins gets to second on the throw at home.
I spy good fundamentals. :o
Shane Vic doubles off of Encarnacion's glove. 11-7 Phils.
Utley up.
COME ON CHASE!
Wow!!
Chase just beat out the hit! To the pitcher!
They score it a basehit!!
EXCELLENT HUSTLE!
I DONT BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW
ha
Official score is FIELDER'S CHOICE. No hit.
They just changed it to a fielders choice. What a crock of shtein.
The big ol' shtein eatin grin on his face was hilarious.
GOD DAMN!
The scorers in STL changed it to a FIELDERS CHOICE.
I hate those fargs in STL.
Quick question, did everyone's sound just go off on the game? :paranoid
They just showed Paul Hagen arguing with the scorer. :-D
Howard singles ina run.
Keep on pounding out hits.
NOW ITS BACK TO A HIT! :yay
Good call. May not have been pretty, but you have to give a hit on that one.
Phreak please recap what happened because I have no sound, but when I saw Hagen I figured somethin was up.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 11:03:21 PM
Phreak please recap what happened because I have no sound, but when I saw Hagen I figured somethin was up.
They changed it to a FC, the camera cut to the view in the press box and they showed several of the beat writers, I recognized Hagen, arguing with the official scorer.
Now its back to a hit.
Chase had a big ol' smile on his face.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 02, 2006, 11:03:21 PM
Phreak please recap what happened because I have no sound, but when I saw Hagen I figured somethin was up.
Basically, the official scorer originally called it a fielder's choice, not crediting Utley with a hit.
He changed it to a hit, though, so the streak continues.
Good call because of Utley's speed. I still farging hate St. Louis.
I'm watching the Cardinals' feed, and Al Hrabosky was going nuts when it was scored a fielder's choice.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 02, 2006, 11:06:15 PM
I'm watching the Cardinals' feed, and Al Hrabosky was going nuts when it was scored a fielder's choice.
The Mad Hungarian :yay
back to back doubles off White. 13-8 :boom :boom
Rick White is in now and gives up back to back doubles to Rolen and Edmonds.
13-8.
If Flores had made a throwing motion or chased Victorino back to 3rd, it would have been a FC. Maybe the scorer thought the latter is what happened, but it was just the momentum from running to the ball....
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2006, 11:12:47 PM
If Flores had made a throwing motion or chased Victorino back to 3rd, it would have been a FC. Maybe the scorer thought the latter is what happened, but it was just the momentum from running to the ball....
To be honest, I wouldn't have been surprised about the FC call other than the fact that it probably would have ended Utley's streak. The pitcher seemed to take his sweet time looking at third before finally throwing to first.
Mind you, I'm glad it was called a hit, and I think it was the right call. I just wouldn't have been surprised to see the FC call, other than for the importance of the at-bat.
Nice double play to end the Cards' 8th.
And yes, I agree, Rick White sucks. He should be bouncing at a titty bar in South Philly, not pitching for the team who plays there.
3.5 out of the wildcard if they hold on for the win :-D
Chase vs. Marquis tomorrow.
He ended JRoll's streak...
Jimmy hits his 2nd HR...a 3R shot!
16-8 now. :o
STL will have lost 6 in a row
Rollins goes yard again, bums up 16-8
Hah you know Hancock is going to get high tonight after taking the ball of his leg like that.
The Phils are burying that ass.
time for a legit hit, chase
i want a sweep tomorrow. revenge for the opening series of the season >:D
It's a hit.
It can't be a fielders choice without a throw. There is no way to argue it's not a hit.
"Fielder's Choice is the act of a fielder who handles a fair grounder and, instead of throwing to first base to put out the batter-runner, throws to another base in an attempt to put out a preceding runner."
http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/definition_terms_2.jsp
Here's another part of the rule book:
10.06
A base hit shall not be scored in the following cases:
(d) When a fielder fails in an attempt to put out a preceding runner, and in the scorer's judgment the batter-runner could have been put out at first base.
NOTE: This shall not apply if the fielder merely looks toward or feints toward another base before attempting to make the putout at first base;
And he gets a legit one...
legit hit anyway :-D
Utley just got another base hit up the middle, so now there's no controversy.
Fultz comes in and walks the first 2 batters. END THIS GAME >:(
Playoff bound, no doubt.
3.5 out of the WC. :-D :paranoid
WILDCARD STANDINGS
Cincinnati 55-52 .514 ---
Arizona 54-52 .509 0.5
LA Dodgers 52-55 .486 3.0
San Francisco 52-56 .481 3.5
PHILLIES 51-55 .481 3.5
Colorado 51-55 .481 3.5
Houston 51-56 .477 4.0
Milwaukee 51-57 .472 4.5
Atlanta 50-56 .472 4.5
Florida 50-57 .467 5.0
Wouldn't it be funny if the Phillies somehow managed to win the Wild Card and the Yankees end up missing the playoffs despite winning about 15 more games than the Phils?
I know I'd laugh and stuff.
They cannot possibly be in a playoff race with a pitching staff that includes Scott Mathieson and Jon Lieber.
Don't forget Rick White.
Quote from: MDS on August 03, 2006, 01:19:39 AM
They cannot possibly be in a playoff race with a pitching staff that includes Scott Mathieson and Jon Lieber.
Yea its not like Mathieson was on a couple top 100 prospects lists.
Wait...
;)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 03, 2006, 01:29:04 AM
Don't forget Rick White.
He's super.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 03, 2006, 01:31:19 AM
Yea its not like Mathieson was on a couple top 100 prospects lists.
Are you seriously insinuating that it means anything whatsoever?
1. For every guy that ends up excelling off "lists" of "top" prospects, there are at least 3 or 4 that don't.
2. For every guy that ends up excelling off "lists" of "top" prospects, there are at least 1 or 2 guys that were never on one of those lists that have nice to amazing major league careers.
3. Being on a prospect list means absolutely nothing about him helping the team get to the playoffs THIS year.
Stop the playoff talk, folks. Not. Happening.
P.S.
QuoteUtley has consistently changed the subject when his hitting streak has come up. When he was asked about the play, he responded with praise for Brett Myers' start, the Phillies' offense and the play of David Dellucci, who was 3-for-4 with a homer and four RBI.
We need more Utleys. And I wouldn't mind Dellucci sticking around past this year.
seriously stop with the playoff talk
and yous forgot about ryan madsen...the worst of them all
Madson's ERA is over 6 now, right? Yeah, he's super too.
In other news, I don't know if anyone mentioned that Rheal blew the game in his first appearance for the Reds.
yes its over six....i believe he fell out of the spot but at one time he had the highest era of any starting pitcher in the national league
Thanks for newsflash FF I did not realize that prospects are completely unproven.
that is incredibly accurate
Do you have any newsletters I can subscribe to that contains your vast knowledge of the minors I would really find it helpful. Thanks.
I was farging with MDS I know him from two other sites. The Phillies will have to make it to .500 before I even look at the WC standings.
Gio Gonzalez outlasted one of the guys we didnt get for Abreu, Phillip Hughes last night.
Hughes went five innings of shut out ball, Gio went six.
World Series 2012, here we come.
I'm quivering with anticipation.
Utley gets it over with early today. 35 straight. :yay
And Utley extends his streak to 35
Was reading on the Phils MB that Rowand has some sort of rib injury (crack, sprain, break) and a shoulder injury. Perhaps that is why his batting numbers are zesty this year.
This throwing this out there for mpmcrowand. ;D
dont do that phreak then he will come back with burrell for mvp if it wasnt for his foot
btw dont look now but hamels might be turning a little bit of a corner in his last few starts
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2006, 09:39:13 PM
btw dont look now but hamels might be turning a little bit of a corner in his last few starts
You just jinxed him. We probably now have the next Rick Ankiel on our hands.
P.S. How is Chris Coste so money?
Colbert does look good. He's getting the K's. I think he has 9 tonight so far.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 03, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
Colbert does look good. He's getting the K's. I think he has 9 tonight so far.
Correct.
He had 12 in 5 1/3 the night I saw him in Philly.
And then he imploded.
Still, it was cool watching him befuddle Atlanta like that for a while.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2006, 09:39:13 PM
dont do that phreak then he will come back with burrell for mvp if it wasnt for his foot
btw dont look now but hamels might be turning a little bit of a corner in his last few starts
Coincidentally that used to be my screen name on the phillies MB.
King Kole has 12 K's now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 03, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
Colbert does look good. He's getting the K's. I think he has 9 tonight so far.
Colbert. :-D
He's done for the night.
7 IP 1 ER 2 H 2 BB 12 K :yay
Huh...imagine that. Trish took a called 3rd with a RISP to end the inning.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 03, 2006, 10:43:33 PM
Huh...imagine that. Trish took a called 3rd with a RISP to end the inning.
:o
Rowand hit a HR.
Are the Fightins really about to sweep the Cardinals in three dominating games?
Payback for the beginning of the season.
And apologies to FS64 because I know he's a Red Birds fan and he's cool (wheres he been lately, by the way?), but I hate those STL fans. Pompous bastiches. Welcome to heaven, they say. They even put upa sign thanking the Philly fans for Scott Rolen.
LaRussa bothers me too.
Roberson INF RBI single.
7-1 Phils
Another hit for Chase
8-1 Phils.
I agree about LaRussa.
I swear, when Utley came up last night for his sixth at-bat, they were showing LaRussa on camera, and for a second, I thought he was going to put up four fingers to put Utley on.
I can't stand that dick and I agree about the first series of the season too. I was at opening day and it was brutal watching the Cards destroy the Phillies. Just hang in there and sweep those fargers.
Although in fairness to Tony he had them pitch to Jimmy so he could extend his streak earlier.
I still want to read that Buzz Bissinger book where hehas all access to the team. I can't remember the name of it I think its 3 nights in August or something like that.
Now we go to NYC to take on the Mets. How sweet it'd be to sweep thos bums too.
The Cardinals announcers just put up a graphic for the series:
Phillies: 29 runs, 45 hits, 0 errors
Cards: 12 runs, 17 hits, 6 errors
:-D
World. Series.
WILDCARD STANDINGS
Cincinnati 55-53 .509 ---
Arizona 55-53 .509 ---
LA Dodgers 53-55 .491 2.0
PHILLIES 52-55 .486 2.5
Colorado 52-55 .486 2.5
San Francisco 52-56 .481 3.0
Houston 51-57 .472 4.0
Milwaukee 51-57 .472 4.0
Florida 51-57 .472 4.0
Atlanta 50-57 .467 4.5
This weekend:
PHILLIES at Mets
Braves at Reds
Dodgers at Marlins
Brewers at Cardinals
Astros at Diamondbacks
Rockies at Giants
That's crazy.
Come on Phils. Do it just to make it interesting!
Some clue me in to how this pack of losers is less than 3 games from a playoff berth?
Quote from: MDS on August 04, 2006, 01:43:32 AM
Some clue me in to how this pack of losers is less than 3 games from a playoff berth?
Clearly Abreu and Liddle were the only two cancers in the club house, and now that they have been excised its glory road.
Pat Burrell is a loser. He sucks. Why isn't Victorino playing for him?
Quote from: MDS on August 04, 2006, 01:46:44 AM
Pat Burrell is a loser. He sucks. Why isn't Victorino playing for him?
Clearly Burrell was being overly influenced by Abreu. Now that Abreu is gone its glory road for both Pat and the Phils.
Next.
Some clue me in to how this pack of losers is less than 3 games from a playoff berth?
because they just happened to run into a team that is currently the worst team in the majors
Quote from: MDS on August 04, 2006, 01:43:32 AM
Some clue me in to how this pack of losers is less than 3 games from a playoff berth?
Because the National League is basically AAAA minor league ball right now.
Quote from: NGM on August 04, 2006, 01:45:47 AM
Clearly Abreu and Liddle were the only two cancers in the club house, and now that they have been excised its glory road.
I chuckled, sadly.
Besides the Mets, the Phils won't play another team over .500 the rest of the year (unless the Reds stop their freefall before next week)...
Besides the Mets, the Phils won't play another team over .500 the rest of the year (unless the Reds stop their freefall before next week)...
if you arent counting the reds then there are only three teams in the NL over .500 and you can say the same thing about any team in the wild card race
for example houston plays no one over .500 the rest of the year except for stl
the phils are actually at a disadvantage in the race as they have to play the mets who are the best team in the league and they have to play them 10 times...in fact i bet the phils have more games against over .500 teams than anyone else in the national league from here on out
San Francisco is in last place in the NL West at 52-56. San Diego and Arizona are over .500. I think a third team and possibly a fourth will be over .500 in the next few weeks. The Phils are done with the NL West. Most teams aren't. They're also done with St. Louis. Again, most teams aren't...
If the Phillies keep bangin' out 8, 9, 10 runs a night, it won't matter who they play.
Regardless, some teams are gonna get their faces kicked in by the Phillies, and although they have no chance to win in the playoffs, I'd like to see them be spoliers well into September.
[homer]I don't for a second believe they'll make the playoffs but I wouldn't mind seeing them make a run for it.[/homer]
The Phils are done with the NL West. Most teams aren't. They're also done with St. Louis. Again, most teams aren't...
and the phils play by far the best team in the NL ten times THIS MONTH...doesnt get tougher than that in the league...the phils do not have an easier schedule than the other wild card teams...thats all im saying...
I don't for a second believe they'll make the playoffs but I wouldn't mind seeing them make a run for it.
anyone who claims to be a phillie fan and doesnt want them to make the playoffs is a joke...there does seem to be a segment of people out there who fall into that category tho...like "i cant stand this team they suck i hope they lose' blah blah blah....these will also be the first people on the playoff bandwagon if they make it
I just don't think they have enough pitching, IGY.
It's entirely possible that Myers, Lieber, Hamels, Wolf, & Mathieson/Madson could collectively get hot down the stretch and the Phillies could continue smashing the ball to pieces, but I just don't see it happening.
Also - I think the Phillies moving Abreu, Bell & Franklin went a long way toward appeasing those Phillies fans out there who were calling for blood. I know they didn't get much in return, and the team would have been better if Gillick had actually gotten some front-line talent in return, but still, there's something about them that has looked different lately.
I don't know what it is. Maybe it's Utley, Rollins & Howard taking over as team leaders but they have looked different lately.
Like I said, I'm hoping for a miracle but I just don't see it happening.
oh they arent making it...i know that...i just get angry at the people who are rooting against them
still ill be at shea sat and sun cheering em on
Hamels delivers again! this kid could be soemthing special. the team is hot now...
Red Sox get Lopez. Not Leiberthal. Suckers.
Lopez blows his knee out tonight; Lieberthal is reunited with Francoma tomorrow.
I give them a .1% chance of making it. But I'll be rooting like crazy. The fire-sale (even though Lieber and Burrell and the catcher weren't dealt) has changed the attytood.
Chase dropped his meat cleaver there for a minute to make a great catch in foul ground down the 1B line. Sweet. :yay
El Dookie had 2 balks in one inning.
2-2 game no hit for Chase yet
And the opposing pitchers continue to hurt them...
El Dookie hits a 2 out 2 strike triple to LF....then Reyes singles him in.
3-2 Muts
Utley will lead off the top of the 9th, having gone 0 for 4 so far.
I'm sure Utley would agree that beating the Mets is a better accomplishment than extending his streak, but after Dellucci just struck out looking with the bases juiced to end the 8th, a hit wouldn't hurt.
Arthur Rhodes just walked Milledge to lead off the bottom of the 8th.
I think we know where this is going.
EDIT: Rhodes pitched out of it nicely, but Utley struck out to lead off the 9th. No more hit streak for Chase... unless the Mets tie the game in the bottom of the 9th and they go into extras. Which I do NOT want to happen.
Then, Howard strokes an insurance run. Ryan Howard completes me.
Looks like the streak is finis.
Howard with another bomb.
Out of all the teams to lose it to you lose to a team with one of the worst team era's in baseball.
Whatever. I'm glad he lost it in a win over the farging Mets. I don't care what their team ERA is.
I was only joking about the Mets. They luckily have a good ERA, but let's all hate on them and pretend it sucks anyway. On paper though their pitching farging blows. The Phillies have better and that is pretty pathetic to say the least.
Anyone else like how Ryan Howard stuck a dagger in those pompous iceholes at Shea tonight? They were cheering Utley losing his streak and then Howard strokes an opposite field bomb.
Too bad Cincy won tonight.
The Mets wish they had as good of a hitter as Howard.
Stop making me start caring again.
QuotePhillies Notes
NEW YORK - Cory Lidle ripped his former Phillies teammates Monday in a teleconference with New York reporters but later recanted.
Didn't mean it, he said.
Billy Wagner ripped his former teammates numerous times and meant mostly every word. But yesterday at Shea Stadium, the former Phillies closer pointed out one critical difference between himself and Lidle: "I said it while I was there. I didn't say it while I was going out the door. They knew where I stood. That's the difference between me and Lidle. If you want my [hide], you know where I live... . It's chicken."
Wagner ripped his teammates in an Inquirer story late last June, and some teammates were so upset, most notably Kenny Lofton, they called a team meeting to chew out Wagner.
Of course, that didn't stop Wagner. He spoke his mind freely and openly the rest of the season and took a few shots at his former teammates this season after he had signed with the New York Mets.
But Wagner said he isn't surprised the Phillies have played well recently, despite trading Bobby Abreu, Rheal Cormier, David Bell, Sal Fasano and Lidle and designating Ryan Franklin for assignment. "They're talented," Wagner said. "They have a good team. They're getting on a roll and getting comfortable."
By the way, a New York Yankees teammate put ice cream in Lidle's locker after his victory Thursday at Yankee Stadium. Phillies setup man Arthur Rhodes had pointed out that Lidle loved to eat ice cream instead of working out after he pitched.
Haha @ someone leaving ice cream in Lidle's locker.
And as much as I don't like Billy Wags now, he is right. When he let his comments rips he was still on the team. Lidle waited until he left to blast away.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 04, 2006, 11:06:50 PM
Too bad Cincy won tonight.
Yeah, because the Phillies really should care about individual wins by
other teams right now.
It's way too early to start looking up. Once the Phils are a couple of games clear of .500, if they're still looking up at anyone in the wildcard race, then MAYBE it's worth talking about.
Quote from: MDS on August 05, 2006, 01:28:33 AM
Stop making me start caring again.
A-farging-men.
Howard just hit 38. He is a God among men.
farg lieber
good god can they cereally get back to .500?
Not for another 3 games. Burrell leads off the 9th by striking out looking - SHOCKER!
Howard and Utley tried to make it interesting, but PH Mike Lieberthal grounds out after working a 3-2 count.
Go Phils.
Ahhh, the good old days return.
1. all runs off early homer.
2. shut down the offense after that.
3. late rally comes up empty
4. lots of men left on base
5. jon lieber has one bad inning, normally starting with some sort of bonehead play (i.e. his 2 out error)
More comments from Wagner yesterday:
"I had a lot of respect for those guys, and you know what? To have a two-bit starter come over there and say that when he could have said something in the clubhouse ... To say the **** Lidle said and not confront some people?"
"When you say it leaving, that's unfair. If he believes that, then he needs to stand there and say it and take the heat. You know what, when you walk out the door and say that, that's chicken****."
"I wasn't saying they're not good guys or good players, I just expected more, like I expected more of myself. I'll tell you right now, I never had a problem with Pat Burrell when he was on the field because he played his tail off."
"I thought [Lidle's comments] were very unfair and a cheap shot."
On Rhodes' retaliation ("scab", ice cream, etc.): "That's awesome!". He also added that the ice cream and internet stuff was true.
"It's not my job to sit there and tell him. That's for other people. I guess nobody stopped it."
On Lidle's comments about Bonds' HR records: "He's an average pitcher who talked **** about Barry Bonds. What could HE possibly know about Barry Bonds?!"
Sucked to see them lose.
So...Phils and Eagles are on tomorrow at the same time. What will YOU be watching?
Pat's defense was great today, by the way. :boo
I'll be watching both. I'll have the Pub put the Eagles on one screen and the Phillies on the small screen next to it.
;D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 06, 2006, 08:50:24 AM
I'll be watching both. I'll have the Pub put the Eagles on one screen and the Phillies on the small screen next to it.
;D
Good thing the Magic aren't playing.
Lieber's errant throw on a routine play lost them that game.
I reiterate...farg Lieber
Why the farg would anyone watch a baseball game instead of a football game? You're all farging soft in the head.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 06, 2006, 09:55:17 AM
Why the farg would anyone watch a baseball game instead of a football game? You're all farging soft in the head.
:-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 06, 2006, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 06, 2006, 08:50:24 AM
I'll be watching both. I'll have the Pub put the Eagles on one screen and the Phillies on the small screen next to it.
;D
Good thing the Magic aren't playing.
The Magic thing never gets old, doode.
:yay
I agree, doode (sic). :yay
I'll click over to the Phils when the Eagles are on commercial.
Lieber and Burrell should be shot.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 06, 2006, 09:55:17 AM
Why the farg would anyone watch a baseball game instead of a football game? You're all farging soft in the head.
He speaka the truth.
That's what the "Previous Channel" button is for. 8)
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 06, 2006, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 06, 2006, 09:55:17 AM
Why the farg would anyone watch a baseball game instead of a football game? You're all farging soft in the head.
He speaka the truth.
Says the guy with like 300 posts in the Mets thread... :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 06, 2006, 05:22:23 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 06, 2006, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 06, 2006, 09:55:17 AM
Why the farg would anyone watch a baseball game instead of a football game? You're all farging soft in the head.
He speaka the truth.
Says the guy with like 300 posts in the Mets thread... :-D
Ask me if I'll spend even 2 seconds thinking about the Mets during the Eagles game tonight... ;)
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 06, 2006, 05:52:27 PM
Ask me if I'll spend even 2 seconds thinking about the Mets during the Eagles game tonight... ;)
Not only will you think about it, I'll bet you're flipping back and forth.
I hope you're prepared to lose some money then... this pretty much marks the end of baseball season as far as I'm concerned. The Mets have done a pretty good job of being a bridge between the end of football last season 'til now, but now it's time for the Eagles to step back up to the forefront.
MetFeva has a nice ring to it.
;)
Yeah...um, nice game so far.
last I checked Mathieson pulled a Lieber and threw the ball away on a comebacker and allowed a run to score. It was 2-0. Then I checked back briefly and Jose Reyes hit a GS to make it 7-0 in the 4th.
For those that care, the Phillies are getting smoked. 8-0 the last time I checked in.
GO EAGLES!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 06, 2006, 09:47:59 AM
Lieber's errant throw on a routine play lost them that game.
I reiterate...farg Lieber
farg Mathieson too?
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 06, 2006, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 06, 2006, 09:47:59 AM
Lieber's errant throw on a routine play lost them that game.
I reiterate...farg Lieber
farg Mathieson too?
Yes.
Let Leiber screw Mathieson. They deserve each other.
Ahhh, back to the old tricks. Nice.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15219176.htm
lol
I'll miss him. He's a good player.
gillick was a friggin genius this past offseason.
What's the over/under on the percentage chance that the "Player to be named later" is Ryan Franklin?
I'd say 65%.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 07, 2006, 04:30:32 PM
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15219176.htm
lol
I see Gillick is trying to help the Phils win the WC by sending Cincy our bullpen trash. Good job, Pat!
Whiz,
Franklin is no Rob Ducey, bro! ;D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2006, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 07, 2006, 04:30:32 PM
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/15219176.htm
lol
I see Gillick is trying to help the Phils win the WC by sending Cincy our bullpen trash. Good job, Pat!
if only he wasnt here in the first place to sent to cincy. Good job, Pat!
Howard killed another one tonigh. He's now at 39 with 101 rbi's.
Burrell continues to put his excellent defense on display. Man, that guy is GOOD!
9-4 in the 9th, Phils lead.
Cincy is losing
But Phreak he laughed when he lost the first ball in the twilight and then caught it so he is ok now since he showed emotion.
He also hit a double with RISP.
:=)
lol at Wolf's face when he picks up Jones broken bat after the homerun
lmfao he checked for a cork too
More false hope that they're actually in this thing. Yay!
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 07, 2006, 10:03:26 PM
But Phreak he laughed when he lost the first ball in the twilight and then caught it so he is ok now since he showed emotion.
He also hit a double with RISP.
:=)
Yeah, how dare he laugh on the field! It shows he has no commitment to winning. Him and that smiling bastich Donovan should be killed.
Although I didn't find it funny that he was laughing after yet again screwing up in the field. He sucks.
Nah man that's not what I meant. Just that he is showing emotion like you wanted him to.
He didnt screw up when he laughed by the way. He caught it at the last second.
The Franklin trade is working!!
QuoteMolina's two-run double in the fourth off right-hander Ryan Franklin -- acquired earlier in the day from Philadelphia -- made it 9-1 and gave him four RBI, matching his career high. Molina had been in a slump since the All-Star break, batting .175 with only six RBI.
The Phillies simultaneously made the wild card front-runners weaker and their organization stronger.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 07, 2006, 10:18:02 PM
Nah man that's not what I meant. Just that he is showing emotion like you wanted him to.
He didnt screw up when he laughed by the way. He caught it at the last second.
I know. But he did strike out and looked pretty bad doing it.
I posted that to break your balls
Burrell's johnson is all chafed and covered in mpmcgraw's DNA.
well there are already too many people snowballing Rowand so I guess I had to settle
Rowand actually has 4 penises. So there's still plenty of room whenever you decide to give up on Pat the Bat.
he would need more mouths too for snowballing to work effectively
I applaud your attention to detail.
Worse than Doug Glanville? :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2006, 10:35:58 PM
Worse than Doug Glanville? :-D
Everyone's worse than Doug. He was the best CF to ever play the game.
Need I remind you of Marlon Byrd's 2004 season?
Clearly the best season by a Phillies centerfielder to date.
You loved Ricky Otero too, didn't ya?
I was like 8 when he played here.
So sadly I do not remember.
Who would win the following fights?
1. 2006 Rowand vs. 2006 Lenny Dykstra
2. 2006 Rowand vs. 1993 Lenny Dykstra
They are both jackasses and on steroids, but I'd take Dykstra both times because he owns car washes. :yay
^^^ Stop typing. ^^^
yes, Rowand is CLEARLY on roids.
::)
His face is on steroids.
OH SNAP!
so the prospects that came back for Abreu are nothing?
less than nothing
at least they don't have to pay his salary.
thats true if one were to actually care what the phils pay people...i personally dont
if they use the money to get a better player or players than abreu then its fine....if they dont its a disgraceful move
Well, it matters if you want the team to have any chance to improve with their swiftly-dropping payroll.
they're going to win the wild card this year
Well, it matters if you want the team to have any chance to improve with their swiftly-dropping payroll.
if they use the money to get a better player or players than abreu then its fine....if they dont its a disgraceful move
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2006, 12:52:47 PM
if they use the money to get a better player or players than abreu then its fine....if they dont its a disgraceful move
they won't and we all know it.
the payroll next season will more than likely be no more than 70M of active player salaries. (i say active, because they tried to tell everyone that their payroll went up this season, which it technically did, but they were paying thome)
Attendance is going to be down for the second year in a row...and dramatically lower than opening year of the shiny new ballpark...if anyone thinks payroll will go up after 2 seasons of declining revenue...you are doing nothing but kidding yourself.
i can just about gaurantee that Ryan Howard, nor Chase Utley will ever see a second contract with the phils unless attendance rises, or ownership changes.
note to the simpletons, in case you havent realized it yet I do not think Rowand is worse than Glanville or on steroids
christ
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2006, 12:45:32 PM
thats true if one were to actually care what the phils pay people...i personally dont
if they use the money to get a better player or players than abreu then its fine....if they dont its a disgraceful move
That chedda is going right in Monty and the rest of the idiots pockets. They wont allow Gillick to spend it. Watch.
1-0 Braves Bot 5th. That run should be solely on Victorino's shoulders. Misplayed the ball off the wall and then couldn't field it properly allowing the runner to get to 3rd.
And Howard is thrown out trying to stretch a double into a triple on two perfect relay throws.
Burrell swings at an off speed 3-0 pitch, nubs it, and then doesn't run down the line immediately and gets thrown out.
Hamels nice day (again) is wasted.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 08, 2006, 09:21:37 PM
Burrell swings at an off speed 3-0 pitch, nubs it, and then doesn't run down the line immediately and gets thrown out.
He knew the pitcher would work it back to 3-2 and then catch him looking at a curve right over the meat of the plate.
So, you gotta give him the credit of having the foresight to avoid that.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 08, 2006, 09:25:28 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 08, 2006, 09:21:37 PM
Burrell swings at an off speed 3-0 pitch, nubs it, and then doesn't run down the line immediately and gets thrown out.
He knew the pitcher would work it back to 3-2 and then catch him looking at a curve right over the meat of the plate.
So, you gotta give him the credit of having the foresight to avoid that.
That's true. We want to leave the complete offensive ineptitude to Nunez, who seems more than capable of taking care of that concern completely by himself.
Please bring Abreu back.
Please.
Bases loaded, down 3-0, 1 out.
Left handed pitcher coming in to face Dellucci. :-\
Dellucci hit it to the top of the CF wall.... 3-1
Hudson had his stuff tonight and made the Phils look bad.
argh Looch....1 foot or so from a grand slam :boom
Meanwhile, all the teams that the Phils needed to lose......won....
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 08, 2006, 09:25:28 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 08, 2006, 09:21:37 PM
Burrell swings at an off speed 3-0 pitch, nubs it, and then doesn't run down the line immediately and gets thrown out.
He knew the pitcher would work it back to 3-2 and then catch him looking at a curve right over the meat of the plate.
So, you gotta give him the credit of having the foresight to avoid that.
Pat doesn't watch curves. He watches meaty fastballs.
I've seen part of one Phillies game since mid june, yet I hate Pat Burrell more than any other Phillie at any point in my life.
I hate Pat Burrell more than any other Phillie at any point in my life.
make that any philly athlete and you might be right
argh Looch
looch??
end yourself
unclutch homerun to tie the game today from Burrell
cholly should just let Madson go all three innings for the save
The bases-loaded double by Utley was more clutcher.
what's the score?
Quote from: SunMoTzu on August 09, 2006, 04:12:28 PM
what's the score?
9-3 Phils heading into the top of the 9th.
nice, playoffs baby!
Harry The K with a great call today...
Utley busts it home and scores and Harry gets all excited and says "Chase Utley...you are the MAN!!'
Getting excited about baseball rules.
By the way, Utley scored from 2nd on a ball hit to the pitcher.
RJS's nipples are hard with excitement.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 09, 2006, 05:26:24 PM
By the way, Utley scored from 2nd on a ball hit to the pitcher.
RJS's nipples are hard with excitement.
Yep, all three of 'em, undoubtedly.
Tom Gordon! Haaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa. Why do I listen to this shtein.
Nice game so far. Be even better if they can win especially since The Arsonist is pitching for the Reds now.
mp,
Nice to see some emotion from your boy tonight. And a clutch hit with 2 strikes.
For those few that care. the Phils and Reds are tied at 5 going into the bottom of the 12th.
2 on, 2 out in the 12th, and who did Manuel have to send up to hit... Randy Wolf.
Whiffs and they're in the 13th.
Oh my.... :o
Todd Hollandsworth just made an AMAZING grab to save the game. You'll be seeing it on ESPN.
Lieby would've scored on that.
2 out and 0 outs in the bottom of the 14th with Howard coming up...
Reds IBB Howard to load 'em up with 0 outs. :o
Fultz batting now.
Howard has been IBB 3x in a row.
game of the year?
If they win, yes.
Fultz lines out to the drawn in SS.
Rowand up now with 1 out.
Why do I see a 6-4-3 DP in our future?
Wheels just said "Get 'er done". :-D
Rowand jumps out of the way of the ball....very close to hitting him. come on aaron, you've been hit 16 times already take it
But he makes up for it!!!
Basehit for Rowand!
6-5 Phils. :yay
The Reds had to use two starting pitchers to pitch tonight including the starter for tomorrow (Ramriez)
If you don't appreciate baseball, that game will make you. Very nice.
I bet Eskin kicked his dog tonight.
Only 2 games out.
Christ, these fools have pulled me back in.
If you don't appreciate baseball, that game will make you. Very nice.
I bet Eskin kicked his dog tonight.
i like eskin but lately he is making me sick with his hate the phils....blow the birds at all costs aura
but yeah i agree......only aids patients like rjs dont like baseball
and phreak...yes game of the year....if gasoline man ryan franklin hadnt shut down the phils for two innings...i was ready to throw my head threw a window at the thought of him doing that and the phils losing the game
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2006, 11:45:29 PM
If you don't appreciate baseball, that game will make you. Very nice.
I bet Eskin kicked his dog tonight.
i like eskin but lately he is making me sick with his hate the phils....blow the birds at all costs aura
but yeah i agree......only aids patients like rjs dont like baseball
and phreak...yes game of the year....if gasoline man ryan franklin hadnt shut down the phils for two innings...i was ready to throw my head threw a window at the thought of him doing that and the phils losing the game
Howie will always hate on the Phils. They punk'd his Pop back in the day and he still holds a grudge.
And when Franklin came in I said to my boy that he would shut 'em down. That always happens. They let some scrub go and then he hurts them.
Excellent win tonight. The fact that they fought back after Gordon's BS is big. Coste has been huge.
That was an excellent game. :yay
I thought they were sunk in the 13th. Thank the good Lord for Griffey's chronicly bad hammy... :paranoid
I watched the game at the pub last night and had about 10 Reds fans busting my crackers after Gordon blew it in the ninth.
I've been watching games there for almost 15 years and have never seen a Bengals fan much less a Reds fan there in all that time.
:-D
Great game, though.
cj henry piece in the inky today...
Trying to find his footing
C.J. Henry, now with Lakewood, admits he has learning to do.
By Keith Pompey
Inquirer Suburban Staff
LAKEWOOD, N.J. - C.J. Henry is an intriguing mix of raw talent, disappointing performances and extreme confidence.
Henry was the 17th overall selection in the first round of the 2005 amateur baseball draft by the New York Yankees out of Putnam City High School in Oklahoma City.
The 20-year-old struggled in the Yankees' farm system before being one of four Bronx Bombers prospects traded to the Phillies for Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle on July 30.
And now, as the shortstop for the Phillies' single-A Lakewood BlueClaws, Henry refuses to listen to those who question why the Yankees gave him a $1,575,000 signing bonus last summer.
"I'm still learning," Henry said yesterday, hours before making his home debut at FirstEnergy Park. "So when I say that I am going to surprise some people, it is going to take me a couple of years to get it down. Once I get it down, I'm going to take off."
So far, the only thing Henry is doing is striking out a lot.
In his 131 games as a minor-leaguer before last night, Henry had struck out in every 3.6 at-bats. He's also had a career batting average of just .238.
Despite his dismal statistics, Lakewood hitting coach Kenny Dominguez said Henry is still a hot prospect.
"Obviously, at times, people's expectations, they want things yesterday," Dominguez said. "But in this particular game, it doesn't always happen that quick... . For me, it's not the timetable. It's the process. Will he get better? Yes, he will. Is he going to be really good? I think he has a chance to be really good."
But is he playing the right sport?
Some might argue that Henry should have honored his commitment to play basketball at the University of Kansas instead of playing professional baseball.
In high school, the 6-foot-3, 205-pounder excelled in basketball, baseball, and track and field. Many people in his hometown expected Henry to keep with his family's tradition of playing college basketball.
His parents, Carl Sr. and Barbara, both played basketball at Kansas. Carl later spent two seasons with Sacramento Kings as a shooting guard.
Barbara's sister, Vicki Summers, played basketball at Kansas, and brother, Joe Adkins, played hoops at Oklahoma State.
Add to all that the fact that Henry's younger brother, Xavier, has the potential to be the best hoopster in the family. A 6-6 shooting guard, Xavier is recognized by numerous publications and recruiting analysts as one of nation's premier rising high school sophomores.
"Basketball is in our blood," said Henry, a three-time Oklahoma Class 6-A all-state combo guard who averaged 22 points as a senior.
Despite his family's success on the court, Henry's decision to play baseball didn't come as a surprise.
He hit .481 with 13 home runs, 41 RBIs, 52 runs scored and 21 stolen bases in his senior year at high school to become a USA Today all-USA selection. Baseball America ranked him the second-best prep athlete in the 2005 draft behind Arizona prospect Justin Upton.
"If I went to Kansas, I would have had to play in college for a couple of years before [going pro]," he said. "Baseball was first opportunity to go pro."
And for the first time in his athletic career, Henry is able to focus on just baseball. While in high school, he didn't practice in the preseason due to his basketball team consistently going deep in the postseason. And covering 400 meters in 49 seconds, he ran track when not playing baseball in the spring.
While showing glimpses of power last season, Henry hit only .249 for the rookie-level Gulf Coast League Yankees. He did, however, steal 17 bases in 48 games.
Henry didn't fare much better in the 77 games he played with single-A Charleston this season before being traded. He was hitting just .240 with two homers and 33 RBIs. And 86 of his 275 at-bats ended in strikeouts. He also committed 25 errors.
"At first, I thought the Yankees maybe gave up on me," Henry said. "But the more I thought about it, I realized that they really didn't. They were just trying to win right now. They just had to get the best player that they could get."
While Abreu and Lidle are paying dividends for the Yankees, Henry continues to struggle. Heading into last night's contest, he had a .227 batting average to go with three RBIs, six strikeouts and two errors in six games with Lakewood.
But he's not concerned.
"Everything in high school, all of the accolades I had, that was just on ability, natural talent," Henry said. "Once I get some instruction and playing every day, I will be fine. I don't worry about basketball right now."
How are they in a playoff race at 2 games under .500?
How are they in a playoff race
shhhhh
I'm pretty sure C.J. Henry is a douchebag.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2006, 11:40:19 PM
Christ, these fools have pulled me back in.
Sucker. They're just farging with you.
Quote from: MDS on August 12, 2006, 11:46:07 AM
How are they in a playoff race at 2 games under .500?
The National League wild card is akin to the Special Olympics.
Abreu would have struck out in the 9th if he was batting instead of Victorino :P
Dellucci hits a 2R HR in the 1st.
Reds are starting EZ Ramirez despite him being the guy who pitched the 14th for them last night.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 12, 2006, 07:18:24 PM
Dellucci hits a 2R HR in the 1st.
Reds are starting EZ Ramirez despite him being the guy who pitched the 14th for them last night.
I wonder when the last time (if ever) a pitcher was credited with a loss in consecutive games without making both appearences in relief?
After Mathieson gives up 4 in the top of the 2nd (including a bases loaded hit to Elizardo ::) ), Rollins answers with a 3-run HR, knocking Elizardo out. 5-4 Phils, 2nd inning. Rollins needs 1 more HR to tie the Phillies record for HRs in a season by a shortstop (Granny Hamner, 17 in 1952)...
6-5 Reds. Both starters finished with 1 out, top of the 4th...
And Mathieson gives up a leadoff homer to Phillips that we didn't get to see because UPN was slow returing from commercial (they do this on CSN a lot too).
5-5
Then the Reds take the lead on back to back doubles.
6-5
Fultz in.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 12, 2006, 09:58:45 AM
I watched the game at the pub last night and had about 10 Reds fans busting my crackers after Gordon blew it in the ninth.
Groundhog Day tonight??????????
3-2-1..............."BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
Tom Gordon almost ruined my Friday night, now he has officially ruined my Saturday. Off to the market for a 12 pzck of Heineken Light.
Shame on those of you who actually fell into their trap.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 12, 2006, 10:31:59 PM
Shame on those of you who actually fell into their trap.
Me? C'mon now. Never. ::)
Damn >:(
Shoulda won this game. I had a feeling that Howard was going to crush a 3R HR to win it. :-\
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 12, 2006, 11:07:01 PM
Damn >:(
Shoulda won this game. I had a feeling that Howard was going to crush a 3R HR to win it. :-\
At least he didn't TAKE striike three. :-\
Are they seriously considering contending for the wild card with farging Scott Matheison as a starter? Can't they trade his bum ass for another Cory Lidle, someone who can give us 4 runs over 6 innings (not 5 over 3).
What's Paul Abbott doing these days? Give 'im a call.
My high ass right now is better than Abbott.
Smokin crack again, eh?
They lost a game. Plenty more to play.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 12, 2006, 10:31:59 PM
Shame on those of you who actually fell into their trap.
Oh, I know...how dare they lose a game?
Howard has 40 dingers through 117 games. That's absurd.
:deion
And I agree with PG. Plenty more to play. A sweep against the Reds would have been sweet, though.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 13, 2006, 09:52:52 AM
They lost a game. Plenty more to play.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 12, 2006, 10:31:59 PM
Shame on those of you who actually fell into their trap.
Oh, I know...how dare they lose a game?
So, you want to go on record as saying that it's likely that they'll make the playoffs? Didn't think so.
I never said that. However, to make comments like you did after one loss (when the team is on a run like they are) is kind of ridiculous.
If they go on a losing streak putting themselves 6-7 games out, then that comment would be a little more appropriate, IMO.
You hate the Phillies...kind of like what I said to MDS on the Flyers thread...why bother reading/posting on this thread? Just askin'.
I hate the Phillies too but they're like 2 fat people farging in a gynormous bowl of mayonase......sounds bad and looks worse but you watch it anyway.
You watch fat people farg in mayo?
I can't help it.
:-D
No problem, Sassy.
Personally, I prefer watching lesbians who look like supermodels get each other off orally, but hey, I'm a rebel, so...
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 13, 2006, 10:20:04 AM
You hate the Phillies...kind of like what I said to MDS on the Flyers thread...why bother reading/posting on this thread? Just askin'.
I like the Phillies. I hate the owners, and I think the manager sucks, and I hate a few of the players... so it comes across that I hate them. Oh, and I hate the fans that are stupid enough to think a team like this has any chance of making anything happen. Wake me up if they have a winning record again, and then I'll give you even more reasons to give up hope.
No major league team should be trotting out Chris Mathieson every 5th game right now, and no contending team should even think about it. So, as long as we've established that they're not contenders, then we can delude ourselves into thinking the ownership will allow the GM to go out and improve the team next year... when we all know there is no way in hell that's going to happen.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 13, 2006, 01:01:01 PM
No problem, Sassy.
Personally, I prefer watching lesbians who look like supermodels get each other off orally, but hey, I'm a rebel, so...
I didn't say I prefer watching it. I said I can't help it.....just like I can't help but watch the Phillies. Watching hot lesbians get each other off is in no way like watching the Phillies. Watching lesbians is enjoyable and the best part about it is it doesn't matter which side scores first.
So long as you agree that watching hot broads lick each other is preferable to watching fat people farg in a pool of condiments, it's all good, Sassy.
Definately. However if there were lesbians on the right and fat people in mayo on the left I believe my head would explode.
I've never seen fat people farging in mayo but I have seen enormous women wrestling in a pit of cole slaw before.
Trust me when I say this, it's not a pretty picture.
;D
Dude, that's farging disgusting. Seriously. I hate cole slaw.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 13, 2006, 01:15:57 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 13, 2006, 01:01:01 PM
I didn't say I prefer watching it. I said I can't help it.....just like I can't help but watch the Phillies. Watching hot lesbians get each other off is in no way like watching the Phillies. Watching lesbians is enjoyable and the best part about it is it doesn't matter which side scores first.
:-D
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 13, 2006, 01:32:12 PM
Dude, that's farging disgusting. Seriously. I hate cole slaw.
Enjoy...
(http://cabbagepatchbar.com/zCSS/2006/BW/Wrestling/S/pictures/06-1160.jpg)
Make it stop.
Those ladies are not hot, either.
Myers has 5 Ks through 2 IP
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 13, 2006, 02:10:57 PM
Myers has 5 Ks through 2 IP
That's weak. I would expect that he'd have 8. He should be tying the major league record for K's every inning.
and of course he falls apart in the 3rd, started by an ERIC MILTON DOUBLE
The Reds love them sum Brett Myers pitching.
At least we'll get to see Howard break Schmidt's single season HR record. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Sigh.
teases.
Why do opposing pitchers hurt this team? :-\
Time to get swept by the Mets and end this ridiculous wild card attempt.
I am glad Mathieson is up here.
The Phillies suck, I would rather Mathieson get some experience now rather than next year or 08 when we may actually be better than the Rockies.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 13, 2006, 07:51:12 PM
I am glad Mathieson is up here.
The Phillies suck, I would rather Mathieson get some experience now rather than next year or 08 when we may actually be better than the Rockies.
That's fine. So, you are not one of the people I'm laughing at for getting some hope for 2006.
Hope for 2006? Hell, I'm laughing at people who have hope for 2010.
:-D
See? I'm laughing.
At you.
For hoping.
Carrasco/Barb threw a no-hitter at Lakewood today... :yay
thank God they used this weekend to remind why i wont' get my hopes up for the wild card.
Hamels vs Pedro tonight and I am going to be there bitches.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 14, 2006, 04:59:30 PM
Hamels vs Pedro tonight and I am going to be their bitch.
Right.
I guess we'll know the identity in advance of the guy who we'll see on TV running out to give Burrell a man-hug.
Utley knocks in Rollins from second, 1-0 bums.
Rowand finally makes himself useful and gets hit by a pitch with the bases loaded.
Pedro ain't got it tonight, folks.
He can't throw the fastball and he's walking guys. Now he beans Rowand to force in a run.
Cole Hamels should put a fastball right in Delgado's ribs next time too. Teach the bitch how to hold onto the bat.
Pedro balks in a run now.
Fans giving him the Peeeeeeeeeeeedro chant.
And he hits Coste now!
Holy shtein...I've never seen him like this.
Pedro is a vagina.
pedro = meltdown
Ha. You just got owned by Abraham Nunez.
Baberaham Nunez with the double that Beltran allows to go by him and the bases clear!
But Nunez is out at 3rd.
6-0 Phils.
Go eff yourself, Pedro/
6-0 bums in the first. Nunez just hit a bases loaded hit to center that got past Beltran that cleared the bases.
If this isn't Pedro's worst outing as a pro so far I don't know what is.
Baberaham = legitimate LOL.
:yay
Krukker was in the booth with Harry & L.A.
Good stuff.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 14, 2006, 07:51:47 PM
Baberaham = legitimate LOL.
:yay
That's what the guys on PhilaPhans call him. I like it too. :-D
Krukker is probably my all time favorite Phillie. Him and Ricky Jordan
My favorite Phillie when I was a kid was Jerry Martin. Why, you ask?
Well, my number in little league and then Babe Ruth was #25 just like Jerry Martin.
Dellucci HRs 7-0
Hamels is looking sharp. Just blew away Beltran & Delgado and then got David Wright to ground out weakly 3rd to 1st.
Jerry Martin? Wasn't he the guy who always replaced The Bull in LF except for that fateful Black Friday game?
Now 9-0.
Eat it, New Yawk.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2006, 08:23:04 PM
Eat it, New Yawk.
Aren't they like a dozen games ahead of the Phillies? Just checking...
Fifteen.
Get it straight, motherfarger.
:-D
@ Phreak... yep, that was him. He was the 4th outfielder until the Phillies traded him in the Manny Trillo deal.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 14, 2006, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2006, 08:23:04 PM
Eat it, New Yawk.
Aren't they like a dozen games ahead of the Phillies? Just checking...
Minor detail. Nothing big.
Chris Wheeler should really be beaten to death with a tire iron.
Fixed.
Why put a qualifier on it?
12-0 Phillies.
Rollins just hit a bomb to left-center.
:-D
Jimmy Rollins hits a 3R HR.
12-0 now
Rollins' HR is his 18th, a Phillies record for a SS.
Like I said - he doesn't need to be a leadoff guy. Put him lower in the order. even John Kruk said today on DNL that if he hist lower he'd be a solid RBI guy.
Victorino HR
13-0
Haha.
13-0. Victorino smokes one to left.
:-D :-D
When Shane Victorino homers, the opposing team should all stangle themselves.
When Victorino, Rollins & Nunez have a combined eight runs batted in after five innings played, we should start gazing skyward for signs of the impending apocalypse.
Hamels at 64 pitches through 6 IP. 0 walks and only 3 hits.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2006, 08:59:51 PM
Hamels at 64 pitches through 6 IP. 0 walks and only 3 hits.
Sounds like a good time to get the pen some work.
He's still in. But I think I heard the PC wrong. I think it was 84 at that point.
Its the 8th now and he's still snapping off beautiful curves and changes.
Hamels just completed the 8th. He has 9 K's at this point and only 4 hits.
113 pitches, 85 strikes.
Unfriggen real.
He made the Mets look ridiculous out there. What's weird is, he got most of the nine strikeouts (5) in the last two innings. Just a dominating performance.
13-0 final. Hamels with 9Ks and 0 walks.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 14, 2006, 08:06:37 PM
My favorite Phillie when I was a kid was Jerry Martin. Why, you ask?
Well, my number in little league and then Babe Ruth was #25 just like Jerry Martin.
Jerry Martin? Dang, you're old, gram'pa.
Other than Schmitty, mine was probably Bob Boone. Us catchers have to stick together. ;D
In Hamels' past three starts, he's pitched as follows:
21 Innings Pitched
12 Hits Allowed
2 Earned Runs Allowed
27 K's
3 BB's
He's thrown 302 pitches and 203 of them for strikes.
He's also seen his ERA drop from 5.71 on July 29th to 4.5 after tonight.
That's sick, fellas.
I can't wait for him to Duckworth all over you guys.
This was kind of enjoyable to watch. Hmmmm.
I hate phillies fans. Actually I hate people in general.
A stupid whore near me was eating popcorn when Rollins homerun landed a row or two away from me. The stupid bitch throws the entire thing of popcorn in the air.
Boo people, hooray mass extinction.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 14, 2006, 10:44:53 PM
Boo people, hooray mass extinction.
Now THAT I can agree with.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 14, 2006, 10:44:53 PM
I hate phillies fans. Actually I hate people in general.
A stupid whore near me was eating popcorn when Rollins homerun landed a row or two away from me. The stupid bitch throws the entire thing of popcorn in the air.
Boo people, hooray mass extinction.
its your fault for going
I probably wouldnt have if I didnt know that Pedro and Hamels werer pitching. It was a good game.
What the hell happened to Pedro tonight? Did the Phils take the field wearing Yankees uniforms?
Were you mad that Pat didn't play, bro? :D
Hamels has indeed been terrific. Too bad Gavin Floyd can't be like that too.
He is 0/17 against Pedro, so no. :poison
Hmmmm...
According to the Phils MB Flash is having an MRI because of shoulder inflammation. Jeff Cooper has been quietly working on this with Tom.
And they knew this and let him pitch? Christ.
Arthur Rhodes is the closer in the meantime.
Yay.
Retards.
Fabio Castro>>>>>>>Madson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>condom stuck on gum stuck on my shoe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rhodes
QuotePhillies Notes
There is a reason for closer Tom Gordon's recent struggles: right shoulder inflammation.
Gordon, who has a 6.75 ERA since the all-star break and a 6.27 ERA since June 19, will undergo an MRI exam today.
"Sometimes you get pigheaded," he said. "It's actually been there for a couple months. I don't think that it's anything to be worried about, but it's good to have a good frame of mind about it."
Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said he thinks a few days of rest might be all Gordon needs. Gordon said he would wait for the MRI exam results to know for sure.
While Gordon is unavailable, Manuel indicated that lefthander Arthur Rhodes would fulfill the closer duties.
J-Rollin'
Jimmy Rollins has hit .400 (24 for 60) with six homers and 16 RBIs this month. He is hitting .300 (82 for 273) since May. His .342 on-base percentage is just six points lower than his career high set in 2004.
Disgusting (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/15275990.htm)
QuoteHoward: Letter writer threatened to put him in a wheelchair
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
Talk about focus.
In the last 3 ½ weeks, Ryan Howard, a National League All-Star who won the Home Run Derby, has hit .360 with 10 homers and 28 RBI. In his first full season with the Phillies, he leads the league with 41 homers and 106 RBI, and he is making an MVP run.
Howard has been this good with a morbid threat hanging over him.
Howard yesterday confirmed that, about 4 weeks ago, he was made aware of a letter to him whose sender threatened to shoot him and cripple him.
"He said he wouldn't kill me; he'd put me in a wheelchair," Howard said.
The letter, according to Howard, was postmarked Scranton, where Howard starred as recently as last season for the Phillies' Triple A team. Howard said the sender was a Mets fan who opined that Mets third baseman and Derby finalist David Wright deserved to win instead of Howard.
"It didn't bother me," Howard said. "If he's writing letters like that, that dude's got bigger problems than me."
Sources indicated that the Phillies forwarded the letter to Philadelphia police, who, with other law-enforcement agencies, are investigating the matter, as is the security force from Major League Baseball. The law-enforcement agencies were expected to act on the suspect as soon as last night.
Howard, 26, said he never had received anything this threatening. He is the reigning NL Rookie of the Year after playing 88 games last season.
Howard said the letter had no racial overtones.
He also said he was not aware of any heightened security measures in response to the letter; he isn't being walked to his car, for instance.
Phillies security personnel declined to say whether extra security had been assigned to Howard.
His teammates and coaches know about the letter, as do many of the top executives in the organization.
The Phillies declined to comment about the matter.
What the farg? >:(
Where does EagleFeva live again?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 15, 2006, 04:01:27 AM
Where does EagleFeva live again?
Just outside of Scranton. Why do you ask?
me bagging hamels three weeks ago was the fantasy baseball trade of the year
wow...i saw 3 new pages and figured the phils got blasted or Burrell struck out in the clutch, instead im amazed at Pedro going all Kerry Collins and Hamels figuring it out. I know the mets have alot less to play for but this cant make they feel confident.
QuoteMartinez hit another batter to reload the bases and light-hitting Abraham Nunez lined a double that got past center fielder Carlos Beltran, scoring all three runners for a 6-0 lead.
Ha! Well said, ESPN.
Harry made the point last night that Nunez has raised his average over 30 points since becoming the regular 3B.
Wheels then excitedly jumped in and added that he's played "spectacular" 3B during that time as well.
I died a little after hearing that.
:'(
He's the future. If you want to call it a future.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
I couldn't believe they were pimping that loser and then it dawned on me...
It's a mixture of rage and apathy at this point.
Randy Miller says the Phils want to upgrade the offense at 3B but they don't see anything available worth getting. They don't want Aaron Boone or Joe Randa...
all that retard randy miller did was listen to amaro jr being interviewed on Sportstalk 950 yesterday afternoon.
I find it utterly impossible believe that they want to upgrade anything.
Somehow they're still drawing 35-40K at the Bank and they've lowered their payroll expenditures by tens of millions.
That's all they give a shtein about. Keep 'em flowing through the turnstiles and buying those Phanatic dolls!
in their defense the market for c and 3b this year...the two positions they really need to upgrade at....if brutally thin
and probably will be this offseason too, there's a chance that Amaris Ramierez will opt out of his contract. he'd automatically become the top 3b free agent and that's not good.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2006, 11:48:22 AM
in their defense the market for c and 3b this year...the two positions they really need to upgrade at....if brutally thin
Garciaparra will also be available. He was listed as the top potential free agent 3B on some site I looked up.
Good God...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 15, 2006, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2006, 11:48:22 AM
in their defense the market for c and 3b this year...the two positions they really need to upgrade at....if brutally thin
Garciaparra will also be available. He was listed as the top potential free agent 3B on some site I looked up.
Good God...
the good thing being we'd have a 1997 ROY playing 3B again
Ha!
Wait. How can someone write a hate letter that threatens Howard and not even make on racist comment. Kinda wasting your chance, if you ask me.
after two batters in the first inning it has become apparent that we suck again
Utley just made an incredible play to get the double play.
Wow.
Victorino goes yard to deep right. 2 games in a row. 1-1
Victorino with another homerun. :-D
Dellucci with a 3 run shot to right. 4-1.
6-1 as Victorino knocks in 2 on a triple. Ha. Ha.
Bums up 6-1 in the 2nd. Victorino knocked 2 guys in with a triple.
rollins is up to .281...what a run he is on
Randy Wolf should be batting leadoff.
Don't get sucked in by their tricks, people. Remember, they are still masquerading as a real MLB team.
As bad as they are, do the Reds or Rockies seem any better?
I've never said that they have zero chance to make the playoffs, but I just think it hardly matters when the team is obviously not good enough to win a best-of-7 series against any decent team.
As bad as they are, do the Reds or Rockies seem any better?
haha here we go.....
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 15, 2006, 09:23:20 PM
I've never said that they have zero chance to make the playoffs, but I just think it hardly matters when the team is obviously not good enough to win a best-of-7 series against any decent team.
I'd be thrilled to death if they just made it there and got swept. You wouldn't hear a word from me. There's finally some decent young talent on this team to build around.
Damn, Reyes just hit his 3rd dinger. At least he picked a good game to do it.
Phillies 11
Jose Reyes 4.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 15, 2006, 09:23:20 PM
I've never said that they have zero chance to make the playoffs, but I just think it hardly matters when the team is obviously not good enough to win a best-of-7 series against any decent team.
Good thing there are no decent teams in the National league.
I see a brush-back coming Reyes' way tomorrow night.
:-D
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 15, 2006, 09:30:41 PM
Good thing there are no decent teams in the National league.
Oh, goody! You're saying they could wait until the WS to get creamed? Fantastic!
Just what Philly needs is another team getting there, but blowing the championship.
If we play the Yankees we'll win because they have more chokers than we do.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 15, 2006, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 15, 2006, 09:30:41 PM
Good thing there are no decent teams in the National league.
Oh, goody! You're saying they could wait until the WS to get creamed? Fantastic!
Just what Philly needs is another team getting there, but blowing the championship.
I am just pointing out that if the Phillies get in the playoffs they probably have as good of a shot as anyone to go to the World Series.
Besides, if we make the playoffs there is no way the owners can pocket the money they have saved from the trades, and I have been worried about that.
World. Series.
You're all retards.
The rest of the NL would much rather the Phils make it than the Astros.
Even without Pedro, the Mets are probably the favorites. It would make the chances of any team much more wide open, though.
That said, the Phils' playoff chances are slim. Lindsey Lohan slim.
Seven days without laughter makes one weak.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 15, 2006, 09:51:28 PM
Seven days without laughter makes one weak.
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Speaking of suicide...
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 15, 2006, 09:23:20 PM
I've never said that they have zero chance to make the playoffs, but I just think it hardly matters when the team is obviously not good enough to win a best-of-7 series against any decent team.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 03:19:33 PM
Go Phils. Do good; don't suck.
P.S. My prediction is that the Phils will win less than 85 games this year and miss the playoffs.
Just to point out the obvious, the Phillies are on pace to fulfill both of FF's predictions...
Jim Salisbury - Charlie Confronts Dallas (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/15282359.htm)
QuoteWhat Manuel lacked in promotional flair, he made up for in red-faced moxie last night when he confronted Dallas Green near the dugout about 90 minutes before the Phillies played the Mets at Citizens Bank Park.
The Phillies had just concluded batting practice when Manuel, the current and frequently criticized manager, wagged his index finger and gave the former manager a tongue-lashing.
Green has always been known for two things in Philadelphia:
Managing the 1980 Phillies to the only World Series championship in franchise history.
And his outspokenness.
Now an adviser to general manager Pat Gillick, Green criticized Manuel's job performance during a radio interview several weeks ago. It got back to Manuel, and people close to him say he has seethed about it ever since.
Sources say that Green was "slapped on the wrist" for criticizing Manuel and that his "punishment" included staying away from the field, clubhouse and dugout, not that Green was often seen in these areas.
Before last night's game, after the gates had opened to fans, Green made a rare trip to the field to show some friends around.
It was the first time he and Manuel had seen each other since Green's critical remarks.
Green craned his neck and tried to say hello to Manuel as the skipper walked from the batting cage to the dugout. Manuel, clearly simmering, motioned for Green to step his way.
The whole thing lasted about 60 seconds and Manuel, 62, appeared to do all the talking. At one point, he angrily jabbed his index finger in front of Green, still robust at age 72. Other than that, Manuel kept his cool while delivering his message.
Green, a noted hothead, did nothing. Had the confrontation occurred in private, it might have been a different story. When Manuel finished talking, Green walked away.
Green didn't run an end around when asked about the confrontation. He didn't try to say that he and Manuel were talking about the best places to go duck hunting.
"It wasn't very friendly," Green said. "That's his style. He's got some macho to him."
What did Manuel say?
"He said he doesn't like what I said, and he doesn't like me," Green said.
He shrugged.
"I don't give a [hoot]," he said. "He's entitled to say what he wants. I'm entitled to say what I want. He got some things off his chest."
In his office moments after the quick but pointed confrontation, Manuel was more tight-lipped than Green.
"It's like I always tell you guys, if I've got something to say, I'll say it," Manuel said. "I felt like I needed to say something and I did.
"The things he said bothered me. I felt like he didn't support me or my staff."
Manuel said Green left him a voice mail several days after the critical radio interview, but he scoffed at the timing of the phone call.
"He called me at 7:15, after the game had started one night," Manuel said dismissively. "This was the first time I saw him. That's all I want to say."
Manuel was told that Green actually complimented him moments after last night's dustup, but the manager wasn't interested in hearing it.
He had to get ready for a game, and a wild-card race that the Phillies didn't seem capable of being part of when Green slammed him several weeks ago.
"I don't remember saying anything derogatory," Green said. "I don't think it's a secret we played some lousy fundamental baseball early on. That seems to have corrected itself. Right now, the intensity is good, and the game-situation baseball is good. That's what I believe in.
"This race has kind of jumped up on all of us. It's so [messed] up, anything could happen. These guys have a great opportunity and they should be proud of that. They're playing with more passion. They like each other. That's a credit to Charlie. He's made it happen.
"You've got to give Charlie credit. He's righted his team, and that's what a manager has to do."
Last night's undercard between Manuel and Green came at a time when the future of both men has been debated. Green was inducted into the team's Wall of Fame last week, an overdue honor that has left some privately wondering if he would retire or not be retained as an adviser next year.
Manuel's status has been debated since his first day on the job.
"I think Charlie will be back," Green said. "I think Pat appreciates the job he's done keeping the team together."
And what about Green's future?
"That's up to Pat," he said.
A little fire from Charlie - i like it.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 15, 2006, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 15, 2006, 09:23:20 PM
I've never said that they have zero chance to make the playoffs, but I just think it hardly matters when the team is obviously not good enough to win a best-of-7 series against any decent team.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 03:19:33 PM
Go Phils. Do good; don't suck.
P.S. My prediction is that the Phils will win less than 85 games this year and miss the playoffs.
What's your point? I'm also predicting the Eagles to go 10-6 and possibly win a first-round playoff game, but that doesn't mean I'm saying anything better or worse is completely impossible.
You're reaching. My prediction is just that - an educated guess, and it looks damn accurate. But not once have I said that this team has no chance whatsoever of eeking into the playoffs.
And even if they do, they'll probably do it with less than 85 wins. So choke on it, douchebag.
Aaron Rowand's OPS this year, .739, is now lower than Bell's OPS on the Phillies, .742.
Oye vey why is he hitting in front of Coste?
OPS is overrated. Just ask Jimmy Rollins.
Nunez is up to a robust .189!
Sac fly makes it 4-0.
GameCast says 3-0.
(http://images.orgill.com/200x200/5161450.JPG)
Nevermind, Mathieson's on the hill tomorrow.
I suspect the Mets are letting the Phils win to allow a weaker team into the NL playoffs for them to beat. Thoughts?
So the Mets are assuming that the Phils would get past the first round now?
the mets just dont care....they have their eye on the prize...if the phils were within any kind of breathing distance it would be 3-0 the other way in the series right now
you saw what happened when the phils played the reds....cincy went two of three and moved on with the quickness
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 09:14:28 PM
So the Mets are assuming that the Phils would get past the first round now?
Wouldn't the Mets, having the best record in the NL, automatically play the wildcard team in the first round?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 16, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 09:14:28 PM
So the Mets are assuming that the Phils would get past the first round now?
Wouldn't the Mets, having the best record in the NL, automatically play the wildcard team in the first round?
That's what I thought.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 16, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 09:14:28 PM
So the Mets are assuming that the Phils would get past the first round now?
Wouldn't the Mets, having the best record in the NL, automatically play the wildcard team in the first round?
Teams in the same division cant play each other in the first round.
So, this is really a brilliant plan. Just to prove they are not as bad as they've been playing, they're going to put about 14 runs on Chris Mathieson tomorrow night.
Too bad the Phils will score 27 runs!!!!!!!
The Phillies do not have a Chris Mathieson. Christ. :-D
That Christy Mathieson was a great pitcher... :paranoid
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 09:21:57 PM
The Phillies do not have a Chris Mathieson. Christ. :-D
It'll make it that much harder to put up 14 runs on him then, now won't it?
I don't care what his first name is. He sucks.
He jumped two levels this year and is 23 you silly ass weasel.
23 isn't even that young anymore. Look how awesome Rick Ankiel was when he was 19.
Is Rick Ankiel available, btw? I think he's better than Steve Mathieson.
kill yourself
If Aaron Rowand < Doug Glanville, then Cameron Mathieson < Rick Ankiel. Fact.
Cameron Mathieson is hott.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 10:00:53 PM
Cameron Mathieson is hott.
He's probably a better pitcher than the Mathieson on the Phillies. Whatever his name is.
I loved Tim Mathieson in Animal House.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 16, 2006, 10:02:07 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 10:00:53 PM
Cameron Mathieson is hott.
He's probably a better pitcher than the Mathieson on the Phillies.
You would know.
That was actually witty. B-. Well done.
(For those of you that are slow, he was implying that I am the catcher. Get it? I'm gay! zeeOMG!)
isn't Rowand a FA after this year?
I would let Victorino take over the everyday CF job. he's as good a fielder as Rowand, with a better arm and better offensive potential. and he costs a lot less.
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 17, 2006, 09:41:28 AM
he costs a lot less.
That's all David Montgomery heard. He's sold.
i got johnny maine goin for my fantasy team today
lets go mets go
IGY's got Mets Feva.
ive made one of the great fantasy runs of my career in baseball this year...six weeks ago i was 34 games out of a playoff spot....now im 5
any score yet?
This might shock you, but Shooter Mathieson gave up 1 in the top of the 1st.
1-0 Mets.
2-0 Mets. Mathieson has thrown 36 pitches and has 1 out in the top of the 2nd.
3-0 heading into the bottom of the 2nd. This Trent Mathieson kid is super.
Burrell just struck out looking. Weird.
Muck the Fets.
Kyle Mathieson started out the 3rd by K'ing Beltran and then 0-2 on Delgado. Which was nice.
Until he then served up the HR to Delgado to put the Mets up 4-0... on that 0-2 count. Brilliant!
jumping two levels when you are not Cole Hamels=bad idea
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 17, 2006, 02:23:26 PM
jumping two levels when you are not Cole Hamels=bad idea
Yeah, I was just going to bring back up your "jumping two levels" comment, pointing out that it simply proves nothing whatsoever. But I see that you see that now.
It was nice how Howard hit a 2-run shot to cut the 4-0 lead in half to 4-2 with no outs in the 4th.
It was not so nice how Burrell kept the rally NOT going with a groundout. It was really not nice how Troy Mathieson gave up back-to-back shots to Beltran and Delgado to start the 5th. Rick White in the game now. YES!
6-2 Mets.
I was just pointing out that he is clearly not ready yet, when you said he sucks.
He will pull it together, if not this year, next year.
I hope.
I actually just looked it up to rub it in Lil Miss Sun Mo's face, incorrectly remembering him as the poster of it.
Big opportunity here in the bottom of the 6th. Maine should be tiring a bit, and Victorino, Utley, Howard due up.
Victorino is limping.
uh oh
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 17, 2006, 02:43:49 PM
Victorino is limping.
uh oh
Did he stay in the game?
Yea but he keeps grabbing his foot.
He looks ok now.
Burrell farging sucks.
they need to get rid of him and i mean from life
If Rowand goes with him then I am 100% for the move.
Burrell just K'd looking for the 2nd time in the game.
He's 0 for 4.
burrell = travesty
johnnie maine = $$$$
Burrell = albatross.
Let him go on phantom IR or something. I'd rather remove the temptation to play him than have him continually farg up the middle of the order.
In all fairness, Rowand was brought in as a PH and K'd on three pitches.
At least Burrell occasionally gets lucky and hits a homerun.
They both have sucked horribly since June.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 17, 2006, 03:43:47 PM
Burrell = albatross.
Let him go on phantom IR or something. I'd rather remove the temptation to play him than have him continually farg up the middle of the order.
A. There is no IR.
B. If Burrell thinks he can play, the players union would get involved and the Phillies would not win.
Let's try batting Burrell 9th behind the pitcher.
Lets try Burrell at pitcher
He has a nasty slider in bottlecap baseball.
Quote from: reese125 on August 17, 2006, 04:23:18 PM
Lets try Burrell at pitcher
mpmcgraw already has done that. Repeatedly.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 17, 2006, 03:43:47 PM
Burrell = albatross.
Let him go on phantom IR or something. I'd rather remove the temptation to play him than have him continually farg up the middle of the order.
DFA.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 17, 2006, 04:55:10 PM
Quote from: reese125 on August 17, 2006, 04:23:18 PM
Lets try Burrell at pitcher
mpmcgraw already has done that. Repeatedly.
Gay jokes are almost as humorous as Mom jokes. Almost.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 17, 2006, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 17, 2006, 03:43:47 PM
Burrell = albatross.
Let him go on phantom IR or something. I'd rather remove the temptation to play him than have him continually farg up the middle of the order.
DFA.
Designate for assassination?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 17, 2006, 06:43:33 PM
Gay jokes are almost as humorous as Mom jokes. Almost.
Off the nuts, please.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 17, 2006, 06:43:33 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 17, 2006, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 17, 2006, 03:43:47 PM
Burrell = albatross.
Let him go on phantom IR or something. I'd rather remove the temptation to play him than have him continually farg up the middle of the order.
DFA.
Designate for assassination?
Close enough. :yay
1. Matheison sucks
2. Burrell sucks
3. I got a citation for underage drinking, even though I wasn't actually drinking.
Quote from: MDS on August 17, 2006, 07:19:05 PM
3. I got a citation for underage drinking, even though I wasn't actually drinking.
Go to court. The cop never shows up.
Thats the plan. It was actually pretty funny. We were just standing around, eating burgers and talking (there were 2 guys over 21, some other guys under were drinking) and this lady shows up (undercover no less) and wips out her badge and starts demanding ID's. Me and another friend who didnt drink were arguing with them, and they responded with some attitude. This whole thing is just such a waste of time. They can't proove anything, its our word against theirs, and they probably wont show. So....it's just gonna result in a long day at the city courthouse and the judge being bored with his upteenth underage drinking citiation. Yay system!
Just mail a pipebomb to the courthouse.
... and be sure to leave a return address.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 17, 2006, 09:14:12 PM
Quote from: MDS on August 17, 2006, 07:19:05 PM
3. I got a citation for underage drinking, even though I wasn't actually drinking.
Go to court. The cop never shows up.
He's Jewish dude so I think it's safe to say he's got a few dozen lawyers in the family......all of which have already offered their services. But not for free.
No doubt. Yids represent.
You don't need a lawyer. The cop won't show anyway, and if she does, it's obvious she has nothing on you.
It's a good thing that all the rapists, murderers and child molesters in Philly have been caught. Now they can get down to preventing serious crimes like underage drinking!
farging idiots.
UNDERCOVER, none the less!
Not to mention, there were like 8 or 10 of them sorrounding us. But they caught the big bad guys, oh, those 19 year olds sure learned their lesson.
Brett Myers choked on it against the Nats tonight. Lieberthal went yard and drove in 3. Nats win 6-4.
Go team.
Myers and Matheison are giving this team no shot to win. Funny how they have been reasponsible for every loss since the Mets series (at Shea).
Myers is everything we could have hoped for.... ::)
yeah who is on the board that always says myers has turned the corner and is headed towards future acedom
That's unpossible, because he's already an ace.
We are assuming "ace" means woman-beating asstard, right?
He's an ace at throwing the knuckleball into his wife's face.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 19, 2006, 10:50:17 AM
He's an ace at throwing the knuckleball into his wife's face.
ha!
Holy shtein Howard just hit a bomb that hit the back of the visitors bullpen. Bums up 8-0.
They should see if they could "bank" some of these runs for a later game.
Rowand is a Hoyda. He should have clocked Ortiz in his big Hispanic nose.
The Phillies acquire Jamie Moyer for 2 prospects. WIP said it's on rotoworld and FSN West.
Good deal.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 19, 2006, 11:34:32 PM
The Phillies acquire Jamie Moyer for 2 prospects. WIP said it's on rotoworld and FSN West.
Hopefully not two good ones. Moyer is an old man.
False hope of making the playoffs = derail long range plans.
:boom
Moyer is older than dirt. He was still a pretty strong pitcher just a couple years ago but he's not doing much at all this year. Not sure what this move is all about. Are the Phils making this move in preperation for a playoff run? I hope they don't think a 43 year old pitcher is the answer.
It's Baldwin and Barb.
I've never heard of either of them, and I heard of Moyer so this trade is instantly a win.
______>mathesion
Baldwin and Barb couldn't even crack the top 30 prospect list of what many consider a bad farm system. For a 2-month rental, you can't really complain....
No problem at all with this trade. At first I was a little worried that they might've dealt some of the only good ones they have down there. But Baldwin and Barb isn't bad. Both are in A ball.
Moyer is a junkballing LHP who is better than Mathieson right now. I think Mathieson might be best suited for a closers role in the future. He loses gas after 4 innings. I'd put his ass in the BP right now and let him pitch outta there. He isn't a vadge like Floyd so it shouldn't kill his fragile psyche.
I liked Utley coming outta the dugout though. Him and Rowand should've killed Ortiz.
I like the deal. Moyer is better than Matheison. The two guys they sent in return will most likely not amount to much.
Moyer has been pretty crappy thus far in the second half, and has been bad outside of Safeco this year. But, he still can keep a team in the game (alls im lookin for is 3 or 4 runs in 6 innings), which is more than we can say for Matheison. Worth a shot, considering who they gave up.
One bad thing is he came from St. Joe's. An awful, awful school.
This move is stupid. Whatever they have to pay Moyer for the rest of this season is money they should have put away to spend next season. I don't care about the prospects. I just care about the cheap-ass owners.
Moyer is another ex-Seattle re-tread that Gillick is trying to make his own. Sure, he's not as awful a pitcher as Ryan Franklin, but the move just makes zero sense. This team's whole focus should be to realistically win a World Series as soon as possible. And it ain't possible this year.
QuoteMoyer will replace rookie right-hander Scott Mathieson, who has struggled since the Phillies called him up from Double-A Reading. Mathieson is 1-4 with a 7.23 ERA in eight games. He didn't reach the fifth inning in four of his seven starts.
Meanwhile, Moyer has pitched at least six innings in 20 of his 25 starts. He had the second-lowest run support in the majors at 3.5 runs per game, and the Mariners didn't score a run while he was in the game in four of his last nine outings.
no problem at all with this.
They HAD to get Mathieson out of the rotation and there had to be a replacement.,
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 20, 2006, 06:59:46 AM
This move is stupid. Whatever they have to pay Moyer for the rest of this season is money they should have put away to spend next season. I don't care about the prospects. I just care about the cheap-ass owners.
I don't know how much, but the Mariners did send the Phils some money in the deal as well, which I hope would be put towards the remaining amount owed to Moyer for this year.
I don't hate this trade but I'm not in love with it either. Sure, the Phils gave up practically nothing for him but I guess what pisses me off is that a few weeks ago the Phils seemed ready to tank the rest of the season even though we weren't that far out of the WC and now they appear to be trying to make a run at it.
Jamie Moyer is a solid, professional, Major League starter. Mathieson is not.
Moyer's presence as a veteran pitcher with playoff experience does nothing but help the team down the stretch. I think it's an excellent move by the Phillies.
As for last night's game, I loved how they jumped all over Ortiz. Hamels was impressive again and the second inning was nice. I also loved how the team reacted when Rowand got hit. Big surprise that it was Utley who stormed out of the dugout. :-D
I actually thought he was going to charge the mound after he got plunked.
Oh, yeah... Howard's blast was awesome.
the phils are trying to buy a wildcard spot.
Quote from: hunt on August 20, 2006, 10:55:57 AM
the phils are trying to buy a wildcard spot.
Yeah, but at Wal-Mart, rather than at Macy's. :-\
Actually, at wal-mart they have these :)
The Phils will pay about $900K of Moyer's $5.5M salary, according to Randy Miller....
Today's game....7-1 Phils in the 3rd inning :yay
Randy Miller article on the farm system pitching prospects (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-08202006-700269.html)
Names and grades (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-08202006-700275.html)
^^^ Randy Miller sure is optimistic. :-D
Baberaham hit a three run dinger. 10-1 Phillies.
As he went back to the dugout the entire team gave him the silent treatment for a couple of seconds before jumping up and giving him high fives. :-D
Abe Nunez just jacked a 3R Homer. Yikes, are the Nationals bad.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a positional prospects article...
Bourn
Ruiz
Costanzo
Golson
Henry
Marson
Cardenas
Wolf gives up three in the 6th. 10-5 Phils. :paranoid
White in. 10-6.... :paranoid
The tying run is at the plate.
Unfargingbelievable.
::)
10-7 Phillies.
And of course, NO ONE is up in the bullpen.
:-D
Madson time. Great.
10-8.....and the inning finally ends 31 minutes later....
Tooo...much....Wheels....and....Graham....
Graham is fine. Wheeler, on the other hand... :boom
Great baserunning there by Burrell. He gets doubled off second after a pop-up to center is caught by Marlon Anderson. It was a nice catch by Anderson but Burrell was standing 10 feet from second and still got doubled up.
Bases loaded, none out bottom of the 7th, Victorino up... :deion
11-8 Phils, 2 out and they just walked Howard intentionally to load the bases.
If that bitch Burrell can do anything here, the Phillies just might get some breathing room and pull this one out.
Useless. Utterly farging useless.
:-D
11-10 Phillies :-D
12-10 Phillies.
Phillies had bases loaded with none out in the 7th and 8th innings and only managed two sacrifice flies out of that.
Clutch, baby... CLUTCH!
Rhodes with the save. 12-10 final.
Had it all along. :paranoid
10-1
They were winning that game 10 to fricken 1. ???
Eh - a win's a win, though. :-\
Jeez. On the bright side, were about the pass Arizona and San Diego. World Series here we come.
Reading these posts was high comedy, especially knowing the end result.
Somehow the Nationals managed to withstand the Phillies's trying to hand them over the game.
Jamie Moyer = WORLD SERIES, BABY! :deion
Of course, the Phils have just as good a chance of any other NL team of being the sacrifical lamb to whatever AL team ends up going to the Series, provided they make the playoffs.
The Phils do NOT have as good a chance as any other NL team. They're not even THAT good.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 20, 2006, 06:01:49 PM
The Phils do NOT have as good a chance as any other NL team. They're not even THAT good.
They have as good a chance of any NL team. The Mets just lost not just their number 1, but also their number 2 pitcher. The Cardinals have been one of the worst teams in baseball since the all-star break, and were even swept by the Fightins. The Dodgers have been red hot, but will they stay that way? Them and the rest of the NL West are around .500, just like the Phils.
Winning the National League pennant is a phyrric victory this season. That team will be annihilated by whatever team wins the ALCS. The Phils have as good a chance of any, provided they make the playoffs. Not because the Phils are that good. Because the NL is that mediocre- just like the Phils.
Mets - Pedro - Glavine = Phils win the East. Book it.
Happy Trees, indeed. :-D
:-D
They have as good a chance of any NL team
no they dont....they have less a chance than the two teams ahead of them in the wild card race...much less the three division winners
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2006, 06:35:08 PM
They have as good a chance of any NL team
no they dont....they have less a chance than the two teams ahead of them in the wild card race...much less the three division winners
Based on what?
Look at who they have to play the rest of the season, IGY. Most of the games they have left to play are against teams with losing records.
When Gordon returns, they won't have any significant injuries to speak of and they have five solid starting pitchers.
They're destroying the ball offensively as well. They can get real healthy down the stretch and win a ton of games. Once they do that and get to the playoffs, then all bets are off.
I don't expect them to do it because I'm a cynical prick but to say they have less of a shot than any of the other teams is simply incorrect on your part.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2006, 06:35:08 PM
They have as good a chance of any NL team
no they dont....they have less a chance than the two teams ahead of them in the wild card race...much less the three division winners
Reading is fundamental, IGY:
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 20, 2006, 06:17:54 PM
They have as good a chance of any NL team. The Mets just lost not just their number 1, but also their number 2 pitcher. The Cardinals have been one of the worst teams in baseball since the all-star break, and were even swept by the Fightins. The Dodgers have been red hot, but will they stay that way? Them and the rest of the NL West are around .500, just like the Phils.
Winning the National League pennant is a phyrric victory this season. That team will be annihilated by whatever team wins the ALCS. The Phils have as good a chance of any, provided they make the playoffs. Not because the Phils are that good. Because the NL is that mediocre- just like the Phils.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2006, 07:31:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2006, 06:35:08 PM
They have as good a chance of any NL team
no they dont....they have less a chance than the two teams ahead of them in the wild card race...much less the three division winners
Based on what?
Based on math. They have to play better than 3 teams ahead of them to even make the playoffs. They have to additionally fend off the 2 or 3 teams that are right behind them in the wild card standings. Therefore, the mathmatical chances of them making the playoffs, let alone accomplishing anything if they do make it in, are minimal.
Plus they're the Phillies and they suck hind tit.
How the farg would you know? You're not even a baseball fan, rjs.
Try watching a game once in a while and then get back to me.
Dumb ass.
;D
No one here saw Match Point, yet everyone had an opinion on it. What's the difference with rjs and baseball?
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 20, 2006, 08:02:13 PM
No one here saw Match Point, yet everyone had an opinion on it. What's the difference with rjs and baseball?
That was the most ridiculous moment on this board in a long time.
I happen to believe that the Phils will make the playoffs and promptly get bitch slapped right back out again.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 17, 2006, 04:55:10 PM
Quote from: reese125 on August 17, 2006, 04:23:18 PM
Lets try Burrell at pitcher
mpmcgraw already has done that. Repeatedly.
meh that was ok
Quote from: MDS on August 20, 2006, 02:30:52 AM
One bad thing is he came from St. Joe's. An awful, awful school.
St. Joe's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Temple
that isnt saying much though
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 20, 2006, 08:02:13 PM
No one here saw Match Point, yet everyone had an opinion on it. What's the difference with rjs and baseball?
None really. If the object of this forum is simply to talk shtein without any basis of fact, then there's no difference at all.
That said...
He's wrong about the Phillies having no shot mathematically. The Phillies are 2 1/2 games behind Cincinnati and 1/2 game behind San Diego & Arizona with 39 games to play. It's not like they're 10 games out of a wildcard spot.
They have just as good a shot to make the playoffs as anyone else, especially if they continue playing the kind of baseball they've been playing lately.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2006, 08:20:27 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 20, 2006, 08:02:13 PM
No one here saw Match Point, yet everyone had an opinion on it. What's the difference with rjs and baseball?
None really. If the object of this forum is simply to talk shtein without any basis of fact, then there's no difference at all.
That said...
He's wrong about the Phillies having no shot mathematically. The Phillies are 2 1/2 games behind Cincinnati and 1/2 game behind San Diego & Arizona with 39 games to play. It's not like they're 10 games out of a wildcard spot.
They have just as good a shot to make the playoffs as anyone else, especially if they continue playing the kind of baseball they've been playing lately.
Dog... it was a joke.
I that is incredibly accurate couldn't give 2 shteins about what rjs thinks on anything... much less the Phils.
Liar. You hang on every word that he posts.
I forgot to mention that I finally watched 30 minutes of "Match Point". I hate you all for even insinuating in any way that it was worth watching, and those of you who told me not to are teh win.
Awful movie.
P.S.
Quote from: NGM on August 20, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 20, 2006, 08:02:13 PM
No one here saw Match Point, yet everyone had an opinion on it. What's the difference with rjs and baseball?
That was the most ridiculous moment on this board in a long time.
No, you even thinking that's anything close to ridiculous is even more ridiculous than that initial moment.
"Match Point" sucks more than the Kansas City Royals.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 20, 2006, 08:34:11 PM
"Match Point" sucks more than the Kansas City Royals.
Even though I haven't seen the movie and I haven't seen the Royals play in like 20 years or so, I completely agree with you.
Based on what?
the standings
WILDCARD STANDINGS AFTER GAMES OF 8/20/06
=========================================
Cincinnati 64-60 .516 ---
Arizona 62-62 .500 2.0
San Diego 62-62 .500 2.0
PHILLIES 61-62 .496 2.5
Colorado 59-65 .476 5.0
Houston 59-65 .476 5.0
Milwaukee 59-65 .476 5.0
San Francisco 59-65 .476 5.0
Atlanta 58-65 .472 5.5
Florida 57-66 .463 6.5
THIS WEEK'S SCHEDULE
====================
Reds: 3 vs HOU, 4 at SF
D'Backs: 3 at SF, 3 vs LAD
Padres: 3 vs LAD, 3 at COL
PHILLIES: 4 at CHC, 3 at NYM
Rockies: 3 at MIL, 3 vs SD
Astros: 3 at CIN, 4 at PIT
Brewers: 3 vs COL, 4 at FLA
Giants: 3 vs AZ, 4 vs CIN
Braves: 3 vs PIT, 3 vs WSH
Marlins: 3 vs WSH, 4 vs MIL
yup, season's over
i cant wait to laugh at all yous at the end of the year when the phils fall short again
you deserve whatever you get
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2006, 07:31:47 PMLook at who they have to play the rest of the season, IGY. Most of the games they have left to play are against teams with losing records.
After next weekend at New York......ZERO games against the Mets, Cardinals, Reds and NL West.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2006, 09:22:23 PM
Based on what?
the standings
Yep. The Phillies clearly have no hope considering they play exactly 1 team the rest of the way with a winning record.
Brilliant!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2006, 09:28:29 PM
i cant wait to laugh at all yous at the end of the year when the phils fall short again
you deserve whatever you get
Pathetic.
To make room for Moyer, Mathieson was sent down to SWB
The Cubs suck. The Mets have no pitching. I'm scared.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2006, 07:50:38 PM
How the farg would you know? You're not even a baseball fan, rjs.
Try watching a game once in a while and then get back to me.
Dumb ass.
;D
Don't wink at me. Just because I hate baseball doesn't mean I don't know too much about it. And if there's one thing I know it's that the Phillies won't make the playoffs this year. Get used to it.
First of all, I didn't wink at you, you flag. That's a grin, not a wink. Get your smilies straight. :-D
Second, the team is 2.5 games out of a wildcard spot with 39 games to play. You might have a feeling or you might be judging their chances on past history but suggesting that they're going to fail based on mathematics (scheduling, games to make up before then, etc.) is farging stupid, rjs.
Mathematically, they have 39 games to make up 3 and they're going to be playing against teams who are either horrendous or about the same record-wise as they are.
Regardless, I'm going to enjoy watching the next month and a half of the season. Hopefully the Phillies will pull a rabbit out of their asses and make the playoffs. After 13 years of futility, even that small accomplishment would be welcomed.
If they were pnly competing against ONE team for the wild card spot you would have a point. Barely. But instead they effectively have to outplay FIVE other teams that are within a few games of them in either direction. And they have to do that without the luxury of quality pitching. So sure, mathmatically it's possible. But it isn't likely and EVERY team ahead of them in the standings has a BETTER shot of making the playoffs, MATHEMATICALLY. It's a fact.
PS- Smilies are the opposite of hetero.
Mathematically, Matheshmatically. The Phillies have Jamie Moyer now and he's really old. Which means they're going to the playoffs. I think.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2006, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2006, 09:22:23 PM
Based on what?
the standings
Yep. The Phillies clearly have no hope considering they play exactly 1 team the rest of the way with a winning record.
Brilliant!
this post would mean something if the phils had a winning record...
No, it still wouldn't mean anything.
Quote from: Wingspan on August 20, 2006, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 20, 2006, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 20, 2006, 09:22:23 PM
Based on what?
the standings
Yep. The Phillies clearly have no hope considering they play exactly 1 team the rest of the way with a winning record.
Brilliant!
this post would mean something if the phils had a winning record...
And your post would mean something if the team they're chasing wasn't 2.5 games ahead of them even with that losing record.
2.5 games out with 39 to play.
I know math was never my strong suit but I'm fairly certain that a team can make up two and a half games with 39 left to play, especially considering the teams they're playing are inferior to those the teams they're chasing will be playing.
I'd rather read 20 pages of FF and Romey punning than this redundant bullshtein.
I believe the Reds only play one team with a winning record as well. Many of the other teams in the Wild Card hunt only play two winning teams. Since virtually the entire National League has a losing record, it's not a remarkable fact that the Phils only have to play one winning team, nor is it a big advantage over the other teams in the league.
Frankly the whole league sucks dick other than the Mets.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 12:14:08 AM
I'd rather read 20 pages of FF and Romey punning than this redundant bullshtein.
I would rather not think about 20 pages of puns.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 12:14:08 AM
I'd rather read 20 pages of FF and Romey punning than this redundant bullshtein.
2.5 games out with 39 to play.
I know math was never my strong suit but I'm fairly certain that a team can make up two and a half games with 39 left to play, especially considering the teams they're playing are inferior to those the teams they're chasing will be playing.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 21, 2006, 12:19:05 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 12:14:08 AM
I'd rather read 20 pages of FF and Romey punning than this redundant bullshtein.
I would rather not think about 20 pages of puns.
The recent windstorm through the trees was an absolute debarkle.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2006, 12:23:14 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 12:14:08 AM
I'd rather read 20 pages of FF and Romey punning than this redundant bullshtein.
2.5 games out with 39 to play.
I know math was never my strong suit but I'm fairly certain that a team can make up two and a half games with 39 left to play, especially considering the teams they're playing are inferior to those the teams they're chasing will be playing.
how many times are you gonna paste that?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2006, 12:23:14 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 12:14:08 AM
I'd rather read 20 pages of FF and Romey punning than this redundant bullshtein.
2.5 games out with 39 to play.
I know math was never my strong suit but I'm fairly certain that a team can make up two and a half games with 39 left to play, especially considering the teams they're playing are inferior to those the teams they're chasing will be playing.
uh I was with you, but th anks you made me feel important after you pasted your response to someone else as your response to me.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 21, 2006, 12:14:34 AM
I believe the Reds only play one team with a winning record as well. Many of the other teams in the Wild Card hunt only play two winning teams. Since virtually the entire National League has a losing record, it's not a remarkable fact that the Phils only have to play one winning team, nor is it a big advantage over the other teams in the league.
Frankly the whole league sucks dick other than the Mets.
This is true, but FWIW, since there's 4 winning teams (NYM, STL, LAD, CIN) and 2 .500 teams (AZ, SD), here's how many games are left with those 6 teams:
Reds = 9 (3 vs Dodgers, 6 vs Padres)
Diamondbacks = 20 (4 vs Cardinals, 6 vs Dodgers, 10 vs Padres)
Padres = 26 (3 vs Cardinals, 7 vs Dodgers, 10 vs Diamondbacks, 6 vs Reds)
PHILLIES = 3 (3 vs Mets)
Rockies = 18 (3 vs Mets, 6 vs Dodgers, 3 vs Diamondbacks, 6 vs Padres)
Astros = 16 (3 vs Mets, 7 vs Cardinals, 6 vs Reds)
Brewers = 10 (7 vs Cardinals, 3 vs Dodgers)
Giants = 22 (3 vs Cardinals, 3 vs Dodgers, 7 vs Reds, 6 vs Diamondbacks, 3 vs Padres)
So the Phillies don't have any advantages to playing a winning team 3 times out of 39 compared to the Padres playing 26 of their remaining 38?
Quote from: Wingspan on August 21, 2006, 12:26:19 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2006, 12:23:14 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 12:14:08 AM
I'd rather read 20 pages of FF and Romey punning than this redundant bullshtein.
2.5 games out with 39 to play.
I know math was never my strong suit but I'm fairly certain that a team can make up two and a half games with 39 left to play, especially considering the teams they're playing are inferior to those the teams they're chasing will be playing.
how many times are you gonna paste that?
Never again. I promise.
:-D
When I got out of my truck to go into work Babe Nunez had just made it 10-1.
A few hours later I call down to another Phils fan and ask him what the final score was (he ha a radio on his block) and he says "12-10". I was like you mean 12-1, right? No. 12-10.
Unbelievable.
At least they won.
Utley=MVP
Michael Barkann has brought the fact that Burrell was the first one out of the dugout after Utley ran out a few nights ago, and Burrell was right behind Utley the whole time.
Give my boy credit phreak he is showing some emotion. ;)
That was farging great.
Burrell scored on a groundball to the infield and destroyed Blanco at the plate. Another run scored because of Burrell.
:yay
Rollins just hit a two run homerun.
4-0 Phils.
Someone needs to get Rollins a B-12 shot and a bigger bat. He should talk to Tejada.
Utley hit a dinger to dead center field.
5-0 Phils
Burrell quickly grew some balls. Wow.
Holy shtein Burrell just made an incredible diving play.
Reds put a 4 spot in the 8th and beat Houston 4-3. I'm still scared of Houston, so this isn't too bad.
Burrell hits a double to deep RF that turned into an RBI single for Nunez.
Man, if Gillick can fix one of the ginormous holes at 3b or CF we are going to the World Series. Yea I said it.
If I had a penny for everytime Harry and Wheels talked over each other.......
Rowand sure is a stupid son of a bitch. I obviously dont like to see him get hurt but Utley was calling all the way. I hope the dude is ok.
Christ.
Rowand looks hurt bad.
This is not good. Our bench is already worse than most in AAA.
This is where Gillick needs to come through.
Rowand needs to pay attention, next time he won't die.
cute Rhodes..real cute
just gave up a 2-run shot in 9th
6-5 phils
man on 1st now
hold on to win 6-5.
Dont look now, but the Phillies are .500.
Back to .500
It's always an event when they play. Always.
Padres and Diamondbacks are losing. The Phils could be 2nd in the wildcard race after tonight :yay
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I wonder how long Rowand will be out.
Sucks for him, but the production out of CF should improve now.
Hopefully Gillick can pick up a RH outfielder.
Gordon to the DL, retroactive to the last time he pitched (about 10 days ago)
Do I detect a Clay Condry call up?
1. It is nice to see that Pat seems to be taking to his sex change operation well. He's grown some balls. Now let's see if he can keep it up. I would bet that he'll inevitably strike out looking while throwing his bat arm up high and jamming his ass towards the 3B coach with the bases loaded soon.
2. For anyone to say that Rowand is at fault for that allow me to say this...and it is basic baseball. Even Tom Emansky's Baseball Drills teaches this.
The player running in from the OF has veto power on the call. If an INF hears an OF call him off he better give way.
Yeah, you gotta let Rowand catch the ball and throw it into the trash can at home plate.
as good a hitter as utley is hes that clueless in the field....not surprising that he wouldnt back off there
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2006, 04:08:31 AM
The player running in from the OF has veto power on the call. If an INF hears an OF call him off he better give way.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 08:15:27 AM
as good a hitter as utley is hes that clueless in the field....not surprising that he wouldnt back off there
From ESPN.com's recap of the game (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260821116):
QuoteRowand said he hit a hole in the outfield while running and didn't see Utley until it was too late.
So, Rowand DIDN'T call off Utley because he didn't see him, and Utley played the ball because he didn't get called off. It's Rowand's fault in this case, even if you hate the way Utley plays 2nd.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 11:46:22 PM
I wonder how long Rowand will be out.
Sucks for him, but the production out of CF should improve now.
Hopefully Gillick can pick up a RH outfielder.
Per Paul Hagan in the Daily News, Rowand broke his ankle and will be out for 5 weeks.
good job chase
how do you land on your head and break your ankle?
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 22, 2006, 09:39:01 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 11:46:22 PM
I wonder how long Rowand will be out.
Sucks for him, but the production out of CF should improve now.
Hopefully Gillick can pick up a RH outfielder.
Per Paul Hagan in the Daily News, Rowand broke his ankle and will be out for 5 weeks.
shtein... it looked like he broke his neck.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on August 22, 2006, 09:39:01 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 21, 2006, 11:46:22 PM
I wonder how long Rowand will be out.
Sucks for him, but the production out of CF should improve now.
Hopefully Gillick can pick up a RH outfielder.
Per Paul Hagan in the Daily News, Rowand broke his ankle and will be out for 5 weeks.
Shyte! That really sucks.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 22, 2006, 09:54:20 AM
how do you land on your head and break your ankle?
He stepped in a hole, his legs collided with Chase, and he rolled over his ankles when he landed. 3 possible spots where it could have happened...
There is a difference between baseball fundamentals and common sense. Utley had the ball in his glove for a good three steps before they collided meaning 9/10 times Rowand does not make that catch.
This isn't such a bad thing. Victorino/Burrell/Dellucci is probably our best OF alignment.
Agree. Frankly, I'd like to see them re-sign Dellucci. But they won't.
My problem is that they are really hurting for bench. Roberson is really just a runner/fielder. Are they actually going to bring Bourn back up? Yikes.
The Phillies are cursed.
There's simply no two ways about it.
The Mitch Williams curse!
Well we should be be better off as long as we never have to use a pinch hitter.
Michael Bourn has played pretty well for SWB, FF.
He's hitting .283 at the moment with 15 stolen bases, 7 triples, etc. They could do worse.
That's what Randy Wolf's for. Can we trade the Cards for Jason Marquis also? Is Eric Milton available?!??!?!??!!?
theres nothing good and everything bad about having pat burrell in your lineup on a daily basis
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 12:33:11 PM
theres nothing good and everything bad about having pat burrell in your lineup on a daily basis
But 3rd strikes love getting stared blankely at.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 22, 2006, 12:17:45 PM
Well we should be be better off as long as we never have to use a pinch hitter.
Your hate for Rowand is approaching stalker status. I think the Phils should start checking his mail before it gets to him and maybe he even should hire security to sit outside his house.
How can you say by losing him they are better off?!?!
I thought the 'as long as we never have to use a pinch hitter' part would tip ya off phreak.
Our best bench player is now whichever catcher did not start that day.
I know. That's sad.
I believe Arthur Rhodes even said in the paper the other day that if they are going to do something to win they need to get some bench help.
They have 9 days to do it. Because you have to have guys on your roster by 31 August if you want 'em on the playoff roster.
Go get Marlon Anderson from WAS. He's terrible in the field but he can PH well.
Were not better off, but this isn't killer. They played fine without Rowand the first time, they can do it again. What Gillick needs to do now is get a better 4th OF than Roberson.
Maybe the Mets will give us Endy Chavez back!
Quote from: MDS on August 22, 2006, 12:50:54 PM
get a better 4th OF than Roberson.
Impossible. Roberson's the bestest.
They played fine without Rowand the first time, they can do it again
pretty sure they played well below .500 when he was out...didnt they lose like six in a row at one point?
Roberson blows. I think Danny Sandoval is better.
Know what I find hilarious?
The same clowns who used to blast Bobby A for not going into a wall like to blast Rowand for playing like he does. I heard call after call on the radio yesterday night saying "Rowand should be more careful".
Idiots.
I cant really fault him for tripping.
If I could, I would, trust me.
Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Burrell
Dellucci
Lieberthal/Coste
Baberaham
World. Series.
That lineup actually looks pretty damn good.
Then you can start creaming your pants over this bench:
Roberson
Sandoval
Lieberthal/Coste
? (Bourn)
And this bullpen:
Rhodes
Geary
Fultz
Madson
White
Sanches
Castro
? (Condry)
And this rotation:
Hamels
Wolf
Lieber
Moyer
Myers
Hopefully Gordon is back in a few days and Gillick picks up an outfielder.
O boy.
Rick White is probably the best pitcher ever to wear a Phillies uni. Why isn't he closing?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2006, 01:13:23 PM
Know what I find hilarious?
The same clowns who used to blast Bobby A for not going into a wall like to blast Rowand for playing like he does. I heard call after call on the radio yesterday night saying "Rowand should be more careful".
Idiots.
Apparently it's alright for Utley to get his uniform dirty but when he and another player collide going after a ball, it's the other player's fault for dirtying that uniform.
How about this: Both players were charging after the ball and a collision happened. It's no one's fault. shtein like this happens. I'd rather both players go balls out on the field than play like candy asses.
agree. its called hustle--when bobby learns that he might be a golden glove again
It's both of their faults. They play a game that requires zero physical contact and then when there randomly is some contact it's big news and one of them ends up on the IL. Fruity mens, the lot of them.
Rowand & Utley are clearly out of shape. Neither one of them are athletes. That's why they got hurt running into each other at high speed.
any collision will make the espn highlight reel and when your starter gets hurt, of course it news.
and by no means that it means they are out of shape...but im sure that was sarcasim off your fingertips
if utley was a DH like he should be the collision would have never happened
Utley is an above average defensive second baseman.
Both his range factor and zone rating are pretty good.
Both his range factor and zone rating are pretty good.
haha
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 22, 2006, 03:03:49 PM
Utley is an above average defensive second baseman.
Both his range factor and zone rating are pretty good.
I don't know, but he's roughly average. He's not a "butcher" as some have said.
im playing about utley...hes not a butcher but hes def below average....i was laughing at that nerd dropping 'range factor' and 'zone rating'....hilarious
your telling me thats not how you judge baseball players?
You know nothing about baseball do you?
How many other secondbasemen do you see on a daily basis? If you dont watch any other football games besides the eagles you probably dont watch any other baseball either. How would you know what is average? You dont.
I could dig up another sabrmetrics type defensive stat, but it had Bell as one of the top defensive third basemen in the league so I dont think you would like it.
Quote from: reese125 on August 22, 2006, 03:21:30 PM
your telling me thats not how you judge baseball players?
Actually stats
are the best way to judge baseball players.
i know nothing about baseball because I dont have a picture of a Phillies player as my avatar...stop yourself
I never understand what you are trying to say.
Yo hablo ingles.
really dig deep guy, and think what that means...if you cant get it...ask one of the mods for help
billy bean would know what you meant
I never said you didnt know anything about baseball, I thought it was obvious that I was talking to IGY given the context.
I have trouble understanding people who type like a 9 year old.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 03:32:02 PM
billy bean would know what you meant
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Billy Bean goes both ways?
Sweet.
Joe Thurston and Michael Bourn have been recalled from SWB and the Olympic team respectively, and Sandoval is starting for Utley tonight...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 22, 2006, 05:13:42 PM
Joe Thurston and Michael Bourn have been recalled from SWB and the Olympic team respectively, and Sandoval is starting for Utley tonight...
World. Se...
Oh, nevermind.
Apparently the Royals and Phillies are in trade discussions for a trade involving Reggie Sanders.
Not a bad idea. He is basically having an identical season to Rowand this year, and Sanders usually gets hot this time of year.
link?
WFAN is reporting it apparently.
But someone just told me the real ken rosenthal said that the Phillies are not interested in Sanders or Conine because they are due money next year.
Christ.
We just got Jose Hernandez for cash via Sporstnite.
ROROROR
I feel bad for Danny Sandoval (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2557956)
hes in for utley tonight
He's also 2-2
Digger Phelps in attendance to watch his son-in-law pitch...
It should be noted that Victorino's leading off and Rollins is hitting 3rd tonight.
Victorino - CF
Sandoval - 2B
Rollins - SS
Howard - 1B
Burrell - LF
Lieberthal - C
Dellucci - RF
Nunez - 3B
Moyer - P
3-0 Phils in the top of the 5th. Moyer has 1 BB, 3 K's, and thus far... no hits.
It should also be noted that Moyer is tossing a no-no.
Ha!
Nice job jinx.
Boo you and your miserable attitude!
I rule.
It's still a shutout as of RIGHT NOW.
HAHAHAHAHA. Not anymore. Juan Pierre with the clutch base hit to make it 3-2.
This is panning out nicely.
Phils get one back on Burrell's RBI double.
Solid outing for Moyer. Phils up 6-3 going to the bottom of the 8th.
Hernandez strikes out every other at bat and has all of 2 home runs this year. Yipee.
moyer...son of...
Bums win 6-3
Moyer gets the W
Madson with the S
Psst. The Cubs are terrible.
Psst...so are the Phils...but were still rooting
Jamie Moyer's wife is kinda hot. And Digger Phelps is a tool.
Did someone push his bed around the bases as he was taking a nap?
Digger Phelps is indeed a tool. Someone should color his face with one of those goddamn highlighters of his and then cram it up his ass.
Jose Hernandez? Meh. But better than Danny Sandoval or Joe Thurston.
Nice job by Jamie Moyer tonight.
for heads out of the area and not with the mlb package the game tonight is on wgn
I didn't feel like watching the game on the computer last night and I thought for sure that the game would be on WGN.
No dice.
BTW: What's with all the night games at Wrigley? :paranoid
Souderton representin'
Not a good start
Rollins and Victorino get on with no outs and they load 'em up and get no runs.
Myers looks erratic. He was bailed out by Lieby gunning down Pierre.
Brett is dealin'.
1-0 Phils in the Top of the 7th.
1-1 going into the bottom of the 9th. Meh.
Red-hot Jimmy Rollins gives the Phils the lead. Arthur Rhodes time, brought to you by Maalox.
Wow, I gave no credit to Babearaham Nunez. I figured him for an out.
Nice comeback.
Charlie comes out to get Arthur Rhodes after he gets Pierre.
Geary needs to get Aramis Ramirez out.
Game Over.
1.5 out.
Amazing.
PUT ANOTHER ONE IN THE WIN COLUMN FOR THE PHIGHTIN' PHILLIES!!y
P.S. Now that Myers is back on track, which starter goes into the shteinter to keep the balance?
I'm banking on Lieber.
What's even better is that they are quickly catching St Louis and LA. I'm starting to really think they have a good chance for the postseason. :paranoid
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 23, 2006, 10:55:40 PM
I'm starting to really think they have a good chance for the postseason. :paranoid
think about what team this is and what city they play in, then re-think your position
It's always sunny in Philadelphia, I've heard.
Great matchup tomorrow: Hamels vs Zambrano
Lefties have hit Zambrano pretty well this year too. OPS over .860 .
World. Series.
P.S. Now that Myers is back on track, which starter goes into the shteinter to keep the balance?
myers
hell have ani=other good start or two then implode for a while like he always does
What's even better is that they are quickly catching St Louis and LA.
that isnt good....it gets more teams involved...what you wanted was for the divison leaders to run away from everyone leaving the phils to fight with a couple teams for the wild card
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2006, 11:15:51 PM
It's always sunny in Philadelphia, I've heard.
Danny DeVito's got amazing shtein.
The Phils lineup today has 8 lefties, with Coste being the only righty. Joe Thurston is starting in LF.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 24, 2006, 01:48:36 PM
The Phils lineup today has 8 lefties, with Coste being the only righty. Joe Thurston is starting in LF.
Yet, somehow, some way, they'll win. Might have something to do with Hammels.
Why is Thurston playing LF while Dellucci is still out of position in RF? Manuel is dumb.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 24, 2006, 01:48:36 PM
The Phils lineup today has 8 lefties, with Coste being the only righty. Joe Thurston is starting in LF.
I guess Manuel did his homework on Zambrano. Manager of the year!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 24, 2006, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 24, 2006, 01:48:36 PM
The Phils lineup today has 8 lefties, with Coste being the only righty. Joe Thurston is starting in LF.
Yet, somehow, some way, they'll win. Might have something to do with Hammels.
Insert foot in mouth here X
4-1 Cubs after 1 :-\
Thurston just gunned down Pierre with a perfect throw to the plate. Pierre had a tremendous jump and with his speed it looked like a gimme he was gonna be safe. Not so....
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2006, 10:44:32 PM
Now that Myers is back on track, which starter goes into the shteinter to keep the balance?
I'm banking on Lieber.
I guess I was wrong. The correct answer is Cole Hamels. Thanks for playing.
hamels is royally farging my fantasy playoff run right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 18, 2006, 12:08:59 AM
mathieson has better stuff than hamels
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2006, 08:00:03 AM
me bagging hamels three weeks ago was the fantasy baseball trade of the year
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2006, 03:13:48 PM
hamels is royally farging my fantasy playoff run right now
You just can't seem to decide how you feel about him, eh?
i mean today he is....overall he has done me right...in fact the minute hamels and rollins started ballin is when i started making my run
but i cant have any slip ups as i have to make up three games by a week from sunday
11-2 final. ah well...can't win 'em all
Mets this weekend
FRI = Wolf vs El Duque
SAT = Lieber vs Brian Bannister
SUN = Moyer vs Maine
L, W, L
johnny maine OWNS the phils and i got him on my team as well
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2006, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 24, 2006, 04:47:07 PM
L, W, L
W, L, L
W, W, W
Wrong.
L, L, L
the phils nice little run ended with todays massacre
losses in at least two of three vs the mets and i wouldnt be surprised at all if they lost two of three at wash as well
So basically I should expect the phillies to take at least two of three from the next two series.
book the mets series
the wash series is 50/50...the phils are due to lose some games but the nats have absolutely tanked on the season...two opposing forces and it could go either way
The Mets are due to lose some games too. They have been hotter than us lately, I think there is a good chance we take that series.
except the mets are actually a good team and should and have won lots of games...the phils are a .500 team if they are lucky and should not be winning as much as they have...hence they are due to drop back below .500 about now
El Duque has been scratched from tomorrow's start.
Wolf vs Bannister
Lieber vs Oliver Perez
Moyer vs Maine
umm this is off the top of my head, but I am pretty sure Oliver Perez owns us.
Quote from: C cups Charlie on August 24, 2006, 10:11:55 PM
umm this is off the top of my head, but I am pretty sure Oliver Perez owns us.
2006: 0-1, 9.82 ERA
2005: DNP
2004: 1-1, 1.34 ERA
CAREER: 1-1, 3.70 ERA
Quote from: C cups Charlie on August 24, 2006, 10:11:55 PM
umm this is off the top of my head, but I am pretty sure Oliver Perez owns us.
this year he is 0-1 with 9.82 ERA in one start against the Phillies
farging Geo
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 24, 2006, 10:10:36 PM
El Duque has been scratched from tomorrow's start.
Wolf vs Bannister
Lieber vs Oliver Perez
Moyer vs Maine
I like the Phils chance with that pitching lineup.
Phils interested in Conine (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/24/AR2006082401933.html)
QuotePhillies Are Interested In Conine
By Jorge Arangure Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 25, 2006; Page E08
BALTIMORE, Aug. 24 -- The Baltimore Orioles and Philadelphia Phillies have had several conversations this week about a possible swap for first baseman-outfielder Jeff Conine, according to a baseball source who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
The teams have spoken at least twice, the source said. The only obstacle to a deal is Conine's vesting option for next season, which will kick in when he reaches 450 plate appearances. The Phillies are wary of taking on Conine's contract next season, worth $2 million. Conine has 420 plate appearances.
The Phillies, once thought to be in a rebuilding mode after trading outfielder Bobby Abreu and pitcher Cory Lidle, are 2 1/2 games back in the NL wild-card race. Conine likely would become an outfielder with the Phillies, who have all-star Ryan Howard at first base. Conine, 40, is hitting .265 with eight home runs.
He's only due $2M. After saving so much this year spend the stinkin' money and get him in here. I can somewhat understand the reluctance to take on Reggie Sanders' $5M, but there should be no reason this does not get done.
It'd be nice to see a guy who used to stick a shiv in the Phillies necks help them for once.
Can he still play OF at all?
Not that it matters - he'd be a PH more often than not.
He can't be worse than Pat in LF.
But you're right - his major purpose here would be to provide a RH bat with some pop off the bench.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2006, 10:58:59 AM
his major purpose here would be to provide a RH bat with some pop off the bench.
Why?!? Isn't that what Danny Sandoval is on the team for?!?!?!??!?!!?!?
What we could do is get him on Aug 31 and only use him enough time to make his PA number hit 449. That'll piss him off.
Wary of taking on $2M?
That's ridiculous.
The Phillies dont want to pay the $250,000 bonus Conine gets for being traded.
Is Montgomery Jewish?
Burrell is falling apart.
He isnt playing tonight either because of his wrist.
Joe Thurston in LF two games in a row. Huzzah!!
Howard crushes #45.
4-0 Phils.
Wow ump made a horrible call, a met bunted a ball with his body literally in front of the plate and Charlie came out and argued for a good 5 minutes and he got thrown out.
Manager.of.the.year.
Leave it to Mets fans to steal the Red Sox fans' Sweet Caroline tradition.
Losers.
Every flyball=homer for Mets fans. God do they suck.
Madson is going to be the closer.
Not really. It's closer by committee.
Rhodes - Geary - Madson.
Hell, where's Steve Bedrosian these days?
Madson gets the save striking out Jose Reyass on three pitches.
Minor heartattack. More to come.
This closer by comitee thing is actually working quite well.
You mean using bullpen pitches according the matchups, and not designating one guy for one praticular role and use him in that no matter of othercirumstances.
UR not high
I was watching the replay of the game and the Mets PBP guy was talking about how Howard strikes out a lot. Just as he finished, Howard crushed the home run.
Thanks doode.
:-D
Quote from: C cups Charlie on August 25, 2006, 09:28:19 PM
Leave it to Mets fans to steal the Red Sox fans' Sweet Caroline tradition.
Losers.
They also started the "T...O....TO TO TO...." thing with Jose Reyes. "JO...SE.....JOSE JOSE JOSE....". Lame.
Here's a stat someone mentioned over on the Phils board: Howard has more HRs since his HR derby win last month than Abreu has since his win last year... :-D
Cincinnati lost again, 4-1. Down to 1 game back... :yay
Jose Hernandez is starting in RF tonight...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2006, 06:51:29 PM
Cincinnati lost again, 4-1. Down to 1 game back... :yay
Jose Hernandez is starting in RF tonight... :yay ;D :poison :=) >:D ^-^ :yay
Fixed.
Ryan Howard is a god.
Ryan Howard grand slam after one of the dumbest at bats i've seen all year.
Bases Loaded, 2 out 0-2 count. See ya. I heart Ryan Howard.
Burrell stikes out looking. :-D
it's awesome he hit a slam, but really he was lucky that Perez hung that pitch, because Howard was swinging at whatever pitch was going to be thrown
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 26, 2006, 08:21:50 PM
it's awesome he hit a slam, but really he was lucky that Perez hung that pitch, because Howard was swinging at whatever pitch was going to be thrown
Negadelphian. :P
He did swing at 2 terrible pitches before that though.
i just hate stupid baseball, and they seem to be doing that tonight.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2006, 11:12:02 AM
I was watching the replay of the game and the Mets PBP guy was talking about how Howard strikes out a lot. Just as he finished, Howard crushed the home run.
Thanks doode.
:-D
Harry did the same thing tonight with Beltran. He was talking about how Carlos was one away from tying a career high in HRs and as soon as he finished Lieber hung a slider and it was gone.
and don't look now but the Mets have the bases loaded and 0 outs with the Phils hanging on to a slim 5-4 lead
Delgado sac fly.
Tied 5-5.
Runners on 2nd and 3rd for Davdi Wright
7-5 on the 2R double by Green.
Way to track down that fly ball, Burrell.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2006, 06:51:29 PM
Cincinnati lost again, 4-1. Down to 1 game back... :yay
Jose Hernandez is starting in RF tonight...
Ouch.
Jose just had one go off the tip of his glove.
now 9-5 Mets.
Goodnight. Hope to take 2/3 tomorrow.
Shea Stadium's sound system is annoying as shtein too. Loud enough?
Most things involved with the Mets are annoying.
Nice relieving, morons. :boom
The Phils just got Jeff Conine for a PTBNL
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 27, 2006, 05:13:50 PM
The Phils just got Jeff Conine for a PTBNL
How old is Conine now... 78?
Turned 40 a couple of months ago.
The Orioles gave the Phils $500K towards next years $2M option. No word on the PTBNL yet. Conine gets his usual #19 while Varsho switches to #30.
The Reds are losing at San Francisco again, and the Padres are losing at Colorado. Good news for the Phils. Too bad the Giants and Marlins are on our asses again....
In other Phils news, Lakewood clinched the 2nd half division title today and will play the 1st half winner, the Lexington Legends (the Houston affiliate that has Roger Clemens' son Koby)
1 game out as the Padres and Reds both lose.
Looks like the PTBNL is already on the 40-man roster and had to clear waivers, so it could be one of the following:
Brito
Condrey
Floyd
Justin Germano (the guy we got for Cormier)
Sanches
Angel Chavez (SWB SS)
Josh Kroeger (SWB OF)
Floyd
:paranoid
SWB is headed to the playoffs (hasn't clinched yet), but they'll take a hit no matter what...
Getting Conine is solid. He has farged this team so many times in the past while in FLA now he can help. But in true Philadelphia fashion he won't do shtein and he'll make a ton of erros and strike out a lot.
Giv 'em Josh Kroeger.
We better not give up Germano.
I think he is going to have a nice major league career.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2006, 08:45:24 PMGetting Conine is solid. He has farged this team so many times in the past while in FLA now he can help.
9/23/03 recap (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=230923128) >:(
According to the Baltimore Sun, it'll be Brito, Sanches or Chavez
No biggie. I'd prefer it to be Sanches though.
I thought I liked this trade until I realized we wouldnt need Conine if not for another retarded Gillick trade.
Quote from: C cups Charlie on August 27, 2006, 11:30:01 PM
I thought I liked this trade until I realized we wouldnt need Conine if not for another retarded Gillick trade.
Which one? Bobby A?
Yea. I still cant get over it.
Wow. Jamie Moyer, Jeff Conine and Jose Hernandez. A combined age of 111. Exactly what I had in mind.
Quote from: C cups Charlie on August 27, 2006, 11:51:14 PM
Yea. I still cant get over it.
I am a big Bobby A fan. But trading him was something I came to accept. I thought it might've been time to move on. Although I would've preferred to see your boy go first. My beef is that Gillick got SLOP in return for him.
I didnt have any problem moving Abreu either. Before the deadline, I was in favor of moving Abreu over Burrell becuase I thought he would actually bring something in return, but after that trade I would absolutely have rather dumped Burrell than Abreu.
They better not trade Eude.
Another meaningless HR for Burrell in another thrashing at the hands of the Mets. Go Phils.
at least they don't play another team with a winning record after today
Ryan Howard is beast. Boo Phils.
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 28, 2006, 02:27:11 PM
at least they don't play another team with a winning record after today
Plus, they now have Jeff Conine.
Chris Coste not throwing to 1st on Maine's bunt was the reason why that inning unfolded like it did.
And Angel Hernandez and his crew have been bad today. Not the reason the Phils are losing bad, but pretty bad.
yup. 415 ft to RF through the wind blowing in.
Washington matchups:
TUE = Myers vs Tony Armas
WED = Hamels vs Ramon Ortiz
THU = Wolf vs Pedro Astacio
2 out of 3 is a MUST
Nice of Jamie Moyer to show up today.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 28, 2006, 02:15:20 PM
Another meaningless HR for Burrell in another thrashing at the hands of the Mets. Go Phils.
The amazing thing is, Burrell is probably going to hit close to 30 homers and drive in 100 runs again this year. He stands at 24 & 80 at the moment.
did anyone really think they would win the series against the mets....theres a reason the mets have 15 more wins
at least they don't play another team with a winning record after today
yeah but they play florida 50 times who a) they dont play well against and b) are the hottest team in the majors right now
It's not amazing that he's doing it. It's amazing how often he does it in meaninglessly not-close games.
We need a Pat Burrell tracker.
we can track ryan howards meaningless HRs too.
Quote from: MDS on August 28, 2006, 03:28:37 PM
Nice of Jamie Moyer to show up today.
He was ok.
If Coste doesn't trying to nail Ed Wade's boy Fast Endy at 2B when Maine bunted then that inning doesn't blow up like it did.
Chavez singles
Maine bunts - safe at 1st on the throw to 2nd.
Reyes bunt single loads 'em up.
FC by LoDookie makes it 1-0
Delgado gets a seeing eye dribbler past Utley because they have Chase at DP depth and playing to pull 3-0
A buncha slop hits.
newsflash: the mets are a much better team
newsflash: Lisa doesn't like you.
lisa?
shhhhhhhhhhh. How's Pitt?
MDS already has gotten his hands on some of North Broad's finest blow.
Walk outta his dorm and score a rock!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 28, 2006, 04:14:40 PM
at least they don't play another team with a winning record after today
yeah but they play florida 50 times who a) they dont play well against and b) are the hottest team in the majors right now
The Phils are 14-6 in the last 20 matchups (6-3 this year) vs Florida, the Marlins are visiting St. Louis/Milwaukee this week, and the Marlins still have 7 games left with the Mets (and 3 with the Reds).
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2006, 05:32:27 PM
MDS already has gotten his hands on some of North Broad's finest blow.
Walk outta his dorm and score a rock!
he knows what im talkin bout. represent upper dublin!
Upper Dub!
Where the hell is that? :paranoid
Jewish community probably.
Has to be somewhere the cost of living isnt too much.
He knows what I'm talkin bout. Were facebook buddies.
This thread has unsurprisingly gone from bad to worse. Go Phils.
The Phillies are now only 1 back in the wild card. Wow.
the Marlins still have 7 games left with the Mets (and 3 with the Reds).
and 10 vs the phils
buster olney is reporting the phils could trade for wells today
why the farg would they do that
huh?
if thats vernon wells i am cool with that
if thats david wells it's retarded
HG kid.....recognize!!
no its david wells
dont know how to explain it...my boy called me and said he saw it on espn news this afternoon
maybe Pat Gillick is trying to set a record for left handed pitchers on a team?
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 29, 2006, 04:51:57 PM
maybe Pat Gillick is trying to set a record for 48-year-olds on a team?
Yes.
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 29, 2006, 04:51:57 PM
maybe Pat Gillick is trying to set a record for 35+ year old left handed pitchers on a team?
Get Randy Johnson and you're all set.
Farg FF.
that doesnt make any sense. go gillick.
Indeed.
hooray getting another player that was good ten years ago and is overpaid
Read as: trying to give the fans one last thing to root for before the horrible debacle that will be next season...
2-0 goin btm 3. Shhh, be quiet. Tonight is the night we ride.
Heard something interesting on the Nats broadcast.
Apparently Lieberthal is willing to:
1. Sign for significantly less next season, and
2. Be the backup catcher "if necessary."
Thoughts?
If they were talking about him playing for the Nats then I'm all for it.
Whoops, forgot to add that part:
Apparently, it's very important for Lieberthal to end his career with the Phils.
Then what's he still hanging around for? It's been over for like 5 years.
Jesus Christ Ryan Howard takes some super-steroids.
That one ties Schmidt for the club record - with a month to go in the season. :o
This guy is absolutely amazing.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 29, 2006, 09:11:20 PM
That one ties Schmidt for the club record - with a month to go in the season. :o
Schmidt is my all time favorite player and I'm happy and sad to know his record is about to not only fall, but get obliterated.
me too sarge, but atleast its from home grown and not some hacker we got from another team.
Quote from: mcnabbmvp on August 29, 2006, 10:28:03 PM
me too sarge, but atleast its from home grown and not some hacker we got from another team.
Yeah, I was kind of sweating that in Jim Thome's first year here because he was knocking them out of the park left and right. And I loved Thome but did not want to see him break that mark....especially not in his first year.
I suppose seeing Howard break this record will be easier to deal with in 10 years if he's still a Phillie.
schmidt is great i love him and he deserves all that hes gotten but ryan howard poops all over him and deserves the record...schmidt only held it cause the in team competition was horrible
aaron fultz is a loser
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 11:00:23 PM
schmidt is great i love him and he deserves all that hes gotten but ryan howard poops all over him and deserves the record...schmidt only held it cause the in team competition was horrible
:sly Thanks, Najeh.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2006, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 29, 2006, 09:11:20 PM
That one ties Schmidt for the club record - with a month to go in the season. :o
Schmidt is my all time favorite player and I'm happy and sad to know his record is about to not only fall, but get obliterated.
I'm in full agreement, Sarge. Schmidt was/is my favorite as well, and it's good to see that a home-grown talent, and seemingly a nice kid, is the one to get it.
And then, realizing that Schmidt set the record 26 years ago makes me feel damn old.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 29, 2006, 11:46:46 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 29, 2006, 11:00:23 PM
schmidt is great i love him and he deserves all that hes gotten but ryan howard poops all over him and deserves the record...schmidt only held it cause the in team competition was horrible
:sly Thanks, Najeh.
(http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5062/najeh1eu.gif)
Good win tonight. Too bad Fultz had to make it semi-interesting in the 9th.
Looks like were missing Oswalt, but getting Clemens and Pettitte for the Astros series. Good thing is, the first game is against Wandy Rodgriguez, so we have a great chance to finally beat them and not deal with a top pitcher.
Takes Ryan Franklin one pitch to end a 16-inning marathon. :-D
Reds lose. SD wins. Phillies .5 back.
Oh, and will the Marlins please stop winning? Thanks.
actually, the Phillies are tied if the Reds lost.
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 30, 2006, 07:16:21 AM
actually, the Phillies are tied if the Reds lost.
Actually, the Phillies are 1/2 game behind the Padres.
actually, you're a douche
From Elias sports bureau:
QuoteRyan Howard drove in three runs in the Phillies' win, raising his MLB-leading total to 125 RBI, including 38 during August. That's the most RBI by any player in any month since Jim Thome drove in 39 runs for the Indians in July 2001.
Is there any doubt that the Phillies will cheap out on him and lose him to free agency in a couple of years?
P.S. The "Baseball Tonight" crew says that Burrell is the key to the Phillies getting over the hump into the playoffs. Pat was actually clutch with that bases-loaded hit to give the Phils the 2-0 lead last night. Props.
I'd agree with that.
Pat has to give Howard protection. If he's doing what he normally does then teams will pitch around Howard. If Pat's hitting well they have to pitch to Howard.
that was a clutch hit by burrell last night...i almost spit up my beer when the ball landed
btw who was the last person to win ROY AND MVP in consecutive years
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2006, 11:55:14 AM
that was a clutch hit by burrell last night...i almost spit up my beer when the ball landed
especially since he had two strikes on him
The pitch must have been out of the strike zone. If it were a strike, he would have just stared at it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 30, 2006, 11:55:46 AM
btw who was the last person to win ROY AND MVP in consecutive years
Don't know. But I do know that Fred Lynn was the last (and only?) player to win both in the same season (1975)
What a pathetic league. The Phils suck balls for the first 4 months of the year, then decide to get their shtein together and magically by the end of the month are right there for the wild card. If they somehow make the playoffs with Abraham Nunez, Mike Lieberthal and that old fossil Jamie Moyer, the world will end. Go Phils.
Quote from: MDS on August 30, 2006, 01:09:46 PM
What a pathetic league. The Phils suck balls for the first 4 months of the year, then decide to get their shtein together and magically by the end of the month are right there for the wild card. If they somehow make the playoffs with Abraham Nunez, Mike Lieberthal and that old fossil Jamie Moyer, the world will end. Go Phils.
You love it.
You've got your Lieby jersey ready for the WC round.
Every Jewish Phillies fan has a Lieby jersey, right?
I'll be going a lot this month, hopefully. I can't believe I'm buying into this crap again.
5-1 Phils going into the bottom of the 9th.
Hamels had a great game...lets hope Rhodes doesn't farg it up.
Rhodes is rock solid with the save, only facing the minimum 3 batters.
Reds and Padres play each other again tonight, right?
I can't believe this team is actually right there in the playoff hunt again. It reflects poorly on the league in general.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 30, 2006, 09:32:43 PM
Rhodes is rock solid with the save, only facing the minimum 3 batters.
Reds and Padres play each other again tonight, right?
I can't believe this team is actually right there in the playoff hunt again. It reflects poorly on the league in general.
Thats why I don't get all this Girardi for Manager of the Year talk. Any other year and the Marlins would be so far out of the wildcard Girardi would have been canned by now. Randolph's team is the only one that has performed from start to finish.
People (ESPN radio) have even mentioned Cholly as MOY if the Phils win the WC.
Reds and Padres play each other again tonight, right?
sd beat arz
reds play later i believe
florida rolling again
Quote from: NGM on August 30, 2006, 09:36:57 PM
Thats why I don't get all this Girardi for Manager of the Year talk. Any other year and the Marlins would be so far out of the wildcard Girardi would have been canned by now. Randolph's team is the only one that has performed from start to finish.
People (ESPN radio) have even mentioned Cholly as MOY if the Phils win the WC.
You think a rookie manager would be fired in his first year as a manager and with a record amount of rookie players on his team?
Reds and Padres face each other this weekend
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 30, 2006, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: NGM on August 30, 2006, 09:36:57 PM
Thats why I don't get all this Girardi for Manager of the Year talk. Any other year and the Marlins would be so far out of the wildcard Girardi would have been canned by now. Randolph's team is the only one that has performed from start to finish.
People (ESPN radio) have even mentioned Cholly as MOY if the Phils win the WC.
You think a rookie manager would be fired in his first year as a manager and with a record amount of rookie players on his team?
He is the manager who told his owner to sit down and shut up during a game. Look it up, you are sure to find something on it if you care to.
Quote from: NGM on August 30, 2006, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 30, 2006, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: NGM on August 30, 2006, 09:36:57 PM
Thats why I don't get all this Girardi for Manager of the Year talk. Any other year and the Marlins would be so far out of the wildcard Girardi would have been canned by now. Randolph's team is the only one that has performed from start to finish.
People (ESPN radio) have even mentioned Cholly as MOY if the Phils win the WC.
You think a rookie manager would be fired in his first year as a manager and with a record amount of rookie players on his team?
He is the manager who told his owner to sit down and shut up during a game. Look it up, you are sure to find something on it if you care to.
That line threw me off. I thought you were implying he was doing a bad job with the group he has.
Willie Randolph is the NL Manager of the year, Jim Leyland the AL Manager of the year. These are facts, or should be.
I'd contest that a dead pigeon could have won the NL East with the Mets this year.
Looks like the Reds are about to get swept in LA. Florida and San Francisco lost, and San Diego is off on Thursday, so a sweep of Washington would leave us tied for the wildcard lead on September 1.
Another solid game tonight. Nice to see Colbert bounce back after getting trashed in Wrigley last time. Let's hope Randy Wolf keeps it going.
And Girardi is done. Loria is an idiot. Girardi will replace Dusty in Chicago and the rumor is that the Marlins next manager will be Braves 3B coach Fredi Gonzalez.
phillies next three games could be rained out
I will be very pissed off if tonight's game gets rained out.
I am really pumped up for this game.
WTG RYAN HOWARD!! :yay :yay :yay
Howard sets the record with a BOMB! :yay
Congrats to Ryan.
Ryan Howard. BEAST.
:yay
Ryan Howard does not suck.
MVP
That ball was farging crushed. It hit 5 or 6 rows up in CF. Jeez.
Pat Burrell clutch?
:paranoid
And Loserthals adds. Holla.
holy shtein...what a catch by Victorino...he might of saved the game
Rowand would not have made that catch. :=)
Quote from: reese125 on August 31, 2006, 08:58:03 PM
holy shtein...what a catch by Victorino...he might of saved the game
That was a nice one.
Just have to say: I am sick of the Nationals announcers. What I wouldn't give for some Harry the K.
is there any pitcher more hot and cold than madson...every other game he either goes three hitless or gives up four in 1/3
f-in Nunez--whats going on here
what the hell has happened to chase utley....he hittin like .240 for the last month and now is posting 0-5's vs the nats
weaksauce
Rhodes gassing the flames. :boom
Go Arthur. :paranoid
I'd rather see Ray Rhodes right about now :boom
he better not throw the heat to Soriano--walk his ass
C.mon Rhodes, challenge him you Hoyda! :paranoid
this is maddening
we are screwed if this goes extras
typical fashion
Werll, shtein. :boo
farg. you. arthur. rhodes.
unfarging believable. anyone who had a good feeling when this bottom half inning started is full of shtein.
Go team.
great inning there art :flipoff
FF, you mind if I borrow the can of gasoline an take it to Rhodes' house?
how do you give up all that garbage and then strike out zimmerman (thier hottest hitter) to end the inning
I'll bring the wooden cross, you supply the hoods.
Quote from: MDS on August 31, 2006, 10:05:32 PM
I'll bring the wooden cross, you supply the hoods.
I thought Jews loved black people! Amazing!
Wild pitch gives the Phils back the lead. :yay
Boy do the Nats suck.
Why aren't you at the game, IGY?
run abe run!!! Holy shtein!
World. Series.
Victorino looked horrible in that at-bat.
WTF Howard you're a DH.
I hate us. Can't ever make things easy eh?
and here we go.
Again.
the word "cute" comes to mind for this inning
What does Fabio Castro have to do to get real PT?
The Nats announcers were just talking about the Phillies fans:
Idiot 1: Did they come down for a course in booing 101?
Idiot 2: It's in their blood. They don't need a course.
@#(*&(@#(*&(*@#$&*& FULTZ! You suck!
I feel real confident with this bullpen in the post season.
Kentucky. Derby.
Fultz can blow me.
LA on the radio - deep breath "Oh boy".
Me across the Pacific - Oh farg!
Jesus H. Christ
Inventing new ways to not win the WC
Pa-farging-thetic.
wow. i was at the game tonight and left in the bottom of the 10th after we scored on the wild pitch and took the lead.
what the farg.
smuggled a flask of whiskey into the game.
at least i got to see howard break the phillie record.
wait, i missed it because i was getting a sausage sammich. the best part about rfk stadium. best sausage sammiches i've ever had.
If they decide to play any of the games this weekend:
FRI = Lieber vs Oscar Villarreal
SAT1 = Moyer vs Kyle Davies
SAT2 = Mathieson vs Lance Cormier
SUN = Myers vs Hudson
Labor Day is scheduled to be Hamels vs Clemens :yay
Quote from: phattymatty on August 31, 2006, 11:57:51 PM
at least i got to see howard break the phillie record.
wait, i missed it because i was getting a sausage sammich. the best part about rfk stadium. best sausage sammiches i've ever had.
A good rule of thumb when attending a Phillies game:
Don't get up for refreshments or to hit the head until right
after Howard's at the plate.
The phillies need to let Castro pitch. Fultz had nothing going into the game last night. His arm is tired, give the kid a chance other than in a blowout.
Fultz is shtein.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 31, 2006, 10:11:20 PM
Why aren't you at the game, IGY?
im on vacation out of town for the next ten days starting this afternoon and i had a ton o ish to do last night so i was only able to make the first two games....fortunately as i would have lost it had i been at that debacle last night
Official...tonight's game is postponed
The Phillies just got the sausage attacker for cash (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060901&content_id=1640134&vkey=pr_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi).
So...he can't play in the playoffs, when we don't make them.
he's just here to attack the tailgaiting green bay fans on 10/2
Maybe Lurie is fronting the cash to have Simon on hand for that October 8th game. >:D
Houston won :boo
Florida lost :yay
Cinci won :boo
Padres lost :yay
Even though Cinci played the Padres, all in all, a split day.
We avoid Oswalt for the Astros series a home, but get all 3 in Houston. Cinci comes in right after us and only gets Oswalt. Awsome.
Quote from: MDS on September 02, 2006, 01:02:28 AM
Houston won :boo
Even though Cinci played the Padres, all in all, a split day.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260901118
:-D
Must've been a moral victory for the 'Stros.
Would have been nice to tack on some runs there with the bases loaded...hope it doesn't come back to kill them.
3-2 Phils going to the top of the 9th.
I hope Arthur Rhodes gets carpet bombed.
Hilarious that you guys are holding your breath about this season...
Back to .500
WILD. CARD. RUNNERS-UP.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 02, 2006, 05:01:40 PM
I hope Arthur Rhodes gets carpet bombed.
isn't rhodes the one who blew the last game? then said " 'we' should've had that one, but 'we' can't let that get 'us' down".
i'm picturing things from the movie hostel that i wouldn't at all mind watching have done to him.
I want to quit. Or kill Arthur Rhodes. Either one.
Quote from: MDS on September 02, 2006, 05:27:44 PM
I want to quit. Or kill Arthur Rhodes. Either one.
Quit what?
Being a Phillies fan. There is no good reason why I give a shtein, but I do and I can't stop.
You should probably kill yourself. It's the only reasonable solution.
Quote from: MDS on April 02, 2006, 06:06:34 PM
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happy suicide watch season, everyone!
already covered, jerk.
Touche'.
14-3 Phils winning in the 6th.
Mathieson sprained his elbow after a batter. FF's boy Eude Brito took over.
Brito > Mathieson
QuoteFIELDING
DP: 1 (J Thurston-J Hernandez-C Coste).
The ol' 4-6-3
Howard's hit 2 more today. 51 for the year thus far.
He's good.
He's about the only one.
I wonder how many homers Schmidt would have hit if he got to play 82 games a year in CBP? Would it be unrealistic to add anywhere from 5-10 a year to his totals?
Factor in the steroids, juiced balls and watered-down talent....and I'd ballpark it at around 60.
I wasn't wondering about if Schmidt played today.......just wondering about the stadium he played in. ;)
Well yea, sure.
Anyone see Graham and Wheeler hawking McDonals coffee and such? GREAT stuff. :-D
3 in the game for Howard.
The Atlanta announcers (new ones - I could stand listening to them, unlike Skip Caray and company) were talking about not wanting to "wake Howard up" any more when Hudson buzzed him, and Howard followed with a blast. :-D
3 farging HRs today, are you kidding me?
This guy... whew.
Anyone know if/when the last time a player hit 3 homers off the same pitcher in a game? There can't be too many of them.
Todd Pratt!
Time to cough up the lead.
Only the Phillies...
Fidel Castro in to save it.
Fidel gives up a 3R opposite field shot to Matt Diaz. Isnt that the guy who killed them yesterday?
3rd game out of 4 that the Phillies have blown an 8th inning or late lead.
GODDAMN!
hahaha. this is beyond words. all i can do is chuckle.
Quote from: MDS on September 03, 2006, 03:35:55 PM
Time to cough up the lead.
I guess the Phillies took this as a personal challenge.
Coste just beat out a dribbler. He's gritty. And a gamer.
Thurston pinch running.
They need to put Randall Sausagewhacker up there so he can slap one off of Wickman
Babe bunts Thurston to 2nd.
Sausagewhacker gets a ton of sliders and walks.
runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out
JRoll up.
YES!!!!
Jimmy singles to LF and Thurston scores!
runners on 2nd and 3rd now with 1 out and Hawaii5-0 up.
I wonder if Billy Wags is worth 10 per right now.... :paranoid
When is Flash scheduled to come back?
J-ROLL! Tie game, that Happy Hawaiian coming to bat.
Ballgame, bitches.
Shane singles to RF!!!!!!!
Ruiz scores.
Phils win 8-7.
And the Happy Hawaiian comes through to win the game! :yay
Isn't there some @*@(*#&@*#&(*@#& way to get someone to close a game? This one should never have gotten to the bottom of the 9th.
Good to see some character come through. Who knew that Coste would be so valuable?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 03, 2006, 04:22:24 PM
I wonder if Billy Wags is worth 10 per right now.... :paranoid
When is Flash scheduled to come back?
J-ROLL! Tie game, that Happy Hawaiian coming to bat.
Just found the answer to my own question:
Gordon ready to return to closer's role after DL stint (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-phillies-gordon&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Blame that POS Madson
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 03, 2006, 04:46:13 PM
Blame that POS (interject just about any Phillie reliever not named Gordon here).
:boom
Howard is good but Victorino is gooder.
I wasn't remotley surpirsed that they blew it. I was pleasently surprised that they came back. Get out the brooms, they should have no problem in beating around Lance Cormier.
Quote from: MDS on September 03, 2006, 05:06:22 PM
Get out the brooms
They already lost the first game of the series.
maybe he means sweeping the double header.
Yea, the DH. Could mean the series if Arthur Rhodes wasn't such a piece of shtein.
1-1 bottom of the 10th
Phils need a win to stay .5 back of SD.
Thanks a lot, Carlos Ruiz.
As much as I want to believe in this team, it's shtein like this that kills it for me. Myers pitches an excellent game, Rick White is suberb in relief. Geary :boom. What a week we've had.
Geary has been taxed. Madson, Fultz and Rhodes suck, can't be used. Gordon isn't ready. White already used. What's left is Brian Sanches and Clay Condry. Yea, stellar bullpen.
Utley, Howard, Roberson (should be Dellucci as a PH), Conine....GET IT DONE, BUMS.
that was nice.
These guys suck.
After all that....1.5 out. Basically should have won the last 3 games they lost, which if they did, would lead the WC. farg.
Quote from: MDS on September 03, 2006, 05:06:22 PM
I wasn't remotley surpirsed that they blew it. I was pleasently surprised that they came back. Get out the brooms, they should have no problem in beating around Lance Cormier.
Good call.
Yea I know. The Jets sure made a magical Superbowl run last year, right?
Go ahead and cut off your nut with those rusty scissors right now. Don't wait to see if the taterskins win 10 game. Hack that useless thing off right now.
I'll even cut the other one off if Jake Plummer leads the Broncons to the superbowl.
Good. Then you won't pollute the Earth. Then again, its not like you're havin any sex nowadays either...
Oooooo, Billy Bob made a sex joke. Very witty. I see that excellent Texas education is paying dividends.
Thats right.
Quote from: MDS on September 04, 2006, 12:37:52 PM
Oooooo, Billy Bob made a sex joke. Very witty. I see that excellent Texas education is paying dividends.
Temple students shouldn't make fun of anyone else's educational background.
Huh..imagine that.
Pat Burrell strikes out LOOKING with 0 outs and the bases loaded.
Great job, Pat.
Piece of shtein.
Conine gets hit to force in a run.
1-0
Coste grounds into a DP.
The Phils get one whole run out of the bases loaded 0 outs situation. Great job.
Cole is fargin DEALING. :paranoid
Victorino has been playing great since Rowand went down.
I hope he is our starting centerfielder next year.
Utley just made a GREAT over the shoulder catch running down the RF foul line. It could've dropped. He put the meat cleaver down for a second and saved it from dropping.
Still dealing.
Clemens is out...lifted for a PH.
And the guy they PH just hit a HR to dead CF. A DEEP shot. His first ML HR.
The perfect game is done. FARG! >:(
Rowand would have caught that.
Holy shtein, Ryan Howard is a god.
Rick White calls Ryan Howard with the bullpen phone everytime he hits a homerun. :-D
Howard kills #53 off the Bud Lite sign in right. :o
Holy smoke is Howard hot. 10 HR in 13 games.
Just in time for my fantasy league playoffs. :yay
Cole gives up another bomb. This time to Aubrey Huff
2 runs on 2 hits both HRs
2-2 tie
Can't ever be easy.
This cant be happening.
Chase has really not been very good at all recently (sans the first Braves game).
Stupid Hoydas are walking Howard intentionally.
im predicting this move to walk Howard will bite them in the ass. Lets go Phils, enough of this crap and win it
I suck
I hate Manuel.
He can lick my freshly shaven ass.
And Utley can do whatever the farg he wants to my ass.
Ok I lied about Utley.
:yay
Nice game-winner by Utley- upper deck shot. Hopefully it breaks him out of this funk. The Phils need his bat badly down the stretch.
mpmcgraw, how telling is it that with Howard on in the bottom of the 9th, they pinch-hit for Burrell?
When they couldn't score in the 9th, I thought they were dead.
They'll stretch this out just long enough to give me cardiac arrest. :paranoid
Thurston was bunting. That tells me Burrell can not bunt.
I knew that already.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 04, 2006, 06:15:30 PM
Thurston was bunting. That tells me Burrell can not bunt.
I knew that already.
Then I have a second question:
If the Phils had Utley at first, would they have "pinch-bunted" for Howard?
they would of walked Howard again
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 04, 2006, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 04, 2006, 06:15:30 PM
Thurston was bunting. That tells me Burrell can not bunt.
I knew that already.
Then I have a second question:
If the Phils had Utley at first, would they have "pinch-bunted" for Howard?
Since when was Burrell as good as Howard?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 04, 2006, 06:47:01 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 04, 2006, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 04, 2006, 06:15:30 PM
Thurston was bunting. That tells me Burrell can not bunt.
I knew that already.
Then I have a second question:
If the Phils had Utley at first, would they have "pinch-bunted" for Howard?
Since when was Burrell as good as Howard?
Just a question. It seems to me that Manuel is pretty down on Burrell, who is supposed to be a good RBI guy, to not only pinch-hit for him, but to do so with the purpose of sacrificing him to second.
Maybe because Howard would have a hard time scoring on an extra base hit from first as evidenced by the Conine hit?
Howard needs 5 more HRs to tie Jimmie Foxx for the Philadelphia HR record (58 in 1932 for the A's)
If this team wants to do anything they need production out of the 5-hole. Burrell is getting some more time now suuposedly because Dellucci is slumping (which he is). So he better get it done. And striking out looking with 0 outs and the bases loaded ain't gettin' it done.
This offense right now is Rollins, Victorino and Howard. Hopefully Utley is on the verge of pulling out of that slump. With him struggling and Dellucci also not doing well they have nothing other than those 3 guys. Pat needs to step it up.
And why were you ripping Charlie?
I didnt pay attention to the game today and saw that Charlton Jimerson hit a HR in his first at bat. He is Preston Wilson Jr, only with more K's. Seriously, he's leading all MLB organizations (MLB, AAA, AA, A) in strikeouts this year (I think, not 100% sure.) He had 152 K in 448 AB last year. 183 K in 470 AB this year. It's a shame because he has so much talent, he's fast as hell and has an absolute cannon for an arm.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 04, 2006, 08:20:48 PM
If this team wants to do anything they need production out of the 5-hole. Burrell is getting some more time now suuposedly because Dellucci is slumping (which he is). So he better get it done. And striking out looking with 0 outs and the bases loaded ain't gettin' it done.
This offense right now is Rollins, Victorino and Howard. Hopefully Utley is on the verge of pulling out of that slump. With him struggling and Dellucci also not doing well they have nothing other than those 3 guys. Pat needs to step it up.
And why were you ripping Charlie?
Some people are saying that Burrell is hurt worse than the Phillies are letting on which blows regurgitated monkey fetus.
I was ripping charlie because he brought Joe farging Thurston in to pinch bunt for Burrell with farging Roberson sitting on the bench. Stupid stupid stupid.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 04, 2006, 07:02:15 PM
Maybe because Howard would have a hard time scoring on an extra base hit from first as evidenced by the Conine hit?
Other than the speedy guys (Rollins, etc.) who would have scored from first on that hit?
Definitely not Howard, definitely not Burrell. Heck, rather than pinch-hit for Burrell, pinch-run for Howard.
Stupid move? Probably, but you don't take out your 5th hole hitter for a bunt situation- if you have any confidence in your 5th hole hitter.
Quote from: Dillen37 on September 04, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
I didnt pay attention to the game today and saw that Charlton Jimerson hit a HR in his first at bat. He is Preston Wilson Jr, only with more K's. Seriously, he's leading all MLB organizations (MLB, AAA, AA, A) in strikeouts this year (I think, not 100% sure.) He had 152 K in 448 AB last year. 183 K in 470 AB this year. It's a shame because he has so much talent, he's fast as hell and has an absolute cannon for an arm.
He broke up Cole's perfect game. I hope the bastich goes on to strike out every time he steps to the plate now. :)
MP,
And? So what? Thurston can bunt too. He just didn't get it down. Just like Dellucci didn't hit a sac fly or even make contact and the same goes for Hernandez. When will the players be held accountable for their fargups? I swear that Chralie gets ripped for everything. He deserves it some times. But I crack up when he gets bashed for no reason other than the players being fargups.
Case in point - some fans on another MB were begging for Fidel Castro all year to get in some tough spots. Charlie was an icehole for not bringing him in. So after the terrible BP couldn't get anyone out in the ATL series he brings in Castro. And he gets smoked for a 3R HR. Then Charlie gets ripped because he brought Castro in with the bases loaded and didn't let him start the inning. Too much pressure on the kid, they said. Puhleeeze!
The point is that everything ain't Charlie's fault. But no one seems to realize that. It's all Uncle Chuckles' fault whenever a player shteins the bed.
Thurston can actually get a hit too though. IMO Roberson's usefulness is so limited that when an obvious situation comes up to use him, you do not waste a more talented player (IMO of course) especially when Roberson is probably better at bunting.
Roberson looks so overmatched every time he steps up to the plate, that I hate seeing him get any 'real' at bats in an important situation like he did today.
Wow. Crazy game. All in all, they got the win. Hopefully one good thing to come out of this is that Manuel no longer trusts Rhodes and Fultz. He used farging Fabio Castro yesterday, and Matt Smith today. Good for Chuckles.
Dellucci needs to wake the farg up. He's been terrible for the better part of two weeks. Conine appears to be fairly solid, and Burrell is total vagina, so we really Dellucci.
Chase Utley shows up for the first time in three weeks. Thanks, bro.
Fultz hasn't been used recently because he has a sore shoulder too. Rhodes hasn't been used because he sucks.
Fair enough.
QuoteKen Rosenthal / FOXSports.com
Posted: 6 hours ago
PHILADELPHIA - Only the most feared hitters would be walked intentionally to lead off the ninth inning of a tie game between two teams scrambling for a wild card.
This is where Ryan Howard stands as he bears down on Major League Baseball's first 60-homer season since 2001, looking more like the National League MVP with each passing day.
Howard, 26, is in his first season as a major-league regular, and the Astros on Monday treated him as if he were Barry Bonds in his prime.
The Phillies' Jeff Conine labeled the Astros' strategy "Bonds-esque." Astros manager Phil Garner said the comparison was indeed applicable.
Keep in mind that teams were scoring 40.2 percent of the time after leadoff walks entering Monday, 38.6 percent in the National League, according to STATS, Inc.
But no right-thinking manager is going to let Howard beat him in the late innings of a meaningful game in September. And by the ninth inning, Garner already had seen enough.
Howard, a left-handed hitter, had stunned the Astros in his previous at-bat by muscling a cut fastball from right-hander Russ Springer for his major-league leading 53rd home run.
Springer said he threw the 3-1 pitch where he wanted it, up and in. Howard couldn't even get his arms extended. Yet, he still had enough power to pull the ball over the right-field wall.
"We felt like we made a good pitch and he hammered it out of the ballpark," Garner said. "I wasn't going to let that happen again."
As it turned out, the Astros survived the ninth when right-hander Chad Qualls escaped a bases-loaded, one-out jam, stranding Howard at third.
But in the 10th, the Phillies' Chase Utley hit a two-out, walk-off homer off Astros right-hander Dave Borkowski, sparing Garner another decision with Howard waiting on deck.
Howard seemed unfazed by Garner's move, saying that while his preference is to compete, he's perfectly content to walk if it leads to the Phillies scoring more runs.
The Astros surely would have approached the situation differently if the Phillies had a more dangerous hitter protecting Howard, their cleanup man. But Pat Burrell, the Phillies' most frequently used No. 5 hitter of late, is not exactly Manny Ramirez to Howard's David Ortiz.
In fact, Burrell inspires such little confidence, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel removed him for pinch-hitter Joe Thurston after Howard's walk, intending for Thurston to bunt.
In any case, the Phillies' Jimmy Rollins contended that the Astros' decision to walk Howard merely reflected the game's significance, not the start of a Bonds-like trend.
"It takes years for that stuff to happen," Rollins said.
Perhaps, but Howard, in Utley's estimation, is "only getting better."
The Phillies traded outfielder Bobby Abreu on July 30, all but conceding their season. But thanks in large part to Howard, they're now within one game of the wild-card lead.
Howard had 41 RBIs in August, the most by a major leaguer in any month since July 1962, when Frank Howard had 41 for the Dodgers. So far in September, Howard is 10-for-16 with four homers and six RBIs.
Oh, he still strikes out a lot — his rate is the third-highest in the NL — but veteran Phillies marvel at his improving command of the strike zone.
"It doesn't matter what kind of pitcher is out there — he makes adjustments, backs you against the wall and puts you in a situation where you feel defeated," closer Tom Gordon says.
Howard is second in the NL to the Cardinals' Pujols in on-base/slugging percentage. He has improved dramatically against left-handed pitching this season. His numbers on the road are nearly as good as they are at hitter-friendly Citizens Bank Park.
And that's just the baseball part of it.
Howard is one of several articulate, engaging young stars at a time when the disagreeable Bonds is fading as the game's pre-eminent figure.
He's a rising African-American phenomenon at a time when the game is struggling to attract African-American fans and players.
And he's a slugger who is untainted by suspicion of performance-enhancing drug use at a time when the game is trying to emerge from the Steroid Era.
No one can state definitively that Howard or any other player is clean, not when players can still beat MLB's drug testing by using undetectable substances.
Likewise, no one can state definitively that a player is dirty unless he tests positive for a banned substance. And fans have shown that even in an age of heightened suspicion, they're not going to assume the worst.
One thing we know for certain: Ryan Howard is a feared hitter. How feared, we found out on Monday.
Ken Rosenthal is FOXSports.com's senior baseball writer.
Fox
Ryan Howard is Jesus.
QuoteThe Phillies' Jeff Conine labeled the Astros' strategy "Bonds-esque." Astros manager Phil Garner said the comparison was indeed applicable.
Keep in mind that teams were scoring 40.2 percent of the time after leadoff walks entering Monday, 38.6 percent in the National League, according to STATS, Inc.
But no right-thinking manager is going to let Howard beat him in the late innings of a meaningful game in September. And by the ninth inning, Garner already had seen enough.
What it doesn't say is that the Phillies account for the other 62.4 percent of that stat, as evidenced by last night.
Howard stuff:
1) Player of the Month for August
2) He's going to Japan this fall/winter with other players to make fun of their tiny dugouts
Game is officially canceled.
Thanks for the update, I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the news.
Burrell just got caught looking at a called 3rd strike.
Mathieson may have a torn elbow ligament and could miss most of 2007 :-\
If Matheison was in our plans for next year, then thats trouble. If not, then who cares. He sucks.
Marlins lose
Giants lose
Reds win
Padres tied 2-2, btm 4
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 05, 2006, 10:57:03 PM
Mathieson may have a torn elbow ligament and could miss most of 2007 :-\
And that's bad because.............?
He's better than Ryan Madson.
I was hoping the canadian would be our set-up guy, eh.
Mathieson is our best pitching prospect, this not good.
there's really no one on this pitching staff i would care to see next year except colbert, myers.... yeah thats it. maybe flash, depending on how he finishes up the year. anyone else they should make an honest attempt to replace for next season. mathieson.. meh. least he broke down now before we started depending on him.
farging Colorado sucks. 5-3 SD btm 6. 2 games out.....
Cincy won too.
LA lost.
FLA lost
SF lost
We may be chasing LA for the wildcard soon if this keeps up.
O yea and Josh Barfield can farg himself in the face with a tire iron.
Rockies down a run, 2-3-4 inclides Helton against Hoffman. Make youselfs useful for a change, Colorado.
Padres win. 2 games back. Alright.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 06, 2006, 12:06:40 AM
Mathieson is our best pitching prospect, this not good.
If Mathieson is seriously the best pitching prospect, this team is seriously farged for a long time to come.
If Gavin Floyd is no longer considered a prospect, then they still have Gio Gonzalez, Carlos Carrasco, J.A. Happ, Zack Segovia and Kyle Drabek...
BTW, Scranton/WB and Lakewood are in the playoffs, which start tonight...
They actually have some really good young arms in the minors. Ed has Drabeck done anything good of note yet?
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 06, 2006, 10:35:15 AM
They actually have some really good young arms in the minors. Ed has Drabeck done anything good of note yet?
I thought he was going to college first.
He got hit around in the GCL but it's probably because he's worn out from winning a state title and pitching/playing a lot in high school this spring. It'll be interesting to see what they do with him next year. Will they start him in Lakewood then move him back down to Batavia in June, or will they fast track him?
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 06, 2006, 07:43:27 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 06, 2006, 12:06:40 AM
Mathieson is our best pitching prospect, this not good.
If Mathieson is seriously the best pitching prospect, this team is seriously farged for a long time to come.
Not at all, you just dont know anything about the minors, but that's ok bumpkin.
Call me derogatory "pet" names all you want, but Bruno Mathieson sucks.
article about Ryan Howard breaking the HR record (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhKOJ2s0ZHfDyjIDpruq1YURvLYF?slug=dw-howard090506&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Great Article :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay
Quote from: MURP on September 06, 2006, 03:13:22 PM
article about Ryan Howard breaking the HR record (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhKOJ2s0ZHfDyjIDpruq1YURvLYF?slug=dw-howard090506&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
I couldn't agree more, and not just because I'm a biased homer. If Howard breaks 61 in my mind he'll be the all-time single season HR leader. Keep the other HR records in the books because steroids or not hitting that many HR's is an amazing feat, but put an asterick or something to signify the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs.
How do we know that Howard hasn't been juicing? I would submit that we don't.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 06, 2006, 03:05:22 PM
Call me derogatory "pet" names all you want, but Bruno Mathieson sucks.
You bet I will call you pet names all I want, buttercups.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 06, 2006, 03:48:29 PM
How do we know that Howard hasn't been juicing? I would submit that we don't.
Shut up.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 06, 2006, 03:48:29 PM
How do we know that Howard hasn't been juicing? I would submit that we don't.
This sounds stupid but you can tell the difference between someone who juices and someone who doesn't.
i assume he is. just as i assume most of the players do.
HGH is undetectable without a bloodtest as well as other performance enhancers, and blood tests arent allowed by the union.
i for one dont care if he's juicing...at least someone on the phils is finally getting in on the action
Quote from: Wingspan on September 06, 2006, 04:07:50 PM
i assume he is. just as i assume most of the players do.
HGH is undetectable without a bloodtest as well as other performance enhancers, and blood tests arent allowed by the union.
i for one dont care if he's juicing...at least someone on the phils is finally getting in on the action
Pat Burrell just hasn't learned that steroids won't help if you keep taking strike three.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 06, 2006, 03:48:29 PM
How do we know that Howard hasn't been juicing? I would submit that we don't.
How can you
Go and say that
Howard is juicing?!?!
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 06, 2006, 07:51:34 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 06, 2006, 03:48:29 PM
How do we know that Howard hasn't been juicing? I would submit that we don't.
How can you Go and say that Howard is juicing?!?!
HGH really isn't that effective unless taken with a steroid. And I highly doubt he's taking that either.
Juan Samuel was just in the booth, damn he got old
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 06, 2006, 08:24:14 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 06, 2006, 07:51:34 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 06, 2006, 03:48:29 PM
How do we know that Howard hasn't been juicing? I would submit that we don't.
How can you Go and say that Howard is juicing?!?!
HGH really isn't that effective unless taken with a steroid. And I highly doubt he's taking that either.
Juan Samuel was just in the booth, damn he got old
So did we. :paranoid
Pettitte is making the Phils look BAD tonight. Except Carlos Ruiz.
howards doing this his first full year. sosa, mcguire, and bonds did their damage towards the end of their careers, after they went from twigs to the incredible hulk. then they all for no apparant reason just broke down and fell apart. i wonder why.
either way, i think howard will eventually break the new mark.
Pat Burrell strikes out (at least he swung) with the bases loaded and 0 outs...AGGODDAMNGAIN!!! >:(
mp, defend your boy.
Conine almost grounds into a DP but they can't turn it.
Tie game 2-2.
1st and 3rd with 2 outs.
At least the Phillies were able to accidentally score a run without a Howard bomb.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2006, 08:52:12 PM
Pat Burrell strikes out (at least he swung) with the bases loaded and 0 outs...AGGODDAMNGAIN!!! >:(
mp, defend your boy.
at least he swung
Pat Burrell is the worst baseball player in Philadelphia Phillies history.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 06, 2006, 09:03:35 PM
Pat Burrell is the worst baseball player in Philadelphia Phillies history.
How could you say that?
(http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/joe_cowley_autograph.jpg)
(http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/steve_jeltz_autograph.jpg)
(http://www.hockeyautographexchange.com/orioles/juanbell.jpg)
Oooooh Juan Bell.
He was the guy Kevin Stocker replaced in 1993, if I recall correctly.
it's about time for Howard to crush one. Geary throwing well.
Matt Smith pitching well too.
Apparently Nunez can't get out of the way of his own bunts.
NIce to see Matt Smith contributing.
Babe tries to bunt his way on. Umpires have no clue if it hit him...and it did. They call Babe back to the box and Charlie comes out to argue.
Holy shtein! They're calling him out of the box. Bullshtein.
Goddamn Cowboy Joe West and Tony Randazzo.
farginidiots.
Sure looked like a foul ball to me.
West still hates the Phillies. I can remember Whitey tearing into him a few times.
I still miss Richie Ashburn.
I miss Whitey too. Him and Harry were the best combo ever. I could listen to those two announce a paint drying contest.
Good PH by Hernandez.
Let's go, Jimmy.
Madson warming..... I have zero confidence in him.
Jimmy singles!!
runners on 1st and 2nd 1 out
Man the Astros sure do take away a lot of extra base hits. I didn't get to see a lot of that watching the Phils outfield the past couple years.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 06, 2006, 09:09:51 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 06, 2006, 09:03:35 PM
Pat Burrell is the worst baseball player in Philadelphia Phillies history.
How could you say that?
Any one of those players are better than Burrell. He's a bum who I tried to support for too long.
That was total bullshtein on the Nunez call. 1st and 2nd 1 out and Pettite's getting the hook.
Sweet Coca Cola commercial promoting jungle love.
Shane drives one to CF....Taveras hayls it in.
Hernandez tags and goes to 3rd.
2 outs with runners on 1st and 3rd
Utley digs in.
COME ON CHASE
Get it done, Utley!
Burrell has had a better career than basically the entire 93 team that everyone idolizes.
3-1 to Utley...
I want a walk and then see Howard crush a granny
who gives a shtein, mp. He's garbage.
And Utley strikes the farg out. Jesus christ.
WHIFF!!!!!
What the heck kind of swing was that? >:(
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 06, 2006, 09:23:32 PM
Burrell has had a better career than basically the entire 93 team that everyone idolizes.
I disagree, post all the stats you want, he sucks.
ha, nothing like blind hatred.
Let's hope Madson doesn't implode here. He got lucky there. Runs a 3-0 count and the guy gets the green and hacks at ball 4.
1 out.
This homeplate umpire sucks dick.
Hey look Mr "better than the '93 team who we mindlessly worship" pops out foul to 3B.
Ho hum. Another day at the office for that dog.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 06, 2006, 09:23:32 PM
Burrell has had a better career than basically the entire 93 team that everyone idolizes.
negative. careers aren't based on stats alone. those guys knew how to win. burrell wouldn't know what "win" is if someone did a line of it off his forehead.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 06, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
those guys knew how to win.
ha, they had one lucky season. i loved that team, but to act like they "knew how to win" is stretching it.
(http://media.phillyburbs.com/2005/02/24/0224burrell.jpg)
Gawd damn. I struck out again.
Quote from: SunMo on September 06, 2006, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 06, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
those guys knew how to win.
ha, they had one lucky season. i loved that team, but to act like they "knew how to win" is stretching it.
they were together for like a season. maybe two. when they got all their pieces, they found a way to win games. whether it was for a season or 5 seasons they knew how to win for that particular time period. granted though, most of em did suck during the rest of their careers.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2006, 09:43:04 PM
(http://media.phillyburbs.com/2005/02/24/0224burrell.jpg)
Gawd damn. I struck out again.
damn.. i wish that jerk wouldn't throw so hard.
Here comes the implosion.
Taveras eeks one past Howard.
Bases loaded 1 out. Top 9.
FARG>
Lets go for fargs sake.
Madson strikes out Craig Biggo (watching that, Billy Wagner?)...
Berkman up.
Madson staying in to face him despite Fidel warming up in the pen.
Strike 1
You know what?
This is farging ridiculous.
Ryan Madson is shtein.
Berkman clears the bases with a double down the 3B line on an 0-2 curveball that was HANGING like a motherfarger.
farging goddamn bums.
farg everyone involved with this team
They should have put Castro in, so glad I'm not a manager and can point these things out at my leisure.
It's much more fun to read these threads to get Phillies updates rather than following the game.
The only reason I care about these bums is that not making the playoffs would hurt Howard's chance to win MVP.
i think i'm going to jump off the bandwagon. or a bridge. this amount of late inning ineptitude is unprecedented.
they should just cancel the NL wild card this year. no way this garbage should be in the running for a playoff spot.
i know that i'd definitely throw my 3rd best pitch in that situation
Quote from: SunMo on September 06, 2006, 10:00:07 PM
i know that i'd definitely throw my 3rd best pitch in that situation
they'll never see it coming.
Quote from: SunMo on September 06, 2006, 10:00:07 PM
i know that i'd definitely throw my 3rd best pitch in that situation
They'd never see the winding underhand screwball coming? WAR fastpitch!
Ha farging Ha.
Aubrey Huff drops a liner in RF
Lidge hits Dellucci
2 on with 1 out and Jimmy up.
If they pull this one out of thier ass I will be shocked.
Holy shtein.
Rollins hits a gapper.
Nunez scores.
AND TAVERAS THROWS OUT ROLLINS AT 2nd!
FARG.
Perfect throw.
Rollins was safe, I don't care what the Ump or replay says.
I dunno if he was out. Real close. :sly
farging shtein. Jesus they woulda had 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.
farg.
Victorino up. 2 outs and a guy n 3rd
Go Rockies!!1!!!
Ballgame.
I hope Ryan Madson's arm falls off. Or some crazy icehole chops it off with an ax.
Wheres that crazy kraut who stabbed Monica Seles a few years ago? Get him on the phone.
wow bad game
luckily FFattPatt is coming over my house tonight to comfort me.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 06, 2006, 10:15:35 PM
wow bad game
luckily FFattPatt is coming over my house tonight to comfort me.
I love your body, Larry.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2006, 10:13:52 PM
I dunno if he was out. Real close. :sly
farging shtein. Jesus they woulda had 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.
farg.
Victorino up. 2 outs and a guy n 3rd
I wanted to believe he was safe, but I think the throw got him. Helluva play by Tavares.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2006, 10:14:51 PM
Ballgame.
I hope Ryan Madson's arm falls off. Or some crazy icehole chops it off with an ax.
Wheres that crazy kraut who stabbed Monica Seles a few years ago? Get him on the phone.
Any manta rays near Philly?
We don't wait long to make inappropriate jokes about peoples' deaths here on :CF.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 06, 2006, 10:19:02 PM
We don't wait long to make inappropriate jokes about peoples' deaths here on :CF.
I've fallen right in with the crowd.
Hell will be crowded. We should see out a coaching angel to save us. Like Charlie Manuel.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 06, 2006, 10:19:02 PM
We don't wait long to make inappropriate jokes about peoples' deaths here on :CF.
it would be inappropriate not to make fun of his death
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 06, 2006, 10:22:15 PM
Hell will be crowded. We should see out a coaching angel to save us. Like Charlie Manuel.
Charlie Manuel is a coaching angel. Just like Lucifer.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 06, 2006, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2006, 10:14:51 PM
Ballgame.
I hope Ryan Madson's arm falls off. Or some crazy icehole chops it off with an ax.
Wheres that crazy kraut who stabbed Monica Seles a few years ago? Get him on the phone.
Any manta rays near Philly?
Geo,
That is so wrong ::). There, I feel better saying that clearing my conscience because honestly that was the funniest thing I've read all summer! :-D :-D
QuoteOutlook through Tuesday Sep 12. An additional second south swell on Thursday and Friday to keep southerly surf up but just below advisory levels of 8 ft.
Thank god for some surf. I am this close to tying a very heavy boulder around my neck the next time I go out. I still can't believe I listen to this crap everyday I can from my office. Sunday 7AM HST kickoff can't get here fast enough.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 06, 2006, 10:56:43 PM
QuoteOutlook through Tuesday Sep 12. An additional second south swell on Thursday and Friday to keep southerly surf up but just below advisory levels of 8 ft.
Thank god for some surf. I am this close to tying a very heavy boulder around my neck the next time I go out. I still can't believe I listen to this crap everyday I can from my office. Sunday 7AM HST kickoff can't get here fast enough.
No Don,
You have too much to live for. Save the boulder for Madsen. We'll throw him in one of those Hawaiian volcanoes with it.
Sacrifice the pitcher. Win the World Series. Get a trip to Hawaii.
Winners all around.
Last I heard the line up at Halemaumau Crater on the Big Island for the human sacrifice was about 500+ deep with Phillies, birds, sixers, Flyers who have played since June 1983.
SD wins on another walkoff HR. McAnulty goes deep in the 11th - Pads win 2-0
Rockies had 2nd 3rd w/0 outs and then bases loaded 1 out in the 9th and nutted up like the Phillies offense.
3 out now.
The only good thing about the last 10 days is that the Diamondbacks, Braves, Brewers and Rockies pretty much took themselves out of the race, and the Reds are starting to fade. The Padres start a 10-game road trip tomorrow night, so nothing is out of reach yet. 3 out of 4 would be nice at Florida...
tonight = Lieber vs Josh Johnson
FRI = Moyer vs Scott Olsen
SAT = Myers vs Brian Moehler
SUN = Hamels vs Willis
L
W
W
?
3/4 is a possibility. Watch them get swept.
They're not winning 3/4 if Chase Utley continues to suck ass.
Quote from: MDS on September 07, 2006, 12:20:42 PM
They're not winning 3/4 if Chase Utley continues to suck ass.
He's just rope-a-doping you. Besides, as evidenced last night, it's Ryan Howard's turn on the slump train.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 06, 2006, 10:15:35 PM
wow bad game
luckily FFattPatt is coming over my house tonight to comfort me.
I wasnt being serious when I posted this FF. I did not appreciate you knocking on my door until three in the morning.
The commute was a bitch but it was totally worth it.
the both of you are homos!
only with ur mom
i didnt know you also had a thing for dead chicks.
Dude. Who doesn't?
Dead chicks never complain about penis size. Which is awesome because I'm sick of hearing women bitch about vaginal tearing.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 07, 2006, 04:02:54 PM
Dead chicks never complain about penis size. Which is awesome because I'm sick of hearing women bitch about vaginal tearing.
you have to be careful with 12 yr olds.
Not if you get them drunk.
Howard blasts #54.
Move over, Mantle.
Lieber gives up 3 with 2 outs in the 1st (all on HR balls)
Phils come back with 3 in the 2nd.
And now Howard KILLS #54.
4-3 Phils
All of about 25 fans were there to fight over the ball.
10-4
Like I said - it's slump time for big Ryan. Slumperino. Slumporama. SLUUUUUMP.
10-8
Thanks Rick White
14-8 :)
Manuel needs to use Geary has his 8th inning man. He's about the only competent reliever left.
The bullpen is suffering from being used so much in the early-mid part of the season. Up until about a week ago, White was pitching well.
Hopefully, Utley is starting to snap out of his funk. He's played in 136 of the Phils' 140 games so far.
The most amazing player? Howard--the guy has played in 137 of the 140 games, and he is showing zero signs of slowing down. Against the Marlins, he's batting .484 (13-28) with 6 HRs and 12 RBIs.
QuoteIn the ninth Conine added a three-run homer, his first since joining the Phillies on Aug. 27.
"He hit good against us in this stadium," Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. "I said, 'I'm going to play him.'"
Look at Cholly with the management skeelz!
Anybody else going to order their playoff tickets soon?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 08, 2006, 12:47:26 PM
Anybody else going to order their playoff tickets soon?
Order me some. I'll pay you back. I swear.
What you did last night was payment enough, baby.
i logged on to espn and saw that the Phillies had won 14-8 and my first thought was, I'll bet Jimmy Rollins went 1 for 6. I'm a goodamned genius.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 08, 2006, 01:01:43 PM
What you did last night was payment enough, baby.
Good. I hope to make mad profit on eBay.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 08, 2006, 12:37:32 AM
The bullpen is suffering from being used so much in the early-mid part of the season. Up until about a week ago, White was pitching well.
Hopefully, Utley is starting to snap out of his funk. He's played in 136 of the Phils' 140 games so far.
The most amazing player? Howard--the guy has played in 137 of the 140 games, and he is showing zero signs of slowing down. Against the Marlins, he's batting .484 (13-28) with 6 HRs and 12 RBIs.
its most obviously the roids.
I don't know if Utley is really in a funk. He just hasn't been clutch. I went to a game less than a week ago where he hit two homers. Sure, he also left the bases loaded at the end of the eighth inning, but that kind of thing comes with the Phillies uniform.
(Yawn!) Another game, another homer.
Howard has been amazing this month. Good for my fantasy team! :yay
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 08, 2006, 09:03:27 PM
(Yawn!) Another game, another homer.
Howard has been amazing this month. Good for my fantasy team! :yay
Make that another 2 homer game. :yay :yay
That's seven multi-homer games this season.
Howard hits #56.
In game #141.
What was Babe at in #141? What about Maris?
Like I said - Big slump for Howard...
Was that Hernandez play as bad as it sounded on the radio?
What the farg is it about Phillies 3B?
Last year Bell booted a grounder in the 9th of a tight game and it cost them
Babe booted one a few days ago and it cost them.
Hernandez booted one tonight and it cost them a run.
Luckily it did not cost them the game. Flash K's Borchard and the ballgame is over.
Phils win 3-2. :yay
I BELIEVE!!!...............well, sort of. :paranoid
Quote from: Don Ho on September 08, 2006, 09:55:43 PM
Was that Hernandez play as bad as it sounded on the radio?
If anything, it was worse. Totally cut Rollins off, and then booted it. Even allowing for the fact that Cabrera could have possibly beaten the throw (as long as it seemed to take him to chug into second, I doubt it), the play at least gave him 2nd base.
Final Score: Ryan Howard 3, Marlins 2.
Ryan Howard, Jamie Moyer, Tom Gordon: Thanks
Everyone else: farg you
1.5 back of the Padres for the wildcard again.
They're just taunting us.
More on the breaking news of the slump of Ryan Howard:
QuoteRyan Howard hit two more home runs, his 55th and 56th of the season, driving in all the Phillies' runs in their 3-2 victory over the Marlins. Howard has hit 12 home runs in 48 at-bats since Aug. 25. He has outhomered nine teams and hasn't gone more than seven at-bats without a home run during that span.
Cut him.
It be nice if he'd so something every now and then.
He is batting .517 in Semptember.
They should have unloaded him at the trading deadline when they still had the chance.
Yeah, that is incredibly accurate - get something for him while he still has some value!
Utley 2 HR's tonight.
Burrell almost dropped ome in LF, I was shocked to see him look that bad in the field.
Tied 2-2 in the 4th.
Pads lost. Must win.
Bases loaded, nobody out. Manuel decides to PH for Dellucci with Conine. Now I was against this move because the pitcher (a lefty) was missing horribly to both Utley and Howard (walks). You figure, he either will continue to have no control or he will start grooving some fastballs because of the situation. You think Dellucci could handle that?
Well, Conine strikes out against a new pitcher. Then Burrell pops up on a 3-1 fastball over the middle of the plate. Then Ruiz lines out. Awsome.
I think that lefty was going to come out anyhow. He was bad. But Dellucci has been crap lately. So I liked seeing Conine there.
And then Burrell does what he does best - not get a hit with RISP.
If Ryan Howard isn't killing HRs this team has no offense.
Dellucci seems like hes busted out of his slump. Just seems stupid to PH for a competent hitter in the top of the 5th inning.
Conine > Burrell
They've actually left over 100 runners in scoring position, 75 of them on 3rd with less than 2 outs.
Nice job tonight. Totally farging excellent.
I don't know whether to cheer Rhodes' injury or not. That could help rather than hurt since he's been zesty.
SD loses and the Phils shtein the bed. Nice.
Phils lose, Texas losing and Penn State lost.
Not a good start to the weekend.
Quote from: MDS on September 09, 2006, 08:04:15 PM
Dellucci seems like hes busted out of his slump. Just seems stupid to PH for a competent hitter in the top of the 5th inning.
it wouldn't have come into play if Burrell's ass would've been on the bench like it should've been from the start of the game
Expect him back out there tommorrow with Willis going, but at this point, I doubt he plays against RHP. Dellucci 5 and Conine 6 is much better.
Carmelo Martinez > Pat Burrell
Carmelo Anthony > Pat Burrell
Caramello candy bar > Pat Burrell
whats left of an 8 yr old caramello candy bar wrapper > pat burrell.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2006, 10:45:06 PM
I don't know whether to cheer Rhodes' injury or not. That could help rather than hurt since he's been zesty.
HUge cheers here. He's totally farging incompetant. I hope he never throws in a Phils uni again.
Enrique Palazzo > Pat Burrell
Rhodes is going back to Philly for tests, and Manuel said that it doesn't look good. :yay
Quote from: MDS on September 10, 2006, 11:11:03 AM
Rhodes is going back to Philly for tests, and Manuel said that it doesn't look good. :yay
That's great news, maybe Manuel can convince Burrell to join him.
I like Matt Smith to jump into Rhodes role as the setup guy.
Gordon, Smith, Geary appear to be the only decent guys out the pen. Madson is shaky, White is a toss-up if he'll suck or be competent, Fultz has sucked and he's hurt....yea. Things lookin gooooood.
What kills me with Madson is he has good stuff that looks borderline dominant at times, then he completely sucks ass and gives up hits/runs like there's no tomorrow.
Not to mention, he's misused. He's best as a guy who can jump out the pen and got 2 or 3 innings generally every outing. But Manuel uses him as a strategic rhp for a batter or two. If the starter goes 5 or 6, Madson should be the guy to come in and get it into the 8th. Then you use the top 3: geary, smith and gordon.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 10, 2006, 10:49:33 AM
Enrique Palazzo > Pat Burrell
"Hey, it's Enrique Palazzo!!"
Not that anyone was watching, but Willis threw a CG SHO....3-0
Phils fall to a tie for 3rd place in the WC with the Marlins
I was off an on with the Birds. Total farging waste. Losers.
oh yeah.. the phillies. good for them.
I was flipping to the Bums during commercial breaks. Burrell should be released immediately.
YEA THEN LET'S REPLACE HIM WITH A HORRIBLE VETERAN WHO HAS GOTTEN THE REPUTATION OF BEING CLUTCH BECAUSE IT SATISFIES THE MORONS THAT ARE THE PHILLIES FAN BASE, HEY THAT AARON BOONE IS CLUTCH AND GRITTY TOO LET'S GET HIM!!
It will be like 93 all over again!11111llllllllllll1111111111111111111llllllllllllllll
The entire team except for Howard happens to suck.
At least they'll avoid Smoltz again this week...
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 10, 2006, 07:01:30 PM
YEA THEN LET'S REPLACE HIM WITH A HORRIBLE VETERAN WHO HAS GOTTEN THE REPUTATION OF BEING CLUTCH BECAUSE IT SATISFIES THE MORONS THAT ARE THE PHILLIES FAN BASE, HEY THAT AARON BOONE IS CLUTCH AND GRITTY TOO LET'S GET HIM!!
It will be like 93 all over again!11111llllllllllll1111111111111111111llllllllllllllll
Someone should put the song "stand by your man" on.
Is Burrell below the Mendoza line yet?
No, but he does get on base more than Utley and still has an OPS that is ridiculously higher than Rowand's for what it is worth.
THat's somthin to be proud offffffffffffffff
indeed
strained tendon and sprained ligament for Rhodes....done for the year
Geary and Madson will share setup duties
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 10, 2006, 09:42:38 PM
strained tendon and sprained ligament for Rhodes....done for the year
Geary and Madson will share setup duties
BEst news I've heard Phils-wise in 2 days.
Addition by subtraction.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 10, 2006, 10:02:13 PM
Addition by subtraction.
Maybe Burrell's leg will fall off next.
Yea because Conine is better than Burrell.
Kill yourself.
Michael Bourn/Jeff Conine platoon. Dellucci everyday. Booyah.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 10, 2006, 10:41:22 PM
Yea because Conine is better than Burrell.
Kill yourself.
i dont think it comes down to who's better, it comes down to who your tired of watching suck ass.
Padres win, so the Phils are tied with the Giants and Marlins for 2nd in the WC race, 2.5 back
Phillies @ Braves (no Smoltz)
Padres @ Reds
Mets @ Marlins
Rockies @ Giants
Astros @ Cardinals (Oswalt pitching Wednesday, so the Phils will avoid him too :yay )
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 10, 2006, 08:14:25 PM
No, but he does get on base more than Utley and still has an OPS that is ridiculously higher than Rowand's for what it is worth.
Burrell leads the league in sucking ass, if you can't see that than there's no hope for you.
From PhilliesPhans :-D
QuoteI've solved all of Burrell's problems. All he needs is a makeover:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/Shore_2006/salburrell.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 11, 2006, 02:28:27 PM
From PhilliesPhans :-D
QuoteI've solved all of Burrell's problems. All he needs is a makeover:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/Shore_2006/salburrell.jpg)
Burrelli...... I like it.
We get a lefty in the 3rd game of the Atlanta series, so that will probably be the next time Burrelli plays.
Clemens, Pettitte and someone else (probably Wandy Rodgriguez) for the Astros series this weekend. That could make for 2 more times Burrelli plays. Joy.
However, we will miss the big 3 for the makeup game. But by then, it could be over. Or will be. Probably.
this just in...
the phillies are a .500 team
oh but they got an easy schedule so they will definitely make the playoffs
i didnt know .500 teams could have easy schedules
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 11, 2006, 02:28:27 PM
From PhilliesPhans :-D
QuoteI've solved all of Burrell's problems. All he needs is a makeover:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/Shore_2006/salburrell.jpg)
:-D
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/09/11/fvi.phillies/index.html
Rained out.
DH tomorrow.
The coin flips were held for potential tiebreakers:
Phillies would host: San Diego or Florida
Phillies would visit: Cincinnati, Houston or San Francisco
Another god damn DH? What the hell. Sign Adam Bernero again. It'll be fun.
He's back in KC. With like a 0.32 ERA.
Padres lost
Marlins blew a 4-0 lead late and are losing
Giants in a back-and-forth game
Astros lost
Also, Lakewood won both games in Augusta and heads home needing one more win to clinch the South Atlantic League championship... :yay
2 back with 3 weeks to go. I'm ready to waste the next 21 days or so on this mess of a team that undoubtetly fall short. Are you?
2 back with 3 weeks to go. I'm ready to waste the next 21 days or so on this mess of a team that undoubtetly fall short. Are you?
no
and when the phils miss out by three or four games i will laugh heartily at all who did
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2006, 08:16:49 AM
no
and when the phils miss out by three or four games i will laugh heartily at all who did
like you have anything better to do Monday through Friday?
Howard just missed a GS by about 6 inches, credit Andruw Jones with a fantastic catch.
Conine just doubled in 2 runs. Bums down 5-3.
I hate you Andruw Jones.
hate.
Howard is literally the only one.
Bums just took the lead, with 2 outs and runners on 2nd and 3rd, Dellucci hit it to left and Diaz made an awful turn around attempt to catch only to have it hit off his glove. (that sort of makes up for Utley's play earlier). Bums lead 6-5, bottom 8th.
Matt Diaz basically just saved the season. We should send him some flowers or something.
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2006, 07:12:38 PM
Matt Diaz basically just saved the season. We should send him some flowers or something.
Or we could just send him Burrell
Can we package the rest of the outfield except for Victorino? They all suck.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 13, 2006, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2006, 07:12:38 PM
Matt Diaz basically just saved the season. We should send him some flowers or something.
Or we could just send him Burrell
What kind of thanks is that?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 13, 2006, 07:17:02 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 13, 2006, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2006, 07:12:38 PM
Matt Diaz basically just saved the season. We should send him some flowers or something.
Or we could just send him Burrell
What kind of thanks is that?
Well...they both play like shtein in left.
Just as I write that Simon hits a very similar ball towards Diaz but this time he makes the catch.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 13, 2006, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2006, 07:12:38 PM
Matt Diaz basically just saved the season. We should send him some flowers or something.
Or we could just send him Burrell
....as a bar hopping buddy?
worst.joke.ever.
Bums hold on to win, 6-5. BP pitches no-hit ball for 7 innings.
Get those playoff tickets.
How far out of the WC are you guys now, anyway?
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2006, 07:53:07 PM
Get those playoff tickets.
closest thing I could find! (http://www.razorgator.com/tickets/sports/baseball/mlb/philadelphia-phillies-tickets/?performance=3933273%7C1)
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 13, 2006, 07:58:01 PM
How far out of the WC are you guys now, anyway?
1.5, depending on what SD does tonight. (if they're playing)
They are playing and they're up on Cinci 7-0 in the 3rd. :boom
So they'll still be 2 games back if/when SD wins. :-\
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 13, 2006, 08:00:03 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 13, 2006, 07:58:01 PM
How far out of the WC are you guys now, anyway?
1.5, depending on what SD does tonight. (if they're playing)
They're up 7-0 on the Reds in the 3rd.
Marlins are up 2-0 on the Mets and SF plays Col later on tonight.
this team makes me cry on the inside
sending the runner with MVP on deck and the ball hit to a fielder notorious for having a strong arm=brilliant
If the Phils win the 2nd game too, they'll stay 1.5 back...
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 13, 2006, 08:10:54 PM
If the Phils win the 2nd game too, they'll stay 1.5 back...
Yeah, like THAT'S going to happen.
Lieber is a walking argument in favor of the designated hitter. :boom
Rollins does his Ryan Howard imperssion. Phils up 2-1.
Carlos Ruiz hits a 2-run homer. Phils up 4-1.
someone named carlos ruiz hits a homer. 4-1. if i had to bet on a play most likely to be mowing my lawn in 2 years, it would be ruiz. and im not saying that because hes mexican, and mexican people mow lowns.
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2006, 08:48:21 PM
someone named carlos ruiz hits a homer. 4-1. if i had to bet on a play most likely to be mowing my lawn in 2 years, it would be ruiz. and im not saying that because hes mexican, and mexican people mow lowns.
If you mowed more lawns, perhaps you could afford more Eagles tickets, Temple boy.
Perhaps if I were of Mexican decent, I would. But I'm a Jew, so I think I'll be an accountant or lawyer.
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2006, 09:10:44 PM
But I'm a Jew, so I think I'll be an accountant or lawyer.
So it really is all downhill once you graduate from Temple? I thought it was just a rumor.
It was pretty much downhill for me from the moment of conception.
Clemens, Hirsh (rhp), Pettitte (apparantly) for the Astros series
3 rhp's who suck for the Cubs series
Avoid Willis for the Marlins series next weekend, but we will get him in the final weekend of the season (could mean nothing, who knows)
Only 3 LHP over the next week and a half, so we really shouldn't be seeing too much of Burrell :yay
Quote from: MDS on September 14, 2006, 12:00:53 PM
could mean nothing, who knows
Right, because the lead will be like 7 games by then! Phillies rule!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 13, 2006, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 13, 2006, 09:10:44 PM
But I'm a Jew, so I think I'll be an accountant or lawyer.
So it really is all downhill once you graduate from Temple? I thought it was just a rumor.
it's more of a rumor that people actually graduate from temple
phils on tbs and espn2 tonite for the out of townies
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 14, 2006, 02:11:27 PM
phils on tbs and espn2 tonite for the out of townies
Pitching matchup?
moyer - james
padres win
padres never lose
Braves got a runner on first, 1 out. Ball hit up the middle, Utley makes a play on it, nice flip to Rollins who tags 2nd and overthrows Howard at first. No error on the play because the runner didn't advance.
Next batter hits one up the middle. Utley fields, tags 2nd himself and throws to 1st.
It can't be a good thing when Utley is showing you up in the field.
4-1 Braves, top 9. :boo
Waste of 2.5 hours. Back to 2.5 out and tied with San Fran.
The Pads are on a roll and only .5 back from LA, so its time to start scoreboard watching them
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 14, 2006, 10:08:40 PM
The Pads are on a roll and only .5 back from LA, so its time to start scoreboard watching them
Do they have any more head-to-head games left this year? Because if LA could be SD 3 or 4 times (or vice versa) that would be super.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 14, 2006, 10:49:30 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 14, 2006, 10:08:40 PM
The Pads are on a roll and only .5 back from LA, so its time to start scoreboard watching them
Do they have any more head-to-head games left this year? Because if LA could be SD 3 or 4 times (or vice versa) that would be super.
Their last four games are this weekend.
The Padres have four vs. the Dodgers, seven vs. the Diamondbacks, three vs. the Pirates and three vs. the Cardinals.
The Dodgers have four vs. the Padres, and three each vs. the Diamondbacks, Pirates, Rockies and Giants.
The suspense is killing me.
How will they choke next?
they havent choked and they wont choke...they just arent very good...choke is a word that the idiot delusional fans pull out when a team that they falsely believed could win the wild card doesnt...just because you get sucked in doesnt mean they choked
If Trent Cole doesn't get 25 sacks this year, will that be a choke?
trent who?
who the hell is juqua thomas?
I think we're supposed to call him William now...
Burrell up with the bases loaded.
I have a feeling this is not going to end well.
THAT'S WHAT I AM fargING TALKING ABOUT
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BOYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Burrell hits a clemens fastball on the inside corner for a homerun on a 3-2 count. farg yea.
CSN is very farged up on my cable, but I was able to see through all the pausing and mumbled audio that Burrell indeed contributed to this team. I'm stunned.
So Clemens walked the bases loaded AND gave up a grand slam to Pat Burrell? Riiiiiiiiiight.....
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 15, 2006, 08:25:38 PM
So Clemens walked the bases loaded AND gave up a grand slam to Pat Burrell? Riiiiiiiiiight.....
On a fastball on the inside corner with two outs and a full count. :-D
We are in a bizarro world.
You do realize that were all gonna die now. This is the apocolypse.
If Temple football wins this weekend, I'm going to start running up some credit card debt. The end is near.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 15, 2006, 09:58:56 PM
If Temple football wins this weekend, I'm going to start running up some credit card debt. The end is near.
If Temple actually wins, it will be already too late. The asteroid will be in the atmosphere.
Pat Burrell 4 Astros 3
ha
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Yo Phreak ya gotta give my boy some props. :evil Is this supposed to be a terrorist or something?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 15, 2006, 11:55:36 PM
Yo Phreak ya gotta give my boy some props. :evil Is this supposed to be a terrorist or something?
As soon as the shock wears off I think I might be able to muster up a prop or two for Lifeless Patty. I really enjoyed his post game interview on CSN. A beaut. He's looking around for a shaving cream pie that never came. And he wouldn't look into the camera and had as much personality as a dead catfish.
They sure as hell tried to piss that one away though. Conine dropping that ball? Holy shtein.
Burrell is still a bum.
I left to go out btm 9 firguring that Gorden had the shtein in the bag. But that little motherfarger Conine and Howard with their dumbass defense. I'm glad I missed it, probably would have had to go to the hospital because of heartattack. ahaha. thats gold,. burrell still blowsl
A heart attack caused by some fine North Broad nose candy. Slow down there, buddy. That shtein'll kill ya.
stillupfront's mom i dont do coke. but i dont smoke redicouliys weed. whata gpnna do boss, call ur cop buddies and get me got. its all in the game son.
:-D
Pads lose to LA.
Phils 1.5 back.
Root for an LA sweep. :yay
i saw the highlights finally. wtf was that ninth inning. jeez/
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 16, 2006, 12:01:12 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 15, 2006, 11:55:36 PM
Yo Phreak ya gotta give my boy some props. :evil Is this supposed to be a terrorist or something?
As soon as the shock wears off I think I might be able to muster up a prop or two for Lifeless Patty. I really enjoyed his post game interview on CSN. A beaut. He's looking around for a shaving cream pie that never came. And he wouldn't look into the camera and had as much personality as a dead catfish.
They sure as hell tried to piss that one away though. Conine dropping that ball? Holy shtein.
I think he is more comfortable not looking into the camera, it seems like he does that in most interviews. He looked like he aged 10 years.
Lakewood won the South Atlantic League title last night. hooray minors
Today's game is on FOX in eastern PA and all of Texas except Dallas, San Antonio and El Paso. Scott Graham/Lou Piniella announcing. 1-2-3 top of the 1st vs Hirsh. Also, Pettitte was scratched for tomorrow's start and Wandy Rodriguez will pitch instead...
Evidently, no one up there cares, and I can't get the @(*@*(#&@(* game because of the MLB-Fox exclusivity agreement and the nations fetish-like attraction to all things Yanks-Sawx, but Cole Hamels took a no-hitter into the 7th inning. That's gone now, but the Phils are still up 6-1.
Pretty decent game. I'm pleased. A sweep would be real super.
7-2 final, Wolf goes for the sweep tomorrow
Pettitte's not going to make the start now.
World. Series.
Just did a run through for the wild card teams. Came out to 86 wins for the Phils, which would actually win them the wild card by 1 game over San Diego. I figured the Phils would lose tommorrow, sweep either the Cubs or Nationals, take 2/3 in the other 3 series and win the make up game with Houston. That comes out to 86 wins. Of course, choke factor can't be really added in.
I really do expect San Fran, Florida and Cinci to drop out little by little. It'll be between us and San Diego, and the playoff game would be here. I can smell a trip out to LA for a series with the Dodgers. Or to Heaven. Either one.
Swept the Astros and Howard hit 57 but who farging cares farg you eagles
Marlins scored 4 in extra innings and gave up 5 to lose the series at Atlanta. SF got rained out. Cincinnati got killed by Chicago and lost the series. The Phils will come home no worse than 1 game out if San Diego wins....1/2 game if Los Angeles wins...
I would gladly trade all the Phillies remaining games to get the Eagles W against the Giants.
farging Eagles.
Padres win and take over the NL West lead. LA now leads the wildcard by 1 game...
2.5 games of breathing room between the Phils and Giants. With the next 7 at home (5-2 minimum), this could turn into a 2 team race by the last week.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 17, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
Padres win and take over the NL West lead. LA now leads the wildcard by 1 game...
lol, tell you what...if it ends up being the phils beating
LA...it would be even sweeter :P
Who cares who they beat? Does it really matter that much if you get to talk trash to hbionic?
no, its not hbionic that matters
i despise everything about LA
QuoteHate New York City
It's cold and it's damp
And all the people dressed like monkeys
Let's leave Chicago to the Eskimos
That town's a little bit too rugged
For you and me you bad girl
Rollin' down the Imperial Highway
With a big nasty redhead at my side
Santa Ana winds blowin' hot from the north
And we as born to ride
Roll down the window put down the top
Crank up the Beach Boys baby
Don't let the music stop
We're gonna ride it till we just can't ride it no more
From the South Bay to the Valley
>From the West Side to the East Side
Everybody's very happy
'Cause the sun is shining all the time
Looks like another perfect day
I love L.A. (We love it)
I love L.A. (We love it)
Look at that mountain
Look at those trees
Look at that bum over there, man
He's down on his knees
Look at these women
There ain't nothin' like 'em nowhere
Century Boulevard (We love it)
Victory Boulevard (We love it)
Santa Monica Boulevard (We love it)
Sixth Street (We love it, we love it)
I love L.A.
I love L.A.
(We love it)
I hope you move to LA and choke and die on the smog.
There is no way I would ever move to that hellhole.
Not a good start tonight.
Lieber can't field Pierre's ball to him. Pierre steals 2nd with no throw. Now Theriot lays down a perfect bunt.
1st and 3rd with 0 outs.
CHOKE
Jon Lieber is teh awesum.
the crafty veteran leiber steppin up big time in the middle of a playoff race
Somewhere deep down inside I just know that Pat Burrell's going to bail us out with some late-inning heroics.
holy crap
GS Jose Hernandez! Its now an 8-6 game.
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 06, 2006, 09:47:59 AM
Lieber's errant throw on a routine play lost them that game.
I reiterate...farg Lieber
Win or lose this game, FARG him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 18, 2006, 08:17:55 PM
Somewhere deep down inside I just know that Pat Burrell's going to bail us out with some late-inning heroics.
Somewhere Ed Wade is flipping burgers at a Sonic
somewhere the inventor of the wiffle football is poor and lonely
Quote from: reese125 on September 18, 2006, 08:40:08 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 18, 2006, 08:17:55 PM
Somewhere deep down inside I just know that Pat Burrell's going to bail us out with some late-inning heroics.
Somewhere Ed Wade is flipping burgers at a Sonic
Not that anyone really cares, but Wade is a minor league scout for the Padres.
Howard back to back k's. Boy been chokin today. Conine could jack a 2r homer here. That be nice.
go Padres
Thanks for the pick-me-up...jerkoffs.
4-4 top 5. not a huge deal who wins. either were 1.5 or 1 back. obviously, the next 2 are must wins. cant farging lose a series to the damn cubs.
Dodgers and Padres would both come here for a 1 game playoff
Utley is now under .300, good time for him to continue sucking balls
Chokers.
I thought for sure they'd win it once Hernandez hit the slam.
Anyone see our 3B next year getting used to CBP? Aramis Ramirez = 2007 Phillie
That would be grand.
Rollins
Victorino-RF
Utley
Howard
Ramirez
Dellucci/Conine-LF
Rowand (think he's back, as long as they dont overpay him, he has to hit better though)
Catcher (ruiz, coste, loserthal, whatever)
Lieber-Hamels-Myers-???-??? (Wolf would come back for cheap, Moyer has the option, Brito and Floyd could compete)
Back to back World Series champs. lol.
I believe Rowand has an option and they will pick it up. Not too expensive.
That sound is mpmcgraw's head exploding because Rowand is coming back. :-D
Crazy game. Dodgers hit 4 solo homers in the 9th to tie it, then after a SD run in the 10th, Nomah hits a 2r walk off. Dodgers win. 1.5 behind SD now. Yikes.
Are you farging kidding me? Dodgers hit 4 straight solo HRs to tie being down 9-5, and then the Padres take a 10-9 lead in the top 10th, then Nomar hits a walkloff 2 shot.
WTF
Even if Rowand does come back, I'd like to see Victorino in center. I like the way he plays CF.
Utley is now under .300, good time for him to continue sucking balls
hes been a complete dog since the day abreu got dealt....worse than burrell even....hes hitting like .235 and is a big liability in the field
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 06:33:53 AM
Utley is now under .300, good time for him to continue sucking balls
hes been a complete dog since the day abreu got dealt....worse than burrell even....hes hitting like .235 and is a big liability in the field
He will bounce back. I just don't know if it will be in time for the Phils push to the playoffs.
I'm excited for Utley's 2007. Really. Woooo. He's bouncin back.
THe Utley hate? Can it. Seriously.
The team wouldn't even be where they are without what he did all season.
He's sucked since mid-august. A slump is a slump, but this has gone on too long and comes at the worst time. He's the 3 hitter and best player, when hes not producing for an extended period of time, he deserves criticism. Just like Abreu got. Just like Burrell is getting.
this is also the 2nd slump in 2 years that he's run into during the last 5 or so weeks of each of his 2 full seasons.
so while i am not hating the guy (far from it). the criticism is completely valid.
No one on this team aside from Howard is above criticism. (I'm a big Victorino fan so he makes MY zero criticism list too)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2006, 03:21:31 PM
No one on this team aside from Howard is above criticism. (I'm a big Victorino fan so he makes MY zero criticism list too)
Offensively, yes.....it's quite hard to criticize Howard.
Defensively, he's near/at the top of the list. He's just not very consistant in the field.
definitely sgt...they are gonna have a hard time ever winning with that right side in that park
id also put hamels on the cant criticize list
Hamels gets a free pass because he's a rook. He's lights out one start and then he's shyte the next. Part of the growing process. The big thing with him is that he's improved as the year's gone on and if I'm not mistaken, hasn't really had 2 bad outtings in a row. Wish I could say the same for the rest of the starting rotation. :-\
Bases loaded, 2 outs, 3-2 to Burrell and he looks at a breaking ball right down the middle. What a zesty loser. Why is he still starting?
burrell has no hitting instincts. he guesses each and every pitch, and if he's wrong, he has no ability to improvise his swing and at least try to foul the ball off. the only problem with that is, when he guesses right he usually misses the pitch or fouls it off.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2006, 06:56:40 PM
definitely sgt...they are gonna have a hard time ever winning with that right side in that park
id also put hamels on the cant criticize list
Good point with Hamels, he gets the free pass (for this season at least) as well.
Quote from: SunMo on September 19, 2006, 07:52:18 PM
burrell has no hitting instincts.
Are you saying that Burrell is the Mike Lewis of the Phillies, only the opposite, so it's quasi-ironical?
James just made it 4-1. Bums bounce back fairly solidly.
Sad that our leadoff hitter has a chance to end up with more HRs than Burrell by seasons end.
sad? or BEST LINEUP EVAR!1/!/?
SD 4 Arz 0
LA 1 Pit 1
I love rooting for garbage teams.
Also, Les Walrond will start tommorrow. Probably because he's a lefty. His stats are terrible. He appears to be a talentless scrub. Odds are, he'll dominate the Phils.
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2006, 11:11:56 PM
I love rooting for garbage teams.
That goes without saying, you're a Phillies Phan.
SD wins
LA loses
1 game back of WC, 1.5 still of SD.
Interesting, if the Phillies make the playoffs, the Eagles/Cowboys games could be swapped this year (http://www.nj.com/eagles/times/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1158638936246080.xml&coll=5&thispage=3).
QuoteAccording to someone with knowledge of the situation, the Phillies could have a home game on Sunday, Oct. 8. That's the same day as the Eagles' scheduled home game with the Cowboys. The Eagles are scheduled to play at Dallas on Christmas night.
Even though the teams no longer share the same stadium, it could cause a logistical nightmare to have a playoff game and the Cowboys game the same day.
In the past the NFL has accommodated Major League Baseball by switching home games when it was appropriate.
P.S. Let me save PG some time... ECKEL! ::)
Pretty simple thing here. #1 the Phillies aren't making the playoffs because theyre the Phillies. #2 barring a playoff tiebreaker on a monday, the Phillies series would go: at XX tues and wed, home fri and sat, at mon. thats right, sunday would be a day off. HowEVA, if the Phillies someone defy every logical bone in the world and achieve something and have to play any kind of playoff, then there could be a problem.
1. Keeping the Rowand is stupid to start off with, but that goes without saying anyway.
2. If Victorino is not our starting centerfielder then everyone in the Phillies FO needs to get AIDS and die.
3. He should be limited to a Jason Michaels type role.
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2006, 02:57:18 PM
He's sucked since mid-august. A slump is a slump, but this has gone on too long and comes at the worst time. He's the 3 hitter and best player, when hes not producing for an extended period of time, he deserves criticism. Just like Abreu got. Just like Burrell is getting.
Dear retard, he has an .832 OPS in September. I know you might not be logical enough to realize this, but even though he hasnt been playing up to his standards lately, Utley still has been helping this team with that production. FAR from hurting this team.
He did the same thing last year in September until he hit 4 homeruns in the last week. Dont worry about the dirt ball.
Edit: EDIT!! I still LuV U!
somebody's hitting the sauce early
Ooops sorry.
Forgot the e in homeruns. :-[
Alls I'm trying to say is Utley needs to pick it up. His OPS yack yack yack is all fine and dandy, but he needs more whats the word...hits. There it is.
Pat Burrell sucks
Yes, he has been slumping, but he has not been sucking. I feel bad for Utley. He is going to be the new Abreu once he gets that big fat contract. Some fans are already showing signs they are going to turn on him. It is pissing me off. (no i am not talking about you)
I would usually follow that up with Rowand sucks or something to that degree, but since you hate all Phillies, OK whatever.
Rowand is pretty mediocre, Pat Burrell sucks. Cock. He's gay. lol.
This isn't ES dude. The lol thing just isn't funny anymore.
I'm not MDS. I'm hahafunnyhaha.
mp,
Did you write John Smallwood and blast him for his rip job on Pat today?
Another squandered opportunity - 2 runners on with 1 out and Howard and Conine strikeout.
The unhittable and potential Cy Young candidate Les Walrond is pitching for the Cubs.
Since he's an unknown and left-handed he will shut 'em down.
Another lousy job of hitting....Cy Walrond has 5 K's already.
Runners on 1st & 2nd with 1 out.
Myers fails to get the bunt down - K
Rollins strikes out.
Utley pulls a Pat Burrell and takes strike three.
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2006, 11:11:56 PMAlso, Les Walrond will start tommorrow. Probably because he's a lefty. His stats are terrible. He appears to be a talentless scrub. Odds are, he'll dominate the Phils.
Yup.
Cubs up 1-0 on single to RF.
Conine's throw off line and Howard juggles the cut. If he doesn't fumble it - he has a shot to get the guy at the plate. He was dead.
These guys need to pull their heads out of the goddamn asses.
They K'd 10 times on Monday, 11 times last night and 7 times already tonight.
Jesus Christ.
howard is slowly but surely losing the mvp award...he strikes out al lot anyway but in the last couple weeks hes been going down on strikes at an incredible rate....hes out of gas...the combination of his first full major league season and the pennant race has worn him down bad
It looks like Walrond is running out of steam.
Burrell up 3-0. TIme for three called strikes! :yay
am i the only person that cant believe LES WALROND is a brotha!!!
I was shocked too, IGY. :-D
Big Mike Lieberthal with the clutch hit!!
Conine scores.
Liebry on 2nd and Burrell on 3rd with ZERO outs.
LET"S FARGING GO OFFENSE!
BABERAHAM!!
He singles and Burrell scores!
2-1 Phils.
Babe has 8 RBI in SEPT so far.
Abraham Nunez batted .136 in the first half of the season, and is now nearly at .260 for the second half.
0-2 rbi hit as well...unheard of for a phillie...if there had also been two outs the world would have ended
Jimmy Rollins strikes out for the 3rd time
Shane Victorino swings at a 2-0 pitch in the dirt
Yuck. 2-1 top 5.
And it just did.
Myers gets the bunt down. Moves runner up to 2nd. Giving them 2nd and 3rd.
Rollins K's.
Victorino and his bad wrist ground out to 2B.
2-1 Phils. 2 more RISP stranded.
that weurtz cat is nice
alright, cracker.
english please?
utley is almost embarrassing at this point
He should've walked though. That 3-1 pitch was a ball.
Will Ohman owns Howard.
And as I type that Howard finally got a hit off of him. Scott Graham thought it was gone. Too much topspin and it hits off the scoreboard.
nice....howard needed that
jae juk ryu what!?!?!
burrell>utley
Burrell grounds to second with guys on 1st and 3rd and the 2nd baseman goes home and has not shot...probably could have gotten the DP if he went to second.
3-1
Rollins doubles, Victorino bunts him to 3rd.
Now the Cubs broadcast is focused on some large bald guy with lots of piercings and tattoos.
Is that you, IGY? :D
UTLEY with the 2-run homer!
5-1
Utley hits number 29 to right with a runner on.
5-1
Howard seems to be swinging out of his shoes at every pitch. He's horribly off-balance on some of these swings.
Burrell just hit a useless 1 run shot. Way to come through when it counts, Pat. (nope, he can't do shtein right in my eyes)
6-1
He's trying to hit the ball to Jersey as opposed to over the fence.
Pat Burrell luvs him sum Jersey.
Jersey girls are pretty slutty. Fits what Burrell the playa is lookin for. As much ass as possible.
Myers with the CGW. 12 Ks.
Bums win 6-2
Marlins series:
Nolasco, Moehler, Olson
Hamels, Wolf, Lieber
Astros make up game: Clemens vs. Moyer (combined aged of 88!!) That is if Clemens pitches, he could shut it down if the Astros are out of it by then.
The rotation was switched so Lieber could pitch in Washington (where he's ok) instead of Florida (where he sucks more).
Hamels-Lieber-Moyer
Brett was dealin' tonight.
Moyer + Hamels + Myers = solid three man rotation.
It all comes down to the BP and timely hitting. I don't like the fact that Howard is cooling off and Utley is still in a funk. They need to get it right. Victorino's wrist has him in a free fall too.
Let's go Pirates!11
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Put a Phillies hat on him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2006, 10:39:48 PM
Put a Phillies hat on him.
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D'OH!
Pirates up 2-0. :yay
Arizona winning agains SD too. 3-1 in the 4th.
:yay :evil :yay
World. Series.
3-2 Pirates
3-1 Diamondbacks and they just struck out twice with the bases loaded
Not quite at the point where we need constant score updates. I'd say thats for the last week. But it is scoreboard watching season.
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2006, 11:43:23 PM
But it is scoreboard watching season.
No shtein? Thanks for the tip.
8-2 Diamondbacks, 9th inning
6-4 Pirates, 8th inning
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2006, 11:45:24 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2006, 11:43:23 PM
But it is scoreboard watching season.
No shtein? Thanks for the tip.
I wasn't sure you knew. Considering you want to school in the south, it's possible you might not be that bright.
Quote from: MDS on September 21, 2006, 12:52:41 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2006, 11:45:24 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2006, 11:43:23 PM
But it is scoreboard watching season.
No shtein? Thanks for the tip.
I wasn't sure you knew. Considering you want to school in the south, it's possible you might not be that bright.
I disagree. I'd say it's a given.
Haha. Tied for WC. Half game back of Padres. Bums!!
Jeff Kent struck out with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th w/2 outs. The Dodgers lose like the Phillies.
ha....losing 2 straight at home to the Pirates in a playoff race
Watch us get swept by Washington.
Hang on to that feeling you guys have right now because this is the biggest rush you'll get all year.
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Quote from: MDS on September 21, 2006, 12:52:41 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2006, 11:45:24 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2006, 11:43:23 PM
But it is scoreboard watching season.
No shtein? Thanks for the tip.
I wasn't sure you knew. Considering you want to school in the south, it's possible you might not be that bright.
Southern education >> Temple education
Quote from: rjs246 on September 21, 2006, 01:48:19 AM
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In slow motion it looks a little like semen.
Bukakke Bobby?
Good for Bobby. He finally played for a franchise that has other good players to make up for his complete lack of production in the 8th inning on.
What great news to wake up to, I'm really hoping either the Dodgers or Pads go in the tank.
DATL is saying that if the Phils make the playoffs they are going to switch the Dallas games. If that's true I have never and will never again root so hard for the Phillies to fall on their goddamned faces.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 21, 2006, 08:16:03 AM
DATL is saying that if the Phils make the playoffs they are going to switch the Dallas games. If that's true I have never and will never again root so hard for the Phillies to fall on their goddamned faces.
I just saw that too, and Ed reported the same thing a few days ago. Why would that be bad unless you have tickets?
he does
Quote from: SunMo on September 21, 2006, 08:18:21 AM
he does
If thats the case, then:
GO PHILS!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ha! I'd feel bad for rjs if the game was rescheduled and he wouldn't be able to make it. I'd still laugh about it but I'd feel bad too. But only a little. Then I'd take his tickets.
Seriously. farg the motherfarging Phillies.
Oh and I hate all of you.
while i would eventually end up going to a rescheduled game, i really don't need the drama it would cause with my wife.
Wives are for the gays.
where were you 6 years ago?
He was being gay.
im confused. so i'm going to the bathroom to jerk off.
If the game moves to Christmas, I'll buy tickets from anyone who can't go for $0.49/each.
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/15570112.htm
QuoteBirdseed
NFL officials have told the Eagles that the Dallas games - Oct. 8 at Lincoln Financial Field, Christmas Day in Irving, Texas - would not be switched. There have been many rumors and some media reports that if the Phillies make the playoffs, the Eagles would not play at home Oct. 8. In fact, there have been various combinations of Phillies, Eagles, Sixers and Flyers games, some of them playoff contests, on the same dates at the South Philadelphia sports complex over the years and nobody has moved a regular-season game because of it in recent memory. Some of the national media and/or blogosphere people spreading this rumor must be under the impression the Eagles and the Phils play in the same stadium, which, of course, they don't...
i dont know why anyone would ever think it would switch...the nfl would never acquiesce to mlb...if something moved it would be the baseball game to monday
what is DATL?
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 21, 2006, 11:47:49 AM
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/15570112.htm
QuoteBirdseed
NFL officials have told the Eagles that the Dallas games - Oct. 8 at Lincoln Financial Field, Christmas Day in Irving, Texas - would not be switched. There have been many rumors and some media reports that if the Phillies make the playoffs, the Eagles would not play at home Oct. 8. In fact, there have been various combinations of Phillies, Eagles, Sixers and Flyers games, some of them playoff contests, on the same dates at the South Philadelphia sports complex over the years and nobody has moved a regular-season game because of it in recent memory. Some of the national media and/or blogosphere people spreading this rumor must be under the impression the Eagles and the Phils play in the same stadium, which, of course, they don't...
ECKEL! ::) ::)
even tho its the daily news thats still funny as hell
mlb is stupid. they have the playoff schedules made up before they now which teams will be in the places. the wild card team and the division winner they play are set to go wed, thur then sat, sun and mon. the two teams to worry about are minnesota and oakland. both share stadiums and will make the playoffs. the phillies series, in order to avoid the traffic and logistics problems, should be tue, wed then fri, sat then sun or mon (away obviously). but mlb is dumb, so it aint.
shut. up
Anyone else sorta hoping they bring Lieberthal back next year?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 21, 2006, 05:26:58 PM
Anyone else sorta hoping they bring Lieberthal back next year?
Don't fall for it. It's a mirage.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 21, 2006, 05:26:58 PM
Anyone else sorta hoping they bring Lieberthal back next year?
I'm all for it as a backup and at the league minimum.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 21, 2006, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 21, 2006, 05:26:58 PM
Anyone else sorta hoping they bring Lieberthal back next year?
I'm all for it as a backup and at the league minimum.
He has said that he will take a signficant pay cut and a less prominent role to stay in Philly.
Maybe Coste will play some third in ST so Ruiz, Lieby, and Coste can all get good playing time.
Yea catching is going to be a pretty mediocre position with Ruiz (a career backup at best), Coste (marginal ML player) and Loserthal (old like my nutsack). Gillick has a variable pick of the litter. Of crappy catchers.
Yea having two catchers with an .800 OPS and a young catcher that had a .850+ OPS in AAA is such a burden.
Lick my balloon knot.
Perhaps I'll Vote For Utley
Are you in double secret probation?
I wonder if The Office is the best show evAr.
Wonder no more...
You clearly post too much.
Coste isn't that bad and Ruiz was a good hitter in the minor leagues so the C situation could be worse.
We could be playing Sal Fasano two times a rotation....
Padres and Dodgers won, so the Phils fall back to 1/2 game out...
Looks like we'll avoid Clemens on Monday and get Matt Albers instead...
What happens if LA, Phi and SD all have the same record? LA plays SD, loser comes here or SD/LA head to head winner wins division, other team comes here?
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2006, 01:13:09 AM
What happens if LA, Phi and SD all have the same record? LA plays SD, loser comes here or SD/LA head to head winner wins division, other team comes here?
I'm just guessing......... LA/SD would play a 1 game playoff for the division. The loser would then have a worse winning % than the Phils and would be eliminated from the WC
QuoteSpeculation on Howard misguided, announcer says
Jon Miller had seen and heard enough, so he voiced his displeasure during an ESPN game two weeks ago.
Miller was unhappy with stories that questioned the validity of some of the top home-run hitters, specifically the Phillies' Ryan Howard.
The common thread was the speculation that anybody who was hitting home runs at a rapid pace these days must have been getting a boost, namely from performance-enhancing substances.
So, Miller used his national forum to vent about the speculation during a Sept. 10 telecast of the game between the San Diego Padres and San Francisco Giants.
"I think it's very irresponsible and unfair to openly start making accusations with innuendo simply because the guy is having a very good season," Miller said this week in a phone interview. "They have no evidence other than that."
He then repeated what he had said on television.
"Ryan Howard is guilty of nothing more than having a great season," he said. "Why should his name ever be associated with that [steroids]?"
As the voice of the San Francisco Giants, Miller has heard his share of steroid talk. Giants slugger Barry Bonds continues to be the subject of steroid speculation, with his name linked to the investigation of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
"In San Francisco, the reporters had the whole Balco story and got some leaked testimony from the grand jury and published all sorts of stories about Bonds and Jason Giambi, in addition to using FBI sources in regards to the investigation," Miller said. "None of which has had any sort of legal standing with which to indict Barry, but it at least met the journalism standards. Nobody has done any reporting on Ryan Howard."
Miller said Howard has become one of the game's big stories over the last few years. "From what I've seen and from talking to him and talking to his teammates about him, Ryan Howard is everything that is good about the game," Miller said. "He is a breath of fresh air in the game."
Miller said Howard's success probably is not a coincidence, given that he was not rushed to the big leagues. With Jim Thome in Philadelphia the previous three seasons, Howard's path seemingly was blocked until Thome was injured last season.
Howard, who will turn 27 in November, had 1,847 at-bats in 505 minor-league games.
Miller believes that if the Phillies make the playoffs, they can be a dangerous team - one that the national audience will enjoy watching.
"The Phillies and Ryan Howard up against anybody is fun," Miller said. "Right now nationally, the average fan may not know a lot about the Phillies, but they sure know Ryan Howard."
Good read there PG. Its nice to see a guy who's watched bonds over the past 10 years or so looking at howard as what he really is
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 22, 2006, 02:24:14 AMI'm just guessing......... LA/SD would play a 1 game playoff for the division. The loser would then have a worse winning % than the Phils and would be eliminated from the WC
Almost. The loser would fly here for a 1-game playoff to determine the wildcard winner (since the Phils won the coin tosses against both teams).
Which the Phillies would then lose because they are a bunch of chokers.
and because they suck at home and already lost 2 out of 3 at home to both earlier this year...
Another reason why Marcus Hayes eats ass (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/baseball/15580083.htm)
He says the Phils are only in the playoff race because they avoided Oswalt, Smoltz, Willis, Clemens, Zambrano, etc.
Quote"Is that even a serious question?" snipped first baseman Ryan Howard. "Why would we sit there and think about who we aren't facing? If you have to face them, you have to face them. If not, why deal with it?"
Well, perhaps to understand that, if the Phillies reach the playoffs, the Derrek Lees and Chipper Joneses and Cliff Floyds will be have to be in some sort of truss to keep them off the field. And, not only will they face every team's ace, they'll probably face him twice.
Howard, who feasted in August during the run on the best and the worst other teams offered, shrugged. "It doesn't matter," he said. "You don't win because you missed those guys."
"Sometimes the guys you've never seen before can be tougher. There's no scouting on those guys," growled teammate Chase Utley, who generally has starved at the plate during the run.
Notice how Hayes negatively describes their reactions when they told him his idea was stupid...
Marcus Hayes is a ballbag.
"snipped" and "growled"? :-D
Marcus should know that the unknown bums (ex. Les Walrond) give them trouble. Just like Chase was "grrrrrowling" about.
Someone should punch him in the face. Maybe he'll be on DNL tonight and they can rip him.
the most laughable part of that column is this line....
"Just before the Phillies played the Nationals six times in August, the Nationals traded ace Livan Hernandez"
hayes will be the beat writer for the soul before his career is done.
the eagles shunned him...soon the phils will as well.
Ran down to CBP at noon and got tickets to tonights game. Howards going yard tonight, I can just feel it.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 22, 2006, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 22, 2006, 02:24:14 AMI'm just guessing......... LA/SD would play a 1 game playoff for the division. The loser would then have a worse winning % than the Phils and would be eliminated from the WC
Almost. The loser would fly here for a 1-game playoff to determine the wildcard winner (since the Phils won the coin tosses against both teams).
I would have thought, because a 1 game playoff is actually counted as another regular season game, that the loser would be automatically eliminated from the W/C chase.
in an attempt to buy the phillies a wild card berth i put a quarter on the marlins tonight at +175
are you and the carpenter going down?
unfortunately no...he couldnt get out of work in time...we have plans to go tomorrow instead
may God smile upon your journey
thoughts of you will get me thru it
i dont need god
well, in reality..
sun = gawd
NO
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 22, 2006, 05:05:10 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 22, 2006, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 22, 2006, 02:24:14 AMI'm just guessing......... LA/SD would play a 1 game playoff for the division. The loser would then have a worse winning % than the Phils and would be eliminated from the WC
Almost. The loser would fly here for a 1-game playoff to determine the wildcard winner (since the Phils won the coin tosses against both teams).
I would have thought, because a 1 game playoff is actually counted as another regular season game, that the loser would be automatically eliminated from the W/C chase.
That was my logic too. But Ed says I'm wrong. So I must be. Because Ed knows stuff. Stuff the rest of us don't.
Rollins doubles
Vic sacs him to 3rd
Utley RBI single to CF
Howard walks
Dellucci K's
Burrell K's looking
Imagine that - Phils striking out, especially Pat Burrell, with RISP. I'm shocked.
1-0 Phils
he didn't farging swing the bat once...if they make the playoffs, he cannot be a starter
Agreed.
I would rather see Conine out there.
and Dellucci needs to get out of his slump too. They absolutely need him and Utley to get it going. Chase is showing signs of breaking out. A HR on Wed and a single tonight.
Howard is either walking or striking out (it seems) these days. He's getting nothing to hit and we all pretty much knew that would happen. They have to get hot again. All of them. Now.
Hamels has allowed 3 hits - all doubles - and is in the process of stranding the baserunner again. Although he didn't check Ramirez at 2nd and he waltzed to 3rd. But he gets a popout now.
2 outs runner on 3rd and Cole has 5 K's already.
HOWARD!!
3R OPPOSITE FIELD SHOT!!
4-0 Phils.
SD Eagle was right. :yay
i can't believe they threw him a fastball
Neither can I.
But when there is no place to put him they have to gamble sometimes. That's why its so important that those 1-2-3 guys are getting on.
And normally pitchers think "I'll throw him a fastball but I'll go outside with it." And as soon as they do that he extends his arms and goes opposite field. Amazing.
Now King Cole needs to keep it up and not let the momentum switch.
Ryan Howard > Jo-bu > Jesus
i think i hate scott graham
Graham is a fake.
Wheels and his comparing baseball to golf is annoying too.
They are walking Howard with two outs in the eighth bases empty. Hoydas!!
Tied w/LA pending the outcome of their game tonight. Also, SD is leading Pitt 1-0.
1. Marcus Hayes actually put Cliff Floyd in the same category as Derrick Lee and Chipper Jones. What an idiot.
2. He called Livan Hernandez an ace.
3. Cole Hamels is quite good.
4. Ryan Howard got 1 pitch to hit tonight, and he hit a farging 3 run homer.
5. Joe Girardi is a Hoyda.
6. Go DBacks/Pirates
Who is Marcus Jones? Can he pitch middle relief?
Happy Rosh Hashanah, Billy Bob.
Thanks, mcnabb_defense_superbowl!!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 22, 2006, 11:42:56 PM
Thanks, mcnabb_defense_superbowl!
no problem, PhillyPhreak32. Yay Michael Lewis lack of coverage skillz!
Jayson Stark says he thinks the Phillies will shop Rowand because they like Victorino more, and neither are really a good option at a corner outfielder spot for an entire season.
HOLLA
Quote from: MDS on September 22, 2006, 11:46:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 22, 2006, 11:42:56 PM
Thanks, mcnabb_defense_superbowl!
no problem, PhillyPhreak32. Yay Michael Lewis lack of coverage skillz!
PP54 was first, doublesecretprobation.
Logistically they need 2 new corner outfielders. Dellucci got everyone creamin their pants because he got real hot right when the team got hot and Abreu got traded, but in reality he's a mediocre starter and good reserve/platoon player. He will get offers to start elsewhere by virture of his stats, though. So he's gone. Burrell is done. Conine is a perfect reserve option for next year. He can play corner OF and 1st.
Soriano? I'd throw him a shteinload, but I think he wants to go play 2nd somewhere. They definatly need someone to hit 5th. Burrell aint that guy, either is Conine. Neither is Dellucci. So we'll see. But let's wait for them to choke this year before we talk shop next year.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 22, 2006, 11:56:17 PM
Jayson Stark says he thinks the Phillies will shop Rowand because they like Victorino more, and neither are really a good option at a corner outfielder spot for an entire season.
HOLLA
Yeah, but if your logic is correct, they won't get anything for Rowand.
I'd laugh if they traded Rowand and Burrell together.
I'd offer Soriano a ton of money too. He likes hitting leadoff too.
Only way I would get rid of Rowand is if they get another corner OF, like Mr. I'm In College And Still Go To Summer Camps says.
Dellucci is gone.
Burrell is gone.
Victorino has the arm to play RF - he should go there next year
Rowand = CF
LF = ?
Conine = utility
Padres win 6-2.
Chris Young lost his no hitter in the 9th when Joe Randa hit a PH 2R HR off of him.
Dodgers/D-Backs are tied 0-0 in the 7th...
Need more power from your corner outfielders. That is unless they get Soriano. Then you need to get a power hitting 3B. No, Aramis Rameriz isn't happening. Phillies will not invest heavily in 3B or C with all the young talent they have there. Victorino in center (Bourn as his backup, kid can play) and 2 new corners. Soriano means Rollins goes to 6. That's actually where he fits in best.
JD Drew homers in the 7th.
Dodgers lead 1-0.
What young talent do they have at 3B?
Soriano - LF
Victorino - RF
Utley - 2B
Howard - 1B
Insert Name Here - 3B
Rollins - SS
Rowand - CF
Coste/Ruiz/whatever veteran they bring in - C
Or if they don't get a power 3B and somehow get Soriano (doubtful, he'll want a ton) then he hits 5th to protect Howard.
This is crazy talk though. Too early.
Russell Martin doubles with 2 outs...
Grady Little takes out Derek Lowe despite him throwing 7 s/o innings and PH's Marlon Anderson.
Anderson doubles in Martin.
2-0 LA
Arizona sucks.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 23, 2006, 12:18:18 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 22, 2006, 11:56:17 PM
Jayson Stark says he thinks the Phillies will shop Rowand because they like Victorino more, and neither are really a good option at a corner outfielder spot for an entire season.
HOLLA
Yeah, but if your logic is correct, they won't get anything for Rowand.
I'd laugh if they traded Rowand and Burrell together.
Well, it would just prove my point that Rowand is pretty worthless so I'd laugh too. Maybe the Phillies arent the only team who values 'leadership' and grit over performance so who knows maybe we get something useful back.
I miss Jason Michaels.
Phreak is just scrambling to find ways to keep his boy. :-D
They win again. 81-73. :sly
The Phillies could wind up the 6th best team in baseball. :-D
When they win the World Series this year, they will be considered the best team in baseball.
If the Phillies win the World Series, I will honestly Vote For Utley.
How is Aunt Grace's box today?
Rather musty.
Nick Johnson collided with Austin Kearns today and broke his leg, so he's done for the season as the Phils come to town in 3 days. Marcus Hayes grinned...
Marcus Hayes needs to burn in hell right next to Sean Taylor and rjs.
I think he's just angry he might have to do some work in October.
It's looking like the Dodgers are going down to the Dbacks tonight. Finally, the Phils will be alone in the Wild Card lead. Let's just keep it there!!
Burrell sucks.
Pads win.
Fighting Nomah's lose.
Phils have a better record than Heaven.
Get the brooms out.
Good weekend. Let's hope the Eagles and Phils can both close the deal tomorrow.
Phillies lead the wild card by themselves with 8 games left. Go figure. :-D
All this with Manuel lacking any kind of in game managing skills, Pat Burrell in left, and a combonation of Gavin Floyd and Scott Matheison in the rotation for about half the season.
I heard somewhere yesterday that the Phils hit the low point in the season (9 games under at 44-53), they have the best record in the National League (37-20).
Had family duties yesterday, so I didn't get to watch. Since I was driving, though, I heard the game on my XM radio. Got to hear Harry Kalas for the first time in months. Even with encroaching senility, he's still one of the best, easiest-listening announcers in the business. God bless Harry the K. :yay
Ryan Madson has a 10.45 ERA in September
Jeff Conine is hitting .324 with 16 RBIs in 21 games as a Phillie
Pat "Mr. mpmcgraw" Burrell is hitting a definitley-not-deserving-of-the-boos .182 in September with a Ruthian like 2 HRs.
Conine needs to be the everyday starter and bat in the 5 spot from here on out. Dellucci and Burrell can't get it done. And I'd keep Ruiz in there while he's hot.
Lieberthal is more reliable, and equally as hot at the plate. He's not really playing enough for people to get to notice that, but he's been great. Thing is, he can't catch Hamels or Lieber and his knees are on shakier ground than Correll Buckhalter's. But I'd rather have Ruiz than Coste for Lieber and Hamels. Coste hit his wall a few weeks ago and is a marginal ML player.
Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Conine
Burrell
Coste
Nunez
Moyer
Burrell is back in there. At this point I'd rather start Chris Roberson, Mike Bourn or Pete Incaviglia
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 24, 2006, 10:29:23 AM
Ryan Madson has a 10.45 ERA in September
Jeff Conine is hitting .324 with 16 RBIs in 21 games as a Phillie
Pat "Mr. mpmcgraw" Burrell is hitting a definitley-not-deserving-of-the-boos .182 in September with a Ruthian like 2 HRs.
Take away the one grand slam (blind squirrell, anyone?) and Burrell has a grand total of 3 RBI in September. :yay
BurrellForDFA, anyone?
He should be left off the playoff roster. That would be fantastic.
utley is BACK!
7 in the third and Olsen thrown out. :D
That was amazing.
As soon as I turned it on I see Rollins go deep. Then Utley (yes, he is back - excellent) and then Coste.
Then Olsen gets tossed.
GO PHILS!
Now 8-4, bottom of the 5th
FloridaMarlins.com says that if the Marlins are eliminated in the next few days, they're going to use rookies out of the bullpen next weekend vs the Phils instead of Olsen and Willis.... ;D :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 24, 2006, 03:11:11 PM
FloridaMarlins.com says that if the Marlins are eliminated in the next few days, they're going to use rookies out of the bullpen next weekend vs the Phils instead of Olsen and Willis.... ;D :yay
The Negadelphian in me tells me that will make it all the more painful when the Marlins sweep the Phils next week. :boom
Ex-Phil Tommy Hutton has been the Marlins' TV color analyst for years. Here are some of the quotes from him today:
1. "Everything's coming up Phillies!"
2. "The Phillies are the hottest team on the planet."
Another from Hutton:
"The Phillies are 34-19 since trading David Bell." :-D
Where are the Phillies? I'm not familiar with a baseball team that wins games at the end of the season.
GAME ON!
Pat HR....10-5
Burrell is just a stat padder!!1111111111
Rick White comes in and allows a 2-run HR to Jacobs, but he finishes the game.
10-7 final
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
Yikes, this could really happen.
Magic number = 7
Got hardly any help from the Diamondbacks or Pirates this weekend...
Both teams suck. Dodgers should be done going to Coors and then to rival San FranGayco. Padres also have to go to St. Louis (decent team), then to Arizona (4 game series, likely a split). If the Phillies lose 2 games (win tommorrow, 2/3 in other series), they'll get in. No worries.
Buy Mike Lieberthal a wedding present (http://www.crateandbarrel.com/gr/guest/viewRegistry.aspx?grid=663921)
Buy Chase one too (http://couples.weddingchannel.com/wedding_websites/PersonalWebsite.action?view=gr&occ=567331049)
How about Cole? He's marrying that Survivor girl
I think they just got engaged, not enough time to register yet. ;)
Chase is marrying the best friend of a co-worker of mine.
this is all worthless without pics
My wife and i named our Golden Retriever pup after Chase. Of course we used Derian for his middle name ^-^
I got dibs on the pastry brush.
Link (http://mlb.mlb.com/phi/photogallery/year_2006/month_05/day_17/cf1458050.html)
Jen Cooper is Utley's fiancee
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 25, 2006, 10:53:17 AM
Link (http://mlb.mlb.com/phi/photogallery/year_2006/month_05/day_17/cf1458050.html)
Jen Cooper is Utley's fiancee
She's the one who is best friends with my co-worker. :)
She looks like she might have an eating disorder, and she definitely needs some more makeup to look hot.
that doesnt look the the girl that chase had his arms around while a little buzzed in other pictures that have popped up on the internet
:-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 25, 2006, 11:52:18 AM
She looks like she might have an eating disorder, and she definitely needs some more makeup to look hot.
Yup...
Who's Michelle Fonseca? She's hotter.
Lucienne Cormier blows 'em all away.
Julio Santana's wife reminds me a Latina Lisa Lobo
On the last pic, you can see the rock Chase bought her. If she waited a few years when he gets his fat contract, she coulda got hooked up more.
halle berry = goat baseball wife
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 25, 2006, 01:04:31 PM
Who's Michelle Fonseca? She's hotter.
Burrell's girlfriend. At least he's been hitting
something the last 2 months...
No wonder why he doesn't care about baseball. He has a fat paycheck and bones that chick. Tough life.
it's probably why he doesn't swing, he needs to save his energy for later
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 25, 2006, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 25, 2006, 01:04:31 PM
Who's Michelle Fonseca? She's hotter.
Burrell's girlfriend. At least he's been hitting something the last 2 months...
Those pictures were from the beginning of the year, and I saw him with a different shorty after the Mets game in May. OMG BURRELL CHEATS ON HIS GF. I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED.
MVP with a 2-run single. Phillies up 2-1.
burrell with the biggest at bat of his life
gag
Jimmy Rollins luvs him sum needles. :-D
:yay
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 25, 2006, 09:16:54 PM
Jimmy Rollins luvs him sum needles. :-D
:yay
It's Wheaties, man. Wheaties.
Breakfast of Champions. :paranoid
Crap.
painful
farging bullpen
Walks, cheap hits, Manuel not letting Bourn steal a base before Lieberthal bunts.
Oh well, tied with 6 to go. Here we go.
They pissed that one away. Dang it. :boom
Goddamn bullpen. >:(
looks as if even if the phils do pull this minor miracle off, the bullpen will crush our hopes and dreams shortly after reaching the post season unless our pitchers are up to pitching 7-9 solid every night. can't wait.
suckers!
Orlando Motherfarging Palmiero
Quote from: MDS on September 26, 2006, 01:34:47 AM
Orlando Motherfarging Palmiero
I think it goes something like "Philadelphia Motherfarging Phillies".
Using 4 bullpen pitchers in one inning is brilliant.
Well done Charlie.
Pat Burrell still around...Brilliant
Yea he only got on base 3 times last night!!
That jerkoff should have gotten on 4 times!1111111
lol he was getting on base for abraham nunez...good job
his job is not to get on base its to drive in runs that win games and when he had bases loaded and a chance to do just that he once again came up super small
He had a single too.
Had anybody in front of him gotten on base they may have scored.
even his singles look like he's a lefty trying to swing righty. he is pathetic and shouldn't be in the lineup
I dont care if his production is by accident. (which it very well maybe) Dellucci has been worse than Burrell in September and has been worse with RISP all year. Dellucci is also a liability in the field(as we saw last night). Not really an upgrade in anything and probably downgrading.
Quote from: burrellformvp on September 26, 2006, 02:12:50 PM
I dont care if his production is by accident. (which it very well maybe) Dellucci has been worse than Burrell in September and has been worse with RISP all year. Dellucci is also a liability in the field(as we saw last night). Not really an upgrade in anything and probably downgrading.
Dellucci sucks but at least he does so without making $14 million a year.
FYI--Burrell's hitting .213 this month with 17 Ks. Way to come through for your team in the clutch, Patricia.
So we should start Dellucci, even though he has been worse than Burrell, because he does not make 10 million like Burrell?
That's brilliant and is an excellent way to win games.
stop trying to justify burrell by looking for players that are worse than him...burrell as sd said is a 14 million dollar starter...the mere fact that youre even comparing him to a bench player says all you need to know about burrell
I am comparing him to the player that would most likely replace him in the lineup you 'dook'.
Comparing Dellucci to Burrell is pretty relevant when talking about benching Burrell.
then you admit burrell blows chunks
Yes, in September he has been blowing many chunks.
Quote from: burrellformvp on September 26, 2006, 03:11:40 PM
Yes, in September for the past 3 seasons, he has been blowing many chunks.
Do you want to just admit you are wrong right now or do I have to prove you wrong again?
There is no way in hell anyone can condsider his 05 season bad. Even suggesting it is moronic.
In the cluch Burrell= blowing chunks.
He's not worth 14 million, he's worse than your favorite Rowand, your the one looking like a moron trying to defend him mp
I am not saying he is worth the contract or that I want him back next year.
Just that given the alternatives right now he should still probably be in the lineup.
He is not worse than Rowand though. That's just funny.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 02:34:58 PM
So we should start Dellucci, even though he has been worse than Burrell, because he does not make 10 million like Burrell?
That's brilliant and is an excellent way to win games.
No, you start Dellucci because he's a better baseball player and can come through with the occasional clutch hit. I honestly think Bourn, Roberson, and Simon are better options at this point.
delucci is absolutely a better option....but as pathetic as burrell is no way do you put a youngin like bourne or roberson in there right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 03:49:26 PM
delucci is absolutely a better option....but as pathetic as burrell is no way do you put a youngin like bourne or roberson in there right now
Why not? They're better in the field and on the base paths. They might even get a hit or a walk every once in a while. With Burrell you're either gonna get a pop up, strike out (most likely option), or a walk. His fielding is awful and he's slow as dirt.
If you think Roberson is better than Burrell you know absolutely nothing about baseball.
No offense
they probably dont even belong in the majors leagues at this point...to put them in the starting lineup of a team that is tied for the wild card lead with six games left would be titantically stupid...
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 03:58:45 PM
they probably dont even belong in the majors leagues at this point...to put them in the starting lineup of a team that is tied for the wild card lead with six games left would be titantically stupid...
Burrell doesn't belong in the majors at this point, he's a disgrace to baseball.
Burrell doesn't belong in the majors at this point, he's a disgrace to baseball.
i agree
CUT MICHELLE LEWIS!!23132312r532134t55415
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 04:07:44 PM
Burrell doesn't belong in the majors at this point, he's a disgrace to baseball.
i agree
kiss of death
Your continued defense of Burrell is nauseating, mp.
Look, we are all rooting for him. we're forced to root for him because he's in that line-up. He shouldn't be in there. You can pull all the OPS numbers or comparisons to other players you want. But the simple fact is that he is not good. YOu can say Rowand sucks ir Dellucci sucks...whatever. But those guys bring a whole lot more to the team than Lifeless Patty.
Rowand does not bring more to this team than Burrell and it is pretty stupid to say that when all evidence says otherwise.
O right I forgot. Grit and percieved heart>performance.
I wonder why no one wants to come here.
Rowand is better defensivley
Rowand in center means Victorino in right, which means Conine and Dellucci are not out of position
Tough to compare Rowand's and Burrell's considering the differences in what kinds of players they are, and where they each hit in the lineup. But simple things like runner on 3rd, less than 2 outs: 11ab's, 12bi's. .333 with the bases loaded. .328 close and late. .248 scoring position (okay thats subpar). Burrell's stats are all worse in all of the situations. Yes, he has a higher OBP. But he strikes out looking every other at bat and is a liability in the field. If Rowand were playing, it would be best to have a Conine/Dellucci platoon in left and start Rowand in center and Victorino in right. But all of that is irrelevent. Burrell is gone at the end of the year. Good riddance.
playoff tickets for the NLDS are going on sale to the public on thursday at 9am.
razorgator will have them 9:01
arent they supposed to make the playoffs first ???
Why do you bother to concern yourself with the irrelevant? Shut up and buy have one of your lawyer relatives get you tickets Jew boy.
This is farging stupid. Even the farging morons at philaphans wouldnt argue this when they are on their medication.
Rowand swings at everything. He see's the least pitches per at bat on the team out of any regular player. He hardly walks. He is even worse at drawing BB than the stats show because he has gotten HBP 12 times. Last I checked he has less than 12 walks.
Even though he swings at everything his BA is barely better than Burrell's. Rowand's SLG is even 65 points less than Burrell eventhough Burrell has no feet.
Defense does not make up for this. He also throws like a girl.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 06:29:33 PM
This is farging stupid. Even the farging morons at philaphans wouldnt argue this when they are on their medication.
Rowand swings at everything. He see's the least pitches per at bat on the team out of any regular player. He hardly walks. He is even worse at drawing BB than the stats show because he has gotten HBP 12 times. Last I checked he has less than 12 walks.
Even though he swings at everything his BA is barely better than Burrell's. He does not even have better SLG.
Defense does not make up for this. He also throws like a girl.
Where as Patricia refuses to swing at
anything. Especially when he's sitting on 2 strikes.
Seeing 6 pitches per at bat and making an out>Seeing 3 pitches in an at bat and making an out
they're still outs, and like you said, Rowand has a better average, and he swings at everythings. that's how pathetic Pat is. he takes a lot of walks and still has a pathetic average
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 06:04:56 PM
Rowand does not bring more to this team than Burrell and it is pretty stupid to say that when all evidence says otherwise.
O right I forgot. Grit and percieved heart>performance.
I wonder why no one wants to come here.
That Moneyball bullshtein has brainwashed you.
Rowand is all about defense and leadership. He's not a terrible hitter.
And here's the thing you keep wanting to compare Pat to other people.
Pat = $14M paid to be a SLUGGER!!
Is Rowand supposed to be a slugger? Is he supposed to be a 45HR 130 RBI guy?
No.
Its cool for Rowand to hit 6th. Thats where he belongs.
That is NOT where Patty belongs.
I'm not defending Rowand so it doesn't matter to me how many pitches he takes. He could pop out on the first pitch of every at bat for all I care.
You're constant defending of Burrell is absolutely disgusting. I kind of still liked the guy a month or 2 ago but I think you have actually inspired more Burrell hate from me than Burrell himself.
The bottom line is dude has never lived up to the potential he showed when he got his big contract. He hasn't even come close. He's not just overpaid, he's flat out stealing money. I would love to be able to show up to work everyday and not produce just like him and still get paid for it.
Chase Utley has hit 4 more HR than Burrell and driven in 7 more runs.
Jimmy Rollins is only 2 HR less than Burrell and only 13 shy in the RBI dept despite being the farging leadoff hitter.
That's the farging problem right there. I really don't even care about the strikeouts. Ryan Howard has struck out 48 more times than Burrell so far this year. But when Howard isn't striking out he's actually getting on base. He's knocking in runs. He's hitting them out of the park like a power hitter is supposed to do.
When Burrell isn't striking out he's hitting into inning ending double plays. He's not advancing runners. He's not getting the sac fly to score the guy on 3rd. It's farging rediculous that you defend this guy the way you do. He's the Mark Farging Brunnell of the Phillies and you're like Bubba swinging from his jock strap.
playoff tickets for the NLDS are going on sale to the public on thursday at 9am.
you sure its nine?
i called the phillies yesterday and they told me 10am
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 26, 2006, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 06:04:56 PM
Rowand does not bring more to this team than Burrell and it is pretty stupid to say that when all evidence says otherwise.
O right I forgot. Grit and percieved heart>performance.
I wonder why no one wants to come here.
That Moneyball bullshtein has brainwashed you.
Rowand is all about defense and leadership. He's not a terrible hitter.
And here's the thing you keep wanting to compare Pat to other people.
Pat = $14M paid to be a SLUGGER!!
Is Rowand supposed to be a slugger? Is he supposed to be a 45HR 130 RBI guy?
No.
Its cool for Rowand to hit 6th. Thats where he belongs.
That is NOT where Patty belongs.
Look, I am not saying that Pat is worth the money. I am not saying that.
But...
1. If someone offered you a fat contract for whatever you did would you take it?
2. If someone pegged expectations on you that you could not live up to at your job because you are just not good enough, would you blame yourself?
3. Would you give that money back if you didnt meet said expectations?
4. If they were going to transfer you to an office in another city, but you had an option to stay here where all your friends and family were would you stay?
All this and Burrell still has held his tongue and not lashed out at the fans. The guy is a good dude too, which most people dont know, or dont want to believe.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 07:00:48 PM
playoff tickets for the NLDS are going on sale to the public on thursday at 9am.
you sure its nine?
i called the phillies yesterday and they told me 10am
Public is code for RazorGator.
Either that or they just don't like you.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2006, 06:50:40 PM
I'm not defending Rowand so it doesn't matter to me how many pitches he takes. He could pop out on the first pitch of every at bat for all I care.
You're constant defending of Burrell is absolutely disgusting. I kind of still liked the guy a month or 2 ago but I think you have actually inspired more Burrell hate from me than Burrell himself.
The bottom line is dude has never lived up to the potential he showed when he got his big contract. He hasn't even come close. He's not just overpaid, he's flat out stealing money. I would love to be able to show up to work everyday and not produce just like him and still get paid for it.
Chase Utley has hit 4 more HR than Burrell and driven in 7 more runs.
Jimmy Rollins is only 2 HR less than Burrell and only 13 shy in the RBI dept despite being the farging leadoff hitter.
That's the farging problem right there. I really don't even care about the strikeouts. Ryan Howard has struck out 48 more times than Burrell so far this year. But when Howard isn't striking out he's actually getting on base. He's knocking in runs. He's hitting them out of the park like a power hitter is supposed to do.
When Burrell isn't striking out he's hitting into inning ending double plays. He's not advancing runners. He's not getting the sac fly to score the guy on 3rd. It's farging rediculous that you defend this guy the way you do. He's the Mark Farging Brunnell of the Phillies and you're like Bubba swinging from his jock strap.
So now Burrell's a Hall-of-Famer?
2 times.
Quote from: SunMo on September 26, 2006, 06:38:34 PM
they're still outs, and like you said, Rowand has a better average, and he swings at everythings. that's how pathetic Pat is. he takes a lot of walks and still has a pathetic average
There isnt always a relationship between more walks and a higher BA.
Look at Morgan Ensberg...
I'm confused. Are we comparing Burrell to Morgan Ensburg now?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 07:00:48 PM
playoff tickets for the NLDS are going on sale to the public on thursday at 9am.
you sure its nine?
i called the phillies yesterday and they told me 10am
RazorGator at 9. Public at 10... on RazorGator.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
I'm confused. Are we comparing Burrell to Morgan Ensburg now?
I do not know of a Morgan Ensburg. Do you mean Megan Ensburg?
phils website says 9am
Morgan Ensberg
OBP AVG
.396 .237
Just because a player walks a lot does not necessarily mean that he will/should have a higher AVG.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:10:57 PM
Morgan Ensberg
OBP AVG
.396 .237
Just because a player walks a lot does not necessarily mean that he will/should have a higher AVG.
i agree, but when you say a player who swings at everything has a better average than a player who walks more, that kinda hurts your arguement, in my opinion.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:03:13 PM
1. If someone offered you a fat contract for whatever you did would you take it?
Of course. And if I didn't produce at the same level or higher I would be fired.
Quote
2. If someone pegged expectations on you that you could not live up to at your job because you are just not good enough, would you blame yourself?
He kicked ass in HS, kicked ass in college, was a first round draft pick, kicked ass in the minor leagues and for his first 1.5 to 2 years, kicked ass in the majors. I don't think anyone 'pegged' him with high expectations. I think he set the bar himself with his play.
Quote3. Would you give that money back if you didnt meet said expectations?
No, but I wouldn't expect to have a job either.
Quote4. If they were going to transfer you to an office in another city, but you had an option to stay here where all your friends and family were would you stay?
Other than his g/f, what family does Burrell have in Philly? And the dude's making $14mil a year. He can afford new friends.
QuoteAll this and Burrell still has held his tongue and not lashed out at the fans. The guy is a good dude too, which most people dont know, or dont want to believe.
Lots of people who suck at their jobs are nice. Because if they were dicks then they'd have absolutely nothing going for them.
Quote from: SunMo on September 26, 2006, 07:12:22 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:10:57 PM
Morgan Ensberg
OBP AVG
.396 .237
Just because a player walks a lot does not necessarily mean that he will/should have a higher AVG.
i agree, but when you say a player who swings at everything has a better average than a player who walks more, that kinda hurts your arguement, in my opinion.
They both arent very good at getting hits, but at least when they do make an out Burrell may at least drive the pitch count up. I think that's pretty valuable, especially in the playoffs.
You may not agree, but that's where I was coming from there.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2006, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:03:13 PM
1. If someone offered you a fat contract for whatever you did would you take it?
Of course. And if I didn't produce at the same level or higher I would be fired.
Quote
2. If someone pegged expectations on you that you could not live up to at your job because you are just not good enough, would you blame yourself?
He kicked ass in HS, kicked ass in college, was a first round draft pick, kicked ass in the minor leagues and for his first 1.5 to 2 years, kicked ass in the majors. I don't think anyone 'pegged' him with high expectations. I think he set the bar himself with his play.
Quote3. Would you give that money back if you didnt meet said expectations?
No, but I wouldn't expect to have a job either.
Quote4. If they were going to transfer you to an office in another city, but you had an option to stay here where all your friends and family were would you stay?
Other than his g/f, what family does Burrell have in Philly? And the dude's making $14mil a year. He can afford new friends.
QuoteAll this and Burrell still has held his tongue and not lashed out at the fans. The guy is a good dude too, which most people dont know, or dont want to believe.
Lots of people who suck at their jobs are nice. Because if they were dicks then they'd have absolutely nothing going for them.
Fine, let's rework that with "your contract is guaranteed" included.
Why does not meeting high expectations make you bad at what you do?
If expectations are set and someone does not meet them cant it be said that the expectations were not realisitic? This is not football or basketball. High draft picks are not sure things.
There is a number that only like 30% of first round picks will ever have significant playing time in the majors.
All this and Burrell still has held his tongue and not lashed out at the fans. The guy is a good dude too, which most people dont know, or dont want to believe
most baseball writers would totally disagree...but either way why do you care....david bell is one of the great guys in all of baseball...you want him back also
Meanwhile, interspliced between 4 singles where 2 long fly outs and 1 pathetic strikeout. Who struckout? Why, Patrica Burrell, of course. 2-0 after our top 1st.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 07:23:03 PM
All this and Burrell still has held his tongue and not lashed out at the fans. The guy is a good dude too, which most people dont know, or dont want to believe
most baseball writers would totally disagree...but either way why do you care....david bell is one of the great guys in all of baseball...you want him back also
Maybe he does not like to do interviews because he is afraid he will lash out at the fans?
A few of them on DNL said Kruk was hard to deal with when he was a player too.
Burrell is a vagina.
thats what i was just saying
ortiz cant get ANYONE out and burrell goes down meekly
That's a homerun.
farg YOU UMPIRES farg YoU
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:36:31 PM
That's a homerun.
farg YOU UMPIRES farg YoU
Dodgers paid them off. :paranoid
I thought I just saw Burrell get a hit with a man on, but I guess since you guys told me that never happens I was just seeing things.
Phillies doing what they do best - leaving men on base. :boom
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:50:27 PM
I thought I just saw Burrell get a hit with a man on, but I guess since you guys told me that never happens I was just seeing things.
Blind. Squirrel. Nut.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2006, 07:53:38 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:50:27 PM
I thought I just saw Burrell get a hit with a man on, but I guess since you guys told me that never happens I was just seeing things.
Blind. Squirrel. Nut.
What are.......MDS's fetishes?
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:50:27 PM
I thought I just saw Burrell get a hit with a man on, but I guess since you guys told me that never happens I was just seeing things.
He wasn't in scoring position. :D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 26, 2006, 07:55:24 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 07:50:27 PM
I thought I just saw Burrell get a hit with a man on, but I guess since you guys told me that never happens I was just seeing things.
He wasn't in scoring position. :D
I knew something was fishy.
I'd like to retract my Blind. Squirrel. Nut. statement and replace it with:
Stat Pad!1!1!!
How could Utley and the 1st base umpire NOT see that the ball hit the fricken pole? Inexcusable.
How many runs are we going to allow this last week because of all the walked batters? :boo
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 26, 2006, 08:06:54 PM
How many runs are we going to allow this last week because of all the walked batters? :boo
Probably just enough to miss the playoffs :boom
Burrell does his thing and strikes out on 3 pitches with 1st and 3rd and 1 out. At least it was swinging. But he's better than Dellucci. So, yea.
I just threw a chair across my room. My roommate is now looking at me strangely. Lets strand more people on 3rd with 0 outs. Hey that sounds like a good idea!
I have a 2x4 that ive been throwing around. that does the trick. but id rather simply shoot burrell in the head with one of phreaks guns.
Quote from: MDS on September 26, 2006, 08:34:51 PM
Burrell does his thing and strikes out on 3 pitches with 1st and 3rd and 1 out. At least it was swinging. But he's better than Dellucci. So, yea.
At least he worked the pitcher deep into the count. You know.....to tire his arm out later in the game when he's sitting on a 5 run lead.
Oh, nevermind.
Damn straight Rowand would have made an out after the first or second pitch of the at bat.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 08:50:08 PM
Damn straight Rowand would have made an out after the first or second pitch of the at bat.
Which may have actually scored the tying run.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 08:50:08 PM
Damn straight Rowand would have made an out after the first or second pitch of the at bat.
Tisk, tisk, tisk
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 06:34:20 PM
Seeing 6 pitches per at bat and making an out>Seeing 3 pitches in an at bat and making an out
^^^^talking about Burrell^^^^ ^^^^talking about Rowand^^^^
2-3-4 down by 1 top 7. get it the farg together. come on.
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Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2006, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 08:50:08 PM
Damn straight Rowand would have made an out after the first or second pitch of the at bat.
Tisk, tisk, tisk
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 06:34:20 PM
Seeing 6 pitches per at bat and making an out>Seeing 3 pitches in an at bat and making an out
^^^^talking about Burrell^^^^ ^^^^talking about Rowand^^^^
shut up
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2006, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 08:50:08 PM
Damn straight Rowand would have made an out after the first or second pitch of the at bat.
Tisk, tisk, tisk
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 06:34:20 PM
Seeing 6 pitches per at bat and making an out>Seeing 3 pitches in an at bat and making an out
^^^^talking about Burrell^^^^ ^^^^talking about Rowand^^^^
shut up
:-D Snappy come back there. You should try out for the taterskins fanbase. They're always looking for more idiots.
Utley Burrell's it.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2006, 09:00:39 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 26, 2006, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 08:50:08 PM
Damn straight Rowand would have made an out after the first or second pitch of the at bat.
Tisk, tisk, tisk
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 06:34:20 PM
Seeing 6 pitches per at bat and making an out>Seeing 3 pitches in an at bat and making an out
^^^^talking about Burrell^^^^ ^^^^talking about Rowand^^^^
shut up
:-D Snappy come back there. You should try out for the taterskins fanbase. They're always looking for more idiots.
Wow. You were nitpicking what did you want me to say? Ur mom?
This whole exchange is pretty redundant.
Go Burrell.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 08:50:08 PM
Damn straight Rowand would have made an out after the first or second pitch of the at bat.
You really have to stop defending Burrell for those at bats. Was anyone even pretending like Burrell was going to do something positive there? Would have been shocking to see him not strike out.
The Phillies = :boo
I cant defend that.
Howard strikes out again. Conine weak grounder to short. This is great. Choke.
haha phils fans killin burrell in dc even....nats announcer just said hes gonna have to go and play somewhere else next year
Crushed by Burrell. Just killed. All the way to the second baseman. Wow. The guy is seriouslly strong.
Dellucci is up.
Delucci looks overmatched.
Lies.
yep hes goin down
And Delucci pulls a Burrell.
Well that was a great at bat. farging losers.
Dellucci strikes out on a curveball on the inside corner.
ha
its gonna be fun times watching the phils this week implode against a horrendous team
and thats why kids like bourne and roberson should not be starting (and probably not even playing) in a pennant race
Bourn. Dear god. I want to kill myself.
Don't let the fall off the 35th floor stop ya.
I'd jump out my window, but I don't think the 3-foot fall would do much.
By the way, I hate the Washington announcers more than maybe any other. Freaking homers.
I'd jump out my window if it wasnt elevated and barely about ground level.
Uhhh we gotta listen to Chris Wheeler.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 09:34:19 PM
I'd jump out my window if it wasnt elevated and barely about ground level.
Then climb out of it and walk into traffic.
why does charlie not have a lefty ready to come in to face schnieder....what the farg is he doing
I'm not even remotley surprised.
butcher utley strikes again....the friggin catcher was running chase you didnt have to barehand it...you have a enough problems catching with your glove
Marlon Anderson would have made that play.
Chase Utley just turned into David Bell.
Same shtein he pulled last year at home against the Mets. Guarantee you the Nats take 2/3, we sweep Florida and finish 1 game behind LA.
golden boy utley should have had that play
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 09:39:03 PM
why does charlie not have a lefty ready to come in to face schnieder....what the farg is he doing
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:-D
Just to let you know, the Dodgers are up 3-1 in the 5th in Colorado. :boom
Come on, Jimmy! Get on base!
STOP DANGLING HOPE IN FRONT OF MY FACE AND THEN PULLING IT AWAY
Sonofa.............. :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
victorino is gonna get absolutely blown away this at bat
Bring back Stocker.
Utley is going to pop up.
Dodgers are up 3-1 in the 5th in Colorado
they just showed four dodger fans goin crazy when victorino k'd
Utley's 0-for-6 vs. Cordero. :boom
Hey guys let's swing at everything!!111
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 26, 2006, 09:47:52 PM
:-D
Just to let you know, the Dodgers are up 3-1 in the 5th in Colorado. :boom
Make that 5-1. :boom :boom :boom :boom
Utley gets on, Howard up. Think they'll pitch to him? :paranoid
farg that run last inning
we are going to lose
it doesnt really matter if they pitch to Howard or not
Boooooo Howard
people are learning how to pitch howard now..not so much to get him out because hes been hitting real well but right now hes pretty easy to keep in the park simply by pitching him inside...he has to learn how to adjust in the offseason or he will never see anything out over the plate for the rest of his career
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 09:53:08 PM
farg that run last inning
Farg the three runs the Phils should have had on Utley's homer-that-wasn't.
Farg the umps for blowing the call.
Farg Utley for not knowing the call was blown.
Farg Brett Myers for walking two and allowing them to score in the 4th.
Farg the offense for getting 10 hits off Valdez in five innings and only managing to score 2 runs.
aim convo right after howard ends the game:
Quotesweetdude3: i know
Sixersfan243: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
sweetdude3: i cant believe this team
sweetdude3: i cant believe i actually fell for it
Sixersfan243: im going back in time and un inventing baseball so i dont have to deal with this shtein
sweetdude3: this is horrible
Sixersfan243: farging loser
sweetdude3: farging bullpen everytime
Sixersfan243: utley the funhole
sweetdude3: why cant we have a farging bullpen like every other farging good team
Sixersfan243: burrell the douche
Sixersfan243: farging fargers farging farg
sweetdude3: dodgers are up 6 1
Sixersfan243: great
sweetdude3: we cant do this
sweetdude3: we blow
Sixersfan243: i know
sweetdude3: we will lose out
Sixersfan243: losers losers losers
Sixersfan243: farg
Farg Utley for not knowing the call was blown
this is crucial too...because the way rfk is built with it being a football stadium you almost have to run out to the first baseline from the dugout to see that ball...thus no one in the phils dugout could argue it...utley had to do it..not sure what he was looking at...if he was looking at all...there were a ton of phillie fans down the line going crazy saying it hit the pole
Quote from: MDS on September 26, 2006, 10:00:14 PM
aim convo right after howard ends the game:
Quotesweetdude3: i know
Sixersfan243: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
sweetdude3: i cant believe this team
sweetdude3: i cant believe i actually fell for it
Sixersfan243: im going back in time and un inventing baseball so i dont have to deal with this shtein
sweetdude3: this is horrible
Sixersfan243: farging loser
sweetdude3: farging bullpen everytime
Sixersfan243: utley the funhole
sweetdude3: why cant we have a farging bullpen like every other farging good team
Sixersfan243: burrell the douche
Sixersfan243: farging fargers farging farg
sweetdude3: dodgers are up 6 1
Sixersfan243: great
sweetdude3: we cant do this
sweetdude3: we blow
Sixersfan243: i know
sweetdude3: we will lose out
Sixersfan243: losers losers losers
Sixersfan243: farg
So which one are you? Not that it's really going to make a difference.
figure it out for yourself, sassy.
sweetdude3: i cant believe this team
sweetdude3: i cant believe i actually fell for it
anyone who believed they were gonna make the playoffs gets what they deserved...
with some proper changes made this teams time is next year...always was
Too bad Gillick is a senial farg who has no idea what he is doing anymore.
theyre never gonna do it. its a loser franchise. theyll choke.
Horrible loss.
Great display by Vagina Pat again. Strike out king of Philadelphia.
Utley had a HR.
Utley also busted out the meat clever tonight again....nice play on Schneider, jerkoff. Butcher.
It was nice to hear Pat get killed in DC too.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 10:04:15 PM
Too bad Gillick is a senial farg who has no idea what he is doing anymore.
What?
And how does Jose Vidro become Two Scoops Tony at first?!?
He dug everything out.
And a great job by Mike Bourn too.
FARG this. If they lose tomorrow its over.
Who pitches? I hope its Hamels.
hamels
so wait, the Phillies got to first place in the Wild Card and proceeded to lose two in a row? color me shocked.
First time they've ever blown any kind of lead in franchise history.
Goddamn bums.
If Burrell is in the lineup tomorrow someone should run on the field and kick his ass.
IGY? I got bail money.
Dellucci will probably be just as bad, but anyone beats Burrell.
i will be there....but im not taking an L on account of that bum...maybe ill hit him with a poisonous blow dart tho
:-D
I wonder if mp would jump in front of that blow dart to save his boy?
Time to go drink. I wish the Dodgers game was on TV.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2006, 10:15:54 PM
hit him with a poisonous blow dart
IN for $50 of bail money if you do.
There's always next year.
Why wouldn't Manuel come out and dispute that Utley non-HR?
Burrell is the worst player in major league baseball history.
The Phils still probably make the WC, but it'll definitely be close. I could very well see the one game playoff. The Phils just gotta keep winning. The Dodgers will drop at least 2 of the rest of their games.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 26, 2006, 11:48:18 PM
Why wouldn't Manuel come out and dispute that Utley non-HR?
Burrell is the worst player in major league baseball history.
Apparently, from what IGY said, you cannot see down the lin while in the dugouts since it is a football stadium, So he wouldn't have seen it.
However...Chase and Marc Bombard should have seen it. I just watched the highlights on ESPNews and that sonofabitch hit off the pole. No doubt about it.
From the Yahoo game story;
Quote"Two Nationals players said they heard the ball hit the foul pole."
LJGIKHSFKJHFSJGDJGHFDWIRIOfargOIUWTJHG >:(
I could swear it hit off the black then hit the pole. But...if not...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking godamnit.
Utley and Manuel said that after watching the reply they are convinced it hit too.
Goddamn sonofabitch.
The season is on the line tomorrow. I'm nervous. And scared.
HOld me, MDS.
QuoteBy Todd Zolecki
The Philadelphia Inquirer
WASHINGTON — Charlie Manuel had fire in his eyes when he left the visitors' clubhouse Tuesday night at RFK Stadium.
It looked like he could have throttled somebody.
He had his reasons. The first reason appeared to hit the right-field foul pole in the top of the second inning of Tuesday night's 4-3 loss to the Washington Nationals at RFK Stadium. The second reason stared a hole through him from the box score: an anemic 3-for-14 performance with runners in scoring position.
The critical loss dropped the Phillies one game behind the Los Angeles Dodgers in the National League wild-card race with just five games to play. That means the Phillies no longer control their destiny.
So when Manuel wakes up today, which will bother him more: the three-run home run that Chase Utley apparently hit in the second that was ruled a foul ball by first-base umpire Rob Drake, or his team's miserable performance in the clutch?
"Both," Manuel growled. "The same."
"We were lucky," Nationals manager Frank Robinson said afterward.
Apparently.
But Robinson wasn't referring to the alleged home run or the Phillies' missed chances. He was referring to the fact that the Nationals held Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard to a pair of singles and just one RBI. Howard flied out to left field with the tying run on first base with two outs in the ninth inning to end the game.
"We got lucky," Robinson said. "I'm serious.."
Some Phillies sat quietly in the clubhouse afterward and watched the Dodgers spank the Colorado Rockies at Coors Field. Others watched video of the controversial call.
The umpires would not comment after the game.
"It's not even close," Jimmy Rollins said, standing with teammates behind the video screen that appeared to show the ball hitting the foul pole square in the middle before kicking to the right.
"We all thought it was a home run," bullpen coach Ramon Henderson said.
"We were all looking at each other like, 'Is it? Isn't it?' We thought it was," reliever Geoff Geary said.
But Utley never argued. Neither did first-base coach Marc Bombard. Neither did Manuel.
"I thought I saw it," Bombard said. "From what everybody has said, I guess I didn't."
Bombard spread his thumb and index finger a few inches apart. That's the signal he gave to Manuel in the dugout, indicating the ball was just foul. There is no view of the right-field corner from the part of the dugout where Manuel was standing. He learned a short time later that the ball apparently hit the pole.
"That's why Charlie didn't come out and argue," Bombard said of the signal he gave to Manuel. "It's so close."
But there were other reasons the Phillies lost. They had 10 hits against righthander Ramon Ortiz in the first five innings. Overall, they stranded 10 runners.
The Phillies still had a chance in the ninth. Chris Coste hit a leadoff double and scored on Utley's two-out single to left. That's when Howard stepped in.
Robinson visited the mound to speak with closer Chad Cordero. "You created this situation — get yourself out of it," Robinson said.
Cordero did. But the Phillies mostly got themselves out. They wasted a nice performance from Brett Myers. In seven innings, he allowed six hits and three runs.
"I've got one thing to say," Myers said. "I cost us the game."
Hardly. The offense did. Maybe the umpire's call did.
"Tomorrow is a new day," Utley said.
But the Phillies will wake up in need of some serious help.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
I want to punch rjs right in his dumb face, but I pull this icehole stuff when the Flyers are pulling their early choke in the playoffs. So I can relate here.
QuotePhil Sheridan | No alternative: It's time to give up on hapless Burrell.
By Phil Sheridan
Inquirer Columnist
WASHINGTON - Pat Burrell is an easy target. That doesn't mean you hold your fire, not when a playoff berth is at stake.
So this column will adhere to the credo I picked up from a fictional CIA operative in a book so long ago, the title eludes me:
Kill without joy.
It won't be difficult. Burrell looks so miserable, you have to think it would be a mercy killing for Charlie Manuel to pull the plug on his season. That is precisely what the Phillies' manager must do - ASAP, stat and PDQ - before the Dodgers or Padres are spraying champagne to celebrate their wild-card clinch.
Umpires are easy targets, too, and TV replays showed that first-base ump Rob Drake blew a call that cost Chase Utley a three-run home run in the second inning. But we will hold our fire on the umps, for two reasons.
One: Drake was about 225 feet from where Utley's shot appeared to nick the very outside of the right-field foul pole. It was so close that neither Utley nor Phillies first-base coach Marc Bombard thought the ball was fair. No one in the Phillies' dugout - set way back in this old multipurpose dump - could see it at all.
Two: As Utley said, "It's unfortunate, but it was still early in the game."
In other words, the Phillies had time and plenty of opportunities to make up for the missed call.
"Somebody's got to see that," Manuel said. "But I'm not actually [griping] about the umpires, because we could have scored more runs."
Manuel can't control the umpires. He can't control what his hitters do. But he can control who those hitters are. And that's where the Burrell thing comes in.
With righthander Ramon Ortiz starting for the Washington Nationals, the lefthanded David Dellucci would have made perfect sense. As it was, Manuel dropped Burrell to the sixth spot, after Jeff Conine.
It didn't help. Burrell struck out with runners on first and second in the first inning, helping to douse a potential big rally after just two runs. After a single in the third, Burrell came up in the fifth with one out and runners on first and third.
He struck out on three pitches: foul ball, foul ball, flail at an outside pitch - just as it says in the How to Strike Out Pat Burrell pamphlet available in every major-league clubhouse.
In the eighth, with the Nationals out of lefthanded relievers, Manuel let Burrell lead off. He popped weakly to second base. Lefthanded pinch-hitter Randall Simon immediately drilled a single to left off reliever Jon Rauch.
It's easy to understand what Manuel is hoping against hope for in this situation. It makes sense. You've seen it before a million times in every sport. The coach or manager wants to show a player, and by extension his entire team, that he has confidence in him. The hope is that the show of confidence will pay off with a breakout performance by the player.
In the early part of the season, Jimmy Rollins was ice-cold in the leadoff spot. Manuel stayed with him, just as he had the year before. In 2005, Rollins responded with that epic hitting streak. This year, Rollins got hot and helped Ryan Howard carry this team back into contention.
"When you stick with a guy," Manuel said, "that shows a lot of confidence in him and he comes around."
It's an approach that works better on certain players than on others. For some guys, support is something they can lean on. For others, it's just a crutch.
"Pat hit some balls hard," Manuel said after the 4-3 loss dropped the Phillies a game down in the wild-card race. "My options there are Pat, Conine and Dellucci. I'm going to match them up. Pat had some pretty good numbers against the guy tonight."
Burrell was 2 for 5 lifetime against Ortiz, with two singles and two walks. Dellucci was 1 for 3 but had struck out twice against Ortiz. So those are the numbers.
The thing is, we're way beyond numbers now. This is about more than Burrell's offensive struggle. He is the last remaining vestige of the Phillies nucleus that has fallen short in its last several shots at the wild card. If this team in transition turned its season around after Bobby Abreu and David Bell were traded, it seems reasonable that it would benefit from having Burrell out of the lineup.
If Burrell hits a three-run homer in Florida this weekend to win the wild card, Manuel will look like a genius. From here, though, it looks like a better bet to put Burrell out of his baseball misery.
Instead of putting him out of BASEBALL misery, he should simply be murdered.
by stangelation
Guys his OPS is among the tops in LF's. He walks a lot and you underate his defense. Go Burrell!!
Your right...Bestest playa eva
Brett Myers...everything we ever hoped for in an ace.
Who pitched well last night.
I knew you'd say that. I'm shocked it took you so long to take a shot at him. He was totally the reason they lost! Damn him for not hitting with RISP. Damn the ace for giving up 3 runs!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2006, 11:39:54 AM
Who pitched well last night....
you mean pitched well last night after blowing a 2-0 lead in a matter of 3 innings. when if there was a time you needed a stud outting, this was it vs a bottom dweller while your team is in the drivers seat for the playoffs.
myers is not...and will not ever be an ace.
Right.
All Myers fault, bastich should've pitched a no hitter.
He held them to 3 runs.
They're zesty.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2006, 12:01:53 PM
Right.
All Myers fault, bastich should've pitched a no hitter.
He held them to 3 runs.
he gave up 3 runs...in 3 innings where the phils had a 2-0 lead. if you want to bash burrell in the context of his at bats...then myers is just as open to it.
that is pretty unclutch.
i'm not saying that lost the game. but that was not an ace-like preformance.
what more lost the game last night was utley's absolutely unexcusable butcher of a dribbling ground ball in the bottom of the 8th that he tried to get fancy with when you have 2 outs, the catcher at the plate. and 1st and 2nd. even if utley just gloves that ball and makes no throw whatsoever he saves a run.
Agreed on Utley. Barehanding a ball with Schneider running was stupid.
And I don't agree with the Myers thing. Yeah he gave up 3 runs but it was all offense as to why they lost the game.
If you recall they would've been out of the one inning but the guy stole 2B. Then Brett induces a ground ball on the next pitch and the run scores to make it 2-1. If that SB isn't allowed its an inning ending double play.
He left a cutter over the plate to Zimmerman, who owns him, and he hit it to give up two runs.
He pitched well enough to win.
Bourn's baserunning blunder was bad too.
This is the Phillies. Were you people expecting some kind of success?
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Let's look ahead, just for shteins and giggles.
1 game playoff on monday would be on TBS--not ESPN--and the awful Braves team would do the game. Yikes.
Phils would play wednesday and thursday in San Diego. Wednesday would be a 4/430 on ESPN(2). Thursday would probably be the same time and station, but has an outside shot of being on Fox at 8. But, they'll probably go with the Mets vs Cards/Astros instead.
Too tough to call when the weekend/monday games would be, but just know that the Yankees get the best timeslot, followed by the Mets. The Phils would probably be 3rd, but if the Cardinals make it, Albert Pujols > any other team.
Why the hell would those dicks do the game?
i wish youd OD on something
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 26, 2006, 10:05:25 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 10:04:15 PM
Too bad Gillick is a senial farg who has no idea what he is doing anymore.
What?
I have no confidence in him at all.
When he got the job he said "We need five more wins".
In spring training he said he did not add five more wins.
When he traded Abreu he told us not that the Phillies would not compete till 08 maybe 09.
When he got Moyer he was said he thought the Phils had a very good chance to win the wild card.
While it's great that he admits he is wrong, this and the general track record of his moves this year do not inspire confidence in me.
I give him a C- as a general manager this year. If this team makes the playoffs, it is in spite of Gillick. Not because.
I am still bitter from the Abreu trade.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2006, 01:11:42 PM
Why the hell would those dicks do the game?
ESPN declined on airing the monday games, and TBS has them. TBS in fact will have sunday afternoon (non braves) games and some playoff games next year, and will use those dickwads as their A team.
This just makes me hate Ted Turner even more.
Happy 57th Birthday to Michael Jack Schmidt
Schmidt did not suck.
Burrell sure does.
Please stop fishing or I will report you to the moderators of this board.
Thank you.
You should go fishing. Steve Irwin style.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 27, 2006, 06:21:08 PM
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Thank you.
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Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 27, 2006, 06:21:08 PM
Please stop fishing or I will report you to the moderators of this board.
Thank you.
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"::)"
But you're not a moderator. We can make fun of you all we want. Midget. :P
Actually.......have you had a job here since the Ask Freddie section went away? ;)
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Burrell benched. Coste 6th, Dellucci 7th. Oh happy day.
I suppose ESKIN reported this!?!?!?!?
nice
I love how Manuel is going to great lengths to not use Burrell as a PH for Dellucci. Or maybe hes just telling Dellucci that he sucks since a 40 year old and a 33 year old rookie are hitting ahead of him. Either way, Burrell isnt playing and I'm happy.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 27, 2006, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 26, 2006, 10:05:25 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 26, 2006, 10:04:15 PM
Too bad Gillick is a senial farg who has no idea what he is doing anymore.
What?
I have no confidence in him at all.
When he got the job he said "We need five more wins".
In spring training he said he did not add five more wins.
When he traded Abreu he told us not that the Phillies would not compete till 08 maybe 09.
When he got Moyer he was said he thought the Phils had a very good chance to win the wild card.
While it's great that he admits he is wrong, this and the general track record of his moves this year do not inspire confidence in me.
I give him a C- as a general manager this year. If this team makes the playoffs, it is in spite of Gillick. Not because.
I am still bitter from the Abreu trade.
You're crazy.
Wasnt Charlie obsessed with the R-L-R thing early in the season?
He has really ditched that. Kudos to him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2006, 07:01:13 PM
You're crazy.
You trust him?
I want to, but I just dont know if Gillick see's this team as the final piece of his legacy or a toy to play with before retirement...
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 27, 2006, 07:02:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2006, 07:01:13 PM
You're crazy.
You trust him?
I want to, but I just dont know if Gillick see's this team as the final piece of his legacy or a toy to play with before retirement...
Yeah. He's a good GM.
We'll see.
If he invests the Abreu money into good places this offseason you almost have to give him a pass for getting nothing in return.
farg yea
Utley doubles in Victorino, Utley safe at third on the throw by some miracle.
ha he headbutted the ball out
1-0 Phils
Utley just got lucky. He was out by a goddamn mile. Lucky Zimmerman dropped the ball.
Use your brain, Chase. Jeez.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
Use your brain, Chase. Jeez.
To be fair, he knocked the ball out of his glove with his head.
Leaving runners at 3rd with less than 2 out=phillies baseball
Conine pulls a Burrell.
Great job scoring Utley.
Goddamn idiots.
actually if gillick held back from making any of his offseason aquisitions...the phils may have clinched the wild card a week ago
i'm 97% sure the dude in the powder blue Phils uniform holding one half of the "King Cole" sign was IGY
Quote from: Wingspan on September 27, 2006, 07:17:57 PM
actually if gillick held back from making any of his offseason aquisitions...the phils may have clinched the wild card a week ago
Scott Matheison in the rotation, Burrell and Dellucci everyday? Yea, they'd be better.
Ryan Zimmerman is now officially a Phillie Killer.
Astacio is going to dominate tonight...watch
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2006, 07:28:44 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 27, 2006, 07:17:57 PM
actually if gillick held back from making any of his offseason aquisitions...the phils may have clinched the wild card a week ago
Scott Matheison in the rotation, Burrell and Dellucci everyday? Yea, they'd be better.
Padilla would be in the rotation o wise one.
Yea, he was really reliable.
Motherfarg.
Ryan Church doubles. Nook Logan scores.
WHY ARE THEY LETTING THIS TEAM SCORE?>!?!?!?
farg YOU JEFF CONINE
Death to Ryan Zimmerman and Nook Logan.
[wingspan]Cole Hamels is not good. He blew a lead when his team needed him[/wingspan]
What?
Conine really annoys me.
Really.
I am not mocking anybody this time. that is incredibly accurate.
Prediction of Phils lineup sunday in Flordia:
Bourn- CF
Sandoval- 2B
Hernandez- SS
Simon- 1B
Nunez- 3B
Thurston- LF
Ruiz- C
Roberson- RF
Brito- P
WELL BE HUNGOVER CELEBRATING WILD CARD TITLE ROFL LOL Please ban me, I have nothing to contribute. :afro O:) :CF :cfhead :drool :crazy :) ;) :D ;D :o 8) :-* >:D ^-^ :-D :sly :=) :evil :yay
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 27, 2006, 07:37:49 PM
What?
Conine really annoys me.
Really.
I am not mocking anybody this time. that is incredibly accurate.
What did he do to annoy you? What caused the outburst there? Him fielding the ball?
Or does he annoy you because he, at 40, is a better hitter than Pat.
Not really, I just dont like his batting stance.
tickle tickle tickle he he he
I know, its just damn hard to watch.
I'm sure you'd rather be watching the Burrell shuffle instead.
I can't take this.
Victorino playing way shallow and gives up a triple.
Castro on 3rd with 0 outs.
They're going to choke again. Sonofabitch,
Hey, mock Burrell all you want but when he doesnt swing and miss or watch a strike down the middle of a plate he has a beautiful swing.
God farging damnit.
3-1 now.
Kill me. Give me pills.
They just clocked Hamels fastball at 97 MPH.
WTF
Umpire Larry Vanover has apologized for last night saying "nobody feels worse about what happened than us."
Gee thanks, Larry. You're a swell guy.
Zimmerman now bunts for a hit.
hahahahahaha this is all to familiar
:-D :-D :-D
Butcher Utley throws away the inning ending DP.
Run scores.
JESUS CHRIST. CHOKE< CHOKE< CHOKE.
Two goddamn HUGE errors by Chase in two goddamn nights.
Why does this team pucker up like an icehole?
>:(
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4-1...Astacio dominating them like he's Pedro in his prime...terrible defense by Meat Clever Utley...
I gotta go jump off of the bridge into the Schuykill. Goodbye.
Wow.
Go Utley.
Hey, they called that one fair!
Don't jump just yet, Phreak. :-D
Chase goes upper deck. That wasn't foul, icehole umps!
But yet again - Chase giveth right after Chase taketh away.
4-2
Wopdee Doo. 1 back, dont expect more.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 27, 2006, 07:59:17 PM
Don't jump just yet, Phreak. :-D
I was headed out the door too.
I am going to watch Jericho.
Somebody let me know when Burrell comes up so I can partake in another joyous strikeout.
shtein forgot about that show. Ill have download the torrent.
BTW Ryan Howard needs to get a hit.
Finally.
Rollins get a double ona bloop shot to LF.
Babe scores
4-3.
COME ON SHANE!!
The Happy Hawaiian is up...
Phreak please keep the updates comin.
BTW, if a nuclear bomb was set off in NY would we(Philly) die? Cause that would kinda suck.
Shut it down! 1 run losses rule!!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2006, 08:18:39 PM
The Happy Hawaiian is up...
And K's.
Down by 1. Seems as if it may as well be 100.
Shane chokes.
He corkscrews himself into the ground as he strikes out.
Ground crew will have to dig him out of the batters box.
Bum.
Conine makes a great sliding catch by the wall in foul ground in RF.
2 outs.
Pitching change for the Nats, Chris Schroder is in. No idea why they'd bring in a righty with 2 lefties coming up but whatever.
And Utley gets another hit!
This guy blows. farging we better have the lead.
Nice.
Utley singles, steals 2nd and then Howard and Conine strike the farg out.
Losers. Losers. Losers.
Coste grounds out weakly.
iceholes.
This be it for Hamels. If Utley and Victorino don't farg up, things would be okay.
7th inning here we come.
9 outs left.
Have some balls and win the goddamn game you farging choking dogs!
Soriano pulls a Burrell and misses Nunez' fly to left.
He's on third with Simon pinch hitting for Hamels.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2006, 08:54:34 PM
Soriano pulls a Burrell and misses Nunez' fly to left.
He's on third with Simon pinch hitting for Hamels.
Simon walks... Michael Bourn sighting in 3... 2... 1...
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2006, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2006, 08:54:34 PM
Soriano pulls a Burrell and misses Nunez' fly to left.
He's on third with Simon pinch hitting for Hamels.
Simon walks... Michael Bourn sighting in 3... 2... 1...
Eh, so it was Roberson. Same difference.
ROLLINS TIES THE GAME!
Roberson to third.
Come on, Happy Hawaiian!
Jimmy comes through in the clutch, he's been on fire lately. All tied up at 4. 1st and 3rd 1 out Wristorino at the plate.
Victorino...if you dont get this run home...I will recreate Pear Harbor so fast....
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2006, 08:59:25 PM
Victorino...if you dont get this run home...I will recreate Pear Harbor so fast....
Thankfully the Nats muffed the double play. 5-4.
Whatever. It counts.
Wristorino grounds out but gets Roberson home. Bums up 5-4!
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2006, 09:00:35 PM
Whatever. It counts.
Which is more than you can say for Temple students.
Temple=we look out for our own. Many a media members from Temple in this city. MDS=have crappy job if he plays his cards right. Dum dum dum.
I think Ed Wade went to Temple.
So you have that going for you.
I'll get a job with the Phillies, kiss a lot of ass, become the GM and run the the into the ground. Done.
BTW Fultz=gay.
Ryan hit the bag.
Damn umps screwing the Phils again!
:boom
2-1 Rockies in the 4th
I did not know it was possible for the Phillies to be winning and the dodgers to be losing at the same time.
O wait nevermind we are about to lose the lead anyway.
4 out save Tom Gordon. farg.
what you smokin?
Out of that inning.
GET SOME DAMN RUNS!
:-X
It ain't ever easy. farging Tom Gordon. Game better be over.
Were you at teh game monday? It was college night and some skinny kid with temple sweatshirt was dancing on the fanavision and then started jumping around like an idiot when he saw he was on the screen.
I assumed it was you. He had a big jew nose.
0-9 as a PH
clutchy
I think Burrell almost fell over when he hit that foul ball.
k
Burrell sucks.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 27, 2006, 09:45:37 PM
Were you at teh game monday? It was college night and some skinny kid with temple sweatshirt was dancing on the fanavision and then started jumping around like an idiot when he saw he was on the screen.
I assumed it was you. He had a big jew nose.
Good guess. I do not dance though. I have some sense of shame. But I am skinny and have a nice Jew nose. So, it could've been. I'll be at game 3 saturday, ya heard.
4-1 Rockies
yay
Conine bases juiced insurence come through old man
Conine sucks.
The Phillies really are trying to kill us. :boom
PITCH A DAMN STRIKE, GORDON!
Bases loaded for Zimmerman.
Game over in 3... 2...
farg you Gordon.
Austin Kearns trying to pull a Kirk Gibson.
Except he is not even going to have to swing the bat to win the game.
Kearns swings at Ball 4. Yikes. Gordon can get AIDS.
We're going to extra innings boys and girls.
They're not winning the Wild Card. Forget about it.
Dodgers now up 5-4. :boom
Baberaham!
That ball was clearly not out of the ball park.
Harry is senile. This is making me sad.
Wheels reminded us for the 20432940329th time about the large size of RFK Stadium.
It doesnt really even matter if by some miracle we make the playoffs. You cant win in the playoffs without a bullpen. Especially a closer.
Umps are hosers. Gordon is gay. I'll lick Gearys balls if he gets these 3 outs.
He's awfully worried about Nook. Prime to serve up a gopher ball.
farging Logan.
HOWARD flashing the leather! :o
Tied again. They lose here and the Dodgers hold onto win its all but over.
To be fair, we could probably win the NL Central. Maybe.
Hahahaha. Hahahhaa.
I can't take this shtein!
Poor defense.
Horrible baserunning.
Atrocious bullpen.
zesty hitting.
WIN THE MOTHERFARGING GAME FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
And Rick White gives a walk up to start off the inning.
At least Frank is out of players.
Watch the goddamn pitcher hitting kill us.
I hate this shtein. HATE.
Nook Logan. It'll end here.
Despite Richard White trying to walk everyone....the inning is over.
And we go to the 12th.
Christ Coste....time to keep the cinderella story going. How about a nice long drive to deeep left field.
The heck with the Phillies. I'm going to bed. 5:15 comes too damn early.
Clay Condry next in line to come in. Joy.
i cant believe i forgot why i hated the nats so much
Coste singles to LF...
Mike Bourn up.
Dodgers 1 out away from winning
Bourne bunts him over. Bourn, as a rookie, is already the best bunter on this team.
Babe Noonyez up.
Bunting to move the runner up to second for Abraham Nunez is stupid.
Yeah because it totally failed last time, mp. That is the right call.
Dodgers win. :-\
This is true. Nunez is the gay.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2006, 11:14:55 PM
Yeah because it totally failed last time, mp. That is the right call.
Dodgers win. :-\
Totally oh my gosh!!
Nunez out 4-3.
Coste to 3rd.
Ruiz PH'ing.
Gimme a wild pitch here. Or a single. pLEASE
I.hate.small.ball.
Son of a bitch. They suck.
Ruiz farging pops out to the goddamn shortstop.
Jeezus Christo.
We're going to lose.
QuoteEstrada likely to join exodus from Arizona
Bob McManaman
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 27, 2006 12:00 AM
SAN FRANCISCO - This won't just be the end for Luis Gonzalez and, potentially, Craig Counsell. When the Diamondbacks close out the year with four home games Thursday through Sunday at Chase Field against San Diego, it figures to be the end of the road for catcher Johnny Estrada, too.
At least in an Arizona uniform.
Estrada finally said as much on Tuesday and General Manager Josh Byrnes, in his strong public comments to date, acknowledged the Diamondbacks will probably try to trade Estrada after this season.
"We feel like with (Miguel) Montero's development, he is certainly a candidate to be major-league ready and obviously, (Chris) Snyder has had a good year," Byrnes said. "Maybe Johnny is frustrated because of that, but he has played very well for us, too, and we think a lot of him as a player. But we'll go into the off-season with a surplus there, and we'll see if we can use it as trade bait."
Estrada, who has had personality clashes with manager Bob Melvin and pitching coach Bryan Price, said he is counting down the days and will be happy to move on, noting his decreased playing time. He has been particularly unhappy about not having caught Brandon Webb during the ace's past four outings, including Tuesday night against the Giants at AT&T Park.
Melvin considered starting Estrada but changed his mind, saying of Snyder and Webb: "I liked the way they've worked together the last three times."
Estrada, who is arbitration-eligible in the off-season, meaning the Diamondbacks control his rights, said his preference would be for Arizona to work out a trade that would send him to Philadelphia. The Phillies signed him in 1997 after drafting him in the 17th round that year.
"They're a team that obviously has a good nucleus of players; they're going to need a catcher, and I've been there before, I know their whole coaching staff and they know me," Estrada said.
"I know what Philly fans expect, too. I know it's a tough place to play, but the bottom line is they want a winner on the field, and they don't care how you do it. They want you to win; they don't want just a bunch of yes men."
Estrada had his share of run-ins with then-Phillies manager Larry Bowa, but said a lot of other players did, too.
"I saw Larry Bowa single-handedly run Scott Rolen out of town my rookie year," he said. " . . . Having to be thrown into that kind of fire with that kind of manager, it was a pretty rude awakening. But I wouldn't change it for the world, because it made me who I am."
His other top choice would be getting dealt to San Francisco, which isn't far from where he was raised. He thinks it's doubtful, however, that the Diamondbacks would consider trading him to a division foe.
Interesting.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2006, 11:19:08 PM
We're going to lose.
Was there ever any doubt? They're gonna drag this out as long as possible to extract the maximum amount of pain from the few Phans who think they have any chance whatsoever.
Wasn't aware that Bowa ran Rolen out of town. Maybe he'll tell us that Lofton was a fleshpopbag and nobody liked him.
Jeff Conine is 0-6 tonight. Thats nice.
Condrey > Flash.
Rollins - Victorino - Utley due up.
I really liked and hated Bowa as a manager at the same time.
He was horrible at actually managing the players, but he made me laugh.
I'm loving the big pack of Phils fans. Numbers keep growing. They can jump off the same bridge together when we end up blowing this.
Wheels says they're toast if they lose...no shtein, Chris. Thanks for that nugget of info you goddamn icehole.
Great AB by Rollins....
Shane singles.
Utley up. HIT A GODDAMN HR.
Or a triple to get the cycle.
It won't matter. We wont be able to hold the lead.
Hey Howard is up again so he swing at more balls in the dirt.
Conine with his 100th chance to contribute. Let's see if he can.
GOD fargING DAMNIT
Ah, yes. Wheels tells us that Chase has to look "middle in". Jerkoff.
Come on CHASE!!!
And now its a full count...was 3-0.
Chase pops out as Shane is running. A SORRY ASS GODDAMN POPOUT TO 2B!
Howard up. Frank IBBs him again to put the go ahead run in SP.
HEY CONINE----GET A MOTHERFARGING HIT icehole
Phillies are THREE FOR SEVENTEEN with RISP.
3/17.
Can Conine make it 3/18?
GET A HIT YOU CHUMP.
Alright, Pat Burrell. Nice try.
HE PLAYS LIKE PAT BURRELL.
Way to take a strike looking down the goddamn middle of the goddamn mothereffing plate!
RISP last night = 3/14
RISP tonight = 3/18
Total = 6/32 = .187
Choking dogs.
I'm hungry and refuse to eat until this game is over. Might be dead by then.
Why is this Bergmann cat shutting down this offense?
Why can't this team hit?
Why have they puckered up and choked?
Why can't anyone get a clutch hit?
Why did Jeff Conine sticka knife in our chests in 2003 and then does it again in 2006 but while on the team?
Why?
Why do I love the Phillies?
I have to piss and I need another beer.
I hope this goes 21 innings.
Conine=David Bell
Burrell=fast freddie
Condrey is the money
Who is left on the bench?
Lieby and Hernandez?
Who is left in the pen?
Brito, Dirty Sanches....who else?
This is going to wind up as a giant waste of time.
Cinderella Coste doubles to the RCF gap!!!
And he'll get stranded on 2nd. Watch. I bet MDS' life on it.
While bunting there makes slightly more sense.
I typed that before Bourn was safe.
Bourn = god.
Excellent bunt. Great job bunting all night long.
Coste to 3rd.
Now they'll hit into a DP and strike out. I swear I'll kill my neighbor if that happens.
Fabio Castro up and warming in the pen. I'm shocked. :o
Nunez grounds out to short...they can't flip a DP because he can't field it standing up.
2/3rd with 1 out.
Jose Hernandez PH'ing. He'll strike out.
I knew it.
I motherfarging knew it.
They were going to blow this.
Hernandez hits it to SS....Coste going on contact, SS juggles and he STILL hoses him at the plate.
WHAT.
THE.
FARG.
i am checking myself out right now and i must say i am very hot
Jimmy Rollins is my hero.
2R triple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now Fabio Cicehole will blow it.
JIMMY!!@@@!!!@@@@@!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!@@@@@@@!!!
Hawaii 5-0 tries to bunt..no can do.
Inning over.
8-6 heading to the bottom of the 14th.
I swear to god if they blow this lead I will walk outside and sit in the middle of the street until a car runs me over. I will do it and take pictures.
I am sitting here going on a farging rant to my Yankee fan roomate during this innning, and what the farg. They'll blow it. But that Phillie fan pack is pretty cool.
You were about to farg your Yankee fan roomate? What?
James Calvin Rollins is Jesus.
farging Fabio throw a strike. Don't get me going.
Here we go.
Here the farg we go.
Fick singles to LF as Conine dives and can't catcht it.
They'll blow it. Even with this pitcher pinch hitting.
ahhhhhhhhh not again
farg Conine...he's brutal tonight. Still better than Burrell, though.
dear god
Hahafunnyhaha, hahafunnyhaha, hahafunnyhaha...
APINCH HIT BY THE PITCHER.
1st and 2nd with 0 outs.
I told you they'd fargin blow it
this is a joke. a joke. ahha funny. farg fabio back to cuba rafter.
Oh my God they're gonna farging blow it!
Give me a bullet. And a gun. And a bodybag
Bases loaded as Castro almost throws it away and Utley can't field it.
All joking aside...I can't believe this. I swear to god I cannot farging believe this horseshtein.
Flyball to CF...sac fly.
Harry says he left too soon. Did he? Who knows.
Vic throws to 3rd to keep runners at 1st/2nd.
Scheider is a phillie killer...he'll kill us...watch
8-7 runners on 1/2 with 1 out
1-0 count
kill me
Those aren't real Philly fans there, I haven't heard one E-A-G-L-E-S chant all night.
BUTCHER!!!!
Utley makes a great play. Way to go, Chase. Finally this joke is over.
DOUBLE PLAY!
WOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Great play by Utley!!!!!!
BUMS WIN!!! BUMS WIN!!! BUMS WIN!!!!!!!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 28, 2006, 12:01:28 AM
Those aren't real Philly fans there, I haven't heard one E-A-G-L-E-S chant all night.
And Wheels is just now getting into his "this is a crazy game" schtick.
And NO, i repeat no mention of the infamous dancing bears.
Nice win.
They're still chokers though. These sonsabitches are so tight it's like a virgin convention out there. Tight asses.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 28, 2006, 12:01:28 AM
Those aren't real Philly fans there, I haven't heard one E-A-G-L-E-S chant all night.
It is just about the most obnoxious thing you can do at a phillies game.
The Phils live to lose another day. :yay
Anyone else feel like they've just went 12 rounds with Iron Mike?
what a crazy, emotionl roller coaster night.
I have to pee. I almost urinated myself sitting here.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 28, 2006, 12:03:52 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 28, 2006, 12:01:28 AM
Those aren't real Philly fans there, I haven't heard one E-A-G-L-E-S chant all night.
It is just about the greatest thing you can do at a phillies, flyers, sixers game.
Fixed.
2 of my roomates just gave me the "what the hell is wrong with you treatement" for acting like a complete freak the last hour or so. I mean sporatic shouting and cursing and throwing shtein and baging my hand against the wall. I believe the reaction after the DP was "farg motherfarger farg yea." I need some food. farging mother of god what a game.
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2006, 12:11:55 AM
2 of my roomates just gave me the "what the hell is wrong with you treatement" for acting like a complete freak the last hour or so. I mean sporatic shouting and cursing and throwing shtein and baging my hand against the wall. I believe the reaction after the DP was "farg motherfarger farg yea." I need some food. farging mother of god what a game.
Yep. That is exactly how I've been all night too.
I feel like I have Tourettes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGrewst9tnM
The last 6 or 7 pages of this thread are hilarious. Thanks for making me laugh, bitches!
Good lord. I'm still pumped. Time for The Wire.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 28, 2006, 12:25:20 AM
The last 6 or 7 pages of this thread are hilarious. Thanks for making me laugh, bitches!
Word.
187 game six stanley cup finals
2004 nfc championship game
tonight
the three greatest sporting events ive even been to
20k in the satands tonight
10k phillie fans
after the 9th inning
15k in the stands
9k phillie fans
and we all congregated along the left field foul line
non stop phillie chants
eagle chants
hare-ree kal-iss chants
phillie players were coming out of the dugout in between innings and high fiveing the fans along the line
fist pumping
saying keep it up
youre keeping us going
and to top it off i got on local tv with my 'king cole' sign
then the game itself
amazing
ive known the phils arent making the playoffs for a long long time
but tonight was my playoff game
hyperbole aside ill never forget it
i called and woke up like seven of my peoples after the game
just had to tell someone
now its your turn
How on earth can you compare a regular season baseball game to hockey/football playoff games?
I know you're a fan and all but that's just awful.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2006, 12:45:26 AM
phillie players were coming out of the dugout in between innings and high fiveing the fans along the line
fist pumping
saying keep it up
youre keeping us going
and to top it off i got on local tv with my 'king cole' sign
SunMo spotted you on CSN. He mentioned it earlier in the thread.
Good job on the cheering. It was amazing on TV. ESPN was even dishing out props.
Which players were high fiving y'all?
Bet it wasn't Pat Burrell.
Yea you guys were really awsome. I kept lookin for my boy but he didn't even turn out going to the game. So whatever. That 5 hour painfest means shtein if we lose tommorrow.
pat burrell swung and missed at a high five.
wow, neat game. almost felt like playoff baseball. would've been real sweet if they actually still had the lead. or were even tied. all will be told tomorrow.. if they lose 2/3 to the nats, they dont deserve it anyway.
Whose getting up at 9 and getting playoff tix? memememememememe.
They actually managed to take the lead and hold it for an inning, huh?
Four games left, Phils pretty much have to win out to have a decent chance. Dodgers seem to have pulled their crap together.
TWICE they blew leads and lost games that could have been easily won. :boom
Which players were high fiving y'all?
rollins did it for like three straight innings
conine wouldnt do it...despite much convincing...then in the 12th (i think) he finally came over and everyone went nuts
nunez and victorino did it also
How on earth can you compare a regular season baseball game to hockey/football playoff games?
i cant really explain it...you just had to be there...it was incredible
SunMo spotted you on CSN. He mentioned it earlier in the thread.
i called him after the game...hope i didnt wake the kiddies
SunMo loves you more than his own children anyway.
yeah but his wife doesnt
You could take her in a fair fight, though.
Conine goes 0-7 and then refuses to show any hint of a personality? Nice.
any luck with playoff tickets dunny?
I couldn't even watch the game after Geary blew it lastnight I turned it off and went to bed. I was suprised this morning to see that they won. It was one of the few Phillies games I could watch since I have been down here and I couldn't even watch the whole thing.
I got up at 9:10 and shtein was backed up by then. I be farged unless my boy got out of class and got 'em.
3 kids, and 3 words in Ice, Grillen, You
coincidence? i think not.
"Ice, get over here and clean your room"
"Grillen, stop hitting your sister."
i'm making it a reality
did you see our sign on tv or just me
fyi - dodgers go at 3:05 today
penny vs kim
i saw you, the sign, and your ceiling fan installation cat
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2006, 10:06:10 AM
did you see our sign on tv or just me
fyi - dodgers go at 3:05 today
penny vs kim
i'm pretty sure i saw you on sportscenter this morning. i wish i would have went last night.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2006, 12:45:26 AM
187 game six stanley cup finals
2004 nfc championship game
tonight
the three greatest sporting events ive even been to
20k in the satands tonight
10k phillie fans
after the 9th inning
15k in the stands
9k phillie fans
and we all congregated along the left field foul line
non stop phillie chants
eagle chants
hare-ree kal-iss chants
phillie players were coming out of the dugout in between innings and high fiveing the fans along the line
fist pumping
saying keep it up
youre keeping us going
and to top it off i got on local tv with my 'king cole' sign
then the game itself
amazing
ive known the phils arent making the playoffs for a long long time
but tonight was my playoff game
hyperbole aside ill never forget it
i called and woke up like seven of my peoples after the game
just had to tell someone
now its your turn
I should have checked to see if anyone was going to the game. I was sitting down there (left field foul line) from the 7th inning on. Good times. My wife was pissed at me for screaming the chants during the game, and arguing, shtein, borderline pummeling the piss out of some Nats icehole fan with his kid two rows in front of me from the 8th inning on.
I need an IGY screenshot
and if last night couldnt have gotten better....check my evening wager
Wager details for ticket number 35089410-1:
Wager Type: Spread (or run line)
Wager Status: Win
Risk / To Win Amount: 15.00 / 15.00 (USD) Accepted 9/27/2006 4:47 PM - EST
Amount Paid: 15.00
Sport / Period: MLB Baseball / Game
Line:
Washington Nationals 9/27/2006 7:05:01 PM - (EST)
+1½ +100
Pitchers: C Hamels -L - Must Pitch P Astacio -R - Must Pitch
So, you bet on the Nationals to cover a 1 1/2 run spread, meaning a Phillies 1-run win is a double-win for you?
not exactly tho it worked out perfectly that way
i really did and will do it again tonight because i want the phillies to win so friggin bad that if im there and they lose at least ill be leaving the stadium with some money in my pocket to go along with my miserable attitude
I've heard some people can have attitudes that are both miserable and refreshing.
YES!
three run homer rockies
penny is really struggling
I'm gonna wait till the 9th before I get wood, Coors field is a launching pad.
Good start, but the Rockies suck.
I'm gonna wait till the 9th before I get wood, Coors field is a launching pad.
bases loaded no out for dodgers
grand slam....game over....season over for the phillies
its the 2nd inning retard.
penny got yanked already
must have gotten hurt
how do the dodgers score any runs....their lineup is brutal
marlon anderson rockin the three hole
6-3 Dodgers :-\
8-3
james friggin loney has six rbi in two innings
god the rockies are bad
You were all setting yourselves up for disappointment.
Here's a theory:
QuoteJosh (Ann Arbor, MI): I'm excited for Philly home games, too...though I have this impending feeling of doom that this year is no different from the last several. We are simply not good enough to come up with those two extra necessary wins. Do you really think the Phils can do it?
SportsNation Bill Simmons: Don't count out a potential Saints-like conspiracy here. It's in the best interests of MLB to have Ryan Howard playing as long as possible in October - he's the first slugger since the 80's where we can definitively say, "All right, there's no way this guy is on steroids." I mean, he has 2 brothers who are both the same size, I think one's even bigger than him. They need Ryan Howard next month. He's a godsend for them.
Actually, read the whole mailbag (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=13017). Some other good stuff on the Phils.
WTF were worse than team hitting Marlon Anderson 3rd?
I'm excited for Philly home games, too...though I have this impending feeling of doom that this year is no different from the last several. We are simply not good enough to come up with those two extra necessary wins. Do you really think the Phils can do it?
to a tee....thats how i feel about the team...i knwo they arent making the playoffs but at the same time i cant help but get crazy over them...its a constant knife to the gut kind of feeling
8-4 men on the corners
and troy tulowitski on deck
8-5 runners at the corners first and second
8-6
holy shtein
tuttalowkwinski with the rbi...he the man
VINNY fargING CASTILLA SINGLES
ha
8-7
isnt castilla like 50 yrs old now?
dodgers up 8-7 now.
is anyone pitching that game? or they just tossing it to themselves like it's practice?
wild pitch runners at second and third for Matsui
yes that Matsui
Matsui walks on a full count
Bases loaded for Sullivan with 2 outs
actually Ryan Spighlborgs is pinch hitting for him
Okay...
TIE GAME
Singled, bases still loaded for Garret Atkins.
Aaron Sele coming in, third pitcher of the inning for the Dodgers.
HE SINGLES
2 runs score
Runners at the corners for Matt Holiday.
10-8 Rockies.
elway threw a TD pass
Holiday out.
Well I guess you could consider that inning productive.
holy crap.
HOLY CRAP WERE REALLY GONNA CHOKE BIG TIME
Gameday says Kent scored but philliesphans posters say 1st and 3rd...
Ramon Ramirez is a fleshpophead.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 28, 2006, 04:58:58 PM
Gameday says Kent scored but philliesphans posters say 1st and 3rd...
plausible deniability
ok NOW its 10-9
O no Loney is up
10-10 loaded 0 outs. WTF this game is insane.
and now it is tied
hey look, an out
Mr. Ham pops out.
it's 10 10 in the 5th...and there hasnt been an error yet
The Dodgers pitching is worse than the phillies.
id like to say that this will destroy the dodgers bullpen for the weekend except that the phillies just played a 14 inning game in which they had to use fabio castro
Furcal just grounded into a double play.
Yep IGY, but at least it could even the playing field somewhat.
How many innings did we have to use our bullpen for last night? LA is going to have to use their pen for 7.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2006, 05:07:29 PM
The Dodgers pitching is worse than the phillies.
Let's not get carried away.
The very Fabio Castro that elitist baseball fans at Philliesphans and what not have been going apeshtein over because he pitched well in mop up duty. The 2 times the guy has come in a meaningful spot, he has shtein the bed. Managed somehow to get through yesterday, helped blow on the Braves games in early September.
Meanwhile, Furcal does his best (insert any Phillie) impression and lines into a DP with the bases loaded and 1 out.
the past three pages of this thread made me smile, throw up, and smile again
Helton walks.
Meanwhile, Mark Hendrickson is pitching for LA. He used to play for Toronto, Tampa and Philly. The 76ers. He came to my elementery school for Reading Day or something and read us some dumbass story. We all asked if he could dunk, but he said he would rather read us a story. What a bitch.
Can somebody explain to me how these players can play at Coors field for 82 games and have such horrible power numbers?
Ianetta walks.
Runners on first and second for another player you have never heard of.
Yikes.
(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_425206.jpg)
game over
Kenny Lofton and Marlon Anderson go back to back? This is like a bad dream.
it just got worse. jose mesas pitching for the rockies.
14-10
16-10
Jose Mesa does it again.
i'm watching this game on Fox west. Holy shtein! This guy loney on the Dodgers has 9 RBI's so far! Hope Conine is watching this game and taking notes.
I am pretty sure this Conine's nap time
Maybe he is reviewing some old Pat Burrell tapes. Hey, it worked last night.
I think they should both look at video of Burrell's at bats in 02.
Wait, of him actually hitting the ball well or his prime of picking up slutty ho's at Spago?
I'm thinking tonights game is probably going to be rained out.
Probably gonna be real bad until around 10. Might have to make this one up monday, if it even will matter by then.
You guys just dedicated like 3 pages to the friggin Dodgers game. Losers.
Still not playing. Why not just call it. Game might not start until midnight.
They want the game to be played tonight...
Who is "they," Wheels?
MLB
Um so why can the Cardinals have a makeup game that may or may not be played on Monday?
Because MLB assumed they wouldn't suddenly pretend to be from Philadelphia.
Why the Charlie sucks chant at RFK?
What are the chances IGY did not start it?
First pitch: 11:31
Burrell just got a possible homerun taken away.
Nook farging Logan.
I HATE the Washington Nationals announcers. Loathe them. Stuck here in NC, there isn't another option for me either. :boo
Oh yeah, and I'm glad the Phillies are deciding zero runs should be sufficient tonight.
Hear them on clips. Sound really cocky for a team thats in last place.
Incredibly cocky, and really misinformed about other teams (at least the Phillies).
Ohhh. "Ryan Zimmerman is our George Brett. He'll be here for 20 years". That was as of a minute ago.
What.
I hate this farging stadium.
Wheels gives Nunez handjob for looking at pitches.
New J-Roll chant.
Well not really, but we came up with the TO chant so I guess it is OK.
Ha.
Ha.
Ryan Zimmerman. Eat it.
Victorino=burnt out. At least it's tied.
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2006, 09:11:22 PM
Still not playing. Why not just call it. Game might not start until midnight.
Had to be played tonight no matter what. They have a Dodgers @ Phils game scheduled for Monday night in case they finish tied.
I hope that error doesn't come back to bite them in the ass.
Burrell > Howard
GREAT throw Pat!
That called 3rd strike to Howard was lower than Ball 1....have to keep the strikezone consistent.
Aaron Fultz has been so bad.
3-1. Game/Season over?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 29, 2006, 01:19:23 AM
Aaron Fultz has been so bad.
3-1. Game/Season over?
That just about sums it up.
if they lose this the answer is yes.
Is anyone watching this on TV? How many people are in thsestands? 18,000 just announced???? That's gotta be a crock of shtein.
That's paid attendance. I think there is about 1000 (generous) right now.
Fultz, you still suck shtein!
Liebers problem.
This is kind of cool for me, listening to a game at 7:30 PM HST. That's the only cool thing about. Rest of it sucks.
Shut up. I'm tired.
agreed. and i only have it on gameday.
I'm still in shock over the Burrell single.
Then Coste hits into a DP.
4 hits thru seven innings in a literal "Must win" game against the farging Nationals. What a joke.
2 more at bats and i can stop watching this garbage.
8th inning is it. Like yea, this is it.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 01:26:43 AM
Shut up. I'm tired.
So am I. Teams yaking in clutch, must win games exhaust me.
It's almost 8:00 there. And you live at vacation.
but I'm missing Survivior for this shtein
fargaduck!
yippie! Conine gets to bat one more time!
Do the Phillies have some special plan setup with innercity handicapped organizations that require we have a certain quota of them on our team and allow them to pinch run in critical situations?
secret's out now.
And just incase we pretended like we wanted to have a chance in the 9th, Madson comes in to pitch the 8th to eliminate all hope.
Ryan Madson is teh greatness + Teh HoTness all wrapped in one big fluffy bottle.
150 and some odd games later and our season rests on matt smiths shoulders.
and here we go. if conine does nothing, cut him before he reaches the club house.
Quote from: MDS on April 02, 2006, 06:06:34 PM
(http://www.morofilms.com/images/screen/Tomas%20w%20gun%202%20head.jpg)
happy suicide watch season, everyone!
MDS,
Remember this?
:-D I knew this would happen.
Anyone believe?
Anyone?
no.
Way to go Chase. :boo
hahahahahahaha. nice at bat utley.
thats just about it. conine and dellucci arent doing anything.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 29, 2006, 02:01:24 AM
and here we go. if conine does nothing, cut him before he reaches the club house.
preferably with a very sharp, pointed object.
i hope pat burrell gets a chance to end the season by striking out looking.
it would only be fitting.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 29, 2006, 02:05:04 AM
i hope pat burrell gets a chance to end the season by striking out looking.
it would only be fitting.
naturally
I thought that was gone off the bat...
jesus h christ
well thats it. would need a sweep and the giants to take 2/3. unlikely.
cut them.
all.
farg me!
I knew the Nationals would just roll over ::)
:'(
2/3 to the Nationals?
roflcopter roflcopter lol lol lol. im roflcoptering around my room right now.
:poison
on the bright side, i wont have to worry about missing the game on sunday. on the down side, i just wasted the last month and a half following a pack of choking dogs.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 29, 2006, 02:02:02 AM
Quote from: MDS on April 02, 2006, 06:06:34 PM
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happy suicide watch season, everyone!
MDS,
Remember this?
Once again............................
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 02:09:26 AM
on the bright side, i wont have to worry about missing the game on sunday. on the down side, i just wasted the last month and a half following a pack of choking dogs.
5 hits tonight. I think choking dogs is a kind description.
It's been a long time since I've been this happy in baseball. I didn't want the Phillies to make the playoffs after they lost those 2 crucial games in a row. They don't deserve to make it. I'd rather see a team that deserves it to make it. Until the Phillies can prove they are worthy I hope they continue to fail.
Season over losers. :-D
oh great, we get to see them on ESPN tomorrow. farg man I love misery, love it.
Wouldn't it be funny if they ended up winning it?
They won't. Don't worry about it.
I wouldn't be able to enjoy it as my eyes would have been gouged out by Sunday night.
Weekend's free now. Maybe I can finally watch some NCAA football on Saturday.
Then they wouldn't have earned it, the Dodgers would have choked it away.
The Phillies were .5 up and didn't cease the opportunity.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 29, 2006, 02:22:46 AM
Then they wouldn't have earned it, the Dodgers would have choked it away.
The Phillies were .5 up and didn't cease the opportunity.
Truth be told, there's really only one team in the National League that
earned the playoffs. The rest are basically what the Rangers or Indians would be like if they weren't in the AL.
I hope they all die.
And Brian Schneider too.
FARG. :'(
Welcome to the emotional slaughterfest Phreak. You're late.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
I was at work. And then I watched the end of the game here at home. I punched my girlfriend, threw her out and shot my dog.
Go Giants and Go Barroid. I hope Barry eats HGH sandwiches this weekend.
Hey rjs, see any hot British chicks yet?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2006, 02:41:18 AM
I punched my girlfriend, threw her out and shot my dog.
That's all?
The only positive to tonight was my roommate almost being in tears because the Mets shutdown Pedro for the year.
womans bowling is on espn 2.
Featuring Jon Lieber?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 29, 2006, 02:45:40 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2006, 02:41:18 AM
I punched my girlfriend, threw her out and shot my dog.
That's all?
The only positive to tonight was my roommate almost being in tears because the Mets shutdown Pedro for the year.
You should punch him. Just for the helluva it. In the jaw.
I saw Patty Burrell on womens bowling. They put the bumper rails up for her.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2006, 02:41:18 AM
Hey rjs, see any hot British chicks yet?
Of course not. Well, I shouldn't say that. There are plenty of girls with outstanding bodies walking around. But jesus christ thousands of years of inbreeding sure has farged up these bitches' grills.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 29, 2006, 02:57:13 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2006, 02:41:18 AM
Hey rjs, see any hot British chicks yet?
Of course not. Well, I shouldn't say that. There are plenty of girls with outstanding bodies walking around. But jesus christ thousands of years of inbreeding sure has farged up these bitches' grills.
Next time you're out walking around or driving...count how many dentists offices you see.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 29, 2006, 02:22:46 AM
Then they wouldn't have earned it, the Dodgers would have choked it away.
The Phillies were .5 up and didn't cease the opportunity.
Actually, they did exactly that.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2006, 06:08:48 AM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 29, 2006, 02:22:46 AM
The Phillies were .5 up and didn't cease the opportunity.
Actually, they did exactly that.
Which is what they did last year. And what they'll do next year, God willing...
Bums. What a pack of losers.
No wonder everyone says Philly is choke city. And here i thought it had something to do with masturbation.
Can I just add, that while they choked like idiots last night, that game should have NEVER been played that late.
thats probably true...but you can only use it as an excuse if they had won and then had to play in florida tonight....the fact that they lost and are now out of it kinda takes the steam out of that one
the nationals played at the same time had a AAA lineup and nothing to play for and won
Agreed...I just wanted to throw that out there. I was furious when I saw they were going to play that game.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 03, 2006, 09:27:29 AM
no need to panic....it's only april...there's still 162 games left
::)
no need to panic....it's only september...there's still 3 games left
::)
Quote from: Wingspan on September 29, 2006, 10:46:50 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 03, 2006, 09:27:29 AM
no need to panic....it's only april...there's still 162 games left
::)
no need to panic....it's only september...there's still 3 games left
::)
hardy har har.
What a bunch of losers.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 29, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
Agreed...I just wanted to throw that out there. I was furious when I saw they were going to play that game.
normally i would agree, but you wouldn't feel that way if you actually waited through the rain. i haven't been that excited for a game to start in a long time.
for real...as hideous as the game was the experience was really dope....being in a 60k stadium with 800 people watching a real live major league game that meant something (to my team) will never happen again...$3 tickets with general admission seating three rows behind the phillies dugout was awesome and not to be overly melodramatic but its something im glad i can always say i was at
experiencing it all with matty was the cherry on top
tv superstar
oh and this too.....
Wager details for ticket number 35100566-1:
Wager Type: Money Line
Wager Status: Win
Risk / To Win Amount: 30.00 / 41.40 (USD)
Accepted 9/28/2006 4:00 PM - EST
Amount Paid: 41.40
Sport / Period: MLB Baseball / Game
Line: Washington Nationals 9/28/2006 7:05:01 PM - (EST)
+138
Pitchers: J Lieber -R - Action M O'Connor -L - Action
* Game Notes: RAIN DELAY
thanks phils you farging corksuckers
there was an albino sitting in front of you
Quote from: SunMo on September 29, 2006, 12:35:48 PM
tv superstar
did you see us? apparently we were on screen non-stop.
im pretty sure i saw igy a few times, not sure about anyone else
im glad i dont know what you idiots look like, so i couldnt even pick you out of a crowd.
Now that we're practically out of the playoffs, does Howard get MVP?
Times yours
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 29, 2006, 01:09:43 PM
Now that we're practically out of the playoffs, does Howard get MVP?
Times yours
doubt it.
he deserves it. but wont get it. pujols will.
unless they complete their slide too.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 29, 2006, 01:09:43 PM
Now that we're practically out of the playoffs, does Howard get MVP?
Times yours
Depends. If the Cards get overtaken buy Houston, I don't see why Howard shouldn't win it. Pujols is the only other legit candidate. Who else is there? Maybe Beltran?
No. Pujols gets it.
But the really interesting thing will be what happens when/if Heaven blows their lead aka '64 Phils.
Both MVP candidates outta the playoffs? Or do they (media) start swinging from Carlos Beltrans sack again then?
Echo? Echo? Echo? Echo? Echo?
Die. :-*
Keep hope alive!!
Phils sweep.
Dodgers get swept!
By the way - the corksucking Marlins are talking shtein;
QuoteFlorida lefthander throws down gauntlet
By Todd Zolecki
Inquirer Staff Writer
Them's fightin' words.
Scott Olsen, a rookie lefthander for the Florida Marlins who was ejected Sunday at Citizens Bank Park for hitting Abraham Nuñez with a pitch after he surrendered three home runs and seven runs in the third inning of a 10-7 loss to the Phillies, said he had been happy to learn he wouldn't be suspended.
"I want to make that start Saturday," Olsen told the Palm Beach Post on Wednesday. "I want to ruin the Phillies' season."
Marlins righthander Brian Moehler is scheduled to face lefthander Jamie Moyer tonight at Dolphin Stadium, where the Phillies open their final series with the National League wild card still to be decided. Olsen will face lefthander Randy Wolf tomorrow afternoon.
There were rumblings that Marlins lefthander Dontrelle Willis might not face righthander Brett Myers in Sunday's season finale because he had thrown 222 innings this year. But he is expected to pitch. There seemed to be little doubt that Willis would also like a shot at ending the Phillies' season.
That appeared to be a Marlins theme.
"I don't like them," reliever Taylor Tankersley told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "I don't want to see them get in... . At this point, that's our only motivation - to not let the Phillies get in."
Yo Olsen...cry me a river, bitch. I hope you get smashed in the face by a Howard line drive.
What? People don't like the Phillies? Wait a minute. Teams have problems with other teams that do nothing but lose and choke and lose and choke? Huh. Um. Ok.
BTW Lance Berkman could win MVP.
going back to the game last night, i know theres a lot of burrell hatred from most phils fans, for good reason, including me in that group, but taking him out in the 6th last night was retarded.
hit the warning track twice, had a single, and an oufield assist. he was the only one doing anything.
hell with the playoffs. After reading those comments from the marlins dickwads I hope we beat the living shtein out of them, I don't give a damm what's on the line. iceholes. :boom
pretty sure it was the seventh inning but regardless it was a moronic move...they were down by two...burrells run meant nothing at that point
Quote"[The long wait] wasn't good, but I can tell you one thing: We battled hard," said staring pitcher John Lieber, who allowed three runs in 5 1/3 innings. "They just battled harder than us.
Same thing I told my son's 10 year old flag football team when we were beaten by a younger team of 7-9 year old's. Well actually I said "You guys farging suck."
How can a team in last place with nothing to play for play harder than a team looking to stay 1 game back in the Wild Card? Losers.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
How can a team in last place with nothing to play for play harder than a team looking to stay 1 game back in the Wild Card? Losers.
The scoop down here is Frank Robinson isn't likely to be back next season, the management wants to head in a different direction, but the players love the guy, and want to send him out on a high note. That said:
The
Fillies can suck my balls for loosing two of three. Sacks of shtein.
Nice quote from Kevin Mill...er, Jon Lieber. Has he been taking Joe Gibbs media classes? Dolt. Way to get over and cover first icehole.
Hanley Ramriez triples...and scores.
Burrell doubles accidentally, moved over to 3rd and scores on a dribbler to the mound.
Tied 1-1.
Oh so NOW he shows up. :-D
Oh my god.
Burrell crushes a 3R HR.
He owns Moehler.
Great to see you finally stepping up, Pat. Too little too late, shteinface.
4-1 Phils.
2 games down with 3 to play=ELIMINATED
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 07:59:07 PM
Oh so NOW he shows up. :-D
Yep.
Seasons over so its Pats time to shine. He's in Miami and has South Beach on his mind.
They'll probably lose this by a game, again. Seems typical.
no pressure = no problem for pat
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 08:00:15 PM
They'll probably lose this by a game, again. Seems typical.
They're trying now.
Bases juiced although they have managed to get 2 outs. Pat almost butchered one in left though...
Geriatric Jamie works out of the trouble.
4-1 still...
For now.
I hate this team.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 29, 2006, 08:14:26 PM
I hate this team.
Be happy.
Your boy is 2-2 with a 3r bomb
It's his last series as a Phillie, he might as well give it an effort.
I will bet you your mother that Burrell will be back next year, for better or for worse.
Good point. Hope Pat enjoys Baltimore next year.
Jamie Moyer gets a hit.
OHMIGOD.
Huh. Imagine that.
Rollins doubles and would've had a triple had Moyer not been in front of him.
Noonyez scores.
5-1.
Scott Olsen is weeping in the Marlins dugout
Rodrigo Lopez, stillupfront's moms.
Wheels with his first bit of good information ever, telling us a quality baseball story. Who do you think it was? Kent Tekulve.
If they win the last three games and still miss the playoffs, at least they tried hard.
Kent Tekulve used to rock those old man sunglasses....and was a sidwinder.TEKE!!
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Quote from: FFatPatt on September 29, 2006, 08:23:33 PM
If they win the last three games and still miss the playoffs, at least they tried hard.
This post made me laugh, really hard.
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Would've been nice to see this YESTERDAY.
6-1 now. Vic singles
Utley up.
I hope Howard gets to hit...haven't seen a bomb in awhile.
Utley smokes one to Herges...can't handle it.
7-1 w/ Howard up.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 08:26:42 PM
Would've been nice to see this YESTERDAY.
Or Monday and Tuesday...
Or any other 3 games that we lost throughout the course of the year.
No, they nutted up in pressure time.
Dellucci hit by a pitch - or was he? - with the bases loaded.
8-1 now.
Noah Lowry can get a free world famous mpmcgraw handjob if he deals tonight. Some of us, me, get em for free.
i dare you to try to go 100 posts without mentioning me
you wont be able to do it
Sicko.
Coste 2R double.
10-1 now.
This angers me. Honestly pisses me off.
oh yea, but I would give Noah a hand job if he wins tonight's game.
I think I might be in love. But mpm is really good at pleasing men. But, yea, if Noah deals, I'd line up and pleasure him. Right after Phreak.
Rollins with another triple.
ha.
Victorino with a triple.
Save some for tomorrow and sunday for christ sake.
Pat with another homerun.
Yay.
Pat Burrell..i hate you.
ANother HR.
13-1
Great quotes by Olsen and Tankersly now.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 29, 2006, 08:54:31 PM
Victorino with a triple.
Save some for tomorrow and sunday for christ sake.
Who're you, Wheels?!?!
He just said the same thing.
mp = Wheels.
Nice touch adding your lovers school flag. I'm sure that'll earn you an extra night of lovin.
Give it a rest.
You would slobbering basically every other's player knob if they had done that.
We get it you hate Burrell. Join the fricken club.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 08:41:50 PM
I think I might be in love. But mpm is really good at pleasing men. But, yea, if Noah deals, I'd line up and pleasure him. Right after Phreak.
Ha. Sorry, Liberace. I don't swing that way.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 29, 2006, 09:00:05 PM
Give it a rest.
You would slobbering basically every other's player knob if they had done that.
We get it you hate Burrell. Join the fricken club.
No.
By the way - have I mentioned how useless Burrell is lately?
No, please elaborate.
mpm get off my cork
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 09:03:38 PM
mpm get off my cork
You have made about 20 posts between two forums that in some way have involved my balls tonight.
They are starting to get a little soggy.
Atlanta up 2-1 on Houston.
Vic is 5-5 now...
14-1
If somehow we do end up tying the dodgers, Monday is going to be absolutely crazy.
I wonder how many people will try to go from the Phillies tie breaker to the Eagles game. Traffic is going to be horrible.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 29, 2006, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2006, 09:03:38 PM
mpm get off my cork
You have made about 20 posts between two forums that in some way have involved my balls tonight.
They are starting to get a little soggy.
Atlanta up 2-1 on Houston.
Liar. You started it.
I wonder how much of that 13 run lead the Phils' relief pitching will give back tonight.
If Rick White pitches another inning, probably all of it.
By the way, can anyone explain the arcane (and retarded) reason that I'm not getting this game on TV? ESPN's just showing ESPNNews, and I live in Pittsburgh so it's not like I can watch the game on CSN.
3-0 giants in the 6th. ruh-oh.
Mike Stanton is a dead man.
Go Dodgers.
:'( :'(
Damn.
Best we can hope for is a playoff now.
It's a good thing the Phils scored all those runs. I'm glad they didn't waste them beating the Nats.
QuoteOlsen 'hates' the Phillies
BY CLARK SPENCER
cspencer@MiamiHerald.com
Scott Olsen makes no secret of his dislike for the Philadelphia Phillies.
The Marlins' brash rookie says he ''hates'' them and would enjoy nothing more than to bring about their elimination from the wild-card race. He will have some say in the matter today when he faces the Phillies in his final start of the season.
''I don't want to see them do it,'' Olsen said. ``We've already seen the Mets do it [clinch a playoff berth]. I don't want to see them do it, too.''
Not that he needed the extra motivation, but Olsen said he saw cases of champagne being wheeled into a storage room near the Phillies' clubhouse on Friday.
''I think if we beat them all three [games in the series], we should get that champagne,'' he said.
Olsen might want to consider his personal safety when he steps into the batter's box. The Phillies still might be sore about last Sunday's game, when Olsen struck Abraham Nuñez with a pitch in the ribs just after he had given up his third home run in a blowup third inning.
Olsen was ejected immediately and fined this week by Major League Baseball. Also receiving a league fine: Marlins pitcher Brian Moehler, who struck Phillies star Ryan Howard on Saturday, then told reporters after the game that he did so in retaliation for teammate Miguel Cabrera being struck the inning before.
Despite those incidents, Marlins manager Joe Girardi said he doesn't think there is any special hatred between the division rivals.
''I wouldn't say it's bad blood,'' Girardi said. ``No one's been hurt. I don't think it's been out of control.''
I hope Lieberthal tackles his punk ass
the only reason leiberthal is tackling a guy is to shower him with kisses
The one time i was proud of Lieby was when a batter went after one of the phils pitches and Lieby tackled him down better than Simoneau could(i know igys grandmother can tackle better than sims) I just hope the phils rock this kid with a line drive.
id like to see howard snap his neck...but theres no way he could catch him...and you know dook is staying on the mound if for any reason howard heads in that direction
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2006, 09:46:23 AM
Not that he needed the extra motivation, but Olsen said he saw cases of champagne being wheeled into a storage room near the Phillies' clubhouse on Friday.
Why do the Phillies need that? ??? Would be better if they wheeled some 151 out to the fans so they can forget that this choke job ever happened.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 30, 2006, 07:42:11 AM
It's a good thing the Phils scored all those runs. I'm glad they didn't waste them beating the Nats.
If the Phils donated 8 of those runs to 3 different games we'd be in the playoffs.
Randy Wolf=chump.
it really is amazing how closely this year resembles last year.....reason #17 why no one should have ever thought the phillies had a chance at the wild card
Go Padres and Dodgers.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 30, 2006, 05:10:32 PM
it really is amazing how closely this year resembles last year.....reason #17 why no one should have ever thought the phillies had a chance at the wild card
Nah. At least there's some promise for next year this time.
We pretty much had nothing to look forward to except Ryan Howard and Chase Utley coming into the season.
Both are up by 2 runs. Looking like tommorrow will be meaningless.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2006, 05:22:54 PM
Both are up by 2 runs. Looking like tommorrow will be meaningless.
Come on, where's your faith? We have to
will the Giants to win so the Phils have a chance!
Like we don't all know that the Phils would just lose tomorrow anyway.
You can watch the Dodgers-Giants game using that TVUPlayer thing from the Eagles section...
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 30, 2006, 05:34:33 PM
You can watch the Dodgers-Giants game using that TVUPlayer thing from the Eagles section...
watching on fox now, here we go top of the ninth 4-2 Dodgers.
Hey, my hats off to the Dodgers. What little Scotty Olsen is trying stir up pales in comparison to the hatred the Dogers/Giants organizations and their fans have for each other.
here we go, bottom of the ninth in SF.
Ok, swell. Now I get to spend all winter pondering what three games cost us a playoff spot - again.
Dodgers win. They're in. 3-1 SD over Arz top 9. 3 outs left in the Phils season.
It's all over, folks.
The Phillies aren't going to make the playoffs next year either, so don't get your hopes up. All this team knows is failure.
And yet you suck on the teat of Andy Reid.
Almost. There a chance our season could extend into the 7:00 hour!!
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 30, 2006, 06:38:31 PM
The Phillies aren't going to make the playoffs next year either, so don't get your hopes up. All this team knows is failure.
I did not think it was possible, but you know less about baseball than you do football.
And that is pretty pathetic.
of course they wont make the playoffs next year....they will regress or at best remain status quo while a bunch of the teams that were in and around the wild card race with them this year will get better
Lucky Louie Gonzalez leads of the 9th with a single.
Double Play :-D 2 outs
Ok now its over. Conor Jackson grounds out. Phils offically eliminated from the playoffs for the 13th consecutive season.
off to the bar to drink away another philly teams championshipless year....
lol, they were up .5 game on Monday and it took them all of 6 games to get eliminated at 2 out. that's a choke
:'(
Yup. Tommorrow afternoon will probably be Eude Brito. I was going to miss most of the game anyway, so now it doesn't even matter. What a waste of my time, again.
tomorrow they will score 17 runs, pat burrell with go 6-6 with 3 HR and 12 RBI
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2006, 06:46:44 PM
Ok now its over. Conor Jackson grounds out. Phils offically eliminated from the playoffs for the 13th consecutive season.
You must have some serious delay on that computer feed. The Yahoo! scoreboard had the score as a final when I posted before.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on September 30, 2006, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 30, 2006, 06:38:31 PM
The Phillies aren't going to make the playoffs next year either, so don't get your hopes up. All this team knows is failure.
I did not think it was possible, but you know less about baseball than you do football.
And that is pretty pathetic.
I forgot more than you know fool.
MLB gameday? Oh well, all in all, they choked again. Losers.
Quote from: SunMo on September 30, 2006, 06:49:45 PM
tomorrow they will score 17 runs, pat burrell with go 6-6 with 3 HR and 12 RBI
:-D :yay
Quote from: SunMo on September 30, 2006, 06:47:46 PM
lol, they were up .5 game on Monday and it took them all of 6 games to get eliminated at 2 out. that's a choke
Straight up choke job. Paul Hagen even wrote that they were going to make it. I blame him too. Jinxing bastich.
Dogs. >:(