The Hip-Hop Thread

[ice grillin you]

loosey i remember loosey

[hunt]

i've been listening to straight up sewaside all week....good shtein.  i lost track of them after hold it down.
they still around?

[mussa]

dead serious is the shtein 

[Dillen]

Kind of. Since Hold It Down, I think they've only made like one album.  I've seen a few skits where Dave Chapelle talked like their lyrics were with the "iggity" stuff.

[mussa]

my waist bone connected to my...thigh bone...my thigh bones connected to ma...knee bone...ma knee bones connected to ma...ha...hardy har har har

[ice grillin you]

more parks sausages mom please

[MURP]

PLATINUM SELLING RAPPER TELLS '60 MINUTES': WOULDN'T HELP POLICE CATCH EVEN A SERIAL KILLER BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT HIS BUSINESS AND VIOLATE HIS 'CODE OF ETHICS'
Thu Apr 19 2007 12:47:1 ET

Rap star Cam'ron says there's no situation -- including a serial killer living next door -- that would cause him to help police in any way, because to do so would hurt his music sales and violate his "code of ethics." Cam'ron, whose real name is Cameron Giles, talks to Anderson Cooper for a report on how the hip-hop culture's message to shun the police has undermined efforts to solve murders across the country. Cooper's report will be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, April 22 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

"If I knew the serial killer was living next door to me?" Giles responds to a hypothetical question posed by Cooper. "I wouldn't call and tell anybody on him -- but I'd probably move," says Giles. "But I'm not going to call and be like, ÔThe serial killer's in 4E.' " ( For an excerpt of Giles' interview, click here

Giles' "code of ethics" also extends to crimes committed against him. After being shot and wounded by gunmen, Giles refused to cooperate with police. Why? "Because...it would definitely hurt my business, and the way I was raised, I just don't do that," says Giles. Pressed by Cooper, who says had he been the victim, he would want his attacker to be caught, Giles explains further: "But then again, you're not going to be on the stage tonight in the middle of, say, Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, with people with gold and platinum teeth and dreadlocks jumping up and down singing your songs, either," says Giles. "We're in two different lines of business."

"So for you, it's really about business?" Cooper asks.

"It's about business," Giles says, "but it's still also a code of ethics."

Rappers appear to be concerned about damaging what's known as their "street credibility," says Geoffrey Canada, an anti-violence advocate and educator from New York City's Harlem neighborhood. "It's one of those things that sells music and no one really quite understands why," says Canada. Their fans look up to artists if they come from the "meanest streets of the urban ghetto," he tells Cooper. For that reason, Canada says, they do not cooperate with the police.

Canada says in the poor New York City neighborhood he grew up in, only the criminals didn't talk to the police, but within today's hip-hop culture, that's changed. "It is now a cultural norm that is being preached in poor communities....It's like you can't be a black person if you have a set of values that say ÔI will not watch a crime happen in my community without getting involved to stop it,'" Canada tells Cooper.

Young people from some of New York's toughest neighborhoods echo Canada's assessment, calling the message not to help police "the rules" and helping the police "a crime" in their neighborhoods. These "rules" are contributing to a much lower percentage of arrests in homicide cases -- a statistic known as the "clearance rate" -- in largely poor, minority neighborhoods throughout the country, according to Prof. David Kennedy of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "I work in communities where the clearance rate for homicides has gone into the single digits," says Kennedy. The national rate for homicide clearance is 60 percent. "In these neighborhoods, we are on the verge of -- or maybe we have already lost -- the rule of law," he tells Cooper.

Says Canada, "It's like we're saying to the criminals, ÔYou can have our community....Do anything you want and we will either deal with it ourselves or we'll simply ignore it.' "

[hbionic]

There are stupid mother fargers in our society. And then...there's fargs.

One of the reasons Hip-Hop is not what it used to be.

This farging 'street cred' bullshtein is for idiots.

People who base their like for music or anything for that matter on 'street cred' are fargers I want to stay away from probably in the first place.

It's sad that this is true. I'm one advocate of Hip-Hop...but just because  "Cam'ron" talks about emptying his clip on someone, doesn't make him a bad ass. He's no gangsta rapper. He's a big, wanna farging Hoyda.

This shtein is sickening.

[ice grillin you]

classic ish



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oLGjhpY9jM

[Diomedes]

on the one hand, you can't trust the cops...especially not if you're black.  so I don't get too upset when these cats say they won't talk.

on the other hand...Angela Dawson

[Seabiscuit36]

i hope killa cam gets shot and the police have to save his ass

[ice grillin you]

a couple years ago he got shot in dc in an attempted carjacking...he sunsequently refused police help...didnt want medical attention nor would he give any info to the cops about the incident

cam an idiot yes

cam fake no

[Seabiscuit36]

Honestly i dont think he's that great a rapper.  To me his crap that he puts out is whats wrong with rap today. 

[phattymatty]

a couple years ago he got shot in dc in an attempted carjacking...he sunsequently refused police help...didnt want medical attention nor would he give any info to the cops about the incident

cam an idiot yes

cam fake no

that was like last summer.

[ice grillin you]

that was like last summer

or the fall of 05