the season is one week away, and i wanted to get win predictions from everyone and we can check it at the end of the year. keep the other ST results and junk in the offseason thread until next monday.
as for me, i know you're not supposed to read too much into spring training results, but this team has not played well. Howard has started slow and was already probably not going to match his numbers of last year. Burrell is Burrell and will get his numbers, but usually not when they are needed. the starting staff should be better but injuries are already cropping up. the bullpen was a question going into the offseason and nothing has been done to reassure anyone.
they'll score runs, but they'll give them up too. lose Gordon for any amount of time and they are cooked.
86 wins, no playoffs.
how many games do they play?
Dio: 162 games.
I had high hopes for this team about three weeks ago and then they started playing actual games. Based on the moves they've made since last season and the way they've played during spring training, I'd say they'd be lucky to play .500 baseball this season.
But since I'm an optimistic schmuck, I'll say they'll start playing better defense, they'll get timely hitting, Gillick will solve the bullpen mess and the starters will consistently get 6-7 innings of work before falling apart.
Best guess: 88-74, no playoffs.
I'll guess 65 wins for the Phillies.
Now that I live in Baltimore, and since I've never followed baseball or supported any team, I'm now an Orioles fan. They'll win 100 games. Watch.
ive gone from possible world series team to no playoffs in the span of three weeks
as for record im more concerned with the april w/l record because i will be really pissed if they start out 10-16 again and officially take all hope out of me...20 of the first 26 vs the division
(3) vs atlanta
(3) at florida
(3) at mets
(3) vs houston
(2) vs mets
(2) at washington
(3) at cincinnati
(3) vs washington
(3) vs florida
(1) at atlanta
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 162 games left ::)
I'm thinking they may sniff a .500+ record, no playoffs.
91-71
Playoffs?
My prediction:
Slow start
92 wins
playoffs
Cool thread title
at the very least, i knew YOU would enjoy it
90 wins
Quote from: SunMo on March 26, 2007, 04:19:23 PM
at the very least, i knew YOU would enjoy it
Gracious
86 Wins
1 back of the Wild Card
1 of the last three series will be a sweep
Finish first in the NL in runs
Finish first in the NL in Errors
Only 2 on the opening day five man rotation will be healthy or still on the team by year end.
Cole Hamels - 15-7 3.12 ERA
Freddie Garcia - 8-2 2.17 ERA, 1 15 Day DL Stint, one 60 Day DL Stint
Brett Myers - 10-14 4.50 ERA, 1 DUI
Adam Eaton 10-11 5.02 ERA
Jamie Moyer 5-2 4.00 ERA, a special tribute held in september because of his untimely death from complications during surgery repairing his broken hip
Jon Leiber will pitch a perfect game, otherwise go 3-13 8.75 ERA
Ryan Howard will finish with 35 HRs
Pat Burrell will hit 45 HRs, 46 RBIs, and hit .168 overall
Aaron Rowand will break 3 bones
Charlie Manual will shoot a reporter in a press conference
Pat Gillick will be seen lighting a cigar with a $100 bill, and it will make the cover of the daily news
ha, nice wing...
it'd be funnier if it wasn't for the fact that 75% of what you wrote could really happen
Last, what, four years have been either 86 or 88 wins?
I'd say the over/under for the Fightins is 90 wins.
89 and no playoffs
CHOKE
The bullpen scares me. I'll need a blanky and a pacifier to watch from the 7th inning on.
However...
94 wins + playoffs
Homer, I know.
I'm gonna go with 52 wins.
114 if they trade Burrell.
I second Ed. I'm going with 91-71 if they get some good arms in the pen.
If they don't, and the bullpen returns to crappy form, I'd say 84-88 and missing the playoffs. I think they can contend for the playoffs this year.
Otherwise, I think 1 through 8 the Phils are just as strong if not stronger than the Mets, the Phils probably have a better starting rotation than the Mets, but the only thing that worries me is the bullpen.
I could see the starting rotation put in a good solid 6-7 innings every night and then have the bullpen blow the lead.
The Phils should score a ton of runs, again. It is just a matter of scoring runs more consistently instead of scoring a couple one game and then exploding for 12 another. I think it should be a fun season to watch.
I don't think Howard comes very close to his HR numbers or RBI numbers from last year, but the drop-off will be reasonable. For Howard, I'll go with mid-40s HRs (43-47), 130-135 RBIs, and hitting .300-.305.
ESPN's "expert" picks (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview07/news/story?page=07expertpicks)
Phillies
DIV = Buster Olney, Keith Law, Jim Caple, Pedro Gomez, John Shea
WC = Stark, Kurkjian, Steve Phillips, Eric Karabell, Enrique Rojas, Alan Schwarz
NO PLAYOFFS = Gammons, Jerry Crasnick, Rob Neyer, Amy Nelson, Phil Rogers, Bob Klapisch, Sean McAdam
Mets
DIV = Stark, Gammons, Jerry Crasnick, Kurkjian, Rob Neyer, Eric Karabell, Enrique Rojas, Bob Klapisch, Alan Schwarz, Sean McAdam
WC = Buster Olney, Keith Law, Amy Nelson, Phil Rogers, John Shea
NO PLAYOFFS = Steve Phillips, Jim Caple, Pedro Gomez
Braves
DIV = Steve Phillips, Amy Nelson, Phil Rogers
WC = Jerry Crasnick, Pedro Gomez, Bob Klapisch
NO PLAYOFFS = Stark, Gammons, Buster Olney, Kurkjian, Rob Neyer, Keith Law, Eric Karabell, Jim Caple, Enrique Rojas, Alan Schwarz, John Shea, Sean McAdam
Buster Olney (CLE), Keith Law (BOS), Jim Caple (MIN) and Alan Schwarz (NYY) all have the Phils losing the World Series...
Stark and Crasnick have Utley winning the NL MVP
Phillips, Caple and Klapisch have Howard repeating as MVP
NO PLAYOFFS = Gammons, Jerry Crasnick, Rob Neyer, Amy Nelson, Phil Rogers, Bob Klapisch, Sean McAdam
igy aids
You could at least try to make sense when you post.
I'd rather keep you guys guessing.
I don't know how many wins the Phillies will have but I guarantee it will be less than the number required to make the playoffs. They'll probably come within striking distance to trick some feebs into becoming emotionally invested in them yet again.
If the Phillies fool you one time, shame on them. If the Phillies fool you 12 times, shame on you.
Hopefully Howard will be good enough again to make the games worth watching.
The Phillies will win less than 90 games this year in the regular season.
I can't promise anything after that. The NL sucks, and after seeing the Cardinals win last year, anything's possible.
What the farg is up "a new hope." Is this a bad NFL Films team yearbook show?
Its a Star Wars reference, doofus.
Watched the Natural this morning (tradition I have abefore the Phils season starts), there's a show on ESPN right now called The Natural: MLB celebrates. Its basically commentary and background of the movie, never knew it but the part when Hobbs gets shot by that psycho chick was actually taken from former Phillies 1st baseman Eddie Waitkus who was shot. Here's some more on that story. (http://www.chatterfromthedugout.com/eddie_waitkus_affair.htm)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 01, 2007, 11:18:00 PM
Its a Star Wars reference, doofus.
That's even worse.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 01, 2007, 09:35:56 PM
I don't know how many wins the Phillies will have but I guarantee it will be less than the number required to make the playoffs. They'll probably come within striking distance to trick some feebs into becoming emotionally invested in them yet again.
If the Phillies fool you one time, shame on them. If the Phillies fool you 12 times, shame on you.
Hopefully Howard will be good enough again to make the games worth watching.
I don't know if the Phillies will make the playoffs, but they can't miss it forever. Even the Red Sox drought didn't last forever. Eventually the Phils will do it, so no reason not to get emotionally invested.
Unless you are a Hoyda and afraid to get your heart broken.
Salisbury totally ripped off the Star Wars motif from Mo. (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070402_Jim_Salisbury___A_New_Beginning.html)
:-D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 01, 2007, 11:29:48 PM
Watched the Natural this morning (tradition I have abefore the Phils season starts), there's a show on ESPN right now called The Natural: MLB celebrates. Its basically commentary and background of the movie, never knew it but the part when Hobbs gets shot by that psycho chick was actually taken from former Phillies 1st baseman Eddie Waitkus who was shot. Here's some more on that story. (http://www.chatterfromthedugout.com/eddie_waitkus_affair.htm)
QuoteEdward Stephen Waitkus (born September 4, 1919 in Cambridge, Massachusetts; died September 16, 1972 in Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts) was an American first baseman in Major League Baseball who had an 11-year career (1941, 1946-1955).
I don't think anyone cares.
I think it's where people go to die.
Well then at least they'll be drunk, well fed and surrounded by lesbians in their dying moments.
not the hot kind of lesbians, though
Mostly true. However, I have managed to spot that rarest of beast, the young hot lesbian couple, a few times recently. They obviously wanted me.
im about to hit the road to go to the game today
GO BASEBALL!
Must be nice to work for the gub'ment and get about 10 weeks of vacation a year.
1-3: Harry, Wheels, Sarge
4-6: Wheels, Sarge
7-9: Harry, Wheels, Sarge
Kill me.
Is that all season?
Wheels does the whole game all season?
What the farg are the Phillies thinking with this icehole?
Utley's batting cleanup with Howard in the 3 spot? Surprise, surprise.
Had a dream lastnight that Burrell went yard.
I actually like that idea.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 02, 2007, 12:53:22 PM
I actually like that idea.
I don't, Utley's a perfect 3 hole hitter and Howard's a perfect cleanup hitter, why tinker with that? The whole protection thing is overrated.
I don't mind Howard hitting 3rd. The only thing that comes into play is can he score on a gapper by Utley? The protection thing isn't overrated, IMO. Revisit that should Howard move back to 4th and then get IBB'd like Bonds because Patty Cakes is too busy flipping the bone to Tito or doing the Burrell shuffle.
So how many homeruns will the Phillies give up this year?
How about un-earned runs?
Did they win yet?
2-0 braves in the 4th.
season over
Pat Burrell is on pace for 500 K's
Jimmy Rollins is on pace for 700.
Christ. I'm watching on ESPN's Gamecenter. They give you stats on who is at bat.
Pat Burrell CAREER against Smoltz......1 for 29 (.034 avg.) with 16Ks.
Jimmy!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 02, 2007, 02:25:23 PM
Jimmy!
He's playing like Willie Mays Hays... in the sequel.
Sarge is brutal in the booth, far worse than Wheels. I actually miss Scott Graham.
Burrell with a two-out single.
Clutch.
OMGWESHELMS
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 02, 2007, 02:34:53 PM
Sarge is brutal in the booth, far worse than Wheels. I actually miss Scott Graham.
Listening to the 2 of them is HORRENDOUS. This can't go on all season. Its brutal.
Nice...taking the lead. :yay
3-2
Season's back on
Myers is looking dominant today. Aside from McCann's dinger, he's been pretty well dead on.
BTW: It was nice to see the Braves screw up last inning and make an error. That always seems to be the Phillies for whatever reason.
Myers looks like a completely different guy out there. He has energy, he's not all sloppy and slow. He's fast to first to make the play. :yay
Lets just hope he stopped beating his wife.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 02, 2007, 02:56:28 PM
Lets just hope he stopped beating his wife.
Maybe she was asking for it. Ever think of that?
Ha!
2nd and 3rd with 0 outs. Exciting stuff.
Timely hitting rules.
3-3 on a bomb from Renteria.
farg!
It was nice to see them get some insurance runs when they had Myers and Rollins on 3rd and 2nd with no outs.
Bums.
This thread is an inning faster than ESPN's shtein Gamecenter. I was all excited when Rollins hit the double, thought they were going to start opening it up. Then I read Rome's post...fargers.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 02, 2007, 03:11:25 PM
It was nice to see them get some insurance runs when they had Myers and Rollins on 3rd and 2nd with no outs.
Bums.
Part of the reason I hate having Howard in the 3 hole, as great as he is, he's still slow and strikes out a lot. He's perfect for hitting cleanup. Chase can fly and often makes contact.
Gordon in a non-save situation on opening day. Super.
And so it begins...Gordon comes in in the 9th...3-3 tie. And the pitcher's spot is due to bat 1st in the bottom of the inning
:-D
Whew.
nice jam there Flash
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 02, 2007, 03:28:51 PM
Gordon in a non-save situation on opening day. Super.
he had already been warming up, fwiw.
Howard intentionally walked for Chase
New year same farging tired bullshtein.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 02, 2007, 03:46:31 PM
Howard intentionally walked for Chase
Bobby Cox > Charlie Manuel
Kill Renteria
Madson is awful. I never understood all the praise.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 02, 2007, 03:56:17 PM
Kill Renteria
No. Kill Victorino, Howard, and Utley for stranding Myers and Rollins a few innings ago.
Also blame Cory Lidle. Just because.
blame ivan dejesus
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 161 games left ::)
Ha.
60-102.
Rollins said the Phils are the team to beat this year. So far, the Braves are proving him right.
On pace for 162 losses. At least we've got the Eagles Sixers Flyers Soul.
Winners win games like that. Losers annoint themselves the team to beat and go out and piss games like that away.
But of course, it's only one game and seasons never come down to a single win or loss, right?
iceholes.
i'm sunburnt...
at the begining of the game, they recognized all the people who died in the past year, they showed Lidle, and actually used footage of him in his plane, i laughed.
Quote from: SunMo on April 02, 2007, 07:47:10 PM
i'm sunburnt...
Your username says you're sun mo.
i wish so many horrible things upon you, yet they never happen, this is concerning
My bloodwork came back positive for AIDS today. I completely skipped the HIV stage.
it's about farging time
Can we hug now?
It's a trick, Sunny! He's going to slip his AIDSPENIS into your anusflower!
Foiled again. And I would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids.
Sarge in 30 years:
(http://sjl-static15.sjl.youtube.com/vi/P1nFQ0yZokY/2.jpg)
MRE's speed up the aging process.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 02, 2007, 08:07:41 PM
My bloodwork came back positive for AIDS today. I completely skipped the HIV stage.
It could have been worse, you could have watched the Phils this afternoon. The countdown to 10,000 begins!
I've got a 4 day weekend for Easter and was looking forward to heading up and catching a game. But they're scheduled to be in Florida over the weekend. Naturally.
isn't Florida closer?
I knew that Madson gave up the homerun without even watching the game.
161 to go.....
If it's not horrible weather, I'm heading down Wednesday. You care.
Quote from: MDS on April 03, 2007, 12:07:20 AM
If it's not horrible weather, I'm heading down Wednesday. You care.
See you there. They're giving away a red Phls T-shirt with COLLEGE written across the front and a small Phils symbol right above it.
Quote"He couldn't get a bunt down, but he could hit a homer," Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said of Renteria.
Quote"He can't manage a baseball team worth a damn but he sure can trowel out folksy quips when his underachieving horseshtein baseball team chokes another game away."
hopefully one day myers brain will match his stuff...how do you throw the ball anywhere close to the plate 0-2 and two outs
farging moron
i didn't think he should've been in the game at that point anyway...105 pitches on opening day?
Myers challenged Renteria and lost. You could see on the replay his head snapping as if he was trying to get every last bit of juice he had left into that pitch. He wanted the strikeout, he wanted to pump the crowd up as he left the mound and his aggressiveness bit him in the ass.
Honestly, the way Myers pitched yesterday was great aside from the two mistakes he made to Renteria & McCann. Considering the number of opportunities the hitters had to blow that shtein open, Myers is hardly #1 on the blame hit list.
i didn't think he should've been in the game at that point anyway...105 pitches on opening day?
perhaps but he lost the lead because of a mental mistake not a physical one
who am i kidding tho even if he gets out of the 7th madsen loses the game in the 8th instead of the 10th
myers in the daily news today....
"Like I said before, I feel like these fans are my family," Myers said. "Family never gets on family."
good stuff coming from a wife beater
Myers challenged Renteria and lost
exactly...and you dont challenge someone on an 0-2 count...you throw a slider in the dirt...or high heat and hope he chases up the ladder...or hell throw it against the backstop...
that was not a time to show your manhood and grove a fastball down the middle...you do that on a 3-2 count and a runner on first...inexcusable and it completely negates anything else he did in the game
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2007, 10:52:11 AM
who am i kidding tho even if he gets out of the 7th madsen loses the game in the 8th instead of the 10th
possibly, but the mistake was made in the bottom of the 7th, when he let Myers bat. it's somewhat safe to assume that a pinch hitter would walk as well because Gonzalez was not close in that at-bat. if you have a faster runner on first, he scores on Jimmy's double and you have a 2-run cushion for Madsen in the 8th.
although, if you tell me that there are men on 2nd and 3rd with no outs and 2, 3, 4 coming up, I'd say you're going to get at least one run.
either way, it shouldn't have been a one run game going into the 8th.
Quote from: SunMo on April 02, 2007, 11:25:41 PM
isn't Florida closer?
Florida is roughly the same distance. Miami on the other hand.......
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 03, 2007, 10:52:11 AM
myers in the daily news today....
"Like I said before, I feel like these fans are my family," Myers said. "Family never gets on family."
good stuff coming from a wife beater
Awesome.
0-1
same
old
sillies
Myers, in hindsight obviously, should have thrown a slider, hard curve or a splitter to Renteria. However, he had gotten him out on fastballs late in counts earlier and he had been dipping into the off-speed stuff to other batters so perhaps he thought Renteria would have been sitting split or something else. I had no problem with a fastball there though...his location was off on it...Barajas was set outside and it tailed back in.
I also agreed with letting him go out for the 8th. He was dealing and he is the ace. Too much is made of pitchcounts. He was in the low 90's when he took the mound in the 8th, right? If he's PH for and then Madson comes in Charlie is killed for removing a guy who was throwing well and going to the shtein ass bullpen.
It amazes me how over analytical some Phils fans are. The hatred for Uncle Charlie comes out and they just rip away instead of realizing that the game was lost because of the players not getting runs in. Howard's defensive farg up also extended the inning in the 9th allowing the top of the order to come up in the 10th.
I also heard that Myers got distracted on that pitch because he saw a hottie in the stands that he was getting fist boners over.
I knew they were going to lose. It's pretty much a safe bet.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 03, 2007, 02:48:42 PM
I also heard that Myers got distracted on that pitch because he saw a hottie in the stands that he was getting fist boners over.
Stop being so over analytical.
charlie is an abortion of a manager
howard is a hack
these things are just the way it is as long as those people remain in the positions they are
but myers mistake was 100% avoidable...it was either a complete mental breakdown...a lack of knowledge....or stubborn ignorance...and because of that...whether you agree it was the most costly mistake in the game it was easily the most indefensible
The season is over...Rollins said do (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070403_Phillies_drop_opener_to_Braves_in_10.html)
Quote"I guess the season is over," Rollins deadpanned.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 03, 2007, 03:05:14 PM
The season is over...Rollins said do (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070403_Phillies_drop_opener_to_Braves_in_10.html)
Quote"I guess the season is over," Rollins deadpanned.
Don't you just hate that they put the "s" and the "d" keys so close together on the keyboard?
http://www.the700level.com/2007/04/entrance_songs_.html (http://www.the700level.com/2007/04/entrance_songs_.html)
Burrell chose Dirty Laundry?
What a little snatch hole.
like four years ago jimmy used to come out to biggies kick in the door...that was fresh....
and before that gin and juice
Marlon Byrd came out to a hip hop song that was pretty cool. Can't remember which, though.
IGY: How are you liking the 700K video feed on MLB.TV? I didn't realize it was streaming until today. I have the Tigers/Blue Jays on at the moment and the picture quality is insane even on this piece of crap Trinitron monitor I have at the house.
I would come out to the theme from Sanford and Son, but that's just me.
IGY: How are you liking the 700K video feed on MLB.TV? I didn't realize it was streaming until today. I have the Tigers/Blue Jays on at the moment and the picture quality is insane even on this piece of crap Trinitron monitor I have at the house.
hadnt watched it yet till you just mentioned it...youre right its awesome...and 100 times better than last years picture
tonight im gonna try and run it thru my television and see how it looks
It looks like digital television quality to me on this screen. It's nowhere near high definition but it's a quantum leap better than before.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 04, 2007, 03:08:57 PM
Marlon Byrd came out to a hip hop song that was pretty cool. Can't remember which, though.
Yup, remember that well.
I am so psyched about this premium deal. Mrs. Rome is trying to figure out the best way to hook it up to the television at the moment but it looks just awesome on my computer right now.
Snazzy jackets on Harry, Wheels & Sarge...
Hamels, after some early control issues, has settled in nicely and is dealing. His pitch count is high though. So be prepared to see the BP blow it.
Ruiz just went yard for the Phils first hit in 5 innings.
1-0 Phils after 5 and a half.
They seriously need to do something about Wheeler & Sarge together. They're awful in a way that is literally making it impossible to listen to the game.
There is no way Wheeler should be doing PBP. I mean AT ALL.
Anyway - Hamels' change-up is sick tonight.
It's a shame (but not shocking at all) that the Phillies pair one of the best ever with two bums. Chris Wheeler must be able to deep throat Monty well. I didn't like Scott "Put on in the win column for the...SHUT UP" Graham either.
Let Harry roll solo for all I care. Taking LA off of TV was wrong too.
Agreed, Hamels is dealing tonight.
And Rollins got screwed twice on that pickoff: he beat the throw, and Hudson balked. Even the Braves announcers saw it.
Graham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wheels. Then again, a guy with a voice box would be better, so...
Hamels out to start the 7th...
Andruw "Gold Club" Jones singles to start it...
Matt Smith and Geoff Geary warming in the 'pen.
Come on, Cole. Finish this inning.
Hahaha, the Phillies in a 1-0 game. I wonder how this one will turn out...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2007, 08:35:29 PM
Hamels out to start the 7th...
Andruw "Gold Club" Jones singles to start it...
Matt Smith and Geoff Geary warming in the 'pen.
Come on, Cole. Finish this inning.
Hamels seems to be getting the ball up a bit.
And Burrell is a Hoyda. :boom
Motherfarging lazy bum Pat Burrell just pulled up on one he should have caught...single for McCann...
runners on 1st and 2nd w/ 1 out
Come on, Colbert. Get the 4-6-3 here....
just realized for some reason i can watch the game on out of town FSN. Burrell made the right play, if he dove and missed it would have tied the game
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 04, 2007, 08:41:31 PM
And Burrell is a Hoyda. :boom
but he has a new attitude and batting stance this year!
great throw by Cole there
Hamels at 109 pitches...
Charlie comes out to give Cole the Roger Dorn "strike this motherfarger out" speech. And Cole gets Diaz to ground out to end it.
Great job tonight by Hamels. Excellent.
Now the bullpen will farg him.
Cole is becoming a Phenom in philly. You can just tell by the crowds reaction to him staying on the mound there
the phils defense is gonna cost them this year...already in less than two full games three members of the hack squad have had errors or awful plays...and with burrell you not only have a terrible fielder but you have a guy who is beyond shook to make a mistake
what a game by hamels...i swear to god if the pen blows this im gonna lose it...with some luck and no blown wins from the pen hamels could win the cy young this year...of course an insurance run or two wouldnt hurt
Trish singles to start the b7th.
Mike Bourn comes in to PR for her...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2007, 08:45:11 PM
Hamels at 109 pitches...
Charlie comes out to give Cole the Roger Dorn "strike this motherfarger out" speech. And Cole gets Diaz to ground out to end it.
Great job tonight by Hamels. Excellent.
Now the bullpen will farg him.
That is (almost) exactly what I told my wife after Hamels got out of the innings.
"Hamels had a great game. Too bad the bullpen will screw him over."
Atta boy, Wes Helms.
5-4-3 DP.
farg.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 04, 2007, 08:49:04 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2007, 08:45:11 PM
Hamels at 109 pitches...
Charlie comes out to give Cole the Roger Dorn "strike this motherfarger out" speech. And Cole gets Diaz to ground out to end it.
Great job tonight by Hamels. Excellent.
Now the bullpen will farg him.
That is (almost) exactly what I told my wife after Hamels got out of the innings.
"Hamels had a great game. Too bad the bullpen will screw him over."
My guess is Geary will be the guy to pitch the 8th...unless Bobby Cox sends up a LH PH and then we see Matt Smith. I just hope Geary can get it done. Anyone BUT Ryan Madson, please.
WTF...I hate these in-game interviews.
Cole being interviewed right now by Harry....
cole got the phat feather
could he be nerdier
Phils bats are on teh fire! :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 04, 2007, 08:56:17 PM
Phils bats are on teh fire! :-D
They should be set on the fire.
And the Braves' PH just swung at ball four.
Abe thought there was three outs, I think.
not that anyone is hitting tonight but the phils lineup is a big black hole after the four spot
Walked on four fargin pitches.
CHRIST!
Same story every year, IGY.
Although I think Helms and maybe Ruiz will hit as the season goes on.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2007, 09:01:11 PM
Same story every year, IGY.
Although I think Helms and maybe Ruiz will hit as the season goes on.
Don't forget about Pat the
Hoyda Bat.
Come on, Geary. Get that damn Chipper.
Blah.
Get's the other Jones twin, though. :yay
He's dead to me. DEAD!!
And Geary walks Larry to put the tying run in SP.
Andruw coming up.
Come on, Geary! Andruw is 3/12 off of him with all 3 being HRs.
Andruw grounds out to end it.
Whew.
Now let's get an insurance run or two.
AIDS for the BRAVES!
Rollins steals...error on McCann...Jimmy to 3rd
GET THE GODDAMN RUN HOME, SHANE.
Atta baby! Shane doubles Jimmy home.
2-0 Phils!
The Happy Hawaiian drives in Rollins! :yay
Sugar Shane Victorino!
And then he does something really farging stupid.
And then the dumbass gets hosed trying to steal 3rd with Howard up.
Stupid sonofabitch.
Victorino thrown out at third trying to steal with Howard at bat. ???
Come on, Utley.
Well... I got most of what I wanted. :-\
Nail it down, Flash.
thats why howard doesnt hit in front of chase
Great hit....Howard thrown out at home. That is the only beef with Howard hitting ahead of Chase...his lack of speed.
2-0 with Flash coming in to save it.
You gotta be fricken kidding me.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 04, 2007, 09:22:31 PM
thats why howard doesnt hit in front of chase
Right out of my mouth, Igy.
Victorino thrown out at 3rd.
Howard thrown out at home.
The more I think about it, the more pissed off I'm getting.
Flash BETTER nail it down.
How the farg do you get not one but TWO outs on the bases in the eight inning? That's absurd.
Phlash better sit these corksuckers down 1-2-3.
Jesus farg...
Francoeur leads off with a double
By the way, is there something different about the Phils' uniforms this year? Something just seems different.
Well, so much for that.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 04, 2007, 09:24:30 PM
How the farg do you get not one but TWO outs on the bases in the eight inning? That's absurd.
Phlash better sit these corksuckers down 1-2-3.
No, not absurd. That's the Phillies.
LOUGKLUGFW!KXFGKLUGFWXOLKU@GEOCU@T#OUDCT@LWJXGL!@
McCann ties it up.
ARE YOU GODDAM KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?!?!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 04, 2007, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 04, 2007, 09:22:31 PM
thats why howard doesnt hit in front of chase
Right out of my mouth, Igy.
Victorino thrown out at 3rd.
Howard thrown out at home.
The more I think about it, the more pissed off I'm getting.
Flash BETTER nail it down.
:boom :boom :boom
:puke
haha....classic
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 04, 2007, 09:25:51 PM
By the way, is there something different about the Phils' uniforms this year? Something just seems different.
Only the VUK patch on the sleeve.
Another one of Cole's W's blown by the BP. He was killed last year by that.
And we are all prophets...knew the BP was going to blow it.
There goes a damn near perfect night of pitching by Cole because our horseshtein bullpen can't close the farging deal.
is sarge the worst announcer of all time in any sport
:-D
I'm angry and laughing at the same time.
Angry because Cole's great game was farged up.
Laughing because in the first two games of the season, the bullpen has blown two games. Everyone (but Gillick apparently) saw it was a weakness and it has bitten them in the ass two straight games.
FIX IT, GILLICK.
I took the headphones off anyway. It's too painful to listen to.
And in the 9th the Phils have coming up...
(http://www.shol.com/yubba/graphics/1stooge.gif)
Howard with a nice beginning of a DP.
His throwing motions scares me for some reason, though.
Maybe because it sucks?
Wish me luck for tomorrow...I will be freezing my ass off and I get the pleasure of watching Adam Eaton pitch. Chuck James is going for the Braves, he's LH, so I expect him to dominate the offense.
whats really disheartening is that the braves bullpen is loaded...so get used to these kinds of losses all year against them
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2007, 09:29:28 PM
I'm angry and laughing at the same time.
Angry because Cole's great game was farged up.
Laughing because in the first two games of the season, the bullpen has blown two games. Everyone (but Gillick apparently) saw it was a weakness and it has bitten them in the ass two straight games.
FIX IT, GILLICK.
Can't laugh at all right now. Still too damn early in the season, and I still have some hope within me that the Phils could do something this year.
I'm a damned fool.
And I think my wife could out-hit Michael Bourn. Even 8½ months pregnant.
Bwahahaha...Madson is going to pitch the 10th.
Game. Over. Bitches.
Unless this anemic offense scores a run on Soriano.
Time for me to go to work.
Madson's warming up. So there's that...
Time for Rowand to pull a Pat Burrell.
LOL - 3 up, 3 down. Must be nice.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 04, 2007, 09:29:28 PM
FIX IT, GILLICK.
We saw last season that Gillick sucked...and we see it so far. Apparently everyone by the GM knew that the bullpen was crap. And he let two of the somewhat reliable relievers walk in the offseason...along with doing NOTHING.
Gillick is crap. We all know it.
Dare I say... good pitching by Madsen to get out of the inning.
Madsen worked his way out of a jam in the 10th. Let's go, bitches... END IT!
Going with Madsen again. :paranoid
what did howard do last inning in getting out...my computer went down right when he came up
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 04, 2007, 10:06:39 PM
what did howard do last inning in getting out...my computer went down right when he came up
Grounded weakly to second on the first pitch.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 04, 2007, 10:03:52 PM
Going with Madsen again. :paranoid
There's 160 more of these? :(
It's like watching a freak show, or a train wreck, I can't stop looking. What makes me keep wasting my time watching these games? I could be doing something much more productive....like....farg it. :boom
obviously the bullpen farged the dog again, but what the farg is Victorino doing trying to steal 3rd, when a lefty, Howard no less, is up with 1 out? that is a typical boneheaded play that this team makes nightly.
Now this is the Flash Gordon I was expecting last year when they signed him :-D
I want my fargin money back from MLB.tv farg.
3 games behind the Mets and Braves after tomorrow afternoon. FAST START!!!!!111
Gillick will prob make a deal soon.
Well it was a fun game to go to, aside from the predictable ending.
Rowdy crowd. I was up in 437, about 99% college students. Some drunk bitches were throwing large amounts of Peanut Chews everywhere. It was funny at first, then get annoying. A bunch of people got ejected, but it wasn't anything remotley interesting. Yet, the crowd I was with were entertained beyond belief. No fights broke out, just some toolish shouting and mindless drunken stuff. Meh.
Cole was terrific, but it was pretty obvious that the shtein was gonna hit the fan. No one can hit with RISP, Burrell is a joke, the bullpen eats ass juice. Ugh. It's gonna be a long year. After the game, numerous E-A-G-L-E-S chants broke out, including a "Yea, Montea Reagor" comment. Hooray.
Taking the subway back, the Hoydas in my group were adament that no one was to walk from Girard to Cecil B. Moore (where we live, about 5 blocks). They assumed that being outside on that block at 10:50 at night equaled murder and/or a mugging. Me thinks they need igy to tour them around the real hood.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 04, 2007, 08:37:22 PM
Hahaha, the Phillies in a 1-0 game. I wonder how this one will turn out...
Can we please disembowel Ryan Madson... or at least Charlie Manuel for ever putting him in any game with a close score? Madson is horrendous and should be counted on to give up at least 2 runs an inning every time he's out there, just to be safe.
Quote from: King Cole on April 04, 2007, 10:41:05 PM
Gillick will prob make a deal soon.
he makes 3 kinds of deals
1) Brings in some crap that no one else wants (i.e. Alex Gonzalez, Ryan Franklin, Sal Fasano, Jason Werth, Adam Eaton, Antonio Alfonseca)
2) Trades away that crap for some mediocre middle aged journeyman
3) Someone overrated from the White Sox
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 160 games left ::)
Quote from: MDS on April 04, 2007, 11:47:16 PM
Well it was a fun game to go to, aside from the predictable ending.
Rowdy crowd. I was up in 437, about 99% college students.
That was probably the rowdiest Phils game I've ever been too. The elements didn't help matters, we were in 243.
Some highlights:
- Found $5 on the ground which paid for all of my dollar dogs
- Free COLLEGE t-shirt is kick ass
- There was a fight in the parking lot between 20 drunk college kids. We stood by with beers in hand while these Hoydas attempted to swing. It was borderline hilarious watching these idiots throw punches.
Lowlights:
- the game. Freaking bums.
Like the sucker I am I'll be back down there for todays game, get the brooms out. I have a feeling Eaton's not lasting till the 5th.
I have a feeling Eaton's not lasting till the 5th.
yup
they got their two good starts and blew them...eaton isnt any good to begin with but the odds alone tell you they arent getting a third quality start in a row....
look for eaton to get RAKED today
2 games into the season and this team is infuriating. Somebody better call Jobu to wake up bats because this team definately isn't going to win a lot of games due to solid defense and a strong pen.
this group of players simply cant win with even a little pressure on them
they get off to horrible starts when expectation and hype surrounds them
they cant finish seasons when the pressure to win is on
but they are great during the summer when they are 8 games out and everyone has written them off
aint a damn thing changed
Is everyone in agreement that Cole is damn special! I missed the first 7 innings but i was just amazed what Cole did in the 7th. The braves announcers were in awe of him again. Really, with Myers where he is and Cole becoming the ace, thats a formidable top 2. Once Garcia is back, it makes a nice top 3. Eaton blows unless he decides to man up.
I was with RJS though, once i saw the score and that the game was going to the bullpen, i knew it was over.
It was funny to see how everyone somehow thought this year would be different.
They'll start off 2-5, be 6 or 7 back by the end of april. have a good may, terrible june...surge in july and august, only to completely flop in september.
Gillick is a fraud. Everyone talks about the 92-93 Blue Jays, but nothing about the failing to win (only to get close) with the Orioles and Mariners...
you'd rather have Ed Wade then?
I'd like to reiterate how stupid it is to have Howard hitting in the 3 hole with Utley batting 4th. Its not working. I could see if it was midseason, Howard was hot, and teams were pitching around him, but its the beginning of the season and having him bat 3rd is retarded.
Yeah, that was the only choice, Gillick...or Ed Wade. No one else.
please name someone available at the time that you would rather have.
Yeah, I can't think of any other established GM's that were available. Maybe there are/were a few guys available who are ready to take on a GM role but do you want to put the immediate future of a team that has some real quality talent on it in the hands of a rookie GM?
The Sabremetrics Jew Epstein from the Sox was available.
the only other guy out there was Jerry Hunsicker, he ended up going to Tampa Bay to be an adviser of some sort.
bottom line is they have a GM that won two championships and built good teams every where he went. to call him a fraud is incorrect.
you can have it both ways
you can say he was the right hire at the time
and also say now that unless he pulls a few rabbits out of his hat hes cost them the season this year by completely ignoring the bullpen and putting a team on the field that cant catch the ball
I wanted Gerry Hunsicker.
I was ok with Gillick too, at the time...but it has become apparent that after the 2005-06 offseason, and then the 2006-07 offseason, that Gillick just doesnt seem to have a grasp on what this team needs.
Everyone and their mother knew the bullpen needed work this offseason...and Alfonseca is the only notable aquisition?
Gillick does an OK job, considering the ownership. It's not his fault all the players are whiny douche assfaces.
as GM:
Toronto (1978-1994)
5 division titles
2 WS wins
Baltimore (1995-1998)
2 playoff appearances
Seattle (1999-2003)
2 playoff appearances
116 wins in 2001
each one of those teams has turned to shtein once he left
sounds like a fraud to me.
I blame Brett Myers' wife, personally.
Gillick does an OK job, considering the ownership
that dog dont hunt anymore...the team has spent more than enough money the last five years to have won world series
overall, he's done a pretty good job considering what he had to work with after Wade. i don't know what you can do about the fielding though, you can't take Utely or Howard out of the lineup, and you don't get enough production from the outfield to be able to put a good fielder at 3rd instead of Helms
Rowand + Victorino = RUNS
and you don't get enough production from the outfield to be able to put a good fielder at 3rd instead of Helms
when didnt stank ass wes helms become an offensive force...hes had like 20 homers and 90 rbi in the last THREE YEARS...burrell is the guy youd keep in the lineup for offensive numbers above fielding....not friggin wes helms...he stinks offensively and especially defensively
Baltimore was a decent team before gillick got there. +.500 records in 1992, 1993, 1994 (before the strike), and finished behind the Blue Jays for the division both years.
Seattle also won the division two of the three seasons before Gillick got there.
He started with the Blue jays when they were an expansion team, working his way up the ranks, where they did win two world series.
What difference does it make that they went to shtein after he left? Does being replaced by incompetent make the predesessor less or more (in)competent, that's the equivilant of saying Dick Vermeil did nothing, because Marion Campbell did nothing.
Gillick has not done anything to signifigantly improve the phillies over two offseasons now, how much longer is there to wait before he can be held accountible?
only one year did he gets a full seasons worth of ABs, 2003, and he hit 23 homers with 67 RBI.
only one year did he gets a full seasons worth of ABs, 2003, and he hit 23 homers with 67 RBI.
dont you think theres a reason hes 31 and has been a starter once in his career....its because he sucks in the field and isnt that good of a hitter....hes a bench guy...he has no business starting in the major leagues...his fielding makes him a huge detriment...
well, i don't remember there being much 3rd base help out there this offseason, so it's either Helms or Nunez
id rather have nunez the primary starter.....runs are the farthest thing from the phillies problem and its not like helms is a run producer anyway
but really they should have signed polanco long term and put him at third
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
but really they should have signed polanco long term and put him at third
a .300 hitter that plays defense? that makes too much sense.
but those 2 months of Uggie were magical
Quote from: SunMo on April 05, 2007, 12:07:03 PM
overall, he's done a pretty good job considering what he had to work with after Wade. i don't know what you can do about the fielding though, you can't take Utely or Howard out of the lineup, and you don't get enough production from the outfield to be able to put a good fielder at 3rd instead of Helms
Gillick has put together 2/3 of this outfield together. Been handcuffed with Burrell...but as far as Victorino and Rowand, they are here by gillicks hand...or his choice to keep them here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
but really they should have signed polanco long term and put him at third
With Kenny Rogers out for a few months, you think the Phils could put together some sort of deal that would send Lieber to Det in exchange for Polanco? Maybe Leiber, Helms, throw in player/pick/cash?
Quote from: SunMo on April 05, 2007, 12:28:13 PM
well, i don't remember there being much 3rd base help out there this offseason, so it's either Helms or Nunez
Wasnt Aramis Rameriz a FA?
yeah, i forgot about him.
he got 5 years $75 million, the Phillies couldn't give him that and still pay Howard, Utley, Myers, etc...
Quote from: SunMo on April 05, 2007, 12:49:33 PM
yeah, i forgot about him.
he got 5 years $75 million, the Phillies wouldn't give him that and still pay Howard, Utley, Myers, etc...
Fixed
He renegotiated with Chicago before FA, so he wasn't really available. As for the bullpen, Gillick claims that he's been trying to fix it but teams aren't trading anyone that's somewhat decent like Linebrink or Shields, so we're stuck with what we have. Looks like he passed on Villone and Rincon too....
Quote from: SunMo on April 05, 2007, 12:49:33 PM
yeah, i forgot about him.
he got 5 years $75 million, the Phillies couldn't give him that and still pay Howard, Utley, Myers, etc...
You mean they paid Ryan Howard?
yeah, i forgot about him.
he got 5 years $75 million, the Phillies couldn't give him that and still pay Howard, Utley, Myers, etc...
except they offered soriano a billion dollars and altho possible i cant believe signing soriano would have meant the certain end of utley howard or myers...but even if it did i didnt hear too many people who were against getting soriano
i give up, ive been beaten down
this team sucks
gillick's a hack
They made the offer to Soriano, just to say that they tried to get Soriano...you know, the same tactic you bash the Eagles for doing.
They made the offer to Soriano, just to say that they tried to get Soriano
link?
and the eagles dont make offers just to make them...they dont make many offers at all...certainly they dont get into bidding wars
the phillies lost out to the tribune company
if the eagles got outbid by dan snyder then so be it but at least they could make a run at some big time free agents more than once every a decade
I remember the Phils making an offer to Soriano. I also remember the Eagles making offers to Stallworth and Fowler this year and Bentley last year.
Lineups are out for today's game. Victorino was benched and the 3/4 swap of Howard/Utley is over....
Werth
Jim Eisenriech
He finally got over his vertigo?
farging, clown.
i pretty balls!! sure he had tourettes. farg!!
shtein!!
I'd just like to add that the draft is only 23 days away.
VV(.)(.)T!
I seriously can't remember a time where I was less excited about the NFL draft.
1974
D-
fightins picked up that rosario cat from toronto
link?
lolol @ ryan howard....this is just outrageous....will there be a game this year where the team doesnt get at least one error
2-0 braves
Quote from: rjs246 on April 05, 2007, 03:02:48 PM
I seriously can't remember a time where I was less excited about the NFL draft.
It's my birthday.
Unless the Eagles trade up, I doubt I'll remember/care who they pick in the first round until I wake up the next afternoon.
howard tried to throw the ball to second base and it looked like he tried to throw it to burrell but it came up short
Ha. I don't know why I take so much pleasure in watching the phillies fail (since they're the only team I have ever or would ever root for) but this farging bad news bears shtein is hilarious.
Nice catch from Eaton on a bullet right back up the middle.
Burrell is farging clueless out there. Just clueless.
welcome to 2003
The Phillies turned a double play! Granted it was hit right at Utley but still, they didn't throw it into left field.
The first two games are probably the most frustrating start to a season. Myers and Hamels throw gems and the run support and bullpen let them down.
Don't need to get embarrassed in the home opening series. They need this game.
eaton is performing very well thus far
To keep with the theme...this thread should be retitled 2007 Philadelphia Phillies Thread - The Phantom Menace
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- Hoping to bolster a beleaguered bullpen, the Philadelphia Phillies acquired hard-throwing right-hander Francisco Rosario from Toronto for cash on Thursday.
Rosario was 1-2 with a 6.65 ERA in 17 games with the Blue Jays last year. The 26-year-old Rosario was 20-26 with a 3.38 ERA in 148 games over parts of eight seasons in the minor leagues. He had 478 strikeouts in 498 2-3 innings in 148 games, including 84 starts.
Rosario
"We like this guy's arm," general manager Pat Gillick said.
"We think he has a power arm. He's had a poor track record, but we think he turned the corner this spring. He has a lot of upside. He's a guy we've watched since last season."
Rosario was designated for assignment last Friday, meaning the Blue Jays had 10 days to trade him, send him outright to the minors or release him. The Phillies scouted Rosario throughout spring training and pursued him strongly once he became available. They gave Toronto $100,000, a small price if Rosario can improve a woeful bullpen.
Rosario had a 3.00 ERA in eight games this spring, striking out nine in nine innings. His fastball was clocked between 94-97 mph, according to Gillick.
"He was more consistent in the spring," Gillick said. "He's a guy we want to take a chance on."
The Phillies will make a roster move on Friday once Rosario joins the team in Miami before a three-game series against the Marlins.
Entering the season, an inconsistent bullpen was Philadelphia's main concern. The relievers cost the Phillies the first two games of the season against Atlanta.
Ryan Madson allowed a two-run homer to Edgar Renteria in the 10th inning of a 5-3 loss on Monday. Closer Tom Gordon allowed a tying two-run homer to Brian McCann in the ninth inning Wednesday night, and Madson gave up a solo shot to Scott Thorman in the 11th in a 3-2 loss.
who is this guy???
pat the bat son what!!
Clueless.
haha dumb luck
More dumb luck.
Losers.
Gaggers.
the phillies do so many things that good teams just dont do
its like night and day watching a team like the braves play the right way vs the train wreck that is the phils
it all starts at the top too...charlie gotta go by the end of the weekend
Oh well. That's all you can really say.
home sweeps in two straight years
How much did they pay for Eaton?
More than the Eagles paid for Reno Mahe.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2007, 04:44:55 PM
More than the Eagles paid for Reno Mahe.
You scared me. I thought they re-signed him.
Two men on, two out, Howard coming up... just drank my second beer.
over 8 million per year for essentially a 5th starter.
Frustration setting in...
howard shtein the bed, and his first boos started
home sweeps in two straight years
3-11 in home opening series the last five years
howard looks pathetic this year
I guess this year will be his true sophomore slump.
Go team.
"We're the team to beat!"
Well, so far... you sure have been, Jimmy boy.
:-D
guarantee we read about a "team meeting" after today's game
Rowand should totally run into a wall and bust his face up again. Even if there is no play to make...just do it!
Quote from: Wingspan on April 05, 2007, 05:13:46 PM
Rowand should totally run into a wall and bust his face up again. Even if there is no play to make...just do it!
It doesn't even have to be during a game, as long as there's a video camera running.
Howard 0-4. Unfargingbelieveable.
Burrell struck out with men in scoring position.
That can't be right. No wai!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2007, 05:27:36 PM
Burrell struck out with men in scoring position.
That can't be right. No wai!
I'd whisper that one considering Howard has 2 K's of his own and left 6 men on base this afternoon.
I'm listening on the radio...but does Howard still look like a fatass like he did when he came into spring training?
Howard's in a three game slump.
Burrell's slump just hit 150 games.
Bit of a difference there, Winger... ;)
Funny...if manual had left the lineup Howard Utley...they may still be in the game.
Ladies & Gents... may I present our BULLPEN SAVIOR!
(http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/2348/0405rosariothumbem9.jpg)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2007, 05:03:57 PM
"We're the team to beat!"
Well, so far... you sure have been, Jimmy boy.
:-D
I'm like Negrodamus.....only more whiter. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=19577.msg511368#msg511368)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 05, 2007, 05:32:17 PM
Howard's in a three game slump.
Burrell's slump just hit 150 games.
Bit of a difference there, Winger... ;)
Howard had 2 singles in the first game. How is that a slump of 3 games?
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2007, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
but really they should have signed polanco long term and put him at third
With Kenny Rogers out for a few months, you think the Phils could put together some sort of deal that would send Lieber to Det in exchange for Polanco? Maybe Leiber, Helms, throw in player/pick/cash?
Not sure how serious this is as a question, but MLB teams cannot trade draft picks.
Frustrating. Damn frustrating.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 05, 2007, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2007, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
but really they should have signed polanco long term and put him at third
With Kenny Rogers out for a few months, you think the Phils could put together some sort of deal that would send Lieber to Det in exchange for Polanco? Maybe Leiber, Helms, throw in player/pick/cash?
Not sure how serious this is as a question, but MLB teams cannot trade draft picks.
Semi-serious. Didn't know that draft picks couldn't be traded though. But still.....is there any type of deal that the Phils could put together to pry Polanco loose from Detroit with any combo of players, prospects or cash?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2007, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 05, 2007, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2007, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
but really they should have signed polanco long term and put him at third
With Kenny Rogers out for a few months, you think the Phils could put together some sort of deal that would send Lieber to Det in exchange for Polanco? Maybe Leiber, Helms, throw in player/pick/cash?
Not sure how serious this is as a question, but MLB teams cannot trade draft picks.
Semi-serious. Didn't know that draft picks couldn't be traded though. But still.....is there any type of deal that the Phils could put together to pry Polanco loose from Detroit with any combo of players, prospects or cash?
From everything I've heard, Detroit is quite happy with Polanco and not likely to deal him. He had a good year last year, and only a fool would want to part with him. Which is why he's not on the Phillies right now.
I don't doubt that for a second. I was/still am pissed at the Phils for trading him. He was one of my favorite players. I just didn't know if Det was in any type of panic mode with the sudden loss of Rogers and if the Phils had anything available that would be of interest to them. Hell, throw Burrell in there with Leiber and Helms just for the hell of it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 05, 2007, 10:01:17 AM
Like the sucker I am I'll be back down there for todays game, get the brooms out. I have a feeling Eaton's not lasting till the 5th.
All to easy.
Froze my ass off today to watch that disgrace. Wound up at McFaddens by the 5th inning, 3/4 of the fans were in there.
I was thinking to myself today I'm glad Burrell is doing half decent so the fans throw the blame on the other players who are responsible.
I cannot begin to describe how cold it was there. I swear that it was colder than any Eagles game I have ever been to. Mike, I was all the way up in 316 and we stayed for every damn pitch of that abortion. I was numb by the time Ruiz ended that little rally by popping out.
How many weak fly balls were hit to RF today by the Phils? Seemed like about 62 of them.
1. Howard heard the boos today.
2. Bourn is a fast ass motherfarger
3. The highlight of the day was the booing of Pat Burrell...and the "BUR-RELL SUCKS...BUR-RELL SUCKS" chant that was extremely loud in the 8th inning.
4. I had some Burrell defender sitting behind me and we got into a pretty good argument. I think BillyBeane is the spawn of this dude. Holy shtein was he sucking Pat off.
5. Cold. Snowing. Windy. Freezing. Holy farg.
6. Condrey pitched well (2 IP 5 K's) and so did 6-fingers Alfonseca. Get rid of Madson.
7. Howards throw in the first was a beaut. Especially since I was right on top of the 1B line...dude has this sidearm flick throwing motion and as soon as he pivoted I told my boy...he's throwing it away.
The best news of the season is that I've yet to suffer through a TV broadcast. Missed two games because of work, went to one. I win. Bahaha.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2007, 11:42:43 PM
I cannot begin to describe how cold it was there. I swear that it was colder than any Eagles game I have ever been to. Mike, I was all the way up in 316 and we stayed for every damn pitch of that abortion. I was numb by the time Ruiz ended that little rally by popping out.
After we left McFaddens around the 6th we walked down to row 2 of section 113. The Staff didn't give two shteins since it was so cold and nobody was down there anyways. We were right next to the guy with the black shirt that ran on the field to retrieve a ball and was ejected. We stayed the entire time too cause our ride didn't want to leave. We got even better news when we got to the parking lot, the car we came down in had a flat with a spare and a jack but nothing to take the lugs off with. AAA was there in under 5 minutes...no shtein.
Howard had 2 singles in the first game. How is that a slump of 3 games?
hes 0-11 since those two singles
no rbi
10 LOB
and generally has looked weak as shtein....to top it off he blows in the field and has two errors already
white people are the bestest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN7RlEqd6iI
Quote2007 Philadelphia Phillies Thread - Mediocrity Strikes Back
Wouldn't mediocrity imply that they win every now and then?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2007, 08:24:58 AM
white people are the bestest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN7RlEqd6iI
I'm almost positive one of them was MDS, that was his section
ha...i was thinking that exact same thing when i first watched it
The best part of yesterday's game was getting 2 runs in the 9th...on 6 walks and no hits. And then Ruiz popped up on the first pitch to end the game.
Team. Baseball.
the best part of getting AIDS is the sex
Quote from: Wingspan on April 06, 2007, 09:10:48 AM
The best part of yesterday's game was getting 2 runs in the 9th...on 6 walks and no hits. And then Ruiz popped up on the first pitch to end the game.
Team. Baseball.
I was getting ready to watch the Flyers at the pub and they had the end of the game on. My buddy's a bartender there and he's a Philly guy so we were watching the game together. Anyway, just as Ruiz steps into the box, he says to me, 'watch this, he'll swing at the first farging pitch.' Sure enough...
:-D
Being a Philadelphia sports fan is going to kill me.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 06, 2007, 08:46:12 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2007, 08:24:58 AM
white people are the bestest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN7RlEqd6iI
I'm almost positive one of them was MDS, that was his section
Asses. I was a few sections over from those guys.
I had you pegged as the first guy painted white with a 6 on his stomach
he def was the guy who delivered a hard high five to the chick while yelping wooo hooo! when the cool song came on
Actually I was the guy dressed up as Batman.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 06, 2007, 04:11:56 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2007, 11:42:43 PM
I cannot begin to describe how cold it was there. I swear that it was colder than any Eagles game I have ever been to. Mike, I was all the way up in 316 and we stayed for every damn pitch of that abortion. I was numb by the time Ruiz ended that little rally by popping out.
After we left McFaddens around the 6th we walked down to row 2 of section 113. The Staff didn't give two shteins since it was so cold and nobody was down there anyways. We were right next to the guy with the black shirt that ran on the field to retrieve a ball and was ejected. We stayed the entire time too cause our ride didn't want to leave. We got even better news when we got to the parking lot, the car we came down in had a flat with a spare and a jack but nothing to take the lugs off with. AAA was there in under 5 minutes...no shtein.
Ha! I had just finished telling my boy what happens to people who run onto the field and then that guy went out there. I was disappointed that he didn't stay out there and end up catching a beat down from the cops. It was funny to watch the CBP employee rip the ball from his hands though. I would like to see someone run out to LF and just berate Pat Burrell...scream at him and tell him how much he sucks.
This team in infuriating.
But, but, but... Pat's OPS is like 1.037 right now! How can you say he sucks!?
Protection is a myth. Average with RISP is luck. Bla bla VORP.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 06, 2007, 03:40:38 PM
But, but, but... Pat's OPS is like 1.037 right now! How can you say he sucks!?
Burrell's the last person I'd blame for the 3 losses, I hope the rest of the team feels the heat now that he's not the scapegoat for a pathetic offensive performance.
Jay, we all boo'd the security guy, there were like 200 people in the stadium and they're tossing a fan. They should have given him free tickets after that game.
what happend to that douchebag anyway?
He also has five strikeouts and has been his usual gold glove self in the outfield.
I agree there's plenty of blame to go around, but his gaudy statistics after three games are misleading as hell and the boneheads that are using them to argue that he's actually played well the first three games are wrong.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 06, 2007, 04:04:36 PM
what happend to that douchebag anyway?
The guy who got tossed? The security guy snagged the ball from his hand and escorted him out of the stadium.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 06, 2007, 04:06:19 PM
He also has five strikeouts and has been his usual gold glove self in the outfield.
I agree there's plenty of blame to go around, but his gaudy statistics after three games are misleading as hell and the boneheads that are using them to argue that he's actually played well the first three games are wrong.
I'm the last person to stick up for Burrell but he's far from the problem, if he can hit somewhat like this all season I won't complain.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 06, 2007, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 06, 2007, 04:04:36 PM
what happend to that douchebag anyway?
The guy who got tossed? The security guy snagged the ball from his hand and escorted him out of the stadium.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 06, 2007, 04:06:19 PM
He also has five strikeouts and has been his usual gold glove self in the outfield.
I agree there's plenty of blame to go around, but his gaudy statistics after three games are misleading as hell and the boneheads that are using them to argue that he's actually played well the first three games are wrong.
I'm the last person to stick up for Burrell but he's far from the problem, if he can hit somewhat like this all season I won't complain.
Nah, Billy Bean
He's busy adding up VORP stats from the first 3 games
This from the EMB Phillies thread...
QuoteQUOTE(jerome99RIP @ Apr 6 2007, 04:35 PM) [snapback]8425406[/snapback]
Strikeouts in a situation where there are men on base isn't a problem?
Beane's response:
QuoteNope.
as long as he stays there its all goodies
I am going to try to make it down on April 15th for Jackie Robinson Day. Maybe I won't need to light myself on fire in the car to de-thaw afterwards.
On one of Peppermint Patty's ABs yesterday I got a perfect picture of him doing "The Burrell Shuffle" on the 3rd strike.
Those iceholes better win tonight.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2007, 05:57:11 PM
I am going to try to make it down on April 15th for Jackie Robinson Day. Maybe I won't need to light myself on fire in the car to de-thaw afterwards.
On one of Peppermint Patty's ABs yesterday I got a perfect picture of him doing "The Burrell Shuffle" on the 3rd strike.
Those iceholes better win tonight.
It was cooler here today.. only a high of 79. 8)
I envy you. I was miserable yesterday. And I saw at least 10 knuckleheads wearing shorts and short sleeve t-shirts.
Anybody going to the BPS on April 26th? I'm heading up with some people from work to enjoy the game and we're thinking about some tailgating
Greg Dobbs starts at 3rd tonight.
Rollins
Steal 3rd with Howard up and 1 out
Utley
Howard
Burrell
Dobbs
Rowand
Ruiz
Moyer
i like to call Dobbs, Hobbs...it cracks me up everytime
I like to call Victorino "Renomaherino". Cracks me up never.
1-2-3 top of the 1st, with Renomaherino and Utley striking out
Old man Moyer 1-2-3's the Marlins.
I can't watch the game because I don't have CN8. Lame.
you'd rather watch the Sixers make their playoff push anyway
Dobbsy with a crushed double to center, Pat barely safe at home, he shouldn't have been sent though. i guess they didn't get rid of Dancy after all
How hard is it to find a 3rd base coach who doesn't suck? Better yet, why do the Phillies have only 3 players who can run?
Ruiz with a 2-out double, Dobbs scores. 2-0 phils
Olivo thrown out at home trying for the inside the parker.
RBI single Pat Burrell I'm silently rooting for him this season
Pat with a 2-out RBI single
3-1 Phils
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 06, 2007, 07:48:10 PM
RBI single Pat Burrell I'm silently rooting for him this season
Oh, I'll root for him to produce since he's a Phillie. But the days of expecting him to produce in the clutch are long over.
they play better away from all the meanie philly fans
Diving catch by... Pat Burrell. :o
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 06, 2007, 07:51:38 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 06, 2007, 07:48:10 PM
RBI single Pat Burrell I'm silently rooting for him this season
Oh, I'll root for him to produce since he's a Phillie. But the days of expecting him to produce in the clutch are long over.
He just made a great catch (by his standards)
3-2 after the Ramirez HR
5-2 after a home run by Jimmy Rollins.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 06, 2007, 07:51:38 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 06, 2007, 07:48:10 PM
RBI single Pat Burrell I'm silently rooting for him this season
Oh, I'll root for him to produce since he's a Phillie. But the days of expecting him to produce in the clutch are long over.
Same here. Just because of sick of him doesn't mean that I want him to suck. I want him to be the player we thought he would be 4 or 5 years ago. I hope he gets his shtein together but there's no more love lost if he doesn't.
Nice baserunning job by Ruiz.
Pat Burrell = 2007 team MVP
Holy shtein.
Pat just crushed a 3R HR after an IBB to Howard.
He has 4 rbi tonight.
8-2
Burrell GONE! 3 run shot.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 06, 2007, 09:00:34 PM
Pat Burrell = 2007 team MVP
Tonight he certainly is.
Great game! :yay
lets go bullpen :paranoid
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
Holy shtein.
Pat just crushed a 3R HR after an IBB to Howard.
He has 4 rbi tonight.
8-2
That was an absolute monster shot. He had taken 2 strikes on breaking ball on the inside corner and I think everyone in the stadium including Burrell knew he would come with another one. And to make it even sweeter, that one hung out over the middle of the plate instead of the inside corner and Burrell turned on that thing in a heartbeat.
Jimmy Rollins on pace for 81 homers!
world series
that kid can run, holy shtein
Nice catch by Bourne. Dare I say, nice job by Uncle Cholly putting him out there in place of Burrell......who wouldn't have come close to catching that.
Of course, I'm kind of curious as to why Moyer is still out there after walking the first 2 batters and nearly giving up a hr.
calm down jarhead
I am now that he pulled him. Good outing by Moyer.
Souderton's own, mother farger!
1 pitch and he get's a pop up. High 6's all around in the dugout.
Quote from: SunMo on April 06, 2007, 09:31:38 PM
Souderton's own, mother farger!
Yeah, so is Yeti.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 06, 2007, 09:26:39 PM
Of course, I'm kind of curious as to why Moyer is still out there after walking the first 2 batters and nearly giving up a hr.
You HAVE seen the "quality" of the bullpen in the first three games, haven't you?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 06, 2007, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 06, 2007, 09:26:39 PM
Of course, I'm kind of curious as to why Moyer is still out there after walking the first 2 batters and nearly giving up a hr.
You HAVE seen the "quality" of the bullpen in the first three games, haven't you?
No. I just subscribed to mlb tv today.
Quote from: SunMo on April 06, 2007, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 06, 2007, 09:32:33 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 06, 2007, 09:31:38 PM
Souderton's own, mother farger!
Yeah, so is Yeti.
kinda balances out, no?
Perhaps. But then you come into play. Oh, and so does Suzie's. Souderton loses.
i'm a plus...and Suzie's is in Hilltown. Souderton wins, again.
Whatever helps ya sleep better.
Rowand made a great catch, running into the wall. Nose, still intact.
beatiful play by J Roll
World. Series.
Well, the world's worst bullpen managed to not blow a 6-run lead.
Jamie Moyer = Savior.
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 158 games left ::)
Quote from: Wingspan on April 07, 2007, 12:02:01 AM
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 158 games left ::)
ALL IS WELL!
the phils can't touch Willis for the first two innings, and all of the sudden they get 3 on an inside the park homer by Rollins. they call it a home run, but it was an awful play by the center fielder.
3-1 phils, victorino on 2nd, 2 outs, Howard up
That inside the parker was insane. Howard goes down...again. I think its safe to say there was something to the spring training slump talk.
Quote from: SunMo on April 07, 2007, 07:40:30 PM
the phils can't touch Willis for the first two innings, and all of the sudden they get 3 on an inside the park homer by Rollins. they call it a home run, but it was an awful play by the center fielder.
3-1 phils, victorino on 2nd, 2 outs, Howard up
Yeah, it's called a home run because De Aza (?) didn't physically touch it (hence the no error call), but it was badly misplayed.
Harry K is calling the game on the mlb.com broadcast. Sweet music to my ears. I missed the Rollins istp homer though. :-\
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 07, 2007, 07:50:42 PM
Harry K is calling the game on the mlb.com broadcast. Sweet music to my ears. I missed the Rollins istp homer though. :-\
DirecTV has this new channel called the Strike Zone Channel. It goes through all of the games currently playing. It has Harry the K cycling through on the Phils-Marlins turn.
It pisses me off for two reasons:
1. How come DirecTV can get the Phillies feed for this channel (which I'd have to pay more $$$ for to keep), but not for the MLB Extra Innings I pay $$$ for?
2. How can the FREAKING MARLINS NOT BE TELEVISED LOCALLY ON A FREAKING SATURDAY NIGHT?
and Myers gives up the lead in the bottom of the inning.
4-3 marlins
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 07, 2007, 07:53:26 PM
2. How can the FREAKING MARLINS NOT BE TELEVISED LOCALLY ON A FREAKING SATURDAY NIGHT?
Not sure but when I was watching the game last night, the Marlins announcers kept making references to some sort of American Idol contest taking place tonight after the game. So maybe the braintrust at Fox has something to do with that.
Myers is getting shelled in the 3rd. 4-3 fishies.
Ace getting lit up.
Marlins "fans" look like 1930's Germans waving the stupid flags around.
Utley flashing his meat cleaver again.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 07, 2007, 08:00:11 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 07, 2007, 07:53:26 PM
2. How can the FREAKING MARLINS NOT BE TELEVISED LOCALLY ON A FREAKING SATURDAY NIGHT?
Not sure but when I was watching the game last night, the Marlins announcers kept making references to some sort of American Idol contest taking place tonight after the game. So maybe the braintrust at Fox has something to do with that.
Myers is getting shelled in the 3rd. 4-3 fishies.
Nah, it's part of the ridiculousness that is sports in Florida. The rights to the Marlins, Devil Rays and Panthers are all held by FoxSports Florida, which at one point (and may still be) was owned by one H. Wayne Huizenga, the former owner of the Marlins and Panthers. Tonight FSFlorida is showing the Panthers game.
The Marlins may very well be on some local broadcast Miami station, but it's not in Naples (about 2 hours away from where the Marlins play). I'll probably end up watching the Red Sox - Rangers game (I love the young hitters on the Rangers) and check in on the Phillies score. I don't care for the incessant jumping from game to game on this StrikeZone Channel. I get about 1-2 minutes of Harry the K and then it jumps to six other games.
And even from those 1-2 minutes, Chris F'n Wheeler needs to SHUT THE HECK UP.
I don't think it's being televised at all because the announcers kept saying last night that the game wouldn't be televised (locally it seems) and were saying that there was that concert going on immediately following the game, yada yada yada.
Speaking of the Rangers......Robinson Tejeda (a guy I really liked) pitched a mighty fine game yesterday for Texas.
because De Aza (?) didn't physically touch it
thats not why it wasnt an error...it was not an error due to a gift by the hometown scorer....if the ball rolled right between his legs and under his glove and wasnt touched it would have certainly been an error...basically in tonioghts case the scorer was saying it was to difficult a play for the cf to have made and didnt warrant an error...which was bullshtein
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2007, 08:25:17 PM
because De Aza (?) didn't physically touch it
thats not why it wasnt an error...it was not an error due to a gift by the hometown scorer....if the ball rolled right between his legs and under his glove and wasnt touched it would have certainly been an error...basically in tonioghts case the scorer was saying it was to difficult a play for the cf to have made and didnt warrant an error...which was bullshtein
The home team's supposed to get those type of calls though. Utley could have been charged with an error but instead a hit was given to the home team.
Rollins is swinging the bat pretty well to start the season.
Well yea. And when he hits like shtein in a week, Utley and/or Howard will be hot. So then they'll be raking but no one will be on base. Now they are leaving men on base.
Such is life on the Phillies.
Indeed. Utley whiffs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2007, 08:25:17 PM
because De Aza (?) didn't physically touch it
thats not why it wasnt an error...it was not an error due to a gift by the hometown scorer....if the ball rolled right between his legs and under his glove and wasnt touched it would have certainly been an error...basically in tonioghts case the scorer was saying it was to difficult a play for the cf to have made and didnt warrant an error...which was bullshtein
I've seen a lot of these types of calls in the outfield, and if the outfielder doesn't touch the ball, it's not usually ruled an error. And yes, especially by the home scorer.
Between the legs is different than the play that occurred. Not applicable in this case.
And Howard hits the first pitch to first base.
2 on, 1 out, no runs.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 07, 2007, 08:36:00 PM
And Howard hits the first pitch to first base.
2 on, 1 out, no runs.
Maybe it's not such a bad thing that this game isn't televised. Saving me the cost of a new television.
Gold Glove Rowand pretends he's in Little League.
Garbage.
I've seen a lot of these types of calls in the outfield, and if the outfielder doesn't touch the ball, it's not usually ruled an error. And yes, especially by the home scorer.
Between the legs is different than the play that occurred. Not applicable in this case.
i thought you were saying a ball has to be touched to be an error
either way that was an error period...the ball was on the ground well before it got the the cf he had plenty of time to stop the ball and he whiffed on it....it was a classic error
Myers is pulled one batter too late.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2007, 08:42:47 PM
I've seen a lot of these types of calls in the outfield, and if the outfielder doesn't touch the ball, it's not usually ruled an error. And yes, especially by the home scorer.
Between the legs is different than the play that occurred. Not applicable in this case.
i thought you were saying a ball has to be touched to be an error
either way that was an error period...the ball was on the ground well before it got the the cf he had plenty of time to stop the ball and he whiffed on it....it was a classic error
I totally agree that it SHOULD be an error. I just rarely see the call made for an error.
Not a doubt that a CF should have easily had that ball cut off if he played it correctly. Should be a single - maybe a double if Rollins took the chance.
Willingham doing his Lance Armstrong impression tonight?
i drafted willingham in fanatsy...dropped him tuesday and just picked him back up...god im a nerd...kill me
you validated the nerd part with the grindhouse review
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 07, 2007, 08:44:59 PM
Willingham doing his Lance Armstrong impression tonight?
He's banging Cheryl Crow?
im begining to love Sarge in the booth...he's so bad, he just called his own son "Gary Jr. Mathews"
just over the last two games ive come to really like him...what he says is excellent his delivery is terrible tho....but hes getting better...he comes strong too unlike that sickening homer wheeler...calling out burrell on not tagging up was beautiful...and wheeler was gonna say nothing until sarge did...all wheeler said was "and the runner retreat back to their bases" and then he was ready to announce the next at bat
Quote from: SunMo on April 07, 2007, 08:55:56 PM
im begining to love Sarge
Call me.
And they blow another opportunity with 2 on and get nothing out of it.
We were spoiled growing up with Kalas and Ashburn - and for those slightly older, By Saam and Bill Campbell.
Hall of Fame announcers calling games for largely horrible teams.
From the tiny sample I heard of Sarge, I'd agree with IGY. He needs to work on his actual announcing, but he does call it the way he sees it, which is a plus when paired with a guy who owes his career to giving BJs to Bill Giles.
Great throw by Ruiz to 2nd. Nailed him.
Whitey died when I was pretty young (10ish). So I basically grew up on a senial Harry, Larry and Wheels.
Yea....
Quote from: MDS on April 07, 2007, 09:08:48 PM
Whitey died when I was pretty young (10ish). So I basically grew up on a senial Harry, Larry and Wheels.
Yea....
Sucks to be you. We've all been witness to some horrible baseball, but at least some of the "older" folk had some great announcers to help make the sufferage more palatable.
Even worse for the kids now. Harry is about to die, Wheels is all powerful and Sarge is...yea.
looking at the phillies stats i see what has to be a misprint
utley + howard = zero rbi this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 07, 2007, 09:13:43 PM
looking at the phillies stats i see what has to be a misprint
utley + howard = zero rbi this year
Nope. Harry just mentioned that they are a combined 0-14 with runners in scoring position. Ouch.
Good thing losses in April don't count...
Make that 0-15. Howard k's.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 07, 2007, 09:18:22 PM
Good thing losses in April don't count...
If the season started in May and ended in August, the Philles would have won the last 3 World Series.
howard is making me sick
Phils go down 1-2-3 in the top of the 8th.
8,9,1 hitters coming due up in the 9th. I suspect Rollins will get on base with 2 outs and will be left there.
Howard should bat 6th to give some protection to Burrell
Quote from: Wingspan on April 07, 2007, 09:50:59 PM
Howard should bat 6th to give some protection to Burrell
ha!
Utley finally gets his first rbi of the year. 2 out double btm 9.
8-4 fish.
Interesting....called a balk.
Rollins scores, Utley to 3rd.
0-2 to Howard with 2 out.
8-5.
Howard grounds out to shallow right. Game. Over.
Either he learns to hit the ball on the ground the opposite way, or that continues to happen (radical shift from defense that takes away hits to right side).
Zack Segovia goes tommorrow. I'll be freezing my nuts off covering a womens lacrosse game (apparantly, many of them are hot) so I'll miss that. Probably a good thing.
I listened to the game on the radio tonight because I had to work OT. Larry Andersen, who is great as an analyst does PBP in the 5th. He is terrible as a PBP guy. Franzke is actually pretty good too. SO nice to not have to hear Wheels at all tonight.
Howard and Utley need to get it going, And I know this team strikes out a lot....but holy farging shtein this is getting ridiculous.
I have no faith in Segovia and the BP winning today's game so they'll be looking at 1-5 heading into NY.
It's a beaut, Clark!
According to assclown Billy Beane strikeouts don't matter.
Saberbuttsecks!@@#!@#$
Howard is this year's Burrell!
Letterman!
Either he learns to hit the ball on the ground the opposite way, or that continues to happen
holy king cole batman!
learn to hit the other way??....all howard has done since he came into the majors is hit the other way
he just sucks this year
on the ground, my colored friend. on the ground.
yea howard has oppo power, but generally he pulls everyone of his singles. its not the greatest thing in the world, it would nice if he learned how to beat it, but perhaps he can hit a few homers and we can forget about all this.
zack segovia goes against an olsen twin today. horrible.
3-0 Phillies. Howard has a 2-run double... :paranoid
Howard's had a bad start, no doubt. But to say that he's going to flat-out suck is horrendously premature.
3-0 when I headed upstairs. 4-3 Marlins when I come back down.
Go team.
I don't think I've actually seen Rowand lay the ball on the bat this season.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 08, 2007, 01:58:12 PM
3-0 when I headed upstairs. 4-3 Marlins when I come back down.
Go team.
I didn't see that part, but supposedly Jayson Werth misplayed (or couldn't make the play) two balls in RF. Tommy Hutton wondered how Shane Victorino would have played the two balls.
youre right geo rowand is a zombie.....wheres scott linebrink
good aflac ?...rollins is second in the majors in runs the last three years....whos first....reyes?
bases loaded, 1 out, down by 2 with Brooks Robinson, i mean Wes Helms, coming up
sac fly to deep right, Utley scores...5-4 Marlins
Victorino, pinch hitting for Rowand, walks...bases loaded, 2 outs for Ruiz (pinch hitting for Barajas)
Ruiz grounds out to 2nd, inning over
Alfonseca came in and gave back in the run in 2 seconds. Then they wasted a 1 out Rollins walk. Now Geary is on the verge of blowing it wide open.
AIDS and SARS to all.
top of the 9th, 1 out...Howard on third, Helms on 2nd, 6-4 Marlins, Victorino up
tying runner in scoring position, hmmmmm what will happen :o
Victorino walks, bases loaded with one out, Ruiz coming up, Florida pulls their closer
i smell a game ending DP coming up
stop the online play by play before i kick you in the groin...youre above this
Ruiz pops up on the 1st pitch he sees, just awful, 2nd time he's done that this week.
Bourn up with 2 outs
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2007, 04:12:04 PM
stop the online play by play before i kick you in the groin...youre above this
no, i'm having fun
stikeout looking, 14 men LOB for the game
strikeouts don't matter, totally
I'm shocked I tell ya, shoked that we lost. F'n went down looking :-D
They farging suck
Quote from: SunMo on April 08, 2007, 04:15:26 PM
stikeout looking, 14 men LOB for the game
strikeouts don't matter, totally
I'm glad they worked on that from last year
this offense isn nauseating....if i hear most runs scored int he national league one more time im gonna puke...farg all of them...same old same old...it never changes...tomorrow in the paper we will hear the same shtein too...well turn it around...we just gotta get going...we have the team to win...i have confidence in my teammates....
anyone wanna add any others?
manuel has to be fired tonight...and if not tonight after the game tomorrow with tuesday a day off
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2007, 04:19:03 PM
anyone wanna add any others?
There's still
161, 160, 159, 158, 157, 156 games left
The most runs in the NL stat is misleading, because the Phils don't score runs consistently. They might blow it open one game and score 15 and then the next few they'll score 2 or 3 per game.
It's either everybody hits or nobody hits. They are way too streaky.
Ruiz first pitch swinging with a new pitcher in the game, bases loaded, and one out too. This is difficult to watch.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2007, 04:19:03 PM
manuel has to be fired tonight...and if not tonight after the game tomorrow with tuesday a day off
I have a perfect candidate, Joe Girardi. It'll never happen but it makes too much sense for it not too.
The most runs in the NL stat is misleading, because the Phils don't score runs consistently. They might blow it open one game and score 15 and then the next few they'll score 2 or 3 per game.
It's either everybody hits or nobody hits. They are way too streaky.
they arent even streaky...its not like they bang out clutch hitting and lots of runs for a one or two week period and then fade out.....they do 15 in one game...that aint streaky thats flukey
Ruiz first pitch swinging with a new pitcher in the game, bases loaded, and one out too
youre so right....what the farg was he thinking...perhaps the IQ of every player on this team is sub corky...but i tend to believe that it has something to do with the manager and his happy go lucky give it another shot tomorrow boys attitude....get charlie out of here and bring in someone that will tell these guys how to play or you play in farging ottawa
The players really like Chuckles and it's a good atmosphere. It's not his fault the bullpen sucks, it's not his fault they blow with RISP.
But I guess something has to be done to wake this fargers up. Same old shtein as last year. But he at least deserves until Memorial Day to get Garcia back in the rotation, see if Lieber is any good in the bullpen and give the bats some time to heat up. Howard looked good today, so that is at least a start.
Quote from: MDS on April 08, 2007, 04:29:38 PM
The players really like Chuckles and it's a good atmosphere. It's not his fault the bullpen sucks, it's not his fault they blow with RISP.
But I guess something has to be done to wake this fargers up. Same old shtein as last year. But he at least deserves until Memorial Day to get Garcia back in the rotation, see if Lieber is any good in the bullpen and give the bats some time to heat up. Howard looked good today, so that is at least a start.
I actually agree with this. I'm getting fed up with this team's performance as well but I'm not going to be this quick to drop the axe on Uncle Cholly just yet.
bullshtein....bullshtein....bullshtein
forget strategically....an area where charlie is the worst in the majors...his best buddie relationship with the players is out of control....i cant believe youd defend charlie in any way...and im someone that wants to castrate every player on the team...but the fact is they need a manager not a best friend...
Te misma mierda....the same shtein
This team had RISP problems when Bowa was the manager. It's not Charlie. He emptied the bench trying to get someone, anyone, to get a hit with RISP. Rowand got PH for, Barajas got PH for...both in the middle of an inning...got called back to the dugout.
This is Ruiz's second time this week swinging at the first goddamn pitch after a batter is walked ahead of him. Pitching change and instead of seeing what the new guy had, dude hacks at the first one he sees.
They had a manager before IGY, it was Bowa. And he was run out by the Hoydas.
bowa was manager???...lol...bowa was manuel strategically but he yelled like an idiot...so not only would a player not listen to him cause he didnt know how to manage but they also shut him out cause he was one of the great dickwads of all time...
neitrher bowa nor manuel can be respected and thats the problem...they need a valid mlb manager that can call a game AND hold players accountable...is that difficult to do??...i undertand what youre saying about the players and i agree to a certain extent...but how can you have all eight players play the same way...no matter who comes in...bell or helms...abreu or victorino....lofton or rowand...doesnt matter....its a culture thing more so than an individual player thing at this point
Jim Leyland. Oh wait....
Maybe it's Milt Thompson, he's about the only holdover from the Bowa staff other than Henderson and Billmeyer, correct? And those guys are bullpen coaches.
Bowa yelled and screamed at them, it didn't work. Charlie is a nice guy, who can yell but doesn't do it often enough, and the same shtein is happening.
All I know is it is infuriating as hell.
2nd consecutive 1-5 start and the 3rd in 4 years.
That's OK. It's fun playing in a hole all year long and it's cool to lose two series to division rivals to start the year and then have to go in and play another divisional opponent next.
At least those other years where they started 1-5, if I remember correctly, weren't all against divisional opponents. 1-5 is bad enough; but to be 1-5 in the division at this point of the year hurts that much more.
All I know is it is infuriating as hell
agree X infinity
j if you come to the $ dog day on the 15th lemme know and well discuss this over some lagers in the parking lot
Could be looking at 3-9 this time next week...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2007, 05:25:57 PM
j if you come to the $ dog day on the 15th lemme know and well discuss this over some lagers in the parking lot
i just realized that i have a bachelor's party on the 14th...the 15th is going to be rough for me
is it possible to drink less than nothing?
why must you judge me, just love me for who i am
i just wanna sit nearer to you this time
maybe i love you too much?
not possible...love is infinite
love is a poopie helmet
i cant believe there isnt more hatred towards the phils here....i know its an eagles board but still...i dont go to them but how are other boards...specifically that flag phillies board people always reference here...cant recall the name of it...
anyway im way more mad at the phils right now than i have been at the eagles since the superbowl
i need some fellowship venom
holla
I think we're all pretty pissed with the way they've been playing.....just as pissed as you. You're just more pissed off with Manual than some of us.
I hate them. But slightly less than every other baseball team. And I'm not sure that's what you're looking for from anyone in order to comiserate...
im certainly not looking for you...as you hate baseball and could care less about the phillies...i guess when im ultra pissed i like to look for hatred in numbers...makes me feel better....but baseball probably isnt the right sport to find that
i'm pissed, but it still is only a week into it...then again, i only expect their wins to be in the mid-80s. things are going according to plan
I'm pissed too if that helps.
what pisses me off the most is, after seeing their lineup and bullpen, how i really got my hopes up before spring training
see i wanna punch you in your face sun for bringing that "its only a week in" bullshtein...farg that...
i wanna slash jimmys throat for that we are the team to beat shtein...not cause he said it cause i loved it at the time...but because he said it and not one player on the team stood up and followed it...they all laid down like dogs this week...1-5 makes me wanna murder someone...but more than that the players on the team dont seem to give a shtein...i guess they too are thinking its only a week into the year...meanwhile the mets and braves are disappointed in a 4-2 start...but its only a week into the year for them too
how i really got my hopes up before spring training
exactly...and thats why im so farging mad right now...i wanna break shtein up....im so sick and tired of being amped up for another phils season only to see another 3-10 start...farg that shtein...can we get more for once...
I'm pissed too if that helps.
it does easy it does
It doesn't help that the Braves and Mets each get Washington at home this week while we get the Mets and Astros. Already 4 games out and could be 6 this time next week....
To be fair, Rollins has been putting his money where his mouth is: .300 BA, over .450 OBP, 3HR, 6 RBI.
Unfortunately, the rest of the team isn't hopping that freight train. The lack of testicular fortitide continues in the Philadelphia clubhouse.
Maybe J-Roll needs to take a page from IGY and start breaking stuff up.
This team was heartless and whiny under Bowa; it's simply heartless under Uncle Cholly.
It's looking like major moves have to be made, as this team is just not improving as-is.
They disgust me so much that I can barely even bring myself to talk about them. It seems like nothing ever chages with them, the same problems every year.
Having a leadoff man who swings for the fences every time he bats doesn't really help. Not to mention the fact that their reigning MVP is so out of shape that it's even noticeable in the presence of other baseball players.
They field good too.
They disgust me so much that I can barely even bring myself to talk about them
thats what im talkin bout
you think Mickey Mantle cares about you?
mickey who?
you mean mickey morandini??
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2007, 08:53:54 PM
mickey who?
you mean mickey morandini??
Can any Phils fan ever hear that name in their head without it being in the voice of Harry Kalas?
i heard it today in my head but it was ro-reee sa-ba-TINI
Mickey Mantle won't pay your rent
shouldnt you be watching tone-neee so-prahn-noooooh
like you won't
i get it, you're changing the thread title to be star wars movies. how gay.
I like it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 08, 2007, 05:25:57 PM
All I know is it is infuriating as hell
agree X infinity
j if you come to the $ dog day on the 15th lemme know and well discuss this over some lagers in the parking lot
Sounds good. I will let you know this week.
And I am pissed as hell at this team. They repeatedly said how they have to start fast and blah, blah, blah but when it comes down to it not a one of those fools will choke up on the bat with 2 strikes or with RISP and just put the ball into play. It always has to bee a big hack trying to drive the ball. That is what drives me crazy the most. That and the fact that Gillick, me, you, every Phils fan in the DelVal and several corpses knew the bullpen was a weakness and they did nothing to address it.
Hell, they even let Rick White walk away and he is, at least the last I checked, throwing well for Houston. If you have a stacked BP you let a Rick White walk. When you have the Phils BP you keep every Tom Dick and Harry in town and keep the best of who you got. White would be the set-up man here now by default. Now he's collecting stiffs like Rosario and Rick Bauer.
Madson is cooked. He's Gavin Floyd II. I do not like him.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 08, 2007, 09:41:22 PM
i get it, you're changing the thread title to be star wars movies. how gay.
welcome to last week
I think it's funny. I knew this was gonna happen.
But seriously I hate baseball.
The latest from Charlie Trite:
Quote"Am I concerned?" Manuel said. "Yeah. But I don't know what else I can do. Guys get in a position where they can win the game for you, and that's the only thing we can ask for. If they deliver, we can win the game.
"We need to win some games in New York. The only thing I can tell you right now is we need to win games. And how are we going to win games? We've got to execute better, situational hitting. And we've got to pitch better. And we've got to play better defense. Our game has to get better."
:puke
I am not pissed off about it.
It's not a playoff team. They weren't a playoff team last year, and they really didn't do anything to make themselves better this offseason, so there was no reason to believe this season would be any different.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 09, 2007, 08:22:58 AM
The latest from Charlie Trite:
Quote"Am I concerned?" Manuel said. "Yeah. But I don't know what else I can do. Guys get in a position where they can win the game for you, and that's the only thing we can ask for. If they deliver, we can win the game.
"We need to win some games in New York. The only thing I can tell you right now is we need to win games. And how are we going to win games? We've got to execute better, situational hitting. And we've got to pitch better. And we've got to play better defense. Our game has to get better."
:puke
If John McKay were managing the Phillies he would have said something to the effect of "We don't pitch or play defense very well, but we make up for it by not hitting."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04092007/sports/mets/so_far__phillies_all_talk_mets_mike_vaccaro.htm
I hope that Hamels pitches well again today and the bats come alive. You know the boo's are gonna be loud for Jimmy....beat the goddamn Mets.
they already booed the shtein out of him during intros...and for good reason.
hamels looks absolutely filthy today...that change to reyes was outrageous
2 on, 2 out, soft dribbler to 1st base.
Phillies. Baseball.
I think I am going to the game on friday...I can't wait to get there and boo the shtein out of Pat Burrell for stealing the hitting skills from everyone else.
Burrell and Hamels with the only hits so far :-D
Howard leads the NL in burritos eaten between innings.
a victorino type decision by john maine against victorino
Any idea why mlbtv is blacking out this game? bullshtein...why the hell did i get this?
you wont get any mets games in north jersey because of the blackout rule
oh and ryan howard is a disgrace
Look at the phillies manufacturing a run. It's the 1986 Cardinals all over again!
No.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 09, 2007, 01:52:52 PM
Look at the phillies manufacturing a run. It's the 1986 Cardinals all over again!
No.
Since the 1986 Cardinals finished about eleventy billion games behind the Mets that year in 3rd place and below .500, I hope to God it's not the 1986 Cardinals.
Huh, I thought that was the year they won the series with Ozzie Smith, and Terry Pendleton and Willie McGee bunting and stealing bases every single inning. Oh well, carry on.
that was vince coleman not willie mcgee
way to show your the team to beat Jimmy
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 09, 2007, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 09, 2007, 01:52:52 PM
Look at the phillies manufacturing a run. It's the 1986 Cardinals all over again!
No.
Since the 1986 Cardinals finished about eleventy billion games behind the Mets that year in 3rd place and below .500, I hope to God it's not the 1986 Cardinals.
Yeah, I was wondering about that too because the Phillies finished 2nd in the division that year and they were still a good 20+ games back in the standings.
Phils had the bases loaded with 0 outs. They scored 0 runs.
this team really is pathetic...words cant really describe it...good thing im in the office or else theres something broken in my house right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2007, 02:10:02 PM
that was vince coleman not willie mcgee
Willie McGee was on that team as well I believe.
I swear to christ this team is allergic to hitting with RISP.
Bases loaded 0 outs and they get nothing...AGAIN.
Earlier they got one lousy sac fly.
Howard does look like shtein. When he K'd he swung and missed and on the replay you could see about a foot of air between his bat and where the ball was.
This team is going to cause me to murder something.
This team is really farging annoying. Game should be over.
Willie McGee was on that team as well I believe.
yeah but he wasnt stealing a ton of bases and bunting a lot...that was firecracker vince
Willie McGee stole 56 bases in 1985. That was one of his best years, actually. He was the NL MVP that year.
trust me it was vince coleman who stole a ton of bases and almost literally bunted everytime up
No one's saying he didn't, IGY.
i dont care
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 09, 2007, 02:23:40 PM
No one's saying he didn't, IGY.
Farg it, I'll say he didn't. Just so it gives us something to talk about besides the farging Phillies.
mets show how to clutch hit
Yep
If you look at Coleman's lifetime stats, two things jump out at you:
First, his first three seasons he stole 100+ bases each year.
Second, considering how farging fast he was, the percentage of extra-base hits he had was miniscule. He had 170 hits his first season and only 31 of them were for extra bases.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/colemvi01.shtml
He was sandbagging on what could have been extra-base hits so he could pump up his stolen base totals.
Actually though, Coleman was never a power guy so it wasn't very often that he was getting the ball deep in the outfield to be able to pick up extra bases on his hits.
Another thing Vince Coleman was famous for (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13701-2005Mar7.html)
QuoteBefore then, however, he was roundly condemned for shrugging off the importance of Robinson's trailblazing efforts. "I don't know nothing about no Jackie Robinson," he infamously declared in 1991.
Or IGY was right. Admit it. I know it's hard the first time you try it but it gets easier.
bases loaded again, nunez strikes out ..lha
phillies have had bases loaded with less than two outs THREE times in the game and have gotten a single run out of it
Howard just ran over Nunez going after a pop-up. Reyes ends up on 2nd. :-D :'( :boom
hack howard with another fielding miscue....you can clearly see nunez yelling got it got it got it got it like ten times and howard still runs him over
howard now has as many errors this year as home runs and rbi combined
Hahaha...all I can do is laugh now. The fact that they left the bases loaded AGAIN and then we get to see Howard go across the pitchers mound with Nunez yelling I GOT IT is hilariously maddening.
And Howard almost was too slow again getting the ball out of his glove on that pickoff...Beltran almost beat it.
3-2 Mets.
No doubt, when Howard is not hitting, he's an albatross to the team.
Hamels should be easily winning, but these iceholes are screwing him again.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 09, 2007, 02:55:54 PM
No doubt, when Howard is not hitting, he's an albatross to the team.
This season, he hasn't been hitting either.
Here we go again......runners on the corner with 1 out. Utley and Howard up next. What's going to happen?
Victorino steals 2nd...2nd and 3rd w/ 1 out...
Get these runs home!
Are you farging kidding me?
Utley battles and battles and works it full and then K's on a shtein ass splitter.
Howard up.
They are not going to score again!
So far today:
0-8 w/RISP
9 LOB
About to be:
0/9 w/RISP
11 LOB
Howard looks lost at the plate right now.
Ryan Howard is clueless at the plate. Holy shtein.
He's swinging at offspeed stuff and missing it by two feet, no bullshtein. He's diving out and he looks like hell.
1-2 on him. This ain't good.
Oh my god.
Howard 3R HR
LIGOITOUGKLJSHVKJHSFOU*ETO*!
Burgos made a huge mistake and Howward actually made him pay.
Howard just crushed one out.
He didn't miss that last one.
Burgos made a mistake, and Howard didn't miss it.
Hopefully it gets him off the schnied. He's got a long way to go.
Howard gone! Slumps over (I hope). Up yours Shea.
praise allah
hahahah, reading the posts up this point was hilarious.
And now you all love Howard.
You people are ridiclous. :-D
That was a case of Burrell actually protecting Howard. Burrell's been swinging the bat pretty well so far this year and he's had a good day at the plate today. 1st base was open for them to put Howard on and they elected not to.
Burrell playing fanny tag again.
finally!
He still looks like hell though...thank Tollbooth Willie Randolph for being a shteinhead. He should have brought in Pedro Feliciano but he left Burgos in there.
Thanks, Willie.
It's about goddamn time, Howard. Now work on the whole diving out for offspeed junk and missing it by 2 feet with the bat.
(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/88/fullj.getty-73394688mh006_philadelphia__1_54_00_pm.jpg)
ha! And then Burrell gets caught looking. :-D
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:14:57 PM
And now you all love Howard.
You people are ridiclous. :-D
About as ridiculous as your manager for letting Burgos pitch to Howard.
Ryan looked like shtein and still does...he blasted a hanger by Burgos.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2007, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:14:57 PM
And now you all love Howard.
You people are ridiclous. :-D
About as ridiculous as your manager for letting Burgos pitch to Howard.
Ryan looked like shtein and still does...he blasted a hanger by Burgos.
Yup, he gift wrapped that. Hopefully Howard's confidence goes up and he starts producing. We've gotten shtein from him up to this point, the Mets may have awaken the sleeping giant.
This is Hamels' last inning since he started it with 86 pitches.
The scary part is they will need 9 outs from that bullpen.
Gotta hold 'em here, Colbert.
Lieber is warming up.
Mets announcers are verbally fellating Leiber.
Good job by Hamels today. He gets out of it and I guess we'll see Lieber as the 7th inning guy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2007, 03:20:39 PM
This is Hamels' last inning since he started it with 86 pitches.
The scary part is they will need 9 outs from that bullpen.
Gotta hold 'em here, Colbert.
Lieber is warming up.
Pitch count aside, I'd leave him out there. He's still throwing well, just pitched a great inning, and this win is too important.
Hamels pitched 6 pretty solid innings. Need the pen to do it's job so I can get me some fantasy points.
Agreed 100%. I was shocked he didnt bring in Feliciano.
But, you guys are nuts to have though he wasnt gonna snap out of it. Im watching with my buddy at work, and I called that shot.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 09, 2007, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2007, 03:20:39 PM
This is Hamels' last inning since he started it with 86 pitches.
The scary part is they will need 9 outs from that bullpen.
Gotta hold 'em here, Colbert.
Lieber is warming up.
Pitch count aside, I'd leave him out there. He's still throwing well, just pitched a great inning, and this win is too important.
I'd let him start the next inning too, at least if they go down 6-7-8 in this inning.
But then Charlie would get roasted by the pitch count fairies if he gives up a run or two.
And if they do go down 6-7-8 in order this inning and they move to the BP, Charlie has to do a double switch. Pull Burrell and put in Bourn and bat him 9th.
Kent Tekulve is on the mound for the Mets now.
Mets announcers are verbally fellating Leiber.
hamels all game as well
i really like the mets announcers....i wish the phils had a booth as half as good as them
if the phils had a bullpen hamels would win the cy young this year
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
Agreed 100%. I was shocked he didnt bring in Feliciano.
But, you guys are nuts to have though he wasnt gonna snap out of it. Im watching with my buddy at work, and I called that shot.
Well, I still wouldn't say hes out of it now yet. He still looks like a tee-baller hacking at the junk balls.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2007, 03:26:44 PM
Mets announcers are verbally fellating Leiber.
hamels all game as well
i really like the mets announcers....i wish the phils had a booth as half as good as them
if the phils had a bullpen hamels would win the cy young this year
This is the first time I've ever heard them, but I agree. They've been pretty enjoyable most of the game. Just thought they were a little excessive in talking up Leiber.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 09, 2007, 03:26:34 PM
Kent Tekulve is on the mound for the Mets now.
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/features/1997/swinginas/1974/images/pirates.jpg)
Dig the tinted glasses, yo.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:14:57 PM
You people are ridiclous. :-D
Philadelphia fans are weird, right?
Matt Smith in to pitch...don't know if it was a double switch or not.
I still wouldn't say hes out of it now yet
yeah hes nowhere near out of his slump...gotta have some consistency...the rest of this series will tell a lot...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
Agreed 100%. I was shocked he didnt bring in Feliciano.
But, you guys are nuts to have though he wasnt gonna snap out of it. Im watching with my buddy at work, and I called that shot.
Well, I still wouldn't say hes out of it now yet. He still looks like a tee-baller hacking at the junk balls.
Fine, maybe not. But the guy deserves a break.
He's the only reason the Phils mad the run they did last year.
Howard made a nice scoop on a low throw away from the bag. He's in a farging zone baby!!!!
Howard has to be a stud for this team to have any chance. Is it fair that we're so critical? Maybe not, but farg you.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
Agreed 100%. I was shocked he didnt bring in Feliciano.
But, you guys are nuts to have though he wasnt gonna snap out of it. Im watching with my buddy at work, and I called that shot.
Well, I still wouldn't say hes out of it now yet. He still looks like a tee-baller hacking at the junk balls.
Fine, maybe not. But the guy deserves a break.
He's the only reason the Phils mad the run they did last year.
Main reason, yes. Only reason, no.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2007, 03:32:18 PM
Matt Smith in to pitch...don't know if it was a double switch or not.
r u kidding me? double switch doesn't exist is Phillies playbook.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
Agreed 100%. I was shocked he didnt bring in Feliciano.
But, you guys are nuts to have though he wasnt gonna snap out of it. Im watching with my buddy at work, and I called that shot.
Well, I still wouldn't say hes out of it now yet. He still looks like a tee-baller hacking at the junk balls.
Fine, maybe not. But the guy deserves a break.
He's the only reason the Phils mad the run they did last year.
Yes, but that was last year. However, I do not believe he should be booed like he was at the last ATL game. He still should be called for the slow start though.
Smith doing a good job. 2 quick outs.
Jose Reyes is going to be a heck of a player.
Yes, he already is - I just think he's going to get even better. He's scary good.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 09, 2007, 03:35:10 PM
Howard has to be a stud for this team to have any chance. Is it fair that we're so critical? Maybe not, but farg you.
My contact at WVU says farg you too.
Well shtein. LoDooka gets a single....Beltran is up.
Reno Mahe > Ryan Howard.
There. I said it.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 09, 2007, 03:35:10 PM
Howard has to be a stud for this team to have any chance. Is it fair that we're so critical? Maybe not, but farg you.
My contact at WVU says farg you too.
I expect Rodriguez to leave for Alabama any day now, and the Mets still suck.
Beltran's bat just broke into about 30 pieces.
So much for Smith pitching well...
Walks Beltran and now Delgado comes up w/ 2 on.
Delgado will homer. Book it.
farg.
RBI single by Delgado.
5-4 Phils.
This motherfarging bullpen is a goddamn joke. It is impossible for this collection of stiffs to pitch a scoreless inning. Jesus christ.
:-D
Was it over when... the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
SHANE!!!!!
What a catch!!
Saves the lead.
Victorino with a helluva catch to end the inning. :yay
Victorino made a great diving catch.
there isnt a single guy in the phils bullpen other than gordon who has 'stuff'...and no one throws hard...all you have to do as a batter against these guys is wait them out...foul a couple balls off...work the count...and then get a hit...none of these guys is gonna get you out...
Victorino > God.
There. I said it.
So, instead of double-switching... Charlie has Geary lead off the 8th in a one-run game.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 09, 2007, 03:56:36 PM
So, instead of double-switching... Charlie has Geary lead off the 8th in a one-run game.
I have no clue what the hell is going through his head on that. The only thing I can think of is the fact that the Mets 6-7-8 hitters are due up next inning.
Three years into being a NL manager and that hayseed still hasn't figured out the double switch.
:-D :-D
2 quick singles the start the bottom of the 8th. Amazing.
typical Ph-ukin Phils. when's hockey season start????
48-year-old Julio Franco at the dish.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 09, 2007, 04:08:08 PM
48-year-old Julio Franco at the dish.
And he gets to take his walk(er) to first base.
Why the hell did Geory throw a breaking ball on 3-0?
Rollins with the... error.
TEAM TO BEAT! :-D :-D
TEAM
TO
BEAT
Bases loaded, 1-out, Reyes up.
All the Phillies can hope for is the Mets playing like the Phillies.
And ig, I'm listening to these three windbags on the Mets telecast, and I can't stand them.
Hernandez sounds like he's still doing lines in the booth.
Ridiculous.
Holy shtein they farging suck!
How much farging longer is Cholly going to leave Geory out there? Now he's over throwing the farging catcher.
6-5 Muts.
Ok igy......I'm on your "fire cholly" bandwagon as of 15 minutes ago.
Geary's been nowhere near the plate yet that piece of shtein retarded old motherfarger leaves him in to walk the bases loaded again.
I hate this team. I hate them, I hate them, I hate them.
Julio Franco trivia time!
QuoteAs of 2006, Julio Franco was the only active player to face a pitcher who pitched against Hall of Famer Ted Williams, who retired in 1960. The pitcher is Jim Kaat, who played in the majors from 1959 to 1983. Williams had batted against Kaat the final day of the 1959 season, Kaat's rookie year. Kaat walked Franco in the latter's rookie season in 1982.
Franco is the last MLB player eligible to wear a batting helmet with no ear flaps. He has elected to wear a helmet with an ear flap throughout his career.
Franco was the sixth batter that Roger Clemens ever faced.
Franco's true birthdate is always in question. Although his current reported birthdate is in 1958, many of he early bios and cards have his birthday listed in 1961.
charlie has to be fired tonight
Getting out of this inning only down 1 would be an accomplishment.
I hate this farging team. Hate, hate, hate.
Geoff Geary is slop.
Nice defense by Jimmy, and even better pitching by that retard Geary.
This bullpen is historically bad.
Where's the countdown to how many days until the Eagles start camp?
the Phils make the Flyers look like Stanley Cup champs.
1-6.
Yay baseball.
And Rowand throws the ball about 8 feet to the right of the plate from deep 2nd base.
flame thrower matt smith to flame thrower geoff geary to flame thrower jon leiber.....i cant imagine the fear in the opponent staring down that lineup of pitchers
Great throw by Rowand there.
Awsum!
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 09, 2007, 04:17:05 PM
Getting out of this inning only down 1 would be an accomplishment.
Good call. :-D
Don't forget that Hamels has another win blown.
And now its 9-5. 2R double by Wright.
FARG I HATE THIS FARGING TEAM!
Wright just doubles home 2 more runs.
the met announcers are just murdering jimmy on the team to beat comment...its so embarrassing for him...talks shtein and then has a huge error in a game where they go 1-6 to start the season
floodgates
Make an offer to run Burrell out of town! (http://www.patmustgo.com/index.html)
Mets have batted around now in the 8th. Mets fans are chanting "Jim-my Roll-ins"
ha!
hahaha....now the crowd
jim-eee roll-ins
this is one of the alltime embarrssing philly sports moments...and thats saying a lot
11-5 now. Alou clears the bases.
(http://ussmariner.com/features/baserunning.png)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2007, 04:23:10 PM
this is one of the alltime embarrssing philly sports moments...and thats saying a lot
I wouldn't take it that far. Nothing truly catastrophic has happened today. The pen blew a 2 run lead. That's just business as usual for this team.
Thank God Endy Chavez still has some Phillie in him.
ONLY 7 RUNS NEEDED TO WIN! GO TEAM!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 09, 2007, 04:23:53 PM
(http://ussmariner.com/features/baserunning.png)
Pretty much sums it up.
I don't know why anyone's upset. They only allowed seven freaking runs in that inning.
The Phils have:
1. Good starting pitching
2. An inconsistent offense that leaves numerous runners on base.
3. A :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom bullpen.
Major changes have to be made. MAJOR changes.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 09, 2007, 04:25:08 PM
ONLY 7 RUNS NEEDED TO WIN! GO TEAM!
They'll get 5 and leave a runner on 3rd.
Wagner should rub it in by throwing underhand.
I wouldn't take it that far. Nothing truly catastrophic has happened today. The pen blew a 2 run lead. That's just business as usual for this team.
im not talking about that im talking about the whole rollins thing
Chris Wheeler actually said something right for once and that was how overblown the whole Rollins comment was.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2007, 04:27:54 PM
I wouldn't take it that far. Nothing truly catastrophic has happened today. The pen blew a 2 run lead. That's just business as usual for this team.
im not talking about that im talking about the whole rollins thing
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. Yeah, that's rather embarrassing. Still wouldn't rate it among the all time embarrassing moments but it's up there.
fargin pat burrell
Quote from: mussa on April 09, 2007, 04:32:28 PM
fargin pat burrell
Burrell is the least of my concerns after watching this game today. I think he went 2-4.
Bullpen - sucks.
Offense - sucks.
Defense - sucks.
Managing - sucks.
Chuggie's mom - swallows.
Yeah, that's rather embarrassing. Still wouldn't rate it among the all time embarrassing moments but it's up there.
lets see
1. before the season starts you proclaim your team the team to beat
2. your one division rival then opens the season by sweeping you in your ballpark
3. then you lose two of three to another divisional opponent
4. the you go to your biggest rival...a team and its fans that have been amped up waiting for you to show...and in the 8th inning of a one run game you committ a atrocious error that leads to a seven run inning all the while the opponents announcing are literally laughing at you on air while the stadium mockingly chants your name
5. the team to beat starts the season 1-6
doesnt get worse than that
Yeah it does. If the Phils go on to take the next 2 games then it's all a wash.
It's almost as though none of you have ever watched the Phillies play before...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2007, 04:23:10 PM
hahaha....now the crowd
jim-eee roll-ins
this is one of the alltime embarrssing philly sports moments...and thats saying a lot
I agree, Jimmy was dumb to say it in the first place. Running your mouth does nothing but motivate the other team.
did the phillies win today?
Yeah it does. If the Phils go on to take the next 2 games then it's all a wash
yeah if the phils win the world series it wont matter either
but for now and since the start of the year and capped off by todays events its one of the biggest self ownages ever
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 155 games left ::)
I smell a player's only meeting brewing...
:-D
Quote from: Wingspan on April 09, 2007, 04:50:12 PM
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 155 games left ::)
and then there were 154, 153, 152.......someone stop the bleeding!!
I knew it. Once I saw it go 5-4 I knew this game was over for the Phils. I'm glad I didn't get a chance to watch it.
It's so difficult to watch or hear about this slop now.
This is to be expected now. Unfortunately.
Quote from: dis12 on April 09, 2007, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on April 09, 2007, 04:50:12 PM
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 155 games left ::)
and then there were 154, 153, 152.......someone stop the bleeding!!
What, 1-161 sounds bad to you?
I hate the attitude of this team. Someone in that club house needs to freak out and just come out and say they suck and they need to get better. A lot better. Someone needs to step up.
Howard is on Letterman tomorrow night. Yeah that'll be fun...
i listened to this abortion on the way home from Baltimore today...i almost induced an explosion in the tunnel
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 09, 2007, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2007, 04:23:10 PM
hahaha....now the crowd
jim-eee roll-ins
this is one of the alltime embarrssing philly sports moments...and thats saying a lot
I agree, Jimmy was dumb to say it in the first place. Running your mouth does nothing but motivate the other team.
It was dumb to say because the Mets are clearly better, and this was true in the Spring when he shot his mouth.
Sorry but I dont think the Mets needed any "motivation" to beat the Phils.
doesn't matter, they'll choke to a 85 win team in the playoffs again
Quote from: SunMo on April 09, 2007, 06:31:22 PM
doesn't matter, they'll choke to a 85 win team in the playoffs again
Repost!
ahahahahaha
kill me
Once again, I'd like to point out that 1-6 is FAR from mediocre.
i'd like to point out that you should fall down and skin your knees
I do frequently. From laughing. At the Phillies. And their fans.
C%
That's some good percent.
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Greatest avatar ever?
yes, but forget avatar...i'm buying one for my front yard
It was dumb to say because the Mets are clearly better, and this was true in the Spring when he shot his mouth.
it wasnt dumb to say it...i loved it when he did it and i still support him doing it...and him saying it is not in any way a reason why theyve gone 1-6...but that doesnt change the fact that the end result is beyond embarrassing
I'm glad Rollins displayed that confidence too. For the first time it seemed like the Phillies had an attitude like they had an objective or goal and felt that they can beat anybody. I'd rather him display confidence than capitulate to everyone else.
Too bad the team hasn't responded. Besides the bullpen, this offense just can't bring home runners. I think 69 left on base so far this season. Leads the majors.
Quote from: Eaglez on April 10, 2007, 09:42:24 AM
I'm glad Rollins displayed that confidence too. For the first time it seemed like the Phillies had an attitude like they had an objective or goal and felt that they can beat anybody. I'd rather him display confidence than capitulate to everyone else.
Myers has always been that way.
Quote from: SunMo on April 09, 2007, 10:35:13 PM
yes, but forget avatar...i'm buying one for my front yard
Commission an architect to build you a house that looks like it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2007, 06:29:15 AM
It was dumb to say because the Mets are clearly better, and this was true in the Spring when he shot his mouth.
it wasnt dumb to say it...
How was it not dumb to say?
In addition to having an underacheiving 1-6 team to deal with, now theres the additional distraction of the media & fans questioning his comments that shouldnt have been made in the first place.
There was no value in what Rollins said. As long as the Phillies are not in first place, all people are going to talking about is how Jimmy shot his mouth and couldnt back it up. Especially when the team is playing like a 3rd grade little league squad.
Obviously, the only way he would not be scrutinized is if the team wins the division, which puts a lot of pressure on a team that hasnt made the playoffs in 14 years.
actually theres little to no talk about his comments in philly (and when there is its support for them)...all the talk is coming out of ny and rightfully so...in philly its all about how bad the team sucks
like i said it uber embarrassing for rollins but the fact that he said it has no bearing to anything that has or will happen on the field
Rollins' comments would be equally meaningless if they came true or not. He wanted to express some confidence in his team, and he now looks a bit silly for it. Who really gives a shtein, and who gave a shtein in the first place?
the Mets obviously, they couldn't shut up about it.
you would think losing to a 85 win team in the playoffs would be motivation enough to play well this season, obviously not
Mets players and fans are all douches anyway. How could you be a New York City baseball fan and NOT root for the Yankees?
Rollins' comments would be equally meaningless if they came true or not. He wanted to express some confidence in his team, and he now looks a bit silly for it. Who really gives a shtein, and who gave a shtein in the first place?
disagree...on the field they would mean nothing
but if the phillies were 6-1 right now and beat the mets yesterday on a rollins game winning rbi jimmy would be a hero in the city right now and people would be worshipping him the same way people in ny are now killing him
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2007, 01:00:56 PM
but if the phillies were 6-1 right now and beat the mets yesterday on a rollins game winning rbi jimmy would be a hero in the city right now and people would be worshipping him the same way people in ny are now killing him
That's too true, we love to boo people mercilessly, even when they do well.
Quote from: SunMo on April 10, 2007, 12:56:27 PM
you would think losing to a 85 win team in the playoffs would be motivation enough to play well this season, obviously not
Um, no..
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 09, 2007, 06:30:12 PM
Sorry but I dont think the Mets needed any "motivation" to beat the Phils.
The fact that the Mets were the best team in the NL throughout last season, and would have pounded Detroit is all the motivation that team needs.
Rollins stupidity just added to the fun.
Rollins or not, this team has been abysmal this season thus far, pretty much all around.
- Wasted two good efforts by Hamels, and one by Myers.
- Fielding has been atrocious, pretty much all the way around.
- Baserunning mistakes galore.
- The relief pitching has been worse than abysmal. So bad I can't even think of an adjective that fits right now. Was anyone at all confident in that 5-3 lead going into the 7th inning? Or the 5-4 lead in the 8th?
- Uncle Cholly is a worse manager than Casey Stengel. Not Casey Stengel in the 1950s. Casey Stengel now, with 30+ years of rotting in his grave.
- The hitting had been extremely weak and inconsistent. Far too many strikeouts with men on base.
So to summarize:
- Bad hitting
- Bad baserunning
- Bad relief pitching
I'm surprised that this team has won a game at all.
Luckily I'll have the ultimate ditraction this summer, and may miss a large portion of the Phils' games this season. Otherwise I'll be would several televisions.
Haha @ abysmal. Did you watch 'Friends' yesterday by any chance, Geo?
The fact Charlie Manuel is still managing the team proves Gillick sucks hard.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 10, 2007, 02:07:37 PM
Haha @ abysmal. Did you watch 'Friends' yesterday by any chance, Geo?
Friends? I didn't watch that when it was popular.
All I watched yesterday was baseball, and the Soul game last night.
Baseball... a wonderful way of spending a vacation day. Even if the Phillies suck more than (RJS can insert his favorite porn star here).
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 10, 2007, 02:08:16 PM
The fact Charlie Manuel is still managing the team proves Gillick sucks hard.
Sal Fasano, Ryan Franklin, Jason Werth, Karim Garcia, Antonio Alfonseca proved that already.
and Rod Barjars
Friends?
lolol
Quote from: Wingspan on April 10, 2007, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on April 10, 2007, 09:42:24 AM
I'm glad Rollins displayed that confidence too. For the first time it seemed like the Phillies had an attitude like they had an objective or goal and felt that they can beat anybody. I'd rather him display confidence than capitulate to everyone else.
Myers has always been that way.
True. But to hear an everyday player say something like that was nice.
Anyways, without the benefit of hindsight, I liked the comment Rollins made. At the time, it was a good thing to say going into the season. I enjoyed it. It at least signals that Rollins wants to step up and be a leader. I can't fault him for trying to motivate this team. Too bad a lot of the guys didn't take it to heart. As a fan, at the time, I don't know how you couldn't like it. Either they are collectively (1) scared and intimidated that they cannot live up to the expectations so are now folding and crumbling under the pressure or (2) they just don't give a shtein. Both are plausible, and I don't know which one is worse.
I really hope that now since expectations are now elevated that Howard, Rollins, and Utley don't crumble. Who would have thought that Burrell would be probably the most consistent out of the bunch (at least for now)? The run in the 2nd half was nice last year, but there were no expectations really for this team in the 2nd half. Now that they have a full season ahead of them, it seems like they just can't hack it right now.
Good day this was an off day.
Oliver Perez is currently imploding, walking four in a row and hitting Barrajas to bring in three runs.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 11, 2007, 08:06:21 PM
Oliver Perez is currently imploding, walking four in a row and hitting Barrajas to bring in three runs.
Final tally: three runs, one hit:
- Utley single
- Howard walk
- Burrell walk
- Helms walk
- Rowand walk
- Barajas hit batter
All with two outs. Sele came in and struck out Eaton to end the inning.
5-2 Phillies through 6 1/2. :paranoid
Phils up by three (5-2), bottom of the 7th.
Tune in to see how the bullpen blows it tonight! :D
Holy farging shtein. A cat just ran out on the field.
:-D :paranoid
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 11, 2007, 09:23:16 PM
Holy farging shtein. A cat just ran out on the field.
:-D :paranoid
That orange tabby has some serious ups.
By the way, beautiful triple by Mr. Foot-in-Mouth tonight, then scoring on a medium-deep fly ball by the Happy Hawaiian.
A couple of things... the Mets announcers are awful. They showed the black cat from the '69 NLCS that spooked Chicago into losing. That was pretty cool.
End of 7... Eaton comes through and shuts the door.
Now it's up to the horseshtein bullpen. God help us all.
The six-fingered arsonist is warming up.
Howard looks lost at the plate. Another 2 LOB for him.
Bourn just worked a 10-pitch walk after being down 0-2. That was a great at-bat.
why wouldn't you pinch hit Dobbs in that spot?
oh yeah, Charlie is a dope.
Seven innings, two earned runs. Excellent start by Eaton. :yay
Because Helms = Brooks Robinson defensively.
Durr.
:-D
amazing that they will be 2-6 with the starting pitching theyve gotten...actually its not amazing its depressing
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2007, 10:05:44 PM
amazing that they will be 2-6 with the starting pitching theyve gotten...actually its not amazing its depressing
Yes indeed. Infuriating.
dont get me wrong im not gonna totally kill charlie for this but if gordon cant go two days in a row...and charlie has already said that he will not do that this year...then why do you bring him in in a three run game....seems to me youd wanna save him for tomorrow in a tighter game...also seems to me that this is a nice spot to bring madson in for a confidence boost...were he to get in any kind of trouble then you could come with gordon
it goes both ways...no guarantee tomorrow will be close...this is a save situation and gordons your closer...i just personally would have tried madson here
Gordon has Wright 1-2 and throws a piece of shtein hanger over which Wright promptly drives into right-center for a hit.
Here we go...
Alou K
Green 3U
a win!
a save!
:o
They won!
they MUST follow this up with a series win tomorrow
Game over. Phils 2-6. I'm going to bed and fantasize about chicks from the Hot Pants Patrol.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2007, 10:15:05 PM
also seems to me that this is a nice spot to bring madson in for a confidence boost
actually, Charlie has had a chance since opening day to boot Madson's confidence, but each time he's left him out there longer than he should've. since opening day, Madson was in 2 games that i can remember where he didn't give up anything in his first inning. Charlie should've pulled him then. instead, he pushed it and both time Madson gave up runs.
World Series!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2007, 10:17:38 PM
they MUST follow this up with a series win tomorrow
Moyer vs. Glavine
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 11, 2007, 10:05:44 PM
amazing that they will be 2-6 with the starting pitching theyve gotten...actually its not amazing its depressing
it's terribly depressing, of those 8 starts, Eaton's first is the only one you can call a bad one...
if only someone would've seen the bullpen could be a problem this year
Am I going farging nuts or does the box score really say 23 LOB in that game? Farg it. I was so desperate to see them win I just don't have it in me to bitch about it. Not to mention the fact that they got a solid pitching performance from Eaton.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 11, 2007, 10:34:53 PM
Am I going farging nuts or does the box score really say 23 LOB in that game? Farg it. I was so desperate to see them win I just don't have it in me to bitch about it. Not to mention the fact that they got a solid pitching performance from Eaton.
no way that is right...that would mean the bases were left loaded in at least 5 innings.
Yeah, I just went back and checked and it says 14 LOB.....which is still A LOT. I guess either MLB.com fixed it or I just went cross eyed for a minute.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 11, 2007, 10:34:53 PM
Am I going farging nuts or does the box score really say 23 LOB in that game? Farg it. I was so desperate to see them win I just don't have it in me to bitch about it. Not to mention the fact that they got a solid pitching performance from Eaton.
Boxscore says 14 LOB. Phils only had 5 hits all game. The Mets walked 11 hitters.
Charlie:
"We'll take 'em any way we can get 'em. A run's a run!"
it's terribly depressing, of those 8 starts, Eaton's first is the only one you can call a bad one...
myers at florida was pretty bad too
two bad starts = two wins
fine
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 154 games left ::)
I was observing Howard lastnight, it might just be my perception but is his right foot (forward foot) pointed slightly more towards right field causing his swing to pull more to the right? He doesn't look as square to the pitcher this season.
He's also a fatass that came into camp overweight. But that has nothing to do with it.
LOL - he was a fatass last year that had 58 home runs and 149 rbi's.
His weight has nothing to do with his swing being off. He's in a slump and he'll get over it eventually. Howard's the least of the problems facing the Phillies at the moment.
its not a definite hell get over it...hell get better just because he cant get worse
but its not like hes had seven good years in a row...hes only been in the league for a hot second...theres no guarantee that hes not the player we see now rather than the one weve seen the last year and a half
No. He's always been big. But this spring, he came in fat. There was a picture posted someone on here of him.
a picture on the internet!? that proves it!
All Star Game Photo
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/07/10/PH2006071001470.jpg)
Sprin Training Photo
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Fat Ass
i think its safe to say that howard will never hit .300 again or hit 50 homers...ill be happy if he turns into adam dunn with a higher average
put $20 on it
on what
never hitting .300 or 50 homers again
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2007, 10:21:56 AM
i think its safe to say that howard will never hit .300 again or hit 50 homers...ill be happy if he turns into adam dunn with a higher average
Quote from: SunMo on April 12, 2007, 10:23:07 AM
put $20 on it
I want in
never hitting .300 or 50 homers again
ill easily do that but lets do 40-20 since for me to collect i have to wait until howard retires....whereas you win the second he reaches one of those numbers
so if we're both still alive, and speaking to each other when Howard retires, and he never hits .300 or 50 homers, you get $40
if at the end of any season, he hits .300 or higher, or 50 home runs or more, i get $20?
done.
good point...that doesnt work...im out
if you want to do $20 in three years if he doesnt do it and then 20 when he retires im in
sounds good.
so if we're both still alive, and speaking to each other when Howard hits .300 in his last season in the majors you get $40
is that a question or statement?
its a statement
but essentially you made the same bet that you just talked me out of doing (unless you feel that strongly about howard doing it in the next three seasons)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2007, 09:53:06 AMbut its not like hes had seven good years in a row...hes only been in the league for a hot second...
So the 3.5 great years in the minors and 1.5 great years in the majors (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/ryan-howard.shtml) are a fluke?
i never said fluke
adam dunn is nothing to be ashamed of
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 12, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2007, 09:53:06 AMbut its not like hes had seven good years in a row...hes only been in the league for a hot second...
So the 3.5 great years in the minors and 1.5 great years in the majors (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/ryan-howard.shtml) are a fluke?
I was gonna post the same thing but I knew he'd counter with minor league pitching and smaller parks or some crap.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2007, 11:18:53 AM
adam dunn is nothing to be ashamed of
He's white. Howard's black. Are you calling Howard an Uncle Tom? Racist.
Adam Dunn is a more frustrating LH version of Pat Burrell.
adam dunn is a 40 homer 100 rbi 100 walk strikeout machine who hits for a low average
if howard does all that but hits for a better average then that wouldnt be such a bad thing
you really think hes a .315 50 homer 150 rbi guy
not gonna happen
hopefully hes better than dunn and becomes a juan gonzalez type...all im saying is he could be either
Right - he could be better. He could be Babe Ruth but he's not. Expecting better than 58/149/.314 is ridiculous on your part.
Babe Ruth was white. What are you saying?
I don't know about .315, but I think he'll do 50 homers and 150 RBIs again. Hell, he might eventually hit .315 again, but doing it while hitting 50+ homers? Don't know about that one.
Expecting better than 58/149/.314 is ridiculous on your part.
ha...seriously
who said they expect him to do better than that romey?
Rollins goes yard to leadoff the game. Phils up, 1-0.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 12, 2007, 07:12:56 PM
Rollins goes yard to leadoff the game. Phils up, 1-0.
The Phightless Phils follow that up with:
- Victorino walk
- Utley fly out to right (hit pretty hard)
- Victorino thrown out at 2nd trying to steal
- Howard walk
- Burrell walk
- Helms strikes out
David Wright is a f'ing machine. You can't hit anything by him.
Jimmy Rollins, homer number two.
Quote from: NGM on April 12, 2007, 07:45:33 PM
Jimmy Rollins, homer number two.
And now leading the National League. :o
Rollins owns NY and their fans. He backs up his talk.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 12, 2007, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: NGM on April 12, 2007, 07:45:33 PM
Jimmy Rollins, homer number two.
And now leading the National League. :o
I'm waiting for IGY to step in and be a complete buzzkill.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 12, 2007, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: NGM on April 12, 2007, 07:45:33 PM
Jimmy Rollins, homer number two.
And now leading the National League. :o
I would have posted that as well if I could have stopped laughing so hard after I heard the commentator say it.
Rollins is the money
Alou single, Green hbp to start the bottom of the 2nd.
Glavine bunts, Helms throws it away, Alou scores. 3-2.
Helms is a butcher. This will be an ongoing problem.
Thank god Rollins swings for the fence every at bat and strikes out 110 times a year. He sure is a good leadoff hitter.
Strike outs don't matter with hitters, especially lead off guys. billy beane willl back me up.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 12, 2007, 08:06:08 PM
Thank god Rollins swings for the fence every at bat and strikes out 110 times a year. He sure is a good leadoff hitter.
Only hit 110 strikeouts once, hasn't had more than 80 in the past three seasons:
2001: 14 HR, 108 K
2002: 11 HR, 103 K
2003: 8 HR, 110 K
2004: 14 HR, 73 K
2005: 12 HR, 71 K
2006: 25 HR, 80 K
.330 career OBP. Awesome!
his OBP sucks, granted. but he scores a ton of runs, so he must be doing something right
Quote from: rjs246 on April 12, 2007, 08:10:53 PM
.330 career OBP. Awesome!
I said nothing about his career OBP, which is below par for a traditional leadoff hitter. I've always personally believed that Rollins would make a much better #2 hitter.
However, you talked of going for the homerun and striking out "110 times a year." That is just not the case, no matter how you want to spin it to be able to continue to post your vitriolic attacks about a sport which you claim to not care for at all.
Howard should be batting leadoff with Rollins in the 4-hole.
i was in your mom's 4-hole last night
I just like to stir the pot. Rollins is miscast as a leadoff man and the love he gets is ridiculous.
I'm waiting for IGY to step in and be a complete buzzkill
howard will do that fine all by himself
They're losing. How did that happen? WTF mate?
welcome to 2 innings ago
howard on the year
.188
11 k's
11 hits + rbi
and the worst part is he just looks brutal doing it
id like to know what % of runs the phils have scored this year are off homers...aint a damn thing changed...they dont homer they dont win
quick...someone figure it out
Burrell just got under one. Warning track power.
With a one-run deficit, I should be more hopeful. I already am chalking this one as a loss. 2-7.
Howard looks awful at the plate, my assessment of his batting stance is correct, farg off if you disagree.
Once again the offense is nothing but HRs. If they don't go yard, they don't score. Same old shtein.
This team is squeezing the bats so tight they're turning to sawdust.
Rollins is tied for 3rd in the ML with 8 walks (Howard leads with 11 & Burrell has 8 too)
Stark on the Phils:
QuoteFloodgates opening with bullpen door
Philadelphia Phillies Problem No. 1: The bullpen
OPS against this crew before its two shutout innings Wednesday: .949, worst of any pen in the National League. And those three crushing blown saves last week might not be an aberration if you stack the stuff of this group up against the other bullpens in the league. "They've only got one power arm out there [Tom Gordon], and he's 39 years old," said one scout. "What happens if, or when, he goes down? I think they're in huge trouble."
Problem No. 2: Situational hitting
Offense is supposed to be this team's strength. But when you hit .179 with men in scoring position, you're just asking for the kind of disaster that has ensued. "We've had unacceptable offensive production," said assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. "Unacceptable. We've had opportunities to break games open, and we haven't done it. And by not scoring more runs, we're putting more pressure on our relievers, because they've had no margin for error. Then we blow a couple of saves, and everything just snowballs."
Problem No. 3: Dumb baseball
They've run into big outs, rushed through at-bats with men on base and had all kinds of inexplicable defensive issues. Which was exactly what wasn't supposed to happen after they overhauled half the coaching staff. "A big part of this blame has to sit on the players' shoulders," Amaro said. "These are players who have played in the big leagues for a while now. They've got to know when to take the extra base and when not to. They've got to know when to swing at a 2-and-0 pitch and when not to."
If you've followed this team, you know the two things you can count on every April are Easter egg hunts and another April debacle by the Phillies. They've now started 2-6, or worse, in three of the last four years. But while they found ways to get back into contention the previous two times, that's a precarious tightrope to walk this year, when the Braves and Mets appear 100 percent for real.
"We'd better get it going," Amaro said. "Or we're going to find ourselves selling suntan lotion in September."
Stark's an idiot sometimes, but he's about right on that one.
I just wish it wasn't with 2, 3, 4 years of precedents.
Moyer K's Beltran. He escapes more trouble because the bases were loaded and it was 3-2.
moyer is something else
Souderton what?
Dude's fastball was 78mph tonight. And yet he knows how to spot pitches so well that he keeps guys off balance. When I have a kid I am forcing the bastich to throw LH.
Jesus christ....the Phils got a basehit. Helms has two seeing eye singles tonight.
Now Rowand and Ruiz will end it.
Rosario will probably be the new pitcher.
Oh my god. Ed Montague is trash behind the plate.
He just rung Rowand up on a ball.
And I was right.
Rowand and Ruiz ended it. Rowand K's and Ruiz hits into the 4-6-3.
Great job, dickbags.
this team has either stars or garbage, they don't really have any solid role players
ruiz is a double play machine
the bottom of their lineup is just awful...and with howard trash this year and victorino not a full time major leaguer the middle and top aint so good either
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2007, 09:21:48 PM
Dude's fastball was 78mph tonight. And yet he knows how to spot pitches so well that he keeps guys off balance.
They were off balance because he kept hitting them.
I kid though.......it was a decent outting for him. Gave up one run on a throwing error by Helms and then 2 more because Helms fell down trying to cover 3rd on another Glavine bunt. Not very often you'll say a pitcher had a decent outting despite hitting 3 batters.
Wright triples.
Condrey is the pitcher.
The bullpen wastes no time farging this one up as Wright is singled in by Alou.
Great job, bullpen!!
Wrld. Srs.
that is incredibly accurate.
the way it looks now, they are going to have to fight off the Marlins to get 3rd place in the division
Clay Condrey is tonight's guest arsonist.
Quote from: SunMo on April 12, 2007, 09:34:12 PM
the way it looks now, they are going to have to fight off the Marlins to get 3rd place in the division
Only because the Nationals are barely a AAA team.
Nats lead the Braves 1-0.
That is their first lead ever this season.
Mike Bourn leads off for the Phils.
must be nice to have moises alou and shawn green manning the six and seven holes in your linep...the phillies have wes friggin helms and rowand
i cant believe helms is in the majors for seven years and it took the phillies to decide hes all of a sudden a starting player...theres a reason he never was before idiots...
Werth PH'ing for Bourn draws a walk...Rollins up.
Come on, offense.
Come on, defense.
Motherfarging beautiful.
Walk, pop out by Rollins, double play by Victorino.
Bums.
this offense sucks!
rollins trying to hit another homer even tho they are down two and need base runners
victorino is just straight terrible...ill say it again cant believe hes a starting mlb outfielder
The only thing left to hope for is that they get after that vadge Billy Wags. That would be nice.
I'd like to see Burrell take him yard
nice to see madson have a good inning
i really dont wanna see howard face wags right now...its gonna be ugly
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 12, 2007, 09:49:35 PM
rollins trying to hit another homer even tho they are down two and need base runners
someone was on 1st, it would've tied the game. i don't blame him, he's the only one doing anything tonight
Jesus...someone PLEASE tell Sarge that it is Moises Alou....not Moeeece Alou.
Utley lines out to LF...
Howard doubles to LCF as Billy tries to sneak another fastball by him. Howards first oppo field hit.
COME ON PAT. GO YARD!
Burrell just missed that sonofabitch. Pops out to LF.
It is up to Wes Helms.
Phreak - I was screaming "Patricia" at Shea last night :-D
almost
Phillies offense:
3/22 with RISP
25 men LOB
Yay offense!!
Helms at 3-1 count and the whore grounds out to 3B.
Game over.
2-7.
Rejoice in the streets of South Philly!
Watching Wagner makes me realize how much better Rivera is than any other closer in the game.
And I hate the farging Yankees.
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 12, 2007, 09:58:44 PM
Phreak - I was screaming "Patricia" at Shea last night :-D
Good job. :-D
Didya get in the "TRIPLE A, PAT! TRIPLE A!"?
hey howard got a hit off wagner...with the way howard is swinging the bat i cant believe wagner didnt waste a pitch against him 0-2
this team is so done
As bad as the bullpen is right now, the Phils' biggest problem is their offense.
Mets series:
Game 1 = 7 hits, 10 K
Game 2 = 5 hits, 6 K
Game 3 = 6 hits, 5 K
This team's situational hitting was inconsistent last year; this year it's been nonexistant.
And Manuel's specialty is supposedly as a hitting guru.
its rollins howard utley and five bums in the lineup...what do they expect to happen
wow they really suck. well this is great.
Bums
When did Ryan Howard start chawing?
Quote from: NGM on April 13, 2007, 07:26:35 PM
When did Ryan Howard start chawing?
Probably right after getting booed at CBP last week.
That was THE MOST PATHETIC three-run rally I have witnessed in 25 years of watching baseball.
Phils up 3-0. Oswald must have pissed off the Lord somehow. :-D
what did he have a 43 pitch inning?....unreal
has anyone said recently how bad the phils announcers are.....i havent heard every teams but they are the worst baseball announcers i can remember
I love Harry the K but he sounds drunk every telecast, Wheels is a pretentious turd, and Sarge is...a mongoloid?
sarge appeared to be taking some baby steps in the florida series but hes right back to sounding like kirk douglas
Myers might as well of served that one up on a silver platter. 5-3 Stros. There goes the neighborhood.
im so sick of myers....what a waste of talent
If Myers takes the mound in the 4th I'm going to explode. Not only is he pitching like a steaming pile of dung, but he's gotta be somewhere close to 70 pitches already.
watch how meekly the phils offense goes down now that they are behind
ground out to ss and a strike out to start the inning.
and a fly to left to end it.
awesome.
why do we do this to ourselves every night
im home watching the phillies on a computer instead of at the bar
x2
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 13, 2007, 08:11:59 PM
If Myers takes the mound in the 4th I'm going to explode. Not only is he pitching like a steaming pile of dung, but he's gotta be somewhere close to 70 pitches already.
:boom :boom :boom
Starts the inning and walks the first batter. Good job Cholly.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2007, 08:09:27 PM
im so sick of myers....what a waste of talent
But he lost 50 lbs. and stopped beating his wife
86 pitches through 3 innings plus the 2 batters he's walked to start the 4th. :-D
seven innings pitched in his last two starts....way to go ace
Way to go, Lieber
It's flat out comical at this point. A 2 out grandslam in the 3rd and a 2 out 3r homer in the 4th.
Ace with another quality start, lifelong starter continues to suck out of the bullpen, offense continues to not do anything, Wes Helms is batting 5th?
Football can't get back soon enough.
lets see what the phils power guys do when they get an opportunity
Not bad. But you cannot expect that 8 to stick up there with how zesty the Phils bullpen is.
there ya go ryan
now the black hole from 5-9
Helms
Werth
Rowand
Barajas
Sounds like a playoff lineup to me.
:-*
Myers = ACE
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wheres j
Right here...yeah, he looked like hell tonight. But so did Oswalt. I have a feeling that it was the cold ass weather affecting both of them tonight. Two bad starts in a row = cannot happen.
The ace is supposed to be the stopper and Brett hasn't shown that yet.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2007, 09:10:08 PM
Right here...yeah, he looked like hell tonight. But so did Oswalt. I have a feeling that it was the cold ass weather affecting both of them tonight. Two bad starts in a row = cannot happen.
The ace is supposed to be the stopper and Brett hasn't shown that yet.
And the Hentz excuse train pulls into the station.
ha
its cold out tonight but the last time he pitched was in miami and got raked
maybe he needs seasonable temps to pitch well
Is this the Phillies game thread?
No, that's over in aisle 6 between the tampons and midol.
holy god why would you go home there...the run means nothing
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2007, 10:20:50 PM
holy god why would you go home there...the run means nothing
Victorino has decent speed and I don't have a problem with sending him home. It took a perfect throw to get him.
The baserunning continues to be a joke. The players themselves suck balls, then the coaches are even worse sending them. Bases loaded nobody out vs. a 30/70 shot to cut it to one run. How hard is it to find a 3rd base coach with a brain?
the runs means nothing tho even if he makes it...theres no way you ever go home on that play....honestly thats baseball 101
i missed the replay that showed it...was he sent...or did he go
he was sent but apparantley safe. either way the throw beat him there and it was too close to pull the trigger. this team really sucks.
lost in all of that is that wes helms farging sucks
Carlos Lee homers again.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 13, 2007, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2007, 10:20:50 PM
holy god why would you go home there...the run means nothing
Victorino has decent speed and I don't have a problem with sending him home. It took a perfect throw to get him.
I agree with IGY. They needed two runs. You don't send unless you KNOW he scores. Can't make the first out there, or you run the risk of scoring nothing.
And guess what happened. :boom
8 hits = 9 runs
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 13, 2007, 10:31:18 PM
Carlos Lee homers again.
El Caballo owns the Phillies.
On the plus side, at least the Phils hit... some.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 13, 2007, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 13, 2007, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2007, 10:20:50 PM
holy god why would you go home there...the run means nothing
Victorino has decent speed and I don't have a problem with sending him home. It took a perfect throw to get him.
I agree with IGY. They needed two runs. You don't send unless you KNOW he scores. Can't make the first out there, or you run the risk of scoring nothing.
And guess what happened. :boom
Normally, I'd agree. The out is more important than the run. I'm just looking at it like this......they suck and need to score. Doing it the "conventional" way hasn't worked for this team yet this season so if you have a chance to score, then go for it.
On the plus side, at least the Phils hit... some.
they scored runs as they usually do when they are up 5 or down 5
when the game tightens up tho and they really need runs they cant ever get them
ha. my roomate had an extra ticket he got for free but neglected to tell me because i wasnt in the room at the time. im actually happy he did, cause i woulda gone.
all thats left of this season is to see how hard ryan howard falls off...i hope he hits .210 with 19 homers....theres not enough bad things that can happen to this team
Damn igy, why you trying to keep a brutha man down?
farg them all... black white yellow what ever victorino is...i hope they all suffer
as for howard im not ready to use the F word that easy threw out the other day but hes gonna have an epic drop off this year...and the bigger it is the better....stop spittin in your gloves after every pitch bama
If I cared about the Phillies as much as I do the Eagles, Sixers, and Flyers I might actually be angry. I just feel bad for all you guys who watch every game and the people who go down there.
What a brutal time for Philly sports. Someone give us something.
I'm starting to watch more Minnesota Twins baseball when the @#*(@&*@#&(*@ Phillies aren't playing. I just love the way they play baseball. They do things the right way. They also have a A-ball team near where I live, and train there as well (Ft. Myers).
Of course, that just gets me more pissed off to watch the Bad News Phillies stumble around the field like a Three (Nine?) Stooges act.
The Twins are a hard team not to like. Plus they've got one of my favorite players in Torri Hunter.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2007, 10:43:29 PM
all thats left of this season is to see how hard ryan howard falls off...i hope he hits .210 with 19 homers....theres not enough bad things that can happen to this team
You sound like a farging idiot. Shut the hell up with that bullshtein.
people think the pitching is ok.....
player - ERA
B. Myers 9.39
J. Lieber 11.57
R. Madson 7.71
Adam Eaton 6.94
Tom Gordon 6.00
Geoff Geary 5.40
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 13, 2007, 11:25:13 PM
The Twins are a hard team not to like. Plus they've got one of my favorite players in Torri Hunter.
Exactly. This year my schedule only allowed one trip to the Twins' spring training this year, and that was before full squads reported. It's one of the most enjoyable, relaxing things I can do. There are usually about 100 people there (compare to 1-2,000 at the Red Sox across town, which is a complete zoo), and the players are constantly crossing the fan area to get from one field to another.
I took my three-year-old son with me, and of course he was more interested in me pitching the wiffleball to him (my 3-year-old is already over 3½ feet tall and can actually hit underhand pitching) than in watching the major leaguers. And the baseball fields are about the only places in Florida that you can find real grass. Michael Cuddyer actually pitched him a couple of balls and commented on how good he looked for his age. Of course he was just trying to be nice, but I couldn't help but swell a little with pride.
Wonderful time. Hopefully next year I can make it a couple of times when all the players are there.
Quote from: MURP on April 13, 2007, 11:51:41 PM
people think the pitching is ok.....
player - ERA
B. Myers 9.39
J. Lieber 11.57
R. Madson 7.71
Adam Eaton 6.94
Tom Gordon 6.00
Geoff Geary 5.40
No one thinks the pitching is okay. The starting pitching was supposed to be good. Eaton is a 5th starter, he's pitched like it (one good, one bad). Moyer can keep them in the game (check). Hamels has been great. Garcia starts Sunday. Myers is the farg up. He's supposed to be the ace and he's looked like pimpled ass warts in 2 of them.
It's the bullpen, which we knew was shtein, and has been shtein. It's the situational hitting which continues, from the Bowa era, to be non existent. It's the stupid ass mistakes like sending Victorino that constantly ruin rallys. It's the stupid personal decisions like Wes Helms, Rod Brajas, Ryan Franklin, David Bell and so on that just farg things up.
Bad upper management. Bad coaching. Mediocre outside of 5 players (Utley, Howard, Rollins, Hamels, Garcia). farg this.
Quote from: MDS on April 13, 2007, 09:13:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2007, 09:10:08 PM
Right here...yeah, he looked like hell tonight. But so did Oswalt. I have a feeling that it was the cold ass weather affecting both of them tonight. Two bad starts in a row = cannot happen.
The ace is supposed to be the stopper and Brett hasn't shown that yet.
And the Hentz excuse train pulls into the station.
Yeah right...like I said he stunk and he should be the stopper to losing by being the "ace" and he didn't do that.
But I do wonder, even though as IGY pointed out he got raked in Miami, if the weather was an issue tonight. The only reason I say that is because Oswalt was garbage too (both are on my fantasy team, yay me!!)
2-8 is great though. Beautiful.
And sending Victorino was stupid.
Bums
Anyone that ever thought Myers would be an ace was delusional.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 14, 2007, 08:58:11 AM
Anyone that ever thought Myers would be an ace was delusional.
I was hoping that he at least wouldn't be the joker.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2007, 10:43:29 PM
all thats left of this season is to see how hard ryan howard falls off...i hope he hits .210 with 19 homers....theres not enough bad things that can happen to this team
Don't be a farging assclown.
You sound like a farging idiot. Shut the hell up with that bullshtein.
NO
go root for the magic
Look at the idiot who's cheering against the Phillies and Ryan Howard telling me to go cheer for someone else.
:-D
You really are a laughably ridiculous fraud. Go whore yourself on the taterskins message board, jackass, because that's clearly where you belong.
damn right i will....the phillies are the disgusting fraud and i hope they lose 115 games so the house can finally be cleaned
but mostly i want the players to suffer more than me
but again youre supposedly a proud philadelphian yet you root for a florida team...your opinion on such matters is pretty much null and void
enjoy the nba playoffs
"We're a lot better team than we've been showing," Manuel insisted before the game. "If you stay after it and stay positive, you'll hit a streak. And when we do, we have the team that can get us right back in the division."
"We're a lot better team than we've been showing," Manuel insisted before the game. "If you stay after it and stay positive, you'll hit a streak. And when we do, we have the team that can get us right back in the division."
"We stayed after them and battled them," Manuel said. "When the effort is there, it's hard to go in and chew their [butts]. That's not how it's done."
"We've got the team to get back in this," Manuel said. "I believe that."
I guess the next step is a courthouse in CBP:
QuoteDespite added security, another rowdy College Night at ballpark
STEVEN M. FALK/Daily News
Despite the Phillies' best efforts to avoid the rowdiness of their first College Night last week, last night's College Night again was plagued by disorderly young fans.
In the sixth inning, a fan ran onto the field and halted play. That incident was not isolated, as fans strew the field with debris and were ejected for rowdiness.
This was despite an increased security presence, along with restrictions to beer sales in the upper decks, in an attempt to bring greater crowd control to College Nights.
The first College Night, Wednesday, April 4, resulted in 31 fan ejections.
"We don't have to do these kinds of things on a normal Sunday night," said Mike Stiles, Phillies vice president of operations and administration.
Stiles said that while the average number of ejections at Citizens Bank Park was seven per game last season, College Nights more than doubled that, with an average of 16 per game.
"We're pleased with the increase in attendance of college fans," he said, "but we don't want to ruin the experience of other fans, by bad fan behavior." *
- Nolan Rosenkrans
Fan who ran on the field lastnight:
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Bahaha. I heard about that. The guy ran around the field, got denied from Rollins for a handshake, then went to the LF and tried to climb out. He juked out and evaded security a few times before finally being caught.
Yet still has a big smile on his face
He was drunk as shtein, of course he's happy.
I've been to CBP about 15 times now...and I have had some of the most miserable experiences I have ever had at baseball games because of the fans.
And those had nothing to do with the team on the field. I have had more problems at phillies games than eagles games.
As pretty as it is..the atmosphere the place has taken sucks.
CBP is becomming a "place to go" for college kids, high school kids and middling 20 somethings. Even if they don't like baseball, it's a "hip" place to go and hang out and whatever. This ruins things.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2007, 11:44:22 AM
Blah.
Keep skating, IGY.
You're full of shtein and you're a disgrace as a fan if you're cheering against your home team. Booing is one thing; rooting for them to fail is another.
Go farg yourself, fraud.
Utley put one up in the 2nd deck. 1-0 Bums
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 14, 2007, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2007, 11:44:22 AM
Blah.
Keep skating, IGY.
You're full of shtein and you're a disgrace as a fan if you're cheering against your home team. Booing is one thing; rooting for them to fail is another.
Go farg yourself, fraud.
I guess that would make most of us frauds since we've been rooting for the Sixers to lose every game for the last 4 or 5 months.
It's a completely different situation. Of course, you knew that already.
Phils caught a break, Biggio looked safe on that play at the plate.
4-1 Astros :boom
That was fast. I left the room for a little and boom, it was 401. Burrell did leave the bases loaded. 2-9 kill me.
hahahahahaha! I ran down to the store real quick to grab some smokes. It was 1-0 when I left and 4-1 when I got back.
I don't agree with it personally, but I can understand why IGY wants this team to lose. They are a bunch of losers, and epitomize the opposite of everything Philly is about, and winning is about.
:-D
Jinx'd
well maybe not, still a lot of innings left to play to disgrace themselves yet.
Rollins blasts another one to tie it up. Dude has definately been backing up his talk so far this year. Too bad no one else on the team is stepping up.
Who the farg does Joe Girardi think he is? An analyst that played the game, knows what they're talking abou, and actually speaks clearly? Give me a break.
Cole Hamels must not have liked the fact that they were talking about how awesome a player/person/Texan redneck that Lance Berkman is. So he hit him.
5-5, bottom of the 6th. Cole's day is over
I've been to CBP about 15 times now...and I have had some of the most miserable experiences I have ever had at baseball games because of the fans.
And those had nothing to do with the team on the field. I have had more problems at phillies games than eagles games.
As pretty as it is..the atmosphere the place has taken sucks.
(http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2005/113-2/crybaby.jpg)
They IBB Howard with Utley on 2nd and Burrell makes em pay with an RBI single. Wow.
Then Manuel takes him out for Bourn in btm of the 6th. Wow.
2-run lead with 3 bullpen innings to go. yikes
Then Manuel takes him out for Bourn in btm of the 6th. Wow.
he most likely isnt gonna see the plate again until the 9th...perhaps the 8th if they have a big 7th...but if they have a big 7th they dont need his bat anyway....its a tough call tho...if it goes to extras its a bad move...if the bullpen does their job its a good move
It's April and the bullpen sucks. Dumb move.
Rosario gets out of a little jam with some nice heat. His control is definately suspect when it comes to his offspeed stuff but his fastball seems to be right on point. Clocked as high as 96 mph. Nice.
really like rosarios power...bout time they got a guy with real stuff in the pen instead of these limp dick arms...he can actually get people out...the only guy in the pen other than gordon who can...everyone else needs the hitter to miss a pitch or hit it at someone
12 fingered freak Alfonseca hasn't been brutal. But he's pretty much a 5th or 6th guy out of the pen. Not the guy you want in the 8th inning of game.
be thankful lee is coming up with the bases empty
Howard's about to get IBB to load the bases. Nice job pulling Burrell, Cholly.
And Bourn K's on 3 pitches to end the inning and leave 'em loaded.
To their credit though, the Phils have done a nice job these last couple innings with runners on and 2 outs......something we're not used to seeing from them.
Once again, Manuel over-manages and costs them a chance at ending the game.
that is incredibly accurate farging hate them.
Ruiz
Rowand
Nunez
is much better than
Helms
Rowand
Barajas
Helms is a butcher at 3rd. Nunez, if he plays everyday, will hit around .260 and offer solid if not pretty good defense. The Phils problems arent scoring runs. Do it.
yeah definitely didnt work in this case....i still dont think its a terrible move...burrell should not be in the game 7th on with a 2+ run lead
i said a long time ago that nunez should be the starter at 3rd...play helms with a pitcher he owns is on the mound or bring him into a game when you need offense late
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2007, 06:40:12 PM
yeah definitely didnt work in this case....i still dont think its a terrible move...burrell should not be in the game 7th on with a 2+ run lead
It would have made a little more sense if just about anyone other than Howard was on 2nd. I don't see how it does any good to have a speed guy on the base behind someone who doesn't run very well.
Quote
i said a long time ago that nunez should be the starter at 3rd...play helms with a pitcher he owns is on the mound or bring him into a game when you need offense late
Ironically, the reason that Nunez got the start today is because he's owned Williams.
Flash had a really shaky 9th but managed to get out of it unscathed. Bums win.
Raise your hand if you didn't think Biggio was going yard there.
3-8
A little league team could've hit him today. Good thing Biggio is beyond past his prime.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 14, 2007, 06:58:51 PM
Raise your hand if you didn't think Biggio was going yard there.
3-8
I didn't think he would go yard but I definately thought he was either going to get a hit and knock in a run or at least walk to load the bases.
Flash couldn't find the strike zone using mapquest today.
Phils had 7 rbi with 2 outs today and turned 3 double plays.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 14, 2007, 06:58:51 PMRaise your hand if you didn't think Biggio was going yard there.
what makes you say that? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250907122)
ha! I forgot all about that.
QuoteMaking matters worse for Philadelphia's All-Star closer, Biggio just signed a jersey for Wagner's son.
"Here you go, son, here's a jersey from the guy who just homered off your dad," said Wagner
Guess I was having de ja vu
I've never felt worse after a baseball game. David Bell boots it, Rollins takes the wrong angle on a Tavarez infield single, Biggio homers. I hate baseball.
It's funny how Hamels pitched like shtein today and won yet the last two times he's started he's pitched pretty nicely and didn't get decisions.
Strange game, baseball.
PS: Thanks for the stroll down memory lane, Ed. :puke
Todays game cancelled.
Which means Myers can get off his whiny ass and go buy a sweater for his next start in case it's too chilly again.
Maybe Phreak will knit him one then give him his blankie before he tucks him in at night.
I already did. It's blue. He likes it.
Freddy Garcia sucks. It's funny that you had him listed with Hamels. Jackass.
Howard needs to start tearing the cover off the ball soon, its nice that Rollins has been hitting this well, but he is going to go into one of his spectacular slumps fairly soon.
And no, strikeouts don't really matter.
Also, Rollins and Rowand have been taking a ton of pitches and getting walks which is slightly less disturbing than that picture of MDS that has been floating around the internet.
Nothing says "sucks" quite like a 116-71 career record. :-D
He has not lost 5-7 mph, he has not been striking out less and less batters for a few years now, and he has not let up over 225 hits 2 years in a row.
He is okay, he is better than league average, but he doesn't deserve to be mentioned with the players todd the jew with the gold around his neck mentioned him with especially if you are going to leave Myers out of that group.
Welcome back :-D
And Jamie Moyer throws a fastball that topped out at like 79 mph the other day so who gives a crap how hard Garcia throws. He can pitch and that's all that really counts. Not to mention that he's gone over 200 innings for the last couple of years and he also has one of those......um, what's it called again? Oh yeah, a championship.
Your head is so far up your ass you can probably watch yourself swallow. Go away.
14-8 with a sub 4 ERA in the AL is mediocre. Shut up.
Actually that was 05. 17-9 with a 4.5 is still fine. So there.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 15, 2007, 06:08:55 PM
And Jamie Moyer throws a fastball that topped out at like 79 mph the other day so who gives a crap how hard Garcia throws. He can pitch and that's all that really counts. Not to mention that he's gone over 200 innings for the last couple of years and he also has one of those......um, what's it called again? Oh yeah, a championship.
Your head is so far up your ass you can probably watch yourself swallow. Go away.
This might be the most retarded logic I have ever seen. Player x can do this with this so everybody can!
Moyer grew up as a finesse pitcher, his fastball did not fall off the face of the earth when he was 30 years old like Garcia. Comparing him to Garcia in any way is uniformed and ridiculous. Losing that kind of speed on what is most likely his second best pitch (being generous about his curveball) can be devastating. Is he still going to be effective? Yea I think so he was still decent last year, but unless he really improves his control chances are you are not going to see anything close to his 05 season in chicago or his early days in Seattle.
Quote from: MDS on April 15, 2007, 06:17:42 PM
14-8 with a sub 4 ERA in the AL is mediocre. Shut up.
That was 2 years ago and he hadn't lost 6-8 mph on his fastball, asshat.
Hopefully he can get that speed back, but this being the second year of his fastball being slower and it showing no signs of improving in ST, I wouldn't expect it.
Quote from: Billy Beane on April 15, 2007, 06:19:16 PM
This might be the most retarded logic I have ever seen.
I take it you never read your own posts then.
That wasn't clever at all.
i know it's all fun and games and everything...but you really do know the least amount of baseball of any person i've ever heard
You've never heard me.
it's ok, you have no response...i understand
let's face it the shteinting contest that would evolve from me responding to that wouldnt be very fulfilling to either of us.
All in all, I'd say today was a positive day for the Phillies.
why do you guys even respond to this clown
That was uncalled for!
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Haha. mpmcgraw eats it.
no.
Since Garcia's spring training effort, where he was mostly hurt, completely relate to what he will do over the course of the season, I say we have reason to be concerned. Also the fact that he won 17 games last season doesn't encourage me. Nor does the fact that he is a major major upgrade from Zack Segovia. And from Jon Lieber. And that we didn't give up much to get him. And that he is on a one year contract.
Still, he farging sucks.
Quote from: MDS on April 15, 2007, 09:54:31 PM
Since Garcia's spring training effort, where he was mostly hurt, completely relate to what he will do over the course of the season, I say we have reason to be concerned. Also the fact that he won 17 games last season doesn't encourage me. Nor does the fact that he is a major major upgrade from Zack Segovia. And from Jon Lieber. And that we didn't give up much to get him. And that he is on a one year contract.
Still, he farging sucks.
Garcia was throwing 87 last year too. An upgrade? Sure. I didn't say he wasn't. He still does not deserve to be mentioned with Utley and Howard. Yea and he won 14 the year before when he had a much much better season. Wins are definitely representitive of a pitcher's performance. Madson won 11 last year.
Why are you ignoring a pretty big fact while throwing a useless one at me? I don't know. Maybe because you think you are actually making a good point.
Guess what...
Quote from: MDS on April 14, 2007, 07:17:36 PM
I've never felt worse after a baseball game. David Bell boots it, Rollins takes the wrong angle on a Tavarez infield single, Biggio homers. I hate baseball.
I will never, ever forget listening to that one on mlb.com and Harry Kallas saying "You have got to be kididng me!" as Biggio's hit was obviously "outta here". You can also hear LA saying"Oh no" in the background with that deep, low tone. farg, I was sick for weeks. I'm still pissed.
Quote from: MDS on April 15, 2007, 01:22:51 PM
Maybe Phreak will knit him one then give him his blankie before he tucks him in at night.
maybe while he's at it he can knit a couple for Don Ho and family as we are scheduled to attend the game tomorrow night. nasty out tonight.
Quote from: Billy Beane on April 15, 2007, 10:10:58 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 15, 2007, 09:54:31 PM
Since Garcia's spring training effort, where he was mostly hurt, completely relate to what he will do over the course of the season, I say we have reason to be concerned. Also the fact that he won 17 games last season doesn't encourage me. Nor does the fact that he is a major major upgrade from Zack Segovia. And from Jon Lieber. And that we didn't give up much to get him. And that he is on a one year contract.
Still, he farging sucks.
Garcia was throwing 87 last year too. An upgrade? Sure. I didn't say he wasn't. He still does not deserve to be mentioned with Utley and Howard. Yea and he won 14 the year before when he had a much much better season. Wins are definitely representitive of a pitcher's performance. Madson won 11 last year.
Why are you ignoring a pretty big fact while throwing a useless one at me? I don't know. Maybe because you think you are actually making a good point.
Guess what...
I love you.
That is incorrect.
I wish you would go back to being mpmcgraw.
Game tonight was postponed and will be played on June 29th as a double header. Garcia is expected to pitch vs. Glavine tomorrow night weahter permitting.
I predict a Mets win.
With all the speed Garcia lost on his fastball, he'd be lucky to keep the Mets in single digits.
I heard he's going to pitch underhand.
we actually went down to CBPthis afternoon. It was fricken freezing. Wind was howling. Trippy with no one around.
Garcia won't make it past the ninth inning. Gare-un-teed!
Garcia's first appearance and Willie Randolph is already screwing around, saying Garcia had to get rid of his red-and-gray glove (he didn't have to but did anyway)....
Screw CN8. Can't watch. Damnit, who the hell cares about the Sixers?
choke dog: the way of the big fat guy
They might have to consider moving Howard down in the order if this continues, nothing drastic but I think putting Burrell in the 4 hole and Howard in teh 5 might be humilation so....
Alou hit a shot, Mets up 2-0.
A comedy of errors this horseshtein farging team is.
:-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 17, 2007, 07:36:48 PM
Alou hit a shot, Mets up 2-0.
He farging killed that ball. On a normal night that was in the upper deck.
i know its the same every year but its just astounding at how many mets fans come down to philly on a weeknight and they all get prime seats...half the lower level seats are new yorkers....sad
mets fans on a tuesday nite in philly far outnumber phillie fans in new york for a weekend series
Burrell with the Texas leaguer to right, yet somehow, Cholly doesn't remove him for a pinch runner! WTF!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 17, 2007, 07:43:38 PM
Burrell with the Texas leaguer to right, yet somehow, Cholly doesn't remove him for a pinch runner! WTF!
He knew that Helms would bounce into the double play. :boom
i got the braves and nationals on tv while i watch the phils on the computer and the nationals are wearing VT hats
very cool
This team seriously hurts my head. Burrell gets on, Helms eats ass into a 5-4-3 double play and Rowand hits a can of corn to the outfield.
Kill them. Kill them all.
I'm guessing that the answer to the trivia question is Barry Bonds?
Wheels is getting real salty about the zesty weather.
can anyone explain why wheels calls jose reyes "rey-azz"
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2007, 08:09:52 PM
can anyone explain why wheels calls jose reyes "rey-azz"
He's a racialist?
Two men on, none out with Utley, Howard & Burrell coming up... guess what happened.
AIDS. AIDS, AIDS, AIDS! :boom
choke dog sucks
LOL. And then Alou smokes a solo homer. 4-1 Mutts.
Jesus... :-D
I'm glad I'm not watching this AIDSfest. They suck.
Could have had Reyes caught in a pitch out and Ruiz throws the ball to the 3rd base side of 2nd. ha!
It's bad enough that they're losing. What's worse is they've had ample opportunities to score and have blown almost every one of them. And then the bullshteinpen comes in and tosses gas on the fire making things worse.
They're just a horrible underachieving group at the moment and they keep digging the hole deeper and deeper for themselves.
Depressing as hell.
the depression ended about a week ago...like i said the other night now you root for all the worst things that can possibly happen to them...especially choke dog...i cant wait to see him look silly against feliciano next inning...
id love to see them get sweeped in the battle for last place (in the majors) vs the nats tomorrow and thursday
you lilly white suburbanite, youre a joke if you want them to lose. go away. most of us realize that they suck, get depressed, and curse at the tv as if it can respond. still, in the end, we want them to win. you, on the other hand, don't even matter at this point. grab your burgundy and gold gear and go the nats game and buy a zimmerman jersey.
i dont just want them to lose i want them to implode...couldnt happen to a better bunch of losers
i want new ownership, but thats never happening. so we might as well face the facts and root for a team thats never gonna win.
now with them getting trounced choke dog should get some pitches grooved to him this at bat...he should drive one...if he gets out or god forbid strikes out here then hes in worse shape than i even thought
choke dog did as i anticipated...now if only he could do it when runners are on and they arent down by a touchdown
Why the hatred for Howard? Granted he's playing like complete shtein, but its not as if he's some douchebag icehole or has off field issues. I'm rooting like all heck for him to turn it around...part of it is to spite you.
I can't see how Manuel still has a job, this team plays with no sense of urgency. I'm tired of the "well its not his fault they can't field", "Its not his fault they can't hit with runners in scoring position", "Its not his fault the bullpen sucks". His good ole boy charm and lack of motivation is a huge part of the problem. I'd love to see Joe Girardi brought in.
Girdadi is too tough. Wittle Burrell's vagina would get all sandy and it wouldn't be a go.
It's not like when he comes in here the bullpen made of shteinbergs and fargfaces are gonna all of a sudden get people out.
But yes, firing Manuel as a means to wake these losers up might be the only move left. They're 3-9 and Adam Eaton and Jamie Moyer start the next two games.
What a bunch of losers.
April 17: The day I first turned off a game in disgust this season. :boo
This team angers me. I cannot stand watching those games. And yet I still do it. Why? The whole RISP and LOB thing is maddening. Especially when Rollins doubles, Victorino walks and then Utley and Howard K and Burrell pops out to 1st. Or when Helms and Rowand single and then Ruiz does his duty and GIDP's.
Joe Girardi isn't coming here - he's in the FOX booth waiting for Joe Torre to be fired so he can manage the Yanks.
Regardless of who they bring in, tough guy or baby sitter, this team is going to suck. They sucked under Bowa and they suck under Charlie.
Jimy Williams or Davey Lopes, likely old man Jimy, will get the gig. Then after the season they'll hold a farce of an interview process only to keep Wililams as the guy after bringing in the likes of Pendleton, Dusty Baker, et al.
The only hope of anyone being brought in that is not or has not been in the Phils system is if Gillick hires his boy Davey Johnson.
And even if Davey gets it, as soon as Gillick's contract is up and that prick Ruben Amaro takes over he'll fire Davey and bring in some retread former Phils coach ala Ed Wade. That was Amaro's protege and I think RUben beats off to a pic of Ed before bedtime.
farg this team....bring back Nick Leyva
Suckers.
Catch the postgame conference. Manuel wanted to fight Eskin
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 18, 2007, 12:56:36 AM
Catch the postgame conference. Manuel wanted to fight Eskin
He needs to fight his players. They're the ones sucking.
Charlie would kick the shtein out of Eskin. Howard hates all things Phillies and hates Manuel and he was pushing his buttons, I guess, to get this type of reaction. I haven't seen it yet.
Here we go again, Eskin getting his name out there acting like an ass to get people to listen to his stupid ass radio show. Maybe someone can send some flowers to Eskin and he can die.
Why the hatred for Howard?
im not here to be friends with them...i could care less if ryan howard is mother teresa reincarnated...hes shtein on the field...and hes just as guilty as the rest of saying after every single game that the hitting with runners in scoring position and on base will come around...thats its still early blah blah blah...youre the WORST TEAM IN THE ENTIRE MAJOR LEAGUES its not early...im sick to my stomach of hearing that...again the team isnt making the playoffs we all know that so i want them to suffer...its pretty simple
id love to hear the eskin manuel exchange...eskin im sure was just calling charlie and/or the team out like anyone should
That's fine igy, they all deserve the blame, but why single Howard out? I get the feeling its the McNabb syndrome you hate so much. You know, superstar athlete in Philly, black, doesn't really *act* black.
doesn't really *act* black.
WOW
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
pray tell....what does acting black mean?
I also don't understand your hatred of Howard. I think it's completely ridiculous and irrational, and furthermore, I think you're full of shtein. You don't hate Howard in the least. What you love is the attention you get here for posting nonsense like this.
So, to recap:
Either you're lying or you're out of your farging gord. Either way - it's getting old, IGY.
Oh, don't even play dumb, IGY.
"not acting black" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom)
I agree it's stupid, but it's the same reason McNabb got called out by the Philly head of the NAACP. I've always felt it was ridiculous the way we *expect* people to act a certain way according to race.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2007, 07:54:00 AM
doesn't really *act* black.
WOW
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)
pray tell....what does acting black mean?
I'm remembering back to a thread where I or someone else was defending McNabb and you said he wasn't black. I forget what your explanation was but I remember thinking how absurd it was for you to say that since you're white.
it's hard to make Eskin look like the sympathetic one in one of these situations, but Manuel did it well. Howard asked him why he doesn't get angry with his players and Manuel went off and kept telling Eskin to meet him in his office. It was awesome.
I'm remembering back to a thread where I or someone else was defending McNabb and you said he wasn't black.
ive said off this board (and probably on it) in a 100% joking manner that mcnabb isnt black...for example when he does the michael jackson dance
however ive never even semi serious said that that is why he cant get the job done or why i dont like him...and ive a thousand times defended him against the racists that say the eagles cant win with a (n word) quarterback
Oh, don't even play dumb, IGY.
my problem here is we arent talking about uncle toms
what white man is ryan howard being subservient to??...how is he negatively affecting other blacks
lets be real...saying that ryan howard isnt black is saying hes well spoken....which is to say that blacks are dumb...and thats wrong
whats the negative word or words for a well spoken white guy?
You don't hate Howard in the least
never said i hated howard...again i want this whole team to crash and burn...he happens to be the guy who can have the most disasterous fall off...we are talking about epic porportions
btwn homers rbis and batting avg he could drop a total of 150 "points"...that would be tragic and who doesnt rubberneck at a train wreck
in fact that would be a good pool to start....guess the combined number of homers rbis and BA pts howard falls this year
Stop acting so black.
it's hard to make Eskin look like the sympathetic one in one of these situations, but Manuel did it well. Howard asked him why he doesn't get angry with his players and Manuel went off and kept telling Eskin to meet him in his office. It was awesome.
yeah they just played it on wip and had eskin on....manuel looks like more of an idiot than he ever has and thats saying something....its hard to imgaine what it will take for this guy to be fired...i still dont know how he got out of florida after the first weekend...but now your manager is trying to fight a media member in his office.....its over...
You'll see...Manuel will get fired (and probably rightfully so), and nothing will change. In Manuel's slight defence, he asked for bullpen help all off season (saying he could win with everything else on the roster as was)..and the one thing dumbass Gillick actually may have made worse was the bullpen.
This team is owned by a bunch of bumbling idiots. Run by a bunch of bumbling idoits. Which has led to a bunch of bunch of streaky baseball players who don't pay attention, and a fundamentally retarded and will never win.
You'll see...Manuel will get fired (and probably rightfully so), and nothing will change.
this year probably not...the team just plain sucks
but with a better manager the team makes the playoffs the last two years
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2007, 09:49:21 AM
but with a better manager the team makes the playoffs the last two years
Doubtful, but it's a pretty thought.
http://video.nbc10.com/player/?id=92590
for anyone who didn't see it
Doubtful, but it's a pretty thought.
manuel easily costs his team four or five games a year with managerial mistakes that a monkey wouldnt mess up
The phils wont fire charly any time soon, just to appease 610 and phillies fans
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2007, 10:24:52 AM
Doubtful, but it's a pretty thought.
manuel easily costs his team four or five games a year with managerial mistakes that a monkey wouldnt mess up
Sure, it's a valid point. But the manager didnt lose to the Astros in a makeup game, and then lose 2 of three to the Nats, when they were up a game with one week left in the season. The fargheads lost that.
And again in 05, the players got swept by the Astros, and then lost 2 of three to the mets. the players did.
The manager is at fault at times. But these players just can not cut it.
These players have not once shown they can win when it counts.
in no way am i defending the players...they are all dogs
this was a great exchange last night...
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Eskin: Grow up.
Manuel: I am growed up @sshole.
Good for Charlie.
who saw beltran last night literally aim for left field and burrell...i said this all spring training but its unbelievable to me that burrell is a major league outfielder...he plain cant run...that should have been an easy catch last night instead its two rbi for the mets
even if the bullpen didnt suck and the lineup wasnt garbage and the manager was competant and their ace wasnt really a number 3 they still couldnt win with the defense they have
Eskin: Grow up.
Manuel: I am growed up @sshole.
how about right after this when charlie says "whats it to you anyway"...he sounds like hes tearing up...for a split second i actually felt bad for him...someone needs to put him down....hes done
Chuck looked like a moron, you should never lose your cool in public. Its not like the players are going to respond to him getting mad at a local sports talk show guy.
Eskin & Charlie Manuel are both useless.
Put them both in the nearest industrial press for all I care.
Baler's kill 10 people a year on average
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That's alls Uncle Cholly can stands and he can't stands no more.
After the Phillies lost to the Metropolitans again, 8-1, Philthies manager Charlie Manuel sort-of lost his cool. During the post-game press conference, local sports talk show host and Phillie hater realist, Howard Eskin rubbed Cholly the wrong way. Manuel was answering a question about whether he thinks he needs to be harder on the players; Cholly was saying...
"I do at times, but it's a timely thing. We're still hustling. We're still playing hard. We might be trying to do too much. For me to go in there and throw a fit, I can go in there and tear the whole... locker room up. I could throw every... chair in here out. What the hell? I don't see how that's gonna do me any good!"
So then Howard Eskin jumped in and snarkily asked,
"Don't you think it creates some sort-of urgency for the players when they see you angry?"
All of a sudden, Charlie's voice started to quiver a little bit and he goes,
"I think they see me angry more than you think they do!" Cholly continued, "Why'ont you drop by my office and I'll show you how angry I can get!"
So Eskin followed Manuel to his office (that's GANGSTA!) and Manuel reportedly rushed Eskin before being restrained by hitting coach Milt Thompson. As Manuel was being held back, he yelled from his office, "We're going to win!" However, no time frame was given for when the winning would take place.
Ha. Sounds like a three year old.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2841584 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2841584)
Video to the right is Eskin interview on Cold Pizza explaining how he did nothing wrong and that he's always right and knows everything about baseball.
I agree, kill both of them.
However, no time frame was given for when the winning would take place.
ha
that was classic Eskin on Cold Pizza...good stuff
eskin infuriates me to no end sometimes but he is a gawd...a philadelphia legend...he is in fact....THE KING
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Are the Phillies a bust?posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 | Print Entry
As we ask the only question that matters -- "Is it spring yet?" -- we offer these theoretically incisive observations about all kinds of stuff:
• The Phillies are a mess: Are the Phillies, officially, the biggest bust of 2007? They still haven't won two games in a row -- and the only other team that can say that is the Royals. They're 3-9 -- and only two NL teams since the Bobby Thomson Giants have started 3-9 or worse and made the postseason ('74 Pirates, 2000 Giants). Not one guy in their bullpen has shown any semblance of dependability. And Ryan Howard and Chase Utley are 5-for-32 (.156) with runners in scoring position. Charlie Manuel may take the fall one of these months if this keeps up. But he wasn't given a talented enough team to live up to the inflated expectations that surrounded this group. Baseball Prospectus' Joe Sheehan said it best: The dropoff from the top 11 players on this team to the rest of the roster is steeper than most people seemed to notice.
The dropoff from the top 11 players on this team to the rest of the roster is steeper than most people seemed to notice.
i would question the quality of the first 11 players on the team as well...the problem with the phillies is they dont have any "players"...they have guys that are great hitters (utley) or home run hitters (howard) or fast (victorino) or good leaders (rowand) or (should) deliver pop off the bench (helms)...but other than rollins and ill accept utley as his defense seems to have improved this year where are their "players"
And Ryan Howard and Chase Utley are 5-for-32 (.156) with runners in scoring position
wow
nm
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2007, 02:36:51 PM
The dropoff from the top 11 players on this team to the rest of the roster is steeper than most people seemed to notice.
Basically, this means that only the best 11 players on the team have a positive VORP.
The biggest problem with the Phillies thus far has been that Howard & Utley are both mired in miserable hitting slumps. That hasn't happened during the past couple of seasons. Usually, one if not both are hitting and now both are struggling.
Hell, if Jeter & A-Rod were both slumping badly the Yankees would be in trouble too.
They'll get hot eventually but the question is will it be too late when they do? Further - will another problem rear its ugly head when they start tearing the cover off the ball? It sure seems like it always does.
They'll get hot eventually but the question is will it be too late when they do?
so youre saying as soon as howard and utley start hitting the phillies become the best team in the division?
that one of the biggest oversimplifications of all time romey
even with utley and howard hitting the mets and the braves and possibly the marlins are all better
Eskin is dead on right on his Cold Pizza interview.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 18, 2007, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2007, 02:36:51 PM
The dropoff from the top 11 players on this team to the rest of the roster is steeper than most people seemed to notice.
Basically, this means that only the best 11 players on the team have a positive VORP.
Actually that's probably close to right.
You know what VORP is. That's funny.
All I needed was Wikipedia to know more about baseball than you do.
DNL:
Brett Myers to bullpen rest of season and Lieber to start.
ACE
what a joke
DNL says it was Myers' idea and he requested it.
ACE
hahahaha this team is such a farging joke.
I guess the pressure got to Myers being the #1
He'll fit right in with his 9+ ERA
i don't think the pressure got to him as being a #1, he probably figured that he was wasting his time trying to win games in innings 1-7
Get the farg outta here? Are you serious? I just woke up....
Does it really matter who pitches in what role? These guys suck.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2007, 06:03:29 PM
Get the farg outta here? Are you serious? I just woke up....
No, you're still sleeping, the Phils are still undefeated
World.Series.
Stop me if you heard this one, 1st inning, 2 runners LOB
Stop.
Adam Eaton had to take matters into his own hands. Double off the LF wall to drive in Barrajas.
Eaton just knocked the shtein out of the ball, almost left the park. He got a double, Barajas scored. 1-0
RFK seems huge. Then again, maybe I'm just getting used to watching the Phils play at CBP.
At CBP, that ball's "outta here."
The Nats announcers just talked about Manuel's blowup. Charlie claims that it's more about reporters (he didn't say Eskin specifically, but I suppose that Eskin's the biggest one) taking personal shots at him.
The announcers referred to the Philly media as "New York wannabes" and were generally derisive of Eskin, who they refused to refer to by name.
Eaton just got hit on this throwing hand by a ground ball headed up the middle, but is going to stay in the game.
Eaton just fed Schnieder a fat one. 3-1 Nats. :-\
It doesn't matter who starts, whose in the pen or who is at bat; THEY fargING SUCK.
So, when do they hold the open tryouts?
Only one thing with the Phils can happen with 2 on and 1 out.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 18, 2007, 08:57:39 PM
So, when do they hold the open tryouts?
BRING IN VINCE PAPALE TO MANAGE THE TEAM!
What a farging joke. Howard and Utley just made Rauch (sp?) look like a farging all-star setup man. farging bums.
choke dog: the way of the big fat guy
choke dog gets bailed out of a double play by utley...CLUTCH
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 18, 2007, 01:23:43 PM
Baler's kill 10 people a year on average
Hey, I was a paper baler for 9 years and I didn't kill anyone. wanted to, but I didn't. ;D
Apparently the Nats got away with pulling Michael Restovich out of the game (before batting, but was apparently announced as a pinch hitter) earlier, and then putting him in as a defensive replacement without the Phillies catching it.
This is according to the Nats announcers.
And he just singled up the middle to put a runner on with 2 out in the 10th.
Team to beat. And beat. And beat...
Fire everyone.
Worst team in the majors. Even the Royals are better....
Yep, the Phils are in sole possession of the worst record in Major League Baseball. Just like everyone predicted before the season, right?
I don't even know what to say anymore. :-\
2007: What a year for Philly sports. But hey, the Kixx have a chance to win it all this weekend! :crazy
lets still root root root our boys in...
i wish the phillies were a german class at virginia tech
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2007, 06:27:25 AM
i wish the phillies were a german class at virginia tech
Ha! B+.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2007, 12:37:19 AM
I don't even know what to say anymore. :-\
I went and saw Jeff Samardjia pitch for the Daytona Cubs last night. I wore my Phillies cap as usual and more than a few people actually came up to me and offered their sympathies to me for being a Phillies fan.
Gotta love it when Cubs fans are feeling sorry for you.
charlie manuel made an incredible strategic error last night....
matt smith was struggling...in what i believe was the 11th inning...so rich dubee makes a trip to the mound to check on him...a few moments later the nationals bring mike restovich to the on deck circle..a righty to face the lefty smith...
manuel proceeds to go out and visit smith BEFORE restovich is announced as a pinch hitter...now smith has to come out of the game because dubee had already made a visit...this allows the nationals to not have to use an extra player of the bench in an extra inning game...
restovich heads back to the dugout and is used in a double switch the next inning where he comes in the game and proceeds to go 2-2 including a double in the 14th which put the winning run on third
speaking of that....runner on second and third with no out in the 14th...lefty felipe lopez up...right handed picther on the mound and two right handed batters to follow lopez...MANUEL DOES NOT WALK LOPEZ...to A) get the force chance at home plate with the infield in B) get the righty righty matchup...lopez drives in the winning run with a sac fly
whats funny is that charlie was out of bench players by the end of the 10th inning...the nationals still had one left in the 14th when the game ended...charlie pinch hit for his catcher in the 7th inning!....lol
rich kotite > charlie manuel
i didn't see the pinch hitter deal with Matt Smith...but I was screaming at the TV for them to walk Lopez, that's basically baseball 101
i just dont understand how people like davy lopes and jimy williams can sit there beside this guy and not do anything...theres gotta be a record number of WTF's going on in that dugout
id say the same thing about the players but i think they are all to stupid to realize how bad of a manager charlie is
the players don't care how dumb he is, they don't get yelled at when they make mistakes and that's all they care about
Howards due to have an MRI on his left leg today. (per ESPN SC)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2007, 09:20:48 AM
charlie manuel made an incredible strategic error last night....
matt smith was struggling...in what i believe was the 11th inning...so rich dubee makes a trip to the mound to check on him...a few moments later the nationals bring mike restovich to the on deck circle..a righty to face the lefty smith...
manuel proceeds to go out and visit smith BEFORE restovich is announced as a pinch hitter...now smith has to come out of the game because dubee had already made a visit...this allows the nationals to not have to use an extra player of the bench in an extra inning game...
Matt Smith was throwing like shtein, he was literally missing the plate by 2 or 3 feet.
Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, and Ryan Howard were a combined 0 for 16 last night against an AWESOME Nats pitching staff.
The ENTIRE TEAM is batting UNDER .200 with RISP.
The Sillies have the HIGHEST ERA in the MAJOR LEAGUE.
BURN you farging bums.
Why does Manuel continue to hit Rowand so low in the lineup? He's batting .348 with a .456 OBP. How bout switching things up a little:
Victorino
Rowand
Rollins
Utley
Howard
Burrell
Helms
Ruiz/Barajas
Matt Smith was throwing like shtein, he was literally missing the plate by 2 or 3 feet.
what the hell does that have to do with anything?
BURN you farging bums.
no no NO!
youre supposed to root em in and encourage them and yell go team....the phillies are richard gere and youre a gerbil...now get to it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2007, 10:52:42 AM
Matt Smith was throwing like shtein, he was literally missing the plate by 2 or 3 feet.
what the hell does that have to do with anything?
Nothing, as in the premise has nothing to do with anything either.
When howard swings at the first pitch after 2 straight walks in the 10th.
Rowand leads with a 1 out double only to have Ruiz hit the ball the ONE place that assured there would be no advancing to 3rd, which lead to 2 on 2 out, and Rollins farged up.
This team is not nearly as good as anyone thought. Nitpicking the manager this time is just pointless. They have the worst record in baseball right now...and it's deserved. Players...Manager...General Manager...none of them have a clue as to what they are doing.
Nitpicking the manager this time is just pointless.
nitpicking???
the guy went to the mound before the other team announced their pinch hitter...he gave them a free player
walk off runner on third man on second first base open and he doesnt walk the batter!?!?!!?
i dont know how much about baseball you know but those arent nitpicking issues...and trust me ive been known to nitpick
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2007, 11:14:39 AM
Nitpicking the manager this time is just pointless.
nitpicking???
the guy went to the mound before the other team announced their pinch hitter...he gave them a free player
walk off runner on third man on second first base open and he doesnt walk the batter!?!?!!?
i dont know how much about baseball you know but those arent nitpicking issues...and trust me ive been known to nitpick
Matt Smith was terrible and everyone knew he was coming out of the game at that point. Thank god we traded Abreu for that slop.
As for the 13th inning...Normally I agree...but from the looks of it, he was pitching around him...looking for the unintentional/intentional walk. Lopez is a ground ball hitter and they were keeping the pitches low until Rosario hung one...sending the fly.
A legit argument can be made for either side of the decision this instance
Also, Rosario has control issues, so they may have been weary to load the bases and risk him walking home the winning run. I think I still would've walked Lopez there.
Matt Smith was terrible and everyone knew he was coming out of the game at that point.
youre missing the point...the nationals had a right handed pinch hitter that was gonna face smith...he was there ready to roll in the on deck circle...instead of having the batter be announced to bat against smith charlie left the dugout to early...the nationals saw this and knew once he left the dugout that smith had to come out...they pulled back their player thus not having to use him....the fact that smith sucked has nothing to do with what happened...i dont know how else to explain it
A legit argument can be made for either side of the decision this instance
absolutely 100% an argument cannot be made to not walk him...you do understand if you walk him it creates a force at home...where as even if he is a ground ball hitter with out walking him you have to 1) hope for a ground ball 2) hope it goes right at someone 3) hope for a perfect throw 4) hope the catcher can make a tag....
you walk the guy all you gotta do it get to a ball relatively quickly and toss it home...its essentially the differece between throwing a guy out at first vs a catcher trying to throw someone out stealing
all that plus the fact that two righty righty matchups followed lopez makes this one of the no brainers of all time...second only to waiting for the other team to announce their pinch hitter before you make a pitching change
Talking about this gets me angry. I just want baseball to go away and for it to be football season.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2007, 12:06:03 PM
A legit argument can be made for either side of the decision this instance
absolutely 100% an argument cannot be made to not walk him...you do understand if you walk him it creates a force at home...where as even if he is a ground ball hitter with out walking him you have to 1) hope for a ground ball 2) hope it goes right at someone 3) hope for a perfect throw 4) hope the catcher can make a tag....
The infield was playing in, there is no way the runner on 3rd is sent on a ground ball in that case with the infield in. You hold the runner at third, and get the out at first. That's what they were playing for there. A base hit, or a fly ball wins the game with the bases loaded or not. They
needed to get 1 out there before facing Beliard, Zimmerman, and Young. Then you can walk the bases loaded and play for a pop up or hopefully a double play.
nope...like sun said its baseball 101
anyway
im out to the game
ROOT EM IN!!!
Howard has a sprained ligament and is not in the starting lineup. Pat is hitting 4th, with Dobbs playing 1st and hitting 5th...
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/1isme/DOBBS.png)
HR Rowand. 2-0 Bums
Again I'll ask this question, why is a guy who's batting .350 with a high OBP batting at the bottom of the order?
because pop pop got bored during spring training and filled in the same lineup on all his lineup cards for the season, in ink
Ruiz just got hammered trying to go home.
Bases loaded 0 outs in the 5th, lets see how they farg this one up.
They totally got one run in on a sac fly! GO TEAM!
Jamie Moyer is my hero. He's like 53 years old and the most consistently slightly-better-than-average pitcher on the team.
Possible igy sighting: End of the 8th inning they showed two Phils fans standing and clapping as the team ran off the field. One guy had a beard, the other that looked like igy had a white jacket, dark blue Phils shirt, and dark Phils cap on.
Greg Dobbs only dreams of having a VORP of 0. I'd rather they brought back Travis Lee or some shtein.
Charlie sending Moyer out for the 9th, despite having already thrown 108 pitches.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 19, 2007, 03:43:15 PM
Possible igy sighting: End of the 8th inning they showed two Phils fans standing and clapping as the team ran off the field. One guy had a beard, the other that looked like igy had a white jacket, dark blue Phils shirt, and dark Phils cap on.
was it the fat P?
because if it wasn't it probably wasn't him
meltdown?
Nats start off the 9th double-double. I think we know where this is going.
yeah, it was the fat P, I'm pretty sure it was him.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 19, 2007, 03:47:59 PM
Nats start off the 9th double-double. I think we know where this is going.
Extra innings?
Here's a hint: PRAY for extra innings.
oh geez
holy farg.
Fick with a bases loaded sac fly...
Up 2, Nats on 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs. FUN
Bums win!
Moyer with the gem
Nice. Gordon made him look like Pat Burrell with some off-speed slop.
CHALK ANOTHER ONE UP IN THE WIN COLUMN FOR THE BUMS
They won it for igy
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 19, 2007, 03:43:15 PMthe other that looked like igy had a white jacket, dark blue Phils shirt, and dark Phils cap on.
A white jacket instead of a black Raiders butter jawn? Couldn't have been him....
Wow. A win. Joy.
Some observations:
1. Wes Helms sucks
2. Manuel is a moron
3. Carlos Barajas sucks
4. Gordon isn't reliable
5. When does training camp start?
seen in the upper deck directly across from the phillies dugout today....a huge sign that read:
Hey Pat, PHIRE CHARLIE
Clever and original.
More importantly... accurate and necessary.
Look Ma! Another wasted bases loaded w/ less than 2 outs opportunity!!
Nunez grounds into a 4-3 double play.
Bases loaded, 1 out, Nunez hits into a DP. hahahaha they suck, but I'll continue to watch, cause I'm a sucka
Lieber is throwing very well tonight.
They scored a run because Cincy went all Keystone Kops on a Lieber grounder. E3 and then an E4 allows Ruiz to come around and score.
1-0 asshats
Here it comes. Now the Phils are the ones looking stupid.
Nunez throws one away - Freel to 2nd.
Lieber tries to pick him off and throws the ball into LF after bouncing it towards where Jimmy was originally positioned. He missed 2B by about 30 feet. Freel to 3rd w/ 1 out.
Lieber outta there because of being on a pitch count. He threw 76 pitches w/ 1 BB and 5 K's. Not too shabby. 0 runs and 1 hit allowed.
Gas Can Geary on his way in.
Geary is farging garbage. He's sent out to get one stinking guy out and what does he do? Walks him.
The whole relief staff should be placed in bags loaded with rocks and tossed into the nearest river.
And now Matt Smith walks Josh Hamilton to load the bases and Cholly's bringing in the six-fingered wonder. On the bright side, he's making a double switch!
LOL - they wiggled out of it. :yay
Alfonseca's been the only reliable pitcher whatsoever in the pen.
Adam Dunn just fricken robbed Jimmy Rollins of a hit with a great sliding catch in left.
Burrell swings at the first pitch and grounds into a double play with Utley on 1st and 1 out. Utley gets mad and throws his helmet into the dugout.
Vorp.
Quote from: MDS on April 20, 2007, 09:17:55 PM
Burrell swings at the first pitch and grounds into a double play with Utley on 1st and 1 out. Utley gets mad and throws his helmet into the dugout.
Vorp.
He got mad because it he isnt sure when he'll get on base again.
Myers looked pretty nasty out of the pen. Alfonseca, Myers, Gordon isn't a bad back end to the pen. Well, who knows about Gordon. And Geary, Smith, Madson, etc. all suck. So that's a problem.
Myers looked filthy. The batter he walked he had at least two pitches called balls that were strikes and he looked really annoyed by it.
That's the thing I worry about with him. I don't know if he has the temperment to close.
Phillies go down weakly in the ninth. Amazingly, the guy who sent them down had an ERA of 30+ during his last three appearances.
Holla.
:-D :-D
I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo surprised at Flash
Gordon is... blowing the save.
Tie game.
Just like that Gordon comes in and gives up a two-out dinger.
Flash = :boo :boo :boo :boo :boo
You knew it was coming. Gordon got behind 3-1 in the count, tossed up a meatball, and someone who's never been in my kitchen hit it 400 feet.
Only the Phillies could have this happen to them. It's unfargingbelievable.
they suck
Great at-bat there by Dobbs. 1 out.
isn't this kind of crap supposed to happen to us in late August and the month of September?
A double play :o another shocking play,
They're leaving Gordon in so he can blow it twice
More of the same... Rollins gets hit by a pitch. Victorino comes up and IMMEDIATELY SWINGS AT THE FIRST fargING PITCH HE SEES!
Double play, end of inning.
It's like they've never been taught the game at all. A guy gets hit by a pitch so the first thing you do is swing at the very next pitch he throws?
It's comical but only in the worst possible sense. They have no farging clue what they're doing out there, and these are guys who have been playing in the major leagues for a while now.
I feel like putting my fist through a wall over here.
it seriously hate this team
all they do is strike out and hit into double plays
I can stomach anything but a lack of fundamentals. That shtein is text book, Mo. If a guy gets hit by a pitch, you make the pitcher throw a strike. Hell, at least give Rollins a chance to steal a base there. If he does, the double play possibility is removed.
It's shocking how poorly this team plays even in the most elementary situations. They can't get runners over; they strike out with the bases loaded and less than two outs; they can't get a simple sacrifice bunt down; they don't hit the cutoff man in the field; they don't back each other up defensively... these are supposed to be professionals playing this way.
Christ! And now there's two men on... I'm afraid to watch...
now, now Romey...it'll all be over soon
:-D I can't stand the way this team kills me f'n Gordon
I have no idea how you die hards put up with this shtein every year. Jeez.
It ain't easy
fargin comical.
Game over.
the reds had no runs, 1 hit with two outs in the 9th...
and they won
Cut Gordons butt now, or bench him or something, how do you do this crap you piece of shtein, mother fer oh my god
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 20, 2007, 08:47:52 PM
The whole relief staff should be placed in bags loaded with rocks and tossed into the nearest river.
I'll buy the rocks.
Amazingly, I'm not even mad at Gordon. This team is completely incompetent.
It is amazing that these guys are professionals. They lack any basic baseball knowledge. The Phils are clinging on to a one run lead, Rollins gets on base in the top of the 9th with one out, and what does Victorino do? Swing at the first pitch and ground into an inning ending double play. Unreal. So you're telling me that you have Rollins on base, who is more than capable of putting pressure on a relief pitcher by posing a threat to steal a bag to get in scoring position late in the game, and Victorino is first-pitch-swinging on a breaking ball that looks like it was going in the dirt? Unreal.
The players are just plain stupid. They don't know how to situational hit. They don't know how to pick up critical runs late in the game. They are just a plain ol' dumb team; reminds me of the Eagles early in '06.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 20, 2007, 09:52:10 PM
More of the same... Rollins gets hit by a pitch. Victorino comes up and IMMEDIATELY SWINGS AT THE FIRST fargING PITCH HE SEES!
Double play, end of inning.
It's like they've never been taught the game at all. A guy gets hit by a pitch so the first thing you do is swing at the very next pitch he throws?
It's comical but only in the worst possible sense. They have no farging clue what they're doing out there, and these are guys who have been playing in the major leagues for a while now.
I feel like putting my fist through a wall over here.
:yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay
I can't believe what I just witnessed. It's like a recurring nightmare that you can't shake your way out of. The same bullshtein night in and night out and no one is doing anything about it.
On a night when the starter tosses a one-hitter through six, your hammer of a closer comes in and gives the game away.
On another night the Phillies will score six runs and lose 7-6. They just can't get it done and it's the most perplexing thing I've ever seen. They're far from being the worst baseball team in MLB, yet here they are with the worst record in baseball.
Flat-out awful.
Hahaha
I hate baseball.
and now...due to our genius manager using 3 bullpen pitchers in the 6th...
Myers, Gordon (thank God), and Alfonseca are probably not good to go tomorrow
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 20, 2007, 10:20:30 PM
I can't believe what I just witnessed. It's like a recurring nightmare that you can't shake your way out of. The same bullshtein night in and night out and no one is doing anything about it.
On a night when the starter tosses a one-hitter through six, your hammer of a closer comes in and gives the game away.
On another night the Phillies will score six runs and lose 7-6. They just can't get it done and it's the most perplexing thing I've ever seen. They're far from being the worst baseball team in MLB, yet here they are with the worst record in baseball.
Flat-out awful.
I agree. I think this team is grossly under-achieving. 1-8 I think they match up extremely well against any team in the MLB talent-wise. As far as baseball IQ, however, I feel that they are seriously lacking in that department. That makes it all the more frustrating, I think. They don't know how to grind it out, they don't know how to get insurance runs late in games. It is just too much. Losing like this so early in the season too has to be somewhat demoralizing. This whole free swinging mentality has to stop. Hell, I wouldn't even mind if Victorino bunted in that situation and let Utley take a chance with 2 outs to get a hit to bring in Rollins. Anything to just produce runs in the clutch and let your best hitters have a chance to produce.
Blah.
Quote from: SunMo on April 20, 2007, 10:30:39 PM
and now...due to our genius manager using 3 bullpen pitchers in the 6th...
Myers, Gordon (thank God), and Alfonseca are probably not good to go tomorrow
That's alright. Hamels will throw a perfect game through 8 2/3 tomorrow and Cholly will remove him so that Madson can get some work.
hey romey are you still gonna root em in!!
Gun. Bullet. Head. End it now.
yawn.... training camp.........
Quote from: MURP on April 21, 2007, 12:46:05 AM
yawn.... training camp.........
No Flyers, no Phillies and Eagles training camp is still three months away.
Oh, joy. Guess I'll have to really pay attention to the Magic getting swept in four next week. :-D
One of my favorite things to do is read the feigned phillies outrage here on a daily basis.
Go Twins! :D
I play for the Phillies.
Here in Philadelphia? I didn't know they still had a team!
Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!
this is your manager:
Quote"Right now, Gordon is our closer," Manuel said. "He's been a closer. We signed him to be a closer. . . . That's something we haven't even discussed, and in some ways there's no need to discuss it. We've got to get him sharp. The stuff is there."
Quote from: Eaglez on April 20, 2007, 10:31:37 PMI think they match up extremely well against any team in the MLB talent-wise.
No.
Here is where the Phillies are talent-wise in their starting eight, in my opinion:
1B: Howard - elite young hitter, great power - BAD fielder, no speed. Future DH.
2B: Utley - elite young hitter, good power - Poor fielder, fair speed. Utley to me has the brightest future on the team.
SS: Rollin - probably the team's best all-around player. Good all-around hitter with some power, good speed, good-to-great fielder.
3B: Helms - Back-up miscast in a starting role. Fair hitter with some power. Poor fielder (from what I've seen this year).
LF: Burrell - Streaky hitter with good power. Not aggressive enough at the plate. Mediocre (at best) fielder, good arm.
CF: Rowand - Decent hitter with fair power. Sometimes too aggressive considering lack of power. Good fielder, fair arm.
RF: Victorino - Mediocre hitter, lacks power. Way too agressive considering lack of power. Good fielder.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 21, 2007, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on April 20, 2007, 10:31:37 PMI think they match up extremely well against any team in the MLB talent-wise.
No.
Seemingly on paper they do. If they didn't have talent then I don't know why people would get upset over the crappy start; it would be something that was expected. But, obviously, people had elevated expectations about this team and they aren't delivering. Bottom line is if you think this team sucked from the outset then you would have nothing to complain about; they are meeting your expectations. (And I know you don't care Wingspan I'm just directing the comment in general).
Quote from: Wingspan on April 21, 2007, 08:40:14 AM
One of my favorite things to do is read the feigned phillies outrage here on a daily basis.
I'm serious. They anger me to the point of wanting to punch things.
That's something we haven't even discussed, and in some ways there's no need to discuss it
cant discuss tom gordons role as closer but they can make their opening day starter a set up man
precisely
Interesting lineup tonight...
Victorino leading off
Rowand 2nd
Rollins 3rd
Utley 4th
Still no Howard though...
rally time baby
2-1 top 3. theyll lose.
the king looks filthy tonight
Even though they're eventually gonna blow it, that triple play was a thing of beauty.
Utley decided to show up. Nice.
horrible call on Barajas. Guy missed him twice.
cincy broadcast just showed a stat we didn't need to see - Reds have 7 comeback wins already this season. Phils must lead in blown leads.
10 K's!!! beautiful.
OUT! Nunez got his foot. It was close but he was O-U-T. Awesome throw by Victorino. Right on the money.
nunez just sold out on that tag and got bailed out by dunn dunn who has 25 k's in 65 at bats this year
Quote from: Don Ho on April 21, 2007, 09:15:32 PM
OUT! Nunez got his foot. It was close but he was O-U-T. Awesome throw by Victorino. Right on the money.
Hate to disagree, but I don't think Nunez got him.
Fortunately, Hamels made sure it didn't matter.
OUT! Nunez got his foot.
are you watching the same game??
he clearly missed him...he banked on getting the call cause the ball got their first and he didnt come close to tagging him...he needed to dive at the runner or make some kind of real attempt...which he didnt....he kinda reached at him for a hot second
Wes Helms makes Howard look fast.
I am watching on mlb.com and it is the Cincinnati broadcast but there was one angle where Nunez's glove looked like it bent back as the runner's foot was heading to the bag. Hey, I was surfing all morning . Maybe to much time in the sun.
I need something to bitch about tonight, still pissed about last night.
Won't matter, Hamels is dealing.
Hamels is God.
So that's how we have to win. Complete games. No bullpen, no problem.
what a pleasure to watch! 15 K's, first complete game. I am so happy.
Wes Helms makes Howard look fast
how slow is helms?
jesus
Hamels is the man. Now, just have him pitch every day for 9 innings and the Phils should be fine.
15 Ks, only 2 BBs -- Whenever the Phils only need to field 12 outs to win a game the better.
Nunez got the tip of the runners foot before he reached the bag, they showed the replay 10x from 4 different angles in Philly.
Hamels is sick like ebola virus.
they showed the same angles on every telecast...road teams dont bring their own cameras....he clearly whiffed
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 21, 2007, 09:31:00 PM
Nunez got the tip of the runners foot before he reached the bag, they showed the replay 10x from 4 different angles in Philly.
I thought I saw him hit the tip of the toe as well.
IGY, saying he CLEARLY missed is reaching. ::)
speaking of reachin nunez was lazy and not reachin enough...it just wasnt close at all...i mean it was close in the sense that a replay was necessary...but once the replays went it was obvious he didnt get him
The real blown call was the one where they called Barajas out when he was CLEARLY missed by Phillips the first time, and his foot was CLEARLY on the base when Phillips went back to tag him.
The real tragedy of that play was that it robbed Barajas of his lone stolen base for the year.
Hamels was Cy-like tonight. Dominating. That change-up is sick.
Perhaps they should take all bullpen guys and make them starters. Let 'em go 2-3 innings, give up their runs and then bring in the starters to shut 'em down. Phillies win.
It was nice to see Utley starting to hit a bit too.
And also Rowand has been swinging well too. Where's that yokel Billy Beane at now to rip him?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2007, 09:43:51 PM
Hamels was Cy-like tonight. Dominating. That change-up is sick.
Perhaps they should take all bullpen guys and make them starters. Let 'em go 2-3 innings, give up their runs and then bring in the starters to shut 'em down. Phillies win.
It was nice to see Utley starting to hit a bit too.
And also Rowand has been swinging well too. Where's that yokel Billy Beane at now to rip him?
He's busy nursing off Burrel's VORP.
The real blown call was the one where they called Barajas out when he was CLEARLY missed by Phillips the first time, and his foot was CLEARLY on the base when Phillips went back to tag him.
mos def
i think thats why charlie came out to argue the nunez play even tho nunez barely argued it...not cause he thought he was right but because they blew the barajas call and he wanted to say something
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 21, 2007, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2007, 09:43:51 PM
Hamels was Cy-like tonight. Dominating. That change-up is sick.
Perhaps they should take all bullpen guys and make them starters. Let 'em go 2-3 innings, give up their runs and then bring in the starters to shut 'em down. Phillies win.
It was nice to see Utley starting to hit a bit too.
And also Rowand has been swinging well too. Where's that yokel Billy Beane at now to rip him?
He's busy nursing off Burrel's VORP.
Speaking of Burrell and those who lust for him; The other night they showed a shot of him in the on-deck circle and then Wheels added in a lustful voice "Oooh, there's Pat".
Thats farging disgusting.
Speaking of disgusting...the TV commentating is downright despicable. The Phillies should be ashamed of themselves. Get LA back on TV and for fargs sake, TAKE Wheels off for a FEW INNINGS! A whole game of him is ridiculous. The Phillies KNOW the fans hate him, they KNOW HK hates him, so them keeping him on there for the whole farging game is like shoving it down our throats.
amen
wheels is arguably the worst announcer thats ever been in this city
the thing that infuriates me most about him is that the opponent is constantly making the best plays ever...its never the phillies fault....if the other team hits a homer its not a bad pitch its the batter "turning the wind around" on a monster shot that "would have made it out of any park"
if a phillies pitcher makes a mistake it was an "unbelievable piece of hitting" by the batter
the phillies have never ever done anything wrong
It's Monty's decision.
The Phillies may be a stupid organization, but they are smart in that they know no matter how often Wheels is on TV, it will not affect how many watch the games/overall interest in the team.
They obviously like Wheels because he's a front office lackey and will also put a positive spin on things so the Phillies always look good.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2007, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 21, 2007, 09:31:00 PM
Nunez got the tip of the runners foot before he reached the bag, they showed the replay 10x from 4 different angles in Philly.
I thought I saw him hit the tip of the toe as well.
IGY, saying he CLEARLY missed is reaching. ::)
Nunez clearly tipped his foot before he reached the base, I even had my glasses on and my shoes...so I can have them. My g/f who knows nothing about baseball even saw it...but whatever...games over.
Bring back Scott Graham
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 21, 2007, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2007, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 21, 2007, 09:31:00 PM
Nunez got the tip of the runners foot before he reached the bag, they showed the replay 10x from 4 different angles in Philly.
I thought I saw him hit the tip of the toe as well.
IGY, saying he CLEARLY missed is reaching. ::)
Nunez clearly tipped his foot before he reached the base, I even had my glasses on and my shoes...so I can have them. My g/f who knows nothing about baseball even saw it...but whatever...games over.
Bring back Scott Graham
I watched the replay on the Reds' telecast (good crew), and I thought that Nunez never touched the runner. Cie la vie, Hamels shut the door anyway.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 21, 2007, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 21, 2007, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 21, 2007, 09:31:00 PM
Nunez got the tip of the runners foot before he reached the bag, they showed the replay 10x from 4 different angles in Philly.
I thought I saw him hit the tip of the toe as well.
IGY, saying he CLEARLY missed is reaching. ::)
Nunez clearly tipped his foot before he reached the base, I even had my glasses on and my shoes...so I can have them. My g/f who knows nothing about baseball even saw it...but whatever...games over.
Bring back Scott Graham
He's been reduced to doing PBP for NFL Europe games.
I wasn't a fan of his either though. But this 9-innings of Wheels is mind numbing. At this point I would take Andy Musser and Kent Tekulve back.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2007, 09:58:25 PM
amen
wheels is arguably the worst announcer thats ever been in this city
he is one of the worst announcers in any sport, ever.
r u shteintin' me about Scott Graham? is he really doing NFL Eurpoe? I actually enjoyed listening to him the past few years. I was wondering what happened to him. I've been lucky as the past few games on mlb.com have been the Nationals and Reds TV broadcast. Geo is correct in that the Cincy crew is quite good. I was surprised to hear Don Sutton doing the Nationals games.
That triple play was great. Hamel's took over the #1 spot last night. He was just amazing to watch. I love the poise he shows and just how he walks off the field after a strikeout. Most wont say it, but Charlie put a good lineup out there last night. I liked the moves he put on.
It was a pleasure watching Colebert pitch last night. Complete dominance. The Reds looked befuddled at his change-up.
And I agree about the Reds broadcasting crew. They were a pleasure to listen to after having to deal with the likes of Bad Rug Wheeler & Mushmouth Sarge lately. It's gotten to the point where I routinely turn the sound off when I watch the game on the computer. I'll listen to my iPod instead. Pretty sad.
sweet play by rowand
Rowand just made a nice diving catch to end the 5th.
Is anyone one else having a tough time locating the ball today? Even in HD I can barely tell whats going on when the ball is in play.
Howard caught a humpback liner, but missed a double play opportunity when he dropped the ball taking it out of his glove.
Geary has Encarnacion at 0-2.
Nice thrown by Victorino to nail the runner at home. That had disaster written all over it and the Phils come out giving up just one run. I'll take it.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 22, 2007, 03:28:16 PM
Nice thrown by Victorino to nail the runner at home. That had disaster written all over it and the Phils come out giving up just one run. I'll take it.
I know Victorino wasn't deep but that throw was a rope. Good play.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 22, 2007, 03:28:16 PM
Nice thrown by Victorino to nail the runner at home. That had disaster written all over it and the Phils come out giving up just one run. I'll take it.
Ya don't think Cole can come out today, do ya? :-\
That was a close one. Victorino saves phils from near disaster.
Phils get lucky and get the run back.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 22, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
Phils get lucky and get the run back.
Did you see the replay on that? He hit the ball straight down, just to the outside of his front foot and and from there it shot down the grass along the 3rd base line. That ball had to have some serious rotation for it to bounce the way it did.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 22, 2007, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 22, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
Phils get lucky and get the run back.
Did you see the replay on that? He hit the ball straight down, just to the outside of his front foot and and from there it shot down the grass along the 3rd base line. That ball had to have some serious rotation for it to bounce the way it did.
Yep. Helms has a 2nd career upcoming:
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1950's movie star?
I think Mike Stanton broke into the big leagues the same year "The Hustler" premiered in 1961.
Glad you used the Paul Newman picture and not the knucklehead Tom Cruise.
You sure it was 61? I thought it came out in 59. ???
Ryan Howard says hello.
1961. Thank god I can say it was before I was born. You know you are getting old when they show that segment at the Academy Awards honoring those that passed away during the year from the movie industry and you say "Hey I remember seeing him/her in that movie."
nice shot Howard!!!
i wonder if that gets choke dog out of his horrible slump...it was a meaningless shot but sometimes its something like that that breaks you out of a funk...be interesting to see how his at bats are next series in more important situations
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 22, 2007, 04:07:28 PM
You sure it was 61? I thought it came out in 59. ???
Novel = 1959
Movie = 1961
Quote from: Don Ho on April 22, 2007, 04:14:49 PM
1961. Thank god I can say it was before I was born. You know you are getting old when they show that segment at the Academy Awards honoring those that passed away during the year from the movie industry and you say "Hey I remember seeing him/her in that movie."
nice shot Howard!
It's hard to believe we're THIS close to John Wayne being dead 30 years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2007, 04:16:21 PM
i wonder if that gets choke dog out of his horrible slump...it was a meaningless shot but sometimes its something like that that breaks you out of a funk...be interesting to see how his at bats are next series in more important situations
Maybe, maybe not. His swing is getting better and even the Reds announcers made mention to that earlier in the game about how he was basically pulling his lead foot in spring training and early in the season and now he's keeping that foot in front of him during his swing.
Of course, he's still being fooled by some pitches so him cleaning up his mechanics isn't going to help him identify pitches better or give him better plate discipline. But it'll help.
Good to see the Phils knocking runs in, even in the 9th inning.
this week ahead...houston make up game...plus three game set vs nationals:
sampson vs eaton
bergman vs moyer
hill vs lieber
chico vs hamels
So Myers is the Closer now?
no.....at least not yet....hes in now to try to get his arm acclimated to being in a relief role by pitching on back to back days...three of four...ect....
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
no.....at least not yet....hes in now to try to get his arm acclimated to being in a relief role by pitching on back to back days...three of four...ect....
Much obliged.
Alfonseca (7th), Flash (8th), Myers (9th) might not be too bad.
Good thing that the Phils added those 4 runs in the top of the 9th because Myers has already given up a run and they've got a man on 2nd with one out.
Alfonseca (7th), Flash (8th), Myers (9th) might not be too bad
the way gordon looks it certainly appears that we are headed this way....the question is can gordon even be a set up man at this point in his career...it may be that hes completely done
Myers closes it out and the Phils have their first winning streak of the year.
My line of thought was maybe if they move him out of a pressure situation then he might perform better. I really hope he hasn't lost his stuff, that would suck.
I also wonder if Myers can hold up to the mental part of being a closer.
thats a valid point about myers...he might even be mentally weaker than mcnabb
gordon has been shtein since his injury last year. hes cooked.
myers should be the closer, with alfonseca the setup man and it appears that geary might have to be the 7th inning dude, though gillick should really get on bringing in another arm here..
good win today
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2007, 04:35:44 PM
Alfonseca (7th), Flash (8th), Myers (9th) might not be too bad
the way gordon looks it certainly appears that we are headed this way....the question is can gordon even be a set up man at this point in his career...it may be that hes completely done
I can't remember who said this (may have been Rob Dibble on XM Radio), but someone said that Gordon appears to be afraid to throw his good curveball - like it hurts his elbow to throw it too much.
If he's counting on fastballs and cutters, he's screwed. He needs that curve to be effective.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 20, 2007, 09:33:19 PM
Myers looked filthy. The batter he walked he had at least two pitches called balls that were strikes and he looked really annoyed by it.
That's the thing I worry about with him. I don't know if he has the temperment to close.
Quote from: NGM on April 22, 2007, 04:38:19 PM
My line of thought was maybe if they move him out of a pressure situation then he might perform better. I really hope he hasn't lost his stuff, that would suck.
I also wonder if Myers can hold up to the mental part of being a closer.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2007, 04:39:47 PM
thats a valid point about myers...he might even be mentally weaker than mcnabb
Ahem... ;)
Nice win for the Sillies today. I listened to the game on my handy-dandy roadie XM player while my daughter was swimming in the pool this afternoon. I have to say I was shocked that they tacked on four runs in the ninth. I had a dreadful feeling they were going to throw it away again today. Maybe they've actually turned the corner because Utley is starting to smack the shtein out the ball and the rest of the team doesn't look completely clueless at the plate either.
Big series against the Nats. A sweep of those bums would be noish.
Let's beat Houston first.
Next weekend vs Florida, it looks like they'll face both Anibal Sanchez and D-Train...
Willis is a homo.
cant believe they spent 25 million on eaton while they have no closer and overall one of the worst pens in all of baseball
Gillick panicked and got Eaton because they couldn't nab a top flight starter. But a little bit later, they made the trade for Freddy Garcia (who is not a top flight starter, but still pretty good). All the while Lieber was under contract and probably better than Eaton.
Also loved the exchange in the booth:
On screen graphic reads: Chris Sampson- Auburn (A) 1999...then his stats under it as a shortstop
Wheels: Oh one of those Auburn guys
Harry: No actually he went to Texas Tech
Long pause
Wheels: Yea so he went to Texas Tech and played minor league ball in Auburn, he was out of baseball for three years and pitched a real good game against the Phillies last year (repeating stuff he said 4 times already in the broadcast).
Easy, easy thing to get confused over. Mistaking Auburn the college with Auburn the single A baseball team. But Wheels is so ridiculous that he can't even laugh off that minor, minor misreading. What a tool.
he could have possibly laughed it off if it wasnt harry who corrected him...no way is he letting that happen and admitting it
harry was all too happy to do it to
probably yea. but it was a little mistake. i made the same one right when i saw the graphic, but quickly realized the "a" next to auburn, signifying that it was the minors, not college.
wheels is a fleshpophead, plain and simple. he loves correcting harry when he forgets things or gets calls wrong because hes old and crazy. then it happens to him once and he acts like a pompous assmuncher.
charlie manuel is a MORON!
take one of your hotter hitters out of a 3 run game in the 6th inning!? when your bullpen is shtein?
and you put in a brain dead rook who has no business being on this level.
what a dumb farg
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2007, 09:13:05 PM
charlie manuel is a MORON!
take one of your hotter hitters out of a 3 run game in the 6th inning!? when your bullpen is shtein?
and you put in a brain dead rook who has no business being on this level.
what a dumb farg
I'm not watching tonight......what'd he do?
he pinch ran Bourn for Burrell at 2nd base with 2 outs in the 6th. Bourn promptly ran into the 3rd out at 3rd base instead of making the 3rd baseman make the play to first.
a 3 run lead in this ballpark with this bullpen is not a comfy lead
What a farging dill hole.
JRoll hits for the cycle.
Phils winning 9-4 in the 7th.
Utley just hit a Ryan Howard type BOMB to dead center field. 11-4 Phils.
I mean....over the brick walls back there. :o
he didn't hit for the cycle, he got 2 singles in a row, no double
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2007, 09:42:03 PM
he didn't hit for the cycle, he got 2 singles in a row, no double
oh crap, why did I think he only needed a single? Sorry, my mistake.
it's ok...i forgive you
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choke dog has has more k's than rbi hr and runs combined
how mad would you be if he was your first round fantasy pick this year
Games like this are fun 8)
I'm very happy with this game.
luke scott is a little bitch
Nice to see the bats didn't cool off after coming alive yesterday.....especially late in the game.
3 in a row?
ahhhh someone threw some stuff on the field punk.
20 hits?!?!? Holy smoke!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2007, 09:48:05 PM
choke dog has has more k's than rbi hr and runs combined
how mad would you be if he was your first round fantasy pick this year
about as mad as if i started chris sampson tonight
or as mad as clint is right now
ha...i took Howard first pick in my other league, but that's no money involved, so i don't care
3 in a row :o
"Its starting to come together, Pepper....its starting to come together."
"Yep."
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 23, 2007, 10:09:56 PM
3 in a row :o
The great comeback to fall one game short of the playoffs begins! WOO!
They're still zesty
The great comeback to fall one game short of the playoffs begins! WOO
pretty much....cept it wont even be that close this year cause the braves are back
they will probably take two of three from the pathetic nats...all the idiots will be shouting playoffs then theyll get swept by florida this weekend
Good to see...and Howard is starting to get angry. He smashed his bat after he K'd on a terrible pitch (again).
Jimmy Rollins is god. My boy absolutely hates him and wants to toss Jose Reyes' salad so I like when Jimmy makes him look like a fool.
rollins is the best player on the team and easily my favorite phil in a long time but reyes is not far away from being the best player in the game right now...hes so good its scary
Good stuff: Helluva game from J-Roll tonight. The shot by Chase Utley was ridiculous. Even got a semi-decent start out of Eaton too. The Phillies are starting to pound the shtein out of the ball. The relievers were excellent for three innings. They could definitely use more outings like that from those dudes regardless of who's out there.
Bad stuff: Howard still looks clueless. The douchebag who threw the hot dog on the field should be beaten to a pulp. That kind of shtein is bush-league.
460 ft for that Utley HR
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 23, 2007, 10:48:11 PM
460 ft for that Utley HR
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Yes, Sarge, that was a shot... :paranoid
Pat Burrell > Chase Utley + Ryan Howard x Chris Wheeler.
Does Rod Barajas anger anyone else? Dude makes me mad. And not because I am some Chris Coste junkie like many fans are (I like Coste, but some take it too far with the love). Barajas is pointless here.
Ruiz should be starting full time.
Ruiz should be starting and if they wanted to call up a backup they should have Coste not Barajas.
If they are dissatisfied with the starting C, they could try to give Jaramillo a shot who is doing quite well at AAA and seemingly finally living up to his potential. I'd still rather go with Ruiz fulltime.
Barajas is another panic move that Gillick made in the offseason. I guess Coste hitting over .300 all season last year wasn't good enough for him. Nope - the Phillies had to improve at the backup catcher position and Gillick did what he always seems to do... he reached like a motherfarger.
I'm beginning to dislike him a lot now...
Barajas makes 3 times as much as Howard :-D
Coste has a right to be bitter about this situation. He kicked the shtein out of the ball last year and played a very respectable catcher for that team.
His reward: They send him to the North Pole to play baseball.
Meanwhile... Rod Barajas is hitting .167 in 18 at-bats. Phantastic!
Yes, I don't understand why they felt they needed to sign Barajas. He's never been good offensively. He's been a good defensive catcher for most of his career but that's it. Why the Phillies felt the need to spend money on someone who isn't a clear upgrade from Coste is beyond me. The thing I will definitely criticize Gillick for is that the "roleplayers" (see Barajas/Nunez/AGonzalez etc) have almost uniformally failed.
No doubt he should be here. He got the high hard one from Gillick.
But in listening (and reading some threads on Phils MBs) to WIP you'd think Coste was a 24yr old phenom and not having his bat in there is the sole reason for the slow start
Coste was a positive influence on that clubhouse last year. More importantly, he was extremely productive on the field. Gillick had no reason to go out and replace him yet he still did.
His personnel decisions thus far have been pretty farged up, Jay. Coste getting the shaft this offseason is just the latest.
coste is a zesty player who had a once in a lifetime year last year and he still cant catch...that said id have no problem if he came up but the guys that need to go are dobbs and bourne....neither are fready for the league and dobbs never will be...at least bourne provides defense and pinch running...the only reason dobbs is here and not coste is that he bats lefty
Rowand with a big two-out double to tie the game...
it's good he's hitting this year because his defense has been shtein
Korver and his girlfriend were at the game. Her face was hot, but she was sitting down so no body.
I would really like to see the Phils get up by a run by the end of the 6th so we can see Alfonseca, Myers, and then Gordon.
I guess that would fall under the morbid curiosity category.
My grandpa has been dead for 35 years, even he knows that Madson sucks.
Rowand ties it up with a solo jack.
Billy Beane's head must have exploded...
Rowand > Howard
Quote from: MDS on April 24, 2007, 08:56:22 PM
My grandpa has been dead for 35 years, even he knows that Madson sucks.
That's only a skosh longer than Charlie Manuel, who's actually been brain dead for 32 years and 7 months.
Hilarious stuff:
QuoteManuel has survived a heart attack, quadruple bypass surgery, and cancer. During his time with the Indians he worked in the dugout with a colostomy bag beneath his jacket.
Go Charlie go. Just don't let the bag explode.
Who IS this team?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 24, 2007, 09:49:03 PM
Who IS this team?
A streaky team that's on one of their good ones right now. Still 8-11. Sure as heck beats 3-10!
world. playoffs?
farging Mets just tied it up in the bottom of the ninth. Easley with 2 out and 2 strikes.
8-11. Damn, we win four in a row I feel like we're undefeated.
Can you imagine if they'd jettisoned Rowand and Burrell?
Who IS this team?playoffs?Quote from: ice grillin you on April 23, 2007, 10:13:16 PM
they will take two of three from the pathetic nats...all the idiots will be shouting playoffs then theyll get swept by florida this weekend
They'll get rained out tomorrow since i took off work for the business person special.
it was a joke, igy. i guess you watch a lot of fox news and enjoy taking things out of context to prove how right you are.
i know it was dunn dunn...straighten your panties out
and im always right
the only thing youve ever been right about is that the wire is the greatest show known to man. but you sort of just stole that off of me. rajon rando what.
What's the wire?
Die.
the only thing youve ever been right about is that the wire is the greatest show known to man. but you sort of just stole that off of me. rajon rando what.
newbie i was on the wire when your lunches consisted of sippy cups and broken up matzoh
and rondo is a player
just like i called with dalembert in time he will turn out to be a good one
i started watching the wire a few years ago and stopped with the sippy cups before i turned 16. so shut it.
Boston basketball players are not to be spoken of in this farging thread.
Ever.
Why not? The Celtics suck similarly to the Phillies.
If Rowand keeps his patience at the plate that he has had so far I will have absolutely no problem with him.
Just stop talking.
Hey, any of you fargs going to the game tomorrow?
I'll be in South Philly, if that counts for anything.
I'm listening to the game online right now because apparently J-ville, NC is part of the DC "market" so the game is blacked out. Lame.
IF ONLY YOU WERE IN KANSAS CITY!!
He could be around midwestern hicks as opposed to southern hicks?
Phil Cuzzi is obviously trying to get out of the rain tonight
Howitzer with a 2-run, 2 out shot
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2007, 07:46:14 PM
IF ONLY YOU WERE IN KANSAS CITY!!
I could fix it now by going online and changing my credit card info to a KC zip code but I'm lazy.
wow the nationals suck and if victorino hits one more ball in the air im gonna break something
Wow, Utley's found his swing. :o
utley is ridiculously good
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2007, 08:56:28 PM
wow the nationals suck and if victorino hits one more ball in the air im gonna break something
How about if Victorino runs himself into another out?
without sliding
i only saw one replay as they went to commercial but he looked safe...was he def out?
anyway yes hes gotta slide...i guess the phillies are so good now they dont need any extra runs when they have a nice lead
especially when you bring a stopper like Matt Smith in..
yeah, he was out, got him on the knee before he touched the plate
Matt Smith is terrible. They need a lefthander out the pen now.
They need a lefthander out the pen now.
and later
I hate you.
thats weird
cause i love you
Jimmy Rollins continues his assault on Ryan Howard's team home run record... ;)
And I think that Chase Utley's slump is officially over. 5-for-5.
Phils win, Phils win. They could finish April over .500. WORLD SERIES BAHAHA
They're still zesty.
Rosario looked pretty good in a closer role tonight.
I wonder if Uncle Cholly motivated this team by placing a life size card board cutout of Monty in the locker room and promised to peel a piece off every time they win.
This is fun!!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 25, 2007, 11:13:48 PM
I wonder if Uncle Cholly motivated this team by placing a life size card board cutout of Monty in the locker room and promised to peel a piece off every time they win.
There's only one thing left to do.
Win the whole fargin thing.
What out-of-towners miss from not hearing Sarge (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fGh--g_d77U)
QuotePhillies OF Michael Bourn got his first career extra-base hit, a triple in the eighth inning.
Let's throw him a party!
In other news, why in hell is Matt Smith still in the majors?
I could fix it now by going online and changing my credit card info to a KC zip code but I'm lazy.
sarge is this a joke....or does it really go by the zip you signed up with
matt smith down fabio castro up
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 26, 2007, 06:43:57 AM
In other news, why in hell is Matt Smith still in the majors?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2007, 12:16:37 PM
matt smith down fabio castro up
OMG Gillick reads :CF!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2007, 12:16:37 PM
I could fix it now by going online and changing my credit card info to a KC zip code but I'm lazy.
sarge is this a joke....or does it really go by the zip you signed up with
matt smith down fabio castro up
The question is, does having the threat of even a zesty lefty beat having no lefty at all?
castro is a lefty
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2007, 12:16:37 PM
I could fix it now by going online and changing my credit card info to a KC zip code but I'm lazy.
sarge is this a joke....or does it really go by the zip you signed up with
matt smith down fabio castro up
No, dead serious. When I signed up it said that I am subject to blackouts for both DC and B-more games because of my billing zip. So I will never be able to watch a Nats or Orioles game on mlb tv and I'm crushed about that.
It wouldn't be a big deal if I lived in an area where they actually broadcast the games on local tv because then I could just flip on the tube.
no i know about the blackouts but i was asking does it go by your zip code...my brother lives in cali and has the package so i was gonna get his sign on shtein if it would allow me to watch the game at work in dc today
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 26, 2007, 02:00:52 PM
When I signed up it said that I am subject to blackouts for both DC and B-more games because of my billing zip.
I guess that whatever mlb tv considers to be the "local" market team(s) are the ones they black out....both home and away games. So if you have a credit card with a billing zip code outside of whatever they consider to be a market area zip, then you'll be good to go.
Of course, if you use your bother's card then that could mean you wouldn't be able to catch games vs the Padres, Dodgers, Giants, Angles or A's depending on what part of the state he lives in. Of course, the Angels and A's wouldn't be a huge deal since you're only talking about missing a few games every few years.
Hamels knocked around a little in the 4th, still only gave up 1 run (Dmitri Young HR)
Phils only have 1 hit so far, this game is going fast.
yeah, this game is moving incredibly fast. 6th inning already.
phils look flat today.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 26, 2007, 04:15:23 PM
yeah, this game is moving incredibly fast. 6th inning already.
phils look flat today.
Their bats look lousy, Hill deserves credit for throwing a good game.
3-0 nats
Of course, if you use your bother's card then that could mean you wouldn't be able to catch games vs the Padres, Dodgers, Giants, Angles or A's depending on what part of the state he lives in. Of course, the Angels and A's wouldn't be a huge deal since you're only talking about missing a few games every few years.
i found out it goes by IP address not CC
congrats to me for picking up shawn hill and starting him today in fantasy
Hamels is getting relieved by Geary.
Hamels has been struggling since last inning, Barajas should have called a time out to console him and settle him down. They just left him out there even though his location has been off today, he's still young and needs a talk to settle down...he's not Moyer.
LOL - I talked my buddy into trading for Hamels in his fantasy league last night. Now I'll have to listen to his pitiful crying ass all weekend.
BTW: Barajas might be the worst catcher in Phillies history.
Hamels has been struggling since last inning, Barajas should have called a time out to console him and settle him down. They just left him out there even though his location has been off today, he's still young and needs a talk to settle down...he's not Moyer.
yeah everyone sucked hamels off after last game...but the guys a baby still...hes gonna go thru growing pains...and youre right barajas should have settled him down
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2007, 04:23:00 PM
Of course, if you use your bother's card then that could mean you wouldn't be able to catch games vs the Padres, Dodgers, Giants, Angles or A's depending on what part of the state he lives in. Of course, the Angels and A's wouldn't be a huge deal since you're only talking about missing a few games every few years.
i found out it goes by IP address not CC
Is it really? I could have sword that they said I was subject to blackout because of the address I gave them with my CC. Either way, it still sucks.
And for some reason that I don't understand, but I can't even listen to the radio broadcast of the game today either. During the last series against the Nats in Washington I was at least able to listen to the game.
Barajas makes about 30+ times more scratch than anyone on this board makes.
And for some reason that I don't understand, but I can't even listen to the radio broadcast of the game today either. During the last series against the Nats in Washington I was at least able to listen to the game.
i got it on mlb radio
Sarge, try this link in Internet Explorer:
http://www.wbcb1490.com/listen.htm
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 26, 2007, 04:58:07 PM
Sarge, try this link in Internet Explorer:
http://www.wbcb1490.com/listen.htm
Ah, good stuff Easy. Thanks man.
When you pay for mlbtv on mlb.com I thought you were supposed to be able to watch every out of market game and listen to radio broadcasts of every game. When I logged on to mlb.com today though, there was no option for me to listen to the radio broadcast.
When you pay for mlbtv on mlb.com I thought you were supposed to be able to watch every out of market game and listen to radio broadcasts of every game. When I logged on to mlb.com today though, there was no option for me to listen to the radio broadcast.
try going to the phillies or nationals team page and hit the listen here icon...that might do it
or get XM radio
12-10
Rowand hit a shot to center field 4-1
His hitting streak is now at 14
Helms sucks.
Streaks over, Bums go down 4-2. Bring on the fish
shtein. those were so fricken close! I was on a phone call and watching this unfold. I am sure I let out a few expletives on Utley's almost outta here.
time to go be negative.
HK got me on the Burrell one. I thought it was gone.
I was reloading the play by play page at work. Once Wes Helms was up I x-ed out.
The game sucked today, at least i got hammered. The best part of the day was the drunk japanese guy on ashburn alley who was singing and yelling. Im pretty sure it will be up on youtube by tomorrow. Every person there had their cellcameras out.
If his name isn't Lee or Chung, I'll give you $20.
Who knows what his name was, but he was great
(http://media.philly.com/images/20070427_dn_z1subw27s.JPG)
(http://media.philly.com/images/20070427_dn_z1subw27s.JPG)
Please God... tell me that's photochopped.
:-\
Unless Jared's 6'4 and that white line running through the center is meant to be there I'd say its a fake.
no.howard filmed a commercial like strahan did last year w/jared for subway.
what do I know...eat fresh
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/20070401_Star_Quality.html
Quote"He was awesome," Howard said. "We had a lot of fun."
That's just awful
They went to McDonalds when no one was looking. And then the cuddled.
More proof that the Subway diet is bullshtein, otherwise Howard wouldn't be 20 lbs. heavier than he was last season
Howard's swing has lost weight awesomely.
I feel used.
Miguel. Cabrera.
Nice job Garcia pitching out of a bases loaded 1 out jam
Aaron. Rowand.
Move that man to the 4 hole
RBI double Carlos Ruiz. Helms scores. Bums up 2-1
WP Ruiz moves up to third. Garcia flies out to center, Ruiz scores. 3-1 Bums. 1 out, top of the order
That's a lot of grit.
Garcia throws a lolipop and Jacobs takes it deep. 3-2 Bums.
lollipop, lollipop... ooohhh lolli lollipop
lollipop, lollipop... ooohhh lolli lollipop
lollipop, lollipop... ooohhh lolli lollipop
lollipop! POP! bah dum bum pum
Freddy didn't have it tonight and is out after 4.2 innings and 103 pitches.
Six Fingers is in and gives up a base hit and Florida ties it. Bases still loaded w/ 2 out
Im. Plosion.
bases loaded walk; 4-3 Fish
Jimmy motherfargin Rollins!!!!!!!
line drive HR to tie it up.
Atta baby Jimmy!
9 HRs
Chase motherfargin Utley!!!!
a moon shot to take the lead!!
Mitch Will...I mean Tom Gordon in to close it.
Mike Jacobs, who is crushing it tonight, doubles to LF.
0 outs.
Extra innings (or a loss in 9) here we come.
Flash @#$%* Gordon :boom
good lord.
I can't take watching this guy pitch anymore this season.
Bums.
Rowand needs a triple for the cycle.
28 hits total tonight and the score is only 5-5.
Never fear, Michael Bourn is up! :D
Great bunt Wes! Gotta love his speed.
what the heck was Cabrera doing at third? A crossword puzzle?
WE WIN!
One in a row :yay
Off to the gym to release some Tom Gordon induced stress, early bedtime then up at 5:30 AM HST to watch the draft.
Bums win! Bums win!
Hard fought victory is nice to see.
I'll be in attendance tomorrow night after the draft party. D-Train
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 27, 2007, 10:46:39 PM
Bums win! Bums win!
Hard fought victory is nice to see.
I'll be in attendance tomorrow night after the draft party. D-Train
i hope the birds pick before the first pitch. My god the first round takes like 8 hours.
I'm thinking they'll pick around 5 or 6, I'll have to get updated at McFaddens or something, I hate missing the draft but oh well.
When we were there two weeks ago to see the phils play the Astros, McFaddens was going off after the game. We left the stadium about 45 to 60 minutes and about $200 less in my pocket from a visit to the Majestic Clubhouse Store after the last out and the place was packed. Looked like alot of fun.
Ryan Howard looks horrible at the plate. With Willis pitching tonight I want to see Howard have a seat on the bench. Dude is trying to pull every pitch and its killing him. Until he starts going oppo he'll continue to struggle.
Aaron Rowand is on fire.
Gordon sucks. Garcia needs to lose weight.
But a win is a win.
It has to make mpmcgraw's head explode that he's so right about Burrell and so wrong about Rowand.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2007, 08:58:21 AM
It has to make mpmcgraw's head explode that he's so right about Burrell and so wrong about Rowand.
Let's just hope that they both can keep it up and have excellent seasons.
Howard needs Greg Gross back as hitting coach. ;)
Interesting lineup vs D-Train:
ROWAND
Victorino
Rollins
Utley
Burrell
Helms
Nunez
Barajas
Eaton
so...another lineup with only 5 hitters
Im glad Howard is sitting.
Some on BSG complained about this. Figure that Howard has been eating ass and Willis, a day off to chill isn't a bad idea. He can't play 162 games, so why not give him a break now.
Also, Eaton back to his old tricks. 5-2 Fish after 2.5.
7-4
Eaton is god.
Can Kevin Kolb pitch?
Wrong Thread
Good thing I have Extra Innings. Baltimore-Cleveland is a far more interesting game.
Bums
Eaton > Myers
No.
ryan howard is bum
the bums are a .500 team
get used to it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2007, 10:06:46 AM
ryan howard is bum
the bums are a .500 team
get used to it
Right now they have a lot of work to do to be even that good.
Rowand hitting 5th today; Burrell on the bench
why is Nunez hitting ahead of Ruiz?
1-0 Phils after 2. RBI single by Utley
Werth just made a nice catch
Moyer has a ____________ through 6
Werth with a 2-run single with the bases loaded! 3-0
My buddy went to the game on a whim today and was quite surprised it was sold out.
Phanatic's birthday today
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 29, 2007, 03:22:12 PM
Phanatic's birthday today
Millwood pitched a _______ on the Phanatics b-day too, didn't he?
I'm sure his momma is very proud... and good-looking.
Miguel Cabrera scares me
with good reason
no mo no no
Abe almost had it too
Damn. :(
Moyer gets a standing ovation in the bottom half and lines a double past Cabrera :-D
He's still on 3rd though with 2 outs
And Moyer gets a double, just to have both Rollins and Victorino pop out (he did go to third on a wild pitch).
And Utley grounds out to strand Moyer at 3rd.
two on, 1 out...we get to see Myers in his first real pressure situation coming out of the pen
Quote from: SunMo on April 29, 2007, 03:52:38 PM
two on, 1 out...we get to see Myers in his first real pressure situation coming out of the pen
And he did alright! :yay
yeah he did
Marlins announcer (and former Phil) Tommy Hutton says that arsonist Flash Gordon is warming up.
He said that the fans wouldn't be happy. :-D
Dobbs with a bases loaded, two-out double. 6-0 Phils.
that should be enough for Gordon
Quote from: SunMo on April 29, 2007, 04:10:38 PM
Dobbs with a bases loaded, two-out double. 6-0 Phils.
that should be enough for Gordon
But will it be for ol' six-fingers?
Winnar. Now go take 2/3 from the Braves, you bums.
I'll admit this now, Myers to the pen was a good idea. My opinion is subject to change considering how awful Eaton's been and considering Lieber won't keep up. Myers 2 SO's in the clutch today were huge.
it look quicker than I thought, but Yankees fans are starting to get sick of good ol' Bobby A up there.
after trying to bunt with men on base, two days in a row. Mike Fransesca said this:
Quotefor your three hole hitter to get up there in an rbi situation and try to move the runners, that is a disgrace. If he is not confident enough in his swing to get a base hit, he shouldnt be playing. I finally see why the phillies fans wanted him out. I dont know how much more of his looking to walk and not get the big hit i can take
ha!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 29, 2007, 08:29:45 PM
I'll admit this now, Myers to the pen was a good idea. My opinion is subject to change considering how awful Eaton's been and considering Lieber won't keep up. Myers 2 SO's in the clutch today were huge.
Myers is better suited for the pen. And has been for a few seasons. Myers is fiery pitcher who runs on emotion rather than strategy.
Coming out of the pen, he can load up and fire at will with everything he has, and not worry about tiring out by the 6th inning. He was never any good at pacing himself, and now he doesnt have to.
He was never an "ace" starter.
that was one of the best backhanded compliments i have ever read, well done wing
wing?
(http://www.wingtunes.com/img/front_wingtop.jpg)
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2007, 04:09:42 PM
that was one of the best backhanded compliments i have ever read, well done wing
Ha!
I do beleive it though, Myers has the stuff and the makeup to be an all-star reliever. And I don't even like the guy.
He's a ho...
(http://www.popentertainment.com/Steve%20Carell1.jpg)
...fo' sho'...
Nunez just made a nice play on a hard-hit ball by Andruw Jones to start a 5-4-3 double play.
If Helms was in, there's a run in and runners on 1st and 2nd (or 3rd).
Tied 2-2. Lieber's had runners on most every inning, but has pitched out of most of the trouble.
Rowand left the game...stiff lower back
Rowand hurt? No way.
Quote from: SunMo on April 30, 2007, 08:57:51 PM
Rowand left the game...stiff lower back
You could see him trying to stretch himself after that one dive - the one where he had to reach awkwardly to keep the ball from going by him.
Another day another bullpen implosion.
farg this team and the idiot who put it together.
Um, Alfonseca has been money. So he gave one up - no biggie. If it leads to him sucking every night ala Madson, then I see a problem.
I got out of class just in time to hear the HR.
King Cole tomorrow
they'll take 2 of 3
Hamels vs Mark Redman
Garcia vs Chuck James
Brooms.
they'll take 2 of 3
double or nothing?
you gotta give me better odds, i'm already behind the eight ball
triple or nothing.
youre behind in odds but have nothing to lose...i can understand not wanting to do it but theres a reason its called double or nothing
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 30, 2007, 11:02:27 PM
Um, Alfonseca has been money. So he gave one up - no biggie. If it leads to him sucking every night ala Madson, then I see a problem.
I got out of class just in time to hear the HR.
King Cole tomorrow
He wasn't money last night unless you cheer for the Braves.
I just saw a replay of the hanging garbage 6ie served up to Andruuu. I think I could have parked that.
It's not even worth getting upset over anymore. It makes no difference who they bring in to close out games because they all suck.
It's like they went to a Kelly's Girls temp agency for relief pitchers.
What was the point of taking Myers out lastnight? Guys used to being a starter, pitching a few innings a couple times a week isn't going to kill him. Manuel gives him the hook way too early.
He wasnt pitching all that well last night. Got into some trouble.
If you're grooming him to be a set-up eventual closer...you can't just decide on a whim to throw him out there for 2 or 3 innings.
Who says you have to have a traditional 9th inning closer? If he's getting it done in the 8th I don't see how it hurts leaving him out there for the 9th.
He really didnt get anything done in the 8th, other than get out of the 2nd and 3rd, 1 out jam that he put himself into.
Who's a better option in the 9th, Myers or Alfonseca? Myers didn't give up any runs, he only pitched 2/3 of an inning on Sunday, so he wouldn't have been overused if he had pitched another inning lastnight.
Alfonseca has only given 2 earned runs all season before last night.
He's actually been their most consistant reliever. He was fine for the 9th in a tie game.
I know it was only mop up duty but he looked zesty pitching the 9th in Sunday's game. Aside from that, he hasn't been bad. Still, I leave Myers in. The point I'm trying to make is if Myers is getting the job done, why take him out? Using him an inning a close game isn't what I had in mind when he went to the pen.
QuoteMoyer's words were a spark when the Phillies were reeling
By Jim Salisbury
Inquirer Staff Writer
ATLANTA - Jamie Moyer did a lot more for the Phillies in April than go 3-1 with a 2.65 ERA in five starts.
According to multiple team sources, the veteran pitcher was one of the most forceful and influential voices in a pregame meeting called by manager Charlie Manuel when the Phillies were plodding along at 4-11 on April 21.
After the 80-minute meeting in Cincinnati, the Phils reeled off seven wins in their next nine games before last night's 5-2 loss to the Atlanta Braves.
"I think what he said had a positive effect on the team in general," second baseman Chase Utley said of Moyer.
"Moyer was good," Manuel confirmed. "He was very stern."
Details of the meeting, as usually is the case, have been closely guarded. But in recent days, sources have said Moyer helped light the team's fire by invoking a harsh and jarring word in calling out his teammates.
"We're playing like a bunch of [wimps]," he told them.
About a half-dozen players, Manuel and several coaches spoke in the meeting. According to sources, bench coach Jimy Williams and first-base coach Davey Lopes also made pointed remarks.
Williams told the team it was too concerned with style, adding that style mattered only in platform diving and gymnastics.
Lopes, an old-school product of the Los Angeles Dodgers' system, spoke for about 15 minutes, touching strongly on his distaste for pregame hugs and the fraternization that Phillies players engaged in with opposing teams. Lopes told the team that in his playing days, players spent the time before games plotting ways to beat the other team, not greet it.
Utley and Jimmy Rollins also had unspecified messages for the team.
"We got a lot of different ideas from a lot of different people," Manuel said.
Moyer's comments created the most buzz (and were quite well-received) around the organization, particularly the one about playing like wimps.
The lefthander, by the way, has won both his starts since the meeting, allowing just three runs in 131/3 innings.
The 44-year-old lefthander, who won his 219th career game Sunday, did not deny making the pointed remark, among others, yesterday, but he would not comment on specifics.
"I just wanted to give the team my feelings," he said. "I've always believed if you have things on your chest, you need to get them off. I tried to bring up points that I thought were valid and important to get across to my teammates.
"I'm at the point in my career where I want to win. That's it. I [re-signed] here because I thought this team had a really good chance of winning, because I liked what I saw late last season."
Moyer did offer a hint about his overall message.
"I've been around a long time, and I know that over the course of 162 games, there are times you may lose focus," he said. "You can't get caught up in personal things like 'I'm not hitting,' or 'I've allowed five home runs.' "
Moyer shrugged.
"I wasn't trying to offend anyone," he said. "If someone had a problem with it, they could have confronted me, but no one has."
No one will. Moyer is in his 21st season, and he is one of the most respected players in the game. Since coming to the Phillies in August, he has made 13 starts, and the Phils have won 10 of them.
"He's great," said Utley, speaking of Moyer as a pitcher and teammate. "He's awesome."
While Utley said he was unsure how much of the Phillies' turnaround stemmed from the meeting and how much stemmed from their offense's thawing, Moyer said the meeting was "very beneficial." He praised Manuel for his level-headed approach to the meeting and for opening the floor to anyone who wanted to speak.
"Everyone who said something added something good to the situation," Moyer said.
Larry just killed one.
2-0 Braves.
i stole larry in our fantasy draft...i remember asking why he was still on the board mad late..like i thought he was out for the year but i hadnt heard
Hamels looking shakey. I hate when Barajas catches for him, that wild pitch was his fault.
Barajas sucks. Anyway, go team.
hamels still has another year or two of growing pains...the league is catching on to his change his fastball isnt good enough to get people out and he has no reliable third pitch....hes gotta develop his curve ball to the point that he cant get major leaguers out with it
burell you lucky shtein. that was totally strike three.
The Braves telecast just showed two shirtless guys, painted half red and half blue, with a sign that said "Chipper's Chippendales."
:-D :puke
what a farging awful call
i cant believe cole didnt argue that more
Rod Barajas < Sal Fasano
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2007, 09:02:48 PM
Rod Barajas < Sal Fasano
Correct me if I'm mistaken: Didn't Lieberthal offer to come back as a back-up this season?
Hamels has battled back nicely since that rough first inning.
Flash? oh-oh.
much better flash!
Solid win. Tomorrow is huge. Taking 2/3 from Homolanta is a must.
Cole should/could be 5-1 if is wasnt for the bullpen.
I was impressed to see Hamels come back from that rocky first inning against the Braves. He had a solid six innings after that. Just what a top-flight pitcher should do.
Hamels isn't there yet, but the potential definitely is, and he seems to be inching closer to fully realizing that potential.
Move him to the bullpen.
Yes, Hamels did battle nicely tonight. His fastball was alittle off early - not enough movement.
And I think Lieby did want to come back as a backup but his time here was up. I'd rather have Steve Lake back.
Ruiz should be the starter full time anyways. This Barajas dude is not good.
I liked how both ATL catchers got smoked tonight. McCann...dead! Pena? Dead!
Pretty funny shtein.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/070502&sportCat=mlb&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos2
choke dog now has more strikeouts this year than total bases
or the same number of strikeouts as hits + rbi + hr
thank god they didnt sign this guy to the contract he wanted this offseason....you have to question whether this guy can hit in the majors full time or not....i dont see him ever being able to hit lefties again...the further we go the more last year appeared to be the fluke...at the very least do not cake this guy off until after next season so we can see if maybe this year is the fluke
good Lord.
Shut the farg up. The guy has been this good at EVERY level and in his 1 1/2 seasons in the bigs.
lololol reverse jinx
holla
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
choke dog now has more strikeouts this year than total bases
or the same number of strikeouts as hits + rbi + hr
thank god they didnt sign this guy to the contract he wanted this offseason....you have to question whether this guy can hit in the majors full time or not....i dont see him ever being able to hit lefties again...the further we go the more last year appeared to be the fluke...at the very least do not cake this guy off until after next season so we can see if maybe this year is the fluke
"choke dog" just tied the game.
I missed the first couple of innings of sound on this game...can someone tell me why the fans have such a hard-on for this rookie guy and why they keep showing his family 100 times on the Philadelphia broadcast?
youre a joke bahaha
this is what he did against burgos too...lets see how he does in his next 10-15 games...the last homer didnt turn anything around hopefully this one will
at least he has more tb's now than k's...thats a start
And just like that the Braves take the lead again... lol - this team eats lotsapoo.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 02, 2007, 09:51:44 PM
And just like that the Braves take the lead again... lol - this team eats lotsapoo.
No, they don't. Earlier in the season, yes, they did. Right now, no...they dont.
The SPankees sure do though.
The Phillies are currently 12-14 while the Yankees are 10-14.
That's lotsapoo territory right there, PG.
;)
Victorino has one of the top outfield arms in the game, that throw home was the sickness.
Yeah, that little farger has a gun. Werth, Burrell and Victorino have all hosed people this year.
Once again - the offense went dry except for Howards HR.
Meh
Here's a shocker;
Flash is flying back to Philly to have his arm checked out per Mike Radano's blog from the Courier Post.
Hello, Brett Myers as the closer.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2007, 03:06:09 AM
Here's a shocker;
Flash is flying back to Philly to have his arm checked out per Mike Radano's blog from the Courier Post.
Hello, Brett Myers as the closer.
It's been pretty evident that SOMETHING is wrong with him. He's been lousy all season.
Our relievers are fine.
They're zesty.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 02, 2007, 10:07:46 PM
No, they don't. Earlier in the season, yes, they did. Right now, no...they dont.
You are ridiculous.
2-8 against the Mets and Braves. Great.
Quote from: MDS on May 03, 2007, 10:19:35 AM
2-8 against the Mets and Braves. Great.
Well, sir... we're hoping that our midterm grades will REALLY help our average!
Ha!
phillies all nighter??
IN
Phillies/Warriors-Mavs/Final Paper/Final
HOLLA
the giants station just showed a stat...burrell leads the league in assists this decade
Sad or telling that Wheels has never mentioned that?
this whole rally started when I turned the game on. you're welcome philadelphia.
Ryan Howard is atrocious.
and hes still better than burrell
this is a pleasant surprise
Atrocious.
anyone still awake? i love these west coast swings but being summoned for dinner right now.
Aaron Rowand is stupid.
Good job by the bums to let them get back into the game. My boy at work was like "its about time they blow someone out" when it was 9-2; I told him there was still a lot of time for things to go wrong.
Adam Eaton is terrible. Ryan Howard is a strikeout machine. Aaron Rowand plays with much grit and no brain. MDS is going to shoot someone.
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2007, 12:54:32 AM
Aaron Rowand is stupid.
you knew one time one of those dives was going to backfire.
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2007, 01:06:55 AM
Adam Eaton is terrible. Ryan Howard is a strikeout machine. Aaron Rowand plays with much grit and no brain. MDS is going to shoot someone.
MDS Seung Cho?
Know whats funny? If Rowand plays that on a hop, he's called smart. But he dives and goes after it aggressively. Now if that was Abreu and he plays it on a hop, he's called gutless and people want him to dive for it.
It's because Abreu is Mexican and Rowand is American. Or something racial. Philly hates black people. igy.
call this fricken game already!
oh ryan, ouch. strike three.
this is a joke playing in this shtein. myers is pitching great despite the condition of the mound.
Save #1 for Myers 8)
Bring out teh brooooooooooooms.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2007, 01:11:37 AM
Quote from: MDS on May 04, 2007, 01:06:55 AM
Adam Eaton is terrible. Ryan Howard is a strikeout machine. Aaron Rowand plays with much grit and no brain. MDS is going to shoot someone.
MDS Seung Cho?
Know whats funny? If Rowand plays that on a hop, he's called smart. But he dives and goes after it aggressively. Now if that was Abreu and he plays it on a hop, he's called gutless and people want him to dive for it.
Yes, but this is not the first time Rowand has done that. He needs to play things a little more careful on occasion.
choke dog with the golden sombrero
way to follow up on that big homer DAWG!
K's now back to > total bases
One of the Giants fans was yelling "HEY HOWARD, YOU WEIGH MORE THAN YOUR AVERAGE!"
He probably weighs nearly double his average.
this is quickly spiraling into a 2003 pat burrell scenario
funny too cause burrell had his monster season the previous year (02)...just like howard did last year...and has never really come out of it
this is my worry with howard...that hes not last year but closer to what he is now...tho not THIS bad
all i can say is howard can see the tens of millions of dollars slipping out of his hand everytime he flails at another slider off the plate and its eating him alive
Perhaps he needs to adjust his stance and close the front leg a bit to help him stop pulling off everything. Thats what hes trying to do - yank everything 550 to dead right. Hell, last year people were wishing he'd pull more and now I cant even remember more than one hit going to LF-LCF.
someone needs to call out pat gillick for the wes helms signing
the spin he put on all winter that wes helms was somehow some sort of power hitter....he had one season in his career with more than 10 homers but all gillick talked in the offseason was how he was gonna add a lot of offense to the lineup
currently his line is 4 and 9 no not four homers and nine rbi but four errors and nine rbi and ZERO HR
cant nunez do that and not butcher it up in the field?
yes, Nunez can, and think that's why he's been playing more.
Helms was a garbage signing. In other words, he's been a fairly typical Gillick addition.
Helms is great at hitting singles with 2 outs and nobody on
Punch & Judy!
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 04, 2007, 01:32:22 PM
someone needs to call out pat gillick for pretty much all his signings
maybe...but the helms one particularly pisses me off cause he conciously lied about him...he set out to brainwash a lot of people into thinking this guy would bring pop to the lineup...
and then the papers started writing it and the radio talked about it...and the whole time im thinking when did wes helms become a power hitter??...
it was amazing to see...i mean i can specifically recall fans and prognosticators saying one of the reasons the phils could/would win the divison is becasue helms is gonna provide offense at 3rd...number one hes not a full time player and #2 hes not a power hitter....hes david bell but a worse fielder
Adam Eaton could still win 20.
that is incredibly accurate.
Helms' best year in the majors was 2003 when he hit 23 dingers and had 67 rbi's.
For Milwaukee.
I was fine with Nunez at 3rd, the guy couldn't hit worth a damn but he was cheap and a borderline gold glove 3rd baseman. Helms was unnecessary, his money should have been used for bullpen help...anything would suffice.
^^^^
real talk
anyone on this board can hit zero homers
i hit the fence in my game on Tuesday
there wasnt a warning track?
no, i mean i hit a ball that hit the fence
Quote from: SunMo on May 04, 2007, 02:21:52 PM
i hit the fence in my game on Tuesday
How's your glove?
silky smooth
Remember when I said that Garcia wasn't going to be as good as everyone thought and MDS kept quoting stats from 2 and 3 years ago? Good times.
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 04, 2007, 03:23:59 PM
Remember when I said that Garcia wasn't going to be as good as everyone thought and MDS kept quoting stats from 2 and 3 years ago? Good times.
Remember all the things you were quite wrong about (ie: Rowand) but are trying to ignore?
I love the way Rowand is playing at the plate. He has been tremendously more patient this year and although him coming back to earth is inevitable if he keeps walking and not beating himself early in the count I am absolutely fine with him.
Rowand calling off Victorino yesterday in RF with runners on second and third was incredibly retarded. The guy doesn't realize how terrible his arm is.
Quote from: SunMo on May 04, 2007, 02:21:52 PM
i hit the fence in my game on Tuesday
backstop?
LOL
die
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 04, 2007, 03:23:59 PM
Remember when I said that Garcia wasn't going to be as good as everyone thought and MDS kept quoting stats from 2 and 3 years ago? Good times.
youre a joke. he sucks now, but lets chill out for a little. same with howard. igy is basking in the glory of the phils best player sucking chode, but were a month into the season.
im not basking...i want him to be last year...but it is what it is...and its a train wreck which i normally love to see
why would you send Howard there?
FYI...
The team's leadoff hitter has 125% more homeruns than the cleanup hitter.
The team's leadoff hitter has a 105 point batting average advantage over the cleanup hitter.
The team's leadoff hitter has 18 extra base hits. The cleanup hitter has 8.
i know, what a leadoff hitter!
Quote from: rjs246 on May 04, 2007, 11:42:14 PM
FYI...
The team's leadoff hitter has 125% more homeruns than the cleanup hitter.
The team's leadoff hitter has a 105 point batting average advantage over the cleanup hitter.
The team's leadoff hitter has 18 extra base hits. The cleanup hitter has 8.
You pay an awful lot of attention to a sport and team you profess to hate.
And... ROLLINS FOR MVP!
Not only that but rjs liked to point out how Rollins was not a good leadoff hitter too.
Moyer threw well and then that goddamn Alfonzo got him. Now Sixto let the floodgates open.
Bums.
Bums
Howard needs to be demoted to AAA
shut the farg up with the howard stuff ::)
I'm glad I missed it. Kind of.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2007, 01:08:57 AM
shut the farg up with the howard stuff ::)
PG hacked IGY's account!
The relievers are fine.
Dang it, when I went to be the Phils were up 2-0.
Glad I didn't see the end of that travesty.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2007, 12:46:20 AM
Not only that but rjs liked to point out how Rollins was not a good leadoff hitter too.
Most of my point was that Howard sucks, but the other part of my point is that Rollins shouldn't be batting leadoff since he thinks he's a homerun hitter and strikes out way too much. But god forbid a coach change the lineup or the role of a player over the course of his tenure. ROLLINS WAS A LEADOFF HITTER WHEN HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE! HE HAS TO STAY THERE FOREVER! YAY!
is rollins the ideal leadoff guy....NO
is he more than adequate as a lead off guy....YES
whether rollins should or shouldnt lead off is about 107 on the list of issues with this team
Quote from: rjs246 on May 05, 2007, 08:54:41 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2007, 12:46:20 AM
Not only that but rjs liked to point out how Rollins was not a good leadoff hitter too.
Most of my point was that Howard sucks, but the other part of my point is that Rollins shouldn't be batting leadoff since he thinks he's a homerun hitter and strikes out way too much. But god forbid a coach change the lineup or the role of a player over the course of his tenure. ROLLINS WAS A LEADOFF HITTER WHEN HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE! HE HAS TO STAY THERE FOREVER! YAY!
I've said often that the best spots for Rollins would be the #2 or the #6 holes. However, strikeouts aren't the main reasons: Rollins has struck out one less time over the last three seasons than Johnny Damon (225 to 224), though he leads this season 20-13. Actually, the main thing with Rollins is that he doesn't walk enough, so his on base percentage is usually lower than most leadoff hitters. Rollins can drive the ball, and would be ideal for one of the secondary RBI slots. Problem is that Cholly wants him in the leadoff spot because he is also the team's best basestealer. Victorino is fast but seems to be an idiot on the basepaths.
One thing that I have noticed about Rollins: For a guy that is as fast as him, I have never seen a speedster ground into so many double plays.
It's amazing that a guy like Victorino has never honed his base-stealing potential. The guy is flat-out blazing fast, yet you're right, he runs like a retard.
That pretty much sums up the Phillies... all the talent in the world but a substantial lack of knowledge of how to harness it.
I guess that happens when your instructors in the minor leagues suck gigantic amounts of ass.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 05, 2007, 09:27:38 AM
Actually, the main thing with Rollins is that he doesn't walk enough, so his on base percentage is usually lower than most leadoff hitters. Rollins can drive the ball, and would be ideal for one of the secondary RBI slots.
Bingo.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 05, 2007, 09:27:38 AM
One thing that I have noticed about Rollins: For a guy that is as fast as him, I have never seen a speedster ground into so many double plays.
Some of that (not all, but some) may be due to the fact that when he's at bat, you're typically looking at the 7-9 hitters being on base. Not a lot of speed there when it comes to getting from first to 2nd and being able to effectively take out the 2nd basemen on the the throw to first.
And maybe one of you dorks might actually pay attention to something like this, but how often does Cholly have them execute a hit and run if there are runner(s) on base with Rollins at the plate?
Sarge has a point about the guys being OB ahead of him the 7-8-9's all have lead in their asses. Hell, everyone on that team except Rollins, Utley, Victorino and Rowand (and Bourn when hes in there) are slow as shtein.
Speaking of which, what will it take to get a 3B coach who knows what the farg hes doing? Bill Dancy - crap. This new guy Steve Smith, even crappier. Great job sending Howard last night.
And onto Howard - he's hitting a robust .191 now. Beyoootiful.
As for Rollins; he's hitting .313 and his OBP is at .371 (30 points ahead of his career best so far) and his OPS is over a thousand. He puts the ball into play and gets hits. Get on base; thats the objective regardless of how he does it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2007, 11:12:08 AM
Speaking of which, what will it take to get a 3B coach who knows what the farg hes doing? Bill Dancy - crap. This new guy Steve Smith, even crappier. Great job sending Howard last night.
That's no way to talk about the Phillies next manager, Jay.
I'm holding out hope for the return of Nick Leyva. Or Lou Brown.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2007, 11:12:08 AM
And onto Howard - he's hitting a robust .191 now. Beyoootiful.
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Ruiz is actually pretty fast.
Howard not starting again today. Manuel just doesn't get it. Well, he never did.
Hitting .200 + facing a lefty starter
Today's game will be televised in Guam. Guam!
The other options are Wes Helms and Abraham Nunez. Even though Howard is playing ass, he's still a better option than either of those losers. He should be moved down in the order, probably to 6th or 7th.
Pavano out for the season, Fox reporting the Yankess might be interested in Lieber or Garcia.
Farnsworth or Proctor better be coming back in any deal they make
Vic RF
Rowand CF
Rollins SS
Utley 2B
Burrell LF
Helms 1B
Nunez 3B
Barajas C
Lieber P
Quote from: SunMo on May 05, 2007, 03:41:59 PM
Farnsworth or Proctor better be coming back in any deal they make
Neither has been very good this season but sadly they're better than what we have.
Garcia is better than any starter we have in the minors. But if he can bring in significant bullpen help, it would do wonders.
the Giants are wearing jerseys that say 'Gigantes' on them, I guess that's for Cinco de Mayo
Quote from: SunMo on May 05, 2007, 04:10:51 PM
the Giants are wearing jerseys that say 'Gigantes' on them, I guess that's for Cinco de Mayo
waiting for Jimmy Buffet to make an appearance.
Bonds hit a first pitch roid ball to deep center. 1-1
744 - farg him
stepped outside for a minute and missed it - good. farging freak.
as much as I can't stand Bonds, it is hillarious when he hits a home run and Duane Kiper who is part of the Giants broadcast team, goes nuts. Kiper is doing the game on FOX TV today. Up until last year the local ESPN Radio affliate used to carry the Gigantes games.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2007, 11:22:31 AM
I'm holding out hope for the return of Nick Leyva. Or Lou Brown.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
Manuel with another genius move
BANG!
9-4
Howard not starting again today. Manuel just doesn't get it. Well, he never did.
howard shouldnt start ever again
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 05, 2007, 08:42:29 PM
Howard not starting again today. Manuel just doesn't get it. Well, he never did.
howard shouldnt start ever again
Hyperbole much?
Who brings in Rosario, Castro and Hernandez in a 1 run game? Idiot.
Good thing I'm moving back to KC in a couple of months........just in time to be a Royals fan so I can tell all of you how good you've got it.
Hyperbole much?
of course...but choke dog is awful...a while back i called him the black adam dunn....now im wondering if hes even that
One bad month and he's now awful. Hey fargwad, he won the MVP and Rookie of the Year in back to back years. He dominated A, AA and AAA. He's looked terrible now, but you figure with his track record, he'll eventually start hitting the ball. Players normally don't go from franchise players to borderline major league players in one offseason. Get it out of the way and put your Skins gear on, wannabe gangster.
CRY!!
and then talk to me in september
Why do you want the team you supposedly root for to fail?
Because he want's full scale, top to bottom changes. I struggle with the same goddamned thing year after year with the Eagles. In order for JJ and Andy Reid to get the boot they have to fail. It isn't rocket science.
It would take multiple years of failure to get the Eagles to fire Reid. Lurie is in love with him.
The Phillies problem lies in the ownership. And they're not selling the team. So you might as well suck it up and root for them.
No.
no one who doesn't root for Philadelphia teams can understand how you can hate the team you love. i struggle with it daily.
What am I bitter about again?
No Bonds tonight, and the Giants' #1 prospect is making his debut. He's under 6' and throws 100 MPH
the Phillies with either go 12 runs on 20 hits or 0 runs on 2 hits
either way, I'll be watching the Sopranos at 9
Quote from: SunMo on May 06, 2007, 07:08:44 PM
the Phillies with either go 12 runs on 20 hits or 0 runs on 2 hits
either way, I'll be watching the Sopranos at 9
A real fan would watch every pitch.
I'll be in bed by 10:30.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 06, 2007, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 06, 2007, 06:42:21 PM
What am I bitter about again?
Everything?
Maybe, but I don't see how that relates to this discussion. I'm not bitter about the Phillies at all.
Anyone who thinks failure will force this ownership into changing is stupid. They do not give a shtein. Didya miss the 80's and 90's?
They'll probably be shut out tonight. First time facing pitchers = nothing for them. Hamels will probably go the full 9 and only give up 1ER and lose.
Sopranos @ 9 for me too.
Shane-o has been a beast this weekend.
2-run HR to start the game
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Phillies right-hander Freddy Garcia was injured Sunday night when he ran into an equipment cart that had stopped along the warning track in San Francisco's ballpark.
Garcia bruised his left leg in the collision, raising question as to whether he will be able to make his scheduled start Monday night in the opener of a three-game series at Arizona. Garcia, who was running to try to catch a fly ball, toppled onto the cart used by the grounds crew and was clearly in pain. He was quickly carted off the field on the vehicle.
"I'm not upset. I'm just kind of curious why it was out there during our batting practice," Philadelphia general manager Pat Gillick said in the clubhouse, before his club concluded a four-game series against the Giants. "He has a contusion on his leg. They have him iced down. There's no fracture of any kind. We'll all have to wait."
Gillick said the Phillies might know more later Sunday but perhaps not until Monday.
"This is the kind of thing that could get sore and stiffen up overnight, so we have to keep tabs on that," Gillick said.
If Garcia is not able to go, Gillick said it would be up to manager Charlie Manuel and pitching coach Rich Dubee to select a starter.
Garcia, who turns 31 next month, is 1-2 with a 6.05 ERA in four starts this year, his first with the Phillies after playing his first eight big league seasons in the American League with the Seattle Mariners and Chicago White Sox.
He must have been hitting the tequilla vicente style.
Nice to see the offense working tonight. Let's see if the pitching can hold up.
Bourn into run for Burrell. Meanwhile, BillyBeane cries a little.
And Bourne swipes 2nd and then 3rd on consecutive pitches.
farging fast.
Come on, human error machine - get this run in.
look at that Bourn again run
Holy shtein - Bourn beats it at the plate!!
8-5 Phils
11 steals so far in this series - Phils lead the majors. Davey Lopes gets credit for that. And Charlie too for letting them run and not playing for the long ball all the time. Although he still doesn't go small ball enough for my liking. VORP!
Homerun for Howard tonight. Choke dog.
You should probably wait until he's batting over .205 to talk about how awesome he is.
.202 is close enough. Howard rulz!
He talked to Barry. HGH, flaxseed oils and anabolic roids are on the way!
:-D ESPN just had a don't-do-roids public service ad on.
Phils win.
On to Arizona. Must sweep.
No Webb
No Livan Hernandez
Crappy Randy Johnson on Wednesday
Hey, they have a shot at 2 of 3... :-\
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2007, 11:21:13 PM
Must sweep.
Or what?
P.S.
QuotePhillies 3B Wes Helms had two errors.
Go Helms.
There is no must anything. It's May.
With Garcia fat lazy ass questionable for tomorrow, who gets the call if he cant pitch 5 innings and barely keep them in the game?
Has anyone figured out why the farg there was a cart on the field during BP for the Phillies? ::)
Homerun for Howard tonight. Choke dog.
never said he wouldnt hit a homer again...i said hes the black adam dunn....dunn!
Supposedly Howard has had a sore leg since March 1 but won't go on the DL
If true, that's stupid.
'A sore leg.' farging hell. Rub some dirt on it, you big farging baby.
Quote from: MDS on May 07, 2007, 02:58:57 AM
There is no must anything. It's May.
With Garcia fat lazy ass questionable for tomorrow, who gets the call if he cant pitch 5 innings and barely keep them in the game?
Probably Clay Condrey
id have sore legs too if i had a 400 lb torso sitting on them....oh wait
QuoteTo add insult to injury, Garcia had to be carted to the visitors' dugout by the same cart that caused the injury. He hopped down the dugout steps, avoiding putting pressure on his left leg.
It shouldn't have but that made me laugh a little.
I also laughed at the voodoo thing at the beginning of the column. If I were a free agent, there'd be no way in the world I'd ever sign with the Phillies. Too much bad mojo going on there...
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2007, 11:36:12 AM
id have sore legs too if i had a 400 lb torso sitting on them....oh wait
I thought you slimmed down for the summer with your super soup and bananas diet?
im less fat
I just watched the sequence where Bourn stole second, third, and essentially home plate.
Amazing speed.
question: if the phillies have polanco and leland instead of helms and manuel are they in the playoffs this year?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 07, 2007, 04:35:04 PM
question: if the phillies have polanco and leland instead of helms and manuel are they in the playoffs this year?
They'd probably be in the playoffs 2 years running coming into this season. With either/or Polanco/Leyland.
The manager of this team doesn't matter.
But it would be great to have Polanco at 3rd. He should have been left there and Bell released.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 07, 2007, 04:13:20 PM
I just watched the sequence where Bourn stole second, third, and essentially home plate.
Amazing speed.
Too bad he can't hit for ish...
When Bourn's up to bat I feel like I'm watching a little league game.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 07, 2007, 06:39:09 PM
When the Phillies play I feel like I'm watching a little league game.
Well that goes without saying
Then why'd I have to say it?
The Black Adam Dunn sits again versus a lefty. Igy would celebrate if he could get up.
1-0 Snakes
Remember... the Phillies "must sweep" this series. If not, season over. In fact, I'm sure Phreak will start the 2007-2008 Phillies offseason thread early next morning if the Phillies lose this game.
Murder yourself.
I should have said 2/3 is a must because I wanted to see them go at least 5-5 on the trip. But the sweep would put them at .500.
Heck, I'll start it now. Season's over. They're pissing me off again.
:D
Battled back to make it 2-2 and Alf is about to blow it again :boom
Good thing CSN hasn't worked. It's just a black screen. Holla.
OMGHELMSWITHA2OUTDOUBLE
3-3
Battled back twice, so Manuel puts in Frankie Rosario. Idiot.
4-3 D'Bags win
Awful.
I laugh every time there's a pitching change and every one of our relievers has a 6.50 ERA, on the flipside when the other team brings in their guys they usually have a 1.50 ERA.
Instead of trying to get Soriano, signing Helms, signing Eaton, Gillick should have been adding to the bullpen. The 'there was no help available' line is a sorry excuse.
I laugh every time there's a pitching change and every one of our relievers has a 6.50 ERA, on the flipside when the other team brings in their guys they usually have a 1.50 ERA.
Instead of trying to get Soriano, signing Helms, signing Eaton, Gillick should have been adding to the bullpen. The 'there was no help available' line is a sorry excuse.
Could you repeat that?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2007, 10:24:30 PM
Murder yourself.
I should have said 2/3 is a must because I wanted to see them go at least 5-5 on the trip. But the sweep would put them at .500.
Ok, so if they lose either of the next two... season over. Got it.
Correct.
I'm going to call it right now then, considering Eaton's pitching.
first thing i see upon turining on the phils game...a stat showing adam eaton has given up 21 runs in his last 21 innings
Eric Byrnes 473 ft :-D
Eaton's pitching a decent game, shame since the bullpen will blow it or we'll continue to not hit.
Dobbs
Eaton is never good enough, even when he's kind of good.
2 runs through 6 is good regardless of who you are.
Utley just knocked the shtein out of one. 2-2
Eaton strikes again.
3 over 7 isn't bad either
Great job Dubee
Another loss...bums
Randy Johnson for the sweep
Once again the offense is nonexistant. farging losers
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 03:39:35 AM
Once again the offense is nonexistant. farging losers
Season over, right?
Once again the offense is nonexistant
thats cause utley and rollins is it
choke dog stinks
burrell is an abortion
rowand is average at best
where is the offense supposed to come from?
if it wasnt for the pop that wes helms adds to the lineup theyd be in real big trouble
Come on now IGY, you specifically said this offseason that you did not want the Phillies to sign Soriano because they didn't need anymore offense.
not really
i said they scored enough runs but the real reason i didnt want soriano was because his defense is pathetic and i said this team will never win with the defense it has...i also said they needed a corner outfielder who could field his position and hit 285 with 20 homers and 80 rbi and doesnt strikeout a lot...not a defensive hack who hits 40 homers and 120 rbi and 150 plus strikeouts
Fair enough, but I would still like his bat in the 5 hole.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2007, 08:04:27 AM
if it wasnt for the pop that wes helms adds to the lineup theyd be in real big trouble
nm
Fair enough, but I would still like his bat in the 5 hole.
the guy i really wanted was aramis ramirez
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 09, 2007, 07:13:07 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 03:39:35 AM
Once again the offense is nonexistant. farging losers
Season over, right?
It ain't looking good. This team is a buncha cockteases. Win 5-8 in a row a few times each year and then shtein the bed. They have pretty much ruined my summer. And it ain't even summer yet.
Someone crank up the TC countdown. Oh, wait - 78 days.
MiniCamp is FRIDAY :crazy
Quote from: NGM on May 09, 2007, 08:57:18 AM
Fair enough, but I would still like his bat in the 5 hole.
There's a really generic joke in here somewhere.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 09, 2007, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: NGM on May 09, 2007, 08:57:18 AM
Fair enough, but I would still like his bat in the 5 hole.
There's a really generic joke in here somewhere.
True, but all you bums missed the obvious pole vault jokes in the hottest athlete thread. I was so disheartened by this turn of events, I couldn't relieve myself of the pressure said pole vaulter caused.
Quote from: NGM on May 09, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
I couldn't relieve myself of the pressure said pole vaulter caused.
There's another one in there somewhere too.
Any chance we can talk about that pole vaulter in this thread too? I mean, she's far more interesting than the Phillies' inevitably disappointing season anyway, right?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 09, 2007, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: NGM on May 09, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
I couldn't relieve myself of the pressure said pole vaulter caused.
There's another one in there somewhere too.
Damnit, I suck at this game.
phillies stat of the day....and when looking at this keep in mind that aaron rowand has had a blistering start
ryan howard has more strikeouts than wes helms pat burrell AND aaron rowand have RBI combined
think about that
Why are you so obsessed with Howard? He's not killing their payroll.
i wasnt speaking on choke dog at all....it was a reflection of how bad their lineup is
You focus your hatred on Howard, who aside from a pinch hit vs. SF hasn't played in 3 games. He's not killing our payroll, we didn't have to give up any value for him, so the hatred is unjustified. He's gonna turn it around, not to the tune of 58 HRs, but I still think he'll get on a hot streak and hit 40.
As far as our offense goes, they haven't been great, but they're still 5th in the NL (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?statType=batting&group=8) which isn't that bad.
He's gonna turn it around, not to the tune of 58 HRs, but I still think he'll get on a hot streak and hit 40.
hmmm 40?...weird that that is exactly around what i said hed hit...the black adam dunn....remember
5th in the NL which isn't that bad
lets leave out names this time so we dont get unfocused
the phils first baseman has more strikeouts than the 3B LF and CF has RBI combined
the lineup is fraudulent....it stinks...its a mirage...dont be fooled
You said 30-35 HRs, I wrote it down somewhere.
So they were 2nd in the NL last season and 5th this season but they're fraudulent? The O has played poorly lately but that's not the root of the problem here.
The way the bullpen is pitching the Phillies have to score at least 5-6 runs per game to have a chance most nights.
The offense is capable of that but asking a lineup to produce that much night in and night out is ridiculous. That's why the Phillies have struggled to win games. They're getting killed by that shteinbag bunch of losers and the fault rests with Gillick and the front office for not addressing it during the offseason. They could have taken Garcia's 10 million dollar salary and shored up the bullpen but they chose not to.
And now they're putrid.
Who'da thunk it?
You said 30-35 HRs, I wrote it down somewhere
take a picture of it too...cause thats what its gonna be
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
You said 30-35 HRs, I wrote it down somewhere.
That's pathetic.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 09, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
You said 30-35 HRs, I wrote it down somewhere.
That's pathetic.
What's really pathetic is that you both believe me. My poker face is no joke.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 09, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
You said 30-35 HRs, I wrote it down somewhere.
That's pathetic.
As pathetic as taking pictures of t-shirts bought on sale and posting them?
I think not.
oh snap
what about wearing them?
Quote from: Wingspan on May 09, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 09, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
You said 30-35 HRs, I wrote it down somewhere.
That's pathetic.
As pathetic as taking pictures of t-shirts bought on sale and posting them?
I think not.
Yes. Worse. Obviously.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 09, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 09, 2007, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2007, 12:50:49 PM
You said 30-35 HRs, I wrote it down somewhere.
That's pathetic.
As pathetic as taking pictures of t-shirts bought on sale and posting them?
I think not.
What if you take a picture of a t-shirt and then put that pic on a t-shirt and wear it? Would that not reek of awesomeness?
High five!
Randy Johnson struck out the first 6 batters he's faced :-D
unit is on my fantasy squad what!!!
phreak is goin down this week
1-0 D'Bags. Get the brooms!
Howard with a ph grand slam on the first pitch!
Ryan Howard will a little grand slam to take the lead. He sucks.
1st pitch pinch hit Grand Slam Ryan Howard!
choke dog with no choke
absolutely screws the gem unit was throwing and at the same time my fantasy team
dog doesnt do shtein all year and then burns me
That's because you've been talking ish about him. He hates you.
seriously life hates me
I heart you though, so you've got that going for you.
Moyer's only at 84 pitches now with 2 out in the 7th. Noice!
I heart you though, so you've got that going for you.
thats my sustenance.....without it....actually i dont even want to think like that
I'm surprised how long Rowand has kept up his production. He's still swinging a hot bat.
Tack on 2 more runs in the 8th for some insurance. Nice.
Time for my boy to nail down a 2 inning save.
IGY got the double whammy. His boy choke dog comes up big and at the same time kills Unit's solid start after saying I'm goin' down in fantasy this week.
Chico's Bail Bonds what?!?!?
Couple of nice plays by Rollins in the 8th.
Piling on now...HR Victorino.
9-3 bums
Ok, they're just wasting hits and runs now.
someone just picked up ryan franklin in our fantasy league....he would be the phillies best reliever this year
Everyday when I look at the boxscores in the paper and see that dude and his 1.20 ERA I cry a little bit.
Why is it when players are here, they suck. As soon as they roll out, they are good.
Franklin was an atrocity last year. I guess pitching in baseball heaven (good foresight on naming STL heaven, Rolen) makes it all better.
So now that the Phils have hit themselves out of a save situation, does Cholly stay with Myers in the 9th?
Apparently, the answer is yes.
I just heard one of the Arizona FSN commentators offer up some brilliant baseball insight while talking about Randy Johnson:
"You know when he starts hitting batters and walking batters that he's starting to lose his control."
Amazing.
Its still a save situation, for Myers anyway.
Everyday when I look at the boxscores in the paper and see that dude and his 1.20 ERA I cry a little bit.
Why is it when players are here, they suck. As soon as they roll out, they are good.
it really is unbelieveable isnt it
sarge they are off tomorrow so myers going two isnt an issue....the question is does charlie know they are off tomorrow
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2007, 09:27:19 PM
sarge they are off tomorrow so myers going two isnt an issue....the question is does charlie know they are off tomorrow
I wasn't asking the question because I didn't feel that Myers should be out there. I was wondering if Cholly would actually trust Madsen or some other pitcher of his ilk to hold a 6 run lead.
BillyBeaneBurrell update;
Since April 28th (when he was hitting .304) Patricia is a robust 2-31 to drop him down to .237.
Patty B, ladies and gentleman.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 09, 2007, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2007, 09:27:19 PM
sarge they are off tomorrow so myers going two isnt an issue....the question is does charlie know they are off tomorrow
I wasn't asking the question because I didn't feel that Myers should be out there. I was wondering if Cholly would actually trust Madsen or some other pitcher of his ilk to hold a 6 run lead.
Madson is on the DL.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
BillyBeaneBurrell update;
Since April 28th (when he was hitting .304) Patricia is a robust 2-31 to drop him down to .237.
Patty B, ladies and gentleman.
Holy hell, that's PAThetic.
haha, I suck.
FYI
pretty sure we have an extra ticket for sundays phils game if anyone wants it ($20)
remember its mothers day which is why the ticket is available in the first place
Utley:
Quote"...you're thinking about your mom when you use that bat..."
:sly
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
BillyBeaneBurrell update;
Since April 28th (when he was hitting .304) Patricia is a robust 2-31 to drop him down to .237.
Patty B, ladies and gentleman.
This is nothing unexpected, he is Pat Burrell he does this. His power is what has been missing .
He is getting up there and with all the injuries he has had I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is the beginning of the end for him.
I think an OPS around .850 is still reasonable.
Still the reasons that most of you didn't like him were retarded.
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 09, 2007, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
BillyBeaneBurrell update;
Since April 28th (when he was hitting .304) Patricia is a robust 2-31 to drop him down to .237.
Patty B, ladies and gentleman.
This is nothing unexpected, he is Pat Burrell he does this. His power is what has been missing .
He is getting up there and with all the injuries he has had I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is the beginning of the end for him.
I think an OPS around .850 is still reasonable.
Still the reasons that most of you didn't like him were retarded.
So you readily admit that him hitting .237 is expected of him? And you defended him why?
OPS is misleading because it takes his walks into account. Walks are normally great to look at, but not in this case because he should have more emphasis on the S in the OPS.
Stop using his injuries. He is healthy this year, no?
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 09, 2007, 09:45:08 PM
He is getting up there and with all the injuries he has had I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is the beginning of the end for him.
The beginning of the end for Burrell started circa 2002.
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 09, 2007, 09:45:08 PM
Still the reasons that most of you didn't like him were retarded.
Aaron Rowand says yo
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 09, 2007, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
BillyBeaneBurrell update;
Since April 28th (when he was hitting .304) Patricia is a robust 2-31 to drop him down to .237.
Patty B, ladies and gentleman.
This is nothing unexpected, he is Pat Burrell he does this. His power is what has been missing .
He is getting up there and with all the injuries he has had I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is the beginning of the end for him.
I think an OPS around .850 is still reasonable.
Still the reasons that most of you didn't like him were retarded.
So you readily admit that him hitting .237 is expected of him? And you defended him why?
OPS is misleading because it takes his walks into account. Walks are normally great to look at, but not in this case because he should have more emphasis on the S in the OPS.
Stop using his injuries. He is healthy this year, no?
His streakiness is expected. In a week or two I'd bet that it will be above .260 again.
Umm, no. OBP is at least slightly more important than SLG every where in the lineup.
O yea he is, but the guy has a lot of recurring injuries and the cards are stacked against him more so than any other player to rebound from a poor start. He usually starts off excellent the first 2 or 3 months which makes up for it when he tails off at the end of the year when he starts breaking down.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 09, 2007, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 09, 2007, 09:45:08 PM
Still the reasons that most of you didn't like him were retarded.
Aaron Rowand says yo
Tell him I said he has been ridiculously lucky.
LOL. Defending Burrell at this point is friggen ridiculous even for you, quick draw.
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 09, 2007, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: Billy Beane on May 09, 2007, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
BillyBeaneBurrell update;
Since April 28th (when he was hitting .304) Patricia is a robust 2-31 to drop him down to .237.
Patty B, ladies and gentleman.
This is nothing unexpected, he is Pat Burrell he does this. His power is what has been missing .
He is getting up there and with all the injuries he has had I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is the beginning of the end for him.
I think an OPS around .850 is still reasonable.
Still the reasons that most of you didn't like him were retarded.
So you readily admit that him hitting .237 is expected of him? And you defended him why?
OPS is misleading because it takes his walks into account. Walks are normally great to look at, but not in this case because he should have more emphasis on the S in the OPS.
Stop using his injuries. He is healthy this year, no?
His streakiness is expected. In a week or two I'd bet that it will be above .260 again.
Umm, no. OBP is at least slightly more important than SLG every where in the lineup.
O yea he is, but the guy has a lot of recurring injuries and the cards are stacked against him more so than any other player to rebound from a poor start. He usually starts off excellent the first 2 or 3 months which makes up for it when he tails off at the end of the year when he starts breaking down.
SLG = important for a $50M POWER HITTER
OBP = important for the table-setters
Its great when a power hitter draws his walks AS LONG AS he is also doing his job, which is driving in runs when not walking. Peppermint Patty is not doing that.
Well we disagree bucko.
The way I look at baseball the things that are the most important are the most important no matter what role the team has defined for you or what your contract is.
So I guess it's cool if a QB never completes a pass just as long as he doesn't throw any interceptions, right?
Except the fact that football is in no way like baseball, yes exactly like that.
I'm suprised you can tell the difference.
A win, yay! fargers.
BillyBeane is a joke.
Lieber cut a finger on his pitching hand and will be pushed back two days.
King Cole tomorrow
Freddy Garcia Saturday
Leiber Sunday
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2007, 08:37:43 PM
choke dog with no choke
absolutely screws the gem unit was throwing and at the same time my fantasy team
dog doesnt do shtein all year and then burns me
I don't want to hear it. Matt Belisle pitched 7 innings, struck out 7, had a 0.00 era, and got a loss.
i actually extended my lead on phreak after yesterday
HEAR THAT!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2007, 09:24:00 PM
Franklin was an atrocity last year. I guess pitching in baseball heaven (good foresight on naming STL heaven, Rolen) makes it all better.
He has more opportunities now that Hancock is headless.
QuoteJim Salisbury | Rumblings Upstairs
By Jim Salisbury
Inquirer Columnist
Pat Gillick sounded a lot like Larry Bowa yesterday, only with a little more polish.
In June 2001, during his second season as the Phillies' manager, Bowa caused a memorable firestorm by saying "the middle of the lineup is killing us."
Gillick, the Phillies' second-year general manager, wasn't as dramatic, but he left little doubt where he believes the root of his team's early-season inconsistency lies.
"To be frank, the cause right now is the middle of the lineup," he said. "Not everybody is doing their job, or playing to their potential, or doing what has to be done on a daily basis.
"The culprit in our situation is the middle of the lineup and the inconsistency in our bullpen."
It was good to hear Gillick make a footnote of the bullpen because he basically assembled the unit, in which manager Charlie Manuel, with an exception or two, clearly has such little faith.
Witness Manuel's decision to let starter Adam Eaton hit with two outs and two on in the seventh inning of a tie game Tuesday night in Arizona. A manager who trusts his bullpen uses a pinch-hitter there - maybe even last season's National League most valuable player.
Manuel did use sore-legged Ryan Howard as a pinch-hitter Wednesday, and Howard delivered a go-ahead grand slam as the Phils beat Arizona to inch their record to 15-19 as they headed home for 10 games starting tonight.
The Phillies are a confounding, feast-or-famine team, and have been for several years. Entering yesterday, they were first in the league in on-base percentage (.358) and third in runs (169). Yet they had stranded 290 runners, by far the most in the league.
Gillick said that if his team could start delivering those runs, it would take pressure off the bullpen, which ranked 13th in the league with a 4.27 ERA.
"The games we played in Atlanta and Arizona, for the most part, our staff pitched pretty well," he said of two recent stops where the Phils went a combined 2-4, scoring no more than three runs in each loss.
"You can't win scoring two or three runs a game," Gillick said. "You've got to score four or five runs to win. That will take the heat off your bullpen, and they'll have some margin of error to work with."
Gillick praised the offense that Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino, Chase Utley and Aaron Rowand had provided. He mentioned that Carlos Ruiz had delivered more than expected and Rod Barajas less than expected.
That left three players unaccounted for - Howard, Pat Burrell and Wes Helms.
"We need productivity from the middle of our order," Gillick said. "What do we have, one home run between Burrell and Helms? Seven total from the three guys? That doesn't cut it."
Howard hit .313 with 58 homers last season. This season, he is hitting .204 with six homers. Burrell, the No. 5 hitter, is hitting .237 and slugging just .330. He has just one homer and 11 RBIs, a stunningly low total given the on-base percentages of some of those hitting ahead of him. Helms, a Gillick recruit and the frequent No. 6 hitter, is batting .290 but has no homers to go with 11 RBIs.
While Gillick pointed the finger at the middle of the lineup - and justifiably so - some fans have begun to point it at him. Despite the problems in the middle of the lineup, Gillick's bullpen could ultimately be this team's Achilles' heel.
Gillick did not sufficiently upgrade the unit in the off-season. The team backed out of a deal with Joe Borowski, who is closing for Cleveland, because of concerns about his shoulder, and acquired two starters, Freddy Garcia and Adam Eaton, who have been slow to impress. Meanwhile, division rival Atlanta landed two quality bullpen arms in Mike Gonzalez (from Pittsburgh for Adam LaRoche) and Rafael Soriano (from Seattle for Horacio Ramirez).
Gillick said he was aware that he was taking heat from the public - "it goes with the territory" - and rated his performance as "average." He sounded a little defensive when asked about his unsuccessful efforts to land quality bullpen help in the off-season.
"Borowski flunked his physical," Gillick said. "That's not my fault. If the medical people say don't do it, there's nothing we can do. People say, 'Fix the bullpen,' but I don't have a 32-homer guy like LaRoche that's going to get me Gonzalez."
The Phils did make Jon Lieber available this winter, but there was little interest. Now he's in the rotation, having taken the place of Brett Myers, who, out of necessity, is in the bullpen.
Gillick didn't sound optimistic about upgrading the bullpen any time soon.
"Everyone is trying to fix one part of their pitching staff," he said. "The teams that have established guys are not going to weaken their bullpens. You need to hit on something internally or hit on an unexpected source externally. Teams just don't have enough in reserve" to trade relievers.
So what you see is what you get as the Phils open the long homestand.
"We're only 34 games in," Gillick said. "I certainly think our pitching staff has the potential to put together 10 good starts in a row, 10 acceptable starts that will keep us in games. If we do that and our offense picks up, I think we'll get it going."
If Howard and Burrell were hitting with power at all conistently, the bullpen wouldn't be as much of a scapegoat.
But... they all suck.
If Howard and Burrell were hitting with power at all conistently, the bullpen wouldn't be as much of a scapegoat.
yup
the starting pitching last year the bullpen this year both big problems...but the number one problem with this team and it has been for a while now is the highly flawed lineup
Soriano just belted one. 1-0
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 11, 2007, 07:40:14 PM
Soriano just belted one. 1-0
So the phils are up 1-0?
Oh yeah...that's right STAND PAT!
I've got Hill, Cole and Soriano on my fantasy team. Both pitchers have already given me close to 10 combined k's. Noice!
the bank is ridiculous...soriano poked that ball and it went 10 rows deep
Aramis Ramirez gone. 2-0
Losers.
Rich Hill has got a rediculously sick curve ball.
Patricia hit a monster 3r homer. 3-2 bums.
Pat Burrell gone - 3 run shot. Bums up 3-2.
o_rly?
Patti hit that ball REAL hard.
Patricia does it again. 2r homer. 5-2 bums.
And I benched him in my fantasy league tonight thinking that Hill would own him. :boom
We should consider busting Billy Bob Beane's balls in this piece more often. Every time we make fun of him, one of the players he worships does something great.
:-D
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 11, 2007, 08:44:23 PM
Patricia does it again. 2r homer. 5-2 bums.
And I benched him in my fantasy league tonight thinking that Hill would own him. :boom
Yep. Me too. :-\
Burrell absolutely CRUSHED that ball too. He's 3-3 tonight with 2 hr and 5 rbi and has probably raised his average back above .260.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 11, 2007, 08:46:47 PM
We should consider busting Billy Bob Beane's balls in this piece more often. Every time we make fun of him, one of the players he worships does something great.
:-D
We should be busting his balls more often because he's an idiot and deserves it. Regardless of the outcome.
Burrell = MVP. Most VORPuble Player
someone needs to make a vorp rly owl
:-D
Nice job by Chase.
And Burrell flies out. What a farging choker. ;D
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 11, 2007, 08:52:52 PM
someone needs to make a vorp rly owl
(http://www.boomspeed.com/superpsn/burrellrly.jpg)
ha
how did you do that
Not bad but you have to chop the owl face on it wearing a Phillies hat.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 11, 2007, 09:14:41 PM
Not bad but you have to chop the owl face on it wearing a Phillies hat.
I'd thought of doing that but didn't feel like putting in the effort.
Irony alert.
ha! All I had to do with the Burrell pic was add the letters. Took about 15 seconds.
Here's the owl. This one took about 30 seconds as I had to remove the o_rly? from it. I'm exhausted.
(http://www.boomspeed.com/superpsn/orly.jpg)
LOLOLOLOLerskates!
That's going to the EMB as we speak. I'll imageshack it first, though.
I want royalties.
Magic Beanes?
Anything really.
Phils win! Break out the champale!
Octulpo finishes off the game. Bums win 7-2.
You're all dorks. Go team!
I want royalties
i got the patent on that son...youll get back production costs...if youre lucky
My roommate is a valet down in Center City, he said Ry Howard came by tonight in his pimped out Escalade with 2 honeys. Tipped the guy a mere $5, but he only stayed for a few minutes.
Well shtein...he's only making $900K from Monty and the boys so I can understand only dropping $5 on a tip.
Burrell was on tonight. IT was nice to see him respond to the Gillick and Green criticism by smashing two bombs.
Tomorrow? Back to jutting his ass out on strike 3 looking
$5 is a lot to tip a valet attendant. Say the guy retrieves 5 cars an hour. If he's making $5/car, that's $25 bucks an hour.
Not bad work if you can find it.
my brother pulls in about 300 cash every night doing valet. It sucks he spends his friday/saturday nights but he can make more in a weekend than what his friends can full time.
FOX dropped two Phillies games in June, leaving us with no TV coverage unless the games are moved out of FOX's exclusive window...
June 16 vs Detroit
June 23 at St. Louis
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 12, 2007, 03:07:32 PM
FOX dropped two Phillies games in June, leaving us with no TV coverage unless the games are moved out of FOX's exclusive window...
June 16 vs Detroit
June 23 at St. Louis
(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/16e/d51/16ed5159-67d8-4339-b5ab-337a0fedfa01.medium)
Soriano jogged around third base thinking he would score easily. Victorino guns it home and Ruiz with a great block to nail him. :-D
I guess we can say he pulled an Abreu. Bahaha lazy Mexican.
Holy shtein :o :o :o
Charlie called for, and they properly executed, a SQUEEEEEZE!
Apparently the Phillies bullpen sucks. Who knew?
Another lead another piece of garbage performance by the bullpen.
Even the hacks at Fox are talking about it. McCarver said how can you go without a reliable set up man and a closer and expect to contend?!
No shtein, Tim. The only morons who don't understand that evidently run the Phillies.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO >:(
Gas Can Geary at it again.
Geary sucks
Good Lord. I leave the apt for 20 minutes and come back to this shtein. Losers.
GO RAIN!
McCarver on Soriano:
"He's got a body harder than high school algebra".
:-D :puke
I heard that comment too.
Good God.
:-D
(http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_640x480c/SIR/inmaSIRPA_.gif)
Not looking good. shtein's socked in from west of Harrisburg to Philly...
That dood Jeannie Zelasko said they are starting shortly after 7pm.
gearys their best reliever
beyond sickening
Igy's fat ass would be a better reliever than these bums. Sickening.
Good news; Vic hosed his 2nd at the plate today
Bad news; Cubs scored 2 more to take the lead
5-1 to 7-5 in an inning.
Yay bullpen!!!
farging shteinbag losers
i love victorino. i love my shane jersey i am wearing right now. i love hawaii.
i farging hate this bullpen.
doing my best hawaiian rain dance from 6,000 miles away folkes. must put a stop to this. the game that is.
igy mea culpa time
to sun and possibly pg and im sure a couple others and to the board in general...i was completely wrong about victorinos arm...i doubted how good it was stating that it was just ok...its still not francouer or vlad but its damn good and i completely mis judged it
Bullpen pitchers should act like bullpen pitchers.
This 3B coach eats a fleshpop.
Stop!! No wait!! Go ahead Aaron!
Luckily Rowand scores on Chases double.
7-6.
ha
they tried to farg that up...they tried their best not to score
(http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/6b/5d/7b_1_sbol.JPG)
greg dobbs for mvp.
Ruiz HR!
6 two outs runs!
What happened to this team?
hitting w/ RISP
suicide squeezes
2 out runs
holy jeez.
11-7
LOL - I can't believe they scored six runs. :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 12, 2007, 07:32:25 PM
LOL - I can't believe they scored six runs. :-D
must...........have.........................oxygen.............. :o
this announcing crew is vomit inducing
sweet lou has body language like no other.....ooooo what body language
they want the cubs to be the new red sox soooooo bad
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2007, 07:36:55 PM
this announcing crew is vomit inducing
sweet lou has body language like no other.....ooooo what body language
they want the cubs to be the new red sox soooooo bad
i'm still getting over McCarver's Soriano hard body comment.
there's our new safety to replace bdawk! farging Victorino! see that catcher's head buckle?
myers stuff looks so much nastier when hes only throwing it for an inning or two
Myers looked great. They just need Flash to get healthy to be the setup man, or trade for a legit setup man.
They're still zesty.
They're still zesty
im still bringing a broom to the game tomorrow
also i have an extra ticket if youre trying to meet up down there
Are you hitting on me?
The last time the Phils executed a squeeze play was when Tom Prince squeezed in Kevin Jordan in like 2000.
Werth playing for Vic today.
Bums have 1 hit through six innings today.
:-D
Make that seven innings.
Just like that two straight hits to lead off the eight, 1st & 3rd none out, Ruiz up...
All they got out of it was a single run on a throwing error by Ramirez. Ruiz lined out to third, Victorino flied out to center (on the first pitch, of course) and Rollins lined out to left.
Sad.
Alf in to farg this up.
Happy Mother's Day, ya bums.
The bullpen does it again. Losers.
They lost because igy was there.
Castro should stay in Ottawa the rest of the year. He sucks ass.
Rollins needs a day off.
Jimmy's Mom wants to bang Sarge. She was giving him come-farg-me-eyes in the booth.
Maybe she can give her son a kick in the ass so he starts getting on base.
THe announcers on the 720am Cubs radio (fargin Ron Santo) were hapily bewildered why Charlie would bring in Castro with the bases loaded since he hasn't pitched in 8 games. :yay
That was Uncle Charlie giving Gillick the middle finger.
"Here Pat, you left me with this slop. Watch while I bring in Alfonseca until his extra digits fall off; then watch as I bring in Fidel and a little bit of Clay Condrey too"
They lost because igy was there.
real talk
im now 4-17 at the bank....its really is incredible
It is really that much of a coincidence that a black man would have bad luck at a place named after a bank? Had the Philles sold the naming rights to a swap meet or something I'm sure you'd have better experiences.
ha
i hate you sarge you little farg
Take it back.
This team farging sucks.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 13, 2007, 10:16:40 PM
It is really that much of a coincidence that a black man would have bad luck at a place named after a bank? Had the Philles sold the naming rights to a swap meet or something I'm sure you'd have better experiences.
Olde English Park?
that pitch with an 0-2 count ??? :boom
phillies have five hits in the last 15 innings
in all fairness, it has been against Dave Bush and Ted Lilly
highlight of the game so far was when wheels was telling sarge that he'd never been to Hawaii.
Wheels, you can stay with Don Ho anytime you want.
brewers 21-0 when leading after 7 innings!
6-5! Go bums!
6-6! this is classic.
two huge late inning rallies in three days...who is this team
:o What a play!!!
Watching 24 during all of this. Wow. Nice win?
Quote from: MDS on May 14, 2007, 10:04:24 PM
Watching 24 during all of this. Wow. Nice win?
affirmative
Great win. frickin Nunez, what a play.
Quote from: SunMo on May 14, 2007, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: MDS on May 14, 2007, 10:04:24 PM
Watching 24 during all of this. Wow. Nice win?
affirmative
no wonder the board was so quite tonight. only 4:00 PM out here so still have three hours until showtime.
Quote from: MDS on May 14, 2007, 10:04:24 PM
Watching 24 during all of this. Wow. Nice win?
24 has commercials
I was listening on the radio while driving....people were staring at me as I was screaming during the 8th inning rally.
They're still zesty.
jesus burrell is a sloth
Yeah, but he had a pretty damn good at bat though. And he got a run across the plate which is what was most important. Phils blew a chance last inning with the same situation.
It should be noted that Eaton has pitched a damn good game so far. 7 ip, 3h, 0er.
the hit n run got the run home not burrell...i guess you can say he didnt strike out which was a good thing
anyway lets home this excellent start by eaton is not wasted...hes at 88 pitches now so he def could finish this himself but minimum get it to myers
So the Brewers bring in some non roster spring training invitee to pitch the 7th.....this dude has 8 ip, has given up 18 hits and 2 walks and opponents were hitting a robust .391 against him. So what's he do? K's the side. :-D
Eaton's going in to pitch the 8th.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2007, 08:59:53 PM
the hit n run got the run home not burrell...i guess you can say he didnt strike out which was a good thing
True, had Cholly not called for the hit and run then it would have been an easy DP. But Burrell had a pretty good ab because he got in the hole 0-2 on a borderline called strike on the outside corner and showed some good discipline laying off a few pitches as Vargas was obviously trying to either paint that corner again and/or get Burrell to chase one that was out of the zone.
Eaton was just clocked at 94 mph and Nunez just made a very nice play at 3rd.
Every once in a while Eaton does this. Most of the time it's 4 over 6 or something like that. It's called being a 5th starter. I rule.
four out save myers
And Fielder just hit one out. 3-2 bums.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2007, 09:08:50 PM
four out save myers
Yup....here comes Cholly and 6 digits took a seat in the pen. Nice game by Eaton though. :yay
Manuel only trusts Myers and is willing to have his arm fall off before he uses one of those other butt pirates in a big spot. Good times.
filthy
I seriously want Gordon to come back and remain the closer just so we have something to complain about. It'll be fun.
Quote from: MDS on May 15, 2007, 09:11:06 PM
Manuel only trusts Myers and is willing to have his arm fall off before he uses one of those other butt pirates in a big spot. Good times.
Smartest thing he could do.
Myers k's Hall to end the 8th. CBP has a nice crowd tonight. Amazingly, I haven't heard any Eagles chants yet.
cause they are winning
let it be 8-1 milwaukee and they would be raining down
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2007, 09:16:54 PM
cause they are winning
let it be 8-1 milwaukee and they would be raining down
Well, duh.
Burrell had a chance to add an insurance run. Instead he pops up to first.
(http://www.boomspeed.com/superpsn/orly.jpg)
and looks what happens
this is why i say the offense is a bigger problem than the pitching
And Estrada takes the first pitch out of the park. 3-3 and Eaton gets a nd.
CBP homer, but no doubt, it was bound to happen.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2007, 09:33:15 PM
and looks what happens
this is why i say the offense is a bigger problem than the pitching
Nunez had a baserunning blunder in the 5th or 6th I think it was that really pissed me off. Easily cost them a run. And Victorino appeared to be safe at the plate last inning too.
yeah that was ridiculous...sarge called him out too and you could feel how uncomfortable wheels was...sarge basically spent a minute straight killing nunez for not scoring...and all wheels could say was "well once you do do that all you can do is make the right play and get to third quickly and stay there"
i wanted to puke
Alf up. Score or else.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2007, 09:36:35 PM
yeah that was ridiculous...sarge called him out too and you could feel how uncomfortable wheels was...sarge basically spent a minute straight killing nunez for not scoring...and all wheels could say was "well once you do do that all you can do is make the right play and get to third quickly and stay there"
i wanted to puke
Tell me about it. Like it was a "heads up" play for Nunez to limit himself to one farg up instead of two.
Way to think on your feet, Abe.
OMGCARLOSRUIZ!
RuEZ :yay
Wow, he really sucks at English.
Complete in awkward post game interview where he was mumbling something in broken english before Victorino smashed some shaving cream in his face.
guy in posluzny penn st jersey almost got the ball
Ruiiiiiiiizzzzzzzz!!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 15, 2007, 09:54:41 PM
guy in posluzny penn st jersey almost got the ball
Just like Penn State is almost a big time program?
It's not Temple. But really, what is?
(http://www.theamericanmind.com/images/springtraining2006/derickturnbow1.jpg) (http://www.80stees.com/images/products/Boober_Fraggle_Rock_doll.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 15, 2007, 10:02:10 PM
(http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2005/11/fraggle1.jpg)
Uhhhhhhhhhh........
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 15, 2007, 10:02:02 PM
It's not Temple. But really, what is?
Temple doesn't dilute themselves into thinking they're big time. They just took a stop back and are trying to compete at the MAC level. PSU thinks they're Ohio State or Michigan. They're not. They're Wisconsin.
QuoteProper Name: Prince Semien Fielder
Born: May 9, 1984
Ontario, CA
Height: 6-0
Weight: 262 lbs.
Hahahha, he's my height, weighs 85 pounds extra and plays baseball... WHAT AN ATHLETE!
it must suck to be that millionaire loser.
It will suck when he dies of a heart attack in his 50s. The least he could do is play a farging man's sport.
Nice win for the Bums. I have an excellent Tuesday night buzz going so do ruin it, any of you.
June 25th marks the 15 year anniversary of Jerome Brown's death. My how time flies.
And we're still waiting for them to "Bring it home for Jerome."
Quote from: rjs246 on May 15, 2007, 10:19:25 PM
QuoteProper Name: Prince Semien Fielder
Born: May 9, 1984
Ontario, CA
Height: 6-0
Weight: 262 lbs.
Hahahha, he's my height, weighs 85 pounds extra and plays baseball... WHAT AN ATHLETE!
Like father, like son
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1. 1210, while MUCH better than having the games on 950, sucks balls at coming outta breaks. They do this a lot - try to squeeeeeeze as much commercial time in there only to miss the first pitch or two of the inning. They did it tonight when Estrada went yard.
2. Larry Andersen called Ruiz ending it by going deep. He was like "he's gonna dial long distance here". So I get outta the truck and as soon as I walk into work I hear Harry calling looooooong drive. I was happy.
3. Derrick Turnbow is one of the ugliest sumbitches alive.
4. The fact that little Cecil is in the bigs makes me feel old. Tony Gwynn's kid too. Holy shtein I remember watching Cecil play. I remember when he hit the ball onto the roof of Tiger Stadium.
They're Wisconsin.
actually they arent even wisconsin
Probably no game tonight, which sucks because God is supposed to pitch and they are on a roll.
Storms supposed to roll in about 5ish and stay until around 10.
Doubelheader tomorrow? If I get out of this meeting in the morning in time, might head on down.
you attend sporting events like dio watches them
theres no longer a need to tell everyone how many and what games you "might go to" because we all know you dont go
Don't forget your rubbers if you go...
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Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 16, 2007, 02:18:42 PM
Don't forget your rubbers if you go...
MDS makes his top bring the rubbers.
I don't go to sporting events? IGY you IGY.
I just saw the shaving cream treatment Ruiz got from Victorino. Hysterical. NOT.
After getting thrown out twice at home and dropping an easy fly ball that scored a run, Victorino deserved an AIDS pie to the face last night.
Ass.
Its raining and pouring here in NE Philly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2007, 10:23:46 AM
Probably no game tonight, which sucks because God is supposed to pitch and they are on a roll.
Storms supposed to roll in about 5ish and stay until around 10.
I doubt they'll go that long (til 10). The radar maps don't show it being a long time. They're moving pretty fast.
They started in Lancaster about 1:30 or so and it got completely sunny right around 4:30. Hopefully its the same for Philly.
it got real ugly here, then sunny, now raining again
its friggin pouring down here and what we get normally goes up the 95 corridor...look for more in a couple hours or so
Drat.
It's always sunny in Philadelphia.
I wish it would shtein or get off the pot here.
It already got pitch black and looked like MAJOR storm...then nothing. A few sprinkles, one crash of thunder and some wind. Sun came out.
Now the sky is getting all black again. ::)
burrell is the slowest human on the friggin planet...its incredible
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2007, 08:56:42 PM
burrell is the slowest human on the friggin planet...its incredible
:-D
IGY and hyperbole go together like lamb and tuna fish
5-0 Phils. Rowand just hit a three-run homer. Of course, he was "lucky" again, right Quick Draw?
:-D
i think tonight is the night king gets his first no hitter
Six strikeouts in nine at-bats.
Jesus... :paranoid
i cant watch but you guys just Jinxed him
I now know more about Mel Allen than I ever wanted to. :P
It shut Wheels up for a full inning. I liked it.
True dat.
Cole's erfect-pay through four. Seven K's. :sly
They keep showing the same idiotic commercial for Dick's sporting goods after each half-inning.
Argh... :boom
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2007, 09:17:10 PM
i think tonight is the night king gets his first no hitter
douche.
:yay the fans booing Hart for trying to bunt :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 16, 2007, 09:38:39 PM
They keep showing the same idiotic commercial for Dick's sporting goods after each half-inning.
Argh... :boom
I take it you're watching online as well?
18 up, 18 down for Killa.
:paranoid
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 16, 2007, 09:54:32 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 16, 2007, 09:38:39 PM
They keep showing the same idiotic commercial for Dick's sporting goods after each half-inning.
Argh... :boom
I take it you're watching online as well?
Si, senor.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on May 16, 2007, 09:46:48 PM
:yay the fans booing Hart for trying to bunt :-D
Then they got on Suppan for throwing over to first to "hold" Hamels on. :-D
perfect game gone
doesnt much matter now his pitch count is to high for him to finish this game now
Hamels sucks, send him to Reading.
its actually a good thing cause it reallly would have sucked for him to have had a no hitter but had to come out because of his pitch count
igy finally tries to bring a little positivity to the board and he gets shat on.
Some farging dickhead on the EMB started a new thread announcing Cole's perfect game and just as he did it, Cole issued the walk.
i call em like i see em...i felt it tonight
if you suck you suck if youre good youre good
cole hamels is good
its gay enough when baseball players dont talk to pitchers and do other little emerald chessboard idiocies...but theres really not to many things on earth dumber than a person who thinks a message board post actually has soemthing to do with a no hitter being broken up
Hamels in to start the 8th and gets k # 11 on 3 pitches.
No one believes it had anything to do with it.
Ass.
they need to get his ass out of there...he doesnt need to be throwing a 125 pitch game
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2007, 10:32:25 PM
i call em like i see em...i felt it tonight
if you suck you suck if youre good youre good
cole hamels is good
its gay enough when baseball players dont talk to pitchers and do other little emerald chessboard idiocies...but theres really not to many things on earth dumber than a person who thinks a message board post actually has soemthing to do with a no hitter being broken up
None of what you said makes you any less of a douche though. :-D
No one believes it had anything to do with it
then why would you make that post about the emb thread starter...it wasnt a joke because its not funny...and dont say you werent actually mad about it cause you were...and the only way youd be mad is if you really believed it ruined the no hitter...thats corny.....YOU are corny
You're a fat aids stricken funhole. Now shut your face.
None of what you said makes you any less of a douche though
oh im not arguing that...but im not a douche cause my post ruined a potential no hitter...at least if youre gonna call me out do it when i deserve it...its not like theres a shortage of opportunities
You're a fat aids stricken funhole
im ok with that
as long as you realize how stupid you looked and it prevents you from making the same mistake in the future im cool
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2007, 10:40:25 PM
at least if youre gonna call me out do it when i deserve it...its not like theres a shortage of opportunities
troof
The stupid MLB player keeps cutting out on me. Anyone else?
troof
do my posts come in any other kind?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 16, 2007, 10:45:35 PM
The stupid MLB player keeps cutting out on me. Anyone else?
Not tonight but it's happened to me in the past.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2007, 10:46:01 PM
troof
do my posts come in any other kind?
They pretty much range anywhere between mildly amusing and blatantly idiotic. ;)
I switched over to IE to see if that would work. It has so far.
Fricken Mozilla... hurtinz my headz tonight.
I use IE and it still happens from time to time.
Myers breezes through the 9th. Back to .500
Game over. Nice 9th from Myers. Cholly had Geary up throwing and I threw up a little in my mouth as a result.
Excellent outing for Cole. Too bad some internet Sun Mo had to spoil it.
:-D
What's the Sun Mo filter?
Another mid-may run to .500? OHMIGOD.
Team to beat
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 16, 2007, 10:58:36 PM
What's the Sun Mo filter?
'Homosexual' with four gggg's. IGY's got five ggggg's.
:-D
Sun Mo
IGY
hahahahahahaha
We should get a Jew filter for MDS and an awesome filter for me.
You can Phreak can be the white trash filter, actually.
English motherfarger, do you speak it?
Looks like MDS was out sipping on some wine coolers last night.
Whoops. Damnit. I'm an ass.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 16, 2007, 10:56:15 PM
Myers breezes through the 9th. Back to .500
You mean... since they were 0-0? That doesn't count as .500, actually.
This is the first time they've been at .500 all year, and obviously....
WORLD. SERIES.
Also...
This sounds promising:
QuoteAll-Star closer Tom Gordon, who is out with inflammation in his rotator cuff, should start an intensive program next week that would include throwing. Assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said he doesn't know when Gordon would begin throwing or be able to pitch competitively.
This sounds promising
actually it does...if youre a phillies fan you dont want gordon anywhere near the field ever again...hes done...and im scared to death that if healthy charlie would put him back in the closers role...but even as a set up guy i want no part of him....he sucks
I don't want Gordon as a closer but as a setup man he's better than anything we have.
Heading down to todays game with my little brother
They need to fire Charlie now, obviously he's a bad manager, but right now he's managing every game like it's game 7 of the World Series.
Myers had no business being in that game, up 4, last night. Then, he says that he's available today as well. He's obviously trying to save his job, so they need to either fire him, or give him an extension. If they give him an extension, I will murder...everybody.
but four runs in citizens bank is like two in any other park
I had no problem with his use of Myers lastnight, especially vs. a team like the Brewers
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 10:58:54 AM
but four runs in citizens bank is like two in any other park
no...it's not, Charlie
if Myers is the only pitcher you can bring in with a 4 run lead, than the season is farged anyway...
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 17, 2007, 10:17:30 AM
I don't want Gordon as a closer but as a setup man he's better than anything we have.
Yup.
no...it's not, Charlie
if Myers is the only pitcher you can bring in with a 4 run lead, than the season is farged anyway...
thats what charlie said after the game when asked why he did it
i agree with you....it was an assinine move...myers can always be brought in when it really is a two run game
and the season is farged already...you dont really believe they can make the playoffs do you?
I don't want Gordon as a closer but as a setup man he's better than anything we have
stop...gordon sucks....geary is much better and at this point id probably take the 12 fingered assasin over him as well
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 11:14:10 AM
no...it's not, Charlie
if Myers is the only pitcher you can bring in with a 4 run lead, than the season is farged anyway...
thats what charlie said after the game when asked why he did it
i know, that's why i called you charlie, you goose
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 11:14:10 AM
I don't want Gordon as a closer but as a setup man he's better than anything we have
stop...gordon sucks....geary is much better and at this point id probably take the 12 fingered assasin over him as well
When Gordon's on he's solid. His fastball still has some zip and his curve is above average. Put Geary and Alfonseca as the closer and see how well they do.
When Gordon's on he's solid
when david west is on hes pretty good too...bring em back...gordons a dead soldier
Put Geary and Alfonseca as the closer and see how well they do.
huh?
geary - set up
myers - closer
gordon - glue factory
it's not a question of Gordon's talent, it's his health, he's broken down and done.
he can't throw a curveball without hurting his shoulder
You missed the point of my argument, Gordon's been the closer, he's done decent at times and bad at others. Geary's been a setup man, put Gordon - who has much better stuff - in the setup role like he was with the Yanks and watch him do better.
if it was four years ago id be with you...but its 2007
gordon is broken down....its over
@SD - Your point makes absolute sense, but if Sun Mo and IGY are correct, then Gordon is simply never going to be close to that effective again, and it completely trumps your idea.
<------------ she knows
my fear is that gordon rehabs makes a couple appearences at reading...comes up to philly get a cortizone IV attached to his shoulder and in a big situation gets a "go get em" from charlie
charlie is loyal to a fault and the team cant be giving away games because of it
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 11:49:58 AM
charlie is loyal to a fault and the team cant be giving away games because of it
Is he morman?
Quote from: SunMo on May 17, 2007, 11:10:02 AM
if Myers is the only pitcher you can bring in with a 4 run lead, than the season is farged anyway...
Welcome to Phillies baseball, 2007 edition.
:yay
So now that the Phils have reached .500, how long is their losing streak going to be?
8
Over/Under. What do you got?
toronto is pretty friggin bad so i dont see a losing streak until fla and atl next week
today is an automatic loss.....they will win two of three vs toronto...then lose four of six to fla and atl
o/u is four but it wont happen until sometime btwn sunday and a week from sunday
Toronto is also on a hot streak right now though. Phils won't have to face Halliday though, so they got that going for them.
SD just sent me this from the parking lot:
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I hate him. :-D
Don't make me start sending you picture mail.
Please don't.
The ones with you with a ball-gag in your mouth were enough to last me a lifetime.
That wasn't a ball gag... it was a can of AXE body spray.
wow i just shtein my pants
can someone explain to me the double switch charlie just made
Holy shtein, a double switch
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 04:51:24 PM
can someone explain to me the double switch charlie just made
i didn't see it, but i guess Garcia's spot was up in the order? so Ruiz comes in for Garcia, and Geary comes in for Barajas and bats 8th
yeah thats what it was
i thought the top of the order was up
no excuses, play like a champion
sounds like there was brawl at the stadium btwn innings.....hopefully sd can report back on it
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 17, 2007, 02:17:36 PM
SD just sent me this from the parking lot:
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I hate him. :-D
He sent me the same thing earlier too. Dick.
Fabio Castro comes in and fargs things up, but it's only one run. Somehow, it's just 3-1.
Jimmy just got ate up by a couple of pretty nasty sliders.
farg!! highway robbery. that should be a home run. dammit!!
nice try, bums.
Burrell missed a game tying homer by a matter of inches. Brew Crew holds on for the win.
Nah, it was a good call. Tough game, I guess.
3/4 is fine. Take 2/3 from Jays to cap off a good homestand. The Phils are average. Woooo.
Quote from: MDS on May 17, 2007, 06:12:05 PM
Nah, it was a good call. Tough game, I guess.
3/4 is fine. Take 2/3 from Jays to cap off a good homestand. The Phils are average. Woooo.
x2
They took 2/3 from the Cubs and now 3/4 from the Brewers which I believe makes this just the 2nd time this year the Phils have won back-to-back series. Plus, they were in the game until the final at bat which is probably the most realistic goal this team or the fans should have right now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2007, 05:04:43 PM
sounds like there was brawl at the stadium btwn innings.....hopefully sd can report back on it
There was a streaker (full nudity) who jumped onto the field from the left/center field fence in the 7th. He made it to 2nd avoiding security but accidentally ran into one of the field crew who were combing the base paths. 5 or 6 security then jumped his naked ass and took him away. Dook got a standing O. He looked like some old dude in his 40's or 50's.
Here it is:
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Tried enlarging it using Photobucket but it isn't letting me. If someone else can please feel free.
I wanna see some bananas and nuts.
You don't get enough of that in the dorms
I'm not in a dorm, Wookie. And yes, I see a lot of balls and such in my general daily activities. Who doesn't?
Wookie's don't have balls
QuoteHamels' goal: One no-hitter per season
By MARTIN FRANK, The News Journal
Posted Friday, May 18, 2007
PHILADELPHIA -- Cole Hamels wasn't upset about losing the no-hitter on J.J. Hardy's two-run homer in the seventh inning Wednesday night.
He was upset about losing the perfect game the batter before, because it came on a walk. Hamels banged his glove against his side in frustration after he walked the Brewers' Rickie Weeks.
"I like to at least go through a game where I don't walk a guy," Hamels said. "To give up a free base, it's harder to take than the home run. Walks, in general, can hurt you. I'd like to get through games where I don't allow runs, either."
Hamels allowed two runs on two hits in his eight innings of work as the Phillies cruised to a 6-2 win. He struck out 11 batters.
Make no mistake, Hamels said he wanted the no-hitter. In fact, he said he wants to get at least one every season.
"I don't know if it's every pitcher's goal, but it's mine," Hamels said. "It's something that's so far to reach, but you can try to reach it. That's why we're out here. Nobody's going to be perfect. I try to be that way and a perfect game is pretty perfect."
Hamels said he wasn't afraid to talk to his teammates while he was flirting with his no-hitter. It is customary in baseball that teammates leave a pitcher alone when he is working on a no-hitter.
Not Hamels. He was chatting with his teammates, just like he would do in any other situation.
"That's part of who I am, and I don't want to let that affect what's going on in the game," he said. "I don't want to change myself."
He said the main topics of conversation were the Brewers' at-bats, and, of course, his own.
Hamels had two hits, the first multi-hit game of his career.
"I talked about my hitting because, obviously, I don't have much to show for it and I was really excited at that point," he said.
It was hard to tell if he was excited because of his hitting or his pitching.
Streaking on
The talk in the Phillies clubhouse after the game Thursday was about a naked man who jumped over the left-field fence and ran toward the infield.
The man was chased by groundskeepers while the players looked on in disbelief. One of the groundskeepers hip-checked the man to the infield dirt. He was led off by security, with a bag covering his midsection. He faces charges.
When asked for his reaction, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel replied with a laugh: "I got real blushed. I wasn't trying to look. It happened so quick. The first I saw, he was on the ground."
Also
Brett Myers had pitched four times in the previous five games. But Manuel hinted that if the Phillies had a lead in the ninth inning, he might have used him. ... Newark native Kevin Mench has yet to get a hit in front of his hometown fans. He went 0-for-8 in the series after grounding out as a pinch-hitter. He is now 0-for-18 in his career at Citizens Bank Park. ... The Phillies begin interleague play this weekend with a three-game series against Toronto. The Phillies are 78-91 overall in interleague play and 9-9 against the Jays. Jon Lieber (1-2, 2.83) will oppose Dustin McGowan (0-0, 7.59) tonight.
There was a streaker (full nudity) who jumped onto the field from the left/center field fence in the 7th
makes more sense...because it happened right on the change over when harry comes in the booth for the last three tv innings...wheels was like and ill let harry explain what just happened...harry was like i wont be doing that
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 18, 2007, 06:51:34 AM
Wookie's don't have balls
Congrats on being avatar buddies with King Cole.
motherfarger
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HOT
dude in the blue shirt is really getting up in there.
Nice combover also.
number for the three pitchers the blue jays have going this weekend
total career starts 28
nothing less than a sweep is acceptable
YES!
wes helms is in the lineup again!
makes no sense either....abe has been strokin it and we dont even have to mention the defensive discrepency btwn the two...plus a right hander starting
did you just see the bird diarreah
on another note when is the last time a phillies starter got bombed...its such a nice feeling this year to know that pretty much every starter is gonna go 5+ and keep you in the game if not straight up win it
that bird shteinting was awesome
did they sign Eaton before or after they traded for Garcia, because you would've though the money they spent on Eaton could've been spent on the bullpen, although you wouldn't be able to have Myers in the bullpen now.
Hamels was on DNL tonight, he may sound like a gaybird, but he's a pretty cool dude.
i cant listen to hamels or myers....myers is even worse cause he doesnt sound anything like he looks...with hamels you expect him to sound like he appears....hamels talking about pitching sounds like FF talking about kohls t-shirts
garcia came after eaton
as amazing as it sounds i think theyd be worse minus eaton and myers in the rotation
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2007, 07:35:17 PM
as amazing as it sounds i think theyd be worse minus eaton and myers in the rotation
assuming they didn't have a strong closer...you're probably right.
they need to get the setup role solved and they might have a chance for the wild card
yeah im saying that on the assumption and reality that without myers they have no closer
as for the wildcard
they have little to no chance at with the mets and braves in their division
if on april first right before the braves game they phils were 6.5 games back to start the year would anyone have believed they had a shot at the mets or braves
now its may 18 and they are 6.5 games back and they can win it?
ill still hold out hope but i put it at 96.7% they dont pass either the mets or the braves
and i still believe the reason is the lineup not middle relief
btw exhibit A would be getting no hit by this scab tonight
yeah, the bats haven't looked good so far. they have too many games like this, where they are shut down early and have a crazy rally late in the game
btw...i am giving Phreak the business this week
no comment
ha
fargin jimmy needs to pick it up...hes been terrible the last two weeks
why the farg is ruiz hacking away there...the guy just walked the bases loaded on four pitches
here we go
bout time they started catching up to this kid
all set off by leiber too...what a great at bat by him
the position players could take some pointers jonny
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2007, 08:20:47 PM
why the farg is ruiz hacking away there...the guy just walked the bases loaded on four pitches
Blue Jays pitcher is imploding. Walked Lieber with the bases loaded, two hits, a wild pitch and a sac fly and it's 5-0. Five runs on three hits. :-D
Ruiz has had a good year, but he flat out panics when he comes up with the bases loaded
three things i dont ever wanna see/hear again in a phillies game
1. "he turned the wind around" - harry and wheels say this incessantly and its retarded
2. "phils are gonna turn over the lineup" - i realize the importance of this but just stop it wheels...hes obsessed....i swear to god hes trying to figure out ways to turn the lineup over when victorino is batting
3. phillie fans throwing the home run balls back - welcome to the 1985 iceholes when cub fans were doing it
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2007, 08:57:56 PM
2. "phils are gonna turn over the lineup" - i realize the importance of this but just stop it wheels...hes obsessed....i swear to god hes trying to figure out ways to turn the lineup over when victorino is batting
christ...tell me about it. when the 8th hitter gets on base with 2 outs, you would swear he cured cancer by the way Wheeler talks about it.
ha...harry just said it again, this time in question form
and the fan threw the ball back
STOP IT!
i don't think there is anything i would enjoy more than to catch a home run and not throw it back
they should probably stop pitching it down the middle of the plate
i don't think there is anything i would enjoy more than to catch a home run and not throw it back
id say youd be my hero but you already are
i could be your superhero
they should probably stop pitching it down the middle of the plate
did you hear wheels
"you gotta give the blue jays credit they are really swinging the bat well right now"
thats why i depsise him with all my hatred...hes the ART of announcers
where the farg is myers now...they had off yesterday
ha...that's the same spot he called a ball when Lieber walked with the bases loaded
wow that was so not a strike
it was even much lower than leibers...i thought the one to leiber was mostly just inside
I come in to see that fat six fingered douche Alfonseca pull a didnt farg the entire thing up inning out of his black hispanic ass. woop dee doo.
5-3 game in the bottom of the 8th and these iceholes are doing the wave
i hope a blimp full of AIDS explodes over the ballpark
Quote from: SunMo on May 18, 2007, 09:26:09 PM
5-3 game in the bottom of the 8th and these iceholes are doing the wave
i hope a blimp full of AIDS explodes over the ballpark
Unfortunately, Burrell is just coming to bat.
5-3 game, Wheels says:
"Myers would come in with a 2 run lead now."
Seriously.
wow, that 2-1 pitch was better than the one that struck out Glaus
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2007, 07:35:17 PM
hamels talking about pitching sounds like FF talking about kohls t-shirts
I didn't know just how much you loved me until now. It makes me hungry for bacon.
5-3 game in the bottom of the 8th and these iceholes are doing the wave
lol
this could be trouble
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2007, 07:35:17 PM
hamels talking about pitching sounds like FF talking about kohls t-shirts
True? Not true?
Who cares. That is some funny shtein right there.
the use of Kohls is what really made it work
Exactly. Funny is a science.
Why do I have a bad feeling?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 18, 2007, 09:44:26 PM
Why do I have a bad feeling?
because it's the phillies
kill me now
here comes the K
superstar Wes Helms!
YES!! ;D
Wheeler is a farging idiot...he said the runner from 2nd would've scored if they would've called Rios safe...the guy was barely around 3rd then Helms caught it
god wheels is a moron
btw do the mets ever lose
Sarge's breakdown of Lieber's day was great:
(Video of strikeout plays)
He struck out one
(another one plays)
two
(another one)
three
(another one)
actually it would be four for the day
(video of him walking off the mound)
here he is walking off the mound, and jon lieber is our player of the game
I have actually grown to really find sarge funny.
The recap of the delivery of the game. "It was a bases loaded walk, a good at bat, 3-2 pitch actually...that was outside. And burrell actually scored on the play..."
Quote from: MDS on May 18, 2007, 09:50:16 PM
Sarge's breakdown of Lieber's day was great:
(Video of strikeout plays)
He struck out one
(another one plays)
two
(another one)
three
(another one)
actually it would be four for the day
(video of him walking off the mound)
here he is walking off the mound, and jon lieber is our player of the game
That cracked me up to. wtf? Some pretty in depth stuff there Gary.
the best part is that anything that pops up on the screen derails his thought.
after myers walked stairs it went something like"
Well, Myers seemed to pitch around Stairs, he wasn't real aggressive...
(they show Stairs on 1st base)
And there is Stairs, he's a shorter player, he played both hockey and baseball growing up
he has the attention span of a 6 month old
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2007, 09:49:54 PM
btw do the mets ever lose
No, but the Braves do.
Lieber has been decent since returning to the rotation. Myers was quasi-Mitch Williams in the 9th.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2007, 09:12:28 PM
i don't think there is anything i would enjoy more than to catch a home run and not throw it back
id say youd be my hero but you already are
Ahem!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2007, 10:50:30 AM
is there anything you dont do sarge?...youre the y2k macgyver and my hero
I had the misfortune of listening to the game on XM last night. As bad as Wheeler is on PBP, he's better than Larry Anderson. My God, I've never heard a person misspeak and stammer that much in my life. He has no business doing PBP. Color? Sure, fine, whatever.
Just embarrassing.
As for the game - nice escape by Myers in the 9th. I can't believe the Phillies only managed three hits yet still got five runs out of it. Who is this team?
Yeah, LA is brutal on PBP. I mean like, make me cringe when I listen brutal.
He's awesome with Harry on TV but the genius iceholes who make up the broadcasting teams would even farg up a wet dream. Hey - let's piss Harry off and put Wheels and Sarge in there for 9 farging innings! Morons.
mets roll again....they are really good...only hope is they gag again in the playoffs....that would be precious
for real...they are trying to blow it
whats the weather up there like right now sun
it's cloudy...looks like rain might be coming
same lineup as last night, except for Dobbs at first, not Helms
gin is in my lineup tonight, not rum
i just drank the last of my ice tea, i guess it's on to water for me
im sorry
i got gin and canada dry bitter lemon with a pinch of sugar.....lovely
great play by Jamie Moyer
Moyer getting out of some jams. That old farger still has it.
you still have it
he was helped big time by that idiot who swung on that not even same area code in the dirt pitch...that was horrible
No I don't.
Rowing takes a bad route and slips. Nice work, idiot.
Now Glaus hits one out.
Ha. Some guy caught the ball, give it to a kid, whose dad then encouraged him to throw it on the field and he did. Great.
Sarge says: "Make no bones about it, this team can hit."
i was going to make some bones about it, but i guess i won't anymore
the phillies never suck...its always the great things the other team is doing...normally thats wheels.....sarge is usually better than that
i guess i jinxed moyer last night when i asked when the last time a phils starter got blasted
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2007, 07:58:57 PM
i guess i jinxed moyer last night when i asked when the last time a phils starter got blasted
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 16, 2007, 10:32:25 PM
its gay enough when baseball players dont talk to pitchers and do other little emerald chessboard idiocies...but theres really not to many things on earth dumber than a person who thinks a message board post actually has soemthing to do with a no hitter being broken up
;)
burnage
the difference is that romey actually believes that the posts caused the no hitter to be broken up....where as i know it was due that a phils pitcher got run out the box
the extra point is......good
3 run shot for Overbay.
didn't take long for an Eagles chant to ring out
Phils down 7-0 in the 4th......out come the Eagles chants. :-D
Moyer had nothing. Losers.
wheels on utley "he is soooo strong"
stfu ahole
"phils starting to chip away at the blue jays"
only the phils organization could employ someone like this guy
OMG2OUTRBI!!
there's only 1 out, dummy
I was thinking that this Marcum kid was pitching a really nice game. I think I jinxed him.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2007, 08:39:03 PM
I was thinking that this Marcum kid was pitching a really nice game. I think I jinxed him.
i think your mom jinxed you by drinking during her pregnancy
Quote from: SunMo on May 19, 2007, 08:40:39 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 19, 2007, 08:39:03 PM
I was thinking that this Marcum kid was pitching a really nice game. I think I jinxed him.
i think your mom jinxed you by drinking during her pregnancy
Nah, it was her smoking.
time for ARow to step up
Quote from: SunMo on May 19, 2007, 08:42:07 PM
time for ARow to step up
Never. I put him in my fantasy line-up today.
Rowand absolutely crushed one to deep 2nd base.
i really hate thier lineup
Blue Jays load the bases with no outs and single in 2 runs. Had it been the Phils, they would have hit into a double play.
i know moyer didnt give them much of a chance tonight but the offense producing seven hits in two games against what toronto has thrown out there on the mound is inexscusable
Clay Condry is awesome.
And then he hits the next batter after giving up a slam. :-D
i wanted him to hit Phillips, but that obviously not intentional because it was a breaking ball, what a stiff
still trying to figure out how clay condrey is on a major league team
Wheeler trying to defend why Manuel hasn't taken Condrey out yet, ha!
wheeler makes it really hard to be a phillie fan...its sad when every night im actually rooting for the other teams announcers to be on the mlb online telecast
Quote from: SunMo on May 19, 2007, 09:38:30 PM
Wheeler trying to defend why Manuel hasn't taken Condrey out yet, ha!
Actually, leaving Condry in there wasn't a bad idea. This team hasn't been hitting and there's no reason to wear out other arms in the bullpen in a game the Phils haven't been in since the 2nd inning.
the jays send 13 to the plate... score 6 runs
and only land 2 actual hits?
:-D
Actually, leaving Condry in there wasn't a bad idea. This team hasn't been hitting and there's no reason to wear out other arms in the bullpen in a game the Phils haven't been in since the 2nd inning.
i think thats what sun is saying...why is there even a need to defend manuel...we all know condrey was left out there to get out it by himself...the fact that hed go out of his way to defend a POS like manuel is sickening
Matt Stairs is the type of guy the Phillies don't have, but need for their bench. a left handed bat that is a homerun threat everytime, their bench is so bad it's not funny
Manuel is just giving gillick a giant middle finger from the dugout when he leaves condrey to hang himself like that.
Which is deserved. Gillick sucks.
At least Ed Wade tried to help the bullpen once in a while. (In fact that'a all ed Wade ever did)
there no alterior motive to leaving condrey in there...the game is over and condrey pitches once a month....he was in there until tomorrow morning if thats what it meant
Matt Stairs is the type of guy the Phillies don't have, but need for their bench. a left handed bat that is a homerun threat everytime, their bench is so bad it's not funny
agreed
the bench sucks the bullpen sucks the lineup is flawed and they have one fo the worst managers ive ever seen....the onyl reason thsi team is even close to .500 is a testament to how awful the national league is
It's times like this when I'm glad I can't watch the game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2007, 09:52:07 PM
the bench sucks the bullpen sucks the lineup is flawed and they have one fo the worst managers ive ever seen....the onyl reason thsi team is even close to .500 is a testament to how awful the national league is
and how good their starting pitching has been
yeah it has been good but it would get torn up in the american league
hamels is their only good pitcher
the other guys have been pitching good
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2007, 09:56:56 PM
hamels is their only good pitcher
Take it back before you jinx him.
too late, a helicopter just landed on him
i can't wait for the best comeback in baseball history
chippin away....
Chip, chip, chip-a-roo
The umps were out to get us. They practically handed the Blue Jays the game. I'm pretty sure I even saw one of them pulling the right field wall closer on the Stairs grand slam.
Go Skins, Sassy!
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 19, 2007, 09:53:13 PM
It's times like this when I'm glad I can't watch the game.
It's times like this when I'm glad I get all of them. Giants-A's, holla!
Quote from: MDS on May 19, 2007, 10:25:14 PM
Go Skins, Sassy!
Praise Gibbs, hahafunnyhaha!
Look for me in row 1 (section 106) above the rightfield fence today. Hopefully one of the bums hits one that far but with Eaton pitching it will probably be one of the Jays.
baseball america has the phillies taking this cat with their first pick...
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2007/index.jsp?mc=mesoraco
i like it
There is one Temple player with a shot to get drafted, maybe two. I know you're all on the edge of your seats, and I'll keep you updated on such. Actually, I could call the manager and a scout if I wanted. That's right, I'm bragging about Temple baseball contacts. I'm awesome. Me > igy.
the mlb draft has 112 rounds....theres a couple people in my house that have a chance to get drafted
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 20, 2007, 09:29:16 AM
Look for me in row 1 (section 106) above the rightfield fence today. Hopefully one of the bums hits one that far but with Eaton pitching it will probably be one of the Jays.
I see ur beerz.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on May 20, 2007, 03:26:05 PM
the mlb draft has 112 rounds....theres a couple people in my house that have a chance to get drafted
But none of them go to Temple.
my cribbo > temple
Exactly. That's why someone from Temple getting drafted is such a monumental occasion.
adam eaton just went 1st to 3rd on a single to right, ha
Quote from: SunMo on May 20, 2007, 03:35:52 PM
adam eaton just went 1st to 3rd on a single to right, ha
And they still haven't stopped talking about how great his slide was.
Would someone please tell Babe-raham to tie his shoes before he comes out of the duggout.
gas can geary at it again
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great play by Utely
How the hell do you take 3 strikes when bunting?
Myers just takes three straight strikes in a sacrifice situation.
Myers was a little shaky. I don't think he threw a first ball strike to any batter he faced. But he absolutely blew Frank Thomas away with 3 fastballs, 95, 98 96 mph after falling behind him 2-0.
Bums win despite Geary's best efforts to hand the game to Toronto.
.500 before trips to Florida and Atlanta. 4-2 would be nice.
i already called 2-4...therefore it is
Quote"We're back to .500. That's all that matters," outfielder Shane Victorino said.
It's nice to see this team has big aspirations.
wild card race....
Atlanta - x
San Diego - 2.0
Arizona - 2.5
Philadelphia - 4.0
Houston - 4.5
San Francisco - 4.5
Florida - 5.0
Chicago - 5.0
It's familiar territory to this team to be "in the chase" for the Wild Card. I'm sure they'll even be in the lead for it at some point and get some of you lesser-minded fans all excited.
They simply don't have enough good players to make the playoffs.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 21, 2007, 09:37:04 AM
It's familiar territory to this team to be "in the chase" for the Wild Card. I'm sure they'll even be in the lead for it at some point and get some of you lesser-minded fans all excited.
They simply don't have enough good players to make the playoffs.
Yes they do. They need to get the bullpen situation straightened out and get Howard healthy but they have enough to get the wildcard.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 21, 2007, 09:37:04 AM
I'm sure they'll even be in the lead for it at some point and get some of you lesser-minded fans all excited.
Guilty as charged.
If they can add a good arm to the pen I say they make the playoffs, but that sounds all too familiar.
God help me for saying/thinking this but;
If Gordon can come back and give them something as a set-up guy and if Madson can help out in the 7th inning, they have something there that resembles a good 7-8-9 trio.
Geoff Geary is trash. Alfonseca was good for about three weeks, now he's a liability.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2007, 11:46:22 AM
God help me for saying/thinking this but;
If Gordon can come back and give them something as a set-up guy and if Madson can help out in the 7th inning, they have something there that resembles a good 7-8-9 trio.
Well, game over then. Gordon's ready to be sold for glue, and Madson is garbage on a good day.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 21, 2007, 12:43:38 PM
and Madson is garbage on a good day.
i wouldn't go that far, he's had, i think, 10 appearances this year. 3 of them, he gave up runs, the other 7 he was solid. i still think he has the potential to be the 7th inning guy they need, he's done it before, so i think he can do it again.
yeah i like madson...i dont know why people hate on him so much...he was a car crash starting and hes had some ups and downs but overall hes been a good middle guy for most of his phils career
i much more confidence in him having a big year than i do gordon ever being dependable again
Considering you believe Gordon coming back solid is a 0% chance, that's not saying much.
Madson has been solid. He should be game when he comes back tomorrow. Gillick needs to get his ass out of the Toronto Arts Festival and pick up another farging reliever.
That will give them 3 arms out of the pen, with 2 really shaky ones (Geary and Alf) and a pile of shtein thats questionable for mop up duty.
What happened to Geary, seriously? The guy was so solid, then got overused and has sucked ass since.
A pitching machine would have broken down had it tossed as much as geary did last season.
STAND PAT
geary has been feast or famine this year...overall he has actually been good...but when hes been bad hes gotten clobbered...he has over 20 appearences and i think hes given up all his runs in three or four of those games
yesterday and the cub debacle standing out
madsen returning should ease his workload
i think geary will be ok
Geary's been atrocious. Look at his splits here... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5727 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=5727)
His first 15 pitches have been disasterous. Strangely, the longer he goes the better he is.
lol @ splits and first 15 pitches....stop
hes got five holds and a 4.50 era and that includes a four run a five run and a three homer inning....not bad at all...not great either...but not even close to atrocious
You didn't even look at the stats, did you, IGY?
i know his general stats....no i didnt look at splits and first 15 pitches....thats vorp like
i know hes been good in all but about three or four of his appearances...and when he hasnt been good hes been terrible...
hes also been killed by some costly errors by his fielders
im not saying hes the rolaids middle reliever of the year...but he hasnt been anywhere close to atrocious outside of yesterday and that cubs game
His job is to enter the game and either put out fires or prevent them from happening until the closer gets in.
He hasn't done that and his failure is shown in the statistics I mentioned. In 57 at-bats during those first 15 pitches, he's given up 19 hits in 57 at-bats. He's given up six walks, allowed nine rbi's and three dingers.
That's atrocious, IGY.
maybe you need to look at pitches 16-30 or something...i dont deal in splits
he has a 4.50 era with 5 holds
that is not atrocious
if you wanna say hes been atrocious the last two weeks when hes really struggled then you have a point...otherwise i dont know what youve been watching all year
in fact at one point he went 12 straight appearances without giving up a run
They should not put geary in the game until he's thrown 15 pitches...apparently.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 21, 2007, 02:57:35 PM
His job is to enter the game and either put out fires or prevent them from happening until the closer gets in.
by that definition...his 82% of inherited runners who have been stranded means he's had a pretty good year so far
wow, he's had 21 games played, 28 runners inherited, and only 5 have scored. that seems really good to me, they don't list a percentage anywhere that i've seen to see how that stacks up
Yeah, you guys are right. I forgot this is bizarro world.
A pitcher who gets paid NOT to give up hits and runs in relief who gives up hits and runs when he first enters the game like they're going out of style is, in fact, excellent.
Geary for MVP!
Quote from: SunMo on May 21, 2007, 03:14:09 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 21, 2007, 02:57:35 PM
His job is to enter the game and either put out fires or prevent them from happening until the closer gets in.
by that definition...his 82% of inherited runners who have been stranded means he's had a pretty good year so far
Dude...look at his splits! He totally sucks on pitches 7 and 10! ATROCIOUS!
actually i found a list here: http://www.insiderbaseball.com/blog/2007/05/first_pitch_may_09_2007_inherited_runners_stranded_percentage.html
it was only up through May 9, at which point Geary was at 90.5%, 8th in baseball.
so, he's obviously struggled lately, but calling him atrocious for the season is not right
He was atrocious yesterday, that's for damn sure.
Beane would be proud of us arguing about this. :-D
The last three games he got hit or torched in the Phillies actually won. The one he pitched well in, they lost.
Again - weird.
BTW: Three of the holds IGY was talking about, the Phillies won 9-3, 11-4 & 9-3 again. Just saying...
They should not put geary in the game until he's thrown 15 pitches...apparently.
lol
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 21, 2007, 03:33:12 PM
Beane would be proud of us arguing about this. :-D
The last three games he got hit or torched in the Phillies actually won. The one he pitched well in, they lost.
Again - weird.
BTW: Three of the holds IGY was talking about, the Phillies won 9-3, 11-4 & 9-3 again. Just saying...
he shouldn't have gotten holds for those wins...
QuoteWhat exactly is a hold?
The hold stat was created in part to measure the effectiveness of middle relief pitchers. Put simply, holds are to middle relievers what saves are to closers.
A hold is earned when a reliever comes into a save situation and gives way to another reliever without giving up the lead.
ahhhh...
April 22, 9-3 win at Cincinnati - they scored 4 runs in the top of the 9th to put the game away, Geary came in during the 6th inning, when the score was 4-2, pitched 1 and a third innings, gave up one hit.
April 23, 11-4 against Houston at home - Geary pitched the 7th inning, when it was a 7-4 game, they scored 4 runs in the bottom of the 7th to blow it open
April 25, 9-3 win against Washington at home - Geary came in with 2 outs in the 7th inning, with the score being 7-3 and runners on base, thus being a hold siutation, he got the out, they scored 2 more runs in the 8th to make it 9-3
Maybe Geary is only worth a damn in pressure situations then.
Oh, he definitely earned them.
It's just a strange coincidence that in all three of those holds they put up 4 in the 9th, 4 in the 7th & 3 in the 6th after he pitched.
he inspires them
It's just a strange coincidence that in all three of those holds they put up 4 in the 9th, 4 in the 7th & 3 in the 6th after he pitched.
the phillies getting timely hitting and pitching in the same game would mos def qualify as "strange"...or would it be "miraculous"
More weirdness...
The game he blew vs. the Cubs is when the Phillies scored six in the bottom of the 7th after the Cubs scored six in the top of the inning.
That almost never happens but they ended up winning just the same.
Now I know why I got a C in statistics in college. They hurt my head a little.
I don't like him because he looks like Ed Wade.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 21, 2007, 04:13:22 PM
I don't like him because he looks like Ed Wade.
Holy crap, he does. :-D :boom
Everyone involved in the Geary conversation should farging kill themselves and everyone related to them. What the farg is wrong with you people?
Quote from: rjs246 on May 21, 2007, 08:49:12 PM
Everyone involved in the Geary conversation should farging kill themselves and everyone related to them. What the farg is wrong with you people?
Who's worse - us for discussing it or you for reading about it and then commenting on it?
Yeah, I know... us.
Go Team.
rome you get an F for missing an easy and fitting SW quote
Jessie is an idiot.
Werth's gone yard twice
what happened with utley there...i missed the pitch...did olsen hit him and feel like utley didnt get out of the way?
Didn't see what Utley did/said but apparently he said something after ball 4 and Olsen started jawing with him on the way to first.
The Marlins announcers are rather annoying. They keep reading emails from fans and answering thier stupid questions. Then they got a letter from some douche an Amsterdam and they decided they were going to take a road trip to Amsterdam. Yes, a ROAD TRIP to Amsterdam.
wtf they didnt show a single replay of the pitch at the plate...only olsen throwing it and his reaction...they also didnt even ask themselves or comment on what they thought he was mad at...just that he needed to settle down
so if he didnt hit him what could he have possibly been so mad at utley for
Olsen is a corksucking shteinbag loser. He's the jitbag who said he wanted to crush the Phils a few years ago.
And the Phils offense is great.
2 HRs from Werth
1 double by King Cole
2 INF singles
Rowand was playing too shallow too
Bums
So all there offense was Jason Werth and they shut it down after the 3rd? Seen that one before.
On the bright side, Madson threw well.
pitching isnt the problem
the offense on this team has cancer...always will until changes are made....rollins and utley have come up tiny with howard out
like mds said when hamels out produces the rest of the team put together (minus werth) something is wrong...against zesty ass olsen too
Bums interested in Percival (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/20070522_Phillies_interested_in_reliever_Percival.html)
Percival, 37, hasn't pitched since 2005.
They are desperate for bullpen support.
uh huh
QuoteAt the time, he had an injured right forearm, but, after working out with his son's Little League team this spring, Percival discovered his velocity and his resilience had returned.
Striking out 9 year olds will do wonders for the ego. :-D
Quote from: EagleFeva on May 23, 2007, 08:53:23 AM
QuoteAt the time, he had an injured right forearm, but, after working out with his son's Little League team this spring, Percival discovered his velocity and his resilience had returned.
Striking out 9 year olds will do wonders for the ego. :-D
:-D
He sounds like a fit with the Phils' pen.
Sign anyone and everyone.
Hell, pull a Vermeil and have open tryouts.
But IGY is right - the offense is the problem most of the time. Rollins has hit a slump and Utley hasn't been Utley. It seems like this team can never get everyone going at once.
There should be no reason to not smoke Byung Hun Kim tonight.
QuoteHamels' changeup separating him from the pack
By Jerry Crasnick
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: May 22, 2007
PHILADELPHIA -- Cole Hamels was a shy kid growing up in San Diego -- skinny, undersized and content to hang in the background with his buddies. The main exception was the pitcher's mound, where he asserted himself at an early age and embraced the showman within.
"I've always wanted to impress people since I was 9 or 10 years old,'' Hamels said. "When you're in Little League, your mom and dad and grandparents are there and you want to show them what you're all about. Then it's scouts -- or girls. I guess that's the masculine thing, to want to impress people. But I've learned to use it in a good way.''
Hamels is now 23 and in his second season with the Philadelphia Phillies, and the list of admirers keeps growing. It consists of teenage girls, their little brothers and dads, scouts and front-office executives, teammates and local newspaper columnists. Even Howard Eskin at WIP radio has a hard time finding fault with him.
The man upstairs is equally impressed -- and we're not talking about Philadelphia general manager Pat Gillick.
"Every night, when Cole Hamels kneels beside his bed and says his prayers, he's interrupted by God, who breaks in and thanks himself for creating Cole Hamels,'' Phillies starter Adam Eaton said, with only a trace of a smile.
The list finally winds its way to opposing hitters, who are enhancing Hamels' reputation in the most elementary way -- by striking out in droves.
Hamels, 6-1 with a 3.30 ERA, ranks third in the major leagues in strikeouts behind Baltimore's Erik Bedard and San Diego's Jake Peavy, and his 4.12-to-1 strikeout-walk ratio puts him a fraction behind two-time Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana of the Twins.
Cole Hamels is second in the National League with 70 strikeouts.
In 32 major league starts, Hamels has 215 strikeouts. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, that's the most by a lefty in his first 32 starts since Vida Blue whiffed 232 batters for Oakland from 1969 through 1971.
Hamels' last outing, a 6-2 win over the Brewers on Wednesday, was impressive even by his standards. He struck out Milwaukee's Rickie Weeks, J.J. Hardy, Prince Fielder and Billy Hall to start the game, and carried a perfect game into the seventh inning. A Weeks walk and a Hardy home run gave the 42,713 fans at Citizens Bank Park an excuse to finally relax and enjoy their Ryan Howard bobblehead dolls.
As Hamels prepares to follow up that effort Tuesday night in Florida, the Milwaukee hitters can offer the Marlins some free advice: Don't bother sitting on the changeup, because it's a chore to hit, even if you know it's coming.
Brewers third baseman Craig Counsell, who was fortunate enough to be a spectator Wednesday, listened to a bunch of dour reports from teammates returning to the dugout.
"Guys were saying the deception on that pitch is just different,'' Counsell said. "It feels like you see it forever, and it never gets there.''
The Brewers were complimentary of Hamels after his victory. On the bus ride back to the hotel, Weeks told reliever Matt Wise that Hamels' arm speed on his fastball and changeup were indistinguishable. Milwaukee pitching coach Mike Maddux was more impressed with Hamels' high baseball IQ. He's seen enough radar-obsessed youths in recent years to have an appreciation for a young pitcher with guile.
"It's a difficult task to try to get young guys to throw changeups, because their whole amateur career is spent staring at the scout with the gun,'' Maddux said. "For a young guy to have a good changeup, that's an aptitude right there. It's pitchability.''
In some respects, Hamels is a walking contradiction. He goes by the nicknames "King Cole'' and "Hollywood" (courtesy of Howard), but he's not the least bit affected by his success. At 6-foot-3 and an alleged 190 pounds, he looks like a human swizzle stick. But he's such a power nosher, some of his teammates refer to him as "Snacks.''
And that laid-back, Southern California demeanor conceals a true competitive instinct. Hamels used every bit of it to recover from a broken arm in high school and a back injury in the minor leagues.
"You can see confidence coming out of the guy,'' Phillies catcher Rod Barajas said. "He's on the mound and he's under control and he always knows what he wants to do. You never see any fear in him.''
It's now common knowledge that Hamels developed an appreciation for the changeup watching Trevor Hoffman close games in San Diego. He didn't attend many Padres games as a youth, but would routinely come home from baseball practice, eat dinner, finish his homework, then take a seat in front of the TV and watch Hoffman fluster hitters in 80 mph increments.
Hoffman's example planted the seed, but Hamels embraced the changeup for a more utilitarian reason. At Rancho Bernardo High, the powerhouse school that produced first-round Tigers draft pick Matt Wheatland in 2000, he needed an edge just to be competitive.
Pitching coach Mark Furtak taught him a circle change grip, and Hamels initially threw most of them in the dirt. But he stuck with the pitch, nurtured it and mastered it to the point that it became an extension of his hand.
Hamels can immediately tell in the bullpen when he's got a good one working. "It just rolls off my fingers,'' he said. And when he recently threw a substandard changeup to Chipper Jones that had "gopher ball'' written all over it, he silently cursed himself before it was halfway to the plate.
From a hitter's vantage point, Hamels is a perfect storm of despair. His lanky, angular physique gives him natural deception, and he contributes to the air of mystery by concealing the ball behind his glove during his motion. He's consistently at 90 to 92 mph with his fastball and will throw the change anywhere from 79 to 83. The slower version is meant to induce strikeouts, while the faster one typically coaxes ground balls.
"You can't teach that kind of changeup,'' Barajas said. "If you did, you'd have 20 or 30 guys in the league throwing it. For some reason it comes out of his hand naturally.''
The scary part is, Hamels is a self-improvement buff at heart. As if Barry Zito's $126 million contract weren't enough of an endorsement for left-handed curveballs, Hamels watched Ted Lilly and Rich Hill of the Cubs use the pitch as a weapon in a recent series in Philly. Refining the curve ranks high on his to-do list.
From his firsthand contact with Father Time -- also known as Jamie Moyer -- Hamels also knows the value of upsetting a hitter's timing. He realizes that lineups will adapt eventually, and he wants to be ready.
"If I can add another pitch, instead of the hitter having to guess 50-50, it's now 33 percent that I'll throw a fastball, change or curve,'' Hamels said. "That just helps out my case.''
Hamels outlasted Gavin Floyd, who was considered the Phillies' ace of the future before flopping with the big club and leaving town in a trade with the White Sox. Now that Brett Myers has assumed the closer's role in Philadelphia, Hamel bears the official seal of No. 1 guy in the rotation.
Life is certainly going smoothly off the field. During the offseason Hamels married Heidi Strobel, a former "Survivor'' contestant and Playboy cover model. They met several years ago when she was signing autographs in Florida and he worked up the chutzpah to ask her for a date.
Heidi is working toward a doctorate degree in international education from West Chester University outside Philadelphia, and her husband has joined King Felix Hernandez of Seattle on baseball's budding royalty list.
"We're going to have some pretty phenomenal kids,'' Hamels said.
Even God must be impressed.
Jerry Crasnick covers baseball for ESPN.com. His book "License To Deal" has been published by Rodale. Click here to order a copy. Jerry can be reached via e-mail.
Nice quote. And here's the pic of Hamels' wife you obviously forgot to include:
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Hit
Although the Landeta eyes scare the shtein out of me
NSFW Playboy shot with fellow contestant Jenna (http://wizbangblog.com/images/jennaheidi7full.jpg)
amusing Cole Hamels fan site (http://mysite.verizon.net/heyjude421/chf/chf.html)
that isn't the least bit amusing
Quote from: SunMo on May 23, 2007, 02:09:16 PM
that isn't the least bit amusing
QuoteWhen Cole Hamels passes "Go", he collects $400.
Genious!
that isn't the least bit amusing
lol
QuoteCole Hamels warned George Bush that it wasn't a good idea.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/crackinwax/how2.jpg)
Hey, look! It's that guy that had an amazing year he'll never match again!
He homered and doubled, maybe that will provide a confidence boost.
he looks lighter, doesn't he?
it's probably just the angle of the picture
Easy explanation: He had the giant load of suck removed from his stomach. I hope.
lets hope gio gonzalez never turns out to be anything because garcia is a bust
if i hear that farger complain one more time about being taken out to early im gonna lose it...dont throw 85 pitches by the 6th inning every game and you might get to stay in
I wish Barksdale would eat Freddy Garcia's neck off and rape his boyfriend in the ear.
Garcia is a fat slob.
if he can fight his way thru the rest of this inning then he pulled off a quality (if less than stellar) start...but color me not even close to impressed
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2007, 09:14:27 PM
if he can fight his way thru the rest of this inning then he pulled off a quality (if less than stellar) start...but color me not even close to impressed
hey now...that would be 2 quality starts in a row, no?
maybe the long sleeve shirt in the 100 degree florida heat will shed a few rolls off that fatass.
Wow, the bums are scoring insurance runs in the 9th inning. With 2 outs even.
and they needed every one
uggla is puttin in work for my fantasy team tonight
Myers is melting down.
Lovely.
phils are inching closer and closer to last place
btw if you hurry up and flip on tbs you can watch billy wags mow down the braves for a save
Absolutely ridiculous.
that k can go to barajas...he framed that pitch beautifully
Insane.
what a great call by the ump...he could have taken the easy way out and called him out
release barajas after the game?
Barajas just absolutely made a horrible play at the plate to let the tying run score. What the hell did he stand up for?
barajas is an idiot. farging joke. safe, no questions asked.
lololol
Bone farging headed! That throw got to the plate a good 10 feet before the baserunner. WTF was he thinking?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2007, 10:31:39 PM
release barajas after the game?
Release him from life.
And Myers just hurt his shoulder.
hows geoff geary closer sound?
Cursed. There's just no other way to say it.
I think Clay Condry just caught a line drive with his chest.
Was anyone laughing when Harry kalas was yelling "OUT OUT" when Barahas farged up?
i would have but i felt sorry for him...he needs to go to an old persons home
Quote from: Wingspan on May 23, 2007, 10:50:23 PM
Was anyone laughing when Harry kalas was yelling "OUT OUT" when Barahas farged up?
Eh, not really. I was more in shock of what I had just watch Barajas do. Besides, he actually started making the call before Ramirez even started his slide. As I was watching it I even said outloud that he was out before it happened.
oh shtein, Cabrerra's up.
gut check win
tied for third place again....yay...the season has come down to whether the phils are better than the marlins or not
This may sound weird, but they had no business winning a game that they had no business losing.
wip is gonna be nutso tomorrow with why was myers in the game calls
i say barajas doesnt get on the field again until myers does
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 23, 2007, 10:35:25 PM
Cursed. There's just no other way to say it.
Hahahahaa
Sometimes I wonder how you people remember to breathe.
farging shteinbag losers.
Ryan Howard and Freddie Mitchell were at Hooters in King of Prussia tonight. Together. There was a bikini contest. Howard said "wow" to my buddys buddys girlfriend, who was in the contest.
I went out to dinner with some other friends and came back to watch Lost. If you saw Lost, you'd know I made the right choice.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2007, 11:06:39 PMwip is gonna be nutso tomorrow with why was myers in the game calls
Tomorrow? They were suicidal 2 minutes after Myers walked off. I shut off the game and went away thinking it was over. For some reason I turned it back on 20 minutes later and saw Abe's hit...
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DURRRRRR.....STANDING UP IS GOOD!
Like Harry, I was screaming out too. I jumped up as soon as Barajas caught the ball on the hop because it was there so much ahead of Ramirez. Then that stupid shteinhead stands up and Hanley gets in under him. Barajas has been utterly horrible.
As for Myers being in, he was warmed up because it was a save situation before the runs were tacked on in the 9th. Brett said that he doesn't think its serious because he has strength in the shoulder.
What's funny is people are so hellbent on ripping Charlie that they forget that every manager in baseball does that same shtein with bringing in closers. One guy on the radio was saying "what would Joe Torre do? Or how about Tony LaRussa or Ozzie Guillen?" Its obvious that that dude doesn't watch how Torre uses Mariano.
And remember how Charlie would get blasted for not bringing in Billy Wags in the 8th or using him 3 days in a row often...
The guy isn't the best manager but its to the point where anything he does is ripped. I liked how he was blasted by some yesterday for starting Werth against Olsen and then Werth goes yard x2. Charlie said on pregame that he put him in there because Werth has been ripping Olsen.
Also, it MUST be pointed out how STUPID that play Greg Dobbs made was. Holy shtein! If I wasn't so pissed when it happened I would've had a good laugh at Charlie and Rich Dubee's reactions in the dugout. Dubee's face was funny.
Last nights game reminded me of the Giants/Eagles game last season, except somehow the bums pulled this one out.
If the Phillies wanted to make a statement about playing the right way and not making idiotic mistakes that cost you games, they should release Barajas right farging now. Maybe they will after they read this statement he made after the game:
QuoteBarajas' take: "Since we won the game, we can look back and laugh at some of those plays.''
Yep - hysterical.
Cut him.
That is embarassing. I bet the whole team was yukking it up after the game. Oh that Rod!
And yet Coste is still rotting away in the minors. Nice.
Barajas is a farging disgrace.
If they cut Barajas then Gillick would have to acknowledge he blew it (again) by signing him and exiling Coste to AAA. Like that's ever going to happen.
:-D
barajas can say garbage like that because his manager isnt gonna do shtein...let someone like jim leyland or mike scioscia hear that comment...they would get in his ass hard and nothing liek it would be uttered again...victorino made an assinine comment like that as well after he was thrown out at third in the first week of the season
What's funny is people are so hellbent on ripping Charlie that they forget that every manager in baseball does that same shtein with bringing in closers. One guy on the radio was saying "what would Joe Torre do? Or how about Tony LaRussa or Ozzie Guillen?" Its obvious that that dude doesn't watch how Torre uses Mariano.
riveras been a closer for over a decade...myers was a starter one month ago...you dont treat the two the same way
The guy isn't the best manager
no...no he isnt...in fact hes the worst manager ive ever seen
and who was ripping him for putting in werth....werth hit a home run in the first inning...so people were killing him bwtn the time the lineup was posted and when he that homer?
Mitch Williams called it perfectly on the post game show, he called out Barajas for being afraid of getting run over and he called out Manuel for bringing Myers into a 4 run game.
I knew Charlie would break his new toy, I just didn't think it would happen this quickly.
i might go to the game on june 3 just because they're giving out these...
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steal your neighbors pre schooler because its for kids 14 and under
matty looks under 14...retarded even, he might get two
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2007, 05:05:23 AMit MUST be pointed out how STUPID that play Greg Dobbs made was. Holy shtein! If I wasn't so pissed when it happened I would've had a good laugh at Charlie and Rich Dubee's reactions in the dugout. Dubee's face was funny.
Dobbs said after the game that it was the stupidest play in the history of baseball. :-D
yeah, Dobbs admits it was horrible, feels terrible that he may have lead to Myers being injured.
meanwhile Barajas says he can laugh at his play because they won.
murder death kill
the IQ and fundementals of this team are well documented....therefore the dobbs play barely even registered to me
however the barajas play was staight bitch....he knew what to do he just didnt wanna do it for fear of getting hit
it looked like his glove was a big fat piece of watermelon and he was in the position right before youre about to eat it where you dont wanna get the juices on your shirt
Sarge, Coste has been back with the team for about two weeks now. ;)
IGY - a few posters on the Phils MB were blasting away at him for starting Werth.
Barajas should be cut. If not for being a bitchass punk, then for the comment.
Ruiz is playing much better anyhow.
Lieby > Barajas.
I never thought I would miss Lieberthal
IGY - a few posters on the Phils MB were blasting away at him for starting Werth.
a few billy beans on what i can only imagine is an abomination of a message board should be paid no mind and certainly dont reflect the phillies fanbase in any way...and it doesnt change the fact that charlie is a disgrace of a manager
I still maintain that it doesn't matter who the manager is of this squad; they will suck regardless.
I think they should start bringing back old Phils pitchers and see what they have left. Get Mitch and Ricky Blow off the Comcast sets, give Bedrock and Kent Tekulve a ring. Maybe even go see what Marvin Freeman, Tyler Green, Chad Ogea and Kyle Abbott are up to these days.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2007, 11:12:31 AM
Sarge, Coste has been back with the team for about two weeks now. ;)
He has three at-bats in all that time. There's no rational reason for Barajas to still be on this team. Not with Ruiz playing the way he's played and with Coste being there to spot him twice a week.
The only reason Barajas is still on the team is because he's Gillick's signing and there's no way Gillick is admitting his mistake only 7 weeks into the season.
Nope, "STAND PAT" will do just that and the Phillies will tread water until the trade deadline at which time there will be another fire sale.
Go team.
I still maintain that it doesn't matter who the manager is of this squad; they will suck regardless.
with a legit manager they make the playoffs last year
with a more functional lineup they make the playoffs last year
with a better bullpen they make the playoffs last year
so i agree with you that charlie isnt the sole problem....however its easier to fire a manager and find a competant replacement than it is to re tool an entire lineup or bullpen
and thats why the manager gets the most attention....because there are no outside factors preventing them from upgrading that spot
Phreak, I can't believe you say the manager doesn't matter.
This guy consistently makes mistakes with his lineup, with his pitching changes, and his overall strategy.
I'm not saying the team deserves no blame for where they are, but you can't let Charlie off the hook, he is brutal.
I don't feel like looking it up, but how long did it take for him to let Ryan Franklin go last year (who is now pitching well for STL, which boggles my mind)?
He'll admit mistakes. Problem is he hasn't been good enough at getting players who aren't mistakes in the first place.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
...however its easier to fire a manager and find a competant replacement than it is to re tool an entire lineup or bullpen
You would think so, wouldn't you?
Quick - name the last competent Phillies manager.
Jim Fregosi
Kaiser Wilhelm.
They're all a bunch of losers. Everyone last one them. The greatest manager in the world could manage this team and they'd still find a way to farg it up. No one is giving Chuckles a pass, they're just saying it doesn't matter. This team is a full of losers like Rod Barajas and Wes Helms. They'll find a way to lose anyway, so in short, baseball is an incredible waste of everyone's time. rjs has the right idea. But yet, I can't let it go.
you dont need a manager to win you games...tho that would be nice
you need someone that will not abort games
both bowa and francona...neither of who i liked much were competant
again its unbelievably easy to find a competant manager...theres one sitting next to charlie every night in davy lopes
And before that... Dallas Green. And before that, Gene Mauch. How many managers have come and gone in those nearly 50 years?
I'm not saying that the managers are the reason why the Phillies haven't won. That's idiotic. The players are ultimately responsible for getting it done.
However, look at the organizational framework. For the past 25 years the Phillies organization from top to bottom has been a third-rate amateur hour outfit. The owners are absentee landlords, upper management is a joke, scouting has been spotty (for every Utley, how many Jeff "Action" Jackson's have there been) and the coaching staffs have been almost uniformly mediocre-to-downright-awful.
It's sad but it's really not worth getting all freaked out about anymore. We, as fans, are stuck with this bunch of losers and there's nothing we can do about it. We're just as pathetic for remaining loyal to them as they are for counting on us to remain loyal. It's a sick, almost incestuous relationship we as fans have with that team, but there's no other alternative so we remain faithful and hopeful.
We're worse than cultists in our deluded devotion.
No one is giving Chuckles a pass, they're just saying it doesn't matter
but giving him a pass is exactly what youre doing when you say he doesnt matter
it absolutely does matter when your manager is losing you games...im not even a seamhead who believes in the emerald chessboard and all that crap...but charlie is just so far in the other direction its not even funny
again if hes not the manager last year they make the playoffs...but he doesnt matter?
Fact: The Philadelphia Phillies as an organization said "NO" to Jim Leyland and "YES" to Charlie Manuel.
Fact: The Philadelphia Phillies have Gary Matthews & Chris Wheeler on their television broadcast team and Larry Anderson handling play-by-play duties on radio.
Fact: Since the team was incorporated in the 1880's they've won exactly 1 world's championship.
Fact: The ownership group who has controlled the team has exactly 1 playoff appearance in their nearly 25 year tenure despite the fact that they own a team in the 4th largest market in the country, and the only city in which their team is the sole participant in the sport.
Fact: They have likely the best facilities, routinely draw 35-40 thousand people per game, yet their payroll is usually between 10th & 15th in the league. Why exactly? Ownership is more concerned with making a profit than winning a championship.
It's ugly, it's pathetic but it's all we as fans have.
Those facts are considerably less awesome than the ones at colehamelsfacts.com.
Cole Hamels is the person who composed those facts. I just copied and pasted them here.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2007, 11:12:31 AM
Sarge, Coste has been back with the team for about two weeks now. ;)
o_rly? Didn't realize that. That really doesn't make any sense then. Why the hell are they carrying 3 catchers then?
Because Barajas is the defensive specialist.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 24, 2007, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2007, 11:12:31 AM
Sarge, Coste has been back with the team for about two weeks now. ;)
o_rly? Didn't realize that. That really doesn't make any sense then. Why the hell are they carrying 3 catchers then?
Most teams do...under the guise of a crappy catcher designated as the emergency guy. Jayson Werth was listed as the emergency catcher before howard went to the DL, they already had a bunch of crap reserve infielders (Werth, Dobbs, Helms, Nunez...etc...) so no need to replace that position.
Pat Gillick is still just a retard collecting a paycheck though.
Having a guy designated as the emergency catcher seems completely different than having an actual 3rd catcher. It's like a NFL team carrying 4 qb's on the active roster. Every now and then you might see a team do it but typically they'll just have another player on the roster designated as the emergency qb.....like B-Mitch used to do.
3 catchers just seems wasteful to me.
having half your position players be defensive liabilities seems wasteful to me
wearing a bead necklace seems wasteful to me
You prefer pearls?
farging Charlie is starting Barajas tonight...way to punish the guy who pussed out on the team last night
farging moron
sickening
utely's out of lineup, makes sense since Dontrelle is pitching
utleys never had an extra base hit vs dontrelle
Quote from: SunMo on May 24, 2007, 04:55:09 PM
farging Charlie is starting Barajas tonight...way to punish the guy who pussed out on the team last night
farging moron
Wow. That's horrendous.
It's like the Phillies exist in some sort of alternative universe where zesty play gets rewarded.
Nope - don't cut or even bench a gutless smack like Barajas... REWARD HIM WITH ANOTHER START!
Geanious!
Rain Delay
for the mlb.com package people....does your picture quality suck tonight
I wouldn't know. MLB considers the Daytona Beach area to be within Miami's local market in terms of blackouts despite the fact that my house is 275 miles from Miami.
Phreak, this is why Manuel is undefendable...
Barajas shteins the bed last night and plays like a coward...so Charlie starts him again, and what happens?
Barajas with a half-assed tag attempt at the plate and the ball gets knocked out.
Is it Barajas fault? Yes.
But can you put blame on Charlie for putting them out there again? Absolutely.
Barajas seriously should be sent in a raft to Cuba.
Barajas is a freaking joke. His inability to cover the freaking plate has cost this team 2 games in a row. But he'll laugh it off after the game though so that's all that really counts.
you will all think ive lost it...but i honestly believe that barajas is in the lineup tonight because montgomery after listening to wip all day where barajas and manuel got murdered like i havent heard two guys get murdered in a long time told charlie to play him....monty would rather lose every game the rest of the year than to appear to give in to the fanbase and wip
un farging real...what the farg is wrong with this team
zero outs icehole
can someone explain whats going on....please
this team is trying to lose, it's the only explanation
they should be winning this game
brain dead steve smith is a POS
This team is farging pathetic.
do the phils have anyone left on their bench?
negative
i didnt think so...charlie used what four guys in the eight inning?
including all 3 catchers..it takes a special kind of stupid to do that
Nunez out for Utley
Coste out for Bourn
Barajas out for DOBBS
Victorino out for Pitcher
DOBBS out for Ruiz
Geeneus
that is corky special
Did Cholly really put himself in the position of having Burrell run for himself in the 9th inning?
Good Christ.
:-D
He also set it up where a pitcher would have to bat if Ruiz reaches.
whens the last time a pitcher batted in the 10th inning of a tie game
Mitchy Poo
Ok NOW it's freakin Adam Eaton if Utley doesn't GIDP
that drunk bastich right behind home plate is great...i dont know if the phils broadcast is picking him up...but hes been yapping out of control all game
wow that was high
yeah it was
Why is Eaton swinging? At all??
he's not a bad hitter, for a pitcher, he's up there to get a hit
i cant believe the ump gave tyler tankerlsy two pitches over one of the best hitters in the national league...especially when he showed he couldnt throw strikes...it wasnt like he was throwing cheese...there was the obviosuly ball and a borderline pitch that was called a strike...utley deserved better than that bum
Eaton is definitely a better clutch hitter than Burrell. I'll give you that much, Mo.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 24, 2007, 11:47:00 PM
that drunk bastich right behind home plate is great...i dont know if the phils broadcast is picking him up...but hes been yapping out of control all game
There's a couple of them that the mic is picking up. Crackin me the hell up.
So the fish don't have anyone left in their bullpen and the Phils don't have anyone left on their bench. Awesome.
Bums lose. At least Hanley Ramirez scored the gw run so I got some fantasy love out of it.
17 runners left on base tonight, that is so ridiculous that I'm at a loss for words.
farging bums.
farging. shteinbag. Losers.
Hudson/Buddy Carlyle/Kyle Davies this weekend, and it looks like they'll miss Webb and Livan again...
Quote from: SunMo on May 24, 2007, 10:26:18 PM
Phreak, this is why Manuel is undefendable...
Barajas shteins the bed last night and plays like a coward...so Charlie starts him again, and what happens?
Barajas with a half-assed tag attempt at the plate and the ball gets knocked out.
Is it Barajas fault? Yes.
But can you put blame on Charlie for putting them out there again? Absolutely.
I will not defend him for starting Barajas. But he can be defended for other things, such as emptying the bench in the 8th. And I've always said that he is nowhere near the best in the game, but he is not as bad as many make him out to be or want him to be. I watch a ton of baseball and I see managers doing things that Manuel gets killed for here. And I maintain that regardless of who the HMFIC is on this team, they still suck.
Barajas should be the guy DFA'd to make room for Howard coming off the DL today...
Back to the 8th inning...
- Nunez is out of the game in the top of the 1st so they are already one guy short...
- Coste has a great AB to work a walk; he is PR for with Bourn because Coste is slow and they are trailing by a run. That move is fine, no?
- Dobbs is brought in to PH for Barajas because obviously he's a better hitter than Rod The Vadge. Dobbs promptly doubles off the wall and Steve Smith sends Bourn to get smoked at home. Dobbs will stay in and play 1st since Coste is out now.
- Victorino PH for Geary, an obvious move. He singles to score Dobbs; tie ballgame.
So where should he have not used the bench there? You're trailing by 1 run so you have to do whatever it takes to tie it up. If Utley or Rowand can score Victorino in the b8th then Bourn goes in for Burrell as a DR because the Phils are leading 5-4.
Utley came up small tonight too.
Looks like two roster moves will be made today;
1. Apparently LH RP Mike Zagurski was called up from Reading. This probably means that Myers is heading to the 15 day DL. Or Yoel Hernandez will be sent down if Brett doesn't hit the DL.
2. Coste will probably be sent back to Ottawa to make room for Howard. Although Barajas should have been left off the charter to ATL instead.
M Mother farging Pgillies. I missed a shot on the last run of the game. fargers.
It's ompleetyly unnessicary for them to suck this much. farging iceholes need to get some bullpen help now.
Quote from: Munson on May 25, 2007, 04:10:54 AM
M Mother farging Pgillies. I missed a shot on the last run of the game. fargers.
It's ompleetyly unnessicary for them to suck this much. farging iceholes need to get some bullpen help now.
Exactly 18 shots :-D
Quote from: Munson on May 25, 2007, 04:10:54 AM
M Mother farging Pgillies. I missed a shot on the last run of the game. fargers.
It's ompleetyly unnessicary for them to suck this much. farging iceholes need to get some bullpen help now.
Desperate cry for help ^^^^^^^^^
Quote from: Munson on May 25, 2007, 04:10:54 AM
M Mother farging Pgillies. I missed a shot on the last run of the game. fargers.
It's ompleetyly unnessicary for them to suck this much. farging iceholes need to get some bullpen help now.
End yourself.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 25, 2007, 03:27:49 AM
2. Coste will probably be sent back to Ottawa to make room for Howard. Although Barajas should have been left off the charter to ATL instead.
If I'm Coste and I get sent down to the minors while Barajas stays, I'm going to demand a trade or something. You know he's gotta be thinking wtf if he gets sent packing after watching Barajas single handedly give up a game tying and a go ahead run with poor defense. Pathetic.
No way the Phillies will eat Barajas's contract. Coste is the odd man out again for a lot of reasons most of which are inane and ridiculous.
PS: LOL @ Munson.
Coste has no trade value. Barajas might have some.
Who the hell wants Barajas?
Look. This team eats ass. Something always fargs it up. It might be the starting pitching one day, or the bullpen the next. The one day no one in the lineup will hit. Then one they'll leave 17 men on base. And Steve Smith will run them out of a big inning. Or Manuel will forget to double switch or empty his bench in the 8th inning. Or their catcher will be afraid to block the plate, or weakly but his arm out so the runner can kick the ball out of his glove. Or they'll give that catcher a $3 million deal in the offseason.
Something will always happen to keep them for being a complete team because they're a bunch of losers. Always have been, always will be.
Myers to the 15 day DL...Zagurski up from Reading
Howard off the DL...Coste down to reading
Barajas, still here
Coste to Reading is a good sign, actually. If they were intending to ship him out permanently he would have returned to Ottawa.
Hopefully a roster shakeup is forthcoming and Coste gets recalled permanently.
Zagurski
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So, who's the closer now? Alfonseca? I want to cry.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 25, 2007, 05:26:13 PM
So, who's the closer now? Alfonseca? I want to cry.
I'm heading to Atlanta now. School year's over, so I need a summer gig.
Well, you're probably every bit worth minimum MLB salary as much as Barajas is worth what he's making.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 25, 2007, 06:05:08 PM
Well, you're probably every bit worth minimum MLB salary as much as Barajas is worth what he's making.
I at least know how to block the damn plate. Barajas is an embarrassment to catchers everywhere.
Incompetence from the owner to the ballboys. I farging hate this team.
Hudson/Buddy Carlyle/Kyle Davies this weekend, and it looks like they'll miss Webb and Livan again...
seriously stop posting pitching matchups...the phillies arent good enough to be given wins vs ANY pitchers...oh and livan hernandez sucks so i dont even know why youre mentioning him as a pitcher youd wanna miss
CRANKY OLD NITPICKER IGNORAMUS
Greg Dobbs is a moron who was made to be a DH/PH.
Another great play in the field for him. And then Howard shows his great fielding prowess and allows the game to be tied up.
But hey, its all Charlie's fault, right?
Stupid players is what it is.
you must not watch this team every night douche...hello gregg dobbs...everything smart people said at the start of this year has come true...worst defense in the majors...cancerous lineup...travesty of a bullpen...
and then easy is gonna sit here on memorial day weekend and break down pitching matchups...like the phillies are so good that when they face the other teams weakest pitchers we should all get excited...this is a .500 team that can lose to kyle davies so easy and fast it will make your eyes crossed....stop the madness
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 25, 2007, 09:36:47 PM
Greg Dobbs is a moron who was made to be a DH/PH.
Another great play in the field for him. And then Howard shows his great fielding prowess and allows the game to be tied up.
But hey, its all Charlie's fault, right?
Stupid players is what it is.
why do you take the time to defend charlie manuel? he's indefensible...he's a pathetic manager who loses games for them.
manuel is phreaks new abreu...and fulkl disclosure: i was on the pro abreu bandwagon along with him...and i like him i was wrong...but at least with abreu you had numbers to back up your side...and some out of control haters on the other side to make you look good...but in the end i was totally wrong
but jesus like you said sun charlie manuel is indefensible...i mean how does one argue for the worst manager in the majors and worst manager most of us have ever seen
yikes
its not manuel bad vs. manuel good. its manuel is the reason theyre bad vs. the players are why theyre bad, and manuel certainly doesnt help
there is no good manuel....thats the point
thats not what i was even saying.
you think you could email me with what youre really saying?
Only if we can make out first.
Quote from: SunMo on May 25, 2007, 09:59:15 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 25, 2007, 09:36:47 PM
Greg Dobbs is a moron who was made to be a DH/PH.
Another great play in the field for him. And then Howard shows his great fielding prowess and allows the game to be tied up.
But hey, its all Charlie's fault, right?
Stupid players is what it is.
why do you take the time to defend charlie manuel? he's indefensible...he's a pathetic manager who loses games for them.
I defend him because the amount of shtein he catches is more than what he should. I'll say it again; he is not the best manager nor is he even in the top half of the best in the ML, but he is not as horrible as he is made out to be.
It's the players. Because under Mr. Philadelphia God, Larry Bowa, the same mistakes were made. And Bowa, who was worshipped (and for the record I liked because he wouldn't take shtein), used to use the bullpen the same way. But yet Charlie is killed and Bowa was not. Why is that? It is because Charlie is ripped for being a good ol' southern boy. The majority of the fans hear WIP gettin' on him and they follow suit and that drives me nuts.
These players would be doing the same things whether Leyland was in the dugout or whomever you can name as better than Charlie. People will say "but Leyland won't take any shtein" well, neither did Bowa and what did that do to help? It made us feel good to hear Larry rip players and Dallas Green still does it, but it didn't make them play any better.
Hell, Gillick criticizes his 3-4-5 hitters and then is called into Monty's office and chastised for ripping them. What sense does that make? None. So not only are the players dumb, but so is the front office people who draft and sign these players.
I do not believe managers lose games, I believe players do. Charlie can't help them field balls. Charlie can't make them get clutch hits with RISP. Charlie can't throw strikes, etc.
And the popular comeback to those points is "well, the manager is the guy who should instruct them". And to that I say; yeah, he is. But that instruction only goes so far. The players are still the ones who have to get it done, right? Charlie (or any manager) can talk until they are blue in the face about fundamentals but it is the players who have to play, not the managers.
Maybe I would agree that Charlie is bad if these players all of a sudden got bad once Bowa left, but they had the same problems when Larry was here. Shoddy pitching, shoddy defense and no clutch hitting.
I can promise that no one reads that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 25, 2007, 10:36:02 PM
there is no good manuel....thats the point
That sums it up nicely
Quote from: rjs246 on May 26, 2007, 01:18:41 AM
I can promise that no one reads that.
Correct. (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/didntread4gd.gif)
settle down, igy. I was just pointing out that the Phils are facing a no-name AAA pitcher today on FOX and have Cole going against Kyle Davies tomorrow, which are two winnable games. I also threw Livan's name out there because he's beaten the Phils 10 times in his career, including 2 complete games.
A quick note about last night's game: if this Zagurski kid continues to pitch well, he could be a Philadelphia favorite. Philly loves fat athletes...
QuoteFor now, expect less pregame glad-handing from the Phillies. Manuel seemed disgusted at all of the posturing that went on in the sixth inning, after Dontrelle Willis threw behind Jon Lieber (in retaliation for the same) then taunted the Phillies' dugout when the inning ended.
"That wasn't a fight," Manuel said scornfully. "It's a fight when you fight."
Manuel believes the many friendships between the players on the teams kept the confrontation from escalating; that the Phillies maybe ate too much crow from the Marlins in the first place.
"If there's bad blood, there shouldn't be all that kissy-facing and high-fiving before the game," Manuel said. "When you put on this uniform, it's a fight."
Yes, Manuel understands that the game has changed since he played in the 1970s and '80s. Free agency, trades, the network of youth and amateur all-star teams, shared agents and more players playing in college often leads to allegiances between players whose pro teams are bitter rivals.
Wes Helms is a perfect example. A Marlin last season, Helms, 31, is with his fourth National League organization and in his 14th professional season. He knows a lot of people, but doesn't believe he fraternizes too much.
"There's a fine line. You say, 'Hello. Good Luck.' You don't go over there and hug 'em," Helms said. "I think, sometimes, it goes on a little more than it should."
MDS' boy Marcus Hayes has some good news for him;
QuoteIt's OK to look now
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
ATLANTA - Good news for Jewish Phillies fans:
Maalox is now kosher.
The Phillies' anxiety-laden hijinx continued for a fourth straight game last night when they blew a sixth-inning lead.
This time, the miscues didn't cost the Phillies a win; they overcame their latest follies with an 8-3 win over the Braves, the first of a three-game series here.
That's because they tacked two runs on Tim Hudson in the seventh; two more from the bat of healed MVP Ryan Howard in the eighth off Tyler Yates; and one from Jayson Werth on a pinch-hit homer in the ninth off Peter Moylan.
Even with a solid outing from Jamie Moyer - seven innings, two earned runs, now 5-3 - ineptness afield dampened the win.
"Yeah. That's the way you play," manager Charlie Manuel cracked, dripping sarcasm. "Just pick it up and fire it around."
With Braves on second and third and one out in the sixth, Jeff Francoeur grounded sharply to the left of third baseman Greg Dobbs.
Oddly, Kelly Johnson chose to not go home; instead, he froze a few feet off third, awaiting Dobbs' throw. Meanwhile, Martin Prado broke from second, crossing Dobbs about the time Dobbs fielded the ball.
Dobbs had no play on Prado. He assumed Johnson had broken for home.
Shortstop Jimmy Rollins did not effectively inform Dobbs that he should hold the ball and get one of the lead runners: "I heard Jimmy yelling something."
Dobbs threw to first and got Francoeur.
Howard, in his first game back off the 15-day disabled list, twirled, double-clutched, then fired home, way late to get Johnson. His throw went wild, allowing Prado to score, too.
Instead of no runs, runners on first and third and two out, two runs scored to tie the game.
"I probably shouldn't have made the throw," Howard acknowledged.
The play mirrored some bizarre events in the three-game series the Phillies just finished in Florida - which left Manuel so frustrated, he refused to discuss it after the finale Thursday.
Manuel was less frustrated last night, in part because Howard was back.
Rollins' doubles in the first and third fueled the 3-1 lead the Phillies took into the sixth. Howard lined out to end the first, flied out to centerfield to strand two runners in the third and struck out to strand two more in the fifth.
With one out in the seventh, Hudson hit Chase Utley, unleashed a wild pitch to open first base, and then intentionally walked Howard. Pat Burrell's flyout and Aaron Rowand's walk brought Dobbs to the plate.
He singled off first baseman Scott Thorman's glove, scoring Utley and Howard for a 5-3 lead.
Howard had to score from second on the play. It was his harshest test of the left thigh strain that sent him to the DL.
"My leg felt great," Howard said. "I didn't feel anything running the bases."
That lead moved to 7-3 in the eighth. With runners on first and second, two outs and light-hitting rookie Michael Bourn on deck, the Braves let Yates pitch to Howard. He doubled to right-centerfield.
"The double felt great," Howard said, noting that he felt focused in his earlier at-bats as well.
In front of a boisterous cheering section of some 20 devotees, rookie lefty Mike Zagurski, a Class A standout 13 days before, pitched a perfect eighth. His girlfriend, aunt and uncle, all Atlantans, were there, as well as his parents, who flew in from Omaha, Neb., and his brother, who flew in from New Mexico, and a buddy from Boston.
Zagurski filled the roster space of injured closer Brett Myers, who hit the 15-day disabled list with a right shoulder strain suffered Wednesday.
Werth then smacked his third homer, all since Tuesday. Yoel Hernandez dealt a smooth ninth.
Smooth . . . like a minty antacid.
I hate Barajas more each day. Dude is not only a thief, a coward and a zesty baseball player but he should just keep his mouth taped shut.
He said that the wind played a part in Lieber throwing behind Dontrelle.
Dude....go Hancock yourself. Please.
QuoteDude....go Hancock yourself. Please.
:-D
I'm stealing that shtein blind.
Barajas made the first and last out of the 3rd inning
Renteria is wearing Eaton out. Losers still up 5-4 thanks to Chase Ruth.
There's a couple of little punks sitting behind the Braves dugout wearing Phillies jerseys. Of course, Daddy's letting them stand up and wave, talk on the cell phone to mimsy, hold up Aramark signs and generally makes fools of themselves.
I hate them almost as much as I hate the idiot PBP douche on Fox. He makes Wheels sound soothing.
3 outs away from being over .500 for the first time this year :paranoid
SIXTOE!
Bums win.
I hate to keep harping on the fans in the stands but did anyone else notice the fat pigs sitting behind first plate? There was like five them and they weighed at least 1,000 pounds between the five. Holy shtein, Atlanta women... ever heard of a salad??
:-D
Alfonseca's first save in 5 years
At least Cholly didn't trot out Geowhizzer.
Pretty solid win. But that zesty bullpen is a ticking time bomb of implosion.
Quote from: MDS on May 26, 2007, 07:25:33 PM
Pretty solid win. But that zesty bullpen is a ticking time bomb of implosion.
He chose Temple.
Quote from: FastFreddie on May 26, 2007, 07:22:58 PM
At least Cholly didn't trot out Geowhizzer.
My knuckleball and 50 mph fastball would have been too much for them.
Bums up 4-0
Howard 2-run HR
Dobbs 2-run HR
They're still zesty.
9-1 :paranoid
Last 3-game sweep in Atlanta was 21 years ago
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 25, 2007, 09:09:12 PM
Hudson/Buddy Carlyle/Kyle Davies this weekend, and it looks like they'll miss Webb and Livan again...
seriously stop posting pitching matchups...the phillies arent good enough to be given wins vs ANY pitchers
:-*
IGY's point still stands. It doesn't matter which pitchers are going for the other team if the offense decides to choke on it, the defense is boneheaded, and the bullpen blows leads.
But that's true for any team. You had to like the Phils' chances facing a AAA guy and a pitcher who was 0-3 with an ERA over 17.00 coming into today.
Phillies putting foot to ass in this series.
Even Cole's getting into the act with a sac fly. I love hearing the Braves announcers acting like there's a wake in progress.
:-D
I love watching Mike Bourn fly around the bases. His baltimore chop was cool to see since he was almost at first by the time the P got the ball.
Howard looks recovered too...he hit it hard yesterday and today.
Andruw and Renteria pulled from the game
11-3, bottom of the 7th
Howard crushes his 2nd HR of the day....CF shot
13-3
Choke Dawg!
here comes the rally :paranoid
"not impossible... inevitable"
Condrey has no business being on a major league roster.
Just awful.
13-6 final :yay
Gained no ground on the Mets (stupid Marlins), but now they're only 2 behind the Braves
Choke Dog goes yard for the 3rd time in 2 games. :yay
Phils still trailing 3-1 going into the top of the 8th.
They're Average!!
Ignoramus care to admit that Howard is good? No? Maybe?
the black adam dunn....yeah hes good....he just will never approach what he did last year...get over it and be happy with what you have...the phillies have a very good classic four hole hitter and youre more pre occupied about him not ever again being what he was last year instead of being happy about his positives....he could be pat burrell
Goddamn Ryan Madson blew it tonight. Don't give up those 2, they win.
Or if Vic, Utley and/or Howard get Rollins in after his leadoff double.
Dobbs is clutch.
Freddy pitched very well outside of that HR to Jackson.
interesting 9th, eh?
What a shame. Too bad their zesty bullpen let them down again. I thought Barajas left the yard at the end.
Ah well...
That entire 9th inning pretty much summarizes the Phillies.
Quote from: MDS on May 28, 2007, 10:02:17 PM
That entire 9th inning pretty much summarizes Philly sports.
The pitch that Howard struck out on in the 9th was a thing of beauty. It looked like a whiffle ball screwball. He simply had no chance there.
Bourn proved conclusively that he needs more seasoning in the Minors. With his speed he could have scored easily if he kept running or at least made an aggressive turn at 2nd.
Also - is it Dobbs or Hobbs out there right now? :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 28, 2007, 10:09:09 PM
Bourn proved conclusively that he needs more seasoning in the Minors. With his speed he could have scored easily if he kept running or at least made an aggressive turn at 2nd.
He needs to learn to watch his 3rd base coach and not the play
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 28, 2007, 09:59:16 PM
Goddamn Ryan Madson blew it tonight. Don't give up those 2, they win.
Or if Vic, Utley and/or Howard get Rollins in after his leadoff double.
Dobbs is clutch.
Freddy pitched very well outside of that HR to Jackson.
Stop. If the offense showed up at ALL before the bottom of the 9th it would have been a moot point.
Madson had Clark struck out on a pretty pitch the ump didn't call, he then walked him and the wheels feel off
Another quality moment from Sarge last night:
CW camera shows a new fan group, "Ruiz's Raisins" (awful), where a couple of guys are wearing those 80's California Raisin costumes
Wheels: "That's a California raisin."
Sarge: "How can you tell?"
Wheels: "It said so on his shirt."
Sarge: "Oh....thought maybe it was because of the taste..."
Wheels: "Nah"
Sarge: "...or the texture."
Sarge was babbling about something in the bottom of the 9th and Harry cut him off at the knees. Just before Harry cut him off I was thinking to myself, 'wow - thanks for the deep thoughts, Jack Handey.' :-D
If the Phillies are doing what I think they're doing (forcing Harry out) then putting him in a booth with mushmouth and the rug would be the way to do it. If it's unbearable for us to listen to, can you imagine how bad it must be for a guy like Harry?
Sad.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 29, 2007, 11:28:02 AM
Another quality moment from Sarge last night:
CW camera shows a new fan group, "Ruiz's Raisins" (awful), where a couple of guys are wearing those 80's California Raisin costumes
Wheels: "That's a California raisin."
Sarge: "How can you tell?"
Wheels: "It said so on his shirt."
Sarge: "Oh....thought maybe it was because of the taste..."
Wheels: "Nah"
Sarge: "...or the texture."
I heard that. I found it hysterical.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 29, 2007, 07:31:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 28, 2007, 09:59:16 PM
Goddamn Ryan Madson blew it tonight. Don't give up those 2, they win.
Or if Vic, Utley and/or Howard get Rollins in after his leadoff double.
Dobbs is clutch.
Freddy pitched very well outside of that HR to Jackson.
Stop. If the offense showed up at ALL before the bottom of the 9th it would have been a moot point.
Yes, but that is why they have a bottom of the 9th, to be able to score runs. The fact is that the offense stunk all game, Garcia pitched well enough to win and then Madson came in and shtein himself AGAIN.
Lieber got pounded for five runs in the second.
Phillies down 5-1 in the home half of the third inning.
Go team.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 29, 2007, 08:05:20 PM
Lieber got pounded for five runs in the second.
Phillies down 5-1 in the home half of the third inning.
Go team.
Don't worry, Pat Burrell is up with two on....
:-D
sweep the braves get swept by the diamondbacks
They're Average!!
How many effing jerseys to the Diamondbacks have?
sixty two!
Classic Phils; sweep a team and then not be able to build on it.
Also classic Phils is the struggling w/ scoring runs after having a 10+ run game (ATL on Sun)
D-Backs pitcher just took out the third baseman.
Utley hits a dinker into center... 5-3 douchebacks.
Howard walks, first and second, one out and Padrino Burrellino is up.
I say he hits a three-run dinger right here, right now.
Or an inning-ending double play. Definitely one of the two.
Gas Can Geary at it again.
Goodnight.
I love getting into arguments about Patty Pat Pat with sabermetric nerds like BillyBeane. They defend him to the ends of the earth, then when he does his consistent inning ending double play or rally killing pop-up, it get struck up as bad luck. Yet, all those meaningless solo homers when the game is out of reach and all those walks make him a good player. Idiots.
Lost to Doug f'ing Davis and Micah f'ing Owings and need to beat Randy Johnson to avoid a sweep. That's new.
If Greg Dobbs makes a good throw they are out of that inning...just like last night when they had two outs, it blows up in their faces. Madson had two down last night and Geary tonight. Jeezus this team is infuriating.
the lineup blows and the defense is worse...you cant have bad offense and defense and expect to win...their occasional double digit run game plus solid starting pitching will keep them around .500 but no more
It was good hearing Harry the K again last night... takes me back.
But I can see where Sarge gets the moniker "Mushmouth." I can barely understand him.
And Wheeler gets the "husband ears," so I have no idea what he said. He sounds too much like a woman.
Harry the K would be better off doing a Vin Scully and going it alone than with Sarge and Wheeler.
No Howard in the lineup. Not sure if it's only because of Randy Johnson...
WELL FIND OUT MR. INFORMATION
choke dog is brutal against lefties...well more brutal than his overall 218 average...i think 130 against them?
anyway good decision cause unit is ownage tonight....phils look ridiculously overmatched...righty and lefty
huge break for the fightins.....looks like the unit might be out of the game
Bums
take comfort in the fact that i have unit and burnsy on my fantasy team
kill Bourn?
Well I get in for free and got a free burger. And the game was boring outside of the 9th. And some old couple smooched on kiss cam (diomedes?). And that's about it.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 30, 2007, 09:54:44 PM
kill Bourn?
Maybe Cholly was playing hit and run there?
:-D
Is Mike Bourn retarded? Seriously.
Yes. And yes.
SUN!!
get down to the game STAT!!
one roger w. waters is signing the national anthem tonight
rawk!!
i heard...you suck for picking tomorrow instead of today
You both suck for going to watch them.
yeah, saturday night at a baseball game drinking beers and eating hot dogs is so dumb
ive been trying and i cant think of anything worse to do
O&A were talking about the Mets and Barry Bonds this morning, they started how no one could top NY. Then they looked and saw the Giants were coming to Philly. They started bagging up and saying that no one can bring it like philly. Made me Proud :yay :yay
ummm sarge??
wanna tickey?
I come home and it's 13-0. Boo.
I turned it off at 8-0. Looking at the score, I can tell I didn't miss much.
watching Cole Hamels makes me want to punch Gavin Floyd in the skull.
Quote from: MURP on June 02, 2007, 09:16:22 PM
watching Cole Hamels makes me want to punch Gavin Floyd in the skull.
Reading you type Gavin Floyd's name makes me want to punch anyone in the skull, what a waste of talent.
fun night at the ball yard
About the only thing I care about for the rest of this season is Cole getting 20 wins and a Cy Young at the end of the year. He is the first pitcher in the NL to 8 wins. :yay
Didn't Carlton pick up a Cy Young during what was otherwise a pretty bad season for the Phils back in the mid/late 70's?
I think so, but I am too lazy to look it up.
1972 - he was 27-10 and the team was 59-97
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 03, 2007, 01:25:27 PM
Didn't Carlton pick up a Cy Young during what was otherwise a pretty bad season for the Phils back in the mid/late 70's?
1972. Carlton went 27-10, including 15 wins in a row. The Phillies as a team won only 59 games, so Carlton won 45% or so of the games.
that year was incredible...41 starts and 37 decisions, 30 complete games, 346 IP, 17 home runs allowed, 310 strikeouts, 1.97 ERA
just incredible
then the next year he goes 13-20
Quote from: SunMo on June 03, 2007, 01:48:37 PM
then the next year he goes 13-20
And that began his "Silent Steve" era, because he got pissed off at Bill Conlin.
ha....Sal Fasano started a Toronto rally yesterday with a bunt single down the 3rd base line
Utley and Rowand just put the Phils ahead 3-2...5th inning
...and just like that, it's 5-3 Giants. Garcia sucks ass
Nice to see Cholly leaving Garcia in to work through those problems. He really has been a revelation this year.
Only 2 more there. Get some runs you losers.
choke dawg!
Molina's reaction :-D
Ryan Madson is God.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 03, 2007, 04:08:18 PM
Ryan Madson is God.
he was until the last two batters. :boom
farg you, farg you, farg you and farg you!
Madson and Alf combine to farg it up. Again. 8-8 btm 9 for the top of the order.
6-finger strikes again
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 03, 2007, 04:37:10 PM
6-finger strikes again
I think that was the name of the kung fu movie that was on the other night at 2 AM on channel 14.
This bullpen is amazing. There is no one who is capable of nailing a game down at this point. No one.
Come on Rollins. End this farger.
Victorino!
Flyin' Hawaiian!
Victorino owns the Giants.
The Happy Hawaiian Hits a Homer!
LOLOLOL! Shaving cream, baby! :-D
Shane gets his head completely covered in shaving cream by Eaton and Werth
YES!
On Victorino Hula Figurine Day to boot!
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 03, 2007, 04:46:22 PM
Shane gets his head completely covered in shaving cream by Eaton and Werth
damn that's gotta sting. hope it's the sensitive skin variety.
what a roller coaster. exciting win but my lord the bullpen :puke
Yep - the bullpen is an abortion.
That's why we should be extra happy when they win because the bullpen is going to steal more losses from the jaws of victory than any of us can stand this year.
Still laughing at Eaton & Werth... Jesus guys.
:-D
I normally like it when the Phillies celebrate like kids, but today it irritated me. When you get to 10 games above .500 you can act like idiots.
NGM,
You're gonna kill for me for this one, but when we were growing up here my parents bought my brother and I a beat up old VW Diesel Rabbit to be our surf mobile. We took that to the beach back in the late 70's and early 80's and beat the crap out of it. I put a bunch of Eagles and Sixers window stickers on the back hatch window. I found a Phillies sticker and it was the one you have as your proud pix. As it was the only Phillies sticker I had it was going on the Rabbit. My brother was so pissed when he came home from college and the car looked like my shrine to philly. I have got to go find a picture at my parents home of that car. Priceless.
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070603/capt.a81ab82c157646c0b4f60078e20c2976.giants_phillies_baseball_pagw112.jpg) (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070603/capt.d30506a5746a4d7cb7bbb76163cbfead.giants_phillies_baseball_pagw111.jpg)
Back at .500 (again)
From someone on the EMB...
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2504/buttsecksqa2.jpg)
Quote from: Don Ho on June 03, 2007, 06:20:33 PM
NGM,
You're gonna kill for me for this one, but when we were growing up here my parents bought my brother and I a beat up old VW Diesel Rabbit to be our surf mobile. We took that to the beach back in the late 70's and early 80's and beat the crap out of it. I put a bunch of Eagles and Sixers window stickers on the back hatch window. I found a Phillies sticker and it was the one you have as your proud pix. As it was the only Phillies sticker I had it was going on the Rabbit. My brother was so pissed when he came home from college and the car looked like my shrine to philly. I have got to go find a picture at my parents home of that car. Priceless.
If I had that bumper sticker lying around and a car that actually worked, there is no chance that sticker wouldn't be on my car.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1970s-Philadelphia-Phillies-Bumper-Sticker-4-X-14_W0QQitemZ170114239297QQihZ007QQcategoryZ25147QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/1970s-Philadelphia-Phillies-Bumper-Sticker-4-X-14_W0QQitemZ170114239297QQihZ007QQcategoryZ25147QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem)
Merry Christmas NGM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 04, 2007, 10:29:30 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/1970s-Philadelphia-Phillies-Bumper-Sticker-4-X-14_W0QQitemZ170114239297QQihZ007QQcategoryZ25147QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/1970s-Philadelphia-Phillies-Bumper-Sticker-4-X-14_W0QQitemZ170114239297QQihZ007QQcategoryZ25147QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem)
Merry Christmas NGM
And here's the perfect car (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-2-Door-hatch-back-1979-chevy-chevette_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6173QQihZ004QQitemZ140123212903QQrdZ1) to put it on.
Lieber is still fat f'ing garbage
6-1 Giants, stretch time
Trade him and Garcia for a bag of dead cats.
if you need a bag of dead cats, let me know. i can get that in like fifteen minutes.
Conlin:
Quote
UNSOUND EFFECTS
DUMBPLAYS FAMILIAR THEME FOR PHILLIES
THE PHILLIES are like the movie you walk into in the middle. You watch until the end and hang around for the next showing, so you can catch the entire film.
Early in the second time around, the realization smacks you upside the head: You have seen this movie many times before. Much of the cast has changed, but the plot has varied little. The unsatisfying ending is always the same. Another team always gets the girl and rides off into the sunset. The Phillies always muff the baby dropped from the burning building, get stopped on the one with time running out and find out that the fifth person they meet in heaven is only Ed Wade.
So forget about it, Jake. This really is Chinatown. And in this version, "Chinatown" meets "Groundhog Day."
No matter how bizarre the scenes are as they unfold day to day and year to year, there is a numbing sameness to the end result. It is always the final Sunday of the season. And the win total is always remarkably similar. In the past six seasons of the Bowa-Manuel era, the Phillies have won 86, 80, 86, 86, 88 and 85 games. That computes to an average of 85.17, a solid "B" report-card grade. But in the unforgiving world of the National League, it computes to an "F" and represents no East Division pennants and zero wild-card berths.
If you walked into this horror show after the first 56 games a year ago, the Phillies would have been sitting on a 29-27 record in second place, only 4 1/2 games behind the not-yet-runaway Mets.
Walking into yesterday's Money Pit matinee, an untidy 8-1 loss, the Phils were at 28-28 after Sunday's manically amusing Shane Victorino Hula-off home run beat the ancient Giants.
So, yesterday was their chance to go far out of character and kick the intensity up a notch, to win the bleeping four-game series. Take that 3-1 advantage to Shea Stadium, then snarl into interleague play.
No need for the director to holler "Cut." This result was already in the can. And anybody who has been watching this walking example of repetitive stress disorder knew where the game was headed after Chase Utley provided the obligatory "What the hell was he thinking?" dumb play of the day.
Jimmy Rollins and Victorino greeted Giants ace Barry Zito with singles in the first inning. Chase Utley, who can knock a ball into the seats in any field, dropped down a bunt that went directly to Zito. Rollins and Victorino scampered into scoring position on the "sacrifice." Giants skipper Bruce Bochy was holding up four fingers before Ryan Howard left the on-deck circle. Hey, a gaffe a day keeps the phone calls in play.
Zito did what former Cy Young Award winners do. Jayson Werth flied to shallow right and Aaron Rowand tapped weakly to Zito.
Stop the movie . . . Anybody else want to leave this theater of the absurd?
Because Utley appeared to square a trace before attempting to squib the bunt to the third-base side of the lefthander, it appeared he might have been obeying a bunt sign ordered by manager Charlie Manuel. Manuel had taken a lot of grief on this miserable 2-5 homestand for playing the infield up in the second inning of yesterday loser Jon Lieber's previous start. The strategy backfired and the Diamondbacks scored five runs on seven hits in the inning on the way to an 11-5 blowout. The decision was put under a fan and media microscope, because Manuel previously explained he had used injured closer Brett Myers in a non-save situation because "it's so easy to score runs in our ballpark."
Then why so much caution in Lieber's second inning?
And why a bunt in the first inning yesterday by the team's most consistent hitter with the wind blowing to right and a chance to pin a crooked number on Zito? Even more puzzling, Utley was a career 2-for-3 against Zito with two doubles and an RBI. Lefthanded batters have hit .313 against Barry this season. (Righthanded hitters are batting .207.)
Manuel heard it from the Greek chorus behind the Phillies' dugout during the intentional walk to Howard.
"They were on me pretty good back there," Charlie said.
Utley was bunting on his own, of course, a decision that suggests a hitter's version of what John Kruk once graphically described with cameras rolling as a "brain [flatulence]." Kruk forgot how many outs there were out in leftfield. Utley forgot what happens when an open first base creates a chance for a manager to walk Barry Bonds East.
On the list of "Crimes Against Fundamentals" this team is piling up, Utley's bunt was a first-degree misdemeanor. At least, Charlie acknowledged, Chase had a plan, however flawed.
"He was trying to make something happen. I guess he thought with a lefthander out there, they wouldn't walk Howard. But he was bunting for a hit."
No Utley chew-out on the spot. The manager considered it a lesser offense than Rowand's rally-killing caught stealing against the D-backs. Aaron heard about it right away. A jury of his jeerers handled Sunday's 5-meter jog of Senor Sweat, Freddy Garcia.
At one end of the Phillies' spectrum, there is a bonehead play by Utley, a mega-gamer who gives up his body and lays out at all times. At the other, we have a soft-tossing and costly Pat Gillick acquisition who is rapidly becoming the Lance Parrish of pitchers.
But each reel of "Chinatown Meets Groundhog Day" seems to produce its distinctive villain. Just count backward 6 years, starting with Pat Burrell, Bobby Abreu and all the usual suspects from the Ed Wade Era.
Poor Charlie . . . It's looking more and more as if this movie will end at the Canned Film Festival with the manager getting the Palm d' Door.
Every the excuses for why I keep watching, even though I shouldn't come earlier than the year before.
This year it's that I paid for the MLB Extra Innings on Direct TV. The other night when Zagurski pegged the infield, and Pat the Bat tossed on behind himself I called it quits on the season. Right on cue they drop the next game 8-1. I'll keep watching, but drinking more and caring less each game.
Quote from: PPinDC on June 05, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
I'll keep watching, but drinking more and caring less each game.
that's my philosophy on baseball too, except for the watching part, i don't do that much either.
They'll somehow win 2 of 3 in New York and sweep Kansas City and we'll be back on the bandwagon, damnit
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 05, 2007, 05:37:34 PM
They'll somehow win 2 of 3 in New York and sweep Kansas City and we'll be back on the bandwagon, damnit
No, they'll sweep the Mutts, getting our hopes up. Then they'll get swept by the @&@#*&@# Royals.
1-2-3 1st...
lol at the mets announcers talking about how hideous glavine has been in the first inning of his last five games and needing an easy one
enter the phillies
nine pitch inning doesnt break a sweat
fightins = cure all
1-2-3 1st for the Mets too
im an idiot
why did i trade glavine in fantasy right before he faces the phils
2-0 Mets
game over
for anyone watching the mets telecast can you believe the histrionics they are going thru with the play at the plate...its unbelievable how they wont leave it alone...farging bitches
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2007, 07:38:31 PM
for anyone watching the mets telecast can you believe the histrionics they are going thru with the play at the plate...its unbelievable how they wont leave it alone...farging bitches
He tried to trip Delgado!
And they're playing it again. :-D
BTW, I think it's Ron Darling &/or Keith Hernandez on color. Some schmuck doing pbp.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2007, 07:38:31 PM
for anyone watching the mets telecast can you believe the histrionics they are going thru with the play at the plate...its unbelievable how they wont leave it alone...farging bitches
How are you getting the Mets broadcast? I think I might prefer it to the sweet melodious voice of Sarge.
Quote from: NGM on June 05, 2007, 08:05:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2007, 07:38:31 PM
for anyone watching the mets telecast can you believe the histrionics they are going thru with the play at the plate...its unbelievable how they wont leave it alone...farging bitches
How are you getting the Mets broadcast? I think I might prefer it to the sweet melodious voice of Sarge.
I have MLB Extra Innings on DirecTV. They've played the Phils announcers three times this year (and this is the first three times in 8 years of having EI). They almost always play the opposing announcers.
You lucky SOB.
Also, commenting on something much more relevant, have you noticed the girl in the stands when right hand batters are in the box? She has her hair pulled back with huge hoop earrings, and clearly thinks she is very hot. She isn't at all. That being said I would very much like to gain carnal knowledge of her body.
How are you getting the Mets broadcast? I think I might prefer it to the sweet melodious voice of Sarge
i have the mlb package on the computer....i usually get phils announcers half the time...i dont know how they decide...id rather listen to king cole posts on tape over wheels and i actually like the mets announcers normally but that was embarrassing what they were doing on the ruiz wright play...as for sarge ive come around on him..i actually like him now
have you noticed the girl in the stands when right hand batters are in the box?
ill have to check that out...theres a guy behind the lefthanded batters in a gladiator outfit...i think hes a phillie fan but im not sure
I just hate when Wheels or Harry throw out a blatant setup for him to comment on, and he just remains silent. At first I thought it was hilarious now I just cringe.
team moron strikes again
ron darling analyzing the replay: "aww what is he doing...hes just running...not looking...oooooh he just doesnt know what hes doing...thats embarrassing"
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2007, 08:40:40 PM
team moron strikes again
Like Keith Hernandez said... embarrassing.
Well that was awesome. Way to go Burrell.
Quote from: NGM on June 05, 2007, 08:41:59 PM
Well that was awesome. Way to go Burrell.
<---- apparently lame in the foot and in the brain.
how gay is the Shea Stadium background music and that lame "Let's Go Met's" lead in?
every body clap your hands
I like the home plate umpire. Anything that is even remotely close to the strike zone is called a strike.
As for the Phillies, another game another example of a baseball team who looks like a monkey farging a football out there...
:-D
"Let's Go Mets" might be the gayest farging cheer ever conceived.
It ranks up there with "Hail To The taterskins" even...
:D
love the "back off bitch" look j roll gave rowand on that last pop up where they almost reenacted the previous debacle.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 05, 2007, 09:54:57 PM
every body clap your hands
(http://www.houseofdiabolique.com/hall/lamar/last.gif)
just about sums it up.
CHASE!
3-2 Phils. :yay
one run lead in an extra inning game on the road, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, yeah I feel confident.
Howard follows up Chase's dinger with the longest single in the history of the sport.
Way to leg it out there, big fella.
:-D
nice bondsesque move there ryan. strolling out of the box la de da.
Ol' Six-Fingers is warming up. Need about five more runs. :-\
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 05, 2007, 10:16:10 PM
Ol' Six-Fingers is warming up. Need about five more runs. :-\
swell.
The idiot in charge of the Mets PA was playing MFSB by The Sounds of Philly during the break.
:-D
Baberaham with the single through a drawn-in infield. 4-2 Bums.
it's nice the phils are winning but listening to the mets broadcast booth is worth every penny i spent on mlb.com
keith hernandez talking about the pretty pens a female viewer sent him, doesn't get any better.
They only got a two-run lead. With Ol' Six-Fingers, I don't know if that's enough.
They also made a pretty salient point about tomorrow's starter (Eaton) being sent in to run for Pat Burrell at third base.
At first I though Eaton was just running something out to Burrell, but then he stayed in to run for him. I've seen some crazy retarded shtein in my time, but that one takes the cake. A true head-scratcher even for the Phillies and Uncle Sotz.
Phils got this. Going back to watching The Shield.
You better farging pray you didn't just jinx them.
Idiot.
shane! nice try though.
If they lose, King Cole=ban
Phils win 4-2. Nunez made a nice play to throw out Reyes by a snatch hair to end the game.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 05, 2007, 10:35:30 PM
Phils win 4-2. Nunez made a nice play to throw out Reyes by a snatch hair to end the game.
Excellent play by Nunez. Thankfully Cholly's been playing for the better defense tonight.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 05, 2007, 10:32:20 PM
If they lose, King Cole=ban
i thought he was banned a long time ago?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 05, 2007, 10:00:26 PMAs for the Phillies, another game another example of a baseball team who looks like a monkey farging a football out there...
It could be worse. Check out the Rays highlights tonight
Ed - did you see the Eaton for Burrell pinch run switch? What the hell was that? ???
Edit - I can't watch the Rays game. It's blacked out here despite the fact they don't have a television contract to cover the games in my area. Man - MLB is a mess. :-D
Everyone is faster than Pat, so pick a pitcher. I think they should've gone with Hamels instead, but hey...
They couldn't use Bourn because he was already in for Howard, who may have aggravated his quad again :-\
Nice win, I thought they'd blow it
I can see a pinch runner but a pitcher and one who's scheduled to pitch TOMORROW?
Never seen that before. Ever.
News flash: Charlie isn't very bright
Rays were up 11-6 in the 9th and lost 12-11 after getting only 1 out :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 05, 2007, 10:41:36 PM
I can see a pinch runner but a pitcher and one who's scheduled to pitch TOMORROW?
Never seen that before. Ever.
I'm trying to remember who it was, but there was one pitcher for the Phillies some years back who was always being used as a pinch runner. Was it Bruce Ruffin or Don Carman?
Blast - 3 weeks of baby duty and I can't remember a darned thing. Kinda like Uncle Charlie.
Oh, man... I actually feel bad for the Devil Rays. They have no chance to compete in that division yet MLB keeps them there like convicts on death row.
:-D
Geo - I think it was Dennis Cook, actually...
Saw the 9th and extras. Looked like a good game. Cholly pinch running Eaton for Burrell is classic. He's pitching tomorrow. Good lord.
So what if Eaton is pitching tomorrow? Running the bases about 20 hours before you pitch is something so strenous that it would affect him? No way.
I wouldn't put Cole out there because what if there was a collision at home?
Lieber = yeah right
Garcia = not any faster
Moyer = already in the game
WHo else is there? You're not going to burn a RP in an extra inning game.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2007, 01:05:58 AM
So what if Eaton is pitching tomorrow? Running the bases about 20 hours before you pitch is something so strenous that it would affect him? No way.
I wouldn't put Cole out there because what if there was a collision at home?
I think the reason you just gave for not putting Cole out there is the same for Eaton. He's pretty much been the 2nd best pitcher on the team this year behind Hamels. So if there's a collision at home or something and he gets hurt, now you've got to pitch someone else on shorter rest. Hell, throw Condry out there and then pray for a collision.
Why not just keep Burrell at 3rd? The speed improvement from Eaton to Patricia is minimal at best. Manuel is an idiot. Though this move proved to be a waste of time. It didn't matter, so who cares.
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2007, 01:22:29 AM
Why not just keep Burrell at 3rd? The speed improvement from Eaton to Patricia is minimal at best. Manuel is an idiot. Though this move proved to be a waste of time. It didn't matter, so who cares.
When it comes down to it, you're right. Burrell's not the fastest guy out there but he is fast enough to score on most balls hit to the outfield.
Eaton is faster than Burrell. If they needed someone to score on a sac fly I take my chances with Eaton and the fact that he's pitching today verus lead-foot Pat.
And if Cole goes in and gets smoked in a collision; we all commit suicide.
If Eaton and his 6+ ERA gets hurt; call up someone else to be the 5th starter.
Risking the health of a starting pitcher is idiotic. Risking the health of a starting pitcher who is scheduled to start the NEXT DAY is Cholly-riffic.
There's no defending it, Jay. So stop.
I disagree. Eaton is nothing special and Burrell is slower than shtein. I don't give a rip if the guy is starting tonight or not. He was put in to run 90 feet. That is not going to effect his stamina for tonight and if it did he should be cut immediately. And if he got blown up in a collision...big whoop. Dude's got an ERA over 6 and only has something like 3 quality starts.
That's 2 more quality starts than Lieber and Garcia have combined. ;)
Phreak loves him some Charlie Manuel
As mediocre as Eaton is, there is no one at AAA who could do a better job. Phreak got off Manuel shriveled old nutsack.
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2007, 01:36:50 PM
As mediocre as Eaton is, there is no one at AAA who could do a better job. Phreak got off Manuel shriveled old nutsack.
I just looked at the Ottawa Lynx roster to try to argue with you since Eaton has been craptastic... but I really can't. :-\
Zach Segovia - Good minor league stats before this year- may be the closest the Phils have to being ready. 24 years old. Not doing it this year, though (1-6 at Ottawa).
J.D. Durbin - was a top Twins prospect at one time - was a FSL all star with Ryan Howard. The only one I've actually seen pitch - had good stuff. Hasn't put it all together. Did pitch in the majors this year for Diamondbacks (2/3 of an inning). Has a
94.50 ERA. :-D
J.A. Happ - Mediocre: 1-2, 4.09
Matt Childers - Haven't we seen him before? 4-1, 3.41
Brian Mazone - Is this Leo's kid? 3-2, 2.21 - Had great stats at Reading and Scranton last year. Most likely to be called up? One problem: He's 31 in July.
No one else even worth mentioning.
The pitching is so good at AAA they took a guy (Zagurski) who pitched at Clearwater a month ago and installed him in the bullpen.
But sure, pitching is plentiful enough to risk your #3 starter on a possible collision at the plate.
Is he the #3? Hamels, then Moyer are obvious. Lieber has been fairly average. Garcia has been a fat waste of time. Eaton has been pretty bad outside for some random quality starts. So he's the #5, since Garcia normally keeps them in the game (I say this as him giving up 5 runs in 5 innings, which does keep them in the game. Eaton's 7 runs in 3 innings does not).
Well, on any competent pitching staff he'd be a #6, but on this team, he's definitely #3 because Lieber has shtein the bed the past three starts & Garcia has been a disaster almost all season long.
Eaton's last two starts haven't been things of beauty (especially the last start) either but in my opinion he's still better than either of the other two fat slobs..
Lieber: 2-4, 4.50 ERA
8 starts
5 quality
3 fairly bad (4 over 6, 4 over 5, 5 over 6.2)
Phils: 2-6 in his starts
He also on gets 3.8 runs per start, but not in the games where he's pitched well
Eaton: 5-4, 6.28 ERA
11 starts
4 quality
3 fairly bad (4 over 6 three times)
4 abortions
Phils: 6-5 in his starts
He gets exactly 5 runs per game. That explains it.
Garcia: 1-4, 5.11 ERA
10 starts
6 quality (misleading. 3 are 3 over 6, 1 is 2 over 5, 1 is 2 over 5.2 and the other is the 3 over 8)
3 fairly bad (3 over 4.2, 4 over 4.2, 4 over 5)
1 abortion (6 over 5.1)
Phils: 5-5 in his starts
He gets 5.6 runs per game. I think much of this comes when he's long gone.
With the runs, it just averaged it out of the course of the game. I didn't bother looking up how many runs they had when they left the games, which is how I think run support is tabulated.
Anyway, to me, Eaton is the clear douche of the rotation. Lieber hasn't lost them any games. Garcia's problem is not getting out of the 6th. That's not good, obviously, but he normally gets them in games. Problem is, the bullpen sucks and they're gonna farg things up if they have to go 3 innings all the time.
lol....i cant believe you looked all that up
do you people ever watch the phillies?
eaton is clearly the weak link on the staff...altho leiber is closing on him
Eaton has Terry Mulholland syndrome, he'll give you 1 good start, 2 decent starts, and 1 horrendus start. Problem he's had this season is he's 1, 1, 2.
http://www.patmustgo.com/
Quote from: SunMo on June 06, 2007, 05:58:49 PM
http://www.patmustgo.com/
QuoteVillas Dave Los Angeles, CA A nice place to stay in L.A.
Hbionic?
Quote from: SunMo on June 06, 2007, 05:58:49 PM
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I had to check to see if that was Gillick or Burrell
Quote from: SunMo on June 06, 2007, 11:21:40 AM
Phreak loves him some Charlie Manuel
This has nothing to do with me liking Uncle Charlie. It has to do with not having a problem with that move. Randy Wolf used to be used as a PH on days before his starts. That is more "risky" since he could have easily taken a pitch off his hand and broken it. Other managers use pitchers in various ways. I had no beef with this move. And like I said earlier - who else was there to run? At that point in the game you know Burrell is coming out because Bourn was already in the game. And that run could have been important.
j-roll
Where's the Jimmy chant's now beatches
That's right Met fans, sit down and shut up. Thank you Mr. Rollins.
I love the trash that infests that dump of a stadium in Queens. The Mets have, by far, the trashiest fan base on this planet. Worse than Oakland. farg them.
Howard :o
farging Rowand is having such a good year
4-2 Phils. Billy Beane's favorite player rulez!
ha, good ol' Billy Beane, he couldn't have been more wrong about those two players
Billy is still right. Rowand is lucky and Burrell's babip and vorp are still great so you're all wrong. His OPS is amazing.
Madson had a nice 8th against the 3-4-5 hitters for the Mets.
I can't believe they've taken two from the Mets. Clutch hitting, good starting pitching... who is this team and why can't they manage to play like this more than 2-3 games in a row?
Nice fargin win, now sweep it Hamels
6 behind the Mets
5 behind the Diamondbacks (wildcard)
2.5 behind the Braves
Over .500 again
:paranoid
What the farg is BABIP? Is that really a stat?
And Jimmy shut those clowns up. Way to shove it up their asses, James.
I thought for sure ol' Gas Can was going to blow it but he does what he usually does; load the bases and then work out of the trouble.
King Cole = brooms out bitches
It should also be noted that Eaton dropped his ERA to a seemingly anemic 5.99.
QuoteMyers recounted a limousine drive to New York on Monday night with his wife and two children. Just before the limo reached the Lincoln Tunnel, it got a flat tire. The driver knew little about changing a tire, so Myers rolled up his sleeves and did it himself.
Also, Jon Lieber has another kid.
Quote from: MDS on June 06, 2007, 09:24:05 PM
I love the trash that infests that dump of a stadium in Queens. The Mets have, by far, the trashiest fan base on this planet. Worse than Oakland. farg them.
I was just watching the highlights and I noticed that too, MDS. Every person they focused on was obese and frighteningly ugly.
Weird.
what was that person on the 3rd base side, with the super pale face, ans stragglely hair. It kind of looked like the killer from "Last Action Hero"
Sitting right above the dugout, right? Yeah, I noticed that freak. Sadly, he wasn't the freakiest of the bunch. It's like the New York sewer system belched up all its rotted and bloated corpses and they collectively decided to catch a Mets game together.
I must be learning, because I'm not really excited right now. We all know they'll shtein the bed in the next series and the cycle will continue.
whats there to be excited about?...especially when they have to face back to back to back white sox tigers indians...they are gonna get blasted...how many runs is detroit and chicago gonna score in the bank....scary
im always excited in spring for baseball...but a week into the season you know exactly what the team is...
They have no business sweeping the Mets any more than they have losing five out of seven at home after sweeping the Braves.
This team is a walking clusterfarg and the only sane way to approach being a fan is to accept their mediocrity. In other words, get excited when they win, because, you know, they won, but at the same time keep it in the back of your mind that their next string of laughable play is right around the corner.
I'm not excited either. This is this team's MO. Although I am excited to see Hamels pitch tonight. I want to see if he can back up his "we will sweep the Mets" talk.
Should they come out of that CLE/DET/CHI mess with their heads above water then maybe I'll crack a smile.
getting excited when they win was 2001-02
getting excited and having pessimism in the background was 2003-05
not getting excited at all when they win is 2006-07
I don't see the point of watching at all if you can't get excited by them winning.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 07, 2007, 10:38:55 AM
I don't see the point of watching at all if you can't get excited by them winning.
Bingo.
I get into the games; I went nutzo when Rollins hit the HR. But then I think back to how they always have a zesty stretch of games after the hot streaks and it ruins my mood. They have to be consistent. And the lack of fundamentals displayed almost every night pisses me off too.
igy, check the standings. The Phils are better than the White Sox both record-wise and offensively. The Sox have the lowest runs scored in the majors...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 07, 2007, 10:51:47 AM
I get into the games; I went nutzo when Rollins hit the HR. But then I think back to how they always have a zesty stretch of games after the hot streaks and it ruins my mood. They have to be consistent. And the lack of fundamentals displayed almost every night pisses me off too.
It pisses me off when it happens as well, Jay. The Phillies got ass-raped the other night and I was annoyed as hell over it. I yelled out, 'you fargin bums suck' and shut the computer off. I rounded the corner from my office and my wife shook her head at me and said, 'why do you even bother watching them - all they do is piss you off.'
I honestly didn't have an answer for her other than I'm an addicted idiot and can't help myself.
I don't see the point of watching at all if you can't get excited by them winning
is this a joke question?
so when your teams suck you dont watch them anymore?
igy, check the standings. The Phils are better than the White Sox both record-wise and offensively. The Sox have the lowest runs scored in the majors...
you check the standings
ill be at the game watching those teams hit balls out of the bank
the phils would be 15 games under .500 in the american league
Since their 4-11 start the Phils have the best record in the NL. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
US Cellular is more of a hitters park than CBP and they still don't score runs. They suck this year, the pitching isn't as good, and Guillen is losing it. I'm not saying the Phils won't lose 2 out of 3 because they're frustrating as hell, but the White Sox are nowhere near the team that won the World Series...
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 07, 2007, 11:11:11 AM
I don't see the point of watching at all if you can't get excited by them winning
is this a joke question?
so when your teams suck you dont watch them anymore?
Way to miss the point. I said what's the point of watching if you can't get excited about them WINNING. I never mentioned them sucking.
R.I.F. doode.
so you got excited whenever the flyers won this year?
or did you just stop watching them?
The Phillies took a left handed pitcher with a history of arm troubles in the first round.
:-D
Joe Savery profile (http://riceowls.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/savery_joe00.html)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 07, 2007, 03:55:22 PM
The Phillies took a left handed pitcher with a history of arm troubles in the first round.
:-D
I thought it pretty funny when the crew was talking about Savery's injury history and Peter Gammons said something like "this guy has arm troubles but obviously the Phillies have done their homework."
Orly Pete? What in the Phillies long tortous history suggest that the Phils are on the ball?
That pick was very unsavery.
(Sorry - had to do it.)
10,000 losses says they're so wrong they're right
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 07, 2007, 04:01:20 PM
That pick was very unsavery.
(Sorry - had to do it.)
I would have preferred they pick Jessica Alba.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w=mms%3A//a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2007/open/draft/prospects/savery_joseph_400.wmv&vid=9383&pid=gen_video&cid=mlb&v=2&mType=w&urlstr=&mUrl=&type=v_free&_mp=1
some info....
* Rice lefties Cole St. Clair and Joe Savery have both had difficult seasons due to injury and have seen their draft stock drop as a result. With the recent plethora of injuries to former Rice pitchers teams have to be wary of either guy, but they'd both be first rounders based on talent alone. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or both drop to a big revenue team that can go over slot to get them signed. If they go to a team that wants
Across the bracket from Vanderbilt is No. 2 Rice. If the Owls showed one thing in their conference tourney and when I saw them against Texas State, it's that they can score. The Owls boast a deep lineup, but their pitching is a little suspect. Joe Savery has been inconsistent on the mound, and his performance as a pitcher probably holds the key to their postseason success. Most of these guys played in Omaha last year though, and Wayne Graham knows what he is doing. They should handle the likes of TCU, Baylor and Prairie View A&M with relative ease.
4. Joe Savery
Savery has had some injury issues but he has a good FB/CB combo. On the downside, the recent history of Rice pitchers, coupled with the injuries he's already had, does not inspire confidence that he will develop.
Mike: Joe Savery, LHP, Rice - Injury slowed junior campaign after a projected top 10 in the preseason, but he's coming around of late. This year's Ian Kennedy.
Rice first baseman/pitcher Joe Savery, pitchers Ryne Tacker and Ryan Berry and skipper Wayne Graham headline the list of league award winners as announced on Tuesday in Greenville, N.C., the site of the 2007 Conference USA Baseball Championship. Savery was named Player of the Year, Tacker grabbed Pitcher of the Year honors, Berry earned Freshman of the Year recognition and Graham took home his second straight Keith LeClair Conference USA Coach of the Year award. It marks the first time ever that a school has claimed all Player, Pitcher, Freshman and Coach of the Year awards in the same season. Newcomer of the Year honors, a brand-new award this season, went to Houston OF Jimmy Cesario. Voting was done by a panel consisting of each head coach, each team's sports information director and a media representative from each city.
Savery has shined as one of the top two-way performers in the country during his three years at Rice. One of 16 national semifinalists for the 2007 Dick Howser Trophy, Savery leads the team in batting average (.356), has 16 doubles, three home runs and 45 RBI (second on the team). He was especially strong against top-level competition, batting .377 in the Owls 19 games against nationally-ranked opponents. In working double-duty on the mound, Savery is 8-1 with a 2.41 ERA and his opponents' batting average is .228. The two-time All-American was named first team All-Conference USA as an infielder and earned second team All-C-USA honors as a pitcher.
That's it, I'm ordering a Savery jersey
Bums took a defensive Catcher with the 37th pick: Travis d'Arnaurd (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2007/tracker.jsp?mc=darnaud)
There's a reason I wasn't rubbing it in your faces when Burrell started off well.
There's a possiblity that Burrell's injuries have finally caught up to him and he is breaking down, all well. It doesn't make you any less retarded for thinking that he had a bad year last year and it doesn't change the fact that Rowand has been pretty lucky so far and it will even out soon. He will still have a good stat line, but his BA/OBP will probably drop pretty quick.
There's a possiblity that Burrell's injuries have finally caught up to him and he is breaking down
bahahahaha
Mets-killer Jimmy Rollins drives in Nunez to put the Phils up 1-0.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 07, 2007, 06:58:26 PM
There's a possiblity that Burrell's injuries have finally caught up to him and he is breaking down
bahahahaha
Yea, you're probably right.
Once Burrell starts getting luckier his line will go back towards his career norms.
come on charlie get yourself a nice long suspension like for the rest of the year
And Cole blows up in the 6th...
the only criticizm you can have of him is this is like the third time this year hes been shaken up for no real apparent reason and cant get out of it...if im not mistaken its happened in the 6th inning everytime....maybe the 5th once
Ahahahahahaah!! PATTY!!
TIE BALLGAME!
RAT!
Patricia jacked it! :o
Billy Wags = Rat.
I wonder if Burrell battled through those tough, tough injuries like BillyBeane says he has to hit that HR?
I don't like the dude, but Pat came through huge. And off of a guy who he talked shtein to via the press.
phreak you know youd give your left leg to have wags on the phils tho.....as would i
Wes Helms eats cock.
Helms does suck the nuts.
I hate Pat the Bat as much as anyone, but good for him. farg you Wagner. corksucker.
Now for the Phils bullpen to shtein the game away.
Zagurski.
Fat boy on a diet....don't try it. I don't think I'm going to be able to watch.... :poison
Atta baby, Utley.
Jimmy almost had a monumental error by straying too far off of 2nd on the bunt.
4-3 Phightins
So, which arsonist is going on the hill in the 10th?
Philly fans makin noise in NY
Yitta freakin dee!! ;D
you gotta be kidding me!!! this is unbelievable
Watching Howard run is pathetic. Burrell is faster. Heck, my daughter is faster, and she's only three weeks old.
Rowand and Burrell come up big.
6-3 now. IBB to load 'em up...keep piling this shtein on
PAT THE BAT!
shut em down, shut em down.
Ol' Six Fingers out for two in a row...
crazy game. missed most of it but it seems good now. farg this team is now gonna be swept by kc.
Quote from: MDS on June 07, 2007, 10:22:08 PM
crazy game. missed most of it but it seems good now. farg this team is now gonna be swept by kc.
i just said the same thing. mets announcers crying how the phils get to go to KC and the "Mess" have to go to Detroit.
Great play by Nunez to seal the game.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 07, 2007, 10:20:35 PM
Ol' Six Fingers out for two in a row...
Make that three in a row. Guess he's the backup-backup-closer.
Quote from: Don Ho on June 07, 2007, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 07, 2007, 10:22:08 PM
crazy game. missed most of it but it seems good now. farg this team is now gonna be swept by kc.
i just said the same thing. mets announcers crying how the phils get to go to KC and the "Mess" have to go to Detroit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... that's old news.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 05, 2007, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 05, 2007, 05:37:34 PM
They'll somehow win 2 of 3 in New York and sweep Kansas City and we'll be back on the bandwagon, damnit
No, they'll sweep the Mutts, getting our hopes up. Then they'll get swept by the @&@#*&@# Royals.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 07, 2007, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 07, 2007, 10:20:35 PM
Ol' Six Fingers out for two in a row...
Make that three in a row. Guess he's the backup-backup-closer.
i'm starting to love this guy. love his reaction after at the end of these games. player/manager?
(http://www.tci.tdcj.state.tx.us/products/janitorial/brooms_brushes/images/200_corn_broom.jpg)
5 games behind the Mets
1.5 behind the Braves
:paranoid
World. Series.
Word. up. errrr um only if we take 2 out of three from K.C. then it's word up.
kc series is irrelevant...if they lose the series its expected if they win it they should have
the test is the stretch of the three american league teams chi det cle...win seven or more of those and then maybe we can talk
I'm glad I skipped out on the Clearwater Threshers game early to see the end of the game. There were a bunch of New York dooshes at the bar where I stopped in to watch the end of the game and they were giving me shtein right up until Burrell took the Rat deep. Then when the Phils took the lead for good they shut their pieholes up real nice.
There were some hot f'ing broads in that place, btw. I sent SD a few photos of them but I must have done the drunken delete thing last night because they're gone now.
:-D
ok munson
(http://pdn.philly.com/sport.jpg)
great picture, terrible swing
The look on Wagner's face said it all.
I think he'd rather suck a fleshpop than give up a dinger to Burrell.
From Frank Fitzpatrick's Morning Bytes column:
Quote7:45: The camera shows a guy in sportcoat and tie sitting behind the plate. Must be a Yankee Stadium refugee. Typical attire at Shea, the potbelly capital of the Northeast, is homeless-chic.
:-D
Queens trash. Duh.
CSN citing FoxSports says that Percival is about to sign with the Cardinals.
I eagerly await the return of Joe Table. And then I'll promptly slit my wrists.
Yea he's back. Seriously. They brought him back.
The rumor is Jose Mesa was signed by the Phils :-D
Rosenthal reporting it on FOXSports
shoot me
No joke, BillyBeane likes the move. He does this for attention.
The amount of blood spewing out of my wrists is impressive. Its caking up on the keyboard.
Howard with a 2R shot & Dobbs goes solo.
3-0 Phils
Braves losing 3-0
Mets winning 1-0
now 2-0
Wright and Delgado with solo HRs
GARCIA F'ING SUCKS
4-3 Royals
Fat waste of time. And now my CSN starts acting out. Whadda farg.
6-3
Still the 2nd inning :-D
$10M for this
It's amazing how frequently guys fall off the face of the Earth when they come to play for the Phillies. What's even more infuriating is how quickly they rebound after they leave.
Garcia might be the Phillies worst acquisition since Gregg Jeffries and that's saying something considering the staggering number of stiffs they've had.
Ga + AIDS = me happy
Pat the bat!!
nice to see so many of us on the phils board tonight.
Barajas earned a paycheck tonight! Congrats to him!
Damn you Pat WTF! >:(
Jesus H. Christ
So, what did I miss putting my son to bed?
Pat got caught looking
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 08, 2007, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on June 08, 2007, 10:22:10 PM
Pat got caught looking
:o
worse yet the royals announcers were just talkig about one of the raps on pat is that he takes a lot of strike three's looking. and whatta ya know.......................
I'm not sure what's more painful, watching Howard run the bases or Helms. Ouch.
Braves losing 3-0
Mets winning 1-0
ahahaha
please stop
The pitching staff gives up seven runs total against the best team in the National League, in their house, yet somehow they manage to give up eight against the worst team in the Majors in one night.
Hot fargin garbage.
Actually, I am pretty impressed that the bullpen did as well as they did tonight.
Garcia needs to get the farg out of here. He's ATROCIOUS.
Should have stayed on the roids. Fat farg.
Two runs in 6 1/3 innings from the pen isn't bad. You're right about that.
Garcia is a waste of DNA. I can't believe he's been as horrendous as he's been.
sweep mets + loss to worst team in baseball x freddie garcia/friday night =
(http://www.heinekeninternational.com/content/heineken_ar_06_medium.jpg) x 12
Manuel pulled Garcia into the hallway and told him to stop lying and tell him if he's hurt. He is. He's flying back to Philly to get his shoulder checked out and he says it's been hurting him for a month. Thanks, a-hole.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 09, 2007, 12:55:29 PM
Manuel pulled Garcia into the hallway and told him to stop lying and tell him if he's hurt. He is. He's flying back to Philly to get his shoulder checked out and he says it's been hurting him for a month. Thanks, a-hole.
It's been hurting the Phillies even more.... :boom
So not only is he useless, he's also injured and a liar?
Delightful.
Garcia to the 15-day DL
Mesa officially signed
yet another reason myers shouldnt have went to the pen...when and if he can come back this year he goes right to the rotation and never leaves it again
leiber droppin jewels tonight
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet job Leib's
have to wait for the official time to post but i belioeve this game was under 2:10
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 09, 2007, 09:23:03 PM
have to wait for the official time to post but i belioeve this game was under 2:10
Yahoo boxscore says 2:10 exactly.
Missed the game tonight. You're all welcome.
Moyer stinks today and he's given up runs in every inning. 4-2 Royals, 4th inning
...now 4-3 with a Rollins double. Here comes Brandon Duckworth. Time to blow this game open...
Moyer sucked ass today
6-3, pulled from the game
Methinks Ryan Howard's bat may just be warming up.
Howard destroys a pitch
6-5
thats what im talking about easy
if the royals are raking this staff in kc imagine what the better al teams are gonna do in the bank
plus clevelands lineup is excellent
the one that's currently 0-0 in the 11th at Cincinnati?
the phils are a cure all for teams
the pathetic royals are ringing up runs like a slot machine
what do you think cleveland is gonna do
and the mets were pissed because they had to go to detroit and the phils had a "cake walk' awaiting them in kc. :-D
at this point, i'm actually thrilled to see mesa back :paranoid
and the mets were pissed because they had to go to detroit and the phils had a "cake walk' awaiting them in kc
ha...seriously
and look what detroit is doing to the mets...its a demolition....wait till the tigers come into the bank next weekend...get yo popcorn ready
JOSE > ? can't come up with anything right now
JOSE > Condrey?
Phils battle back with Howard, Burrell and Werth striking out swinging
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 05, 2007, 05:41:05 PMthey'll sweep the Mutts, getting our hopes up. Then they'll get swept by the @&@#*&@# Royals.
:-\
2nd and 3rd, 2 outs
Mesa wild pitches both runners home :-D
are we still keeping track of inning by inning score updates for the braves and mets?
or how about division and wild card standings?
we really suck. i meane really, really suck.
Again. A perfect example to show an outsider what it's like to be a Sillies fan:
Sweep the best team in the National League at their house.
Go play the worst team in the entire league, and lose the series, in a most ugly fashion.
Mesa literally looked like a corpse out there.
14-5 :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 10, 2007, 04:57:00 PM
are we still keeping track of inning by inning score updates for the braves and mets?
or how about division and wild card standings?
Why not? Everyone else in the NL is getting beaten by the AL too
lol @ Eckel on WIP the other day saying the Phillies are back and mean business. This team is full of losers and will always be full of losers as long as this management is in control.
17-5 :-D :'(
Mets lost so they stay only 5 back.
:-D :-D :'(
17-5...this team is embarassing. This is the inconsistency that I mentioned the other day and why it is hard to get excited about the overall picture.
did that home plate ump want to get the hell out of there or what? as long as the pitch was in the same zip code he'd call it a strike.
thank god for this forecast. gives me an excuse to sneak out and not submit myself to any more torture:
Outlook through Saturday Jun 16. Surf along south facing shores is expected to gradually build to moderate levels by Monday afternoon. South swells will maintain moderate surf heights along south facing shores through mid week, with slightly larger surf returning there on Thursday and Friday.
Reading Phillies are looking for a bullpen catcher. Apply never! (http://www.readingphillies.com/news_06_10_07_bullpen_catcher.htm)
Awful.
(http://media.philly.com/images/phillies_losers7.jpg)
:(
WOOOOOO! We're number one!
I think this was brought up before, but it's still funny...
Jose Mesa's bio on Phillies.com:
QuoteBorn: 05/22/1966
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Jose Ramon Mesa...he and his wife Mirla have six children; sons Ralph (6/29/79), Juan Jose (8/4/85), Jesse (8/17/88 ), and Jose Jr. (8/13/93), and daughters Yamely (1/15/74) and Yenny (7/16/87)...
:sly
Sounds about right.
So he was one horny eight-year-old.
Tonight's game is on ESPN
No Thome
Another homer for Howard. Warming up nicely. Hitting .286 for June, .296 the last week.
Maybe he's finally "rounding" into shape...
Burrell HR
Howard HR
Rollins HR
That's the offense for this game
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 11, 2007, 09:00:18 PM
Burrell HR
Howard HR
Rollins HR
That's the offense for this game
And, amazingly enough, Eaton is keeping the Chisox in check.
The Sox suck. Detroit will kill this team, though.
love the Don Ho shout out by the ESPN crew!
Aaaawwrrigghhttt!
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 07, 2007, 09:39:32 AMthey are gonna get blasted...how many runs is chicago gonna score in the bank....scary
gloating in igys stupidity. thats like laughing at the kid with down syndrome who cant tie his own shoes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 06, 2007, 04:16:21 PM
eaton is clearly the weak link on the staff
Yep - a 7-4 weak link. He's won 4 out of his last 5 decisions. In the last seven starts he's given up 3, 1, 0, 4, 5, 2, & 0 earned runs.
Phillies radio update on Garcia: pathology in the labrum and fraying on the rotator cuff, and he's seeking a 2nd opinion. Bye.
Ha! I just watched the highlights from mlb.com and the Phillies had Meathead himself, Rob Reiner, in the booth during Howard's colossal shot.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 11, 2007, 10:30:35 PM
Phillies radio update on Garcia: pathology in the labrum and fraying on the rotator cuff, and he's seeking a 2nd opinion. Bye.
So I guess his career is over? Season? Hell of a trade.
Quote from: MDS on June 12, 2007, 12:36:37 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 11, 2007, 10:30:35 PM
Phillies radio update on Garcia: pathology in the labrum and fraying on the rotator cuff, and he's seeking a 2nd opinion. Bye.
So I guess his career is over? Season? Hell of a trade.
Probably done for the year, I'd say.
he had fraying on the rotator cuff last year..everyone in the majors knew something was wrong with him....except the phillies
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 11, 2007, 05:12:15 PM
So he was one horny eight-year-old.
You suck at math. It actually makes him a horny not-quite-seven-year-old.
and he would have been 6 at conception
full labrum tear
partial rotator tear
for freddy
done for year
Quote
Kendrick called up, will face Chicago
Phillies Notebook
For the past year, Kyle Kendrick has been turning heads in the Phillies organization.
The 22-year-old right-hander came to the Phillies as a seventh-round pick in the 2003 draft out of Mt. Vernon High School in Washington. In his first three seasons, he struggled to find his role until late in 2005 when he flourished at short-season Batavia.
In 2006, Kendrick began his season at Lakewood and after he went 3-2 with a 2.15 ERA, moved to High-A Clearwater where he didn't miss a step throwing 130 innings with a 9-7 record and 3.53 ERA.
All that had him earmarked for Double-A Reading this year, but not to big-league camp in Clearwater and the snub gave him that needed extra motivation, according to Phillies director of minor leagues Steve Noworyta.
"This year, going into spring training we didn't invite him because he still has a year left and I think that really helped him," Noworyta said. "He wanted to be there and I saw a certain fire out of him when he wasn't invited.
"He came into the organization a little immature. Last year, during the All-Star break in Clearwater, he stayed around for some extended work we were doing and that showed me a lot."
Kendrick has shown so much that on Wednesday, as Freddy Garcia's situation resulted in a stint on the disabled list, the youngster will make the jump from Double-A Reading -- where he was 4-7 with a 3.21 ERA in 12 starts and 81 1/3 innings -- to the big club, as he'll get the start against the Chicago White Sox at Citizens Bank Park.
Kendrick, who turned down a football scholarship to Washington State to play quarterback, has a fastball that ranges from 90-to-92 miles per hour, a hard slider and a changeup, all of which he uses effectively. He'll also be the second member of the roster to make the jump from Double-A to the big club this season, the other being Michael Zagurski who has looked solid in the bullpen to this point.
"You take each kid separately," said Noworyta, who points out Kendrick's mound presence as his biggest asset. "We're (in Clearwater) for camp but I think everyone is excited about this. You work so hard with them that they begin to feel like your kids. I'm sure at some point we'll all be huddled around a computer to see how it goes."
Sox in Garcia's corner: Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen follows his former players, in particular Garcia and Phillies center fielder Aaron Rowand.
While Rowand has played well, Garcia's struggles have bothered Guillen, who is a good friend of the starter that is on the 15-day disabled list after Monday's MRI results showed pathology of his labrum and fraying of his rotator cuff. A medical course of action will be decided after he gets a second opinion.
Garcia is also just 1-5 with a 5.90 ERA and equipped with a fastball measured by an hour glass.
"I'm concerned as a friend," Guillen said. "He's frustrated -- he wants to help those guys. They don't know him -- we know Freddy. He's a horse. He wants to pitch no matter what. He's a winner. When Freddy is healthy he's something special. Hopefully the 15 days will get him healthy.
"He doesn't want anyone to take the ball away from him. He wants the ball. He wants to pitch and help those guys win. If you watch Freddy pitch for the first time and you don't know him, you think, "What the (expletive deleted) is that?' He's walking around, looking into the stands, staring at the catcher. But he's a winner. He knows what he's doing."
Gentleman Jim: Jim Thome made his grand return to Citizens Bank Park on Monday and while he wasn't scheduled to play -- interleague games at National League parks don't use the designated hitter -- he spoke well of his experiences in Philadelphia from 2003 through 2005.
"I know that when I was here I had a wonderful time and I appreciate the organization," Thome said. "I appreciate the fans, the support they gave me when I came here. It was really a special time for me because I had played a long time in Cleveland and I came here and they took me and my family in. I'll always appreciate what they did for us.
"I would say the 400th (home run) or just the intensity every day (is what I remember most). The intensity when you play here and what it brings. When you come to the ballpark, the fans, the intensity, the city, the passion -- just the everyday attitude the fans give you here, that as a player you want to return."
From the pen: Carlos Ruiz sat out with a sore left wrist but probably won't go on the DL. "He got hit when the guy swung the bat and the follow-through hit him on the (left) wrist," Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said. "He's very sore and it's swollen some. He can play if he has to. I rested him yesterday. I think as the game wore on he started having problems with it." . . . Chase Utley remains the leader at second base in the All-Star voting. Jimmy Rollins has re-entered the top five in the fourth spot behind Jose Reyes (New York), J.J. Hardy (Milwaukee) and Rafael Furcal (Los Angeles). . . . Manuel doesn't foresee Brett Myers returning to the rotation once he gets off the disabled list with a strained shoulder. "I don't know exactly where our pitcher would be right now. That's a possibility but at the same time I foresee Myers at the backend of the bullpen. I like him as a closer. I think his career sets up to be a closer, too. It takes nothing away from him, I think he'll be very successful with that."
-- Michael Radano
-I'm getting the feeling this Kendrick kid is going to get dismantled.
-If Guillen has such a hard on for Freddy, maybe they might take him back next year. What a farged pooch the Garcia thing was.
-Jim Thome is the farging man.
-Charlie Manuel wants Myers to continue to close when he comes back with Garcia officially history? Happy day.
If Guillen has such a hard on for Freddy, maybe they might take him back next year.
according to gargano hes out for at least a year
-Charlie Manuel wants Myers to continue to close when he comes back with Garcia officially history? Happy day.
it was stupid to put him in the bullpen to begin with...its insane to continue to do it now
Did the Phillies really give up Floyd (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=425856) and Gio Gonzales (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=461829) for Freddy :puke
The dumbest thing was not checking him out before the trade and simply relying on what Kenny Williams said. I'm not upset over the loss of Floyd or Gonzalez. Neither one was expected to be a part of the Phillies' future anyway. Gonzalez is nowhere near the level of Hamels.
Myers? Hey, if you like Alfonseca and Gordon closing your games while you curl into a ball whimpering, be my guest...
I'm not upset over the loss of Floyd or Gonzalez. Neither one was expected to be a part of the Phillies' future anyway. Gonzalez is nowhere near the level of Hamels.
so gonzalez is not as good as hamels therefore he wasnt in their future plans??...what are you talking about...he was very much in their future plans and was hoped to be a future piece of their rotation for a long time...whether he turns out that way is another question...theres no guarantees...but best believe hes a very good prospect and was in their plans
Myers? Hey, if you like Alfonseca and Gordon closing your games while you curl into a ball whimpering, be my guest...
starting pitching is much more important than a closer...its not a chicken or egg thing...the starting pitching definitely comes first...always has in baseball...you dont take your opening say starter out of the lineup and make him a closer...other guys can get three outs (alfonseca has done very well, mesa can do it)...not many people can get major league hitters out for 7 innings
remember trying to get thru last year with gavin floyd and ryan madson??
think of it this way
myers>>alfonseca
myers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any minor league pitcher the phils plug into the rotation
Keeping Myers in the closer's role KNOWING that Garcia won't be back should be the kind of decision that gets everyone involved in making it fired. No, not fired... I meant SHOT TO DEATH.
It's pure unadulterated folly.
Floyd had to go ED, i think everyone knows that. Gonzales on the other hand has top 3 starter potential. Would we be better off having him in the minors yes or no? Would we be better bringing him up now instead of Kyle Kenderick?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2007, 02:23:22 PMso gonzalez is not as good as hamels therefore he wasnt in their future plans??...what are you talking about...he was very much in their future plans and was hoped to be a future piece of their rotation for a long time
I never said they got rid of him because he isn't as good as Hamels. You're spinning my words. Gonzalez is an OK prospect but he's not a superstar #1 pitcher and has had control issues, which is why the Phils didn't hesitate to give him back to Chicago in the deal. They have better pitchers coming up through the system, even though they're a few years away. We gave away an OK prospect and a bust for a piece of junk. I'm not going to cry about it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 12, 2007, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 11, 2007, 05:12:15 PM
So he was one horny eight-year-old.
You suck at math. It actually makes him a horny not-quite-seven-year-old.
Dang, I thought it said 1966. My eyes are beginning to go. Damn middle age.
Keep Myers in the BP.
Signed,
Brett Myers Fanboy #1
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2007, 03:22:31 PM
Keep Myers in the BP.
Signed,
Brett Myers Fanboy #1
I concur.
We gave away an OK prospect and a bust for a piece of junk. I'm not going to cry about it.
hes better than an "OK" prospect and less than a cant miss prospect...semantics maybe but if it makes you feel better to say he never had a chance to makes the phillies rotation by all means
with myers as a closer now whos gonna make up the phils staff next year
1. hamels
2. eaton
3. moyer
4. ??
5. ??
should be fun times
they should have enough money to sign someone halfway decent. the last spot can go to a kidr., or you can go to arbitration with the very average jon liebe
Here's the top 5 potential starters:
SP - John Smoltz
SP - Carlos Zambrano
SP - Jake Westbrook
SP - Curt Schilling
SP - Jason Jennings
You can forget Smoltz & Zambrano. Both will re-sign. That leaves Westbrook, Schilling & Jennings.
yay cant wait for more halfway decent
and they have no kids who are even close to ready next year
Westbrook got extended before the season started, i'm pretty sure
Oh, shtein... that's right. He signed a 3yr./33M dollar extension.
Scratch him off the list.
Champs in 2014!
Who farging cares about next year. Let's focus on this year's choke.
Mathieson should be ready by next year...hell he should be throwing here sometime soon.
Mathieson is 2 years away from being where he was last year. Plus he is better suited in a closer's role imo.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2007, 03:56:49 PM
with myers as a closer now whos gonna make up the phils staff next year
1. hamels
2. eaton
3. moyer
4. ??
5. ??
should be fun times
And that's assuming Moyer still wants to pitch. I'm not saying he won't be effective since he relies on location but he'll be 45 come next season so he might just hang em up. I'm for Myers coming back to the rotation and rebuilding the bullpen in the offseason, it would be easier and cheaper to find 2 relievers than it would to find two starters.
Quote from: MDS on June 12, 2007, 04:26:22 PM
Who farging cares about next year. Let's focus on this year's choke.
Phillies fans always look towards the future, its all we got.
great start.
The future just got rocked for two more solo dingers.
2-0 Sox.
And that's assuming Moyer still wants to pitch. I'm not saying he won't be effective since he relies on location but he'll be 45 come next season so he might just hang em up.
i totally agree and thats kinda what i was saying about the rotation with him in it...its not promising....i like moyer a lot but lets be real the guy is a borderline full time starter in the majors now...and hes only gonna get worse as he gets closer to 50
The future just got rocked for two more solo dingers
as i mentioned the other day you can pretty much expect hamels to not win again this year since i traded for him last week in fantasy
damn he's fast.
i'm telling you, here's our punt returner.
i smell a backwards K coming up
wow
Contreras struggling with his control tonight. With Cole giving up the gophers, this could be a long night of baseball.
Dobbsy with a 2 run single
Dobbs comes through with a two-out, two-RBI single. Phils up 3-2.
Quote from: SunMo on June 12, 2007, 07:32:54 PM
Dobbsy
Kervorkian's out. You should call him up.
that's mean Fasty
Harry the K got all excited about a Barajas fly ball. Didn't even reach the fence.
so did 90% of the stadium
I could go for a Schmidter right now.
I could go for a Schmidter right now.
mmmmmmmm
Booooooooooooooooooooooo Garcia!
brett myers = fatty
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2007, 07:43:04 PM
brett myers = fatty
looked like some slob who wandered into the bullpen
I prefer the fat wife beater version
We should pay Dr. James Andrews a visit In Birmingham tomorrow and bum rush Garcia when he walks into his office.
And in other news, water is wet
he was actually respectable in spring training and up to this injury
CHASE!
chasey!
You gotta love Guillen's reaction. I don't speak much Spanish but what few words I know I think I recognized reading his lips.
:-D :-D
SunMosy?
i like it
Howard with a nice play.
Cole looks off tonight. Just get them through seven, Cole, and then the mighty bullpen will take it from there.
Rowand plunked for the second straight time.
Whoever's up first for the White Sox next inning better watch his ass.
Chase with a 2 run double. 7-2 Phils. Hamels might need it too, his command isn't there tonight.
wow...great job by sarge
Sarge! You are da man.
Justin Verlander from the Tigers just completed a no-hitter against the Brewers.
I watched the end of it on MLB.TV thanks to a heads-up by Harry.
:yay
interesting stat on Hamels, 12 of the 16 HR's he's given up are solo's. well of course the three in a row against the Mets and the two tonight helped pad that
Jermaine Dye almost took him "deep" a moment ago.
The Bank really is a duck-farging joke. Dye hit a pop-fly can of corn and it made it to the warning track. Just embarrassing.
Thru 8, Phils up 7-2.
Gas Can coming into finish it off.
7-3 Phils.
that was a bomb
Game over.
Geary still needs the piano wire around the neck, though.
3 runs in 2 games....all solo HRs. You were correct as always, igy. They're launching 'em
i don't know why anybody thought the White Sox would kill the ball, they aren't a very good offensive team
but Detroit...that's a different story
still got a rookie scrub going tomorrow and then detroit and cleveland easy....take the phils penis out your mouth
i said kc series didnt matter...then go 7-2 aqgainst the al and maybe we can talk wild card.....maybe
The Bank really is a duck-farging joke. Dye hit a pop-fly can of corn and it made it to the warning track. Just embarrassing.
eaton called it a little league park in the paper today after he popped one off the end of his bat last night and it made warning track
3 behind the Mets
3 behind the D'Bags and Dodgers
1 behind the Braves
Some doode on the EMB was just trying to get tickets for Sunday's game (Cole's next start) against the Tiggers. The game is completely sold out. Even the SRO's are gone.
Probably a coincidence, but still, the kid is starting to get that aura about him. Even after he gave up the bombs in the 1st, he didn't looked spooked. He looked annoyed at himself but still composed.
Very cool.
PS: On the Verlander thing... dook was hitting 101 mph in the 9th inning. That's unfair.
Quote from: SunMo on June 12, 2007, 09:19:29 PM
wow...great job by sarge
explain you sexy thing you
he did something, and it was nice
the end
what was it. dont stop
It involved his balls and young children
and after it, he was huffing and puffing and Wheels praised him
Chase Utley: geni
ous
QuoteUtley chased Contreras with a two-run single in the fourth that gave the Phillies a 7-2 lead. He was tied with Houston's Carlos Lee for the NL lead in RBI at 52.
"A lot of credit for RBI has to go for guys being on base," Utley said.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 12, 2007, 10:06:10 PM
Some doode on the EMB was just trying to get tickets for Sunday's game (Cole's next start) against the Tiggers. The game is completely sold out. Even the SRO's are gone.
Probably a coincidence, but still, the kid is starting to get that aura about him. Even after he gave up the bombs in the 1st, he didn't looked spooked. He looked annoyed at himself but still composed.
Very cool.
PS: On the Verlander thing... dook was hitting 101 mph in the 9th inning. That's unfair.
The wifey let me get a Cole Hamels autographed pic from Brandywine Sports Collectibles last saturday. It was only 50 bucks, i told her this was a deal that you cant pass up.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 12, 2007, 10:06:10 PM
Some doode on the EMB was just trying to get tickets for Sunday's game (Cole's next start) against the Tiggers. The game is completely sold out. Even the SRO's are gone.
Probably a coincidence, but still, the kid is starting to get that aura about him. Even after he gave up the bombs in the 1st, he didn't looked spooked. He looked annoyed at himself but still composed.
Very cool.
PS: On the Verlander thing... dook was hitting 101 mph in the 9th inning. That's unfair.
Hamels's next start is monday in cleveland.
And Sunday is fathers day.
But yeah...you're right.
That's weird. I could have sworn Harry or Wheels said he was going to face Verlander on Sunday.
You're right, though. Eaton is scheduled to go on Sunday.
bondermen - leiber
miller - moyer
verlander - eaton
sunday = (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/phi/images/promotions/y2007/strawhat_200x127.jpg)
friday is sound of philadelphia nite....that should be great
i want one of those hats
havent you gotten enough hats with holes lately
Guillen on Hamels after last night:
Quote
''When you face a pitcher like that, you've got to hold the other team,'' White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said. ''The kid is legit. He's the best pitcher we've faced from the National League so far.''
:yay
Hamels wasn't even on his A-game last night.
I hope Thome gets a nice ovation today.
I also hope Polanco, who should be our 3B right now, gets a good ovation too when he comes to town.
I can't wait until the Mets come to town at the end of the month and LoDoca has to face Hamels. He ripped Cole on WFAN yesterday.
what did he say phreak
Wifebeater made these comments on WFAN:
QuoteOn Hamels: "I could really give a rat's a**...maybe if he was Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens...but how many years has he been in the league? I really don't care....he's the same guy who said that with his stuff he should throw a no hitter every year (laughter from all) so uh...we can end that right there, you know what I mean?"
what a farging icehole....im a huge proponent of trash talking but that guy is just a fleshpop...god i hate ny
If the context Lo Duca put it in, when he said Hamels stated, "he's the same guy who
said, with his stuff, he should throw a no hitter every year", were correct, then I would say sure, Hamels can be an arrogant douche. But when you look at what Hamels actually said, it makes Lo Duca the biggest douce in the universe.
Quote
Make no mistake, Hamels said he wanted the no-hitter. In fact, he said he wants to get at least one every season.
"I don't know if it's every pitcher's goal, but it's mine," Hamels said. "It's something that's so far to reach, but you can try to reach it. That's why we're out here. Nobody's going to be perfect. I try to be that way and a perfect game is pretty perfect."
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/John_Edward_awarded_on_South_Park.jpg)
= (http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/jon_heyman/10/05/thurs.scoop/t1_paulloduca.jpg)
anyone else see that ESPN left Hamels off the Allstar team :-D
If the context Lo Duca put it in, when he said Hamels stated, "he's the same guy who said, with his stuff, he should throw a no hitter every year", were correct, then I would say sure, Hamels can be an arrogant douche. But when you look at what Hamels actually said, it makes Lo Duca the biggest douce in the universe.
the guy is just an ahole and is clearly carrying on the proud met tradition of (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/whutsgood6at.gif)
his nickname is red ass or something like that because of his temper....roid rage perhaps??...
steroids + coke = dumb ass comments like the one about hamels
Not defending Lo Duca, as his comments weren't based on fact in the least, but Cole did kind of fire the first shot:
Quote
Lo Duca homer reaction leaves Hamels steamed
PHILLIES NOTEBOOK
By SCOTT LAUBER, The News Journal
Posted Saturday, June 9, 2007
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Cole Hamels wasn't pleased about serving up back-to-back-to-back home runs in the sixth inning Thursday against the Mets.
But the Phillies ace lefty was downright steamed about Paul Lo Duca's reaction to hitting the third.
Lo Duca, the Mets catcher, flipped his bat and watched the ball clear the left-field wall at Shea Stadium. He hit Hamels' first pitch after a delay while the Phillies protested the reversal of a call that awarded a homer to David Wright. Lo Duca's shot gave the Mets a 3-2 lead.
Hamels didn't immediately see Lo Duca's reaction because he was watching the path of the ball. But he was incensed after seeing the replay.
"You need to act like you've done it before," Hamels said Friday. "He's a veteran. He should know better. It's the old sacred game thing. There are little kids out there that are looking up to you. They look at what happens. That's not the right way to do things."
If he chooses, Hamels will have opportunities to express his displeasure. The Phillies and Mets play 11 more games, including June 29 to July 1 at Citizens Bank Park. If the Phillies starting rotation remains unchanged, Hamels will start in that series.
"It's a situation where you know you're going to face him for the next five, six, 10 years," Hamels said. "It'll be more in his head than mine, because I'll have the ball in my hand, controlling what happens."
LoDuca's a stylishly dressed young man.
Cole should drill him in the ear.
...or the anus, but Pauly would probably enjoy that.
those are some extremely corny comments by cole
but lodoca is still a coke sniffing dickhead
farg lo duca i hope cole nails him in his vadge.
thome starting today at 1b.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 08:10:32 AM
sunday = (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/phi/images/promotions/y2007/strawhat_200x127.jpg)
That's actually a pretty nuyce hat. You're just ugly enough to farg it up, though.
it nice till you turn it around and show everyone the six inch wawa ad on the back
i like wawa and i like the philles...where is the downside here?
1-0 cws, thome got out 2-3
tied 1-1
utley with a rbi single, scoring Victorino
6 inch wawa hoagie good
6 inch wawa hat advertisement bad
and stop with the scoring updates
both of you
is there much tailgating before the sillies' games?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 01:24:48 PM
and stop with the scoring updates
both of you
you are irresistible.
Quote from: MDS on June 13, 2007, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 01:24:48 PM
and stop with the scoring updates
both of you
you are irresistible.
Mooore Scoring updates, i dont feel like going to mlb.com
2-1 sox
Quote from: hunt on June 13, 2007, 01:26:47 PM
is there much tailgating before the sillies' games?
There is when I'm in town.
can someone please but a bullet in wheels head
2-2, helms finally hit one out
mets fans are all mad at the Dodgers pitcher last night who flipped his bat after a homerun
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270612119
there are the highlights.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 01:44:13 PM
can someone please but a bullet in wheels head
id rather have you commentating. and you know that you are you.
Quote from: SunMo on June 13, 2007, 01:47:07 PM
mets fans are all mad at the Dodgers pitcher last night who flipped his bat after a homerun
Bahaha @ those crying ass New York dicks.
mets fans are all mad at the Dodgers pitcher last night who flipped his bat after a homerun
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270612119
there are the highlights.
(http://www.rivervet.com/images/PearlHarbor/PearlHarbor.jpg)
How is Killer Kenderick looking so far?
I see the stats, but what's the kid look like? Decent movement? Command?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 01:57:22 PM
mets fans are all mad at the Dodgers pitcher last night who flipped his bat after a homerun
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270612119
there are the highlights.
(http://www.rivervet.com/images/PearlHarbor/PearlHarbor.jpg)
Get that outta here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_UcXr1l4nU&mode=related&search=)
How is Killer Kenderick looking so far?
I see the stats, but what's the kid look like? Decent movement? Command?
decent stuff....better than i thought hed have...doesnt throw very hard...has nice movement on all his pitches...to use a current major leaguer as a comparison he kinda reminds me of greg maddux (when he threw harder)
note* - no im not saying hes gonna be even half that good
Holy shtein. Kenderick is as good as Maddox? Sweet.
farg Gio Gonzalez.
I read he doesn't get much above the low 90s, but he can make the fastballs (he throws two) dance around quite a bit.
Werth is werthless. Zing.
:paranoid
Where's Rowand? Day off?
Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and farg the prom queen.
but he can make the fastballs (he throws two) dance around quite a bit.
yes he is....he doesnt have full control of it yet but it moves around
hes thrown quite a few off speed pitches as well...way more than i read he would
Good on Kenderick for getting out of that inning. I was nervous about giving an intentional to Thome with Dye coming up.
Unbelievable how sad the hitting is for the Sox currently.
that play in right field was Werthwhile
Wow. Utley is hitting .372 at home on the season.
Bukvich in the game. Phils have smoked this clown, hopefully they continue to do it.
Why the farg did Charlie yank Kenderick? Kid was doing alright.....
you have to pinch hit there....no brainer
kendricks father got more run than bill cowhers wife today
You could have had Hendrick bunt, or just take looking for a walk. There was one out. Now you have to turn to your on a wittle, off a shteinload bullpen in what could wind up being a close game. Nightmare.
But I guess it's all a moot point now. Rowand goes yard. 8-3 Sillies.
You could have had Hendrick bunt, or just take looking for a walk. There was one out. Now you have to turn to your on a wittle, off a shteinload bullpen in what could wind up being a close game. Nightmare.
i couldnt disagree more
you have a man on third with one out in a tie game in the 6th...you have to get him home
and you have a AA call up who gave you six innings...it wasnt cole hamels on the mound...kendrick isnt even ready for the majors yet how can you say hes better than anyone in the phils bullpen
GRAND SLAM! Very nice.
Kalas going to the break "Phillies on their way to a sweep of the White Sox". Thanks Harry.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 03:36:23 PM
kendrick isnt even ready for the majors yet how can you say hes better than anyone in the phils bullpen
Uh.....because it's the Phillies bullpen. Thank god they got a big lead. If it was 4-3, the bullpen probably would've blown what was a decent outing by a kid no one has ever heard.
I guess my point is that the kid earned to go another inning. He was a bit shakey early on, then locked it down through three innings. If the dudes on, let him keep the ball.
Fatty into some trouble now.
Uh.....because it's the Phillies bullpen. Thank god they got a big lead. If it was 4-3, the bullpen probably would've blown what was a decent outing by a kid no one has ever heard.
if theres two outs and no one on base then perhaps you let kendrick bat and come back with him in the 7th...with a man on third and less than two outs no way...ill take the run and madson in the 7th
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 03:49:27 PM
if theres two outs and no one on base then perhaps you let kendrick bat and come back with him in the 7th...with a man on third and less than two outs no way...ill take the run and madson in the 7th
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Like I said, it's a moot point now, anyway. But Madson had statistically a better chance at coming in and blowing the thing up with the Phils at 4-3 than getting through it unscathed.
holy shtein that was a strike
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 13, 2007, 04:01:40 PM
holy shtein that was a strike
Explain. Watching farging gamecast here....
this ump is squeezin alf
(http://www.rockingham.k12.va.us/sound_sorting/initial_blends/sw/images/sweep.jpg)
good stuff. they need to win 2 of 3 from Detroit
Explain. Watching farging gamecast here....
the 3-2 pitch to uribe was a beautiful obvious strike....alf almost lost it..whipping his glove on the ground...immediately the entire infield and dubee come over to calm him down
it's not good to get a pregnant person so upset, that ump should be ashamed of himself
Quote from: SunMo on June 13, 2007, 04:10:08 PM
it's not good to get a pregnant person so upset, that ump should be ashamed of himself
ha...i was telling my boy, if they cut him open it would either be like a shark in Jaws or they would find a 50 pound tumor
haha
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- Aaron Rowand hit a grand slam and drove in five runs, helping the Philadelphia Phillies complete their first home sweep this season with an 8-4 victory over the Chicago White Sox on Wednesday.
Ha! These guys suck.
What do you want:
Tue 26 vs. Cin- Lieber
Wed 27 vs. Cin- Kendrick
Thu 28 vs. Cin- Random AAA Pitcher
Fri 29 vs. NYM- Moyer
Fri 29 vs. NYM- Eaton
Sat 30 vs. NYM- Hamels
Sun 1 vs. NYM- Lieber
Mon 2 at Hou- Kendrick
Or
Tue 26 vs. Cin- Kendrick
Wed 27 vs. Cin- Lieber
Thu 28 vs. Cin- Moyer
Fri 29 vs. NYM- Eaton
Fri 29 vs. NYM- Random AAA Pitcher
Sat 30 vs. NYM- Hamels
Sun 1 vs. NYM- Kendrick
Mon 2 at Hou- Lieber
The first requires Moyer to have 6 days in between his starts, and puts two AAA pitchers back to back with a doubleheader and the Mets series the next day. But, you avoid pitching Kendrick and the AAA pitcher for the all-important Mets series. The second is how the rotation would shake down if everything stays as is.
I'm for the first. I doubt Chuckles would think of such a thing, but they might have a chance take over first in the NL East, so why not go with your best pitchers? Just hope the two AAA pitchers don't shtein the bed and kill your bullpen for the Mets series.
I'd go with the first too. It's a 4 game series with the Mets and I'd much rather see the 4 veteran pitchers on the mound for those games. The only drawback, like you said is that with the young guys pitching back to back games against the Reds is that if they both have bad games then the pen might get worn out.
They could always start Brett Myers.
They won't, of course, because doing so would require them to admit that putting him in the bullpen was idiotic in the first place.
When is he due to come off the DL? Or did he already?
I thought he was coming back in a couple of days. Now I just read this...
QuoteBrett Myers: Out at Least Two More Weeks
RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Wednesday, June 13, 2007
Update: The Phillies are now saying that Myers (shoulder) is out at least another two weeks, the Philadelphia Daily News reports.
Recommendation: Initial reports had suggested that Myers could be activated by Monday, but he'll need to make a minor-league rehab stint and was just able to begin throwing off of a mound on Tuesday. Antonio Alfonseca will hold onto the closer's role for what appears to be the rest of June.
Delightful.
i originally was against the Myers to the bullpen move, but in hindsight it was a good move and he shouldn't be moved out when he gets healthy
myers to the pen was stupid then and its an even worse move now
in fact they have made this run without brett myers anywhere on the team...now with a gaping hole in the rotation its just rridiculous not to brign him back there....thats if he comes back at all this year healthy and stays that way....which imo is iffy at best
he was terrible as a starter this year, and very good as a closer...that's not even mentioning what the effect of going from starter to bullpen back to starter will have on him. keep him where he is.
its not about whether hes better as a closer...and we hardly know that anyway as hes been a closer for less than a month of his whole career
its about him being way better than any starter they can plug in where as hes only marginally better than alfonseca as a closer if hes better at all
also a lot of people say he got hurt precisely because he was moved to closer...so moving him back to his true position cant be more of a risk than having him close where hes already been hurt
i said this the other day and this is what its all about
myers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kendrick
myers>>alfonseca
i guess since they are making a run for the division again, you have to move Myers back, although i do see him as a career closer and i don't like moving him back just because of an injury.
I'm with Sun, i like Myers in the Pen. He's been dominant, and does not have to pace himself the same as he does when starting. IGY is right on who would you rather have starting. Its a sucky postion to be in but its one that Gillick created by being complacent.
I questioned Myers' temperament as a closer from the get-go and I still think he's better off as a starter.
Myers has always been the kind of pitcher who seems to have one shaky-to-terrible inning as a starter but he's usually solid otherwise. Putting him in a situation where that one lousy inning could come at any time as a closer seems risky to me.
Whatever, though. Something tells me it's gonna be a while before he's a factor for the Phillies anyway. After all, the initial diagnosis was nothing more than a "strain" and now it looks as though he'll be out at least a month.
Not good.
if myers proves to not be a top end starter (spots 1-3 in the rotation) and you wanna move him to the closer role in the future i dont have a problem with that...i just havent given up on him as a starter yet...
if hes even a quality #3 starter for the next five years i take that over him being a closer...quality starters at any spot in the rotation are so hard to find...the phillies have developed two in the last what 25 years?...where as in any particular year you can can throw almost anyone in the closer role and get 35 saves out of them
just look at the phillies rotation next year if myers is in the pen...its unbelievably bad....wont matter whos the closer then
He's got the talent to be at least a solid #2 starter. A lot more goes in to being a successful mlb pitcher than talent, though.
I thought he was on his way to becoming that guy last year. Then they come up with this hair-brained scheme to move him to the bullpen.
They might have seriously farged up his career by pulling that shtein. I'm not surprised because that's the kind of boneheaded move the Phillies are famous for, but if I were Myers, I might consider telling them to forget it when he's ready to return.
Myers suggested the change back in Spring Training, Charlie laughed it off, then took him up on the offer.
The Myers to the pen move (unfortunately) looks to be a permanent thing, I doubt we see him as a starter again. I'm basing this off of Cholly actions and Myers eagerness to be a closer.
Can't Hamels just start every other game?
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 14, 2007, 12:31:15 PM
Can't Hamels just start every other game?
Why? So you can see the opposition hit more homers?
All kidding aside, I think Hamels has more than shown to be mentally tough enough to handle being the future ace on this team. He has a problem with giving up the long ball but it doesn't seem to shake him off his game. He gave up the back-to-back-to-back homers against the Mets and then gave up 2 more in the first inning against the ChiSox and still nailed it down after that.
McNabb should totally start hanging out with him.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 14, 2007, 01:19:53 PM
McNabb should totally start hanging out with him.
quote of the year!
Andrews says no surgery is needed for Garcia...just rest for now. Out indefinitely
Twins came back to win in the 9th inning
Phils have 2nd place to themselves :yay
2nd place is the 1st loser.
some interesting numbers from Todd Zolecki's blog:
QuoteI hear a lot from people who say the Phillies offense is feast or famine, and because of that they never will win consistently. In my opinion, there's nothing quite like anecdotal evidence. I mean, if somebody says it outloud it must be totally true, right?
But I wanted to check anyway.
Here's what I found looking at the five teams in the National League East: the Phillies have the most balanced offense -- in terms of feast or famine -- in the division. Here's how I figured it out: I put a team's scoring into three categories -- 0 to 3 runs, 4 to 6 runs and 7 or more runs. Why those three? Hey, why not? Actually, I just figured 4 to 6 runs is, you know, average. And a team that scores three or fewer runs in a game is going to lose most of the time, while a team that scores seven or more runs in a game is going to win most of the time.
The Phillies scored 0 to 3 runs 19 times (28.8 percent) this season, 4-6 runs 30 times (45.5 percent) and 7 or more runs 17 times (25.8 percent).
The Mets have scored 0 to 3 runs 28 times (43.8 percent), 4 to 6 runs 21 times (32.8 percent) and 7 or more runs 15 times (23.4 percent).
The Braves have scored 0 to 3 runs 28 times (42.4 percent), 4 to 6 runs 21 times (31.8 percent) and 7 or more runs 17 times (25.8 percent).
The Marlins have scored 0 to 3 runs 25 times (37.9 percent), 4 to 6 runs 24 times (36.4 percent) and 7 or more runs 17 times (25.8 percent).
The Nationals have scored 0 to 3 runs 33 times (50.8 percent), 4 to 6 runs 22 times (33.8 percent) and 7 or more runs 9 times (13.8 percent).
In my humble opinion, it shows that this "feast of famine" talk is junk. It might seem like the Phillies "score two runs one night and 10 the next," but no more so than other teams. In fact, much less than other teams.
he doesnt get it...its not feast or famine...its the fact that they cant do the little things and they cant do anything in big situations
lets see them in sept when they need to advance a runner or get a runner in scoring position home with less than two outs in a big late game situation
also his numbers tell you how many times they scored a particular number of runs...but it doesnt give their record in those games
VORP
Through Thursday's play:
Team 0-3 4-6 7+
---------------------------------
Mets 6-22 17-4 13-2
Phillies 1-18 17-13 17-0
Braves 7-22 13-8 15-2
1-18 when they score 3 runs or less? Holy shtein thats horrid.
Actually I think that's kind of hilarious.
Through Thursday's play:
Team 0-3 4-6 7+
---------------------------------
Mets 6-22 17-4 13-2
Phillies 1-18 17-13 17-0
Braves 7-22 13-8 15-2
now thats what im talking about
thats feast or famine...the only games they can win are when they are blowing a team out...meaning theres little pressure or clutch scenarios in the game...i actually think the 17-13 is just as bad as the 1-18
yeah, a combined 18-31 when they score less than 7 runs
The bullpen is an abortion. What do you expect?
So score more than 7 every night. That's less than 1 an inning...
So score more than 7 every night. That's less than 1 an inning...
IN
Got 4 tickets to tomorrow nights game. Section 112 row 11. Sweet.
Jimmy!
The Black Adam Dunn just put one in the second deck.
2-0 Bums
That was destroyed. Good God.
Nice hang time
and just like that, it's 2-1, no outs
in how many innings will the tigers not score over the next 18 (not counting coles start)
And so the comedy of errors begins, Rowand calls off Burrell and bobbles a ball, then Lieber throws it to no one at first. 2 runs that shouldn't have been scored. This is why I love this team.
WORLD SERIES PREVIEW HOLLA
phils are seeing what its like to play with the big boys now
do you have your tigers gear on yet?
its on the hanger waiting to be rocked to the game tomorrow nite
their offense is sick...the banks gonna look like a big pinball machine this weekend
well yea no shtein black sherlock, but you seem giddy over it
It's IGY. The more the Phillies get rocked, the more he likes it. Not cause he hates the team, but so that everyone can see he was right about at least one American league team pummeling them.
This is a disaster. Instead of getting beaten straight up by a better team, they are just giving the game to them.
Classic Phils though, play one of the best teams in the majors, and give them walks, hitters counts, errors, and classic Phils blunders. Should be a long series.
My friend feels the same way he does about the Phils, and I can't say I have a problem with it. He is just sick of the losing and wants them to get exposed, for the greater good down the road.
Reading shtein like this angers me:
QuoteManager Charlie Manuel indicated last night that former Phillies third baseman David Bell's contract was part of the reason the club traded second baseman Placido Polanco to Detroit in 2005 rather than try him full time at third base.
"I think that came into play," he said. "From my standpoint, Polanco is a very good player."
At the time, Chase Utley was proving to be too good a player to split duties at second base. Bell had a high-paying contract and was locked in at third base. After shuffling Polanco among second base, shortstop, third base and left field, the Phillies dealt him to Detroit.
The Tigers are at Citizens Bank Park this weekend for a three-game series, with Polanco firm at second base for the defending American League champions. He is third in the AL with a .343 batting average.
"I just wanted to play, but they didn't have room for me," Polanco said. "It worked out for everybody."
The move gave Utley the second baseman's job, which Polanco understood - he called Utley the "best lefthanded hitter I've seen." But the player the Phillies got for Polanco, reliever Ugueth Urbina, is out of baseball. Bell was dealt to the Milwaukee Brewers last season, and now the Phillies are using Wes Helms, Abraham Nuñez and Greg Dobbs at third base.
:puke
Just what I needed to wake up to this morning. Thanks Rome. Dick.
Don't worry about it. Polanco would either be injured and/or hitting under .260 if he were on the Phillies.
until the this team gets new owners...they will go aboslutely nowhere....they will be just good enough to get a segment of the fanbase exicted in june but never good enough to actually win anything
well yea no shtein black sherlock, but you seem giddy over it
no sherlock here...im not saying anything everyone didnt know...and while im not rooting for it to happen it will be exciting and it will make me giggle a little at all the fans who thought the phillies were actually a good team
note*- with hamels going monday and clevelands roation shaping up to throw out less than stellar pitchers the cleveland series doesnt look like a sweep anymore...phils could actually win one or hell maybe even two
they have a legit chance to come out of here 3-3 against indians and tigers. which is fine.
a legit chance no at 3-3 no...an outside chance yes
they have a legit chance of getting swept by detroit and no chance at sweeping cleveland
2-4 is a legit goal right now and really wouldnt be all that bad....3-3 would be magnificient
They're winning the next five.
yeah, right
17-1 now when scoring 7+
They have the Florida State League All-Star Game in Daytona this weekend. I went to the home run derby & skills competition last night. The Phillies were well represented by Lou Marson, Greg Golson & Jeremy Slayden who ended up winning the Home Run Derby.
BTW: Golson has a cannon for an arm. He was in the throwing competition and he made some ridiculous throws from left and center. He air-mailed a couple so he didn't win but he was definitely the class of the competition.
He might be okay in RF, with Victorino playing CF. Doubtful that Burrell will be in LF much longer, sad considering how great he his at babip, vorp, pecota, and the rest of the stats that truly tell how productive a player is, despite the fact that hes a power hitter who has less rbi' and hr's than jimmy rollins. also ryan howard was awful for the first month and missed 2 weeks and he still has more rbi's than burrell. the bat baby, the bat.
Slayden was also impressive. His swing reminded me of Chase Utley's. The wind was blowing directly in from right field and he was just crushing balls through it one after the next.
Slayden is one of their few OF prospects but for some reason they keep passing him up for promotions. Maybe now that the All-Star game is over, he'll get a shot at Reading or Ottawa, where there's nothing to be excited about in the outfield
Moyer with a quality start tonight.
Ol' Six Fingers trying his damnedest to throw the game.
So much for igy's sweep, thanks to Jamie Moyer.
figuring cole's game is a win, the phillies have 3 games left against det and cle and need to win 1. figure they can knock this off.
They scored less than 7, and won!
Games isn't showing up on DirectTV Extra Innings. Is the game blacked out?
Quote from: PPinDC on June 17, 2007, 12:55:21 PM
Games isn't showing up on DirectTV Extra Innings. Is the game blacked out?
Apparently neither team is televising on a channel that DirecTV an get. Is the Phils on CN8?
MLB.com says the game is being broadcast on CW57??? No idea what that is.
What DirectTV told me is that the deal they have with MLB only allows them to broadcast a max of 60 games a week. They schedule the games a week out, and some can't make it. Blows.
Quote from: PPinDC on June 17, 2007, 02:26:57 PM
MLB.com says the game is being broadcast on CW57??? No idea what that is.
What DirectTV told me is that the deal they have with MLB only allows them to broadcast a max of 60 games a week. The schedule the games a week out, and some can't make it. Blows.
CW 57 is old Channel 57, over the air broadcast. I think they've shown some Flyers games on it, so it's probably the game limit.
CW 57 is the same channel that they show every Sunday and a lot of Saturday games on
UPN and WB merged to become the CW. Since the old UPN57 is owned by Viacom and WB is owned by Tribune (News Corp.), 57 gets the CW and 17 gets stuck with the ever crappy MyNetworkTV. You care.
Bottom 4, 2-1 bums
The Phillies won the World Series when the games were played on Channel 17. :'(
Adam Eaton has better plate presence than Howard and Rollins right now
Nice job Geary. Meltdown on the way....
Charles using 100 different pitchers this inning. Still a chance to come out of here with just 1.
um, no
happy father's day, yah bums.
i guess rollins couldn't hear nunez call him off on that inning ending pop up because the booing was so loud.
manuel is an idiot.
howard down on three pitches.
more coffee please. only 10 AM here.
good god this is painful.
Quote from: MDS on June 17, 2007, 03:54:43 PM
manuel is an idiot.
no, i am for watching this while my wife and don jr. are downstairs watching the US Open. Actually Don jr. is about to play MLB The Show on his PSP and attempts to change history. I told him don't go to the pen no matter what and to waive Geary. I think he can do it. C'mon jr.
still trying to figure out why charlie walked polanco....
sorry chase, not even close.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 17, 2007, 04:54:10 PM
still trying to figure out why charlie walked polanco....
it's Charlie being Charlie
Verlander got an undeserved win today. I'm sure igy is proud of himself for declaring that the Phils would lose the series (like everyone else figured)...
3 lefties in Cleveland: Hamels vs Cliff Lee; Kendrick vs Jason Stanford; Lieber vs Sabathia :poison
Atlanta, Philly and Florida all lost today. The Mets have El Duque vs Wang tonight.
This week:
Mets = Twins and Athletics
Braves = Red Sox and Tigers :yay
Marlins = White Sox and Twins
I'm sure igy is proud of himself for declaring that the Phils would lose the series
why would i be proud...only an idiot would think the phils had a chance to win the series
altho i would argue that 1 out of 3 is a win for the phils in this series
This is a team with Antonio Alfonseca & Jose Mesa in the bullpen. Nothing more needs to be said because that statement says it all.
Of all the guys to bash in the bullpen today, those two aren't it. This was a winnable game until Geary and Hernandez blew it. Detroit is like every other team.....you can't let them get multiple runners on base with no outs and expect to get away unscathed...
If anyone is interested in checking out 1st-round pick Joe Savery, he's the starting pitcher for Rice tonight (ESPN2, 7PM)
shteinbag losers. :boo
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 17, 2007, 06:28:57 PM
If anyone is interested in checking out 1st-round pick Joe Savery, he's the starting pitcher for Rice tonight (ESPN2, 7PM)
He's also their best hitter, or one of them. He's his own DH.
I only hope Charlie Manuel's around long enough to hilariously mismanage this guy.
He just drove in the first run of the game.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 17, 2007, 06:08:13 PM
Of all the guys to bash in the bullpen today, those two aren't it. This was a winnable game until Geary and Hernandez blew it. Detroit is like every other team.....you can't let them get multiple runners on base with no outs and expect to get away unscathed...
I wasn't bashing them for what happened yesterday.
I was merely pointing out that a team with them has about as much chance of winning a World Series as you do of banging Jessica Alba.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 17, 2007, 06:52:29 PM
shteinbag losers. :boo
your boy chuckles goes with gas can and yoel in a key spot, what do you thinks gonna happen.
Quote from: MDS on June 18, 2007, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 17, 2007, 06:52:29 PM
shteinbag losers. :boo
your boy chuckles goes with gas can and yoel in a key spot, what do you thinks gonna happen.
What makes this management decision so inept is the breadth and depth of talent in the Phillies' bullpen.
whats amazing to me still is that charlie brings in a little used guy in yoel...a guy thats never in pressure situations and what does charlie do...he makes the scenario ever MORE pressure packed by intentionally walking the bases loaded so the guy has no margin for error
Polanco was gonna single both runners in anyway... :P
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 18, 2007, 02:52:49 PM
whats amazing to me still is that charlie brings in a little used guy in yoel...a guy thats never in pressure situations and what does charlie do...he makes the scenario ever MORE pressure packed by intentionally walking the bases loaded so the guy has no margin for error
and forget the fact that Polanco actually has better numbers against RHers than LHers, Charlie sez righties have to face righties and lefties have to face lefties
which is why pat burrell will be in the lineup tonight even tho hes hitting like 150 vs lefties
C'mon, man. You can't actually expect him to hit the curvy curve from that angle.
No Burrell tonight. Werth-Rowand-Victorino, with Howard as the DH and Helms at 1st. No Hafner for the Indians, but he's been struggling bad lately. Brady Quinn and Joe Thomas will throw out the first pitches...
Chuckles should have left Zagurski in to face Polanco. We'll forget for a moment that Peanut Head should be still wearing #27 for the Phillies and playing 3B.
And its not just Charlie who does this, and it is monumentally stupid, but if you're going to IBB a guy...have the guy who is leaving the game do it. So yes, that was stupid.
Hernandez has been throwing well...gotta see what he can do in pressure sometime, right? Because its obvious Trader Pat ain't gettin' no help down there.
Keep defending that fat old idiot, please. It's fun.
Also I love that Patty is benched. Him not playing against LHP with a DH is a real kick in the ass. I hope his little vagina is all sad.
There is nothing little about Pat's massive, gaping vagina.
Hernandez has been throwing well...gotta see what he can do in pressure sometime, right?
in ottawa i would agree
the guy isnt a major league pitcher...he shouldnt be in philly much less in close late game situations
king getting torched early...welcome to the american league
:o Yikes
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 18, 2007, 07:46:50 PM
king getting torched early...welcome to the american league
He's had a case of the gopher balls the last several starts. The difference tonight is there were men on base.
I predict Cleveland sweep.
I predict we all start rooting for another team.
you gotta root for playoffs first....obviously
but since everyone but easy knows that isnt possible you next must root for an implosion...the worst thing that can happen is that they just miss out on the playoffs again and blame it on injuries or something...then the next thing you know charlie is back...they do some tweaking of the team rather than a overhaul and 12 months from now we are right back in this same place again...with people posting how many games back of the mets they are in june
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 18, 2007, 08:06:50 PM
you gotta root for playoffs first....obviously
but since everyone but easy knows that isnt possible you next must root for an implosion...the worst thing that can happen is that they just miss out on the playoffs again and blame it on injuries or something...then the next thing you know charlie is back...they do some tweaking of the team rather than a overhaul and 12 months from now we are right back in this same place again...with people posting how many games back of the mets they are in june
I would guess that Charlie is the scapegoat if they miss the playoffs. If they're not in, he's gone.
Unfortunately, it won't change a fundamentally flawed team.
Quote from: MDS on June 18, 2007, 07:59:06 PM
I predict we all start rooting for another team.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on June 18, 2007, 08:06:50 PM
you gotta root for playoffs first....obviously
but since everyone but easy knows that isnt possible you next must root for an implosion...the worst thing that can happen is that they just miss out on the playoffs again and blame it on injuries or something...then the next thing you know charlie is back...they do some tweaking of the team rather than a overhaul and 12 months from now we are right back in this same place again...with people posting how many games back of the mets they are in june
igs what can an implosion do? utley and howard 3/4 is as good as you can get. victorino is a solid player rollins is a top 10 ss in mlb. hamels is an ace. myers could either be a good closer or a solid starter. theyre locked into burrell, moyer and gordon for 1 more year, eaton for 2 more.
what they need is new ownership and a new front office. but realistically just hope that they get good starting pitching.
I would guess that Charlie is the scapegoat if they miss the playoffs. If they're not in, he's gone
i tend to agree with this...but if they miss the playoffs by one or two games i would not be surpsied at all if they brought charlie back and used the garcia/myers/gordon injuries as an excuse...."with a closer that could have gotten us just one or two extra saves wed be playing baseball right now"....something to that effect
the organization loves him since hes a yes man and is cheap...and the players really love him which is something the phils front office believes is very important
If the Phils miss the playoffs and they bring Manuel back, I'm boycotting next season.
Oh, hell, who am I kidding. I'll still watch the games. I'm hooked on baseball.
I feel your pain as I watch on MLB.com
igs what can an implosion do?
it would guarantee getting rid of charlie for starters
it will make me feel better to see the whole franchise suffer in the way they make me suffer
who knows maybe a few of the owners will even decide to sell if it got real ugly and offseason ticket plans didnt move
as fot the team itself
victorino sucks...he doesnt know how to play the game...one of the dumber players ive ever seen and just has no interest in being any other way...rollins is pretty moronic himself...stealing yesterday down 7-3...wtf?....but victorino is all that without the numbers
howard is not the ultimate four hitter...he strikes out at a historic rate .250 (dont talk to me about last year...what you see now is basically what hes gonna be forever)...homerun or strikeout...am i saying get rid of him...no but dont make him out to be better than what he is...the league has caught up to him and hes easy to pitch to now...if he gets a hold of one theres a decent chance its gonna go but all to often he catches air...he has ten more k's than homers and rbi combined...that is atrocious
utley is insanely good....hamels is a future cy young winner...the rest of the pitchers are at best #3 starters and mostly 4 and 5's....and they have nothing in the pipeline anywhere close to being a major league starter...blow this shtein up...they wont do that tho...cause all they wanna do it keep making money at the park and a team that can be in the wild card race each year...even if they have no chance at ever winning it...is the perfect situation for these owners
Igy,
I think you're wrong about Howard. He's basically in his sophomore slump (yes, I know that it's technically his third year, but second full). Will he be the player he was last season? Probably not. But I don't think he's a .230 or .250 hitter. I see a consistent .275-.290, 40 HR guy when he matures.
The pitchers have made the adjustment. Now it's his turn.
:spank crap.
no shtein if they sell the team im doing flips in the hood with the brothas
what they need to do is keep the lineup as is. it scores runs. the starting pitching is still shtein. farging poney up the cash and get the best damn arm on the market. you combine that with hamels (ace), eaton (4), moyer (4) and someone else (kendrick? lieber) and the rotation is good. this was supposed to be freddy garcia, but he was fat and hurt. what the farg. its just typical phillies.
I think you're wrong about Howard. He's basically in his sophomore slump (yes, I know that it's technically his third year, but second full). Will he be the player he was last season? Probably not. But I don't think he's a .230 or .250 hitter. I see a consistent .275-.290, 40 HR guy when he matures.
i really really hope your right...because if howard is not what they expect him to be and what most people think he is then they are set back years....not only would they have no pitching future but there would basically go the middle of their lineup...and as bad as the system is in terms fo pitching its even worse in hitting...i believe baseball america has their offensive prospects rated 2nd worst in the majors
The one caveat to my belief on Howard is his weight. I think a large part of his problems this year are related to the fact that Howard reported to spring training out of shape, and it's thrown him off (and his hammy problems are related as well). If Howard comes back hungry from this season, I really believe that he can be a multiple-year all-star. If this season is symptomatic of a deeper-set attitude or laziness problem, then you could be right after all.
His other problem has been a tendency to pull the ball too much. That is the adjustment the pitchers have made: hard in, soft oot and breaking away. He's pulling off of that soft stuff and hitting the ball right into the teeth of the shift.
I am seeing it on the positive side, which is usually against my nature. But he's got a sweet, powerful lefty swing that you see in maybe one in a ten thousand major leaguers. To think that talent could be wasted would be a tragedy (only baseball-wise, of course). Of course, this is the Phillies we're talking about.
Mets and Braves are both winning.
Manuel isn't signed for 2008. The lack of contract extension and all the old ex-managers around him suggest that it's win-or-done....and Gillick isn't helping him win....
So....when does tonight's game start?
The Phillies are off tonight.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 18, 2007, 09:09:34 PM
Manuel isn't signed for 2008. The lack of contract extension and all the old ex-managers around him suggest that it's win-or-done....and Gillick isn't helping him win....
So....when does tonight's game start?
The Phillies players are eagerly awaiting the answer to that question.
cop killer hit a HR tonight.
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I'd be very surprised if they win one of the next two.
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He's acting like he's never seen a baseball before.
There's no such thing as a bi-sexual...no such thing...you either suck dick, or you do not suck dick. I mean, what do these people do wake up in the morning and flip a farging coin to decide? Heads I want hair pie...tails...balls across the nose OH!
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Dio's going to chastise you for not focusing.
I know they could be better. I was having a hard time staying steady. I bought a Panasonic DMZ-LC5 Lumix last year, during the summer it would auto focus and get stuck every time I would turn it on. This year I charged the batteries turned it on and had no problems. I just need practice.
over under on kyle kendrick innings pitched tonight
3.2
over..i think he gets into the 5th inning
king was 5.0
he probably wont get out of the 4th. after kole got rocked this lookin more and more like a tribe sweep.
Over. Not by much, though. He'll go at least five before Cholly waddles out there to pull him.
kyle drabek took all of one year of pro ball before his elbow started breaking down....awesome
Quote"It's a mild setback," assistant general manager Mike Arbuckle said. "Probably, in hindsight, we should've gotten him games in extended spring training or the Gulf Coast League before bringing him up (and off the disabled list). That's what we do with most guys in this situation. We just hurried him up. The course of action is to back off to square one. But we're not really worried or concerned."
The mind reels after reading comments like that.
:-\
Quotealthough everything worked out for Borowski, he remains miffed at the Phillies, accusing them of publicizing the confidential results of an exam he never thought he failed in order to low-ball him for a lesser contract.
"The physical was just the doctor pretty much hanging off of my arms and not moving me whatsoever," Borowski said Monday before the Indians played host to the Phillies. "He said I did 'so-so' on my physical. What else does he want me to do? Jump through hoops?
"It worked out for the best. You don't want to be involved in stuff like that."
Borowski has pitched with a torn muscle that helps comprise his rotator cuff since 2004. But he never required surgery, and after missing part of the 2004 season, he strengthened the muscles around the tear enough that he's able to pitch.
Borowski said his agent informed him of the Phillies' decision to withdraw the two-year offer. Later that day, he said the news broke that he failed his physical, and shortly thereafter, the Phillies countered with multiple one-year contract offers, one more lucrative than the last.
Asked if there was any shot he was going to sign with the Phillies, Borowski said, "None." Ultimately, he settled for a one-year, $4 million contract from the Indians with a $4 million team option for 2008.
"It left a bad taste in my mouth," he said. "It all could be innocent and coincidental, but I had a choice and I didn't want to go there."
Phillies assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said Monday the team is "confident" in Ciccotti's diagnosis and refuted Borowski's charge that the Phillies leaked the MRI results.
"I will take exception with how he's describing it to you," Amaro said. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We still wanted the guy. We just wanted a little more protection [against injury]."
With the Indians, Borowski shares a clubhouse with former Phillies pitchers Paul Byrd, Roberto Hernandez and Aaron Fultz and outfielders David Dellucci and Jason Michaels.
"Some of them came up to me and said, 'You should be happy,' " Borowski said. "When I'm all done, I'm going to get my MRI framed, and I'm going to hang it up in my room."
lolol @ mri'ing a guy who would be your closer right now and is 22 for 24 in saves
and not mri'ing a guy who has left a gaping hole in your rotation by being out for the year
I wonder which player who didn't do a thing in Philly came up and talked shtein about the Phillies?
My guess would be Pat Burrell's caddy but it could be Bloberto or Dellucci. Dellucci is the only one on that list who has a case of not being treated fairly by the Phillies.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 19, 2007, 12:26:39 PM
over under on kyle kendrick innings pitched tonight
3.2
9IP, 1ER, 6 hits, 9Ks. Troof.
My guess on Stanfords line.
yeah Borowski's getting it done, but his ERA is 6.33 - not exactly great numbers for a closer. The past offseason was a disgrace.
QuoteWhen seeing Placido Polanco oppose his old team this weekend at Citizens Bank Park, spend a moment to think about how the Tigers second baseman still could be in a Phillies uniform had former GM Ed Wade done some homework.
When dealing Polanco to Detroit in June 2005, the Phils were desperate to add a setup reliever for closer Billy Wagner, and they got one when landing former closer Ugueth Urbina and utility infielder Ramon Martinez from the Tigers.
Looking back, that deal turned out to be about as big a disaster as last winter's Freddy Garcia's trade. Polanco still is with Detroit and third in American League batting race with a .343 average, while Urbina is in a Venezuelan prison serving 14 years for attempted murder.
Why trade Polanco? At the time, Wade moved him because needed to open up a full-time starting job at second base for Chase Utley and they had David Bell at third.
But here's what a good Phillies source says could have happened: The Phils could have made the same deal, but substituted Polanco for Bell.
The source says he's sure of it because he'd heard the Tigers were ready to release Urbina, who had just been in a fight with a teammate on a plane prior to the trade. The source insists the Tigers would have done this even though Urbina was headed for free agency and Bell had another year at $4.7 million on his contract.
The Phillies source added that Wade promised Bell a starting job for the length of his four-year, $17 million. By keeping Bell, Wade felt he was being loyal, the source said.
If true, and I believe the source, then this was a bad mistake because Polanco instead of Bell at third base probably would have meant a playoff spot for the Phils in 2005. They missed the wild card that season by a game.
Instead, Polanco went on to Detroit, which probably was the best move for him. After all, he's way-above average defensively at second base and just solid at third base. Polanco later re-signed with the Tigers and last season helped lead them to their first World Series since 1984.
I prefer Polanco at second base, but I also prefer him at third over anyone the Phillies have had there since trading Scott Rolen in July 2002 (to St. Louis for a package that included Polanco). This year, the Phils are using a three-headed monster at third in Greg Dobbs, Abe Nunez and Wes Helms. All three have their strengths, but Polanco brings more to the table. His career batting average is .302, plus he's the perfect No. 2 hitter, very good defensively and one of most unselfish players in baseball. Heck, he even had fun and did a decent job during his final days with the Phils playing some outfield for the first time in his life.
The Phillies could use a guy like Polanco. Too bad Wade let him get away when it appears dealing Bell indeed was an option.
Posted by Randy Miller at 2:18 pm |
that's enough to make you cry
Are the Phillies the taterskins of MLB? If not, who is?
I would say the Yankees, but only because of somewhat recent trends.
this is infuriating to read. i hate this organization.
The Yankees are the taterskins of MLB. :-D
Battle royale tonight of one pitcher fighting to stay off waivers and another filling in from double-A.
Baseball fever. Catch it!
No, Rome. The Yankees make the playoffs.
Quote from: PPinDC on June 19, 2007, 03:19:08 PMAre the Phillies the taterskins of MLB? If not, who is?
the Texas Rangers
The Wade-Bell-Polanco shtein is believable and infuriating.
They'll probably win tonight and then big CC shuts 'em down tomorrow.
Howard's going to kill somebody someday with one of those line drives.
Who is this team?
PAT THE BAT HOLLA
kendrick looks to be way over....great job by the kid so far....going all the way thru the lineup a second time would be huge
They'll probably win tonight and then big CC shuts 'em down tomorrow.
yep...good call
Hey, hey, hey, stop making the grandiose predictions! You know as well as I there is a 55% chance the bullpen blows this game.
god the phillies defense farging sucks
Delucci's done for awhile. He seems to have torn his knee.
Kendrick's made it through six complete. 4-3 Phils.
:paranoid
Bases geeked, Utley up and Cleveland brings in Aaron Fultz to face him... and we pray.
Bases loaded. 2 outs. Utley up. Anyone want to call it?
Hahaha! Way to go, Chase! Base knock, two rbi's, Phils up 6-3.
Utley comes through. Stretch time, Phils up 6-3.
A recap... an ex-Phillie talks shtein about them and what happens? Dellucci gets hurt and Fultz gives up two insurance runs.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 19, 2007, 09:12:46 PM
A recap... an ex-Phillie talks shtein about them and what happens? Dellucci gets hurt and Fultz gives up two insurance runs.
Maybe it's our year. Holler.
Then again, maybe it isn't. :-D
another case of the worst manager in baseball not knowing his personnel.
ryan madson has consistently shown that he cannot pitch two innings in a game. many times he's pitched a good inning only to follow it up with a bad one. yet charlie continues to run him out there more than one inning.
Michaels hit a two-run single, 6-5 Phils. Their bullpen never fails to amuse, especially Madson who goes up 0-2 on batters before throwing slop down the middle that any high school kid could hit.
And now here comes that fat, ignorant, hillbilly embarrassment to make a pitching change. Just in time, Cholly!
Idiot.
lol mesa
He actually brought in Mesa. To pitch in CLEVELAND.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Manuel and Mesa...the winning connection, for the Marlins that is
Seriously funny. Chase gets a wicked hop on a line drive and ends up with a "look what I found" catch & throw to first to end the inning.
Just walked in. This team pisses me off and I've watched 2 pitches of this game.
CHOKE DOG!
DOBBSY!
Howardy and Dobbsy!
Keep in Joey Table for the bottom of the 9th... with hilarious results!
great, charlie-y is bringing in Afsonecy even though it's not a save situation.
blow em all out chuck
He has extra fingers. That's how you know he's good.
they just showed video of Sarge snagging a ball in the booth, Wheels looked genuinely scared...fuggot
he knows they arent winning tommorrow and they have off thursday
And just like that Sizemore leads off with a rip single to right.
:-D
2 outs!
9-6 Phils.
wow, Victorino almost underran that
Quote from: SunMo on June 19, 2007, 10:18:49 PM
wow, Victorinoy almost underran that
He sure did.
This team sucks. I wish we could shoot a laser beam at the plane like Eric Bogosian did in Under Siege 2 and blow them all to smithereens.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 19, 2007, 10:20:52 PM
This team sucks. I wish we could shoot a laser beam at the plane like Eric Bogosian did in Under Siege 2 and blow them all to smithereens.
:-D
Quote from: SunMo on June 19, 2007, 10:09:47 PM
they just showed video of Sarge snagging a ball in the booth, Wheels looked genuinely scared...fuggot
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haha, there it is eddy
The only thing cheaper than Wheeler's rug is the farging nine dollar watch he got at Wal-Mart.
I wonder if he shoves that up Monty's ass when the two of them farg.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read ridiculous bullshtein like this:
Quote"I was saying last night to C.C. [Sabathia], 'Man, I haven't bunted in so long,' " Rollins said. "I don't even know how to bunt, but I'm going to try."
How the farg can a leadoff hitter in the major leagues not know how to bunt? Even if he was being facetious it's still an asinine comment to make. If he was being serious, Jesus Christ...
Jimmy Rollins desperately wants to be anything other than a leadoff hitter. He swings for the fences non stop, has no idea how to take a walk and now is claiming he can't bunt. What a joke.
he wasnt kidding...its sad too that a team that has come up so short the last five years has players uttering stuff like this...its just the overall team attitude lead by the manager of not caring whether they lose or not
last night in one inning rolling screwed up a double play ball then howard couldnt get a throw off to second to get the lead runner then rollins booted a ball...all within like five minutes...and what does rollins do...he just shrugged his shoulders then laughed it off to utley...it was disgusting and was a microcosim of this team over the last three years and why they will never win
I don't even blame Rollins for saying it. I blame the Phillies for allowing a guy blessed with that sort of speed to completely ignore a segment of the game that could help them win. How the farg can a guy not know how to bunt in the major leagues? Even worse, how can a team allow its leadoff hitter to ignore it completely?
You wonder why they haven't won a ring in 27 years? There's a good place to start for answers.
The Phils are the Arizona Cardinals of MLB. Why does anything other than winning surprise anyone when it comes to this team?
Um, he was joking. What the problem with saying that? Its obvious he knows how to bunt.
And I knew someone would make a comment about Rollins "laughing" it off. If you noticed he kicked the dirt afterwards. I swear only in Philly do smiles and chuckles get met with outrageous comments. OH MY GOD! HE SMILED! HE fargING SMILED! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!?! LETS CALL ANGELO AND BRING IT UP BECAUSE THAT ATTYTOOD DONT FLY HERE, PAL! Get over it.
And yeah, they dont care if they win or lose. Please.
First of all, settle down roid rage-boy. :-D
Second, if you read Zolecki's column, nowhere does it mention that he was joking. He quoted Rollins as if the comments were made with a straight face, not with a wink.
Third - would it really be that much of a surprise if what he said was true and not some sort of yuckety-yuck?
Finally, the whole "just kidding" thing is played out. Considering this group has never even made the playoffs, a little more living and dying with wins and losses would be a refreshing change.
OMG HE WAS TALKING TO SABATHIA?!
I'm cool as always. I only get roid-raged during McNabb discussions. ;)
I read the Inky this morning and I took it as joking because CC and Jimmy are friends. They mentioned something about Jimmy joking about it on the broadcast too. And my ultra-negative friend who hates Jimmy Rollins and wants to butt sex Jose Reyes pretty much had the same reaction as y'all.
Yes.
I understand what you're saying, and even though its the soon-to-be-10K-loss Phillies who haven't won since I wore a diaper, you know as well as I do that baseball is a marathon. They're gonna be clowning around. All serious all the time won't get it done. Although I would like to see the stupid shaving cream pies stopped. That is dumber 'n shtein.
Finally, the whole "just kidding" thing is played out. Considering this group has never even made the playoffs, a little more living and dying with wins and losses would be a refreshing change.
exactly
and they absolutely dont care if they lose...just read the paper after games they lose...they are like doesnt matter its a long season...cant win every game...theres still 100 games left....we just have to go out there and do it...all teams go thru losses like this...blah blah blah....
while that all may be true maybe if you went out with the attitude that youre going to win every game (even if youre not) youd win the extra few games that you miss the playoffs by every year
that will never happen with this team and its even worse now that they have a manager that is as lax and incompetant as the players are
I wish that the players would care about them losing and winning as much as we, the fans, do. It doesn't seem that way with this group.
Quote"I'm completely accepting the fact that I suck right now," Geary said.
So instead of working on his pitching, he shaved off his goatee....
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2007, 10:52:05 AM
Finally, the whole "just kidding" thing is played out. Considering this group has never even made the playoffs, a little more living and dying with wins and losses would be a refreshing change.
exactly
and they absolutely dont care if they lose...just read the paper after games they lose...they are like doesnt matter its a long season...cant win every game...theres still 100 games left....we just have to go out there and do it...all teams go thru losses like this...blah blah blah....
while that all may be true maybe if you went out with the attitude that youre going to win every game (even if youre not) youd win the extra few games that you miss the playoffs by every year
that will never happen with this team and its even worse now that they have a manager that is as lax and incompetant as the players are
Stop blaming the manager. They were the same way under Bowa too.
And what do you want them to say? Players, and I'm talking about those on winning teams, speak often about how the grind is and you have to have fun.
I guess they should be suicidal after losses. You cannot play a competitive sport and not care of you lose. Unless you're name is Pat Burrell or Rod Barajas.
id love to hear just one time someone from the team be like we have to win these games in june because they mean just as much as the games in september
never happen tho....check the inky article the day after they got worked by the royals...rollins and manuel are pathetic....
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The tease continues.
The Phillies swept the Braves in Atlanta two weeks ago, only to lose five of seven at home to Arizona and San Francisco. They continued their tug-of-war with .500 last week when they swept the Mets in New York, only to lose two of three this weekend to the Kansas City Royals, including yesterday's brutal 17-5 defeat at Kauffman Stadium.
Up and down. Down and up. That has been the Phillies way.
"They beat us," manager Charlie Manuel said. "They totally beat us. You act like we're supposed to win every game. It isn't going to happen if you measure out our club. If you think we're going to win every game, that's not going to happen. There are going to be days when we get hammered."
Jimmy Rollins offered an optimistic take on the Phils' just-completed road trip through New York and Kansas City, in which they finished 4-2.
"You know sports," Rollins said. "That's why they call it beautiful."
Does it feel beautiful?
"For them it does," he said. "That's all that matters. It was a successful road trip. You can't say we went to New York expecting to sweep, but we got it. We only got one win here, but they played better ball this series. There wasn't anything that wasn't successful about this road trip. It's just that you look at the team, and on paper you think you should do something. But paper doesn't pitch or hit or throw."
But the numbers don't lie. The Royals are a bad baseball team. They started the afternoon with the worst record in baseball. They had the second-worst offense in the American League. They had the fourth-worst pitching staff in the AL.
And they torched the Phillies twice in one weekend.
They pounded injured righthander Freddy Garcia in Friday's 8-4 Phillies loss. They scored six runs in 32/3 innings against lefthander Jamie Moyer (5-5) yesterday.
"I didn't throw the ball well," Moyer said. "I stunk. What can you say? You think that we'd give them better games. I can only speak for today. I didn't throw the ball very well at all. I made some mistakes in the middle of the plate. I got behind hitters. I walked too many people. I didn't help the cause at all. It starts with pitching."
The Phillies trailed by 6-3 in the top of the fifth inning when Ryan Howard hit a two-run home run into the Royals' bullpen in right field.
"When Howard hit his homer, I felt like we still had a good chance to win the game," Manuel said. "I felt like we were in the game. That's why I brought [Ryan] Madson in the game. He could go a couple innings."
Madson had retired four straight batters when he walked Ryan Shealy to start the sixth. He walked Joey Gathright with one out and hit David DeJesus with a pitch to load the bases. Mark Grudzielanek singled to score two runs and Mike Sweeney singled to knock in another run, making it 9-5.
Sweeney hit a ball off Madson's hand in the fifth inning, but Madson said that did not affect him in the sixth. Regardless, Jose Mesa allowed two runs in 11/3 innings in his Phillies debut and Geoff Geary allowed five runs (two earned) in a third of an inning. Francisco Rosario also allowed a run.
The Phillies had not allowed 17 runs since May 13, 2002, when they lost, 17-3, to the host Houston Astros.
Brandon Duckworth took the loss that afternoon. He allowed the two-run homer to Howard yesterday.
So the Phillies continue to frustrate their fans.
Are the Phillies just as baffled?
"It doesn't baffle me," Manuel said. "I sat there and watched the game. It didn't baffle me at all. I see a team with 17 runs and 14 hits. I expect to play better, yeah. But what the hell?"
But why does the inconsistency continue?
"I don't have any answers to that," Moyer said. "It is [frustrating]. We worked so hard to play well in New York."
And then this.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2007, 11:08:41 AM
id love to hear just one time someone from the team be like we have to win these games in june because they mean just as much as the games in september
never happen tho....check the inky article the day after they got worked by the royals...rollins and manuel are pathetic....
Whats worse is they've had that mentality from the get-go. They started out 4-11 which translated to "we're only 15 games into the season". When you've missed the playoffs by 2 or 3 games for consecutive years that mentality should have been waived bye bye.
Well, they did say that starting strong was important because every game counts. Now we all know they shtein the bed in April but whats the record since the 3-10 start? They talked all spring about starting strong so there's some comments for you to go dig up.
But it's all talk, igy. They talked about starting good and farged it up. So who gives a shtein what they say now? Give me results. I couldn't care less what they say to Todd Zolecki or Mrs. MDS, Marcus Hayes and whatever other beat writers are there. Just like I don't put much stock in what the Eagles players say publicly I don't put much into what the Phillies say either.
You're looking for soothing quotes and quite frankly it doesn't make a lick of a difference who says what and when. Get it done on the field.
Stop blaming the manager. They were the same way under Bowa too.
yeah the players are pieces of shtein....i say that all the time...but they are currently worse than ever because of this particularly manager...who is the worst manager ive ever seen in the all my years of watching baseball
I guess they should be suicidal after losses. You cannot play a competitive sport and not care of you lose. Unless you're name is Pat Burrell or Rod Barajas.
you cant pick and choose players...just cause you dont like burrell and barajas doesnt mean they are the only players culpable on the team...rollins and victorino for example are just as bad as burrell in terms of wanting to win...caring about losing...doing the right things to win ect...its just that they happen to put up numbers that burrell doesnt...just cause rollins is one of your favorite players doesnt mean he has a different attitude than burrell...i love rollins myself but you gotta call em like you see em
burrell is the worst case because he sucks as a player both in statistics and in how he plays the game
I picked those two Hoydas because I hate them more than you hate Joe Banner. But I hear ya. And in the end it comes down to winning the ballgames. Like I said before...I don't care who says what. Jimmy Rollins could tell the world he wants to farg my girl...I dont care. Play SS and do your thing JRoll.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 20, 2007, 11:03:57 AM
Quote"I'm completely accepting the fact that I suck right now," Geary said.
So instead of working on his pitching, he shaved off his goatee....
The only way he'd help the Phillies is if he sliced open his jugular and bled to death.
Whats worse is they've had that mentality from the get-go. They started out 4-11 which translated to "we're only 15 games into the season". When you've missed the playoffs by 2 or 3 games for consecutive years that mentality should have been waived bye bye.
POTD
Or taking a pitch in the first inning every now and then.
and not trying to steal a base down 7-3 in the 7th inning
Or legging it out to first base on a routine ground-out?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 20, 2007, 11:31:01 AM
Or legging it out to first base on a routine ground-out?
that one really bothers me
If you had half the heart of Ruettiger, you'd be first string!
Chavez and Dellucci blew out hamstrings while running hard to first!
More proof that baseball players aren't athletes.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 20, 2007, 11:41:46 AM
If you had half the heart of Ruettiger, you'd be first string!
You just summed up your sorry career with that one statement!
I was looking for tickets to Penn State & Notre Dame in September just before posting that.
:-D
Shut up the lot of you. These shteinbags aren't winning anything.
I would like to put $10 on the Indians straight up tonight. Who wants in on this action?
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2007, 02:51:35 PM
I would like to put $10 on the Indians straight up tonight. Who wants in on this action?
Sabathia vs. Leiter? You could spot me five runs and I wouldn't want that action.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2007, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2007, 02:51:35 PM
I would like to put $10 on the Indians straight up tonight. Who wants in on this action?
Sabathia vs. Leiter? You could spot me five runs and I wouldn't want that action.
Is it Mark or Al taking the mound tonight?
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2007, 04:17:08 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2007, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2007, 02:51:35 PM
I would like to put $10 on the Indians straight up tonight. Who wants in on this action?
Sabathia vs. Leiter? You could spot me five runs and I wouldn't want that action.
Is it Mark or Al taking the mound tonight?
Whoops. Leiber. Same crappy pitcher, different name.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2007, 04:18:22 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2007, 04:17:08 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2007, 04:11:27 PM
Sabathia vs. Leiter? You could spot me five runs and I wouldn't want that action.
Is it Mark or Al taking the mound tonight?
Whoops. Leiber. Same crappy pitcher, different name.
Al, a Toms River native, may have something to say about that.
Career ERA:
Al Leiter - 3.80
Mark Leiter - 4.57
Jon Lieber - 4.26
The two Leiters average out to a Lieber, though. VORP
I meant Mark, since he continued a Phillies tradition of having the wrong brother.
Mark Leiter
Mike Maddux
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2007, 04:35:54 PM
I meant Mark, since he continued a Phillies tradition of having the wrong brother.
Mark Leiter
Mike Maddux
Vince Dimaggio
Ken Brett
Juan Bell
jeremy giambi
Frank Stallone
Wonderful...that bitch David Montgomery is going to be on camera all night. He's sitting in the picture when a LH batter is at the plate.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 20, 2007, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2007, 04:35:54 PM
I meant Mark, since he continued a Phillies tradition of having the wrong brother.
Mark Leiter
Mike Maddux
Vince Dimaggio
Ken Brett
Juan Bell
At least they had the right Delahanty!
Werth just got lucky.
Sabathia's going to no hit these bums.
Barrajas just went yard. :o
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2007, 07:32:45 PM
Sabathia's going to no hit these bums.
Mmmmm... thankfully, no.
That's hilarious. I literally posted that thinking, "Hey, maybe it will jinx him..."
Helms was at the plate at the time, singled, then Barajas hit the homer.
HELMS AND BARAJAS FEVER... CATCH IT!
Howard just committed an error and allowed a run to score. 2-1 Philaminas.
probably a good thing he dropped it cause had he caught it he would have def thrown the ball into left field
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2007, 07:56:50 PM
probably a good thing he dropped it cause had he caught it he would have def thrown the ball into left field
True.
Both of Howard's at-bats tonight he's looked clueless against Sabaththththahhaa.
What's more important is how super the "big bats" in the lineup are doing tonight.
HELMS.
BARAJAS.
Howard... :boom
Clutch K by Lieber. He only needed like 18 pitches to do it.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 20, 2007, 08:16:04 PM
Clutch K by Lieber. He only needed like 18 pitches to do it.
That could have been a big fat inning for the Tribe though; I'll take it even if it was 30 pitches.
does choke dog golden sombrero it tonight?
the dog with a huge hit
off a great lefthander too
maybe hes turning a corner finally
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2007, 08:27:27 PM
does choke dog golden sombrero it tonight?
Or does he hit a 2-out RBI double?
Just when you think he looks helpless he rips a double. Howard's coming around, doode.
except the dog is going to end up giving back as many runs as he takes
you gotta catch that ball right there
the cleveland announcers are killing him for his fielding...they said choke dog has an ejector mitt...lolol....and hasnt made a play at first all night
He had a nice scoop on a sick play by Rollins last night.
He also made a nice diving backhand stop on a ground ball last night.
His fielding is atrocious but his offense usually makes up for it in spades.
As for the pieces of garbage throwing the ball, I hope Lieber gets hit by a runaway hot dog cart on his way out of the stadium. Fat, useless piece of shtein.
The DH position was made for Ryan Howard. His defense is embarrassing.
And now the floodgates open.
Lieber's hurt too. I bet he originally hurt his leg when he had to move his big ass 4 feet to the right to field that slow roller that Howard couldn't scoop. That's how Lieber hurt his groin last year - trying to field his position. He sucks.
choke dog is a hack with an ejector mitt....like phreak said the dh position was invented for fat lards like him
I hate this team.
NY is losing and the Braves are getting bitched....the Phils get the lead and then turn around and give it back. And they don't just give it back...they let the Indians sodomize them.
Worthless fargs.
QuoteLieber trying to seal a series victory for Phils
:-D :-D
And now Yoel is in. I hate them.
It's not over yet! Go team!
how can the phillies with a straight face have a team that brings in back to back mike zagurski and yoel hernandez in a tight game
farg they sicken me
i hope pat gillick dies when hes on the crapper.
Like I said...poked right in the butt.
4-2 to 10-4 in matter of minutes.
You Philadelphia Phillies, ladies and gents.
I hope that bum Monty is still sitting in his field level seat watching this carnage.
I'd rather play Boggle than watch this garbage.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2007, 09:15:31 PM
how can the phillies with a straight face have a team that brings in back to back mike zagurski and yoel hernandez in a tight game
farg they sicken me
Yoel Hernandez
Mike Zagurski
JOSE MESA
Brian Sanches
Geoff Geary
Pat Gillick = GM of the Year.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2007, 09:18:13 PM
I'd rather play Boggle than watch this garbage.
Have at it, bro (http://www.fun-with-words.com/boggle.html).
i hope the team plane goes down in rural ohio tonight
on a happier note i am working murps ASS in fantasy this week
Even the back end of the pen, Madson and Alf, isn't good at all. The starters outside of Cole are legit candidates to farg up. Gillick is horrible.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 20, 2007, 09:25:55 PM
on a happier note i am working murps ASS in fantasy this week
Why? Did he draft Jabar Gaffney in the 7th round?
The Phillies pitching staff has given up 48 runs in their last six games.
FORTY. EIGHT.
how many?
Not sure. I think it had a Q in it.
(http://media.philly.com/images/0621_phillies_losers.jpg)
awesome
yo sd what website is doing that countdown
Philly.com (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/) (scroll down)
I love this city
You know that banner has to piss off the Phillies. I'm actually surprised that they're still posting it on the site considering the incestual nature that the media has with sports teams in Philly, especially the Phillies.
look at the article right below the banner....the phillies are doing everything possible to minimize the effect of this record by attempting to confuse everyone on when its really gonna happen
This team went from a bad team with a few bright spots to a Bad News Bears type laughing stock last night. The Indians announcers were laughing their asses off, especially when Utley couldn't figure out a way to pick up the ball laying next to him in the grass. Saw Rollins laughing his ass off and joking with the guy (Gonzalez, Hernandez, whatever) farging Geary pegged WITH NO ONE AT FIRST BASE. farging disgrace.
I'll keep watching though, and get somewhat excited and intrigued when they are three games out of the wild card....
they are 4.5 games out now....this year isnt going to be like the last several...they are actually worse now...if they finish five or less games out of the wild card id be shocked...im expecting closer to ten back when alls said and done
If they get to a point where they're more than 10 out of the wildcard then Cholly & Gillick should both be sent packing immediately.
you know once Gillick goes, Amaro is your new GM, right? i'm not sure i'd rather have old man river
Gillick is to Clarke as Amaro is to Holmgren.
Or something like that.
except for the fact that Amaro was tutored by Ed Wade
Ed Wade is responsible for Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins & Cole Hamels being on the squad, so it's not all bad.
Who runs the team from the GM's office doesn't matter anyway. Until ownership and Montgomery are gone the team is going to be garbage.
Mike Arbuckle is responsible for them, Ed Wade is only responsible for keeping them in the minors longer than necessary
Ed Wade = baseball AIDS
True but is he worse than Gillick has been?
Gillick is champ of the wrong moves. Wade is the champ of no moves. But it's a close 2nd on both sides.
not even close...Gillicks made some poor decisions, but made some good moves too
Ed Wade was flat out incompetent
Quote from: SunMo on June 21, 2007, 12:51:31 PM
Ed Wade was flat out incompetent
The only thing at this point I give Wade credit for was he at least made some attempts at building a bullpen.
Arbuckle is also responsible for the minor league development of stupid players who have no sense of fundamentals at all. Marti Wolever gets more credit from me for finding some of that young talent and drafting them.
As for the big time name-dropper Johnny Marz saying Girardi is holding out for the Phils? I'd take him here. But there's no way the ultra-sensitive and want-no-waves-made Phillies ownership will hire a guy who was fired for clashing with his GM and ownership.
Hell, I'm surprised that Charlie hasn't been told to shut up for his recent and continued shots at Gillick.
that's only because they don't understand what he's saying, phreak
i know the phils would never mess up their fluffy clubhouse with a maniac like milton bradley but they should take a run at him
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2007, 08:22:39 AM
i know the phils would never mess up their fluffy clubhouse with a maniac like milton bradley but they should take a run at him
His brother Hasboro is worse than him
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 22, 2007, 08:39:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2007, 08:22:39 AM
i know the phils would never mess up their fluffy clubhouse with a maniac like milton bradley but they should take a run at him
His brother Hasboro is worse than him
D
They needed another right handed bat so he'd make sense, maybe they'd take Helms. ha.
Carrasco might be here sooner than later (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070622_Carrasco_impressive_in_first_Double_A_start.html) - despite what those in the organization say.
I saw Carrasco pitch twice this year in regular games and again in the all-star game the other night. He absolutely has the stuff to pitch in the majors. Excellent control, great command of the strike zone, etc.
However, there is no way in the world he's ready for the majors. He's at least 200-300 innings away from the Phillies even THINKING of bringing him up. He needs seasoning and the only way he's going to get that is to do his time in the minor leagues. He needs to get knocked around a bit and learn what it's like to pitch through adversity. If they bring him up he'll get shelled and it will likely set him back quite a ways.
He's only 20 years old. Let him finish out the season in Reading and then do another either at Reading or at AAA. No need to rush with a prospect like that.
But he's the last piece they need to win it all!
In 2009.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 22, 2007, 10:19:45 AM
I saw Carrasco pitch twice this year in regular games and again in the all-star game the other night. He absolutely has the stuff to pitch in the majors. Excellent control, great command of the strike zone, etc.
However, there is no way in the world he's ready for the majors. He's at least 200-300 innings away from the Phillies even THINKING of bringing him up. He needs seasoning and the only way he's going to get that is to do his time in the minor leagues. He needs to get knocked around a bit and learn what it's like to pitch through adversity. If they bring him up he'll get shelled and it will likely set him back quite a ways.
He's only 20 years old. Let him finish out the season in Reading and then do another either at Reading or at AAA. No need to rush with a prospect like that.
Since when did a 20-21 year old starting in the major league become anathema? It used to be fairly common.
Major league debuts:
Steve Carlton - 20
Bob Feller - 17
Robin Roberts - 21
Dick Ruthven - 19
Nolan Ryan - 19
Sandy Koufax - 19
Tom Seaver - 22
Don Drysdale - 19
Dwight Gooden - 19
Larry Christenson - 19
Curt Schilling - 21
Vida Blue - 19
Curt Simmons - 18
Whitey Ford - 21
Chris Short - 21
Ferguson Jenkins - 22
Frank Tanana - 19
Warren Spahn - 21
These were just names off the top of my head, some HOFers, some decent pitchers in their careers. Some didn't become full time for a season or two (Spahn and Whitey Ford missed time for military service).
I'm not saying that Carrasco should be brought up, but this extreme babying of pitchers is one of the reasons that the quality of pitching in general is so poor. Don't throw too many innings! Don't bring him up too young! Don't throw too many pitches!
Milton Bradley + Phillies fans = bomb waiting to go off.
Although it would be exciting when he leaps into the stands and pounds Joe from Fishtown because he's getting heckled all night long.
it still happens
in recent years here are some i could come up with...im sure im missing many
homer bailey - 21
gavin floyd - 20
felix hernandez - 19
phil hughes - 20
francisco liriano - 20
scott kazmir - 20
dontrelle willis - 21
classic
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20070622_Bill_Conlin___HOW_GRATING_THOU_ART.html
Why does he repeat the stuff in italics in regular print?
Hahaha:
QuoteHugh would be called an "innings eater" today and make $7 million a year.
That happens all the time, FF. It's a website issue not Conlin repeating himself.
PS: @ Geo... look at the names you listed. Now, multiple that list by about 100 and you'll have the number of pitchers who were brought up before they were ready and ended up flaming out.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 22, 2007, 01:08:27 PM
That happens all the time, FF. It's a website issue not Conlin repeating himself.
PS: @ Geo... look at the names you listed. Now, multiple that list by about 100 and you'll have the number of pitchers who were brought up before they were ready and ended up flaming out.
Same could be said for 100s of pitchers that come up at 25.
The only reason they would be brought up at 20ish anyway would be because they would be considered a phenom of sorts, or at least a projected ace or high #2?
I would imagine that the success rate of pitchers brought up at 19-22 is a higher success rate than those brought up at 23 and older.
Apples & oranges.
Phils face 0-8 Anthony Reyes tonight. And notorious Phillie-killer Kip Wells (who Ed Wade had a hard on for and offered Ryan Howard for him, thanks Pittsburgh for being dumber than Ed Wade) on Sunday.
Any doubt those two baffle this offense?
QuotePhillies sign lefthander Romero
By Todd Zolecki
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
ST. LOUIS - The Phillies have signed free-agent lefthander J.C. Romero to a minor-league contract.
Romero, 31, will spend the immediate future working out with the rookie-level Gulf Coast League Phillies, but the Phillies hope Romero can help them at the big-league level at some point.
He went 1-0 with a 3.15 earned run average in 23 appearances this season for the Boston Red Sox, but he also allowed 24 hits and 15 walks in 20 innings. He walked more batters than he struck out (11).
The Red Sox released Romero, who had been designated for assignment, on June 19
romero was one of the best middle relievrs in the majors a few years ago...not sure exactly why he fell off the map but i like the idea of taking a shot at him
I like it too. Hell, I'm all for the sign anyone you can and see if they can stick approach because the BP is such a joke. Also, and not that it matters much, but Zolecki says in his blog that Matt Smith has been shut down in AAA because of elbow trouble.
cardinal fans are loyal to a fault
i think id puke if i lived in st louis
no wonder weaksauce scott rolen wanted to go there
moyer is feast or famine
its not that their loyal. they fawn of the cardinals like a bunch of teenage girls do to nelly or whatever the farg they like these days.
they dont even fawn cause everyone in the stadium is 50 and older...they no matter what go CRAZY for a cardinal good play...regardless of the score....they didnt even boo encarcion on that hideous play earlier
kinda reminds me of easy and the fightins
also joe buck on cardinal broadcasts is so much better than the fox games...like a different announcer...very good stuff
No mention of a couple nice defensive plays by Howard?
they were routine for a normal man...but because howard didnt farg them up they deserve attention?
more important is the fact that hes had another nice nite at the plate...hes on fire right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2007, 10:17:04 PM
they dont even fawn cause everyone in the stadium is 50 and older...they no matter what go CRAZY for a cardinal good play...regardless of the score....they didnt even boo encarcion on that hideous play earlier
kinda reminds me of easy and the fightins
also joe buck on cardinal broadcasts is so much better than the fox games...like a different announcer...very good stuff
and white. lilly white. not that baseball isnt a white sport, but i think theres maybe tops 20 black people there per game. phillies games are pretty bad too.
20 is pushing it...there might be twenty tonight cause choke dog is in town
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2007, 10:25:28 PM
they were routine for a normal man...but because howard didnt farg them up they deserve attention?
more important is the fact that hes had another nice nite at the plate...hes on fire right now
They were good enough for Joe Buck to speak of Howard "robbing" a guy of a hit, but not good enough for igy, I suppose.
Yes, he's a butcher, but he did make a few nice plays tonight. Not just for Ryan Howard- for anyone.
over/under on runs allowed by mesa = 2
i dont give a flying farg what joe buck says...if anything he was surprised dog scooped the ball...the color guy even said right after the one play "ryan howard not known for his fielding"....like they couldnt believe he made it
look at it again..not the easiest play ever but def routine
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2007, 10:39:14 PM
i dont give a flying farg what joe buck says...if anything he was surprised dog scooped the ball...the color guy even said right after the one play "ryan howard not known for his fielding"....like they couldnt believe he made it
look at it again..not the easiest play ever but def routine
Quotejoe buck on cardinal broadcasts is so much better than the fox games...like a different announcer...very good stuff
You seem to be reluctant to give him the least bit of credit for anything. Again, I agree that his fielding is usually atrocious. He made several good plays tonight, once saving at least one run, and you can't even seem to acknowledge it.
They may not be ESPN "plays of the week," but to just blow them off as routine isn't fair to Howard. Again, they were good plays for any first baseman.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 22, 2007, 11:15:03 PM
You seem to be reluctant to give him the least bit of credit for anything.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2007, 10:25:28 PM
more important is the fact that hes had another nice nite at the plate...hes on fire right now
And who said that was going to happen eventually? ;D
Madson is GOLD with a 5-run lead.
Hopefully we'll see more of this the rest of the season:
(http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6940456_7_2.jpg)
This team loves giving up double digits and then shutting out the team the following game.
The Cards are terrible. The brooms need to be out this weekend.
Phils followed up one of their best games of the season last night with an absolute clunker this afternoon losing 8-3.
Disgusting.
3-11 Kip Wells has never lost to the Phils in his career
The other lard ass on the starting staff might be done for the year (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070623/SPORTS/70623016)
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 23, 2007, 06:22:34 PM
The other lard ass on the starting staff might be done for the year (http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070623/SPORTS/70623016)
That damned peroneus longus tendon will get you every time.
His name is Mark Beurhle. Or Burhley. Or igy.
Phils followed up one of their best games of the season last night with an absolute clunker this afternoon losing 8-3.
lol @ one of their best games
you people will never ever understand that this is what the fightins are.....a 500 team at best
i beg all of yous to realize that this team is a joke...and to stop making ignorant posts that try and lead people on to believe that this team can make the playoffs
a .500 team in the NL is not only NOT a joke, but also could possibly make the playoffs. Just sayin.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 23, 2007, 10:41:57 PM
Phils followed up one of their best games of the season last night with an absolute clunker this afternoon losing 8-3.
lol @ one of their best games
you people will never ever understand that this is what the fightins are.....a 500 team at best
i beg all of yous to realize that this team is a joke...and to stop making ignorant posts that try and lead people on to believe that this team can make the playoffs
First of all, they won 6-0, so yes, it was one of their best games of the season. They had great pitching, timely hitting and played great defense behind Moyer.
Secondly, I know full well what this team is. I don't need you to express your usual bloated and bombastic opinions to remind me of what they are and what they represent.
Finally, I never once suggested anything of the sort regarding them reaching the playoffs. The Phillies don't have a prayer of winning the Pennant much less the World Series with the grotesque pitching staff they have. As I've said numerous times to you in the past... just because I don't think they can win the World Series doesn't mean I won't cheer for them like hell all season and express joy when they win. That's what fans do, IGY. Stop being such a joyless pessimistic douchebag, already.
Mike Bourn batting second today! Woohoo infield singles.
any potential he has to be a starter is being wasted this year, he needs to be playing every day in AAA, getting ABs, but no he's here rotting away
Bums have $29 million worth of pitching on the dl.
Since there aren't guaranteed contracts or a salary cap penalty, what would be the financial benefit of just releasing Burrell? I remember hearing he had a $5 million buy-out clause but I may be mistaken. Regardless, with Gordon, Garcia, and Leiber coming off the books next season, they should have some free money to spend on pitching.
1-2-3 5 pitch 1st inning for killa
I giggled a little at the $29M "worth" comment. Those three aren't worth 29 cents much less 29 million dollars.
One's a liar, one's a malcontent and the other's career is all but over.
your team, your town, your Philadelphia Phillies
Shane-O
It was ball 4 :P
Why did Hamels only pitch three innings?
rain delay
unfortunately he slipped in the shower and broke his neck...he's dead
Quote from: SunMo on June 24, 2007, 06:46:37 PM
unfortunately he slipped in the shower and broke his neck...he's dead
That's the Phillies for you. Just one step closer to 10,000.
Mildly interesting meaningless stat:
ERA:
Cole Hamels - 3.80
Ryan Madsen - 3.75
Good job by the bullpen today, clutch hitting. How bout them phightin Phils! Way to maintain their 3 game deficit.
I turned the TV on right as Victorino hit it. They barely won 2/3 from a putrid Cardinals team, and Alf almost blew it in the ninth. This team is a train wreck.
Manuel is a moron, also. He's not holding Moyer and Eaton off for the Mets series, they'll both pitch as scheduled Wednesday and Thursday against Cinci. That means Hamels and 3 fill-in starters (Kendrick Sunday, Madson for 3-4 innings in a DH game, Mike Pelfrey saturday) against the Mets. If they win 1 I'd be pleased. This team is just stupid.
the season's over...
trade what you can at the deadline and play young guys like Bourn everyday
Quote from: SunMo on June 24, 2007, 01:05:36 PM
any potential he has to be a starter is being wasted this year, he needs to be playing every day in AAA, getting ABs, but no he's here rotting away
Bourn is a pretty bad player. If we lose Rowand and replace him with Bourn we are probably going to have a pretty bad offense next year.
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2007, 08:45:29 PMMike Pelfrey saturday) against the Mets
That'll be interesting to see how they use the Mets pitcher against the Mets
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 24, 2007, 09:53:04 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2007, 08:45:29 PMMike Pelfrey saturday) against the Mets
That'll be interesting to see how they use the Mets pitcher against the Mets
Won't they be surprised? :D
Really, I was hoping the A's would continue the Mets freefall instead of getting swept. Now the Mets get a 4 game set against struggling STL before playing the Phillies AA pitchers. Should be a disaster. We'll see.
Went to the Cards/Phillies game thisa afternoon. Long freaking afternoon, it was. And because I had my kids with me, it was a no-drinking afternoon.
The intentional walk of Howard will be questioned all night and tomorrow by the St. Louis sports radio crowd.
Anyway -- question about Antonio Alfonseca. Is six fingers evolution, de-evolution, or just a freaking freak-show attraction?
Quote from: Billy Beane on June 24, 2007, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: SunMo on June 24, 2007, 01:05:36 PM
any potential he has to be a starter is being wasted this year, he needs to be playing every day in AAA, getting ABs, but no he's here rotting away
Bourn is a pretty bad player. If we lose Rowand and replace him with Bourn we are probably going to have a pretty bad offense next year.
Pencil him in as an all-star now then. Everyone who you blast away on turns out to be good and people you praise turn out to be shtein. How's your boy Patty doing? What's he hitting, .149?, since April? Stud!
Quote from: Father Demon on June 24, 2007, 10:38:36 PM
Went to the Cards/Phillies game thisa afternoon. Long freaking afternoon, it was. And because I had my kids with me, it was a no-drinking afternoon.
The intentional walk of Howard will be questioned all night and tomorrow by the St. Louis sports radio crowd.
Anyway -- question about Antonio Alfonseca. Is six fingers evolution, de-evolution, or just a freaking freak-show attraction?
Freak show all the way.
"Come see the pregnant guy with six fingers, six toes and is a professional athlete!!"
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 24, 2007, 09:53:04 PM
Quote from: MDS on June 24, 2007, 08:45:29 PMMike Pelfrey saturday) against the Mets
That'll be interesting to see how they use the Mets pitcher against the Mets
Oh shtein. Thought that was just some random minor leaguer on the Phils. I guess that's why you're the backbone of the internets, Easy.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 24, 2007, 02:27:53 PM
Bums have $29 million worth of pitching on the dl.
that's exactly what Gillick and Manuel will point to at the end of the year when they miss the playoffs again. it might even be enough of an excuse to bring Manuel back for a few years.
Quote from: Billy Beane on June 24, 2007, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: SunMo on June 24, 2007, 01:05:36 PM
any potential he has to be a starter is being wasted this year, he needs to be playing every day in AAA, getting ABs, but no he's here rotting away
Bourn is a pretty bad player. If we lose Rowand and replace him with Bourn we are probably going to have a pretty bad offense next year.
Hilarious.
Quote
Trade talks fizzle
By RANDY MILLER
ST. LOUIS — The Phillies called the Chicago White Sox to ask about left-hander Mark Buehrle and discovered the price tag is way too high.
They phoned the Florida Marlins to inquire about lefty Dontrelle Willis and were told he's not available.
That's all according to a National League executive who says Phillies management has been contacting every team in a desperate search to fill their latest hole in the starting rotation.
"We'll have something for you in the next couple of days, maybe (tomorrow)," assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said Sunday, a day after the Phils learned veteran starter Jon Lieber could miss the rest of the season with a ruptured tendon in his right foot.
Amaro admitted the Phils are exploring trade possibilities, but isn't optimistic they'll be successful. He said it's more likely the Phillies again will turn to their farm system for a replacement, as they did earlier this month when they brought in Kyle Kendrick from Double-A to fill in for Freddy Garcia, who is out indefinitely with a shoulder injury.
The Phils also need a second fill-in starter for next weekend's series at Citizens Bank Park against the National League East-leading New York Mets. They need a spot starter for Friday's day-night doubleheader and another Saturday to take Lieber's spot.
They could make one of those games a bullpen game — they did that in June 2006 at Toronto with reliever Aaron Fultz starting — but Amaro shot that option down.
It appears two Triple-A Ottawa starters, lefty J.A. Happ and righty J.D. Durbin, are the best bets. Happ is a prospect, but has pitched just twice since returning from an elbow injury; Durbin is a journeyman.
Another option is calling up their top prospect, 20-year-old Carlos Carrasco, a right-hander who jumped from Class A Clearwater to Double-A Reading last week.
"I think it's too early to think about (Happ and Carrasco) in a perfect world, but in reality we have to have starters for Friday and Saturday, so we'll talk about everyone," assistant GM Mike Arbuckle said. "It's a tough call. We have to think it through a little bit. At the same time, we have to look outside. We're OK until Friday, so we have a few days to look."
Arbuckle said if the Phils do land a starter in a trade, it probably won't be a front-line player.
"Nobody can give up a good starter, so you're going to get a marginal guy like (Mike) Maroth if you can get it," Arbuckle said.
Before Lieber's injury, the Phils weren't interested in Maroth, who was traded on Friday from Detroit to St. Louis.
"We gotta fill in our holes as much as possible and go from there," manager Charlie Manuel said. "But I'm realistic about things. I see every team in baseball needs pitching, and I know how hard it is to get.
"There's no sense in me complaining when I realize exactly what's going on in baseball. It's hard to find a guy that's going to come in here and be lights out or really help us."
Ha.
J.D. Durbin has dreamy hair.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/J._D._Durbin.jpg/200px-J._D._Durbin.jpg)
QuoteST. LOUIS — The Phillies called the Chicago White Sox to ask about left-hander Mark Buehrle and discovered the price tag is way too high.
Their commitment to win at any cost is awe-inspiring.
:yay
Let's trade Carrasco and Happ for someone old, preferably a middle-relief specialist.
Frankly, I would rather not obtain another pitcher from the White Sox.
Word is the Phils were looking to sign Rod Beck out of retirement.
QuoteBoard Member 1: I've never heard of half of these guys and the ones I do know are way past their prime.
Pat Gillick: Most of these guys never had a prime.
Board Member 2: This guy here is dead!
Dave Montgomery: Cross him off then.
From a Phillies beat writer:
QuoteInteresting story today concerning the sad news about Rod Beck. During the rain delay several press people were talking to assistant GM Ruben Amaro and someone asked if he had heard the news about Beck.
Amaro's response?
"Who signed him?"
Not even kidding, unfortunately. (For his part, Amaro felt genuinely bad about his lack of decorum.)
:-D
it would've been funnier if he said:
"Who signed him?"
and somebody said: "God did"
Much funneyer.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 25, 2007, 12:48:46 AM
Quote from: Billy Beane on June 24, 2007, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: SunMo on June 24, 2007, 01:05:36 PM
any potential he has to be a starter is being wasted this year, he needs to be playing every day in AAA, getting ABs, but no he's here rotting away
Bourn is a pretty bad player. If we lose Rowand and replace him with Bourn we are probably going to have a pretty bad offense next year.
Pencil him in as an all-star now then. Everyone who you blast away on turns out to be good and people you praise turn out to be shtein. How's your boy Patty doing? What's he hitting, .149?, since April? Stud!
Yea look at how well Freddy Garcia is doing!
Man, I should have listened to you guys when you told me that losing 8 mph on his fastball wasn't going to effect his ability to pitch and that he wasn't a pretty big injuy risk!
Are you going to cry a little?
Bourn's been on base a total of 20 times this season (14 hits, 6 walks). He has 10 steals and is hitting .304 at the moment with two triples.
But yeah, he's a pretty bad player.
Quote from: Billy Beane on June 25, 2007, 06:06:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 25, 2007, 12:48:46 AM
Quote from: Billy Beane on June 24, 2007, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: SunMo on June 24, 2007, 01:05:36 PM
any potential he has to be a starter is being wasted this year, he needs to be playing every day in AAA, getting ABs, but no he's here rotting away
Bourn is a pretty bad player. If we lose Rowand and replace him with Bourn we are probably going to have a pretty bad offense next year.
Pencil him in as an all-star now then. Everyone who you blast away on turns out to be good and people you praise turn out to be shtein. How's your boy Patty doing? What's he hitting, .149?, since April? Stud!
Yea look at how well Freddy Garcia is doing!
Man, I should have listened to you guys when you told me that losing 8 mph on his fastball wasn't going to effect his ability to pitch and that he wasn't a pretty big injuy risk!
Good job trying to flip the script. So what Freddy Garcia sucked. You've been swinging from the sack of Pat for awhile now and hating on Rowand like he raped your girlfriend. Now you don't like Bourn because he's moving in on your boys playing time.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 25, 2007, 07:13:38 PMBourn's been on base a total of 20 times this season (14 hits, 6 walks).
And that's not counting all the times he replaced Pat
I'm not sure why anyone listens to Robert. Then again, why would anyone listen to me?
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 25, 2007, 04:26:11 PM
J.D. Durbin has dreamy hair.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/J._D._Durbin.jpg/200px-J._D._Durbin.jpg)
QuoteP Durbin to start Friday for Phils
Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - The Philadelphia Phillies announced that J.D. Durbin will have his contract purchased on Friday and will start part of the Phils' double-header against the Mets that day.
Which game of Friday's doubleheader he will start has yet to be determined. An additional transaction will be made to add Durbin to the active roster.
Two injured starting pitchers for Philadephia -- Freddy Garcia (fraying in his rotator cuff) and Jon Lieber (ruptured tendon) -- are unlikely to return this season. Kyle Kendrick, recalled from Double-A Reading, has already made two starts for the Phillies.
The 25-year-old Durbin is 2-4 with a 4.55 ERA in 10 starts for Triple-A Ottawa. The Phillies claimed Durbin off waivers from Boston April 14.
(http://a686.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01371/58/65/1371345685_l.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 25, 2007, 07:26:28 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 25, 2007, 07:13:38 PMBourn's been on base a total of 20 times this season (14 hits, 6 walks).
And that's not counting all the times he replaced Pat
Burrell's the anti-five-tool player. He can't hit for average, can't hit for power, he has no running speed, his arm strength is limited and his fielding ability is laughable.
Quote from: SunMo on June 25, 2007, 04:51:02 PM
it would've been funnier if he said:
"Who signed him?"
and somebody said: "God did"
Even better if they said "Satan did"!!6
I'm getting a Durbin jersey.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 25, 2007, 04:45:07 PM
Word is the Phils were looking to sign Rod Beck out of retirement.
QuoteBoard Member 1: I've never heard of half of these guys and the ones I do know are way past their prime.
Pat Gillick: Most of these guys never had a prime.
Board Member 2: This guy here is dead!
Dave Montgomery: Cross him off then.
ha! Well played Freddie.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves for not laughing/commenting on a well timed Major League quote. Shame on all of you.
Victorino is handling the sports segment for CBS3 in a few minutes
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 25, 2007, 10:37:10 PM
You should all be ashamed of yourselves for not laughing/commenting on a well timed Major League quote. Shame on all of you.
It's sad how there always seems to be several times during any given Phillies season where portions of the movie "Major League" are quite apropos. I'll bet they've tried to fire Manuel, but when they called guys to try to have them manage the team, they said something about "white walls" and hung up on them.
never seen major league
never will
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 06:32:54 AM
never seen major league
never will
Too bad. It's a classic.
Major League 2 and 3 stink, though.
Major League is the Caddyshack of baseball movies
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 06:32:54 AM
never seen major league
never will
You're so cool you shtein ice cubes.
im cool cause i have no desire to ever see major league?
damn that was easy
No... you're a fool because you have no desire to ever see Major League.
(See what I did there? I rhymed fool with cool.)
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 08:13:56 AM
im cool cause i have no desire to ever see major league?
No, your supreme coolitude is due to your dedication to unfounded opinions and use of hyperbole.
That said, even if you watched it, you'd convince yourself the whole time that it sucks, and even if you did like it, you'd never admit it on this board. So, keep on keeping on, dook.
stay in drugs....dont do school
No, your supreme coolitude is due to your dedication to unfounded opinions and use of hyperbole.
i have no opinion on the movie...just that i dont have any desire to see it...and there is no hyperbole here either...one day youll understand the meaning of that word......
its simply a movie that i dont need to ever see...i dont understand why you get your panties in a bunch over stuff like this...just cause you like a movie doesnt mean i have to see it.....get over it
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 08:22:35 AM
stay in drugs....dont do school
I need work! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ruqic-LJUc)
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 08:25:03 AM
i have no opinion on the movie...just that i dont have any desire to see it...and there is no hyperbole here either...one day youll understand the meaning of that word......
its simply a movie that i dont need to ever see...i dont understand why you get your panties in a bunch over stuff like this...just cause you like a movie doesnt mean i have to see it.....get over it
I concede that no one understands hyperbole better than you, as it basically is a wildly overstated estimate or opinion. In this case, your absolute certainty that you'll never see a hilarious baseball movie that's on TV no less than 400 times a year on various channels is laughable.
It is, however, your loss. It's one of the 10 best sports comedies of all time, and it hits close to home rooting for a team of Keystone Cops like the Phillies.
It's one of the 10 best sports comedies of all time
lol...ringing endorsement
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 26, 2007, 08:30:38 AM
It's one of the 10 best sports comedies of all time, and it hits close to home rooting for a team of Keystone Cops like the Phillies.
3rd best sports comedy ever......right behind Fever Pitch and Summer Catch.
Rudy was hilarious.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 26, 2007, 09:17:28 AM
3rd best sports comedy ever......right behind Fever Pitch and Summer Catch.
Whoa... "Summer Catch" reference... well done, sir.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 26, 2007, 09:18:57 AM
Rudy was hilarious.
It would have been better if he died at the end.
It would be sweet if Charley brought in a similar cardboard likeness of Gillick or Wheels to motivate the Phightins.
ha....they keep removing pieces of Wheels' rug until he's bald on October 1
Any movie with Rene Russo gets an automatic thumbs up no matter how trite or stupid they might be.
:yay
Quote from: rjs246 on June 26, 2007, 09:18:57 AM
Rudy was hilarious.
Brian's Song was the funniest sports movie i've ever seen
I love Rudy, but it's essentially a 90 minute advertisement for Notre Dame. Major League is one of the top 5 best sports movies of all time.
"If you ever, ever, pull another stunt like that again, I'm gonna cut your nuts off and stuff 'em down your farging throat."
Stay away from her
Suck my meatcicle
Is April too early for a Roger Dorn night?
QuoteTWO DINOSAURS were sitting on a park bench. One was a cranky sports columnist; the other a beloved baseball broadcaster.
"I don't hear you as much," the columnist said.
"Well, we've got this new format with three in the booth at the start and finish of the ballgame," the Hall of Fame broadcast legend said. "Then I do a solo inning on radio. Radio play-by-play has always been my first love. I want to keep a hand in that."
"No offense," the curmudgeon said, "but the three in the booth for TV sounds like lunch hour at the Tower of Babel. I really don't need a dissertation on why a bunt rolled foul. And I really don't need that 'Keys to the Game' graphic when the key is to 'Score first and keep adding on.' When did Phillies fans become so brain dead they need constant reminding that the object of the game is to score more runs than the other team?"
The dinosaur with the voice that began to deepen just after Lucky Strike Green got back from war shrugged. "Sarge is trying," he said.
"Trying is the correct word," the columnist grumped. "A lot of patiences are being tried. But it's not Sarge; it's the clutter of too many experts trying to trump each other during a game where the picture evidently is no longer worth a thousand words. It's annoying as hell."
The broadcast dinosaur stood and began to walk in the direction of the shiny, new ballpark where the Phillies play, the one Rich Ashburn, his longtime partner and best friend, never lived to see. He sighed and the columnist swore he heard him mutter, "Hard to believe, Whitey."
The end game is never pretty for men who make their living describing the unfolding drama of major league baseball games. It is difficult work requiring great skill, and sooner or later the skills fade for most of them. The eyesight blurs. The instant recall of names and numbers become encapsulated in a fuzzy cocoon of hesitation.
When the Pirates "retired" the wonderfully irreverent and shamelessly partisan Bob Prince, thousands marched in a rally protesting The Gunner's departure.
Harry Caray's death in February of 1998 sent the fans of both Chicago baseball teams into a depth of mourning reserved for heads of state. And after overmatched Tigers president Bo Schembechler pastured iconic Ernie Harwell, the fan reaction took on economic overtones that led to his swift restoration.
No public death in this town's history matched the outpouring of grief and affection that swept us when Rich Ashburn passed away in September of 1997. Just a year earlier, Whitey was in the office of Phillies president Dave Montgomery, an intensely proud man pleading to keep the prized ninth inning as Harry's color man, a trophy that was being handed to Chris Wheeler.
Ashburn told those closest to him that he might retire after the 1997 season. He never lived to make that call.
The July issue of Philadelphia magazine asks under the headline, "The Trouble With Harry," if it is time for him to make one final "Outta here" call - as an overdue exit line. The short piece focuses on a missed call in the Giants series where he attributed an Aaron Rowand homer to Ryan Howard, who had just made an out.
Hell, Ashburn used to make gaffes like that at his broadcast peak. One night in Montreal, he had an Expo pinch-running who had been traded some days before. When Harry said, "Rich, he no longer plays here," Ashburn sputtered, "Well, why doesn't he?"
The subtle knifing quotes one "sports analyst" as saying, "Harry's a shell of himself." Knowing all the sports analysts in this town, be assured that not one of them could carry Harry's current baritone or the skill and passion driving it on their best broadcasting day.
Harry is 71. Twenty-five years ago, we used to go three excruciating sets in 100-degree heat in the sunken center court of Houston's Rice University tennis complex. Then we'd skate our shifts in the Astrodome, knock back a few adult beverages afterward and be back out on the court at high noon the next day. We did that in every city in the National League just about every day for more than a decade.
And, no, we can't do that anymore. The work comes harder, as well, but we can still do what is required. Kalas might stumble on names and facts, but he makes graceful recoveries and is still a great "listen." Hey, if Google charged by the hit, I would be obliged to retire.
Chris Wheeler is now the undisputed lead Phillies TV broadcaster. Finally, Dave Montgomery has come up with somebody who can go nine innings.
Harry Kalas has 2 more years on his contract. I hope he walks away from the love of his life on his terms, not Monty's. Any decision that is not his would be an empty, unfulfilling end to a Hall of Fame career.
i am serious when i say this....sarge is a better announcer than harry right now
and wheels is without a doubt the worst announcer to ever be in this city and id have to think about it but hes probably in the top 3 ive ever heard
in conclusion sarge haters can go to hell
Are you trying to say that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?
that's our Munson...day late and a dollar short
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 03:11:27 PM
i am serious when i say this....sarge is a better announcer than harry right now
and wheels is without a doubt the worst announcer to ever be in this city and id have to think about it but hes probably in the top 3 ive ever heard
in conclusion sarge haters can go to hell
would you rather have wheels announcing all 9 innings on tv? because when harry is gone that's what will happen.
Quote from: SunMo on June 26, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
that's our Munson...day late and a dollar short
Thank you for getting that saying right. I hate it when people say, "day late and a
dime short." I hate it so much that the thought of stabbing them in the eyeball with a fork becomes a real possibility.
i've never ever heard anybody say "dime"
farging hillbillies down here say it all the time and it's infuriating.
It really is too bad the civil war wasn't fought during a time that we could have used zyklon-b on their asses.
would you rather have wheels announcing all 9 innings on tv? because when harry is gone that's what will happen.
rather than what?
Harry is obviously not the play-by-play guy he once was, but his singular calls during great moments in games are well worth putting up with his below average pbp
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 03:24:31 PM
would you rather have wheels announcing all 9 innings on tv? because when harry is gone that's what will happen.
rather than what?
I'm saying your two options are Harry and Wheels. If Harry dies or leaves, then it's Wheels. Even though Harry is old and can't really see anymore, he's still 1000 times better than Wheels ever will be.
It's truly amazing how this team can even farg up their announcing lineup. What an incompetent group of iceholes.
Quote from: SunMo on June 26, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
that's our Munson...day late and a dollar short
I've recently decided to just respond to all of IGY's posts with Major League quotes, until he sees the movie.
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 03:24:31 PM
would you rather have wheels announcing all 9 innings on tv? because when harry is gone that's what will happen.
rather than what?
I'm saying your two options are Harry and Wheels. If Harry dies or leaves, then it's Wheels. Even though Harry is old and can't really see anymore, he's still 1000 times better than Wheels ever will be.
It's truly amazing how this team can even farg up their announcing lineup. What an incompetent group of iceholes.
Wheels is annoying as farg. I'll put up with Harry's mistakes anyday.
senile Harry > Sarge/Wheels
Harry's commentary may be shtein, but his voice is legendary.
I'll repeat myself here when I say they never should have let Scott Graham go.
"They" didn't let Graham go. Wheels wanted to do play by play again, and Franzke was cheaper to keep as the radio guy. Simple.
Scott Graham really got a bad rap in Philly. I listened to him on MLB.TV & the XM broadcasts and I thought he did a great job.
I was in the minority among Phillies fans, at least the closet cases who post on the EMB, anyway.
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2007, 03:41:51 PM
"They" didn't let Graham go. Wheels wanted to do play by play again, and Franzke was cheaper to keep as the radio guy. Simple.
"They" should have kept him - same point, different grammar.
i hated him
even better
he was corny, hackey, and had the worst homerun call in the history of man.
what was there to like?
Quote from: SunMo on June 26, 2007, 03:50:53 PM
what was there to like?
He wasn't Chris Wheeler.
I'm saying your two options are Harry and Wheels. If Harry dies or leaves, then it's Wheels. Even though Harry is old and can't really see anymore, he's still 1000 times better than Wheels ever will be.
oh harry is one trillion times better than wheels...i dont even hate harry...but he is really losing it....harry makes me sad to listen to now cause of how pathetic hes gotten in his making blatant mistakes...its not a dislike or like thing its a pity thing....and who want to see a legend like that fall off so hard...its a willie mays situation now
and ive come around big time on sarge...i dont think hes great or antyhign but hes so bad hes good in a train wreck kinda way to the point that hes very entertaining and id rather hear him than harry at this point
id love to see scott franzke take over for harry...hes excellent imo
and im with sun on palmer he was brutal
neither was Hitler, did that make him good?
hmmmmm, you might be on to something
yeah graham
and you cant compare anyone to wheels romey...hes is one of the most nauseating announcers ive ever heard in any sport
I'm not saying Scott Graham was Vin Scully, guys. I'm just saying he wasn't nearly as bad as he was made out to be.
And considering Wheels is omnipresent now, I'd gladly take Graham and his chick-like histrionics any day of the week over that douchebag.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 03:11:27 PM
i am serious when i say this....sarge is a better announcer than harry right now
and wheels is without a doubt the worst announcer to ever be in this city and id have to think about it but hes probably in the top 3 ive ever heard
in conclusion sarge haters can go to hell
I will agree with you on this one.
It almost seemed like someone flipped a switch on sarge, he went from a bumbling fool, to actually being pretty insightful in a matter of a few days. I've actually enjoyed listening to him for the past couple of weeks.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 26, 2007, 03:59:34 PM
I'm not saying Scott Graham was Vin Scully, guys. I'm just saying he wasn't nearly as bad as he was made out to be.
And considering Wheels is omnipresent now, I'd gladly take Graham and his chick-like histrionics any day of the week over that douchebag.
i know what you're saying and to each his own, i know people have different tastes.
i just personally despised him
Quote from: SunMo on June 26, 2007, 03:53:48 PM
neither was Hitler, did that make him good?
hmmmmm, you might be on to something
Like Hitler would ever broadcast for a loser franchise like the Phillies.
The Yankees, on the other hand. . .
1. Harry Kalas, while obviously slipping, could hurl insults about my mother for 9 innings and I would still worship him. As mentioned before, even though his PBP is not there the big calls he makes more than make up for it. I still get goosebumps when I hear big time HR calls come from him.
2. Sarge has grown on me. He started off bad, but has worked himself in nicely. Plus he rips Wheels for being a Hoyda all the time, which I like.
3. Scott Graham was a hack. His voice was forced and fake. His HR call and his goddamn annoying "put one in the win column" ending were mind numbing. Although his HR call for Todd Pratt's blast against Boston in the last year of The Vet was excellent. Have fun doing NFL Europa, Scotty.
4. Scott Franzke is pretty good on radio as PBP. I like him.
5. LA, as a PBP guy, is HORRIBLE. His spot should be on TV with Harry. I would bet that because he doesn't shy away from ripping when ripping is needed, he's hidden on radio.
6. The Phillies can't even set up the broadcasters right. They are incompetent from the top down in every single thing they do. Seriously...name one thing other than the ALS charity they do well.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2007, 04:33:54 PM
Seriously...name one thing other than the ALS charity they do well.
lose
Sarge is like a big dumb animal version of Yogi Berra. "You have to get 3 outs or end the inning here."
Scott Graham's biggest problem was that it sounded like he was trying too hard to sound like Harry Kalas.
Oh, and the "win column" thing isn't even original. Joe Angel's (currently Orioles, formerly Marlins announcer) been using that for years.
Even at 75%, Harry Kalas is one of the best in the business. Even if that's only because I still hear him with a nine-year-old's ears, I don't care.
Chris Wheeler should be sodomized by love-struck elephants.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 26, 2007, 03:59:34 PM
I'm not saying Scott Graham was Vin Scully, guys. I'm just saying he wasn't nearly as bad as he was made out to be.
And considering Wheels is omnipresent now, I'd gladly take Graham and his chick-like histrionics any day of the week over that douchebag.
That's pretty much how I feel, he didn't have a bad voice.
Sarge hasn't gotten any better, its just fans have grown accustomed to how awful he is.
I like Sarge because he constantly calls Wheels out even if it isn't necessary. He really made Wheels look like a bitch when he caught that foul ball in the booth.
We did have to hear about that funhole whine about for two days though.
Kendrick loaded the bases to start the game and the white ryan howard knocked in a run with a sac fly
kendrick has gone longer without and early game implosion that i ever thought he would....bout time he has one
a perfect example of Wheels' awfulness...
when Kendrick loaded the bases, Harry says, "The Phillies are setting their triple play defense." One of those cool things that Harry and Whitey used to say.
no sooner have the words left Harry's mouth when Wheels has to butt in with, "The Phillies turned a triple play against Cincinnati this year."
hey icehole...shut the farg up and let harry talk.
oh you know wheels is gonna try and steal any harry richie shine he can...the main reason they despise each other is because of wheels hatred of ashburn
which is why it's so despicable when Wheels speaks glowingly of Whitey...you know it's all bullshtein
Line drive 2-run shot by Black Dunn
which is why it's so despicable when Wheels speaks glowingly of Whitey...you know it's all bullshtein
everything he says is lies whether its about that or his call of the game....99% of the stuff he says in calling a game is bullshtein and he knows it is...which is not only unprofessional but insulting...like when he incessantly gives credit to the opponent instead of saying the phils made a mistake...he always does this with baserunning errors....its an "unbelievable" throw by the outfielder not another brain dead base running errror by victorino...or when burrell gags with runners in scoring position its an "amazing" play in the field or a "tremendous" pitching job by the reliever who just came in
Dick Pole just came out to the mound... :paranoid
did jimmy rollins just swing at the first pitch after the pitcher walked?
Quote from: SunMo on June 26, 2007, 07:52:14 PM
did jimmy rollins just swing at the first pitch after the pitcher walked on four pitches?
i was really asking, because i thought i could've missed a pitch
yes he swung first pitch after a four pitch walk to the pitcher and i wanna throw my laptop thru the window right now
farging michael bourne knows how to play the game better than jimmy rollins
Carlos Ruiz steals home on a double steal. :o
michael bourn needs to play everyday
6-1 Phillies. Cincy's Hamels-like prospect is done after 1.2
id trade rowand and put him in center
might as well, this season's over
not just that but you know they arent resigning rowand...so might as well get something for him
yeah, come the middle of july, you tell him to sign an extension or he's going to be traded.
i'm not sure what contender would be looking for a CF though
Griffey is the bestest.
maybe one of the nl west teams that needs offense...arizona def could
10-4 Phillies. Dunn destroys one to RF. igy cheered.
not as much as i cheered when sarge was killin choke dog for his outrageous k totals
Strikeouts are irrelevant.[/beane]
The white Chase Utley just crushed one to center - 11-4 Phils.
Howard has four strikeouts and a two-run dinger.
I'd take that every game because, you know, K's are irrelevant.
how gorgeous was that utley hr swing
I thought Sarge was gonna need a Kleenex after that homer.
:-D
Bums win 11-4. Goodnight.
They should be sweeping Cinci. Couple that with a split with the Mets and we in the money.
mets just gave up a homer in the 11th...hopefully cards hold on...their bullpen is getting worked this series too...back to back 11 inning games
Quote from: MDS on June 26, 2007, 10:29:06 PM
They should be sweeping Cinci. Couple that with a split with the Mets and we in the money.
Actually, they probably should lose tomorrow night vs Harang and win 2 out of 3, but if they want to make any sort of move and gain momentum heading into the Mets series, a sweep would obviously be preferable.
Old Man River will dominate
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 26, 2007, 09:49:57 PM
how gorgeous was that utley hr swing
He has -by far- the best swing on the team. Utley is gawd.
In a shocking move by Phillies management, they convinced a decent Florida high school draft pick (Jiwan James) to change his mind in less than 24 hours and sign with them instead of going to U of Florida.
According to MDS' boy Marcus Hayes we should likely see Burrell in the lineup tonight because he's 3-6 off of Harang. But Charlie sounds like he wants to go with the hot hand and will keep Bourn in there. Which I want to see happen.
I am starting to like him more and more each day. That type of speed is a pain in the ass for opposing pitchers as we all remember when Florida had Pierre and Castillo tearing it up a couple years back.
I also really like Carlos Ruiz. Barajas, Helms and Burrell should never see the field again. Ever.
Charlie also sounded off when asked if he feels pressure to play Burrell from Monty and the boys because of the contract and he said he does what he wants when he wants and has the balls to do whatever he pleases.
charlie is three months away from permanent retirement which is the only reason hes talking like that....too little too late chuckles...concentrate more on whether youre making the right managerial move vs making some sort of statement.....dope
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
I think he's finally fed up to the point, well he has been making bullpen comments since the offseason, where he's ripping away at the team Gillick has given him. One of the columnists today pointed out the payroll (Hofman I think) that is zesty and or hurt and not helping versus the young bucks in there not making much but getting it done. Gillick should be ashamed.
agreed...gillicks heart is clearly not in this team...he just doesnt care and he also has one foot in retirement already
Countdown to The Amaro, Jr. Regime has officially begun.
think about that...the next gm of the phillies will be ed wades protege
maybe not record wise because the team has enough money to always make it semi competitive but an amaro regime would be the low point in the history of this franchise...and thats saying a mouthful
My latest all-star votes:
First Base: Ortiz, D., BOS
Second Base: Roberts, B., BAL
Third Base: Rodriguez, A., NYY
Shortstop: Guillen, C., DET
Catcher: Martinez, V., CLE
Outfielder: Guerrero, V., LAA
Outfielder: Ordonez, M., DET
Outfielder: Sosa, S., TEX
First Base: Howard, R., PHI
Second Base: Utley, C., PHI
Third Base: Cabrera, M., FLA
Shortstop: Rollins, J., PHI
Catcher: Martin, R., LAD
Outfielder: Holliday, M., COL
Outfielder: Rowand, A., PHI
Outfielder: Victorino, S., PHI
Repost: NO ROD BARAJAS?!?
A Bourn/Werth platoon might work. I hope that Rollins bats 6th, too. He's much better suited for that than Victorino, but Jimmy has a tad of an ego issue and he would sulk little a little vagina if he get demoted in the lineup.
Bourn is fine against righties if he keeps walking, but that has been a problem in the past so we will see.
Werth is average against lefties and is hands down one of the worst outfielders I have ever seen. He misjudges tons of balls, is slow, and makes up for all of that by having a weeny arm. Burrell will come around against lefties eventually.
Burrell will come around against lefties eventually.
you mean like hit above .200 against them?
nah. more like an above .900 UKNOWWAT against them.
Quote from: Billy Beane on June 27, 2007, 01:14:24 PM
UKNOWWAT
"Strikeout rate" seems to make the most sense there. Certainly not VORP.
Burrell should be killing lefties.
He should also be a .290 hitter with 30+ homers, 110+ rbi's , 100+ walks, and preferably less than 150 K's every single year.
He hasn't produced those numbers consistently even though he's being paid to every year.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 27, 2007, 01:24:58 PM
He hasn't produced those numbers consistently twice in seven years, even though he's being paid to every like he has every year.
Burrel sucks. Period.
Werth vs. LHP: .273/.353/.785, 2 HR, 6 BI, 6 BB
Burrell vs. LHP: .155/.315/.752, 3 HR, 12 BI, 16 BB
Defense:
Werth: 44 total chances vs. 38 put outs (24/22 in LF), 6 assists (4 in RF), 0 errors, 2.50 Range Factor, .923 Zone Rating
Burrell: 83 total chances vs. 74 put outs, 5 assists, 4 errors, 1.61 Range Factor, .910 Zone Rating
Werth is faster, too. Burrell is slower than my 80 year old grandmother.
other than rob deer burrell is the worst outfielder ive ever seen in baseball
Burrell has an okay arm and can normally get to anything in his range, but at this point, his range is reduced to the three inches in front of his feet.
lolololol @ the phillies
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2007, 07:34:21 PM
lolololol @ the phillies
Yep... someone screwed up on that one.
Jamie Moyer just threw the ball harder to first base than he did to any batter I've seen him pitch to this year
:-D
"Routine" play by Ryan Howard there, igy? :D
nothing is routine for choke dog
Bourn was just taken out of the game. Sarge said he was "breathing heavy."
Wheels is verbally fellating Pat Gillick right now.
I can't wait until everyone blames me for jinxing Moyer's no-hitter.
Gillick said that Myers had "a twinge" and his rehab start (scheduled for Friday) has been pushed back.
He's slated to be back after the all-star break.
Howard just CRUSHED one into Ashburn Alley.
He is going to kill somebody with a line drive one day. Very few players hit the ball as hard as Howard.
the black adam dunn good lord. dead center onto ashburn.
Moyer is dealing - he just looks effortless.
Wheels just reported that Bourn is out with "cramps." Give him some Midol and send him back out.
Moyer has let one person reach base on a walk. This is all.
Wooo go me.
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 27, 2007, 08:10:26 PM
I can't wait until everyone blames me for jinxing Moyer's no-hitter.
DAMN YOU FF!
college night mayhem
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/249/520280063_50d25e4068.jpg?v=0)
college nights are always good times. lots of idiots there to entertain you when the phillies choke
Now two on, Griffey up. Nunez just missed a pop (admittedly tough play). Does Jr. return the favor?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 27, 2007, 08:33:19 PM
Now two on, Griffey up. Nunez just missed a pop (admittedly tough play). Does Jr. return the favor?
No - Moyer slams the door shut. Or at least shut it gently with his little-league speeds.
The Geritol may be wearing out, though. Doubt we see him back in the 7th.
Good battle there, Moyer is something winning with the slop.
Well, I could be wrong - Manuel just let him bat. :-D
505 feet on Howards jack
Gas can farging sucks, that looked like it was out.
theres farging wheels...never blaming the philllies...the reds all of a sudden are all having GREAT at bats
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 27, 2007, 09:00:51 PM
theres farging wheels...never blaming the philllies...the reds all of a sudden are all having GREAT at bats
I heard that.
Unfortunately, I read Moyer better than Manuel tonight.
zagurski too....i cant believe he brought him in tonight after two innings last night...and last night i was like why are you bringing in your left handed specialist in a blowout...and he proceeds to keep him in for two innings
yay jimmy lets run off the field giggling after your team just gave up a touchdown in the inning
6-4, Dobbs on 2nd, no outs with Utley and Howard coming up
Cunnilingus now pitching :paranoid
6-6
QuotePHILADELPHIA FIRST BASEMAN RYAN HOWARD'S HOME RUN IN THE FIFTH INNING WAS THE 100TH OF HIS CAREER. HOWARD IS THE FASTEST PLAYER IN MAJOR LEAGUE HISTORY TO REACH 100 HR. (325 GAMES).
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 27, 2007, 09:54:12 PM
7-6
QuotePHILADELPHIA FIRST BASEMAN RYAN HOWARD'S HOME RUN IN THE FIFTH INNING WAS THE 100TH OF HIS CAREER. HOWARD IS THE FASTEST PLAYER IN MAJOR LEAGUE HISTORY TO REACH 100 HR. (325 GAMES).
Dobbs on 3rd, Utley to bat. Rain Delay.
My electricity went out briefly.
The wind blew Dobbs' fly ball to deep right and off the smaller fence for a triple.
Good thing they called the delay before the final out. Now the game is suspended and will be resumed tomorrow if they're done for tonight...
they don't end games after 5 1/2 innings during a long rain delay?
Quote from: mcnabbmvp on June 27, 2007, 10:26:11 PM
they don't end games after 5 1/2 innings during a long rain delay?
Not when the game was tied going into an inning that the home team didn't get to finish. Looks like the Phillies get to come back to lose tonight afterall.
Tarps coming off the field, delay is over.
Howard just got rung up on one of the worst called 3rd strikes I've ever seen. High and inside. The first strike of the at bat was low.
the white Adam Dunn just took Mesa deep. 9-6
Quote from: FastFreddie on June 27, 2007, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Billy Beane on June 27, 2007, 01:14:24 PM
UKNOWWAT
"Strikeout rate" seems to make the most sense there. Certainly not VORP.
OPS, Freddy, OPS.
Anyway, Burrell has his lowest K rate of his career by far this year. he has been UNLUCKY.
J.A. Happ will make his major league debut on Saturday (FOX national game). No pressure.
Typical Phillies game.
(http://media.philly.com/images/0627_phils_losers1.jpg)
Utley HR
Encarnacion HR
2-1 Phils
White choke dog goes upper deck yard - 4-2 Redlegs.
Utley hit his second of the night...both with a runner on and a 3-0 count.
Howard k's...again
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 28, 2007, 07:30:09 PM
Utley HR
Encarnacion HR
2-1 Phils
Utley just did the exact same thing AND hit it to the same guys in the bleechers. 4-4.
Utley hit it to the same exact fan. :-D
And the Phils promptly allow the Reds to take the lead again.
Carlos Ruiz just stole second, thanks to a bad call by the umpire.
now 6-5 Phillies after a Dobbs 2-run double
CMON RAIN
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 28, 2007, 08:51:42 PM
now 6-5 Phillies after a Dobbs 2-run double
CMON RAIN
Right after the Reds' catcher caught him right in the helmet with the return throw to the pitcher.
Bourn too powerless to start?
SLUGGING PERCENTAGE:
M. Bourn - .373
P. Burrell - .374
THE ALL-IMPORTANT OPS:
M. Bourn - .762
P. Burrell - .745
If Burrell were a horse, he's be one of two things:
1. Elmer's Glue
2. Quarter Pounder
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 28, 2007, 09:06:34 PM
Bourn too powerless to start?
SLUGGING PERCENTAGE:
M. Bourn - .373
P. Burrell - .374
THE ALL-IMPORTANT OPS:
M. Bourn - .762
P. Burrell - .745
If Burrell were a horse, he's be one of two things:
1. Elmer's Glue
2. Quarter Pounder
I am not sure that Michael Bourn has 20 home runs, ever.
Bourn got a hold of one in the 9th but it looked like the wind knocked it down.
Rollins wins it with a gapper with 2 men on. 8-7
Winaaaaaar. Bring on the Muts. I think I'm going tomorrow afternoon, wooo JD Durbin
Werth to the DL
Coste is back
And since the Mets are btches and rained their game out after only 30 minutes, they moved El Duque to tomorrow's day game and the Phils won't see Glavine...
Probable starters: Durbin, Hamels, Happ, Kendrick
one of these things is not like the other, one of these things, does not belong
I'll be amazed if we take 2
All of them are young enough to be Moyer's kids :-D
I'm going on Sunday. What do you all know about Happ? I don't follow baseball as much as I follow the Sixers .
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on June 29, 2007, 02:15:47 AM
I'm going on Sunday. What do you all know about Happ? I don't follow baseball as much as I follow the Sixers .
He has awesome VORP potential.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on June 29, 2007, 02:15:47 AM
I'm going on Sunday. What do you all know about Happ?
I know he won't be pitching on Sunday. :P
Nothing would be sweeter to sweep these homo's again. Willie is all over NY radio talking about revenge and shtein. The sad thing is they'll probably get it because we have Durbin, Happ and Kendrick starting.
I'll be happy with 2-2..I figure Durbin will get smoked today.
It would be Phillies esque to win this series 3-1 then go win 2 games between Houston and Colorado.
Read on the Phils MB that Jayson Stark was on 950 this morning and he said that the Giants are shopping Matt Morris and the Phillies are interested and may make a move to get him.
QuoteThe Phillies and the Mets will swap announcers as a part of today's doubleheader. During the third inning of Game 1, SportsNet New York's Keith Hernandez will join the Phillies broadcast booth while Gary Matthews will join the Mets. In Game 2, Ron Darling will switch places with Chris Wheeler.
swap Wheels for Darling permanently and make Darling a starter.
ha!
Hahaha the Mets fans will be subjected to Wheels. I love it.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 29, 2007, 10:39:39 AM
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on June 29, 2007, 02:15:47 AM
I'm going on Sunday. What do you all know about Happ?
I know he won't be pitching on Sunday. :P
Wait, I'm confused, did I misread espn.com? I thought it said he was starting.
He's starting tomorrow. Kendrick goes on Sunday
Ok. My mistake. Not that it helps me much, I have no idea who Kendrick is either. I'm used to going to game where Adam Eaton is the pitcher and being down 13-0 to the Giants.
In his 3 starts, the Phils scored 8, 9 and 11
Durbin k's Reyes on 3 pitches to start the game
Follows it up by k'ing Valentin
listening on XM...crowd sounds jacked
Durbin strikes out the side. bhahahaha
Cholly just asked the umpire to check El Ducky's cap because he had shtein all over the back of it. El Ducky got all upset and started mouthing off.
:-D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 29, 2007, 01:38:17 PM
Durbin k's Reyes on 3 pitches to start the game
How'd he do the next time up?
he did the same as Rowand his first time up
I guess Durbin hasn't K'd everyone so far.
Wild pitch to score Ledee who he intentionally walked.
You guys are gonna have to get this kid out of there.
Durbin doesn't belong in the majors. He should have gotten the start last night with Eaton going today.
It's not all bad. Giving up 6 runs in 4 innings has actually lowered Durbin's ERA.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 29, 2007, 02:48:02 PM
Durbin doesn't belong in the majors. He should have gotten the start last night with Eaton going today.
that would require Manuel to be creative with his thinking...and obviously that isn't the case
And Coste goes yard to intensify my Barajas hate that much more
Barajas throws out Reyes trying to steal second (he was clearly safe). Reyes throws a fit jumping up and down like a little girl on second, then proceeds to go into the dugout and knock the water cooler over. waaaaaaaaaaah
Dobbs leads off the 7th with a single, Helms comes up and crushes one to center. 6-4
Helmsy!
Wes Helms plays hockey?
This team is so good at manufacturing runs...
Burrell knocks in Bourn. 6-5
I thought it would be 12-1 at this point. And in comes Eaton to pinch run for Burrell.
Burrell managed to get a jam-job bloop single to center to score Bourn and make the game 6-5.
Since the Phils can't run Bourn for Burrell, they run Eaton.
I'm tellin' ya... glue factory.
Isn't Eaton one of three serviceable starting pitchers the team has? I hope he pulls a hammy.
put not pinch hitting for Barajas with Ruiz on Charlie's laundry list of fireable offenses
game over...Victorino stares at strike three to end the game
Wagner throws mostly crap and still strikes out the side. He might have thrown his fastball twice.
DirecTV blacked the channel out as soon as Victorino struck out to end the game. They didn't even wait for Harry to cut it to commercial. :-D
highlight was seeing someone waving the Hawaiian flag in the stands, unfortunately as Victorino hacked at the plate.
I thought Burrell had the market cornered on the backwards K. It was a piece of clutch hitting by Victorinoey to fill in for Patty B.
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watched the game at the oyster bar in daytona today...thanks romey
if hamels doesnt step up and throw a gem tonight ill hate him forever.....i feel a four game sweep in my bones...king has to dead that tonight
does cole hamels EVER not go three balls on a batter
What time is the game on Sunday, I heard it was moved to ESPN, but espn.com still has it listed at 1 pm.
Hamels didn't have it tonight so I guess Igy will hate him...
I missed the first game but it sounds like I didn't miss much.
WTF was up with him throwing behind Reyes though? Did he try to hit him and just miss?
Easley just hit a two run shot. awesome. 5-1.
Gas Can Geary strikes again. Why is he still here?
Because Pat Gillick is a moron.
Gotta win the next two...I said I figured on a split so let's hope they can salvage that. Even though Happ and Kendrick are the pitchers.
Well they have a chance.
Hamels didn't have it tonight so I guess Igy will hate him...
who could hate king?
but the bottom line is he has come up real small lately
cant always be a homer
QuoteCole Hamels surrendered a pair of homers to Carlos Beltran, but he was hurt most by the five walks he allowed
Two of the three runs he gave up were solo shots to Beltran. Yet somehow the hack who wrote that saw the five walks as the problem?
Hurts my head.
PS: I don't understand why Cholly keeps putting Geary into close games. When they have a big lead he pitches fine. When it's tight, he gets ripped like he did last night. It's just infuriating how many games that ignorant hillbilly gives away because of not understanding his staff and their tendencies..
Romey...who else does he have? They ALL have been getting ripped. Put Madson in and the same thing happens. Zagurski, Sanches, Mesa? Romero looked half decent but he still loaded 'em up before getting out of it.
What they need to do is tread water until the all-star break, then get Myers and Gordon back to solidify the bullpen. With that, they must trade for another starter. Matt Morris, Mark Beurhle, whoever the farg. They have no shot of doing anything to begin with, and even less of a shot if they run JA Haap out there every 5th day.
Also, Mike Bourn looks pretty good. He needs to be playing against rhp.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 30, 2007, 11:05:30 AM
Romey...who else does he have? They ALL have been getting ripped. Put Madson in and the same thing happens. Zagurski, Sanches, Mesa? Romero looked half decent but he still loaded 'em up before getting out of it.
Technically, you can't put Sanches into that group. In his limited innings, his ERA is 2.35.
Of COURSE he'll eventually get lit up (he is in the Philly bullpen, right?), and of COURSE his BB/K ratio is 1/1, but he's not officially in the rag-arm group yet.
And, on the plus side, Durbin brought his ERA all the way down to 11.57! :yay
then get Myers and Gordon back to solidify the bullpen
the closer spot isnt the problem...its getting to the closer spot...
gordon is toast
its a travesty that they wont bring myers back into the rotation where they need the most help...he should have never been made a closer to begin with...not only did it get him injured and probably will again but a sp is always more valuable than a rp
this stiff is just throwing batting practice
J.A. Happ's major league debut may not make it out of the first inning.
4 K's and no walks through 2 innings for Happ. The rest of the stat line isn't so great.
Phillies are finally scoring a few runs, though.
This team is farging garbage.
Three games back yesterday six back today.
Way to go, fellas. :yay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 30, 2007, 11:05:30 AM
Romey...who else does he have?
Buh-bye. :-D
Quote06/30/2007 5:56 PM ET
Notes: Geary optioned to Triple-A
Phillies hoping reliever can work out his flaws in Ottawa
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com
PHILADELPHIA -- Geoff Geary knew his performance had been lacking, but he didn't see this one coming -- which explains the humbled and pained look on his face.
With a roster move needed to activate Saturday's starter J.A. Happ, the Phillies optioned Geary to Triple-A Ottawa and decided to keep J.D. Durbin in the bullpen, as they sort out who, Durbin or Happ, will remain in the starting rotation. The Phillies don't need a fifth starter again until July 17 or the fifth game after the All-Star break.
"It didn't [cross my mind], and it's so wrong for me to think that way," Geary said. "But I guess in the past, I was always on top of stuff. But this year, I let my guard down. The grim reaper got me."
While Geary's one Minor League option made him easier to send out -- rather than risk losing a live arm such as Durbin -- general manager Pat Gillick said the move was largely based on performance.
"He needs to get straightened out to where he was," Gillick said. "There's nothing wrong with him physically. He just has to work out a few mechanical problems, and we think he's better served working them out in Ottawa. We're not in a position where we can allow people to work their problems out in games."
Geary started the season strong, posting a 1.50 ERA in his first 17 games, and he was manager Charlie Manuel's most reliable arm in jams. Since May 11, the right-hander posted an 8.57 ERA in 20 games, allowing 44 baserunners in 21 innings and giving up six home runs.
After a forgettable night in Cleveland on June 18, Geary shaved his goatee and cut his hair, hoping that might change his fortunes. He logged three scoreless appearances after that, but he allowed five runs on seven hits in 2 1/3 frames, spanning his final two appearances.
That brought him to Saturday's decision.
"There's no reason to blame anybody but myself," Geary said. "Maybe going down will kind of switch up my mindset. It's a little bit of everything.
"It's how baseball is. I don't have anything really to say about it. I'm going to go down there, and I'll see you guys soon."
this is now officially an embarrassment of epic porportions
national tv and these announcers are just destroying the team...no top FA pitcher will ever sign here...theres no pitchers close in the minor leagues...10,000 losses...1977 choke job recap...i cant believe how incredibly biased mccarver has been this game...i feel as tho im watching the mets feed..and jesus could there be more mets fans there...the chants are sickening...phillie fans will go for hot dogs or college specials but not to stop the met fans from taking over their stadium
did anyone see the utley error play...mccarver goes on and on about loduca's amazing baserunning...they have a spotlight slow mo close up on him going around the bases...then after thats all over mccarver says "just an ugly play by the phils"....well which is it icehole...a great baserunning play or terrible fielding...mccarver wants it to be both so he can big up the mets and kills the phils all in one
as if the team itself isnt a joke on their own you got suposedly unaffiliated announcers making it worse for the phils...the offense is brain dead as usual and cole hamels came up so short this series...youre surrounded by durbin happ and kendrick knowing you pretty much have to win but even if not at least go deep as the pen is gonna get worked in the series and what do you do...you come out and throw 90 pitches in 5 innings...disappointing to say the least...king still has a ways to go in being an ace
im so mad right now its not even funny
I liked the FOX shots of Gillick playing with things and looking bored.
27 innings and the Phils haven't had a lead yet. F'ing pathetic. Oh yeah....Oliver Cy Perez tomorrow
I turned the game off after hearing McCarver's verbal fellatio on Lo Duca.
He sounds like a one-man cheering section in the booth, and yeah, it's farging irritating. It's almost as irritating as hearing Mets fans cheering in that place. Of course, if the team on the field actually did anything to stop them, it would be moot, but just like always the Phillies come up small in big situations.
farging corksucking losers.
I turned the game off after hearing McCarver's verbal fellatio on Lo Duca.
it really was sickening...he went from first to third on a hit that went to RF...then he went home on a terrible throw...what the farg was so great about that??...and they showed the replay like 5 times
and the inning before when loduca poked the single up the middle to center mccarver goes "great hitting by a great hitter"
and early in the game after the delgado comment on the loduca interview controversy: "perfect answer by carlos"
:puke :puke :puke
There weren't that many Mets fans there. The Phillies sucking just magnified it because these losers give the Phils fans nothing to cheer about.
Is the game at 1:35 or 8:05 PM???
I thought it was changed to 8:05, but I guess it was changed back???
1:35
so...the Phillies have their biggest series of the season and they choke balls?
SHOCKING!
Glad I went to the minor league double-header and fireworks and missed most of this fiasco.
The Mets are exposing the Phils for what they really are, all our demented hopes aside.
did anyone outside of maybe easy and i think hes even coming around have hopes?...i dont think so
im not even mad that theyve been owned...look at what theyve thrown out there...you cant expect durbin and happ to win games against the mets...i am just infuriated at yesterdays goings on btwn the national tv announcers being paid by the mets and the stadium being taken over by POS ny'ers...as far as on the field the only thing that bothered me was as i mentioned cole coming up small...but im not even mad at him its more disappointment
and now kendrick today...im with mds and anyone else who mentioned that they really shtein the bed in not holding back the rotation...if they believed it was a big series and they said it was why did they throw out three minor leaguers...its baffling...the mets cancelled an entire game thursday nite to better set up their rotation but the phils cant hold back adam eaton one day....its the same losing mentalitity that has caused this franchise to win one title in 125 years
SAS sums it nicely in todays inky...rollins quote at the end of the piece is vomit inducing
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20070701_Stephen_A__Smith__.html
I was just about to post that, IGY:
QuoteThe Mets "came in here the first three games with something to prove," Rollins said. "Now if this were September, it would be devastating, no doubt about that. But it's still June. There's still time for this team to get hot and play good ball and for teams to fall off. We have a couple of issues, but we've worked our way through to this point. We just have to find our way through the woods again."
Sickening.
the attitude that no games really count until sept is par for the course with this team...but can someone explain to me what he meant by the mets had something to prove this series...what exactly did they have to prove...they are the defending division champs...came into this year as the favorites and again are in first place in the division...what the farg did they have to prove
they had to prove that the sweep at Shea was a fluke, and they did that
disagree on both accounts
the mets were in first when this series started...if the phils had passed them in the standings then the mets would have had to prove that they are still the team in the division to beat..there isnt a player or fan anywhere that thought the phils were as good as the mets coming into to this weekend
but if there was someone who believed that what would the mets beating three minor league pitchers this weekend prove anyway
its a joke to think the mets had something to prove because that insinuates that phils are on their level...what the mets have to prove is that they can get to the world series this year and not choke in the playoffs again
that comment by jimmy further proves how delusional the phillies are
Who cares what kind of attitude they have when they simply don't have the pitching to remain competitive?
you must not have watched this team for very long...the attitude problem is bigger than this year or this weekend...its been a prevailing factor over the last four years...especially in their atrocious starts...and then even thruout the summer months where games didnt really matter to them...eh you win some you lose some
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2007, 09:15:47 AM
did anyone outside of maybe easy and i think hes even coming around have hopes?...i dont think so
im not even mad that theyve been owned...look at what theyve thrown out there...you cant expect durbin and happ to win games against the mets...i am just infuriated at yesterdays goings on btwn the national tv announcers being paid by the mets and the stadium being taken over by POS ny'ers...as far as on the field the only thing that bothered me was as i mentioned cole coming up small...but im not even mad at him its more disappointment
and now kendrick today...im with mds and anyone else who mentioned that they really shtein the bed in not holding back the rotation...if they believed it was a big series and they said it was why did they throw out three minor leaguers...its baffling...the mets cancelled an entire game thursday nite to better set up their rotation but the phils cant hold back adam eaton one day....its the same losing mentalitity that has caused this franchise to win one title in 125 years
Absolute farging trooth. It's like the team has become the ownership with a complete autopilot approach to everything. The evidence is Jimmy Rollins quote. You talked shtein at the beginning of the season and thats what you have to say? Either say the Mets came in and made you look bad and say its motivation or shut the farg up and don't say anything at all.
Well, they caught a small break today by getting Pelfrey instead of Oliver Perez (who would have killed the lefties all day). But no fear....Burrell is starting today
But no fear....Burrell is starting today
could be the day burrell drops below the mendoza
it's incredible that he got 2 starts in 4 games this series. nice work charlie
Wheels is once again verbally gobbling Reyes, i seriously hate him
Wooooooooooooooo
farging Wheels defending Manuel while taking passive aggressive shots at the fans really makes me furious.
Manuel is a farging dunderhead and i wish he'd get fired.
2 outs, 3 run lead, and you decide to bring in another pitcher? what a hack.
It doesn't matter. They're not winning anything with this ownership. Give up.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
yay
3 games in Houston (Oswalt on Tuesday)
3 games in Colorado next weekend
The Mets have the same trip but get 4 in Houston and will face Oswalt too
Braves and Marlins will do the SD/LA trip
Moyer, Eaton, Hamels, Kendrick, Moyer, Eaton
2 wins sounds about right.
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2007, 05:33:17 PM
Moyer, Eaton, Hamels, Kendrick, Moyer, Eaton
2 wins sounds about right.
One Moyer, one Kendrick, right?
Sometimes I really hate being a Philadelphia sports fan.
Eaton vs Oswalt is as close to a guaranteed loss as there is.....which means they'll win 9-2 :paranoid
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 01, 2007, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2007, 05:33:17 PM
Moyer, Eaton, Hamels, Kendrick, Moyer, Eaton
2 wins sounds about right.
One Moyer, one Kendrick, right?
Sometimes I really hate being a Philadelphia sports fan.
I don't know. Hamels could go 7 innings and give up 2 runs and then watch Madson blow it. At least Gas Can can't do that now.
Utley and Hamels made the NL team as expected, but in a surprise, Rowand made it too!
No Howard, no Rollins
Did Howard really deserve it?
Not really. He'll still be there for the HR derby though...
So why is it an issue that he didn't make it. Who actually thought he had a chance?
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2007, 07:00:00 PM
Did Howard really deserve it?
Not over Fielder, that's for certain.
So why is it an issue that he didn't make it. Who actually thought he had a chance?
jesus i love you
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2007, 07:24:01 PM
So why is it an issue that he didn't make it. Who actually thought he had a chance?
jesus i love you
i know that you sexy thing you
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is that the padres chevy impala beating the mets at shea in the nl championship series?
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 01, 2007, 08:12:53 PM
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Objects in mirror may be closer than they appear?
Thanks for the encouragement, Feva! :D
JD Durbin and JA Haap say hi.
seriously why would any met fan try and puff their chest out after this weekend...the phllies arent as good as them on normal circumstances but with three minor leaguers going what do you expect to happen....certainly not posts of rear view mirrors...
mets fans always have that yankee inferiority complex running thru their veins
The Phils suck. You know it, I know it, the Phillies know it.
Unfortunately, it seems that only you and I care.
more people should care and then there might be a groundswell to promote change...but i think because baseball is a summertime chill drink a couple beers have a couple dogs in the brand new stadium fans dont get as invested as they should...and its a shame because the phillies cause me cause much more consternation than any other team in the city...and its not even that close
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- Kyle Kendrick's leg was in enough pain on Sunday that he had to pitch from the stretch at times with the bases empty.
He was feeling fine, though, after earning his third consecutive win. The Phillies defeated the Mets, 5-3, to avoid a sweep and move within a manageable five games of the National League East leaders.
It marked the longest outing of Kendrick's young big-league career, and it meant he was taming the Mets' bats, something that hadn't been done in the first three games of the series.
But the win raised questions about Kendrick's health. He said after the game that he was headed for the whirlpool and would wrap his leg in ice.
The injury occurred during Kendrick's start in Cleveland on June 19.
He walked to the mound with a slight limp in the sixth inning on Sunday and got the first two outs before leaving to a warm ovation.
"My velocity was a little down, because it hurt to push off," Kendrick said.
"We talked about that in the dugout," said Phillies manager Charlie Manuel of watching Kendrick pitch from the stretch. "Evidently, he felt comfortable with it. That's fine."
Hurting or not, Kendrick proved to be a remedy for a troubled pitching staff. He threw a season-high 6 2/3 innings and allowed a season-low two runs."
More injuries!! Yay!!
How's your arm, Phreak? You may get the callup soon.
the more injuries the better...i wanna see carrasco up...even if hes not ready and its only for a few starts at least its exciting to see the possible future
gave up 5 runs and 5 walks in 5 innings today. He sucks :P
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 01, 2007, 10:35:45 PM
How's your arm, Phreak? You may get the callup soon.
Phreak > Geary
John Clark on SF;
Phillies are scouting Jose Contreras.
He might be more cooked than Freddy Garcia.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 01, 2007, 11:49:07 PM
John Clark on SF;
Phillies are scouting Jose Contreras.
He might be more cooked than Freddy Garcia.
Yeah lets trade again with the White Sox. Wasn't like Freddy was injured goods or anything.
Contreras? Guy looks older than my dad.
Quote from: MDS on July 01, 2007, 08:39:27 PM
JD Durbin and JA Haap say hi.
Mike Pelfrey sends his regards as well.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2007, 08:43:31 PM
seriously why would any met fan try and puff their chest out after this weekend...the phllies arent as good as them on normal circumstances but with three minor leaguers going what do you expect to happen....certainly not posts of rear view mirrors...
mets fans always have that yankee inferiority complex running thru their veins
Far from puffing out my chest, dook. I understand what the deal is with the Phils pitching and knew what would happen just like you did. Just like I knew any chance the Mets had for a sweep went out the window the second Perez was scratched and Mike farging Pelfrey got the rock.
Simply wondering if any Phillies fans are still puffing out
their chests from way back when the Mets were stumbling. I would have used that pic of the Phillies in the hummer with the hookers and hos and all that but surprise, surprise... it was taken down and is just a x now.
Puffing our chest out? Most of us were saying that the Phils would get swept by the Royals.
Quote from: EagleFeva on July 02, 2007, 04:31:22 AM
Simply wondering if any Phillies fans are still puffing out their chests from way back when the Mets were stumbling. I would have used that pic of the Phillies in the hummer with the hookers and hos and all that but surprise, surprise... it was taken down and is just a x now.
i didn't take it down, it must've been a mod
Maybe the site you stole the photo from doesn't allow hotlinking?
Either way, the Mets have the wherewithal to go out and sign whomever they choose and the Phillies don't (or more to the point WON'T).
That's the difference between the two teams. Player for player in the starting line-up the Phillies and the Mets are very close. Pitching, as always, determines who wins and the Mets have the edge there, no question.
As far as puffing our chests out, wahhhhhhhh. Of course we're going to talk shtein when we're winning. Since when is that a crime? It amazes me that anyone who calls himself an Eagles fan could ever complain about others talking shtein when we're the kings of that.
Check a couple posts back and tell me who's complaining, cap'n... those "rearview mirror" and "sinking ship" posts were made in the Mets thread without a peep from me or Die-Hard. I even thought it was kind of funny. I post one pic in the Phillies thread and folks get their panties in a bunch.
Personally, I couldn't give two shteins about the pic or anybody here talking shtein about the Mets. I simply took a playful jab back in light of this past series.
Chill the farg out. :-D
Feva if i didn't love you so much, i'd hate you
Quote from: SunMo on July 02, 2007, 09:45:44 AM
Feva if i didn't love you so much, i'd hate you
Can we love to hate him? That's what we do with the Phillies.
Or is that hate to love them?
the 2nd
Quote from: SunMo on July 02, 2007, 09:45:44 AM
Feva if i didn't love you so much, i'd hate you
I'm just so gosh darn adorable though, ain't I?
Love you too honey, btw...
stylishly dressed young mans
Now Matt Smith needs Tommy John surgery. Pilin' on!
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 02, 2007, 01:32:58 PM
Now Matt Smith needs Tommy John surgery. Pilin' on!
If he comes out pitching like Tommy John instead of Matt Smith, I'm all for it!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 27, 2007, 08:53:26 PM
505 feet on Howards jack
Anyone brought up how the phillies just made this number up?
I heard it on eskin's show first. But then I saw it for myself. Howard hit the ball to ashburn alley, and the phils announced it was 505 ft...but there is a sign, not 5 feet from where the ball bounced that said 482.
The Phils made that number up to sell tickets
The Bat and Nunez tonight against Woody Williams. No Dobbs, no Bourn. Great.
Bases loaded, 1 out. Rowand hits a sacrifice fly but Victorino somehow gets caught in a goddamn rundown between third and second and the inning is over.
Jesus. :puke
1-0 Phillies.
It looked like Ausmus could have had Rollins at home if he had turned.
Patricia lives! 2-1
Patty cake delivers! 2-1 Losers.
So does Moyer have to go 9 to give us a chance?
dammit i want burrelll to go sub 200...hes ruining my fun
burrell watch .204
Quote
07/02/2007 7:38 PM ET
Howard will defend HR Derby crown
Not on All-Star team, Phils slugger invited to San Francisco
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com
HOUSTON -- Despite not being named to the National League All-Star team, Phillies slugger Ryan Howard won't give up his State Farm Home Run Derby crown without a fight.
The reigning NL MVP, who was invited back by Major League Baseball, will participate in the July 9 event at San Francisco's AT&T Park, and hopes to be in a field with Ken Griffey Jr. and Barry Bonds, two players he grew up admiring.
"Potentially having those guys in the Derby, it would be ridiculous," Howard said. "It will be a power-packed field. I'm going to have fun, and whatever happens, happens."
Howard, who belted 24 home runs to win last year's contest, said he's going because he enjoyed the All-Star experience last year, and would step in as a replacement if needed.
"It was fun last year and an honor to be invited back, whether I'm on the team or not," Howard said.
Of course, Howard is taking Phillies bullpen coach Ramon Henderson, who has emerged as arguably the greatest Home Run Derby pitcher. Henderson is going for a three-peat, having thrown meatballs to Howard in 2006 and Bobby Abreu in '05.
"He can't go without me," said Henderson, who also threw to Miguel Tejada and David Ortiz last year. "Once I show up, five other guys will want me to throw to them."
Manager Charlie Manuel had no problem handicapping the event.
"He's the reigning champ," he said. "If you watch him take batting practice, I'd say he stands a good chance of winning the thing."
Howard deferred to the locale, saying that right-handed hitters might have an advantage.
"Because of the wind off the Bay and the wind swirls that way," Howard said.
:P
Losers down 4-2. I'm beat and I'm going to hit the sack.
Later.
Grandpa Jamie barely hanging on by a thread.
dont sleep on the inbred offense not being able to hit pathetic woody williams in a park that is every bit the lauching pad that the bank is
burrell watch...strike out looking avg down to .203
Bases loaded, 3-2 count. Does Sanches:
A. Walk home a run, or
B. Give up a granny?
as long as i watch baseball ill never understand how a mlb pitcher can walk someone with the bases loaded
Victorino is retarded. I love his effort, but that was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen anyone do.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2007, 10:13:15 PM
as long as i watch baseball ill never understand how a mlb pitcher can walk someone with the bases loaded
because throwing a bp fastball > a walk?
yes
sanchez best fastball is better than a walk...if you throw a strike the batter can either strike out foul the ball off fly out ground out or get a hit...the odds are in your favor that something good will happen if you throw a strike..if you throw ball four nothing good can happen
Joe Table had that dude K'd but the ump blew two called strikes.
Either way the goddamn bullpen is like a walk-a-thon telethon. How much do you pledge?
so youre saying in a 3-2 bases loaded situation you want the pitcher throwing a bp fastball and taking your chances with that? you, my lilly white friend, are an idiot.
first of all its not a bp fastball its that particular pitchers best fastball
secondly have you ever watched a home run hitting contest...thats guys getting true bp fastballs knowing whats coming and still they dont hit for a great average
taking your chances with a fastball in that spot is infintely better than walking a guy...why would you give up a free run in a close late inning game
i cant even believe im arguing this with someone
Mets losing so this loss will hurt even more...
Someone should tell Vicorino that he just isn's as good as he thinks he is.
it really is unreal how much phillie fans overrate victorino...now with that idiotic dive tonight his legend will grow even more...hes a borderline full time player but youd never know it if you asked him or his fan club...his baseball IQ is incredibly low
Phillie fan will overrate any player that has one of these three things
1- Wilingness to do something physically retarded, and will be said to be gritty or has heart.
2- Mustache and/or Mullet
3- Beer Belly
If any player happens to have all three of those qualities, then they will willingly let them farg their own wife.
That would have been a HR at CBP. 7-5 Stros runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.
Coste up for Dobbs because Dobbsy can't hit lefties.
Bums
farging shteinbag losers works better.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2007, 10:36:10 PM
it really is unreal how much phillie fans overrate victorino...now with that idiotic dive tonight his legend will grow even more...hes a borderline full time player but youd never know it if you asked him or his fan club...his baseball IQ is incredibly low
I think his overall IQ is relatively low.
I have never seen a single player make so many boneheaded baserunning plays. Since his strength is supposed to be his speed on the basepaths, you'd think he's work on getting picked off and thrown out less often.
His getting thrown out at third could have cost the Phils one, maybe even more runs.
The dive into the stands was stupid, especially since it was useless - he had more of a chance catching malaria than he did that ball.
Who does he think he is, Derek Jeter?
The Flyin Hawaiian (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvck_ns--4)
I'm not going to sit here and say, "Wow, what a team player Victorino is!" or say it wasn't farging idiotic to make that leap, but the tune I think would be much different if he actually came down with the ball.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2007, 10:29:33 PM
first of all its not a bp fastball its that particular pitchers best fastball
I think for Sanches it's more of a control thing with his "best" fastball. I seriously doubt at 3-2 with the bases juiced Sanches is thinking, "I'm going to throw a ball! That'll fool him."
Quote from: PPinDC on July 03, 2007, 11:07:28 AM
I'm not going to sit here and say, "Wow, what a team player Victorino is!" or say it wasn't farging idiotic to make that leap, but the tune I think would be much different if he actually came down with the ball.
It wouldnt have mattered. It's a foul ball regardless of whether or not he caught it, a player can not go into the stands to catch a ball, they can lean over the rails but they can't make leap into it.
I just love the way Victorinoey plays the game. He's an ol'-fashioned gunslinger out there.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 03, 2007, 11:18:25 AM
I just love the way Victorinoey plays the game. He's an ol'-fashioned gunslinger out there.
Too bad he's shootin' blanks most of the time.
jay bilas thinks victorino really has a good motor.
Merril Hoge thinks he's capable of becoming a factor back.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 03, 2007, 11:46:53 AM
Merril Hoge thinks he's capable of becoming a factor back.
ha! :-D
I have to defend Victorino because of the whole island brotherhood thing. Now when it comes to Patsy Burrell, he can kiss my polynesian ass.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 03, 2007, 02:27:56 PM
I have to defend Victorino because of the whole island brotherhood thing.
Racist.
Victorino is an asset to this team simply because of his arm and speed defensively. His effort last night was good and I find it funny that he's ripped for going all out by the same dook who rips Rollins for his smiling and the Phillies for the quotes because they don't show commitment to winning. Odd, no?
Oswalt is going to stick it to these Sally's tonight and they'll be back at .500.
I predict big things from Barajas tonight.
I've hears several radio programs that proclaim the Phils' stupendous record since the 4-11 start.
It's kind of funny, because since they first reached .500 (at 20-20), they've been playing at a .500 clip since.
They've never been more than four games over .500 (35-31, 36-32, 40-36 and 41-37).
They've been at .500 exactly with 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 28, and 29 wins, before clearing it with a bit of room after that.
Now, it looks like they're going to be at that level again.
Victorino does have one asset: that gun of an arm.
Just threw out Ensberg at home to protect the Phils' 4-3 lead.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 03, 2007, 10:11:53 PM
Victorino does have one asset: that gun of an arm.
Just threw out Ensberg at home to protect the Phils' 4-3 lead.
how was that! great job by Barajas blocking the plate. guess he learned his lesson. great throw by the hawaiian superman.
phils bullpen, god help us.
I'm sorry but all the astro fans at Minute Maid Park need to stand up in unison and start chanting "Nerds, nerds, nerds, nerds." scary bunch.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 03, 2007, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 03, 2007, 11:18:25 AM
I just love the way Victorinoey plays the game. He's an ol'-fashioned gunslinger out there.
Too bad he's shootin' blanks most of the time.
Victorino isn't an all-star, but he does have the 4th best OPS of all RF's in the NL.
.275 with 9 HR and 26 SB is a very solid offensive first half. His 10 outfield assists don't hurt either. I think he is an asset, even if he's a bit overhyped in Philly.
DP to end the game. Phils win 4-3.
That was interesting.
Brutal call at first, even the local as$tros announcers even admitting it was over. :boom
Phils got screwed on the call. Come on up- the bullpen doesn't need any help starting fires! :boom
Always inventing new ways to lose games, gotta love the Phillies.
Thanks for the call, someone needs to be suspended for that fargin shtein.
Alfonseca looks like he's gonna cry. I kinda feel bad for him...
These fargers don't make it easy, do they?
Fatty's going to walk home the winning run, isn't he? >:(
EDIT: Thank goodness. The Phils live another inning.
JD Durbin coming in. :-D
Let Victorino pitch. He's got a better arm than anyone in the bullpen.
Lee was out by a good half step, awful job by the ump. The Umpires in general this year have been horrific.
What a terrible at bat by Howard
1st and 3rd, no outs, and they get NOTHING
pathetic farging team
Good ole Joe Table
farging Bums.
I'm not so pissed off at the Bums as I am by the blown call in the 9th
Ahhh, good times had by all. Eagles season starts when?
The blown call was bad, but the Phils had chances. Good teams would have shown some balls and won this game.
The Phils are not a good team. They're striving to be mediocre.
How abhorrently reasonable of you!
The blown call was bad, but the Phils had chances. Good teams would have shown some balls and won this game.
The Phils are not a good team. They're striving to be mediocre.
27 base runners last night and three runs...the bad call shouldnt have even come into play
Nope, it shouldn't have but they still should have won despite the offensive ineptitude. That call was brutal.
Once again our 3B coach demonstrates that he should be coaching t-ball somewhere. Steve Smith makes me long for the days of Bill Dancy.
I told my boy at work when they had those runners on with 0 outs in xtras that not a one would score. Babe grounds out to 3rd, Ruiz walked, Moyer K's and Rollins grounds out. Terrible. Add that to Utley's leadoff double in extras too and he was left chillin'.
The best part was here come Joe Table and he lasts ONE PITCH.
Barksdale is the home plate ump today. F'ing great
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 04, 2007, 01:14:17 PM
Barksdale is the home plate ump today. F'ing great
(http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/castcrew/character_season04/avon.jpg)
QuoteI ain't no suit-wearin' businessman like you... you know I'm just a gangsta I suppose...
Black people are scary.
if you see 20 brothers with skullys get nervous
come on everyone concentate real hard and see if we can get burrell below .200 today
Helmsy!
Minute Maid park is like a morgue
Colebert gives up another gopher ball. 1-1 tie.
Also - the home plate umpire is all over the place with his balls & strikes calls. Just horrendous.
Burrell seriously needs to be put out of his misery.
Another inning killing double play from that bum.
im debating a name change from king to home run hamels...ill give him another start or two but the trigger is close to getting pulled
Helmsy does it again! 2-1 Phils.
Helms is a one man wrecking machine
J-Roll with the dinger. 3-1 Phils.
Hamels gives up a lot of homers, but all he told hes one of the best starters in the NL. Only igy would get giddy when fixin on a reason to hate.
Utley boots a routine ground ball - bases loaded two out bottom of the 5th. No harm done, though, as Berkman pops out to Coste to end the inning.
Chasety with the triple to start things off in the top of the 6th.
Choke Dawg drives him in with a single to right - 4-1 Phils.
Hamels gives up a lot of homers, but all he told hes one of the best starters in the NL. Only igy would get giddy when fixin on a reason to hate
who hatin...hes my favorite phillie...but as ive said time and time you gotta call em like he see him and the guy is a home run machine...furthermore i didnt say he was getting an official name change just that it is under consideration
home run machine thats gonna 20 games? ill take it.
shoot low like the phils management does i dont care...im expecting king to win multiple cy youngs and thats not gonna happen leading the league in homers
Steve Carlton routinely led the league in home runs allowed and he won four Cy Young's.
Just sayin'...
Ryan Howard just hit a home run with one hand.
:o
Burrell just crushed one to left. 7-1 Phils.
Madson did his best to make the game interesting but somehow got out of jam in the 8th.
8-2 Phils.
By the way - I don't know if anyone else noticed this but there are a TON of insanely hot broads in Houston.
Jeebus.
Steve Carlton routinely led the league in home runs allowed and he won four Cy Young's.
he did give up a decent amount of homers...but only led the league once...and i dont believe he was even in the top ten in any of his cy young years...im not saying cole needs to give up the fewest amount of homers in the league and im resigned to the fact that hes gonna give up his share being in the bank half his starts but he must cut down on them...leading the league is unacceptable
Hamels and Howard are similar, HRs and K's.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 04, 2007, 05:52:16 PM
.and i dont believe he was even in the top ten in any of his cy young years...
1977 says hello.
Strikeout pitchers routinely give up a lot of HR's. Carlton did, Schilling did, Johnson did. It's just part of the game for a strikeout pitcher.
The Hall of Fame is littered with pitchers who gave up a ton of home runs in their careers. Robin Roberts, for instance, gave up a staggering number of home runs in his career (505) yet somehow he managed to win 286 games.
Carlton himself gave up 414 dingers yet managed to win 329 games.
Great pitchers are always around the strike zone. When you constantly throw strikes the occasional mistake will happen and if you throw a mistake to a major league hitter, it's going to go a long way.
Carlton only led the league in HR allowed once but he was consistently in the top 10 and often in the top 5.
From baseball-reference.com:
Quote1971 NL-23-10
1973 NL-29-3
1974 NL-21-6
1975 NL-24-3
1976 NL-19-6
1977 NL-25-7
1978 NL-30-1
1979 NL-25-4
1983 NL-20-9
Car-414-9
He's 9th all-time in ML history in HR's allowed.
1977 says hello
right so one cy young year he was in the TOP TEN...big deal...romey was saying he regularly led the league...like i said you cant lead the league in homers like hamels and expect to win multiple cy youngs...carlton only led the league once in his entire career...hamels in his first full season is leading the league...that cant continue
you guys are funny comparing a 23 year old to one of the greatest pitchers of all time
Basically it's showing igy that King can give up 2 solo homers a game and still be dominant. Sure he'll be top 5 in the league in homers allowed, but he'll walk home with cy youngs out the icehole.
So, when do we make reservations for Hamels' Hall of Fame induction?
Also a pitcher who gives up a HR's and isnt dominant in most other facets of the game will not be in a rotation long enough to lead the league in HR's allowed.
HR's allowed is one of those skewed stats that only tell a story when you want it to.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 05, 2007, 12:05:57 PM
So, when do we make reservations for Hamels' Hall of Fame induction?
Already sold out.
Tomorrow night might be the greatest night in Reading Phillies history.
Carlos Carrasco
Mike Schmidt bobbleheads
Mini-KISS
thats awesome. i spent at least two nights a week at that park when i was little.
The Clearwater Threshers are doing a bobblehead for future hall-of-famer Cole Hamels on July 19.
I may just have to make that one.
multiple choice pick one
a. king cole
b. hall of fame hamels
c. homer run hamels
a. ice grillin you the idiot
b. igyed out of a brain
c. getting igy with it, and by igy, i mean he a moron
Es very bad to take Joe Boo's Rum...es very bad.
Gordon's first rehab appearance: 1 IP, 1 K, 1 BB, no runs
awesome...he's ready
The $50M Mistake (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070706_Jim_Salisbury___The__50_Million_Mistake.html)
Paging William Beane, paging William Beane...please pick up the red courtesy phone.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 05, 2007, 12:05:57 PM
So, when do we make reservations for Hamels' Hall of Fame induction?
Tickets are already available on razorgator.com.
Quote from: Munson on July 05, 2007, 07:19:35 PM
Es very bad to take Joe Boo's Rum...es very bad.
I believe you are the first person to ever quote Major League and have no one find it funny. Congrats on that.
Oh, and it's JOBU you idiot.
Phils having a great first inning...and of course rug head has to ruin it with his fag sayings such as "Buckle your seatbelt here" and "welcome back to Coors!"
farging die!
It was funny to see the Rockies' catcher nearly get himself thrown out of the game arguing that fair/foul play and have it turn out that the umpire was absolutely right.
(Of course it was mainly funny because it didn't involve a Phillies player for a change.)
I have never seen Burrell move so fast as he did on that Helms double. Looked like he was going to lap Rowand.
Rockies' telecast just put a graphic of Burrell, Rowand and Victorino up with the title "Strong Arms Of The Law," sponsored by some lawyer.
anything is better than Wheeler, he's referenced 'this ballpark' about a million times already
I just have to say that I've been impressed by Kendrick, coming in from the farm and pitching as well as he's done for the Phils.
Of course, when the hitters make adjustments, he's probably screwed, but he's done well for the team thus far, especially tonight in a park known to intimidate far more experienced (and talented) pitchers.
his stuff isn't real impressive and his numbers aren't great, but he always manages to stay out of deadly innings and he squeezes outs when he needs too
Quote from: SunMo on July 06, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
anything is better than Wheeler, he's referenced 'this ballpark' about a million times already
I actually like the Rockies' announcers - pretty conversational without being overly trite. I just found the graphic amusing.
The Phils do have some good arms in the outfield, though. No brains, but good arms.
OK...so who gave Helms his roids back?
kendrick is uncanny in getting out of jams...normally its with the double play...tonight hes just making the right pitch at the right time
wheels can suck a fleshpop
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 06, 2007, 11:19:28 PM
kendrick is uncanny in getting out of jams...normally its with the double play...tonight hes just making the right pitch at the right time
wheels can suck a fleshpop
that's probably what he does between inning.
Mesa. swell, there goes my weekend.
Joe Table in to blow the game again.
wow, he did it. to bad it wasn't the bottom of the ninth.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 06, 2007, 11:48:50 PM
wow, he did it. to bad it wasn't the bottom of the ninth.
He was just leading you on. Here is comes.
Nice double play by Utley and Rollins to save Table's ass.
Now, take the shotgun and put Table out of our misery.
has a team ever needed an insurance run (or eight) more than the phils here
not capitalizing there in the 9th and overall only having two runs in the last seven innings is going to come back to haunt them
tie game
farging bums
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 07, 2007, 12:04:24 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on July 06, 2007, 11:48:50 PM
wow, he did it. to bad it wasn't the bottom of the ninth.
He was just leading you on. Here is comes.
and there it goes.
I don't know why I'm ticked off. With this bullpen we would be lucky to beat the Diamond Head Pinto 7-9 year olds.
whatever happened to Danny Almonte?
Edit: He married a 30 year old and plays for some minor league team.
idiot's!!
painful is an understatement
bahaha
losers
9999 is it?
I don't know which is worse, blowing a 5 run lead or not being able to score at Coors friggin field for 6 straight innings
farging bums
speechless. worse yet I'm drinking a Coors Light.
blowing a 5 run lead or not being able to score at Coors friggin field for 6 straight innings
definitely the latter...shtein you can blink and blow a 10 run lead at coors...what you cannot do is score two runs over the last nine innings and expect to win
Quote from: Don Ho on July 07, 2007, 01:17:45 AM
speechless. worse yet I'm drinking a Coors Light.
I don't know if that qualifies as ironic or merely coincidental but either way I like it.
:-D
farging bums blow a five run lead and only get two hits off the bullpen in six innings. Meanwhile, the Phillies bullpen springs leaks all over the place and snatches defeat from the jaws of victory again. Sickening. I'm glad I watched a movie last night instead of that partial birth abortion.
After the Phils batted in the 11th, I went to bed, figuring that a loss was inevitable.
That, and it was 1am. I was tired.
It's at times like this that I'm glad I don't live in Philly... because I'd have been watching the game.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 07, 2007, 09:32:17 AM
It's at times like this that I'm glad I don't live in Philly... because I'd have been watching the game.
I don't live in Philly - I PAY to watch this crap. :boom
I watched it. Unfortunately.
As soon as Kendrick went out and they turned it over to that group of no talent assclowns who are dressed like major league ballplayers but play like beer league softballers i knew they would lose.
Speaking of insulting the fans' intelligence, from Marcus Hayes' column today. . .
QuoteGetting that pair back, combined with the general effectiveness of Antonio Alfonseca, Ryan Madson and Mike Zagurski could turn one of the league's worst bullpens into one of its best.
Disgusting.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 07, 2007, 11:19:59 AM
Speaking of insulting the fans' intelligence, from Marcus Hayes' column today. . .
QuoteGetting that pair back, combined with the general effectiveness of Antonio Alfonseca, Ryan Madson and Mike Zagurski could turn one of the league's worst bullpens into one of its best.
Disgusting.
:-D What the heck is Hayes watching?
Alfonseca has blown two saves in the past three games.
Gordon seems to be cooked - and has since the second half of last season.
Madsen pitches scared.
And the Fat Man? :-D
The 2006 Home Run Derby is on ESPN right now if anyone cares.
Interesting night. I get into a fender bender that's my fault, the Phillies lose, but then I win another $70 at blackjack. So, who the farg cares. This is pointless.
A car accident in Philly? No way!
Lilly white Levittown what?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 07, 2007, 10:26:59 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 07, 2007, 09:32:17 AM
It's at times like this that I'm glad I don't live in Philly... because I'd have been watching the game.
I don't live in Philly - I PAY to watch this crap. :boom
roger that.
hey, at least you guys get to go to bed. i had to stew about this all night as the game ended at 7:30 PM HST. worse yet my son was with a friend and when he was dropped off late last night the kid's dad asks me "Phils pull it off?" I punched him in the face. My son that is.
What the farg is the point anymore. I've taken shteins better than this bullpen. The rotation outside of Hamels is mediocre. Manuel is a moron. Gillick doesn't give a shtein. Ownership just wants to make a profit. I hate baseball. I want to quit.
(http://media.philly.com/images/0707_phils_losers1.jpg)
19 days until camp opens.
Last night made me laugh. score quick again and then get shut down again.
Quote from: MDS on July 08, 2007, 12:00:41 AM
What the farg is the point anymore. I've taken shteins better than this bullpen. The rotation outside of Hamels is mediocre. Manuel is a moron. Gillick doesn't give a shtein. Ownership just wants to make a profit. I hate baseball. I want to quit.
sincerely,
The Phillies players
Carlos Carrasco pitched in the Futures Game a few minutes ago. He gave up a triple and a walk but he also had two strikeouts and worked his way out of a jam. He looked pretty damn good. Again.
Rain delay after 6 complete innings...Phils leading 5-4
It started pouring and the grounds crew got overwhelmed, so the Phils came to the rescue running out of the dugout, holding the tarp down, throwing bags of sand, getting soaked
The Rockies were nowhere to be found
The crowd gave the Phils an ovation when they came off the field
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 08, 2007, 05:16:56 PM
Rain delay after 6 complete innings...Phils leading 5-4
It started pouring and the grounds crew got overwhelmed, so the Phils came to the rescue running out of the dugout, holding the tarp down, throwing bags of sand, getting soaked
The Rockies were nowhere to be found
The crowd gave the Phils an ovation when they came off the field
Those idiots - they're ahead. Let the ground get soaked! ;)
Shane with a 2-run HR....7-4 Phils
3-run lead for the bullpen...yikes
Not enough. Bring in Glenn Wilson to pitch.
Stuck at 9999. farging losers.
if they can win friday ill be on hand saturday for what will hopefully be 10,000....that would be awesome
What do you know - the Phightless Phils reach the all-star break at exactly .500.
They will finish the season 3 games under.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 08, 2007, 07:02:02 PM
if they can win friday ill be on hand saturday for what will hopefully be 10,000....that would be awesome
I'm planning on heading to that game too. I'll be in Philly for a few days and hopefully can make it down. I may even try to get tickets to Fri and Sat game. I'd love to be on hand for 10,000 losses.
lemme know if youre def gonna do it sarge and perhaps we can meet up pregame for a beer or ten...i may even have an extra ticket or two if you need one
was looking back at a phils article from this weekend and found this gem...the bolded parts add up to = hilarity
DENVER - The 11th inning brought a 7-6 loss to the Rockies, Yorvit Torrealba singling off J.D. Durbin with two out and two on.
A different outcome was so close for the Phillies, now .500 again.
Kyle Kendrick, the 22-year-old Double A call-up, was one out away from a fourth win. He had given the Phillies six good innings and left with a 6-3 lead.
He could only watch as the assemblage of castoffs, retreads and youngsters blew it and the Rockies bullpen supplied five scoreless innings.
Lefty specialist Mike Zagurski, a Double A call-up barely out of Class A and less and less special all the time, gave up a run in the seventh when Matt Holliday, the league's top hitter, homered to centerfield. Reclamation project Jose Mesa got the last out and stranded two runners.
Mesa let in a run himself in the eighth to cut it to 6-5, but he stranded a runner when he induced Holliday to ground into a doubleplay.
Castoff lefty J.C. Romero got lefty Todd Helton to ground out for the first out in the ninth, bringing on righthanded closer-by-default Antonio Alfonseca to face righty Garrett Atkins. Atkins, hitting .261 against lefties with only one homer, flied out to left.
Lefty Brad Hawpe did better.
He crushed a 1-2 fastball over the centerfield fence and tied it with his 15th homer – and his 14th against righthanded pitching. He entered the game hitting .330 against righthanders, .191 against lefties.
Why not leave Romero in to face Atkins and Hawpe?
Anyway, it was Alfonseca's third blown save in nine chances and his second in a row. And no, neither Tom Gordon nor Brett Myers is within a week of being ready to return to the closer jobs they vacated because of injury.
Durbin, a Triple A call-up who supplied a poor fill-in start last week, followed Alfonseca with a scoreless 10th but walked Atkins with one out, had Hawpe single and move Atkins to second, then struck out Troy Tulowitski. Up came Torreabla; down went the Phillies.
Phillies.com article on the tarp thing (http://phillies.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20070708&content_id=2075353&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi) (including the FOX Sports Rocky Mountain video clips in case you missed it)
Also a quick note on Savery: it looks like the holdup is where he'll start. He wants to start at Lakewood. The Phils want him to start at Williamsport.
Quote"It was good enough for Ryan Howard and Chase Utley. It will be good enough for him."
a-holes
can someone put a bullett in shane victorino and put him out of his misery
"getting hurt never crossed my mind"
haha get the farg outta here...like he was airlifted onto the top of mt everest in the middle of a blizzard to save someone
"You see something like that, you get worried that somebody is going to get hurt," Victorino said. "It was funny to see us out there trying to pull the tarp and act like we know what we're doing."
so were you worried about someone getting hurt or was it just a big joke watching baseball players trying to get the tarp out there in the wind and rain
"The guy might have died," Greg Dobbs said.
the harrowing experience at Coors Field on Sunday afternoon
:puke
(http://media.philly.com/images/300*235/f50656d8-5c5b-4afd-85c8-0b769e6b72c8.jpg)
Monty said today the Phillies would be in the playoffs the last 6 years if they were in the NBA. That's all you need to know.
Igy,
There was one guy who got launched by that tarp. He looked like Billy Bob Thornton in that movie Pushing Tin when he stands under the 747. It was funny.
And Monty is a class A dooshbag. The Phillies ownership and front office is like the Bush Administration...never admit to shtein, dont listen to the public and act like their shtein dont stink.
Monty said today the Phillies would be in the playoffs the last 6 years if they were in the NBA
wow
i'm beyond anger at this point, it farging depressing.
Hahaha.
Monty: At least we're not as bad as the Sixers!
:-D
is there any doubt marcus hayes is on the phils payroll...hes close to entering wheels territory
Helpful Phils participate in coverup
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
DENVER - This edition of the Phillies, a selfless bunch, won the hearts of their fans because they weren't afraid of getting dirty. Yesterday's events will make them all the more popular.
kill me now
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 09, 2007, 09:55:36 AM
is there any doubt marcus hayes is on the phils payroll...hes close to entering wheels territory
Helpful Phils participate in coverup
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
DENVER - This edition of the Phillies, a selfless bunch, won the hearts of their fans because they weren't afraid of getting dirty. Yesterday's events will make them all the more popular.
kill me now
(http://beyondrivalry.blogspirit.com/images/medium_fluff.jpg)
That's my boy. He's so farging fat. No really. Like massive. Eats everything at the buffet. Fatty. Fat. Fat.
Phils can't keep from choking, even in the (*#&(*@#$&* all-star game.
you had to laugh at rowand swinging at the first pitch after the bases were walked loaded
classic
phils 0-4 with four men left on
and hamels got bailed out from giving up a run
choke dog choked in the derby
nice couple nites for the phils
10,000 here we come
Aaron Rowand left 4 on base, including the bases loaded down a run in the 9th.
If only Pat Burrell was there instead...!!
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 11, 2007, 08:04:13 AM
Aaron Rowand left 4 on base, including the bases loaded down a run in the 9th.
If only Pat Burrell was there instead...!!
Even his VORP wouldnt have saved him
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 11, 2007, 08:03:40 AM
you had to laugh at rowand swinging at the first pitch after the bases were walked loaded
he watched a fastball right down the middle
jesus igy is listening to way too much 610, what a negadelphian. go visit a crime scene in baltimore you noob.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400)
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I didn't get to play in an exhibition! My manager's a meanie! Wah!!!!!
What a bitch.
:-D
Quote from: SunMo on July 11, 2007, 08:37:58 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 11, 2007, 08:03:40 AM
you had to laugh at rowand swinging at the first pitch after the bases were walked loaded
he watched a fastball right down the middle
He mentally swung?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 11, 2007, 09:45:41 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400)
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I didn't get to play in an exhibition! My manager's a meanie! Wah!!!
What a bitch.
:-D
He has a point but damn he's a crying bitch
what a negadelphian. go visit a crime scene in baltimore you noob.
go suck on dave montgomerys bird you pathetic homer
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 11, 2007, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 11, 2007, 09:45:41 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400)
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I didn't get to play in an exhibition! My manager's a meanie! Wah!
What a bitch.
:-D
He has a point but damn he's a crying bitch
Oh, he has a point. That's for sure. He shouldn't whining like a stylishly dressed young man, though, especially over not appearing in an exhibition game.
if youre talking strictly strategy obviously larussa should have pinch hit with pujols...for god sakes he let a phillie go up there in a clutch situation
that said anyone who whines about anything in an exhibition game should be shot
I lost respect for him when he cried over not being named MVP last season. There's a way to bitch about something and be modest about it at the same time.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 11, 2007, 09:45:41 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400)
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I didn't get to play in an exhibition! My manager's a meanie! Wah!!!
What a bitch.
:-D
WRONG THREAD
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 11, 2007, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 11, 2007, 09:45:41 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar07/news/story?id=2932400)
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I didn't get to play in an exhibition! My manager's a meanie! Wah!
What a bitch.
:-D
WRONG THREAD
Jesus farg, man.
Post less.
;)
Don't wink at me, Sun Mo.
You complete me.
In case anyone wants to check out some of the Phillies minor leaguers in action since nothing else is on:
AAA (ESPN2 7:30) = Jaramillo
Eastern League (CN8 or SNY 7:30) = Costanzo, Matt Maloney, Jesus Merchan, Jason Hill, Greg Jacobs, Chris Key
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 11, 2007, 10:00:36 AM
what a negadelphian. go visit a crime scene in baltimore you noob.
go suck on dave montgomerys bird you pathetic homer
interesting comeback seeing as im critical of the phillies, but since i still want them to win and dont spin every event into some kind of negative story, im a homer? its the farging all-star game. who gives a shtein you cracker.
Ouch. . . :-D
QuoteBill Conlin | The biggest L0,000SERS
OK, CLAIRE BETZ, why don't you and your cute, little dog sit close to the door in case of a sandbox emergency. I don't recognize any of you male partners, but if you raise your hands when your name is called, we can get started.
Let's start with you Tri-Play Associates guys. Alexander K. Buck . . . J. Mahlon Buck Jr. . . . William C. Buck. All present and accounted for.
Now, the Old Money guy . . . Since Bill Giles couldn't be with us today to represent Giles Limited Partnership, you must be John S. Middleton, of Double Play Inc.
I'm sorry if the T-shirt offends you, John. But "I'm Not the World's Biggest Loser . . . I Only Own Them" takes The Phillies Limited Partnership off the hook, if not off the griddle. In case you missed it, Claire, your investment has lost 9,999 games and shortly will become the first team in the history of any sport to lose 10,000 times. No, Claire, Dave Montgomery will not throw a party for the partners. Dave Montgomery is too busy trying to get the Phillies into the NBA, so they can make the postseason every year. That's a joke, Al, a sick one.
First, thanks for coming. You all go back to the original partnership put together by Bill Giles in 1981 in one way or another, and in 26 years, it's the first time I've ever seen you all in one place - or, for some of you, any place. You folks have made yourselves so invisible, a lot of fans think you're some kind of Siegfried & Roy trick. Claire, I saw you and your doggie in Clearwater a few times when the owners were down there being wined and dined. My restaurant buddy, Luigi Gallace, told me you all dined at Villa Gallace with Monty a couple of Marches ago. He said you loved the veal parm.
And I actually sat at the same table in the media lunch room at Jack Russell Stadium one spring with one of you Bucks; can't remember which. Mr. Middleton, I couldn't pick you out of a police lineup. You've aged a little since your Amherst senior picture.
Let me congratulate you all on the new valuation in Forbes magazine. The Phillies' sale price in 1981 was $30 million. Forbes just bumped the ballclub value to $457 million. You Bucks are venture capital investors. Ever imagine in your wildest dreams an investment that would return you 1,400 percent? Harry Truman used to have a sign on his desk that said, "The Buck Stops Here.'' You guys should have one that says, "The Bucks Start Here.''
Now, on a more serious note, you folks realize, of course, you are one loss away from being a national laughingstock. Your "Cheers'' days are about to end because you are the biggest losers and everybody is going to know your names. Everybody but Forbes, that is. In the piece in which they raise the club value to $457 million, they also supplied this bit of crack research: "The Philadelphia Phillies are owned by Bill Giles, who bought them in 1981 for $30 mil.'' I wonder if these financial wizards have heard the news that Nixon resigned.
You obviously went into this in 1981 with eyes wide shut. It seemed like a really neat way to shelter some money and own a piece of the ultimate rich person's toy: a big-league baseball team. In addition to the tax advantages of limited partnership, you got your VIP parking spaces, your seats in the owners' box, that annual spring-training junket where you got to be blown off by Steve Carlton, iced by Mike Schmidt and high-fived by Tug McGraw. And wasn't it great when you went to the World Series in 1983 in only your second full season as owners? Of course, that was the team built by the great baseball men who worked for the Carpenters - that foul-mouthed Paul Owens and loud-mouthed Dallas Green. What a hard-living bunch of lunatics they were.
Then things kind of went to hell. You are riding a postseason 1-for-23 since 1983. Maybe you even noticed, Claire, after your husband passed away and were left with the biggest slice, an estimated paper value of about $180 million. Now you are all about to become the punch line of the sports joke of the year.
And don't throw up your hands and say, "What do we have to do with events that began in 1883?'' Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote that history is the lengthened shadow of a man. Well, the shadow of 10,000 losses and all those baad ballplayers has fallen on your watch. The shadow bypassed Al Reach and Gerry Nugent and William Cox and the rest of the lousy owners before the Carpenters. Early on, the Carpenters believed in all the Amendments to the Constitution but the 14th. They thought Dred Scott was a utility infielder. But when Bob and Ruly finally got it right, they built themselves a helluva ballclub.
Paper profits are nice to look at each month, but they can't buy you a top free-agent pitcher who doesn't mind a 4.50 ERA in a dollhouse of a ballpark where the hitter is Ken and the ballgirl is Barbie. Dave Montgomery and his baseball people have spent money like drunken sailors in a liberty port cathouse. And, like those sailors, all they have to show for it is a series of hangovers. Claire, get Dave to tell you about Freddy Garcia, Pat Burrell, Gavin Floyd and your Sahara minor league system.
So, everybody slip on your T-shirts and get ready to face the music.
Like it or not, Teflonics, you really are the biggest losers, and everybody knows your names.
QuotePaper profits are nice to look at each month, but they can't buy you a top free-agent pitcher who doesn't mind a 4.50 ERA in a dollhouse of a ballpark where the hitter is Ken and the ballgirl is Barbie. Dave Montgomery and his baseball people have spent money like drunken sailors in a liberty port cathouse. And, like those sailors, all they have to show for it is a series of hangovers. Claire, get Dave to tell you about Freddy Garcia, Pat Burrell, Gavin Floyd and your Sahara minor league system.
Great angry diatribe. I hope every writer just focuses the attacks on the ownership. Hopefully they'll tire of being in the media and sell.
The silent partners probably don't even live in Philly, and only care to see their monthly paychecks get bigger. Infuriating.
not to an apologist like you it isnt
skip dip bayless picks Phils to win NL on First and 10 today? Not just the NL East but the NL.
excuse me while I go find my crack pipe.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 12, 2007, 04:01:15 PM
skip dip bayless picks Phils to win NL on First and 10 today? Not just the NL East but the NL.
excuse me while I go find my crack pipe.
I heard that this morning. So much for any chance they had.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 12, 2007, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on July 12, 2007, 04:01:15 PM
skip dip bayless picks Phils to win NL on First and 10 today? Not just the NL East but the NL.
excuse me while I go find my crack pipe.
I heard that this morning. So much for any chance they had.
what was even funnier was that he said they could still win without Freddie Garcia. all righty than.
Well, it's not like they've been winning with Freddy Garcia...
That's why it's funny. Derrrrrrrrrr.
why Larry Bowa is the best....NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqIj4x9SzhQ
He's a farging funhole
Quote from: SunMo on July 13, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
why Larry Bowa is the best....NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqIj4x9SzhQ
awsome :yay
the thing with the fingers is the best
That's mild for Larry.
Tom Gordon gave up five runs in one-third of an inning - against GULF COAST LEAGUE batters. :-D
Yeah - the calvary's coming.
i have a pair of phils tix for tomorrow nite if anyone is interested
$16 ea.
Quote from: SunMo on July 13, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
why Larry Bowa is the best....NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqIj4x9SzhQ
Did you notice "Amaro" trying to calm him down? Ha.
yo son thats reuben amaro sr
Apparently, that's where Ruben Jr inherited his miniscule nutsack.
Alright boys, the path to the World Series starts tonight!
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 13, 2007, 02:07:20 PM
i have a pair of phils tix for tomorrow nite if anyone is interested
$16 ea.
check your pms
looks like that dry spell vs. Wells is over
Kip Wells is one of those guys I always expected the Phillies to sign... because he would fit right in.
give it another 2 years
or two weeks when they trade carrasco for him
Durbin sucks, he entered the game with an 11 run lead and I still didn't feel safe
When Durbin walked in a run in the 9th the fans started booing their asses off. I started laughing because I thought only in Philly could we find a reason to boo with a 10-run lead.
:-D
He's going to be the 5th starter in LA next week too.
He's got no control...although he did look half decent in that extra inning game in Colorado.
Here's an article in the local rag, by a local Phillies fan/writer:
Quote10,000 proud
Phillies' fans grow used to yearly bafflement as losses mount
By Bob Tennant
btennant@news-press.com
Originally posted on July 14, 2007
Editor's note: With the Philadelphia Phillies on the brink of history, we turn to our resident Phillies expert to put all this in perspective.
Congratulations are in order. The Philadelphia Phillies will soon be — tonight, maybe — the proud parents of their 10,000th bouncing, baby loss.
If they happen to offer you a cigar, pass. It would just blow up in your face. The Phils have been pulling that ol' gag on their fans for 124 years.
They not only are used to it; they've grown to expect it. They embrace it. They love it.
Wilson Pickett had his 1,000 dances. Minnesota has its 10,000 lakes.
Phillies: 10,000 losses, more than any other pro franchise. And counting.
What's not to be proud of?
Red Sox Nation, so named to combat a lingering — and well-founded — sense of inferiority to the Yankees, seems not to be satisfied that the Red Sox win a World Series every 87 years, whether they have to or not.
Cubs fans wail long and loud over their fate, which is that they haven't had a World Series title to celebrate since 1908.
For these fruitless endeavors, Beantowners blame the Bambino; Northsiders blame some poor goat and some poor Bartman.
Phillies fans blame no one.
They embrace futility. They wear it like a badge of courage.
Unlike those sniveling, whining people in Boston and Chicago, we Philadelphians don't need to manufacture curses or scapegoats. The Phillies didn't need any hocus-pocus bad luck to lose 10,000 games.
They dabble in losing the way DaVinci dabbled in oils.
In a pathetic, miserable history that began in 1883, the Phillies can make these two claims — and only these two — to baseball lore:
• A World Series win. One.
• A big, stupid, green mascot.
Other than that, what exactly can you come up with that would masquerade as an accomplishment?
Cue the exploding cigars:
• They had an owner, William Cox, who lasted one year — 1943 — before he was banned from the game for life for betting on his team.
• They had a manager, Eddie Sawyer, who lasted one game into the 1961 season, quitting on the spot as he no doubt sensed what was to come.
"I'm 49 years old," he famously said as he let the door hit him in the butt, "and I want to live to be 50."
His successor, rookie manager Gene Mauch, seethed and cursed, and turned over post-game spreads of pork chops as he endured a 23-game losing streak.
• In all of their 124 years, they appeared in four World Series other than in 1980, when, somehow, defying all logic, they won. In those four Series — 1915, 1950, 1983 and 1993 — they won a total of four games.
• They had a manager, Danny Ozark, who, with a two-run lead over the Dodgers going into the ninth inning of what would have been a National League Championship Series-clinching win, either a) refused to; or b) forgot to pull lumbering left fielder Greg Luzinski for defensive replacement Jerry Martin.
Ozark claimed he wanted to get Luzinski, whose spot was on deck, one more at-bat. But, of course, the Phillies wouldn't have needed that at-bat, because Martin would have caught the two-out fly ball by Vic Davalillo that Luzinski butchered.
The Dodgers, of course, went on to win that game and, of course, went on to win Game 5.
Like I said, Phillies fans were not at all surprised by that turn of events, because ...
• In 1964, the Phillies created the Mona Lisa of baseball choke jobs.
Up 6 and 1/2 games on the second-place Cardinals with 12 to play, the Phillies went on to lose 10 games in a row, yakking up contests in every imaginable way — to start the streak off, for example, the Reds won when someone named Chico Ruiz stole home with a startled Frank Robinson ready to swing away.
Mauch stubbornly stuck with a three-pitcher rotation — Jim Bunning, Chris Short and Dennis Bennett — throughout the final two weeks, while erstwhile starters Art Mahaffey, Ray Culp and Dallas Green watched, their arms in various states of health.
No team before or since has coughed up a pennant in such shamefully inept fashion.
The franchise, and city, has never recovered from it.
The Phillies won that one World Series in 1980. The Flyers won back-to-back Stanley Cups in 1974 and '75. The Sixers had that terrific championship team in 1983-84. And the Eagles, God bless 'em, keep trying.
But ask any Philly sports fan with any decent amount of mileage what team comes first to his or her memory, and those damnable '64 Phillies will be the choice.
I was about to turn 14 when that team stood on the precipice of a World Series. By that time my father had taught me what it means to be a Philly sports fan. How if you let down your guard, even for a moment, they'll break your heart.
A colleague here at The News-Press figured out for me the other night that, since 1956, when I can first remember my father taking me to watch the Phils at Connie Mack Stadium, I've been witness to 4,101 of those 10,000 losses.
That sounded about right. Like I said, you get used to it.
But with 12 games to play, and that 6 and 1/2-game lead, I fell into the trap. I allowed myself to start celebrating the 1964 National League champion Philadelphia Phillies.
In the 43 years since, I've never accepted another of their cigars.
The smoke and the ash from the last one are still there.
And the scars still smart.
— Bob Tennant is assistant news editor at The News-Press. A 27-year veteran of Philadelphia-area sports departments, he covered the 1980 World Series champion and 1993 National League champion teams on a regular basis.
Quote• A big, stupid, green mascot.
Find him and punch him in the farging face, Geo.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 14, 2007, 12:10:01 PM
Quote• A big, stupid, green mascot.
Find him and punch him in the farging face, Geo.
As soon as I finally recover from mowing this @*&@#*&* lawn.
Gordon's start in GCL yesterday: 2 IP, 1 hit, 3 Ks, no runs or walks
He's flying back to Philly today and will throw in the bullpen tomorrow. If it goes OK, he'll be activated for the LA/SD trip
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 14, 2007, 01:14:00 PM
Gordon's start in GCL yesterday: 2 IP, 1 hit, 3 Ks, no runs or walks
He's flying back to Philly today and will throw in the bullpen tomorrow. If it goes OK, he'll be activated for the LA/SD trip
World. Series.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 14, 2007, 01:14:00 PM
Gordon's start in GCL yesterday: 2 IP, 1 hit, 3 Ks, no runs or walks
He's flying back to Philly today and will throw in the bullpen tomorrow. If it goes OK, he'll be activated for the LA/SD trip
Hey, that brings Gordon's GCL ERA under 20.00!
Yep, he's ready! :yay
Pat Burrell actually drove in some runs earlier!
My boy JRoll has started off the second half on fire...
Utley is smokin' it too.
10-4 final
phils farg me again...cant even lose 10k when im there...fargin clowns
Wah. Maybe they will never lose another game, just to piss you off.
Myers is targeting July 24 as his return date
Joe Savery signed
Anderson Garcia down to AAA, Clay Condrey back up (guesses are he will start Tuesday)
Eric Karros on Fox yesterday said that if Burrell starts hitting the Phillies might score ten runs a game.
Hahaha! :-D
Typical outsider's comment. What he doesn't know is if Burrell starts hitting then someone else will get hurt or go into a horrendous slump.
That's how it is when you're a Phillie, Eric. Try and keep up.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 15, 2007, 01:54:34 PM
Eric Karros on Fox yesterday said that if Burrell starts hitting the Phillies might score ten runs a game.
Hahaha! :-D
Typical outsider's comment. What he doesn't know is if Burrell starts hitting then someone else will get hurt or go into a horrendous slump.
That's how it is when you're a Phillie, Eric. Try and keep up.
And burrell went 3 for 3 and the phils won 10-4
Quote from: Wingspan on July 15, 2007, 02:39:54 PM
And burrell went 3 for 3 and the phils won 10-4
Thank you Captain Prosaic.
Who didn't know, deep down, that the Phils were just waiting until today so they could get the maximum audience for loss #10,000?
Loss #10,000 coming up, courtesy of one Adam Eaton.
The hitters are doing their fair share tonight. Four whole hits through five innings. They're making Adam Wainwright look like Cy Young out there.
13 runs two nights ago, 10 runs last night and now the crickets at the stadium are making more noise than the Phillies bats.
WORLD.
SERIES.
10,000 in a few short minutes. I feel the love.
LOL.
I was hoping they'd make it 10-9 before blowing it.
10,000!
woohoo
Phils and Mets get the LA/SD trip
Braves and Marlins get the CIN/STL visit
Could be a bad week
Gordon was activated after the game and Sanches (boy he sucked ass again tonight....4 HRs in 2 IP) is headed back to Ottawa
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6087/phillieslosers625qk6.jpg)
^ Someone forgot to change the score on the graphic. ^
How fitting, though.
:-D
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it was pretty funny.....at least the ending was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3OD9qHmts
Question:
How many wins do the Phillies have all-time?
9
8810 wins
in other words they could have 10 straight 100+ win seasons and still not reach 10000 wins
that's what makes it so funny when people try to justify the 10000 losses due to longevity
Quote from: SunMo on July 16, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
that's what makes it so funny when people try to justify the 10000 losses due to longevity
It's the longevity of suckiness.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 16, 2007, 03:33:37 PM
8810 wins
in other words they could have 10 straight 100+ win seasons and still not reach 10000 wins
It would take them 30 years of going at least 101-61 before they reached .500 as a franchise.
:-D
Quote from: PPinDC on July 16, 2007, 01:26:54 PM
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it was pretty funny.....at least the ending was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3OD9qHmts
a good friend of mine made this. its not funny and he's a giant, giant nerd. die.
So yeah...what should we expect from this LA/SD trip? 2-5...3/4?
Get to listen to Vin Scully tonight - going old school.
Rollins WALKED. :o
The Phillies got a lead off walk in, holy shtein.
Ryan Howard really should have made Penny throw more pitches there.
Moyer getting shelled in the 1st
So yeah...what should we expect from this LA/SD trip? 2-5...3/4?
against average or bad teams id say 3-4 because the phils are basically a .500 team and less than that with the rotation the way it is...against two quality teams on the road two is the most they can win...and a total disaster of less than two is def not out of the realm of possibility
Taking 2 would solid, 3 would be great.
Moyer clearly has been running on empty since May. He's like 55 years old. He's shot. Between him, Eaton and JD Durbin, I'd say this is one hell of a rotation.
yay pitching
10-1 Dodgers after 6 1/2.
Phillies = stylishly dressed young mans.
10,001
!
i read this morning that jamie moyer's first big league win came against the phillies and steve carlton. jesus he's old.
13.50 era jd durbin goes tonight in the middle of a division race
i was trying to figure out a clever way to say this: this phillies aren't in a division race.
i think they think they are tho
If they really did...JD Durbin would not be starting on this team.
Don't worry, the cavalry may be coming! (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Phils-search-for-credible-starter;_ylt=AhwgZy41HGVdGBv5SFKHGdkk0bYF?urn=mlb,39485)
World :-D Series :boom
If they really did...JD Durbin would not be starting on this team
could be the funniest thing ive ever read on this board
you give the phillies way to much credit they absolutely would start him and be thinking well myers gordon and garcia are coming back we just need to hold the fort down for a few more weeks....blah blah puke blah throw up blah...
they may mathematically be in a division race, but really, they aren't in a division race
QuoteOne possibility is Kyle Lohse, who is 5-11 with a 4.68 ERA with the Cincinnati Reds this season.
Nothing says credible like a .313 winning percentage.
On the other hand, an ERA of. 4.68 might actually keep the Phillies in most games.
Lohse for Rowand & Carrasco. Make it happen, Gillick.
So, how quickly can Durbin cough up the 3-0 lead?
cork sucking Liebethal is absolutely killing the ball. He hasn't hit the ball like this since his wife was sucking Burrell's dick in Spring Training in 2001.
8-1 stylishly dressed young mans.
Stultz vs Howard: three pitches, two 2-run HRs
11-1 :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 18, 2007, 12:13:28 AM
Stultz vs Howard: three pitches, two 2-run HRs
11-1 :yay
Vin Scully waxed poetic on the second homer. 'Twas a thing of beauty!
He's also compared Howard to former Phil
Richie Dick Allen.
Rowand and Burrell (#200 for his career) join the party
Durbin put in a credible performance tonight.
I know, it's easy to pitch with a big lead, but he still got the outs.
Yay team!!111!
zzzzzzz
lololololololololololol
I thought Vin Scully was gonna have an accident after Howard hit his second dinger. He was actually giggling.
I just can't figure this team. They absolutely get mauled two nights in a row and then come out and destroy the ball and get good pitching to boot.
Schizophrenic.
thats what 500 teams do...whats there to get
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 18, 2007, 08:47:02 AM
thats what 500 teams do...whats there to get
How many .500 teams have you seen get 26 hits in one night? How many .500 teams have you seen lead the league in hitting?
If they had ANY semblance of a pitching staff this team would be World Series contenders. What a shame.
PS: LOL @ Mo.
AIDS. :-D
How many .500 teams have you seen get 26 hits in one night? How many .500 teams have you seen lead the league in hitting?
the colorado rockies say (http://chat2.globalpinoy.com/images/emoticons/wave.gif)
Okay, how many teams that don't play at a 5,280 foot elevation?
Durbin surprised me somewhat. Like I said earlier he threw decent in COL...if he can get his control consistent then maybe they have something.
Why does Clay Condrey still have a job in MLB?
Those dudes were crushing the ball last night. But all that means is today they'll be held to 0-2 runs and leave 14 on base. That is their MO.
By the way - Flash has been pitching with a torn labrum since 2005ish. They signed him despite that.
But yet they don't sign Joe Borowski.
This team's front office is a collection of douchebags.
you can't butcher the closer situation any more than they have, starting with not signing Billy Wagner to a 3 year deal when they had the chance, then they didn't trade him, then they let him go and the rest is history
Well hopefully Myers can solidify that role for a long time because he is cut out to be a closer. Even though I was totally against that move, I now like it.
But you are right - they farged up bad on that one.
Myers has already injured himself once in the closer's role. To assume he'll have success there is a stretch, Jay. I don't think he has the mental makeup for it, personally. I hope he does because the Phillies have no one in the minors who's close and free agent closers, at least ones with any sort of stuff at all, are looking to get Wagner money and we know the Phillies aren't paying anyone close to that. It's sad, really.
Okay, how many teams that don't play at a 5,280 foot elevation?
the launching pad that is the bank cancels out any elevation advantage
also i believe the yankees lead the ML in offense this year
i totally agree on myers as far as the closer...not only is he more valuable at starter i think the jury is still way out on whether he can be a closer...i mean he had some success for one month at the job and all of sudden hes cut out for it?...
i dont see the mental makeup or the overwhelming stuff that would scream im a closer...he has a super 12-6 when its on but has there ever been a closer that had a curveball as his out pitch...not saying there isnt but i cant think of any...htey are few and far between...closers have had the mean hook but its almost always backed up by a dominant mid to high 90's fastball which myers doesnt have...
The thing with Myers that concerns me most is the inevitable meltdown inning he goes through. He can be flat-out dominating one inning and then completely shelled the next. He would escape the innings most nights but on some occasions he would just get destroyed. A closer has to be able to take the ball and protect tight leads night after night. I just don't see Myers being capable of doing that. Maybe the Phillies do, and I hope they're right. I just don't see it.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 18, 2007, 11:52:35 AM
The thing with Myers that concerns me most is the inevitable meltdown inning he goes through. He can be flat-out dominating one inning and then completely shelled the next. He would escape the innings most nights but on some occasions he would just get destroyed. A closer has to be able to take the ball and protect tight leads night after night. I just don't see Myers being capable of doing that. Maybe the Phillies do, and I hope they're right. I just don't see it.
he needs a blow up doll he can punch in the face in the clubhouse.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 18, 2007, 11:52:35 AM
The thing with Myers that concerns me most is the inevitable meltdown inning he goes through. He can be flat-out dominating one inning and then completely shelled the next. He would escape the innings most nights but on some occasions he would just get destroyed. A closer has to be able to take the ball and protect tight leads night after night. I just don't see Myers being capable of doing that. Maybe the Phillies do, and I hope they're right. I just don't see it.
I guess the reason I think he is cut out for it is because when he is a starter he obviously pitches more innings. And if he gets into trouble in the 2nd sometimes it affects him the whole game. Like he isn't able to shake it off. But in the closers role its a shorter exposure. Granted he will have to go 2-3 nights in a row, but I still believe that he has the make-up to be a closer. Either way I am still the number 1 Myers fan-boy.
Plus he hit Drew Henson's pansy ass with a pitch when he was attempting to play for the Yanks and Drew charged him. I like that.
Anyways...they need for him to be good. Because if he fails I have ZERO faith in the lobotomized "brain" trust of Gillick, Amaro, and Arbuckle to find another closer.
solid closers are relatively easy to find
what we all should be concerned about is if myers is a good closer then what the hell happens to the rotation
in fact if they are gonna stay with myers hopefully being a closer id just as soon get rid of him...as it would just make their rotation completely laughable and have them farther than ever away from any sort of contention
At what point has myers ever been a consistant starter?
When did this happen?
the guy is only 26 and has started to come around the last two years showing improvement...im not phreak who thinks hes a future ace but jesus 26 is so young to give up on a potential great #2 or 3 starter....which myers could be
the upside in sticking with him in that capacity is so much higher than hoping hes gonna be a good closer
the fact that the phils abandoned a 26 year old starting pitcher with good stuff is amazing to me and just another in a long line of stupid decisions by this organization
Quote from: Wingspan on July 18, 2007, 12:34:23 PM
At what point has myers ever been a consistant starter?
When did this happen?
Well, in the four seasons previous to this one he pitched 193, 176, 215 & 198 innings and won 14, 11, 13 & 12 games respectively.
I'd say that's fairly consistent, wouldn't you?
Ok...so he's been consistantly just above mediocre. Whooopppie!
his numbers were pretty good for his first four years in the league...a lot of guys would kill for them...theres certainly been guys with equal or worse numbers in their first four years who have turned out to be very good pitchers
theres an area in between phreaks assesment of myers becoming the next john smoltz and wing thinking hes the worst thing since bruce ruffin...its in that area where i stand...
but thats neither here nor there i just dont see how at his age and with the phillies current and future pitching needs how anyone could agree with the guy being made into a closer
I don't think he's the worst thing since Bruce Ruffin.
I think he's an average starter that MAY be a #2 on a bad team or a #3 on a good team, but I think he's actually going to be a very good closer.
Kent, Garciaparra and Kemp are out of the Dodgers lineup today. The Phils might have a chance...
Howard with a bomb to tie the game in the top of the 2nd...
He was up in the 1st when Victorino got thrown out at 2nd trying to steal
Victorino is an idiot for trying to steal with howard up.
In fact, for someone who has the skills that he shown, he's has the propensity to be a complete jackass sometimes.
OH...and Burrell is almost hitting .500 in july. Did he get back together with Heather Mitts?
i'll always love Harry Kalas, but this is my first time listening to Vin Scully, and it's not even really close with the talent level. Sculley is remarkable with his words.
harry is essentially a vegetable at this point in his career...however because hes harry you gotta go easy on em but more so because he hates wheels and anyone who is an enemy of that douchebag is my bestest friend
yeah, i'm not ripping harry, i'm just saying it's amazing how awesome Scully is
Quote from: SunMo on July 18, 2007, 04:11:05 PM
i'll always love Harry Kalas, but this is my first time listening to Vin Scully, and it's not even really close with the talent level. Sculley is remarkable with his words.
Vin is the man. He seems to get better with age. What I like about him is he is by no means a homer. It' s almost impossible to distinguish that he is the Dodgers play by play announcer. We get all the Dodger games here and it is really a treat to listen to him
I used to listen to Scully when he did the NBC Baseball Game of the Week back in the early-mid 1980s. I think it was him that did Nolan Ryan's fifth no-hitter.
Looks like it's back to .500 unless they can get to Saito. Yay!
I woke up in time to see the last inning. Wonderful.
I like the single-announcer thing the Dodgers have going. Scully is a legend, of course, and he's still a fantastic announcer but the absence of constant chatter is what's most appealing about their broadcasts.
It's just a guy describing the events of the game and tossing in the occasional anecdote. After listening to Diarrhea Mouth and Mumbles all season, these past few games have been very refreshing.
i think the quality of Harry's game would immediately go up if he were allowed to do what Sculley does. you wouldn't have wheels there to call out his every mistake and he wouldn't feel the need talk as fast as i'm sure he does with a 3 man booth
Or they could get rid of Wheels and Sarge and put LA on TV for 9 innings.
Quote from: SunMo on July 18, 2007, 08:11:14 PM
i think the quality of Harry's game would immediately go up if he were allowed to do what Sculley does. you wouldn't have wheels there to call out his every mistake and he wouldn't feel the need talk as fast as i'm sure he does with a 3 man booth
I agree with this. Harry was great on ESPN the other night when they actually let him talk. I loved hearing him in a booth with 2 people that APPRECIATED him and weren't CLEARLY trying to take his job...ahem...Wheels.
I don't think there's a Phillies fan out there who doesn't despise Chris Wheeler. I think it says a lot about the Phillies front office that he continues to be a lead broadcaster on their telecasts despite nearly every fan who watches hating his guts.
It's like how they make the worst possible decisions on the field. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of the game could do a better job of constructing the team and making on-field decisions, yet they stick with doing it "the Phillies way."
The broadcasters suck. The team is mediocre. Yet they continue on without listening to the concerns of the people who pay the bills. But why should they? Hell - we're dumb enough to keep supporting them by watching the games, going to the ballpark in record numbers, buying jerseys and other crap from them. Why should they change when we, the fans, refuse to?
i bought a ticket plan this year
i do turn the sound off on my laptop tho when its the phillies tv feed of the game
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I don't care what the phillies do. It does nothing but piss me off when i think about how they run their business. However, I do like going to baseball games so I am not really going to boycot it either.
I think of it now as going to the movies. It's entertainment. Executive producers take ticket and dvd money and make bad movies with it all the time. It's exactly what the phils do.
Somehow, the Phils of the 2000s have mastered being JUST good enough to:
- prevent a full fan backlash
- delude themselves into thinking they're only a good break or mediocre starting pitcher away from the playoffs
what keeps me positive is the notion the Phils would have been in the playoffs the past few years if they were playing in the NFL, NBA or NHL. {insert sawed off shotgun into mouth}
phils signed savery and will send him to the ny/penn league this weekend
QuotePhils sign top pick Savery
INQUIRER REPORT
The Phillies last night signed lefthanded pitcher Joe Savery, their first-round selection in this year's First-Year Player Draft, to a contract and the 21-year-old will join the Williamsport Crosscutters (New York-Penn League) in Lowell, Mass., tomorrow.
The contract includes a bonus of $1,372,500 plus a college scholarship.
Savery, a junior, was the 19th overall selection in the first round out of Rice University, which went to the College World Series. The Owls finished third in the nation.
As a pitcher at Rice, the 6-foot-3 Savery finished 11-1 with a 2.99 ERA. In 18 starts, he allowed 82 hits and 41 walks in 93.1 innings. He struck out 61.
A college scholarship? Huh??
He probably wants to finish his college degree. And he wants to play pro ball.
My guess is he went to college on a full athletic scholarship, which he will now lose with the phils contract, so the phils are in a way guaranteeing that he can finish college.
There are different tax rules for that too, which probably had something to do with why it's singled out that way.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 19, 2007, 09:04:21 AM
I don't think there's a Phillies fan out there who doesn't despise Chris Wheeler. I think it says a lot about the Phillies front office that he continues to be a lead broadcaster on their telecasts despite nearly every fan who watches hating his guts.
It's like how they make the worst possible decisions on the field. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of the game could do a better job of constructing the team and making on-field decisions, yet they stick with doing it "the Phillies way."
The broadcasters suck. The team is mediocre. Yet they continue on without listening to the concerns of the people who pay the bills. But why should they? Hell - we're dumb enough to keep supporting them by watching the games, going to the ballpark in record numbers, buying jerseys and other crap from them. Why should they change when we, the fans, refuse to?
There was a HORRIBLE article on HK in Philadelphia Magazine a month or so ago. Said that Philly fans UNFAIRLY don't like Wheeler because he's gunning for harry's job.
Yeah. THAT'S why we dont' like him.
fargtard.
Here's the quote:
QuoteIt's also a result of his public falling-out with on-air sidekick Chris Wheeler in 2004. The upshot: Wheeler was branded as a schemer gunning for Kalas's job. Unfair as that was, Wheeler's popularity plummeted, and a lesson was learned: Players and managers may come and go, but Harry is untouchable.
Yup, again, that's why Wheeler's popularity plummeted.
When did Wheels ever HAVE popularity? ::)
He's been a pedantic jackass since his days on PRISM but that's never stopped the Phillies from putting him on the air night after night for almost 30 years.
BTW - I love this site: http://www.chriswheelerglossary.com/ :-D
unless i missed it i cant believe they dont have "he turned the wind around on that one"
Same guys behind Cole Hamels Facts did that. The Wheeler one is much funnier.
They really, really suck.
Cole Hamels is definitely not going to sign long-term with the Phils.
From ESPN's Rumblings:
"Then there's Eric Gagne. A team trading for him could owe him close to $6 million for the rest of the year, between his salary and games-finished incentives. The only big-market contenders his contract allows him to get traded to are the Red Sox, Angels and Yankees. And he won't waive his no-trade to go anywhere else unless he becomes the closer, because it could cost him millions of dollars in incentives. So what contenders could even consider making him their closer? Possibly the Phillies or Cubs. Maybe the Braves. But that's about it. And those teams have other reasons not to deal for him. So the Rangers are facing a very limited market."
I would love to see the Phils get Gagne and move Myers back to the rotation.
Getting Gagne and returning Myers to the rotation makes perfect sense.
Therefore, no way it happens. Ever.
I'd rather see the Phils go after Joe Nathan, whom, according to Yahoo Rumors, is available. Apparently the Twins are trying to get rid of his contract to free up money for a new contract for Santana.
Of course this will never happen and it is only a rumor but no "big market" team that is in contention needs a closer outside of the Cubs, so why not?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 20, 2007, 10:24:07 AM
Getting Gagne and returning Myers to the rotation makes perfect sense.
Therefore, no way it happens. Ever.
A 31 year old power pitcher who hasn't pitched an entire season in about 4 years?
Yeah...sign him up. Leiber, Gordon, and Myers need a 4th for their DL Poker game,
I don't think I want them to get anyone. Seriously.
Is an extra BP arm going to really help? It may. And that is only if Gordon can piecemeal his torn labrum together for the rest of the year as a set up guy to Myers, and he has to be healthy too.
Is a Kyle Lohse type guy going to make a difference? As a 5th starter, yes. Then you put Real Deal Durbin in the pen and send Clay Condrey to the grave.
But the problem I have, as Hagen points out today (or was it Salisbury, I cant recall), teams are asking for a TON in return for even marginal pitching.
The White Sox asked the Rockies for the top two prospect for JOSE CONTRERAS. Crazy.
The same article discusses them dealing Mike Bourn. Call me crazy, but I DO NOT want them trading Bourn. So if it means not getting a Kyle Lohse or some slop-armed bullpen hack so be it. This team ain't doing shtein anyways. No reason to deplete the farm system any more than it already is.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 20, 2007, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 20, 2007, 10:24:07 AM
Getting Gagne and returning Myers to the rotation makes perfect sense.
Therefore, no way it happens. Ever.
A 31 year old power pitcher who hasn't pitched an entire season in about 4 years?
Yeah...sign him up. Leiber, Gordon, and Myers need a 4th for their DL Poker game,
How's he pitching now, genius?
they are gonna need bourn for next year after the yankees sign rowand in the offseason
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 20, 2007, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 20, 2007, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 20, 2007, 10:24:07 AM
Getting Gagne and returning Myers to the rotation makes perfect sense.
Therefore, no way it happens. Ever.
A 31 year old power pitcher who hasn't pitched an entire season in about 4 years?
Yeah...sign him up. Leiber, Gordon, and Myers need a 4th for their DL Poker game,
How's he pitching now, genius?
I don't care how he is pitching right now.
He's a closer on a bad team. Do you know how many times he's pitched a full inning on back to back days? Three times. And once he gave up 2 runs on day two. A team in contention (which the phillies wont be) needs a guy that can throw 4 of 6 days. Gagne is not that guy, especially in what the Rangers are asking for him.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 20, 2007, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 20, 2007, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 20, 2007, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 20, 2007, 10:24:07 AM
Getting Gagne and returning Myers to the rotation makes perfect sense.
Therefore, no way it happens. Ever.
A 31 year old power pitcher who hasn't pitched an entire season in about 4 years?
Yeah...sign him up. Leiber, Gordon, and Myers need a 4th for their DL Poker game,
How's he pitching now, genius?
I don't care how he is pitching right now.
He's a closer on a bad team. Do you know how many times he's pitched a full inning on back to back days? Three times. And once he gave up 2 runs on day two. A team in contention (which the phillies wont be) needs a guy that can throw 4 of 6 days. Gagne is not that guy, especially in what the Rangers are asking for him.
What do you think the Rangers would want for him? Victorino? Is Victorino really not worth a closer? I guess it depends on if the Phillies think they have any shot at all. If not, just try to move Rowand for a prospect.
I submitted a "fact" to Cole Hamels Facts and they posted it:
QuoteIf Cole Hamels was a pit bull he'd be indicted for making Michael Vick fight.
It's #10 on the newest 20 list.
victorino for gagne would be beyond moronic and im not a huge victorino fan
the phils would be making a huge mistake if at the deadline they are anything but sellers
I wouldn't trade Victorino for anyone other than a top flight pitching prospect and Gagne doesn't fit that bill.
Gagne is pitching like his old self again in Texas, though, and he would certainly be better than anyone the Phillies have, especially if acquiring him meant that Myers would be moved back to the rotation where he belongs.
even with a closer the phillies arent good enough to make the playoffs...and ill believe myers will be healthy again this year when i see it...it certainly doesnt make me wanna be a buyer at the deadline
the closer position on this team is so overrated right now...everyone acts like they have had a hundred blown saves this year...the problem is they cant even get to the closer when they need to...the starters suck and dont go deep which means a longer road the middle relievers have to travel to get to the 9th inning
the phillies are done...get what you can for rowand and move onto to another .500 season next year
Who gives a shtein if the season's over or not? If they can improve the ballclub by signing a first-rate reliever and move Myers back to where he belongs, then they should do so. If they can trade for a front-line starter and not give up the farm, then they should do so.
Just because the 2007 season might be over that's no reason to stop trying to improve the team. I mean, I don't mind reading negative shtein about this team because they've definitely deserved it. But giving up on this season and NEXT season is ridiculous, IGY. That's defeatism at its worst in my opinion.
If they can trade for a front-line starter and not give up the farm, then they should do so.
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2007, 01:47:47 PMthe phillies are done...get what you can for rowand and move onto to another .500 season next year
fact
Losing Bourn would not deplete our farm system at all, mainly because he sucks.
I wouldn't say he sucks, rather, he's just not very good.
any one watching tonight? sure is quiet. Padre announcers are driving me nuts. Love Tony Gwynn but his voice is so fricken high. i think he is just a guest as this is Tony Gwynn weekend in San Diego. Don't know who the other clown is. Last night Matt Vasgersian was in the booth. He's the voice of MLB The Show. He is actually pretty good.
now the geeks are talking about the over exaggerated booing santa clause story. enough already.
I'm watching, too, Don. Talked about Utley's "beautiful" glove. :-D
are you getting the padres broadcast? homer central. big shock to the system after vin scully.
nice!
any audible sound > listening to wheeler for 9 innings
i win
Quote from: MDS on July 20, 2007, 11:54:31 PM
any audible sound > listening to wheeler for 9 innings
i win
:-D :-D :-D
barajas $%&*%$#&*!
eaton, 102 pitches in 6 1/3. ouch.
ok, that's it I am done.
pathetic doesn't even begin to describe romero.
milton bradley going to have a meltdown now? attack some fans in the stands.
that one padre announcer kept saying he wanted to see bradley at the plate. well, he got it.
Somehow Utley doesn't even look like he's swinging hard. He just has that sweet lefty swing.
I hate west coast games.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 21, 2007, 10:47:42 AM
I hate west coast games.
farging A.
Also, good hustle Don Ho (you need to be in love with John from Cincinnati because you are from Hawaii).
I was already drunk as hell when the game started last night. Then the game lasted four-plus hours.
Awful.
I was trying to watch the game at the bar until my friends gave me a ton of shtein for watching baseball over drunk ugly chicks. So I just got real wasted instead. I was pleasantly surprised when I woke up.
Now Kyle Drabek needs Tommy John surgery. yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 21, 2007, 05:24:17 PM
Now Kyle Drabek needs Tommy John surgery. yay
It never ends.
How was he doing prior to the injury Ed? Did he even project well as a pitcher or better as a SS?
He hasn't pitched since May and had no velocity in April. I think all the starts and playoffs and tournaments in high school wore out his arm...
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 21, 2007, 05:24:17 PM
Now Kyle Drabek needs Tommy John surgery. yay
Shocking that a Phillies pitching prospect would come up lame. Shocking, I say.
Considering they'll probably trade Carlos Corassco for Matt Morris, the farm system is looking pretty good.
Please sign Ryan Howard long term. He missed two weeks and still has 27 homers.
Quote from: Munson on July 21, 2007, 11:24:37 PM
Please sign Ryan Howard long term. He missed two weeks and still has 27 homers.
2 whole weeks :o
Howard is pretty good these days. Hell, Wes Helms even hit a homerun. World Series!!
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 21, 2007, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: Munson on July 21, 2007, 11:24:37 PM
Please sign Ryan Howard long term. He missed two weeks and still has 27 homers.
2 whole weeks :o
I'm more impressed that he's up to 27 HR / 78 RBI /.272 after his horrendous April.
And, yes, sign him now, please.
The black Adam Dunn has two home runs, a single and five runs batted in tonight and it's only the fifth inning.
He now has more rbi's than games played.
Amazing.
He's not Burrell, sign him
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 21, 2007, 11:48:19 PM
The black Adam Dunn has two home runs, a single and five runs batted in tonight and it's only the fifth inning.
He now has more rbi's than games played.
Amazing.
Adam Dunn wishes he could hit like Ryan Howard.
Howard is going to kill someone with a line drive before he's done.
Geo.
You heard me gripe about this last night, but wheels or no wheels this padre group of announcers makes me sick. HOMERS. Tony Gwynn is actually not bad but the other dork is sickening. Did you here him on Bradley's triple with his "C'mon!"? Send down Vince Scully.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 22, 2007, 12:00:48 AM
Geo.
You heard me gripe about this last night, but wheels or no wheels this padre group of announcers makes me sick. HOMERS. Tony Gwynn is actually not bad but the other dork is sickening. Did you here him on Bradley's triple with his "C'mon!"? Send down Vince Scully.
He's a wanna-be Ron Santo. You'd think Santo was still playing, or at least in the bleachers with a big beer, cheering on the Cubbies. He's entertaining.
But, yeah, these guys are annoying. Not Braves-announcers annoying (or Wheels-annoying), but annoying.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 22, 2007, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on July 22, 2007, 12:00:48 AM
Geo.
You heard me gripe about this last night, but wheels or no wheels this padre group of announcers makes me sick. HOMERS. Tony Gwynn is actually not bad but the other dork is sickening. Did you here him on Bradley's triple with his "C'mon!"? Send down Vince Scully.
He's a wanna-be Ron Santo. You'd think Santo was still playing, or at least in the bleachers with a big beer, cheering on the Cubbies. He's entertaining.
But, yeah, these guys are annoying. Not Braves-announcers annoying (or Wheels-annoying), but annoying.
I am so glad you brought up the brave announcers. my dad is a huge braves fan and he always makes fun of those goons. He'll call me and say things like "We're coming back" or "Chipper just got us another run" mocking the TBS crew.
All said and done, Petco does look like a cool place. I just missed the Phillies last July. I had a meeeting in San Diego about three blocks from Petco but it was during All-Star week. Phils were in town the following week.
Whenever I was to annoy my wife I do a Skip Carey impression. I've actually gotten her to throw shtein at me to make me stop.
Also - regarding the Padres announcers, that last 1/2 inning was a doozie. Burrell smoked one off the pitchers glove, Greene happen to be standing behind him, caught it, flipped it to the second baseman who then doubled off Burrell with a throw to first.
It was an above average play but the reaction of the pbp idiot was ridiculously overboard. Gwynn is pretty awful as a color guy as well.
gwynn talks like he just took a hit of helium.
here comes mesa! and there goes don ho!
Ahhh... Joe Table does it again! :D
So, what's the over/under for Tom Godorn appearances before his arm falls off and actually goes under the knife?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 22, 2007, 12:46:38 AM
So, what's the over/under for Tom Godorn appearances before his arm falls off and actually goes under the knife?
just waiting for that.
nice 1-2-3 there flash!
Also, did anyone else not realize how close Utley is to leading the league in hitting? He's at .340 as we speak. Chipper Jones is at .346.
Did Victorino pop a hammy?
Never mind. He looks fine. 8)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 22, 2007, 12:52:10 AM
Did Victorino pop a hammy?
Never mind. He looks fine. 8)
don't scare me like that. just walked back up stairs and saw victorino standing on third. score! good.
Manuel needs to give Bourn the Willie Mays Hays rule. Every time he hits the ball in the air, I want to see him on the ground doing 10 pushups.
Bwahahahaha!
I just heard an Eagles chant.
:-D
Nice to see the Phils putting their feet on the throats of the Padres.
BTW, is Peavy starting tomorrow?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 22, 2007, 12:57:34 AM
Manuel needs to give Bourn the Willie Mays Hays rule. Every time he hits the ball in the air, I want to see him on the ground doing 10 pushups.
well, we've got a few that run like Tom Berringer's character - Barajas, Helms, Burrell.
San Diego and Los Angeles seem to be a havens for East Coasters. Whenever the NY, Boston and Philly teams play out there, it's usually plenty full of their fans. Good times.
ayyhhrrrigghhttttt!
now I can go out and enjoy dinner tonight. get to bed geo.
Quote from: MDS on July 22, 2007, 01:01:57 AM
San Diego and Los Angeles seem to be a havens for East Coasters. Whenever the NY, Boston and Philly teams play out there, it's usually plenty full of their fans. Good times.
very true. i recall the birds playing out there about 15 years ago and the place was packed with eagles fans.
It sounds like there's a ton of Phillies fans in the stadium. The Eagles chants are hilarious, though.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 22, 2007, 01:02:08 AM
ayyhhrrrigghhttttt!
now I can go out and enjoy dinner tonight. get to bed geo.
:-D I don't know. Manuel sent Condrey out to pitch the ninth. He must want to give the Padres a fighting chance.
Phils win 12-4.
Condrey had two long fly-ball outs that would have been no-doubt-about-it dingers in Philly.
I did enjoy watching him strike out Milton Bradley, though. Bradley was going for the cycle, struck out, and then threw his bat like a six year-old. Too funny. What a farging fruitcake that dude is.
I'd still rather have him in left than Burrell.
Bradley's garbage, MDS. Check out his career stats. He's on his fifth career major league team and he's only played one full season in all that time. Plus he's a head case.
No thanks.
Better average + equal OBP to Burrell + same name as a farging board game company = rather have him than Pat
Well yea, he's a crazy. But we're talking about Burrell here.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 22, 2007, 01:00:07 AM
Bwahahahaha!
I just heard an Eagles chant.
:-D
haha
was this true?
Sure was. Go to the archive on MLB.TV and listen to the ninth inning after they blew the game open.
E-A-G-L-E-S!
Excellent.
It's at the 3:18:24 mark of the broadcast.
where do i go once im on mlb.tv
how do i find the phils game from last night
Click on the MLB.TV link. The game will automatically start. You can fast-forward the broadcast by left-clicking the line with the moving dot all the way through to the ninth inning. Either that or click on the show linescore button and then click the top of the ninth inning and the video will advance to that point.
thanks romey...never knew you there was access to games already played
lol @ peavy vs durbin
Rollins goes yard, Phils up 1-0 in the 3rd.
J-Roll goes yard. 1-0 Phils.
The Padres announcers (minus Gwynn) whines about Utley and Howard standing "out of the batter's box" for five solid minutes.
Howard just hit perhaps the hardest ball of the series, but it had too much topspin and was a double. There was fan interference, but Utley was still allowed to score from first by umpire's discretion (good call, Utley would have easily scored), prompting more whining from the Padres' crew.
You watching again, Don Ho?
Phils up 2-0, bottom 3rd.
Durbin isn't pitching badly, but he is getting the benefit of a generous umpire.
Nice stab by Utley there to end the inning.
Rollins triples and scores on a Texas-League double by Victorino.
Phils up 3-0.
Howard hits a sac-fly to score the Happy Hawaiian. 4-0 Phightins.
And they're still going on about the batter's box
"If a ball is two inches foul, it's still foul, right? If the foot is two inches outside the box, it's still outside the box!"
:-D
Barrett says "farg you" the ump and gets tossed. Haaaa.
Apparently Michael Barret's anger management therapy isn't going too well. He just got thrown out of the game after arguing a strike-three call at the plate. He was... pretty demonstrative. Threw his bat down after getting the ejection. What's that getting him nowadays - 2 games?
Bud Black (Padres manager) was just given the rest of the day off as well.
Can't help the Padres to have a crappy offense and 2 nutcases on their team. They have a great pitching staff that might just go to waste.
Five scoreless innings for the Phils' new staff ace, J.D. Durbin.
To be fair, I have to mention that Burrell's getting himself out of the big hole he was in, as well. He's up to .236 now.
And, after a hit to start the 6th, Bourn is sent in to pinch-run.
is anyone else besides geo getting the full brunt of these announcers and the batters box thing...its truly incredible the way they have acted this game
Bourn with a triple, scores on a Coste chopper to the mound (even though the pitcher threw home first, the Padres still got Coste at first).
Durbin bats and hits a two-out double.
5-0 Phils.
After pitching around Rollins for the second time, Victorino hits a two-out double to score two.
7-0 Phils.
Think they'll let Durbin go for the CG since they are up 7 runs?
Utley and Howard are walked, Rowand singles in two more. 9-0.
impressive road trip for the losers
to bad it will get them nowhere
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 22, 2007, 06:00:06 PM
is anyone else besides geo getting the full brunt of these announcers and the batters box thing...its truly incredible the way they have acted this game
I am. the whole series. I'm getting ready to mail them a box of kleenex. I guess they have to divert their team's offensive woes on something.
New Staff Ace Durbin eight strong now, still 9-0.
The only thing that would keep Manuel from letting Durbin go the ninth would be worries about pinch count. From the Yahoo boxscore, he's only thrown 95, so I would guess Uncle Cholly sends him out for the ninth.
Durbin's batting now, so he's a go for the ninth.
Also, Howard went 2-for-2 with 2 RBI and 2 walks. Average up to .279, hitting over .360 for the month (.359 coming into today).
If LA can hang on, your Phillies would be only 4 games out in the East, and 3.5 in the wild card. Feel the mediocrity.
Durbin gets the 5-hit shutout, though the Phils' defense didn't make it easy.
Durbin's shutout lowered his ERA to 5.76!
9-0 final, Durbin goes the distance.
I am. the whole series. I'm getting ready to mail them a box of kleenex. I guess they have to divert their team's offensive woes on something.
the one cat actually said that they need to send a video of the game to the comissioners office
If LA can hang on, your Phillies would be only 4 games out in the East, and 3.5 in the wild card
mets are about to tie it and win in extra innings
correction
mets about to win it in the ninth
i, for one, am happy that i was able to witness the beginning of the J.D. Durbin era
Games like today make sitting through their bumbling 1-run losses even more infuriating.
Eaton gives up 2 ER in 5.2 IP, gets the win.
Moyer gives up 4 in 6.2, gets the win.
Durbin shuts out the Padres.
The only pitcher that didn't get a win was Hamels, and he pitched well enough to win (1 IP in 7 IP).
Phillies starting pitching collectively went 28.3 innings with 7 earned runs, for an ERA of 2.22.
Point? The Padres' offense sucks! :D
Bums own the Padres, not sure of the exact stats but I don't think they've lost a series to them in quite some time (last 5-10 years or something like that).
FYI their new stadium sucks.
Sarge made some good observations about Durbin, he's not flailing on his delivery and instead keeping everything in tight. Also, what I think is the biggest factor is he's taking a lot more time between pitches. Doubt he's able to keep this up but who knows maybe they corrected his weakness and he'll be able to keep them in some games.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 22, 2007, 07:24:37 PMBums own the Padres, not sure of the exact stats but I don't think they've lost a series to them in quite some time (last 5-10 years or something like that).
San Diego won both series last year
Mets have a 5-4 lead, bottom of the 10th
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 22, 2007, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 22, 2007, 07:24:37 PMBums own the Padres, not sure of the exact stats but I don't think they've lost a series to them in quite some time (last 5-10 years or something like that).
San Diego won both series last year
Mets have a 5-4 lead, bottom of the 10th
what do I know
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 22, 2007, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 22, 2007, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 22, 2007, 07:24:37 PMBums own the Padres, not sure of the exact stats but I don't think they've lost a series to them in quite some time (last 5-10 years or something like that).
San Diego won both series last year
Mets have a 5-4 lead, bottom of the 10th
what do I know
Obvioiusly not as much as Ed, he knows Stuff
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 22, 2007, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 22, 2007, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 22, 2007, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 22, 2007, 07:24:37 PMBums own the Padres, not sure of the exact stats but I don't think they've lost a series to them in quite some time (last 5-10 years or something like that).
San Diego won both series last year
Mets have a 5-4 lead, bottom of the 10th
what do I know
Obvioiusly not as much as Ed, he knows Stuff
I saw them lose series firsthand in SD over the last 5-10 years so I have no idea what I was thinking. Must be the beer talking.
Mets hold on to win 5-4 and take 3/4 from the Dodgers, so the Phils made up no ground on the Mets this week. If the Cards win tonight, the Phils will make up 2 games on Atlanta. They're also only 3.5 out of the wildcard.
Nats and Pirates this week
A good team would lose 1 game tops to those team. The Phillies will be lucky to win 3.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 22, 2007, 07:48:28 PMI saw them lose series firsthand in SD over the last 5-10 years
You're right....they've usually beaten the Padres since Bowa took over in 2001.
2007 - TBD at home,
3/4 at San Diego2006 - 1/3 at home, 1/3 at San Diego
2005 - 3/3 at home, 3/3 at San Diego2004 - 2/3 at home, 3/3 at San Diego2003 - 2/4 at home,
2/3 at San Diego2002 - 1/3 at home, 1/3 at San Diego
2001 - 2/3 at home, 3/4 at San Diego
maybe that's what I was recalling. Thanks for the redemption easy
Quote from: MDS on July 22, 2007, 08:02:08 PM
A good team would lose 1 game tops to those team. The Phillies will be lucky to win 3.
pretty much
i havent looked at the rotation but the nationals in particular have the kind of sneaky good pitchers that will shut down the phils offense
i say 2 of 3 from shteinsburgh and lose 2 vs wash
TUE = Kendrick vs Jason Bergmann
WED = Hamels vs Matt Chico
THU (day) = Eaton vs Mike Bacsik
FRI = Moyer vs John Van Benschoten
SAT = Durbin vs Shane Youman
SUN = Kendrick vs Ian Snell
Unless Snell is moved up to Saturday, the Phils will avoid Tom Gorzelanny
They might get Myers back for the homestand, which would be nice. And Gordon's arm hasn't fallen off yet. So that's a plus.
playoffs?
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 22, 2007, 08:29:24 PM
Unless Snell is moved up to Saturday, the Phils will avoid Tom Gorzelanny
seek help
I missed the game today and was a little surprised to hear Real Deal pitched so well. But then again, he threw well he last two times before this so maybe they found a little something with him. Who knows.
That TBD must be one heck of a pitcher.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 22, 2007, 09:43:17 PM
That TBD must be one heck of a pitcher.
He's not as good as PTBNL, but he's not bad.
phillies.com
QuoteHis epiphany came while shagging flies in the outfield, at some point between his June 29 disaster start against the Mets and his Tuesday outing in Los Angeles. Veteran Jamie Moyer pulled him aside and reminded him to not be in such a hurry.
"He told me that I control the game," Durbin said. "He said the bus doesn't leave until you're done pitching. I took that to heart and was thinking about it. I'm not trying to throw the ball every two seconds. It almost seems too easy. Slowing the game down is ultimately how you control it."
Cy Durbin
Quote from: SunMo on July 23, 2007, 09:14:22 AM
phillies.com
QuoteHis epiphany came while shagging flies in the outfield, at some point between his June 29 disaster start against the Mets and his Tuesday outing in Los Angeles. Veteran Jamie Moyer pulled him aside and reminded him to not be in such a hurry.
"He told me that I control the game," Durbin said. "He said the bus doesn't leave until you're done pitching. I took that to heart and was thinking about it. I'm not trying to throw the ball every two seconds. It almost seems too easy. Slowing the game down is ultimately how you control it."
Cy Durbin
Moyer's teaching has been amazing. The guy just continues to help the younger guys who are willing to listen.
ACE.
QuoteFrom the sound of it, activating Myers will be the Phillies' big trade-deadline move
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Howard appears to have been restored
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
SAN DIEGO - It's feast or famine, but when they're feasting, they gorge.
The Phillies scored 66 runs in their six wins since the All-Star break. They put up 15, seven, 12 and nine runs in their four wins on their West Coast road trip against the Padres and the Dodgers, who had the two best pitching staffs in baseball when the Phils' trip began.
Not surprisingly, reigning National League MVP Ryan Howard is in the middle of it.
Howard's handlers hoped he would catch fire in the second half of this season, as he did in his Rookie of the Year surge in 2005 and in his MVP run last year.
He went 9-for-26 with four homers in his first six games coming off the break, and they were cautiously optimistic.
Then, on Thursday, Howard took three walks from Cy Young Award candidate Chris Young. Their eyes got big.
In the next three games Howard went 7-for-9 with eight RBI and two homers, both Saturday, off lefty David Wells.
Howard was named the NL Player of the Week for what he did from July 16-22: 11-for-22, leading the league with five homers, 13 RBI, 10 walks, a 1.227 slugging percentage and a .636 on-base percentage.
Color the Phillies excited. Howard finally seems to have regained his MVP form.
"He looks a lot better at the plate," said Chase Utley, the Phillies' offensive MVP to date. "He looks a lot more comfortable. Yeah, I think he's got it back."
"It" is the form that pushed him to the NL MVP award behind a team-record 58 homers, 149 RBI and a .313 average.
He stands at .279, with 27 homers and 81 RBI. He's getting hotter all the time.
Howard - consistently ultraself-critical - pointed to a natural progression of improved health. He spent 2 weeks in May on the 15-day disabled list recovering from a strained left thigh suffered early in spring training. That break, combined with the 4 days of light work during the All-Star break - he participated in the Home Run Derby - explains his finally finding a comfort zone.
Besides, he didn't want to push things.
"This was the first time I'd ever been on the DL," Howard said. "When you come back, you don't want to rush everything. You don't want to try to make up for everything you've missed."
He was hitting .204 with six homers and 23 RBI when he landed on the DL.
He's hitting .318 with 21 homers and 58 RBI since.
He's at .379 with eight homers and 24 RBI in July.
Thursday was the first time he took three nonintentional walks in a game. Howard saw 28 pitches from Young. Earlier this season, Howard would not have shown that sort of patience.
"Sometimes, you try to do too much," hitting coach Milt Thompson said. "A lot of teams are not going to let him beat them. Chris Young was not going to let Ryan beat him."
And Howard wasn't going to beat himself.
"That shows you he's seeing the ball real good," manager Charlie Manuel said. "When he's seeing the ball good, that's what happens."
What happens is the ball gets deeper into Howard's hitting zone, and he crushes it. His homers Saturday went to centerfield and left-center at Petco Park, the league's stingiest home run park this season.
He also singled to right-centerfield in the fifth, a two-run hit that ended Wells' day and proved – especially to Howard – that his hands are quick enough to pull pitches, even against lefties.
"That single to right-center was as good an at-bat as his home runs," Manuel said.
"It definitely helps the confidence," Howard said. "The biggest thing for me, this season, is to have good at-bats. One leads to two good at-bats. Then, two good games."
Then, say, 74 in a row? The Phillies sat at .500 at the All-Star break with 74 games left, the playoffs still within reach. They hoped for pitching help, they hoped for a healthier bullpen and they prayed Howard would heat up, again.
"He's a notorious second-half player," Thompson observed, and he's right. Howard is a .328 hitter with 49 homers and 130 RBI after the break the last 2 years.
Both years, he anchored a run toward the playoffs. He's 16-for-36 with six homers, 14 RBI since the break, and the Phillies have won six of 10. He might have to keep carrying them.
Despite recent proficiency from their pitching staff, the Phillies are counting on the likes of Jose Mesa and J.C. Romero to bolster their bullpen, with waivers expert J.D. Durbin and Double A call-up Kyle Kendrick in the back of their rotation.
Manuel figures the Phillies will need at least 90 wins to make the playoffs. That means a 40-24 record the rest of the way.
"If you do the math, you see we've got to go like hell," Manuel said. "We've got to score like hell."
Finally, Howard appears ready to do his part.
"It's a good feeling," he said. "Right now, you want stuff to start clicking. To make that push." *
Chokedog what?
Wow. I figured there was no way in hell they'd make the playoffs. The homer in me held out hope however, but after reading those bits from Manuel, the homer in me just OD'd on Xanex.
yeah the dog has been on fire lately
but let me assure you under no circumstances will this team make the playoffs...dont even do it to yourself (again)
But, but... Brett Myers is coming back!
Training camp on Friday...that will make the no playoffs somewhat easier to digest.
And by no means do I want them trading for a pitcher. Like I said last week - it would make zero sense to overpay for some scrub bitch like Kyle Lohse or whatever other AAAA level pitcher would cost them at least Mike Bourn.
wheels once again tripping over his clit to rush to defend the phillies and once again Sarge destroying him
Jimmy Rollins = Bud Light
wheeler is insufferable. kendrick slows some slop up there and schneider, who sucks, crushes it for a bases clearing double. but wait, little kyle made a tiny mistake, and big bad brian is just too good and he kills the phillies. id rather listen to sd talk about star wars for 3 hours.
3-2 Expositionals.
I hate farging Chris Wheeler. No matter how farging bad the opposing team's announcers are they're better than that baldheaded corksucker.
DIE.
Stop reading my thoughts, ass.
and big bad brian is just too good and he kills the phillies
thats his MO...phils never make a mistake the other team somehow pulls off the play of the decade...
oh i no. just did it again. dobbs hard base hit into the hole, burrell doesnt go 1st to 3rd because of the amazing arm kearns has, not because burrell is slower than my dead grandfather.
im so glad i have the nats announcers for this series
ruiz is now chooch. i hate wheels.
Quote from: MDS on July 24, 2007, 08:39:46 PM
ruiz is now chooch. i hate wheels.
through the power of IM, i already called this to IGY
i want your IM. and your cell. and your address. and your social security number. more sun mo. more.
His IM is TheWireSucks
can you idiots get anymore white?
calm down hooknose
Rowand goes yard. 4-3 Phils.
Utley with the WebGem saving a 1st and 3rd with no outs. Damn good play.
Why am I not feeling confident? :-\
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 24, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
Why am I not feeling confident? :-\
Because you're a nancyboy. Sack up, fruitcake.
Phils win 4-3.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 24, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
Why am I not feeling confident? :-\
Because Ryan Howard had to make a play to win the game.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 24, 2007, 10:00:36 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 24, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
Why am I not feeling confident? :-\
Because you're a nancyboy. Sack up, fruitcake.
Phils win 4-3.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... do my job for a week and you'll be soiling your depends, old man.
(Not a July week, though... it's pretty easy then!) :D
And Chase Utley made a hell of a play in the 9th to help keep Alfonseca from blowing the save.
World Series here we come. A 1 run squeaker against the Nats. Woooooo
Any chance they try to sign Rowand to a deal and try to move Burrell in the off-season? Even just keep Pat next year for the last year of his contract? I could deal with a Vic-Bourn-Rowand outfield with Pat playing occasionally. I know it's not big power but we make up for it elsewhere. Especially if we get a decent 3B next year.
Also, I watched Happ get absolutely shelled last night. Don't look for him to be called up anytime soon.
They should try to re-sign Rowand. He's obviously proven that he is a very good player and they'd be stupid to let him walk. And they are stupid so we know what will happen.
I absolutely do NOT want them trading Bourn. People get so worked up because a Bourn-Rowand-Victorino OF is not a prototypical power producing OF. But who cares? This team hits with Burrell, Helms and Barajas soiling the line-up. So st least getting Pat out of there would allow Bourn to hit at the top of the line-up and cause hell with his speed. He's like that bitchass Reyes who gets a walk and it might as well be a double because he's stealing 2nd ASAFP.
They get 20+ HRs from the SS, they get 20-30 from 2B and 40+ from "CHOKEDOG". Rowand is good for 15 at least and Victorino is a 10+ guy. That is enough.
they need like four starting pitchers and thell be fine
Burrell is a phillie next year. Get used to it.
No one wants him + No trade clause = Burrell sticks around.
I agree, by the trade deadline, Rowand should be signed long term, or traded for a AA or AAA just-about-ready solid pitching prospect.
They should also trade either victorino or bourne for more pitching. An outfield of Burrell - Rowand - Victorino/Bourn is fine for playing half the game at CBP.
They've had a top flight offense (in total numbers) for a few years now. They need pitching for next year and beyond, they don't need 3 above average to average centerfielders.
i could be wrong but i cant see rowand settling for a solo phils offer in august which will undoubtedly be lower than he can get from the yankees his beloved white sox or someone like the dodgers in an open market bidding war
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2007, 11:36:04 AM
i could be wrong but i cant see rowand settling for a solo phils offer in august which will undoubtedly be lower than he can get from the yankees his beloved white sox or someone like the dodgers in an open market bidding war
Exactly. Which is why they should trade him to a true contender now, so they can get something for him if he wont accept an offer from the phils before then.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 25, 2007, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2007, 11:36:04 AM
i could be wrong but i cant see rowand settling for a solo phils offer in august which will undoubtedly be lower than he can get from the yankees his beloved white sox or someone like the dodgers in an open market bidding war
Exactly. Which is why they should trade him to a true contender now, so they can get something for him if he wont accept an offer from the phils before then.
I'd rather make a run, offer a long-term contract or arbitration and get comp picks if he goes elsewhere.
You're Ruben Amaro Jr, arent you?
I'd rather make a run
that funnee
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2007, 11:36:04 AM
i could be wrong but i cant see rowand settling for a solo phils offer in august which will undoubtedly be lower than he can get from the yankees his beloved white sox or someone like the dodgers in an open market bidding war
He said last night that he's not worrying about contracts or trades or anything right now. I think the Phils will consider re-signing him at the end of the season, but remember that Rowand will be in a market that will also include Torii Hunter, Andruw Jones, Eric Byrnes and possibly F
ukudome from Japan. I'm not saying he'll be back, but he's not the only option out there for other teams...
fargudome what?
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 25, 2007, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2007, 11:36:04 AM
i could be wrong but i cant see rowand settling for a solo phils offer in august which will undoubtedly be lower than he can get from the yankees his beloved white sox or someone like the dodgers in an open market bidding war
He said last night that he's not worrying about contracts or trades or anything right now. I think the Phils will consider re-signing him at the end of the season, but remember that Rowand will be in a market that will also include Torii Hunter, Andruw Jones, Eric Byrnes and possibly Fukudome from Japan. I'm not saying he'll be back, but he's not the only option out there for other teams...
Whoever gets that dude from Japan, im getting that jersey. Thats the best name i've ever een in sports
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Time is growing short for Gillick in his quest for pitching help.
By Jim Salisbury
Inquirer Columnist
Last year at the trade deadline, the Phillies added by subtracting. Somehow, they gave up (actually, gave away) one of the most gifted offensive players in franchise history in Bobby Abreu and got better for it.
This year, the Phils can't bank on improving by tinkering with the chemistry and intangible makeup of their club.
They need to go out and get a couple of pitchers. They have six days to do it. Tick. Tick. Tick.
The Phils could make one of the most significant July upgrades in baseball if Brett Myers can make a healthy return to the bullpen this weekend.
That would mean the Phils would still need another pitcher to help improve a staff that carried the worst ERA in the National League into the start of an important six-game homestand last night.
The Phils would take any competent pitcher they could get. But getting a starter appears to be the priority.
"We'd like to get better at the back end," general manager Pat Gillick said, referring to the rotation.
So, of course, would just about every other contending team, including the two in front of the Phillies - the Mets and Atlanta. The need for pitching is so great that the sellers are demanding huge ransoms from the teams looking for help.
This puts the Phillies in a tough situation. They don't have much young, major-league or close to major-league-ready talent to dangle in front of other teams. And what they do have (Shane Victorino, Michael Bourn, Carlos Carrasco) can't just be given away for something that isn't going to be a clear upgrade of what they already have.
Victorino, Bourn and Carrasco are the kind of young, inexpensive talent that teams are asking for. It's highly doubtful the Phils would trade Victorino, because he's so important to this team and could have an even greater impact next year, when he could be in center field. Carrasco, a Reading righthander who could be holding down a job in the rotation within a year, isn't going anywhere.
That probably leaves Bourn as the Phils' best trade chip, but they won't part with him without a difference-making return.
"If we give up something from our future, we'd want to get something back that was going to be around for a couple of years, '08 and '09," Gillick said. "It makes no sense to give away our future for two months."
There are pitchers who could be available and would help the Phillies now and in the future. Cincinnati's Bronson Arroyo could be had, but he is owed more than $30 million through 2010. The White Sox would move Jon Garland. (And, yes, Gillick says he'd deal with the White Sox, even after the Freddy Garcia debacle.)
Gillick has spoken with every team looking to move pitching. But in a seller's market, "there's a lot of feeling-out going on," he said. "We might do something, but it might not be an earth-shaker."
Gillick did admit to having more serious talks regarding a pitcher with one team.
"One situation, we're further down the road than others," he said. "We know our parameters and they know ours. That club is in a good position because there's not a lot of pitching out there."
Gillick would not name the other team, though he did say the proposed deal could involve someone from the Phils' 25-man roster. Best guess: Bourn.
Pitching isn't the only area the Phils are trying to upgrade. They'd like to add power to the outfield corners, though Gillick didn't sound optimistic about landing any. The Phils, who lead the NL in runs, can survive with the offense they have. They probably can't with this pitching staff.
"We need consistency from our pitching," manager Charlie Manuel said about a dozen times before last night's game.
Manuel had been making open pleas for pitching help, but has calmed down on that front. Maybe J.D. Durbin's shutout in San Diego on Sunday cooled his jets. Or maybe he was asked to cool them.
"In the situation we have, it's important I stay positive instead of negative," Manuel said.
Hmmm.
Manuel sent Kyle Kendrick to the mound last night against Washington and the rookie pitched well in his eighth big-league start. The Phillies have won six of those starts. Clearly, the 22-year-old righthander has contributed. Durbin, another rookie, has also helped recently, winning two of three starts after landing with his fourth organization this season.
The contributions of Kendrick and Durbin haven't cured this team's need for pitching, though. Manuel might not be publicly pleading for more help, but that league-worst ERA is.
This team has the offense to stick around. But it needs more pitching. Myers will be a nice addition, but the Phils can't stop there. Six days. Tick. Tick. Tick.
I'm on the fence as to whether or not I'd want to see Bourn go for a pitcher, but I think if I had to make the decision, I'd keep him. Even with a solid addition to the rotation, I don't think this team would have want it takes to go deep in the playoffs.
Just having Bourn pitch might upgrade the bullpen.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 25, 2007, 01:59:08 PM
Whoever gets that dude from Japan, im getting that jersey. Thats the best name i've ever een in sports.
Better than Dick Trickle?
Say hello to Kyle Lohse.
Lohse is a FA after this season. Giving up Bourn for Lohse would be bone-headed.
Obviously, Burrell isn't going anywhere. But how sweet would it be if they could unload him for even a marginal pitcher considering all the money that is coming off the books for the Phils at the end of this season. But no GM could be that dumb, unless Wade was recently hired somewhere.
I'm with Phreak, I would love an outfield of Bourn/Rowand/Victorino. A top of the lineup of Victorino, Bourn, and Rollins with Utley and Howard driving them in is boner-inducing.
There haven't been a lot of rumors out there, so it should be interesting to see what happens. But right now, I'm not all for a rent-a-pitcher. The Phils might as well just go with what they have instead of give up Bourn, especially since he is so vital late in games for his defense and has the opportunity to steal a bag anytime he gets on base late in games.
Matt Morris' from the Giants has been tossed around a bunch, Phillies were supposedly scouting him last night in SF. I wouldn't give up Bourn for him.
Agreed on Lohse. Would be a waste.
If all you expect to trade away at the deadline is crap, then all you will get in return is crap.
You want a solid pitcher at the deadline, you are giving away Victorino, Bourn, or (to a much lesser value) Rowand.
And Kyle Loshe sucks.
Joe Kennedy and Josh Towers have been mentioned. From what I've read, I would mind a Kennedy for Bourn swap, he seems like a Ryan Madson type. I know preciesely dick about Towers.
id give away victorino in a cocaine heartbeat if it meant getting a quality pitcher....but one that will be in the rotation next year...thats my big concern...im struggling to see how next years rotation isnt going to be a complete disaster
Quote from: PPinDC on July 25, 2007, 03:54:17 PMI know preciesely dick about Towers.
He's the only pitcher with a single-digit number
There you go....now you know something
Quote from: PPinDC on July 25, 2007, 03:54:17 PM
Joe Kennedy and Josh Towers have been mentioned. From what I've read, I would mind a Kennedy for Bourn swap, he seems like a Ryan Madson type. I know preciesely dick about Towers.
Season and career ERA is in the 4.90s. Don't want him.
Greg Golson was promoted to Reading today
Burrell has been great this month. A little overshadowed by Howard and Utley, but he's been really productive. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Kyle Lohse, Josh Towers, Matt Morris, Joe Kennedy & whatever other shteinbag losers they are scouting are all pieces of garbage.
I would not deal Victorino or Bourn for any of them. And if Gillick does so he should be maimed with a claw-hammer. Everyone wants a difference making pitcher. There aren't any available and even if they were the Phils would have to pay outta the ass because GMs want too much in return.
If they can get someone by stealing them , so be it. Give up Golson or Moran from Reading and maybe get a BP arm. That would be fine. Not going to happen though.
So I hope Gillick stays true to his nickname and Stands Pat.
QuoteGiants: Scouts from the Phillies and Braves were spotted at the Giants game on Tuesday, presumably to check out starting pitcher Matt Morris or reliever Steve Kline. The San Francisco Chronicle reported that the Phillies' trade talks only include Burrell.
Bourn really isn't special. He's a left handed singles hitter who sucks at baserunning. Sure he's fast, but he's expendable. Get off his scrotum because he can run well.
Whatever Billy Beane Jr.
Bourn is going to be good. Off the sack.
by the way - MIL traded for Linebrink and had to give up 3 minor league pitchers
Ha! That would be hilarious if they got rid of Burrell for anything. Just unloading his salary would make things much easier for the Phils in terms of re-signing Rowand if they want to try and being players this off-season for any talent that may be available.
However, Burrell is playing pretty well right now. He walks a lot and has show some pop at the plate as of late. I don't think that's worth keeping him on for another year if the Phils have the opportunity to deal him to a team that would take all or most of his salary though. If Helms continues to play well they can rotate Nunez in there for D at 3rd, and if they could get rid of Burrell I wouldn't mind a Dobbs/Bourn platoon in left field.
But, as the deadline approaches, it seems more and more like the Phils biggest acquisition will be getting Myers back. Which, I think, is still huge if he can continue what he was doing before he went on the DL. There probably isn't anyone on the market that could be had long term that could match the talent Myers has. And if Phreak is right that the only player the Phils are talking about trading is Burrell, then I think the Phils are feeling that they are going to have to win predominantly with what they got.
He might, but he doesn't fit here. Rollins is leading off for the next 5 years. Utley and Howard are 3/4. Do you want another left handed hitter in there, especially one that isn't that good?
Bourn's stock is kind of high now. Get you can for him and pick up a marginal 5th starter that probably won't be too much better than Kyle Kendrick.
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2007, 07:19:41 PM
He might, but he doesn't fit here. Rollins is leading off for the next 5 years. Utley and Howard are 3/4. Do you want another left handed hitter in there, especially one that isn't that good?
Bourn's stock is kind of high now. Get you can for him and pick up a marginal 5th starter that probably won't be too much better than Kyle Kendrick.
Yes, I want him in there.
Rollins - S
Victorino - S
Utley - L
Howard - L
Rowand - R
3B who isn't Helms - R
Bourn - L
Ruiz - R
That could switch up, but whatever. I want Bourn in LF. Or in CF once they show they're too cheap to retain Rowand. Someone on the Phils MB pointed out that Aaron is gonna get paid despite the guys Ed pointed out as being FA's because Garry Matthews Jr got 5/50M last year. Rowand is better than him.
Per MLB.com trade rumors:
QuotePhillies assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. watched prospect Kevin Slowey pitch for Triple-A Rochester on Saturday. The Phillies need an arm, and the Twins may be interested in Pat Burrell. The 30-year-old left fielder started off the season slow, but is batting .404 in July and has 12 home runs this season.
Sounds fine to me. I'd get it done just for salary purposes and to get Dobbs and Bourn some more playing time, regardless of whether Slowey is any good or not.
The Twins would make the Phils pay 75% of that contract...
Meanwhile, Myers made another rehab start tonight in Clearwater. 1 IP, 1 K and an infield single given up
Will it take Bourn playing everyday for you lower middle class dolts to realize that he's mediocre?
Quote from: Eaglez on July 25, 2007, 07:27:21 PM
I'd get it done just for salary purposes and to get Dobbs and Bourn some more playing time, regardless of whether Slowey is any good or not.
Slowey is real good. I was talking to someone here about going to minor league games and how there's no point going to Red Wings games (I live in Rochester) because they're all the Twins' rejects, except maybe two or three. I was looking at their stats about a month and had no idea who this guy was but he had real good numbers, then I saw he was already on the Twins. It would probably be a real good deal for the Fils.
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2007, 08:00:32 PM
Will it take Bourn playing everyday for you lower middle class dolts to realize that he's mediocre?
I don't think he's anything special right now, but I think he can do at least as good of a job as Burrell with more speed and better defense. However, if Ed is right and the Twins would require the Phils to pick up 3/4ths of the remaining K for Burrell, it may not be worth it considering Burrell has been playing much better as of late.
I'd do it if the Phils only had to pick up 1/2. Even then it would be something to think about considering whether Slowey could contribute this season or not.
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2007, 08:00:32 PM
Will it take Bourn playing everyday for you lower middle class dolts to realize that he's mediocre?
Pipe down, Wheels.
Burrell for anyone. Do it.
Then Bourn plays more. Phreak is happy and MDS is proven wrong. Win-win.
i have no idea why mds is even referencing bourns hitting...he doesnt have to be a great hitter to contribute...good obp steal a shteinload of bases...play great d...score a ton of runs and hell be fine...im not even saying he can do that as a full time starter in the majors but to say he cant hit is 1. being clueless cause with about 100 career ab's no one knows right now and 2. its irrelevant
That sounds like a good deal for the phils even if they have to pay Burrells contract.
King Cole is having a tough night so far, only 2 runs though, he's battling.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2007, 09:12:48 PM
i have no idea why mds is even referencing bourns hitting...he doesnt have to be a great hitter to contribute...good obp steal a shteinload of bases...play great d...score a ton of runs and hell be fine...im not even saying he can do that as a full time starter in the majors but to say he cant hit is 1. being clueless cause with about 100 career ab's no one knows right now and 2. its irrelevant
True. And one good thing about Bourn is that in his limited plate appearances he has shown patience and a willingness to walk knowing that he can pretty much steal a bag at will if he wants to. As long as Bourn just gets on base he will give pitchers fits and score a lot of runs. Plus he can track down anything coming his way and can afford to have bad jumps and still make some catches look routine.
Burrell likes to walk now and shows patience; but too bad a cripple can run faster than him.
Cole had a decent night; He went 7 innings and struck out 6. It is not great by his standards but he is in line for the win and got outs when he needed and didn't allow a ton of baserunners.
Son of a :boom
ahahahaha
I hate this bullpen
VORP :-\
Cole needs to pull a Carlos Zambrano and beat someones a$$.
here come the eagle chants....ha i love it
I love these guys. Go team.
So Manuel brings in Gordon to set up a game in SD, then he is nowhere to be found tonight? And he brings in tubby and not Romero?
Phreak loves Manuel old ballsack, but the dude is a horrible game manager. For the good he does in keeping these clown barely over .500, he is that much worse at making in game decisions.
WTF just happened? I turned it off at 4-2?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 25, 2007, 10:04:58 PM
WTF just happened? I turned it off at 4-2?
Alfonseca blew up, and the Old Fool brought in Zagurski to try to salvage the win with one out, the score 4-3 and men on 2nd and 3rd.
:boom
Kearns fouled out
Church double
Schneider walk
Batista double 4-3
JESUS Flores double 5-4
Here, Yahoo! can probably summarize it better:
Top 9th: Washington
- M. Bourn in left field
- A. Alfonseca relieved R. Madson
- A. Nunez at third
- A. Kearns fouled out to first
- R. Church doubled to deep right
- B. Schneider walked
- T. Batista hit for N. Logan
- T. Batista doubled to deep center, R. Church scored, B. Schneider to third
- R. Fick hit for L. Ayala
- M. Zagurski relieved A. Alfonseca
- J. Flores hit for R. Fick
- J. Flores doubled to deep right center, T. Batista and B. Schneider scored
- J. Mesa relieved M. Zagurski
- F. Lopez grounded out to shortstop, J. Flores to third
- R. Belliard grounded out to shortstop
holy helll
WOW.
Wow
finally a good play by steve smith...credit him with that run
No way that just happened :-D
HOLY MOSES!
So what is that, a four base error?
triple, e7. but the ball shoulda been caught.
Quote from: MDS on July 25, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
triple, e7. but the ball shoulda been caught.
They gave him a triple? Should've been 2 E7, one on the catch, one on the throw.
Thats pretty damn generous. Nothing like a little home cookin.
Team of destiny :paranoid
my bad, it should read team of density, yep that sounds much better.
they need an out, then: utley-howard-rowing-bourn to end the game
bourn sucks
Phillie-killer Schnieider up.
bourn does suck but these idiots here get all hard because he runs fast
Can anyone read lips in Spanish? I want to know what Romero was saying walking off the mound. :-D
i love romero....always have always will
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 25, 2007, 10:36:22 PM
Can anyone read lips in Spanish? I want to know what Romero was saying walking off the mound. :-D
punta madre
Should Romero close?
in the real world no
on this team maybe
myers ready to come back. he should be game to close after a few light stints in the bigs.
how the farg do you bunt there. i hate this team.
MANUEL IS A FREAKING MORON! Fire his ass now!
Yeah, definitely Myers over everyone else. But Romero maybe should have been put in the position prior to Myer's return. Romero is tough against righties and lefties alike, hits his spots, is intense yet knows how to pitch out of jams and with runners on base.
He was great with the Twins a couple of years ago. I just think he should be used more than he is and not be a situational left hander.
He definitely has better control than Alfonseca and Joe Table and has a sweeping motion that is difficult to pick up.
no way he just bunted? no way. no way. no way.
charlie made a andy reid move there...or was it a charlie manuel move...either way it was atrocious
Yeah, let one of the most clutch hitters on the Phils right now bunt. Good idea.
Go Coste.
rowand coulda been on his own there.
just an awful inning all told. i hate them.
They deserve to lose
Barbaro's on the mound
I hate those guys!
(http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/62/81/88m.jpg)
Gordon 1-2-3
He looked good. Hopefully he stays healthy.
i just dont understand manuel...why bunt there as well...not as mind numbing as the rowand call but you got lefty righty and a part time player up who probably hasnt sacrificed this year
Rollins on first. Two out. He'd better steal first two pitches.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 25, 2007, 11:05:00 PM
Rollins on first. Two out. He'd better steal first two pitches.
>:(
this is pathetic game
Well, Condrey is pitching. It will be 8-5 in no time.
I hope Utley and Howard get on again so we can see Rowand bunt
Condrey has to bat with the bases loaded. :-D
awesome display of clutch hitting
just awful. this team is something else.
Did Manuel just order an intentional walk to MOVE the go-ahead run to scoring position with two outs?
Never mind- the pitcher is up.
Watch it bite him in the ass, though.
The Nats have no bench left
The Phils have no relievers left
Is this great or what... :boom
That's the second time the Nats had to bat the pitcher.
The Natural just led off with a single - can they please win this freaking game?
:-D :-X :boom
(http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/three_stooges.jpg)
and Rollins gets caught stealing to end the inning.
This game should have been finished 2 hours ago
And they have a day game tomorrow
And for the 3rd time in extra innings the heart of the order (Utley, Howard, Rowand) leads off
I don't care how bad they are the Nats should hang themselves for not being able to get a run off Condrey in 3 innings
At least the Nationals do, too.
And, hey, Utley's up first! Who would have thought it?
Durbin's warming up.
HOWARD!!!!!!!!!!
It was worth staying up to see that game winning blast from Howard.
THAT WAS GONE AS SOON AS IT MADE CONTACT
F YEAH
good night
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 25, 2007, 11:58:43 PM
THAT WAS GONE AS SOON AS IT MADE CONTACT
F YEAH
You can see Schneider just turn and walk away. He knew it was over. :-D
farging losers, still.
2 games back of wild card, but 3 teams to pass. in it to win it. champions of 2nd place. wooo son.
yeah it really is amazing how its the same story over again to a tee...and yet people still think they can make the playoffs...i dont get it...
and actually this year is even less of a chance that they make it as there are more good teams in the national league than there has been in the other years theyve come up short
I'm still drunk after last night. :D
What a titanic shot Howard hit to end it. Jesus. . .
PS: Alfonseca is going to kill them sooner or later. Thank God he imploded in a win.
The problem IGY is we all want to see them win, most people get sucked in every year, but all should expect them to come up just short in the race but well enough in the owners pockets. It's sickening, ive never hated a team so much. They just do enough to fill the seats every friggin year
They'll probably end up 10 games over .500 again like always and miss the playoffs by 2 games. It is true that there are better teams in the NL this year than in year's past -- especially in the NL West where 3 teams could end up with a better record than the Phils -- possibly.
Everyone is saying that the magic number is 90, but I think they may have to aim higher than that. Maybe 92. Essentially, they have to go 38-24 or 40-22 the rest of the way, meaning that they pretty much have to win every series (take 2 out of 3) from here on out (since it is roughly a 2 to 1 ratio from here).
Can they do it? Maybe not. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to enjoy any run that they do make and root like they can do it. Ultimately we might be disappointed, but as long as they are in the race I feel obligated to root. It is getting to the point of masochism.
The problem IGY is we all want to see them win, most people get sucked in every year, but all should expect them to come up just short in the race but well enough in the owners pockets. It's sickening, ive never hated a team so much. They just do enough to fill the seats every friggin year
i told myself last year i wouldnt do it again and i did...but after the rain delay game i went to in DC last year...the 11:30pm start or whatever time it was...where they choked that game and series i said never again until the team goes thru real changes....you cant keep bringing back the same players same manager and expect things to change
i want them to win...but if they were 20 games under .500 right now id want them to win and still watch every game and cheer for them...but the fact is this year they cant and wont win...this year is not in any way shape or form different from the last three years...same players same team same manager in a league with a deeper pool of competition...i guess i understand how people can get sucked in again because i did it myself for a few years but now that im out of that i can see witha clear vision how ridiculous all the believers are now...its an epiphany of sorts...its rather enjoyable actually
i had to listen to that game driving up 95 after a 20 hour day and i wanted to kill charlie manuel...this is why they won't make the playoffs
2 men on, no outs, your #5 hitter up and you have him BUNT!?
Dobbs on first, no outs, Rollins up, and you let him hit away, when you are on your last bullpen pitcher?
worst. manager. ever.
the 9th inning annoyed me too. Gordon was warming with a 2-run lead and he brings in Alfonseca instead....then when Alf Fs up again, he doesn't bring in Romero....he doesn't bring in Gordon....he brings in Zagurski! Zagurski obviously gets rocked since this guy can't handle pressure situations, so they yank him out after 1 batter....and again they pass on Romero and Gordon....this time for Mesa! :boom
Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 11:23:58 AM
2 men on, no outs, your #5 hitter up and you have him BUNT!?
I think Manuel made the right call with this one. It wasnt his fault Rowand can't bunt. I also think Rowand was 0-fer vs that pitcher.
I'll take 2nd-3rd 1 out.
Didnt matter in the end because everyone's latest golden child (bourn) grounded out next anyway.
whats amazing about the rowand bunt call is he asks the #5 guy (forget that hes hitting .330 and is on fire right now) to bunt and then asks a bunter to drive in a run...its all just imcomprehensible
as for alfonseca easy i totally agree especially since he pitched the night before...you have no clear cut closer and they are all old and broken....why would you go with any them two nites in a row ever
Charlie took the bunt off. Rowand never got the sign. They had a shot of Manuel pounding his fists on top of each other, which I guess means swing away, towards Steve Smith. Rowand still bunted and Charlie said after the game that Rowand didn't hear/see Smith. He said they only wanted Rowand to show bunt to draw the INF in on the first pitch.
Rollins is amazing. And Howards blast was titanic.
the bunt never should've been on...just let the guy hit away he's your best RISP hitter
charlie can say anything he wants...bunt never should have even crossed his mind much less have been sent in
Once again, they wanted him to apparently show bunt (take a strike) to draw in the INF. At least that's how I understood the comments.
Two year ago...and even since...all I heard was "They don't play small ball, they rely too much on the HR!"
Now they try and manufacture a run...and it's the same thing. Internet fans are funny.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 26, 2007, 11:44:51 AM
Once again, they wanted him to apparently show bunt (take a strike) to draw in the INF. At least that's how I understood the comments.
That's what I took away from it but it's still no excuse. Why bother drawing the infield in when you have a guy hitting over .330 at bat? He's been hot as hell since the all-star break. Just retarded.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 26, 2007, 11:57:19 AM
Two year ago...and even since...all I heard was "They don't play small ball, they rely too much on the HR!"
Now they try and manufacture a run...and it's the same thing. Internet fans are funny.
blanket statements are more funny
it's all about context, douche.
The context being that the only needed one guy to score, and a successful bunt would have put 2nd and 3rd, 1 out. A moderate fly ball wins the game. Same as a double in the gap.
Context RULES!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 26, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 26, 2007, 11:44:51 AM
Once again, they wanted him to apparently show bunt (take a strike) to draw in the INF. At least that's how I understood the comments.
That's what I took away from it but it's still no excuse. Why bother drawing the infield in when you have a guy hitting over .330 at bat? He's been hot as hell since the all-star break. Just retarded.
That comment makes no sense.
You draw the infield in to take away the double play by putting the 2B and SS out of reach of second base.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 26, 2007, 12:00:18 PM
The context being that the only needed one guy to score, and a successful bunt would have put 2nd and 3rd, 1 out. A moderate fly ball wins the game. Same as a double in the gap.
Context RULES!
yes! so bunt your best RISP guy for a guy with 100 ABs who is a ground ball slap hitter. you're brilliant...
Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 26, 2007, 12:00:18 PM
The context being that the only needed one guy to score, and a successful bunt would have put 2nd and 3rd, 1 out. A moderate fly ball wins the game. Same as a double in the gap.
Context RULES!
yes! so bunt your best RISP guy for a guy with 100 ABs who is a ground ball slap hitter. you're brilliant...
Is Rowand was successful in bunting (and both attempts looked wretched), Bourn would have been walked, and the pitchers' slot would have been up.
Bourn RISP > Rowand RISP
Quote from: Wingspan on July 26, 2007, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 26, 2007, 11:58:28 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 26, 2007, 11:44:51 AM
Once again, they wanted him to apparently show bunt (take a strike) to draw in the INF. At least that's how I understood the comments.
That's what I took away from it but it's still no excuse. Why bother drawing the infield in when you have a guy hitting over .330 at bat? He's been hot as hell since the all-star break. Just retarded.
That comment makes no sense.
You draw the infield in to take away the double play by putting the 2B and SS out of reach of second base.
Not only that but the 3B has basically no shot of fielding a screamer to his left...the ball is a base hit and game over.
By the way...courtesy of a dude on the Phils MB
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1195/902941272_790f665bcb_b.jpg (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1195/902941272_790f665bcb_b.jpg)
Howard's pose as he killed Chris Booker's pitch...now my desktop.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 26, 2007, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on July 26, 2007, 12:00:18 PM
The context being that the only needed one guy to score, and a successful bunt would have put 2nd and 3rd, 1 out. A moderate fly ball wins the game. Same as a double in the gap.
Context RULES!
yes! so bunt your best RISP guy for a guy with 100 ABs who is a ground ball slap hitter. you're brilliant...
Is Rowand was successful in bunting (and both attempts looked wretched), Bourn would have been walked, and the pitchers' slot would have been up.
This is all irrelevant anyway because Rowand missed the sign taking the bunt off to begin with.
But coste came up with 2 outs there once the pitchers spot came up.
The point is, Winger, that there was no need for Rowand to be bunting or even hinting at it. The guy has been on fire the last few weeks. In fact, he's the only Major League player in the history of the sport to have two games with at least four extra-base hits in the same month and he did that within only a few days of each other.
He's flat-out the best Phillie hitter with RISP. Showing bunt was a tactical error in my opinion.
he's the only Major League player in the history of the sport to have two games with at least four extra-base hits in the same season
wow thats hard to believe...nice stat
edit: i didnt notice it was in the same month as well
ball game today fellas....sweep em up
and it's already 1-0 Nats with 1 out in the 1st
2-0 thanks to Eaton and craptastic Helms
2-1
Utley with a RBI single
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 26, 2007, 01:23:38 PM
2-0 thanks to Eaton and craptastic Helms
And :-D at the announcers whining about giving Helms an error. Especially douchebag Wheels.
Helms = Roger Dorn.
i got franzke on radio cause its blacked out down here and im coming to the realization that id rather listen to the game with him than watch a game with wheels
Harry's been particularly painful to listen to today. He's butchered about 1/2 dozen calls already and announced that A-Rod has 599 home runs and he and Griffey will both go over 600 HR's this year.
Ouch.
:'(
yeah as sad as it is to say harry needs to be put down...worse than him messing up tho is hearing the glee in wheels voice as he corrects him
Harry's been dead for 2 years...they just use a soundboard of his lines now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2007, 01:49:43 PM
yeah as sad as it is to say harry needs to be put down...worse than him messing up tho is hearing the glee in wheels voice as he corrects him
I was waiting for the human squirrel to jump on Harry's nuts over the home run thing but it never came.
Howard crushed one to deep center. 3-2 bums
Hahaha. Choke Dawg is farging unconscious. He just crushed a two-run dinger to center.
3-2 Sillies.
Need about 5 more runs. Eaton is still out there...
The Mets are losing to the Pirates and Wright got hurt...
phils have got to sign howard for life. good lord, horrible april, out for a few weeks and is one HR from leading the NL and is the RBI leader. i love watching this guy.
I'd like to violate todays rightfield ball girl
Lannan got tossed for hitting Utley and Howard
I never thought I would agree with wheels but what a bush league move by that ump. i'd pull my team off the field.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2007, 02:31:09 PM
I'd like to violate todays rightfield ball girl
good, comforting to know i'm not the only pervert tuning in today. sargent schwing reporting for duty sir.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2007, 02:31:09 PM
I'd like to violate todays rightfield ball girl
Too late. Burrell already has.
Burrell is on fire
Utley seems to be really favoring that right arm.
i favor my mine too, i think it's because i use it to jerk off
Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 02:46:18 PM
i favor my mine too, i think it's because i use it to jerk off
That was a nerf hoop dunk if there ever was one. But I got a chuckle.
Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 02:46:18 PM
i favor my mine too, i think it's because i use it to jerk off
i have the same...............................never mind.
Not watching the game, but apparently that hand is really swollen now :-\
2 runs! big F word.
Mesa coming in for his 1,000th appearence. lucky us. :paranoid
Fortunately the Phils' stellar bullpen is ready to shut the door on this game. :yay
HELMS!!
Wes Helms is my hero.
zimmerman was so busy laughing he fell rounding first.
i'm actually starting to feel sorry for hate this guy. see the look on his face after his shoe fell off? bum.
Mike Zagurski is awesome
and once again i cry. oh man.
Flores ass rapes Zagurski again.
Time for a demotion
lemme guess....the bullpen sucks...worst ever...i hate this team...mike zagurski should be in aa...travesty of a farce....mayhem....callin the national guard....david wright injury update?
zzzzzzzzzzzz
I don't even blame Zagurski there. It's not his fault he's continually being put in situations he's shown no ability to contend with.
farging ridiculous.
Seriously....has there ever been a worse major league bullpen? Holy christ. Losers.
On a bright note the ball girl in right field is giving me a funny feeling in my shorts.
Run, baby. . . RUN!
farging charlie....doesn't bring nunez in for helms to play defense in the eighth and has him pinch hit in the bottom of the eighth...
hello dummy! hello dummy!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 26, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
I don't even blame Zagurski there. It's not his fault he's continually being put in situations he's shown no ability to contend with.
farging ridiculous.
He's a middle reliever, those are the situations he has to deal with. Its his fault for sucking ass. Its managements fault for not upgrading the bullpen. Its Charlies fault for throwing him out there.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 26, 2007, 04:07:59 PM
On a bright note the ball girl in right field is giving me a funny feeling in my shorts.
Run, baby. . . RUN!
I mentioned her earlier, what a stacked little body. I think this is her:
(http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/phi/images/fan_forum/ballgirls/christy_190x225.jpg)
If Cholly put me in to pitch whose fault would it be if I gave up tape-measure home runs? Is it mine or Cholly's?
That's what I meant by saying that I don't blame Zagursky for sucking. I know he sucks, you know he sucks, the whole farging world knows he sucks, yet Cholly keeps tossing him in there despite the evidence.
It's ridiculous and so are the miserable fargs who put this garbage pitching staff together.
phils 1-41 when trailing after 8
I turned my underwear inside out. RALLY TIME!
:D
So was Wright hurt or not?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2007, 04:16:31 PM
phils 1-41 when trailing after 8
Don't worry. Michael Bourn will come up this inning.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 26, 2007, 04:15:39 PM
If Cholly put me in to pitch whose fault would it be if I gave up tape-measure home runs? Is it mine or Cholly's?
That's what I meant by saying that I don't blame Zagursky for sucking. I know he sucks, you know he sucks, the whole farging world knows he sucks, yet Cholly keeps tossing him in there despite the evidence.
It's ridiculous and so are the miserable fargs who put this garbage pitching staff together.
Its both their faults and the GMs, which is why I chose to spread the blame.
And of course Zagurski pitches a 1-2-3 9th.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2007, 04:21:15 PM
And of course Zagurski pitches a 1-2-3 9th.
microcosm of this team...
the 8th inning = late august and the playoff push
the 9th inning = september after they are elminated
Rowand is sick.
AIDS?
Time for Michael Bourn to demonstrate who money he will be in the future....for another team. Lohse!!
:paranoid
a guy who can steal and get himself into scoring position? yeah, that's overrated
Time for Michael Bourn to demonstrate who money he will be in the future....for another team. Lohse!!
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did he swing at the first pitch after a 4-pitch walk?
Losers.
farging bums
Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 04:22:56 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2007, 04:21:15 PM
And of course Zagurski pitches a 1-2-3 9th.
microcosm of this team...
the 8th inning = late august and the playoff push
the 9th inning = september after they are elminated
That was borderline poetic
time for the collective:
farg!
Mets lose
Phils lose
Braves facing Lincecum now
LOL at Baberaham swinging at a first pitch after Cordero walked Ruiz on four pitches.
It's amazing how little today's players understand the game.
Also - that was a fantastic play on Bourn's part. First he got a hit, then he stole second and then basically stole third on Coste's groundout. Too bad it was academic in the end, though.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2007, 04:31:08 PM
farging bums
Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 04:22:56 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 26, 2007, 04:21:15 PM
And of course Zagurski pitches a 1-2-3 9th.
microcosm of this team...
the 8th inning = late august and the playoff push
the 9th inning = september after they are elminated
That was borderline poetic
time for som haiku ala Dio:
ugly eigth inning ,
ninth inning heroics to late,
phillies suck shtein
I don't understand the short leash on Romero either. Yeah, he gave up two runs on a grounder up the middle that just got by Rollins, but no one has really hit him hard yet they pull him for Mesa with 2 outs instead of just letting him pitch out of the jam.
He is probably their best reliever (at least right now; maybe tied with Madson), and he never gets an opportunity to pitch out of jams. Sure, I could see if he was great against lefties and horrible against righties, but I think he has them both hitting under .200 against him so far.
And Zagurski in clutch situations? Come on. Chalk up that loss to stupidity in clutch situations. I think most teams would win scoring 6 runs at home. Not here though.
i cant stop thinking about adam eaton being the number two starter next year
Chase to the DL...broken hand
Go Eagles :boom
might be the blessing in disguise needed to convince Pat Gillick to sell, sell, sell
Good times.
Manuel butchers yet another late inning situation.
Adam Eaton gives up 4 runs in 6 innings and that's considered good for him.
The best player on the team breaks his hand will now be replaced by Abraham Nunez.
Potential Ewing Thoery here, but in reality, you can't win with a bottom of the order consisting of Helms/Dobbs, Ruiz, Nunez and the pitcher.
I know igy's happy.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 26, 2007, 05:30:39 PM
Chase to the DL...broken hand
Go Eagles :boom
Wow. Just wow.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 26, 2007, 05:30:39 PM
Chase to the DL...broken hand
Go Eagles :boom
unreal
Certainly great news to wake up to!!
Jesus Christ.
Best case Utley said less than a month which really means about 6 weeks. Say hello to Babe Nunez playing 2nd. And now Charlie really has to figure out what to do with the line-up.
And of course when they win, the Mets win. When they lose, the Mets lose.
Rollins
Vic
Howard
Burrell
Rowand
Vic
Rowand
Rollins
Howard
Burrell
Rollins
Vic
Rowand
Howard
Burrell
Those are the only 3 combo's I can see him doing - and I DO NOT want him hitting Rollins 3rd because Jimmy doesn't swing well there. I think I move Rowand to 3rd and Burrell to 5th.
last combo looks like the best bet.
this really sucks. this day just keeps getting worse.
poor kids are gonna feel my wrath at basketball practice tonight.
Perhaps we were all rapists and murderers in a previous life and are now being punished into following this farging shteinbag loser team. It just ain't fair.
I've resigned myself to the fact that nothing good will ever happen to any Philly sports teams ever again. No championships, no rings, no parades, no glory of any kind. Ever.
Oh, and I hope that Long Island Sun Mo pitcher who drilled Utley & Howard gets stabbed in the face repeatedly and then pissed on by an AIDS-infected tranny.
:)
why are yous acting like they were in the playoffs or leading the division and utley went down...like its a jinx or soemthing...they werent going anywhere with him and like sun astutely pointed out this will clear all false hope
i feel bad because utley was putting up come colassel numbers for a second basemen and now his year is shot...hes still goin to the HOF tho....this really isnt a big deal
Who's acting that way? Did you even read my post?
Jesus, IGY.
:-D
BTW: I was hoping Utley would win the MVP award. He definitely was one of three guys you could consider front-runners and now that's over. It sucks, man. That's all.
Wow. Just wow.
unreal
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Perhaps we were all rapists and murderers in a previous life and are now being punished
I've resigned myself to the fact that nothing good will ever happen to any Philly sports teams ever again
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 26, 2007, 07:54:14 PM
I've resigned myself to the fact that nothing good will ever happen to any Philly sports teams ever again. No championships, no rings, no parades, no glory of any kind. Ever.
Oh, and I hope that Long Island Sun Mo pitcher who drilled Utley & Howard gets stabbed in the face repeatedly and then pissed on by an AIDS-infected tranny.
:)
RJS can lend you his dog...he seems to be good at pissing on folks.
rjs's dog is an AIDS-infected tranny?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2007, 08:34:37 PM
Wow. Just wow.
unreal
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Perhaps we were all rapists and murderers in a previous life and are now being punished
I've resigned myself to the fact that nothing good will ever happen to any Philly sports teams ever again
so we cant get mad over this, we just have to say "whatever, they werent gonna win anyway."
i guess you can...but get mad for the right reasons...like utleys great season being interrupted...
not because this injury is gonna keep them out of a playoff race they were never gonna win anyway...and to intimate this is some sort of black cat syndrome or a jix is laughable....they arent jinxed or have bad luck they are inept...they will miss the playoffs this year because once again they came back with a team not good enough...not because utley got hurt
people are acting like the phils just clinched a playoff spot and utley got hurt
not really. im aware they suck. even with utley they arent close to good enough. but it doesnt hurt to try. and with utley gone for 4-6 weeks, ill be shocked if they can hang around .500. seriously if they farging start nunez everyday...
dobbs can play 2nd...start him there for shteins and giggles
Quote from: SunMo on July 26, 2007, 09:52:58 PM
dobbs can play 2nd...start him there for shteins and giggles
I've heard worse ideas
Not worth it. The infield defense would be horrendous. Helms at bat isn't that much better than Nunez. But in the field it's a huge difference. The hitting is gonna be zesty outside of 1-5, so you might as save a run or two defensively.
Amaro told Jayson Stark that if everything goes well, Utley could be back in 3 weeks. I think Myers was scheduled to be out 3 weeks too. Thanks Dr. Amaro...
Utley will come back before he should, that's the type of player he is. Hell he played through it for the game.
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Turn out the lights... the party's over...
Utley will come back before he should, that's the type of player he is. Hell he played through it for the game.
mcnabb played a game on a broken ankle and didnt come back early...not saying chase wont but just because he played the rest of the game has no bearing on when he comes back
No farging way will the Phillies allow Utley to come back before he's completely healed. Chase is the franchise along with Howard. No way they risk further injury to him pennant chase or not.
If they could trade away Eaton and Burrell for glue, I'd be happy. It's time to tank the season... only on purpose this time.
gotta trade rowand.....TODAY!
I'm holding out hope they'll re-sign Rowand.
The good thing is that it's just a broken hand, and a minor break at that. It's not like he torn up his knee or Achilles or anything that is truly vital towards playing the game of baseball. So I think comparing McNabb's multiple serious injuries and Utley's slight break is a tough analogy to make.
Sure, a hand is obviously vital, but it's nothing that would affect him years down the road or really take too long to heal. What sucks is that it is on his throwing hand, because I would say he could be back 3 weeks if it was on his glove hand because the Phils could just wrap and pad it up. But considering he has to throw with that hand, I would think at least a month.
If the Phils are still "in it", then I think he might try to come back early. If they fall to double digits or close to double digits behind the division/wild card, then I'm sure the Phils will tell him to take his time and I'm sure he'll reciprocate.
I'm hoping the Phils re-sign Rowand too. Money will not be an issue this off-season. It comes down to whether the Phils have the will to re-sign him and whether Rowand wants to come back.
there are only two acceptable options for Rowand before the deadline: extension or trade
if they pull another billy wagner with him it will be completely unacceptable
randy miller was on wip a few minutes ago saying that there are several agents out there that have told him that rowand has a secret deal with the white sox to return to them next year...and barring some astromonical offer from another team hes definitely going back to chicago
Wow. That's a lot of love for Chicago.
I'm not buying the secret deal jive. The White Sox are atrocious and if another team offers him more dough, I say it's a no-brainer he takes it without so much as a second thought.
I don't see him giving the Phillies a hometown discount nor do I see them offering him a big contract. Not with Bourn & Victorino standing there waiting to take over centerfield from him, anyway.
I want the Phillies to re-sign him because he's not only a good player, he's also a good influence in the clubhouse. That said, I don't see the bargain-basement ownership doing anything to re-up him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2007, 09:37:42 AM
randy miller was on wip a few minutes ago saying that there are several agents out there that have told him that rowand has a secret deal with the white sox to return to them next year...and barring some astromonical offer from another team hes definitely going back to chicago
Tampering? I doubt this is more than throwing mud on the wall to see what sticks.
That said, I think that it is most likely that Rowand does want to go back to the White Sox.
i guess its still tampering but rowand is an equal participant in the matter
they need to lose him anyway and spend every last one of their dollars on pitchers
FWIW my uncles best friend is Rowands neighbor, says rowand is the best neighbor you could ever have. Rowand loves it here, loves his house/the area/the fans. That said, :deion C.R.E.A.M. :deion
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2007, 09:59:23 AM
i guess its still tampering but rowand is an equal participant in the matter
they need to lose him anyway and spend every last one of their dollars on pitchers
I don't think that $10 will get them much, Igy.
Miller doesn't like the Phillies and the players don't like him, so take his stuff with a grain of salt...
i thought it was more between him and Ed Wade
Miller doesn't like the Phillies and the players don't like him, so take his stuff with a grain of salt...
he didnt say a bad word about the team...nor did he say rowand didnt like it here...just said that he wants to go back to chicago...which is something thats been floating around for a while...he just gave it some possible substance by stating hes been told by a few agents
Miller and the Philles is like Eckel and the Eagles...
I want Rowand re-signed.
And Ruben Amaro Jr. is a farging prick. I hate that smarmy, contemptible bastich. Smug little prick.
Joe Thurston is up from Ottawa to take Utley's spot. Myers hasn't been activated yet, so they still need to make another move...
utley had his surgery and the phils say he will be out "up to four weeks"
lol
i think Griffey had a similar surgery and was out only 3 weeks
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2007, 02:00:25 PM
utley had his surgery and the phils say he will be out "up to four weeks"
lol
I give it 6-8 weeks before he's back.
Myers was supposed to be out a maximum 3 weeks and now we're heading on week 9.
I hear utley's hand had to be amputated.
Out 4-5 weeks.
Luke Skywalker was back in 2-3 days
Quote from: SunMo on July 27, 2007, 02:07:51 PM
Luke Skywalker was back in 2-3 days
Post of the day
He has no range, and could never play second base.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 27, 2007, 09:59:43 AM
FWIW my uncles best friend is Rowands neighbor, says rowand is the best neighbor you could ever have. Rowand loves it here, loves his house/the area/the fans. That said, :deion C.R.E.A.M. :deion
Doesn't he live in that big ass neighborhood they just built up next to Regal and Concord High School?
Quote from: Wingspan on July 27, 2007, 02:10:00 PM
He has no range, and could never play second base.
he doesn't need range, he can force pull the ball right to him
Quote from: Munson on July 27, 2007, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 27, 2007, 09:59:43 AM
FWIW my uncles best friend is Rowands neighbor, says rowand is the best neighbor you could ever have. Rowand loves it here, loves his house/the area/the fans. That said, :deion C.R.E.A.M. :deion
Doesn't he live in that big ass neighborhood they just built up next to Regal and Concord High School?
yep...
Myers back...double chin sent back down
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070727&content_id=2112752&vkey=pr_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi
I figured 'double chin' meant Zagurski but double checked anyway considering that could of meant 3/4 of the bullpen
haha
Rowand hurt his shoulder and is out tonight
PHILADELPHIA (Ticker) - With Chase Utley expected to miss up to four weeks after undergoing surgery on his fractured right hand, the Philadelphia Phillies on Friday acquired second baseman Tadahito Iguchi from the Chicago White Sox for minor league righthander Michael Dubee.
finally tapping into the Asian market!
Quote from: SunMo on July 27, 2007, 05:00:55 PM
finally tapping into the Asian market!
Don't forget those two Korean pitchers the Phils signed a few years ago. Don't think they got beyond AA.
He's better than Nunez, but doesn't appear to be able to play 3rd base (when Ace comes back). But gave up nothing for him, so it can hurt.
giving up the pitching coach's son...nice
Quote from: SD_Eagle on July 27, 2007, 04:33:30 PM
Rowand hurt his shoulder and is out tonight
he injured his shoulder PLAYING TAG WITH NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS last night :-D
bourn gets on first, causes a couple throw overs, a pitch out, and then Victorino gets plunked...but hey, speed on the bases is overrated!
lol at Howard
if they had left the bases loaded with no outs at the end of this inning i would have turned back to watching spads on Eagles Live.
nats 3 mets 0!!
did that ball just drop right next to choke dog?
yes, and the entire booth let it go...even Sarge
i think he's been got to
man, that Bourn sucks...damn
that was so funny....he made that long run down there then started coming to a stop cause he thought the ball was in the crowd....then the ball landed right next to him...ha
Patricia's on fire
RBI double Chooch
Haters leave.
including you...bourn hater
wop-dee-doo, he got a few hits. hes juan pierre at best.
RBI double Chooch
ha
Quote from: MDS on July 27, 2007, 08:11:03 PM
wop-dee-doo, he got a few hits. hes juan pierre at best.
let's just assume for a minute that is matches him offensively....he's already past him defensively because of his arm. what's wrong with that?
hit numero 3
Quote from: SunMo on July 27, 2007, 08:14:27 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 27, 2007, 08:11:03 PM
wop-dee-doo, he got a few hits. hes juan pierre at best.
let's just assume for a minute that is matches him offensively....he's already past him defensively because of his arm. what's wrong with that?
hit numero 3
juan pierre sucks
stop it
he has a lower on base percentage than rod barajas.
i'm sure they have the same amount of abs too
It's still a large enough sample size to prove the point. Nunez and Helms also have higher obp's. And Pierre is hitting .70 points high than Nunez and Rod. He sucks. Bourn's stock is high, trade him for a starting pitcher so we can miss the playoffs by 2 games again.
Bourn has adjusted and hit at every level he's played at he just needs at bats at this level
MDS...did that butt sex you had with Billy Beane ruin your mind along with your balloon knot? Get a clue!
Dobbs makes an E...he's been wanting to throw one away for two innings now. Nice to see he finally accomplished that.
And good pick up of Iguchi considering they gave up nothing.
4 for 4
trade his ass
they can't use this guy
pierre almost single handedly kept the phillies out of the playoffs in 03...marlins were like 15-1 against the phils that year and he just murdered them
pretty sure he was top 5 in mvp voting too
one good game, great.
he doesnt fit into the lineup.
if he plays a full season he'd have a obp around .300
sure hes fast as farg and a good outfielder, but hes not very good
pierre and castillo can eat shtein. its more along the lines of the phillies inevitable suffering than them being any good.
little Juan Pierre knowledge for yo ass:
between 2001-2006 - 6 seasons (2000 was his first year, only 200 abs)
3 years above .300 average, twice above .325
3 years of over 100 runs scored
only 1 year of over 50 strikeouts (52 in 592abs in 2002)
4 years obp over .370 (2 of those years over .400)
stole over 40 bases each year
over 200 hits 4 years
double digit triples in 4 years
i would HATE if bourn turned into a guy like that...it would be a tragedy
most of that happened in florida. he's sucked since 2005.
Quote from: MDS on July 27, 2007, 09:02:03 PM
he doesnt fit into the lineup.
you are a farging idiot
Quote
if he plays a full season he'd have a obp around .300
they guy who's never had a obp below .348? ok, sure
Despite my dislike for all things Burrell...its nice to see that he's seemingly getting hot at a time when they need him to be.
Quote from: MDS on July 27, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
most of that happened in florida. he's sucked since 2005.
you've obviously run out of what little argument you had
Quote from: SunMo on July 27, 2007, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: MDS on July 27, 2007, 09:02:03 PM
he doesnt fit into the lineup.
you are a farging idiot
Quote
if he plays a full season he'd have a obp around .300
they guy who's never had a obp below .348? ok, sure
pierre? now its .316 and in 05 it was .326
we're talking abour Bourn you doofus
Bourne Ultimatum + Michael Bourn = Summer of Bourn(e)
dont forget
mds: bourn to be wild
Was Michael bourn on the 4th of July?
he was definitely: bourn in the USA
Looks like the Phils are going to try and stay competitive during Utley's absence by bringing in Iguchi. It was a good move for peanuts. I don't know Iguchi's status contract-wise so I'm not sure if this is his last year or if he's locked up for a few more years after this one. I also wish that Iguchi could play 3rd base because I don't know what he could do when Utley comes back besides be a pinch hitter.
Now, if they can only pull off a similar deal for a starting pitcher.
It's somewhat strange that the Rowand purportedly wants to go back to the White Sox when it seems as though the Sox are trying to liquidate their roster (Dye, Konerko, Garland, and even Vasquez are brought up in trade rumors). If he does go back to Chi-town all his buds that he loves so much might not even be there.
bourn again. i hate rain delays.
This is "bourn-ing" (all right that was bad).
D-Backs jump on the Braves 4-0 6-0, for those that care.
i care...i'm a bourn-again phils fan
So the Phils, most likely barring a monumental breakdown, will gain a game tonight on the Mets and it is looking like they may gain one of the Braves.
Why do they have to make it interesting? I know I'm going to be pulling my hair out in two months but, again, I'll be suckered in to see what happens. Keep holding out hope though that maybe, just maybe, someone will come through in the clutch or get hot at the right time of year and carry it all the way through the playoffs...I hate Philadelphia sports; too much heartbreak to endure.
i'm still fuming about yesterday's debacle. This was the homestand to make a move and yesterday was the perfect chance. The way the Mets have been playing since June, they have been ripe for the taking - ok that might be pushing it but they're not running away with it. I totally agree with you in that I too will get suckered in - again only to end up smashing my head against the door come October 1. Nah, I'll just go surf.
Lucky.
Game called. The less games the Phils are forced to close out via bullpen the better.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 27, 2007, 10:23:33 PM
D-Backs jump on the Braves 4-0 6-0, for those that care.
Last I checked it was 7-6 Diamondbacks. :paranoid
Tied with Hotlanta, 4 back of Muts, 2.5 of Wild Card.
I'm Bourning you.
Let's be optimistic for a second. Project Ace's return for the Mets series in late August. So until then:
2 games vs. Pit
7 at Mil/Chi
6 vs. Fla/Atl
6 at Expos/Pit
6 vs. SD/LA
If they can come out of this 7 game road trip alive, and King pitches two of them, they can realistically go 3-3 in those groups. That should put them in the running for the stretch run, and with Utley coming back, they can easily lose the wild card by 1 game. Go team.
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Who's he flipping off - Tito or Schilling?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 28, 2007, 09:30:34 AM
Who's he flipping off - Tito or Schilling?
He was telling Billy Beane what he was going to do with him later.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2007, 08:55:58 PM
pierre almost single handedly kept the phillies out of the playoffs in 03...marlins were like 15-1 against the phils that year and he just murdered them
pretty sure he was top 5 in mvp voting too
Well he got 1 5th (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_2_63/ai_112167135) place vote.
but it's true because you said it.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 28, 2007, 10:15:10 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 27, 2007, 08:55:58 PM
pierre almost single handedly kept the phillies out of the playoffs in 03...marlins were like 15-1 against the phils that year and he just murdered them
pretty sure he was top 5 in mvp voting too
Well he got 1 5th (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_2_63/ai_112167135) place vote.
but it's true because you said it.
10th in 2003
16th in 2004
Juan Pierre Stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pierrju01.shtml) (lifetime OBP of .347, for all you Beane counters).
i broke it down rather nicely already Geo...damn you
Well he got 1 5th place vote.
but it's true because you said it.
i said "pretty sure" never said it was true...i knew he got a lot of mvp votes...he was amazing that year
now release the nuts groupie
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 28, 2007, 11:46:41 AM
Well he got 1 5th place vote.
but it's true because you said it.
i said "pretty sure" never said it was true...i knew he got a lot of mvp votes...he was amazing that year (against the phillies)
now release the nuts groupie
um...he got
1 vote. a
5th place vote.
Pierre is an ok player with good speed.
Bourn is also and ok player...but with great speed.
That said i would trade Bourn for a #2 starter in a heartbeat and never think about him again.
pierre has been a GREAT player and he was that year...did he hit 50 homers or 150 rbi...no...but he was the mvp of a world series winner
as for mvp he got more votes than 99.9% of the entire league
hes much better than an ok player
comparing borun and pierre at this point is blasphemy...bourns not even an everyday player...hes a good bench player at this point in his career...pierre has been an mvp type player before
hopefully bourn becomes pierre one day
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:paranoid
Myers and Gordon are officially the closer and 8th inning guy, though Manuel doesn't know which one is which.
Gordon is the black guy.
So therefore he will steal the closers role?
Quote from: Wingspan on July 28, 2007, 01:41:00 PM
Gordon is the black guy.
i laughed out loud...nice one
So therefore he will steal the closers role?
not as funny as this
youre an idiot mds
cracker
This has nothing to do with the Phillies but it's still amazing as hell. 47 1/2 years?? Unreal. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-orioles-streakends&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 28, 2007, 07:09:50 PM
This has nothing to do with the Phillies but it's still amazing as hell. 47 1/2 years?? Unreal. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-orioles-streakends&prov=ap&type=lgns)
That'w why we have the "Rest of baseball thread," Romey. ;)
Seriously, that's really cool. I think I do alright only missing 10 days of school in my career. This guy blows that out of the water.
47 1/2 years without missing a game. It's almost inconceivable.
Predictable. Phillies get a 2-0 lead that should have been a 4-0 lead. Then the pitcher comes out, gets two quick outs, then walks the pitcher, gives up a rope single and then a 3-run bomb.
Just like that, it's 3-2 Pirates.
Unreal.
4-2 Pirates.
Bourne sucks.
Phlash looked dominant tonight. He gave up a single but otherwise he mowed the Pirates down easily with two strikeouts.
What, no posts on the 8-run explosion by the Phils, courtesy of a botched Pirate double-play ball, a Coste homer and a Rollins triple?
Also, apparently Coste is coming out with an autobiography soon. When does the movie come out?
I was posting elsewhere during the 8-run inning.
:-o
Myers comes in and has an easy 1-2-3 9th.
Bums win 10-5.
Just scored a free ticket for tuesday night (from some teachers in my school district). The thing is the one who called me said they wanted to ask me cause they wanted to see how long it would take for me to get into an arguement with other cub fans, but who cares a free ticket at Wrigley to watch my bullpen blow a game, ahhhh I can't wait.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on July 28, 2007, 10:11:06 PM
Just scored a free ticket for tuesday night (from some teachers in my school district). The thing is the one who called me said they wanted to ask me cause they wanted to see how long it would take for me to get into an arguement with other cub fans, but who cares a free ticket at Wrigley to watch my bullpen blow a game, ahhhh I can't wait.
Fantastic. I got to go to one game in Wrigley when my wife and I vacationed in Chicago (our last kids-free vacation). It is, by far, the absolute best ballpark experience I have ever had. I've been to Fenway, Yankee Stadium, Camden Yards, and a bunch of others, and Wrigley beat them all for atmosphere and overall fun (except for the Vet and CBP, but only because I'm a Phillies fan).
Since I saw the Cubs play the Mets, I was an honorary Cubs fan for the day. I would have loved to see the Phils there, though.
i had fun at the game tonight and now and surprisingly drunk and have no kids tomorrow
look ma! no spellin' mistakes!
I'm not sold on Bourne by any means, but Juan Pierre is not very good. He hasn't had a good season in three years. As a leadoff man, if he isn't going to hit for power, he needs to get on base. He doesn't. He hasn't had an OBP over .330 since '04, he hits for no power, his SB percentage isn't great, and he has a BRUTAL arm in CF. He really is one of the most overpaid players in baseball.
why does everyone insist on talking about Juan Pierre right now?
yeah, right now he's not very good, but he's had a pretty good career and if Bourn (no 'e', spell it right) can have a career that projects to Pierre's better years than that should be something that we should all be begging for.
bourn has already shown he can steal bases, play defense and throw in the outfield. the only question remaining is whether he can produce offensively enough to warrant an everyday spot in the lineup.
Quote from: SunMo on July 29, 2007, 12:36:26 AM
why does everyone insist on talking about Juan Pierre right now?
yeah, right now he's not very good, but he's had a pretty good career and if Bourn (no 'e', spell it right) can have a career that projects to Pierre's better years than that should be something that we should all be begging for.
bourn has already shown he can steal bases, play defense and throw in the outfield. the only question remaining is whether he can produce offensively enough to warrant an everyday spot in the lineup.
Well, I'm jumping in late in the conversation, but I don't understand the love for Pierre. He used to be a very good player, but he isn't anymore. His better years (04 and prior) he posted OBP over .350, and yes I would like Bourn to regularly post those numbers, but I would not be begging for Bourn to become what Pierre is now.
Bourn posted a .380 OBP in the minors. I think he can be a .360 OBP major league player. And while he may never be a career .300 hitter, ill take the OBP improvement every day of the week, in addition to his better speed and arm versus what Pierre is now.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 29, 2007, 12:48:29 AM
Well, I'm jumping in late in the conversation, but I don't understand the love for Pierre. He used to be a very good player, but he isn't anymore. His better years (04 and prior) he posted OBP over .350, and yes I would like Bourn to regularly post those numbers, but I would not be begging for Bourn to become what Pierre is now.
since you're coming in late, i'll give you the quick breakdown so you know why Pierre's name is being used...
some people like myself IGY and others think he can be a player who has a career similar to Juan Pierre's good years and others, i.e. billy beane and mds flat out think he suck and think he will be like Juan Pierre and that Juan Pierre sucks
so the past 3 days have been spent bickering about the merits of Juan Pierre's overall career. one i think you would have to call good. all in all it seems like a terrible waste of bandwith.
Quote from: SunMo on July 29, 2007, 12:28:27 AM
i had fun at the game tonight and now and surprisingly drunk and have no kids tomorrow
look ma! no spellin' mistakes!
You forgot a period.
good recap, sunny sunny sun sun. you couldve made the argument to play bourn back when burrell was eating cornhole, but these days, patricia is just being super productive. and with rowing doing what he's doing, and victorino playing fairly solid, theres no room for him.
but i wouldnt hesitate to trade him, his stock is high and the follies really farging need another quality starting pitcher to compliment the king. oh wait, fat ass garcia might be able to start throwing in a few weeks. hope is on the way in the form of 300 lb sweating venezuelan. go team.
The Phillies won't get a serviceable starter for Bourn alone. Not because Bourn isn't a decent player and a plus-prospect (he is) but because starting pitching is far more valuable than positional players at the moment.
If you want a good mlb starter be prepared to give up the farm because that's what it's going to take.
Also - apparently the Blow Jays turned down whatever stale peanuts the Phillies offered for Josh Towers. All I can say is, thank God because Josh Towers sucks ass.
PS: Drunk posting in the Phillies thread? NICE! :-D
sometimes i'm good for a few laughs...what can i say
and say what you want about how productive Burrell has been lately, and he has been. you have to have a left fielder that can catch the ball that dropped foul in the first inning.
Yeah, that was a goddamn shame. Pat just looked at it. But he gets credit for hitting well lately.
Thank god the Jays turned down that deal. I'll repeat...no goddamn slop, please. No Matt Morris, Joe Kennedy, Josh Towers or whatever other no talent ass clowns are out there.
Maybe I take Bronson Arroyo, but only if they can steal him ala Iguchi. But that ain't happening because the price for pitching is more expensive than what MDS charges the gays for toothless hummers on North Broad.
They asked about Arroyo but the price was too high...
Quote from: phillymic2000 on July 28, 2007, 10:11:06 PMJust scored a free ticket for tuesday night
Enjoy the HRs that Eaton gives up
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 29, 2007, 11:45:55 AMMaybe I take Bronson Arroyo, but only if they can steal him ala Iguchi. But that ain't happening because the price for pitching is more expensive than what MDS charges the gays for toothless hummers on North Broad.
yo kid i live next to some crackhead old age home, i can pay one of the hot 60 year old chicks on their last legs who look like their 95 for whatever the farg i need. get it right.
also, everyones favorite juan pierre clone mike bourn is in rightfield, rowing is back in center, and tad iguchi is batting 2nd.
is the game in a rain delay?
yea they gonna start in a few minutes. settle down there, big guy.
Big guy? Don't you mean bIGY? :P
Anyhow, Howard is having a helluva time with Pittsburgh pitching this series. He's now left 11 men on base during the series, 8 alone on Friday.
Yikes.
1-0 Bums on a wild pitch.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 29, 2007, 02:09:34 PM
Big guy? Don't you mean bIGY? :P
Anyhow, Howard is having a helluva time with Pittsburgh pitching this series. He's now left 11 men on base during the series, 8 alone on Friday.
Yikes.
1-0 Bums on a wild pitch.
14 according to the Pirates' announcers. Must be pining for Utley.
The Phils have screwed up plenty this series. Thankfully the Pirates are bad enough for the Phils to win anyway.
The Pirates announcers must have gone to public school. He had 8 LOB on Friday, 1 yesterday and 2 today. That's 11 even in Pittsburgh.
theres a reason its called shteinsburgh
If anyone else is watching the Phils home broadcast, did you just catch someone dropping a "Karate Kid" line a moment ago?
Haha! It was dead quiet and someone screams out, "put 'em in a bodybag, Johnny"!
Awesome!
Ryan Madsen's arm just died and went to heaven
That looked exactly like when Myers blew his arm up.
Lovely.
Alfonseca struck out Bay to end the inning, though. Nice! :yay
This Marte character would look nice in a Phils uni.
an iraq war arm amputee would look nice in the phils bullpen
well now the madson is gone they do need someone else. with him, their bullpen wasnt that bad.
Chris Coste > The Wire.
5-1 Bums - going into the bottom of the 9th. Mesa's coming in, though, so. . . :paranoid
I cannot farging believe they have no one else who can end this game with a four run lead.
Choke Dawg flashing the leather! :-D
Game over. Seriously, that was a fantatic play by Howard. A beautiful over the shoulder basket catch in foul territory in shallow right.
5-1 Bums + the sweep of the truly horrendous Pirates.
got to give Charlie credit to fight every urge in his empty head to run Myers into the ground the first week he is back
Sweep
5-1 homestand, wow. They took care of business. Now to make it meaningless against Chicago and Milwaukee.
4 games against the Cubs and the pitcher they won't face is Zambrano, so they catch a huge break...
I swear it looked like the Pirates intentionally gave up two runs to Coste just to make sure that he'd bat for Alfonseca in the bottom of the 8th.
Actually, Mesa hasn't been bad at all since the All-Star break. He farged up the other night against the Nats but other than that game, he's only given up two hits in his last 8 appearances.
Mesa could have been out of that inning if: a. Wes Helms wasn't a butcher, b. Zagurski didnt suck, c. Manuel had a brain.
so he didn't stand a chance?
Well no. But Helms will be obsolete once Utley returns, since Iguchi will play 3rd, and Zags is gone. But there's nothing we can do about Manuel's retardation.
Quote from: MDS on July 29, 2007, 05:03:57 PM
But there's nothing we can do about Manuel's retardation.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 29, 2007, 11:45:55 AMMaybe I take Bronson Arroyo, but only if they can steal him ala Iguchi. But that ain't happening because the price for pitching is more expensive than what MDS charges the gays for toothless hummers on North Broad.
yo kid i live next to some crackhead old age home, i can pay one of the hot 60 year old chicks on their last legs who look like their 95 for whatever the farg i need. get it right.
also, everyones favorite juan pierre clone mike bourn is in rightfield, rowing is back in center, and tad iguchi is batting 2nd.
Right on, buddy. Let us know how that depends flavored cooter tastes.
Anyways, good to see Kendrick throw well again even though it was the Pirates. And I am glad he didn't use Flash or Brett in the 9th although when I heard Mesa was warming up, I cringed. It was still 3-1 and its like Coste saw who was throwing and knew he had to get a hit.
Morgan Ensberg was DFA'd by Houston. He's been shtein for two years now, but I'd still take him over Helms. But its moot because Iguchi will be playing 3rd in a month.
Losing Madson hurts...he's been throwing well. And now other GMs asking price of the Phils just went up because he went down.
Do the Phils know the extent of Madson's injury? Will he be facing DL time?
I checked the official site and there has been no mention about the extent of his injury.
Franzke said on the radio they were saying it was a shoulder strain.
But I dont pay attention to what the Phillies say about injuries because they are lying iceholes. Myers was supposed to be out 15 days, Gordon had a torn labrum when they signed him but yet refused to sign Joe Borowski.
Who need Madson when you have Jose Mesa.
are you guys assuming that Iguchi can play 3rd or has he done it in the past?
Does this mean that Geoff Geary gets another shot with this team?
He reminds me of Cleetus the slap-jawed yokle.
Quote from: SunMo on July 29, 2007, 06:03:28 PM
are you guys assuming that Iguchi can play 3rd or has he done it in the past?
he's done it in japan. and hes gotta be better than wes helms anyways.
Quote from: Eaglez on July 29, 2007, 06:04:10 PM
Does this mean that Geoff Geary gets another shot with this team?
He reminds me of Cleetus the slap-jawed yokle.
Hes throwing well in Ottawa, so I would guess he gets the call. Hopefully he leaves the gas can and matches in Canada with the beady eyed canucks.
And he's a dead ringer for being a spawn of Ed Wade. Huge head + no chin...kinda like MDS' last girlfriend.
QuoteFrom the Associated Press:
The Phillies will have to deal with another injury after reliever Ryan Madson was placed on the 15-day disabled list with a right shoulder strain that occurred during the game.
Madson said the injury is very similar to the one that sidelined Brett Myers. A close friend of Madson, Myers suffered his injury on May 24 and returned from the disabled list on Saturday.
"It's been bothering me for a few days but I thought I could throw through it," said Madson, who will have a MRI on Monday. "Brett has already given me advice on the injury."
Atta boy, Ryan. You see Flash and Myers be out forever and you throw through it?!? Idiot.
That's sucks. I actually started to feel marginally confident with Madson in the 7th, Gordon in the 8th, and Myers in the 9th.
Now we'll be treated to more Mesa time and the Six Finger Surprise.
I definitely think now that JC Romero needs to get more innings in as well. I think he's too good a reliever to just be a situational left hander. I think he needs to take Madson's role and pitch in the 7th and see if he can get holds in those situations. I just don't get Charlie reflexively going to Alfonseca and Mesa when JC has good numbers against lefties and righties alike.
Madson thinks he heard it tear
Jesus, Phreak loves me. I love you to, you stinking pile of working class white trash.
As for Madson, farg him. Need a 7th inning guy. Now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 29, 2007, 04:15:55 PM
an iraq war arm amputee would look nice in the phils bullpen
At least a prosthetic arm would make the Tommy John surgery a little easier.
Would anyone do a Michael Bourn for Anthony Reyes trade? I sure hope not, but that is what is currently on the "rumor mill" per MLB.com:
QuoteThe Phillies sent a scout Saturday to watch Anthony Reyes, according to a report in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. The Cardinals pitcher went six innings against the Brewers and allowed two earned runs. He picked up his first regular-season win since Sept. 3, 2006, but his 1-10 record this season is indicative of a lack of run support. The Cardinals have scored two runs or less in seven of his losses this season. The 25-year-old garnered praise as a top young arm when he went eight innings to beat the Tigers in last year's World Series. The Phillies could deal outfielder Michael Bourn, who has started in center field the Phillies past two games.
This trade doesn't make much sense because the Phils would get a marginally good young arm (a lot of his losses can be chalked up to poor run support, but even taking that into account he really is nothing special; 6.11 ERA and he hasn't went past 6 innings seemingly all season) at the cost of a potentially everyday outfielder. Trading Bourn knowing that the prospects of re-signing Rowand during the season are slim and knowing that if he doesn't re-sign he is more than likely gone is stupid; but it wouldn't surprise me if it did occur.
QuoteHe picked up his first regular-season win since Sept. 3, 2006, but his 1-10 record this season is indicative of a lack of run support.
It could also be indicative of having an ERA over 6.00.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 27, 2007, 02:22:26 PM
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 27, 2007, 09:59:43 AM
FWIW my uncles best friend is Rowands neighbor, says rowand is the best neighbor you could ever have. Rowand loves it here, loves his house/the area/the fans. That said, :deion C.R.E.A.M. :deion
Doesn't he live in that big ass neighborhood they just built up next to Regal and Concord High School?
yep...
Apparently Sheldon Brown was shopping in that neighborhood too. The houses are farging huge, not one house has less then a 3 car garage, most of them 4 car garages.
TO shopped there too back before he was a douche.
The Phils made a good deal with Taguchi giving up practically nothing for a good rental player. Hopefully the Phils don't feel like they have to balance it out by getting ripped off via their own stupidity in a subsequent trade.
I read a rumor on another board that suggested Coste for Ensberg. I like Ensberg more than Helms but I can't see why Houston would want Coste. They already have Ausmus and two decent backups in Munson & Quintero.
???
Ensberg was designated for assignment today...there wouldn't be a trade.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2953424
They can still trade him during the 10-day period, PG. They can trade him, release him or assign him to the minors. I doubt it's the latter, though. Read on...
QuoteThe Houston Astros designated Morgan Ensberg for assignment on Sunday morning, meaning the team has 10 days to trade, release or send the third baseman to the Minor Leagues.
"As we just told Morgan, it's not our intention to send him to the Minor Leagues at this stage," Astros general manager Tim Purpura said. "It's not an option I think for him or us. So we'll try to see if we can make a trade for him and give him another opportunity elsewhere."
Quote from: MDS on July 29, 2007, 07:31:54 PM
Jesus, Phreak loves me. I love you to, you stinking pile of working class white trash.
As for Madson, farg him. Need a 7th inning guy. Now.
HAhaha :-D
Bourn for 1-10 Anthony Reyes?
farg no.
Apparently Stark is reporting that the Phils are close to getting Kyle Lohse. WORLD SERIES.
for who?
if you say Bourn...i shall shoot the messanger
Bourn, Carrasco, Cardenas and a PTBNL :yay
they haven't mentioned any names yet, but it's probably not anything great...
it speaks to the awfulness of the Phillies that i thought you were serious for a minute
does steve smith have a son?
or better yet how about steve smith
Matt Maloney (Reading LHP)
helluva shooter that kid
not bad, he's behind happ. I cant wait to see how this guy fares at CBP
an all ages fireworks night every five days for the rest of the season
I wonder if Lohse is a pilot?
:-D
:-D :-D
Lohse is an oddball.
Here is his game log:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=4789
By my count, he has 7 quality to average starts, 6 horrible starts, and 6 terrific starts. So he's got about a 66% chance of keeping the team in the game. Is that an improvement over The Real Deal? Better than Beaton? Probably.
So far 2 for 2 for the Phils. Rumor has it that the Phils are going to try and add a bullpen arm before the deadline, so let's hope that they don't single handedly ruin two good trades with their next move.
He's garbage.
But they didn't give up much, so like I said before if they acquire guys without giving up much, I'm cool. But he's trash.
And Eckel was pimping this dude, so when he bombs it will be funny to hear him explain.
Lohse > Durbin
Probably.
And Durbin > Condrey as the long guy in the pen
To be honest Condrey hasn't been that bad as the long guy this year. Durbin already stated he doesn't want to come out of the pen, I know he has no choice but guys who aren't open to becoming long/middle relievers usually suck ass. Not to mention Durbin sucked the few times he came out of the pen.
Aaron Rowand with a huge 3-run homerun
3-0 phils
Sure, these aren't earth-shattering trades but as long as they keep on not giving up much and getting some guys with experience down the stretch I think it is a decent move.
Yeah, I don't think Durbin is willing to come out of the pen. Hopefully Clay continues to pitch well and maybe Geary picks it up too. His stats were pretty impressive in his latest stint in the minors.
Oh no, I'm falling for it again... I'm getting excited about the home stretch. :paranoid
A lot of philly fans tonight. My sister in law was on the way down town for a day out with her kids, she calls me and my 8 yr. old niece asks me why there are so many phillie fans on the train with her. I explained to whole phillies cubs thing and told her to do an Eagles cheer for them. My sis in law calls back 20 mins. later and said she was the hit of the upper deck when she belted out E A G L E S EAGLES!!! I can't wait for tomorrow night!
Quote from: Eaglez on July 30, 2007, 08:02:10 PM
Oh no, I'm falling for it again... I'm getting excited about the home stretch. :paranoid
we really need a support group, after the next flop I am going to need some serious help.
Bourn's hurt. He tripped over the pitcher's mound in right field chasing a foul ball. Not a doctor, but it looks like he hurt his left ankle.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 30, 2007, 08:40:36 PM
Bourn's hurt. He tripped over the pitcher's mound in right field chasing a foul ball. Not a doctor, but it looks like he hurt his left ankle.
Thankfully it doesn't look as serious as I first thought. He looked to be in a lot of pain.
He's staying in the game.
Victorino already left the game limping
Now Bourn trips on the f'ing foul line and twists an ankle on the bullpen mound and doesn't get up for 3 minutes :-D
what the f**k did we do to deserve this?
He got up and jogged around so maybe he's OK. He's still out there...
that was gnarley! miracle he's up. looked like both ankles gave way. thank god it wasn't a knee.
nice job cole!
i still can't believe bourne is back in the game.
Quote from: Don Ho on July 30, 2007, 08:43:53 PM
that was gnarley! miracle he's up. looked like both ankles gave way. thank god it wasn't a knee.
When I first saw it, my thought was broken ankle. He really rolled over on it.
What's the word on Victorino?
Looks like Burrell will have to play the whole game.
I can't believe Bourn recovered like that.
You might say it was The Bourne Regeneration.
:D
I hate the exposed bullpens in foul territory. It is like a death trap for an outfielder. I don't understand the obstacles at all. But I guess Wrigley is so old that there is no where else to put the pen.
Good thing Bourn is fine. Hopefully Victorino will just be day to day and maybe get a day off tomorrow and then be ready for the rest of the series.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 30, 2007, 08:48:53 PM
I can't believe Bourn recovered like that.
You might say it was The Bourne Regeneration.
:D
i might say you should take a trip in a news helicopter over Arizona
You're only saying that because you laughed and are now ashamed of yourself.
that's irrelevant
i would love to violate Erin Andrews' funhole
Bourn is now out of the game. :-\
Yeah, so much for him being OK.
Dobbs is going to need to pick up the slack.
So, Ed, what outfielders are in Ottawa? Reading? Clearwater? Honey Brook?
probably just precautionary. he made it down the steps without any trouble. but losing him and victorino could only be offset by me getting to farg erin andrews.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 30, 2007, 09:05:23 PM
So, Ed, what outfielders are in Ottawa? Reading? Clearwater? Honey Brook?
Chris Roberson and Javon Moran :-\
None of the others are ready for the majors
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Quote from: Wingspan on July 30, 2007, 09:12:06 PM
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Notice the Cards T-shirt, has to be from Missouri dumba$$
I spent two horrific years down there in college complete shtienhole
QuoteWhile they would love to not lose Victorino, Philadelphia can take solace in having Bourn, who exibits the same skill set as Victorino.
:-\
On the Phils official site. And it was just updated.
Phils win...King with the win, Myers with the save
Bourn x-rays
Victorino MRI
Dominating pitching by Hamels and Myers
3 games behind the Mets and 7 games over .500
Myers looked un-hittable.
Nice win for the Phils. I expected Cole to come out and dominate tonight, though. The real fun begins tomorrow. I still say a split with the Cubs is perfectly reasonable. I'm hoping for more but after losing Utley, Shaney & Bourny, it ain't lookin' good.
I might be a little late on this one, but Bourn looks like Method Man :paranoid
bandwagon closed igy left at the station
Quote from: MDS on July 30, 2007, 09:58:05 PM
bandwagon closed igy left at the station
He will catch the D.C. Express with Conductor Campbell at the helm.
Quote from: MDS on July 30, 2007, 09:58:05 PM
bandwagon closed igy left at the station
Ha. No shtein. Myers looked awesome out there tonight. Lohse is better than Durbin, and they gave up dick to get him, Iguchi has been silly, and hopefully will move to third when Utley gets back. I like the way this whole team is playing right now.
Although it's going to suck spectacularly when they implode going down the stretch, but to me, it has become fun just watching the new and interesting ways the Phils can farg themselves out of the playoff race.
King Cole threw well tonight...
Seeing Bourn and Victorino go down (and I just traded for him...can I cancel that mofo now?!?!) sucked. I though Bourn broke his ankle. And that noise we heard was Billy Beane and EmDeeEs cheering.
Myers looked damn good.
bourn > nunez, helms, any icehole from aaa
need him back so the others dont play
I think I speak for a majority of Mets fan when I say im a little nervous now. A little.
No worry...we've lost 2 OFs..our pitching sucks...and we're the Phillies...
Quote from: Die-Hard on July 30, 2007, 11:50:29 PM
I think I speak for a majority of Mets fan when I say im a little nervous now. A little.
Hoyda... ;)
cant wait till all the injuries are used as yet another excuse and charlie and steve smith are back next year
fun times
Iguchi + Lohse - Bourn - Victorino = CHAMPIONSHIP
I didn't know the Phils had the ability to win a 4-1 game.
Myers did look good. I promptly picked him up for my fantasy team after his seemingly effortless save last night. However, if Victorino and Bourn are out indefinitely it might be thin at the top of the lineup to score runs.
Iguchi is fitting well in the 2 hole though. If Bourn and Victorino are both out for the rest of the series then I'm guessing Iguchi may have lead-off duties. What is everyone thinking lineup-wise?
Iguchi
Rollins/Rowand
Rowand/Rollins
Howard
Burrell
Dobbs
Helms/Nunez
Ruiz
Pitcher
Rollins
Iguchi
Rowand
Howard
Burrell
Dobbs
Ruiz
Helms
Belly Itcher
Would you really put Rollins back in the lead-off role right now? I know he had his struggles earlier this season batting down in the order but he has found a nice groove hitting in the 3 hole since Utley went down. I don't know if I want to disturb that right now. But Rowand has been hitting well too and could fill that void nicely as well.
I've been an advocate for moving Rollins down in the order for years. But these absurd circumstances dictate that he returns until either Victorino or Bourn comes back. Rollins is the horse that pulls the cart at the moment, and because of that I'd rather put him in a position where he'll get the maximum number of at-bats possible. That means leadoff.
Pat the bat in leadoff. Make it happen.
1. rollins
2. iguchi
3. burrell
4. choke dog
5. seashell necklace
Ha. If Pat had marginal speed I would contemplate putting him at lead-off with his OBP. For all of Pat's struggles he went from a very impatient hitter to one that draws a lot of walks and actually strikes out a whole lot less. Too bad he looks so laborious running and has a difficult time getting to "top speed". He did have a nice running catch yesterday though.
Any idea when to expect an update on these guys?
Nothing new, but Randy Miller thinks it'll be 2 games for Bourn and a DL trip for Victorino, with Roberson getting called up. It also sounds like Madson will be back in 4-6 weeks. The MRI wasn't as bad as feared.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 31, 2007, 11:34:32 AM
Nothing new, but Randy Miller thinks it'll be 2 games for Bourn and a DL trip for Victorino, with Roberson getting called up. It also sounds like Madson will be back in 4-6 weeks. The MRI wasn't as bad as feared.
Translated: Bourn might be back in September. And they're making plans for a memorial services for Victorino.
except remember randy miller hates the phils (the phils mark eckel i believe) so expect them all to be back tomorrow
Bums recalled Roberson
Roberson was awful in spring training. I don't think he even got a single hit down there. He's also a hack in the outfield. He's fast as hell, though, so he might be a decent pinch runner for Patricia.
Regardless, it's pretty sad that he's the Phillies' first call-up option from the Minors.
technically, Coste was
He shouldn't have been there to begin with.
Coste > Joe DiMaggio.
Coste > Dom and Joe DiMaggio in a streetfight
Thanks 4 teh damaged goods in trade Sunnymo! >:( :-D
Phils acquire Julio Mateo from Seattle
RP in AAA who has allowed 3ER all year long
Who they gave up? I dont know yet
And apparently he's got issues...ala domestic violence
a pitcher with attitude..i like it
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 31, 2007, 03:49:25 PM
Thanks 4 teh damaged goods in trade Sunnymo! >:( :-D
Rowand hits a homer and Victorino gets hurt all in the same game, ha!
I just sent you a pipe bomb.
killed by the material that lends me my livelihood, how ironic
At least he'll have something to talk about with Myers.
"Mariners reliever Julio Mateo was arraigned on third-degree assault charges last weekend after allegedly beating his wife in a New York hotel room last week. Actually, no, that's not right. He was arrested after beating, biting and choking his wife. She suffered a black eye and needed five stitches on her lip as a result of the bite.
"Sadly, it appears last weekend's incident wasn't the only recent one on record. Seattle police were called to Mateo's home on the morning of April 28." - from may 10th
She had it coming.
watch your back ball girls
Julio rolls hardcore.
Jesus Merchan was given up in the trade. Average 2B/SS that had no shot of ever seeing the majors here.
Trading away Jesus for someone who beats their wife can not be good karma.
ha
the phillies are an absolute disgrace and almost seem to go out of their way to prove it
you'll change your tune once they win the East by 7 games
Quote from: PPinDC on July 31, 2007, 04:07:33 PM
She had it coming.
What do you say to a woman with two black eyes? Nothing you haven't already told her twice before
you'll change your tune once they win the East by 7 games
phils will not win another game on this road trip.....book it
lol...how much?
I'd like to get in on this action....
i read on philaphans that Jody Mac is reporting that Bourn and Victorino are both on the DL
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2007, 04:44:23 PM
you'll change your tune once they win the East by 7 games
phils will not win another game on this road trip.....book it
If any comment ever deserved the ::) this is one of them.
Bourn and Vic to the DL
Werth and Roberson up
Condrey waived for Lohse, Real Deal to the pen
Mateo to AAA
I smell 3rd place.
They'll probably pick up a reliever in a few weeks who gets waived.
Zolecki also said Victorino should be ready to go after the 15 days, but Bourn may take longer.
I wonder what it would have taken to get Dotel.
Carlos Carrasco.
The Braves gave up Davies. Granted he wasn't thought as as highly as he was in the past, but he's still got a little hope that he pans out.
I want in on the Phils not winning another game on the trip too. $$$$$$$ for me.
They'll win tonight.
By the way, Dobbs is leading off tonight. Roberson in RF hitting 8th.
Interesting lineup. The Howard/Rowing/Butt Jutt trifecta is indeed working, makes sense not to farg with it even though you now have Dobbs leading off. Chuckles did offset that by putting Coste 7th and catching, perhaps he will faze out Barajas and that icehole will be cut once Utley comes back.
The Braves gave up four of their top 10 prospects plus Davies for two guys that may not be on the team in 2009
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2007, 05:15:29 PM
Bourn and Vic to the DL
Werth and Roberson up
Condrey waived for Lohse, Real Deal to the pen
Mateo to AAA
I smell 3rd place.
They'll probably pick up a reliever in a few weeks who gets waived.
Zolecki also said Victorino should be ready to go after the 15 days, but Bourn may take longer.
smells like shtein to me :(
From what I've read/heard, Mateo has a real live arm.
Especially with regards to his poor wife, unfortunately.
i actually take that proclomation back...i forgot the cubs series was four games
1-5 the rest of the way
The Braves gave up four of their top 10 prospects plus Davies for two guys that may not be on the team in 2009
lol
easy youre slowly approaching HOF homerism status
i love how igy starts up shtein to try to make himself out to be the enemy. and hes picking an easy target: the phillies. no shtein they wont make the playoffs, so when they finally get eliminated, igy will do his little prancing around talking about how he knew they wont make it and how were all idiots for gettin into it.
guess what jackass, when they win the world series, you aint welcome at the parade. woooo go team.
Well, Coste catching Eaton is a big step to phasing Barajas out. He was Eaton's personal catcher if I'm not mistaken, and now he's not doing anything. So yeah, he should be outta here soon. Hopefully.
(http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/nyc_daveh/mateo.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 31, 2007, 07:16:10 PM
The Braves gave up four of their top 10 prospects plus Davies for two guys that may not be on the team in 2009
They did give up a lot. I guess they think the East is theirs for the taking.
Dobbs leading off? He puts in quality ABs but I don't think he is the fastest guy available. Hell, if they are doing pure OBP might as well put Burrell up there.
I would be reluctant to switch around the lineup right now as well with how Rollins is hitting. Sure, the Phils are sacrificing one more AB for Rollins per game but he is in a better position to drive in runs, and even though their pitching has marginally improved if they have any chance of making it interesting they need to stick with their mentality of just trying to grossly outscore their opponents every chance they get and not rely on winning tight pitching duels.
and hes picking an easy target: the phillies. no shtein they wont make the playoffs, so when they finally get eliminated, igy will do his little prancing around talking about how he knew they wont make it and how were all idiots for gettin into it.
im not smart for knowing they werent and arent making the playoffs...but yes anyone who thinks they are gonna make it is an idiot...just like i was an idiot last year...what is happening right now is EXACTLY what happened last august sept...how many times are you gonna get into this shtein....its the same team same manager same result...live and learn dunny live and learn
Its about time for Howard to go yard.
:evil
I'm beginning to like Barajas more than Eaton.
one game down four to go
with the lineup the phils are gonna have to throw out there for at least the next two weeks if the opponent scores smore than two they are pretty much gonna win
Eaton's throwing batting practice.
Chris Roberson singled and Burrell scored from 2nd. I kid you not.
Quote from: MDS on July 31, 2007, 08:41:36 PM
Chris Roberson singled and Burrell scored from 2nd. I kid you not.
I'm still figuring out how that little league ground ball actually got through the infield.
Good job by Eaton getting out of that jam in the 5th.
Phils get out of a bases loaded 1 out jam. Still 2-2.
Burrell homers to put the Phils up 3-2.
Future HOF Chris Roberson is now 3-for-3, and I think my wife could hit a ball harder than him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2007, 08:27:13 PM
one game down four to go
with the lineup the phils are gonna have to throw out there for at least the next two weeks if the opponent scores smore than two they are pretty much gonna win
Are you even watching the game? Pat the Bat goes yard to take the lead.
Seriously IGY, have you taken it upon yourself to make sure anyone who follows the Phillies just hates on them and doesn't enjoy the farging game? Yay! Bad Team Management Police.
Burrell was hitting .201 on July 1...he's now over .260.
As bad as he's played in the past, that's pretty impressive.
The last time he did not get on base was July 3rd, and that was a pinch at bat.
The last time he started and didnt get on base? June 29
He was out at the plate. Damn bums.
Manuel lets Eaton hang around so he can blow open the game. No Gas Can make this return. Winnnn.
Burrell giveth, and Burrell taketh away.
Are you even watching the game? Pat the Bat goes yard to take the lead.
did you honestly think the guy who has the highest era in the league was gonna hold the cubs to 2 or 3 runs...now you got great cubs bullpen vs zesty phils bullpen...all adds up to an L
good god igy go away
eaton sucks donkey balls. we know.
Season. Over.
IGY, if you hate the Phils ownership and management so much, why do you watch? Go boycott. Remove yourself so much from everything Phillies that in the future you have absolutely no reason to post in this thread. Then later, probably decades from now, when they are a great team, you can jump back on the bandwagon like so many Red Sox fans.
i root for them whether they are 30 out or 3 out...even when the team is going nowhere its still fun to follow the individual players...for example bourn this year and of course utleys monster season till he went down...but i also have to be realistic...yous should too...
7-3
igy's predicted gloom hath begun. They should just fly back to Philly and execute themselves!
I just follow it game by game. Unfortunately, Geary did not leave the gas can in Ottawa.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 31, 2007, 10:20:30 PM
i root for them whether they are 30 out or 3 out...even when the team is going nowhere its still fun to follow the individual players...for example bourn this year and of course utleys monster season till he went down...but i also have to be realistic...yous should too...
I hate myself for opening this gate.
But why? Do you have a good reason why we should too?
Mateo was assigned to Reading instead of Ottawa because he can't leave the country :-D
reading welcomes those types with open arms.
forget the fact that the phils got lapped by the braves at the deadline i still cant believe the phillies traded for a another woman beater...its not like it was a good player either...a friggin relief pitcher...
they just dont get it and never will
But was there much to be had? Gagne and Dotel went for pretty steep prices. And considering that Garcia, Lieber, and Moyer are all pretty much gone next year I don't know if the Phils would be inclined to ship one of their top starting pitching prospects for a bullpen guy. Sure, they could have rolled the dice but then everyone would be complaining that they traded their good, young starting rotation talent and still not make the playoffs.
I mean if their season is pre-determined, i.e. they aren't going to make the playoffs, then why throw the kitchen sink at a reliever if it isn't going to "realistically" change the outcome anyways?
Whatever. I'm tired of debating the merits of this team. They had an incredibly unfortunate season injury-wise and are still playing entertaining ball. I'm just going to watch, root, and see what happens in the end. Am I setting myself up for disappointment? Maybe. But by now I think most Philly fans are pretty accustom to it now anyways. To me, baseball's "post-season" starts in September. If they can stay competitive in August and stay within 3-5 games, then September 3rd-5th, 14th-16, and 25th-27th should have a playoff atmosphere feel.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 01, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
forget the fact that the phils got lapped by the braves at the deadline i still cant believe the phillies traded for a another woman beater...its not like it was a good player either...a friggin relief pitcher...
they just dont get it and never will
Gillick's rationalization on the matter was a thing of beauty, though.
To wit:
Quote"In all issues like that, we take them very seriously and I think we're very aware of his situation," Phillies general manager Pat Gillick said before last night's game against the Chicago Cubs at Wrigley Field. "All of our major-league players and minor-league players have undergone counseling [on spousal abuse], and we will make sure Julio has the same opportunity to meet with our people and receive the proper counseling.
"At the same time, we've had four or five injuries in the last couple days, so we thought we'd get him just in case something happened up here."
Haha. Just great.
pathetic
"Oh Don Mateo, it's lovely to see you this evening..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giu4dk0GiDE
it's a shame that Moyer isn't 5 years younger, because he knows what to do out there, but he's just done
oh surprise, another ball on the line that Burrell can't get to
yeah moyer blows
two down three to go for the 1-5 finish on the trip
its a 7 game trip, cuz. if they win the other king game, perhaps they can squeak out tomorrow or friday to go 3-4, which is decent considering chris roberson is starting.
i made my prediction after the first game...1-5 finish
howard cant make that out there
yea it was a silly play, but he was almost in there. great throw by lee.
rowand ties it, black adam dunn rules.
To give Howard credit, that was a tough play to judge. And he hesitated so he probably should have just stayed at 2nd but he committed and his slowness kept him from getting to 3rd.
I'm surprised Rowand deposited that pitch in the seats considering he had to reach down for it. His shoulder must be fine.
cant believe those clown cub fans cheered hill off the mound
Wow. Lou has no confidence in Hill getting a 44 year old pitcher out to end the inning.
Moyer definitely knows how to pitch in situations. He gives up a lead-off double but then gets 2 Ks and a flyball. That last pitch for his second K showed off how smooth he is; he was pretty much staring down DeRosa at 2nd while he delivered the ball to the plate. He has a lot of confidence in his placement.
well he better cause hes throwing 75 tops
wheels < (just barely) cubs announcers
Sarge has been a good addition to the commentating booth.
yeah, i wish Sarge was still in the cubs booth so i wouldn't have to listen to these two clowns.
terrible throw by howard. soriano still may have been safe but it would have been a lot closer with a better throw.
sidown bitch!
JC Romero gets 2 outs, walks the bases loaded, then gets DeRosa. Ugh.
choke dog has just been dreadful since utley got hurt
well done guys.
I haven't seen much of the game, but the home plate umpire's been squeezing both Romero and the Cubs pitchers off the sides of the plate. They're getting nothing.
And then he just called strike one on Ruiz that was at his shoe tops. There was one to a Cub batter like that, too.
Horrible umpiring.
i dont know whose worse, ruiz or barajas. carlos has been putrid the last few months
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 01, 2007, 11:31:35 PM
I haven't seen much of the game, but the home plate umpire's been squeezing both Romero and the Cubs pitchers off the sides of the plate. They're getting nothing.
And then he just called strike one on Ruiz that was at his shoe tops. There was one to a Cub batter like that, too.
Horrible umpiring.
agreed
must we watch this.
Myers is pitching like he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
its so much more fun when they play like this
i hate this fricken team :boom
inventing new ways to lose.
Bums.
Phillies load the bases in the top of the ninth and get zip.
Cubs load the bases in the bottom of the ninth and win on a farging wild pitch.
Yep - sounds about right.
i really, really love training camp.
When Howard's in one of these disastrous slumps the best thing he could do is stand at the plate with his bat on his shoulder. Pitchers know not to give him anything close and taking a walk every other AB is much better than striking out on pitches that aren't even close.
I actually got my hopes up after Myers K'd Kendall. Silly me.
Yeah when he falls he falls hard. He's swinging at crap in the dirt. He just needs to stand there, lock in on a zone, and only swing if it comes within that zone. He just needs to be in a protect mode and get on base. A lot of pitches aren't even coming close yet he's swinging wild. That's frustrating.
Since the back-to-back HBPs last week where Utley got hurt, Howard is 4/24 with 13 Ks and 0 HRs.
thats why they call him choke dog
I don't even sweat these slumps by him. Its going to happen to power guys. It just so happens it is magnified because Utley is gone now. Perhaps he's pressing to do too much, who knows. But he looked dreadful on several pitches. But he will bust out of it.
His defense is what is atrocious and annoys me. In game two he let that grounder from Floyd get under his glove and it sparked a rally. Last night he dicked up that throw. Everytime I see him try to make that 3-6 throw I cringe. His throwing motion leaves much to be desired...stop farging Kent Tekulveing it over there from chrissakes.
And the LOBs and non RISP hitting last night was offensive.
The Kyle Lohse era begins today. Are you ready?!?!?
You don't sweat slumps that directly affect whether the Phillies will win or lose?
Okay.
That's like saying you don't mind it when Donovan throws three interceptions and is directly responsible for the Eagles losing to a shtein team like the Bucs.
Without Howard hitting the Phillies have almost no shot at winning especially with the horseshtein pitching staff and gutted lineup they're trotting out every night.
i think the utley injury shows who the real mvp is...especially now that he has worked so hard to improve his defense...we are watching a lock hall of famer...and we shouldnt take that for granted
awesome headline today in the daily news re: the phils utter incompetancy
Jill Porter | Attention, alleged wife-beaters: Phils want you
Lohse took a line drive to his body so he's being pulled after 1 inning of worked which included a run scored off a bases loaded walk, a single, a double, and 2 hit batters.
Patricia strikes again! 2-1
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 02, 2007, 02:53:38 PM
Lohse took a line drive to his body so he's being pulled after 1 inning of worked which included a run scored off a bases loaded walk, a single, a double, and 2 hit batters.
Patricia strikes again! 2-0
Was the line drive hit by JD Durbin during batting practice?
That line drive was his best move of the inning. It saved 2 runs.
This is the oddest season for the Phillies I have ever seen.
I'm going to go ahead and guess Lohse cracked a rib and is done for the year.
Now the bums have 1st and 3rd 0 outs after a Helms double and Coste single...and you just know they'll end up with 0 runs. Out comes Eaton to pinch hit for Lohse.
Eaton missed hitting a 3 run jack by 5-10 feet. He worked the count and drew a walk. Bases loaded, no outs.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 02, 2007, 02:56:05 PM
Now the bums have 1st and 3rd 0 outs after a Helms double and Coste single...and you just know they'll end up with 0 runs. Out comes Eaton to pinch hit for Lohse.
Eaton had a better AB than Ryan Howard has in 6 games.
RBI single Jayson Werth
Bases still loaded, 0 outs.
I am now convinced that there is no way this team misses the playoffs.
No matter how hard they try and fall out of the race, something brings them back.
4-1, bottom of the 2nd. Still plenty of time to choke this one away
1-2-3 inning for Durbin
I am now convinced that there is no way this team misses the playoffs.
No matter how hard they try and fall out of the race, something brings them back.
welcome to last august
burrell is on fire
i had to laugh when the cubs announcer said after burrells single..."half way to the cycle for pat burrell"....and he wasnt joking
Burrell single, Helms double. 2nd and 3rd 1 out. Coste hits a ball towards the middle, Theriot makes a great play, one hops it to first but Lee missed it so 2 runs score. 6-1 bums. Pitching change for the Cubs.
I have to pick Burrell up on my fantasy team.
Durbin throwing some nice first pitch strikes. Put Lohse in the bullpen.
Now its 7-3. No lead is ever safe
No. No it's not.
I think the Phils are one of the few teams where the fans feel uncomfortable with a 6 run lead.
Eight runs seems to have been the magic number for this team all year. If they score eight, they're usually alright.
Of course, that figure should be adjusted upward now that Chasey & Shaney aren't playing nine every night and Bourny isn't being brought in for Burrell after the 7th inning.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 02, 2007, 03:59:58 PM
Eight runs seems to have been the magic number for this team all year. If they score eight, they're usually alright.
Of course, that figure should be adjusted upward now that Chasey & Shaney aren't playing nine every night and Bourny isn't being brought in for Burrell after the 7th inning.
Shut up.
Chipping away...
I think the Cubs broadcasters are definitely more annoying than Wheels.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 02, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
I am now convinced that there is no way this team misses the playoffs.
No matter how hard they try and fall out of the race, something brings them back.
welcome to last august
burrell is on fire
i had to laugh when the cubs announcer said after burrells single..."half way to the cycle for pat burrell"....and he wasnt joking
You mean that you're not waiting in breathless anticipation for Burrell's triple to the right field corner?
sloth like human + small park = no triple
Holy crap they have a lead for Myers and Gordon. Time to blow up the book.
Can't anyone on this blasted team bunt?
Carlos RufargingEZ.
Werth every penny.
Is there any easier athlete to root for than Coste?
PS: Could King Cole have done any more to prove that he needs to kill himself than what he just posted?
I'm still ignoring him, so I don't know what you're talking about Russell.
TV is awesome.
All things considered taking 2 out of 4 in Wrigley against one of the hottest teams in the league isn't bad.
So are the Phillies and igy's predictions.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 02, 2007, 05:57:05 PM
All things considered taking 2 out of 4 in Wrigley against one of the hottest teams in the league isn't bad.
Especially with the injuries.
The Phils should sign Orodenker though to solidify the bullpen. Does anyone know if he is going to be put on waivers?
The Phillies need to get a freaking priest to perform an exorcism. These injuries are ridiculous.
The Brewers have shtein the bed the past few weeks and are sending a bunch of hacks to the mound this series. 2/3 for a winning trip and igy pulling the old, whatever they still suck card.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 02, 2007, 12:07:16 PM
You don't sweat slumps that directly affect whether the Phillies will win or lose?
Okay.
That's like saying you don't mind it when Donovan throws three interceptions and is directly responsible for the Eagles losing to a shtein team like the Bucs.
Without Howard hitting the Phillies have almost no shot at winning especially with the horseshtein pitching staff and gutted lineup they're trotting out every night.
I mean, obviously I wish he wasn't in one or baseball players weren't prone to them, but thats just not reality. Reality is that they all have them and the big thing is how a player responds to it. Does he continue to wallow in his own misery or does he break out fairly quickly?
Since baseball is so long slumps happen, so no, I do not really get too worried. Its then up to the other guys in the line-up to pick up the slumping guy. He'll eventually break out of it.
INTs vs. baseball slumps are totally different simply because football is do or die and baseball is long and you have time.
phillies have already surpassed what i ever thought they would this road trip...successful roadie no matter what happens this weekend
too bad the bandwagon left the station, still room on the nationals one for your taterskins loving ass.
bandwagon...i dont jump on or off bandwagons...thats for kids like you
im a lifer
just so happens that i also keep it real...realler than an innocent child turned killer
and you cant handle that
so enjoy the wagon ill be back down on earth where i always am
can you adopt me please
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 02, 2007, 08:03:07 PM
bandwagon...i dont jump on or off bandwagons...thats for kids like you
im a lifer
just so happens that i also keep it real...realler than an innocent child turned killer
and you cant handle that
so enjoy the wagon ill be back down on earth where i always am
There's a difference between keeping it real and just being overly negative just to be a prick. Of which you are being the second one, prick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 02, 2007, 08:03:07 PM
just so happens that i also keep it real...realler than an innocent child turned killer
Can someone please translate this into English for me?
Quote from: Munson on August 02, 2007, 08:21:17 PM
There's a difference between keeping it real and just being overly negative just to be a prick. Of which you are being the second one, prick.
oHm y g0dw Ialomvt co7ldnr4t reed tHi0s cuxaz Im sooooooooooo 0ddr4unjk
Let's just say you're no expert on the subject of keeping anything real.
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2007, 08:18:16 PM
can you adopt me please
This actually made me laugh.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 02, 2007, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2007, 08:18:16 PM
can you adopt me please
This actually made me laugh.
You're clearly slipping in your old age....
or drunken stupor...take your pick.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 02, 2007, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on August 02, 2007, 08:18:16 PM
can you adopt me please
This actually made me laugh.
this is first on a checklist that ends with you hanging from a rope in your bathroom
While you're both obviously right, I refuse to believe that no one else thinks that MDS asking IGY to adopt him is entertaining.
Then again, I've never understood any of you, so nevermind.
wut up playas
Quote from: Wingspan on August 02, 2007, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 02, 2007, 03:59:58 PM
Eight runs seems to have been the magic number for this team all year. If they score eight, they're usually alright.
Of course, that figure should be adjusted upward now that Chasey & Shaney aren't playing nine every night and Bourny isn't being brought in for Burrell after the 7th inning.
Shut up.
farg you, Wingy.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 02, 2007, 09:35:47 PM
Quote from: Munson on August 02, 2007, 08:21:17 PM
There's a difference between keeping it real and just being overly negative just to be a prick. Of which you are being the second one, prick.
oHm y g0dw Ialomvt co7ldnr4t reed tHi0s cuxaz Im sooooooooooo 0ddr4unjk
Let's just say you're no expert on the subject of keeping anything real.
If it's that hard for you to believe that a college student spends half his current life drunk, then you obviously forget what college life was like.
The point is it's okay to be positive when the Phillies do somethin good...no need to be such a prick about them all the time and excuse yourself by saying "I'm keeping it real."
I was never drunk in college. :D
There's a difference between keeping it real and just being overly negative just to be a prick. Of which you are being the second one, prick.
id almost bet my life youve never even watched a phillie game...plus the right wing zealout hit it right on the head with you...faking drunk on the nets is no way to go thru life and invalidates your opinion on pretty much anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2007, 08:16:25 AM
id almost bet my life youve never even watched a phillie game...plus the right wing zealout hit it right on the head with you...faking drunk on the nets is no way to go thru life and invalidates your opinion on pretty much anything
Well said all around, my socialist quasi-dark-skinned friend.
hahaha. he called you a right-wing zealot.
if he could only see the hillary bumper sticker you have on the back of your vw bug.
:deion
dont believe the hype....hillary is a republican...probably not nearly right enough for ff...but a republican nonetheless
Gillick was just on Baseball This AM on XM with the excruciating Mark Patrick. To summize: Every move the Phillies made leading up to the deadline was brilliant and more importantly every move they didn't make was even more brilliant.
His justification for not getting guys like Teixeira & Dotel is they don't need a first baseman and their bullpen is fine now that Myers & Gordon are back.
Amazingly, he said this without laughing.
World. Series. Champs.
lets pretend for a minute that the bullpen was fine...this is the typical phillies attitude that kills me...fine shoudlnt be good enough...you should strive for good or great or at least to the level fo the teams youre chasing
fine misses the playoffs by three games
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2007, 08:51:56 AM
dont believe the hype....hillary is a republican...probably not nearly right enough for ff...but a republican nonetheless
Ha! What did you score on that political idealogy quiz a while back, where 0 was ultimate left and 40 was ultimate right... 4? Hillary's running as a ~15 but is actually much closer to a 10. No one that has a chance is liberal enough for your extremism.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 03, 2007, 09:10:06 AM
fine misses the playoffs by three games
...again.
Dotel would have been nice. Teixeira would be nice too if he could play 3B (which I think he has a little experience in). I just don't know what it would have taken to get those players in Philly or if Philly even had anything the Royals and Rangers wanted.
Thinking outside the box where the Phillies are concerned means getting pieces of shtein like Kyle Loshe or taking a guy like Jon Lieber and putting him in the bullpen.
Dotel & Teixeira would have helped the Phillies. What's sad is they wouldn't have even considered making those moves because doing so would require them to be creative and creative for the Phillies means Hawaiian bobble heads and dollar dog nites.
Winning teams do smart things and losers like the Phillies do things that make you scratch your head until it bleeds.
i would never do that.
Right. You'd scratch your nuts instead.
current wild card standings
phillies in fourth place 1 game back
wild card standings aug 3, 2006
phillies in fourth place 2.5 games back
negative prick
Not that the Phils system has anyone the Rangers would want other than Bourn and maybe Carrasco, but why would the Phils dump 4 prospects for a Bora$ player that has nowhere to play? He's not a 3B.
Another DL trip today: Barajas :yay
Condrey is back for the millionth time
Why couldn't he play third exactly? He's a gold glove first baseman but there's no way in your mind he couldn't make the transition to third?
Come on, Ed.
i agree that texeria could play thris...at least as well as dobbs or helms....but why do they need another bat?
what they need is a pitcher so that jamie moyer isnt their number two starter next year
plus the phils dont have four guys in their system that would equal saltalamacchia alone much less saltalamachia and the other guys the braves gave up
negative prick
wild card standings aug 3, 2005
phillies in 3rd place 3.5 games back
I absolutely agree they need pitching, IGY. But getting another power bat, especially a guy who hits right-handed (when he's not hitting as a lefty, obviously) for next year when Rowand heads back to Chicago, is essential.
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Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 03, 2007, 11:38:33 AM
especially a guy who hits right-handed (when he's not hitting as a lefty, obviously)
wait, let me get this straight. when he's not hitting right-handed, he hits lefty? this is getting way too confusing.
go phillies!
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 03, 2007, 11:06:20 AM
Another DL trip today: Barajas :yay
Addition by subtraction. Might as well release him once one of the injured comes back from the dl. Roberson gives you speed and Werth is a decent hitter, there's no room for 3 catchers.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 03, 2007, 11:38:33 AM
I absolutely agree they need pitching, IGY. But getting another power bat, especially a guy who hits right-handed (when he's not hitting as a lefty, obviously) for next year when Rowand heads back to Chicago, is essential.
They're going to sign Andruw Jones in the offseason.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 03, 2007, 11:13:14 AM
Why couldn't he play third exactly? He's a gold glove first baseman but there's no way in your mind he couldn't make the transition to third?
Come on, Ed.
Using that thinking, you could also easily put Pujols, Derrek Lee and Doug Mientkiewicz at 3B, right?
igy's gonna be feelin sour when the phillies win the world series.
Just to end the speculation, I looked up baseballreference.com:
Teixeira played 15 games at 3B in his rookie season (2003). He had 7 errors and a total fielding percentage of .811.
I don't think that, fielding-wise, Teixeira would have been a viable alternative. Yes, the bat is attractive, but the glove wasn't there.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 03, 2007, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 03, 2007, 11:13:14 AM
Why couldn't he play third exactly? He's a gold glove first baseman but there's no way in your mind he couldn't make the transition to third?
Come on, Ed.
Using that thinking, you could also easily put Pujols, Derrek Lee and Doug Mientkiewicz at 3B, right?
All three would be better than Helms.
Teixera turned down 8 years and $140M from the Rangers. No way he gets that in Philly and no way is he worth that cash either. But its moot because they have nothing close to getting him so whatever.
Anyways, I didn't watch the game today because I had to sleep. It appears that I missed nothing...except a Burrell HR. I haven't even checked the box out yet, but it appears Gallardo shut 'em down.
Whatever. 5 games out now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 04, 2007, 04:03:50 AM
Teixera turned down 8 years and $140M from the Rangers. No way he gets that in Philly and no way is he worth that cash either. But its moot because they have nothing close to getting him so whatever.
Anyways, I didn't watch the game today because I had to sleep. It appears that I missed nothing...except a Burrell HR. I haven't even checked the box out yet, but it appears Gallardo shut 'em down.
Whatever. 5 games out now.
Yeah, he pretty much sawed off their bats the whole game. Too bad, becaues Kendrick pitched well enough to earn a win (2 ER in 7 innings). The sticks just weren't there tonight.
This season is ridiculous. Now Burrell is the most consistent hitter on this team.
:paranoid
Calm down kids. Win today and they face a zesty pitcher Sunday. Can still take 2/3. Optimism wooo.
They're also going to miss Smoltz and Hudson next weekend since both will be facing the Mets...
Black Dunn destroyed a pitch to dead center to tie the game at 1
Mets lost today
Burrell is red-hot right now.
3-1 for Colbert.
Should be enough considering Bush sucks and Myers is game.
Colbert blew up a little in the 6th, giving up three runs. He still has the lead thanks to a good diving catch by Roberson (Victorino probably wouldn't have to dive, since he plays so shallow, but Roberson plays a deeper RF). Phils up 5-4.
Hamels came back out in the 7th (amazingly enough for Cholly) and put the Brewers down in order.
:-D :-D :-D
HR Prince to take the lead off of Flash.
fastball in the b8th w/ 2 outs
Goddamn Wheels and his "no doubles defense" and "just dropped the bat head on it" comments anger me.
Gordon just gave up a 2-run bomb to Fielder to give the Brewers a 6-5 lead. :-\
How many leads has the bullpen blown on Colbert?
Saw that one coming from a mile away. Gordon is obviously shot. To keep running him out there and for the front office to say getting him back was good enough is exactly why this team will never win anything.
They farging blow
Corey Hart :-D
The Phillies in a nutshell.
Corey Hart just robbed Iguchi of a game-tying homer. :boom
Quote from: MDS on August 04, 2007, 09:32:22 PM
Corey Hart :-D
The Phillies in a nutshell.
Touche'
Sweeps comin tomorrow. All is well in igy land
It's not so much that they lose (that's expected after so many years of following the team), is the maddeningly ways that they find to lose the games.
Invented another way to lose tonight. You have to admit, at least they lose with style.
The Phillies are the bastich child of major league baseball.
Quote from: MDS on August 04, 2007, 09:32:22 PM
Corey Hart :-D
The Phillies in a nutshell.
Who's wearing sunglasses at night?
the bullpen pretty much cost Cole 20 wins the past 3 weeks
What do Phillies fans do when they see the Flash?
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i just changed the channel and waited for these posts to happen
6-19 in 1-run games
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 04, 2007, 10:43:22 PM
6-19 in 1-run games
Reason #1 why this team is going nowhere.
I'm beginning to think rjs has the right idea, just don't pay attention. It'll save a lot of trouble. But then where would I let out my anger?
They're also going to miss Smoltz and Hudson next weekend since both will be facing the Mets...
lololol
easy's 4000 worst post ever
E-A-G-L-E-S...EAGLES?
what's with the question mark
Getting Myers and Gordon back was good enough.
Quote from: SunMo on August 05, 2007, 10:56:05 AM
what's with the question mark
Remember, he's studying journalism. They're taught to question everything.
Rollins leading off, Burrell batting 3rd today. It only took Manuel 1 week to figure it out.
Makes sense but he should have put Rowand in the 3 hole with Burrell batting 5th. I just don't like messing with Burrell when he's on fire. Hope I'm wrong but I see Burrell with 3 K's today. Too much pressure.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 01:01:30 AM
They're also going to miss Smoltz and Hudson next weekend since both will be facing the Mets...
lololol
easy's 4000 worst post ever
what's wrong with it? You'd rather see Smoltz and Hudson?
off to a terrific start today
Eaton's getting lit up. 4-0 Brewers.
About time to check out the other games...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 05, 2007, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 01:01:30 AM
They're also going to miss Smoltz and Hudson next weekend since both will be facing the Mets...
lololol
easy's 4000 worst post ever
what's wrong with it? You'd rather see Smoltz and Hudson?
it doesnt matter, ed. you act like missing those guys will mean something. this team sucks and isnt making the playoffs. whats the point in even bringing up what pitchers they miss, like it makes a difference.
Because its Ed. That's what he does. Do not question the Ed.
Quote from: MDS on August 05, 2007, 02:33:58 PM
it doesnt matter, ed. you act like missing those guys will mean something. this team sucks and isnt making the playoffs. whats the point in even bringing up what pitchers they miss, like it makes a difference.
Shut it Jesus killer.
youve been following this team longer than me. they suck.
Who cares? Ed = God.
Respek, son. . . r-e-s-p-e-k.
Eaton blows goats
I love easy, he's a good kid. But the Phillies will never win anything.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 05, 2007, 03:23:15 PM
Eaton blows goats
And he get to do it for, what, another three years?
I don't think there's any chance of the Phils picking up his 2010 option. $9M or $500K buyout...hmm
TODD, you are OK :)
Lots of penis-suckling going on in this thread recently.
You like penis as much as the next guy, Russell. Don't lie.
You say my name so much I'm starting to think you want the dick. Makes sense. It's farging breathtaking.
literally
We're gonna have so much fun in Boston this year, studmuffin. I highly doubt I'll pack clothing.
Alcohol poisoning.
Cherry-flavored semen.
It is 34 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes and 00 seconds until kickoff. . .
Christ this thread got gay.
they finally scored a run
Alright....continue on with the gayness.
Condrey is better than Eaton.
2nd and 3rd, no outs
Burrell Ks
Howard Ks
Rowand Ks
Give it a rest, Phreak Jr. They suck.
it doesnt matter, ed. you act like missing those guys will mean something. this team sucks and isnt making the playoffs. whats the point in even bringing up what pitchers they miss, like it makes a difference.
thank you son...i could never explain better than you just did
and im disappointed at my boy sun for not calling out charlie when the phils had two men on in the 5th inning down 4-0 eaton is at 80+ pitches and he let the MOTHER fargING PITCHER HIT....how on gawds earth does this manager have a job
um..it's 6-6 :paranoid
It is 34 days, 19 hours, 46 minutes and 15 seconds until kickoff
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 05, 2007, 12:18:18 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 05, 2007, 10:56:05 AM
what's with the question mark
Remember, he's studying journalism. They're taught to question everything.
Ha! True. Plus I had to question it because some don't like the Eagles chants around the Phils. Normally I dont but after last night I needed to get that off my chest..
Wes Helms! HELMSEY!!
8-6 Phils :-D
Wessy!
It's HELMSY, d00d.
Rowandy!
This team is just ridiculous.
:-D
Mesa doing his best to throw this one down the shteinter.
8-6 win. The Brewers announcers are literally crying their eyes out.
That was a pretty ridiculous comeback. End up going 3-4 for the road trip, which is acceptable. Need a 4-2 or 5-1 homestand now. Feel the mediocrity.
Aaron Rowand is the farging man
When Rowand made the catch my daughter turned to me and said, 'did he break his face again, Dad?'
:-D
fla and atl are gonna own the phils...then you got the nationals who are on fire.....by then this madness will stop
Just because IGY predicted that I'm thinkin 4-2 in the next two series.
I forgot how great those Nationals are.
I'm not going to say that the Phils season is turned around and now they are going to catch fire because of one quality win, that would be stupid. But to try to detract from it and point to other teams' successes to try and de-value it is silly. Who fargin' cares. Just watch and enjoy it play out. Win or lose.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 07:13:48 PM
fla and atl are gonna own the phils...then you got the nationals who are on fire.....by then this madness will stop
Give it a rest IGY. How many of your predictions have to go tits up before you stop making them? Put a number on the W-L this time as well, shouldn't be a problem, as you are going to be right as usual.
Everyone in this thread knows the team is average at best, no one is pimping them as a Wild Card surprise.
Florida sucks. Atlanta will probably sweep.
Too bad they wont see Scott Olsen this series.
2/3 from FLA and then the Braves stick a red hot fire poker up their asses and sweep.
The Nats always play them tough.
I missed Rowand's catch....link?!?
It's on Phillies.com
No Olsen, no Smoltz, no Hudson and no Renteria, but hey, I'm not allowed to look at that stuff cause igy gets mad
VandenKirk vs. Moyer
Willis vs. Lohse
Mitre vs. Kendrick
Lance Cormier vs. Hamels
Chuck James vs. Eaton (maybe Durbin)
? vs. Moyer
4-2 is a must, can't be losing series to bad teams like Florida or a team they're right there with like Atlanta.
2007
4th place 2.5 games out of wild card
2006
5th place 3.5 games out of wild card
lol at all you homers lookin at "stuff"
i laugh at you now
and i will laugh even harder at you in a month and a half
you hear only what you want to hear, jamal. none of us think the phils are winning anything, but that isnt stoping us from following and wondering. its the fun of sports.
Pablo Escobar will be the guy who owns the Phils when they play ATL.
Hey Chuck James vs. Eaton again...I was at the game in April when those two horses squared off and it was like 3 degrees and snowing. Good times.
It's going to be a crying shame when the Phils let Rowand walk after this year. He has been money for months. They better farging pay that man. Give him a blank check so he can buy all the seashell necklaces in the world, I don't care. The only way I don't miss him is if they sign Torii Hunter, and he'll be a Yankee so that ain't happening.
Sign Rowand. Kill Billy Beane.
You and your Torrii Hunter hard on. They should keep Rowand, but shouldn't overpay for him. Pitching, pitching, pitching. They need pitching.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 05, 2007, 09:40:13 PM
It's going to be a crying shame when the Phils let Rowand walk after this year. He has been money for months. They better farging pay that man. Give him a blank check so he can buy all the seashell necklaces in the world, I don't care. The only way I don't miss him is if they sign Torii Hunter, and he'll be a Yankee so that ain't happening.
Sign Rowand. Kill Billy Beane.
he was playing this way before he smashed his face on the wall, as well. so it's not like he's a contract year wonder
Yes, me and Torii have an affair going on.
Pay Rowand and then go overpay for some washed up SPs like Adam Eaton and a bullpen guy or two.
none of us think the phils are winning anything, but that isnt stoping us from following and wondering.
so you know they arent gonna win but youre gonna get all excited about wins and the weeks pitching match ups
phillie fans are fun
I was just looking at the Phils' website, and at risk of sounding disrespectful of the dead, what in the world did John Vukovich really do to be on the Phils' Wall of Fame?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 05, 2007, 09:55:50 PM
I was just looking at the Phils' website, and at risk of sounding disrespectful of the dead, what in the world did John Vukovich really do to be on the Phils' Wall of Fame?
Longest tenured coach in Phillies history?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 05, 2007, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 05, 2007, 09:55:50 PM
I was just looking at the Phils' website, and at risk of sounding disrespectful of the dead, what in the world did John Vukovich really do to be on the Phils' Wall of Fame?
Longest tenured coach in Phillies history?
That's about it. Other than the few years he went with Dallas Green to the Cubs, he was with the Phils for something close to 30 years. But is that enough?
Just look at the Wall of Fame:
Mike Schmidt... Richie Ashburn... Steve Carlton... Robin Roberts... John Vukovich
One of these is not like the others.
worked under and put up with the worst ownership in the history of baseball?
tho he was far from the only person that did that
basiclaly geo youre correct
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 10:07:07 PM
worked under and put up with the worst ownership in the history of baseball?
tho he was far from the only person that did that
basiclaly geo youre correct
And in the end, they treated him like dogshtein.
they really did
just another black mark in a long line of disgraceful showings by this operation
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 10:14:16 PM
they really did
just another black mark in a long line of disgraceful showings by this operation
Agreed.
Although, you're still a dumbfarg for your predictions. :evil
Vuk gave himself cancer to get out of coaching 3rd.
Although, you're still a dumbfarg for your predictions
see you playin golf in october
i thought you were better than the other phillie sheep...no wait...no i didnt....
The ownership and management would make a great Hall of Shame.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 10:27:34 PM
Although, you're still a dumbfarg for your predictions
see you playin golf in october
i thought you were better than the other phillie sheep...no wait...no i didnt....
I enjoy watching them play. I hate management, but I still love watching baseball.
you love watching women beaters?
I want to punch Amaro in the face. Smug prick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 10:39:42 PM
you love watching women beaters?
You DO watch the NFL, right Mr. Hypocrite?
only the eagles
so until brett myers starts punting im pretty much golden
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 10:47:53 PM
only the eagles
so until brett myers starts punting im pretty much golden
Yet, you know SO much about SO many players on ALL other teams.
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Brett Myers > Dirk Johnson.
Fact.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 05, 2007, 10:52:22 PM
Brett Myers > Dirk Johnson.
Fact.
Sure, he just imagines the ball is his wife's head a la The Waterboy
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Ha. Wheels looks John Madden-ish in that comic.
What the hell was that.
New fan group at the game:
"Tadahito's Burritos"
......
The guy does look Mexican. If his name wasn't Tadahito Iguchi I wouldn't even guess that he was Japanese.
You know you're having a bad night on the mound when a 80 year old pitcher hits an RBI double off you
Up 7 at home. Usually, the bullpen will keep that lead. Usually.
They won. Where is igy with those lethal Marlins.
aug 8 2007
3rd place wild card 2.0 games back
aug 8 2006
6th place wild card 3.5 games back
aug 8 2005
3rd place wild card 2.5 games back
wake me up when they make the playoffs please...until then you remain real tired
Then how about you leave this thread until then?
dont get mad cause you can see them going down the exact same path as the last five years...the only difference btwn me and you right now if you cant admit whats going to happen...
trust me where youre now is where i have been...its not a happy place and its very difficult to get out of...but once you do its like getting a bump of raw medicine...heavenly
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 08:31:40 AM
dont get mad cause you can see them going down the exact same path as the last five years...the only difference btwn me and you right now if you cant admit whats going to happen...
trust me where youre now is where i have been...its not a happy place and its very difficult to get out of...but once you do its like getting a bump of raw medicine...heavenly
Is that medicine the Uncut Raw?
is there any other kind?
I still don't see the point of being unendingly cynical about something you have no control over. I don't think there's a Phillies fan alive who doesn't expect another meltdown or disaster. That's a given. Your propensity for reiterating it over and over is what's annoying, IGY.
Whatever, though. If you get your jollies by forecasting tales of woe here and subsequently saying "see, I told you so" afterwards, have at it. It won't make you any more right than you have been in the past, though.
:)
how does durbin get a save last night when the phils won by 10?
Quote from: phattymatty on August 08, 2007, 11:33:44 AM
how does durbin get a save last night when the phils won by 10?
They said since he pitched 3 innings, its the up's decision, and for whatever reason they rewarded him with it.
when you pitch 3 innings in relief and finish the game it's automatic
really? even if you have a 10 run lead? thats retarded.
I still don't see the point of being unendingly cynical about something you have no control over.
not cynical....obvious
I don't think there's a Phillies fan alive who doesn't expect another meltdown or disaster.
have you read this thread or gone to a phillies game in the last two months...clearly not
If you get your jollies by forecasting tales of woe here and subsequently saying "see, I told you so" afterwards, have at it. It won't make you any more right than you have been in the past, though.
yeah its real tough prediciting that the phillies wont make the playoffs this year...and i should be stabbed in the urethra if i took any credit for it...this is not about making easy predicitons...its about the many people who think a playoff birth can actually happen
igy is great. he hears what he wants to hear. just because peoples talk phils and discuss them with optimism that it could mean something, despite knowing they're farging shteinbag losers destined for 2nd place, means they still think the phils can pull this off. it further proves his point and gets him jollyingly laugh about how much smarter he is than anybody else, even though everyone agrees with him. its igy, folks. its igy.
if i was much smarter than everyone else i wouldnt have done to myself for three years what youre still doing...im just trying to lead you to the light...believe me its a much better place to be....
you can only be hurt so many times
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Here's the save rule:
QuoteRule 10.20 Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
(1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
(2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
(3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
(a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or
(b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or
(c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings.
No more than one save may be credited in each game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 01:47:24 PM
if i was much smarter than everyone else i wouldnt have done to myself for three years what youre still doing...im just trying to lead you to the light...believe me its a much better place to be....
you can only be hurt so many times
Everyone sees the light. You can shut the farg up about it now.
/\ /\ /\ /\
Listen to this man IGY.
i am the light...see me
Everyone sees the light
not even close
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 04:12:48 PM
not even close
Drop some names. Name someone who has posted in the last ten pages of this thread that think the Sillies will make it to the postseason.
Preaching to the choir.
i think they'll make it.
go phillies!!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 08, 2007, 01:56:10 PM
(c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings.
That's the part of the rule I didn't know at all. But, still, who defines "effectively"? What if Durbin allowed 9 runs but the team still won?
I think "effectively" would just mean to not give up the lead.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 08, 2007, 04:55:50 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 08, 2007, 01:56:10 PM
(c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings.
That's the part of the rule I didn't know at all. But, still, who defines "effectively"? What if Durbin allowed 9 runs but the team still won?
By and large, if they hold the lead during the three innings, they get the save. Ultimately, I believe it is at the discretion of the official scorer.
Here's the shocking story of the season... Utley and Bourn (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070808_Utleys_return_could_be_delayed.html) could be out longer than the Phillies first projected.
Bourn is useless once they get Victorino back. In fact, Werth is just about productive as him. So who needs Bourn. But Utley, yea, boss needs to get back soon.
shut up about bourn, you're clueless
the fact that you would even think Werth is as productive shows how clueless you are
Name someone who has posted in the last ten pages of this thread that think the Sillies will make it to the postseason.
i dont know how many think they will...but i would venture to say every single person on this board outside of myself thinks they can...and that makes me sad...thats where i have been in the past and it pains me to see people i care about putting themselves thru something so painful
willis with the 2-run jack
Phils counter with 3 in the bottom half
4-2 after 3
Kyle Freaking Lohse is pitching for the Phils right now. Who could rightfully feel any confidence about this team?
Fatty with the CF shot....4-3
Quote from: SunMo on August 08, 2007, 07:23:43 PM
shut up about bourn, you're clueless
the fact that you would even think Werth is as productive shows how clueless you are
I have a great idea. Let's start a slap hitting singles hitter with a complete lack of talent.
they wont know what they have with bourn until he is the opening day centerfielder next year...i honestly cant get a read on him...he could be a lifetime AAA call up or a major league leadoff hitter...i see enough in him tho to give him a shot next year...what do they have to lose
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 08, 2007, 08:22:37 PM
they wont know what they have with bourn until he is the opening day centerfielder next year...i honestly cant get a read on him...he could be a lifetime AAA call up or a major league leadoff hitter...i see enough in him tho to give him a shot next year...what do they have to lose
Aaron Rowand?
dodgers is my prediction
The Phils won't spend too much. Gotta resign Howard and Hamels, probably will go after a new 3B and some new parts to the pen. They are contractually locked into rotation (King, Myers, Kednrick, Eaton, Moyer), so you'd have to eat some money or something to make a change there. And remember, they have that self imposed salary cap so Claire Bents can still afford her delux country club membership.
King, Myers, Kednrick, Eaton, Moyer
lol
and thats if myers becomes a starter again...which is unlikely...and if that happens then double lol
Myers should be moved back there. Not like they gonna resign Lohse or pay money for someone else.
Rowand goes yard to CF. 6-3 Sillies.
It will be a crying farging shame if they let Rowand out of Philly without a fight.
I was thinking the same thing. The Phils need to at least offer him a boatload of cash or else it will be a crying shame. I don't care if Bourn is ready or not; Rowand is just absolutely clutch and hits so well in the 5 spot. The Phils needed to create some separation and he comes up with a HR.
It sucks he'll be gone in two months.
So is Moyer under contract for next year too? I thought it was only a one year deal? Is it an option or an additional year? I guess when you pitch 75 MPH you don't have to worry about your arm falling off.
It's somewhere around $5.75M for 2008
ha....Abe Nunez with 2 IBBs in one game
moyer has another year to go
and i agree myers should and basically has to be put in the rotation....but everything the phils have said indicates he wont be
lol @ burrells face on that knee plant
Quote from: MDS on August 08, 2007, 08:20:20 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 08, 2007, 07:23:43 PM
shut up about bourn, you're clueless
the fact that you would even think Werth is as productive shows how clueless you are
I have a great idea. Let's start a slap hitting singles hitter with a complete lack of talent.
you fact that you completely blow off his speed and defense when you say he has a "complete lack of talent" shows how much you really understand about putting a complete baseball team on the field
Myers already is sporting the closer look with the overgrown facial hair cropped in a funky fashion. Plus he says he likes to contribute close to on a daily basis instead of every five days so I'm guessing he may want to try and close. He would be a great closer with the stuff that he has considering he can just let it rip for an inning, but he also has the potential to go deep into games, so I'm not sure if he would be better in the starting rotation next year or trying to close out games.
It depends on what garbage the Phils bring in to the fold this off-season.
He has a noodle arm and who cares about his speed if he can't get on base.
what a pathetic at bat by Howard
Gordon in. I love that they still run him out there.
Burrell's really struggling batting in the 3 hole, who would have predicted that?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 05, 2007, 01:10:36 PM
Makes sense but he should have put Rowand in the 3 hole with Burrell batting 5th. I just don't like messing with Burrell when he's on fire. Hope I'm wrong but I see Burrell with 3 K's today. Too much pressure.
i wanna rip someone for that play, but it's hard to, it was pretty much the right play all around
most exciting 4-pitch inning ever
wow he was nasty tonight
don't nights like this make you think he should stay a closer?
Good win. Makes me feel a little better with the Phils going against the Braves. But not by much.
Myers throws such a great curve. It has such a great 12 to 6 break.
They can find another closer. It's more important to have good starting pitching.
if they sign four quality starters this offseason then id be fine with him at closer next year...this year it was absolutely the wrong move
Quote from: MDS on August 08, 2007, 10:04:21 PM
They can find another closer.
lol
i'm sure you and they said the same thing when Billy Wagner walked out the door
Phils moved back to 2nd place again with the Braves choke job. Bases loaded, 0 outs vs Wagner and they didn't score anything...
Brewers lost
Dodgers lost
Cubs about to get swept
Padres losing
But I can't get excited or anything...
daily update:
aug 9 2007 second place 1 game back wild card
aug 9 2005 third place 1.5 games back wild card
I don't know. Closers are usually underrated. The Phils need someone that they can turn to and say "game over". And Myers is that sort of pitcher.
However, with the FA market in pitching this year, I don't know if there would be any pitchers close to Myers caliber out there. Let alone the Phils signing 3 of them.
Fargin' Eaton. Should have just tried to keep Wolf more to at least have another lefty in the starting rotation.
Wolf's been on the DL since July 4th with a bad shoulder.
Which is probably still more effective than Eaton...
From Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=Ak09m1lmG50wBuF_p1hFssy4u7YF?gid=270808122):
QuotePHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Some closers hear the music of heavy metal bands or the ominous tolling of bells as the bullpen door swings open and they jog to the mound to finish off another game.
Brett Myers got KC and the Sunshine Band. And that is not the way, uh huh, uh huh, he likes it.
Finding an appropriate theme song for Myers was about the only thing Philadelphia needed to worry about on another sticky night.
...
With what was left of a sweaty crowd poised to celebrate another Phillies win, Myers entered the ninth to the popular 1970s disco hit "(Shake, Shake, Shake) Shake Your Booty." The choice infuriated Myers, who has yet to pick a song, and he took his anger out on Florida by striking out the side to end the game.
"It (ticked) me off. Can't you tell?" Myers said.
He had a good start to the season. I wasn't aware that he was on the shelf.
I'm just more angry that Eaton is getting paid a ridiculous amount of money for the next two years (I think) and it will purportedly limit what the Phils can do in FA since, if anything, his salary will command a roster spot. Not sure if it is one more with an option or two more with an option for a fourth.
Baseball is tough. The playoffs are so short and has the fewest amount of teams compared to other sports that, in practice, it seems like the "post-season" starts in late September for teams that are still in it. I feel a wave of optimism with the way the Phils are playing in the absence of Utley and Victorino, but looking at the volume and quality of the teams still in it that optimism becomes more cautioned.
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Quote from: Eaglez on August 09, 2007, 09:19:51 AM
He had a good start to the season. I wasn't aware that he was on the shelf.
I'm just more angry that Eaton is getting paid a ridiculous amount of money for the next two years (I think) and it will purportedly limit what the Phils can do in FA since, if anything, his salary will command a roster spot. Not sure if it is one more with an option or two more with an option for a fourth.
Baseball is tough. The playoffs are so short and has the fewest amount of teams compared to other sports that, in practice, it seems like the "post-season" starts in late September for teams that are still in it. I feel a wave of optimism with the way the Phils are playing in the absence of Utley and Victorino, but looking at the volume and quality of the teams still in it that optimism becomes more cautioned.
Yeah, he did well through the beginning of June (starting 7-3), but had a rough month before going on the DL. He ended up 9-6 with a 4.73.
Right now, Eaton is 9-7 with a 6.03 ERA. Awful. Only the highest scoring offense in the NL would give him a winning record.
I actually got to watch the whole game last night. I'll echo the sentiments about Burrell's ridiculous attempt on that ball and Myers coming in and just killing it.
Has anyone else mentioned that choke dog basically just waved at the ball all night long? Maybe they should just bench his fat ass any time it's hot and humid and there's a lefty starting, because he basically looked like he was trying to get seated in the dugout as soon as possible.
Oh, and even though Rowand's homer made it a non-issue, the look look at his hit into the left field corner is bush league stuff. Only getting a single out of that is a joke.
Myers looks farging unstoppable last night. Hitters that came up against him looked totally baffled.
Also, holy shtein, did Ryan Howard looks like ass. I forget which pitcher it was, Tankerhans or some shtein, that threw him three straight sliders, the last two that Howard whiffed awfully on looked like he didn't even bother to extend his arms to try and make contact. His second plate appearance he looked like he just wanted to call it quits.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 09, 2007, 09:12:28 AMWolf's been on the DL since July 4th with a bad shoulder...
...and will probably be shut down for the year...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 09, 2007, 11:11:36 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 09, 2007, 09:12:28 AMWolf's been on the DL since July 4th with a bad shoulder...
...and will probably be shut down for the year...
If he was still with the Phillies, a bear would have mauled him in spring training and he would have lost his pitching arm. No joke.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 09, 2007, 10:51:26 AM
Oh, and even though Rowand's homer made it a non-issue, the look look at his hit into the left field corner is bush league stuff. Only getting a single out of that is a joke.
He lost sight of it and thought it went foul. Was pretty obvious when they showed the replay.
QuotePhillies acquire Branyan from Indians
August 9, 2007
PHILADELPHIA (TICKER) -- The Philadelphia Phillies on Thursday acquired utility man Russell Branyan from the Cleveland Indians for cash considerations.
Branyan, 31, began the season with the San Diego Padres and hit .197 with seven home runs and 19 RBI in 61 games before being released on July 28. He was signed by the Cleveland Indians on Tuesday and assigned to Class AAA Buffalo, where he appeared in one game.
A lefthanded hitter, Branyan has a career average of .229 with 118 home runs and 293 RBI in 688 games for the Indians, Cincinnati Reds, Milwaukee Brewers, Tampa Bay Devil Rays and Padres.
The Phillies will make a corresponding roster move prior to Thursday's game against the Florida Marlins.
Years ago he was a hot prospect. He has some power and we gave up nothing.
He won ROY for me in MVP Baseball 2003
fascinating
Doesn't this dude strike out more than anyone in history?
other than choke dog yes
419 career hits.
734 career stirkeouts.
He'll fit right in in Philly.
ha...are those really his numbers?
they are obscene
what are his spousal abuse stats?
10 shirts
27 wrinkles
4 ER visits
who is gonna be optioned for this clown...there cant be anyone on the team worse/less valuable than him
charlie manuel?
hmmm...good point
probably geary
Branyan was one of Charlie's guys in Cleveland. He's a better LH option off the bench than Nunez, but that's about it...
no hes not...cause nunez is a very good fielder...and branyan isnt even a better hitter...he provides more pop than nunez off the bench...but thats if he can connect with the ball
doesnt much matter hes gone as soon as victorino and or utley comes off the dl
If he makes contact the ball can leave the yard in that little league field. whatever, its a non-issue move. hes a better pinch hitter than rod barajas or abraham nunez, so he wins.
no hes not a better pinch hitter than nunez...to be a good hitter you have to actually be able to hit the ball...hes a .225 career hitter with almost double the amount of strikeouts to hits...thats as bad as it gets...
plus abe is a switch hitter
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 09, 2007, 11:28:26 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 09, 2007, 10:51:26 AM
Oh, and even though Rowand's homer made it a non-issue, the look look at his hit into the left field corner is bush league stuff. Only getting a single out of that is a joke.
He lost sight of it and thought it went foul. Was pretty obvious when they showed the replay.
No shtein, Sherlock. My point is that if he did not know where the ball was, he should have been running instead of standing at the plate hoping to find the ball with his eyes.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 09, 2007, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 09, 2007, 11:28:26 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 09, 2007, 10:51:26 AM
Oh, and even though Rowand's homer made it a non-issue, the look look at his hit into the left field corner is bush league stuff. Only getting a single out of that is a joke.
He lost sight of it and thought it went foul. Was pretty obvious when they showed the replay.
No shtein, Sherlock. My point is that if he did not know where the ball was, he should have been running instead of standing at the plate hoping to find the ball with his eyes.
So every time he hits what he thinks is a foul ball he should take off for first? Makes sense.
In a one-run game? Yes.
Are his testicles delicious? He was dogging it all night last night, and you look like an idiot defending him.
this is a fantastic argument
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 09, 2007, 03:36:56 PM
In a one-run game? Yes.
Are his testicles delicious? He was dogging it all night last night, and you look like an idiot defending him.
He looked like shtein lastnight, I'm not arguing that. He lost the ball and thought it went foul. He wasn't 'dogging' it at that point.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 09, 2007, 03:32:52 PM
So every time he hits what he thinks is a foul ball he should take off for first? Makes sense.
If he made contact with the ball, and had no idea where it went, then yeah, it makes total sense to runs towards first. He'd look like less of an ass if it was foul and he ran than he looked last night.
^^^
exactly
unless you know 100% the ball is out of play then you run..i learned that in little league
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2007, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 09, 2007, 01:31:27 PMHe's a better LH option off the bench than Nunez...
no hes not...cause nunez is a very good fielder
uhhh
I'm talking about a pinch-hitting role where you want more power than Abe and his awesome 0 HRs. Abe is the better contact hitter (on all those grounders to the pitcher or to 2nd), but Branyan has the better chance of tying or winning a game in one swing...
If Branyan comes off the bench and hits one PH home run it will be a good move. They gave up nothing. He's just fodder. I think he was an unnecessary pick-up because Werth is playing well and the Phils have Dobbs coming off the bench to start certain games and pinch hit in clutch situations. So whatever. It's not worth splitting hairs because I don't know if there is anyone off waivers that would be worth trying to pick up now in place of Branyan.
When Dobbs starts, he becomes their best LH option. Great.
if dog flails at one more low and outside pitch someone needs to smash his face in
roy clutch
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 05, 2007, 07:13:48 PM
fla and atl are gonna own the phils...then you got the nationals who are on fire.....by then this madness will stop
yo kid own up to your wrong doings
yeah like the white sox earlier in the year i vastly overestimated the marlins...theyve quit
since your in the apologetic mood, let's admit how crappy the wire really is.
NO
Do a simple google search with a TV show and then sucks after it. Any semi-popular show you will find on the mark hits, perhaps even web pages devoted to it. But not the The Wire. You get "The Wire sucks you in" and "copper wire sucks" but nothing anti-The Wire. Greatest show ever, even the googles agree.
Myers is shteinting the bed.
What in the hell is going on this inning?
- Not prepared to play a bunt.
- Bases loaded, no one out, infield is back.
- Runners on corners, one out, infield is in.
charlie had no business bringing myers in...stupid on so many levels
Myers caught some bad breaks but he let the leadoff runner get on and he walked whatshisname on 4 pitches when he was giving up an out
Myers looked like shtein. All his fastballs were high and that breaking ball which was unhittable lastnight looked very average.
dooks pitched a handful of times in the last three months
hes working himself in after an injury
he pitched last night
it wasnt a save situation
and charlie brings him
not to mention hes taken him out of play for tomorrow nite in what is the series of the year thus far for the team
Seriously, the point isn't that Myers looked like complete shtein, which is true, why the farg was he even in? It was 2-2. Say he got the hold, the Phils BOTTOM of the order was coming up. So they score zip, it's still knotted up, does Charlie trot his "closer" back out there? farging moron. That bullshtein alone should be good enough to fire him. What a farging idiot Manuel is. Christ. Just turned the abortion off.
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His double switch was just pointless. If Rollins walks and Iguchi walks, the bases are loaded for Nunez. Come on. Anything who thinks theyre winning anything with that manager needs to be got.
Kyle Kendrick is the real deal. As of right now he's our 2nd best starter.
Hamels-Kendrick-???-???-???
Two of those slots are probably filled with Eaton and Moyer. Can't wait for next year.
Nothing wrong with Moyer being the #4 or so until his arm falls off.
Eaton being anything but a #5 is brutal.
wow if kendrick is a two next year they are in more trouble than i even imagined
Don't worry. I heard Mitch Williams is coming back to close games.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2007, 03:03:05 PM
wow if kendrick is a two next year they are in more trouble than i even imagined
number two or number three...it doesnt matter what number you tag him for. The only slots that matter are #1 (for opening day, your ace, match up with the opponents ace...etc....) and your #5 (because they get skipped the most often if you have a manager that uses the off day to skip a weak pitcher). Kendrick has the stuff to be in the rotation next year. He's not an ace by any means, but he's no worse than just about every other FA starting pitcher you will whine about the phillies won't sign.
Right now he's the second best started the phils have.
kendrick has no stuff...he gives up more hits than innings and cant strike me out...at some point he will be caught up to and taken down a few notches to the #5 pitcher he is...it will probably be this year but if not then next
the bottom line is if this guy is in the top three of the rotation next year its another missed playoff year
barring a trade, it's: king, wife beater, moyer, kendrick, eaton
playoffs be gone.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2007, 03:10:39 PM
kendrick has no stuff...he gives up more hits than innings and cant strike me out...at some point he will be caught up to and taken down a few notches to the #5 pitcher he is...it will probably be this year but if not then next
the bottom line is if this guy is in the top three of the rotation next year its another missed playoff year
Would've happened already imo. He's had 11 starts which is more than enough for teams to get a good scouting report on him. I know, at some point he's gonna have a bad game and you're going to say over and over how bad he is...I can already see the 'I told you so'. He's a location pitcher - not a strikeout guy. I'll take a low era over k's all day every day. And as of right now, he's pitching better than all of our starters (except Hamels of course).
And for the sake of argument, yes they need another starter. An ace or at least a solid #2 is the most pressing offseason need.
he hasnt faced any team more than once and hasnt faced more than half the league at all
maybe hes a top of the rotation guy...i dont see it tho...and its waaaaaay to early to annoint him as such...11 career starts?....come on
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2007, 03:33:14 PM
he hasnt faced any team more than once and hasnt faced more than half the league at all
maybe hes a top of the rotation guy...i dont see it tho...and its waaaaaay to early to annoint him as such...11 career starts?....come on
Top of the rotation guy? Hell no, that's not what I meant. I see him as a solid #3/#4 on a good team (3 on the Phils). As of right now, he's #2 behind Hamels. Moyer would get the nod come playoff time (hypothetically if they made it) but as of right now Kendrick is our 2nd best starter. Every start he's given the given the team a chance to win.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 10, 2007, 03:10:39 PM
kendrick has no stuff...he gives up more hits than innings and cant strike me out...at some point he will be caught up to and taken down a few notches to the #5 pitcher he is...it will probably be this year but if not then next
the bottom line is if this guy is in the top three of the rotation next year its another missed playoff year
Ok...he's given up 71 hits, in 69.2 innings. only walked 17 batters. his WHIP is 1.27, not a bad number.
Don't forget he also has given up more than 5 ER once.
He's a solid pitcher.
Top of the rotation guy? Hell no, that's not what I meant. I see him as a solid #3/#4 on a good team (3 on the Phils). As of right now, he's #2 behind Hamels. Moyer would get the nod come playoff time (hypothetically if they made it) but as of right now Kendrick is our 2nd best starter. Every start he's given the given the team a chance to win.
i guess i misunderstood you what you meant when you said hes the "real deal"...i also consider the top of the rotation the top 3
im not saying he hasnt gone far above what anyone could have expected...and im not daying he wont be the phils #2 next year....im saying if he is they are in big big trouble...i like the kid hes got a ton of moxy...i just think he has borderline major league stuff and at some point hes gonna get exposed...
i wasnt or didnt mean to speak ill of him more so the phillies chances next year if hes a key cog in their rotation
I wouldn't mind Kendrick as a bottom of the rotation guy next year. His sinker ball induces a lot of ground outs which is needed in CBP -- where a long fly ball can turn into a HR.
That being said, The Phils will only have a roster spot open for one more starting pitcher, considering Eaton's salary will demand a spot in the starting rotation and Moyer is still getting paid a cool $5 million next year. And in all likelihood, if Myers proves that he cannot be consistent as a closer every night, he might be moved back to the rotation.
So the earlier prediction of Hamels, Myers, Kendrick, Moyer, Eaton for next year's rotation sounds very plausible. Which doesn't really strike me as much of a top of the line rotation. It really depends on a lot of things (Moyer's effectiveness, whether Eaton can stop throwing meatballs down the plate, Kendrick adjusting to hitters adjusting to him, etc.)
But one thing Kendrick has is a good demeanor. He doesn't seem to get rattled, keeps the team in games, and usually pitches out of jams well.
yeah its almost uncanny how kendrick gets out of games...he gives up a decent number of baserunners but somehow always seems to escape the big inning
I'm still unsure of what to do with Myers. They need a starter but Myers seems to love the closing role and his stuff is nasty in one inning. Though more nights like last and... :boom
Holy shtein. Braves bat around in the FIRST. Hamels getting lit up. 4-0 Braves after half an inning.
Let the reality check begin.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 10, 2007, 07:56:44 PM
Holy shtein. Braves bat around in the FIRST. Hamels getting lit up. 4-0 Braves after half an inning.
Let the reality check begin.
And just like that its 4-4.
Hamels will settle down.
What the farg? :o
That was nuts. Talk about answering.
way to shut up those tbs homers wes!
Stop cheering...it's futile...igy says so...
Rowand out of the game with blurred vision. Howard is protected by Roberson the rest of the night...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2007, 08:17:38 PM
Rowand out of the game with blurred vision. Howard is protected by Roberson the rest of the night...
Blurred vision from what?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 10, 2007, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2007, 08:17:38 PM
Rowand out of the game with blurred vision. Howard is protected by Roberson the rest of the night...
Blurred vision from what?
Semen overdose.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 10, 2007, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 10, 2007, 08:17:38 PM
Rowand out of the game with blurred vision. Howard is protected by Roberson the rest of the night...
Blurred vision from what?
Got hit in the eye with a seashell chip.
Hamels has settled down nicely. Unfortunately the Phils lineup is totatlly farged.
Oh, and Roberson sucks cock.
true, but the braves broadcast team suck more than cock. i really want to punch something listening to those dweebs.
Fortunately, I'm listening to Harry Kalas tonight.
Unfortunately, I'm also being subjected to Chris F'n Wheeler.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 10, 2007, 09:32:35 PM
Fortunately, I'm listening to Harry Kalas tonight.
Unfortunately, I'm also being subjected to Chris F'n Wheeler.
braves crew just said "Phillies bullpen is really good". And I wasn't going to drink tonight.
lighter fluid + pile of wood + match = Charlie after tonight's game.
removing romero?
Quote from: Don Ho on August 10, 2007, 09:34:23 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 10, 2007, 09:32:35 PM
Fortunately, I'm listening to Harry Kalas tonight.
Unfortunately, I'm also being subjected to Chris F'n Wheeler.
braves crew just said "Phillies bullpen is really good". And I wasn't going to drink tonight.
Is that Pete Van Wieren and Skip Caray? They're horrible. Almost make me turn off the game (and I do if the Braves get a big lead - even if it doesn't include the Phils).
Quote from: Don Ho on August 10, 2007, 09:37:31 PM
lighter fluid + pile of wood + match = Charlie after tonight's game.
removing romero?
After he dominates the first two hitters... to bring in Ol' Six Fingers.
whew
Yeah that was incredibly lucky. Romero has been nothing but stellar since coming to the Phils to put in six fingers. Cholly is lucky that didn't come back and bite him in the ass.
I understand why he did it, but when your bullpen sucks and Romero got two outs in a handful of pitches and has a good track record, you keep him in. Especially since he was pitching so well against righties and another righty was coming up.
Watch Howard make a trip back to the DL now too.
One more thing -- I think the Phils are utterly incapable of "manufacturing" a run.
And now Gordon can't get the ball over the darn plate.
Rooting for Philadelphia teams is going to kill me someday.
Gordon threw about 30 pitches in the 9th 2 of them being strikes and somehow got the save. He sucks. Balls.
I actually favored Mesa
Yeah. Gordon got some help with Atlanta swinging at some bad pitches. I don't think he threw a strike -- Atlanta was just impatient.
A win is a win, but Gordon is scaring me right now.
i'm just scared period.
Eventually Myers can pitch on 3 days in a row, and odds on need your close 4 days in a row are slim. So this shouldn't be too bad, that is, until Gordon blows a game in the 8th.
There was a group of Braves fans at the Pub tonight who were pissing and moaning in the 9th over the balls & strikes calls.
I had some fun with them.
It was entertaining to me and those around me. You all care.
there were a couple brutal calls for them in the 9th...normally the ump calls the low strikes OR the high strikes...in that 9th inning he called strikes on balls that were too high and too low
Without the generous calls, Gordon may not have thrown any strikes whatsoever.
he looked to em like he was hurtin...like he couldnt come over the top with that shoulder...but his velocity was at 92-93 which isnt bad at all
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2007, 07:36:06 AM
there were a couple brutal calls for them in the 9th...normally the ump calls the low strikes OR the high strikes...in that 9th inning he called strikes on balls that were too high and too low
the bad calls went Both ways.
personally i think more went against the philadelphia team....they always do
haha
Is it wrong of me to think Vuk's widow looked hot in that short dress last night?
:paranoid
it would be wrong of you to not think that
There's a photo of her on the Phillies website where she's speaking and Mike Schmidt is standing in the background giving her the once over.
I swear he's thinking about farging her right then and there.
ummm dont think for a second im going to look for that...but you can at anytime feel free to post a pic here...really youre a horrible person for not already doing so
I would if I knew how to copy and paste photos from a Flash player.
I don't, though, so no.
Just go to the Phillies home page and look for the second of six photo boxes in the news section and click on it. Seriously, the more I look at the photo the funnier it looks. Schmidt had to have tagged that in the past. He was a notorious tail hound back in the day.
(http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/images/2007/08/10/tUnPR2Il.jpg)
yikes romey
::)
what the farg is wrong with you dooks
Hahaha. Here it is.
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Schmidtter!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 11, 2007, 10:04:32 AM
Is it wrong of me to think Vuk's widow looked hot in that short dress last night?
BAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:puke x infinity
Romey's in da house, bangin your momzzzzzzzzzzz.
She looks somewhat like my mother. Which makes sense, since she's about the same age.
She should have gotten the full-service body treatment when she got the boob job.
here's another pic
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/ba/180px-Talesfromthecrypt2.jpg)
Is it wrong of me to be thinking about Geo's mom right now?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 11, 2007, 10:31:00 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 11, 2007, 10:04:32 AM
Is it wrong of me to think Vuk's widow looked hot in that short dress last night?
BAN!!!!!
:puke x infinity
Damn right...what happened to you rome? Remember all the hot Moms from Disney on ice at the Eagles tailgate? Vuks widow was slurring during her speech, she may have popped 1 too many vicodins.
The daughter was cute, she had dark features. And one of the sons girlfriends was bangable.
I do not discriminate based on age. If a broad is slutty looking, has a nice rack and a nice set of pins, I'll hit it.
You ageists make me sick. Shame on you all.
Her body is fine for a women her age, but Sun had it right with the Crypt keeper pic.
I'd rub my dong between her sweater kittens.
You're all sick. She needs a face lift, then she'll be bangable.
Padres lost today, so the Phils can tie for the wildcard lead with a win tonight...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 11, 2007, 06:43:55 PM
Padres lost today, so the Phils can tie for the wildcard lead with a win tonight...
Don't count on it, 4-0 nothing Braves after Burrell and Eaton put on a
'how to suck at baseball clinic."
Eaton is horrendous. Put him down.
Eaton seems to give a 5 spot to EVERY team in the first couple of innings.
He is atrocious. :boom
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting!
Choke. Dawg.
Just take a friggin' walk. If they don't give you anything to hit then it is bases loaded with no outs for Rowand who is actually clutch. Not one pitch in that sequence was worth swinging at. Friggin' A.
first and third no out, howard up, rowand up, farg a duck
if i proposed to my wife wearing a phillie phanatic outfit in public, her reaction? "farg off dork". That chick was pretty cute.
Both Mets and Padres win.
Quote from: SunMo on August 11, 2007, 10:41:37 AM
here's another pic
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I just sharted at the truth and hilarity of that.
That said, I'd be Bonnie Vuk's houseboy for a day for a minimal sum of money.
Nice start by the home team on national TV tonight.
what a great 3rd base coach they have
Burrell is so farging slow, but come now, Smith just sucks.
Quote from: SunMo on August 12, 2007, 08:35:44 PM
what a great 3rd base coach they have
My gracious, a three-toed sloth can run faster than Pat Burrell.
The ball got to home, I took a nice drink of my beer, then Burrell came onto the screen.
and another one
good god! my 80 year old mother moves faster than that.
i would pay to see Werth, Burrell and Helms in a 100 yard dash. bring a sundial time them.
How many guys does Steve Smith have to get thrown out at home by a country mile before he finds his ass unemployed?
Steve Smith deserves nothing but SARS.
Victorino and Utely are the only ones with balls on this team to try and run a catcher over, everyone else just gives up at home like a bitch when they are thrown out by a mile
Steve Smith is a football player.
It's too bad he wasn't killed on the set of one of the movies his best pal Kurt Russell got him a part as an extra in.
CHOKE DAWG WITH THE BLAST!
4-2 Bums
I'm betting the bullpen gives up a few so that Howard has a chance to prove himself as choke dawg later in the game.
Still, that was a nice hit.
Quote from: MDS on August 12, 2007, 09:20:30 PM
Steve Smith deserves nothing but SARS.
i know where there is a leper colony in the islands.
BTW, didn't we have this same conversation about Billy D coaching 3rd?
The problem is obviously rooted higher up the management chain.
n/m
i'm glad that ESPN isn't letting this baseball game get in the way of their Barry Bonds recap
jesus farging christ
It's a good thing Cholly let Moyer hit for himself in the bottom of the 6th and then give up two straight hits and another run before pulling his geriatric ass.
Manager Of The Year.
Quote from: SunMo on August 12, 2007, 10:12:30 PM
i'm glad that ESPN isn't letting this baseball game get in the way of their Barry Bonds recap
jesus farging christ
Seriously. The 10-minute John Smoltz interview was scintillating also. Did he know he plays to a +1 handicap on the golf course and has a gentleman's bet going with that Tiger Woods fellow of some sort? I found it to be much more interesting than the baseball game going on.
In other news, Alfonseca is obviously on steroids.
i thought he had epilepsy
nice triple by Jimmy
i give 3 to 1 odds they don't get him in
ha! Pat's fist pump was classic on that
The home plate umpire is farging atrocious. He has been for both sides but that last called strike to Dawg was a full six inches outside. Hell, even the Gameday graphic has it way outside the strike zone even though it was a called strike.
PS: I'll take those odds if it's not too late.
it is
another Manuel beauty...
Romero gets two righties out on 2 pitches and pulls him for Gordon, in a 2 run game
that was a little to easy. rookie pitcher, first game 1-2-3.
:paranoid
Quote from: Don Ho on August 12, 2007, 10:42:07 PM
that was a little to easy. rookie pitcher, first game 1-2-3.
:paranoid
Manuel hasn't yet written his detailed scouting report, allowing the studious hitters to learn from his genius.
Pat Gillick got his wish of 4-2. Maybe next time he should pull a little harder for 5-1 or 6-0.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 12, 2007, 10:49:51 PM
Pat Gillick got his wish of 4-2. Maybe next time he should pull a little harder for 5-1 or 6-0.
:-D :-D :-D
Somewhere IGY is screaming in his pillow.
That was the most fun I have had watching a Phils game in a long time. Those last few innings were pennant chase type games. I loved it.
Manuel over-managed the crap out of that, but who cares. They're gonna have to win in spite of his incompetence, so you might as well get used to it now.
Dare I say they have been solid? Since the break:
2/3 at home vs. Cards
4-3 on road trip to LA and SD
5-1 homestand vs. DC and Pit
3-4 road trip to Chi and Mil
4-2 homestand vs. Fla and Atl
18-11 I believe. Sure they'll farg it up later on, but this is consistent play. We usually see them get very streaky and hang around before falling off in the last week. So...I'm sure they'll invent some way to lose, but they're doing what they're expected to do.
3 no-names pitching in Washington, then off to Pittsburgh where the Phils haven't won a series since 2001
I expect igy to be at the series in DC.
shteintsburgh sucks donkey balls, you must take 2/3 from them.
Watching the replay of the game on espn tonight. Six fingers was throwin smoke! He was incredible in the bottom of the seventh. Gotta love his dance.
They always have one more bit of glory before you have to take them out back with the shotgun.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 13, 2007, 06:48:10 AM
They always have one more bit of glory before you have to take them out back with the shotgun.
ok IGY.
Alfonseca doesn't scare the shtein out of you every time he takes the mound? That makes one of us.
if anybody saw Myers yelling at Harris at the end of the game, it's explained in Mike Radano's blog (http://www.courierpostonline.com/blogs/2007/08/its-getting-heated.html)
QuoteIf you saw the final strike of the night, you may have seen a little extra showmanship from Brett Myers.
Understand that Myers knows Braves hitter Willie Harris. The two were in the minors together and while they like to compete against one another, they have a good talking relationship.
Anyway, back in A-ball, Harris abused Myers. Always a leadoff hitter, Myers tried to overpower Harris with his fastball with little luck as Harris would slash away. Finally, Myers decided to "**** with him" and threw him a curve to start a game that Harris more than struggled with.
According to Myers, he faced him once this year and threw the curves, prompting Harris to challenge Myers manhood in a face-to-face.
Myers being Myers, he saw the final at bat of the ninth as a challenge. Fastball No.1 drew a smirk from Harris. Fastballs two, three and four allowed Myers to look in and at one point, show Harris four fingers. On the fifth fastball, Harris froze and began his walk back to the dugout.
"I wanted to show him I have *****," Myers said with a grin.
Of course, the always prim and proper Braves took some offense and started chirping from the visitor's dugout as the Phillies exchanged handshakes. For those who TiVo'd the game, that's Myers chirping back at the Braves after the game with Carlos Ruiz giving him some guidance to the handshake line.
Great crowd lastnight. We were seated 1 section over from the Howard HR. Crowd in left was giving it to Diaz all night.
Got into an argument with one of the Brewerytown vendors in Ashburn alley, wound up calling him an icehole. I think he tried to get security to find me but joke was on him because I blended into the crowd.
what was the argument about
Star Wars vs. Star Trek?
he said argument, not teary slapfest
From the time I got in line he was being a jerk. It was him - a 40 something disgruntled overweight dickhead - and some old hag. First thing I asked was "do you take this (debit card) cause I have no cash", he said let me see your I.D. He tells me yeah they'll take it and what do I want. I say a beer and a water. He puts the beer (opened) and water in front of me while the hag takes my card. She swipes my card while I take a sip of the beer. I notice she's having problems so the louisville sluggerhead comes over. I chug half the beer when he turns and says "machines down you owe ME $10". I grab my card back and open my wallet and say I have no cash. He acts like a complete jerk off, tells the lady to grab the water, takes the beer from me and pours it into the trashcan. I said loudly "thanks icehole" and started to walk off. He said something which I couldn't understand then made his way from behind his stand to grab security. I was long gone.
ha
Shocking that one of the social misfits who work at that place would act like jerkoff towards a customer.
or not know how to handle the fancy countin' machines they have there
I would love to walk around the Linc & CBP with a hidden camera and record the interactions you get with the idiots who work at both places.
It's amazing how rude and completely ignorant those fargheads are towards the paying public. I mean, sure, it's Philly and all and that's to be expected I guess, but how many times can a person get away with acting that way before management tires of it and fires their miserable farging asses?
I will say, though, that I've had better experiences with the hungry hungry hippos who work at the Linc than CBP. The ushers are usually less surly and on the off-occasion I buy something from the concession stands they've usually been pleasant enough.
that slide by jason werth last night was beautiful. looked like a little monkey down on all fours.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 13, 2007, 11:14:41 AM
I will say, though, that I've had better experiences with the hungry hungry hippos who work at the Linc than CBP. The ushers are usually less surly and on the off-occasion I buy something from the concession stands they've usually been pleasant enough.
it's probably because they are scared of being murdered if they piss off anybody
Quote from: phattymatty on August 13, 2007, 11:16:36 AM
that slide by jason werth last night was beautiful. looked like a little monkey down on all fours.
Excellent displays of athleticism all around last night... from Burrell's slide into home to Howard's chase of that foul ball. Go team.
Quote from: SunMo on August 13, 2007, 11:05:41 AM
or not know how to handle the fancy countin' machines they have there
I forgot to add (and I think this is what
really pissed him off) was when I said "just type the numbers into the machine". I've never actually operated one but I've seen it done a million times. He gave me the whole "the system is down" bullshtein. I went to the vender near Harry the K's and theirs was working just fine.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 13, 2007, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on August 13, 2007, 11:16:36 AM
that slide by jason werth last night was beautiful. looked like a little monkey down on all fours.
Excellent displays of athleticism all around last night... from Burrell's slide into home to Howard's chase of that foul ball. Go team.
I was seated in CF and didn't see the highlights but I was wondering why Werth and/or Burrell didn't run the catcher over. Granted they were out by a good margin but that's why you nail the catcher for blocking home plate. Doesn't hurt that Burrell and Werth are huge.
LOL at the thought of Burrell running into a catcher blocking the plate.
Werth? Maybe.
But Burrell?? :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 13, 2007, 01:27:46 PM
LOL at the thought of Burrell running into a catcher blocking the plate.
Werth? Maybe.
But Burrell?? :-D
He's 6'4 235, the real surprise is that he slid rather than accidentally stumbling into the catcher like he stumbles when he goes after fly balls.
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Geary looks like he's taking a dump
Hahaha. It looks like Patricia forgot the lube on Geary's ass.
Gillick should have come down from his box walked onto the field and fired Steve Smith on the spot. The man is less than incompetent.
Russell Branyan is my BFF
Gillick's trades paying off tonight
- Lohse pitched a solid game
- Branyan hits a go-ahead pinch-homer
Branyan knocked the shtein out of that ball
Quick... trade him for Polanco!
stop caring, idiots
love,
igy
apparently, Victorino re-injured himself at Reading tonight
People named Russell are good at baseball. Sadly, they don't care enough to be REALLY good at baseball.
People named Rusty are better.
PS: Bums just won. Myers had a clean ninth and struck out the final batter to end it. Woot.
Quote from: SunMo on August 14, 2007, 09:42:05 PM
apparently, Victorino re-injured himself at Reading tonight
Lovely
A win is a win but the bums bats were awful tonight
I thought your name was Regina.
Don't read, IGY!
Mets beat Pittsburgh 5-4
Braves beat Giants 5-4
Padres just underway with Colorado
Phils record 63-55.
2nd place NL East, 3 games behind the NY Mets
2nd place NL Wild Card, ½ game behind San Diego
Edit: You know, I'm just going to bed. I'm to tired to read the @*&@#*@#&(*& scoreboard correctly.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 09, 2007, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2007, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 09, 2007, 01:31:27 PMHe's a better LH option off the bench than Nunez...
no hes not...cause nunez is a very good fielder
uhhh
I'm talking about a pinch-hitting role where you want more power than Abe and his awesome 0 HRs. Abe is the better contact hitter (on all those grounders to the pitcher or to 2nd), but Branyan has the better chance of tying or winning a game in one swing...
Quote from: Eaglez on August 09, 2007, 07:30:24 PMIf Branyan comes off the bench and hits one PH home run it will be a good move.
:)
Oh, it's on now. . .
Darren Daulton was on DNL earlier talking about out of body experiences, speaking to lizards, and ascending to the 7th dimension on Dec. 21st 2012. He's coming out with a new book titled 'If They Only Knew!'. I'll be buying it the day its released.
Pass the dutchie on the left-hand side, Dutch.
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The Phils joined the list of teams making Selig angry. They signed their 12th-rd pick, HS RHP Julian Sampson (who most teams passed on because he was considered a lock to go to Washington) for over 3x what he was "slotted" to get ($390K vs $120K max). Today's the deadline to sign draft picks. The only major one remaining for the Phils is 3rd-rd pick HS RHP Brandon Workman (scholarship to Texas).
Quote from: SunMo on August 14, 2007, 09:42:05 PM
apparently, Victorino re-injured himself at Reading tonight
How serious?
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here's the dutch interview from yesterday...
http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/audio/phillies/081407-dutch.wma (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/audio/phillies/081407-dutch.wma)
i knew he was starting to go crazy but didn't know he was this nuts.
i have to buy his book now.
Pre-order it on the link I posted on his website and he'll autograph it at no extra charge. Daulton is my new idol.
Darren Daulton was on DNL earlier talking about out of body experiences, speaking to lizards, and ascending to the 7th dimension on Dec. 21st 2012. He's coming out with a new book titled 'If They Only Knew!'. I'll be buying it the day its released.
did they beep out when he called angelo an ahole...online nothing gets beeped i was wondering if the radio broadcast edited it out...shtein was hilarious
I didn't hear it on the link matty posted. I was listening to wip for a bit this morning and I think he was on with Angelo. Not 100% sure though, I know Mitch was definitely there.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 15, 2007, 10:33:05 AM
The Phils joined the list of teams making Selig angry.
It's a start anyway.
matty posted the csn interview on tv from yesterday
the ahole line was today on wip...he said it right as he first came on...so if you missed the beginning you wouldnt have heard it
Quote
Money won't matter to Manuel, if he sits Eaton for a start
By MARCUS HAYES
hayesm@phillynews.com
WASHINGTON - The money doesn't matter. When Pat Burrell struggles, manager Charlie Manuel sits him, his $13 million salary be damned.
Adam Eaton, the intended free-agent upgrade to the starting rotation, is struggling.
It sounds as if he'll sit, too, despite the 3-year, $24.5 million deal he signed and the $7.35 million he'll make this season, most of any healthy Phillies pitcher.
"That doesn't bother me," Manuel said.
No official decision has been made, but Manuel expected to discuss Eaton's immediate future with pitching coach Rich Dubee either last night or today. Eaton's turn to start is Friday in Pittsburgh, but he might be replaced by rookie J.D. Durbin at least once, if not twice, before the Phillies face the Mets at the end of the month.
"I take 'em out," Manuel said of how he handles slumping players. "Set 'em down. Give 'em 2, 3 days off, give 'em time to think about it. Relax. Then put 'em back in there."
Manuel stressed that Eaton has had success against the Mets, whom he has beaten twice in two starts and is 5-0 with a 1.89 earned run average in five career starts. Skipping Eaton twice would pit him against the Mets in Philadelphia on Aug. 28.
Of course, that would mean that Eaton would miss pitching against the Dodgers on Aug. 23, against whom he is 10-3 with a 2.37 ERA in 19 starts, but then, Durbin beat the Dodgers on July 17.
Eaton has a 9.74 ERA :o in six starts against the Pirates. So, come Friday, he might have a lot of time to think about his 6.36 ERA, worst among major league starters, and his one quality start in his last 10 outings - zero in his last seven.
Sitting Eaton might help. Manuel did not commit to pitching Eaton out of the bullpen; he seemed more inclined to just sit him, period.
"We're definitely, totally concerned about Adam," Manuel said. The question: "How do we get Adam going? What's the best way?"
Maybe the best way to get him going is to give him a paid vacation.
Utley on schedule
Chase Utley took ground balls at second base and, for the first time since suffering a fractured fourth metacarpal bone in the back of his right hand on July 26, he was allowed to lightly throw the ball to first and second base.
In 2 weeks, he hopes to be throwing and swinging in games.
Utley still won't be allowed to grip a bat for at least another 5 days, when he next sees Dr. Randy Culp, who, on Monday, cleared Utley to wear a cut-down version of the splint he has worn since Nationals pitcher John Lannan hit him with a pitch. Utley now can do strengthening exercises, as well as range-of-motion exercises.
"It looks good. They re-X-rayed it. They said it's healing outstanding. They put me in this device, so I can start throwing," Utley said. "They still want me to hold off on gripping a bat a little bit longer just to have it heal a little bit more."
Utley figures it will take about a week of swinging to give him a chance to recapture the MVP form that had him hitting .336 with 82 RBI.
"I'm assuming if it doesn't hurt too bad, then it won't affect much," Utley said. "Obviously, it might be a little awkward the first day or two, because I haven't swung a bat in a while. It might be a little awkward at first, but as long as it doesn't hurt, it should be OK."
Victorino update
Shane Victorino pulled himself out of his first rehab start at Double A Reading last night when he felt "something grab" in his strained right calf as he tried to beat out a ground ball in front of the plate, according to general manager Pat Gillick.
It was his third at-bat. He was 1-for-3 with an RBI as the designated hitter.
The Phillies hoped Victorino would return by Friday for the series in Pittsburgh. That assuredly won't happen.
As for any other timetable, "Now, we don't know," Gillick said.
In his second full season, Victorino, 26, is hitting .284 with 32 stolen bases in 35 attempts. He strained his calf in Chicago on July 30.
Phillers
Sources indicated that the Phils expected to sign 12th-round pick Julian Sampson, a righthanded pitcher, by today's deadline, while they were not hopeful about third-round righthander Brandon Workman . . . Catcher Carlos Ruiz took both of third baseman Greg Dobbs' hands in his face when they collided in the seventh inning pursuing a foul ball. Ruiz suffered a neck stinger, but remained in the game. Afterward, he said he was fine and expected to be available tonight . . . Catcher Rod Barajas (right groin strain) yesterday caught with gear on for the first time since he hit the disabled list on Aug. 3, and exited without complication. *
Some new gear for igy
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wtf
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Before tonight, the Phillies only other win where they scored 3 runs or fewer was against igy's Chicago White Sox on June 11, a 3-0 win behind who else but Adam Eaton. Yay team.
Wrong. They still have no wins this season where they've scored "fewer than 3" runs.
I'm a wordsmith.
4-1 Gnats. Feel the magic? Ain't happen tonight.
Eaton was put on the 15 day dl. Zagurski called up.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 15, 2007, 08:57:47 PM
Eaton was put on the 15 day dl. Zagurski called up.
As the Phillies gay ass tagline this year says...
GOOSEBUMPS.
Welcome back fatass.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 15, 2007, 08:41:28 PM
4-1 Gnats. Feel the magic? Ain't happen tonight.
Bases loaded, no outs
Base hit Coste, 4-2, bases still juiced, no outs.
Pitching change.
Ray King has the biggest face I have ever seen.
His jaw looks like Mickey Rourke from Sin City.
Another wasted oppurunity. Bums.
Clutch defined.
wow, the more i hear other clubs broadcast teams i am convinced the phils even with wheels is one of the best, vin scully excluded of course as he is god.
Don Sutton and that other dude Carpenter are horrific. they sound really, really bored. kind of like a Nationals crowd.
PAT!:boom
that was total bullshtein! strike?
that was a strike
That was a ball you cockhound.
Shut up.
zesty game. Oh well, King goes tomorrow and they can take 2/3 from the Nats.
this game was lost after Jimmy's god awful at bat with the bases loaded...that was pathetic
Phils lose
Mets win
Braves winning
yay
O-V-E-R
Quote from: SunMo on August 15, 2007, 09:51:46 PM
this game was lost after Jimmy's god awful at bat with the bases loaded...that was pathetic
Well, when the Phils had the bases loaded with none out, and Branyan and Rollins both struck out, that did kill any momentum the Phils were trying to get.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 15, 2007, 10:06:34 PM
Phils lose
Mets win
Braves winning
yay
Yep, Mets win 10-4 over Pitt.
Braves up 6-3 over Bonds, one out in the 9th.
Pads-Rocks still early and scoreless.
Let's all freak out!1111
Believe me, I've already freaked out. WAY farging out.
burrell had a great at bat tonight. i was sitting on the 3rd base side, about 25-30 rows back. he nails some lady in the gface with a foul ball. then once the emt's got there, about two pitches later, he whacks another foul about two people in front of her. then he gets struck out looking. beautiful.
this game was lost after Jimmy's god awful at bat with the bases loaded...that was pathetic
that was brutal but it was lost when manuel brought in farging branyan with no outs and 1st and 3rd...you need contact there not a home run...and branyan strikes out at an incredible rate...
a home run is in the 8th or 9th with two outs...but of course branyan had a once in a million moment last night so charlie thinks hes a genius and trys it again
to be fair to charles, his hands are really tied there. his options from the right side are ruiz, roberson and nunez. they all suck, and ruiz isnt being used since hes the catcher. if he brings in dobbs, its probably the same result since dobbs has had 2 at bats against lhp all year.
i wouldve tried to keep saul rivera in the game, he was fixin for a blowup. bringing in roberson to squeeze there wouldve been a good move, but if it fails manuel gets killed for it.
anyway, more criticism should go to charlie for his bullpen use that game. if the phils tie it in the 9th, they have 2 one inning pitchers left before having to use fridays starter the real deal durbin. manuel used his long man, condrey, for 1 inning. he used a multi inning guy like mesa for 1 batter. they lost so it doesnt matter, but this couldve been just horrific if the game went on. of course, they could have other plans for friday and durbin still might be the long man. but thats doubtful considering they called zags up.
theres probably not a player in the major leagues who had less chance to make contact in that situation than russell branyan...and charlie still put him in...it was pathetic...you must get that run home...it takes so much pressure off the team in 8 and 9 only having to get one run
but as we know charlie may be reason number one why this team misses the playoffs....i know a lot of people will blame the bullpen but its been fine this year...ultimately once september hits its gonna be the lineup that chokes as they always do but in the big picture charlie costs this team a lot of games...to many for a team like the phillies to ever overcome
probably, yea. but you could argue that charlie is the only reason theyre in it. this team had 1000 reasons to quit with all that went down, but charlie did whatever he did to keep things going. his in game managing has been totally inept and will be totally inept, i think the phillies collectively know they have to overcome to make it. hell, the 3rd base coach is a farging retard and that dont help things.
i can admit to them being average instead of zesty because of charlie
if you can admit to them being average instead of good because of charlie
what? i know theyre not winning anything. charlie's in game managing skills are big reason for that. its gonna be a close race and its gonna come down to a few games, and manuels gonna farg some up and cost them. not to mention, that 3 gamer with atlanta in the last week has braves sweep written all over it, even if atlanta is out of it by then.
its really doubtful the phillies will win anything with this ownership, but basically impossible with this manager. the only way they can get in is if they play an inordinate amount of easy to manage games, like blowouts or simply going to gordon in the 8th and myers in the 9th with the lead. if its a close game where he needs to think outside the box with pinch hitters, or when to pull a pitcher/leave him in, extra innings, etc....look out its gonna be bad.
I wouldn't shed a tear if Manuel was fired but he hasn't done a bad job this season. igy's on the money with bringing Branyan in. From Charlie's narrow perspective I'm sure he figured Branyan was hot because he hit a lucky HR the night before, but everyone else in the league knows the guys Burrell with more K's and less walks. Speaking of Burrell get him out of the 3 hole, it was a dumb move putting him there because he can't handle the pressure. Back to the 5 hole with Rowand who's also struggling in the 3.
i agree burrell needs to be moved...ironically tho he might be the hottest phillie right now...in general since charlie made that move the offense has been pathetic....led by choke dawg whos battin under .200 since then...another guy who has gone into the tank that no one is talking about is iguchi...also under .200...jimmys been bad as well
i bet theres not a phillie in the top 6 of the lineup thats batting over .250 in the last week or two
The entire lineup is shtein right now
The entire lineup is shtein right now
yeah i know...in fact the last two days ive picked up hill and redding in fantasy just to get two guys who are gonna start against the phils...once august 15th rolls around its like clockwork for the phils offense to go into late season choke mode
and i meant to pick up hanrahan for today but i forgot
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 16, 2007, 09:11:44 AM
and i meant to pick up hanrahan for today but i forgot
Probably that pederast Hanahand.
"Fletch" quotes in the Phillies thread are always welcome.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 16, 2007, 09:40:42 AM
"Fletch" quotes in the Phillies thread are always welcome.
Corrected for accuracy.
P.S. What's that supposed to mean anyway? You NOT going to report rjs getting off-topic for once? Who is it? Mr. Sinlindin?
You really should STOP trying to be clever, you know.
I'll stop being clever when you stop drinking alcohol.
Now that's just plain ludicrous.
Preposterous?
i was going to go with slightly irregular
Supercilious?
I really gotta change this avatar photo.
I have avatar photos turned off and it's definitely the slightly irregular way to go.
off to the game....someone record it for me and look for a bunch of fat guys with a "king cole" sign
"King Cole", "Go taterskins". . . whatever.
yippie another special afternoon with don sutton.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 16, 2007, 04:16:36 PM
"King Cole", "Go taterskins". . . whatever.
that made me laugh
howard is pathetic right now
He's not even the black Adam Dunn right now. He's the black Russell Branyan.
Cripes Gordon. :boom
Mets losing
Braves losing
Gordon's the Adam Eaton of the bullpen right now. Gets lit up almost every time.
Romero got lucky with that double play.
Myers is lights out the past few games. :yay
There was 6 times I wished the camera had panned to igy during this game, they were:
Any of Howard's Ks (3)
Howard butchering a routine play at first (1)
Both HRs Gordon surrendered (2)
Mutts and Braves both lost so the Phils made up that game from last night.
Ed Wade went skydiving and landed in a tree (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=5573163) :-D
who do you worship more easy eddie wade or joey banner.....might be an unfair question since i think joey b pays you a check...but lets pretend this is off the record...
haha
everybody lost tonight except the phillies....lets have a parade!!!!!
All I want to know is how many people got knocked the farg out in the aisles... outside of that you're all worthless to me.
that would be a zero factor
like i said to someone else its a summertime baseball game...fights were and should be minimal to none
Weak.
so says the kid from 02016
Tom Gordon is finished. I said this 5 months ago.
^^^
on the cutting edge as usual
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 17, 2007, 12:37:29 AM
everybody lost tonight except the phillies....lets have a parade!!!
Yes!
QuoteI love a parade,the tramping of feet,
I love every beat I hear of a drum.
I love a parade, when I hear a band
I just want to stand and cheer as they come.
That rat-a tat-tat, the blare of a horn.
That rat-a tat-tat, a bright uniform;
The sight of a drill will give me a thrill,
I thrill at the skill of everything military.
I love a parade, a handful of vets,
A line of cadets or any brigade,
For I love a parade
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 17, 2007, 12:55:45 AM
so says the kid from 02016
Did you actually look up a random Massachusetts area code? Weak.
i don't remember coming home from the game. weird...i know.
^^^^
lol...you were on point
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Hahaha. You flags really made a sign?
AIDS.
AIDS, AIDS, AIDS!!!!!!
i go to phillie games and make signs
you live in florida and surf
basically im the car chase scene in bullitt and youre the bridges of madison county
One of the top ten worst things about living in the D.C. Metro area has to be getting subjected to Carpenter and Sutton at least six times a summer. Holy christ.
i actually dont mind sutton...carpenter is an effin POS...hes the DC wheels
ray knight makes me sick too with his "we's" and "us"...bitch youve never even stepped foot in washington dc until the nats hired you a year ago...next time you watch a game and hes announcing or doing the post game report listen to how often he says that shtein
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 17, 2007, 08:14:34 AM
i go to phillie games and make signs
you live in florida and surf
basically im the car chase scene in bullitt and youre the bridges of madison county
Nothing you wrote changes the fact that you made up a sign with the words "King Cole" on it.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
i could pretty much make up a sign that says POS with an arrow pointing towards me and id still be cooler than fonzie
LOL
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 17, 2007, 12:37:29 AM
everybody lost tonight except the phillies....lets have a parade!!!
Padres won.
Made the DC game last night and it was easy 3:1 Phillies to Nats fans. Didn't see the King Cole sign but I did see a boy with a yamulke and a Deion Sanders taterskins jersey. Curious.
Burrell needs a triple for the cycle....ha
9-3 Phils after 6
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 17, 2007, 12:31:46 AMwho do you worship more easy eddie wade or joey banner
I can't stand either one but I'll say Banner since the Eagles are a playoff team every year
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 17, 2007, 08:58:20 PM
Burrell needs a triple for the cycle....ha
9-3 Phils after 6
A sniper would have to get all three outfielders for that to happen. Heck, the second baseman could probably run to the left field corner and hold Burrell to two bases.
The Pirates are farging terrible. Sweep.
I can't stand either one but I'll say Banner since the Eagles are a playoff team every year
wow you hate banner for real?
who woulda thunk it
hates him because he's so perfect
lol
Yo boys lay off easy e the boy runs the show on the emb, here, bsg. he is the consistent force that keeps things going you best shut your mouth now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 17, 2007, 08:14:34 AM
i go to phillie games and make signs
you live in florida and surf
basically im the car chase scene in bullitt and youre the bridges of madison county
Post of the year nominee.
Fatass lets in 2 runs in the bottom of the 9th but Phils win 11-8.
They should have put Myers in for the last out to pump up his save total.
If they do that, Tom Gordon is the closer tomorrow.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 17, 2007, 10:02:08 PM
Fatass lets in 2 runs in the bottom of the 9th but Phils win 11-8.
all i could think about when he came in was no better term describes this putz than "fat ass". and i thought table and six fingers were gonna be the death of me.
Quote from: MDS on August 17, 2007, 10:12:25 PM
If they do that, Tom Gordon is the closer tomorrow.
They won't need a closer tomorrow. They're losing by 4 runs.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 17, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: MDS on August 17, 2007, 10:12:25 PM
If they do that, Tom Gordon is the closer tomorrow.
They won't need a closer tomorrow. They're losing by 4 runs.
how's the surf been this summer? south shore on oahu has sucked all summer. no descent swells since fourth of july.
Raleigh/Durham is known for its top-notch surfing, yes, but I haven't hung ten much of late.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 17, 2007, 10:58:18 PM
Raleigh/Durham is known for its top-notch surfing, yes, but I haven't hung ten much of late.
my bad, i thought you were closer to the shore.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 17, 2007, 10:58:18 PM
Raleigh/Durham is known for its top-notch surfing, yes, but I haven't hung ten much of late.
Hang ten in RDU is code for lynching a bunch of black people.
In Jacksonville or other outlying areas, that might be true. In the RDU area, black guys golf with white guys. Asians, however, stick to their own kind on the links.
QuoteEd Wade's parachute gets stuck in S. Jersey tree
By Peter Mucha
Inquirer Staff Writer
JERRY LODRIGUSS / Inquirer staff photographer
The man who some Phillies fans felt left the team hanging high and dry yesterday found himself hanging high in a tree, dangling from a parachute.
Former general manager Ed Wade jumped from a plane that took off from a parachuting center at Cross Keys Airport in Monroe Township, Gloucester County.
His chute opened properly, but it snagged a tree in a residential area just south of the airport on the 1400 block of North Tuckahoe Road, which runs next to the airport, according to an emergency medical technician, who answered the phone this morning.
As residents watched, the Williamstown Fire Company positioned a ladder truck near the tree.
"They put the ladder up it and he climbed down it," the EMT said.
He wasn't injured, she said.
She said she didn't expect that Wade or the skydiving center would get a bill for the rescue services.
Wade, 51, now does scouting and front-office work for the San Diego Padres.
During his tenure as Phillies general manager from 1997 to 2005, the team developed or acquired a variety of prominent players, but never made the playoffs.
:-D
I'm too amazed at the fact that Wade has the balls to go skydiving to actually laugh at him getting stuck in a tree.
tied for the wildcard
Are the Phillies not being televised today?
7pm CW57
Thanks Easy.
wow not a single philly game post tonight?
not even a wild card standings update from easy
only lost ground to the trashy queens homos. braves lost and padres lost. still tied for wild card leads, 1.5 up on ted turner.
i think you need to pass an honorary yarmulke to easy
Fatass is going on the 15-day DL. Who's next in the rotating bullpen of fun?
Phillies in a rain delay. Jim Jackson made it seem like the game was going to be called in the pregame.
This has been your IGY update brought to you by Snacky Smores.
They only other mutual off day is Sept. 24. So they'll try nice and hard to get this one in.
They farging better, the Phils weren't televised in hickville Lancaster yesterday and im jonesin.
Well that's your fault for living such a zesty area. Move to Philly you hick.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 19, 2007, 07:11:06 AM
Fatass is going on the 15-day DL. Who's next in the rotating bullpen of fun?
Yoel Hernandez is back
Quote from: MDS on August 19, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
Well that's your fault for living such a zesty area. Move to Philly you hick.
Its too technologically advanced. It would go against my Amish heritage.
I'd rather be Jewish than Amish.
it basically comes down to whether youd rather be killed in a cafe or a schoolhouse
choke dogs last ten games
5/35
18k's
5 rbi
and most disturbing is only four walks...because of that hes actually worse now than in april
white adam dunn
.262
33 hr
81 rbi
72 bb
136 k
black adam dunn
.258
33 hr
99 rbi
78 bb
149 k
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 19, 2007, 01:57:38 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 19, 2007, 07:11:06 AM
Fatass is going on the 15-day DL. Who's next in the rotating bullpen of fun?
Yoel Hernandez is back
Championship.
not that hes a savoir or something but by all accounts francisco rosario has looked great in his rehab appearances
russell the muscle
Typical Branyan game
K
K
3-run HR
Why would Pittsburgh bother intentionally walking choke dog right now?
one batter to late for romero you fat shtein...what the hell was he thinking
haha typical phillies.
this farging sucks, mets win, braves win and phils are collapsing. has a familiar ring to it don't it?
loshe cant come near the plate with a 4 run lead and men on first and second...i mean in that situation you bunny the ball over if you have to...make them hit it
anyway he walks the bases loaded
and the pirates ph with matt kata
a lefty who hits .130 against left handed pitching
and charlie leaves loshe in the game rather than go to romero
just unreal
i had to run downstairs and missed the events leading up to the bases being loaded. he walked the bases loaded? shtein.
dammit 5-4. bullshtein.
bullsh*t like this is why they haven't won a series in Pittsburgh in 6 years
not only did he walk the bases loaded but he did it with two outs...farging throw the ball over the plate and let them beat you there...even if he gets a hit its still only 4-1 with two outs
but thats my point with charlie...when you see a pitcher not be able to locate the ball in that situation you take him out...he for whatever reason left him in even after the pirates brought in a left ph to face him....when people ask how many games a year charlies loses for this team you only need to look to todays game...its the perfect example and the main reason they wont make the playoffs
jesus farging christ. eat me.
7-4
best thing i've seen all day - the tarp or is that a giant body bag for the phils flight home?
game on
Mets win
Braves win
Padres about to win
what a great day
...and after a 2nd rain delay, Yoel getting injured and Rollins limping back to the dugout, the Phils finally lose 8-4. Die.
Blowing 4-run leads to the worst team in the league two nights in a row...
Pointing and laughing at the Phillies.
get used to many more awful losses like this down the stretch...its about to be gagging season for the team
the only hope theyd ever have is if they fired manuel right effin now and made jimy williams manager...even then it would be a long shot but thered be a little hope at least
no shot. the pitching isnt good enough and manuel is incompetent. why even bother.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2983598
Utley cleared to throw and swing bat without splint.
This guy will be a Phillie next year. Book it. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtEspjUdJienypYlXzh9xucRvLYF?slug=sh-jasonjennings081607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
10 game homestand....how many wins?
dodgers - kendrick vs tomko
dodgers - hamels vs lowe
dodgers - durbin vs billingsly
padres - moyer vs germano
padres - lohse vs maddux
padres - kendrick vs young
mets - hamels vs lawrence
mets - durbin vs glavine
mets - moyer vs perez
mets - lohse vs el duque
some pitching match ups may be scheduled to change
dodgers - W
dodgers - W
dodgers - L
padres - L
padres - W
padres - L
mets - W
mets - L
mets - L
mets - L
If utley comes back for the mets series...7-3
If utley stays on the DL... 5-5
either 5-5 or 6-4 overall. they phils tend to play well against the padres and the dodgers suck. it all comes down to whether they can split that 4 gamer with the muts.
I think they've run out of gas.
4-6 at worst, 6-4 at best.
5-5
anything more I'll be shocked - anything less not so much
6-4 would be a coup. They've blown their wad. I think it happened when Alfonseca looked dominant against the Nats, and did the dance that guy Flamenco did in Mike Tyson's Punch Out.
the one advantage they have is that they only face two lefties on the homestand and those are against the mets who they are most likely gonna lose 3 of 4 to anyway
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 01:17:28 PM
6-4 would be a coup. They've blown their wad. I think it happened when Alfonseca looked dominant against the Nats, and did the dance that guy Flamenco did in Mike Tyson's Punch Out.
ha, I thought he looked like a drunken vagrant. I was at the Sunday night game vs. the Braves. After he whiffed a brave to bail Moyer out he did his dance and my g/f turned to me and said wtf was that?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 7-3.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 21, 2007, 01:17:28 PM
6-4 would be a coup.
Correct. Absolute best-case scenario... and this is assuming a sweep in San Fran.
Doubtful they'll get it in today. Looks like they'll be a DH on probably Thursday, which means they need an extra starter for Sunday, or else send Kendrick on 3 days rest.
Quote from: MDS on August 21, 2007, 03:41:04 PM
Doubtful they'll get it in today. Looks like they'll be a DH on probably Thursday, which means they need an extra starter for Sunday, or else send Kendrick on 3 days rest.
Doubtful that you're right. Rain has stopped, tarp is off.
Off to a great start already. Crumb bums down 2-0 after 1/2 inning.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 21, 2007, 07:21:35 PM
Off to a great start already. Crumb bums down 2-0 after 1/2 inning.
(http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/images/buford_t_justice.jpg)
They will win 3 total games against the Padres and Mets, so they need this one to have a winning record in the next 10.
cant even get a hit off brett effin tomko
its phillies baseball now son
cole hamels down for the count
only the phils
yay phillies
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 08:05:00 PM
cole hamels down for the count
only the phils
Elbow tenderness, unreal.
If they would permit pitchers to actually throw instead of coddling them like flags, they might build up their arms enough to throw more than 175 innings per year and 90 pitches per game without breaking down.
farging ridiculous.
Aaron Rowand = clutch
here's an idea, lets let him become a free agent
Rich Dubeesnacks classified Cole's injury as a mild elbow sprain with a precautionary MRI tomorrow. And since the Phillies are generally so accurate with their injury diagnosis, I will choose to believe that Cole will only miss one start. :win
Cock and balls.
the fact that he said that they "caught it early" says to me its more than just standard soreness....i mean you dont catch soreness...it just happens
and i agree with romey...something is seriously wrong when your stud young pitcher cant get thru august without breaking down...what the farg is the point of having him
There used to be a time when a pitcher just pitched through the soreness. Nowadays, they're on the DL with the first twinge.
Wouldn't surprise me to see Hamels get the Tommy John treatment next season.
From the Inky article:
QuoteHamels, who is 14-5 with a 3.50 ERA, has thrown a career-high 167 1/3 innings this season.
Iin 1972, Steve Carlton pitched 196 innings... before the All-Star Game.
In 1980, he was down to 155 innings in the first half.
Chance to perhaps put the game away, bases loaded, none out:
- Howard hits a humpback liner to short (stationed directly behind second).
- Rowand strikes out
And they're putting their hopes on Helms pinch-hitting for Dobbs in the 5th inning. HA!
Yoel Hernandez didn't last long - on the DL already.
:-D
Giants, Dodgers, what's the difference?
this manager is such a farging clown
Kendrick had to go at least seven because the bullpen was worn out after last night.[/cholly]
Ryan Howard just stole second base. On his own. :o
seriously wtf @ bringing in scrap heap mesa rather than let kendrick try to finsih the inning...two out no one on moron..where is the effin threat there?!?!?!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 09:50:09 PM
seriously wtf @ bringing in scrap heap mesa rather than let kendrick try to finsih the inning...two out no one on moron..where is the effin threat there?!?!?!
Cholly's been doing that a lot lately, letting them pitch 6 2/3 before taking them out. Don't see the sense but when it comes to him I just stopped trying to figure it out.
jesus god someone please put wheels out of his misery..."what a nasty short hop...just look at that"
other than being hit right at you that was about as routine as it gets
That was the most absurd pitch I have ever seen anyone win on, helmet high heater.
Oh well, Phils win.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2007, 09:50:09 PM
seriously wtf @ bringing in scrap heap mesa rather than let kendrick try to finsih the inning...two out no one on moron..where is the effin threat there?!?!?!
Kendrick went over the century mark in pitch count (101).
100 pitches = automatic hook.
i dont give a shtein what his reasoning is...why not look at how the guy is pitching and the situation instead of some artifical number
he was pitching well and there was two out and no one on...oh and mesa sucks ostrich balls
Whoa - easy Tiger. I'm not disagreeing with you. :-D
dont worry my anger is being directed 100% at charlie...you can come out from under the covers
Nice come from behind win. :yay
QuoteCiccotti said outfielder Shane Victorino (calf) could rejoin the team on Wednesday; outfielder Michael Bourn (ankle) might be back in two to three weeks; left-hander Mike Zagurski (hamstring) is likely out for the season; right-hander Ryan Madson (shoulder) might return for the final week; and Eaton (shoulder) will throw in a bullpen session Wednesday.
good, whatever, actually thats nice, ech that sucks, i hope his arm falls off
cole needs to go on saturday or else they find an extra starter, perhaps fabio castro. obviously if he goes down its all over, even more so when the phillies dont bother making a trade and figure they can hang on until eaton gets back/garcia comes back. yea there it is.
Quote"It's like a feel-good movie," he said. "Look at 'Rudy.' He finally made the team, right? Heart takes you a long way. That's how we keep getting off the canvas." *
:puke
According to Phillies.com, Hamels expects to go on the 15 Day DL with his elbow.
I hate this team. I just want to disconnect and save myself the disappointment later.
Maybe Utley and Victorino will give the team a boost production-wise, but games get tighter towards the end of the season and losing a stud like Hamels just puts more pressure on the bats.
yeah but the phillies thrive off pressure
Quote from: Eaglez on August 22, 2007, 10:20:34 AM
According to Phillies.com, Hamels expects to go on the 15 Day DL with his elbow.
Its retroactive from his last start so he'll most likely only miss two starts.
The real bad news is Eaton is healthy
do you really see a scenario where cole only misses two starts....i just dont see him taking a week off then throwing on the side and have the pain magically gone...im not saying tommy john surgery is in order but i can easily see him being shut down for the rest of the year
Just going off of what I saw in his interview lastnight. He said he felt a little pain but pitched through it vs. the Nats. Threw in the bp and felt some tenderness so he decided to shut it down. From his demeanor it didnt seem like a big deal and that he was just being cautious. I heard Dei Lynam (or maybe it was Rhea Hughes) saying because of the dye used for the MRI it would force him to miss 2 starts but if it were up to Cole it would only be tomorow.
Andrews ankle
i never heard that about the dye...thats certainly good news...i agree on his demeanor...but elbow pain never seems that simple...
Fabio Castro to start on Saturday, Cole will miss at least 2 starts. No word yet on how the MRI went. But Victorino could be back tonight, which would be great news, but Werth has actually been better than his average production so whatever.
babble much?
your moms box
typical jew behavior
MDS babbles box? Solid trash talk right there.
King's injury is not serious. He'll miss two starts and should be back after Sept. 1 roster expansions. Of course, one of those starts is against the Mets. Yay!
Since he's going to the 15 day DL, he'll be replaced by Shane Victorino, who is in the lineup batting sixth tonight.
just saw on the espn ticker of the mets-padres game that chris young is gonna miss his start sunday
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 07:49:52 PM
just saw on the espn ticker of the mets-padres game that chris young is gonna miss his start sunday
I would say typical Mets luck missing both Cole and Young, but the Mets deserve to win the NL East regardless of luck.
the phils play the padres sunday...young pitched against the mets last night
Lead off Double
Shot to First Base - Out
K
Weak Grounder
Eh.
durbin vs lowe = LOSS
Impressive showing tonight
These are the Phillies we all know and love.
Costey!
Atleast we aren't the orioles.
I know, right? 15 runs ain't so bad!
Quote from: NGM on August 22, 2007, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2007, 07:49:52 PM
just saw on the espn ticker of the mets-padres game that chris young is gonna miss his start sunday
I would say typical Mets luck missing both Cole and Young, but the Mets deserve to win the NL East regardless of luck.
The Mets faced Young in the series opener.
choke dog in the last 8 games has 0 hr 2 rbi and 12 k and is on pace to set the all time strikeout record
he might not even be the black adam dunn
Your hatred of black people is sickening.
Kill yourself, Jim Crow.
Chooch throws out Pierre trying to steal second
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 23, 2007, 03:12:03 PM
Chooch throws out Pierre trying to steal second
after he singled home the winning run considering how amazing the offense has been today
I'm a 6 pack in and fell a sleep for an inning. Missed nothing.
Gordon really sucks
In comes gas can to put this one out of reach
Regardless of how senile Kalas is his double play calls are still on the money: 1,2,3 double play
id like to rescind my mets phils prediciton
four game mets sweep behind 42 total runs scored for the mets
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2007, 07:57:03 AM
id like to rescind my mets phils prediciton
four game mets sweep behind 42 total runs scored for the mets
I would like to disagree... but I can't.
Splitting the series would be a moral victory for the Phils. They have a better rotation on the DL than they do on the field right now.
Prove us wrong, Phils... please.
i was banking on the phils winning both coles starts on the homestand then stealing another game or two...but without king its looking grim at best...dont know if they will win but they should be in every game with sd cause the padres have no offense...the mets on the other hand are loaded as we all know and are playing well right now
This is gonna be their year.
I have goosebumps.
The lone remaining starter from the opening day rotation is a geriatric junk baller who would get outgunned by kids playing in Williamsport right now.
Yay team.
Eaton gave up 3 hits and 2 runs in 2 innings today. He's ready.
could sarge miss that call more...and dumb ass wheels knows what ruiz did but wont say it cause he bitch ass homer
Chooch took Giles out on a double play ball at second. Giles got in his face and the benches cleared. ha. Bums up 4-2. Players are being tossed. Sarge is in an uproar. Its pandamonium!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2007, 08:19:15 PM
could sarge miss that call more...and dumb ass wheels knows what ruiz did but wont say it cause he bitch ass homer
It was pretty blatant what chooch did, sarge is pulling his homer card which is hard to do with Wheels in the booth.
actually i thought he cleeted him at first...it was actually a borderline call but i can see why they made it...ruiz didnt even really attempt to slide and kind of kicked his one foot straight into giles leg
but sarge is correct in that you gotta make the call from jump start...you cant wait for the benches to clear giles bitch and then make the call
the rule is silly. that run wouldve scored regardless of the ruiz's slide. anyway, al golden is in the booth and wheels just asked him how important recruiting is.
wheels is making a mockery of himself right now
can defense win you games?
how important is it being in a conference?
what a terrific line of questioning.
Quote from: MDS on August 24, 2007, 08:27:36 PM
the rule is silly. that run wouldve scored regardless of the ruiz's slide. anyway, al golden is in the booth and wheels just asked him how important recruiting is.
Worse, I think the runner was safe at first regardless of Ruiz. Ruiz cost the Phils a run and an out.
That was a chickencrap play by Ruiz. He'd better pray that there isn't a close play at home the balance of the series.
"boy it sure seems there are a lot of good teams in that MAC there"
And top it off, Jamie Moyer sucks.
more well done: trotter moyer or phillies
Current pitching staff:
Very Good
Myers
Serviceable
Romero
Lohse
Castro
Utter Crap
Durbin
Moyer
Mesa
Alfonseca
Gordon
Geary
Sanches
Condrey
Needs to come back now
Hamels
Madson
Stay Hurt
Eaton
Garcia
Hell, even Matheison might help.
Another game, another lead, another loss. Unreal.
I hope they lose the remainder of the games on the homestand. Quit screwing around with us like you do every year and put us out of our misery early this time. I can't take another September of hoping for a miracle from these clowns.
Just end the season now you choking losers.
(http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/jimvalvano.jpg)
Don't give up. Don't ever give up!
I was able to put away any shred of hope when I heard that Hamel's elbow was hurting. Without him for any length of time puts the Phils in a very bad way.
If they don't stay near the top of the WC by Hamel's prospective return date, the Phils may be best served to shelve him for the remainder of the season.
Quote from: Quasimoto on August 25, 2007, 08:44:09 AM
(http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/jimvalvano.jpg)
Don't give up. Don't ever give up!
Didn't he die within the month?
The cancer took his advice.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 25, 2007, 08:38:19 AM
I hope they lose the remainder of the games on the homestand. Quit screwing around with us like you do every year and put us out of our misery early this time. I can't take another September of hoping for a miracle from these clowns.
Just end the season now you choking losers.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 25, 2007, 08:46:06 AM
I was able to put away any shred of hope when I heard that Hamel's elbow was hurting. Without him for any length of time puts the Phils in a very bad way.
this is what i have been referring to all season about not letting them do it to you...i know exactly where yous are right now...its where i was the last three seasons and its sickeningly maddening...i feel free
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 25, 2007, 09:17:56 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 25, 2007, 08:38:19 AM
I hope they lose the remainder of the games on the homestand. Quit screwing around with us like you do every year and put us out of our misery early this time. I can't take another September of hoping for a miracle from these clowns.
Just end the season now you choking losers.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 25, 2007, 08:46:06 AM
I was able to put away any shred of hope when I heard that Hamel's elbow was hurting. Without him for any length of time puts the Phils in a very bad way.
this is what i have been referring to all season about not letting them do it to you...i know exactly where yous are right now...its where i was the last three seasons and its sickeningly maddening...i feel free
Oh, I was not thinking they would actually do it, but was trying to enjoy being in the chase. Without Hamels, the Phils have about as much chance of getting in as the Nationals. Hard to even force yourself to think they have a chance when their best healthy pitcher is Kyle Kendrick and/or Kyle Lohse.
geo i mean you had hope until hamels got hurt....whereas i have not had hope since spring training (when i always have hope)
and before someone says it...it is not a matter of saying i told you so its a matter of purging all hope from your body so not to be hurt again...its definitely not easy...but when you achieve it its a great feeling
That advise works best where all Philly sports teams are concerned. Well, except the Eagles anyway. I'm just flat-out retarded when it comes to them.
this team has become comical to watch. it was painful for awhile but not it's actually quite funny.
milton bradley almost blowing a gasket was pretty cool.
Bradley is a farging lunatic but I love him. I want a team full of crazy people it's endless entertainment. With that said, the chances of Tom Gordon not blowing a game he's in is around 0%.
you could sense that strikeout from across the pacific.
:-D :-D :-D we farging suck
padres homer announcer even said "oh no" on higuchi's almost homer.
howard? beating out a throw?
farg
Like a rainbow kiss spliced with ass juice, these are the days of the Phillies.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 25, 2007, 08:38:19 AM
Just end the season now you choking losers.
Just end the season now you choking motherfarging losers.
It's a good thing that the Phillies aren't owned by Michael Vick.
classy Brett Myers at it again...
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070825_ap_kevinkouzmanoffshomerliftspadresoverphillies43.html
QuoteAfter the game, Myers got into a shouting match with a reporter and had to be restrained by teammate Pat Burrell.
When Myers was asked about the two home runs, he said they were really "just pop ups."
A reporter from the Philadelphia Inquirer questioned whether Myers really thought they were pop ups, and Myers got angry.
"You're not even a beat reporter, you're a fill-in, you don't know anything about baseball," said Myers, who then called the reporter "retarded."
The Inquirer reporter asked if Myers could spell retarded, and Myers stood up. Burrell then restrained Myers, and Myers refused to speak any further.
ha, i would like to know who that reporter was
The first one landed 10 rows deep in right center. The second one landed in the flower beds in left.
Yep - both pop-ups.
Oh, and knowing that fruitcake the reporter in question was probably a woman.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!
Guess is Sam Carchidi, he fills in a lot. I met him, he's a nice guy. Funny response to that wife-beating, game-choking moron.
Quote from: MDS on August 25, 2007, 09:36:31 PM
Bradley is a farging lunatic but I love him. I want a team full of crazy people it's endless entertainment.
He was interviewed after the game tonight and praised our fans for the passion they show. I know he's not used to that in Diego.
Seriously an all crazy team would be great.
Michael Barrett, Shea Hillenbrand, Kenny Lofton, Milton Bradley, Brett Myers, the Giles'
Jeez San Diego has a buch.
I'm guessing Bob Ford wrote this last weekend and forgot to turn it in until yesterday? (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070826_Bob_Ford___Believe_it__Manuel_is_manager_of_the_year_.html)
football season can't start soon enuff, so I dont have to watch this fargin shtein baseball team anymore!
i pimped getting bradley when he was out there for the taking....dook is certifiable but hes a bawler
Even though its 6-1 in the 3rd I'm still optimistic they'll blow it.
audio of Myers vs Carchidi (http://podcast.kyw1060.com/kyw/627822.mp3)
13-1 Phils :-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
audio of Myers vs Carchidi (http://podcast.kyw1060.com/kyw/627822.mp3)
hahaha great stuff
Myers made an ass out of himself, I didn't sense any sarcasm in Carchdi's voice and he certainly didn't ask him anything that out of the ordinary.
Looks like the bums will salvage 1 game in this series, making this the 3rd series straight they've lost.
14-1 gutter sluts.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 03:30:11 PM
14-1 gutter sluts.
Hey, an even bigger lead for the bullpen to blow.
They score many more runs, they maybe outgun this pitching staff's proclivity for suckitude.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
audio of Myers vs Carchidi (http://podcast.kyw1060.com/kyw/627822.mp3)
Nice to see the anger-management classes working wonders.
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 10:08:56 AM
I'm guessing Bob Ford wrote this last weekend and forgot to turn it in until yesterday? (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070826_Bob_Ford___Believe_it__Manuel_is_manager_of_the_year_.html)
i'm guessing bob ford is on ice again.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 26, 2007, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
audio of Myers vs Carchidi (http://podcast.kyw1060.com/kyw/627822.mp3)
Nice to see the anger-management classes working wonders.
:-D
don't know who laughed harder, me or my son. :-D
gee, i find it hard to believe this guy could have ever beat up on anyone let alone his wife ::)
I sent the Phillies an e-mail acting like I was outraged by his conduct. I told them that if they didn't immediately suspend him my organization would boycott the team.
:-D
I told them not to bother sending me a reply because I had no interest in conversing with an organization who would gainfully employ a convicted wife beater.
:-D :-D
Romey, thats retarded
Seriously, that was the funniest audio i've heard in a long time
that audio is spectacular
Myers talked about the incident after today's game (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/082607-Myers.wmv)
According to one of the other beat writers, this Carchidi guy sucks and they weren't shocked to see him get yelled at...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 26, 2007, 11:49:57 PM
Myers talked about the incident after today's game (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/082607-Myers.wmv)
According to one of the other beat writers, this Carchidi guy sucks and they weren't shocked to see him get yelled at...
gotta love the "As a Man" I was waiting for him to say that he would punch that bitch in the face.
lineup for tonight:
Rollins
Utley
Burrell
Howard
Rowand
Dobbs
Werth
Coste
Durbin
of course dummy has burrell still hitting 3rd, what a farging moron.
Lord of the morons strikes again.
Branyan DFA'ed to make room
THat ump needs to be suspended for that fn horrible call, are you kidding me, good job getting tossed Manuel. WTF.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on August 27, 2007, 07:18:14 PM
THat ump needs to be suspended for that fn horrible call, are you kidding me, good job getting tossed Manuel. WTF.
Joe West has been making calls against the Phils like that for years.
Utley goes yard. Didn't expect to see that.
Good to see the Phils answer the Mets' two runs with two more of their own.
Met announcers are just salavating at the thought of the phillies bullpen making an appearence.
You want the bullpen? You get the bullpen. Milledge can't hit offspeed....
With Iguchi's homer (say hello to your new third baseman), the Phils are up 9-2.
Unfortunately, Tom Gordon is warming up, so they need more.
yeah, that's too creative for dummy to do
Nice play by Howard there.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 27, 2007, 09:44:10 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2007, 09:42:20 PM(say hello to your new third baseman)
no
Yeah, let's keep running Dobbs, Helms and Nunez out there. Give me Iguchi!
Werth's up to nine straight hits.
I just wanted to avoid the 4 game sweep. Mission Accomplished.
damn, how about Jason Werth, 9 hits in a row
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 27, 2007, 10:03:42 PM
I just wanted to avoid the 4 game sweep. Mission Accomplished.
Thanks, Georgie.
Quote from: SunMo on August 27, 2007, 10:03:49 PM
damn, how about Jason Werth, 9 hits in a row
[Mel Allen]How about that?[/Mel Allen]
Best team evaaaar!!
Werth is 1 hit away from tying the NL record of consecutive hits (No walks). The AL record is 12.
iguchi cant play third....he doesnt have the arm to get it over
lol
Can Kevin Kolb field grounders?
aaron rowand just hit a 5 foot game tying single...awesome
damm! i am jacked the phils tied it up but leaving the bases loaded this late sucks. Had the Mets by the jugular.
Heilman walks the bases loaded on four straight pitches to Dobbs so what does Coste do - yep, you guessed it - he swung at the first pitch.
LOL
did Myers enter the game to the Black Eyed Peas song "Let's Get Retarded"?
Edited - what is the deal with this board tonight?
Coste needs to get help from Rowand for better placement of his forty-five-foot hits.
1-2-3 from Mr. Paxil.
I believe that's the first time Charlie's moronic Burrell late game benching has actually worked.
choke dawg!
HOWARD!
MVP! MVP!
the black ryan howard. igy is spinning is his klan hood.
For those that were watching the Mets announcers - is Keith Hernandez back on the coke? That one shot where the camers showed the announcers, he looked wasted.
that was a shot...opposite field too, good stuff
that makes two from the mets.
I missed it. I actually farging missed it because I was answering a farging work-related e-mail!
That does it.
I fargING QUIT!
sweet mary mother of jesus! what a game!
way to represent the islands shane!
(http://domewright.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/amy.jpg)
I love those tits.
so does she...it takes the attention off her face
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2007, 10:18:22 PM
For those that were watching the Mets announcers - is Keith Hernandez back on the coke? That one shot where the camers showed the announcers, he looked wasted.
thankfully we had the phils group on mlb.com.
funny you mention Hernandez, everytime i get the mets broadcast i just imagine him sneaking off between innings for a little toot of splenda.
Quote from: SunMo on August 28, 2007, 10:24:17 PM
so does she...it takes the attention off her face
Butta tits.
Everything butta tits is a mess.
I'd still shoot love rockets at her grill, though. Thrice, in fact.
Mitch on PGL;
"When you have a guy who gets too gay...er, happy, with his changeup...that's what happens"
:-D
What's the word on Hamels? Anything yet?
Without him, all this is just a chasing of the wind.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2007, 10:44:29 PM
What's the word on Hamels? Anything yet?
Without him, all this is just a chasing of the wind.
Never mind, found it myself: Hopefully starting Sunday. (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070828&content_id=2175381&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2007, 10:46:16 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2007, 10:44:29 PM
What's the word on Hamels? Anything yet?
Without him, all this is just a chasing of the wind.
Never mind, found it myself: Hopefully starting Sunday. (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070828&content_id=2175381&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)
farging jesus. Could his hair be any worse? I'm comfortable saying that it could not.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2007, 10:47:10 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2007, 10:46:16 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2007, 10:44:29 PM
What's the word on Hamels? Anything yet?
Without him, all this is just a chasing of the wind.
Never mind, found it myself: Hopefully starting Sunday. (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070828&content_id=2175381&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)
farging jesus. Could his hair be any worse? I'm comfortable saying that it could not.
I'll freely admit that I paid no attention to the picture. Too narrowly focused on seeing when in the heck he'd pitch again.
EDIT: BAH
rjs is, how do you say... gay?
NM
I'm sorry, I don't care how hetero you are. It's impossible to let that shtein slide. I know that these clowns are getting paid lots of money and everyone adores them and blah blah blah, but come on. Buy some clothes. Get a farging haircut. Try not to beat the women around you. What is it with baseball players anyway?
he takes his cues from Zach on Saved By the Bell, and honestly I don't see a problem with that, including the oversized cell phone
Whatever, preppy.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2007, 11:02:45 PM
I'm sorry, I don't care how hetero you are. It's impossible to let that shtein slide. I know that these clowns are getting paid lots of money and everyone adores them and blah blah blah, but come on. Buy some clothes. Get a farging haircut. Try not to beat the women around you. What is it with baseball players anyway?
I contend that if you had a 7-figure salary, you'd be a bigger shteinhead than most MLB players.
(http://www.philaphans.com/forums/image.php?u=3593&dateline=1188394682)
If you're going to post a picture, post it right... so folks don't need binoculars to see the shtein.
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070829/capt.928999d61f304faebe4294e13292f16e.mets_phillies_baseball_park111.jpg)
die
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 29, 2007, 11:03:28 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 28, 2007, 11:02:45 PM
I'm sorry, I don't care how hetero you are. It's impossible to let that shtein slide. I know that these clowns are getting paid lots of money and everyone adores them and blah blah blah, but come on. Buy some clothes. Get a farging haircut. Try not to beat the women around you. What is it with baseball players anyway?
I contend that if you had a 7-figure salary, you'd be a bigger shteinhead than most MLB players.
Yeah. But I'd look farging good doing it.
Maybe you'd have a sex tape with Jessica Alba on the internet.
so i cracked a beer last night right after choke dogs homer and havent stopped since.....fugly
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 24, 2007, 07:57:03 AM
id like to rescind my mets phils prediciton
four game mets sweep behind 42 total runs scored for the mets
so how does my helmet taste?
Like a sour patch kid.
chase is out of the lineup today. :-\
Did he get attacked by Cole Hamels' mullet?
when did we get on a first name basis with the second basemen
He's white, you shouldn't mind.
I'm cool with Utley sitting against Oliver Perez. Dude is wild and I'd rather not see another one on his hands.
chrissy agress with you
Howard flashing a little leather to get the double play.
Might be time to shoot Moyer. His days may be gone.
damn that was close for Burrell
great at bat though
Bases loaded none out with the heart of the order up and all they get out of it is a lousy run on a sac fly.
World Series.
And Burrell's the only one with a decent AB.
Howard takes strike three. I would rather him go down swinging with men on base.
And Rowand flails at balls he has no chance of reaching.
On a side note, Paul LoDuca is the biggest snivveling, whining Hoyda in major league baseball.
ha...Reyes picked off twice tonight
Quote from: SunMo on August 29, 2007, 09:15:31 PM
ha...Reyes picked off twice tonight
He's having trouble reading the Phils' lefties. He's basically sucked in this series, which is great for the Phils.
Moyer ended up with a much better game than I thought he would judging from the first couple of innings. He was able to get himself out of trouble, which hasn't happened recently.
If they're bringing out Ol' Six Fingers, the Phils had damn well better score more runs.
the flagy mets are going to blame the ballpark for milledge's injury too
Quote from: SunMo on August 29, 2007, 09:23:27 PM
the flagy mets are going to blame the ballpark for milledge's injury too
The commentary on that play was hilarious. "You have to know where the wall is!"
why wouldn't you pinch hit with Utely here
Flash is up. Burrell needs to hit this one out right meow.
i'm pretty sure that Tom Gordon will give up a game tying home run here
Quote from: SunMo on August 29, 2007, 09:27:28 PM
i'm pretty sure that Tom Gordon will give up a game tying home run here
Not anymore Men on base now. :-X
he tried to serve one up to Beltran
There has been some damn fine defense tonight, on both sides.
yeah...for sure, this has been a great game
Myers just gave me a heart attack.
Myers looks fatigued toinight after the two innings last night.
Dang it - Marlon Anderson bites the Phils in the rear again.
I can't watch this.
Here comes to the choke job.
HOLY shtein! :-D
haha, that makes 3.
Wow.
Awesome
F'ing Mets
MY fargING COMPUTER FROZE! WHAT HAPPENED?
Marlon Anderson is a dumb farg
Yeah Bums!
I love seeing all the sad Mets fans leave who have to wait in that awful stadium traffic then have to drive 2 hours north.
Anderson ended up biting the Mets in the rear end after all.
I haven't seen that in years, and now I've seen the interference at 2nd base for a double play twice in a week. Diaz has balls to make that call to end the game, too. Good call, and an unnecessary move by Anderson. Green would have easily been safe at first.
Andersen rung up on an interference call. Game.
hahaha, Sarge went straight homer there
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 29, 2007, 10:02:34 PM
MY fargING COMPUTER FROZE! WHAT HAPPENED?
Anderson got called for interference on a double play attempt by the Phillies. Slid inside of second base, and used his arms to push Iguchi as he threw. Lance Diaz made the call to end the game.
Anderson didn't need to do it - Green would have been safe at first, and the tying run would have scored. Instead, Myers gets a gift save.
Quote from: SunMo on August 29, 2007, 10:03:53 PM
hahaha, Sarge went straight homer there
I think this play was a little more obvious than the Giles call though. Marlon hit Iguchi with a forearm shiver for chrissakes. What a dumb ass.
Quote from: NGM on August 29, 2007, 10:06:04 PM
Quote from: SunMo on August 29, 2007, 10:03:53 PM
hahaha, Sarge went straight homer there
I think this play was a little more obvious than the Giles call though. Marlon hit Iguchi with a forearm shiver for chrissakes. What a dumb ass.
No way. Ruiz went for the cut block on Giles and didn't even try to really slide. Both calls were absolutely correct.
I absolutely think the Giles call was correct, but when the Ump is standing right there and the runner goes inside and throws his arms into the 2nd baseman, way easier call for the Ump to make.
Willie Randolph is trying to say that Anderson's slide was legal and there was nothing obstructive about it.
::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 29, 2007, 10:28:16 PM
Willie Randolph is trying to say that Anderson's slide was legal and there was nothing obstructive about it.
::)
missed the ninth inning as I had to get don jr. to football practice. just saw the replay on ESPN News. My god, Anderson looked like the headhunter on the kickoff team. Watching Willie Randolph cry as the Phils are all highfiving each other right next to him was classic.
Sorry, Willie. Even your own announcers were saying it was interference.
I swear to god this is all a cocktease but I can't help but think maybe they'll do it.
Quote from: MDS on August 29, 2007, 11:53:27 PM
I swear to god this is all a cocktease but I can't help but think maybe they'll do it.
of course it is. phils win tomorrow, i will really start thinking it can happen.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 29, 2007, 10:37:40 PMWatching Willie Randolph cry as the Phils are all highfiving each other right next to him was classic.
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Cowboy Joe:
Quote"Marlon Anderson went after the second baseman to break up the double play and did not, and could not reach the base, which is what he argued. He went out of his way to interfere with the play that created the interference. CB [Bucknor] made a great call, made a gutsy call and he didn't back down from the call at all."
Randolph and Anderson think that as long as you touch some part of the base when sliding, you can maul a guy...
Now to lose the next 4 and make this a waste of time....
maybe marlon gets an emmy for his performance. i was actually waitin for wright to come out and give his two cents worth or lo duca.
Quote from: MDS on August 30, 2007, 12:27:36 AM
Now to lose the next 4 and make this a waste of time....
dude, you are starting to sound a lot like me. buddy of mine told me tonight "hey, Phillies are looking good" and I gave him the same response. than again he is a huge red sox fan and his sphincter is so tight right now he's turning blue.
here's what I cant understand, and maybe somebody else has a better explanation. Why do you take Romero out after he pitched a solid 7th inning, and put Gordon in to face 2 lefties--one that has been batting .667 with multiple homers against him?
Is there a reason you have to go a pitcher an inning from the 7th? Cant these pitchers throw 2 solid innings in a row (aside from Meyers) and keep the momentum going if they have it?
I've watched the play several times now and two things come to mind. First, I'm not sure Anderson was wrong. He was within proximity of the bag when he stated his slide so he does have a point (although no one can say he didn't intentionally try to drill and interfere with Iguchi).
Second, he's a farging idiot for not interpreting the play as it was happening. Iguchi had zero chance of making the throw so even if Anderson had peeled off into shallow right field it wouldn't have made a difference in the world. Green was going to be safe, Chavez was already having Gatorade in the dugout by the time Iguchi made his pivot so it's automatically a tie game with Green safe at first.
Marlon was never the sharpest tool in the shed as a Phillie and his horrendous base running blunder cost the Mets the game. It's nice to see an opposing team get reamed for doing something stupid for a change.
Naturally, it requires an ex-Phillie to make a gaffe this severe.
Quote from: reese125 on August 30, 2007, 08:05:06 AM
here's what I cant understand, and maybe somebody else has a better explanation. Why do you take Romero out after he pitched a solid 7th inning, and put Gordon in to face 2 lefties--one that has been batting .667 with multiple homers against him?
Is there a reason you have to go a pitcher an inning from the 7th? Cant these pitchers throw 2 solid innings in a row (aside from Meyers) and keep the momentum going if they have it?
Too many managers, including Charlie, are by the book when it comes to the BP and how to use it.
With that being said, Charlie is the manager of the year. What he is doing with this collection of scrubs is pretty good.
What Bob Melvin is doing with the Diamondbacks is more impressive.
And Lou Piniella has to be given serious consideration as well. The Cubs were 30 games under .500 last year and now they sit atop the Central 3 games over .500.
Sure, they spent a ton of dough, but still, they've made a pretty remarkable turnaround despite not having Prior & Kerry Wood all season.
I wouldn't mention Wood or Prior since both were known to be damaged even before this season.
Piniella or Melvin haven't had the injuries to deal with like ol' Chuck either.
Get Silva?
QuoteWith the Twins losing again, the Phillies might be able to acquire righthander Carlos Silva from the Twins, baseball sources said last night. Silva, 28, is a groundball pitcher with a 10-13 record and a 4.33 ERA who will be a free agent after this season. The Phillies developed him as a reliever, then traded him in after the 2003 season. They have been talking with the Twins about Silva for a couple of weeks
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2007, 08:49:38 AM
Quote from: reese125 on August 30, 2007, 08:05:06 AM
here's what I cant understand, and maybe somebody else has a better explanation. Why do you take Romero out after he pitched a solid 7th inning, and put Gordon in to face 2 lefties--one that has been batting .667 with multiple homers against him?
Is there a reason you have to go a pitcher an inning from the 7th? Cant these pitchers throw 2 solid innings in a row (aside from Meyers) and keep the momentum going if they have it?
Too many managers, including Charlie, are by the book when it comes to the BP and how to use it.
With that being said, Charlie is the manager of the year. What he is doing with this collection of scrubs is pretty good.
Actually this time had nothing to do with being by the book. Romero had pitched 3 games straight, and 4 out of 5 days.
With Romero being on of your more reliable pen guys, and a day game the next day, you had to take him out, if you over pitch him, your farged even more.
Gordon sucks, yes...but he pitched against the same batters (Wright and Beltran) monday night and shut them down.
Also the book says Gordon is the 8th inning man, and he comes regardless of the fact that he'd face the middle of the lineup/sucks.
LOL at Silva. Only in the Phillies universe could acquiring a sub .500 pitcher with an ERA over 4.00 be considered a coup and an upgrade.
Losers.
"With Romero being on of your more reliable pen guys, and a day game the next day, you had to take him out, if you over pitch him, your farged even more."
Thats my point. Why cant these pitchers go more than an inning regardless of how many days you pitch in a row? They surely dont practice for 1 inning only. I know you have the rest of the pen to rely on--again for only an inning--but you would think that if these guys are striking batters out and having a solid stance on the mound, they could go one more?
I see your point with Gordon facing the batters the previous night and it could happen again that he downs them, but why take a chance when your pitcher out there is hot?
seriously...give Charlie manager of the year, see what i do...
it's not like i have something planned, i have no idea...but something will happen
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 09:22:53 AM
seriously...give Charlie manager of the year, see what i do...
it's not like i have something planned, i have no idea...but something will happen
It will make you hungry or horny, but either way your kids are in a lot of trouble?
Quote from: reese125 on August 30, 2007, 09:22:27 AM
"With Romero being on of your more reliable pen guys, and a day game the next day, you had to take him out, if you over pitch him, your farged even more."
Thats my point. Why cant these pitchers go more than an inning regardless of how many days you pitch in a row? They surely dont practice for 1 inning only. I know you have the rest of the pen to rely on--again for only an inning--but you would think that if these guys are striking batters out and having a solid stance on the mound, they could go one more?
I see your point with Gordon facing the batters the previous night and it could happen again that he downs them, but why take a chance when your pitcher out there is hot?
Read what I posted again, it's the same answer.
And also because there is still over a month left to play. If Romero had come out in the 8th, and blew out his arm, you'd be posting about how Manuel should have taken him out.
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 09:22:53 AM
seriously...give Charlie manager of the year, see what i do...
it's not like i have something planned, i have no idea...but something will happen
I'm hoping he gets Manager of the Year.
Quote from: reese125 on August 30, 2007, 09:22:27 AM
"With Romero being on of your more reliable pen guys, and a day game the next day, you had to take him out, if you over pitch him, your farged even more."
Thats my point. Why cant these pitchers go more than an inning regardless of how many days you pitch in a row? They surely dont practice for 1 inning only. I know you have the rest of the pen to rely on--again for only an inning--but you would think that if these guys are striking batters out and having a solid stance on the mound, they could go one more?
Myers kind of being an exception, most relievers are there because they can't hold up for extended periods of work. Also, it can sometimes be because a limited repertoire of pitches can allow batters to kind of dial them in if they see them again in a game, but they are usually in the pen because their stamina allows for only limited work.
charlie could've used Gordon in the 7th and Romero in the 8th. but that would be too creative for him
Yay! Let's harp on the manager after winning 3 in a row vs the division leader!
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it's not hard when he's the worst...ever
I don't care how bad he is...if it leads to a playoff berth, then more power to him.
it's in spite of him...he's lost games for them this year...they might be tied with the mets right now if not for him
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Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 09:42:32 AM
it's in spite of him...he's lost games for them this year...they might be tied with the mets right now if not for him
I'm not arguing that at all.
But they may also be 5 games further back with another manager with all the injuries. The players like him, they play hard for him, despite his short comings and the entire roster of injuries they have suffered they are 3 back of the division and on the verge of a 4 game sweep of the only team ahead of them.
Everyone sees it. Last night his moves won. Blind squirell theory may be in effect... but to me that is irrelevant.
i can agree with that. cookie?
Chewy chuncky chocolate chip, please.
lol @ charlie manager of the year
Manager of the Decade?
hes the best of everything.........in japan
Heard this analogy to the bums and Phils fans on WIP an hour ago and thought it hit home:
(http://static.firedoglake.com/2006/12/charlie_brown_lucy_football.jpg)
i heard it too...3 years ago
(http://blogs.townonline.com/PKInsider/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/chocolate-chip-cookie-on-white-background-photographic-print-c12005484.jpeg)
for anybody (see: Anderson, Marlon) who thinks the play wasn't interference
(http://members.aol.com/doug3esq/obstruction.jpg)
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 12:17:31 PM
for anybody (see: Anderson, Marlon) who thinks the play wasn't interference
(http://members.aol.com/doug3esq/obstruction.jpg)
That's why I don't get how Willie Randolph could POSSIBLY have seen the replay when he was spouting off afer the game last night.
It looks like good ol' Marlon wants to get a mouthful of Iguchi's sack.
i don't blame him, i love sushi
I wonder if he tastes more like salmon roe or eel. Either way... delicious.
Closeup
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1715/410wdr1.jpg)
Its pretty obvious what he was doing.
it actually was a very smart play by MA...if you dont try to clean dooks clock then the game is over...if you do do it then theres a chance the ump doesnt call it....and willie has to argue after the game
Shut up, baldy.
real recognize real.....and i dont know you
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 30, 2007, 12:33:12 PM
Shut up, baldy.
I feel like if a Philly did that, IGY would being saying how it was a typical idiotic play by the worst team ever.
Also, if we are talking about a man going after an Asian man's sushi, wouldn't it make sense to say he was going after the "rainbow roll?" Which, incidentally is extremely good.
Quote from: NGM on August 30, 2007, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 30, 2007, 12:33:12 PM
Shut up, baldy.
I feel like if a Philly did that, IGY would being saying how it was a typical idiotic play by the worst team ever.
Also, if we are talking about a man going after an Asian man's sushi, wouldn't it make sense to say he was going after the "rainbow roll?" Which, incidentally is extremely good.
Do you know that Iguchi's is that delicious from personal experience? I'm guessing yes.
Rollins
Utley
Burrrell
Howard
Rowand
Dobbs
Werth
Ruiz
Lohse
i really thought Rowand would get the day off today, he looks beat right now
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 30, 2007, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: NGM on August 30, 2007, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 30, 2007, 12:33:12 PM
Shut up, baldy.
I feel like if a Philly did that, IGY would being saying how it was a typical idiotic play by the worst team ever.
Also, if we are talking about a man going after an Asian man's sushi, wouldn't it make sense to say he was going after the "rainbow roll?" Which, incidentally is extremely good.
Do you know that Iguchi's is that delicious from personal experience? I'm guessing yes.
Someone had to show him around Philly. So what if we got a little drunk.
(http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/kennedys_dallas1.jpg)
The Phillies Are Going To Choke Again, Jackie!
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 12:44:57 PM
Rollins
Utley
Burrrell
Howard
Rowand
Dobbs
Werth
Ruiz
Lohse
i really thought Rowand would get the day off today, he looks beat right now
Oh shtein...lol, TOTALLY forgot today was a day game. Thanks. :)
wow, clever and distasteful
B+
from last night...check out dude ready to cock punch mets fan in jorts
(http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/08/metsphilliesfight.jpg)
from deadspin
haha, gotta love any picks like that
The video on Deadspin from it is great. :-D
I'LL BUY YOU A BEER!!!
Haha! Classic.
Choke dawg!
I'm ready to donkey punch the fargers at Bright House Networks. My cable hookup keeps freezing at my office. They were here this morning working on it and it was supposed to be resolved.
iceholes.
QuoteThis is another one of those 2 out situations again...where you either get runs or you don't.
Thanks for that gem of knowledge Wheels. :-D
if jesus came back and granted me one wish...i would put serious consideration into using it to wish that wheeler had a massive on-air stroke
farging Burrell against the mets
Bat!!
PAT BURRELL!
Right at the Phanatic..
4-0
AARON ROWAND!
Same spot.
Bums up 5-0
When do they lose the "bums" title? Playoffs?
WS
:-D
Maybe they'll lose the 'Bums' title when they're actually in position to play a playoff game. They aren't even leading the wild card chase. Just settle down there, sister.
Re-sign Pat Burrell
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 02:14:05 PM
WS
yup, and that means ws win. 5-0 lead here but there's still a lot of game to play
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2007, 02:17:22 PM
Maybe they'll lose the 'Bums' title when they're actually in position to play a playoff game. They aren't even leading the wild card chase. Just settle down there, sister.
Oh wait, I totally agree with the title of Bums...I was just curious when we're supposed to stop using it. IMO...playoffs...as I said.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2007, 02:17:22 PM
Maybe they'll lose the 'Bums' title when they're actually in position to play a playoff game. They aren't even leading the wild card chase. Just settle down there, sister.
she's your sister?
pat the bat is a mets killer.
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on August 30, 2007, 02:17:22 PM
Maybe they'll lose the 'Bums' title when they're actually in position to play a playoff game. They aren't even leading the wild card chase. Just settle down there, sister.
she's your sister?
I'm trying to think of the most inappropriate way to respond to this.
Lohse doing his best to screw this up.
Gas can warming up....and its only the farging 4th. :boom
Lohse gone....in coming Gas can.
with 2 men on.
Game will be tied by the time this inning is over. :boom
Anytime you get excited about the phillies, they give you a reason not to be.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2007, 02:36:10 PM
Game will be tied by the time this inning is over. :boom
wrong! nancy negative
Solid play by choke dawg to end the inning
5-3 bums
They need to put back 2 of those runs in this inning. I was hoping Lohse would go further than this. :boo
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2007, 02:36:10 PM
Game will be tied by the time this inning is over. :boom
wrong! nancy negative
No one's ever called me that before. :-D :paranoid
hopefully Geoff can manage to not knock his face off during this at bat
Kyle Lohse might as well have been picked up by ed wade.
Lohsesey?
CHOOCH!
Pinch hit single Flyin Hawaaiin - 7-5
8-5 Bums.
I like how they came right back and hung three on them after the Mets tied it up.
Clutch.
Rowand just robbed Phillies killa of extra bases
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 30, 2007, 03:38:33 PM
Rowand just robbed Phillies killa of extra bases
loved burrell's reaction! like a cheerleader "we want the referee to go like this!"
wtf with the Brady Bunch music? :-D
wow Werth just robbed Beltran of extra bases
That was the first 1-2-3 inning of the game, for either side.
sphincter check.
farging Alfonseca.
Romero should have stayed in.
farg! phils are lucky that thing didn't go yard.
WALKING REYES?
i can see doing it if you can double up the next hitter
but Endy Chavez is not a double play guy
he's farging atrocious.
fargING ATROCIOUS
He shoudl NEVER be in this game.
six fingers you suck as bad as charlie.
bums
OK now i am so farging pissed off!
this will be our equivalent to the Astros game last year.
WHY IS HE STILL IN THIS fargING GAME? :boom :boom :boom
do we still want to talk about Charlie as manager of the year?
oh, now i feel a whole lot better with mesa in.
This was the dumbest farging move to leave him in there after he tied it up.
I mean, dumb as a farging stump.
An extremely pathetic team.
A man on first, one out, bring in ole six fingers to give up 4 runs... woo!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2007, 04:28:24 PM
This was the dumbest farging move to leave him in there after he tied it up.
I mean, dumb as a farging stump.
it was stupid to take out Romero...i don't care about matchups
it was stupid to pinch hit with your worst hitter (nunez)
it was stupid to walk the go ahead run when he's been pathetic the entire series and you don't have a double play threat behind him
etc, etc, etc...
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 30, 2007, 04:28:37 PM
An extremely pathetic team.
Not sure why you'd say that. Yes, I'm pissed about how this game is going, but to say they are an extremely pathetic team is pretty pathetic in itself. They've been playing great ball.
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 04:30:40 PM
etc, etc, etc...
this should be the mandatory post for the remainder of the season on any phillies subject matter.
ha
go Colt Brennan
billy wags in for a 6 out save...i feel a lump job coming
a phillies sweep would be devastating to the Mets. With three coming up with the braves, the tribe would be smelling blood. this kind of comeback may just give the mets the confidence they need to turn things around.
shtein, wagner.
Wagner for 2 innings?
The phils will tie this game if they expect wagner to go 2.
Wasn't Wagner in for 2 innings in that Houston game 2 years ago?
Burrell owns wag and the Mets
Whew how brutal is that Billy Wagner fellow, wow. He wouldn't even make the Phillies roster thats how brutal that dude is.
you KNOW Wagner HATED that too. :-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2007, 04:40:17 PM
you KNOW Wagner HATED that too. :-D
I guess he threw it at Pats bat again
Billy's throwing a lot of pitches already...he'll be spent by the 9th. "
Come on Helms do something for a change.
Helms, as always, does NOTHING.
Ha...wagner hit burrell's bat, again, hard.
another bad decision by charlie
helms to ph over iguchi or coste
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 04:49:05 PM
another bad decision by charlie
helms to ph over iguchi or coste
He'll need one of those in the 9th to bat for babe.
yeah...but there was a man on in the 8th, you gotta try to get him home when you have the chance
I have to agree with Sun here...another zesty move by Cholly.
I don't disagree with him. I was just sayin...
here's iguchi, with Werth on first..so it's basically the same situation
they have to try to steal 2nd, you can run on Wagner, he can't hold a pile of shtein on 1st base
wow, that was one zesty farging strike call there.
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 04:58:23 PM
here's iguchi, with Werth on first..so it's basically the same situation
they have to try to steal 2nd, you can run on Wagner, he can't hold a pile of shtein on 1st base
good call :-D
Jason Werth! nice!
can't hold em at second either apparently
You know this is going to end completely in disappointment, don't you? :-D
holy shtein this is tense...i'm at my desk no moving, farg
Good Lord, nevermind. :paranoid
Tie ballgame!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2007, 05:00:52 PM
You know this is going to end completely in disappointment, don't you? :-D
wrong nancy!
Iguchi! What a farging game this is
Who the farg is this team?
Seriously.
no farging way!!!!
Quote from: Wingspan on August 30, 2007, 04:36:41 PM
Wagner for 2 innings?
The phils will tie this game if they expect wagner to go 2.
Say what?
I feel like an Astros fan must have felt watching their former closer blow the game for the opposing team.
Nice steal Iguchi
werth made that by stealing those bags, holy shtein
and they steal another one
keep running...they can't shtein
Goddamn this is the best baseball game I have seen in awhile.
Iguchi is the best pinch hitter in the NL right now and Werth is the best outfielder period in the NL right now. The Mets have the worst bullpen in the major leagues right now.
brass balls! i love this shtein.
Quote from: NGM on August 30, 2007, 05:03:23 PM
Goddamn this is the best baseball game I have seen in awhile.
I feel like I've been saying that every night for the past few days. :-D
Burrell being up next is niiiiiice too. LOL
Wagner getting nervous.
Nancy.
Tey have to win this in 9...the bullpen can't hold them.
yes tey do, yes tey do
If utley gets on, how much do you want to bet Pat hits into a double play? :-D
what is with you today?
Utley!! Phils win, Phils win!
BALLGAME!
HOLY shtein!!!! UTLEY!!
What a farging game!
Who is this farging team?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!
YES YES YES!!
farg you keith hernandez!
Quote from: NGM on August 30, 2007, 05:03:23 PM
Goddamn this is the best baseball game I have seen in awhile.
no doubt. that was so cool. beating wagner was even cooler.
Fire Charlie Now!
and Trade Burrell!
;)
listening to this game was better than watching most games
That was a great farging game of baseball.
Agree. No Wheeler on the radio
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2007, 04:26:11 PM
do we still want to talk about Charlie as manager of the year?
Yep.
Having Iguchi up there in the 9th was exactly who they needed.
Amazing game. Amazing.
Jayson Werth did to Wagner what Eric Bruntlett did to him a few years ago against the Phils. Swipe 'em both and single handedly tie the game.
Whats with Burrell showing EMOTION. A lot of it.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Replay at 7 on CSN for the people like me that are stuck at work. Highs to lows to highs again. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
They'd better not fall asleep and have major letdown against the Fish.
Bottom line....Werth has balls of steel. Game changer
I dont know if Rollins would of even pulled that move off
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2007, 05:20:22 PM
They'd better not fall asleep and have major letdown against the Fish.
You stop it young lady. You're starting to sound like an N word.
Negladelphian ;D
Kendrick vs Sergio Mitre
Real Deal vs BK Kim
Hamels vs Scott "I HATE THE PHILLIES" Olsen
Meanwhile the Mets get Hudson and Smoltz again :yay
Scott Olsen is a Hoyda.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 30, 2007, 05:26:03 PM
Scott Olsen is a Hoyda.
i hope that farger pitches in philly next week. crucify that bastich.
What the farg. I followed the end along on gameday while in may Journalism Research class (yea its a bore), this team is a joke. It's all a cocktease. Don't buy in. I can't help it.
Werth every penny. Easily best outfieldier in the national ligg right now.
The next series with Florida is the key series, because this is the type of series the Phils typically blow after a big one. If the Phils can sweep or win the series, then they make the playoffs. If not they don't.
Ew, Dei Lynam is pregnant.
My daughter and I were listening to the game on XM when Utley got the game-winning hit. She was screaming and high-fiving me in the car. I realized at that moment that the curse of being a Phillies fan has officially been transferred to her just like it was from my father to me, his father to him and so on.
Poor thing.
:-D
Also - I'm thinking about buying into this team. I know I shouldn't. My head, my heart, my guts and even that little voice inside my head that usually tells me to cheer them on no matter what is screaming "DON'T DO IT - NOT AGAIN!" but I'm seriously considering it.
Kill me now.
:-[
Also Part II - speaking of Burrell, did anyone else notice him standing behind home plate when Iguchi scored? Did you see his reaction?? Who is that imposter!?!
Burrell has been crazy. He was jumping around like a little kid when Rowand made that catch in the 6th (or 5th?) inning. More importantly, he's been out of his mind lately. Why the hell not buy in, we've been paying attention, although cynically, all season. It's the last month, let's sit back and watch 'em get swept by Florida.
Go team!
Lo Duca was just crying like a little bitch. He said yeah we'll get these guys later, they're dancing around the field and celebrating now but we're gonna get them later (I paraphrased and probably farged that up because it was beyond pathetic)
video of Utley's walkoff (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/1isme/?action=view¤t=THEwin.flv)
HA! Nice MF-bomb there at the end. Hahahaha.
Since I have a job that doesn't usually let me camp on the computer all day (though I was able to keep track of the score), I got a kick out of reading all the posts already knowing the outcome of the game. We're all a bunch of degenerates. :-D
Some thoughts of the game:
- Romero couldn't go too long. He'll be needed a lot in the last month as the Phils continue to be in the race. The last week, you may keep him in. Right now, you've got to conserve the arm.
- As much as we've blasted Burrell earlier this season, he's been a beast since the all-star break. He could easily be the second-half MVP of this team, and will likely end up with 30 homers and over 90 RBI. I didn't think he's be close to this in June. On the radio, they said he has the top batting average since the break (.352).
- Jimmy Rollins has backed up his talk against the Mets this season. He's batting .344, and his OPS is 1.090 against New York.
- After his recent slip, Howard has seen the ball better the past few games, and his average is back up over .270.
- Aaron Roward, today's HR beside, has been dreadful lately. He needs a day off badly.
- I was keeping track of the score at school, the last I saw it was 8-5 Phils. I had a few things to do at the office before I got in my car, and when I got there to turn on the XM, it was 10-8 Mets. I listened to the rest of the game while driving home (about 45 minutes) on I-75. A car passed me as Burrell hit the home run, and looked at me like I was nuts as I was screaming "PAT!" in the car. I was only about a mile from home when Utley knocked in Iguchi to win the game. They could probably hear me carrying on like an idiot all the way back to school. My voice is hoarse tonight.
- Not sure what the name of the new radio announcer is, but he's pretty good. I enjoyed listening to him.
- Andersen played the homer when the Phils won. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
- Romey, are you heading to one of the games against the Marlins? I may try to get down on Saturday or Sunday. Would love to catch Cole Hamels on Sunday if he's really going out.
- That was one hell of a series. All four games competitive, offering a little bit of everything (pretty good pitching the first three games, great defensive plays, comebacks, timely hitting, a few controversial calls), and the Phillies winning all four (and the final three by a total of five runs) just energizes me for watching the team in September.
- This team is different from the last several years just in the fact that they seem to truly enjoy playing baseball, and enjoy playing each other. If Charlie Manuel has something to do with that, then he deserves some credit. Yes, he is a horrific strategic manager, but this team has something intangible that has been missing. Whether it's enough to push them over the hump is questionable, but let's hope for a fun and memorable stretch run.
They just showed that brawl lastnight in the stands - I love our fans.
Cant wait for the sob story about how the mets fan was just minding his own business, and the philly fans attacked him for no reason. Muck the Fets
sd the video??
Avoid Smoltz, but will get Hudson on Wednesday afternoon for the Braves series. Mets get both of em. Looks like the Phillies will skip Eaton, go Moyer-Lohse-Kendrick in that series. If Durbin sucks it up on Saturday, maybe he'll head for the pen.
enjoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGUJGrqGSfU)
There is not one ounce of hyperbole or overstatement when I say, "Worst video ever."
the one on action news looked a whole lot better
there is actually another clip on there that was shot from the aisle the fight started on. much better. some good punches thrown.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 31, 2007, 02:36:12 AM
there is actually another clip on there that was shot from the aisle the fight started on. much better. some good punches thrown.
you mean this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3KgJndRhEI)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 31, 2007, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on August 31, 2007, 02:36:12 AM
there is actually another clip on there that was shot from the aisle the fight started on. much better. some good punches thrown.
you mean this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3KgJndRhEI)
awesomeness, kind of explains why it happened
Was the guy saying "you're a Hoyda, you're a Hoyda..." a Mets fan? Regardless, he got his ass pounded by the fans and the security dorks for his troubles.
Pretty good stuff but nothing like the Vet.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 31, 2007, 08:47:26 AM
Was the guy saying "you're a Hoyda, you're a Hoyda..." a Mets fan? Regardless, he got his ass pounded by the fans and the security dorks for his troubles.
Pretty good stuff but nothing like the Vet.
He should have gotten his chiclets knocked out right then, but either way he got his. That dude in the pink shirt took 6 ushers to control, must have been hanging out in the Mets lockerroom
Hamels suffers setback in his BP session - will not start Sunday
Branyan traded to STL for the ever-popular PTBNL
Gas Can Geary to AAA - Kane Davis called up
More Adam Eaton. Yea.
Kendrick was hit by a pitch on the right shoulder (while squaring to bunt). He stayed on base, but they have Condrey warming up in the bullpen.
:boom
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 31, 2007, 07:41:50 PM
Kendrick was hit by a pitch on the right shoulder (while squaring to bunt). He stayed on base, but they have Condrey warming up in the bullpen.
:boom
Kendrick stayed in the game. :-X
5-0 Phils after 2
Harry has gone through 2 mics already
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 31, 2007, 07:53:23 PM
5-0 Phils after 2
Harry has gone through 2 mics already
What kind of drink is that?
Yes, a poor excuse of a joke. Too bad.
ha...he started the broadcast with "The Dolphins take the field!"
I'll say it: It's kind of more fun when they're losing.
Werth is on fire
How is it this pitcher pegs three guys, including the opposing pitcher, in two innings, and doesn't get tossed?
The Marlins announcers are farging putrid.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 31, 2007, 08:03:24 PM
How is it this pitcher pegs three guys, including the opposing pitcher, in two innings, and doesn't get tossed?
Because NOBODY watches the Marlins...........including the umps.
Quote from: PPinDC on August 31, 2007, 08:03:24 PM
How is it this pitcher pegs three guys, including the opposing pitcher, in two innings, and doesn't get tossed?
The Marlins announcers are farging putrid.
I didn't see the third HBP, but the first two were clearly not intentional. The starter just didn't have any command at all.
That said, Hanley Ramirez better get one off the backside.
Tommy Hutton (former Phil) isn't too bad a color commentator if paired with a strong PBP. Unfortunately, the schmuck doing it right now isn't cutting it.
MLB.TV is blacked out up here again.
275 miles from Miami, but sure, I can drive down there and catch a game. No problem.
I hope Bud Selig & his gang of retards gets AIDS, Sickle Cell, Ebola, SARS & the Chicken Pox.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 31, 2007, 08:40:43 PM
I hope Bud Selig & his gang of retards gets AIDS, Sickle Cell, Ebola, SARS & the Chicken Pox.
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 31, 2007, 08:40:43 PM
MLB.TV is blacked out up here again.
275 miles from Miami, but sure, I can drive down there and catch a game. No problem.
I hope Bud Selig & his gang of retards gets AIDS, Sickle Cell, Ebola, SARS & the Chicken Pox.
I think I'm heading down from Naples tomorrow with two of my nephews. Bit shorter trip for me - especially from my house (I hit the Alley on the Everglades City exit).
I was going to try to hold out for Sunday afternoon's game, but since Hamels isn't pitching, I'd rather do the night game.
I asked my wife if she wanted to make the drive down tomorrow.
Her reaction: :-D
I have the Gameday graphic on and it says that Ramirez just stole third. They're down 6-1 and he's stealing third with one out?
Alrighty.
Wow - now I'm confused. It says Ramirez scored even though Cabrera struck out. Was it a wild pitch or did butterfingers Ruiz drop a third strike?
Having fun?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 31, 2007, 09:03:16 PM
Wow - now I'm confused. It says Ramirez scored even though Cabrera struck out. Was it a wild pitch or did butterfingers Ruiz drop a third strike?
Wild pitch strikeout
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 31, 2007, 08:36:45 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on August 31, 2007, 08:03:24 PM
How is it this pitcher pegs three guys, including the opposing pitcher, in two innings, and doesn't get tossed?
Because NOBODY watches the Marlins...........including the umps.
sounds like there's 6 people in attendance tonight. time to move this team to Las Vegas or Portland, OR.
Farging Braves are getting beat by the Mets right now. 4-1 ^7.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 31, 2007, 08:59:22 PM
I have the Gameday graphic on and it says that Ramirez just stole third. They're down 6-1 and he's stealing third with one out?
Alrighty.
Kendrick was paying zero attention to Ramirez, giving him a huge walking lead. No reason not to take a gift base.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 31, 2007, 09:03:16 PM
Wow - now I'm confused. It says Ramirez scored even though Cabrera struck out. Was it a wild pitch or did butterfingers Ruiz drop a third strike?
Wild pitch. Was all Ruiz could do to throw slow-footed Cabrera out at first. I think that the scoring goes Strike Out, Wild Pitch, Fielder's Choice (PO3)
Well, that seemed pretty easy.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2007, 10:18:32 PM
Well, that seemed pretty easy.
There didn't seem to be a letdown at all from the Mets series. That was a wonderful thing to see.
Nonstop maracas for 3+ hours
Durbin with the "0+" on the box score....he's gone already
6-1 Marlins...still in the 1st inning
Phils put 3 on the board in the 2nd. Had a chance for more but didn't get it done. Still though, lead cut to 7-4 Fishies. Plenty of game left in this one. They need to win it too because the Mets won again today plus they reportedly have Pedro Martinez coming back on Sunday or Monday. Don't know how healthy he is but he's certainly one pitcher I haven't missed watching the Phils go up against this year.
Pedro is throwing 87 mph fastballs with no movement. Bring him back.
Also Cole Hamels needs to come back. Durbin and Eaton both suck, so only having to cross your fingers that once every 5 days that one of them can make it through 5 innings is enough.
No tits and ass for JD tonight.
I know Pedro doesn't have anything close to his old velocity but I've read that his breaking stuff is looking pretty good. And dude is a gamer too. I hate the fact that he's on the Mets because he's one of my favorite pitchers but he's a tough competitor. He could go out there and toss the ball under handed and he'd still find a way to get guys out.
Quote from: MDS on September 01, 2007, 08:02:17 PM
No tits and ass for JD tonight.
So what are you going to do with your extra free time now?
Pedro sucks. He is shot, but not as bad as Tom Gordon.
www.myspace.com/titsandassforme was Durbin's myspace page.
http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/jd-durbin-is-quite-clear-about-what-he-likes-251004.php
Sorry, Skippy. I'm not into that. With him.
Quote from: MDS on September 01, 2007, 08:18:36 PM
www.myspace.com/titsandassforme was Durbin's myspace page.
It's just some cyber slut's page now.
this lineup is sickeningly frustrating
phils should be spanking this lifeless franchise and their hardcor fans.
i bet you a maraca 3/4 of the people in this crowd (all 9 of them) couldn't name one member of the 97 World Series team.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 01, 2007, 09:26:07 PM
this lineup is sickeningly frustrating
theyve won six in a row. you were nowhere to be found. then they play like ass for one game and here you are with the bitchy comment. shocker.
Quote from: MDS on September 01, 2007, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 01, 2007, 09:26:07 PM
this lineup is sickeningly frustrating
theyve won six in a row. you were nowhere to be found. then they play like ass for one game and here you are with the bitchy comment. shocker.
:-D
Vintage igy.
Alfonseca should never pitch again for this team. Seriously.
So I went to the game with my nephew and his friend... what a game to pick. BOOOOOOO!
I did enjoy some verbal sparring with the local Marlins fans.
Them: Let's go Marlins!
Me: All the way to Vegas/Portland/Charlotte (I rotated)
By and large it was just fun ribbing - I cheered loudly for the Phillies, and they laughed when I called Burrel Patricia.
Quote from: MDS on September 01, 2007, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 01, 2007, 09:26:07 PM
this lineup is sickeningly frustrating
theyve won six in a row. you were nowhere to be found. then they play like ass for one game and here you are with the bitchy comment. shocker.
and ill be here when they miss the playoffs....lol @ you trying to tell everyone how much you know they arent going anywhere this year an at the same time catching feelings over me killin the team....make your mind up
i know they arent gonna go, but it doesnt stop me for rooting/hoping. and im not gonna start complaining when they cant win a game where the starting pitcher gives up 7 runs with recording an out. they scored 6 runs even though utley, burrell and howard did nothing. the offense is money, its always been the farging pitching.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 01, 2007, 10:27:12 PM
Alfonseca should never pitch again for this team. Seriously.
That's funny. If the search function weren't busted, I clearly recall about 3 weeks ago when I said something similar and I got bashed by you for it... since he HAPPENED to have a good outing that night.
Shocker.
Get Wickman
(http://thecookscottage.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/19/malabar_sole_fried_fish.jpg)
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2007, 01:11:58 AMSo I went to the game with my nephew and his friend... what a game to pick. BOOOOOOO!
Were those stupid maracas as annoying in person as they were on TV? It was f'ing nonstop.. :boom
Dancing Wheels (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/1isme/?action=view¤t=wheelerdance.flv)
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 02, 2007, 12:51:06 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2007, 01:11:58 AMSo I went to the game with my nephew and his friend... what a game to pick. BOOOOOOO!
Were those stupid maracas as annoying in person as they were on TV? It was f'ing nonstop.. :boom
Dancing Wheels (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/1isme/?action=view¤t=wheelerdance.flv)
One kind of funny thing happened:
I was talking to my wife (who was home with both children) to see how the kids were, when I catch out of the corner of my eye movement. This was during the disastrous bottom of the first. Because it seemed very close to me, I stand up and look behind me quickly, to see this young, but rather homely young woman (probably early to mid 20s) dancing behind me with two of those macarenas.
Being a rather large man (6'4"), even being in the row ahead of her, when I stood up I was a fair amount taller. She was suddenly all apologetic and ran quickly off to another part of the section.
I'm sure she was doing something (I have no idea what) that she would think I would have reason to be mad about, but I thought it was too funny that she scurried off so quickly. I had never said a word to her.
Philadelphia fans - our reputation preceeds us! >:D
Watching the game on television, I have to say that the stadium looks even more empty in person.
There were ENTIRE sections devoid of any fans that are supposed to be on sale (they may not be sold unless they're needed, but they're listed), and the upper deck sections that had people (right beind home plate) were less than half full.
Here was what the Marlins were doing on a SATURDAY night to try to bring people in:
1. First 5,000 cars got a Marlins flashlight.
2. Everyone got the macarena.
3. Some Spanish-language concert after the game.
4. Fireworks
I don't know the exact attendance, but it looked like about 20,000 people. (EDIT: I just looked it up, and it was about 24,500.)
It's 5-0, beat up on Scott Olsen. Adam Eaton is pitching well and just hit a homer. What the hell is wrong with him, he's supposed to suck.
Quote from: MDS on September 02, 2007, 02:14:15 PM
It's 5-0, beat up on Scott Olsen. Adam Eaton is pitching well and just hit a homer. What the hell is wrong with him, he's supposed to suck.
Way to screw it up, moron.
Hey look...the real Eaton is back! :boom
:-D Eaton
5-5
DIE
Colt Brennan!
5-0 leads are awesome
farging pathetic team...keep chucking them fastballs
Mets series = blown wad
2 out of 3 to the f'ing Marlins
shtein! haven't even had my first cup of coffe this morning.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 02, 2007, 03:25:19 PM
shtein! haven't even had my first cup of coffe this morning.
add the hard stuff
what do they expect when they put in Kane farging Davis into a tied game? this is a guy who was "surprised to get the call" when the Phillies called him.
wow, it's ironic that Carlos Ruiz would get salty about getting run into there...
farg this shtein. i've two fantasy drafts to prepare for and surf is up.
wait a second, rowand's on, werth up....................and werth's out. strike all the way dude.
that was a strike normally, but Sarge is right, dude hasn't called that all day
Chase me home Utley
the umpire lost his farging mind in the 9th inning
LOSERS.
That one call was freaking blown - should have been a tie game. That would have been a borderline strike - in little league.
That said, the Phils plain blew the game. There were opportunities.
Back to four games behind the Mets. Now watch them get swept by the Braves.
that was embarrassing. losing 2 of 3 to these clowns. Better pray the Braves have packed it in - kind of like the Marlins packed it in.
They lost all 3 series at Dolphins Stadium this year. Blow that f'ing place up....
Can't wait to hear the excuses and half-baked pleasantries like "there's still an entire month of baseball to play" and "we're not done yet" and "the Marlins get paid to play the game and have a lot of pride".
Choking corksucking losers piss series away to teams who lost 14 of 16 prior to facing your retarded asses.
Oh, and SUPER job today from Eaton. You're handed a 5-0 lead and piss it away again, huh farghead? Kill yourself.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 02, 2007, 04:33:10 PM
They lost all 3 series at Dolphins Stadium this year. Blow that f'ing place up....
I wish they would. Ugliest piece of trash stadium I've ever seen.
Worst. Pitching. Ever.
Go Rockies
Go Dodgers
:-\
Burrell this series: 0-11, 2 BB, 2 RBI
farging shteinbag losers.
Phillies have a lead to blow again.
...which they do. And the Mets won again.
3 games lost in the standings since Friday :boom
Ed why are you mad? A fluke sweep of the Mets and you start dreamin again. Damn boy, you never learn. It was great to do that to the Mets, but you knew this was lurking around the corner. Think about, think think about it.
glad i slept in and didn't get up at 7 AM HST to watch this crap.
Looks like they're going to stay 3 games behind Arizona but now they're tied with Los Angeles
I have a hard time watching the game anyway with the homertastic Braves announcers.
Most irritating announcers in MLB. Even counting Chris Wheeler.
corksucking losers.
Can't wait until Sunday. Then at least a new team will kill me slowly.
Amaro will interview for the Astros GM job on Thursday
Too good to be true.
Madson was transferred to the 60-day DL, so he's done for the year
The Phils got a 4th-string catcher though! Pete LaForest, who was DFAed by San Diego 4 days ago...
Madson being done for the year is the worst news this team could expect - he was the only reliable setup guy - only way we're making the playoffs is if Ari, SD, or the Mets crumble big time.
Look at this pitching staff:
JD Durbin- cut by 20 different teams this year alone
Jamie Moyer- 75 years old
Adam Eaton- worst pitcher in baseball
Kyle Lohse- Native American
Kyle Kendrick- was in Reading a few months ago
Jose Mesa- a decaying fossil; sucks
Antonio Alfonseca- was never good in the first place; has six fingers
Geoff Geary- his nickname is "gas can"
Kane Davis- who the farg is that
Francisco Rosario- was healthy, but not good enough to displace Mesa on the roster until they expanded
Fabio Castro- walks every other hitter he faces
Tom Gordon- human equivalent to Barbaro
JC Romero- found him in the dumpster, magically has become reliable
Brett Myers- wife beater, icehole, pretty good
Cole Hamels- really good but is never consistently healthy
Remember that Julio Mateo guy the Phillies got at the deadline? He is another wife beater, but he had some good numbers, and surely cannot be worse than the shtein the have right now. Where is he?
Black Dunn puts the Phils up 2-0
He's got a good chance of breaking 40 homers this year....would his season be considered a success or a failure for all the K's?
35-45/yr is probably what he'll average for his career, and considering he missed 2-3 weeks, it's been a good year overall.
Ruiz puts 'em up 3-0 with his own HR then picks a runner off 2nd in the following inning
3-0 after 3
Chipper goes yard.
Chipper is a fag.
Homo Larry. farg chipper.
They won!! All is well!!! Go team!!
Mets win
Dodgers about to win
D'Backs about to win
Can't gain any ground except San Diego
Props for mind-numbing scoreboard watching when you're following 35 different teams :yay
Quote from: MDS on September 04, 2007, 05:59:16 PM
Look at this pitching staff:
JD Durbin- cut by 20 different teams this year alone
Jamie Moyer- 75 years old
Adam Eaton- worst pitcher in baseball
Kyle Lohse- Native American
Kyle Kendrick- was in Reading a few months ago
Jose Mesa- a decaying fossil; sucks
Antonio Alfonseca- was never good in the first place; has six fingers
Geoff Geary- his nickname is "gas can"
Kane Davis- who the farg is that
Francisco Rosario- was healthy, but not good enough to displace Mesa on the roster until they expanded
Fabio Castro- walks every other hitter he faces
Tom Gordon- human equivalent to Barbaro
JC Romero- found him in the dumpster, magically has become reliable
Brett Myers- wife beater, icehole, pretty good
Cole Hamels- really good but is never consistently healthy
this still has me cracking up five hours after i first read it! :-D
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070904&content_id=2189212&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
oh farg.
now i can focus on the birds, surfing and fantasy football, oh and of course my family.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 05, 2007, 02:26:09 AM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070904&content_id=2189212&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
oh farg.
now i can focus on the birds, surfing and fantasy football, oh and of course my family.
No doubt in my mind, Hamels is looking at Tommy John in 2 years. 3 max.
hamels is slowly turning into a king sized bitch
Hamels isn't alone. How many trips to the DL are those flags going to make this year?
It used to be that when someone broke a bone or got paralyzed they put some duct tape on it and went back out on the field. Now these queers are asking for casts & chiropractors.
Weak and sad.
Quote from: MDS on September 04, 2007, 08:52:54 PM
Chipper is a fag.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3005100
yes, he sure is.
hes just saying what rollins wanted to say the other day but only went half way....the ump were a disgrace in the phils-marlins game and last night in the braves phils game
perhaps if the phils had the fire that chipper has they would actually make the playoffs instead of gagging every fall
Shut up, seriously.
Chipper is a fag to the highest degree. Figures the guy who roots for Cooleys would make a comment like that.
QuoteWhile hoping not to end the season on the disabled list, Cole Hamels acknowledged Tuesday that his return will depend on his team's place in the standings as well as his ailing left elbow.
If the Phillies have fallen too far out of playoff contention, "I don't think it would serve a purpose (to return)," Hamels said. "It would be too much of a risk, unless we're going for something. The goal is to finish the season healthy, whether it's two or three starts, but that all depends on our chances for the playoffs."
Um...welcome to Philly, Mr Hamels...you're about to get your first dose of brother love with a stupid quote like that.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 05, 2007, 09:30:29 AM
Shut up, seriously.
Chipper is a fag to the highest degree. Figures the guy who roots for Cooleys would make a comment like that.
i get it....everyone who isnt on a philadelphia team is a fag
Maybe if Chipper (along with the other chokers in Atlanta) had some fire the Braves wouldn't have gone 1-11 in playoff years during his time there?
BTW: He's 10 for 55 with 3 HR's & 8 RBI's during Atlanta's last three (losing) playoff series. Plus he's from Florida. AIDS.
hes a borderline hall of famer
you people are amazing sometimes
We're amazing ALL THE TIME.
Get it straight, motherfarger.
Also - borderline hall of famer? Hahaha!
He has less than 2,100 career hits and 400 home runs. The only way he's getting to the Hall of Fame with those paltry numbers is if Smoltz, Glavine or Maddux invite him to one of their induction ceremonies.
i dont know maybe its me but the second i saw him go off after the game i immediately thought of the phillies and how they did next to nothing after that rollins at bat in florida...which considering that particular situation was one of the worst ball strike calls ive ever seen...it would have tied a game in the middle of a playoff race...
where as last night the braves were down 5-2 and pretty much out of it...yet chipper and bobby cox go off...and jimmy rollins does little more than a one liner in the paper...and where the hell was charlie after the jimmy at bat...you gotta come out there and go nuts on the guy (as should have jimmy)...instead its the same ole well get them tomorrow theres plenty of time left in the season blah blah blah
#1 last time i checked his career wasnt over
#2 you have no idea what youre talking about if you dont think hes a BORDERLINE hall of famer at his position
I can't stand Larry but to say he's nowhere near a "borderline hall of famer" is crazy.
5-time All-Star
NL MVP
14 playoff appearances and a World Series win
Needs 20 more HRs to reach 400
Over .300 hitter lifetime from each side of the plate
I'm not saying he's a lock, but he'll get some consideration...
thank you easy...and for the record i dont like him either...but just because you dont like someone doesnt mean you should say hes not as good a player as he is or call him a fag
He's Dale Murphy. He's a good player who had a nice run for 8-10 years and that's it.
He's no Hall of Famer, borderline or otherwise.
So Dale Murphy doesn't get HOF consideration either? They aren't even the same type of player anyway. Murphy was a power-hitting OF with decent speed and compares to Shawn Green from a few years back. Chipper is a 5-tool player and has never struck out more than 100 times in any season. Dale also got a lot of attention because he was the only good player on brutal teams. Except for a 3-year run in the early 80s, those Braves teams of 1976-1990 were worse than the Phillies...
There's lot of players who get "consideration" who don't belong in the Hall of Fame, Ed.
Larry would be one of them. His numbers, especially in this era, certainly don't warrant a Hall of Fame induction, bro.
Oh, and one other thing for Mr. Grandiose over there. . . where did I ever suggest that Jones wasn't a good major league player? I never said he sucked or even close to it. He is a fag, though. ;D
PS: Dale Murphy's career numbers are almost identical to Larry's. Seven-time all-star, two time MVP, 8-10 years of greatness, close to 400 home runs (in an era when home runs were real, not garbage like they are today). If he doesn't belong (which he doesn't) then neither does Larry.
Is this seriously an argument about whether or not Chipper Jones will get any consideration whatsoever for the Hall of Fame? What the farg is wrong with you people?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 05, 2007, 10:48:01 AMclose to 400 home runs (in an era when home runs were real, not garbage like they are today)
In a stadium nicknamed "the launching pad" :P
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 05, 2007, 10:48:51 AM
Is this seriously an argument about whether or not Chipper Jones will get any consideration whatsoever for the Hall of Fame? What the farg is wrong with you people?
its called sports...look it up
and someone tell romey that chipper jones is still playing before he says he isnt making the hall of fame
and the fact that we are discussing his candidacy and so have a lot of other people makes him a borderline guy
remember too the guy is a 3b...theres only like 10 of them in....hes one of the best third basemen ever...that by default makes him at minimum a borderline HOF guy
On baseball reference.com, they compare stats to other players, here's how chipper jones (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesch06.shtml) stacks up
QuoteSimilar Batters through Age 34
Compare Stats
Gary Sheffield (928)
Duke Snider (904) *
Dick Allen (877)
Billy Williams (870) *
Jeff Bagwell (870)
Frank Thomas (858)
Bernie Williams (857)
Mike Schmidt (852) *
Rafael Palmeiro (851)
Reggie Jackson (845) *
do they do a 3rd basemen comparison?
Larry has a vagina. I don't care about his numbers. He's a fag.
it's interesting that fag isn't filtered anymore...fag
It will be now.
:-D
And will someone please tell IGY that his effusive praise for players who don't play for Philly teams is a given. There's no need for him to lobby for Romes such as Larry Jones anymore. Please?
Quote from: MDS on September 05, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
Larry has a vagina. I don't care about his numbers. He's a fag.
Romes have penis'.....fag
Fag fag fag aaron rowand 1-0 fag fag fag
3-0 Paper Champs
holy shtein the phillies are playing,
mets are down 5-0
lolol
has there ever been a more gutless moronic team than the phillies of the last five years
Huh? They're winning 5-0 dookie. ???
i mean it would still be true regardless
but you must have missed that amazing baserunning blunder
more and more everyday i get the feeling that igy isnt really a person
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2007, 01:56:01 PM
i mean it would still be true regardless
but you must have missed that amazing baserunning blunder
I'm at the office, so yeah, I did. Rowand got gunned out trying to stretch a double?
Nevermind. I just looked up the Gameday script. So Rowand was trying to stretch a double but Smith held up Howard at third instead of sending him - then Howard broke for home and got thrown out.
You're right - stupid.
Predictable, though.
:-D
CHIPPER WON'T EVEN BE CONSIDERED AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL AGREE!
Seriously, you're all Romes.
coming from a person who just made a practice squad thread
Mets lose.
5-2 now. I hate seeing "5-0" on the screen. Phils kiss of death.
farg me, speaking of Romes Kane Davis on his way to the mound. If it wasn't 9:19 AM I'd break out the Jack Daniels.
nice job rowand!
burrell is such a POS...cant get his ass to ball that i would have caught and then pumps his fist in the air like they won the world series when rowand bails him out
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2007, 03:24:30 PM
burrell is such a POS...cant get his ass to ball that i would have caught and then pumps his fist in the air like they won the world series when rowand bails him out
he totally dogged his ass towards the ball. he made no effort to get it and was as surprised as anyone when rowand came out of nowhere. "speed kills" - yeah it's killin' those of us watching.
a lot of it is speed...but like you said he also wasnt hustling at all
nice hit...............who ever the farg you are?
Quote from: Don Ho on September 05, 2007, 03:37:35 PM
nice hit...............who ever the farg you are?
That was the new excellent addition. He's a catcher and his name is Pete Laforest. He eats babies.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 05, 2007, 03:37:35 PM
nice hit...............who ever the farg you are?
Russell Branyan Lite
Bums puttin this one away 8-2
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 05, 2007, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on September 05, 2007, 03:37:35 PM
nice hit...............who ever the farg you are?
Russell Branyan Lite
Bums puttin this one away 8-2
Gas Can as in, we're gonna have a ballgame.
MOY using his setup man in a 6 run ballgame in a playoff push
He's trying to see if Gordon can go 3 days in a row, and it turns out going 3 days in a row results in stupid little bloops finding spaces.
these have got to be the cheapest ass hits i have ever seen. bloop, bloop, bloop.
Gordon is as much of a setup man as I am.
I wouldnt put him in anything other than a game with a 5 run lead.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2007, 03:13:57 PM
coming from a person who just made a practice squad thread
A practice squad thread on an Eagles message board is more appropriate than bickering about Chipper Jones in the Phillies thread.
Go wax your dome, dickwad.
Quote from: SunMo on September 05, 2007, 04:08:06 PM
MOY using his setup man in a 6 run ballgame in a playoff push
my 85 year old father just called me asking the same thing.
and i felt so good up 8-2. :-D :-D
Quote from: SunMo on September 05, 2007, 04:08:06 PM
MOY using his setup man in a 6 run ballgame in a playoff push
I think it's pretty much a given that Charlie Manuel is the second coming of Christ.
By the way, his middle name is Fuqua.
this team good! :crazy :crazy
wow...this moron is managing the game away
the glare of september baseball is exposing dummy for what he is
Will anyone be surprised if Brett Myers' farging arm explodes here?
major meltdown in progress :boom
holy farg.
this bullpen would kick ass in any playoff situation. :boom
a loss here would be absolutely farging priceless
haha this is really gettin good
this goddamn farging manager should be fired if they lose this game, farging fired
I love this team
what makes this even more special is listening to the braves announcers scratch their heads.
hall of famer up!
just drill his ass already meyers!
Wow. If they blow this, this team isn't mentioned again until spring training.
lucky Romes
Future HOFer pops up to finally end the inning
dammit
what an unbeliavbly gutty performance by myers tho...two curveballs on 3-2 basesloaded counts
Quote from: PPinDC on September 05, 2007, 04:30:59 PM
Wow. If they blow this team isn't mentioned again until spring training.
agreed.
atta boy brett! we knew you could do it.
Quote from: PPinDC on September 05, 2007, 04:30:59 PM
Wow. If they blow this team isn't mentioned again until easy posts wild card scores from around the NL tomorrow nite
fixed
Utley needs to charge the mound one of these days - no reason a guy who weighs as little as he does should be getting hit as much as he does
the phillies in general are bitchmade, pitchers included. they never hit the other team and that's why utely and others continue to get drilled.
their pitchers are so good though, they cant afford to be suspended.
Aren't they just running low on guys they can throw out there at this point? What do they have up in Ottawa? Anyone that could eat some innings with around a circa 7.50 ERA?
Walk off homer kids, they deserve it.
i have run out of things to say.
i'm done with this thread and the phillies if they lose this game
your mom's box
They farging suck!! :-D
ahahaha yes!
looooooosers
:-D too good, too perfect, too phillies
roberson, ah farg all this shtein.
Seriously thats what you get for playing Chris Roberson in a pennant chase game. This team...oh god the fun I have with them.
8-2 in the bottom of the 8th
1 strike away with 2 outs in the 9th
and they still lose
I want to murder
Easy, geez....this is the Phillies. shtein like this happens. Football season begins tomorrow, simmer down now son.
only thing that has cheered me up is my dad just called and said "f you , you sob's".
that was AWESOME
Speechless
So let's start planning out for next year. Madson and Matheison and Hamels will be back healthy, hip hip hooray!!
(http://www.nandotimes.com/nt/images/century/photos/century0258.jpeg)
good night.
This loss today made me happier than when Utley won it for the Phils last week against the Mets.
The Phillies simply don't deserve to make the playoffs and they aren't going to because they are a bunch of losers.
Done. No more Phillies for me this season. farging shteinbags.
Quote from: King Cole on September 05, 2007, 05:11:58 PM
This loss today made me happier than when Utley won it for the Phils last week against the Mets.
The Phillies simply don't deserve to make the playoffs and they aren't going to because they are a bunch of losers.
exactly how i felt today. i was actually cracking up as the bottom of the eighth and ninth innings began to unravel.
as exciting and as potent this offense is could you imagine this bullpen in the playoffs when the pressure is really on? i get pains in my stomach and head just thinking about it.
(http://images.bleedinggreennation.com/images/admin/PhilsDone.jpg)
Quote from: Don Ho on September 05, 2007, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 05, 2007, 05:11:58 PM
This loss today made me happier than when Utley won it for the Phils last week against the Mets.
The Phillies simply don't deserve to make the playoffs and they aren't going to because they are a bunch of losers.
exactly how i felt today. i was actually cracking up as the bottom of the eighth and ninth innings began to unravel.
as exciting and as potent this offense is could you imagine this bullpen in the playoffs when the pressure is really on? i get pains in my stomach and head just thinking about it.
Right. I love the Phillies and all, but I'm sorry. If it is there for the taking and you don't step up and take it then you don't deserve it. The Phillies didn't go out and get it and I'm happy they didn't. This isn't little league. You gotta play 9 innings of baseball. The Phillies only played 7, and got what was coming to them.
(http://medjeti.com/img/wahmbulance.jpg)
jesus when will you people learn
and little guy i disagree about ignoring this team since football starts sunday...the eagles will not provide one quarter this year as entertaining as the 8th and 9th innings today
I was pretty entertained reading this thread, knowing already that the Phils imploded... again. Easy to stay calm and rational when I didn't have to endure the pain of watching the game.
And, for what it's worth, I agree with the igster - Chipper Jones will get serious consideration for the Hall of Fame. Don't know if he'll make it, but he'll break at least 40-50% of the vote.
They lost that game?
They lost the farging game?
Seriously?
Jesus christ of latter day saints I hate this team.
QuoteWhere to begin in this apple-cart-tipping defeat that may resonate well into October, should the Phillies miss the postseason they've been fighting so hard to reach. They led, 8-2, heading into the eighth inning after first mounting a 5-0 lead off Tim Hudson. They allowed seven unanswered runs over the next two innings.
for those who missed the game - lucky shteins.
I got to take my shots at these farging losers in the Metro, so that was fun. I'll link it when it comes out on the interwebs, I right good.
Can't wait to read that. I'm sure you've made your boy Marcus Hayes proud. Maybe he'll let you spoon with him now.
roberson should have caught the ball and he also has to be sent down yesterday....but i still cant get over how shallow charlie had him playing
Cholly thinks a "no doubles defense" has something to do with tennis.
This team is cooked for a lot of reasons not the least of which is that bumbling hick farghead. Yet there's some people out there (media queers) pushing him for manager of the year. Preposterous as it sounds the Phillies might give him an extension.
Oh, and why was Kendrick taken out AGAIN after only 88 pitches? Oh, that's right - because he gave up a couple of runs.
So Kendrick gets yanked yet Tom Gordon gets yet another shot to blow a game? Brilliance, man. BRILLIANCE.
:puke
who saw the sportscenter stat this morning that major league teams this year leading by 6+ runs in the 8th or 9th innings were 517-0 before yesterday
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 06, 2007, 09:00:21 AM
who saw the sportscenter stat this morning that major league teams this year leading by 6+ runs in the 8th or 9th innings were 517-0 before yesterday
Missed it but I didn't miss Mitch Williams bashing Roberson (whom he referred to as right fielder)
roberson just isnt a major league player...its that simple...i cant really blame charlie for putting him in...that is one situation where injuires (bourn/victorino) cost them...of course if it wasnt for charlie they wouldnt have ever been in that situation to begin with
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 06, 2007, 09:00:21 AM
who saw the sportscenter stat this morning that major league teams this year leading by 6+ runs in the 8th or 9th innings were 517-0 before yesterday
If they made it 5+ instead, the Phils' comeback in Milwaukee would have been included but it wouldn't have looked as bad as 517-0. Brutal. F'ing losers.
Here's the latest brilliant move:
Eaton is being skipped from Saturday to Tuesday so he can face the Mets next weekend (against whom he's undefeated).
This pushed Moyer and Lohse up to face the Marlins.
This now means that the 2nd-best starter as of now (Lohse) will face the worst team in the NL instead of pitching in a 4-game series against the team directly behind them in the wildcard race. BRILLIANT!
Oh yeah....they're apparently interested in Bob Wickman when he clears waivers since we don't have enough fat ass washed-up relievers. Too bad Ray King was traded to Milwaukee earlier this week or they could have gotten him too! :boom
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 06, 2007, 12:47:52 PM
FAT F'ING BULLPEN OH YEAH.....
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ha...busted before I could edit that.
Might as well sign him too. He's round and wearing red...
We were watching the Phillies the other night and Mesa came out to pitch. My buddy (an Orioles fan, no less) bust out laughing and started ridiculing me over being a Phillies fan.
The sad thing is I had no response. I just sat there and took it because he was right. If your team's idea of competing is signing guys like Mesa & Sixtoe, you have no right to open your mouth. None whatsoever.
chaos at the mets phils game last week
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2mxUFZZXQ0
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 06, 2007, 01:06:34 PM
chaos at the mets phils game last week
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2mxUFZZXQ0
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 31, 2007, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on August 31, 2007, 02:36:12 AM
there is actually another clip on there that was shot from the aisle the fight started on. much better. some good punches thrown.
you mean this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3KgJndRhEI)
Sadly Wickman's better than 3/4 of the pen - he's always done well with a change of scenery and the BP can't suck any worse
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 06, 2007, 01:03:21 PM
We were watching the Phillies the other night and Mesa came out to pitch. My buddy (an Orioles fan, no less) bust out laughing and started ridiculing me over being a Phillies fan.
The sad thing is I had no response. I just sat there and took it because he was right. If your team's idea of competing is signing guys like Mesa & Sixtoe, you have no right to open your mouth. None whatsoever.
You made that up.
I only wish I was that clever.
BTW: He's also a Notre Dame fan and he was talking shtein like that the other night after they got waxed on Saturday.
nm
Stark:
QuoteIf the Red Sox don't bring back Mike Lowell, the Dodgers, Angels, Padres, Astros and Yankees (if they lose A-Rod) would all be major bidders. But Lowell has sent signals to his friends on the Phillies that, in the words of one of them: "He would love to play in Philadelphia." And why not? Lowell is a .353 lifetime hitter in 70 career plate appearances in Citizens Bank Park, with seven homers, six doubles and a .750 slugging percentage. The Phillies could have about $27 million coming off the books this winter, depending on whether Aaron Rowand departs. And a year from now, Pat Burrell's $14 million will also disappear. So the Phillies should have money to spend to address their third-base and bullpen issues.
they could buy him a walker with the money they save too
yeah that would turn into a disaster....plus we have wes helms
Lowell is only 33. Thats not so bad.
Unless there's a young prospect 3B, 2 years of Lowell is better than what has played 3B for the phils since Rolen left.
Lowell turns 34 in February and they'll have Costanzo at Lehigh Valley next year. I wouldn't go more than 2/$20M on a deal...
He'd laugh out loud at two years & twenty million especially if the Yankees get involved.
seriously
adam eaton 3 years 24 mil
lololol
I am curious what other third basemen of his caliber are making these days.
Wright = $1M this year, $5M in 2008, $7.5M in 2009, then between $10M-$15M for the next 4 years after that
Chipper Jones = $12.3M this year, somewhere around $13M-$15M next year
Rolen = $14.5M this year, decreasing slightly over the next 3 years
Beltre = $11M-$12M this year, 2008 and 2009
Glaus = $10.5M this year, $12.5M in 2008
Ramirez = $8M this year, then between $14M-$16M for the next 5 years after that
Cabrera = $7.4M this year, last year of arbitration in 2008 (after which he becomes a FA)
Atkins = rookie contract
Zimmerman = rookie contract
id spend the money on pitching and pitching only. who gives a shtein about 1 of position and 3b. they are winning with nonsense greg dobbs and jayson werth. its farging pitching, pitching, pitching. and not zesty adam eaton pitching, good pitching.
Quote from: MDS on September 06, 2007, 05:27:59 PM
id spend the money on pitching and pitching only. who gives a shtein about 1 of position and 3b. they are winning with nonsense greg dobbs and jayson werth. its farging pitching, pitching, pitching. and not zesty adam eaton pitching, good pitching.
That is hard to find on the free agent market.
Now that Zambrano re-signed the f/a pitching market is thin - guys like Lohse are what's gonna be available
And Lohse likely will roll out too...he said the other day, when asked about a long fly in Turner Field, if it was good to not be in CBP at that time. And he said its always good to not be there.
This is how low we've dropped - we're worried about losing KYLE LOHSE.
well i guess if no pitcher will sign here, then we might as well as sign arod and score 3000 runs a game.
This is the Phillies. He'd pull a Danny Tartabull.
Yea I know, but as long as we keep Mesa and Alfonseca I'm fine.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-09072007-1403682.html
sources have told the Courier Times that the Phils intend to stick with Manuel beyond 2007. If that's the case, there could be a potential hang-up: the length of that potential extension.
Rightfully so, Manuel surely will ask for at least two more years, but team insiders suggest Gillick will prefer giving him only one year because his contract runs out after the 2008 season. That way, if Gillick leaves after '08, his replacement could change managers if he so chooses.
Time to re-enact the Ed Wade must go philosophy towards the Phils, no money will get spent towards the phils until Cholly's ass is gone for me.
the most infuriating thing about that article is the fact that a new gm couldnt hire his own manager cause the current phillies manager would have a whole ONE year left on his deal
is that the most pathetic ridiclous wanna punch someone in the face thing youve ever read
Why anyone, ever...expects this organization to change, is really baffling.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 07, 2007, 11:12:16 AM
Why anyone, ever...expects this organization to change, is really baffling.
its sad but true, they just dont care, the only option for change would be the team is sold to Croce and Cuban
Quote from: MDS on September 06, 2007, 05:27:59 PM
id spend the money on pitching and pitching only. who gives a shtein about 1 of position and 3b. they are winning with nonsense greg dobbs and jayson werth. its farging pitching, pitching, pitching. and not zesty adam eaton pitching, good pitching.
Forget it. Free agent pitchers will NOT come to Philly unless they're the Eaton type.
The Phillies made their bed with that ridiculous ballpark and now they're going to have to sleep in it. They need as much offense as is humanly possible and they need to develop pitching in the minor leagues. Period.
I repeat, farging shteinbag losers.
What self-respecting pitcher would ever want to play at the bank? It will KILL their numbers and therefore their ability to secure an absurd contract when they leave.
Curt Schilling RJS, Curt Schilling
Well they've clearly given up, along with everyone else.
Was there baseball played last night?
Quote from: MDS on September 08, 2007, 12:48:12 AM
Well they've clearly given up, along with everyone else.
They had close to 39,000 in attendance last night so the Phillies ownership couldn't care less.
The Marlins are 5-17 in their last 22 games.
They are 3-1 against the Phillies in that stretch.
They are 2-16 against everybody else.
Bums manage to hold onto a 8 run lead and beat the Marlins 9-1.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 08, 2007, 09:38:47 AM
The Marlins are 5-17 in their last 22 games.
They are 3-1 against the Phillies in that stretch.
They are 2-16 against everybody else.
holy shtein! that's just wrong. 5 wins in their last 22 games and three are against the phils. ha!
Phils up 7-0 after 2 innings
Kids HR derby today at CBP...someone hit a HR to LF :-D
Moyer up 8-0 in the 6th
2-run HR
HR
2-run HR
8-5 :-D
f'ing joke
bullpen goes scoreless the rest of the way...Phils win 8-5 and take 2 out of 3.
Best team ever
Padres lose
Dodgers lose
Phils back in 2nd place in the WC, 2 games out :paranoid
Best team in Philadelphia.
i love this team. never had any doubt. ::)
When does Eagles training camp open?
:o
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 09, 2007, 07:14:18 PM
When does Eagles training camp open?
:o
:-D
good question Michael Vick, Spring Training starts too far away to forget today
Myers did postgame interviews wearing a Packers hat
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 09, 2007, 08:26:50 PM
Myers did postgame interviews wearing a Packers hat
Time to kill him too
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 09, 2007, 08:26:50 PM
Myers did postgame interviews wearing a Packers hat
Wtf?
He says he's a Packers fan, roots for the hometown Jaguars, and roots for the Eagles when they aren't playing the Packers or Jaguars. whatever...
(http://media.philly.com/images/20070909_inq_phils09-b.JPG)
what the farg is that?
myers is a POS
No, seriously, what the farg is that picture? I had a nightmare from it last night. :sly
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 10, 2007, 09:08:18 AM
No, seriously, what the farg is that picture? I had a nightmare from it last night. :sly
John Ennis
Thats a real picture of him? It looks like a farging wax statue.
It looks like he's getting punched in the face by the invisible man.
Clearwater is one win away from the Florida State League title. :yay
They'll blow it.
Hamels might be back next week. Wold Seareis!
Myers and Favre play hide the snausage with each other.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 10, 2007, 12:15:46 AM
what the farg is that?
holy shtein! that's just not right. he looks like he's going thru one of those wind tunnel tests.
happy halloween. i'm putting that pic on my front door October 31 to scare the shtein out of little kids.
nice to see the phils doing everything possible to cheer me up. 5-2 Rockies
MOther farg, can someone take both Alfonseca and Mesa to the back and put them down already?
:boom
Patricia just tied the game.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 10, 2007, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 10, 2007, 09:33:40 PM
Patricia just tied the game.
That was one hell of a shot
It's those shots that are so maddening. He's got that in him, but is prone to such prolonged slumps.
When Burrell's on, he's one of the best hitters in the game. When he's not, he's looking up at the likes of Rob Deer.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 10, 2007, 09:36:02 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 10, 2007, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 10, 2007, 09:33:40 PM
Patricia just tied the game.
That was one hell of a shot
It's those shots that are so maddening. He's got that in him, but is prone to such prolonged slumps.
When Burrell's on, he's one of the best hitters in the game. When he's not, he's looking up at the likes of Rob Deer.
I know. ARGH.
greg lewis >>>>>>>flash
Victorino looked a little like J.R. Reed on that liner to right.
... at least he caught it. :-\
get victorino to return punts!
Where in the hell was that curve?
Quote from: Don Ho on September 10, 2007, 09:45:55 PM
get victorino to return punts!
Only if he gets to use his glove.
Extra innings. Craptacular
damn! double play :boom
Ryan Howard!!!!!
RBI double choke dawg! Utley scores
Bums win! Bums win! Bums win!
Howard doubles home Utley for the win.
But, what in the world happend to the Rockies' left fielder? He took darn near forever to get the ball.
Rockies were playing a deep outfield to prevent a double and Howard still managed to hit one in the left field corner to score Utley from 1st.
Blacque Dunn!
Just saw the replay.....the rockies left fielder had it bounce off his glove in the corner and then he just lost the ball.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 10, 2007, 10:34:13 PM
But, what in the world happend to the Rockies' left fielder? He took darn near forever to get the ball.
He pulled a Reed/GLew combo
They just finally showed the other angle. He was doing a pretty good Three Stooges routine.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 10, 2007, 10:36:41 PM
He pulled a Reed/GLew combo
There's Larry and Curley.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 10, 2007, 10:36:41 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 10, 2007, 10:34:13 PM
But, what in the world happend to the Rockies' left fielder? He took darn near forever to get the ball.
He pulled a Reed/GLew combo
Thats so funny, but in a nauseating kind of way.
farging cocktease.
Pat Burrell = 2nd half MVP?
His HR tonight was clutch. As soon as I saw them bring in Julio I knew Pat was going deep. Julio is terrible.
Whats the chances Burrell gets tested for steriods in the next week and fails? Pretty high
whats the chances burrell finishes the season in a 3-30 slump
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2007, 08:14:16 AM
whats the chances burrell finishes the season in a 3-30 slump
a lot better than the roids or HGH.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 11, 2007, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2007, 08:14:16 AM
whats the chances burrell finishes the season in a 3-30 slump
a lot better than the roids or HGH.
True. His strength is all manly yumminess.
theyre actually starting adam eaton tonight. world series!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2007, 08:14:16 AM
whats the chances burrell finishes the season in a 3-30 slump
It is certain.
Since Chase Utley came off of the DL, he only has 3 extra base hits, and only one of them has been in the last two weeks.
a. his hand still hurts
b. hes hitting 2nd and trying to get on base not hit homers
c. he hit .444 in august and is hitting .324 in september
Yeah, I know...I wasnt bashing him. But it's obvious his hand is still bothering him.
Let's be real though, his "August" numbers were comprised of 4 games.
Yay Eaton.
:boom
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 11, 2007, 09:09:46 PM
Yay Eaton.
:boom
The 4 runs he gave up are hardly the problem when the team is laying a goose egg
The dude can't go a single game without giving up at least 4 runs though.
He NEVER gives the team a chance.
iceholes. Way to choke it up again. :boo
Eaton sucks, but the homers he gave up were CBP dinkers. This ballpark is a joke.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 11, 2007, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 11, 2007, 09:09:46 PM
Yay Eaton.
:boom
The 4 runs he gave up are hardly the problem when the team is laying a goose egg
yep dont look now but the all or nothing offense is going into another late season swoon..and the closer it gets to oct the worse they will be
2 runs in 11 innings vs rockie starters this series in the bandbox...and the two guys colorado has thrown out there have hardly been top of the rotation pitchers
they have the most runs in the nl, genius. yea the offense was bad last night, but for the 1000000th time, this teams incompetence begins with: ownership, management, manuel, the pitching staff, the ballpark.
the have the most runs cause they play in a little league park...lets see how the hitting is over the next few weeks...i think youll come to see that they start laying eggs against inferior pitchers just like they do every year
shawn hill for the nationals is gonna shut them down twice on his own
The Phillies have 790 runs this year, 3rd in baseball. 383 of those runs have come on the road, good for 48% of their total runs, and 4th in baseball. Stop with the offense nonsense, complain about the pitching like you should be.
im not complaining about it...just telling you whats gonna happen
watch and learn little guy
even if the offense turns out to be a britt reid, theyll still give up 10 runs a game, so whats the difference?
Quote from: MDS on September 12, 2007, 12:38:22 PM
even if the offense turns out to be a britt reid, theyll still give up 10 runs a game, so whats the difference?
New filter or something?
bottom of the first, bases loaded no outs.
top of the second, Rockies 0 Phillies 0.
Good night.
Holliday owns the Phils.
Wtf happened to Kendrick?
And did thePhils throw a triple play and are still getting crushed?
Ennis blows. Why the farg is he pitching again?
Where is Kendrick?
Great job tonight!!
Someone should plaster Gillicks farging face to the window of his private box, tape his eyes open and force him to watch this collection of stiffs he's assembled as a "pitching" staff.
farging ridiculous.
doesnt matter the offense has gone september brain dead anyway
kendrick got hit by a ball and left the game
they havent been able to score against the rockies 3-4-5 pitchers....at home
Kendrick took a line drive off the right knee and the ball flew up into the air. Contusion, x-rays negative, day-to-day
but it's 9-0. :boom
Yeah, I see the score, but wtf.....they can't catch a mother farging break. Kendrick's been lights out. :boom
I'm not even watching tonight. I'm just not in the mood for more disappointment.
its worth watching just to hear how dejected wheels is...in fact making that ahole feel like poop is the best thing the team has done all year
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2007, 08:37:29 PM
doesnt matter the offense has gone september brain dead anyway
kendrick got hit by a ball and left the game
they havent been able to score against the rockies 3-4-5 pitchers....at home
the score is 9 farging nothing. Why are you saying this is the OFFENSE'S fault? :boom
never said it was their fault...i said the pitching doesnt matter in september because the offense always dies
even if they were getting solid pitching they wouldnt win this series because the offense is runnin on empty
DIdn't they score like 9 runs the first game in this series?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 12, 2007, 08:50:12 PM
never said it was their fault...i said the pitching doesnt matter in september because the offense always dies
even if they were getting solid pitching they wouldnt win this series because the offense is runnin on empty
^^^^exactly
QuoteSomeone should plaster Gillicks farging face to the window of his private box, tape his eyes open and force him to watch this collection of stiffs he's assembled as a "pitching" staff.
I mean, thats just good stuff
The headline on Phillies.com is "Kendrick Departs, Phils Looking For Comeback."
It's 12-0.
:-D
Maybe me moving is a good thing...I won't be a glutton for punishment and watch this slop every night then.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2007, 10:15:31 PM
Maybe me moving is a good thing...I won't be a glutton for punishment and watch this slop every night then.
Ha.
(http://twalbany.twalb.com/images/ppv/mlb_extrainnings.jpg)
Largest road shutout in Rockies history. :yay
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 12, 2007, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2007, 10:15:31 PM
Maybe me moving is a good thing...I won't be a glutton for punishment and watch this slop every night then.
Ha.
(http://twalbany.twalb.com/images/ppv/mlb_extrainnings.jpg)
i'm all the way across the pacific and i can't escape it. no matter where you go, where you hide, how far you run, they will find you. the phillies know where you are, every minute of the day.
thank you. please lose 7 in a row so this abortion of a season just ends and we can focus on the abortion across the street in midnight green.
season ended in april son
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 06:44:32 AM
season ended in april son
ha, no doubt - the rest was just seeing how'd they blow it
the minute they got off to the slow start (again) you knew it was the same dog team....oh and also because they brought back the same dog manager and dog players
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 13, 2007, 08:48:15 AM
the minute they got off to the slow start (again) you knew it was the same dog team....oh and also because they brought back the same dog manager and dog players
Yeah, we already knew how they blew it. On April 18, they were 3-10. Even at 6-7. they're in the wild card lead.
They put themselve behind the 8-ball. Again. But April games don't count.
Standard Phils season:
- Horrible offseason signings
- Bad pitching
- Awful Bullpen
- Slow start
- Play well enough through the year to keep the fans interested
- Falter down the stretch
- Finish with 86 wins
- Players vow to make the playoffs next season
Rinse repeat
Next season will be no different unless they get a GM with some imagination, cause there's no starting pitching to be had in free agency.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 13, 2007, 08:58:43 AM
They put themselve behind the 8-ball. Again. But April games don't count.
I remember like it was yesterday them blowing it in April and saying "we're only a month into the season". The frustrating thing was they hadn't learned from years past that the extremely slow start was ultimately their downfall.
its not the gm, manager, players, little league ballpark. its ownership. they want to make a profit, first and foremost. winning a title is secondary to them. they werent making much money at the vet, and made the excuse that they cant compete financially in that ballpark. so the city built them a new one. with that ballpark, they are making a lot of money. to make sure people go, they signed jim thome and eventually established a core of utley, rollins, howard, hamels and myers that will at the least keep them in wild card contention until september. and thats good enough to get a bunch of people to go to the games during the year, thus making money.
theyll make some moves here and there to excite everyone over the winter (rowand, garcia, millwood...), but its just sugarcoating things to keep interest levels high and to sell tickets. they wont go the extra mile to win a title and are content with 86 win teams that might fall ass backwards into a playoff spot one of these years.
until monty and co. sell the team, they will never win anything. just look at this pitching staff, they have no prayer in the world and they know it. if ownership cared, they wouldve added salary at the deadline and gone balls to wall to win the title. but whatever, getting babaro and wife beater back was "our trade." we wouldve made the playoffs the last 2 seasons if we were in the nba or nhl. injuries are hurting us. bla bla bla. same old bullshtein every year. the organization was a joke in 1883 and it still is in 2007. there is no hope. give up. its not happening.
4-3 Phillies after 1 inning
Durbin pulled after 1+ (1st and 2nd, no outs) for Geary. Durbin should go away.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 13, 2007, 07:58:52 PM
4-3 Phillies after 1 inning
Durbin pulled after 1+ (1st and 2nd, no outs) for Geary. Durbin should go away.
I have a feeling you'll soon get your wish.
tits and ass for no one
11-4 after 5
Up 11-4 in the 7th, Alfonseca tries to drill Todd Helton in the face with a fastball and gets ejected :-D
Phillies scored 6 runs in the opener. Win.
Phillies scored 2 & 0 in the next two games. Losses.
Phillies score 11 so far tonight - winning.
The pitching staff has surrendered a mind-boggling 29 runs in three-plus games, yet amazingly, they still have a chance to split the series.
Imagine for a moment that this horseshtein team had even a scintilla of pitching.
But its the offense.
Not the pitching.
::)
runs in september
2006- 158 (3rd)
2005- 169 (1st)
2004- 158 (5th)
2003- 147 (1st)
yea, the offense shuts it down late.
Are those rankings based on divisional stats?
Regardless, its the inconsistency that haunts them. Scoring 12 runs one night then 0 the next doesn't get it done in September.
No, just the straight number of the runs they scored in the month over the past few years.
lol...they score their expected 12 run outburst and then yous say the offense doesnt gag...just wait watch and learn...youd think some of you have never seen this team play before...or you have very short homertastic memories
They were down 6-0 before they knew what hit them in that 12-0 game. Pitching (again) didn't give them even a CHANCE to win.
They scored 9 runs on night one, and 12 2 days later. But they have no offense.
There really is something wrong with you.
show me one place i ever said they had no offense....cant do it
they will ultimately not make the playoffs becaue of bad pitching worse managing and dumber than rock players...but (and maybe it will be different this year) you watch down the stretch here how many games the offense comes up weak against pitchers like matt chico
Marcus Hayes' recap article (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070914_Bats_awaken__cant_say_same_about_Durbin.html)
QuoteThanks to him, the 42,623 at Citizens Bank Park, drawn as much by $1 hotdogs as the Phillies' wild-card chances, almost left before they were seated. Durbin gave up three runs in the first inning.
"The fas can thin nk me for giving the couiple xtea doifg on dolar dog," said dyrb. "
:-D
What the... :-D :-D
MDS ghostwrote that.
i was leaning towards munson
dwed i' m totaleee drunks in the nets
i think igy is pointing back to the nationals series last year late, where the offense didnt show up in the game that started at 1130.
Alfonseca was suspended 4 games for throwing at Helton's head. Alf appealed it.
wtf?....four games is ridiculous for what he did
Good. That means the temptation to put him in there will automatically be removed for Chollykins.
Its not temptation. I'm quite sure Cholly doesn't like having to send 110 fingers out there, but since management gives him nothing better than that kind of slop, he has no choice. Unless, of course, he wants JC Romero's arm to fall off.
Gas Can is the new Alf.
Conine in the lineup tonight, so is Babe Nunez. Joy.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 14, 2007, 05:33:07 PM
Its not temptation. I'm quite sure Cholly doesn't like having to send 110 fingers out there, but since management gives him nothing better than that kind of slop, he has no choice. Unless, of course, he wants JC Romero's arm to fall off.
I'd rather see you pitch than Alfonseca.
Has it been mentioned today that Paul Lo Duca is a complete assrammer?
1-0 already on Wrights shot.
I think the whole bullpen should be suspended. Every last one of them. It was a bullpen-wide conspiracy to throw at Helton's head...
Keith Hernandez just proclaimed that Wright's double play groundout was a "good at-bat."
Seriously, Moyer's giving the Phils some much needed good innings. Hopefully he can go 6 or 7. For a Phils starter, that's almost like a CG.
Rollins with a helluva over-the-shoulder catch at full sprint of a shallow fly ball.
Moyer still strong through 7 with the help of Rollins and Utley (on a jump-throw to first). Ol' Six Fingers (still in because he appealed the suspension) was warming up.
I'd get Moyer out now. He's pitching well but has a track record of blowing up in the 7th and 8th inning to ruin a good start.
Nunez cost himself a base by watching the flare he hit into rightfield. Ended up with a single.
Moyer staying in to bunt. He'll go in the 8th.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 14, 2007, 08:55:33 PM
Nunez cost himself a base by watching the flare he hit into rightfield. Ended up with a single.
Moyer staying in to bunt. He'll go in the 8th.
Well, he stayed in to bunt, but did not come out to pitch the 8th. Hopefully he didn't hurt himself bunting. Of course, that would mean that Uncle Cholly strikes again.
Flash Gordon is in to put gas on the fire.
flash, swell.
If the Phillies make the playoffs, these two could have a really great series. Bahaha the Phillies making the playoffs.
flash you beautiful sob! good job.
Wagner in for the Mets.
Backwards K for Burrell. Shocking!
hernandez called that a foul tip? idiot.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 14, 2007, 09:28:48 PM
Backwards K for Burrell. Shocking!
Frontwards K for Howard. Even more shocking!
K's all around! Good thing those weren't the best hitters on the team.
oh my! that was frightening.
Burrell got some rough calls, Black Dunn cant hit lhp, zesty ab for rowand
bourn in for burrell? what the hell charles you farging suck dont take one of your best hitter out of the game!
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 14, 2007, 09:32:12 PM
K's all around! Good thing those weren't the best hitters on the team.
True. Utley didn't bat that inning.
Hoyda LoDuca just got himself tossed.
There is nothing to like about Lo Duca. Weak arm, calls a mediocre game, average hitter at best, and about the worst attitude you could ask for out of a player. To top it, he has the temper of a pregnant woman and is a catcher. Just dumb.
Quote from: MDS on September 14, 2007, 09:39:55 PM
There is nothing to like about Lo Duca. Weak arm, calls a mediocre game, average hitter at best, and about the worst attitude you could ask for out of a player. To top it, he has the temper of a pregnant woman and is a catcher. Just dumb.
agreed, the guys a tool.
Quote from: MDS on September 14, 2007, 09:39:55 PM
There is nothing to like about Lo Duca. Weak arm, calls a mediocre game, average hitter at best, and about the worst attitude you could ask for out of a player. To top it, he has the temper of a pregnant woman and is a catcher. Just dumb.
And yet the baseball guys on ESPN slobber his knob like Pamela Anderson.
:paranoid
Dobbs knocks in the go-ahead run with a Sac Fly. Phils up 3-2.
Up to Myers now.
Wow, really solid baseball there. You never see that with these bums.
Milledge-PH-Ray Ass
Get it done wife beater.
That curve to Shawn Green was FILTHY.
YES. Myers dominates the Mets to get the save.
Big win, igy's!!
Solid game. I love seeing the look on sad Mets fans face.
And one of the best parts is that you can say that LoDuca's PMS-ing about the called third strike helped the Phils win. Maybe he catches the Ruiz pop-up that a cold DeFelice fumbled.
I hope all of the dogs in the stadium take dumps in Lo Duca's locker.
The Phillies and Mets played 10 innings and are finished. The Yanks and Sawks started at the same time and are in the bottom of the 6th inning. :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 14, 2007, 10:10:22 PM
The Phillies and Mets played 10 innings and are finished. The Yanks and Sawks started at the same time and are in the bottom of the 6th inning. :-D
Dice K baby!
Quote from: Don Ho on September 14, 2007, 10:15:08 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 14, 2007, 10:10:22 PM
The Phillies and Mets played 10 innings and are finished. The Yanks and Sawks started at the same time and are in the bottom of the 6th inning. :-D
Dice K baby!
They're STILL in the bottom of the 6th. 6-2 Sawx, both Dice-K and Pettitte are out of the game.
Maybe that's why these two team have to pay their players so much... their salary per hour is probably the same as the Twins.
If only I could watch those Yankees & Red Sox on television. That would be super!
1 game back in the wildcard standing for the queers. Could be 1/2 game or a game and a half depending on what the Saint James Fathers do tonight.
Whoopie!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 14, 2007, 10:27:13 PM
If only I could watch those Yankees & Red Sox on television. That would be super!
1 game back in the wildcard standing for the queers. Could be 1/2 game or a game and a half depending on what the Saint James Fathers do tonight.
Whoopie!
ESPN, Romey. You can find it there is all its interminable glory!
Another pitching change for the Yankees. STILL the bottom of the 6th. :-D
I can't believe the Red Sox choked that game away. I went to bed and it was 7-2. I woke up a little while ago, turned on ESPN and sure enough they blew it.
:-D
Quote"It was a lot better than the games we had in Philly," Jimmy Rollins said. "The crowd showed up. Maybe we need a weekend in Philly so the kids don't have to worry about going to school the next day. But atmosphere helps a lot with your focus and being able to get up."
Yeah - that's why you gagged during those middle two games against the mighty Rockies. It had nothing to do with you and your underachieving flag teammates not hitting or pitching worth a damn. It's because those disloyal good-for-nothing fans didn't show up because their useless children had school the next day!
That explains everything that's happened these last six Septembers.
seriously what a douchebag comment...after what those bunch of losers have done for the last five years they are lucky anyone comes to the games
BTW: Weren't there like 43,000 people at the game on Thursday?
farging idiot.
Attendance for the week:
Monday = 25,046
Tuesday = 25,263
Wednesday = 31,541
Thursday = 42,623
Weak comment. Could be he didn't mean it the way it sounded, but it certainly did not sound good.
Here are the figures from the Mets series in August (capacity listed at 43,000 on ballparks.com):
Monday 8/27: 38,165
Tuesday 8/28: 40,508
Wedneday 8/29: 43,150
Thursday 8/30: 42,552
last night's attendance: 53,730 (capacity listed at 55,601)
It's too bad there's no support for this baseball team....
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 15, 2007, 08:57:52 AM
BTW: Weren't there like 43,000 people at the game on Thursday?
farging idiot.
It was dollar dog night. All the fatasses come out for that one.
:-D
Who the farg cares what Jimmy Rollins says.
IGY, they won again....why is his comment the only thing you post about?
I posted it, PG. And the reason I did is because I'm sick of spoiled & clueless professional athletes shooting their mouths off at the expense of the very people who afford them their affluent lifestyles.
Jimmy Rollins and the rest of those choking Hoydas can toss themselves off the George Washington Bridge for all I care.
nm
igy ruins everything
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2007, 08:46:46 AM
seriously what a douchebag comment...after what those bunch of losers have done for the last five years they are lucky anyone comes to the games
I was referring to this post.
And not a single post about the game.
what is there to say about any game at this point that hasnt been said over the last five years...shtein gets old
You have plenty to say when they lose.
Not so much when they win a big game.
That is all.
they dont win big games
I've seen a trashier group of people in my life than Mets fans. Oh wait, I go to Temple. Other than that.
Up 5-3 in the 9th, but Manuel better hope this one doesn't go extras. He's basically used the whole bench and half of the pen.
I got my fix when they showed all the sad Mets fans filing out of the stadium after the 8th. Lets see if Myers can get it done.
Mesa is left. No worries, friends.
ha, Marlon Anderson gets rung up on a bad pitch then gets ejected and throws a temper tantrum. Coudn't happen to a better team.
Game over.
That's 7 in a row vs. the Mets.
Good god they just don't go away, do they?
Nope. And like a dumb farg I'm hopeful they make the playoffs. Just so that pitching can be eaten alive early and often to embarrass us all.
Quote from: MDS on September 15, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
Good god they just don't go away, do they?
They're like herpes.
QuoteSaturday, September 15, 2007
Phillies die-hards know how the story ends
By Howard Bryant
ESPN.com
PHILADELPHIA -- Charlie Manuel is salty. His right fielder grabs his calf running down the first-base line, the same calf that landed him on the disabled list. When the player, Shane Victorino, is surprised he's not in the lineup the next day, he gives his manager a little nudge, as they say, right under the bus.
"I don't know why I'm not playing," he says. "I'm fine."
Another player, mercury-quick reserve outfielder Michael Bourn has been out for weeks, yet upon his return, Manuel did not use him in a key situation, and thus the walls once more are closing in on the Philadelphia Phillies.
"I saw where he said when he turns the bases that his ankle hurts him," Manuel said of Bourn. "If you were the manager, what would you think?"
Questions are no longer innocent in this town, if ever they were -- and Manuel's skeptical eyes narrow to a mean little slit when he catches even a whiff of insinuation that the Phillies are once again too far from shore to swim home.
In between complete sentences, Manuel waves the white flag of language, muttering despairing fragments such as "Write whatever you want" and "I don't care" in between complete sentences. Jim Salisbury, the veteran Phillies writer for The Philadelphia Inquirer, tosses a little levity at the manager.
"Charlie, you seem unusually feisty today."
"That's right. I'm feisty," Manuel said. "I'm trying to win a ballgame."
Don't blame Charlie. You'd be feisty too if it were as hot in your kitchen as it is in his these days, two games out of a playoff spot with 15 games left. Manuel -- a good Southern baseball man who seems to be suffering from the same East Coast condescension that doomed Grady Little in Boston -- is managing without a contract for next season. The cosmetics in these tough towns are as important as words and deeds, and in times of trouble, the common reflex is easy to dismiss Manuel as unsophisticated, as if a rough Philly accent would raise his team's earned-run average.
It is unclear whether he will return to Philadelphia in 2008, and his ballclub is squeezed tight into a pennant race for the sixth time in seven years. The previous five Septembers have not been kind, and on this night, his team -- which leads the league in hitting, runs, hits, total bases, doubles, RBI, walks, slugging and on-base percentage -- had just been pasted 12-0 by the Colorado Rockies, shut out by a kid (Denny Bautista) who entered the game with a 19.06 ERA and a winless pitcher (Mark Redman) with an 11.86 ERA.
They are unquestionably the biggest tease in Philadelphia, if not all of major league baseball. Take a global perspective, and you'll weep: The last major championship in this city was in 1983, when the Philadelphia 76ers won the latter of their two NBA titles. The Eagles have been to two Super Bowls, but haven't won a league championship since 1960. The Phillies have been playing baseball for money since 1883, when they were the Philadelphia Quakers. In 124 years, they have one championship, 1980. The Cubs, Red Sox and White Sox have nothing on this town.
The past few years have been especially tantalizing, each ending in special agony. In 2001, the Phillies were tied with Atlanta for the division lead on Sept. 24, then lost six of nine. They finished two games out. In 2003, they were two games behind the Braves on Sept. 19, only to lose six in a row and seven of eight. In 2004, they muddled along at 65-68 on Sept. 1, then roared to a too-little, too-late 21-8 finish. In 2005, they tasted the wild-card lead on the final weekend and won more games (88) than they had since winning the pennant in 1993, yet Houston took it all away. Last year, they won more games than St. Louis, the team that won the World Series.
None of this, it should be noted, is easy to do. Since the wild card was instituted in 1995, no team has won at least 85 games five years in a row and failed to make the playoffs. The Phillies, in their own special way, are close to making history.
Historically, everybody eventually breaks through. Everybody, that is, but these Phillies. The Giants of the 1960s were tortured by great teams with coal in their stockings. From 1965 to 1969, the Willie Mays Giants finished second five straight years, but three years earlier, they went to the World Series. The Hank Aaron Braves were consistently thwarted at the end by the Dodgers but went to consecutive World Series, winning it all in 1957. Even the Phillies of the 1970s hit the wall with Reds and Dodgers but made the playoffs and finally won the whole thing.
But here's the funny thing: The Phillies haven't reached the mountain, but neither have they -- as most teams do -- regressed and fallen apart after coming close and not making it. The White Sox -- the World Series winners in 2005 and in the hunt every year since 2000 -- are in last place, threatening to lose 90 games.
Jimy Williams, the Phillies' bench coach, offers up his old Toronto Blue Jays as a parallel to these Phillies. "Yep, there is a similarity. We had some good, good teams there," he said. "We had [Jesse] Barfield, and [Lloyd] Moseby and [Dave] Stieb. We had to climb that hill, too."
But those teams did, like all the rest, make the playoffs in 1985, and after the big climb, win consecutive World Series titles in 1992 and '93, beating the Phillies the latter year when Joe Carter ... oh, the die-hards know the rest.
For their suffering, the die-hards walk around as if they've eaten paste for breakfast.
And lunch.
And dinner.
The counterman at Pine Street Pizza on 12th and Pine streets in Center City is watching a replay of the second of Matt Holliday's two home runs Tuesday while sloshing a basket of french fries in a fryolator. "They're the kiss of death," he said of the Phillies. "They get close. They make it interesting. I've been a Phillies fan my whole life. And this is it. Every year. They get close, and then, the kiss of death. All Philadelphia teams, really, are just like this."
Continued.......
QuoteThen there is Carol Wagner, a 52-year-old Haverford College horticulturalist who could only be described as a True Believer since her grandfather, Harry Pritchard, loved the Phillies when they played at Baker Bowl at the turn of the 20th century. Why Old Harry would pass along the Phillies' pedigree to his unsuspecting granddaughter must be described as love. From 1918 to 1948, the Phillies finished higher than fifth -- in an eight-team league -- just once, when they went 78-76, 12 games behind, yes, the Cubs.
"It's a Philly thing, like we know they'll narrowly lose it," Wagner said. "And then we say, 'Oh well, we're in Philly.' But we're very dedicated, very loyal, no matter what they do."
Carol is old-school, both in her enthusiasm for baseball and her lineage. No cable, no MLB.TV, no DirecTV Extra Innings package. If the games aren't on free television, she listens to the Phils on the radio.
She has a Richie Allen button, a Phillie Phanatic doll her grandmother gave her 30 years ago that still sits on her bed. She was there for Steve Carlton's 3,000th strikeout and still has the photo she took of him warming up. She owns T-shirts of Chase Utley and Cole Hamels. She even wears the Philadelphia equivalent of the Scarlet Letter: a Billy Wagner jersey.
"People say to me, 'What are you doing wearing a Wagner jersey,'" she says of one of the least popular recent Phillies. "I tell them, 'That's not a Billy Wagner jersey. That's a Carol Wagner jersey."
Citizens Bank Park, the Phillies' lavish ballpark, is unkind to pitchers -- home run parks are unkind to any team that wants to win a championship -- and quite possibly a central reason why many baseball people believe the Phillies will not win a World Series. Before the shutout, the Phillies were 14th in ERA, runs allowed and earned runs allowed, 15th in bullpen ERA and last in home runs allowed.
The scouts who watch the game more than the standings say confidently that Manuel is doing more than his share. "There's no way this team, with that pitching, should even think about making the playoffs."
After the 12-0 pasting -- which was followed by a 12-4 Phillies win that underscored the all-or-nothing personality of this team -- Manuel was just as salty after the game as before, when he said he knew there were guys on his team who were scared of these high September moments. Phillies fans know the moments well: the crushing home sweep at the hands of eventual pennant-winner Houston in 2005, the series when David Bell's first-inning error led to four runs and doomed them in the opener, or when Wagner couldn't get outs or keep Astros baserunners from stealing at will in a 2-1, ninth-inning loss in the second game, leading up to the heartbreaking finale. In the third game, with Philly leading 6-5 with two out and nobody on in the ninth, Bell committed another error and Wagner gave up a single and a home run to lose 8-6.
Then there was last year, when the Phillies won eight of nine to hold a half-game wild-card lead with a week to go only to lose three of four to lowly Washington.
"There's a difference between being nervous and being scared. Nervous can be butterflies. It can be adrenaline," Manuel said. "Scared is in a different area. It means you're scared to get it done. ... When Houston got here, or when we didn't execute in Washington. We couldn't pick up the ball. We couldn't get the ball to first. That all comes from a scared thing. It's hard to produce. It's hard to execute. It's hard to do the things we need to get done."
Manuel even veered from the traditional optimism-or-die position most managers must take. After Wednesday's 12-0 pasting, he sounded as unsure as the guy at Pine Street Pizza.
"I think you've got to step up. There's no sense in even sugarcoating. It's kind of like a show-me time," he said. "It's kind of like, 'Let's go; if we have it, let's see it.' That's kind of how I look at it. We've got 17 games left, that's what it it's all come down to. I think that everything has to fall right. And fall right means that we've got to pitch good enough to get there.
"And can we do it? I don't know if we can do it. Like I said, it's time for us to see."
And yet ... and yet ... the Phillies are still in it, robustly. They beat the Mets for the fourth straight time Friday night and are still three games out of the wild-card lead.
"It's there," said closer Tom Gordon, who -- by dint of having played in Boston, New York and now Philadelphia -- happens to be a graduate of the holy trinity of Big Bad Baseball cities. "The fans, well, they are different. They let us have it and you can hear it. But we have a chance. All you can ask for is a chance."
Howard Bryant is a senior writer for ESPN.com and ESPN The Magazine. He is the author of "Shut Out: A Story of Race and Baseball in Boston" and "Juicing the Game: Drugs, Power and the Fight for the Soul of Major League Baseball." He can be reached at Howard.Bryant@espn3.com.
Solid article. But it would be 1000x better if it was about those poor Red Sox fans.
ha
Pinch hit Grand Slam Dobbs
Bums up 10-5
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 16, 2007, 03:42:42 PM
Pinch hit Grand Slam Dobbs
Bums up 10-5
Not to be a negative nancy but the Phils offense has been horrific today. They've had the leadoff batter on base every inning, the Mets have commited 5 errors and they've walked like 7 or 8 times. Not to mention that Oliver Perez didn't make it out of the 5th inning and had thrown over 100 pitches with a 50/50 strike/ball ratio and yet they couldn't build up a significant lead until Dobbs hit that slam.
Take 'em any way you can get 'em though.
Eaton it did his best to blow the game, but somehow the Phils keep getting back ahead.
It was funny to hear Darling and Hernandez moan about how poorly the Mets play against the Phillies. They said the Phillies must be putting a spell on the Mets. :-D
Paul Sux Dica is up. Manuel should have had Gas Can put one against his temple. Unfortunately, I'll have to live with seeing him pop up against a AA pitcher.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 16, 2007, 03:49:52 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 16, 2007, 03:42:42 PM
Pinch hit Grand Slam Dobbs
Bums up 10-5
Not to be a negative nancy but the Phils offense has been horrific today. They've had the leadoff batter on base every inning, the Mets have commited 5 errors and they've walked like 7 or 8 times. Not to mention that Oliver Perez didn't make it out of the 5th inning and had thrown over 100 pitches with a 50/50 strike/ball ratio and yet they couldn't build up a significant lead until Dobbs hit that slam.
Take 'em any way you can get 'em though.
THe last part is the only part that matters.
You're not going to get everything to click every game, every inning.. Sometimes it just doesn't come easy. But they had bases loaded, no outs, and ended up with 5 runs. THAT is being productive.
But nonetheless, the offense has gone into the tank AGAIN in September, eh?
Werth just got a horrible strike 3 called agianst him with the bases loaded. And that was the 5th Phillies strike out today with at least a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs.
nitpick
IGY.
I'll bussa cap in yo' ass.
Last time they swept the Mets, the starters went: Kendrick, Durbin, Eaton
Now, it's: Kendrick, Hamels (65 pitches tops), Moyer
So that's a slight improvement? Joy.
Conine just Bucknered a soft grounder by Howard. 6 errors for the Muts today. Franchise record is 7.
Gordon looked to injure his back, or at least have back spasms. Just what the Phils needed.
Hopefully Myers can be dominant a third day in a row.
Game. 8 in a row vs NY and 12 out of 19 for the year.
3.5 back of the Mets, but the Mets face the Marlins and Nationals (plus 1 makeup game with the Cardinals) for the rest of the year...
Doesn't look like the Giants are going to help out though...
Time to get swept by the Cardinals and Nationals.
The Mets had six errors today.
SIX.
Hahaha!
No matter, though. They'll go 9-1 in the next ten games to crush our tiny little Grinch-like hearts.
You actually have a heart? Some Philly fan you are.
According to ESPN:
Mon: Kendrick (8-4) v. Maroth (5-6)
Tue: Hamels (14-5) v. Wells (6-17)
Wed: Lohse (8-12) v. Wainwright (13-11)
Thu: Moyer (13-11) v. Bergmann (5-5)
Fri: Eaton (9-9) v. Hill (4-3)
Sat: Kendrick (8-4) v. Redding (3-5)
Sun: Hamels (14-5) v. Hanrahan (4-3)
Maroth is the only left-hander.
If they're right about Lohse going on Wednesday, he's going on short rest. That really doesn't make any sense because the Phillies have an off day on Monday, and Lohse can get his normal rest by pitching Thursday, Tuesday and Sunday to end the season.
Quote from: MDS on September 16, 2007, 11:34:01 PM
Mon: Kendrick (8-4) v. Maroth (5-6)
the Phillies have an off day on Monday
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 17, 2007, 05:56:47 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 16, 2007, 11:34:01 PM
Mon: Kendrick (8-4) v. Maroth (5-6)
the Phillies have an off day on Monday
no they don't
they need to go 10-3 in their last 13 to make the playoffs, 9-4 gets them a one game playoff, anything less is seeya next year
See ya next year.
Inqy says Moyer is starting that Wednesday game, so ESPN was wrong. Again.
It's Brad Thompson tonight, not Maroth...
Black Dunn set a new franchise record for Ks in a season, breaking Thome's 2003 mark of 182. He still has 2 weeks to go for the MLB record and did all of this while missing 18 games... :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 17, 2007, 12:21:51 PM
Black Dunn set a new franchise record for Ks in a season, breaking Thome's 2003 mark of 182. He still has 2 weeks to go for the MLB record and did all of this while missing 18 games... :yay
I'm almost certain that he'll break that record but as long as he keeps hitting home runs, driving in runs and being a pretty good performer in the clutch then the strikeouts will be overlooked. Especially if this team happens to dumb their way into the postseason.
Howard's inability to get the bat on the ball in key situations and otherwise is one of the most expected and one of the least severe causes of their suckitudinessity.
HOME RUN HOWARD! of course no one on.
Phils up 6-0. Homers by Howard, Rowand (2-run) and Rollins (3-run).
phils six, eagles nothing.
Howard with a slam. Phillies 11, Eagles 6.
Howard! Grand Slam! More offense than the birds.
Mets go up 4-0, lose 12-4 :yay
Phils up 12-3 in the bottom of the 7th
bahaha 12-7 jose mesa strikes again
oh shtein, here come the cardinals and mesa on the mound, 12- 8, farg.
12-9 i hate philadelphia.
They're trying to kill me. They're trying to give me the heart attack.
WHY was I born in Philly, to root for these crappy teams?!?!?!?
Actually Condrey farged it up, Mesa got out of it with minimal damage
And the Mets lost, too. What a great day to blow an 11-0 lead :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 17, 2007, 10:42:50 PM
They're trying to kill me. They're trying to give me the heart attack.
WHY was I born in Philly, to root for these crappy teams?!?!?!?
my wife was trying to calm me down at halftime, i was yelling i dont want to bring a child into this type of life
looks like we all got bored watching the birds game.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 17, 2007, 10:55:47 PM
looks like we all got bored watching the birds game.
I've been flipping back and forth all night. Until about 30 minutes ago, the Phillies were giving me hope.
Freaking bums and morons, the lot of 'em.
this all a bad dream right? this isn't happening, right?
12-10 now. Who the hell is Kane Davis, and why in the hell is he pitching in the middle of a freaking pennant chase when I haven't heard of him?
12-11 now, Pujols coming up.
iceholes.
abortion abortion abortion
what a night. birds stink, phils about to have the biggest meltdown since 1964.
Rowand ended up getting turned around and falling on his ass, but managed to catch the ball.
Eagles' WR could learn something from him.
Top 9, Phils up 12-11. I can't imagine Myers is available after pitching three straight, but it is the playoff run.
Rowand homers. 13-11 Bums.
way to go rowand! can he return punts?
franky rose and castro only 2 out there. need 30 more runs to feel safe.
Talk about overmanaging. Castros strikes out the first hitter and looks good doing it. Cholly immediately pulls him and puts in Rosario. Immediately, two men are on base with one out.
The heart attack is starting to look like the better option.
I leave Eagles game, Phillies up 11-0.
I come home, its 12-11.
fargers.
Two on, Branyan up. We all know what comes next.
EDIT: :-D Well, we all knew it would be one of two things.
BTW, that strike three call was a worse pitch that either ball two or ball three. Shoddy umpiring.
They held an 11-0 lead! Winners!!!
thank you god.
closest i've ever come to an aneurysm.
I thought the Strike 3 call was a good one. ???
Thank goodness they won that game...they'd better make the playoffs to soften the blow of another zesty Eagles season.
I'm drinking a f'ing Gatorade right now
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 17, 2007, 11:35:40 PM
I thought the Strike 3 call was a good one. ???
Thank goodness they won that game...they'd better make the playoffs to soften the blow of another zesty Eagles season.
That one was borderline, but the ball two and ball three pitches looked more like strikes to me.
I was just surprised to see that one rung up when the other two weren't. I guess the ump wasn't going to give Branyan three close pitches.
2.5 back of Mets all is well wooooo son
Phillies 13
Eagles 12
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 18, 2007, 12:03:20 AM
Phillies 13
Eagles 12
At least the Eagles have the decency to put any hopes we had of them to rest early in the season.
I can't wait until we get swept by DC and igy rushes the field in celebration
they wont get swept...im hoping for a split...history tells us tho that they lose 3 of 4
Arizona just gave up 5 in the 8th at home to San Francisco
San Diego won (again)
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2007, 12:37:29 AM
they wont get swept...im hoping for a split...history tells us tho that they lose 3 of 4
Let them get through the St. Louis series first.
So Cole will probably be out of the game by the 3rd or 4th inning, do they have a prayer that someone can get the game into the 7th?
The CSN replay started in the bottom of the 4th, so if anyone missed the game earlier, they can see Howard's grand slam and the total collapse of the pitching again...
YOu know, it didn't surprise me that they lost that huge lead.
What DID surprise me was that they still won even after giving up that lead.
Phillies teams in the past couple of years, at this point in the season, don't win that game. They lose 14-12.
The Phils now have 8 guys with at least 1 save
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 18, 2007, 11:17:04 AM
The Phils now have 8 guys with at least 1 save
I sent in my resume* and am expecting to hear back any day.
*My all-time line as a little league pitcher:
3 appearances, 1 start, 2-0 record, 7 IP, 6 ER, 1 K, 2 BB
I gave up 5 runs in an All-Star game. I qualify.
My changeup was killer as a 12 year old.
so was your ass in those baseball pants i'm sure
I was shtein faced and clocked 68 on the radar gun at CBP
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 18, 2007, 12:08:26 PM
I was shtein faced and clocked 68 on the radar gun at CBP
:-D
I kick some serious ass in MLB07 THE SHOW. I'm really good. Really good.
but i thought the pitching was always the problem and the offense was always great?
It must be hard on the bums, after all Kip Wells is in
i call him Cy for short
Werth-while!
Mets lose to the Nats 9-8.
Wow. Phils win this and they're 1.5 out of first.
biggest cocktease ever.
not liking this scenario too much....tom gordon in with one run ending the game
How slow is Eric Ludwig to be out at second on that horrible throw by Ruiz?
The Phils aren't hitting for crap tonight. Thankfully, they know how to take a walk.
As well as a lot of strike threes...
3 runs on 2 hits? what's wrong with that?
I was actually expecting Burrell to be thrown out at first on that play.
They intentionally walked Howard with a 2-2 count. :-D
Thank you, Tony!
howard was a 99% strikeout at that point...how do you walk him?
Quote from: SunMo on September 18, 2007, 11:24:45 PM
howard was a 99% strikeout at that point...how do you walk him?
I'd tell Isringhausen to put two more in the dirt!
Cardinals 2nd baseman goes home when he may have gotten a double play... and the catcher can't hold onto the ball.
4-3 Phils.
They don't go away. They just don't.
Fun stat of the day: the Phils only have 3 hits, but have managed to leave 10 men on base.
Myers' stuff isn't there tonight. First and third, one out.
who is this farging cardinal announcer? stfu!
Edmond's sac fly ties the game.
these card announcers are unbeliveably b rate. the more announcers i hear out there wheels ain't so bad.
human growth hormone boy is up - and out.
this pitching staff will have me in the local state hospital real soon.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 18, 2007, 11:40:20 PM
who is this farging cardinal announcer? stfu!
I have it turned down pretty far, but that's probably Al Hrabosky that's annoying you.
Great, we get to see Nunez hit! :D
Stepford fans in Heaven are such losers. Their team is 7 games out of a terrible division, i.e. they suck. Still they're chanting and cheering like it's a playoff game. Sad.
Also farg the wife beater.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 18, 2007, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on September 18, 2007, 11:40:20 PM
who is this farging cardinal announcer? stfu!
I have it turned down pretty far, but that's probably Al Hrabosky that's annoying you.
yes. he is pathetic. makes me miss Hernandez and Darling.
Choke artists.
Come on, Rollins, do something!
Good. Now steal second and let Utley drive you home.
Because Bourn is batting 3rd. :paranoid
Well, Rollins listened to me, but Utley isn't as coachable.
Come on, Bourn, drive him home!
Dang it, you pansies. I've got to get to bed. Two late nights like this, I may have to strangle a student tomorrow.
They'd better win. bastiches.
Let's do it fellas.
whew, back. had to pick up junior at football practice. painful having my father give me play by play over the cell phone as i'm cursing with every update with all the kids around.
great 12 men lob.
i can go all night, lets do it boys
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2007, 12:43:07 AM
i can go all night, lets do it boys
really. last night wasn't enough stress.
jose table, lots of man love baby!
love ya honey but i'm bringing my dinner up to my office with a glass of wine and watch the rest of this game.
howard up. pitch to him. 0-4.
what the farg was that howard?
sweet barajas!
now let's win this thing. don ho jr. has homework.
Don quit scaring everyone when they get up. But go team.
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2007, 01:06:34 AM
Don quit scaring everyone when they get up. But go team.
i'm scared shteinless.
I'm not Werthy! Up 3!!
who pitches the bottom of the 14th?
i can't watch this.
oh farg, condrey. pass the drano.
Freaking Mesa gives them 2 innings and Barajas wins the game. Unreal.
man did i need that after last night's debacle at the linc and the near outer body experience with the phils.
farg the birds. go phillies and you go charlie!
Condrey is the 9th Phillie pitcher to record a save this year :-D
1.5 behind the Mets!
This team is ridiculous.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 19, 2007, 01:21:00 AM
Condrey is the 9th Phillie pitcher to record a save this year :-D
1.5 behind the Mets!
1.5 behind the Padres, too.
They have to catch SOMEBODY.
So, if we look at who pitched for the Phils last night:
C. Hamels 3.0 5 3 3 1 2 0 3.59
J.D. Durbin 2.0 1 0 0 1 1 0 6.25
G. Geary 2.0 2 0 0 0 1 0 4.35
J.C. Romero 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1.59
T. Gordon 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 5.29
B. Myers (BS, 3) 2.0 2 1 1 0 2 0 4.57
J. Mesa (W, 1-2) 2.0 0 0 0 1 2 0 5.79
C. Condrey (S, 1) 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5.36
Who would have thought the Phils would win with their bullpen having to pitch 11 innings? 11 innings, one earned run - the bullpen won this game for the Fightins.
They get blasted a lot, and deservedly so, but they were stellar in this game.
lol @ those era's
if myers isnt in the opening day rotation next year it will be a joke
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 07:00:52 AM
lol @ those era's
if myers isnt in the opening day rotation next year it will be a joke
You can't just enjoy anything, huh?
I think J.C. Romero should win the Cy Young.
I love you guys.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2007, 08:04:39 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 19, 2007, 07:00:52 AM
lol @ those era's
if myers isnt in the opening day rotation next year it will be a joke
You can't just enjoy anything, huh?
Nope. Not a thing.
wake me up when they make the playoffs
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: Wingspan on September 19, 2007, 08:04:39 AM
You can't just enjoy anything, huh?
and you're just one of many that overreacts to everything he says
Hoping they win and foolishly expecting it are two very different things.
I don't think anyone is expecting it. I sure don't.
But I am hoping they do.
Reports from Philly and Pittsburgh this morning are saying that Amaro will be the new GM of the Astros and he's going to hire Ed Wade as a senior adviser... :-D
OMG HAPPY DAY!
Wait a second... Phreak's moving to Houston next week and now Ruben Amaro's getting the GM job there too?
Coincidence? I think not.
I love it.
Now I will get to rub those two no talent assclowns in the faces of the Houston fans.
Have fun with them, Houston. :yay
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2007, 01:16:54 AM
Freaking Mesa gives them 2 innings and Barajas wins the game. Unreal.
Said the exact same thing last night...except I couldn't watch Blue Glove pitch. I kept expecting to hear Harry give us another "oh, no"...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 19, 2007, 10:20:59 AM
Wait a second... Phreak's moving to Houston next week and now Ruben Amaro's getting the GM job there too?
Coincidence? I think not.
I wonder if he's purchased his jersey yet.
When they brought Pujols out to face Mesa, I was waiting for "*crack*....goodbye....that's way outta here...". At least Mesa used his brain for once and didn't give him anything to hit. Pujols might miss tonight's game too...
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 19, 2007, 10:46:36 AM
At least Mesa used his brain for once and didn't give him anything to hit.
You're assuming Mesa made a calculated decision and executed it well?
I was thinking that he was just missing his spots.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 19, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
Reports from Philly and Pittsburgh this morning are saying that Amaro will be the new GM of the Astros and he's going to hire Ed Wade as a senior adviser... :-D
That was the best news all day. That's farging fantastic.
All this means is Mike Arbuckle has the job.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=3021108
I posted that like 3 days ago?
PS...you;d know that if you didn't just come by here when they lose. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 19, 2007, 03:00:55 PM
PS...you;d know that if you gave more than a passing look at any of my posts
Considering I copied and pasted the whole article, its more likely just what I said....you hadn't been on here for days because they are winning.
theyve won six in a row and im here today
pump your brakes
probably has more to do with me being in philly from sunday to tuesday with no computer access...sorry i dont go back and search for pg posts
Go team.
IGY and PG would perfect for the 2007 remake of the movie
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4738/ilovetroublehl8.jpg)
Nick Nolte would be the perfect manager for the Phillies. Sign him.
NO HOTLINKING!
:-D
i guess there aren't enough fans in the stands to motivate Jimmy tonight
Holy crap, Chase got hit AGAIN with a pitch.
and he scores...nice!
Nice baserunning. :yay
Another awesome September display of offense. But hey, they did score 13 runs two nights ago.
Utley with a 1 out triple in the 8th of a tie game and they can't get him home.
once Pat struck out i knew the inning was all but over...
dammit shane! at least it wasn't a double play.
2 on, 1 out, 9th inning, tie game...you know the rest
son of a bitch. :boom
Losers strike again.
These Stepford fans are really annoying.
great. just prolonged the agony werth.
i just had visions of jr reed on that catch by shane.
(http://a150.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/122/m_2600e7b5a3df92cd91f190377ba84925.jpg)
The Gas Can ain't on empty just yet!
more extra innings. yeah.
it can't get any closer than that on Shane's catch, holy shtein
ankiel back to the clubhouse for a shot of HGH.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2007, 10:51:04 PM
2 on, 1 out, 9th 10th inning, tie game...you know the rest
Um, was that an out at first base? He certainly looked out to me.
russell branyan sucks
game over
2.5 back
they had more than enough chances to win and the offense came up LAME
farging bums
Myers pitch selection sucks
farg farg farg
Dear god. Dare I saw I'd rather see Barbaro as the closer than Wife Beater?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 19, 2007, 11:26:40 PM
farging bums
Myers pitch selection sucks
Myers sucks. hope he blows another gasket in the locker room.
That sucked.
Whatever, they'll win tomorrow.
Quote from: MDS on September 19, 2007, 11:27:27 PM
Dear god. Dare I saw I'd rather see Barbaro as the closer than Wife Beater?
He's a better option at this point, he has 2 or 3 somewhat effective pitches whereas Myers has 8 with poor location.
i'm off to the gym to let off some steam and beat an old lady up with a 5 lb. dumbbell.
the Padres are losing
Myers sucks
I guess the streak had to end at some point. Ah well...get 3 out of 4 in Washington. After tonight, the Phils won't get on a plane until the end of the season....
f'ing unbelievable....Padres down to their last strike, work a walk, then a 3-run walkoff by a no-name a**hole :boom
Diamondbacks won again too, so the Phils lost ground to everyone
Simmer down, Ed. The little things add up in the spring and over the summer, and that's why the Phillies are 2.5 back instead of 2.5 up.
Washington is going to work these fools over. Watch.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 01:39:19 AM
Washington is going to work these fools over. Watch.
When did igy steal Phreak's ID? :D
1 run in 11 innings in september?....no way
I'm going to the Nats/Phillies on Saturday. I wouldn't be surprised by a loss. The Nats aren't that bad, really. :'(
Myers definitely has the stuff to be a closer. Definitely.
:-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 06:07:20 AM
1 run in 11 innings in september?....no way
You only show up when they lose!!
!!
!
!!1
whats really ironic is that on the same night the phils gag for one run the team they are chasing hits a three run walk off johnson
also dont look now but burrell is six for his last thirty
but i thought Charlie kept the clubhouse so loose?
at least he'll keep them close with his brilliant managerial moves
yeah as much as the players shtein the bucket in sept the bottom line is with a real manager they lead the division right now
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 08:29:51 AM
whats really ironic is that on the same night the phils gag for one run the team they are chasing hits a three run walk off johnson
Right, I guess they had none of those against the Mets.
Conlin Wants Him Extended 2 Years (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20070920_Bill_Conlin___A_GOOD_MAN__CHARLIE.html)
With a real pitching staff this team is 10 games up in the Eastern Division.
Manuel's a fargtard. No one is disputing that. But the real problem was, is and always will be pitching with that bunch.
oh they play great when they are seven games back...the problem is they cant get the job done when its gets to a game or two
Which comes down to pitching. Again.
If Myers doesn't piss another game away last night the Phillies have a fighting chance to win that game. Yeah, the hitters shtein the bed last night, but come on... they've been smoking the ball for a week now. Once in a while you need your pitching staff to shut another team out and the chances of that happening with that staff is nearly zero, especially with Gawd pitching semi-hurt.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 09:12:42 AM
Which comes down to pitching. Again.
If Myers doesn't piss another game away last night the Phillies have a fighting chance to win that game. Yeah, the hitters shtein the bed last night, but come on... they've been smoking the ball for a week now. Once in a while you need your pitching staff to shut another team out and the chances of that happening with that staff is nearly zero, especially with Gawd pitching semi-hurt.
They held the Cards to 1 run through 9 innings. The pen may have "folded" in extras but let's not forget that they were used heavily the night before and did an outstanding job. I believe they pitched 11 scoreless innings on Tuesday.
I'm not defending the pitching at all because throughout the year they've blown plenty of leads with poor pitching. But when your pitching staff holds a team to 3 runs through 20+ innings then they have more than pulled their own weight. The pitching was more than good enough for them to win last night and the offense couldn't give them that 1 extra run they needed despite multiple scoring opportunities.
Once in a while you need the pitching staff to throw a shutout to win.
If Myers hadn't pissed another game away the Phillies would have had a decent shot to win.
Those are the two statements I made. Which of those was incorrect, Sassy?
Blaming the offense for coming up short last night is ridiculous because they've pounded the snot out of the ball all year long. They have more come-from-behind wins than any other team in MLB at this point. You can't come from behind in games without offensive firepower and they have it in spades. It's unrealistic to expect a team to produce runs in bunches night after night but is it really so unrealistic to expect a pitching staff to blank another team on occasion, especially on the rare occasion when the offense isn't doing much?
I don't think so.
The pitching is horrendous night after night - but sure, let's blame the offense for losing a game on the rare occasion when the pitching staff only gives up two runs.
i disagree about myers pissing the game away...he didnt come in with a lead and lose it like he did tues...like sarge pointed out he pitched the night before as well and two innings at that
im not saying the phils need to double digit every night but you cant be throwing up one run in 11 innings in the last week and a half of a playoff race against a team like the cardinals...if its jake peavy acceptable last night not acceptable
They didn't have a hit the entire night when someone was on 2nd or 3rd. How is that not the offense's fault?
get some Ed...get some
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 20, 2007, 10:08:18 AM
They didn't have a hit the entire night when someone was on 2nd or 3rd. How is that not the offense's fault?
The hitters are unmotivated because they're convinced the pitching staff or managerial moves would undo anything they'd accomplish, obviously.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 10:01:39 AM
Once in a while you need the pitching staff to throw a shutout to win.
If Myers hadn't pissed another game away the Phillies would have had a decent shot to win.
Those are the two statements I made. Which of those was incorrect, Sassy?
Take your pick. ;)
Quote
Blaming the offense for coming up short last night is ridiculous because they've pounded the snot out of the ball all year long. They have more come-from-behind wins than any other team in MLB at this point. You can't come from behind in games without offensive firepower and they have it in spades. It's unrealistic to expect a team to produce runs in bunches night after night but is it really so unrealistic to expect a pitching staff to blank another team on occasion, especially on the rare occasion when the offense isn't doing much?
I don't think so.
The pitching is horrendous night after night - but sure, let's blame the offense for losing a game on the rare occasion when the pitching staff only gives up two runs.
This team was assembled with the intention of being some sort of offensive jaugernaut. And while no team will put 12 across the plate every night, this team has no excuse to not put up at least 3 runs against damn near every pitcher in mlb.
And it's a real waste when the pitching staff goes out and exceeds expectations like they did yesterday and the offense shteins the bed.
the offense has been carrying the pitching all year...this should not be a surprise to anyone...so now with a week left in the season the offense is not expected to score two runs in a game?
its precisely the games where they get a quality start that they should be winning
i mean what game do you blame on the offense if it isnt a 2-1 game...one where they lose 11-10 because they offense couldnt put up that 12th run??
Don't click this at work or the IT nerds will yell at you (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2631077)
New Phillies alternate jersey for 2008
I refuse to blame this offense when they lose a tight low scoring game. They've bailed the pitching staff out so many farging times this year it's ridiculous.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 20, 2007, 12:09:17 PM
Don't click this at work or the IT nerds will yell at you (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2631077)
New Phillies alternate jersey for 2008
blue caps and no pinstripes? ummmmmmmmmmm
Ed Wade gets the Houston GM job (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3029117)
I guess Amaro goes to Pittsburgh
Was this loss my fault? (http://www.readmetro.com/show/en/Philadelphia/20070920/1/17/)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 01:20:10 PM
I refuse to blame this offense when they lose a tight low scoring game. They've bailed the pitching staff out so many farging times this year it's ridiculous.
I can. Because when the pitching staff is pitching better than they usually do (which they have for the last 2 games) then you can't blame them.
The Phillies are currently ranked 26th in MLB in team era with 4.83. So when they go out there and throw 20 innings and only give up 3 runs they are by far playing above their abilities and it's only a matter of time before they return to their normal ways.
Pitching doesn't lose a game that's tied at 1 going into extra innings. Lack of execution on offense does. I am not trying to defend this pitching staff at all. They are what they are, and they suck. And when they give up 9 runs in a game then they aren't even pitching up to their "level" and deserve to be bashed.
But this team wasn't built around pitching. It was built around offense. So when the pitching staff gives up 4-5-6 runs a game, I don't get pissed off about it because that's what the stats say they are supposed to do. Their pitching sucks but I can't blame them for sucking. I can only blame management for sending them out on the field.
The offense on the other hand, is 2nd in MLB in runs scored averaging 5.5 a game. So when they go out and score 4-5-6 runs a game, they are doing their job. When they score 1 run in a game, they aren't doing their job and last night was a perfect example of that.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 20, 2007, 02:24:02 PM
Ed Wade gets the Houston GM job (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3029117)
I guess Amaro goes to Pittsburgh
I thought they were the same person.
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2007, 02:26:45 PM
Was this loss my fault? (http://www.readmetro.com/show/en/Philadelphia/20070920/1/17/)
Good job Orodenker!
Going to the a Phil's game when they are here in D.C. Who is pitching Friday, Saturday, and Sunday?
QuoteSo, I was sitting in the airport in St. Louis this morning (couldn't get a wireless signal there), reading the Post-Dispatch, when I came across this nugget from Molina, who was surprised the Phillies were playing a "no-doubles" defense in the 10th. Molina didn't think he'd be able to pull Myers, so he wasn't sure why the Phillies had Greg Dobbs shading toward the third-base bag. That left a hole between third and short, and Molina was able to pull the ball just enough through the hole.
"I don't know why," Molina said of the Phillies' defensive posture. "Thank God, it went through."
After the game, Brett Myers had this to say about the defense: "We were playing 'no doubles,' and that leaves a big hole. That hole beats a lot of teams." Heading over to RFK in a few minutes. I'll make sure to ask Charlie Manuel why he employed that particular defense. Should be interesting to see what he says.
who cares!! the players love playing for the moron...
man on second, who gives a farg about a double, but play no doubles anyway...nice work chuck, enjoy the extension when you get it, you farging mashed potato head
Quote from: PPinDC on September 20, 2007, 03:52:38 PM
Going to the a Phil's game when they are here in D.C. Who is pitching Friday, Saturday, and Sunday?
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 03:54:47 PM
who cares!! the players love playing for the moron...
man on second, who gives a farg about a double, but play no doubles anyway...nice work chuck, enjoy the extension when you get it, you farging mashed potato head
This didn't have anything to do with my question. Dick.
i know...you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time...you ran into a freight train baby!
Quote from: SunMo on September 20, 2007, 03:54:47 PM
QuoteSo, I was sitting in the airport in St. Louis this morning (couldn't get a wireless signal there), reading the Post-Dispatch, when I came across this nugget from Molina, who was surprised the Phillies were playing a "no-doubles" defense in the 10th. Molina didn't think he'd be able to pull Myers, so he wasn't sure why the Phillies had Greg Dobbs shading toward the third-base bag. That left a hole between third and short, and Molina was able to pull the ball just enough through the hole.
"I don't know why," Molina said of the Phillies' defensive posture. "Thank God, it went through."
After the game, Brett Myers had this to say about the defense: "We were playing 'no doubles,' and that leaves a big hole. That hole beats a lot of teams." Heading over to RFK in a few minutes. I'll make sure to ask Charlie Manuel why he employed that particular defense. Should be interesting to see what he says.
who cares!! the players love playing for the moron...
man on second, who gives a farg about a double, but play no doubles anyway...nice work chuck, enjoy the extension when you get it, you farging mashed potato head
This play actually had nothing to do with manuel. They were actually panning the dugout and showing Lopes moving the defense around and positioning it.
fri - eaton
sat - kendrick
sun - hamels
Padres up 3-1
Rockies up 6-0
Quote from: Wingspan on September 20, 2007, 04:02:57 PM
This play actually had nothing to do with manuel. They were actually panning the dugout and showing Lopes moving the defense around and positioning it.
c'mon, he's the manager, he makes the decisions
matt holiday is the mvp if the rockies make the playoffs
hes putting on an all time great stretch run
has a three run hr today
i believe its his 10 hr in his last 11 games
Charlie gives Lopes the defense he wants and then Lopes signals the alignment to the players.
And I agree about Holliday. He's head and shoulders above everyone in the MVP race win or lose. His numbers, especially in the past few weeks, have been incredible.
Bora$ client, too
Pirates tied the Padres game at 3-3
Quote from: Wingspan on September 20, 2007, 04:02:57 PM
This play actually had nothing to do with manuel. They were actually panning the dugout and showing Lopes moving the defense around and positioning it.
I'm guessing that Cholly tells Lopes the defense he wants on the field and Lopes sends out the signals. But let's pretend that Lopes acted rebelliously and made the decision all on his own. Is Cholly not allowed to question the authority of his 1st base coach?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 04:04:49 PM
fri - eaton
sat - kendrick
sun - hamels
I'll be there that night. I expect it to feel like a Phillies game with the number of Sillie fans there!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 20, 2007, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 20, 2007, 04:02:57 PM
This play actually had nothing to do with manuel. They were actually panning the dugout and showing Lopes moving the defense around and positioning it.
I'm guessing that Cholly tells Lopes the defense he wants on the field and Lopes sends out the signals. But let's pretend that Lopes acted rebelliously and made the decision all on his own. Is Cholly not allowed to question the authority of his 1st base coach?
Lopes was brought here to help Manuel with these things (Williams too).
All I know is the camera showed Lopes twitching like tyler durden. While Manuel wasnt even in shot.
San Diego gets 3 more 2-out runs....6-3 :boom
Ed is gonna kill himself one of these days.
Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Burrell
Rowand
Dobbs
Ruiz
Lohse
Lopez
Belliard
Zimmerman
Pena
Church
Kearns
Fick
Schneider
Bergmann
Mitch on DNL: "Charlie deserves an extension because of what he's done with this team"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 06:24:56 PM
Mitch on DNL: "Charlie deserves an extension because of what he's done with this team"
So far, he's done nothing that Larry Bowa didn't do. Except get fired.
Bowa never had to deal with injuries like this.
Choke Dawg 2R shot....then the Nats get one back.
2-1
Lohse has nothing. Pitching, pitching, pitching.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 20, 2007, 07:29:58 PM
Bowa never had to deal with injuries like this.
Sure he did. David Bell, Randy Wolf for example. Plus Burrell's vadge seemed to be in excrutiating pain when Bowa was here. Plus, I don't think that Bowa had a team as talented as this one either. And Cholly's still producing the same results.
haha, david bell
larry bowa had to deal with david bell, jesus christ
get this farging apache out of the game
hey...stupid pear shaped mother farger...get this icehole out of the game
Jesus farg.
But I shouldnt be shocked..I expected this.
Black IGY drills an epic shot only to have - SURPRISE! - the pitching staff surrender the lead a scant inning later.
Go team.
PS: Isn't RFK one of those cavernous ballparks that Boras was saying Lohse would do so well in? Yeah.
I've been covering Nats games all year for the radio station I work for. They really aren't as bad as people think they are. I know that it's not any consolation and I'm pissed off, too. But I expected them to give the Phils a hard time. :poison
Jimmy really took a shtein the past 4 games
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 07:44:14 PM
I've been covering Nats games all year for the radio station I work for. They really aren't as bad as people think they are. I know that it's not any consolation and I'm pissed off, too. But I expected them to give the Phils a hard time. :poison
these four games scare the shtein out of me. Nationals not rolling over for anyone.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 20, 2007, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: Quasimoto on September 20, 2007, 07:44:14 PM
I've been covering Nats games all year for the radio station I work for. They really aren't as bad as people think they are. I know that it's not any consolation and I'm pissed off, too. But I expected them to give the Phils a hard time. :poison
these four games scare the shtein out of me. Nationals not rolling over for anyone.
Not at all. I remember at the beginning of the season people predicting they'd be worse than the Mets team who lost a billion games (year and number slip my mind). They aren't great but Acta has them playing competitive baseball. I'm going to the game on Saturday and will be rooting my head off for the Philths.
great stretch run performance tonight. wtf was ruiz thinking?
I figure they can lose 1 game in these last 10....so, there you go.
Quote from: MDS on September 20, 2007, 08:41:12 PM
I figure they can lose 1 game in these last 10....so, there you go.
I'm listening. Jews can count.
Werth PH 3R HR
Rollins 2B
Vic sacs Jimmy to 3rd*
*silly to give them an out to kill a rally
Rollins scores.. tie game!
the friggen marlins are up 4-3 in the top of the 8th
Can we clone JC Romero and just have like 5 more of him in the pen?
Marlins need 3 outs...
Sweet....MVP Rollins comes up large.
yes J-roll
LoDuca led off the 9th with a double
farg him.
I hope someone beans him in the ear.
now it's 1st and 3rd no outs
they walked Green to load the bases for Reyes, the Mets are about to tie it, barring a miracle
are they home or away?
in Florida
Reyes strikes out....double play ends the game
farging Marlon Anderson with a 3 run triple
marlon the marlin killer!!
fricken mets
oh yay.
Here comes Myers.
and so it begins.
Marlins cut it to 7-5 one out one on bottom of the ninth
Myers just got hosed on a strike call. This guy should be out right now.
7-6 Mets, 1 out, man on 1st
7-6 Mets.
yes, meyers was hosed on that call.
WOW, loads of Phils fans there lol
Werth is awesome.
Do we have this guy signed for next year?
2nd and 3rd 1 out.. lets go marlins
NASTY.
farging marlins man....they ain't quittin
STRUCK HIM OUT!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 20, 2007, 10:32:52 PM
WOW, loads of Phils fans there lol
There aren't many Nat fans at this point
Myers with the save!
Maybe the Marlins will do to the Mets what they do to the Phils every year...kill their playoff chances. LOL
anyone know that prick that almost farged us over? drunken idiot. bartman.
ANyone know the answer to my Werth question?
tied up in florida!!!!!!!!!!
marlins tie it!
with a man on 3rd still....2 outs.
Come on FISH!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 20, 2007, 10:33:48 PM
Werth is awesome.
Do we have this guy signed for next year?
Arbitration
Damn...foul out to 1st. Extra innings in Florida....
:-D I knew you'd know. :-D
extra innings.
dammit
the marlins have the top of the lineup up next inning, if they can keep it tied i think they can win it next inning
Tankersly got through the top of the 10th.
Come on Fishes.
Hanley Ramirez leads off with an infield single.
GAME OVER. MARLINS WIN!
game over 1.5 back!! WOOOO
OH MY fargING GOD!!!!!!!!!1
:yay
MARLINS! MARLINS! MARLINS!
hope all 7 people watching enjoyed the game. fricken players look like they won the penant.
nicey nice
I luv me sum fishies.
I'm so glad we're done with Florida. I hate that team and the Mets have to deal with them 6 more times...
ha
QuoteUggla was just asked if it was weird that the Phillies are rooting for them. He said "Yeah, it is, we still don't like them and they still don't like us, but I guess they are on our side right now."
uggla and ramirez are on my fantasy baseball team so i'll gladly take their 7 hits, 2 runs and 1 rbi.
i picked up bergman today cause i knew hed own the phils...bullpen blew my win tho
we have to root for that a-hole Scott Olsen tomorrow night :-\
Phillies 2008 schedule:
-- March 31, April 2-3 (MON, WED-THU) = vs Washington (1PM season opener)
-- April 4-6 (FRI-SUN) = at Cincinnati
-- April 7-9 (MON-WED) = at NY Mets
-- April 10-13 (THU-SUN) = vs Chicago Cubs
-- April 15-17 (TUE-THU) = vs Houston
-- April 18-20 (FRI-SUN) = vs NY Mets
-- April 21-22 (MON-TUE) = at Colorado
-- April 23-24 (WED-THU) = at Milwaukee
-- April 25-27 (FRI-SUN) = at Pittsburgh
-- April 29-May 1 (TUE-THU) = vs San Diego
-- May 2-4 (FRI-SUN) = vs San Francisco
-- May 5-7 (MON-WED) = at Arizona
-- May 8-11 (THU-SUN) = at San Francisco
-- May 13-15 (TUE-THU) = vs Atlanta
-- May 16-18 (FRI-SUN) = vs Toronto
-- May 19-21 (MON-WED) = at Washington
-- May 22-25 (THU-SUN) = at Houston
-- May 27-29 (TUE-THU) = vs LA Dodgers
-- May 30-June 1 (FRI-SUN) = vs Florida
-- June 2-5 (MON-THU) = vs Cincinnati
-- June 6-8 (FRI-SUN) = at Atlanta
-- June 10-12 (TUE-THU) = at Florida
-- June 13-16 (FRI-MON) = at St. Louis
-- June 17-19 (TUE-THU) = vs Boston
-- June 20-22 (FRI-SUN) = vs LA Angels
-- June 23-25 (MON-WED) = at Oakland
-- June 27-29 (FRI-SUN) = at Texas
-- June 30-July 3 (MON-THU) = at Atlanta
-- July 4-6 (FRI-SUN) = vs NY Mets
-- July 8-10 (TUE-THU) = vs St. Louis
-- July 11-13 (FRI-SUN) = vs Arizona
-- July 14-16 (MON-WED) = ALL-STAR BREAK
-- July 18-20 (FRI-SUN) = at Florida
-- July 21-23 (MON-WED) = at NY Mets
-- July 25-27 (FRI-SUN) = vs Atlanta
-- July 29-31 (TUE-THU) = at Washington
-- August 1-3 (FRI-SUN) = at St. Louis
-- August 5-7 (TUE-THU) = vs Florida
-- August 8-10 (FRI-SUN) = vs Washington
-- August 11-14 (MON-THU) = at LA Dodgers
-- August 15-17 (FRI-SUN) = at San Diego
-- August 19-21 (TUE-THU) = vs Colorado
-- August 22-24 (FRI-SUN) = vs Pittsburgh
-- August 25-27 (MON-WED) = vs NY Mets
-- August 28-31 (THU-SUN) = at Chicago Cubs
-- September 1-3 (MON-WED) = at Washington
-- September 5-7 (FRI-SUN) = at NY Mets
-- September 8-10 (MON-WED) = vs Florida
-- September 11-14 (THU-SUN) = vs Milwaukee
-- September 16-17 (TUE-WED) = at Atlanta
-- September 19-21 (FRI-SUN) = at Florida
-- September 22-24 (MON-WED) = vs Atlanta
-- September 26-28 (FRI-SUN) = vs Washington
So with LA here and the trip to Texas, I believe only Cleveland has to come to Philly for the Phils to play every team home and away.
Sweet...I'll get to see them in Arlington and Houston. :yay
So phreak, you and Ed Wade gonna be roomies?
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070920/capt.40d1bb87129e4532bb95fc88e5acf292.astros_wade_baseball_hta102.jpg) (http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070920/capt.820d698a2ac64fcfafde8e1df9a76160.astros_wade_baseball_hta101.jpg)
The first thing I noticed is that they don't play the Marlins until May 30th but by then they'll have already played the entire season series against the Giants.
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 11:58:23 PM
The first thing I noticed is that they don't play the Marlins until May 30th but by then they'll have already played the entire season series against the Giants.
:-D
You actually noticed that? First? Lame.
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070920/capt.820d698a2ac64fcfafde8e1df9a76160.astros_wade_baseball_hta101.jpg)(http://lrrc3.sas.upenn.edu/popcult/Movies/yoda.lg.jpg)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 20, 2007, 11:59:18 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 11:58:23 PM
The first thing I noticed is that they don't play the Marlins until May 30th but by then they'll have already played the entire season series against the Giants.
:-D
You actually noticed that? First? Lame.
Yeah - it's strange that someone who lives in Florida would look to see when the Phillies play there.
sAssy.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 20, 2007, 11:56:51 PM
So phreak, you and Ed Wade gonna be roomies?
Ha..shtein no, man. I'm going to point and laugh hysterically at the Astros fans who now have to listen to that walking box of cliches.
I heard a few clips of his PC on CSN and it enraged me because the guy says the same shtein as he did here. That's one reason why Amaro irks me, other than him being a pompous prick is the Ed Wadeisms. Like "we've got to get to the finish line"...dude, shut the farg up and die.
Let's just pray to god that Pittsburgh hires Amaro so he isn't the guy to replace our dumbass GM when he rolls. Drayton McClane reportedly wanted Amaro but Tal Smith wanted Wade in HOU.
ha...his upper lip shows how he got the job
Following the game here after the fact is way better than actually watching or checking for a recap.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 21, 2007, 05:55:26 AM
Following the game here after the fact is way better than actually watching or checking for a recap.
Yeah, I had to get to bed early last night (too many evenings of going to bed at midnight and getting up at 5), so I went to bed with the Phils down 6-2.
GREAT to get up and see that they managed to pull it off!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 21, 2007, 12:03:07 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 20, 2007, 11:59:18 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 20, 2007, 11:58:23 PM
The first thing I noticed is that they don't play the Marlins until May 30th but by then they'll have already played the entire season series against the Giants.
:-D
You actually noticed that? First? Lame.
Yeah - it's strange that someone who lives in Florida would look to see when the Phillies play there.
sAssy.
Not so much the fact that you looked when Florida plays but that you happened to notice that the Phils close out their season series with the Giants before opening it with the fishies.
Eaton on the mound, ah. um, LETS GO MARLINS
Howard with another HR.....1-1
Mets losing 3-0 already
The home plate umpire has a tiny strike zone.
Eventually, this will probably be a high scoring game. He's not giving anything at the knees.
Patricia is bossman.
4-1 bums.
The Mets have tied the Marlins at 3-3.
Is there any way Adam Eaton can contract AIDS in the next 15 minutes? Please?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 21, 2007, 08:09:38 PM
Is there any way Adam Eaton can contract AIDS in the next 15 minutes? Please?
SunMo could farg him in the ear, but AIDS takes a long time to kill.
wish someone would bean don sutton in the Nationals booth. Hey Sutton, were not deaf.
Eaton! No lead is safe with this guy.
Eaton-it's choking on it right now.
And Gas Can is warming up... :boom
phew. that could have been big trouble.
Unfortunately, the Mets are now up 8-3 and threatening to score more.
Adam Eaton, the $24M four to five inning pitcher who is allergic to the strike zone. farging loser.
Pathetic in the Mets game. The ump is GIVING Pedro strikes that are 5 inches outside and low. Willingham should have just walked to make 2 men on with no out, instead he hits into a DP on a 3-2 count and Jacobs doubles the next pitch. Sad.
Mets up 8-4, just got into the 6th to make it official, and now they're in a rain delay. There is a chance they don't get back on the field tonight - it's been raining hard off and on all day.
Gas Can has been money. What?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 21, 2007, 09:16:59 PM
Mets up 8-4, just got into the 6th to make it official, and now they're in a rain delay. There is a chance they don't get back on the field tonight - it's been raining hard off and on all day.
No sign of the rain stopping yet, but they're going to try to wait it out.
Correct; Gas Can has been money....it's about time. Keep him throwing like this and keep Flash healthy and Myers' and Romero's arms attached and maybe they have a shot.
They won, everyone.
Romero, Gordon and Myers all used 4 days in a row. Probably none of them available tomorrow.
Also a side note:
TBS will have the ALDS, NLDS and NLCS, all the games. And they won't air on broadcast stations in home markets (like ESPN allows MNF to). So everyone in Philly will have to have TBS or go to a bar to see the games. However, they are adding an HD station for the playoffs.
Superb reporting, Orodenker.
I read articles from USAToday and call them my on work. Next stop, Fox News (just replace "USAToday" with "RNC").
With the Mets and Marlins in a rain delay, I suppose we should at least be rooting for the Rockies against the Padres. Right now is 0-0 in the bottom of the 3rd.
Rockies beat Padres. 1.5 games back in both WC and division. Not too confident with Redman going tomorrow however.
1.5 back in 2 races
Also 3 back of DBacks
Marlins/Mets game on Fox tomorrow at 4.
The Marlins had six farging errors last night and Olsen pitched like horseshtein. Thanks for nothing, Marlins, you cockholes.
:boom
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 22, 2007, 07:20:42 AM
The Marlins had six farging errors last night and Olsen pitched like horseshtein. Thanks for nothing, Marlins, you cockholes.
:boom
Olsen's line: five innings, eight runs, NONE of them earned.
The Marlins must really hate the Phillies to roll over for the Mets like that. ;)
Obviously there's no way they took a dive but six errors + Olsen pitching does make you wonder just for a second.
impressive win...i thought for sure hill would lock them down like he normally does...nice time for his worst start of the year
@ mds - tbs is adding a hd channel just for the baseball playoffs or they are permanently adding a hd station that is starting in time for the playoffs?
Permanent like TNT HD, but it doesn't look like Comcast is adding it yet
Bums caught a break there because Guzman looked safe at the plate
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 22, 2007, 09:33:16 PM
Bums caught a break there because Guzman looked safe at the plate
No doubt to me that he beat the tag... not sure if his leg was down and touching the plate.
Manuel takes out Dobbs for Nunez in the 6th with 1-0 lead, so now Babe bats in the 8th with a runner on 1st. Wiseman, indeed.
the big guy comes up HUGE!
Howard singles in the go ahead run!
Choke dawg in da house, yo.
[/IGY]
Myers has pitched like 4 or 5 days in a row now including the 9th. But he went through the 9th pretty quickly. Does Manuel stick with him or not?
Personally, I say you throw him out there. 1 week left and it's a pennant race, you gotta stick with what got you here.
Condrey warming up. :-\
If the Phils don't blow this scoring opportunity then I guess I don't have a problem with resting Myers. But if it remains less than a 3 run lead then I think you gotta stick with him.
Part of the problem is how long this inning is lasting. Have to wonder about whether Myers has been sitting too long, especially with already having had arm troubles this season.
That said, he's supposed to be the closer, and this is a must-win. Must go with your best.
Clay F'n Condrey? :-D
EDIT: Ruiz is "batting" for Myers now. Clay F'n Condrey it is... :paranoid
Ruiz comes up big
4-1
Rockies up 2-0 on the Padres
This has been a painfully long inning. Ruiz came through and hit a single with the bases loaded and plate another but a Phillies baserunner gets thrown out at the plate for the 2nd time in the inning. Awesome.
Smith coaches the Phils to the end of the inning. With Rollins coming up, I'd keep slow-footed Helms at third.
If Victorino was able to run (assuming that running Helms for the Flyin' Hawaiian is because of the injury, and not because Cholly started on the PBR early tonight), he'd have scored, though...
I don't know if Smith sent Bourne on the grounder to 3rd or not but with 2nd base empty, that was a pretty dumb decision regardless of who made it.
And how the hell is Clay Condrey 5-0?
OMGCLAYCONDREY!
Bums win 4-1.
Let's go Rockies!
How bout dem bums
Lets go Rockies
3-0, Col right now.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 22, 2007, 11:07:34 PM
3-0, Col right now.
3-2, bases loaded for the Padres and Brian Giles up.
You knew Mark Redman wasn't holding a 3-0 lead.
UPDATE: Giles pops out to end the inning. 3-2 Rockies
Holy hell kids, this is it.
I heard some stat on Condrey the other night where he's got like a sub-1 era when pitching in games with a lead that's 3 R or less. He only shteins the bed when coming in with a huge lead or when they're getting beaten down.
Anyways, good win again. I thought for sure Washington would kill them. They do every year. Now they'll just wait for Bobby Cox and his boys to come to town to shtein all over themselves.
Mike Cameron just dropped the third out to let two more runs score in the 8th.
Rockies up 6-2.
farg me I made over $150 tonight AND the Phils moved to within .5 (if Colorado doesnt blow it) of the wild card. Something's gotta give....
Wade: Regrest he's had a few (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070923_On_Baseball___Wade__Regrets__hes_had_a_few.html)
Decent article and recap of his tenure
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 23, 2007, 10:25:54 AM
Wade: Regrest he's had a few (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070923_On_Baseball___Wade__Regrets__hes_had_a_few.html)
Decent article and recap of his tenure
Wade wasn't as horrible as I think he's portrayed but at the same time, as the article stated, he was never able to pull the trigger on a deal that got the Phillies into the playoffs. That's why I got fed up with him. That and for trading Polanco who should be the Phillies starting 3rd baseman.
Wade is somewhat like a counterpart of Andy Reid for the Phillies. Wade got the Phils back to respectability, and they have been in the hunt for the last half-decade, but he could not cover the final distance to make them a truly elite team.
Reid has, of course, had more success in making the playoffs, but the general point is there.
Alf blows.
Bums.
Offense comes up small on a day they needed to come up big. They've been bad this entire series, thankfully the bullpen came through. They'll be well rested for the Braves series.
Uggla ties it off Wagner :-D :yay
Well clearly Werth has hit a wall. Victorino should play if he can.
Also, Romero, Condrey, Geary, Gordon and Myers should be the only relievers allowed to come into a close game.
Quote from: MDS on September 23, 2007, 04:30:30 PM
Also, Romero, Condrey, Geary, Gordon and Myers should be the only relievers allowed to come into a game.
I meant to write game, but for some reason wrote close. Hmmm.
Anyway, Col/SD 1-1 early and Muts now in the 11th.
Mets win 7-6 in 11. Magic number falls to 5 :(
Padres losing 5-1
Seems bad, but the Mets have used their bullpen every day for the past week. And none of them are any good to begin with. And they don't have a day off. At least the Phils got Romero, Myers and Gordon 2 days off.
San Diego got swept at home by Colorado, so the Phils stay .5 back
SD = 3 at San Francisco, 4 at Milwaukee
Phillies get James/Hudson/Smoltz this series. crap.
Only 1 game up on Colorado and they have a Dodger team that gave up, and a DBacks team that might have nothing to play for by the weekend. So....
colorado is gonna win the wild card and deservingly so
14 wins in a row to end the season?
igy's desperation for attention is getting increasingly enjoyable.
i mean they could flop in the last week but right now they are the best team in nl have a lineup thats almost as good as the phils and better pitching...they are the most complete team of the wild card contenders and thus should make it...plus they play in the toughest division by far in the NL
Its a 3 team race for the WC and I honestly have no idea who's gonna win it but the bums deserve it just as much as the Rockies. The NL East is no picnic either.
look at me look at me
-igy
awwwww did someone say your favorite team isnt the best
everything will be ok little guy...trust
lose 1 game this week, you get into the playoffs
lose 2 you have a 1 game playoff
lose 3, good night irene
I can't honestly see them losing more than 2 games. They've been too hot.
But history shows that its possible. :-\
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 01:18:58 PM
awwwww did someone say your favorite team isnt the best
everything will be ok little guy...trust
uncle havas swear to me
they will lose at least two to atlanta alone
cant get a read on the nationals series...they should have at best split this weekend with them without an unbelievable performance by the bullpen....that aint happening again
i say they go 3-3
Quote from: MDS on September 24, 2007, 12:57:48 PM
look at me look at me
-igy
btw make sure to reference the above after your 752nd post in the flyers thread this year telling us how much hockey sucks
I think they'll sweep both series and still miss the playoffs.
that's virtually impossible
james - moyer - WIN
hudson - loshe - LOSS
smoltz - eaton - DOMINATING LOSS
redding - hamels - WIN
bergmann - moyer - WIN
hill - lohse - LOSS
so Kendrick won't pitch at all this week? good call homie!
fill him in where youd like
still 2-3 l vs atl
2-3 w vs nats
book it
$20 says they take at least 2 of 3 from Atlanta
id guess 5-1 and they either fall 1 game short of sd or tie.
bradley is out for the year and the padres are reeling, they definitely lose at least 2 games this week. Colorado has to lose at some point....this may actually happen.
no word on rotation either. moyer goes tuesday, lohse wednesday.
id bring kendrick and hamels on regular rest thursday and friday. then figure it out on saturday. if the likes of condrey and geary can get you into the 5th, id use them. maybe eaton/durbin on a really short leash. figure saturday and sunday you gotta go balls out and win the games, everyone should be available.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 24, 2007, 01:22:32 PM
I can't honestly see them losing more than 2 games. They've been too hot.
But history shows that its possible. :-\
With Eaton and Lohse pitching, it's very easy to see them lose two.
Both of them are farging retards that should have never been brought on board.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
james - moyer - WIN
hudson - loshe - LOSS
smoltz - eaton - DOMINATING LOSS
redding - hamels - WIN
bergmann - moyer - WIN
hill - lohse - LOSS
Kendrick is mostely likely pitching thursday, it would be in place of eaton, and on a normal 5 day rest.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 24, 2007, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
james - moyer - WIN
hudson - loshe - LOSS
smoltz - - LOSS
redding - hamels - WIN
bergmann - moyer - WIN
hill - lohse - LOSS
Kendrick is mostely likely pitching thursday, it would be in place of eaton, and on a normal 5 day rest.
fixed
phillies.com has eaton going on thursday, hamels friday, and presumably kendrick saturday.
i dont see how that makes any sense. eaton has been eaton alive by atlanta this season. you want to avoid pitching him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 01:46:04 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 24, 2007, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
james - moyer - WIN
hudson - loshe - LOSS
smoltz - - LOSS
redding - hamels - WIN
bergmann - moyer - WIN
hill - lohse - LOSS
Kendrick is mostely likely pitching thursday, it would be in place of eaton, and on a normal 5 day rest.
fixed
yeah...they never can beat hudson or smoltz
This season Hudson vs. Phils:
1 er, 7 ip, 4 bb, 5 k, 3-2 atl win
2 er, 8 ip, 1 bb, 1 k, 5-2 atl win
5 er, 6.2 ip, 3 bb, 3 k, 8-3 phi win
5 er, 5 ip, 2 bb, 4 k, 9-8 atl win (up 8-2 to down 9-8 game)
Smoltz:
3 er, 6 ip, 1 bb, 7 k, 5-3 atl win
thats it, and that was opening day.
phils could face jennifer hudson in the last week fo must win games and lose
btw one year ago today the phils were leading the wildcard race by a half game
yea but this year the games are at the little league park, where aaron rowand can hit little pop flys that carry over the magical wall in left
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 24, 2007, 01:57:55 PM
phils could face jennifer hudson in the last week fo must win games and lose
You have been saying that for weeks. And they went 8-2 on the road trip.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 20, 2007, 09:07:28 AM
oh they play great when they are seven games back...the problem is they cant get the job done when its gets to a game or two
They went 8-2 when it is a game or 2.
repeat: they were .5 games UP in the wild card this time last year
in general they have gagged for the last four years during wild card runs
please refrain from speaking on this subject again until the phillies are in the playoffs...on the flip side if that happens ill gladly eat my crow
8-2 hasn't been good enough. Choking. Dogs.
when youre in a race like this the only games that matter until you clinch (or get eliminated) are the games you havent played
if the phils gag and go 3-3 or 2-4 to finish the year will it have mattered that they went 8-2 in the previous ten
It would be nice to see the Phils gain 1/2 game on both of these fargtard teams tonight while getting some much needed rest, eh?
I just bought playoff tickets for NLDS Home Game 2.
See you at the series, bitches.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 24, 2007, 06:23:09 PM
I just bought playoff tickets for NLDS Home Game 2.
See you at the series, bitches.
Traveling up to Shea Stadium, eh?
Mets getting killed by the Nats.
:yay
10-3 Nats in the 8th. :yay
13-3 now, top of 9th
pads already up 1-0
game over, mets lose 13-4
san diego is down too :)
Good god the Mets suck.
this is going to be one crazy week. fasten seat belts.
9-4 Giants, 3 more outs to go :paranoid
Padres eat ass. Tied up with 6 to go.
uh-oh. someone is tied for the wild card lead.
one year ago today the phillies were 8-2 in their last ten games and tied for the wild card lead with la who was 5-5 in their last ten
today the phillies are 8-2 in their last ten and tied for the wild card lead with sd who are 6-4 in their last ten
will it be de ja vu all over again?
time for this team to prove its different
You already know the end though. So no need for you to watch.
sadly this is true
but the philllies could be 0-156 right now and id still watch
The Pads are likely done now that they've lost Mike Cameron and Milton Bradley for the year. Bradley was arguing with an ump and as his manager was restraining him their feet got tangled and Bradley tore his acl.
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i love Sarge too much to do that too him, but i'm glad you did it
you of all people should know that sometimes we must scold our children even tho we love them
yeah, but you usually let the ones with down syndrome do their thing without repercussion
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 24, 2007, 06:14:30 PM
It would be nice to see the Phils gain 1/2 game on both of these fargtard teams tonight while getting some much needed rest, eh?
:yay
What the hell is going on here? Is this really the Bums' year?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 25, 2007, 08:54:38 AM
What the hell is going on here? Is this really the Bums' year?
Hahaha. 'The Phillies Year' to (maybe) barely squeak into the playoffs and watch their pitchers get absolutely shelled in the first round.
Was this posted yet?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070925_Watch_this_baby_go__Gillick_says_next_years_his_last.html
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 25, 2007, 09:23:08 AM
Was this posted yet?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070925_Watch_this_baby_go__Gillick_says_next_years_his_last.html
Sweet. Ruben Amaro, Jr. aka Ed Wade, Jr. will lead the team to glory.
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 25, 2007, 08:54:38 AM
What the hell is going on here? Is this really the Bums' year?
youre thinking of next year
Quote from: rjs246 on September 25, 2007, 09:21:09 AM
Hahaha. 'The Phillies Year' to (maybe) barely squeak into the playoffs and watch their pitchers get absolutely shelled in the first round.
getting in is the hard part...if they can get in, i like their chances to out hit anyone.
i agree...not choking away the wild card is their biggest barrier...i like their chances as much as anyones if they get in
They lost 5 of 6 to Arizona this year but could still take 'em out. Arizona has been extremely lucky all season....
Gotta get through Atlanta first though.
Amaro knows he has the Phillies job so there's no way he accepts that abortion in shteintsburgh.
And on a bright note, this should the be the last time Wes Helms starts a regular season game for the Phillies. Good riddance, you piece of shtein.
rotation changes:
THU vs Atlanta = Kendrick
FRI vs Washington = Hamels
SAT vs Washington = Eaton
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 25, 2007, 05:19:20 PM
rotation changes:
THU vs Atlanta = Kendrick
FRI vs Washington = Hamels
SAT vs Washington = Eaton
That will eventually be Moyer by the end of the week so that on sunday...everyone is available.
this is a swell start.
I hate Bucknor. Moyer throws strike 3 right down the middle--literally--to Teixeria, and he calls it a ball, and the next pitch is a HR.
farging mets down 4-0 already.
they are rightly delaying eaton as long as possible so that the chances are higher that his game is less important
Why does it seem like every time the Phillies play the Braves, tbs never shows the game but whenever the Braves are playing anyone else, the game is on. bastiches.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 25, 2007, 07:59:11 PM
Why does it seem like every time the Phillies play the Braves, tbs never shows the game but whenever the Braves are playing anyone else, the game is on. bastiches.
espn tomorrow. i noticed the same thing. huge series and they're showing old reruns of The King of Queens.
Next year the Braves won't be on TBS at all
watch james' reaction!
4-4...new ballgame
Mets down 6-2 ;D
Phils take a 5-4 lead.
But the Braves have Franconeur (or whatever the heck his name is) on second with a leadoff double.
They may be staying with Moyer one inning too long.
Phils blow the lead just as quick as they take it.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 25, 2007, 08:52:39 PM
Phils take a 5-4 lead.
But the Braves have Franconeur (or whatever the heck his name is) on second with a leadoff double.
They may be staying with Moyer one inning too long.
So much for that. Rowand had him at home with a good throw. :boom
Welcome back gas can.
a year ago tommorow the phils were 1 game back of the wc so a loss tonights follows their same MO...the question is is there any teams in the nl that can win...i suspect colorado will and we will have a three way tie for the wild card tomorrow...at least this loss will wrap my 20 bucks up from sun
i wanted moyer out after the 5th and geary in, but i guess it wouldnt have made a difference.
farg this team i hate them.
WTF! i go to pick up junior from school and we're up 5-4. Walk in and it's 8-5! shtein.
farg this team. I hate them.
Phils lose tonight, and it could easily be a Braves sweep. Hudson and Smoltz - no Phil short of Hamels would match up.
Have to get the win tonight, but it's not looking good. :boom
haha it was too good to be true
thanks Flash
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 25, 2007, 09:33:05 PM
Phils lose tonight, and it could easily be a Braves sweep. Hudson and Smoltz - no Phil short of Hamels would match up.
pretty good chance id say...at least get the brooms ready
gonna let ruiz bat here, that makes sense.
bums
(http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/studio/7810/CHOKE.JPG)
farging bums
they'll win 2 more games this season
and so it begins. this is predictable and fun. yet, it costs me pain. i wish i knew how to quit you.
in good news
in my fantasy baseball finals my team is the anti phillies
turned a weekend 13-1 drubbing into a 9-6 lead as of right now
well obviously they cant lose anymore. but they will. tomorrow. this probably plays out like 04, where theyll win the last 4 but fall 1 game short.
They can go 4-1 the rest of the way and get at least a play in game I think.
Will they go 4-1? Doubt it.
Phillies lose
D'Backs lose
Mets lose
Padres losing
Rockies winning
FUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Rockies sneak in and take it all, beating the Red Sox in Game 7 in front of 30,000+ Bostonians all simultaneously slashing their wrists.
I dared to hope when the Phils went ahead 5-4, but they soon blasted that to pieces.
No doubt they lose tomorrow and Thursday. May have been better to just play the damn games and not have the day off.
Probably didn't matter, though.
Dodgers tie it 2-2
(U(_*(@#$!(_@(_#*@(_
Padres down to their final strike again and Giles hits a 3-run HR.....6-4 :boom
I knew it. Phillies did it to themselves, quit beefin.
Gag City.
(http://www.ehow.com/images/ehows/steps/consciouschokingadultstep1_L.jpg)
the inky today talked about exactly why ive been trying to tell everyone that this year is no different despite everyone thinking it is....
The Phillies have been in this spot three times in the previous four seasons. They have been unable to close the deal each time.
They led the NL wild-card race with eight games to play in 2003 but finished 1-7 to wind up far behind the Florida Marlins. They shared the wild-card lead with 16 games to play in 2005 but ended up one game behind the Houston Astros despite a 10-6 finish. They shared the wild-card lead with six games to play last season but went 3-3 to finish three games behind the Los Angeles Dodgers.
And?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 26, 2007, 09:10:00 AM
the inky today talked about exactly why ive been trying to tell everyone that this year is no different despite everyone thinking it is....
No one thinks it is. We hope it is.
Yet you keep saying this like you're kreskin or something.
wrong chief
Quotethis year is no different despite everyone thinking it is
you weren't saying that in 2004 with the Eagles
It's miracle in itself that this team is still in the race with the pitching staff they have. Still, it's fun to see them choke every year.
tonight's chokejob/win is on ESPN
I'm listening to Harry and Wheels. I avoid ESPN when I can, and want a good dash of homerism. Even when they're showing other teams, much too large a percentage of the broadcast is devoted to the Yanks and Sawx.
And, since Harry's days are dwindling every season, I want to hear him when I can.
Myers looked great in the 9th. Lets go nats.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 26, 2007, 09:43:08 PM
Myers looked great in the 9th. Lets go nats.
Just turned it over after the game ended (gotta love DirecTV). Hoyda LoDuca is currently up.
Watched the last 2 innings in the TGI Fridays bar with a bunch of shady businessmen. Go team.
Nats finish off the Mets 9-6. Phils now one game back.
Padred are up 2-1 in the 2nd.
Padres and Rockies not really helping here.
I caught the last three innings of the Rockies/Dodgers game last night. Damm Colorado is good. If they don't make it this year watch out next year. with the young talent this team has they could own the NL for the next couple of years.
Milwaukee is 2 games behind Chicago heading into the final 4-game series with San Diego, so they'll be motivated to win 3 out of 4 or sweep, which is good news for us....
San Diego will be equally motivated though.
Nice win for the bums tonight. Loshe pitched a damn good game. Take that and add in a Mets loss plus Wags sucking ass in the 9th and it's been a pretty good day.
1 game back. :paranoid
Figure Phils gotta at least get to a 1 game playoff if they win out. They way the Mets are playing, Colorado/Arizona series, Padres with 4 games in Milwaukee....they've all got to lose at least a few games.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2007, 12:38:40 AM
Figure Phils gotta at least get to a 1 game playoff if they win out. They way the Mets are playing, Colorado/Arizona series, Padres with 4 games in Milwaukee....they've all got to lose at least a few games.
not leaving the house this weekend. holy shtein! could you ask for anything better? ok, birds kick the shtein out of the gmen but other than that?
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2007, 12:38:40 AM
Figure Phils gotta at least get to a 1 game playoff if they win out. They way the Mets are playing, Colorado/Arizona series, Padres with 4 games in Milwaukee....they've all got to lose at least a few games.
Do you really believe that the Phils will win out?
Rosenthal picks Rollins as MVP... for now. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7266334?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49)
Here's his top 10:
1. Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
2. Prince Fielder, Brewers
3. Matt Holliday, Rockies
4. David Wright, Mets
5. Chase Utley, Phillies
6. Chipper Jones, Braves
7. Ryan Howard, Phillies
8. Jake Peavy, Padres
9. Todd Helton, Rockies
10. Miguel Cabrera, Marlins
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2007, 06:08:43 AM
Rosenthal picks Rollins as MVP... for now. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7266334?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49)
Here's his top 10:
1. Jimmy Rollins, Phillies
2. Prince Fielder, Brewers
3. Matt Holliday, Rockies
4. David Wright, Mets
5. Chase Utley, Phillies
6. Chipper Jones, Braves
7. Ryan Howard, Phillies
8. Jake Peavy, Padres
9. Todd Helton, Rockies
10. Miguel Cabrera, Marlins
3 Phils in the top 10. wow.
Homer alert
And I love Howard but he shouldn't get MVP consideration.
I'd love to see Rollins get it but the most worthy candidate is Prince Fielder.
the david wright mvp talk is sickening...hes had a very good year but nowhere close to the other top guys....and hes hit into 17 double plays in the last week for a team thats folding like an accordian
The Wright for MVP talk has really faded the past few weeks. I think Rollins has a good chance based on the fact that Philly and the local media is pushing for him whearas Fielder is just kind of there.
I can't believe that the Rockies have won 10 straight games. I mean, they were done a week ago. DONE. And now they're tied with the Phillies. And hell, the Phillies haven't even played badly either. They've gone 7-3 in the last ten, which for this group, is almost as shocking.
As far as the MVP talk goes, I couldn't care less if I tried. It's a meaningless award that was created to perpetuate interest in the game after the World Series concluded. The fact that players win the award from teams that didn't even make the playoffs is indicative of how big a sham the award is.
I just want the Phillies to finally get over the hump. That's all I give a farg about now.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2007, 09:33:07 AM
As far as the MVP talk goes, I couldn't care less if I tried. It's a meaningless award that was created to perpetuate interest in the game after the World Series concluded. The fact that players win the award from teams that didn't even make the playoffs is indicative of how big a sham the award is.
I just want the Phillies to finally get over the hump. That's all I give a farg about now.
Rollins never takes a night off and has been here over the years through thick and thin, plus he did put himself out there in the beginning of the season. If the bums do make the playoffs I think him winning the MVP - despite what they do in the playoffs - would be great for the city.
(http://media.philly.com/images/0926_pcomstandings_1am.jpg)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2007, 09:33:07 AM
It's a meaningless award that was created to perpetuate interest in the game after the World Series concluded.
what on gods earth are you talking about....baseball stats and awards are the most sacred in all of sports...the reason the mvp garners so much interest is because its a big friggin deal to people
steroids is such a monster deal in baseball vs other sports is because of the records
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2007, 05:30:52 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2007, 12:38:40 AM
Figure Phils gotta at least get to a 1 game playoff if they win out. They way the Mets are playing, Colorado/Arizona series, Padres with 4 games in Milwaukee....they've all got to lose at least a few games.
Do you really believe that the Phils will win out?
If they can win tonight, yea, they should be able to run through the Nationals. The tough part is tonight, especially considering I'm probably going to the game and the Phils are 0-3 or 0-4 at games I've been to this year.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 27, 2007, 09:37:34 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2007, 09:33:07 AM
As far as the MVP talk goes, I couldn't care less if I tried. It's a meaningless award that was created to perpetuate interest in the game after the World Series concluded. The fact that players win the award from teams that didn't even make the playoffs is indicative of how big a sham the award is.
I just want the Phillies to finally get over the hump. That's all I give a farg about now.
Rollins never takes a night off and has been here over the years through thick and thin, plus he did put himself out there in the beginning of the season. If the bums do make the playoffs I think him winning the MVP - despite what they do in the playoffs - would be great for the city.
(http://media.philly.com/images/0926_pcomstandings_1am.jpg)
You make it sound like the city is a kid dying of cancer, and his one wish is to see Jimmy win the MVP.
No one would care after about 12 hours.
Edit: No one would care after 12 hours except BigEd76
wrong
it would be huge...as big as choke dog last year....probably bigger because jimmy is more beloved and hes a little guy...lets just hope he lays off the banquet buffets a little better than the dog did last winter
back to back mvps = :o
You're adorable when try so hard to be a contrarian.
im agreeing with sd...hes right on point...is that being a contrarian or just disagreeing with you
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2007, 09:44:32 AMbaseball stats and awards are the most sacred in all of sports
except the early 90s when they gave Rookie of the Year to hall-of-famers Bob Hamelin and Pat Listach. I think it caused the baseball lockout.
Brandon Webb was scratched from today's start in Pittsburgh because there might be rain delays. He'll pitch tomorrow at Colorado instead. :yay
This is all that counts:
(http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/01013/images/World_Series_trophy.jpeg)
Anything else is fluff.
How can you hate this guy? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU3FKtTG7pQ)
what a effin nerd...as long as that guy has a job with the team them winning will never make me as happy as it should
Stop pretending that you're still in high school and it's cool to hate nerds. Nerds rule.
i was a nerd in high school
Deep-seeded psychological problems?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2007, 03:33:38 PM
i was a nerd in high school
igy = (http://cdn.channel.aol.com/aolr/steve-urkel-family-matters-400a111306.jpg)
holy shtein, PSN, I was going to post an Erckel picture. LOL
PS...not sure if this was already posted, but Manuel said that Loshe is available for Saturday.
thats so wrong....i was way more down than that
(http://cdn.channel.aol.com/aolr/fresh-prince-carlton-banks-400a111306.jpg)
IGY went to the doctor's office one day and said that he couldn't stop singing "Green, Green Grass of Home."
The Dr looked at IGY and made a pin point diagnosis. "You've got Tom Jones Syndrome."
"Is it rare?"
"It's not unusual."
i hope a safe falls on your head when you walk outside
Rollins
Vic
Utley
Howard
Rowand
Burrell
Dobbs
Ruiz
Kendrick
IGY's gonna lose another $20 tonight
Hopefully Victorino can play against LHP. Werth has been sucking against them lately.
more coin flip tiebreakers added today for the Mets and Diamondbacks. If the Phils end up tied with Arizona for the wildcard, the DBacks have to fly here for the 1-game playoff...
Pujols in the lineup for the Cardinals.
4-0 farg you smoltz :-D
mets made an error already in the top of the 1st
1-0 cards
if the phils win tonight same bet on the nats series sun?
sure
4-0 after 1. Braves look like they could give two shteins now that they are out of it. Pile it on you bums.
Smoltz looks like he's packed it in out there
It be great if this game is [theoretically] over by 9:00 so I can watch The Office.....
Pujols with a RBI double
2-0 cards
Ludwick with a rbi single
3-0 cards
Quote from: SunMo on September 27, 2007, 07:48:33 PM
Pujols with a RBI double
2-0 cards
Harry just said 3-0 Cards.
This team is setting me up. Things are looking too good for them right now.
I'm waiting for the dagger to be thrust into my heart.
Trish just jacked one to make it 6-0!
ha...farg you Smoltz, this ballpark just bit yo ass
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2007, 07:53:26 PM
Trish just jacked one to make it 6-0!
That put Burrell into 5th place on the all-time Phils HR list with 218.
Quote from: SunMo on September 27, 2007, 07:53:32 PM
ha...farg you Smoltz, this ballpark just bit yo ass
They were showing that Phils all-time HR list, and it made me wonder how many homers Schmidt would have hit if he had played at CBP.
Burrell with a little pop up HR. Go team.
he probably hit that ball 360 feet, it was just sky high. i don't think it was as cheap as many can be there.
Kyle Kendrick sucks at teh bunting.
he should probably realize that smoltz is just going to throw him low sliders and take a pitch
I didn't think it was actually possible to strike out while attempting to bunt unless you bunt foul with 2 strikes. Seriously, I didn't think any one would actually try to "swing" when bunting. Especially when the ball's out of the strike zone.
calm down
6-0 mid 5
3-0 top 5
yes sir.
Uncle Milty
The White Ryan Howard holds the K record no more.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 27, 2007, 08:18:14 PM
Uncle Milty
I was trying to figure out what the hell kept flying across the screen while they were talking to him. I'm glad he cleared that up for me.
The last 6 batters have struck out and I believe 11 total for the game. It's feast or famine inning by inning.
god that park makes me so mad
time for Charlie to panic
TEX!!!
Never gonna be easy is it.
ha! I'm watching the game on mlb.com and about 5 seconds before Jones hit his hr the box score put 2 runs up for Atlanta so I kind of knew what was coming.
I remember when they were building it, how the Phils said it was going to be a "fair" park that wasn't going to be to the advantage of either the hitters or the pitchers.
I imagine that Ryan Howard, Chipper Jones and Mark Teixeira all think that CBP is quite fair.
6-3 now. No lead is safe.
I remember when they were building it, how the Phils said it was going to be a "fair" park that wasn't going to be to the advantage of either the hitters or the pitchers.
like most things the phillies talk about they lie
if Kendrick's batting spot doesn't come up, or comes up with non one on they need to let him start the 7th
kendrick done with flash warming. big boys to hold em for 9 outs, since the mets are toast, gotta win.
it's infuriating that charlie continues to use farging Pete Laforest in a divisional race
Knocking Manuel is so August.
but sucking his balls never goes out of style
Gordon seems to either miss the plate or put it right down broadway.
He's going to eventually kill this team.
I've got a real bad feeling right now.
Edit: Whew! :-X
i have a bad feeling about this
Out of the inning. Fire Manuel now.
I almost shart my shorts there.
Only almost for you, eh?
That camera work on Kendrick reminds me of my school's morning news. Run by 8th graders.
props to charlie for actually switching it up and using Gordon in the 7th so he has Romero in the 8th for chipper and tex
kelly johnson is farging butcher
Kelley Johnson is playing 2B like I do.
Now steal second!
Quote from: SunMo on September 27, 2007, 09:01:59 PM
props to charlie for actually switching it up and using Gordon in the 7th so he has Romero in the 8th for chipper and tex
how sad is it when you have to congratulate him for an elementary move like that
well i know, but i didn't want to seem like Ned Negative
peter positive would refer to ned negative as ricky reality
haha
they can't show that Mets fan enough
what a friggin douchebag...hes such a huge mets fan that hes at the phillies game
i hope he gets raped in the parking lot
farging dummy wheels doesn't know what inning it is
possible five way tie in the nl
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070927&content_id=2234241&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Here we go.
farging utley..
ugh
terrible throw...and Howard could've put a little more effort in to catching the thing
double play!
nice
noice!
hopefully Utley didn't Steve Sax himself with that throw
Quote from: SunMo on September 27, 2007, 09:12:30 PM
terrible throw...and Howard could've put a little more effort in to catching the thing
yeah Howard looked like he showed no effort.
have i ever said how much i hate chris wheeler
division or bust. the pads are up 5-1 and I don't think the rockies will ever lose another game. ever.
Romero is the greatest street free agent pickup in the pitiful history of the Phillies. I mean, he has been farging unreal.
the mets are on their way to being cg-soed by joel farging pineiro. no worries, friends.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2007, 09:17:41 PM
Romero is the greatest street free agent pickup in the pitiful history of the Phillies. I mean, he has been farging unreal.
it will be awesome when he strikes out Big Papi to win the Series
after that 3-2 pitch to texiera
boy that was some kind of pitch
a slider or a cutter that REALLY jammed him
ill tell you what...what a pitch!
*replay shows a hanging curve out over the plate that texiera should have hit to mayfair*
oh no it was a curveball that jammed him....what a pitch!
That completely random Utley error reminded me of Biggio-vs-Wagner....impending doom
that's the beauty of wheels, he doesn't let obvious video evidence get in the way of his genius points
LaRussa took Pineiro out...i can just see Isringhausen farging this up
Quote from: SunMo on September 27, 2007, 09:22:10 PM
that's the beauty of wheels, he doesn't let obvious video evidence get in the way of his genius points
:-D
going to the bottom of the 9th in the Mets game, top of the lineup due up
i got the mets game on....wacthing them lose is much better than watching the phillies win...man is there gonna be some righteous booing tonight
it also helps that you have a Mets fan in your house
Bourn is a fast motherfarger.
PS: Duh.
reyes ground out
It "poofed" a little bit out there. Whatever the hell that means.
Castillo the same
castillo ground out
the faces on the met fans is priceless
for those with the mlb package i suggest you watch the last out
yes...game over!
Wright flied out. Mets lose.
yeah...throw the free swinger a fast ball...good job tough guy....farging moron
wtf is wifebeater doing??
Unreal. :-D
harry says "all of a sudden its a 6-4 game"...of course it was all of a sudden you old bat it was 6-3 and one pitch later it was 6-4
way to let the air out of the ballon you dumb shtein meyers.
i guess this icehole forgot that his curveball is his best pitch
farging meyers.
Why can't it ever be easy??
I have a bad feeling again.
:boom
wow
Nunez!
meyers got so lucky.
!!
farging a!
Holy shtein.
Struck him out. Tied for the NL east, and if it stays this way the Mets will be coming to Philadelphia for the tiebreaker.
Unfargingreal.
What a great play by Nunez
now let's farg up the nats.
its times like this why i always say i could never pick one of the cities teams as my favorite...no way do i like the eagles more than the phillies or the phillies more than the sixers ect...
like the cuz always says four for four baby
Mets fan had his towel over his face after the game ended and was getting it from everyone. Priceless.
They'll choke it all away but this is awesome.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2007, 09:44:44 PM
its times like this why i always say i could never pick one of the cities teams as my favorite...no way do i like the eagles more than the phillies or the phillies more than the sixers ect...
like the cuz always says four for four baby
Eagles and Phillies are dead even for me. Followed by:
Sixers
Soul
Kixx
Aids
Flyers
two for two doesnt count
its all about 4 4 4
Did anyone else's MLB.TV freeze just as Myers delivered the ball? I swear to God, mine did. I almost smashed my monitor with my fist.
Since the Mets are shot, I kind of want the Padres to keep winning. We'd play them in the first round and the Mets would be out of the playoffs totally.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2007, 09:51:30 PM
Did anyone else's MLVB.TV freeze just as Myers delivered the ball? I swear to God, mine did. I almost smashed my monitor with my fist.
Sort of.....I got a message pop up during the commercial break in the middle of the 9th that said IE experienced an error and had to close. So I hit the close button but it didn't close and kept playing. My browser basically froze up so I couldn't do anything in any other windows I had open but the game kept broadcasting. So I just left it be and waited until the game was over before shutting down IE and opening it again.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2007, 09:53:13 PM
Since the Mets are shot, I kind of want the Padres to keep winning. We'd play them in the first round and the Mets would be out of the playoffs totally.
Plus it would keep Colorado out and with the way they're playing, I'd want nothing to do with them in the playoffs.
(http://media.philly.com/images/0927_phils_phaith.jpg)
Hollaz.
I enjoyed Moyers Lawyers last night.
Padres still winning, but whatever. The Mets are a farging joke.
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watch the final out celebration on CSN. In the background you can see the Phanatic pass out behind home plate. :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2007, 09:57:21 PM
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Hollaz.
i saw that last night and i thought it said phatty.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 27, 2007, 08:05:14 PM
Kyle Kendrick sucks at teh bunting.
as long he doesn't suck at teh pitching :)
Quote"Burrell's ball isn't a home run," Smoltz said. "But that's just what this park can do for you. You get the ball in the air and you can get lucky. Obviously, they feast off it.
What a baby.
Instead of pissing and moaning about the ballpark maybe Smoltz should be worrying about securing tee times for next weekend because his farging season is over. O-V-E-R.
Suck on that, you whiny funhole.
The Phillies magic number?
4.
i agree with smoltz about the park but larrys homer was just as bogus as burrells...why doesnt he say something about that
Here's a useful link for Smoltz:
http://www.atlantacountryclub.org/index.cfm?menu=4277&openitem=4277 (http://www.atlantacountryclub.org/index.cfm?menu=4277&openitem=4277)
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2007, 06:35:04 AM
i agree with smoltz about the park but larrys homer was just as bogus as burrells...why doesnt he say something about that
I was going to bring up the same point. Wheels yabbed the first few innings how Smoltz doesn't shut up about pitching at CBP.
Smoltz needs to stfu.
The first 4 runs had nothing to do with the park. His error-filled team, perhaps, but not the ballpark.
Quote from: mcnabbmvp on September 27, 2007, 11:57:35 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 27, 2007, 08:05:14 PM
Kyle Kendrick sucks at teh bunting.
as long he doesn't suck at teh pitching :)
For the most part, I agree. Although I don't think there's any reason for a pitcher not to be able to at least make some sort of contact when bunting.
Kendrick was ok last night, imo. He was working the corners really well but he left quite a few pitches up and in the middle of the plate. I think he left a couple out there for Teixeira and A. Jones that they both flied out on, but imo it wasn't because they were great pitches but rather 2 damn good hitters not quite catching enough of the ball. And in the ab when Chipper hit his hr I thought Kendrick could have fooled him by coming back inside on the hr pitch after painting the outside with his previous 4 or 5 pitches.
But still, a pretty solid performance by him considering that he is just a rookie and last night was the biggest game of the year so far. He seemed calm, cool and in control of himself the entire night and didn't fold under the pressure. To me, that may be the most important part.
Kendrick is the first rookie pitcher to win 10 games for the Phils since 1991.
Jimmy Rollins needs 2 more at bats to set the single season MLB record (705 by Willie Wilson for KC in 1980.)
The Phillies were 11-14 in April (and had to go 7-3 in their last 10 games of the month just to get there). If this team just learned how to play .500 ball to start the season they'd hold a 2 game lead right now. But games in April don't count.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 28, 2007, 09:01:06 AM
Kendrick is the first rookie pitcher to win 10 games for the Phils since 1991.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Pat-Combs.jpg)
OMGPATCOMBZZZZZZZZZZ!
The Phillies also tied the MLB record for the latest point in a season to tie or take first place for the first time in the season (159 games, 2006 Twins)
and Smoltz can shut the F up. He's just bitter because he hasn't beaten the Phillies in over 2 years. The Phils are almost evenly split in terms of run scoring for home and road, and he forgets that our pitchers have to deal with the same conditions he does. Whiner. Enjoy the extra golf...
ok now im gonna beg
PLEASE stop saying our and we...it taints the whole fanbase (of which im a part of) when even one fan goes in that direction
just block it out
its like tuning out wheels...impossible...except when i use my mute button on the computer...which i do about 80% of the games that they have phils announcers
havas' little anti-phillies rants over the course of the season are boiling back in his burgundy and gold face. he ain't too happy.
actually they served me beautifully...not once was i fuming mad or disappointed over a loss...not one time...wheras last year i was besides myself right about now
even now if they dont make it its no biggie to me...the three met sweeps along with the met collapse has been like having 5 world series to me...im playing with house money and just enjoying the ride now...doesnt matter what happens
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 3 games left ::)
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2007, 12:39:39 PM
even now if they dont make it its no biggie to me...
Either you're completely full of shtein or you simply enjoy contradicting yourself in here to get everyone's fur flying.
Either way, please stop with the false bullshtein. You care. You care a lot. So stop stop it, already.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2007, 12:39:39 PM
actually they served me beautifully...not once was i fuming mad or disappointed over a loss...not one time...wheras last year i was besides myself right about now
even now if they dont make it its no biggie to me...the three met sweeps along with the met collapse has been like having 5 world series to me...im playing with house money and just enjoying the ride now...doesnt matter what happens
That's true passion right there, son. :yay
I was going over some of the predictions on Page 1 of this thread and some of them were dead-on.
The spookiest was Wingspan's comment that only two starters will remain from the opening day rotation. :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 28, 2007, 01:08:51 PM
I was going over some of the predictions on Page 1 of this thread and some of them were dead-on.
The spookiest was Wingspan's comment that only two starters will remain from the opening day rotation. :-D
However, in me making that comment, I was thinking that the 2 that are left would have been the first two down and out.
Hahaha - Kevin Kernan's latest blog entry is hilarious:
QuoteSeptember 28, 2007
MEMO TO ME:
Memo to me: Was I ever wrong about the NL East and the Mets and the Phighting Phils.
In August I wrapped up the NL East in a nice little package for the Mets and said the race was unofficially over. I wrote these words:
Memo to Jimmy Rollins: The Best Team Won.
Here we are three days to go in the regular season and the race is just beginning.
The Phillies have overcome numerous injuries and no matter what happens these final three days, they have shown the hearts of champions and for that they should be congratulated.
The Mets have collapsed – perhaps the greaTest collapse in baseball history considering the teams that they've lost to down the stretch, and if you are going to be wrong, I can live with the fact that it took a colossal collapse to be wrong – while the Phillies have shown incredible heart and fortitude, led by Jimmy Rollins.
It was Rollins who said the Phils were the team to beat in the NL East over the winter. He was right. I was wrong. I've always loved Rollins approach to the game – he is Philadelphia's Derek Jeter – and he is putting up MVP numbers.
To me, Rollins is the NL MVP. His defense is remarkable and his hitting is Captain Clutch. And his words fired up his teammates. He led by example in so many ways.
The Phillies have once again shown why baseball is the greatest game. It's not over til it's over. Once again that lesson was driven home – to me and everyone else in New York and especially to those in the Mets clubhouse.
Over the winter, it turns out, the Phillies were the team to beat in the NL East.
And with three days left in the season, they are still the team to beat in the NL East. Rollins was right. I was wrong. The Phillies are what being a winning team is all about.
Posted by Kevin Kernan on September 28, 2007 10:50 AM
After all the shtein he wrote back in August he's going to come back and write that load of bullshtein?
Please. :-D
This dude's email box was full of hate mail from Philly fans. farg him and his choking dog team.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 28, 2007, 02:21:14 PM
Hahaha - Kevin Kernan's latest blog entry is hilarious:
QuoteAnd with three days left in the season, they are still the team to beat in the NL East. Rollins was right. I was wrong. The Phillies are what being a winning team is all about.
Yes. When I think winning baseballl. I think Phillies.
haha
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 28, 2007, 02:39:00 PM
Yes. When I think winning baseballl. I think Phillies.
lol
Don Ho catches a break....the Phils/Nats game tomorrow won't be shown west of the Mississippi except for Hawaii
For some reason Buffalo is getting Cubs/Reds instead; otherwise the rest of New York gets the game.
Florida is split among the 3 games. Jacksonville/Tallahassee/Miami/West Palm Beach/Panama City gets the Phils game, Tampa/Orlando/Gainesville gets the Cubs game, and Fort Myers gets the Padres/Brewers game...
Soooo....Loshe is pitching tomorrow, right?
Any way we can sit Moyer too?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2007, 05:39:04 PM
Soooo....Loshe is pitching tomorrow, right?
Any way we can sit Moyer too?
You need to save lohse or kendrick for monday...potentially.
If they can get a game lead by end of games tomorrow...I think you see Moyer on a very short leash with either Kendrick or Lohse in the pen
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 28, 2007, 05:25:17 PM
Don Ho catches a break....the Phils/Nats game tomorrow won't be shown west of the Mississippi except for Hawaii
For some reason Buffalo is getting Cubs/Reds instead; otherwise the rest of New York gets the game.
Florida is split among the 3 games. Jacksonville/Tallahassee/Miami/West Palm Beach/Panama City gets the Phils game, Tampa/Orlando/Gainesville gets the Cubs game, and Fort Myers gets the Padres/Brewers game...
:boom
WTF?
double play and mets down 2-0!!
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 28, 2007, 05:25:17 PM
Don Ho catches a break....the Phils/Nats game tomorrow won't be shown west of the Mississippi except for Hawaii
For some reason Buffalo is getting Cubs/Reds instead; otherwise the rest of New York gets the game.
Florida is split among the 3 games. Jacksonville/Tallahassee/Miami/West Palm Beach/Panama City gets the Phils game, Tampa/Orlando/Gainesville gets the Cubs game, and Fort Myers gets the Padres/Brewers game...
:boom
WTF?
i have dirty pictures of key executives at the local fox affiliate. i'm sure with a local boy, Victorino in a playoff hunt had something to do with it.
mets down, good but dammit let's just win this game.
shtein, the Nats are loaded with talent. Why does this team finish at the bottom the past few years?
Quote from: Don Ho on September 28, 2007, 07:42:08 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 28, 2007, 05:25:17 PM
Don Ho catches a break....the Phils/Nats game tomorrow won't be shown west of the Mississippi except for Hawaii
For some reason Buffalo is getting Cubs/Reds instead; otherwise the rest of New York gets the game.
Florida is split among the 3 games. Jacksonville/Tallahassee/Miami/West Palm Beach/Panama City gets the Phils game, Tampa/Orlando/Gainesville gets the Cubs game, and Fort Myers gets the Padres/Brewers game...
:boom
WTF?
i have dirty pictures of key executives at the local fox affiliate. i'm sure with a local boy, Victorino in a playoff hunt had something to do with it.
Can I come over?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on September 28, 2007, 07:42:08 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 28, 2007, 05:25:17 PM
Don Ho catches a break....the Phils/Nats game tomorrow won't be shown west of the Mississippi except for Hawaii
For some reason Buffalo is getting Cubs/Reds instead; otherwise the rest of New York gets the game.
Florida is split among the 3 games. Jacksonville/Tallahassee/Miami/West Palm Beach/Panama City gets the Phils game, Tampa/Orlando/Gainesville gets the Cubs game, and Fort Myers gets the Padres/Brewers game...
:boom
WTF?
i have dirty pictures of key executives at the local fox affiliate. i'm sure with a local boy, Victorino in a playoff hunt had something to do with it.
Can I come over?
no worries. weekend is free as junior has a bye in football tomorrow and the birds play late Sunday afternoon HST. oh, and a small south swell expected!
marlins had bases loaded.. one out and cabrera struck out..
Quote from: bowzer on September 28, 2007, 08:03:20 PM
marlins had bases loaded.. one out and cabrera struck out..
Ross is hit by the pitch... 3-1!!
And now Jacobs is hit by a pitch 4-1.
Howard just had too much topspin on that one. He hit it hard.
I tell you, every once in a while, when I see Hamels pitch, I can close my eyes and see Steve Carlton.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 08:15:31 PM
I tell you, every once in a while, when I see Hamels pitch, I can close my eyes and see Steve Carlton.
i wore my Carlton blue jersey t-shirt camping this weekend. had to spread the good word,
Another strike out!
padres losing.
Hopefully Ruiz's hand is allright.
2nd and 3rd... 1 out for Jroll!
MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP!
And he comes through! MVP!
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Cabrera comes through! 6-3 Fish!
Utley with the double... Rollins scores... 3-0...
must be that full moon effecting these dropped balls
wheels all lathered up? disturbing.
Guess Ruiz' hand is OK... he managed to hang on to that foul tip (barely).
Hamels getting the pitch count up, but has been DOMINATING.
10 strikeouts in the last 12 batters.
HOly shtein, Hamels is good.
KKKKKKKKKK
Quote from: Don Ho on September 28, 2007, 08:40:55 PM
wheels all lathered up? disturbing.
I'm getting the Nats announcers on Extra Innings. Most annoying announcers in the NL.
Misty May's hubby homers to make it 7-3 Marlins.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 08:50:03 PM
Guess Ruiz' hand is OK... he managed to hang on to that foul tip (barely).
Hamels getting the pitch count up, but has been DOMINATING.
he looked dead when he hit the ground.
Nats announcers are making a huge deal about Bourn being brought in to pinch-run for Burrell.
Obviously, Sutton and the dweeb I cannot name haven't been watching Uncle Cholly all season.
I wonder how that Mets crowd is right about now?
Quote from: Don Ho on September 28, 2007, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 08:50:03 PM
Guess Ruiz' hand is OK... he managed to hang on to that foul tip (barely).
Hamels getting the pitch count up, but has been DOMINATING.
he looked dead when he hit the ground.
Yeah, I thought it was the head at first, but the replay clearly showed that it hit him in the hand.
Fortunately, it looked like it hit the meat part of the hand near the pinky, rather than at the top. Of course, that was a grainy video cap.
7-4 Fish
interesting decision to let Cole bat here...especially since he's coming up on his pitch count limit.
i'll be pissed if they let Cole bat and then pull him after 2 batters in the 7th
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2007, 09:02:15 PM
interesting decision to let Cole bat here...especially since he's coming up on his pitch count limit.
i'll be pissed if they let Cole bat and then pull him after 2 batters in the 7th
I was wondering if they'd let Hamels bat here. I'm actually kind of surprised they brought him up.
He'd better finish the 8th... unless he gets in trouble.
you mean 7th, right?
Ruiz breaks up the double play to let Bourn score. 4-0.
Nice hustle by Hamels, too. :yay
Hey Cole helped himself out a bit.
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2007, 09:05:03 PM
you mean 7th, right?
DAMMIT, he'd better finish the 8th, too.
If I see Tom Gordon coming out...
Yeah, 7th.
I have the sound off (Wheeler)....how many pitches for Cole?
He wasn't being given a pitch count tonight according to LA.....
I just want to know where Sarge is to break down that beautiful bunt Hamels laid down in that three-run inning.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2007, 09:08:44 PM
I have the sound off (Wheeler)....how many pitches for Cole?
He wasn't being given a pitch count tonight according to LA.....
95 or so
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2007, 09:08:44 PM
I have the sound off (Wheeler)....how many pitches for Cole?
He wasn't being given a pitch count tonight according to LA.....
I believe he's over 90 now.
farging fans are doing the wave...incredible
WOW! Great catch by Rowand.
holy shtein...he didn't have one more inch to give on that ball
Holy shtein, Rowand. :o
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2007, 09:11:11 PM
farging fans are doing the wave...incredible
Every damn one of them should be shot. Or be hog tied and raped by Chris Wheeler.
KING COLE!
Hamels up to 102 pitches. He's probably done.
Hell of an effort, though. :yay
couldn't ask for a better effort...its so huge when the starter can go 7...then you can use Gordon and Romero situationally in the 8th to get to Myers
Fish have bases loaded with 2 outs, Mike Jacobs is up
Utley hit.
again.
CHOKE DAWWWWWWWWWWGGGGGGG
Howitzer!
HOWARD!
Choke dog
Wait til that score pops up on the Shea scoreboard LOL
Pressure keeps building.
Fish just left the bases loaded. ::)
Rollins has now set the major league record for at-bats in a year with his 706th in the third inning.
The former record holder... Willie Wilson in 1980.
this makes no sense to me
Hamels is batting in the 8th? With 102 pitches?
If it was 1-0 or 2-0 I could see it. At 6-0, and just coming off the injury, I'd sit Hamels down at this point.
exaclty...or with the bases empty
but the bases were loaded, you had a chance to pile on runs...
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2007, 09:36:32 PM
exaclty...or with the bases empty
but the bases were loaded, you had a chance to pile on runs...
To tell you the truth, at 6-0, I would have pinch-hit in any situation.
This game is fairly comfortable (yes, I know it's still the Phils' bullpen), and Hamels is a huge part of the future as well as the present.
I know Cholly's going for the jugular, but with Hamels still just a couple of starts out of injury, I would imagine the Phils would want to me more careful.
He is still dealing, though.
Top 7, still 7-4 Marlins.
i would also try and get away with using condrey first...give the big 3 a day of rest if you can
Cole is the real deal period. HUGE Game from him
13 strikeouts...incredible
Hamels is disgusting
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2007, 09:42:38 PM
i would also try and get away with using condrey first...give the big 3 a day of rest if you can
Exactly. A big win and being able to give Flash, Romero and Wifebeater the night off would be huge.
And Hamels is incredible tonight. Just don't bring him out in the 9th, Cholly. Please.
he won't come out for the 9th...charlie turned into Peter Panic in the dugout, he was ready to yank him after that double
The King.. has returned..
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 09:44:51 PM
And Hamels is incredible tonight. Just don't bring him out in the 9th, Cholly. Please.
Perfect spot for Mesa to come in
farg it. I'm back. I've been watching the games and having arguements with my wife for last few weeks about how they were going to choke. This is a different team. Hamels is the next coming of Christ.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 28, 2007, 09:46:36 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 09:44:51 PM
And Hamels is incredible tonight. Just don't bring him out in the 9th, Cholly. Please.
Perfect spot for Mesa to come in
The only pitcher I want to see less than Joe Table is Ol' Six Fingers.
Quote from: PPinDC on September 28, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
farg it. I'm back. I've been watching the games and having arguements with my wife for last few weeks about how they were going to choke. This is a different team. Hamels is the next coming of Christ Carlton.
:yay
My college roommate, whose a Mets fan, just called me and told me he can't even hate on the Phillies for what they are doing.
i hope you told him to farg off nonetheless
Other scores of interest:
Padres and Brewers tied 3-3 in the top of the 5th.
D-Backs up 4-1 over Rockies, top 7.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on September 28, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
farg it. I'm back. I've been watching the games and having arguements with my wife for last few weeks about how they were going to choke. This is a different team. Hamels is the next coming of Christ Carlton.
:yay
When Cole Hamels takes a dump, it's Carlton who's doing the wiping and loving it. LOVING IT.
Nats announcer (not Sutton): Ryan Howard is a really nice guy, except when he's holding a bat.
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2007, 09:53:46 PM
i hope you told him to farg off nonetheless
Nah, but there's this obnoxious Mets fan from my college that I'll make sure to contact at some point. When we swept the Mets that first time in summer, I sent him a message. And he responded that he'd see me in October when the Mets were at the top of the division looking down at the Phillies... sorry buddy.
Padres just went up 4-3.
Mets have two on, one out in the bottom of the 7th, and Beltran is coming up to bat.
Hey, Sun and I are thinking like Uncle Cholly now.
We'd better get out heads examined.
the Padres are going to be a problem in the playoffs, but that's another worry for another day
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 10:00:00 PM
Hey, Sun and I are thinking like Uncle Cholly now.
We'd better get out heads examined.
wrong, uncle cholly is thinking like you and i...and it's about damn time
mets have 1st and 3rd, 1 out with Beltran up
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 09:59:14 PM
Mets have two on, one out in the bottom of the 7th, and Beltran is coming up to bat.
I turned back on the Mets broadcast to see a Beltran home run.
I was able to collect my testicles when I realized it was the replay of his earlier homer.
Beltran strikes out, two outs now.
If that HBP was Condrey trying to settle a score from hitting Ruiz, someone better smack him in the back of the head.
There's much more at stake than male ego, you moron. Get the outs.
Sutton on that last pop-up: "The winds' gonna hold that." :-D
i love when the upper deck throws their towels...that looks awesome
YES!
wow...the mets had a guy on 3rd with 1 out
Beltran Ks and then Alou does the same
The fish get out of the inning.
Alou struck out swinging to end the 7th. Still 7-4 Florida.
Think the Mets wouldn't rather be playing in front of 300 in Miami?
awesome to watch the game for once, it was on MASN. This team is really surprising, even better is watching the mets just implode.
Just switched it over to the Mets-Fish game.
Tommy Hutton (Marlins announcer) was talking about the atmosphere in Philly. You can hear it in his voice how much he would like to be there.
Marlins out in order in the 8th.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 10:13:18 PM
Tommy Hutton (Marlins announcer) was talking about the atmosphere in Philly. You can hear it in his voice how much he would like to be there.
Marlins out in order in the 8th.
That farger that fumbled the snap against Dallas?
Quote from: bowzer on September 28, 2007, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 28, 2007, 10:13:18 PM
Tommy Hutton (Marlins announcer) was talking about the atmosphere in Philly. You can hear it in his voice how much he would like to be there.
Marlins out in order in the 8th.
That farger that fumbled the snap against Dallas?
now that's a good one! :-D
i am honestly to scared to put the mets game on. i can't handle this shtein.
Marlins overcame a leadoff single by Carlos Delgado to retire the Mets. Still 7-4 going into the 9th.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 28, 2007, 10:20:49 PM
i am honestly to scared to put the mets game on. i can't handle this shtein.
Honestly, I enjoy listening to Tommy Hutton call a game.
Mets have Pissy Wagner in to preserve the three-run deficit in the 9th.
Marlins go in order. Mets coming up for their last chance.
Khalil Green just hit a 2 run shot to put he Pads up 6-3.
Gregg in for Marlins.
Reyes singles, Castillo forces him at 2nd.
Castillo on first, one out in the 9th.
mets down to their last out.
Wright grounds back to the pitcher, he takes the sure out at first. Two outs.
Beltran up.
It's tomb-like at Shea right now.
Beltran pops foul to Uggla. Marlins win 7-4.
PHILS IN FIRST!!!
Mets fans walking out like zombies.
Relax, no need to panic, there are still 2 games left ::)
Speaking of magic numbers... ;)
ok, now i am really, really, really nervous.
Eaton is listed as the probable starter on the Phils' website for tomorrow. :-X
They had him listed as the starter on the bottom scroll during the Pads/Brewers game on ESPN. I can't imagine him going tomorrow with so much on the line. Cholly could throw him out there on a short leash but then you're depleting your BP if he shteins the bed which we know he will. I'd almost rather see Durbin at this point.
Hoffman strikes out the side to save the Padres' 6-3 win.
Padres still one game up on the Phils.
Cubs are the Central Champs.
Brewers are eliminated.
Cholly said Loshe was available for tomorrow since he only threw 89 pitches the other night fyi
farg it...keep hamels warm in the locker room and have him toss another 8.
The only way the Phillies can be eliminated on Sunday: 2 losses + 2 Mets wins
If the Phils and Mets end up tied, they'll have a 1-game playoff at CBP on Monday for the division title
Depending on what happens with San Diego and Colorado, they could also have 1 or 2 more play-in games to determine a wildcard winner...
This is farging ridiculous. I had my buddies texting me updates on the ride up to Bumblefarg, NY. Jesus christ they might really do this.
Unbelievable!!
The fact that they might make the playoffs is good. But the fact that they are shteintin' all over the Mets to do it is even better.
Phils win the division on Sunday + Eagles tear the Jints a new icehole = NYC is Philadelphia's bitch.
According to ESPN, Mets play at 1, so by the time the Phils start at 4, they'll know if a win means that they'll clinch the division. We might not have to wait til Sunday...
I woke up this morning and threw on my nameless/numberless Phillies jersey and wore it to work because it's the first time in 2+ years I've been able to wear it and say that the Phils are in 1st place. I didn't catch the game tonight because it's (a) Friday and (b) Friday so I went out and got hammered....which I still am. Luckily, I'll be able to wake up tomorrow morning and still say the Phils are in 1st place.
Pharg the Mets!!!!!!
Jayson Stark (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3041667)
| Team | Wins | Losses | Pct. | GB |
| PHILLIES | 88 | 72 | .550 | - |
| Mets | 87 | 73 | .544 | 1.0 |
Who would have thought we'd see this on August 26th? I didn't, that's for sure.
The Phils have been proving me wrong this entire month. Their destiny is now in their hands.
Hopefully my local Fox affiliate wises up and realizes that the Cubs-Brewers race is over, and plays the @#(&@*&#@*& Phillies game.
And maybe next year Fox actually puts it's other games on Extra Innings, like the weekend NHL and NFL games.
(http://media.philly.com/images/0928_pcomstandings_final.jpg)
I had the following conversation with the ladyfriend last night.
"The Phillies are going to actually make the playoffs."
"Why are you telling me this?"
"I mean, this is kind of a huge deal."
"I don't want to hear this. You hate baseball."
"I may have to actually watch the playoffs. I mean, a Philly team could be competing for a championship."
*Glare.*
Long live sports.
there no room on the bandwagon for you
i finally got my 360 back last night after a month. In hooking it up i realized the Phils were on MASN so i could actually watch. Ended up watching Cole pitch his gem, it was worth every second. The atmostphere of the ballpark is absolutely insane.
QuoteThis never happens in Philly ... but it is
By Jayson Stark
ESPN.com
PHILADELPHIA -- In Philadelphia, life is not supposed to work like this.
In Philadelphia, it's the home team that's supposed to make its own seven-game lead disappear.
In Philadelphia, it's the home team that's supposed to forget how to win at all the wrong times.
So in Philadelphia, what they're witnessing now, as life on their sporting planet turns completely upside-down, is practically an out-of-city experience.
They know that miracles happen in sports. They have heard about them. They have read about them.
Except they always happen somewhere else. Everywhere else. Or that's how it has always seemed.
In Philadelphia, life is not supposed to work like this.
On Sept. 12, the Phillies were seven games out of first place. With 17 games to play. This isn't normally how teams set the stage for their happiest ending to a season in 14 years.
But 15 days later, that seven-game Mets lead was gone. Vanished. Defunct. In 15 days. How was that possible?
And that brings us to Friday night at shocking, rocking Citizens Bank Park. That brings us to the events that transpired on the glistening green field below and the suddenly friendly out-of-town scoreboard.
Phillies 6, Nationals 0.
Marlins 7, Mets 4.
Do the math. Check those standings. They don't seem real, but they are.
Somehow, when those scores were final, it was the Phillies who led the National League East by a game, with two games left to play.
Somehow, it was the Phillies who were on the verge of pulling off that miracle that was always the specialty of someone else's house.
Somehow, it was the Phillies who had a chance to become one of those teams that people talk about for years, for decades, for centuries.
"I know that," said closer Brett Myers on Friday. "And it gives me chills to think about it. I mean, not to sound like a wimp or anything, but just seeing the fans and the way the town is lighting up, it makes you tear up, man, I mean with happiness. It's just really cool to see this happen."
This was not what Philadelphia looked like, of course, back on April 20, when this team was 4-11, just 15 painful games into such a hopeful season. More specifically, this was not what Philadelphia sounded like back then.
A 4-11 record -- now THAT was a story they were familiar with. That was a story they knew exactly how to respond to. We bet we don't even need to spell that response out for you. Do we? Let's just say it rhymed with "blue." And "zoo."
Cole Hamels was absolutely dominant, striking out 13 batters in eight innings.
"You know what?" Myers said Friday, all these months later. "I understand. We started 4-11. We deserved to get booed. I've said it all year. It's a love-hate relationship with these people. They hate it when you do bad, but they love it when you do well. And I think this year, in this clubhouse, we understood it more. It wasn't that they were booing us because we were a bad team. They were booing us because they weren't happy with what the results were."
Those results could have buried this team, you know. That's the way it usually works. And not just in Philadelphia. That's the way it usually works everywhere.
In the 104 years since the invention of the World Series, only four teams have started a non-strike season 4-11 or worse and recovered to finish in first place -- the 1914 "Miracle" Braves, the 1951 Bobby Thomson Giants, the 1974 Pirates and the 2000 Giants.
But none of those teams had to do what this team had to do -- not just recover from 4-11, but recover from those all-but-impossible seven-out-with-17-to-play mathematics.
No team in history has ever been seven out with 17 to play and lived to tell about it in October. But one more Phillies win, one more Mets loss or two more of either finishes off that tale -- of the Mets' historic collapse, of the Phillies' historic reincarnation. Shockingly, it could be over by the time the sun sets Saturday.
Asked if his team smells that finish line now, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel replied: "Yeah. Of course we smell it. And we want it. Matter of fact, we might want it bad enough where we've got to take it easy, just relax and just play."
Hey, great plan. But how the heck does a team relax at a time like this?
The town is a giant thunderclap. The rally towels are lighting up the night. The throats are hoarse. The eyes are glazed. Something crazy is happening here -- something that has always happened to someone else. Not to this team. Not in this town.
Just 16 days earlier, this same Phillies team had gotten steamrolled by the Rockies, 12-0, in its home park. Up the turnpike, the Mets had just won for the ninth time in 11 games. The lead was seven. The future didn't exactly seem ripe for fairy tales.
Asked if he could have envisioned this same group being this close to October, barely more than two weeks later, shortstop Jimmy Rollins couldn't resist a laugh.
"Yeah," he said. "For the wild card."
Now, though, the wild card barely seems relevant anymore. Now all those insane tiebreaker scenarios barely seem relevant anymore. If the Phillies win the East, all that stuff is somebody else's problem.
Undoubtedly, much of America is going to view what's happened here as an epic suffocation by the Mets, not a miraculous resuscitation by the Phillies. But these are parallel story lines, each of them monumental on its own merits, each one dependent on the other.
Yeah, the Mets have lost 11 of 15. But the Phillies had to win 12 of 15 to make that matter.
Yeah, the Mets' pitching, defense and psyches have self-destructed. But the bigger story may be the way the Phillies' pieces have somehow magically morphed together -- even pieces that never seemed to fit all year.
All of a sudden, at almost exactly the same time that the Mets' bullpen was unraveling, a Phillies bullpen that lit bonfires for five months finally found a formula that worked -- J.C. Romero to Flash Gordon to Myers.
Half a season ago, Romero was in limbo after getting dumped by the Red Sox. And Gordon and Myers were hurting members of the all-M.I.A. team. So who could have foreseen them turning into the Phillies' version of Stanton-Nelson-Rivera at a time like this?
But here those three are, pitching just about every darned day in September. And of the 13 games this month where all three of them have stomped out of that bullpen, the Phillies have won 11 of them.
I know the past couple of years, we've come close. But -- and I mean no disrespect to the guys who used to play here -- it's just that now, as a unit, we're a better team. Our mentality, the way we go out there and attack the game, is: just have fun. ... Hey, I know there's pressure, man. But we just take it as, let's just go out there and have fun, and see what we can make of this.
--Phillies reliever Brett Myers
And 16 days earlier, there was no Cole Hamels around to serve as the legit No. 1 starter every team needs at times like this, either. At the time, Hamels had been out for three weeks with a sore elbow. And no one was too sure if he'd be back before 2008.
But there he was Friday night, in his third start back, practically toying with a Washington lineup that had just finished putting up 19 runs in three games at Shea Stadium.
Hamels gave up four hits to the first nine hitters he faced. Of the 21 hitters he pitched to after that, only seven even managed to put a ball in play. Thirteen of the other 14 whiffed.
"If he can keep going out there and pitching like that," said Myers, "there's not going to be anybody who's going to hit him."
Then again, the only way he can keep going out there, period, is if the Phillies tag a happy ending onto this incomprehensible script and find themselves in the playoffs for the first time since 1993.
And in Philadelphia, there is normally no reason to think that happy ending is right over the horizon, no matter how idyllic life may look at any given moment. But there's something about this group that doesn't feel like all those other Phillies teams, that doesn't play like all those other Phillies teams.
And maybe that's why this Phillies season might not end like all those other Phillies seasons.
"This is the best team I've been on. I know that," said Myers. "I know the past couple of years, we've come close. But -- and I mean no disrespect to the guys who used to play here -- it's just that now, as a unit, we're a better team. Our mentality, the way we go out there and attack the game, is: just have fun. There's no pressure. Nobody has to be a hero. We feel like you're going to be a hero if you go out and play relaxed.
"Hey, I know there's pressure, man. But we just take it as, let's just go out there and have fun, and see what we can make of this."
Huh? See what they can make of this? Heck, they can probably barely even comprehend what they have a chance to make of this.
They can make an indelible mark on baseball history, for one thing. But that's not all.
More important, at least for that town they play in, they can make a whole lot of ghosts disappear -- the ghosts of all those seasons that ended just the opposite of this one: The ghosts of 2003. And 2005. And 2006. And, especially, 1964.
In 1964, the Phillies were the team on the wrong end of the Greatest Collapse in History. Now, 43 years later, they could be just a win or two away from being the team on the right end of somebody else's Greatest Collapse in History.
In Philadelphia, life is not supposed to work like this. Everybody knows that. But apparently, this team never got that memo.
Good stuff by Myers.
I think the game is on here today on FOX. :yay
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 09:45:54 AM
there no room on the bandwagon for you
That's fine with me. I'll watch quietly. From afar. In shame.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2007, 10:17:42 AM
Good stuff by Myers.
I think the game is on here today on FOX. :yay
I have a mind to call and bitch to my local affiliate. bastiches.
The bar I work at was going absolutely crazy last night for both the Phils win and the Mets loss. I have never seen anything like it, except for an Eagles playoff game. I didn't realize how anxious people were for this team to succeed. I thought it was only us message board losers.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2007, 10:17:42 AM
Good stuff by Myers.
I think the game is on here today on FOX. :yay
I have a mind to call and bitch to my local affiliate. bastiches.
I did that once when I lived in Killeen...and it actually worked. Back in '02 when the Eagles played Jacksonville the Waco station was showing some shtein game. So I called and begged for the Eagles...they switched it. Shocking...
So... in case of a tie... would there be a one-game playoff? Or would the Phils win because they own the head-to-head record against the Mets?
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 29, 2007, 10:43:57 AM
So... in case of a tie... would there be a one-game playoff? Or would the Phils win because they own the head-to-head record against the Mets?
Playoff game at the Bank.
head to head record only comes into play if the wild card is involved
if only one team can make the playoffs then the one game scenario takes place
Then the Phillies must sweep the Nationals... and it shall be so. :evil
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 29, 2007, 10:57:25 AM
Then the Phillies must sweep the Nationals... and it shall be so. :evil
Why do they have to sweep?
If the Mets lose today and the Phils win...it won't matter what happens tomorrow.
with adam eaton pitching...by default a sweep is not possible
Are we sure he's pitching?
Where in the hell is MDS with the torrent or whatever the hell website I need to watch this game.
The local farged up Fox affiliate has the Cubs/Reds scheduled. I called them and some ignorant bitch told me that the station doesn't control what games they air but that Fox Sports does.
I farging hate this goddamn shteinhole. HATE. :boom
Hey boys I'm high atop Miche Stadium watching Temple/Army. Doubt I'll be able to watch the Phils, but since it's the game that means the most, I think Fox will make a last minute switch for most people. The Cubs game means nothing.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2007, 12:55:51 PM
Hey boys I'm high atop Miche Stadium watching Temple/Army. Doubt I'll be able to watch the Phils, but since it's the game that means the most, I think Fox will make a last minute switch for most people. The Cubs game means nothing.
MDS...MiniDaveSpadaro? Didn't he get his start covering Temple too?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 29, 2007, 12:22:28 PM
The local farged up Fox affiliate has the Cubs/Reds scheduled. I called them and some ignorant bitch told me that the station doesn't control what games they air but that Fox Sports does.
I farging hate this goddamn shteinhole. HATE. :boom
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 28, 2007, 05:25:17 PMJacksonville/Tallahassee/Miami/West Palm Beach/Panama City gets the Phils game
road trip
This is too much. I don't think the Phils could ever live this down if they don't hold onto this lead. The pressure is tremendous. Hopefully everyone stays hot because it doesn't look like the Mets are losing today.
The pressure is on the Mets. All of it.
So Eaton gets the start today with Lohse being 'on call'.
I think I am getting Pads/Brewers. >:(
Following on the net...
Goddamn Adam Eaton...farg that farging piece of shtein.
Why do I have a sick feeling in my stomach again?
Whew.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2007, 04:01:26 PM
Following on the net...
Goddamn Adam Eaton...farg that farging piece of shtein.
Yeah, I'm watching it in HD.
Eaton sucks in any definition. Poor pitch selection. Poor pitch execution.
Oh, and it might be off-topic, but Anthony Morelli is awful.
WHY THE HELL IS EATON SWINGING THERE? :boom
They switched the Cubs game - the Phils are on now. :yay
First batter that gets on base, pull this mother farger out.
still stuck with the Pads...I'm hoping for a blowout soon so they switch.
Eaton = shtein.
Thank you.
I have a feeling that one team could be up by 20, and the idiots at this station wouldn't change the game.
Good move getting that Hoyda outta there.
Come on Gas Can...don't be an arsonist today.
Is it wrong that i'm enjoying the faces Gillick was showing when Eaton was in there. It looked like he cant sleep at night because of the ghost of adam eaton
this team looks so farging tight right now.
i too have a very sick feeling. intensified when i saw eaton on the mound, god he really stinks. I loved hearing McCarver just eating him alive. welcome to our world timmy.
Its his own goddamn fault for giving him $24M....and his faces should be canned too because he should have upgraded the bullpen via FA and not spent $24 large on iceholes like Adam Eaton.
Great job, Geary.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 04:42:55 PM
I have a feeling that one team could be up by 20, and the idiots at this station wouldn't change the game.
geo,
you may not want to watch this. what are they showing in your market? padres?
Nice DP to get out of the inning.
How many innings can Geary go?
And why do some scrub pitchers look like the second coming of Koufax against the top offense in the NL?
And I farging hate having to rely on Gamecast to follow the game. Especially one like this.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 04:50:07 PM
And I farging hate having to rely on Gamecast to follow the game. Especially one like this.
that is almost as bas as watching eaton pitch live.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 04:50:07 PM
And I farging hate having to rely on Gamecast to follow the game. Especially one like this.
and if the roles were reversed and the Nats were playing for everything we'd roll over. :boom
Also, what's up with Victorino? Why is Werth in today?
The Hawaiian was such a jolt of energy to this offense the past few games, why is he not in today?
farging eh. this is getting ugly now. loosen up guys.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 04:52:50 PM
Also, what's up with Victorino? Why is Werth in today?
The Hawaiian was such a jolt of energy to this offense the past few games, why is he not in today?
??? werth did get a nice hit in the second and of course he's left stranded at third.
OU/Colorado game is great. 24-24 late 4th. my nephew is a freshman at CU so iam sure he's all liquored up leading buffalo chants.
mesa up in the bullpen. lord help me. please help me.
Maybe in the end it's better I'm not getting the game. It may end up saving my television.
everyone ok?
Joe Table? Joe farging Table coming in with runners on?!?!
What happened to pitching Lohse?
This might not end well.
good job table top. now let's get some farging offense "team to beat"!
Fox just switched the farging game to the Padres.
I just lost the game, FOX now showing the Padres. Probably for the best.
I simply cannot believe they switched the game. It's ridiculous.
so far this is really bad. you are not missing a thing. phils look like shtein - offense that is.
werth walks - two out. let's go knuckleheads.
McCarver "lot of dismay by the phils fans towards helms" - not. ::)
Helms farging sucks
Offense is shteinting the bed
ok, we're getting really close to panic time.
offense is pathetic. they look so tight and lost at the plate. starting to feel like Shea the past two nights.
NOW Lohse is in.
Great defense, choke dawg.
Goddamn butcher.
This farging offense better wake their asses up. farging idiots.
well loeshe looks loose as he just boots a ball of his heel, zimmerman safe at first.
i'm trying to stay positive people. my sister just called as she is a CU alum so she is all jacked about them beating OU. I told her to farg off as i am having an out of body experience watching the phillies. :boom
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2007, 05:26:27 PM
Great defense, choke dawg.
Goddamn butcher.
This farging offense better wake their asses up. farging idiots.
biggest game in 14 years and we got 3 farging hits through 4. let's go dammit!
Brewers just went up 2-1 over the Padres.
Quick question: ESPN radio was saying that the Padres had already clinched a playoff spot, and it was just a question of whether it would be a division title or wildcard. But they have 89 wins, and the Phils and Mets both have 88 (pending on the Phils and Padres games this afternoon).
To me it is still possible for the Phils to win the division, and the Mets to tie San Diego to force a one-game playoff for the WC. Am I not correct?
horrible
I believe WC tie's are h2h, Geo. I might be wrong.
Gonzalez goes deep for SD, tie ballgame...
WHY IS KYLE LOHSE'S PLATE APPROACH BETTER THAN THE GUYS PAID TO HIT?!?!?!? Good walk, Kyle.
A double play...atta baby boys. Great job.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2007, 05:35:23 PM
A double play...atta baby boys. Great job.
that's right jimmy you are the team to beat. sure proving it today.
Well, dammit, if there has to be a playoff for the division, there should be one for the WC.
Or at least let the division be decided head-to-head. The total domination of the Mets should count for something.
Please, Phils, win this game and make all this moot. And save me more heartache.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 05:31:24 PM
Quick question: ESPN radio was saying that the Padres had already clinched a playoff spot, and it was just a question of whether it would be a division title or wildcard. But they have 89 wins, and the Phils and Mets both have 88 (pending on the Phils and Padres games this afternoon).
To me it is still possible for the Phils to win the division, and the Mets to tie San Diego to force a one-game playoff for the WC. Am I not correct?
Right, the Padres have only clinched getting to a least a one-game playoff.
who sprayed mustard gas on the CBP crowd?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 05:38:27 PM
save me more heartache.
mitch williams ripped my heart out, cut it into little pieces and flushed down the toilet after peeing on it in 1993. ask my wife.
Loshe is pitching like a man possessed. I sincerely believe Gillick told Cholly in no uncertain terms that Eaton was to start today, though. And for that, I hope Gillick gets hit by a piano falling out of a window.
I feel like I've been set up again.
Geez, guys...are you forgetting that this team has 48 come from behind wins?
You sound like a bunch of whiny Hoydas.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 29, 2007, 05:46:23 PM
You sound like a bunch of whiny Hoydas.
have you been talking to my wife?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 29, 2007, 05:46:23 PM
Geez, guys...are you forgetting that this team has 48 come from behind wins?
You sound like a bunch of whiny Hoydas.
It'd be better if I could actually watch the farging game. Watching this Gamecenter thing makes it worse.
And if they don't make it 49, then the first 48 don't really matter.
i'd feel a little better about a comeback if they didn't look totally flat and weren't getting shutout by Matt farging Chico
I'd feel a little better if the only beer I had in my refrigerator wasn't Yuengling Light.
shteinbags...way to come out tight today
Pads lead 3-2 ....
Choking. Dogs.
Unfargingcorksuckingbelievable.
What the farg are they doing
(http://www.uswarphotos.com/WWIIPhotos/images/The%20USS%20Arizona%20(BB-39)%20burning%20after%20the%20Japanese%20attack%20on%20Pearl%20Harbor.jpg)
a day which will live in infamy
farging choke artists
The Phillies are playing exactly like the Mets have been playing.
Choking farging flags.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2007, 05:26:27 PM
Great defense, choke dawg.
Goddamn butcher.
This farging offense better wake their asses up. farging idiots.
x2...farging butcher
Atta boy Aaron!
About farging time
The only better headline than the Phils winning the division coming from 7 back with 17 to play is the Phillies coming back to have the division lead with two games left and losing the next two to miss the playoffs.
Retards. Ineptitude is the rallying cry of Philadelphia sports.
May I panic now, PG? These iceholes are Three-Stooging their way through this game.
They set us up. And now it's time for the knife to be thrust.
I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. But other than one glorious year in my far passed youth, this is the pattern of the Philadelphia Phillies.
Rowand trying to smack those queers out of their stupor.
Come on, damn it!
must have more shots of Gillick
helms in the on deck circle has me beeming with confidence.
i knew this would happen. abortion.
Dobbsy with the free pass.
Ruiz actually does something right today.
1st & 2nd, one out. Shaney's up!
Please do something. Hopefully Shane doesn't walk or single the bases loaded just for Jimmy to first-pitch swing again.
thanks shane,
Why in the world is Rollins jumping on every first pitch
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 29, 2007, 06:26:40 PM
Why in the world is Rollins jumping on every first pitch
:boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
Wow. Did I call that or what.
Take a pitch Jimmy! fargin' A.
He loves first pitch swings!!
Sickening.
Jimmy has done a lot better at working counts this year, but in the clutch he just reverts back to old habits. Even though he hit 30 HRs this year, he is not a power hitter. He isn't going to muscle a ball out. I wish he would just not try to be a hero in one swing and just attempt to chip away at the lead.
I have a feeling we're going to come back and win this thing.
I don't.
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:33:20 PM
I have a feeling we're going to come back and win this thing.
You and PG.
As for me, my heart aches. Literally.
I'm getting a nice buzz going. Sure, it's a Yuengling Light buzz, but still. . .
Just wait.. Howard's going to keep hope alive.
I told you so.
seventh inning debacle gonna bite us in the ass? farg 4-2! this damm game should be tied right now.
Rowand will hit one too.. back to back jacks.
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:41:23 PM
Just wait.. Howard's going to keep hope alive.
Any insights as to the Lotto numbers tonight?
Quote from: Don Ho on September 29, 2007, 06:43:16 PM
seventh inning debacle gonna bite us in the ass? farg 4-2! this damm game should be tied right now.
The entire seventh inning was ridiculous. The multiple errors, and then we leave two on with one out.
Losers. They are going to get me excited for nothing.
lol @ tomorrow
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:41:23 PM
Just wait.. Howard's going to keep hope alive.
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:43:02 PM
I told you so.
Good guess, but keep hope alive? All it does is make that 7th inning defensive blowup all the more painful.
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:43:40 PM
Rowand will hit one too.. back to back jacks.
shtein, when that one left the bat I thought it had a chance... I guess my prediction streak ended at one post.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 06:45:10 PM
lol @ tomorrow
At this point, there is no doubt in my mind that the Mets win and the Phils lose tomorrow. I'm trying to steel myself to that fact now.
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:41:23 PM
Just wait.. Howard's going to keep hope alive.
He can start by fielding his farging position like a major leaguer for once. His atrocious defense cost them today. Him and Ruiz making like they're on Chico's farging Bail Bonds.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 06:45:35 PM
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:41:23 PM
Just wait.. Howard's going to keep hope alive.
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:43:02 PM
I told you so.
Good guess, but keep hope alive? All it does is make that 7th inning defensive blowup all the more painful.
It's not over yet. Worth and Dobbs will get on base, and Ruiz or the pinch hitter will hit a walk off, 3 run shot.
Brewers tie it up!
Tony Gwynn Jr. just farged over the Padres in the bottom of the ninth. :-D
Brewers tied the Padres at 3 on a game-tying, 2-out triple by... Tony Gwynn, Jr.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 06:45:10 PM
lol @ tomorrow
At this point, there is no doubt in my mind that the Mets win and the Phils lose tomorrow. I'm trying to steel myself to that fact now.
Milkwaukee just tied things up. If the Mets and Phils win, and the Padres lose, what exactly happens??
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 06:45:10 PM
lol @ tomorrow
At this point, there is no doubt in my mind that the Mets win and the Phils lose tomorrow. I'm trying to steel myself to that fact now.
were we separated at birth?
Quote from: bowzer on September 29, 2007, 06:49:23 PM
Milkwaukee just tied things up. If the Mets and Phils win, and the Padres lose, what exactly happens??
we still choke.
My original understanding is that, if one or the other would be out of the playoffs, they would play one game to decide who's in.
But, ESPN radio was declaring the Padres in the playoffs this morning, so I could be wrong.
Where's BigEd when we need him?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 06:51:31 PM
My original understanding is that, if one or the other would be out of the playoffs, they would play one game to decide who's in.
But, ESPN radio was declaring the Padres in the playoffs this morning, so I could be wrong.
Where's BigEd when we need him?
Well, Fox said that only the Cubs and Diamondbacks have clinched. I have no clue.
Padres have 89 wins. If they lose then they haven't clinched anything since the Phils could still win 89 if they don't win today. So I don't think the Padres have anything locked up.
is tomorrow 1:35 PM EST? 7:35 AM HST. Guess i'm getting up early to have needles inserted into my eyeballs and bamboo toothpicks under my fingernails.
NL scenarios: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3038686
Nice job getting out of it by the bitch slapper.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 29, 2007, 06:50:08 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 06:45:10 PM
lol @ tomorrow
At this point, there is no doubt in my mind that the Mets win and the Phils lose tomorrow. I'm trying to steel myself to that fact now.
were we separated at birth?
Don,
I think we're about the same age (late 30s), and have been watching this team for a long time. Save that one magic season of 1980, the history of the Philadelphia Phillies is one of heartache and misery.
We can see the writing on the wall, because we've seen it many a time before.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 29, 2007, 06:49:10 PM
Tony Gwynn Jr. just farged over the Padres in the bottom of the ninth. :-D
If you're ever looking for an excellent example of irony, that would be it.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 06:58:19 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on September 29, 2007, 06:50:08 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 06:45:10 PM
lol @ tomorrow
At this point, there is no doubt in my mind that the Mets win and the Phils lose tomorrow. I'm trying to steel myself to that fact now.
were we separated at birth?
Don,
I think we're about the same age (late 30s), and have been watching this team for a long time. Save that one magic season of 1980, the history of the Philadelphia Phillies is one of heartache and misery.
We can see the writing on the wall, because we've seen it many a time before.
Atleast fans your age have actually seen a championship. I was born in 1985, I have seen nothing but disappointment.. it's all i know, and hey.. I'm still optimistic.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 06:58:19 PM
We can see the writing on the wall, because we've seen it many a time before.
you got a couple of hours? between the sixers, birds and phils it's a miracle i have not had cardiac arrest - as werth whiffs.
the bigger game tomorrow?
phils nats where jamie moyer gives up 7 runs in four innings
or birds giants where mcnabb throws four ints in the first half
Tomorrow has the potential to be awesome or bridge jumping horrible.
Bums.
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Weather forecast for Philadelphia, Sunday 9/30:
75F clear, 80% chance of severe choking
Werth & Dobbs out...its up to Ruiz.
Way to make Matt farging Chico look like a stud today, iceholes.
Kill Eaton.
Maybe Ryan Howard should sleep with his glove. Terrible game by him today. farging butcher
glavine for the mets, moyer for the phillies, hhhhhhmmmmmmmm yeah i feel good.
offense took a night off.....gonna happen tomorrow as well...does anyone doubt it?
mets could have lost 150 in a row and it doesnt matter now
I've got a chuch function at my pastor's home in the afternoon. I know he has the MLB.TV package, so I'll be dominating his computer.
I hope that my church brethren can handle all the swearing.
i don't put this one on eaton. that farging seventh inning brain fart by choke dog and ruiz was killer. nice of the "MVP" to show up. if i see him swing at one more first pitch tomorrow you will all hear the expletives flying over the pacific.
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Why do I see it coming down to a one game playoff and the Phillies losing?
I'm a Philly fan I guess. The Mets are bad though so maybe I'm just a cynic.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2007, 07:10:14 PM
I've got a chuch function at my pastor's home in the afternoon. I know he has the MLB.TV package, so I'll be dominating his computer.
I hope that my church brethren can handle all the swearing.
uh-oh! you might be excommunicated tomorrow.
i'm about to call Father Rick from my son's school to read me my last rights.
Quote from: King Cole on September 29, 2007, 07:13:08 PM
Why do I see it coming down to a one game playoff and the Phillies losing?
I'm a Philly fan I guess. The Mets are bad though so maybe I'm just a cynic.
aawwhhhrrrigghhhttt, welcome to our world!
Thinking that the Phils will even reach a one-game playoff makes you one of the more optimistic Phillies Phans out there.
Quote from: King Cole on September 29, 2007, 07:13:08 PM
Why do I see it coming down to a one game playoff and the Phillies losing?
I'm a Philly fan I guess. The Mets are bad though so maybe I'm just a cynic.
off the bat youre not a philly fan...
i swore i would never address you again but this phillie drive is in my wheel house as one of the all time philly runs in my lifetime
i will answer you now because you are one of the biggest douchebags thats has ever lived
i swear on mother that you drink an aids cocktail tonight
its flags like you that make me root against philadelphia teams
Whatever. All the sweeter when a St. Joe's alum helps the Phils reach the playoffs for the first time since 1993.
Pads lose.
Tomorrow is gonna be crazy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 29, 2007, 07:13:08 PM
Why do I see it coming down to a one game playoff and the Phillies losing?
I'm a Philly fan I guess. The Mets are bad though so maybe I'm just a cynic.
off the bat youre not a philly fan...
i swore i would never address you again but this phillie drive is in my wheel house as one of the all time philly runs in my lifetime
i will answer you now because you are one of the biggest douchebags thats has ever lived
i swear on my mother that you drink an aids cocktail tonight
its flags like you that make me root against philadelphia teams
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 29, 2007, 07:13:08 PM
Why do I see it coming down to a one game playoff and the Phillies losing?
I'm a Philly fan I guess. The Mets are bad though so maybe I'm just a cynic.
off the bat youre not a philly fan...
i swore i would never address you again but this phillie drive is in my wheel house as one of the all time philly runs in my lifetime
i will answer you now because you are one of the biggest douchebags thats has ever lived
i swear on my mother that you drink an aids cocktail tonight
its flags like you that make me root against philadelphia teams
Haha.. my whatever wasn't addressing you.. it was addressing the phils zesty debacle today.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 29, 2007, 07:13:08 PM
Why do I see it coming down to a one game playoff and the Phillies losing?
I'm a Philly fan I guess. The Mets are bad though so maybe I'm just a cynic.
off the bat youre not a philly fan...
i swore i would never address you again but this phillie drive is in my wheel house as one of the all time philly runs in my lifetime
i will answer you now because you are one of the biggest douchebags thats has ever lived
i swear on mother that you drink an aids cocktail tonight
its flags like you that make me root against philadelphia teams
SO KISS ME GOODBYE!
Honey, I'm gonna make it out alive?
SO KISS ME GOODBYE-EYE!
I can see the venom in their eyes!
The Mets will choke it up tomorrow though.
Go Phils.
youre whole life is a debacle
I guess when someone's whole social life revolves around a message board they start to think they know people via online. I'll look into this phenom.
Go Phils
irony be thick
Kendrick vs Pelfrey on Monday....just in case....
there will be no monday easy
moyer is gonna get lit up....the offense is gonna gag again and the mets got the confidence they needed tonight
welcome to the last five years
sun you know where to route the money
The Mets thought they had turned it around last week too when they won. Look what happened. Dontrelle will dominate the Mets, Phils will win, NL east champs.
i trust you
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 08:07:03 PM
i trust you
Haha might as well be somewhat optimistic. Everytime I expect the worse with a Philadelphia team they lose, so there's no use in that.
this subject is closed until 5:00 PM EST tomorrow.
when is the last time theres been a better day of philly sports than whats goin on tomorrow
phils at 130 for playoff spot
birds prime time against ny
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2007, 08:32:17 PM
when is the last time theres been a better day of philly sports than whats goin on tomorrow
Classic. IGY, you tried so hard to steer everyone away from getting excited and thinking this team was going to be different. Now you're all in again.
Going to hurt when Moyer gives it away tomorrow. I should have stayed away and just have been disappointed by the Birds. This sucks. What makes it even worse if they lose and the Mets win, is that the Mets total collapse which let the Phils get in this position will be all but forgotten.
ive been all in the whole time dooks
ask sun about how my grandma wanted to cut my scroat off because i left her house to watch the phils game
reality reigns
choking. dogs. i might not make it through tomorrow if the phils lose/mets win, eagles lose, fantasy teams crumble....ill be done.
From the Ft. Worth Star Telegram:
QuoteThree teams with same record: If New York, Philadelphia and either Colorado or San Diego finish with the same record, New York and Philadelphia would play a tiebreaker Monday at Philadelphia for the division title. The loser would play a wild-card tiebreaker Tuesday against Colorado or San Diego.
Four teams with same record: If four teams finish with the same record, New York and Philadelphia would play the NL East tiebreaker Monday; the loser would play a three-team, two-day, wild-card tiebreaker with Colorado and San Diego on Tuesday and Wednesday. In that scenario, the team with the best head-to-head record among the three teams in the wild-card tiebreaker would get the choice of having a bye on Tuesday or playing both games at home.
EDIT: I had forgotten that Colorado was still in it. If all four teams are still in it, it gets really interesting.
Rockies are gonna win tonight, so they are tied with the Mets and Phils, 1 back in the wild card. Things could be really interesting/fun/depressing tomorrow. My money is on depressing.
If the Mets, Phils, Padres, and Rockies are all tied up, the Mets come to Philly on Monday to decide the East, and the loser gets sucked into a three-team tourney for the wild card.
If the Phillies lost the East to the Mets in that game, they'd either play the first game at Colorado or San Diego on Tuesday -- the Rockies get to choose. If the Phils win Game 1, I think they would either host the Rockies or travel to San Diego for the second game on Wednesday. If they lose Game 1, they are out.
It's A B C scenario.
A hosts B, winner hosts C.
Rockies, Phillies, Padres get the choice in that order. So I would assume the Rockies would want the 1 game, so the Phillies would have a bunch of home games to choke it all away. :-D
Or they could just choke it all away in one home game tomorrow.
Quote"I didn't know I had that little margin of error," Eaton said. "We're one pitch from getting out of the inning. I felt like I could have done the . . . job.
Die motherfarger.
You have a tiny margin because you've sucked all year long and haven't done shtein.
Yo Ed...are there any free radio casts available?
I unfortunately watched the whole game yesterday.
I won't make the same mistake today.
i woke up with a shocking feeling this morning...optimisim
this team will win today
Quote from: SunMo on September 30, 2007, 08:07:05 AM
i woke up with a shocking feeling this morning...optimisim
this team will win today
Same here. Read a stat lasntight that Willis is 5-0 lifetime at Shea not to mention the Fish should be up for this game after the near brawl yesterday.
You can't fight 125 years of history.
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SunMo is scared of changing the title of this thread. No matter how apropos. Good luck, Phils, you farging losers.
i can't ever remember a day when the birds and phils played on the same day...and i was more excited about the baseball game. until today.
Quote from: phattymatty on September 30, 2007, 09:49:22 AM
i can't ever remember a day when the birds and phils played on the same day...and i was more excited about the baseball game. until today.
I completely agree.
They simply have to win today. No other option is possible.
I want the Phils to win.
I need them to win.
I'm praying for them to win.
But I cannot actully bring myself to actually think they can win.
I've followed this team through too many years of losing for that.
I pray they surprise me, because it would be.
farg this team I know they're gonna lose.
ok im back in
my stomach hurts
over under on number of runs moyer gives up in the first three innings
o/u 2
1
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 04:20:42 AM
Yo Ed...are there any free radio casts available?
Try http://www.wbcb1490.com/listen.htm
Sweet - I'll check it out in a few. Thanks dude.
I'm ready for the choke job! WOOO!
7-3 phils
has anyone bought tickets to the possible tiebreaker game? i'm thinking of going.
EDIT: Never mind, I could get tickets this morning but it looks like the presale is over already. Oh well, hopefully we won't need it.
4-0 FISH!!
make that 5-0
great play by Moyer to start the game
and so it begins?
i just got up, turned on mlb.com and see Marlins up 7-0! Are you shteintin me? Holy cow!
7-1
J-roll steals third!
Utley knocks him in with a sac fly...1-0
Willis got out of inning too with based loaded. phew
farging Willis is out of control. But Delgado is out of the game.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 01:57:40 PM
farging Willis is out of control. But Delgado is out of the game.
What happened to Delgado?
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 01:57:40 PM
farging Willis is out of control. But Delgado is out of the game.
per geo:
QuoteAnd Willis may be 5-0 at Shea, but he's 3-11 since June 1. His ERA since the All-Star break is 5.81.
And Moyer strikes him out.
atta boy jamie! go bitch slap eaton on youe way to the bench.
Moyer is dealing!!
I'm pissed that I can't see this game. MLB.tv is not working for me. I want to hear Harry call this one. And the link Ed gave freezes my computer up...I don't know why. I'm doing the gamecenter thing again.
double for ruiz!!
Moyer doesnt get it down; 1 out
JRoll walks...1st and 3rd with Vic and Utley coming up.
NO DP SHANE!!
LETS GO!!!!
Bases loaded... 2-0 to Utley
Howard comes up big... 2 run single... 3-0!!
HOWARD!!
3-0!
you can't throw a ball between Belliard and Kearns the way they were playing, i can't believe he dropped that in there.
Willis is a douche.
this game is going swell so far. and the nats announcers aren't being as douchey as usual.
End of the third, still 7-1. Hopefully that error doesn't cost us.
And the error does cost us. Thanks Dobbs.
ok, stay calm. let's get out of this inning.
Moyer strikes him out to end the ending. Now it's time for Dobbs to make up for that run.
Atta baby Moyer!!
Lets go O
kensing looks to be settling down the marlins/mets game.
Just got back from my church get-together. Good barbeque, and got to check in on the Phillies.
Hot damn, they've got a lead. Just have to keep those mistakes to a minimum (thanks, Dobbs). Moyer has been stellar.
And man, Ruiz has had a painful weekend.
On the other hand, Ruiz being hit gets Moyer out of the way for next inning. :yay
ouch! payback for the fan carlos just decapitated.
obviously some fan got nailed by ruiz's liner into the crowd. everyones been looking over there since it happened. c'mon wheels, need the gory details.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 30, 2007, 02:56:22 PM
Just got back from my church get-together. Good barbeque, and got to check in on the Phillies.
i know you prayed for the phils. did you get one in for the birds?
8-1 now. :yay
8-1 Marlins..
We prayed for the Phils at mass today too, but not the Eagles.
Rollins ticked me off yesterday but man after that first inning performance and that throw, alllrrriggghhhtttt!
Quote from: Don Ho on September 30, 2007, 03:08:37 PM
Rollins ticked me off yesterday but man after that first inning performance and that throw, alllrrriggghhhtttt!
He's amazing as long as he doesn't swing for the fences on the first pitch like yesterday.
Anyone going in the bullpen. I would think in the 6th, Moyers is on a short leash.
Gordon is warming up. Moyer just got a huge strike out!
1st and 2nd one out, Gordon is coming in.
:-X
good work moyer! now let's see if this bullpen can do it when everything is on the line.
DOUBLE fargING PLAY!
FLASH!!!!!!!!!!
And I agree, Don, Moyer was money today. Great start from the Ancient One.
MORE RUNS DAMNIT
GREAT JOB GUYS!!!
Coste HBP (any word on Ruiz? he got hit)
Bourn on 2nd - Cost on 1st....0 outs
LET's GOOOOOO!
PLAYOFFFFFSSSS!!
2nd and 3rd, one out... iguchi up!
9 outs to go on both ends. oh dios mio.
Gooch gets it done.
Great job, Chinaman.
4-1
PLAYOFFFFFFFFFS!
Good plate appearance by J-roll.
Triple by Rollins.. 6-1... MVP!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
Jimmy's 20th triple!
I wanted him to get 20...MVPMVPMVPMVPMVP!!!!
YESSSSSSSSS!!!
Lets go Phils!
20 hr 20 2b 20 3b 20 sb
5-1, but I do think he'll get serious MVP consideration.
i feel weird.
ha there was some douche with a bad stache on the nats bench who called rollins out on the triple, then slamed his foot down in anger when he was called safe.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 03:49:30 PM
20 hr 20 2b 20 3b 20 sb
aka GOD
farg that bastich JOSE REYES
hopefully the homo enjoys the offseason to come up with more faggy dances...bitch ass
9 outs to go...9 outs to go
only guy with any emotion on the Nats bench is the equipment manager. he was all pissed when rollins was safe at third. rest of them are on their cell phones making tee times or booking the caribbean cruise.
Come on Romero!
BTW MIL leads SD now 6-4
Down to 6 outs in each game!
if things hold up....go padres. i want nothing to do with colorado.
man, this wild card thing was such a bad idea for baseball. ::)
we may never see a weekend like this for years.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 04:03:34 PM
if things hold up....go padres. i want nothing to do with colorado.
Yeah, no shtein.
I'll take the chances of the Phils bats vs. good pitching rather than the bats of COL vs the shoddy Phils pitching
go padres..except i want them to have to burn peavy tomorrow
Howitzer!
wow
Howard just killed it...
remember when IGY said the bats would disappear when it mattered ;)
HOWARD!!!!!
holy hell son of a bitch
It's farging happening!!!!
The first time since I was 13 farging years old! YES!!!
do the dbacks have anything to play for today? they will have the best record regardless of the outcome. do i smell roll over and play dead?
Anyone know when playoff tickets go on sale???
too late already
Okay that's what I thought, wasn't sure how it worked. Well now it's time to suck up to my sister cause she has tickets haha.
3 outs to go in NYC!
Come on bullpen...make this easy and pop the farging corks!!
3 outs away in both games!
YES!!!!
3 outs left!
Does it feel weird to anyone else to use Phillies and making the playoffs in the same sentence?!?!?!?!
on field celebration please. hurry up mets.
omg
Ed,
Whats the NLDS schedule like?!?!
yes, i need an on field celebration
lets go baby!!
bottom of the ninth in NY.
this is setting up to be too perfect. this doesnt happen in philly.
Does this happen in Philadelphia??
farg me for moving to HOuston this soon....shtein, I"m missing everything! :(
1 out in NYC
2 outs in NYC with Reyes getting the shtein booed out of him
YES!!
farg your mother Jose Reys
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 04:26:39 PM
this is setting up to be too perfect. this doesnt happen in philly.
how true as wheels brings up 1964. shtein it doesn't stop there - black friday, LA in 1978, losing 4 straight to Baltimore, Mitch Williams. I'll stop raining on the parade.
one down in NY!!
ITS OVER!!!!
GAME OVER!!
IT'S OVERRRRRRR IN NY!!!
WAY TO GO MARLINS!
Mets with the historic choke job.!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
I love you all.
Phillies still gotta come through! Let's put this farger away!
this is too good to be true
Bretty Myers is a farging buzz saw right now
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!
Brett in to close it out!
Lets go boys!
DOWN GO THE METS!!!
Junior and I switched over real quick. loved hearing the fans boo! sweet.
i'm all funny in my pants.
Holy Tits they somehow managed not to choke their way out of the playoffs...
1 out to go!!!
YESSSSSSSSSS!!
lmao they are playing coldplay's scientist at shea as they show the fans crying.
unbelievable.
DIVISION CHAMPIONS!!!!!!
AWESOME!!!!
WOOOOOOHHOOOOOWOOOHOOOO!!
holy shtein....PLAYOFFS!
THEY fargING DID IT!!!!!!!!!!
SWEET MOTHER OF JESUS!!!
I LOVE IT!!!!
damm this feels so good!
GEO!!! WE DID IT!!!
tears of pain no more
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 04:39:57 PM
tears of pain no more
from yesterdays low to today. whew. I need a nap.
i wore my victorino jersey last night to my nephew's football game at aloha stadium and must have been stopped a dozen times by people that i knew consoling me. i went into a bitter tirade with each person explaining all the scenarios and how pissed i was.
i'm heading down the street to get some coffee and I don't give a rats ass that my jersey is dirty. i'm going strutting!!!
chills and tears boy. Unreal
i still can't believe it!
Actually brought a tear to my eye. Especially seeing Burrell and Rollins hugging for a good 30 seconds or so. They've been through a lot of zesty years together here.
ha...the clubhouse shtein is awesome!
Hahaha Jason Werth doing waterfalls with the beer...
I'm crazy right now....craaaaaaaaaaaazy!
Whats the NLDS scenarios
looks like a rockies/padres 1 game playoff tomorrow, winner comes here on wednesday.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 04:59:03 PM
looks like a rockies/padres 1 game playoff tomorrow, winner comes here on wednesday.
Rockies are scary good
Whiny Hoydas.
Told ya.
8)
I don't really want to play either of those teams....
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 04:59:03 PM
looks like a rockies/padres 1 game playoff tomorrow, winner comes here on wednesday.
DO they still play day baseball in the playoffs?
Would the Phils get the late game because they play a WC team?
I'm rooting for a 1 game playoff tomorrow because SD would have to burn Peavy
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 04:27:42 PM
farg me for moving to HOuston this soon....shtein, I"m missing everything! :(
:-D Phreak, 1993 was the year I moved to Florida. I know how you feel.
From the AP article:
Quote
Somehow it seems fitting the Phillies enjoy success the same season they became the first team in professional sports to lose 10,000 games.
I hate to nitpick, but ESPN's top stories are always how the Mets folded, rather than the Phils taking it.
Stop talking about how the Mets suck and talk about how the Phillies are actually good.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 30, 2007, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 04:27:42 PM
farg me for moving to HOuston this soon....shtein, I"m missing everything! :(
:-D Phreak, 1993 was the year I moved to Florida. I know how you feel.
I am sad I am missing the post game stuff mostly...and partying in the city. I just called my Mom and told her to get my the papers tomorrow and send them to me.
youd figure the phillies will get the "least important first round series" label. the other 3 include boston, cubs, yankees. so chances are the phillies get the afternoon games for wed and thu, and the late night games on sat/sun.
Nice to see Favre's mug all over the front pages of the sports sites.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 05:14:50 PM
youd figure the phillies will get the "least important first round series" label. the other 3 include boston, cubs, yankees. so chances are the phillies get the afternoon games.
Even with a WC team? Considering how the networks cater to the left coasters, I would hope they hook us up here.
Quote from: King Cole on September 30, 2007, 05:13:47 PM
I hate to nitpick, but ESPN's top stories are always how the Mets folded, rather than the Phils taking it.
Stop talking about how the Mets suck and talk about how the Phillies are actually good.
Not much too talk about there, the Mets blew a 7 game lead. You didn't beat much.
shut the farg up you fag...
....and die how?
Those chocking, mother farging retards....fire ....
relax, there is no need to panic, there are still 0 games left
uh.....
huh?
farg YEAH
Quote from: shorebird on September 30, 2007, 05:21:26 PM
....and die how?
i don't care how...just get the job done
Quote from: shorebird on September 30, 2007, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: King Cole on September 30, 2007, 05:13:47 PM
I hate to nitpick, but ESPN's top stories are always how the Mets folded, rather than the Phils taking it.
Stop talking about how the Mets suck and talk about how the Phillies are actually good.
Not much too talk about there, the Mets blew a 7 game lead. You didn't beat much.
If the Phils don't go 13-4 to end the season, the Mets' are stumbling into the playoffs. Yes, the Mets imploded, but the Phils also seized the opportunity (not to mention caused much of the implosion by sweeping the Mets twice).
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 30, 2007, 05:15:09 PM
Nice to see Favre's mug all over the front pages of the sports sites.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ has the Phils/Mets first, Favre second.
What an awesome farging day
Harry is singing High Hopes to the crowd now
Quote from: SunMo on September 30, 2007, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: shorebird on September 30, 2007, 05:21:26 PM
....and die how?
i don't care how...just get the job done
:-D :-D Your too much man. Still, I give the Phillies credit, they had their destiny in there hands and they kicked ass.
But they ain't playing the Mets in the playoffs.
shorebird, why are you shteinting all over this thread?
wtf?
Rockies just took a 2-1 lead in the bottom of the 8th. Looks like a one-game playoff for Colorado and San Diego tomorrow.
Brewers win 11-6, so that part's done.
Quote from: shorebird on September 30, 2007, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: SunMo on September 30, 2007, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: shorebird on September 30, 2007, 05:21:26 PM
....and die how?
i don't care how...just get the job done
:-D :-D Your too much man. Still, I give the Phillies credit, they had their destiny in there hands and they kicked ass.
But they ain't playing the Mets in the playoffs.
He got pissy because people talked about the Phils on the Eagles board, and even dared to intimate that the Phils were more important today. So he's pulling a Paul LoDuca on this thread.
this is such a great scene...all the players are on the field...talking with players, spraying them with beer and water, just having a great time and sharing it with the fans. tremendous scene
Good thing Leslie Guidel didnt wear a white shirt.
Rockies taking charge. Now 4-1, still nobody out in the 8th.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 05:46:36 PM
Good thing Leslie Guidel didnt wear a white shirt.
good thing, or the only bad thing about today?
HELP HELP
What would be causing my browser to not open the video on Phillies.com (and all mlb.com sites?) I click on the links and nothing happens. I am using Mozilla and I tried it on IE too..nothing. Nothing pops up...that is why I could not watch on mlb.tv earlier
What do I do?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 05:51:20 PM
What do I do?
Beat yourself upside the head for moving back to that godforsaken shteinhole of a state instead of staying back here and watching all 100 channels covering it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 30, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 05:51:20 PM
What do I do?
Beat yourself upside the head for moving back to that godforsaken shteinhole of a state instead of staying back here and watching all 100 channels covering it.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 30, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 05:51:20 PM
What do I do?
Beat yourself upside the head for moving back to that godforsaken shteinhole of a state instead of staying back here and watching all 100 channels covering it.
Thank. You.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 05:51:20 PM
HELP HELP
What would be causing my browser to not open the video on Phillies.com (and all mlb.com sites?) I click on the links and nothing happens. I am using Mozilla and I tried it on IE too..nothing. Nothing pops up...that is why I could not watch on mlb.tv earlier
What do I do?
I'm not a techie like some of the other folks on here, but could it be your firewall? I know that Norton does some of that to my stuff.
D-Backs mounting a small rally in the 9th. 4-2, one out, one on.
Now 4-3, two out, man on first.
Rockies get the third out on a very close play at first. One-game playoff tomorrow for the right to lose to the Phils. 8)
Wow.
That's all. Just wow.
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where's igy? :-D
Now the top story on ESPN.com... holler.
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fargin A Way to go phillies. I was reffing all day, my pops was giving me updates on voicemail!!!
Bring it home for Jerome baby ;D
The NY Post is precious. The Mets lose and they call it a gigantic choke job and they lambast the Jets for losing to a rookie QB.
Its a bad day in NY.
And the Phils definitely did earn this. 13-4 down the stretch, playing very well going into the playoffs, the back end of the Pen is solid with Romero, Gordon, and Myers, the bats are hot and they are executing fundamentals to manufacture runs when they need it.
Exciting times.
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"I done already told dat bitch twice!"
M
V
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He certainly has the momentum to win it now.
farg the MVP. Win the whole God-damn thing.
About 99% sure the first two days shake down like this:
130- phils/rocks or pads
500- dbacks/cubs
830- sox/indians
130- phils/rocks or pads
500- dbacks/cubs
830- yanks/angels
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uh
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 30, 2007, 06:57:36 PM
He certainly has the momentum to win it now.
farg the MVP. Win the whole God-damn thing.
I thought it was more fun when they lose?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 30, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 05:51:20 PM
What do I do?
Beat yourself upside the head for moving back to that godforsaken shteinhole of a state instead of staying back here and watching all 100 channels covering it.
I know, I know. I wish I was there today...
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 07:14:45 PM
About 99% sure the first two days shake down like this:
130- phils/rocks or pads
500- dbacks/cubs
830- sox/indians
130- phils/rocks or pads
500- dbacks/cubs
830- yanks/angels
Uh...that sucks.
Yep...now I work days. farg.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 07:24:51 PM
Yep...now I work days. farg.
I'll be rounding up the old VCR and avoiding this board those afternoons.
luck on wednesday, only class is over at 1230. but thursday, well, ill aint showin up. farg temple.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 30, 2007, 07:16:26 PM
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uh
This is the picture of Rollins on the ESPN.com home page:
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Quote from: FastFreddie on September 30, 2007, 06:48:07 PM
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BANZAI! BANZAI! BANZAI!
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QuotePhillies.com lists the Phillies game as the "B" game which means it will be at 4 or 4:30 on Wednesday
Good...at least I'll see some of it.
Oh,
And huge props to Pat Burrell. I, like many, ripped that guy to shreds this year. And he deserved it until after the AS break when he was one of the reasons this team did what they did. Way to grow a pair, Pat.
And the trifecta of Romero/Flash/Myers was money down the stretch. Keep it up, boys.
And for the love of god...let the SP be somewhat decent. And if Eaton is in the rotation, kill someone please.
yea...again, the times are 130, 500 and 830. the dbacks cant host the early game, so is tbs gonna not put the biggest draw in primetime?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 07:35:45 PM
QuotePhillies.com lists the Phillies game as the "B" game which means it will be at 4 or 4:30 on Wednesday
And if Eaton is in the rotation, kill someone please.
i will have my son tie sacks full of lava rocks around me, have me taken out about three miles out into the pacific and dumped.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2007, 07:35:45 PM
And if Eaton is in the rotation, kill someone please.
Preferably Eaton.
I had to work today and while I was driving home I got a text from SD saying that the Phils won the division. I damn near drove off the road and I didn't believe it. I still don't believe it despite having seen the highlights and reading about it online. I'm in shock right now. And I'm confused about how to manage my time between the Eagles and Phillies. It's been 14 years since I've had to worry about it.
I'd much rather have Durbin as the 5th, if they want to go 5 deep. King Cole, Kendrick, Lohse, and Moyer would work well with Durbin coming in long relief if need be.
At least Durbin has a firey attitude that I think is good for the playoffs. Eaton is a soft bitch who doesn't understand why he gets pulled when he has no movement on his fastball and he consistently leaves it up in the zone.
I like this TEAM. They are really playing like a unit and picking each other up. Plus they are hot at the right time. Playing at CBP helps a bunch too. This is amazing for the city to witness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxpEfQIjU8&eurl= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxpEfQIjU8&eurl=)
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 07:52:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxpEfQIjU8&eurl= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxpEfQIjU8&eurl=)
That is just a hot mess.
I still can't believe it!
Watch it now before YouTube pulls it
9th inning on CW57 (Harry K) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ercPbGdMUDI)
Quote from: Wingspan on September 30, 2007, 07:21:42 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on September 30, 2007, 06:57:36 PM
He certainly has the momentum to win it now.
farg the MVP. Win the whole God-damn thing.
I thought it was more fun when they lose?
More fun on :CF? Yep.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 30, 2007, 08:26:00 PM
Watch it now before YouTube pulls it
9th inning on CW57 (Harry K) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ercPbGdMUDI)
Bless you, my son. Downloaded and converted!
Igy in da house! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jR3w4-mwUE)
Wait, that's igy? Holy hell.
no...it's not
IGY's a lot better-looking than that guy.
which one was he then? i must see uncle havas.
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2007, 09:27:18 PM
Wait, that's igy? Holy hell.
:-D
I have no idea what igy looks like... other than he's supposedly so pasty white he's actually black.
Remember 5 hours ago when Philly sports were good again?
Projected Phillies start times:
Game 1- 130
Game 2- 330
Game 3- 530
Game 4- 330/730
Game 5- 500/830
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:-D :yay
I still can't belive it.
And why exactly has IGY not posted in here? ::)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/30/AR2007093001718_2.html?sid=ST2007093001086
The best highlight package I've seen yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgG0FZy8oNE
There's a bunch of celebration videos posted too. Just random screaming and yelling on Broad Street so far. . .
One of the last things I ever wanted to see was a picture of Cholly in a soaking wet t-shirt.
seeing Leslie Gudel and Jade McCarthy star in bukkake videos in the locker room was very hot
No, really....WHY hasn't IGY posted in this thread yet?
He's posting a million times in the Eagles forums. Where is he to say he was wrong?
fargstick, get in here and take your lumps like the man you wish you were.
igy needs to stay off the bandwagon. the second his black ass stopped being a phils fan, they won the nl east. enough of this clown, he's bringing everyone down.
congrats on your phils making the playoffs....if you need me to explain how the playoffs work, just shoot me a pm.
Sportsnation has a poll on ESPN about the biggest collapse in history. The Mets are currently in first place ahead of the Yankees 2004 collapse, the Red Sox 1978 collapse, and the Phils 1964 collapse.
(http://www.nbc10.com/2007/1001/14240749_240X180.jpg)
So do we want the Phillies to go against the Padres pitching or the Rockies hitting??
I think the Phils would match up better with San Diego. During the reg season they went 4-3 vs the Pads and 3-4 vs the Rockies. But more importantly, the Rockies are just knocking the cover off the ball, playing great defense and are getting phenominal pitching. They're the only team in the NL that's been hotter than the Phils over the last couple weeks.
I refused to acknowledge publicly the Phillies chances of winning the Division the last month, I only talked about their chances at the wild card. :paranoid
I also had my son sitting on my lap watching the celebration and telling him I was one year older than he is when the Phillies won their World Series.
it's not even a question....San Deigo
Quote from: SunMo on October 01, 2007, 11:58:59 AM
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you know they ran a train on that azz 5 minutes after the pic was taken.
There's a pep rally on CSN.
Quote from: SunMo on October 01, 2007, 12:22:32 PM
it's not even a question....San Deigo
Yeah, especially with Peavy going today.
Quote from: bowzer on October 01, 2007, 12:32:44 PM
Quote from: SunMo on October 01, 2007, 12:22:32 PM
it's not even a question....San Deigo
Yeah, especially with Peavy going today.
Yep. The motion carries.
farg it...I'll admit it... Yesterday knocked the eagles down a peg for me while raising the phillies up.
It used to be
1- Eagles
2 - Phillies
6 - Flyers
999 - Sixers
I'm having doubts as to which is higher now.
If there were an eagles Divisional Round Playoff game on at the same time as game seven of the NLCS...I don't know which I would pick right now.
Padres
Positives for Phillies:
-- Average offense without Bradley and Cameron
-- No lefty starters
-- No Peavy until game 3
-- "Pitcher's park" for Moyer and Lohse in games 3 and 4
-- Tuesday will be their first and only off day since 9/10 after 4 plane trips in 9 days
Negatives for Phillies:
-- More playoff experience
-- Peavy/Young/Maddux could be tough
-- Good bullpen if they get a lead
Rockies
Positives for Phillies:
-- Not much playoff experience
-- Under .500 on the road
-- LaTroy Hawkins and Jorge Julio
Negatives for Phillies:
-- Offense is as good as the Phils and their 2-through-7 is dangerous
-- Major momentum (13-1 in their last 14)
-- Coors Field
-- 3 lefty starters
-- Young pitchers give the Phils problems
Here are some :CF predictions from before the season started:
BigEd: 91-71, no mention of playoffs
SD_E: slow start (check), 92-70 (close), playoffs (check)
MURP: 90-72
MDS: 89-73... but NO playoffs
Phreak (super homer): 94-68, playoffs
Wingspan: 86-76, 1 out of wild card
Eaglez: 91 wins "or" 84-88 (cop out and he STILL can't get it)
FastFreddie: "less than 90" wins (ha!), playoffs a possibility due to crappy NL
I rule.
I had them going 88-74 with no playoffs. If they had lost yesterday and the Mets had won I would have been teh winnar.
yea werth
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Go Phillies.