Goalie.
That's it. That's the list.
Fun for the WIP guys......a quote from Laviolette about gawd:
Quote"Mike and I continue to work on our relationship."
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Eskin thinks if they can free up some money, they might go after Bryzgalov
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 09, 2011, 02:05:40 PM
Eskin thinks if they can free up some money, they might go after Bryzgalov
thats been the rumor for most of the year...not only is he good but he would help bob acclimate to north america and the nhl game
There's been talks he might pull a Nabokov and go back to Russia though. I give it 1% chance of happening anyway since he's gonna want $5M-$6M/yr and they'd have to trade Carter or Briere (unless someone gets tricked into taking Hartnell) to fit him under the cap, even with 5 UFAs all expected to leave
btw here's the list of FA goalies to pick from:
Vokoun
Bryzgalov
Turco
Giguere
Theodore
Emery
Hedberg
Dan Ellis
Pascal Leclaire
Osgood (might retire)
Nabokov (might stay in Russia)
James Reimer (RFA)
Semyon Varlamov (RFA)
Get Emery!
30 mins ago
QuoteMRichie18
Tim Panaccio thinks I'm moody and withdrawn with him. Maybe because he writes articles that are no where close to being true
He also confirmed he's getting surgery on his hand tomorrow
Pronger's going under the knife again.
Something called a discectomy.
Quote from: Rome on May 11, 2011, 04:20:42 PM
Pronger's going under the knife again.
Something called a discectomy.
Back surgery - probably (hopefully) a microdiscectomy. I had one for a ruptured disc in my lower back a few years ago.
Snider did an interview with one of the Philly hacks today and whined like a fag about the goalies sucking in the playoffs.
Yeah, welcome to the party, asswipe. Nice of you to join us from the French Riviera or wherever the farg you've been for 30 years.
:-D Norman Braman?
They're gay lovers.
Obviously.
http://www.csnphilly.com/05/12/11/Sources-Flyers-to-host-Rangers-in-Winter/news_flyers.html?blockID=521730&feedID=704
1/2/12....Citizens Bank Park. Flyers vs. Rangers in the Winter Classic. Confirmed!
awesome
probably no shot at tix though
Kinda wished it was Flyers/Pens or Flyers/Devils, since I'm too young to really ever care about the Flyers/Rangers rivalry....but still awesome.
Here's hoping for snow in Philly on January 1st :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 12, 2011, 11:04:31 PM
awesome
probably no shot at tix though
i am pretty much guaranteed tix
question is will you go in or pass out in the parking lot
He's going to tailgate then on his way in decide not to go to the game because of his disdain for Flyers fans
Quote from: MDS on May 13, 2011, 03:31:40 AM
question is will you go in or pass out in the parking lot
coin flip
I guarantee one of you iceholes is gonna hook me up with a ticket.
IN.
Quote from: SD on May 13, 2011, 07:56:41 AM
He's going to tailgate then on his way in decide not to go to the game because of his disdain for Flyers fans
:yay
Steve Simmons in a Toronto Sun column:
QuoteTwo words for the Philadelphia captain, Mike Richards: Grow up
...which leads to fun on Twitter:
QuoteMRichie18
One word for Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun.....NERD!!
Quotesimmonssteve
When you take shots for a living expect them back. If @MRichie18 wants to be an important NHL captain he should act like one
NERD
NERDS! NERDS!NERDS!
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20110516_Gonzo___Richards_should_drop_the__C_.html
lol at taking anything gonzalez says seriously, biggest clown in the philly media
Pronger should wear the C, he's the true captain of the team. Richards was touted as the next Clarke but wilted under the pressure.
Goalie problem fixed..
Quote
FLYERS SIGN G HOVINEN TO ENTRY-LEVEL CONTRACT
The Philadelphia Flyers announced today that they have signed 6' 7", 200-lb goaltender Niko Hovinen to an entry-level contract, according to general manager Paul Holmgren.
Hovinen, 23 (3/16/88), played for Lahti of the Finnish Elite League during the 2010-11 season. He posted a record of 17-25-5 in 49 appearances, along with a 2.59 goals-against average, a .921 save percentage and three shutouts.
A native of Helskini, Hoivinen was a member of Finland's IIHF World Championship team that defeated Sweden 6-1 in the final on May 15. He was drafted by the Minnesota Wild in the fifth round (132nd overall) of the 2006 NHL Entry Draft, but never signed with the club.
I know that all the pads will help thicken him up, but 6'7"/200lbs is seriously thin. He'd make Pinkston look fat.
6'7? 200 lbs? OK. Must be a limber dude.
ha
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0154324a4af7970c-pi)
Nik Zherdev allegedly threatened to kill his wife outside of a Russian restaurant last night.
Methinks he might not be back.
Not only should they bring him back but they should also slap the C on his chest.
:-D
Jesus Christ, you're jaded.
Im sure he meant it too.
First farging thing Zherdev hit all year.
http://www.nesn.com/2011/05/rumored-photos-of-winter-classic-jerseys-for-flyers-rangers-making-rounds-on-internet.html
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c98/deadheadpunk/2012WCjersey.jpg)
farging mouthbreather.
tight butter jawnz
According to TImmy P the Flyers got Bryzgalov from Phoenix
Quote from: SD on June 07, 2011, 08:14:14 PM
According to TImmy P the Flyers got Bryzgalov from Phoenix
Official (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=565167).
Still have to get him signed, though. Otherwise, nothing changes.
Flyers GM Paul Holmgren: "We didn't make this trade to acquire his rights just to hang around, we're going to try our best to get him signed."
I guess the cap will raise a few million which helps. Leino doesn't get re-signed. Wish they could dump Shelly's contract. Goalies didn't get a lot last offseason but I'm sure Bryzgalov is going to command at least $4 million. Maybe Carle goes.
Quote from: SD on June 07, 2011, 09:00:59 PM
Flyers GM Paul Holmgren: "We didn't make this trade to acquire his rights just to hang around, we're going to try our best to get him signed."
I guess the cap will raise a few million which helps. Leino doesn't get re-signed. Wish they could dump Shelly's contract. Goalies didn't get a lot last offseason but I'm sure Bryzgalov is going to command at least $4 million. Maybe Carle goes.
Rumors were that he was demanding $6M from Phoenix. Whether that was just to try to force his way out of the desert or what he legitimately thinks he's worth, I don't believe he will be an easy sign.
If they do sign him, it may pave the way to trading Carter.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 07, 2011, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: SD on June 07, 2011, 09:00:59 PM
Flyers GM Paul Holmgren: We didnt make this trade to acquire his rights just to hang around, were going to try our best to get him signed.
I guess the cap will raise a few million which helps. Leino doesn't get re-signed. Wish they could dump Shelly's contract. Goalies didn't get a lot last offseason but I'm sure Bryzgalov is going to command at least $4 million. Maybe Carle goes.
Rumors were that he was demanding $6M from Phoenix. Whether that was just to try to force his way out of the desert or what he legitimately thinks he's worth, I don't believe he will be an easy sign.
If they do sign him, it may pave the way to trading Carter.
he didnt have to ask for an exhorbitant amount to get out of there...he is an unrestricted FA if he wants to be
basically the flyers now have to ask themselves what legitimate players would they have been willing to part with to acquire Z if he had been in a normal trading situation and then unload that player or players for junk
a buddy of mine not in favor of the deal said he hopes they give him a porsche as a welcome present. ha.
how could you possibly be that strongly against the deal before you even know who they have to give up
Quotebryzgoalie30
I went to Geno's and ate legendary pillycheesesteak! If you are there be sure to ask for new item on the menu phillycheesebryz
Supposedly he reached a verbal agreement on a 5/$27.5M deal but it won't be announced until July 1 because of the cap
When do they announce the new cap?
In Soviet Russia you don't eat legendary phillycheesesteak; legendary phillycheesesteak eat you!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 18, 2011, 12:49:16 PM
In Soviet Russia you don't eat legendary phillycheesesteak; legendary phillycheesesteak eat you!
:-D That joke never gets old to me.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 18, 2011, 12:03:29 PM
When do they announce the new cap?
I think some time next week since the draft is next weekend
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 18, 2011, 12:49:16 PM
In Soviet Russia you don't eat legendary phillycheesesteak; legendary phillycheesesteak eat you!
A+
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 18, 2011, 11:40:10 AM
Quotebryzgoalie30
I went to Geno's and ate legendary pillycheesesteak! If you are there be sure to ask for new item on the menu phillycheesebryz
Supposedly he reached a verbal agreement on a 5/$27.5M deal but it won't be announced until July 1 because of the cap
I can live with that
Ditto SD.
I'm hearing that there is no way Carter is dealt, because Homer LOVES him and will not let it happen. Who would that leave?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 19, 2011, 08:02:49 AM
Ditto SD.
I'm hearing that there is no way Carter is dealt, because Homer LOVES him and will not let it happen. Who would that leave?
El Capitan?
nah from what I'm hearing and all, Richards and Carter aren't going anywhere. So I guess maybe Leino doesn't get signed and they deal like a Carle and someone else?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 19, 2011, 08:02:49 AM
Ditto SD.
I'm hearing that there is no way Carter is dealt, because Homer LOVES him and will not let it happen. Who would that leave?
I think they move one of their Dmen, possibly Carle. I wasn't a Carle fan at first but he grew on me. Regardless...he's expendable. With a goalie as good as Bryzgalov (anyone else dreading the day we have to hear Jackson/Coates/the fans calling him 'Brizzy'?) I don't care if I ever see Hartnell/Versteeg/Shelly/Carcillo/Leino in a Flyers uniform ever again. I know some of those players are under contract but they're basically dead weight. Thankfully the cap is expected to raise $3 million this season meaning they don't have to shed as much salary as everyone thinks.
It's a shame the NHL doesn't have an escape clause for teams to rid themselves of zesty contracts.
I know it would be a way to circumvent the salary cap, but it would be nice and allow teams more flexibility in overcoming mistakes.
this is why rick tocchet is the greatest athlete of all time
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meathead ne philly hockey fans
SD, I am so absolutely excited to have him come here. It's like...a REAL goalie. I mean, this has been the missing piece forever and they're finally doing it. :crazy
Eskin* claims the Flyers are telling teams they have to take Versteeg in any deal if they want Carle or Coburn
(http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b01538f42075b970b-pi)
i believe this is your new goalie
I'd have to believe if one were to drop acid, this is what one would see.
All I see is a Cup
Has he actually won one?
his wife..if you're into that Russian type thing:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZZ-CqtHjAnk/TCQCa2CAk_I/AAAAAAAB4u8/Zf8MTqqO5LY/s1600/Zjenya+And+Ilya+Bryzgalov.jpg)
You mean hot and slutty and desperate to improve her station in life? Jeez who would be into that?
Russians have that slavic mongoloid thing going for them. She looks like she rolls from West Texas.
john wall in an interview yesterday.
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QuoteThe Flyers have agreed in principle with goalie Illya Bryzgalov worth a reported $7 million a year over seven years. The contract cannot be signed though until the Flyers maneuver under the NHL's $64 million salary cap.
7yr/$49mil, eh? Same deal they gave TO.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 22, 2011, 03:36:51 PM
7yr/$49mil, eh? Same deal they gave TO.
I look forward to Bryzvawhatever doing situps on his front lawn.
QuoteFlyers GM Paul Holmgren: "We are continuing to try and reach an agreement with Ilya, but it is safe to say that we are not close to achieving this."
that means it's done and they don't want to get in trouble for cheating the salary cap or cheating phoenix out of there conditional pick
possibly...or it means the 7 years $49 million being reported is what Bryzgalov is asking and the Flyers are offering less. Really not in favor of that deal.
who gives a farg about the money? they need a farging goalie.
they absolutely do but not at the expense of everyone else. if he flames out then they're farged for half a decade. i don't care about the money but the years makes my balls itch.
they know they have at most a year or two left of a healthy very good to great pronger/timonen/briere trio so they have to overpay for a goalie to go with this current roster....of course its a risk but its a risk you have to take...breezys deal wont be anymore of an albatross than pronger or brieres will be in a couple years...after almost a quarter century of sub standard goaltending they are finally making a power move for a guy in his prime who hopefully will win a cup for them...how can you argue with that...i mean you wanna go with bob next year because of how their cap might look in 2016?...eff that
Quote from: SunMo on June 22, 2011, 06:20:43 PM
who gives a farg about the money? they need a farging goalie.
They still have to add 3 forwards and a Dman. Just because they need a farging goalie that doesn't mean you have to over spend for the guy. Not to mention he'll be 38 when the deal expires. If they don't get him signed by July 1st who else is willing to give him that kind of money?
-- Laperriere won the Masterton Trophy
-- The Flyers open next season at Boston with all the ceremonies going on
Why do you even care how old he is at the end of it. This is about next year and the following year.
And I don't care if they have to trade Carle (expendable), Versteeg (stiff) or not re-sign Leino (average)
put a goalie with their team and you're SC favorites immediately.
Quote from: SunMo on June 22, 2011, 09:13:35 PM
Why do you even care how old he is at the end of it. This is about next year and the following year.
And I don't care if they have to trade Carle (expendable), Versteeg (stiff) or not re-sign Leino (average)
put a goalie with their team and you're SC favorites immediately.
They were SC favorites this past season. I don't mind ridding bad contracts, what I mind is Homer pulling his Dan Snyder routine of outbidding himself.
they should probably just save the money and go with boosh again
Quote from: SunMo on June 22, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
they should probably just save the money and go with boosh again
Or explore other alternatives considering the cap is raising $5 million.
such as?
you have a top 10 goalie in house right now. who's better?
Vokoun
Or maybe they let Bryzgalov reach free agency to let him see no one is going to pay $7 million a year for a goalie when salaries for goalies are on the decline
Pretty sure that whoever is supposed to be the goalie next year is going to get seriously injured anyway, so they might as well just go with Lightning Leighton.
Bob MacKenzie reporting Carter's been traded to Columbus
hopefully this years number one is involved
carter for jacob vorachek 1st and 3rd rounders
Good trade for both teams. I'm sad to see Captain Wrister go, but this is obviously a great sign on the Brzygalouduonbcewlncov front.
Voracek was the #7 overall pick 4 years ago, and the 1st this year is #8 overall
He looks like another 40-50 point guy with 15-20 goal potential. This team has like 7 of those types of players already but that's not such a bad thing. Considering the fact that everyone knew the Flyers were looking to dump salary, I'm pretty happy with what they're getting here.
Not a bad trade and the good news is they'll be able to sign Bryzgalov
more buzz (probably fake)
-- Richards to LA
-- Versteeg and Columbus' #8 overall to Florida for #3 overall
Getting rid of Carter AND Richards doesn't strike me as the best idea...
richards to toronto is hot also
either way they want the crybaby young drunks gone
Certainly appears that way.
I may cry. Someone hold me.
Richards to LA for Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and a 2nd-rd pick
unfarginbelievable
Simmonds is a brutha so igs approves
Schenn is a top 3 prospect in all of the NHL
Wow. They really aren't farging around.
wow getting schenn is huge
I would say that it's going to be weird seeing Richards and Carter in different uniforms but I never stay up to watch the Kings and the Blue Jackets are never on TV so I guess it's a non-issue.
Richards and Carter gone for Bryzgalov, #8, 2nd and 3rd round picks, Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and Jake Voracek...
On paper, I think they got better...I think.
fwiw, my buddy in LA has a friend who is a kings die-hard...he said this may turn out to be the worst trade in the history of their franchise.
If they dump Versteeg too, they'll have more than enough to re-sign Leino
Bryz signed apparently 9 yr $51 million.
NINE years? What the farg?
great cap number
Just read:
QuoteHearing the pick in Carter deal with Versteeg possibly to florida for 3rd overall?
so, the way things are now, does anyone know what the cap situation will be?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 23, 2011, 05:07:50 PM
Just read:
QuoteHearing the pick in Carter deal with Versteeg possibly to florida for 3rd overall?
that rumor is false from all the sources
Bryz's hit is about the same as Richards', so they've freed up Carter's salary (minus whatever these new guys take up) and got another $5M with the cap increase earlier this week, so I figure they have about $9M-$10M to play with....maybe more if Versteeg is dealt
brad richards?
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2011, 05:05:39 PM
great cap number
Well obviously, but the dude is signed until he's 40. Jesus.
Quote from: DH on June 23, 2011, 04:40:54 PM
On paper, I think they got better...I think.
There's no way we can say that at this point. They got one 40-50 point guy, one 30-point guy, a great prospect and some picks. There's a lot of potential there and they definitely got great value for what they gave up, but when you trade away 130-150 points and your captains, it's hard to really claim that they are better now than they were.
What they did do was allow themselves to sign a real goalie, give the C to Pronger and somehow they got even younger than they were. Those are all exciting. I'm just not sure that they're actually better right now.
they probably need a scorer now. some people say schein can probably play next year, others say no.
just go get farging Stamkos. he's a restricted FA
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2011, 05:10:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 23, 2011, 05:07:50 PM
Just read:
QuoteHearing the pick in Carter deal with Versteeg possibly to florida for 3rd overall?
that rumor is false from all the sources
Sorry, been away from computer all day, just trying to catch up. Thanks :)
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2011, 05:13:00 PM
they probably need a scorer now. some people say schein can probably play next year, others say no.
just go get farging Stamkos. he's a restricted FA
They definitely need a scorer. Whether Schenn can play or not is irrelevant, he isn't going to step on the ice and be Ovechkin. Or even Carter, for that matter.
Stamkos is about to sign a long-term deal with Tampa (and was just named to the cover of NHL12 last night)
a pylon could replace Carter in the playoffs
Truth.
This Stamkos thing is blowing up all over the place. LOL
i just hope they don't farg this up by giving up the #8 for some average veteran who can score a little bit or try to sign brad richards and kill your cap space.
Melrose was on the Fanatic and couldn't say enough good things about Schenn. Of course Melrose is known to exaggerate but other people are saying he's like a young Richards. He also said in his opinion part of this trade was due to locker room issues.
Richards was expected to be the next Clarke, and for a while he looked like it. But he wilted under the pressure.
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2011, 05:20:22 PM
a pylon could replace Carter in the playoffs
This made oatmeal stout come out my nose.
I still don't get this nonsense. Why the farg do they trade both of them? I can see clearing Carter out because they need the space but Richards was the FRANCHISE just a year ago.
are banner and reid running this team now?
stop trying to steal the sixers thunder iceholes.
schenn and #8 for stamkos
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do you have sources or are you just throwin that out there?
throwin it out there...will probably be more picks and maybe a player but its gonna happen
why the farg would tampa ever do that?
no chance.
Quote from: Rome on June 23, 2011, 07:18:41 PM
why the farg would tampa ever do that?
no chance.
It could happen... if the Flyers also threw in Giroux/JVR/5 1st round picks and the Liberty Bell
well something huge has to happen....they cant have a net loss of like 35 goals out of the lineup and not replace them
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 23, 2011, 07:31:32 PM
well something huge has to happen....they cant have a net loss of like 35 goals out of the lineup and not replace them
QuoteTSNBobMcKenzie
Bryzgalov gets $48M in first 7 years of deal. $2.25M in Year in 8, $1.25M in Year 9. Let's call it a 7 year, $48M deal. It's 9 yrs/$51.5M.
Here's Bryzgalov's year by year: $10M, $6.5M, $8M, $6M, $6M,, $5.5M, $5.5M $2.25M, $1.25M.
meh at that deal. There goes the cap space for anything big happening. I like their young core of centers but their D and goalie are cup run ready.
there goes the cap space? they still have like 8M available.
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2011, 07:42:33 PM
there goes the cap space? they still have like 8M available.
Probably closer to 6 or 7...does that get you a Stamkos?
oh, well if getting stamkos is the gauge of trades and signing bryzgalov then all the deals made today were horrible because, no, they can't get stamkos.
well who else is out there that will make a big impact? Brad Richards? Pass
Weren't we having this exact same argument yesterday in reverse?
probably. but, i just get the feeling you don't like Bryz.
are they going to be as good offensively with this current team? no. do they need to score as much with a top tier goalie? no.
they very well could just re-sign Leino and count on JVR and Giroux to keep progressing.
also, this just wasn't about cap room, you don't trade your captain for cap room, this was about changing the culture in the locker room. with the cap increase, they could have traded one other player and kept both Carter and Richards.
I love Bryz and I love that they finally got a stud goalie. No arguments from me there, the people who are hating on the Flyers deals aren't taking getting Bryz signed into consideration. I just hate the cap hit and the length of the deal.
I liked the Carter trade.
The Richards trade I'm not in love with. The hope is Schenn turns into Richards...so why even bother making that trade? I like that they're stocked with young guys but this team is built more so for a cup run than they are to rebuild with young guys.
richards has been putrid the past two years, combine that with the fact that he apparently has paper mache shoulders and can't get along with his coach, i can see why they traded him.
i didn't hear that schenn could turn into richards, but i heard he has 30+ goal scoring capability and is labelled as a stud by anybody who follows that sort of thing, I don't think you can say the same for Richards. also, don't sleep on the fact that today the Flyers unburdened themselves of 110 million in contract commitments to those two guys. with long assed contracts that turn into no movement contracts on July 1, 2012
Richards hasn't been putrid. He hasn't resembled the player we saw in 07/08 but he's still a lock to add 25 goals and was one of the best PK killers in the league. His per year cap hit wasn't bad for all that he gave the team. I do agree Pronger should be wearing the C and I think his presence had a lot to do with Richards change of attitude.
I've been scouring NHL boards to see what fans from around the league think and the general consensus is that Holmgren has lost his mind.
of course they think that, they don't live here to watch a miserable captain who doesn't talk to the media, doesn't get along with his coach, and doesn't work in the offseason to improve.
jesus, igy would've had richards' baby a few years ago and can't stand the guy now, that should tell you all you need to know
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2011, 08:13:22 PM
of course they think that, they don't live here to watch a miserable captain who doesn't talk to the media, doesn't get along with his coach, and doesn't work in the offseason to improve.
jesus, igy would've had richards' baby a few years ago and can't stand the guy now, that should tell you all you need to know
Quote from: SD on June 23, 2011, 05:40:24 PM
Richards was expected to be the next Clarke, and for a while he looked like it. But he wilted under the pressure.
I'm not saying he hasn't turned into a giant douche and I can't ever remember a Flyer who went from one of my all time favorites to a player who I despise in such a short period of time...but to me if the goal is to make the cup you keep players like Richards around, you don't trade them for a good prospect and a 3rd liner.
you think they didn't get enough? hell, i think they fleeced the Kings.
they got a top prospect and a winger for an oft-injured center who doesn't work on his game
I have no problem with the return long term.
But they finally address the biggest need on the team with a top 5 goalie, they already have one of the top D cores in the league, and even with the Carter trade their offense had depth at forward, so why move a great 2 way player who provides a shtein load of intangibles. Richards may be a douche but there were other ways of dealing with the situation rather then shipping him for players who might pay off in the future. To me if you think you're a cup contender - which the Flyers clearly do - then you keep a 26 year old forward who's a core part of your team.
yeah, i see what you're saying. i'm still gonna be ok with it and maybe they will surprise us again and make another move.
They kind of copied the Bruins with their D, a stud goalie, and young forwards. So there's that...
QuoteFlyers General Manager Paul Holmgren
Q: How did this progress so quickly?
"Well, I think probably what got the ball rolling for a lot of talk over the last 10 or 12 days was the acquisition of the negotiating rights for Ilya Bryzgalov. That set the wheels in motion. Most teams probably viewed us as trying to sign Ilya – we did come to an agreement today – and I think that got the ball rolling. I know over the last few days, I spent a lot of time talking particularly with both Los Angeles and Columbus, and that culminated in what happened today."
Q: How much confidence do you have in the leadership of guys like Claude Giroux and James van Riemsdyk in passing the torch to those guys?
"This is obviously a huge couple of moves today by our organization. Certainly the emergence of Claude over the last few years has been a factor. I think the ascension of James over the last part of the season and particularly the playoffs – I think we have two good young players there that are on the verge of doing even better things for our team. So that certainly was a factor, particularly Claude. I view Claude as sort of Mike Richards-like in his competitiveness and his ability to do a lot of things for us offensively and defensively. That really helped in that regard."
Q: Why both [Richards and Carter]? Could you have done one or was there a conscious effort to do both?
"Well this had nothing to do with the financial at all. What we did today was make two good hockey trades, in our opinion, and I think Columbus and Los Angeles would say the same thing. Both Mike and Jeff were good players for our organization and did a lot of great things, and we wish them both well. The players we acquired for those players are good players in their own right. We looked at our team at the end of the year and felt we needed to get bigger on the wing. I think with the acquisition of Jakub Voracek and Wayne Simmonds, both those guys are bigger wingers that can play in your top-nine mix of forwards. And perhaps the hidden gem in this whole thing is Brayden Schenn. In our opinion, he's one of the top, if not the top young player outside the NHL. So it kind of led to that. We had said for a number of years to our local guys that I really liked our team, and I still did, even a few days ago. Today we're a different team, and I really like this team, the way it's structured right now. Obviously, the ability to agree to terms today with Ilya was a big factor moving forward. We've solidified that position. Our defense remains intact, and we've made some changes up front where we have bigger wingers. We're ready to move forward. We have a little bit of freedom left in terms of the salary cap, which is nice. Right now we're in a position where we have acquired a high draft pick in this year's draft, so we're busy preparing for tomorrow and the first round of the draft."
Q: Do you see Schenn being able to step into your lineup next year?
"The guy that's really going to answer that is Brayden Schenn. We view him as one of the top young players not playing in the league. He's had a little bit of a taste with Los Angeles over the last two years, and he went to the American league last year and played some games at the end of the season. We'll see how it goes. He's going to come to our development camp in early July and obviously will be at training camp. I can easily say we think he's capable of doing it, but as with any young player, you never know until you get to that point. So he's going to be given every opportunity to make our team, for sure."
Q: Was there any discussion about moving Jeff or Mike before you acquired the rights to Bryzgalov?
"Well, again, I can remember having a couple conversations from other teams just looking around between the end of when we finished playing to the end of the Stanley Cup Final. The emergence of Claude may have put us in the position, but no real talks with any team until we acquired Ilya, and it just proceeded from there."
Q: At what point was that decision made that a once untouchable guy like Richards could be traded?
"We spent a lot of time talking internally since the end of the season. When you make a commitment to go out and acquire a goalie that you view as an upper-echelon goalie, you know you're going to have to pay him. So I think things at least internally here, what can we do to make this work financially, cap-wise... we started talking about some things, and some of the phone calls we received inquiring about what are you going to do if you do reach an agreement with Ilya, and things went on from that. I can reflect back on a lot of things. I do view Claude a lot like Mike. Did that make it easier to trade Mike? I guess, a little bit. Both these trades were very difficult for us to make, but at the end of the day, we do think we made good hockey deals and I'm sure LA and Columbus would say the same thing.
Q: This leaves you pretty young up front. Is this it for right now or do you still need to add some experience?
"Today was obviously a very busy day and a huge day for our franchise. We're busy preparing for the draft tomorrow. We have a high first round pick along with some other picks we didn't have 24 hours ago, so we've got our work to do over the next two days here in St. Paul, and we'll get together on our roster after that. But you're right in saying that we are younger up front. Any time you take out two 26-year-olds and you sprinkle in a 22, 23 and 20 year old, you're younger for sure. That'll be something we talk about once we get past the draft leading up to the July 1 free agency period."
Q: On the next captain – is it a wide open field?
"That's a good question. I can honestly say we have not once talked about that. There's some guys on our team that have been captain on previous teams they've been on. So we have some guys that certainly we could talk about. I haven't even broached the subject with Peter Laviolette and we haven't talked about any of that internally. It was a very busy few days here since I arrived in Minnesota, and as I said, we're shifting gears here. We're now focused on the first round and the following rounds for Saturday. We have lots of things to talk about once we get back to the office. So we'll see.
Q: Any discussions on who you might look at with that 8th spot?
"Our scouts have been meeting since they got here and I'll be honest, I haven't sat in on a whole lot of their meetings. I was at the combine earlier and we did interview a lot of players, including guys that we viewed as potential first round picks This is part of the process of preparing for the draft, and our scouts have been doing their due diligence. I think we're very well prepared. We'll spend some time tonight going over things and make sure our list is in order. We may even interview a few guys that perhaps we didn't get at the combine in Toronto a few weeks back, or maybe re-interview a few guys. We do have some work we're going to do before the first round tomorrow."
Q: Do you feel that all things being equal that there is an organizational need for depth?
"I know our lack of draft picks over the last few years would probably [inaudible], but I think we've done a good job acquiring a lot of free agents afterward who were undrafted. Eric Gustafsson, Mike Testwuide... we signed a couple guys this year, Tyler Brown, a big left winger that we really like. So we have added to our cupboard in terms of prospects. But again, the lack of draft picks has probably, I don't' want to say set us back, but would make the outsider looking at us think that way. But I think we've done a good job with these free agents in getting some of that back."
pretty shocking getting rid of carter and richards.. but hartnell had more goals than richards this year and both haven't done shtein in the playoffs so its whatever. they got good returns and received some much needed draft picks. i still think they have to add a scorer, their ready for a cup run right now. pronger get's the C, claude, JVR maybe briere are the A's.
I have a feeling that Lavy is going to shock everyone and put the "C" on Giroux.
And I still think getting rid of Richards had nothing to do with the hockey side of it. He's a good player who needed a fresh start elsewhere. Best of luck to him and Carter.
Quote from: Rome on June 24, 2011, 06:06:33 AM
I have a feeling that Lavy is going to shock everyone and put the "C" on Giroux.
And I still think getting rid of Richards had nothing to do with the hockey side of it. He's a good player who needed a fresh start elsewhere. Best of luck to him and Carter.
The Richards change started roughly around the same time the team acquired Pronger. I don't think that was a coincidence.
little revisionist history going on...richards was absolutely fabulous during the '10 stanley cup run....in the playoffs and with pronger
richards is just completely immature...i know you are young and like to go out but a college fraternity party?...really?
as a captain he basically refused to talk to the media...thats just unacceptable and childish in that position...the tweet wars with pannacio were the cherry on top...they guy just didnt get it...richards and carter were best friends and the leaders of the bar hopping gang so they cut the dragon off at the head...dont forgte too upshall was the first shot over the bow of these guys...that didnt work so they went for the leaders
dont underestimate the contract too...he had one of the depiatro type deals and i doubt the flyers wanted any part of that anymore
What these Canadian hicks fail to understand is you NEVER win a war with a columnist or beat writer because they always have the last word.
And the uglier it gets, the better, because ugly sells.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2011, 07:06:00 AM
...dont forgte too upshall was the first shot over the bow of these guys...that didnt work so they went for the leaders
upshall AND lupul
they had two warnings and didn't change
Phil Sheridan:
QuoteI would have hated to be the guy who had to call Carter with this news. For a guy who seems to get the most out of living in a lively city like Philadelphia, a trade to Columbus has to sting. Even with all those Ohio State kids around, this seems more like a punishment than a simple trade. When he heard his pal Richards was going to Hollywood, it must have been twice as painful.
There's rumors on another board from people supposedly "in the know" that it was mainly off-ice concerns that got Richards traded. They aren't coming out and saying it, but reading between the lines suggests some kind of substance abuse - whether alcohol or other drugs isn't described - that was related to all the "maintenance days" Richards got towards the end of last season.
Mere speculation - take it for what it's worth.
kinda hard to believe LA wouldnt have background that shtein to death...i suppose its possible but more than likely its just immaturity
ill tell you what what a ballsy move by homer tho because the downside to this huge...its completely possible that this is a career changing slap in the face to richards and that combined with being away from his runnin buddy it completely changes him for the better
rumor going around that the flyers are giving #8 and either versteeg or carle to colorado for the #2 pick
:yay
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/frequentflyers/Flyers-are-not-done-yet.html
So... ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnV7fuxnz8#t=21s)
Somebody on Wikipedia really wants Steven Stamkos to play for the Flyers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamkos)
A little while ago, one of my good friends was looking through all the old gamelogs of when he played junior hockey. Turns out that about 10 years ago in one of his games, his team lost 3-2 where Stamkos had a had trick for the other team.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 24, 2011, 07:06:00 AM
little revisionist history going on...richards was absolutely fabulous during the '10 stanley cup run....in the playoffs and with pronger
richards is just completely immature...i know you are young and like to go out but a college fraternity party?...really?
as a captain he basically refused to talk to the media...thats just unacceptable and childish in that position...the tweet wars with pannacio were the cherry on top...they guy just didnt get it...richards and carter were best friends and the leaders of the bar hopping gang so they cut the dragon off at the head...dont forgte too upshall was the first shot over the bow of these guys...that didnt work so they went for the leaders
dont underestimate the contract too...he had one of the depiatro type deals and i doubt the flyers wanted any part of that anymore
I actually credit the Flyers for giving both guys the contracts they did. It was their way of saying "we're making our commitment to you, now you need to make your commitment to us".
I was chatting with a co-worker today about what it would take to get Stamkos. I know it's a pipe dream but I was thinking Shenn, the 3 picks they received yesterday, Carle and Versteeg and maybe something else. Doubt the Lightning would do that trade but I thought I'd throw it out there.
i dont know anyone who questioned the deals at the time...im just saying now they dont look so good
I wasn't a big fan of the deals at the time because I thought it would make it hard to move them if they ever needed to. Obviously I was wrong.
I hope they put an offer sheet out to Stamkos. Forfeit the 4 1st round picks if need be. Stamkos is worth it.
Quote from: SD on June 24, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
I wasn't a big fan of the deals at the time because I thought it would make it hard to move them if they ever needed to. Obviously I was wrong.
I hope they put an offer sheet out to Stamkos. Forfeit the 4 1st round picks if need be. Stamkos is worth it.
Yeah, I thought that it would be hard to trade both contracts - much less within an hour of each other.
And yes, sign Stamkos - give him whatever they can. More than likely TB matches anyway, but give it a go.
those contracts are easy to move if the players have value and they usually do because the only players getting those deals are young talented guys...there is always a market for those kinds of players...the one caveat being injury
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 24, 2011, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: SD on June 24, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
I wasn't a big fan of the deals at the time because I thought it would make it hard to move them if they ever needed to. Obviously I was wrong.
I hope they put an offer sheet out to Stamkos. Forfeit the 4 1st round picks if need be. Stamkos is worth it.
Yeah, I thought that it would be hard to trade both contracts - much less within an hour of each other.
And yes, sign Stamkos - give him whatever they can. More than likely TB matches anyway, but give it a go.
Lecavalier is making $10 million per season so paying Stamkos roughly the same money would tie up 1/3 of their cap with just two players.
Flyers are up
Flyers pick forward Sean Couturier. He was slated as a top 5 pick but slipped. BPA.
Best Pick Avar (sic)?
With the 68th pick, the Flyers select center Nick Cousins from the Ontario Hockey League
take it for what it's worth, but there are a couple of different nhl guys from canada saying that the Flyers are going to make an offer to Stamkos, 10 years for $100 million.
They traded Powe for a third rounder and offered an extension to Nodl.
Stamkos is looking more and more like it might be what they are aiming for....
the minute carter and richards were traded it was obvious stamkos was the target....unless you are a small market team or in full rebuilding mode you dont take 50 goals out of your lineup and not replace them
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 28, 2011, 09:30:06 AM
the minute carter and richards were traded it was obvious stamkos was the target....unless you are a small market team or in full rebuilding mode you dont take 50 goals out of your lineup and not replace them
I agree, and have said this from that point...however, I've been told I'm an idiot over it a ton of times LOL
Unless you're counting on your young guys and your new goalie to make up the difference.
Quote from: Rome on June 28, 2011, 01:51:33 PM
Unless you're counting on your young guys and your new goalie to make up the difference.
carter had more goals last year than all three guys they got combined....thats not even counting richards
if you are rebuilding maybe you go with unproven guys over 30 and 40 goal players but when you just signed a goalie to a monster deal that doesnt exactly signify rebuild mode...if that was the case youd give the full time job to bob
Mark Howe voted to HoF '11 :yay
Quote from: SunMo on June 28, 2011, 08:26:58 AM
take it for what it's worth, but there are a couple of different nhl guys from canada saying that the Flyers are going to make an offer to Stamkos, 10 years for $100 million.
IN
The 4 first rounders are insignificant since they never use them anyway. Not to mention there's enough young developmental talent on the roster after the trades.
Tampa has said they will match any offer, but they could match and still trade him for a package better than 4 1sts.
JVR
Coburn
2 1sts
will that get it done?
might have to put in Schenn or Coturiere
Tampa should have no problem matching. They're like 23 million dollars under the cap.
It's a pipe dream.
Quote from: Rome on June 28, 2011, 08:20:27 PM
Tampa should have no problem matching. They're like 23 million dollars under the cap.
It's a pipe dream.
Good thing for you Tampa fans!
Quote from: Rome on June 28, 2011, 08:20:27 PM
Tampa should have no problem matching. They're like 23 million dollars under the cap.
It's a pipe dream.
they also have a bunch of unsigned players and a cash liquidity problem. i agree that the chances are he stays, but its not a mortal lock.
Don't get me wrong, Sunny. I'm hoping for a miracle. But letting Stamkos go would be like Pittsburgh letting Cindy go or the Caps letting Captain Eurotrash go. It's just unthinkable from their perspective.
Tampa is already paying Lecavalier $10 million per season for a long time, I don't know how happy they'd be tying up 1/3 of their cap on 2 players.
normally rome, you're exactly right. they've just farged up their cap so bad with Lecavalier's awful contract, including NMC so they may not have a choice.
Quote from: SunMo on June 28, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
Tampa has said they will match any offer, but they could match and still trade him for a package better than 4 1sts.
JVR
Coburn
2 1sts
will that get it done?
might have to put in Schenn or Coturiere
If they match, they can't trade him for a year.
Servalli thinks the Flyers will make a run at Stamkos
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20110629_Sources__Flyers__interest_in_Stamkos_heats_up.html
Carchidi thinks they won't
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20110629_Inside_the_Flyers___Stamkos_to_Flyers__phattymattyaboutit.html
I didn't think that the Flyers would have the cap space to do this - and even after the Richards/Carter trades, I thought they would look at Brad Richards or Cole with any money they had left over, and that they wouldn't get caught up in the Stamkos RFA stuff. But, where there's smoke...
If they are truly hard after Stamkos, it's like a poker player going all in. If they get him, fantastic. If they don't, though, it could preclude them from getting any UFAs of note. Tampa has a week (after July 1) to match, and if they take their sweet time to make the cap space to do so, it could screw the Flyers over pretty good.
Carchidi is going off of Flyer's sources not common sense.
Since when do the Flyers ever reveal ANYTHING? Please.
flyers are arguably the best organization in all of sports so stamkos could easily tell tampa that he doesnt wanna sign with them and to let him move on...tampa is certainly not in a good money situation (they lost 25 mil last year) but its not all about money
Some producer for 620 in TB is reporting that he's been resigned
Quote@AnthonySan37 I'm told that if the Flyers decide to give Stamkos an offer sheet it's for $115 mil over 12 years with a full no-trade.
This would make up for the 2002 NFCCG.
On second thought, no it wouldn't.
Quote from: DH on June 29, 2011, 01:46:28 PM
Some producer for 620 in TB is reporting that he's been resigned
false
The more time that elapses the worse off I think the Flyers are. I think the reports of them being conflicted are true. On the one hand Stamkos is incredible, on the other hand that's a lot of cap space to tie up and there are players like Giroux and JVR who are going to need contracts one day.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 29, 2011, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: DH on June 29, 2011, 01:46:28 PM
Some producer for 620 in TB is reporting that he's been resigned
false
The fact that he reported it was not false at all actually.
LOL I meant HIS report, dummy
Duh
i fully expect pg's next post to be all four philly teams won their league this year....and she will believe it
LOL @ Seravalli:
QuoteFor those saying that the Flyers are considering a sign and trade with Stamkos, I don't see it at all. Time to move on.
Season's over?
I guess their next best option is Leino and Eric Cole.
San Filippo
QuoteFLYERS VICTIM OF JAGR BOMB?
Just got off the phone with someone I trust.
I was told Jagr has already told Lemieux that he's going to sign with Pittsburgh and that the Penguins have a huge front page for their Web site ready to go live at Noon tomorrow with a big "welcome home" theme.
Why the delay then?
From what I was told Jagr's agent Petr Svoboda may have been trying to lure another team into offering Jagr a bit more money so he can put a PR spin like "I turned down more money to come back to Pittsburgh."
Is it possible the Flyers are that team?
Maybe. Maybe not. There is no evidence that the Flyers even made an offer, although they have discussed the possibility.
But if it's true, it wouldn't surprise... Jagr needs to make a splash after being gone for three years.
However, Jagr is aloof enough that maybe, just maybe, he's changed his mind.
Get some sleep tonight. Tomorrow is going to be cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
Coburn signed a 2 year extension that starts in 2012
Rumor is that Handzus is coming back and they may be in play for Jagr
Handzus is signed, the Coburn extension is not quite true
Don't care about Handzus at all. He makes up for Richards defensive ability a little bit, but I'm hoping there's another move coming. I'll take Cole.
now they are saying Handzus is not signed.
the internet is neat
Philadelphia Flyers
Per Flyers GM Paul Holmgren: The Philadelphia Flyers have agreed to a contract with free agent RW Jaromir Jagr.
Christ.
No farging way. That's hilarious.
he can probably give them 20-25 goals but it is just farging weird
I just find it hilarious because the Pens fans on my facebook are going nuts right now.
yeah, that's the best part
1 year/3.3 mil
:-D
the money is irrelevent because they aren't signing a huge name this year. 1 year is perfect though
Go Rangers.
QuoteThe Flyers have agreed to a contract with free agent D Andreas Lilja and signed RW Jakub Voracek to a contract extension.
Lilja is awful.
Jagr should at the very least help the PP. We'll see what he has left in his tank while I hold my nose and cheer.
Hopefully it means no Handzus. So there's that as well.
Jagr pretty much says bye to Leino too....which REALLY pisses me off
http://www.csnphilly.com/07/01/11/Now-a-free-agent-Flyers-Leino-hits-the-m/news_flyers.html?blockID=538686&feedID=704
Can Jagr wear another name on his jersey so I can pretend I'm rooting for someone else?
Leino wanted 4 years at 4+million, totally overvaluing himself and not worth it.
he's an ok player, but nothing special.
Quote from: SunMo on July 01, 2011, 01:55:21 PM
Leino wanted 4 years at 4+million, totally overvaluing himself and not worth it.
he's an ok player, but nothing special.
Agree with this.
Sean O'Donnell left for Chicago
That's not an actual person.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 01, 2011, 01:54:26 PM
Can Jagr wear another name on his jersey so I can pretend I'm rooting for someone else?
Lindross?
QuotePhiladelphia Flyers
The Flyers have agreed to a multi-year contract with free agent C Max Talbot.
5 years/ 9 mil
So they took all that money they freed up and signed and/or traded for a bunch of middle of the road, 20-25 goal scorers to go along with the rest of their team...a bunch of middle of the road, 20-25 goal scorers.
Bryz+Giroux and JVR better be in beast mode this season.
Haha jagr. That's awesome. Nhl 98 what
Actually, forget the Penguins reaction, it might be worth it for igy's reaction. Nothing says eurotrash quite like
(http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Jagr.jpg)
Boucher to Carolina...2/$1.9M
Erik Cole (rumored as a possible Flyer) to Montreal...4/$18M
Leino to the Leafs (rumor)
Versteeg to the Panthers for a 2nd and a 3rd
damn, Leino to Sabres for 6 years/$27 million
that is way too much for him
after seeing what some other guys like Ryder and Cole got...Jagr's 1 year for 3.3 is a bargain
Quote from: SunMo on July 01, 2011, 04:14:32 PM
damn, Leino to Sabres for 6 years/$27 million
that is way too much for him
Whoa. WAY too much for him. I mean, I wanted them to sign the guy but jesus that's a lot more money than I ever thought he'd get.
Quote from: SunMo on July 01, 2011, 04:00:05 PM
Versteeg to the Panthers for a 2nd and a 3rd
I know they wanted to dump him, but I actually thought he fit in well with this team. Would have liked them to get a little more for a player that is good at everything even if he was great at nothing.
i hope they didn't trade versteeg to free up salary for Leino. they had to have had a reason because otherwise they are short a winger now
6/27 for leino is hysterical.
Leino laughing all the way to the bank, that's for sure.
what a joke of an offseason....holmgren literally just making moves just to make moves
jagr was a complete piece of shtein chain smoking team killing no defense playing selfish piece of shtein when he was on the rangers....now hes going on 40 with three extra skill eroding years gone by?....this will def end well....at least it will be fun listening to homerrific flyer fans defend the move....the same fans who were destroying him when he was on wash and ny
this is why they traded richards and carter?...wtf....i was in favor of moving them if they had a solid plan b....but this is a joke..i mean jody shelley scores almost as much as maxime talbot
it better come out that carter and richards both have ALS or holmgrens head has to roll
Well, either that or Bryz shuts the door all season long.
Haha I agree with igy but it was worth it for that reaction.
The Carter trade I didn't mind, they freed up space to sign Bryzgalov and they got some decent talent in return. The Richards trade was retarded, they received an average winger and a guy who might turn into Richards. What's the point of that move?
Talbot's whatever, he fills a need.
I'm glad they signed Jagr because Pens fans are pissed, but really he's a 3rd liner who might give them 20 goals. He's basically this years version of Zherdev.
I would have kept Versteeg considering they didn't even get a first back for him. Like rjs said, maybe he's better a year in the system.
The Leino deal is absolutely absurd.
Quote from: SD on July 01, 2011, 06:30:06 PM
The Carter trade I didn't mind, they freed up space to sign Bryzgalov
dont fall for the okey doke...they easily could have signed breezy by getting rid a a few hideous middle level players
when you get rid of carter and richards you better be gettng stamkos or some huge high profile guy or else why the farg do it
richards
carter
versteeg
leino
for
breezy
hairy armpits
talbot
schenn
simmonds
voracek
if you are gonna rebuild then rebuild
if you are gonna remake the team to win a cup this year then remake the team to win a cup this year
but for god sakes dont do neither
if rebuilding was a 1 and winning the cup next year a 10 then their offseason was about a 4
Breathe, dude.
lol
you farging breathe....ill keep caring about my team
actually scratch that....you stop breathing
and dont call me dood
Brad Richards or Simon Gagne on the way?
When do pitchers and catchers report?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 01, 2011, 07:37:47 PM
Brad Richards or Simon Gagne on the way?
Gagne is one sneeze away from being a vegetable and I like Richards playmaking ability but he's already 31.
So sign him to an 8-year deal, and he'll be Jagr's age when it's over.
They don't have room for Richards.
yes they do actually
there's another big move coming sometime. they didn't trade versteeg so they can leave a top 9 forward position weak.
the talbot move is a good move, he's a fourth liner who checks hard and gets under the other team's skin.
jagr may be good or he may be awful, you can't call it before you watch them play.
they could be done and i'm still happy that they got rid of the two locker room cancers.
Quote from: Rome on July 01, 2011, 08:11:02 PM
They don't have room for Richards.
They can make room...I'd rather they not.
Richards wants big money. How can they afford that? Moreover why would they want him? He's totally wrong for them.
Quote from: Rome on July 01, 2011, 08:27:39 PM
Richards wants big money. How can they afford that? Moreover why would they want him? He's totally wrong for them.
jagr is more wrong for them than carter and richards combined and they traded both of them for him
getting b richards wouldnt even be a second thought for this team right now in terms of how right or wrong he is for them
lots of Twitter buzz that Gagne is back
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 01, 2011, 11:00:45 PM
Quote from: Rome on July 01, 2011, 08:27:39 PM
Richards wants big money. How can they afford that? Moreover why would they want him? He's totally wrong for them.
jagr is more wrong for them than carter and richards combined and they traded both of them for him
getting b richards wouldnt even be a second thought for this team right now in terms of how right or wrong he is for them
This was my argument to my dad last night when we talked about it. He said he loved it, but I said they replaced 2 YOUNG locker room cancers for an old washed up one.
Maybe it's just me but the last thing I'm worried about with Jagr is him being a locker room cancer. He's 39, it'll be his first year on the team, and he hasn't played stateside in the past 3 years. My point is with Richards and Carter their locker room issues were intertwined with the rest of the team because they were raised from the ground up, Jagr is just some washed up player whose role is a lot less than either Richards or Carter's was. Even if his attitude is an issue it's only a one year deal.
And for igy's sake I'd just like to reiterate I'm not for or against the move, Jagr is Zherdev to me.
The problem IS, they needed to address the things that were lost ON the ice with Richards and Carter....and even if Gagne is signed, they didn't even come close to addressing that.
The only person who disagrees with that is sunny
Signing Jagr is pretty much the definition of a can't miss move. If he plays great, Holmgren got a star for peanuts. If he plays like shtein, everyone expected it so no biggie there either.
Like everyone else I love the signing just because I knew Havas would have a farging kitten over it.
Quote from: Rome on July 02, 2011, 07:28:35 AM
Like everyone else I love the signing just because I knew Havas would have a farging kitten over it.
I'll drink to that.
And this:
QuoteVille Leino signed a contract that pays him $900,000 for each of his 30 total NHL goals.
Saw this pic and chuckled a little...
(http://img3.yardbarker.com/media/6/8/68a99e522a7d762037deffdf8c6f138fd92f1576/footer_story/jagr.jpg)
Possible new avatar, I'm thinking...
I was pondering scenarios in my head and was wondering why didn't the Flyers just offer Richards/Carter up to Tampa for Stamkos? You get a bonafide superstar and still have money left over to use towards Bryzgalov. If Tampa says no you sweeten the pot a little with Bob or some picks.
If Tampa can't afford to sign Stamkos then how would they be able to take on the contracts of Carter & Richards?
Maybe Stamkos likes Jersey chicks and Bud Light Lime even more than those guys.
Jagr jerseys on sale in NYC already (http://twitpic.com/5k4axc)
so are brad richards jerseys
Did he sign with NY yet?
9/60
Quote from: SD on July 02, 2011, 07:18:59 AM
The only person who disagrees with that is sunny
disagrees with what? i've already said they need to do something else for the offense, especially since they traded versteeg, you don't trade him for picks to not make another move.
as for jagr, i am ok with the deal. there is no chance a 39 year old player on a one year contract can be a cancer, if he is, they waive him and the problem is solved. he should be excellent for the power play, especially playing with giroux.
talbot is an upgrade from betts on the 4th line, and is a great pk guy.
they aren't done...and if they are, i'll rip them. but it's day farging 2 of free agency.
also, when everyone talks about how many goals they have to make up, don't forget they signed a top 10 goalie.
They were Cup worthy if they added a goalie. So what do they do? Add a goalie then tear the team apart. Holmgren is a farging idiot.
lol he's such an idiot that he took over the worst flyers team in history and made them a cup contender. pretty sure he has more of a clue on what he's doing than you do.
Gagne picks LA over the Flyers....2/$7M
lol^^^^
I don't blame him, LA is going to be great next season.
Quote from: SunMo on July 02, 2011, 02:57:20 PM
lol he's such an idiot that he took over the worst flyers team in history and made them a cup contender. pretty sure he has more of a clue on what he's doing than you do.
He took over a team with a ton of cap space and two picks in the first round including the #2 overall. Big whoop. He made some decent trades but it took him 4 years to actually address the goalie issue. He's had his good moments but he's also had his bad moments.
And I was referring to you being for the Richards trade earlier. You're the only one who defended it.
lets get this straight jagr is an on ice cancer first which in turn makes him a locker rom cancer....hes doesnt care about winning or defense or going all out....he floats arounds the ice disinterested and scores 25 goals on pure talent all the while making his team worse
now heres the great part about this...he did this at age 36....which was THREE years ago...so erode his 25 gols how you see fit....oh but now hes a flyer so somehow he will play like hes 24 again
there wasnt a single flyer fan who didnt absolutely destroy jagr when he was a cap and ranger for being a POS team destroyer....the question now is how many flyers fans have no problem with this move....whatever that number is is the amount of stepford frauds are in their fanbase
Quote from: Rome on July 02, 2011, 02:46:41 PM
They were Cup worthy if they added a goalie. So what do they do? Add a goalie then tear the team apart. Holmgren is a farging idiot.
this pretty much sums it up...get breezy...disown versteeg and a couple other scrubs and go for the cup next year...because thats about all you have left of pronger and timonen at a stanley cup winning level...if that doesnt work then blow it all up and rebuild
what i dont get as i mentioned a few days ago is why go in between those two things...you blow the team up but you arent really rebuilding either...you cant half ass it the way they have and expect all these different parts to come together and win a cup for you...you have washed up old veterans in jagr mixed with unproven promising guys who still need to get aquanited to the nhl in schenn mixed with youngish "veterans" from different systems and programs in vorcek talbot and simmonds
it just makes absolutely no sense to expect ll those different parts to magically come together and win a cup
the only reason they got jagr is because they jacked up ticket prices this year and you cant combine that with trading the teams two most popular players....so they got jagr to sell tickets as a "big splash" move...but and i really hope im right about this the flyer fanbase is more knowledgable than that and wont go for the old okey doke
They probably traded Richards because they knew once they dealt Carter he'd become a whiny bitch since he lost his Sea Isle/Old city buddy.
Last I checked, both guys disappeared in the playoffs so they shouldn't really be affecting the Flyers ability to win a cup.
they made the cup with them 13 months ago...so im pretty sure they might have some affect...and im also pretty sure they have a better chance with them than with maxim talbot and jaromir jagr
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
they made the cup with them 13 months ago...so im pretty sure they might have some affect...and im also pretty sure they have a better chance with them than with maxim talbot and jaromir jagr
JVR's emergence this post season made one of them expendable.
Holgrem realized that they are both farging fairies and one would be miserable without the other. Hopefully Jeff enjoys chasing around the skanks in Colombus.
Quote from: Hawk on July 02, 2011, 05:21:53 PM
JVR's emergence this post season made one of them expendable.
first of all id love to know what jvr did that was so great this last playoffs...how many pts did he have?....carter had 6g 5a in the playoffs a few years ago and scored more pts in the regular season than reemer could ever dream of but somehow reemer is a revelation that allows the team to make stupid moves but cater is a pos...i cant wait till reemer is a full time first line nhl'er to hear what you say about him making 40 goal scorers expendable
farging moronic sports fans that throw out stupid parallels like this make me wanna punch the air out of their solarplexis
ill play the 12 year old sports fan game for a minute tho....lets say what you are saying makes any sense and if you look at the numbers it doesnt...you are just going with the made up notion that reemer was some sort of wunderkind this past offseason...but that aside lets say reemer is some sort of nhl revelation...which would be awesome if it comes true...we all agree and i hope to god it does
well then what the farg could be better than
reemer the GOD - giroux - carter - richards....can you imagine your hero reemer and giroux pushing two young players as good as carter and richards down a line or two.....or would you rather have
reemer the GOD - giroux - jagr - schennseems to me having this new found stud reemer would be an incredible thing to go with two other young guys (richards/carter) who are proven yet have faults than have a disgrceful fossil paired with a couple young guys who have done little and have faults (jagr/simmonds/voracek)
basically this would be like the eagles trading pimp and mack for TO julio jones and justin forsett
I see the young guys (read: JVR and Giroux) taking a step back this year as a result of this clusterfarg.
(http://media.philly.com/images/070211_jvr-giroux-simmonds-400.jpg)
fail fail PASS
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 02, 2011, 09:15:11 PM
I see the young guys (read: JVR and Giroux) taking a step back this year as a result of this clusterfarg.
i dont think giroux will...hes farging legit and the real deal....but this reemer hype is outrageous and he will be exposed
JVR will be very good, he's just not ready for star status yet.
JVR flat out dominated during the playoffs this year, even when he wasn't scoring. I'm not saying he's definitely going to be the next star.....but you can't deny how farging legit he looked during the playoffs. He seemed like the only Flyer that showwed up
Quote from: SunMo on July 02, 2011, 02:57:20 PM
lol he's such an idiot that he took over the worst flyers team in history and made them a cup contender. pretty sure he has more of a clue on what he's doing than you do.
Yeah, he's done a great job. That parade was awesome. Unforgettable.
Jackass.
Holmgren's best move wasn't even a player transaction, it was firing Stevens and hiring Laviolette.
There is simply no logic to any of the moves he's made other than signing the Russkie.
They received good compensation for Carter, and his time here was done...plus that freed up space to sign Bryzgalov. I'm extremely happy he's gone considering the crybaby act he's put up ever since the trade. The other moves were baffling. The Richards trade was especially idiotic considering they traded for a guy who's ceiling is Mike Richards. Simmonds is a dime a dozen player and they'll probably waste the second on some 7th defenseman or some Carcillo type at the trade deadline.
All of the moves were brilliant if for no other reason than it inspired this drama queen meltdown from you weirdos.
Of all the things I'd never thought I'd see, this would rank pretty near the top or bottom of the list:
(http://2.cdn.nhle.com/flyers/images/upload/2011/07/thumb_1309638051937_314121.jpg)
words cant really describe how sick that makes me feel
unless i can ride shotgun in an 88mph delorean to 1999
you should like him you czech half jew
some rusian guy told me jagr is on the flyers. what. farg that douche.
still waiting for the flyers power move....
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 04, 2011, 08:15:10 PM
still waiting for the flyers power move....
Jagr was their power move.
At my family 4th of July BBQ it's amazing how every family member had the same negative opinion on the Jagr signing and their offseason.
i can only imagine the collection of grease that is the mannaiguido family picnic
we'd make our ancestors proud
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2011, 05:02:06 PM
lets get this straight jagr is an on ice cancer first which in turn makes him a locker rom cancer....hes doesnt care about winning or defense or going all out....he floats arounds the ice disinterested and scores 25 goals on pure talent all the while making his team worse
you just described jeff carter
i guess i shouldn't be surprised, considering the phillies thread, but the level of ignorance when it comes to sports here is baffling.
as many faults as carter has hes still a twenty six year old 40 goal scorer who is coming into the prime of his career
jagr was a has been three years ago
thats not a good trade off if you ask me
it's a good trade off to get rid of that stupid contract i said they never should have given him.
and as you should know, 40 goals in the regular season isn't dick when you don't do shtein in the playoffs
farg carter and farg richards...they could've been all time greats in this city and they took it for granted. they didn't work on their game or get stronger. carter farging smoked for christ sake.
getting rid of the pampered babies to were set to lead this team was the right move. you don't want giroux or jvr thinking that is the way you handle things in philadelphia.
getting rid of them is fine
replacing them with jaromir jagr and a bunch of unknowns is not
they aren't done yet.
which is why i said still waiting for their power move....
when stevie stamkos is in orange and black next year, will you tell me i'm right?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 23, 2011, 07:13:32 PM
throwin it out there...will probably be more picks and maybe a player but its gonna happen
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inqflyersreport/Flyers-to-pursue-Stamkos-after-all.html
if those numbers are what they are offering are even close to true then back the farging truck up for this guy
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 05, 2011, 12:25:29 PM
if those numbers are what they are offering are even close to true then back the farging truck up for this guy
So, to be clear...
They need to sign Stamkos or someone of his ilk for you to be happy (and as an added bonus, you are all ready to claim that you called it). But the cost is too high, so you ultimately will complain about the move?
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 05, 2011, 12:25:29 PM
if those numbers are what they are offering are even close to true then back the farging truck up for this guy
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 05, 2011, 01:02:39 PM
So, to be clear...
the cost is too high, so you ultimately will complain about the move?
the cost is too high?....what on gods earth are you talking about
your reading comprehension skills would improve vastly is you actually read peoples posts instead of spazzing out flying off the handle and trying to post cute nonsense
there is no price too high for this guy
Quote from: SunMo on July 05, 2011, 09:16:51 AM
i guess i shouldn't be surprised, considering the phillies thread, but the level of ignorance when it comes to sports here is baffling.
thank goodness we have someone like you here to help us change our ways.
oh, you'll never change, i understand that. it's just fun being proven right every time.
I'm not hip to today's finest slang. "Back the truck up" sounds like stopping and reversing field (thus taking a pass). I am assuming that in this context, it means back up the armored truck full of coin for this homey.
So, offseason is massive fail without Stamkos and semi-win with? I need to be educated here. I don't inherently like the Jagr move, but I love that the team finally has a damn goalie. Please tell me what my opinion should be, as I'm lost in my own thoughts otherwise.
Quote from: SunMo on July 05, 2011, 01:25:41 PM
oh, you'll never change, i understand that. it's just fun being proven right every time.
Change how, Carnac? The moves Holmgren has made since he took over as GM have led to exactly zero titles. But we're supposed to trust that THESE moves will bring a Cup to Philly? Since when is trading your #1 goal scorer & captain ever been a good idea?
Whatever, though.
Shouting down anyone who has doubts is definitely the best way to spur debate.
oh, i didn't realize that "Holmgren is an idiot" was your debate platform.
well done.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 05, 2011, 02:24:34 PM
I'm not hip to today's finest slang. "Back the truck up" sounds like stopping and reversing field (thus taking a pass). I am assuming that in this context, it means back up the armored truck full of coin for this homey.
So, offseason is massive fail without Stamkos and semi-win with? I need to be educated here. I don't inherently like the Jagr move, but I love that the team finally has a damn goalie. Please tell me what my opinion should be, as I'm lost in my own thoughts otherwise.
getting stamkos would be a massive...it would mean they got a real goalie and one of the three best players in the nhl in the same offseason
even without stamkos you can argue that it was a wash...i dont agree with that....but with him its a ridiculous win
If they get Stamkos and don't have to depart with Giroux I'd call this offseason a major success and would gladly take back everything I've said about Holmgren. And no way Stamkos is accepting 5 for $37.5 million when he knows damn well he can get more...restricted free agency means next to nothing, all he needs is for another club to make an offer. If his agent was smart he'd be drumming up interest from other clubs.
QuoteIt's likely Tampa would be interested in Brayden Schenn and Sergei Bobrovsky -- among others -- and high draft picks.
bob for stamkos would be sure to thrill the lightning fans
They don't have fans.
i thought romey loved the lightning or am i thinking of the magic
Magic.
I love Minnie Mouse. She does things for me.
So farg off.
Quote from: Rome on July 05, 2011, 02:44:35 PM
Quote from: SunMo on July 05, 2011, 01:25:41 PM
oh, you'll never change, i understand that. it's just fun being proven right every time.
Change how, Carnac? The moves Holmgren has made since he took over as GM have led to exactly zero titles. But we're supposed to trust that THESE moves will bring a Cup to Philly? Since when is trading your #1 goal scorer & captain ever been a good idea?
Whatever, though.
Shouting down anyone who has doubts is definitely the best way to spur debate.
Richards was a fradulent captain, clearly shown by how split the locker room was. Perhaps if Carter and Richards weren't going to frat parties and dreaming about their summers in Sea Isle, this team would have won the cup the last ywo years. Good riddance, and when the team signs Stamkos, maybe the incessant whining will end.
bryz wit
(http://media.philly.com/images/goalie.jpg)
I wonder if they told him English only motherfarger
Quote from: SD on July 06, 2011, 07:42:46 AM
I wonder if they told him English only motherfarger
lol well played
mickey fickey
hes white so hes ok for joey vento
Quote from: SD on July 06, 2011, 07:42:46 AM
I wonder if they told him English only motherfarger
:-D
This looks pretty cool...
(http://akamai.edeal.com/images/catalog1230/folder105931/img9985509.jpg)
Actually it's unabashedly hideous. But I dig it.
"Dry Island" and other stuff that got the roster overhauled (http://www.crossingbroad.com/2011/07/welcome-to-peter-laviolettes-dry-island-the-place-that-may-have-gotten-mike-richards-and-jeff-carter.html)
Trenton Titans are back as the ECHL affiliate.
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lol
(http://www.maxtalbot.com/img/banners/home-pic.jpg)
I thought GRIT was trademarked by :CF
we should sue
Grit, Choke, Pineapple Head don't mess with the :CF
PhillyGameday:
QuoteGood gawd....can you imagine if Flyers pulled off Steven Stamkos?
I'd explode.
Carcillo rips the Philly media (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/7088705-419/hot-corner-one-on-one-with-blackhawk-daniel-carcillo.html)
QuoteIs the Philly media as tough as they say it is?
Yeah. It's ridiculous. . . . If you lose, people look for excuses, and they nitpick. They make stories out of nothing. It's unfortunate. That's just the way it is. It's kind of their culture. People are kind of outspoken and rude.
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/687346/Ilya-Bryzgalov-Flyers-Mask.png)
Quote
Wayne Simmonds says he can't wait to get his Flyer career going.
He admits life in Philadelphia is a tad different than that in Hermosa Beach, where he lived a few blocks from Kings assistant coach and ex-Flyer head man John Stevens.
"Fans are totally into hockey here. This is such a different environment," Simmonds said. "I'm really pumped to play in this city.
"The day I got traded, Justin Williams called and told me how much I was going to love playing in Philadelphia. Not that I didn't like L.A., but you got the Lakers, you got the Clippers and then you got the Kings. Hockey is big here."
Simmonds admits he was always a closet Flyer fan as a kid.
"I loved watching Eric Lindros play," he said. "That Legion of Doom line with John LeClair, they were special."
as a kid, he remembers watching players that i liked, as a teenager.
old.
Quote from: SunMo on August 30, 2011, 08:35:43 AM
as a kid, he remembers watching players that i liked, as a teenager.
old.
I was already married. Sigh...
JVR just signed a 6 year contract extension.
farging flyers trying to steal the eagles thunder!
under 4 million average per year
Incredible deal for the Flyers if he builds on the end of last season even a little bit.
Holmgen was hospitalized after a serious bike accident. Broken ribs, broken shoulder and stitches...
a plane carrying a the KHL Team Lokomotiv crashed and everyone died except one person who they aren't identifiying.
Brad McCrimmon was the coach of the team and was on the plane.
now they are saying 34 of 37 dead, 3 survivors
Pavol Demitra confirmed dead as well
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/pavol-demitra-among-43-killed-in-russian-plane-crash/article2156297/
alexander karpatsev also
farg, really? Horrible day.
3pm on WIP...Mark Howe will be on to talk about #10
Let's go Flyers! (NSFW) (http://www.totalprosports.com/resize/0x546/rc/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Sports-Body-jersey-Paint-18.jpg)
im the king of being late on the internets but that post makes me look like nostrodamus
Oh, I just didn't like the depressing tone the thread had taken on.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Dynamo-Minsk-8217-s-hockey-funeral-for-L?urn=nhl-wp12157
QuoteChris Pronger took to the ice for a 25-minute skate on Friday and he was able to take some slap shots.
However, he isn't sure if he'll be ready for the regular season opener. "We'll see how I feel tomorrow," he said. "Having not skated and done anything on the ice in four and a half months, you have to take it slowly and see how you feel day to day. I felt pretty good out there, but usually the first time on the ice is when you feel good _ and then it's day two, three, four and five where you're a little suspect, so we'll see how it goes tomorrow." The veteran defender said his surgically repaired right hand felt completely healed, but he'll probably need a couple weeks before he will be able to practice with the team.
as far as im concerned pronger can sit till christmas....i dont want his old ass playin 75 games this year...let the team gel...then when you get him back around mid season it will be like pulling off a big trade
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 10, 2011, 08:58:12 AM
as far as im concerned pronger can sit till christmas....i dont want his old ass playin 75 games this year...let the team gel...then when you get him back around mid season it will be like pulling off a big trade
Agreed. They showed him skating this morning on sportsrise and this is what went through my head. They're going to make the playoffs even if he doesn't play this season, and home ice advantage in hockey isn't worth the fight.
Pronger was named captain today with Briere and Timmonen as the alternates.
Why isn't Bryz playing tonight?
briere is gonna play with voracek tonight....i think/hope these two will be a great pairing this year leading to a huge bust out season for voracek
btw here is the lineup....
Andreas Nodl - Danny Briere - Jakub Voracek
Scott Hartnell - Claude Giroux - Tomas Hyka
Max Talbot - Brayden Schenn - Matt Read
Ben Holmstrom - Blair Betts - Jody Shelley
Kimmo Timonen - Erik Gustafsson
Oskars Bartulis - Braydon Coburn
Kevin Marshall - Andrej Meszaros
Starter: Ilya Bryzgalov
Backup: Jason Bacashihua
Worst ever
One of the fans in London ONT threw a banana at Wayne Simmonds when he was about to take his shot in the shootout
maybe he was cramping up?
Quote from: SunMo on September 23, 2011, 09:03:03 AM
maybe he was cramping up?
Your non-miserable attitude is non-refreshing.
Nice flippy floppies, JvR! (http://yfrog.com/nw8dptvj)
their game tonight is on versus
Jagr looked pretty good (2 goals and an assist)
and after the game, purse-buyin Sean Avery claimed Simmonds called him a f*g
Is the NHL really investigating the claim??? Avery tattle-telling was really a fag move.
So apparently Bob has only let 1 goal in 151 minutes in the preseason so far.
grasping for something positive
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2011-10-04/rangers-place-sean-avery-on-waivers/50657250/1
Bwahaha
bottom of that article says the flyers waived blair betts
in fact - betts - bartulis - walker - all waived
schenn sent to adirondack
Csn was reporting the other night that the 18 year old 1st rounder was goimg to make the final roster
he did
and Schenn's bonus drops $1.4M if he spends one day with the Phantoms then gets brought right back up
I was about to respond with something indignant directed at the flyers, but Ed stepped in just in time.
If Schenn is the cornerstone of the Richards trade and he ends up spending significant time with the Phantoms I might have some slightly negative things to say about the Flyers brass. Might. Slightly.
courterier will be back in juniors after his ten game trail is up and schenn will be brought up at that point...schenn was less than impressive in camp but he also missed the last few games with a shoulder injury....they wanna see how the "kid" does while they are allowed to have him up and then they will move onto schenn
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 04, 2011, 05:40:06 PM
courterier will be back in juniors after his ten game trail is up and schenn will be brought up at that point...schenn was less than impressive in camp but he also missed the last few games with a shoulder injury....they wanna see how the "kid" does while they are allowed to have him up and then they will move onto schenn
This. Unless Courterier just shines in his 10 games with the Flyers, he'll go back to junior when that time is up, and we'll see him next year.
I like what I've seen from Courterier but igy's scenario is the most likely. Hope Schenn isn't one of those guys who can't make the transition to the pro's, haven't been overly impressed with him either.
doing a lot of preseason hockey analysis are you?
Quote from: SunMo on October 05, 2011, 08:29:31 AM
doing a lot of preseason hockey analysis are you?
Preseason Pavel Brendl mania still haunts me.
Betts was claimed by Montreal
Bartulis got through and is back with the Phantoms
Quote from: SunMo on October 05, 2011, 08:29:31 AM
doing a lot of preseason hockey analysis are you?
sure...Jagr's on pace for 82 goals
someone start the season thread gat dammit
So. Giroux is off to a nice start.
You know these games count, right?
Yeah yeah die in a fire etc etc.
I think I get more pissed off at hockey refs than any other sport.
There wasn't any bias in the game at all because Vancouver got jobbed on some first period penalties, but every game which starts with one team getting an advantage in power plays will ALWAYS even itself out by the end (especially if the team who had more calls against is losing). Every time.
Is the season over already?
oops. just saw this was the flyers thread at the top and posted in it.
refs blow. offseason observation. good to go.