:deion
:crazy
1 game back.
Clemens' hammy must really be injured for him to miss a start now. I wonder if he may miss more than that.
Opportunity beckons for the Fightins! :yay
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 24, 2005, 11:55:09 AM
Clemens' hammy must really be injured for him to miss a start now. I wonder if he may miss more than that.
Opportunity beckons for the Fightins! :yay
He's a hoyda.
A postgame quote from Charlie:
Quote"It's like Yogi Berra said....it ain't over until the fat lady sings."
??? :-D
(http://chronic1.football.sportsline.com/images/news/phi.gif)
:-D
Here's the article that Phreak was talking about: Howard is starting.
QuotePhillies Notes Howard's stock gets a boost
Even with a lefty pitching, he'll probably start tonight.
By Todd Zolecki
Inquirer Staff Writer
CINCINNATI - Could one at-bat make such a difference?
Maybe.
The game-winning grand slam by Ryan Howard off Atlanta's John Foster on Wednesday not only represented his first major-league homer off a lefthander, but it might have made him a more serious rookie-of-the-year candidate.
And it might have even earned him a start against a lefthander this weekend at Great American Ball Park.
Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said before last night's game against the Cincinnati Reds that he expected to start Howard tonight against Reds lefthander Eric Milton. He said it was because of the way Milton pitches, referring to his release point among other things. But in reality, it was probably because Milton has allowed 40 home runs and because the Reds' park is a bandbox.
"It's all a matter of getting experience against lefthanders, just trying to get used to it," Howard said. "It's just being patient."
Recently, Manuel has started Ramon Martinez at first base against lefthanders because Howard is batting just .119 (7 for 59) with 30 strikeouts and five RBIs in his career against lefthanders.
"It's really all about seeing the ball and getting comfortable," Howard said. "I'm not even worried about it."
Howard's stance has changed in recent weeks. He is standing more upright, with the idea that it lets him see the ball better.
So far, so good.
"I'm still kind of searching for whatever feels good," Howard said.
NL East anybody?
The Phils' chances of winning the National League wild card look better their chances of winning the NL East, right? Well, Major League Baseball thinks they have enough of a chance to win the East that it held a coin flip yesterday to determine the site of a potential one-game playoff between them and the Braves.
The Phillies entered last night four games behind the Braves with nine to play. If the teams are tied on Oct. 2, when the season ends, they will play on Oct. 3 at Citizens Bank Park.
Abreu hurting.
Bobby Abreu's left thigh is so sore that Manuel had some concerns about the rightfielder's chances of scoring from second base on a single Thursday in Atlanta. Don't be surprised if he is replaced by a pinch-runner in some key situations.
No Martinez. The New York Mets said Pedro Martinez won't start against the Phillies on Tuesday at Citizens Bank Park if they are mathematically eliminated from postseason contention. That is likely.
Phillies Notes
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For coverage,
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com/phillies.
Tonight's Game
Phillies (Brito, 1-1) at Reds (Milton, 7-14), 7:10.
Abreu is such a slacker. He hasn't missed a game all year and now he's whining about his leg that he can barely walk on?
How dare he!
Lazy farg just doesn't want to run hard.
Abreu doesn't care if he wins. He cares about his numbers and getting his paycheck.
Quote from: MDS on September 24, 2005, 02:14:55 PM
Abreu doesn't care if he wins. He cares about his numbers and getting his paycheck.
I know...he completely didn't run hard enough on that single the other day...even IF he was limping terribly and looked like he was in a world of hurt. He just doesn't care at all.
Did you see that lame attempt at arguing those terrible strike calls? NO veins popping out of his next, no spittle, nothing!
Lame. Slacker.
Did anyone get their playoff tickets yet? I'm in for game 3 :paranoid
Astros won 8-3. Thanks Dusty & Zambrano...farg heads.
Pat Burrell shaved his head and Harry is lusting over "a guy who doesn't have to do anything to make himself look better". But since Harry is a player with the over 50 crowd, he knows all about impressin the ladies.
Brito's gotta come up huge tonight.
Wheels used to hook Harry up with interested ladies at games :-D
Brito cant throw strikes right now :boom
Or last game either.
Why isn't Tejada pitching? I have far more faith in him than I do in Brito.
crazy btm of 1st...alls said its 1-0 reds
The Phillies are losing 1-0 and they farging suck dick!
:boom
Where are you lame asses? :-*
We have better things to do on saturday nights! Like...sporatically posting here, but watching the game.
Please put in Tejada or (insert any other pitcher not named Lidle here).
I just have no confidence in Brito.
Quote from: MDS on September 24, 2005, 07:47:40 PM
We have better things to do on saturday nights! Like...sporatically posting here, but watching the game.
I hear ya. Lesbo porn is so addictive.
:-[
Is this team really being shut out by Eric Milton through six?
Please tell me this is a Chinese-food/MSG-induced hallucination.
I just got some chinese food. Temple Star on Broad and Diamond. Cheap and good. :yay
3-0. Yea, runs.
3-1 Phillies. Bell might be God but Pratt is Dionysus.
:-D
farging Martinez got one right in the wheel house from Milton and popped it up to left to end the 7th.
Still 3-1 Sillies.
:P
Farging Martinez is on the bench for a reason. He's farging mediocre.
If farging Burrell misses that pitch, I'll farging kick his ass.
Just getting back from the movies. Saw "Flightplan", and what a piece of shtein that was. Other than the score, how are the Phils looking tonight?
Rollins.
:yay
Chippin away but time runnin out
One more to 40. Abreu sacrificed him in. Looks like they're starting to get the smallball down. :yay
One more to 30, and it was Victorino.
:P
Hmm....gamecast said Rollins stole third, his 39th stolen base.... ???
One more to what?
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on September 24, 2005, 09:57:23 PM
Hmm....gamecast said Rollins stole third, his 39th stolen base.... ???
Yahoo says 39, too.
3-2 loss.
farg.
must win tommorrow. must lose for houston.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on September 24, 2005, 09:57:23 PM
Hmm....gamecast said Rollins stole third, his 39th stolen base.... ???
:-D
I thought you meant his hitting streak. My apologies.
Nice game last night, shteinholes. >:(
Absolute, total MUST EFFIN' WIN today.
Yea, no doubt. I've got the DVR at home today, baby. Major flipping back and forth.
MUST end today 1 game back... :evil
JRoll homers to lead off the game. 30 games and a 1-0 lead ;D ;D ;D
Utley with an inside the park homerun. Bums up 4-0! Stros down 1-0.
Phils win 6-3
Cubs up 1-0 in the 6th
Everythings coming up roses......
Cubs retake lead 3-2!
CUBS WIN! 1 back! :yay
I luv me sum Cubs.
Oswalt vs Morris
Backe vs Carpenter
Seo vs Myers
Zambrano vs Lieber
Trachsel vs Padilla
;D ;D ;D ;D
I think things will be tied going into the final 3 games.
As for today, it was pretty simple. Offense capatalized on rallies except for stranding Rollins on a leadoff triple. Lidle pitcher very well, Urbina and Wags shut em down at the end.
We only have three reliable members of the pen, who I presume we will run into the ground these last games. Fultz, Urbina and Wagner. They better be ready everyday.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 25, 2005, 06:15:54 PM
Oswalt vs Morris
Backe vs Carpenter
Seo vs Myers
Zambrano vs Lieber
Trachsel vs Padilla
;D ;D ;D ;D
No Pedro?
All RHP. Effective Howard, ineffective Bell. :)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 25, 2005, 05:55:19 PM
CUBS WIN! 1 back! :yay
(http://www.pitt.edu/~mrmst55/caray6.jpg)
Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
I was flipping back once in awhile but only saw about 6 minutes of the game. Good to see they pulled it off today and that the Harry Caray's won. We'll need STL to beat 'em and then have the Cubs take it to 'em again.
I figure the Astholes go 4-2. Can our Sillies go 5-1 or 6-0? Um...SURE AS LONG AS WE HAVE SUPERSTAR MVP #1 DINGER HITTER DAVID MICHEL BELL.
Supposed to be crappy weather here tonight. I hope they can get the game in.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 26, 2005, 03:48:22 PM
Supposed to be crappy weather here tonight. I hope they can get the game in.
Rita remnants.
:puke
They'll get it in. New York isn't off on Thursday and they don't want any DHs...
Saturday's game is now a 4pm one on FOX... :P
Damnit. Saturday is the only day I actually get school work done. Now I'll have to shift everything.
Wah.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 26, 2005, 05:38:43 PM
Wah.
You know you love them so stop denying it.
Closet Phillies fan.
Rollins HR to lead off.
;D
Rollins RBI double.
:o
Slow down a little Jimmy. Save some of that for the playoffs because if you go "0 for the series" I'm going to kill you. ;)
That bull is on fire.
If Myers blows this lead I'll kill him.
There's the error on Bell I've been waiting for.
Quote from: MDS on September 26, 2005, 10:21:09 PM
That bull is on fire.
If Myers blows this lead I'll kill him.
>:D
Listening on mlb.com, how bad was that error by Utley?
3 run inning and now it's tied at 5. :boom
Good god our entire season rests in the hands of Maddson - cyanide please.
I feel sorry for you guys who stayed up on the East Coast for this, 12:22 AM.
Urbina might have just blown the season. Well done. :yay
farg! Almost Victorino.
Well this is it. We gotta win this thing to be 1/2 game out. Mets are loving this. I keep thinking even if the Phils were playing the spoiler and out of the playoff hunt they'd still find a way to yak.
Anybody awake?
Rollins - take the walk for god's sake! Strike out. shtein.
Wheels STFU!
Utley!!!
He makes up for tht error (temporarily) by doubling with 2 outs in the b9th.
COME ON BOBBY A!
OK Utley - you're outa the dog house. Abreu - yikes.
Bobby A is getting the IBB....Burrell is 0-8 off of Blowberto.
COME ON PAT! Just a little gapper to score Utley and tie it up.
Walk um and pitch to Burrell so we can all watch him take all three pitches(strikes)looking.
Unfargingreal! >:( >:( >:(
Pat chck swings a dribbler back to the mound.
WAY TO EFFING CHOKE< JERKOFFS.
NICE ERROR, UTLEY. NICE PITCHING UGIE.
Farging terrible. Losers.
Burrell you are such a fargin hack. Give me a break.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I luv me sum Mets.
omg, that was certainly worth staying up for. A first pitch check swing dribbler back to the mound, and he jogs it out. that blows goats. the fans looked pretty juiced too ... happy tuesday. :P
I'm opening up a good bottle of Merlot and get drunk. Only 6:51 PM HST.
farg a duck!
:-D Losers.
Burrell totally blows in clutch spots. We knew they wouldn't go 6-0 in these last games, but this was one was a joke. I figured they'd go 4-2, cause were just not the type that sweeps series.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on September 27, 2005, 12:49:49 AM
I luv me sum Mets.
Eat shtein Astroglide luvr. ;)
On a related note, I absolutely hate small town news programs. The local ABC affiliate just reported during their late night news broadcast that the Phils are leading the Mets in the 7th inning. Um, the game's over ya jackass. :boom
The Phils will never win a title in the rest of their existance. Just sell the team to another city already. This town would be so much healthier without a baseball team. All the stress that this team gives people. They are losers and they will always be losers.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 12:52:01 AM
:-D Losers.
Burrell totally blows in clutch spots. We knew they wouldn't go 6-0 in these last games, but this was one was a joke. I figured they'd go 4-2, cause were just not the type that sweeps series.
I totally agree with you. 4-2 was very realistic. 5-1 would have been amazing. 6-0, I'm not even going to go there as monkeys might fly out of my ass. Tonight just sucked. What a collapse.
Quote from: Don Ho on September 27, 2005, 12:54:13 AM
monkeys might fly out of my ass.
You've got flying monkeys in your ass?
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 12:53:12 AM
The Phils will never win a title in the rest of their existance. Just sell the team to another city already. This town would be so much healthier without a baseball team. All the stress that this team gives people. They are losers and they will always be losers.
I was listening outside in my patio on my wireless laptop and I am sure my neighbors heard every F bomb I dropped.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 27, 2005, 12:55:28 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on September 27, 2005, 12:54:13 AM
monkeys might fly out of my ass.
You've got flying monkeys in your ass?
Tonight they felt like wolly mammoths!
If it makes anyone feel better, for the first time in awhile, the Phillies are one of the 4 best teams in their league. Too bad the NL West is allowed a playoff team.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 12:56:51 AM
If it makes anyone feel better, for the first time in awhile, the Phillies are one of the 4 best teams in their league. Too bad the NL West is allowed a playoff team.
Doesn't make me feel better at all. Does make me wish the Sillies were in the NL West though.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 12:56:51 AM
If it makes anyone feel better, for the first time in awhile, the Phillies are one of the 4 best teams in their league. Too bad the NL West is allowed a playoff team.
I actually like the Padres but that is so wrong that they might go into the playoffs under .500. :boo
Padres had a chance to basically win the division tonight and blew it to the Giants. I'm hoping the Giants get in so Bonds will be the center of attention, he'll act like the jerk that he is and hide behind a national tradgedy, then get blasted in public.
It's like that in every sport. The only reason you don't bitch about it in football is the Eagles are good every year. If the Phillies were fully dedicated to winning you wouldn't even have to worry about it. The Braves win the division every year, but get smoked in the playoffs every year. Why? Because they suck. They are overrated. It's easy to overtake the Braves. Why haven't the Phillies done it? Because the management doesn't know what the hell they are doing.
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 01:03:18 AM
The Braves win the division every year, but get smoked in the playoffs every year. Why? Because they suck. They are overrated. It's easy to overtake the Braves. Why haven't the Phillies done it? Because the management doesn't know what the hell they are doing.
that would make sense if the Braves hadn't won the division 80 years in a row. Stop sniffing glue. The Braves are a very well run organization who makes the playoffs every year.
i hate the Braves, but you can't knock em for not winning the World Series every year.
Not only do they not win it every year, but they get upset by a wild card team almost every year. They underachieve when it counts.
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 01:10:05 AM
Not only do they not win it every year, but they get upset by a wild card team almost every year. They underachieve when it counts.
In recent years I'd say they've overachieved during the regular season rather than underachieve during the playoffs. But regardless of whether or not they are over or underrated, they've won like 14 division titles in a row and that's nothing to be ashamed of. Could you imagine the Eagles winning the NFC East 14 years in a row? I'll be flat out amazed if/when they get #5.
I'd rather blame the Phillies for the Braves success instead. It's more fun, and makes more sense.
I'm going to take a page out of the Raiders and taterskins fan's book and blame it on the league, the umps and the schedule.
I hope you're happy MLB, you've done it. You've beaten the Phillies again and kept them from succeeding. Wah, wah, wah. The Phillies are the awesomest and you know it and you're just keeping them down. Wah, wah, wah.
Wow, I hit the rack early tonight because I'm on duty and have the Midnight to 4 AM watch, figuring a 4-1 lead was safe. Boy was I wrong :-\
Seasons over. :evil (The evil :evil icon represents the Grim Ripper coming to take our season away)
Woof.
If Houston loses tonight and the phils win, they're back 1 game behind and the Astros have to play 4 more against the Cubs.
Bye bandwagonerse.
stupid farging chokers.
and people like Wagner wonder why the fans boo. i don't know, maybe it's because you blow a 3 run lead in the 8th inning to a team who is just playing out the string.
farging chokers.
I's just about over. Oh well, its been a good ride. Well, not really. But hey, at least Wade is getting fired. I hope.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 08:18:58 AM
I's just about over. Oh well, its been a good ride. Well, not really. But hey, at least Wade is getting fired. I hope.
They are 1.5 games back w/Houston still to play the Cards and Cubs again.
Cards have nothing to play for, and the Astros are a good home team. Would not shock me if they went 5-1. I'm worried, but I'll still waste 3 hours of my life watching the game tonight. I no off jump teh wagonband.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 09:55:20 AM
but I'll still waste 3 hours of my life watching the game tonight.
Sadly, so will I.
And its a little late in the season to come with the 'bandwagon' comments...don't ya think?
yawn, when do the Flyers start.
Quote from: MURP on September 27, 2005, 11:16:03 AM
yawn, when do the Flyers start.
About the time I start watching them and you complain. :P
Alright you two, we don't need your inside relationship jokes here. This is serious Phillies talk.
blame PG.
Serious Phillies talk.
"They're done"
"It's over"
;)
You are wasting precious pages in this season thread. And so am I. But thats why I'm putting a stop to it. Get back on track, focused on discussing how much Billy Wagner will whine about booing, and when Burrell will shtein his pants next in a clutch situations.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 11:33:31 AM
You are wasting precious pages in this season thread. And so am I. But thats why I'm putting a stop to it. Get back on track, focused on discussing how much Billy Wagner will whine about booing, and when Burrell will shtein his pants next in a clutch situations.
I think Wagner was dead on. Sorry, but I do.
I still think the Phillies will win the wildcard. Who's with me!?!?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 27, 2005, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 11:33:31 AM
You are wasting precious pages in this season thread. And so am I. But thats why I'm putting a stop to it. Get back on track, focused on discussing how much Billy Wagner will whine about booing, and when Burrell will shtein his pants next in a clutch situations.
I think Wagner was dead on. Sorry, but I do.
Probably, but we don't need to hear him bitching about it every day. I'd still take him back over option #2, blown save master Ugy Urbina.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 27, 2005, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 11:33:31 AM
You are wasting precious pages in this season thread. And so am I. But thats why I'm putting a stop to it. Get back on track, focused on discussing how much Billy Wagner will whine about booing, and when Burrell will shtein his pants next in a clutch situations.
I think Wagner was dead on. Sorry, but I do.
Probably, but we don't need to hear him bitching about it every day. I'd still take him back over option #2, blown save master Ugy Urbina.
Kinda like he doesn't need to hear the fans bitching everyday?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 27, 2005, 07:56:34 AM
If Houston loses tonight and the phils win, they're back 1 game behind and the Astros have to play 4 more against the Cubs.
Bye bandwagonerse.
the bandwagoners make up about 80% of the fanbase.
Quote from: NGM on September 27, 2005, 11:37:38 AM
I still think the Phillies will win the wildcard. Who's with me!?!?
Me.
Quote from: NGM on September 27, 2005, 11:40:09 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 27, 2005, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 11:33:31 AM
You are wasting precious pages in this season thread. And so am I. But thats why I'm putting a stop to it. Get back on track, focused on discussing how much Billy Wagner will whine about booing, and when Burrell will shtein his pants next in a clutch situations.
I think Wagner was dead on. Sorry, but I do.
Probably, but we don't need to hear him bitching about it every day. I'd still take him back over option #2, blown save master Ugy Urbina.
Kinda like he doesn't need to hear the fans bitching everyday?
Exactly.
Oh boo farging hoo. An athlete has to listen to fans of a zesty team whining about them underachieving for the 10th year in a row. Ugh, I think I'm gonna puke.
Yea were allowed to bitch. And I bitch on a message board. If Wags comes here and reads my bitching, well, thats really strange and kinda cool at the same time. Obviously, rjs has a better chance of being happy than that being true.
i'm half and half on Wags' comments. on one hand, he is right, why do you go to the games if you are unhappy with the team. if you spend the money to go, you might as well just cheer them. i am not happy with the team, so i don't go. however, i don't need to hear him whining about it, just shut up and try not to serve up anymore gopher balls to your buddies on Houston.
also, Phillies fans are amongst the dumbest around, there is such a lack of understanding of baseball among the fans at the games and that call WIP. people are calling WIP and bitching that Wagner should've started the 8th inning, that is just stupid. and from people calling for Thome to move to 3rd and for Utley to play center, it's almost comical if it wasn't so embarassing.
People on WIP are retarted. Everytime something goes wrong in a game, they think of some illogical route Manuel could've gone and whine that he didn't do it. Wagner has pitched pretty much every game on the road trip, and now he needs to go 2 inning? Urbina was effective as of late, but Manuel is supposed to look into his magical crystal ball and forsee him blowing the game.
Yea, makes sense. Urbina cost them the game. Plain and simple.
partially Urbina, but who knows what happens if Utley makes a routine play
It's 6-5 runner at 3rd 1 out for Floyd. Good chance they get at least 1 to tie it.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 27, 2005, 11:44:47 AM
Oh boo farging hoo. An athlete has to listen to fans of a zesty team whining about them underachieving for the 10th year in a row. Ugh, I think I'm gonna puke.
I'm just saying who wants to be booed? I can understand him lashing out.
If they don't want to be booed they should win something. Ever. Or hey, how about this, just get into the playoffs with your massive payroll. Or even better, just blow the team up and forget that baseball ever existed. We'd all be better off.
Napalm.
Good crowd tonight...gotta root for Saint Louie.
The LaRussa's do have something to play for, MDS --knocking the Astros and Pettitte, Clemens and Oswalt out of the playoffs. The team that took them to game 7 in the NLCS last year.
Hey...that Inside Edition bitch is hawking peanuts at the ballpark tonight. :-D :-D
Phils down 1-0 already.
:yay
Bottom 1ST B:0 S:1 O:1
Jimmy Rollins grounds out, third baseman David Wright to first baseman Mike Jacobs.
Bottom 1ST B:1 S:1 O:2
Kenny Lofton flies out to left fielder Cliff Floyd.
Bottom 1ST B:0 S:0 O:2
Chase Utley hit by pitch.
Bottom 1ST B:4 S:2 O:2
Bobby Abreu walks. Chase Utley to 2nd.
Bottom 1ST B:3 S:3 O:3
Pat Burrell strikes out swinging.
:-D
You're right. Game's over. First inning and they're down. Forget it. SHutting it off.
Debrah Norville. No suprise she isn't touching Ashbourne Alley or the upper level. Stay down low with the classy fans, keep it safe toots.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2005, 07:33:50 PM
Bottom 1ST B:0 S:1 O:1
Jimmy Rollins grounds out, third baseman David Wright to first baseman Mike Jacobs.
Bottom 1ST B:1 S:1 O:2
Kenny Lofton flies out to left fielder Cliff Floyd.
Bottom 1ST B:0 S:0 O:2
Chase Utley hit by pitch.
Bottom 1ST B:4 S:2 O:2
Bobby Abreu walks. Chase Utley to 2nd.
Bottom 1ST B:3 S:3 O:3
Pat Burrell strikes out swinging.
:-D
Typical.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 07:36:21 PM
Debrah Norville. No suprise she isn't touching Ashbourne Alley or the upper level. Stay down low with the classy fans, keep it safe toots.
Yeah...like the cretins in the upper deck know who she is. Hell, I know I wouldn't. I only knew because Harry said it. Harry's probably got LA scouting her out for a rendezvous at the Holiday Inn Stadium after the game is over.
"You know, LA...I'd like to get a piece of that. Make it happen."
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 27, 2005, 07:35:14 PM
You're right. Game's over. First inning and they're down. Forget it. SHutting it off.
::)
Jose Reyes should b beaned in the head.
He's killing the Phils tonight. And payback should be taken out on his ass for Jimmy gettin a head shot last night.
Double for Reyes...
Marlon Anderson continues to kill...
single...reyes scores
2-0 Muts
FARGFARGFARGFARG.
Beltran doubles...Anderson scores.
Jesus farging Christ.
Time for Fido yet, Jay?
:-D
:-D
I'd watch the game to laugh at their annual choke job, but Flyers preseason hockey is on WIP. It's more important than Phillies WC baseball.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2005, 07:44:26 PM
Time for Fido yet, Jay?
:-D
Gettin close...gettin close. Keep the mut awake and fill him full o' kibbles and bits.
What the farg is Utley swinging at?!?! Jeez. COME ON OFFENSE!
HEY JERKOFFS! VICTOR ZAMFARGINGBRANO IS NOT CY GODDAMN YOUNG!
Wake up, iceholes. Win this effing game.
I can't watch this anymore. It's beyond pathetic.
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry over this team. So many years... so many disappointments.
Just numb right now.
:-\
The funny thing is they will probably come back to win this game late. They are toying with your insides.
Then they will win game 3 vs the Mets and blow an easy game vs the Nats.
The season is in the hands of the Astros at this point. If the Phillies get in it's because the Astros lost it, not because the Phillies won it.
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 07:59:56 PM
The funny thing is they will probably come back to win this game late. They are toying with your insides.
Then they will win game 3 vs the Mets and blow an easy game vs the Nats.
The season is in the hands of the Astros at this point. If the Phillies get in it's because the Astros lost it, not because the Phillies won it.
Fine with me. I just want to get in.
Of course you do, but my point was that as much energy as people are putting into these last 2 series, the Astros going into the tank is equally if not more important. Since the Phillies don't sweep teams, you have to figure they are going to lose at least one more game this season to the Nationals, and maybe 2.
Seriously.
BEAN THAT EFFING TOOL IN THE HEAD!!!
Reyes with another double.
Oh great. Now Wheels and LA are interviewing the Inside Edition bitch in the booth.
Wheels is annoying.
Is it Deborah Norville? I can't stand that phony beyotch either.
Yeah it was her. Anderson was drooling over her. he wanted a piece. :-D
They got a gift because of reyes dropping Piazza's throw..Lieber scores..Lofton to 3rd and Utley walsk...Bobby A is up with runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out.
COME ON BOBBY! LET'S GET IT DONE!
Abreu knocks him in with a grounder to short...Utley was running so no DP.
Utley on 2nd now with Burrell up and 2 outs.
COME ON PATTY!
Utley to 3rd on the wild pitch.
Come on Pat....drive one about 440 here...PLEASE.
Ooooh....Burrell gets his tower buzzed. ust like Rollins last night and Utley tonight...the Mets are throwing at the Phils.
Burrell points the bat at Zambrano and tells him to farg off.
Lieber MUST bean someone next inning. Put a fastball right in someones rib cage.
Cy Zambrano is getting pulled.
I think Ishsii is coming in and Ryan Howard will be up.
COME ON RYAN....HOW ABOUT AN OPPO SHOT ABOUT 400??
F'ing shtein.
Howard swung at the first pitch from that sonofbitch. Ground out to 3rd.
But the Phils make it 3-2.
No soup for Howard.
BTW: Is anyone else listening to/watching the Mets feed?
Oh, dear God. WHY DO THEY HAVE RALPH KINER ON?
:'(
Phreak your goin pop your head off. Chill,bro. Phillies choking shouldnt be a surprise.
Hey its 3-2. And Bell gets a lefty next inning. :deion
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 08:45:32 PM
Phreak your goin pop your head off. Chill,bro. Phillies choking shouldnt be a surprise.
Hey its 3-2. And Bell gets a lefty next inning. :deion
Yes..I do need to chill. But I can't.
And David Bell got him a righty and promptly popped the farg out to the 2B.
Yo Pratty...how about one of those dramatic HRs like you hit as a Met, pal.
I love how the Charlie Manuel haters on PhilaPhans are blaming him for Howard nubbing out to the 3B. Jeez...
Good job, Pratt. Nice fly out you f'ing putz.
Our best hitter tonight, one Jon Lieber, is batting now.
Oh yeah...did I hear right that the Phils Saturday game was moved to 4:15 from 7pm? I hate afternoon games. >:(
Come on Lieber...need another strong 2 innings out of you tonight. I want NO ONE from that bullpen pitching tonight except for William Wagner.
Top of order next inning. Uhhh do something.
Unless Manuel mooned Howard and Howard caught a glimpse of Cholly's caboose during the at-bat, I fail to see the connection.
I don't know how you and Ed can stand those toolbags on that forum. Jesus, talk about uptight.
Jose Reyes hits a motherfargin triple. >:( >:( >:(
He's 10-13 off of Lieber.
Good...the little bitch got hurt sliding. I hope he broke his farging neck, the prick.
Looks like Reyes just tore his shoulder to bits.
Ahahahaha! We might suck but at least we can still cheer injuries!
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2005, 08:58:51 PM
Unless Manuel mooned Howard and Howard caught a glimpse of Cholly's caboose during the at-bat, I fail to see the connection.
I don't know how you and Ed can stand those toolbags on that forum. Jesus, talk about uptight.
Ed posts on PhillesPhans...the forum I'm talking about is PhilaPhans...PhilaPhans are negative beyond anything WIP can put out there.
I wish the Phillies were good.
GET REYES OUT DAMNIT
I hate this umpire...he blew that call on Lofton last night at 1st and now his strike zone has shrunk. Dan Iassogna...he is a little napoleon complex having farger.
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 09:01:37 PM
GET REYES OUT DAMNIT
We need some good mojo, MDS. How about a Rolins avatar or put "hero" under your Bell pic. Be our phanatic and give us the mojo!
Good strikeout by Lieber.
Now...GET BELTRAN OUT!
YES!!
Beltran pops out to Bell.
WALK FLOYD DO NOT LET HIM HIT!
Floyd gets the IBB....
Now LIeber walks Wright on 4 pitches...not too bad considering he can go yard.
Now the sacks are juiced and Ramon Castro is up since Pizza is out of the game.
Ryan "My arm is dead and I blow games" madson is warming up.
COME ON LIEBER!
0-1 on castro
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIEBER IS GOD!
He got out of that w/o giving upa run.
COME ON OFFENSE. LET'S WIN THIS EFFIN" THING!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2005, 09:10:04 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIEBER IS GOD!
He got out of that w/o giving upa run.
COME ON OFFENSE. LET'S WIN THIS EFFIN" THING!
:-D Who thought they'd see that in July?
Ooo save the season right there.
Get runs damnit!!!
COME ON JAMES CALVIN!!
YES!!!!
JIMMY GETS A HIT!!!
32 games!!
STANDING O!
Jimmy :bow :bow :bow
Come on Kenny......
He's working the pitcher....trying to bunt a few times...now ahead 2-1 in the count
Here we go, Kenny....he gets the bunt down
Jimmy moves to 2nd.
1 out.
Utley is up. Come on, Chase. Now is a great time to take that rookie pitcher off the Bud Light sign in RF...wind is blowing out to RF too
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2005, 08:43:50 PM
BTW: Is anyone else listening to/watching the Mets feed?
Oh, dear God. WHY DO THEY HAVE RALPH KINER ON?
:'(
Is it just me or does he sound like he's lit?
Rollins is having one heck of a stretch run, too bad he's not going to carry that momentum into the post season (since we're not going to be there) . Another downer is there's no way he picks up where he left off last season.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 27, 2005, 09:17:26 PM
Rollins is having one heck of a stretch run, too bad he's not going to carry that momentum into the post season (since we're not going to be there) . Another downer is there's no way he picks up where he left off last season.
Holy ridiculously gay Negadelphian moment right there.
Alright Chase...good time to break out of this little slump, buddy. Here we go....
He's got a 1-2 count on him. We NEED A HIT! A little dribbler to CF, I don't care...GET IT DONE!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 27, 2005, 09:18:03 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 27, 2005, 09:17:26 PM
Rollins is having one heck of a stretch run, too bad he's not going to carry that momentum into the post season (since we're not going to be there) . Another downer is there's no way he picks up where he left off last season.
Holy ridiculously gay Negadelphian moment right there.
Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. :evil
Utley walks...
Here we go, Bobby A....time to stuff this shtein right down the haters throats. A nice double down the line...get you 100th RBI right here, Bobby. Let';s go
Ball 1 outside
they cut to the Mets dugout and show a coach digging in his nose
STrike 1 (breaking ball)
SONOFBITCH.
GREAT AB, BOBBY, YOU FARG.
POP OUT.
It's up to pat.
Mr. Met Killer goes down swinging *CHOKE*
Goddamn motherfargin chokers.
Great job, Patricia. Last night and tonight you look like total efing shtein.
Burrell cant handle the pressue situations. Its pathetic.
Seasons gettin close to over. Good fun.
Goodnight.
Hopefully this team grows a set of balls in the next 2 innings.
Win this game, PLEASE!
Why couldn't you do that last night, Urbina?
Quote from: MDS on September 27, 2005, 09:35:39 PM
Why couldn't you do that last night, Urbina?
Because he sucks.
Remember earlier in the season when he was bitching about not getting put in pressure situations? What a bitch. He's lower than David Bell to me.
I say David is trying to earn some more fans in Philly.
DAVID BELL SUCKS!
Thankfully Houston is leading. Just end this already. PLEASE. I'm sick and tired of the Phillies dominating the conversation on Philly sports talk shows and WIP. It's time to move onto football 100%.
Walk for Utley.
Mr. Clutch is up.
Utley steals second standing up!
Game over. Season over. Let's go Flyers!
:boom
Goodnight sweetheart, well it's time to go...dum dunna, dum dun.
:win
Choking dogs do it again. Everyone. Losers. Thats it. farg the Phillies.
I would have been suprised if Abreu hadn't struck out there. He seems to be doing that fairly regularly now.
:boo
Bobby had not 1 but 2 opportunities to do something tonight and he came up with a big ZERO
One question:
How does it taste? :-D
So did Burrell. They're all chokers. Oh well, same old same old. Come close and farg it up at the end. Hopefully this will be it for Wade. Hopefully that would be the last moment David Bell has in a Phillie uniform, and what a way to define his career here.
I can't believe I wasted all that time on this team. Sad thing is, I'll do it again next year.
That is your mistake. It's like those kids that continue to hang out with that friend that makes fun of them all the time. You continue to let these guys walk all over your hearts. I got out a long time ago and I've been so stress free ever since. You guys should give it a try.
Well Wade is gone next year for sure, and Manuel too most likely so there is always a chance for a change, but I doubt it.
David Bell...for a 3rd generation baseball player, he sure plays stupid sometimes, i could tell when he was halfway to 2nd that he was going to try for 3rd and knew he was going to be out by the time he touched 2nd, what a tool
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If someone could photoshop the Phillies logo on the mutt, I'd be grateful.
:-D
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 10:16:59 PM
Well Wade is gone next year for sure, and Manuel too most likely so there is always a chance for a change, but I doubt it.
Ahahahahahahaha! Dream on.
Wade will be back and so will his pet monkey, Uncle Cholly.
Monty and the Teflonics will see to that. You can bet your ass on that one.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2005, 10:28:59 PM
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 10:16:59 PM
Well Wade is gone next year for sure, and Manuel too most likely so there is always a chance for a change, but I doubt it.
Ahahahahahahaha! Dream on.
Wade will be back and so will his pet monkey, Uncle Cholly.
Monty and the Teflonics will see to that. You can bet your ass on that one.
I'll bet you anything both are gone. Wade is definitely gone 100% and a new GM will get rid of Manuel and bring a real manager in.
Wade's not gone. Just got extended two years.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2005, 10:31:04 PM
Wade's not gone. Just got extended two years.
It's like a nightmare you can't wake up from.
Wade's contract can be paid off so easily. He makes extremely little money. He's gone 100% next year, and it's not up for debate.
moving on... next
and I'll say this. If Wade happens to return which would be absolutely next to impossible, and you guys continue to follow the Phillies and root for them, then you are as bad as they are. You'd deserve whatever heartbreak comes to you.
Avenger, how old are you? Serious question, honestly not trying to be sarcastic.
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 10:33:41 PM
Wade's contract can be paid off so easily. He makes extremely little money. He's gone 100% next year, and it's not up for debate.
moving on... next
and I'll say this. If Wade happens to return which would be absolutely next to impossible, and you guys continue to follow the Phillies and root for them, then you are as bad as they are. You'd deserve whatever heartbreak comes to you.
That's bullshtein. I cheered for the Eagles when they had Harry Gamble for a general manager, Norman Braman for an owner and Rich Kotite for a head coach. You don't stop being a fan just because the team is in disarray or because management has its head stuck up its ass.
I've been a Phillies fan for longer than most of you have drawn breaths on this Earth. I'll continue to be a die-hard until I croak regardless of the circumstances. That won't make the pain of another lost season go away any quicker, though.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2005, 10:40:38 PM
Avenger, how old are you? Serious question, honestly not trying to be sarcastic.
This should be a messageboard game. I'm guessing 14.
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Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 10:44:26 PM
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LOL. I have flip flops that are older than you.
See me when you're 40 and have suffered a bit more.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2005, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 10:44:26 PM
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LOL. I have flip flops that are older than you.
See me when you're 40 and have suffered a bit more.
I'm not even a Phillies fan. So I haven't suffered. You may think you deserve merit for sticking with the team, when in reality you are just a sucker. They are walking all over you. I wouldn't even bring it up, but you sound pretty angry. When are you going to stand up for yourself? At 40 years old all this stress can't be good for you. You are getting up there in age my man.
when you start taking advice from a 22 year old you'll be labeled a "sucker".
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 27, 2005, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 10:44:26 PM
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LOL. I have flip flops that are older than you.
See me when you're 40 and have suffered a bit more.
I'm not even a Phillies fan. So I haven't suffered. You may think you deserve merit for sticking with the team, when in reality you are just a sucker. They are walking all over you. I wouldn't even bring it up, but you sound pretty angry. When are you going to stand up for yourself? At 40 years old all this stress can't be good for you. You are getting up there in age my man.
As much fun as it would be to reply to the various non sequiturs above, I simply don't have the interest at this point.
I'm out...
Quote from: Mad-Lad on September 27, 2005, 10:55:14 PM
when you start taking advice from a 22 year old you'll be labeled a "sucker".
You should feel fortunate to get advice from me. I don't give it out often. Meanwhile the proof is in the pudding. 13 years of no playoffs and counting... :-D
The reason I ask is mostly a matter of perspective.
Avenger says that those that continue to support the Phils are "as bad as the owners." I'm in my mid-30s, and one of my favorite childhood memories is of watching the Phils beat the Royals in the 1980 World Series with my grandmother (the only other baseball fan in my family, she loved Manny Trillo). I was nine that year, and still had the naiveté to believe that happened every year. Here I am, 25 years later, still trying to recapture those precious but fleeting moments of unadulterated, unbridled joy that accompanies your favorite sports team win the ultimate championship (I can remember the Sixers in 1983, but my basketball fandom is not nearly as deep as football, baseball and hockey). Heck, that's probably why I work on a website on the 1980 Phils. Getting older, but not wanting to grow up. 8)
That team entrenched me into a life-long love of Philadelphia Sports, along with the fact that all four major sports teams in Philadelphia all played for their league's championship in a year's span, including the Eagles in Super Bowl XV. It's not always easy being a fan of the Phillies- or the Eagles for that matter (Two words: Rich Kotite. Two more: Norman Braman.). But, to steal a parable from the Bible (and my apologies if it sounds sacriligious): As the deer pants for the water, so the souls of the Philadelphia sports fan longs for it's team, and for that elusive championship.
It's been 22 years for the Sixers.
It's been 25 for the Phils.
It's been 30 for the Flyers.
It's been 45 for the Eagles.
I was too young to remember the Flyers' Cup runs. I have not seen an Eagles NFL championship in my lifetime. However, I shall continue to support my teams until the Lord decides to call me home one day. And I am trying to teach my son (while living in Florida) the trials and the benefits of following the teams from Philadelphia.
I cannot speak for anyone else here. MDS wasn't born when the Sixers won in 83. A few of the posters here are my age or thereabouts, and they may have personal recollections of the "Glory Year" of the Phils. For me, the Phils are a symbol of a simpler time of my life, when the stars seemed within reach. They remind me of my Grandma yelling at Mike Schmidt to "Hit the ball, you simple sonofabitch" in true Philadelphia fashion. They remind me of watching the parade during school in Honey Brook, PA with my 3rd Grade teacher, Mrs. Hornberger,who just recently passed away. The Phils started a lifelong love of baseball, and in sports in general, in that magical year of 1980, when what had for nearly a century seemed impossible became reality, even if for just one summer.
Quote from: Avenger on September 27, 2005, 10:44:26 PM
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In my best Sgt. Barnes voice "Pain? Whatcha all know bout' pain?"
By the way, Lad, who did the Phils play in the 1980 NLCS? ;D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2005, 11:07:27 PM
By the way, Lad, who did the Phils play in the 1980 NLCS? ;D
C'mon Geo give him a hint, c'mon, c'mon.
The main thing with the Phillies is so much more than the losing. It's how they lose, it's the excuses, it's the bad decisions, it's the bad attitudes, it's the collapses, it's the lack of deadline movies, and other things. At least the other teams make the playoffs. The first step is getting to the playoffs and then it's a new ball game. The Phillies haven't been there in 12 going on 13 years. How many professional sports teams out there haven't made the playoffs in 13 years? Not many.
The Eagles have never won a Superbowl, but they care about winning, they embrace the fans, they make the playoffs every year, they don't make excuses, and they always step up when it counts. I get on them for being cheap sometimes, but usually their moves turn out to be right. Even when the Phillies spend their decisions are always wrong.
The Sixers haven't won a title lately, but second closest of our major sports teams of winning one lately. Billy King while making some bad moves, he is never afraid to pull the trigger on a deal. They are great with the fans, they are dedicated to winning, even if sometimes they make some bad moves along the way. They don't make excuses as an organization either. Jim O'brien is there a year, and makes the playoffs? GONE. Sixers don't farg around.
The Flyers went out and had the best offseason of any team. They contend every year. They care about the fans. They always make moves to try to improve the team. They hired a championship winning coach. They cut ties with a successful coach in Barber. Again, not afraid to try to win. Not afraid to step on some toes.
I don't like baseball much to begin with, but to me the bottom line is if a team is going to just completely disrespect it's fans then you shouldn't respect them. Maybe it's different for me because I consider baseball a boring sport for the most part. It's all about perspective like you said. I'm not one that likes to be pushed around, and I feel the Phillies do that. That is why I stopped being a fan of them about 3 years ago. I might root for them again if they make some major changes, but if they sold the team I wouldn't even care all that much. Just not a big baseball fan.
Geo:
Talking about the glory years, 1980/81 season every Philadelphis team made it to it's respective championship. You know who were the only ones to win.
Yea thats right, I haven't won anything. You don't see me being a bitch and avoiding the Phillies just because they're an awful franchise. I was born into it, I'm stuck with these losers. Gotta play the hand your dealt.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2005, 11:07:27 PM
By the way, Lad, who did the Phils play in the 1980 NLCS? ;D
that would be a lot more painful if the Astros were 2.5 games back of the Phillies in the Wild Card race.
:'(
Enjoy >:(
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Quote from: Mad-Lad on September 28, 2005, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 27, 2005, 11:07:27 PM
By the way, Lad, who did the Phils play in the 1980 NLCS? ;D
that would be a lot more painful if the Astros were 2.5 games back of the Phillies in the Wild Card race.
That would be a lot more painful if I didn't have a memory of at least ONE World Series championship to remember. :evil
Never mind that it was one in 120+ years... :paranoid
Well, not only do I remember the Phillies lone world championship; I was there to experience it. I was at the Vet with my brother, my sister and my brother in law when Tugger struck out Willie Wilson to win the whole enchilada and although it's been 25 years, it's a feeling that I'll never forget.
I cheer for the team because they're my team. Sure, I get furious when they lose. Yes, I'm farging angry that we have to sit here year after year watching them lose. I'm pissed off that we have cheapskate owners, inept management, and gutless players (not all, but enough) who couldn't care less about the fans who pay their salaries. I'm enraged that decade after decade passes without us being able to experience the thrill of ultimate victory as fans.
But I ask you: What the farg am I supposed to do? Turning my back on the franchise because they're losing or inept simply isn't in my character. I'm going to cheer for whomever wears the uniform because I wear the uniform too. I buy the tickets, I wear the various hats, I wear my Phillies jersey and curse at them when they come up short but I also scream my voice raw when they win big. That's what being a fan is all about.
If you don't agree, that's fine. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. With that said, my opinion is, you don't turn your back on your team when they lose.
Come February when pitchers and catchers report, I'll be looking forward to seeing the Phils season start up again. Why, you might ask? Because I'm a fan. I've been one all my life and will be one until the day they dump my ashes into the ocean in Sea Isle.
wade is gone but he will quit...the two year extension is meaningless...it was a sign of support for wade and basically a way of saying farg you to the media and fans who have turned on them
but in the end he and manuel are both history
Randy Miller was on WIP and he said he thinks Wade is gone. He said that article that Rich Hofmann wrote in Monty's office while watching the game had a telling quote about Monty knowing Wade is under fire.
Why is it that Bell waited to get hurt with 4 games left in the year? Why couldn't he have gotten hurt with 144 games left in the year?
I hate, hate, hate that motherfarger.
No good pieces of garbage. Lose 2 one-run must win games? Effing typical.
Now we have to wish for a total Astros collapse. :-\
clemens....pettite...oswalt....lidge=no collapse
but you knew that
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 27, 2005, 10:19:15 PM
David Bell...for a 3rd generation baseball player, he sure plays stupid sometimes, i could tell when he was halfway to 2nd that he was going to try for 3rd and knew he was going to be out by the time he touched 2nd, what a tool
Everyone but David Bell knew he was going to be out, Manuel and Rollins got as close to ripping him last night as you possibly could without saying "he totally sucks".
Larry Andersen said "Oh, no. No." when he was halfway between 2bd & 3rd. There is an audible gasp from the entire crowd as he rounded 2nd.
Your hottest hitter (Rollins ) is on deck and you try that shtein? Farg that icehole.
I'm glad he dislocated his finger. Too bad it didn't happen sooner.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 08:48:06 AM
clemens....pettite...oswalt....lidge=no collapse
but you knew that
Yup.
Like a 1% of happening. It would take a miracle. And the Phils would have to win out.
i see what youre saying about rollins but i dont care if ted williams is up next the batter is irrelevant at that point
the cardinal rule of base running at any level of baseball is you DONT EVER MAKE THE THIRD OUT AT THIRD
we learn this in little league for god sakes
if hes so concerned about his sloth like speed at least give the manager the chance to pinch run for you
Yep. You're right. Never make the first or third out at 3rd base.
And the totallt farging maddening thing about this was....
Regardless of if he's at 2nd or 3rd he still scores on a goddamn single! It makes no difference whether he's at 3rd or 2nd because with 2 outs he's running on contact.
Damn...what a jerkoff this guy is.
And another thing:
CAN THE PHILLIES THROW AT JOSE REYES TONIGHT, PLEASE?!?
The Mets have thrown at 3 Phils in this series. Time to take it out on dat ass tonight. Have a farging fight.
You guys should have given up when this team got swept by the Astros at CBP a couple weeks back.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 09:52:56 AM
You guys should have given up when this team got swept by the Astros at CBP a couple weeks back.
If we gave up, the pain of these last two night wouldn't be there. Silly.
last nights game pissed me off more than any phillies loss since game 6 of the 93 series
farg abreu
farg burrell
farg bell
i dont want any of those three on the team next season.
i would also like a catcher wasnt in elementary school yet when live aid happened.
my roster evaluation
Eude Brito - farg you
Rheal Cormier - farg you
Gavin Floyd - one more shot
Aaron Fultz - Ok
Geoff Geary - Ok
Cory Lidle - farg you
Jon Lieber - Ok
Pedro Liriano - Rot at Scranton
Aquilino López - Rot at Scranton
Ryan Madson - one more shot
Brett Myers - one more shot
Vicente Padilla - Ok
Robinson Tejeda - one more shot
Ugueth Urbina - Ok
Billy Wagner - farg you....BOOOOOOOO....BOOOOOOO
Mike Lieberthal - farg you
Todd Pratt - farg you
David Bell - farg you
Ryan Howard - Ok
Matt Kata - farg you
Ramón E. Martínez - farg you
Tomás Pérez - farg you
Jimmy Rollins - Ok
Chase Utley - Ok
Bobby Abreu - farg you
Pat Burrell - farg you
Endy Chávez - farg you
Kenny Lofton - Ok
Jason Michaels - one more shot
Michael Tucker - Ok/one more shot
Shane Victorino - Ok
I'll take that starting outfield of Tucker, Michaels and Victorino over Burrell, Abreu and Lofton anyday!
Ha.
Maybe next year the team will not be picked by anyone to win anything, and they'll respond by beating expectations and getting into the wild-card chase. Sure, they'll miss the playoffs, again, but that's not so bad with low expectations.
What I would do:
C: Losethal is garbage. Sign Ramon Hernandez or Brad Ausmus (hitting sucks, but good game caller). Waive Losethal if you have to.
1B: Bring back Gene Schall. If that fails, we can always trade Thome and keep Howard.
2B: Utley? Ok.
SS: Locked into Rollins. Hope he's more consistant nexr year.
3B: Bye bye Bell. Joe Randa and Bill Mueller are better options (ha, really). Even Wes Helms. Get Bell outta here.
LF: Locked into that choker Burrell.
CF: Interesting spot. Have Roberson in AAA near readdy, Victorino could also do it. Lofton/Michaels would be effective again. I'd look to package Victorino with Thome and then hand Roberson that job next year. We can pick up Loftons option, give him one more year.
RF: Michael Tucker, no doubt.
SP: Lieber and Myers stick. I'm sick of Padilla and his nonsense and injuries. Get him out. Plan was that Floyd would be ready by now, but who knows. Wolf wont be back till midseason, if at all. Keep Lidle as insurence, he can an effective 5th starter. Need to sign someone here. Matt Morris, AJ Burnett are some names out there. Gotta get someone who can step in and improve the rotation. Figure Burnett, Lieber, Myers, Lidle and give Floyd a shot at the 5. If he still sucks, Tejeda can step in and fill the void till Wolf is back. If Floyd turns it on, we can either move Lidle to the pen or trade him once Wolf comes back.
RP: Wagner needs to shut up, but hes still really good. Urbina blows too many saves, get him out. Madson, Fultz can stick. Need someone to help out there in the 7th/8th, there are a host of names out there that can do an okay job. Guys like Geary, Lopez can fill out the rest of the pen. If Floyd turns out to be good, then Tejeda can step in and be real good out of the pen.
Bench: Perez and Pratt need to go. Chavez, too. Victorino maybe off the bench? I'd keep Martinez around. Other than that, go for all new guys. The bench sucks really. Especially Perez and Pratt. Gotta get rid of the garbage on this team, and those two guys are part of it. Not big parts, but parts.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 08:22:52 AM
wade is gone but he will quit...the two year extension is meaningless...it was a sign of support for wade and basically a way of saying farg you to the media and fans who have turned on them
but in the end he and manuel are both history
Hopefully you're right IGY.
I wouldn't bet on it though.
All I have to say is....FIRE WADE AND MANUEL.....and get the Yanks GM and JIMMY L.
Quote from: mikey418 on September 28, 2005, 01:36:44 PM
All I have to say is....FIRE WADE AND MANUEL.....and get the Yanks GM and JIMMY L.
But, but, but... Manuel's only had one year on the job. One year isn't enough time to say whether or not he's done a good job!
I say keep Wade and Manuel and keep the line-up as-is. Surely they'll win next year, right?
Wah!
::)
i say im done with baseball. :crazy
Napalm.
this makes the 3rd season in a row where the philths have singlehandedly given the wild card away. unless houston colapses in these last 4 games.
this year, astros
2004 astros, finished 6 games back. the phils went 0-6. a series split gives them matching records. (granted there were a few other teams between them.
2003 marlins, finished 5 back, and the marlins had the phils number completely. again a series split, and it's a whole new season.
i dont blame the manager in any of the cases. while i hardly think manual is a great manager. it's been the same players for 3 years doing the same damn thing year after year after year.
everything thing changed, the park, the manager, expectations....the only thing that remained was the players. farg them.
i dont even care about this for me. but it hit me last night, i took my little sister to the game, and when they lost, she was crying. broke my heart. she's the biggest phillie fan i know, she's 16 years old. she was crying about the loss. i cant get that out of my head. and the protective big brother in me comes through and makes me down right farging HATE this team sometimes.
abreu is the biggest Hoyda i have ever seen play the game of baseball. farg you and your worthless home run derby bullshtein.
I'll be joining the throng dancing on his grave if Ed Wade's career comes to a close. I hope that I am wrong.
I just don't see Montgomery and the other stooges letting him go.
I found the perfect theme song for the Phillies. After all this song is new and has been used a lot on sports half-time shows and stuff.
It defines the rest of their season
http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32NUQ7V1AVMC62GQSX1NCB3QCA
Quote from: Avenger on September 28, 2005, 06:26:43 PM
I found the perfect theme song for the Phillies. After all this song is new and has been used a lot on sports half-time shows and stuff.
It defines the rest of their season
http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32NUQ7V1AVMC62GQSX1NCB3QCA
you cant possibly be 22
1-2-3 inning from Padilla. Ho hum. :-\
Its never too late to believe kill david bell
Jimmy :yay
If Rollins keeps this up he may actually end up being worth his contract.
Keep it up how long? He's not going to be a .350+ hitter the rest of his career. He'll find a way to be below .300 every year. He'll have his good and bad streaks.
Quote from: Avenger on September 28, 2005, 07:27:07 PM
Keep it up how long? He's not going to be a .350+ hitter the rest of his career. He'll find a way to be below .300 every year. He'll have his good and bad streaks.
teach me more about baseball
Quote from: rjs246 on September 28, 2005, 07:23:59 PM
If Rollins keeps this up he may actually end up being worth his contract.
Like you care.
I wasn't talking to you, but if you'd like to be enlightened then I'll gladly be of service.
Newsflash: Ed is scared of the city.
In case anyone cares, it's 5-2 Phillies right now.
:-\
Its never too late to believe kill david bell
NOW IS
THE TIME
2004
FIRE WADE!!
TO and MouthEx sighting at the Phils game :-X
I'm watching the Mets broadcasters. When will I stop hearing the same crap about Abreu being a very strong defensive outfielder?
He's a nice hitter, gets on base a lot, and has a good arm, but he has limited mobility, and is lazy in the outfield. Yet whenever I watch games on ESPN, or TBS, or FSN, opposing teams announcers seem to have the opinion he's a strong fielder and are suprised when he messes up out there. I don't get it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 28, 2005, 08:58:31 PM
TO and MouthEx sighting at the Phils game :-X
why is he back here?
And Legendz, enough with the Abreu lazy shtein. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 09:13:12 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 28, 2005, 08:58:31 PM
TO and MouthEx sighting at the Phils game :-X
why is he back here?
And Legendz, enough with the Abreu lazy shtein. ::)
I don't generally bash Abreu, but let's not pretend he's Jim Edmonds in the outfield. You'd be suprised how many broadcasters just assume he's among one of the leagues elite defensive outfielders.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 09:13:12 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 28, 2005, 08:58:31 PM
TO and MouthEx sighting at the Phils game :-X
why is he back here?
And Legendz, enough with the Abreu lazy shtein. ::)
he's not lazy, he's a gutless farging hack
gutless hack, right. ok.
Legendz...who cares what other announcers say? They say Corey Simon is one of the premier run stuffers in the league. lol..we all know they are idiots
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 09:17:13 PM
gutless hack, right. ok.
Legendz...who cares what other announcers say? They say Corey Simon is one of the premier run stuffers in the league. lol..we all know they are idiots
Good point.
:-D
These Mets announcers are tools. They are making fun of the "experts" because they said that the majority of experts picked the Phillies to win the East.
Are they farging serious? I didn't read ONE prediction this season that had the Phillies winning the NL East, and most had them at 3rd or 4th. It just aggravates me.
They just throw out crap and hope you lop it up without questioning it.
Whatever the Phillies do in the offseason, priority number one is to rid themselves of Loserthal.
He has taken the art of sucking to a new low.
9-3 Phils. And the juggernaut continues to rolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll...
:-D
PS: Houston's losing 2-1 at last glance.
:paranoid
:-D
Walked Padilla.
C'mon Cardinals hold on. Make me suffer for four more days before I can put baseball behind me.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 09:17:13 PM
gutless hack, right. ok.
Legendz...who cares what other announcers say? They say Corey Simon is one of the premier run stuffers in the league. lol..we all know they are idiots
did you see the ninth inning yesterday?
how about the 1st 2 game of this series, what did he do when he was friggin needed? he's left 4 runners in scoring position, and before tonight, has been a big 0-fer
farg abreu
Quote from: Wingspan on September 28, 2005, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 09:17:13 PM
gutless hack, right. ok.
Legendz...who cares what other announcers say? They say Corey Simon is one of the premier run stuffers in the league. lol..we all know they are idiots
did you see the ninth inning yesterday?
how about the 1st 2 game of this series, what did he do when he was friggin needed? he's left 4 runners in scoring position, and before tonight, has been a big 0-fer
farg abreu
Shhhh. No anti-Abreu talk is permitted here. Check the CF TOS for further details. :-o
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 28, 2005, 09:23:54 PM
9-3 Phils. And the juggernaut continues to rolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll...
:-D
PS: Houston's losing 2-1 at last glance.
:paranoid
4-2 now. Figures. Cardinals are worthless.
farg them.
See, this is where I have a problem with Manuel and why I think he's a totally clueless asshat.
Padilla is taken out in this half inning. He had gotten an out and there is one man on now with a run in. Well, if your intention was to take him out anyway, why fargING LET HIM HIT IN THE LAST HALF OF THE LAST INNING WITH BASES LOADED??!!!!!!!??
Clueless, retarded, nonsensical jackass of a hick.
:o
'rome how dare you try to apply logic to anything Manuel does?
Oh, and Ryan Madson still sucks.
Cardinals retake the lead 6-4. That was quick
:yay
Azzholes have tied it at 6-6. :(
Phillies trying to blow it...it was 9-3...now 9-6
Thanks to that sorry ass motherfarger Ryan Madson. He fargin sucks. Sucks!
Yea he totally blows. Manuel must of wet his pants when he pitched well Monday, obviously showing that one nice outing makes up for 10 crappy ones.
God damn Asstros wont lose.
Is there any ump crew worse than this one?
Dale Scott, Dan Iassonga, Tim Tschida...all suck.
Utley clears the bases.
13-6 Phils (good to see em put up a ton tonight. ::))
First time in 73 years Phils have had 3 100 RBI guys
Victorino PH'ing for Bobby A...
And he hits a 2R HR
15-6 Phils.
Yay runs. Good job getting them the last two nights, iceholes.
Yeah, I'm still salty.
Burrell goes yard to dead CF
16-6
:-D :-D :'( :'(
Burrell iz teh clutch.
Houston and Saint Louie still tied at 6 in the bottom of the 7th.
Hey Heaven...how about winning the effing game you midwestern Hoydas!
Would be nice wouldn't it? Especially since Wandy is pitching tommorrow, meaning it's entirely possible the Phillies be 1 back after tommorrow if the Cardinals can pull this out.
What a way for the Phils to explode(nice not to say implode)during their last at bat at home this year. Way to go Victorino! Kids going to be awesome next year.
One more thing - farg you Mets!
Good things don't happen to the Phillies. They choke and lose.
I love how Burrell hits a homer late tonight when the team is up almost double digits. What a total loser.
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050929/capt.pxs10509290128.mets_phillies_pxs105.jpg)
^
Its his fault
Houston wins.
Cardinals suck. Go Padres.
Nice job Isringchokin. :boom
7-6 btm 9. Phillies postseason hopes basically resting on the shoulders of a pinch hitter, David Eckstein and Jim Edmonds. Hey, then Pooholes!
1 out
the astros are clutch, they'll probably hold on.
astros win!
I hate the Cardinals. Almost as much as the Braves.
:'(
In fact, I hate every team that is going to be in the playoffs except SD and CLE.
:sly
Scenarios:
Astros go 0-4, Phillies go 3-0= Phillies win WC outright
Astros go 0-4, Phillies go 2-1= Tie, game monday at CBP
Astros go 1-3, Phillies go 3-0= Tie, game monday at CBP
Astros win 2 games or Phillies lose 2 games= Astros win WC
:yay
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2005, 11:33:25 PM
Astros win 2 games or Phillies lose 2 games= Astros win WC
Or the most likely scenario: the Astros win at least one and the Phillies lose at least one.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 29, 2005, 07:07:18 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2005, 11:33:25 PM
Astros win 2 games or Phillies lose 2 games= Astros win WC
Or the most likely scenario: the Astros win at least one and the Phillies lose at least one.
*ding*
Phillies will not lose. Those are in case Bell breaks his hand or something big, and we don't have our superstar thirsbasemen
I'm praying to the baseball gods that the Astros have a huge collapse. Maybe that little farger the Billy Goat who cursed the Cubs can help em out this weekend.
Watch the Astros get swept....
And the Phils get swept too. :-D :'(
The Astros have struggled against those Cubbies....
Mrs. Romey guaranteed that the Phillies will make the playoffs this morning.
We actually had a knock-down, drag-out brouhaha over it. I even got called a negadelphian by my own wife!
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
My reply: "Oh, yeah? No sex for you tonight, bitch!"
That'll teach her. >:D
By the way...
The Phills attendance was down over 500,000 this year. That is the 4th biggest drop in the second year of a new ballpark in MLB history.
They said on the radio today that in lost season ticket revenue alone it was $16 million bucks they lost.
And if you add in concessions and parking the Phils lost over $23 million bucks in 2005 versus 2004.
And they'll lose more if Wade isn't fired.
$23M is no chump change, folks. The money-lovin ghost owners have to make a change.
We didn't renew our season tickets this year.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 29, 2005, 09:26:28 AM
We didn't renew our season tickets this year.
did they ask you why?
I got like 10 letters from them after the deadline passed. And 3 phone calls asking me why.
I told them that we were "getting married and needed the extra money and oh yeah....until the ownership proves to us that they care about the team, I refuse to spend my money on our tickets. Thanks for calling."
Nearly every one of those lost tickets can be attributed to season ticket holders.
They had 23,000 in 2004 and had 17,000 in 2005. 81 games X 6,000 lost season tickets = 486,000.
Phreak's right. If you want a rise in season ticket holders, you're going to have do more than sign another Jon Lieber. Wade's gotta go, Manuel's gotta go, Bell's outta here, Lieberthal's gone and possibly Thome unless he can regain his 2003 form.
I'm thinking Abreu will go too. I just have a hunch that he'll be used as trade bait for a starter or 3rd baseman.
Trade Rollins!
Even though I might be the only Bobby Abreu fan in Philadelphia, I think that trading him might be something I would consider.
And I would consider trading Pat Burrell as well. Not both of them, but one or the other.
In order to get a good player, you've got to give up a good player.
Trade Abreu or Burrell for a starting pitcher
Attempt to trade for Torii Hunter (I love Hunter) and he'd be our CF of the future and is RH power bat would replace Burrell.
Sign a 3B & C
Re-sign Wagner (this is a MUST)
They have to cut down on the strikeouts somewhere. If Thome comes back, that adds another 150 K's to the lineup and that's simply too much.
I don't want Burrell traded, though. He's just now entering his prime whereas Abreu is what he is. He's not going to get any better.
Trade him now while he still has some value left.
Edited - I have a feeling Wagner's gone regardless. Too many bridges burned with management. Unless they get a front-line manager instead of some castoff like Manuel, he's out of here and onto a place like Boston. Boston would be able to pay him whatever he wants, he'd still be on the East Coast and he'd be on a World Series favorite, plus they'll have the dough to spend since Damon will be history.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 09:41:15 AMhe'd be our CF of the future
:sly He's a year younger than Abreu
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 29, 2005, 09:53:02 AM
Edited - I have a feeling Wagner's gone regardless. Too many bridges burned with management.
huh? They've been working on a deal with him this whole time. If they didn't want him to stay, there'd have been no talks.
Wagner (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/092805-wagner.wmv)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 29, 2005, 10:11:04 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 29, 2005, 09:53:02 AM
Edited - I have a feeling Wagner's gone regardless. Too many bridges burned with management.
huh? They've been working on a deal with him this whole time. If they didn't want him to stay, there'd have been no talks.
Apparently not. See/hear Ed's link.
They should Package Burrell and Rollins for a sack of footballs and a pair of testicles.
I did. But if he burned bridges with management, it would have been months ago...and they might not have talked more in the last few days as the link stated, but that doesn't mean he hasn't talked at all. Just 3 or so weeks ago he was talking about how they were making progress.
Alright, a little analysis then.
They're not negotiating with him now per the interview. That leads me to believe that either they're not going to re-sign him or the management team that is in power now isn't free to negotiate with anyone because their heads are on the chopping block.
Either way, I can't see him returning if someone else gets a chance to sign him. He's made that abundantly clear, PG. Judging from his comments and the tone of his voice, it's pretty obvious that he wants to return but it takes two to tango.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2005, 10:25:16 PMFirst time in 73 years Phils have had 3 100 RBI guys
Meanwhile, the Yankees just did it for the 4th year in a row... :P
(Another quick note: the Indians teams of 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000 and 2001 also completed this feat. Manuel was the hitting coach or manager for those teams. Just sayin'.....)
If and when Wade gets the axe, the Phils should pursue Cashman from the Yanks. Last I heard him leaving the organiztion is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Unless of course the Spankees win the World Series.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/22/AR2005092202410.html
Related article.
there's no way of knowing how good cashman actually is.
are there any players for the yankees that were groomed by the yankees other than Jeter? (i really dont know the answer). or that they traded for before they were big names (brought in as a prospect)?
it doesnt take a mastermind GM to go out and sign the biggest names each year. just a big open payroll. i mean anyone here (except MDS) could be GM of the yankees.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 29, 2005, 11:13:39 AM
there's no way of knowing how good cashman actually is.
are there any players for the yankees that were groomed by the yankees other than Jeter? (i really dont know the answer). or that they traded for before they were big names (brought in as a prospect)?
it doesnt take a mastermind GM to go out and sign the biggest names each year. just a big open payroll. i mean anyone here (except MDS) could be GM of the yankees.
I would argue that anything is better than Wade right now and he does have a track record of winning regardless of his payroll. The Phils went out and spent boatloads of cash and still can't make the playoffs (this year excluded :D).
in my opinion the phillies are not that far off from being a more threatening contender. i think the offense is above average, but just lacking leadership and the strikeouts are too high.
the bullpen is ok enough, but every year they get overused and wind up completely ineffective by september, which leads (to the same thing every year) to the need of a #1 pitcher. Leiber, Myers, Padilla (in that order) can be a ver good 2-4 starter set. but we still need to see them get a #1.
basically, i would do this
1)(as someone else said) get rid of Burrell or Abreu, they both have value right now. (maybe a 3B prospect, or a catching prospect.
2a) If this year was just a bad year for Thome: do what you can to teach howard to play the OF, left or right field. (preferably left).
2b) try and trade thome. i dont know how or who. but some AL team must have interest as a DH. or something. i wouldnt want to see howard traded, this kid is for real.
3) get rid of either David Bell or Mike Leiberthal. it's unrealistic that they could get rid of both. but you should replace one of them, preferably bell. If they can get rid of bell, dump tomas perez, sign a new everyday 3B, and let bell sit on the bench and become a utility guy.
4) I would try and keep wagner, although i dont see this happening. Urbina is okay as a closer, but i would still prefer wagner, and i am afraid that the phils will lose him for nothing.
5) if they shore up the 3B or C spot, i am ok with the platoon in CF that could work with Victarino or Michaels or Lofton (if he is resigned).
All this and i am counting on Utley and or Howard as they grow to become more leaders on this team.
You guys can't be serious trying to trade Abreu. All he does is have a .400+ obp, 100 rbi's, 100 runs, 100 walks, a near .300 avg, 20 homers, constantley leads the league in pitchers seen and pitchers per at bat. He is the best player on this team, I think him playing at 50% this past two weeks has warped your mind into thinking hes not that good. He is.
Burrell I wouldn't mind, but right now he's your only right handed power in the lineup. You need someone to break the lefties up somehow. What can you get for him and that contract? I dont know....
Wingspan, I agree with everything you say there, though I just don't see Thome, Bell, or Leiberthal getting traded. The Phils have a insurmountable aversion to eating any salary.
MDS, I wouldn't trade Abreu but I sure as hell would trade Burrel now. That guy is a headcase as far as swinging a bat is concerned.
Burrell has had a great season. Just the past two games he totally blew. And he sucks ass in the clutch. But I'm fine with him. Out of our 4 rbi guys, 2 of them are soft and 2 of them want to bat in the clutch. I guess it evens out.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2005, 11:41:52 AM
Burrell has had a great season. Just the past two games he totally blew. And he sucks ass in the clutch. But I'm fine with him. Out of our 4 rbi guys, 2 of them are soft and 2 of them want to bat in the clutch. I guess it evens out.
Hahahaha. Only Phillies fans...
Must. Stay. Positive.
Quote from: NGM on September 29, 2005, 11:39:12 AM
Wingspan, I agree with everything you say there, though I just don't see Thome, Bell, or Leiberthal getting traded. The Phils have a insurmountable aversion to eating any salary.
MDS, I wouldn't trade Abreu but I sure as hell would trade Burrel now. That guy is a headcase as far as swinging a bat is concerned.
me neither. but they could work around that. i dont think thome is as good anymore as he was in 2003-2004, but i find it really hard to beleive he is as bad as he was in the 1st half of 2005.
you only have to deal with leiberthal and bell for one more season. and you may not have to trade bell, make him a bench player. a highly paid bench guy. i think he could be more effective off the bench than as an every day 3B.
leiberthal is gonna be here, so let him sit in the 8hole all year. but bring in a young catcher to supplant him (maybe though burrell or abreu)
i think you need to trade burrell or abreu, not because they are bad players, but because you can not keep trading crap for crap. trade burrell or abreu (again, not both just one). and then move Howard to the OF, that way Thome, if he regains his form, can play everyday, along with howard, and then you have your power guys. i cant see why they couldnt convert ryan howard to the OF, they did it successfully with Burrell.
like i said, i think they are close, and this isnt really all that much tinkering. i do think utley/howard can be the guys to bring the right leadership to the team.
they still need to spend some $$ to get a #1 pitcher in here.
They experimented putting Howard in the outfield this offseason. For whatever reason it didn't seem to stick. IF they could get Howard in the outfield this year and bring Victrino along slowly, I would be all for it.
yeah, abreu's numbers are great, but where is he late in a big game? in the corner sucking his thumb. he's not a winner and never will be. he has great value around the league because of his numbers. trade him for a front-line starter, third baseman, or catcher.
Just looking at Howard's size and mobility, I'm doubtful that he's a good OF candidate. He'd be too much of a liability defensively.
He'd be no different than Floyd or Ramirez...
I wonder if they'd give it another shot after seeing more of him this year. He's more nimble and has more speed than they originally thought. 2 triples in one week? :o
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 29, 2005, 01:39:06 PM
He'd be no different than Floyd or Ramirez...
I wonder if they'd give it another shot after seeing more of him this year. He's more nimble and has more speed than they originally thought. 2 triples in one week? :o
Marzano was WIP today and he said that's what he's hearing from them down there, that they might give him another shot in LF
Quote from: Geowhizzer on September 29, 2005, 01:16:33 PM
Just looking at Howard's size and mobility, I'm doubtful that he's a good OF candidate. He'd be too much of a liability defensively.
have pete incavelia play LF didnt seem to hinder the 93 phils that much. he's still trying to get to the warning track.
i'll take an error every now and then if it has him playing every day with a healthy thome.
Rollins
Utley
Abreu
Thome
Burrell
Howard
Bell
Loserthal
Awful defense, but :drool against rhp
Abreu in CF?
He did play CF when we had Jeremy Giambi :-D
I said the defense blew, but come on, that line up against rhp is disgusting.
whats wrong with howard at catcher.. big target.. doesn't have to move much.. can get rid of loserthal.. and concentrate on getting an adequate 3b cf and #1 pitcher.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 29, 2005, 03:54:28 PM
whats wrong with howard at catcher.. big target.. doesn't have to move much.. can get rid of loserthal.. and concentrate on getting an adequate 3b cf and #1 pitcher.
does some need to answer that?
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 29, 2005, 03:54:28 PM
whats wrong with howard at catcher.. big target.. doesn't have to move much.. can get rid of loserthal.. and concentrate on getting an adequate 3b cf and #1 pitcher.
does some need to answer that?
no, treat that question the same way you treat a rape victim when they walk into the room. you look away and think about something else.
Rusch vs Rodriguez in a half hour. Go Cubs. :-\
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 29, 2005, 04:15:04 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 29, 2005, 03:54:28 PM
whats wrong with howard at catcher.. big target.. doesn't have to move much.. can get rid of loserthal.. and concentrate on getting an adequate 3b cf and #1 pitcher.
does some need to answer that?
no, treat that question the same way you treat a rape victim when they walk into the room. you look away and think about something else.
Ugh. That was a despicable comment.
Funny, but still, despicable.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 29, 2005, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 29, 2005, 04:15:04 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 29, 2005, 03:54:28 PM
whats wrong with howard at catcher.. big target.. doesn't have to move much.. can get rid of loserthal.. and concentrate on getting an adequate 3b cf and #1 pitcher.
does some need to answer that?
no, treat that question the same way you treat a rape victim when they walk into the room. you look away and think about something else.
Ugh. That was a despicable comment.
Funny, but still, despicable.
Hey, he could have said, "Treat that question the same way you treat a rape victim when they walk into the room. Throw her clothes at her and tell her she's dead if she calls the cops." Now
that would have been despicable.
1-0 Astros btm 3 :(
Matt Murton. Outta Here! 1-1!!
HR Derek Lee.
Rusch rulz!
If they hold on tonight, they only need to lose 2 out of 3 to the Cubs, which I don' t think is out of the question at all.
Watch the Cubs do it for us, but the Phillies lose against Washington.
:-D
3-1 Cubbies. :paranoid
Cubs win 3-2. Astros thrown out at home plate to end the game.
FAITH BABY! NEVER DOUBT TEAMS WITH DAVID BELL
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2005, 10:25:50 PM
FAITH BABY! NEVER DOUBT TEAMS WITH DAVID BELL
:-D :-D
It was funny watching Jason Lane pump his fist after he got that basehit tonight thinking he won the game, only to see Gipson thrown out at the plate. :-D
And We Pray. :evil :evil :evil
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 29, 2005, 10:09:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 09:41:15 AMhe'd be our CF of the future
:sly He's a year younger than Abreu
Yes, I realize he's no spring chicken. So I should've said "he'd be our CF for the forseeable future".
I luv me sum Torii Hunter though. Probably my favortite non-Phil in MLB. There are rumors that the Twins will trade him because his salary next year is too much for the frugal Twinkies.
I'd LOVE to see him in Philly.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2005, 11:37:01 AM
You guys can't be serious trying to trade Abreu. All he does is have a .400+ obp, 100 rbi's, 100 runs, 100 walks, a near .300 avg, 20 homers, constantley leads the league in pitchers seen and pitchers per at bat. He is the best player on this team, I think him playing at 50% this past two weeks has warped your mind into thinking hes not that good. He is.
Burrell I wouldn't mind, but right now he's your only right handed power in the lineup. You need someone to break the lefties up somehow. What can you get for him and that contract? I dont know....
You know I am a Bobby A fan. I defended him a lot this year and it still bothers me to hear him get blasted like he does. He ain't perfect but he does not deserve the wrath that he gets from WIP and some Phils fans.
However, I would entertain the idea of trading him or Pat Burrell, whichever can get you more via trade. We
need a top-of-the-rotation starter. And I think one of these guys is the best trading chip.
C - Sign a defensive minded C...I don't care if he has a light bat (Marz said this yesterday) and release Mike Lieberthal or he'd be on expensive ass backup.
1B - Thome ( you know no one wants him and if they do, the Phils will have to eat alot of his salary. And if Belland/or LIeby are jettisoned, they cannot eat 3 players salary)
2B - Utley
3B - Hello, free agent or trade. Goodbye MDS' role model and hero.
SS - James Calvin Rollins
LF - Ryan Howard
CF - Torii Hunter
RF - Bobby Abreu
Granted that is a LH heavy lineup, but what else are you going to do? Unless they trade Bobby and Pat, this is how it would have to be. Because I would give Victorino a shot in RF and bat him 1st or 2nd.
SP1 - Acquire via trade
SP2 - Jon Lieber
SP3 - Brett Myers
SP4 - Randy Wolf (when he comes back)
SP5 - Corey Lidle
Not re-signing Billy Wagner is going to be a BAD, BAD, BAD move. We're going to be stuck with some lameass...watch. Mark my words.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 29, 2005, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 29, 2005, 01:39:06 PM
He'd be no different than Floyd or Ramirez...
I wonder if they'd give it another shot after seeing more of him this year. He's more nimble and has more speed than they originally thought. 2 triples in one week? :o
Marzano was WIP today and he said that's what he's hearing from them down there, that they might give him another shot in LF
Yep, an I am all for that.
He also said that the people he spoke to said only these players are untouchable...
Rollins
Utley
Howard
Myers
Everyone else will be shopped.
Then that genius Mike Missinell says he wants "The Nicaraguan Nightmare" Vicente Padilla as the closer. I like Padilla, but I would shop him via trade for a 3B or C.
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2005, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on September 29, 2005, 03:54:28 PM
whats wrong with howard at catcher.. big target.. doesn't have to move much.. can get rid of loserthal.. and concentrate on getting an adequate 3b cf and #1 pitcher.
does some need to answer that?
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 03:38:50 AM
Then that genius Mike Missinell says he wants "The Nicaraguan Nightmare" Vicente Padilla as the closer. I like Padilla, but I would shop him via trade for a 3B or C.
i like Mike Miss more than most, when you can get past the fact that most of the stuff he says is just to rile up the fans, he's pretty enjoyable to listen to, IMO.
Conlin also suggested the Padilla/closer thing today in his column. you had always heard when they got Padilla that he could be a closer.
the one thing that concerns me is still J-Roll, he's great defensively and the hitting streak is great. but at the end of last year, we all thought that he figured out the leadoff spot, and it was clear this year that he didn't. they need somebody who can get on base more regularly.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 30, 2005, 08:19:25 AM
i like Mike Miss more than most, when you can get past the fact that most of the stuff he says is just to rile up the fans, he's pretty enjoyable to listen to, IMO.
Go figure.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 30, 2005, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 30, 2005, 08:19:25 AM
i like Mike Miss more than most, when you can get past the fact that most of the stuff he says is just to rile up the fans, he's pretty enjoyable to listen to, IMO.
Go figure.
what? :sly
Mike Missanelli is an idiot. He's no better than Eskin or Cataldi. He whines and complains like a 12 year old girl about everything.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 30, 2005, 08:33:19 AM
Mike Missanelli is an idiot. He's no better than Eskin or Cataldi. He whines and complains like a 12 year old girl about everything.
oh, i thought the go figure was a slight at me in some way...
i'm still thinking it might be.
LOL..just doesn't surprise me in the least that you really like Missanelli. :-D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 30, 2005, 08:33:19 AM
Mike Missanelli is an idiot. He's no better than Eskin or Cataldi. He whines and complains like a 12 year old girl about everything.
12 year-old girls everywhere just cringed at that statement.
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 30, 2005, 08:19:25 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 03:38:50 AM
Then that genius Mike Missinell says he wants "The Nicaraguan Nightmare" Vicente Padilla as the closer. I like Padilla, but I would shop him via trade for a 3B or C.
i like Mike Miss more than most, when you can get past the fact that most of the stuff he says is just to rile up the fans, he's pretty enjoyable to listen to, IMO.
Conlin also suggested the Padilla/closer thing today in his column. you had always heard when they got Padilla that he could be a closer.
the one thing that concerns me is still J-Roll, he's great defensively and the hitting streak is great. but at the end of last year, we all thought that he figured out the leadoff spot, and it was clear this year that he didn't. they need somebody who can get on base more regularly.
Yes, I was briefly on the "Vicente as a closer" wagon. However if they do go get a #1 type guy and Wolf comes back then they have nowhere to put Crazy Vicente. If Wolf is out until July, then Robinson Tejeda can fill in at #5 and Lidle at #4.
I would use Padilla as trade bait. Teams were scouting him hard before the deadline. Use that bait (as pitching reigns supreme in the market) to get a 3B or C.
Rollins is miscast as a lead-off guy. I am a huge JRoll fan and I do not dispute that. But just because he is forced to bat there he shouldn't be penalized because he's not the prototypical leadoff guy. He'd be great in the 6th, 7th 8th or 2nd hole.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 09:11:37 AM
Rollins is miscast as a lead-off guy. I am a huge JRoll fan and I do not dispute that. But just because he is forced to bat there he shouldn't be penalized because he's not the prototypical leadoff guy. He'd be great in the 6th, 7th 8th or 2nd hole.
i agree with you partially when you say he shouldn't be penalized for being miscast as a leadoff guy.
J-Roll's skill set is such that he should
try to be an effective leadoff hitter. It appears to me that he doesn't care about being that. He just wants to swing freely and hit a lot of flyballs. I think that if he really wanted to, he could be a teriffic leadoff hitter, but he doesn't seem to want to be that. So, I put some blame on the managers who keep putting him there, and I put some blame on Rollins.
During this torrid streak he's been getting better at selecting pitches. I think Milt Thompson finally got through to him a little bit. I hope he realizes that it only helps him to see what the pitchers got before going hackin'.
Does anyone else find it ironic that Milt Thompson is a hitting coach?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 09:29:55 AM
I think Milt Thompson finally got through to him a little bit. I hope he realizes that it only helps him to see what the pitchers got before going hackin'.
i think we are past him learning or realizing anything else about hitting. i just think he is what he is.
and what he is, is a good player, they just need to get a leadoff hitter and hit Rollins 2.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 30, 2005, 09:30:57 AM
Does anyone else find it ironic that Milt Thompson is a hitting coach?
No, why? He was a good hitter.
He's better than Richie Hebner and Greg Gross though.
Why are career .280 hitters hired as hitting coaches?
I've always found that strange. How about hiring guys who hit .330? I'm fairly certain Rod Carew isn't working anywhere. How about hiring him? Or Tony Gwynn, for that matter. I know he digs coaching at San Diego State but how about interviewing him for the manager's job this offseason? He could be the manager and hitting coach.
Just a thought.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 09:35:47 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 30, 2005, 09:30:57 AM
Does anyone else find it ironic that Milt Thompson is a hitting coach?
No, why? He was a good hitter.
He's better than Richie Hebner and Greg Gross though.
Milt was a .274 career hitter, career .335 OBP, never drew more than 42 walks and never hit more than 42 extra base hits in a season. Shouldn't a hitting coach be a GOOD hitter, instead of a slightly below AVERAGE hitter?
AND, Gross was actually a markedly better hitter. In just about every statistical way.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 30, 2005, 09:41:09 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 09:35:47 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 30, 2005, 09:30:57 AM
Does anyone else find it ironic that Milt Thompson is a hitting coach?
No, why? He was a good hitter.
He's better than Richie Hebner and Greg Gross though.
Milt was a .274 career hitter, career .335 OBP, never drew more than 42 walks and never hit more than 42 extra base hits in a season. Shouldn't a hitting coach be a GOOD hitter, instead of a slightly below AVERAGE hitter?
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You want her. Admit it.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 30, 2005, 09:41:09 AM
AND, Gross was actually a markedly better hitter. In just about every statistical way.
yeah, but the players have "fun" and feel "comfortable" with Gross? that's what coaching is all about
I just hated looking at Gross...he annoyed me. And Hebner wore his hat like an idiot. Yeah, my reasons are stupid. :-D
I sometimes think hitting coaches are overrated though. Those prima donnas do what they wanna do anyways.
"Hey Pat...quit swinging at that slider thats 8 inches off the plate and in the dirt"
"Uhhh....where the bitches at?"
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 30, 2005, 09:44:41 AM
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You want her. Admit it.
I am unimpressed with her. But she's famous and probably likes it white-trash-fifth-base style, so sure. I'd poke her eye out with the dong.
1. Howard can't play LF. He's too big and slow. We would become the Red Sox without the pitching and no DH. I don't like it. Eat some salary if you have to, but Howard is going to have to be your firstbasemen on opening day next year. I love Thome, but it just isn't gonna work. Shame, but such is life.
2. Torri Hunter is an injury waiting to happen. I think 1 out of the past 4 years he's played an entire season. He hits about .260 and obviously is a spectacular defensive outfielder. But he always gets hurt diving for balls and what not. Not to mention, Lofton/Michaels can be an effective platoon for another year, Shane Victorino deserves a look at CF, and Chris Roberson is near major league ready. My thinking was to keep CF in house this year, then give Roberson the job next year. But, if Roberson and/or Victorino can be packaged into a deal with Burrell or Thome for a frontline SP, I would be all for it. Only thing is, getting Hunter would be the only way I could see Howard in left. Be sorta like Andruw Jones with Chipper Jones and John Kruk with Lenny Dykstra. But Howard played some LF and simply couldn't do it.
3. I was orginally for Padilla as a closer, thought he had the stuff for it. But the guy is insane. I'm tired of his act. I'd like to go in a different direction with him. Some team out there would give us a quality bench player or relief pitcher for Padilla. You can then have competition for the 5th spot with people on the roster (Tejeda, Floyd, Brito) and sign someone to be the ace or near ace (Myers, Lieber, and someone just as good as them would be fine) quality.
And lets hope the person making these decision is not Ed Wade.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 03:22:35 AM
It was funny watching Jason Lane pump his fist after he got that basehit tonight thinking he won the game, only to see Gipson thrown out at the plate. :-D
And We Pray. :evil :evil :evil
that wasn't Jason Lane, it was Luke Scott.
Go Nats!
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2005, 10:16:33 AM1. Howard can't play LF. He's too big and slow.
That was the complaint earlier this year, but the guy had 2 triples this week and has shown mobility at 1st. If Manny and Cliff Floyd can play LF, why can't Ryan?
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 30, 2005, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2005, 10:16:33 AM1. Howard can't play LF. He's too big and slow.
That was the complaint earlier this year, but the guy had 2 triples this week and has shown mobility at 1st. If Manny and Cliff Floyd can play LF, why can't Ryan?
i think he can.
john kruk played LF, Luzinski played LF...there's plenty of precendent.
no harm in a defensive replacement late in games too.
He has all winter to learn the position. It's not as if someone's asking him to learn how to pitch, for God's sake.
The guy's a keeper. If they can't resolve the Thome situation or if Big Jim comes back healthy, they have to do something with Howard. LF seems like a reasonable alternative.
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 30, 2005, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 30, 2005, 10:16:33 AM1. Howard can't play LF. He's too big and slow.
That was the complaint earlier this year, but the guy had 2 triples this week and has shown mobility at 1st. If Manny and Cliff Floyd can play LF, why can't Ryan?
Manny sucks in LF. Actually, he's worse than sucking. It's a disgrace to the sport to see him in left. Floyd is slimmer and quicker than Howard.
I don't think Howard would be a good idea in left. #1 you don't have a stellar defensive CF or RF to make him ground. #2 you need someone better at 3B to help with bloopers. #3 does he even have the arm for LF? Can he throw anyone out? #4 do you want the entire middle of the order to be lefthanded? #5 is Thome even healthy? Trade Burrell only to find out Thome still belongs on the DL.
I don't like the idea.
Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth:
1. Trade Thome (his back will get no better at 35 than it is now) to an AL team and get something for him. Howard deserved the starting 1B job next year.
2. Trade Lieberthal for a sack of monkey semen for all I care. I really wish they had made Pratt the starter this season to keep Lieberthal from vesting. Bring in a good defensive catcher that will hit .250. At least he'd be good defensively, which is more than we get from Lieberthal.
3. Eat the contract, send Bell away. I'd rather watch Juan Richardson butcher third next season than see Bell another season.
4. GET A FRONTLINE STARTER. Trade for one, sign one, I don't care.
5. Re-sign Wagner. Phils need an ace reliever next season.
6. Torii Hunter is one of my all-time favorite players. He's exciting to watch and a really nice person to boot. I saw him playing FSL A-ball for the Ft. Myers Miracle 11 years ago, and in Spring Training each year, and he really hasn't changed a bit. That said, I don't think he'd be a good fit for the Phils' lineup. He'd bring another 100+ Strikeout, <.330 OBP bat to a lineup that is already saturated from those type of hitters. The Phils need a high OBP guy that can hit either #1 (ideally) or #2. He's probably pass 30 HRs playing in CBP, but the Phils' offense is all-or-nothing already. They need someone that can make their run-scoring more consistent. If he didn't get hurt so dang much, I'd say keep Lofton there (.392 OBP) and play him everyday. Heck, the platoon of Lofton and Michaels (.399 OBP) are probably fine for the CF/Leadoff position. They should hit leadoff and allow Rollins to hit #2.
Keep:
1. Rollins
2. Abreu
3. Howard
4. Utley
5. Myers
6. Wagner (Probably a pipe dream at this point)
Get rid of:
1. David ^$#@#^#@^&#@*& Bell
2. Lieberthal
3. Tomas Perez
Trade if it gets you needed parts:
1. Burrell (I just see him having a down year next season- he's not consistent): If Burr
2. Thome (if keeping Burrell)
Working lineup for next season:
1. Lofton/Michaels platoon CF
2. Rollins SS
3. Abreu
4. Thome/Burrell (Whichever we keep)
5. Utley
6. Howard
7. New 3B/C
8. New 3B/C
9. Pitcher
Starting Rotation:
1. New Pitcher (PLEASE!)
2. Lieber
3. Myers
4. Lidle/Padilla/Floyd
Fearless Prediction: Madson will see time in the rotation next season.
% Chance of Wade/Manuel being fired: 25
If Wade if fired Fearless (and Clueless :D) prediction #2: Mike Schmidt is new GM. Would it make sense? No. But remember- it's the Phillies. He'd have to be better than Wade.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 30, 2005, 10:56:39 AM
Luzinski played LF.
no harm in a defensive replacement late in games too.
see Manny Mota
Quote from: Mad-Lad on September 30, 2005, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 03:22:35 AM
It was funny watching Jason Lane pump his fist after he got that basehit tonight thinking he won the game, only to see Gipson thrown out at the plate. :-D
And We Pray. :evil :evil :evil
that wasn't Jason Lane, it was Luke Scott.
Go Nats!
I came into this very thread just to state that, but you beat me to it. high five!!111
i can kind of see scott doing that prematurely, hes young.
% Chance of Wade/Manuel being fired: 25
btwn the venom in the city being at an all-time high and the huge attendance drop i think they are gone....90+%
Fearless Prediction: Madson will see time in the rotation next season.
michael bourne is next years starting center fielder
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 30, 2005, 03:01:30 PM
michael bourne is next years starting center fielder
what was his OBP% in Reading?
i think its like .350-.360...but hed bat 8th
he can run, right?
the motherfarger can flyeeeeeeee
btw i just looked it up...his on base was .348
Rollins 34 games, 40 SB.
2-1 Phillies.
3-1.
Dave Bell does it all.
1-1 cubs/astros in the 6th
Kenny Lofton called his boy Dusty Baker and asked him to pull out all the stops this weekend in Houston.
Derrek Lee ties the game in Houston at 1-1 with a sack fly( I have it up on Gamecast).
COME ON CUBBIES!!
4-2 Phils...Livan shoul finally be outta there considering he threw like 140 pitches.
Nomar got a 2 out single in the 8th to give Cubs a 2-1 lead
Single, pop out, HR later...Assmotherfargingtros are up 3-2. Sonofabitch is just about done.
3-3 top 9
2nd 3rd 0 outs, cubs at bat
come on goddamn cubs!
4-3 CUBS!
Holy shtein Lidge sucks!
Wagner and Urbina both almost blew it, but hey, they won.
3 more outs and were 1 back!
David Bell superstar base ball player!!
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CUBS WIN!!
GODDaMN PHILS ARE 1 BACK...2 TO PLAY
I never knew what a heart attack felt like, until now.
Godbless those Cubs.
I'm gonna shtein myself. 1 game out!
i still farging hate this team.
:P
but this could get interesting.
Only 1 game back but I still hate Urbina. :evil
Watch the Astros and Phillies both lose their next two :-D
Apparantley none other than CB Bucknor is umpiring the Astros/Cubs series and has farged up some calls for the Astros. Way to go to you zesty pile of crap :yay
Yay Cubs!
If they tie...who the hell is going to start the 1 game playoff? Padilla?!?
But the good thing is that Azzholes used up Pettitte, Clemens and Oswalt (on Sunday).
Padilla vs. Backe to go to the playoffs if they tie! :-D
And the Phils BP is about toasted, fellas. Crispy effin' toast, those guys.
We're going to see Rheal Cormier in a big spot tomorrow and/or Sunday. :'(
Yea the pen is pretty much cooked. Except for Aaron Fultz. But he's not allowed to pitch in clutch spots. Manuel will wear out Urbina and Wagner every game. It would help if Myers and Lieber can work a CG, or if the offense can smack the shtein out of Patterson and Carrasco so we dont have to worry about it. Well, thats not how the Phillies role. 1 run games is the only way to go.
Wags was actually fine today. Made 1 bad pitch to Byrd and a stupid hit batter was the other baserunner. He then gave up a weak groundball and a pop up. He's fine. Its Urbina I'm worried about. Utley made a nice play in the 7th to stop a rally. Why didnt Fultz come in and force the lefty-lefty matchup on Wilkerson? Because Manuel only trusts two guys at this point. Thats redonculous. Fultz has been fantastic. Use him.
Yes, El Loco de Vince Padilla will go monday against Brandon Backe. I'm not sure what I want more, the Phillies losing within these next two games or getting to monday and losing in some extruciatingly frusturating form against the Astros. Were 0 for our last 12 against them. We knew what happened when they were here last time. I'll probably kill myself during that game.
Best case scenario:
Myers pitches 7 strong tomorrow and the Phils put up a huge lead, something like 12-4 or 9-1 so Aqualino Lopez can finish it off.
But with John Patterson pitching, he's a tough matchup despite being a RHP. But we have to hope for a goddamn blowout to save the bullpen. I hope Utley and Howard feast on Patterson. Bobby A is really hurting. His shoulder and his leg are killing him and he isn't doing shtein right now.
I'd strongly consider playing Victorino in RF tomorrow night. But we know Manuel won't.
On Sunday we'll need Lieber to pitch a CG or 8 strong. Or like I said...hope for another f'ing blowout so he can get out of there in the 6th. Carrasco pitching gives thema shot at a blowout. Better shot at blowing them out with him on the mound versus Patterson.
Also...I FARGING HATE 4PM games on Saturdays.
Really odd that Fox moved the game considering only those in Philly, Houston, Chicago and DC areas are getting it. MLB is stupid, so they don't have DH's on saturdays....not even at this time of the year. So we won't get the Yankees/Sox game here, and really nobody is getting a 4pm game. The only plus from this is Fox can give us constant updates of the Astros game and if the Phillies finish first, we can go to the end of the Astros game.
I'm feeling good things from Myers today. Good thing about Clemens going is that he's coming off an injury and probably can lost longer than the 6th or 7th. The last thing I want to see is us needing to win and needing Roy Owalt to lose. I figured the Astros could lose the Rodriguez start, the Clemens start and maybe one of the Pettitte/Oswalt. Well....so far things look like they might fall into place.
Clemens tonight. Myers too.
Amazingly, they both have identical 12-8 records.
Sweet Jesus, please, please...
:-\
BTW: God is finally paying me off for watching all of those Daytona Cubs games through the years. Dozens and dozens of games I've watched and now Chicago is going to do it for us.
Woot!
:-D
I luv me sum Cubs.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 01, 2005, 08:44:41 AM
I luv me sum Cubs.
I'm literally wearing my Daytona Cubs hat right now.
:-D
ill be in rfk today and tomorrow...listen for the eagle chants
QuoteClemens is 1-2 with a 5.40 ERA in four starts this month, and he has been bothered with a sore hamstring. Oswalt is 1-1 with a 4.50 ERA in two starts against the Cubs this season