QuoteSixers to extend King's contract
By PHIL JASNER
jasnerp@phillynews.com
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. - The 76ers, it turns out, have one fewer free agent than they could have had.
That is because Billy King, the general manager since May 19, 1998, and the combination president/general manager since May 26, 2003, has a verbal agreement with chairman Ed Snider to extend his contract.
King's contract was due to expire after this season.
King will apparently continue in both roles, although he has been expanding the duties of senior vice president and assistant general manager Tony DiLeo. It is even possible that, down the road, DiLeo could become the general manager.
In any case King and DiLeo remain in position to deal with their free-agent players, primarily starting center Samuel Dalembert, starting small forward Kyle Korver and backup guard Willie Green. All are restricted; the Sixers can match any offer for Dalembert and can match offers for Korver and Green up to the average NBA salary, which will be roughly $5 million.
King has said repeatedly that he fully intends to match any offers for all three players.
King would not comment on his contractual situation, but has said he would like to add, among other things, either a big shooting guard or a point guard with perimeter skills. The latter move would allow Allen Iverson to spend more time at shooting guard, the position he played when the Sixers went to the Finals in 2001.
King, though, said he doesn't necessarily see the need for a major personnel move.
"Sometimes you can keep tinkering, tinkering, tinkering, and never get any continuity," he said before last night's game against the Detroit Pistons. "The year before we went to the Finals, everybody said we didn't make any moves and we wouldn't be any good. The way we looked at it was, our guys had been together and were getting used to playing together.
"Going into next season, Kyle and Willie will be in their third seasons, Samuel will be in his fifth. I think there are pieces that you need to add, but right now we don't need any more young guys. If we had our [first-round] pick this season, I don't think there would be somebody there who would make a big difference. I'd like to do what other teams do, which is add veterans, maybe guys on 1-year deals."
Step 1 was bringing back Billy King, which isn't drawing rave reviews on the radio. But I like it. I was critical of him early on, but I like what he's done the last two years. Once Larry left, Billy has brought in some good young talent.
So who's the "big shooting guard or the point with perimeter skills"? Any guesses or hopes?
I still want a defensive minded guy brought in first.
And a question...
Can they break up that MLE to sign several guys or must they blow it on one guy? I found the 1-year deals thing interesting.
QuoteKing, though, said he doesn't necessarily see the need for a major personnel move.
"Sometimes you can keep tinkering, tinkering, tinkering, and never get any continuity," he said before last night's game against the Detroit Pistons. "The year before we went to the Finals, everybody said we didn't make any moves and we wouldn't be any good. The way we looked at it was, our guys had been together and were getting used to playing together.
Utterly farging clueless. :-D
Ed Wade is smarter than that idiot. :paranoid
Ummmm....no way you're serious. And if you are, call 911 immediately, bro! :-D
phreak...i'm pretty sure they can split the MLE. but only garbage players would make that little $$$.
i might as well move that free agent link over here. :P
http://probasketball.about.com/od/newsrumorsopinion/a/nbateamneeds05_2.htm
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2005, 08:46:25 AM
So who's the "big shooting guard or the point with perimeter skills"? Any guesses or hopes?
pg- damon jones or jeff mcinnis :sly
sg- demarr johnson or latrell spreewell :paranoid
JUST SAY NO TO SPREE
i would have said "yes" to Spree a couple years ago, but now there's no way in hell i'd want him on the roster.
Mcinnis is a knucklehead too. Screw that!
i know. i put spree on there as a joke. :-D
damon jones can knock down the 3 ball...i think he made more than korver this season. he's only a rfa though...not sure they could steal him from miami with the MLE.
i don't like mcinnis either but i was throwing his name out there since he might take the MLE.
I like Korver a lot, but agree with the masses that he shouldn't be starting.
I have no idea what the Sixers should do as far as free agency. I'm not sure if Donyell Marshall is worth it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2005, 08:51:48 AM
Ummmm....no way you're serious. And if you are, call 911 immediately, bro! :-D
The guy who cleans out my rain gutters would make a better Phillies GM than Ed Wade. ;)
But I was serious about Billy King. If he sees no need to immediately upgrade the talent on the Sixers, then he should be shtein-canned immediately. The Sixers need defense, rebounding and shooting help. If he can't see that, he's utterly farging clueless.
Quote from: mhunt on May 04, 2005, 08:54:10 AM
i might as well move that free agent link over here. :P
http://probasketball.about.com/od/newsrumorsopinion/a/nbateamneeds05_2.htm
I'd love to get Michael Redd, but there's no way in hell. I think he'll end up going to Cleveland if they can't land Ray Allen.
I'd also like to see Cat Mobley come back to Philly. But would he take the MLE?
I was hoping that Tayshaun Prince was a FA -- but he's not.
Isn't Dermarr Johnson that dude who broke his neck in a car accident while playing for ATL?
Quote from: jerome99RIP on May 04, 2005, 09:13:32 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2005, 08:51:48 AM
Ummmm....no way you're serious. And if you are, call 911 immediately, bro! :-D
The guy who cleans out my rain gutters would make a better Phillies GM than Ed Wade. ;)
But I was serious about Billy King. If he sees no need to immediately upgrade the talent on the Sixers, then he should be shtein-canned immediately. The Sixers need defense, rebounding and shooting help. If he can't see that, he's utterly farging clueless.
Well, the way I took his comment was that he doesn't need to make a major splash. That he doesn't (and couldn't even if he wanted to) import big name talent.
They need scrappy role players like that 2001 team. If they could get two guys like George Lynch on the defensive end (but with a jumpshot) and combine them with AI & CWebb and the youngin's...then I'm happy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2005, 09:15:00 AM
I'd love to get Michael Redd, but there's no way in hell. I think he'll end up going to Cleveland if they can't land Ray Allen.
I'd also like to see Cat Mobley come back to Philly. But would he take the MLE?
I was hoping that Tayshaun Prince was a FA -- but he's not.
Isn't Dermarr Johnson that dude who broke his neck in a car accident while playing for ATL?
Redd = awesome, but you're right.... there's no way in hell.
There's also no way in hell Mobley would take the MLE.
Demarr Johnson IS the kid that broke his neck. Where's he at now, Denver?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2005, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: mhunt on May 04, 2005, 08:54:10 AM
i might as well move that free agent link over here. :P
http://probasketball.about.com/od/newsrumorsopinion/a/nbateamneeds05_2.htm
I'd love to get Michael Redd, but there's no way in hell. I think he'll end up going to Cleveland if they can't land Ray Allen.
I'd also like to see Cat Mobley come back to Philly. But would he take the MLE?
I was hoping that Tayshaun Prince was a FA -- but he's not.
Isn't Dermarr Johnson that dude who broke his neck in a car accident while playing for ATL?
yeah...dermarr is the broken neck guy. although he's a big sg (6'9, i think), he wouldn't really fit obie's system. he's not much of a shooter...more of an athletic, take it to the hoop sg.
cat made $5.884 mill this season so i don't think he'd take a paycut to accept the MLE...i think the MLE is around $4.5-5.0 mill...of course, it all depends on how much interest there is. how's his defense, anyway?
jones is only 6'3 but can play both guard spots...he made around $2.5 mill this season.
mcinnis is 6'4 & plays good D...he made $3.6 mill.
redd will get near-max $$$ so that ain't happening.
Scrappy role players?
Ahahahaha!
Yeah, that'll beat Shaq & Wade.
:-*
Also - Mobley is looking to get p-a-i-d. That's why Orlando traded him. They tried to sign him to an extension and found out what he was looking for in terms of dollars. The result? They traded him for Doug Christie. :-D
Speaking of idiocy, did anyone read Hofmann's article this morning regarding Iverson?
I wonder how much Ed Snider paid him to write that ridiculous drivel?
>:D
i read it.
i think hoffman was just trying to be "different". :P basically, all the article said is that iverson is their best player (no kidding) & they wouldn't get fair value for him in a trade. the rest was BS & fluff.
the part about iverson hogging the ball so the young players don't have to deal with the pressure of actually touching the ball did make me chuckle though. :-D
Quote from: jerome99RIP on May 04, 2005, 10:53:46 AM
Scrappy role players?
Ahahahaha!
Yeah, that'll beat Shaq & Wade.
:-*
Thats what a lot of people thought about the Pistons last year. A lot of role players. Obviously they are way better than the Sixers but the Philly isn't that far off from being real competitive in the East. I thought they aquitted themselves well against the Pistons in this series.
Quote from: NGM on May 04, 2005, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on May 04, 2005, 10:53:46 AM
Scrappy role players?
Ahahahaha!
Yeah, that'll beat Shaq & Wade.
:-*
Thats what a lot of people thought about the Pistons last year. A lot of role players. Obviously they are way better than the Sixers but the Philly isn't that far off from being real competitive in the East. I thought they aquitted themselves well against the Pistons in this series.
:-D
Bring back Ira Bowmen!!
i just read that the nets want donyell...he'd probably go there over philly, especially since he & vince are boys from their raptors days.
Quote from: mhunt on May 04, 2005, 02:14:55 PM
i just read that the nets want donyell...he'd probably go there over philly, especially since he & vince are boys from their raptors days.
He probably has street cred too. >:D
I don't expect King to make a splash either, Sixers have few assets to trade and no cap room. No surprise by that comment.
Quote from: jerome99RIP on May 04, 2005, 10:53:46 AM
Scrappy role players?
Ahahahaha!
Yeah, that'll beat Shaq & Wade.
:-*
Also - Mobley is looking to get p-a-i-d. That's why Orlando traded him. They tried to sign him to an extension and found out what he was looking for in terms of dollars. The result? They traded him for Doug Christie. :-D
I think you meant that they traded him for Doug Christie's controlling wife.
How'd the Magic do this year, Romey? :P :-*
billy king said he'll do whatever he can to keep green, sammy, & kyle...the last 2 make some sense but why keep willie if the coach is convinced he can't play with iverson?
???
Perhaps Billy and Tony are going to sit Obie down and tell him to fit him in?
Jasner was saying on DNL how Obie must devise a better scheme to fit Webber in. He said they couldn't just scrap the scheme in February when Webber arrived, so it'll be up to him to get something going that is more beneficial to him.
I think green will be traded unless O'brien is fired. He doesn't fit here with O'brien and Billy has to say the right things to the media, but if someone wants him they might work a sign and trade.
Sign-and-trade Green to Toronto for our #16 pick back, then draft Sean May or Hakim Warrick.... :deion
Iguodala finishes a distant 4th in ROY voting, way behind Okafor, Gordon and Howard.... :boo
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2005, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on May 04, 2005, 10:53:46 AM
Scrappy role players?
Ahahahaha!
Yeah, that'll beat Shaq & Wade.
:-*
Also - Mobley is looking to get p-a-i-d. That's why Orlando traded him. They tried to sign him to an extension and found out what he was looking for in terms of dollars. The result? They traded him for Doug Christie. :-D
I think you meant that they traded him for Doug Christie's controlling wife.
How'd the Magic do this year, Romey? :P :-*
15 games better than last year, Phreak. Also - they'll have a shot in the lottery instead of being blown out in the first round of the playoffs like the Iverson's did.
Plus I didn't have to pay for playoff tickets. Which is nice. :-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 05, 2005, 12:38:58 AM
Sign-and-trade Green to Toronto for our #16 pick back, then draft Sean May or Hakim Warrick.... :deion
if billy king can get the 16th pick for willie green, i'd give him a hug. :paranoid ;)
Quote from: jerome99RIP on May 05, 2005, 07:38:12 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2005, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: jerome99RIP on May 04, 2005, 10:53:46 AM
Scrappy role players?
Ahahahaha!
Yeah, that'll beat Shaq & Wade.
:-*
Also - Mobley is looking to get p-a-i-d. That's why Orlando traded him. They tried to sign him to an extension and found out what he was looking for in terms of dollars. The result? They traded him for Doug Christie. :-D
I think you meant that they traded him for Doug Christie's controlling wife.
How'd the Magic do this year, Romey? :P :-*
15 games better than last year, Phreak. Also - they'll have a shot in the lottery instead of being blown out in the first round of the playoffs like the Iverson's did.
Plus I didn't have to pay for playoff tickets. Which is nice. :-D
Good job with the coaching debacle down there. Johnny Davis shouldn't have been there in the first place. :P
At least you got rid of Me-Mac. Too bad Stevie Franchise isn't much better. :-*
Quote from: mhunt on May 05, 2005, 08:01:38 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 05, 2005, 12:38:58 AM
Sign-and-trade Green to Toronto for our #16 pick back, then draft Sean May or Hakim Warrick.... :deion
if billy king can get the 16th pick for willie green, i'd give him a hug. :paranoid ;)
I like Willie, but if he swung that deal...I'd have you give BK a hug for me too.
I know there's no shot of that happening, but hey, Toronto's made dumber moves than that. Araujo!
i think they'll trade salmons for a pick...probably a 2nd rounder :-\
These guys suck.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 05, 2005, 02:22:41 PM
These guys suck.
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Could be people looking at the Sixers' roster next year:
"I've never heard of half of these guys, and the ones I do know are waaaaaay past their prime."
"Most of these guys never had a prime."
"This guy HERE is DEAD!"
"Cross him OFF then."
Iguodala makes All-Rookie First Team, Jameer makes the Second Team (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2054120)
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 05, 2005, 02:38:18 PM
Could be people looking at the Sixers' roster next year:
"I've never heard of half of these guys, and the ones I do know are waaaaaay past their prime."
"Most of these guys never had a prime."
"This guy HERE is DEAD!"
"Cross him OFF then."
2nd best movie ever (behind NL's Christmas Vacation).
"Hello, Jim? This is Billy King of the 76ers. How'd you like to come coach the team?
"I don't know, Billy. I got a guy on another line asking about some whitewalls. Lemme get back to ya."
Phreak...totally agree! When I was in college, I used to watch this VHS tape over and over again. I fell asleep to the music at the end of the movie...lol
"You tellin' me Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
I watch it everytime it's on TV and I own it too. ;D
He also makes the first team for people who had no right attempting to create their own shot with 1 minute to go in game 4.
sammy gave another one of his "i'd like to come back but i don't want to be worrying about minutes" interviews yesterday.
AI finished fifth in the MVP voting, behind Nash, Shaq, Nowitzki and Duncan.... :P
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 08, 2005, 05:54:28 PM
AI finished fifth in the MVP voting, behind Nash, Shaq, Nowitzki and Duncan.... :P
Ridiculous. Sorry AI haters, but the team wasn't going to even be close to where they were this year without AI.
7th place team in the East got him that. He should've been 4th over Dirk, the Mavs have got plenty of other options.
yeah...the only one i'd question is dirk.
and players on 43 win teams don't win the mvp...4th would've been about right for ai.
I would put Lebron over Duncan and have AI at 3 Dirk at 4 and Lebron at 5. Statistically Duncan had one of his weaker years and also was hurt for a long stretch at the end where his team didn't completely fall into the tank and managed to finish with the second best record in basketball. Yes the Cavs didn't make the playoffs but it was anything but Lebron's fault. They wouldn't have even been in the race if Lebron wasn't on the team.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 08, 2005, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 08, 2005, 05:54:28 PM
AI finished fifth in the MVP voting, behind Nash, Shaq, Nowitzki and Duncan.... :P
Ridiculous. Sorry AI haters, but the team wasn't going to even be close to where they were this year without AI.
Nash = MVP anyway. Who cares even if AI deserved to be 2nd?
No links yet, but CSN reported that Sammy D has to go to court because a man renting a property from him was injured and Sammy did nothing about it.. ???
Like Sammy is a slumlord and some guy fell down a broken staircase and broke his leg and Sammy ignored it? ???
yeah
Huh. I didn't know Sammy was a landlord.
He better hope they go to court before he gets that fat free agent contract. :P
I read in the latest edition of the Sporting News that the Clips might be willing to trade Marko Jaric.
What's the deal with him? Could he be that PG that Billy wants so he can move AI back to 2? Is he any good? Would he fit here schemewise and salarywise? Would he be worth a sign and trade with Willie Green?
Get crazy white boy from New Orleans! Do it NOW!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2005, 03:47:54 PM
I read in the latest edition of the Sporting News that the Clips might be willing to trade Marko Jaric.
What's the deal with him? Could he be that PG that Billy wants so he can move AI back to 2? Is he any good? Would he fit here schemewise and salarywise? Would he be worth a sign and trade with Willie Green?
Quote.20 Marko Jaric Los Angeles Clippers
Position: PG
Born: 12/10/78
Height: 6-7
Weight: 198 lbs.
From: Serbia-Montenegro Very good in the open court... Not that good
when it comes to make plays on halfcourt attack... Not a pure point
guard... Must improve his playmaking skills... Excellent size and
athleticism... Can play all backcourt spots... Very quick and
explosive... Tough defender... A steal waiting to happen...
Consistent shooter... Drives to the basket very often... Used to
winning titles.
jaric might be a good fit...he's a big PG who can shoot.
What kind of salary is he making? When's his deal up?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2005, 02:26:32 PM
What kind of salary is he making? When's his deal up?
he made $2.1 mill this season & i'm pretty sure he's a restricted FA.
Cool.
So then a Willie Green sign-and-trade would work for him if the two teams were interested in doing so.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2005, 02:56:10 PM
Cool.
So then a Willie Green sign-and-trade would work for him if the two teams were interested in doing so.
i think so...shoot billy king an e-mail. ;D and i'm sure obie wouldn't object to willie leaving. :sly
BTW: Kobe got ZERO votes for MVP. :yay
Some nitwit voted for PJ Brown too. :-D
PJ Brown > Kobe
well, willie green's agent made a statement yesterday....willie loves philly but they have concerns about his playing time...said willie expected to be a starter this season but only wound up starting 20-25 games.
first dalembert, now green. way to go, obie. :boo
QuoteThe odd couple
C-Webb's answer to Philly problem:
I can't play with A.I.
WASHINGTON - All of the big-man, little-man pairings in the East aren't going quite as well as Shaquille O'Neal and Dwyane Wade. Their Batman and Robin routine could take the Miami Heat to its first NBA championship, depending, first and foremost, on O'Neal's physical condition the rest of the way.
The Sixers, are a long way from the Heat, especially when it comes to their big-man, little-man pairing. Not long after a first-round loss in the playoffs to the Pistons, Chris Webber confided to several close friends that playing with Allen Iverson drove him crazy.
"I can't play with him," Webber told one old friend. "He dribbles too much."
That's not exactly Shaq telling Wade before the Big Fella sat out Game 3 of the Miami-Washington series with a bum thigh, "you're the best player on the court. Now go out and play that way." As Wade later admitted, after putting the Wizards in a 3-0 hole with another eye-opening performance, "that's the kind of confidence you just can't buy."
Webber apparently isn't very confident that he and Iverson can make a successful tandem starting next season. After lamenting Iverson's me-first approach, he told his pal: "I'd take a pay cut to get out of there."
But the pay cut isn't happening, nor is Webber's imminent departure. It will be more than a little difficult for the Sixers to break up the Iverson-Webber pairing, meaning finding Webber a new team. He makes $63 million over the next three seasons, his knee isn't getting any better and next March he turns 33. So their ability to work together on the floor to help the Sixers improve on their 43 wins and seventh-place finish in the East is going to be Topic A when they go to training camp in October.
It's not as if Webber wasn't warned by people in the know that it would be close to impossible to work with Iverson. When he first became a Sixer at February's trading deadline, he ran into an old Big Ten pal, Glenn Robinson. The Sixers had once hoped that Big Dog would be the running buddy who would taking scoring pressure off Iverson, just as they once incorrectly envisioned Keith Van Horn in that very same role.
But Robinson, who also had problems with Iverson, shared some prophetic words with Webber.
"You won't able to play with him," the Big Dog warned.
This was a "report" from the NY Daily News. Which is about as reliable as the PHILLY Daily News.
QuoteReport: Sixers' Webber says he doesn't want to play with Iverson
The Sixers aren't in the playoffs but they are in the news, thanks to Chris Webber's published comments regarding playing with Allen Iverson.
The New York Daily News reported that after the Sixers' first-round loss in the playoffs, Webber told a close friend that he didn't exactly enjoy being on the court with Iverson.
"I can't play with him," Webber was quoted as telling an old friend. "He dribbles too much."
Furthermore, Webber apparently isn't sold on the idea that he and Iverson can gel any better next season.
Apparently, Webber was warned by former Sixers forward Glenn Ribinson that it would be difficult to play with the five-time All-Star. Webber said that Robinson told him, "You won't able to play with him."
Now, after having played 21 games with the Sixers, Webber seems to agree.
"I'd take a pay cut to get out of there," Webber reportedly told his friend.
Unfortunately for Webber, that's not likely to happen.
Webber, who turns 33 in March, is reportedly scheduled to make $63 million over the next three seasons, so moving him isn't much of an option.
yeah, i know....but there isn't much sixers news to talk about so what the heck. ;D
Something tells me if Webber's "old friend" had said, "AI is the best player I've ever played with...I can't wait until next year" you'd have refrained from posting it.....
i'm glad those mindreading courses are paying off for you. :-D
Even if these quotes are true, I'm sure it's Allen's fault that Webber continues to miss open 18 footers all the damn time. He dribbles too much, what do you expect?
i'm just wondering how that trade somehow turned chris webber into kenny thomas. ???
If Webber's unhappy, and Dalembert leaves for more money, and the Sixers are stuck with Jackson and Rogers as their big guys...
next year's gonna rule.
:'(
Quote from: mhunt on May 16, 2005, 09:54:26 AM
i'm just wondering how that trade somehow turned chris webber into kenny thomas. ???
Yeah, because Chris Webber's knee injury and being thrown into Obie's RIDICULOUS scheme...those are reasons he should have thrived. Ok.
That dude who wrote that in the NY paper is the same guy who Jasner and another NY writer who was on DNL were ripping into one night.
Jasner and the other NY writer were blasting Mitch Lawrence because he wrote a piece on Webber's "outburst" in Atlanta this year.
The thing is -- Lawrence wasn't even in ATL nor did he speak to anyone about it. But yet he made it sound like he was right there on the bench.
I don't put much stock in it to be honest.
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On Espn, webber said the reports were a lie.
Eh, everyone knew the NY media was at it again with their bull shtein.
It doesn't matter what Webber says or thinks because he's a fargin' bum.
"It's a lie," Webber said in a statement released by the team. "There's no way it is true. I have no issue with Allen Iverson and I look forward to next season and building a championship team."
Quote from: CSD on May 16, 2005, 06:03:54 PM
It doesn't matter what Webber says or thinks because he's a fargin' bum.
Huh? How do you figure? ???
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2005, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: CSD on May 16, 2005, 06:03:54 PM
It doesn't matter what Webber says or thinks because he's a fargin' bum.
Huh? How do you figure? ???
It's hard to find a player with so much talent who has come up small in so many big spots as many times as Chris Webber has throughout his career.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on May 16, 2005, 06:07:40 PM
"It's a lie," Webber said in a statement released by the team. "There's no way it is true. I have no issue with Allen Iverson and I look forward to next season and building a championship team."
yeah...like a player is gonna come out & say anything other than that. :-D
anyway, it's widely known that it's not easy to play with ai...whether webber actually said it or not. did any of you see stackhouse's comments on comcast last night? :P
Quote from: CSD on May 16, 2005, 05:57:48 PM
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yeah, i saw a commercial for that on csn this morning...i definitely want to pick it up. :yay
Screamin' A (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/basketball/11663389.htm)
Quote"I'm telling you I never said that b.s. about A.I.," Webber said vehemently over and over again, adding that he already had called Iverson. "I love A.I. I love being back East. I've got no problems with Allen and I don't know where the hell anybody got that from.
"I have a problem with me. I've got a problem with the fact that I can't run the way I used to, that my legs aren't as strong as they need to be, that my game isn't where it needs to be for me to be what I used to be. And that's what I'm determined to work on.
"My plan is to take two weeks off. After that, I'm back in the gym working on my body, getting in tip-top shape so I can show this town what I'm all about. As for all that talk about me saying something about A.I., that's a... lie. The person I have the biggest problem with is me."
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Webber isn't fond of O'Brien. Plain and simple. While it's been said that Webber mentioned Iverson's propensity to shoot too much and always pass later near season's end, I've heard it's O'Brien he blamed for his travails. Not Iverson.
Webber believes that Iverson only does what O'Brien plans for him to do, that his desire to be a facilitator was squelched immediately upon his arrival, which set the stage for some of his struggles. He doesn't believe that O'Brien can be talked to or reached, that the coach is even remotely interested in ingratiating himself with his players. That's one of the reasons a few players privately intimated they would inquire about O'Brien's future in Philadelphia once the season ended.
so today we believe sas? ;) ;D
btw, i have no doubts that the players dislike obie so i have no problem with that part.
i wouldn't mind seeing philly native eddie griffin in a sixers uniform next season....he has some baggage but he's 6'10, can play the 3 or 4 & can even shoot the 3 ball.
he's a free agent who "only" made $720K this season so you never know. ;D
I think most SAS haters still think he knows (and ONLY knows) basketball.
If he could stick with that sport, and keep his incessant racial crap out of his columns and stop screaming constantly....he would be tolerable and believable. Its when he starts spewing about stuff he knows nothing about (football, baseball, hockey...you all remember my emails with him regarding the Phillies where he blatantly said he doesn't watch baseball but someone told him something so he reported it as fact) that he makes himself an ass.
i'm not even sure he knows basketball. :-D he just yells a lot. :P
Quote from: mhunt on May 17, 2005, 10:59:36 AM
i'm not even sure he knows basketball. :-D he just yells a lot. :P
how-EV-ah!
Quote from: CSD on May 16, 2005, 05:57:48 PM
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76ers NBA Dynasty Series DVDs - Complete History of the Philadelphia 76ers (http://shop.sixers.com/store/sell?category=124%2C48087&partno=NBA-DYNASTYDVD-004)
QuoteRelive the greatest eras of professional basketball with one of the most storied franchise in professional sports history. Also for the first time ever on DVD get their greatest games in their entirety. This 5-disc special edition collector's set features the history of Philadelphia 76ers, including year-end compilation program highlighting the 1982 Championship season. Plus for the first time ever on DVD, the team's most memorable games in franchise history. This collector's set also includes a free bonus disc of one of the franchise's greatest players – Allen Iverson.
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Just like the Eagles DVD set. I'll wait till one of the two wins a championship and they update them before picking them up.
Quote from: mhunt on May 17, 2005, 10:11:16 AM
so today we believe sas? ;) ;D
btw, i have no doubts that the players dislike obie so i have no problem with that part.
Today SAS has actual quotes from the player. Yesterday it was hearsay/opinion from him. ;)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2005, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: mhunt on May 17, 2005, 10:11:16 AM
so today we believe sas? ;) ;D
btw, i have no doubts that the players dislike obie so i have no problem with that part.
Today SAS has actual quotes from the player. Yesterday it was hearsay/opinion from him. ;)
i've seen/heard several actual quotes from webber since the trade & not one made me believe he enjoyed his 20+ games with the sixers...especially his comments after they were eliminated. :-D
IF webber made those comments to his friend, i'm sure he didn't intend on them being made public...that's why you see the denial...it's damage control.
I don't think he made the comments -- just my opinion. Of course the AI haters want to think that he did so it can be another rip against Allen, but I just don't think he said it. And if he did say something like that, it was gained 3rd hand by that writer who has already proved that he doesn't like Webber.
The writer doesn't associate a name with the quote, he just says it is a friend of Chris'. So he passes the blame off there. That's why I rip on Eckel alot for his use of anonymous sources.
If he wasn't happy and didn't say that stuff I couldn't see him denying it so strongly. Especially since his season ending comments were so vague as to who he was blaming. If he said it then I could see a half-assed denial, but nothing as strong as the way he said it.
i don't really care about that particular article or if i'm labeled an "ai hater"....i'm going by countless interviews i've seen with webber since the trade....he wasn't happy.
comcast interviewed stackhouse after the webber story & even stack said ai was tough to play with because he dominates the ball & never met a shot he didn't like. it's not like any of this is a revelation.
I know that none of it is earth shattering news.
But how long did Stack play with him? 1 and a half years. And that was when AI was just coming into the league.
And AI has become much better since 1996-1997.
I just don't believe that NYDN piece. And I think once Webber has a chance to get as healthy as he can and once he can go through a training camp in this system, then they'll be a nice 1-2 punch.
Obie has to be the one to scheme better though. He has to run the offense through Chris more.
If they can get a true PG then it'll be easier, IMO.
I wouldn't be surprised if Webber said that about AI. I don't think it's as much a knock against Iverson as it's frustration with being in a system where he doesn't touch the ball very much. Plus, he sucked donkey when he did touch the ball.
Whether he said it or not, i don't really give a damn. I just want the Sixers to compete next year. I just don't know if it's gonna happen or not.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2005, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: mhunt on May 17, 2005, 10:11:16 AM
so today we believe sas? ;) ;D
btw, i have no doubts that the players dislike obie so i have no problem with that part.
Today SAS has actual quotes from the player. Yesterday it was hearsay/opinion from him. ;)
Where's the quotes on O'Brien? :paranoid
No word on Lofton being actived from the DL yet, but Ryan Howard is in the lineup tonight. As is future hall of famer and our savior, Endy Chavez.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 17, 2005, 05:18:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2005, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: mhunt on May 17, 2005, 10:11:16 AM
so today we believe sas? ;) ;D
btw, i have no doubts that the players dislike obie so i have no problem with that part.
Today SAS has actual quotes from the player. Yesterday it was hearsay/opinion from him. ;)
Where's the quotes on O'Brien? :paranoid
Thats SAS speculating like he did on Sunday. I was referring to his denial being in quotes. :)
Quote from: MDS on May 17, 2005, 06:03:27 PM
No word on Lofton being actived from the DL yet, but Ryan Howard is in the lineup tonight. As is future hall of famer and our savior, Endy Chavez.
Is Ryan Howard a SF?
Endy Chavez = Spud Webb?
Kenny Lofton making a comeback to basketball to relive his Arizona glory days?
Wrong thread, bro. :D
Cocaines a hell of a drug :-D
So I was reading an article on Jay Williams in ESPN Magazine. The article said that he's about ready to start his comeback.
What would you guys think about BK taking a shot on siging him? He's a pure PG. It would be a low-risk deal much like Eddie Griffin was last year.
I'd take a shot at it.
Id take a shot at him, with a sawed off.
I'm going to have to go ahead and say I'd rather experiment with an expanded role for Kevin Ollie.
billy king...........man..........myth...........legend!
http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/billy_king.htm
Sixers acquire additional 2nd round pick from Utah -- send it to Detroir (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=10317)
QuoteThe Philadelphia 76ers acquired a second-round draft pick from the Utah Jazz on Tuesday for a future second-round draft pick, then traded that pick to Detroit.
The Sixers dealt the 60th overall selection to the Pistons to complete a trade made on Dec. 18, 1997, in which they acquired Theo Ratliff and Aaron McKie for Jerry Stackhouse and Eric Montross.
Philadelphia had until June 12 to deliver a second-round pick to the Pistons or they would have surrendered their No. 45 selection.
The 76ers don't have a first round pick in this year's draft because that was traded to Denver in a three-team deal on Dec. 18, 2003, in which the 76ers acquired Kenny Thomas
Ok, so for a future 2nd round pick, we aquired a 2nd round pick that we then sent to Detroit for a trade made almost 8 years ago for a player no longer with us and another player on his last legs.
And we don't have a 1st round pick this year because we traded it away 2 years ago for a player we traded away this year.
My head hurts.
see? billy king is a genius.
They owed Detroit a pick, so instead of giving up #45 or whatever it is, they made a trade to get the final pick in the draft, giving Detroit the absolute minimum to pay off the debt... >:D
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 08, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
They owed Detroit a pick, so instead of giving up #45 or whatever it is, they made a trade to get the final pick in the draft, giving Detroit the absolute minimum to pay off the debt... >:D
I figured that much out on my own. I just didn't realize that trades remained "open" for such a long period of time.
QuoteSource: Toney set to join Sixers staff
Compiled By The Inquirer Staff
Could new coach Maurice Cheeks be reunited with Andrew Toney on the 76ers' bench?
An NBA source told The Inquirer last night that the Sixers have agreed in principle to hire the 47-year-old Toney as an assistant coach. Terms of the deal have not been worked out, the source said, but it is expected to be announced by the team within a few days.
Cheeks and Toney formed the Sixers' starting backcourt in 1983, when the team won its last NBA title.
A first-round draft pick out of Southwest Louisiana, Toney averaged 15.9 points per game as the 76ers' shooting guard in eight seasons from 1980 through '88. He was a two-time all-star.
Toney's son, Channing, who was born in Philadelphia, is a guard at the University of Georgia. He played as a freshman last season.
Cheeks and Toney discussed the opening on the Sixers' staff last week at the NBA's pre-draft camp in Chicago, an NBA source said.
Toney would join John Kuester and Bernie Smith as Cheeks' assistants.
Channel 17 (WPHL-TV) reported on the Cheeks-Toney connection last night.
:D
Nice. If all else fails, maybe they can be players/coaches? :paranoid
Probably the first time Channel 17 broke any news whatsoever.
Get Dr. J!
Nuke the NBA.
With the draft coming up next week, the Sixers started working out a few people, including Kobe's cousin... :-\
here's what a few mock drafts predict for the sixers.
Quote45. Philadelphia 76ers -- David Lee, SF/PF, Florida
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/davidlee.asp
45. *Philly Dijon Thompson 6-8 209 SG UCLA Sr.
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/dijonthompson.asp
45 Philadelphia John Gilchrist
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/2005prospect/johngilchrist.htm
I'm sure they'll all be difference-makers in the NBA.
I don't know about Gilchrist -- I think he had some problems w/ the coach in Terp land and left solely b/c of that.
What about that Marquette PG? I forget his name. I saw a mock with him coming here.
I would like to see a PG drafted. A true PG too. Not some 'tweener.
it has to be a big PG if ai is moving back to SG.
ESPN radio just had the top sports quotes of all time.
4. was TO "I Luv me sum me"
3. was some tanya harding boxing thing.
2. was Tyson talking about eating Lennox Lewis children
drum roll please....
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1. "Practice? We talkin bout Practice."
:-D
hahaha...I would think there were some better ones than than 2-4....but the practice quote is for sure the best. LOL
Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?
the Tonya Harding one was hilarious.
"I'm not gonna make a SKEPTICAL of my boxing career."
Tyson's "I'm gonna fade into 'BOLIVIAN'...." quote was great too. :D
There is less than a 1% chance of us getting him because he will be a top 5 pick but I really want Gerald Green. It's a moot point though because we won't get him.
If somehow Hakim Warrick falls or Garcia falls maybe even 10 picks away we could possibly move up to get either. I love Warrick because he's a local guy and he can block shots and move unlike Webber.
I do NOT want Matt Walsch. He'll be out of the league in a few years.
They worked out Pat Carroll (St. Joe's) yesterday and a bunch of foreign dudes. Not one PG in the group. All swingmen or forwards and a couple of C's.
But since the rosters are expanding to 14 they could possibly find a few unknown guys and stash 'em.
warrick is an nba bust waiting to happen.
here's a sixers offseason/draft preview....sure, it was filmed before they made the trade & wound up with the 45th pick....and it's mostly fluff....but watch it anyway. there's not much else going on. ;D
http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/real/nba/draft/team/team_needs_sixers.smi&include=default_include.html
and here's a decent list of free agents, if you're curious:
http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/
Realistic names I like for our budget:
Donyell Marshall
Eddie Griffin
Marko Jaric
Kareem Rush
Ronald Murray
Less realistic names I like that we could sign with some luck:
Cuttino Mobley
Jerome James
Vladimir Radmanovic
Stromile Swift
The most important thing in free agency is what position AI will play next season. Once we find out I think the first target will be what position AI doesn't play. If AI stays at the point I think the Sixers will target a bigger 2 guard. If AI goes back to the 2 guard I think Sixers target Jaric or another PG. If neither of the above works out I think we just stick with what we have and sign a backup big man, but the decent backup big men like Swift, James, Radmanovic will be pretty expensive so I think our best bet is another guard. I should say that those 3 guys could start for a lot of teams in this league, but with Sammy needing playing time and Webber making almost 20 million, they both are starters. Marshall will always be on radar because he's from this area and Billy likes him a lot, so until he isn't a Sixer he is always a possibility.
I like Jaric a little bit, but I don't think him being a pretty solid defender is going to help our defense all that much. When Webber and Marc Jackson are as slow as they are, I would like to see the Sixers try to convince Mobley to come back home to play for slightly less money. I think he'd get a little bit over the MLE. We didn't play defense all season, but when we did have success it was when Korver and Iguodala's jump shots were falling. Cuttino is a good scorer that could help on a consistent basis and allow Korver to come off the bench. Cuttino is more of a long shot, but the bright side is that he was from Philly and he did say before he'd love to come home. Other defensive minded players won't turn the Sixers to the Spurs defensively overnight. So we aren't talking title contender. I just want to be competitive again. If Larry Brown leaves Detroit is going to be an easier opponent, and if Shaq is lingering with injuries we can slide in there and surprise some people.
eddie griffin might be a good fit.....jaric is one name that interests me as well....a bigger, combo guard fits well with ai's game. cleveland is looking to move welsch too....he's kinda similar to jaric, maybe a bit more athletic, so i wouldn't mind him either.
and for some reason i think salmons will be traded...possibly to move up in the draft.
I hope Johnny Salmons is dealt -- but who would want him? Maybe the Raptors? They have two #1's...
I also an intrigued by Marko Jaric...he could be a good fit.
I wonder how much the salary cap increase will help the team? Any?
billy king was on comcast & said the salary cap increase won't help the Sixers at all...they're still over. he said it will only help 3-5 teams but didn't name them.
i'm not sure who would want salmons...this offseason is a tough one. they have tons of bodies in the backcourt but could use an upgrade in the starting lineup....on the other hand, their frontcourt starters are set but they have no depth behind them. it won't be easy for them to find a new starter at sg/sf AND a backup pf/c with no cap room & no 1st round pick. :-\
i just read that orlando is really cap strapped so they're considering cutting doug christie....i'm not sure if he'd take the MLE but he's a big sg who can play some pg & he's an excellent defender. plus, it would be fun to see how the philly media covers his wacky wife.
just throwing his name out there.
oh, and the christie rumor stems from some new, one-time luxury tax relief guideline....i'm not exactly sure how it works but i wonder if the sixers would consider cutting someone too...
QuoteUnder the new collective bargaining agreement between the NBA and the players, teams are allowed to place one player on waivers in order to gain relief from the luxury tax. However, the salaries would still count against the salary cap and the players would still get paid. Players like Dallas' Michael Finley and New York's Allan Houston might be among the first to get jettisoned.
...i hate to say it but maybe mckie. ???
I think think they'll cut Mckie until they figure out where AI's playing and see who they land in free agency. Mckie is spent, but he brings reliability. Something the team doesn't have much of.
Jaric intrigues a lot of people but that move has potential problems written all over it. He can stay in front of players pretty well, and shoot pretty well, but he doesn't do anything all that great. A little bit of this and a little bit of that. Maybe that is all we can hope for in a player with our cap situation though. Just hope someone like Mobley will take less money to play here, but it's a long shot. Ronald Murray in 03 was one of the best bench players in the league for a while. In 04 he is hurt and doesn't do anything at all. That is a name I would really take a look at. If he is healthy I'm curious to see how he'd play starting at the 2. If AI moves back there then it is moot anyway.
1. Doug Christie would be a decent choice. He's a good defender. And yeah, his wife is nutzo and has Doug completely whipped. :-D
2. I doubt McKie goes anywhere. Mo is talking about Aaron being a big part of his plan.
I remember O'brien:
"I am very much looking forward to coaching Allen and Eric. Both are going to fit the system very well."
Next week Snow traded.
Quote from: TO is GOD on June 27, 2005, 01:01:25 AM
I remember O'brien:
"I am very much looking forward to coaching Allen and Eric. Both are going to fit the system very well."
Next week Snow traded.
Comparing Obie to Mo is preposterous.
Yes, but assuming anything any coach says publicly is necessarily true is even more preposterous.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2005, 10:34:48 PM
2. I doubt McKie goes anywhere. Mo is talking about Aaron being a big part of his plan.
oh my god. :-\
I puke on this picture:
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 27, 2005, 02:29:53 PM
I puke on this picture:
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yeah, i saw that. As if the Sixers would have even considered taking him #1.
For those that haven't caught it yet, there's a show on SpikeTV right now that followed several NBA rookies this year, including Iguodala...
Edit: coming up next after the commercial break :yay
Draft tomorrow. Is anyone watching? Does anyone care who we take? I don't have the energy to read up on every single no name player, so chances are we'll take a guy I never heard of, but I will make sure to read up on whoever we take. Since we don't have a first round pick I just hope a lot of trades go down tomorrow with other teams to make up for the lack of excitement for Sixers fans. Maybe we can hope for Salim Stoudamire. Jawad Williams is possible.
A backup center or 3rd PF would be nice... :-\
Iguodala is on now... :yay
It's the game where the Bulls kicked our ass... :P
On the bottom line on ESPN NBA draft preview they kept showing the Sixers were 26-28 without webber and 17-11 with him. For those that didn't know or care.
i'll be watching the draft....i'm hoping they'll do something to move up.
backup c & pf is definitely a need....but i think they need a new starting sf/sg to replace korver if they really want to improve this season...hopefully they'll get lucky in free agency.
btw, i can almost guarantee that king gives dalembert a 6 year deal. book it.
Some geeky lookin dude was on DNL yesterday and he had a few names that the Sixers could be looking at...
I don't remember them all, but I remember a dude from UCLA , a dude from LSU, Dwayne Jones from St. Joe's, Jason Maxiell from Cincy and some others.
Has anyone heard that Jamal Mashburn is going to try to make a comeback with us? I heard it on the radio the other day.
Even if he couldn't be the 40 min a game guy anymore -- he'd be good for 20. I'd like to see him try it.
i saw that guy on dnl too, phreak...jones is the only name i remember. :paranoid
they won't get anything at #45...i'm more interested to see what they do in free agency. and i haven't heard anything about mashburn playing. if he does, great! :yay if his attempt to come back instead of retiring hurts the team's cap situation, :boo
Mashburn trying to come back is good news. When healthy he is an absolute stud.
Yeah, I'm not too optimistic about getting any help at 45, but they did get Green at 41 (through SEA) and Korver at 51 (through NJ). And I think MacCulloch was drafted at 47 a few years ago. So we could get something, but I'm not holding my breath.
Maybe we'll see a trade or something tonight?
As for Mash -- I've been looking all over for news about him trying to come back but haven't found shtein. So I'm about ready to chalk it up as a far fetched rumor. But I would like to see him try it. If he can't do it -- fine. But if he can then I think he'd be a good addition.
14 picks away
I'm sick gerald green went to boston
He'll suck though.
We picked Louis Williams (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/draft/d05/tracker/player?playerId=18734) some 6'1 highschooler from somewhere.
Committed to Georgia and was the High School Player of the Year. Compared to AI but doesn't have the shooting or the point guard skills. Look for him in the NBDL...
Meanwhile, the following players went undrafted:
Randolph Morris (Kentucky C)
Dwayne Jones (St. Josephs PF/C)
Shavlik Randolph (Duke PF)
Kennedy Winston (Alabama SF/SG)
Matt Walsh (Florida SF)
Jawad Williams (UNC SF)
Kelenna Azubuike (Kentucky SG)
B.J. Elder (Georgia Tech SG)
John Gilchrist (Maryland PG)
Chris Thomas (Notre Dame PG)
Anthony Roberson (Florida PG)
GET AZUBUIKE
yay...an undersized high school kid....championship-here we come. :paranoid
maybe they'll invite dwayne jones to camp.
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 29, 2005, 12:00:57 AM
Compared to AI but doesn't have the shooting or the point guard skills.
So he can't even shoot 30% from the floor? :sly
from what i've read this morning, the kid is 6'1, doesn't have PG handle or skills & isn't a good outside shooter. this pick makes no sense. :boo
I was very surprised to see the Sixers pick a highschooler. They haven't picked one during King's tenure (to my knowledge) and I don't even think the Sixers as an organization have drafted one since Darryl Dawkins.
Even if this kid had quality skills, I'd still be a bit disappointed given some of the players that were picked up later in the draft.
At one point last year, he was considered a top 10 pick....then the NBA noticed that he wasn't that great. Hey, he was still in all the high school All-Star games, so it's not like we drafted a European stiff like Rentzias... :P
Sarge - yeah, this is the first (and last) high schooler since Chocolate Thunder...
SLAM article (http://www.slamonline.com/magazine/punks/LWilliams84/)
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For those wondering about the NBDL (which is where Williams will go), under the new CBA:
QuotePerhaps the most significant development in the new CBA will be the creation of a true NBA minor league via the NBDL. Both sides were interested in making this happen and it was never a serious impediment to the bargaining process.
The league wanted the minor league because it wanted to give teams an outlet to develop younger players. It should be especially beneficial to veteran teams with young players, like Darko Milicic, who can't crack the rotation.
The players wanted it because it would create more jobs. If a team sends a young player down to the NBDL, he wouldn't count on their active roster. That job would, in turn, go to a veteran.
The NBDL recently expanded to eight teams. Stern said his goal will be to add another seven teams by the start of the 2006-07 season. However, deputy commisoner Russ Granik told Insider that teams will be allowed to begin sending players to the D league this season.
Here are the key terms of the agreement on the NBDL:
• Each NBA team will be allowed to send players to a designated NBDL team, along with an assistant coach to monitor the players' development.
• The league will eventually expand to 15 teams, and two NBA teams will share each NBDL team.
• Players can be sent down to the NBDL for only the first two years of their career. Veterans cannot be assigned to an NBDL team.
• First-round picks will continue to be paid at the rookie wage scale. This was a key concession to the players, who didn't want owners to use the league as a way of cutting player salaries.
• Teams will retain the rights to all of their players and can recall them at any time.
• The NBDL will lower its age limit from 20 years to 18 years. That means that high school players who are ineligible for the draft will be able to play in the NBDL for a year before entering the draft. That dramatic change gives high school players another avenue into professional basketball (and an income source) should they choose to skip college.
A minor league will alter the draft strategy of teams, encouraging them to draft younger players with big upsides because of the ability to develop players down the road. This could have a big impact in this year's draft. Big-upside players like Martynas Andriuskevicius, Andrew Bynum, Yaroslav Korolev and Ersan Ilyasova suddenly look much more interesting to teams than they did 24 hours ago.
Now that teams have the option of drafting players and developing them in the minor leagues, look for more teams to reach, starting in this year's draft.
Here's the NBDL teams:
Albuquerque (formerly the Huntsville Flight)
Arkansas RimRockers
Austin (formerly the Columbus Riverdragons)
Fayetteville Patriots
Florida Flame
Fort Worth (expansion team)
Roanoke Dazzle
Tulsa (formerly the Asheville Altitude)
Some "notable" ??? players on last year's rosters:
Cedric Henderson :-D
Matt Carroll
Ousmane Cisse
Joe Forte
Smush Parker
Darius Rice (Jerry's nephew)
if an 18 year old wants to play in the nbdl, i wonder how they'll decide which team he plays for???
I believe they have a draft...
So you mean that any ol' 18-year old can't just decide he wants to play in the developmental league and pick his team? Weird.
MSNBC grades (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8396294/page/3/)
QuoteF
Philadelphia
Louis Williams isn't going to help the Sixers. He doesn't shoot well outside and he's 6-2. Who told this high school kid to stay in the draft?
::)
I could see that pick if the Sixers had a first round pick. They needed something that would help their team now, not possibly help three years from now.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on June 29, 2005, 01:29:34 PM
I could see that pick if the Sixers had a first round pick. They needed something that would help their team now, not possibly help three years from now.
What are you talking about? The Sixers are totally set for this coming year! They're on the cusp of a championship! The cusp, I say!
I must say that the pick did nothing for me at all. I was hoping for that Andris-whatever guy who went right before them at 44. At least he has size and the pundits were saying he should've gone in the 1st round when SEA picked Petro.
However, everyone is blasting the pick and BK was on DNL (plus DiLeo's comments last night) and they're adamant that he is going to develop into something.
So I'm going to give it time to see if he does develop. He's still way young and impressionable and perhaps they can teach him well.
Since Larry left BK and his guys have done a good job at talent scouting, IMO. So I'll give lil' AI a shot.
LOL. Double puke from hunt. Nicely played.
:-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 29, 2005, 07:05:10 PM
I must say that the pick did nothing for me at all. I was hoping for that Andris-whatever guy who went right before them at 44. At least he has size and the pundits were saying he should've gone in the 1st round when SEA picked Petro.
However, everyone is blasting the pick and BK was on DNL (plus DiLeo's comments last night) and they're adamant that he is going to develop into something.
So I'm going to give it time to see if he does develop. He's still way young and impressionable and perhaps they can teach him well.
Since Larry left BK and his guys have done a good job at talent scouting, IMO. So I'll give lil' AI a shot.
Eventhough this pick is in the second round it reminds of when they took Dalembert everybody blasted them. I will never forget Dick Jerardi saying this kid would be terrible, turns out he was way off. I hope everybody is with this kid too.
I am with you though this pick does nothing for me.
These guys still suck.
Sad but true
THE LAKERS SUCK!
While i can't necessarily say i'm stoked or unhappy with the pick, I'd rather they take a shot on a kid that COULD develop after a couple of years than draft a guy with no shot to ever make the team like Sam Clancy.
Did anyone else catch CSN's segment with Matt Walsh and Dwayne Jones as they followed the players from 7pm through the night? Walsh was turning white with every passing hour... :P
i saw it & it was hilarious. :-D
walsh was talking trash & dissing guys who got drafted.
Matt Walsh didn't get drafted for a reason, and when I heard people on WIP say that we have no chance at Matt Walsh in the second round, I couldn't believe what I heard. I never thought he'd be drafted, he is not very good, and he will have a terrible transition into the NBA if he ever makes a team.
1. Jones decided to go back to St. Joe's since he didn't sign with an agent. Good for him.
2. Walsh was funny. I liked how Jay Bilas ripped him for being an idiot and then big badass Walsh had nothing to say afterwards. He did sign with an agent and cannot go back to school.
3. Damon Jones opted out of his contract in Miami. It was for $2.75M and its obvious that he wants a long term deal. But it sure would be nice to see him come here even though the Sixers cannot afford him. He'd be a good PG with Ai at the 2, IMO.
QuoteSixers set on keeping young players
By Joe Juliano
Inquirer Staff Writer
This would usually be the day that Billy King, the 76ers' president and general manager, sets out to go after one or two free agents he thinks can help his team.
But there is a twist this year. With today being the first day he is permitted to contact free agents, King finds that the ones he wants the most for next season are right in his locker room.
So King will devote all his energy in the days ahead to signing restricted free agents Samuel Dalembert, Kyle Korver and Willie Green, important parts of the team's young nucleus.
King tendered qualifying offers to all three Tuesday, hours before the NBA draft, giving the Sixers the right to match any offers made by other teams.
"We're going to do what it will take" to sign all three, he said before the draft. "We've said we want all three back. Unless things get crazy, our goal is to have all three of them back in uniform."
King said his first priority is to re-sign the 6-foot-11 Dalembert, a shot-blocking specialist who is one of the bright lights of this year's free-agent class.
No fewer than six other teams are believed to be interested in getting Dalembert. That could drive his price up into the $5 million-a-year range if not higher. He was paid about $1.6 million last season - his fourth in the NBA - and averaged 8.2 points, 7.5 rebounds and 1.68 blocked shots.
Korver, a 6-7 three-point specialist who started 57 games last season, and Green, a 6-2 combination guard who spent much of last season tied to the bench by then-coach Jim O'Brien, also are expected to draw some interest. Each could easily double or triple the $620,046 he made last season.
"I think we have a pretty good idea of what it will take," King said, "but we have the right to match."
As for pursuing other free agents, the Sixers are hampered because they are over the salary cap. Should they want to sign an unrestricted free agent, they will have no more than the mid-level exception - about $5 million a year - to offer.
Even though there can be negotiations between teams and players starting today, no free agents can be signed until July 22.
The Sixers announced yesterday that King and forward Michael Bradley had agreed to extend from today until July 22 the deadline for Bradley to exercise the player option on his contract. If he exercises the option, the former Villanova star will make $819,550 next season.
Reserve forwards Matt Barnes and Josh Davis are unrestricted free agents because the Sixers did not tender offers to them.
bk will definitely match any offers made to sammy...i just hope nobody (hawks) makes him a ridiculous offer since the sixers will be stuck with it after king matches. :paranoid
i really, really, really, really hope they can pull of a miracle & find a starting SF in free agency so korver can come off the bench. a bench of green, korver, jackson, etc. wouldn't be too bad....still need another backup pf/c though.
Jalen Rose and Michael Finley are expected to be released with the new luxury tax exception... :paranoid
just say no to Jalen Rose
reunite the fab 5 :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay
I'd take Finley. If he'd sign here which he probably wouldn't want to.
Man, I can't express how frustrated I was with this pick. I had 9 guys I wanted, who would've filled positions of need including two HS big men with mega potential (Amir Johnson, Andray Blatche) but instead the Sixers go after another smallish two guard. What's funny is with the rest of the league moving on and drafting more pure point guards, we're still stuck with go after combo guards to run the point.
When Billy King eventually fires Mo Cheeks, he'll have as much heat on him as Ed Wade has right now.
Mo won't be fired for at least 3 years, because if he fires Mo Billy is gone himself. That would be 4 coaches he went through.
Billy has been good at drafting. Iguodala, Green, and Korver. Once he took over as full GM he's been very good. I think he's earned some trust until he messes up. The bad picks were all Larry's idea.
Quote from: MadVillain on July 01, 2005, 08:48:56 PM
When Billy King eventually fires Mo Cheeks, he'll have as much heat on him as Ed Wade has right now.
And what exactly were you saying about King's draft last year?
Quote from: MadVillain on July 01, 2005, 08:48:56 PM
Man, I can't express how frustrated I was with this pick. I had 9 guys I wanted, who would've filled positions of need including two HS big men with mega potential (Amir Johnson, Andray Blatche) but instead the Sixers go after another smallish two guard. What's funny is with the rest of the league moving on and drafting more pure point guards, we're still stuck with go after combo guards to run the point.
When Billy King eventually fires Mo Cheeks, he'll have as much heat on him as Ed Wade has right now.
Amir Johnson, I remember him from the McDonalds High School dunk contest. He can throw down.
Quote from: TO is GOD on July 01, 2005, 09:37:17 PM
Mo won't be fired for at least 3 years, because if he fires Mo Billy is gone himself. That would be 4 coaches he went through.
Billy has been good at drafting. Iguodala, Green, and Korver. Once he took over as full GM he's been very good. I think he's earned some trust until he messes up. The bad picks were all Larry's idea.
iguodala was a lottery pick...he's supposed to be good.
green barely got off the bench last season.
and korver does one thing well.
let's not put king in the draft hall of fame yet...it's too convenient to say all the bad picks were larry's & all the good picks were king's.
hunt, Obie never utilized his players correctly and you know it. So your post was a reach. A good coach would have had Green in there knowing what he brings and would have never been starting Korver.
If you can't admit that those 2 picks were tremendous for where they were picked, you're crazy.
"tremendous"?...now that's a reach.
they were "good" picks. green has averaged 14-18 minutes per game & puts up around 7-8 ppg. decent for where he was picked but far from tremendous.
korver had a decent season last year but he's a 3 point specialist/role player who should be coming off the bench...again, finding a 3 point specialist/bench player with a 2nd round pick is good...not tremendous, imo.
The team needed a good 3-point threat. They got the best coming out of the draft...in the second round. He was tremendous in that role...had Obie used him correctly, you'd be saying the same thing. That he comes off the bench, rips the big shots when we needs them and gets the job DONE. Can give the extended minutes if needed as well. How many of LB's second rounders could you have said that about?
Willie Green WILL be tremendous when he gets consistent playing time. Throwing his numbers up there now is unfair. Why? Because he would sit for a week straight and then get thrown in a game when we were already up by 20.....or thrown in a game when someone gets hurt, etc. He didn't play consistently and was unable to get a good rhythm every time he was in there. And he STILL played so well. Which leads me to believe he'll be tremendous when he actually plays where he should be playing.
Now...here are LB's 2nd round picks:
2002
1 Jiri Welsch
2 Sam Clancy
2001
1 Samuel Dalembert
2 Damone Brown
2 Alvin Jones
2000
1 Speedy Claxton
2 Mark Karcher
1999
2 Todd MacCulloch
1998
1 Larry Hughes
2 Casey Shaw
1997
1 Keith Van Horn
2 Marko Milic
2 Kebu Stewart
2 James Collins
Let's also not lose sight of the fact that we were hurting in this and last year's drafts because of moves LB made. Yes, they had King's okay....but LB supposedly knew all, right?
lb's 2nd round picks have been awful (except for big mac)...never even got on the court.
king's have been good...2 have developed into nice role players.
that's as far as i'll go right now....if green & korver develop, then i'll give king more credit. it's a little too early to say that bk is a draft guru. that's all i'm saying.
anyway, on a different topic...it looks like the free agency will be slow moving this year since teams don't even know all the rules from the new cba yet. teams will probably wait until late july, after all the rules are clarified & the luxury tax relief cuts are made.
guys like finley, rose, houston, etc could change the scope of the offseason free agent market. let's hope the sixers get lucky & grab somebody decent.
Quote from: mhunt on July 02, 2005, 08:00:20 AM
Quote from: TO is GOD on July 01, 2005, 09:37:17 PM
Mo won't be fired for at least 3 years, because if he fires Mo Billy is gone himself. That would be 4 coaches he went through.
Billy has been good at drafting. Iguodala, Green, and Korver. Once he took over as full GM he's been very good. I think he's earned some trust until he messes up. The bad picks were all Larry's idea.
iguodala was a lottery pick...he's supposed to be good.
green barely got off the bench last season.
and korver does one thing well.
let's not put king in the draft hall of fame yet...it's too convenient to say all the bad picks were larry's & all the good picks were king's.
I didn't put him in the draft hall of fame, but considering how few players in the 2nd round actually contribute, and are good for NBA teams, the Sixers scored 2/2 so far. Iguodala was a lottery pick yes, but for #9 he was great value. If they redid the draft Iguodala would go around #5 this time through. I'd say he's done a very good job. At least compared to Larry Brown. It's not hard to ruin lotto picks. Sixers have done it countless times and many other teams as well.
Marko Milic!! :-D
That's the dude who could jump over a car and dunk.
Maybe he's why Larry won't play Darko Milicic -- it sounds like Marko Milic. :P
Also -- I read in the Inky today that Sammy D's agent fielded calls from "6 or 7" teams after midnight last night. And he said that him and the Sixers are a ways off from a long term deal.
utah has already contacted willie green.
http://sltrib.com/sports/ci_2836615
do they know he's not white? :paranoid ;)
Sign-and-trade? hmmm....I'll take AK47, thanks.... ;D
Utad doesn't have anyone I'd want that we could actually get. I'd take Snyder maybe.
Get Matt Harpring back! :-D
snyder is the only one i'd be interested in as well...but i think he's a longshot.
CSN sez:
-- the Timberwolves, Hawks and Cavaliers also have interest in Willie
Jasner sez:
-- King has contacted the agents of :fire :fire :fire Antoine Walker, Donyell Marshall, Stromile Swift and Christian Laettner... :P
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 05, 2005, 10:58:06 PM
CSN sez:
-- the Timberwolves, Hawks and Cavaliers also have interest in Willie
Jasner sez:
-- King has contacted the agents of :fire :fire :fire Antoine Walker, Donyell Marshall, Stromile Swift and Christian Laettner... :P
I'm semi-interested in Marshall and Swift. The other two can go to hell as far as i'm concerned.
Action News had video clips of Dalembert teaching a basketball camp and reading to kids in Argentina... 8)
That's very good news. The sooner we get a defensive big man in here to back up Sammy, the sooner Marc choke in the playoffs, can't jump, can't run, screams after every rebound, can't defend Jackson gets less minutes. Stromile also would be perfect for coming in and playing big minutes when Sammy gets in foul trouble.
Walker.... very strange. Unless Billy has him playing the 3 which would make the team worse defensively next year than this year I wouldn't understand the signing. Unless Webber gets traded. After watching this team last year and how slow Webber was I'd rather have Walker. I still have a feeling that Webber's knee is going to get healthier and he'll have a good year.
Marshall... shouldn't surprise anyone. Billy loves him, he torched the Sixers plenty of times during the season.
Laettner... I'll pass plain and simple.
This love affair with Walker has to end. Marshall I would like, but I doubt he'd come here and accept a reserve role.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 05, 2005, 10:58:06 PM
Jasner sez:
-- King has contacted the agents of :fire :fire :fire Antoine Walker, Donyell Marshall, Stromile Swift and Christian Laettner... :P
Waker - No!
Marshall - Yes
Swift - Yes
Laettner - Hell farg no!
i'd take any of them.
i hate walker & i doubt he'd accept the MLE...but he's a good player & would definitely help...not sure how it would work with him & webber on the court together though. ???
marshall would be good for around 20 minutes/game...i'd rather somebody younger who can play starter minutes at SF but he's better than nothing.
swift would be my preference out of these 4 guys...young guy who would be perfect coming off the bench.
i'd even take laettner in the josh davis role off the bench if he comes really, really cheap.
i hear pierce is up for a trade?
finley will be cut.
swift would be awesome!
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 06, 2005, 12:15:45 PM
i hear pierce is up for a trade?
finley will be cut.
swift would be awesome!
I wouldn't give a squirt of piss for Pierce. Finley, would be a welcome addition but i'm sure he'll sign elsewhere.
looks like another early exit from the playoffs next year.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on July 06, 2005, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on July 06, 2005, 12:15:45 PM
i hear pierce is up for a trade?
finley will be cut.
swift would be awesome!
I wouldn't give a squirt of piss for Pierce. Finley, would be a welcome addition but i'm sure he'll sign elsewhere.
I would love to see Finley in Philly this year but I'm not getting my hopes up about that one. :-\
Quote from: MURP on July 06, 2005, 01:03:42 PM
looks like another early exit from the playoffs next year.
it will be iverson's fault.
Other than Detroit and Miami and Indiana, Sixers are the best team in the east. I think Indiana is going to be better than Detroit next season. If Larry leaves.
Quote from: TO is GOD on July 06, 2005, 03:52:01 PM
Other than Detroit and Miami and Indiana, Sixers are the best team in the east.
I was just thinking the same thing about the Phillies. They're the best team in the East except for Washington, Atlanta, Florida and NY.
3rd seed beats no seed. ;D
Billy King denied the rumors today
Louis Williams is in town and will be formally introduced tomorrow
Quote from: ESPN InsiderSo long, Steph?
<Jul. 6> Nobody's safe with Isiah Thomas running the Knicks. According to the New York Times, two sources said the Knicks are open to moving Stephon Marbury, who was once considered an untouchable.
ESPN Insider Chad Ford has also heard a few rumors involving the Knicks guard. One is a sign-and-trade that would send him to the Sixers for center Samuel Dalembert. The other is a deal with the Hawks for forward Al Harrington.
Billy King would get shot for trading a big man with potential for an overpaid overhyped point guard that automatically makes every team BAD.
Billy isn't a moron no way he'd make that deal. It doesn't make sense from a lineup perspective either.
The ONLY ONLY way I could see Billy doing that is if we signed Swift as our starting center. Still wouldn't make sense.
Quote from: TO is GOD on July 06, 2005, 07:50:49 PM
Billy isn't a moron no way he'd make that deal. It doesn't make sense from a lineup perspective either.
The ONLY ONLY way I could see Billy doing that is if we signed Swift as our starting center. Still wouldn't make sense.
I don't think Swift could play center at all. He's just an undersized (6'9") athletic PF.
If you are active, athletic, strong with long arms like he is you can play center. Ratliff played it fine and he's 6'9/6'10. Stromile's size is more of a 4 but Webber is our 4 so he'd have to start. Stromile doesn't really have enough offense to play the 4 though so I think center would be perfect for him.
Billy denied the rumor anyway though. It doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: New York Daily News"ESPN.com quoted unnamed sources saying that the Knicks spoke to Philadelphia about a deal that would have the Knicks sending Marbury and Tim Thomas to the Sixers for Dalembert, Jamal Mashburn, Aaron McKie and Kevin Ollie."
that's the worst trade proposal ever!
lmfao
Billy King can't stay away from those Blue Devils (http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/2572493p-9006930c.html) :boom
Sure, let's trade away an actual center and just take on more outrageous contracts from the likes of Marbury and Thomas. Awful.
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 07, 2005, 11:56:09 AM
Billy King can't stay away from those Blue Devils (http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/2572493p-9006930c.html) :boom
that guy was highly sought after by colleges, but sucked donkey once he got there.
gee...what an exciting offseason so far. :-\ i'm only posting so this thread doesn't fall of the face of the earth as billy king does nothing but re-sign our 3 mediocre free agents.
I don't have a problem with them bringing in Randolph for a tryout I think he could develop into a solid bench player. He was hurt a lot while at Duke and really didn't fit into Coach K's system.
the new york post (yeah, i know) is reporting that sammy & the sixers have reached a verbal agreement for a $70-75 mill deal...most likely 6 years.
god help us.
Quote from: mhunt on July 12, 2005, 05:58:05 PM
the new york post (yeah, i know) is reporting that sammy & the sixers have reached a verbal agreement for a $70-75 mill deal...most likely 6 years.
god help us.
Is Ed Wade moonlighting across the street now?
:-D
PS: I realize I don't have room to talk. Not with the Magic's putrid free agent acquisition history, but still, $70-75M for Sammy??
Good God. :-D :-D
If it's true I don't really like it but Sammy is better than no Sammy, and it's not like we can go out there and get someone to replace him. We don't have the cap room for that.
Quote from: TO is GOD on July 12, 2005, 07:33:47 PM
If it's true I don't really like it but Sammy is better than no Sammy, and it's not like we can go out there and get someone to replace him. We don't have the cap room for that.
That kind of money is ridiculous for Sammy. It's indefensible under any conceivable circumstance.
I think Sammy's a very good player but you don't offer max contracts to very good players. If you do, you end up being mediocre for a very, very long time.
Ilgauskas just got $12M a year and he's missed 3 years with broken feet. Unfortunately that's probably the going rate for a center... :-\
Quote from: jerome99RIP on July 12, 2005, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on July 12, 2005, 07:33:47 PM
If it's true I don't really like it but Sammy is better than no Sammy, and it's not like we can go out there and get someone to replace him. We don't have the cap room for that.
That kind of money is ridiculous for Sammy. It's indefensible under any conceivable circumstance.
I think Sammy's a very good player but you don't offer max contracts to very good players. If you do, you end up being mediocre for a very, very long time.
It's overpaid but it's not indefensible. You don't know the market out there for him yet.
Quote from: mhunt on July 12, 2005, 05:58:05 PM
the new york post (yeah, i know) is reporting that sammy & the sixers have reached a verbal agreement for a $70-75 mill deal...most likely 6 years.
Vecsey's article didn't mention Dalembert at all.... ???
here's the quote:
QuoteBuzz in Vegas among GMs was that one of the top free-agent centers, Samuel Dalembert, verbally agreed on a $70M to $75M deal to stick with Philly.
i'm not sure who wrote it but i've seen it posted in 2 different sixers forums & both say it's from the post.
hey, I like watching Samuel play bball, but 12 million a year... lol. he better step it the hell up big time.
That contract is ridiculous but would probably be the going rate if he hit the market. He's young, atlhetic, versatile, and still has a tremendous upside. One things for sure, he won't be bitching about 'playing time' with that deal.
Man, thats a lot of money. But SD is right -- that is what he'd get on the market. NBA GMs throw around max deals like candy. And Billy King will have to pay that to keep him.
-- Jim Lynam is back.....again. :P Can't wait for more of those awkward interviews with Dei!
-- Radio broadcasts are moving to WPEN-950 :boom ...BUT....WPEN is upgrading from 5,000 watts to 20,000 watts to avoid the issues they had with Phils broadcasts...
I can't believe there isn't at least one report of us bringing in a player. Billy get your ass moving what are you doing?
QuotePhilly GM says Dalembert will remain a Sixer
By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
It looks like negotiations between the Philadelphia 76ers and restricted free agent Samuel Dalembert took a turn for the worse on Monday.
The two sides have been negotiating for three weeks but have been unable to come to terms on a new contract. Over the course of the last week, there has been a great level of frustration on both sides.
On Monday, Dalembert's agent, Marc Cornstein, said Dalembert had scheduled a visit in Atlanta with the Hawks on Monday, July 25.
In an e-mail to Insider, Sixers general manager Billy King said the Sixers are still determined to match any offer for Dalembert.
"Sam will be in Philly whether it is at our number or a number that someone else sets," King wrote. "HE WILL BE IN PHILADELPHIA ONE WAY OR ANOTHER."
When asked about King's stance, Cornstein acted surprised.
"We're getting mixed messages," Cornstein said. "They've drawn a line in the sand with Sammy's contract with what they're willing to pay. Yet he's telling you they'll match any offer. There is a huge gap between Philadelphia's offer and what other teams under the salary cap can offer."
The Hawks are roughly $23 million under the cap -- enough money to make a run at two top-tier free agents. The Hawks are believed to have earmarked roughly half that amount for free agent Joe Johnson. They want to add a center with the rest of it. Restricted free agent Eddy Curry visited the Hawks last week, but left Atlanta without a contract offer.
If the Hawks do sign Dalembert to an offer sheet (when the player signing moratorium ends), the Sixers would have seven days to match the offer.
Of the three top free agent big men on the market -- Curry and Tyson Chandler are the other two -- Dalembert has the most upside. He has great range and is athletic, with great shot blocking instincts. He's shown he can be a volume rebounder and his offensive game is emerging. He was very inconsistent at times this season, but in the playoffs against the Pistons, he played the part of a franchise center, averaging 12.8 rebounds per game in the playoffs against the Pistons' tough front line.
The Sixers made a power move this offseason, firing head coach Jim O'Brien, who wasn't a Dalembert fan, and replacing him with Mo Cheeks, who is. Philly let it be known that O'Brien was fired, in part, because the Sixers are committed to Dalembert. That's been enough to discourage other teams from pursuing Dalembert.
However, Philly apparently has drawn a line in the sand millions away from a max-type offer Dalembert is seeking. Dalembert, who's had a rocky four years, with four different coaches in just the last two years, hasn't been impressed.
Chris Crawford is coming to town for a visit...
Crawford's Bio (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3218)
Exciting, isn't it? :boo
Nets are about to get Abdur-Rahim....Billy The King brings in Chris Crawford.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 19, 2005, 04:23:59 PM
Chris Crawford is coming to town for a visit...
Crawford's Bio (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3218)
Exciting, isn't it? :boo
Nets are about to get Abdur-Rahim....Billy The King brings in Chris Crawford.
Crawford's just fodder. Abdur-Rahim is a skilled player, but isn't all that good. He puts up good numbers, but it's not like he's gonna put the Nets over the top.
Marshall is probably gone, as well as Swift(who is getting basically the mid level) and SAR is getting basically the mid level too. What is Billy doing exactly? He's never been one to be lazy so I'm guessing these players just chose not to sign with the Sixers. Either that or Billy is working a trade to get what he wants or he just doesn't want a big man. My guess is the latter. I think Cheeks really wants AI back at the 2 and Billy will court Jaric very strongly.
On the bright side Marshall if the NYpost reports are true would've only been a bench player here and Jaric would be a starter. At the same time though, Jaric is just a serviceable player. He'll give 10 points and 6 assists a night but won't wow you in doing so. The Heat also want Jaric and I guess he'd choose them over the Sixers.
Done deal: Marshall signed with Cleveland for 4 years :boom
CSN hinting that Green and Korver are both signed.
"2 out of 3 so far"
There's an article on espn.com that the Sixers re-signed them. I don't see how Green fits here. I hope Billy shops him. He's good for the future but not this year, and once Billy traded for Webber, building for the future went out the door with Kenny, Skinner and Williamson.
Korver and Willie both have deals...Korver's is for 6 years (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2111850)
Willie's is 6 years 20 million from what I've read. Not sure if it's confirmed yet.
Korver 6/25 Green 6/20
I like both deals a lot.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 19, 2005, 10:48:24 PM
Korver and Willie both have deals...Korver's is for 6 years (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2111850)
WOO-HOO!
board burp
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 20, 2005, 07:23:08 AM
QuoteBurrell, a lumbering baserunner, could have settled for a double. Maybe before closer Billy Wagner recently started barking about the team's often complacent play, he would have.
He didn't last night.
"That's what I'm talking about," said Wagner, who might have lost the game if not for the big hits. "Pat stretching that into a triple - that was huge. The home run was a plus."
QuoteIt was Wagner's opinion 3 weeks ago that, given their energy level at the time, the Phillies couldn't make the playoffs. And now?
"We've played scrappy. We've played with a lot of urgency," Wagner said. "This team's got a lot of character."
Poor Wags last night...I didn't realize how many pitches he threw. And it was BRUTAL outside yesterday. Maybe the worst suffocating humidity I've felt in years.
Hmmm.....good sixers info there
Quote from: mikey418 on July 20, 2005, 07:59:14 AM
Hmmm.....good sixers info there
Didn't you hear? Billy King wound up exectuing a sign and trade, bringing Burrell and Wagner to the Sixers. The Phillies acquire John Salmons and Aaron McKie.
Quote from: mikey418 on July 20, 2005, 07:59:14 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on July 20, 2005, 07:23:08 AM
QuoteBurrell, a lumbering baserunner, could have settled for a double. Maybe before closer Billy Wagner recently started barking about the team's often complacent play, he would have.
He didn't last night.
"That's what I'm talking about," said Wagner, who might have lost the game if not for the big hits. "Pat stretching that into a triple - that was huge. The home run was a plus."
QuoteIt was Wagner's opinion 3 weeks ago that, given their energy level at the time, the Phillies couldn't make the playoffs. And now?
"We've played scrappy. We've played with a lot of urgency," Wagner said. "This team's got a lot of character."
Poor Wags last night...I didn't realize how many pitches he threw. And it was BRUTAL outside yesterday. Maybe the worst suffocating humidity I've felt in years.
Hmmm.....good sixers info there
hmmmm, yeah. As if I quoted a Phillies thread and put it in the Sixers thread. ::) The board burps like that from time to time.
I know...just fun to pick on you for something other than your enormous height ;)
billy king's idea of a successful offseason is re-signing the guys who helped make the team mediocre & doing little else. :boo
anyway, i don't mind the korver/green deals although i would have prefered shorter deals...the $$$ part seems okay.
Sammy D is back.....6-year deal (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/nba/07/24/dalembert/index.html)
My connection is slow out here (keeps timing out). Is this the $70-$75 million deal that was discussed a week or so ago?
Yup. Also makes you wonder who'll be waived with the Allan Houston clause.
Quote from: Larry on July 24, 2005, 03:08:18 PM
Yup. Also makes you wonder who'll be waived with the Allan Houston clause.
Maybe McKie or Mashburn.
I hope it's less than that. I hope BK got him for under 60 million.
Now that everyone is signed it's time to use the MLE.
Jaric, Finley if cut, Walker are the only 3 names I'm interested in that are left.
Rumor is that the deal is for $60M-$70M...
It's for 58 million.
Jasner said that on DNL the other day. My hopes were answered.
:o :o :o
Eskin reporting that Willie Green will NOT be signed because he blew out his knee in a pick-up game!
tore an ACL
What a dumbass. Now he won't get a cent of that deal. Yo Willie...wait until the check is in the bank, cuz.
oh brother
I thought Howard was wrong 99% of the time? Why do you believe him now?
Because someone on RealGM reported the same thing hours before Eskin did...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2005, 03:38:29 PM
Because someone on RealGM reported the same thing hours before Eskin did...
that poster actually reported it yesterday....has an "inside source".
anyway...no worries...this is why billy "genius" king locked up john salmons!
Salmons. Oh God.
Yeh, ducehere or someone posted about the injury, and we refused to believe him.. but it's true. God dammnit!
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2005, 03:06:15 PM
tore an ACL
He tore his meniscus. http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/100-08032005-522813.html
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 03, 2005, 09:05:40 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 02, 2005, 03:06:15 PM
tore an ACL
He tore his meniscus. http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/100-08032005-522813.html
my wife tore her meniscus 3 years ago & hasn't been able to play basketball since.
of course, she couldn't play basketball before the injury so i'm not sure that's relevant. ;D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 19, 2005, 04:23:59 PM
Chris Crawford is coming to town for a visit...
Crawford's Bio (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3218)
Exciting, isn't it? :boo
Nets are about to get Abdur-Rahim....Billy The King brings in Chris Crawford.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2124298
for some unknown reason, the knicks are interested in kevin ollie...i read the following trade rumor this morning.
ollie/mckie/mashburn (contract) for tim thomas/malik rose....i'd do it, even though thomas sucks.
Don't know if we can give up McKie with Willie Green out.
Quote from: mhunt on August 06, 2005, 07:39:57 AM
for some unknown reason, the knicks are interested in kevin ollie...i read the following trade rumor this morning.
ollie/mckie/mashburn (contract) for tim thomas/malik rose....i'd do it, even though thomas sucks.
I'd do that in a heartbeat. Our fc would be deep.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 06, 2005, 09:46:33 AM
Don't know if we can give up McKie with Willie Green out.
McKie's replacable, and we still have the mle to use on a backup G.
yep...if the trade goes down, it fills 2 holes........backup pf/c & sf. then they could use the mle on a combo guard to replace mckie/ollie.
we need some power up front so I would do that trade no problem.
That rumor is disgusting. Malik Rose has a contract you don't want to touch, and Thomas is as much of a poison as any player can be.
thomas is on the last year of his contract & rose's remaining contract is almost identical to mckie's.
I think we could get something better for Mash. If not I guess I'd take it, but we still need to use the MLE to find a guard.
will the sixers waive mckie?
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/100-08062005-524336.html
we'll find out in the next week or so.
Phreak...what were you saying again about this? lol (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2127979)
Damn...first I've heard of that. Good news for the Sixers. I didn't want him going to Jersey.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 04, 2005, 12:45:49 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on July 19, 2005, 04:23:59 PM
Chris Crawford is coming to town for a visit...
Crawford's Bio (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3218)
Exciting, isn't it? :boo
Nets are about to get Abdur-Rahim....Billy The King brings in Chris Crawford.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2124298
I posted this a few days ago...LOL.
want a cookie? :P
Quote from: MURP on August 07, 2005, 07:29:34 PM
want a cookie? :P
lol, nope. Just showing Phreak that I had posted to him a couple of days ago and I guess he missed it. :=)
2005-06 Schedule (http://www.nba.com/sixers/schedule/)
They open the season 11/1 at home vs Milwaukee...
Billy was on DNL today...I wish Barkann would've asked him something of substance like if McKie is going to be waived or if they plan to spend the MLE.
He did say that up until the day he signed Sammy he had GMs calling him for a sign & trade for "an all-star player in return".
Quote from: PhillyGirl on August 07, 2005, 09:04:09 PM
Quote from: MURP on August 07, 2005, 07:29:34 PM
want a cookie? :P
lol, nope. Just showing Phreak that I had posted to him a couple of days ago and I guess he missed it. :=)
I did. :-[
King was on WIP this morning and said that they're leaning towards using the amnesty thing, but wouldn't say on who... :paranoid
Who else could it possibly be? It's definitely McKie.
Cheeks has talked about keeping him though, and with the uncertainty of Green, who knows. It could be Ollie instead....
Does it really matter? They both suck.
King already mentioned he likens this team to the team that went to the finals a few years ago.
Cut 'em both and sign URLAKKKKKKKER!
Quote from: MURP on August 09, 2005, 10:30:34 AM
King already mentioned he likens this team to the team that went to the finals a few years ago.
...a team that was lucky as hell to get to the finals and extremely outmatched once they did?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 08, 2005, 10:05:06 PM
Billy was on DNL today...I wish Barkann would've asked him something of substance like if McKie is going to be waived or if they plan to spend the MLE.
He did say that up until the day he signed Sammy he had GMs calling him for a sign & trade for "an all-star player in return".
who needs an all-star when you have sammy and his 8 pts/7 boards/1.5 blocks/5 fouls per game? :paranoid :-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 09, 2005, 10:34:45 AM
Quote from: MURP on August 09, 2005, 10:30:34 AM
King already mentioned he likens this team to the team that went to the finals a few years ago.
...a team that was lucky as hell to get to the finals and extremely outmatched once they did?
no kidding. ::)
it's just king's way of saying, "you should trust me because we had one great season 5 years ago." :P
pretty much. and the irony is that King didnt do anything except resign a guy. So basically King is saying that when he doesnt do anything (besides resign players) the 76ers are good. ha.
Not true. That season, they unloaded Ratliff and his injured and got the last decent year out of Mutombo.
Regardless, Billy King is quite overrated.
Basketball sucks.
I believe he was referring to the offseason, which is now. Not a trade during the season, like Mutombo.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 09, 2005, 01:29:45 PM
Basketball sucks.
Hockey is just a month away. :crazy
The guy on RealGM that had Green's injury before everyone else is now saying McKie will be cut... :P
So, who will step up and be the guy who's never healthy, only gets hot on his shooting touch when it doesn't matter, and can completely inadequately back up both guard positions?!?!?!?
The cutting of Mckie pretty much tells me BK is going after another guard in either a signing or a trade. I hope it's Finley, but that will be tough. The reason I say that is, with Willie hurt and Mckie being cut, that leaves very little guard depth.
Sixers traded Marc Jackson to the Nets with cash for a pick. :-D
Expect Steven Hunter to be signed.
Nets just rescinded SAR deal.
Which is why the Nets traded for Jackson...
Any word on what the "future draft considerations" that the Sixers got from the Nets will be?
we didn't just trade our only front court depth for a 2nd round pick. There's another deal in the works. Either we'll announce Steven Hunter as signed, or we'll use the exception we got in this trade + mashburn's contract for Theo and Shareef.
Steven Hunter isn't worth the full MLE IMO.
He's a big man who can rebound and block. Now's not the team to get cheap.
Terrible at the line, can't shoot, can't score. He's very one dimensional. You don't just dish out the MLE to an unproven player.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 09, 2005, 08:48:32 PM
He's a big man who can rebound and block. Now's not the team to get cheap.
ummm...he's a 13 minute per game backup big man...career highs are 4.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, & 1.3 bpg.
definitely not worth the mle.
QuoteUpdated: Aug. 9, 2005, 4:46 PM ET
Free money: Sixers, Knicks get played by marketBy John Hollinger
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13 players shift between 5 teams
We've seen it two summers in a row now: Too much money chasing too few good players.
The giddy free-agent market of 2004 wasn't supposed to repeat itself in 2005, but if anything, it got worse. With several teams hoarding cash for a free-agent market that didn't contain a single superstar, the conditions were ripe for panic-stricken general managers to grossly overpay second-tier performers. They didn't disappoint us.
Out of all the millions committed to players with modest career accomplishments, it was my job to find the 10 most abominable contracts of the 2005 offseason.
So, starting at No. 10, here are the worst of the worst. Next to each, I've listed the player's contract dollars, stats per 40 minutes for 2004-05, and Player Efficiency Rating (PER, my rating of a player's per-minute statistical production). The league average PER is 15, but nine of these 10 players were below that mark last season.
10. Keyon Dooling, Orlando Magic (three years, $10 million; 12.9 pts, 4.5 ast, 10.04 PER)
Sometimes I wonder whether general managers watch any games during the regular season. Yes, Dooling played very well in the playoffs, but didn't anyone look at his four regular seasons? Orlando wants somebody to play the point next so Steve Francis can move to the two, but Dooling is even less qualified to play point than Francis. His assist numbers are terrible (only 4.5 per 40 minutes last year) and he can't shoot. This would rank higher if there were more money involved, but Orlando at least avoided breaking the bank for Dooling. Which is good, because they still vastly overpaid.
9. Raja Bell, Phoenix Suns (five years, $24 million; 17.3 pts, 4.5 reb, 12.14 PER)
Bell is this year's Kevin Ollie -- a dependable role player in his late 20s who inexplicably got a multiyear deal because a GM took a shine to him. Bell isn't a bad player ... he's just not somebody you give $24 million to. Moreover, by the last year of the deal he'll be 33, and role players who aren't great outside shooters tend to sink like a stone once they hit 30.
8. Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia 76ers (six years, $58 million; 13.2 pts, 12.1 reb, 14.37 PER)
Unlike some of the other guys on this list, Dalembert can really play. I just doubt he's worth $10 million a year, especially if he stays hell-bent on goaltending every third shot. He's not going to provide post scoring, so the Sixers get their money's worth only if Dalembert defends and rebounds like crazy. He's done it in spurts, but that's it.
7. Cuttino Mobley, Los Angeles Clippers (five years, $42 million; 19.0 pts, 3.8 ast, 14.98 PER)
I guess that extra $5 million to keep Bobby Simmons was too much of a stretch, huh? Only the Clippers would go years as the NBA's biggest tightwads and then, when they finally commit money to a free agent, end up overpaying. Mobley is an average player even now, and by the end of the deal he'll be 34 and making more than $9 million a year.
6. Mark Madsen, Minnesota Timberwolves (five years, terms undisclosed; 5.9 pts, 8.5 reb, 6.76 PER)
I don't care what the terms are. A five-year deal for Mark Madsen? C'mon. He's barely worth the minimum based on his recent performance. Madsen's inability to score is well known, but some may not realize he's also a terrible rebounder. Last year he pulled down only 8.5 rebounds per 40 minutes, well below the norm for an NBA frontcourt player. Coming from the same club that gave Wally Szczerbiak $66 million, Troy Hudson $35 million and Trenton Hassell $26 million, this is further proof that the Timberwolves are far too in love with their own free agents.
5. Willie Green, 76ers (six years, $20 million; 16.4 pts, 36.6 FG%, 9.54 PER)
Speaking of teams that overspend to keep their own free agents: This one would rank higher except the Sixers might back out of the deal now that Green hurt his knee in a pickup game. It's hard to put into words what an abominable decision this was. Green's numbers last season suggested he'd have trouble staying in the NBA for one year, let alone six, and the Sixers already seem to have met their quota of shooting guards in point guard bodies. Besides, better players can easily be had for the league minimum.
4. Kyle Korver, 76ers (six years, $27 million; 14.1 pts, 5.7 reb, 12.84 PER)
Yes, the Sixers again. My colleague Bill Simmons was killing Billy King the other day for all the ludicrous contracts he's signed as Sixers GM, but these three might take the cake. In Korver's case, he's a great shooter, but he's not much of a basketball player. Between his defensive shortcomings and his near total inability to convert a field goal, he's well below average for a starting small forward and would be playing 10 minutes off the bench for most teams. Unfortunately, King's other moves included trading Keith Van Horn for Glenn Robinson and letting Matt Harpring walk as a free agent, so the Sixers are stuck with Korver as their starter at the three.
3. Brian Scalabrine, Boston Celtics (five years, $15 million, 11.6 pts, 8.4 reb, 11.01 PER)
Here's what I don't get about Danny Ainge's "brain-typing" craze: Didn't Scalabrine have the same brain last year? And hasn't he shot 39.3 percent for his career with that brain? If his brain type allowed him to become a good player, shouldn't it have happened by now? Thus far, Scalabrine's most enduring contribution has been as the league's best Michael Rapaport look-alike.
2. Joe Johnson, Atlanta Hawks (five years, $70 million, 17.3 pts, 5.2 reb, 15.18 PER)
Assuming this deal happens, it was bad enough for the Hawks to offer to pay Johnson roughly double what he's worth by giving him $14 million a year. It was bad enough that Atlanta's "plan" involves Johnson playing the point full-time, even though he gets into the paint about as often as Shawn Kemp gets into a leotard. But the real kicker for me is that the Hawks are now willing to fork out two No. 1 picks to Phoenix for the right to overpay Johnson so badly. Johnson's numbers have been inflated by all the minutes he's played, but on a per-minute basis he's a pretty ordinary player.
1. Jerome James, New York Knicks (five years, $28 million, 11.8 pts, 7.2 reb, 9.83 PER)
Of all the bad deals over the summer, this one takes the cake. It's one thing to overpay for a player who can play a little, like Johnson or Mobley. But what if you commit your full midlevel exception to a guy who can't play at all? That's what the Knicks did with James, rewarding him for the five good games he played in the Sacramento series and pretending the previous 82 games never happened. Between the inconsistent effort and the constant swooning over his alleged potential, James has become the new Michael Olowokandi, except that he's a worse player and even more egregiously overpaid.
:-D
That deal for Kyle was great. Sammy was overpayed, but he's a good young center, it's either overpay or don't get him. We need some frontcourt depth, so giving Hunter a good portion of the MLE is worth the risk, rather then going into season with Shavlick Randolph as first big off the bench.
Why would they put Willie Green's deal on there? He never signed it, did he?
We traded Jackson for a conditional second rounder ???
There must be another deal in the works because this one makes absolutely zero sense. :boo
No he didn't. Signing the best 3 point shooter in the league, and a future all star center in the weak east, is a bad offseason...
Why in he farg did he trade Marc Jackson? I know Jackson ain't no damn all-star or anything but where is the front court depth?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Shavlik Randolph? Deng Gai?
Pfft.
I hope they bring Hunter in. And not for the entire MLE. Split that bitch up and bring 2 guys in here.
$6M off the cap, that's why. Other moves are coming... :deion
yeah, Billy King has basically said he already knows what he is going to do as far as obtaining a big man etc. cant wait to see what he has in store for us. :-D
Quote from: ESPNInsiderSixer backup
Aug 10 - Now that the Sixers have shipped Marc Jackson to the Nets, they'll have to find a new backup for Sam Dalembert and Chris Webber. Dale Davis could be the guy, Davis' agent Chubby Wells told the Philadelphia Inquirer. Steven Hunter, Andrew DeClercq, Walter McCarty and Jahidi White are also reportedly in the mix.
I friggin hate Dale Davis! :boom
LOL...Davis' agent trying to get attention.
Isn't Chubby Wells currently pitching for the Red Sox?
The Sixers are looking to get more defensive-minded. When Sammy gets in foul trouble they have no one off the bench to defend.
I still think they will pull a trade to bring a starter in.
Jahidi White was supposed to be the Shaq of the Eastern conference.
Looks like we're close to signing Dale Davis.
And supposedly we're bringing in Allan Houston.
they should sign brian grant...the lakers just waived him.
Brian Grant = Dale Davis = suck
Allan Houston = ghey
grant is better than davis...he's an active big man who can rebound, play hard D, & even has a decent jumper. he's an upgrade over jackson too.
i agree about houston though...he is the suck.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 10, 2005, 09:19:24 PM
Jahidi White was supposed to be the Shaq of the Eastern conference.
Man, Jahidi White isn't even the Jahidi White of the Eastern Conference.
Why not just bring in Jayson Williams? He's big, can play d and rebound. And we all know that he's a great shot at point blank range. :paranoid
Stephen Hunter will probably be signed. I still would love to see Jaric, but I know its unlikely.
It's one parade of bums after another. This team's going to be the same this year as every year. Maybe make the playoffs as a low seed, maybe not. No further than 2nd round, and even that would be a miracle. Ho hum.
Hunter signed with the Sixers.
5 years 16.5 million.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on August 11, 2005, 06:35:45 PM
Hunter signed with the Sixers.
5 years 16.5 million.
The Sixers are running neck and neck with the Knicks in terms of worst payroll management and worst player personnel decisions in the NBA.
$16.5 Million for that piece of garbage?!?!?
Good God.
:-D
That's 3 million dollars a year for a big man with potential... who can back up Dalembert, block shots and rebound. We're over the cap by a mile anyway, so who cares at this point. He's an upgrade over Marc Jackson and makes less.
Allan Houston will be signing soon as well.
I watched Steven Hunter in Orlando.
He has no potential. He flat-out sucks, period.
He can block shots, and that is about it. That is what young shot blockers cost.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 11, 2005, 07:05:27 PM
That's 3 million dollars a year for a big man with potential... who can back up Dalembert, block shots and rebound. We're over the cap by a mile anyway, so who cares at this point. He's an upgrade over Marc Jackson and makes less.
Allan Houston will be signing soon as well.
I disagree with him being an upgrade over Jackson. :-\
Sixers still can sign another player too. On top of that a trade isn't out of the question either.
Billy said he has a plan. I believe him until proven otherwise.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on August 11, 2005, 08:25:33 PM
Billy said he has a plan. I believe him until proven otherwise.
See 2001-02. 2002-03, 2003-04 and 2004-05.
Unless of course the plan was to put a mediocre team on the court that was too good to lose and too bad to win during the last 5 years. If that's the plan then I stand corrected.
Quote from: T.O._81_RIP on August 11, 2005, 07:44:52 PM
I watched Steven Hunter in Orlando.
He has no potential. He flat-out sucks, period.
The guy is only 23 he still has to have some potential.
He's an upgrade over Marc jackson, who is way undersized to be playing center.
You can't count the Larry Brown years against Billy King, Larry Brown basically had total control. 2003-2004 was injury riddled, what was Billy supposed to do. He's been making changes, and has added some great young guys to a superstar and one of the best pfs in the game.
I can't believe he is signed for 5 years. Honestly...he sucks and I don't want to watch him play for 5 years. This sucks. FU Billy.
But after he went to Detroit Larry Brown said that he didn't know what he was supposed to do here. :paranoid ;)
I love it when fluffers disregard facts pertaining to this miserable team and cling to age-old horseshtein assumptions instead.
Steven
Hunter
Sucks.
What part of that don't you people understand? Signing Steven Hunter to the type of deal that King did is absolutely ludicrous. Hunter sucks. He sucks, he sucks, he farging sucks! Get that through your thick heads! I watched him in Orlando for three years and he's a walking stiff of a disaster. You do not, repeat, DO NOT PAY HIM THAT KIND OF MONEY!
Christ.
(http://www.centerpub.com/dump/Thud.gif)
Stick to Schlonging Terrell Owens. Hunter is a low risk, high reward guy. 2.8 million a year to start, that's nothing for a team over the cap by a mile. We have a great coach in Lynam, who can develop young guys with potential. If he comes close to his potential, we have him locked up for 5 years, so he won't just reach it and bolt. Low risk.. High reward
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 11, 2005, 11:41:39 PM
Stick to Schlonging Terrell Owens. Hunter is a low risk, high reward guy. 2.8 million a year to start, that's nothing for a team over the cap by a mile. We have a great coach in Lynam, who can develop young guys with potential. If he comes close to his potential, we have him locked up for 5 years, so he won't just reach it and bolt. Low risk.. High reward
Does he have naked photos of you or something? Hunter sucks. He's low risk, low talent. :boo
He's better then Marc Jackson, and we dropped from a 4.6 million dollar contract or so to 2.8. Get ready to eat crow.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 12, 2005, 01:01:33 AM
He's better then Marc Jackson, and we dropped from a 4.6 million dollar contract or so to 2.8. Get ready to eat crow.
Jackson was a solid veteran who could play the 4 and the 5. Hunter is a statue. I could care less about the measly salary dump, we're already a billjillion dollars over as is.
Hunter isn't very good, but they signed him for potential, and that is it. It was a good deal. It's not a bad deal, you are off your rocker. He makes under 3 million this year. That is what player like him get. What don't you understand about that?
Jackson could score from the free throw.. that's about it. He got no rebounds, played awful defense, and was undersized. We are right around luxury threshold, and supposedly King couldn't take a new deal without making room for it. 3 million dollars for potential seems right to me.
Yo! Do you guys realize that you're arguing over the backup goddamn center?!?
I liked Marc Jackson. I liked the fact that he was from here and went to college here and all that good stuff. But let's not forget his terrible series against Detroit. He looked real bad in the playoffs, guys.
I wish Jackson was still here. But he's gone. And the Sixers saved money, right?
Hunter isn't as bad as Mr. Orlando Magic is making it out to seem. He's just jealous that the Magic suck. :P
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 12, 2005, 04:40:35 AM
Hunter isn't as bad as Mr. Orlando Magic is making it out to seem.
Yes he is.
There's a Magic fan on my ship (yes, they do exist). I told him we signed Hunter and he said "good riddance" :-\
Why is he wishing good riddance? Hunter wasn't even on the Magic last year.
I don't care how bad he is....he's still better than slow-ass Dale Davis...
hunter is bad...but i'm glad they didn't give him the full MLE. he's an upgrade over jackson in terms of defense & rebounding but a huge downgrade when it comes to scoring. this team seriously lacks bench scoring now that jackson and his 10+ ppg are gone. i'm worried that billy king thinks allan houston is the answer & he'll be next.
btw, i think they still need 1 more big man....unlass you're okay with michael bradley as your 2nd big off the bench. :paranoid
They're not really going to sign Allan Houston, are they? Jeezus, BK should be taken out back and shot a la Old Yeller.
If they sign him for extremely cheap, it's very low risk. I wouldn't want him for a big deal, but if we can get cheap, then there is little risk involved. When healthy he is a 20 ppg spot up shooter, and a clutch one at that.
Farg all of this "cheap, low risk, high reward" bull shtein. Here's a crazy concept. How about bringing is some players who are simply worth the money they get paid.
Name those players please.
Screw the luxury tax. $100M payroll is where it's at!
Snider is the Steinbrenner of Basketball and Hockey ^-^
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 12, 2005, 10:07:35 AM
Why is he wishing good riddance? Hunter wasn't even on the Magic last year.
Magic...Suns...point is he sucks.
He was the best big man currently out there that we could afford on the free agent market. He isn't good, but he doesn't suck. He blocks shots. He isn't a scorer at all, but that isn't what he was brought in here to do. He's athletic and can rebound. He fills 2 needs. It was a good signing. I'm sorry but Shaq isn't available. We have to settle for these low budget centers. He's better than Dale Davis.
McKie got cut? Who's coming off the bench, Salmons?
Korver will once the Sixers add a wing man. They also could still trade Mashburn as well.
why is Mashburn even being traded around. It would be like the Eagles trading Vaughn Hebron right now.
Quote from: MURP on August 12, 2005, 05:10:17 PM
why is Mashburn even being traded around. It would be like the Eagles trading Vaughn Hebron right now.
Vaughn Hebron just got traded to the Oilers for Haywood Jeffries.
Mashburn gives teams cap relief.
Quote from: Captain Spach on August 12, 2005, 05:38:33 PM
Mashburn gives teams cap relief.
why not keep him? don't the sixers need cap relief?
We are way over the cap, he doesn't do any good. The next time we'll be under the cap is when AI and Webber's contracts are up. He does no good for this team. Basically it's like being trapped in a 100 foot hole and someone giving you a 10 foot boost. Yes you are closer to the surface but you still have no chance of making it back out.
Quote from: Captain Spach on August 12, 2005, 06:00:57 PM
We are way over the cap, he doesn't do any good. The next time we'll be under the cap is when AI and Webber's contracts are up. He does no good for this team. Basically it's like being trapped in a 100 foot hole and someone giving you a 10 foot boost. Yes you are closer to the surface but you still have no chance of making it back out.
so why trade him to add more?
Because the second this team acquired Webber, they told the entire town that they are going to go for the gold which is a championship. Building for the future is no longer an option. That starts when the AI and Webber era ends. So they have to acquire as much talent as possible to make that likely, and most likely if they acquire a player his contract will be up by the time AI and Webber's are so he'll be off the cap by then anyway. I know a championship is extremely unlikely, but if this team doesn't go for it now, then the Webber deal was entirely pointless.
The Nets are looking to acquire Aaron McKie.
I actually thought he'd end up with Larry The Nomad in NYC...
The Messiah has arrived (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/12389131.htm)
Houston wasn't cut, so the Sixers need to find another wingman they can acquire that can start. BK should go after Finley. It's not likely, but he should still try. If no Finley then I have no idea who the Sixers could get.
Junkyard Dog was cut instead... :evil
This team is going to suck hard.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 15, 2005, 04:18:44 PM
The Messiah has arrived (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/12389131.htm)
What exactly happened I can't open that?
Iverson had a daughter and named her Messiah
"This team is going to suck hard..."
Based on what?? Not getting Allan Houston??? Lol
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 15, 2005, 08:07:55 PM
"This team is going to suck hard..."
Based on what??
Based on not improving on the so-so team they put on the court last season.
They need to add depth, that's about it. We're improving through the development of our young players, Iguodala, Dalembert, and Korver. We're also me much improved with a healthier Webber, who won't be the limited jump shooter we saw last year. Finally, Hunter is an upgrade over Jackson as a backup C.
You're a pretty funny guy.
green is out 6-9 months so they need another guard.
Quote from: mhunt on August 17, 2005, 11:35:14 AM
green is out 6-9 months so they need another guard.
Nonsense. Salmons is a god.
Care to make a friendly wager involving our sigs or pics or something of the like, regarding the season?
Billy's going after Michael Finley....he'd be a nice fit as the 3 so Korver could come off the bench.
According to CSN the teams who are interested in him are in the same boat as the Sixres...all only have the full MLE to give. Except SA and PHX which have less.
He'll sign with Miami...
don't have one :P
Why the farg would we sign here over a title contender?
the sixers used part of their mle on hunter...they don't have much of it left :paranoid
We'd only be able to offer Finley 2.2 million. Either way it doesn't matter. NBA officials have said it's down to Miami and Detroit. Finley has a shot to contribute to two favorites in the East. They're a little higher on the pecking order then us.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 02:36:56 AM
Billy's going after Michael Finley....he'd be a nice fit as the 3 so Korver could come off the bench.
According to CSN the teams who are interested in him are in the same boat as the Sixres...all only have the full MLE to give. Except SA and PHX which have less.
Denver is in the mix because the can offer him the full MLE
and a starting job.
No they aren't. They have a team full of morons like Kenyon Martin, who specifically stated they don't want Finley. So obviously Finley isn't going to choose a team whose star Power Forward doesn't want him there.
Just going off of what I read a few days ago that Den can offer him money and a starting job. Didn't see anything about Martin not wanting him there.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 18, 2005, 12:35:52 PM
No they aren't. They have a team full of morons like Kenyon Martin, who specifically stated they don't want Finley. So obviously Finley isn't going to choose a team whose star Power Forward doesn't want him there.
I know you're the biggest Sixers homer ever, but you have to understand that Michael Finley will want NO parts of this team. He'll go somewhere he can actually win a championship.
Quote from: mhunt on August 18, 2005, 12:15:38 PM
the sixers used part of their mle on hunter...they don't have much of it left :paranoid
I was wondering about that. But CSN said they have th full MLE available, so I wonder why they said that?
Sarge,
Philly has a starting job for him too...at the 3. That would leave Korver to be where he belongs - coming off the bench.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL FINLEY IS EVEN REMOTELY CONSIDERING PHILLY.
STFU, bish! :-*
jet
Isn't Jalen Rose pretty much roster cancer wherever he goes, and isn't he wildly overpaid?
Even though I think Rose has more talent, I'd rather see Wally in here. Rose hasn't been on a winnng team since he left the Pacers. Wally's a pretty good shooter and an all around decent player and he's also got post season experience. Neither one of them really does anything for me but if I had to pick one, I'd go with Szczerbiack
I wouldn't be thrilled with either as well, but they are better than what we have and can score.
Flip Murray might be another choice, he's still a free agent.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 19, 2005, 08:31:24 AM
Isn't Jalen Rose pretty much roster cancer wherever he goes, and isn't he wildly overpaid?
yes he is. just ask the Bulls and Raptors.
In that case... GET JALEN!
Quote from: Monster on August 19, 2005, 04:01:44 PM
I wouldn't be thrilled with either as well, but they are better than what we have and can score.
Flip Murray might be another choice, he's still a free agent.
Murray's that dude from Seattle, right? He seemed to be kind of like a flash in the pan imo. Short term greatness, long term mediocrity.
Quote from: SSgt PSN on August 19, 2005, 04:13:05 PM
Short term greatness, long term mediocrity.
Sounds like a fit for the Philadelphia 76ers franchise to me!
He was hurt for the majority of last season and never really got into his zone. The season before he was one of the best bench producers in the league. He is a good player that will only get better. The only thing is he's like 6'3/6'4. Not very tall.
Iverson isn't just a point guard...he's the best (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3900858)
QuoteHe is as fearless as he is talented, which is a dramatic combination considering he packages that with perhaps the most intense competitive spirit in the game today.
bwaaahhhh! :-D you're right, pg...the media IS insane! :-D that's one of the most ridiculous articles i've even read & the author can't be more than 12 years old.
a point guard discussion with no mention of turnovers, defense, ball distribution, etc.
the guy looks at ppg, apg, & spg...that's it. if only it were that easy. :-D
I read a little blurb today in the Inky about David Hawkins and how he is tring to make the team. I'm rooting for him because I liked him when he played for Temple. Don't know what he'd bring to the table, but Mo seems to dig him.
I'm extreamly biast in my opinion of Hawkins. I'm desperatley hoping he makes the team. Last year he sat on the end of the Rockets bench for a few games, and was on their IR for a little bit. Hawkins is good defender, he can shoot and is very unselfish. I think he can be a decent 8th or 9th guy on the roster. Put him on the team, Mo. We lost both our Temple products in the span of 2 weeks, gotta get one back!
Pepe Sanchez is still available. :paranoid
Dajuan Wagner was working out with the team, too...
Wagner is intriguing...hopefully he'll work out and do good. We need some help...
Aaron McKie signed with the Kobe's, by the way...
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 20, 2005, 02:04:39 PM
Dajuan Wagner was working out with the team, too...
Wow...I love this kid. I've felt terrible for him and his luck since he got to the NBA. Intriguing, as Phreak said. Maybe his luck would change being back home.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2005, 05:00:51 AM
Aaron McKie signed with the Kobe's, by the way...
That's barfalicious.
not gonna be fun to have to root against McKie.
:puke McKie signing w/Lakers
Quote from: MURP on August 22, 2005, 09:12:59 AM
not gonna be fun to have to root against McKie.
Why, because he's a "nice guy"? Just remember how often he was injured and how much he came through (or didn't) in big games. You'll get over it real quick.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 22, 2005, 11:55:31 AM
Quote from: MURP on August 22, 2005, 09:12:59 AM
not gonna be fun to have to root against McKie.
Why, because he's a "nice guy"? Just remember how often he was injured and how much he came through (or didn't) in big games. You'll get over it real quick.
no jackass. regardless of his performances of late (which I too have been critical of) I have been a McKie fan since he was at Temple. Even have a Temple Jersey of his.
McKie is a Philly bred guy, nice as can be and a local fan favorite here since his days at Temple. He was always great to the fans (since his college days) and was respectful and played his ass off for the Sixers.
Seeing him go to a hated rival sucks ass, big time.
The Lakers are hardly a rival these days, but... whatever.
Many players have come and gone in Philly sports, and Aaron McKie is simply not one I plan to miss very much compared to others. Roenick? I'll miss him. Ike Reese? Hate to see a guy like that go. McKie? Bah, someone else's issue.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 22, 2005, 12:06:49 PM
The Lakers are hardly a rival these days, but... whatever.
Many players have come and gone in Philly sports, and Aaron McKie is simply not one I plan to miss very much compared to others. Roenick? I'll miss him. Ike Reese? Hate to see a guy like that go. McKie? Bah, someone else's issue.
Reese didn't spend his whole life in Philly....neither did JR.
McKie is a Philly boy.
Kobe was a Philly boy too. Raheem Brock was a Philly boy. Rip Hamilton, Eddie George, Rich Gannon, etc etc etc.
At one time or another, Philly boys will play elsewhere. I understand McKie hasn't yet, but it's more of a relief to him and to the Sixers at this point in his career. Other Philly sports figures are much more revered and deservedly so.
I'm just trying to help MURP get over his love for Aaron, that's all. It would be unhealthy for him to root for anything involving the Smog City Yellow Ass-bandits once the season begins.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 22, 2005, 12:20:05 PM
Kobe was a Philly boy too. Raheem Brock was a Philly boy. Rip Hamilton, Eddie George, Rich Gannon, etc etc etc.
At one time or another, Philly boys will play elsewhere. I understand McKie hasn't yet, but it's more of a relief to him and to the Sixers at this point in his career. Other Philly sports figures are much more revered and deservedly so.
I'm just trying to help MURP get over his love for Aaron, that's all. It would be unhealthy for him to root for anything involving the Smog City Yellow Ass-bandits once the season begins.
Missing the point completely. McKie was here his WHOLE LIFE. College and Pros. Seeing him leave is tough.
mckie can cram it.
Um, I hate to break it to you guys but you're all missing the point. LA suxs.
yeah, your missing the point dude, but whatever. Dont expect out of towners to care.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 22, 2005, 12:20:05 PM
At one time or another, Philly boys will play elsewhere. I understand McKie hasn't yet,
I guess you missed his first handful of seasons in the NBA? :-D
Who did he play with first? Was it Mo-town?
Portland first, MoTown 2nd, 76ers 3rd.
Yep, I missed them. I didn't care.
So, what's the big deal, then?
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 22, 2005, 12:41:57 PM
Yep, I missed them. I didn't care.
So, what's the big deal, then?
I think it's simply the fact that he's truly a nice dude who grew up in Philly, played college ball in Philly and the majority of his NBA career in Philly. And even though he sometimes fell short on the court, his efforts could never be questioned nor could his character. He's a guy that's easy to root for because he's so likable and it sucks seeing him go to LA, a team that's impossible to root for.
Fine. You're all right. I was wrong. McKie is the farging man; I'm so upset he'll be playing for the Lakers.
Basketball still sucks.
how dare you have a slight emotional attachment to someone you've watched for years!
You WILL learn to cut that out of your mind and focus all of your attention to the current roster. Love them. Respect them. Fear them.
:-D
Sixers will announce the signing of
Lee Nailon (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lee_nailon/?nav=page)
Billy King was on WIP a few minutes ago.
another meh, in an offseason of mehs
Nuke basketball!
Dont see it anywhere in here, but is everyone aware that the Sixers signed Steven Hunter back in August.
Sorry if I just missed it...
yup...middle of page 18 :)
Lee Nailon and Steven Hunter? :-D
Nice work Billy.
Two words for this season's Sixers: LOTTERY PICK
Hey I think we would actually get it this year.
Lee is ok. Used to kill the Sixers with the Hornets. Doesn't really shoot all that well, doesn't really defend all that well. He'll come off the bench and be ok. Bring some size.
nailon should give them some badly needed scoring off the bench...they still need 1 more backup sg/sf, imo.
Quote from: mhunt on September 23, 2005, 08:13:54 AM
nailon should give them some badly needed scoring off the bench...they still need 1 more backup sg/sf, imo.
I think Korver is that guy. They needed a starter.
it would've been nice if they could've signed Payton to play 1, move AI to 2, Iggy to 3, Webber at 4 and Dalembert at 5
Payton has next to nothing left. He's nothing but a name at this point.
Quote from: Avenger on September 23, 2005, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 23, 2005, 08:13:54 AM
nailon should give them some badly needed scoring off the bench...they still need 1 more backup sg/sf, imo.
I think Korver is that guy. They needed a starter.
true...but i've already resigned myself to the fact that the great white hope will be starting....again. :-X
Unfortunately I think you're right, Hunt.
I was also rooting for another 3 to be signed so KK could come off the bench. So we're going to have to hope that a] his defense got better and/or b] that Cheeks can scheme to cover up his flaws.
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The 76ers are currently 17th
Quote from: BigEd76 on September 28, 2005, 02:53:12 PM
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The 76ers are currently 17th
Who cares?