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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1200 on: June 30, 2017, 01:19:28 PM »

the answer is zero because no scenario existed.

you said something categorically untrue
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1201 on: June 30, 2017, 01:36:12 PM »

Glad they called up Williams

I have confidence in Middleton. I am glad that they have him as the front guy for the owners.
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1202 on: June 30, 2017, 01:42:47 PM »

middleton is basically on record as saying he will spend whatever it takes

also their payroll for the better part of a decade has been MASSIVE so i have no idea where you get this narrative that they are cheap

Talk is cheap

For the better part of a decade they were practically printing money. Their payroll was massive because they were winning. They're one of the largest markets, and for a 5 year stretch were one of the top teams in the MLB in a city that was starving for a winner.

Their run ended roughly 7 years ago. They've signed nobody of relevance in that time. Meanwhile they signed a mega deal with Comcast.

Until they prove otherwise they're back to being cheap. I understand the plan of developing young players but so far that plan has amounted to 5 consecutive losing seasons in which at no point were they in contention for a playoff spot.

they won over a hundred games 6 years ago

things that are true:

1. it takes years to properly strip the existing roster down have before you even start a rebuild
2. they waited too long to start the rebuild
3. teams really dont spend money during a rebuild....those two things are counter intuitive
4. you can criticize them for the prospects that have come back in rebuild trades not having worked out
5. saying they are cheap thru this rebuild is a sports radio take
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1203 on: June 30, 2017, 01:52:09 PM »

Glad they called up Williams

I have confidence in Middleton. I am glad that they have him as the front guy for the owners.

youre not gonna be glad when he gets sent back down in 3 days

middleton bought up shares once claire bentz and the other bucks started dying. he did it because he wants to win a world series more than life itself. middleton owns 48% of the team...2 remaining bucks own a bunch...the rest is small shares from whoever. basically middleton/bucks make the ownership calls and middleton is "the face."
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1204 on: June 30, 2017, 06:34:04 PM »

Yes I know the arrangement and I am glad he's the "owner". That group of not-give-a-fargs that had it forever sucked.
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1205 on: June 30, 2017, 07:54:36 PM »

please cut ben lively right farging  now

dont play around and try with a guy like this ...he can't miss a bat to save his life

excuse me while I throw this annoying met fan over the balcony
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1206 on: July 01, 2017, 01:35:15 AM »

Yes I know the arrangement and I am glad he's the "owner". That group of not-give-a-fargs that had it forever sucked.

that group owned the team when they won the world series
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1207 on: July 01, 2017, 02:07:31 AM »

And?

Try another angle.
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1208 on: July 01, 2017, 10:13:59 AM »

how could an ownership group that won a title "suck"
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1209 on: July 01, 2017, 11:22:03 AM »

By losing 50 more?
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1210 on: July 01, 2017, 11:49:18 AM »

Marge Schott won a World Series. Art Modell won a Super Bowl (he gets no credit for what he did in the 60s with Paul Brown's players).
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1211 on: July 01, 2017, 12:19:42 PM »

the silent partner owners just werent aggressive financially until they got into the bank. in the vet days they had bad teams and didnt attempt to make them any better. once they got a core and a revenue generating tax payer funded ballpark, they spent. that started in 2003 with thome.

if youre going to hold 25 year old grudges that claire bentz and john buck didnt give kevin brown a record breaking contract, go for it.

in reality they were what you wanted out of owners -- sign the checks and get out of the way. should their payroll have be bigger in 1999? SURE.
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1212 on: July 01, 2017, 12:31:41 PM »

Kevin Brown could pitch, though.  Let's see Joe Cowley, Ken Howell and Omar Daal do that!
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1213 on: July 01, 2017, 01:32:52 PM »

the silent partner owners just werent aggressive financially until they got into the bank. in the vet days they had bad teams and didnt attempt to make them any better. once they got a core and a revenue generating tax payer funded ballpark, they spent. that started in 2003 with thome.

if youre going to hold 25 year old grudges that claire bentz and john buck didnt give kevin brown a record breaking contract, go for it.

in reality they were what you wanted out of owners -- sign the checks and get out of the way. should their payroll have be bigger in 1999? SURE.

basically Norman Braman was cheap so the eagles will be too......foevah
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Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
« Reply #1214 on: July 01, 2017, 07:33:20 PM »

Kevin Brown could pitch, though.  Let's see Joe Cowley, Ken Howell and Omar Daal do that!

omar daal was actually acquired in the curt schilling trade!

just for a refresher, that trade was: nelson figueroa, daal, travis lee and liquor sweat vicente padilla for a borderline hall of fame pitcher at age 34. yikes.
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