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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 12:07:53 PM »

2100? I will be 113. Alright.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2007, 12:22:58 PM »

back in the 70's all the scare monger hype was about Global Cooling, and that an ice age was coming.

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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2007, 12:25:53 PM »

This isn't about scare mongering.  It's about education and changing behavior/policy in order to protect our ability to survive.

Feel free to ignore your responsibilities though, I'm sure it gets in the way of preaching about responsibility.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2007, 12:27:01 PM »

People who think that humans can effect enough change to "fix" our planet are delusional, as the uncontrollable environmental factors are a much stronger influence on climate cycles.

People who think the trend of warming is a bunch of hooey are equally wrong.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2007, 12:32:30 PM »

I have a friend who works in renewable energy and I enjoy busting his balls about being a hippy. Part of me busting his balls has always been to argue that global warming is bullshtein. Since I don't like to lose arguments I did a little bit of research a while ago to better argue my point.

ALL of the legitimate, non-politically affiliated research I found shows that this 'trend' in global warming is more severe and more prolonged than any in the planet's history. I've been convinced.

Stupid hippies.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2007, 12:32:45 PM »

This isn't about scare mongering.  It's about education and changing behavior/policy in order to protect our ability to survive.

Feel free to ignore your responsibilities though, I'm sure it gets in the way of preaching about responsibility.

Well i just held in a massive fart. Believe me, it would have risen the global temperature at least half a degree. You can thank me later.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2007, 12:33:07 PM »

My contribution to the environment is that I recycle everything and anything I can....including the food I eat.  :paranoid
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2007, 12:37:28 PM »

I wonder if the PSU haters will automatically believe the premise of this thread is bullshtein:

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"We have barely started down this path," said chapter co-author Richard Alley of Penn State University.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2007, 12:43:05 PM »

The genius of George Carlin:

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We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these farging people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the farging planet?

I'm getting tired of that shtein. Tired of that shtein. I'm tired of farging Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a shtein about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are farged. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

We're going away. Pack your shtein, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet's doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet's doing. You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...icehole.

So, the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now. And I think that's begun. Don't you think that's already started? I think, to be fair, the planet sees us as a mild threat. Something to be dealt with. And the planet can defend itself in an organized, collective way, the way a beehive or an ant colony can. A collective defense mechanism. The planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet? How would you defend yourself against this troublesome, pesky species? Let's see... Viruses. Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh...viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed. Perhaps, this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures. Perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus, making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along. And maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction.

Well, that's a poetic note. And it's a start. And I can dream, can't I? See I don't worry about the little things: bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we're part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order. Call it what you want. Know what I call it? The Big Electron. The Big Electron...whoooa. Whoooa. Whoooa. It doesn't punish, it doesn't reward, it doesn't judge at all. It just is. And so are we. For a little while.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2007, 12:44:14 PM »

People who think that humans can effect enough change to "fix" our planet are delusional, as the uncontrollable environmental factors are a much stronger influence on climate cycles.

People who think the trend of warming is a bunch of hooey are equally wrong.

That's pretty much my position. There's no arguing the gradual environmental shifts taking place. But I'd be interested in seeing the actual information that leads to the theories that humanity is the prime cause of it.

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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2007, 01:37:25 PM »

Everyone should go rent "An Inconvenient Truth" if they havnt seen it yet.  There is some value in that flick regardless of any politcal nonsense some may try and turn it into.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2007, 01:38:21 PM »

No evidence that it's man made. The planet has been warming since the ice age. Humans didn't cause it and they can't stop it. The greenie weenies are trying to use a natural phenomenon to impose their socialist bull crap on the world. No, thanks.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2007, 01:40:04 PM »

No evidence, my ass.  A vast greenie weenie conspiracy?  Because getting people to waste less is a huge benchmark of socialism?

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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2007, 02:04:09 PM »

There isn't any real evidence. You can point to a rise in CO2 and a rise in global temps but that isn't necessarily a connection between the two. The planets temps are driven by the oceans, mainly the pacific.
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Re: Man made global warming is real.
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2007, 02:04:48 PM »

I'll say this much:

Regardless of your view on how much it will do for the future of Earth, conservation of resources is a good idea.
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