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Title: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 14, 2008, 12:25:45 PM
Pitchers, Catchers, Durbins,  and Adam Eaton report today
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 14, 2008, 12:34:41 PM
Anna Benson's there too, right?  Now that Rome has no job, I fully expect him to stalk her. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 14, 2008, 05:05:28 PM
I got a call from a mortgage company who needs a chief review appraiser.  I don't know how but they found out I left my firm and they offered me the job this afternoon.

 :-D
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 14, 2008, 05:06:58 PM
I don't know how but they found out

Word spreads fast on teh internets. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on February 14, 2008, 05:09:28 PM
I got a call from a mortgage company who needs a chief review appraiser.  I don't know how but they found out I left my firm and they offered me the job this afternoon.

 :-D

you can thank me later
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 14, 2008, 05:10:40 PM
it had to be the hug
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 14, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
I got a call from a mortgage company who needs a chief review appraiser.  I don't know how but they found out I left my firm and they offered me the job this afternoon.

 :-D

Phillies Spring Training fever, catch it?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 14, 2008, 05:17:31 PM
I talked to a buddy and I think he gave his buddy a call.

I don't know if I'm interested, though.  I might look for a gig in a local or state gubment offices first so I can get a pension and other fringe benefits.  The kind of experience I have is exactly what they look for plus I have several friends in those positions already.

If I take a job with the county or state I'd be retired at age 62 with a full pension.



Anyway - go Phils. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on February 14, 2008, 06:12:34 PM
Howard showed up at camp when he didn't need to be there yet, is in better shape than this time last year, and was joking around with Burrell.  Clearly he's angry about his contract.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 14, 2008, 06:35:31 PM
Oh, the poor pampered athlete gets $7 million instead of $10. Oh what an injustice.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 14, 2008, 06:49:57 PM
actually, he'll get his 10, the philllies are dumb for trying to keep it at 7
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on February 14, 2008, 07:21:45 PM
Howard showed up at camp when he didn't need to be there yet, is in better shape than this time last year, and was joking around with Burrell.  Clearly he's angry about his contract.

Ooooh so that's how a guy who isn't moping acts.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 14, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
I hope Lidge pans out so I can rub it in the faces of these Astros fans I work with. Every day one of my boys cries about losing Lidge.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 14, 2008, 07:35:46 PM
(http://media.philly.com/images/utleyrun.jpg)

(http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/77bc79f4-258c-4d2a-a255-99a3715f83f5.jpg)

Look, BillyBeane's t-shirt made its way into the Phils clubhouse
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 15, 2008, 04:56:40 PM
Look, BillyBeane's t-shirt made its way into the Phils clubhouse


Man or Machine (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/1isme/video/?action=view&current=patshirt.flv)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 15, 2008, 05:10:14 PM
The fact that Leslie Gudel is reporting this story is actually funnier than the prank itself.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on February 16, 2008, 02:50:52 PM
actually, he'll get his 10, the philllies are dumb for trying to keep it at 7
No chance.   

Too little service time.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: phillymic2000 on February 16, 2008, 03:38:46 PM
I talked to a buddy and I think he gave his buddy a call.

I don't know if I'm interested, though.  I might look for a gig in a local or state gubment offices first so I can get a pension and other fringe benefits.  The kind of experience I have is exactly what they look for plus I have several friends in those positions already.

If I take a job with the county or state I'd be retired at age 62 with a full pension.



Anyway - go Phils. 

whats that, lazy and pissed off? Or are you going for something other then the DMV?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on February 16, 2008, 05:47:23 PM
Quote
The Phillies traded Kyle Kendrick today. To the Yomiuri Giants. In Japan. For Kobayashi Iwamura. ďDo they have good food in Japan?Ē a dazed Kendrick asked reporters. ďI donít know what to think right now.Ē Unbelieveable, huh? Completely unbelievable. The Phillies pulled an elaborate prank that involved Phillies assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr., manager Charlie Manuel, director of team travel and clubhouse services Frank Coppenbarger, Kendrick's agent Joe Urbon, pitcher Brett Myers and pretty much everybody else in the clubhouse -- including the media, who was asked to hold an impromptu news conference at Bright House Networks Field. Kendrick absolutely believed he had been traded to Japan. Nevermind that players can't be traded to Japan. "Are you shocked now?" a reporter asked Kendrick. "Yeah," Kendrick said. "You know what I say?" Myers chimed in. "You got PUNK'D!" The clubhouse erupted in laughter and cheers. Kendrick totally had been had. "I've never been so happy. Seriously," Kendrick said.

(http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/zozone/kendrick%27s%20trade%20papers.jpg)

(http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/zozone/kendrick%27s%20itinerary.JPG)[/quote]
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 16, 2008, 06:38:18 PM
Oh, those crazy Phils.  If Ruben ends up being half as good a GM as he is a prankster then he might do ok. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 16, 2008, 09:29:23 PM
saw Howard on TV and he looks to be in much better shape from last year, his gut is gone and he just looks better overall...hopefully it translates to a huge year
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2008, 10:56:46 PM
He does look jacked. All the more reason for those inept fargs to pay him now. Because when he crushes 60 this year, it'll be that much harder.

I hate Ruben Amaro.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on February 17, 2008, 06:31:33 AM
HGH!!!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on February 17, 2008, 08:20:19 PM
Here's the full prank for those that haven't seen it yet (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/021608-kendrickpunkd.wmv)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Don Ho on February 18, 2008, 02:18:18 AM
^^^^^

unfarging cool.  wouldn't be hard to get meyer's back.  thee's a boat load of shtein that would set him off.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on February 18, 2008, 06:30:27 AM
Get his wife in on it....Have pictures of her and Kendrick gettin it in, but not really obviously.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 18, 2008, 08:38:59 AM
Here's the full prank for those that haven't seen it yet (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/phillies/021608-kendrickpunkd.wmv)

we saw that on SportsNite last night. Totally funny and farged up all in one. I felt so bad for the guy, but I was laughing my ass off at the same time.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 18, 2008, 02:44:17 PM
LOL....it was on the front page of Yahoo

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/This-Phillies-prank-on-Kyle-Kendrick-works-on-so?urn=mlb%2C67279
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 18, 2008, 02:46:37 PM
and some of the comments on there...LMFAO

Quote
Kendrick should sue his agent for unprofessional representation and demand a trade from the Phillies.
Would you want to work for a company like that?

die.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 18, 2008, 03:06:39 PM
Yeah, it would totally suck working in a place where everyone had a sense of humor. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 18, 2008, 08:47:33 PM
howard is mother farging deezal in that video...gave me wood
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 19, 2008, 01:55:21 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3250830
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 19, 2008, 02:03:12 PM
Quote
Then Brett Myers essentially accused Beltran of a truly heinous crime -- trash-talk plagiarism.

"Sequels are terrible," Myers deadpanned. "You can't predict it twice. That's why Jimmy went with his sequel, of 100 wins. The plot has changed for us. I guess their favorite movie was us last year, or something. I don't know.


exactly what i was saying the other day....mets are pathetic
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 19, 2008, 03:12:10 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3250830

Quote
As a guy who once aspired to be a boxer growing up, Myers never met a battle he thought was worth backing away from.


Well.  That explains alot. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 19, 2008, 08:09:20 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23235984/

Kendrick and Wife Beater on Today.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 19, 2008, 08:31:34 PM
The wife beater thing never gets old.   Strsky.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 19, 2008, 08:55:20 PM
& Htch?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 19, 2008, 09:08:51 PM
Hllta!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 21, 2008, 09:10:13 AM
actually, he'll get his 10, the philllies are dumb for trying to keep it at 7
No chance.   

Too little service time.

you're smart

Howard wins arbitration case (http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080221_Ryan_Howard_wins_arbitration.html)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 21, 2008, 09:11:50 AM
good for him.  :yay
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 09:19:18 AM
Least shocking news ever.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 21, 2008, 09:19:30 AM
NO CHANCE!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 21, 2008, 09:31:07 AM
stupid phillies
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 09:38:19 AM
They can always tear the deal up and negotiate a long-term agreement.  Bottom line is he's a Phillie until the end of 2011.  All this means is next year his arbitration figure will start three million dollars higher.  Well, unless they get him to agree to buy out the next three years by agreeing to a longer term deal.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 21, 2008, 09:40:42 AM
thanks jayson stark
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: phattymatty on February 21, 2008, 09:45:29 AM
i met tim kurkjian at the airport once.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 09:46:14 AM
thanks jayson stark

Your face is a Jayson Stark.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on February 21, 2008, 09:58:02 AM
i met tim kurkjian at the airport once.
did he tap your foot in the stall
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on February 21, 2008, 10:24:55 AM
One of the first callers on WIP after the announcement:

"Howard is going to ruin things for the fans because ticket and food prices will go up." 

Rhea's response:

"Don't forget that Adam Eaton caused your food prices to go up too."
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on February 21, 2008, 10:26:40 AM
They should use caller ID to exterminate these idiots
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 10:31:34 AM
Why do people not understand the MLB service time principal as it pertains to compensation?  Take a tour of baseball boards.  People are absolutely drilling the Phillies for not paying Howard more.  It's not as if they haven't tried to work out a long term deal with him. 

Are they supposed to just give him whatever he wants regardless of the risk or regardless of the effect that doing so would have on the rest of their payroll structure?

Idiots.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 21, 2008, 10:36:27 AM
One of the first callers on WIP after the announcement:

"Howard is going to ruin things for the fans because ticket and food prices will go up." 

Rhea's response:

"Don't forget that Adam Eaton caused your food prices to go up too."

jesus christ.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 21, 2008, 10:38:02 AM
Take a tour of baseball boards.



no
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 21, 2008, 12:02:25 PM
While it's good Howard got his money...this is going to be bad for baseball in the long run.

You are going to see some of the smaller market teams trading more prospects away even sooner to the bigger market teams creating a bigger gap in competition.

I can say for pretty much for certain that Ryan Howard will not see the 2011 season in philadelphia.

2008 - $10M
2009 - $13-14M
2010 - $16-18M
2011 - $21-24M

A long term extension would cost the phils almost $30M a year. No way that happens.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 21, 2008, 01:08:59 PM
I can say for pretty much for certain that Ryan Howard will not see the 2011 season in philadelphia.

"pretty much for certain"

Get off the fence and make a bold declaration a la Billy Beane or IGY!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 01:55:18 PM
No player in history has come close to $30M a year other than A-Rod and even he's not worth it.

Even $20M a year for Howard is lunacy. Still, lunacy apparently rules these days, so...

Offer him $120M over 6 years.  If he takes it, fine.  If he doesn't, he'll be 32 years old at the end of his arbitration-eligible years anyway.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 21, 2008, 03:23:50 PM
No player in history has come close to $30M a year other than A-Rod and even he's not worth it.

Even $20M a year for Howard is lunacy. Still, lunacy apparently rules these days, so...

Offer him $120M over 6 years.  If he takes it, fine.  If he doesn't, he'll be 32 years old at the end of his arbitration-eligible years anyway.

The "no player in history" thing is totally irrelevant now.

Howard is going to get equal or more than $20M before he even ever free agency eligible. That will pretty much be the end of any semblance of "salary structure" in baseball.

You're going to see many more prospects kept in the minors longer now, so that teams that can not afford to pay $20M, or chose not to, can have a "star player" for a few years in their prime. While the phils stumbled upon howard as a late bloomer...it's lays a blueprint to have a bona-fide stud at an affordable rate.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 03:31:29 PM
I don't see how he's going to get $20M 'LONG' before 2011.  He's getting $10M in 2008.  You think he's getting $20M next year or even the year after?  It doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 21, 2008, 03:45:32 PM
Rumor has it Howard is demanding some estimator super duper measuring tape.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 21, 2008, 03:53:14 PM
I don't see how he's going to get $20M 'LONG' before 2011.  He's getting $10M in 2008.  You think he's getting $20M next year or even the year after?  It doesn't work that way.

where did i say 'LONG'?

If Howard enters next year in arbitration, how much do you think he will ask for, considering he won $10M this year? The Phils have to up their offer on the 10, if they offered less than 10...there is no shot howard loses.

next years arbitration numbers will be Phils $12M and Howard $15...easily.

and then do the same for 2010



Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 04:10:27 PM
He has three years of arbitration left.  That means for your statement about him reaching $20M before he hits free agency, he has to get from $10M to $20M in 2009, 2010, or 2011 and that's only assuming he stays as productive as he's been and the arbitration panels file in his favor each time.

Players rarely win each time because they seldom maintain the sort of statistical prowess year after year. 

Sooner or later they tail off and then they lose.

I think it's moot anyway because I think the Phillies will reach a long term deal with him before 2011, but if they don't, then they pay him four straight 1-year deals and then he goes bye-bye. 

One last thing: does anyone here really believe a guy who's built like Howard with the sort of defensive deficiencies he has will still be in the National League playing first base every day at that point?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 04:20:22 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/multimedia/15837617.html

Amaro is one of the smuggest little douchebags I've ever heard in my life.  I love how the reporters keep pressing his arrogant ass, though.  You can hear him getting progressively more pissed off as it goes along.

 :-D
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 21, 2008, 04:21:01 PM
By that math, Howard will be outearning ExxonMobil in the year 2093.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 21, 2008, 07:54:44 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/multimedia/15837617.html

Amaro is one of the smuggest little douchebags I've ever heard in my life.  I love how the reporters keep pressing his arrogant ass, though.  You can hear him getting progressively more pissed off as it goes along.

 :-D


Which is why he's #1 on my most hated Philadelphia sports person list. Smug little prick.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 21, 2008, 08:19:23 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/sports/baseball/21phillies.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Good NY Times piece on JRoll...

Quote
Rollins also chafed more subdued veterans like Scott Rolen with his incessant chirping. At one point, Rolen sat him down and said, ďYou just have to shut up.Ē
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 21, 2008, 08:22:33 PM
Rolen was probably Mr. Popularity in the clubhouse himself.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 21, 2008, 08:30:25 PM
Subdued is the wrong adjective there.  Sullen is more like it.

On the bright side, Rolen's in the Canadian equivalent of baseball heaven now, which is nice.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 21, 2008, 08:46:20 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/multimedia/15837617.html

Amaro is one of the smuggest little douchebags I've ever heard in my life.  I love how the reporters keep pressing his arrogant ass, though.  You can hear him getting progressively more pissed off as it goes along.

 :-D


Which is why he's #1 on my most hated Philadelphia sports person list. Smug little prick.


amaro is pat croce compared to banner
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 21, 2008, 08:55:59 PM
Banner is Willy Wonka compared to my johnson.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 23, 2008, 04:08:48 PM
Lidge re-injures repaired knee on first pitch from mound (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/news/story?id=3260676)

Yay for the Front office.

 :boom
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 23, 2008, 05:16:59 PM
not sure what the front office had to do with that...its more like yay philly sports
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 23, 2008, 05:18:36 PM
Any word on how bad he's hurt?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 23, 2008, 05:22:12 PM
not sure what the front office had to do with that...its more like yay philly sports

The FO brought in, again, damaged goods.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 23, 2008, 05:29:36 PM
if you hated the move from the start because he had a bad knee fine...and maybe you did....im saying blaming the front office cause his spike got caught in the dirt is hateradeing
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 23, 2008, 06:34:01 PM
We should definitely be panicking seeing as it's February 23rd and all.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 23, 2008, 06:57:53 PM
his first pitch...ain't that some shtein
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 23, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
his first pitch...ain't that some shtein

That's kind of my point of the  :boom :boom

Not the date (thanks MDS for your commentary, always welcomed)...but that it took all of ONE pitch for it to happen.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 23, 2008, 07:57:37 PM
his first pitch...ain't that some shtein

yeah, but i don't think it's because his knee is weak and the phils got duped or anything...i'm thinking it's more philly luck, danny tartabull type shtein...like first pitch and this guy re-injures himself, incredible.

i really don't blame the phillies here
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 23, 2008, 08:00:06 PM
I saw this in the Chase Utley transcript on Philly.com and got a chuckle out of it:

Quote
Q: There are two cages over a pit of lava and both are descending. In one cage, there are blueprints for revolutionary emissions-free technology. In the other is Shane Victorino. You can only save one. Which one do you save?

- Greg G., Washington, DC.

A: OK ... I'm going to have to save my centerfielder. I'm saving my centerfielder, yes. I have his back. Hopefully, he'd do the same for me.

WTF?   :-D
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 23, 2008, 11:43:21 PM
his first pitch...ain't that some shtein

yeah, but i don't think it's because his knee is weak and the phils got duped or anything...i'm thinking it's more philly luck, danny tartabull type shtein...like first pitch and this guy re-injures himself, incredible.

i really don't blame the phillies here

Pretty much, its not their fault. And I'm no FO lover, but they did nothing wrong here. Lidge could still end up working out well because after all, its February 23rd for chrissakes.

shtein, last year Myers and Flash both went down and they had nothing and that was during the season.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 24, 2008, 07:44:56 AM
That lava question was hilarious.

Victorinoey!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 24, 2008, 08:36:43 AM
its February 23rd for chrissakes.

 ::)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 24, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
You mean the power relief pitcher who's been ineffective for most of the past two season,  who also had major knee surgery....got hurt throwing 1 batting practice pitch?

Awesome trade.

Like I said the day this trade took place...this was is going to end in disaster.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on February 24, 2008, 01:14:33 PM
I'll reserve judgement till the details of the injury come out. If he is done for an extended period of time then yes this move is another in the long line of disastrous moves that Gillick has made.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on February 24, 2008, 02:15:02 PM
Anyone who thinks Lidge was ineffective last season should stop watching baseball and get clipped asap to help slow the rapid spread of stupidity.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on February 24, 2008, 02:17:12 PM
O yea and Lidge thinks he just pulled some scar tissue which is pretty common with knee injuries and not a big deal at all.

You can go back to panicking now. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 24, 2008, 02:31:26 PM
do you want go on a picnic with me?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on February 24, 2008, 02:42:28 PM
b-a-n-a-n-a-s
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on February 24, 2008, 02:59:18 PM
Lidge is getting surgery to take out part of his miniscus he will be out 3-6 weeks so he will be back the first week of the season worst case scenario.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on February 24, 2008, 03:07:07 PM
The good news is he's not on the shelf the entire season, the bad news is he probably won't be effective till a month into the season.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 24, 2008, 03:19:27 PM
Damaged goods!!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 24, 2008, 04:05:36 PM
Like I was just telling my boy who worries about everything...

So what if he misses even the first month of the year? As long as they have him down the stretch thats all that matters. They will need Flash and Madson to step up for the first month.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 24, 2008, 04:54:50 PM
Like I was just telling my boy who worries about everything...

So what if he misses even the first month of the year? As long as they have him down the stretch thats all that matters. They will need Flash and Madson to step up for the first month.

Phreak, why are you defending this? Damaged goods. Everyone KNOWS that April is the most crucial time for the Phillies year after year. Having EVERYONE be able to contribute is key. They can't farg around again this year and expect the Mutts to implode again.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 24, 2008, 05:00:49 PM
Like I was just telling my boy who worries about everything...

So what if he misses even the first month of the year? As long as they have him down the stretch thats all that matters. They will need Flash and Madson to step up for the first month.

Phreak, why are you defending this? Damaged goods. Everyone KNOWS that April is the most crucial time for the Phillies year after year. Having EVERYONE be able to contribute is key. They can't farg around again this year and expect the Mutts to implode again.

I can't help but laugh at this because every year the Philles have a horrible April and people start complaining, you're the first person to point out that "It's only April."  And then the Phils go on to miss the playoffs by a game or 2.

Could it be?  Are you finally coming over to The Dark Side? 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 24, 2008, 05:23:02 PM
Like I was just telling my boy who worries about everything...

So what if he misses even the first month of the year? As long as they have him down the stretch thats all that matters. They will need Flash and Madson to step up for the first month.

Phreak, why are you defending this? Damaged goods. Everyone KNOWS that April is the most crucial time for the Phillies year after year. Having EVERYONE be able to contribute is key. They can't farg around again this year and expect the Mutts to implode again.

Because I just fail to see the reason why I should freak out about Lidge needing minor knee surgery that will keep him out only for a little while.

Damaged goods? Too early to tell. But looking at what they gave up I am more than willing to like the Phillies FO for taking this gamble. I really like Michael Bourn, but in order to get a closer who has a great fastball and one of the game's best sliders, I'd give him up. Costanzo and Geary are trash.

Yes they need to start strong in April, but losing Lidge will not be the reason they implode in April, assuming they do. It will be because Howard starts out slow again like he did last year or because Rollins goes back to being the notorious slow starter that he is or because they fail to hit with RISP like they always do - not because the closer is out for a few weeks.

They lost Myers, Gordon and Madson all at one point during last season and survived with that trash. They can survive this. I am not going to leap off a bridge in February.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 24, 2008, 05:37:29 PM
Last year, I said that they needed to win in April. I came around after 2-3 years of them coming so close but failing by a few games.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 24, 2008, 07:28:49 PM
nm...
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 25, 2008, 11:26:32 AM

Damaged goods? Too early to tell.

He arrived at his opening press conference on crutches...


Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 25, 2008, 11:38:01 AM
Lidge is getting surgery to take out part of his miniscus he will be out 3-6 weeks so he will be back the first week of the season worst case scenario.




actually that would be best case scenario...worst case would be that he tries to come back in april cant do it gets put on the shelf for another month or two then tries to again come back cant do it and is deemed out for the year

looking at phillies and their history and the history of sports in the city i question anyone who isnt clinically depressed over this
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on February 25, 2008, 03:10:02 PM
Brad Lidge underwent successful surgery on his right knee Monday

"He went in and cleaned out about 15 to 18 percent of it, which leaves him a good 80 percent of the meniscus left," Phillies trainer Scott Sheridan said. "For us, it really was the best-case scenario that it was the only thing going on. His other side of the knee that he had repaired (Oct. 1) was fine, so it's pretty simple for us." Lidge still has a chance of being ready for Opening Day.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 25, 2008, 03:15:58 PM
while anything is better than you posting your own thoughts you really need to chill on the meaningless copy and pastes that you do 10 times a day
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on February 25, 2008, 03:19:48 PM
shtein...anything I post is relevant "new" news or future news that will happen

I'll take my 10 valid posts over your 167 posts/day of pure "meaningless" comments any day of the week flappy lip

Thanks
Your idol
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 25, 2008, 03:28:37 PM
lidge having surgery that everyone already knew was taking place is not news...going in and finding two torn ligaments that would keep him out for the year would be news


but like i said these copy and pastes are >>>>>> your own posts so ill take the lesser of two evils

carry on
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on February 25, 2008, 03:32:20 PM
what time you picking me up tonight?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 25, 2008, 03:36:39 PM
You'd think the best case scenerio would be that he was a healthy, effective closer. But what do I know?

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 25, 2008, 03:38:57 PM
You'd think the best case scenerio would be that he was a healthy, effective closer. But what do I know?



unfortunately thats not a scenario that currently exists
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 25, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
brad lidge got hurt once, so Wingspan hates him
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 25, 2008, 03:46:14 PM
in his defense he was against this move from the start for this very reason

unlike pg who im pretty sure was for the move and is now killing the front office
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 25, 2008, 03:48:02 PM
brad lidge got hurt once, so Wingspan hates him

I don't hate Lidge at all...

Bringing him here was a mistake. I said this from the day the trade was made. They learned nothing from the Garcia fiasco.


Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 25, 2008, 04:00:19 PM
but you can't compare a pitcher's knee and a pitcher's shoulder...totally different situations...


the guy had a hurt knee, and they knew that when they traded for him

Garcia was farged up before they got him and they didn't do their research, i agree with 110%, but just because he had a setback on a knee that was repaired you can't compare the two
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 25, 2008, 04:03:22 PM
When you are a power pitcher, your push off knee is as important as a shoulder.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 25, 2008, 04:04:45 PM
i'll buy that it's important, but it's never AS important...
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 25, 2008, 04:05:46 PM
I can not seem to find another hair to split here.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 25, 2008, 04:10:19 PM
The section of his knee that got injured the other day had nothing to do with the section that was injured previously.

There's another hair to split for ya.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 25, 2008, 04:11:29 PM
in his defense he was against this move from the start for this very reason

unlike pg who im pretty sure was for the move and is now killing the front office

Because its their farging jobs to know if a player is damaged goods. That was my fault for believing they learned their lesson with Garcia. I figured, if healthy, this guy COULD BE (never said I loved this move) solid if back to his former form. Once again, the FO proves to be worthless.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 25, 2008, 04:13:29 PM
what do you mean?  they knew he had knee surgery...do you think he showed up on crutches after the trade and they had no idea why?

it's a minor setback that had nothing to do with the original surgery....everybody calm down

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on February 25, 2008, 04:19:09 PM
cool...he now has two sides of his one knee that has/is either previously or presently hurt

POWER

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 25, 2008, 04:25:05 PM
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/bridge_jump030722.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on February 25, 2008, 04:26:31 PM
you better work on that gut boy
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 25, 2008, 04:26:31 PM
ill bet anything anyone wants that he reinjures the knee if not right away upon coming back at some point in the first few months of the season
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 25, 2008, 04:36:11 PM
$20
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 25, 2008, 04:39:50 PM
Defeatist nonsense.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 25, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
Watching the year in review of the Phils, narrated by JRoll.

Seriously, I hate how they were swept out of the playoffs and all, but last season was just awesome.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 25, 2008, 09:54:42 PM
Those video were the best when the Phillies were terrible and they had to spend the entire thing focusing on the 3 good games the team had and a bunch of mindless clubhouse footage, complete with hopeless optimism for next season.

Ahh...the good days.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 06:31:37 AM
Watching the year in review of the Phils, narrated by JRoll.

Seriously, I hate how they were swept out of the playoffs and all, but last season was just awesome.


it was basically 2004 eagles incredible when it happened but virtually meaningless by the time the next season started...

by now the mets collapse > phillies season
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 26, 2008, 09:38:27 AM
I agree somewhat...I just couldn't remember being that excited and happy from a season in a long, long time. It was thoroughly enjoyable.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 09:40:25 AM
agreed

its weird that the 2004 nfc championship game is a top 3 all time sports moment for me but now it causes more pain than joy
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 09:48:58 AM
The loss that came afterward shouldn't diminish the feeling of standing there in the freezing cold watching the clock tick down to zero.  Watching them lose the Super Bowl (in person) was awful, yes, but that memory doesn't cancel the other one out.  At least for me it doesn't.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 09:56:43 AM
does for me for the most part....i mean ill never forget it and at the time it was incredible....but really who the hell cares who the superbowl loser was...ill probably appreciate it more when/if a philly team wins a title...the 25 years in a row without a title dampens it more than anything
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 10:28:02 AM
First exhibition game tonight against FSU.  Savery to start.  I can't believe baseball's finally here again.

Woot!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on February 26, 2008, 11:11:56 AM
The loss that came afterward shouldn't diminish the feeling of standing there in the freezing cold watching the clock tick down to zero.  Watching them lose the Super Bowl (in person) was awful, yes, but that memory doesn't cancel the other one out.  At least for me it doesn't.

100% agreed.

I remember leaving there and realizing that the backs of my legs were frozen straight. Bending my knees to walk actually HURT, because I had been standing in that freezing weather the WHOLE game. I remember all of us taking pics of the scene with our cell phones and remember Reid saying that TO would be back and how the whole place went crazy. And McNabb with the tears, holding up the trophy. All of it was so surreal and so amazing. NOTHING can take that away from me. No, not even the Super Bowl loss.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on February 26, 2008, 07:37:14 PM
Print the World Series tickets. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=txphilliesolmedo&prov=st&type=lgns)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 26, 2008, 07:39:27 PM
Uncle Dummy already named Myers his opening day starter

IDIOT
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2008, 07:40:59 PM
Honestly, I dont understand why people are worked up over who is named the starter for opening day. It is game 1 of 162, King Cole will pitch game two and many many times thereafter.

Opening Day starter in baseball = meaningless in the big picture of things.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 07:41:30 PM
baseball americas new top 100 prospects was released

#54 carrasco
#76 cardenas
#90 savery


#26 gio gonzalez
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 07:44:30 PM
I'm going on Saturday to see the Phillies/Yankees.  Adam Eaton is starting against the Yankees.

Oh, joy.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 26, 2008, 07:53:10 PM
Honestly, I dont understand why people are worked up over who is named the starter for opening day. It is game 1 of 162, King Cole will pitch game two and many many times thereafter.

Opening Day starter in baseball = meaningless in the big picture of things.

1.  i have opening day tickets and wanted to see the King pitch

2.  Opening Day is a religious event and your starter is symbolic of who you think your best pitcher is...or it's supposed to.  Hamels was 15-5 last year and he can't get the nod?  Just terrible.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2008, 07:55:19 PM
I don't put much stock into that stuff. I just can't get worked into a fit of rage over whether it's Myers or King or even Moyer.

Myers will go out and throw a 3 hit shutout and you'll have fun.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 26, 2008, 07:55:55 PM
shut it, homer.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 26, 2008, 08:00:36 PM
I don't put much stock into that stuff. I just can't get worked into a fit of rage over whether it's Myers or King or even Moyer.

Myers will go out and throw a 3 hit shutout and you'll have fun.

me and you and going to butt heads all year over pop pop, aren't we?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 26, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
Honestly, I dont understand why people are worked up over who is named the starter for opening day. It is game 1 of 162, King Cole will pitch game two and many many times thereafter.

Opening Day starter in baseball = meaningless in the big picture of things.

Almost as meaningless as Thomas Tapeh being the Eagles "starting fullback" during player introductions and then Reid running a 4 reciever/1RB set on the first offensive play of the game.  
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2008, 08:04:02 PM
I don't put much stock into that stuff. I just can't get worked into a fit of rage over whether it's Myers or King or even Moyer.

Myers will go out and throw a 3 hit shutout and you'll have fun.

me and you and going to butt heads all year over pop pop, aren't we?

Probably, yeah. If he does dumb shtein I will call him on it. But most of the stuff he does is done by other managers too but he's ripped more because he's jolly ol Uncle Charlie.

He was a big reason that team won the division last year. He may be just another manager but those guys play for him and he was able to win despite all those injuries.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2008, 08:05:31 PM
shut it, homer.

Simmer down, Todd. Get out your pen and paper and get ready to cover some baseball this year.

Hey, you ever hear why your boy Marcus Hayes was removed from the beat?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 08:05:47 PM
I don't put much stock into that stuff. I just can't get worked into a fit of rage over whether it's Myers or King or even Moyer.

Myers will go out and throw a 3 hit shutout and you'll have fun.

i dont think anyone is in a rage but its a stupid move and laughable that the reason behind it is that charlie sees some match up situation in the first few weeks that warrants it...id love to know what that is...

like sun said symbolism but also confidence in your future cy young award winner vs some guy that has barely proven to be a #2 in his career...its a friggin no brainer that hamels should start
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 08:08:09 PM
I'd say it's a reward for the wife beater being a team player and agreeing to return to the rotation.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2008, 08:09:30 PM
I don't put much stock into that stuff. I just can't get worked into a fit of rage over whether it's Myers or King or even Moyer.

Myers will go out and throw a 3 hit shutout and you'll have fun.

i dont think anyone is in a rage but its a stupid move and laughable that the reason behind it is that charlie sees some match up situation in the first few weeks that warrants it...id love to know what that is...

like sun said symbolism but also confidence in your future cy young award winner vs some guy that has barely proven to be a #2 in his career...its a friggin no brainer that hamels should start

Stop.

Symbolism? Confidence by being named OD starter?

Confidence is leaving King (or any pitcher) in to work out of a jam, or letting him get a bunt down, or something actually in a game circumstance.

This stuff is nothing but MB and sports radio fodder; not votes of confidence or symbolism.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 08:14:01 PM
I don't put much stock into that stuff. I just can't get worked into a fit of rage over whether it's Myers or King or even Moyer.

Myers will go out and throw a 3 hit shutout and you'll have fun.

me and you and going to butt heads all year over pop pop, aren't we?

Probably, yeah. If he does dumb shtein I will call him on it. But most of the stuff he does is done by other managers too but he's ripped more because he's jolly ol Uncle Charlie.

He was a big reason that team won the division last year. He may be just another manager but those guys play for him and he was able to win despite all those injuries.

the guys would play for any manager...and get more wins under a competant one...this is not the same team as five years ago...and frankly the notion that these guys are a bunch of soft babies is played out....now is the time to have a manager that can lead the team to a title...charlie clearly is not that person...its funny to me that people act like there isnt anyone else in the world that could handle this team...like there isnt a players manager out there that can also properly manage a game......for some reason the media in the city fosters this idea that youre either nice and not a good manager or a good manager and an ahole....its simply not true yet many fans go along with this way of thinking

I'd say it's a reward for the wife beater being a team player and agreeing to return to the rotation.

thats exactly my belief and something i said to sun ealier tonight
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 08:17:08 PM
I don't put much stock into that stuff. I just can't get worked into a fit of rage over whether it's Myers or King or even Moyer.

Myers will go out and throw a 3 hit shutout and you'll have fun.

i dont think anyone is in a rage but its a stupid move and laughable that the reason behind it is that charlie sees some match up situation in the first few weeks that warrants it...id love to know what that is...

like sun said symbolism but also confidence in your future cy young award winner vs some guy that has barely proven to be a #2 in his career...its a friggin no brainer that hamels should start

Stop.

Symbolism? Confidence by being named OD starter?

Confidence is leaving King (or any pitcher) in to work out of a jam, or letting him get a bunt down, or something actually in a game circumstance.

This stuff is nothing but MB and sports radio fodder; not votes of confidence or symbolism.

you couldnt be wrong...does it change the season around of course not...but ask any pitcher and they will tell you how much it means to be named opening day starter...its very special to them...ask a young pitcher and he will tell you that it feels good to have the manager put you in that situation...

not to mention the strategical aspect of having your best pitcher against the other teams best pitcher
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 26, 2008, 08:22:08 PM
shut it, homer.

Simmer down, Todd. Get out your pen and paper and get ready to cover some baseball this year.

Hey, you ever hear why your boy Marcus Hayes was removed from the beat?

I think he left the paper.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 26, 2008, 08:25:20 PM
not to mention the strategical aspect of having your best pitcher against the other teams best pitcher

I've got mixed feelings on the #1 vs #1 philosophy.  If thier best pitcher has a history of just dominating your hitters but you've had success against thier 2 and 3, then why not send one of your other pitchers to the mound the first game?  In other words, "concede" the loss on the first game and give yourself a better chance to win games 2 and 3.

Of course, that's really a playoff argument, not really suited for opening day.  Because of the length of the season and injuries and skipped starts, opening day is 1 out of maybe 5 or 6 times during the year that your #1 pitcher is going up against the opponent's #1 guy.  
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 08:38:41 PM
Shawn Hill is going to be the Nationals opening day starter.  He's not exactly Sandy Koufax.

Just saying...
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 26, 2008, 08:41:50 PM
yeah, but they don't have anybody better, they're pitching their best pitcher, like 30 of 31 other teams


i literally think you could look at the phillies and probably say they aren't pitching their best pitcher on opening day.

i mean, why not throw pedro instead of Santana on opening day for the mets?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 08:46:19 PM
not to mention the strategical aspect of having your best pitcher against the other teams best pitcher

I've got mixed feelings on the #1 vs #1 philosophy.  If thier best pitcher has a history of just dominating your hitters but you've had success against thier 2 and 3, then why not send one of your other pitchers to the mound the first game?  In other words, "concede" the loss on the first game and give yourself a better chance to win games 2 and 3.

Of course, that's really a playoff argument, not really suited for opening day.  Because of the length of the season and injuries and skipped starts, opening day is 1 out of maybe 5 or 6 times during the year that your #1 pitcher is going up against the opponent's #1 guy.  

as tight as the mets phillies race should be this year you cant be conceding any games

the reason you go 1 vs 1 is for that exact reason...that you dont limit your chances to win...you hope you guy out duels their guy or you hope its a wash and take your chances in the late innings


Shawn Hill is going to be the Nationals opening day starter.  He's not exactly Sandy Koufax.

Just saying...


hill actually has pitched some really good games against the phils in his career...but that is neither here nor there...its not just the opening day game...its the second and thrid starts and its a couple weeks later against the mets...ect...
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 08:46:40 PM
For the record I think starting Myers instead of Cole is farging stupid.   I also think Cholly's throwing Myers a lollipop too.  All that said, there really isn't that much of a difference between Myers & Cole at this point.  They're both good pitchers but if I were the manager, yeah, Cole would get the nod.

I'm not, though, so...
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 08:48:13 PM
you crazy dook

king>>>myers...one is a borderline #2 starter and the other is a cy young candidate
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 08:50:02 PM
Zolecki's take...

Quote
Myers will start Philliesí opener

By Todd Zolecki

INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
CLEARWATER, Fla. - Brett Myers will be the Phillies' opening-day starter on March 31 against the Washington Nationals at Citizens Bank Park.

Cole Hamels will pitch Game 2 against the Nationals.

Though Phillies manager Charlie Manuel said today that Myers was chosen for matchup purposes, it wouldn't be surprising if the club awarded Myers the start for loyalty reasons. The Phils moved Myers, last year's opening-day starter, from the rotation into the bullpen early last season. Myers fell in love with the closer's role, but the Phillies returned him to the rotation this spring after acquiring closer Brad Lidge in a trade with the Houston Astros.

Hamels went 15-5 with a 3.39 ERA last season, his first full season in the majors. Myers won a career-best 14 games as a starter in 2003. Myers went 13-8 with a 3.72 ERA in 2005, and 12-7 with a 3.91 ERA in 2006.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 26, 2008, 08:53:08 PM
Rome for Phillies manager!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 26, 2008, 08:54:23 PM
anything can be better than the pear with legs they have now
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on February 26, 2008, 08:56:13 PM
The Phils are having Jew night Aug. 21 link (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/schedule/promotions_popup.jsp?c_id=phi&puid=2008_08_21_wasmlb_phimlb_1)

To keep with the Jew culture they're offering a discount on tickets purchased online.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 08:58:02 PM
The Phils are having Jew night Aug. 21 link (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/schedule/promotions_popup.jsp?c_id=phi&puid=2008_08_21_wasmlb_phimlb_1)

To keep with the Jew culture they're offering a discount on tickets purchased online.


they should get free rides on the train down to the game as well
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 26, 2008, 08:58:44 PM
free oven mitts too
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 08:59:02 PM
When I said there isn't much difference I meant as the opening day starting pitcher, not overall.  Obviously Cole is much better.  I wouldn't have thought I would have to spell that out but I forgot it's concretefield.  My bad.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 26, 2008, 09:00:27 PM
so king is much better in every game but the opener?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 09:05:57 PM
Your face is much better as a match for my ass.

Shut up, already.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 26, 2008, 09:10:06 PM
Industrial length measuring tape for all, Alabama Slammers for others!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 26, 2008, 09:11:12 PM
oh my god jewish heritage night? sweet gravy. that place will be flying with usy douches and a israel-flag waving chain-smoking middle easterners. no.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 26, 2008, 09:19:10 PM
Industrial length measuring tape for all, Alabama Slammers for others!

Ahaha.  I bought a shaker full of those things the other night.  A local bar had them for $8 so I bought a round for the group.  Needless to say they were better than the fertilizer we drank at training camp.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 26, 2008, 10:59:03 PM
so king is much better in every game but the opener?

For whatever reason hamels is below average in day games.

That said it's not going to matter when Gordon blows both of those leads in the bottom of the 9ths
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 26, 2008, 10:59:23 PM
not to mention the strategical aspect of having your best pitcher against the other teams best pitcher

I've got mixed feelings on the #1 vs #1 philosophy.  If thier best pitcher has a history of just dominating your hitters but you've had success against thier 2 and 3, then why not send one of your other pitchers to the mound the first game?  In other words, "concede" the loss on the first game and give yourself a better chance to win games 2 and 3.

Of course, that's really a playoff argument, not really suited for opening day.  Because of the length of the season and injuries and skipped starts, opening day is 1 out of maybe 5 or 6 times during the year that your #1 pitcher is going up against the opponent's #1 guy.  

as tight as the mets phillies race should be this year you cant be conceding any games

the reason you go 1 vs 1 is for that exact reason...that you dont limit your chances to win...you hope you guy out duels their guy or you hope its a wash and take your chances in the late innings


I agree overall with that concept.  But at the same time, it's kind of a silly one for a 162 game season where the Phillies #1 pitcher isn't going to be matched up with the other teams #1 guy every time he takes the mound.  That's probably not going to happen more than a half dozen times all year.  So getting bent out of shape over it not happening one more time isn't really worth it imo.  
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 26, 2008, 11:05:30 PM
Pretty much.

They need to win and have a good start in April regardless of who the manager selects to pitch. They will all get the turns so bitching about it or ripping the choice wastes energy, IMO.

Let's bitch about losing Rowand or Pat Burrell being relied upon to be a integral part of the line-up...
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 08:16:32 AM
I agree overall with that concept.  But at the same time, it's kind of a silly one for a 162 game season where the Phillies #1 pitcher isn't going to be matched up with the other teams #1 guy every time he takes the mound.  That's probably not going to happen more than a half dozen times all year.  So getting bent out of shape over it not happening one more time isn't really worth it imo.  

it happens more than you think..but if we go by your premise that everyone gets bumped down because of rain outs off days ect...then that means hamels is now pitching against other twos threes fours...which means by bumping him down you have the four and five guys pitching more games against the other teams ones and twos and threes instead of their four and fives and ones...

theres a reason why guys are slotted 1-5 and i think its a mistake to unslot them

hamels is better period....he won more games last year in a season where he missed a month than myers has EVER won in his career

myers might not even be a #2 guy much less an ace
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 27, 2008, 08:27:18 AM
Myers isn't a legitimate #2 starter?  Were you dropped on your head as a child?

I know you hate him for your own bizarre and inexplicable reasons, but for God's sake, he's an innings-eater who routinely wins 13-14 games a season as a starter.  And he won those games without the sort of offense that the Phillies trot out there now.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2008, 08:32:22 AM
Myers should be a #2 on a competitive team.  Not sure if he's any better than a 3 on a World Series team, but now we're just arguing semantics.

Either way, Cole is the clear #1 and should be the opening day starter.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 08:34:01 AM
on a weak team he might be a 2....which is why i say hes barely a number two guy...more likely a 3

but the point is he not even on the same planet with number one guys and shouldnt have that slot
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 27, 2008, 08:39:36 AM
Making him the opening day starter puts to rest any hint that he'll be switched to the bullpen.  The Phillies just saved themselves six weeks of "will he return to the bullpen" bullshtein throughout spring training leading up to opening day.

As for the other nonsense, suggesting he's not a legitimate #2 is so silly it's not even worth discussing it anymore.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2008, 08:43:20 AM
I made a legitimate #2 this morning.  It clogged my toilet.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 11:36:21 AM
unless my math is wrong and someone correct me if it is then king will miss the mets series because of this

its so comforting to know that the teams ace will completely miss the first series against the arch rival that they will be battling for the division title this year because the manager is a bumbling idiot

 



Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 27, 2008, 11:40:24 AM
Quote
Posted on Wed, Feb. 27, 2008


Why Brett Myers will be Phillies' Opening Day pitcher

By DAVID MURPHY
Philadelphia Daily News

dmurphy@phillynews.com
CLEARWATER, Fla. - When searching for adjectives to describe the Phillies' decision to tap Brett Myers as their Opening Day starter - relegating the unveiling of presumed ace Cole Hamels to the second game, April 2 - "curious" would seem the best place to start.

Except, when you listen to their rationale, it doesn't sound so curious after all.

It's easy to forget that Myers pitched into the eighth inning in the last Opening Day, holding Atlanta to three runs and four hits and striking out nine in a game the Phillies ultimately lost, 5-3. And it's even easier to downplay the psychological significance that accompanies the decision to place the ball in Myers' hands this time around. The Phils open March 31 at home against Washington.

But with closer Brad Lidge injured and Myers' success in that role last season, the Phillies wanted to make sure Myers knows they expect him to pitch, and pitch well, in the starting rotation.

"I don't want Brett looking forward to being a closer," pitching coach Rich Dubee said. "I want Brett preparing for Opening Day."

The Phillies decided the best way to accomplish that was to announce Myers as their starter an hour before the scheduled start of last night's rained-out exhibition against Florida State at Bright House Field.

Manager Charlie Manuel didn't pinpoint a reason why he made the decision, mentioning both setting up the rotation "the way we want it" and the following week's series against the Mets as factors.

All spring training, Manuel has gone out of his way to stress the fact that he views Myers as a top-of-the-rotation pitcher. At one point about a week ago, he called Myers and Hamels "No. 1 and No. 1A." Yesterday, while sitting behind a desk in the manager's office at Bright House Field, he told reporters that "both of them, to me, are No. 1."

From a mental perspective, Myers appears to have the most to gain from getting the ball on Opening Day. After the team announced that Lidge would undergo arthroscopic knee surgery and be sidelined 3 to 6 weeks, Dubee said he was concerned that Myers might get the impression that he would eventually end up back in the bullpen, as he did last season when the Phillies needed a replacement for then-closer Tom Gordon.

Though Myers, 27, has said he is more than willing to return to the rotation, he has also made no secret of his love for closing games. Last season, he converted 21 of 24 save opportunities and was a big factor for the Phillies in their late-season charge to the National League East title.

But Manuel and Dubee also wanted to make sure Myers understands how much they appreciate his self-sacrifice the past year. The righty will be a free agent following the 2009 season, which gives him plenty of incentive to find a specific role and excel in it before he hits the market. Nevertheless, Myers, who won 50 games as a starter from 2003-06, didn't complain when the team asked him to move to the bullpen. And he didn't complain when they asked him to move back to the rotation.

"Unselfishly, Brett went into the bullpen last year," Dubee said. "At first, it was probably a shock to him. He accepted it and did a hell of a job for us. He showed [he was] a pretty good team player by doing so. So part of it is a reward for him."

In his career, Myers is 59-47 with a 4.34 ERA, 773 strikeouts and 325 walks. He has pitched in 193 games, 143 of them starts.

"I'm open to anything," Myers said. "I liked closing, but I'm here to help the team. I can obviously do both. I've done both pretty well, so hopefully I can continue to succeed in what my role is this year."

Throughout the offseason, Manuel and Dubee contemplated making Myers their Opening Day starter. Assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said yesterday he "absolutely" agrees with the decision.

Manuel said he talked with Hamels, who went 15-5 with a 3.39 ERA last season, and that the lefthander was "definitely OK" with the situation.

"We had a good conversation," Manuel said. "I told him look, he was our No. 1 starter last year and he had a big year."

Hamels was unavailable to speak with the media by the time Manuel made the announcement.

After the Phillies' three-game series with Washington, they play four games against Cincinnati before traveling to New York to face the Mets. Myers could conceivably make his second start in the last game against the Mets, depending on how the team uses a scheduled off day between the first and second games. But Dubee said it is far too early to delve into such a scenario. *
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2008, 11:47:49 AM
Making him the opening day starter puts to rest any hint that he'll be switched to the bullpen.  The Phillies just saved themselves six weeks of "will he return to the bullpen" bullshtein throughout spring training leading up to opening day.

You're smart. 

Quote
Posted on Wed, Feb. 27, 2008


Why Brett Myers will be Phillies' Opening Day pitcher

By DAVID MURPHY
Philadelphia Daily News

"I don't want Brett looking forward to being a closer," pitching coach Rich Dubee said. "I want Brett preparing for Opening Day."

The Phillies decided the best way to accomplish that was to announce Myers as their starter an hour before the scheduled start of last night's rained-out exhibition against Florida State at Bright House Field.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 27, 2008, 11:56:36 AM
I'm about as smart as you are heterosexual.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 12:07:05 PM
if thats all true and i dont believe it is then it doesnt forecast a rosey year or future for myers....this guy is so out of his mind that he cant simply be told that he isnt going to the bullpen this year but instead has to be named opening day starter to show him...a move that negatively impacts the team....i dont know whos more of a joke the management or myers

because myers is so weak and stupid the best pitcher on the team by far  has to be demoted...cant wait for that first mets series when moyer and adam eaton have to pitch and myers has to go against santana in the finale...fun stuff
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2008, 12:09:06 PM
According to Mets fans, the Phillies should just throw a position player out to the mound or simply forfeit when facing Santana.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 12:15:21 PM
According to Mets fans, the Phillies should just throw a position player out to the mound or simply forfeit when facing Santana.


some phillies fans too...

In other words, "concede" the loss on the first game and give yourself a better chance to win games 2 and 3.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2008, 12:20:24 PM
But the Phillies aren't playing the Mets on opening day.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 12:29:45 PM
april 10, 2008
shea stadium
killa queens, ny
philadelphia phillies at ny mets
brett myers (0-1) vs johan santana (1-0)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2008, 12:45:34 PM
Oh, THOSE Mets.  Gotcha.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 27, 2008, 12:54:58 PM
so the igy 'sky is falling' routine has started again?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 27, 2008, 01:28:55 PM
unless my math is wrong and someone correct me if it is then king will miss the mets series because of this

its so comforting to know that the teams ace will completely miss the first series against the arch rival that they will be battling for the division title this year because the manager is a bumbling idiot

 

Your math is right if you count 5 games (which Manuel usually doesn't skip starts on off days). But he would miss the mets series anyway if he started game 1.


In fact even if manuel skipped a spot on the off day after the opener, hamels still doesnt face the mets that first series. He would have to be the #3 guy.

On the same note...if the mets run Santana on the opener, then he misses the phils series.

If you want Hamels to face the mets, you hold him out until game 3

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 01:41:45 PM
so the igy 'sky is falling' routine has started again?

no im saying myers better have a huge year...no more 11-9 seasons...hes the ace of the staff

anyone wanna do an o/u bet on myers wins...14 is the number and ill take the under...$20
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2008, 02:12:59 PM
I'm about as smart as you are heterosexual.

Then you are farging brilliant! 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on February 27, 2008, 02:53:33 PM
Phils up 8-0 after 5 innings in their 1st game
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 27, 2008, 02:55:10 PM
Need I say it?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on February 27, 2008, 03:01:59 PM
so whens the parade?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 03:06:36 PM
someone take my bet...shteins and giggles...something a little extra to follow during the year...i know theres a homer out there that wants it...squeeze me
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 27, 2008, 03:12:21 PM
His career high in wins is 14, IGY.  Are you seriously suggesting that someone bet you he'll have a career year in terms of wins?  If so, well, that's quite a brave stance you're making there, homeslice.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 03:16:16 PM
His career high in wins is 14, IGY.  Are you seriously suggesting that someone bet you he'll have a career year in terms of wins?  If so, well, that's quite a brave stance you're making there, homeslice.

you said hes a "definite" #2 and will be better now than ever with the offense they have....plus hes now the ace of the staff....i think you should take the bet

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 27, 2008, 03:22:57 PM
LOL - Hamels is the ace of the staff.  No one has suggested otherwise.

As for the bet, I'll have to confer with Reese before considering it. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 27, 2008, 03:23:47 PM
PHILLIES WIN!!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 03:40:01 PM
LOL - Hamels is the ace of the staff.  No one has suggested otherwise.

As for the bet, I'll have to confer with Reese before considering it. 

14 is the perfect number...remember 14 is a push so less than 14 is the only way you can lose...

if the number two starter on a playoff team cant win 14 stinkin games then something is wrong...shtein jamie moyer had 14 wins last year and adam eaton had 10


spoon me for $20
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 27, 2008, 04:35:39 PM
Let me in to the fantasy league and you've got a bet.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 04:59:41 PM
damn you
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2008, 05:00:27 PM
so the igy 'sky is falling' routine has started again?

no im saying myers better have a huge year...no more 11-9 seasons...hes the ace of the staff

anyone wanna do an o/u bet on myers wins...14 is the number and ill take the under...$20

In.

With the caveat that Myers stays in the rotation all year long.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 27, 2008, 05:04:30 PM
homer bailey...my man

IN


phreak = robert deniro
brett myers = wesley snipes



in the rotation meaning he doesnt ever close versus getting injured right?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2008, 05:09:54 PM
Right, no stint in the bullpen. STraight up starter all year.

Now excuse me while I go put on my 15 game winner #39 jersey.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 03:07:58 PM
choke dog with a 3 run shot

kendrick three solid

savery lit up


pirates 7-5 in the 7th
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 28, 2008, 03:21:52 PM
The internet radio thing isn't even working today.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 28, 2008, 03:30:43 PM
kendrick three solid

Some may say he's a 3.  I think he's more of a 4.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on February 28, 2008, 03:31:56 PM


savery lit up

bust
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 03:33:35 PM


savery lit up

bust

its not official until he has his tommy john surgery
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 28, 2008, 04:26:30 PM
kendrick three solid

Some may say he's a 3.  I think he's more of a 4.

As long as he builds on what he did last year,  I don't care where he is in the rotation. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on February 28, 2008, 04:38:42 PM
I think he shoulda been giving opening day.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 04:46:10 PM
kendrick three solid

Some may say he's a 3.  I think he's more of a 4.

As long as he builds on what he did last year,  I don't care where he is in the rotation. 


i used to wait for his bottom to fall out...now i wait for the time when im not waiting for his bottom to fall out...i dont know if ill ever get to the point where im confident that hes a major league pitcher
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 28, 2008, 04:50:44 PM
kendrick three solid

Some may say he's a 3.  I think he's more of a 4.

As long as he builds on what he did last year,  I don't care where he is in the rotation. 


i used to wait for his bottom to fall out...now i wait for the time when im not waiting for his bottom to fall out...i dont know if ill ever get to the point where im confident that hes a major league pitcher

That's a Philly trait.  It's what makes us Negadelphians.  Kendrick could rack up 6 Cy Young awards in the next 7 years, set crazy records and most Phillies fans would still be waiting for the bottom to fall out. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 28, 2008, 04:52:22 PM

i used to wait for his bottom to fall out...



Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 04:53:14 PM
That's a Philly trait.  It's what makes us Negadelphians.  Kendrick could rack up 6 Cy Young awards in the next 7 years, set crazy records and most Phillies fans would still be waiting for the bottom to fall out. 


good point
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 04:54:13 PM
That's a Philly trait.  It's what makes us Negadelphians.  Kendrick could rack up 6 Cy Young awards in the next 7 years, set crazy records and most Phillies fans would still be waiting for the bottom to fall out. 

come up with that theory from your mountains of data did you?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 28, 2008, 04:55:23 PM

That's a Philly trait.  It's what makes us Negadelphians.  Kendrick could rack up 6 Cy Young awards in the next 7 years, set crazy records and most Phillies fans would still be waiting for the bottom to fall out. 


And that 1 year without a cy young award would lead for 75% of WIP callers demanding him to be traded for prospects.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
romey still waiting for hedo turkoglu's bottom to fall out?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 28, 2008, 05:14:32 PM
That's a Philly trait.  It's what makes us Negadelphians.  Kendrick could rack up 6 Cy Young awards in the next 7 years, set crazy records and most Phillies fans would still be waiting for the bottom to fall out. 

come up with that theory from your mountains of data did you?

Temple statistics professor.   
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on February 28, 2008, 05:31:47 PM
people think Kendrick is going to suck becuase he doesn't strike anyone out and walks too many.   

not exactly a temple journalism class here.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on February 28, 2008, 07:04:47 PM


savery lit up

bust

its not official until he has his tommy john surgery

TJ surgery is the cool thing to do now. Its pitchers who dont have James Andrews cuttin on their elbows who you should worry about.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on February 28, 2008, 08:45:43 PM
people think Kendrick is going to suck becuase he doesn't strike anyone out and walks too many.   

not exactly a temple journalism class here.

negative chief....its because he came out of nowhere has no stuff to speak of and has pitched less than one full year in the majors
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on February 28, 2008, 09:02:55 PM
having no stuff to speak kind of has a direct impact on what I said.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 28, 2008, 09:21:13 PM
Kendrick is basically the "RP" in VORP.  Insert generic average pitcher here.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 28, 2008, 09:27:18 PM
Kendrick is a Tim Wakefield or Jamie Moyer in the making. His pitch selection is actually perfect for CBP, being a sinkerball pitcher, he is going to get a lot of ground balls.

If he gets more control of his fastball and changeup, he can be in the majors for a long time. Nothing flashy...just steady.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on February 28, 2008, 09:29:36 PM
and he won't put up big numbers, so that he won't command big dollars...he'll be perfect for this ownership as well as the ballpark
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on February 28, 2008, 09:41:03 PM
That settles it. Lifetime contract.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 29, 2008, 09:37:39 AM
I'm putting my custom K3nDr!cKz jersey on order right now. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 29, 2008, 09:53:04 AM
When Kendrick wins the Cy Young Award, you guys are gonna get served by me.

Oh, yeah... I said it.  SERVED!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 29, 2008, 09:58:01 AM
So, zero threat of ever getting anything resembling servage from Rome, then.  Noted.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 29, 2008, 10:07:08 AM
Kendrick will have a better career than Greg Maddux before it's all said and done.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 29, 2008, 10:25:43 AM
Kendrick will have a better career than Greg Maddux before it's all said and done.

ha!

He'll never accumulate the k total. 

Half his starts will come at CPB and even though he's a sinkerball pitcher, he'll still give up a few CPB specials.

Oh, and he plays for the Phillies so he'll never get the win totals or playoff appearances. 

I think he'll be a good pitcher but I don't see him being Greg Maddux good.  Let's take baby steps here and aim for Mike Maddux first.   
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on February 29, 2008, 10:33:39 AM
Rome caught a fishy!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on February 29, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
Hahahahahaha!

Just for biting, Sassy gets a beer at the next tailgate.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 29, 2008, 10:40:10 AM
I like worms.  
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 01, 2008, 12:59:12 PM
today's game vs the Yankees is on CW right now
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 01:10:41 PM
Eaton sucks.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
he's beyond sucks.

This team will NOT make the playoffs with him in the rotation.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 01, 2008, 01:23:06 PM
I'm not saying he doesn't suck but its still early into spring training. Johan Santana gave up 3 runs in 3 innings the other day.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 01:34:10 PM
The fact that you just compared Eaton to Santana in ANY capacity pretty much ends this conversation.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 01, 2008, 01:43:37 PM
I didn't make a comparison between the two pitchers, I used Santana as an example to not take what happens in spring training seriously. hooked on phonics 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 01:46:55 PM
Regardless, Eaton is terrible....and I'm not just judging him on this performance.

Or have you forgotten that his performance today was pretty much EXACTLY how he performed in 90% of his games last year?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 01, 2008, 01:48:22 PM
I thought this conversation was over?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on March 01, 2008, 04:11:41 PM
Jesus Christ rjs needs to come back and get his ho on a leash. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 04:13:51 PM
Jesus Christ rjs needs to come back and get his ho on a leash. 


I know, SD is out of control.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 01, 2008, 04:15:27 PM
badum ching
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 01, 2008, 04:16:51 PM
LOL, I'm still trying to figure out how rjs figures into this conversation?  :-D
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 01, 2008, 04:19:16 PM
BB refers to him as 'Jesus Christ rjs'
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 01, 2008, 04:19:25 PM
Golson makes an appearance and hits a HR.  Other than that, it was a bad game
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 01, 2008, 04:50:15 PM
why are you watching spring training baseball. could anything mean less? oh wait, the soul.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on March 01, 2008, 04:52:14 PM
LOL, I'm still trying to figure out how rjs figures into this conversation?  :-D
Just know that there is a tape, and I have seen it.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 01, 2008, 05:13:19 PM
I watched the first inning and checked in a couple of times during the Flyers breaks.  Thanks for caring, Todd.  :)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 01, 2008, 05:57:27 PM
i meant all of you, just not you, easy. come on now big guy.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 01, 2008, 09:14:28 PM
New screen name: "BigTodd"
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 01, 2008, 10:42:47 PM
I think Big Todd and Billy Beane spoon together.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 02, 2008, 08:56:53 AM
Great display of suckage from Eaton yesterday.   I'm thinking of going to see the King today in Tampa if I can get tickets.

BTW: Yesterday was the most beautiful day for baseball I've ever seen.  Absolutely ideal.  I have a ton of photos and I'll load them when I get home later.  You all care, obviously.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 02, 2008, 10:29:33 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/16146282.html

Quote
Lidge: Knee feels better than it did before the injury
 Lidge: Feelin' groovy We caught up with Brad Lidge today, and the report from the closer sounds positive. He said his knee feels better than it did even before he tweaked his knee last Saturday, forcing him to undergo arhtroscopic knee surgery Monday in Philly. Lidge said he thinks he's "on the early side" of the three-to-six week timetable doctors gave him for a full recovery. He still isn't ruling out a return by the start of the season.

"It's going good right now," Lidge said.

The 31-year-old righty has been playing catch at 65 to 70 feet for the past few days. He says he might be able to throw off a mound in about a week.

"There's really no pain at all right now," Lidge said. "Obviously, that's a great sign."
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2008, 11:29:54 AM
DAMAGED GOODS!

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 02, 2008, 11:51:45 AM
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Howard not worth it

What makes Ryan Howard think he is worth $10 million a year? His agent, Casey Close?

Just what the Phillies need, another Scott Boras type who only thinks of himself and money, money, money.

Howard struck out 199 times in 144 games, which would have been 224 times in 162 games. He broke the strikeout record of Cincinnati's Adam Dunn in less time.

Howard's batting average of .268 was just that, average. His 47 home runs were nice, but he could have had a lot more. And his RBI production would have been monstrous if his 1.38 strikeouts per game had diminished to less than 1 per game.

Howard has to make some adjustments at the plate. He also has to keep from thinking every swing is a home run. Keeping a calmer approach will bring on better results in all the departments.

I would not even think about a huge raise. Management was offering $7 million, which is a lot. But in order to keep Howard as a Phillie, the money seems to be the standard at this point in time.

William Bachman

New London, Pa.

Letter in the Inky...farging idiot
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 02, 2008, 12:34:12 PM
That guy's comments about the agent and money aside...he is correct in one thing. Howard needs to cut down on the K's....big time.

His 7 Ks in 12 ABs in the NLDS last year was terrible.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 02, 2008, 12:35:31 PM
If Howard was white that guy would have no problem with him.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 02, 2008, 06:38:28 PM
Hamels signed a deal for $500K this year.  He thinks it should've been more and says he'll remember this down the line.  F'ing baseball.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 02, 2008, 06:41:10 PM
Hamels signed a deal for $500K this year.  He thinks it should've been more and says he'll remember this down the line.  F'ing Phillies.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 02, 2008, 06:52:01 PM
Both are correct.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 02, 2008, 10:56:43 PM
Not sure how old this is but I saw it for the first time yesterday....

Howard's "MLB 08 The Show" commercial (http://youtube.com/watch?v=NEv2pu0Rjr8)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 03, 2008, 09:43:39 AM
Hamels getting a crappy deal is exactly why i hate the phillies
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 03, 2008, 11:46:13 AM
Actually on this one, Hamels needs to STFU and pitch. If he (or Howard at this point) don't like the number being given to them, they need to take it up with their union reps, not the media.

Hamels isnt getting a "crappy" deal here. He's getting the standard deal for his length of service and production, comparable to others in his situation.

He'll get his money at the end of this season, when he is arbitration eligible.

It's really funny to hear the fans complain that Howard or Hamels havent gotten a long term deal yet...yet they complained for years about the long term deald given out  to Burrell, Abreu, Leiberthal, etc.... at the same points in their career.




Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 03, 2008, 11:51:45 AM
Actually on this one, Hamels needs to STFU and pitch. If he (or Howard at this point) don't like the number being given to them, they need to take it up with their union reps, not the media.

Hamels isnt getting a "crappy" deal here. He's getting the standard deal for his length of service and production, comparable to others in his situation.

He'll get his money at the end of this season, when he is arbitration eligible.

It's really funny to hear the fans complain that Howard or Hamels havent gotten a long term deal yet...yet they complained for years about the long term deald given out  to Burrell, Abreu, Leiberthal, etc.... at the same points in their career.





Wingy..the problem is they first came at Cole for around 700k, he turned that down, so they gave him 500k.  They did the same thing with Howard last year.  Came at him high, he turned the first offer down, and they went lower than the original offer.  Even the Brewers didnt do this with Prince Fielder.  He turned down their first offer, and they gave him that same offer, not lower. 

The Phillies ownership once again shteins the bed.

And comparing them to Burrell, Burrell didnt win a MVP, Cole is the #1 on this team, and the ownership goes out of their way to penalize players for a paltry 200k?  Its not the money, its the principle
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 03, 2008, 12:03:40 PM
I'll be the first to criticize the Phillies on a lot of issues but they did nothing wrong in this instance.  Hamels turning down $700K was dumb on his part.  Either that or he got bad advise from his agent and followed it.

Also - did he expect that after he turned their offer down they were actually going to increase it?  If so, he really is a 'tard.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 03, 2008, 12:07:20 PM
Again, this is a collective bargaining issue, not a player/team issue. The rules are put in place and agreed to by both sides.

Players who only have 2 years of service or less...have no leverage whatsoever. The phils don't have to negotiate at all, the phils can dictate what they make for their first 2 full seasons as long as they dont reduce salary, or go below league minimum.

Hamels basically just sent the phils the same message howard did...by turning down the higher offer, they tell the phils that they expect a lot more in the future.

Enjoy Hamels (and Howard) for the next 4/5 years...that's all they will be here for.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 03, 2008, 01:01:55 PM
yeah, lets piss off our pitcher...yay management!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 03, 2008, 01:06:26 PM
http://www.nbc10.com/sports/15474634/detail.html?dl=headlineclick
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 03, 2008, 01:27:52 PM
Great, more damaged goods  ::)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2008, 02:38:54 PM
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Until Davey can return to uniform, Jerry Martin will coach first base, the organization said.

Martin, who played in the majors from 1979-84, is the outfield coordinator for the Phillies player development staff. Prior to this season, he was also the base running coordinator, a position he held since 2004.


Base running coordinator?  WTF is that? 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 03, 2008, 03:02:22 PM
He makes sure they run counter-clockwise.  It's kind of tough with nimrods like Burrell on the team.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 04, 2008, 01:59:01 PM
Kendrick  2.0 8 6 6 0 2 0 27.00
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 04, 2008, 02:20:16 PM
Greg Maddux, Jr.  2.0 8 6 6 0 2 0 27.00
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 04, 2008, 04:22:16 PM
Spring Training Pitching  2.0 8 6 6 0 2 0 27.00
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2008, 08:39:01 PM
So can we add Kendrick to the list of people IGY hates for no reason, along with Gocong?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 04, 2008, 09:23:27 PM
Ahaha I was thinking the same thing. He seems to hate a lot of guys for what seems like no real reason.

Gocong
Downie
Kendrick


Carter and Briere could be on there, but I understand the not liking someone if they're being a bit of a Hoyda sometimes. But still...the guys put up good numbers.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 04, 2008, 09:25:26 PM
i hate gocong too, he sucks
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 04, 2008, 09:27:54 PM
Yes, we know that IGY's balls dangle ever so slightly on your chin.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 04, 2008, 09:40:28 PM
no, moron, the point is that anybody with a brain realizes that he sucks....ohhhh now i get why you don't understand

nevermind
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 04, 2008, 10:25:52 PM
Dude....that was weak.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 04, 2008, 11:19:47 PM
I'm really missing Rowand right about now

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/BREAKING-Geoff-Jenkins-crushed-over-Brett-Fav;_ylt=AjLPH7OxX7_f7lrwThqLdSc5nYcB?urn=mlb,69947)

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Tuesday, Mar 4, 2008 1:33 pm EST

BREAKING: Geoff Jenkins 'crushed' over Brett Favre's retirement
By 'Duk
How much does Geoff Jenkins look like Brett Favre?

Enough that he agreed to a mock press conference this afternoon announcing his reaction to the retirement of the Packers' great and his well-known doppelganger.

"I'm crushed," Jenkins told me and a few Phillies beat writers here in Orlando before playing the Braves. "What can you say? The man was tremendous.

"Seeing how good the (Packers') running game was getting and the defense, too, he could have come back, but who knows?"

Twenty minutes earlier, Jenkins had been signing autographs for fans when he was asked the question he's heard the most in his life. 

"Has anyone ever told you look like Brett Favre?" inquired one fan.

"A few times," the Phillies outfielder said before grinning at a few reporters standing nearby. "A few times."

The great thing is that Jenkins has always taken the similarities in stride.  Rarely does he look like he'd have preferred looking like an anonymous butcher from Brookfield or an accountant from Ashwaubenon.

It's certainly understandable, though, why the retirement of Favre hits close to home. Since Jenkins arrived in Milwaukee in 1998, he's cleaned up on his resemblance to the most popular man in Wisconsin. A few times he even jokingly signed Favre's signature for confused fans. 

"Iíve had lunch, dinner, different stuff bought for me and the checkíll be paid for," Jenkins said. "Right from the go, theyíd just drop a note on the table, because they didn't want to bother ('Brett'). It said, 'Great games last year' but I had just gotten there."

There's a certain sect of people in Wisconsin who believe that Favre and Jenkins are long-lost twins. Some even think they're the same person. (Though that notion is disproved by the fact that Favre would probably be better at hitting left-handed pitching.)

To be clear, Jenkins isn't thinking of also retiring, though he didn't directly answer a question if he feels pain if an injury happens to Brett Favre or vice versa.

"Like if it's a cold day and his ankle is bothering him, you mean? he asked.

At that point, Shane Victorino interrupted the press conference with a well-tossed ball into Jenkins' unprotected crotch, thereby ending the press conference and Favre's hopes of having any more nephews.

But if Favre doubles over in pain later at Lambeau Field, at least we'll know why.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 08:24:12 AM
no, moron, the point is that anybody with a brain realizes that he sucks....ohhhh now i get why you don't understand

nevermind


no point in discussing sports with insufferable homers...you cant post a guy getting lit up in preseason unless you obviously hate him...which is why its so ironic whenever muson posts that someone is on someone elses nuts since he slurps every philly athlete to death

of course when i love a richards or killa or jimmy rollins or the entire sixers team the 14 year old twat doesnt say a peep...because to those kind youre allowed to big up the teams but god forebid you criticize anyone...which is why he loves gocong...not because he has a clue to how good or bad of a player he is but because to many people dont like him so he has to come to his defense

also some POS like briere is a good player in his mind because he saw in the paper that briere has some goals having no clue what makes up a good hockey player since hes probably watched five games in his life...in fact someone correct me if im wrong but did munson ever even post in the flyers thread until this season


at least with the phreaks and pg's and sb's of the world they know sports and watch games and their many homertastic views while disagreeable and often nauseating can also be respected
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 05, 2008, 04:12:51 PM
no, moron, the point is that anybody with a brain realizes that he sucks....ohhhh now i get why you don't understand

nevermind


no point in discussing sports with insufferable homers...you cant post a guy getting lit up in preseason unless you obviously hate him...which is why its so ironic whenever muson posts that someone is on someone elses nuts since he slurps every philly athlete to death

of course when i love a richards or killa or jimmy rollins or the entire sixers team the 14 year old twat doesnt say a peep...because to those kind youre allowed to big up the teams but god forebid you criticize anyone...which is why he loves gocong...not because he has a clue to how good or bad of a player he is but because to many people dont like him so he has to come to his defense

also some POS like briere is a good player in his mind because he saw in the paper that briere has some goals having no clue what makes up a good hockey player since hes probably watched five games in his life...in fact someone correct me if im wrong but did munson ever even post in the flyers thread until this season


at least with the phreaks and pg's and sb's of the world they know sports and watch games and their many homertastic views while disagreeable and often nauseating can also be respected

Damn, someone's on the rag.

I've said this before and I'll say it again...I know and will always know WAY more about the game of football and how it's played then you ever will.

And its hilarious that you think I'm a homer, but that's whatever. Anyone who disagrees with your always negative view is a homer in your eyes, not much I can do there. I don't think I ever said I love Gocong, IGY. I do think I said he's not as terrible as you make him out to be. I also said that I'd have no problem with the Eagles replacing him with someone significantly better...but to go hard on him after his first starting gig in the NFL, in which he was average at worst, is stupid even for you.


I've admitted openly that I don't know a hell of a lot about hockey...but I have always been a Flyers fan and watch the majority of the games every year. I don't need to post in the thread to prove that. And I don't need a degree in hockey to know that Briere was playing much better when he had Gagne on his line, as would anyone. I didn't say Briere was great or anything, I just pointed out how funny it is to watch you hate certain random guys.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 04:17:02 PM
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/didntread4gd.gif)   
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 05, 2008, 04:22:07 PM
OMGZ TH FUNNY DIDN'T READ FACE!11
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 04:26:06 PM
OMGZ TH CORNY GAAAY SPELL WORDZ WRONG ADD NUMBERZ TO WORDS FAKE DRUNK INTERNET RESPONSE11111
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 04:29:14 PM
is anybody original up in this piece?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 05, 2008, 04:30:04 PM
jesus christ igy is getting sandwiched by retards
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 05, 2008, 04:31:39 PM
did you get your check?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 04:32:48 PM
reese was that you on wip?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 04:38:32 PM
are you trying to reach out to me bro?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 04:42:21 PM
i just want confirmation so i can dream whispers of your voice as i go to sleep at night...i know it had to be you (or the small chance it was someone from this board using your post to ask the question)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 05, 2008, 04:49:15 PM
This thread is a farging trainwreck now
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 05, 2008, 04:51:16 PM
Myers pitched well today, no runs over 3 innings against Detroit
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 05, 2008, 04:54:48 PM
homer
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 05, 2008, 04:55:23 PM
I was thinking of driving over for the game, but it was a split squad game, so I said farg it and did some work instead.

I lose.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 05, 2008, 04:57:49 PM
isnt the whole thing with spring training just to be outside drinking a couple dozen beers in beautiful weather...i mean it would be nice to see choke dog bash one or something but it seems like the games are almost irrelevant
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 04:59:12 PM
i just want confirmation so i can dream whispers of your voice as i go to sleep at night...i know it had to be you (or the small chance it was someone from this board using your post to ask the question)

(http://te-be.ru/forum/html/emoticons/blowjob.gif)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 05, 2008, 05:02:06 PM
i know you can't offer anything baseball wise...so you should probably just stay out of the thread now
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on March 05, 2008, 05:04:03 PM
I know... I busted  your boys balls and your upset. Sorry Mo

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 05, 2008, 05:05:32 PM
your and your

well done
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 05, 2008, 05:08:28 PM
I know... I busted  your boys balls and your upset. Sorry Mo



Honestly, your shtein is derailing just about every thread on this board. Let some of the shtein that pisses you off go.

If you don't, you'll overtake my position as the most feminine poster on this board.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 05, 2008, 08:41:33 PM
If anyone wants deeply discounted tickets for the Houston series in early April, click on the link below and then type in UTLEY as the promotional password.

http://click.mlb.com/ct/click?q=3b-XhxVINdVJvNJL2PFWceur~Ppj1iR


Highest price tickets were $13.75 in the 300 level behind home plate.  Lowest price tickets were $8.00 in the outfield 400 level.

NOT BAD.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 05, 2008, 08:58:55 PM
isnt the whole thing with spring training just to be outside drinking a couple dozen beers in beautiful weather...i mean it would be nice to see choke dog bash one or something but it seems like the games are almost irrelevant

So what was the point of posting Kendricks numbers like it was the beggining of some sort of downfall?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 05, 2008, 09:38:22 PM
Myers on his way to 15 wins! = straight cash homey!

IGY, I"m breaking balls, by the way, about you hating on Kendrick.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 08:06:46 AM
If anyone wants deeply discounted tickets for the Houston series in early April, click on the link below and then type in UTLEY as the promotional password.

http://click.mlb.com/ct/click?q=3b-XhxVINdVJvNJL2PFWceur~Ppj1iR


Highest price tickets were $13.75 in the 300 level behind home plate.  Lowest price tickets were $8.00 in the outfield 400 level.

NOT BAD.


tuesday is $ dog nite
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 06, 2008, 08:13:57 PM
youve got all the money in the world, bossman, treat a brotha to a game
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 08:18:10 PM
well since you got me those temple joe tix its the least i could do for you
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 06, 2008, 08:20:29 PM
i couldnt even get tickets.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 08:22:06 PM
phillie tickets you can
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 06, 2008, 08:23:05 PM
well yea but i want you to do it for me. thats the point.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 08:24:07 PM
theres only so many ways i can say no
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 06, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
theres only so many ways i can spoil the finale of the wire
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 06, 2008, 08:27:28 PM
i dont wanna know but im not one of those psycho people that would cry if i found out...ill still watch it and love...ive watched each of the first four seasons three times and probably like it more now than ever
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on March 06, 2008, 08:58:47 PM
I am going to the opener.  I fully expect it to be 25 degrees and out rainy with the obvious phillies getting their ass kicked on opening day as usual.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 06, 2008, 09:19:51 PM
I am going to the opener.  I fully expect it to be 25 degrees and out rainy with the obvious phillies getting their ass kicked on opening day as usual.

But you'll still get great shots of Burrell's ass for your photo album, right?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 07, 2008, 07:20:04 AM
Quote
Phillies closer Brad Lidge said today in Clearwater he hopes to throw off a mound Monday, which could put him on course to returning to action March 17 -- giving him a couple weeks to get ready for the March 31 season opener against the Nationals.

Lidge is recovering from arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.

"Obviously, everything has to keep going right like it has gone so far," Lidge said. "But if it does, I'm still assuming and being optimistic about the start of the season."
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 07, 2008, 08:55:13 AM
maybe somebody wants to take a rake to the mound before he pitches this time?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 10:22:14 AM
It doesn't matter.  It's not if he re-injures it, it's when.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 07, 2008, 10:32:48 AM
With any luck he'll throw 2 pitches  :yay

We're pullin for ya Lidgey!

(http://www.fenwickfriars.com/images/red_ribbon.jpg)

Support our closer!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 07, 2008, 10:37:29 AM
knee injuries are truly catastrophic...i can see where you're coming from with this
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 07, 2008, 10:45:04 AM
Join me in a prayer session for our fallen closer?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 10:50:50 AM
(http://www.cybergifs.com/faces/pray.gif)   
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 11:48:05 AM
You don't believe in God.  So, to whom are you praying?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2008, 11:53:24 AM
Col Sanders
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 11:57:04 AM
"What's the matter, Colonel Sanders... CHICKEN?!?"

(http://www.hot-screensaver.com/wp-myimages/kfc-chicken.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 12:03:14 PM
You don't believe in God.  So, to whom are you praying?


i pray for things not to things

never be on another mans dick

like i pray i eat those mashed potatos for dinner tonight
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 12:06:20 PM
Don't pray about it.  Just do it.

An individual side of KFC mashed potatoes and gravy is only 140 calories, with only 5g of fat.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 12:07:08 PM
lol @ individual size
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
(http://www.kfc.com/menu/images/sides_mpg.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 07, 2008, 12:56:23 PM
Go farg yourself Eaton (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080307_Phillies_Eaton_shelled__says_he_has_bad_back.html)

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 07, 2008, 01:56:04 PM
Go farg yourself Eaton (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080307_Phillies_Eaton_shelled__says_he_has_bad_back.html)

Quote
He has been X-rayed and examined twice recently - so far he said those exams have shown nothing specifically wrong with his back - and will see another specialist today.

That's because the problem is a little lower.........in his vadge.  Send him to an OBGYN.  Or a taxidermist.  Either one will do. 

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 07, 2008, 02:43:32 PM
What a colossal failure that bitch ass trick has been.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: reese125 on March 07, 2008, 02:52:02 PM
trick? boy has some ghetto in the veins. go head Rome
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 03:46:01 PM
Memory lane gives mad props to MDS and IGY for their usual bad attitudes being absolutely correct.

Quote
Post by: BigEd76 on November 14, 2006, 06:35:07 PM
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According to ESPN's report on the GM meetings, the Phils have interest in bringing Adam Eaton back...

Post by: SD_Eagle on November 14, 2006, 07:07:43 PM
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He's fine if Wolf's not back

Post by: MDS on November 15, 2006, 04:22:29 PM
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they seem to be planning to do that with wolf or adam eaton. neither are superb, but are certainly fine guys to fill out the bottom of the rotation. again, things are 100x better if hamels and myers are top of the line guys.

Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 15, 2006, 09:14:34 AM
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Adam Eaton? Fine for a #4 starter. Hopefully he can stay healthy and hopefully he's not as bad as Andy Ashby was on his second tour of duty.

Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 15, 2006, 09:33:38 PM
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Wolf is best suited to be gone. I would rather see them go after Eaton or Meche as the 4th guy.

Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 26, 2006, 11:42:08 PM
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Get Eaton or Meche.

Post by: MDS on November 26, 2006, 11:44:59 PM
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Eaton sucks. Meche sucks.

Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 26, 2006, 11:45:40 PM
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Eaton & Meche > Wolf & Batista

Post by: MDS on November 26, 2006, 11:59:18 PM
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Eaton has never had an ERA under 4
Meche's best season was this one, 11-8 with 4.48
Batista just sucks

Wolf was a better option, but he's gone now.
I'd give the edge to Meche right now.

Actually, I'd give a young bull a chance to win it. If he fails, make a trade.

Post by: SD_Eagle on November 27, 2006, 04:44:14 PM
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He's got good stuff despite a high career ERA. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

Post by: ice grillin you on November 27, 2006, 08:07:52 PM
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eaton is average at best


I'm not even going to get into all the happy happy joy joy gladhanding over the Freddy Garcia acquisition.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 07, 2008, 03:53:32 PM
bahaha im so samrt
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 04:03:41 PM
bahaha im so samrt

Well, except for this:

Quote from: MDS
they seem to be planning to do that with wolf or adam eaton. neither are superb, but are certainly fine guys to fill out the bottom of the rotation
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 07, 2008, 04:15:35 PM
to be fair i think he was referring to scranton wilkes barres rotation
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 04:19:03 PM
You mean Ottawa?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 07, 2008, 04:21:36 PM
probably Allentown
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 07, 2008, 04:24:01 PM
What's that team's name?  The Allentown Admirals?  They are good.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 07, 2008, 04:24:22 PM
Iron Pigs!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 07, 2008, 05:40:34 PM
Jimmy I got the money today. UPS guy said it was stuck under a vent or something. Thanks, bunky.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 07, 2008, 05:42:31 PM
who the farg are you calling Jimmy, Herschel?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 08, 2008, 01:35:43 AM
Alicia?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 08, 2008, 01:40:51 AM
So is Lohse still out there? get rid of Eaton already.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2008, 09:57:01 AM
Quote
Phil Sheridan: Phillies need to forget about Eaton

By Phil Sheridan

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. - The Phillies overcame three seemingly insurmountable obstacles to win the National League East last year, and they weren't the Mets, Braves and Nationals.

They were Freddy Garcia, Jon Lieber and Adam Eaton.

The more time goes by, the more astonishing it really is that the Phillies were able to rally and win the division. Of course, it required both superb offensive production, which the Phillies can count on again this year, and a stunning choke job by the Mets, which they can't count on.

To win in a tougher division this year, the Phillies must have a good, even very good starting rotation. They no longer have to worry about Garcia and Lieber. They're gone. That leaves Eaton. The Phillies had to hope against hope that he could come back and contribute after his horrendous 2007 season.

Now it seems clear that he can't, and the sooner the Phillies deal with that and move on, the better. Magical thinking - relying on what you hope for rather than what you see - has doomed this team many times.

When Eaton was talking about his balky back a few days ago, it was as if Tommy Greene had reappeared in Clearwater. The big righthander was always sure everything would be swell if he could just get his back right.

Funny thing about backs. They feel fine until you try to make an unnatural movement. You know, like throwing a baseball or trying to hit one with a bat.

Waiting for Eaton to feel right may be futile. It may not even matter. There is increasing evidence that he just can't pitch effectively at the major-league level anymore. The Phillies' best move is to erase his name from the list of potential fifth starters.

It isn't necessarily bad to have a competition for the job. After all, the Phillies had a surplus of quality starters at this time last year, remember? They were so well stocked, everyone expected general manager Pat Gillick to trade the extra starter for some middle-relief help or an extra bat.

That promising, accomplished six-man rotation? Eaton, Garcia, Lieber, Brett Myers, Cole Hamels, Jamie Moyer.

By the pennant race in September, the rotation was Hamels, Moyer, Eaton, Kyle Lohse, Kyle Kendrick.

Myers was in the bullpen. Garcia and Lieber were on the scrap heap.

Having someone earn the job with a strong spring may be better than handing out spots to worn-out millionaires like Garcia, Lieber and Eaton.

Myers and Hamels give this team as good a 1-2 as there is in the National League East. Myers looked terrific the other day against Toronto's lineup. Hamels wasn't in command yesterday against the Rays, but he was trying to blend a curveball into his repertoire. Besides, he didn't look that imposing last spring, either.

"That's sort of the routine I have, I guess," Hamels said. "I'd rather make all my mistakes now. The results might not be what I want, but if I feel physically right, I can bear down and go into the season the way I want."

While Moyer and Kendrick are coming off solid years, there are reasons for concern because of age: Moyer is 45, and Kendrick is 23. For now, though, the Phillies have to count on both of them when the season begins.

Things began to get interesting yesterday and will heat up each day. Two contenders for the fifth spot pitched against the Rays. Fabio Castro looked sharp in three hitless innings. Young Carlos Carrasco gave up six runs on five hits and four walks.

A couple of more candidates, Kris Benson and Travis Blackley, are scheduled to throw today. Benson is coming back from an injury, so his simulated game today will be a major step. Tea-leaf readers will note that Blackley is starting today against Cleveland, which means he will get his first work against the opponent's full starting lineup.

That leaves the Durbins. J.D. started 10 games for the Phillies last season. Chad is a 30-year-old righthander pitching with his sixth major-league team.

A couple of the also-rans likely will wind up in middle relief. Pitching coach Rich Dubee said the other day that there was no need to make the starter-or-reliever call until late in spring training. That means this competition will go right to the end of the exhibition season.

The outcome will have a huge impact on the Phillies' chances to go back to the playoffs.

The offense is still there. Hamels thinks a 20-win season is realistic for him "with the lineup we have." And it's true. This lineup, with effective starting pitching, can win a lot of games.

Without good starting pitching? If you remember the near-miss seasons of 2005 and 2006, you know the answer.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 08, 2008, 10:05:08 AM
How are they supposed to "forget" an $8M payroll outlay?   Sheridan should stick to covering dog shows in Harrisburg and leave actual sports reporting to people with a clue.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 08, 2008, 10:29:23 AM
Paying Eaton $8M to not pitch would be the smartest money they've ever spent. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: troyhstewart on March 08, 2008, 11:42:18 AM
Paying Eaton $8M to not pitch would be the smartest money they've ever spent. 

This.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 08, 2008, 12:35:18 PM
Paying Eaton $8M to not pitch would be the smartest money they've ever spent. 

Teaching him how to fly a single engine cessna would be better.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2008, 02:07:00 PM
Paying Eaton $8M to not pitch would be the smartest money they've ever spent. 

I think if the Phillies asked the fans to donate, they'd be happy to.

Rome, wtf are you talking about?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 08, 2008, 02:28:34 PM
(http://www.bitterfans.com/UserFiles/Image/lidle.jpg)


Looks like Carrasco and Castro will start the season in Allentown and they're considering a rule V guy (Travis Blackley, the guy with the porn star wife) as the 5th starter

I also read today that So Taguchi learned English by watching Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo and doesn't want a translator to help him out.  I guess Incredibles is next on the list....
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 08, 2008, 02:31:34 PM
Rome, wtf are you talking about?

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/news/061023a/planecrash.jpg)

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 08, 2008, 03:40:33 PM
(http://www.bitterfans.com/UserFiles/Image/lidle.jpg)


Looks like Carrasco and Castro will start the season in Allentown and they're considering a rule V guy (Travis Blackley, the guy with the porn star wife) as the 5th starter

I also read today that So Taguchi learned English by watching Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo and doesn't want a translator to help him out.  I guess Incredibles is next on the list....


there was a big article on him wed or thurs in one of the papers easy...or is that the one youre talking about and youre just reading it now
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on March 08, 2008, 03:56:44 PM
Blackley has a porn star wife?

that is incredibly accurate?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 08, 2008, 03:58:24 PM
kinda like how youre incredibly inaccurate.....but different
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: mpmcgraw on March 08, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
s-r-s-l-y
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 08, 2008, 05:18:32 PM
Paying Eaton $8M to not pitch would be the smartest money they've ever spent. 

Teaching him how to fly a single engine cessna would be better.

:-D
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 08, 2008, 06:29:44 PM
there was a big article on him wed or thurs in one of the papers easy...or is that the one youre talking about and youre just reading it now

Nah, today's paper

Arynne Tiller....porn star.....nude model....whatever
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 08, 2008, 06:55:40 PM
Arynne and Trav's wedding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ck8z8xhAjI)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 08, 2008, 07:00:01 PM
there was a big article on him wed or thurs in one of the papers easy...or is that the one youre talking about and youre just reading it now

Nah, today's paper



I also read today that So Taguchi learned English by watching Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo and doesn't want a translator to help him out.  I guess Incredibles is next on the list....


i was talking about taguchi....anyway heres the one fron earlier in the week if youre interested...its pretty good

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/16208357.html
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 09, 2008, 11:03:10 AM
I read that Prince Fielder became a vegetarian in the off-season.  Good thing choke dawg isn't a Hoyda like that.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 09, 2008, 01:44:23 PM
Kendrick is getting raked again...

2 IP, 7 H, 6 ER, 16.43 ERA
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 09, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
what are you trying to say?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 09, 2008, 02:01:40 PM
that he's struggling right now
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 09, 2008, 02:03:05 PM
not that hes an iron pig who had a dream year last season that he will never come close to duplicating again?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 09, 2008, 02:04:30 PM
not yet, but i'm inching closer to that
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 09, 2008, 03:57:55 PM
Kendrick is getting raked again...

2 IP, 7 H, 6 ER, 16.43 ERA

Are they playing spring training games at CBP?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 09, 2008, 04:17:48 PM
I'm listening to David Cross's Shut up you farging baby.  One of the comedy parts is called "What if Baseballs had AIDS on them"  Hilarious
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 09, 2008, 06:27:15 PM
spring training pitching stats mean less than womens sports
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 09, 2008, 06:58:02 PM
the #3 starter is fine
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 10, 2008, 09:50:07 AM
Who, Eaton?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 10, 2008, 10:14:42 AM
looking around the league at other sinker ball pitchers, i'm not worried about kendrick.  they all have high numbers and it seems to be common for sinkerballers to get hit early in spring training
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 10:20:54 AM
im more worried about how he pitched last year...all smoke and mirrors...more hits than innings pitched...hideous k to bb ratio ect...i just cant see him getting away with that again....he doesnt have great stuff that is gonna make him better than last year so where do you go now...to me theres a good chance its in the shteinter
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 10, 2008, 10:24:02 AM
Sports fans have shorter attention spans than puppies. Spring training pitching stats are worthless, pitchers treat it like the nfl treats preseason.

They will try new pitches, and try new locations and not use their good stuff until the season starts.

Remember Gavin Floyd's incredible spring 3 years ago? Good pitchers use the spring as nothing but a way to gain their stamina back.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 10:29:24 AM
my point is that he wasnt great last REGULAR season....he was lucky as shtein...ill be the first to admit i was waiting for his implosion last year and it never happened and if he has another successful season ill be the first to admit i was wrong but i need to see it first
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 10, 2008, 10:33:51 AM
He wasn't "lucky," he did what all sinker ball pitchers do. Which is, they walk more batters than they should, but then they get more batters than they should to ground out.

It's just the nature of that style of pitching.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2008, 10:41:35 AM
Yup.  I'm interested in seeing how many DP's he had in support of him.  Sinkerball pitchers tend to get a lot of them because of the amount of grounders they get.  So while he may walk a guy, chances are he'll get the next guy to put it on the ground and give the d shot at turning 2. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 10, 2008, 10:46:01 AM
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Phollowing the Phillies

Insight, observations (and whatever else comes to mind) on the trails of the first team in professional sports to reach 10,000 losses and the latest Philly team to make the playoffs - the Philadelphia Phillies.
Monday, March 10, 2008
No pain a gain for three mending pitchers
Brad Lidge, Kris Benson and Adam Eaton all got their work in early Monday -- and all felt fine and optimistic following bullpen sessions outside Bright House Field.

Lidge was perhaps the most impressive. The team's new closer popping the catcher's mitt with mid-season-like speed.

"I was really happy. I didnít feel it at all. I got 25 pitches in there and I tried to let it all go, and it felt great," Lidge said. "Iím really encouraged by that, which is a big step for me."

Lidge is scheduled to throw another bullpen session Wednesday. On Monday, he was pain-free.

Lidge said he didn't feel any discomfort in the right knee he had arthroscopic surgery on two weeks ago.

"I donít right now. Not at all. Not that Iím trying to feel it, but I didnít have to think about it at all when I was throwing, there was nothing there for me to be distracted by or anything," he said. "It just wasnít there at all."

Can he be ready for Opening Day?

"Thatís the goal still, and based on today, I would say we moved a good step closer to that," Lidge said. "I think barring any setbacks, thatís a very realistic goal."

http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/delcotimes/ryanl/blog.html
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 10:48:06 AM
He wasn't "lucky," he did what all sinker ball pitchers do. Which is, they walk more batters than they should, but then they get more batters than they should to ground out.

It's just the nature of that style of pitching.

you do know there are sinker ball pitchers who arent good pitchers

well find out this year if kendrick is one or not
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 10, 2008, 11:04:03 AM
what i found funny was how Horsemouf on Wip was claiming that the prank on Kendrick hurt his fragile psyche and that its ruining him because he's a mental midget.  Why is that show even on the air?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 10, 2008, 11:07:24 AM
Yes.

And a pitchers second year is more telling. But Kendrick was 10-4, and was pretty effective in a pennant race. That says a lot right there.

To say he was "lucky" is as shortsighted and asinine as claiming he is "great"*

(although the only one saying that anyone has called him great is you, everyone else sees what he is, a solid middle of the rotation guy that every team needs to be competitive)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 10, 2008, 11:25:07 AM
If Cole Hamels could just start 50 games this year, the team would be set.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 10, 2008, 11:29:21 AM
If Cole Hamels could just start 50 games this year, the team would be set.

Maybe he would if the Phillies would pay him what he obviously deserves.

Obviously.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 10, 2008, 11:35:36 AM
Yes.

And a pitchers second year is more telling. But Kendrick was 10-4, and was pretty effective in a pennant race. That says a lot right there.

To say he was "lucky" is as shortsighted and asinine as claiming he is "great"*

(although the only one saying that anyone has called him great is you, everyone else sees what he is, a solid middle of the rotation guy that every team needs to be competitive)


not saying i didnt say it but i dont recall ever saying that someone said he was great...my concern is that he is going to suck...like should be sent down to allentown suck...i just dont think a sinker baller gets a pass for having an inordinate amount of walks and giving up tons of hits just because hes a sinker baller...the hits in particular were off the charts for him last year and dont portend to him doing well this year...

if he was their 5th starter this wouldnt even be a concern to me but hes their #3 guy...i mean i dont care that eaton blows because they can just jettison him and get whoever to round out the rotation...but where do they get a #3 guy in june or july if kendrick blows
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2008, 04:09:51 PM
They switch Moyer to 3 and Kendrick to 4.  Problem solved.   :D
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 10, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
not sure if it was on here already but Eaton has a Hernia and something else wrong with his back.  Take him out back and old yeller him
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 10, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
not sure if it was on here already but Eaton has a Hernia and something else wrong with his back.  Take him out back and old yeller him

Last I had read, there was nothing wrong with it, so I must have missed that update.

He's a Hoyda. Get rid of the farging guy already.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 10, 2008, 05:05:48 PM
The bitch is making $8M this year and a guaranteed $8.5M next.  Where exactly are they supposed to send him?  They can't cut him because of a guaranteed contract, they can't trade him because no one wants him, and if they sit him down or send him to the minors, there will be a huge stink in the clubhouse over it.

It's a disaster no matter what course they take.

Thanks, Gillick! 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2008, 05:23:28 PM
The bitch is making $8M this year and a guaranteed $8.5M next.  Where exactly are they supposed to send him?  They can't cut him because of a guaranteed contract.

Paying Eaton $8M to not pitch would be the smartest money they've ever spent. 

Seriously, the Phillies would be better off just eating his salary, cut him and pay him not to play.  It's simple addition by subtraction. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 10, 2008, 09:27:47 PM
The bitch is making $8M this year and a guaranteed $8.5M next.  Where exactly are they supposed to send him?  They can't cut him because of a guaranteed contract.

Paying Eaton $8M to not pitch would be the smartest money they've ever spent. 

Seriously, the Phillies would be better off just eating his salary, cut him and pay him not to play.  It's simple addition by subtraction. 

Exactly. Why is that so hard to understand Rome?  :-\

The guy is a guaranteed loss every 5th day.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 10, 2008, 09:33:23 PM
While I disagree that Eaton's presence guarantees a loss (too many variables like late inning offensive explosion to come from behind), his absence does guarantee that the Phils have a much improved chance at winning every 5th day he isn't on the mound.   

So basically, the Phillies would be getting their money's worth.  They'd be paying $8M for a better shot at winning.  My logic is flawless. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 10, 2008, 10:17:28 PM
not sure if it was on here already but Eaton has a Hernia and something else wrong with his back.  Take him out back and old yeller him

Herniated disc
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 10, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
not sure if it was on here already but Eaton has a Hernia and something else wrong with his back.  Take him out back and old yeller him

Herniated disc

I just have to say that I've been down that road, and I've never had a more debilitating injury.  I couldn't stand up straight, had to use a cane and couldn't walk more than about 3 minuted because of the excruciating pain.  I can't imagine trying to pitch in MLB with that.

That being said, Eaton still sucks.  Hard.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 11, 2008, 07:43:21 AM
Maybe the Phils can trade for a good starter, like Freddy Garcia?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 11, 2008, 07:45:26 AM
I just have to say that I've been down that road, and I've never had a more debilitating injury. 

Clearly you've never had a sore shoulder. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 11, 2008, 08:17:27 AM
I just have to say that I've been down that road, and I've never had a more debilitating injury. 

Clearly you've never had a sore shoulder. 
i hear its the worst

Speaking of which, im getting a bionic arm friday.  that is incredibly accurate
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: troyhstewart on March 11, 2008, 10:19:07 AM
The bitch is making $8M this year and a guaranteed $8.5M next.  Where exactly are they supposed to send him?  They can't cut him because of a guaranteed contract, they can't trade him because no one wants him, and if they sit him down or send him to the minors, there will be a huge stink in the clubhouse over it.

It's a disaster no matter what course they take.

Thanks, Gillick! 

I always thought Amaro and/or Arbuckle had more to do with signing Eaton than Gillick.  ???
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 11, 2008, 10:29:26 AM
The bitch is making $8M this year and a guaranteed $8.5M next.  Where exactly are they supposed to send him?  They can't cut him because of a guaranteed contract.

Paying Eaton $8M to not pitch would be the smartest money they've ever spent. 

Seriously, the Phillies would be better off just eating his salary, cut him and pay him not to play.  It's simple addition by subtraction. 

Exactly. Why is that so hard to understand Rome?  :-\

The guy is a guaranteed loss every 5th day.

You said "get rid of him."  I assumed that meant you wanted him traded, released or sent down, hence my response.

And believe it or not, it's often difficult to understand the meaning of what people post here because this sort of forum doesn't lend itself to precision.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 11, 2008, 10:45:51 AM
No way would I want him sent down to the minors where he can infect young players with his suckage and aching vadge. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 11, 2008, 10:49:25 AM
You can't send him to the minors, unless it's a rehab assignment. It's against union rules.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 11, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
I'm holding out hope that the Phils can talk Joe Cowley out of retirement.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 11, 2008, 07:06:45 PM
I just have to say that I've been down that road, and I've never had a more debilitating injury. 

Clearly you've never had a sore shoulder. 

No, but I was afraid that I had thrown out my elbow a couple of weeks ago... playing dodgeball with my middle schoolers.

Dammit, this getting old thing sucks.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 01:42:37 PM
Eaton's alive

After throwing from a bullpen mound, Adam Eaton heard the heckling fan.

"He asked me how much that session cost -- 20 grand?" said Eaton, the maligned front-runner for the Phillies' No. 5 starter job. "I said, 'I wish.' That was pretty tame."

So, too, apparently, was Eaton's latest 25-pitch tuneup. The herniated disk in his lower back didn't flare, and he's slated to start a minor league game Saturday. Eaton was bothered by a sore shoulder last season when he posted a 6.29 ERA and has been hampered by the back problem during two poor starts this spring.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 13, 2008, 03:59:33 PM
If Barack Obama is elected, Eaton will have to pay a lot more in taxes.  Another positive for Barry-O.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 04:51:08 PM
lenny dykstra is on wip right now giving the single best and funniest interview ive ever heard

hes murdering mitch williams so hilariously


when this hits the wip website you MUST listen


Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 04:53:06 PM
eskin - "how many hr's did mitch give up in that world series?"

lenny - "its not the hrs's its the counts"

eskin - "and mitch didnt manage the counts?"

lenny - "HE DIDNT KNOW THE RULES"
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 13, 2008, 08:09:35 PM
lenny interview

http://podcast.610wip.com/wip/963767.mp3 - part I


http://podcast.610wip.com/wip/963769.mp3 - part II



Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 13, 2008, 11:38:20 PM
Lohse to the Cardinals....1/$4.25M.  Not quite 5/$55M, huh Bora$
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 14, 2008, 08:23:03 AM
The Phillies are paying Eaton over $8 million and couldn't afford to pay an actually serviceable starter like Lohse $5 million?

Super.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 08:29:53 AM
exactly...the phillies are a joke...the 3-4 spots in their rotation are tenuous and they dont even have a #5 yet and they cant pay this guy a few million bucks...infuriating


Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 14, 2008, 08:32:49 AM
Gillick has been a train wreck to say the least:
Eaton
Barajas
Helms
Garcia

I'm sure the front office handcuffed him but if he's creative enough he could have made Lohse work.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 08:49:35 AM
lohse is 100% on the ownership....theres no creativity involved...you give the guy five million bucks for one year and call it a day
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 14, 2008, 09:18:45 AM
The phils made a multi-year offer more than the one he just signed back when the season ended. And Lohse turned it down, expecting the 5/55 deal somewhere else.

Obviously, he never got it.

Right or wrong, once the phils signed benson, they had no interest in dealing with Lohse. Also, while I am no fan of pat gillick, lets not pretend that lohse was anything more than a number 4.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 09:22:35 AM
lohse is a three on the phillies.....no chance he doesnt have a better year than kendrick
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 14, 2008, 09:33:57 AM
lohse is a three on the phillies.....no chance he doesnt have a better year than kendrick

Kendrick already had a better year last year than Lohse has ever had.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 09:37:52 AM
negative chief....but even if true it would be meaningless as kendrick hasnt even pictched one full year in the majors


lets wager...20 bucks...on who has the better season
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 14, 2008, 09:44:01 AM
Show me where kyle lohse beat these numbers in any given year...and its a bet.

10-4
3.87era
1.27whip
.280 baa

Here's where you will not find it: Lohse (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6751/career;_ylt=AnxjR3EJtoXLt0lvK5PljNyFCLcF) vs Kendrick (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8053/career;_ylt=AnxjR3EJtoXLt0lvK5PljNyFCLcF)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 14, 2008, 09:48:01 AM
Who cares if Lohse is better than Kendrick, or if he's a 3 or a 4?

Right now, the Phillies have 3 starters that are actually adequate, including Kendrick.  Benson is still not ready to pitch and may never be.  Eaton sucks more than anyone thought possible.

How could paying Lohse $5 million be a bad decision?  How can anyone even start to argue that the Phillies couldn't really use a guy like him?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 14, 2008, 09:50:20 AM
I'm not arguing that at all. I would have liked to have seen them bring him back...

Icee don't like facts though....
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 09:56:24 AM
first of all kendrick has had no good years as he hasnt even pitched a full season so to compare him to a guy thats been pitching in the majors for 8 years is laughable...but even with that id definitely take a couple of lohses minnesota years over kendricks half season
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 14, 2008, 10:07:17 AM
That's what I thought
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 10:09:56 AM
(http://www.crescentcitycoinclub.org/clipart_and_photos/20%20dollar%20bill%20new%20-%20front%20&%20back.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 14, 2008, 10:14:39 AM
If you think I am just going to blindly bet with you on something as vague as having a "better" year...you're delusional.

Set the parameters of what is considered a "better" year. Minimum number of starts? era? wins? what? Give me the parameters, and if i agree, fine. But as I already showed you, Lohse has had 8 chances to beat Kendrick, and has yet to do it.

I don't care if you would take his minnesota years, kendrick had better numbers.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 10:24:51 AM
no he didnt


and i think we all know what the better year is when all is said and done...and if its so close where we cant agree we can put up a poll and id be willing to let the rest of the board decide


its 20 bucks for god sakes
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 14, 2008, 10:27:14 AM
No
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 14, 2008, 10:40:17 AM
Everyone here seems to be assuming that Lohse would have taken the same deal from the Phillies.  I wouldn't bet on that at all.  He turned down a lucrative extension from them, he hated pitching at The Bank, and was expecting a windfall from another team.  I don't think he ever had any intention of re-signing with the Phillies.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 10:44:55 AM
at first boras thought he could get more than the phils were offering so of course he said no...after that the phils had no interest...but had they topped the cards one year offer he would have been theres...or had they gone to him even a couple weeks ago with their own i year offer of five mil i have no doubt they would have signed...it wasnt like lohse was in a strong position to be turning down people
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 14, 2008, 11:04:18 AM
You're whining about not re-signing a guy that gave up a grand slam to Kaz f'ing Matsui in a playoff game.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
no we are whining about a guy who would be their #3 pitcher at minimal money


and the matsui homer was all on that idiot manuel for bringing lohse in in that spot...hideous move
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 14, 2008, 11:11:46 AM
He was a jackass for not signing the extension in the first place.  He wasn't going to be successful in Philly anyway.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 11:14:09 AM
He wasn't going to be successful in Philly anyway.

why do you think they didnt sign him
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 14, 2008, 11:56:57 AM
Murphy
Quote
The report from Brad Lidge continues to be positive. We caught up with the Phillies closer a few minutes after he completed the next big step in his recovery from knee surgery -- facing live hitters -- and he said he thinks he could make his first Grapefruit League appearance of the spring by the middle of next week.
Lidge faced about 10 hitters and threw about 35 pitches, looking very sharp. He said he felt no pain in his knee, which he re-injured three weeks ago Saturday in a live batting practice session. Lidge had arthroscopic surgery Feb. 25 in Philadelphia.
"I honestly feel like I could go out in games right now and face guys but I know they obviously want to make sure I can work through drills and stuff and be able to field my position before I go out into a game," said Lidge, acquired in an offseason trade with Houston.
Assuming he builds up enough lateral strength to field, Lidge said he thinks he could pitch in a game Wednesday or Thursday. He'll definitely throw one more controlled practice session on Monday before working toward his first live appearance.
Today was the first time Lidge faced hitters since injuring the knee almost three weeks ago.
"It gets you back in the groove of game situations," Lidge said. "Throwing a bullpen, you can say that looked like a good pitch, but you donít really know until you see a hitter react to it. Thatís what you kind of need when you are facing hitters."

Zolecki

Quote
Friday, March 14, 2008
Lidge Takes Another Step

Brad Lidge's fastball sizzled toward home plate this morning at the Carpenter Complex.
Pete LaForest took a hack.
He made contact, but the ball jammed him so badly that the bat snapped in half. The barrel came to rest on the infield dirt between first and second base.
Only the handle remained.
Lidge threw live batting practice for the first time since he injured his right knee Feb. 23, which forced him to have arthroscopic surgery Feb. 25. Lidge is scheduled to throw in a simulated game Monday. He has a chance to pitch in a Grapefruit League game after that.
"It definitely felt good," he said. "I didn't feel my knee at all. It was good for me to face hitters, for sure. Most of my stuff felt pretty good. Mechanically, I'm probably not totally happy, but that should come really soon. Obviously, that's my first outing in a while. But the way the ball is coming out of my hand it feels really good. I think I should be able to catch up real fast.


DOOOOOOOOMMMMMMEDDDD!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 14, 2008, 12:42:07 PM
Agreed.  His recovery is going all too well.  Something bad is about to happen to him.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 12:44:20 PM
what o/u date of his first injury?

june 1st?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 14, 2008, 12:52:14 PM
just so you know, you're on the same side of the street with wing on this...that can't be good


for either of you
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 12:57:14 PM
just so you know, you're on the same side of the street with wing on this


every dog has his day
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 14, 2008, 01:05:10 PM
what o/u date of his first injury?

june 1st?

Let's be clear.  The knee setback from the first throw off a mound was injury 1.  We're already looking for injury two.

That said, I would definitely take the under.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 14, 2008, 01:07:03 PM
true...i should have clarified it and said regular season injury

imma get crazy and take the over...but i think youll definitely hear the words "will not be back until after the all star break" in regards to brad lidge this year
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 14, 2008, 01:13:27 PM
True, but an even more likely scenario is that he'll be demoted to setting up for Myers.


This is yet another reason the Phils are so lucky to have 5 guys that can start games.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on March 14, 2008, 09:48:11 PM
true...i should have clarified it and said regular season injury

imma get crazy and take the over

Not crazy at all.  He'll get hurt in the final spring training game and won't be back until mid-June, at which point he throws a perfect 9th in his first appearance and re-injures himself in his 2nd appearance that knocks him out for a month.  Cholly says he'll be out until after the AS Break and you win on both accounts. 
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2008, 11:00:05 PM
(http://www.crescentcitycoinclub.org/clipart_and_photos/20%20dollar%20bill%20new%20-%20front%20&%20back.jpg)

Is that my Brett Myers 15 win cash?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 15, 2008, 11:15:51 AM
ill go ten on that phreak if you want

but its gotta be >15

15 is a push

<15 i win
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2008, 11:32:34 AM
We already bet 20 on that.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 15, 2008, 11:46:56 AM
we did....ha

wow i gotta write these things down
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: LBIggle on March 15, 2008, 07:47:24 PM
eaton 3 IP  5 hits  2 k's...  howard smashed one. 

didn't that coming...  ::)  he'll be great for the rest of spring training,  and win the 5th spot.

then he'll blow until the all-star break then get shut down because his vadge exploded.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 16, 2008, 06:22:19 AM
Quote
The Phils had 10,178 fans at Bright House Field yesterday, a record attendance for a Phillies spring-training game.

I don't know if anyone else has been at that place but that's a ridiculous number of people to cram into the stadium.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 16, 2008, 07:48:04 AM
They must have had a load of people on the center field berm.

According to Wikipedia, it only hold 8,500 - but that probably doesn't include the berm.  I wouldn't want to sit there with 1,600 other people, though.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 16, 2008, 07:54:32 AM
They probably don't want to sit with you, either.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 16, 2008, 08:00:44 AM
They probably don't want to sit with you, either.

Words hurt you know...  :'(
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 16, 2008, 08:24:35 AM
only if you let them Geo
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 16, 2008, 10:48:17 AM
just say the Lenny segment on Real Sports, so awesome.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2008, 11:59:57 AM
Know what else would be awesome? If  this team sort of pretended like they wanted to win some games, exhibition or not.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 16, 2008, 01:05:16 PM
Not you too, Phreak.

Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 16, 2008, 01:15:26 PM
When Uncle Cholly starts chiming in on the team being too lackadaisacal you better damn well believe they need to tighten up
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 16, 2008, 01:33:54 PM
Nonsense.

They haven't even played an entire game together as a squad yet.  Results don't mean shtein in these games.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 16, 2008, 01:36:10 PM
results don't mean shtein...but Charlie has been making comments about the team being too loose and not taking things seriously, in fact Shane Victorino got pulled into his office the other day
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 16, 2008, 01:44:22 PM
Everyone complained that they were too tight as a group, that they held on too tight, etc.  Now they're playing it fast and loose, IN THE PRESEASON, and they're catching hell over it?  From a bumpkin like Uncle Douchey of all people?

Please.

Also - so he pulled Victorino in.  Big deal.  He's about seventh in terms of importance in the lineup and he's known as a clown.  What, now he's supposed to change his personality and become Mr. Serious all of a sudden?

People are reading way too much into this.  It's spring training and most of these guys have been cooped up in Clearwater for a month now.  They're itching to get at it in games that count.  It's basically the same team that won last year.  Does anyone really believe they're going to play as poorly as their spring training record would seem to indicate?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 16, 2008, 01:49:36 PM
ha, Victorino is seventh in terms as importance in the lineup

that's why he's going to bat 2nd, that super logic


Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 16, 2008, 01:55:17 PM
Rollins, Utley, Howard, Burrell, Feliz & the platoon twins are more important in terms of run production.

The reason he bats second in the lineup is because of his speed.  If Rollins doesn't get on base, then he might, but let's not anoint him as a legitimate #2 hitter, because he isn't.  He's a .275 singles hitter who doesn't walk nearly enough with no power to speak of.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 16, 2008, 01:57:47 PM
yeah, he has speed, so he steals bases, that means he has production value.  Feliz is here for defense first and offense second, he's not more important to the lineup than Victorino, not even close, same goes for the RF platoon.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 16, 2008, 01:59:45 PM
results don't mean shtein...but Charlie has been making comments about the team being too loose and not taking things seriously, in fact Shane Victorino got pulled into his office the other day

yup, I wasn't even thinking about their win/loss record...if freakin Cholly of all people says the team is too loose its too damn loose.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 16, 2008, 02:02:16 PM
yeah, he has speed, so he steals bases, that means he has production value.  Feliz is here for defense first and offense second, he's not more important to the lineup than Victorino, not even close, same goes for the RF platoon.

Mo, I didn't say he doesn't have value.  He does.  He is what he is, though.  The Phillies could just as easily bat him seventh, and they would if they had a better hitter to put in that 2 hole.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 16, 2008, 02:06:35 PM
i hope an alligator bites your head off
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 16, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
i hope an alligator bites your head off
I'd prefer hands, then Rome would have a hard time golfing and typing.  Its all in the Hips
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: phattymatty on March 16, 2008, 02:51:56 PM
http://deadspin.com/367408/baseball-season-preview-philadelphia-phillies (http://deadspin.com/367408/baseball-season-preview-philadelphia-phillies)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2008, 03:35:20 PM
I'm not so much concerned with W-L's in the spring Rome, because I know that alot of younger guys play and yadda, yadda yadda. But I am concerned with reading about Charlie saying they miss Rowand's leadership, him having to dig in Victorino's ass and then seeing them not even putting up numbers in these games.

Howard and Ruiz seem ready, but everyone else looks like they are struggling. We are 2 weeks away from the start of the season and its time for the to flip the switch from clowns to play ball.

Stop the money bitching (King Cole), stop the talking and start doing something to back up the talking.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 03:38:24 PM
phillies will be under 500 this year...book it
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2008, 03:39:20 PM
Bet it?

Another 20?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 03:41:24 PM
im not gonna bet it without odds...because after all they were a playoff team last year but they are gonna implode this year...their pitching is horrendous..i cant believe kyle kendrick is thier #3 guy
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2008, 03:44:34 PM
Myers goes 7 strong today (5 hits 2R 3K 0BB) and has a spring ERA of 1.64.

Spring averages;

Rollins - .158
Victorino - .231
Utley - .194
Choke Dawg - .375
Werth - .167
Jenkins - .136
Dobbs .286
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2008, 03:47:27 PM
im not gonna bet it without odds...because after all they were a playoff team last year but they are gonna implode this year...their pitching is horrendous..i cant believe kyle kendrick is thier #3 guy

What odds do you want?

The pitching, as a whole, is not that bad. At least not as bad as you make it out to be. Kendrick is a #3 guy anywhere, on this team or any team. Hell, on most teams he would be a #2 guy. Pitching is so scarce its not funny. Unless you are a rare team like Boston who is just flat out loaded.

The BP isnt bad either, assuming they stay healthy. Lidge, Romero, Gordon, Madson = pretty solid.

The Mets pitching is worse even with Johan.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 03:50:21 PM
5 to 1

ill put up 10 you put up 50
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 16, 2008, 03:52:35 PM
phillies will be under 500 this year...book it

I'm thinking the 86-90 wins range but I do agree the starting pitching outside of Myers and Hamels is scary
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2008, 03:53:32 PM
5 to 1

ill put up 10 you put up 50

Nope.

3-1
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 03:56:36 PM
deal

writing it down as we type
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 16, 2008, 03:59:29 PM
So I put up 30, you put up 10 on them being over .500 for the season. Just for record keeping purposes...
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 04:01:49 PM
yes sir
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 16, 2008, 04:28:38 PM
Don't be a farging Hoyda, IGY.  Bet like a man, not like a mouse.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 16, 2008, 04:56:43 PM
Kendrick will probably suck and isn't a #3 pitcher....Myers won't reach 15 wins...The team isn't that good, they're going to implode....


But i want 3 to 1 odds.

 :)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 16, 2008, 05:05:11 PM
Igy, so your idea of "book it" is whining for odds?  Way to stick by your guns there.

Personally, I see the Phils right around 85 wins.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 05:18:25 PM
lol @ people mouthing about other peoples bets

put up the loot or shut up

weaksauce
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 16, 2008, 06:33:34 PM
lol @ people mouthing about other peoples bets

put up the loot or shut up

weaksauce

I don't gamble.  :D

What is weaksauce, though, is coming on strong like "book it!"   Then, when someone calls you on it, backtracking behnid "I want odds!  They were a playoff team last year!  Wah wah wah!"

You were backpedaling there, pure and simple.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 16, 2008, 06:40:27 PM
Kendrick will probably suck and isn't a #3 pitcher....Myers won't reach 15 wins...The team isn't that good, they're going to implode....


But i want 3 to 1 odds.

 :)
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 06:58:07 PM
im basically clueless about all things sports and wouldnt dare make a bet for i would most certainly lose it
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 16, 2008, 07:07:36 PM
yo havas stop hatin' and enjoy a little bit, come now buddy.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 07:08:58 PM
im just living the dream
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 16, 2008, 07:21:46 PM
youre a negative nancy. the phils are nl east champs and the mets have the trashiest fans in the us. no worries, friend.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 16, 2008, 07:28:26 PM
Haha IGY you're about as clueless as you can get.


And yes, I don't gamble. Ever....says the poker player.


I'll take you up on the same bet as Phreak about Brett Myers if your willing...same rules and stipulations. Myers has to stay in the starting 5 for the entire year.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 07:32:25 PM
id cut my balls off before i ever had anything to do with you
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 16, 2008, 07:38:49 PM
youre a negative nancy.


sixers are probably the best team to watch in all of sports right now...how gutty can you get...it starts with the gawd mo cheeks...a friggin philly legend...

btw willie is gonna be a mini microwave in this league...super valuable on a championship team...which should happen in the next 3-5 years for this team


Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 16, 2008, 07:40:41 PM
hater
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 17, 2008, 01:38:37 PM
The bums are playing Cleveland on CSN right now, Chad Durbin's on the mound. Utley hit a shot to right that got knocked down by the wind...wound up being a triple.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 17, 2008, 01:58:32 PM
when does kendrick get raked again...seems like he hasnt pitched in two weeks
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 17, 2008, 02:30:52 PM
He's due for a random solid outing to make the Kendrick lovers declare victory, actually.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 17, 2008, 02:41:33 PM
He's due for a random solid outing to make the Kendrick lovers declare victory, actually.

He had 16 random solid outtings to his typical 4 games of crap last season.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 17, 2008, 02:43:32 PM
Link (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080317&content_id=2432489&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi)

Quote
Mailbag: Kendrick's spring a concern?
Beat reporter Ken Mandel answers Phillies fans' questions
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com 

In three Grapefruit League starts, Kyle Kendrick is 0-2 with a 16.43 ERA. (Miles Kennedy/Phillies)
Phillies Headlines
Is there any cause for concern with how Kyle Kendrick has pitched this spring? Is it a case of tweaking and fine-tuning some of his pitches, or have opponents figured him out?
-- Ron A., Jacksonville, Fla.
Kendrick arrived in camp with a goal of developing a changeup and wasn't throwing as many of his sinkers as a result. Many pitchers work on specific things in Spring Training, and they can get hit when a batter knows it's coming. Also, a pitcher might throw, say a changeup, in a count where he might throw a different pitch, because that's the day's focus. Kendrick's next three outings are more important than the previous three, because he'll be using his full repertoire and be more focused on getting outs.

Also, to address the number of questions about whether Kendrick should worry about his spot in the Phillies rotation, here's what manager Charlie Manuel said on the topic earlier this week:

"Kyle doesn't have to prove anything to me. He came up and went 10-4, and the way he pitched, it will take more than a bad spring for him to lose his job. Poise was his big thing last year, and his confidence, and he shouldn't let anything get him down. I'm the manager, and I like what he did for us. He's our fourth starter."

Should the Phillies be worried about playing poorly in preseason?
-- Matt L., Philadelphia

Manuel is upset by his team's performance, specifically with what he called a "too cool" approach by some of players, and he's likely to call a team meeting soon (if he hasn't already) to remind his team that this type of intensity level won't get it done in the regular season. That said, players have long said that it's hard to get up for Spring Training games, which serve as nothing more than a way to prepare for a 162-game season. They understand the manager's frustration, but largely aren't worried.

Why has little been said about Chris Coste's book? I tried to buy a copy last week and was told that it wouldn't be available until April 18.
-- Stuart L., Mt. Pleasant Mills, Pa.

Coste's book has been available for pre-order on Amazon.com and Barnesandnoble.com for a few weeks, and it's national release is scheduled for Tuesday. There's been plenty written about his long journey to the Major Leagues, and he said he's very happy with how the book turned out.

We hear about all the young pitching, Joe Savery, Josh Outman, Carlos Carrasco, Scott Mathieson and Kyle Drabek. What about Andrew Carpenter? He wasn't in big league camp. What's the deal with him? Are the Phillies still high on him?
-- Mike P., Jonestown, Pa.


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It has been written more than once this spring that Carpenter is this year's Kendrick, a pitcher no one heard of in Spring Training who could make an impact at some point this season. Many things had to go wrong for Kendrick to emerge, and that would be the same scenario for Carpenter. His repertoire is similar, as he relies on a ground balls via the sinker.

What is the scouting report on C.J. Henry? He was supposed to be the key piece in the Bobby Abreu deal and has since switched from shortstop to outfield.
-- Ben C., Princeton, N.J.

Henry never got going with the Phillies and was considering pursuing a football career, a la Drew Henson. He's no longer in the organization. While Philadelphia would've have liked to see more of a return from the other players received from the Yankees -- Matt Smith, Carlos Monasterios and Jesus Sanchez -- that deal served as a way to save a large chunk of salary.

Who is slated to be the Opening Day first-base coach, in place of Davey Lopes?
-- Ron J., Conshohocken, Pa.

Former outfielder Jerry Martin will be the first-base coach until Lopes returns, which could be sometime in May.

What song will Brad Lidge come out to? I think he should come out to "Wild Thing," like Charlie Sheen did as Rick Vaughn in "Major League." I'm surprised no one has done that yet.
-- Matthew N., St. Johnsville, N.Y.

Lidge said recently that he's leaning toward Drowning Pool's "Soldiers" over another of their songs, "Bodies." I'm not hip enough to be familiar with either song, but I heard them thanks to YouTube. "Soldiers" has sirens in the beginning, and could sound cool if it were blaring from the Citizens Bank Park speakers.

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Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 17, 2008, 04:39:44 PM
comes out tomorrow:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FfQUnIZVL._SS500_.jpg)




oh yeah...Benson had a setback
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 17, 2008, 05:01:58 PM
Eaton's the #4 starter.  Nice.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 17, 2008, 05:08:46 PM
Myers, Hamels, Kendrick, Moyer, Eaton


nice math
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 17, 2008, 06:11:10 PM
Eaton's the #4 starter.  Nice.

You should stick to not knowing things about topics you know a little more about, and not just basing your entire knowledge of a topic on what you read in these threads.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 17, 2008, 07:43:47 PM
Sorry, I was factoring in Myers getting moved back to the pen or Hamels injuring his back.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 17, 2008, 11:21:35 PM
Hamels injuring his back.

 ???
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 18, 2008, 06:05:38 AM
It's gonna happen.  Watch.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 18, 2008, 08:08:09 AM
listen to wing and stop talking about baseball
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 18, 2008, 08:21:17 AM
Just wait and see, bub.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 19, 2008, 10:01:21 AM
CSN showed the locker room's new pets....two marmosets that Anna Benson bought
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 19, 2008, 10:02:46 AM
The locker room pets should be her sweater puppies.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 19, 2008, 10:40:42 AM
The locker room pets should be her sweater puppies.

Give her time. They will be.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 19, 2008, 10:47:58 AM
no chance jayson werth hasnt already banged her
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 19, 2008, 10:50:19 AM
Jayson Werth can get anyone he wants.

If Pat Burrell could go to a bar and bang anyone....and same with David Bell (who apparently was a bigger manwhore than Pat Burrell)...Werth could bang everyone AND their mothers'.

He's 10 times the man than either of the 2 named above.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 19, 2008, 10:53:11 AM
Does MURP have a Werth jersey?  Just asking.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 19, 2008, 10:54:07 AM
LOL

no.

I have my own brain, thanks.

And yes, sure...Werth is a fine piece of ass.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 19, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
(http://media.philly.com/images/300*426/anna_benson_3_450.jpg)

So many targets there to shoot at...
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 19, 2008, 11:25:54 AM
I like a challenge.  I'll go for her left eye (the one that's slightly more shut).
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 19, 2008, 01:25:10 PM
David Bell? Free Hoyda? What.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 20, 2008, 02:21:14 PM
the nationals released john patterson...hes had a terrible spring but hes someone they absolutely need to take a look at...if not straight out attempt to sign
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 20, 2008, 02:32:39 PM
Capable starter.  Yes.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 20, 2008, 02:34:44 PM
hes an injury waiting to happen but when healthy hes very capable...they have to at least take a serious look...im wondering if hes just lost it....like his velocity is gone because of his past arm troubles
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 20, 2008, 02:35:56 PM
The Phillies haven't shyed away from those types of guys in the past.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 20, 2008, 02:40:51 PM
the nationals released john patterson...hes had a terrible spring but hes someone they absolutely need to take a look at...if not straight out attempt to sign

Him and Benson can share a hospital room together.

He's not only had a terrible spring, he's had a terrible decade.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 20, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
and if healthy hed still be better than kendrick
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 20, 2008, 02:54:02 PM
Quote
And here we go again
With all the things we said
And not a minute spent
To think that we'd regret
So we just take it back,
These words and hold our breath
Forget the things we swore we meant
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 20, 2008, 03:16:55 PM
and if healthy hed still be better than kendrick

He's been healthy 1 season....ever....
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 20, 2008, 06:28:38 PM
Kendrick accidentally pitched 5 scoreless innings today. Hit the panic button!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 20, 2008, 06:31:44 PM
and Lidge threw a scoreless inning....DOOOOOOOOMMED
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 20, 2008, 06:51:00 PM
Get Patterson!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2008, 07:43:06 PM
Kendrick accidentally pitched 5 scoreless innings today. Hit the panic button!

Impossible. No way he did that because he sucks and is no better than a 5th starter for the Royals or Pirates!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 20, 2008, 07:48:40 PM
The Pirates couldn't hit me.  The Phillies played at home so the Pirates didn't even have their "starters" in Clearwater today.  Let's not start beating off furiously over Kendrick just yet.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2008, 07:52:11 PM
Not furious, just a little rub 'n tug.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2008, 09:30:11 AM
Quote
Had lunch before yesterday's game with a bunch of scouts. One, an American League scout who I've known for several years, said he thinks the Phillies were shrewd to sign Pedro Feliz to a two-year, $8.5 million contract. After watching him a lot last season with the Giants, the scout said Feliz will be a "great short-term signing" and expects him to drive in a lot of runs batting behind Chase Utley, Ryan Howard and Pat Burrell in the Phillies' lineup.

By the way, in an informal poll of about five scouts, none think the Phillies have enough pitching to defend their NL East title.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2008, 11:18:27 AM
Quote
By the way, in an informal poll of about five scouts, none think the Phillies have enough pitching to defend their NL East title.

I can't imagine anyone saying they do, scout or no.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2008, 04:41:35 PM
lidge out until at least april 5....second game of the second series
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 24, 2008, 04:49:37 PM
This is completely expected and there is no reason for any concern.

NONE!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2008, 04:50:17 PM
hey dummy, it's to build up his arm, it has nothing to do with his knee
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 24, 2008, 04:52:24 PM
NO CONCERN FOR YOU!

NONE!
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2008, 04:54:51 PM
my only concern is having to watch tom gordon blow a save in the opener
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 24, 2008, 08:54:14 PM
Did they ever say what was wrong with Gordon yesterday? He whinced over in pain but it looked like he was having a stroke.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 24, 2008, 09:14:25 PM
He got a sneak preview of the latest episode of Dancing With The Stars.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 25, 2008, 02:49:46 PM
kendrick beaten like he stole something again today

5 earned in five innings on TEN hits
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 25, 2008, 02:56:42 PM
season over
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 25, 2008, 04:51:44 PM
kendrick sucks. these games count.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 25, 2008, 05:53:46 PM
kendrick beaten like he stole something again today

5 earned in five innings on TEN hits

thanks for being the howard eskin of this board
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2008, 09:06:31 PM
I want some more of your money, IGY...

Let's make a Kendrick bet.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 25, 2008, 09:09:16 PM
how many wins you have him down for
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 26, 2008, 06:10:44 AM
26.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 26, 2008, 08:24:14 AM
Thousand.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 26, 2008, 08:55:22 AM
I'd put the over/under at 10.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 08:57:48 AM
I'd put the over/under at 10.


he had ten last year in a half a season

12 is the number
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 26, 2008, 08:58:34 AM
Hell, as long as he stays healthy, Kendrick could have 12 wins and go something like 12-15.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2008, 09:09:49 AM
I'd put the over/under at 10.


he had ten last year in a half a season

12 is the number

But that was a fluke right? Surely if you think it was and that he sucks you should lay on the 10 number
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 09:12:29 AM
and surely if you think he doesnt you should be thinking like 15+ wins in a full season if he got 10 in a half season...

hell if hes half as good as last year he ends up with ten this season
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 26, 2008, 09:18:42 AM
Eaton won 10 last year.

I am still waiting for you to agree to my terms on the Lohse/Kendrick bet. But you wont, since that would be based on facts.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 09:41:22 AM
eaton sucks tho kendrick is a young kid who is only gonna get better


i already agreed to terms...whoever has the overall better year...it should be clear enough where we can agree but if it isnt im willing to allow a panel of baseball people phreak sun and third person to be determined vote on who had the better season
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 26, 2008, 09:46:24 AM
Monday can't get here soon enough.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 26, 2008, 09:51:50 AM
just go by certain stat categories...because i sure as hell aren't going to see many Kyle Loshe games


wins isn't a great indicator of a pitchers year....ERA, WHIP, H/IP, etc....establish certain stat categories and whichever pitcher wins the most stat categories wins the bet
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 26, 2008, 09:58:24 AM
My proposal was the better 3 of the 4 categories (a 2-2 split is a wash)

ERA
WHIP
Record (by winning percentage)
BAA

Contingent on a minimum of 25 starts. 

A demotion to the minors, or an outright release forfeits the bet and you lose.

$50
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SunMo on March 26, 2008, 10:02:50 AM
there you go...seems like a good way to go
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 26, 2008, 10:03:08 AM
If you don't use VORP, the bet is meaningless.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 10:10:02 AM
you cant equally weigh stat categories like this is yahoo...its real baseball...if kendrick wins 17 games cause the phillies mash the ball but closely loses the other three categories while lohse wins 11 games i would say kendrick had the better year

anyway you are gaying up a bet to unheard of nerdian proportions...i dont need this...

phreak help me
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 26, 2008, 01:04:35 PM
you cant equally weigh stat categories like this is yahoo...its real baseball...if kendrick wins 17 games cause the phillies mash the ball but closely loses the other three categories while lohse wins 11 games i would say kendrick had the better year

anyway you are gaying up a bet to unheard of nerdian proportions...i dont need this...

phreak help me

Those are the four most relevant stat categories on measuring a pitcher.

If you think Lohse will top Kendrick in 3 of 4...which you have stated so adamently... then you would have no problem with this bet.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 01:08:40 PM
im gonna have to pass on this one
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 26, 2008, 01:14:03 PM
I am not surprised.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 03:16:07 PM
myers was golden again today

5 shutout innings
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 26, 2008, 03:17:01 PM
He's perfectly positioned to become the closer again in a couple of months.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 26, 2008, 09:09:50 PM
myers was golden again today

5 shutout innings

Cha-ching! Money in the bank

As for the Kendrick bet, you guys went and got all Bill James up in here while I was at work. However, Wing's idea is pretty good. Because it removes the argument of him winning games simply because the Phils offense is pimp. However I am not interested in Lohse vs. Kendrick...

Over/under 10 wins for Kendrick - 10 was his number last year. Either he will be better or he will be worse. If he's worse, he won't survive the 5 innings needed to get wins because they are crushing. Or he could be a stud and the bullpen could blow it for my end of the deal.

I've got the over for $10.

Myers bet - $10
Kendrick bet (if you accept) $10

What was the other one we did where I put up $30?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 09:31:30 PM
i bet 10 the phils would be .500 or under vs 30 bucks for you that they would be over .500

im not taking the kendrick bet when he got that amount of wins in a half season last year...now you want me to take the same number in a full season...not happening
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 26, 2008, 09:38:01 PM
I've seen you equate Kendrick to a #5.  A #5 should expect about 10 wins, if all goes to chalk.

Kendrick is going into his sophomore season, where the league has made adjiustments to him.  You've talked about his flyball/groundball ratio and how that is not condusive to success at CBP.

He also had 20 starts - about 2/3 of a season (he had 5, maybe 6 starts before the All-Star break).  I'd be interested to see his total innings between the minors and majors last season.

With all I see, I think 10 wins is a reasonable over/under.  What would you make it?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 26, 2008, 09:39:06 PM
12
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 26, 2008, 10:31:46 PM
my bet wasnt number of wins...it was winning percentage. I wouldnt want the winner of the bet to get it on a 10-15 record vs a 9-5 record.

but icee is all about the weak sauce
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 09:12:30 AM
i make bets like i breathe

somehow within two posts im able to wager up with just about the entire board and have multiple bets with people but in three days i still cant agree on one with you....think about it

go make a bet on a pitchers WHIP with someone else
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 27, 2008, 09:44:00 AM
You make bets like a chick.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 09:59:42 AM
chicks dont bet no sense maker
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 27, 2008, 10:04:55 AM
Thank you for making my point.

A man says, "I'll bet you $50 I make this shot."  A chick says, "I'll bet you $50 that I make this shot, but only if the rotation on the ball is perfect, no one makes any noise during the shot, and only if you close your eyes and count silently to three while wishing me good thoughts."

And by "chick" I don't mean a woman either.  I know plenty of women who bet like men.  You, on the other hand, bet like a sissy.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 27, 2008, 10:06:06 AM
Gambling is illegal at Bushwood sir and I never slice
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 10:09:19 AM
Thank you for making my point.

A man says, "I'll bet you $50 I make this shot."  A chick says, "I'll bet you $50 that I make this shot, but only if the rotation on the ball is perfect, no one makes any noise during the shot, and only if you close your eyes and count silently to three while wishing me good thoughts."

And by "chick" I don't mean a woman either.  I know plenty of women who bet like men.  You, on the other hand, bet like a sissy.


right and a chick would say lets bet on a pitchers WHIP
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 03:11:26 PM
eaton lit up like a christmas tree  11 hits 7 runs in four plus


hamels and myers better win 25 games each...because moyer - kendrick - eaton is a travesty
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyGirl on March 27, 2008, 03:23:34 PM
Why is Moyer a travesty?

The only travesty on this team is that Eaton is there. He's a farging disgrace.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 03:26:39 PM
moyer physically cant pitch more than 5 innings anymore and he carrys a +5 era...hell be lucky to win ten games this year


but im not saying he specifically is a travesty...the 3-4-5 combo of those guys is a travesty
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 27, 2008, 04:54:51 PM
The receivers pitching is fine.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 27, 2008, 04:58:17 PM
Better 3-4-5?

Avant/Baskett/GLew
Kendrick/Moyer/Eaton
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 04:58:51 PM
The receivers pitching is fine.


ha
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 27, 2008, 05:00:49 PM
Better 3-4-5?

Avant/Baskett/GLew
Kendrick/Moyer/Eaton

AIDS/SARS/EBOLA
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 27, 2008, 05:38:09 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 27, 2008, 05:49:52 PM
it wouldnt be fun unless there was someone as bad as eaton on this team. admit it.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2008, 07:51:47 PM
I'd rather see them throw Carrasco out there and see what he can do rather than force feed Eaton to us simply because he has a goddamn 8M salary.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Rome on March 27, 2008, 07:54:13 PM
They shoot horses, right?  Why not just shoot Eaton and put him (and us) out of our misery?
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2008, 08:02:49 PM
Because Monty and his gang of fargbags are forcing Gillick to carry him because of his salary. Charlie has even said that he has to pitch Eaton because of his price tag, which means the ownership just won't cut bait and eat his salary.

Nevermind the fact that they need a good pitcher, just keep throwing him out there. Dumbasses.

I hope he gets hurt.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 08:11:20 PM
he already is hurt...no chance he doesnt have shoulder surgery before the all star break
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 27, 2008, 08:13:49 PM
"Dave from Delaware" was on The Show (XM Radio) complaining that the Phils were going to keep Wes Helms because of his astronomical $2.something salary. 

I was practically yelling at my radio, "What about Eaton, you freaking moron."
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 27, 2008, 08:15:38 PM
you sure it wasnt munson from delaware
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 27, 2008, 08:20:51 PM
I think munsons real name is Dave. No lie.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 27, 2008, 08:25:06 PM
"Dave from Delaware" was on The Show (XM Radio) complaining that the Phils were going to keep Wes Helms because of his astronomical $2.something salary. 

I was practically yelling at my radio, "What about Eaton, you freaking moron."

Goddamn, that guy must call every single radio station in the US.

He'd call WIP all the time

I'd flip to WFAN during a WIP commercial and there'd be Dave from Delaware talking with Somers on the Fan.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: MDS on March 27, 2008, 08:38:41 PM
you all should be shot for listening to sports talk radio.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Munson on March 27, 2008, 08:39:56 PM
Haha yes, my real name is Dave.

No, I don't call sports talk radio shows. I barely listen to the radio.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 12:00:06 PM
so on wip they are killing jeff stone about how dumb he was....ike reese proceeds to call him a "dumb ass"...so about a half hour later out of the blue his brother calls up and is pissed at ike

anyway he confirms that the tv and shrimp cocktail stories are 100% truth...but that the moon story isnt

anway his brother was a really cool guy and was nice about it and it was actually pretty sad how he was having to defend his brother...ike eventually apologized and stones brother accepted and all was well in the world

btw he also said one of the main reasons he didnt succeed in philly was john felske and how he benched him for weeks at a time after every mistake he made

it was pretty surreal and fascinating all at once...this is why everyone should listen to wip


fyi- jeff currently lives in missouri and works on his farm
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 12:04:01 PM
oh for the youngins and non philie fans who may not know the infamous jeff stone stories


shrimp cocktail - true

jeff at a restaurant in center city with a couple players one of whom orders a shrimp cocktail...jeff is then asked if hed like one to which he responds "i dont drink"


television - true

jeff is in venezualua playign winter ball one year and buys a tv for his apartment...upon the completion of the season jeff returns home to the states and elaves the tv...when asked why he responds "cause it only go spanish channels"


moon - false (tho after the first two stories does it really matter?)

supposedly jeff asked a teammate in philly once "if the moon here was the same moon as in missouri"
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 28, 2008, 12:04:30 PM


anyway he confirms that the tv and shrimp cocktail stories are 100% truth...but that the moon story isnt

Care to elaborate? Never heard those stories.

Always thought Stone would become a player similar to Vince Coleman. Too bad the mid to late 80's bums were such a mess.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 12:05:22 PM
sorry see above
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 28, 2008, 12:21:24 PM
Sounds riveting.

He was a dumbass though.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 12:24:43 PM
youll have to excuse me im with philly sports like sd is with star wars...so this kind of trivial stuff fascinates me
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 28, 2008, 12:54:38 PM
youll have to excuse me im with philly sports like sd is with star wars...so this kind of trivial stuff fascinates me

I'm much more trivial with philly sports than I am with star wars...those stories rang a bell
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: Wingspan on March 28, 2008, 12:57:18 PM
youll have to excuse me im with philly sports like sd is with star wars...so this kind of trivial stuff fascinates me

I know the stories...but I still don't care about Jeff Stone's brother.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 01:02:00 PM
pretty sure no one said you didnt know the stories
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 28, 2008, 08:44:24 PM
youll have to excuse me im with philly sports like sd is with star wars...so this kind of trivial stuff fascinates me

Me too. I love hearing stories like that, behind the scenes stuff and whatnot.

But to say everyone should listen to WIP because out of the blue a guy whose brother played for the Phillies 20+ years ago called in and put Ike on blast for calling his brother a dumbass is a little out there.

Either way, I don't miss WIP at all. When I got back to PA in 2003 that station was on 24x7, but I just grew tired of the garbage,
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 28, 2008, 10:00:59 PM
even if he didnt call in you get jeff stone talk...aint getting that anywhere else out side of my basement at 3am on a saturday morning...and yes id be talking to myself
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 29, 2008, 07:37:01 AM
I have Stone's rookie card and it might even be autographed. Its yours.
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on March 29, 2008, 06:32:35 PM
i have his rookie card....but if yours is autographed id love it...thanks g
Title: Re: 2008 Phillies Spring Training Thread
Post by: BigEd76 on March 30, 2008, 02:04:01 PM
Phils/IronPigs on CW57 if anyone wants to check out the new stadium in Allentown