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Title: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Munson on October 30, 2018, 01:47:42 PM
3rd round pick per Shefty
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: smeags on October 30, 2018, 01:49:58 PM
gigity
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: QB Eagles on October 30, 2018, 01:50:20 PM
Howie duz it
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: MDS on October 30, 2018, 01:58:08 PM
i dont get this

they need an outside speed deep threat and they got....a slot receiver in the last year of his deal and had to give up a 3rd

Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2018, 02:02:22 PM
yeah its just a terrible overpay

Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Munson on October 30, 2018, 02:04:55 PM
Yeah I’m not sure why they got a possession guy, they needed someone to open up the top of the D...they’ve got enough possession guys between Ertz and Agholor and Matthews and etc
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: MDS on October 30, 2018, 02:12:46 PM
so if tate walks they will get a comp pick back, which im guessing will be like a 5th or 6th in 2020

still dont give up the 3rd, which will likely be a top 100 pick

the only positives i can think
-tate is a crazy person and will be fun to see him punk fools
-locker room will like this
-prevents them from taking shelton gibson jr in 19 draft
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: AO1 on October 30, 2018, 02:16:49 PM
Tate's a damn good receiver. He is more of a possession receiver but he has underrated speed and knows how to find gaps in the defense. For a 3rd...ehhhhh. A 5th I would say is a good deal, a 4th I could deal with...but a 3rd is a steep price.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on October 30, 2018, 02:41:33 PM
Price is steep but they should get a fourth or fifth back as a comp pick assuming he walks.

He’s a good WR but I’m not sure about the fit.  Figured they’d target a deep threat.  His skill set overlaps with who they have.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2018, 02:42:11 PM
They made an offer to Denver for Thomas too
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on October 30, 2018, 02:42:29 PM
Negative reactions here?

Stunned.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2018, 02:46:07 PM
Negative reactions here?

Stunned.

second most surprising reaction of the day right behind:

you catching feelings because people arent blowing the eagles
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: hunt on October 30, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
tate is a yac monster...the eagles don't have another player like him.   :yay
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2018, 03:01:22 PM
tate is a yac monster...the eagles don't have another player like him.   :yay

romeys paypal is on the way
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: smeags on October 30, 2018, 03:09:01 PM
the lions didn't hesiTate when they heard the eagle's offer.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on October 30, 2018, 03:09:53 PM
He’s a very good receiver.  They gave up a 3.  If they don’t re-sign him they’ll probably get back a 4 if not higher.  So, basically, they get a minimum of 8 games for a guy for the difference between a third & fourth round pick. 

Yes. We should definitely be upset. 


Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: AO1 on October 30, 2018, 03:12:55 PM

NFL Research
 ✔  @NFLResearch 

New #Eagles WR Golden Tate has:

• the most yards after catch (2,736) in the NFL since 2014

• led all WRs in yards after catch in 3 of last 4 full seasons

• the 2nd-most 3rd down receptions (124) in the NFL since 2014@showtimetate15


2:56 PM - Oct 30, 2018
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: smeags on October 30, 2018, 03:25:12 PM
got my popcorn.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: QB Eagles on October 30, 2018, 03:27:11 PM
Thinking must be that Wallace/Hollins can be the stretch if/when they ever come back, the priority is just getting weapons in general out there.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Munson on October 30, 2018, 03:38:47 PM
the lions didn't hesiTate when they heard the eagle's offer.

It was a Golden opportunity for both teams.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: AO1 on October 30, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
the lions didn't hesiTate when they heard the eagle's offer.

It was a Golden opportunity for both teams.

Sucks you’re banned, you should see the discussion on TATE
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: General_Failure on October 30, 2018, 03:51:41 PM
By god, they're going to make those screen passes work even if it kills them.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Munson on October 30, 2018, 03:52:56 PM
the lions didn't hesiTate when they heard the eagle's offer.

It was a Golden opportunity for both teams.

Sucks you’re banned, you should see the discussion on TATE

lol I can only imagine. I got to the point where I was barely even lurking in TATE anymore last season. Had to check in when they were making their run last year of course, and then I think I spent the least amount of time there after the SB that I ever have. Some of that probably had to do with finally winning and being satisfied I'm sure.


I heard about the BS fake news reason being given for my banning ::) They even had a poster from here pretend he "saw something" somewhere else, god knows where :-D. I was able to get a message to Ed over there about it, but I'm IP banned so can't really check in to see if anything came of it.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: General_Failure on October 30, 2018, 04:02:27 PM
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1057337245823160321
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on October 30, 2018, 04:09:02 PM
By god, they're going to make those screen passes work even if it kills them.

This is exactly the thought I had when I saw the headline on ESPN.  Pretty funny. 
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2018, 05:50:23 PM
He’s a very good receiver.  They gave up a 3.  If they don’t re-sign him they’ll probably get back a 4 if not higher.  So, basically, they get a minimum of 8 games for a guy for the difference between a third & fourth round pick. 

Yes. We should definitely be upset.

theres not a chance its a 3 and depending on what the eagles do in free agency there might not be a comp pick at all

also if they get a comp pick its not until 2020...so while not a reason alone not to do it you do lose a year on the pick you traded

the 8 months is irrelevant unless they at least make the super bowl and tate is a factor in why they made it

we can argue all day about the trade and you can think its the greatest trade ever....but the idea that you are salty because some people think its an overpay is laughable
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on October 30, 2018, 06:13:02 PM
If there’s no chance it’s a three, why is every article being written about this saying Detroit would likely get a three as compensation?

Also - it’s a good trade at a fair price.  Nothing more.  Stop with the hysterics, IGY. 
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Diomedes on October 30, 2018, 06:15:10 PM
Let's argue all day.

Here's my take:  the Eagles got better with this trade.  Carson got a capable tool to use.  I'm good with it.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2018, 06:19:27 PM
If there’s no chance it’s a three, why is every article being written about this saying Detroit would likely get a three as compensation?

because they are stupid?

for it to be a 3rd a 31 year old slot wr would have to get ridiculous money and the eagles more or less sign no one in FA

ill apologize then kung fu grip my bird if they get a 3 but its not happening...in fact theres more chance they get a five than a three...shtein theres a lot more chance of getting no pick than a 3rd
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Don Ho on October 30, 2018, 06:27:33 PM
4 - 4, shtein I'll be happy with anyone.

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Mike Garafolo
 ✔  @MikeGarafolo 

 

The #Eagles had been throwing to Nelson Agholor close to the line of scrimmage and trying to get him some YAC. That's one of Golden Tate's strengths. Get him to do that and send Agholor down the field. Smart move. I like it.

Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: MDS on October 30, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
if they were 6-2 i would like it even more

but again your road to the bowl IF YOU MAKE IT is: car, @la, @no

im not saying you dont try but this seems highly unrealistic for them to do
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 31, 2018, 06:40:39 AM
basically to make the super bowl this year carson has to lose his mind and play way better than every other qb and carries them there...and like you said thats just not going to happen against cam goff and brees...they already lost to carolina at home and they are def losing at no and la and possibly going to get worked pretty badly doing it

basically howie traded a 3rd to try and win the division and once in hope for a miracle...cant hate on him for it as the eagles just lived thru a miracle season and in the nfl a half season is an eternity with injuries and stuff like that...also they have a qb who is on the very short list of best in the game so go for it...just that IMO winning the division is a toss up and odda to win a superbowl are super small and not worth giving up a 3 for a half season of someone
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 31, 2018, 08:10:10 AM
howie admitting that they lost the trade if they dont win the super bowl

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"You’re always trying to get the best price," he said. "There is no doubt about it. But we’re not trying to win the trades. We’re trying to get really good players. The message to our fans, to our players, to our coaches, to everyone in this organization is our foot is always going to be on the gas. We’re always trying to win. We’re always going to try to put our best foot forward. What we can do now is try to do that for this season and this moment. That’s what we’re going to do and that’s our responsibility."
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: MDS on October 31, 2018, 09:11:21 AM
so i guess the point of golden tate is to put them over the top in these 5 games:

dal, @dal, wsh, hou, @wsh

the giants game they win without him...the saints and rams they are losing regardless

if they lose any one of those 5 games, especially to wash, they wont make it

they gave up a 3
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: smeags on October 31, 2018, 09:17:00 AM
this place is consistent.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on October 31, 2018, 09:27:11 AM
But they gave up a third rounder, man. 

A.  THIRD.  ROUNDER.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: AO1 on October 31, 2018, 09:39:53 AM
But they gave up a third rounder, man. 

A.  THIRD.  ROUNDER.

Dak was a 4th rounder
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: QB Eagles on October 31, 2018, 09:43:39 AM
They gave up the difference between a 2019 3rd rounder and a 2020 3rd or 4th rounder that they will get back when Tate walks. So the cost of this trade is not having the equivalent of a Josh Huff rookie year next season.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 31, 2018, 09:53:24 AM
They gave up the difference between a 2019 3rd rounder and a 2020 3rd or 4th rounder that they will get back when Tate walks.

it doesnt work exactly like that and again there is zero chance he garners a 3rd

if you like swinging for the fences then this trade is for you and thats a valid argument...one i dont happen to agree with but its legit anbd i dont hate howie for it....but trying to spin it as they didnt give up a lot for what they got doesnt fly
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: smeags on October 31, 2018, 09:56:09 AM
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Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on October 31, 2018, 10:19:24 AM
But they gave up a third rounder, man. 

A.  THIRD.  ROUNDER.

Dak was a 4th rounder

Well he is the best QB in the division. 
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on October 31, 2018, 10:30:22 AM
But they gave up a third rounder, man. 

A.  THIRD.  ROUNDER.

Dak was a 4th rounder

so was avonte maddox
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on October 31, 2018, 11:27:28 AM
Clyde Simmons was a 9th rounder.  Thank goodness Howie can’t waste one of those. 
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Don Ho on October 31, 2018, 05:36:46 PM
You old fart
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on October 31, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
You old fart

Simmons ended up in Jax after Buddy got canned in AZ.  My wife and I went to their training camp just to see him and I was wearing Birds gear.  I did the Eagles cheer as he was walking off the field and he made a bee line right to me. 

He was laughing and he said, “man you Philly guys are crazy.”   He was really nice to us. 
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: smeags on November 01, 2018, 08:18:58 AM
I just think this guy is a good fit for the gold standard.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Don Ho on November 01, 2018, 03:14:47 PM
very funny
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Tomahawk on November 02, 2018, 01:09:41 AM
very funny

False
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Tomahawk on November 02, 2018, 01:17:42 AM
I don't understand how the Rams and Saints games are automatic losses. I do understand they're difficult games to win, but you also predicted a loss for every game after Wentz got hurt last year.

As I said when the playoffs started, I'll go ahead and believe the Eagles are going to win until they don't.
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on November 02, 2018, 07:41:42 AM
i dont think anyone predicted a loss in every game foles played....i personally thought super bowl chances were done tho

if you dont like the term automatic then how about highly likely
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: MDS on November 02, 2018, 09:53:43 AM
I don't understand how the Rams and Saints games are automatic losses.

they are significantly more talented and better than the eagles
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: ice grillin you on November 02, 2018, 11:16:36 AM
on a scale of 1-10 with ten being a lock win what number would you put on the following games:

1. ram or saint game....whichever one you think is more difficult

2. home giants on thanksgiving sunday
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Rome on November 02, 2018, 03:04:25 PM
I agree with you.

Yes but you don’t agree with me enough.

Oh

🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Golden Tate, Philadelphia Eagle
Post by: Tomahawk on November 05, 2018, 10:12:00 PM
on a scale of 1-10 with ten being a lock win what number would you put on the following games:

1. ram or saint game....whichever one you think is more difficult

2. home giants on thanksgiving sunday

I was going to say sixes for all of them, but that would make the sign of the beast and I don't want to curse :CF so I'll say sixes for all of them

I don't understand how the Rams and Saints games are automatic losses.

they are significantly more talented and better than the eagles

The best team never wins unless it's the team losing to us