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Title: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
70 wins, 5th place
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
didnt you have them in the wild card hunt this year....or is that next year?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 08:12:00 PM
i had them in the wc this year 4 years ago provided they sold their veterans but they waited too long. 2018 is a possibility if a bunch of things shake out right but its highly likely going to be 2019
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 08:15:51 PM
lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 02, 2017, 08:24:17 PM
Predictions: This is going to be a long season and a short thread.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 08:26:11 PM
the season starts when nick and jp get the call
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 08:27:34 PM
nick sucks....roman quinn is the young bull to watch

all eyes should be on lakewood (moniak, sanchez) and clearwooder (corny, kilome) too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 09:17:41 PM
moniak is garbage....really all their prospects are cept maybe kilome

but 2019!!!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 02, 2017, 09:26:00 PM
Crawford is garbage?

Someone's been hitting the fire water hard again. 

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 09:32:16 PM
"All eyes on t-ball leagues. That's where the prospects are. 2029 is the year" - lil guy

80.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 09:41:05 PM
Crawford is garbage?

Someone's been hitting the fire water hard again.

garbage might be too strong but hes not good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 02, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
I assume all these guys are Domonic Brown until I see them perform at the MLB level. That's a natural defense mechanism every Phillie fan should have by now.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 02, 2017, 09:56:23 PM
65.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 02, 2017, 10:01:25 PM
Crawford is garbage?

Someone's been hitting the fire water hard again.

garbage might be too strong but hes not good

Agreed. He'll turn into an every day SS at some point but he'll never be anything special. We as fans and the media vastly over rated their prospects.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 10:02:48 PM
"All eyes on t-ball leagues. That's where the prospects are. 2029 is the year" - lil guy

80.

this doesnt make any sense
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 02, 2017, 10:11:52 PM
They don't sniff .500 until the next decade.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 10:12:43 PM
Crawford is garbage?

Someone's been hitting the fire water hard again.

garbage might be too strong but hes not good

Agreed. He'll turn into an every day SS at some point but he'll never be anything special. We as fans and the media vastly over rated their prospects.

yup
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 10:25:38 PM
everybody overates their owns minor leaguers but jp has been hyped up by every publication known to man

cant blame people for thinking thoughts
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 10:27:01 PM
So JP is Juan Bell, Williams is HOF Brown and Alfaro is pre-roids Daulton
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 02, 2017, 10:28:04 PM
So JP is Juan Bell, Williams is HOF Brown and Alfaro is pre-roids Daulton

And if Nola's lucky, he's Kevin Gross.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 10:31:28 PM
everybody overates their owns minor leaguers but jp has been hyped up by every publication known to man

cant blame people for thinking thoughts

2019?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 10:32:45 PM
by 2019 youd figure a few of their prospects will hit....theyll have enough prospect capital to swing a trade or two....and surely theyll throw tons of money at machado, harper, etc.

its a pretty reasonable expectation that, on paper, theyll be good in 2019
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
So JP is Juan Bell, Williams is HOF Brown and Alfaro is pre-roids Daulton

And if Nola's lucky, he's Kevin Gross.

Lol good one

I'm just hoping his arm doesn't fall off this season
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 10:33:39 PM
So JP is Juan Bell, Williams is HOF Brown and Alfaro is pre-roids Daulton

i have no idea what youre going for with this shtick
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 10:36:22 PM
So JP is Juan Bell, Williams is HOF Brown and Alfaro is pre-roids Daulton

And if Nola's lucky, he's Kevin Gross.

Lol good one

I'm just hopin his arm doesn't fall off this season

o/u on his DL stint

may 15?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 10:44:32 PM
So JP is Juan Bell, Williams is HOF Brown and Alfaro is pre-roids Daulton

i have no idea what youre going for with this shtick

No schtick

On a side note - looking at going to Wash for a series this year. Maybe next month. Haven't ever been there to see the museums and shtein.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 10:45:52 PM
so you hate...the minor leagues? or think all minor leaguers suck? im confused.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 10:49:20 PM
So JP is Juan Bell, Williams is HOF Brown and Alfaro is pre-roids Daulton

i have no idea what youre going for with this shtick

No schtick

On a side note - looking at going to Wash for a series this year. Maybe next month. Haven't ever been there to see the museums and shtein.

triple m's

me matty museums
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 10:53:04 PM
so you hate...the minor leagues? or think all minor leaguers suck? im confused.

Stop overthinking it.

Havas do you usually go to all games when they're in DC?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 10:55:33 PM
week day series every one cause my office is no lie 500 yards from the stadium....weekends two out of three normally

also if you wanna save on a hotel you are more than welcome to crash here...its not downtown but its a train ride away
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 11:13:01 PM
Oh cool thank you! I'll let you know by end of this month if I'm gonna head up. Seems like the next time they're there is Sept and and opening NFL weekend so not gonna do that.

Other thought was to go out to SF in August but I may do that anyways.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 11:17:21 PM
I'm taking off early tomorrow

Gonna stop by Tony Luke's on the way home and grab a provolone wit and enjoy opening day
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 11:19:14 PM
a primos just opened right by me and a hoagie is 11.25
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 11:23:24 PM
That's a little high. And I can't read Primo's name without hearing it in Garganos voice

If I remember right the sandwiches at TL's are like $9. I took a customer there a couple weeks ago and it was $25 for a steak, hoagie, two fries and drinks.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 02, 2017, 11:27:13 PM
a little?.....they are 8.99 at the south philly og
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
Yeah gotta pay that away from home but want a taste tax

Greek cat in Phoenixville charges like $6.99 for his steaks. And they're phenomenal
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on April 02, 2017, 11:43:49 PM
Which Greek cat is that?  There's like a million of them.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 02, 2017, 11:44:48 PM
Kaz at Liberty Square
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 02, 2017, 11:51:00 PM
and hes not even greek
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 12:12:01 AM
Yeah he is. Has a hot daughter too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on April 03, 2017, 12:23:50 AM
Kaz at Liberty Square

Isn't that TD Alfredo old location? 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 12:36:54 AM
Yeah he is. Has a hot daughter too

business, always business for j
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 12:43:02 AM
did he have hands.....did he have a face
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 12:51:11 AM
If he did...it wasn't us.

Sarge - yeah. He took it over after TDs moved down the road a bit to the old Wawa
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 10:41:48 AM
1. cesar  2b
2. kendrick lf
3. odie cf
4. maik maik 3b
5. saunders rf
6. TJ 1b
7. rupp c
8. galvis ss
9. helli - p

78 wins
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on April 03, 2017, 11:29:20 AM
Still appropriate for this roster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oBaVRn7IEU



I still like the Haven for sammichs in P-ville. Seems like the town is undergoing a bit of a renaissance, some new microbrews going in down town and new schools in and around the area and whatnot.

Not sure if you're into diner food Phreak but one of my aunts basically runs one of the diners up there. Been the manager there for forever.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 03, 2017, 11:54:32 AM
By "renaissance" does that mean they give the strung out junky whores on the stroll along Bridge Street free dental now?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on April 03, 2017, 12:25:22 PM
No it just means they're hotter now.

Also, you live in Florida, man.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 03, 2017, 12:33:21 PM
Yeah no hot girls here, Munson. 

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on April 03, 2017, 12:43:45 PM
go team.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on April 03, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
Yeah no hot girls here, Munson.

I'm just saying, people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw strung out junky needing dental work stones.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 01:57:37 PM
Yeah the Haven is still good but there business has suffered a bit since the son's owner killed his wife. Shotgunned her.

And yes, the town has turned into Yuppieville. Good for property values. My grandmom's neighborhood has places going for $250-300k...which is nuts.

But it isn't the blue collar gritty town like it was when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 03:56:41 PM
Left work and housed the provolone wit

On the couch now

Let's goooooooo
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:01:43 PM
so the nbcsports app on my apple tv doesnt have the option to watch local broadcasts....but the nbcsports on my roku does

i have 2 tvs in my living room because SPORTS
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 04:03:24 PM
You took off today too?

Oh yay...TMac

Hope Krukker drowns him out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:06:24 PM
i try to mix in the 3 day weekends when there are long gaps without holidays...such as this. had some other things to do today but it worked out fine.

80!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 04:13:21 PM
Look at Caesar acting like a leadoff hitter!

Goneeeeeeezoooooo babyyyyy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 04:15:47 PM
Working the deep counts

Welcome to the hitting coach job, Stairs.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:15:57 PM
scott feldman is all kinds of terrible but that was something

when was the last time the phils got a leadoff hr on opening day
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 04:16:45 PM
the delay on this mlbtv package is ridiculous
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:19:32 PM
the delay on this mlbtv package is ridiculous

its like a minute to 90 seconds i think

welcome to the wild world of streaming
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 04:20:09 PM
Maik Maik running like a cripple

Nice slide tho

There we go boys!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:22:25 PM
j's got his pom poms out today

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 04:26:41 PM
It's opening day you miserable farger!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:29:36 PM
i like baseball too but im fairly certain the phillies do not need my encouragement

unless mike mike is checking cf inbetween at bats then i stand corrected 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 03, 2017, 04:31:07 PM
the delay on this mlbtv package is ridiculous

Even more frustrating is you'll be watching on mlbtv and your ipad or phone if you get the live updates, will be pinging away so you know something happened as your tv feed is 3 pitches behind.  As Todd said welcome to live streaming.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
the delay on this mlbtv package is ridiculous

its like a minute to 90 seconds i think

welcome to the wild world of streaming

basically cant have your phone on or be talking to anyone during the games...better than paying 300 bucks i suppose but its highly farging annoying...free EI preview for today at least
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 04:32:58 PM
what up G
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 04:35:00 PM
Freddy and his dreads gettin down
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:37:01 PM
the delay on this mlbtv package is ridiculous

its like a minute to 90 seconds i think

welcome to the wild world of streaming

basically cant have your phone on or be talking to anyone during the games...better than paying 300 bucks i suppose but its highly farging annoying...free EI preview for today at least

ive found that mlbtv and gameday are on about the same schedule. tweets every once in a while might come in before the act but its rare.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 04:40:52 PM
whats gameday?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 03, 2017, 04:43:59 PM
TMac on radio ads :boo

C'mon Phils, I'm listening to the radio for a reason.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:46:36 PM
on the mlb app...the live game tracker jawn.

ive been streaming stuff forever and the only "spoiler" problems i have is when im talking to people like you. the time difference between stream and reality tends to increase the longer you are watching the stream, so if you care, when theres a commercial, just turn on another game then turn back to the phils. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 04:50:30 PM
i get my updates from the score app and they are immediate.....ill just have to turn off philie updates when im watching this year

feldman has an issue with his hand threw a few practice pitches which were not very close and what does odubel do?...hacks away at the first pitch after the injury stoppage
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 04:51:48 PM
Howie was safe

And Maik Maik needs a chin strap on his helmet
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 04:55:01 PM
i also noticed that you can get the wip feed as an option on the menu....will that be the radio feed over the telecast of the game or is it only audio
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 04:55:44 PM
so far kruk is pretty funny....tmac has no idea what to do with it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 05:03:42 PM
Poor decision by Helly

Jesus
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 05:11:45 PM
j thoughts on adam ottavino wearing #0 for the rockies
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 05:14:43 PM
Hate it. Hated it when Omar Olivares wore 00 too.

Hate anyone wearing 0
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 03, 2017, 05:28:33 PM
so far kruk is pretty funny....tmac has no idea what to do with it

Yep!  Kruk makes a funny comment and then silence.  Loosen up Tom, this isn't the same audience listening to the Women's NCAA Final.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 05:31:14 PM
tmac, kruk and murph are talking about the word jawn

its happening
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 05:31:28 PM
They're talking about TMac saying jawn

My god
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 05:45:22 PM
Lousy AB by Saunders
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
helly gonna win a cy young this year
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 05:55:41 PM
Settle down, homer
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 06:15:32 PM
Ah yes the old 67 pitch hook by Pete Mack

Wtf
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 06:19:35 PM
next level thinking

had the bases loaded the last 2 innings and a leadoff double in the 6th...ticking time bomb....fully rested pen and a day off tomorrow. why  not?

roided up benoit throwing 96 at 40 years old does work.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 03, 2017, 06:39:33 PM
i also noticed that you can get the wip feed as an option on the menu....will that be the radio feed over the telecast of the game or is it only audio

You can get the radio feed with the video broadcast.  Synced pretty well, too.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 06:42:22 PM
thats only on the pc i believe
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 03, 2017, 06:45:12 PM
thats only on the pc i believe

Works on the Roku.

Don't think it does on the phone, though.  Sorry if that was what was asked.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 03, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
next level thinking

had the bases loaded the last 2 innings and a leadoff double in the 6th...ticking time bomb....fully rested pen and a day off tomorrow. why  not?

roided up benoit throwing 96 at 40 years old does work.

i dont have a problem taking him out but why let him hit the inning before if you were going to yank him after one batter the next inning
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
maybe the triple had something to do with it...he didnt have a lot of time from running the bases to pitching? but thats a valid point.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on April 03, 2017, 07:02:10 PM
If he did...it wasn't us.

Sarge - yeah. He took it over after TDs moved down the road a bit to the old Wawa

Been by it a million times, never been in though.  Might have to try it out next time I'm in the area.  That means I have to skip TDs though. Tough call.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 07:07:07 PM
Get a TDs for the road

Jawnmar time. He's gonna blow it isn't he?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 07:07:17 PM
odubs with some solid bat flips after his walks

hope romey is ok
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 07:14:46 PM
Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 07:16:25 PM
im not sure if jenmar gomez is good

but if its going to make j go crazy then what the hell

1 down, 79 to go!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 08:11:18 PM
He a slop balling middle reliever masquerading as a closer

Neris or Benoit plz
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 08:34:37 PM
youre right, hes not someone who is going to be good at getting 3 outs when the lead is between 1-3 runs
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 08:53:04 PM
And here comes the nerdy takes
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 08:58:12 PM
i dont think youve ever even had a conversation with someone who knows anything about advanced stats
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
I try not to
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 09:14:44 PM
well then dont talk to every single gm in baseball

but you can talk to red sox 1b coach ruben amaro!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 03, 2017, 10:05:54 PM
I have you to hammer home the benefits of xfip and whatnot
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 03, 2017, 10:25:20 PM
lol math. i know right.

i dont know what to tell you. every single front office uses advanced metrics. the cubs live by it. the red sox do, too. they seem to be doing well. the phillies didnt....ruben amaro and monty ran them into the ground. now they do.

its not even a debate anymore. DURRR whats exit velocity DURRR. youre still arguing about the world being flat 500 years after columbus accidentally discovered a continent and proceeded to commit mass atrocities on its inhabitants. just move on.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 05, 2017, 02:08:22 PM
goodbye commish

im not saying its some kind of devastating loss or hes going to end up being a great player but i thought he had very good potential and no matter how he ends up im not sure you can handle a rule 5 guy worse than they did him
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 05, 2017, 03:03:59 PM
Meh.  The have a bazillion OF prospects.  For whatever reason he didn't pan out there.  No big loss (hopefully).
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on April 05, 2017, 06:36:50 PM
https://twitter.com/phillies/status/849752214763646976


Lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on April 05, 2017, 06:58:51 PM
Haha. Excellent response.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 08:02:46 PM
That's pretty good.

Where did Goeddel go?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 08:15:34 PM
Another good inning with seeing pitches
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 05, 2017, 08:38:47 PM
at least they can see the ball....perhaps one day they will learn how to hit the ball
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 05, 2017, 08:47:28 PM
brennaman who btw with welsh are a top 3 duo in mlb is killing hellickson for his ridiculous comments
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
What did hellickson say??
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 05, 2017, 08:56:22 PM
said he would never run for a triple again because it made him too tired and that after he ran that far he was tired for a half hour
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
Oh yeah I heard that

Pitchers, man...whaddya gonna do
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 09:23:52 PM
Eickhoff dealing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 05, 2017, 09:25:36 PM
reds need to see his pitches as well as the phils are on finnegans
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 09:33:55 PM
19 in a row.

Sheesh
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 09:36:13 PM
Welp
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 09:43:46 PM
Goddammit Altherr

Field it cleanly you farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 09:49:41 PM
Maik Maik!

Time for some runs fargers
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 10:04:49 PM
Welcome back Phillies

11k's

Two runners on 0 outs and no runs
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 05, 2017, 10:50:40 PM
quality start for eickhoff where it counts -- my fantasy league
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 05, 2017, 10:55:28 PM
His curve got weak there late...a shame
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 06, 2017, 12:43:24 PM
omg if choke comes back to the bank in a braves uniform
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 06, 2017, 01:38:18 PM
omg if choke comes back to the bank in a braves uniform

cheers for his first AB but they wont be a tenth of what utley got...then he will get booed on a hit/homer and the cheers will be extra loud if he Ks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 06, 2017, 02:01:31 PM
Because he's a colored fella, amirite?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 06, 2017, 02:14:32 PM
omg if choke comes back to the bank in a braves uniform

cheers for his first AB but they wont be a tenth of what utley got...then he will get booed on a hit/homer and the cheers will be extra loud if he Ks

yeah it will be so repug
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 06, 2017, 02:40:09 PM
why the farg is Mack bunting there with the catcher on second and a walk machine on the mound
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 06, 2017, 02:52:39 PM
adam morgan grooves a fastball to a pinch hitting relief pitcher, who homers. the phillies.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2017, 02:54:40 PM
Lol at dumbfarg giving up a bomb to a reliever

As for Choke

What sense does it make for ATL to sign him? Blocked by Freeman.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 06, 2017, 02:58:52 PM
Blocked by Freeman.

Pretty sure the Braves, like every other MLB team, does not view Choke as a viable starting 1B, so it makes no sense to say he's blocked. He's a bench bat if he ever makes it back up into the bigs, which he probably won't.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 06, 2017, 03:01:19 PM
i think j is mixing up freddie freeman and jim thome and 2017 with 2005
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2017, 03:04:23 PM
Yeah no

But he's blocked and he sucks off the bench

Wish he went to a DH team
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 06, 2017, 03:11:39 PM
Adam Morgan is a bum
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 06, 2017, 03:14:24 PM
Adam Morgan is a bum

the phillies roster is bum....altho no one in the majors can have a worse roster than the reds....i cant believe how bad their rotation is...thank god the phils have matt stairs now so the lineup could take advantage of it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 06, 2017, 03:17:33 PM
the phillies roster is bum

That's really all there is to say. Bad team is bad. For the next few years absolutely nothing matters other than whether they can convert minor leaguers into real players. And, bad news, this team usually sucks at that too.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 06, 2017, 03:20:48 PM
where will franco be in 2018 when manny machado is at third

im gonna say korea, hitting in front of darren rough
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 06, 2017, 06:57:20 PM
where will franco be in 2018 when manny machado is at third

im gonna say korea, hitting in front of darren rough

 :-D :-D  I needed that laugh
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 07, 2017, 02:55:27 PM
Awful sports city Philadelphia can't even sell out opening day

Take that team and move them to Montreal
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 07, 2017, 04:06:05 PM
vv pitch counts are just not sustainable for a starter....he needs to develop a dependable second pitch hand move to closer
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 07, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
Agreed on VV.  I know it's only his third inning of the season but he's got a lot of shtein to work through.  Saw this last season after the nice start he had. 

Jesus Christ, Scherzer is a stud.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 07, 2017, 04:15:19 PM
vv looks like the same pitcher as last year...one good pitch that he relies too heavily on that good hitters can eventually do something with over the course of 5,6 innings.

meanwhile this offense is next level terrible. tommy joseph is a cute little story but him starting at 1B in the majors is a joke
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 07, 2017, 04:27:12 PM
VV on his way to 100 pitches in 4 innings.

He looks like a wreck out there.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 07, 2017, 04:31:27 PM
Christ, this is mind boggling.  VV has 10 K's through 4 but looks like shtein out there. 

IGY's right, and we discussed this last season, get this guy in the pen.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 07, 2017, 04:33:47 PM
vv looks like the same pitcher as last year...one good pitch that he relies too heavily on that good hitters can eventually do something with over the course of 5,6 innings

the depressing part is that there isn't a player in the organization with the possible exception of JP who I would like to see become a star...vv is a look test monster and I love him so much but he just doesn't have it and apparently is unteachable
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 07, 2017, 04:38:10 PM
sixto, ortiz and kilome have "potential" but they are so far away its pointless to think about. sixto gets talked about in star terms but hes 18 on a half year of rookie ball. so whatever.

but yea they have prospect depth but no star talent. and thats why they are going to go crazy in 18
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2017, 04:50:51 PM
1-21 with RISP

Phillies are BACK, baby
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 07, 2017, 04:54:13 PM
i want to take all of management's empty platitudes about kendrick and saunders having "professional ABs" and being "professional hitters" and launch them into the sun

altherr and quinn should be on the corners and williams can steal a spot when he proves it. and teach one of them 1B so i dont have to look at tommy joseph's dumb old man face anymore
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 07, 2017, 05:01:53 PM
OMG Todd, Tommy Joseph "old man face".  Priceless.   :-D
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 07, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
1-21 with RISP

Phillies are BACK, baby

i thought matt stairs changed the culture
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2017, 06:55:26 PM
That's gonna be your rally cry this year isn't it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 07, 2017, 07:23:45 PM
not really but its an all time j'ism that after one game against a hideous pitcher and the only team in the league that might be worse than the phillies you thought a tv announcer transformed an atrocious lineup
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 07, 2017, 07:46:29 PM
but john kruk said
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2017, 09:40:01 PM
Transformed no

But I forgot if someone says something you and junior go in on it

They worked the counts better. I made an observation. Slow your roll
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 08, 2017, 07:23:39 PM
oh j bird

http://www.phillyvoice.com/bryce-harper-really-likes-philadelphia-just-him/
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2017, 07:47:46 PM
Errrrrbody hits!

#Natitude
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 08, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
This is amazing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2017, 08:12:08 PM
So 0-1 runs tomorrow then right? That's what usually happens.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 08, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
First inning tonight:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/geowhizzer/gashousegorillas.gif)

The rest of the season:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/geowhizzer/Whiff.gif)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2017, 08:37:32 PM
Sadly accurate
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 08, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
Harper just went down to toss his armor and got rung the farg up.

Suck my King Kong cock you funholeface shteinbag.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2017, 08:44:56 PM
Harper just went down to toss his armor and got rung the farg up.

Suck my King Kong cock you funholeface shteinbag.

 :-D :-D
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 08, 2017, 09:18:53 PM
Oh my god brycie will win the MVP after his performance tonite.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 08, 2017, 11:40:59 PM
you two homers are gonna first in line to jerk off him the second he signs with the phils

and not even a jerk. like a farging cock worshiping. 2 hands full on. swallow the load. do it as many times as he wants. you farging homer sluts cock loving homers
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 08, 2017, 11:41:42 PM
Mds is obsessed with Bryce Harper's pecker
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 09, 2017, 12:04:09 AM
its probably a decent size but for real ive never encountered a homer quite like you...youtre whole i hate bryce act is a bigger crock of bs than trump on syrida....you cock worship all philly spots players and bryce would vault to the top of the line youd be in that shtein like a jew on a a sale at macys
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 12:16:30 AM
You drinking tonight?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 09, 2017, 07:38:53 AM
Easiest fish to land ever. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 02:16:57 PM
Great farging AB by Galvis there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 03:23:57 PM
Aaaand Helly is out early again
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 04:01:12 PM
I have no doubt that Jawnmar will end up blowing this
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 04:22:49 PM
hector was so filthy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 04:43:33 PM
I have no doubt that Jawnmar will end up blowing this

called it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 04:44:37 PM
also that homer was a two run swing in my fantasy match up this week since stras doesnt get the L now....go team!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 04:45:27 PM
GET HIM OUT!!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 04:46:06 PM
Jesus farging Christ

This icehole needs to be a sixth inning guy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 09, 2017, 04:46:32 PM
Why is he still closing?   You mean to tell me there's no one else available on the entire planet?

Disgusting. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 04:47:45 PM
This icehole needs to be a sixth inning guy

for lehigh valley
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 04:49:09 PM
Idgaf where it is to be honest

If he's the closer after today then send Mack to whichever independent league Gomez heads off to
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 04:52:05 PM
they need to get rid of that repug ollies advertisement....farging looney zealots
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 09, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
What a waste of a nice start by Hellickson. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 04:53:26 PM
What a waste of a nice start by Hellickson.

not sure if tis possible to waste a 5 inning start
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 04:54:35 PM
why the farg is he bunting
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 05:02:00 PM
Stassi damn man

Come on Cesar
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 09, 2017, 05:02:52 PM
nice
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 09, 2017, 05:03:18 PM
Hail Cesar!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 09, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
What a waste of a nice start by Hellickson.

not sure if tis possible to waste a 5 inning start

He gave up one hit in five innings.  That's a waste. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 05:05:55 PM
Odub, Galvis, Cesar and Neris are all playing well.

Old Face Tommy needs to hit and Maik Maik needs a better approach

Jawnmar needs to be shipped out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 09, 2017, 05:07:26 PM
The Pirates are rocking the We Are Family units. 

Niiiiice. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 09, 2017, 09:41:39 PM
1. jenmar gomez is not a back end of the bullpen pitcher. this is being rectified. mack gave a respected veteran a chance to keep his job and he failed. neris might be the future in that spot. time to see.

2. the very idea to bunt with a runner at 1st and 0 outs is asinine. to do it with your backup catcher, who has never bunted before ever, is beyond explanation. knapp doesnt belong in MLB, at least right now. but alfaro is the aaa catcher, for good reason, and if they dfa'ed knapp, he would be scooped up by another team to be their aaa catcher. so here we are. whatever.

3. brock stassi had no idea what he was doing in that AB. hes a cute story. but he flat out stinks. hope he gets his first hit before he gets dfa'ed, which inevitably will happen.

4. freddie freeman hit 2 homers and nearly hit for the cycle today. that block on ryan howard will continue for a little bit i guess.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 09:55:18 PM
CF MLB insider Lil Guy Olney on the topics tonight!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 09, 2017, 10:02:20 PM
also krukker is predictably really good on games....local baseball announcers are 100% about wanting to hang out with the person and 0% about providing good insight. and who wouldnt to grab a few and shoot the shtein with john kruk?

the problem is tmac.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2017, 10:17:08 PM
I try to ignore TMac but Kruk will be the reason I watch more Phils broadcasts this season for sure.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 10, 2017, 03:19:37 AM
local baseball announcers are 100% about wanting to hang out with the person and 0% about providing good insight.

Yeah if I'm watching football or basketball I hope the color guy can sometimes point out something I don't already know. With baseball, it's farging baseball. Tell some stories about the old days, shtein on the umps a little, point out funny stuff happening in the dugout... that's pretty much the job.

Especially easy to praise Kruk after the Nationals series, because all you have to do is click over to the DC feed to hear a complete disaster.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 10, 2017, 07:44:58 AM
Is it me or does McCarthy seem completely disinterested in engaging with Kruk?   Maybe I'm just imagining things but it sure seems like it. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2017, 09:30:43 AM
That's because TMac is straight and narrow and has the personality of a door. Kruk cuts up and TMac doesn't know how to react to this.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 10, 2017, 10:32:26 AM
It's amazing that McCarthy still has a job.  He's that farging awful.   I don't know a Phillies fan who doesn't hate listening to his screechy shrill voice, so of course he'll have a job forever. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2017, 10:44:44 AM
What's crazy is he's passable as an NFL PBP guy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 10, 2017, 10:57:18 AM
local baseball announcing and doing national stuff is a different skill set

no 1 thing for local guys is to be likable. do i want hang with the person? tmac is a decisive NO. on football/basketball for cbs its all about the game. hes just a voice. he does a good job on there because hes a skilled broadcaster. but just being a skilled broadcaster doesnt mean you can do local baseball pbp.

the phillies know hes not popular but the very fact that he gets cbs work is why they keep him. theyre thinking -- hey we're going to fire a guy who does football for cbs?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 10, 2017, 11:03:14 AM
I know It's blasphemy around here but I'd take Scott Graham back in a hot minute over McCarthy.

 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 10, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
I know It's blasphemy around here but I'd take Scott Graham back in a hot minute over McCarthy.

 

I like Franzke's banter with Andersen better, but I enjoyed Graham's play by play.  Both are leaps and bounds over McCarthy.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 10, 2017, 11:56:09 AM
graham has a really good radio voice...its too phony to be on tv

franzke is perfect for tv and theres legit no good reason why hes not doing it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 10, 2017, 11:58:22 AM
Stubborn, irrational, arrogant, clueless and resistant to meaningful change. 

Can't imagine why they've only won 2 championships in 135 years. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on April 10, 2017, 12:42:15 PM
yeah but, but, middleton.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 10, 2017, 01:07:29 PM
Close but no cigar?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on April 10, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
you just smoked that pun.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 10, 2017, 01:55:04 PM
Left it in ashes.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2017, 07:33:10 PM
Nice inning brewing here

farg the Mets
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2017, 07:37:28 PM
And Stassi farged it up

Two days in a row this queef can't hit a fly ball at least to score a run
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 10, 2017, 07:51:42 PM
Breathe, dude. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
Goooosefraba

Odub had a nice bat flip there. Too bad it was on a fly out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 10, 2017, 08:30:32 PM
First base 2 for 26. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 10, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
when this team is 25 games out I'm still going to watch because of Kruk.  So far so good :yay :yay
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2017, 08:55:52 PM
Here comes the blown lead

Call in the clowns
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 10, 2017, 08:56:28 PM
when this team is 25 games out I'm still going to watch because of Kruk.  So far so good :yay :yay

Give me one game, just one game with Kruk and LA doing the game together.  Forget the play-by-play, just shoot the shtein.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2017, 09:32:22 PM
Jesus farging Christ

Bruce is a killer
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 10, 2017, 09:32:38 PM
guess he figures he's not going to have too many chances to be involved so bowa figured he had to do something but that was complete over managing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 10, 2017, 09:34:00 PM
Oh God!  That backfired
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on April 10, 2017, 09:59:50 PM
Hey that one guy got a hit
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 10, 2017, 10:09:47 PM
nice minor league managing tonight guys.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 11, 2017, 12:44:22 AM
interesting game

they lost for a couple reasons...one is brock stassi. he got his hit. cute. now back to AAA or at least being the 25th man. he is complete garbage.

another is whoever decided to bring in joely to face bruce. this dude aint ready for the show. bowa? mackanon? whatever. brutal. jay bruce is a mongoloid. dont give him a slider up in the zone oh wait he did exactly that.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2017, 08:58:35 AM
another is whoever decided to bring in joely to face bruce. this dude aint ready for the show. bowa? mackanon? whatever. brutal. jay bruce is a mongoloid. dont give him a slider up in the zone oh wait he did exactly that.

mack got kicked out...bowa immediately popped his managing boner and went HAM as fast as humanly possible...it didnt matter what the move was....he was gonna make moves

forget the fact that joely sucks and edubay is actually pretty good with really good stuff that he was showing last night and then jay bruce in a minuscule sample size of course is batting a crispy .1000 against joely it was just an all around brutal move...it didnt even take the homer to second guess it either...im yelling at the tv as bowa is coming out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 11, 2017, 09:06:00 AM
i saw mack speak to bowa before he left...mightve told him to bring in joely for bruce/granderson. mack had him warming up.

ultimately i think both guys wouldve done the same thing....you have 2 fossils who know no other way than bunting and "playing the matchups."
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2017, 02:08:50 PM
per forbes the top 5 most profitable mlb teams...

1. phils - 88 mil
2. cubs - 84
3. red sox - 79
4. giants - 78
5. astros - 76
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 11, 2017, 05:31:44 PM
why? two big reasons: lower payroll and the new tv deal.

the phils actually lost money the previous 5 years because their tv deal was terrible, their payroll was bloated and they were drawing maybe 15k a night. but anyone who thinks baseball is in trouble let them know the cubs made 85 mil at a ballpark built 1000 years ago.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
Buchholtz is probably gonna get smoked tonight
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2017, 07:15:22 PM
holy crap TJ looked awkward chasing down that foul ball
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 11, 2017, 07:43:49 PM
Buchholtz is probably gonna get smoked tonight

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
ever since that edubray pitch the phillies have been a disaster on all levels
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 08:16:33 PM
Buchholz go ahead and get on that DL for awhile, son.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Buchholtz is probably gonna get smoked tonight

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!

Lost velocity + no out pitch + no movement on his pitches = piñata

Then you have ODub losing a can o'corn in the twilight and that redneck Rupp letting someone tag the farg up on a pop foul behind the plate.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 08:25:31 PM
Jesus farging Christ

Adam Morgan is a shteinbag loser too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 08:55:51 PM
Three homer night for Yo Anus

Perfect

Good job. Guess I can sleep early tonight
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 09:19:16 PM
Why the farg am I still watching this
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 11, 2017, 09:53:56 PM
It's on in my office, on being that I am listening to the soothing vocals of T Mac and haven't looked up in almost half an hour.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 10:06:16 PM
Another goddamn home run

12-2

Joely got got again

I could've hit that hanging slider
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2017, 10:11:51 PM
It's on in my office, on being that I am listening to the soothing vocals of T Mac and haven't looked up in almost half an hour.

why would you ever listen to the Phillie announcers over the mets
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 10:13:13 PM
Get to the bullpen and warm up Havas
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
nope....I want them to suffer

they are gutless turds
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 11, 2017, 10:35:55 PM
fargen eh'
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 11, 2017, 10:37:22 PM
Still watching J?

20 hits tonight for the Mess.

How appropriate Gomez give up that bomb to Duda.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 11, 2017, 10:39:28 PM
It's on in my office, on being that I am listening to the soothing vocals of T Mac and haven't looked up in almost half an hour.

why would you ever listen to the Phillie announcers over the mets

I question that often.  No excuse when they play the Mets, Giants and the Doyers when they had Scully to not listen to the opposing booth.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 10:52:11 PM
Still watching J?

20 hits tonight for the Mess.

How appropriate Gomez give up that bomb to Duda.

Yep. I stuck it out for reasons yet to be known.

Seven homers and seven doubles tonight. Helluva job, boys.

At least Bumholz is dead. Call up Eflin
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2017, 10:55:00 PM
It's on in my office, on being that I am listening to the soothing vocals of T Mac and haven't looked up in almost half an hour.

why would you ever listen to the Phillie announcers over the mets

I question that often.  No excuse when they play the Mets, Giants and the Doyers when they had Scully to not listen to the opposing booth.

even with kruk I cant imagine the phils aren't a bottom five booth
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2017, 10:56:58 PM
also the mets have a blazing hot translator
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 11, 2017, 10:59:42 PM
Adam Eaton errr Morgan sent to AAA

Don't even let him shower and change. Get out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 11, 2017, 11:06:18 PM
maybe if dubbe ramos didnt get butthurt they wouldve won last night...but someone got his precious feelings hurt because of a bat flip.

on the bright side buchholz is hurt so hopefully this is the last of him. id imagine efflin will replace.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 12, 2017, 05:32:07 AM
Adam Eaton errr Morgan sent to AAA

Don't even let him shower and change. Get out

Praise farging Jesus!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 12, 2017, 12:34:30 PM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/IMG_5090_zps7dblstb7.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 12, 2017, 03:08:34 PM
At least they were champions of something.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 12, 2017, 05:55:58 PM
bucholtz going to dr andrews for a second opinion....nice knowing you clay
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 06:51:44 PM
Danny Tartabull like career

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 12, 2017, 06:54:26 PM
Next!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 07:13:49 PM
Good start

Someone wanna let these shteinheads know they're allowed to locate pitches and not just zip them down the middle?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 08:03:57 PM
#Phillies led the league last year in 2-strike HRs allowed. They lead the league this year in 2-strike HRs allowed with 9. Next closest: 5
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 12, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
is there a home run allowed stat they don't lead in?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 08:26:21 PM
Probably not.

It's time to transition Vinny to a closer btw

Offense is still asleep too.

Btw why isn't Knapp playing tonight?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 12, 2017, 08:28:47 PM
is there a home run allowed stat they don't lead in?

Most of the hitting ones would be a fair guess.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 12, 2017, 08:32:52 PM
65 wins may have been too optimistic of a guess for this team.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 08:34:06 PM
Welp.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 12, 2017, 08:35:53 PM
V V is so damn frustrating.  Guy can strike people out but once again almost at 100 pitches through 4.  Looks discombobulated on the mound. 

And good God, what a weak effort by Old Man face at first.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 12, 2017, 08:36:56 PM
And we made fun of Choke's speed
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 08:39:11 PM
Odds they come back and win?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 12, 2017, 08:42:15 PM
And we made fun of Choke's speed

TJ is slow and GRITty...choke was slow and lazy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 12, 2017, 08:43:28 PM
Odds they come back and win?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rqnyqLtofeo/VD55kW11ipI/AAAAAAAADXE/15__mE5_Qac/s1600/mike-frerichs-zero-point-zero.gif)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
Odds they come back and win?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rqnyqLtofeo/VD55kW11ipI/AAAAAAAADXE/15__mE5_Qac/s1600/mike-frerichs-zero-point-zero.gif)

Hahah
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 08:49:07 PM
Vince Velasquez has pitched 6 or less innings in 23 of his 26 career starts with the Phillies.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 12, 2017, 08:49:47 PM
Dean Wormer!! 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 12, 2017, 08:51:24 PM
Vince Velasquez has pitched 6 or less innings in 23 of his 26 career starts with the Phillies.

"Jeez, farg" was my response to this out load.  That is not good.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 12, 2017, 08:57:08 PM
I would have said it was 25/26....every start other than his 16 k game...it's just what he does...he has no secondary pitch and not very good control...he basically either strikes out walks or gives up a hit to every batter
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 09:13:04 PM
Plz score some runs here
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 09:15:14 PM
MOTHERfargING MAIK MAIKKKKKK
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 12, 2017, 09:29:40 PM
hey j

i love you but calm down
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 10:09:22 PM
No.

Jake Thompson is sporting a near 29.00 ERA
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
Saunders missed a meatball

Bum Canadian
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 12, 2017, 10:32:31 PM
searanthony had a night tho
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 12, 2017, 10:38:16 PM
j what is your anger level

is it better or worse than the delmon young season
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 12, 2017, 10:39:38 PM
Anger level is a 2

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 13, 2017, 06:30:49 AM
Hard for me to be angry at this team that we knew was going to be dregs.  I am beginning to lose hope that the situation will change before I hit 50.  Four seasons to go...

(https://media.tenor.co/images/5d235fbaeb4ce4f82140682d044ab97b/raw)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 13, 2017, 08:16:15 AM
yeah with most of their prospects coming up bust and more importantly none of them being studs they are longer away than i even thought
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 13, 2017, 08:55:03 AM
yea 2019
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 13, 2017, 08:55:54 AM
keep thinking that....it going to take you places
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 13, 2017, 09:08:29 AM
when you have money to spend and a deep farm system (maybe not with amazing talent, but with talent), you can get good quick.

im not saying theyll be a world series contender in 19 but on paper theyre going to be good. they arent going to sixers this thing...2019 is d day.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 13, 2017, 09:27:18 AM
They do have this, though...

(http://vz.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/gold.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 13, 2017, 09:30:54 AM
when you have money to spend and a deep farm system (maybe not with amazing talent, but with talent), you can get good quick.

im not saying theyll be a world series contender in 19 but on paper theyre going to be good. they arent going to sixers this thing...2019 is d day.

who is the free agent they are getting winter of 18 that is having them in the playoffs two years from now?

is the farm system better than what they have now?...who in the system is coming up next year that is going to have them in the playoffs in 2019...jp is completely overmatched in AAA and him and nick are hitting a combined .146......yeah i know its early....because theyve showed so much promise in AAA thus far...most of the potential stud prospects in the system are years away from contributing to a postseason major league team

so assuming these guys are even major leaguers to begin with you can bring up crawford williams kingery etc...but who on the roster are they going to be a huge upgrade over....more interesting to watch sure?...but is kingery better than cesar?...is crawford going to be that much better than freddie?...the only guy in the system that i have hope could come up make the majors and be better than what they have now in time for a 2019 playoff run is alfaro

2019 opening day is now less that two years away...i just dont see where all the great players are going to come from to put them in the postseason by then

shtein you have maikey in japan in two years and hes supposed to be a building block
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 13, 2017, 10:12:13 AM
some of it is going to come from outside the organization....free agency and trading their prospects for a bigger piece. theyll have a deep enough farm system to do that and deep enough pockets to overpay for machado or something.

theres still a lot of variables in play, namely pitching. im not sure how theyre going to acquire a stud arm until sixto and kilome (and those are massive ifs), so the pitching will be full of 2s and 3s. but the royals made 2 world series and won 1 without an "ace." you put together a dynamite bullpen, have your starters get you 6 and load up on bats.

but this isnt the sixers. whether they are ready or not theyre going to put a good team on paper in 19. they have to. they arent sitting on their hands for x amount of years until a "core" is developed.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 13, 2017, 10:37:30 AM
i hate to break it to you but they already are the sixers

and in general i dont disagree with anything you said...i just dont think they are a playoff team as soon as you do mostly because like almost all baseball fans you overrate your teams system
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 13, 2017, 11:22:54 AM
its impossible to say if theyre going to be a playoff team in 19....maybe they win 88 games and maybe thats good enough for the second wild card. and maybe its not.

you cant project that. but you can say that, on paper, they will have a competitive roster in 2019.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 13, 2017, 11:27:13 AM
I don't think their roster will look anything like today's roster, but I can easily see it being a different set of bums with a few good FAs letting their talents go to waste.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 13, 2017, 11:46:43 AM
its impossible to say if theyre going to be a playoff team in 19....maybe they win 88 games and maybe thats good enough for the second wild card. and maybe its not.

you cant project that. but you can say that, on paper, they will have a competitive roster in 2019.

so essentially like ive said all along this was a 5-7 year rebuilding process if in 2019 they might be "competitive on paper"

i think we are still looking at 20 or 21 until they are a legit division title and/or playoff contender...not a team a few games over .500 that is the 7th team in a seven team wc race
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 09:02:59 AM
you might be right. 20/21 are reasonable time frames. maybe.

jp - 3/28. 1 bb, 10k.
alfaro - 12/29. 0 bb, 6k. 1 hr. 1 sb.
nick - 5/25. 0 bb, 9k. 2 sb.
cuzzo - 4/27. 4 bb, 11 k. 1 hr.
hoskins - 9/26. 4 bb, 5 k. 1 hr. he has a 1029 ops.
j valley - 11/26. 0 bb, 5 k.
quinny - 8/29. 0 bb, 12 k. 1 sb.

nobody even has 30 at bats so we're on a really small sample size but outside of alfaro this is...ugh
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
hoskins isnt even a prospect as far as im concerned and cousins barely is...their bats do not and will not translate to the major leagues they are basically the same but different versions of stassi

valentin had an amazing spring but i dont think is even in the top 25 on most of their propspect lists and almost certainly will be passed by kingery this year

its all about the big boys and if they flame out or not

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 14, 2017, 10:01:24 AM
you might be right. 20/21 are reasonable time frames. maybe.

jp - 3/28. 1 bb, 10k.
alfaro - 12/29. 0 bb, 6k. 1 hr. 1 sb.
nick - 5/25. 0 bb, 9k. 2 sb.
cuzzo - 4/27. 4 bb, 11 k. 1 hr.
hoskins - 9/26. 4 bb, 5 k. 1 hr. he has a 1029 ops.
j valley - 11/26. 0 bb, 5 k.
quinny - 8/29. 0 bb, 12 k. 1 sb.

nobody even has 30 at bats so we're on a really small sample size but outside of alfaro this is...ugh

That looks great. Another hyped up batch of prospects that will fail. Any other org and these dudes would be on fire.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
yea jimmy rollins stinks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 14, 2017, 11:03:23 AM
That's one.

Howard, Utley, Rollins, Rolen, Hamels....spread out over how many years?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
jon villar and gio gonzalez are good. ken giles. travis d'arnaud is ok.

i mean its the phillies and theyve won 2 titles in 1000 years what the farg do you expect
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 11:13:57 AM
No way it happens and I realize he has 4 years left on his deal but I'd be all in on Trout. I would trade every prospect in the organization, JP, Moniak, Alfaro, Quinn...and who ever else the Angels want. The likelihood of those players panning out is looking grimmer and grimmer. Trout puts asses in the seats and is a player to build around.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 11:29:37 AM
they can trade for trout in 2-3 years if a bunch of things go right. most likely hes too good to trade and will hit the open market and get something like 5 bills
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 11:43:14 AM
No way it happens and I realize he has 4 years left on his deal but I'd be all in on Trout. I would trade every prospect in the organization, JP, Moniak, Alfaro, Quinn...and who ever else the Angels want. The likelihood of those players panning out is looking grimmer and grimmer. Trout puts asses in the seats and is a player to build around.

so you wanna trade a bunch of middling prospects who dont look like they are gonna turn into anything for maybe the best baseball player ever?.....im IN
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 11:46:51 AM
Best baseball player ever?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 11:56:02 AM
Best baseball player ever?

obviously cant say that yet but hes headed in that direction....for his age who has had a better first five full seasons?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 12:12:50 PM
I don't have the time to do that research. Maybe some nerdy baseball sabremetric stat geek could help me out. Know anyone like that?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 12:29:28 PM
im not saying someone doesnt....griffey maybe?....pretty sure mantle was really good really young...but my point is there aint many
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 01:16:02 PM
I looked up Ted Williams (in my opinion the greatest hitter ever) who started playing at the age of 20...Trouts not even close
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
im talking about modern era...when like black people played and stuff....ted williams could hit but he aint half the player trout is....he was a chain smoking sloth in the field....trout is robo cop
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 02:00:46 PM
I looked up Ted Williams (in my opinion the greatest hitter ever) who started playing at the age of 20...Trouts not even close

ted williams also got his hits off of 35 year old white dudes throwing 85.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 14, 2017, 02:15:38 PM
You idiots are higher than farg if you're in here trashing Ted Williams. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 02:26:49 PM
You idiots are higher than farg if you're in here trashing Ted Williams.

You mean the guy who won two triple crowns, was the last player to hit .400, and missed 5 years of his prime due to military service? Clearly he was a bum. Maybe once his head and body are unfrozen and reattached we can ask his opinion.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
he wasnt a bum he just doesnt count cause of when he played....great for his time...congrats you are a deserved HOF'er for your contributions....but cant possibly put him in the same conversation as a wille mays or mike trout

t dub is like the george mikan of baseball
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 02:32:42 PM
he wasnt a bum he just doesnt count cause of when he played

This is such a dumb argument, especially considering players have been using steroids since the 70's. Does that mean the last 50 years don't count either?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 02:39:11 PM
you dont care about football players being hopped up on horse tranquilizer but baseball players shoveling drugs down their throat tarnishes the legacy of men who played a segregated game?

and ted williams was a world class icehole who was probably on whatever advantage he could get his hands on
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on April 14, 2017, 02:43:48 PM
oh this is going to be good.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
at least juicers were playing against the best competition in the world....ted williams played six years before jackie robinson even came in the league and was retired before the league was fully integrated....not to mention about ten years before the latino boom...it wasnt even real baseball in the 40's...he can be the best player of that era....deal?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
you dont care about football players being hopped up on horse tranquilizer but baseball players shoveling drugs down their throat tarnishes the legacy of men who played a segregated game?

and ted williams was a world class icehole who was probably on whatever advantage he could get his hands on

Since when have I been an advocate for football players using roids? No idea what point you're trying to make.

Yes I'm sure Williams was using roids, growth hormone, creatine, Adderall, meth, blow and whatever else he could get his hands on in the 40's and 50's. I hear they were readily available at every corner pharmacy.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 02:47:53 PM
youre not an advocate but you dont care....drug use in the nfl is rampant and nobody bats an eye. just make sure youre good to go on sunday, right? hey i dont care either.

but i dont fall on my sword for ruth, williams, gehrig, etc. when they put computer numbers in what is essentially a different sport

the real best hitter ever is probably tony gwynn
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 03:12:37 PM
youre not an advocate but you dont care....drug use in the nfl is rampant and nobody bats an eye. just make sure youre good to go on sunday, right? hey i dont care either.

but i dont fall on my sword for ruth, williams, gehrig, etc. when they put computer numbers in what is essentially a different sport

the real best hitter ever is probably tony gwynn

I 'batted an eye' when the stupid hillbilly popped for the second time. I still have zero idea what point you're trying to make with that statement.

And lol at Tony Gwynn being the best hitter ever. I'm sure you'll pull some sabremetric verbage out of your ass to back up your claim, but it'll fall on deaf ears so don't bother.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 03:20:17 PM
nah hes got the highest career BA in mlb history for post integration

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/batting_avg_career.shtml

but congrats for sounding like a trumper
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 03:22:52 PM
id need to think about it but gwynn has to be in the discussion.....he was farging phenomenal

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 03:26:11 PM
if youre talking about pure hitting...like go up there and get me a hit...its gwynn. but he was largely a singles hitter and was of course fat and couldnt steal bases.

that actually makes it more impressive. how many bleeders and squibbers did he get thrown out on that go as infield hits for everyone else?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 14, 2017, 04:01:11 PM
nah hes got the highest career BA in mlb history for post integration

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/batting_avg_career.shtml

but congrats for sounding like a trumper

Didn't we (meaning I think me, definitely rome, and you) have an argument about how useless batting average is? Just for the record I don't think it's a useless stat but it's hardly the best measurement to judge a hitter on.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 04:11:40 PM
hits are kinda important when talking about the best hitters
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 04:13:08 PM
ive really come to despise odubel herrera.....like really hate
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 04:27:20 PM
aaron nola painting on the black right at the knees against bryce. also hitting 95.

hello
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 04:29:34 PM
tammy jean for a ride
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 04:42:52 PM
aaron nola painting on the black right at the knees against bryce. also hitting 95.

hello

hi
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 04:50:12 PM
werth's little cheapy helped there...but nola's shtein is lit today

hes getting an extra inch or two but this is nice
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 05:38:28 PM
rupp needs to tag there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 14, 2017, 05:41:47 PM
Dumbfarg Rupp

Stupidest base running team in the league
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 14, 2017, 07:01:39 PM
Pete you dumb shtein!  Review it you Hoyda.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 07:04:41 PM
Pete you dumb shtein!  Review it you Hoyda.

cant review it after tammy jean leaves second base...thats on him
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 14, 2017, 07:25:10 PM
HA!  Gomez, go jump in the Potomac.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 14, 2017, 07:26:48 PM
Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 07:45:28 PM
bringing him in when mack did was at very best questionable....to send him out there against the meat of the order for a second inning was completely asinine

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 14, 2017, 07:54:22 PM
Mackanin is a third rate manager.  He's nothing but a cheap stand-in.  When they start spending money on real talent, he'll be sent packing. 

And Gomez should be DFA'd. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 14, 2017, 07:58:37 PM
Mackanin is a third rate manager.  He's nothing but a cheap stand-in.  When they start spending money on real talent, he'll be sent packing. 

How true.  He's in way over his head.  I get it this team is rebuilding and there isn't much he can do but like IGY said why in God's name do you put Gomez out there against the meat of that lineup knowing the guy has nothing.  Gomez of all people.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 08:01:57 PM
under no circumstances does jeanmar ever get used before benoit and mack used him TWICE without using benoit
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 14, 2017, 10:21:41 PM
buck showalter lost a playoff game with his closer in the pen....obviously fossil OLD SCHOOL baseball dudes have learned nothing from that

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 15, 2017, 12:12:45 AM
Completely forgot this was on at 4pm and missed it.  And it's only April.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 15, 2017, 05:17:32 AM
I listened on the radio

Agreed on Jawnmar being DFA'd but if they don't do that then his role is mop up and nothing more
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 15, 2017, 06:04:25 PM
Another good game from Cesar.

I was listening while driving back to Houston so I need to see the highlights but Franzke was fired up for the sliding catch by Freddy. Sounded like a helluva play
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 16, 2017, 05:11:49 AM
Hellickson pitched well today.  Solid. And the bullpen line?  2IP 0H 0R 1SO
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 16, 2017, 08:34:12 AM
nm
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 16, 2017, 03:17:00 PM
my 3 least favorite phillies

1. tommy jo
2. texan white trash cowboy fan cameron rupp
3. vv
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 16, 2017, 03:26:17 PM
No love for Jeanmar?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2017, 03:48:48 PM
Cesar & The Nobodies

That's what their offense is
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2017, 03:52:39 PM
What a disgusting at bat by Franco

Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 16, 2017, 04:15:08 PM
Even though the catcher dropped the ball still a nice slide by AAAlthere
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 16, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
Happy Easter Jay

Love,
Bryce Harper
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2017, 04:48:28 PM
Just farging kill me
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 16, 2017, 04:50:21 PM
Mackanin let Bryce Harper beat his team. 

Nice work you farging imbecile. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 16, 2017, 05:06:16 PM
Neris needs to be the closer and should have been since the beginning
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 16, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
How demoralizing is it for a young team to not only have to beat the opponent but also overcome the completely idiotic decision-making of their coach or manager?

The wins or losses don't mean shtein because this team is at least a 90 loss club regardless of who is managing, but how much longer are they going to let Mackanin have any influence on the kids on that team?

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 16, 2017, 05:53:49 PM
Mackanin let Bryce Harper beat his team. 

Nice work you farging imbecile.

Exactly.  Two outs, walk the guy.  I agree with you in that this team is going nowhere but damnit don't pitch to Harper.  However, with that said, Murphy batting almost .400 and the Phils being his bitch and all, this thing was done.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 16, 2017, 06:05:37 PM
I would walk Harper there regardless of who is batting behind him. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 16, 2017, 06:29:07 PM
uh no

you dont put the winning run on 2nd for murphy...if theres a base open its one thing...but murphy is a damn good hitter. benoit threw a 3-2 meatball. make a better pitch next time he cant do that with.

anyway this game was 100% on havas and matty. their stench was all over this.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 16, 2017, 06:59:40 PM
How many times does he have to ass rape you before you stop him from dropping a Roofie in your drink?

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 16, 2017, 07:03:00 PM
only a few more before you hire him to do that to other teams
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 16, 2017, 07:34:45 PM
Pretty much. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 16, 2017, 09:20:02 PM
i spent 75 dollars in lyft to see this shtein today
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 16, 2017, 09:49:58 PM
You seem to be the common denominator in all of the losing Philly teams engage in.   Have you ever noticed that?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 16, 2017, 10:01:24 PM
You seem to be the common denominator in all of the losing Philly teams engage in.   Have you ever noticed that?

lol...i literally just left a voice mail saying as much to one of my bests friends
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 17, 2017, 06:58:16 AM
I'm just asking because I always sssumed it was me. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 17, 2017, 09:53:28 AM
you dont put the winning run on 2nd for murphy...if theres a base open its one thing...but murphy is a damn good hitter. benoit threw a 3-2 meatball. make a better pitch next time he cant do that with.

im not saying you are wrong or that i would have walked harper but the winning run was already on second...it would have loaded the bases for murphy

what i took away from yesterday is that i hope a scrub like bryce harper is never on the phillies
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 17, 2017, 09:54:47 AM
I'd rather have Harper than Trump. There.  I said it. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 17, 2017, 10:16:51 AM
you dont put the winning run on 2nd for murphy...if theres a base open its one thing...but murphy is a damn good hitter. benoit threw a 3-2 meatball. make a better pitch next time he cant do that with.

im not saying you are wrong or that i would have walked harper but the winning run was already on second...it would have loaded the bases for murphy

what i took away from yesterday is that i hope a scrub like bryce harper is never on the phillies

the tying run was on 2nd...it was 1st and 2nd for bryce. i was listening on the radio so maybe i missed a detail.

base open its an auto IBB
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 17, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
The Phillies had the lead.  If they put Harper on it's a force at any base.   Besides, would you seriously not prefer to face Murphy over Harper?

Sorry but like I said yesterday... he's not going to beat me there. 

Bottom line is Benoit sucks and shouldn't be closing.  Also - this wasn't Mackanin's first fargup nor will it be his last.   He manages like he has no situational awareness and makes errors both critical and less consequential seemingly every game.  It's time they started looking for his replacement.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 17, 2017, 10:55:55 AM
force at any base doesnt really matter since there were two outs but i think i agree with you romey....i probably would have walked him....the argument against it is putting the run on third where a passed ball/wild pitch or an infield hit scores it

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 17, 2017, 11:09:33 AM
the argument against it is it puts a fast runner on 2nd so a single beats you...with harper a single ties it. of course he hit the ball 420 feet so whatever.

on the surface it makes sense -- dont let the other teams best player beat you -- but murphy's chances of getting a hit are roughly the same as harper's. so you pitch to bryce and pitch carefully. you dont throw him a 3-2 fastball.

Bottom line is Benoit sucks and shouldn't be closing.

calm down. he has a good track record and hadnt given up a run until yesterday. i wanted neris in the role because long term he may be your guy but benoit is a back end relief pitcher and about the best option they have. theyre a 70 win team. calm down.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 17, 2017, 11:10:36 AM
True but in that scenario it only ties the game.  Measured between the odds of Harper cranking one out versus Daniel Murphy ripping a liner is almost even because they're both great players.  I'd just rather go with the latter there even if it's almost a certainty that you're farged either way. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 17, 2017, 11:13:07 AM
murphy has a much better chance of getting a hit -- any hit -- than harper did of getting an XBH. not to mention it leaves with no wiggle room for with a walk, wild pitch, passed ball, etc.

they made the right call to pitch to harper and attack him to get him 0-2. benoit didnt have anything to put him away. throwing him a 3-2 fastball was a mistake. and so, the phillies, as they do, lost.

but again the moment havas told me him and matty were going i knew they werent winning
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 17, 2017, 11:18:11 AM
I'm all for blaming those two. 

But tell me you didn't * know * Harper was going yard on that Bullshtein. 

The first two meatballs he fouled off he was right on them, just off by a half inch each time.  Again, pretty sure Murphy ends it too but grooving one to Harper gets everyone shot in the face. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 17, 2017, 11:22:09 AM
putting the winning run in scoring position is indeed the argument against it....cant really argue against that....cept harper is so damn good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 17, 2017, 11:29:13 AM
You don't get shot in the face.  Watching that live is punishment enough. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 17, 2017, 11:43:50 AM
i was physically ill..only saving grace was that on a beautiful sunday afternoon about 18 thousand people showed up to see what is arguably the best team in baseball...some nats fan tried to tell me it was because of the bullets playoff game...until i told him that it didnt sell out

this was in the third inning

(http://i.imgur.com/PoDjENZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 17, 2017, 02:25:29 PM
cept harper is so damn good

he hit .243 last year

-j
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 17, 2017, 02:39:54 PM
He's a bitch

-J
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 17, 2017, 02:43:42 PM
Ha.  Close this this thread cause it just got GOT. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 17, 2017, 03:01:44 PM
after another weekend of baseball jp crawford now sits at .086 with 12k and 5bb
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 17, 2017, 03:20:14 PM
give me him 8 of him but farg bryce harper, his dad pulled him out of high school or something when he was 16 its a big deal and his hair

-j
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 01:02:33 PM
bucholtz going to dr andrews for a second opinion....nice knowing you clay

out for the year with a torn tendon
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 18, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
Of course he did. 

Nice job, Phillies. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 04:24:34 PM
thats 13 million dollars of not your money they flushed down the toilet

:(
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on April 18, 2017, 05:03:27 PM
This team is really going to miss the 8-10 wins he'd contribute to.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 18, 2017, 05:20:15 PM
They could have spent the money on someone who wasn't a medical reject.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 06:27:42 PM
Kendrick to the DL

Mark Leiter Jr called up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 18, 2017, 06:27:45 PM
They spent $13 million in order to flip Buchholz for prospects at the trade deadline.

If only he had remained healthy. Instead of being unable to flip him due to injury, they would have been unable to flip him because he sucks.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 07:36:33 PM
I hate Cameron Rupp
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
They spent $13 million in order to flip Buchholz for prospects at the trade deadline.

If only he had remained healthy. Instead of being unable to flip him due to injury, they would have been unable to flip him because he sucks.

yeah he wasnt being dealt for shtein....he sucks even when healthy and is basically a reliever at this stage of his career

searanthony looking good again tonight....control is a little off but one hit thru 4 so far with 4 k

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 08:28:50 PM
searanthony looking good again tonight....control is a little off but one hit thru 4 so far with 4 k

22 year old in high a....meh
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 08:32:45 PM
Meh = not enough of them good hipster sabr numbers
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
that doesnt make any sense. stop fighting math its honestly stupid
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 08:41:09 PM
Fake math!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 08:42:43 PM
getting close to the point where scott kingery needs to move to left...cesar aint letting go of 2b
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 08:48:04 PM
lol seranthony is like 200 days older than kilome....get rid of the bum
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
they both can burn....all about sixto
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
elfin has settled down pretty nicely

shocked to hear he is the second youngest pitcher to start a game in the majors this year
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 09:01:52 PM
hes going to be the 2nd youngest pitcher in the japan league next year
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 09:05:45 PM
I like him...touching mid 90's....nice little curve...I think he has a decent shot to be a future 5
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 09:07:14 PM
oh god here comes stassi...don't walk Freddie
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 09:11:19 PM
I like him...touching mid 90's....nice little curve...I think he has a decent shot to be a future 5

future 5! so excited!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 09:14:28 PM
why did mack ph a stiff like stassi then leave him in for the lhp

better yet why did tc bring a loogy for stassi

none of this matters but good god this is amateur hour shtein
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 09:15:52 PM
if you can't get excited about young pitching that has a chance to be part of a future rotation no matter what slot then really no reason to watch the team until they are good again

why is stassi on the team again?....oh yeah so I can hear every visiting team announcing crew tell me for the rest of the season about how he was a 33rd round puck
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 09:18:19 PM
i get excited about young pitching that can stick around the bigs like nola or eickhoff....not vance worley part II
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
I mean to each his own but if you don't care about a young kid who is a potential starter for them going forward then what's the point

it would be like me not caring about Sam morin for  the flyers cause he might only be a 6th defenseman or Tim louie cabarowah for the sixers cause might be a deep rotation guy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 09:38:35 PM
i can think of nothing more interchangeable than quad a starters....if its not efflin its lively or pivetta or thompson or 100 different people. most likely the phillies are going to have to go with 5 mid rotation guys because they dont have a top end guy in their system and none will be available on the market

think 5 nola's
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 09:42:05 PM
It's interesting to see if Eflin can develop rather than watch some turd like Buchholz or another vet hanging onto their dwindling MLB career.

I want to know why Knapp ain't getting more run. Rupp can't hit and he calls a lousy game
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 09:50:41 PM
It's interesting to see if Eflin can develop rather than watch some turd like Buchholz or another vet hanging onto their dwindling MLB career.

this is true...they brought buchholz in for insurance and in hopes to flip him but it was a disaster. on to eflin.

I want to know why Knapp ain't getting more run. Rupp can't hit and he calls a lousy game

knapp sucks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 09:52:30 PM
Is he better than Redneck Sal Fasano?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 09:54:28 PM
knapp is a backup catcher, knapp is not even an AAA catcher....he is validly terrible

he might be better than dane sardinha
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 09:58:46 PM
Let Knapp get some run until Alfaro comes up. What can it hurt?

Helluva play by Reyes

Awful job by Freddy not making it to 2nd
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
again if you aren't interested in eflin Thompson pivetta etc then why even watch...I just cant imagine watching one of my teams rebuild and not caring about players like that...anyone can follow Nola or provorov or embiid....that's a given...seeing a potential surprise make it or even make it and be better than you thought is almost as good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:00:55 PM
i mean sure but we all know what eflin's ceiling is and its not very high...thompson has a better shot to be something

Let Knapp get some run until Alfaro comes up. What can it hurt?



KNAPP SUCKS
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:05:29 PM
that was blanco's 7th PA of the year...stassi has 20. mack is straight bad at managing.

also that was a gr2b. :(
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 10:07:07 PM
why is that a rule for that park...that should be in play...if it goes over that metal fencing I could see the GRD
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:09:58 PM
it went over that first wall with the orange line...thats the boundary wall. it looks dumb.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 10:12:05 PM
thanks for the update but that wasn't my question...why does the fence there even  have an orange line on it...makes no sense
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:12:52 PM
i dont know i didnt design citi field
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 10:14:19 PM
btwn odubrays slider and hectors cutter phils got a nice little 1-2 punch in the pen
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 10:19:18 PM
can't believe an appeal was even required there...that was easily over the plate
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 10:21:29 PM
The LF design is dumb - like one of those pitchback nets

So Knapp sucks as does Eflin. Gotcha, Bill James.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:22:35 PM
eflin is at least quad A....knapp isnt even AAA
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 10:24:12 PM
Oh come on ODub Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:30:40 PM
since mack wont bring his best remaining rp in until he has a lead because....because....stats?

its lu garcia, mark leither jr and jawnmar. bahaha.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 10:34:53 PM
This team is fundamentally retarded
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
lu garcia had no control and all 3 outs were sharply hit....but hey im sure genius mack will run him for another inning but its not a "save situation" yet
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 10:44:08 PM
Settle down, pal.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 10:44:32 PM
lol why were the mets at DP depth
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:49:53 PM
Settle down, pal.

you are to baseball what trump supporters are to politics
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 10:50:13 PM
this game has been an absolute clusterfarg on every level
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 10:58:57 PM
should benoit still come in even though its not a save situation? gotta make all decisions based on arbitrary statistical guidelines.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 18, 2017, 11:00:22 PM
You can always bring in Gomez to make it exciting.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 11:05:14 PM
more three stooges shtein and nice of Cesar to help him up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 18, 2017, 11:09:22 PM
of course he walks him
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 18, 2017, 11:37:19 PM
my man j always told me its good when the phils win and bad when the phils lose. and the phils won

go fightins!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 18, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
You got that right buddy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
Ben Lively is getting the call

"for what? he sucks. should be in clearwooder"

-lil guy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 19, 2017, 11:23:48 AM
well to be honest im pretty sure lively does suck....eflin is still up in the air imo

not ideal to have to bring up a starter to fill in in the bullpen for a few days....but i think all their 40 man relievers are in clearwater or reading so m not sure what else they can do...they just have too many SP in lehigh valley

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 19, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
Ben Lively is getting the call

"for what? he sucks. should be in clearwooder"

-lil guy

2 seconds ago you were railing against the very idea of prospects and making fun of following them...now theyre all awesome and none suck? pick a shtick and stick to it old man.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 12:37:18 PM
I was?!

Link plz
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 19, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
i dont care enough to look it up but you were all about prospects never working out...basically rolling your eyes at the minor leagues

but now ben lively is cy young
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 01:21:14 PM
your hyperbole has exceeded igy's

just last night I was saying how guys like Eflin and Knapp need run so they can see what they have
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 19, 2017, 02:14:51 PM
exactly...which goes against what you were saying. and knapp doesnt need any run he farging sucks.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 03:27:25 PM
Knapp potential > Redneck Rupp
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 19, 2017, 08:23:07 PM
look at vince getting his slap on
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 08:27:31 PM
Good job by him

Hopefully he keeps dealing too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 19, 2017, 08:52:05 PM
gag
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 08:52:26 PM
So much for that

Two out single
Walk
First pitch change up to that corksucker jay bruce

Goodbye lead
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 19, 2017, 09:01:30 PM
my god was that inning embarrassing after giving up the lead
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 09:03:53 PM
I'll blame Rupp calling for a change up to Bruce
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 19, 2017, 09:05:31 PM
im talking about the offense going down on 5 pitches
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 09:06:57 PM
I didn't see your post

But yeah that too...lousy ass approach
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
Good AB by ODub to advance the runner

Maik Maik needs to get this run in....riding an 0-20
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 09:24:10 PM
Gross AB Maik

Flailing away like some jerkoff on a junk ball
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 09:35:51 PM
WHAT THE farg

HES JAY BRUCE NOT LOU GEHRIG

farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 19, 2017, 09:35:56 PM
making jay bruce look like babe ruth

the phillies
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2017, 09:38:25 PM
Four goddamn homers hit by him against this team

farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 19, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
if it makes you feel better Bryce Harper who is the best player in the league murdeted them too

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 19, 2017, 09:40:32 PM
id rather have bruce

he went to high school and has a nice regular haircut
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 19, 2017, 10:09:18 PM
Garland them with timeless lilies!
Although they are a bunch of dillies
Who give honest men the willies-
We still love them for their sillies-
Hail, The Phillies.
                       - James Michener
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 20, 2017, 01:00:56 AM
They really are one of the biggest joke franchises in American sports history. They've lost more games than anyone. We had a few good years of them being a real team, but for a while now they've been right back to the stupid Phillies we grew up with. It's not ending soon either. This is the DNA of the franchise. They are the ultimate losers, the biggest bums. I don't worry about them ruining their minor league players because once they sign the contract they are already assumed ruined. The stink is so ingrained that if they had continued their run of late 2000s success and morphed into being a permanent Sox or Yanks style powerhouse, I would somehow have the feeling they were not the true Phillies anymore. They would be like the old Athletics or something else that is completely foreign to my fan experience... something that carries the Philly name but shares no common history with the loser franchise that has embarrassed themselves and their city for 130 years. The pathetic sadness that surrounds almost all of their efforts is so extreme that they still feel like the biggest losers in town even though they've won the city's only championship since the time I was potty trained.
 
Understanding all of this is part of being a Phillies fan. You know when you turn on the game that, even if they win big, what you're going to see won't be exactly... good. And you keep turning the game on because it's not like you're going to be disappointed either. You can't disappoint someone who knows you and accepted what you are a long time ago. We're just stuck with these hopeless bums.

Good thing we have the Eagles, Flyers, and Sixers... who are never embarrassing...
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 20, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
jp crawford hitting .098
alfaro at .318 with an .802 ops...but just 1 homer and 1 walk
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 11:44:40 AM
nick pivetta is killin heads
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
john meddlesome

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/freddy-galvis-baserunning-gaffe-caused-owner-john-middleton-send-e-mail
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 20, 2017, 01:24:00 PM
nick pivetta is killin heads

was a very good outing but had just 1k...still hope to see him up at some point this year. maybe when vv gets shifted to the pen.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 01:58:49 PM
nick pivetta is killin heads

was a very good outing but had just 1k.

he had 11 strikeoutds today and now has 24 and 2 walks on the year

come on man if you dont know your shtein about their prospects and are just here to put them all down probably best to stick to the major league club
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 20, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
calm down i read a tweet wrong
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 20, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
#FAKENEWS!

SAD!!

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 20, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
calm down i read a tweet wrong

I think that's what Trump said after the Syrian airstrike.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 05:02:21 PM
calm down i read a tweet wrong

TwitterTodd!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 05:03:59 PM
calm down i read a tweet wrong

TwitterTodd!

lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 05:04:17 PM
john meddlesome

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/freddy-galvis-baserunning-gaffe-caused-owner-john-middleton-send-e-mail

I'm actually ok with that

Meanwhile...you know lil guy rubbed the skin off his bird reading this

Quote
"I don't know if you know this but Fangraphs has rated us on their KATOH system as tied with the Yankees for the most (minor-league) players with a grade of 40 or better," Middleton said on WIP.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 06:29:56 PM
john meddlesome

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/freddy-galvis-baserunning-gaffe-caused-owner-john-middleton-send-e-mail

I'm actually ok with that

i would expect nothing less
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 06:47:18 PM
Oh indeed
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
syndy bangin a hundy

wow what a start for him
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 20, 2017, 07:19:50 PM
john meddlesome

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/freddy-galvis-baserunning-gaffe-caused-owner-john-middleton-send-e-mail

I'm actually ok with that

Meanwhile...you know lil guy rubbed the skin off his bird reading this

Quote
"I don't know if you know this but Fangraphs has rated us on their KATOH system as tied with the Yankees for the most (minor-league) players with a grade of 40 or better," Middleton said on WIP.

j: sabr is dumb lol
all people working in baseball: ummmm
ruben amaro: i know right!
j:
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 07:22:45 PM
fangraphs really is beyond awful....its not as bad as pro football focus but its not far off
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 07:41:54 PM
HOTT knapption
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 07:45:38 PM
HOTT knapption

He sucks bro

Some scout told me
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 20, 2017, 07:45:58 PM
dane sardinha got hits too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 07:53:59 PM
Walking the pitcher

farg off dumb Cajun
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on April 20, 2017, 08:18:22 PM
lol at Cespedes' walk up music.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 08:22:07 PM
Where's Keith Hernandez been?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 08:25:42 PM
JESUS fargING CHRIST THIS TEAM
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 20, 2017, 08:29:45 PM
JESUS fargING CHRIST THIS TEAM

you didnt think they were going to be good this year did you?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 08:31:44 PM
Leave me aloneeeee
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 09:36:46 PM
Francooooo

Double and a homer tonight

Nice
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2017, 11:26:16 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/news/book-review-macho-row-gives-1993-phillies-place-history/#PO7glZ5jhwusWec9.97

Billy Beane studied the 93 Phils

By golly
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 21, 2017, 12:13:40 AM
yes, not making outs is good

you cracked the code
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2017, 01:30:23 PM
Franco is absurdly overrated in this town
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 21, 2017, 01:33:46 PM
everyone is trying to replace him with machado...how is he rated?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2017, 09:45:37 PM
Get home in time to see Neris be allowed to pitch in a monsoon and give up a homer

Why even start the inning?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2017, 11:24:04 PM
Neris dropped a Barksdale gem tonight

"The game is the game"
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 21, 2017, 11:43:12 PM
aaron altherr shouldnt come out of the lineup for the foreseeable future

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2017, 11:43:51 PM
Agreed.

Let him play.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 06:36:53 PM
jp crawford on the season

hits + rbi + runs = 8
errors = 3
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 22, 2017, 07:41:35 PM
Sorry guys for the dumb question.  Got the game on and my son recognized TMac's voice and asked me if he's employed by the Phillies or is he like a free lance announcer.  ????
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 22, 2017, 08:09:20 PM
The actual employer of the various broadcasters has varied over the years. The TV guys work for CSN now. Pretty sure Franzke and LA work for the team.

Further complicating the picture, the Phillies own a quarter of CSN.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 08:11:50 PM
i believe the tv guys work for csn but not tmac...he was grandfathered into working for the phillies

when the new tv deal happened csn demanded wheels get fired and they controlled and hired his replacements
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 08:17:09 PM
pretty sure if you call 162 games for the last five or whatever years straight then you are not "freelance"
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 08:22:48 PM
fun jaime garcia fact: he was ineligible to play his senior year of high school baseball because it was determined he played "varsity" as an 8th grader in mexico

you all just learned something
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 08:23:29 PM
choke 2-2 tonight so far for braves aaa gwinnett

puke
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
actually really liked what eickhoff did tonight...granted it was the braves but he was really off yet still had 7 k's and only gave up  2 hits and a run in 5...you can judge a pitcher a lot by how well he does on his off nights and this was a really impressive off night

any other pitcher on the roster tonight gives up 6 runs on 8 hits
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 09:01:40 PM
i wonder if howie kendrick is actually hurt or if they just made it up to get altherr to play without making a vet look bad
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:06:14 PM
telling a vet of his stature to shut up and fake an injury for friggin aaron altherr is preposterous and is worse than making him look bad
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
is there a team ever that perpetuates the latin american player stereotype than the phillies
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
what is the latin american stereotype
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
wow what a run down by odu
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:15:12 PM
what is the latin american stereotype

lazy stupid dumb hot doggers
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 09:20:28 PM
Quote
That ball was barreled at 104.5 mph at a 20 degree launch angle. Hit probability? 77 percent.

give him some WAR points
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:28:30 PM
why is galvis running there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:31:17 PM
farg that insurance run
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 09:32:32 PM
why is galvis running there

lazy stupid dumb hot doggers
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
i mean seriously is there any non infield hit where galvis wont score there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
there is really no point to stealing 3rd with 2 outs, especially that late in the count. its just asinine and horribly stupid for a guy with average speed like galvis

when they get a real manager hopefully that shtein stops
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 09:42:54 PM
phils win tonight they are tied for second in the division and more importantly are ahead of the mets

also how many wins do the nats get this year...can they get 110?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 09:47:46 PM
gonna let j answer that one...hes pretty reasonable and rational
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2017, 09:59:51 PM
Goddamn two farging outs

Why is edubray closing?!

farg off Mack
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 10:00:31 PM
Goddamn two farging outs

Why is edubray closing?!

farg off Mack

why not

beris gone two days in a row and three of four and edubray has good stuff

oh also they arent playing for anything
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
Goddamn two farging outs

Why is edubray closing?!

farg off Mack

benny and neris unavailable
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2017, 10:02:34 PM
Running themselves out of insurance runs sucked too

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 10:04:22 PM
you want a hug?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 10:09:20 PM
i know the phillies are bad but that doesnt give them an excuse to play tommy joseph
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2017, 10:20:13 PM
Tommy Joseph is a useless piece of shtein
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 10:26:28 PM
why does it feel like the braves are up five runs
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 10:26:50 PM
i know the phillies are bad but that doesnt give them an excuse to play tommy joseph
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 10:35:27 PM
haha this game
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2017, 10:39:19 PM
What a shtein ass farging at bat from odubel

farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2017, 10:39:57 PM
FRANCOOOOOOOOO

MOTHERfargIN MAIK MAIKKKKKKK
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 22, 2017, 10:53:26 PM
really wanted joseph to bat with the game on the line but oh well
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2017, 11:44:07 PM
This isn't just a Phillie thing but the epidemic of pitchers barely making it 5-6 innings because of high pitch counts is crazy.

Eickhoff took 98 to go five
Vinny always has high pitch counts

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 11:50:02 PM
This isn't just a Phillie thing but the epidemic of pitchers barely making it 5-6 innings because of high pitch counts is crazy.

Eickhoff took 98 to go five
Vinny always has high pitch counts

1. you are talking about two pitchers who are babies as far as the majors go
2. eickhoff is amazingly consistent in going 6-7 for his age
3. pitching has maybe never been better in the majors
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2017, 11:52:24 PM
I know they're poor overall examples but that's just receny bias on my part

Not sure how I'd be able to search but I wonder how it compares now vs other decades on pitchers with 90+ pitches in 5 innings.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 22, 2017, 11:53:53 PM
i think you have vv bias...he is exactly what you are talking about....not sure why you would include eickhoff in that or pitchers in general
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2017, 11:57:30 PM
Because I looked at the box and saw it took him 98 to go five

And more than ever now than back in the day we see SP's go 5-6 innings
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 23, 2017, 12:02:36 AM
yea i know j when you were growing up robin roberts would pitch every other day and have a complete game every time
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 12:11:00 AM
And in your day pitchers get $20m to throw a "quality start" of six innings
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 23, 2017, 12:14:22 AM
we're the same age my man

the game has changed. there arent a ton of starters good enough to go 7/8 on a consistent basis. in this specific instance eickhoff was getting behind on most counts and the braves, as teams do, were patient and fouling a ton of pitches off. its not 1945 anymore.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 12:25:21 AM
Like I said tonight may be a poor example but it seems like it happens way too often across the league

And I'm a little older - wish I was still in my late 20s tho. I'll be 38 this year
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 23, 2017, 12:45:30 AM
youre just noticing pitchers only go 5/6 deep into games? its been going on for years

just the way the game is going. pitchers capped at 100...batters more patient and better at fouling shtein off...4/5 guys in each pen throwing 95+....this is baseball now.

theres so much more talent in the game than there was years ago.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 01:17:56 AM
Nah I've obviously known it's been happening for awhile but I'd just like to see better pitch efficiency.

Even with a guy like Kershaw if he goes 7 he's applauded despite being paid basically a mil per start

And I loathe the quality start stat. Might be the worst stat in sports (not including all the sabr horseshtein)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 09:02:10 AM
JP Crawford last night in the 'Pigs doubleheader: 0-7, RS, BB, 3K's, 2 errors.  Hitting .083
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 23, 2017, 10:01:04 AM
Nah I've obviously known it's been happening for awhile but I'd just like to see better pitch efficiency.

Even with a guy like Kershaw if he goes 7 he's applauded despite being paid basically a mil per start

And I loathe the quality start stat. Might be the worst stat in sports (not including all the sabr horseshtein)

you sound like an 85 year old man
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 10:45:41 AM
Cry about it some more
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 03:47:36 PM
ALL HAIL CESAR!!!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 03:48:01 PM
BACK TO BACK JACKSSSSS!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
BACK TO BACK TO BACK!

punctuated with an ODub bat flip
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on April 23, 2017, 04:59:39 PM
Right on track for 80 wins
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 23, 2017, 07:13:22 PM
helly g1
eick g2
nola g3

does vv or eff get g4?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 23, 2017, 08:13:38 PM
Eflin is a fifth starter according to you
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 23, 2017, 08:20:48 PM
Eflin is a fifth starter according to you

he most likely is a fifth starter
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 24, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
phils gonna get kershaw on sunday
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 24, 2017, 01:15:11 PM
Nola to the DL with a lower back strain

Pivetta likely to start

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 25, 2017, 09:15:01 PM
alfaro with 2 straight 3 hit games that include a homer

jp not even hitting 100 but this guy is lookin legit
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2017, 10:48:07 PM
JP 0-4 and at .089
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 26, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
kershaw vs. pivetta on sunday
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
Motherfarging MAIK MAIK!

PS - Rupp sucks.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 26, 2017, 08:21:53 PM
Nice awareness there from Galvis.  fargin meathead. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2017, 08:32:43 PM
I don't blame him too much there

Stanton make a miracle catch
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 27, 2017, 12:11:15 AM
phils win, mets lose

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 27, 2017, 01:26:23 PM
someone needs to explain to me why herrera was so hell bent on running there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 27, 2017, 01:32:31 PM
not sure he picked the right pitch but getting to 3rd with 1 out isnt a horrible idea
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 27, 2017, 02:06:07 PM
he tried to steal 3rd he wasnt going from first to third....thats a horrible idea with a pitcher who is truggling and a hot clean up hitter at the plate
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 27, 2017, 03:05:41 PM
thats what happens on a day after a night game and daniel nava is playing left field
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 27, 2017, 03:18:08 PM
incredible slide by saunders
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 27, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
i was about to comment about how brock stassi sucks then he did that
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 27, 2017, 03:18:37 PM
Nice slide by Saunders.  Thought he was out for sure after he rounded third in record slug time.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 27, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
i was about to comment about how brock stassi sucks then he did that

3 for his last 6

.500!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 27, 2017, 04:51:06 PM
last year's april/may run was a big pile of BS. this is not.

the phillies obviously are not a playoff team but they are playing legit good baseball now. enjoy.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on April 27, 2017, 04:52:09 PM
Todd, welcome to the dark side.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 27, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
last year's april/may run was a big pile of BS. this is not.

the phillies obviously are not a playoff team but they are playing legit good baseball now. enjoy.

80?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on April 27, 2017, 05:58:44 PM
Still has a BS-y feel to me. Let's see some games outside of that crap division.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 27, 2017, 06:02:08 PM
Let's see some games outside of that crap division.

you ask and you shall receive

13 of next 15 dodgers cubs nats
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 27, 2017, 06:57:58 PM
Saunders' slide was amazing.  So damn good.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 11:03:35 PM
Rupp sucks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 29, 2017, 11:47:14 AM
things about to get real ugly real fast with this dodgers/cubs trip
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 30, 2017, 12:20:49 AM
Is anyone else watching this meltdown?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 30, 2017, 12:21:47 AM
unfortunately me

but i dont really care

flyers phantoms had all world nights
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 30, 2017, 12:23:38 AM
do the phillies have a pitching coach
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 30, 2017, 12:24:07 AM
Three pitches, three missiles.  And Mackanin leaves him in there. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 30, 2017, 12:25:35 AM
leaving him in there is whatever....how has there not been a mound visit tho
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 30, 2017, 12:27:04 AM
Oh.  There he is.  To pull him.  He is a worthless POS. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on April 30, 2017, 12:37:22 AM
Lol.  Perfect. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on April 30, 2017, 12:50:37 AM
Why was Neris ever out there? He's pitched a ton in the last 10 days it feels like.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on April 30, 2017, 12:51:09 AM
you know who wouldve gotten those outs? vince velasquez
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on April 30, 2017, 09:30:36 AM
Glad I went to bed.  fargin' Phils.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on April 30, 2017, 05:32:00 PM
I saw pivetta a couple times in as last year and he was borderline pudgy

lost s ton of weight
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 01, 2017, 01:41:51 AM
Glad I went to bed.  fargin' Phils.

Glad I went to the high school state baseball championships
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 01, 2017, 02:03:40 AM
And good God almighty enough already of Jeanmar Gomez. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2017, 02:54:30 AM
Saved myself money this weekend by not betting on them
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2017, 09:43:45 PM
Old Face Tommy!!

Btw they delayed the game for awhile and still started in a monsoon. Stupid.

But Phils up 4-0 yay
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2017, 10:00:48 PM
They're smoking Anderson

6-0
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 01, 2017, 10:04:57 PM
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c388/geowhizzer/gashousegorillas.gif)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 01, 2017, 10:30:43 PM
this was their 1 winnable game in the series so hey they might win it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 01, 2017, 10:32:15 PM
LOL at VV backing out of the box like a little leaguer on a called strike.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2017, 11:01:04 PM
Helluva play by Altherr
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2017, 11:05:48 PM
Vinnie the nibbler in trouble

31 pitches this inning. Two walks and a HBP
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 01, 2017, 11:18:06 PM
hopefully he goes 5 so he can get the win!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 01, 2017, 11:22:32 PM
Stupid approach against the flailing Baez

He grooves a farging meatball and gives up an 0-2 homer
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 01, 2017, 11:31:13 PM
5 innings. the win. phew.

if this is as good as it can get for vv just move him to the pen. hes a 5 inning pitcher and that aint good enough.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 02, 2017, 01:22:30 AM
well shtein, that was fun tonight.  VV needs to go to the pen now.  Once again he almost throws 100 pitches through 5. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2017, 08:18:27 PM
Gritty little spark plug Nava doing gritty little things to win
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Four more two out runs on some bullshtein

Freddy actually threw one off the mound - from short stop

Goddamn this team
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 03, 2017, 10:20:06 PM
yeah i second that....farg this zesty rebuilding team that is like four years away from being good!!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 03, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
two big hits came on pitches way out of the strike zone....good hitters doing good things

phils melted down a bit there as would be expected with a terrible team in the world champs house. also this is 2 starts in a row mack doesnt let eickhoff finish the inning because....because....farg you you fossil
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 03, 2017, 10:25:10 PM
the amazing thing about pulling eickhoff tonight is he leaves him in against the lefty heyward who he went 3-0 on in every single one of his at bats but then pulls him for lefty montero the number 8 hitter...if you are going to pull him for the leftys then just do it before heyward or leave him in to finish it up

of course non of that happens if nava catches a ball that just about every LF catches without even diving
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2017, 10:25:29 PM
yeah i second that....farg this zesty rebuilding team that is like four years away from being good!!

Picture me trollin'
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 03, 2017, 11:05:12 PM
mack has no plan to win this game unless they score 2 in the 9th

i mean they wont even get 1 but the only guys left in the pen are neris, leiter who threw 60 pitches yesterday and the terrible jenmar gomez who threw a bunch of pitches on sunday

maybe dont use joelly and ramos to get 1 out i dont know?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 03, 2017, 11:19:27 PM
7/14 losses are by one run

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 03, 2017, 11:25:46 PM
why did tommy Joseph bat in the ninth and not saunders
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 04, 2017, 09:16:48 AM
i was more angry about knapp.

galvis drew a 5 pitch walk and the 0-0 pitch to knapp got galvis to 2nd. what does knapp do 1-0? swings at a high fastball and flys out to center. garbage player.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 04, 2017, 09:33:29 AM
knapp vs wade davis is never going to end well for knapp

how you bring out TJ over saunders tho is beyond me
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 04, 2017, 10:18:14 AM
youre kinda splitting hairs with tommy jo vs. knapp....which one sucks more? i dont know.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 04, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
well knapp can bat lefty and is also the catcher...i dont think he was ever being taken out there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 04, 2017, 03:10:50 PM
cesar two out bunt base hit....stolen base....score from 2nd on play at home single
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 04, 2017, 04:09:34 PM
can kingery play ss
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2017, 04:41:45 PM
Cesar was safe at 2nd on trying to stretch into a double. Mack should have default challenged that shtein

Oh look Old Face k's with the bases loaded
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Rupp did something good for once this year

Cesar with a four hit game!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2017, 05:06:05 PM
goddamn bullpen
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 04, 2017, 05:07:16 PM
eflin didnt get the win so he didnt pitch well
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2017, 05:19:22 PM
21 homers allowed by relievers
41 allowed as a staff

Both most in baseball
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 04, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
Goddamn Galvis

1-6 road trip

Led in every farging game
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 04, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
why on earth did joely get a third inning....mack is one stupid mf'er
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 04, 2017, 09:10:37 PM
lieter threw 60 pitches on tuesday and couldnt go
nishek didnt feel right after warming up and sitting down
neris is only allowed to come in when the lead is between 1-3 runs because of a statistic

i mean galvis cant throw the ball away obviously but jesus christ mack is horrible
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 02:36:10 PM
stras v. pivetta
tba v. vv
roark v. helly

nats destroy the bank every time they come and avg almost 7 runs a game this year....how many do they score this series....and how bad does pivetta get murdered
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 04:59:10 PM
stras v. pivetta
tba v. vv
roark v. helly

nats destroy the bank every time they come and avg almost 7 runs a game this year....how many do they score this series....and how bad does pivetta get murdered

phils sweep go phils!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 05, 2017, 05:02:53 PM
shtein I'm just worried VV will be at 97 pitches after 3 innings.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 06:00:31 PM
just bet O17 runs for the series with sunny for our next bar tab
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 05, 2017, 06:48:44 PM
sunny

?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 07:08:16 PM
woooo sit down trea turner on 96
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 07:17:51 PM
the line is moving home early
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 07:22:26 PM
line be stopped
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
27 run pace
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 07:30:05 PM
after one prorated for series

nats runs 27
nats hits - 108

phillies runs - 0
phillies hits - 0
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 07:33:39 PM
pitcher yard
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 07:37:38 PM
that was down and in he hit out to the deepest part of the park

is there anything stras cant do besides stay healthy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2017, 07:43:12 PM
Another homer and another one with two strikes

So maddening
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 07:43:52 PM
how maddening
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
how maddening

lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:15:04 PM
i apologize to nick.....hes been ok thus far
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:23:27 PM
how bad is tommy joseph
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:27:58 PM
you pretty much gotta do anything but a K there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 08:33:18 PM
extra arm in the pen you gotta PH nava for pivetta there

not sure theyll have a better chance to score
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:35:28 PM
nah...let the kid come out for the meat of the order

phils arent trying to win games
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:37:11 PM
will zimm go down as the best free agent pick up in the history of fantasy baseball?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
good thing they left pivetta in
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:39:26 PM
good thing they left pivetta in

k jay

fight for every win
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 08:43:24 PM
pivetta sucks...who cares about him going through the meat of the order for the 3rd time

you play to win the game
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:44:56 PM
yeah in baseball you really dont
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:48:40 PM
the phillies have spent three years getting a prospect as good as stras turner or harper and they dont even have one as good as anthony rendon in their system
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 08:49:48 PM
yes they should def lose every game and draft mickey moniak again in a year and a half
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:50:42 PM
yes they should def lose every game and draft mickey moniak again in a year and a half

no they should try as hard as they can to win on may 5th of a travesty of a year
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 08:51:39 PM
i dont see how pinch hitting for your fill in quad A pitcher to bring in another fill in quad A pitcher is that big of a deal
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 08:52:28 PM
no one said its a big deal but its a way bigger deal than trying to win this game which is what you seem really worried about
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:03:13 PM
yes trying to win the game would be the point of participating....in the game

am i throwing my remote at the tv or losing sleep over this? of course not.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:08:49 PM
if rupp had enough ABs to qualify, he would be 2nd among NL catchers in OPS

how bou dah
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:12:29 PM
you play to win the game

i thought we already established how ridiculous that was but ok sweet
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:13:45 PM
i dont even understand what youre going for...are you saying it doesnt matter because theyre bad so whatever
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2017, 09:14:49 PM
Why even watch igy?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2017, 09:16:35 PM
119 pitches in six and they can't score

Shocking that Straburg is hurt again tho.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:18:49 PM
Why even watch igy?

unlike you guys i dont watch for team wins and losses i watch for individual players....but hey if 77 wins instead of 73 floats your boat more power to you
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:20:15 PM
hope you get a nice look at pivetta....what an individual player he is
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2017, 09:20:48 PM
Professional fan.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:21:59 PM
hope you get a nice look at pivetta....what an individual player he is

lets win tomorrow and sunday we need this series
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:25:21 PM
yea thats me....

two days ago you were discussing mack's terrible moves but i guess today thats not ok? or something. i dont know.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2017, 09:25:53 PM
Igy watching like all he cares about is fantasy stats...just gotta see single players!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:27:23 PM
Igy watching like all he cares about is fantasy stats

wow this could be an all time bad take.....even for you
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
two days ago you were discussing mack's terrible moves but i guess today thats not ok? or something. i dont know.

thats a big picture thing that he has no business being the manager of any teamp...its also to laugh at him...youll never hear me scream for him to be replaced by tony larussa because hes costing them wins
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
extra arm in the pen you gotta PH nava for pivetta there

not sure theyll have a better chance to score

yea i apologize this was way over the top

i was screaming and i just...i need to tone it down
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
extra arm in the pen you gotta PH nava for pivetta there

not sure theyll have a better chance to score

good thing they left pivetta in

HAVE to pinch hit there the run is so important...they might not ever have a chance to come back....100 year old nava batting for pivetta means EVERYTHING!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2017, 09:36:40 PM
What's the drink of choice tonight Skip Havless?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:38:58 PM
hes in rare form tonight good lord

i think he works from home on fridays or doesnt work on fridays so OG has been going hard for hours
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:39:02 PM
Skip Havless?

this makes less sense than your last post....you in a duel with yourself?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2017, 09:40:48 PM
I'm going with old fashioned's tonight

Too cliche to go Mexican themed

Havas' posts have been as awful as Maik Maik's swing there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:42:10 PM
hes in rare form tonight good lord

i think he works from home on fridays or doesnt work on fridays so OG has been going hard for hours

i dont work on fridays but thats not it...i just dont care if the phillies win and yes id rather see a young gun pitch another inning against the the opponents meat than daniel farging nava get an at bat

i dont even know why this is a thing

you two are clownin as usual
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
the amazing thing about pulling eickhoff tonight is he leaves him in against the lefty heyward who he went 3-0 on in every single one of his at bats but then pulls him for lefty montero the number 8 hitter...if you are going to pull him for the leftys then just do it before heyward or leave him in to finish it up

of course non of that happens if nava catches a ball that just about every LF catches without even diving

CALM DOWN DONT WORRY
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:46:48 PM
holy crap that ball was in the catchers glove for a good half second before saunders swung
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 09:47:20 PM
the amazing thing about pulling eickhoff tonight is he leaves him in against the lefty heyward who he went 3-0 on in every single one of his at bats but then pulls him for lefty montero the number 8 hitter...if you are going to pull him for the leftys then just do it before heyward or leave him in to finish it up

of course non of that happens if nava catches a ball that just about every LF catches without even diving

CALM DOWN DONT WORRY

im only worried for you and j...and not even that much...just because i care a little
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
whatever youre making can you bring it to the opener
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
this romero is straight filth
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
lil guy heres your boy

maybe a rally starter!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 05, 2017, 10:05:39 PM
the amazing thing about pulling eickhoff tonight is he leaves him in against the lefty heyward who he went 3-0 on in every single one of his at bats but then pulls him for lefty montero the number 8 hitter...if you are going to pull him for the leftys then just do it before heyward or leave him in to finish it up

of course non of that happens if nava catches a ball that just about every LF catches without even diving

CALM DOWN DONT WORRY

im only worried for you and j...and not even that much...just because i care a little

Awwww you really like us!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 10:07:01 PM
lil guy heres your boy

maybe a rally starter!

not as good as pivetta at starting a rally
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 10:07:30 PM
the amazing thing about pulling eickhoff tonight is he leaves him in against the lefty heyward who he went 3-0 on in every single one of his at bats but then pulls him for lefty montero the number 8 hitter...if you are going to pull him for the leftys then just do it before heyward or leave him in to finish it up

of course non of that happens if nava catches a ball that just about every LF catches without even diving

CALM DOWN DONT WORRY

im only worried for you and j...and not even that much...just because i care a little

Awwww you really like us!

barely
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 10:13:55 PM
neris throwing his split and getting outs

go figure

bloop and a blast now...man would win be HUGE here im talking BIG BIG stuff #gophils
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
holy shtein is matt albers straight trash
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 10:21:29 PM
just farging hack away odie
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 10:28:44 PM
holy shtein is matt albers straight trash

trash goin through murderers row
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 10:33:11 PM
odubel herrera is worthless...i find it really difficult to even watch him anymore
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 10:47:17 PM
but it doesnt matter right
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 05, 2017, 10:53:11 PM
it matters a lot in terms of the future of the franchise and whether hes a piece

but this stuff is irrelevant to you and j...just win tonight baby
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 05, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
god damn right....all about WINNING GAMES baby

nothing more important. such a huge game tomorrow. lets get it back #gophils
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 05, 2017, 11:30:38 PM
odubel herrera is worthless...i find it really difficult to even watch him anymore

Had this same conversation with my buddy this afternoon.  Not liking what we're seeing.  horrible AB there in the ninth.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 07:37:07 PM
matt szcur was daf'ed by the cubs....thinking the phils will make a claim

but how good are the cubs that they had to dfa him to get an extra arm in their pen.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 08:24:17 PM
this is next level insane for that big of a sample size

Quote
Ryan Zimmerman is batting .500/.535/1.078 over his last 17 games played. He has 20 R, 17 XBH, & 27 RBI during that span.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 08:50:42 PM
vv 70 pitches into the 6th is a miracle
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 08:57:51 PM
vv 70 pitches into the 6th is a miracle

six runs is not
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 06, 2017, 08:58:24 PM
Was just about to post the same thing on VV. 

Oh farg, this is all done.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 06, 2017, 09:00:43 PM
this is next level insane for that big of a sample size

Quote
Ryan Zimmerman is batting .500/.535/1.078 over his last 17 games played. He has 20 R, 17 XBH, & 27 RBI during that span.

Like Kruk said tonight, the baseball Gods are looking down on this guy.  He is unstoppable right now.  Wanted to strangle Saunders but that was a laser shot lost in the lights.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2017, 09:00:50 PM
Five Inning Vin strikes again

Nice IBB of Rendon too, Pete
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 06, 2017, 09:03:50 PM
and the next POS white trash that boo's Werth should be set on fire and pushed from the upper level onto the concourse below.  Foken eh', it was 7 years ago.  Let it go.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 09:05:39 PM
how the farg did saunders make an all star team
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
how the farg did saunders make an all star team

domonic brown made one too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
i like what hes doing for the same reason we all argued about last night with pivetta but im still shocked mack has vv in there down 6-1 with almost a hundred pitches
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 09:12:52 PM
and he worked it 123 after getting lit by rendon
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 09:34:50 PM
not the same

1) vv is a mlb pitcher, pivetta is not
2) this game isnt winnable
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 09:37:06 PM
not the same

1) vv is a mlb pitcher, pivetta is not
2) this game isnt winnable

they are the same and no wins mean anything


mike trout leads the AL with 20 XBH.....zimm has 25
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 09:44:22 PM
no win means anything but you should try to win the game as best as you can...this includes pinch hitting for the worthless nick pivetta in the 4th inning
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 09:48:12 PM
nah run your young arms out there so not to baby them...we gons get grown up

i get your point tho...that pat neshak inning is really important
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
it wouldve been jake thompson...another young arm!! young arm!!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2017, 10:20:25 PM
Five in a row and 8/9

 :-[
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
you gonna be ok buddy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2017, 10:28:45 PM
I'd like to see some progress and maybe bring up Roman and Alfaro and Hoskins?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 10:31:14 PM
I'd like to see some progress and maybe bring up Roman and Alfaro and Hoskins?

lol

bring em all up!!!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2017, 10:33:11 PM
Why not? I'd like to hear your reasoning against this.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 10:42:45 PM
you sound like a neanderthal 975 caller

hoskins has had 1 month of AAA....his numbers are very good and hes walking enough...but its 1 month. revisit this one in early june.

alfaro has had 1 month of AAA.....his numbers are pretty good but his 26 k - 2 bb ratio is a disgrace....most of all this is his last option year and he needs to play as much as possible before 2018. im thinking hell come up august/sept, split time with rupp in 18 and have the job to himself by 19. 

quinn is OPSing 603 at AAA. moving on.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2017, 10:44:48 PM
Ah yes. Good answer. That settled that, then.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 10:45:20 PM
you sound like a neanderthal 975 caller

hoskins has had 1 month of AAA....his numbers are very good and hes walking enough...but its 1 month. revisit this one in early june.

alfaro has had 1 month of AAA.....his numbers are pretty good but his 26 k - 2 bb ratio is a disgrace....most of all this is his last option year and he needs to play as much as possible before 2018. im thinking hell come up august/sept, split time with rupp in 18 and have the job to himself by 19. 

quinn is OPSing 603 at AAA. moving on.

whats your point?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 06, 2017, 10:50:04 PM
my point is call up roman quinn! call up the kids lets see how they do!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2017, 10:52:10 PM
Well igy doesn't care since winning doesn't matter

And mds is cool with this slop on the field

We good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 06, 2017, 10:55:22 PM
my point is call up roman quinn! call up the kids lets see how they do!

whats so nuts is that j has no idea that every level of their system is affected by the one above it....so bring half of lehigh valley up and then you have have everyone else in the system getting raped by having to move up to places they have no business being
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 06, 2017, 11:46:38 PM
Yeah I'm clueless. Not like I haven't been watching baseball since they rocked a rotation of Rawley, Ruffin, Carman and other assorted bums
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 07, 2017, 12:43:01 AM
congrats
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 07, 2017, 12:58:26 AM
And mds is cool with this slop on the field

We good

calling up a bunch of players who arent ready isnt going to change that....what did you think was going to happen this year with the talent on this roster? not to mention, theyve played the 3 best teams in the NL the last week and got beat accordingly.

but yea call up roman quinn and he'll be the playoff sparkplug
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 07, 2017, 04:30:14 PM
Par for the course so far today
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 07, 2017, 05:14:44 PM
Did I say 65 wins?   I may have been overly optimistic.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 07, 2017, 07:00:41 PM
i went and they won

it was me
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 07, 2017, 09:05:34 PM
Altherr has been really good the first month.  Hopefully he can keep it up.  Unfortunately, Von Brown sticks in my mind.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 07, 2017, 10:20:19 PM
god i hate baseball fans
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 07, 2017, 11:47:16 PM
go on
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 08, 2017, 01:32:54 AM
Rebuild and enjoy my friends.  I survived the "rebuilds" of the 70's, the 80's, the 90's, the 00's and damn I'll survive the 10's.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 08, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
matt szcur was daf'ed by the cubs....thinking the phils will make a claim

but how good are the cubs that they had to dfa him to get an extra arm in their pen.

Went to San Diego

And Choke was released by the Braves
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2017, 08:35:01 PM
Way to farg off a 4-0 lead Eickhoff

3-2/3 innings of pure shtein
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2017, 09:16:37 PM
Altherr continuing to hit the ball hard

Hope he stays healthy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 09, 2017, 09:31:52 PM
Don't make Igy hate baseball fans...
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 09, 2017, 10:09:40 PM
Way to farg off a 4-0 lead Eickhoff

3-2/3 innings of pure shtein

deep breaths
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2017, 10:49:18 PM
farg that and farg this team and their god farging awful piece of shtein pitching

farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 09, 2017, 10:53:51 PM
eh now youre trying too hard

HERE comes the walk off
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 09, 2017, 10:56:06 PM
Eickhoff was dog shtein and this bullpen is horse shtein.

AA looking good.  How embarrassing, walking ODH to get to Franco.  The benefit of batting.208
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 09, 2017, 10:58:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx4bK_QWQAATgcS.jpg)

... and they still stink!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 09, 2017, 11:01:59 PM
HA!  How about Clorox?  Napalm?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 09, 2017, 11:02:29 PM
on the bright side they could use another top 10 pick i guess i dont know

manny machado is good. just wait.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 09, 2017, 11:03:21 PM
eh now youre trying too hard

HERE comes the walk off

No I'm not. Im sick of zesty baseball.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 09, 2017, 11:17:03 PM
lol well you got another year, maybe 3 to go

but jp had 2 hits today! progress!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 10, 2017, 09:11:21 AM
its going to have been like three/four years of rebuilding and what they got out of it was hopefully one outfielder (altherr) and possibly a #5 starter

yes they have stuff in the system but all those are unknowns....the stuff at the major league level so far is pretty much straight garbage

the clearwater/lakewood rotations better produce something
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 10, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
on the bright side they could use another top 10 pick

thats not being greedy enough....obviously real early still but they are two games away from having the least amount of wins in the majors...theres no super hot garbage teams this year either and five of the six teams currently last in their division are teams with decent talent and who have a good pedigree over the last handful of years

kansas city
san fran
texas
toronto
pittsburgh
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 10, 2017, 11:41:38 AM
of course hunter greene will be in this years draft. the phillies miss him but get mickey moniak
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 10, 2017, 11:44:48 AM
worst part of moniak is that hell probably play in the majors for 12 years but will be a 5th OF so he will torture and remind forever

id much rather have drafted brien taylor just so it could all be over real quick and we can move on
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 10, 2017, 03:48:06 PM
i love me some chooch but its terrible of the fans to chooooooch him and cheer when he hits a bases loaded double in the 7th inning of a one run gang....just embarrassing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 10, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
theres 1000 people in pro baseball who can throw 95 and get people out and the phillies have 0 of them
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 10, 2017, 05:14:31 PM
Aaron Altherr good

Glad I forgot my iPad today and saved myself the trouble of watching.

zesty ass team
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 11, 2017, 09:21:05 AM
They re-upped Pete The Bungler for two more years (actually it's just thru next year with an option for 2019). 

Seriously. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 11, 2017, 09:31:39 AM
theyre going to be terrible again in 2018 so it doesnt really matter who the manager is...might as well make mack sit through 162 games of crap again.

if hes the manager in 2020 then we got a problem
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 11, 2017, 09:44:47 AM
Kicking it down the road is exactly what loser franchises do.  You think the Yankees would re-up that clown?

Please...
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 11, 2017, 10:24:00 AM
you do realize theres no possible way theyre good in 2018.

im sure if joe maddon or tito francona become available they wouldnt hesitate to jump but all theyre doing is punting here.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 11, 2017, 10:38:24 AM
You think the Yankees

stop


Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 11, 2017, 10:40:45 AM
I don't know why I even bother. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 11, 2017, 04:54:58 PM
2019
c - alfaro
1b - x
2b - cesar
ss - x
3b - machado
of - altherr, herrera, x
sp - x, x, x, x, x
rp - x, x, x, x, x, x, x
bench - rupp, x, x, x, x

long way to go.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: phillycrew on May 12, 2017, 09:25:55 AM
2019
c - alfaro
1b - Hoskins
2b - cesar
ss - Galvis
3b - Franco
of - altherr, herrera, Williams
sp - Nola, Eflin, Pivetta, x (Harvey), Lively
rp - VV, Diekman, x, x, x, x, x
bench - Rupp, Quinn, Crawford, Stassi, Valentin

long way to go.

I'll bite.  I would throw the money at pitching, if the right FA are available.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 12, 2017, 09:51:36 AM
if that is their roster in 2019 one of two things will be true

1. they will either be going for the #1 overall pick again
2. the development of their system will be the best in major league history
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 12, 2017, 10:34:58 AM
they arent filling out 24/25 roster spots with internal options...that doesnt happen.

IF you assume alfaro, herrera and hernandez are going to be mainstays, you don't need that much more in your lineup to come from your system. out of the 8 position players, if 5 are "internal" and 3 are free agents/trades, you're doing it right.

finding those extra 1-2 players, maybe 1 with a platoon, i dont know. oh yea and pitching. thats inching toward disaster.

also diekman is in texas. jake diekman!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 12, 2017, 10:40:11 AM
i would not have herrera penciled in anywhere....to me he's 50/50 at best as a full time major leaguer....i literally could see him as a borderline all star in three years or out of the majors....hes teetering on disaster...i would have already traded him to get max value
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 12, 2017, 10:42:57 AM
im only doing that because of the contract...its not a big enough deal that they cant just eat but theres a reason they gave it to him

but i mean nothing with them is a lock. cesar was 1 step away from being out of the majors this time last year and altherr was so middling they grabbed kendrick and saunders in the offseason. dom brown also had a good month. alfaro, of course, hasnt made it up yet.

the only lock is machado and im only saying that for my own sanity
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 12, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
if that is their roster in 2019 one of two things will be true

1. they will either be going for the #1 overall pick again
2. the development of their system will be the best in major league history

3. I take up Meth
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 13, 2017, 07:26:50 PM
ian happ 2 run hr in his ml debut

jp crawford not playing again for lv
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 07:53:12 PM
But according to you all Phillies minor leaguers should stay there. Can't hit big league homers if you ain't in the show, son.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 13, 2017, 07:54:13 PM
But according to you all Phillies minor leaguers should stay there. Can't hit big league homers if you ain't in the show, son.

shots fired yo!!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 13, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
But according to you all Phillies minor leaguers should stay there. Can't hit big league homers if you ain't in the show, son.

happ has 9 homers in 26 games and a 977 ops. the only one doing that is hoskins, who i already told you will be due for a call up if this keeps up.

keep regurgitating dumb shtein you see on twitter its been working out for you
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 08:14:31 PM
I don't need twitter to guide me, pal.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 13, 2017, 08:16:46 PM
just a coincidence then

my bad
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 08:51:43 PM
Must be because I've not read shtein on twitter today

Point stands tho. You ain't about that call up game
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 13, 2017, 09:00:32 PM
that doesnt make any sense

im for calling them up when theyre ready and it makes sense. the only player who falls into that category is hoskins.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Mentally preparing myself for them to lose this game

Pivetta is in danger
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 09:02:51 PM
farging hell
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 13, 2017, 09:04:54 PM
pivetta is a AAA pitcher going through the best lineup in the NL for the 3rd time today

the hell did you expect
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
Nice excuse homer
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 13, 2017, 09:35:37 PM
its not an excuse, its being real. and that was a kid they called up! call up more kids?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 09:44:48 PM
Helluva job by Cesar and ODub to move over the runner

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 10:36:31 PM
And another brutal AB by ODub

0-5 with three K's and double switched out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 10:40:04 PM
Motherfarging hell

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 13, 2017, 10:40:47 PM
harper sucks dude

overrated
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 13, 2017, 10:49:28 PM
He's a ho

farg him
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 01:28:20 PM
Shots fired

Quote
Bob McClure on Phils pregame show "I might have to start calling pitches." Couldn't believe the "catcher" called for fastball on Harper
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on May 14, 2017, 01:54:09 PM
Maybe he should coach better.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 02:01:00 PM
Rupp has been lousy all season. He sucks.

McClure isn't great either but at some point it's on the pitchers to execute and the catcher to call a game based on the scouting reports

They've just allowed their 55th homer. That isn't on the coach
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 02:03:45 PM
BREAKING news j

the phillies arent good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Thanks, Wolf Blitzer.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 02:10:48 PM
The Phillies have 20 losses:

- 15 were by 2 runs or fewer
- 12 were against WAS, LAD, CHC
- 5 were walk-offs
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 02:23:57 PM
BREAKING news j

awful teams lose in many ways
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 02:45:47 PM
Stepping up the breaking news game are ya?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 03:04:11 PM
56 homers allowed

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 03:12:22 PM
56 homers allowed

is that good?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 03:16:42 PM
Yeah it's awesome.

And Pete Mack lifted Helly way too soon. Only down 3-0 and he throws like 80 pitches in 5.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 04:27:46 PM
Nice comeback

Now can Neris hold it?!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 04:38:59 PM
And he does.

Nice
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 14, 2017, 06:59:49 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 08:23:25 PM
what a drama queen scherzer is
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 14, 2017, 08:33:06 PM
Rupp has been lousy all season. He sucks.

i mean i dont like rupp but he has the 3rd best ops among catchers...better than molina, contreras, realmuto, weiters. his WAR is on par with them, which essentially means hes got an interchangeable offensive value with just about every catcher in baseball.

his pitch calling isnt great though so theres that. but basically you could do a lot worse offensively than rupp.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 14, 2017, 08:39:00 PM
Ops is really important.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 14, 2017, 08:51:03 PM
Ops is really important.

thats exactly right jef with one farging f

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 14, 2017, 08:58:18 PM
I know. That wasn't sarcasm.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 09:07:27 PM
Die Harper

Jesus
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 14, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
Die Harper

Jesus

how bout your squad gets him out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 09:17:15 PM
Vinny being Vinny

5 IP and a hundred pitches
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 09:38:24 PM
luis garcias forearms are farging gigantic
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Weird observation on your part
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 09:45:11 PM
not sure how i never noticed it before during one of his 500 million call ups
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 09:46:52 PM
this game is slower than me
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 14, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
congrats to j on the rt from uncle les
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 10:07:54 PM
My life is complete
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 10:18:39 PM
natitude
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 10:19:44 PM
farg yeah Freddy!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 14, 2017, 10:28:17 PM
natitude
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 14, 2017, 10:29:28 PM
HA! 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 14, 2017, 10:31:50 PM
"they just can't figure out who their closer is".  Let's give um' a hint, he was the starting pitcher in game 1 for the bums.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 10:40:16 PM
This is farging depressing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on May 14, 2017, 10:43:19 PM
It's almost as if they aren't a good team.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 14, 2017, 10:45:03 PM
This is farging depressing

settle down drama queen
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 14, 2017, 11:00:00 PM
No

It sucks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 14, 2017, 11:51:22 PM
what sucks is corny randy hitting 195 in clearwooder and mickey moniak being a waste of oxygen
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 15, 2017, 09:21:13 AM
I think they are now 5-7 against the best team in baseball

not sure what more you want J from a bad team
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on May 15, 2017, 12:16:37 PM
Also in spite of winning 40% of their games and only 2 of their last 10, they are still in third place and 1.5 games out of second.

This is far from the worst case scenario if you care about winning in 2017. It's a lot happier than the farm system where they are growing the next generation of Phillies losers.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 15, 2017, 12:22:25 PM
sixto has 28 ks in 24 innings with a 0.90 whip at lakewood. hes 19.

kilome has 30 ks in 29 innings but has a 1.36 whip. however, he's yielded just 9 walks. 31 hits in those 29 innings isnt good, but its A ball and who knows if its that bad luck, bad defense or bad scoring decisions, or all 3. or maybe hes just not that good.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 15, 2017, 08:57:00 PM
Don't know how the full season is going, but Cozens hit a massive home run. (http://www.winknews.com/2017/05/15/white-power-painted-on-bonita-springs-middle-school-sign/)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2017, 09:16:41 PM
Saved money by this series being in the middle of the week or else I'd be up there

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on May 16, 2017, 09:38:38 PM
Don't know how the full season is going, but Cozens hit a massive home run. (http://www.winknews.com/2017/05/15/white-power-painted-on-bonita-springs-middle-school-sign/)

Nice link...racist
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 16, 2017, 09:44:10 PM
lololol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2017, 10:19:41 PM
These motherfargers can't lay off the curveball for shtein
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2017, 10:24:49 PM
Goddammit
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2017, 10:47:00 PM
Welp. Good of them to help Napoli bust out of his slump
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 16, 2017, 10:48:08 PM
guy im facing in fantasy has matt bush so that hr to move it out of a save is nice
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 16, 2017, 10:51:49 PM
No one cares.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 16, 2017, 10:53:26 PM
for the 5th straight year theres nothing bigger in philadelphia baseball than my squad

ps is there a bigger waste of matt bush's arm than pitching against the phillies with a 4 run lead
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 16, 2017, 11:01:31 PM
Don't know how the full season is going, but Cozens hit a massive home run. (http://www.winknews.com/2017/05/15/white-power-painted-on-bonita-springs-middle-school-sign/)

Nice link...racist

Ah, shtein.  That's what I get for trying to multitask.  BTW, that's in my school district.  fargers.

Maybe I can give the correct link now. (http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/phillies-prospect-dylan-cozens-sets-coca-cola-park-record-monster-homer)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 17, 2017, 06:28:26 PM
so cole hamels basically said if the rangers dont pick up his option for 19, he wants to come back

he would be 35.

as a frame of reference john lackey went 2/32 for his age 37 and 38 seasons. cole hamels is better and younger. so, there you go.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2017, 09:05:35 PM
He said there's no place better than Philly to play too

The 47 Rangers fans weren't happy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
Eflin getting worked

Phils bats are dead again

farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2017, 09:20:11 PM
Nice wild pitch you farging clown

Had Gallo 0-2 two outs bases empty and hit him

And now she's coming unglued

6-0
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2017, 09:36:07 PM
Helluva job Eflin

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 17, 2017, 09:43:53 PM
hey j have you seen the second season of master of none
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
I don't know what you're talking about

I can't even flip on the basketball game bc that sucks too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 17, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
the union have won 3 in a row
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on May 17, 2017, 10:14:17 PM
ESPN dug up this classic:

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19403627
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2017, 10:21:46 PM
Franco having a great game

Multiple GIDPs and a lousy error there
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 17, 2017, 10:27:54 PM
you wanna take a trip to japan in 19 to see franco
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 18, 2017, 06:50:55 AM
last in the majors in wins

number one overall baby so they can get Mickey moniak jr

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 18, 2017, 12:03:26 PM
pivetta pitching today while franco hits 7th

roman quinn has had a good stretch here too. not sure when the super 2 deadline is but anything after that is getting to be fair game, though i dont see them moving on from saunders this quickly.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2017, 07:28:06 PM
Joely...not a MLB pitcher
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 18, 2017, 08:33:37 PM
pivetta pitching today while franco hits 7th

roman quinn has had a good stretch here too. not sure when the super 2 deadline is but anything after that is getting to be fair game, though i dont see them moving on from saunders this quickly.

I haven't seen anything this delusional since j hentz
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2017, 08:41:41 PM
Did you need twitter to tell you that?

What are these guys 3-15 in their last 18?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 18, 2017, 11:45:18 PM
j you think that roman quinn call up is the big ingredient for a playoff push?

quinn has a 371 obp in may. this is good. lets see where that number is on june 20.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 12:38:34 PM
I yield to your baseball brilliance, Beane Jr.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 19, 2017, 02:05:40 PM
I yield to your baseball brilliance, Beane Jr.

i mean finally

but the beane stuff is so insanely outdated...theo epstein has taken analytics to a different level and won 2 world series for 2 franchises that hadnt won for 100 years. but DURRR moneyball
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 19, 2017, 02:20:51 PM
If J punches you in the face at some point, I hope someone catches it on video. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Eagaholic on May 19, 2017, 02:32:37 PM
 :CF PPV fundraiser. IN

Edit: Also, get?
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/Tim-Tebow-baseball-Mets-Phillies-minor-league-Columbia-Fireflies.html
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 19, 2017, 03:03:12 PM
Can you imagine how the Kenzo trash would treat that fruitcake?

IN IN IN IN IN!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: phattymatty on May 19, 2017, 03:36:17 PM
Ha. That's actually the best article I've read in a long time.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 06:36:18 PM
Why does Adam Morgan keep getting big league time?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 06:37:46 PM
40 man roster crunch
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 19, 2017, 06:59:29 PM
Why does Adam Morgan keep getting big league time?

Because the next Tom Seaver isn't available.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 07:29:33 PM
Release him from the 40 and let someone else pick his ass up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 07:32:39 PM
Fantastic start
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 07:37:32 PM
Release him from the 40 and let someone else pick his ass up

im not going to spend 50 posts getting into the minutiae of the 40 man but its not nearly that simple
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 08:03:20 PM
Sure it is. But whatever it doesn't matter bc he blows and the team is 3-15 in the last 18.

Who is this replacement pbp dood?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 08:04:31 PM
holy farg last 25 games herrera obp is .238
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 08:08:21 PM
He's been zesty. I don't think anyone but Altherr has hit
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 08:54:03 PM
Whoever this pbp dude is and Ben Davis suck
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 09:00:34 PM
all the Phillies announcers do

even kruk is garbage now and I used to like him

doesn't really matter tho as long as McCarthy is there it's going to be unlistenable
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 09:03:39 PM
I like Kruk

I have been mainly listening to the radio. Missed the day games and had to watch the rangers on their station bc I get it here

Wtf ODub and Altherr

Both dumb plays
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 19, 2017, 09:04:21 PM
If J punches you in the face at some point, I hope someone catches it on video.

j loves me and loves the attention  more than you love getting obliterated for a saturday nascar race
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
braves lost Freddie freeman now helly died

race for first overall is gettin real
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 09:22:20 PM
Odds the bullpen blows it?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 09:28:30 PM
Odds the bullpen blows it?

percent chance anyone cares but you?

zero
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 19, 2017, 09:46:55 PM
j honest question

why is it ok for the sixers to suck and rebuild but not ok for the phillies to suck and rebuild?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 09:52:37 PM
I'm fine with the Phillies rebuilding.

But the fact you're asking this shows you don't get it. There's no cap in baseball. NBA is super restrictive and the only way you get good is by having top picks and cap space spent smartly. It takes you forever to get out from awful deals.

Baseball has ways to build and develop the minors without tanking. Money. Sure too picks help assuming you hit on them but you can also hit on that 17th rounder or some Dominican free agent. They'll get years to develop.

And I get pissed at zesty play. Stupid lack of fundamentals. And I hate losing. You used to rip me for wanting the Sixers to win too btw.

As an aside this pbp clown has literally the worst hr call ever
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 09:55:58 PM
I don't get why you want them to play good

you should want the number one pick..their upper system has been a complete disaster...they need to start over and hopefully some of the little kids will develop...add the best players possible to that
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 19, 2017, 09:55:59 PM
you went in like 8 different directions with that

so youre mad the phillies havent hit on some fluky 10th round pick 5 years ago or a random stud dominican? therefore nick pivetta and jeremy hellickson need to pitch well?

the sixers played like complete and utter garbage the past 5 years outside of the embiid january run but i never saw you losing your mind about ish smith missing a jumper or furkan aldamer getting lost on transition defense.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
Basketball is a different situation like I said. You have to have the top lotto picks. I still didn't like losing though.

Baseball is my game. I love all sports but baseball is my number one. I hate having my summer ruined by zesty baseball.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 19, 2017, 10:02:25 PM
get very used to it

also I knew that and was just about to say it...you don't care if the sixers suck but would be happy if they are good...where as Phillies are your love
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 19, 2017, 10:08:14 PM
also I knew that and was just about to say it...you don't care if the sixers suck but would be happy if they are good...where as Phillies are your love

yea i mean this is it...and its fine theres no rule saying you have to love all 4 and love them equally.

Basketball is a different situation like I said. You have to have the top lotto picks.


i mean the warriors didnt draft curry or klay in the top 3. kawahi wasnt a top 10 pick. isaiah thomas was the last pick of the draft. so not exactly. but that doesnt mean tanking was wrong, as big of a scam as it was.

but turning a baseball team around is like turning a cargo ship around...it takes TIME. the phillies destroyed their farm system from 08-11 to win titles. they waited 2 years too long to tear it down. in 2014 when they finally blew it up, they had zilch in their system. their system is better now but devoid of elite talent.

they do have money to spend but no players to spend it on...until 2019! its 2017 now. trust the process.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 19, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
I do care if the Sixers suck.

But yes baseball and the Phillies are my jawn. I love the game.

I love football and liked playing it
I love baseball and loved playing it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on May 21, 2017, 02:20:26 PM
Can someone teach me how to fan?  I don't think I'm doing it right.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 21, 2017, 04:45:12 PM
Can someone teach me how to fan?  I don't think I'm doing it right.
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Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 21, 2017, 08:14:57 PM
Can someone teach me how to fan?  I don't think I'm doing it right.

you start by not losing your mind over nick pivetta and michael saunders
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 21, 2017, 08:42:01 PM
Can someone teach me how to fan?

type "yous" on a message board whenever possible even if youve never said it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 21, 2017, 08:51:47 PM
infamous eagles homer reuben frank killin the phillies on twitter asking who is accountable.....meanwhile hes balls deep in jeffery luries behind and they havent won in 57 years
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 21, 2017, 09:35:41 PM
scott kingery hit 2 more homers today

id hate to see them take at bats away from prized talent jesmuel valentin but
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 21, 2017, 09:41:05 PM
they both suck
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 21, 2017, 09:42:21 PM
how drunk are you right now
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 21, 2017, 09:47:32 PM
take your drunkest night ever and multiply it by a 100

depression is the strongest elixir
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 22, 2017, 09:43:22 AM
what exactly did odubel do the draw the wrath of cataldi
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 22, 2017, 12:13:09 PM
Who knows...I didn't see Saturday's game and yesterday I don't recall him doing anything yell worthy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 22, 2017, 10:12:11 PM
Just farging kill me
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 23, 2017, 06:21:10 AM
what exactly did odubel do the draw the wrath of cataldi

Grounding out to the catcher on Sunday probably added fire to the wrath.  Top ninth during Sunday's game at Pittsburgh he hit a ball that dribbled out, barely past home plate that I guess he thought was foul. He just stood there and never left the box.  Not that he'd have beaten a throw to first but he stood there and the catcher just reached over and tagged him out.  "Unassisted 2" doesn't look good in the scorebook.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on May 23, 2017, 09:27:32 AM
But the rest of their scorebook doesn't look good in the scorebook.  Unassisted 2 probably blends right in.
 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 23, 2017, 11:38:00 AM
I'm as big a Phils fan as they come, and I'm having a hard time watching this dreck. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on May 23, 2017, 12:17:08 PM
I've watched bits and pieces of a few games here and there.  I can tolerate watching bad Eagles football for a season because it's only 16 games, but I'm not watching 162 games of bad baseball. Hell, even if they're good I'd be pushing it to catch much more than half of their games on TV. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 23, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
the last 5 years have been terrible but the last 30 days or so have been the most disheartening

i dont care that theyre losing...theyre a bad team, whatever....its how and how the potential pieces have performed. they have to be somewhat promising by the end of 2018 in order to be an appealing destination for machado and others in that FA class. if theyre not, the time table gets pushed back basically indefinitely.

im not ready for a CALL UP THE KIDS rant but jesus christ throw tommy joseph and michael saunders into a fire
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2017, 04:47:03 PM
I can't even describe the anger i get watching that slop...makes me want to fight
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 23, 2017, 05:06:08 PM
My good buddy here is a die hard bums fan, not a homer, he gets it.  He has been preaching to me the past year to just relax and enjoy the rebuild and have no expectations.  Like I said, true fan but not a homer.  He just sent me the official "I'm sick and tired of this shtein!  I'm done!" text. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2017, 08:20:09 PM
I farging hate this piece of shtein team.

Someone get Doogie Klentak a farging clue on how to build a god damn team.

farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 23, 2017, 08:50:21 PM
if nothing else j's unhinged irrational ramblings are entertaining
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
Turned the shtein off

farg them

Burn the stadium down
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 23, 2017, 10:36:53 PM
there was a time when lil guy had them in wc contention this year i think...next year at the latest....at the start of the rebuild i had their timeline at 5-10 years....it might be 5-7 right farging now...i knew their kids would be way worse than everyone thought but i didnt even think it would be this bad
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 23, 2017, 10:42:15 PM
i had them in competition in 17 IF they started the rebuild 2 years earlier than they did

i still think 19 could be decent on paper but thats in serious jeopardy. if they cant put something promising on the field to give them the ammo to sign free agents over the next two winters then yea we're looking 5-7 years from now.

ive been saying it for a few years now their elite talent is going to have to come from outside the org because theres none of that inside...but if youre losing 100 games a year manny machado isnt even taking a meeting
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2017, 11:26:59 PM
Other than Altherr showing some flashes what has been good about this season? Cesar being good for a minute?

I had more fun watching the zesty 80-90's teams
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
This is disgusting

6-0 in the third

They've hit for the cycle in this inning alone
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 24, 2017, 09:52:02 PM
what's disgusting?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 24, 2017, 10:25:05 PM
This is disgusting

6-0 in the third

They've hit for the cycle in this inning alone

Gave up and went for a classic. 
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Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 24, 2017, 11:49:55 PM
what's disgusting?

since drafting hamels in the first round in 2002, here's what theyve done

03 - no pick for signing thome -- necessary and justifiable move
04 - greg golson -- ed wade's last hurrah. next pick was glen perkins, who wound up being a nice reliever
05 - no pick for signing jon lieber -- lieber was a fine pitcher but not worth giving up a 1st
06 - kyle drabek -- arm troubles ruined his career but he was a big part of the halladay trade, so a good pick all in all
07 - joe savery -- pathetic. 15 picks later todd frazier from toms rivers was picked.
08 - anthony hewitt -- embarrassing. gerritt cole went 4 picks but didnt sign
09 - no pick for signing ibanez -- they were trying to win world series. cant blame them.
10 - jesse biddle -- lol. 11 picks later? noah syndergaard.
11-  no pick for signing cliff lee -- horrible move in retrospec but literally everyone in the city creamed their pants over this when it happened.
12 - no pick for signing papelbon -- not much needs to be said here. romey loved this signing btw
13 - jp -- very likely sucks
14 - nola -- mid rotation starter if he stays healthy
15 - corny randy -- garbage
16 - the mick -- waste of space

they went on a burrell-myers-utley-floyd-hamels run from 1998-02 so this was bound to happen....but instead of freaking out of a worthless loss in may, freak out over THIS.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 25, 2017, 04:30:27 PM
holy shtein is odubel herrera awful
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 25, 2017, 07:42:24 PM
Jesus, did I just see he struck out 5 times today?  He is awful.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 25, 2017, 09:58:13 PM
where my man j at....his boys won. good day.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 26, 2017, 02:23:32 AM
0-5 5k's means platinum sombrero

Didn't watch or listen to an inning today
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 26, 2017, 07:25:00 AM
The June Swoon came a month early this year.  Probably global warming. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 26, 2017, 08:55:02 AM
jp had his obp up to 315 a few days ago

since then hes 0/16 with 1 walk. 175/291/221 slash line.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 27, 2017, 08:20:07 PM
Watch the replay of Saunders bomb on CSN.  As he rounds first base one of the Phillies in the dugout is having an out of body experience celebrating.  "YES!! We're only 12.5 out!"
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 29, 2017, 09:54:12 PM
phillies have lost 23 of 29 and had 4 hits in a game started by a guy who hasnt won since last august

i didnt pay attention to the full organization in the late 90s like i do now, but at least then they drafted pat burrell and jd drew so there was hope...until burrell turned out to be just a solid player and drew never signed.

this is worse.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 29, 2017, 10:13:49 PM
But by all means let's just keep the guys in the minors now
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 29, 2017, 10:18:55 PM
the only guy who should be called up is hoskins. i hate tommy joseph as much as the next guy but him and altherr are basically the only ones hitting.

alfaro isnt ready yet...jp just got his average over 200....roman quinn doesnt project as anything above a 4th outfielder and on top of that doesnt have anywhere to play everyday.

i know you dont follow the minor leagues but who are they supposed to call up exactly?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 29, 2017, 10:34:53 PM
I'd call up Quinn and let him see what he can do for the rest of the year. Get rid of Saunders.

It's too bad Joseph can't catch anymore but you're right about him...at least for now. If he keeps it up then great.

Why do you think Alfaro isn't ready? He's got to play at some point. Let's go.

Lively needs a callup I think.

Beato and Venditte for the BP

Maybe even Nick Williams too.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 29, 2017, 10:52:18 PM
I'd call up Quinn and let him see what he can do for the rest of the year. Get rid of Saunders.

im fine with this but then what to do about kendrick? the point of having altherr-herrera-quinn OF would be to play them everyday. you can consider sending franco down and moving kendrick to 3B, but thats a temporary solution.

quinn will be up soon enough. hes "ready" but his ceiling is low.

It's too bad Joseph can't catch anymore but you're right about him...at least for now. If he keeps it up then great.

joseph sucks

Why do you think Alfaro isn't ready? He's got to play at some point. Let's go.

because hes had less than 2 months of triple a. hes not ready to take on handling 5 pitchers per week plus hitting. so if he came up, hed play maybe half the time. this is his last development year before he cannot be sent down. hes playing everyday, as he should. hell be up in september and ease into being a starting catcher next year, when he has no development time remaining.

not to mention he has a 284 obp and 606 ops in may. 1 walk and 29 strikeouts. hes never going to be a patient hitter, but those numbers are terrible no matter what.


Lively needs a callup I think.

Beato and Venditte for the BP

i mean sure these things are fine, but its not going to be a difference. id imagine lively will take eflin's spot, but hes about the same level of talent.  beato is a middle reliever. so exciting. venditte has had plenty of ML time and been pretty terrible, but whatever he throws with both hands! lets have fun.

Maybe even Nick Williams too.

ok hes an outfielder and has nowhere to play, unless you want to give up on herrera, who has been horrendous this year but has 2 full seasons of very good production at the ML level. odubel has a long leash.

williams has been pretty good as of late...hes hitting well enough against lhp and been on a power surge lately....a few more months of this and he can force his way up. but he needs to show more consistency.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 29, 2017, 11:05:43 PM
I'd get rid of Saunders and Kendrick. Whatever they can get for them and if it's nothing then so be it. Even if they did hit for the next month you're not getting anything more than a low level minor leaguer. And having the current guys come up is more important to me than some low level guy.

And I wouldn't be opposed to sending Franco down for awhile. He's earned nothing in the bigs to prevent a wake up call demotion.

I know Joseph sucks.

Fine with Alfaro staying put if Mack doesn't play that rotting carcass Cameron Rupp. Let Knapp sink or swim.

The two BP guys could help but it's not make or break. They both have good numbers down there.

Williams/Altherr/ODub/Quinn in the OF rotation

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 29, 2017, 11:09:50 PM
I'd get rid of Saunders and Kendrick. Whatever they can get for them and if it's nothing then so be it. Even if they did hit for the next month you're not getting anything more than a low level minor leaguer. And having the current guys come up is more important to me than some low level guy.

this is a pretty ridiculous move to make...you have something like $18 million invested in these 2 guys. 1 is just getting back from injury. you want to cut bait on memorial day because the zesty team is zesty? umm no. id imagine saunders doesnt have a ton of time left to get back to his career averages, but kendrick aint goin nowhere.

Williams/Altherr/ODub/Quinn in the OF rotation

no

im sorry the phillies suck but youre just gonna have to power through this until they can throw 300 million at harper after 2018
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 29, 2017, 11:21:11 PM
Thank god you're not a GM

This team isn't going anywhere. Let the kids play.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on May 29, 2017, 11:36:35 PM
Thank god you're not a GM

If lil guy were the Phillies GM, the roster would be the least of my concerns.
 Bobblehead Night would be replaced with Dreidel Day and Dollar Dog Night would consist of Hebrew National Franks for tree fitty.  And the Phanatic would probably get...um...snip snip snip.  It'd be total chaos I tells ya. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 30, 2017, 09:34:31 AM
Firing Mackanin would be a great start.  His extension was a joke and this horseshtein franchise makes more boneheaded moves than any other I've followed.  It's just incredible. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on May 30, 2017, 09:44:53 AM
Mack is really terrible but they are a last place team with anyone managing it. I don't see any point in getting rid of him until there's players on this team that a manager can actually do something with. And I don't know how desperate someone would have to be to want to manage this hopeless slop. It's not like they'd be replacing him with anyone good, which is the same problem they have with getting rid of anyone on this team.

When your franchise doesn't draft any good players for 15 years, you aren't going to win very much.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 30, 2017, 10:20:08 AM
When your franchise doesn't draft any good players for 15 years, you aren't going to win very much.

fire mackanin! call up the kids!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 30, 2017, 10:28:25 AM
No.  Not for the farg of it.  There's a reason to fire him.  It's called accountability.  I would fire Mackanin and either bench or ship out every underachieving piece of shtein on the roster.  Most of them won't be there in 2019/2020 anyway, but if they are they have to know there are consequences for not producing. 

Mackanin is a bungling organizational stooge.  OUT. 

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2017, 10:31:06 AM
His challenge last night was a joke

Anyone with even one eye could see the ball Joseph hit was foul. Dumbshtein challenged and lost. Even if he wins the challenge what does it achieve? Only one run scores. Altherr has to stay at second and Joseph gets first bc the play was ruled dead.

Next play Altherr stupidly steals and was safe. But because Pete Andy Reid Mack blew that challenge he cannot have them review the fact Altherr was safe. That meant two outs. Inning fizzled.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 30, 2017, 10:33:27 AM
I'd get rid of Saunders and Kendrick.

lol...this isnt fantasy baseball
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 30, 2017, 10:35:36 AM
ship out every underachieving piece of shtein on the roster.

they would have like 4 players left

neither one of you cares about the sixers but theyve been a worthless joke for 6 years. when they lost 20 in a row its "trust the process" if there is a fake care or a response. but an equally bad phillies team going nowhere loses a bunch of games and its FIRE EVERYONE.

the sixers are certainly in better position than the phillies to compete, but theyre both bad teams. bad teams lose games and look like shtein doing so! its called being bad!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 30, 2017, 10:39:22 AM
your sixer hatred is one of the more unhealthy things ive ever seen

there is literally no comparison between rebuilding in baseball and rebuilding in basketball....i dont even know why youd bring it up....also you are talking to one person who isnt even a fan of the sixers and another who doesnt care about them until they are good and is obsessed with the phillies....that would be like me saying to you you didnt say shtein about the flyers when they sucked
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 30, 2017, 10:44:14 AM
i dont hate the sixers...what im saying is both teams are putting out a terrible product and losing a lot.

the sixers, at least now, have some semblance of hope and promise. the phillies have a few complimentary pieces and eons of salary space they might or might not be able to use on elite players in 2 years.

but the point is what occurred on the floor for the sixers the past few years and what has occurred on the field for the phillies since 2012 means nothing. but you know what? RELEASE MICHAEL SAUNDERS   
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 30, 2017, 10:51:04 AM
but you are trying to make a silly analogy btwn the two teams and then trying to say to two people who dont care all that much about the sixers that they have a double standard when it comes to the sixers
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on May 30, 2017, 11:43:51 AM
Here's where we are

Sixers


Eagles

Flyers









Phillies
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on May 30, 2017, 12:10:12 PM
Seems accurate. Pretty sad since the Sixers just had the 4th worst record in the NBA.

The Phillies really have nothing. They are like an expansion team coming into the league with no expansion draft. They have money and no suffocating contracts. That's the closest thing to a "piece" this team has. It's really just the ability to add pieces, presuming the team can properly identify them and convince them to come (and I have doubts on both of those scores).
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 30, 2017, 12:15:41 PM
Seems accurate. Pretty sad since the Sixers just had the 4th worst record in the NBA.

The Phillies really have nothing. They are like an expansion team coming into the league with no expansion draft. They have money and no suffocating contracts. That's the closest thing to a "piece" this team has. It's really just the ability to add pieces, presuming the team can properly identify them and convince them to come (and I have doubts on both of those scores).

identifying harper and machado doesnt take a whole lot of talent...convincing them to come is a different story.

i know they are buddies so maybe you offer each of them $400 mil and try to do an nba thing where the superstars play together? i dont see a path to contention unless their AAA players are A LOT better than all logic indicates...so its not like the ~$60 million a year theyd be spending on 2 players would need to be spent on anyone internally.

c: alfaro
1b: ?
2b: kingery/cesar
3b: machado
ss: jp
of: altherr, herrera, harper

youre like at well under $100 mil per year on that lineup. spending the rest of your $180ish salary space on pitching is feasible. this is not an ideal way to build a team but im trying to keep my sanity here that we're not looking at another 5 years of rebuilding.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on May 30, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
They're not coming, man.

It's not rebuilding when you aren't getting better. It's just being a bad team.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2017, 12:56:09 PM
but you are trying to make a silly analogy btwn the two teams and then trying to say to two people who dont care all that much about the sixers that they have a double standard when it comes to the sixers

He's getting it off twitter - a lot of people are trying to make this comparison.

TWITTER SPORTS FAN TODD
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 30, 2017, 01:42:11 PM
thats not shockng and i bet its seamhead phillie fans who hate the nba
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 30, 2017, 02:45:02 PM
lol not even close....im not on phillies fan twitter or anything. i mean im on twitter, but only follow writers. no fans.

it is an interesting topic and coincidentally ryan lawrence broached it today: http://www.phillyvoice.com/why-do-philly-sports-fans-trust-sixers-process-have-little-faith-phillies-rebuild-do-not-publish/

the answer, specifically here, is simple: j is at best a casual sixers fan and a phillies lunatic. rome loves the phils and wants to see the nba burn. havas likes the phils but LOVES LOVES LOVES the sixers.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 30, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
I honestly don't care about the NBA.  I watch games occasionally but I've always been a CBB fan.  I grew up in the 70's, guys.  I did watch McGinnis, et al but I went to the Palestra to watch b-ball, not the Spectrum.

As for the Phillies, the manager doesn't mean shtein.  If he did the Terry Francona would still be there.  I'm just saying that the old axiom of you can't fire the team still holds.  He's awful and I want him nowhere the kids that will be coming up soon much less the dreck they have there already.   The Phillies should go first class in every way now just in case they get to a point where free agents might consider going there. 

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on May 30, 2017, 05:04:15 PM
lol not even close....im not on phillies fan twitter or anything. i mean im on twitter, but only follow writers. no fans.

it is an interesting topic and coincidentally ryan lawrence broached it today: http://www.phillyvoice.com/why-do-philly-sports-fans-trust-sixers-process-have-little-faith-phillies-rebuild-do-not-publish/

the answer, specifically here, is simple: j is at best a casual sixers fan and a phillies lunatic. rome loves the phils and wants to see the nba burn. havas likes the phils but LOVES LOVES LOVES the sixers.

i like the nba more than mlb but not by a ton and i like the sixers and phillies equally but none of those things determines how i would currently judge each rebuild...the larger and more important point as i said a couple of times is its just stupid to compare the two sports in terms of a rebuild...if over a 10 15 or 20 year period you wanna compare a mlb and nba team thats fair in a big picture way...but to focus in on a 3-5 year rebuild and compare teams from the two sports is just dumb...it couldnt be different

there is nothing remotely interesting about that article...either lawrence is a bitter jealous seamhead or he is completely clueless about the sport he covers much less the nba
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2017, 08:07:35 PM
Vinnie is hurt

Leiter is getting smashed

This is embarrassing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2017, 08:23:10 PM
Cameron Rupp is garbage

Pure hot steaming landfill ready TRASH
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
Kill me
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 30, 2017, 09:27:59 PM
haha j is hysterical

with vv hurt they have to call up pivetta and lively. their rotation is beyond an abomination and theres no help or hope in reading, even. they are going to be the worst team in baseball this year...the question is will they lose 100 (probably) and will they challenge the 62 mets (maybe).
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 30, 2017, 10:36:56 PM
I honestly don't care about the NBA.  I watch games occasionally but I've always been a CBB fan.  I grew up in the 70's, guys.  I did watch McGinnis, et al but I went to the Palestra to watch b-ball, not the Spectrum.

You had me at McGinnis.  I love that man.  He was my favorite Sixer as a kid.

I honestly thought it would be cool watching Franco, ODH, some of these pitchers, grow and improve still knowing the team will be awful the next 2-3 years but we are now at next level awful.  Todd's breakdown on the draft picks since 2003, well if that didn't make you puke a little in your mouth than you need to have your head examined.  I'll watch (won't cancel any plans to but I'll watch when I can), I'll laugh, I'll critique and I'll get angry.  Hey, it's the Phillies.  I'm used to these 10+ year gaps between being postseason contenders.

Let's reconvene in April 2020.

Right now I'm all in on Sixers.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 30, 2017, 10:42:11 PM
Quote
Phillies need boost in All-Star Game voting
By Glenn Sattell -
May 30, 2017
The Phillies have some legitimate candidates who deserve the few minutes it takes to fill out an Esurance MLB All-Star Game Ballot, and they could use some help.

Are you farging kidding me?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 30, 2017, 11:07:23 PM
Yeah really - whoever Glenn is actually wrote that with a straight face

They'd have to go 54-58 to match last year

Another black hole summer of Philadelphia baseball.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on May 30, 2017, 11:15:20 PM
Quote
Phillies need boost in All-Star Game voting
By Glenn Sattell -
May 30, 2017
The Phillies have some legitimate candidates who deserve the few minutes it takes to fill out an Esurance MLB All-Star Game Ballot, and they could use some help.

Are you farging kidding me?

A year of rebuilding has changed so much.

Quote
Phillies need boost in All-Star voting
By Todd Zolecki
June 8th, 2016
It looks like Phillies players will need a significant voting boost to make the National League All-Star team.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 30, 2017, 11:23:23 PM
Another black hole summer of Philadelphia baseball.

is today the day you realized this was going to happen

youre like trump just discovering the civil war
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: phattymatty on May 31, 2017, 08:55:41 AM
the whole baseball season could be canceled and I wouldn't care.

but this week long break between series in the nba playoffs is ridiculous. so dumb.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on May 31, 2017, 02:27:15 PM
your phils are gonna have their worst may since 1928

at least that team had chuck klein
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on May 31, 2017, 03:09:06 PM
But hey this team has future HOFer Maikel Franco.

It feels like they've given up 7 runs every time I've tuned in this month.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 31, 2017, 04:27:28 PM
I opened the app to look at the score. Cried. Logged off.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 31, 2017, 07:21:53 PM
your phils are gonna have their worst may since 1928

at least that team had chuck klein

Holy shtein, and I thought I'd seen it all since 1972.  Suddenly OTA's are pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 31, 2017, 07:29:38 PM
Congratulate me.  I successfully fought the urge to drive over to Miami to see that mess.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on May 31, 2017, 07:54:43 PM
Geo, only if you had access to a flame thrower would I have approved of your attending.

shtein Ichiro batting .176, well he gets a pass as he's almost as old as me and Rome plus he's backing up Giancarlo.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on May 31, 2017, 08:15:07 PM
Saw the highlight of Franco making his business decision in the field today

Sickening

Nice Roger Doen olay bullshtein
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on May 31, 2017, 08:33:47 PM
I wonder what their record is since Mackanin got his extension?  And by that I mean I don't give a shtein.  In fact this thread should just be locked and a Phillies offseason 2017 thread should be posted.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 31, 2017, 09:18:45 PM
Dont worry, Mickey Moniak to the rescue.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on May 31, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
Pining for the days of Johnny Wockenfuss and Kiko Garcia.  Wonder if ol' Steve Jeltz is around...
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 01, 2017, 12:29:11 AM
Astros scored 40 runs in three games vs Minny

Phils scored 99 in the entire month
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 08:14:49 AM
astros are the best team in the majors....phillies are the worst....the sooner you stop over valuing the phillies the better off youll be

88
86
106
107
111
92

those are the more important numbers.....the loss totals for the stros from 2009 to 2014
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 09:21:44 AM
during that time the astros drafted kuechel, correa, springer, bregman. not sure when they signed altuve but it had to be around there.

the phillies have mickey moniak though
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 01, 2017, 10:24:39 AM
I think the Phillies are aiming toward more of a Mariners type of rebuild.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 11:10:42 AM
so you mean produce no talent, throw a bunch of money at some veterans and win around 70/80 games?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 11:19:07 AM
mariners have primarily gone the trade route....they have made what seems like an absurd number of them over the last few years
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 11:45:23 AM
kingery just hit another one in the 1st inning....hes been out of his mind
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 12:05:17 PM
i understand patience and taking time with minor leaguers...this season is barely 2 months old and kingery was slogging through A ball a year ago.

but the dude has hit his way out of reading 3 weeks ago. hes 23. come on now.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 01, 2017, 12:34:09 PM
so you mean produce no talent, throw a bunch of money at some veterans and win around 70/80 games?

yep
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 12:41:34 PM
kingery rbi double in the 4th
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 03:51:09 PM
finished 4 for 4 and added a steal

for the rubes out there zolecki with a nice little breakdown of why they arent CALLING UP THE KIDS yet http://m.phillies.mlb.com/news/article/233759522/phillies-inbox-time-to-bring-up-prospects/?topicid=218325368

though with the super 2 deadline passing soon (i think) things could logistically start happening shortly
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 04:08:33 PM
i wouldnt bring any of the offensive players up this year before september...theres absolutely no reason to push them as none of them are say in their second year of straight raking at double or triple A...you wanna give them a taste fine but otherwise i wouldnt mess with any of them other than quinn whos already been up and isnt much of a prospect anyway
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 04:18:30 PM
i mostly agree, but id say williams should get a look -- so long as he keeps hitting -- in a few months when they move kendrick.

i also wonder if eshelman will get next week's start for vv. cg so today. hes not much of a prospect but do you really need to bring eflin or pivetta back?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 01, 2017, 05:08:19 PM
Yeah, the Super 2 thing is really important for a team with a 2 billion dollar television contract about to go into effect.  They're really going to have to watch their pennies in 2024.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 01, 2017, 05:47:52 PM
super 2 has nothing to do with bringing or not bringing any of these guys up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
ummmmm
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 01, 2017, 08:03:26 PM
It has everything to do with it.  The Phillies run their franchise like a small market team.  They actually care about service clocks despite the fact that they're about to have more money than they can possibly spend. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 01, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
The Phillies run their franchise like a small market team.

no they dont...their payroll was over 180 mil in 2014, which was only behind the yankees and dodgers. that was the last time they attempted to put together a competitive team.

gaining an extra year of service time for your players is pretty key. the cubs did it with bryant. you cant possibly long term every player under your control, but moreso having young cheap controllable talent is the biggest commodity in the game.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 07:45:53 PM
Eickhoff doing great again

4-0

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 08:07:57 PM
Can they shtein can McClure please?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 08:37:04 PM
They've walked the pitcher three times already

First time since 1936

Nice
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 09:01:50 PM
Alec Asher is pitching for Baltimore tonight

Had to keep adam Morgan over here tho right?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 02, 2017, 09:50:07 PM
Alec Asher is pitching for Baltimore tonight

Had to keep adam Morgan over here tho right?

you are becoming an embarrassment...we get it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 09:57:36 PM
Sorry dad

Once again get your story straight

Either I'm an insufferable homer or an embarrassment bc I bitch too much

Make up your mind
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 10:00:24 PM
Trailed last eleven games

Haven't won a series in forever

Ten walks tonight

Embarrassing (no not me, the team)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 02, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
this was all true before the season started

let it go
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 10:04:18 PM
Nah it's therapeutic

Need lil guy to come tell me it's gonna be alright and playoffs in 2018
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 02, 2017, 10:21:02 PM
lol yeah i cant tell whos a bigger phillie homer you or him....you think playoffs every year and he thought playoffs next year

i love white people
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 10:28:35 PM
Black, Mexican and asians can't be homers?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 02, 2017, 10:33:39 PM
Black, Mexican and asians can't be homers?

they can but its few and far between....super whitey twitter/blogger heads like you guys lead the pack tho
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 02, 2017, 10:36:44 PM
lol yeah i cant tell whos a bigger phillie homer you or him....you think playoffs every year and he thought playoffs next year

i love white people

I'm practically translucent, and I believe I called for fewer wins than you did this year.

... and I still think I was overly optimistic.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2017, 10:39:39 PM
Black, Mexican and asians can't be homers?

they can but its few and far between....super whitey twitter/blogger heads like you guys lead the pack tho

And you?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 03, 2017, 01:46:19 AM
sixto sanchez is going to get back on the mound soon for lakewood

not sure what else matters

i also picked up ty blach in fantasy for this very start but youll be happy to know im still getting demolished in era and whip, so
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
Lively goes 7.

They win.

I was asleep on the couch and missed it.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 03, 2017, 08:47:41 PM
sixto sanchez is going to get back on the mound soon for lakewood

not sure what else matters

i also picked up ty blach in fantasy for this very start but youll be happy to know im still getting demolished in era and whip, so

going to Hagerstown md next weekend to catch the wood on sat and Sunday if anyone wants to come
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 04, 2017, 12:35:10 AM
if sixto was pitching one of those game id consider it, but its a 3 hour drive to what i assume is a town that voted 70-30 trump

looked it up. 64-31.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 04, 2017, 09:13:37 AM
lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 04, 2017, 02:23:04 PM
has freddie galvis ever his a right handed homer?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 04, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
has freddie galvis ever his a right handed homer?

According to baseballreference.com, he had 10.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 05, 2017, 11:13:02 PM
ODub and Old Face are crushing right now

Altherr too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 06, 2017, 11:42:55 AM
holy wow

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBpd-FqXoAE7kS7.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on June 06, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
holy wow

Not really sure why you're surprised by this, he's the biggest jerkoff to ever play in this city.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 06, 2017, 01:13:24 PM
because hes employed by an organization whose is loaded with latino players....he gotta go today
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 06, 2017, 01:53:17 PM
I would think he wouldn't be a player to build around because he sucks, not so much because he don't speek Engrish good like you's.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 06, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
im not one who necessarily believes he can sustain what hes done so far but he has far from sucked to this point of his career...in fact hes been really good

thats all besides the point tho...that neanderthal schmidt has to get got
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on June 06, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
because hes employed by an organization whose is loaded with latino players....he gotta go today

He's just showing his true colors. I agree with firing him asap but his comments aren't remotely surprising. Biggest jerkoff to ever wear a Philadelphia uniform.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 06, 2017, 02:14:14 PM
its not surprising he believes it its surprising that as an employee he would be so dumb to actually say it......hes many things but dumb aint one of them

its just a such a terrible look for an organization that has a long history of being behind the times on basically everything but has recently light and by all accounts was turning a corner to the future
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 06, 2017, 03:45:52 PM
Has anyone thought to ask why these players aren't taught how to read and speak English or their teammates Spanish or whatever other language might be spoken?

Seems like a golden opportunity to me to build cameraderie. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 06, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
Seems strange to think that a player can learn English and become a team leader...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/43/1b/db/431bdb5022b1a93387a368046e3cac10.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2017, 07:33:40 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/odubel-herrera-phillies-great-mike-schmidt-its-all-good-amigo

Handled well by ODub and Freddy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 06, 2017, 10:46:43 PM
A nice start by Nola granted it was against the Braves

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 06, 2017, 11:52:22 PM
A nice start by Nola granted it was against the Braves

It only took until D-Day for a Phils starting pitcher to throw a pitch in the 8th inning.  56 games.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 07, 2017, 05:24:02 AM
streak actually went back 68 games
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 07, 2017, 11:11:12 AM
Has anyone thought to ask why these players aren't taught how to read and speak English or their teammates Spanish or whatever other language might be spoken?

Seems like a golden opportunity to me to build cameraderie. 

most of the players speak english well enough for informal conversation, but when in official settings -- press conferences, interviews, meetings on the mound -- where the specifics and nuances of the language are important and formal and essential to fully understand, many request an interpreter.

ichiro speaks great english but he doesnt want anything to get lost in translation, so he uses an interpreter. if youve ever seen an interview with franco, he could use one, too. i mean he can speak english, but its a little choppy, as it will when its your 2nd language.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on June 07, 2017, 10:48:51 PM
Glad to see the real Phillies show up tonight.  I didn't recognize them the last few games.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 09, 2017, 07:39:10 PM
jake thompson tonight
.2
7h
7r
7er
1bb
0k
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 09, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
3-2 pitch to tommy joseph in the 8th was a ball....bad deal there

i wouldve pinch hit for knapp in the 9th. used blanco. knapp is garbage and had a 0% shot of coming through there.

good game for altherr though. thats more important than the result.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 11, 2017, 11:17:28 AM
Not that it matters much but Cesar to the DL

Kendrick will play 2nd
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 11, 2017, 12:54:41 PM
Not that it matters much

BACK TO BACK JACKSSSSS!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 11, 2017, 01:21:58 PM
Another pointless post by you. Step your game up...it's getting weak
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 11, 2017, 02:28:29 PM
Another pointless post by you. Step your game up...it's getting repetitive and tiresome

I agree.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 11, 2017, 02:29:49 PM
j's online tirades and contradictions will never get old

they are pure magic
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 11, 2017, 03:29:10 PM
it's nuts how hot odubel is and still only hitting .256
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 11, 2017, 03:37:16 PM
also nola is going to be a sick 3 or 4 on a good team
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 11, 2017, 03:48:05 PM
Not that it matters much but Cesar to the DL

it matters a ton if kingery gets a look
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 11, 2017, 04:06:20 PM
oooops
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 11, 2017, 04:35:35 PM
Joaquin Benoit even pitching in the 6th inning is ridiculous
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 11, 2017, 05:24:37 PM
no chance this happens right?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 11, 2017, 05:26:45 PM
of course it isn't
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 11, 2017, 07:57:01 PM
Another pointless post by you. Step your game up...it's getting weak

i thought it was a solid standup double...you laid the ball up there like a beach ball and i whacked it into the gap for a 2 bagger. helps my wOBA.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 12, 2017, 09:43:08 AM
today in CALL UP DA KIDS!!

jp - 194/313/252 overall and 143/231/143 in june. -- he sucks.

alfaro - 258/299/366 and .071/133/107 in june. coming off a may where he had a 595 ops. overall he has 5 walks and 65 strikeouts. --- it looks like he sucks.

cuzzo - 252/313/500 and .294/333/412 in june. 1.075 OPS in may. 14 homers. 19 walks to 79 ks. -- hes going to stikeout and strikeout a lot at the MLB level, and not hit for a high average, but his hits will go far and go for extra bases. oh and he will be a disaster against lhp.

nick - 282/316/523 and .293/326/610 in june. 862 ops in may. 918 ops vs. rhp and 616 vs. lhp. 8 walks. 71 strikeouts. 13 homers. -- this is a giant mixed bag. there might be a major league player in here but id be surprised if he was a starter. think something along the lines of daniel nava.   

hoskins - 298/395/591 and 211/318/368 in june. 1.040 ops in may, 1.063 in april. consistent production vs. lhp and rhp. 34 walks against 39 ks. 14 homers. -- hes cold now, which is actually a good sign. everyone slumps. if he responds in turn i see no reason why they cant CALL UP DIS KID.

therrien - 0.57 whip. 7 innings. 5 strikeouts. 1 earned run. -- just got called up to lehigh but so far so good.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 12, 2017, 11:25:19 AM
who all hyphy for draft day?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 12, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Can't wait to find out who the next Mickey Moniak will be.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 12, 2017, 02:38:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCJBM5KU0AAJG9l.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2017, 07:09:35 PM
Another pointless post by you. Step your game up...it's getting weak

i thought it was a solid standup double...you laid the ball up there like a beach ball and i whacked it into the gap for a 2 bagger. helps my wOBA.

What the farg is wOBA
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 12, 2017, 07:22:51 PM
ODH, dumbest man in baseball.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2017, 07:23:26 PM
What did he do?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 12, 2017, 07:29:03 PM
Tried to score from third on a ball hit right to the first baseman who could have lobbed it home underhand and got him.  Dead to rights.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 12, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
Men on 2nd and 3rd and one out. 

All good now as bums score 4 in top first.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 12, 2017, 07:59:02 PM
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/5/8/15494566/2017-mlb-draft-adam-haseley-of-university-of-virginia
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2017, 08:09:33 PM
QB was right

Another Moniak
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 12, 2017, 09:15:06 PM
i have no idea what he is....but its cute to play the victim 2 seconds after hes drafted
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 12, 2017, 11:51:31 PM
QB was right

Another Moniak

Ummm...  maybe.

In Adam Haseley, Phillies draft a player "very similar" to Mickey Moniak (http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/adam-haseley-phillies-draft-player-very-similar-mickey-moniak)

Edit:  Baseball America compared him to... former Expo Brad Wilkerson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wilkebr01.shtml).  WOOT!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 13, 2017, 12:00:51 AM
That's fantastic.

He will probably struggle to hit .190 and fizzle out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 13, 2017, 12:06:04 AM
Round 2:

Spencer Howard, RHP, Cal Poly
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 13, 2017, 12:13:16 AM
Dude
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 13, 2017, 09:14:08 AM
Round 2:

Spencer Howard, RHP, Cal Poly

a few months ago he was in the bullpen

anyway both guys are going to be on lakewood, which already has the mick and sixto.

sixto by the way: 0.78 whip. 29.1 innings. 32 strikeouts. this is...good.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 13, 2017, 09:48:44 PM
not expecting the world of ben lively but hes had 3 very good starts.

michael saunders and cameron rupp are so bad juan samuel figured what the farg and sent kendrick when the ball was in mid left field. he was out at home.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 13, 2017, 11:46:04 PM
ESPN Stats & Info: Red Sox: extra-inning walk-off hits in consecutive games for 1st time since June 24-26, 2006 (also both against the Phillies)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2017, 12:11:26 AM
Joely traded to Texas for PTBNL or cash
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 14, 2017, 09:57:52 AM
(http://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F0609%2Fr218061_1296x518_5-2.jpg&w=800&h=320&scale=crop&cquality=80&location=origin)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 14, 2017, 10:01:48 AM
Not a chance he's joining this clusterfarg of a team in his prime.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 14, 2017, 10:10:16 AM
i hope hes not in his prime because he sucks this year
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 14, 2017, 10:20:37 AM
bottom 40 ops rankings
7 - saunders
11 - franco
21 - galvis
32- herrera

galvis and herrera are actually still positive war players because of defense! p.s the worst war in the mlb right now is none other than ben revere at -1.5.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2017, 10:07:42 PM
Rupp is garbage
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 14, 2017, 10:35:01 PM
21-43

Worst record they've had in 72 years

All is well. Keep the shteinbags in the lineup. No need for any changes.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 15, 2017, 12:53:11 AM
Rupp is garbage

You can probably interchange 99% of the Phils' players in that sentence and it would be equally correct.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 15, 2017, 01:49:05 AM
Keep the shteinbags in the lineup. No need for any changes.

Here's a look at the future Hall of Famers at Lehigh Valley being held back from joining the big league team thanks to the evil Klentak Konspiracy.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513F6ZzVM3L.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 15, 2017, 09:02:50 AM
its hard to overstate how bad the phillies are this year...with less than 65 games played they are not five games worse than the 3rd place team in their division they are five games worse than the worst teams in the majors.....thats really hard to do....you gotta go back to 2010 to see a team who was 5+ behind the second worst team in the majors after this many games and that was an orioles team who stared 2-16

i spend my time now going to see the real teams like lakewood and reading....saw the wood last weekend and saw reading last night and tonight
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 15, 2017, 09:06:51 AM
williams, alfaro and cousins have a combined 218 strikeouts and 32 walks, but they should definitely call them up because when you cant make contact against AAA pitching you generally have a ton of success against ML pitching.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
Yeah are they going to get better in AAA with pitch selection and if so how long will it take?

Why not let them learn it up here? Or better yet - realize that is what they are and let them come up. If they have the same stats next year you'll still want them wrapped in bubble wrap and protected in the safe minors.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 15, 2017, 03:52:21 PM
If they have the same stats next year you'll still want them wrapped in bubble wrap and protected in the safe minors.

i couldnt care less what happens to any of them if they keep playing like that...theyre never going to have success. get those players out of your mind, they are for the moment worthless.

the only player that belongs is hoskins, klentak has said as much, and its legit annoying they are sticking with a mediocre tommy joseph when someone potentially better is ready.

oh and move kingery up a level.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2017, 06:36:16 PM
MLB hitters when ahead in count:
.295/.474/.520

Maikel Franco when ahead in count:
.133/.293/.160

Whoa
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2017, 06:36:49 PM
Keep the shteinbags in the lineup. No need for any changes.

Here's a look at the future Hall of Famers at Lehigh Valley being held back from joining the big league team thanks to the evil Klentak Konspiracy.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513F6ZzVM3L.jpg)

Those are real?!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2017, 06:37:23 PM
If they have the same stats next year you'll still want them wrapped in bubble wrap and protected in the safe minors.

i couldnt care less what happens to any of them if they keep playing like that...theyre never going to have success. get those players out of your mind, they are for the moment worthless.

the only player that belongs is hoskins, klentak has said as much, and its legit annoying they are sticking with a mediocre tommy joseph when someone potentially better is ready.

oh and move kingery up a level.

I'd rather bring them up and see if they can play in the bigs
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2017, 08:30:09 PM
Pivetta is pitching very well

But let's see if mds thinks he should be in AAA still
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 15, 2017, 10:44:09 PM
I'd rather bring them up and see if they can play in the bigs

THEY CANT PLAY IN THE MAJORS IF THEY SUCK IN THE MINORS.  

Pivetta is pitching very well

But let's see if mds thinks he should be in AAA still

hes a quad a pitcher who threw a nice game. it happens. vance worley and kyle kendrick had their moments. i was there tonight, lotta hard hit balls found gloves. also lotta white trash but the sox fans were pretty chill.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 15, 2017, 10:46:22 PM
you are home and I'm still at a minor league game that started at 630 in what is one of the wildest sporting events I've ever been at
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 15, 2017, 10:48:54 PM
you at reading game? how is hot is kingery
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 15, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
three hits and two doubles....I don't even know how many times he was up but it was a lot

reading just won in the 13th after scoring 5 in the 9th they gave up 1 in the 9th to go to extras

I'm not going to get home until 1130 from a 630 AA game....that's word to working at home tomorrow
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 15, 2017, 11:33:24 PM
I'd rather bring them up and see if they can play in the bigs

THEY CANT PLAY IN THE MAJORS IF THEY SUCK IN THE MINORS.  

Pivetta is pitching very well

But let's see if mds thinks he should be in AAA still

hes a quad a pitcher who threw a nice game. it happens. vance worley and kyle kendrick had their moments. i was there tonight, lotta hard hit balls found gloves. also lotta white trash but the sox fans were pretty chill.

Since when are you a scout? And what does it hurt to bring them up and see what they have? I mean since you're convinced they suck no harm no foul right? Worried about taking ABs away from Michael Saunders, Cameron Rupp, Howie Kendrick and Daniel Nava?

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Eagaholic on June 15, 2017, 11:53:15 PM
I was going through my closet this afternoon and found a red "2008 Phillies World Champion" tee I got as a gift years ago. I looked up the MLB standings and apparently they aren't doing as well now. So I thought it would be fun to wear it when I went around town this evening. No flack from anyone but I did spill red wine on it. When it dried there was no visible stain at all. Back in the closet without washing it. Win. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 16, 2017, 12:24:02 PM
(http://mlb.mlb.com/phi/images/history/y2015/futures_300x250.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 18, 2017, 11:31:56 AM
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/06/17/catcher-trips-mound-becoming-issue-baseball-needs-address/vEB4TmysgyCHi51hRfKP8N/story.html


Stanton? Stanton & Yelich?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 18, 2017, 11:51:41 AM
i know they have all the money in the world but stanton's contract is utterly insane...hes supposed to get $25 mil in his age 39 season which is 12 years away.

at that time 25 mil will not be bad for a good outfielder, but we've been down this road with aging power hitters. his dWAR is in the negatives, i cant imagine it would be any better in his late 30s. without some significant help from the marlins im not touching that contract, unless its a total and complete salary dump from new ownership.

but even then you have to commit to throwing $100 million away because hes not going to be productive or even on the field in the last 4 years of his deal.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on June 18, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
Went today with my daughter. Most humid sporting event I've ever attended. We left in the 6th
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 18, 2017, 06:09:40 PM
couldnt have helped that it took them four hrs to play nine innings
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 18, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
Went today with my daughter. Most humid sporting event I've ever attended. We left in the 6th

Last year when I took my sister down for the Utley return game it was brutal. And this is coming from someone who lives in a swamp

Still Air and humid as farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 18, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
its been as uncomfortable outside the last 2 days as i can remember

with that said, on thursday night when i went it was amazingly flawless...also somehow the phillies won a game
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 18, 2017, 09:41:28 PM
Yeah it can get nasty. I actually had to take my contacts out during the game because I had sweat so much throughout the day my lenses were filmed over.


Anyways can we get Alfaro up here at least please? Can't take much more of Rupp
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 19, 2017, 08:35:25 AM
lol alfaro has 67 k's and 7 bb
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 19, 2017, 09:51:29 AM
so let him figure it out at the big league level. 2 months of triple a with terrible peripherals and questionable game calling skills is more than enough.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 19, 2017, 04:34:14 PM
Yep.

He can't be worse than Rupp.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 19, 2017, 04:59:38 PM
Rupp is garbage

PHL 17 recently interviewed Alfaro and asked him what fans should expect if he comes up to replace Rupp.

(https://mlblogsphilliesphollowers.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/trash20can.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 19, 2017, 11:23:49 PM
Yep.

He can't be worse than Rupp.

i cant believe i keep going in circles with you on this but you do realize wins at the ML level mean absolutely nothing

alfaro is out of options after this year. he needs development time on his defense and specifically on his pitch selection. there is no front office on earth that would call him up.

if you want to complain about something, complain about kingery still being at AA or hoskins being blocked by sloppy sloseph.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 19, 2017, 11:26:41 PM
Kingery and Hoskins fit into my yelling about bringing up the young bucks.

Pitch selection can be learned in the big leagues. No young catcher comes up ready to lead a staff like that.

Then again he'd be learning from McClure so maybe he's better off staying in AAA until that useless boob McClure is fired.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 19, 2017, 11:27:58 PM
j: ramble ramble ramble
everyone: no
j: RAMBLE RAMBLE RAMBLE
everyone:
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 19, 2017, 11:32:31 PM
You like to make fun but you agree on Kingery Hoskins and Williams

All this bluster because I want Alfaro up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 19, 2017, 11:34:34 PM
You like to make fun but you agree on Kingery Hoskins and Williams

All this bluster because I want Alfaro up

1/3

kingery should be at AAA, not the phillies.

williams i could care less about, but i wouldnt do it until kendrick is moved. he doesnt walk and cant hit LHP. but i figure he will get his shot next month.

but youre right about hoskins!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 20, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
j is fake wip caller

https://twitter.com/FakeWIPCaller/status/877171025955442689
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2017, 12:38:03 PM
That dude is awesome
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2017, 02:56:44 PM
Saunders and Jeanmar DFA'd.

Update:  LHP Hoby Milner and OF Cameron Perkins brought up.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
It's a start.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2017, 07:04:35 PM
Jerad Eickhoff on the DL with an upper back strain.

The counter move?  The return of BROCK STASSI!  :crazy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 20, 2017, 09:46:25 PM
Another extra innings game. Just what everyone wants, more Phillies baseball.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2017, 10:08:33 PM
It'll be over soon

Ramos walked two to start it and Fien is gonna give it up

Yep. There it is
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2017, 10:22:13 PM
They're still going

7-1 now
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on June 20, 2017, 10:22:40 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/XUFPGrX5Zis6Y/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 20, 2017, 10:42:20 PM
A cool 25 games under 500

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 20, 2017, 10:48:02 PM
A cool 25 games under 500

Yeah but that was before Milner, Perkins, and the return of Stassi. Watch out, NL East.

The period of time between the NHL draft and Birds training camp is going to be a sports black hole. Might be a good time to unplug for a month.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 20, 2017, 11:24:50 PM
perkins is an interesting player

does one thing well and that is get on base. a corner outfielder with no power, no speed. can play all over the field, which helps. he resembles howie kendrick a bit, but doesnt have the benefit of playing 2B.

might last, but will be as a bench player, most likely. still, if youre nick williams or dylan cousins youre getting a loud and clear message: WALK MORE.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 21, 2017, 04:24:46 AM
A cool 25 games under 500

Yeah but that was before Milner, Perkins, and the return of Stassi. Watch out, NL East.

The period of time between the NHL draft and Birds training camp is going to be a sports black hole. Might be a good time to unplug for a month.

There's other baseball teams besides the Phillies and NHL/NBA free agency is great....if those aren't your things this time next year the World Cup will be hittin
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 21, 2017, 07:50:05 PM
pivetta looks good again
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 21, 2017, 09:49:07 PM
And Neris looks like shtein again
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 21, 2017, 09:49:30 PM
Totally expected

8th and 9th inning horror show
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 21, 2017, 09:51:23 PM
How this clown is even on a major league roster is beyond comprehension
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 21, 2017, 09:52:28 PM
All 5K in attendance actually giving his ass a nice booing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 21, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
Odubel

Jesus farging Christ man....I'd bench him. That was awful
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 21, 2017, 10:04:45 PM
What can you say?  zesty and brain dead.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 21, 2017, 10:16:30 PM
The most egregious "man farg yo stop sign" I think I've ever seen

And then they complete the farging meltdown, again, in extra innings

Bench Herrera. Fire that apathetic manager and his boob of a pitching coach
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 21, 2017, 10:39:15 PM
lol you want Alfaro up and odubel benched
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 21, 2017, 10:41:40 PM
What's your point? Or didn't you watch and have no clue that he blew the stop sign by a mile and cost them a win?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 21, 2017, 11:18:46 PM
it didnt cost them a win...if he stops andrew knapp wouldve struck out

i was actually on the verge of tears when ramos air mailed that throw to slowseph. hardest ive laughed in a while. this team is so bad its honestly remarkable.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 07:57:50 AM
What's your point? Or didn't you watch and have no clue that he blew the stop sign by a mile and cost them a win?

omg lol at cost them a win....even if it did and it in all likely hood didnt who the farg cares about wins
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 09:57:05 AM
What's your point? Or didn't you watch and have no clue that he blew the stop sign by a mile and cost them a win?

omg lol at cost them a win....even if it did and it in all likely hood didnt who the farg cares about wins

Like always you miss the point.

Who cares? His teammates and coaches. He cost them a win. He ignored a blatant stop sign and deserves to be benched a game for being a dumbfarg. What makes it worse is that play was in front of him since he was going 1st to 3rd and once he turns his head he can see Samuel throwing up the stop but he kept rolling and was out by 10 feet.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 10:06:01 AM
farg his teammates and coaches....they all farging suck and can go to hell....ooooh im so sorry i messed up cameron.....please forgive me howie!...i know this game was so important to you

none of these scabs are going to be on the team in 7 years when they are maybe contending...including odubel
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 10:15:31 AM
Point missed again.

So you're ok with guys just doing whatever they want?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 10:20:15 AM
right now yeah im perfectly fine with anything that happens...except winning too many games

when they were good i used to go off all the time on brain dead victorino

i wouldnt care if this team got airlifted into a volcano
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 22, 2017, 10:57:22 AM
lol should herrera be in timeout? hes a basket case that loses his mind a lot. overall a talented player but yea hes going to do some maddening shtein. benching him will accomplish nothing.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on June 22, 2017, 10:59:48 AM
these threesomes you guys have on here are awesome.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
cardinal announcers arent bad but pretty boring....i enjoy zrbosky as he is super knowledgeable but they arent special....so i figured i give the phils a shot today and couldnt get thru even two outs of mcarthy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 02:10:34 PM
lol odie picked off third
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 02:24:01 PM
Routine for him now

Stupidest team ever
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 02:32:24 PM
i like it because if you are going to be bad be really bad....no one wants to watch a 70 win team

they are actually entertainingly bad on most nights
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 02:45:17 PM
when nola is on like this he looks exactly like greg maddux
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 22, 2017, 03:15:01 PM
if neshak has the 8th who ever could have the 9th?

man i hope its neris and hope he blows it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
cardinals play little league defense
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 06:55:49 PM
Mack says he asked neshek to pitch the 9th after only throwing five pitches in the 8th and he refused

Neshek says he wasn't asked

Clown show
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 06:58:10 PM
if only these guys would learn english
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 07:16:49 PM
Stephen Vogt DFAd by Oakland

I'd like to see him brought here and send Rupp on his way
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 07:17:46 PM
you have serious serious problems
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 07:21:08 PM
Oh and why is that? Let him play. Maybe he's the backup to Alfie next year

Orrrrrrr he rediscovers himself and they trade him for ASSETS
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 07:22:18 PM
someone make it stop
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
Tell me what's wrong with it? Come on you can do it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
hes michael saunders if saunders was two years older and a catcher....you loved saunders getting dfa'ed but you wanna pick up this bum?

or should they also bring saunders back nd hope he can rekindle the magic and trade him for prospects?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 07:33:23 PM
Nope

I just hate Rupp and since our doogie howser GM wants to play sign people and hope to flip them then take a shot. Unless they wanna bring up Alfie
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 22, 2017, 07:35:48 PM
Nope
GM wants to play sign people and hope to flip them then take a shot

saunders would be a much better candidate for that than vogt
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 22, 2017, 07:40:20 PM
Well Doogie struck out on Saunders

He's taking $9m of their money and going to farg off with it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 22, 2017, 11:22:46 PM
vogt has been terrible since midseason 2016. hes 32. he makes zero sense for them.

and jorge alfaro is not guaranteed of anything next year. realistically he will have to get a roster spot but if he continues to refuse to walk he wont play much or last very long.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 24, 2017, 03:59:35 PM
Awesome espn stat

Ben lively first phils SP since Brandon duckworth to start career with 4 straights quality starts
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 24, 2017, 08:33:44 PM
Cafardo from the Boston Globe, who linked Stanton to the Phils, now says they could be looking to deal Franco away.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on June 25, 2017, 12:07:38 AM
Welcome to the big leagues Hoby Milner
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 25, 2017, 02:35:23 AM
since coming back from injury, jp is 8/24 with 4 doubles. his obp is 315 which is astonishingly good for someone hitting 209 with a god awful 278 slg.

in the days after perkins call up, williams, cozens and alfaro are still striking out a ton. stay in the minors forever, losers.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 25, 2017, 06:55:41 PM
just saw the most MA thing ever...dbacks broadcast just showed the fattest oldest whitest guy ever with a "shut the duck up" t shirt

it was a picture of a duck with its bills taped together
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 25, 2017, 07:09:34 PM
how farging terrible is Brock stassi?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 25, 2017, 11:29:10 PM
1 month after it shouldve happened, they moved kingery up to AAA

hes not on the 40 man yet and doesnt have to be protected for rule 5 this winter....at the speed they go i cant for sure he will be up before midseason 2018. the hope would be he hits well at lehigh and gets a cup of coffee in september, then starts opener next year.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 26, 2017, 07:35:49 AM
The hope should be that they stop stealing the paying customers' money and put a team in the field that isn't a total embarrassment.  $90M in profits last year for THAT.  They might as well put Trump signs up for all the conning they're doing in South Philly. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 26, 2017, 04:49:00 PM
yea i know they shouldve signed mark melancon to close games and should go after jake arrieta this offseason
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 26, 2017, 05:51:54 PM
They should have done a better job building a team during the last 1/2 decade.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2017, 07:00:19 PM
Still amazing to me that lil guy is a-ok with this shtein show
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 26, 2017, 07:39:51 PM
He's not.  No one with a shred of intelligence would be.  He's trolling it up because it's more "fun" than actually discussing a subject intelligently.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 26, 2017, 08:19:10 PM
No one is okay with this but there's basically nothing they can do about it that would be a good idea. Bring up young guys before they are ready when it looks like they suck at least as bad as the current trash? Trade for talent as a losing team? C'mon.

They have utterly failed to draft and develop talented players. Other than drastically overpaying whichever stars don't care if they play alongside trash on a 100 loss team, they are stuck in the toilet of the league.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 26, 2017, 10:03:35 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/bleep-it-says-frustrated-freddy-galvis-phillies-just-need-play-better?amp

Someone has a little fire to them. About time

God knows we haven't seen any emotion from Pete The Mannequin
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 27, 2017, 10:06:21 AM
Still amazing to me that lil guy is a-ok with this shtein show

what is wrong with you

nobody is "ok" with them being the laughing stock of the league but there is literally nothing they can do to get better. they have zero talent and whatever talent they do have is not ready yet for the majors. bringing up nick williams and jorge alfaro to strike out every other bat wont do anything. throwing money and years and 32 year olds might help them win an extra game a week but what difference does that make.

the phillies are terrible and will be terrible for a while. there is no logical combination of moves that can rectify this.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 27, 2017, 10:12:20 AM
They should have done a better job building a team during the last 1/2 decade.

sure! but they didnt. and here we are, waiting for them to find an established core of players. but guess what? they dont have one and wont have for a while. theyve drafted insanely poorly since the early part of this CENTURY.

He's not.  No one with a shred of intelligence would be.  He's trolling it up because it's more "fun" than actually discussing a subject intelligently.

son you aint on my baseball intelligence level
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 27, 2017, 10:30:22 AM
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/bleep-it-says-frustrated-freddy-galvis-phillies-just-need-play-better?amp

Someone has a little fire to them. About time

God knows we haven't seen any emotion from Pete The Mannequin

It's nice when the guy who utterly sucks himself is calling out his zesty teammates for sucking and playing with no heart.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 27, 2017, 10:50:18 AM
freddy shook and lashing out cause their current best looking prospect plays his position and just got called up to allentown
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 27, 2017, 11:09:49 AM
utterly sucks

12 among SS in OPS, 18th in WAR

no he is not a great offensive player but he isnt terrible. and his defense is outstanding.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 27, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
He farging sucks you moronic seamheaded millennial douchefarg. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 27, 2017, 12:12:40 PM
He farging sucks you moronic seamheaded millennial douchefarg.

lol i love you more than you know
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2017, 01:40:01 PM
He farging sucks you moronic seamheaded millennial douchefarg.

lolol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 27, 2017, 02:10:19 PM
if you want to know who sucks

-tommy joseph has the 2nd worst war among 1b, only ahead of mike napoli who is hitting 194. hes 20/25 in ops.
-mike franco has the worst ops among 3b -- by nearly 80 points. hes the only negative war 3b in baseball. hes almost a full win worse than eduardo nunez who is a crappy middle infielder masquerading as a 3b for a terrible giants team.

overall franco has the 4th worst war and joseph as the 11th worst in all of baseball. franco has the 12th worst ops.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 27, 2017, 02:24:43 PM
WAR!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 27, 2017, 02:39:05 PM
having a lot of WINS over a replacement player is good, just like a pitcher having WINS is good

WINS are good

W
I
N
S
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 27, 2017, 02:44:56 PM
WAR is meaningless fake math
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 27, 2017, 02:46:51 PM
Having players who don't suck pus-dripping cock is nice.  Having competent management who selects young talent with the potential to make the club eventually is nice.  Having owners who don't line their pockets with nearly nine figure profit margins is nice.

But you know what is really "super duper hot fudge and cherries on top" nice?

Being a fan of a team with more than two championships in 14 goddamn decades. 

Our curse is being born in a region where the professional sports teams all SUCK YEAR AFTER YEAR.   farg OUR LIVES. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 27, 2017, 02:50:09 PM
im killing time at work and did a prospect deep dive....holy shtein its bad

however in 8 starts:
40 innings, 13 er, 3 bb, 39 k, 0.79 whip

this young man is not even 19 yet. all hail the savior: (http://www.milb.com/images/664350/t427/180x270/664350.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 27, 2017, 03:06:16 PM
It's going to be sad to watch them ruin him.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on June 27, 2017, 03:56:21 PM
so when does the season start ?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 27, 2017, 08:51:45 PM
Kingery two homers

On fire
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 28, 2017, 03:14:19 PM
kendrick going to go on the dl

if they want an extra bat, they have to call up williams (best option on the 40 man)

if they want an extra arm, they have to call up thompson or ramos

regardless, the worst team in baseball will now be playing andres blanco and ty kelly at 2B for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2017, 04:02:42 PM
The return on Kendrick is going to be a pair of dirty underwear. Good job, Klentak.

And while we are at it good job dealing Hellickson last year too. He's sure to fetch some low-A bum who is going to be working for UPS in three years.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on June 28, 2017, 04:22:53 PM
The return on Kendrick is going to be a pair of dirty underwear. Good job, Klentak.

And while we are at it good job dealing Hellickson last year too. He's sure to fetch some low-A bum who is going to be working for UPS in three years.

so, no 80 this season ?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 28, 2017, 07:22:12 PM
Two in a row. Streaking!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 29, 2017, 01:33:46 AM
The return on Kendrick is going to be a pair of dirty underwear. Good job, Klentak.

And while we are at it good job dealing Hellickson last year too. He's sure to fetch some low-A bum who is going to be working for UPS in three years.

kendrick was never going to get much of a return. hes been very good this year but cant stay on the field. he was brought in to give the lineup a respectable, proven bat. this has been accomplished when hes in there.

they had a trade last year for helly for a low a marlins pitcher. pulled it back and made a calculated risk he wouldnt take the QO and theyd get a sandwich pick for him. he took the QO. now hes going to return a likely worse low a pitcher. meh.

there are things to get on klentak about, though largely hes still an incomplete because he took over a barren organization that couldnt possibly be competitive in a short period of time. kendrick, hellickson, saunders, etc. are small potato moves.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 29, 2017, 07:37:50 AM
the small and medium sized moves dont mean anything to this particular phillies team as far as on the field product...they were going to stink either way but they are important in judging a gm....anyone can throw a ton of money at a free agent and bag them...you cant use these moves to come to a conclusion on klentek yet but you can definitely critique him on them and they shouldnt be ignored simply because of how bad the phillies are
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 29, 2017, 11:28:30 PM
alright lets look at the "moves" klentak has made

-giles trade: too early to tell but they might not wind up with anything
-helly: good last year, little worse this year. did not sell at highest point but return was so minimal it wasnt wrong to risk getting back a 2017 sandwich pick, likely now to be traded anyway
-charlie morton: injured, now pitching pretty well
-saunders: terrible
-kendrick: effective but mostly injured
-bucholz: injured
-neshak: middle reliever having a great year
-bourjos: waiver pick who sucked
-goedell rule 5: handled awfully but he cant play

what does this tell you. it tells me i have no idea if he can do the job or not.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 30, 2017, 07:59:21 AM
no one is saying whether he can do the job or not yet but every move counts towards eventually figuring that out...my point is just because it doesnt matter whether michael saunders worked out or not doesnt mean you dont use it as a way of grading the GM
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 30, 2017, 09:49:03 AM
i give him points for not doing anything outwardly stupid, like committing years and money to a veteran when they are a galaxy away from competing.

saunders had a bad 2nd half last year and his OPS this year was still 200 points lower than where he was in 16. there was just no way to predict he would be as horrendously bad as he was. yea you can "blame" klentak for that but their options for a corner outfielder on a 1 year deal were sort of limited.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 30, 2017, 09:49:25 AM
How many moves was he prevented from making by ownership?   I mean it's a rhetorical question that really can't be answered but I really do wonder sometimes. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 30, 2017, 09:53:39 AM
How many moves was he prevented from making by ownership?   I mean it's a rhetorical question that really can't be answered but I really do wonder sometimes.

zero

also nick williams got called up. hooray! they brought up DA KID. id imagine he plays exclusively against rhp.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 30, 2017, 09:59:40 AM
So hypothetically if Klentak wanted to spend a hundred million on salaries just for 2017, or dump all the garbage vets this past offseason and really tank the shtein out of the season, you don't think ownership would have vetoed those moves?

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 30, 2017, 10:23:44 AM
that doesnt make any sense. theres no way you can spend 100 million dollars worth of 1 year contracts.

they also had no "garbage vets" to dump. maybe jenmar gomez? he hardly qualifies. and they are basically tanking this season...even going into spring training their talent level was very low.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on June 30, 2017, 10:55:31 AM
I wasn't just talking about 1-yr deals but it's not like there was anyone worth backing up the Brinks truck for anyway.   

Now if the Phillies sign Harper, Machado and David Price in 2018, that's easily $100M in outlay for the first year. 

Would this ownership ok that or whatever it would take?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 30, 2017, 11:04:51 AM
middleton is basically on record as saying he will spend whatever it takes

also their payroll for the better part of a decade has been MASSIVE so i have no idea where you get this narrative that they are cheap
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 30, 2017, 11:12:15 AM
also perfect timing on nick as im just about to leave for shea for the weekend

over under on k's against degrom tonight = 3
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 30, 2017, 11:13:44 AM
middleton is basically on record as saying he will spend whatever it takes

also their payroll for the better part of a decade has been MASSIVE so i have no idea where you get this narrative that they are cheap

youre talking about romey...getting inside that beautiful mind is impossible
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on June 30, 2017, 11:56:41 AM
middleton is basically on record as saying he will spend whatever it takes

also their payroll for the better part of a decade has been MASSIVE so i have no idea where you get this narrative that they are cheap

Talk is cheap

For the better part of a decade they were practically printing money. Their payroll was massive because they were winning. They're one of the largest markets, and for a 5 year stretch were one of the top teams in the MLB in a city that was starving for a winner.

Their run ended roughly 7 years ago. They've signed nobody of relevance in that time. Meanwhile they signed a mega deal with Comcast.

Until they prove otherwise they're back to being cheap. I understand the plan of developing young players but so far that plan has amounted to 5 consecutive losing seasons in which at no point were they in contention for a playoff spot.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 30, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
that is fundamentally false

their run in 2011...they were still decent on paper in 2012...they tried to win up until 2014

in those years they long termed utley, rollins, ruiz and hamels. they signed papelbon. they signed aj burnett (1 year deal, but big money).

since they decided to "rebuild" they have not spent massive amounts of money on veterans to come and play for a terrible team. correct. this is the smart move.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on June 30, 2017, 12:22:40 PM
It would have been the smart move if they were capable of developing their own talent. When you're on your fourth rebuild year and you're by far the worst team in baseball and have a farm full of marginal-at-best MLB players, it's difficult to argue that you made the right moves.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 30, 2017, 12:26:07 PM
i dont understand that. how is this the 4th rebuild?

when they decided to rebuild -- 2-3 years later than they shouldve -- they had basically no talent at the top levels of the minors. that talent is now in AAA and in the majors, but most of it has not turned out great. there is more potential in low A, sure.

what combination of moves could they have made, post utley/howard/rollins breakup, to be competitive now? what combination of free agents were out there that would help them be a contender now? there answer is zero because no scenario existed.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on June 30, 2017, 01:17:36 PM


what combination of moves could they have made, post utley/howard/rollins breakup, to be competitive now? what combination of free agents were out there that would help them be a contender now? there answer is zero because no scenario existed.

You tell us Theo. Put those analytics to work. I'll wait.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 30, 2017, 01:19:28 PM
the answer is zero because no scenario existed.

you said something categorically untrue
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 30, 2017, 01:36:12 PM
Glad they called up Williams

I have confidence in Middleton. I am glad that they have him as the front guy for the owners.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 30, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
middleton is basically on record as saying he will spend whatever it takes

also their payroll for the better part of a decade has been MASSIVE so i have no idea where you get this narrative that they are cheap

Talk is cheap

For the better part of a decade they were practically printing money. Their payroll was massive because they were winning. They're one of the largest markets, and for a 5 year stretch were one of the top teams in the MLB in a city that was starving for a winner.

Their run ended roughly 7 years ago. They've signed nobody of relevance in that time. Meanwhile they signed a mega deal with Comcast.

Until they prove otherwise they're back to being cheap. I understand the plan of developing young players but so far that plan has amounted to 5 consecutive losing seasons in which at no point were they in contention for a playoff spot.

they won over a hundred games 6 years ago

things that are true:

1. it takes years to properly strip the existing roster down have before you even start a rebuild
2. they waited too long to start the rebuild
3. teams really dont spend money during a rebuild....those two things are counter intuitive
4. you can criticize them for the prospects that have come back in rebuild trades not having worked out
5. saying they are cheap thru this rebuild is a sports radio take
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on June 30, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
Glad they called up Williams

I have confidence in Middleton. I am glad that they have him as the front guy for the owners.

youre not gonna be glad when he gets sent back down in 3 days

middleton bought up shares once claire bentz and the other bucks started dying. he did it because he wants to win a world series more than life itself. middleton owns 48% of the team...2 remaining bucks own a bunch...the rest is small shares from whoever. basically middleton/bucks make the ownership calls and middleton is "the face."
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on June 30, 2017, 06:34:04 PM
Yes I know the arrangement and I am glad he's the "owner". That group of not-give-a-fargs that had it forever sucked.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on June 30, 2017, 07:54:36 PM
please cut ben lively right farging  now

dont play around and try with a guy like this ...he can't miss a bat to save his life

excuse me while I throw this annoying met fan over the balcony
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 01, 2017, 01:35:15 AM
Yes I know the arrangement and I am glad he's the "owner". That group of not-give-a-fargs that had it forever sucked.

that group owned the team when they won the world series
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 01, 2017, 02:07:31 AM
And?

Try another angle.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 01, 2017, 10:13:59 AM
how could an ownership group that won a title "suck"
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 01, 2017, 11:22:03 AM
By losing 50 more?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 01, 2017, 11:49:18 AM
Marge Schott won a World Series. Art Modell won a Super Bowl (he gets no credit for what he did in the 60s with Paul Brown's players).
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 01, 2017, 12:19:42 PM
the silent partner owners just werent aggressive financially until they got into the bank. in the vet days they had bad teams and didnt attempt to make them any better. once they got a core and a revenue generating tax payer funded ballpark, they spent. that started in 2003 with thome.

if youre going to hold 25 year old grudges that claire bentz and john buck didnt give kevin brown a record breaking contract, go for it.

in reality they were what you wanted out of owners -- sign the checks and get out of the way. should their payroll have be bigger in 1999? SURE.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 01, 2017, 12:31:41 PM
Kevin Brown could pitch, though.  Let's see Joe Cowley, Ken Howell and Omar Daal do that!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 01, 2017, 01:32:52 PM
the silent partner owners just werent aggressive financially until they got into the bank. in the vet days they had bad teams and didnt attempt to make them any better. once they got a core and a revenue generating tax payer funded ballpark, they spent. that started in 2003 with thome.

if youre going to hold 25 year old grudges that claire bentz and john buck didnt give kevin brown a record breaking contract, go for it.

in reality they were what you wanted out of owners -- sign the checks and get out of the way. should their payroll have be bigger in 1999? SURE.

basically Norman Braman was cheap so the eagles will be too......foevah
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 01, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
Kevin Brown could pitch, though.  Let's see Joe Cowley, Ken Howell and Omar Daal do that!

omar daal was actually acquired in the curt schilling trade!

just for a refresher, that trade was: nelson figueroa, daal, travis lee and liquor sweat vicente padilla for a borderline hall of fame pitcher at age 34. yikes.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 01, 2017, 10:30:35 PM
Kevin Brown could pitch, though.  Let's see Joe Cowley, Ken Howell and Omar Daal do that!

omar daal was actually acquired in the curt schilling trade!

just for a refresher, that trade was: nelson figueroa, daal, travis lee and liquor sweat vicente padilla for a borderline hall of fame pitcher at age 34. yikes.

(https://docspatients.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/flotilla1.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 01, 2017, 11:34:51 PM
Kevin Brown could pitch, though.  Let's see Joe Cowley, Ken Howell and Omar Daal do that!

omar daal was actually acquired in the curt schilling trade!

just for a refresher, that trade was: nelson figueroa, daal, travis lee and liquor sweat vicente padilla for a borderline hall of fame pitcher at age 34. yikes.

It's so humid here right now I feel like I have the Crazy Vicente liquor sweats
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 02, 2017, 10:55:54 AM
July 2nd 1993 at 440am

Mitch Williams walks off the Pads

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 02, 2017, 12:45:08 PM
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v9873701/mitch-williams-walkoff-hit-remembered

I'm reading the Macho Row book (good read) and just read this chapter yesterday.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on July 02, 2017, 06:53:39 PM
That was a great clip.  Damn, haven't thought about those guys in years, Pete Incaviglia, Hollins, Eisenreich.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 02, 2017, 07:02:18 PM
The whole pitching staff finally has as many wins as Steve Carlton had in 1972.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 02, 2017, 09:24:07 PM
That was a great clip.  Damn, haven't thought about those guys in years, Pete Incaviglia, Hollins, Eisenreich.

But that book macho row on amazon

You won't regret it. A great flashback
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 02, 2017, 10:25:34 PM
lol wait until you get to the chapter about moneyball

the book is ok...not a ton of fresh stuff but he scoured every last ounce of information. a few minor inaccuracies here and there. did not need to rehash play by play of the nlcs and world series. we know what happened. we can watch the games on youtube. tell me something i dont know.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 02, 2017, 10:31:03 PM
I read it today and thought of you

And let's be clear...I don't hate walks and high OBP. I hate the continued new stats made up. farg yo UZR and xFIP shtein
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 02, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
i hate things i dont understand too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 04, 2017, 08:32:55 PM
Nola's been looking good since coming back from the injury.  Hope he can build on that.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 04, 2017, 10:29:26 PM
jp before his injury on jun 9: 194/313/252
jp on jul 3: 212/326/305

that doesnt count today. hes hit 2 homers.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 06, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
haha....you cant make this shtein up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 06, 2017, 08:30:45 PM
I've watched baseball a long time and I've never seen that before. 

Amazing. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 06, 2017, 11:44:27 PM
hoskins ops by month: 1.063-1.040-.928-.522. still should be up for joseph

cuzzo has 304 at bats and 108 strikeouts. 19 homers though!

alfaro: 689 ops. 86 k. 15 bb. 6 hr. he stinks.

jp: last 3 games - 3/11. 2 homers. 2 walks. 2 strikeouts. obp at 328. there might be some hope here. hes still just 22.

kingery: 311/313/935. 4 hr. 3 sb. this is great. but here's your issue: 13 k, 1 bb in 45 ab. this needs to be much better.

therrien: last 8.1 innings: 0 runs, 8 hits, 8 k. overall: 17.2 innings, 16 k, 1.02 whip. hes not far away
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 08, 2017, 10:30:12 AM
Supposedly the Phils are looking into trades for Joseph to get Hoskins into the majors.  Not that they'll get anything.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 08, 2017, 01:25:12 PM
hes actually got some value

4 years of team control...1.5 years away from arbitration....30 homer power. the team that he makes sense for is the angels (giant hole at 1B) or royals (hosmer insurance). anaheim has a horrendous farm system though. maybe straight up for trout?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 08, 2017, 02:14:06 PM
hes actually got some value

4 years of team control...1.5 years away from arbitration....30 homer power. the team that he makes sense for is the angels (giant hole at 1B) or royals (hosmer insurance). anaheim has a horrendous farm system though. maybe straight up for trout?

Ha.  Be nice to get something of use of him.  We'll see, I guess...
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 08, 2017, 07:31:19 PM
one suggestion i saw is he is added with kendrick, nava or neshak to sweeten a deal. really what the phils are looking for back is low A talent...so what the farg
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 08, 2017, 07:42:57 PM
zero value
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 08, 2017, 08:09:52 PM
Yankees need a 1B in a bad way
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 08, 2017, 09:42:34 PM
joseph is a ML player with great power who is under team control for 4 more years. he has value. a lot? no. hes very mediocre and can only play 1 position. but hes an upgrade for several teams at 1B and would make sense in an AL team where he can hit at the bottom of the order and hit some dingers. and also make a lot of outs. but dingers!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 08, 2017, 11:33:57 PM
he might catch you a ben lively if you're lucky
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 09, 2017, 12:41:30 AM
jp is 0/5 with 3 walks over his past 2 games

i have no clue if his patience will translate but its pretty amazing that someone who sucks at hitting can walk this often
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 10, 2017, 08:48:08 AM
So a team that was 29th in MLB in HR's hit six yesterday. 

Hard to believe, Harry. 

PS: Mackanin is spending the next three days in Stone Harbor.  I'm not saying I'm rooting for a rogue wave to sweep him out to sea, but I'm not NOT saying it either. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 10, 2017, 11:44:06 AM
It seems like there's no way they are going to get any better, but when you consider all the 1-run losses and extra-inning losses, statistically they are likely to have a better second half than that abortion of a first. Of course they should still be the worst team in baseball by a wide margin.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 10, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
thing is its not like their run differential belies their record

worst record in baseball 2nd worst run differential

heartening to see nola look so good lately (not to mention pivetta)...eickhoffs velocity was up post inury start...hopefully he regains form in the second half

if nothing else comes out of the last few years hopefully they can solidify two of 3-5 in their future rotation and then try and sign or deal for an ace
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 10, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
theres no scenario for them to outright sign top of the line pitching talent until 2020/2021. theres a few potential trades they could make, but the player would likely be 30 or older by the time the phillies are ready to win.

my projection for them is to spend and spend wildly on bats and the bullpen. sign britton. sign machado. sign another outfielder. your rotation will be aaron nola and 4 eickhoff's. great lineup, great bullpen, sufficient starting pitching. then hope by 2021 sixto is up and youre set.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 10, 2017, 04:42:54 PM
multiple frontline starters will move teams in the next four years...whether they get any of them is another story
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 10, 2017, 09:08:42 PM
yea. i mean archer, cole, cobb, teheran, gray to name a few will move but a) will they get any and b) will they make a difference.

theres a very real scenario of the phillies not being competitive until 2020/21, in which case theyd be looking to sign de grom or syndergaard.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 11, 2017, 06:39:00 AM
theres a very real scenario of the phillies not being competitive until 2020/21

lol at just figuring this out and yet still only calling it "a scenario"
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 11, 2017, 09:35:59 AM
well theres also a scenario where they're competitive in 2018, but its more likely nothing really comes together in a significant way until a few years later.

if you think i was slow to this, wait until j finds out.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 11, 2017, 09:52:28 AM
j is looking at a wild card run in 2017
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 11, 2017, 12:27:52 PM
Quote
If i see ty kelly start one more game i'm going to lose it. BRING UP THE KIDS. What are they waiting for?!
Share
CNNisFakeNews

this is from a chat with gelb...look at the username of the person who asked this question. yes, when you scream nonsense like this, thats what you sound like. one of them.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 11, 2017, 01:47:00 PM
Ty Kelly to start and Trump's ass is under heavy fire...that dude is gonna have a bad month
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 12, 2017, 01:20:01 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/donald-trump-philadelphia-phillies-fan-1993-world-series-toronto-blue-jays-sad-place-20170712.html?utm_campaign=Inquirer+Twitter+Account&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=social&cid=Inquirer+Twitter+Account
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 12, 2017, 10:26:25 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/jp-crawford-not-impact-player-anymore-says-baseball-america-editor
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on July 12, 2017, 10:34:35 PM
Quote
jp crawford  ✔ @jp_crawford
All it is is motivation..
6:13 PM - 12 Jul 2017

Lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 12:09:47 AM
since his horrible april he has a ~354 on base. 6 homers. 4 this month. small sample size but his ops is well over 1000 this month.

theres hope!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: phillycrew on July 13, 2017, 09:08:05 AM
What do you guys think about CeHe?  I would keep him and not trade him.  I know Kingery is the supposed second coming but he just moved up to AAA and looks like he is built like my 14 year old daughter.  If anything, I would try to move Rupp since Alfaro is definitely coming up next year and they can get by with Knapp.  Same thing with Tommy Joseph since Hopkins is coming up next year.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 13, 2017, 09:31:32 AM
you definitely move cesar....were they the same age then you evaluate who you think has the bigger upside but by the time they are in any kind of contention cesar will be in his 30's so you gotta go with the kid who you invested a high pick in and who you developed thru your system

rupp has negative value...i cant see him going anywhere cept maybe into a volanco
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 09:59:40 AM
let the legend of sixto grow

https://t.co/BTCAcr0sm4
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 13, 2017, 11:37:23 AM
let the legend of sixto grow

https://t.co/BTCAcr0sm4

So, when does his arm fall off?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 13, 2017, 11:39:10 AM
let the legend of sixto grow

https://t.co/BTCAcr0sm4

So, when does his arm fall off?

geez hes only 18.....give him some time
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on July 13, 2017, 11:41:37 AM
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/07/13/report-phillies-trade-giancarlo-stanton-christian-yelich/

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According to Rosenthal, the Phillies have been “vocal” about their desire for Yelich, but they are not interested in Stanton — “according to high-ranking officials with both clubs.”

I'm trying to rationalize why they wouldn't want Stanton. Your corner outfielders would be set for years. I realize Stanton has a monster contract but the Phillies have plenty of money to spend. They become infinitely more interesting with Stanton. Yeah, I know, they're not close so why make a deal for a guy like Stanton...my reply would be he's a piece to build around. Plus fans would show up to the park to see Stanton. Right now they have nobody worth watching.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 13, 2017, 11:49:43 AM
no interest can mean a lot of things....it could mean they arent interested in paying the price the marlins are asking which at this point has to be other worldly

also stanton is a very good player but not great player at this point....hes really fallen off since getting hit in the face...and his contract is utterly ridiculous....i wouldnt say id have no interest but i have little ineterest in taking him on and im definitely not paying an exorbitant price for him
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 12:05:11 PM
I'm trying to rationalize why they wouldn't want Stanton.

because he has a crippling contract and power hitters tend to suck the later they go into their career (see howard, ryan)

if the contract ended in 2022 or something, theyd have no reason not to do it. but it ends in 2028. you dont figure to be competitive for a few years, so adding stanton to a 55-win team to make them a 60-win team doesnt really seem worthwhile.

not to mention, they are loaded with outfield prospects and a better player named bryce harper is a free agent in 2018. if you want to sign up for a crippling contract, do it for the first ballot hall of famer.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 13, 2017, 12:22:00 PM
let the legend of sixto grow

https://t.co/BTCAcr0sm4

So, when does his arm fall off?

geez hes only 18.....give him some time

This is the Phillies we're talking about.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on July 13, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
I'm trying to rationalize why they wouldn't want Stanton.

because he has a crippling contract and power hitters tend to suck the later they go into their career (see howard, ryan)

if the contract ended in 2022 or something, theyd have no reason not to do it. but it ends in 2028. you dont figure to be competitive for a few years, so adding stanton to a 55-win team to make them a 60-win team doesnt really seem worthwhile.

not to mention, they are loaded with outfield prospects and a better player named bryce harper is a free agent in 2018. if you want to sign up for a crippling contract, do it for the first ballot hall of famer.

They aren't 'loaded' with outfield prospects. Which one has the potential to turn into a star? Moniak/Quinn/Williams/Cozens/Randolph? Just because you have an abundance of prospects doesn't mean you're 'loaded'. They'll be lucky if 1 or 2 of them turns into an everyday above average player.

And Harper isn't a guarantee. He's only 3 years younger than Stanton.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
loaded doesnt mean theyre all awesome, it just means they have a lot of them. you dont know how theyre going to turn out. altherr was forgotten and hes been their best hitter. herrera was a rule v pick. you just want to have as many lotto tickets as possible and hope a few work out.

stanton is a very good player with a very bad contract. if the phillies were ready to win now, hed make more sense, especially if you can get some salary assistance. but they wont be ready to win until stanton is 30. and at that point, hed still have 7 years left on his deal.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 13, 2017, 01:26:53 PM
prospects have nothing to do with it...its all about that heinous contract
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 13, 2017, 02:42:36 PM
And why they'd be insistent upon getting Yelich in the deal
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 02:52:03 PM
from heymans column

Quote
Responding to a person who remarked that the Phillies are a couple years away, a Phillies person honestly said, “maybe more than a couple.”

j - thoughts?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 13, 2017, 02:59:30 PM
That's such bullshtein.  They could contend in a hot minute if they bought a real team.  Keep accepting the lies of owners of losing franchises.   It's what they count on.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 13, 2017, 03:13:21 PM
you cant buy teams in baseball and even if you could who the hell would go to the phillies right now
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 03:23:51 PM
if they had just signed matt weiters they would have 50 wins now
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 13, 2017, 03:54:40 PM
you cant buy teams in baseball and even if you could who the hell would go to the phillies right now

A team with $150M in payroll flexibility and a few billion in the pipeline can buy whatever the farg they want. 

And players will go to the highest bidder regardless of wins and losses. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 13, 2017, 04:10:39 PM
you have to build from your system first and then you can try to fill in with free agents...and even when you go after free agents you have to have an appealing franchise and then you have to outbid the other big boys in the league for the best free agents

1. their system hasnt done shtein yet
2. they are not a destination for anyone
3. they still have to prove they can outbid the big boys (once they are on an even playing field with them as far as free agent appeal)

again you cant buy a team in baseball so buckle in tight for another three or four years and maybe then they will be competing for a playoff spot
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 04:19:55 PM
romey can you name 1 team that had a sustained level of success with the core group coming from free agency?

ill answer it for you. it doesnt exist.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 13, 2017, 08:06:07 PM
from heymans column

Quote
Responding to a person who remarked that the Phillies are a couple years away, a Phillies person honestly said, “maybe more than a couple.”

j - thoughts?

Fire whomever said that and any loser who won't be aggressive in building the team and getting someone at the head of the ship who will push the right buttons
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 13, 2017, 09:41:06 PM
jp just socked another
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 13, 2017, 11:43:46 PM
jp just socked another

off bartolo colon
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 14, 2017, 10:58:34 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEqYYz5XcAMBlhK.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 14, 2017, 11:17:54 AM
There is no way he doesn't end up in the Hall of Fame. 

Wearing a Yankee cap. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 14, 2017, 02:40:15 PM
ortiz: 276/432/500. 3 homers. 3 steals. 10 bb. 16 k. a very good 17 games in short-season A ball for someone that shouldve just graduated high school.

haseley: 375/458/500. 1 homer. 3 steals. 6 bb. 10 k. advanced college hitter doing what he should. hoping he can find his way to lakewood soon.

gowdy: has not pitched. great sign!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on July 14, 2017, 02:45:03 PM
There is no way he doesn't end up in the Hall of Fame. 

Wearing a Yankee cap.

shut it, you.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 14, 2017, 05:21:28 PM
Kiss of death for Sixto

He's going to be the new Jose DeJesus
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 14, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
these powder blues are from a different galaxy

pivetta throwing 97 hello
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 14, 2017, 09:01:37 PM
Hello 8 run bottom of the 2nd

Welcome back baseball

When's training camp open?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 14, 2017, 09:03:53 PM
these powder blues are from a different galaxy

pivetta throwing 97 hello

Braun hitting it out 197 good-bye...
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 14, 2017, 09:09:40 PM
first 4 ABs: 4 ks
next 8 ABs: yikes

bring up sixto
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 14, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
Altherr is hurt

Oh good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 14, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
When's training camp open?

About three months before we start asking when pitchers and catchers report.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 14, 2017, 09:49:17 PM
I hate you sir  :'(
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 14, 2017, 11:16:28 PM
When's training camp open?

About three months before we start asking when pitchers and catchers report.

That long?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 15, 2017, 09:52:14 PM
just looked up at the tv and thought the pitcher was batting

turns out it was brock stassi
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 15, 2017, 10:39:34 PM
He farged up on the bases, too. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 15, 2017, 10:50:50 PM
i totally get why they are afraid to give kingery a spot on the 40 man when you have stassi and perkins on there. gotta protect those guys.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 16, 2017, 03:26:24 PM
the powder blues are obviously pure butter but they are on another level when gettin rocked like daniel nava with the socks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 16, 2017, 05:30:45 PM
THEY WON :crazy
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 16, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
question is are the powder's better than the home white maroon's?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 16, 2017, 07:25:16 PM
easily....powder blues are better than the buddy kelly greens

im trying really hard to think of a better sports uniform ever
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 16, 2017, 07:34:09 PM
I like the home maroon/white better than the powder blues.

Home maroon
Powder blue
Road gray maroon
Current home white
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 16, 2017, 07:55:22 PM
your record breaking streak of bad sports takes continues....
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 16, 2017, 08:22:50 PM
Oh ok thanks, Skip Havless.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 16, 2017, 08:34:32 PM
lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 16, 2017, 08:50:09 PM
The Phillies are an elite franchise when it comes to their uniform and mascot games. They are an above average franchise in terms of the stadium, concessions, and radio broadcast. They are among the worst franchises at doing baseball.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 16, 2017, 09:11:53 PM
I like the home maroon/white better than the powder blues.

Home maroon
Powder blue
Road gray maroon
Current home white

i think im with you on the home maroon but jesus christ the road grays are horrid
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 16, 2017, 09:34:58 PM
road greys are way better than maroon homes
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 16, 2017, 09:41:23 PM
road greys are eliminated because they say phillies...need to say philadelphia or phila or just be the p
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 16, 2017, 09:52:16 PM
im talking about the old greys with the p and number on the front

not a big fan of the 'phillies' greys but i dont think they are terrible
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 16, 2017, 10:33:21 PM
oh. still false.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 17, 2017, 03:49:48 PM
MDS, what's the word on Nick Fanti?  Apparently he's damn near unhittable in Lakewood. (http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/phillies-pitching-prospect-nick-fanti-involved-second-no-hitter-season)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 17, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
The powder blues are almost as perfect as it gets.  The tough guys in the 70's hated them, but they mostly choked anyway, so farg them bitches. 

I still wear my maroon cap.  I have several of the cotton slouch variety. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 17, 2017, 04:33:01 PM
MDS, what's the word on Nick Fanti?  Apparently he's damn near unhittable in Lakewood. (http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/phillies-pitching-prospect-nick-fanti-involved-second-no-hitter-season)

his stats are great. 94 strikeouts. 17 walks. 0.87 whip. keeps the ball on the ground.

not a super hard thrower, though. coach said he "could" add more velo the stronger he gets. hes 20 years old in A ball. my expectations would be pretty low with this one. but results are results.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 17, 2017, 04:57:50 PM
The powder blues are almost as perfect as it gets.  The tough guys in the 70's hated them, but they mostly choked anyway, so farg them bitches. 

I still wear my maroon cap.  I have several of the cotton slouch variety.

Still have my old maroon cap as well.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 17, 2017, 05:56:07 PM
I remember my grandpop buying me my first fitted maroon cap from Modell's back in the day. $19.99 and to 10 year old me that seemed like a million bucks.

farging things are damn near $40 now.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 17, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
I still have my first one from about 1980 or so.  It's in horrible condition because someone got shtein faced and put it in the laundry by mistake.  Wool shrinks evidently. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 17, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
I remember my grandpop buying me my first fitted maroon cap from Modell's back in the day. $19.99 and to 10 year old me that seemed like a million bucks.

farging things are damn near $40 now.

$19.99 in 1988 is $42.32 today
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 17, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
Why do these farging iceholes keep pitching to Mike Stanton? 

Stooopid.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 17, 2017, 09:43:53 PM
Brock Stassi needs to be shot.  With an elephant gun.  Or that new laser gun the navy is testing tonight.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 17, 2017, 09:45:26 PM
Brock Stassi needs to be shot.  With an elephant gun.  Or that new laser gun the navy is testing tonight.

i kinda feel bad for him. hes the last player on the bench on the worst team in baseball and still doesnt belong
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 17, 2017, 10:51:17 PM
Maybe they shouldn't put that other future HOFer Ty Kelly in the outfield next time.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 17, 2017, 11:08:33 PM
this was one of the most fun games of the year

sure they lost because their crappy below replacement level player middle infielder misjudged a ball in right field, where he was playing for some reason, but it was fun.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 17, 2017, 11:27:50 PM
this was one of the most fun games of the year

sure they lost because their crappy below replacement level player middle infielder misjudged a ball in right field, where he was playing for some reason, but it was fun.

Thought about going.  But it's a two-hour-plus drive through 75 miles of nothing turning into Miami traffic and horizontal rain.  Plus, the Phillies...

I think if I had been at the game, you may have seen my on the field trying to throttle Ty Kelly.  Or MacKanin for being stupid enough to put an infielder in the outfielder.

That's right, you would have been seeing me go all Phreak on their asses.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2017, 12:03:53 AM
You should've gone. I support your desire to fight someone.

I'll pitch in for bail.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 18, 2017, 05:24:13 AM
Brock Stassi needs to be shot.  With an elephant gun.  Or that new laser gun the navy is testing tonight.

i kinda feel bad for him. hes the last player on the bench on the worst team in baseball and still doesnt belong

but he cried when he made the team
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 18, 2017, 12:43:23 PM
jp last 3 games
1/3, bb
2/4, 2b, 3b
2/4, hr, bb, k

obp up to 334
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 18, 2017, 12:48:26 PM
91 games is pretty arbitrary and its classic roob but still how bad is the phillies franchise as a whole...you could probably come up with a similar list for any even semi lengthy period of time over the last 135 years and the phils would dominate it

Quote
@RoobCSN   Worst records after 91 games by N.L. teams since 1970
26-65 … Nationals, 2009
27-64 … Phils, 1997
29-62 … Phils, 2015
30-61 … Phils, 2017
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 18, 2017, 12:50:20 PM
the nationals drafted bryce harper on the backs of that season

the phillies:
1998 - burrell
2016 - moniak
2018 - ?

of course.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: phattymatty on July 18, 2017, 02:35:08 PM

2016 - moniak



where is this guy?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 18, 2017, 03:05:58 PM
2019 - ?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 18, 2017, 04:15:45 PM
There was a 10 year period where the Phils drafted pretty astutely but they've gotten wrecked the last decade or so. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2017, 09:44:31 PM
Nick Williams is on fire.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 18, 2017, 10:02:59 PM
doubt hes anything special but an opposite field homer is something
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2017, 10:31:27 PM
Should prob send his ass back to AAA. That'll make you happy.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 18, 2017, 10:51:40 PM
how many mvp's will he win
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2017, 10:52:42 PM
47
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 18, 2017, 10:56:38 PM
he has 2 walks and 13 strikeouts. might be more like 45 or 46.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 18, 2017, 11:27:21 PM
The walks will come. Young guys have to get acclimated to the bigs and the strike zone
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 19, 2017, 05:28:34 AM
his walk rate was horrendous at every level of the minors
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 19, 2017, 06:12:20 PM
.963 OPS thru his first 16 games.   Definitely send him packing.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 19, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
Yeah he's a bum.

Shocked to see 20 hits today. That's like a week's worth for them.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 19, 2017, 09:34:06 PM
.963 OPS thru his first 16 games.   Definitely send him packing.

HOF brown was awesome for seven minutes too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on July 19, 2017, 11:01:33 PM
.963 OPS thru his first 16 games.   Definitely send him packing.

HOF brown was awesome for seven minutes too

Listen you!  There are certain names we don't mention on this board.

Watching Harper v Trout last night made me cry.  Of course that was after watching Los Doyers win their tenth in a row (about to make it 11).
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 19, 2017, 11:44:58 PM
.963 OPS thru his first 16 games.   Definitely send him packing.

Yeah he's a bum.

its like talking to two members of r/the_donald

nobody is saying to send williams down or throw him into the sun. but there are some significant flaws in his game that figure to be exposed. many players have had a few weeks of success early in their careers.

but by all means play him and see what happens. i think theres a chance of an mlb player here. a starter? no. a platoon player? maybe.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 21, 2017, 08:16:46 AM
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/nick-williams-giving-phillies-missing-ingredient-feared-hitter-early-career

CUT HIM NOW!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 21, 2017, 10:27:55 AM
https://www.si.com/mlb/strike-zone/2013/06/02/video-domonic-brown-home-run-misses-cycle-first-walk
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 21, 2017, 10:36:18 AM
jp 3/5 last night

373 obp and 1.025 ops in 18 games this month
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 21, 2017, 03:11:58 PM
after 20 games at lehigh. kingery:

280/315/463
4 homers. 7 steals. 5 walks. 20 strikeouts.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 21, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
TRADR HIM NOW.  HES GONNA SUCK!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 21, 2017, 08:44:00 PM
anyone else getting at least a chubster for aaron nola?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 22, 2017, 07:11:13 PM
kingery triple jp double
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 22, 2017, 08:16:55 PM
jp is now 3/3

also zolecki latest report is that there is no market for tommy joseph, which is you know of course. hoskins in AAA forever.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 22, 2017, 10:31:01 PM
ya boys be FIGHTIN
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 22, 2017, 10:34:18 PM
so bunting

4 hits in a row against barnes...then they BUNT with one of their best hitters....perkins fargs up the sign and runs on the pitch. bunt is popped up. double play.

BUNTING. IS. DUMB.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on July 22, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
That was awful!  I mean we all know this tem is really bad but that was just pathetic.  Like you said, no one out, and you are slapping this dude silly and you bunt right into a double play!

And then there's Neris.  Good farging God!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 23, 2017, 01:33:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CARDBUIUcAANZbq.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 23, 2017, 07:00:42 PM
nick williams with another oppo bop today...i hope you all like winning because now the phils and giants have the same number of losses
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on July 24, 2017, 11:59:12 PM
https://twitter.com/Phillies/status/889694103390310400
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 26, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
neanderthal fans shouting to trade or demote odubel is why nobody should ever call this fan base "intelligent."
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 26, 2017, 11:53:56 AM
you're right.  they should just let him keep farging up with no repercussions. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 26, 2017, 12:10:26 PM
There might be ways to discipline the best player on the team that don't involve kicking him off the team.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 26, 2017, 12:21:51 PM
you're right.  they should just let him keep farging up with no repercussions. 

they should put him in timeout or take away his tv time? what is he a farging teenager who came home after curfew.

odubel is who he is. a very talented player prone to brain farts. sometimes its a baseball iq thing, sometimes its a hustle thing. his production makes up for it, right now.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 26, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
Oy. 

If you have an employee who is generally productive and sometimes above average but constantly fargs up and refuses to change, you have two choices:  Remediation or elimination. 

They've done the first part.  Repeatedly.  Now what's left?   He's clearly not getting the message, so sterner measures are called for. 

That's how the real world works, kid. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 26, 2017, 01:14:04 PM
shane victorino did incredibly dumb shtein for years.....the difference was they were winning then...then again a lot of the phillie fanbase used to want jimmy rollins gone...so perhaps people are just stupid
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 26, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
Oy. 

If you have an employee who is generally productive and sometimes above average but constantly fargs up and refuses to change, you have two choices:  Remediation or elimination. 

They've done the first part.  Repeatedly.  Now what's left?   He's clearly not getting the message, so sterner measures are called for. 

That's how the real world works, kid.

nah the real world it works if youre good at what you do theyll put up with dumb shtein. odubel is good at what he does. you put up with some dumb shtein.

there will come a time when the negatives wont make up for the positives, or youll have some better options, but that time is not now.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on July 26, 2017, 01:53:18 PM
finally, different argument on this board.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 26, 2017, 02:52:46 PM
He actually still has value because some dumb ass team will take him thinking he'll get with the program.  He won't because he's a farging cranial lump and the Phillies will continue to let him get away with this bullshtein.  That's why they have 2 wins in seven generations.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 26, 2017, 03:17:49 PM
I really don't think that Herrera types not running out dropped third strikes is the reason why the Phillies don't win often.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 26, 2017, 05:24:54 PM
They didn't win in 2009 because of Herrera. 

#fact
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 26, 2017, 09:43:56 PM
aaron nola > you
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on July 26, 2017, 10:13:31 PM
JP grand slam inside the park HR

http://www.csnphilly.com/video/jp-crawford-hits-inside-park-grand-slam-ironpigs
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 26, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
That was some terrible play by the catcher.  You have the ball, block the damn plate.

Good to see Crawford start to climb from that awful slump. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 26, 2017, 10:42:55 PM
obp over 340 now...thats his season obp which includes 2 beyond atrocious months

my hope for next year is him at ss and freddy as a super sub.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 26, 2017, 10:47:40 PM
Neshek to Colorado for three prospects

Great trade. Who'd we get?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 26, 2017, 10:49:16 PM
SS Jose Gomez and RHPs Alejandro Requena and J.D. Hammer coming to Phillies.

From Zolecki

Ok scout mds...get to work
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on July 26, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
Quote
Phillies have traded RHP Pat Neshek & cash to Colorado for SS Jose Gomez & RHPs Alejandro Requena & J.D. Hammer.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on July 26, 2017, 10:54:43 PM
https://twitter.com/phillies/status/890402689909182464

Eagerly awaiting Havas' response to Hammer's pic
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 26, 2017, 10:55:49 PM
the guys they got back for neshak:

gomez - 20 years old. low a. middle infielder. 324/374/437. 4 hr. 18 sb (11 cs). 57 k. 18 bb. #21 prospect
hammer - 23 years old. high a. reliever. 12 ip. 18 k. 1.58 whip. last year: 30 ip. 47 k. 0.73 whip.
requena - 20 years old. low a. starter. 117 ip. 97 k. 25 bb. 2.85 era. 1.09 whip.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 26, 2017, 11:07:55 PM
Hammer looks like he could be starting in my 8th grade class in two weeks.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 27, 2017, 11:53:32 AM
Neshek to Colorado for three prospects

Great trade. Who'd we get?

been doing a lot of reading on these guys this morning....doesnt sound like much which is what youd expect from a RP rental but this would be my take from a composite of everything ive seen

requena: really good ability to locate his fastball....throws a high arching curve ball for stikes as well...thats about it...sounds like a possible AAA depth arm

hammer: plus fastball average curve....bad control....garbage...at best might be a bad middle reliever on a bad mlb team but him ever making the bigs seems like a really long shot

gomez: really good bat with solid power to all fields...not so much in the field...probably cant play shortstop...has a realistic shot to be a utility player and nice bat to bring off the bench...easily the most promising of the three
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 27, 2017, 12:16:33 PM
So pencil in Hammer as next year's All Star rep then?

Cool. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on July 27, 2017, 12:20:31 PM
so, jp did well last night.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 27, 2017, 01:12:48 PM
He was out by 20 feet.  That tag attempt was the most ridiculous fail ever. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 27, 2017, 01:47:31 PM
He was out by 20 feet.  That tag attempt was the most ridiculous fail ever.

it was a product of the new major league no collision rule...i guarantee he assumed that jp wasnt allowed to slide because he was there with the ball so he thought he had to just come to him and get tagged
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 27, 2017, 01:51:59 PM
I guess next time the catcher will charge toward to runner rather than be humiliated like that. 

It was still hilarious, though. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 27, 2017, 05:29:33 PM
jp's slide made the showdown on around the horn
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 28, 2017, 12:06:30 PM
gelb story on the outfield
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/nick-williams-odubel-herrera-aaron-altherr-phillies-will-have-outfield-intrigue-in-seasons-final-two-months-matt-gelb.html

with this note on alfaro
Quote
1. Jorge Alfaro: He’s hitting .211 with a .272 on-base percentage and .297 slugging percentage since May 1 and struck out in a third of his plate appearances. A step back, and a concerning one

lookin good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Darren Daulton's had a recurrence of brain cancer.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2017, 10:46:18 PM
Quote
ROSTER MOVE: #Phillies have traded Howie Kendrick and cash to Washington in exchange for LHP McKenzie Mills & international amateur signing bonus pool space.

Mills for Hagerstown (SAL):  12-2, 3.01 ERA, 0.95 WHIP, 118 K in 104.2 IP.  21 years old.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 28, 2017, 11:45:05 PM
hellickson to bmore

money, some minor league named cleavinger and word is a major leaguer. MACHADO!

garrett cleavinger. numbers are shtein in AA but he he has a great k% and was very good last year in high a. loogy. whatever.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 28, 2017, 11:49:44 PM
hellickson to bmore

money, some minor league named cleavinger and word is a major leaguer. MACHADO!

garrett cleavinger. numbers are shtein in AA but he he has a great k% and was very good last year in high a. loogy. whatever.

Garret Cleavinger for Bowie (Eastern):  2-4, 6.28 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, 42K in 38.2 IP.   23 years old.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 29, 2017, 12:00:01 AM
its hyn soo kim, who sucks. hes making 4.2 mil this year, gotta be a salary thing.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 29, 2017, 12:04:56 AM
They got international signing money in both trades tonight.  Anyone in mind?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 29, 2017, 12:05:26 AM
a 16 year old dominican
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 29, 2017, 12:23:18 AM
im guessing kim doesnt play a game here. he has to get hellickson's spot on the 40 as a procedural move, but a pitcher (lively? eflin?) will take helly's spot on the 25. so kim will linger on the 40, get DFAed and thatll be that.

he will join the ranks with danny granger and frank gore as legendary philadelphia athletes to never actually play in philadelphia
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 30, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
VV pitching today instead of throwing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 30, 2017, 10:53:37 PM
another bomb for jp tonight...ops up to 717

gonna have a tough call with him and freddy. freddy's offense is league average but his defense is superb. this is a good major league ss. what to do.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on July 31, 2017, 04:20:11 AM
Freddy's play at SS was beautiful today (yesterday).  If you haven't seen it yet watch the highlights from today's game.  Some of the best defensive plays from a Phillie in a very long time.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 31, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
Is Freddy Galvis even in the major leagues by the time this team is competitive again?

Holy shtein trade him if anyone is willing to part with a front line prospect. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 31, 2017, 09:19:09 AM
Is Freddy Galvis even in the major leagues by the time this team is competitive again?

Holy shtein trade him if anyone is willing to part with a front line prospect.

Loaded question.  We're all going to be dead by the time the Phils are competitive.

Galvis had worked himself into an average hitting and a superior fielding shortstop.   He'd be worth something in a trade, but is still young enough to be a part of the rebuild.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 31, 2017, 09:53:27 AM
Then trade Crawford.  There's no use keeping him if Galvis is your future SS.  I don't buy Galvis as a starter on a World Series contender, and that's what they should be looking for, especially right now. 

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 31, 2017, 10:35:14 AM
brandon crawford when the giants won the world series

12: 4 hr, 653 ops
14: 10 hr, 713 ops

freddy this year: 11 hr, 732 ops

you can win, quite easily, with a gold glove ss putting up respectable offensive numbers.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on July 31, 2017, 11:41:55 AM
I'm pretty sure slap hitting Pedro Feliz was delivering less offense (and definitely less power) as a 3B in 2008 than what Galvis is doing out of SS this year.

He's good. Definitely tradable for the right price, but good. Hopefully the Phillies don't manage to turn two potential SS assets into zero good shortstops.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on July 31, 2017, 12:34:02 PM
That's exactly what I'm concerned about. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 31, 2017, 01:34:54 PM
odubel absolutely crushed that.....what a gorgeous easy swing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on July 31, 2017, 03:52:28 PM
Franco too, wasn't easy swing but shtein did he launch that.

And farg Neris already.  What a POS.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on July 31, 2017, 03:56:58 PM
to be fair to neris that was his fourth inning in the last three days....hes thrown a ton of pitches and still survived
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 31, 2017, 04:09:28 PM
That's exactly what I'm concerned about.

youre concerned about having a good shortstop?

you do realize not every single player on the team is going to be an all star.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on July 31, 2017, 04:16:46 PM
joey benoit goes to shteintsburgh for a A ball relief pitcher

klentak doing DEALS
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on July 31, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
Clearwater is going to be STACKED.  :-D
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 01, 2017, 10:43:11 PM
ben revere hitting 6th for the angels, who also have mike trout

the phillies arent in that bad a spot folks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 02, 2017, 12:59:24 AM
mark lieter vs. pujols: 1-3, 2b, k
mark lieter jr vs. pujols: 1-1, hr, 3 bi
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 02, 2017, 05:19:25 AM
That's exactly what I'm concerned about.

youre concerned about having a good shortstop?

you do realize not every single player on the team is going to be an all star.

(http://phillyinfluencer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/rollinsshocked.jpg)

Say what??
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on August 02, 2017, 09:03:21 AM
so, should pete still go on the wall of fame ?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 02, 2017, 09:11:58 AM
he shouldnt have to begin with
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on August 02, 2017, 09:13:14 AM
agreed, but this is the Phillies.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 02, 2017, 09:29:00 AM
More now than ever. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 02, 2017, 09:40:33 AM
if you wanna put him on the wall of best baseball players to ever play in philadelphia fine....but less than 20% of his hits came in philly....hes simply not a philadelphia phillie and shouldnt be on their wall....its embarrassing

oh but he won them a world series right?.....he was 38th on the 1980 team in WAR
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 02, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
white guys who get their uniform dirty are always going to beloved in a town full of loud, stupid wops and micks

it doesnt matter if they were old and washed up when they played or if they are colossal iceholes or degenerate gamblers that likely threw games or serial pedophiles. CHARLIE HUSTLE
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 02, 2017, 11:19:14 AM
I don't really care.  I only posted that to bait you two drama queens into screaming at the rain over it. 

Mission accomplished. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2017, 11:45:38 AM
I'm not sure if I like Havas citing WAR
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 02, 2017, 11:51:55 AM
I'm not sure if I like math
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 02, 2017, 11:57:32 AM
I actually don't like math. So you're correct.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 02, 2017, 12:17:22 PM
this explains a lot
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 02, 2017, 12:38:10 PM
I'm not sure if I like Havas citing WAR

i dont even know what it is and im sure its idiocy but when your 38th out of 39th in anything its probably not great
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on August 02, 2017, 12:41:24 PM
I don't really care.  I only posted that to bait you two drama queens into screaming at the rain over it. 

Mission accomplished.

shut it you fat mic.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 02, 2017, 12:45:58 PM
peace out scumbag

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/phillies-cancel-pete-rose-ceremony-amid-allegations-20170802.html
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 02, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
I'm not sure if I like Havas citing WAR

i dont even know what it is and im sure its idiocy but when your 38th out of 39th in anything its probably not great

This is a sneaky great post and belongs on the WOF more than Sneaky Pete.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on August 03, 2017, 08:38:35 AM
pete probably wasn't betting on all of this blowing up in his face.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 03, 2017, 09:31:16 AM
hoskins hit 2 more homers last night but its fine dh andrew knapp
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 04, 2017, 09:16:38 PM
Knapp injured (foul ball off throwing hand); Alfaro called up.  (http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-phillies/phillies-call-prospect-jorge-alfaro-andrew-knapp-recovers-bruised-hand)

Where's Jay?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Munson on August 04, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Sitting in the Rock Pile watching them squander this bases loaded nobody out chance.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 04, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
sixto to clearwater is by far the most exciting thing to happen in five years
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 04, 2017, 11:02:39 PM
nick dub might be good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 04, 2017, 11:05:27 PM
once again one of the dumbest 'rules' in all of sports is the it cant be an error in baseball if you dont touch the ball come into play

on no planet should that have been a triple for maik
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 05, 2017, 12:53:50 AM
thats why no talent evaluater looks at errors or fielding %

all about uzr brah
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 05, 2017, 01:02:52 AM
stupid talent evaluaters
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 05, 2017, 10:12:03 AM
altherr is hurt again

cuzzo not coming up for him. since june 18, hes had exactly one game where he hasnt struck out. 43 bb to 149 k. 223/306/443. his 23 hr are worthless. roman quinn still hurt. itll be kim, nava and i guess perkins. yuck.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 05, 2017, 10:18:12 AM
23 hr's are worthless.  #fakestats
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 05, 2017, 10:45:13 AM
when you never reach base and strike out all the time they are
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 05, 2017, 12:56:26 PM
No they're not.  You're confusing home runs with yourself. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 05, 2017, 01:04:25 PM
No they're not.  You're confusing home runs with yourself. 

Zing!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 05, 2017, 03:54:28 PM
sixto has his high A debut tonight and sneaky like in the fine print it casually states that kilome is up to reading....i assume its true and if so thats big

http://www.milb.com/documents/6/6/8/246614668/Game_Notes_Layout_1.pdf
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 05, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
No exaggeration, I was this close to driving down to Palm Beach to watch him start.  My wife was gracious enough to remind me that we're going down there NEXT WEEKEND to see our friends in Ft Lauderdale and it would be stupid to drive down there to watch a minor league baseball game.

I was nice enough to remind her that she wasn't actually invited.

Then I went to get drunk and now I'm eating pizza.

Marriage.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 05, 2017, 09:59:29 PM
If I was still on summer break, I would have gone.  Unfortunately, had an open house at school today that prevented me from driving that far in time.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 05, 2017, 10:07:18 PM
No they're not.  You're confusing home runs with yourself. 

is that a reference to me like feeling a girl up then not being able to farg her? because generally i just strike out but anyway

yes dylan cozens sucks and nobody cares about his homers sandwiched inbetween 1 million outs
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 06, 2017, 01:13:50 AM
dylan cousins is a hero to the worst sub section of philadelphia fans ever
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 06, 2017, 01:34:28 AM
eagles fans?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 06, 2017, 01:38:06 AM
yes and also south jerz phillie fans and munson
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 06, 2017, 05:23:14 AM
Turns out NOT driving three hours to Palm Beach was the best decision I made yesterday. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 06, 2017, 04:39:08 PM
Nola is raping coors
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 06, 2017, 05:34:15 PM
end of the day it doesn't really matter but holy shtein that was a strike
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 06, 2017, 05:55:18 PM
end of the day it doesn't really matter but holy shtein that was a strike

Yeah, not sure if the umpire got fooled by the late break or distracted by Rupp moving a bit getting ready to throw, but that was the worst blown ball/strike ball I've seen in a long time.

Nola can't feed him on that pitch he hit for the double, though.  That's on him.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 06, 2017, 06:10:48 PM
FIGHTIN phils
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 06, 2017, 06:24:46 PM
Did Kruk just start singing "Memories" when Hernandez got hit in the groin?  :-D
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 06, 2017, 06:27:55 PM
Never in doubt...  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 06, 2017, 06:29:05 PM
aaron nola pitched well but didnt get the win so i dont know how he pitched
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 06, 2017, 10:33:48 PM
RIP dutch
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 06, 2017, 10:42:42 PM
That sucks. I didn't realize it had come back in him.

He made a nice career for himself after barely hitting above .200 in his early seasons.

I wonder what the deal is with all these guys dying from brain cancer? Tug, Dutch, Gary Carter...I'm sure I'm missing a few (Quisenberry too I think). All from that same era.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on August 06, 2017, 10:43:11 PM
damn
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 06, 2017, 11:17:38 PM
I wonder what the deal is with all these guys dying from brain cancer? Tug, Dutch, Gary Carter...I'm sure I'm missing a few (Quisenberry too I think). All from that same era.

Hard to say, what with all the chew, booze, and uppers they consumed. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 06, 2017, 11:27:14 PM
whats the deal with brain cancer?

(http://i.imgur.com/k2AqBWT.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 07, 2017, 11:17:55 AM
lol
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 07, 2017, 07:07:04 PM
these are the real stats of a pitcher in the phils system

IP 12.2
H 12
ER 29
BB 27
HBP 11
WP 15
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 07, 2017, 09:33:37 PM
these are the real stats of a pitcher in the phils system

IP 12.2
H 12
ER 29
BB 27
HBP 11
WP 15

I expect his career will be short.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on August 07, 2017, 09:36:27 PM
I thought they already traded Joely.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 09, 2017, 08:43:03 PM
The players weekend jerseys this weekend where they wear nicknames on the back

Hideous

The hat sucks too

There are some good jerseys but the Phils is awful
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 10, 2017, 05:09:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DG5AFk1XoAE0S_I.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 10, 2017, 05:39:34 PM
Who got sent down?  Porn Stache Perkins?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 11, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
by far the best lineup of the season

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DG-L2fFXsAAzMa1.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 11, 2017, 03:56:37 PM
Not according to lil guy who wanted all "kids" to rot in the minors.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 11, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
to be fair alfaro has no business being up but they dont really have an option with him....everything else has been done right
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 11, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
I miss all the posts stating how much J.P. Crawford sucks.

Can we start them again?  Pretty pleeeeeease!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on August 11, 2017, 09:05:35 PM
Let's start bashing Moniak more to see if it works
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 11, 2017, 09:17:09 PM
I miss all the posts stating how much J.P. Crawford sucks.

Can we start them again?  Pretty pleeeeeease!

he's a .240 lifetime hitter at AAA
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 11, 2017, 09:51:53 PM
nick dub certainly didn't help him but man is edubray really bad
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 12, 2017, 05:16:49 PM
Not according to lil guy who wanted all "kids" to rot in the minors.

this isnt even a good troll

alfaro isnt rotting in the minors. hes playing, which he needs to do. he also sucks. hes up because hes the 3rd catcher on the 40. not because he deserves to.

williams wouldnt be up if quinn and altherr were healthy. hes been better than expected but his ceiling is still low.

hoskins ive been clamoring for since may

anybody i miss?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 12, 2017, 06:04:33 PM
Choke signed a minor league deal with Colorado
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 12, 2017, 09:52:51 PM
nola is really farging good....hopefully forever
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 12, 2017, 11:40:32 PM
nola is really farging good....hopefully forever

you told me he was a 4
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 12, 2017, 11:44:32 PM
I said 3/4 and I think he is

not as good as he is now not as bad as he was
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 12, 2017, 11:48:58 PM
nola-singer-sixto in 2020 gonna be for real
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 12, 2017, 11:51:15 PM
if you say so
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 13, 2017, 12:01:44 AM
gonna be real...they need a catcher

nothing internal and its a tough position to find on the open market. other than that its ON
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 13, 2017, 12:05:58 AM
you have at least 5 years of terrible phillie calls under your belt

guess you gotta be right one of these times
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 13, 2017, 12:08:42 AM
ive been right about literally everything

its not my fault they waited 3 years too long to rebuild otherwise theyd be around 500 now
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 13, 2017, 12:10:50 AM
you are mr opposite of everything but sure
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 13, 2017, 12:13:34 AM
my baseball knowledge is unchallenged and unquestioned

this isnt even a conversation. go mop up j's jordan matthews crocodile tears.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 13, 2017, 12:15:41 AM
you actually know way more about NFL than MLB but whatever makes you happy

either way you could be the whitest person I've ever liked
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 14, 2017, 11:24:03 PM
hoskins with an absolute bomb

good thing that was in AAA all season while daniel nava got so many at bats
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 15, 2017, 08:33:40 AM
Hoskins mock high-fiving his teammates after the silent treatment was awesome. 

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2017, 10:16:22 AM
Freddy and Odubel coming unglued defensively in the four run inning was not awesome
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 15, 2017, 11:26:34 AM
But they're core pieces, Jay.  Just ask l'il guy how irreplaceable they are!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 15, 2017, 02:54:58 PM
do me a favor and find me a player with a 780 career ops and a 10.8 war. get that guy and then you can trade odubel. until then, youre just gonna have to put up with him doing something stupid every now and again.

as for freddy, hes an elite defender. i didnt see the play but even if it was terrible, whatever.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 15, 2017, 03:07:35 PM
He's a farging moron.   I don't give a shtein about his seamhead glorified fake stats either.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 15, 2017, 03:13:47 PM
so youd rather have a terrible player who never gets on base instead of a great player who gets on base a lot but occasionally does something stupid?

that makes no sense. odubel is what he is. a great player prone to dumb things. gotta live with it.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2017, 10:09:25 PM
I like both Freddy and ODub

Freddy is indeed elite with the glove. I continue to hope he can become a .275/.280 hitter because if he does then he will be around a long time.

ODub has talent but he's the classic million dollar talent and ten cent head guy. There have been many of those guys pass through the bigs. The hope is the mental part of the game catches up to him.

He's out with a hammy injury tonight btw
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 15, 2017, 10:41:02 PM
j you just echoed what i said but with less evidence and more cliches

ill take it!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2017, 11:03:12 PM
Bring on the nukes

We agree?!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 15, 2017, 11:06:40 PM
that galvis is an exceptional defensive ss with passable offense and that odubel is a top talent with the brain of a peanut....sure?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 16, 2017, 06:14:00 AM
That may be insulting the peanut.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 16, 2017, 06:45:49 AM
I like both Freddy and ODub

Freddy is indeed elite with the glove. I continue to hope he can become a .275/.280 hitter because if he does then he will be around a long time.


freddy is like 2500 PA into his career....hes not going to magically raise his avg 40 pts....and even if he did hes not going to be around long term with what they have coming up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 16, 2017, 07:22:12 AM
Exactly right.  Amazing how certain fans can learn to accept inferior talent especially after having superior talent at the same position for a decade. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 16, 2017, 09:02:11 AM
you cant look at freddy through the contextless prism of batting average, a fairly antiquated and arbitrary stat

hes always going to be somewhere between a 240-260 hitter. right now hes at 256. last year he was at 241. whatever. here's the key

he has a 711 ops, which is 14th among qualified shortstops. offensively, galvis is a league average ss. defensively, he is easily top 5. overall, this makes for a good player -- especially when they improve their lineup and galvis can safely hit 8th.

im not sure if jp crawford is going to be better than this. id like to find out, of course.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 16, 2017, 10:19:02 AM
yeah and his career obp is like .280 which is absolutely horrific

freddy galvis is a below average player on a terrible team....he would probably be a terrible player on a good team...if he fell off a cliff tomorrow no one would remember him....not saying JP is gonna do anything but freddy is not in the very big picture...really why does anyone even care about him
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 16, 2017, 02:46:39 PM
what freddy did in 2013 is of no consequence to now. hes made strides offensively. its the reason hes still here and quite possibly in the majors. 2013/14 freddy wasnt very good.

good shortstops -- seager, correa, turner -- dont hit the open market. galvis is superior to a replacement-level player. they have no viable ss candidates in their minor league system, other than jp. the odds are jp is not going to be better than freddy is, and freddy, overall, is a little above average at his position.

in short, i think galvis just might stick around for a bit.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 16, 2017, 05:22:42 PM
he had a terrible year last year as well.....he hit .240 and was literally last in the majors in obp....LAST
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 16, 2017, 11:04:20 PM
a 274 obp isnt good, but 20 homers are and a 673 ops was 15th among ss. his stats are much better this year! id guess jp starts the year in AAA again, so we'll see next season if what hes doing this year is real.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 17, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
so hes league average in one thing and the worst in the entire league in the other....be proud

also the power numbers are so artificial with the juiced ball...and in fact I'd argue that his home runs ruin his offensive game cause he swings for them all the time which is not what he should be doing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 17, 2017, 11:20:14 AM
ok i dont care enough about freddy galvis to continue this

let me throw out a scenario for you people. the marlins are going to cut salary. would you:
take on chen's contract (10 mil in 18, 20 mil in 19, 22 mil in 20)
to get a below market value christian yelich
18:$7M, 19:$9.75M, 20:$12.5M, 21:$14M, 22:$15M club option

im not touching stanton's contract but chen's is over quickly enough than i see no reason not to do this.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 17, 2017, 04:18:34 PM
Absolutely. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on August 17, 2017, 06:23:04 PM
so hes league average in one thing and the worst in the entire league in the other....be proud

also the power numbers are so artificial with the juiced ball...and in fact I'd argue that his home runs ruin his offensive game cause he swings for them all the time which is not what he should be doing

Idgaf about Freddy Galvis but OBP is a part of OPS.  So his OPS being league average is already factoring in his abominable OBP.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 17, 2017, 07:33:31 PM
yeah but his obp is still LAST in the league

and not last in shortstops...last for every qualified hitter....its disgraceful

and he also still hits .240
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 17, 2017, 07:50:30 PM
We had 10 years of a borderline HOF shortstop but now some of us are happy to accept Freddy Galvis as his replacement.

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2017, 12:18:03 AM
One hit? One goddamn hit?

- Harry Doyle
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 19, 2017, 07:04:27 AM
thankfully they have the number one pick again with only one challenger left

but it's a formidable one in the white sox who sold their entire team off in July and are tanking as hard as I've ever seen a baseball team tank

gonna go down to the wire
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
White Sox players have missed the tank memo then

They've been playing ok lately. Swept the Astros, played the Red Sox and Dodgers close.

That Delmonico dude they got from BAL is on fire.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 19, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
phillies going with two out of position AAA players tonight

who said tank
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 19, 2017, 07:33:39 PM
I tried to explain to a buddy of mine the definition of tanking and he couldn't grasp it baseball-wise.

How do you tank with nine guys?

Ummm.... like this.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on August 19, 2017, 07:44:25 PM
 Trust the process. In 12 years, no one will be able to touch the Phillies all-Moniak team.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 19, 2017, 08:35:27 PM
Reminiscent of the heady days of Ricky Jordan and Juan Bell...
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 19, 2017, 08:44:54 PM
I tried to explain to a buddy of mine the definition of tanking and he couldn't grasp it baseball-wise.

How do you tank with nine guys?

Ummm.... like this.

the white sox are outright tanking...theyve been selling off their players except for abreu. the phillies are just bad. in fact they spent money on saunders, kendrick, buccholz, hellickson, neshak and benoit in an effort to inflate their payroll specifically from an optics standpoint. if ownership didnt give that directive they would have even fewer wins.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 19, 2017, 11:17:45 PM
Ty Kelly  :o
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 19, 2017, 11:30:05 PM
Ty Kelly  stinks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 19, 2017, 11:35:11 PM
Well, yeah... hence the  :o
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on August 20, 2017, 12:42:34 AM
I really thought they were going to lose.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 20, 2017, 12:44:39 AM
me too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 20, 2017, 01:08:23 AM
losses
phila - 77
cws - 74

its ON
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 22, 2017, 05:20:06 AM
got to see kilome in person last night...had some control issues but still scattered 3 hits over 8....man is he a specimen...so young still but looks like a man amongst boys...such an at ease motion where the ball just explodes out of his hand

good stuff
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 22, 2017, 01:50:53 PM
vv out for the year...shocking

interesting signing of henderson alvarez. he had a very good season in 2014, which was the last time he was healthy. hitting 98 recently. why not.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
Yeah not a bad signing at all...doesn't hurt to take a flyer. Interesting he's up to 98 bc I don't recall him having that velocity before
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2017, 09:32:26 PM
What an AB by Blanco

14 pitches and then a homer
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 22, 2017, 09:59:31 PM
Yeah not a bad signing at all...doesn't hurt to take a flyer. Interesting he's up to 98 bc I don't recall him having that velocity before

generally sat 95 but has got up to 98

http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=5669&position=P&pitch=SI&data=pi
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 23, 2017, 08:10:15 PM
Hoskins just hit one halfway to Mars. 

Jesus Christ on a cracker. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 23, 2017, 08:21:08 PM
Been fun to watch him these past few weeks.  Hopefully he can do that on the long term.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 23, 2017, 08:30:48 PM
I don't know who the retard is behind home plate who won't shut the farg up with the Phillies chants but they really need to.  Between her/him and the Marlins announcers, I got 3 innings into the game before I had to mute it
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 23, 2017, 09:37:26 PM
big ups to klentak for keeping this guy in AAA all season so tommy joseph could play 1B and michael saunders/daniel nava could play corner OF
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 24, 2017, 05:25:13 AM
SERVICE CLOCK!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 24, 2017, 07:23:00 AM
they could have brought him up in early june and not lost any of his service time

anyway who cares...if you think hes babe ruth then its good they waited cause him playing would have made the team better and you dont want wins....and if hes a bum which is the most likely scenario then who cares when he comes up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 24, 2017, 09:12:41 AM
yes everyone sucks
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 24, 2017, 09:21:53 AM
in baseball.....usually
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 24, 2017, 09:55:44 AM
i dont think hoskins is going to hit a home run every other game for the rest of his career but his peripherals tell you he has a very good chance to be a solid mlb player in the least. nick williams is a different story.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 24, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
He's hit at every level and he's demonstrated the ability at this early stage to smash mistakes into orbit.  Plus he looks like he's got pretty good plate discipline.

He may end up being a flash in the pan but then again he may be a monster. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 24, 2017, 01:30:26 PM
even if hes solid shtein even if hes great i dont understand the rage people have for having brought him up now instead of june
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 24, 2017, 01:36:30 PM
there he goes again
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 24, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
im going to put a stop to this madness by getting him my fantasy lineup tomorrow...biggest slump ever coming soon
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 24, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
stanton like farg you rook
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 24, 2017, 03:16:49 PM
this therien dude is garbage
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 24, 2017, 03:59:16 PM
Serious question:  What do we do if Hoskins is the real deal?   
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 24, 2017, 04:12:06 PM
come up with a cool nickname for him some funny costumes and form a stadium fan club like the padilla flotilla
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on August 24, 2017, 04:17:23 PM
hoskin's watchmen ?

meh, there's better.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on August 24, 2017, 05:07:42 PM
Serious question:  What do we do if Hoskins is the real deal?   

Run him out of town and throw batteries at him when he comes back with his new team.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 24, 2017, 06:32:35 PM
Rhys's Pieces?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
Serious question:  What do we do if Hoskins is the real deal?

Wait for him to sign a bajillion dollar contract and then blow his knee out
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 24, 2017, 08:03:38 PM
i know you are joking but i believe he will be 31 when they lose control of him...however good or bad his prime years end up being they got him for all of them...shouldnt ever get a monster deal
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on August 24, 2017, 08:06:21 PM
Serious question:  What do we do if Hoskins is the real deal?

Put him in a package for Trout
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 25, 2017, 11:51:50 AM
franco's -1.2 war is 5th-lowest in baseball. his 660 ops is 8th-lowest. hes the only 3b with a negative war. his ops is the worst among 3b and .80 points lower than the next guy.

tommy joseph's -0.8 war is the lowest among 1b. his 736 ops is .3 points off mike napoli.

good work.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 25, 2017, 12:02:32 PM
Translation: they suck.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 25, 2017, 12:08:51 PM
i dont know if i have some uncanny ability that others dont but i can figure that out by watching the games
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 25, 2017, 12:11:15 PM
Haha.  Exactly.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 25, 2017, 08:20:29 PM
9 HR in his first 54 ABs

Quickest in history
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 26, 2017, 11:00:44 AM
for as good as their lineup could be, their pitching could be even worse
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2017, 07:29:10 PM
Holy shtein he's done it again

10
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2017, 07:56:23 PM
Fastest in MLB history
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 26, 2017, 09:25:31 PM
good night...take the loss and rhys does his thing
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 26, 2017, 10:20:45 PM
Holy shtein he's done it again

ahahahahahahahhaah!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2017, 10:39:45 PM
You're deep in the bottle and wrapped in angst tonight so explain to me how that's funny
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 26, 2017, 10:44:24 PM
You're deep in the bottle and wrapped in angst tonight

lol so true...every night


but its still the difference btwn me and you....every dom brown and rhys hoskins is the next babe ruth to you....and to me they are the next pos
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on August 26, 2017, 10:51:47 PM
I mean, he's faster to 10 home runs than the other tens of thousands of people who have played MLB, and he crushed the old record by four games. He's not Babe Ruth, but it's a valid thing for a fan to be interested in.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 26, 2017, 10:56:24 PM
but it's a valid thing for a fan to be interested in.

ill see you in three years.....hope you are right
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2017, 10:57:26 PM
You're deep in the bottle and wrapped in angst tonight

lol so true...every night


but its still the difference btwn me and you....every dom brown and rhys hoskins is the next babe ruth to you....and to me they are the next pos

Ok buddy - what're we drinking tonight?

I'm enjoying beer and some tito's and ginger ale
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 26, 2017, 11:01:28 PM
Ok buddy - what're we drinking tonight?

I'm enjoying beer and some tito's and ginger ale

we went out at one for day drinking tropicannons (look it up)...then i dropped the lady friend (russell shout) back home and went to a disgraceful local bar for vodka sodas....now home taking shots of limoncello and about to go to fridays for long islands
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 26, 2017, 11:22:09 PM
Solid.

Have a hurricane for your boy here riding out a hurricane
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 26, 2017, 11:32:40 PM
i am driving so I can't drink anything less than 6 long islands
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 27, 2017, 01:09:01 AM
4 games now between the phils and the white sox

biggest thing going in philly sports right now
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2017, 03:17:13 PM
Hoskins starts a triple play in the 5th.  Living right, I guess!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 27, 2017, 03:24:44 PM
Nicky dubs
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2017, 03:29:13 PM
Nicky dubs

That was a nice swing.  Always like to see Lackey getting the resting bitch face.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 27, 2017, 03:40:04 PM
this lineup could be pretty interesting especially when they add machado
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 27, 2017, 04:31:13 PM
Hoskins doing business again. 

Incredible. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 28, 2017, 09:01:40 AM
reece coming up live on sportscenter in a few minutes
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 28, 2017, 10:16:25 AM
Stop it, Rhys Hoskins

Can it really be this easy? Rhys Hoskins homered again on Sunday, extending his home-run streak to five games, in Philadelphia’s 6–3 win over the Cubs. That tied not only the longest such streak in Phillies history, it matched the longest home-run streaks by a rookie in major-league history.

The Phillies record was set by Dick Allen in 1969, and previously tied by Mike Schmidt (1979), Bobby Abreu (2005), and Chase Utley (twice during the 2008 season). The MLB rookie record was set by Rudy York in 1937. Hoskins was the sixth player to tie York’s mark, including two active players: Caleb Joseph (2014) and Joc Pederson (2015).

So is there anything Hoskins can’t do? Of course ... let’s see him try to start a triple play. From the outfield. Oh wait, he did that on Sunday too. Hoskins was the first rookie outfielder to participate in a triple play since 1992, when Kenny Lofton did it.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on August 28, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
11 homers versus 8 hits that aren't homers. Obviously the wheels will come off this, but it's farging bizarre.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on August 28, 2017, 10:23:39 AM
come up with a cool nickname for him some funny costumes and form a stadium fan club like the padilla flotilla

Keep hearing "Rhys Lightning"

Horrible
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 28, 2017, 10:27:55 AM
lol...i cant tell if that horrible or if its so horrible its good
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 28, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
I know good puns.  Good puns are a friend of mine.  That's not a good pun. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2017, 10:04:48 PM
Since when did Adam Morgan start doing impressions of a major league pitcher?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 28, 2017, 11:06:12 PM
since he moved to the bullpen and changed his mechanics
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 29, 2017, 10:02:40 AM
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Hoskins fails to homer, but does produce his 25th RBI

Rhys Hoskins failed to extend his home run streak, but he did drive in a run, his 25th RBI in just his 19th career game, in a 2-for-4 performance in Philadelphia’s 6-1 win over the Braves on Monday. Those are the second-fewest games needed to reach 25 RBIs among players who made their major-league debut since RBIs became an official statistic in 1920, behind Mandy Brooks (17 games).
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 29, 2017, 10:23:40 AM
RBI = fake stat. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 29, 2017, 10:31:39 AM
cant knock in runs unless people are on base....cant score runs unless people knock you in

but but but
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on August 29, 2017, 10:55:35 AM
Home runs don't count as runs because they're the product of luck. 

- Seam head logic. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 29, 2017, 11:20:53 AM
actually seamheads love homers

but i guess those 14 rbis and 7 runs hoskins scored without the aid of his own homer were....homerific?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on August 29, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
you cant knock yourself in if you dont hit a home run
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 29, 2017, 11:27:52 AM
you cant knock yourself in if you dont hit a home run

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/kqCgujDZT1SO4/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2017, 06:58:29 PM
Galvis in CF

Da fuq?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on August 30, 2017, 07:18:47 PM
It's clear why they are doing it, and it might even be somewhat defensible. But I'd rather just chalk it up to Pete Mack being a dipshtein.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2017, 07:44:19 PM
Galvis in CF

Da fuq?

*deep breath*

theyre calling up jp soon and he will play some ss. want galvis to start all 162 so giving him some of run is a way to keep him in the lineup. a little silly but galvis has earned the respect of mack and the clubhouse, so
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2017, 08:36:59 PM
I guess...I mean I understand letting him start 162. He does deserve that.

Just shocked me to see him in CF in the box score
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 01, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
How'd they end up with Nicasio?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 01, 2017, 09:49:11 PM
It is amazing to me how far this team has fallen when Freddy Galvis playing 162 games is more important than the development of players who actually have a chance to be there in a few years.   
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on September 02, 2017, 10:39:12 AM
Taking the son down to Miami to watch the bums.  Sorry for guaranteeing the loss.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 02, 2017, 02:34:06 PM
How'd they end up with Nicasio?

waivers. they did the same with seigrest from the cards. their bullpen is garbage and theres nothing in AAA so theyre taking shots in the dark with vets. maybe 1 turns into neshak?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2017, 03:47:02 PM
Wow

Wtf did Pittsburgh let him go for?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on September 02, 2017, 04:09:29 PM
Basically they farged up.

He's gone at the end of the season as an FA, and they know they aren't in the playoff race, so they wanted to trade him away and play the youngins. The only ones biting were some (still unknown) playoff franchise in their division, who offered garbage in return. They felt they couldn't save face making that trade, but they were still cheap enough to want to save his $600k salary and the roster spot. So they outrighted him.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2017, 04:22:37 PM
Wow they look bad there - to save a measly 600k
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on September 02, 2017, 05:12:00 PM
The franchise is cheap as hell. The fans won't like it when they trade Cutch for some cheap guys over the winter either.

The stadium is great but everything else about the team is smalltime.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on September 02, 2017, 07:46:11 PM
Ouch
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on September 04, 2017, 10:57:15 AM
The stadium is great but everything else about the team is smalltime.

Not sure if talking about pirates or phillies.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 04, 2017, 11:15:19 AM
isnt nicasio 32....why is this even a thing...people are acting like the pirates gave up some 24 year old phenom
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on September 04, 2017, 11:20:32 AM
Not sure if talking about pirates or phillies.

CBP is good, not great.

The Phillies are definitely a big league team, just one that's among the worst at developing good players. They do a lot of the non-baseball stuff really well: the uniforms, the mascot, the radio broadcast.

The Pirates are still in the mindset of thinking that a successful season means they now have guys to sell to richer teams. The owner owns Appalachia ski resorts and small town newspapers, he's not exactly Jeff Bezos. Used to be a baseball town before the 70s, now the Buccos are a distant #3 team. Some of the fans were thinking rebirth when they finally made the playoffs after 20 years, but their eyes have since been opened to what their team and their owner are. And a lot of them have stopped going to games now, making the PNC experience that much better for the visiting fan.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 04, 2017, 11:38:28 AM
bank is easily better than pnc....not the view of course but the stadium itself is much better
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 04, 2017, 05:17:19 PM
jp coming up
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 05, 2017, 02:39:41 PM
cesar
freddy
odubs
rhys
nick wil
kim
JP
alfaro
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 06, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
What's the scoop on the infielder they got from STL for Nicasio
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 07, 2017, 10:23:30 PM
hes going to the 40 so im thinking they have him pegged for reserve middle infielder within a few years
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 07, 2017, 10:29:35 PM
phils are over 20 wins away from their vegas preseason win total
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 07, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
shut up they are tied with the giants in the loss column...this shtein is for real now
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 07, 2017, 10:34:04 PM
shut up they are tied with the giants in the loss column...this shtein is for real now

mickey moniak
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 07, 2017, 10:41:20 PM
brady singer
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 07, 2017, 10:57:52 PM
carlos tocci with a walk off base hit to stoke the pigs to a 1-0 series lead
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 08, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
Hoskins tied with Ted Williams for most HRs by a call up after August 1st
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 08, 2017, 10:32:28 PM
What a wild game

JP at short
Freddy sits for the first time
Nick homers
Hoskins homers
ODub plays his worst game as a pro - and that's saying something
Maikel homers to make it 11-10
Alfaro strikes out and pulls a Bo and snaps his bat like a twig

Too bad they couldn't complete the comeback.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 09, 2017, 04:08:58 PM
What's the scoop on the infielder they got from STL for Nicasio

pirates put him on revocable waivers
cubs tried to claim him so the pirates couldnt trade him elsewhere
pirates said farg off and pulled him back
then outright released him hoping hed go to an AL contender
phillies claimed him
and traded him for one of the cards top 20 prospects

thats some gully shtein by klentak
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 09, 2017, 06:57:31 PM

Too bad they couldn't complete the comeback.

no its not

they need to LOSE
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 09, 2017, 10:13:45 PM
farging utter filth from louie gar that inning against some great hitters
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2017, 10:38:29 PM
He's got filthy stuff

Always root for him bc he was out of baseball and cutting hair before getting another shot

Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 11, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
https://www.mlb.com/video/kalas-intro-speech-after-911/c-24674931?tid=16401516
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 11, 2017, 10:17:46 PM
So good.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 12, 2017, 02:21:58 PM
phillies have an off day on a sunday next year
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 12, 2017, 02:36:35 PM
phillies have an off day on a sunday next year

the first week always has some weird scheduling quirks, but that one is new

also: tonight -- Herrera 8, Galvis 6, Altherr 7, Hoskins 3, Williams 9, Franco 5, Alfaro 2, Crawford 4, Pivetta 1
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 12, 2017, 09:30:13 PM
the bank is so small that a blast into the second deck still only gets you 420 feet
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 12, 2017, 11:03:44 PM
Hoskins is nuts
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 13, 2017, 08:31:57 PM
Hoskins AGAIN

farging insane
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 13, 2017, 08:41:09 PM
Nola is dealing. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 14, 2017, 01:50:34 PM
i watched the philadelphia phillies last night and saw the future of baseball
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on September 14, 2017, 05:13:09 PM
I want to be excited about this dude...but then I just keep thinking that it's the Phillies and realize something is bound to go wrong. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 14, 2017, 07:32:53 PM
That was a weird first inning. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2017, 08:10:39 PM
Jesus they're killing it

Hoskins again
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 14, 2017, 08:22:57 PM
They are wearing the fishes out. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on September 15, 2017, 09:01:33 AM
I'm excited as anyone about what Hoskins is doing, but next year will be more telling. The league will have a book on him, we'll get a better barometer of what type of player we're dealing with. I'm tempering my expectations. 25-30 HRs next season is realistic.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 15, 2017, 09:21:55 AM
well hes on pace to hit 83 during a 162 game season, so that doesnt seem possible

gary sanchez came up last year and raked at a historic clip. 281/349/544 this year with 31 bombs. rhys is a more selective hitter than him, but that is reasonable and doable.

2019 will be the start of machado/hoskins and it will be ON
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 15, 2017, 11:33:50 AM
rhys is a more selective hitter

to this point nick williams and alfaro are the ones you have to watch out for as far as massive regression....hoskins plate discipline should always have him ok
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 15, 2017, 11:53:35 AM
alfaro 26 k to 2 bb is a farce. that is unsustainable. but the offensive expectations are a lot low for a catcher than a corner outfielder, so if alfaro can hit 20 homers, get to 250 average wise and have what he does hit go for extra bases...you can live.

nick williams has 77 ks in 67 games. 11 walks. there will be a come down from this and it will not be pretty.

also:
hoskins - 26 bb
joseph 33 bb
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 15, 2017, 12:29:27 PM
Williams has a nice swing and drives the ball to all fields.  Your ridiculous stat nerd bullshtein is stupid.  Please shut the farg up. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 15, 2017, 01:14:07 PM
walk to k ratio might be the number one indicator of future success for young players
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 15, 2017, 01:17:05 PM
Williams has a nice swing and drives the ball to all fields.  Your ridiculous stat nerd bullshtein is stupid.  Please shut the farg up.

please find me a good player with that kind of bb/k ratio
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 15, 2017, 02:05:26 PM
He has 17 walks.  His OPS is .855.  Extrapolated out to 162 games, he'd have 41 walks, 34 doubles, 10 triples, 24 HR's and 116 RBI.

But yes, BB to K ratio is much more important because no one strikes out a lot. 

Clown. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 15, 2017, 02:46:29 PM
Extrapolated out to 162 games, he'd have 41 walks, 34 doubles, 10 triples, 24 HR's and 116 RBI. 

this is dumb....because like hes never played a full season

sample size son
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 15, 2017, 04:36:02 PM
is romey serious with this or is he just bored at work on a friday and on a troll binge

surely a seemingly educated, intelligent person like romey is aware that less than 2 months of games doesnt....
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on September 15, 2017, 04:45:07 PM
I find it odd when otherwise very liberal people yell at clouds for sports stats. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 15, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
romey makes me look like seamhead which is hard to do
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 15, 2017, 07:59:11 PM
If Williams produced at the level he has for an entire season, he'd be a legit ROY candidate.  That's what an extrapolation illustrates.  And 257 at-bats isn't a small sample size. 

But if it makes you feel better to hate another young Philly athlete, have at it. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on September 15, 2017, 08:35:23 PM
If Williams produced at the level he has for an entire season, he'd be a legit ROY candidate.  That's what an extrapolation illustrates.  And 257 at-bats isn't a small sample size. 

But if it makes you feel better to hate another young Philly athlete, have at it.

See: Franco, Maikel

I'm all for rooting for Nick, but he's going to need to improve his plate discipline to be an effective starter the next few years. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 16, 2017, 07:35:00 AM
I understand that and I agree.  I'm not saying he's the next Barry Bonds.  I'm just saying his production thus far warrants a bit more optimism than the "oh my god he suckzz" brothers are willing to allow. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 16, 2017, 11:36:08 AM
And 257 at-bats isn't a small sample size. 

is this a joke?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 16, 2017, 02:58:57 PM
So he strikes out a lot in a small sample size, so that means he won't improve, but he rakes the ball all over the yard in the same sample size, but that means he won't continue hitting the ball?

I see. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 17, 2017, 09:41:48 AM
So he strikes out a lot in a small sample size


no

this is exactly what he did in the minors. against inferior pitching. with little to no scouting, video work and high level gameplans. oh and dudes not always throwing 95+.

he needs to strike out less and walk more or he wont make it as a legit ML player. hes got enough talent to hang around in some capacity, but it wont be an everyday starter.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 17, 2017, 10:28:46 AM
I hope he continues smashing the ball and blossoms into a nice major league starting outfielder.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 17, 2017, 01:01:44 PM
that would be great, but based on career numbers and current peripherals it doesnt appear likely
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on September 17, 2017, 04:31:07 PM
Williams has ability, but needs to learn plate discipline or MLB pitchers will find the holes in his swing.  Similar to Franco in some ways.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him struggle early next year. 

Hopefully he can develop in those areas - if he can, he can become a good long-term MLB hitter.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on September 18, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
How the heck does Neris get away with all that gunk on his cap?  I know it's rosin but that is nasty.

And of course he gives up the bomb to Granderson.  Just beat these pricks please.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 19, 2017, 07:23:44 AM
Has the bomb Altherr hit off Kershaw fell back to Earth yet?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 19, 2017, 09:50:15 AM
hoskins had an unreal walk to set up altherr's bomb. man when machado gets here this lineup could be GOOD
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 20, 2017, 05:59:26 AM
He's just special.  What an AB last night.  Again. 
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 20, 2017, 06:42:05 AM
Phillies might not even end up with the second worst record
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 20, 2017, 09:15:12 AM
So they might not end up with the next Mickey Moniak?!?

The horror!
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 20, 2017, 10:46:55 PM
That was a fun game to watch.  What a great catch by Herrera to end that shtein.  farg Los Doyers.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on September 21, 2017, 04:05:13 PM
Yes, last night's game was a blast to watch.  Actually found myself cheering out loud and screaming at the TV for the first time in several years during a bums game.

The love for Utley is getting creepy.  They just booed when Roberts called him back in to the dugout as he was to lead off the 8th.  Last night pissed me off when he legged out that triple and the kooks at CBP went ape shtein.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 21, 2017, 04:07:50 PM
The love for Utley is getting creepy. 

getting?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on September 21, 2017, 04:14:44 PM
The love for Utley is getting creepy. 

getting?

lol

exactly
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 27, 2017, 10:42:05 AM
phillies win last night dropped them from the first to the third overall pick

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKvNpVtXkAEyIOY.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 27, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
this is amazing

https://twitter.com/i/moments/912766339026210816
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 27, 2017, 02:25:32 PM
omg be still my heart

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKrJGRYX0AEbXLD.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2017, 02:27:03 PM
JIMMMMAAAAYYYYY
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on September 27, 2017, 03:28:36 PM
Jimmy is great and all but what gets my heart going is that "METS' AMAZING COLLAPSE" teaser.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 28, 2017, 09:20:44 AM
their little win last night coupled with the giants 9th inning blowup was the nail in the coffin for the 1

nick - 19 bb, 93 k, 300 ab
alfaro - 2 bb, 33 k, 102 ab
jp - 14 bb, 20 k, 62 ab
rhys- 35 bb, 42 k, 158 ab
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Sgt PSN on September 28, 2017, 10:14:38 AM
this is amazing

https://twitter.com/i/moments/912766339026210816

Calling a 5 year period that resulted in exactly 1 chip a "championship era" is as Philly as it gets.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 28, 2017, 11:21:18 AM
Is there a Trout, Strasburg or Harper in the 2018 draft I’m unaware of?
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on September 28, 2017, 11:37:25 AM
Is there a Trout, Strasburg or Harper in the 2018 draft I’m unaware of?

lil guy wants to be #1 in something, stop shteinting on his dreams.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on September 28, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
Is there a Trout, Strasburg or Harper in the 2018 draft I’m unaware of?

Trout was taken #25 overall. If there's a Trout this year, he should still be available at #3.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 28, 2017, 12:40:25 PM
i always root for the lowest pick possible for all my teams
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 28, 2017, 12:52:08 PM
^  Not sarcasm.  ^
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 28, 2017, 01:45:21 PM
in 5 years, after theyve won 5 world series, we're going to look back on these 2 wins over the nationals as the reason why it happened
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on September 28, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
thankfully you never hyperbole on here.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
phillies mets in the little league classic next year....probably be real tough but im definitely trying to get tickets....throw back butters should be fantastic too
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: smeags on September 29, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
I will trying as well but if goes like this year's, the teams and local baseball organizations get first dibs and then there was a lottery for local fans I believe.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 29, 2017, 01:09:42 PM
they were saying theres 2500 tickets and it mostly goes to llws people. gotta be a limited secondary market if one exists at all.

also last year they wore the players week jerseys for this game...the one with the nicknames on them.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 29, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
mackanin OUT

they are keeping around as a "special assistant to the gm" so he can collect a paycheck. frankly hes been watching some bad baseball for the better part of 5 years so its well deserved.

i thought they were going to keep him in 18 and then get a real manager in 19 but this is a sign things are gonna get real.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 02:20:54 PM
you knew that was happening when he said the other day out loud that he hasnt been told if hes coming back
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 29, 2017, 02:30:27 PM
Paging Dusty Wathan...
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 09:20:00 PM
no one will speak it but Hoskins has been pretty awful in September

this is why he has to do it for a full year to avoid being HOF hoskins
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 09:38:10 PM
broken record time but holy shtein are the mets announcers awesome

I swear they know more about the phils than the phils announcers
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 09:47:18 PM
I hate to put any emphasis on august and sept meaningless games but man has the bullpen been good for the better part of two months
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 29, 2017, 10:09:29 PM
hoskins has some interesting aug/sept splits

79 AB in both
aug - 24 h, 2 2b, 11 hr, 25 bi, 12 bb, 14 k, 304/402/747
sept - 18 h, 5 2b, 7 hr, 22 bi, 23 bb, 28 k 228/406/557

but since sept 14: 6 h, 0 hr, 2 2b, 9 bb, 15 k. on that date he had a 314/442/805 slash line which is simply absurd. this was unsustainable even for a very good player. trout is at 306/444/622 and hoskins is not better than mike trout.

theres enough there to tell me hoskins is going to be good but how good is a damn good question. good.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
he's salt of the earth white so at minimum he's going to be good

he has such a high floor because of attitude and respect for the game
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 29, 2017, 10:33:51 PM
instead of bringing pretzels to the next tailgate im going to bring you a therapist
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 10:41:49 PM
you didn't bring pretzels to the last tailgate and probably never intended to
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 29, 2017, 10:49:04 PM
my inability to be a responsible adult has no bearing on your insane neurosis   
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 10:54:51 PM
you saying you brought pretzels when you didn't is ten times worse than whatever issues I have with my sports teams
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 29, 2017, 10:59:14 PM
i didnt say that...i said WILL bring as next time. though im not even sure if my place is open on monday afternoons so it might be the next 100 game but anyway this dumb and im stopping hoskins is going to be fine

i can only imagine what rome is thinking when he reads this crap
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on September 29, 2017, 11:04:16 PM
as I told you at tailgate I could give a farg if you brought pretzels or not but you did just say next time "instead of pretzels" like you ever brought pretzels
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on September 30, 2017, 03:14:29 AM
I love you both.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Don Ho on September 30, 2017, 03:18:27 AM
Discuss

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One potential candidate is Orioles manager Buck Showalter because he has worked with Phillies president Andy MacPhail and Klentak in the past. Of course, Showalter is under contract with Baltimore, so something would have to change to make him available.
Externally, former Tigers manager Brad Ausmus, Astros bench coach Alex Cora, former Cubs catcher David Ross, former Braves second baseman and Penn alumnus Mark DeRosa, former Phillies outfielder Raul Ibanez, Mariners third-base coach Manny Acta, former Twins manager Ron Gardenhire, White Sox bench coach Joe McEwing and Giants third-base coach Phil Nevin are just a few possibilities. Internally, the Phillies could take a look at Triple-A Lehigh Valley manager Dusty Wathan, Phillies special assistant to the general manager Jorge Velandia and third-base coach Juan Samuel.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on September 30, 2017, 08:49:32 AM
Dusty Wathan is such an overwhelming favorite, I honestly don’t know why the writers are even bothering with their speculation. 

Lol at Buck Showwalter and every other farging fossil out there.  Klentak is 37 and he just fired a senior citizen who thinks analytics are some sort of French sex toys.   

He’s going young and progressive.  Whether that’s Wathan or someone else along those lines is immaterial.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Geowhizzer on September 30, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
36-37 since the all-star break.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on September 30, 2017, 11:28:53 AM
buck should be thrown out of baseball forever for not bringing britton into that playoff game last year. he cannot be trusted even though his track record of winning is unquestioned.

its either going to be wathan or a hispanic assistant coach like alex cora
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2017, 06:55:48 PM
instead of bringing pretzels to the next tailgate im going to bring you a therapist

Lmaooo
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on October 03, 2017, 01:17:07 PM
lol :romey/jbatsignal

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MacPhail expects Phillies will have relatively low payroll in '18 with investments in ballpark, fan experience & analytics/scouting staff.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on October 03, 2017, 02:46:06 PM
by my count they really only have room for 2 starters and 1-2 bullpen pieces free agent wise. maybe a bench bat. by virtue of having 7 position players, 3 starters and 4/5 bullpen pieces too young for long term deals they legit have no opportunity to have a big payroll.

that will not stop angelo, romey and others from digging back into their 1997 playbook though.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: Rome on October 03, 2017, 03:04:13 PM
19 is the year.  Next year is another block in the foundation.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 03, 2017, 03:47:50 PM
lol :romey/jbatsignal

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MacPhail expects Phillies will have relatively low payroll in '18 with investments in ballpark, fan experience & analytics/scouting staff.

Of course.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on October 06, 2017, 11:35:10 AM
According to Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports, three teams were the most aggressive pursuers of Stanton during the leadup to the 2017 trade deadline: San Francisco Giants, St. Louis Cardinals and the Phillies.

That connects with dots that have been placing the Phillies on the forefront of Stanton rumors for months--with several MLB insiders adding fuel to the fire.

Heyman went on to rank the possible landing spots, with the Phillies coming in No. 2 behind the Cardinals.

They have the position players to make a deal, with depth in the middle of the infield and prospects at many positions, though they are quite a bit thinner in the pitching department. The Phillies seem loaded with spending loot thanks to a rich TV deal, and seem primed to go for it. However, they were an also-ran this year, may be at least a year away and can ill-afford to give up any pitching.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: AO1 on October 06, 2017, 01:41:56 PM
I'm still all aboard the Stanton Train.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on October 06, 2017, 03:55:39 PM
im for it if they get some fairly significant salary relief on the backend of the deal. you cant commit to paying him 30 mil when hes in his late 30's. for the next handful of years he will be a monster and they have all the money in the world, so it wont be an issue.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: QB Eagles on October 06, 2017, 04:06:16 PM
im for it if they get some fairly significant salary relief on the backend of the deal.

You know who isn’t for it, then? Derek Jeter.
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: ice grillin you on October 06, 2017, 07:13:10 PM
yeah lol at the marlins giving anyone salary relief....the price to get him might deflate some because of the contract but they aint paying shtein
Title: Re: Phillies 2017 Thread
Post by: MDS on October 07, 2017, 01:31:48 PM
well then let the giants or cardinals get him. they can pay stanton $35 mil when hes a washed up slugger.

ill just pay machado instead