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Title: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 14, 2005, 12:05:43 AM
 :deion
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2005, 02:23:29 AM
Nice win tonight...they're back to 1.5 behind the Astros in the WC chase...

My boy Crazy Vicente is still dealing. He has been for about 7 starts now. Its too damn bad he keeps getting shafted by the offense not scoring for him, but he was on tonight. 97 with crazy movement and got out of a jam in the 6th.

They go for the sweeeeep tomorrow.

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 14, 2005, 02:37:10 AM
Cy Astacio tonight. Of all people, David Bell got the (what we thought) big hit. But that meaningless leadoff hit from Abreu in the 9th, since he can't do anything in the clutch, sure helped things.

Chan Blow Park goes tommorrow. Lets hope he doesn't dominate us like Astacio did.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 14, 2005, 10:00:26 AM
Just an FYI:

Since the All-Star break, Padilla's ERA is 2.23  :evil
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 14, 2005, 10:01:24 AM
He's been awesome.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 14, 2005, 12:12:27 PM
I was following the game online last night and it definately seems like Padilla is finally back to form.  Possibly pitching the best he ever has.  He got into a few jams last night (Bell :boom ) but managed to pitch his way out of them.  It would have been nice for the offense to give him more than just one run but I'm more pissed about Urbina blowing the save than I am for the offense not putting 6 runs on the board.  At least Ryan Howard came through with yet another clutch hit. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 14, 2005, 01:03:55 PM
Bell made a sensational play in the ninth to end the game.

Just sayin'...   :paranoid

Also - the ninth inning rally against Trevor Hoffman was one of the weirdest innings of baseball I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 14, 2005, 04:21:51 PM
Braves won 13-8
Marlins won 4-1
Astros losing 8-0 in the 9th and about to lose 2 of 3 at home to Pissburgh...  :yay
Nationals lead 2-0, looking for a sweep in Colorado
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 14, 2005, 05:49:25 PM
Astros losing 8-0 in the 9th and about to lose 2 of 3 at home to Pissburgh...  :yay

With the score as it is right now for the Phils...they'll only be 1/2 a game out of the WC at the end of the day.  :o :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 14, 2005, 07:14:34 PM
10 straight wins vs. the Pads. Thank you Phils  :)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 14, 2005, 07:29:14 PM
Looks like a whole section of the upper deck was reserved for the Marines today...


Latest wildcard standings:

Astros = 63-54 (3 vs CHC, 4 vs MIL)
Phillies = 63-55 (4 vs WSH, 3 vs PIT)
Nationals = 62-55 (4 at PHI, 3 at NYM)
Marlins = 61-56 (3 vs SD, 4 vs LAD)
Mets = 59-58 (3 vs PIT, 3 vs WSH)


Braves = 68-50 (3 vs LAD, 3 vs SD)

The Phils will miss John Patterson and Zach Duke this week...  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 14, 2005, 08:01:56 PM
Mets = 59-58 (3 vs PIT, 3 vs WSH)

What's sad is they'd be in 1st in the NL West
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 14, 2005, 08:33:36 PM
There are 10 teams in MLB excluding division leaders who could be leading the NL West right now. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 14, 2005, 10:55:22 PM
Check out the name of the main character in this story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050814/ap_on_re_us/gay_radio_prank)

LOL
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 14, 2005, 11:08:44 PM
Check out the name of the main character in this story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050814/ap_on_re_us/gay_radio_prank)

LOL

Kinda gives new meaning to the nickname "Blowberto," doesn't it?

 :-\
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2005, 07:19:05 PM
Phils are already down 3-0 after the top of the 1st :-X

Wilson 2R HR
Johnson solo HR

Come on, Phils!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 15, 2005, 07:31:28 PM
Burrell 2 RBI single! :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 15, 2005, 07:34:54 PM
Burrell 2 RBI single! :yay

He's doing great right now. He's always in the middle of things for this team and its so good to see.  :yay Yes, he still strikes out and doesn't hit as many HRs as some want him to, but his RBIs keep piling on and he's having a really, really solid season.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 15, 2005, 09:52:12 PM
 :boo  Way to once again, suck ass against the division teams.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 15, 2005, 11:58:38 PM
This is a different Phillies team than the one we saw earlier in the year.  Now they go kick ass on the road and crap the bed at home.  Brilliant!  :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 16, 2005, 12:05:30 AM
The Phillies really go out of their way to MAKE you hate them. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 16, 2005, 12:12:42 AM
The Phillies really go out of their way to MAKE you hate them.

In order for them to do that, it would require they put forth some effort. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 16, 2005, 12:26:24 AM
Myers was whining about the RF fence ("put up some yellow tape!") and not getting enough sleep.  Awwww  :-\
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 16, 2005, 12:32:27 AM
Meh. I'm not sweatin' tonight too much. They still have 3 more to go vs. them in this series.

Myers is right about the RF fence though - that was not a HR. I wish fans who reach over would be dragged onto the field and showered with beer bottles. I'd pay to watch that.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 16, 2005, 12:32:52 AM
My friends and I were joking about the excuses they had lined up for this one:

1. CBP is a bandbox
2. Were tired (Washington did play on the west coast, too)
3. Livan was just that good

Bla Bla Bla. They better win the next 3.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 16, 2005, 12:42:56 AM
My friends and I were joking about the excuses they had lined up for this one:

1. CBP is a bandbox
2. Were tired (Washington did play on the west coast, too)
3. Livan was just that good

Bla Bla Bla. They better win the next 3.

You've got friends?!? :D :P
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 16, 2005, 12:44:16 AM
From Jewbilee or wherever he goes during the summer.  Make any soap sculptures lately?  :D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 16, 2005, 01:53:06 AM
Jewbilee :-D Yea, thats pretty much what it was. I swear that camp is goin down the tube, everyone plays magic cards and goes to rocketry. We used to make fun of the kids who did that when I was a camper.

I get 13 days between coming home from camp and having to move in to college. No time to sit back, relax and enjoy the Phillies yearly august collapse.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 16, 2005, 09:51:59 PM
Phanatic makes the mascot HoF (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2135976)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 16, 2005, 10:20:59 PM
After a 2 hour rain delay, Phillies were up 1-0 in the btm of the 1st with runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out. Then the umps called another delay, and now the game has been postponed. Regular game tommorrow night, day/night DH on thursday.

Ryan Drese blows, they probably would've won that game.  :boom

Marlins lost. Braves and Astros both gonna lose. Just our luck.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: mikey418 on August 17, 2005, 08:15:27 AM
I'll be at the game tonight.....sitting 2 rows back from the Phils dugout ;D.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 17, 2005, 02:18:20 PM
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Wednesday, August 17, 2005
Phils thrust themselves into playoff chase
By Jerry Crasnick
ESPN Insider

PHILADELPHIA -- Two Phillies team buses were driving south on Interstate 5 in southern California late Thursday night when Charlie Manuel felt a gnawing sensation in the pit of his stomach. That's a common affliction among big-league managers, who are conditioned to replay decisions in their heads with full knowledge that newspaper columnists and radio talk-show callers will be second-guessing right behind them.

But this time the pangs hit closer to home.

"We're going to pull over here soon, son," Manuel told Greg Casterioto, the team's media relations representative. "I'm hungry."

When an In-N-Out Burger franchise beckoned off the Carlsbad exit with a glare more intense than the ballpark lights that Roy Hobbs obliterated in "The Natural," the gurgling in Manuel's gut was obscured by the squeal of brakes on asphalt. He handed bench coach Gary Varsho a $100 bill and a mandate.

"Get whatever you want," Manuel told Varsho and catching instructor Mick Billmeyer. "I'm buying."

Fifteen double cheeseburgers, 10 orders of fries and plenty of bonding later, the staff members on the first bus were happy and well fed. And on the player bus behind them, Ryan Madson and Ryan Howard bounded off the steps and through the front door of the establishment as if they were spring-loaded.

Properly fortified, the Phillies swept a three-game series in San Diego to finish their West Coast swing at 5-1. Momentum took a holiday with a 6-3 loss to Washington on Monday and a rainout Tuesday, but they have to wonder if things aren't breaking their way.

First a fast-food oasis appears in the California blackness, and now a wild-card berth awaits. The question is, are the Phillies hungry enough to take it?

The Phillies will have to mount their charge without Jim Thome, who is done for the year with an elbow injury. Now it remains to be seen who will step forward to lead the way. Bobby Abreu has only three homers in 109 at-bats since winning the All-Star Game Home Run Derby in Detroit, but Pat Burrell already has 12 RBI in 45 at-bats in August. And Howard, who seemed so tense during a big-league cameo in May, has finally been able to exhale knowing the first-base job is his for at least another two months.

Howard has five singles and no extra-base hits in 38 major-league at-bats against lefties, which means he'll most likely be taking a seat against Dontrelle Willis and Andy Pettitte in games during September. But he's showing the Phillies that those 110 minor-league homers were for real. Manuel keeps dropping Willie Stargell references and comparing Howard with David Ortiz, who also had a knack for hitting the ball the opposite way before developing serious pull power in his late 20s.

Howard hit two big late homers and went 9-for-23 on the trip to Los Angeles and San Diego. Before the series opener with Washington on Monday, Howard relived his big week in California with a pack of reporters at Citizens Bank Park.

"What did you do today?" utility man Tomas Perez asked on the way to his locker.

"I don't know," Howard said. "I guess I hit a home run already."

The Phillies have made themselves a factor by beating up on the always accommodating NL West, posting a 19-6 record against the division this season. They'll conclude the Western portion of their schedule next week with a trip to San Francisco and Arizona.

The bad news is, there's some formidable pitching in their short-term future. Over an 18-day stretch in mid-September, the Phils will face nothing but Atlanta, Houston and Florida. That's an awful lot of Roger Clemens, John Smoltz, A.J. Burnett, et al on the horizon.

Not that Manuel, with his fun-is-good mantra, will show many outward signs of stress. Predictably, Manuel has been an easy target for ridicule in Philly, with his "Charlie from Mayberry" demeanor and occasional head-scratching dugout strategy. It's hard not to chuckle when he makes a reference to Ugueth "Oo-bina" or "Don-telle" Willis.

But ol' Charlie sure is sharp when it comes to human relations. He's coaxed a productive season (.307 with a .365 OBP) out of 38-year-old Kenny Lofton and managed to make things work when Placido Polanco was complaining incessantly about a lack of playing time in April and May. General manager Ed Wade spun Polanco to the Tigers for Urbina in June, and Chase Utley has blossomed as the Phillies' regular second baseman and No. 3 hitter.

When rookie starter Robinson Tejeda was miffed after being pulled in the sixth inning of an 8-5 win in Colorado on July 28, Manuel refused to let the problem fester. He spent the better part of an hour sharing a postgame meal with Tejeda, explaining his decision and emphasizing the value of team goals over individual performances.

On July 1, Vicente Padilla was 3-8 with a 6.96 ERA and hanging by a thread. He has a 1.94 ERA in seven starts since, and Manuel says he stuck with Padilla because he had a "vision" the guy would turn it around.

"He's not a front-runner, and that's important," Phillies closer Billy Wagner said of Manuel. "If you're having a good season, he's not patting you on the back and being around you all the time. He spends more time with the guys who are struggling, pumping them up and making them positive, and that's huge. It's a negative society around here, and you need guys who can motivate you and give you that positive influence. Charlie does that."

By "negative society," Wagner makes it clear that he's referring to sports fans in the 215 area code.

"Everybody here expects us to fall," Wagner said. "Everybody is looking for us to fall apart. You lose a game and it's over."

To which Phillies fans reflexively point out that they have a right to be skeptical, with a total of one postseason appearance to cheer about since 1984. In recent years, the Phils have made a habit of teasing their fans. Just when they appear to be rolling, they go flat. And when they've convinced you it's time to bail, they win three of four. The routine sure can be exasperating to watch.

It's tempting to focus on the new, upbeat mentality that's accompanied the change in managers from Larry Bowa to Manuel, but that's a tired story. The new twist is that after a 2004 season filled with cumbersome expectations, the Phillies are flying below the radar. The new park is two years old, everyone's accustomed to that $90 million payroll, and Terrell Owens and Peter Forsberg aren't leaving a lot of room above the newspaper fold.

Two scouts told Insider that they think the Phillies have the goods to make a run at the wild card, in part because of a bullpen that's close to airtight with Wagner, Urbina and Madson. In the last 35 games, the Phils' pen is 9-2 with a 2.45 ERA. "I'm sure Charlie goes into every game just thinking, 'Let me get to the seventh with my starter,'" one scout said.

While the Phillies' offense is aided by the puny dimensions of Citizens Bank Park, the lineup possesses some attributes that "Moneyball" devotees would love. The Phillies rank third in the National League with 79 stolen bases, but they also lead the league with 451 walks and a .343 on-base percentage. And Burrell and Abreu rank fourth in RBI among NL tandems behind Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez, Miguel Cabrera and Carlos Delgado, and Albert Pujols and Jim Edmonds.

Shortstop Jimmy Rollins might be the team's only defender who qualifies as well above average, but the Phillies catch what they reach. Their 59 errors are the fewest in the majors.

Not surprisingly, it will come down to alleviating skepticism about the starting rotation. Jon Lieber, Brett Myers, Cory Lidle and Padilla don't appear to match up with the staffs in Atlanta, Florida and Houston, and there's certainly not a Pedro in the bunch. Randy Wolf is recovering from Tommy John surgery, Gavin Floyd has a 5.75 ERA for Triple-A Scranton and top prospect Cole Hamels is finished for the year with a back injury, so there aren't a lot of viable alternatives.

"They have no real No. 1 or No. 2," said a National League scout. "Most nights they're coming at you with a 3-4-5 type. But I still think they have enough to stay in the race and keep things interesting."

In Philadelphia, things are almost always interesting. This year the Phillies will just try to make sure it's for the right reasons.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 17, 2005, 07:22:23 PM
They start off again tonight like last night....

Rollins singles
Lofton singles - Rollins to 3rd
Utley hits a sac fly to score Jimmy - Lofton to 2nd
Burrell doubles to score Lofton

Phils lead 2-0.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 17, 2005, 07:24:26 PM
They start off again tonight like last night....

Rollins singles
Lofton singles - Rollins to 3rd
Utley hits a sac fly to score Jimmy - Lofton to 2nd
Burrell doubles to score Lofton

Phils lead 2-0.

sweet...more RBIs. He has been so solid.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 17, 2005, 07:30:21 PM
Good start for them, especially since Loiza (sp?) has owned them this year. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 17, 2005, 07:39:36 PM
Castilla hits a HR
Guzman doubles
Loaiza bunts him to 3rd
Wilkerson lines out to 1st
Vidro singles to CF - Guzman scores

Just like that - game is tied...
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 17, 2005, 07:46:28 PM
:boom

Coming into the game Lieber had given up something like 4 hr in his last 6 starts.  He's the new Eric Milton. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 17, 2005, 07:51:29 PM
Rollins singles again
Lofton doubles - Rollins to 3rd
Utley grounds out to 3rd
Bobby Abreu!! slams a double off the top of the LCF fence (above Lukoil sign) and both runners score!!

4-2 Phils
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 17, 2005, 07:53:05 PM
How long until Leiber gives it back?  Next inning?  Maybe in the 5th?  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 17, 2005, 08:17:31 PM
Leiber pitched a 1-2-3 5th.

 :sly
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 17, 2005, 08:18:15 PM
Leiber pitched a 1-2-3 5th.

 :sly

He pitched a 1-2-3 in each inning except for the one they scored the 2 runs in.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on August 17, 2005, 09:40:07 PM
Phillies move into a tie for the WC.    :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 17, 2005, 10:30:21 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/phils.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 17, 2005, 11:04:15 PM
What?!  Oakland got swept?!  :boom
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 18, 2005, 12:57:02 AM
My buddy called me up in the afternoon, told me he got some free hall of fame club level seats (eh, not as good as i expected). Dont like sitting with corporate phonies, but a free game is a free game. Not too eventful of a game. I do like Manuel's call to take Lieber out of the game. Even though Michaels struck out, you gotta take the PH there. But a win is a win. Good to see Pratt play instead of the very crappy Mike Lieberthal. Tied for the WC lead.....
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 02:40:19 AM
I also was fine with him taking out Lieber. Even though Jon has been pitching well the last 5 or so starts, he has the ability to give up a crooked inning in the blink of an eye. I thought Larry Andersen was going to cry about him taking Lieber out. I like LA and all, but STFU!

The bullpen has been lights out and I'll take my chances with Madson, Ugie and Billy Wags.

Although Madson has been less than stellar this year.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 07:16:32 AM
I also was fine with him taking out Lieber. Even though Jon has been pitching well the last 5 or so starts, he has the ability to give up a crooked inning in the blink of an eye. I thought Larry Andersen was going to cry about him taking Lieber out. I like LA and all, but STFU!

I was fine with it too...I didn't understand why there was so much nonsense being talked about it after the game either.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 07:33:40 AM
 ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/SamiB/phils2.jpg)



The Phils are surging? Are you sure this is the middle of August and not the middle of May? :crazy
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 07:36:58 AM
I thought Cholly made the right decision pinch hitting Michaels for Leiber.  Bases loaded, it's a 4-2 game... you gotta take a chance even though Leiber was dominating up until that point and hadn't thrown a whole lot of pitches yet.

Nice win, though.  I hope this team takes the bull by the balls and seizes this golden opportunity.

It's there for the taking now just fargin take it already.

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 07:39:49 AM
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Losing his head

The Boston Herald reported that former Phillies third baseman Dave Hollins, a coach for the double-A Binghamton Mets, was suspended indefinitely after a wild incident Monday in Portland, Maine.

Hollins stormed the Portland Sea Dogs' dugout from the first-base coach's box after he exchanged words with Portland pitching coach Fernando Arroyo. Hollins took offense that Portland manager Todd Claus asked for a clarification regarding a Binghamton batter being hit by a pitch. Portland hitting coach Russ Morman got to Hollins before Hollins got to Arroyo.

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 07:42:51 AM
From the philly.com writeup on the game:

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Wagner allowed a leadoff hit to Jose Guillen but, after nine fastballs at 97 mph or more, fanned Wilson on a slider, overpowered Tony Blanco with a fastball strikeout and got Castilla to ground to third.

Anyone else have the feeling that Wags is going to pitch MUCH, MUCH better now that the team is actually competing? Something tells me that with an actual goal (playoffs) in sight, he's going to turn it way on.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 18, 2005, 08:21:13 AM
The Phils winning when it counts?  Hard to believe, Harry.

You have to love that Burrell is turning it on when it counts.  He can be a dominating force when he's playing well.

I agree that Manuel did what he had to do.  Bases loaded, opportunity to break the game open, and Michaels has a pretty good track record in those situations.  Didn't work out (way to swing at strike three up at your eyes, moron  :boom), but a good decision IMO.

Looks like the league has figured out Madson a bit.  Hopefully he can make the adjustments needed to regain dominance.

Did anyone else think that the umpire was squeezing Wagner a bit in the 9th?  There were a couple of pitches that I thought were inside corner that were being called balls.  Didn't matter- they weren't going to touch him.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: rjs246 on August 18, 2005, 08:26:35 AM
That Dave Hollins thing reminds me of how retarded baseball is. No physical outlet for frustration so dingis coaches players feel the need to get into fights/punch water coolers/snap bats over their knees to vent. Hey, here's an idea. Play a contact sport and stop being a non-hetero.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 08:29:58 AM
Geez, I turned on WIP to see if there was any Eagles news and all I heard was them BASHING the shtein out of Manuel. Turned it right off.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 08:30:19 AM
Rhea The Mouth is blasting Billy Wags on the show today for comments he made in the Baltimore Sun. She rips him all the time about his comments regarding the fans. I think Billy must've turned her down for a romp in the Motel 6 the way she rips him. Its her favorite past time.

Supposedly Billy said that the fans who boo have no clue and now that the TO situation has hit unprecedented levels of infatuation in the media that will take pressure off of the Phils because everyone is focused on the TO thing.

I wish i could get a hold of that broad's e-mail address. I'm not going to wait on hold for 2 hours to talk for 30 seconds. But I'd like to tell her to STFU about Billy until she gets him on the show and confronts him if she has such a huge problem.

Billy's been on there before and of course they kiss his ass while on air and then rip him later.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 18, 2005, 08:35:34 AM
Is she more like die-a-rhea... or more like gone-o-rhea?  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 09:20:26 AM
LOL.  Serves you all right for listening to that ridiculous stupidity.

I was listening to Baseball This Morning on XM and they were absolutely RIPPING Philly talk radio.

Just awesome.

 :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 09:23:01 AM
LOL.  Serves you all right for listening to that ridiculous stupidity.

I was listening to Baseball This Morning on XM and they were absolutely RIPPING Philly talk radio.

Just awesome.

 :yay

I had it on for 20 seconds...LOL. Roob said he'd be calling in early, but now I think he meant early on the 10am show.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 09:29:27 AM
Yeah, he must be. They just had Eckel on the morning show. So Roob will call into Mike & Ant.

I figured out why Rhea The Bitch was ripping Billy....here's the article. It's because the writer blasts WIP more so she's pissed about that.

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In Philly, diamonds are dull next to a soap opera's glitz

By Dan Connolly, Baltimore Sun Staff

Originally published August 18, 2005

PHILADELPHIA -- The caller knew he was on an island, but he tried, anyway.

It was in between phone interviews with Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Greg Lewis yesterday on WIP, the city's leading sports talk radio station.

WIP had lost contact with Lewis, who had been talking about fellow wide receiver Terrell Owens' much-publicized return to training camp. So the hosts decided to hear from the public until they could get Lewis on the phone again.

The first call came from a Phillies fan who said he felt like the only person in the city excited about the team's four-game series against the Washington Nationals.

He was optimistic about the Phillies' postseason chances, understandable since their 4-3 win over the Nationals last night put them in a first-place tie with the Houston Astros in the wild-card race -- a half-game ahead of Washington.

The caller finished what he had to say. Then the show's hosts buried him. They said the Phillies had little character. They said the Phillies had an inferior starting rotation. Then they hung up on the guy.

And they returned to obsessing about Owens, weeks before the regular-season kickoff.

Welcome to Philadelphia, where it is all T.O. all the time. And where baseball has become an annoying timeout in between Eagles seasons.

The back page of yesterday's Philadelphia Daily News was a picture of Owens with the caption "T-DAY -- Is T.O. in or is he out? Today may tell."

The Philadelphia Inquirer had two Owens stories and a picture above the fold on the sports front. The Phillies were pushed to the bottom of the page -- while legitimately in a pennant race.

"It's a football town. We hear Eagles chants when we're playing," said Phillies reserve catcher Todd Pratt. "It's a football town, which is understandable because they've won. They've been in the playoffs the past four years; we haven't since 1993."

If you think Baltimore's baseball fans have become jaded, take a drive up Interstate 95 to find a real city of baseball indifference.

"I can't see the fans really getting excited unless they knew we were in it or it's toward the end," said starting catcher Mike Lieberthal. "Because I don't feel the fans think that we're going to go, that we're going to be in the playoffs."

No active athlete in any of the four major sports has played in Philadelphia for more consecutive seasons than Lieberthal, who was promoted from the minors in 1994. He has never seen a playoff game here; the 1993 team that lost to the Toronto Blue Jays in the World Series was the last to make the postseason.

He has heard plenty of boos, though.

"They definitely show their disappointment," Lieberthal said. "And they will still show their disappointment until we're in first place or are definitely penciled in as the wild card."

OK, so there has been a 12-year playoff drought here. That's even longer than the one in Baltimore. But let's not compare scars.

The Phillies have had a winning record in three of their past four seasons. They have the fourth-highest payroll in baseball. With their win last night, they are now in second place in the National League East.

Only six weeks remain in the regular season, and the Phillies are in the middle of the hunt, so there should be some optimism here, right? "Until we actually win and go to the playoffs," Lieberthal said, "you'll just be looked down upon, like, 'Oh, you guys [stink] until you actually make' " the postseason.

Billy Wagner, the Phillies' All-Atar closer, has been here for just 1 1/2 seasons, but he already has got the fans figured out.

"They don't even know what they are booing at most of the time," he said. "They yell and boo and they don't know what they are paying attention to or yelling at. They're spelling 'Eagles' the whole game."

You get used to it, Wagner said.

It doesn't bother him that during one of the biggest series of the year, the papers, radio and television stations and many of the city's fans are focused primarily on Owens and his squabbles with Eagles management and players.

There's even some irony here.

Owens' disruptions may cost the Eagles a chance at a fifth straight NFC title game. But, Wagner said, smiling, Owens might actually help the Phillies play in October.

"We love it," Wagner said. "If T.O. wants to take all the pressure off our division race, go right ahead

What is so bad in there?!?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 09:44:07 AM
Actually, I could do without Wagner's constant bitching about the fans, Phreak.

If it weren't for the fans, Wagner would be working at a gas station right now so he should really shut his pie hole.

Also - if he was from Philly or was a fan of the team and had to suffer through nearly two decades of ineptitude, his opinion might be a wee bit different as well.

As for the Eagles chants, I love them.  If you want the fans to stop chanting E-A-G-L-E-S and start chanting P-H-I-L-L-I-E-S, start winning, motherfargers.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 09:46:09 AM
As for the Eagles chants, I love them.  If you want the fans to stop chanting E-A-G-L-E-S and start chanting P-H-I-L-L-I-E-S, start winning, motherfargers.

I think the point is, they ARE winning and they still get the Eagles chants. I used to think it was funny, until they were done constantly through games that the Phillies were kicking ass in. Its become obnoxious.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 18, 2005, 09:47:17 AM


"We love it," Wagner said. "If T.O. wants to take all the pressure off our division race, go right ahead



lol, I dont think Wagner knows what he is talking about. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 09:49:48 AM
Yeah, but its not exactly like he is simply walking into the clubhouse and seeking out a reporter and unloading on the fans. He is asked and he answers. He is a guy who doesn't mince words.

And I'm being straight up honest, but there are some dumbass Phils fans down there. I listen to them on the radio all the time. And next time you're in town...go stand by the bullpen and listen to what Phils fans say to the players (Phils pitchers). I'm fine with blasting the opponents. But some of those dopes are going after Phillies players too and they say dumb shtein.

One guy was bragging that he got kicked out of the diamond club seats for trying to get Utley and Abreu to talk back to him or come after him.

There's some dumbshteins down there, bro. And maybe Billy is basing his thoughts on the majority of the garbage that the fans say to him and othes in the Phils BP.

He's like TO...he's awesome and he says alot of stuff. I just take it with a grain of salt. I don't care what Billy says as long as he is lights out. And he has playoff experience, like Lofton, and they're going to need that veteran guidance if they want to get somewhere.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 09:51:59 AM
I love that Wagner is outspoken, even if he's ripping the fans. Its a breath of fresh air on a team that was full of Scott Rolen-bots until Wags came to town (not including Pratt, Rollins and Michaels).
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: thrillhouse on August 18, 2005, 12:08:23 PM
I'm not a Phils fan, but I dont mind seeing them win.

That said, with them being tied for the lead, what do you guys think are their chances of taking the wild card?  Who is going to challenge them for it?  Will there be meaningful baseball is philly at the end of september?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2005, 12:13:41 PM
The only meaningful baseball in Philly at the end of September is usually being played by the visiting team. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 12:14:59 PM
Just an FYI regarding today's DH:

Quote
Philadelphia, which has swept nine of its last 13 doubleheaders, can move into sole possession of the wild card lead Thursday, when it plays a doubleheader created by Tuesday's rainout.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2005, 12:58:07 PM
Just an FYI regarding today's DH:

Quote
Philadelphia, which has swept nine of its last 13 doubleheaders, can move into sole possession of the wild card lead Thursday, when it plays a doubleheader created by Tuesday's rainout.

I know I’ve made comments about the Phillies blowing it over the last few weeks and all of those comments were made half seriously and half jokingly.  But this is their time to shine.  They’re tied for the WC lead and can take sole possession of it while fending off a division rival at the same time.  In recent years this is the time when the Phils have choked.  If this team has indeed turned a corner and is a  legitimate contender then they’ll show it tonight.  Tonight is the night where they show their true colors. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 02:29:43 PM
Phils up 2-1 in the top of the 4th.

Both pitchers are real high on the pitch count. Both in the upper 60s through 3.

I'm sure when we have to go to the BP early, the morning clowns will be all over Manuel again for pulling Leiber last night.  ::)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 18, 2005, 03:13:18 PM
Still 2-1 in the 6th  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: NGM on August 18, 2005, 04:26:14 PM
Another gem from Padilla.  He got the support he needed this time, though it was only two runs.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 18, 2005, 05:16:01 PM
1/2 game up.  Playoffs, here we come...  :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 18, 2005, 05:16:26 PM
yes! World series is in site!!!!!1
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2005, 05:21:23 PM
Another gem from Padilla. He got the support he needed this time, though it was only two runs.

Hey, that's twice as much as he got last week in San Diego.  :D  :-\
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 18, 2005, 05:59:07 PM
Head-scratcher by Manuel to use Madson, Urbina and Wagner in the day game. Yes they won, but I would've saved one of Urbina or Wagner for the nightcap. However, this is the stretch run and both didn't throw many pitches in the day game. Suck it up and go out there. Jose Mesa did it (against Oakland, in a regular DH, in june  :paranoid ).
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: NGM on August 18, 2005, 06:09:44 PM
Head-scratcher by Manuel to use Madson, Urbina and Wagner in the day game. Yes they won, but I would've saved one of Urbina or Wagner for the nightcap. However, this is the stretch run and both didn't throw many pitches in the day game. Suck it up and go out there. Jose Mesa did it (against Oakland, in a regular DH, in june  :paranoid ).

I thought the same thing but I guess you have to go for the win when you have it.  They might get shelled in the second half and Wagner doesn't contribute at all.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 06:34:24 PM
As for the Eagles chants, I love them.  If you want the fans to stop chanting E-A-G-L-E-S and start chanting P-H-I-L-L-I-E-S, start winning, motherfargers.

I think the point is, they ARE winning and they still get the Eagles chants. I used to think it was funny, until they were done constantly through games that the Phillies were kicking ass in. Its become obnoxious.

Obviously it's obnoxious.  That's the point, PG.   >:D

Isn't the aim of every Philadelphia fan to be irritating to the opposing team or, better yet, the home team?

The message being sent to those assclowns is pretty clear to me.  End 20 years of sucking ass and we'll stop chanting for the team who plays across the street.

In any event, the Phillies are now a season-high nine games over .500 with a very good chance of extending that record to 10 games over .500 tonight.  Now, the cynic in me who has watched this team underachieve for at least the last 4 1/2 seasons is feeling queasy right now, but hey, as I've said many times before, My Name Is Jerome99RIP And I'm A Phillies Phan.

C'est la vie.

(http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/style_emoticons/default/philsP.gif)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2005, 08:36:21 PM
Phils winning 4-3 in the bottom of the 5th.  They were leading 4-0 until a 3 run 5th by the Nats put them back in it.  :-\

Pittsburgh is beating the Mets 4-0 in the 6th.   :yay

The Dodgers are beating Atlanta 2-1 in the 3rd.   :yay

Houston leads the Brewers 1-0 in the 2nd.   :boo

Florida is beating SD 2-0 in the 6th.   :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 09:02:58 PM
David Bell is at bat with two men on and what does that worthless piece of farging shtein do?

You guessed it.  Hits into a double play leaving Burrell at 3rd.

Then Pratt hits a humpback liner to the third baseman who boots it, bobbles it, then calmly throws out the geriatric, arthritic Pratt at 1st by about 10 steps.

Oh, yeah... they're contenders.

 :boom :-D

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 09:09:44 PM
Even though Bell hit the double to knock in Howard, I still hate him. Useless farger.

He's hit into TWENTY GODDAMN DOUBLE-PLAYS! :boo

MDS,

This ain't the time to be saving the bullpen. It's crunch time and those dudes better be ready to have their arms fall off. They have 6 weeks to prepare to pitch when needed.

He did use Rheal tonight and shockingly the Canadian did a good job. Ugie is coming in for the 8th.

I'm not saying use them every night, but when you're in a 1-run game you use your guys. Build a lead in the WC race and keep going after the Braves.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 09:16:42 PM
Urbina gave up a double to Guillen...then he gets Schnieder to fly out to RF..no advance.

Wilson singles to LF and Burrell should've thrown him out but made a poor throw.

4-4 tie game b8th
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 09:17:37 PM
And now Baerga singles to CF...

Wilson scores from 2nd.

5-4 Nats
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 18, 2005, 09:20:14 PM
Manuel is goin get hammered again, since he let up the runs. I would've handled the pen differentley, but there is no excuse for Ugy giving up the runs. It's his fault. However, Manuel will get the blame even if the Phillies come back and win this.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 09:25:47 PM
But I just can't see why he'd get ripped?

What if he used Brito (whose never appeared yet) or Geary?

He already used Cormier in the 7th.

If he uses Cormier for two innings or one of the others (Brito/Geary) and they blow it he'd get ripped anyways, right?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 18, 2005, 09:26:47 PM
The problem is he used the whole "good" bullpen in the 1st game of the doubleheader.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 18, 2005, 09:32:26 PM
But I just can't see why he'd get ripped?

What if he used Brito (whose never appeared yet) or Geary?

He already used Cormier in the 7th.

If he uses Cormier for two innings or one of the others (Brito/Geary) and they blow it he'd get ripped anyways, right?

Anytime something goes wrong, he gets ripped. I'm not saying he's a great manager, he's not. But just because Urbina threw 10 pitches at 330 doesn't give him an excuse to blow this game (which the WIP morons will give him, and blame Manuel for using him).

Manuel played it game by game. Tried to win game 1 without worrying about game 2. Is that smart? Not really. Did it win him game 1? yes. If he holds Urbina or Wagner for game 2 and Fultz or Cormier have to pitch in a tight spot and blow it, he gets hammered.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 09:33:29 PM
FF,

And? What is he supposed to do? Use the bums in case they need the "good" guys in the 2nd game of the DH?

You use your guys to get a win. And it is important to win the 1st game of the DH so you're not pressing to win the 2nd to get a split.

Great...Burrell just grounded into a DP to end the 8th.

Due up in the 9th? Howard, Bell, Pratt.

I hope Howard has a solo shot in him, because we're going to need it.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 18, 2005, 09:34:10 PM
I hope Howard has a solo shot in him, because we're going to need it.

It might be optimistic to think we'll ONLY need that.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 18, 2005, 09:36:54 PM
Theres really nothing else he could've done, since the day game was a 1 run game. Again, I'm not blaming Manuel. The WIP morons will. It's not his fault Urbina gave up 2 runs, Burrell made a horrible throw, Bell sucks, Burrell grounds into a DP...thats the Phillies choking away a game they should've won.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 09:37:22 PM
Choke artist sockcucking pieces of shtein.  All of them.

IF ANYONE EVER ASKS AGAIN, THIS IS WHY WE HATE THE fargING PHILLIES.


(http://www.dogstarr.com/heimlich.gif)


 :boom

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 18, 2005, 09:44:51 PM
I'm happy with 3/4.  They can still do that.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 09:49:05 PM
E-A-G-L-E-S... EAGLES!

 :-D


Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 18, 2005, 09:50:13 PM
Oh well.

They'll sweep Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 09:50:22 PM
Way to steal defeat from the jaws of victory again.

Year after year it's the same bullshtein with them.

Just unreal.

:puke
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 18, 2005, 09:51:57 PM
I'm happy with 3/4.  They can still do that.

Series over.  2-2 split....
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 18, 2005, 09:52:59 PM
I'm happy with 3/4.  They can still do that.

Series over.  2-2 split....

I didn't mean against the Nats.  I meant in the 4 games they had to play over a 3 day span.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 18, 2005, 09:56:14 PM
Nobody in their right mind will blame Manuel for brining in the guys to secure the win.

Could he have done it better?  Sure.  Pitch Urbina 2 innings in Game 1, Wagner 2 innings in Game 2.  To me, that would make more sense, because that would put their work in one stretch, with one warm up.  Current conventional basebal lwisdom won't allow that to happen.

I know that Wagner has been brought into the game in the 8th inning a few times.  This would have been a time that totally made sense.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 10:11:47 PM
Geo... if the hitters had done their job in the clutch, the pitching dilemma would have been a moot point.

They choked.

Time to accept what we have in those losers and start planning for the Eagles and Flyers seasons.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2005, 10:17:36 PM
I don't know if I would call them chokers.  Last year this team would have been dominated in both games.  The fact that they split the DH shows me a little something.  The worst they can end up once the Astros are done (trailing 4-2 in the 7th) playing is a half game back.  Choke artist Phillies would have lost both games and moved to 3rd in the WC standings and been 1.5 games back. 

That being said, they very well should have taken both games but a split isn't catastophic.  If the Brewers hold off the Astros, the Phils will still hold a .5 game lead. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 18, 2005, 10:26:16 PM
Urbina has been a real disappointment.

He's blown six saves since he got to Philly.

That's awful.

 :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 18, 2005, 10:30:55 PM
Urbina has been a real disappointment.

He's blown six saves since he got to Philly.

That's awful.

 :boo

That I agree with 100%.  This team would be much better off with Polanco still in the line up.  I can't fault Ed Wade for making that trade but I can fault him for assembling a team that needed to make it. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 18, 2005, 10:40:01 PM
Braves lost
Marlins won
Mets lost
Astros (Clemens) blew a 2-0 lead and now trail 5-2 in the 9th  :yay :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 18, 2005, 10:54:16 PM
Astros lose.  Phils keep the .5 game lead!  :evil
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 11:15:46 PM
Just curious...was the home plate umpire as bad on TV as he was in person? We were at the game and sitting right behind home plate and the calls were ATROCIOUS from there.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 18, 2005, 11:24:56 PM
The strike 3 on Pratt was a JOKE  :boom


Phillies = 65-57 (3 vs PIT)
Astros = 64-57 (3 remaining vs MIL)
Nationals = 64-57 (3 at NYM)
Marlins = 63-57 (4 vs LAD)
Mets = 61-59 (3 vs WSH)
Brewers = 60-62 (3 remaining at HOU)

Braves = 69-52 (3 vs SD)

PHI vs PIT = Tejeda/Wells, Myers/Williams, (Eude Brito?)/Redman
ATL vs SD = Hampton/Park, Ramirez/P.Astacio, Smoltz/Lawrence
HOU vs MIL = E.Astacio/Davis, W.Rodriguez/Sheets, Pettitte/Santos
WSH at NYM = Patterson/Seo, Livan/Pedro, (TBD)/Benson
FLA vs LAD = Burnett/Houlton, Moehler/Penny, Vargas/Lowe, Willis/Perez
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 18, 2005, 11:27:25 PM
got to sit Diamond Club tonight.  yay. 

world series here we come!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 18, 2005, 11:27:59 PM
The strike 3 on Pratt was a JOKE  :boom

it sure seemed like the calls all night were horrendous....just wanted to know if it seemed the same on TV.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 18, 2005, 11:59:11 PM
Diamond club, eh?  Were you on TV?  Too bad there's no replay tonight...  :P
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 19, 2005, 12:00:27 AM
dont think so, was 15 rows up from home plate.  I dont think the cameras go up there very often. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2005, 05:48:07 AM
Urbina has been a real disappointment.

He's blown six saves since he got to Philly.

That's awful.

 :boo

Romey, I love ya man, but I think you're wrong on this about Urbina. With the exception of the first game that he pitched in here against Texas he has been very solid. Him and Wagner are the best 1-2 combo in the NL as far as set-up man/closer go.

I was a huge Polanco fan and wish he was still here, but I am glad we got Ugie. I wish we could've kept Polanco while getting Ugie still.

Anyways, Urbina has only blown 3 saves here, not 6. He has 5 total on the year (3 in PHL and 2 in DET)

35 games
3-1 record
33.1 IP
16 runs allowed
16 earned runs allowed
17 walks
39 strikeouts

9 of those 16 runs allowed were given up in his first 3 weeks with the Phillies. Since June he has only allowed 7 runs!!

He gave up 4 against Texas and then 2 against the Mets on consecutive nights in June.

I'd say that Ugie has been pretty darn good.

And I understand your frustration with the team, bro. We're all frustrated at times. We wouldn't be Phils fans otherwise.

However, losing that game certainly doesn't mean the season is over. They have 40 games to clinch a playoff spot. They are not going to win all 40 games. They'll lose some along the way. The key is to keep doing what they have since the All-Star break -- win series'.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 07:11:38 AM
Urbina has been a real disappointment.

He's blown six saves since he got to Philly.

That's awful.

 :boo

Romey, I love ya man, but I think you're wrong on this about Urbina. With the exception of the first game that he pitched in here against Texas he has been very solid. Him and Wagner are the best 1-2 combo in the NL as far as set-up man/closer go.

I was a huge Polanco fan and wish he was still here, but I am glad we got Ugie. I wish we could've kept Polanco while getting Ugie still.

Anyways, Urbina has only blown 3 saves here, not 6. He has 5 total on the year (3 in PHL and 2 in DET)

35 games
3-1 record
33.1 IP
16 runs allowed
16 earned runs allowed
17 walks
39 strikeouts

9 of those 16 runs allowed were given up in his first 3 weeks with the Phillies. Since June he has only allowed 7 runs!!

He gave up 4 against Texas and then 2 against the Mets on consecutive nights in June.

I'd say that Ugie has been pretty darn good.

And I understand your frustration with the team, bro. We're all frustrated at times. We wouldn't be Phils fans otherwise.

However, losing that game certainly doesn't mean the season is over. They have 40 games to clinch a playoff spot. They are not going to win all 40 games. They'll lose some along the way. The key is to keep doing what they have since the All-Star break -- win series'.

THANK YOU! I woke up this morning with the full intent on replying to this because I knew Rome was way off (was too tired after the game last night...lol).
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 07:12:01 AM
PS....does anyone here know what kind of car Pat Burrell drives?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 19, 2005, 07:53:39 AM
PS....does anyone here know what kind of car Pat Burrell drives?

An expensive one?

RE: Urbina.  While Romey's stats may have been off a litte, I still think the guy's been a dissappointment.  I won't say he sucks, but he's been inconsistant and blown a few games for us. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 08:22:29 AM
So, what about Madson? Is he a terrible product that we brought up too? Who would you have used in Urbina's spot?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 19, 2005, 08:29:49 AM
Who would you have used in Urbina's spot?

Geoff Geary.  He's money.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 08:44:41 AM
Who would you have used in Urbina's spot?

Geoff Geary.  He's money.

 :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 19, 2005, 08:45:29 AM
apparently, Urbina volunteered to go in the 2nd game.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 19, 2005, 08:54:05 AM
Oh, so I'm just imagining the six blown saves that he's been charged with since he got to Philly?

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050818&content_id=1175437&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home

(Check the box score above.  It says that last night was his sixth blown save.)


Good God.

Where's NB when we need him?

 :-o
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 19, 2005, 09:00:43 AM
HA!  That's what you get for believing everything you read on the internet. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2005, 09:50:39 AM
Oh, so I'm just imagining the six blown saves that he's been charged with since he got to Philly?

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050818&content_id=1175437&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home

(Check the box score above.  It says that last night was his sixth blown save.)


Good God.

Where's NB when we need him?

 :-o

Nope, you're not imagining it. But MLB.com is counting the ones from Detroit too.

Urbina's game-by-game log (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=123584&statType=2)

He has only had 5 save opportunities since he's been in PHL according to that...

I got my info from ESPN.com originally.

And I don't call giving up 7 runs in 6 weeks bad.

Take away his 3 rough outings he had early on and tell me that he sucks. He doesn't. There is no better 1-2 punch in the NL.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 19, 2005, 09:53:35 AM
lmfao
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 19, 2005, 08:12:27 PM
Phils down 4-1 against the butt Pirates.  :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 19, 2005, 08:21:04 PM
Now 6-1.  :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 19, 2005, 08:38:12 PM
Tejeda was not on his game tonight at all. His location was terrible...especially to Wells on that HR.

I hope he's not hitting that "rookie wall" where the amount of innings he's pitching are catching up to him.

Kip Wells is garbage, just like Odalis Perez. But like Perez the Phils continue to make Wells look like an All-Star.

Come on offense...only one HR in the last 6 games. Let's have a comeback tonight...
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 19, 2005, 10:04:41 PM
Looking good tonight, huh suckers?

 :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 19, 2005, 10:12:09 PM
BTW: Urbina has had four save opportunities since coming to the Phils and he's blown all four.

Look at the record, Jay.  You posted it.

July 3rd: Blown Save

July 28th: Blown Save

August 13th: Blown Save

August 18th: Blown Save

Yes, he's won two of the games that he blew the save in but only because of late rallies by the Phils.

He's hardly been a clinch pitcher, dude.  In fact, he's been a clinch to farg it up.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 20, 2005, 03:15:32 AM
Whatever, man...like I said..look at his numbers minus those first few weeks here. The guy has been pitching well. How can you dispute the numbers? In July and August he has been a shut down pitcher. So what he gave the game up the other night? I don't ecpect anyone to be perfect.

Fine me a better 1/2 punch as a setup/closer in the NL or maybe even in the entire ML's.

But I guess you'd rather have Tim Worrell or Turk Wendell back, eh? :P
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 20, 2005, 10:38:42 AM
I think Worrell pitched a 1-2-3 inning the other day against the Cards.  He's awesome.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Dillen on August 20, 2005, 02:36:43 PM
Fine me a better 1/2 punch as a setup/closer in the NL or maybe even in the entire ML's.
Wheeler and Lidge...
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 20, 2005, 02:40:43 PM
Shields/K-Rod
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Dillen on August 20, 2005, 04:02:47 PM
Ok better then or tied with Urbina and Wagner

Astros- Wheeler, Lidge
Angels- Shields, Rodriguez
Nationals- Ayala, Cordero

Those are pretty much it. I think all of them are tied though.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 20, 2005, 05:14:35 PM
Braves lose 7-2 in extra innings.  Phils can gain a game on Atlanta tonight...  :yay

Meanwhile, WSH/NYM tonight is Livan vs Pedro  :o
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 20, 2005, 06:37:52 PM
Geary was sent down to Scranton for a whole 2 days....  :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 20, 2005, 07:50:52 PM
I think he has to stay down there for 10, Ed. But they brought up that Aquilino Lopez dude who they claimed on waivers from the Rockies after he struck out a ton of Phils.

They better win tonight.

By the way - Scott Spiezio was cut today from the Mariners. He's sucked ass this year (.064) but he was a very good 1B/3B when in Anaheim. I'd like to see him given a looksie for a bench guy.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 20, 2005, 07:57:47 PM
Braves lose 7-2 in extra innings.  Phils can gain a game on Atlanta tonight...  :yay

Meanwhile, WSH/NYM tonight is Livan vs Pedro  :o

Mets got 5 off of Livan so far...

Phils losing 1-0

Come on, offense. Let's fargin go!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 20, 2005, 08:39:57 PM
I think he has to stay down there for 10, Ed. But they brought up that Aquilino Lopez dude who they claimed on waivers from the Rockies after he struck out a ton of Phils.

They better win tonight.

By the way - Scott Spiezio was cut today from the Mariners. He's sucked ass this year (.064) but he was a very good 1B/3B when in Anaheim. I'd like to see him given a looksie for a bench guy.

I dunno dude.  .064 is more than twice as bad as Burrell was a couple of years ago during his off year.  What's the deal with him?  I remember him when he was with Anaheim but haven't heard ish about him since.  Was he riding the bench all year and just being used as a PH? 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 20, 2005, 09:43:02 PM
He's been injured plus not playing a lot. That .064 is only for like 46 AB's or something like that.

Brett Myers pitched a CG...Phillies win! :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 20, 2005, 11:19:05 PM
3.5 behind the Braves?  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 20, 2005, 11:23:27 PM
Astros, Marlins and Nats all lost too....  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 20, 2005, 11:24:30 PM
Yup, was a big night. Way to rebound after the debacle last night. Thank GOD Myers pitched a CG, too. That BP needed a night off big time.  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 20, 2005, 11:44:22 PM
Yup, was a big night. Way to rebound after the debacle last night. Thank GOD Myers pitched a CG, too. That BP needed a night off big time.  :yay

Good for my fantasy team as well!  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 20, 2005, 11:45:53 PM
He's been injured plus not playing a lot. That .064 is only for like 46 AB's or something like that.

Brett Myers pitched a CG...Phillies win! :yay

So who do the Phils release/send down to make room for him?  And if he's been bothered by injury this year, is it worth the risk?  He's only got somewhere around 50 ab's all season so I gotta wonder if he'd even be able to get back in the swing of things.  No pun intended.  Just saying that it's crunch time and the Phils are in the WC/Division race and he could be just as much of a liability as he could be some help.  If they can sign him and send him to the minors so he can get some everyday work in, then maybe he could help down the stretch or in the playoffs if the Phils get there.  Otherwise I don't know if it's worth tampering with the roster at this point. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 21, 2005, 01:56:22 AM
I'd rather trade for Edgardo Alfonso (who cleared waivers) than pick up Spiezio. You could send down Chavez or cut Perez, both of whom really don't add much to the team.

Good win tonight. Myers pitched a great game, and by golly, David Bell had a two run double. It's about that old pile of crap did something.

Gotta win tommorrow. You can't have both the Brewers and Pirates take 2/3 on your home field in the same month, let alone the same season.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 21, 2005, 05:35:44 AM
I would sign Spiezio to a minor league deal...no harm in that. Let him get a few AB's at Scranton and see what's up with him.

All's I know is that the bench they have is fargin pathetic. There is no power on it whatsoever.

Good point about Alfonzo, MDS. I'd look into him too.

Peter Gammons said that Wes Helms cleared waivers too. He is a big bopper and can play 1st and 3rd too. He's a RH batter too, which we need off the bench.

Ed Wade better get some help on that goddamn bench though. I think brutal is too nice of a word to describe it.

Ramon Martinez plays once in a blue moon, I'd be willing to see him go if we could get Alfonzo or Helms. But I'd really like to see Tomas Perez get the boot. Martinez is a better hitter than Tomas, but they'd never get rid of Tomas so Martinez wold be the odd man out I guess.

Eude B(ur)rito pitches today and I hope he can go a solid 5 innings...
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 21, 2005, 05:38:18 AM
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Bell, who has struggled this season, is hitting .396 (40-for-101) against left-handers, second best in the majors.

Now THERE'S a guy we should platoon.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 21, 2005, 08:44:57 AM
Personally, I'd like Helms.  Gives us a bit of flexibility (can play 1B, 3B and LF-RF) and a power bat off the bench.

We have Perez and Martines, who is a Perez clone.  We only need one of the two.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 21, 2005, 11:17:27 AM
The thing that really makes me high on Helms is that he is hitting .424 as a PH with 2 HR. He is hitting .280 as a starter, and .303 overall. Even in his limited at bats, he seems a heck of a lot better than David Bell. Or at least someone worth bringing in here to have off the bench. He is making $2 mil+ this year, but who really cares.

Just another litter stat:
Wes Helms averages a HR every 33 AB's (and he's not a full-time starter)
David Bell averages a HR every 69 AB's
Todd Pratt averages a HR every 18 AB's (and he's better than Lieberthal)
Jason Michaels averages a HR every 77 AB's
Tomas Perez doesn't have a homerun this year
Ramon Martinez doesn't have a homerun this year
Inning Ending Chavez hasn't hit the ball past the second basemen this year

So besides Pratt (all his HR's are as a starter), Helms is the best power option we have. Michaels/Lofton work great as the high OBP guy off the bench, Chavez can be your speed guy (if Manuel would use him like Francona used Dave Roberts last year....) and one of Perez/Martinez is your super utility guy. I doubt Wade makes this move, but it would be smart and extreamly beneficial to this team.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 21, 2005, 11:22:19 AM
He is making $2 mil+ this year, but who really cares.

Ed Wade.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 21, 2005, 11:54:29 AM
It's not Wade's money. Monty and the silent partners would be the ones who would veto the deal because of money.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 21, 2005, 12:32:38 PM
He is making $2 mil+ this year, but who really cares.

Ed Wade.

Also, it wouldn't be $2 million for this season.  It would be whatever percentage of the season is left.

What's the status of his contract after this season?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 21, 2005, 03:51:45 PM
Think Eskin was watching his boy Abreu get that clutch double in the bottom of the 7th?  :-D

GREAT slide by Michaels to score the run.

4-3 Phils.  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: NGM on August 21, 2005, 04:24:46 PM
4-3 final.  Still a half game up on Houston.  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 21, 2005, 04:26:10 PM
Nice game for Brito  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 21, 2005, 04:28:43 PM
Cormier sucks. Why do they continue to run him out there?

Despite that, a nice win. Had to take 2/3. Brito looked pretty good, should get a shot to work out of the bullpen. If the Padres win tonight, were 2.5 out of first in the NL East. For now, its on to the land of hbionic and Arizona.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 21, 2005, 05:03:19 PM
Cormier sucks. Why do they continue to run him out there?

Despite that, a nice win. Had to take 2/3. Brito looked pretty good, should get a shot to work out of the bullpen. If the Padres win tonight, were 2.5 out of first in the NL East. For now, its on to the land of hbionic and San Francisco.

Rheal = ulcers
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 21, 2005, 05:13:19 PM
Nice win for the Phitin's.   :yay

They did what they had to do and came back and won two straight against a team they simply have to beat.

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 21, 2005, 06:20:51 PM
hbionic is in Arizona?  ???

We luck out by missing Jason Schmidt and Javier Vazquez this week...  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 21, 2005, 06:34:07 PM
hbionic is in Arizona?  ???

We luck out by missing Jason Schmidt and Javier Vazquez this week...  :yay

realized i repeated myself there. I predict a 12-0 road trip. Go Phillies!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2005, 01:54:18 AM
Good post about the bench, MDS.

I think Helms would be the best option too.

Remember - on September 1st the rosters expand to 40 so they'll have room for several guys. They'd have to send out a guy for a little bit but then could bring him back up on September 1st. The waiver-trade deadline is August 31st.

But I think for players to be on your playoff roster they have to be on the roster by August 31st. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure of the rule since we haven't had a goddamn playoff baseball team in years. But I remember in 1993 they had Donn Pall and Bobby Thigpen pitching in Sept but didn't have them in the playoffs.

Get Helms, call up Shane Victorino...I'd like those moves. That way if Victorino plays well he could be on the PO roster if need be.

I'd keep Endy (unless Victorino played better/bunted better/stole bases better) to be, like you said, a Dave Roberts type guy.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2005, 02:00:37 AM
As for today's game:

Brito pitched very well. I liked what he did today. I'd keep him here instead of bringing Geary back.

If I could've punched Rheal Cormier in the head today, I think I would've. Jeez....way to toss BP out there today, Rheal.

He is a Joe Kerrigan creation. Trade him to the Yankees so he can reunite with Joe, the fargin bum.

Excellent slide by Michaels and good hit by Bobby.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 22, 2005, 06:52:05 AM
You are correct, Phreak.  Usually, a player has to be on the roster BEFORE September 1 to be eligible for the playoff roster.

One notable exception was Marty Bystrom in 1980.  He was a September callup, but the Phils got special permission to put him on the playoff roster.  I believe he took either Nino Espinosa's or Randy Lerch's place on the playoff roster.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 22, 2005, 07:11:30 AM
Excellent slide by Michaels and good hit by Bobby.

You have to tell me how this is spun by that pathetic wolf-like creature. It should be good for a giggle or 10.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 22, 2005, 11:00:55 AM
I'd keep Endy (unless Victorino played better/bunted better/stole bases better) to be, like you said, a Dave Roberts type guy.

Well, using Endy as a Dave Roberts type doesn't seem to be happening. He has all of 1 stolen base this year. Why he doesn't run every time he gets on base (like once in a blue moon, but nevertheless), I do not know. Maybe Victorino will when he gets up here in september.

They know have 9 days to get someone (Helms, Victorino) else off the bench. Will Wade go get the best option, or go get Kelly Stinnet again so Todd Pratt can pinch hit more?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2005, 06:08:51 PM
Excellent slide by Michaels and good hit by Bobby.

You have to tell me how this is spun by that pathetic wolf-like creature. It should be good for a giggle or 10.

The genius is on vacation. Gargano is filling in.

MDS,

I agree about Endy not running too much this year. The reason, I think, is because most of the time he is in there is that it is late in the game and stealing then wouldn't help because they don't want him thrown out. Playoffs are different though, obviously. You risk it a little more then.

I'm sure AJ Hinch will be a September 1 call up, which will help in resting Pratt and Mr. Garbage for the playoffs. Charlie will be able to PH more for those guys and then use Hinch to catch late.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 22, 2005, 06:13:35 PM
The Phillies can't seriously be considering using Lieberthal as their starting catcher should they reach the playoffs.

Not even they could be that stupid.

Also - I wonder how long Pratt is going to hold out playing as much as he has?  I mean, he's not exactly a spring chicken out there either.


Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2005, 06:18:09 PM
They'll use Lieby & Pratt in the playoffs as they've done all year. They have no other options.

Pratt has 6 weeks left as a Phillie (not counting playoffs)...use him as much as possible.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 22, 2005, 07:08:03 PM
They'll use Lieby & Pratt in the playoffs as they've done all year. They have no other options.

Pratt has 6 weeks left as a Phillie (not counting playoffs)...use him as much as possible.

I think I know this answer already, but...

Has Lieberthal's option (the one tied to games played) been vested yet?  I'm sure it has- one more year of mediocrity or downright suckiness.  :boom
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 22, 2005, 07:14:54 PM
a while ago, yeah...  :-\
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 22, 2005, 07:54:41 PM
a while ago, yeah...  :-\

I thought so.  Don't suppose that someone is stupid enough to take Lieberthal in a trade.

Well, someone is.  Unfortunately, he runs the Phillies.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 22, 2005, 11:02:59 PM
Getting beat 4-0 by the Giants.  :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 22, 2005, 11:04:51 PM
Lieber sucks
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 22, 2005, 11:53:44 PM
5-0 now...Phils trying to spark a rally in the 7th though....Michaels double, Abreu single off the pitchers foot.

Lieber always seems to have one bad inning...

I wonder how much the cross country flight had to do with them looking flat?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 23, 2005, 12:01:04 AM
 :-D :'( :-D :'(

Phillies load the bases with 0 outs...

Utley strikes out
David FARGING Bell grounds into his TWENTY FARGING FIRST double play

they get no runs.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 23, 2005, 12:29:52 AM
Phils lose 5-0, and everyone else around them in the race won (except for Washington, which didn't play)...
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 23, 2005, 12:31:39 AM
:-D :'( :-D :'(

Phillies load the bases with 0 outs...

Utley strikes out
David FARGING Bell grounds into his TWENTY FARGING FIRST double play

they get no runs.

No way!  I am shocked! :o
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 23, 2005, 01:44:11 AM
I called it from the start of Utley's at bat. He would strike out and Bell would ground into a double play.

Let us hope that this road trip is not a copycat of '03's awful late august stretch or last years pathetic homestand. It would make sense for this to be it, but I would settle for a 3-3 record out west.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 23, 2005, 07:12:46 AM
I figured they'd lose the first game out west. Travel days blow.

I expect them to bounce back today.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 23, 2005, 08:40:28 AM
I figured they'd lose the first game out west. Travel days blow.

I expect them to bounce back today.

I'd understand if they were heading out there to play the Pad......errr.......if they were playing the Dodg........no, if they were playing the Diamon.......ah farg it.  Everyone out West blows ass.  Travel day or not, they have no business losing to the Giants.  Especially when they're in playoff contention.   Teams that want it will dig down and find a way to win those games.   This isn't the time of year for tired travel day excuses because everyone is getting tired this late in the year.  This is the time of year for them to put up or shut up. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 23, 2005, 08:57:55 AM
comcast sportsrise highlights... bases loaded... they show Chase Utley strike out.  Then the show host says, and it was up to David Bell... and Bell does what he does best, grounds into a double play.   :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 23, 2005, 08:58:45 AM
Gee, too bad it was too late for me to watch it.  :boom
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 23, 2005, 10:14:59 AM
im sick of this team, they can't hit any decent pitching and they play small in big situations.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 23, 2005, 10:28:58 AM
Rob Tejeda's next start will be skipped, won't pitch again until the series in Washington.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 23, 2005, 07:57:21 PM
Rob Tejeda's next start will be skipped, won't pitch again until the series in Washington.

His next two starts will be skipped. They have off days on Thursday and Monday and those are the days he's scheduled.

Crazy Vicente goes tonight against Brett Tomko.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 23, 2005, 08:00:21 PM
Rob Tejeda's next start will be skipped, won't pitch again until the series in Washington.

Not a bad thing if fatigue is a factor in his latest performance.  Give him a rest, and be ready for the stretch.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 23, 2005, 08:04:57 PM
Apparantley the Wes Helms talks are heating up....there was a rumor today that the deal was done, but it was false. Wade's got 8 days to get er done.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 23, 2005, 08:33:14 PM
He better get something done, the farger. I cannot stand watching David Bell anymore. The guy is farging terrible.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: NGM on August 23, 2005, 08:48:20 PM
The crew on DNL was lamenting today on how we have very little power at all.  I have to say I agreed with most of their gripes, why not give Howard a chance against a lefty?  A telling stat number of homers by the Phils in the last home stand: 2.  :o  (Assuming that is correct I didn't fact check)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 23, 2005, 09:03:22 PM
Apparantley the Wes Helms talks are heating up....there was a rumor today that the deal was done, but it was false. Wade's got 8 days to get er done.

 :-D Tell me you didn't just write that!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 23, 2005, 09:48:12 PM
Cinci beat Washington 6-2

Florida is getting beat 7-1 by the Brewers in the 6th.

Cubbies are beating Atlanta 8-1 in the 6th.

Mets and D-backs are just getting started.

Houston and SD start in about 20 minutes.

So far, things are set up nicely for the Phils tonight but they need to come away from this with a win.  Even if Houston wins, they can still make up a full game against the Braves if the scores hold up. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 23, 2005, 10:54:58 PM
Cinci beat Washington 6-2  :yay

Florida is getting beat 11-2 by the Brewers in the 8th.  :-D

Cubbies beat Atlanta 10-1 :-D

Mets pounding the D-backs 6-1 in the 4th.  :boo

San Diego leads Houston 1-0 in the 4th.  :yay

Phils up 2-1 in the 3rd.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 23, 2005, 10:56:34 PM
Phils up 3-1.  Lofton doubled to lead off.  Utley triple, Lofton scored.  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 23, 2005, 10:58:52 PM
Burrell sac fly, Utley scores.  4-1 Phils.  Howard solo HR, 5-1. ;D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 24, 2005, 12:29:09 AM
We's got ourselfs an ol fashioned blow out. Phils on their way to a win behind El Loco Vicente (who finally got some run support). Houston lost, too. So that means were back in first in the WC.

Lidle, whose been shaky lately, goes tommorrow. Need to take 2/3 from a garbage team like the Giants.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 07:16:50 AM
LOL at Ryan Howard's comments...this is the first few paragraphs of the AP article on the game:

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The kid is already being compared to David Ortiz.

Rookie Ryan Howard returned to the starting lineup with a career-high four hits -- including a homer -- and three RBI to lead the Philadelphia Phillies past the San Francisco Giants 10-2 on Tuesday night.

"Howard is impressive," Giants manager Felipe Alou said. "He moves well around the bag. He's a David Ortiz-type man."

The 6-foot-4, 260-pound Howard sat out the team's previous three games, all against left-handed pitchers, but the left-handed hitter made an immediate impact as the Phillies bounced back a night after being shut out to regain their half-game lead in the NL wild-card race.

Howard, 25, doesn't seem fazed by the pressure of being one of baseball's up-and-coming sluggers -- or the comparisons to Ortiz, Boston's slugger -- and often throws out quirky quips such as his "peace, love and hair grease" comment Tuesday.

He certainly enjoyed his first game at pitcher friendly SBC Park, missing the cycle by a triple.

"After today, I love it," he said of the stadium. "This would be the park to hit it, go after that 421."
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 09:07:28 AM
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"I'm not here to hurt anybody's feelings, but at the same time, we're trying to get to the playoffs," said Manuel, whose team was a half-game behind the Houston Astros in the National League wild-card race and 4 ˝ behind Atlanta in the NL East entering last night's game. "I don't worry about hurting people's feelings. People call me 'Uncle Charlie' and 'Good Time Charlie' and 'Happy-Go-Lucky Charlie' and all that BS. You can take that to ram it up your ass. I'm here to win games."

Atta boy, Charlie. :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: QB Eagles on August 24, 2005, 09:09:37 AM
:-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 24, 2005, 09:10:21 AM
:-D  That is an awesome quote.  Now make it happen. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 09:13:20 AM
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"I'm not here to hurt anybody's feelings, but at the same time, we're trying to get to the playoffs," said Manuel, whose team was a half-game behind the Houston Astros in the National League wild-card race and 4 ˝ behind Atlanta in the NL East entering last night's game. "I don't worry about hurting people's feelings. People call me 'Uncle Charlie' and 'Good Time Charlie' and 'Happy-Go-Lucky Charlie' and all that BS. You can take that to ram it up your ass. I'm here to win games."

Atta boy, Charlie. :yay

That was friggin great. LOL
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 24, 2005, 10:00:01 AM
Apparantley the Wes Helms talks are heating up....there was a rumor today that the deal was done, but it was false. Wade's got 8 days to get er done.

where have you heard Wes Helms' name being mentioned?  i didn't think anything was happening.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2005, 10:04:17 AM
Apparantley the Wes Helms talks are heating up....there was a rumor today that the deal was done, but it was false. Wade's got 8 days to get er done.

where have you heard Wes Helms' name being mentioned?  i didn't think anything was happening.

Gammons mentioned it the other night and the Inky mentioned it today. He has cleared waivers and able to be dealt.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 24, 2005, 10:42:29 AM
Apparantley the Wes Helms talks are heating up....there was a rumor today that the deal was done, but it was false. Wade's got 8 days to get er done.

where have you heard Wes Helms' name being mentioned?  i didn't think anything was happening.

Gammons mentioned it the other night and the Inky mentioned it today. He has cleared waivers and able to be dealt.

yeah, i finally saw it in the Inky today...

i checked his numbers:  .307 avg, 4 HR, 21 RBI in 137 AB
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 24, 2005, 11:53:58 AM
A little blurb on the possibility of platooning at third base....if we get Wes Helms.

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Rookie first baseman Ryan Howard returned to the lineup last night for the first time since Friday because Manuel sat him against three straight lefthanded starters. Howard is hitting just .133 (4 for 30) with no homers and no RBIs against lefthanders this season. He is hitting .301 (44 for 146) with eight homers and 30 RBIs against righthanders.

Third baseman David Bell hit seventh against Giants righthander Brett Tomko, despite his season-long struggles against righthanders.

"I like Howard against lefties when he's hitting the ball real well," Manuel said. "I don't mind him against lefties at all. I've seen him hit lefthanders in the minors. The more experience he has, the better he will be."

But for the moment, Manuel likes Ramon Martinez more.

Bell hit into his 21st double play with the bases loaded and one out in the seventh inning of a 5-0 loss to the Giants on Monday. He is hitting .199 (62 for 311) against righthanders this season.

"Have we got somebody out there who can play better than he can?" Manuel asked.


Tomas Perez is hitting .220 (22 for 100) against righthanders this season. Martinez is hitting .286 (18 for 63) overall.

Who else is out there? And can anybody be had before Wednesday's deadline to set postseason rosters? The Phillies could have some interest in Milwaukee Brewers third baseman Wes Helms, who has cleared waivers and would be a one-month rental. He would be attractive for a few reasons, although radio reports yesterday about an already completed deal were not true.

Helms could play third and first and would provide righthanded pop off the bench. He hit 23 homers for the Brewers in 2003.

The Phillies would not say if they are talking to the Brewers.

"We are continuing to find ways to improve our club," said Ruben Amaro Jr., the Phillies' assistant general manager.

They have a week to make it happen.


It's sad, but it's true. Right now, Bell is the best option at 3rd every day.  :boom
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 24, 2005, 12:15:42 PM
what about Edgardo Alfonzo


http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_2968526
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: JTrotter Fan on August 24, 2005, 01:48:01 PM
Howard has his average up to .287 right now.  He's great against right-handers but not against lefties.  Does his performance mean that the Phils will get rid of Thome and go with Howard? 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 24, 2005, 06:39:20 PM
Howard has his average up to .287 right now.  He's great against right-handers but not against lefties.  Does his performance mean that the Phils will get rid of Thome and go with Howard? 

Trouble is that Thome has 4 (5?) years left at $14+ million per year.  If his back/elbow is as bad as feared, who would trade for him?

Best bet would be an AL team that could DH him and save him some wear and tear on the field.  Whoever it is, the Phils would have to eat a major portion of the salary, which makes that less likely to happen.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 24, 2005, 07:23:17 PM
The Phillies could always offer Thome a buyout.  Whether or not he'd accept it is another matter entirely.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 24, 2005, 08:41:02 PM
Just an FYI...from today's paper:

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They're interested

Closer Billy Wagner said Monday that he didn't think the Phillies were interested in signing him to a new contract. But the Phillies contacted his agent, Bean Stringfellow, last week and made an offer. Stringfellow made a counteroffer, but that is where the talks stand for the moment.

He was believed to be seeking a three-year, $24 million contract. But because Wagner, who is 4-1 with a 1.68 ERA and 30 saves, is having such an impressive season, his price likely is higher.

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Who else is out there? And can anybody be had before Wednesday's deadline to set postseason rosters? The Phillies could have some interest in Milwaukee Brewers third baseman Wes Helms, who has cleared waivers and would be a one-month rental. He would be attractive for a few reasons, although radio reports yesterday about an already completed deal were not true.

Helms could play third and first and would provide righthanded pop off the bench. He hit 23 homers for the Brewers in 2003.

The Phillies would not say if they are talking to the Brewers.

"We are continuing to find ways to improve our club," said Ruben Amaro Jr., the Phillies' assistant general manager.

They have a week to make it happen.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 24, 2005, 11:38:41 PM
ok, thats it.  it is impossible to read an article about Billy Wagners agent without laughing. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 25, 2005, 01:43:48 AM
Sloopy and ugly, but a win is a win.  :yay

Lidle only lasted 4 because of an injury, giving up 4 runs. But, he didn't pitch all that bad. Lofton had three or four balls drop in front of him that he should've caught, and who else but David Bell booted a grounder (but he did have a nice game at the plate, extreamly amazing since it was off of a right hander).

Phils now have a 1.5 game lead on Houston, 2 on the rest of the NL East and are still 3.5 back of the Braves.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: JTrotter Fan on August 25, 2005, 01:46:53 AM
Good win.  Phils now 10 games over .500.  They finished last year 10 games over.  If they can keep things going the way they are...they could finish about 18 games over .500 or so.  That should be good enough.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 25, 2005, 08:23:49 AM
It was important for them to take 2/3 from the Giants, and they did.  WTG, Phils!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: mikey418 on August 25, 2005, 09:05:17 AM
The next 3 weeks will decide their fate. They need to sweep the Diamondbacks IMO, since they have a rough schedule ahead to close out the year.

@Mets, @Nats, Astros, Marlins, Braves(4games), @Marlins, @Braves, @Reds, Mets, @Nats.

They could concievibly catch the Braves if they keep pace with Atl while winning those 2 series against Atl.  I'll be very thankful (and surprized) to see the Phils still in the hunt come that Cincy series...altho likely they'll be right there and get swept by the Reds....
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 25, 2005, 09:23:17 AM
Awesome pic of Howard:

(http://www.philly.com/images/philly/philly/12472/155563142752.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 25, 2005, 09:23:41 AM

Wags:

(http://www.philly.com/images/philly/philly/12472/155563167696.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: rjs246 on August 25, 2005, 09:26:42 AM
The next 3 weeks will decide their fate. They need to sweep the Diamondbacks IMO, since they have a rough schedule ahead to close out the year.

@Mets, @Nats, Astros, Marlins, Braves(4games), @Marlins, @Braves, @Reds, Mets, @Nats.

They could concievibly catch the Braves if they keep pace with Atl while winning those 2 series against Atl.  I'll be very thankful (and surprized) to see the Phils still in the hunt come that Cincy series...altho likely they'll be right there and get swept by the Reds....

They'll be back around .500 at the end of that run.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 25, 2005, 09:40:23 AM
The next 3 weeks will decide their fate. They need to sweep the Diamondbacks IMO, since they have a rough schedule ahead to close out the year.

@Mets, @Nats, Astros, Marlins, Braves(4games), @Marlins, @Braves, @Reds, Mets, @Nats.

They could concievibly catch the Braves if they keep pace with Atl while winning those 2 series against Atl.  I'll be very thankful (and surprized) to see the Phils still in the hunt come that Cincy series...altho likely they'll be right there and get swept by the Reds....

They'll be back around .500 at the end of that run.

Shut up and go bark in someone's cheerio.  ;)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 25, 2005, 09:51:12 AM
Wags:

(http://www.philly.com/images/philly/philly/12472/155563167696.jpg)

He's one finger away from the "James Thrash".
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 26, 2005, 11:46:07 PM
Utley with his second homer to center to tie it up! 3-3 in the 7th
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 26, 2005, 11:48:38 PM
Utley with his second homer to center to tie it up! 3-3 in the 7th

They need to win this game. Florida is coming on strong.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 27, 2005, 12:18:40 AM
Myers had nothing....Utley was the only one doing anything....then Tim Worrell came and 5 runs later its 8-3 Phillies.

About to be 2.5 back of Atlanta, but Charlie has to ruin it by using Urbina in this game. Madson, at least, was warmed up and ready to go before Abreu hit the Slam.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 27, 2005, 12:52:58 AM
Myers had nothing....Utley was the only one doing anything....then Tim Worrell came and 5 runs later its 8-3 Phillies.


Worrell is DA MAN!!  :P
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 27, 2005, 12:57:46 AM
Phils win 11-3, 2.5 back of Atlanta  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 27, 2005, 02:29:23 AM
Phils win 11-3, 2.5 back of Atlanta :paranoid

Phils couldn't beat the D-backs by double digits.  They are teh suck.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2005, 03:03:08 AM
Damn that non-clutch, choking POS Bobby Abreu! :D

Cram it, haters.

MDS, Ugie wasn't used. They brought in Aquilino Lopez. He looked good too. Maybe, just maybe, Wade found a good MR via waivers. I'll reserve judgement for awhile though. I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 27, 2005, 08:46:20 AM
I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.

Yeah but you like Saddam Hussein better than Geoff Geary.

 :-D


Excellent win by the Phitins.  I was watching the Eagles and completely forgot about the Phils playing the late game.  Nice surprise to wake up this morning and see that they routed the D-Backs.

 :yay

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 08:51:35 AM
Damn that non-clutch, choking POS Bobby Abreu! :D

Cram it, haters.

MDS, Ugie wasn't used. They brought in Aquilino Lopez. He looked good too. Maybe, just maybe, Wade found a good MR via waivers. I'll reserve judgement for awhile though. I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.
its not hard to get a big hit when you are already winning, not to say it wasn't a big hit, but don't act like he got that when they were losing.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2005, 09:00:33 AM
Damn that non-clutch, choking POS Bobby Abreu! :D

Cram it, haters.

MDS, Ugie wasn't used. They brought in Aquilino Lopez. He looked good too. Maybe, just maybe, Wade found a good MR via waivers. I'll reserve judgement for awhile though. I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.
its not hard to get a big hit when you are already winning, not to say it wasn't a big hit, but don't act like he got that when they were losing.

Still, it was 4-3 in the 7th inning with the bases loaded. If he pops out and the Phils end up blowing it he would've been blasted for not driving in a run or two there.

He's had several big hits in recent weeks. I work with a guy that might as well change his nme to Eskin Jr. and we had a good argument about Bobby A last night. Hopefully he'll get hot like he was in May for the stretch run...
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2005, 09:03:39 AM
I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.

Yeah but you like Saddam Hussein better than Geoff Geary.

 :-D


Excellent win by the Phitins.  I was watching the Eagles and completely forgot about the Phils playing the late game.  Nice surprise to wake up this morning and see that they routed the D-Backs.

 :yay



Only 2.5 behind ATL :yay

We have to root for them to win the division. If they win the NL-East and ATL or FLA wins the WC, then the Phils would play the Padres in the 1st round.

If the Phils win the East and Houston wins the WC, the Phils play STL.

If the Phils win the WC and ATL wins the East, the Phils play STL and ATL plays SD.

The Phils somehow beat up on STL though. Rolen is out for the year too.

I just want October baseball here. Nothing better than a chilly October night watching playoff baseball (when the Birds aren't on, that is).
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 09:05:36 AM
Damn that non-clutch, choking POS Bobby Abreu! :D

Cram it, haters.

MDS, Ugie wasn't used. They brought in Aquilino Lopez. He looked good too. Maybe, just maybe, Wade found a good MR via waivers. I'll reserve judgement for awhile though. I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.
its not hard to get a big hit when you are already winning, not to say it wasn't a big hit, but don't act like he got that when they were losing.

Still, it was 4-3 in the 7th inning with the bases loaded. If he pops out and the Phils end up blowing it he would've been blasted for not driving in a run or two there.

He's had several big hits in recent weeks. I work with a guy that might as well change his nme to Eskin Jr. and we had a good argument about Bobby A last night. Hopefully he'll get hot like he was in May for the stretch run...

and you know that i am one of the biggest ones on the EMB who is hard on Bobby, but you're right, he's played will the past couple weeks.

i just don't like it anybody who tries to support any arguement by pointing to one example.  you have to examine the whole picture.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2005, 09:19:01 AM
Damn that non-clutch, choking POS Bobby Abreu! :D

Cram it, haters.

MDS, Ugie wasn't used. They brought in Aquilino Lopez. He looked good too. Maybe, just maybe, Wade found a good MR via waivers. I'll reserve judgement for awhile though. I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.
its not hard to get a big hit when you are already winning, not to say it wasn't a big hit, but don't act like he got that when they were losing.

Still, it was 4-3 in the 7th inning with the bases loaded. If he pops out and the Phils end up blowing it he would've been blasted for not driving in a run or two there.

He's had several big hits in recent weeks. I work with a guy that might as well change his nme to Eskin Jr. and we had a good argument about Bobby A last night. Hopefully he'll get hot like he was in May for the stretch run...

and you know that i am one of the biggest ones on the EMB who is hard on Bobby, but you're right, he's played will the past couple weeks.

i just don't like it anybody who tries to support any arguement by pointing to one example.  you have to examine the whole picture.

You're right. And one of the reasons I defend him so much and the Phils so much on that MB is because of some of the ignorant shtein people say there who don't know a shred of baseball. I'm not referring to you, but I think you know which guys I'm talking about.

I know he sucks defensively. But I just cannot fathom why the guy gets so much grief in this city. Especially when the team has bums like Lieby and Bell on it. They deserve heat. Abreu isn't above being ripped, but when you're a .300 hitter you're a good ballplayer. He doesn't come through in the clutch everytime, but no one in baseball does. As the cliche goes - its the only sport where you fail 7 out of 10 times and you're good.

I've gone over every Abreu argument over and over before so I won't rehash it here. But I just wish that when he does play well it is acknowledged. I will admit when he stinks but some guys harp on him incessantly and it drives me nuts.

I guess the thing that bothers me is that while the Phils are inconsistent, they are far from terrible. Colorado, Kansas City and Tampa Bay are terrible teams. The Phils are right in the thick of it. And despite a lot of folks saying how much better HOU & FLA are - they aren't exactly pulling away with it, ya know?

 I think Manuel gets too much heat too. He's unorthodox, but he's the anti-Bowa and that sems to be helping the whiners who hated Larry.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 09:34:12 AM
i know that you mean.  it's great that they are in the race, but i think in the end, they will falter. 

i think people are hard on this team because of a few reasons:
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2005, 09:42:43 AM
1. I agree. They should be better than 70-59 for $95M. But that reflects on the guy spending the money - Ed Wade. You can't blame the players for taking Monty's money. Wade's just stupid when spending it.

2. Somewhat agree. I love Jimmy Rollins, but his plate discipline (or lack thereof) flat out stinks this year. David Bell has the range of a Frigidare. Lieby calls a game like someone who should be in Williamsport this weekend. Moving runners is an adventure at times. Bunting sucks except for a few guys (Lieber looks like he's trying to bunt with his feet holding the bat).

3. Many of them are. I hated the whining last year. That's why I think Manuel deserves a little credit. He knows how to deal with these guys' fragile ego's. Not sure if you know this or not - but Bobby A was the only guy who stood up in the locker room last year and told the guys to STFU about Larry and play baseball.

4. Agreed 100%. The little farger better be looking at adding Helms or another bat off the bench by August 31st.

5. That doesn't bother me all that much. I agree with some of the things that were said and I disagree with some things that are said.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 10:15:38 AM
Bobby A was the only guy who stood up in the locker room last year and told the guys to STFU about Larry and play baseball.

really?  where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2005, 10:20:31 AM
Bobby A was the only guy who stood up in the locker room last year and told the guys to STFU about Larry and play baseball.

really?  where did you hear that?

In one of the articles (Daily News, maybe?) that was printed at the beginning of the season. matter offact, i think it was the DN because I heard the talking heads discussing it on DNL. They were talking about the whole "lack of leadership" thing and someone said (Paul Hagen, I think) that Bobby is really vocal when he has to be and then brought up him standing in the middle of the room and telling them to shut the farg up and play ball.

It was awhile ago, but the story stuck out in my mind because it impressed me.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 10:24:03 AM
yeah, that is impressive because he doesn't seem like the vocal type.

my main problems with Abreu are the above talked about clutch-thing, something that he has been much better at lately...

but also, he doesn't hustle downt the line, he doesn't hustle in the outfield, and he plays for his own numbers a lot of the time.  how many times would he steal 2nd when Thome (good Thome, not 2005 Thome) was up, giving the opposition the opportunity to walk him and pitch to Burrell (bad Burrell, not 2005 Burell)

it's just that kind of stuff that keeps him from being the superstar he could be.  he def. has the talent.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 27, 2005, 10:28:59 AM
You've gotta be kidding me with that last post Sun Mo.

You sound like you're taking your shtein straight from what you hear out of Eskin's mouth.  ::)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 10:36:28 AM
You've gotta be kidding me with that last post Sun Mo.

You sound like you're taking your shtein straight from what you hear out of Eskin's mouth.  ::)

well, i don't listen to Eskin, so you would know better what he says then me...

what am i kidding about in my last post?  he doesn't hustle.  there was a play earlier this week, when Abreu grounded into a double play,  that baseball tonight peeked in on, even one of the guys on the panel said, "he didn't get down the line real quick, i hope he isn't injured"
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 27, 2005, 10:41:44 AM
MDS, Ugie wasn't used. They brought in Aquilino Lopez. He looked good too. Maybe, just maybe, Wade found a good MR via waivers. I'll reserve judgement for awhile though. I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.

He was planning on using Ugy, though. When the Phillies added those extra runs, he had time to warm up Lopez and use him instead.

But the best thing about the game (besides winning) was Abreu hitting a meaningless, lazy grand slam in the 7th to end the game. They were already up 4-3, so what was the big deal?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 10:46:18 AM
MDS, Ugie wasn't used. They brought in Aquilino Lopez. He looked good too. Maybe, just maybe, Wade found a good MR via waivers. I'll reserve judgement for awhile though. I already like him better than Geoff Geary though.

He was planning on using Ugy, though. When the Phillies added those extra runs, he had time to warm up Lopez and use him instead.

But the best thing about the game (besides winning) was Abreu hitting a meaningless, lazy grand slam in the 7th to end the game. They were already up 4-3, so what was the big deal?

i beat the drum for Abreu's meaningless hits more than anything.  however, when you get runs when you are only up by 1 run, that's still a big hit.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 27, 2005, 11:16:34 AM
People ripped Schmidt for years in Philly.

Of course, most of them are retarded fargheads who don't know dick about baseball.

The very same assclowns who ripped Schmidt rip Abreu.  They don't know dick about baseball and they assume that a guy who plays smooth must be dogging it.

It's retarded and it's beyond old already.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 11:21:16 AM
People ripped Schmidt for years in Philly.

Of course, most of them are retarded fargheads who don't know dick about baseball.

The very same assclowns who ripped Schmidt rip Abreu.  They don't know dick about baseball and they assume that a guy who plays smooth must be dogging it.

It's retarded and it's beyond old already.

so, jogging to 1st when you ground into a doubleplay is smooth?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2005, 11:24:11 AM
I'm not even sure I would say that Abreu stinks defensively.

For the stat-geeks (just looked up at baseballreference.com):

In 2002, he was slightly below the league average in fielding percentage (.981 to .983) and slightly above average in range (1.76 to 1.67) in RF.

In 2003, he was slightly below the league average in fielding percentage (.981 to .982) and above average in range (1.96 to 1.72) in RF.

In 2004, he was slightly above the league average in fielding percentage (.982 to .980) and well above average in range (2.05 to 1.71) in RF.

He's not a Gold Glover, but he's a pretty good RFer.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 11:26:20 AM

He's not a Gold Glover, but he's a pretty good RFer.

no he's not, stats are useless for judging an outfielders defensive skills. 

his range is terrible, he can't go back to the wall.  he can't come in on a ball.  he can throw, that's about it. 

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2005, 11:34:49 AM

He's not a Gold Glover, but he's a pretty good RFer.

no he's not, stats are useless for judging an outfielders defensive skills. 

his range is terrible, he can't go back to the wall.  he can't come in on a ball.  he can throw, that's about it. 



He's decent.  Not great, but decent.  He gets to more balls than the average RF.

I agree that he is bad going to the wall.  It's his biggest weakness in the field.  It's also what keeps him from being a really good defensive RF.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 27, 2005, 11:39:35 AM
If anything, I think Abreu has shown some improvement in RF this year.  Granted, I haven't been able to watch more than a handful of games this year but the ones I did see I saw him making some diving/sliding catches that I think he would have let drop in front of him in years passed.  I've ripped him before for being a lazy outfielder but in my admittedly limited perspective of him this year I see some improvement in his defensive play. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 27, 2005, 11:53:47 AM
Miguel Cabrera is a horrible defensive outfielder. worse than Abreu, and nobody complains about him because of what he does at the plate. The same goes for Abreu. He's not going to blow you significant games with his defense in right, but what he does with the bat happens to be irreplaceable in this lineup. The Phillies would not be in a playoff chase without Abreu. He is the best player on the team. Shut up.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: NGM on August 27, 2005, 01:59:06 PM
Abreu is my favorite Phillie period.  There is something to be said about a guy who is on a team with a bunch of under-performing whiners, in a city where idiot fans and media consistently rag on him and you never hear him say shtein about it.  I guess the rule is, if you are a great fielder (JRoll) you can be okay to poor at the plate. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2005, 02:33:34 PM
Abreu is my favorite Phillie period.  There is something to be said about a guy who is on a team with a bunch of under-performing whiners, in a city where idiot fans and media consistently rag on him and you never hear him say shtein about it.  I guess the rule is, if you are a great fielder (JRoll) you can be okay to poor at the plate. 

Rollins is one of my favorite players, but there is no doubt he has had a mediocre overall season and a poor second half to this season.  I am disappointed that he's never learned to become a good leadoff hitter. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 27, 2005, 02:40:27 PM
You can't make somebody into something their not. Rollins belongs at the bottom of the order. He can fill in at the 2 hole, but certainley not in the leadoff spot. With this team, I would right now swap Rollins and the CF platoon and see how that goes. You could also move Utley up to 2, Abreu to 3, Burrell to 4 and Howard to 5...which would make Rollins 6th. Still, Rollins is a .260-.270 hitting SS with great speed and a gold glove. I'd take that anyday.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 03:18:58 PM
He is the best player on the team.
Pat Burrell has had a more productive year.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 27, 2005, 03:26:22 PM
i beat the drum for Abreu's meaningless hits more than anything.  however, when you get runs when you are only up by 1 run, that's still a big hit.

This meaningless hit nonsense is farging preposterous.

When the whole team was slumping earlier this year, he was still getting his hits. Its not his fault the rest of the team sucked ass and couldn't make anything out of it...or that they weren't on base when he came up to bat.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 03:29:19 PM
Abreu:  471 AB    86 RS    140 H    22 HR    82 RBI    89 BB   101 K    .297AVG

Burell:  438 AB  61 RS      122 H   24 HR   92 RBI  74 BB   121 K  .279AVG


so, it 33 less AB, Burrell has more HR and more RBI.  Abreu has more RS but it's not Burrell's fault the bottom of the lineup can't get him in.  Abreu has 18 more hits, but has 33 more AB.

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 27, 2005, 03:31:59 PM
i beat the drum for Abreu's meaningless hits more than anything.  however, when you get runs when you are only up by 1 run, that's still a big hit.

This meaningless hit nonsense is farging preposterous.

When the whole team was slumping earlier this year, he was still getting his hits. Its not his fault the rest of the team sucked ass and couldn't make anything out of it...or that they weren't on base when he came up to bat.

do you think you can have an intelligent conversation without using the word 'farging'?

the meaningless hit stuff in non 'preposterous'.  it has merit.  earlier in the year, Abreu would come up in a big spot in the 8th and 9th inning with men on and he would strikeout.  it's bad enough not to get a hit but to not even put your bat on the ball when there are men on and less then 2 outs is unacceptble for a 'superstar'
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2005, 03:35:36 PM
It's close:

Abreu:  471 AB, 26 2b, 1 3b, 22 HR, 82 RBI, 86 Runs, 25 SB, .297 AVG, .410 OBP, .497 SLG, .907 OPS

Burrell:  438 AB, 22 2b, 1 3b, 24 HR, 92 RBI, 61 Runs, 0 SB, .279 AVG, .383 OBP, .498 SLG, .881 OPS

And don't forget about my man Utley:

Utley:  407 AB, 27 2b, 5 3b, 19 HR, 78 RBI, 68 Runs, 12 SB, .297 AVG, .375 OBP, .528 SLG, .904 OPS

Who would have thought that our second baseman would have a higer slugging percentage than Pat Burrell and Bobby Abreu, and the highest on the team?

And WHO was calling for him to start at the beginning of the season?  8) I know, I know, even a blind squirrell...

Only bad thing:  They've got 304 K's between them (Burrell 121, Abreu 101, Utley 82)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on August 27, 2005, 04:13:08 PM
Utley is fast becoming my favorite Phillie.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 27, 2005, 04:20:01 PM
Utley is fast becoming my favorite Phillie.

I was watching the Little League WS (Hawaii vs. Vista CA.) and all of the players were sounding off on who their favorite player was. I asked myself the same question and came to the conclusion that it was probably Utley.  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: rjs246 on August 27, 2005, 05:23:30 PM
Jay Johnstone is my favorite Phillie.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 27, 2005, 06:54:43 PM
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050827/capt.pnb10308272143.phillies_diamondbacks_pnb103.jpg)

2-0 Snakes on a crappy HR by Alex friggin Cintron.  Lieber sucks.  :P
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 27, 2005, 07:42:26 PM
Dude, what a rip off. The Phanatic has been doign the popcorn thing to people since I was a little girl. This clown ripped off the schtick completely.  :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 27, 2005, 09:12:33 PM
Utley is fast becoming my favorite Phillie.

I was watching the Little League WS (Hawaii vs. Vista CA.) and all of the players were sounding off on who their favorite player was. I asked myself the same question and came to the conclusion that it was probably Utley.  :yay

Did you see the one kid from Hawaii listed Abreu as his favorite player?  I swear I didn't slip the kid a $25 Dave & Busters game card to say that :sly
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: QB Eagles on August 27, 2005, 09:51:11 PM
Miguel Cabrera is a horrible defensive outfielder. worse than Abreu, and nobody complains about him because of what he does at the plate.

Well, the Marlins did move him to third base...
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 27, 2005, 11:15:44 PM
Utley is fast becoming my favorite Phillie.

I was watching the Little League WS (Hawaii vs. Vista CA.) and all of the players were sounding off on who their favorite player was. I asked myself the same question and came to the conclusion that it was probably Utley.  :yay

Did you see the one kid from Hawaii listed Abreu as his favorite player?  I swear I didn't slip the kid a $25 Dave & Busters game card to say that :sly

There were 2 or 3 kids that said Abreu was their favorite player. Manny Ramirez and Bonds were the other favorites.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 27, 2005, 11:40:54 PM
Miguel Cabrera is a horrible defensive outfielder. worse than Abreu, and nobody complains about him because of what he does at the plate.

Well, the Marlins did move him to third base...

Mike Lowell was making David Bell look like an all-star...  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 28, 2005, 12:20:52 AM
Wade saved the day and got Michael Tucker from the Giants for Kelvin Picardo, or some 19 year old A pictcher. Totally useless move. We need someone who can play 3rd and that doesn't suck!

Tough game today...Lieber was okay, but you can't let freakin Cintron hit a homer like that. Woulda been nice if the offense showed up. No worries if we win tommorrow...
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2005, 01:10:47 AM
We got Michael Tucker?!

That isn't a bad move at all, IMO. He will help immensely off the bench. Like you said - he isn't a 3B but he is a good LH to use off the bench and has some pop.

I haven't listened to anything sporst related until now. I chose to sleep and missed the game. Looks like I picked a good game to miss though.

I'm not too worried about today's loss. The Marlins won and they're .5 back in the WC. The Braves won to go back to 3.5 ahead too. But Houston, New York and Washington lost.

Since they have so many games left against FLA & ATL they have time to make up that ground they lost today.

We'll win tomorrow night with Crazy Vicente pitching.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2005, 01:16:55 AM
As for the Abreu thing...

I agree with SunMo about the actual numbers defensively not really meaning much. He catches the stuff hit to him and has a very strong arm. But he does struggle on going back to balls and coming in on the bloopers.

But I will still maintain my stance that he is a very good hitter. Like I said, if you are a .300 hitter in the ML's then you are a good hitter. Abreu hits over .300 consistently and puts up good numbers. Depite the arguments about the "lack of clutch" he still drives in runs, works pitchers very well (he leads the NL in pitches per AB) hits for power and is overall very good with the bat. LIke I said earlier...he doesn't drive in every run out on base for him, but neither does anyone else.

There are a whole lot of other things to blast on this team. Bobby's hitting shouldn't be one of them.

MDS,

I agree with your suggested line-up of:

1. Michaels/Lofton
2. Utley
3. Abreu
4. Burrell
5. Howard
6. Rollins
7. The Bum
8. The other Bum/Pratt

I love Jimmy and while his plate approach drives me fargin nuts, he is what he is. He is a good hitter with RISP and he'd be better suited for the 6th, 7th or 8 hole.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2005, 02:23:50 AM
Get a quality OPB/Speed guy to play CF and bat leadoff, and I can live with that line-up.  If Lofton could play everyday I'd like it, but Michaels at leadoff gives me the hives.  :paranoid

(Gotta admit, though, looking at the stats, Michaels should bat leadoff ahead of Rollins as well.)
 
I would rather switch Rollins and Utley.  Rollins is a little better in laying the bat on the ball, and would be better in those situations that require moving the runner.  Utley is a better RBI guy.

One of the main things that I want from our CF/leadoff candidate is NOT TO STRIKE OUT.  Speed is useless if you're not putting the ball in play.  Also, the Phils already have two 100+ strikeout guys, and probably will have a third (Utley) by the end of the season.  Ryan Howard, striking out at his current season rate (61 in 189ABs), would strike out 160+ times over 500 at-bats. That's really my biggest complaint with our current line-up- it strikes out far too often.  That's already a ton of non-productive outs for a lineup to absorb even without David Bell's penchant of double-dipping in the out department.  :boom

I wonder if Lenny Dykstra would consider coming out of retirement?  :sly

Just a tweak to the suggested lineup:

1. Michaels/Lofton
2. Rollins
3. Abreu
4. Burrell
5. Howard
6. Utley
7. Bell
8. The Pitcher/Pratt  :D
9.  Pitcher/Lieberthal
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 28, 2005, 10:10:51 AM
Geo... Why in God's name would you put Utley in the 6 hole?

 :sly

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 28, 2005, 10:31:09 AM
I think I might be the only one who likes the acquisition of Tucker. I just read the threads on the two Phils MBs and it seems like everyone is crying about this.

OH MY GOD THEY GAVE UP A 19Y/O PITCHER FROM THE MINORS!11

Who, other than really dedicated fans, has ever heard of Kelvin Pichardo? He's not even blowing away the freakin GCL. I heard his last name and all's I could think of was the old dude from back in the 90's named Hipolito Pichardo.

I guess the people like seeing Tomas Perez get baffled by overpowering RHPs? Tucker is going to help off the bench.

We still need a RH corner INF. Get Wes Helms!!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 10:40:12 AM
Philly fans FIND ways to cry about everything. Its sickening. :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 28, 2005, 11:14:31 AM
I'm not crying about the move, but the implications are that this was THE move by Wade to improve the bench. No Helms, no anybody. Just Michael Tucker. Yes he's a better option than Perez, Martinez and Chavez....but thats not saying much. It's a nothing move to me. They gave up some guy nobody heard of, but its just the fact that Wade is settling for mediocrity again.

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Dillen on August 28, 2005, 12:05:01 PM
I heard his last name and all's I could think of was the old dude from back in the 90's named Hipolito Pichardo.
He was in Astros camp a couple years ago
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2005, 02:00:42 PM
 :'( Pichardo is going to be a STUD in this league.  Just watch.

Just kidding.  I wouldn't know him from any other schmuck with a glove.  Well, maybe from Michael Jackson, but not any other schmuck.  :D

I like the Tucker pickup for strengthening the bench. Got to be better than revolving around Chavez and Martinez.

I'd still like an infielder and/or a relief pitcher to strengthen the bullpen.  Don't think Wade is going to get either.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 28, 2005, 02:46:35 PM
I like Tucker off the bench.  He's got some speed around the baselines and he ain't too bad of an outfielder either.  Nice veteran presence to have come in off the bench late in the game.  And all they gave up was some dude who probably won't be in the majors for a couple of years anyway so it's not like their giving up players who could possibly make an immediate impact for the club. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 28, 2005, 03:18:39 PM
For those wondering about Kevin Pichardo's stats:

Kelvin Pichardo: Individual Stats (Pitching)
Team From To W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO
GCL Phillies 06/24 08/22 3 2 4.17 10 9 0 0 0 54.0 59 28 25 4 3 37

I know you all were.  >:D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 28, 2005, 06:37:16 PM
2006 Interleague:

Home-and-home vs Red Sox  :P
Home vs Yankees
Home vs Devil Rays
Away vs Orioles
Away vs Blue Jays


Braves won
Marlins lost
Astros lost
Mets lost
Nationals swept
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 28, 2005, 08:35:23 PM
Ryan Howard led off the 2nd with a monster shot to dead center field (425ft).   :o

Padilla later draws a walk and when he got to first base he wanted a jacket.  Nothing unusual about that except that it's 110 degrees outside.  :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 28, 2005, 09:26:29 PM
Green just hit a GS  :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 28, 2005, 10:46:35 PM
6-4  :-\
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 28, 2005, 10:55:30 PM
Cormier is blowing it in the 7th.  9-3.  :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 28, 2005, 10:55:54 PM
Cormier is blowing it in the 7th.  9-3.  :boo

They suck
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 28, 2005, 10:55:58 PM
Thanks Frenchy, you no good piece of sh*#@*$&*@#*@*&#  :boom

sigh
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 11:02:48 PM
God damnit, if Rheal Cormier puts on this farging uniform one more time this year, I'll farging flip.

WHY DID HE GO IN THERE WITH A CHANCE TO WIN A GAME?????????????? :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 11:03:31 PM
Cormier is blowing it in the 7th.  9-3.  :boo

They suck

No, THEY don't...that's asinine. They are 10 games over .500...that is not a suck team.

Idiots like the one on the mound giving up 4 runs in a close game SUCK.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 28, 2005, 11:08:45 PM
Cormier is blowing it in the 7th.  9-3.  :boo

They suck

No, THEY don't...that's asinine. They are 10 games over .500...that is not a suck team.

Idiots like the one on the mound giving up 4 runs in a close game SUCK.

I'm immune to the Phils failures at this point in my life, but every year it's the same farging story. I keep my hopes up and they let me down. I see a huge collapse coming in September  :-X
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 28, 2005, 11:11:16 PM
I can't blame Rheal. He sucks. Not his fault he's in there. Same problem we had in the beginning of the year with Tim Worrell and Terry Adams, and had last year with Roblowto and the year before with Mesa. Manuel is just an idiot. He uses Fultz, who has been fantastic, in the 4th-6th. He uses the putrid Cormier in a 2 run game with a rested pen and day off tommorrow. He's an idiot. Stop running freakin Cormier out there. He's done. He' killing this team.

And with that, Burrell hits another HR. Thanks again Rheal and Charlie!!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 28, 2005, 11:12:11 PM
I can't blame Rheal. He sucks. Not his fault he's in there. Same problem we had in the beginning of the year with Tim Worrell and Terry Adams, and had last year with Roblowto and the year before with Mesa. Manuel is just an idiot. He uses Fultz, who has been fantastic, in the 4th-6th. He uses the putrid Cormier in a 2 run game with a rested pen and day off tommorrow. He's an idiot. Stop running freakin Cormier out there. He's done. He' killing this team.

And with that, Burrell hits another HR. Thanks again Rheal and Charlie!!

Um, you're blaming Manuel for last year?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 28, 2005, 11:25:43 PM
No, but he and Bowa are the same managers except one "keeps it loose" and the other is "passionate and fiery." Fact is, their both idiots who have no idea what their doing. Based on this year, it took too long to get Adams outta here and Worrell had to take himself out. This just makes me have the feeling Cormier is going to continue blowing games into september.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 28, 2005, 11:30:08 PM
I can't blame Rheal. He sucks. Not his fault he's in there. Same problem we had in the beginning of the year with Tim Worrell and Terry Adams, and had last year with Roblowto and the year before with Mesa. Manuel is just an idiot. He uses Fultz, who has been fantastic, in the 4th-6th. He uses the putrid Cormier in a 2 run game with a rested pen and day off tommorrow. He's an idiot. Stop running freakin Cormier out there. He's done. He' killing this team.

And with that, Burrell hits another HR. Thanks again Rheal and Charlie!!

Um, you're blaming Manuel for last year?

Clinton's still taking the blame for shtein that happened while Bush is in office  :P
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 28, 2005, 11:31:13 PM
I see a huge collapse coming in September :-X

The optimist in me says that it's better than experiencing their usual late July/early August collapse.  :P
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 28, 2005, 11:43:04 PM
10-5 final.  :boo

They had a great chance to really separate themselves from the rest of the WC pack this weekend and they blew it against a team that gave up like four thousand runs to the Muts.  They also have the worst bullpen in baseball with a combined ERA of somewhere close to 7. 

Way to manufacture runs tonight guys.  5 runs, 4 of which came via solo shots.  :-\
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 28, 2005, 11:44:16 PM
Rollins has been awful the past two weeks. Can't manufacture much when your leadoff hitter is never on base.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 12:02:30 AM
This is true.  I especially loved his leadoff- swing at the first pitch of the game- pop fly to get things started.  :boo
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Dillen on August 29, 2005, 12:06:02 AM
Rollins has been awful the past two weeks. Can't manufacture much when your leadoff hitter is never on base.
Yeah, before the game they said he was hitting .138 in the last 19 games.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 29, 2005, 12:06:21 AM
Seo, Pedro, Trachsel, Patterson and Livan in the next 5.  Get those playoff tickets!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 12:07:36 AM
Get those playoff tickets!

It's a bit early for that isn't it?  They usually don't go on sale until January. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 29, 2005, 12:16:35 AM
*cough*  :paranoid
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 29, 2005, 10:59:55 AM
you can't lose 2 of 3 to the D-backs.  especially the 3rd game, when you KNOW that all the teams chasing you lost earlier in the day.  you have to go out and get the job done.  and what does Jimmy do, 1st pitch, swings and pops up.  i can't stand him at the top of the lineup anymore.  that fact that he stays there because uncle cholly says, "the lineup doesn't look right without him at the top" is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 29, 2005, 06:12:44 PM
Apparantley, Tucker is going to start against "tough" RHP and spell Burrell in left.

The stats against RHP:
Burrell- .275 avg, 18 HR, 68 BI, .877 OPS
Tucker- .256 avg, 5 HR, 30 BI, .739 OPS
Bell- .202 avg, 4 HR, 27 BI, .542 OPS

Manuel is an idiot.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 29, 2005, 06:23:19 PM
Apparantley, Tucker is going to start against "tough" RHP and spell Burrell in left.

The stats against RHP:
Burrell- .275 avg, 18 HR, 68 BI, .877 OPS
Tucker- .256 avg, 5 HR, 30 BI, .739 OPS
Bell- .202 avg, 4 HR, 27 BI, .542 OPS

Manuel is an idiot.

Why include Bell's stats?  Is Manuel supposed to sit Bell and put Tucker on 3rd?  I can understand being upset about playing Tucker over Burrell but I don't see the reasoning for even mentioning Bell.  Elaborate please. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 29, 2005, 06:43:06 PM
Just to show what Bell is doing and that Wade is doing to improve the situation.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Wingspan on August 29, 2005, 06:54:39 PM
why does any position player ever need to "rest"

all they really do is stand around for half the game, sit down the other half. and MAYBE if they have a good night, have to run for a combined total of about 45 seconds.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 30, 2005, 12:25:24 AM
Marlins lost.  Magic number is now 31...

Also, the Braves got Todd Hollandsworth from Chicago....  :-\
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2005, 02:00:25 AM
Ed Wade has 1 day to acquire a RH corner infielder...

So, I guess Dave Bell will be our 3B for the rest of the year. :-\
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2005, 06:36:06 AM
Ed Wade has 1 day to acquire a RH corner infielder...

So, I guess Dave Bell will be our 3B for the rest of the year. :-\

GET MIKE LOWELL!  :D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Philly_Crew on August 30, 2005, 07:08:17 AM
Ed Wade has 1 day to acquire a RH corner infielder...

So, I guess Dave Bell will be our 3B for the rest of the year. :-\

And next year  :puke
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MURP on August 30, 2005, 10:10:26 AM
I just wanted to stop by and remind everyone of how awesome David Bell is. 

thanks.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2005, 10:19:22 AM
Thanks for the reminder, chief. I almost forgot that he was hitting .202 against RHP for a second. Good thing this series against the Mets features 3 starting RHP's, including Pedro.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: rjs246 on August 30, 2005, 11:23:51 AM
Baseball eats grundle.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 30, 2005, 04:08:52 PM
Rheal must go!  Sign Fe'ao!

(http://starbulletin.com/2005/08/29/news/art1c.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Sgt PSN on August 30, 2005, 04:35:09 PM
Is she a soft ball pitcher? 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 30, 2005, 05:08:58 PM
Is she a soft ball pitcher? 

Future BYU line backer
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: QB Eagles on August 30, 2005, 06:25:18 PM
The NL Wildcard race is really heating up.  :-D

NATIONALWLGBSTRK
Philadelphia7061-Lost  2
Florida69621Lost  2
NY Mets68621.5Lost  2
Houston68621.5Lost  2
Washington67632.5Lost  2
Milwaukee64676Lost  2
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 30, 2005, 06:59:16 PM
The NL Wildcard race is really heating up.  :-D

NATIONALWLGBSTRK
Philadelphia7061-Lost  2
Florida69621Lost  2
NY Mets68621.5Lost  2
Houston68621.5Lost  2
Washington67632.5Lost  2
Milwaukee64676Lost  2

Really emphasizes the "team that really wants it" cliche doesn't it?
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2005, 07:25:42 PM
Lofton solo HR

Burrell 2R HR and continues to own the Mets & Shea

3-0 Phils after 1
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on August 30, 2005, 07:25:50 PM
Big first inning, especially against Seo who has been pitching very well recently.

  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2005, 07:33:05 PM
Beltran finally hits a HR....

3-1 Mets b1st
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2005, 07:35:07 PM
JESUS F'IN CHRIST!!!!!

Davdi Bell is farging HORRRRRRIBLE!

He just totally missed a pop out by Floyd. He calls off Rollins and the ball bounces right behind him.

YOU SUCK YOU GODDAMN PIECE OF GARBAGE!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 30, 2005, 07:38:44 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on August 30, 2005, 07:39:19 PM
C'mon Phreak, let it all out buddy.

Don't hold anything back.

 :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2005, 07:40:06 PM
I was laughing. I wished it hit him the head. Luckily Wright didn't hit it out. Still, he farging sucks. A pile of shtein. Useless. Old. Crap. Wade has what, 1 day to change it.

Weak groundball to SS as Bell makes amends for his error with another awful at bat.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2005, 07:44:36 PM
Jimmy Rollins knocks in Lieby from 2nd with a single to CF...

I wish that flyball would've broken Bell's farging eyesocket.

Bring back CHARLIE HAYES!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 30, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
Bring back Rick Schu!

 :-D :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2005, 07:48:48 PM
Hell, bring back Dave Hollins or Alex Arias. Anything is better than that bum Bell.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2005, 08:34:19 PM
F'ing umpire just blew that call...Lofton was safe by a farging mile.

Charlie got tossed.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2005, 08:35:40 PM
F'ing umpire just blew that call...Lofton was safe by a farging mile.

Charlie got tossed.

Good time Charlie?  No way.  :D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 30, 2005, 08:37:58 PM
He was hot...and rightly so.

He almost did the "turn the hat around backwards to scream" but just took it off.

Fiedlin Culbreath = terrible umpire.

I hate umpires. They have no accountability whatsoever. farg up a call? Who cares. MLB needs to discippline the farging iceholes.

F the ump. F David Bell.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2005, 08:40:57 PM
I told you:  GET LOWELL!

Good to see the Phitins on top.  Beat down those crummy Mutts.  >:D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2005, 09:01:11 PM
4-2 game now. Floyd almost hit one out.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2005, 09:02:02 PM
4-2 game now. Floyd almost hit one out.

And Bell almost hit the ball out of the infield.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2005, 09:09:37 PM
4-2 game now. Floyd almost hit one out.

And Bell almost hit the ball out of the infield.

He was so close. Maybe next time he can show that oppo power and hit the ball to the second basemen.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2005, 09:38:18 PM
GET MARLON ANDERSON!  :D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2005, 09:45:49 PM
Man, Madsen is struggling.  :boom
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on August 30, 2005, 10:06:39 PM
Nice pitch Urbina you farg! OMG THEY SUCK!!!  :boo >:( :boom
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2005, 10:06:45 PM
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Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2005, 10:08:02 PM
Let the choke-a-thon begin. Bunch of losers.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 30, 2005, 10:22:43 PM
Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe this shtein. 
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2005, 10:24:57 PM
FARGING BUNCH OF LOSERS
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 30, 2005, 10:27:14 PM
This is the only thing that will cheer me up besides drinking and beating the kid:
(http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2005/Aug/29/FPI508290355AR.jpg)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 30, 2005, 10:28:01 PM
The only thing that cheers me up is that football season is right around the corner.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 30, 2005, 10:35:08 PM
There is no cheering me up.   :'( >:( :boom :paranoid :poison
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 30, 2005, 11:37:49 PM
i hurt  :(
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2005, 12:56:30 AM
I want to...I don't even know what I want to do right now. :'(

1. Lofton's run should've made it 5-2

2. Ryan GODDAMN Madson always throws wild pitches! Like the 4th time tonight where he threw one and he allowed a run to score. F'in loser.

The game should've been tied at 5-5 after that bum hit that HR in the 8th.

Pedro tomorrow
Glavine on Thursday
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on August 31, 2005, 06:00:49 AM
Pedro tomorrow
Glavine on Thursday

Good night sports fans.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: SunMo on August 31, 2005, 10:29:01 AM
among the multiple stupid plays and mistakes last night, why the hell was Jimmy Rollins bunting with 2 outs and runners on 2nd and 3rd last night?  what a stupid play.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 31, 2005, 11:44:49 AM
I love Ugie Urbina.

He's the bestest.

 :yay

 :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 07:36:01 PM
Beltran gets a 2 out single. Steals second. Floyd singles him home. Glad to see his game is coming back from the collision injury now.  :D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2005, 07:46:04 PM
Ramon Castro just hit another HR....a fargin bomb too...

2-0 Muts :'(
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 31, 2005, 07:47:55 PM
Woof...


(http://www.dogstarr.com/heimlich.gif)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 07:52:17 PM
Pedro is in a groove now. Phillies are swinging at the first pitch. Yup, good fun.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 08:12:58 PM
Howard homers. 2-1.

David Bells tonight:
0-2. 2 pitches seen. 2 fly outs. 2-25 career vs. Pedro. .201 aganst righties. He sucks.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:34:16 PM
Nice solo shot for Utley off of Pedro to tie it up at 2-2.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2005, 08:42:54 PM
Howard homers. 2-1.

David Bells tonight:
0-2. 2 pitches seen. 2 fly outs. 2-25 career vs. Pedro. .201 aganst righties. He sucks.

Make that 0-3. 3 pitches seen. 3 flyouts. 2-26 against Pedro

After Utley homered, Abreu walked and stole 2nd. There was 0 outs.

Burrell K
Howard K
Bell fly out
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 08:42:59 PM
Bell is so farging bad.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:45:26 PM
Burrell has major issues with Pedro. I can't think of another pitcher that gets him so bad.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:48:40 PM
Great (two) catches K-Lo.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 08:50:29 PM
This is actually a fantastic game, except for the albatross that is David Bell.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:50:58 PM
LIEBY WITH A HR!!!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2005, 08:51:17 PM
Holy shtein!

Loserthal hit a HR!

3-2!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:53:09 PM
RAIN RAIN RAIN!! LOL
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:53:35 PM
Geez, that bunt was as good as it gets. Lofton almost got it.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:54:24 PM
UTLEY IS PEDRO'S DADDY
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2005, 08:54:36 PM
UTLEY 2R HR!

5-2!!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on August 31, 2005, 08:55:19 PM
I love how those fargin Mets fans have had to shut up. Sit down and shove those K placards up your asses.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:56:01 PM
Abreu with a double.

Pedro's going to have to be pulled soon. He's getting hit all over the place.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:56:24 PM
I love how those fargin Mets fans have had to shut up. Sit down and shove those K placards up your asses.

 :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 08:56:41 PM
Rain baby rain.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:57:23 PM
Geez, Burrell just knocked out the catcher and the ump in one shot.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 31, 2005, 08:57:44 PM
Good news: Marlins down 7-0
Bad news:  rain delay in the 5th inning, so it isn't official yet  :P
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 31, 2005, 08:59:01 PM
Rain baby rain.

No no no no no!  If the Mets don't bat, it isn't official yet!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 08:59:14 PM
Good news: Marlins down 7-0
Bad news:  rain delay in the 5th inning, so it isn't official yet  :P

Rain's not supposed to last long. Passing shower.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 09:03:16 PM
Nice DP.  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 09:04:40 PM
Myers is pitching another solid game.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 09:08:50 PM
damn that is some rain.

But they can call the game now.  ;D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 09:09:28 PM
Bell got jobbed! How dare Heath Bell do that!
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 09:10:41 PM
Urbina...don't farg this up
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 09:18:10 PM
Way to bounce back Urbina.  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 09:18:15 PM
Urbina...don't farg this up

I figure he's not that bad to farg it up two nights in a row....looks like he will. And does.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 31, 2005, 09:35:59 PM
That unclutch Abreu, taking away Wagner's save again  ::)
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 09:37:02 PM
8-2 game to btm 9. Wags gettin some work now.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 31, 2005, 09:41:21 PM
That unclutch Abreu, taking away Wagner's save again  ::)

[Eskin]That wasn't clutch.  The Phillies already had a three-run lead.  And I know baseball better than you.[/Eskin]
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 09:51:58 PM
Phollies win! I've got class during most of the game tommorrow. Put that one away early so I dont have to worry....
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 31, 2005, 09:57:49 PM
Fish losing 10-0  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 10:02:49 PM
PS...Myers = Ace.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 10:03:30 PM
Tommorrow's lineup should be:

Michaels
Rollins
Abreu
Burrell
Utley
Lieberthal
Howard
Bell- does hit lefties well
Lieber
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 10:05:38 PM
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Philadelphia Phillies: Billy Wagner pushed back the Aug. 31 deadine he set for negotiating an extension with the Phillies because he believes a deal is close to being completed, the Philadelphia Daily News reported Wednesday.

"I am optimistic," Wagner told the paper of working out a deal to remain the Phillies' closer.

Wagner did not discuss specifics, but it seems he is willing to make concessions on some aspects of his request for a three-year, $27 million deal with a full no-trade clause, the paper reported. The Phillies are believed to have offer a deal that includes two guaranteed years, with a partial no-trade clause for the second year, and an option for a third year that could bring the maximum value of the contract to $24 million.

"That whole deadline thing was to make sure that they said, 'Hey. Let's talk,' instead of, 'Let's wait until the end of the year to talk to Billy Wagner,' " Wagner told the paper. "I get frustrated like everybody else. I say things off the cuff that I shouldn't. ... I'm a pretty aggressive player. I want things to happen now. But dealing with a baseball game and dealing with baseball [management] people is different.

"You want a certain level of courtship. If you want somebody, you do whatever it takes to get him."
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Geowhizzer on August 31, 2005, 10:15:51 PM
That would be good news.  Especially the two plus an option.  Even for Wagner, three-year contracts for pitchers are high risk.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Rome on August 31, 2005, 10:19:28 PM
WAR UNDERACHIEVERS![/size]

 :-D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 31, 2005, 10:24:09 PM
Shane Victorino
A.J. Hinch
Matt Kata
Geoff Geary
Pedro Liriano
Gavin Floyd

Come on down!  You're the next contestants in the Phils' playoff race!  :D
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 10:59:40 PM
Victorino  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 11:07:51 PM
Floyd makes no sense. Send him home for the year or to the Arizona Fall League. Everyone else, eh. Extra bodies can't hurt. Victorino could actually help, if he gets in.

David Bell now hitting .200 on the dot against RHP. .243 overall. He sucks. He sucks. He sucks. He sucks.
Loserthal up to .254--.323 in August. Keep it up  :yay

Myers went 7 innings, 6 hits, 2 er, bb, 7 k on 102 pitches. Awsome job.

Glavine tommorrow. Some numbers:
Lieb- .333
Pat- .295
Jim- .395
Bell- .318
Pratt- .364 (will probably catch)
JMike- .188....surprising since he hits lefties so well
Bob- .200
Utley- 0/3

In the past 3 years, he is 3-6 with 4.40 era

Lieber for the Phils. Mets against him:
Floyd- .362
Beltran- .364
Reyes- 4/6

He's had 3 starts in the past few years against the Mets, 2 of them were very good, 1 was bad.

Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on August 31, 2005, 11:08:35 PM
I was going to say (after Leiby's HR) that he seemed to have finally gotten out of the slump he was in. He's hitting much better right now. Good to see.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: MDS on August 31, 2005, 11:12:30 PM
He should be hitting 7th in the lineup now against RHP, still 8th against LHP cause Bell magiaclly hits them fairly decentley. Manuel has to realize this and make the change.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: BigEd76 on August 31, 2005, 11:30:58 PM
Phils gained ground on every NL East team today  :yay
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: Don Ho on September 01, 2005, 12:38:54 AM
Phils gained ground on every NL East team today  :yay

Buckle up, sit back and enjoy the roller coaster ride.
Title: Re: Phillies season 7
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 01, 2005, 07:36:05 AM
PS...Myers = Ace.

 ;)

Quote
Phil Sheridan | Myers shows he is an ace in the making
By Phil Sheridan
Inquirer Columnist

NEW YORK - Everyone knew this was going to be impossible for the Phillies. Everyone knew the Mets had their ace pitching with a chance to seize momentum in the wild-card race.

A festive Shea Stadium crowd of 43,780 bubbled with that NYC sense of entitlement after the Phillies blew the series opener Tuesday night. Pedro Martinez, his fans literally singing his praises from out in left-center, would take the mound and take the Phillies' hearts.

Everyone knew it. Confidence crackled from the talk-radio stations. More than 8,000 fans walked up and bought tickets yesterday. They wanted to be there when the Mets cast the Phillies aside and started their run toward the postseason.

It didn't turn out that way. Turned out the Phillies had their ace going, too.
Eat it, Mutt fans.

"It was a game where the adrenaline was really pumping," Brett Myers said. "It was loud. It sounded like there were 100,000 people there. That really makes you want to stick it to them."

Myers did just that.

The still-young, still-undefined righthander had the job of out-big-gaming the big-game star. He did it, too, in a game that served as a snapshot of their careers.

Martinez, the likely Hall of Famer, started strong and faded. Myers, headstrong and unpredictable, fell behind by 2-0 early and then got stronger.

"Pedro deserves that respect," Myers said. "He's earned it. He's an icon in New York and in Boston. But whenever you face anybody's ace, you want to be your team's ace."

If you're thinking it's a little early to label Myers the Phillies' ace, then fine. But this is how aces are made. They're forged in the heat of games like this.

First inning, it looked as if Myers just might melt instead. Carlos Beltran, who seemed to be awakening as September loomed, singled, stole second and scored on a base hit by Cliff Floyd. Myers ran a full count on David Wright and then threw a wild-high pitch to walk him.

Then came a sight both familiar and strange.

Familiar, because the pitching coach was up and out of the dugout, striding toward Myers. How many times did we see that early in games over the last couple of years?

Strange, because we haven't seen this particular pitching coach do that. Rich Dubee picks his spots, and he picked this one.

Myers got Mike Jacobs to ground out, ending that threat. Then he tossed up a second-inning tomato that Ramon Castro slammed into the same part of the left-field seats as his Tuesday night game-winner.

Aces don't fall behind by 2-0 with Pedro on the mound for the other guys. Aces don't give up home runs to the eight-hole hitter in the second inning of their most important start of the season.

But here's what aces do. Down by 2-0, Pedro owning the top halves of innings, aces get themselves under control. Aces give up just one harmless single over the next three innings, allowing their teammates to get back into the game. Aces pitch out of trouble in the sixth (with spectacular defensive help from Kenny Lofton).

And in the seventh, after their teammates score three runs to open a lead, aces slam the door.

Myers did those things in a game the Phillies absolutely had to win. Think about it. A loss would have meant a four-game losing streak and an overwhelming sense of big-game shrinkage. A loss would have given the Mets a huge momentum boost and a chance to sweep this series today.

The TV cameras caught Myers and manager Charlie Manuel in the dugout after the seventh. Manuel had his left arm around Myers' neck and was hugging him like a favorite son. Myers was smiling like same.

The last few years, if Myers and the manager were seen in such a posture, it would more likely have been a headlock.
  :-D

"I've got a lot of confidence in Brett," Manuel said. "I thought about letting him go. But he was up over 100 pitches and we had that three-run lead. We still have 29 games left and he's going to be out there every fifth day."

If you're excited that young players like Chase Utley and Ryan Howard hit home runs off Martinez, consider this. At 25, Myers is younger than either of them. (Howard turns 26 in November.)

The last time the Phillies had a no-doubt-about-it ace on their staff, his name was Curt Schilling.

Schilling was once a young guy with a good fastball whose confidence far outstripped his accomplishments. Then came 1993. Schilling got into big games and came up big. That's how you become an ace.

"I think this staff, we have five guys who could be an ace on any team in the league," Myers said.

Last night, the Phillies had just one. It was enough.