2012-13 schedule released (http://www.nhl.com/ice/schedulebyseason.htm?team=phi)
-- Only 6 road games before Thanksgiving
-- Done all 4 games against Buffalo before Thanksgiving
-- This year's holiday trip is NJ/Ottawa/Nashville/St. Louis/Phoenix/LA/San Jose/Vancouver
-- February is 4 at home, followed by 5 on the road, followed by 5 more at home
-- End the season w/ 3 straight at home, Penguins/Senators/Rangers
-- Flyers do not visit Detroit, Colorado, Calgary, Edmonton, Dallas or Anaheim
-- No visits from the Blue Jackets, Predators, Blues, Kings, Coyotes or Canucks
OK thanks easy
Lots of trade talks.
Bobby Ryan
Parise
Nash won't waive his NTC to come here [thank god]
They're interested in Weber and Suter but don't think Suter wants to come here
Rumors they're trying to move up to the #6 pick to grab Dumba
I have a sneaky suspicion they might be talking to Toronto about Phaneuf. Just a gut feeling I have.
I get the feeling something big is going down tonight. Buh bye JVR.
Suter flat out said he doesn't want to come here or anywhere in the East. He wants to stay in the west. He's a glorified Carle anyway. Weber or gtfo.
The players certainly dont like Phaneuf, but Burke has been in love with JVR for years.
Quote from: SunMo on June 22, 2012, 09:07:44 AM
Suter flat out said he doesn't want to come here or anywhere in the East. He wants to stay in the west. He's a glorified Carle anyway. Weber or gtfo.
Suter is a better player than Carle but I think he winds up in Detroit. The rumor floating was JVR/Read/Bourdon/ 2 1sts for Weber. Whether that's bullshtein or not I don't know, but I wouldn't give up that much for him. If they took Read or one of the 1sts out of the mix then I'd be down.
And i head JVR/Bob/20th overall for Ryan and teh 6th. I dont see that being anywhere enough on the flyers part.
yeah that's not anywhere close. They'd probably have to throw Read or Schenn or a 1st in to make that work and maybe more.
sign parise and use your trade assets to get weber
def not for ryan....but this is the time to move read....he had his career year and his value will never be what it is now
Rumor that BOB is going to Columbus for draft picks
There's also one that Parise's rights were traded to Colorado
so far its columbus's 2nd rounder. Flyers are apparently still on the phones with them, so its possible they're working on a 3 way trade.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 22, 2012, 12:41:37 PM
Flyers are apparently still on the phones with them, so its possible they're working on a 3 way trade.
lol
Its the 42nd overall and two 4th's.
what happened to the three way trade....not you sb cause i know you got that from twitter or some other message board from a supposed expert but i absolutely despise internet idiots who post shtein that they are completely clueless about just to look smart...the GM's could have been arguing over popeyes vs kfc on the phone for all anyone knows yet some douche has to suggest that theres a 3 way trade possibly in the works
i know nhl drafts picks mean dick but thats a decent little haul for that bum
Yeah, it was TimmyP. They were probably talking about where they're going fishing next week.
It was good value. And now they have a little more ammo if they do decide to pursue a move up with Anaheim.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2012, 12:50:19 PM
i know nhl drafts picks mean dick but thats a decent little haul for that bum
Agreed. Now if they could just get rid of Bryz they'd be set. I'd be fine with them taking a chance with a veteran goalie and drafting one early to groom as a backup. I think they know they're stuck with him so that sucks. Pretty sure the Bob trade is a small piece in a bigger deal.
if they somehow got rid of breezy the euphoria i would feel would be same ballpark as that of winning the cup
As it stands now our picks would be:
PHI 1st (20)
CBJ 2nd (45)
SJ 3rd (78)
PHI 4th (111)
CBJ 4th (117)
PHI 5th (141)
PHI 7th (201)
Philly will host the 2014 draft
Quote
PITTSBURGH - Bobby Ryan spent much of his Friday playing 90 holes of golf in a charity event near his summer home in Victor, Idaho, but that didn't prevent the Cherry Hill native and Anaheim Ducks star to escape the latest round of trade rumors.
"I've gotten wind of everything," Ryan said by phone between his fourth and fifth rounds.
Through a phone conversation a night earlier with his agent, Don Meehan, plus non-stopping texts from family and friends forwarding the latest, Ryan learned that the Flyers are among four teams involved in trade talks with the Ducks.
Frustrated with Ducks management, the 25-year-old left wing suggested he's up for a trade anywhere and that the Flyers would be his first choice.
"I heard Anaheim was a little overwhelmed with offers and they only took four seriously, but none of the teams were mentioned to me other than Philly," Ryan said. "Everybody wants to play in your hometown, but it would be tough because a lot of expectations come when you're put into a situation like that. For me, if I'm moved, Philadelphia would be a very ideal and comfortable place for me."
on a scale of 1 to 10 cherry hill is a 15 on the jew scale
Pitt just traded Jordan Staal to Carolina for the 8th overall selection and Brandon Sutter
JVR Winnipeg?
Flyers select another friggen center Scott Laughton
He's a Mike Richards type...typical Flyers pick. There were 2 decent defenseman that dropped and they didn't take one.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1218112-scott-laughton-to-flyers-video-highlights-scouting-report-and-analysis?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=philadelphia-flyers (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1218112-scott-laughton-to-flyers-video-highlights-scouting-report-and-analysis?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=philadelphia-flyers)
Flyers take a 6'5 200 lbs. goalie with the #45 pick. Anthony Stolarz
QuoteAfter being cut from two Eastern Junior Hockey League team's last summer, Stolarz earned a spot with the North American Hockey League's Corpus Christi IceRays. He was able to turn his season around, finishing with 23 wins, a 2.84 goals-against average, three shutouts and a .920 save percentage in 50 games
JVR to Toronto for Luke Schenn.
i hope that's a joke, thats a hideous trade if true
farg it's all over twitter
terrible deal not to get more for JVR. if they don't sign parise they are farged at wing this year
typical flyers giving up on a young player after a bad deal.
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2012, 05:10:00 PM
i hope that's a joke, thats a hideous trade if true
Awful trade. Schenn is a 2nd/3rd pairing guy, you don't give up a young talented player for him. I'm not even a JVR fan, I like his potential and size, but he's worth much more than Schenn.
And watch, Parise is going to sign with Pittsburgh who's had one hell of an offseason so far.
I hate you all.
farging family reunion week in the nhl
The only thing you can say positive about this deal is Schenn shoots righthanded. That's it. Stupid farging deal to be sure because JVR has the potential to be a star.
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2012, 05:13:01 PM
typical flyers giving up on a young player after a bad deal.
schenn is 6 months older
i like the trade...reemer is a dime a dozen player....schenn may be as well.....we will see...but id rather take the chance on a young defenseman which they have none of anywhere in the system
lol
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 23, 2012, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2012, 05:13:01 PM
typical flyers giving up on a young player after a bad deal.
schenn is 6 months older
i like the trade...reemer is a dime a dozen player....schenn may be as well.....we will see...but id rather take the chance on a young defenseman which they have none of anywhere in the system
Dr. Contrarian misses the point. JVR has more value than Schenn does. A guy like Schenn could of been had for the first round pick, a guy like JVR has more value. He has a higher upside...maybe you disagree with that but the general consensus from around the league is that he does. Schenn's ceiling is pretty much what he produced in Toronto, JVR's ceiling is Nash. Big difference.
jvr has medicore value...hes a 20-30 goal scorer tops in the nhl.....defenseman are much more valuable than 25 goal scorers...flyers had seven players last year who had btwn 18 and 37 goals....those players are fairly easy to find
its was a perfectly even trade but ill always take the young defenseman which are much harder to come by
What is Schenn's contract
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 23, 2012, 07:15:49 PM
What is Schenn's contract
better
if i recall its about a million less per...and has four years left as opposed to reemers six
just looked it up....not a million
4.25 for reemer
3.6 for schenn
The Flyers traded an asset for a need, and an underperforming young player for another underperforming player. JVR was a #2, Schenn a #5. While the Flyers ideally may have been able to get a draftpick on top of Schenn, apparently Burke was willing to walk away from that because of the extra contract. I'm OK with the trade - not thrilled, but OK.
That said, watch JVR score 40 next year.
flyer fans have always way overrated jvr...from the minute he was drafted
patrick sharp who they got nothing for you never hear anyone talkvabout but jvr who will never score as much as sharp and who they got a young promising player for is the worst trade ever...flyer fans homer hand is strong
Two more thoughts on Schenn:
1. Schenn will be some added toughness to the defense, along with Grossmann. It's all too evident that Pronger is never coming back, and the defense was pushed around a bunch last year.
2. Schenn is right-handed. Not that he will be of much help offensively, but I was sick of defenders trying to play the puck off the wall on their backhand.
As it stands now the Flyers are $11.5 million under the cap. They can be 10% over the cap during the offseason as long as they're under the cap once the season starts. The cap is estimated to be at $70 million so in reality they have $18.5 million under the cap considering Pronger is going on the LTIR meaning his space won't count once the season starts and they'll be under. Plenty of space if they want to sign a guy like Parise although I still think he signs with Pittsburgh which really sucks. What to do with that space. They could keep a guy like Carle, re-sign their own and still have money left over.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 23, 2012, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: SunMo on June 23, 2012, 05:13:01 PM
typical flyers giving up on a young player after a bad deal.
schenn is 6 months older
i like the trade...reemer is a dime a dozen player....schenn may be as well.....we will see...but id rather take the chance on a young defenseman which they have none of anywhere in the system
i'm actually in agreement with you on this one. JVR is the tinman, despite what anyone says he's not into hockey. He just floats when he feels like it. He's a player with a ton of potential, but it seemed like it would never just come together with him. Schenn was 7th in the league in hits, he's got high upside.
The entire JVR draft class sucked blls, even Kane turned out to be a gigantic turd, albeit one who earned his team the Cup.
SD called it, you knew the dialogue was there between Burke and Homer.
Rumors floating around of a Coburn/Voracek for Bobby Ryan. On one hand I think it's an even trade on the other hand the Flyers are already weak defensively and Coburn is a top pairing guy [on their squad]. Eskin said lastnight on Sports Final the Flyers are going to go after Parise. I'd love Parise but I still think he goes to Pittsburgh.
that would be insane
i wouldnt trade coburn straight up for ryan
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2012, 09:27:38 AM
that would be insane
i wouldnt trade coburn straight up for ryan
I'd like the move more if they had more defensive depth. And by defensive depth I don't mean Carle.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2012, 09:27:38 AM
that would be insane
i wouldnt trade coburn straight up for ryan
Me either. Jake for Ryan would make just as much sense since Anaheim is in a position of diminished value. But Holmgren never understands this part of trades and will give in.
How much will igy's head explode if the Flyers land Ryan? He'd become an instant fan favorite because of his ties to the area and organization. I want it to happen just to see his reaction.
i actually like the guy and have nothing against him...i just look at him as a luxury rather than a need
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 25, 2012, 10:03:43 AM
i actually like the guy and have nothing against him...i just look at him as a luxury rather than a need
You like the guy but hate how much the homer Flyer fans would drool all over him.
yeah theres no question he will be elevated to insane levels by camden countyers and it will be sickening
but i cant hate him for that
Apparently the Flyers are on Justin Schultz's short list of teams he'd like to sign with. I'd rather take a chance with a 21 year old talented defenseman than I would re-signing a guy like Carle.
i read the flyers have virtually no chance to sign him because its not a bidding situation where money will be a factor...hes gonna make the entry level contract and thats that...and the factors that he is using are close to home and play with ex college teammates...neither of which the flyers can offer...in fact i saw a list that had the top seven teams favorited to land him and the flyers didnt even make that
I saw a list and it was all swedish teams
(http://toughpigs.com/uploaded_images/Swedishchef-myspace-760269.jpg)
TimmyP is saying Flyers/Nash rumors are heating up again. This makes no sense because free agency starts tomorrow, why not see how that plays out before making a move. They don't need Nash, and if they wanted him that bad they should have moved JVR for him. If Holmgren gives up Courterier or Schenn [I've come around after the playoffs] for him I'm going to lose my farging mind.
btw Schultz signed with Edmonton
Seems to be a lot of talk about Bouwmeester. Probably just that, but who knows.
lol
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Flyers Just Signed Michael Leighton to a 1 Year deal $900,000!
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Sam Carchidi @BroadStBull
Source: #Flyers have made offers to Parise, Suter and Carle today.
Supposedly Jagr is getting a lot of interest from Edmonton
jagr can go to hell
he was a zombie the last quarter of the season and the playoffs
They weren't satisfied with having one zesty goalie. Now they have two!
Rumors swirling the Flyers offered long ass deals like 10+ years to both Parise and Suter.
Nick Kypreos @RealKyper
Like #Flyers the #Wild have thrown the kitchen sink at Parise/Suter. Going rate on all #NHL offers are now minimum 12 years between 80-90M
How come 12 year deals are okay but that 17 year deal or whatever it was to Kovalchuk was deemed as only that long to bring down the AAV? Isn't that what a 12 year deal is doing too?
Dreger and McKenzie both reporting the Flyers have made the biggest offers to Parise and Suter. Parise won't decide until tomorrow at the earliest...
LETS DO THIS
I'd really love Parise but I'm not getting my hopes up just to see him sign with the Pens.
According to TimmP the Flyers made the biggest offer of any team to Suter and Parise. Parise is supposed to make his decision tomorrow. If he signs, great, if he doesn't, at least they drove the price up on a team like the Pens [who I'm fully expecting him to sign with].
If I had to guess I'd say it's"
1. Pens
2. Wild
3. Flyers
parise on a line with sid is scary
I'm 90% sure that's what we're going to see. It'll be interesting to see if they give him a deal that averages higher per year than what the Pens gave Crosby.
flyers have the ea sports cover boy tho
thats gotta count for more than a jello head
if they don't get parise i hope homer doesn't overpay to get Nash from Columbus. i'd rather him go after Ryan anyway, i think he'll cost less.
and i don't really want Suter at a huge contract, he's not much better than Carle is.
Nash I don't want unless he comes very cheap and we know that's not the case. I'd love Ryan and Eskin reported last night the Flyers offer is Read/Gus/future 1st for him. If that's the case I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. Even if they do get Parise I'd still make that trade. I doubt Anaheim does that though, they probably want either Schenn or Courturier and to me there's not way I make that deal.
Can't break up the Schenn brothers!
Quote from: SunMo on July 02, 2012, 08:41:53 AM
if they don't get parise i hope homer doesn't overpay to get Nash from Columbus. i'd rather him go after Ryan anyway, i think he'll cost less.
and i don't really want Suter at a huge contract, he's not much better than Carle is.
i dont want any part of power forward...they are so 1980's in the nhl...patrick kane henrik zetterberg dustin brown is what wins these days......this is why ive always hated reemer...so boring
Ovechin/Malkin/Crosby are all power forwards. The term is actually a little outdated...I prefer talent upgrade whereever possible, and if you can get a potential 40 goal scorer in his early 20's for Read/Gus/1st you make that trade in a heartbeat
I think Suter is a pretty significant upgrade from Carle, but not at that price. If they're really giving 100mil out I'd prefer it be for Parise.
id sign parise for no other reason than to stop the penguins from getting him
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2012, 10:19:09 AM
id sign parise for no other reason than to stop the penguins from getting him
agreed 100%
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 02, 2012, 10:19:09 AM
id sign parise for no other reason than to stop the penguins from getting him
THIS...
group kisses?
on peepee holes
yum
LMAO
Might be down to the Wild and Penguins for Parise
Eklund's a hack but this is coming from TimmyP and I believe it...especially the part about Bryz:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Tim-Panaccio/It-May-Not-Be-The-Money/2/45379
QuoteEklund and I were both told by people we trust that Suter would NOT play for the Flyers. I was told NO team in the East but PGH had a shot at it because of Suter's past relationship with Pens GM Ray Shero.
Suter is a longshot to everyone else in the East, I feel.
Parise? I talked to agents who have a pulse on what goes on and they said before this began that they never heard Parise's name with any club other than NJ. Not that kind of guy.
Now there are offers but ... I have a hard time thinking he takes the $ and comes here because he really likes playing in NJ and that would be less money. What I am saying is that these are 2 guys who may turn down $ for other reasons.
One prominent agent told me before FA began the Flyers would have trouble this summer luring impact players b/c a lot of guys aren't sold on goalie Ilya Bryzgalov's ability to win a Cup and based on what they saw this season in Philly, reinforces their belief.
wonderful
Everyone knows this. That's why Homer had to offer more than everyone else.
They're farged until they dump Bryz.
The end.
Only 8 more years!
I'm not shaving until they dump Bryz.
The contract that keeps on giving.
Jagr signed with the stars...$4.5 million...they overpaid big time
Wow, he def went for the loot
QuoteZach Parise, Ryan Suter to decide
Updated: July 4, 2012, 9:37 AM ET
ESPN.com news services
Prized free agents Zach Parise and Ryan Suter are expected to decide their futures Wednesday, sources told ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun.
A Minnesota native, Parise did not meet with any teams Tuesday, one of his agents, Wade Arnott, told The Associated Press.
The New Jersey Devils want their top forward available to re-sign while Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Detroit and Minnesota are among the teams that are trying to lure him away. A source familiar with the situation told ESPNChicago.com's Jesse Rogers on Monday that the Blackhawks were one of the teams "being considered" by Parise.
A source also confirmed that Suter visited with both Detroit and Minnesota on Tuesday. The Detroit Free Press reported that the Red Wings incresed their offer to the defenseman on Sunday of $80 million over 13 years to $90 million.
The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported that the Wild also sent a contingent to meet in person with Suter on Tuesday.
The two free agents are both 27 and each has been with only one team during their seven-season careers. Suter has played for the Nashville Predators, who are hoping for a quick answer from him so that they can move onto Plan B if necessary. The Predators aren't alone.
Second-tier free agents such as defenseman Matt Carle and forward Alexander Semin seem to be waiting for Suter and Praise to sign so that they can offer their talents to teams that don't get a top target.
Hahaha. 90 million dollars for Suter?!?
Koo Koo for Cocoa Puffs.
I'd love to have Suter and Parise...but not at those prices. Suter's problem is he's not a shut down guy defensively, doesn't have a cannon from the point, is sort of a physical/finesse tweener defenseman type/, and doesn't possess great puckhandling or playmaking ability. Not to mention he was paired with the best defenseman in the league...so he might be a product of the Pronger/Chara syndrome of looking better than he is because of who he was playing with.
I don't want Carle back unless he gives the Flyers a steep discount of $3 million per. Someone is going to overpay for him big time.
Parise isn't in the same class as Malkin/Crosby/Ovechkin/Stamkos/Giroux but he's a tier below. He's intriguing because he's a two way forward. I'd love to have him. I just hope Homer doesn't make a knee jerk reaction and trade Schenn/Courturier away if Parise signs elsewhere.
The more I read about the offers the more it appears the Flyers drove up the price of both players. Other teams are probably pissed. But that's the way the game is played.
Both are going to Minnesota....done deal
UPDATE: 13/$98M for each
Best case scenario. The Flyers don't tie their cap up for years and they both stay away from Pittsburgh. I just hope Homer doesn't turn around and do something stupid now.
The Flyers offered both 12/$100M.
That is pathologically insane. 13/98 is bad enough, though, because neither player is worth close to that.
I hope some team steps up and takes Carle, he's not worth the $5 million per year he's going to get.
Muwahahahahaha!!!
- Matt Carle's Agent
Quote from: Rome on July 04, 2012, 01:51:12 PM
The Flyers offered both 12/$100M.
That is pathologically insane. 13/98 is bad enough, though, because neither player is worth close to that.
And yet it sounds like neither player came close to signing with the Flyers (or with the Penguins, for that matter). All of the offers were so over-the-top ridiculous that the decisions didn't really have to come down to money.
Would have been nice seeing the Flyers making moves that improve the team now, but those are giant contracts to be throwing around in such a weak FA market. Now let's just hope they don't make an ill-advised trade that makes the team worse instead.
Still a lot of rumors circulating about trading for either Bobby Ryan or Rick Nash.
To me, either one would be too costly in young players and prospects/draft picks. It would take at minimum one of Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier.
pfft, who needs Suter when you can have Bruno Gervais instead
Carle signed with Tampa Bay. 6 years $5.5 million per. Good riddance.
I don't know if good riddance is right. He was a decent player. He's not worth that kind of dough, though. That's absurd for a second pairing defenseman.
He was a terrible defensman. He had some offensive skill but he was bad in his own end, turned the puck over a lot, and joined the rush too much. Those issues were masked when he was paired with Pronger, once he was on his own he was exposed. That contract is a joke.
For once it's someone else's joke. High five?
Jokes on Yzerman. Maybe Holmgren can sucker them into taking Bryz next.
I hope Holmgren sits with the cap space they currently have. Let the young guys develop. Go into free agency next season and blow Weber away with an offer.
Thats where i'm at with it SD. They got lucky at this point. Carle at 4 mill per was a lot. 5.5 is ridiculous.
Fedotenko is back (1/$1.75M)
Gervais is done too....2-yr deal
Couldnt have possibly had two worse signings. Awesome
lol settle down
"Rosy" does nothing for me. Signing a russian to be your Grinder..meh
Bruno Gervais is nothing more than a 3rd pairing guy. Moneywise they're good, but as far as improvements it solved nothing.
Wayne Gretzky & Ray Bourque weren't available.
they're retired, idiot.
Rocket Richard?
If Gretzky and Borque were available someone would bitch about their cap number. Asshats.
I would have liked to have seen Borque win a cup.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 05, 2012, 08:42:34 AM
Thats where i'm at with it SD. They got lucky at this point. Carle at 4 mill per was a lot. 5.5 is ridiculous.
With these moves it looks like Holmgren is thinking the same thing. I'm fine with letting the young guys develop for another season and getting back into the playoffs as a middle seed. In reality I'd rather see them tank, get a top 5 pick, and add a young stud defenseman.
Mediocrity?
they don't need to tank and get a top 5 young d. they need to chill and give weber a max deal next offseason.
young d take awhile to develop anyway.
holy shtein.....Weber signed an offer sheet with US.....14 years, $100M+
Damn you ed...how are you awake at 1 AM?!
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 19, 2012, 01:05:51 AM
holy shtein.....Weber signed an offer sheet with US.....14 years, $100M+
I don't hate this. Salary wise that's a good deal. The 4 first rounders they'd have to surrender would suck but the Flyers have enough young talent and they usually trade their firsts for guys like Versteeg anyway so at least they'd be getting the best defenseman in the game.
IGY will admit he's the best defenseman only if the offer sheet is matched.
If it's unmatched, he's overrated and overpaid.
Quite a coup if they get him without giving up any current players. I feel like the Predators pretty much have to match, but it's possible the Flyers loaded the offer up with signing bonuses in an attempt to make that nearly impossible for the Preds. I do like the move even if the only effect is to send Nashville into poverty.
This team needs all of the stud D men it can convince to play in front of Bryz. I don't care how they get them. So yes, I like it.
Kudos to Homer for making the offer but Nashville is going to match that, right? It breaks down to seven million a year which is manageable for them. They'd be crazy not to match it, actually.
Not getting too excited about this. Yet.
Quote from: SD on July 19, 2012, 05:28:05 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 19, 2012, 01:05:51 AM
holy shtein.....Weber signed an offer sheet with US.....14 years, $100M+
I don't hate this. Salary wise that's a good deal. The 4 first rounders they'd have to surrender would suck but the Flyers have enough young talent and they usually trade their firsts for guys like Versteeg anyway so at least they'd be getting the best defenseman in the game.
from doing some reading, i believe that since the AAV is under $8m the compensation is 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd.
Supposedly the signing bonus makes the first-year payment somewhere in the neighborhood of $26 million, which may make it hard for cash-stapped Nashville to match.
Shots over the Bow. Love the move. Sucks for Nashville fans, but all 10K of them will get over it
There's some talk that the Flyers and Preds were talking trade before, but that the Preds were using Holmgren's offer and shopping it to other teams.
This move means that, at least for next season, Weber would be guaranteed to be either a Predator or a Flyer. If the Preds match, they can't trade him for a year.
With a possible lockout and lack of revenue looming, it may be hard for the Preds to ante up a large signing bonus - and I believe they'll still need additional salaries on top of that to reach the cap floor after losing Suter.
Quote from: SunMo on July 19, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: SD on July 19, 2012, 05:28:05 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 19, 2012, 01:05:51 AM
holy shtein.....Weber signed an offer sheet with US.....14 years, $100M+
I don't hate this. Salary wise that's a good deal. The 4 first rounders they'd have to surrender would suck but the Flyers have enough young talent and they usually trade their firsts for guys like Versteeg anyway so at least they'd be getting the best defenseman in the game.
from doing some reading, i believe that since the AAV is under $8m the compensation is 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd.
They only use 5 years towards the average meaning the compensation would be the 4 1sts.
QuoteSince signing bonuses are usually paid out in a lump sum on July 1 before the season of play, the would mean the Predators would be required to pay Weber $27 million in the next 347 days just to match. To put that in perspective, 16.5 percent of Nashville's entire franchise net worth ($163M as valuated by Forbes Magazine in 2011) would be paid out in less than a calendar year by the small-market team.
The Predators released a statement:
QuoteWe have stated previously that, should a team enter into an offer sheet with Shea, our intention would be to match and retain Shea. Our ownership has provided us with the necessary resources to build a Stanley Cup-winning team. Due to complexity of the offer sheet, we will take the appropriate time to review and evaluate it and all of its ramifications in order to make the best decision for the Predators in both short and long-term.
2012-13 through 2015-16 = $1M salary + $13M SB
2016-17 through 2017-18 = $4M salary + $8M SB
2018-19 through 2021-22 = $6M salary
2022-23 = $3M salary
2023-24 through 2025-26 = $1M salary
Yeah, they're farged
Deadspin has a good piece on why Homer farging rules due to this offer.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 19, 2012, 12:47:52 PM
Deadspin has a good piece on why Homer farging rules due to this offer.
http://deadspin.com/5927347/shea-webers-massive-flyers-offer-sheet-is-a-cba+beating-masterpiece#13427164963183&{"type":"iframeUpdated","height":826}
This really puts it perspective:
What's in it for Weber? This is the truly brilliant part of Philly's offer, and also relates to something the owners are fighting hard for in the new CBA: salary rollbacks. The owners claim they're paying too much money (and yet sign players to $110 million contracts without blinking, but that's not the point.) They're pushing for leaguewide salary rollbacks starting next year, which would even affect existing contracts. How to protect Weber's $110 million from becoming something less than $110 million?
Signing bonuses. Weber will actually only make $1M in salary each of his first four seasons. But he'll receive $52 million in signing bonuses over those four years, and $68 million over his first six. And signing bonuses cannot be touched by any proposed salary rollbacks. True, guaranteed money.
The signing bonuses also mean Nashville has almost no chance of matching the offer. They could match, and try to trade Weber to get something for him. But as Kypreos points out, they'd have to keep him for a full year before attempting to move him, and pay him $27 million for just that one season.
It's the NHL's first "Poison Pill" contract that I can think of.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 19, 2012, 03:19:34 PM
It's the NHL's first "Poison Pill" contract that I can think of.
Yep.
I wish Crosbys first contract included a poison pill.
I was going to "LOL" but the potential of facing rjs's withering ridicule stopped me.
ELL OOOH ELLL
the nhl is joke.....i seriously dont even want a player like that if you have to steal him from a poor franchise with some shady ridiculous deal
LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
KEEPIN IT REAL
Can't criticize the best defenseman in the NHL
Can't criticize the contract
Can't criticize the Flyers for making an all out effort
*What contrarian angle can I take?*
tick tick tick tick
I'll attack the NHL.
Every team has to play by the same salary cap, so boo friggen hoo if they can't sign him. Don't be a franchise if you can't work within the confines of the salary cap. Not to mention you praise the Skins for doing the exact same thing.
Weber's agent:
http://iphone.tsn.ca/tsnpodcasts/Bousquet.mp3
Quote from: SD on July 19, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
Weber's agent:
http://iphone.tsn.ca/tsnpodcasts/Bousquet.mp3
Need summary. 9 minutes is a hell no.
I only got bits and pieces because I'm trying to make the little one dinner but:
Weber wants to be a Flyer bad otherwise he wouldn't have signed the offer sheet.
Doesn't sound like Weber wants to go back to the Preds
If they had re-signed Suter then Weber is probably staying put
Was a bit insulted with the lowball offer the Preds threw at him last offseason
Time to get yukijersey on this bitch.
im definitely not cut from the same cloth as the homers.....or admittedly most other fans...and i apologize for upsetting you guys
this to me is a worse version of cliff lee and roy halladay....acquiring foriegn players who arent philly guys to try and buy a championship....but at least the phils gave up mad prospects....the flyers are taking advantage of a rigged system and its not appealing to me at all
you're a contrarian clown and everyone knows it.
shut up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2012, 01:18:52 AM
im definitely not cut from the same cloth as the homers.....or admittedly most other fans...and i apologize for upsetting you guys
this to me is a worse version of cliff lee and roy halladay....acquiring foriegn players who arent philly guys to try and buy a championship....but at least the phils gave up mad prospects....the flyers are taking advantage of a rigged system and its not appealing to me at all
"The game is rigged, but you can't win if you don't play"
Quote from: Rome on July 20, 2012, 05:09:10 AM
you're a contrarian clown and everyone knows it.
shut up.
Exactly. If the skins pull a move that games the system, the Eagles are idiots for not doing it. If the Pens signed Weber to this offer sheet, Homer would be catching the ire for not doing it first.
IGY, you have to occasionally take a majority opinion to throw off the scent. Although, it's probably too late on this board.
I'll bash Homer for the Bryz move (among others) but this offer sheet is an absolute stroke of genius. Now, it might end up being a terrible move if Weber gets seriously injured or * concussed * but the offer itself is flat-out brilliant.
Quote from: SD on July 19, 2012, 06:51:54 PM
I only got bits and pieces because I'm trying to make the little one dinner but:
Weber wants to be a Flyer bad otherwise he wouldn't have signed the offer sheet.
Doesn't sound like Weber wants to go back to the Preds
If they had re-signed Suter then Weber is probably staying put
Was a bit insulted with the lowball offer the Preds threw at him last offseason
From what I heard he was looking for a 3 year 21 million dollar deal, and the preds coudln't do a deal of that magnitude.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 20, 2012, 06:38:10 AM
Quote from: Rome on July 20, 2012, 05:09:10 AM
you're a contrarian clown and everyone knows it.
shut up.
Exactly. If the skins pull a move that games the system, the Eagles are idiots for not doing it. If the Pens signed Weber to this offer sheet, Homer would be catching the ire for not doing it first.
IGY, you have to occasionally take a majority opinion to throw off the scent. Although, it's probably too late on this board.
nfl is not the nhl...its not the flyers fault its the piece of shtein leagues fault
and unlike homers i dont give opinions based on what i think is the right thing to do or allow biases to enter in...i mean what i say and i say what i mean...its just sad that it upsets you so much because it doesnt fit into your model of what a "real" fan should be like
I don't think IGY understands why he's being critisized.
He does he's just being ignorant to the fact. He wrote the book on Contrarianism. Being stubborn is a side effect.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2012, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 20, 2012, 06:38:10 AM
Quote from: Rome on July 20, 2012, 05:09:10 AM
you're a contrarian clown and everyone knows it.
shut up.
Exactly. If the skins pull a move that games the system, the Eagles are idiots for not doing it. If the Pens signed Weber to this offer sheet, Homer would be catching the ire for not doing it first.
IGY, you have to occasionally take a majority opinion to throw off the scent. Although, it's probably too late on this board.
nfl is not the nhl...its not the flyers fault its the piece of shtein leagues fault
and unlike homers i dont give opinions based on what i think is the right thing to do or allow biases to enter in...i mean what i say and i say what i mean...its just sad that it upsets you so much because it doesnt fit into your model of what a "real" fan should be like
You hate southern hockey expansion. This contract shows why they should be folded, what you have advocated for years.
Quote from: SD on July 20, 2012, 10:07:23 AM
He does he's just being ignorant to the fact. He wrote the book on Contrarianism. Being stubborn is a side effect.
Very sad indeed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 20, 2012, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: SD on July 20, 2012, 10:07:23 AM
He does he's just being ignorant to the fact. He wrote the book on Contrarianism. Being stubborn is a side effect.
Very sad indeed.
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 20, 2012, 10:08:44 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 20, 2012, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 20, 2012, 06:38:10 AM
Quote from: Rome on July 20, 2012, 05:09:10 AM
you're a contrarian clown and everyone knows it.
shut up.
Exactly. If the skins pull a move that games the system, the Eagles are idiots for not doing it. If the Pens signed Weber to this offer sheet, Homer would be catching the ire for not doing it first.
IGY, you have to occasionally take a majority opinion to throw off the scent. Although, it's probably too late on this board.
nfl is not the nhl...its not the flyers fault its the piece of shtein leagues fault
and unlike homers i dont give opinions based on what i think is the right thing to do or allow biases to enter in...i mean what i say and i say what i mean...its just sad that it upsets you so much because it doesnt fit into your model of what a "real" fan should be like
You hate southern hockey expansion. This contract shows why they should be folded, what you have advocated for years.
that is precisely why this makes me queasy....if they did this to the rangers then i wouldnt care....but to put an entire franchise out of business because of some bullshtein just doesnt sit right with me...again i dont expect all you homers to understand this way of thinking because you guys would buy the entire la kings franchise and move them to philly to win a cup and not think twice...but thats not me
No, and honestly I like Nashville as opposed to other teams from the South. But, in the end I love this move, and no matter what the reason behind your not feeling it, you have to admit having a 26 year old Defenseman who's a legit #1 wrapped up for the foreseeable future is a lot better than spending 100mill on Suter.
The NHL is farged from top to bottom, but lets not act like only teams who spend money win. Its all about luck and chemistry. And I think that Holmgren making this deal is just a giant farg you to the league which i'm a fan of.
Don't feed the hippo.
Apparently Shane Doan is coming to Philly for a visit
Isn't he Rome's age?
Todd hacked FF's account.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on July 20, 2012, 09:05:02 PM
No, and honestly I like Nashville as opposed to other teams from the South. But, in the end I love this move, and no matter what the reason behind your not feeling it, you have to admit having a 26 year old Defenseman who's a legit #1 wrapped up for the foreseeable future is a lot better than spending 100mill on Suter.
in three years if he is winning norris trophys and the flyers are winning the cup im sure ill be fine.....but right now it feels dirty and i dont like it
Quote from: Rome on July 21, 2012, 09:45:50 AM
Todd hacked FF's account.
That blow was lower than the ones in the Lasch Building showers.
If igy wrote an article about the Shea Weber signing it would look exactly like this:
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/48092-Shea-Weber-contract-magnifies-disparity-in-NHL-markets.html
1000% true
either get rid of 8-10 teams or make the system fair for everyone....otherwise its a complete mockery and it drives away even die hards like myself
If your team manages to get the best defenseman in the game and that drives you away from the sport, good riddance.
I see igy's point, as contrarian as he is. But I can't fault the Flyers for trying to improve their team. Weber apparently visited a bunch of other teams, he just chose the Flyers to sign with.
So during the parade, should we all expect to see IGY in a corner mumbling to himself that this isnt the right way to win a title?
Parades are totally for non-fans and super homers. Toats!
Reports are that the Preds GM got ownership approval to match, but he wants to see if Weber wants him to first.
Well that just sucks.
flyers dont deserve him....and from his standpoint why the farg would he want to play in front of breezy for the next 8 years
Yeah, you're right. He'd much rather be playing in Nashville until they move to another city. And then another...
Quote@DarrenDreger saying Flyers offered Matt Read, Meszaros, a 1st, 2 2nds, and a 3rd for Weber in a trade. Nashville said no
bush league offer but it would at least make it somewhat palatable
Somebody on the PSF board (is that you, SD?) posted that Dreger said that was the trade proposal BEFORE the offer sheet was signed.
This is the only board I post on...and occasionally on the EMB. I lurk on flyersphans and the hfboards.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 23, 2012, 05:50:33 PM
why the farg would he want to play in front of breezy for the next 8 years
Therein lies the problem.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 23, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
Somebody on the PSF board (is that you, SD?) posted that Dreger said that was the trade proposal BEFORE the offer sheet was signed.
It would have to be. If the Predators don't match, Weber becomes a Flyer. If they match, they aren't allowed to trade him for a year. There's no trading happening at this point.
The Preds would be foolish to match the offer. It locks up all their finances in a star who doesn't want to be there, on a team that needs a number of additional pieces to compete for a Cup with the loss of Suter. They might sign him to send positive signals about their cashflow, refusal to be bullied, and caring about their fans or some shtein, but hockey-wise it's dumb. They should bow to reality and let the Flyers take Weber.
The Flyers could trade anything to the Preds to prevent them from matching the offer. That's the point. If Nashville passes they get 4 #1's. I doubt Homer is going to give up more than that and I seriously doubt he'd give up any of the core players now.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 23, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 23, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
Somebody on the PSF board (is that you, SD?) posted that Dreger said that was the trade proposal BEFORE the offer sheet was signed.
It would have to be. If the Predators don't match, Weber becomes a Flyer. If they match, they aren't allowed to trade him for a year. There's no trading happening at this point.
Nash could make a deal with the Flyers where they don't match, accept the 4 1sts, then ship the 1sts back to the Flyers for Mez/Read/other picks etc. That's what's being discussed. Of course they could always take those picks and shop them around the league as well. They may not be able to get a Shea Weber back but they could add some decent players with that many picks.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 23, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 23, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
Somebody on the PSF board (is that you, SD?) posted that Dreger said that was the trade proposal BEFORE the offer sheet was signed.
It would have to be. If the Predators don't match, Weber becomes a Flyer. If they match, they aren't allowed to trade him for a year. There's no trading happening at this point.
The Preds would be foolish to match the offer. It locks up all their finances in a star who doesn't want to be there, on a team that needs a number of additional pieces to compete for a Cup with the loss of Suter. They might sign him to send positive signals about their cashflow, refusal to be bullied, and caring about their fans or some shtein, but hockey-wise it's dumb. They should bow to reality and let the Flyers take Weber.
As said a little later, I mean a "trade" that would technically be for the draft picks after Nashville refuses to match. In reality, it's still indirectly a trade for Weber.
FWIW, Dreger said on TSN that he "doesn't believe Nashville can match."
Here's the clip (http://www2.tsn.ca/window/podcastcentre/#podcastid=11655&id=1) - it's at the 9:20 mark.
Oh I get it. It seems like if Nashville is saying they'll match without such a trade, 1) it's a total bluff and the Flyers can probably get away with either rejecting or or (more probably) using it to dump some salary in exchange for the future picks and 2) it's basically a face-saving gesture by making the Flyers give up something immediately tangible to the Nashville fanbase for Weber. Seems fine to me, the Flyers are in the driver's seat either way.
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 23, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 23, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
Somebody on the PSF board (is that you, SD?) posted that Dreger said that was the trade proposal BEFORE the offer sheet was signed.
It locks up all their finances in a star who doesn't want to be there
has he actually said he doesnt wanna be there?
because if thats true then hes a lock to the flyers
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2012, 07:36:06 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 23, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on July 23, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
Somebody on the PSF board (is that you, SD?) posted that Dreger said that was the trade proposal BEFORE the offer sheet was signed.
It locks up all their finances in a star who doesn't want to be there
has he actually said he doesnt wanna be there?
because if thats true then hes a lock to the flyers
What he said was after they made no offer to Suter, he felt that they were not going to do what was necessary to get them to a Cup Final. Essentially, spending money. His agent said as much as well, Shea came to philly two weeks ago, got the full tour and no one knew. He loved the city, loved the Org, and the history(blah blah blah). In the end, he wants a shot at a cup, and philly can and will spend $ to ensure they're putting the best they can out on the ice, minus wasting millions on Bryz
QuoteMeanwhile, Wednesday's deadline is fast approaching for the Nashville Predators to decide whether or not to match Philadephia's 14-year, $110 million dollar offer sheet for Shea Weber.
Nashville ownership is expected to meet again on Tuesday to determine what's best for the organization, however, many around the NHL don't believes the Preds will match and may instead use the compensatory draft picks as trade bait for roster players.
A very speculative view, given how guarded Nashville has been throughout the process.
-DarrenDreger
on the opposite spectrum, John Shannon from CBC Sportsnet says that the Preds agreed to match, unless Philadelphia comes up with a great trade package.
So on that front, what do you do if you're Holmgren. Stand your ground, and let Nashville feel the pain? Sweeten the pot?
don't offer a thing. i don't think they have the balls to match
That what I just cant get a feeling for why they would match. If they do, they're essentially going to operate the next season in a loss. If its a lockout, they're taking a huge hit. So then they decide to trade him the next season, and Weber becomes Rick Nash2.0
why would nashville ever match the offer then trade him next summer....that makes no sense to me because of all the upfront money....you either match and keep him long term or you try and work out the best possible deal now...whether that be for a package of players or just take the four number ones
Reports are starting to surface that Nashville has matched the offer
QuoteNashville, Tenn. (July 24, 2012) – In the most important hockey transaction in franchise history, Nashville Predators Chairman Tom Cigarran, President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile and CEO Jeff Cogen announced today that the team has matched the 14-year, $110 million offer sheet between the Philadelphia Flyers and defenseman
http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=638547&navid=DL|NSH|home
im honestly surprised, well they just killed their team for the next decade.
if you go to their homepage, they misspelled Smashville. IDIOTS http://predators.nhl.com/index.html SMASVILLE STRONG. I'm just hoping they got hacked.
Once NHL got the link they got it fixed. Ah well. The NHL is a perfect place now.
I'll wait for IGY to comment before sharing an opinion.
good for them
it really was a win win.....nashville deserved to have him and thats where he should be....but if the flyers would have gotten him that would have been great as well
lol at nashville deserving him.
does he deserve to play on a team made up of 75% minor leaguers because they can't afford anybody else?
in the next 14 years i bet nashville wins as many cups as the flyers....thats a long freakin time
maybe they move...maybe they sell to a gazillionaire....12 months from now is an eternity much less 14 years
the right thing happened today....even if you are a flyer fan and it doesnt feel like it at this moment
Now that you've opined, let me confirm that you're absolutely wrong and an abomination of a "fan."
YOU SHOULD WANT YOUR TEAM TO GET THE BEST PLAYERS. Not hard to figure out, dude.
Nashville DESERVES him.
Quote from: Rome on July 24, 2012, 04:14:49 PM
Nashville DESERVES him.
Agreed...their poor fans have gone 13 years without a cup
QuoteOwing $33M to 2 players over next 11 mos with 12 FAs next summer basically undoes the recent improvements in Preds' financials.
And this one from the guy who runs the sportsbook at Caesers:
QuoteI'm going to put the Predators deal for Shea Weber up there with the Twins signing of Joe Mauer as absolutely crippling long term moves
Celebrate Flyers fans... You just missed out on watching a top 3 defenseman play for your team for a decade, but hey, at least you can take solace in knowing the team from DIXIE DESERVED him more!
I take solace in the fact that Weber would have significantly underperformed and/or gotten injured anyway.
Quote from: FastFreddie on July 24, 2012, 06:54:33 PM
I take solace in the fact that Weber would have significantly underperformed and/or gotten injured anyway.
this is true as well....and 100% would have happened had he gone to the flyers
trust me today was the best for all concerned
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
trust me
There is nothing a person can say that angers me more than "trust me"
I'm sure there some other things a person can say that would anger you more.
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Trust me.
Nothing angers a person more on a message board than seeing those 4 little words.
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Quote from: Munson on July 25, 2012, 04:59:22 PM
I'm sure there some other things a person can say that would anger you more.
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Trust me.
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Quote from: DH on July 25, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 24, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
trust me
There is nothing a person can say that angers me more than "trust me"
at least when i say it you really can
Quote from: Rome on July 25, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
That is my background monitor picture at work.
Pretty cool, but if I'm DH, that disturbs me.
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Bazinga!
Voracek, 4/17M
Mazeros out indefinitely, he jason peters'd himself
No worries. Bruno Gervais!
Simmonds gets a 6 year extension:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/frequentflyers/Report-6-year-extension-for-Simmonds.html
Ginger gets a 6 year extension
http://t.co/IEsr8rMy
homer bogging down the team with middling players for significant money...basically assuring the team will be good but never great for the distant future
simmonds at least has potential for some growth i think.
hartnell is 30, has a career year and gets a 6 year deal with a NTC. farging madness
4.75 per isnt bad. The length of the contract is dangerous with a player like him and his history, but meh.
Also saw this. Flyers Ranked as #1 uniform in sports (http://www.nfl.com/photos/09000d5d82b2d292/09000d5d82b2d2eb) Odd NFL.com is hosting the article.
you guys do realize there is going to be a lockout, right?
I'm actively rooting for it.
I'm just glad we got Weber. God knows we deserved him.
Quote from: DH on August 21, 2012, 04:44:58 PM
I'm just glad we got Weber. God knows we deserved him.
he's the hero Philly needs, but not the one they deserve right now
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on August 21, 2012, 11:36:46 AM
4.75 per isnt bad. The length of the contract is dangerous with a player like him and his history, but meh.
Also saw this. Flyers Ranked as #1 uniform in sports (http://www.nfl.com/photos/09000d5d82b2d292/09000d5d82b2d2eb) Odd NFL.com is hosting the article.
And the sixth year doesn't start until the next season - he's still playing on the last year of his old deal.
Also, it has a NMC. Holmgren gives them out like candy.
That said, looks like agents are up in arms that Hartnell agreed to that deal (article (http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/flyers-talk/Agents-baffled-by-Hartnells-extension?blockID=760167&feedID=695)). Thought he would get a lot more in FA (though I think that's a gamble). Overall I like Hartnell, but he'll be getting old for his style by the end of the contract.
Just saw someone tweet that the NHLPA and NHL have agreed to a CBA
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 10, 2012, 11:27:53 PM
Just saw someone tweet that the NHLPA and NHL have agreed to a CBA
Aaand it was a hoax....some agent was given bad info
there is going to be a lockout and outside of canada no one will care
I'm actively rooting for it
so theres officially a lockout
care line (will update)
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One less thing to stress out about. Leaving it all up to Fatty and Bynum & Co. to aid in blowing an artery.
Lindros got really old looking fast:
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you dont have hockey yet but you do have 79 year old ed snider getting married for the fourth time, this time to some 40 year old. congrats!
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2012/12/10/3752628/ilya-bryzgalov-space-cosmonaut-astronaut