so going into the seahawks game the birds stood 9th...normally it would be best to look at any teams within one game of them but its way to bunched up to do that...probably best to follow the 3 and 4 win teams at this point...
week 13
3-8 jacksonville vs. 4-7 san diego - win win game but still gotta root for jacksonville
3-8 carolina at 4 -7 tampa bay - another no lose game for the eagles but again root for the team with less wins
3-8 miami vs oakland - winnable game for the dolphins
4-8 eagles - lost to seattle
4-7 washington vs ny jets - skins stay with the eagles
4-7 arizona vs dallas - cobbsy is back; cards get waxed in a home game that wont have a home field adv.
4-7 kansas city at chicago - calololeb hanie; chiefs have a real shot
4-7 cleveland vs baltimore - why is this game at 4; cLeveLand
If the eagles get a top 10 pick they will either trade back or draft an undersized defensive lineman.
The only players that seem like top 10 caliber picks that the Eagles could use would be QB. This draft just doesn't seem that great.
Draft me Matt Barkley and fire the fat man and let's see where this franchise is in 5 years..
I would love to see matt barkley he actually gets rid of the ball quickly. I dont think there has been an eagles qb that could do that since i have watched them.
ty detmer got rid of it quickly it just took seven years to get there
with desean and asante gone i wouldn't mind getting honey badger in round one. grab some LBs with the 2 2s.
im not sure exactly what id do to get him but i would do some serious self degrading shtein to get vontaze burfict....hes by far my number one want...PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN JESUS
glad im not the only one that thinks he's gonna be better than luck
i dont think barkley is in lucks class its just that the eagles have no chance at luck
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2011, 09:51:47 AM
im not sure exactly what id do to get him but i would do some serious self degrading shtein to get vontaze burfict....hes by far my number one want...PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN JESUS
Yeah it would be great if they got him.
Ias far as Detmer goes you are right.....should have been more specific.
I would LOVE to see the Eagles get Barkley. If I'm not mistaken, heading into week 13, the Eagles were drafting at #9 and only 2 teams ahead of them could legitimately be seen drafting a qb...Indy at 1 and Cleveland at I believe 7 or 8. So it's not completely inconcievable that the Eagles aren't in position by the end of the year to take Barkley assuming he comes out. Gotta root for Cleveland to win a few more though because if they have a chance to get Barkley, I don't think they can pass him up.
He already filed his papers.
barkley is not falling to nine...someone will trade up for him before that happens...taterskins for example...if they arent already picking higher than nine
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 02, 2011, 10:05:13 AM
If I'm not mistaken, heading into week 13, the Eagles were drafting at #9 and only 2 teams ahead of them could legitimately be seen drafting a qb...Indy at 1 and Cleveland at I believe 7 or 8.
skins, dolphins, chiefs, seahawks
i wish barkley was a little taller and a lot of times when i watch him i see jimmy claussen but yeah with all the teams that need a qb someone is gonna grab him high....and id def take a chance on him...but gimme burfict all day long
i like burfict too but he's not a top ten guy. top ten in the second round i'd say fo sho.
i actually think this is a good year for LBs in the late first and second rounds.
burfict is a top five talent...just a question of how far his attitude issues drop him down...hes easily the best linebacker in the draft and the best to come out in a bunch of years...no chance he falls to the second unless he does some really dumb stuff in the offseason leading up to the draft like give terrible interviews or something
if he falls past the top 15 id be somewhat suprised
i will say i saw arizona state play probably four times this year and i think in those four games he got five unsportsmanlike penalties...but god almighty the guy is from another planet...hes a bigger faster ray lewis
I like Burfict but lbs always fall....would u consider him a better prospect than Willis?
definitely
unless he falls to the 5th round he won't even be on the eagles' board.
yeah linebacker plus potential character issues = no chance
Have you watched Burfict this year? He's scared of being penalized on every play and pretty much quit on his team, leading to a zesty defense that got Erickson fired. It's absolutely possible he'll fall to the 2nd. There's no chance he's a top 15 anymore. Brian Kuechly from BC, Te'o from Notre Dame and Hightower from Bama are all ahead of him right now
As for the Eagles and the top 10 pick, they're in a bad spot right now and I could definitely see them trading out. If they plan to keep Herremans at RT, they won't need Matt Kalil or Jonathan Martin (who are LTs anyway). The two stud WRs (Blackmon and Jeffery) will be taken by the Rams and Vikings. They don't need Trent Richardson. The only DL expected to go in the top 20 is Quinton Coples from UNC and DE isn't really a need (plus every early DE they've drafted has been a bust). Zach Brown (UNC OLB) is a stud but we know the Eagles aren't taking a LB in the 1st. That leaves one of the SEC CBs (Dre Kirkpatrick or Morris Claiborne), who should go in the 8-15 range, or a QB like RG3 or Landry Jones that's gonna want a $30M SB to sit behind Vick for 3 years.
Figures they'll have 3 picks in the top 40 in what's expected to be a weak draft after the top 5...
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 02, 2011, 12:26:11 PM
Have you watched Burfict this year?
i know you havent
hes a monster and was in every game i watched...i never said he wouldnt drop i said id be suprised if someone didnt take him in the top 15...hes that good...and he aint going in the second round...unless he has a terrible offseason
more game watching easy and less copy and pasting on message boards
Whenever they've been on TV here (which isn't much), I've watched a bit because I was interested in him too. He was a lot more impressive last year...
oh and since I'm obviously wrong, read this
Danny White says Burfict is a pain in the ass and got Erickson fired (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/2011/11/30/20111130asu-football-vontaze-burfict-danny-white.html)
so the best player on the team who played on a defense with a bunch of stiffs got a coach fired...im sure a college AD would make an entire regime change because of a player who wont even be on the team next year
erickson got fired because he was terrible there and surrounded stud burfict with a bunch of terrible players
sb definitely isnt solid citizen brandon graham but either was ray lewis or warren sapp or jpp
his talent far outweighs his negatives and id easily take him in the top ten and hope he is just young and dumb right now and will mature
thats all true but there's still zero chance of him being high on the eagles list.
i'm starting the eagles honey badger bandwagon now.
Is there another Matthews brother that the eagles can use that top ten pick on...
Quote from: Hawk on December 02, 2011, 01:03:38 PM
Is there another Matthews brother that the eagles can use one of their four 5th rounders on...
I can't even get excited for this top ten pick. Howie is despicable as a gm. What was a worse move... Putting an oline coach at dc or putting a contract lawyer as gm...
Quote from: phattymatty on December 02, 2011, 12:59:30 PM
thats all true but there's still zero chance of him being high on the eagles list.
Moment of clarity provided by my drunkass Irish brotha...
And by the way, wayyyyy too soon for this thread (wink).
Quote from: Hawk on December 02, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
I can't even get excited for this top ten pick. Howie is despicable as a gm. What was a worse move... Putting an oline coach at dc or putting a contract lawyer as gm...
gm is worse cause it effects three phases of your team...a bad dc only influences one side of the ball
1st rd - undersized 'fastball' for the Dline
2nd rd - secondary who cant tackle
3rd rd - a white LB
Quote from: BobbyT on December 02, 2011, 01:56:55 PM
1st rd - undersized 'fastball' for the Dline
2nd rd - secondary who cant tackle
3rd rd - a white LB
Rinse and repeat.
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 02, 2011, 12:36:46 PM
Whenever they've been on TV here (which isn't much), I've watched a bit because I was interested in him too. He was a lot more impressive last year...
oh and since I'm obviously wrong, read this
Danny White says Burfict is a pain in the ass and got Erickson fired (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/2011/11/30/20111130asu-football-vontaze-burfict-danny-white.html)
Saw a lot of him here on FOXSports West. Saw lots of flashes of greatness but he is a bad seed. Lots of ASU alumni in Hawaii and they all said the guy is 100% icehole.
Te'o on the other hand, eagle scout, good character and (drum roll please) MORMAN! So if Oliver Hardy is back don't be surprised. I don't give a shtein if he's a member of the Nazi Party. He's over 6 feet, he weighs more than 230 lbs and he's smart. Of course they'll take him and move him to DE.
Hypothetical situation but I'm bored and the Eagles aren't on today so here goes:
Indy gets the #1 pick but decides they want to hold onto Manning and trade Luck. What are you willing to give up for him? Assuming the Eagles get a top 10 pick the draft pick chart that Jimmy Johnson developed goes out the door. So would you give this seasons 1st and 2 2nd's, next seasons 1st and 2nd? Of course they'd have to find a taker for Vick which I'm not sure they could do because of his contract (although teams are desperate for QBs). Would you give up those picks for Luck or is that too much?
There are too many holes on the defense (and maybe at WR) to invest that much in Luck. Instead, I could see them using their pick on RG3 and having him sit for a year until Vick's time is up, then using the 2nd-rd picks on LB and a WR or DB
I think they draft Luck and keep Manning. The rookie wages under the new CBA are pennies on the dollar now and the #1 pick isn't as costly as it was under the old set up.
btw if all of the following happen today:
Miami over Oakland -- done
Carolina over Tampa Bay -- done
Houston over Atlanta -- could go either way
Washington over New York -- could go either way
Arizona over Dallas -- unlikely
....the Eagles will sit at #5
Wins by the Jaguars and Chiefs would help things down the line but don't really matter this week
Quote from: SD on December 04, 2011, 02:53:10 PM
Hypothetical situation but I'm bored and the Eagles aren't on today so here goes:
Indy gets the #1 pick but decides they want to hold onto Manning and trade Luck. What are you willing to give up for him? Assuming the Eagles get a top 10 pick the draft pick chart that Jimmy Johnson developed goes out the door. So would you give this seasons 1st and 2 2nd's, next seasons 1st and 2nd? Of course they'd have to find a taker for Vick which I'm not sure they could do because of his contract (although teams are desperate for QBs). Would you give up those picks for Luck or is that too much?
no one is trading luck...especially a team with a 35 year old qb whos had three neck surgeries in the last year...but lets say it could happen...id easily give all that and more....for starters the eagles have the worst gm in the history of football so who cares about giving up picks...secondly the nfl more than any other sport is a league where you can be 1-15 one year and make the playoffs the next year.....so you def go out and get a franchise qb for the next 15 years and not worry about draft picks that will more than likely fail anyway
Quote from: SD on December 04, 2011, 02:53:10 PM
Hypothetical situation but I'm bored and the Eagles aren't on today so here goes:
Indy gets the #1 pick but decides they want to hold onto Manning and trade Luck. What are you willing to give up for him? Assuming the Eagles get a top 10 pick the draft pick chart that Jimmy Johnson developed goes out the door. So would you give this seasons 1st and 2 2nd's, next seasons 1st and 2nd? Of course they'd have to find a taker for Vick which I'm not sure they could do because of his contract (although teams are desperate for QBs). Would you give up those picks for Luck or is that too much?
You might be able to find a taker for Vick if a team is also looking to sell tickets, if they do get a new coach that usually means a new QB.
i dont think you need to necessarily trade vick....you have to keep him in 2012 because his dead money hit is astronomical if you let him go now...but its much more manageable in 2013....so if they cant trade him then if you were to theoretically draft a qb this year you let the new guy sit for a year or a half season then in 2013 you dump vick and go with the future
luckily its the nfl where contracts dont mean a whole lot but man was vicks stupid....it doesnt get as much run and its certainly not as bad a move as hiring juanny but its not way behind that...and certainly should be a big factor in deciding andys future
Yup
Quote from: phattymatty on December 02, 2011, 12:59:59 PM
i'm starting the eagles honey badger bandwagon now.
After what I saw in the second half yesterday, I'm all in. Hell, I'd be happy with one of their scout team players.
Quote from: Hawk on December 02, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
I can't even get excited for this top ten pick. Howie is despicable as a gm. What was a worse move... Putting an oline coach at dc or putting a contract lawyer as gm...
Yes sir. As long as ding and dong are around expect the expected. Another weak & unproductive slew of picks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2011, 04:26:22 PM
i dont think you need to necessarily trade vick....you have to keep him in 2012 because his dead money hit is astronomical if you let him go now...but its much more manageable in 2013
Actually, if the Eagles drafted a qb in the 1st round, say in pick 5-10 and traded Vick, it wouldn't create that much dead money and they would save several million a year overall which = banner boner.
if they trade vick of course there is zero dead money....i was talking about a scenario where they cant trade vick and if thats the case you have to hold on to him until feb/mar 2013
There would still be a few million dead money from his signing bonus, but his contract actually becomes less tradeable after 2012.
sitting at #6 right now
NO + JAX wins = #5 pick
DET + JAX wins = coin flip w/ JAX for #5
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 04, 2011, 10:25:05 PM
There would still be a few million dead money from his signing bonus, but his contract actually becomes less tradeable after 2012.
18 mil dead money if cut now
7 mil in 2013
2 mil in 2014
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 04, 2011, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on December 04, 2011, 10:25:05 PM
There would still be a few million dead money from his signing bonus, but his contract actually becomes less tradeable after 2012.
18 mil dead money if cut now
7 mil in 2013
2 mil in 2014
The $18 million is if he were cut now, but we were talking if he was traded. Usually guaranteed money is accelerated into to the current year and picked up by a team trading the player, but in this case Vick's
base salary is guaranteed in 2012. Since it's base salary, it would travel with the player to the new team. The signing bonus however ($1.4 million per year over 4 remaining years = 5.6 million = "a few million") would accelerate into the Eagle's current year cap though.
I said his contract becomes less tradeable after that because his base salaries then go up to $17 million to $20 million a year after that.
i know what you are saying but base salaries are pretty meaningless in football...in the sense that if you want him for your team whether because you think hes good or because you think he will sell tickets and merch it doesnt matter what his base is...you are gonna take him....
base salary is almost irrelevant in the nfl because how valuable you think the player is to your team trumps whatever his base salary is since you can cut anyone at anytime
let be honest nfl contracts in general are bogus but the only thing that means anything is dead money
So say they do let DeSean walk, and end up picking in the 8-12 range...do they go WR?
Unlikely. Blackmon and Jeffery will likely go top 5, then the next one (Michael Floyd) may not go until the 15-20 range
Well then, hopefully they get pick #5 ED
get on the RG3 bandwagon
I'm not anti-Vick yet. I think he's proven he's somewhere between awful Atlanta-Vick and Super Human Vick that we saw the first few games last year. He's a guy that can tear up a defense when he gets time to throw (Dallas game this year). Worth 100 mil? prob not, but there are a ton of guys like that in the league who are considered good starters. And those guys don't have the threat with their legs that Vick has.
That being said, if they drafted RG3 I certainly won't be upset about it.
Well they gotta have someone with a future behind Vick sooner than later. It ain't Young and it ain't motherfarging Kafka.
I agree that Vick has played well when he has had time. Problem is he sometimes creates the pressure by holding onto the ball.
Bottom line he can't stay healthy.....how long until one of his injuries is catastrophic?
They might as well draft a RGIII or Barkley if they get the chance.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on December 05, 2011, 11:35:13 PM
.....how long until one of his injuries is catastrophic?
It's a minor miracle it hasn't happened this year. He'll never play a complete season so it may just be time to prepare for life after Vick.
Vick's biggest problem is a highly inconsistent and porous OLine. If he had a very good line he could be borderline top 5. With a bad line it doesn't matter who they put back there. Manning wouldn't walk again.
the line has actually been fine this year in pass protect....not great but certainly not terrible and not bad enough to put any of the blame on them...in fact the line was much worse last year when vick was playing his best football
coordinators have caught up to him and he isnt intellectualy sound enough at the qb position to adjust himself...his strength is certainly not reading defenses and making quick decisions thats for sure
hes just not a very good nfl quarterback and never will be...exciting sure...amazing arm...check....fun to watch yes sir...gonna lead your team anywhere....probably not
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2011, 07:28:36 AM
the line has actually been fine this year in pass protect....not great but certainly not terrible and not bad enough to put any of the blame on them...in fact the line was much worse last year when vick was playing his best football
coordinators have caught up to him and he isnt intellectualy sound enough at the qb position to adjust himself...his strength is certainly not reading defenses and making quick decisions thats for sure
hes just not a very good nfl quarterback and never will be...exciting sure...amazing arm...check....fun to watch yes sir...gonna lead your team anywhere....probably not
Agree with every word of this.
I think Vick actually plays better when the O-line is playing bad, he's forced not to overthink what he's doing and he gets to use his athletic ability to make plays.
The line has been fine this year?
Hahaha... Wow.
pass protect has been fine
i think only three teams have given up less sacks
you are thinking last year when it was a jailbreak on almost every drop back
Quote from: Rome on December 06, 2011, 08:52:43 AM
The line has been fine this year?
Hahaha... Wow.
See how many times Young got sacked? You can count on 1 hand.
Rather than move and shuffle his feet in the pocket (which sadly Young does better than Vick), Vick likes to run out or around causing a major breakdown in protection schemes.
The easiest way to say this is that a lot of teams have gotten much more efficient offensive production with offensive line play that is sub-par to that the Eagles usually get.
Look at tape on the Packers if you don't believe it.
It's pretty hard to judge oline play based on sacks when you have 2 of the most mobile and athletic QB's in the league playing behind it. I'd say the oline has been adequate in pass protection and it seems to have improved as the year has gone on, but there's probably a dozen sacks that the line has given up this year that Vick/Young were able to run out of that many other QB's wouldn't have.
im not basing it on sacks....im basing it on having watched the games...only reason i even brought up sacks is because romey was acting like i was insane and that the line has been a catastrphe of some sorts this year and when you are at or near the top of the fewest sacks given up list then you are at worst a solid line
also having a running qb can hurt your sack totals as much as it helps them because there are many plays they try and extend only to end up getting sacked...plus vicks inability to quickly make reads cancels out much of his mobility advantage
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 02, 2011, 07:57:33 AM
week 13
3-8 jacksonville vs. 4-7 san diego - win win game but still gotta root for jacksonville - bad
3-8 carolina at 4 -7 tampa bay - another no lose game for the eagles but again root for the team with less wins - good
3-8 miami vs oakland - winnable game for the dolphins - good
4-8 eagles - lost to seattle - good
4-7 washington vs ny jets - skins stay with the eagles - bad
4-7 arizona vs dallas - cobbsy is back; cards get waxed in a home game that wont have a home field adv. - great - altho it hurts the second round pick the eagles got in the cobb deal
4-7 kansas city at chicago - calololeb hanie; chiefs have a real shot - good
4-7 cleveland vs baltimore - why is this game at 4; cLeveLand - bad
not a favorable week schedule wise for the eagles to jump up but they do have a golden opportunity for a little movement via their head to head matchup
week 14 - birds would currently pick 6th
4-8 tampa bay at 3-9 jacksonville - win win but root root for jacksonville
4-8 taterskins vs new england - do you believe in miracles?
4-8 miami vs 4-8 eagles - needless to say a loss would do wonders here
4-8 carolina at atlanta - tough spot for carolina but cameron can do it
4-8 cleveland at pittsburgh - make that 4-9 cleveland
The line has been zesty all year long. If it weren't for Vick's superhuman ability to evade tackles and run the farg away from trouble he'd probably be dead.
if you are trying to convince me that you havent seen them play this year its working
but ill play along anyway and ask you why they gave up 50 sacks last year and are on pace for 28 this year
with the same superhuman qb they have gone from the 3rd most sacks allowed to the 3rd least
im curious as to why because it clearly isnt because the line has improved by leaps and bounds
dropped to #10
O lineman from Dickhead St. here we come!
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2011, 12:32:18 PM
4-8 tampa bay at 3-9 jacksonville - win win but root root for jacksonville - WIN
4-8 taterskins vs new england - do you believe in miracles? - NO
4-8 miami vs 4-8 eagles - needless to say a loss would do wonders here - disgraceful
4-8 carolina at atlanta - tough spot for carolina but cameron can do it - chokeron newton
4-8 cleveland at pittsburgh - make that 4-9 cleveland - yup
After 14 weeks:
1 = Colts
2 = Vikings
3 = Rams
4 = taterskins
5 = Panthers/Jaguars coin flip
6 = Panthers/Jaguars coin flip
7 = Dolphins
8 = Browns
9 = Buccaneers
10 = EAGLES
11 = Bills (if SEA wins) / BUF/SEA coin flip (if STL wins)
12 = Chiefs (if SEA wins) / BUF/SEA coin flip (if STL wins)
If the Eagles had lost today, they would've moved up to #5
#4, #5, #10 they're still going to farg it up.
#11 with 2 games left
#9 or #10 if they lose (depending on what happens with Detroit, Chicago and Atlanta)
#13 if they win
WIN
farg THE GIRLZ
Now have both DE's with double digit sacks.
When's the last time they've had two guys with double digit sacks? I don't think it happened while Hugh was here...Fuller and someone else?
Can't remember them having 2 guys on the front four with double digits since Reggie and Clyde.
Fuller and Harmon in '95
Meh
Yeah def hasn't been front 4 since then. I was thinking maybe Fuller and Willie T mighta done it, but I don't think he (Thomas) ever finished with 10 sacks. Mamula only got to 8 I think. Simon got 9.5 while Douglas was here his rookie year, but that might have been the year Hugh got hurt.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 24, 2011, 06:38:37 PM
Fuller and Harmon in '95
Hah, no shtein. Always forget about Andy Harmon
Watching a replay of the Lott Award ceremony tonight:
Emmanuel Acho Texas
Dont'a Hightower Alabama
Luke Kuechly Boston College - actual winner
Manti Te'o Notre Dame
All linebackers. I cried.
Since you guys care...
If all of the following happen, the Eagles get the #9 pick:
Eagles loss
Arizona over Seattle
Carolina over New Orleans
Kansas City over Denver
Buffalo over New England
If they beat Washington like most people expect, they can stay at #13 if all of the following happen:
Seattle over Arizona
San Diego over Oakland
Chicago over Minnesota
Tennessee over Houston
Dallas over NY Giants
Sitting at #15 right now. The worst they can pick is #16 if Dallas loses. The highest they can pick is #13 if the other 3 games go their way (Seattle, San Diego, Dallas)
In other words, who cares. Not matter what happens, they are in perfect position for Reid to trade up for a no talent ass clown with nice teeth.
#14 if the Cowboys win
#15 if the Giants win
Just the right spot for picking a zesty defensive lineman.
1 - #15
2 - #46, #51 (AZ)
3 - #77
4 - 4th (TB), 19th
5 - 18th
6 - 17th, TBD (DEN), TBD (NE)
7 - None (NE)
Basically 5 picks in the top 100. The TB 4th is #99 but there might be a 3rd-rd comp pick or two that makes it slide
Better odds to once again farg it up.
Picking right in the middle of every round is farging infuriating to watch. Which means that I won't.
Good thing for you the Eagles never trade up.
I sat next an Eagles scout on the plane a few weeks ago, who was down to see the HBCU All-Star game in Atlanta. I pretended to be asleep and took a peak at what he was writing on his laptop and was able to see at least one player they were interested in:
Dominique Ellis, S - SC State
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69766&draftyear=2012&genpos=CB (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69766&draftyear=2012&genpos=CB)
Quote from: Beermonkey on January 03, 2012, 11:36:15 AM
I sat next an Eagles scout on the plane a few weeks ago, who was down to see the HBCU All-Star game in Atlanta. I pretended to be asleep and took a peak at what he was writing on his laptop and was able to see at least one player they were interested in:
Dominique Ellis, S - SC State
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69766&draftyear=2012&genpos=CB (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69766&draftyear=2012&genpos=CB)
Nice job!
Next time just thump him upside the head (or get him inebriated) and download all files to a jump drive and post.
That is how Gaylord Focker got his info.
The what bowl? HBCU All-Star Bowl? I would have strangled the scout with the airplane headphones cord for just attending that game.
yeah why would you ever send a scout to like actually go and scout players
Based on some of their picks, I'd ask when instead of why.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2012, 07:41:13 PM
yeah why would you ever send a scout to like actually go and scout players
Scoutings been working out just fine for Banner Inc. so far.
so because howie sucks as a gm means they should just not scout players anymore?
The FO's biggest problem is that they try too hard to do the not obvious thing. Even though most pundits actually loved the Graham pick and many picked him to be defensive ROY, the Eagles were left with a gaping hole at safety. Both Graham and Allen ended up injured, but Earl Thomas would have filled the biggest need in the best way, and they passed.
Same with linebackers. Christ, would it kill them to draft one who could play from the get go?
just a quick fyi....
most pundits are complete morons
They would fit right in here at ConcreteField, then.
possibly the most accurate thing youve ever posted
With the exception of McNabb, Westbrook, Pimp, Shady and Maclin these boneheads have been reaching for years in the first three rounds. I'm sure there are other franchises that have had similar less than stellar results but all we care about is this FO and their track record sucks.
I forgot to mention Andrews. He had all the makings of dominating on the OL for years until the little voices showed up.
eagles will not replace grigson until AFTER the draft
hilarious
wait, what?? how does that make any sense at all?
in the end, its one less guy who andy will have telling him who pick - which is exactly what he needs.
the problem is less of everyone else means more howie...at least grigson was a football guy so if he had any influence to begin with at least his knowledge carried a football background with it
QuoteLesBowen
Howard Mudd on why he feels he shouldnt have to sit through Senior Bowl practice: "If somebody takes a @&$# they film it. I can watch that."
anyone who was involved with the past 4 drafts in any capacity should never be allowed in the war room again
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 24, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
QuoteLesBowen
Howard Mudd on why he feels he shouldnt have to sit through Senior Bowl practice: "If somebody takes a @&$# they film it. I can watch that."
This quote couldn't go any better with this name.
Didn't they draft DeSean, Maclin, and Shady within the last 4 drafts?
Unfortunately that's about all they drafted.
Howie Roseman is a goddamn genius.
The fireman made the all-rookie team. He might not be a bust.
Quote from: Rome on January 24, 2012, 08:55:34 PM
The fireman made the all-rookie team. He might not be a bust.
He played better as the year progressed but I need to see more from him. 1st round pick means he needs to be getting all pro consideration this coming season....2013 at the latest.
He's not a bust but he isn't a "draft success" either....not yet anyway.
Jerome Graham on the other hand. Bust.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 24, 2012, 08:55:15 PM
Howie Roseman is a goddamn genius.
He must have a goddamn IQ of 160!
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20120124_Roseman_still_looking_for_success_with_top_picks.html?ref=facebook.com
QuoteOf the 12 players the Eagles have chosen in the first four rounds of the last two drafts, 10 have started a total of 76 games if you include Alex Henery's 16 starts at kicker. Of the 12 players chosen in the last three rounds, five have started a total of 67 games.
LOL @ including kickers in any sort of "starting" role.
QuoteTop draft picks like defensive ends Brandon Graham and Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, and safety Jaiquawn Jarrett have been disappointments, while lower-round guys like linebackers Jamar Chaney and Brian Rolle and safety Kurt Coleman have been surprises.
how have those lower round guys, especially Kurt Coleman, been surprises? people thought he was going to be good?
I think he was insinuating that Coleman has actually been good, when he hasn't been.
The other two guys have been pretty good though, and would look nice next to real stud LB.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 24, 2012, 11:14:28 PM
QuoteTop draft picks like defensive ends Brandon Graham and Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, and safety Jaiquawn Jarrett have been disappointments, while lower-round guys like linebackers Jamar Chaney and Brian Rolle and safety Kurt Coleman have been surprises.
how have those lower round guys, especially Kurt Coleman, been surprises? people thought he was going to be good?
its always suprising when guys who suck end up starting...altho on the eagles 6th and 7th round starters shouldnt suprise anyone
more riley cooper, less desean jackson please
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Luke Test?
He's got a nice bubble, but I'm gonna have to see him shirtless to gauge any chest dents
He reminds me of Sean Lee without the injury history.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2012, 11:23:31 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 24, 2012, 11:14:28 PM
QuoteTop draft picks like defensive ends Brandon Graham and Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, and safety Jaiquawn Jarrett have been disappointments, while lower-round guys like linebackers Jamar Chaney and Brian Rolle and safety Kurt Coleman have been surprises.
how have those lower round guys, especially Kurt Coleman, been surprises? people thought he was going to be good?
its always suprising when guys who suck end up starting...altho on the eagles 6th and 7th round starters shouldnt suprise anyone
Not as much on this team, lower picks just suck less than the picks that were supposed to be good enough to start. Coleman played more or less by default.
Quote
Roseman was questioned about the Eagles' attitude toward difference-making linebackers. He agreed that the wide-nine defensive front might mean the Birds need to look at different qualities in linebacker draftees than they prioritized previously. "There are priority positions in the NFL. If you ask me, if there's a quarterback and a linebacker [who are impact players], we are going to take the quarterback over the linebacker, no question," Roseman said. "But by the same token, I've never been part of a draft where we've gone in and said, 'This linebacker's great! We're not going to take him!' Sometimes it hasn't worked that way. Sometimes it just so happened that the class of linebackers in the draft hasn't kind of met up to where we're picking, but we're open to really good players at every position."
from the fwiw category....
roob is on wip saying right now that they dont like kookly at all...but that perfect is definitely on their radar and in general he says they are def open to taking a LB in round one
Of course they don't like him. He was ultra-productive in college and is universally regarded as the best MLB prospect in the draft.
Smartest guys in the room.
they think hes soft according to roob....aka too white
imo this is great news that maybe they are reevaluating how they evaluate and are gonna go for talent now instead of cancer survivors with good character.....of course this could all be a smoke screen and kooks is the guy they really want
The funny thing is for once they'd be smart to take the high character guy but they'll over think it and take a tackle.
That's why the farging trophy case is still empty.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2012, 08:49:59 AM
they think hes soft according to roob....aka too white
imo this is great news that maybe they are reevaluating how they evaluate and are gonna go for talent now instead of cancer survivors with good character.....of course this could all be a smoke screen and kooks is the guy they really want
You know this is the deal. He's got "Eagles" written all over him in their eyes. "High motor", "highly productive", not a "great" athlete guy instead of the more athletic, potentially higher impact guy.
I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that if they go LB in the 1st that it's gonna be Keuchly instead of the guys I'd really like to see them get like Berfict or Zach Brown.
i suspect this is the case as well
i dont even hate kooks...i just want a playmaker...the best thing you can say about kooks is that he wraps up like no one else......sweet!
imo his ceiling is a 100+ tackle a year guy who doesnt really impact the game...and dont get me wrong theres nothing wrong with that and i think you have a really good chance of getting that with him...but id rather take a chance on perfect and have him bust but at least have the hope that hes gonna be ray lewis
I don't care who they take as long as they take a legit LB i.e. Kuechly, Burfect, or Brown.
Burfict is not Ray Ray. Lewis had issues coming out of college but dogging it/poor work ethic wasn't one of them.
Unless he has the combine of all combines he won't get drafted until the second round at the earliest. I mean, it only takes one team, but still... too many character issues, he's undisciplined on and off the field... on and on it goes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 24, 2012, 10:13:19 AM
i suspect this is the case as well
i dont even hate kooks...i just want a playmaker...the best thing you can say about kooks is that he wraps up like no one else......sweet!
imo his ceiling is a 100+ tackle a year guy who doesnt really impact the game...and dont get me wrong theres nothing wrong with that and i think you have a really good chance of getting that with him...but id rather take a chance on perfect and have him bust but at least have the hope that hes gonna be ray lewis
Exactly. Between Keuchly, Berfict and Brown, he's probably the safest pick of the 3. But farg safe... I want a playmaker there, and I think Keuchly has the lowest ceiling in that aspect. Whenever I picture Keuchly in the pros, I just picture a guy giving hella effort, but just getting swallowed up by o-linemen and not being able to get off blocks consistently enough to make any real plays. They have a roster full of guys like that already.
Quote from: Feva on February 25, 2012, 12:47:45 AM
Whenever I picture Keuchly in the pros, I just picture a guy giving hella effort, but just getting swallowed up by o-linemen and not being able to get off blocks consistently enough to make any real plays. They have a roster full of guys like that already.
listen to this guy people
Agreed.
Zach Brown or Dont'a Hightower, please. Not some goddamn Matt McCoy clone.
They haven't even selected yet and I'm already pissed.
They aren't taking a LB in the first, they'll either select a Safety or D-lineman even though it's a weak draft for these positions [they don't give a farg]. What I hope they do is sign a veteran MLB like Stephen Tulloch [they have the cap space and he knows the wide 9] then draft another LB with one of their first 3 picks then maybe pick a high risk/high reward LB later in the draft.
As for their current LBs I thought Matthews played well late in the season, not saying he's the answer as a starter, but I think he can give the team some good snaps on D. Rolle is a perfect fit as a nickle LB on 3rd downs and Chaney is adequate. The wide 9 really hinges on the MLB because the rest of the D-line is spread out so much. If the MLB is taken out of the picture the rest of the LBs will suffer making up his ground. That's why it's vital to fill that position first then address the outside spots later.
Even though he's up there in age I'd still kick the tires on a guy like London Fletcher. He's a leader and still one of the most underrated MLB in the league. He'd be a great pickup for a year. The f/a LB crop is fairly deep with guys like Lofton from Atlanta and D'Qwell Jackson from Cleveland, so upgrading LB shouldn't be an excuse for Howie considering their needs.
Comparing Kuechly to Matt McCoy?
Awesome.
London Fletcher would be a great acquisition, guy brings it every game/play but I'd like to see a long term solution.
Holy shtein does this not sum it all up or what? DE Vinny Curry from Marshall:
QuoteVinny Curry is the picture of what the Eagles look for in a defensive end. He isn't very big or fast but he is a hard worker and has been a solid performer in college. He also was one of the most talked-about players during Senior Bowl week.
Curry is a good player who is just as unlikely to be a bust as he is unlikely to be a star
If you have an Eagles credit card, you can enter a sweepstakes to win the chance to make the live announcement of the Eagles 4th round pick.
Which one? If I'm not mistaken, the Eagles have two fourth round picks this year.
Does it matter? They'll both suck and they'll both be starting for the next 4 years.
Of course it matters. Why would I want to announce a pick that originated in Tampa?
Because Tampa is from Florida and oranges come from Florida and you can buy oranges at the grocery store, which is probably on your list of errands to run on draft day.
Draft day? Isn't it spread over like four days now?
Burfect just ran a 4.93
And Stupar ran a 4.75. When a white LB from the Big 10 runs faster than you, welcome to day two
And he followed up his first bad run with a 5.10, Meanwhile Baker from UNC ran a 4.44
I think you mean Brown and Kuechly ran a 4.5. Burfect may see his stock fall to day 3.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 27, 2012, 01:42:02 PM
Draft day? Isn't it spread over like four days now?
Aren't your errands spread over 7?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 27, 2012, 02:33:25 PM
I think you mean Brown and Kuechly ran a 4.5. Burfect may see his stock fall to day 3.
shtein yeah, Kuechly had to run a third because the 4.50 he ran had the scouts drooling.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 27, 2012, 02:33:25 PM
I think you mean Brown and Kuechly ran a 4.5. Burfect may see his stock fall to day 3.
Brown ran a 4.45 and he stumbled at about 25 yds. Ran a 4.44 the second time.
Burfict might have entered street free agent territory with that 40 time. I mean, Jesus... when offensive linemen are out-running you, yikes.
Who the hell cares about 40 times? His name is Burfict for punning.
perfect is the kind of guy the ravens will draft and be a beast
Everything about the dude has been a disaster. He had a good season two years ago, but his last was average, and all the athletic ability people have professed he has evaporated today. Add to that terrible interviews, and questionable character, he'll be luckly to get drafted by anyone. IGY - sell me. What are the good points?
beast like talent
there was never a chance the eagles would take him anyway so no need to worry
like i said expect the ravens or steelers to now steal him later in the draft and get production out of him....but even if he ends up not even in the league a year from now you have to respect any team that will take a chance on talent...whereas the eagles will continue going with the kurt colemans brian rolles and brandon grahams of the world
Not coming at you - I don't watch a lot of college ball, but what I did see this past season wasn't all that special. The talent didn't show up in any athletic measurement.....am I missing something?
No chance a team like the Steelers draft him, the Ravens might. That would be an ideal situation for him, he would have someone like Ray Ray to keep him in check.
I was a huge Burfect fan, but at this point with his interview and his lack of accountability he has bust written all over him.
As long as they draft a DT or LB in the first round I will be happy.
Draft Zach Brown and sign Stephen Tulloch.
I want them to sell out for RGIII
F linebackers, we'll never have good lbs under Reid.
He can coach a QB though and Griffin is worth almost any price imo.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2012, 07:59:46 PM
Draft Zach Brown and sign Stephen Tulloch.
No way they they add that much to the LB corps.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 27, 2012, 12:57:27 PM
If you have an Eagles credit card, you can enter a sweepstakes to win the chance to make the live announcement of the Eagles 4th round pick.
Hell I'll make the announcement right now... it's some white or half-Asian Mormon who will be out of the league in two years.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2012, 06:18:29 PM
perfect is the kind of guy the ravens will draft and be a beast
Either that or the kind of guy the Ravens will draft and get drunk and fall down the stairs.
And then while recovering, get a DWI.
Quote from: QB Eagles on February 27, 2012, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 27, 2012, 06:18:29 PM
perfect is the kind of guy the ravens will draft and be a beast
Either that or the kind of guy the Ravens will draft and get drunk and fall down the stairs.
they all arent gonna work out but ill take ozzies track record over banner incs
in the end talent will always win the day
Quote from: Diomedes on February 27, 2012, 08:47:36 PM
I want them to sell out for RGIII
F linebackers, we'll never have good lbs under Reid.
He can coach a QB though and Griffin is worth almost any price imo.
id be down with this as well....they actually met with griffin this weekend...15 this year plus their two second rounders plus next years one
might get it done
I'd love to have RG3, but I'm not giving up 2 1st and 2 2nds, that's just ridiculous.
Pretty sure the Eagles are just doing their due dilligence in regards to talking to different prospects. They rarely draft a player they actually interview as it is.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 27, 2012, 08:47:36 PM
I want them to sell out for RGIII
F linebackers, we'll never have good lbs under Reid.
He can coach a QB though and Griffin is worth almost any price imo.
I agree with this. I mean, I already posted it, so of course I do, but still... well said.
Quote from: SD on February 28, 2012, 07:39:28 AM
I'd love to have RG3, but I'm not giving up 2 1st and 2 2nds, that's just ridiculous.
Pretty sure the Eagles are just doing their due dilligence in regards to talking to different prospects. They rarely draft a player they actually interview as it is.
you would only not do it if you dont think rgIII is that good...if you believe he can be a top 3 qb in the league then its a no brainer...because in three years if hes that good no one will even remember the picks they gave up and even if they do they wont care
i would literally give up this entire draft and next years one for luck
Quote from: SD on February 28, 2012, 07:39:28 AM
I'd love to have RG3, but I'm not giving up 2 1st and 2 2nds, that's just ridiculous.
Pretty sure the Eagles are just doing their due dilligence in regards to talking to different prospects. They rarely draft a player they actually interview as it is.
the way they draft in the 2nd round i wouldn't be too attached to those picks, especially for a guy you are projecting to be your qb for the next 10 years.
you also really arent giving up two 1's...you are giving up next years one...this years one would be rgIII
One of the rumors would be Pimp, the first and a second for the #2 pick. I don't think that gets it's done. The idea then would be they ship Vick this year or next to a QB needy team. I say what they hell - they'll blow those mid 1st round picks on the Brandon Grahams of the world anyway.
you really cant put a price on a franchise qb...if you can get one you do it regardless of price (and within reason of course)...eveything else will work itself out
Absolutely. I'd be okay with Pimp going, Maclin is obviously the better all-around receiver anyway.
yeah, no
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dammit
ha
Jackson isn't the only player who might be included in a trade for the second pick. Asante could be added to a trade package as well.
assante isnt worth much....you could maybe move him for a linebacker....but he wouldnt really have a place in a package for the second pick
He's worth a 2nd round pick, isn't he? Or at least a 3rd. In the fantasy scenario by which the Eagles trade up to get RGIII, they'll have to throw a player in with the picks, because their picks alone won't do it. Unless of course they give up next year's pick, too. But anyway, my point is that Samuel could be used to sweeten a deal. And St. Louis could use him immediately.
edit: Did I say Cleveland? I meant St. Louis
id say hes worth a 4th maybe a 3rd.....definitely not a second
the problem imo with assante in a deal for the #2 pick is hes not valuable enough to the other team to significantly sway the deal and hes to valuable to the eagles for them to use him as a "throw in" piece
i don't think he's worth anything. he has a big cap number and teams know that he doesn't fit what they want to do on defense and he is the odd man out. i think if they get anything it would be a win. i think they end up cutting him
he is a pain in the ass in the locker room, no question about that.
i think you could get a mid round pick for him from a team that is or believes it is a contender and wants to either take that next step or win it all this year and needs secondary help
detroit being in the first group and pittsburgh new england or even baltimore in that second group
While I don't believe it'll be close to reality, I'd be all for a trade up to #2 that included Jackson. I know people are questioning Asante's value, but I don't think Jackson's perceived value is a slam dunk, either. Sure, he has quite a bit more than Asante. But...I mean, he didn't exactly light it up on or off the field last year and he's going to want big money. But if they could pull something like that off, I'd be thrilled.
A lot of that has to do with a lack of confidence in whatever else they'd do with those picks, anyway.
Anyone who is open to the idea of trading DeSean Jackson is obviously an MA whitle elder racist.
Also, bears shtein in the woods.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 28, 2012, 04:23:34 PM
Anyone who is open to the idea of trading DeSean Jackson is obviously an MA whitle elder racist.
not if you open to trading him to get a black franchise qb....but as we know according to MA the blacks arent smart enough to play the quarterback position
Eli Manning is black where it counts.
I'm down with getting RGIII for just about whatever the asking price is, but I don't see Reid rolling the dice with a first-year QB this year. Less than 8-8 and the pitchforks will descend on NovaCare.
Also the rest of the league would have to be retarded to allow it to happen.
But it'd be fun.
i wouldnt give up all that for rgIII...because i dont look at him as a sure thing like i do luck...im just saying if you are a team that believes hes going to be a top qb in the nfl then it would be hard to find a price that is to high
also trading for rgIII wouldnt have to have a negative impact on the team this year....vick could still start until the team is out of it and then rgIII takes over and vick is gone after this year as hes going to be even if they dont get a young franchise qb...if vick somehow has this team as a superbowl contender then you ride him until the end and start rgIII next year
What does it tell you if the Eagles don't address QB at all in this draft?
Given his contract, the level of his play, and the way he throws his body around at his size and age, I think it's fair to say Vick isn't the long term solution. Nor obviously is Kafka. Young was done when he uttered "dream team." Whatshisname from Buffalo isn't it.
If they don't do something at QB in this draft, what does that say about Reid's future?
I can't imagine the Eagles not taking a QB at some point, I don't think Reid thinks in terms of being on the "hot seat". He only goes by what he knows.
if things fall a certain way in the draft and they see someone they really like who they believe can be their future starter they will go after him...ala cobb...if they dont then they may take a later round guy who they feel can get in the mix and compete...
i agree with drunk in that i dont really see vicks or andys situation affecting how they go about the draft...
I guarantee they go after RGIII. He's Andy's best hope for continued employment plus his selection would take the win or gtfo pressure off everyone from Lurie on down.
no chance they go after a QB. maybe mid to late rounds but people are sleeping on the trent edwards signing. mostly because we all know it's garbage but he's your backup QB this year people, live with it.
The question is will he back up Vick or RGIII?
Quote from: phattymatty on February 29, 2012, 10:23:21 AM
no chance they go after a QB. maybe mid to late rounds but people are sleeping on the trent edwards signing. mostly because we all know it's garbage but he's your backup QB this year people, live with it.
No one would have thougt they would acquire Mike Vick when they already had Kolb and McNabb. And if I remember correctly wasn't AJ Feeley back at that time?
So now that the Eagles picked up Ryans what do the Eagles draft at 15? BTW I never thought they would take a LB at that spot anyway.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 20, 2012, 08:39:12 PM
So now that the Eagles picked up Ryans what do the Eagles draft at 15? BTW I never thought they would take a LB at that spot anyway.
I'm guessing a DT. Patterson and Jenkins are getting old.
Mark Barron
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2012, 08:49:07 PM
Mark Barron
I wouldn't take him at 15 but if he's around in the 2nd he'd be my pick. 3 years in a row they take a Safety in the 2nd? Hard to imagine.
Quote from: SD on March 20, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 20, 2012, 08:39:12 PM
So now that the Eagles picked up Ryans what do the Eagles draft at 15? BTW I never thought they would take a LB at that spot anyway.
I'm guessing a DT. Patterson and Jenkins are getting old.
Agreed... and there's 65 DT's they could take at 15 so it's impossible to guess who it'll be.
hard to say whos gonna actually be there at 15 so to get one of these guys a move up a few spots may be necessary but in order i want
1. po po (and its not really close...unless someone like coples unexpectedly drops down..of course he might not be there with the combine he had)
2. barron (safties are super weak this year...so if you go in that direction this has to be the guy...would be a nice physical compliment to soft and rangy nate allen)
3. melvin ingram (reminds me of dwight freeney...could be a little taller but should be a good pass rusher in the nfl..some fresh young talent needs to be added to the DE mix)
deep down something inside tells me that they make a power move up to the four or five and take justin blackmon
I would have bought taht had they not signed DeSean long term...but we all know they like Maclin and now Jackson's here long term, i can't see them trading up for a WR
As of now I would love to see Poe but I can't really see that happening.
Ingram might be there but he is hard to project at the next level is he a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 rush LB.
I think 15 is way too high for Barron.
i think ingram can play in either system
as for barron its not to high at all if you think he can play because hes not gonna be their in the second round and all the other safties are worthless...i can see dallas taking him at 14 and id be surprised if he made it past the jets at 16
I wouldn't be totally opposed to him being taken at 15......I just think it is a little too early.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 20, 2012, 09:30:35 PM
as for barron its not to high at all if you think he can play because hes not gonna be their in the second round and all the other safties are worthless...i can see dallas taking him at 14 and id be surprised if he made it past the jets at 16
This.
If you're worried that 15th pick is too early for him, you won't get him. If you like a player enough to draft him in the first round, you're not going to trade down and hope he's there, you take him. If you're going to obsess over proper "value", is an extra 3rd round pick worth trading down 5 spots? Considering the chance that 3rd rounder will be a worthless player, the chance that someone hops ahead of the Eagles, and then the Eagles get dick at safety and have to go with plan B? No.
Poe isn't falling out of the top 10 and Barron is probably a mid 20's pick. They have the ammunition to move up to pick both players. But since this is the Eagles they'll do something wacky like trade up for Tannehill then trade one of their second rounders for later picks.
Quote from: SD on March 20, 2012, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 20, 2012, 08:49:07 PM
Mark Barron
I wouldn't take him at 15 but if he's around in the 2nd he'd be my pick. 3 years in a row they take a Safety in the 2nd?
Quote from: SD on March 20, 2012, 10:31:49 PM
Barron is probably a mid 20's pick.
he moving up your board real quick...by draft day the eagles might have to trade up to get him
'If' he was around in the second he'd be my pick. I think he goes early to mid 20's. If I were running the draft I'd take the mid and late round selections, trade up for Poe, trade up for Barron, then take the BPA with the extra 2nd. I don't know what their fascination is with mid to late round picks, the 'we'll just draft a bunch of players and hope a few of them works out' mentality is dumb. Go for talent in the early rounds but give yourself enough leeway to still take players late. Stock piling 4ths and 5ths has gotten them shtein.
mid and late round picks arent getting you up in the first round like that
to go from 1-15 to lets say 1-8 would take your extra second
another thing id do if they can pull it off is trade assante and take kirkpatrick....i love that cat
Now that the market for corners is drying up they should be able to move Asante, I doubt they get much more than a 4th for him.
The Eagles like to take the old Jimmy Johnson approach, unfortunately they don't have his success with the draft.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2012, 08:16:45 AM
mid and late round picks arent getting you up in the first round like that
to go from 1-15 to lets say 1-8 would take your extra second
another thing id do if they can pull it off is trade assante and take kirkpatrick....i love that cat
Two 3rds moved the Eagles up I think 8-10 spots so they could take Graham. I think it's possible to move up without giving up the second. I actually wouldn't mind if they did ship their extra second off to move up for Poe since they'll probably just trade that pick to move back 47 times anyway.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 21, 2012, 08:56:07 AM
Now that the market for corners is drying up they should be able to move Asante, I doubt they get much more than a 4th for him.
yeah they arent gonna get shtein for him but i dont really care
Quote from: SD on March 21, 2012, 08:58:54 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2012, 08:16:45 AM
mid and late round picks arent getting you up in the first round like that
to go from 1-15 to lets say 1-8 would take your extra second
another thing id do if they can pull it off is trade assante and take kirkpatrick....i love that cat
Two 3rds moved the Eagles up I think 8-10 spots so they could take Graham. I think it's possible to move up without giving up the second. I actually wouldn't mind if they did ship their extra second off to move up for Poe since they'll probably just trade that pick to move back 47 times anyway.
a top ten pick is worth more than #13 tho...and the problem is after the two 2's this year they dont have any extra picks until the 6th round and those obviously arent garnering you anything...they have no extra mid round picks this year
id also def trade an extra two for po po...imo its right around 15 this year where the draft starts to quickly drop off...so its a year to trade up if the opportunity presents itself
Since draft picks will now be paid a lot less, I think you can throw out the draft chart.
if anything it will cost more now to move up...im not even talking draft chart tho....in this case you are talking about a top ten pick and i dont see anyway the eagles can move from lets say 15 to 8 without giving up a second
I think it is situation dependent, the RGIII trade cost a lot because of his position.
im saying in general since money isnt an issue anymore its gonna take a little more for teams to come off a high pick than it used to
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
im saying in general since money isnt an issue anymore its gonna take a little more for teams to come off a high pick than it used to
Agreed. Cap strapped teams used to almost fear top 5-10 picks because of how much they cost. Not really the case now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 21, 2012, 08:16:45 AM
mid and late round picks arent getting you up in the first round like that
to go from 1-15 to lets say 1-8 would take your extra second
another thing id do if they can pull it off is trade assante and take kirkpatrick....i love that cat
I have been reading that many teams are looking at Dre as a FS.
I read that Fletcher Cox was on a Fox show with Dorsey Levens who asked Cox if he had to name one, what team would he really like to play for. He said Philly because of the one gap attack scheme.
I'd be satisfied with that pick, though there is nothing likely to be there at 15 that thrills me. I'd like it if they traded down a few spots and still got Barron though (not that they would).
Also read rumors that Landri not likely to be back. Too bad, it true.
Cox could be their guy because he fits what they look for in a DT which is a smaller quick guy who can use his hands and shoot gaps. Don't know how I'd feel about him being the pick because I haven't seen enough of him. Seems like a meh pick though.
cox is also their kind of guy because hes versatile....they love to line up guys at different spots on the line depnding on the down and distance...cox to me looks like the perfect 34 end (i can easily see dallas taking him)...but in an eagles 43 defense i could see moving him all over the place...for example lining him up at end on some running downs and then at tackle on passing downs...not my favorite strategy as i like to have players be in a comfort zone where you can get the maximum out of them....be great at one thing...not good a few things
one thing i love about cox is that people say he has a ton of room to grow....hes only 21...kind of the opposite of the fireman where your pick would be working with a high ceiling
I would rather see a large body guy if they take a DT. When the "wide 9" is most effective there is typically a large space-eater at one of the tackle spots.
They did retrain Dixon. Though he won't be a starter he could be rotate in there on run downs.
Yeah but he is only on a one year deal and coming off an injury. Personally I would love to see Brockers or Poe, both have high ceilings.
dixon also isnt very good....hes another classic case of eagle fans overrating a guy because they may have came out of nowhere and exceeded the lowest of expectations and/or they were one of the better players at a pathetically weak position
Dixon is fine for depth, he looked like shtein at camp last season and was obviously injured. I don't mind him as a 3rd/4th DT in a rotation. I'd like to have Landri back, he's great as a 3rd down guy.
Tannehill ran a 4.62 forty today.
Mark Barron ran twice once at 4.54 second at 4.7.
Quote from: SD on March 20, 2012, 10:31:49 PM
Poe isn't falling out of the top 10 and Barron is probably a mid 20's pick. They have the ammunition to move up to pick both players. But since this is the Eagles they'll do something wacky like trade up for Tannehill then trade one of their second rounders for later picks.
Apparently Tannehill IS holding a private workout for the Eagles...meaning they're somewhat interested. The wacky scenario I mentioned looks like a real possibility.
I wouldn't have a problem with Tannehill if they didn't have to give up a lot to get him.
My biggest concern with him is he only has 19 college starts. Qbs that have less than two years starting experience have a much higher propensity to be a bust.
Tannehill is gonna go top 10. If Cleveland doesn't take him at 4, then Miami will at 8. The Vikings have even talked about playing the Browns and Dolphins off of each other and making one of them trade up to 3 to ensure they get him. Bringing in Tannehill prob doesn't mean anything for the Eagles. Just due diligence if by some miracle, he was there for the taking. If they really want him, they'll have to beat out offers from those other teams... which will take at least both 2nds.
For a converted WR with 19 career starts.
I won't say there's no way in hell they're that stupid, because this is the Eagles we're talking about here... so I'll say I HOPE AND PRAY that they're not that stupid.
Don't know about him, but his fiance passes the look test:
(http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/lauren-ufer-hot.jpg)
Ohhh....a super skinny blond wearing a stupid hat. Such a rare breed. Look test FAIL.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on March 30, 2012, 11:39:46 AM
I wouldn't have a problem with Tannehill if they didn't have to give up a lot to get him.
My biggest concern with him is he only has 19 college starts. Qbs that have less than two years starting experience have a much higher propensity to be a bust.
my biggest concern is that he doesnt play defense
totally agree with feva...theres no chance they trade up for him...in fact i dont even think theyd take him if he somehow fell to them...unless he has some monumentally good workout...which is why they are doing it...due dilligence indeed
riley reiff here we go
Unless they trade up I doubt Reiff is there.
Crap. That one injury changes the complexion of a bunch of potential decisions. Better now than week 1, I guess.
They're not going to take a tackle, King Dunlap will be the guy at LT. It's the Andy way. He never drafts a position because of an injury.
"We're fine there, King has some experience at LT and we feel he can fill in nicely".
Quote from: SD on March 30, 2012, 01:28:05 PM
"We're fine there, King has some experience at LT and we feel he can fill in nicely".
You sounded so much like Andy... I almost want to punch you.
Quote from: Feva on March 30, 2012, 01:30:13 PM
Quote from: SD on March 30, 2012, 01:28:05 PM
"We're fine there, King has some experience at LT and we feel he can fill in nicely".
You sounded so much like Andy... I almost want to punch you.
HA! I too found myself uttering "farg You" out loud.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/145477645.html?cmpid=15585797
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 01, 2012, 10:38:46 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/145477645.html?cmpid=15585797
Ah yes, McNeese State. The same defensive powerhouse that gave us Bryan Smith.
Sounds like a real stick up guy, er ah I meant stand up guy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 01, 2012, 10:38:46 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/145477645.html?cmpid=15585797
QuoteJackson projects to have a third-round value.
Soooo...we trade down and take him in the first round thinking he's a steal?
Apparently Dontario Poe was at the Novacare Complex today with Jim Washburn. Washburn tried to avoid the reporters.
Once spotted he introduced Poe as Fletcher Cox :-D
such a nice luxury for the eagles this year in that a DT suits them perfectly and theres a plethora of them...no worries about someone not being there...they could take brockers po po or cox and i would be almost equally happy
Agree 100% I would be very happy with any of those guys.
Not sure I like Poe. Admittedly I haven't seen many Memphis games but I am always wary of workout warriors. Mayock has dropped him down on his rankings and I saw a few quotes from scouts that said he slacks quite a bit during games.
thats what they said about jpp
JPP was thought to be a project - a physical freak - but was projected as a boom or bust type. How many seasons of legit college ball did JPP play? 1? The knock on Poe is that he's played a lot of football - and he hasn't improved, or at least shown where his physical ability translates to an actual football game. Point is, you could turn on tape of JPP at FIU and watch him wreck the competition - based on purely athletic ability. Supposedly, you turn on tape of Poe and see nothing. I'm not an expert - never seen Poe play. I'm just pointing out the talk is not the same as it was with JPP.
they are similar in that they both are/were known for their talent not so much their production
a big knock on jpp was that he looked disinterested and took plays off
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
they are similar in that they both are/were known for their talent not so much their production
a big knock on jpp was that he looked disinterested and took plays off
JPP - made plays in college. Poe - did not make plays in college.
What was intriguing about JPP was you would see his talent flash on the field. Apparently, that isn't the case with Poe.
jpp was an athletic freak who wasnt expected to produce for a couple years was a project who seemed disinterested on tape
pop po is an athletic freak who isnt expected to produce for a couple years is a project who doesnt flash on tape
point is talent should trump all...and i wouldnt cross someone off my board who is that talented...which is what it sounded like j was saying
now if you wanna put him third out of cox and brockers i have no problem with that....i like brockers the best actually....but they all are right there
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2012, 01:26:47 PM
point is talent should trump all...and i wouldnt cross someone off my board who is that talented...which is what it sounded like j was saying
Agree. Poe's combine results will get him drafted. He did nothing at memphis that should give anyone a glimpse of what could be. JPP's physical ability got him draft where he went. He did plenty in college to give people a glimpse of what he could be though.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 05, 2012, 01:26:47 PM
now if you wanna put him third out of cox and brockers i have no problem with that....i like brockers the best actually....but they all are right there
Agreed. If I were to rank them in terms of my preference, it would be:
1. Brockers
2. Cox
2a. Poe
Although, I'd be pretty damn happy with any of them to tell you the truth. I like the production that Brockers/Cox bring from the SEC, but I love Poe's potential due to sheer athleticism.
Brockers is already a monster against the run, and if Washburn can get him to develop a pass rush, he'd be the shtein.
I remember the same things were said about Daryl Gardner when he was at Baylor and he ended up having a good pro career.
I agree with Igy in that it is better to take a guy that has crazy potential. I wouldn't do it all the time like he would but I think where the Eagles are right now it makes a ton of sense.
The more I read about Cox the more open I am to him being the pick. Poe would still be my #1 choice but if Cox is their guy I could live with that. The only drawback - and this is more in my eyes than it would be the front offices - is he fits their system of quick DTs who can shoot gaps. I'd rather have a beast who collapses the pocket...and more than anything to get rid of the quick/small philosophy on D. Cox is climbing up the draft charts I've seen so I don't even know if he'd drop to the Eagles. Unfortunately it looks like Barron's stock is on the rise as well, I originally had him pegged in the 25-30 range but now it's looking like he might go in the 20-25 range. I doubt they'd trade up for him as it is considering they've taken a safety in the second the last two years but you never know.
My gut feeling on this draft is that it is going to be like the last two, in that the first round will be nothing like we anticipate it to be.
Like last years draft I think the talent has a serious drop after the first 3 rounds hell maybe even two.
Quote from: SD on April 05, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Unfortunately it looks like Barron's stock is on the rise as well, I originally had him pegged in the 25-30 range but now it's looking like he might go in the 20-25 range. I doubt they'd trade up for him as it is considering they've taken a safety in the second the last two years but you never know.
I'd be fine with Barron at 15. I don't get into that whole "you could have got him later" stuff. The way I see it, the purpose of the draft is to get players to help the team, not work the draft board as much as you can. Say the Eagles want Barron. They have 15 and 46. If they don't think he'll be there at 46, then take him at 15 instead of trying to get cute and come up with some plan to trade up or down to still get him. I understand the value of accumulating extra picks and all that, but if there's a guy on the board you really want... take him. Don't overcomplicate things.
Yep, I want Barron.
I am not writing Poe off I am just wary of the workout warriors. Mr Mamula is to thank for that.
Would you rather have a good DT like Poe/Cox at 15 then trade a 3rd and a 2nd and maybe a later pick to move up and select Barron or would you rather just reach for Barron then have 2 2nd rounders to get lesser talent? I like option A better. And I shouldn't have to remind anyone how awful this team is taking players in the 3rd, I have no problem with them shipping one off to move up.
Problem is Barron will probably be gone before they can get back up.
He may go to Dallas at 14
Why would Barron be a reach? If he's considered a 1st round talent, and the Eagles were to use their 1st round pick on him? He would be whatever player he is for them whether he was drafted 3rd, 15th or 28th overall.
I've got no problem with jumping back in the first to get him, or any other top prospect if the opportunity presented itself. My point is that I think people get too caught up in which part of a round a player goes in...using Barron as an example.
Most draft boards I've seen have him going anywhere from pick 20 to falling to the 2nd round. If this draft were rich in safeties he'd be a second round pick. This draft is thin on safeties so he'll probably go higher than expected. Maybe he goes top 15. Dallas needs a safety maybe they take him at 14, he fits their mold of a physical Safety who can play the run but has faults in pass protection. The Jets are a possibility at 16 too I guess. Unless the Eagles have him rated as BPA when their selection comes around I just can't see them selecting a safety with their first round pick, especially since they love taking lineman in the first round. I wouldn't hate him as the pick at 15 but I'd consider it a reach and would rather they target a DT instead.
the following are barrons overall rankings for this draft
scouts inc - 11
nfl post - 15
kiper - 7
mcshay - 14
draftcountdown - 13
somewhere he may be lower but the general consesnus is hes a top 15 overall prospect...things happen due to teams need where players drop and certainly this could happen to barron...but it wouldnt even be close to a reach to take him at 15...he a LEGIT top 15 prospect this year
im not saying it isnt true but could you link the mock drafts that have him going in the second...im legitimately curious to see who they are and if they are well known places...because if theres even a chance of that happening id be all for trading up to get him and still getting the tackle at 15....that would be a dream draft..especially since barron is my number one want at 15...it would be like when they got pimp at 50
Not sure if this was posted....
QuoteAaron Wilson of Profootball.scout.com reports Iowa safety and return specialist Jordan Bernstine has conducted private workouts for the Philadelphia Eagles, San Francisco 49ers and the New England Patriots, according to a league source.
He's also scheduled to visit the Oakland Raiders.
Bernstine ran the 40-yard dash in 4.34 and 4.38 seconds at his campus Pro Day workout.
With 29 NFL teams watching, Bernstine also registered a 41-inch vertical leap, a 10-7 broad jump, a 6.75 in the L-drill, an 11-3 in the long shuttle and bench pressed 225 pounds 18 times.
Anyone but Dion Lewis
Are we sure Jordan Bernstine didn't write this blog and that Aaron Wilson is the Iowa safety?
Talking about returning kicks
It's this part in the game where a guy catches the kick from the opposing team and tries to advance the ball. It's kinda important.
for those into mocks and guessing who the Eagles will pick, heard an interview this evening on Sirius with Ben Jones, center from GA. Played guard in senior bowl though. Said the Eagles went down to see him (pro day?) and are flying him up Sunday for a private work out. Was a Rimington finalist. Don't know, but sounds like he's a mid to late round pick.He said he was 316 but dropped 10-12 pounds to be quicker. If he can go another 10-12 he'd be a lock for a Birds pick. I still say Kelce is the weakest link of the offense though this guy could be a clone.
fireman is easily worse than kelce...i do think kelce is a little overrated because he was a sixth round pick and played so people elevate him to levels he doesnt quite reach but it seemed like the staff espcially mudd absolutely loved the kid
id be surprised if the eagles dont target a few lineman in the middle to late rounds as their depth along the line is pathetic...jones seems exactly like their kind of guy...solid as a rock unathletic...high floor could start pretty much right away...can play g or c so he could push kelce or the fireman
cosell put him on his sleeper list last week
No way Watkins is easily worse than Kelce. Watkins turned into a fairly serviceable starter with some consistency by the end of the year and I think he has a good bit of upside. Kelce was still up and down, even in the last few games. He is athletic and moves well but gets pushed around way too much. He has no leg drive and can't push the pile, and bigger tackles in the middle push him around. Even learning better leverage and technique won't solve this unless he can get a good bit stronger.
so a guy who couldnt get on the field for a quarter of the season and then became at best serviceable in what were essentially preseasons games is better than a guy who started from day one and played well for a rookie at a far more difficult position
admittedly kelce gets overrated by homers as well but this practice of blowing people up to be better than they are just because they might have went from shouldnt be playing in the league to regular every day suck has to stop
if you think the fireman is going to improve to become a solid player or even a pro bowler then fine...but right now he is not nearly as good as kelce and if not for being a number one pick and the fact that they have no depth on the line would go into camp this year competeing for a starting job
Watkins sucked early on, no doubt. But he became much better. He wasn't at best serviceable, he was at best solid, on average serviceable. By the end of the year >> Kelce. And what is this preseason games at the end of the year? Might not have noticed, but they were in the playoff race through the last week.
Watkins played fine after he got his legs under him.
Settle down, Esmerelda.
they were out of it since the seattle game...no one cares about mathematics...not to mention the teams they were playing had mailed it in...i think dallas was the other team worth a shtein and even they are gutless
but by all means if you think the eagles are on the cusp of greatness and the fireman was a wonderful keep drinking the banner inc kool aide...
i mean even in the last two posts you went from fairly servicable to solid...by training camp he will be a future all pro
lol
Some recent drafts I've seen have Cox going top 10, Poe falling, and Brockers being the Eagles pick.
im good with that....brockers is my 1a out of that group but as weve discussed id take any of them
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 06:15:16 PM
they were out of it since the seattle game...no one cares about mathematics...not to mention the teams they were playing had mailed it in...i think dallas was the other team worth a shtein and even they are gutless
but by all means if you think the eagles are on the cusp of greatness and the fireman was a wonderful keep drinking the banner inc kool aide...
i mean even in the last two posts you went from fairly servicable to solid...by training camp he will be a future all pro
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Watkins was serviceable and at times solid. That DEFINITELY = the team is on the cusp of greatness. No doubt.
the cusp of greatness = thinking they were in the playoff race until the end...its the exact spin banner inc puts on it...those last four games were sooooooooo HUGE
oh and kurt coleman is serviceable too
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 07:58:45 PM
im good with that....brockers is my 1a out of that group but as weve discussed id take any of them
Personally I'd go Cox, Poe, Brockers
Since this is the Eagles they probably have em ranked Cox, Brockers, Poe
I wouldn't have a problem with any of them either. We're assuming they're taking a DT, what are the chances they shock us all and take another position? I think Barron goes to Dallas at 14, but since this is the Eagles I can definitely see them taking a hybrid DE/OLB if one falls. Quinton Coples has a chance to fall to them and he's an intriguing prospect.
Um, the Giants were a .500 team after week 15. If they lose their last game, the Eagles would be in. I think that's in a playoff race, but I'll have to check Webster's definition.
yeah and the giants eliminated the eagles before the eagles last game
in banner inc land the last four games meant everything....i understand this...in the real world they were out after seattle....but again this is the diff btwn homers and haters
Quote from: SD on April 13, 2012, 08:15:57 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 07:58:45 PM
im good with that....brockers is my 1a out of that group but as weve discussed id take any of them
Personally I'd go Cox, Poe, Brockers
Since this is the Eagles they probably have em ranked Cox, Brockers, Poe
yeah cox is def the most eagle out of all of them...they llove anyone that can play multiple positions...i like brockers because of his upside and since if you take a DT you are taking a position where you arent hurting for the near future you can afford to work with him for a year or two...but again the difference is miniscule
Watkins sucks. They should cut him.
Mathis sucked too, right?
Anyways sorry to interrupt but the lady who covers the Browns for the Plain-Dealer is reporting that the Rams and Eagles are interested in trading up to #4.
Interesting. For whom??
Blackmon? Kalil? Mo Claiborne?
sd is the mathis hater....altho im not a big fan either...but what makes him so special...because banner inc signed him?....kinda like how when they start 6th rounders it must mean it was a great pick right?
and yes watkins sucks....right now....im not saying he cant be an average nfl starter one day....i mean its really hard to not at least be a decent guard as its the easiest position on the field to play...so if it makes you happy ill say he is probably better than mjg
DeCastro!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 08:26:18 PMbut again this is the diff btwn homers and haters
Are you admitting that you're a hater?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 08:26:18 PM
yeah and the giants eliminated the eagles before the eagles last game
in banner inc land the last four games meant everything....i understand this...in the real world they were out after seattle....but again this is the diff btwn homers and haters
Right, you knew all along the Eagles had no chance
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 13, 2012, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 08:26:18 PMbut again this is the diff btwn homers and haters
Are you admitting that you're a hater?
you think im a homer?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Watkins sucks. They should cut him.
Mathis sucked too, right?
Anyways sorry to interrupt but the lady who covers the Browns for the Plain-Dealer is reporting that the Rams and Eagles are interested in trading up to #4.
Interesting. For whom??
Blackmon? Kalil? Mo Claiborne?
Hard to imagine that. They'd probably have to give their draft and a high pick next year to boot. I wouldn't do that for Luck.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 13, 2012, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 08:26:18 PM
yeah and the giants eliminated the eagles before the eagles last game
in banner inc land the last four games meant everything....i understand this...in the real world they were out after seattle....but again this is the diff btwn homers and haters
Right, you knew all along the Eagles had no chance
what?!!?.....except for the banner inc army......everyone on earth knew they were done after the seattle game
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Interesting. For whom??
Blackmon? Kalil? Mo Claiborne?
its gotta be claiborne....assante is all but gone....drc is a fa after the year and assy is old....a young stud corner is a huge need and you know how much they love the position
plus thats to high for blackmon and kalil is a lock to minny at 3
I would cum in my pants if they got Claiborne!
QuoteTampa Bay cornerback Ronde Barber told WQYK-AM on Friday that the Bucs have their eyes on cornerback Morris Claiborne.
"When I was deciding to come back, I had plenty of meetings with Mark [Dominik], and phone conversations with Mark, they told me they were bringing a guy in [cornerback Eric Wright]," Barber said, via JoeBucsFan.com. "I was like, 'That's good. We need it.'"
When host J.P. Peterson said that the Bucs might draft Claiborne, Barber said, "We probably will."
Barber explained that he doesn't know much about Claiborne. "I haven't watched any film of him," Barber said. "I don't know how he plays or anything. He was actually in our [secondary] room. They did those little unofficial [predraft] visits or whatever. He's a good kid. He looks good. He looks the part. Everybody's high on him."
But there's no way the Eagles trade up to the 3rd pick anyway
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
sd is the mathis hater....altho im not a big fan either...but what makes him so special...because banner inc signed him?....kinda like how when they start 6th rounders it must mean it was a great pick right?
and yes watkins sucks....right now....im not saying he cant be an average nfl starter one day....i mean its really hard to not at least be a decent guard as its the easiest position on the field to play...so if it makes you happy ill say he is probably better than mjg
I grew on Mathis as the season went on, I don't think he's great but he's fine for what they need. He also had the priviledge of playing alongside the best lineman in the game so we'll see how he does this year.
As far as Watkins/Kelce go both players came a long way towards the end of the season. You can't say "the Eagles were out of it"...the bottom line is they got the job done. The slow start was expected for 2 rookies with the lockout and all.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Watkins sucks. They should cut him.
Mathis sucked too, right?
Anyways sorry to interrupt but the lady who covers the Browns for the Plain-Dealer is reporting that the Rams and Eagles are interested in trading up to #4.
Interesting. For whom??
Blackmon? Kalil? Mo Claiborne?
None of the above. If they're really trying to trade up that high it's going to be for Tannehill. They'll let him ride the pine this season while Vick plays, then cut Vick next season and start Tannehill. It's the nightmare scenario I joked around about in the other thread that's going to come true. They'll probably have to sacrifice both 2nds too which is idiotic when these team has so many needs.
My guess is the Rams want Blackmon.
no chance they are trading up to four to get a guy who hasnt even started 20 games in college...well i will never say never with howie but trading up to 8 for tannehill would be stupid....trading up to four would be unspeakably so
cleveland is already at four and isnt going to take the guy....and at that point the earliest he goes is 8...so why the farg would you move to four for a huge questionmark
Quote from: SD on April 13, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 13, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Watkins sucks. They should cut him.
Mathis sucked too, right?
Anyways sorry to interrupt but the lady who covers the Browns for the Plain-Dealer is reporting that the Rams and Eagles are interested in trading up to #4.
Interesting. For whom??
Blackmon? Kalil? Mo Claiborne?
None of the above. If they're really trying to trade up that high it's going to be for Tannehill. They'll let him ride the pine this season while Vick plays, then cut Vick next season and start Tannehill. It's the nightmare scenario I joked around about in the other thread that's going to come true. They'll probably have to sacrifice both 2nds too which is idiotic when these team has so many needs.
My guess is the Rams want Blackmon.
If they trade up that high for Tannehill then they're farging nuts and it would be one of the worst moves in franchise history. He isn't worth it.
I suppose that would finally kill off whatever hope there was for them getting rid of Reid anytime soon.
The more I think about this year's 1st round, the more I don't like what I see for a pick at 15, and the more I like the idea of the Eagles just trading out and picking up a 1st rounder next year and an extra second for now. I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles do this. That or trading down in the 1st would be the other option.
At 15 I don't know if there will be anybody I'd want that's a decent value unless someone drops who is projected to go earlier. I'd be satisfied if Keuchly or Cox drop. Unlike a lot of people I'm not big on getting a DT at 15 (especially Poe or Brockers) though Cox would be ok.
On the other hand there's a bunch of players, at least one of whom might be there at 20 - 25 that I'd be fine with. Brockers, Barron, Floyd, DeCasto, maybe Kirkpatrick would do as well - I realize most of them are projected to go earlier but there's a decent chance one will drop. Every year there's somebody who does. I also wouldn't mind going up to the end of the 1st/early second for Zach Brown which might be a reach, but I'd consider it a value for the Eagles needs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 11:09:18 PM
no chance they are trading up to four to get a guy who hasnt even started 20 games in college...well i will never say never with howie but trading up to 8 for tannehill would be stupid....trading up to four would be unspeakably so
cleveland is already at four and isnt going to take the guy....and at that point the earliest he goes is 8...so why the farg would you move to four for a huge questionmark
It's possible Tannehill goes before the Miami pick and this is the type of bold stupid move the Eagles would make. Who else do they need at 4? Blackmon is probably not happening since they don't need a WR, Claiborne's a no since they already have 3 starting caliber CBs, Richardson isn't an option with Shady, maybe they like Ingram at DE but I doubt they'd trade up to 4 for him. Tannehill is the only player at 4 that makes sense. They need a QB of the future and were obviously interested in RG3 before the Skins traded up for him.
The more I think about this the more I'm praying this is the Eagles throwing Heckert and the Browns a bone by letting them use their name in trade up rumors to help drive up the trade up price for the #4 pick.
Quote from: SD on April 14, 2012, 05:54:07 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2012, 11:09:18 PM
no chance they are trading up to four to get a guy who hasnt even started 20 games in college...well i will never say never with howie but trading up to 8 for tannehill would be stupid....trading up to four would be unspeakably so
cleveland is already at four and isnt going to take the guy....and at that point the earliest he goes is 8...so why the farg would you move to four for a huge questionmark
It's possible Tannehill goes before the Miami pick and this is the type of bold stupid move the Eagles would make. Who else do they need at 4? Blackmon is probably not happening since they don't need a WR, Claiborne's a no since they already have 3 starting caliber CBs, Richardson isn't an option with Shady, maybe they like Ingram at DE but I doubt they'd trade up to 4 for him. Tannehill is the only player at 4 that makes sense. They need a QB of the future and were obviously interested in RG3 before the Skins traded up for him.
i agree tannehill
could go four to cleveland....but thats like a 5% chance...they are taking trent richardson if they stay there
claiborne would be an amazing pick at 4 and makes perfect sense....hes a straight up beast....imo the best player in the draft besides luck...and you have to look just farther than on paper at their cb position....as i mentioned assante is gone on draft day....drc is a free agent after the year and assy is an elder...its similar to taking a DT in the first round...on paper they seem fine at DT but really they need a young DT for the future...
obviously at 15 they dont have to give anything up to get a DT where the cost to move to four would be pretty substantial....id personally do it for claiborne because i want the best player but i can understand not wanting to give up picks for a position they are ok at this year
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/Source-Eagles-unlikely-to-trade-up-for-N?blockID=689188&feedID=704
QuoteMOCK ROUNDUP
Here's a roundup of the latest mock drafts.
SI.com's Peter King, who had the Eagles taking Danny Watkins last year, has them going with North Carolina defensive lineman Quinton Coples this year:
One coach used these words to me about Coples: "Gifted. Sporadic." We're getting to the part of the draft—mid first round—where beauty's in the eye of the beholder, and teams reach for pass rushers who often don't pan out. Philly D-line coach Jim Washburn is as demanding as they come, and Coples will have a chance to make the Eagles more formidable up front.
Steve Wyche of NFL.com has Fletcher Cox lasting to the Eagles' pick:
Cox is flying up draft boards. Adding him to the DT rotation could give Philly a relentless interior front.
Greg Bedard of The Boston Globe has the Eagles taking Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe:
There are a lot of questions about how hard Poe plays. Line coach Jim Washburn worked wonders with Albert Haynesworth, so this should be easier.
Dane Brugler of CBSSports.com has the Birds going with LSU's Michael Brockers:
It's no secret that Andy Reid prefers linemen in the first round, especially defensive linemen, making Michael Brockers a logical choice here. He is an intriguing prospect because he doesn't enter the NFL with a strong resume and is still very much an unpolished player. But the raw athletic ability matched with his large, long frame will be enticing for a defense who can mold the 21-year old into something special.
Rob Rang of CBSSports.com thinks the Eagles might still take Boston College linebacker Luke Kuechly:
No, I didn't forget that the Eagles traded for quality middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans. Perhaps the better question might be if you forgot how poorly Philadelphia's entire linebacking corps fared last season. In proving his athleticism at the Combine (and his jaw-dropping consistency throughout his entire career), Kuechly is earning top 15 grades from some clubs as an outside linebacker, as well as for the inside position. The addition of Ryans and Kuechly would turn what was the Eagles' worst unit into one of the team's greatest strengths.
Chris Steuber of ChrisSteuber.com has the Eagles taking Cox at 15.
Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/417-Eagles-draft-buzz.html#ixzz1sKYGeKuR
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Chris Steuber.
Ha!
Quote from: Rome on April 17, 2012, 04:15:38 PM
Chris Steuber.
Ha!
It's great they just throw him a bone there at the end.
He has the Eagles taking Cox!
I like how they say "of ChrisSteuber.com" like people should know who the farg that hack is.
Any one else intrigued by the Eagles possibly selecting Coples? I know they need to get younger at DT more so than they do at DE but Coples has a high upside and is a different type of DE in that he's a rangy beast with size.
Peter King has the Eagles taking him at 15. I know he's a Reid mouth piece at times so he might be floating that out there to throw other teams off. I would prefer one of Cox/Poe/Brockers but I can't say I'd hate it if they took Coples.
its much more than intrigue....coples is a no brainer at 15....he has overall #1 pick potential
but hes not going to be there
He might drop, I've seen mocks that have him going anywhere from 7-20.
i dont think so....but if he is and they dont take him then blow it all up
The Eagles are sitting at 15 and have their choice of Cox/Poe/Brockers or Cople. Who's your pick?
For me it would be a toss up between Cox and Coples
coples and its not even close...i wouldnt be upset if they traded up to get him
a year ago coples was potentially the number one overall pick in this draft
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2012, 09:48:50 AM
i dont think so....but if he is and they dont take him then blow it all up
They waiting till the second round, drafted Trevor Laws, and still waited some more to draft DeSean.
The time to blow it all up has come and gone, my man.
i guess you cant kill them since they still got pimp but yes taking laws there instead of him was mind boggling
Diddy btw took Coples in their mock at 15.
http://www.csnphilly.com/04/08/12/CSN-Mock-Draft-Pick-15-DE-Quinton-Coples/landing_eagles.html?blockID=685102&feedID=704
Quinton's on his way?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDoV48DFt3k&feature=related
Cox has really been flying up boards if you believe any of the nonsense that gets put out, that could push Coples down. Poe is also a wild card.
Here is a question for - if both are available at 15, do you go Barron or Coples?
Me, I'd go with Barron.
if coples is at 15 (and again he wont be) hed be the steal of the last five or six drafts....theres no way you pass on him for anyone at that point
Quote from: SD on April 18, 2012, 10:02:48 AM
The Eagles are sitting at 15 and have their choice of Cox/Poe/Brockers or Cople. Who's your pick?
For me it would be a toss up between Cox and Coples
Coples, hands down... and I wouldn't even say that DT too much more pressing than DE is. Babin is getting up there and Killa ain't no young buck himself. Who knows how much longer they'll be playing at a high level? Nobody knows shtein about Graham, so you can't really count on him going forward. They could definitely use new talent at DE. The Giants show that there's NEVER too many pass rushers.
I don't expect Coples to be there at #15, but if he was, you gotta take him and give Washburn a new toy.
i go coples out of anyone available other than the top 3-4 guys. i actually had no idea he was falling so far in most mocks because of character issues or whatever. i don't think he's last until 15 but if he does i will squirt.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 18, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
Cox has really been flying up boards if you believe any of the nonsense that gets put out, that could push Coples down. Poe is also a wild card.
Here is a question for - if both are available at 15, do you go Barron or Coples?
Me, I'd go with Barron.
At #15:
Coples > anyone not named Luck, Griffin or Richardson
Quote from: Feva on April 18, 2012, 12:46:22 PM
Quote from: SD on April 18, 2012, 10:02:48 AM
The Eagles are sitting at 15 and have their choice of Cox/Poe/Brockers or Cople. Who's your pick?
For me it would be a toss up between Cox and Coples
Coples, hands down... and I wouldn't even say that DT too much more pressing than DE is. Babin is getting up there and Killa ain't no young buck himself. Who knows how much longer they'll be playing at a high level? Nobody knows shtein about Graham, so you can't really count on him going forward. They could definitely use new talent at DE. The Giants show that there's NEVER too many pass rushers.
I don't expect Coples to be there at #15, but if he was, you gotta take him and give Washburn a new toy.
i dont think DT is more of need at all than DE for the reasons you mentioned....the reason DT is talked about so much more than DE and thus why people identify DT as such a need position is because theres a bunch of tackles that could be there at 15 for the eagles where as the only two ends (ingram and coples) you would ever take that high are both most likely gonna be gone
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 18, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
Cox has really been flying up boards if you believe any of the nonsense that gets put out, that could push Coples down. Poe is also a wild card.
Here is a question for - if both are available at 15, do you go Barron or Coples?
Me, I'd go with Barron.
Coples
1. Because good D-lineman are more valuable than Safety's. 2. Because I still look at Barron as a late 1st early 2nd round pick. If he was the Eagles pick I'd be more than happy because they filled a need but I don't think he's a top 15 talent. That being said he probably goes to Dallas with pick #14.
Cox is looking more and more like he'll go in the top 10 and Poe looks like he's fallen to mid to late first round material.
For the people that are in love with Coples, would you package a 3rd round pick with #15 to move up for him? Usually I might say no but they have 2 extra seconds so the 3rd is a little more expendable.
i def would do that deal...i have zero confidence in howie hitting on a third round pick so id rather make a move for a guy thats a lot harder to whiff on
We usually don't know shtein about who the Eagles are targeting, but I have this feeling they're going to trade up and Cox is their guy...here's some more evidence to support this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/17/report-eagles-would-target-fletcher-cox-over-tannehill/
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The Eagles have shown quite a bit of pre-draft interest in Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill. They worked him out in College Station on April 2, and a recent report from the Cleveland Plain Dealer suggested that the Eagles were interested in trading up in the draft.
According to Tony Pauline of SI.com and TFY Draft Insider, however, the object of Philadelphia's affection in any trade wouldn't be a new quarterback. It'd be Mississippi State defensive tackle Fletcher Cox.
Citing "several sources," Pauline reports that the Cox would be the Eagles' target if they engineered a trade into the top-ten selections. Cox is an up-the-field, pass-rushing interior lineman, and would fit Philadelphia's Wide-Nine defensive scheme.
We projected Cox to the Eagles in our latest online mock draft, and it's believed the team sent defensive line coach Jim Washburn to work out Cox on Mississippi State's campus after the Combine.
One potential top-ten trade partner could be Jacksonville at No. 7 overall. It's no secret that the Jaguars want to trade down in the draft, and the Eagles may have to leap ahead of the pass rusher-needy Dolphins (No. 8) and Panthers (No. 9) in order to secure Cox.
Personally, I would if he's sitting there at 9-10. I don't expect the Eagles would though because I don't think they see it as a real area of need. I think they're content to sit back and see who falls to them, whether it's Cox/Brockers/Poe/Barron or whatever. A 3rd rounder is peanuts to give up to secure a potential player like Coples.
Btw... I met Coples last week when he was in to pre-tape a segment on our show (NFL Live). Holy shtein... look test pass like a motherfarger. That cat is monsterous.
Quote from: Feva on April 18, 2012, 12:59:04 PM
I don't expect the Eagles would though because I don't think they see it as a real area of need. I think they're content to sit back and see who falls to them, whether it's Cox/Brockers/Poe/Barron or whatever. A 3rd rounder is peanuts to give up to secure a potential player like Coples.
i also dont think they do it because of coples boom or bust aspect...he really did shut it down last year and there is a legit concern that a pro contract may be a bad thing for this kid...i personally would still do it for the upside and im a risk taker for talent but you certainly wouldnt rip the eagles for shying away from trading up for him
moving up to get cox makes zero sense to me...i personally would rather have brockers but even if you favor cox why would you trade up to get a guy who in part of arguably the strongest position in the draft....id trade back and get worthy or po po before i moved up for cox
Quote from: Feva on April 18, 2012, 01:03:20 PM
Btw... I met Coples last week when he was in to pre-tape a segment on our show (NFL Live). Holy shtein... look test pass like a motherfarger. That cat is monsterous.
yeah hes a friggin beast
I'm also warming up to the idea of them grabbing a corner if they sit at 15. I don't think they move up at all, sure the third is more expendable, but they need shteinloads of new blood on defense. I think the first three picks are some combination of DT/DE, CB, S.
I still think (or at least hope) that they're gonna spend one (or even better, both) of those 2nds on a LB.
Short, high motor LBs. You know how this works.
Quote from: Feva on April 18, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
I still think that they're gonna spend one (or even more likely, two) of those 2nd day picks on a LB.
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 18, 2012, 01:25:58 PM
Quote from: Feva on April 18, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
I still think that they're gonna spend one (or even more likely, two) of those 2nd day picks on a LB.
Well, yeah... because that's when they're going to have the 2nd round... but point taken.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 18, 2012, 01:19:01 PM
Short, high motor LBs. You know how this works.
4th round - LOCK IT IN
(http://pfw.s3.amazonaws.com/prospects/401512.jpg)
Would anyone be upset if they traded up to take Melvin Ingram?
finally finished up my want list a couple days ago...as i usually do i pick three players per pick...one of which id like to end up with...its to hard to find good video on late round guys so i went with just five players for the three 6th rounders they have
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1a. michael brockers - DT – off the charts measurables and a killer frame...projects as a star down the road but isnt as nfl ready as some others...however that doesn't matter as DT is perfectly set up to take a guy who wont come into his own for a year or two...cox would be equally acceptable here but i love brockers frame and upside
b. mark barron – SS has the biggest gap in the entire draft btwn the first and second best player...they need centerfield fear factor in the worst way and meeko plus this guy would transform the defense from a unit that scared no one to having LEGIT toughness...and toughness where they most need it...up the middle
c. trade back – depending on how things fall i feel like this could be a good option if they have the right buyer for #15
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2a. zach brown - OLB - incredible athlete who i think will be a better pro than college player
b. lavonte david OLB – sideline to sideline playmaker....first round ability imo but undersized which may have him at 46 for the birds...would like to see him compete for the wil spot this summer
c. dwayne allen - TE – good athlete who could play all over the place in the eagles offense to create mismatches
d. stephen hill - WR – I put him here but you would need to trade up to get him...if he drops far enough where the cost isn't to great then go get him...imo hes gonna be a stud and hes someone id rather have than michael floyd
e. janoris jenkins - CB - a little small but can play inside or outside...all nfl type talent if he doesn't act like dick when he gets caked off
f. andre branch -DE – high end body and skills...I think he could produce off the edge especially with washburns tutelage...hes a bit soft so he wouldn't be great against the run just yet but I wouldn't mind throwing him in the mix to create havoc behind the line of scrimmage...very possible some teams would see him only as a 3-4 olb
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3a. brandon boykin - CB – good chance he wont be here and probably should have included him in the second round but im being optimistic....he projects as purely a slot corner so im thinking his limitations caue him to fall a little...hes the slot guy they need
b. sean Spence - OLB – great athlete but undersized...seems like a typical small eagle lb pick but id be on board with this one
c. isaiah pead - RB – great in space and most importantly can pass block and catch...would be a nice back up/supplement to shady
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4a. janzen jackson – FS/CB – great athlete that has personal problems so hard to say where hes gonna go...could drop like a rock but has at least 3rd round talent if not higher
b. cam johnson – DE – another physical specimen that wash can clean up...seems to me he might be better suited as a 5 technique 3-4 man tho...love his potential tho
c. jarius wright – WR – not really a need here but someone I think would be an insane playmaker in a reid offense....move him almost anywhere on the field and dooks gonna make plays...small as shtein
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5a. omar bolden - CB – blew out his knee last year but was one of the top corners in the country....because of the injury its hard to say how far hes gonna fall...id take a chance on him here
b. lucas nix – G – nasty white dood who reminds me of the guard version of jon runyan
c. vontaez perfect - MLB
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6a chigbo anunoby - DT – smashes the look test....hes like 325 pounds but carries his weight like a defensive end
b. nick mondek OL – former DL project that andy loves to work with
c. nigel bradham - OLB – destroys the look test....detsroys opponents...just runs around the field blowing motherfargers up...not very instinctive...would be a dominant special teamer if nothing else
d. mike harris – CB – physical slot guy
e. terrell manning - OLB – athletically gifted so probably going to go in the 4th/5th round but is really small and has had multiple knee injuries so im hoping he falls
Quote from: SD on April 18, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
Would anyone be upset if they traded up to take Melvin Ingram?
ingram is fine but i dont need to trade up for him
I just found out I won't have next Friday off so no draft party Thurs nite.
FML
I would love to see Dwayne Allen in the second he is a beast as a blocker.
Decent read on the draft and the Eagles. The Howie quotes are sure to piss you off:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20120419_Paul_Domowitch__Birds_plan_to_stop_drafting_for_need.html?page=1&c=y
If they truly do that I won't be pissed I will be happy. If they are willing to admit a mistake and actually change that is a good thing. Do I believe it? Not really, but well run businesses do this sort of thing all the time.
Both Mayock and Kirwin yesterday had the Eagles leapfrogging Dallas to get Barron. Kirwin still had Coples on the board and Mayock isn't a Coples fan. Possible I suppose the moving up for Barron was a based on a leaked rumor by the Eagles.
There's no way the Eagles move up for Barron. If they move up it's for D line.
Quote from: SD on April 21, 2012, 05:15:22 AM
There's no way the Eagles move up for Barron. If they move up it's for D line.
im a barron guy (i know youre not) and i would never trade up for him
trading up for a DT would be equally as dumb because of the depth at that position...other than WR i dont think theres a deeper position in this draft
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ESPN and the NFL Network have agreed to not show prospects on the phone in the green room right before they are selected. I think most people often found that practice annoying, spoiling the actual moment when the pick was announced. NFL reporters may still try to "break news" of the pick beforehand, but hopefully, this will allow the suspense to unfold a little bit.
lol @ suspense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2012, 10:19:49 AM
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ESPN and the NFL Network have agreed to not show prospects on the phone in the green room right before they are selected. I think most people often found that practice annoying, spoiling the actual moment when the pick was announced. NFL reporters may still try to "break news" of the pick beforehand, but hopefully, this will allow the suspense to unfold a little bit.
I'm all for this and agree with the sentiment that it ruins the moment of the pick. I don't want to know who a team is picking until it's announced. It's a show and what's the use of making a big presentation about it if camera crews and insiders are telling you the pick minutes before it happens.
That has always driven me nuts. Good change.
That never bothered me, since I just leave the draft on to hear it and not watch it, but it would be nice if they'd shoot all the talking heads that say "They're totally taking Joey Joe-Joe Junior Shabadoo" before anyone even gets to the podium.
Good change - agreed. It was annoying to see (or hear) who the pick is before announced.
Quote from: SD on April 21, 2012, 11:52:07 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2012, 10:19:49 AM
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ESPN and the NFL Network have agreed to not show prospects on the phone in the green room right before they are selected. I think most people often found that practice annoying, spoiling the actual moment when the pick was announced. NFL reporters may still try to "break news" of the pick beforehand, but hopefully, this will allow the suspense to unfold a little bit.
I'm all for this and agree with the sentiment that it ruins the moment of the pick. I don't want to know who a team is picking until it's announced. It's a show and what's the use of making a big presentation about it if camera crews and insiders are telling you the pick minutes before it happens.
hopefully they stop feeding to Berman who the pick will be 30 seconds before it's made too. i notice he's at least cut it down the last year or two, but he had a stretch of 2-3 drafts where he would make some good awful quip before the pick was announced that basically telegraphed who was being selected.
"I think the Eagles will be quite happy to no longer have a Barron wasteland at safety" or something godawful could be expected prior to the pick being announced.
Oh you mean like the time when he starting singing the Lido Shuffle before they picked Lito?
Quote from: SD on April 18, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
Would anyone be upset if they traded up to take Melvin Ingram?
fwiw mcshay (or someone on tv today) said he thinks ingram could plummet on draft day
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2012, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: SD on April 18, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
Would anyone be upset if they traded up to take Melvin Ingram?
fwiw mcshay (or someone on tv today) said he thinks ingram could plummet on draft day
wow, you should like, be an analyst
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 22, 2012, 04:46:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2012, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: SD on April 18, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
Would anyone be upset if they traded up to take Melvin Ingram?
fwiw mcshay (or someone on tv today) said he thinks ingram could plummet on draft day
wow, you should like, be an analyst
come again please?
He said you should be an analyst.
:-D
Flyers off until next weekend...check
Sixers pretty much locked into #8...check
Phillies suck...check
We can pretty much concentrate on the draft all week. I'm hoping for Cox, Brockers, Barron or Poe....no more DEs please!
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Heckert-concedes-draft-mistakes-with-Eagles.html
QuoteHe also told reporters that he carries the lessons learned from mistakes he made with the Eagles, when he said he was influenced by pressure from within the organization and from outside with fans and media to make picks he should not have made.
The two he pointed to are trading up in the first round in 2003 to take Jerome McDougle from Miami with the 15th overall pick. Four years later, the Eagles took Victor Abiamiri in the second round after trading away their first-round pick.
"You just can't panic," Heckert said this week. "I've done it. I've made bad mistakes for that exact reason. I've traded up in the first round for both [pass rusher and defensive tackle] and they were bad moves. It was strictly for a need. It was something we never should have done.
"I am trying to avoid that. That was a long time ago when we did those, but we've learned from it. There's a lot of pressure from media, fans, people in your building, scouts, and it's my job to say, 'Wait a minute. It's not the right thing to do.
"I think that is the hardest thing to convey to the fans. It's not like we don't want those guys -- we want them just as bad as they do -- but we don't want to make a mistake doing it."
He also, though, has the benefit of two secod-round picks who have become Pro Bowlers - in DeSean Jackson and LeSean McCoy.
"I'm not tooting my own horn, but, if you can get those two guys in the second round ...", Heckert said, not finishing the sentence
Ha! The next pick anyone in the Eagles FO makes due to pressure from the fans will be the first...
You know the fans were all over them to draft studs like Matt McCoy, Gocong, Kolb, Abiamiri, Laws and Teo-Neisham
If these guys did listen to pressure from the fans at all, guys like Steven Jackson and Earl Thomas would be Eagles.
that dude has gotten FAT
(http://media.philly.com/images/022712-heckert-400.jpg)
An Andy Reid disciple if ever there was one.
If I lived in Cleveland I'd be so depressed I'd be 3 bills too. Comfort food.
Quote from: SunMo on April 23, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
that dude has gotten FAT
(http://media.philly.com/images/022712-heckert-400.jpg)
Once he got to Ohio, he decided to take the Tommy Boy thing all the way.
(http://mimg.ugo.com/201003/40453/cuts/tommyboy-1_288x288.jpg)
A name that has been getting a lot of chatter recently is Chandler Jones. Supposedly the Eagles could be looking at him as an OLB.
He certainly has an unbelievable pedigree.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 23, 2012, 02:17:12 PM
A name that has been getting a lot of chatter recently is Chandler Jones. Supposedly the Eagles could be looking at him as an OLB.
He certainly has an unbelievable pedigree.
Pass. He's a hybrid they'll probably throw out there at DE. They always take chances on players like this and it never pans out. Would it shock me if they took him? Not in the least, it's the typical 'we're smarter than you' move this front office would make. If they're going LB I'd rather they either went with Kuechly with 15 or Zach Brown in the 2nd.
Today's mock from PFT has the Eagles taking him
Some say he could play a Jason Jones type role. I don't know about the smarter than you pick though. Mayock now has him as the 9th best player in the draft.
Greg Cosell said on twitter this weekend that he doesn't think Coples is a first round talent. I was surprised by that.
I was jus listening to him on NFL radio very impressive. He also said he trains with Jon in the offseason not a bad thing considering he is a world champ and perhaps the biggest freak of nature on the planet.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 23, 2012, 02:17:12 PM
A name that has been getting a lot of chatter recently is Chandler Jones. Supposedly the Eagles could be looking at him as an OLB.
the notion that he could play olb is hilarious...hes almost 270 pounds and lacks speed as an edge rusher much less having to run with a TE...hes an outside rushing DE all the way imo
15 would be insanely high for me...he doesnt have great athletisicm or talent and he didnt produce in college...its one thing to have a huge upside and not have produced like a poe...or to have great production but not be an elite talent but to be neither?...no thanks....not at 15 anyway...i like him a little better but in a lot of ways he reminds me of abiamiri
I am not going to pretend to know enough about him to pass judgement. I do agree 15 seems high.
Quote from: reese125 on April 23, 2012, 11:51:11 AM
If I lived in Cleveland I'd be so depressed I'd be 3 bills too. Comfort food.
Mrs. Heckert needs some comforting.
I don't know anything about football, but I hope to hell they don't take a DE in the first round, because the Eagles don't know anything about pass rushers.
With that said...
Let's talk about the 2003 draft. Good Times!! (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sportsweek/20120420_Sometimes__its_what_comes_after_the_draft_that_counts.html#ixzz1stPvwyDR)
Ugh. I knew/know nothing about college players but I still remember getting excited when the draft got around to the Eagles 2nd round pick and Witten was still there. Really thought they were gonna take him.
(http://blog.timesunion.com/college/files/2011/01/lj2.jpg)
I hope they draft him.
Troy Palomalu. farg.
Quote from: hbionic on April 24, 2012, 04:01:45 AM
Troy Palomalu. farg.
i didnt know pittsburgh traded up for polamalu...
so the two pennsy teams essentially made identical deals to go up and get their man and one came away with a bust and the other a hall of famer...in a nutshell could anything else so perfectly show why they have multiple superbowls and the eagles dont
Yep, remember that day like it was yesterday. I was stuck at work, and they had blocked ESPN. Had just gotten the internet setup on my nextel I-90 and i watched the draft on a colorless screen. All i wanted was Polamalu, but knew that it didnt make sense with Lewis and Dawk. When they picked Mcdougle it seemed like a good pick. Heck, Jamaal Green seemed like a steal.
every year they take a player that we (fans, analysts, Eagles) think is a "steal." I've come to learn that we are always wrong.
i think its a case of fans of all teams overrating and wanting to believe their teams draft picks are all winners
other than pimp and maybe killa i cant remember ever thinking they got a steal....green barely started in college and i didnt even know who he was much less remember people talking about him as a steal?....i remember thinking it was cool they were taking a local guy
the winston justice pick comes to mind as a pick where everybody was like, "OMG they got a 1st rounder in the 2nd round!"
yeah i liked that pick...i LOVED the bunk pick too...and burgess
but i didnt consider any of them steals
to me its hard to get a steal outside of the first round...95% of the time a steal is a guy that is a top five talent and falls 8-10 spots in the first round...sapp was a classic steal imo
once a guy falls to the second round theres usually a reason and the dynamic goes from being positive (oh man hed be a steal) to negative (ewww do we really want him? - how far is he going to fall)...pimp is an obvious exception to the rule
i really want the birds to get that Vandy DE Tim Fugger because that is an amazing name.
I want them to pick an undersized white dude from Iowa with perfect grammar so I can sit back and watch this place melt down into convulsive fits of dementia.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 09:26:27 AM
yeah i liked that pick...i LOVED the bunk pick too...and burgess
but i didnt consider any of them steals
to me its hard to get a steal outside of the first round...95% of the time a steal is a guy that is a top five talent and falls 8-10 spots in the first round...sapp was a classic steal imo
once a guy falls to the second round theres usually a reason and the dynamic goes from being positive (oh man hed be a steal) to negative (ewww do we really want him? - how far is he going to fall)...pimp is an obvious exception to the rule
Oh, how quickly you've forgotten about HOF Ingram.
hell no...id do that pick again a million times over
you wanna take a chance at a HOF'er or you want teonashammy
I guess I should have only quoted the first line of your post. I was really just ribbing you for how much you loved the pick at the time but didn't mention him along with Bunkley.....both of which were picks I thought were going to be real game changers for the Eagles.
i mentioned bunk because i thought he was a player with the talent to go top 5 similar (but not as highly rated) as sapp....and the fact that they got him at 14(?) was in the steal category imo
HOF i no doubt worshipped but more for the hope of what he could become if he stayed healthy as opposed to thinking he was a steal
All i wanted was Ngata when he there at 13. farging eagles figured there wasn't that big a difference between the two players. Ozzie must have done a jedi mind farg on the eagles FO or they just proved how much smarter they were.
i think that had more to do with the type of player nagata was...in their mind he was a 3-4 NT run stuffer take on two guys type...whereas they like the smaller quicker tackles who can get up the field...i wouldnt be suprised if nagata wasnt even on their board
I remember wanting Ngata more than Bunk but I knew the Eagles would take Bunk given the choice JJ always liked the type of guys igy described.
McShay has Keuchly up in the top five now. Seems like names have been shooting up and down in the five to fifteen range.
I've seen a lot of people use the tag 'can't miss' with Keuchly. I'm no expert but that seems like awfully high praise.
He is a lot more athletic than he is given credit for, though as of late taking a LB in the top 10 is risky business.
Keuchly seems like Derrick Johnson all over again
Quote from: rjs246 on April 24, 2012, 12:18:13 PM
I want them to pick an undersized white dude from Iowa with perfect grammar so I can sit back and watch this place melt down into convulsive fits of dementia.
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"Hello rjs246, my name is Coby Fleener and while not from your desired school Iowa I come from an outstanding educational institution in Stanford. I would be honored to fulfill your criteria mentioned above. Go Eagles of Philadelphia!"
cookly will be one of those guys who gets a 100 tackles but doesnt make any plays...the guy who has a 16 tackle game and you ask "today"?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 09:29:56 PM
cookly will be one of those guys who gets a 100 tackles but doesnt make any plays...the guy who has a 16 tackle game and you ask "today"?
I think that depends what kind of defense he is in.
i just dont see the athleticism to do that...doesnt have the burst or speed to get to the qb...doesnt have the lateral ability to come down the line or across the field and smash a rb...doesnt have the power to run thru people and hes a wrap up tackler not a ball dislodger
he makes incredible reads and will always be there and make the tackle...i just dont think hes gonna be on that next level as a game changer...but he easily has the highest floor of anyone in the draft and will be a good player for a long time
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 09:46:27 PM
i just dont see the athleticism to do that...doesnt have the burst or speed to get to the qb...doesnt have the lateral ability to come down the line or across the field and smash a rb...doesnt have the power to run thru people and hes a wrap up tackler not a ball dislodger
he makes incredible reads and will always be there and make the tackle...i just dont think hes gonna be on that next level as a game changer...but he easily has the highest floor of anyone in the draft and will be a good player for a long time
The Eagles don't blitz their LBs anymore and he plays well in space and is a sure tackler...he'd be a perfect fit in their scheme. I wouldn't hate him as the pick but we all know he isn't going to be there at 15 and even if he was they wouldn't select him.
then id say their scheme is the problem...i want my linebackers scaring people and making plays...
cookly would be a fine pick late first or second round....not at 15
i dont want the 15th pick in the draft best attribute to be "a sure tackler"
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
then id say their scheme is the problem...
A modified cover two with a wide 9 and a career O-line coach as the orchestrator...scheme is definitely a problem.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
then id say their scheme is the problem...i want my linebackers scaring people and making plays...
cookly would be a fine pick late first or second round....not at 15
i dont want the 15th pick in the draft best attribute to be "a sure tackler"
Well its not like they have a plethora of sure tacklers on their defense. Personally I don't think Kuechly is what they need because they would have to move him to SAM, he is at his best in the middle. That being said I wouldn't hate the pick.
I would much rather than take a guy like Coples, Poe, or Ingram because they have potential to be game changers.
White.......linebacker......trade up.......never happen.
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Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 24, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
then id say their scheme is the problem...i want my linebackers scaring people and making plays...
cookly would be a fine pick late first or second round....not at 15
i dont want the 15th pick in the draft best attribute to be "a sure tackler"
Well its not like they have a plethora of sure tacklers on their defense. Personally I don't think Kuechly is what they need because they would have to move him to SAM, he is at his best in the middle. That being said I wouldn't hate the pick.
exactly...he would be a lot more palatable in the middle...but again 15 too high...lets say he fell into the 20's which isnt going to happen....but if it did and they traded back got a pick or two and took him i wouldnt hate it either
SD, i've made my selection.
They will be going corner.
Either Gilmore or Kirkpatrick
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2012, 09:20:14 AM
SD, i've made my selection.
Either Gilmore or Kirkpatrick
does not compute
pick one pussssie
I only asked for the position, not the exact player. If he nails it and it's CB then kudos to him. I think CB is a very real possiblity if either Cox or Brockers aren't the selection.
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2012, 09:26:11 AM
I only asked for the position, not the exact player. If he nails it and it's CB then kudos to him. I think CB is a very real possiblity if either Cox or Brockers aren't the selection.
you dont get kudos for predicting a CB, S , DT, DE....they are all equal and a crapshoot
kudos would be for an OL, WR, QB prediction....id even give small props for saying cookly
According to the Eagles mock draft game he'll get two points if they pick a CB
ha
when are you posting yours
Quote from: phattymatty on April 24, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
the more i see everyone fixating and predicting the birds take a DE or DT, i have a feeling they stay there and pick up the best CB on the board, whether it's kirkpatrick or if we're lucky gilmore.
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2012, 09:20:14 AM
SD, i've made my selection.
They will be going corner.
Either Gilmore or Kirkpatrick
BITER
I think they go Gilmore for some reason.
king is intimating that they will not take a DT in the first round because they have a tackle targeted that they believe they can get in the second
he also said they really like mike adams
they will draft a QB....said if tannehill makes it past the dolphins he could see them trading up for him
i will be apoplectic if they trade up for tannehill
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
king is intimating that they will not take a DT in the first round because they have a tackle targeted that they believe they can get in the second
he also said they really like mike adams
they will draft a QB....said if tannehill makes it past the dolphins he could see them trading up for him
Please no on Tannehill. I jokingly said they'd trade up for him a month or so ago because this is the type of shtein they do. Please take him Miami. He's Joey Harrington part deux.
Wonder if the DT is Jerel Worthy. Not saying Eskin doesn't know stuff because he has his head up the f/o's ass, but he's also been known to leak info purposely for the Eagles sake. I can't see them taking an offensive player in round 1 unless someone like Luck/RG3/Kalil/Blackmon fell and it was just too good to be true.
yeah, if Kalil somehow gets to 8 or 9 I'm trying to get up and get him.
Has Eskin ever been right about anything related to Eagles player personnel moves?
Quote from: phattymatty on April 25, 2012, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 24, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
the more i see everyone fixating and predicting the birds take a DE or DT, i have a feeling they stay there and pick up the best CB on the board, whether it's kirkpatrick or if we're lucky gilmore.
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2012, 09:20:14 AM
SD, i've made my selection.
They will be going corner.
Either Gilmore or Kirkpatrick
BITER
Both of youse are biters!
Quote« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2012, 12:17:25 PM »
Want: Barron
Think they pick: Brockers
Darkhorse: trade up for Gilmore
HEY WOULD YOUS GUYS TAKE LUCK IF HE DROPPED TO 15???
Quote from: phattymatty on April 25, 2012, 01:28:36 PM
HEY WOULD YOUS GUYS TAKE LUCK IF HE DROPPED TO 15???
No I'd take Tannehill
Supposedly Burfict failed a drug test at the combine. Is there anything left for him to farg up at this point?
Quote from: PhillyPhanInDC on April 25, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Supposedly Burfict failed a drug test at the combine. Is there anything left for him to farg up at this point?
He'll go to Bal'more and be a stud behind RayRay and Ozzie is a genius /Havas
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
king is intimating that they will not take a DT in the first round because they have a tackle targeted that they believe they can get in the second
he also said they really like mike adams
they will draft a QB....said if tannehill makes it past the dolphins he could see them trading up for him
Gold standard... Trading up for a qb that his college coach passes on....
it always makes me laugh when people predict exact trades in their mock drafts but kiper now has the eagles trading 15 to jacksonville who will then move up and take gilmore
He has them moving up for Cox, btw...
to me 15 in this particular year is the quintessential spot to NOT move up...its almost impossible to mess this draft up at 15 because there are no less than five different guys that would be a good pick there that realistically will be there....and they all are essentially on the same level
i like brockers better than cox...but certainly not enough to trade up for him and you can say the same thing about cox if you happen to like him better....is gilmore worth trading up for when you could get coples for nothing?...or how about moving down a few spots and maybe you get po po and an extra pick
barron is my solid number one want in the first round...but at most i might jump up a couple spots to stop at the same time a division rival who may want him AND fill a huge need...that may be worth dealing for...but otherwise sit back and see who comes to you...if your worst fears are realized when it gets to you at 15 then trade back...but i see no need to trade up this year...and certainly not into the top ten
^ this
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2012, 07:19:15 AM
to me 15 in this particular year is the quintessential spot to NOT move up...its almost impossible to mess this draft up at 15 because there are no less than five different guys that would be a good pick there that realistically will be there....
That's the beauty of being at 15...someone is sure to drop. Let's just hope the Eagles don't farg it up by reaching for a player..."we're smarter than you"
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2012, 07:19:15 AM
to me 15 in this particular year is the quintessential spot to NOT move up...its almost impossible to mess this draft up at 15 because there are no less than five different guys that would be a good pick there that realistically will be there....and they all are essentially on the same level
i like brockers better than cox...but certainly not enough to trade up for him and you can say the same thing about cox if you happen to like him better....is gilmore worth trading up for when you could get coples for nothing?...or how about moving down a few spots and maybe you get po po and an extra pick
barron is my solid number one want in the first round...but at most i might jump up a couple spots to stop at the same time a division rival who may want him AND fill a huge need...that may be worth dealing for...but otherwise sit back and see who comes to you...if your worst fears are realized when it gets to you at 15 then trade back...but i see no need to trade up this year...and certainly not into the top ten
Agreed.
A lot of talk that JAX is looking to get out of the 7 hole. I have a feeling that Howie has been burning up the lines for that pick...
I wouldn't ship a second plus 15 to move up to 7 for Cox if that's what they're thinking. Unless one of Luck/RG3/Kalil/Claiborne falls then stay put at 15 and take BPA.
QuoteBoth NFL Network's Mike Mayock and Michael Lombardi agreed on Path to the Draft Wednesday night that Syracuse DE Chandler Jones is the best defensive player in the 2012 draft.
"I'm gonna make a statement," said Mayock. "Three years from now, I'm gonna say Chandler Jones is the best defensive player to come out of this draft." Chimed in Lombardi, "I think what Mike Mayock said is right. He is the best defensive player in the draft." Mayock recently bumped Jones to No. 9 overall in his top-100 rankings, and to No. 1 among defensive ends. Lombardi went so far as to suggest Jones could be a top-ten pick.
thats insane
but shtein him jumping up into the top ten is outstanding news for the eagles as it bumps everyone else down a notch
Seems like more Tannehill talk is heating up....saw where one reporter said that if he's there at 11 the Eagles may jump.
Please don't draft a farging QB.
And certainly don't trade up for one!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
Seems like more Tannehill talk is heating up....saw where one reporter said that if he's there at 11 the Eagles may jump.
Please don't draft a farging QB, who was a WR.
And certainly don't trade up for one!
its opposite day for Matt Jones
Sal Pal says they're trying to trade up for Cox like Kiper predicted
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
Seems like more Tannehill talk is heating up....saw where one reporter said that if he's there at 11 the Eagles may jump.
Please don't draft a farging QB.
And certainly don't trade up for one!
while im certainly not promoting that move id be excited to have a young hope to be their next franchise qb
its been a long time since weve have had that feeling
i'd have no problem with them taking chandler jones if he's there.
Kirwin has a different view on Chandler Jones. He said yesterday Jones didn't look exceptional on tape and he didn't have particularly good production, and he's best suited as a 3-4 end because he doesn't have a lot of explosion off the ball.
i was just about to say hes a 3-4 guy imo...he needs space to work because hes not gonna get that edge
i think he has a chance to be good as a 3-4 end if he put on 25-30 lbs....but i think its kind of crazy to say he will be the best defensive player in the draft...defensive end maybe
people kill po po for lack of production...but jones who had a measly 10 sacks in four years is the best D player in the draft?
i'll kill someone if they take tannehill. he looks like a colossal bust to me
Quote from: SunMo on April 26, 2012, 01:50:40 PM
i'll kill someone if they take tannehill. he looks like a colossal bust to me
Yep.
Dude was a WR and only played QB for two years.
last ten 15th overall picks
mike pouncey
jason pierre paul
brian cushing
branden albert
lawrence timmons
tye hill
derrick johnson
michael clayton
jerome mcdougle
albert haynesworth
alan page is the only hall of famer to ever be picked 1-15
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2012, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 26, 2012, 01:50:40 PM
i'll kill someone if they take tannehill. he looks like a colossal bust to me
Yep.
Dude was a WR and only played QB for two years.
I doubt your sincerity?
i honestly dont know how people evaluate qb's...how the hell do you know if someone is going to be good....its impossible to me
i don't disagree with that...i thought Stafford wouldn't amount to much when he came out.
just something about Tannehill when i watch him makes me think he won't be much.
im not even talking about tannehill specifically...but just in general...thats why if they took him i would be kinda hyped because we get to watch/follow someone they think is going to be a great young qb for the eagles one day...its the one position where you always have hope that the best possible outcome is going to happen and not a lot of push back from yourself that its not
that being said i want their first three picks to be defense
1. barron/brockers
2. janoris jenkins/lavonte david/zach brown/andre branch
if they can get a three players (hell even two) out of that group i would be out of control
I'd like some Sean Spence in the third/fourth.
i like spence a lot as well...all depends on how the first three picks go...if they go defense like they should then id probably rather have isiah pead or maybe jarious wright in the 3rd
boykin is my number one wish there but thats assuming they dont go corner in rounds 1 or 2
third round has some really good possibilities
I want the first three picks to be some combination of CB/D-Line/LB.
I want the first three picks to be a combination of Good-Great-Steal. Please god!
...and we pray! :evil
Quote from: hbionic on April 26, 2012, 03:01:57 PM
I want the first three picks to be a combination of Good-Great-Steal.
what you should expect: reach - trade back - white reach - over value
Yes, sadly, I've been conditioned to accept that or worse. Worst part is that every year I hope that is the year they will surprise.
But, no, that's just a dream best put into my mental wood-chipper.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2012, 02:24:36 PM
i honestly dont know how people evaluate qb's...how the hell do you know if someone is going to be good....its impossible to me
Considering personnel people can't do it I don't know how a fan could. Hell I thought Joey Harrington should have went number 1.
All these wishes and hopes of good players will result in about 75 "wtf's" spewed all over this board during the draft.
Honestly outside of an olinemen or TE I won't be mad. And as long is there is not a Jon Harris type reach.
when does goodell announce the eagles pick....closest to gets a bassett hound balloon animal and a sea otter sandwich
10:02
9:54
9:42pm
stephon gilmore, 10:17
Only thing that would piss me off is trading up for Tannehill.
I have a feeling it will be Cox.
10:21
I want Barron, Kirkpatrick, Coples, Poe, Brockers, or Cox. And Kuechly wouldn't hurt my feelings.
Reading between the lines of Spads' tweets seem to suggest that a top-10 trade up isn't happening while the 11-14 area will.
8:15 tomorrow night.
The Eagles are going to trade their first to the Rams tonight for their 33rd pick tomorrow and a first in 2013 draft.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
Reading between the lines of Spads' tweets seem to suggest that a top-10 trade up isn't happening while the 11-14 area will.
thats retarded. to trade picks to move up one or two spots. if that team targeted the same guy the eagles want, they wouldn't make the trade anyway.
i don't want a trade...take their highest rated defensive player on the board at 15.
9:58 Chandler Jones
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
Reading between the lines of Spads' tweets seem to suggest that a top-10 trade up isn't happening while the 11-14 area will.
thats retarded. to trade picks to move up one or two spots. if that team targeted the same guy the eagles want, they wouldn't make the trade anyway.
i don't want a trade...take their highest rated defensive player on the board at 15.
The only way I would dig a trade is if they went to 12 and got Barron
15 is a perfect spot to pick because most players there have some perceived issue that caused them to drop out of the top 5-10. When it turns out to be nothing the team who snags him hits the jackpot.
Stay there and pick the best player available.
Or do something crazy like I suggested earlier.
Boom.
so mort is saying cleveland is trading with minnesota to get the 3rd pick.
i don't get it. the vikings are not going to take richardson so what is the point?
Heckert was afraid TB would jump ahead of them
wow, i am dumb. and drunk.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2012, 07:25:26 PM
wow, i am dumb. and drunk.
i am jealous. i have a big meeting tomorrow that my boss set for 9:00 am. i reminded him that the draft was tonight and his response was... "oh, farg! i forgot!"
same here, i'm getting zesty tonight
Same...I moved all day. Now I'm sitting in my new pad getting sauced. Already told my boss I'd be calling out sick tomorrow. He said make sure you get a doctors note because it's a closed day...sure thing.
i left work at approximately 230 to start drinking...now i'm actually at home because no one else could hang.
They have buffets at most strip joints now. And HD too.
SalPal reporting the Eagles are calling the agent for Chandler Jones. He's going to be their pick...watch. "We're smarter than you" pick again. farg.
Are you shocked by this?
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2012, 01:21:45 PM
i'd have no problem with them taking chandler jones if he's there.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 26, 2012, 08:37:52 PM
Are you shocked by this?
Not in the least. I posted that's who they'd probably take because it's a typical Eagles pick. He was my worst case scenario.
Quote from: SD on April 26, 2012, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 26, 2012, 08:37:52 PM
Are you shocked by this?
Not in the least. I posted that's who they'd probably take because it's a typical Eagles pick. He was my worst case scenario.
pretty much
i am sick to my stomach right now
ha... calm down.
God I hope someone drops...I'd rather take a chance on Tannehill then go with Chandler Jones.
Jeff McLane says that Barron was never in play for the Eagles
Chandler Jones?
Not sure I like that
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2012, 08:43:07 PM
Not sure I like that
you dont like his 10 sacks in four years?
derek wolfe of cinncinati is a better pass rusher that you can get in the second round
jesus christ, if they get him, the board may be finished as 3/4's of us drank ourselves to death
worst fears being realized
i'm fine with chandler jones but the fact that you all think this is done means it won't be him.
i'm sticking with gilmore.
i dont think its done....it easily could be a smokescreen to get someone else to jump up for jones...but if theres any truth to it then its not good
Thank GOD. Enjoy Miami
HELLO MS TANNEHILL
Why is Jones all of sudden a top fifteen pick.
because his brother is the baddest man alive.
Workout warrior. There's always that guy who shoots up the draft board from late first early 2nd to Mid first round pick. Teams like the Eagles pick these players to show the rest of the world they're smarter than the other teams. These players never work out.
if Jon Jones could play saftey i'd take him as a walkon
Quote from: SD on April 26, 2012, 08:52:05 PM
Workout warrior. There's always that guy who shoots up the draft board from late first early 2nd to Mid first round pick. Teams like the Eagles pick these players to show the rest of the world they're smarter than the other teams. These players never work out.
was he a workout warrior?....i honestly have never heard that
So they farged up by taking Graham over JPP and will now farg up by taking Jones over the DTS.
i've obviously watched him play a few times, i'm ok with him but more just saying i love him to be a fleshpop. if you try to look up his highlights, the same three sacks show up in every video. and they are not that great.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2012, 08:53:01 PM
Quote from: SD on April 26, 2012, 08:52:05 PM
Workout warrior. There's always that guy who shoots up the draft board from late first early 2nd to Mid first round pick. Teams like the Eagles pick these players to show the rest of the world they're smarter than the other teams. These players never work out.
was he a workout warrior?....i honestly have never heard that
No. It was more a figure of speech. He's tall and has long arms so he has intangibles that teams think makes a player special.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2012, 08:54:52 PM
i've obviously watched him play a few times, i'm ok with him but more just saying i love him to be a fleshpop. if you try to look up his highlights, the same three sacks show up in every video. and they are not that great.
they didnt have many to choose from...and he played in the zesty big east
Maybe Howie is a fan of UFC and wants Bones Jones in his suite at games
GOD DAMN IT
farg Great pick by the bills. KC goes Cox i would think
The Eagles select aids.
Cox has to be the guy now, right?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2012, 09:00:54 PM
Cox has to be the guy now, right?
They might have to trade up because the Chiefs might take him. Predraft it was said the Chiefs liked Brockers but now that Cox has slipped they might take him.
i want kirkpatriock jow.
ha instead of editing that i'm keeping it.
POE. Overratted
trade up for cox
you hear that eagles suck chant? they must have traded.
EAGLES ARE ON THE CLOCK> GIVE ME SOME COX
Fletcher Cox gonna be the guy!
They said they're gonna trade up
COX PLZ
Here we go!
Almost hope it's Jones to see the collective heads explode.
Birds gave up 15th, pick 114, and pick 172 to move up. Please be Cox or Brockers.
im fine with it if its cox or brockers but i still didnt see a need to move up
however if its jones i will completely lose it
Commercial!!!
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2012, 09:05:26 PM
you hear that eagles suck chant? they must have traded.
Caught that right away. I'm in Las Vegas tonight so let's see if I'm getting messed up with joy or heartbreak.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2012, 09:08:12 PM
im fine with it if its cox or brockers but i still didnt see a need to move up
however if its jones i will completely lose it
Same. I'd be fine with Coples or Ingram too.
DO IT
Please be Jones... Please be Jones... Please be Jones...
These fargers go to commercial right before the Eagle pick every year
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 26, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
Commercial!
Typical, and the pick is probably already in when they cut back.
Tannehill!!!
...kidding, of course.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 26, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
These fargers go to commercial right before the Eagle pick every year
CONSPIRACY
Hurry the farg up!
Quote from: Don Ho on April 26, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 26, 2012, 09:08:24 PM
Commercial!
Typical, and the pick is probably already in when they cut back.
Pick was already in as ESPN was going to commercial.
Riley Rieff lets do this!!
Schefter says its Cox.
COX! Chuggie is fapping in the street
We got Cox
Whew. Good.
Boom
Our DLine is sick
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 26, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
COX! Chuggie is fapping in the street
And this time he's not crying.
I like it, what a Dline!
Now let's hope this isn't Bunkley part deux
Everyone likes the pick. How could it possibly go wrong?
even they couldnt farg up the first rounder pick in this years draft altho there was no reason to trade up...
this draft to me will be made or broken by the two second round picks...you were going to get a solid player in round one no matter what...its how they navigate these next two picks
There have been years where they've done worse, and they could have messed this up, no doubt about it. It could have been Tannehill, and people would be slitting their wrists.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2012, 09:25:03 PM
even they couldnt farg up the first rounder pick in this years draft altho there was no reason to trade up...
this draft to me will be made or broken by the two second round picks...you were going to get a solid player in round one no matter what...its how they navigate these next two picks
You were just crying like a flag thinking they were taking Chandler Bing.
Now all they have to do is hit on their 2's and it's a success?
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2012, 09:25:03 PM
even they couldnt farg up the first rounder pick in this years draft altho there was no reason to trade up...
this draft to me will be made or broken by the two second round picks...you were going to get a solid player in round one no matter what...its how they navigate these next two picks
You were just crying like a flag thinking they were taking Chandler Bing.
Now all they have to do is hit on their 2's and it's a success?
i never thought they were taking him....IF they had taken jones it would have been catastrophic....but all along we all knew they were getting one of a handful of players in the first and they got one of them
the two deuces is where its at
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2012, 09:25:03 PM
even they couldnt farg up the first rounder pick in this years draft altho there was no reason to trade up...
this draft to me will be made or broken by the two second round picks...you were going to get a solid player in round one no matter what...its how they navigate these next two picks
You were just crying like a flag thinking they were taking Chandler Bing.
Now all they have to do is hit on their 2's and it's a success?
I agree if they hit on a LB and another player with the 2's I think it would be a successful draft, even if IGY is crestfallen they didn't get Burfect. If the top 3 turn out hitting their potential, the rest of the draft can suck and it still be good.
I agree with SD. farg the 2's. Package them and get back up in there. That way I don't have to watch this shtein tomorrow night.
if theres any way this is possible i agree, i have white house correspondents dinner parties tomorrow.
Its scary how much I have been agreeing with IGY lately.
needless to say, I have errands to run myself so yes please
Hoping for David or Brown with their next pick. And then a corner.
Janoris Jenkins
Zach Brown
LaMichael James
Hook me up, Howie.
Tommy Lawlor made a "funny":
QuoteJenkins would really help Eagles in Puff, Puff, Pass competition, which is lesser known cousin of Punt, Pass, & Kick competition.
apparently the eagles are looking into trading for colt mccoy?
meh.
probably better that than throwing one of these 2nd round picks Cousins way like a lot of people think they will.
So who's the local player pick by Andy? I'm thinking Gino Gradowski from UD in the 6th round
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
apparently the eagles are looking into trading for colt mccoy?
meh.
probably better that than throwing one of these 2nd round picks Cousins way like a lot of people think they will.
Should be able to get him for a 6th or 7th. Agreed with it freeing up tonight's picks for guys who can contribute this year.
I like that idea. I think McCoy has some nice potential in the right system. He was throwing to absolute garbage that couldn't get off the line of scrimmage
Not to mention I'd feel a lot more comfortable with him behind center than friggin Edwards.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
apparently the eagles are looking into trading for colt mccoy?
meh.
probably better that than throwing one of these 2nd round picks Cousins way like a lot of people think they will.
Should be able to get him for a 6th or 7th. Agreed with it freeing up tonight's picks for guys who can contribute this year.
i dont know....they are down to only having (3) picks left in the 6th and 7th rounds
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
apparently the eagles are looking into trading for colt mccoy?
meh.
probably better that than throwing one of these 2nd round picks Cousins way like a lot of people think they will.
Should be able to get him for a 6th or 7th. Agreed with it freeing up tonight's picks for guys who can contribute this year.
i dont know....they are down to only having (3) picks left in the 6th and 7th rounds
Some days I am conflicted as to whether I love you, hate you, agree with you, disagree with you, or just don't care. Today, I both love you and don't care. Odd combo. BFF's?
only if that b stands for Boy
Ha
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
apparently the eagles are looking into trading for colt mccoy?
meh.
probably better that than throwing one of these 2nd round picks Cousins way like a lot of people think they will.
Should be able to get him for a 6th or 7th. Agreed with it freeing up tonight's picks for guys who can contribute this year.
I'd be cool with that. McCoy is anything but spectacular, but he runs a WCO and should be able to provide some solid play for the month that Vick is out of the lineup.
As long as he doesn't have to play in the Steelers game against Harrison again, he's good to go...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 12:59:00 PM
only if that b stands for Boy
IN
Quote from: Feva on April 27, 2012, 01:15:20 PM
As long as he doesn't have to play in the Steelers game against Harrison again, he's good to go...
(http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2011/12/0a6a75b1177079761665422984049a59.jpg)
picture of health
Quote from: Feva on April 27, 2012, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
apparently the eagles are looking into trading for colt mccoy?
meh.
probably better that than throwing one of these 2nd round picks Cousins way like a lot of people think they will.
Should be able to get him for a 6th or 7th. Agreed with it freeing up tonight's picks for guys who can contribute this year.
I'd be cool with that. McCoy is anything but spectacular, but he runs a WCO and should be able to provide some solid play for the month that Vick is out of the lineup.
As long as he doesn't have to play in the Steelers game against Harrison again, he's good to go...
Depends on what they'd have to deal. 6th or 7th, okay.
He's probably going to go back up Aaron Rodgers anyway.
How the farg are the Eagles going to trade for Rodgers?
Darwin Walker and a 5th should seal that one.
Fine. I guess they don't need to draft a starting linebacker that bad.
course the ravens get upshaw.
Looks like Eagles traded #51 to GB
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2012, 08:19:08 PM
Looks like Eagles traded #51 to GB
Sweet it's for Clay Matthews
I doubt your sincerity, Sir.
what was the exact trade
Apparently the Eagles got #59 and the Packers 4th to move up. Not bad.
Move back, pick up the 28th in the 4th.
nice move
so they moved back 8 spots in the second and traded a 6th rounder to move up and get cox
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
nice move
so they moved back 8 spots in the second and traded a 6th rounder to move up and get cox
They got great value for only moving up 8 spots in the 2nd round. Thank you Jerel Worthy for dropping.
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
nice move
so they moved back 8 spots in the second and traded a 6th rounder to move up and get cox
They got great value for only moving up 8 spots in the 2nd round. Thank you Jerel Worthy for dropping.
Teams must have felt he wasn't worthy of a higher pick.
I know it's early and they've only selected two guys but I have to say I like what they've done a lot so far. They addressed two critical needs and picked extremely productive players, and more importantly, athletic specimens.
There's still time for them to enrage me, though, so...
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2012, 08:36:56 PM
I know it's early and they've only selected two guys but I have to say I like what they've done a lot so far. They addressed two critical needs and picked extremely productive players, and more importantly, athletic specimens.
There's still time for them to enrage me, though, so...
Last year was a farging train wreck of a draft, pretty sure I gave it an F and said it was the worst draft since the Kotite years. This year they're flirting with an A. We'll see what they do with the rest of their picks.
BARRY!
B/B- so far
How farging awesome was it to see Barry Sanders?
He might be my favorite non-Eagle ever. He looks like he could still play.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
B/B- so far
yeah but there was basically nothing they could have done to get an A from you.
i don't know squat about Kendricks other than highlight vids and scouting reports, but i'm curious what they could've done to get an A from mr igy.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2012, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
B/B- so far
yeah but there was basically nothing they could have done to get an A from you.
i don't know squat about Kendricks other than highlight vids and scouting reports, but i'm curious what they could've done to get an A from mr igy.
Draft as the Ravens.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2012, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
B/B- so far
yeah but there was basically nothing they could have done to get an A from you.
i don't know squat about Kendricks other than highlight vids and scouting reports, but i'm curious what they could've done to get an A from mr igy.
barron/david would have been an A
cox/jenkins would have been an A
cox/david would have been an A
kendricks made it impossible for them to have an A...and cox i like but he was behind barron as far as who i wanted in the first round...and for that matter brockers altho brockers i understand cause he doesnt fit washes system
David just went to Tampa. shtein.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2012, 08:56:25 PM
David just went to Tampa. shtein.
they werent taking him....they had a choice btwn him and kendricks and they went kendricks
So basically, Havas is now a Bucs fan.
ESPN cuts to commercial before the Eagles pick..........again.
Conspiracy!
Seriously though.......Feva, wtf? You're doing this to piss us off, aren't you?
Just commenting on the fact that he's not gonna be a Bird.
Calm down, sailor.
a lot of people thought they would take Curry. didn't want to see a DE here
they are doing the right thing as far as going all defense thus far....just gotta start hitting on the picks they make
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 09:05:35 PM
they are doing the right thing as far as going all defense thus far....just gotta start hitting on the picks they make
Yeah I love their draft so far but they just need these guys to pan out.
no whites mormons tweeners or spelling bee champs so far
that alone probably bumps my grade to a solid B
SAM and WIL aren't "big" and "small" anymore, kids. If the SAM has to cover a fast, athletic tight end... Guess what that SAM has to be? (Hint: not necessarily big)
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 09:12:54 PM
no whites mormons tweeners or spelling bee champs so far
that alone probably bumps my grade to a solid B
And if they pick up Burfict in the third round?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 09:12:54 PM
no whites mormons tweeners or spelling bee champs so far
that alone probably bumps my grade to a solid B
POTY nominee
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2012, 09:13:17 PM
SAM and WIL aren't "big" and "small" anymore, kids. If the SAM has to cover a fast, athletic tight end... Guess what that SAM has to be? (Hint: not necessarily big)
sam cant be 5-10 either tho....have fun going up and getting the ball against a jimmy graham witten gonzalez fred davis ect.......and when you are 235 you are going to get bodied to death at that spot
Choose your poison. Big and slow guys have much less chance to be successful.
brandon taylor was pretty much it as far as safeties go....i guess their thinking is imporve the front seven and kurt coleman wont be as much of a weak link
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 09:20:55 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 27, 2012, 09:13:17 PM
SAM and WIL aren't "big" and "small" anymore, kids. If the SAM has to cover a fast, athletic tight end... Guess what that SAM has to be? (Hint: not necessarily big)
sam cant be 5-10 either tho....have fun going up and getting the ball against a jimmy graham witten gonzalez fred davis ect.......and when you are 235 you are going to get bodied to death at that spot
SAM isn't just about pass coverage either, he is the one that is more often getting blocked by a TE on the strong side, which is a reason they tend to be bigger.
right...another reason why kendricks cant play that side
my point in pointing out the coverage is that if you ut a 5-10 5-11 235 guy at sam opposing offensive coordinators are going to scheme against your ass all week and expose the hell out of you in the pass game come sunday
god i hope they dont take cousins here...someone take him please
They're going O-line or CB here. I actually wouldn't mind Cousins in the 4th with the Packers pick if he's there.
What did they get for trading back with HOU
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2012, 10:23:10 PM
What did they get for trading back with HOU
Some linebacker named Demeco Ryans or something
Sanu just went, I would have liked him. Eagles have no depth after Avant (unless you're a Riley Cooper guy) and need a redzone receiver or TE. Interior Oline is also in serious need of depth though it doesn't have to be the 3rd round. Agree SD a CB would also be a good idea.
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2012, 10:23:10 PM
What did they get for trading back with HOU
Some linebacker named Demeco Ryans or something
ha thats right...I forgot they swapped
boykin
cam johnson
ty hilton
lamar miller
orson charles
massie
bang one of them and im a really happy camper
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 27, 2012, 10:25:08 PM
Sanu just went, I would have liked him. Eagles have no depth after Avant (unless you're a Riley Cooper guy) and need a redzone receiver or TE.
marvin mcnutt probably in the 4th or 5th would be a good red zone guy to get
i dont want depth behind avant...i want avants replacement
Ike Reese tweeted that they're going QB
Lets see if he's right
Here we go
Nick farging Foles
big boy
brutal
Boooo!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2012, 10:33:16 PM
Ike Reese tweeted that they're going QB
Lets see if he's right
Kudos to Ike
Would have taken a CB or OL here and waited till the 4th to take a QB but whatever I'm not complaining.
There's the bullshtein pick we were all waiting for...
He's not short or Samoan. I'm very disappointed.
Did Cousins and Weeded go yet? I haven't seen. I know Osweiler did.
I don't like the QB pick here. Probably their thinking is they want to develop someone who can come in and hold the fort for a few games for Vick when he gets injured, if they keep him. Same as when they took Kolb to cover for McNabb except Kolb could also be the heir apparent. Obviously they don't think Kafka will be that guy.
you cant take a qb here to be a back up or to spell vick if he gets hurt....thats what FA qb's are for
you have to think he is your future and i believe this is what the eagles thinking is....if that turns out to be the case and foles is a top 10/12 qb in the nfl three or four years from now then awesome pick...but vick is the guy they have bet the superbowl on....so if thats the case why not pick someone there that can help the team this and next year while you are clearly trying to make a run with vick
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 27, 2012, 10:44:43 PM
Did Cousins and Weeded go yet? I haven't seen. I know Osweiler did.
I don't like the QB pick here. Probably their thinking is they want to develop someone who can come in and hold the fort for a few games for Vick when he gets injured, if they keep him. Same as when they took Kolb to cover for McNabb except Kolb could also be the heir apparent. Obviously they don't think Kafka will be that guy.
Weeden went 1st round...Cousins still on the board
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 10:50:15 PM
you cant take a qb here to be a back up or to spell vick if he gets hurt....thats what FA qb's are for
you have to think he is your future and i believe this is what the eagles thinking is....if that turns out to be the case and foles is a top 10/12 qb in the nfl three or four years from now then awesome pick...but vick is the guy they have bet the superbowl on....so if thats the case why not pick someone there that can help the team this and next year while you are clearly trying to make a run with vick
Who was there to help them next year? They have every starter and every backup accounted for at this point.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2012, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 10:50:15 PM
you cant take a qb here to be a back up or to spell vick if he gets hurt....thats what FA qb's are for
you have to think he is your future and i believe this is what the eagles thinking is....if that turns out to be the case and foles is a top 10/12 qb in the nfl three or four years from now then awesome pick...but vick is the guy they have bet the superbowl on....so if thats the case why not pick someone there that can help the team this and next year while you are clearly trying to make a run with vick
Who was there to help them next year? They have every starter and every backup accounted for at this point.
boykin would have immediately upgraded the slot cb position
ty hilton would have added a great weapon in the slot on offense
orson charles is a vernon davis type te that would have created big time match up problems
lamar miller would have been a perfect big play back up to shady
nick foles will be their starter in two three years
to be fair maybe one or more of those guys slips to 123 tomorrow...and if thats the case and they get a guy that can contribute next year at that spot then i will apologize
In their defense is that the Eagles had private workouts with Cousins, Foles, Lindley and Russell Wilson so they got their look at him vs those others.
Quoteyou cant take a qb here to be a back up or to spell vick if he gets hurt....thats what FA qb's are for
I would say you can't take your QB of the future here, that is what 1st or 2nd rounders are for, not 3rd round reaches.
You're suggesting that the WR's available are better options than Avant and I think that's ridiculous.
I do agree with the running back selection, though, but as you've said repeatedly, it's easier to get a backup running back than it is to get a potential QB starter.
They upgraded the DT, LB & DE positions with the first three picks. That's remarkable to me and it deserves props. I wish they did something about the woeful safety position or possibly get a better option than Joselio or Curtis Marsh (LOL) but they had four picks and possibly hit on at least three immediate contributors.
I'll take it.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 27, 2012, 10:59:52 PM
In their defense is that the Eagles had private workouts with Cousins, Foles, Lindley and Russell Wilson so they got their look at him vs those others.
Quoteyou cant take a qb here to be a back up or to spell vick if he gets hurt....thats what FA qb's are for
I would say you can't take your QB of the future here, that is what 1st or 2nd rounders are for, not 3rd round reaches.
qb's crash and burn in every round almost equally so...nick foles has just as good a chance to be a top nfl starter as rgIII....kirk cousins as ryan tannehill...qb is a literal crapshoot and no one knows how to evaluate them
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2012, 11:01:51 PM
You're suggesting that the WR's available are better options than Avant and I think that's ridiculous.
im not suggesting it im saying straight up they can upgrade that position...avant is a solid possesion type wr that would look awesome in the 1980's as a security blanket for joe theisman....in todays nfl with video game offenses you need receivers with YAC...i respect avant to the fullest and his ability to make every catch...but if i see him pull in one more pass over the middle and stop drop and roll im gonna shoot myself...they need someone that can catch and run and make plays over the middle
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 11:04:43 PMnick foles has just as good a chance to be a top nfl starter as rgIII
yeah, alright.
I'm going to bed now.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2012, 11:04:43 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 27, 2012, 10:59:52 PM
In their defense is that the Eagles had private workouts with Cousins, Foles, Lindley and Russell Wilson so they got their look at him vs those others.
Quoteyou cant take a qb here to be a back up or to spell vick if he gets hurt....thats what FA qb's are for
I would say you can't take your QB of the future here, that is what 1st or 2nd rounders are for, not 3rd round reaches.
qb's crash and burn in every round almost equally so...nick foles has just as good a chance to be a top nfl starter as rgIII....kirk cousins as ryan tannehill...qb is a literal crapshoot and no one knows how to evaluate them
Sure, and teams know this and that's why they never draft QBs until the 4th round, because they're smart.
Lol, there was fly eagles fly after the end of the draft followed by a round of boooes.
cox - B+
kendricks - B-
curry - B
foles - D+
overall - C+
whats everyone elses grades thus far
Cox - A
Kendricks - A
Curry - B+
Foles - D
Overall = A-
LOL IGY is the funniest armchair GM ever. You make these threads worthwhile to read.
I'm in the B-/B range
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 27, 2012, 11:30:16 PM
LOL IGY is the funniest armchair GM ever. You make these threads worthwhile to read.
and you are the biggest homer ever (sorry romey)
I'm going with C+½ so far.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2012, 11:30:10 PM
Cox - A (95)
Kendricks - A (95)
Curry - B+ (88)
Foles - D (65)
Overall = A- (343/4 = 85.75 = B)
Overall, that actually averages out to a solid B if you assign number grades.
How am I a homer? I LOATHE this front office. You have to be kidding me.
You're generally more positive than IGY which obviously makes you a homer.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 27, 2012, 11:39:04 PM
How am I a homer? I LOATHE this front office. You have to be kidding me.
dont make me go back and downgrade the kendricks pick now that i know hes gonna be run SAM up at lehigh
I give them a B+ would be an A if not for Foles I love the first three picks.
Im not seeing anything over a C+ at best with this draft
Cox is the only one that gets me semi excited but that could be the first round in me talking. The other picks are so meh its not even funny. I pray for the day this organization gets on a ravens or steelers level evaluating talent
Quote from: reese125 on April 27, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
Im not seeing anything over a C+ at best with this draft
Cox is the only one that gets me semi excited but that could be the first round in me talking. The other picks are so meh its not even funny. I pray for the day this organization gets on a ravens or steelers level evaluating talent
You cannot be serious...
oh im serious
the safest and serious pick was cox. im not thrilled with the others what so ever. if the others pan out ill be happy to eat my words and be the first to admit i was wrong
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2012, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 27, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
Im not seeing anything over a C+ at best with this draft
Cox is the only one that gets me semi excited but that could be the first round in me talking. The other picks are so meh its not even funny. I pray for the day this organization gets on a ravens or steelers level evaluating talent
You cannot be serious...
why is a C+ so bad?
cox way above average
kendricks is a nice choice but they passed on better players for him
curry fits the system nicely but is a one dimensional player without skills that jump out at you
foles was completely unecessary
why the outrage with this take...i have no problem if you wanna lean a little higher...but you are acting like he gave it an F
Quote from: reese125 on April 27, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
oh im serious
the safest and serious pick was cox. im not thrilled with the others what so ever. if the others pan out ill be happy to eat my words and be the first to admit i was wrong
Why aren't you a fan of a fast LB and another DE? Especially when the defense was the Achilles heel?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 27, 2012, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2012, 11:30:10 PM
Cox - A (95)
Kendricks - A (95)
Curry - B+ (88)
Foles - D (65)
Overall = A- (343/4 = 85.75 = B)
Overall, that actually averages out to a solid B if you assign number grades.
If the higher picks are weighted more heavily than an A minus is still possible.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2012, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: reese125 on April 27, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
oh im serious
the safest and serious pick was cox. im not thrilled with the others what so ever. if the others pan out ill be happy to eat my words and be the first to admit i was wrong
Why aren't you a fan of a fast LB and another DE? Especially when the defense was the Achilles heel?
because there were faster bigger better lb's when they chose kendricks
Draft went from A- to "see me after class".
In all seriousness Foles is not that bad. Saw a lot of him this past season as we get a shtein load of PAC 12 games here. I was impressed with his size and thought he actually moved pretty good in the pocket. And yes, it is absolutely 100% correct that he had a horrible surrounding cast on offense.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2012, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: reese125 on April 27, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
oh im serious
the safest and serious pick was cox. im not thrilled with the others what so ever. if the others pan out ill be happy to eat my words and be the first to admit i was wrong
Why aren't you a fan of a fast LB and another DE? Especially when the defense was the Achilles heel?
im perfectly aware of the achilles heel of this defense. we've been down the speedy lb road before and i dont like how it turned out based off the evaluation of the eagles. this team and any team needs players that can shed blocks and power the run game. the eagles organization has been crushing the lb and end position for years and i don expect it stop there with these guys picked.
and considering the way castillo likes to spread guys out I see more of the same with these players attirbutes. consider me jinxed with skepticism.
I already liked kendricks but when I saw how excited Bill Polian got about him that told me something. He has had a knack for drafting small lbs.
he ever played a 5-11 235 dood at sam in a wide nine?
B+
Cox - A
Hard to argue with the pick or the player
Kendricks - B+
A lot to like, but there are concerns about his size and if he can hold up against the run and cover bigger TE's
Curry - C+
What is he, the 4th DE? 5th? Will he play at all this year? Pick may pan out, but it is nothing for 2012
Foles - C-
Whatever. Needed a non-Trent-Edwards backup, but didn't need to spend a 3rd rounder
Overall grade for rounds 1-3: B+
Cox and Kendricks should help the team win now. Good. That said I really am liking each pick less and less. Dammit.
They got rid of Juqua for Brandon Graham to be moved into the rotation so the only real question is can Curry outplay Darryl Tapp and moved into his slot behind Killa.
I can't really disagree with Curry's grade, though. I'm hopeful he'll turn out to be a productive player.
C+ is above average, barely. I should love that they're drafting for value and not need. I guess my issue is that he'll either ride the pine or prove Brandon Graham a useless sack of shtein. The homer side of me was still hoping Graham could make an impact.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2012, 06:49:56 AM
I should love that they're drafting for value and not need.
I think they did both. They needed LB and DL and addressed it with the first 3 picks and didn't do it by reaching or grabbing the project/hybrid guys that infuriate us. The Foles pick is a bit of a head scratcher because I'd have liked to see them go OL....maybe Massie. Hopefully they can get him in the 4th.
Why is everyone so down on the QB pick? Wasn't it pretty much assumed that they'd pick one to start grooming for post-Vick? i know nothing about the guy though other than he seems to be very good size for a QB and isnt very mobile. i highly doubt anyone else they would have taken in the 3rd round would have been an impact player this year. it could have been another chris gocong or daniel teonesishjshshshsim
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 28, 2012, 10:26:59 AM
I'd have liked to see them go OL....maybe Massie. Hopefully they can get him in the 4th.
I was thinking about that too as a BPA. At first I didn't think they had any need, but Herremans and Mathis could always man the guard positions and he'd be great insurance if their tackle depth peters out.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2012, 12:15:49 PM
At first I didn't think they had any need, but Herremans and Mathis could always man the guard positions and he'd be great insurance if their tackle depth peters out.
they have a shteinload of need for OL depth in general
One of the Houston writers down here was saying on radio that Jacoby Jones could be a target for the Eagles to trade for because he's a bigger guy and can return kicks.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2012, 12:21:31 PM
One of the Houston writers down here was saying on radio that Jacoby Jones could be a target for the Eagles to trade for because he's a bigger guy and can return kicks.
marvin mcnutt would be a great big wr to try and get today...and he would fit perfectly underneath cox
Quote from: Munson on April 28, 2012, 10:58:40 AM
Why is everyone so down on the QB pick? Wasn't it pretty much assumed that they'd pick one to start grooming for post-Vick? i know nothing about the guy though other than he seems to be very good size for a QB and isnt very mobile. i highly doubt anyone else they would have taken in the 3rd round would have been an impact player this year. it could have been another chris gocong or daniel teonesishjshshshsim
I don't hate the pick just the position. If they like him because he seems a good WCO with strong arm and good production I'm fine with it. Just seemed like a bit of a reach at that point when there were a number of other needs. Best CB available for example or would have liked to see a move up a few spaces for Sanu.
because you care.....who remains on my want board
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 18, 2012, 02:46:41 PM
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1a. michael brockers - DT – off the charts measurables and a killer frame...projects as a star down the road but isnt as nfl ready as some others...however that doesn't matter as DT is perfectly set up to take a guy who wont come into his own for a year or two...cox would be equally acceptable here but i love brockers frame and upside
b. mark barron – SS has the biggest gap in the entire draft btwn the first and second best player...they need centerfield fear factor in the worst way and meeko plus this guy would transform the defense from a unit that scared no one to having LEGIT toughness...and toughness where they most need it...up the middle
c. trade back – depending on how things fall i feel like this could be a good option if they have the right buyer for #15
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2a. zach brown - OLB - incredible athlete who i think will be a better pro than college player
b. lavonte david OLB – sideline to sideline playmaker....first round ability imo but undersized which may have him at 46 for the birds...would like to see him compete for the wil spot this summer
c. dwayne allen - TE – good athlete who could play all over the place in the eagles offense to create mismatches
d. stephen hill - WR – I put him here but you would need to trade up to get him...if he drops far enough where the cost isn't to great then go get him...imo hes gonna be a stud and hes someone id rather have than michael floyd
e. janoris jenkins - CB - a little small but can play inside or outside...all nfl type talent if he doesn't act like dick when he gets caked off
f. andre branch -DE – high end body and skills...I think he could produce off the edge especially with washburns tutelage...hes a bit soft so he wouldn't be great against the run just yet but I wouldn't mind throwing him in the mix to create havoc behind the line of scrimmage...very possible some teams would see him only as a 3-4 olb
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3[b]a. brandon boykin - CB – good chance he wont be here and probably should have included him in the second round but im being optimistic....he projects as purely a slot corner so im thinking his limitations caue him to fall a little...hes the slot guy they need[/b]
b. sean spence - OLB – great athlete but undersized...seems like a typical small eagle lb pick but id be on board with this one
c. isaiah pead - RB – great in space and most importantly can pass block and catch...would be a nice back up/supplement to shady
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4a. janzen jackson – FS/CB – great athlete that has personal problems so hard to say where hes gonna go...could drop like a rock but has at least 3rd round talent if not higher
b. cam johnson – DE – another physical specimen that wash can clean up...seems to me he might be better suited as a 5 technique 3-4 man tho...love his potential tho
c. jarius wright – WR – not really a need here but someone I think would be an insane playmaker in a reid offense....move him almost anywhere on the field and dooks gonna make plays...small as shtein
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5a. omar bolden - CB – blew out his knee last year but was one of the top corners in the country....because of the injury its hard to say how far hes gonna fall...id take a chance on him here
b. lucas nix – G – nasty white dood who reminds me of the guard version of jon runyan
c. vontaez perfect - MLB
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6a chigbo anunoby - DT – smashes the look test....hes like 325 pounds but carries his weight like a defensive end
b. nick mondek OL – former DL project that andy loves to work with
c. nigel bradham - OLB – destroys the look test....detsroys opponents...just runs around the field blowing motherfargers up...would be a dominant special teamer if nothing else
d. mike harris – CB – physical slot guy
e. terrell manning - OLB – athletically gifted so probably going to go in the 4th/5th round but is really small and has had multiple knee injuries so im hoping he falls
not a fan of brown at all, though i would have preferred david to kendricks probably.
boykin needs to last 10 more picks.
George Iloka or Boykin are who I want with the next one
jarius wright go bye bye
they mistimed the commercial
Boykin time?
crick time
man i wanted wright
there it is BOOM...best pick of the draft
BAM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 01:22:09 PM
there it is BOOM...best pick of the draft
Did you just bump up your grade to a B+-?
LOL, booing before the pick.
Like that Boykin can take a ball out a couple of yards deeper on KR and give a chance for a good return
Awesome
"Brandons on his way, Brandons on his way"[/havas]
so weird when they actually pick someone you want later in the draft
Great pick!
I would have been fine with Boykin at 88 and Foles at 123, so I guess it's a wash.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2012, 01:27:17 PM
I would have been fine with Boykin at 88 and Foles at 123, so I guess it's a wash.
not really cause you could have boykin and any of the following...
ty hilton
lamar miller
massie
joe adams
orson charles
cam johnson
ect...
boykin plus a guy who would potentially start or get on the field for you in the next year or two might have the grade up towards an A
foles is just a wasted pick at 3 and would have been at 4
that said after the complete debacles of the last two years this is more than we could have hoped for from howie
andy reid "cox fits in to jim washburns need for penetration"
why cant andy be like this with the local media and the fans
is anyone watching this
teddy bruschi just said that even tho they have demeco ryans they still drafted mychal kendricks to challenge for that strongside LB spot
QuoteI would have been fine with Boykin at 88 and Foles at 123, so I guess it's a wash.
I'm just saying I'm fine with how it went, regardless of draft position it's the same in the end. I'd make another choice over Foles, but unlike most here I'm a little more positive than negative after reading more about him.
the point tho is that they should have boykin and someone other than foles
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
why cant andy be like this with the local media and the fans
Because most of them are bitter a-holes like Marcus Hayes
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 02:11:23 PM
the point tho is that they should have boykin and someone other than foles
That would be my choice too, but I'm ok with it even if it is suboptimal. Time will tell, but the guy does seem to have a good basic skill set as far as accuracy, strong arm, WCO type play and playing with a crap OLine so who knows?
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2012, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
why cant andy be like this with the local media and the fans
Because most of them are bitter a-holes like Marcus Hayes
waaaaaaaaaaah.......ok spads
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2012, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 02:11:23 PM
the point tho is that they should have boykin and someone other than foles
That would be my choice too, but I'm ok with it even if it is suboptimal. Time will tell, but the guy does seem to have a good basic skill set as far as accuracy, strong arm, WCO type play and playing with a crap OLine so who knows?
im on record as having no idea what qb's will be good or bad but from what ive read the negatives far outweigh the positives with foles
we will see....if he ends up being vicks heir apparent then kudos to andy and howie...but right here right now i think it was a bad selection
I'd rather Foles than Cousins because at least Foles has a decent ceiling whereas I think Cousins will never be anything more than a good backup, but I'd rather have done something like the late round trade for McCoy and used the 3rd rounder on something else. We'll see.
entering the territory where a flier on Burfict is more than warranted. Risk/reward in the 5th round compared to whatever else they can take here is significant.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2012, 02:24:38 PM
entering the territory where a flier on Burfict is more than warranted. Risk/reward in the 5th round compared to whatever else they can take here is significant.
i agree with you but if they do something like that i think its in the 6th as they have two picks there
if they dont OL here then they truly are taking the best player on their board at every spot no matter what
these next two or even three picks are the place where andy gets his OL to mold and fill the lack of depth they have there
dennis kelly, philadelphia eagle - 3 pages
brandon boykin, philadelphia eagle - 1 page
to be fair, he deserved every one of those 3 pages.
Boykin doesn't look like he's been living undergound for the last 10 years...
boykin also doesnt have a tendency to not be able to cover wr's a lot of the time
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
boykin also doesnt have a tendency to not be able to cover wr's a lot of the time
where's the fun and challenge if every player you draft already can accomplish the primary task required of their position?
thats the true definition of "coach em up"
j's boy from texas cyrus gray just went
Yeah I'm a bit salty about that...thought he would be a good fit because he catches the ball so well
Birds on the clock. Anxious to see the encore.
McNutt, I like it, though not as much as grabbing Cox
if the eagles snag burfict here i will smash my head through the television in joy.
that would be fantastic.
Did Burfict rape a child or blow up a care home? I can't believe he's fallen this far. Knew he had some issues but holy hell.
5-4 likes what the Eagles are doing:
"Gotta give #Eagles front office credit. Yah I said it give them credit"
"They addressed much needed positions, instant impact player,LB,QB not to mention DeMeco Ryans = leader"
Quote from: Don Ho on April 28, 2012, 05:01:09 PM
Did Burfict rape a child or blow up a care home? I can't believe he's fallen this far. Knew he had some issues but holy hell.
Even worse...he smoked some weed
He beat up a teammate with a cheap shot in the locker room, had incessant anger management problems and it played out that way on the field with personal fouls galore. Then the drug test failure at the combine.
Did not know about the drug test failure.
Kellen Moore with TimmyChangidis.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 28, 2012, 05:28:43 PM
He beat up a teammate with a cheap shot in the locker room
link?....cause i dont think thats an accurate description of what happened...ive seen it reported as anything from a minor skirmish to an altercation...ive never heard that anyone got beat up with a cheap shot
anyway he has a lot of baggage but by far the worst of it is showing up to the combine fat and out of shape....the other stuff certainly doesnt help...but had he lit up the combine with a great performance he would have been drafted a while ago
I heard it was a fracas.
If he's there at 229, so freaking what. Literally nothing to lose...
apparently the school/players/coach covered it up so it wasn't made to be a bigger deal....but I've read accounts that he waited for another player to walk in after a game and sucker punched him, knocking him out cold. A small WR who he outweighed by like 50 lbs.
you heard wrong
Quote from: General_Failure on April 28, 2012, 05:35:10 PM
I heard it was a fracas.
This is why it is impossible to not love GF. I'm still cracking up from his posts last night.
Well, DE Tim Fugger just went to Indy, ruining my hopes for the Dline. Is Brad Smelley still on the board?
the Burfict story (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/2011/08/07/20110807asu-football-vontaze-burfict-punch-teammate-report.html)
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2012, 05:44:24 PM
Well, DE Tim Fugger just went to Indy, ruining my hopes for the Dline. Is Brad Smelley still on the board?
what about ron tuggnut
he's a jerk
it coming...
here we go perfect....clap clap..clap clap clap...here we go perfect..clap clap..clap clap clap
I'd be real happy with Antonio Allen right now. Wonder why he fell down this far. If they take him here he might already be the best safety on the roster, pretty sad
LOL
left team after 2 games.
ESPN is killing Burfict right now
philadelphia eagles, teddy bruschis draft winners
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 06:45:55 PM
philadelphia eagles, teddy bruschis draft winners
His opinion matters to me less than yours does.
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 28, 2012, 06:55:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 06:45:55 PM
philadelphia eagles, teddy bruschis draft winners
His opinion matters to me less than yours does.
so hes the second best draft expert?
UDFA
janzen jackson
lucas nix
perfect
chigbo anunoby
Jackson went to the Giants
The Eagles got Cliff Harris, the suspended DB from Oregon
May have gotten Chris Polk too, but I saw Seattle originally
EDIT: yup, Polk is ours
That's a nice signing.
Syracuse DB Phillip Thomas switched from the taterskins to the Eagles
Burfict to the Bengals. Obviously
bengals have owned this weekend
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 28, 2012, 08:31:24 PM
Syracuse CB Phillip Thomas switched from the taterskins to the Eagles
btw hes a safety
2 more: Miami TE Chase Ford and Kentucky P Ryan Tydlacka
ford is a huge project and cant block a lick but he is 6-6 and a fluid as hell pass catcher
pretty interesting prospect and exactly the kind of guy you sign as an udfa
Another one: UMass FB/TE Emil Igwenagu
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
That's a nice signing.
Was wondering how/why he fell so far. He was a beast at UW. According to Mayock he had shoulder issues and then a report of a degenerate hip began circulating today.
^^^^^ regarding Chris Polk
Elvis Akpla, Montana State WR
nice catch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox-Xh8hHCW0)
Matt Camilli, UTEP LS
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2012, 07:11:23 PM
UDFA
janzen jackson
lucas nix
perfect
chigbo anunoby
Lucas Nix signs with Raiders
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83189&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR
Tulsa WR Damaris Johnson - another dude who was suspended.
holy shtein hes small
his off the field stuff was insignificant at best
seems like a pure KR...man did he have a lot of yards in college tho
btwn this cat and brown i would not feel comfortable tonight if i was dion lewis
Yeah Dion better be ready to show his shtein as a back because his return days are done. But that's not shocking because he was awful as a returner.
Another one;
Louisiana College WR Darnell Williams
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=113847&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR
not just his return days but his roster days
i still wish they had taken lamar miller instead of foles and we wouldnt even be talking about this....wed be all hyped up about the big play guy they have to compliment shady
I was really looking to those nearly 70 plays all season where he would have been used.
Pretty much...but based on what the beat guys are saying and have been for awhile they're probably going to sign someone off the scrap heap like Addai. Joy.
I am almost just as excited about the UDFAs as I am the draft getting Polk and Harris is great. I think both of those guys have a legit shot to make this squad.
Harris should have been a 2nd rounder. I am glad to see the Eagles adding some real talent during draft weekend and not just a bunch of projects.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2012, 12:20:52 AM
Pretty much...but based on what the beat guys are saying and have been for awhile they're probably going to sign someone off the scrap heap like Addai. Joy.
With the Eagles thinking, they want a vet who is solid in pass pro and they know can catch the ball. It's almost like being able to run well is a secondary consideration. Especially if they can also throw from the wildcat at the 1 yard line.
They signed a Ufda WR from BYU
Andy's happy now.
this is what happens when you draft for talent the mormons dont come until the udfa period
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tmXzUFwfLo&sns=em
Reid talking with Spadaro on Eagles Live right now. Only somewhat more eye-opening than most of his interviews.
More eye opening or throat clearing?
Not much of either, really. Now it's entertaining hearing Dave support Casey Matthews.