I'll start...
Hunter Pence.
An offensive line.
A defensive coordinator.
Linebackers.
Draft picks.
Abraham Nunez.
I'd actually like to keep all 3 and run a lot of nickel unless I'm blown away with an offer for Samuel. He had a really strong year last year, and all 3 of them will compensate for the other defensive deficiencies.
Samuel should net you at least a first though if they're going in that direction I'd expect.
this thread is stupid
Steven Stamkos
DH's stupid mom and Shawn Andrews.
In all seriousness, the Eagles' company line is that they're willing to keep all three. But apparently Howie is blowing it at the presser by dodging questions about starting the season with all three. I would hit it at -400 that Samuel gets traded.
If they can get a linebacker for Asante, I won't miss him.
I hope they get a tiny little running back for him.
Westbrook?
Lorenzo Booker, silly...
Listening to Howie, there's almost 0 chance they keep all 3.
Keep all three.
This thread has the potential to be as good as the "Things more reliable than Winston Justice" thread from some years back.
Speaking as the originator of this thread... Doubtful.
Asante to Zona for a pick and a Beanie Wells? Seen that rumor on a few boards, not sure of the original source.
Why would they trade for Beanie Wells? That makes no sense for what this team does.
I want to see them trade Samuel to dallas.
Quote from: SD on July 29, 2011, 08:58:03 PM
Asante to Zona for a pick and a Beanie Wells? Seen that rumor on a few boards, not sure of the original source.
Hell no. OL, DL, LB.
For Marcus Spears?????? Maybe.
Spears is a FA I believe
Dallas re-signed him tonight
Peter King on this subject:
QuoteWouldn't be surprised to see Samuel dealt, but I was just told by a good source that it's no gimme the Eagles will deal Samuel.
so he will either be traded or he wont?
more awesome reporting going on in the twitter age
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2011, 07:42:42 AM
so he will either be traded or he wont?
more awesome reporting going on in the twitter age
lol
Could King play both sides of the fence anymore. Way to go out on a limb there Peter.
That wasn't from Twitter. It was from this:
http://peterking.si.com/2011/07/29/eagles-make-surprising-splash-by-signing-asomugha-from-jets-cowboys/
doesnt matter what its from...twitter causes all reporting these days to be rushed...thus you get sloppy uninformed nonsense because everyone is trying to be the first instead of be right or informative...
thats why i dont read that shtein
A OL or LB with legit starting pro bowl caliber. I immediately thought they would trade either DRC or Samuel as soon as I heard this. Could they be grooming ASOMUGHA for a future safety position or is he just too good of a CB to even consider this? The whole situation is very interesting to say the least.
Are you farging serious? Of course he won't be moved to safety.
I know Roseman and Banner are detestable but after watching that news conference from yesterday I'm of the mind that the Philly hacks are actually worse.
Pathologically miserable, the lot of 'em.
According to Sal Pal, Asante has asked not to be traded.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 30, 2011, 12:36:02 PM
According to Sal Pal, Asante has asked not to be traded.
That and a buck could get him a double stack at Wendy's.
Listening to the interviews of Reid, Banner, and Roseman every time they are asked about keeping Samuel they never say that they will. They just talk about him being a good football player.
they are clearly trying to flip him but im sure being in the no lose position they are that the price is exhorbitant...if they can steal something for him they definitely will...if not they go into the season with the best set of corners in the history of the nfl
I honestly hope they keep all three. Who cares who starts? I'm glad they got DRC but if it comes down to a choice, he goes and they keep Asante & Nnamdi. And it's not even close.
no way....drc is 25...you def keep him...i dont want two 30+ players at a position like cb
You would rather have DRC than Nnamdi or Asante?
Stop it.
id rather have all three but if i move one its assante...he was nothing special last year...he got his normal picks from playing way off people but he also got picked apart a lot...is he better right this second than drc...yeah
but not enough to make up for being five years older...i also like drc's size...how great is it gonna be to have two 6-2 corners who are also sick athletes
Asante is def the odd man out. However, the only thing they could probably get for him right now is 2012 draft picks. So in that regard, I'd rather see the Eagles keep him this year and trade him before the draft.
Asante was targeted 36 times last year. He picked off 7. 1 out of every 5 passes thrown at him he intercepted. Wouldn't exactly call that picked apart.
Quote from: Feva on July 30, 2011, 03:18:11 PM
Asante was targeted 36 times last year. He picked off 7. 1 out of every 5 passes thrown at him he intercepted. Wouldn't exactly call that picked apart.
i dont buy those stats because they are so subjective...and thus are very often inaccurate
if assante is playing way off the line to try and goad the qb into a throw and doesnt make the play as happened so many times last year the statistician wont say he was "targeted" because he was playing an area and not a man...or if the eagles are in a zone and assante leaves his designated area to try and cheat for a pick elsewhere and a man in his zone ends up getting the ball that wouldnt be a targeted either
probably sounds like im killing the guy and i dont mean to because hes a really good corner...im more pointing out that i dont think the difference btwn him and drc is the grand canyon like a lot of people do...its more like the schuylkill river...and thats one of the reasons id move assante first...age being the main reason and size a factor as well
The Eagles now have arguably the top two (with apologies to Revis) cornerbacks in the league and another Pro Bowler to boot and you want one of them gone.
Is it because you're desperate to have something else to bitch about where it concerns Banner & Co.?
Seriously... unreal.
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
The Eagles now have arguably the top two (with apologies to Revis) cornerbacks in the league and another Pro Bowler to boot and you want one of them gone.
you really have an uncanny ability to not be able to read...it almost qualifies as a super power
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
id rather have all three but if i move one its assante
It's a passing/quarterback league, so I see no reason why we have to trade one of them. However, if the Eagles do feel the need to move one of them, than I'm voting for Asante too... DRC is going to be a stud playing next to Nnamdi.
Quote from: Feva on July 30, 2011, 03:18:11 PM
Asante was targeted 36 times last year. He picked off 7. 1 out of every 5 passes thrown at him he intercepted. Wouldn't exactly call that picked apart.
This. I'm sick of listening to people on WIP/97.5 running out the line that Samuel gave up as many big plays as he made. Dude apparently gave up less than 250 yards against him all year last year. Two years ago I would have agreed with that but last year he was money.
And I agree if one is moved it'll be Samuel but lets not act like he wasn't really good last year.
I hold onto him and if I'm blown out of the water by an offer I move him, especially since it seems like he still wants to be here.
he was good last year just not as good as his stats or accolades would lead you to believe
put it this way hes closer to drc than he is assy but classy
Panthers want him.
hello beason
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 30, 2011, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: Feva on July 30, 2011, 03:18:11 PM
Asante was targeted 36 times last year. He picked off 7. 1 out of every 5 passes thrown at him he intercepted. Wouldn't exactly call that picked apart.
This. I'm sick of listening to people on WIP/97.5 running out the line that Samuel gave up as many big plays as he made. Dude apparently gave up less than 250 yards against him all year last year. Two years ago I would have agreed with that but last year he was money.
That's nice. But the real problem was throwing swing passes behind his receiver, or running his way. The dude can't tackle and hates contact.
Have to admit, that's DRC's MO as well. Not sure about Nnamdi and tackling.
its pretty much the MO of every CB in the league....we were spoiled as eagle fans with having sheldon for so long but the days of those type corners has been over for a while
my problem with assante is not that he doesnt tackle but that he doesnt listen and doesnt go with the system and pretty much does whatever the farg he wants to do on the field
That's okay, it just leaves more tackling for all those safeties and linebackers.
Too bad we don't have any of those, at least none worth mentioning.
I hope they keep all three. It would be dumb to give up Asante.
If they do deal him, do it for a good LB. Maybe David Harris from the Jets?
Giving Rex Ryan sloppy seconds w/ Asante for a decent LB would be pretty awesome.
the eagles arent trading a top CB for a LB....youd have them trading their most prized position for a position they dont care about...just not gonna happen
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2011, 07:53:35 PM
the eagles arent trading a top CB for a LB....youd have them trading their most prized position for a position they dont care about...just not gonna happen
Agreed. Although they could ship him off for a pick then sign a guy like Barnett with the cap space.
My prediction is Asante is an Eagle next season. Season after next he gets moved. Same thing they did with Lito. DRC gets re-signed long term in the offseason.
Clayton suggesting the 49ers could be players in this situation.
Patrick Willis and it's a done deal
Quote from: SD on July 30, 2011, 08:32:48 PM
Patrick Willis and it's a done deal
Second. Although, I hate to admit it, IGY's right. They don't care about LBs.
What in the name of God is going on here?
sd is right...they might address linebacker but they arent going to do it by giving up a top CB
I don't even understand why SF would want a corner. They have Spencer and Clements, and the rest of their defense is in worse shape than the Eagles was 48 hours ago.
clements signed with the bengals
Yeah that'll do it, I had no idea they cut him
hes also ancient and pretty much done
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 30, 2011, 08:43:47 PM
hes also ancient and pretty much done
And they saved, what, like $9MM letting him go.
not sure on that....sounds like a no brainer tho
He was the highest paid corner when he signed that deal, no? I remember it being big money.
Quote from: MMH on July 30, 2011, 08:53:27 PM
He was the highest paid corner when he signed that deal, no?
yeah he was....i see what you are saying by saving money....they wont have to pay him his salary this year....i dont really count that as saving money compared to avoiding a bonus or some shtein....technically it is saving but salaries are not guarateed...a nate clements situation this year is exactly what the owners have fought for in every cba ever negotiated since the beginning of time
Reported to camp today. I say keep all three.
Supporting argument:
QuoteSnap counts for Packers 3 CBs in playoff gm. vs. Eagles: Woodson (66/66), Williams (65/66) and Shields (63/66) (from @profootballfocus).
Asante spoke to press. Said a lot of stuff that makes it sound like he expects to be traded. That is all.
They should keep him for this year unless they get a really good return. As long as he doesn't demand a new contract from a new team, his numbers are fairly reasonable. I don't know that they'd get that much less for him after this season.
keeping all three is a Madden move. in the real world, it doesn't happen unless the team has no other option. Of course, this team has kept three starter-status cbs at once (sheppard/brown/samuel '08?) so maybe they do actually keep all three.
I think the Eagles used the nickel in over 50% of their downs last year and 3 wide sets are more common than all other packages but the 2 WR sets put together iirc. Reid seems to have a strong preference for 3 good corners but just hasn't been able to do that in recent years.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 01, 2011, 10:04:25 PM
keeping all three is a Madden move. in the real world, it doesn't happen unless the team has no other option. Of course, this team has kept three starter-status cbs at once (sheppard/brown/samuel '08?) so maybe they do actually keep all three.
lol @ madden move...the nfl is a spread em wide and throw the ball around the field league...people talk about dallas but these moves are a direct shot across aaron rodgers bow not the cowboys
Unless they upgrade at LB significantly, I expect and hope that they will be playing a proverbial shteinload of nickel.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 02, 2011, 07:46:18 AM
Unless they upgrade at LB significantly, I expect and hope that they will be playing a proverbial shteinload of nickel.
Speaking of this, Reid hasn't ruled out adding another LB:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110802_Eagles_linebackers_thin_on_experience.html
Quote"I kind of like the group in there. I want to give them reps because we drafted these kids," Reid said last week. "I'm not going to tell you that we wouldn't add to that group. At the same time, a couple of those young guys have some talent, it looks like."
Casey Matthews has been getting positive reviews. Guess he worked out with his brother in the offseason.
They are young and athletic at LB, in theory. Wouldn't hurt to add a veteran with some instincts, but others are going elsewhere on the cheap. Can't imagine the point of adding a guy even cheaper than some of the deals we've seen for LB's (Tulloch, Barnett, Lawson) of late. Only thing that makes sense would be to get an absolute stud LB as part of a package in return for Asante. Otherwise, you keep him and make teams beat you the hard way.
Running unimpeded right up the gut is the hard way?
legendary james starks did it the hard way
Quote from: Zanshin on August 02, 2011, 09:46:42 AM
Running unimpeded right up the gut is the hard way?
:-D
Quote from: Zanshin on August 02, 2011, 09:46:42 AM
Running unimpeded right up the gut is the hard way?
Yes. Especially if playing from behind. This is the "new" NFL.
Quote from: Zanshin on August 02, 2011, 09:46:42 AM
Running unimpeded right up the gut is the hard way?
This made me laugh.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 03, 2011, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on August 02, 2011, 09:46:42 AM
Running unimpeded right up the gut is the hard way?
This made me laugh.
So did your own naked reflection.
No, that made me cry.
Quote from: Diomedes on August 01, 2011, 10:04:25 PM
keeping all three is a Madden move. in the real world, it doesn't happen unless the team has no other option. Of course, this team has kept three starter-status cbs at once (sheppard/brown/samuel '08?) so maybe they do actually keep all three.
taylor, vincent, harris as well. why not keep 3? i don't see the point of trading him for the sake of trading unless you can get a great return back for him. it's a passing league. the only thing they should pull the trigger for is a stud LB or OL.
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 01, 2011, 10:14:59 PM
I think the Eagles used the nickel in over 50% of their downs last year and 3 wide sets are more common than all other packages but the 2 WR sets put together iirc. Reid seems to have a strong preference for 3 good corners but just hasn't been able to do that in recent years.
I heard on espn radio, may have been Clayton but they said the Packers ran a shtein load of nickel and 3 CB sets last year. Does help when you have Psycho Matthews causing havoc out there.
The Packers had 3 corners on the field for over 95% of the plays against the Eagles in the playoffs last year, yes.
How odd, considering the Eagles are well known for their punishing run game.
Well, some people are punished by the Eagles' run game. That's for sure.
Morningwood when he accidentally calls a running play?
Mosher:
QuoteJuan Castillo just spent a few minutes discussing formations with Nnamdi+ Asante. maybe an indication that Asante isn't headed out the door.
jesus christ these people are stupid
because even if the eagles might trade him no coaches should talk to him at all...and the minute a word is spoken to him indicates all trade are off
thats an all time twitter poop bomb right there
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 04, 2011, 10:46:08 AM
Mosher:
QuoteJuan Castillo just spent a few minutes discussing formations with Nnamdi+ Asante. maybe an indication that Asante isn't headed out the door.
i was under the impression he doesn't listen to little things like formations and plays anyway..
he listens to them....then does the opposite
Castillo told him to jump routes and he passed out.
Apparently, he got knocked down hard by Kurt Coleman (starting SS!) when both were going for an INT. Then right after he got his breath back, he came back in and got a pick 6 off of Kafka, and high-stepped it all the way into the end zone. That's just Asante being Asante, AMIRIGHT?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 04, 2011, 12:39:56 PM
jesus christ these people are stupid
because even if the eagles might trade him no coaches should talk to him at all...and the minute a word is spoken to him indicates all trade are off
thats an all time twitter poop bomb right there
Geoff Mosher is pretty retarded. Maybe the worst beat guy there
This will shock you: Kafka is Asante's bitch.
per twitter?
If it makes you feel better, Kafka still looks much much better than VY.
it doesnt
Pretty cool that the guy who started all the dream team talk is also supposedly the biggest disappointment in camp.
I'd find a lot of humor in it if he ended up getting cut.
Quote from: FastFreddie on August 07, 2011, 10:08:55 AM
If it makes you feel better, Kafka still looks much much better than VY.
This is true, I just witnessed it first hand. Asante was chatting it up with on the sideline today. Funny guy.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20120325_Eagles_have_Samuel_on_the_trading_block.html
QuotePosted: Sun, Mar. 25, 2012, 1:26 AM
Eagles have Samuel on the trading block
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Jeff McLane, Inquirer Staff Writer
Despite a few potential obstacles, the Eagles will try to trade Asante Samuel before April's draft.
The cornerback is 31 and due to earn $9.5 million next season, so it's unlikely they'll get anything close to what they would have had last August in a near-complete swap with the Detroit Lions.
But don't underestimate the Eagles' negotiating powers. It's one of the front office's strongest traits, although the bartering has had to camouflage systemic failure in the evaluation of draft prospects on defense.
For the third straight year, the Four Horsemen - Jeffrey Lurie, Andy Reid, Joe Banner, and Howie Roseman - arrive at the NFL owners meetings with a stallion to trade.
In 2010, the brain trust showed up in Orlando with a unified stance on the availability of the team's three starting-caliber quarterbacks. The Eagles were "entertaining offers" for Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, and Michael Vick, but the underlying message to interested teams was clear: "Give us your best offer for McNabb."
The following year, it was Kolb's turn to be on the block. Since the Eagles didn't have to worry about Kolb's feelings as they did with McNabb - Kolb wanted out - their objective was to increase bids for the quarterback.
So the party line from Reid, Banner, and Roseman was that there was "a lot of interest in Kolb," even though the lockout forbade business at the time.
The Eagles won't likely publicize their interest in dealing Samuel, who blasted the front office last October when rumors surfaced that he was on the market before the trade deadline. The four-time Pro Bowl corner knew he was dangling as far back as training camp, however.
In fact, he was part of the process after the Eagles and Lions agreed to an exchange that would have netted the Birds two second-day draft picks. That deal, though, fell apart for reasons other than draft compensation.
The Eagles had some leverage then because they had planned to start Nnamdi Asomugha and Samuel at the corners and use Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie primarily in the slot. And that's how they used the threesome for most of the season.
But it was obvious by the end of the season that Rodgers-Cromartie wasn't comfortable inside and that the Eagles' new scheme was better suited to press cover corners such as Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie.
Samuel missed the last two games of the season with an ankle injury, allowing Rodgers-Cromartie to showcase himself outside. He played well. He also has only one year left on a contract that will pay him about $7.5 million less than what Samuel stands to earn.
While it's always possible the Eagles pull off a stunner and trade Rodgers-Cromartie instead, they have backed themselves into a corner when teams approach them about Samuel.
Everyone knew they were committed to trading McNabb and Kolb, but the Eagles still came out ahead. McNabb had a forgettable season in Washington, while the Eagles bagged second- and fourth-round draft picks. Kolb struggled in Arizona last season and the Eagles still have Rodgers-Cromartie and a second-round selection next month.
Despite the difficulties in dealing Samuel, he is a proven corner and one of the best pickoff artists in the game. There will be a market for such a player in today's pass-happy NFL.
Roseman, who has handled most of the Eagles' transactions the last two years, will be sure to use that to his advantage. Since becoming general manager in January 2010, the 36-year-old Roseman has made 25 trades with 15 teams.
Reid, of course, has final say on personnel moves, and perhaps more pull in the direction of the franchise, if a Los Angeles Times report from last week is accurate. Banner is also involved, although his sway over the Eagles could be waning if Reid did indeed win an offseason power play. But it's Roseman who has a particular affinity for big deals.
Last week, the Eagles acquired linebacker DeMeco Ryans for a fourth-round pick and a trade of third-rounders.
"You have known factors in [trades]," Roseman said. "You have guys that have played in the league and so you have a body of work. It's not projecting them to the NFL. . . . It's a lot less risk, so you should probably be more accurate on trades than you should other things."
While the Eagles got the better of the Washington taterskins and Arizona Cardinals, they haven't had as much success in their trades for defensive players. And they wouldn't have had to stretch for linebacker Ernie Sims or defensive end Darryl Tapp had they not been wildly off target in the draft.
Most of the significant players the Eagles have traded for or signed in free agency over the last three offseasons have been on defense, the most prominent being defensive end Jason Babin, defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins, and the aforementioned Asomugha, Rodgers-Cromartie, Sims, Tapp, and Ryans.
Samuel, signed as a free agent in 2008, wasn't homegrown either. So the Eagles' issues with drafting defensive players precedes Roseman's tenure as GM. Still, whatever they get in return for Samuel, odds are it will address the holes on defense.
TRADING PLACES
Since Howie Roseman became general manager in 2010, the Eagles have pulled off a number of trades, some of them blockbusters. A few have benefited the Birds greatly, others have not. Interestingly, all the players the Eagles have received in the most significant deals have been on the defensive side of the ball. Here's a closer look at those trades:
DATE/TEAM EAGLES GAVE UP EAGLES GOT BACK
March 16, 2010/Seahawks DE Chris Clemons, 4th-round pick (DE E.J. Wilson) DE Darryl Tapp
VERDICT: Clemons had back-to-back 11-sack seasons; Tapp has had just 51/2 sacks.
April 2, 2010/Browns CB Sheldon Brown, LB Chris Gocong LB Alex Hall, 4th-round pick (CB Trevard Lindley)
VERDICT: Brown and Gocong have started every game. Lindley was released but is back.
April 4, 2010/taterskins QB Donovan McNabb 2d-round pick (S Nate Allen), *4th-round pick (LB Casey Matthews)
VERDICT:McNabb had one disastrous season in Washington. Allen has been inconsistent, Matthews is still learning.
April 19, 2010/Lions **5th-round pick LB Ernie Sims
VERDICT: Sims became the latest of non-answers at weak-side linebacker.
July 28, 2011/Cardinals QB Kevin Kolb CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, 2d-round pick
VERDICT: Kolb has a concussion problem. DRC will get his chance. Pick comes in April
March 20, 2012/Texans 4th-round pick, swap of 3d-round picks LB DeMeco Ryans
VERDICT: On paper looks like a winner. They don't play football on paper, though.
*Aside from drafting Matthews, the Eagles parlayed the taterskins' 2011 4th-round pick into the 2012 4th-round pick that was used to trade for Ryans.
**Pick was eventually traded to the Chargers, who drafted defensive tackle Cam Thomas.
- Jeff McLane
If he was only worth two second day picks last season he's probably only worth a 5th at most and because of his contract probably only a 6th. I'm guessing they let Bowles have some input into keeping Samuel but I can't see him coming back next season.
Zero chance trading Asante makes this year's team better. Dumb.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 25, 2012, 09:39:38 AM
Zero chance trading Asante makes this year's team better. Dumb.
This.
Keep him and draft his replacement in the second round.
9.5 million McCoy would like to see some of
I don't pay attention to the cap figures, but I have the general impression from hanging around you goddamn idiots that the Eagles have plenty of room to keep Samuel and also extend McCoy.
Money is never an issue with those dicks. If they want someone they always have plenty of dough. If they don't they're tighter than a frog's bunghole.
I rest my case, your honor.
dre kirkpatrick - philadelphia eagle
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2012, 01:14:01 PM
dre kirkpatrick - philadelphia eagle
would love dre -- dude hits like a linebacker. the problem is he gets beat deep sometimes and needs safety help...and the eagles have no safeties.
The Eagles always draft guys with drug arrests on their record.
I believe the charges were dropped.
Yeah, I know. And it wouldn't matter to me even a little bit. But you know how the Eagles are when it comes to the "d" word. Well, other than their head coach, anyway.
if its true that andy got his PP power back from howie combned with andy pretty much having to win this year i think its safe to say that the rules are there are no rules as far as who the eagles take
i will take anyone from bama or lsu's defense with the first pick and be happy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 25, 2012, 07:30:59 PM
if its true that andy got his PP power back from howie combned with andy pretty much having to win this year i think its safe to say that the rules are there are no rules as far as who the eagles take
Well, you can definitely assume that they will focus more on guys who already play at a high level versus "high ceiling" guys - also might see some pick-for-player trades to add some ready veteran depth.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/28/samuel-could-be-shipped-to-titans-soon/
QuotePer Gunn, the Eagles would receive a conditional third-round pick. Which could mean that the pick would come in the 2013 draft based on Samuel's performance in 2012, since the only condition that would apply before the 2012 draft would relate to signing Samuel to a new contract.
If they can get a 3rd for him then job well done.
i cant imagine it would ever actually end up being a third...i bet to get a third the titans would have to make the afc championship game or something that isnt realistically attainable...however if it starts at a third then that means that a 4th is probably realistic and that would be very good
Rumor is it's a 2013 3rd as long as he restructures his deal or re-signs or something like that. If this deal happens, I hope they combine it with their early 2nd and a later pick to move up for Barron.
They can't trade a conditional pick until the results of the condition are known. Freaking awful IMO. If this is make or break for Andy and he has personnel sign-off, he must actually believe the team will be better without Asante. Which means he's going to "goof" again.
thats definitely part of it but assante loves andy and i think he could get him to play...at least as much as assante will actually put forth max effort...
the bigger problem is that none of their three corners can play the slot...so i think andy feels better with joselio in there and move one of the other guys
I recall a stat breakdown somewhere that said Nnamdi was okay in the slot, but he's not exactly the guy you really want in that position.
nm
Jim Wyatt of The Tennessean reports that the Titans' interest is lukewarm at best and adds that there's no way the team would give up a conditional third-round pick for him.
FOX Sports Detroit's Mike O'Hara reports that the Lions departed this week's Owners Meetings with a "buzz" that they remain interested in Asante Samuel after last year's failed attempt to acquire him.
O'Hara is a longtime Lions beat writer, and it should be noted that he called the team's 2011 signing of Justin Durant long before it happened. As O'Hara notes, cornerback remains an area of need in Detroit, so it's reasonable to think the Lions might take another crack at Samuel. The Lions offered two second-day picks for Samuel last summer. He may only cost one this year.
Related: Lions
Source: FOX Sports Detroit Mar 29 - 12:43 PM
Apparently O'Hara has changed his mind
QuoteMarch 29, 2012
Any buzz that the Detroit Lions are interested in pursuing a deal for Philadelphia Eagles cornerback Asante Samuel has been swiftly muted and unplugged.
It apparently rates a zero on the noise meter.
"Not a chance," a league source with knowledge of the Lions' interest said Thursday.
The Lions have been seeking to upgrade the cornerback position since the end of the season, and Samuel's name has been mentioned prominently in potential trade talks.
There also was talk a year ago about Lions general manager Martin Mayhew pursuing a possible trade for Samuel.
Says he wants to stay with the Eagles:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/38110/asante-samuel-says-he-wants-to-stay
QuoteAdam Schefter
Eagles have been shopping CB Asante Samuel in recent days, according to NFL sources around league. Eagles looking to make trade before draft
In my opinion they'll be lucky to get a 4th or a 5th for him. At this point they don't need cap space so I'd be for keeping him unless a good offer comes along. I don want him off this team because I hate his attitude and he tackles like a Hoyda but he's still a decent playmaker and cover corner.
one of the three corners has to go....they need a slot corner and none of them can play that position...can you imagine one of them having to ride the pine behind joselio hanson?...that aint gonna fly
trade assante and draft brandon boykin
assante can prettyy easily be cut as well...his dead money this and next year is fairly low
They could take Gilmore at 15 if he is still there, there has been a lot of talk about him skyrocketing up the board. He certainly can play the slot and had 6-7 sacks and is good in run support.
QuoteThe Broncos apparently like their cornerbacks on the wrong side of 30.
According to Mike Klis the Denver Post, the team tried to trade for cornerback Asante Samuel, the 31-year-old cover man who has become a luxury the Eagles can no longer afford.
Per Klis, the Broncos made two proposals. One would have sent a fifth-round or sixth-round draft pick to Philly, and the other would have sent a player.
The Broncos reportedly believe they can no longer make the trade happen. On March 22, they signed former Saints conerback Tracy Porter (who is merely 25). Last Friday, they cut veteran starter Andre' Goodman, who is 33.
The elder statesman and No. 1 corner for the Broncos is Champ Bailey. He turns 34 in June.
It's widely believed that Samuel would have to reduce the value of the final two years of his contract in order to make a trade happen, given that he's due to earn base salaries of $10 million and $11.5 million, respectively, over the next two seasons. And so he essentially has the ability to veto any trade by saying he won't cut his pay
A 5th or sixth isn't worth it unless they really spend the money on good upgrades.
If they could, they'd be better restructuring his contract to expire tomorrow and take a comp pick.
a 5th or 6th is better than nothing which is what they will get when they cut him
and the money is going to go towards redoing shady and maybe mack
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2012, 12:05:25 PM
a 5th or 6th is better than nothing which is what they will get when they cut him
and the money is going to go towards redoing shady and maybe mack
I doubt they cut him unless his agent lets him know he has two choices being accept a trade and rework your deal or get cut and roll the dice in free agency. For a 5th or a 6th I'd rather they held onto him in case DRC or Nmandi goes down. They have the money to redo Shady/Maclins deal right now so that shouldn't have a bearing on this issue...and even if it was an issue redoing their deals isn't a pressing issue till next offseason
i wont say 100% but hes pretty much cut if they cant trade him...they dont want him even with a reworked deal....they have their outside corners and just need to upgrade the slot which assante cant play...and they want his money off the books to rework those deals i mentioned...assantes salary is almost as much as they currently have under the cap....11 mil under right now and assante make 10.5 this year.....they would love to have that money to work with and they will
Even if all they can do is use him to move up a couple spots in the second round, I'm totally fine with that.
This is just my opinion and you're obviously entitled to disagree with it but the reason they want him off the team has nothing to do with his salary or his play on the field but his attitude is piss poor and he's a prima dona. The whole "I want to remain an Eagle" crap was pathetic...he wants to remain an Eagle because he knows no other team wants to pay him $10 million this year.
i dont think its only about money but i think thats easily the biggest reason they are doing this
i do agree atitude is a part of it but ast on the list imo....yeah he moves to the beat of his own drum on the field but in geenral assante and andy seem to get along great...
i think number one is they dont want to pay a third corner 11 million bucks...not that hes literally a #3 cb but they dont need three outside starting corners at the prices they are paying them
i also think hes aging and this goes in line with their policy and a good one at that of getting rid of guys before they really fall off
additonally with washburn here now they want corners who can press...assante is a space guy and the wide nine relies on the edges getting to the QB real quick and the coners being pressed up on their wr....assante doesnt fit into that equation
if assante could play the slot id give him a better chance of being on the team next year but when you also take that out of the equation and combine it will all the other reasons i listed i just cant see him on the team next year at any price
clayton saying assante to denver for a 5 or 6 sometime this week
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2012, 01:22:59 PM
clayton saying assante to denver for a 5 or 6 sometime this week
meh...they've obviously decided to part ways with him which is fine by me. They were probably going to release him anyway I suppose.
awesome deal for denver if true. still find it hard to believe they can't get more than a fifth though.
why not try to get a 2nd from the taterskins then just burn him deep 20 times next year.
I'm assuming he agreed to renegotiate his deal
clayton said he hasnt yet but obviously that he would have to do that before a trade was made
Problem I have is they are banking on Cromartie who I don't really think is that good to begin with. No doubt Asante had some issues with his play on the field, but I can bet Cromartie will have more problems.
Opposing qb's will not be close to as reluctant throwing to that side of the field now as they did before.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 22, 2012, 02:01:12 PM
awesome deal for denver if true. still find it hard to believe they can't get more than a fifth though.
why not try to get a 2nd from the taterskins then just burn him deep 20 times next year.
football is a different beast
think about this for a second
albert puljos at age 32 gets a guaranteed 240 million over ten years
in hockey a zesty 31 year old goalie gets 9 and 51 mil
and in football a team is hoping they can get a 6th round draft pick for a 31 year old top corner who has to take a huge pay cut for the deal to even happen
Quote from: reese125 on April 22, 2012, 02:10:12 PM
Problem I have is they are banking on Cromartie who I don't really think is that good to begin with. No doubt Asante had some issues with his play on the field, but I can bet Cromartie will have more problems.
Opposing qb's will not be close to as reluctant throwing to that side of the field now as they did before.
no ones scared of assante anymore...he plays off corners like he always has but age has taken away his jump on the ball and thus his play making ability....and thats all he had...when you are a one trick pony and that one trick is a quick hitch that no longer is there because of age you tend to fall off and fall off really effin fast....and thats where we are with assante
Quote from: reese125 on April 22, 2012, 02:10:12 PM
Problem I have is they are banking on Cromartie who I don't really think is that good to begin with. No doubt Asante had some issues with his play on the field, but I can bet Cromartie will have more problems.
Opposing qb's will not be close to as reluctant throwing to that side of the field now as they did before.
DRC played fine when he played outside, when he played inside he was burned because he's not a slot corner. Tall corners traditionally struggle with inside coverage since slot guys are usually the 3rd WR/work the middle of the field/smaller framed types.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2012, 02:13:37 PM
Quote from: reese125 on April 22, 2012, 02:10:12 PM
Problem I have is they are banking on Cromartie who I don't really think is that good to begin with. No doubt Asante had some issues with his play on the field, but I can bet Cromartie will have more problems.
Opposing qb's will not be close to as reluctant throwing to that side of the field now as they did before.
no ones scared of assante anymore...he plays off corners like he always has but age has taken away his jump on the ball and thus his play making ability....and thats all he had...when you are a one trick pony and that one trick is a quick hitch that no longer is there because of age you tend to fall off and fall off really effin fast....and thats where we are with assante
Not according to the numbers. Id have to find it, but Asante was ranked I think number 2 in passes thrown his direction last season.
Im not saying hes not going to fall hard at some point, and maybe it does happen next year but it hasn't happened yet. Difference is (and I can't fault them because they usually are right) the Eagles will always go by their release methods and there is no changing that.
focusing to much on dumb numbers in any sport is foolish but especially so in football
you could see with your plain eyes last year that the guy had lost his jump on the ball and was getting hurt in the deep flat on numerous occasions
remember babin had a million sacks last year too
You don't have to focus--just don't be oblivious to the fact. Qb's didn't throw his direction.
please watch games and stop reading pro football focus
We are all anxiously awaiting your scouting blog Mike. Let's go already.
thats exactly right--a journalist pulled it and put it in his article about corners in the nfl.
but let's catch up later.
quick!!...go check the numbers so you can determine how well assante played last year
quick....push the play and record button at the same time on your VCR and tell us all how many times you "clearly" saw him mess plays up
lol at making fun of someone who actually watches the games and makes a judgment
this is why i always say how sports fans in the internet age drive me so crazy
My main goal this year is to watch 1 Eagles game.
gotta start somewhere...watching more games than dio would be a good place to begin
NFL and NBA are my life son. Take the amateur shtein of not watching games over to Munsons and Hawks house.
stop trying so hard and you might be less douchey....playa
Quote from: reese125 on April 22, 2012, 03:58:43 PM
NFL and NBA are my life son. Take the amateur shtein of not watching games over to Munsons and Hawks house.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 22, 2012, 04:01:21 PM
stop trying so hard and you might be less douchey....playa
After reading these last two pages, I feel I have no life...playerrrrrr.
Supposedly the Falcons are now involved [Schefter is the source]. Rumor floating around it could be Samuel + the Eagles 5th for a 3rd...we'll see.
that would be a real nice deal...theyd have a one two twos and two threes
seems almost too good to be true tho
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 12:51:53 PM
that would be a real nice deal...theyd have a one two twos and two threes
seems almost too good to be true tho
Agreed.
the more i see everyone fixating and predicting the birds take a DE or DT, i have a feeling they stay there and pick up the best CB on the board, whether it's kirkpatrick or if we're lucky gilmore.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 24, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
the more i see everyone fixating and predicting the birds take a DE or DT, i have a feeling they stay there and pick up the best CB on the board, whether it's kirkpatrick or if we're lucky gilmore.
thats certainly more than possible and wouldnt suprise at all....theres no position they value more on that side of the ball
i think it all depends on who is left at 15 and how they rate the players...there arent saying right now we will take the best corner available but if they have kirkpatrick rated higher than the DT or ends that are on the board then they will take him
it would not suprise me in the least if they trade back...15 seems liek a spot that is going to have five or six players they could take...so maybe they trade back with a team who is in love with someone whos there at 15 while the eagles still like 3-4 guys equally as well
Quote from: phattymatty on April 24, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
the more i see everyone fixating and predicting the birds take a DE or DT, i have a feeling they stay there and pick up the best CB on the board, whether it's kirkpatrick or if we're lucky gilmore.
I had the same thought last night. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they took a corner at 15. The fans and media are usually way off base with what they're taking. Did anyone think they'd take Watkins/Graham/Maclin/Kolb etc? The only year we had any clue was when they took Bunkley [and he fell] and Justice in the 2nd. Other than that we're all in the dark.
lol Kolb. :-D
Quote from: SD on April 24, 2012, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 24, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
the more i see everyone fixating and predicting the birds take a DE or DT, i have a feeling they stay there and pick up the best CB on the board, whether it's kirkpatrick or if we're lucky gilmore.
I had the same thought last night. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they took a corner at 15. The fans and media are usually way off base with what they're taking. Did anyone think they'd take Watkins/Graham/Maclin/Kolb etc? The only year we had any clue was when they took Bunkley [and he fell] and Justice in the 2nd. Other than that we're all in the dark.
thats why i never try and predict what they
will do....i just go with what i
hope they do in each round
as two time champ of the Eagles mock contest, let me say that it's not hard to figure out what they will do
Quote from: SunMo on April 24, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
as two time champ of the Eagles mock contest, let me say that it's not hard to figure out what they will do
Enlighten us. You don't even have to call the player, just the position.
Quote from: SunMo on April 24, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
as two time champ of the Eagles mock contest, let me say that it's not hard to figure out what they will do
one is more than zero
Quote from: SD on April 24, 2012, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 24, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
as two time champ of the Eagles mock contest, let me say that it's not hard to figure out what they will do
Enlighten us. You don't even have to call the player, just the position.
i'll have my pick for you come Thursday. i'm still doing research.
ive never done it but to win that contest you theroretically dont need to get a single pick correct do you?....much less the first rounder...you just have to finish with one more point than second place
i'm obviously farging around, but yeah. i think i won one year because i predicted their 3rd round pick on the button.
another year i won because i picked the correct position in 2 rounds or something like that
what is it...position player round?...i thought there was one other thing to predict as well no?
i just remember trying to do it one year and literally almost losing my mind trying to come up with the list...it was so hard
I liked the mock 1st round draft better than I did the mock Eagles Draft. But the Eagles one you got something like 10 points for correct player at their selection, 5 points for the correct player but wrong pick...or if you said they were going to pick a certain player but they wound up taking him in round 2, 2 points for the correct position or something like that.
I stopped doing it a few seasons ago when I went back to work full time, but if anyone wants to run it I'll send you my mock which I'll whip up here in a few minutes.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 24, 2012, 02:20:08 PM
what is it...position player round?...i thought there was one other thing to predict as well no?
i just remember trying to do it one year and literally almost losing my mind trying to come up with the list...it was so hard
Took this from one of the old mock draft threads:
Quote from: MURPScoring is as follows:
Correct draft slot, correct player = 10 pts
Correct player, Wrong draft slot = 6 pts
Wrong player, correct position = 2 pts
Eskin's one of the biggest douchebags on the planet but he has his head up Reid/Banner/Roseman's ass so this report is probably legit. I'm going to laugh if someone overpays for Samuel. When I say overpay I mean the Eagles somehow wind up with a 3rd and only have to sacrifice a late pick like a 5th.
QuoteHoward Eskin @howardeskin
Its close to a" stone cold mortal lock" that eagles CB Asante Samuel will be traded to Atlanta before draft. Its hot between 2 teams now!
Quote from: SD on April 24, 2012, 07:22:22 PM
Eskin's one of the biggest douchebags on the planet but he has his head up Reid/Banner/Roseman's ass so this report is probably legit. I'm going to laugh if someone overpays for Samuel. When I say overpay I mean the Eagles somehow wind up with a 3rd and only have to sacrifice a late pick like a 5th.
QuoteHoward Eskin @howardeskin
Its close to a" stone cold mortal lock" that eagles CB Asante Samuel will be traded to Atlanta before draft. Its hot between 2 teams now!
when did eskin say that?
I would think the lock is more dirt warm immortal since Brent Grimes signed his franchise tender today and is set to make more than Asante this year, while Dunta Robinson signed a big 6 year deal in 2010. Maybe king was played to put pressure on Grimes signing the tender if it was yesterdays post? Obviously no way Atl pays 3 CBs 8 - 10+ million. Even if Asante restructures, he won't be losing money.
He reported it on Twitter and so did Schefter, and that was AFTER Grimes signed his tender
Doesn't make sense to me, even after Robinson restructured his contract last month. Unless of course they do the right thing and take a ball peen hammer to Robinson's knees a few times, resulting in a non-football injury. If not, somebody needs to take him out when they play in Oct.
Maybe they let Grimes go after the year and keep his 10 million salary for '12.
who cares what the falcons are going to pay each corner---the position is highly coveted now a days considering whats going on around the league
from everything Im hearing they are very close to trading for asante
plus they face eli - peyton - harrington - rivers - newton x 2 - brees x 2 - vick - romo this year
assante back to philly october 28
Realizing, of course, that they don't want to pay the dude, I'd still rather have Samuel for another year over whatever stiff they take with the late round pick they'll get for him.
harrington is going to destroy them.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 25, 2012, 08:44:29 AM
Realizing, of course, that they don't want to pay the dude, I'd still rather have Samuel for another year over whatever stiff they take with the late round pick they'll get for him.
not in the slot you wouldnt...joselio is the only guy who can play the slot...well brandon hughes and lindley are slot guys but dont appear to be nfl regulars
money is a big thing here but its far from the only thing....they have three starting corners and only two outside spots available...one gotta go
No, not in the slot. But as an insurance policy. Hey, it's not my money.
They're saying the Eagles will only get a 6th round pick and only IF Samuel restructures his deal. Awful move.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 25, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
No, not in the slot. But as an insurance policy. Hey, it's not my money.
thats definitely a fair point...but if hes not starting why have him around
i personally think it would be addition by subtraction because he doesnt give a shtein about the team or winning
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Samuel_to_Falcons_close_to_done.html
6th rounder for him is an AWFUL move, wtf?
Quote from: FastFreddie on April 25, 2012, 09:22:37 AM
They're saying the Eagles will only get a 6th round pick and only IF Samuel restructures his deal. Awful move.
Agreed. I'd keep him if they're only getting a 6th. Hate the guy but as mentioned he's a good insurance policy. Sit him on the bench and pay him, money shouldn't be the issue.
A 6th rounder for Asante is bullshtein. That's a terrible deal.
And they'd better take it before it gets worse.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2012, 09:26:37 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on April 25, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
No, not in the slot. But as an insurance policy. Hey, it's not my money.
thats definitely a fair point...but if hes not starting why have him around
i personally think it would be addition by subtraction because he doesnt give a shtein about the team or winning
This is the point, does anybody really think Asante would be the good soldier and be an insurance policy?
i dont think hes a good soldier when hes starting
Haha agreed he is one of the more selfish players in the NFL.
yeah asante only cares about assante...is his prime when hes getting you 9 picks maybe you can overlook it (altho new england didnt) but at this stage of his career id have no second thoughts about jettisoning him
Atlanta just gave him an extra 3/$18.5M. huh
he worked out a new deal.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 25, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
Atlanta just re did his deal gave him an extra 3/$18.5M. huh
Ed what are you reading?
QuoteThe trade of Asante Samuel from Philadelphia to Atlanta was already close, and now it's a big step closer, as Samuel has agreed to a new contract with the Falcons.
The new contract is a three-year, $18.5 million deal, NFL Network's Albert Breer reports. Samuel was scheduled to make about $10 million this season and about $11.5 million next season, so $18.5 million over three years represents a significant pay cut compared to what he was scheduled to make over the next two years. But the reality is that if Samuel hadn't been traded he would have been released, so he wouldn't have earned his base salaries with the Eagles.
It's not known yet what the Falcons gave up to acquire Samuel, but it was likely a late-round draft pick. The Eagles made no secret of the fact that they wanted to deal Samuel and weren't going to hold out for a lot in compensation.
Between the Samuel trade and Brent Grimes signing his franchise tender on Tuesday, the Falcons now have two good veteran cornerbacks under contract. And the Eagles, who also have two good veteran cornerbacks even after this trade, have an expensive player who didn't fit their long-term plans off their books.
how can specific deals of a contract be out but not the round of the draft pick that was traded
jerks
Pretty sure it's a 6th as reported
6th plus roddy white is what i'm hearing
Quote from: SD on April 25, 2012, 02:03:38 PM
Pretty sure it's a 6th as reported
i dont want to be pretty sure i want to know what it is
i still dont get how that information has not been officially released
this pisses me off...a lot
Sorry, didn't see the rest of his deal was reworked.
Quote from: SunMo on April 25, 2012, 02:04:27 PM
6th plus roddy white is what i'm hearing
Just heard Vick + Asante for Matty Ice and a 6th
haha, that would be worth the laughs alone
stuff your sorry's in a sack, mister
OUR tackling just got better with the subtraction of Samuel. Clean house, get rid of the bullshtein, and play tough football. Something I haven't seen in years.
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2012, 02:15:20 PM
OUR tackling just got better with the subtraction of Samuel. Clean house, get rid of the bullshtein, and play tough football. Something I haven't seen in years.
Hmm guy dissenting management gets sent his walking papers, regardless of logic, based on emotions of FO who were hurt by his comments. Seen it before. Just not on beloved Offense. If you play Defense you better stay in-line.
7th rounder.... Haha.
Equal in value to a 2nd round pick last year.
That 7th rounder will wind up being one of the starting safeties or LBs at some point this year.
Quote from: Dillen on April 25, 2012, 05:59:11 PM
That 7th rounder will wind up being one of the starting safeties or LBs at some point this year.
I posted almost the exact same comment on FB.
It would actually be funnier if it wasn't true.
He had the 8th lowest completion percentage and 2nd lowest QB rating when QB's threw his way last year....his 'bad' play is significantly overblown
Quote from: Munson on April 25, 2012, 10:36:23 PM
He had the 8th lowest completion percentage and 2nd lowest QB rating when QB's threw his way last year....his 'bad' play is significantly overblown
It's really a catch 22
wow, someone doesn't like asante
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20120426_Marcus_Hayes__In_Samuel_trade__Birds_toss_a_no-hitter.html?viewAll=y
Stopped reading as soon as he started mocking the dude's name. Did Asante impregnate Hayes' daughter or something? Jesus.
Probably called Hayes an uncle tom
holy shtein what a butt hurt cowardly POS hack hayes is...vendetta piece that was written right after assante clowned him in the locker room a few years ago but dook didnt have the guts to publish until 22 was out of town
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2012, 09:14:13 AM
wow, someone doesn't like asante
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20120426_Marcus_Hayes__In_Samuel_trade__Birds_toss_a_no-hitter.html?viewAll=y
lol That is an example of a media member being offended at the way he was with them. A few of the beat guys said that Samuel had a "10 percent rule" in which he only talked to the media 10% of the time and less if they created drama. He told the ATL media yesterday that the Philly media was "dramafied".
Good to see that salty ass Marcus Hayes pulled off girls field hockey to write a column.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2012, 09:22:14 AM
Stopped reading as soon as he started mocking the dude's name. Did Asante impregnate Hayes' daughter or something? Jesus.
Worse. Bent Hayes over and gave him "the Joselio" sans lube.
That's a pointless article right there.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/Reid-explains-reasons-behind-Samuel-trad?blockID=699205&feedID=692
QuoteReid explains reasons behind Samuel trade
April 29, 2012, 5:06 pm
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Why trade Asante Samuel? Late Saturday night, Andy Reid spoke for the first time about the Samuel trade and about the Eagles' new-look secondary, which he believes won't be as "limited" as the Eagles have been in the past.
Reid said he understands why fans were upset that the Eagles not only traded Samuel, a four-time Pro Bowl cornerback, but also received only a seventh-round pick in return.
"I completely understand our fans," Reid said. "He was one of my favorite guys. He was a good football player. But this is the name of the game in the National Football League. There's going to be change that takes place."
And one of those changes was unloading Samuel, who had 25 interceptions in four years in Philly. A day before the draft, after nearly a year of trade speculation, the Eagles shipped Samuel to the Falcons for a seventh-round pick.
The moves allows the Eagles to move Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie from the slot, where he struggled last year, to Samuel's left outside corner spot. With Nnamdi Asomugha and DRC, the Eagles have two corners who can play press coverage or play off the receiver. Samuel was exclusively an off corner, and he had great success at it -- 52 interceptions and nine TDs worth.
But the Eagles believe they can be a sounder defense with Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie manning the two outside spots and a true nickel corner inside.
"We try to exploit everybody's strength as players," Reid said. "Asante's best stuff was off and outside. And that's what we tried to do the years that he was here. With that, you're a bit limited. Listen, his production was great. He's a good player. These guys, you can do different things with, and we'll see how their production works out."
Rodgers-Cromartie, who the Eagles acquired from the Cards in the Kevin Kolb trade, didn't play well until he moved outside the last couple games of the season, which Samuel missed with a hamstring injury.
But in his first three seasons, all with Arizona, DRC had 13 interceptions and four touchdown returns. He's one of only 14 players in NFL history with four INT returns for touchdowns in his first four NFL seasons.
Reid said there was no one overwhelming reason the Eagles traded Samuel. Among the factors that went into the decision to unload one of the most productive cornerbacks of his generation were the Eagles' depth at the position, Samuel's high salary and the ability for the projected starters, Asomugha and DRC, to be more versatile.
"A whole lot of things go into it," he said. "We've got enough corners where we can do this. ... You've got a cap situation you've got to work with, looking about the future, and you've got to put all this together.
"It's a little bit of a puzzle. The fans don't necessarily have to do that, and I'm not asking them to do it. I want them to be fans. And I understand. I'm with them. I get it. We've got to make it all fit together and make it work."
One remaining unanswered question is this: Who plays the slot next year?
Joselio Hanson is back, and he's a capable, experienced slot. Reid said the Eagles are considering working last year's third-round pick, Curtis Marsh, into the mix in the slot as well. And fourth-round pick Brandon Boykin, a guy many experts projected as a second-round pick, played a lot of slot at Georgia. There's also Brandon Hughes, who's spent time the last couple years on the Eagles' 53-man roster.
Marsh is kind of the wild card in the cornerback mix. He didn't get a lot of chances to play last year, but when he did, he wasn't too bad. Especially considering he had no off-season as a rookie.
Reid remains high on Marsh, who will most likely end up being the top outside backup, with Hanson, Boykin or Hughes manning the slot.
"He has the ability," Reid said. "He loves to press. He's big and strong. He loves the game. Normally, you have to talk guys into doing that [press coverage]. Between him, DRC and Nnamdi, they like getting right up there, taking their size and trying to lock a guy down."
Reid revealed Saturday evening while chatting with a group of beat writers that one consideration in where to ship Samuel was Samuel's own family situation.
"You make the calls and you try to work it, and at the same time, he's a veteran player, he's had good years for us, so you want to get him in a direction closer to home, which he needed, because of his family," Reid said.
"He has some kids and his mom, she's up there a little bit, his sister, and he wanted to play in Atlanta. So we checked with Atlanta and we checked all over the league, and that's really the best we could do.
"There weren't a whole lot of teams, to be honest with you, that were interested."
E-mail Reuben Frank at rfrank@comcastsportsnet.com
Curtis Marsh is a bum. Never mention him again.
hater
Guilty.
I am very excited to see Cliff Harris. Awesome FA signing.
(http://www.goducks.com/pics31/640/WB/WBGCDTTSMXXUHGF.20100909020838.jpg)
my god hes rail thin in that picture
Yeah he's a stick figure. I liked him at Oregon and think he has a shot to stick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2012, 07:10:41 PM
my god hes rail thin in that picture
Yeah, but he looks so fassssstttt....
He was listed as 5-10 180 the last year he played. 180 is a bit generous.
Makes me remember the fun times with Todd Pinkston.